| 00:00.22 | jordanm | Doxin: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
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| 00:01.57 | Doxin | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/317545/ |
| 00:02.04 | Doxin | this stretching is making me go cross-eyed |
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| 00:04.58 | Doxin | jordanm: any idea yet? |
| 00:05.16 | jordanm | Doxin: I would give the proprietary ATI drivers a try |
| 00:05.44 | jordanm | Doxin: it looks like it tried to load the open source ones but did a fallback to vesa (generic), which usually has limitations on things such as resolution |
| 00:05.47 | Doxin | jordanm: that breaks gl for some reason. makes glxinfo segfault |
| 00:05.49 | jordanm | !tell Doxin about ati |
| 00:05.56 | Doxin | oh jesus graphical glitches happened just now |
| 00:05.58 | Doxin | scary |
| 00:06.09 | Xip | What software do you use to make backups in Debian? |
| 00:06.10 | jordanm | Doxin: the fglrx drivers? |
| 00:06.16 | Doxin | jordanm: yes. |
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| 00:06.41 | jordanm | Doxin: ah, there is a good chance your off state is improper uninstallation of the proprietary drivers |
| 00:06.48 | Doxin | okay |
| 00:06.57 | Doxin | uagh the glitches got worse |
| 00:07.02 | Doxin | they are now moving |
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| 00:07.05 | jordanm | Doxin: how did you install/uninstall? |
| 00:07.41 | Doxin | I purged fglrx and some misc related packages, and reinstalled xorg-core, and told xorg to reconfigure |
| 00:07.47 | maazu | jordanm: messing around with gfx drivers could result in a bash prompt only environment the next time you reboot |
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| 00:08.20 | jordanm | maazu: which is about as useful as a desktop system using vesa drivers |
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| 00:08.35 | maazu | jordanm: agree |
| 00:08.56 | linuxthefish | how can i fix "E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate" please? |
| 00:09.00 | linuxthefish | i've enabled nonfree |
| 00:09.21 | Doxin | jordanm: so got any next steps for me? I really don't give a hoot which driver I use, as long as I can run minecraft :P |
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| 00:10.00 | Doxin | it seems the color blue has gone into hyperspace... |
| 00:10.05 | jordanm | Doxin: does this return anything? grep -E 'blacklist.*kms' /etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 00:10.18 | Doxin | jordanm: nope. |
| 00:10.22 | maazu | linuxthefish: try alternative to flashplugin, "lightspark" |
| 00:10.24 | jordanm | Doxin: the free drivers should be fine for minecraft, that's mostly RAM/CPU taxing, not graphics |
| 00:10.32 | Doxin | you'd be surprised |
| 00:10.41 | jordanm | Doxin: does /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf exist? |
| 00:10.55 | Doxin | jordanm: nope |
| 00:11.07 | mtn | linuxthefish, did you run update after turning on nonfree? |
| 00:11.15 | maazu | !lightspark |
| 00:11.15 | dpkg | Lightspark is an experimental, high-performance <Flash> player and browser plugin, aiming to support newer formats and the AVM2 virtual machine. The Mozilla browser plugin is packaged for Debian 7 "Wheezy" as browser-plugin-lightspark. http://lightspark.github.io/ #lightspark on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:11.17 | jordanm | Doxin: grep -E 'blacklist.*radeon' /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 00:11.30 | Doxin | jordanm: /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf:blacklist radeonfb |
| 00:11.49 | jordanm | ,file /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf |
| 00:11.54 | judd | Search for /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf in jessie/amd64: udev: etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf |
| 00:12.02 | somiaj | linuxthefish: it is non-free and did you run apt-get update after you modified your sources.list |
| 00:12.15 | linuxthefish | yeah somiaj |
| 00:12.32 | Doxin | jordanm: /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf: ASCII text |
| 00:12.37 | jordanm | ,file radeon-kms.conf |
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| 00:12.41 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 00:12.46 | jordanm | Doxin: sorry, those are commands for the bot |
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| 00:13.03 | Doxin | oh |
| 00:13.05 | Doxin | lol |
| 00:13.11 | jordanm | ,file /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf |
| 00:13.14 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 00:13.50 | linuxthefish | maazu, i tried that but it won't work with iceweasel or chromium :/ |
| 00:14.03 | oats | hey y'all, I'm messing around with debian, and although I'm quite familiar with other 'nixes, I'm not very used to aptitude. Is running apt-get update without an apt-get upgrade discouraged so you don't end up with a "partially upgraded" system? |
| 00:14.10 | linuxthefish | is there a way to download the flashplayer rpm from wheezy? i'm using unstable right now |
| 00:14.22 | Doxin | oats: nah, its fine. it'll complain if you need to run update |
| 00:14.28 | maazu | linuxthefish: chromium!? I recommend pepperflash |
| 00:14.31 | maazu | !pepperflash |
| 00:14.32 | dpkg | Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
| 00:14.35 | oats | Doxin: gotcha, thanks. |
| 00:14.50 | Doxin | jordanm: so what now |
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| 00:15.15 | jordanm | Doxin: looking |
| 00:15.19 | Doxin | alright |
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| 00:16.14 | jordanm | Doxin: try removing your xorg.conf file and restarting X |
| 00:16.51 | Doxin | jordanm: rm: cannot remove â/etc/X11/xorg.confâ: No such file or directory |
| 00:17.07 | intent | I have debian 8.1 installed on a DO droplet with very little ram running VNC for basic things that take time so I dont have to keep my laptop on - can anybody recommend a lightweight FTP client to install? |
| 00:17.22 | jordanm | Doxin: you said earlier you told xorg to configure, was that via xorg -configure? |
| 00:17.32 | linuxthefish | maazu, i don't have flash in chromium though i asked before and apparently it's not in unstable |
| 00:17.35 | Doxin | uh, no, through dpkg |
| 00:17.40 | Doxin | should I xorg-configure then? |
| 00:17.43 | jordanm | no |
| 00:18.25 | jordanm | Doxin: when you tried fglrx, did you use the dkms package? |
| 00:18.30 | Doxin | uh |
| 00:18.32 | Doxin | dunno, |
| 00:18.58 | maazu | linuxthefish: since your inapt, maybe you should downgrade to stable Jessie where there is pepperflash? |
| 00:19.53 | jordanm | oh, interesting, apparently fglrx no longer works with gnome... |
| 00:19.58 | jordanm | Doxin: are you using gnome? |
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| 00:20.10 | Doxin | no |
| 00:20.24 | maazu | linuxthefish: https://packages.debian.org/sid/browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 00:20.26 | Doxin | I am using some bits and bobs that are part of gnome though |
| 00:20.30 | Doxin | jordanm: gedit etc |
| 00:20.35 | oats | It seems that systemd does not launch systemd user sessions by default on debian, how can I do this? |
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| 00:21.58 | jordanm | Doxin: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 00:22.22 | Doxin | I do now |
| 00:22.24 | jordanm | oats: it appears to for me |
| 00:22.33 | jordanm | Doxin: ok, try to restart with that installed |
| 00:22.39 | Doxin | alright, back in a yiffy |
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| 00:23.32 | jordanm | oats: maybe it's based on the DE/login manager you use? |
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| 00:23.49 | oats | jordanm: I'm logging in to a vps with ssh |
| 00:25.43 | jordanm | oats: looks like that should work by default. the default common-session includes pam_systemd.so and pam.d/sshd includes common-session |
| 00:25.51 | jordanm | not sure |
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| 00:27.03 | jordanm | oats: are you using jessie? |
| 00:27.16 | oats | jordanm: yes |
| 00:27.28 | oats | when I run "systemctl --user status": |
| 00:27.30 | oats | Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused |
| 00:27.51 | jordanm | oats: that indicates dbus is not even running |
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| 00:28.33 | oats | jordanm: `pgrep -a dbus` shows that a system session is running |
| 00:28.38 | oats | guess I need a dbus user session? |
| 00:29.14 | jordanm | oats: no, dbus should just be running as a root system service |
| 00:29.35 | cilkay | oats: Is it strictly necessary for you to have a GUI to log into on a VPS? What are you doing with that machine? |
| 00:29.47 | jordanm | cilkay: he is logged in via ssh |
| 00:29.59 | guiburgueira | When i use the ping command i need to define the network interface? I can't ping my other machine (using debian) in my internal network (from VirtualBox) but i can ping debian back from WinXp |
| 00:30.00 | oats | cilkay: ssh |
| 00:31.42 | jordanm | oats: maybe it does need a user session. the command works for me and it appears I have dbus running as a user as well |
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| 00:32.25 | jordanm | oats: https://gist.github.com/jmetzmeier/d7bfd8986f893745d78d |
| 00:34.22 | oats | jordanm: done a bit of poking around and comparing this debian vps to my personal arch machine, I think I need to enable/start user@1000.service |
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| 00:34.28 | oats | doesthething |
| 00:34.42 | Xip | Need a super good Sysadmin to my rescue / PM / paying Bitcoin for help |
| 00:34.56 | oats | oh dear |
| 00:35.00 | oats | Xip: just ask your question here |
| 00:35.08 | jordanm | oats: i believe pam_systemd should be doing that |
| 00:35.10 | Xip | It's going to take time |
| 00:35.22 | oats | jordanm: yeah, that service file is missing the install section |
| 00:35.57 | oats | jordanm: I'll ask in #systemd |
| 00:35.58 | jordanm | oats: does /run/systemd/users/1000 exist? |
| 00:35.58 | Xip | Also it's not exactly relevant to Debian itself, I just need some help |
| 00:36.22 | petn-randall | Xip: How is it relevant to Debian then? |
| 00:36.23 | oats | Xip: if it's not debian, you probably shouldn't be asking in #debian |
| 00:36.34 | Xip | Xip: It's a Debian server |
| 00:36.41 | Xip | petn-randall, oats |
| 00:36.57 | petn-randall | Xip: Ok, so what is your support question? |
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| 00:37.13 | oats | jordanm: nope |
| 00:37.21 | Xip | My server is not ending emails for some reason |
| 00:37.23 | jordanm | guess it's not started then |
| 00:37.32 | jordanm | "ending" emails? |
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| 00:37.48 | Xip | It does send emails sometimes, or _very_ delayed |
| 00:37.57 | petn-randall | Xip: How was the mail setup configured before? |
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| 00:38.37 | jordanm | Xip: what do the mail logs say? how large is your mail queue? `mailq` |
| 00:39.01 | Xip | Mailq says -- 27 Kbytes in 21 Requests. |
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| 00:39.41 | petn-randall | Xip: What SMTP server are you running? |
| 00:40.03 | jordanm | Xip: do the emails in the queue look like spam? |
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| 00:41.09 | guiburgueira | psa I resolved the problem. It was in the other machine |
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| 00:41.51 | cilkay | oats: FYI, I'm "systemctl --user status" also reports "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused" on a Jessie VM I'm running in VirtualBox. |
| 00:42.23 | cilkay | I see "/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation" in the process tree. |
| 00:43.35 | cilkay | I'm not familiar with this "systemd user session". What is that? |
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| 00:44.18 | Xip | jordanm: How can I tell if it is spam or not? What should I look at? |
| 00:44.26 | jordanm | cilkay: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User |
| 00:44.38 | cilkay | looking |
| 00:44.42 | Xip | petn-randall: I didn't set up this system, so I am not sure. How can I see what software is running? |
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| 00:45.06 | Xip | In the log I see "Nemesis ESMTP Service not available" multiple of times, could it be it? |
| 00:45.10 | oats | cilkay: that's the dbus system session, on my arch system, I have another dbus process with the flag --session instead of --system |
| 00:45.16 | jordanm | Xip: netstat -lnap | grep ':25.*LISTEN' |
| 00:45.27 | cilkay | Oh, that's pretty useful. It's essentially systemd access from userspace. |
| 00:45.37 | Xip | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1063/master |
| 00:45.38 | Xip | tcp6 0 0 :::25 :::* LISTEN 1063/master |
| 00:45.52 | petn-randall | Xip: 'dpkg -l postfix'? |
| 00:46.16 | jordanm | yeah, looks like postfix |
| 00:46.34 | Xip | Yes, "postfix 2.11.3-1" |
| 00:47.54 | petn-randall | Xip: 'postqueue -p' will list the deferred messages, can you paste them two http://paste.debian.net? If the mail addresses are confidental, you can just paste the first two mail queue entries and obfuscate them. |
| 00:48.10 | jordanm | Xip: the error you have shown is a remote error, reported by the server are you are sending the mail to |
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| 00:48.50 | jordanm | petn-randall: mailq is basically the same thing, right? |
| 00:49.21 | jordanm | like mailq == exim -bp |
| 00:49.49 | jordanm | good ole sendmail compatbility |
| 00:49.53 | petn-randall | jordanm: mailq is sendmail compatibility |
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| 00:50.00 | petn-randall | yeah, and postfix provides that. |
| 00:51.18 | Xip | The common issue seems to be that it says "refused to talk to me" and "invalid DNS PTR resource record" ... |
| 00:51.45 | Xip | I just recieved another test mail and a lot of users do recieve their emails, but some seems to never recieve one |
| 00:51.49 | petn-randall | Xip: Please show us the actual output. |
| 00:52.31 | petn-randall | Xip: As I said, feel free to obfuscate mail addresses, but the actual details matter. |
| 00:52.51 | petn-randall | that being the exact errors you get. |
| 00:53.05 | petn-randall | Xip: Can you copy/paste from that machine? |
| 00:54.27 | Xip | One moment |
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| 00:58.55 | Xip | http://paste.debian.net/317548/ |
| 00:59.05 | Xip | They all look like this |
| 00:59.17 | oats | jordanm: I've done a ton of mucking around. looks like there's a line in /etc/pam.d/something that enables the systemd user session only if the pam module exists, and it doesn't seem to. I figured out the package libpam-systemd has the module with apt-file, about to see if that helps |
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| 01:00.11 | oats | </brain-vomit> |
| 01:00.52 | oats | jordanm: fuck yeah, it worked |
| 01:01.04 | oats | systemctl --user status |
| 01:01.08 | oats | State: running |
| 01:01.14 | Xip | A lot of mails go through, Gmail seems to be fine for instance, but some hosts give this response |
| 01:01.57 | petn-randall | Xip: I've got to catch some sleep, but maybe jordanm can continue helping. You need to make sure that <yourservername> resolves to an an IP (DNS A record), and this IP resolves back to <yourservername> |
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| 01:02.29 | petn-randall | Xip: Also /etc/mailname should contain <yourservername>. That's what GMX's mailserver is complaining about. |
| 01:03.06 | Xip | petn-randall: Thank you so much for your help. Now I know where to look at. |
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| 01:03.20 | Xip | We are using Cloudflare and maybe this has something to do with the issues? |
| 01:04.11 | user999 | anyone have an idea why chromium won't allow "add to favorites" on the sidebar in gnome 3.18 in unstable? |
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| 01:04.28 | Xip | In /etc/mailname it says servername.localdomain |
| 01:04.28 | petn-randall | Xip: maybe |
| 01:04.44 | petn-randall | Xip: Literally ".localdomain"? |
| 01:04.50 | Xip | yes, literally |
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| 01:06.26 | petn-randall | Xip: I thought cloudflare is a CDN? Where is your main site hosted? |
| 01:07.18 | Xip | petn-randall: Yes, I have my own server. But I was thinking if it caused issues. For instance our scripts didn't see the real ip addresses of the users (as it works like a reverse proxy) and we had to add code to fix this |
| 01:07.33 | Xip | petn-randall: This is the first time I ever setup a mail server on my own |
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| 01:08.05 | petn-randall | Xip: You probably should get a freelancer to do that, then. It's easy to set up SMTP, but it's tricky to get right. |
| 01:08.23 | petn-randall | Xip: Or you simply use something like mailchimp and pay for it. |
| 01:08.36 | qman__ | There's a lot you have to do if you actually want people to get your mail |
| 01:09.11 | qman__ | It's not super co pled but it's also not a beginner task |
| 01:09.21 | qman__ | Complex* |
| 01:09.30 | Xip | petn-randall: It's a good idea to use a pay service I guess, I will be launching a lot of marketing campaigns in a near future and I really need to have all the emails to go through. But as for now, as it says, "literally .localdomain", is this wrong? |
| 01:09.56 | petn-randall | Xip: Yeah, it needs to be a FQDN. Either way, have a good one. |
| 01:10.05 | Xip | petn-randall: Take care, I'll Google it |
| 01:10.12 | petn-randall | Meaning, it needs to be resolvable in the outside world. |
| 01:10.15 | Xip | petn-randall: Thanks for pointing me in he right direction |
| 01:10.47 | Xip | the* |
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| 01:11.00 | petn-randall | Xip: I'm sure you can take it from here. Good luck with your endeavours! |
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| 01:11.38 | Xip | petn-randall: Thank you again! |
| 01:11.43 | Xip | petn-randall: Sleep well |
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| 01:16.43 | unkmar | Okay, this should be a simple question. Any ideas why I can login as Bob but not Bill? |
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| 01:17.20 | unkmar | Let me rephrase. Why I can ssh in as Bob but not Bill. I can su to Bill, type in Bill's password and login. but not ssh. |
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| 01:20.22 | qman__ | unkmar: many possible reasons, including not allowed in sshd_config or invalid shell |
| 01:20.56 | wonderworld | which error do you get? |
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| 01:23.49 | unkmar | qman__: I'm looking at sshd_config and I don't see anything that allows Bob that wouldn't allow Bill. or vice versa. |
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| 01:25.38 | qman__ | The most obvious is a ,match rule, but things like the authentication methods available could allow one user to work and not another |
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| 01:26.12 | qman__ | Same with chroot jail configurations |
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| 01:27.00 | qman__ | Needs more context to narrow down, try reading auth.log and syslog for clues |
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| 02:17.58 | enthdegree | hello |
| 02:18.06 | enthdegree | i burned the netinstall image to my hard drive |
| 02:18.33 | enthdegree | so now when i turn on the computer it boots to netinstall |
| 02:18.49 | enthdegree | but when i run netinstall it says 'no common CD-ROM drive was detected' |
| 02:19.59 | enthdegree | one thing that works is to mount the drive netinstall was burned to onto /cdrom |
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| 02:56.54 | jonwil | Can anyone tell me if there is a tool available to easily add new entries to debian .deb changelogs? |
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| 03:12.46 | enthdegree | How do I install debian netinstall from thumb drive? |
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| 03:16.46 | ubertwinkie | restart |
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| 03:23.41 | enthdegree | hello |
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| 03:25.32 | bugoff | Alright... so I'm logged into the desktop of Debian 8 which I installed yesterday in VMware Player. It appears to have picked Xfce. I checked all of the GUIs. |
| 03:25.41 | bugoff | It didn't seem to give me a choice as to which GUI to log in to. |
| 03:25.46 | bugoff | How can I try out the other ones? |
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| 03:27.43 | bugoff | Also, Xfce has changed a lot since I last used it in... 2002? I remember it as having nothing on the desktop and you had to right-click to get a menu of any sort. |
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| 03:28.14 | Hello71 | you're thinking of openbox |
| 03:29.05 | Epakai | xfce can be configured without desktop icons |
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| 03:30.00 | Hello71 | yes, but IIRC no major distros ever shipped gnome or xfce with no panels |
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| 03:30.13 | Hello71 | or for that matter kde |
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| 03:31.22 | bugoff | I distinctively recall it was a four-letter name. |
| 03:31.26 | bugoff | Must've been "xfce". |
| 03:31.32 | bugoff | Anyway... I'd like to test KDE or Gnome now. |
| 03:31.38 | bugoff | But I don't know how. |
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| 03:33.41 | bugoff | Also: I double-click vwware-install.pl, and I right-click it and select "Execute", but literally nothing happens. |
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| 03:34.38 | Epakai | to install another desktop environment i'd run tasksel as root and select one of those, your login manager should let you select which DE to use |
| 03:35.11 | Epakai | i think tasksel will prompt you to pick a default as well once you install one |
| 03:35.38 | bugoff | Epakai: The point is that I already installed them. I checked them in the installer. |
| 03:35.51 | bugoff | I simply mean that it didn't let me pick, but simply booted into Xfce. |
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| 03:36.45 | themill | no, it booted to a login screen |
| 03:36.50 | marbar | hello all. does anyone here have experience getting a displaylink usb vga adapter working? i can get the monitor to the point of being recognized by xrandr, but x crashes with a seg fault at address 0x20 when i try to activate it with xrandr. |
| 03:36.58 | marbar | thanks yall |
| 03:37.48 | marbar | or is there a more appropriate channel for this question? thanks. |
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| 03:38.54 | Epakai | marbar: what kernel are you on? i think displaylink support is fairly new |
| 03:40.06 | bugoff | Oh. That cogwheel lets me select the GUI to use. |
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| 03:40.31 | bugoff | Hilariously, however, the list expands downward, beyond the screen's limit, effectively hiding KDE from me. |
| 03:40.37 | marbar | hey Epakai i'm on 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 03:42.12 | marbar | and Epakai right before the seg fault (in Xorg.0.log) there are a couple weird messages: "have a master to look out for" and "adjust shatters 0 4880". strange right? |
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| 03:43.42 | marbar | Epakai, and xrandr 1.4.2. is there some other key package i should be aware of? |
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| 03:45.16 | Epakai | the only major things i see is to try using the kernel driver udl instead of udlfb (blacklist udlfb), if i were messing with it i would look into changes in newer kernels/newer versions of X, but I don't have any direct experince with these devices |
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| 03:47.10 | marbar | thanks Epakai cool. ok i have udlfb blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/displaylink.conf (should this have a different name maybe?) |
| 03:47.45 | marbar | also dmesg has a line like "[drm] Initialized udl 0.0.1 20120220 on minor 1" |
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| 03:53.47 | bugoff | Sorry, but having made a genuine attempt to switch to Linux, even with prior experience and a hardened, geeky personality, I must say this is just miserable. I almost think I downloaded the wrong ISO and installed some beta version from 2001 or something instead of Debian 8, because if this is what people are getting, AmigaOS 3.9 stands a greater chance of taking over the desktop market than Linux. |
| 03:54.35 | hassoon | bylzz: w-what ? |
| 03:54.38 | hassoon | bugoff: * |
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| 03:56.35 | themill | bugoff: Great! At least you know you'll be happy somewhere else. |
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| 03:58.22 | k_sze | Guys, I'm somewhat confused by ntopng. |
| 03:58.33 | k_sze | Does anybody here use it? |
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| 03:59.10 | k_sze | Am I right in saying that ntopng can't act as a Flow collector (I need to use nProbe to act as a collector)? |
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| 04:00.18 | wadadli | `tmux |
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| 04:03.02 | enthdegree | hi guys |
| 04:03.08 | enthdegree | does anyone have experience with the debian installer here? |
| 04:05.30 | enthdegree | when I get to 'Configure the package manger' the installer fails |
| 04:05.36 | enthdegree | what is going wrong/ |
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| 04:08.33 | magicalhypnotoad | Don't suppose anyone could give me a hand. I've been trying to install steam, and I followed all of the steps laid out on the debian wiki, but apt-get can never find steam. |
| 04:08.59 | enthdegree | my installer fails on 'configure the package manager' |
| 04:09.11 | enthdegree | how do i configure apt post-installation? |
| 04:12.00 | Rusty1 | magicalhypnotoad: there is #steamlug channel, you can ask there whilst waiting here |
| 04:15.08 | magicalhypnotoad | Thanks, I'll have a look! |
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| 04:36.59 | bugoff | themill: Incorrect. The very reason I was trying to switch to Linux (again) is because I was unhappy in the privacy-invasive and anti-user environment of Windows 8 and beyond. |
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| 04:45.36 | themill | bugoff: can I suggest then that it is in your interest to ask questions in a way that doesn't annoy the people who might try to answer them? |
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| 04:48.09 | k_sze | I think I did something stupid when installing ntop via apt-get |
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| 04:48.44 | k_sze | I told it to capture eth0, thinking that means the interface through which it should listen for NetFlow packets. |
| 04:49.02 | k_sze | I can't find where I can configure the ntop service. |
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| 04:50.49 | FI_OpwK | ./linux/remote/20143.txt |
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| 05:01.15 | Octothorpe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:05.23 | bugoff | themill: It's very difficult to do so. Sometimes, it seems unavoidable. |
| 05:06.55 | themill | it is not |
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| 05:34.10 | Jaga-Jaga | my wlan disconnects and reconnects at random. here is dmesg. https://paste.debian.net/317562/ |
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| 05:55.16 | lesta | Jaga-Jaga: when this problem started? |
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| 05:58.29 | Jaga-Jaga | lesta: for a long time, it was worse befefore |
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| 06:02.27 | k_sze | ugh, I'm looking through the output of `dpkg -L ntop`, and I have absolutely no clue where it sets the options that are passed to start the ntop daemon. |
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| 06:04.09 | lesta | Jaga-Jaga: sometimes can be a interference from a new arial/antenna - hardware around |
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| 06:06.18 | Jaga-Jaga | i see |
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| 06:08.42 | ghormoon | is there any better explanation for hdparm --read-sector xxx /dev/sda to return different numbers when I run it multiple times except that the sd card is totally broken? |
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| 06:10.20 | rozie | ghormoon: run badblocks |
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| 06:10.50 | rozie | it may be memory/cpu/controller issue too, so try to run on different hardware |
| 06:11.15 | lesta | Jaga-Jaga: go out and take a look around, is there any antenna? any other communication hardware ? maybe ask the owner if have same prob... |
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| 06:12.43 | ghormoon | I've just tried another sdcard reader with the same result |
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| 06:13.18 | ghormoon | though I've written and raspbian image to the card and at least the boot partition was ok. the data is not (so I'm hunting down those locks where reading dies) |
| 06:13.40 | ghormoon | I didn't manage to get deterministic output on correct block too though :( |
| 06:14.27 | enthdegree | does anyone know how to add menu accelerators back into gnome classic window menus? |
| 06:14.36 | FI_OpwK | !debian |
| 06:14.36 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 06:14.51 | FI_OpwK | !jessie |
| 06:14.52 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.2>. |
| 06:15.10 | rozie | ghormoon: another sdcard reader won't fix cpu |
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| 06:15.21 | FI_OpwK | !wheezy |
| 06:15.21 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.8>. |
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| 06:15.59 | ghormoon | rozie: hope it's not cpu :)) more likely is that it's caused because I pci-passthrough that usb controller, other devices work on it though. |
| 06:16.05 | FI_OpwK | toy penguin? |
| 06:16.08 | FI_OpwK | !tux |
| 06:16.08 | dpkg | i guess tux is a like, a cute cuddly penguin. Worship him. The logo of Linux, or the Linux logo because once, while on vacation in the southern hemisphere, Linus Torvalds was bitten on the hand by a penguin! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Tux.png . See also <tuz>. |
| 06:16.33 | rozie | ghormoon: most likely it's sdcard. my rpi and bpi killed two cards |
| 06:16.58 | ghormoon | rozie: took out this one out of my phone, though that doesn't mean it's not broken :) |
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| 06:17.54 | FI_OpwK | !systemd |
| 06:17.55 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 06:19.26 | FI_OpwK | !chanserv |
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| 06:19.58 | FI_OpwK | oooh. |
| 06:20.31 | FI_OpwK | !root |
| 06:20.31 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 06:22.21 | rozie | ghormoon: let me repeat: badblocks |
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| 06:23.04 | rozie | badblocks -nsv /dev/sdb (man badblock for details) |
| 06:23.30 | ghormoon | rozie: it runs since you said it (though without those parameters, shoud I stop it?) |
| 06:23.32 | FI_OpwK | !udev |
| 06:23.32 | dpkg | udev is a /dev and hotplug management daemon, the Linux kernel's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>. Ask me about <udev mac>, <blacklist.conf>. See also <udev rules>, <udev squeeze>, <udev details>, <dpin>, <devtmpfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev #udev on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 06:23.58 | rozie | I'd stop and run with parameters above. more verbose |
| 06:24.01 | rozie | bbl |
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| 06:25.05 | ghormoon | it printed out one sector so far (ifferent than the one I was hunting down :)) |
| 06:26.16 | FI_OpwK | !firmware |
| 06:26.16 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 06:27.31 | FI_OpwK | !acpi |
| 06:27.31 | dpkg | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ . See also <acpid>, <suspend>. |
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| 06:28.18 | FI_OpwK | !pci |
| 06:28.19 | dpkg | Conventional PCI (Peripheral Connect Interface) was designed to supplant the VL-Bus architecture and provide a standard slot with a reduced size for high-speed peripherals. It normally runs at 33 MHz on a PC, but can run faster. PCI slots are 32-bit slots on Intel systems, but the specification allows for 64-bit, like EISA or VL-BUS, but in a compact form factor. See <pciids>, <pcie>, <pci-x>. |
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| 06:30.37 | ghormoon | how can i force it to run with -n or -w? it complains on read-only filesystem, even -f doesn't help |
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| 06:31.27 | FI_OpwK | !ufw |
| 06:31.27 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
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| 06:31.36 | jelly | !msg the bot |
| 06:31.37 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
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| 06:32.10 | FI_OpwK | fine |
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| 06:34.18 | ghormoon | hm, seems one of the sdcard readers has problem with the lock on card, even on unlocked, it was ro :( |
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| 06:37.50 | ghormoon | strange thing that it says it will write blocks 0-7774207 and blockdev says it has 15548416 sectors :-/ |
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| 06:42.19 | nullz | hi |
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| 07:54.23 | k_sze | Does anybody know where the configurations of ntop 5.0.1 are on Debian Jessie? |
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| 07:56.33 | pagios | hi all, i have a question about the "mv" command, when i do an mv and stop it in the middle does it delete the original files? or it only deletes them when the mv command completed? like a cp and delete? |
| 07:57.32 | nglpx1 | pagios: the mv command in the same partition does not copy the file |
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| 07:58.19 | nglpx1 | it makes a copy only between different partitions: in that case it delete the original file after the copy |
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| 08:02.29 | pagios | nglpx1: so is it cp file1, cp fil2 cop fil3 then rm file1, rm file2 rm file3 OR cp file1, del file1 , cp file2 , del file2 etc? |
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| 08:02.43 | pagios | if doing on a dir containing these files? |
| 08:03.04 | nglpx1 | the second |
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| 08:03.47 | nglpx1 | if mv is between different partitions it copy and delete any single file |
| 08:03.55 | pagios | nglpx1: how come i have interrupted a mv dir1 between 2 fs and i got the same file on src and destination? |
| 08:04.32 | k_sze | ah shit |
| 08:04.44 | k_sze | I broke the terminal by cat'ing a .db file. |
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| 08:04.54 | nglpx1 | probably because you interrupted before the deleting |
| 08:05.13 | bezaban | k_sze: reset |
| 08:05.30 | k_sze | bezaban: how? |
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| 08:05.40 | bezaban | k_sze: issue the 'reset' command :P |
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| 08:06.15 | nglpx1 | pagios: you find more than one original file after the interruption? |
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| 08:13.25 | nglpx1 | pagios: if you do mv dir1 (and not mv * in the dir) probably it deletes the entire dir1 after all files have been copied |
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| 08:26.18 | jpfox | Hi everybody. I'm looking for the good ISO image to install servers (unknown arch i386/AMD64) without internet connection. I think this one could be useful http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/ but what does mean "source" in file name debian-8.2.0-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso ? |
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| 08:28.34 | epsilon | you dont need source(code) |
| 08:29.25 | jpfox | So which iso would you use to prepare an install on a disconnected server ? |
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| 08:29.51 | epsilon | the DVD images, try with DVD 1 first |
| 08:30.38 | jpfox | I do not find DVD multiarch no source :-( |
| 08:31.01 | jpfox | have a look on my previous link |
| 08:31.31 | epsilon | beside that, if you have 50-100GB USB-HDD/Stick, you can ctreate a debian mirror on it and attach on server |
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| 08:32.24 | epsilon | can you run a live Linux CD on the server and check the hardware/CPU? |
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| 08:34.39 | jpfox | I don't have server colse to me, so I can't test. It is for a formation example. I just know that I will have a little server... If there is no multiarch solution, I can install i386 anyway |
| 08:34.57 | adamt | I think one of our own packages forgot to clean up after itself, so each time i ssh to the box i get this error: "update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for dbc-jdk" -- how do i remove the alternative group dbc-jdk? i tried ' update-alternatives --remove-all dbc-jdk', but no luck. |
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| 08:36.33 | jpfox | in this case, is debian-8.2.0-i386-DVD-1.iso enough to have all basic packages for a LAMP server ? |
| 08:37.33 | jpfox | We don't know how packages are dispatched on these 3 DVD image ? |
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| 08:37.45 | pksadiq | jpfox: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/multi-arch/list-dvd/ Shows the contents of the DVD. It contains both binary and source. But I don't know whether its bootable. Check the appropriate list directory to find the contents of corresponding ISO files. |
| 08:37.55 | jelly | hmm. http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/paste.debian.net |
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| 08:40.18 | jpfox | thanks pksadiq |
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| 08:51.22 | wsky | ok i got debian 8 amd64 with multiarch i386 enabled but i get unmet dependencies when i try to install a i386 package |
| 08:52.37 | dionysus69 | I am having trouble to install 01.org intel driver |
| 08:52.47 | dionysus69 | i cant compile I am getting this Package requirements (glproto >= 1.4.17 gl >= 7.1.0) were not met: error |
| 08:52.56 | dionysus69 | I was getting many more errors before this but I cant fix this one |
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| 08:53.22 | towo^work | wsky, you should be more precise |
| 08:53.44 | wsky | towo^work: tell me whatr more information you need |
| 08:53.48 | jelly | wsky: do an "apt-get update" after enabling multiarch. If it still happens, follow |
| 08:53.50 | jelly | !bat |
| 08:53.51 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:53.52 | towo^work | dionysus69, because of not vaing the -dev packages installed? |
| 08:54.06 | dionysus69 | towo^work: how do I install them? |
| 08:54.06 | wsky | jelly: of course i did apt-get update |
| 08:54.15 | towo^work | dionysus69, apt-get? |
| 08:54.24 | dionysus69 | towo^work: yes but specifically |
| 08:54.32 | towo^work | dionysus69, what should an 01.org intel driver be? |
| 08:54.34 | dionysus69 | there is no package named gl or glproto |
| 08:54.38 | pksadiq | dionysus69: x11proto-gl-dev? |
| 08:54.52 | jelly | wsky: then show all the output dpkg just asked for, please. paste.debian.net is down, you can use eg. paste.ubuntu.com |
| 08:55.05 | dionysus69 | hmm ok let me try that |
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| 08:55.55 | dionysus69 | nope that didnt help |
| 08:55.59 | wsky | jelly: http://pastebin.com/tBBGm3Dq |
| 08:56.15 | dionysus69 | towo^work: its an integrated display driver, I am aiming for HD5500 driver |
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| 08:56.46 | pksadiq | dionysus69: If you know the corresponding package available in debian, You can install the build dependencies via apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 08:56.51 | jelly | wsky: can you put the other two commands dpkg asked for in the same pastebin? |
| 08:57.12 | wsky | jelly: which dpkg commands |
| 08:57.30 | dionysus69 | pksadiq: hmm I dont know the package but I am getting this error while trying to ./configure a source package I downloaded |
| 08:57.41 | towo^work | dionysus69, why you don't install the driver from backports? |
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| 08:58.03 | dionysus69 | towo^work: does it exist? how do I know? I have HD 5500 |
| 08:58.28 | towo^work | disposable, sure it exists |
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| 08:59.08 | jelly | wsky: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". -- 2. and 3. |
| 08:59.39 | jelly | wsky: all the packages that you tried to install and that are mentioned in the output are "relevant" |
| 08:59.46 | towo^work | dionysus69, and btw, in backports you also find a newer kernel |
| 08:59.58 | dionysus69 | I have kernel 4.2 installed |
| 09:00.00 | towo^work | dionysus69, only the ddx would not help you many |
| 09:00.01 | dionysus69 | from backports |
| 09:00.10 | wsky | jelly: http://pastebin.com/iapaZBFz |
| 09:00.20 | dionysus69 | I dont even know how to find anything on backports site its very unintuitive |
| 09:00.21 | towo^work | dionysus69, then install xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports too |
| 09:00.31 | dionysus69 | can you help me find a driver for intel graphics ? :D |
| 09:00.49 | dionysus69 | hmm ok I ll try that actually thats what I found but how do I know thats what I need? |
| 09:01.38 | jelly | wsky: in your case, 2. would be "apt-cache policy libsdl1.2-dev:i386 libdirectfb-dev:i386 libpulse-dev:i386" and 3. is just "apt-cache policy" |
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| 09:02.05 | wsky | jelly: i just pasted you that |
| 09:02.20 | acu | how can I add a desktop in plasma-kde - I know is stupid question |
| 09:02.44 | jelly | wsky: there's no "apt-cache policy ... libdirectfb-dev:i386 libpulse-dev:i386" |
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| 09:03.45 | wsky | jelly: http://pastebin.com/e8ZcpTWQ |
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| 09:04.59 | jelly | wsky: alright. what happens if you "apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev:i386 libdirectfb-dev:i386 libpulse-dev:i386" ? |
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| 09:06.47 | jelly | wsky: many -dev packages are still not multiarch compliant; I'm GUESSING you're hitting some of those somewhere in the dependencies and you already have a conflicting amd64 -dev package installed. If you need to build 32bit stuff, it's still easier to do it in a separate i386 chroot |
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| 09:07.28 | wsky | jelly: http://pastebin.com/BkCKFS6J |
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| 09:08.13 | jelly | wsky: huh. What if you use aptitude install ... instead? |
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| 09:11.29 | wsky | jelly: it installs nothing |
| 09:11.45 | wsky | jelly: i have two ubuntu ppas in the system tho |
| 09:11.53 | wsky | maybe that's an issue |
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| 09:14.36 | dionysus69 | in windows I go to device manager to check if drivers are installed, how do i do that in debian jessie? btw I successfully installed intel driver from backports no more need to compile source. |
| 09:15.39 | rozie | dionysus69: dpkg -l | grep name_of_the_package_with_driver |
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| 09:17.44 | towo^work | dionysus69, in linux you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 09:20.11 | wsky | jelly: i got it solved, i didn't need the dev packages but the non-dev packages |
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| 09:24.12 | dionysus69 | towo^work: how do I read this file though theres lots of text ? :D |
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| 09:26.03 | towo^work | dionysus69, since linux is not windows, you have to learn somme basics |
| 09:26.09 | towo^work | *some |
| 09:26.29 | dionysus69 | well I thought I knew linux basics =( |
| 09:26.38 | dionysus69 | damn it still at 0 lol |
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| 09:27.43 | towo^work | dionysus69, reading logfiles an get the relevant infos from, are basics |
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| 09:29.53 | dionysus69 | i ll improve )) |
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| 10:10.03 | dionysus69 | I am given this error when i try to alter bluetooth in powertop, sh: 1: /usr/sbin/hciconfig: not found but when I got to usr/sbin there is hciconfig and it is detecting bluetooth device. any suggestions on what might be wrong? |
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| 10:35.43 | dionysus69 | can anyone help me please? |
| 10:36.10 | dionysus69 | I am having trouble opting out bluetooth from powertop management because it constantly disables it stupidly even when I want to use it |
| 10:36.59 | ewew | dionysus69 Your runnin it with root or normal user ? |
| 10:37.05 | dionysus69 | root |
| 10:37.27 | ewew | dionysus69 Its a script ? |
| 10:37.46 | dionysus69 | and when I toggle bluetooth line in tunable tab it says /usr/sbin/hciconfig: not found but it is actually there |
| 10:37.53 | dionysus69 | what do you mean if its a script? |
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| 10:39.56 | ewew | dionysus69 I dont see a funcion that does this in powertop. |
| 10:40.25 | dionysus69 | if you open up powertop with sudo powertop and move to tunable solumn with tab button |
| 10:40.38 | dionysus69 | you can toggle managements you know right? |
| 10:40.48 | dionysus69 | but I cannot toggle the one for bluetooth only |
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| 10:43.58 | ewew | dionysus69 Do you have installed tools for bluetooth ? |
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| 10:44.16 | dionysus69 | no, just whatever came with gnome shell |
| 10:44.47 | dionysus69 | but its weird when i execute sudo rfkill list it gives me 2 bluetooth devices |
| 10:44.47 | ewew | dionysus69 Try to install them. But i dont know this tool. So im just guessing. |
| 10:45.00 | dionysus69 | 0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth and 10: hci0: Bluetooth |
| 10:45.04 | dionysus69 | what does this mean? |
| 10:45.42 | ewew | dionysus69 I dont know for sure. |
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| 10:55.57 | ville | howdy. anyone put debian on a buffalo linkstation 210 or know of someone done it? if it's possible what sort of hackery is expected? |
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| 10:57.12 | ville | suggestions for other low-end nas that i can put debian on welcome as well |
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| 10:59.30 | GitGud | hi. yeah. can i get help here with fdisk? |
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| 11:03.09 | anonnumberanon | Upgrading to Jessie, hope I'm getting SICK software! |
| 11:04.26 | jelly | GitGud: if you're using debian 8 or older, yeah |
| 11:04.30 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:04.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:04.39 | GitGud | yeah yeah. i got that |
| 11:05.09 | GitGud | basically i'm using fdisk to format my usb stick. i used this usb before to install debian 8 btw |
| 11:05.26 | Krakakanok | http://status.bitbucket.org/ mmm |
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| 11:06.37 | GitGud | and so this 64GB usb was reduced to 243 MB or something. so now i have to reformat it to get that space back. so now i opened up the device with fdisk. erased disk and wrote new partition to disk and tried to save it and it keeps giving me an error |
| 11:06.56 | GitGud | so i wanted to share that error with you so you can help me with my issue |
| 11:06.59 | Ephexeve | I tried doing a dd of an debian.iso image on a external HDD partition (sdb3), tried booting, didn't work |
| 11:07.02 | Ephexeve | any idea why? |
| 11:07.10 | Ephexeve | how can I dd to an external partition? |
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| 11:07.42 | GitGud | now a process is running on there. so i cant post the error yet. but i will soon |
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| 11:12.22 | strk | I just bought a lenovo laptop and trying to install debian-8.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso on it) |
| 11:12.38 | strk | it always gets stuck on the "running dpkg" phase, giving no progress indication |
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| 11:13.06 | strk | it does not respond to pings anymore now |
| 11:13.24 | strk | during installation, it warned me about the need for firmware for an "rtl" device |
| 11:13.37 | strk | it's using the ethernet though, at least it's plugged with it |
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| 11:14.07 | strk | the router does not see it attached anymore (it was when the installation started) |
| 11:14.16 | ewew | strk switch to other tty and run dmesg on it. |
| 11:14.30 | strk | ctrl-alt-f1 ? (as it didn't work when I tried) |
| 11:14.46 | strk | f1 needs the Fn key too... in case it matters |
| 11:15.00 | ewew | strk switch to tty5 |
| 11:16.07 | tremon | iirc the installer only has tty1-4, with tty1 being the installer menu and tty4 being the installer log |
| 11:16.34 | strk | no tty switch works |
| 11:16.51 | strk | alt-f{1,2,,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} none work |
| 11:16.55 | strk | ctrl-alt-f{1,2,,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} none work |
| 11:17.18 | ewew | strk Ok. It probably lockup. |
| 11:17.46 | ewew | strk Do you know exactly what NIC is in that laptop ? |
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| 11:18.22 | strk | not exactly. It's a Lenovo MCA35IX |
| 11:18.30 | strk | B50-30 |
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| 11:21.19 | ewew | strk You need firmware for the ethernet nic. |
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| 11:23.36 | GitGud | ok got it working. never mind |
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| 11:24.38 | dionysus69 | how do I update to gnome 3.16 on jessie? |
| 11:25.06 | tremon | you don't |
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| 11:25.42 | jelly | dionysus69: short answer: you can't |
| 11:26.15 | strk | ewew: I dont' have the firmware, no disk |
| 11:26.30 | strk | it's a RealTeck for "ethernet controller" and Atheros for "network controller" |
| 11:26.43 | dionysus69 | hmm ok thanks tremon jelly |
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| 11:27.33 | jelly | dionysus69: judging by http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/status.html you'd have to use stretch (current testing, still in heavy development) if you wanted 3.16 |
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| 11:28.12 | ewew | strk The harddrive is not detected or network card ? |
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| 11:30.23 | strk | ewew: everything is detected, and network even works, both with wifi and cable ( responded to ping ) |
| 11:30.33 | strk | only, at a later step, the machine freezes up |
| 11:30.42 | strk | at the "running dpkg" |
| 11:31.16 | ewew | strk What is on tty4 when it freezes ? |
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| 11:31.30 | strk | when it freezes, I cannot switch to tty4 |
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| 11:32.28 | ewew | strk Did you compare the sha256 sum before using the iso ? |
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| 11:33.43 | strk | (no) d453bec61f0ff49aa314b6e1d03cee4f debian-8.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 11:34.23 | strk | I'm re-trying just now. During network hardware detection it stops and asks me about finding firmware "rtl_nic/rt18168g-3.fw" |
| 11:34.38 | strk | I answer to NOT load that firmware |
| 11:34.50 | strk | it finds eth0 and wlan0 anyway |
| 11:35.01 | strk | I pick eth0 (hooked with cable) |
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| 11:35.12 | strk | it configures the network, successfully (can ping from other machine) |
| 11:35.13 | ewew | strk Can not tell for sure if this is the reason. |
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| 11:35.43 | jokx | hello |
| 11:35.46 | strk | if I switch to tty2 I can see dmesg telling me about eth0 link down/up/down/up |
| 11:36.21 | ewew | strk In very short intervals ? Like 1 second and etc ? |
| 11:36.47 | strk | actually, it is ok now |
| 11:37.01 | strk | IPv6, only did the down/up 5/6 times |
| 11:37.11 | strk | ofc dmesg also contains the "firmwar failed to load" message |
| 11:37.40 | strk | what replaces ifconfig in busybox ? |
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| 11:38.27 | ewew | stk download this https://packages.debian.org/sk/jessie/firmware-realtek a put it on usb stick.Before boot put in the stick and when it ask for firmware say yes. |
| 11:38.40 | wsky | what's the best way to install gtk1.2 in jessie? |
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| 11:42.45 | tremon | strk: ip |
| 11:43.30 | tremon | ip addr show (or ip ad) to be exact |
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| 11:46.06 | strk | thanks tremon |
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| 11:47.54 | julius_ | hi |
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| 11:48.34 | julius_ | in a minimal 8.2 installation, why does "ifconfig" not show my eth0 address? it shows something starting with 172. |
| 11:48.37 | ewew | strk What is the status of the install ? |
| 11:49.05 | ewew | julius_ Try ip addr. |
| 11:49.33 | tremon | julius_: 172. or 127. ? |
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| 11:49.54 | julius_ | 172 |
| 11:49.57 | julius_ | i know about localhost |
| 11:50.02 | julius_ | ip addr says the same... |
| 11:50.05 | julius_ | btw its a vps |
| 11:50.08 | tremon | 172.[16-31] is still a private range |
| 11:50.22 | markybob | right. 172.16.0.0/12 |
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| 11:50.24 | julius_ | yes its 172.31.... |
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| 11:50.35 | xand | julius_: run this instead; ip a s eth0 |
| 11:50.42 | xand | does that show another IPv4 address? |
| 11:50.48 | xand | ifconfig can only show one per interface |
| 11:51.02 | xand | if "ip" doesn't show any more, that's the only IPv4 address on eth0 |
| 11:51.08 | markybob | why do you think 172. whatever is wrong? |
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| 11:51.21 | julius__ | i mean the official 78.... ip works, im just wondering why its not listed in ip addr |
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| 11:51.25 | julius__ | ups...auto reconnect |
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| 11:51.57 | tremon | if it's a VPS, that ip address is probably configured on one of their border firewalls, and routed through to your internal address |
| 11:52.17 | bezaban | julius__: the public address is not assigned directly to the machine/interface there is some NAT |
| 11:52.20 | tmp3k | humm having trouble booting this live VM version Dbian 7 |
| 11:52.21 | tremon | but that's just guessing, ask your provider |
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| 11:53.44 | strk | now that I have a ping going the install seems to be proceeding |
| 11:53.48 | strk | ewew: ^^ |
| 11:53.57 | strk | maybe my ping keeps the driver "warm" |
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| 11:54.28 | julius__ | bezaban, ah...that is possible |
| 11:54.54 | julius__ | bezaban, last server i got there that wasnt the case....but why make it easy |
| 11:55.33 | julius__ | trem0r, would would they achieve with that? |
| 11:56.32 | bezaban | julius__: it's a pretty common way of designing networks, easy to point the externa address to a different internal address |
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| 11:56.48 | bezaban | but also a consequence of widespread NAT as practice :) |
| 11:56.50 | julius__ | ah ok |
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| 11:58.04 | bezaban | I guess some providers might have several VPS behind an ip address too, but I've never encountered one |
| 11:58.28 | bezaban | (but I don't have any VPS either) |
| 11:58.28 | tremon | julius__: for one, it prevents you configuring other address than what you are assigned, and breaking other customers' setups |
| 11:58.29 | ewew | better protection |
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| 11:59.02 | ewew | IPv6 will be direct exposure of devices to internet. |
| 11:59.10 | julius__ | tremon, thats a good one |
| 11:59.23 | bezaban | ewew: you still have to handle firewall rules, nat doesn't really grant any security :) |
| 11:59.25 | tremon | ewew: no it won't. publicly routed != directly exposed |
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| 11:59.46 | ewew | ok |
| 12:00.15 | bezaban | but with widespread NAT it is easy to get the two concepts mixed into one, as most wizards/guis will auto-add firewall rules along with NAT |
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| 12:01.40 | strk | there, freezed |
| 12:01.58 | strk | my dmesg loop stopped refreshing, and keyboard events aren't sent |
| 12:01.59 | tremon | strk: did you remember to switch to tty4 before the freeze? :) |
| 12:02.10 | strk | last dmesg output has no trace of new errors |
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| 12:02.28 | strk | (I'm in tty2, with a 10 second loop on dmesg) |
| 12:02.43 | strk | was tty4 special ? |
| 12:03.04 | ewew | It shows errors by it self. |
| 12:03.07 | tremon | tty4 has the installer log, so you can see exactly which package is being configured/installed at that time |
| 12:03.08 | strk | oh |
| 12:03.11 | strk | gah |
| 12:03.39 | tremon | but it does sound like a hardware issue. It could be that the missing firmware exposes a bug in the network chip, but that's just a guess |
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| 12:03.39 | strk | alright, next iteration (4th) |
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| 12:04.02 | strk | this time I'll have the firmware loaded (needs a second usb key or can I add it to the netinst one ?) |
| 12:04.43 | tremon | I think a second usb key is easier, not sure in what location you'd need to put it on the installer usb for it to be picked up |
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| 12:06.58 | strk | now, the installer asks for a "rtlxxxx.fw" file, while what I downloaded is a .deb file |
| 12:07.27 | ewew | strk Extract it from *.deb archive. |
| 12:07.33 | tremon | with dpkg -x |
| 12:07.41 | strk | tough, the installer doesn't even ask me where to find the file |
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| 12:08.50 | tremon | strk: have you read https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04.html.en ? |
| 12:09.23 | tremon | according to the description, the installer will scan inside .debs |
| 12:09.24 | strk | no (reading now, while Lubuntu installs w/out asking me anything...) |
| 12:09.32 | jelly | strk: if you don't mind restarting the installer, the simplest thing to do is use installer images that already have fw on them |
| 12:09.35 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 12:09.35 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 12:10.10 | jelly | ubuntu takes a more pragmatic approach wrt usability and non-free components |
| 12:10.48 | jelly | debian installer is focused more on the freedom side in this case |
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| 12:12.31 | strk | what's the deal with these iso-burned dongles all being considered "readonly" ? |
| 12:12.47 | tremon | it's because of the iso filesystem |
| 12:12.49 | strk | even mount -o remount,rw |
| 12:12.52 | strk | ah |
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| 12:13.03 | strk | ok, so I don't hav ea spare key to load the firmware into |
| 12:13.10 | strk | only left with the firmware-including images |
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| 12:15.47 | dionysus69 | can anyone please tell me why I cant make gnome grid extension work? It adds worspace horizontally but not vertically |
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| 12:19.37 | strk | oh, interesting |
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| 12:20.04 | strk | the lubuntu installer is now prompting me to "install Lubuntu togheter with Debian GNU/Linux (8.2)" |
| 12:20.17 | strk | so the debian install wasn't a complete failure, after all |
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| 12:20.27 | strk | or maybe it just tagged the partition with its name ? |
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| 12:21.11 | dionysus69 | if debian isnt booting doesnt mean its not installed |
| 12:22.15 | tremon | strk: it's probably seeing an /etc/debian_version file there, and assuming it's a debian install. It has no way of knowing whether that install is functioning correctly |
| 12:22.59 | pksadiq | dionysus69: By the way, If you are using GNOME3, I would suggest you to install Moka Icon theme, or some similar icon theme. The default one seems not that good for me. |
| 12:23.14 | strk | the lubuntu install is almost done |
| 12:23.24 | dionysus69 | pksadiq: ye default sucks |
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| 12:23.35 | strk | while the firmware-equipped debian images linked above... the page is blank here |
| 12:23.40 | dionysus69 | pksadiq: what are you using btw? |
| 12:23.48 | strk | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 12:25.05 | salaet | Hello |
| 12:25.07 | strk | do you know of any commercial laptop out there that does not require proprietary firmware to be used ? |
| 12:25.22 | tremon | try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.2.0/amd64/ |
| 12:25.27 | pksadiq | dionysus69: Moka Icon theme, for sure. Also, Though I hate Ubuntu (and their non-free philosophy), I use the Ubuntu Icon set as default, which is very nice |
| 12:25.49 | salaet | Any body knows any website with updated information about how to config ntp to sync on boot?, or wich log files need to see to check if anything is worng? |
| 12:26.05 | pksadiq | dionysus69: I mean the Ubuntu fonts, not icons* |
| 12:26.08 | dionysus69 | pksadiq: i meant are you using gnome or kde or what? |
| 12:26.24 | pksadiq | dionysus69: GNOME, with GNOME shell |
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| 12:26.36 | dionysus69 | ok then I have a question |
| 12:27.01 | strk | tremon: that worked, thanks, downloading the firmware version, might try later |
| 12:27.08 | dionysus69 | I installed gnome-core and I dont have shortcuts for alt + right click resize or alt + left click drag windows, how do I get it? |
| 12:27.13 | pksadiq | dionysus69: Don't ask me anything that requires something to be downloaded. I have ~2Kbps speed right now |
| 12:27.14 | strk | once lubuntu has finished |
| 12:27.26 | Jonnyw2k | Quick one, when installing debian it said I needed some non-free stuff for my wifi adapters, but I didnt have the files handy, how can I find out what files I need now? and install them? |
| 12:27.37 | strk | jelly: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.2.0/amd64/ |
| 12:27.45 | strk | Jonnyw2k: ^^ (not for jelly) |
| 12:27.59 | dionysus69 | pksadiq: i researched and google says it requires ccsm but its not in debian repositories anymore right? |
| 12:28.08 | strk | Jonnyw2k: my installer told me the name of the firmware, btw |
| 12:28.24 | Jonnyw2k | strk, mine did, I was too lazy to write it down |
| 12:28.35 | strk | Jonnyw2k: alternatively: 13:38 < ewew> stk download this https://packages.debian.org/sk/jessie/firmware-realtek a put it on usb stick.Before boot put in the stick and when it ask for firmware say yes. |
| 12:28.49 | strk | oh, sorry, that's only for "realtek"... |
| 12:29.07 | Jonnyw2k | strk, one of mine was realtek |
| 12:29.14 | strk | good |
| 12:29.19 | Jonnyw2k | some where just generic looking non-free ones |
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| 12:29.28 | intelikey | hi i have a debian cd image and a boot.img.gz for net install, i only have two usb thumb drives to play with. one has debian installed on it (running) what would be the easiest way to install linux on the other one ? |
| 12:29.36 | strk | let me know how it goes as for now I reverted to a lubuntu installer instead.. |
| 12:29.55 | Jonnyw2k | is there anyway I can "merge" them into my current iso/bootable usb flash? |
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| 12:30.33 | Jonnyw2k | guessing add the debs to wherever and add them to the packages list file? |
| 12:30.34 | strk | Jonnyw2k: I tried but ISO fs is considered readonly |
| 12:30.55 | Jonnyw2k | Strk mines on a usb so I might get lucky |
| 12:31.04 | strk | mine too are on usb |
| 12:31.06 | Jonnyw2k | not the iso, its bootable |
| 12:31.31 | strk | what filesystem type ? |
| 12:31.34 | Jonnyw2k | ie its an extracted iso |
| 12:31.35 | Jonnyw2k | fat32 |
| 12:31.43 | strk | how did you create it ? |
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| 12:31.50 | Jonnyw2k | rufus on windows |
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| 12:31.52 | strk | used dd if=theiso of=/dev/sdb |
| 12:32.06 | strk | how do you create bootable fat32 extracts of isos ? |
| 12:32.12 | strk | from a GNU/Linus ? |
| 12:32.14 | strk | *linux |
| 12:32.49 | themill | the install guide explains how |
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| 12:33.16 | Jonnyw2k | pretty sure you just need to copy the files accross and install syslinux |
| 12:33.44 | Jonnyw2k | and set the partition as active (or whatever the bootflag is) |
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| 12:34.53 | Jonnyw2k | I broke a usb drive once with DD so I tend to stay away from using it |
| 12:35.38 | blind | I always use dd :p |
| 12:35.59 | themill | (or just use cp which is simpler) |
| 12:36.02 | strk | /dev/sdb1 * 0 1136639 568320 0 Empty |
| 12:36.02 | strk | /dev/sdb2 4244 5651 704 ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32) |
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| 12:36.13 | pksadiq | dionysus69: I haven't used that way yet. Is this working for you: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28514/how-to-get-altright-mouse-to-resize-windows-again |
| 12:36.31 | strk | I guess I'll use the Empty part to create a new partition for the firmware then |
| 12:36.45 | Jonnyw2k | I have lots of issues with gnome at the moment |
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| 12:37.27 | strk | /dev/sdb contains GPT signatures <-- what's GPT signatures ? |
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| 12:38.25 | dionysus69 | pksadiq: thanks so much that worked! |
| 12:38.35 | dionysus69 | its great you should get it too |
| 12:38.55 | dionysus69 | very handy, you will never again will have to look for corners to resize haha |
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| 12:42.41 | Jonnyw2k | GUID Partition Table |
| 12:42.52 | strk | ok now I have /dev/sdb1 being a vfat and I copied firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb there |
| 12:42.58 | strk | and /dev/sdb2 being the iso fs |
| 12:43.05 | Jonnyw2k | GPT is EFI, MBR is BIOS |
| 12:43.06 | strk | not sure how much of a mess that is |
| 12:43.07 | Jonnyw2k | basically |
| 12:43.14 | strk | but I can mount both partitions successfully |
| 12:43.34 | strk | automount reports /dev/sdb1 (the vfat one) as being labeled "Debian 8.2 etc etc" |
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| 12:43.45 | strk | which sounds incorrect, but I hope it doesn't matter ? |
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| 12:43.55 | strk | /dev/sdb1 on /media/strk/Debian 8.2.0 M-A 1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2) |
| 12:44.14 | afidegnum | hello, on the terminal, this command is not working for me , sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kivy-team/kivy |
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| 12:44.22 | afidegnum | wat's the correct command? |
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| 12:44.35 | strk | lubuntu install completed, meanwhile |
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| 12:45.19 | strk | botting it now |
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| 12:46.13 | DrOwl | Hi All, Has any one got solution for getting Bluetooth headsets to work with 8.2 / Jessy ? |
| 12:46.27 | pksadiq | dionysus69: Well, most of the time, I'm inside GNU Emacs. I require not much to resize a window. :-) |
| 12:46.44 | DrOwl | I can get it to work as headphoes but the Mic will not work |
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| 12:47.16 | DrOwl | oh and s/Jessy/jessie/ |
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| 12:47.43 | Simplar | Hello. How to setup PHP's mail function properly in Debian 7? |
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| 12:48.29 | Jonnyw2k | DrOwl, |
| 12:48.32 | Jonnyw2k | oops |
| 12:48.36 | Jonnyw2k | DrOwl, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1044715.html |
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| 12:50.07 | Jonnyw2k | DrOwl, sorry that appears not to fix it :/ |
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| 12:52.04 | Jonnyw2k | ahhh I might be quite lucky |
| 12:52.11 | Jonnyw2k | I have no non-free on my install usb |
| 12:52.23 | Jonnyw2k | so I might get away with adding those folders to my usb drive |
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| 12:53.31 | dionysus69 | pksadiq: oh you are one of those ok :D |
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| 12:58.58 | strk | alright my new usb key manually crafted doesn't boot |
| 12:59.49 | schuschu | Manually crafted sounds awesome:D |
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| 13:01.41 | strk | yeah, well trying the firmware-equipped image next |
| 13:02.05 | strk | argh, no other key works now, I wonder if the bios was modified |
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| 13:02.15 | strk | actually, I dunno how to enter the bios config |
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| 13:02.33 | Jonnyw2k | iwlwifi-2030-6 and iwlwifi-2030-6 |
| 13:02.33 | Jonnyw2k | iwlwifi-2030-6 and iwlwifi-2030-5 |
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| 13:06.16 | dionysus69 | does anyone here use pgadmin3? It crashes no matter where i right click |
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| 13:09.05 | strk | there, it was the BIOS's fault, not my handcrafted key |
| 13:09.25 | Jonnyw2k | just a quick one, the release file on the firmware cd is missing the "non-free" part in componenets? |
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| 13:10.13 | SynrG | it doesn't need it. |
| 13:10.19 | Jonnyw2k | strange |
| 13:10.37 | Jonnyw2k | I just tried adding the non-free stuff to my current installer and it still couldnt find the files |
| 13:10.39 | SynrG | the firmware is provided as files. once you have the files, you don't need the non-free archive area for anything |
| 13:11.08 | Jonnyw2k | I've moved them to the /firmware folder on the root of my usb |
| 13:11.14 | SynrG | at least, i assume. haven't actually looked at how it is put together |
| 13:11.14 | Jonnyw2k | see if it can find them there |
| 13:11.35 | SynrG | but you could get the unofficial image and tear it apart to verify if what i said is true |
| 13:11.47 | Jonnyw2k | unofficial? |
| 13:11.52 | SynrG | !firmware image |
| 13:11.52 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 13:12.06 | Jonnyw2k | thats what I think is wrong lol |
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| 13:12.32 | SynrG | as i said, my assumption is, if it hasn't non-free in Release, then it provides them as files where the installer can find them |
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| 13:12.56 | SynrG | once the system is installed with appropriate firmware files, there's no need for apt to have non-free |
| 13:13.13 | Jonnyw2k | Also me UEFI still has the old disto listed for it :/ |
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| 13:13.25 | SynrG | some users who only need non-free for the firmware might appreciate not having their systems 'tainted' by further non-free stuff |
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| 13:14.14 | moty66 | hello, I have a USB modem which works fine with hyla fax to receive and send, is there any way to use this modem to make a phone call? |
| 13:14.55 | Jonnyw2k | SynrG, my new cd works fine :D |
| 13:15.58 | SynrG | Jonnyw2k: ok. but as for your original question, are you satisfied with my answer? does it check out with the assumption i made? |
| 13:16.18 | Jonnyw2k | SynrG, I did that thing where I made 2 changes so I don't know which one worked |
| 13:16.20 | SynrG | i.e. it may not need non-free so long as d-i knows where to grab those files |
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| 13:16.48 | Jonnyw2k | yeah but when I first booted with those files in place it couldnt find them |
| 13:17.12 | SynrG | they could just be provided as a pile of firmware files, or pile of firmware debs, and d-i knows how to match the files/debs that it needs and install them, without apt being tainted with non-free |
| 13:17.28 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 13:17.30 | Jonnyw2k | when I added the files to the /firmware/ on the usb root, and updated the "release" file in /dist/jessie/ to include non-free I was able to find the files |
| 13:17.42 | SynrG | dunno how your custom installer differs from the unofficial firmware images, so i can't say |
| 13:17.54 | SynrG | i assume there are some hooks in there |
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| 13:17.59 | SynrG | they may be missing from yours |
| 13:18.02 | Jonnyw2k | Mines the official BD from Jidgo |
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| 13:18.11 | Jonnyw2k | yeah |
| 13:18.13 | SynrG | the official free one? yeah |
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| 13:18.20 | Jonnyw2k | SynrG, BD1 |
| 13:18.28 | SynrG | you might be missing stuff. check out the unofficial firmware source and see what they do there. |
| 13:18.38 | SynrG | i.e. something *other* than non-free in the release file |
| 13:18.58 | Jonnyw2k | Do they do non-free Bluray isos? |
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| 13:19.23 | strk | now installing from firmware-8.2 iso |
| 13:19.37 | strk | and watching tty4.... |
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| 13:20.30 | Jonnyw2k | strk, is it working? just out of interest lol |
| 13:20.49 | strk | Jonnyw2k: so far so good |
| 13:20.53 | SynrG | Jonnyw2k: i doubt it |
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| 13:21.19 | SynrG | Jonnyw2k: what i mean is, look at the source for the unofficial firmware netinst and see what they're doing there to find/automatically install firmware. |
| 13:21.29 | SynrG | it probably differs from your method |
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| 13:21.36 | Jonnyw2k | SynrG, I'm not that technical |
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| 13:21.57 | SynrG | why are you making a custom installer, then? that's technical. |
| 13:22.01 | Jonnyw2k | it looks like the official symlinks from the /firmware folder so adding what I needed there might have fixed it |
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| 13:22.25 | Jonnyw2k | SynrG, its moderate :P |
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| 13:22.36 | strk | Jonnyw2k: did your manually copying firmware to the install usb key work ? |
| 13:22.42 | SynrG | it's advanced enough so that "look at the source" shouldn't be scary |
| 13:22.44 | Jonnyw2k | yeah |
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| 13:23.04 | strk | pity I hadn't fixed the BIOS before overriding the manually-crafted usbkey |
| 13:23.10 | SynrG | "i can't be arsed to" is a valid reply :) |
| 13:23.12 | strk | as now I can't tell if it would have worked |
| 13:23.19 | SynrG | if your method works, go for it. |
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| 13:23.40 | Jonnyw2k | strk, I copied what I needed to the /firmware folder |
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| 13:23.57 | SynrG | but if you wanted to understand why the unofficial image works differently from yours, "look at the source" is probably the best way |
| 13:24.04 | SynrG | rather than reverse-engineering the already built product |
| 13:24.11 | Jonnyw2k | Ok I broke it |
| 13:24.16 | strk | Jonnyw2k: how did you go from the .iso file to the vfat fs ? |
| 13:24.27 | Jonnyw2k | It can't find my kernel now in the apt repo |
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| 13:24.43 | strk | mount && cp -R isomount vfatmount ? |
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| 13:24.54 | Jonnyw2k | winrar lol |
| 13:25.06 | strk | :/ |
| 13:25.18 | strk | forgot Jonnyw2k was coming from windows |
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| 13:25.36 | Jonnyw2k | I play alot of games, so I like windows |
| 13:25.42 | Jonnyw2k | but my laptops normally run linux |
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| 13:27.00 | SynrG | pro tip. windows is a lousy dev environment. :p |
| 13:27.40 | Jonnyw2k | notepad++ is fine |
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| 13:28.07 | SynrG | it's not any one tool. it's just ... forget it. if you're happy with it, use whatever you like. :) |
| 13:28.52 | strk | libc-bin trigger <-- last line from tty4, it's been there for some time now |
| 13:28.57 | strk | and ping doesn't respond anymore |
| 13:29.08 | strk | uhm, nor ENTER key helps |
| 13:29.12 | strk | I guess I'm stuck again |
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| 13:29.59 | strk | well, back to lubuntu, sorry, will try in another 10 years |
| 13:30.27 | strk | pity that even those who sell preinstalled have an hard time offering debian |
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| 13:31.30 | jelle | can you build ubuntu packages with pbuilder on debian, I see that ubuntu provides the debain keyring package so it's possible from ubuntu |
| 13:32.26 | jelle | or somehow import the pgp keyring I guess |
| 13:32.44 | SynrG | strk: your experience is atypical. most installs are pretty smooth. but if you've given up already, good luck. |
| 13:33.13 | strk | SynrG: on laptops ? |
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| 13:33.26 | strk | I'm actually thinking to send this one back |
| 13:33.29 | SynrG | if you wanted to make it better for people on this hardware, you could gather what info you can and file an installation-report |
| 13:34.04 | strk | can it be a restricted boot kind of thing ? |
| 13:34.09 | SynrG | just some obvious things to check ... you created a big enough partition to install into? |
| 13:34.24 | SynrG | hm. you mean UEFI? |
| 13:34.28 | Jonnyw2k | I broke my installer |
| 13:34.30 | Jonnyw2k | wtf! :( |
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| 13:35.01 | greycat | jelle: you can attempt to do the backport procedure with ubuntu source code, but there are no guarantees it will work |
| 13:35.11 | jelle | greycat: hmmm? |
| 13:35.20 | greycat | jelle: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:35.22 | jelle | greycat: I only need to somehow get the keyring from 12.04 I think |
| 13:35.23 | SynrG | !installation report |
| 13:35.24 | dpkg | well, installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
| 13:36.29 | SynrG | strk: it's a bit dated sometimes, but there's DebianOn in the wiki |
| 13:36.40 | greycat | jelle: building packages has nothing to do with keyrings. |
| 13:37.03 | jelle | greycat: sure it does since debootstrap fails with unkown key error |
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| 13:37.27 | jelle | greycat: http://dpaste.com/24KTX4N |
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| 13:41.43 | Jonnyw2k | How do I rename my UEFI entry? |
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| 13:45.30 | tremon | Jonnyw2k: using efibootmgr -L usually, not sure how to configure auto-generation of efi boot entries |
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| 13:46.11 | Jonnyw2k | tremon, cool Kali is called ubuntu |
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| 13:46.16 | Jonnyw2k | and my debian is called Fedora |
| 13:46.21 | Jonnyw2k | it gets very confusing lol |
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| 13:52.17 | DrOwl | Jonnyw2k: Oh sorry got distracted by work, Thanks for looking =) |
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| 13:54.02 | DrOwl | Ya the problem is Bluez removed support for HSP/HFP in 5.0, suggesting something else is used, seems the something else is not included in Jessie (Yet) |
| 13:54.39 | DrOwl | I am considering trying to downgrde to a pre 5.x version |
| 13:54.43 | Jonnyw2k | turns out I dont need the repos |
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| 13:54.51 | DrOwl | Im sure its not that simple though |
| 13:54.54 | Jonnyw2k | I just need the packages in the /firmware/ folder |
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| 13:55.02 | Jonnyw2k | on the usb root |
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| 13:57.00 | DrOwl | Seems there is a bug already bug=757731 |
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| 13:59.07 | tremon | I don't think "something else is used" is correct. from what I understood, HSP/HFP only worked with alsa and the entire alsa backend was dropped with bluez5 |
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| 14:25.13 | hashtag_ | hi |
| 14:25.18 | hashtag_ | So molly-guard doesn't work with tmux. |
| 14:25.32 | hashtag_ | Which is bad because I can accidentally restart the server when I use tmux (and I use tmux very often). |
| 14:25.48 | hashtag_ | I read about a thread in the debian mailing list on fixing this issue. However, I don't find it conclusive. |
| 14:26.12 | hashtag_ | One user posts he has fixed it (patch), on the other hand I have latest molly-guard installed and it still doesn't work in tmux. |
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| 14:32.57 | petn-randall | hashtag_: What is exactly the problem you see? |
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| 14:35.14 | hashtag_ | petn-randall: when I run a command that would shutdown or reboot the system molly-guard should ask me first for the host-name to verify that I really want to do this. |
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| 14:35.21 | hashtag_ | petn-randall: However, it won't ask me when I am in a tmux session. |
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| 14:36.09 | strk | so, lubuntu 15.10 installed fine, but it's still not a 100% working setup, like... it does NOT shutdown cleanly (hangs there with the animation of closing down) |
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| 14:36.42 | markybob | strk, why is lubuntu our problem? |
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| 14:37.41 | petn-randall | strk: You can ask in #ubuntu for support. This channel is only for Debian stable support. |
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| 14:38.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone |
| 14:38.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | raid recovery down to 1.9 megabytes of bad unrecoverable data out of 3TB |
| 14:38.57 | petn-randall | hashtag_: I see. According to the description, if run non-interactively or locally, it will skip this question. Seems like it's the case when running from tmux. |
| 14:38.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | do you think that enough data is good to regenerate one 3TB drive out of an 8 drive raid 5 array that way? |
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| 14:39.42 | hashtag_ | petn-randall: yes, this makes sense. I hope they will fix it at some point. |
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| 14:40.57 | petn-randall | THE_GFR|WORK: I don't know how we should answer your question. If you say that 1.9 MB are unrecoverable, I guess the answer is that that's the amount of data that is lost. |
| 14:41.53 | petn-randall | THE_GFR|WORK: This could of course be files on the RAID, or meta-data, in which case this might amplify. If it's 1.9 MB from a LUKS header, all data would be lost. |
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| 14:42.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: I have an 8 drive raid on an LSI MegaRaid SAS controller, two drives went bad because I wasn't properly notified about errors. I imaged the first failed drive ( the one that wasn't as bad ) this is drive 2 out of 8. It started getting errors 1.7TB into 3TB so 56% basically |
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| 14:43.29 | petn-randall | THE_GFR|WORK: This is mdraid, or LSI RAID? |
| 14:43.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: I'm trying to put the drive back in and have it regenerate the other failed drive |
| 14:43.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: LSI MegaRaid |
| 14:44.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: technically it's 1912kb of data I can't recover as of yet |
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| 14:45.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: I've never had drives go bad in an array like this and so therefore I am not 100% sure of the replacement procedure |
| 14:45.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | although I can image the drive easily with ddresceu |
| 14:45.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | ddrescue |
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| 14:45.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | what I mean by that is that I wasn't sure if I had to turn the array off to replace drives or not. |
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| 14:46.07 | petn-randall | THE_GFR|WORK: Can you recover from backups? |
| 14:46.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: this basically IS the backup |
| 14:46.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: the originals were destroyed. |
| 14:46.53 | SkyFall | Hello, friends. Is sid still unusable? |
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| 14:47.11 | greycat | Sid is perpetually unstable. It never is anything else. |
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| 14:47.42 | ewew | SkyFall Still In Development = SID |
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| 14:47.50 | greycat | it doesn't actually stand for that |
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| 14:48.04 | greycat | Sid is the mean boy who broke all the toys. |
| 14:48.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: what I have as a major issue is that the MSM could not email me on errors. |
| 14:48.11 | ewew | greycat ok. nevermind. |
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| 14:48.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: also, the MSM won't show you the SMART values for each individual drive in the array which is stupid |
| 14:48.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | and if it can I can't figure out how to do it through the MSM GUI |
| 14:49.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | so I pretty much screwed myself into a hole |
| 14:49.26 | JyZyXEL | thats very common in the storage game |
| 14:49.34 | petn-randall | THE_GFR|WORK: Maybe you can ask LSI how to recover from that. |
| 14:49.41 | SkyFall | Uhh, I used sid for a long time.. until transitions started and packages got frozen, dunno what to install now. |
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| 14:50.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | petn-randall: yea you're right I might be able to, imaging the drive however is my best bet. |
| 14:50.24 | greycat | SkyFall: the purpose of Sid (unstable) is for the developers to upload a package that has compiled (yay!) but hasn't been tested yet. |
| 14:50.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | JyZyXEL: you mean not seeing the SMART data for the individual drives? |
| 14:50.40 | greycat | If you use sid, you are testing their packages for them and reporting bugs. |
| 14:50.45 | petn-randall | SkyFall: sid never gets frozen. It's usable to test the bleeding edge packages in Debian before they go into the staging area for our next release. It shouldn't be used for anything else. |
| 14:50.50 | JyZyXEL | THE_GFR|WORK: bad decisions that come back to bite you |
| 14:51.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | JyZyXEL: well, the bad decision wasn't really my fault per se. |
| 14:51.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | JyZyXEL: the problem was that I could not see SMART for the drives, and I could not get email alerts from the system. |
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| 14:52.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | if I had either of those avaliable I would have replaced the drives on-time and under budget without data loss. |
| 14:52.26 | SkyFall | And I used it on daily basic and didn't report bugs as it was stable... well... shall I install stretch or go search other distros? |
| 14:53.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | SkyFall: I like... Linux Mint except Ubuntu is the only Linux out there that I know of that does upgrades between versions properly |
| 14:53.10 | greycat | SkyFall: if you're one of the "OH MY GOD IT'S 11 MONTHS OLD I CAN'T USE THIS CAVEMAN SHIT GET ME OUT OF HERE" people, then Debian may not be for you. |
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| 14:53.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | greycat: PLEASE don't look at my server. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* *cough* *cough* 6 years old debain *cough* |
| 14:54.39 | greycat | THE_GFR|WORK: my desktop machine is running HP-UX 10.20 from 1995-ish |
| 14:55.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | greycat: at least it's not that horrible OS from those DEC servers from years ago... |
| 14:55.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | greycat: openVMS or whatever |
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| 14:55.49 | greycat | I never did VMS. |
| 14:55.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | greycat: I had to get data off of an VMS web server that was from 1993 |
| 14:56.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | greycat: they were scsi drives too! |
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| 14:56.14 | SkyFall | So... let's try setting up stable on x220 tablet |
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| 15:07.30 | greycat | I believe the oldest Debian machine I can reach right now is 5.0.10 |
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| 15:14.11 | keith4_ | trying to backport the 'broctl' package to Jessie... apt-get source -b broctl decides to use the 'bro' source package instead of 'broctl' source package, so it never builds the broctl package |
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| 15:18.49 | tatyana33 | Hi anybody can help me? |
| 15:19.26 | apeexius | No idea |
| 15:19.32 | greycat | Not until you ask a question. |
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| 15:20.13 | tatyana33 | yes greycat, ten point ;) |
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| 15:21.07 | tatyana33 | sorry for my english. i try to install my first linux with debian but my wifi don't work |
| 15:21.19 | tatyana33 | ;( |
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| 15:23.51 | apeexius | By not working, is it reading your wifi networks? What happens when you write ifconfig in the terminal? |
| 15:24.56 | Shufflebox | Iâm running Jessie and am bumping into the libvorbis bug reported in bug report 782831 when running dhewm3. The fix appears to have been committed for 1.3.4-3 on September 22, but it doesnât seem like 1.3.4-3 is available yet. Iâm just rather ignorant on the patch/release cycle. What type of timeline do bug fix patches generally have in Stable? |
| 15:25.54 | tatyana33 | mmm mi wireless card not work |
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| 15:26.11 | greycat | Shufflebox: looks like it won't be fixed in stable. The package was uploaded to unstable. |
| 15:26.30 | greycat | ,v libvorbis |
| 15:26.31 | judd | No package named 'libvorbis' was found in amd64. |
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| 15:26.38 | greycat | gumble grumble |
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| 15:26.48 | greycat | ,v libvorbis-dev |
| 15:26.49 | judd | Package: libvorbis-dev on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.3.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.3.1-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3.2-1.3; jessie: 1.3.4-2; sid: 1.3.4-3; stretch: 1.3.4-3 |
| 15:27.06 | apeexius | tatyana33 the more information you can provide, the better we can help you |
| 15:27.17 | greycat | It's in stretch (testing) but not officially backported. You could build your own backport. |
| 15:27.37 | dionysus69 | what music player do you recommend? would be nice if it made my life easier syncing android |
| 15:27.37 | tatyana33 | thanks for your help apeexius |
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| 15:27.59 | steelcowboy | Is there any way to change the naming scheme of the kernel and initrd? |
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| 15:28.04 | Shufflebox | Thanks for the info. |
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| 15:31.46 | Shufflebox | Iâll look at doing that if itâs not likely to appear in stable. I didnât know if it was just hung up in some testing workflow, or not going to show up in stable ever. :) |
| 15:31.49 | Shufflebox | thanks again |
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| 15:35.01 | greycat | Shufflebox: bug fixes that are not security related or otherwise major will not go into stable |
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| 15:37.30 | Shufflebox | greycat: makes sense. Iâll consider moving to unstable. |
| 15:37.42 | greycat | Shufflebox: no, just backport the package. |
| 15:37.46 | dionysus69 | is there an analogous tool in debian for full system backup similar to windows system image backup? |
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| 15:38.03 | greycat | I'd have our bot tell you how to do that but the bot is missing :( |
| 15:38.10 | Filystyn | zz need wxWidgets 2.9 at least so what is the proper name of package |
| 15:38.11 | Shufflebox | XD |
| 15:38.15 | Filystyn | it is kind of messed up in rep |
| 15:38.30 | Shufflebox | Iâll try my google-fu. Iâm sure the info is out there. |
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| 15:38.37 | dionysus69 | greycat: just tell me the name of the package or tool i will look it up :) |
| 15:39.02 | Filystyn | \i hope it is the old fucking stable version |
| 15:39.11 | Filystyn | I am fucking tired of idiots |
| 15:39.18 | Filystyn | who make you get the newest version of libs |
| 15:39.28 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: dpkg has dropped out of freenode#debian |
| 15:39.40 | Filystyn | HELLO I NEED HELP DEBIAN FRIENDS |
| 15:39.44 | greycat | dionysus69: I wasn't talking to you. |
| 15:40.07 | dionysus69 | greycat: ok sry heh |
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| 15:40.56 | Filystyn | i SAID i need help |
| 15:41.19 | ewew | jhutchins Why did it fail ? |
| 15:42.30 | greycat | Filystyn: are you asking for the name of the development package for wxwidgets? |
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| 15:43.35 | greycat | Oh god, this looks really complicated. |
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| 15:44.33 | ewew | greycat "dpkg" got wacked by something ? |
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| 15:45.03 | greycat | 11:04 = dpkg [~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 15:45.10 | greycat | 41 minutes ago |
| 15:45.22 | ewew | greycat Caught in netsplit ? |
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| 15:46.11 | greycat | that isn't the typical netsplit message |
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| 15:46.41 | ewew | Channel is working and this bot is not needed for run of the channel. |
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| 15:49.55 | Shufflebox | greycat: RE: backporting - http://serverfault.com/a/581884 This sounds straight forward. Iâll give it a go tonight. |
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| 15:51.35 | jhutchins | ewew: It happens sometimes. |
| 15:52.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey so does anyone think I should try to recover all 1908 kilobytes of data on this raid drive? |
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| 15:53.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | or should I see if it can regenerate the one bad drive with the data it has, and THEN wipe this drive again and have IT regenerate? |
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| 15:54.39 | ewew | jhutchins It is running only on one server ? |
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| 15:55.11 | jhutchins | ewew: I have no idea of it's structure, I presume it runs on an independent system. It's not part of freenode. |
| 15:55.37 | ewew | jhutchins ok |
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| 15:56.36 | Bombo | hi |
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| 15:58.41 | Bombo | is this bug fixed in sid? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61998 |
| 15:58.59 | greycat | I would read the URL you just pasted to find out. |
| 15:59.15 | greycat | oh. wait. that wasn't a debian bug url. it's some other thing. |
| 15:59.27 | Bombo | i'm using jessie, and keep getting those msgs 'udisksd[1202]: Error performing initial housekeeping for drive' 'updating SMART data: sk_disk_check_sleep_mode: Operation not supported (udisks-error-quark, 0)' |
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| 15:59.31 | greycat | Is the bug REPORTED in debian? What's the debian bug URL? |
| 16:00.51 | petn-randall | Bombo: I assume it's still open since it's not even fixed upstream. |
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| 16:01.28 | Bombo | petn-randall: whats 'upstream'? |
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| 16:01.48 | greycat | Upstream is the origin of the software. Where Debian downloads the source code from. |
| 16:01.53 | markybob | pretty damn easy to fix it yourself, though. upstream has a patch in that bug report |
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| 16:01.58 | petn-randall | Bombo: Upstream is where the program is developed, downstream is where the distros are, like Debian. |
| 16:02.08 | Bombo | petn-randall: ah ok |
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| 16:10.30 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 16:10.30 | dpkg | Since Fri Oct 23 16:07:06 2015, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 3m 24s this session, and currently reference 40215 factoids. I'm using about 34704 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.74/0.2 child 0/0.01 |
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| 16:13.52 | BadCodSmell | I'm using %:dh $@.... how do I get it to build a separate debug package |
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| 16:14.29 | BadCodSmell | Using debhelper 9 |
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| 16:15.45 | BadCodSmell | When I use an override for dhstrip it just builds what appear to be empty packages, instead of 19k I get two 2k packages |
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| 16:17.18 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
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| 16:17.58 | finetundra2234 | is there any slogan for debian? |
| 16:18.03 | finetundra2234 | Just curious |
| 16:18.47 | BadCodSmell | "The hobbyists distrobution"? |
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| 16:19.26 | Enuiga | "Ubuntu hardcore"? |
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| 16:19.36 | BadCodSmell | The original ubuntu? |
| 16:19.41 | petn-randall | finetundra2234: I think it's "the universal operating system". |
| 16:20.17 | petn-randall | BadCodSmell: You might want to ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (a different network), where the main support for packaging is. |
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| 16:21.12 | finetundra2234 | Thanks fellas |
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| 16:23.24 | Enuiga | I think i will try Debian, i have problems with Ubuntu and probably need install operating system again anyway. Only problem is that i have mdadm mirroring raid and have not idea how to make it work with new debian installing. |
| 16:24.00 | BadCodSmell | I'll just use -k it's much easier unfortunately. |
| 16:24.20 | Enuiga | Best case is if i can make it work only with installing mdadm and copying some line of code of some file. But easy ways do not normally work. |
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| 16:26.09 | petn-randall | Enuiga: mdadm is supported. But do you have any unused partition to install to? |
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| 16:27.48 | Enuiga | petn-randall: i will wipe my old xubuntu installation, it is on ssd and i have two harddrives too. |
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| 16:28.04 | Enuiga | xubuntu=Ubuntu |
| 16:28.07 | greycat | MD arrays are supported during the install |
| 16:28.35 | petn-randall | Enuiga: So is there any data on those disks you'd like to keep? |
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| 16:30.49 | Enuiga | petn-randall: at regular harddrives, yes. They are now on mirroring mdadm RAID. Of course i need backup them before trying anything. I have full backup of that SSD drive. |
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| 16:35.51 | fnstudio | hi! what's the best way to run docker on my debian sid? |
| 16:36.16 | fnstudio | `apt-get install docker.io` gives me docker 1.7.1 |
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| 16:37.16 | fnstudio | i'd rather use a slightly out-of-date version than relying on a non-debian repo (namely the docker repo) |
| 16:37.22 | petn-randall | fnstudio: Looks to me like docker 1.7.1 is also docker. |
| 16:37.34 | greycat | I think he's answering himself. |
| 16:37.35 | fnstudio | but i was curious to know some else's take on this |
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| 16:38.10 | petn-randall | ,v docker.io |
| 16:38.11 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.1~dfsg1-1; sid: 1.7.1~dfsg1-1 |
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| 16:38.40 | fnstudio | petn-randall: yep, latest version is 1.8 and i was wondering (i am not an expert) whether 1.7 vs 1.8 was big diff |
| 16:38.47 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 16:38.47 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:39.02 | greycat | Oh cool, dpkg came back. |
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| 16:39.11 | Enuiga | Is it even possible that installer should recognice my raid and i do not need do anything? Probably not, it sound like windows behaviour. |
| 16:39.13 | petn-randall | fnstudio: I'd always go with the packaged version unless you have compelling reasons not to. |
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| 16:39.46 | greycat | Enuiga: it probably will, but I have never tried it so I can't be certain |
| 16:39.49 | petn-randall | Enuiga: The installer will detect mdraid, LVM volumes and LUKS containers just fine. You still have to tell it what you want to do with it, though. |
| 16:39.53 | fnstudio | petn-randall: i totally agree (and tx for the Shiny New Shit quote :)) |
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| 16:40.39 | junixbr | hi there |
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| 16:40.41 | Enuiga | petn-randall: do i need use command line to tell it? |
| 16:40.56 | petn-randall | Enuiga: I don't think so. Try it and see. |
| 16:41.21 | junixbr | is there some way to verify every hour if my package list was changed? |
| 16:41.31 | junixbr | if someone install or remove some software? |
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| 16:41.38 | greycat | save the list to a file and compare it with "cmp" |
| 16:41.41 | Enuiga | petn-randall: yes. Probably tomorrow. |
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| 16:41.57 | greycat | or with diff if you want to see the differences |
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| 16:42.47 | junixbr | greycat: ok, I thought that with dpkg I could do this |
| 16:42.56 | jhutchins | junixbr: Why do people have permission to add and remove software from your system? |
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| 16:43.14 | greycat | junixbr: yes, you would use dpkg to generate the lists that you compare with cmp or with diff. |
| 16:43.17 | junixbr | jhutchins: they don't |
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| 16:43.48 | junixbr | it is just to control with was installed or removed |
| 16:44.02 | junixbr | greycat: thank you |
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| 16:50.05 | jhutchins | junixbr: There is also a log where any installs or removals are recorded. |
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| 16:51.00 | Bombo | hmmm i see a suggestion in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53475 to add a new udev rule, so i added 'SUBSYSTEM=="block", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{vendor}=="WDC WD20", ENV{ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART}="0", ENV{ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART_ENABLED}="0"' to /etc/udev/rules.d/98-hdd-smart-fix does that look ok as a udev rule? |
| 16:51.23 | Bombo | is there a #udev chan? ;) |
| 16:51.49 | junixbr | jhutchins: nice, I'll check |
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| 16:51.51 | greycat | When I type /list #udev there appears to be. |
| 16:51.52 | junixbr | thank you |
| 16:51.53 | blind | there is a #udev |
| 16:52.09 | Bombo | yep, xposted there too |
| 16:54.00 | Bombo | it doesn't seem to work, after repluging the usb HDD the env vars are not set (udevadm info --query=all --path=/sys/block/sdb shows both =1) |
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| 16:54.40 | ewew | Bombo http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. |
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| 16:56.16 | Bombo | ewew: yep thats what i found too, but looks like it's old |
| 16:56.31 | Bombo | ewew: 'Enter udevinfo, which is probably the most straightforward tool you can use to construct rules.' tool doesn't exist |
| 16:57.04 | Bombo | (it's today udevadm info) |
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| 17:02.19 | ewew | This might be up to date https://wiki.debian.org/udev |
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| 17:02.28 | JyZyXEL | did people notice that Debian Jessie now has PulseAudio 7.0 in the backports by the way? |
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| 17:03.38 | greycat | has no intention of ever using pulse audio |
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| 17:03.54 | greycat | if it gets installed accidentally, I'll try to figure out how to remove it safely |
| 17:04.00 | ewew | Skype needs it and i386 |
| 17:04.05 | JyZyXEL | i used to be one of those people |
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| 17:05.51 | JyZyXEL | but i since realized that pulseaudio actually works good enough now |
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| 17:07.53 | jhutchins | greycat: I had it just randomly kill my audio one day. Sound worked, machine went to secreen saver, sound didn't work an hour later. Couldn't find any combination of settings that would bring it back, includinvg reboot, so I purged pulseaudio and everthing was fine again. |
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| 17:08.39 | ewew | alsa does not have good documentation. |
| 17:08.44 | greycat | believes jhutchins more than he believes JyZyXEL on this particular issue |
| 17:08.53 | greycat | also believes ewew |
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| 17:09.10 | JyZyXEL | i think .asoundrc is the most horrible creation in the audio land |
| 17:09.24 | Enuiga | I liked lot soundcard Xoner Essence STX with linux, but linux do not have 3D sound effects... Other ways probably one of best to available. |
| 17:09.28 | ewew | http://alsa.opensrc.org/ :P |
| 17:10.03 | jhutchins | Pulesaudio runs on top of alsa, and as far as I can tell does nothing except randomly breaking it. |
| 17:10.15 | ewew | I might depend on hw how pulseaudio performs. |
| 17:10.16 | JyZyXEL | Enuiga: you gotta be really careful about picking hardware for debian systems |
| 17:10.20 | greycat | Yes, god help you if you want to write an alsa config file to select your PCI sound card instead of your motherboard chipset as the default output device. |
| 17:11.39 | ewew | You say, it can create positive feedback with no problem ? |
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| 17:12.09 | JyZyXEL | pulseaudio transparently can switch every audio stream to my bluetooth headset with a single keypress <3 |
| 17:12.10 | ewew | That will fry your sound card |
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| 17:24.19 | lautriv_ | hey there .... i try to opt initramfs-tools but somehow missing the part where standard binaries/libs are copied, could someone tell me where to dig ? |
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| 17:29.20 | greycat | lautriv_: opt? what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:30.37 | lautriv_ | greycat, booting with root on iSCSI |
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| 17:31.50 | lautriv_ | to be serious, my scrips do that since years and i want to make it work on funtoo the same. |
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| 17:49.22 | dutchfish | lautriv_, you could delve in its source https://sources.debian.net/src/initramfs-tools/0.120/ |
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| 17:50.30 | dutchfish | lautriv_, it has some dependecies tho, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/initramfs-tools |
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| 17:54.14 | lautriv_ | dutchfish, maybe i explained a bit wrong ... it's all a bunch of scripts and functions where i had already a read and grep-fu on, most stuff is around modules or script-order but i did not find the part where things like udev are collected/copied. |
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| 17:58.12 | dutchfish | lautriv_, ah ic, udev is userland as is systemd etc https://wiki.debian.org/udev |
| 17:58.51 | dutchfish | lautriv_, i thought you need the initrd and how it is maintained |
| 17:59.09 | otyugh | is there a way to know what process is taking up SWAP space ? |
| 17:59.17 | lautriv_ | dutchfish, sure udev is userland but it must be copied to a temporary dir where the initramfs gets cpio'd , i miss that copy. |
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| 18:00.19 | dutchfish | lautriv_, the hooks are in the docs https://sources.debian.net/src/initramfs-tools/0.120/docs/ |
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| 18:01.14 | dutchfish | lautriv_, or the source |
| 18:01.18 | lautriv_ | dutchfish, basic system is no hook either. |
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| 18:01.53 | dutchfish | lautriv_, maybe i misunderstood, sorry for my poor english |
| 18:02.44 | dutchfish | lautriv_, what exactly you are trying to accomplish? |
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| 18:04.38 | dutchfish | lautriv_, normally udev is driven by rulesets, module loading is handled by initrd and initramfs, some udev modules may rely on modules, thats how i understand the process |
| 18:04.59 | lautriv_ | dutchfish, see mkinitramfs does nothing else gathering environment and modules and puts it together to cpio it, all parts i had a look or grep into care about moules and some parameters but i found none who does the copy of neccessary binaries and libs (taken from running root into initramfs ) |
| 18:05.24 | dutchfish | lautriv_, correct |
| 18:06.12 | lautriv_ | now tell me where gets the minimal system copied from |
| 18:06.23 | lautriv_ | or rather "by" |
| 18:06.42 | dutchfish | lautriv_, dbootstrap |
| 18:06.49 | dutchfish | !debootstrap |
| 18:06.49 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 18:07.34 | lautriv_ | dutchfish, debootstrap is used to put a new system on another drive, that is something very different. |
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| 18:08.24 | dutchfish | lautriv_, i am sorry, maybe others can answer this better then me |
| 18:09.34 | tremon | lautriv_: the hooks are in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks |
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| 18:10.54 | tremon | if you want to add your own tools to initramfs, read them as example and put your own files in /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks (for scripts that populate the initramfs) and /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts (for scripts that run inside the initramfs |
| 18:11.01 | lautriv_ | tremon, none of the hooks is responsive for the tools one needs within initramfs, e.g. mount,udev,busybox and so on |
| 18:11.38 | tremon | my system has a /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/busybox containing the line "copy_exec ${BUSYBOXDIR}/busybox /bin/busybox" |
| 18:12.19 | lautriv_ | busybox may be special but the rest is still not there |
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| 18:13.05 | tremon | my system has a /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev containing the lines "copy_exec /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd /lib/systemd" and "copy_exec /bin/udevadm /bin" |
| 18:13.26 | tmp3k | ok im having issues with connecting to my vnc server with remote desktop I had it working now its not connecting |
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| 18:15.52 | tremon | can't find the mount command, but that's probably a busybox builtin |
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| 18:17.06 | tremon | all busybox built-ins are created as symlinks in the zz-busybox hook |
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| 18:17.47 | lautriv_ | nvm, was worth a shot. |
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| 18:21.02 | gardllok | hey guys, setting up a deb64 to be a xen server, I need to create a final partition to be used for the guest instances using lvm. Which will get set up after the main setup of the host machine. Instructions say create partition but don't format it or assign mount point. To do this can I create the partition and set as 'do not use' or do I leave the rest of the disk as 'free space' in order to achieve what I |
| 18:21.04 | gardllok | am trying to do? |
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| 18:23.45 | lautriv_ | gardllok, 'do not use' is ok, remember the partition, that is where you place the vg afterwards. |
| 18:24.35 | gardllok | lautriv_: ty ty |
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| 18:40.21 | rww | do Debian's ISOs do UEFI boot? |
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| 18:40.51 | rww | nvm, i'm an idiot, you have a factoid bot |
| 18:40.53 | rww | !uefi |
| 18:40.53 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 18:42.11 | rww | !usb3 |
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| 18:42.46 | rww | aww. anyone know if jessie's installer supports usb3 (specifically. my board has no usb2) |
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| 18:47.52 | dutchfish | rww, only if xhci is compiled in statically, unfortunitaly i dont believe it is (not sure) |
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| 18:48.30 | greycat | might be a "try it and see" thing... otherwise, the experts on that topic are on the OFTC network, in #debian-boot |
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| 18:51.19 | dutchfish | rww, or execute in term2 of the installer `modprobe -l xhci usbcore nls_base` to see if it is contained |
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| 18:51.48 | jhutchins | dutchfish: Wouldn't you have to boot to it first? |
| 18:51.56 | rww | which leads to the question of "with what keyboard". i wonder if i have a ps2 one at work... |
| 18:52.13 | dutchfish | jhutchins, argh, my mistake, you are right! |
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| 18:53.28 | rww | my uefi firmware has an option to emulate my usb keyboard as ps2, but that didn't work well with Windows 7. I guess i could try it with Debian and see |
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| 18:54.20 | rww | oh wait, i see the problem that i guess you saw already, if i'm booting from usb stick... |
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| 18:56.06 | lok | what is there inside a printer which make it a networking device? |
| 18:56.26 | greycat | depends on the printer |
| 18:56.40 | greycat | a lot of the newer, expensiver ones have built in networking |
| 18:57.08 | jhutchins | lok: The same stuff that's inside a PC that makes it a networking device. |
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| 18:57.25 | jelly | a network card and some space for the queue |
| 18:57.49 | lok | i dont know about jhutchins inner parts hence aksed |
| 18:58.00 | lok | can you please elaborate here/in pm? |
| 18:58.20 | greycat | what is there to elaborate on? it's got a place you plug a network cable into. |
| 18:58.46 | jhutchins | lok: It's the same as if you were to install a network card in a PC - the output from the network card goes to the printer's regualr input, signals from the printer go back to the network card. |
| 18:59.17 | jhutchins | lok: 10+ years ago it was an actual card that you plugged into the printer, these days it's usually built in to the main control board in the printer. |
| 18:59.46 | lok | what is that built into main control board of printer? |
| 19:00.01 | lok | is it possible to built that into mouse/keyboard/monitor also? |
| 19:00.08 | jhutchins | lok: It already has memory to store printable data, it has some additional flash memory for network settings. |
| 19:00.09 | markybob | oh dear |
| 19:00.09 | lok | if i want to make them also networking device.... |
| 19:00.38 | jhutchins | lok: Theoretically, but for mouse/keyboard there's usually somethng like bluetooth that uses radio. |
| 19:00.43 | lok | i am sorry my queries may be silly but i am very confused & passionate to learn these concepts in layman's terms greycat jhutchins markybob |
| 19:00.50 | lok | & jelly |
| 19:00.54 | jhutchins | lok: A monitor takes a lot of fast data, so it's not as practical. |
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| 19:01.34 | jhutchins | lok: You can, however, get a device that will let you connect a keyboard, monitor, and mouse over ethernet. |
| 19:03.37 | jhutchins | lok: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHY_(chip) |
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| 19:04.35 | lok | there is no article on that link jhutchins |
| 19:04.44 | cxd13 | what's the correct way to make sudoers open with visudo instead of nano? |
| 19:04.51 | lok | ok got that article jhutchins |
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| 19:05.02 | lok | ending bracket was missing |
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| 19:05.10 | jhutchins | lok: Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transceiver#Ethernet |
| 19:05.17 | cxd13 | also the reason i ask is i am making my system run a script at shutdown which has sudo in it, so i was going to make that command passwordless |
| 19:05.19 | greycat | cxd13: run the visudo command |
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| 19:05.34 | greycat | cxd13: did you mean with vim instead of nano? run update-alternatives --config editor |
| 19:05.49 | cxd13 | greycat: it will still open with nano if i enter: sudo visudo -f /etc/sudoers |
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| 19:06.23 | jhutchins | !altertnatives |
| 19:06.23 | jelly | cxd13: visudo is not an editor -- it _calls_ your favorite editor, or the system default |
| 19:07.00 | jelly | cxd13: I believe it obeys either the EDITOR or VISUAL environment variable. |
| 19:07.00 | cxd13 | is it safe to just do vi /etc/sudoers? |
| 19:07.20 | jhutchins | cxd13: Yes, the visudo wrapper just validates your syntax before it writes the file. |
| 19:07.29 | jelly | cxd13: so, as root, try to export EDITOR=vim, then do visudo |
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| 19:08.08 | jhutchins | dpkg: Are you there? |
| 19:08.09 | dpkg | jhutchins: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:08.15 | jordanm | you don't have to export separately, you can just do `EDITOR=vim visudo` |
| 19:08.19 | greycat | you misspelled alternatives |
| 19:08.20 | jhutchins | dpkg: altertatives |
| 19:08.20 | dpkg | jhutchins: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:08.26 | greycat | twice now |
| 19:08.36 | jhutchins | greycat: Funny, I can't seem to spell it right twice in a row. |
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| 19:08.50 | jhutchins | !alternatives |
| 19:08.50 | dpkg | [alternatives] the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/alternatives/Contents has a recently created list of all the available alternatives-managed paths in Debian. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives |
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| 19:09.08 | cxd13 | jelly: thanks turns out i don't have vim but it worked when i did export EDITOR=vi |
| 19:09.08 | greycat | 15:05 greycat> cxd13: did you mean with vim instead of nano? run update-alternatives --config editor |
| 19:09.09 | Zero_Chaos | Where do I find the git repo with all the patches and stuff for building debian packages? I know there is a git repo somewhere but google is failing me |
| 19:09.28 | jhutchins | cxd13: I believe you can use that system to change the default editor. |
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| 19:09.59 | cxd13 | greycat: thanks |
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| 19:10.27 | cxd13 | update-alternatives listed nano and vim.tiny |
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| 19:13.34 | tspjf | hi guys |
| 19:13.44 | shawn | hi |
| 19:13.55 | tspjf | after a upgrade i lost my 'apt-get' |
| 19:14.05 | tspjf | an** |
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| 19:14.47 | tspjf | I can't run gnome anymore |
| 19:15.00 | tspjf | but X is working |
| 19:15.18 | cxd13 | that's a really weird issue. do you still have aptitude? |
| 19:15.52 | shawn | tspjf: in bash, do this: [ -f /usr/bin/apt-get ] && echo true |
| 19:16.02 | jhutchins | tspjf: What relase are you on? |
| 19:16.05 | tspjf | only aptitude-create-state-bundle and aptitude-run-state-bundle |
| 19:16.09 | shawn | lets see if you really dont have it or your $PATH is just broken |
| 19:16.10 | tspjf | 8.2 |
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| 19:17.52 | tspjf | i don't have any apt* in my /usr/bin |
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| 19:18.32 | greycat | do you still have apt* in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
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| 19:19.30 | cxd13 | to load a kernel module at boot is there anything i need to do besides list it in /etc/modules? |
| 19:20.18 | tspjf | i have some apt*.deb in my /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 19:22.16 | tspjf | simple things like gnome-calculator are missing |
| 19:22.32 | greycat | try reinstalling the most recent apt*.deb with dpkg -i |
| 19:23.24 | tspjf | lol even man has gone |
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| 19:23.43 | greycat | do you have anything at all in /usr? |
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| 19:25.13 | tspjf | bin games include lib local sbin share src |
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| 19:25.32 | greycat | OK, well, I guess it's good that your entire /usr isn't gone. |
| 19:25.39 | tspjf | :) |
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| 19:27.43 | tspjf | I have any choice or just reinstall ? |
| 19:28.08 | greycat | were you able to dpkg -i the apt package? |
| 19:28.30 | greycat | it should be around version 1.0.9.8.1 for your version of debian |
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| 19:30.55 | tspjf | apt installed |
| 19:32.11 | tspjf | apt_0.9.7.9+deb7u7 |
| 19:32.23 | greycat | ,v apt |
| 19:32.23 | tspjf | apt-get update and upgrade again? |
| 19:32.23 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.9.8.2; sid: 1.0.10.2; stretch: 1.0.10.2; experimental: 1.1~exp14 |
| 19:32.33 | greycat | that's from wheezy, but if it works, maybe... |
| 19:33.11 | greycat | Does it run? |
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| 19:34.41 | tspjf | yes |
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| 19:39.56 | tspjf | humm |
| 19:40.04 | tspjf | update ok and upgrade ok |
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| 19:40.23 | tspjf | but my 'man' still lost |
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| 19:41.58 | greycat | tspjf: what does this say? dpkg -l man-db | tail -n 1 |
| 19:42.26 | greycat | (if you aren't pasting, the first one is dash ell and the end is dash en one) |
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| 19:45.38 | tspjf | rc man-db 2.6.2-1 amd64 on linemanual pager |
| 19:46.01 | greycat | The rc means it was installed, and then removed. |
| 19:46.12 | greycat | How exactly did you do your "upgrade"? |
| 19:46.25 | tspjf | apt-get update |
| 19:46.30 | tspjf | apt-get upgrade |
| 19:46.36 | tspjf | as always |
| 19:46.55 | greycat | You said you were on version 8.2 (jessie) but you keep showing wheezy package versions. |
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| 19:47.11 | greycat | If you're trying to upgrade from wheezy to jessie, you need dist-upgrade. |
| 19:48.33 | greycat | I'm also guessing you ran *some* kind of apt command in the past that prompted you whether it was OK to remove a whole bunch of stuff (including man-db and apt) and you said yes. |
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| 19:49.40 | tspjf | cat /etc/debian_version = 8.2 |
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| 19:50.01 | greycat | Then you have, at best, a half-upgraded box because you didn't use dist-upgrade. |
| 19:50.27 | Ooze | I created an NTFS partition on the same drive as my Debian installation, but I'm unable to access that partition via Windows |
| 19:50.41 | Ooze | It won't even let me re-format that partition from the Windows side, just gives me disk check errors |
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| 19:51.28 | Ooze | Am I doing something that's impossible or am I just going about this the wrong way? |
| 19:51.31 | tspjf | when systemd was introduced ? |
| 19:51.47 | Ooze | 8.0 |
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| 19:51.53 | greycat | It was available as a "preview" (very very optional) in wheezy. It's the default in jessie (8). |
| 19:52.37 | teclo- | hi there, I'm trying to use Rosegarden to play/write music. I'm playing a midi file, but there is no sound. Perhaps did I forget to install some package ? |
| 19:52.51 | B4bad00ki | Question for the Gurus: what is the best method of packaging multiple module updates into ONE package? to distribute to a local team |
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| 19:53.43 | tspjf | so, I was in the 7.x line. |
| 19:54.28 | tspjf | the upgrade send me to the 8.x? |
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| 19:54.48 | greycat | tspjf: if your sources.list says "stable" (bad) instead of "wheezy" or "jessie", then you might have been caught by surprise. |
| 19:55.14 | greycat | tspjf: at this point, make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list only has "jessie" lines (no stable, no wheezy) and do the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:55.29 | greycat | you may also have to reinstall some packages like man-db as you find them |
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| 19:55.48 | Ooze | Anyone have an answer for me? |
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| 19:56.13 | greycat | has no idea how Windows decides what is and is not a usable disk partition |
| 19:56.32 | teclo- | neither |
| 19:56.51 | teclo- | However, Ooze, what did you use to create the NTFS partition ? |
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| 19:57.00 | tspjf | ok. Thank you very much. |
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| 19:59.56 | dimitry7 | Hello guys! |
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| 20:00.11 | dimitry7 | How can I enable all outgoing traffic to google?? |
| 20:00.24 | dimitry7 | I want my users only have access to their gmail |
| 20:00.27 | greycat | it's enabled by default |
| 20:00.39 | dimitry7 | greycat, no, I want the google's IPs |
| 20:01.11 | greycat | are you actually asking how to DISABLE everything else? |
| 20:01.16 | Ooze | teclo-: gparted |
| 20:01.24 | Ooze | And then I tried formatting it again in Windows after it didn't recognize |
| 20:01.33 | Ooze | I'm not sure what they're called, trying to remember... |
| 20:01.42 | Ooze | Before I've had multiple 'partitions' within a parittion? |
| 20:01.45 | greycat | Ooze: well, gparted creates an empty partition, but you still have to make the file system |
| 20:01.48 | Ooze | Like it was a different part of the table or something? |
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| 20:02.16 | Ooze | If I format /sdc as NTFS it should pick up in Windoze though? |
| 20:02.25 | Ooze | Like there's nothing from keeping it from recognizing while on the same table? |
| 20:02.34 | greycat | Ooze: /sdc is not a valid device node |
| 20:02.40 | tspjf | oh shit, stable main contrib non-free |
| 20:02.41 | Ooze | /dev/sdc |
| 20:02.44 | Ooze | sry |
| 20:02.51 | greycat | Ooze: that's a whole disk not a partition |
| 20:02.56 | teclo- | Ooze: yes but /dev/sdc is awhole disk |
| 20:03.02 | teclo- | nods to greycat |
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| 20:03.14 | teclo- | partitions would be /dev/sdc1, /dev/sdc2 |
| 20:03.18 | GitGud | hi debianites |
| 20:03.44 | greycat | if the disk has an MBR (MSDOS) layout, you could also have "extended" partitions which jump up to /dev/sdc5 etc. |
| 20:04.11 | Ooze | I've got my system on /sdc1, my persitence on /sdc2 and I want an NTFS partition on /sdc3 |
| 20:04.24 | teclo- | yes you've got physical partitions at /dev/sda1 sda2 sda3 |
| 20:04.27 | greycat | does it mount in debian? |
| 20:04.42 | teclo- | then logical partitions sda5 sda6 sda7 |
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| 20:06.27 | teclo- | hm, where is alsaconf in 8.0 ? Perhaps is it replaced by another command ? |
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| 20:06.38 | greycat | in alsa-utils I think... |
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| 20:07.06 | greycat | oh, sorry, that's alsamixer |
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| 20:08.42 | teclo- | greycat: yes :) ... alsamixer is there but not alsaconfig... and I'm trying to run Rosegarden, I get no sound... It's probably muted in the mixer |
| 20:08.47 | Ooze | Yes it mountsi n debian |
| 20:09.04 | Ooze | Sorry, I'm booting between systems |
| 20:10.16 | Ooze | /dev/sdb1 is Live, /dev/sdb2 is fat16 live, /dev/sdb3 is my persistence, and I want a fourth for NTFS |
| 20:10.51 | Ooze | It mounts fine in Debian, but just comes up as an unformated drive in windows |
| 20:11.58 | dimitry7 | greycat, yes |
| 20:12.13 | dimitry7 | greycat, disable everything else. See, these are workspaces in Amazon EC2 |
| 20:12.34 | dimitry7 | people don't need anything but their gmail, everything they need is in their local desktops |
| 20:13.03 | teclo- | dimitry7: you meant they got the whole of Internet in their desktop ? |
| 20:13.20 | greycat | Apparently he doesn't WANT them to get to the internet. Except gmail. |
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| 20:13.37 | dimitry7 | greycat, not apparantly, that's what I said I want |
| 20:13.38 | teclo- | greycat: ah :) sorry I didn't get that |
| 20:13.40 | greycat | god only knows why he's even allowing that... maybe he's too lazy to install his own mail service |
| 20:13.42 | dimitry7 | * apparently |
| 20:14.04 | jhutchins | dimitry7: The problemis that google has many different servers for gmail, and they change them from time to time. |
| 20:14.08 | dimitry7 | greycat, No mail service is better than Gmail |
| 20:14.15 | teclo- | indeed greycat... perhaps should we tell him "aptitude install exim" |
| 20:14.23 | teclo- | dimitry7: really ? |
| 20:14.28 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, thank you for that answer! |
| 20:15.10 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I have enabled the ranges they provided me when I aquired the service, but still doesn't work. |
| 20:15.28 | teclo- | dimitry7: you acquired gmail ? |
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| 20:16.00 | kaak | does ntpd synchronize the hardware clock (RTC) periodically? |
| 20:16.24 | dimitry7 | teclo-, http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/acquire |
| 20:16.50 | dimitry7 | teclo-, understood? |
| 20:16.54 | kaak | and if so, where is this behavior documented? I'm getting conflicting answers on google, and no info from man pages |
| 20:17.02 | teclo- | dimitry7: yes. How much did you pay for gmail ? |
| 20:17.18 | greycat | Yes, we understand, that you are now the majority shareholder of Google's stock and have therefore acquired google, gmail, and all of their other services and subsidiaries. |
| 20:17.20 | dimitry7 | teclo-, I said SERVICE |
| 20:17.30 | dimitry7 | greycat, SERVICE |
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| 20:17.42 | greycat | dimitry7: ENROLLED, SIGNED UP FOR, not acquired |
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| 20:18.10 | greycat | It's like those idiots that say "my facebook" instead of "my facebook page". |
| 20:18.27 | xand | stop nouning those adjectives |
| 20:18.49 | teclo- | dimitry7: do you still have the box it was in ? |
| 20:18.53 | dimitry7 | greycat, see an example: https://www.mcf.gov.bc.ca/service_providers/contract_management/planning_practices.htm?WT.svl=LeftNav |
| 20:19.19 | greycat | There's a government involved? Well, I guess that's not shocking. |
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| 20:19.34 | dimitry7 | greycat, I acquired an enterprise account |
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| 20:20.38 | dimitry7 | greycat, I am not talking about the free account that everybody has. I pay Google 50$USD per month per account |
| 20:20.43 | dimitry7 | and I have 1500 accounts |
| 20:20.55 | xand | ask them for support |
| 20:20.57 | dimitry7 | that's what I am talking about. |
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| 20:22.31 | greycat | So how are you attempting to disable access from your users to everywhere else? netfilter on every single desktop machine? packet filtering in the router? |
| 20:22.32 | dimitry7 | greycat, do you understand now? |
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| 20:23.00 | dimitry7 | greycat, these are workspaces in EC2 |
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| 20:23.16 | dimitry7 | I can only play with IPs, can't do more |
| 20:23.25 | greycat | !ec2 |
| 20:23.25 | dpkg | The Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (EC2) delivers pay-as-you-go capacity in virtualised resources: see https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ . Debian images for EC2 (AMIs) are created by members of the Debian project. See http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image and http://blog.james.rcpt.to/2012/12/06/official-debian-images-on-amazon-web-services-ec2/ for details. |
| 20:23.26 | xand | setup a squid proxy, make all the clients use, and restrict by domain name |
| 20:23.36 | dimitry7 | haha :'( |
| 20:23.42 | dimitry7 | I already knew it |
| 20:23.47 | xand | using a firewall to block/allow access to domain names is nonsense |
| 20:23.59 | dimitry7 | xand, that's the best choice |
| 20:24.04 | xand | what is? |
| 20:24.12 | dimitry7 | xand, a proxy, a cloud based one |
| 20:24.18 | xand | do that then |
| 20:24.43 | dimitry7 | since google's ips don't work, then yes, proxy. thank you! |
| 20:25.19 | greycat | has no idea what "workspace in EC2" means but is glad xand did |
| 20:25.30 | xand | I didn't |
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| 20:26.36 | dimitry7 | greycat, windows server 2008 running desktop experience, they're hosted in Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud |
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| 20:26.58 | xand | what's this got to do with debian then? |
| 20:27.09 | greycat | was also wondering that |
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| 20:27.50 | zophy | i need to get my gpg key signed, there must be a dozen maintainers and developers on here that have banned me several times, they know i am for real |
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| 20:28.58 | dimitry7 | dimitry thinks #Debian knows everything, but is sorry for asking something that doesn't have anything to do with #Debian |
| 20:29.39 | greycat | So what is a "workspace in EC2"? How does the user sitting on a chair at a desk use this thing? |
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| 20:39.59 | dimitry7 | teclo-, I pay that for Google. To answer your question. |
| 20:40.31 | dimitry7 | greycat, I am not going to explain here all the reasons that took me to the cloud. |
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| 20:41.50 | greycat | But, like, what do they *do*? Do they have "thin client" boxes that download an OS image from The Cloud and run it? Do they have a locally installed OS with an X server and run the XDMCP protocol with that as their target? Do they "remote desktop" to it? |
| 20:42.09 | dimitry7 | greycat, windows client |
| 20:42.23 | greycat | Oh. It Is Proprietary. |
| 20:42.23 | dimitry7 | ipad client, android client etc |
| 20:42.37 | greycat | It Doth What Google Hath Writ. |
| 20:42.47 | greycat | None Shall Know Its Working. |
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| 20:43.07 | greycat | well, that makes it impossible for us to give you any kind of support at all |
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| 20:43.38 | dimitry7 | greycat, I mentioned EC2 for you to understand why I want to block everything but Gmail |
| 20:43.50 | dimitry7 | sonce it seemed to sound strange |
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| 20:44.01 | greycat | That does not lead me to any kind of understanding. |
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| 20:45.07 | xingu | greycat: I think the answer is approximately "you give bezos your cash and he flips you the bird from the deck of his yacht" |
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| 20:50.11 | DrManhattan | I am not having any luck forcing my system to retry network autoconfiguration upon dhcp failure - I am using the following: d-i netcfg/dhcp_failed note d-i netcfg/dhcp_options select Retry network autoconfiguration - What am I doing wrong? |
| 20:50.25 | DrManhattan | My goal is to have it try autoconfig over and over |
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| 20:57.39 | tmp3k | brb im going to reboot idk why this vnc is not working with remotedesktop |
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| 21:02.33 | lok | is it compulsroy to use all L1 to L7 layers to establish network communication? |
| 21:02.57 | xand | lok: given those layers are just a model... no |
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| 21:03.18 | lok | which are compulsory layers must be used? xand |
| 21:03.26 | lok | for any communication |
| 21:03.31 | lok | i guess L1 & l2 are must |
| 21:03.42 | greycat | Is this homework? |
| 21:03.53 | lok | not just curiosity |
| 21:03.53 | xand | that's a nonsensical question |
| 21:04.51 | lok | ok let me ask this way; if i remove a "network adapter" from laptop/printer; will that item(laptop/printer) become MAC addressless? |
| 21:04.51 | jhutchins | lok: It's not really a Debian question, I'm sure you could find many articles on the network layer model via google. |
| 21:04.58 | greycat | Well, theoretical questions about the 7-layer model of networking are more on topic in ##networking than here. |
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| 21:05.18 | lok | jhutchins: i am struglling in understanding hence seeking some help of IT guys |
| 21:05.36 | lok | i know i can be in touch with #hardware & #networking poeple also |
| 21:05.37 | greycat | lok: if you remove the network adapter from ANYTHING it will become uncommunicative because that's like ripping the vocal cords out of a human. |
| 21:05.44 | lok | but you are also friendly |
| 21:05.49 | DrManhattan | I am not having any luck forcing my system to retry network autoconfiguration upon dhcp failure - I am using the following: d-i netcfg/dhcp_failed note d-i netcfg/dhcp_options select Retry network autoconfiguration - What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:06.00 | jhutchins | lok: Right but this channel is specifically for support of Debian, not for teaching networking concepts. |
| 21:06.10 | lok | i knew that fact; but does it mean greycat it will become MAC address less? |
| 21:06.27 | greycat | Yes. It will lack a MAC address, because it lacks THE FUCKING HARDWARE to do any kind of communications. |
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| 21:07.19 | greycat | oh my god now he's /msging me |
| 21:07.50 | lok | i hope you can tolerate couple of pm |
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| 21:08.12 | jhutchins | lok: You really do need to read a more comprehensive text, not just bug people on irc with individual questions. |
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| 21:08.28 | B4bad00ki | Anyone: any input on what is the best method of packaging multiple module updates into ONE package? to distribute to a local team |
| 21:08.44 | jhutchins | B4bad00ki: tgz? |
| 21:08.56 | lok | thanks for guide jhutchins |
| 21:09.09 | B4bad00ki | jhutchins: that is an option, however I'd prefer dpkg |
| 21:09.26 | B4bad00ki | jhutchins: not trying to just tar |
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| 21:12.21 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: apt-zip? |
| 21:12.33 | jhutchins | B4bad00ki: What kind of modules? |
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| 21:13.18 | somiaj | oh wait, he wants to package something for updates, not just distribute updates from debian. |
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| 21:13.48 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: yes :) |
| 21:14.03 | B4bad00ki | she* |
| 21:14.46 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: answer jhutchins question. What sort of modules (or what is it you are needing to distribute across multiple machines) |
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| 21:16.20 | jhutchins | B4bad00ki: The simplest method would be to just create a tgz from / that would extract the files to the correct location. If you want version tracking and such you need to start with where the modules come from in the first place and probably do custom builds of that package or pacages. Doing a custom package of files that come from other packages won't work any better than a tarball. |
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| 21:19.46 | B4bad00ki | jhutchins: essentially middleware, security updates n such |
| 21:20.14 | B4bad00ki | jhutchins: thanks |
| 21:20.16 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: for stuff you install that is part of debian or third party stuff? |
| 21:20.47 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: third party stuff it is best to use what ever method you are choosing to install it. If you aren't making deb's of the material in the first place, don't make a deb of the updates. |
| 21:20.48 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: third party dependencies, ie. Java curl etc |
| 21:21.01 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: what method are you using to install this third party stuff? |
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| 21:21.26 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: aptitude, apt-updates |
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| 21:21.48 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: so why can't you get the updates via apt if that is where you are getting the packages in the first place? |
| 21:21.49 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: nothing proprietary but it has to be tested locally and applied manually for auditing |
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| 21:22.21 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: very secure environment with verified testbeds |
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| 21:23.09 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: correct, but what I'm not understanding is you have something you are installing from a repo? Why don't you get the updates via that same repo? Or take their source packages, apply the patch/fix, make a new package and distribute the packages via your own apt repo? |
| 21:24.03 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: working on building our own repo but waiting on change controls |
| 21:24.14 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: in the meantime, have to be applied manually |
| 21:24.50 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: working on the 'make a new package' part |
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| 21:25.03 | t4nk704 | Hey |
| 21:25.16 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: I would do what works. But what you should do is try to get the source of the what you are using, apply the fix, then build your own deb from the same source pakage (so the basic package info is the same) |
| 21:25.40 | t4nk704 | I am a windows user I gonna install debian on my pc |
| 21:25.46 | t4nk704 | some tips |
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| 21:26.32 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: that would be worthwhile if it were a few updates, I'm talking about 95+ updates that are being tested and then being redistributed throughout |
| 21:26.35 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: there isn't a nice way to make a 'patch package' as two packages cannot write to the same file (or provide the same file). The only way to do this via a package is to create a new package of the full software (not just the small fix). Also note changing files provided by a package can sometimes be overwritten if the package is upgraded for any reason (or reinstalled) |
| 21:26.58 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: it appears my option at this point is to just build a tarball and distribute |
| 21:27.45 | somiaj | B4bad00ki: correct, and be careful if you are overwriting files that are provided by one of these packages. But I think while you work on buidling your own packages and repo to start to distribute the fixes via apt that is your best bet is a tar. |
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| 21:28.32 | frazr | Question: is it possible to use ifup, ifdown to switch wireless networks, in search of some nice script that lets me switch wifi network easily. |
| 21:28.40 | B4bad00ki | somiaj: indeed, thanks :) |
| 21:28.57 | frazr | its a hassle to edit interfaces and restart networking each time |
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| 21:30.11 | FI_OpwK | frazr: how would the script 'know' when to switch the interfaces on or off? |
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| 21:31.00 | markybob | frazr, use logical interfaces |
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| 21:31.35 | frazr | ok, dont really know what that means :) |
| 21:32.01 | markybob | frazr, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Switching_Connections |
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| 21:32.25 | markybob | frazr, look at the console part. and http://www.alwayssunny.com/blog/?p=30 an example |
| 21:32.28 | frazr | wrote a shitty wpa-supplicant script, did not work as good as i wanted |
| 21:32.47 | frazr | lol, always sunny ? :) |
| 21:32.57 | markybob | frazr, then ifup/down the logical (virtual) name |
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| 21:33.25 | frazr | oh cool, you can do that |
| 21:33.27 | markybob | frazr, it's from the debian wifi wiki |
| 21:33.29 | markybob | frazr, yes |
| 21:33.30 | frazr | sweet |
| 21:33.51 | somiaj | wpa_supplicant can actually just manage the wifi (good instructions in /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant) and automatically switch as you move from one network to another. |
| 21:33.58 | somiaj | Just put wpa_supplicant in roam mode |
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| 21:39.38 | galex|713 | Hi, the Debian LiveDVDs automatically boot a desktop environment⦠which file decides of what environment is booted? |
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| 21:40.08 | galex|713 | I tried to make as do UCK (Ubuntu Customisation Kit) following source code and trying to adapt the best to Debian, but once I unpacked the iso and the squashfs, before to repack them and make a new bootable iso (btw I noticed this iso doesnât boot with qemu, but I can boot it from GRUB with syslinux_configfile command) I need to change whatâs at the X startup (currently LXDE) to |
| 21:40.11 | galex|713 | put what I installed and want to use (i3), how to do that? |
| 21:41.21 | frazr | thanks markybob , works like a charm :) hugs for you! |
| 21:41.41 | markybob | frazr, you're welcome |
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| 21:54.38 | ubertwinkie | how best to gett itel snd firmware |
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| 21:55.35 | towo` | apt install firmware-intel-sound |
| 21:55.55 | towo` | but unly in unstable |
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| 21:56.01 | towo` | s/u/o |
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| 21:58.56 | cxd13 | if i want a script to be executed whenever i shutdown the computer, do i still put it in /etc/rc.local.shutdown or is there some systemd way to do it? |
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| 22:03.25 | ubertwinkie | the mulivers repos wont load |
| 22:04.03 | markybob | ubertwinkie, this isn't ubuntu |
| 22:04.06 | ubertwinkie | cant get the firmware any other way |
| 22:04.21 | ubertwinkie | i know |
| 22:04.37 | markybob | ubertwinkie, so go ask them about their repos |
| 22:04.54 | ubertwinkie | ok |
| 22:05.26 | ubertwinkie | i been using jessie repos sorry for bothing you |
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| 23:35.18 | mescalito | Hi, people. Give me some clues on this, please http://pastebin.com/GC9S4Kmg |
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| 23:35.47 | bezaban | !ask |
| 23:35.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 23:38.02 | zykotick9 | mescalito: sidenote, you might want to check out "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" for future pastes.... |
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| 23:42.46 | mescalito | Apologies :) http://paste.debian.net/317720/ |
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| 23:43.50 | zykotick9 | goes to check the non-pastebin.com link BUT there is no context before this paste, so the likelyhood i'll no anything is slim ;) |
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| 23:45.02 | zykotick9 | mescalito: ya, i got nothing. i've never used lightdm in my life. i still use startx ;) best of luck. |
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| 23:45.46 | zykotick9 | above s/no/know/ |
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| 23:48.27 | mtn | mescalito, like dpkg asked, which version of debian? |
| 23:48.41 | mescalito | jessie stable |
| 23:49.03 | mtn | mescalito, how did you install lightdm? |
| 23:50.07 | mescalito | apt-get install lightdm, greeter came along. But that was long ago. Trouble happened after upgrade. mtn |
| 23:50.23 | mtn | mescalito, upgrade? what kind of upgrade? |
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| 23:51.53 | mescalito | apt upgrade |
| 23:51.53 | apt | Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn. |
| 23:52.10 | mescalito | http://paste.debian.net/317722/ |
| 23:52.36 | mtn | mescalito, check out your sources. stable upgrade would not change lightdm behavior |
| 23:53.14 | mtn | mescalito, or figure out how you changed its settings |
| 23:53.32 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.42 | markybob | that's a problem :P |
| 23:54.30 | markybob | not sure what you did for that to happen |
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| 23:55.21 | mescalito | well... I upgraded to testing, and then downgraded to stable |
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| 23:55.36 | markybob | mescalito, so you screwed yourself |
| 23:55.38 | markybob | !downgrade |
| 23:55.38 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:56.11 | markybob | mescalito, at this point trying to go back to testing and installing x + whatever is your best bet. |
| 23:56.27 | markybob | or start over |
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| 23:59.42 | mescalito | I'think i feel like i'm quite close to solution. Which config does it try to read in this case? "DEBUG: DisplayServer x-0: Can't launch X server X, not found in path" |
