| 00:00.27 | ZodoTurtle | I simply removed the symlinked files. Haven't rebooted, but it all appears to work normally again. |
| 00:00.31 | pksadiq | ZodoTurtle: Do you wan't to disable 'suspend on close' of lid? |
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| 00:02.11 | ZodoTurtle | pksadiq: yes. |
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| 00:02.51 | ZodoTurtle | instructions: do blah blah blah, then run systmctl long command or reboot. Yet again, I choose the windows option reboot. So much easier. |
| 00:02.58 | pksadiq | ZodoTurtle: Edit the file /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 00:03.35 | ZodoTurtle | pksadiq: I did, and then "reboot" |
| 00:03.47 | ZodoTurtle | And thanks, that fixed that issue. |
| 00:03.51 | majest1c | Why debian over other distros? |
| 00:04.22 | pksadiq | ZodoTurtle: I didn't get you |
| 00:04.29 | ZodoTurtle | majest1c: because it poses a different set of complications. |
| 00:05.06 | Hydroxide | majest1c: we aren't here to attack other distros - we can tell you why we like Debian (maybe we'll have different answers from each other) |
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| 00:06.04 | majest1c | Well tell me what debian has to offer that others dont, what makes debian special? |
| 00:06.08 | Hydroxide | majest1c: I like its quality assurance, huge package selection, prompt security updates, tightly and predictably integrated behavior, community support (with companies and consultants whom you can pay for support if you need that), dual committments to software freedom and pragmatism, etc |
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| 00:06.17 | Hydroxide | majest1c: and very strong stability within a stable release |
| 00:06.33 | Hydroxide | majest1c: also great upgrades between stable releases, not always flawless but they work a lot more smoothly than most distros |
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| 00:07.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | And unlike other distros, crypto-signed downloads (pet peeve). |
| 00:08.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | *many other |
| 00:08.38 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: I think all the biggest distros have adopted that by now, but yeah not every single distro out there I'm sure. |
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| 00:09.02 | majest1c | Hydroxide are there major differences between the releases? |
| 00:09.34 | Hydroxide | majest1c: sometimes, since the releases are typically 2 years apart and both Debian's internal development and the broader software community advance in that time |
| 00:10.09 | Hydroxide | majest1c: for example right now Debian's current stable release has software that's mostly less than a year old and the release was finalized only this past May |
| 00:10.31 | majest1c | Does an upgrade require a full reinstall or could you keep your files and still upgrade to the newer version? |
| 00:10.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hydroxide, you'd be closer to the truth if you assumed they didn't... Mint for example has no idea what that is. |
| 00:11.03 | Hydroxide | majest1c: you can keep your files and upgrade. Debian publishes release notes for every release that discusses precautious and gotchas, steps to minimize risk and clean up afterwards, etc |
| 00:11.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | And Ubuntu still thinks MD5 is a good hash, last I checked. |
| 00:11.42 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: RHEL, CentOS, and Ubuntu do good signing - and ubuntu does offer SHA256 |
| 00:11.46 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto |
| 00:12.41 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: hobbyist/desktop-centric distros like mint might not but among the enterprise distros it's pretty standard practice now. not sure about arch which is hobbyist-focused but has a bunch of rigor by its own standards. |
| 00:12.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | Arch is good. |
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| 00:13.42 | Hydroxide | majest1c: Debian supports upgrading from one stable release to the next indefinitely over the long term, assuming you don't skip any stable releases and follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes each time. |
| 00:13.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Not sure about RHEL/CentOS, but until recently (like a year or so), Fedora sneakingly used unverified packages during its net install. Because screw crypto and sweep it under the rug. |
| 00:13.56 | keltim | Debian has the strongest stable offering |
| 00:14.11 | keltim | it is the most sophisticated by far |
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| 00:14.32 | Hydroxide | majest1c: usually the upgrade instructions have apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade as their conceptual core but sometimes they have other details to avoid release-specific gotchas. |
| 00:15.27 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: glad they fixed it! Fedora is in the category of fast-moving hobbyist and developer distros, despite their ties to Red Hat. I'd put Debian, RHEL, and Ubuntu LTS in the enterprise OS category, with CentOS and Ubuntu non-LTS avoiding this problem because of their links to RHEL and Ubuntu LTS |
| 00:15.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Haha... "Obtain the public key from the Ubuntu key server: $ gpg --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 0xFBB75451", and that's pretty much it. |
| 00:16.25 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: yeah they probably don't tell people a lot about the web of trust thing on their wiki but I would be surprised if it's not signed by keys in the strongly-connected set. |
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| 00:16.51 | keltim | RHEL is steady if ancient, but U****** has been total garbage since 10.x |
| 00:17.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | It likely is, just mentioning it's bad advice. |
| 00:17.15 | majest1c | Hydroxide Do you know the main differences between backtrack and debian? |
| 00:17.22 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: actually they do vaguely mention the web of trust, but only vaguely. it's hard to explain this stuff rigorously. debian doesn't explain it very well either to be honest. |
| 00:17.38 | Hydroxide | majest1c: I'm not familiar with backtrack beyond knowing that it's derived from Debian |
| 00:18.05 | Hydroxide | keltim: this is not the place to attack our fellow Linux distributions :) |
| 00:18.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | Last thing that got me worried about Ubuntu was they don't offer Git over HTTPS for the kernel trees, for some reason. |
| 00:19.31 | keltim | I'm not actually, I used to like Ubuntu, RHEL has nice qualities, but Ubuntu has gone downhill in terms of quality. There are many packages in multiverse that just segfault, for Christ's sake |
| 00:19.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yes, we could use a friendlier UI or something to check downloads. Perhaps having attached signatures to prevent people from blindly writing ISOs to devices without checking them first. |
| 00:19.37 | Hydroxide | majest1c: the internet tells me BackTrack used to be based on Ubuntu is in turn based on Debian. backtrack is apparently defunct and has been replaced by Kali Linux which is based on Debian. thanks for asking the question - I had heard of kali linux showing up |
| 00:19.41 | Hydroxide | but didn't knwo what it was |
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| 00:20.14 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: I don't think there's a way to automate good checking of trust signatures without having a catch-22 of how to trust the automation |
| 00:20.31 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: and if we try to force manual checking, either people won't use it or they'll automate removing the signature |
| 00:20.41 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: and get the advice from a dodgy site with possible malware included |
| 00:20.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, fair. |
| 00:21.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wish distros provided more GPG keys as packages, perhaps even a curated web of trust from people using PGP widely. |
| 00:21.33 | Hydroxide | keltim: yeah I agree Debian's quality has remained consistently high and Ubuntu's hasn't. (exceptions exist in both distros) |
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| 00:21.58 | enthdegree | Help |
| 00:22.08 | enthdegree | every time I connect to a new network |
| 00:22.12 | enthdegree | I can resolve hostnames fine |
| 00:22.18 | enthdegree | but every time I connect to a new network |
| 00:22.29 | keltim | actually packages aren't the issue these days, it is libraries pulled directly from github or whereever for ruby, nodejs, python and friends |
| 00:22.29 | enthdegree | I have to run 'ifdown' then 'ifup' on the interface |
| 00:22.33 | enthdegree | to be able to download websites |
| 00:22.39 | Hydroxide | majest1c: anyway it seems like Kali Linux and its predecessor BackTrack are focused on digital forensics and penetration testing. I don't know anything about their advantages or disadvantages in that context, but Debian's focus is far more general-purpose. |
| 00:22.43 | enthdegree | or anything really, other than hostname resolution |
| 00:22.48 | Hydroxide | majest1c: so that maybe answers your question. |
| 00:22.51 | enthdegree | i have a FEELING it's to do with my routing table |
| 00:23.05 | Hydroxide | enthdegree: yes, that's my suspicion too |
| 00:23.40 | enthdegree | but what would be keeping the routing table from not updating instead of |
| 00:23.47 | keltim | the open source dev world is literally recreating the same problems that plagued windows in the mid-late 90's |
| 00:23.51 | Hydroxide | keltim: well unless Ubuntu automates that kind of thing in a way I don't expect, that's no different for Ubuntu or Debian. Both distros do offer rubygems and npm and suchlike |
| 00:23.52 | enthdegree | *and everything else being configured nice |
| 00:23.56 | A|an | Can anyone recommend a mini PCIe wifi card that'll work with Debian? |
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| 00:24.38 | Hydroxide | keltim: yeah that's an interesting discussion but would probably drown out user support questions if we have it here. I agree it's a problematic situation (but I don't see a difference between Debian and Ubuntu there). it might be easier to avoid this if the distro that developers standardized on wasn't Mac OS X :D |
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| 00:25.06 | keltim | Hydroxide, no, it isn't a distro specific thing. It's an industry issue |
| 00:25.10 | Hydroxide | nods |
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| 00:25.39 | Hydroxide | keltim: happy to continue this in /msg or ##infra-talk or ##devops but we shouldn't clog up #debian with it. |
| 00:26.12 | Hydroxide | keltim: or #debian-offtopic on OFTC (but I don't think that exists here) |
| 00:26.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm having a little philosophical issue with Debian's infrastructure, as all that package management stuff feels way too patched up with duct tape. |
| 00:26.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Otherwise, I can't complain about quality too much. |
| 00:26.56 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: what's the alternative? |
| 00:27.04 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: I mean, what equivalent isn't filled with duct tape? :) |
| 00:27.20 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: Debian does at least try to ensure integrity and such. |
| 00:27.30 | keltim | Eduard_Munteanu, why? debian has always been a "walled garden" or sorts. ... it has a way of doing things |
| 00:27.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hydroxide, rpm and portage feel a bit less duct-tapey |
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| 00:28.04 | keltim | they are far simpler, that is true |
| 00:28.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | remembers to try NixOS sometime |
| 00:28.21 | enthdegree | the thing that makes apt good is tha teveryone uses it |
| 00:28.24 | enthdegree | youre all in the same boat |
| 00:28.36 | keltim | but rpm distros do not deal with the dependencies of 20,000 packages, either, typically less than 1000 |
| 00:28.38 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: try to deploy Red Hat Update Infrastructure or Red Hat Satellite or similar things and then tell me they lack their own duct tape :) |
| 00:28.40 | enthdegree | its better to all be in the same boat than it is for one person to be in a very beautiful boat |
| 00:28.54 | enthdegree | thats why apt is better |
| 00:28.56 | Hydroxide | enthdegree: (yes, I have done this.) |
| 00:28.58 | Hydroxide | err |
| 00:29.00 | Hydroxide | Eduard_Munteanu: ^^ |
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| 00:29.40 | kasdar | Hello |
| 00:29.52 | kasdar | I am the guy that asked about debian7 before. |
| 00:30.12 | Hydroxide | kasdar: formerly as lardas, or am I confusing people? |
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| 00:30.17 | kasdar | I tried installing debiab 7.9 on my MBP but it said i didnt have an EFI partition |
| 00:30.20 | kasdar | yes |
| 00:30.23 | keltim | so with D you get the comfy security updates for everything you install, same cannot be said for and rpm distro that you've added many repos to |
| 00:30.24 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 00:30.26 | kasdar | Nice memory |
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| 00:31.32 | kasdar | SO,... it said i didnt have an efi partition when i was installing. Why didnt this happen with debian 8? Is debian 8 better for EFI-UEFI? |
| 00:31.42 | Hydroxide | kasdar: yes, Debian 8 is better for that |
| 00:31.45 | kasdar | Debian 8 installed with no problems |
| 00:31.55 | Hydroxide | better UEFI support is among the improvements in Debian 8u |
| 00:31.58 | Hydroxide | err Debian 8 |
| 00:32.03 | kasdar | Hydroxide: Should i make an efi partition then? |
| 00:32.38 | Hydroxide | kasdar: it's probably worth having if you want to run your system in UEFI mode, since indeed UEFI expects one to exist. Mac OS X does provide have one by default but it's possible you've inadvertently wiped it |
| 00:33.18 | enthdegree | Is the Debian Admin Handbook worth reading start to finish? |
| 00:33.35 | kasdar | Yes, I wiped it. I HATE oSX |
| 00:33.43 | kasdar | enthdegree: YES! |
| 00:34.01 | Hydroxide | kasdar: you don't need the OS X partition (except to apply firmware updates if I remember right) but you do need the EFI partition for any EFI system |
| 00:34.03 | enthdegree | kasdar: what if im just a normal guy |
| 00:34.04 | Hydroxide | kasdar: it's part of the EFI spec |
| 00:34.06 | enthdegree | and not a linux hack |
| 00:34.24 | Hydroxide | kasdar: but yes, you can recreate it. the Debian 7 installer probably has that capability though I'm not 100% sure |
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| 00:37.41 | kasdar | Ok i guess ill make an efi partition. But what can i do if i dont have free space at the beginning of my HD? I have a debian 8 install there. |
| 00:37.50 | kasdar | Does it have to be at the beginning? |
| 00:38.14 | Hydroxide | kasdar: I don't think it has to be at the beginning, no |
| 00:38.40 | Hydroxide | kasdar: that is the most common case and there's always a chance of bugs for other cases, but it shouldn't matter |
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| 00:39.32 | kasdar | Ok ill make it at the beginning of my free space |
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| 00:39.52 | kasdar | Why didnt debian 8 asked for this partition? It didnt even create it. |
| 00:39.55 | Hydroxide | kasdar: sounds reasonable. |
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| 00:40.58 | Hydroxide | kasdar: it's possible that your Debian 8 install happened in non-UEFI bios mode, for example. I'd need to see more of your partition table and possibly know the order of steps you performed to understand what happened. |
| 00:41.16 | Hydroxide | kasdar: Most UEFI machines can boot non-UEFI OSes using BIOS compatibility |
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| 00:41.54 | kasdar | Hydroxide: Well MBPs have something that you can install with BIOS-Compatibility if the partition table is formated toMBR, did this because i dont have osx anymore. |
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| 00:43.03 | kasdar | However i always had problems installing OSs when booting from a liveusb (i did this when trying to install debian 7) however the problems dissapeared when trying to install from the cd -drive. |
| 00:43.38 | Hydroxide | kasdar: right. it might even just be that the the way you booted the Debian 8 installer booted through the BIOS compatibility path, so the MBP was not in EFI mode by the time you reached Debian 8's installer logic |
| 00:43.43 | enthdegree | Is there a PDF of the Debian 8 Administrator's Handbook |
| 00:43.57 | Hydroxide | kasdar: and if you booted the Debian 7 system in a different manner it may have stayed in EFI mode |
| 00:44.04 | kasdar | enthdegree: Yes, google is your friend. |
| 00:44.13 | enthdegree | Oh I'm stupid |
| 00:44.23 | enthdegree | Theres a banner link |
| 00:44.25 | enthdegree | Thanks |
| 00:44.28 | kasdar | enthdegree: No, youre not. |
| 00:44.35 | kasdar | You welcome |
| 00:45.08 | kasdar | Hydroxide: I guess i should try installing from a disc right? |
| 00:46.07 | Hydroxide | kasdar: either way - you should be able to proceed via efi if you like, though indeed it's more common to use gpt with efi and mbr with bios |
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| 00:47.16 | Hydroxide | kasdar: I remember fiddling with multi-boot macbook pros back in 2006. good times :D |
| 00:47.25 | kasdar | Hahah |
| 00:47.33 | kasdar | well i guess ill burn another disk... |
| 00:47.46 | kasdar | Have many discs now since i cant boot live usbs |
| 00:48.04 | kasdar | Most of them are not usable since i dont like them |
| 00:48.06 | kasdar | Lxde, gnome and mate. |
| 00:48.26 | kasdar | Damn, MBPs suck!!! |
| 00:49.02 | Hydroxide | kasdar: you might want to look at http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ for a flexible multi-boot bootloader for EFI including Macs. It can probably handle booting USB |
| 00:49.16 | Hydroxide | kasdar: and apparently you don't need Mac OS X to install it |
| 00:49.46 | Hydroxide | kasdar: I used its predecessor rEFIt for similar purposes back in 2006 but now rEFIt is unmaintained and explicitly points people to rEFInd as the successor. |
| 00:50.36 | kasdar | Hydroxide: Yeah, knew about that. Never really liked it though/ |
| 00:50.41 | Hydroxide | kasdar: erm... they actually say that on Macs you want to install from Mac OS X, and there's a wrinkle about 10.11 El Capitan that needs a workaround |
| 00:50.44 | Hydroxide | ah okay |
| 00:50.47 | kasdar | I guess thats the way i should go. |
| 00:50.56 | Hydroxide | well Debian doesn't require it, but it would probably let you boot live USBs if you want |
| 00:51.01 | majest1c | I tried to google EFI and didnt really understand what it was could somone explain in an easy way what it basically is? |
| 00:51.12 | kasdar | Hydroxide: Yes, iguess i will |
| 00:51.26 | kasdar | Is there a way to turn back without deleting my whole drive? |
| 00:51.46 | Hydroxide | majest1c: it's the firmware that most recently sold computers have, instead of BIOS |
| 00:52.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | majest1c, it is also a new booting interface that operating systems use to get loaded by firmware |
| 00:52.34 | Hydroxide | kasdar: I'm not sure if Mac OS X can install in a partition. maybe yes but I don't know. |
| 00:52.35 | ZodoTurtle | well, since I have NO expectations of getting the HDMI audio to work. I'll go sleep the rest of the day away. |
| 00:52.48 | majest1c | So instead of "BIOS" they have now switched to EFI? |
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| 00:53.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | majest1c, some provide both legacy BIOS and EFI booting |
| 00:53.29 | Hydroxide | majest1c: you're correct - but as Eduard_Munteanu says there is backwards compatibility in most cases |
| 00:53.58 | majest1c | What is the difference really? |
| 00:54.53 | rww | one is encumbered with legacy nonsense going back to the IBM PC, the other is overcomplicated nonsense |
| 00:55.01 | Hydroxide | rww: wow, surprisingly good summary :) |
| 00:55.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | majest1c, EFI loads the kernel/bootloader from a filesystem instead of a boot sector, and provides more access to firmware settings |
| 00:55.31 | Hydroxide | EFI does have some legitimate advantages and plenty of disadvantages too... as does BIOS. rww is more informative |
| 00:55.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | It also provides cryptographic checking of operating system kernels/bootloaders through Secure Boot. |
| 00:56.36 | Hydroxide | optionally, yeah. |
| 00:56.39 | rww | Since new stuff tends to use UEFI, it's probably a good idea to learn UEFI and not rely on Compatibility Support Modules, which are the things in UEFI firmware that emulate BIOS |
| 00:56.55 | rww | but, the option is there if you need it |
| 00:57.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | I've found EFI booting rather ok to set up, even manually. |
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| 00:57.33 | rww | I installed Debian 8 with it yesterday, it Just Worked |
| 00:57.44 | majest1c | What do you need to set up? I dont really understand |
| 00:58.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | With the Debian installer, not much. I'm referring to manual debootstrapping and bootloader installation. |
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| 01:00.03 | majest1c | Do you boot faster with UEFI? |
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| 01:00.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | It can be faster, but that depends on the implementation. |
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| 01:02.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | UEFI has the luxury of not needing to set up a full 16-bit x86 environment with BIOS available and all that. |
| 01:02.28 | majest1c | I guess you have to have a motherboard that supports it in order to use it? |
| 01:02.34 | rww | yes |
| 01:03.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | It is mostly a firmware thing, not necessarily hardware-related. |
| 01:03.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | But the two come in the same package usually. |
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| 01:04.36 | majest1c | As I have understand it, it seems like EFI/UEFI or whatever you actually call it, have a much better looking interface and more settings to use |
| 01:05.32 | jetscreamer | macbookpro intel based i5 use 686 right |
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| 01:06.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | majest1c, that tends to be the case for desktop motherboards, yes |
| 01:07.14 | enthdegree | Does nautilus have SVN integration? |
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| 01:08.23 | jetscreamer | #math is hard, mkay? |
| 01:08.56 | jetscreamer | !macbook |
| 01:08.56 | dpkg | hmm... macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>. |
| 01:09.02 | jetscreamer | !macbookpro |
| 01:09.03 | dpkg | The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro . See also <bcm4331>, <laptop>. |
| 01:11.14 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 01:20.59 | enthdegree | hello |
| 01:21.04 | coffeeguy | hi |
| 01:21.05 | enthdegree | rabbitvcs-gedit no longer works |
| 01:21.18 | enthdegree | (its a geddit plugin in the repos) |
| 01:21.32 | enthdegree | it doesnt work becuase gedit only supports python3 plugins, but rabbitvcs-gedit is python2 |
| 01:21.45 | kasdar | rww: Have you tried installing debian7 with uefi? |
| 01:22.01 | enthdegree | so the package is essentially useless |
| 01:22.02 | rww | kasdar: nope |
| 01:22.06 | enthdegree | how do u report something like this |
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| 01:30.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | kasdar, just wondering, why 7 and not 8 if it's a new install? |
| 01:30.35 | kasdar | Eduard_Munteanu: Systemd |
| 01:31.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | systemd is rather lovely, IMO, as a departure from ugly init scripts written in a totally unsuitable language (not that C is suitable) |
| 01:32.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | kasdar, I could try and tell you how to set up EFI booting manually, though |
| 01:33.12 | kasdar | Eduard_Munteanu: Great, how? |
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| 01:33.34 | debian_ | m |
| 01:33.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | kasdar, first you need an EFI system partition |
| 01:33.54 | kasdar | Eduard_Munteanu: Most enterprises arent using debian8 yet. |
| 01:34.33 | debian_ | can someone help with harassment? |
| 01:35.40 | debian_ | someone broke in installed hidden speakers and tampering with cable and phones |
| 01:35.57 | Hydroxide | debian_: this seems like you should call your local criminal emergency number. |
| 01:36.13 | debian_ | they have been out and "cant do anything without a name" |
| 01:36.15 | Hydroxide | debian_: or criminal non-emergency number if you want. definitely get help with that |
| 01:36.34 | Hydroxide | debian_: how do you want us to help? this chat room is meant for user technical support with debian |
| 01:36.53 | debian_ | they only like to come out for car crashes caused by harassment when i had no reason to leave the house in the first place |
| 01:37.03 | debian_ | then when you call 911 for a crash they come.... |
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| 01:37.15 | debian_ | but come to the house and "need a najme" |
| 01:37.35 | enthdegree | Hi all |
| 01:37.39 | Hydroxide | debian_: if there's something we can usefully do, let us know. but beyond suggesting the police, solving crimes is not something we can usefully do |
| 01:37.45 | enthdegree | I installed nodejs on debian using apt-get install nodejs |
| 01:37.50 | enthdegree | now how do i install npm nvm etc |
| 01:37.52 | Hydroxide | debian_: good luck! |
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| 01:38.03 | debian_ | how can someone know whats on my tv before its on? |
| 01:38.15 | Hydroxide | enthdegree: Debian has packaged npm, so apt-get install npm |
| 01:38.21 | debian_ | ir listen to a phone call to talk threw hidden speakers about it? |
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| 01:39.25 | enthdegree | Hydroxide: very nice thanks |
| 01:42.33 | debian_ | 1,500 people. not one person can help? |
| 01:43.07 | debian_ | thats as fucked up as the pregant lady behing hiot witha 40 mph head on collion because everyone wants to protect the nigger or act dumb like the cops |
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| 01:43.27 | markybob | oh dear |
| 01:43.34 | Hydroxide | yeah, racial slurs... sigh. |
| 01:44.04 | pksadiq | enthdegree: https://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/removals |
| 01:45.27 | enthdegree | haha i think i know who that was |
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| 01:50.45 | majest1c | Hydroxide have you heard of "Katoolin"? If so, do you think it will work good on Debian? |
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| 01:51.43 | Hydroxide | majest1c: I haven't heard of that. I don't know. kali is based on debian and that script seems like it's been tested on ubuntu which is also been based on debian, so maybe. if your focus is to use kali linux, you might as well use kali linux. if you have a more general-purpose focus, debian is good |
| 01:52.01 | Hydroxide | majest1c: we can't give you user support here for anything it breaks on your debian system though :) |
| 01:55.11 | majest1c | Hydroxide When you say that Kali is based on Debian wouldnt that mean that Kali uses all of the Debian repositories? |
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| 01:55.32 | Hydroxide | majest1c: no, I think they take a lot of packages from Debian but they have their own repositories and probably change other things too. |
| 01:55.39 | Hydroxide | majest1c: we can't give support for them because we don't know what they change |
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| 02:00.18 | majest1c | Hydroxide why not extend Debian and add repositories from all other distros? That would be awesome |
| 02:01.24 | themill | majest1c: you'd have to ask the people who choose to do the work outside debian why they didn't just do it inside debian in the first place |
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| 02:14.03 | savant | Hi all. Is there a way to check if a system is running under debian or ubuntu? |
| 02:14.33 | savant | I'm updating a makefile to have it install a different package depending upon the base system and searching google for an answer doesnt appear to work |
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| 02:14.57 | savant | Aka not finding any good responses. Short of booting a debian instance and poking at it, not sure how to get the answer. |
| 02:15.04 | savant | Thanks in advance :) |
| 02:15.16 | markybob | savant, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:15.32 | savant | that file will only exist on debian, correct? |
| 02:16.10 | savant | hmmm, no it wont. On my ubuntu 14.04 instance, I have the contents of that file as `jessie/sid` |
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| 02:16.50 | markybob | savant, try lsb_release -a |
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| 02:17.05 | pksadiq | savant: may be you should use /etc/issue.net |
| 02:17.15 | savant | On my ubuntu box, the output of lsb_release -a is: |
| 02:17.16 | savant | No LSB modules are available. |
| 02:17.16 | savant | Distributor ID:Ubuntu |
| 02:17.16 | savant | Description:Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS |
| 02:17.16 | savant | Release:14.04 |
| 02:17.16 | savant | Codename:trusty |
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| 02:17.36 | markybob | at least he got his answer |
| 02:17.50 | Hydroxide | heh, true |
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| 02:17.57 | markybob | savant, there you go. ubuntu |
| 02:18.03 | savant | heh the bot is heartless |
| 02:18.16 | savant | cat /etc/issue.net contains: Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS |
| 02:18.17 | Hydroxide | savant: as markybob said, lsb_release with various arguments can identify debian vs ubuntu. /etc/os-release also clarifies |
| 02:18.31 | savant | sorry are there channel logs? I was kicked for flooding |
| 02:18.39 | savant | (my bad, didnt think 5 lines would trigger that) |
| 02:19.00 | savant | Is there a "best way" to detect debian vs ubuntu? |
| 02:19.10 | qman__ | you just did |
| 02:19.13 | Hydroxide | savant: lsb_release -s -i is probably the best (read the lsb_release man page for all of it) |
| 02:19.13 | qman__ | lsb_release -a |
| 02:19.23 | savant | and grep for ubuntu? |
| 02:19.27 | markybob | savant, ...what do you think you did? |
| 02:19.29 | savant | What is the output on a debian instance? |
| 02:19.35 | markybob | savant, it won't say ubuntu |
| 02:19.38 | Hydroxide | qman__: try lsb_release -s -i to get just the minimal bit |
| 02:19.40 | markybob | savant, it'll say debian |
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| 02:19.46 | Hydroxide | err |
| 02:19.47 | jimbow | who taught blacks programming? |
| 02:19.47 | Hydroxide | savant: |
| 02:19.48 | savant | okay I'll just boot a vm and find out |
| 02:19.50 | jimbow | do you find it fascinating that subhumans can mimic human behavior so well? |
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| 02:19.58 | markybob | find out...sigh |
| 02:20.17 | savant | I mean I dont want to assume the absense of one string means another thing :) |
| 02:20.35 | qman__ | run it and find out |
| 02:20.37 | markybob | savant, it's ubuntu. lsb_release -a doesn't lie |
| 02:20.38 | Hydroxide | savant: we're giving you the answer - try this command on both distros and see what it is, and/or read the man page |
| 02:20.42 | qman__ | it always says ubuntu on ubuntu |
| 02:20.49 | savant | Right, I'm about to test this on a debian instance |
| 02:20.53 | Hydroxide | markybob: he's not asking about this system, he's trying to program the distinction |
| 02:21.01 | Hydroxide | markybob: he started by saying "this is what I get on my ubuntu instance" |
| 02:21.07 | Hydroxide | (my paraphrase) |
| 02:21.08 | savant | Just figured I could skip the step where i need to boot up an instance to figure out what it says |
| 02:21.13 | savant | Hydroxide: yes :) |
| 02:21.42 | Hydroxide | savant: lsb_release -a gives a human-readable form. lsb_release has other options which give more easily parsed outputs. that's why I keep saying lsb_release -s -i which minimally gives Debian or Ubuntu |
| 02:21.51 | qman__ | in scripts I've written in the past, I first check for /etc/debian_version, and match it against debian 4/5/6/7/8, but if it doesn't match, I then grep lsb_release for ubuntu |
| 02:21.55 | savant | ah didnt catch that Hydroxide |
| 02:21.57 | Hydroxide | savant: it's also possible to parse /etc/os-release or in sh code read that in |
| 02:22.28 | Hydroxide | savant: but lsb_release is nicer. also if you're not writing in shell, your programming language may have a nicer solution. like python has a platform module |
| 02:22.42 | Hydroxide | savant: no need to shell out to a command then |
| 02:22.44 | savant | yeah unfortunately its for a makefile (and later bash) |
| 02:22.47 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 02:23.17 | Hydroxide | anyway, good luck! hope these answers were helfpul. |
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| 02:25.10 | savant | awesome that works |
| 02:25.23 | savant | I really only care about whether a system is debian or ubuntu, not the specific version :) |
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| 02:26.08 | Hydroxide | savant: great. what's the reason for caring about the distro, anyway? |
| 02:26.14 | savant | ah, the `-i` flag gives just the distributor id |
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| 02:26.31 | qman__ | probably knowing which packages to look for / install, or which apt sources to use, and so on |
| 02:26.32 | Hydroxide | savant: yup, and the -s says don't put the prefix. which is again the reason for -s -i :) |
| 02:26.44 | savant | I'm trying to make a packaged version of dokku (a single-server heroku clone) that is compatible on debian *and* ubuntu |
| 02:26.54 | savant | atm we only support ubuntu because thats what we originally tested it on |
| 02:27.06 | savant | in any case, there are a few minor issues with supporting both |
| 02:27.49 | savant | such as the fact that on debian, `ruby1.9.1-dev` isnt a package |
| 02:27.55 | savant | but ruby-dev is |
| 02:28.28 | Hydroxide | savant: glad you're working on that. but actually the solution you think you want is not actually what you want - most of the things you're noticing are actually differences between major release versions of debian that propagate at various different times into different versions of ubuntu |
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| 02:28.40 | savant | yeah |
| 02:28.48 | savant | im basically trying to remove platform specific stuff |
| 02:28.58 | savant | and figure out where we make assumptions that arent always necessarily true |
| 02:29.02 | themill | that would be because there is no version of debian that has ruby 1.9.1 in it |
| 02:29.03 | markybob | savant, use | in depends |
| 02:29.16 | savant | markybob: or just ruby-dev |
| 02:29.26 | savant | (or just rewrite the bit that uses ruby to python and be done with it) |
| 02:29.29 | savant | for instance, didnt know that debian had removed sudo |
| 02:29.42 | markybob | debian has sudo |
| 02:29.43 | savant | or that /etc/update-motd.d doesnt exist by default |
| 02:29.49 | savant | well it doesnt include it by default |
| 02:29.51 | Hydroxide | savant: so for example debian wheezy and ubuntu 14.04 trusty are quite similar; debian squeeze and 12.04 precise are quite similar; current prerelease debian stretch / debian unstable is quite similar to the new 15.10; etc |
| 02:29.52 | savant | you need to install it |
| 02:30.01 | Hydroxide | savant: if you need sudo, add it as a dependency |
| 02:30.06 | savant | yep, just did that |
| 02:30.17 | savant | on ubuntu we appear to have a syslog user "by default" |
| 02:30.29 | Hydroxide | anyway this kind of distro detection might be useful for debugging in creating your package - though you will also want the version number rather than just the distributor id |
| 02:30.33 | savant | do any of you happen to know what the correct way to get that user would be in debian? |
| 02:30.53 | Hydroxide | but the solutions don't actually depend on debian vs ubuntu, it's just specific to the versions of packages which are almost entirely shared between both |
| 02:31.08 | savant | Hydroxide: the deb packages we build will be in separate apt sources for each distro release |
| 02:31.38 | savant | so I dont think thats too much of a worry (except if you are installing from source, in which case I can just assume you are following directions and if you are on a different debian/ubuntu version that we prescribe, too bad) |
| 02:31.49 | Hydroxide | savant: yeah, but even there, the label 'debian' vs 'ubuntu' isn't relevant, it's more what point in time each release froze the mostly-shared set of packages |
| 02:32.21 | Hydroxide | savant: except again for a few of the specific changes ubuntu made, but everyone converging on systemd most of the remaining ubuntu-isms are more on the desktop and not relevant to server software |
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| 02:33.10 | savant | gotcha |
| 02:33.18 | Hydroxide | savant: really the best way long-term is to do something similar to what postgresql does for their debian/ubuntu packages |
| 02:33.36 | Hydroxide | savant: the packaging is basically shared between all versions of debian and ubuntu as well as the official postgresql packages |
| 02:34.04 | Hydroxide | savant: postgresql.org just builds more combinations in the support matrix and changes the version number slightly, but they make things sufficiently attuned to the system realities that they don't have to special-case everything. |
| 02:34.11 | savant | Thats basically what I'm attempting to do. In fact, most of our install "scripts" also support fedora to an extent |
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| 02:34.25 | savant | So its just special casing debian in a few cases |
| 02:34.27 | Hydroxide | savant: right. and I'm glad you're workind on this! don't take my comments as encouraging perfection. you can do it gradually |
| 02:34.42 | savant | A helpful user came up with this list of bugs in our current release https://github.com/progrium/dokku/issues/976#issuecomment-145134223 |
| 02:35.06 | Hydroxide | savant: btw help for new Debian packagers is probably easiest to find in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org aka OFTC |
| 02:35.34 | savant | last two things are disabling our custom ppa for installing nginx when we're on debian (since you guys already have nginx 1.8.x) and figuring out what package sets up the syslog user |
| 02:35.45 | savant | first one is now easy thanks to you all :) |
| 02:36.29 | Hydroxide | savant: well honestly even on ubuntu you can't make assumptions about what syslog user they have - ubuntu users can swap out the default just as debian users can |
| 02:36.56 | savant | the assumption i make with this package is that it's the sole arbiter of the system you are installing it on |
| 02:37.12 | savant | as in it's not collocated with other applications on the bare system |
| 02:37.23 | Hydroxide | savant: seems like a perfect application for a docker image :) |
| 02:37.25 | savant | we've made the same assumption on ubuntu |
| 02:37.32 | savant | Hydroxide: thats *also* an issue im working on |
| 02:38.05 | Hydroxide | savant: anyway on my Debian system it looks like rsyslogd is running as root by default |
| 02:38.11 | savant | https://github.com/progrium/dokku/issues/1076 |
| 02:38.16 | savant | oh interesting |
| 02:38.43 | savant | what we're doing at the moment is chowning the /var/log/dokku directory as syslog:dokku |
| 02:38.53 | Hydroxide | savant: well I guess you'd use root:dokku |
| 02:38.56 | savant | thats so dokku can log to that directory |
| 02:39.03 | savant | cool thats an easy solution |
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| 02:39.33 | Hydroxide | savant: there are a lot of other solutions you could use, such as just using chgrp instead of chown |
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| 02:40.47 | Hydroxide | savant: but I'd encourage you to move toward dropping that assumption - if you're going to be expecting people to install this package on a system that isn't isolated in some appliance universe, some of them will probably break your assumptions |
| 02:41.02 | Hydroxide | savant: and there's no reason it can't peacefully coexist with other stuff except that it doesn't yet know how :) |
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| 02:43.02 | savant | heh totally forgot about that |
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| 02:44.45 | Hydroxide | savant: you may also want to tie into log rotation mechanisms like logrotate so that every app doesn't have to either reinvent that wheel or have gigabytes per file |
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| 02:45.10 | Hydroxide | savant: but yeah, I don't want to throw a lot of things at you at once since I want to encourage this kind of thing to happen :) |
| 02:45.23 | savant | thats already covered |
| 02:45.26 | Hydroxide | great |
| 02:45.27 | savant | ;) |
| 02:45.38 | savant | we already have a deb package |
| 02:45.42 | savant | just doesnt work well with debian |
| 02:45.47 | savant | neither does the package creation step |
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| 02:46.45 | Hydroxide | yeah it's just a matter of generalizing correctly, which is why I suggested #debian-mentors. but also maybe find a local group of people near you to help in person. debian user groups can be pretty friendly. |
| 02:46.50 | savant | general bash question: anyone know of a better way to do this: https://gist.github.com/josegonzalez/4fd0ef21203f89a9d327 |
| 02:47.09 | Hydroxide | use case...esac |
| 02:47.10 | savant | I doubt anyone wants to meetup at 11pm on a saturday to talk packaging, even if this is nyc |
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| 02:47.35 | Hydroxide | haha :) not tonight probably, no. but there are plenty of debian folks in NYC (including me for significant chunks of november) |
| 02:47.46 | savant | heh I forget bash sometimes has reasonable language constructs |
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| 02:48.41 | Hydroxide | you could possibly introduce yourself in #debian-nyc on irc.debian.org (OFTC) and meet up some other time to go over it in person and meet other similarly minded people. but agreed probably not tonight. |
| 02:49.05 | Hydroxide | they'd probably love to help people learn how to support debian better and see the awesome community side of debian not just the software :) |
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| 02:50.15 | savant | heh |
| 02:50.26 | savant | > ChanServ has changed the topic to: This channel is no longer officially on freenode and has been forwarded to an 'about' channel (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#termination). Please part and rejoin. Thanks. |
| 02:50.40 | savant | ah ##debian-mentors |
| 02:50.42 | Hydroxide | no |
| 02:50.50 | Hydroxide | #debian-mentors is on irc.debian.org aka OFTC |
| 02:50.54 | savant | ah |
| 02:50.59 | Hydroxide | so is #debian-nyc and in general most Debian channels |
| 02:51.08 | Hydroxide | #debian exists on both networks because Freenode. |
| 02:51.14 | Hydroxide | OFTC is also known as irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:53.28 | Hydroxide | savant: and of course I won't guarantee that many people will be paying attention to #debian-nyc at this time of night, but if you comment and lurk you can definitely get a reaction eventually (and not just from me) |
| 02:53.54 | Monalisa | hiya |
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| 02:55.49 | savant | biya |
| 02:56.15 | savant | Oh fun, I apparently don't *need* to use systemctl on jessie to restart nginx... |
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| 02:59.03 | Hydroxide | savant: yeah systemd has compatiblity for /sbin/service and a lot of things still have /etc/init.d scripts |
| 02:59.19 | Hydroxide | savant: which of course systemd can handle sanely too |
| 02:59.54 | savant | whats the proper way to reference systemd? |
| 02:59.55 | Hydroxide | savant: I think there's even logic somewhere to prefer the systemd unit if both exist on a system with systemd as init, even if someone calls the sysvinit script. debian put a lot of work into compatibility (which ubuntu will of course benefit from too) |
| 03:00.13 | savant | for restarting/reloading a process it manages |
| 03:00.28 | savant | on opensuse we do `/sbin/service nginx reload` for instance |
| 03:00.36 | savant | not sure if that is the "best" way for debian |
| 03:01.16 | Hydroxide | savant: typically package maintenance scripts are supposed to use the abstraction layer invoke-rc.d which while not something that a human will normally invoke can do the right thing in cases where e.g. the package is being preinstalled into a chroot that will become a cloud image and you don't actually want to have a running daemon at install time |
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| 03:01.27 | Hydroxide | but /sbin/service nginx reload will function as it does on most systems |
| 03:02.12 | savant | interesting, that might explain why the nginx ppa is broken on ubuntu 14.04 |
| 03:02.18 | savant | they use invoke-rc.d instead of service to reload nginx |
| 03:02.31 | savant | which breaks if you're on 14.04 since it still uses upstart |
| 03:02.35 | Hydroxide | invoke-rc.d is correct on ubuntu and upstart too |
| 03:02.41 | Hydroxide | it's an abstraction layer |
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| 03:03.11 | Hydroxide | I have no doubt that ubuntu supports invoke-rc.d on upstart because otherwise they would have been broken for a very long time on the many debian packages they import unmodified :) |
| 03:03.26 | savant | heh im just saying that they changed that but forgot to actually add a rotate script |
| 03:03.28 | savant | https://github.com/progrium/dokku/issues/1578 |
| 03:03.29 | Hydroxide | plus debian has also been shipping upstart as a non-default option |
| 03:03.29 | Hydroxide | ah |
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| 03:04.00 | savant | and there is a lovely confirmed issue on launchpad |
| 03:06.06 | savant | Should `invoke-rc.d` be called under sudo? |
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| 03:07.17 | Hydroxide | well it needs to be run as root. requiring sudo is a bit of an unnecessary constraint though |
| 03:07.28 | Hydroxide | if you want to stick with that constraint, you can stick with it |
| 03:08.09 | Hydroxide | but keep in mind everything that happens during a typical package installation is run as root by default because the whole package process is as root |
| 03:09.11 | savant | yeah |
| 03:09.18 | savant | this is for things that happen under the dokku user |
| 03:09.31 | savant | for instance, it needs to reload/restart nginx on occasion |
| 03:09.43 | savant | so it needs access to whatever allows that to occur |
| 03:10.00 | savant | in our case, we add the exact command to a sudoers file |
| 03:10.00 | Hydroxide | ah, then yeah you might need sudo - though you'd also want to drop a file into /etc/sudoers.d |
| 03:10.08 | savant | and then execute just that command |
| 03:10.15 | savant | echo "%dokku ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d nginx reload, /usr/sbin/nginx -t" > /etc/sudoers.d/dokku-nginx |
| 03:10.17 | savant | :) |
| 03:10.26 | Hydroxide | right :) |
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| 03:11.30 | Hydroxide | well if it isn't the sort of thing that would ever be happening at package maintenance time but only during normal operation, it probably doesn't matter whether you use invoke-rc.d or service, but *shrug* not a big deal, that seems sane enough |
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| 03:12.54 | savant | just want to do it correctly for debian if possible |
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| 03:18.22 | savant | not too bad for a first pass |
| 03:18.23 | savant | https://github.com/progrium/dokku/pull/1607/files |
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| 03:21.04 | lukwos | Hi everyone ! I'm planing to do the LPIC1, does anyone have any advice for a beginner? Thank you! |
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| 04:15.26 | Hydroxide | savant: cool, nice to see the progress! enjoy the rest of your night! |
| 04:15.39 | Hydroxide | savant: and dokku looks neat :) |
| 04:17.24 | savant | thanks, adios! |
| 04:17.35 | Hydroxide | waves |
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| 04:47.03 | cheako | Unable to initialize the Clutter backend: http://pastebin.com/Hj1UjY4S |
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| 04:49.56 | ausbin | cheako, what release? |
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| 04:51.38 | cheako | sid, with some jessie. |
| 04:52.10 | cheako | it broke when I needed to pull gnome from sid... I forget why. |
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| 04:54.21 | cheako | I've noted a number of pkgs that were missing versioned depends. I'd be nice to be able to issue a reminder to all uploaders. |
| 04:56.18 | cheako | ...Though I think I'd rather have arch i386 version of an amd64 kernel or a better solution than editing the arch of the amd64 pkg. |
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| 04:58.19 | cheako | I'll look at what would be done by apt-get -f -t sid dist-upgrade and see if anything stands out. |
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| 05:01.26 | XeonSquared | If I wanted to install to an SD card, what driver would I need for my 'disk' drive? |
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| 05:02.06 | cheako | most likely usb-storage |
| 05:02.24 | cheako | Should *just work* |
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| 05:02.56 | XeonSquared | http://i.imgur.com/hYMF82u.png this is what I'm trying to install to |
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| 05:08.12 | cheako | XeonSquared: Why? wouldn't the paravirtualized block device be better? |
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| 05:08.40 | cheako | Though as I suspected all you need is usb-storage. |
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| 05:09.16 | cheako | I've not done that with libvert, but you hope it would force usb on for you. |
| 05:09.24 | XeonSquared | cheako, I'm just testing for install onto an x86 tablet with a uSD card slot |
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| 05:09.36 | cheako | ahh :) |
| 05:09.51 | torpet | Hi all |
| 05:09.52 | cheako | It's not a t330chi is it? |
| 05:09.55 | torpet | In the last 2 hours ive been trying to enable this systemd user unit: https://github.com/lemenkov/systemd-user-units/blob/master/user/xmodmap.service |
| 05:09.55 | cheako | err 300 |
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| 05:10.13 | torpet | When i manually execute /usr/bin/xmodmap /etc/X11/Xmodmap everything works fine |
| 05:10.15 | XeonSquared | It's an Asus |
| 05:10.26 | torpet | but when i do it via systemctl, the return is always 1/failed |
| 05:10.44 | torpet | any idea why? |
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| 05:11.03 | cheako | hmm, you may want to use the USB cable... My asus transformer book wouldn't boot from the SD card for the life of me. |
| 05:13.00 | XeonSquared | I'll see what I end up doing |
| 05:13.11 | XeonSquared | I was gonna abuse UEFI on the internal storage into loading GRUB on the SD card |
| 05:14.39 | XeonSquared | I might end up just installing to internal storage anyway |
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| 05:15.03 | valdyn | torpet: why are you trying to do this via systemd? |
| 05:15.22 | cheako | If you've the same no bios support for the SD card as I do then you'll need a uefi strap that has usb and usb-storage drivers. |
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| 05:15.48 | cheako | I might look at openbios. |
| 05:16.59 | cheako | Otherwise you'll be looking at putting grub in the efi partition and putting /boot somewhere else on the drive. |
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| 05:18.39 | torpet | valdyn: i think that's the only way possible |
| 05:18.55 | torpet | otherwise after suspend/resume the setting gets lost |
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| 05:22.48 | cheako | grub supports NTFS so it shouldn't be a problem to have /boot on one of the windows partitions. |
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| 05:28.33 | XeonSquared | I've used ntfs as /boot before so |
| 05:28.54 | XeonSquared | should be fine |
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| 05:44.17 | Zequal | hmm, can't seem to get the truncate to work properly. |
| 05:44.40 | Zequal | the tool 'truncate' |
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| 05:57.48 | saptech | greetings all |
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| 05:59.02 | saptech | I was told you could install & run Debian from source, similar to how Gentoo works |
| 05:59.38 | saptech | researching this, it does seem feasable, but one question I have. |
| 06:00.10 | zenlunatic | let me guess, why |
| 06:00.15 | saptech | If say I'm doing this using stable branch, what happens when testing turns stable? |
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| 06:01.11 | saptech | not why, sounds like a fun project I could do :) |
| 06:02.12 | Hydroxide | no idea about doing that kind of thing - never heard of anyone doing it with debian actually though people do full-archive rebuilds to ensure the packages build |
| 06:02.15 | Hydroxide | however |
| 06:02.19 | Hydroxide | if you manage to do it |
| 06:02.30 | Hydroxide | anything using the name 'stable' will follow to the next stable release |
| 06:02.39 | Hydroxide | anything using the specific codename like 'jessie' will not follow |
| 06:02.45 | Hydroxide | and will stay on jessie |
| 06:02.47 | Hydroxide | make sense? |
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| 06:02.53 | Hydroxide | that's how it works for binary packages |
| 06:02.53 | saptech | yes |
| 06:03.07 | Hydroxide | great. |
| 06:03.56 | saptech | do you think it would be best to use stable instead of jessie? in your opinion |
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| 06:04.21 | Hydroxide | saptech: it's not goint to matter much until some time mid-2017 anyway since jessie released earlier this year :) |
| 06:04.51 | Hydroxide | saptech: if you're doing unattended automatic upgrades, definitely use jessie instead of stable to avoid some major disruption |
| 06:05.18 | saptech | ok, by then I'll probably have broken it or got tired of it |
| 06:05.34 | Hydroxide | saptech: if you upgrade only manually when you're present and pay attention to release timing mid-2017 maybe the other way around since you won't want to stay on old sofware too long |
| 06:05.35 | saptech | well I don't do unattended upgrades |
| 06:05.38 | Hydroxide | but, yeah |
| 06:06.03 | saptech | ok, thanks. I may try it just for kicks |
| 06:06.22 | Hydroxide | yeah, for that kind of just-for-kicks thing at this point in the release cycle that decision won't matter. what procedure are you following to do this? |
| 06:07.08 | saptech | I found someone's comment on how to do it. I haven't found nothing concrete on doing. any suggestions? |
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| 06:07.20 | swift110 | hey all |
| 06:07.42 | Hydroxide | saptech: not from me, sorry |
| 06:08.05 | saptech | here is what I found |
| 06:08.09 | saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/788b3d2570e6 |
| 06:08.40 | saptech | it mentions ubuntu but i'll use debian |
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| 06:09.51 | saptech | hiya swift110 |
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| 06:18.01 | shawn | saptech: why do you want to rebuild the whole system? |
| 06:18.43 | saptech | no real reason, something to tinker with in spare time |
| 06:18.57 | shawn | you can do this with a minimal chroot |
| 06:19.29 | saptech | you mean from a running system? |
| 06:19.32 | shawn | by doing it in a chroot you can keep your base system untouched |
| 06:20.11 | saptech | I'll keep it in mind |
| 06:20.35 | shawn | look up "debootstrap" and "chroot" with your favorite search engine |
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| 06:21.05 | saptech | Hydroxide, thanks for the advice |
| 06:21.24 | saptech | shawn, thanks for that |
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| 06:23.21 | saptech | shawn, I would start off with a net install |
| 06:23.33 | shawn | saptech: break your problems up into smaller pieces. try the apt-build world on the smallest possible debian system and then work your way up |
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| 06:23.41 | saptech | once you start installing other stuff, doing a complette rebuild will take ages |
| 06:23.51 | shawn | debootstrap is a tool which uses apt to download a complete debian system |
| 06:24.18 | saptech | right, ok |
| 06:24.38 | shawn | you can install to an arbitrary directory with debootstrap, chroot to "change root to arbitrary directory" |
| 06:24.38 | saptech | I never had used debootstrap before |
| 06:24.48 | saptech | have* |
| 06:25.00 | shawn | then you run your apt-build world experiment |
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| 06:25.59 | swift110 | how are you saptech |
| 06:27.32 | torpet | i have plaxed with kernel 4 on jessie |
| 06:27.35 | saptech | I'm doing fine |
| 06:27.38 | torpet | but i want to get rid of it, which is basically no problem |
| 06:27.54 | torpet | but linux-bas eis updated to 4.0 and when i want to remove it to replace it with 3.5 it wants to remove the current runnin gkernel |
| 06:27.56 | swift110 | good to hear |
| 06:27.57 | torpet | *kernel |
| 06:28.00 | torpet | any idea how to fix that? |
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| 06:28.19 | shawn | saptech: also if you decide you want to play this game on a complete desktop system, look into setting up ccache |
| 06:28.38 | shawn | that way it will only take a long time once :) |
| 06:28.49 | saptech | ok |
| 06:28.57 | saptech | taking notes |
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| 06:32.45 | saptech | thanks again for the advice |
| 06:33.14 | saptech | I'll probably try next weekend with this |
| 06:34.37 | shawn | do it now >:| |
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| 06:35.32 | shawn | I guess I will try it now, lol |
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| 06:43.52 | saptech | I'm not running Debian at this time |
| 06:44.43 | shawn | saptech: you can use debootstrap from another distro |
| 06:45.03 | saptech | hmmm, how? |
| 06:45.11 | ausbin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.26 | swift110 | ok |
| 06:45.47 | saptech | hmmm, interesting |
| 06:45.52 | shawn | well you can download the package, extract it and add the bin and lib dirtectories to your $PATH and $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 06:46.16 | shawn | but many distros have debootstrap in their archives |
| 06:46.24 | shawn | e.g. arch or fedora |
| 06:46.34 | saptech | so you saying debootstrap will install a base inside a directory on current distro? |
| 06:46.40 | saptech | yes I see it |
| 06:46.46 | shawn | yep |
| 06:47.01 | saptech | then chroot into it to play with? |
| 06:47.08 | shawn | yep |
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| 06:54.27 | XeonSquared | so, is it possible to boot a disk image using the Windows bootloader so I can install without the SD card? |
| 06:55.17 | shawn | XeonSquared: you want to install without an sd card, what about a usb stick? |
| 06:55.27 | XeonSquared | no USB ports |
| 06:55.31 | XeonSquared | and no OTG cable |
| 06:55.53 | shawn | why dont you want to use the sdcard? |
| 06:56.03 | XeonSquared | UEFI doesn't see it as bootable |
| 06:56.20 | shawn | is this a surface? |
| 06:56.42 | XeonSquared | Some Asus |
| 06:56.43 | saptech | shawn, would I need to setup networking and other things? |
| 06:56.55 | valdyn | XeonSquared: can you remove the real boot disk and plug it in somewhere else? |
| 06:57.09 | XeonSquared | If I could open the tablet, perhaps |
| 06:57.31 | valdyn | XeonSquared: ok, a tablet |
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| 06:58.34 | XeonSquared | Somehow I'm guessing it's soldered on though |
| 06:58.36 | shawn | saptech: you only need to copy your valid /etc/resolv.conf into the chroot |
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| 06:59.22 | saptech | shawn, ok. so if I get out of chroot then to go back just chroot each time I want to use it? |
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| 07:00.09 | shawn | you have to mount some directories, theres a goo page on gentoo wiki on this and they have a suggested init script for entering chroot |
| 07:00.29 | shawn | but i recommend just typing the mount commands in manually until you memorize them |
| 07:00.33 | saptech | yes I know about the /proc and other mounts need to be done |
| 07:00.36 | shawn | trust me it will save your bacon one day |
| 07:00.38 | shawn | oh ok |
| 07:01.04 | shawn | yeah you can just chroot in and out of it whenever you want |
| 07:01.37 | shawn | s/goo page/good page |
| 07:02.06 | saptech | got it. well, start with the minimum and work on it tomorrow while mrs. saptech is at church or wherever...lol |
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| 07:03.58 | XeonSquared | gah |
| 07:04.13 | XeonSquared | installing Linux on this is impossible until I get an OTG cable |
| 07:04.34 | saptech | shawn, thanks again |
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| 07:12.17 | BW^-_ | how do you make Debian go MBR? |
| 07:12.25 | BW^-_ | i think it went UEFI now |
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| 07:20.12 | dshbusiness | Hi, I have a strange question. My wireless connection is always lost. I have to shutdown the wireless connection in NetworkManger-applet and turn it on. But after that, for a few minitutes or half an hour, the wireless connection lose again. |
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| 07:20.22 | dshbusiness | How can I solve this problem? |
| 07:20.24 | dshbusiness | Thanks |
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| 07:20.53 | Teachmehow | Hi |
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| 07:21.28 | Teachmehow | How do i install extensions on iceweasel? |
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| 07:25.29 | torpet | If I wanted to install VirtualBox, should I use the backport or just the deb mirror from Oracle? |
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| 07:31.29 | valdyn | Teachmehow: from inside iceweasel or via apt-get |
| 07:33.10 | rdr | most iceweasel plugins in the repo are named xul.ext. |
| 07:33.13 | Teachmehow | valdyn: how to do it within iceweasel |
| 07:33.14 | Teachmehow | ? |
| 07:33.33 | valdyn | Teachmehow: extras -> addons |
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| 07:35.41 | Teachmehow | ok |
| 07:35.41 | Teachmehow | rdr: i want to install firebug. what do i type in the terminal? |
| 07:36.03 | Teachmehow | valdyn: okay :D |
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| 07:38.15 | valdyn | Teachmehow: i think in general you should learn some debian basics |
| 07:38.24 | valdyn | Teachmehow: now you can "apt-get install xul-ext-firebug" |
| 07:39.16 | XeonSquared | Do any of the 32-bit CDs include UEFI? |
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| 07:47.13 | cast | ....OK. naturally as soon as i ask i notice table takes a --showkeys arg. |
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| 08:00.03 | enthdegree | how do i make mkdir not complain if the directory already exists |
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| 08:00.17 | enthdegree | without sending all its errors (possibly real ones) to the trash |
| 08:00.21 | skyroveRR | enthdegree: "mkdir -p" |
| 08:00.26 | skyroveRR | O.o |
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| 08:01.13 | enthdegree | maybe -p will work |
| 08:01.20 | enthdegree | but that might suppress too much |
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| 08:45.31 | alfatau | hello all. I need to keep 2 servers synchronized. Because of the current settings, I cannot immediately migrate to a dfs so I've to handle a period in which I have to periodically (e.g. 2 times per day) sync the master server to the slave one. For data directories, the solution is trivial. I'm instead troubled about root directory. Can you advise me some best practice related to my problem? |
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| 08:51.56 | dutchfish | alfatau, is this a master/slave setup or do you want to synchronize it in both directions? |
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| 08:53.52 | dutchfish | alfatau, iow have they indentical netconnectivity setup? |
| 08:53.56 | alfatau | it's a master/slave setup. if the master goes offline, i want to manually switch the server |
| 08:54.30 | dutchfish | alfatau, oh, so a cold standby? |
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| 08:56.32 | alfatau | dutchfish: yes. the server have identical hw. both have 2 ethernet cards where one is dedicated for the synchronization and the second is connected to a switch only for the master. when it's needed to switch the idea is to connect the slave to the switch and unplug the master. |
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| 08:57.10 | dutchfish | alfatau, well, what i do is, i use git for all the setup and pull that on a shedule to a config storing box, which the slave(s) receives. For the user data i use rsync, because its better in performance. All the slave have unique net setups, which ar enot synced. |
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| 08:58.32 | dutchfish | alfatau, but look at the git package for /etc, /bin and /sbin are trivial |
| 08:59.05 | dutchfish | alfatau, that way, you can even get it to hot standby, if needed one day |
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| 08:59.40 | dutchfish | alfatau, make sure, to store all the config nitty gritty outside the pool and backup that frequently |
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| 09:00.18 | alfatau | dutchfish: "git package for etc" are you pointing me to this https://github.com/joeyh/etckeeper? |
| 09:00.27 | dutchfish | alfatau, yes |
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| 09:01.04 | dutchfish | alfatau, http://hyperprog.com/howto/etc-git.html |
| 09:01.28 | dutchfish | alfatau, that way you roll back and forth on a jiffy |
| 09:01.47 | dutchfish | alfatau, after all you need to maintain both master(s) and slave(s) |
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| 09:02.48 | dutchfish | alfatau, i have no direct syncing of that git from master to slave, instead i have a separate box that contains git pool (protected) |
| 09:03.13 | dutchfish | alfatau, so i can work on a test box and cimmit if all is fine |
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| 09:03.22 | dutchfish | s/cimmit/commit |
| 09:03.31 | Lauwenmark | Hi. I'm using an usb keyboard with french layout on Jessie. No problem in text console, the layout is correct. But X starts with the qwerty (us?) layout instead of the French one. How do I tell it to use the fr layout instead? Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/W2Q993kt and /etc/default/keyboard: http://pastebin.com/T9PPqS3h . |
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| 09:04.37 | alfatau | dutchfish: ok. seems interesting. however, i'm still troubled about the "whole" root folder. so. let's suppose that i need to upgrade some software for example due to security issues. i've to sync the slave server with the upgrades. can you advise a best-practice for this problem? |
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| 09:05.26 | dutchfish | alfatau, with all that i have complete control implmenting updates/upgrades and deal with. I dont sync root folders, you cant as an example do /tmp /proc etc, because they contain unique runstates. |
| 09:06.16 | dutchfish | alfatau, furthermore i have backups of the complete offline image, because all my boxes are virtualized |
| 09:06.36 | dutchfish | alfatau, as a safetynet |
| 09:07.13 | dutchfish | alfatau, and those are easy to maintain, because you have already a shadowbox as slave(s) |
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| 09:08.09 | SirLagz | Lauwenmark: probably a WM setting...what WM do you use? |
| 09:08.45 | Lauwenmark | SirLagz: It happens even at the xdm/slim/kdm stage. I currently am on fvwm. |
| 09:08.58 | dutchfish | alfatau, so upgrades go like this, upgrade a shadow, commit your git locally on that box, sync that to the git pool, git dif and inspect all the changes, update the next and pull the git etc |
| 09:09.00 | alfatau | dutchfish: yes, i know. the master server in fact runs virtual machines. |
| 09:09.15 | dutchfish | alfatau, ok |
| 09:10.04 | SirLagz | Lauwenmark: I'd check for locale settings in the WM config maybe? |
| 09:10.13 | SirLagz | Lauwenmark: taking a stab in the dark here though |
| 09:10.37 | dutchfish | alfatau, as i sad, userdata goes over rsync, but that ha snothing to do with the inner workings of the boxes or handling updates/upgrades |
| 09:11.14 | Lauwenmark | SirLagz: The WM should not influence xdm/slim AFAIK. Thjough I'll check anyway. |
| 09:12.04 | dutchfish | alfatau, for the virtual hosts i take another route, because i hot move vm's out to others in the pool, so i can do offline dumps of the hosts |
| 09:12.13 | SirLagz | Lauwenmark: I'm out of ideas then |
| 09:12.49 | Lauwenmark | So am I. I don't see what's wrong in the configuration. That's the 1st time I get such an issue when installing a system. |
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| 09:13.48 | alfatau | dutchfish: yes, i understand. i was looking for some tool able to rsync the root directory back from a backup, reboot the system and have the latest backupped state active. one of the methods i was thinking to is to create a "slave" root volume (the servers are running LVM) which has to be keep synced. when needed to plug the slave, the system must boot from the master volume instead of booting from the slave one. what do you think about t |
| 09:13.50 | jaggzt | hmm.. my mount -t cifs (to mount an smb share from another system) doesn't error, but gives mount's help.. |
| 09:13.51 | alfatau | his? |
| 09:14.21 | Lauwenmark | SirLagz: I'm calling a "setxkbmap fr" upon user session startup, which works, but is not sufficient, as the keyboard layout on the logon screen is still wrong. Huge issue when typing passwords. |
| 09:14.24 | jaggzt | mount -t cifs //ip/share /path -o username=fluffy,workgroup=monacle |
| 09:14.47 | dutchfish | alfatau, that would be fine, but rem that you cant sync machinestates as i told you, think /tmp /proc and so on |
| 09:15.29 | jaggzt | Lauwenmark, this is ubuntu, but does it help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/328952/how-do-i-change-the-login-managers-keyboard-layout |
| 09:15.33 | alfatau | dutchfish: yes, of course. these states are anyway changed when the system reboots. |
| 09:15.48 | dutchfish | alfatau, also because of security reasons, you dont want all slaves to have the same MAC address as an example ;) |
| 09:16.19 | dutchfish | alfatau, true, but i dont want to reboot systems |
| 09:16.36 | dutchfish | alfatau, unless we have a kernel change |
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| 09:17.18 | dutchfish | alfatau, thats why we want shadows in the first place, do we? |
| 09:17.38 | alfatau | dutchfish: ok, for the infrastructure i have to mantain it's possible to accept a 2-hours downtime for "disaster-recovery". |
| 09:17.44 | Lauwenmark | jaggzt: Unfortunately not. I'm not using Gnome or GDM (so I rule that part out), the /etc/default/keyboard is indeed matching my keyboard map (so that one is correct), and I'm not using lightdm. |
| 09:18.14 | dutchfish | alfatau, reread all i have said, within that is a system you dont need downtime. |
| 09:18.59 | dutchfish | alfatau, unless to safetynets fail at the same time, but that is unlikely |
| 09:18.59 | SnitraM | I'm confused. I tried to get the source of my current running kernel with "apt-get source linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64". What I got was linux-4.2.3. It seems I'm doing somthing wrong. |
| 09:19.19 | dutchfish | alfatau, s/to/two |
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| 09:19.34 | alfatau | dutchfish. thank you very much. another problem I'm trying to solve is the "machine-id": |
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| 09:20.50 | dutchfish | alfatau, ha, walked into that myself, machines id's are done, by dhcp address reservations and proper DNS setup for the local lan's, a small script sets that on boot |
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| 09:21.38 | dutchfish | alfatau, so, all members in the pool are the same and have no hostname, ID, they are set on boot instead |
| 09:21.47 | alfatau | the machine-id is a random string generated during the installation. the idea was to handle network configuration/boot profiles based on that string in order to simplify the manual switch from master to server and (when master has been restored) backword to master. |
| 09:22.30 | alfatau | dutchfish: ah, ok... on boot! how did you manage it? |
| 09:22.53 | dutchfish | alfatau, delve into autoconfiguration through DNS ;) thats how i do setup pools and also clusters |
| 09:23.30 | alfatau | dutchfish: interesting: so you have a third "external" dns server? |
| 09:23.32 | dutchfish | alfatau, as in clusternodes are agnostic about there indentities |
| 09:24.26 | dutchfish | alfatau, it could be a 3th or a split brain setup for the authoritive one in your lans |
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| 09:25.49 | dutchfish | alfatau, you need to make sure your vlan-ing keeps a sane administratative subnet to make it secure, of couse. |
| 09:26.03 | dutchfish | alfatau, have fun |
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| 09:26.57 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 09:26.57 | dpkg | debianlove is, like, the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 09:29.49 | dutchfish | alfatau, needless to say, it all depends on your needs and how big your envirenment will be, if all this needs to be done in an automated fashion or manually. If the needs are small, take the parts to make your life easy and secure only. |
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| 09:48.45 | Lauwenmark | Hi. I'm using an usb keyboard with french layout on Jessie. No problem in text console, the layout is correct. But X starts with the qwerty (us?) layout instead of the French one. How do I tell it to use the fr layout instead? Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/W2Q993kt and /etc/default/keyboard: http://pastebin.com/T9PPqS3h . |
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| 09:51.24 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, i could be worng, but i believe keyboard setup in WM is maintained by the window manager also see: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard#How_to_switch_a_keyboard_layout_in_X11_.2F_graphical_desktop_environment |
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| 09:52.16 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, most wm's have a setup tool in the configuration pane |
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| 09:52.56 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Yes, but the issue happens before any wm is loaded, that is, at the xdm/slim stage. I can configure the keyboard in the user environment, but it only applies after logon took place, not before. |
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| 09:53.30 | dutchfish | !tzdata |
| 09:53.31 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 09:54.17 | dutchfish | !locales |
| 09:54.17 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 09:55.55 | dutchfish | and last one dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 09:56.41 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, all those influence the setup, locality and timezone, keyboard layout and somehow depend on eachother until the WM gets active |
| 09:56.52 | Lauwenmark | I already tried re-running dpkg-reconfigure locales and keyboard-configuration, to no avail. |
| 09:57.50 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, what WM you are using? |
| 09:58.37 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: This is a clean install with minimal amount of stuff so far. I tried with fvwm and twm. And tried xdm and slim as login managers. |
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| 09:59.15 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, ok |
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| 09:59.54 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, have you tried SLIM instead of xdm? |
| 10:00.01 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Yes, same result. |
| 10:00.16 | dutchfish | scratches head |
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| 10:00.54 | Lauwenmark | I also tried editing /etc/slim.conf, setting "xserver_arguments -nolisten tcp -layout fr" to no avail. |
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| 10:01.28 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, all i know is that SLIM eeds to be told what to use, ie `setxkbmap some_layout` |
| 10:01.35 | dutchfish | s/eeds/needs |
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| 10:02.15 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: See above. And why wouldn't it pick up the default layout anyway? Makes no sense. Same for xdm - it is supposed to pick the layout. |
| 10:02.55 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: setxbmap fr works once the user is logged in, so the fr layout is definitely available, too. |
| 10:02.57 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, well, depending on localities installed, if none it defaults to US_EN |
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| 10:03.47 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: The locale *is* installed. I selected all fr* locales in the list, and choose fr_BE.UTF-8 as the default. environment shows they are properly set up. |
| 10:04.06 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, and is fr made active default in dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 10:04.29 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, or whatever locales/keyb you want |
| 10:04.34 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Yes, that's what I'm saying. Makes no difference if I set default as fr_BE or fr_FR. |
| 10:04.58 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, a sec, i check something out |
| 10:05.59 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, can you pastebin (not in here) what is in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols ? |
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| 10:08.23 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/M04P2CCS |
| 10:09.19 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: err http://pastebin.com/4HHjNxFA sorry, wrong paste. |
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| 10:10.25 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, ok, you can however force slim to use what you want in /etc/slim.conf something like xserver_arguments -layout dvorak (or any other layout), have you tried that? |
| 10:10.49 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: See above. I tried that, didn't work. |
| 10:12.00 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: slim.conf: http://pastebin.com/5FxV1vAx |
| 10:13.17 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, 2 more places to look at is /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi and missing /etc/rc.conf but that would be a slim bug |
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| 10:13.38 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, because in jessie things have changed alot |
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| 10:13.49 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Yep, but that would also be an xdm bug... Sounds difficult to believe. Lemme paste those. |
| 10:14.14 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, yes, i dropped also my jaw |
| 10:14.21 | Lauwenmark | mmm. There seem to be no "/etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi " |
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| 10:14.55 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, checking something out, a sec again |
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| 10:15.24 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Sure. Searching where debian puts that fdi file in the meantime :) |
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| 10:15.44 | BW^- | Uuu, by some reason, no GPT.boot partition was created when i installed debian, so i need to do that now, retroactively. |
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| 10:16.02 | BW^- | Any thoughts on how i do this? |
| 10:17.03 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, no more /etc/hal/ so i wonder where it need to get its config from now |
| 10:18.38 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: I admit I am more than puzzled by the problem myself. |
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| 10:19.38 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, it looks if it has been fixed in unstable http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/s/slim/unstable_changelog , maybe you can backport it |
| 10:20.02 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, bug #756519 |
| 10:20.03 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/756519 in slim (closed): «Toggling session with "F1" key does not work anymore»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-07-30; last modified: 2015-03-19. |
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| 10:20.36 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: what about xdm then? |
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| 10:21.16 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, dunno, i havent been using slim/xdm mysel fin ages. Sorry about that. But others would have run into the sam eissue i gues |
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| 10:22.41 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: I admit some disappointment. No one so far seems to understand how X decides to assign keyboard layouts, and why the information is not properly carried over to the application layer (in that case, the login manager). |
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| 10:23.47 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, xdm (1:1.1.9-1) also has some fixes in relation to keyboards, sigh, this is going ackward |
| 10:24.25 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, well, i am certainly not an expert on this, just as user |
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| 10:25.35 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: afaikt, #756519 is not related to the keyboard layouts, though I'll try anyway to compile a backport. And yeah, I understand. Though I don't seem to be able to find any expert on this. I feel somehow lost. |
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| 10:26.28 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, well, in here at times there are users with lots of knowledge about this topic, maybe try a bit later |
| 10:27.09 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, i am on CEST but many are not |
| 10:27.59 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Maybe, though admittedly, I cannot spend days waiting for clues. I don't even know where to find uptodate information on how X handles this. Most is outdated or related to another distribution. |
| 10:28.44 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, maybe take a peak at the bugs https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=slim |
| 10:28.45 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: I've already been on that issue for a couple days tbh, going here was somehow my last idea. I don't know what to do or where to ask. |
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| 10:29.30 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, in here is fine, just be patient, until the other side of the ocean goes active some more |
| 10:31.16 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: mmm, I'll try, but I cannot afford several more days of downtime. Thanks for trying to help anyway. |
| 10:31.24 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, tip, delve over the existing bugs, if not found, file a bug yourself in slim |
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| 10:31.49 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, that is the fastest route, if nobody in here has a clue |
| 10:32.28 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Yes, but then what? I obviously cannot wait days or weeks before the bug gets corrected. I'm not even convinced it is a slim bug, as other login managers seem to display the exact same problem. |
| 10:32.47 | dutchfish | true |
| 10:33.19 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: I'll try asking #xorg, and maybe on the *sigh*buntu channels. Else I'll just have to scrap Debian for now. |
| 10:33.28 | SynrG | don't take it as implicit that waiting days or weeks is involved in filing a bug |
| 10:33.34 | SynrG | you can sometimes get immediate help |
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| 10:35.20 | Lauwenmark | SynrG: Yes, but then one needs to know for which package to file a bug. Filing the same bug for all login managers sounds quite not a proper procedure. |
| 10:35.35 | SynrG | right. so you divide and conquer |
| 10:35.50 | SynrG | if you can reproduce the issue even when using something other than slim, it's obviously not a slim issue |
| 10:36.08 | SynrG | e.g. lightdm is a very nice minimal *dm, and is default for many of debian's 'light' desktops |
| 10:36.24 | SynrG | and has a far better security record than slim, to top it off |
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| 10:38.09 | Lauwenmark | SynrG: So what? If the problem arises with lightdm, then I cannot obviously submit as lightdm bug, since we'd already know the problem exists regardless of the login manager. So where would I submit it, then? |
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| 10:38.58 | SynrG | aren't we still in conjecture-land? you could try it, and either a) it solves the problem or b) we look for another component common to both |
| 10:39.23 | Lauwenmark | SynrG: Ok, I try to install lightdm now and see how the keyboard works. brb. |
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| 10:41.15 | Lauwenmark | SynrG: Ok. Same issue with lightdm. |
| 10:41.29 | dionysus69 | i need to run virtualbox with root for some reason, how do I do that without opening up terminal every time? is it possible to make a link with a password prompt? |
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| 10:43.59 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, can i have a peak on the output of `xinput` please? |
| 10:44.00 | SynrG | Lauwenmark: good. then it's something more generally to do with keyboard layouts in Xorg. which debian release are you on? |
| 10:44.01 | Johann | dionysus69: i don't know which window manager or desktop environment you use, but you most probably can create a new "shorotcut" or something like that that run virtualbox with "gksudo" (package gksu) |
| 10:44.17 | Lauwenmark | SynrG: Jessie. |
| 10:44.27 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Sure, hang on. |
| 10:44.29 | dionysus69 | Johann: I am using gnome shell |
| 10:44.51 | dionysus69 | Johann: how is gksudo different from sudo? |
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| 10:45.05 | Johann | dionysus69: it prints the password prompt in a graphical window |
| 10:45.26 | dionysus69 | Johann: oh nice, so I ll try what you have suggested thanks :) |
| 10:45.46 | Johann | you're welcome |
| 10:46.00 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: xinput output: http://pastebin.com/wYhiWmZ9 |
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| 10:47.37 | deb999 | Hey everyone. I'm having an issue with my graphical login screen. I am unable to login to the graphical ui at all. All I see is a zoomed in cursor with black screen and that's it. I am able to switch to a diff tty and restart gdm3 but it just keep happening. I have also tried messing with the settings that are located in /etc/gdm3, didnt work, but that might be because I dont know exactly what to do and where to even begin |
| 10:47.44 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: More extensive one: http://pastebin.com/tEwxqvvu |
| 10:47.53 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, thanks, can i also look at the output of `dmesg` ? i think i am on to something |
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| 10:49.22 | dionysus69 | Johann: https://gist.github.com/webzorg/a6632184a496fc4d76a4 heres the link file, where do I put gksudo command? I tried inserting it in front of Exec but it gave me error "error running application" |
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| 10:49.37 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: dmsg output: http://pastebin.com/XEhYbRyi |
| 10:49.45 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, have a peak at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#-_Sample_One:_xorg.conf_.26_xorg.conf.d.2F10-evdev.conf specially On-demand disabling and enabling of input sources |
| 10:50.53 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, i have a hunch that is what is causing your problem |
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| 10:51.31 | Johann | dionysus69: i don't know the format of xdg-open conf files, sorry. |
| 10:51.42 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: howso? |
| 10:52.00 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, you have more then 1 input devices for keyb |
| 10:52.00 | dionysus69 | Johann: I think its this, gksudo -k -u root just for your information )) |
| 10:52.39 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, i would triage if debian after preboot is handing the right device to the WM |
| 10:53.15 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, at least slim will be confused about this |
| 10:53.16 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: There is more than one entry under "Virtual core keyboard". But I only have a single physical keyboard. |
| 10:53.26 | dutchfish | right |
| 10:54.06 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, so your problem is more likely found in X |
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| 10:54.36 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, dmesg's output seams ok, so thats not it |
| 10:54.39 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: I obviously cannot disable things like the Power Button. I don't know what the XTEST keyboard comes from, though. No idea about Eee PC WMI hotkeys. It could be related to the extra media keys of the keyboard, though I have no certainty. |
| 10:55.01 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: yep. The console mode is actually fine, so yep, definitely X related. |
| 10:55.27 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, the solution is in the last link i gave, it tells how to disable or blacklist things, try that first, if that helps you can delve deaper into X's config |
| 10:56.10 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, (just as a testcase, to figure it out) |
| 10:56.19 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: What is frustrating is that Xorg log file is giving no clue. It actually seems to properly assign "fr" to each successively detected eventdev device. I'll try disabling everything except keyboard itself. |
| 10:56.33 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, verbosity ;) |
| 10:56.59 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Where do you set the log verbosity for Xorg? I admit I never did that :) |
| 10:57.20 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, its in that link https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#-_Sample_One:_xorg.conf_.26_xorg.conf.d.2F10-evdev.conf |
| 10:57.50 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: also, mmm, the xinput command works when X is loaded. How to disable/blacklist upon X startup? |
| 10:58.19 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, something like sudo startx -logverbose 6 |
| 10:58.55 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, read about all in that link, it contains all the nitty gritty |
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| 10:59.42 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, if i had the time i would triage this for you, but i dont use SLIM anymor emyself |
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| 11:00.04 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: I don't either. I installed it because xdm failed. |
| 11:00.14 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, nor xdm |
| 11:01.01 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, fyi, i use either a console for most of my things or a full blown desktop under kdm |
| 11:01.43 | Lauwenmark | (really, dutchfish, can you show me where they tell about disabling a device from config. I think I'm missing it somehow. I feel really dumb on this) |
| 11:03.46 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, on the console `xinput --disable [#]` |
| 11:03.48 | Lauwenmark | (I used to use kdm too, but from what I just tried, it also has the same bug :/) |
| 11:03.59 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: It does not work before launching X. |
| 11:04.14 | dutchfish | eekh, so definity not the WM |
| 11:04.16 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: So how do I disable it in the config file is what I wanted. |
| 11:04.42 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Because once xinput can act, the xdm is already on, hence it is too late to prevent it being confused. |
| 11:04.46 | dutchfish | starts googling |
| 11:04.54 | Lauwenmark | does the same |
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| 11:05.40 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, got it |
| 11:05.48 | Lauwenmark | Ah, think I can try "Option "Ignore" "true"" |
| 11:06.02 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/ Add the option Option "Ignore" "true" to the relevant configuration file. |
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| 11:06.18 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, you won ;) |
| 11:06.22 | Lauwenmark | (though I'll have to create the relevant file, since there is currently none...) |
| 11:06.37 | dutchfish | nods |
| 11:07.02 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, but rem that Xorg is now dynamic in debian, o you need then an xorg.conf as well |
| 11:07.28 | Lauwenmark | Well, just a .conf file in there should suffice, no? |
| 11:07.30 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, xorg has tools to make one for you, its in the docs |
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| 11:11.31 | dionysus69 | why is it that writing users in terminal shows my username 4 times in a row and nothing else? |
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| 11:13.57 | pksadiq | dionysus69: Check the manpage. It prints the lists of users currently logged in. Probably you have 3 terminal sessions now open. |
| 11:14.21 | dionysus69 | pksadiq: thanks, that makes sense now :) |
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| 11:18.28 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Ok. I disabled every keyboard device from evdev. Now the "Virtual Core Keyboard" entry from xinput contains only "Virtual core XTEST keyboard" and nothing else. Yet same problem. |
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| 11:24.42 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, do you have a spare keyboard? |
| 11:25.28 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: I have several ones, both USB and PS2. |
| 11:26.13 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, i would try one of those first, just to find out it is not udev related |
| 11:26.44 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: ok. At this point, anything is worth trying :) |
| 11:26.59 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, for now we can assume, that it is prolly not X either |
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| 11:27.31 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, but somewhat deeper down the lane |
| 11:28.09 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Maybe, indeed. though it then baffles me the console mode has the proper layout. Anyway, going to dig under the desktop :) |
| 11:28.25 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, ok |
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| 11:38.29 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Ok, with another keyboard plugged in the same USB port, I now get the correct layout. And now I'm totally puzzled. |
| 11:39.15 | strk | I found out the machine I was trying to install debian 8 on a couple of days ago has a known BIOS bug: |
| 11:39.35 | strk | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/lenovo-b50-30-touch-no-kms-4175545914-print/ |
| 11:40.09 | strk | so now I'd like to try the BIOS upgrade to see if it helps, but Lenovo ships .exe files for windows 7, 8 or 8.1 to do that: http://support.lenovo.com/th/th/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-b-series-laptops/lenovo-b50-30-notebook/downloads/DS104434 |
| 11:40.18 | strk | do you think using Wine would be too much of a risk here ? |
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| 11:42.20 | towo` | strk, you can't do a bios upgrade with wine |
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| 11:42.41 | jmd | Does "amd64" embrace 64bit Intel processers ? |
| 11:42.47 | strk | towo`: ok, so that's out of question, thanks |
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| 11:42.56 | towo` | jmd, yes |
| 11:43.06 | jmd | towo`: Thanks. |
| 11:43.15 | jmd | (why the "amd" then?) |
| 11:43.30 | strk | so the only way for me to have a usable system would now be finding a windows CD and install that for the sole purpose of upgrading the BIOS ? Or would there be any other way ? |
| 11:43.49 | towo` | jmd because amd was the 1st company with that tecnology |
| 11:43.51 | Lauwenmark | jmd: historical reasons. amd were the first to implement the x86-64 instruction set |
| 11:44.05 | jmd | ok thanks. |
| 11:44.19 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: New Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/3217377 . |
| 11:45.43 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, does it work with that other keyb? because it looks now if udev is confused |
| 11:46.05 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, grep 'catchall' |
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| 11:46.38 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Yes, it does work with the other keyboard indeed. |
| 11:46.58 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: what do I need to grep ? |
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| 11:48.42 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, my mistake i misread the mouse section |
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| 11:49.02 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: no problemo :) |
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| 11:49.26 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, so you need to make a correct udev rule for that other keyboard that didnt work |
| 11:49.49 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, so that udev hooks properly can inform X |
| 11:49.51 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Yeah, but what kind of? I don't know what udev is borking. |
| 11:50.00 | mike432 | UBUNTU DEBIAN files released for encrypting E-Mail Client and Messenger GOLDBUG |
| 11:50.01 | mike432 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/goldbug/ |
| 11:50.10 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: It does configure it as keyboard, else I would get no keyboard input, no? |
| 11:50.32 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, well, examples enough on the net, google for your keyb with lspci numbers on how to config it |
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| 11:51.07 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, i didnt promise you a rosegarden, but you should be able to fix it now on your own |
| 11:51.21 | mike432 | https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Goldbug |
| 11:52.31 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, tip, boot again with the leyb that doesnt properly get recognized and what the respective udev rules for that device are if any |
| 11:52.39 | dutchfish | s/leyb/keyb |
| 11:53.33 | strk | wrote to lenovo support, asking for a bootable BIOS upgrader or other alternatives (would a bootable system be capable of upgrading a BIOS ?) |
| 11:54.00 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, sometimes udev makes mistakes and burbs rules for a wrong device, you can then blacklist that device |
| 11:54.11 | strk | I guess I should look at coreboot one day |
| 11:54.51 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: ok :) I have guests coming at home now so I'll have to check later on. At least it gives me a new bone to chew. If I can escape the dinner I'll try investigating further. |
| 11:55.08 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, have fun with the bugfixing, cheers |
| 11:55.20 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: And I believe I'll have to buy another box of aspirin :) |
| 11:55.30 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, ;) |
| 11:56.01 | Lauwenmark | dutchfish: Thanks. Will keep you informed if it ever explodes. Really never got such a weird HW issue since the 486 era :) |
| 11:56.08 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, patience is the key to success ;) |
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| 11:57.05 | dutchfish | Lauwenmark, that would be a whole topic of its own, but not so uncommon as you think, chiao |
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| 12:40.14 | jmd | I've got a netinst image on a USB device. How can I boot it from grub? |
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| 12:41.35 | towo` | jmd, why you don't boot directly from that stick |
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| 12:41.49 | Tipolosko | hi |
| 12:42.04 | jmd | I can't. I don't have access to the BIOS |
| 12:42.34 | towo` | why? |
| 12:42.52 | jmd | Hey! I'm the one asking the questions. |
| 12:43.01 | towo` | and btw, you don't need the bios, only the bbs bootmenu |
| 12:43.20 | jmd | bbs? |
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| 12:44.02 | jmd | I thought BBSs closed down at the end of the 1980s |
| 12:44.26 | Tipolosko | boot select menu :) |
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| 12:44.43 | jmd | Tipolosko: that would be BSM |
| 12:45.05 | dionysus69 | how do i start skype at startup? add skype command at rc.local? |
| 12:45.15 | towo` | its called different on every mainboard |
| 12:45.21 | jmd | But to answer towo` s question, I don't have access to that. |
| 12:45.25 | towo` | dionysus69, never |
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| 12:45.57 | Tipolosko | jmd: but you have grub, right? |
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| 12:46.01 | towo` | dionysus69, use the autostart-mechanism of your DE |
| 12:46.02 | jmd | Right |
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| 12:46.46 | dionysus69 | towo`: ok thanks :) but my gnome shell doesnt have such functionality atm i think |
| 12:47.09 | towo` | dionysus69, it has, you can believe |
| 12:47.15 | Tipolosko | at grub prompt write: |
| 12:47.20 | Tipolosko | root (hd1,0) |
| 12:47.26 | Tipolosko | chainloader +1 |
| 12:47.27 | Tipolosko | boot |
| 12:47.52 | dionysus69 | towo`: how do i find it :S? |
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| 12:48.08 | towo` | dionysus69, yren't you able to use a searchengine? |
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| 12:48.15 | jmd | Tipolosko: error: unknown command `root'. |
| 12:48.35 | Tipolosko | O_o |
| 12:48.36 | dionysus69 | towo`: will try )) |
| 12:48.43 | towo` | dionysus69, https://www.google.de/search?q=gnome3+autostart&oq=gnome3+autostart&aqs=chrome..69i57.3494j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 12:49.29 | Tipolosko | is grub2 or grub1? |
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| 12:49.40 | jmd | grub2 |
| 12:50.47 | jmd | I would have expected "set root = (hd0)" |
| 12:50.47 | Tipolosko | do you have a working linux system now? can Grub2 boot the internal os? |
| 12:50.48 | dionysus69 | towo`: thanks :)) |
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| 12:51.02 | jmd | Tipolosko: yes |
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| 12:52.20 | Tipolosko | you can try with set root=(hd1) chainloader +1 |
| 12:52.32 | dionysus69 | towo`: lol it turned out to be in tweak tool lmfo |
| 12:52.36 | mrtesty | so can I sell a gnu/linux distribution like Debian for 50 USD along with 6 month of support, and I won't even have to ever talk to Debian project. |
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| 12:52.54 | jmd | Well that is what I have been trying (except that hd0 is approprite, not hd1) |
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| 12:53.40 | jmd | I get: errror: invalid EFI file path. |
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| 12:55.50 | Tipolosko | do you get that after chainload +1 ? |
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| 12:56.01 | jmd | Tipolosko: yes |
| 12:56.51 | Tipolosko | you are using efi boot? |
| 12:57.02 | Tipolosko | is your os on usb disk efi capable? |
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| 12:57.21 | jmd | I have no idea |
| 12:57.48 | jmd | Its the debian 8.2.0 netinst so I would have thought so |
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| 12:59.14 | towo` | jmd, how you have put that image to that stick? |
| 12:59.14 | jmd | dd |
| 12:59.14 | jmd | Oh now I have it! |
| 12:59.27 | Tipolosko | uh? |
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| 12:59.43 | jmd | The secret is to type "chainloader (hd0)/efi/boot/bootx64.efi" |
| 12:59.58 | jmd | - but I have no idea why. |
| 13:00.21 | Tipolosko | yes, you have to specify the efi boot file (was reading for you :P) |
| 13:01.00 | Tipolosko | that's because your bios is booting in efi mode (afaik) |
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| 13:01.40 | jmd | One day I'll have to sit down and understand all this EFI stuff. |
| 13:01.59 | jmd | (by which time it'll be obsolete I expect) |
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| 13:03.59 | jmd | EFI and UEFI are two different things. Right ? |
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| 13:09.22 | Tipolosko | jmd: intel developed EFI, then UEFI has been developed |
| 13:09.53 | Tipolosko | btw same strange method to do simple things in a cryptic and unfriendly method |
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| 13:19.01 | dshbusiness | Hi, I have a strange problem here. My wifi drops every a few minutes. |
| 13:19.46 | dshbusiness | I have to turned down wifi in network-manager and reopen it. Then, after a few minutes, the connections drops again. |
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| 13:20.35 | dshbusiness | Could someone help? |
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| 14:09.10 | xreal | Can I find out, which (dev-)libraries have been needed to build an application or library? |
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| 14:09.30 | Tipolosko | you want to get dependencies? |
| 14:09.34 | Tipolosko | needed to run? |
| 14:09.56 | dvs | Tipolosko: needed to BUILD |
| 14:10.27 | towo` | apt-get build-dep app? |
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| 14:12.30 | markybob | xreal towo`, that'll only give you what you need to install (not including what you already have installed |
| 14:12.37 | markybob | xreal, you can /msg judd builddeps package |
| 14:13.05 | xreal | Tipolosko & markybob: no, the one, which were needed to build against. It isn't packaged. I've build it manually and can't remember all the packages I've installed for it :) |
| 14:13.48 | Tipolosko | xreal: well, afaik isn't possible |
| 14:13.55 | xreal | Tipolosko: ok :( |
| 14:14.03 | Tipolosko | if some lib is statically linked you won't be able to find that |
| 14:14.23 | xreal | Then I've got to setup a chroot and redo everything :) |
| 14:14.28 | Tipolosko | well at least i don't know how to |
| 14:14.31 | Tipolosko | new round! :D |
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| 14:33.18 | c0fe | i am trying to software a package but several of its dependencies are not installable, libboost-system1.49.0 for example |
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| 14:36.06 | somiaj | c0fe: what software package are you trying to install? Where did you get it? What version of debian are you actually running? |
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| 14:36.43 | c0fe | somiaj: plex tv, debian 8 netinstall |
| 14:36.50 | c0fe | somiaj: https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/87253/plex-home-theater-linux-builds |
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| 14:38.42 | somiaj | c0fe: two things I can think of. 1) your sources.list is not correctly configured for the debian mirrors. 2) You are trying to install a package that is not built for debian 8, but is either built for ubuntu or some other debian release and thus you cannot satisify the depends because it is not properly built for debian 8. We can't really support packages that someone else made that do not support debian. |
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| 14:38.59 | somiaj | ,v libboost-system1.49.0 |
| 14:39.00 | judd | Package: libboost-system1.49.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.49.0-3.2 |
| 14:39.21 | somiaj | seems the package was built for wheezy, you may have to find a way to compile the software from source code and not use a prebuilt package. |
| 14:39.59 | c0fe | strange |
| 14:40.54 | somiaj | not that strange, I see this issue happen a lot, someone wants software X, they find ranomd deb X.deb and it doesn't install because it wasn't built for the version of debian they are running. |
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| 14:41.43 | c0fe | somiaj: it is strange that they keep it as an update to install for plex tv, but where can i find the wheezy netinstall on debian website? |
| 14:42.29 | somiaj | look at getting debian, hey should have links to oldstable as well as stable there with the netinstall for wheezy still available. |
| 14:42.42 | somiaj | it will be in a similar location on the mirrors if you have the path. |
| 14:43.10 | somiaj | or try to get the source for the package and built it yourself. I'm unsure what libboost is and if it was replaced or not in jessie |
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| 14:43.51 | c0fe | somiaj: i am looking on debian's website but can't find the older versions |
| 14:44.19 | Gorwell | Hello, is there a possible way to hotplug an specific usb device? Not every usb device, just a specific one |
| 14:45.55 | somiaj | Gorwell: what do you mean by that, usb is hotplugable by design |
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| 14:47.04 | Gorwell | somiaj: sorry, I meant mount, not hotplug |
| 14:47.10 | c0fe | looks like the official debian website doesn't have any links to older versions whatsoever |
| 14:47.39 | somiaj | c0fe: yea I am seeing that, was trying to huntdown some oldstable installers. |
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| 14:48.15 | somiaj | Gorwell: I personally don't use an automounter and manually mount each and every device. If you are using a system which automounts usb devices you will have to configure it. |
| 14:48.39 | somiaj | Gorwell: the core level is udev is doing the even/mounting, so it is configurable, you just need to configure the right tool. I would first look at the automounter your desktop uses and see how to configure it |
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| 14:48.51 | c0fe | somiaj: that is just terrible |
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| 14:49.29 | Gorwell | somiaj: no, I'm not using any. I would like to automount just one specific usb device, don't know if it's possible. I know I can automount EVERY device with usbmount, but will check if I can configure it |
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| 14:50.05 | somiaj | Gorwell: ahh okay, look at udev. You can configure a custom event and you can make it so it only mounts the device if it is a paticular id |
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| 14:50.40 | somiaj | c0fe: http://ftp.cae.tntech.edu/debian-cd/ -- found that page, unsure how trustworthy it is. You can also use live.debian.net and get the oldstable live image and install from that. |
| 14:50.52 | Gorwell | somiaj: thanks |
| 14:51.13 | c0fe | somiaj: i already downloaded from that site, considering it ends in .edu i would say it is trustworthy |
| 14:51.17 | somiaj | c0fe: you can also try to do some more reaserch about getting that software you want to run on jessie. It just isn't working with the packages you found. |
| 14:52.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I am running debian, and I attempted to update my LSI MegaRaid Storage Manager, I ran the install and then the screen blinked and then the desktop background vanished all dialog boxed gave rows of squares along with the information they were providing and so I had to hard reboot as I could not restart ( used reset button ) and now the user in question cannot login at all, not even |
| 14:52.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | from the CLI. Ideas? |
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| 14:52.26 | c0fe | somiaj: this would be running on a home theater with no internet connection i really don't want to bust my head against something that isn't a security threat |
| 14:52.53 | somiaj | c0fe: well wheezy is still supported and some software will be supported for many years via wheezy-lts. (: |
| 14:53.21 | c0fe | somiaj: no internet connection so it wouldn't really matter |
| 14:53.23 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: can you log in as any user on that machine? You may need to boot into a live system or put the drive into another machine and chroot into the install and fix thigns. |
| 14:53.36 | somiaj | c0fe: just giving suggestions. Hopefully the package works nicely with wheezy. |
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| 14:53.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: I can login as root, and I can startx as root |
| 14:54.00 | c0fe | somiaj: hopefully otherwise i have to try arch and i do not want to do that |
| 14:54.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: any ideas as to what I need to fix? |
| 14:54.10 | c0fe | i really wish debian would name their releases after pokemon |
| 14:54.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: or where to look? |
| 14:54.26 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: what error do you get when you try to login as this new user? |
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| 14:54.48 | somiaj | c0fe: you'll just have to grow fond of toy story (: |
| 14:55.01 | dvs | the claw! |
| 14:55.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: it's not a new user and I do not get an error, I try to login as the specific user something flashes on the screen for .5 seconds and I cannot read it |
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| 14:55.50 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: even from the cli? Sounds like you have something in your .bashrc or someother config/script that gets parsed when you login. Maybe create a new user and copy over the configurations that work? |
| 14:56.14 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: I assume su - user as root ahs the same issue, but maybe su user as root doesn't. |
| 14:56.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: I can login at CLI as root but not the specific user in question |
| 14:56.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: what are you suggesting specifically? |
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| 14:57.16 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: I am suggesting track down the actual script that gets run when you login as that user giving you issues if you want to debug it. |
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| 14:58.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: I don't even know what is getting loaded. I tried SU and the username and get /bin/bash permission denied |
| 14:58.17 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: but without more info I can't really be of much more help than generic advise. 1) track down what is running when that user logs in that breaks. 2) create a new user and copy over configs one at a time until it is setup. |
| 14:58.38 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: ls -l /bin/bash |
| 14:58.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | sec |
| 14:58.58 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: that is a userful error, /bin/bash permission denied, sounds like something messed with your shell (which will cause login to fail) |
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| 14:59.20 | blackjack | how to install ssl on debian again |
| 14:59.26 | blackjack | i kinda forgot, the lib ssl thing |
| 14:59.34 | somiaj | !tell blackjack about search |
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| 14:59.37 | c0fe | somiaj: any ideas on how to install ttf-ubuntu-font-family on debian 7? |
| 14:59.40 | somiaj | blackjack: debian provides openssl I belive. |
| 14:59.55 | somiaj | c0fe: none, I usually just stick to debian only packages. |
| 15:00.00 | blackjack | is it libssl-dev ? |
| 15:00.15 | blackjack | apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 15:00.16 | blackjack | ? |
| 15:00.17 | blackjack | hmm |
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| 15:00.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: but I don't know what/how |
| 15:00.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: or where to look |
| 15:01.13 | somiaj | c0fe: as for fonts, at some level they are just fonts file you can put in .local/font or .fonts (forget the actual location). In that case you can ust dpkg -x to extract the fonts from that deb and just let the user have it locally |
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| 15:01.39 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: I told you, first ee why /bin/bash is giving you a permissions deneyd error, and I even gave you the command to type to check the permissions on /bin/bash |
| 15:01.55 | somiaj | blackjack: that is the development part of the libary if you are compiling code, may not be what you want. |
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| 15:02.02 | qknight | hey. i have a PPC64 bit endian platform here and https://www.debian.org/ports/ <- looking at these ports i conclude it is not supported, is that correct? |
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| 15:02.05 | c0fe | somiaj: ok well i will try ubuntu this time |
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| 15:02.55 | bjk_ | hello, i just upgraded some xorg packages and X no longer works. I still am using sysvinit. The error is: (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: PID 12545 does not belong to any known session. any ideas how to fix it for sysvinit? |
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| 15:03.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: su data-recovery |
| 15:03.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 15:03.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | su: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
| 15:03.08 | somiaj | c0fe: binary .deb's are not nicely made to be installed on various versions of debian or its derivatives. That might be the easiest way if what you want to use are not available in debian. |
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| 15:03.23 | somiaj | 07:58 < somiaj> THE_GFR|WORK: ls -l /bin/bash |
| 15:03.28 | c0fe | somiaj: looks like |
| 15:03.30 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: still waiting for the output of that line |
| 15:03.42 | c0fe | somiaj: i wish debian would change that though |
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| 15:03.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: won't help if I am logged in as root? |
| 15:04.13 | somiaj | c0fe: change what? this is just how binary packages work if they require shared objects. |
| 15:04.31 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: that command will work as root, give me the output if you are not correctly able to read permisions of files |
| 15:04.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: data-recovery ~ # ls -l /bin/bash |
| 15:04.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 955024 Apr 3 2012 /bin/bash |
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| 15:05.03 | c0fe | somiaj: the installation of binary items on any distro |
| 15:05.09 | somiaj | c0fe: two ways to get around it. 1) find packages made for debian, 2) get a static linked package (these are bigger) but they don't use the shared libaries on the machine except for maybe the libc6. |
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| 15:05.41 | somiaj | c0fe: then only get static linked libaries. These work, but the packages are way bigger than using a shared libary system. But as soon as you are using shared libaries, your binary has to match the versions of the share libaries on the release you are using. |
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| 15:06.31 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: ideas? |
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| 15:07.02 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: ls -ld /bin |
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| 15:07.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: ls -ld /bin |
| 15:07.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | drw-r--r-- 2 root root 4096 Jul 8 2014 /bin |
| 15:07.28 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: unsure, permisions seem fine but the permisions dened error means something has messed with the permisions so root is needed to run /bin/bash |
| 15:07.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: yea |
| 15:07.53 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: there is your problem, for some reason the exec bit on that directory got removed. 'chmod +x /bin' |
| 15:08.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: you're pretty good at this, thanks. Should I try logging in as that user now? |
| 15:09.11 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: I'd do the 'su - username' as root method so you get better output |
| 15:09.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: data-recovery ~ # su data-recovery |
| 15:09.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 15:09.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | su: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
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| 15:10.20 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: ls -ld / /bin /bin/bash |
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| 15:10.42 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: as to why you lost the exec bit on /bin, sounds like you ran some dangerous script that is leaving artificts on your machine |
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| 15:11.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: I just tried to install the LSI MegaRaid Storage Manager is all |
| 15:12.48 | somiaj | maybe your file system is being mounted noexec, but unsure why root is still able to exec /bin. Anyawys there is exec permission issues you need to track down |
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| 15:13.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: that's helpful but I don't know where to look |
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| 15:15.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/0SwVJdS1 |
| 15:15.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: that was the wrong error log apparently |
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| 15:18.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/th9fvC2b |
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| 15:18.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: that's the correct log now |
| 15:19.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: any ideas? |
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| 15:24.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: ideas? |
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| 15:51.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 15:52.23 | jelly | who you callin a peep, pal |
| 15:53.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey if you dont want to be called a sugar covered marshmellow then by all means, call your self something else |
| 15:53.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to figure out the best way to identify my broken disk in server, |
| 15:53.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | i know what the logical name is.. |
| 15:54.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | maybe i can get a model number? |
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| 15:54.29 | Tipolosko | you can use smartctl |
| 15:54.33 | Tipolosko | to get disk model and serial |
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| 15:55.01 | CtrlC | Hi, banshee does not produce any sound unless I run it via sudo. Why? |
| 15:55.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 15:56.09 | teraflops | CtrlC: pulseaudio? |
| 15:56.46 | BW^- | I trashed my mbr |
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| 15:56.46 | CtrlC | teraflops: Yes. |
| 15:56.50 | teraflops | also runnig shit like that with sudo is a nonsense |
| 15:56.57 | BW^- | From boot usb stick or Windows, whats easiest way to restore grub mbr? |
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| 15:57.22 | teraflops | CtrlC: then is it pretty obviuos it will not sound at all |
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| 15:57.27 | teraflops | it is* |
| 15:57.29 | Tipolosko | BW^-: have you lost Grub boot loader or mbr? |
| 15:57.36 | CtrlC | teraflops: Why is that so? |
| 15:57.48 | teraflops | CtrlC: you run pulse as user session? |
| 15:57.54 | CtrlC | I guess. |
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| 15:58.08 | Tipolosko | btw i would boot the same usb distro used in hd, then mount root, chroot, then reinstall grub |
| 15:58.11 | teraflops | then relaunch pulse with sudo too `I guess` |
| 15:58.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | well smartctrl just seemed to fail |
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| 15:58.23 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: i lost the MBR only |
| 15:58.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | disk is completly failed |
| 15:58.28 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: grub on the linux partition is intact |
| 15:58.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | i know what port i will work from that for now |
| 15:58.41 | CtrlC | teraflops: Why? What would it do then?:| |
| 15:58.44 | CtrlC | :\* |
| 15:59.08 | Tipolosko | you can reinstall grub in mbr |
| 15:59.15 | Tipolosko | or you want standard microsoft mbr? |
| 15:59.22 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: i want grub mbr!! |
| 15:59.23 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: how? |
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| 15:59.33 | teraflops | CtrlC: run pulse systemwide |
| 15:59.49 | Tipolosko | Bw_____: can you boot the live-version of the linux distro contained in your hd? |
| 16:00.06 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: yeah, but how do I boot my HD from an USB stick!? |
| 16:00.15 | galex|713 | Hi! |
| 16:00.17 | Tipolosko | you don't, let me explain |
| 16:00.19 | CtrlC | teraflops: I don't want to run banshee as root. right? |
| 16:00.22 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: i have hte "netinst" installer on a USB stick, i can get some kind of a "grub prompt" - |
| 16:00.26 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: aha i'm listening =) |
| 16:00.27 | teraflops | CtrlC: and or do your own research at the internet, as in http://askubuntu.com/questions/182238/sudo-and-sound-how-to-make-them-work-together |
| 16:00.32 | galex|713 | Erm, why canât I boot LiveDVD with qemu? |
| 16:00.35 | galex|713 | It says âno working init foundâ |
| 16:00.39 | Tipolosko | Bw_____, no, let get to a bash console # |
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| 16:01.09 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: on the "netinst" installer CD - bash? |
| 16:01.12 | CtrlC | teraflops: The problem is when I run banshee as a normal user. |
| 16:01.15 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: the netinst installer CD has almost no tools .. |
| 16:01.15 | Tipolosko | yes |
| 16:01.16 | CtrlC | not as root. |
| 16:01.16 | teraflops | CtrlC: sorry I got confused " Hi, banshee does not produce any sound unless I run it via sudo. Why?" |
| 16:01.24 | Tipolosko | we need only chroot and mount |
| 16:01.28 | Tipolosko | should be sufficient |
| 16:01.35 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: the harddrive is encrypted |
| 16:01.38 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: the /boot partition not |
| 16:01.38 | CtrlC | teraflops: Is it clear now? |
| 16:01.42 | Tipolosko | a-ha! :D |
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| 16:01.52 | teraflops | yes, the other way arround, srry |
| 16:01.53 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: I tried "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" and it said something like "node not found" |
| 16:01.54 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: WHILE |
| 16:01.58 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: dmesg clearly shows it's ther !! |
| 16:02.16 | teraflops | CtrlC: did you started that xorg session as root? |
| 16:02.24 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: so how do? =) |
| 16:02.40 | Tipolosko | do you use lvm? which encryption? |
| 16:02.43 | CtrlC | It's all a normal user login. Every thing as a normal user. |
| 16:02.47 | CtrlC | teraflops: ^ |
| 16:03.00 | teraflops | oh that's weird |
| 16:03.43 | Tipolosko | this is what is needed to do https://stephentanner.com/restoring-grub-for-an-encrypted-lvm.html |
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| 16:04.26 | Tipolosko | otherwise we can try to boot your system from usb grub bootloader |
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| 16:05.00 | teraflops | CtrlC: tried running as normal user from a terminal so you can see it complaining? |
| 16:05.04 | CtrlC | I guess I should add my user to a group for that. |
| 16:05.19 | c0fe | how can i check if there is any build of libboost-system for jessie? |
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| 16:05.19 | CtrlC | teraflops: Yes. nothing special. |
| 16:05.54 | CtrlC | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5740c293/ teraflops |
| 16:06.35 | galex|713 | Nobody? |
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| 16:07.32 | CtrlC | Anyone has any idea? |
| 16:07.51 | CtrlC | Maybe I should add my user to pulse-access or something? |
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| 16:08.25 | CtrlC | But why other stuff like vlc play audio? |
| 16:08.44 | c0fe | CtrlC: most likely it has the proper codecs |
| 16:08.56 | mtn | CtrlC, what are the permissions on your bansehh folder? |
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| 16:09.21 | CtrlC | c0fe: Like banshee needs plus for the codecs? |
| 16:09.34 | CtrlC | mtn: I installed it using apt-get. so... |
| 16:09.55 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: aha will check |
| 16:09.56 | c0fe | CtrlC: meaning VLC tends to have everything packaged together so it supports a wide variety of video and audio formats |
| 16:09.57 | mtn | CtrlC, run ls -la on the folder. what does it tell you? |
| 16:10.02 | CtrlC | mtn: You mean banshee. right? |
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| 16:10.10 | mtn | CtrlC, yes |
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| 16:10.43 | c0fe | how can i search for packages in jessie, specifically trying to see if libboost-system is in the stable release |
| 16:10.50 | CtrlC | c0fe: And why banshee doesn't play it unless ran as root? |
| 16:11.17 | CtrlC | mtn: Can you tell me the exact adress? |
| 16:11.44 | mtn | CtrlC, I don't use it. perhaps, .banshee? |
| 16:11.57 | CtrlC | in home? |
| 16:12.16 | c0fe | CtrlC: does the video have permissions to run as users? |
| 16:12.19 | mtn | CtrlC, yes, your home. in your file manager, hit ctrl+h to see hidden files. |
| 16:12.30 | CtrlC | c0fe: Yes for sure. |
| 16:12.58 | c0fe | CtrlC: then that is pretty dumb for that to happen, i have seen this happen with other application so its a linux going insane regarding security |
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| 16:13.45 | jhutchins | CtrlC: You probably need your user to be a member of the audio group, but troubleshooting pulseaudio is difficult. |
| 16:14.04 | c0fe | audio group? |
| 16:14.32 | mtn | CtrlC, if you run banshee using sudo, the files will be now owned by root. that is what I think has happened |
| 16:15.15 | CtrlC | I think the same mtn. But it is not my pc so it'll take a little time to get the answer. |
| 16:15.20 | jhutchins | CtrlC: Do other audio programs work as user? |
| 16:15.28 | CtrlC | jhutchins: yes. |
| 16:15.38 | jhutchins | CtrlC: If there is more than one user it could be a group issue. |
| 16:15.42 | mtn | CtrlC, if sound works in other apps, then groups and pulseaudio has nothing to do with it |
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| 16:15.46 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 16:15.46 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 16:16.01 | jhutchins | This of course does not cover pulseaudio. |
| 16:16.04 | teraflops | CtrlC: also launch it with --debug flag and play someting |
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| 16:17.20 | jhutchins | CtrlC: Yes, from a terminal. |
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| 16:17.30 | jhutchins | CtrlC: Info on pulseaudio: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ |
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| 16:18.43 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: isn't grub automatically stored to the "boot partition"??? |
| 16:18.48 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: i.e. to the /boot partition |
| 16:18.49 | jhutchins | I had pulseaudio just randomly fail on me and couldn't get sound back, I ended up removing it and alsa works fine without it. |
| 16:18.55 | c0fe | what is the need for an "audio group" |
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| 16:19.09 | Bw_____ | tipolosko: so this talk about "whether to install grub to the MBR or the boot partition" is a bit ambiguous, as it's *ALWAYS* stored to the latter |
| 16:19.12 | jhutchins | Bw_____: Some parts are there, yes, /boot/grub |
| 16:19.24 | Bw_____ | aha hm okay |
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| 16:19.42 | petn-randall | c0fe: It's use to grant permissions to the audio devices. |
| 16:19.47 | petn-randall | s/use/used/ |
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| 16:25.06 | Bw_____ | tipolosko,jhutchkins: wait i have one more Q! - when I installed linux, there was only linux, so grub only presents me with a debian linux boot option (or two maybe) - |
| 16:25.06 | r1k1 | i got a question : installed first time i've reformated some old server asked me for a non-free firmware drivers for ethernet, and if i selected no. It didn't install it. However later i made a usb key and all that, everything fine and detected. Now.. after some 3rd time of reinstalling the os. It detects the ethernet without a that non-free firmware usb key in. Anybody can explain how is that possible? |
| 16:25.11 | Bw_____ | tipolosko,jhutchkins: now, i want to add a windows boot option |
| 16:25.15 | qknight | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/trusty/release/ <- how could i install ppc64 big endian ubuntu if i can't boot BUT i have a running linux+kernel+uboot already? |
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| 16:25.22 | Bw_____ | tipolosko,jhutchkins: do I need to back up the windows boot MBR for that?? |
| 16:25.25 | Bw_____ | tipolosko,jhutchkins: i think NOT, right? |
| 16:25.50 | r1k1 | i mean it detected my ethernet interfaces even tho i select no, i have no removable media inserted... |
| 16:25.56 | r1k1 | it detects |
| 16:25.59 | teraflops | qknight: ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:26.21 | qknight | i would also use debian if that was an option |
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| 16:26.54 | teraflops | sure, go ask in ubuntu |
| 16:29.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | i found it woot |
| 16:30.18 | c0fe | petn-randall: so why wouldn't a regular user just be granted audio permissions? |
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| 16:33.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause audio is a privilage not a right |
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| 16:34.51 | c0fe | i am looking to install libtiff4-dev but it seems it is only made for older versions anyway to push it over to jessie? |
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| 16:36.16 | c0fe | Eryn_1983_FL: are you joking or serious? |
| 16:36.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | joking |
| 16:36.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | linux only gives out rights for the users it makes in install by default |
| 16:37.02 | galex|713 | Hii! is there at least someone knowing why Debian LiveUSB/DVD areânt bootable with qemu? |
| 16:37.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | you got to add them to the audio group later on trivial i know but do you really want a virus streaming porn sounds in the family room? |
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| 16:40.28 | r1k1 | anybody knows what's up? |
| 16:41.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | of? |
| 16:41.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | generic drivers? |
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| 16:53.33 | galex|713 | How can I boot a Debian LiveDVD/USB with qemu? |
| 16:53.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | uh ask qemu channel? |
| 16:54.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | are they being butts? |
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| 16:54.36 | galex|713 | Ohh |
| 16:54.49 | galex|713 | Iâll try |
| 16:55.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am sure somebody here might know but they can point you in the right direction |
| 16:55.13 | galex|713 | I was asking here because otherwise qemu is working fine for everything else, so I was wondering it was because of Debian |
| 16:55.35 | r1k1 | Eryn 1983 |
| 16:55.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | well show some errors and logs in pastebin format |
| 16:55.41 | r1k1 | can we talk on private? |
| 16:55.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | uh why? |
| 16:56.08 | r1k1 | u saw what i wrote above u asked about generice drivers |
| 16:56.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | generic, |
| 16:56.26 | r1k1 | no, it prompts me for non-free drivers-> removable media, but if I select no it's still detected and works normally. |
| 16:56.49 | r1k1 | that's after some 3-4 reinstallations, first time i've selected no, it didnt' detect anything |
| 16:56.55 | r1k1 | just wondering why is that |
| 16:57.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | no idea r1k1 it was just a guess |
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| 16:57.18 | galex|713 | For the moment nobody ans |
| 16:57.23 | r1k1 | ye i even unpluggeed the hdd and it's still the same |
| 16:57.23 | galex|713 | *answers on #qemu |
| 16:57.31 | r1k1 | is it possible non free firmware is stored in memory or something |
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| 16:57.32 | r1k1 | partially |
| 16:57.42 | galex|713 | Eryn_1983_FL: I donât know how to retrieve qemu text output :/ |
| 16:57.57 | r1k1 | cause this would explain it then |
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| 16:58.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | me either galex|713 |
| 16:59.20 | galex|713 | Seems thereâs nobody now⦠maybe theyâre on another TZ |
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| 16:59.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | its the weekend maybe they are having quality time with their mothers? |
| 17:00.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | j/k :) |
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| 17:00.52 | galex|713 | x) |
| 17:01.02 | galex|713 | Oh yeah weâre sunday |
| 17:01.09 | galex|713 | I thought we were monday :o |
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| 17:06.15 | nb-ben | isn't sunday the worst |
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| 17:15.26 | wacek | The Debian sid when upgrading packages, installs new packages as a avoid it. |
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| 17:35.59 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 17:36.13 | wacek | hi |
| 17:36.47 | marioxcc | I want to install Debian 8 in such a way that when I boot that installation, the changes I make are lost on shut down, like when using a Live CD. |
| 17:37.12 | ewew | marioxcc Use the live CD. |
| 17:37.18 | netsca | You could burn the iso to a hard drive from another computer |
| 17:37.33 | marioxcc | ewew: But I won't be able to install software in the Live CD, which I want to do. |
| 17:38.02 | ewew | marioxcc remaster it. Theres a wiki page about this. |
| 17:38.02 | marioxcc | So, I must be able to use the installation as normal and install some software, and thereafter configure it into "volatile mode" (what I described about Live CDs). |
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| 17:39.01 | ewew | marioxcc http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 17:39.46 | netsca | May I ask why you want to do this marioxcc? |
| 17:39.49 | marioxcc | ewew: Ok, I will probably investigate futher. |
| 17:40.12 | Learath2 | Hi I have two applications one of which depends on libtbb2 and the other on libtbb2:i386 but i cant have both installed at the same time |
| 17:40.18 | ewew | netsca Maybe privacy. |
| 17:40.22 | marioxcc | netsca: I want to have a clean and safe environment to perform computation that requires security. |
| 17:40.34 | marioxcc | Like generating a Bitcoin cold wallet. |
| 17:41.19 | netsca | ewew thats why I said may I |
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| 17:45.27 | r1k1 | any expert with the drivers arround here |
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| 17:46.42 | srg | I have an alias, l='ls -al --color=auto' this works fine, color shows up. However, when I `l | head -n 20` for dirs with many files, the color goes away. It seems that head strips it out. Is there any way to avoid this? |
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| 17:47.51 | mtn | r1k1, it is best to just ask your real question. someone may be able to help, but not consider themselves to be an "expert" |
| 17:49.00 | marioxcc | srg: "ls" detects when it is writing to a pipe and disables color. It's not the other program which performs the change. |
| 17:49.16 | marioxcc | Try with --color=always. I don't know if it works. |
| 17:50.26 | srg | marioxcc: That solved it! Thanks for the info on it. |
| 17:50.53 | wacek | The Debian sid when upgrading packages, installs new packages as a avoid it. |
| 17:51.17 | marioxcc | srg: You are welcome. Bear in mind that some tools may not behave properly when passed colored data, so it makes sense to keep "--color=auto" in the alias. |
| 17:52.11 | srg | marioxcc: I think I'll make another alias "lh" that pipes to head, so I can keep color=auto in the regular alias |
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| 17:52.28 | teraflops | srg: just use `ls --color| head -n 20` |
| 17:52.30 | marioxcc | srg: Good idea. |
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| 17:53.54 | teraflops | 7quit |
| 17:53.59 | teraflops | fuck |
| 17:57.36 | marioxcc | How can I modify a Debian installation to become "volatile" like a CD (changes are lost on reboot)? |
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| 18:10.17 | somiaj | marioxcc: what do you mean by that? Are you wanting to run some sort of live system that changes get reset on reboot? |
| 18:12.50 | marioxcc | somiaj: Well, it's like a live system in the sense that changes get reset on boot. Suppose this: I install Debian as usual, install software and change configuration files. Now, I want the system as stored in the hard disk to remain in this state, and I want to configure it so that from now onwards, all changes made to the root filesystem will be stored in RAM (like a CD) and lost on reboot. |
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| 18:14.24 | somiaj | marioxcc: there are various ways to do this. 1) is just create your own custom live system and just have your system boot that. Others are just don't allow changes by making the filesystem readonly, I think there are some useful tools. Look up kiosk on debian |
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| 18:14.54 | marioxcc | somiaj: Ok. |
| 18:15.28 | marioxcc | somiaj: Yes, I can make the system read only, but I also need to allow volatile changes. I think that the kernel system to do that is "squashfs". |
| 18:15.32 | somiaj | marioxcc: but if you really want the system to run in ram (As opposed to doing some image thing that just copies the image back to the system after it is shut off) a custom live image may be best. |
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| 18:16.28 | somiaj | There maybe ways to take a current system and boot it into memory vs using the method of a live system. But I'm unsure here. So either 1) recreate what a live system does or 2) Use a static image and just rewrite the image back to default after reach reboot. |
| 18:16.28 | marioxcc | somiaj: Ok. |
| 18:17.00 | marioxcc | No, I don't want to do (2). It's important that changes are not written to disk. |
| 18:17.11 | somiaj | that is the two common suggestions I know. I think 1) will take a bit of raeding, but debian-live is actually a set of tools to build custom live systems (as opposed to just being a live system) |
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| 18:17.30 | marioxcc | Ok, I will take a look into the custom tools. |
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| 18:21.16 | ewew | Notice fresh bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802971 from #debian-security |
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| 18:26.45 | pofffs | how do I open an application without having to leave terminal open afterwards? example: I want to open sylpheed or bitcoin-qt without having to leave terminal open |
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| 18:27.54 | somiaj | pofffs: few basic ways I can think of. Easiest is run the application inside of screen (or tmux). This way the screen stays running even when you close the window (and you can access the screen from any terminal) |
| 18:28.36 | somiaj | pofffs: you could use something like 'nohup' and release the process from teh terminal to allow it to run. Or you could use a launcher inside your desktop, and have the program run inside the shell that is controling the desktop. Depending on your desktop/wm you can create these launchers in various ways. |
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| 18:32.03 | pofffs | somiaj, sounds good. thanks. |
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| 18:34.12 | gabb | anybody uses netsurf browser ? it is secure, maintained ? |
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| 18:35.27 | somiaj | gabb: in debian the only browsers with any security support are iceweasel(firefox) and chromium (read the jessie release notes) |
| 18:35.55 | somiaj | gabb: this is due to the number of bugs browers have and any browser based on webkit or alternatives will not have security support in debian. |
| 18:36.31 | somiaj | and most light browsers I run across these days are all based off of libwebkit and inherit all the security issues. |
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| 18:36.53 | somiaj | I am unsure if lynx/links2 have security support, but cli browsers seem not have the issues the main ones do |
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| 18:37.42 | gabb | ok |
| 18:37.50 | jhutchins | The internet is by it's nature insecure. |
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| 18:40.11 | torpet | How would I go about cloning a debian installation to an exact same laptop configuration? |
| 18:40.14 | torpet | clonezilla? |
| 18:41.08 | somiaj | !apt clone |
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| 18:41.55 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 18:41.55 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 18:42.13 | somiaj | (that is the best way I can think of because it keeps track of the auto/manual flags). There are other methods |
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| 18:42.44 | cdbob-linux | hello |
| 18:43.00 | somiaj | note this clone needs to be done on the same release (i.e. don't mix betwee wheezy/jessie), and it is done after the isntall is complete, just install a minmiial system then use the above to install the rest of the software |
| 18:43.03 | gbarboza | So sometimes when upgrading a package a blob of information gets displayed via the pager and waits for the user to exit before the upgrade continues. Is there a way to view this info again after the upgrade has completed? |
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| 18:52.36 | Epakai | gbarboza: check the term.log files in /var/log/apt |
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| 18:57.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys i keep getting this replaced while being copied error on my cp commands,, |
| 18:58.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just made this ntsfs filesystem, did i mess it up? i did a quick format? |
| 19:02.23 | gabb | which debian branch is most secure ? |
| 19:02.26 | torpet | somiaj: Thanks, so you wouldn't advise a full-disk clone? |
| 19:04.01 | qman__ | copying bit for bit is wasteful and has some issues, I especially wouldn't recommend it if you're using SSD or flash media |
| 19:04.18 | qman__ | if you want it to be identical, all files, not just packages, I'd use rsync |
| 19:04.22 | somiaj | torpet: you could do that, but may have to muk around with making it bootable. In that case use what ever cloning tool you like, even cp -a or rsync -a from a live system to a new file system is sufficent. |
| 19:05.12 | somiaj | gabb: stable and oldstable both have security support so I would suggest one of those two. Oldstable (wheezy) looses offical security support ina bout 6 months. But wheezy-lts will support server packages on x86 and x86_64 for a few more years. |
| 19:05.30 | somiaj | gabb: oldoldstable (squeeze) curretly has lts support, but again lts support is very minimial and directed twoards server software only. |
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| 19:06.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | so any idea why its spewing out this error? |
| 19:06.41 | somiaj | torpet: note be careful when making a copy of the filesystem, you may awnt to do this from a live system so you aren't copying over data inside of other partitions or memeory (like /proc, /sys, /run). A live system is the easiest way in my mind to avoid this. |
| 19:06.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:07.10 | centrx | gabb, Generally, use the latest stable |
| 19:08.00 | LeCom | Why does internet sometimes fuck up, so ping hangs up without printing anything and my browser loads pages ifinitely and I have to reconnect? (Jessie 32 bit, WLAN) |
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| 19:08.53 | somiaj | LeCom: open up a terminal and try to figure out what is causing the issue. |
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| 19:09.09 | somiaj | LeCom: is this a wifi network? Wired network? How do you manage this network? |
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| 19:12.58 | LeCom | WIFI managed over wicd |
| 19:14.31 | LeCom | It seems connected to the router and i |
| 19:14.40 | LeCom | *ifconfig says so too |
| 19:15.20 | somiaj | LeCom: well wicd should keep things connected, but here are some common issues. 1) You loose assoication with your AP (iwconfig wlan0 should tell you if you are still assoicated with the AP) |
| 19:15.40 | Lauwenmark | Hi. Issue with an USB keyboard under X. Layout is properly set to "fr" under console; badly set under X to a default qwerty/us one. X log: http://pastebin.ca/3218433 , /etc/default/keyboard: http://pastebin.ca/3218434 , xorg.conf.d/settings.conf: http://pastebin.ca/3218441 . |
| 19:15.53 | somiaj | LeCom: other issues are 2) something rewrites your /etc/resolv.conf and you don't have a valid nameserver, so dns resolution breaks. But try to figure out what it is that is actually causing your internet to stop |
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| 19:17.01 | Lauwenmark | No idea what to do next. When plugging another keyboard, using the badly behaving one shows a qwerty/us layout. Then typing on the second one switches the layout of both to azerty/fr. |
| 19:17.27 | LeCom | Ok thanks for these 2 clues I will investigate it |
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| 19:19.36 | Lauwenmark | So mmm, I don't know what I can do to properly set the keyboard layout under X. |
| 19:22.02 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: I belive there is a tool in debian that makes it so you can modify the console and X layout in one command, probabaly just setkbd or somethign liek that, one second |
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| 19:22.50 | somiaj | !keymap |
| 19:22.51 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 19:22.54 | somiaj | hmm I found that |
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| 19:23.53 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: keyboard configuration is correct under console mode. "setxkbmap fr" works once logged in an X session, but cannot be performed at the xdm/kdm/gdm stage. |
| 19:24.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | well rsync seems to be doing ok, now so nobody ever seen cp do that error before? |
| 19:24.17 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: set it up in whatever DE you are or just do setkbmap in .xprofile or similar |
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| 19:24.50 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: then run that dkpg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and set your default map. |
| 19:24.53 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: nope. Setting it in the DE won't set it at the xdm/gdm/kdm stage, preventing proper entry of username/password. |
| 19:25.48 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: I am unsure if some display managers allow you to change the keyboard map as a button inside the dm. I don't think the older dm's will do this but I bet you gdm3 has an option to allow for different keyboard maps during the login. |
| 19:26.11 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: Been there already. keyboard-configuration reconfiguration already attempted as you suggested. No change. |
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| 19:26.17 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: then set it up for the display manager |
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| 19:26.49 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: then somethig is changing the default such as yoru display manager or xsession. Unsure here. |
| 19:27.29 | guest22 | curious how does one place a message that lights up read to a particular user in a irc channel i have had that happen to me and i am curious what command or what irc client they are using to do this |
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| 19:27.49 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: And how to do it, say, for xdm ? And why doesn't simply X take the keyboard layout as it should? |
| 19:27.54 | somiaj | guest22: this is not their client this is your client. |
| 19:28.17 | somiaj | guest22: your client can be configured to hiligh based on certain keywords. Many clients by default do this when y our 'nick' is typed. Hence just type your name then address you should do it |
| 19:28.42 | somiaj | guest22: but this is your client, this is not something you send. There are ways to send colors and differnt types of text over irc, but many rooms disable this. |
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| 19:29.07 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: Maybe, but I have no idea why. I made zero manual edit of those, and that's a clean install of Debian/Jessie. How to diagnose this? |
| 19:29.27 | guest22 | somiaj did you get this highlighted from me? |
| 19:29.45 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: And why is it behaving so with a keyboard, but not with another one, when both are handled by evdev? |
| 19:30.08 | somiaj | guest22: yes because my client hilights whenever someone says my name |
| 19:30.52 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: Unsure here, maybe systemd-udev is doing something with the keymap by detecting the 'keyboard' that is pluged in. I personally just use qwerty so have no experience except the basic here are some docs. |
| 19:31.23 | guest22 | ok so this is a setting to beep and highlight all on the client side irc program. so if they don't have it set or turned it off the best you can do is pm them right? |
| 19:31.40 | guest22 | somiaj |
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| 19:32.11 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: What is strange is if I connect two keyboards (the one behaving "weird" and another "good" one), if I first type on the "weird", I get qwerty. Then if I type on the "good", I get azerty/fr. And typing again on "weird" now gets it an azerty/fr layout as well. |
| 19:32.30 | guest22 | because i can see most webirc and the irc client programs i have used set this by default ok cool thanks |
| 19:32.33 | somiaj | guest22: correct, though usually it is considered bad form to message someone without asking first. |
| 19:32.50 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: xdm is old as hell btw |
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| 19:33.24 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: Yes, but the same issue appears with any other login manager - being slim, wdm, etc. And afaik, "old" doesn't mean it shouldn't work as expected. |
| 19:33.32 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: sounds to me like systemd-udev is detecing thte actual keyboard and adjusting your layout. It could just be the bad keyboard doesn't give info that systemd can use to detect the layout. |
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| 19:33.45 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: systemd is not installed. |
| 19:33.53 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: well then just udev |
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| 19:34.06 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: anyway youre issue is weird as hell if you didnt touch any config |
| 19:34.13 | somiaj | that is the onlything I can thinkof, and at somelevel don't you have to have systemd-logind installed on jessie systems (even if you are using sysvinit as the init system) |
| 19:34.17 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: If udev was wrongly adjusting the keyboard, it would also wrongly adjust in console mode, then. |
| 19:35.07 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: The only config I touched was adding forced xkbconfig in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/settings.conf that I pasted above. And yes, it is weird, if it wasn"t, I wouldn't have asked for help :D |
| 19:35.31 | guest22 | question relating to pure debian based os downloadable from debians main site... is the repo's of say these operating systems a superset of what is in say a ubuntu derivative or other debian based os's that isn't pure debian. Curious without download tons of different debian based os's if they all contain 99% of the same packages so one can select any debian based distro that he wants |
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| 19:35.50 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: it could only be adjusting the xlayout. Again systemd-udev will be my guess as to what is automatically adjusting things. I would check out any rules it has. |
| 19:35.53 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: systemd-logind is not installed either. |
| 19:36.12 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: Only the default rules provided by a clean install. |
| 19:36.14 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: are you using jessie? Or did I miss and it is actually wheezy? |
| 19:36.26 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: jessie. clean install made this morning. |
| 19:36.32 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: then you are using systemd. |
| 19:36.43 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: nope. Disabled systemd. |
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| 19:37.21 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: then you removed systemd, the installer will install systemd and you will then have to remove it, you should make sure you install systemd-logind if you remove systemd. |
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| 19:37.24 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 19:37.24 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
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| 19:37.36 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: oh sorry, systemd-shim (my bad there) |
| 19:38.29 | guest22 | basically curious if one uses all the packages in the pure debian os's if he would have used mostly any packages that would be installable thru the packagemanager of any other debian based distro |
| 19:38.46 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: I don't quite get what it has to do with the X keyboard configuration, or why it changes depending on the keyboard I plug on the USB bus. |
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| 19:38.58 | somiaj | I'm unsure what the issue could be, but to me it could be that the keyboard contains some info about what keyboard it is, and when you type/plug it in, this info is read and your keymap is changed. At the core this should be done by udev (which is part of systemd), as to what pacakge installed this actual rule I'm unsure, but that is where I would look. |
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| 19:39.09 | guest22 | Also is all debian based distro's have the same package manager mainly apt get and work on .deb packages |
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| 19:39.26 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: so you droped a snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ regarding the keyboard and also droped systemd, that is not a default config, isnt it? |
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| 19:39.53 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: as I said, sounds like some rule by udev that is changing your keymap based off some info inside the keyboard that gets sent when it is pluged in. I would track down these rules to find the root cause. |
| 19:39.56 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: I dropped the snippet in xorg.conf.d in attempting to solve the already present issue. Removing it gives the same result. |
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| 19:40.18 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: Same with systemd, actually removed it because I thought it could be source of the issue. |
| 19:40.26 | somiaj | !tell guest22 about don't break debian |
| 19:40.27 | teraflops | wow |
| 19:41.30 | somiaj | guest22: You need to be careful when mixing .deb packages from one release of debian or from a debian derivative and debian. Packages are made for a paticular release (or distribution) and may not be compadable with any other release or distribution. Mixing can break your system in unexpected ways. |
| 19:41.38 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: Now of course, I can reinstall systemd and clear up the xorg config changes if you prefer. Doesn't change anything wrt that issue. |
| 19:41.41 | ewew | Wait. This happens even on one keyboard system. It appears to be caused by configuration in GUI enviroment. |
| 19:42.11 | guest22 | all i want to know is for the debian based distro's if they all pretty much have a subset or the whole set of pure debian repo's or if there are some packages in those repo's that are not found in the pure main debian based distro |
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| 19:42.42 | bazhang | ask them guest22 |
| 19:42.44 | somiaj | guest22: basically you don't want to install a .deb that is not made for the version of debian (or debian based distro) you are running. Now lots of debian based distros use the packages straight from debian and so they have the same basic software, but this sofwtware is compiled against different versions and confiugrations of teh shared libaries. |
| 19:42.58 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: So it is possible for udev to change the keyboard layout only for X, and actually force it to ignore explicit xorg.conf configuration directive?? |
| 19:43.01 | bazhang | which ones are you asking about guest22 |
| 19:43.31 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: it could be udev passes this info along to gnome and that is what is changing it. it is all interconnencted these days I don't use any of it. |
| 19:44.17 | somiaj | guest22: we only support pure debian here, not its derviatives. The best way to install software not in debian is to compile it from source (either as a deb-src and make a custom package or ./configure, make) |
| 19:44.23 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: I'm not using gnome. I get the same issue when launching with startx a plain boring twm. |
| 19:44.51 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: did you take a look in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
| 19:45.14 | guest22 | well i understand different debian distro's that you can download thru distrowatch or thru there main website iso's they uses there own seperate repo's but what i am asking is weather i uses ubuntu or kbunutu or something totally debian else will it have all the .deb packages converted over to there repo |
| 19:45.20 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: This is a strange issue, track it down. Look at the actual udev rules try to figure out what is triggering when you plug the keyboard in your machine and trace what calls it makes. |
| 19:45.30 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: clean install. That directory is empty, apart the autocreated 70-persistent-net.rules, which is unrelated. |
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| 19:45.43 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: How do I establish which rules are applied? |
| 19:45.46 | teraflops | well, I have no clue then |
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| 19:45.55 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: Me neither. |
| 19:46.06 | guest22 | basically if you can apt-get a package from pure debian repo will you beable to go to another debian distro machine and apt-get the equivalent package |
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| 19:46.40 | dixson-canaima41 | Hello friends, I download a theme for the mouse, and store it in the / usr / share / icons and active with gnome-shell. changes without problem. When I'm in a browser the default mouse is placed. |
| 19:46.41 | somiaj | guest22: #debian only supports debian, not any other debian based distros. We cannot answer what you should do on another distro. Waht we can answer is debian only buidls packages for the debian release it is made for. Installing this deb elsewhere could break your machine. |
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| 19:46.54 | guest22 | i.e is it for the most part if a package is found in one debian repo will the package be found in the other distro's repo or equivalent |
| 19:47.35 | zhl | !help |
| 19:47.37 | somiaj | guest22: you will have to go talk to the distro you are using, they make choices on which packages they provide. They make changes, things may not work as they do in debian because of this. We do not support it. |
| 19:47.41 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: can you start X avoiding the login manager to your current DE and then see what the hell is going on there? |
| 19:48.16 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: I did, using startx from the command line. http://pastebin.ca/3218433 is the log I got from it. |
| 19:48.28 | guest22 | Ok is all debian based distro's using apt ,dpkg , .deb for its downloader ,package manager , and package format |
| 19:48.50 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: i cant see pastebin :S |
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| 19:50.25 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: https://cloud.ailesse.info/index.php/s/gskbW557cOdRhAO then. |
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| 19:51.28 | Ghostbird | Hi guys, I have a weird issue (ok, I have issues, but I'll only burden you with one at a time). I cannot shutdown, sleep or suspend my system. Every time I do, the system reboots after about 3 seconds. Earlier this only happened when Wake On Lan was enabled (and the network card was kept powered). Now it is permanent. Is there a specific log that I can check? Kernel ring buffer message log (dmesg) here: http://pastebin.com/jM596sw4 |
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| 19:52.03 | no_gravity | Hmm... I just added an A record for a new subdomain. dig returns the right ip. ping however says "unknown host". what is happening? is there some dns cache on the os level that ping uses? |
| 19:52.05 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: unsure here. But this is something you can probably do some research on in google. Might just want to look though your /etc/udev/rules.d and /lib/udev/rules.d and see which rules are triggering on usb install and see if any are labeld keyboard. |
| 19:52.37 | somiaj | no_gravity: part of the dns info is a timer for how long to cache the domain name (sometimes this is up to a few days) |
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| 19:53.06 | somiaj | no_gravity: it could be the dns you are using has the old record cached and won't update its cache for a set time period. In this case unless you have control of the nameserver, you may just need to use another nameserver. |
| 19:53.20 | no_gravity | somiaj: its a new subdomain, so ttl should not come into play here. there is no old record. |
| 19:53.44 | somiaj | no_gravity: but the subdomain is controled by the domain recrod, and that could be the one that is cached. |
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| 19:54.11 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: what DE did you start with startx? |
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| 19:54.30 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: In that case, fvwm. I tried with twm, same issue. |
| 19:54.33 | no_gravity | somiaj: it would have to be cached on my machine, because dig returns the right ip. |
| 19:54.57 | somiaj | no_gravity: what nameserver are you using in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 19:55.00 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: Used those because they normally don't interfere with the keyboard configuration, relying on the one provided by default by X. |
| 19:55.08 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: and what session manager are you planning to use? |
| 19:55.36 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: less /lib/udev/rules.d/60-keyboard.rules |
| 19:55.45 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: It is likely I'll use either slim or wdm. |
| 19:55.53 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: As I said track down the udev rule. |
| 19:56.11 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: well youre making things the hard way :P |
| 19:57.13 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: acutally you may want /lib/udev/rules.d/64-xorg-xkb.rules that seems more like a rule that will change the keymap for x |
| 19:57.51 | teraflops | Lauwenmark: lightdm gdm etc honour .xprofile so you can set some stuff there, i think that old ones pick the stuff from .Xsession?, anyway the issue is your user name has weird chars? |
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| 19:58.13 | no_gravity | now ping has the ip too! guess it was some local cache that got flushed meanwhile. |
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| 19:58.58 | Lauwenmark | teraflops: The issue is that the keyboard is an azerty layout, which is totally different from qwerty. So lots of keys are simply not outputting the proper character. |
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| 19:59.01 | somiaj | no_gravity: look at the actual nameserver you are using, /etc/resolv.conf, this is where the cache is at. It could be the nameserver is on your router, which caches it and then your router uses your isp's nameserver it got form dhcp. |
| 19:59.14 | gbarboza | Epakai: Thanks. It turns out it was because I had apt-listchanges installed which reads NEWS and changelog from the package on upgrade and displays them. |
| 19:59.42 | no_gravity | somiaj: it was not the nameserver because dig returned the ip. yes, it could have been the router. |
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| 20:00.13 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: mmm. From what I see, 64-xorg-xkb.rules simply includes the /etc/default/keyboard content for keyboards, which is ok. And indeed, the rule matches, so that one is not a differentiator. Checking the other now. |
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| 20:01.00 | teraflops | routers does not chaches dns neither your linux machine unless you set it up to do so, but isp's they do cache for sure |
| 20:01.17 | LunaLovegood | I got a VPN using pptpd, and whenever a client connects, /var/log/syslog rapidly fills with "pppd[8030]: Failed to open /dev/pts/3: No such file or directory", pppd and syslog together use 100% cpu and quickly fill the disk. The VPN still works though. Any idea what's wrong? It does the same on Wheezy, Jessie and Stretch. |
| 20:01.33 | no_gravity | teraflops: if it was the isp, dig should have the same prob as ping i guess. |
| 20:01.56 | somiaj | no_gravity: dig doesn't use the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf I belive. It actually goes to the nameserver that controlst he domain vs using a local nameserver which might have a cache (at least this is my nieve understanding) |
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| 20:02.29 | somiaj | ahh looks like you can configure dig to use any nameserver, wonder what one it was using by default. |
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| 20:03.18 | no_gravity | somiaj: that might be. |
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| 20:04.59 | teraflops | I do unbound, whatever dns cache yo do is good shit imo |
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| 20:07.21 | ewew | Is there a reason to freeze mouse on usb and after few minutes complete lockup ? |
| 20:07.36 | ewew | debia 7 |
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| 20:09.14 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: ok, looks like udev does the same thing wrt layout to both keyboard models. |
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| 20:09.47 | ewew | Anyone ? |
| 20:09.54 | no_gravity | can "cp -r" be told to include .files? or is rsync the way to go? |
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| 20:10.52 | own3dz | anyone have experience with realvnc |
| 20:10.55 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: comparing the output of udevadm info on both keyboards shows nothing conclusive either (http://pastebin.ca/3218539). |
| 20:11.05 | ewew | No respond to sysrq shortcuts. Keyboard PS2 |
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| 20:12.32 | ewew | I suspect lockup on usb controler, because the mouse light was on after shutdown of PC by button. |
| 20:13.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | no_gravity, it should copy entire directories if you don't use wildcards |
| 20:13.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | no_gravity, rsync does a good job too |
| 20:13.48 | sputnikCCCP | how to install teamviewer on debian 8 64bit |
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| 20:14.51 | Ghostbird | I couldn't get teamviewer to work on Debian (Stretch 64-bit) |
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| 20:15.20 | Ghostbird | The dependencies it required tried to remove most of the core of Debian itself. |
| 20:16.04 | Ghostbird | I guess compile from source is the way to go? |
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| 20:17.35 | Ghostbird | Oh wait, the teamviewer help page on installing has a note that on Debian 7+ (due to multi-arch) you should dpkg --add-architecture i386, then install the 32-bit .deb package. |
| 20:17.51 | Ghostbird | That may be a workable solution? I haven't tried it. |
| 20:18.28 | Ghostbird | It isn't open source, so compile from source is right out. |
| 20:19.02 | Learath2 | so is there anyway i can have both libtbb2 and libtbb2:i386 ? |
| 20:19.17 | Ghostbird | Normally you can just install both. |
| 20:19.22 | Ghostbird | Does that not work? |
| 20:19.38 | Learath2 | well they conflict with eachother according to apt |
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| 20:20.09 | Ghostbird | They don't for me. |
| 20:20.49 | sputnikCCCP | i've tried everything |
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| 20:20.53 | sputnikCCCP | give up |
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| 20:21.10 | Ghostbird | sputnikCCCP: Have you tried the 32-bit package? |
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| 20:21.29 | Learath2 | Ghostbird: http://codepad.org/UHBV6wIA |
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| 20:23.48 | sputnikCCCP | ghost yup |
| 20:24.44 | Learath2 | how could it not conflict for you but conflict for me |
| 20:25.20 | towo` | sputnikCCCP, you need multiarch enabled |
| 20:25.27 | towo` | sputnikCCCP, and then the i386 deb |
| 20:25.41 | Ghostbird | That's what I suggested, he said he tried and it didn't work. |
| 20:26.13 | towo` | i have not seen, that he wrote about anabled multiarch |
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| 20:26.34 | abrotman | ewew: It is possible to disable sysrqrequests |
| 20:26.39 | towo` | and without any error its hard to say anything |
| 20:27.03 | Ghostbird | I had issues with Teamviewer a while ago too, but I didn't have the time to solve them, so I used a different program. |
| 20:27.11 | Ghostbird | It may not be an option for you though. |
| 20:27.52 | Learath2 | so why would the i386 conflict the normal one given thats the purpose of multiarch |
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| 20:28.33 | ewew | abrotman I have them on. First mouse stops responding. After trying to resolve the issue the system lockedup completly. Only solution was power button. The mouse after shutdown had on lights. This is not common. After every shutdown it goes off. |
| 20:29.06 | abrotman | nossh? |
| 20:29.27 | ewew | abrotman me ? |
| 20:30.13 | Ghostbird | Learath2: It shouldn't conflict, I agree. Have you tried installing with synaptic or aptitude instead? Or use apt-get download and dpkg -i to install? |
| 20:30.29 | abrotman | ewew: Does sssh work when mouse fails? |
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| 20:32.09 | qersa | Hello |
| 20:32.26 | qersa | whats the default init system for debian 7? |
| 20:32.32 | Learath2 | Ghostbird: if i do dpkg -i it goes ahead and unpacks over the other one removes i386 one |
| 20:32.52 | towo` | qersa, sysvinit |
| 20:33.20 | Zer000 | hey gents I installed the debian rootfs with debootstrap and am running it with systemd-nspawn. However the startup scripts don't seem to run and my services aren't automatically started. What am I missing? |
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| 20:34.50 | ewew | abrotman I dont have enabled ssh. |
| 20:35.18 | abrotman | might be something to try |
| 20:35.26 | guest22 | would you guys say that the debian pure version is a superset of all the packages one can find in derivatives like ubuntu and other debian variants? |
| 20:35.27 | abrotman | see if all parts of the system go away, or just the local interface |
| 20:35.35 | abrotman | guest22: no |
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| 20:37.11 | guest22 | if one installed or used all the debian .deb repo packages in the many debian os would it be safe to say he would have used the majority of packages that would be found in any other debian based os's repo |
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| 20:38.08 | qersa | Has anyone tried changing from systemd to sysvinit in debian8? |
| 20:38.09 | ewew | abrotman Can be this caused by power supply ? |
| 20:38.12 | towo` | guest22, your question does not make many sense |
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| 20:38.46 | Learath2 | anything else i can try to get both installed ? |
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| 20:39.50 | guest22 | can any debian based package be ported to redhat or slackware linux distro's by using alien program |
| 20:40.13 | guest22 | or will you run into issues |
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| 20:41.05 | towo` | Learath2, i don't get your problem: http://paste.debian.net/318092/ |
| 20:41.30 | towo` | guest22, no one can say that for sure |
| 20:41.41 | ewew | abrotman This happened first time. |
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| 20:42.29 | Learath2 | towo`: hmm you got it from unstable maybe thats whats wrong with me |
| 20:42.46 | teraflops | guest22: I do in archlinux via pkgbuild, not that im porting anything I just pick the binary :P |
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| 20:43.12 | guest22 | is it safe to say any deb based package can be converted to an rpm package which can be used on a redhat distro os's |
| 20:43.29 | guest22 | or will dependency issues occur |
| 20:44.02 | LeCom | I think Debian and RedHat aren't that compatible |
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| 20:44.50 | ewew | Do i have to have ready serial for gdb ? |
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| 20:45.13 | guest22 | i think dependency issues will occur if the depended upon packages are not already on the os's or rpm able from the repo so even if you convert to rpm in most cases it will have issues without converting all the dependences to rpm and placing them in the repo or some place where rpm can install them correctly |
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| 20:45.24 | Learath2 | how can i get some unstable packages without upgrading everything to unstable |
| 20:45.56 | guest22 | never mind this was a stupid question like how big is the internet |
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| 20:46.19 | towo` | Learath2, i'm using unstable |
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| 20:46.35 | cra1g321 | and i'm not :D |
| 20:46.41 | towo` | Learath2, but it would not make many sense, if it is defferent in stable |
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| 20:47.28 | LeCom | Download the .deb package and apply dpkg? |
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| 20:47.36 | Learath2 | well ill give it a try on another stable pc i have |
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| 20:50.15 | zykotick9 | !tell Learath2 about ssb |
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| 20:55.34 | Learath2 | towo`: well i tried 2 stable computers both have the same conflict |
| 20:56.08 | ps-ax | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.09 | towo` | then it was not multiarch-ready at the release of jessie |
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| 20:58.04 | Learath2 | so how can i get both those packages from unstable ? |
| 20:58.36 | towo` | Learath2, you doesn't want that if you have to ask |
| 20:59.41 | ps-ax | guys, does someone had some problems with the sound on a web browser?.. i mean.. i can listen in amarok but once i play youtube or any streaming in the browser it doesnt sound |
| 21:00.16 | Learath2 | well i aint switching back to php5-fcgi just because my debian knowledge isnt adequate |
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| 21:00.43 | ps-ax | i have followed this article but it doestn wrok yet :/ https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#ALSA-1 |
| 21:01.39 | towo` | ps-ax, cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:02.33 | Learath2 | if there is no way to do it ill just have to compile them and that would be tedious and boring so will you please point me in the right direction pretty please ? |
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| 21:03.06 | nkuttler | Learath2: the bot sent you instructions how to do it |
| 21:03.07 | ps-ax | towo`, look http://paste.debian.net/318096/ |
| 21:03.29 | towo` | ps-ax, and you use analouge or hdmi sound? |
| 21:03.32 | Learath2 | the bot sent me instructions to build it |
| 21:03.44 | nkuttler | Learath2: yes |
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| 21:03.56 | ps-ax | towo, analogue |
| 21:04.10 | nkuttler | Learath2: which packages anyway? |
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| 21:04.29 | towo` | ps-ax, you use pulseaudio or plain alsa? |
| 21:04.29 | Learath2 | nkuttler: libtbb2 and libtbb2:i386 |
| 21:04.35 | nkuttler | ,v libtbb2 |
| 21:04.36 | judd | Package: libtbb2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.0+r035-1; wheezy: 4.0+r233-1; jessie: 4.2~20140122-5; sid: 4.3~20150611-0.1; stretch: 4.3~20150611-0.1; experimental: 4.3~20150611-1~exp3 |
| 21:04.45 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport libtbb2 |
| 21:04.46 | judd | Backporting package libtbb2 in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 21:04.47 | ps-ax | well i think its analogue... not sure tbh.. i just have the common speakers.. the same plug as the headphones |
| 21:05.02 | nkuttler | Learath2: yeah, you'll have to build that. no idea about cross compiling though |
| 21:05.32 | ps-ax | towo`, alsa plain i havent pulseaudio... is required? |
| 21:05.54 | towo` | ps-ax, required not, but usefull |
| 21:06.05 | ps-ax | hmm let me learn about it |
| 21:06.16 | ps-ax | can they work together right? |
| 21:06.22 | cmdbbq | I'm running Jessie with nvidia drivers. I'm trying to figure out how to update my video drivers so a particular Steam game will run. It complains that it requires OpenGL 4.1 after it's most recent release and that my OpenGL driver is not up to date. apt-get reports all packages up to date. Is it possible for Jessie to run a video driver that supports OpenGL 4.1? If there is a better place to ask, I'd be eag |
| 21:06.28 | cmdbbq | er to be directed there. |
| 21:06.39 | towo` | ps-ax, pulseaudio does not work without alsa |
| 21:07.02 | ps-ax | towo`, ok ok let me learn... gimme a minute please :) |
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| 21:07.21 | towo` | cmdbbq, you could install the driver from experimental |
| 21:07.21 | nkuttler | cmdbbq: sounds like that particular game might not work on jessie.. try #steamlug though i guess |
| 21:07.42 | nkuttler | i thought steam bundles most of it's deps? |
| 21:08.03 | Zequal | Are you sure you have the 32-bit libraries for your graphics driver? |
| 21:08.36 | cmdbbq | Zequal: that's an interesting question. I thought so, but I'm not sure. |
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| 21:08.54 | towo` | Zequal, doesn't matter. i don't think the nvidia 340.xx driver is shipping opengl 4.1 |
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| 21:09.06 | towo` | s/is/is'nt |
| 21:09.08 | Zequal | Are you using the proprietary or open-source driver? |
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| 21:09.23 | cmdbbq | Zequal: proprietary |
| 21:10.02 | Zequal | cmdbbq: Are you sure you have libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 installed? |
| 21:10.20 | ps-ax | ok towo` it seems im more clear now, pulseaudio is a sound server which is able to manage the sound of app per separated |
| 21:10.22 | towo` | again, nvidia 340.xx does not provide opengl 4.1 |
| 21:10.25 | cmdbbq | Zequal: I just checked, it turns out I do. |
| 21:10.34 | ps-ax | gotta try to set it by myself and google thanks |
| 21:11.21 | Zequal | towo`: Oh is that so? Interesting. Do you have a source? I'd like to add it to my notes. |
| 21:11.30 | Lauwenmark | Hi. My issue with a keyboard: gets proper fr layout in console, but X sets it as us/qwerty. A different keyboard gets proper fr layout in X. udevadm info for /dev/input/eventX for the "bad" keyboard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12959240/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/12959257/ , Xorg log http://paste.ubuntu.com/12959220/ . Any idea? |
| 21:11.43 | guest22 | curious out of the different branches of linux slackware , redhat , and debian which operating systems or distro's should one uses for a server that is going to be used for serving many clients as in medium or large corp's |
| 21:12.19 | towo` | Zequal, no, but 340 is a legacy driver for older cards |
| 21:12.35 | towo` | Zequal, such drivers does not get new features |
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| 21:13.36 | guest22 | if one was to go with linux in his corp or large to medium size business what would the linux administrators say for the only ones that one should uses from the 3 different branches... like i am sure there not going to say puppylinux or damn small linux , or so weird variant... |
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| 21:13.54 | Zequal | towo`: Ah, I see. So it's a fair statement to say that 340 and older do not support OpenGL? |
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| 21:14.10 | towo` | Zequal, it supports opengl |
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| 21:14.28 | towo` | Zequal, but not the version 4.1, only 3.x i think |
| 21:14.56 | guest22 | even though it would be possible in most cases to uses any of them by knowing how to configure the services for it.... but i would imagine one would select the ones that are more currently updated and have a larger range of software/better repo's for major software |
| 21:15.50 | guest22 | but in your guys opinon what would be the major linux distro's currently in the 3 major categories i,e redhat , debian , and slackware |
| 21:17.05 | guest22 | I know what i would pick but was curious on the linux guru choices if one was setting it up for a medium to large business or corp ... what would you pick and why for the 3 branches |
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| 21:17.17 | towo` | guest22, what do you want to know? your questions are realy without meny sense |
| 21:17.46 | towo` | guest22, since this is a debian channel, most people here would suggest debian |
| 21:18.00 | guest22 | which linux distro's from the different linux branches would one uses for a business medium or large sizes |
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| 21:18.10 | nkuttler | debian of course |
| 21:18.21 | nkuttler | guest22: try ##linux |
| 21:18.36 | guest22 | well debian would be an answer for a debian based distro but for the other 2 slack or redhat |
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| 21:19.10 | nkuttler | guest22: this channel is for debian support, not generic distro chatter |
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| 21:19.37 | guest22 | just curious if there is some network and system /linux admin's on this channel that could explain what linux distro's they uses on there large business networks and why |
| 21:19.57 | nkuttler | i just told you |
| 21:20.35 | guest22 | Also would a business ever chose BSD variant open,net ,...etc over a linux distro |
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| 21:20.45 | Zequal | cmdbbq: libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx-i386 is what you need. |
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| 21:22.02 | Zequal | cmdbbq: towo`'s hypothesis might be correct in that the OpenGL version no longer supports the legacy version of the card you're using. However, I'd try installing that first to see if this resolves your issue. |
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| 21:22.33 | towo` | Zequal, no, libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx-i386 is not the package |
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| 21:22.53 | towo` | Zequal, the package is libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 21:23.09 | Ghostbird | guest22: We use debian for most systems, but we're a small business (10+ people) |
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| 21:23.37 | guest22 | what about for medium and large business |
| 21:23.40 | Zequal | towo`: Correct, but he had stated he already downloaded this. I see that there's a legacy version, which matches the 340xx description. |
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| 21:23.46 | jlim | anybody know when support will end for wheezy? |
| 21:23.59 | jlim | can't find a date on the wiki |
| 21:24.03 | towo` | Zequal, libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx-i386 is only a metapackage |
| 21:24.40 | towo` | and it would not helb to get support vor opengl 4.1 functions |
| 21:24.49 | towo` | s/helb/help |
| 21:24.53 | nkuttler | jlim: usually 1 year after the next release, though there might be lts packages later on |
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| 21:26.28 | Zequal | I find the situation pretty crummy, lack of backwards compatiblity as this implies would be frusterating to anyone with older hardware. |
| 21:26.36 | cblte | hey gues. |
| 21:26.56 | towo` | Zequal, what? |
| 21:27.21 | Ghostbird | Zequal Does the card itself support OpenGL 4.x? It may be a hardware limitation. |
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| 21:27.52 | cblte | I have debian installed on my bananapi. And I would like to install zfs on it. But the thing is not compiling. The ./configure is telling me "configure: error: *** Cannot find UTS_RELEASE definition." - But I have the sources installed. Or what? I dont know. Maybe you can help me. Thanks |
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| 21:28.23 | towo` | cblte, what sources you have installed? |
| 21:28.58 | cblte | via aptitude - linux-source-3.16 |
| 21:29.07 | Zequal | Ghostbird: Okay, so an older card using 340.xx may not be able to run OpenGL 4.X because of a hardware limitation, not software? |
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| 21:29.42 | towo` | the driver has also to provide the opengl extensions |
| 21:30.46 | Zequal | Mmm. Okay, so if cmdbbq was playing a game that required OpenGL 3.X instead of OpenGL 4.X.. Would he be fine, if this were the case? |
| 21:30.53 | towo` | cblte, theoretical you only need the matching headers for your running kernel |
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| 21:31.09 | Ghostbird | Zequal: Check the specifications of the card. I know that such specifications have a range (or maximum) of supported DirectX and OpenGL versions. I assume that the newer standards require things that cannot easily be done in hardware that was not designed for it. |
| 21:31.13 | cblte | here is a paste output http://pastebin.com/574v0RhE |
| 21:31.15 | Zequal | towo`: I know I am being a bit hypothetical now, but I am just trying to understand the limitations better. |
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| 21:31.33 | cblte | headers? mmh i think I can install them. |
| 21:31.55 | towo` | cblte, /usr/src/linux-source-3.16.tar.xz is an archive |
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| 21:32.15 | towo` | cblte, apt install linux-headers-$(uneam -r) |
| 21:32.28 | towo` | cblte, and remove that linux-source package |
| 21:32.42 | cblte | I know. I unpacked it but there is this header file missing. so I think I have to install the "linux-kernel-headers" (what I am doing right now" |
| 21:32.47 | towo` | cblte, apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r) <= so |
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| 21:34.23 | cblte | ;-))) Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-kernel-headers-3.4.108-bananian" |
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| 21:36.06 | towo` | cblte, linux-headers |
| 21:36.15 | towo` | cblte, not linux-kernel-headers |
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| 21:36.34 | cblte | ah ok. I see ok I triy |
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| 21:37.06 | cblte | yes yes. those are available. |
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| 21:39.37 | Lionyx | Hello! I'm using kde 4.x (Debian Jessie). When I install themes and windows decorations, why does the background color of windows doesn't change? Everything but this matchs the preview picture. |
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| 21:43.01 | Ghostbird | Can anyone point me in the right direction? I cannot shutdown, sleep or suspend my system. Every time I do, the system reboots after about 3 seconds. Earlier this only happened when Wake On Lan was enabled (and the network card was kept powered). Now it is permanent. Is there a specific log that I can check? Kernel ring buffer message log (dmesg) here: http://pastebin.com/jM596sw4 |
| 21:43.26 | ewew | Ghostbird What methods to shutdown you use ? |
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| 21:44.44 | ompaul | that looks like a resume from suspend |
| 21:44.52 | Ghostbird | Everything I could think of. That is: ACPI shutdown through power button, sudo halt, normal GUI shutdown from logged-in session, normal GUI shutdown from login screen. And suspend from both logged in and logged out. |
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| 21:45.36 | Ghostbird | ompaul: Yes, this was a resume from suspend. The problem is that there's nothing strange about it. EXCEPT that it happens automatically, and the same happens for shutdown. |
| 21:45.39 | ewew | Ghostbird On cli or gui ? |
| 21:45.42 | Ghostbird | Both |
| 21:45.58 | ompaul | Ghostbird: what is 'uname -a' |
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| 21:46.10 | ewew | Ghostbird shutdown -h now works ? |
| 21:46.31 | Ghostbird | Linux 4.2.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.2.3-2 (2015-10-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:46.40 | ewew | Ghostbird Pc or laptop ? |
| 21:46.47 | abrotman | ewew: bad PSU can cause any number ofweird things |
| 21:46.47 | Ghostbird | PC |
| 21:46.54 | Ghostbird | Thing's brand new. |
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| 21:47.16 | Ghostbird | Before you ask why I'm on stretch, the audio driver wasn't fully working in Linux 3 yet. |
| 21:47.26 | ewew | abrotman +3,3V rail on 3,26V when full load. |
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| 21:48.05 | abrotman | I didn't say it was your PSU, you suggested .. |
| 21:48.12 | ompaul | Ghostbird: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade please and then come back if the problem still exists |
| 21:48.26 | ewew | abrotman Im asking if this voltage is not good. |
| 21:48.37 | Ghostbird | Did I miss an update? |
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| 21:49.14 | ompaul | Ghostbird: I think so |
| 21:49.18 | Ghostbird | Ooh! Updates for firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree. That may solve my issue. |
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| 21:49.27 | ompaul | and there we go |
| 21:49.32 | Ghostbird | D'oh! How did I miss that! |
| 21:49.34 | ompaul | wanders off into the darkenss |
| 21:50.03 | Ghostbird | Wait! I have issues! :) More issues. Always more issues :) |
| 21:50.28 | abrotman | ewew: your hardware should hzave specs, I wo'nt know what those are |
| 21:50.38 | ompaul | I'm like time, I don't wait unless you upgrade |
| 21:50.39 | Ghostbird | Ok, going to try to suspend now. |
| 21:51.10 | ewew | abrotman In general it should be in range. Its a Corsair GS600 |
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| 21:52.17 | Ghostbird | Well, that didn't work. Do I need to fully reboot to make firmware updates work? |
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| 21:52.32 | ompaul | if you've done the dist upgrade |
| 21:52.38 | ompaul | and dist-upgrade not just upgrade |
| 21:52.42 | Ghostbird | Ok, I'll reboot. |
| 21:52.51 | Ghostbird | Yeah, I did do the dist-upgrade |
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| 21:54.01 | abrotman | ewew: so,thatmay not be it .. other hints? |
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| 21:55.38 | Ghostbird | Well that didn't work, the auto resume issue persists. |
| 21:55.58 | ompaul | Ghostbird: laptop? |
| 21:56.03 | Ghostbird | No PC |
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| 21:56.20 | Zequal | yum update && pacman -Syyu && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:56.56 | ompaul | Ghostbird: close X, wander onto a console (CTRL ALT F3), for instance, and then log in as root, and /sbin/init 0 |
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| 21:57.10 | Zequal | I used to have a Gentoo box somewhere, already forgot the portage flags. |
| 21:57.51 | ompaul | Zequal: have a look at the channel name? |
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| 21:59.19 | ewew | abrotman vboxdrv causes some missmatch on usb bus or upgrade of libs. Or alltogether in non known ratio of unexpected circumstances. Random causes. |
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| 22:00.48 | Ghostbird | Ok, using init 0 from tty1 didn't help either |
| 22:01.12 | Ghostbird | I can apparently fix it by disabling wake events in the BIOS. |
| 22:01.24 | cblte | ok running so far. I had to install SPL too. that worked just fine out of the box. configure is now doing its job. maybe this works in the end |
| 22:01.25 | Ghostbird | However that's not a solution, since it doesn't address the problem. |
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| 22:02.11 | cblte | thanks for your help towo |
| 22:02.26 | Zer000 | sorry I asked a question earlier but my internet cut out : "hey gents I installed the debian rootfs with debootstrap and am running it with systemd-nspawn. However the startup scripts don't seem to run and my services aren't automatically started. What am I missing?" |
| 22:03.07 | Ghostbird | I actually want to be able to wake my machine. Just not always three seconds after suspend/shutdown. |
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| 22:05.10 | Lauwenmark | Hi. My issue with a keyboard: gets proper fr layout in console, but X sets it as us/qwerty. A different keyboard gets proper fr layout in X. udevadm info for /dev/input/eventX for the "bad" keyboard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12959240/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/12959257/ , Xorg log http://paste.ubuntu.com/12959220/ . Any idea? |
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| 22:12.27 | ewew | What is the best way to preserve system in case of failure in upgrade procedure ? LVM snapshoot or create a 1:1 copy with lvm mirror and the split it ? |
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| 22:14.06 | Zer000 | oh I figured it out. I needed the -b flag with nspawn. Then it goes through the whole boot process |
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| 22:16.12 | ewew | Zer000 http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-nspawn.html :) |
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| 22:22.09 | AimHere | Argh. Apt-get upgrade broke my computer, specifically grub. Grub now wants me to create a 2 megabyte HDD partition on a laptop I've been using for years just so I can use my computer again. In the event a killing spree is necessary for my sanity, should I be murder get the Debian people, the grub people or the UEFI people? Great... |
| 22:22.45 | mtn | I would guess the user :P |
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| 22:23.20 | AimHere | What did I do wrong, except Trust Apt-get not to put me in zigzag? |
| 22:23.40 | AimHere | Zugzwang, even. |
| 22:23.49 | mtn | AimHere, which version of debian? |
| 22:23.51 | SynrGy | on which debian release |
| 22:23.57 | AimHere | Unstable |
| 22:24.01 | SynrGy | ... |
| 22:24.02 | mtn | heh |
| 22:24.11 | SynrGy | i think suicide, then |
| 22:24.15 | AimHere | Pah |
| 22:24.16 | mtn | haha |
| 22:24.38 | AimHere | This will hit the stable users soon enough |
| 22:24.46 | SynrGy | don't get me wrong. i run unstable. but i don't call down murder on debian when it breaks. |
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| 22:25.19 | SynrGy | check for bugs filed on grub? |
| 22:25.28 | AimHere | Well it's not really breaking, in that I think this is working as intended |
| 22:26.17 | SynrGy | why would it ask you to create a partition where previously you didn't need one? is there some debconf question about it? |
| 22:26.22 | AimHere | Grub2 did have a deliberate design change |
| 22:26.43 | SynrGy | from when to when? i haven't noticed any change in a very long time |
| 22:27.13 | AimHere | It used to write all that MBR stuff in some spot on the disk that it, for good or I'll, doesn't use anymore |
| 22:27.24 | AimHere | Now it wants this partition on |
| 22:27.24 | mtn | nonsense |
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| 22:28.08 | SynrGy | "write all that mbr stuff"? umm |
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| 22:28.25 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 22:28.27 | SynrGy | one of us is confused |
| 22:28.28 | AimHere | I think it's because I was in BIOS legacy mode. People who moved up to UEFI don't have the problem |
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| 22:28.44 | teraflops | ,v grub2 |
| 22:28.45 | judd | Package: grub2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u2; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22; sid: 2.02~beta2-29; stretch: 2.02~beta2-29 |
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| 22:29.02 | marioxcc | How can I use gpg2 with no graphical environment? Normally it uses a graphical agent to ask for a password, but that is not possible in this case. |
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| 22:29.33 | marioxcc | And I want to use GNU PG 2 instead of GNU PG 1 for efficiency. I have noticed that GNU PG 2 is much faster (comparatively). |
| 22:29.38 | SynrGy | AimHere: you said unstable. you upgraded from what to what? yesterday's unstable to today's? or had it been longer without an upgrade? |
| 22:29.43 | torpet | somiaj: OK, trying clonezilla |
| 22:30.05 | AimHere | It's been a while since I hit apt-get upgrade |
| 22:30.14 | SynrGy | quantify "a while" |
| 22:30.24 | SynrGy | weeks? months? years? |
| 22:30.28 | mtn | you nit-picker you |
| 22:30.45 | AimHere | Weeks |
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| 22:31.18 | SynrGy | well, don't laugh, but sometimes people have left it for years, and then expected an upgrade to work :) |
| 22:31.42 | SynrGy | so from which grub version to which? i still don't understand how a difference of minor versions caused this |
| 22:31.58 | SynrGy | but you claim a 'redesign'. the version# output from judd doesn't seem consistent with that |
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| 22:33.48 | AimHere | Okay, if that's the case it might be easier to fix |
| 22:34.13 | SynrGy | check your log. see which version got upgraded to which. then look at the Debian changelog |
| 22:34.28 | AimHere | The problem started because I did the upgrade, and the grub version and it's modules were out of sync |
| 22:35.16 | otyugh | wouldn't it be easier ton reinstall grub from scratch ? |
| 22:35.21 | AimHere | And so I'm using the livecd it try to run grub-install |
| 22:35.30 | ewew | AimHere Can you look in /var/log/apt/ for history.log ? |
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| 22:37.15 | SynrGy | AimHere: there were a handful of UEFI-related changes in 2.02~beta2-27, for example. see changelog, and see if any of those could account for what you're experiencing |
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| 22:37.51 | SynrGy | AimHere: and yes, look in apt's logs to see which version was upgraded to which. i still would like to know. that gives us the range of revisions of grub we should be looking at in the changelog |
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| 22:38.34 | AimHere | Beta2-20 to beta2-28 or 29 |
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| 22:39.42 | SynrGy | AimHere: that's a bit of a leap ... that's not 'weeks' |
| 22:39.51 | SynrGy | more like the better part of a year |
| 22:40.02 | SynrGy | did you have it pinned before? |
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| 22:41.02 | SynrGy | AimHere: take a look again at judd's output. even *jessie* has a later version than the one you started at |
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| 22:41.54 | SynrGy | so without evidence to the contrary, i'd say you upgraded from a pre-jessie unstable to current-day unstable, based on the version#s you reported ... |
| 22:42.01 | AimHere | Maybe it pinned automatically for some reason. I haven't dist-upgraded for a while |
| 22:42.16 | AimHere | Possibly |
| 22:42.21 | SynrGy | since before jessie released? |
| 22:42.38 | SynrGy | this is not 'best practice' for maintaining an unstable system :p |
| 22:42.38 | AimHere | Couldn't tell you tbh |
| 22:42.53 | SynrGy | !sid faq |
| 22:42.53 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 22:42.56 | ps-ax | yuhu i solved the audio on the web browsers |
| 22:43.28 | SynrGy | AimHere: anyway, that's a lot of changelogs to look at now. good luck |
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| 22:44.46 | AimHere | Bah, I don't want to know when my machine broke, I'm just trying to get it not broke anymore |
| 22:44.58 | ewew | Is this offtopic here ? |
| 22:45.09 | SynrGy | AimHere: sure, but understanding "what changed" is the first step |
| 22:45.10 | AimHere | Or in the alternative, rant at something :) |
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| 22:45.53 | SynrGy | AimHere: but you have the worst possible upgrade scenario. "unstable pre-jessie -> unstable post-jessie, the better part of a year later". this is not a recipe for success. |
| 22:46.04 | pofffs | anyone know how to use wechat without a virtual machine? |
| 22:46.09 | SynrGy | as almost nobody will exercise that upgrade path. |
| 22:46.26 | AimHere | Oh, to make myself feel better, the version change was 28 to 29 |
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| 22:46.35 | SynrGy | well, then. that's better :) |
| 22:46.41 | AimHere | Makes more sense sine the Ingrave a today |
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| 22:46.49 | SynrGy | there's absolutely *nothing* in the changelog that looks like it fits your problem |
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| 22:47.57 | AimHere | I attempted a kernel upgrade at the same time. The modules and grub version got out of sync |
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| 22:48.32 | AimHere | And now the UEFI stuff is what's stopping me from using grub-install to fix it |
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| 22:49.52 | ewew | UEFI Unstable Errorous Flaw Integration :) |
| 22:50.08 | AimHere | Grub modules not kernel modules, insofar as there's a difference |
| 22:50.38 | SynrGy | ok. well, you have grub-efi, and i don't, so it's going to be hard to compare notes ... |
| 22:50.49 | SynrGy | but i still don't understand when the breakage actually occurred |
| 22:51.00 | SynrGy | nor what the nature of the breakage is, since i've seen no error output |
| 22:51.08 | SynrGy | (or just output) |
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| 22:53.13 | AimHere | Well the problem started with a boot into grub rescue mode and (after some faffing around) attempting to use Insmod came up with 'symbol not found' errors, likely a version mismatch |
| 22:55.14 | somiaj | AimHere: well you mention efi, are you using efi or legacy boot and when you booted into rescue mode did you use the same boot? |
| 22:55.43 | SynrGy | wait, what precipitated the boot into grub rescue mode? |
| 22:56.04 | AimHere | I apt-get upgraded and then rebooted is all |
| 22:56.14 | SynrGy | so instead of booting it dropped you to rescue mode |
| 22:56.15 | AimHere | Kernel upgrade |
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| 22:56.19 | AimHere | Yes |
| 22:56.39 | SynrGy | so your kernel hadn't been upgraded in how long before that? |
| 22:56.59 | SynrGy | and this is a standard debian kernel, or a self-built one? |
| 22:57.01 | AimHere | Grub was confused and couldn't find the module files. I set a variable, it found them, and then I got symbol errors |
| 22:57.10 | AimHere | Standard kernel |
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| 22:58.06 | SynrGy | so the first thing after this happens is to identify which version of grub you have, then go see if there are bugs filed on it ... |
| 22:58.09 | AimHere | 3.16 to 4.3. I did try an earlier kernel before, but I had problems so I stayed on the older one |
| 22:58.14 | teraflops | AimHere: you havent properly mounted your esp while upgrading? |
| 22:58.21 | SynrGy | er, 3.16 to 4.3? wow |
| 22:58.50 | AimHere | As I say, I held it back because of a problen |
| 22:58.52 | markybob | just reinstall. that type of upgrade is insane. |
| 22:58.55 | SynrGy | but you have been happily doing update-grub on that with each grub upgrade |
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| 22:59.48 | AimHere | Well with my patchy update schedule, yes |
| 22:59.59 | SynrGy | sigh |
| 23:00.27 | SynrGy | well, there's enough WTF in this story so far that if you're looking to apportion blame, i think you do need to look in the mirror |
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| 23:00.54 | SynrGy | as for getting it working again ... being dropped to grub rescue and "setting a variable" is where i started to get lost |
| 23:01.11 | SynrGy | i don't have a clear idea in my head what happened there |
| 23:01.18 | ewew | This should be redirected to #debian-next irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:01.30 | SynrGy | i'm highly suspicious of your conjecture that -28 to -29 broke it |
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| 23:01.47 | AimHere | Well I'm guessing that the grub version was looking for modules in the wrong place |
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| 23:02.05 | SynrGy | look at the changelog. nothing in there backs up your guess |
| 23:02.17 | SynrGy | do a debdiff if you like. |
| 23:03.12 | SynrGy | so if you want, downgrade your grub using rescue media and see if this helps |
| 23:03.18 | SynrGy | but i have my doubts |
| 23:03.59 | AimHere | I'm trying to get rescue media to work |
| 23:04.22 | AimHere | That's where the UEFI and Bios hassle comes in |
| 23:05.14 | SynrGy | well, you run an unstable system and you don't have usable rescue media? |
| 23:05.20 | SynrGy | address that. |
| 23:05.27 | AimHere | I have a debian live cd |
| 23:05.42 | SynrGy | which doesn't support efi |
| 23:05.48 | AimHere | Yeah |
| 23:05.49 | SynrGy | unless you custom built it |
| 23:06.14 | ewew | AimHere Is it worth the time. If it is fresh system without data it would be faster to reinstall. |
| 23:06.17 | AimHere | Annoying. Also didn't have my unfree wireless firmware |
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| 23:07.03 | SynrGy | sounds like it's a system with a bit of a history. not a fresh install |
| 23:07.18 | AimHere | Indeed. |
| 23:07.31 | SynrGy | also, your typical unstable user mentality is "i'll spend as much time as it takes" :) |
| 23:07.56 | SynrGy | a reinstall is admitting defeat :p |
| 23:08.06 | somiaj | Stable + Backports won't have these issues, but isn't nearly as much fun...(: |
| 23:08.21 | SynrGy | AimHere: it has been suggested we take it to #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 23:08.22 | ewew | AimHere When you get working chroot into unstable and fix the grub. |
| 23:08.30 | AimHere | Well yes. Also 'this system is the way I like it. Reinstalling changes stuff' |
| 23:08.36 | SynrGy | AimHere: i have to agree it has gotten pretty hairy and perhaps hampers stable users getting help here. |
| 23:08.53 | SynrGy | AimHere: don't worry about re-telling the whole story. many of us are on both channels |
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| 23:09.27 | somiaj | I missed the intro but sounds like he just needs to get an offical installer for efi boot rescue media |
| 23:09.37 | SynrGy | probably |
| 23:09.40 | AimHere | Yeah |
| 23:10.06 | SynrGy | and then try the downgrade, since it's your theory that broke it, and that needs to be tested first. |
| 23:10.08 | AimHere | Something with a new grub-install, efi and whatnot. |
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| 23:12.18 | ewew | It may be that hw has something special that wacks the bootloader. The grub is not involved in this. Maybe some instruction is taken in a weird way. |
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| 23:13.05 | markybob | no. it's that he did the most ridiculous upgrade any of us has ever heard of |
| 23:13.09 | markybob | waste of time |
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| 23:14.01 | SynrGy | markybob: it's only ridiculous without hearing his reasons. he did say he had reasons not to upgrade his kernel for a while |
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| 23:15.59 | AimHere | The ridiculous upgrade went smoothly. It was the one after that caused this hassle! |
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| 23:16.51 | SynrGy | interesting. so you upgraded 3.16 -> 4.3 kernel and it was fine on the next reboot until a very small upgrade with grub in it after? |
| 23:17.53 | SynrGy | also, 4.3 is only in experimental. i gather 4.2 didn't work out for you? |
| 23:18.03 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 23:18.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-rc5-686-pae (4.3~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.3-2); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.3-2); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.3-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u5) |
| 23:18.28 | somiaj | SynrGy: the rabbit hole can be deep. (: |
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| 23:19.07 | AimHere | 4.2,yes |
| 23:20.07 | randomuser123 | dban doesnt book for me. when i select it in the boot menu it goes to a black screen with an underscore for a second and then goes back to the boot menu |
| 23:20.12 | randomuser123 | *boot |
| 23:21.49 | Jonnyw2k | randomuser123, efi or legacy? |
| 23:22.06 | SynrGy | AimHere: oh, then you misspoke? |
| 23:22.08 | SynrGy | ok |
| 23:22.26 | AimHere | Hmm, maybe not |
| 23:22.29 | SynrGy | AimHere: i don't know how to get you equipped with the proper boot media is all |
| 23:22.41 | SynrGy | one does not 'accidentally' end up on experimental |
| 23:22.47 | SynrGy | not unless your pinning is really whacked |
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| 23:23.25 | AimHere | I had experimental from years back. I think the 4.3 key el we because I just clicked it in synaptic |
| 23:23.43 | AimHere | Seeing as it was the shiniest one in the list! |
| 23:23.47 | SynrGy | uggh |
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| 23:24.03 | SynrGy | generally it's best to stick with the metapackage for your release |
| 23:24.10 | SynrGy | linux-image-amd64 or so |
| 23:24.31 | SynrGy | that will always depend on the "shiniest but won't set fire to the cat" |
| 23:24.54 | AimHere | Indeed, but as I say, I had issues with an earlier 4.something |
| 23:25.15 | AimHere | Getting as far as a kernel would be a bonus |
| 23:25.46 | SynrGy | i gotta go. family stuff. later |
| 23:25.56 | ewew | offline |
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| 23:26.05 | randomuser123 | Jonnyw2k, my bios has support for both |
| 23:26.29 | Jonnyw2k | what did you install it as? |
| 23:26.58 | randomuser123 | legacy i think |
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| 23:28.08 | randomuser123 | Jonnyw2k, its really confusing |
| 23:28.34 | Chocolate_Chip | 'm trying to edit the wiki page for my user, and it's being really weird |
| 23:28.39 | randomuser123 | i can only change the "UEFI/Legacy boot" in the startup section of settings |
| 23:28.45 | randomuser123 | it is set to legacy only |
| 23:28.48 | Chocolate_Chip | Can I not do [http://example.com/ linkTitle] |
| 23:28.51 | AimHere | Aha, success! Linux mind's livecd had enough oomph to fix my problem! Thanks all |
| 23:29.01 | AimHere | *mint |
| 23:29.19 | Jonnyw2k | randomuser123, make sure bios is set to legacy |
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| 23:34.56 | Jonnyw2k | randomuser123, select the harddrive at the bootmenu |
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| 23:35.26 | randomuser123 | with my os? |
| 23:35.31 | Jonnyw2k | yeah |
| 23:35.42 | Jonnyw2k | just the OS not efi entry |
| 23:36.36 | randomuser123 | i only have the device in the boot menu |
| 23:36.58 | Jonnyw2k | if you have a live usb try booting into that |
| 23:37.30 | randomuser123 | ah so i just need to boot into an os, got it |
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| 23:38.52 | randomuser123 | what now? |
| 23:39.04 | Jonnyw2k | can you access the boot partition? |
| 23:39.13 | randomuser123 | yes |
| 23:39.24 | Jonnyw2k | find your grub.cfg |
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| 23:40.35 | randomuser123 | its in /boot/grub right? |
| 23:40.40 | Jonnyw2k | should be |
| 23:40.42 | Jonnyw2k | wait |
| 23:40.52 | randomuser123 | i see it |
| 23:40.57 | Jonnyw2k | not if your in a different os |
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| 23:41.39 | Jonnyw2k | you should see a 255mb parition you want to mount |
| 23:42.17 | randomuser123 | in grub.cfg? |
| 23:42.46 | Jonnyw2k | in the file manager |
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| 23:43.45 | randomuser123 | i see it in /media/user |
| 23:43.51 | Jonnyw2k | yeah |
| 23:43.52 | randomuser123 | there is a folder called DBAN |
| 23:44.07 | randomuser123 | its 16.4 mb though... |
| 23:44.34 | Jonnyw2k | the folder is? |
| 23:44.52 | Jonnyw2k | is there a grub folder in there? |
| 23:45.07 | randomuser123 | no |
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| 23:45.52 | randomuser123 | there is isolinux.cat dban.dzi isolinux.cfg isolinux.bin and a bunch of informational text files |
| 23:46.23 | Jonnyw2k | uhmm |
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| 23:48.32 | randomuser123 | aha |
| 23:49.02 | randomuser123 | Jonnyw2k, in the iso there is a directory [BOOT] |
| 23:49.10 | randomuser123 | it didnt get copied with dd |
| 23:49.20 | randomuser123 | and the filenames have changed too |
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| 23:49.27 | randomuser123 | they were all caps before |
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| 23:50.27 | Jonnyw2k | is your installer not booting? |
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| 23:51.13 | randomuser123 | what installer? |
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| 23:52.14 | Jonnyw2k | have you installed dban |
| 23:52.44 | randomuser123 | it is a live iso |
| 23:53.13 | Jonnyw2k | remake the iso, you using windows or linux? |
| 23:53.21 | randomuser123 | linux |
| 23:53.29 | Jonnyw2k | strange |
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| 23:54.42 | randomuser123 | i did dd bs=4M if=dbaniso.iso of=/dev/sdx && sync |
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| 23:57.19 | randomuser123 | as root |
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