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| 00:54.18 | Gerowen | Anybody know what would cause the Debian 8 NetInstall Image to just say "Boot Error" when trying to boot from it? I'm using Unetbootin to make the thumb drive. |
| 00:54.33 | somiaj | unetbootin is exactly what is causing your trouble. |
| 00:54.37 | somiaj | What os are you making the image from? |
| 00:54.42 | Gerowen | Ubuntu |
| 00:55.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Gerowen about usb install |
| 00:55.22 | somiaj | Gerowen: just cp the image to the device, if /dev/sdX is your us device (not /dev/sdX1), then cp debian.iso /dev/sdX -- note this will destroy all data on the device you copy it to. |
| 00:55.32 | Gerowen | Literally just downloaded the ISO like 5 minutes ago, have tried putting it on 2 different pen drives to make sure it wasn't the drive. |
| 00:56.33 | Gerowen | So I just sudo cp path-to-iso /dev/sdb ? Sounds easy enough. |
| 00:57.49 | Gerowen | Tried Ubuntu out for a little while and have ran into an issue or two that didn't exist in Debian 8, so I'm switching back. |
| 00:58.13 | somiaj | Gerowen: correct, that easy. again all data on /dev/sdb will be destroyed, so make sure it is the correct device. (: |
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| 01:09.36 | foul_owl | Hi folks. How do I activate my TTYs on Debian 8? |
| 01:09.57 | foul_owl | Or at least one TTY? |
| 01:10.23 | somiaj | systemd should do this automatically, just hit ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 01:10.40 | somiaj | they are just not all run at boot, but only as requested. And xorg should be running on top of tty1 I belive. |
| 01:11.16 | foul_owl | ctrl+alt+f2 shows the boot messages but doesn't give me a login prompt |
| 01:11.44 | somiaj | foul_owl: are you still in the installer? |
| 01:11.49 | somiaj | what about ctrl-alt-f3 |
| 01:12.13 | foul_owl | Nope this is in my running system |
| 01:12.33 | foul_owl | ctrl+alt+f3 has no effect |
| 01:13.47 | somiaj | Sounds like you have done something non-standard. On all of my jessie systems I do not see boot logs on tty2, and additional tty's are created (up to 6) as I request them |
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| 01:14.26 | somiaj | what you are talking about sounds like you have booted up off the installer |
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| 01:16.25 | foul_owl | I'm not sure what to say |
| 01:16.31 | abrotman | liveCD? |
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| 01:16.39 | foul_owl | Nope, it's an installed system |
| 01:16.44 | abrotman | foul_owl: alt-f3 ? |
| 01:16.47 | foul_owl | I've had it running for at least a year now |
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| 01:17.07 | somiaj | me either, I am unsure why your set up is different than the defaults I'm use to. |
| 01:17.17 | foul_owl | I did upgrade to 8 from 7 |
| 01:17.21 | foul_owl | Maybe that borked things |
| 01:17.24 | abrotman | no |
| 01:17.37 | abrotman | foul_owl: in your /etc/inittab, are there any defined ttys? |
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| 01:17.57 | abrotman | thinks that's still what makes that work :( |
| 01:18.15 | somiaj | I think it is to, I just think they are only loaded when requested |
| 01:18.35 | somiaj | well on my jessie vm I have no inittab, so maybe that is incorrect |
| 01:18.35 | foul_owl | https://gist.github.com/foulowl/787d55604b7847df44d3 |
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| 01:19.46 | somiaj | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_default_number_of_gettys.3F -- yea systemd does not use inittab |
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| 01:20.43 | abrotman | and you probably have to enable it? |
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| 01:22.30 | somiaj | seems it just uses links to service files, which for some reason didn't get created and seem to be replaced by a put a log on this tty link. |
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| 01:23.16 | somiaj | ls /lib/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/ |
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| 01:26.41 | AndyDee | Hello room |
| 01:28.23 | somiaj | hmm, actually seems the archwiki info may be incorrect. Looking at my jessie vm and in that directory I see, "Description=getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available", so seems dbus or logind is doing the tty's |
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| 01:41.33 | jaggzt | Does anyone use a Wacom tablet and KDE? I'm trying to find a UI for its settings but .. not having luck |
| 01:41.38 | foul_owl | Thanks folks |
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| 01:46.20 | jaggzt | found it in the menus after installing kde-config-tablet .. but it's a kind of silly ui |
| 01:46.24 | jaggzt | doesn't seem to work either |
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| 01:47.17 | LordShadowWing | http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/10/27/226226/us-senate-passes-the-cybersecurity-information-sharing-act-74-21 |
| 01:47.40 | abrotman | LordShadowWing: please stop spamming here |
| 01:48.02 | LordShadowWing | Just spreading the bad news |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | NOT HERE |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | we have -offtopic for that |
| 01:48.51 | LordShadowWing | I keep forgerring that this channel is for support |
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| 01:53.07 | andrew_ | name |
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| 01:55.06 | k_sze_ | I'm having some trouble identifying the NICs on my server. |
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| 01:55.18 | mf|pc | bacon is epic and all but |
| 01:55.20 | mf|pc | byyye |
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| 01:56.07 | k_sze_ | I can get a list of my NIC using `lspci | grep -i eth`, but how do I associate the pci address with my eth0, eth1, etc? |
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| 02:05.00 | woshty | markybob: thx |
| 02:05.26 | crippledmonk | finally commited to debian and not some off shoot distro based on debian. |
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| 02:07.18 | abrotman | Pfft, you missed the bacon .. |
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| 02:19.50 | bobby67 | debian sucks, im more anonymous with Windows 95 |
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| 02:20.50 | abrotman | bobby67: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 02:22.24 | beepie | eh |
| 02:22.41 | beepie | i think there's a bug here with 5e172c7df6ab46ded2f2b44df22e1ca2 debian-8.2.0-amd64-CD-1.iso, installing properly in kvm |
| 02:22.46 | beepie | i'm going to retry this |
| 02:23.02 | beepie | kept looping on scanning a cd/dvd .. i'll see if there's a bugreport on this |
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| 03:06.23 | beepie | must of been a shift-lock here with the virtual kvm here... it passes this time when i stick on-view phew XD |
| 03:08.16 | n_blownapart | hi I'm configuring the networking on debian vagrant vm on a debian host. the linux host ip number is what I would use for a private network, right? i.e. 192.168.50.4 or similar, just to use file synching, etc? |
| 03:09.26 | nevyn | yes |
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| 03:11.56 | LordShadowWing | somehow I converted my Regular Debian to DebianEdu |
| 03:12.01 | n_blownapart | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:13.48 | n_blownapart | ^ for lack of a better way to say it.. |
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| 03:15.30 | crippledmonk | debian edu? did you apt-get install -y debian-edu-install or something. |
| 03:16.09 | LordShadowWing | no |
| 03:16.46 | LordShadowWing | I have the latest linux-libre installed and i installed firmware-linux |
| 03:18.43 | crippledmonk | mabey it was part of that..idk. |
| 03:18.51 | LordShadowWing | no clue |
| 03:19.01 | LordShadowWing | it works the same, |
| 03:20.17 | nevyn | n_blownapart: yes but. |
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| 03:21.34 | nevyn | n_blownapart: because it's using rfc1918 private ip addresses you'd need to port forward from a public ip address to the vm. |
| 03:21.47 | nevyn | if the linux host has a real ip address that's not too tricky |
| 03:22.22 | nevyn | if it's also on a private network without a 'real' address then you'd need to forward to the host machine then forward to the virtual machine |
| 03:22.23 | n_blownapart | nevyn, thank you kindly, I need to digest that... |
| 03:22.30 | nevyn | it's unpretty |
| 03:23.04 | n_blownapart | ok I might get a digitalocean account and play with it that way. |
| 03:23.10 | nevyn | allowing the vm to access internet resources is reasonably trivial |
| 03:23.33 | nevyn | having 'stuff' on the internet access services on the vm is more challenging |
| 03:24.08 | n_blownapart | so my host machine is just a shared home wireless ip. nevyn , I assume that is a 'real' address |
| 03:25.10 | nevyn | nope |
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| 03:25.19 | nevyn | it's not routable from the internet |
| 03:25.23 | nevyn | it's natted |
| 03:25.50 | nevyn | so you have an internet (small i) |
| 03:26.02 | nevyn | connected to the Internet |
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| 03:27.41 | n_blownapart | nevyn, ok many thanks, allow me to get my act together. |
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| 03:28.02 | nevyn | <vm with 192.168.50.x address> -- <host with 192.168.50.4 address> <linux host with otherrfc1918 address> --- <wireless router with rfc1918 address> |NAT| <wireless router real internet address> --->>> Internet |
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| 03:30.30 | nevyn | n_blownapart: ^^ |
| 03:30.41 | solarnetone | hey qman_ who is your ipv6 tunnel broker? i would not mind having some addresses in 2600:: |
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| 03:31.27 | n_blownapart | nevyn, thanks working on it. |
| 03:31.39 | nevyn | n_blownapart: is that correct? |
| 03:31.47 | nevyn | that's a guess based on the previous discussion |
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| 03:33.57 | n_blownapart | nevyn, It might take me a while to comprehend that. I'm getting ahead of myself but many thanks. |
| 03:34.33 | nevyn | so... |
| 03:34.47 | nevyn | how much networking do you know? |
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| 03:36.03 | nevyn | a modern home network involves some advanced concepts these days |
| 03:36.14 | nevyn | things were simpler before routers and wifi |
| 03:36.34 | beepie | n_blownapart, basics in networking takes time to learn... you'll get confused if you don't know the main purpose of routers.. and that is to segragate as well as integrate elements depending on what the use-case is |
| 03:36.58 | beepie | n_blownapart, NAT means to "hide" the private network- this allos many home machines to share one internet access public ip address |
| 03:37.06 | beepie | n_blownapart, (nat == network address translation) |
| 03:37.24 | Guest78974 | How do I add startup items with this useless, pure schizophrenia based systemd things? Back in wonderful init times I just had to drop my script into /etc/init.d directory... |
| 03:37.47 | nevyn | also rfc1918 = 192.168.* 10.* 172.16-31.* |
| 03:38.14 | n_blownapart | nevyn, beepie thanks again, I will read more. for the moment I can ssh into the vm and fiddle around. thanks for your direct, non-cynical advice. |
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| 03:39.08 | nevyn | n_blownapart: I'd start by making your vm network availible to all your home machines |
| 03:39.25 | beepie | n_blownapart, the idea with NAT is the router has to support it.. most of those little boxes do.. but if you're setting up your own custom router you have to understand that the NAT is a feature of a router |
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| 03:39.37 | beepie | n_blownapart, and NAT can be turned off or on when your building your own router |
| 03:39.42 | nevyn | this would require enabling ip forwarding on the linux machine and telling the home router about the 192.168.50 network is behind the linux machine |
| 03:40.32 | beepie | if he's building his own router, yeah he has to setup the router -- those elements mentioned above -- "ip_forwarding" and "nat" |
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| 03:42.04 | nevyn | he doesn't need nat to make it work in his house |
| 03:42.08 | nevyn | just normal routing |
| 03:42.45 | beepie | i dont know his setup |
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| 03:42.59 | n_blownapart | nevyn, beepie thanks, the ip forwarding methods are in the Vagrant lit. I believe. |
| 03:42.59 | beepie | he said he wants to get a vps hosting to toy around with networking tehe |
| 03:43.18 | beergear | n_blownapart: NAT (specifically DNAT or destination NAT - also commonly called Port Forwarding) rewrites network addresses so that you can 'hide' behind an address |
| 03:43.24 | beepie | n_blownapart, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYW7kQRyUvA |
| 03:43.34 | n_blownapart | thanks all |
| 03:43.34 | beergear | You can SSH into the box from a remote location, so I assume you port forwarded to get that access right? |
| 03:43.37 | beepie | n_blownapart, trust me this is good, i have it bookmarked ;-) |
| 03:43.55 | beepie | n_blownapart, i use ovs here and abroad |
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| 03:44.25 | beepie | n_blownapart, that can help you to get practicing with networking |
| 03:45.07 | n_blownapart | beergear, its not a remote location its my home debian machine with a guest vagrant vm. I guess the file synching is default. obviously lost but thanks! |
| 03:45.31 | n_blownapart | beepie, gonna watch it now... |
| 03:45.49 | nevyn | n_blownapart: hypervisors (like vagrent) provide lots of mechnisims for communcation between vm's and hosts |
| 03:45.50 | beergear | n_blownapart: oh ok well wish I could help you more with that bit |
| 03:45.57 | nevyn | not all of these rely on networking. |
| 03:46.19 | nevyn | some are funky storage passthrough tricks in the hypervisor that are faster |
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| 03:46.35 | n_blownapart | you guys are very kind. a big benefit on top of a wicked-fast fresh debian install. |
| 03:46.55 | beergear | nevyn: he wants to ping the VM from the host |
| 03:47.04 | nevyn | he can do that. |
| 03:47.28 | nevyn | the request was how to make the vm accessible 'from the Internet' |
| 03:47.38 | n_blownapart | yeah like send a ping through mongolia |
| 03:47.41 | nevyn | which.. given the network topology.. is not trivial |
| 03:47.48 | beergear | ahh right, forgot about that bit |
| 03:48.04 | n_blownapart | no worries |
| 03:48.33 | nevyn | particularly ping is unlikely to ever work from the internet to a natted host |
| 03:49.26 | beergear | n_blownapart: you can NAT the internal 'virtual' network into your host's network. You can also do something called bridging where you make the virtual adapter appear on your hosts NIC |
| 03:49.51 | beergear | NAT in NAT is tricky, so I'd suggest looking into bridging for vagrant |
| 03:49.59 | nevyn | boo do real routing |
| 03:50.03 | nevyn | don't do nat in nat |
| 03:50.21 | beergear | yeah :P |
| 03:50.21 | nevyn | just tell the wifi router about the vagrant network |
| 03:50.24 | n_blownapart | I think I did that with vagrant - bridging - a year ago before I broke my hand. thanks all |
| 03:50.53 | nevyn | and tell the vm that everything is availible via the linux host gw |
| 03:51.25 | beergear | n_blownapart: if you can get it bridged, and your host firewall rules allow icmp pings from the network, you can port forward from your internet router to the VM's IP |
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| 03:52.24 | beergear | It may or may not be able to forward icmp, but good chance it will. Then you just do the same for SSH or Web port or whatever |
| 03:52.56 | nevyn | eww. |
| 03:53.32 | beergear | nevyn: got a better solution? :P |
| 03:53.59 | n_blownapart | beergear, thanks I'll play with it nevyn |
| 03:54.01 | nevyn | ipv6!!! :) |
| 03:54.17 | beergear | You could pass a NIC into the VM and let it have its own card I suppose |
| 03:54.32 | beepie | n_blownapart, that ovs setup demonstrated shows a software switch.. which is essentially a bridge internal on the local machine |
| 03:54.51 | nevyn | I still like routing the nat already in place should just take care of it. |
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| 03:54.57 | beepie | n_blownapart, you'll bump between the terms bridge and switch often, they kinda mean the same thing |
| 03:55.21 | n_blownapart | I really appreciate it. this is a bit overwhelming but I will go over the log here and come up with something. |
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| 03:56.30 | beergear | n_blownapart: np man :) take your time learning the stuff. I find it really fun. Took me ages to get a grip on the basics. |
| 03:56.36 | nevyn | n_blownapart: if you have questions. |
| 03:56.40 | nevyn | we're usually about |
| 03:57.46 | beepie | n_blownapart, i think you'll appreciate the idea of ovs-- there's something called a "monitor port" if you ever wish to use snort |
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| 03:57.48 | beepie | ;-) |
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| 03:58.26 | beepie | n_blownapart, mess around with netflow and sflow with ovs can also make things interesting in measuring bandwidth usage -- good for monitoring ddos attacks |
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| 04:00.56 | n_blownapart | nevyn, beepie very kind thanks! |
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| 04:02.24 | beepie | n_blownapart, np |
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| 04:27.03 | beepie | lfs, x2go is much easier to setup :p |
| 04:27.24 | beepie | lfs, it works under ssh, just add x2goserver and x2goclient on the other side and it is ready to be used :) |
| 04:28.52 | beepie | lfs oh your chromebooooookk.. oh well if there's no x2goclient, then maybe you can try the x2goweb thingy .. i hate chromeos |
| 04:28.55 | beepie | haha |
| 04:29.50 | Gerowen | Would this be the right place to ask why PCSXR crashes as soon as you try to launch a game? Doesn't matter if it's ISO, real Playstation disc, emulated or real BIOS. |
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| 04:36.36 | lfs | Love my Chromebook. |
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| 04:48.34 | vincent42 | hi all, what package contains apt-key ? |
| 04:50.22 | vincent42 | google does not seem to know, anybody here knows ? |
| 04:50.29 | unascribed | the 'apt' package |
| 04:50.38 | unascribed | confirmed with a dpkg -L and -S |
| 04:51.12 | vincent42 | ok thanks, now I see there was a typo on my command line |
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| 05:44.10 | brian|lfs | question anyone do vga passthrough with qemu and KVM? |
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| 06:00.04 | Gerowen | Hmmm, Gnome workspaces appear to be broken now in Jessie. Not sure what happened, have disabled all extensions. Now all windows appear on all desktops all the time, and I'm not able to drag them to create new workspaces. |
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| 06:06.07 | asterismo_l | hi ppl |
| 06:06.12 | asterismo_l | i need help with something |
| 06:06.32 | asterismo_l | i'm running a Dell Optiplex |
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| 06:06.53 | asterismo_l | with a LAN Ethernet card 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M Tornado |
| 06:07.15 | asterismo_l | it is not working, not connecting and not listed in ifconfig, it is listed in ifconfig -a |
| 06:07.26 | asterismo_l | missing driver? |
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| 06:09.14 | brian|lfs | sounds like you need firmware |
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| 06:09.24 | brian|lfs | did you already try dhclient eth0 |
| 06:09.43 | Gerowin | Anybody know how to fix broken Gnome 3 workspaces? My windows are all showing up on all workspaces, can't drag them to new ones. |
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| 06:11.20 | asterismo_l | brian|lfs: possibly, i installed debian in the HDD plugged to other mobo because destination PC mobo cannot be connected with optical and HDD together |
| 06:11.35 | asterismo_l | but i installed linux-firmware, free and onfree |
| 06:11.42 | asterismo_l | nonfree* |
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| 06:11.56 | asterismo_l | is there any other pci network cards firmware packages i missed? |
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| 06:14.38 | asterismo_l | brian|lfs: dont have that command dhclient |
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| 06:17.05 | brian|lfs | maybe its dhcpcd |
| 06:17.35 | brian|lfs | you doing it as root or sudo in front of the command |
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| 06:17.50 | brian|lfs | and what verison of Debian |
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| 06:19.39 | asterismo_l | wheezy |
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| 06:21.57 | asterismo_l | wait, sudo ifconfig eth1 up turned the card on |
| 06:22.02 | angelsl | hi, i'm trying to get emdebian's mips crosscompilers installed |
| 06:22.11 | asterismo_l | now i see it issuing only sudo ifconfig |
| 06:22.18 | asterismo_l | it is not connected |
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| 06:22.19 | asterismo_l | rebooting |
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| 06:22.39 | angelsl | they depend on old versions of libgcc-4.9-dev in the repositories so i added a debian snapshot to my sources.list |
| 06:22.58 | angelsl | i.e. |
| 06:23.09 | angelsl | deb [trusted=yes arch+=mips,mipsel] http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20141209T220743Z/ sid main; deb [trusted=yes arch+=mips,mipsel] http://emdebian.org/tools/debian/ jessie main |
| 06:23.26 | angelsl | .. apt-get refuses to see any packages from the snapshot though. :/ |
| 06:23.39 | angelsl | apt-cache show libgcc-4.9-dev:mips shows nothing |
| 06:23.54 | angelsl | apt-get install libgcc-4.9-dev:mips says no package found |
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| 06:35.14 | asterismo_l | ok i managed to fix it tweaking the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:35.15 | asterismo_l | dome |
| 06:35.17 | asterismo_l | done |
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| 06:39.09 | MalikiAjdar | hi to all. how can i kill zombie in process? with 'kill' command dont close |
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| 06:45.16 | unascribed | you can't, as a zombie process is there so the parent process can get the information about the child process even though it died |
| 06:45.32 | unascribed | once the parent checks the child it'll be gone; if the parent process has broken, that will never happen, and you can kill the parent |
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| 06:59.37 | MalikiAjdar | unascribed: thanks |
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| 07:00.08 | unascribed | welcome |
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| 07:12.57 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 07:14.09 | anikras | hey, how I can download the last version JDK with wget ? I don't like download a specific version.It is for a script in bash |
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| 07:15.29 | beepie | anikras, you can build hte oracle's tarball to a deb with the help of the make-jpkg pacakge |
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| 07:15.57 | beepie | anikras, (if openjdk is not compatible with your java app) |
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| 07:16.37 | anikras | beepie, I need download JDK from oracle. It is a requeriment form my script |
| 07:17.03 | beepie | anikras, so download it from oracle.. you'll need to register but it is "free" to sign up |
| 07:17.25 | anikras | I saw diferent scripts for download especific version |
| 07:17.32 | beepie | anikras, so? |
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| 07:17.43 | beepie | anikras, scripts? hein? they're tarballs |
| 07:17.55 | beepie | anikras, download it from their site... |
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| 07:18.01 | beepie | anikras, "web browser"... |
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| 07:18.17 | beepie | anikras, then use some ssh-sftp uploading if you got to |
| 07:18.30 | anikras | i saw this command: wget --no-check-certificate --no-cookies --header "Cookie: oraclelicense=accept-securebackup-cookie" http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/8u60-b27/jdk-8u60-linux-x64.tar.gz |
| 07:18.35 | beepie | anikras, you do have ssh right? |
| 07:18.45 | anikras | yes I do |
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| 07:18.57 | beepie | anikras, so use ssh-sftp if you have to :) |
| 07:19.24 | anikras | ok |
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| 07:19.30 | beepie | anikras, that's the command "sftp" |
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| 07:19.38 | beepie | anikras, you can use identity files with sftp |
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| 07:20.57 | anikras | ok, thanks beepie |
| 07:21.18 | stew | anikras: what do you mean by "last version"? |
| 07:22.07 | anikras | in the last command I have specific version 1.8.60, but It is not the last version in the web page |
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| 07:22.51 | Gr1 | Greetings everyone. |
| 07:22.57 | stew | so you are looking for the last version on some web page? |
| 07:23.32 | stew | anikras: you want to check some arbitrary web page for what the late version published on that page is? |
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| 07:25.34 | anikras | I want download the last version JDK with shell script |
| 07:26.24 | anikras | because If I reinstall debian, This script download the last version |
| 07:26.34 | stew | what do you mean by last version? |
| 07:26.49 | stew | http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk9 ? |
| 07:27.10 | stew | but you specifically want an oracle version? |
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| 07:27.38 | anikras | now the last version in oracle is jdk1.8.65 |
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| 07:30.51 | stew | anikras: the last version is 1.8.66 |
| 07:31.20 | stew | or perhaps 9 |
| 07:31.30 | stew | since they have version 9 out there as well |
| 07:32.08 | anikras | I find a similar scripts in github, https://gist.github.com/P7h/9741922 |
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| 07:36.03 | stew | anikras: I don't think what you are asking for is possible |
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| 07:36.41 | anikras | stew, Yes, you are right |
| 07:36.49 | anikras | I need download a specific version |
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| 07:48.34 | jelly | MrPee: is the macbook running Debian? It depends on the terminal emulator used |
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| 08:10.42 | metaphysician | LordMux: #debian-next channel is on OFTC network. |
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| 08:17.07 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
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| 08:24.20 | LordMux | metaphysician: Thanks ;) |
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| 08:30.27 | Adelxoxo | Is there an obvious issue that could have broken my debian testing within the last couple of days? I did an upgrade yesterday (didnt do one in a few days) and now my system seems to have problem launching sddm. Just asking if theres any obvious reason why it would act like that, Im currently working and cant look too much into it |
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| 08:32.01 | Iridos | Adelxoxo, that's a question for #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net, really... that's where the people using testing hang out |
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| 08:33.58 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
| 08:34.30 | jomofcw | Can I upgrade directly from Lenny to Jessie, or shall I upgrade frist to Squeeze, then to Wheezy and, finally, to Jessie ? |
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| 08:35.29 | MY123_SurfaceRT | jomofcw: I 'm afraid about LZMA |
| 08:35.31 | LordMux | do update dist-upgrade and see what happens. Though why do you have Lenny? |
| 08:36.31 | jomofcw | Dunno :x I'm not the one who installed that dev server xD. |
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| 08:36.49 | jomofcw | But I'm now the only one to use it, so i kow what I need, right now :P. |
| 08:36.56 | jomofcw | And I need an up to date server ;). |
| 08:37.08 | jomofcw | MY123_SurfaceRT : LZMA ? |
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| 08:39.20 | MY123_SurfaceRT | Debian changed the .deb format |
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| 08:39.53 | MY123_SurfaceRT | jomofcw: so you may not be lucky if that wasn't backported |
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| 08:40.44 | LordMux | Adelxoxo, debian next says: Avoid stretch for a while if you don't like reporting bugs |
| 08:41.35 | jomofcw | Hm in fact it seems that I'm using v6 of debian (Squeeze) but PHP is announced as the "lenny version"... |
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| 08:43.56 | strk | MY123_SurfaceRT: are you the same as MY123 from #linux ? I've news about the Lenovo shutdown bug, is a kernel regression (from 3.2+) |
| 08:44.22 | MY123_SurfaceRT | strk: yes I am |
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| 08:44.59 | MY123_SurfaceRT | strk: so Lenovo fucked up their ACPI tables? |
| 08:45.47 | strk | MY123_SurfaceRT: well, probably (given they provide an upgrade) -- but older kernel was able to workaround it, looks like |
| 08:45.58 | jomofcw | Do the tutorials from howtoforge about upgrade Debian are good ? |
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| 08:46.17 | strk | how should this be reported to kernel devs ? |
| 08:46.40 | LordMux | why not use debian site? |
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| 08:48.06 | SynrGy | !tell jomofcw about lenny->squeeze |
| 08:48.14 | SynrGy | !tell jomofcw about squeeze->wheezy |
| 08:48.21 | SynrGy | !tell jomofcw about wheezy->jessie |
| 08:48.32 | SynrGy | jomofcw: you have to upgrade one release at a time. |
| 08:48.42 | jomofcw | LordMux because I don't find those on Debian website really didactic :/. |
| 08:48.46 | MY123_SurfaceRT | strk: Matthew Garett is sick from ACPI bugs, so I think that a BIOS update is better |
| 08:48.56 | SynrGy | jomofcw: see the messages dpkg bot sent. it's all there. |
| 08:49.05 | jomofcw | SynrG hello. OK, good, that's what I'm curently doing. It seems to be good since now. |
| 08:49.11 | jomofcw | Yup i'm reading ^^. |
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| 08:50.39 | strk | MY123_SurfaceRT: as you know a BIOS update requires either installing windows or the risk of bricking the machine -- the seller finally accepted to take the machine back, once I complained with amazon, but he'll want to check that I didn't change anything and insist in having original box and plastic and every detail possible to finally refuse to give my money back, so I don't trust him |
| 08:51.15 | strk | MY123_SurfaceRT: if this is really a regression, it might be simple to fix ? |
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| 08:51.53 | MY123_SurfaceRT | strk: there is many changes so a simple backport is guaranteed to screw up the krnl |
| 08:52.01 | MY123_SurfaceRT | so just return the machine |
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| 08:53.13 | zuhaitz | hi, do you know if there is an official telegram support channel? |
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| 08:54.35 | jelly | zuhaitz: if there was one on freenode, you'd be able to see in the channel list: /msg alis list *telegram* |
| 08:55.28 | zuhaitz | thanks |
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| 08:59.58 | Adelxoxo | Thanks Iridos |
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| 09:01.47 | Adelxoxo | and LordMux |
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| 09:05.16 | strk | MY123_SurfaceRT: btw, the guy who told me it's a 3.2+ regression also told me that the FreeDOS attempt would have failed (I guess he tried it as he mentions he sold those machines too) - ref (italian): http://www.tomshw.it/forum/linux-e-altri-sistemi-operativi/534783-lenovo-b50-30-shutdown-freeze.html#post5075465 |
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| 09:07.09 | strk | uhm, but I have to verify still, as people are telling me trisquel comes with a 3.13... |
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| 09:10.31 | MY123_SurfaceRT | strk: ok |
| 09:10.57 | MY123_SurfaceRT | strk: sucky PCs, what will you buy now? |
| 09:11.14 | MY123_SurfaceRT | (avoid Lenovo, Acer and HP like the plague) |
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| 09:13.54 | jomofcw | OK, I've got a problem :x. All things seems to be great, but When I do a dist-upgrade it end like this : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bc45caaf4dcc0ea4212d ; and when I reboot, it seems that I still be in squeeze : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/368f3cec27150aea2623 |
| 09:14.03 | jomofcw | Any idea about how to fix it, please ? |
| 09:14.31 | jomofcw | (sorry, it's in french :x) |
| 09:14.39 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 09:14.39 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 09:14.50 | jelly | !bat |
| 09:14.50 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:14.55 | strk | MY123_SurfaceRT: the "libreboot x200" is also a lenovo, I'm afraid -- http://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/ |
| 09:15.34 | jelly | jomofcw: ^^ follow the above and provide all the necessary info carefully. Are you in the process of doing a release upgrade from squeeze to wheezy or what? |
| 09:16.07 | jomofcw | jelly hello ! Yea I'm in the upgrade process. |
| 09:16.21 | jelly | ,v nfs-common |
| 09:16.23 | judd | Package: nfs-common on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.2.2-4squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 1:1.2.2-4squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.2.5-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.2.6-4; stretch: 1:1.2.8-9; sid: 1:1.2.8-9; jessie: 1:1.2.8-9 |
| 09:16.41 | MY123_SurfaceRT | strk: it's from IBM |
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| 09:16.49 | MY123_SurfaceRT | (before the buyout) |
| 09:16.51 | jomofcw | jelly, what's that ? |
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| 09:17.21 | strk | ah, that's what I was missing from the "ThinkPad" being "lenovo"! |
| 09:17.55 | jomofcw | full "apt dist-upgrade" output : http://paste.debian.net/318502/ |
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| 09:18.10 | strk | wow, I would have never thought Lenovo could be bigger than IBM ! ANd it's even old history ... 2005 ?! |
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| 09:18.17 | jelly | jomofcw: try to put everything in a single paste if possible |
| 09:18.41 | jelly | jomofcw: and please do the export LC_ALL=C thing |
| 09:19.01 | jomofcw | apt-cache policy output : http://paste.debian.net/318503/ |
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| 09:19.52 | jomofcw | all in one pastie so : http://paste.debian.net/318504/ |
| 09:20.19 | jomofcw | jelly "export LC_ALL=C thing" ? |
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| 09:21.04 | jomofcw | OK understand. I remake the pastie :D. |
| 09:21.12 | jelly | jomofcw: if you "export LC_ALL=C" that will force english messages for all further commands |
| 09:21.23 | jomofcw | it still be in french :/. |
| 09:21.36 | jomofcw | OK it's good |
| 09:21.40 | jomofcw | typo in the command :x |
| 09:22.11 | jomofcw | And so, finally : http://paste.debian.net/318505/ |
| 09:22.16 | jelly | jomofcw: it's very likely some of the commands you ran before this, possibly the initial "apt-get upgrade", did not finish properly. |
| 09:22.47 | jomofcw | OK, so do you want me to give you the full output of all the command ? (apt update, apt upgrade, apt dis-upgrade) ? |
| 09:22.48 | jelly | jomofcw: also the output of "apt-cache policy initscripts nfs-common" |
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| 09:23.06 | jelly | (2. ".... relevant packages") |
| 09:23.07 | jomofcw | OK, I group all those in one pastie, please wait, loading ^^ |
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| 09:25.02 | jomofcw | Done ! http://paste.debian.net/318506/ |
| 09:25.25 | jomofcw | [by the way, thanks for your help and your time jelly ^^] |
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| 09:30.13 | strk | what kernel is shipped with Debian 8.0 ? |
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| 09:31.56 | jelly | jomofcw: seems sane. check for held packages as the output suggests |
| 09:32.00 | jelly | !held |
| 09:32.00 | dpkg | Packages currently on <hold> can be listed with «dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$'» (on hold for apt-get), or «aptitude search ~ahold» (on hold for aptitude). See also <unhold>. |
| 09:32.27 | themill | strk: /msg judd kernels --release jessie |
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| 09:34.23 | strk | themill: judd does not know about version numbers ? it always returns "jessie" even if I ask for 7.3.0 |
| 09:34.33 | themill | it does not |
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| 09:34.49 | strk | how do I find out name of a numbered version ? can judd help there ? |
| 09:35.07 | themill | there's no sense in looking for that information |
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| 09:35.24 | strk | well, I know I tried Debian 8.2.0 and Debian 7.3.0 so I'd like to know what kernel they shipped :) |
| 09:35.33 | strk | I've no idea about the name those versions had |
| 09:35.35 | themill | so that's jessie and wheezy |
| 09:35.44 | strk | hates named releases |
| 09:36.22 | x86_64 | hey |
| 09:36.42 | x86_64 | why does 'hexdump' display as the reverse endian comparing to hexedit? |
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| 09:40.50 | jelly | x86_64: RTFM and read about -C |
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| 09:42.16 | jomofcw | jelly : "dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$'" output nothing. |
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| 09:46.19 | dummys | hello folks |
| 09:46.36 | dummys | i'm struggling with a segfault in network-monitor, trying to import an open vpn config |
| 09:46.44 | dummys | i saw this bug here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726935 |
| 09:46.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/726935 in network-manager-gnome (closed, patch, confirmed): «network-manager-gnome: nm-connection-editor segfaults when importing .ovpn config»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-10-20; last modified: 2015-10-24. |
| 09:46.55 | dummys | bug how can I use this version ? |
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| 09:47.18 | dummys | I'm on a fresh debian 8.1 |
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| 09:47.23 | dummys | and the patch is not integrated ? |
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| 09:50.38 | gabboman | Hi, I'm the yesterday's guy, the one with the computer freezing |
| 09:50.49 | gabboman | It's from the kernel, I couldn't ssh to my machine |
| 09:51.30 | gabboman | In fact, I nmaped all my network and I have the ssh server on. Details: Intel celeron with intel HD, I think skylane. debian testing |
| 09:52.10 | gabboman | I think is thing of the kernel. What is the easiest way of getting a vanilla kernel? |
| 09:52.36 | nevyn | skylake? |
| 09:53.13 | gabboman | I'll check the name of the arch |
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| 09:53.37 | nevyn | what chipset? |
| 09:53.42 | nevyn | it's probably more important |
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| 09:53.56 | gabboman | N28XX |
| 09:54.13 | gabboman | I'm on eduroam, wifi can fail any moment |
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| 09:54.51 | nevyn | n28xx? |
| 09:54.58 | nevyn | ugh nvidia. |
| 09:55.06 | sh00p | gabboman, easiest way of getting a vanilla kernel is by downloading it from kernel.org |
| 09:55.19 | gabboman | no, no nvidia. Intel |
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| 09:55.37 | nevyn | oh it' atom? |
| 09:55.41 | nevyn | it's not a celeron. |
| 09:55.42 | gabboman | sh00p yes, will have to compile it. But I mean a repo with vanilla kernels. If it's necessary I'll make one |
| 09:55.44 | gabboman | faq |
| 09:56.04 | jelly | gabboman: what do you need a vanilla kernel for, btw? |
| 09:56.08 | dummys | anyone can help me then ? |
| 09:56.15 | dummys | I'm really struggle with this ... |
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| 09:56.34 | dummys | is it safe to install this one ? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/network-manager ? |
| 09:57.03 | nevyn | dummys: it's possibly not made it's way back into stable |
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| 09:57.20 | dummys | yup but why it's not in stable ? |
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| 09:57.31 | dummys | this sucks :( |
| 09:57.31 | nevyn | because it's not a security fix? |
| 09:57.38 | dummys | it's a segfault |
| 09:57.55 | dummys | and a major feature not available |
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| 09:58.44 | dummys | so nevyn what's my possibility on this ? |
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| 09:59.17 | jelly | dummys: the maintainer did not think it was important enough to get the fix into stable, unfortunately. You can ask in the same bug to get it into stable, or you can try to rebuild the version in jessie and include the patch in your local build |
| 09:59.21 | jelly | !package rebuils |
| 09:59.22 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 09:59.25 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 09:59.26 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 10:00.15 | dummys | jelly: many people complain in the bug report to have it in stable |
| 10:00.23 | dummys | I think it will change nothing if I complain too |
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| 10:01.52 | jomofcw | jelly ... :D. |
| 10:02.01 | jomofcw | I still stuck in dat problem :/... |
| 10:02.23 | jelly | babilen: do you have an idea about how to coerce the maintainer to push a fix for #726935 into s-p-o? |
| 10:02.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/726935 in network-manager-gnome (closed, patch, confirmed): «network-manager-gnome: nm-connection-editor segfaults when importing .ovpn config»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-10-20; last modified: 2015-10-24. |
| 10:02.52 | jomofcw | Is there a way to ... re-install this nfs-common ? Or dunno... force it to update ? |
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| 10:03.20 | jelly | jomofcw: huh. try to "aptitude install nfs-common initscripts" |
| 10:03.32 | nevyn | /win 5 |
| 10:03.43 | babilen | jelly: Let me look into that bug, one second |
| 10:03.49 | jelly | jomofcw: it will complain, probably... if it does, _do not_ exit it, just pastebin the output |
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| 10:04.30 | intothemountains | How it comes that debian live stable runs on 3.16 but kernel modules are for 3.2?? |
| 10:05.11 | babilen | jelly: Hmm, I guess "ask nicely" would be the only way. |
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| 10:05.59 | jelly | babilen: yeah... that's I just told dummys above and he's not convinced :-) |
| 10:06.10 | Gr1 | Hi all |
| 10:06.21 | Gr1 | I can see that in debian, I can use journalctl to see logs generated by a daemon, or logs generated by a special device like usb. How can I enable this for a daemon like apache2? |
| 10:06.29 | jomofcw | jelly it's processing. |
| 10:06.33 | Gr1 | or a custom daemon? |
| 10:06.48 | dummys | yup jelly :( |
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| 10:06.56 | dummys | will try to do your advice for the recompiling |
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| 10:07.08 | Gr1 | Any relevant docs that I could possibly refer? |
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| 10:07.14 | babilen | jelly, dummys: mbiebl is typically quite nice and I don't see why that patch couldn't make it into the package in jessie. A backport of that NM version would be another option |
| 10:07.25 | jomofcw | jelly it's doing many MANY things :x... |
| 10:07.30 | babilen | dummys: (I'm the one who reopned that bug) |
| 10:07.49 | dummys | oh ok babilen |
| 10:07.52 | dummys | :D |
| 10:07.57 | dummys | I will try this pesky recompiling stuff |
| 10:08.07 | dummys | because I really need this feature for a computer I builded |
| 10:08.16 | dummys | and really need it as gui forms :( |
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| 10:08.32 | jomofcw | jelly : here is the final output > http://paste.debian.net/318512/ ; shall I try to perform dist-upgrade again ? |
| 10:08.36 | babilen | dummys: But please send a mail to 726935@bugs.debian.org in which you ask for the package in jessie to be patched also |
| 10:08.47 | dummys | ok I do it know |
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| 10:09.53 | jelly | jomofcw: oh, aptitude figured it out, nice. Yeah, do the apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 10:10.20 | dummys | babilen: did you solve it with the deb-src technics or not ? |
| 10:10.35 | jomofcw | jelly : it seems to work ! Thanks :D. Waiting it to finish processing. |
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| 10:11.51 | babilen | dummys: I'm tracking unstable so I just use the new version |
| 10:12.12 | dummys | and you have no dep problem ? |
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| 10:12.41 | dummys | I'm afraid that if I use the unstable one I will get dep problem and so on |
| 10:13.13 | babilen | dummys: All the time ;) (part of the fun of tracking a testing/unstable mix) -- Please note that I am *not* advocating pulling in the unstable package into jessie nor to "upgrade" to testing or unstable. |
| 10:13.26 | babilen | I'm just explaining why I didn't have to backport the package |
| 10:13.49 | dummys | yes |
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| 10:17.52 | dummys | !package debian/rules |
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| 10:18.13 | dummys | !debian rules |
| 10:18.13 | dpkg | dummys, werd up |
| 10:18.23 | dummys | !package rules |
| 10:18.25 | dummys | !help |
| 10:19.18 | dummys | babilen: can you explain now how I apply the patch to the actual network-manager please ? |
| 10:25.03 | mawe | I tried to install xen on a new machine but after the first reboot I get "EXt4-fs md3 VFS cant find ext4 filesystem", and I cant login with ssh anymore, any ideas? |
| 10:25.34 | mawe | md3 is an lvm volume |
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| 10:29.19 | jomofcw | jelly : upgrade to wheezy OK ! Thanks :D. Now, upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie. |
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| 10:36.52 | dummys | jelly: |
| 10:37.04 | dummys | erf the patch is not working with stable version of jessie |
| 10:37.14 | dummys | I applied all your stuff, then update the series |
| 10:37.20 | dummys | and fail |
| 10:37.25 | dummys | http://pastebin.com/VdSjRC2Y |
| 10:37.30 | dummys | did you have an idea ? |
| 10:37.45 | dummys | babilen: your patch is not working with stable version of jessie ? |
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| 10:47.11 | babilen | dummys: There is another issue with adding .ovpn files .. check the BTS (sorry, rather busy right now) |
| 10:47.22 | babilen | The patch fixes one, but not both |
| 10:47.26 | dummys | hmm |
| 10:47.30 | dummys | the patch is already in .. |
| 10:47.39 | dummys | .https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/network-manager-applet/+changelog |
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| 10:47.41 | dummys | it's written here |
| 10:47.50 | dummys | that's why I can't integrate it |
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| 10:48.25 | dummys | babilen: what is BTS ? |
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| 10:56.04 | NHunter | hi all |
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| 10:57.57 | petn-randall | dummys: bug tracking system |
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| 10:58.14 | dummys | ok didn't find anything about open vpn inside... |
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| 11:21.33 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 11:33.21 | matu | Hi |
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| 11:33.31 | matu | what is the easier way to install ffmpeg on debian 8 ? |
| 11:33.39 | matu | easiest |
| 11:34.48 | themill | matu: what are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 11:35.09 | ewew | matu No. The packages was removed from jessie. But according packages.debian.org there are backports. |
| 11:35.17 | ewew | dpkg ffmpeg |
| 11:35.17 | dpkg | FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video, available in jessie-backports, stretch and sid. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <libav>. |
| 11:36.56 | matu | themill, i would like to convert a mp4 download video into wav |
| 11:37.18 | themill | avconv from libav-tools can do that without any further dancing around |
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| 11:37.44 | matu | ok |
| 11:38.00 | matu | let's go |
| 11:38.02 | matu | thank you |
| 11:38.09 | themill | (or use ffmpeg from jessie-backports -- it would work just as well) |
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| 11:52.35 | valera | hello, is there anyone using openmanage tools for debian server on jessie ? |
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| 11:55.28 | Gerowen | Anybody know why workspaces on Gnome 3 would be broken for me in Jessie? They show up in Gnome 3, but all windows appear in all workspaces at all times and I can't move them to new ones. I've tried deleting my gnome settings, even creating a whole new user account to see if it was just my user account, and it affects brand new user accounts as well. |
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| 11:56.30 | Gerowen | Video of the behavior here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6017319/workspaces.ogv |
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| 12:15.03 | sigdk | can someone explain me these fields: http://paste.debian.net/318518/ ? |
| 12:15.10 | sigdk | what does $remote_fs and 'S' stand for ? |
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| 12:33.20 | user1` | Hi. The version of virtualbox for jessie (as seen here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/virtualbox ) is 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1 but on my jessie box the version available is 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u3 |
| 12:33.34 | user1` | here is the two line my source.list contain : |
| 12:33.41 | user1` | deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main |
| 12:33.48 | user1` | deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free #CH |
| 12:34.06 | user1` | why it it so ? |
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| 12:34.57 | pksadiq | ,v virtualbox |
| 12:34.58 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.40-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.40-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u3; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1; |
| 12:35.00 | judd | jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.4-dfsg-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 5.0.8-dfsg-1; stretch/contrib: 5.0.8-dfsg-1 |
| 12:35.00 | ewew | user1` You have missing contrib in the first line. |
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| 12:36.32 | user1` | my first line should be this instead : deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates contrib main |
| 12:36.34 | user1` | ? |
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| 12:37.29 | ewew | user1` yes and then run apt-get update |
| 12:38.12 | jelly | user1`: you do not need that " [arch=amd64,i386]" thing |
| 12:38.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell user1` about jessie sources.list |
| 12:40.16 | user1` | ewew: thanks, the newer version is downloading now |
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| 12:49.28 | Gerowen | Anybody know what the deal is with python-tk's bug in Debian Jessie where fileopenbox causes it to crash? Any time you use python-tk or a front-end of it (such as easygui) to create a file/folder selection, when you actually select a file/folder and click OK python crashes. |
| 12:50.30 | lroe | Can anyone help me figure out why my desktop running jessie is unstable? The system crashes on me, they seem to line up with these log lines: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f796a276/ |
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| 12:50.53 | lroe | So something is causing a segfault, but I it is a different program each time |
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| 12:57.08 | themill | lroe: can you pastebin a very short reproduce script? a minimal example would help |
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| 13:02.38 | waka | a bit of a dumb question, what's the name of the docking app which is appearing on the right hand of my gnome session. |
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| 13:03.26 | waka | my brother installed it but I actually have no idea what it is and it seems broken as I can't click on what appears to be a config icon at the top of it |
| 13:03.51 | neverlucid | nobody here has the gift of telepathic sight sadly :p |
| 13:04.07 | waka | will post a picture now thanks |
| 13:04.18 | themill | spend enough time in #d and you start to develop it... |
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| 13:04.38 | algun | Hi hello, so what's the name of the packet feturing Objective-C 2's blocks feature? |
| 13:04.47 | lroe | themill, I can't reproduce it, it happens randomly as I use my desktop |
| 13:05.08 | themill | lroe: :( |
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| 13:06.19 | neverlucid | lroe: bad ram maybe? |
| 13:06.36 | waka | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2015-10-29_00-04-22-343aPcG3.png |
| 13:07.34 | waka | neverlucid: any idea |
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| 13:08.16 | neverlucid | yea, that thing seems familiar but i cannot for the life of me recall what i used |
| 13:08.37 | neverlucid | have you tried just looking at processes run by your user account? |
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| 13:09.23 | waka | let me investigate will check back soon thanks |
| 13:09.30 | neverlucid | good luck |
| 13:09.59 | Bullwinkle | Can someone set me up and an nonaffiliated cloak? |
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| 13:10.41 | jelly | Bullwinkle: ask in #freenode channel about that |
| 13:11.05 | Bullwinkle | Jelly: thank you |
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| 13:11.37 | jomofcw | I've got the following erreor : http://paste.debian.net/318537/ how can I re-install those packets ? |
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| 13:11.58 | neverlucid | waka: maybe 'cairodock' ? all I can think of right now |
| 13:12.36 | blind | waka: that looks like the gnome3 dock ...plugin? extension? some word |
| 13:12.49 | algun | What package do I need for ObjC 2 blocks? It's not the one named libobjc2 apparently. |
| 13:13.07 | jomofcw | Find my answer just after the question :x I use "apt-get install --reinstall x" |
| 13:13.16 | jelly | jomofcw: those seem to all be obsolete and replaced with newer versions. To get rid of the audit warning, just purge them. |
| 13:13.23 | waka | dammit it's wbar neverlucid |
| 13:13.35 | waka | killed and annihilated it |
| 13:13.54 | neverlucid | good job :D |
| 13:14.12 | jelly | jomofcw: "transitional" and "obsolete" in the description is your clue |
| 13:14.17 | jomofcw | jelly : how to purge ? In fact my reinstall thing just fix it for git core :/. |
| 13:14.28 | neverlucid | apt-get purge |
| 13:14.33 | jomofcw | OK |
| 13:14.43 | waka | did the purging yah |
| 13:14.48 | jelly | jomofcw: dpkg -P packagename1 packagename2 ... will be enough in this case |
| 13:14.55 | neverlucid | TIL |
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| 13:15.25 | lroe | I'll run through the memtest when I reboot |
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| 13:16.37 | neverlucid | jomofcw: jelly's option seems better, dpkg -P does not remove dependencies and apt-get purge does |
| 13:16.49 | neverlucid | which i did not know before |
| 13:16.49 | jomofcw | thanks jelly and neverlucid =). |
| 13:17.02 | jelly | dpkg is stupid |
| 13:17.02 | dpkg | kicks jelly's balls |
| 13:17.04 | waka | neverlucid, I did a dist-upgrade last week and haven't had a single minute to stop since and for some reason the good old Synaptic is broken for some reason so I just kept postponing fixing that bar |
| 13:17.29 | neverlucid | XD |
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| 13:20.20 | kodapa | anyone else noticing memory leaks with latest chromium in stable? |
| 13:20.22 | waka | neverlucid, I've got i issue I will definitely need some ideas on but will first give it a go, my usb wifi adapter speed has dropped to ~0.7mbps from around 10 since the upgrade |
| 13:20.40 | kodapa | getting 8 GB+ RAM usage with only two tabs :P |
| 13:20.46 | dionysus69 | can anyone guide me through how full system backup works? |
| 13:20.58 | neverlucid | kodapa: sure it's not cached? |
| 13:21.17 | kodapa | neverlucid: yes |
| 13:21.27 | neverlucid | O.o |
| 13:22.06 | kodapa | same tabs I've always been using, grafana, is now causing huge memory usage since the latest security update |
| 13:22.13 | kodapa | no changes whatsoever on the web sites in the tabs |
| 13:22.25 | kodapa | i know this because it's only grafana :P |
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| 13:24.34 | algun | Alright, so let me try this: How do I find which package(s) contain a file with a given name? |
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| 13:26.20 | neverlucid | kodapa: chrome has been known for being a memory hog but 8+GB? |
| 13:26.29 | algun | jelly: you must know this |
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| 13:27.44 | unascribed | algun: dpkg -S |
| 13:27.50 | unascribed | or dpkg-query as it may be |
| 13:27.58 | markybob | algun, apt-file search filename |
| 13:28.01 | unascribed | or that |
| 13:28.02 | algun | :/ |
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| 13:29.31 | algun | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.19 | algun | unascribed: thanks |
| 13:30.37 | unascribed | welcome, but markybob's command is better :P |
| 13:30.50 | algun | why? |
| 13:30.59 | unascribed | it does a keyword search rather than finding an exact filename |
| 13:31.09 | unascribed | I guess if you already know the filename, dpkg-query -S is better since it's faster |
| 13:31.17 | jelly | algun: well if I must, I must! |
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| 13:31.22 | unascribed | but the apt-file one should work in more cases |
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| 13:31.49 | algun | jelly: and you better remember, because i sure am going to forget this in like a week |
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| 13:32.06 | algun | maybe not, since it sounds like dpkg -S |
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| 13:32.26 | algun | unascribed: dpkg-query -S also takes a pattern, i don't see the problemo |
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| 13:32.35 | unascribed | oh, okay |
| 13:33.06 | algun | shell wildcards though, not regex |
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| 13:33.18 | unascribed | yeah, just noticed :P |
| 13:33.23 | unascribed | tried to use regex and it found nothing |
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| 13:34.28 | algun | So thanks markybob for your suggestion too. Not sure I'll need it but who knows. |
| 13:34.40 | algun | can't find blocks_runtime.h though :( |
| 13:34.59 | markybob | algun, unascribed it's pretty simple. apt-file search shows you where it is in packages that are not currently installed as well, so you know what to download |
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| 13:35.14 | markybob | so you're missing libfoo.1.so |
| 13:35.19 | kodapa | neverlucid: yeah, it got to a point where it almost took down the system |
| 13:35.24 | algun | wait, dpkg-query -S isn't just for installed packages, right? |
| 13:35.26 | unascribed | that would've been helpful about 2 days ago... |
| 13:35.29 | kodapa | neverlucid: so would probably have eaten more RAM if I've let it continue :P |
| 13:35.30 | unascribed | :P |
| 13:35.33 | markybob | algun, just installed |
| 13:35.34 | neverlucid | jesus |
| 13:35.37 | algun | geez |
| 13:35.43 | neverlucid | that would be enough reason for me to purge chrome from my system |
| 13:36.08 | algun | hangs head and installs apt-file |
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| 13:37.07 | kodapa | neverlucid: although, grafana could be very heavy, that's why I'm running it in chrome in the first place, since Fx would lag on all tabs (due to tabs not being in own threads) |
| 13:37.24 | algun | on the plus side dpkg -S not yielding anything means i'm indeed missing the .h, it's not just misplaced |
| 13:37.25 | kodapa | neverlucid: but never had this problem with RAM usage before... just CPU :P |
| 13:37.32 | algun | and also, there may be packages with it still |
| 13:37.40 | algun | does apt-file update |
| 13:37.50 | neverlucid | kodapa: would the openchrome version be any better you think? |
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| 13:38.22 | algun | 30megs for the complete db, i thought it was going to be much worse |
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| 13:38.34 | kodapa | neverlucid: hmm, openchrome what? :D |
| 13:38.58 | kodapa | neverlucid: you mean googles version of chrome? not an option :P |
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| 13:39.55 | kodapa | neverlucid: oh well, workaround: restart the browser every hour or so :D |
| 13:40.20 | Narberth | hope your best effort on supporting php 5.4 is a really good effort guys |
| 13:40.41 | Narberth | eol on wheezy is late next year |
| 13:41.05 | abrotman | Narberth: contributions welcome ... |
| 13:41.10 | Narberth | :) |
| 13:41.19 | Narberth | you guys are NASA |
| 13:42.04 | Narberth | my server provider has removed the 32bit iso for deb7 as well so I cant test upgrading live sites |
| 13:42.33 | algun | pee age pee |
| 13:42.40 | Narberth | buntu, centos and fedora are there not deb, you have not been upsetting people ahave you :) |
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| 13:43.10 | algun | buntu? |
| 13:43.15 | Narberth | ubuntu |
| 13:43.18 | algun | ubuntu? |
| 13:43.21 | dionysus69 | please can anyone guide me through how full system backup and recovery works in linux? |
| 13:43.31 | Narberth | sry, kind of crytic here at times |
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| 13:44.11 | algun | dionysus69: #reboot, #dd if=/dev/sda of=deesk_bahkoop |
| 13:44.37 | algun | insert bootable usb stick in between commands |
| 13:44.39 | dionysus69 | algun: and it outputs what? a folder of folders? |
| 13:44.51 | dionysus69 | or an iso file or what |
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| 13:45.08 | algun | deesk_eehmeeg, sorry i wasn't very specific |
| 13:45.14 | Narberth | dionysus69, Virtualmin has one of the best backup and restore fuctions you will ever need |
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| 13:45.40 | dionysus69 | ok will look into it |
| 13:45.40 | Narberth | and no I dont work for virtualmin |
| 13:45.47 | dionysus69 | please stick around I will have questions :D |
| 13:45.58 | algun | dionysus69: it outputs bits that you can later put back in by doing dd if=deesk_bahkoop of=/dev/sda |
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| 13:46.13 | Gerowen | dionysus69: I personally just use Clonezilla to take full disk backups. For "home folder" or personal file backups, I use deja-dup. To each their own I guess. I like those options because they make their respective jobs pretty straight forward and easy. |
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| 13:46.37 | algun | dionysus69: bootable stick meaning one with *nix on it |
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| 13:47.20 | Gerowen | dionysus69: algun's method is pretty fool proof as well, kinda hard to screw it up, :P Just make sure you have enough free space on a separate device to store the file, :-) |
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| 13:47.49 | dionysus69 | Gerowen: ok so far I like your solution the best ok now I have a question, lets say I backup full /. and my system crashes, how do I recover? I just format whole partition and copy that bakcked up tree back to the empty partition and it will boot just like that? |
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| 13:48.51 | Narberth | dionysus69, where you backing up to? |
| 13:49.04 | algun | i cannot find blocks_runtime.h :( |
| 13:49.07 | dionysus69 | i prefer methods that involve simple operations, for right now I dont know what exactly dd does. I am backup up to lets say external hard drive |
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| 13:49.33 | Narberth | always backup to off site ssh server |
| 13:49.44 | dionysus69 | why whats the point? |
| 13:49.51 | dionysus69 | I just want to create a personal pc backup |
| 13:50.00 | Narberth | motherboard goes and the server is gone |
| 13:50.03 | algun | dionysus69: if is "input file" of is "output file". It literally copies bits. It can do that because *nices can treat devices as files. |
| 13:50.04 | Narberth | pc |
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| 13:50.13 | Narberth | expect corrupted files |
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| 13:50.29 | algun | dionysus69: well, not literally bits, but literally bytes, or at least words i guess. |
| 13:51.01 | dionysus69 | algun: thanks for explaining :) |
| 13:51.32 | dionysus69 | Narberth: what the motherboard has to do with external hard drive? meaning I cannot recover on a different motherboard? |
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| 13:52.52 | Narberth | dionysus69, if the mb goes and not a disk etc and if you dont have the support the move disks etc your up a creek without a paddle, happened to me the other day |
| 13:53.00 | dionysus69 | if thats the only problem that is ok, I do data backup seperately anyway, I need full system backup only in case system breaks and if my motherboard breaks i can deal with setting up environment again on a new computer because my life changes in case motherboard failure anyways |
| 13:53.06 | Narberth | and a new IP to boot |
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| 13:54.05 | algun | dionysus69: np. That's probably what you want if you're afraid of disk failure. Some other tools are better for other use cases. Eg. if you're thinking of migrating stuff from one disk to another, you may probably want a configuration tool. |
| 13:54.14 | markybob | algun, i only see that in and old version of libgnustep-base-dev in oldstable. not since |
| 13:54.22 | algun | markybob: yeah, but what's up with that? |
| 13:54.36 | dionysus69 | ok so I will explain the process and make comments on what I am missing or what I could do differently. Lets say I used rsync to backup / on an external hard drive |
| 13:54.42 | markybob | algun, i don't know. ask whatever developer wrote whatever it is you're trying to compile to update his shit :P |
| 13:54.43 | dionysus69 | then I corrupt system being bootable |
| 13:55.03 | algun | markybob: but i don't know if that's the problem |
| 13:55.04 | dionysus69 | then for recovery I would go boot up live usb and copy backuped up / back to formated partition |
| 13:55.13 | dionysus69 | will that make system recover or it wont boot like that |
| 13:55.26 | algun | because packages just get dropped, but the reason is hidden somewhere in mailing lists - presumably |
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| 13:55.44 | algun | markybob: ^ |
| 13:55.46 | markybob | algun, the package is still around. just the newer version doesn't have that file |
| 13:55.55 | algun | oh? |
| 13:55.59 | Narberth | dionysus69, do you just run a webserver or is more complicated |
| 13:56.02 | markybob | algun, yep |
| 13:56.09 | algun | well that's a bug then |
| 13:56.17 | markybob | algun, on his end most likely. not debian |
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| 13:56.59 | p8m | dionysus69: That should work. You might have to rerun grub to install the magic boot parts. |
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| 13:57.27 | algun | markybob: how do you figure? maintainers are "Debian GNUstep maintainers" |
| 13:57.33 | p8m | dionysus69: You should definitely attempt this recovery before you need it though |
| 13:58.08 | markybob | algun, upstream version doesn't have the file anymore. debian packages what upstream does. whatever you're compiling isn't following upstream anymore |
| 13:58.22 | markybob | algun, he needs to update his code |
| 13:58.32 | dionysus69 | Narberth: ye I need this for my PC but I would use this method if it works on my webserver too |
| 13:58.47 | algun | markybob: ok, i believe you, but where did you find this above torrent? |
| 13:59.00 | markybob | torrent? |
| 13:59.04 | algun | trickle? |
| 13:59.07 | dionysus69 | p8m: hmm ok then linux is cooler than I thought because I would imagine windows would fail if I just copy paste system files |
| 13:59.26 | markybob | algun, google. that's why it took me a while to respond. |
| 13:59.32 | algun | markybob: thanks mate |
| 13:59.39 | dionysus69 | also I am using EFI which means I might not even have to redo grub resetup |
| 13:59.57 | Narberth | dionysus69, if its just a webserver you run I would recommend looking at virtualmin for a cp and get another cheap dedie for 5 euro or whatever as a backup server, after that restoring is easy |
| 14:00.12 | algun | it's disconcerning that the mainteners just chuck the thing in an archive though |
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| 14:00.26 | dionysus69 | Narberth: what is dedie? |
| 14:00.31 | Narberth | ah |
| 14:00.37 | Narberth | dedicated server |
| 14:00.48 | dionysus69 | how can anything like that cost 5 euros? |
| 14:00.55 | Narberth | search |
| 14:01.16 | unascribed | you almost certainly mean a VPS |
| 14:01.17 | algun | then again, the alternative is having packagers write tests... hmm |
| 14:01.20 | Narberth | nah |
| 14:01.25 | Narberth | dedicated |
| 14:01.45 | Narberth | low spec but great for a 500gb backup server |
| 14:01.53 | dionysus69 | Narberth: only hard drive costs at least over 50 euros and how can dedicated server cost only 5 euros? |
| 14:02.01 | Narberth | online.net |
| 14:02.07 | Narberth | see and believe |
| 14:02.08 | dionysus69 | hmm ok I will take a look |
| 14:02.18 | algun | Now I see why the safe "stable" packages are old. |
| 14:02.38 | unascribed | yeah these aren't dedicated. |
| 14:02.42 | dionysus69 | oh haha you mean 5 euros per month? |
| 14:02.55 | unascribed | you can tell by the features, "Dedibox" is just a brand name for their VPSes |
| 14:03.00 | Narberth | yes they are deicated and 5.99 plus vat |
| 14:03.08 | Narberth | dedicated |
| 14:03.11 | Narberth | full root |
| 14:03.15 | dionysus69 | if I wanted to use a cloud service then I could just upload my tree on s3 amazon cloud for even cheaper |
| 14:03.29 | unascribed | VPSes can have root. |
| 14:03.41 | Narberth | unascribed, trust me they are dedicated |
| 14:03.55 | unascribed | fine, I'll say I do so I don't have to argue with you about this |
| 14:04.06 | Narberth | louset processor on the entry tho |
| 14:04.10 | Narberth | lousey |
| 14:04.11 | dionysus69 | no big deal ye they can be dedicated raspberry pie servers |
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| 14:04.32 | Narberth | its a dell server if you read |
| 14:04.39 | dionysus69 | haha ok my bad |
| 14:04.43 | Narberth | :) |
| 14:04.55 | Narberth | good for the price, I have loads |
| 14:05.03 | Narberth | and the bigger ones |
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| 14:09.18 | Narberth | yo harry |
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| 14:10.37 | HarryCross | yo Narberth |
| 14:10.55 | dionysus69 | what do you guys think of this ? http://duplicity.nongnu.org/ |
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| 14:12.23 | dionysus69 | what does it mean not to support hard links? Currently duplicity supports deleted files, full unix permissions, directories, and symbolic links, fifos, and device files, but not hard links. |
| 14:12.23 | Narberth | dionysus69, not using wordpress I see that has to be good |
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| 14:15.09 | neverlucid | dionysus69: soft links point to a path that is resolved each time you access the file through the softlink. if you move the file then the softlink will not automagically point to the new location of that file. |
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| 14:15.39 | neverlucid | a hardlink will always point to the same file, even if you change the name of the file |
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| 14:16.49 | neverlucid | i think it points to the inode? but i'm not sure how that works honestly |
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| 14:21.32 | karlpinc | Iceweasel suddenly won't start for me (on Jessie). Or rather, it starts, opens a window draws nothing in it and ceases to respond. |
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| 14:22.07 | karlpinc | If I close the window I eventually get the "not responding, kill this?" dialog. If I say yes, the window goes away but the process remains. |
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| 14:23.01 | karlpinc | Safe mode does not help. It opens a safe-mode dialog, which displays nothing and also does not respond. For that matter "iceweasel --version" prints the version but leaves a process hanging around that must be killed with 'kill'. |
| 14:23.10 | dionysus69 | neverlucid: so there is no downside to not supporting hardlinks right? for system backup |
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| 14:23.24 | dionysus69 | karlpinc: why dont u download firefox |
| 14:23.40 | karlpinc | Worked yesterday. Does not work today. I ran debsums and there's no problems with the files. |
| 14:23.56 | karlpinc | dionysus69: That's not the point. |
| 14:24.38 | neverlucid | dionysus69: well, from what I understand it's bound to a specific filesystem, so if that filesystem changes then your hardlink breaks. i'd imagine a hardlink isn't that important with duplicity. so, no I don't think you'd need to be worried about the lack of hardlink support |
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| 14:25.43 | karlpinc | dionysus69: The downside is that hard links go away. You use more disk, but more importantly if the system is relying on a change in the content of a file then the no-longer-hardlinked file won't change if the other no-longer-hardlinked file does. |
| 14:25.48 | neverlucid | karlpinc: nothing in syslog and the link? |
| 14:26.20 | neverlucid | -and the link (i derped) |
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| 14:27.10 | karlpinc | neverlucid: I'll tail the log while I try again and see. (what link?) |
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| 14:27.22 | neverlucid | i was reading about the hardlinks when i wrote |
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| 14:27.32 | neverlucid | so 'and the link' is me derping |
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| 14:28.50 | karlpinc | neverlucid: Nothing in /var/log/syslog. |
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| 14:29.51 | karlpinc | Often duplicity is solving a problem that people don't have, at least in my limited experience of those who've chosen to use it. |
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| 14:30.55 | karlpinc | Often rsnapshot or dirvish or some such would be better. |
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| 14:31.05 | neverlucid | karlpinc: using KDE? |
| 14:31.27 | karlpinc | neverlucid: xfce |
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| 14:31.47 | neverlucid | all I've found is some old bug that sounds like yours, their solution was to use a different theme |
| 14:32.06 | neverlucid | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/04/msg00331.html |
| 14:32.22 | dionysus69 | I dont know what format duplicity backs up in but how do I recover broken system with only live usb support and duplicity backup file on some other hard drive? |
| 14:32.34 | LordShadowWing | Nvidia-driver doesn't seem to like kernel 4.2-GNU |
| 14:32.40 | karlpinc | When run at the command line I get the output "GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed" but I think that is another bug and unrelated. (perhaps) |
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| 14:33.51 | karlpinc | dionysus69: Probably the same way you'd recover any other backup. Mount your filesystem(s) and run a restore. |
| 14:34.13 | neverlucid | karlpinc: that's been around since 2011, the glib error |
| 14:34.21 | karlpinc | neverlucid: What's so strange is that, well, it worked yesterday. |
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| 14:34.38 | karlpinc | neverlucid: Yah. |
| 14:34.43 | neverlucid | ah yes, the ever mysterious 'but it worked yesterday' conundrum |
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| 14:35.26 | karlpinc | neverlucid: If it matters I'm using an X server on a different box. |
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| 14:35.50 | rysiek|pl | can't find anywhere how complicated the logrotate wildcards can be |
| 14:35.55 | rysiek|pl | can I use something like: |
| 14:36.02 | rysiek|pl | /some/path/somewhere/*/*.log? |
| 14:36.20 | rysiek|pl | (the wildcard is without '?') |
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| 14:37.42 | rysiek|pl | huh, seems to work, I guess |
| 14:37.47 | neverlucid | rysiek|pl: not the answer you're looking for, but have you tried doing testruns? |
| 14:38.21 | rysiek|pl | yeah, just did, seems to work |
| 14:38.21 | rysiek|pl | but I hoped I could find some good documetation on this |
| 14:38.32 | rysiek|pl | it will have to do for the time being, I guess ;) |
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| 14:39.18 | dionysus69 | am I getting this correctly? the package duplicity wants is last updated in 2004? http://sourceforge.net/projects/librsync/files/ |
| 14:39.29 | towo` | LordShadowWing, nvidia-driver from experimental has no problem with linux 4.2 or 4.3-rc |
| 14:39.59 | karlpinc | rysiek|pl: The docs say it uses the glob library. (Probably the GNU glob library.) So there's probably detail there. |
| 14:40.19 | rysiek|pl | aah, I missed that. thanks! |
| 14:40.21 | neverlucid | rysiek|pl: man page just tells you you can do everything from * to /some/dir/* to *.log |
| 14:40.37 | LordShadowWing | towo`, i'll stick with stable |
| 14:40.49 | rysiek|pl | neverlucid: yes, but it wasn't clear it would handle /dir/*/*.log properly |
| 14:40.57 | neverlucid | fair nuff |
| 14:41.06 | towo` | LordShadowWing, is nvidia-driver in backports? |
| 14:41.06 | rysiek|pl | neverlucid, karlpinc: anywhoo, thanks, the "glob" thing is enough info for me :) |
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| 14:41.28 | is_null | hi all, i don't understand how to add a kernel boot parameter, i tried editing /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf but the new option doesn't appear after a reboot: http://dpaste.com/2BRKZZH |
| 14:41.35 | towo` | LordShadowWing, since backports provide linux 4.2, there could be a patched nvidia-driver even |
| 14:41.45 | LordShadowWing | possibly |
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| 14:42.08 | is_null | using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/current/debian-8.2.0-openstack-amd64.qcow2 btw |
| 14:42.12 | towo` | i don't use stable, so i haven't checket it |
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| 14:42.51 | Cerealkill3r | hey guys,quick question how to install code::blocks and dependencies on debian 8 stable? |
| 14:43.23 | towo` | Cerealkill3r, apt install codeblocks? |
| 14:43.26 | jelly | ,v codeblocks |
| 14:43.27 | judd | Package: codeblocks on amd64 -- wheezy: 10.05-2.1; jessie-backports: 13.12-3.1~bpo8+1; sid: 13.12+dfsg-4; stretch: 13.12+dfsg-4 |
| 14:43.50 | Cerealkill3r | "Package codeblocks is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 14:43.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell Cerealkill3r about jessie-backports |
| 14:44.01 | karlpinc | Humm. I updated openjdk this morning. I wonder if that broke iceweasel.... |
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| 14:44.18 | olivetree | Hi there |
| 14:44.45 | olivetree | I have a question |
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| 14:45.31 | olivetree | I use debian, but in order to put a tdt tv card to work, i have to compile the kernel to include dvb_frontend |
| 14:46.21 | olivetree | Until debian 7 including i used to use make-kpkg buildpackage, but now on debian 8 it doesn't generate all the packages, what could i do? |
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| 14:47.10 | towo` | olivetree, use make deb-pkg from inside the source |
| 14:47.26 | schutzwurst | hey guys having problems with lenny (can't update to newer for some reasons). after some time has passed, i'm getting input/output errors and applications do not work any more. already done smartctl (on device the disk is failing and when i'm checking it on another device the disk seems to be fine. does somebody have a clue, for what to check next |
| 14:47.26 | schutzwurst | ? |
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| 14:47.42 | olivetree | Does it creates the initrd automatically? |
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| 14:48.10 | towo` | olivetree, the initrd will be created after installing, not at building |
| 14:48.18 | olivetree | ok thanks :) |
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| 14:48.36 | olivetree | i'll try that now :) |
| 14:48.46 | towo` | olivetree, you will get 4 debs, image, headers, firmware und libc |
| 14:49.11 | towo` | olivetree, you only need imagge and headers, firmware only, if you want it |
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| 14:49.26 | towo` | olivetree, the libc package you should not install |
| 14:49.27 | olivetree | ok |
| 14:49.59 | olivetree | thanks a lot :) |
| 14:50.03 | syntaxx | Hi, if I have to setup ldap authentication and sudo-ldap and I have a shell user that it is in /etc/passwd does it use sudo-ldap as well or local sudoers file? |
| 14:51.09 | karlpinc | schutzwurst: Replace the power supply? |
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| 14:51.34 | Cerealkill3r | http://paste.debian.net/318554/ while trying to install codeblocks .deb from their website |
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| 14:52.20 | towo` | Cerealkill3r, unwilling to read? |
| 14:52.21 | babilen | Cerealkill3r: Why don't you install the packaged version? |
| 14:52.34 | babilen | (as you've been suggested to do earlier) |
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| 14:52.53 | babilen | Their packages are obviously problematic |
| 14:53.04 | schutzwurst | karlpinc: ok thanks testing it. what would you also recommend to check if it is not the power supply? |
| 14:53.11 | Cerealkill3r | Forgot to mention I'm a newbie and don't quite understand everything |
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| 14:53.50 | towo` | Cerealkill3r, that would be one mor raeson to to it right |
| 14:53.59 | babilen | Cerealkill3r: That's okay and not a problem. You should keep in mind that downloading a .deb file and installing it manually is typically a bad idea and might break your system. The suggestion earlier was to configure jessie-backports and install codeblocks from there. |
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| 14:54.29 | towo` | dpkg, tell Cerealkill3r about jessie-backports |
| 14:54.31 | babilen | That is done by editing your /etc/apt/sources.list and running "apt update" in the manner detailed in: |
| 14:54.42 | babilen | .. the private message the bot just sent you again |
| 14:55.02 | xello | guys my debian boot options looks like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98455184/4543tre.png |
| 14:55.16 | xello | what do i type and where do i type it to boot in command line mode |
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| 14:55.42 | karlpinc | schutzwurst: It never hurts to run memtest86+, overnight so as to allow things to get up to running temperature. |
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| 14:56.33 | schutzwurst | karlpinc: ok thanks! will also try doing that :) |
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| 14:57.11 | karlpinc | xello: There's some sort of rescue or safe mode or something option that you can select with the arrow keys. Then press enter. I forget the details. |
| 14:57.56 | Sigfrid | anyone knows how add timestamp to all menssages in the chat rooom? |
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| 14:58.05 | Sigfrid | I have XChat and I am using Debian. |
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| 14:58.14 | xello | hmm i dont want a safe mode or anything i want to set it so that, in redhat terms i want to boot as init 3 permanently |
| 14:58.27 | xello | right now debian boots to GUI |
| 15:00.22 | Iridos | Sigfrid, settings->appearance->time stamps? (or ->logging , depending what output you talk about) |
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| 15:02.12 | Sigfrid | Iridos, thanks you. |
| 15:02.51 | dionysus69 | which one should I use for debian? linux-oss, make linux-alsa, or make linux-jack |
| 15:03.06 | totte | Hey, I'm using Debian 8 "Jessie" with the package "kdepim" 4:4.14.1-1 installed. When I create a new account in Kontact/KMail for my Gmail account and then try to login I get the error "Password Incorrect" and a warning e-mail that links to this webpage: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255, has anyone else had this issue and found a solution? |
| 15:03.44 | abrotman | dionysus69: why are you compiling a kernel? |
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| 15:06.59 | dionysus69 | abrotman: I am compiling something called chuck, an audio programming language |
| 15:07.14 | dionysus69 | it gives me those three options so I dont know what is what |
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| 15:09.52 | venkat_330 | need some guidance : i am using an H61 ivy bridge I3 motherboard with debian 6(Yeah too old may be in future we will upgrade it) . Now i am trying to setup the integrated graphics which has DVI and VGA port. My xrandr does not detect the hardware.. I did try upgrading my XORG and kernel (3.2) from backports . Still not able to detect the hardware. |
| 15:09.57 | karlpinc | xello: Debian has gone to systemd, so I'm not really up on the right answer. You probably want "systemctl set-default multi-user.target". |
| 15:10.11 | venkat_330 | Need some inputs in fixing this |
| 15:10.40 | xello | thanks karlpinc ill try it |
| 15:10.48 | jelly | venkat_330: you'll need debian 8 for ivybridge intel gpu |
| 15:12.04 | venkat_330 | jelly: Is that the only way?? |
| 15:12.06 | jelly | versions in wheezy did not work well enough for our hw |
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| 15:12.25 | jelly | let alone squeeze |
| 15:13.01 | xello | hmm got "cant find systemctl" |
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| 15:13.48 | jelly | venkat_330: that's the way to get proper support. Did not investigate workarounds like "get X working at any cost even in 1024x768 VESA unaccelerated mode" |
| 15:14.05 | dionysus69 | If you are backing up the root directory /, remember to --exclude /proc, or else duplicity will probably crash on the weird stuff in there. isnt proc a dir that is required for functional OS ? |
| 15:14.12 | jelly | !nodm |
| 15:14.12 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 15:14.18 | jelly | xello: ^^ |
| 15:15.22 | xello | thanks man trying it now |
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| 15:16.36 | venkat_330 | jelly: My intentions are not clearlt on continous graphics rendering.. i am more interested in controlling 2 displays. |
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| 15:17.22 | venkat_330 | To make this happen i am searching for some pointers. |
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| 15:18.20 | jelly | venkat_330: that pretty much implies having drivers that properly support the gpu at least to the point it detects outputs and reads EDID info properly |
| 15:18.34 | venkat_330 | jelly: However, i would like to understand what are the GPU that debian 6 support. |
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| 15:18.59 | xello | thanks dpkg the echo command worked |
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| 15:21.11 | petn-randall | xello: dpkg is our helper bot. |
| 15:21.15 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 15:21.15 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 15:21.56 | xello | LOL |
| 15:21.59 | two-gun | hi guys anyone know a good tiling manager for gnome? i'm coming from osx and spectacle did the trick nicely |
| 15:22.02 | xello | just clicked |
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| 15:22.49 | xello | is it normal for ll to not be working? i guess i need non-redhat commands |
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| 15:25.39 | abrotman | dionysus69: context is important .. |
| 15:26.07 | dionysus69 | for a full system backup that would make a recovery on a clean filesystem possible, what dirs would be a good idea to exclude from this root listing? |
| 15:26.07 | dionysus69 | bin etc initrd.img.old lost+found opt run sys var |
| 15:26.07 | dionysus69 | boot home lib media proc sbin tmp vmlinuz |
| 15:26.07 | dionysus69 | dev initrd.img lib64 mnt root srv usr vmlinuz.old |
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| 15:27.36 | petn-randall | xello: You might want to comment it in in ~/.bashrc |
| 15:28.05 | xello | thanks |
| 15:28.22 | jelly | venkat_330: don't have an explicit answer. The list of supported pci-id devices is hardcoded into each driver; you can see their names for the chosen driver in /var/log/Xorg.0.log . |
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| 15:30.27 | venkat_330 | jelly: i want to basically use an i3 processor and dual display (VGA + DVI)...with this specification i am looking out for board to support debian 6 .is there a chance do you remember some family that support this spec supprot |
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| 15:31.17 | karlpinc | Iceweasel broke today. (see above) Is there any reason why I should not install firefox from mozilla.debian.net and see if it has the same problem? |
| 15:31.23 | jelly | venkat_330: what do you need debian 6 for? Is running a more recent release with a debian 6 chroot in it good enough? |
| 15:33.24 | jelly | sells venkat_330 an old i3-540 and H55 motherboard |
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| 15:33.54 | venkat_330 | jelly: does that support dual display |
| 15:34.00 | LordMux | what version of debian are you running karlpinc, cause mine is quite alright |
| 15:34.08 | karlpinc | LordMux: Jessie |
| 15:34.38 | jelly | venkat_330: I've run wheezy with vga and dvi->hdmi->tv outputs on that, yes |
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| 15:35.33 | venkat_330 | jelly: But i am looking for debian 6(squeeze) .I am force beacuse we have EMV licence binded for debian 6 |
| 15:36.00 | jelly | venkat_330: eh, run it in a VM |
| 15:37.04 | jelly | or run the software in a debian 6 chroot |
| 15:37.09 | LordMux | oh well, mine's sid, karlpinc |
| 15:37.12 | karlpinc | LordMux: You've gotten the latest openjdk from the security archive and stoped and started iceweasel? |
| 15:37.12 | jelly | (as suggested before) |
| 15:37.31 | venkat_330 | jelly: "or run the software in a debian 6 chroot ??" |
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| 15:37.48 | karlpinc | LordMux: Maybe there's a race condition. I'm using a slow X server. |
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| 15:38.26 | jelly | venkat_330: yes. install current debian 8, then use debootstrap to set up a squeeze (debian 6) chroot, and run your software inside that chroot |
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| 15:39.28 | jelly | !debootstrap |
| 15:39.28 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 15:40.56 | venkat_330 | jelly: Let me look at this ..thanks for this info though |
| 15:41.11 | venkat_330 | jelly: Can this be vice versa?? |
| 15:41.22 | venkat_330 | deb 6 and bootstrap with deb 8 |
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| 15:45.41 | jelly | venkat_330: in theory yes. In practice you need to boot the newer kernel and there's not much sense to do it that way |
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| 15:47.44 | jomofcw | Is there a way to get back to the default config of a package ? I mess up the vsftpd.conf and I would like to get back to the default one. |
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| 15:47.55 | jelly | !confnew |
| 15:47.57 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
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| 15:48.59 | jomofcw | perfect ! Again : thanks jelly ^^. |
| 15:49.31 | jomofcw | So jelly, I've to write : "dpkg --force-confnew vsftpd" , right ? |
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| 15:52.48 | venkat_330 | jelly: I am very much interested in bootstrap. However there are certain clarifications i would like to have on that. |
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| 15:53.01 | jomofcw | Hm I shall be wrong in the syntax... :/ |
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| 15:54.03 | jelly | venkat_330: sure, just ask |
| 15:54.46 | venkat_330 | We have EMV kernel which is licensed fro debian 6 till that expiration we wanted to maintain squeeze. However, if i bootstrap deian 6 under debian 8 how would i be sure that i do not violate the license |
| 15:54.51 | jomofcw | jelly : "dpkg --force-confnew vsftpd" return me a syntax error, so i'm wrong. How can i perform ? |
| 15:55.22 | blind | jomofcw: read the WHOLE tidbit dpkg said |
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| 15:55.27 | d[10]^ | Como renomear todos os arquivos de uma pasta ? Todos els começam com x, usei o split para dividir eles. Queria que todos ficassem com extensão .txt. |
| 15:55.46 | jelly | jomofcw: first, verify which package the affected config file really belongs to (dpkg -L /path/to/config/file). Then use the reinstall way dpkg mentioned. |
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| 15:56.29 | d[10]^ | how to rename all files xaa, xab, xac,xaN...to .txt files ? |
| 15:56.39 | venkat_330 | jelly: What would be the expected system performance.Basically we run a GTK applcaition,,,consumes max of 5 % of memory |
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| 15:57.08 | petn-randall | d[10]^: Do you want to add the extensions .txt to all of them? |
| 15:57.14 | jelly | d[10]^: prename -n 's/^/.txt/' x?? |
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| 15:57.26 | jelly | oops |
| 15:57.29 | jelly | d[10]^: prename -n 's/$/.txt/' x?? |
| 15:57.29 | d[10]^ | petn-randall yeah |
| 15:57.38 | josuebrunel | Hi guys, is it possible to list migrations ? If so, how ? thanks |
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| 15:57.58 | josharenson | Is there a way to get debuild to output the packages somewhere besides ../ ? |
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| 15:59.03 | d[10]^ | jelly xno renamed to xno.txt |
| 15:59.05 | d[10]^ | but in ls |
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| 15:59.10 | d[10]^ | no extension .txt |
| 16:00.13 | petn-randall | d[10]^: You can use 'rename' from util-linux ... what jelly said. |
| 16:00.13 | jelly | d[10]^: right. if the output looks sane, remove -n from the command to actually do it |
| 16:00.30 | petn-randall | d[10]^: You should understand the commands and parameters you use, not follow them blindly. |
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| 16:01.10 | d[10]^ | ~thxn |
| 16:01.16 | josuebrunel | sorry my bad. Wrong channel |
| 16:01.22 | d[10]^ | prename 's/$/.txt/' x?? |
| 16:01.30 | jelly | yes |
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| 16:01.51 | jelly | x?? <- glob that matches all the files created by split |
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| 16:03.27 | karlpinc | Ah well. Bug# 803302. I guess I give up on iceweasel for a while. |
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| 16:03.43 | jomofcw | jelly, it say that it does nothing :/ and in fact the conf file still the same. |
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| 16:05.05 | jomofcw | jelly here is what I've done : http://paste.debian.net/318570/ |
| 16:05.10 | jelly | venkat_330: there's no difference in performance between a chroot environment and a normal install |
| 16:06.08 | venkat_330 | jelly: i am so worried on licensing .. |
| 16:07.07 | petn-randall | karlpinc: Thanks for the good bug report. |
| 16:07.34 | jelly | venkat_330: well that depends on how reasonable the vendor is. If you can explain to them you're booting debian 8 and running the app wholly inside a debian 6 chroot, because there's no fucking way to find a modern system that will run debian 6... then you're lucky |
| 16:08.00 | karlpinc | venkat_330: Those sorts of questions are for lawyers. |
| 16:08.11 | venkat_330 | karlpinc: accepted |
| 16:08.27 | jelly | otherwise find a PC from 2008 |
| 16:08.29 | karlpinc | venkat_330: Or, you could just let the sales people lie to you. :-) |
| 16:08.38 | jelly | s/to you/for you/; |
| 16:09.27 | venkat_330 | karlpinc: i am keeping all option in mind |
| 16:09.28 | karlpinc | petn-randall: I like to think that bug reports "give back"... |
| 16:09.44 | jomofcw | jelly : the same but in english > http://paste.debian.net/318573/ |
| 16:10.35 | jelly | jomofcw: does the file /etc/vsftpd.conf belong to "vsftpd" package? |
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| 16:14.42 | venkat_330 | jelly: can you suggest any sample flow to install debian squeeze stable i386 |
| 16:14.59 | korhojoa | venkat_330: so wild guess, you |
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| 16:15.01 | jelly | venkat_330: inside a chroot or for reals? |
| 16:15.03 | korhojoa | http://www.emvco.com/approvals.aspx?id=85 |
| 16:15.16 | jomofcw | jelly yup, according to dpkg. Anyway, I fix it finding what was wrong in my conf file. Thanks for your help ! |
| 16:15.19 | korhojoa | Swave_EMVKernel_1.0 |
| 16:15.58 | jomofcw | And now... i've got another VSFTPD problem... DAMN ! |
| 16:16.49 | venkat_330 | korhojoa: Awsome |
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| 16:17.06 | jomofcw | And... fixed ! Pfiou xD. |
| 16:17.07 | venkat_330 | jelly: inssdie a chroot |
| 16:17.22 | korhojoa | venkat_330: yeah just do a chroot |
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| 16:20.40 | jelly | venkat_330: you run "debootstrap squeeze /path/to/chroot http://archive.debian.org/debian" |
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| 16:21.32 | jelly | venkat_330: possibly taking into account whether your app runs in 32bit (i386) or 64bit architecture |
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| 16:21.56 | venkat_330 | jelly: i386 is my target |
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| 16:22.21 | jelly | then add the appropriate --arch option |
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| 16:22.39 | venkat_330 | jelly: debootstrap --arch i686 squeeze /opt/debian6 http://archive.debian.org/debian |
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| 16:23.12 | jelly | venkat_330: manual suggests --arch=i386 |
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| 16:24.29 | venkat_330 | jelly: The process just started... |
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| 16:27.32 | jelly | you'll need some additional messing to run an X app inside connecting to the X server outside, but it's not too complex |
| 16:27.49 | pflanze | Is there a better X clipper than xfce4-clipman? |
| 16:28.05 | pflanze | I'm still looking for something that will fix the copy-paste mess. |
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| 16:29.18 | pflanze | When I turn on X selection&clipboard synchroniztion in xfce4-clipman, it will make it impossible to copy paste to places that pop up suggestions as those open up an X selection which destroys the clipboard. |
| 16:30.10 | pflanze | So, I guess there's no way to fix this properly, but perhaps there's a clipper that checks which app and/or in which field or context does the X selection and not sync in cases that would be a nuisance. |
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| 16:31.19 | jelly | pflanze: it's an unfixable mess, esp. if you're dealing with remote desktop too |
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| 16:31.29 | pflanze | Also, I don't really mind that there's both a clipboard an an X selection: this I can deal with. It's just some set of accompagnying or orthogonal oddities that I've had enough of. |
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| 16:32.12 | pflanze | jelly, yep, copying/pasting from/to Xvnc is a complete mess too; although I think I've made it worse by running the vnc client in untrusted X. |
| 16:32.34 | pflanze | I'm copying from xemacs, pasting to GNU emacs, copying from there again, then paste to vnc to make it work. |
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| 16:33.21 | pflanze | So, what to do about it? Perhaps make the apps that don't have ctl-c put X selections into the clipboard instead? |
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| 16:33.29 | pflanze | Like, selecting from urxvt. |
| 16:34.14 | pflanze | The odd part is just that I repeatedly meet people who don't understand what problems I'm talking about, and they suggest it may be because they run a clipper and I don't. |
| 16:34.22 | pflanze | So....what clipper should I run? |
| 16:34.40 | korhojoa | https://www.clipper-teas.com/ ? |
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| 16:37.15 | venkat_330 | jelly: it has successfully installed..is there some specifics do it do?? |
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| 16:45.54 | venkat_330 | jelly: Just confused on fstab creation part.. |
| 16:47.36 | leandrosansilva | Hello to all. I am using debian testing and since today in the morning, after an normal update, X11 does not work anymore. I get basically a black screen. Has anyone else experienced similar issue? |
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| 16:47.59 | sh00p | maybe you got a new kernel, and need to recompile your gpu drivers leandrosansilva |
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| 16:48.05 | leandrosansilva | I am using the i915 video module, no proprietary module |
| 16:48.20 | damarusama | hi, I want to disable frambuffer when installing - what should I write in he boot# |
| 16:48.25 | damarusama | I am using the cd xfce |
| 16:48.29 | damarusama | installer |
| 16:48.37 | AvatarA | welcome to testing adventures! leandrosansilva |
| 16:48.40 | leandrosansilva | The most weird is that I can start wayland successfully |
| 16:48.44 | leandrosansilva | weston* |
| 16:49.04 | AvatarA | had the same issue |
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| 16:49.13 | leandrosansilva | sh00p, how do I recompile those gpu drivers? |
| 16:49.21 | leandrosansilva | apt-build? |
| 16:49.32 | sh00p | leandrosansilva, if you're using the free driver I dont think you should need to |
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| 16:49.43 | sh00p | not even sure if there is a non-free version of that one |
| 16:49.47 | leandrosansilva | Yes, I am using the free one |
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| 16:50.18 | leandrosansilva | I really suspect on X11, because, as I said, weston works fine |
| 16:50.47 | leandrosansilva | The black screen I get is so black that not even the keyboard and mouse work :-( |
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| 16:51.04 | leandrosansilva | :-) |
| 16:51.04 | alexbodn1 | hello friends, i have changed my computer while keeping my 2 raid1 disks. it's quite modern system, with uefi support by default, that was working in the beginning in legacy mode, but now it crashes on boot with panic. could you help? |
| 16:51.26 | leandrosansilva | AvatarA, so you got the same problem? Could you manage to solve it? |
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| 16:52.56 | damarusama | when/where would I put debian-installer/framebuffer=false |
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| 16:53.08 | damarusama | when I install from cd? at the boot# prompt? |
| 16:53.18 | AvatarA | leandrosansilva, /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf |
| 16:53.22 | AvatarA | WaylandEnable=false |
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| 16:53.55 | AvatarA | sorry in a rush, gtg, bbl |
| 16:54.19 | SparkMasterTape | whats the clock format text to make it a 12 hour format on my bar |
| 16:54.25 | leandrosansilva | Well, actually I am using sddm (kde5), but I could not even start a simple xterm with xinit (after disabling sddm) |
| 16:54.30 | SparkMasterTape | its 24 hour right now when its set to %R |
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| 16:55.13 | gabboman | Hi, I just came here to say that I compiled my own kernel and it doesn't halts like my system |
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| 16:55.41 | gabboman | and my cpu is a silvermont |
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| 16:57.15 | teclo- | Hi, I'm trying to install mp3gain in Debian 8.x ... However, the mp3gain package is in squeeze, wheezy and sid, but not in 8.0 ... what should I do to install mp3gain ? |
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| 16:59.33 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 16:59.33 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 17:05.28 | teclo- | thank you jhutchins ... However... there's gotta be something wrong in dependencies regarding easymp3gain... In 8.0 there's no mp3gain, but there is easymp3gain-data ... without mp3gain as a dependency... and there's no easymp3gain at all.... |
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| 17:08.30 | abrotman | judd: file mp3gain |
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| 17:08.40 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:08.49 | abrotman | judd: file bin/*mp3gain |
| 17:08.53 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:09.02 | abrotman | guess it doens't know wildcards |
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| 17:10.20 | teclo- | abrotman: well I did apt-file search mp3gain and it's not in any package to me |
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| 17:17.35 | AvatarA | leandrosansilva, any success? |
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| 17:20.08 | LordMux | mp3gain just in wheezy and sid it seams |
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| 17:23.10 | towo` | it's not in sid |
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| 17:26.42 | LordMux | yeah sorry my mistake, havent saw architecture. People suggest using python-rgain |
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| 17:35.54 | asarch | pepperflashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 17:37.16 | petn-randall | asarch: I'll take incomplete questions for 100, Alex. |
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| 17:38.02 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 17:38.06 | asarch | ? |
| 17:38.12 | FI_OpwK | hello.world |
| 17:38.37 | marioxcc | I am using a graphical environment. I added my user to a group. How can I open a shell that will have this group (just opening a shell doesn't show the new group)?. |
| 17:39.29 | ewew | marioxcc run this command id and try logout and login. |
| 17:39.38 | AvatarA | logout login or use newgrp |
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| 17:41.37 | marioxcc | ewew, AvatarA: Thanks. I used newgrp. I wanted to avoid having to log out and log in. |
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| 17:47.06 | petn-randall | asarch: You just stated "pepperflashplugin-nonfree?". Can you formulate a support question out of that? |
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| 17:47.09 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 17:47.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:47.09 | JohnA | I have a Debian server setup - email, webdav, davical ...! What is the "best" way of remotely administering it? |
| 17:47.16 | petn-randall | JohnA: SSH |
| 17:47.54 | asarch | Oh, sorry! It was a typo :-P |
| 17:47.57 | JohnA | petn-randall: Putty ssh using certs not pws? |
| 17:48.16 | asarch | What I thought petn-randall was: /msg dpkg pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:48.28 | asarch | ,,kernel |
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| 17:48.36 | petn-randall | asarch: Ah, ok. |
| 17:48.37 | marioxcc | Hello. I want to add some partitions as read-only block devices to a virtual machine that is managed with QEMU. |
| 17:48.43 | petn-randall | JohnA: What is pws? |
| 17:48.59 | JohnA | petn-randall: passwords |
| 17:49.01 | petn-randall | JohnA: Oh yeah, SSH keys are safer than passwords, yes. |
| 17:49.22 | petn-randall | JohnA: SSH has no certificate system in place. |
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| 17:49.47 | marioxcc | I changed the groups of those partitions (/dev/sda1 and /dev/sda3) to the group of my user. Now I try to run QEMU but it complains about improper permissions: |
| 17:49.53 | marioxcc | qemu-system-x86_64: -drive file=/dev/sda1,if=virtio,aio=native: could not open disk image /dev/sda1: Could not open '/dev/sda1': Permission denied |
| 17:50.06 | marioxcc | However, I can read the block device with "hd" fine. |
| 17:50.10 | marioxcc | What is the problem? |
| 17:50.55 | JohnA | I was thinking of a VPN then running putty through it. As to certs - I have to use Putty and it has a putty "cert" style security. |
| 17:51.20 | frostschutz | marioxcc, write permissions too? |
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| 17:51.37 | marioxcc | frostschutz: No, only read permission. I want it to be read-only. |
| 17:51.54 | frostschutz | marioxcc, then maybe add the readonly flag in the kvm parameters as well? |
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| 17:53.43 | marioxcc | frostschutz: Right. Thanks. I thought QEMU would autodetect that. |
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| 17:55.49 | ngc0202 | hey |
| 17:56.10 | ngc0202 | a couple months ago I did an installation of debian where it only put the basics on and I had to do something else to get the rest |
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| 17:56.24 | ngc0202 | I only did the basic thing and now I'm trying to finish it up, but I can't figure out what to do |
| 17:56.34 | abrotman | what is "the rest" ? |
| 17:56.44 | ngc0202 | Like the entirity of debian |
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| 17:57.01 | abrotman | ngc0202: is your /etc/apt/sources.list setup ? |
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| 17:57.10 | abrotman | is your network functional? |
| 17:57.27 | ngc0202 | All I have is a super minimal terminal |
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| 17:57.45 | ngc0202 | there's no startx or anything haha |
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| 17:57.53 | abrotman | that isn't what I asked ... |
| 17:58.10 | abrotman | cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. any http sources in there? |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ngc0202 about jessie sources.list |
| 17:58.28 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Usually, you'd first configure your network, and setup some sources in /etc/apt/sources.list. Check if you have a working network connection. And check content of /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 17:58.42 | ngc0202 | sources.list lists a NETINST CDROM |
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| 17:59.08 | ngc0202 | also I almost definitely don't have a working network connection |
| 17:59.17 | ngc0202 | I have no idea how to connect to the wifi via terminal |
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| 17:59.37 | asarch | ,,kernel |
| 17:59.40 | ngc0202 | I can stick an ethernet cable in it when I need it |
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| 17:59.46 | mutante | ngc0202: yea, just use cable |
| 17:59.52 | asarch | cannot remember the command... |
| 17:59.54 | ngc0202 | What do I run to finish the install? |
| 17:59.56 | asarch | ,kernel |
| 17:59.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-rc7-686 (4.3~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.5-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.3-2); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.3-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u5) |
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| 18:00.47 | abrotman | ngc0202: what GUI do you want? |
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| 18:00.52 | ngc0202 | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official Multi-architecture amd64/i386 NETINST #1 20150906-15:28]/ jessie main |
| 18:00.55 | mutante | ngc0202: that depends on what you want to install, it can't just be "everything", there is a huge amount of software packages |
| 18:01.02 | abrotman | ngc0202: see what the bot told you about your sources.list |
| 18:01.03 | ngc0202 | Is that's listed in sources.list |
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| 18:01.20 | Azelphur | Hey folks, service sshd status reports SSH fails to start, but it doesn't say why. Does anyone know where the log files would be so I can investigate why it's not starting? |
| 18:01.30 | ngc0202 | what's* |
| 18:01.38 | abrotman | Azelphur: /var/log/ |
| 18:01.45 | ngc0202 | I don't mean get EVERY package ever |
| 18:01.51 | abrotman | ngc0202: see what the bot told you about your sources.list |
| 18:02.00 | ngc0202 | I mean have everything that comes with Debian out of box |
| 18:02.20 | Azelphur | abrotman: more specific than "the folder that contains pretty much every single log" would be great |
| 18:02.34 | abrotman | Azelphur: /var/log/messages is a good start |
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| 18:03.30 | Azelphur | abrotman: doesn't seem to be anything in there :( |
| 18:03.37 | mutante | ngc0202: pick from Gnome or KDE |
| 18:03.42 | abrotman | Azelphur: may need to crank up the logging |
| 18:03.46 | abrotman | mutante: we're not that far yet .. |
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| 18:04.09 | deadcell | Azelphur: /var/log/auth will show you SSH logins, /var/log/messages will also contain details |
| 18:04.26 | Azelphur | thanks |
| 18:04.48 | deadcell | Azelphur: correction, /var/log/messages *should* show errors |
| 18:04.50 | abrotman | deadcell: auth log won't show you anything if sshd isn't running ... |
| 18:05.10 | mutante | Azelphur: and a glance at /var/log/syslog usually doesn't hurt either |
| 18:05.11 | deadcell | abrotman: i know which is why I specified it will show login attempts |
| 18:05.15 | Azelphur | aha, I found some stuff in /var/log/auth, sshd is spamming that it can't bind to the ports because the addresses are already in use |
| 18:05.27 | abrotman | neat |
| 18:05.37 | Azelphur | which is bizarre, because obviously, sshd is the one using said ports. |
| 18:05.43 | deadcell | Azelphur: so then you have another service running on port 22, unless you are using a custom port |
| 18:05.44 | abrotman | Azelphur: fuser -n tcp 22 |
| 18:06.00 | Azelphur | 22/tcp: 4694 4713 9880 10055 12368 12378 26278 |
| 18:06.41 | abrotman | interesting .. and what are those? |
| 18:06.50 | ngc0202 | abrotman: aptitude command not found |
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| 18:07.11 | abrotman | ngc0202: try apt-get update |
| 18:07.15 | Azelphur | abrotman: every one of them is an sshd process |
| 18:07.49 | abrotman | Azelphur: so use the init script to stop the ssh daemon |
| 18:08.13 | deadcell | Azelphur: try restarting the daemon......abrotman beat me too it |
| 18:08.17 | Azelphur | abrotman: problem with that is this is a remote machine in a DC, we have to keep ssh (or something?) up so we can remotely access it, otherwise it's remote hands. |
| 18:08.28 | Azelphur | we've done sshd restart, it fails to start because of the ports |
| 18:08.37 | abrotman | Azelphur: production box? |
| 18:08.44 | Azelphur | abrotman: yea |
| 18:08.52 | abrotman | iLO access? |
| 18:08.55 | mutante | do you have a mgmt interface to get in without ssh? |
| 18:09.21 | Azelphur | mutante / abrotman: nope :< |
| 18:09.29 | abrotman | what kind of server is this?! |
| 18:09.30 | Azelphur | it's remote hands or SSH unless I install something else |
| 18:09.35 | Azelphur | a dedicated machine |
| 18:09.40 | ngc0202 | So, I don't have internet |
| 18:09.51 | ngc0202 | Ethernet cable is live and plugged in |
| 18:09.55 | ngc0202 | Do I have to do something? |
| 18:09.59 | abrotman | ngc0202: dmesg | grep eth |
| 18:10.00 | mutante | Azelphur: do you know the vendor? |
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| 18:10.03 | Azelphur | mutante: yes |
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| 18:10.47 | mutante | Azelphur: if it's a Dell or a HP (or most others) it should have some kind of mgmt console |
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| 18:10.57 | ngc0202 | abrotman: ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed |
| 18:11.10 | Azelphur | mutante: if there is I don't have access to it afaik :( |
| 18:11.21 | abrotman | ngc0202: is there a number? eth0 or eth1 ? |
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| 18:12.13 | mutante | Azelphur: maybe the remote hands guy doesn't want you to know because it saves his job :) |
| 18:12.22 | ngc0202 | Down below it says eth0 registered PHC clock |
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| 18:12.58 | Azelphur | mutante: amusingly there is only one guy, and it's free. Often takes days for him to get to it, the one bad thing on otherwise very good hosting :P |
| 18:13.03 | mutante | Azelphur: second best thing i guess .. you could setup a second sshd on another port first |
| 18:13.17 | Azelphur | mutante: yea, I think we'll try that and see what happens |
| 18:13.37 | ngc0202 | So it should be eth0 abrotman |
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| 18:14.14 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Did you check /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:14.40 | ngc0202 | eth0 is not ther |
| 18:14.48 | ngc0202 | Just auto lo and iface lo inet loopback |
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| 18:16.09 | abrotman | ngc0202: dhclient eth9 |
| 18:16.12 | abrotman | ugh, eth0 |
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| 18:17.16 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Then you need to add it. "auto eth0", and on the next line "iface eth0 inet dhcp". Save, reboot. |
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| 18:17.48 | ngc0202 | Lauwenmark: I just finished doing exactly that |
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| 18:17.50 | ngc0202 | Still nothing |
| 18:17.52 | Lauwenmark | Should give you network access, provided the computer is connected to a network with DHCP services available. |
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| 18:18.00 | ngc0202 | Also it hung for about a minute on boot saying raising network something |
| 18:18.09 | ngc0202 | A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces. |
| 18:18.22 | ngc0202 | also abrotman: dhclient command not found |
| 18:18.31 | nutron | not sure where to really ask this, though I'm sure it's related to xorg, but I want to be able to press a key on the keyboard an/or a button on my mouse to turn movement into scrolling... I've attempted to google, but at this point I'm running into non-related issues... |
| 18:18.46 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Then configure the network manually, still in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:18.48 | abrotman | ngc0202: dhclient<tab> eth0 |
| 18:18.49 | nutron | Can this be done? If so, any documentation on how to do it? |
| 18:19.08 | abrotman | nutron: there is a #xorg |
| 18:19.17 | ngc0202 | Oh |
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| 18:19.29 | ngc0202 | So I just realized that time I rebooted, the light on my ethernet port came on and is green |
| 18:19.35 | nutron | abrotman: ok thanks, I'll take it there. |
| 18:19.40 | ngc0202 | So that's a good sign |
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| 18:19.47 | ngc0202 | But ping google.com still fails haha |
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| 18:20.13 | Azelphur | all fixed, we moved the server to port 2222, then back to port 22 |
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| 18:20.53 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Please paste content of output of "ifconfig eth0". |
| 18:21.01 | ngc0202 | I don't have ifconfig |
| 18:22.27 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: "ip address" then. |
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| 18:23.01 | ngc0202 | ok |
| 18:23.09 | ngc0202 | I have no way to paste but |
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| 18:23.34 | ngc0202 | eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000 |
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| 18:24.15 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: no inet line? |
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| 18:24.32 | ngc0202 | 1 is lo and 2 is eth0, that's it |
| 18:24.39 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Then you'd want to try to configure the network with a static address. |
| 18:24.40 | ngc0202 | ohh under eth0 |
| 18:24.42 | ngc0202 | yeah there is |
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| 18:25.09 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 18:25.11 | ngc0202 | inet 155.246.108.120/24 brd 155.246.108.255 scope global eth0 |
| 18:25.20 | ngc0202 | I can! |
| 18:25.30 | ngc0202 | oh shit I just pinged google.com |
| 18:25.34 | omilun | hello guys ... i need to make an iso file from my own laptop's os to install that on other pc and laptops by a cd or flash memory ... how can i do this? |
| 18:25.35 | ngc0202 | Something changed |
| 18:25.56 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Then edit your /etc/resolv.conf, and add a "nameserver 8.8.8.8" line in it. |
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| 18:26.48 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: This will define the google dns servers as your dns server. You can ofc pick up another one later on. |
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| 18:26.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1 are better than 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:27.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | (in terms of privacy) |
| 18:27.12 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Then reboot and ensure you can ping both "8.8.8.8" and say "www.google.com" |
| 18:27.21 | ngc0202 | Lauwenmark: It has my university nameserver stuff in there |
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| 18:27.35 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Then "ping www.google.com" would work, doesn't it? |
| 18:27.44 | ngc0202 | It does |
| 18:27.51 | ngc0202 | I tried apt-get update once I realized that works |
| 18:28.06 | ngc0202 | It says E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found |
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| 18:28.57 | IronEagle | hi, I've just installed Debian 8 with xfce4 and vncserver, the problem is that autocompletion isn't working in uxterm, but it's working when I'm using the SSH terminal, I tried to reinstall auto-completion but it isn't working any idea? |
| 18:29.08 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Try adding a "deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ jessie" line to your sources.list. |
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| 18:29.55 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: (replace the ".be" part with your own country code if possible, for example "ftp.fr.debian.org" would also work) |
| 18:30.03 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 18:30.18 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: err, no apt-get upgrade necessary :) |
| 18:30.37 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: (but that's usually what I do, reflex move :) ) |
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| 18:31.33 | ngc0202 | It says the line is malformed |
| 18:31.54 | ngc0202 | do I need to write jessie main at the end? |
| 18:31.56 | ngc0202 | All the rest have that |
| 18:32.07 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: arf, sorry, forgot. "deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" |
| 18:32.30 | ngc0202 | Now I got the error from before |
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| 18:33.25 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: comment out any other line in that file by starting it with #, just to be sure you don't have another entry. |
| 18:33.38 | ngc0202 | I only want the one you gave me? |
| 18:33.59 | Lauwenmark | Yes. |
| 18:34.07 | ngc0202 | Done and still got the error |
| 18:34.21 | ngc0202 | N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed? |
| 18:35.09 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: I'd manually download https://packages.debian.org/jessie/apt-transport-https and install it with dpkg -i |
| 18:35.21 | ngc0202 | How do I download manually haha |
| 18:35.37 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: wget? Or from another machine and copy with boring old usb? |
| 18:35.50 | ngc0202 | I'm glad I have wget haha |
| 18:36.29 | deadcell | there is also curl :D |
| 18:36.34 | ngc0202 | It was very unhappy with the website |
| 18:36.39 | Lauwenmark | (What is strange is that the source.list entry above is an "http", not "https", so no idea why you get that error. |
| 18:36.40 | Lauwenmark | ) |
| 18:36.45 | Lauwenmark | deadcell: indeed :) |
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| 18:37.38 | ngc0202 | It doesn't trust debian.org because owner does not match hostname |
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| 18:38.53 | ngc0202 | Lauwenmark: Can I get my MAC address with that IP command? |
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| 18:38.59 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: what is your system architecture? i386? amd64? Other? |
| 18:39.04 | ngc0202 | idk how without ifconfig |
| 18:39.06 | ngc0202 | amd64 |
| 18:39.35 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Then wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt-transport-https_1.0.9.8.1_amd64.deb should do it. |
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| 18:40.45 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: "ip -d link" |
| 18:41.31 | AngeFede | : bonsoir / hellow |
| 18:41.45 | Lauwenmark | AngeFede: Bonsoir (hi) |
| 18:42.00 | AngeFede | Lauwenmark, hi too |
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| 18:42.54 | ngc0202 | my university network bullshit is giving wget troubles for some reason |
| 18:43.11 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Please give the error message(s), if any. |
| 18:43.23 | ngc0202 | Ok |
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| 18:43.31 | ngc0202 | I just rebooted then I'll try again |
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| 18:44.27 | ngc0202 | I accidentally just downloaded google.com |
| 18:44.36 | ngc0202 | but it worked so now I'm gonna try getting the package |
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| 18:45.19 | ngc0202 | yay |
| 18:45.35 | strk | does "make install" for a linux kernel play nicely with grub configs ? |
| 18:45.41 | strk | as its README only mention LILO... |
| 18:45.46 | asdyas9d8hq | I just did an apt-get upragde and now the sound only works if I'm root. I've added myself to the "audio" group, but it's still not working. ("Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller"). Any help? Thanks. |
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| 18:46.27 | asdyas9d8hq | is on debian testing |
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| 18:46.52 | ngc0202 | Lauwenmark: dpkg install failed because of missing dependencies |
| 18:47.27 | Lauwenmark | strk: No idea. I'd suggest packaging your custom kernel with the kernel-package utilities (make-kpkg) so it plays nicely with the rest of your system. See https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 18:47.42 | ngc0202 | libcul13-gnutls |
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| 18:48.10 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Wouldn't it be faster to simply re-install that debian from the netinstall cd/usb key, this time properly? Just saying. |
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| 18:48.36 | ngc0202 | It did install properly |
| 18:48.42 | ngc0202 | I just didn't do the netinstall part |
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| 18:49.14 | greycat | asdyas9d8hq: did you log out and back in after adding yourself to the new group? |
| 18:50.04 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: I wonder why you didn't do that part :) But I'm puzzled that you didn't get the basics working. I've done netinstall without network in the past, yet was able to enable apt-get without installing extra packages. |
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| 18:50.15 | ngc0202 | I'm not sure |
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| 18:50.33 | asdyas9d8hq | greycat: yes |
| 18:50.40 | greycat | if you have another machine to look at the sources.list file on (or if you can web search for a proper one), it's easy enough to type them in |
| 18:50.52 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: in any case, you can continue manually downloading the needed packages. |
| 18:51.08 | ngc0202 | Where would I find that? |
| 18:51.12 | greycat | asdyas9d8hq: do you get an error when you try to play audio as yourself? What happens? |
| 18:51.50 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: http://packages.debian.org. Search for the package you need, then select your acrhitecture, and you'll have links to various mirrors. |
| 18:52.31 | asdyas9d8hq | greycat: I don't get any error messages from iceweasel or mpv, but I get this from vlc: http://pastebin.com/XWtjZYd3 |
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| 18:53.59 | greycat | I don't understand what "connection refused" means in the context of opening an ALSA device. |
| 18:54.12 | greycat | Usually that error means a failure to connect to a network socket. |
| 18:54.29 | asdyas9d8hq | greycat: Yeah me neither. I'm way over my head. |
| 18:54.40 | greycat | !alsa checklist |
| 18:54.40 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 18:58.05 | teraflops | asdyas9d8hq: hmm, who owns `/run/user/1000/pulse` ? |
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| 18:59.39 | mah454 | Hello |
| 18:59.45 | mah454 | I use debian testing ... |
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| 18:59.47 | mah454 | Where is this file : "/lib/udev/write_net_rules" |
| 18:59.56 | mah454 | I can't find on any packages on debian testing ... |
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| 19:01.05 | blind | mah454: what do you mean where is it? that's an absolute path |
| 19:01.14 | asdyas9d8hq | dpkg: (1) Done that. Didn't work. (2) I think my chanells are ok (https://imgur.com/L4Y5r62). (3) Not sure how to verify that. (4) Yes. (5) yes. 6. Don't know how to do that :( |
| 19:01.14 | dpkg | that's too long, asdyas9d8hq |
| 19:01.34 | teraflops | asdyas9d8hq: who owns `/run/user/1000/pulse` ? |
| 19:01.38 | ewew | asdyas9d8hq It is a bot. |
| 19:01.46 | ewew | asdyas9d8hq "dpkg" |
| 19:02.20 | asdyas9d8hq | ewew: dpkg is a bot? |
| 19:02.31 | mah454 | blind: This file must installed with udev package , but can not found !!! also i use this command to find this package : "apt-file search write_net_rules" |
| 19:02.40 | deadcell | asdyas9d8hq: no dpkg is a debian package manager system |
| 19:02.51 | rainfyre | and a bot in here |
| 19:03.01 | deadcell | rainfyre: oh crap right! |
| 19:03.04 | greycat | The bot is named after the Debian program. |
| 19:03.04 | rainfyre | lol |
| 19:03.35 | teraflops | asdyas9d8hq: are u ignoring me? :S |
| 19:03.46 | deadcell | whelp no one ever said pay attention was my name lol |
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| 19:04.09 | fennesz | hello ! is there a way I can use my canon mx470 network scanner with debian ? |
| 19:04.09 | asdyas9d8hq | teraflops: I own "/run/user/1000/pulse". |
| 19:04.18 | teraflops | ah ok |
| 19:04.24 | deadcell | asdyas9d8hq: run a ls -la /run/user/1000/pulse to see who owns it for teraflops by owner he wants to know what user acct i think |
| 19:04.36 | rainfyre | fennesz: i use a canon mx860, wirelessly with debian |
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| 19:05.01 | fennesz | rainfyre, did you install any special software ? |
| 19:05.09 | teraflops | deadcell: thanks im getting old ... |
| 19:05.22 | rainfyre | fennesz: i had to search a bit for the drivers, and it was a bit of a process |
| 19:05.30 | fennesz | rainfyre, do you use sane? |
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| 19:05.41 | rainfyre | fennesz: I don't know what that is |
| 19:05.50 | mah454 | debian testing lost some files ... !!!!! WHY ? |
| 19:06.07 | greycat | mah454: ask #debian-next on the OFTC network. |
| 19:06.10 | rainfyre | fennesz: i googled it, found the solution on an ubuntu thread and got the drivers off of a german canon mirror. ha |
| 19:06.17 | greycat | mah454: or look for an existing bug report, or file a bug report if there isn't one |
| 19:06.28 | fennesz | rainfyre, I have found this http://support-au.canon.com.au/contents/AU/EN/0100586902.html |
| 19:07.08 | fennesz | i extract the files but when I try : " sh install.sh " I get errors |
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| 19:07.32 | ngc0202 | Lauwenmark: I got it working! Thank you for your help |
| 19:07.34 | fennesz | rainfyre, btw this is sane https://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork |
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| 19:08.21 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Nice :) |
| 19:08.44 | rainfyre | fennesz: wow sane looks slick. let me look for my drivers, just a sec |
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| 19:09.01 | fennesz | rainfyre, ok ! |
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| 19:09.52 | rainfyre | fennesz: ok, my drivers came as .deb files, so i just used dpkg to install them |
| 19:10.00 | ngc0202 | Lauwenmark: Is there anything like apt-get install debian-full |
| 19:10.09 | ngc0202 | So I can get the rest |
| 19:10.16 | fennesz | rainfyre, ok will search for deb file |
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| 19:10.22 | fennesz | thank you rainfyre |
| 19:10.29 | rainfyre | fennesz: and it was totally a work-around, it wasn't a debian fix. you're welcome |
| 19:10.40 | fennesz | ok |
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| 19:11.18 | fennesz | rainfyre, do you see anything similar in here http://www.canon.co.uk/support/consumer_products/products/fax__multifunctionals/inkjet/pixma_mx_series/pixma_mx475.aspx?type=drivers&language=&os=Linux%20%2864-bit%29 ? |
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| 19:11.29 | fennesz | sorry to bother |
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| 19:11.37 | asdyas9d8hq | Does anyone know the significance of this vlc error I'm getting: "alsa audio output error: cannot open ALSA device "default": Connection refused" ? |
| 19:11.48 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: Not that I know of. probably the next step would be to install basics, like SSH, or Xorg-related packages. |
| 19:11.56 | ngc0202 | hm ok |
| 19:11.58 | rainfyre | fennesz: i used the cnijfilter one on top http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=74326 |
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| 19:12.09 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: At least you start with a very clean system :) |
| 19:12.15 | ngc0202 | haha yes |
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| 19:12.46 | fennesz | rainfyre thank you |
| 19:12.53 | rainfyre | fennesz: it looks like you've found better driver sources than I did. yup np :) |
| 19:13.18 | Lauwenmark | ngc0202: I usually only install the "standard system utilities" and do the rest "by hand", so to speak. You get much better control on what gets in. |
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| 19:14.52 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: that can happen if pulseaudio daemon has died |
| 19:15.07 | nicoo | Blubenmark: Even âstandard system utilitiesâ isn't something I want. It brings in NFS and other things listening on the network |
| 19:15.19 | greycat | whaaaat |
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| 19:15.36 | kekd | Hi, why apt-get cant locate package "steam" when trying to install it even though the package is available in stable? (I'm using Jessie): https://packages.debian.org/jessie/steam |
| 19:15.37 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: How do I resurrect it? |
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| 19:16.14 | greycat | nicoo: well anyway, if you want an absolute bare base install, you can do that. do a net install and then select NOTHING in the tasksel dialog when it pops up. |
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| 19:16.31 | greycat | you'll have to un-check the standard utilities and the desktop thingy |
| 19:16.37 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: oh, you can just start it manually in a terminal to see if that helps: pulseaudio & |
| 19:16.54 | nicoo | greycat: That's /exactly/ what I do (when I don't preseed) |
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| 19:17.39 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: "E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running." :( |
| 19:17.46 | nicoo | kekd: Check you have non-free enabled and run apt-get update |
| 19:17.57 | jelly | not that reason, then |
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| 19:18.28 | greycat | would try to get audio working *without* pulse first. Then add pulse to the mix later if you still want it. |
| 19:18.34 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: dive into vlc audio settings and pick a different output module or device, then...? |
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| 19:20.37 | kekd | nicoo: I confirm non-free is listed in my /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free", I did "apt-get update" and still unable to locate the package |
| 19:20.40 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: Didn't work. Also, the problem is with more than just vlc. I get the same problem with iceweasel. |
| 19:20.50 | greycat | ,v steam |
| 19:20.52 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 19:20.59 | greycat | kekd: apparently the package has a different name |
| 19:21.08 | rainfyre | kekd: aptitude search steam |
| 19:21.38 | kekd | nothing shows |
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| 19:22.00 | rainfyre | kekd: not on a debian system atm, but steam runs fine on my laptop at home |
| 19:22.05 | nicoo | kekd: Funny, I can reproduce on my system |
| 19:22.13 | vlitzer | does anyone can recommend me a decent usb wifi card? |
| 19:22.14 | ewew | kekd do you have enabled non-free repository. |
| 19:22.23 | kekd | ewew: yes sir |
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| 19:22.29 | nicoo | kekd: Oh, you also need architecture i386 enabled, I guess |
| 19:22.30 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: and what about: speaker-test -t wav -c 2 |
| 19:22.34 | greycat | ahhh. |
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| 19:22.37 | greycat | ,v steam i386 |
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| 19:22.39 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.50-6; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.50-6 |
| 19:22.49 | kekd | oh |
| 19:22.52 | nicoo | gives themselves a troubleshooting cookie |
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| 19:23.01 | rainfyre | go nicoo |
| 19:23.02 | rainfyre | ! |
| 19:23.05 | kekd | what do I need to do to get it tho? |
| 19:23.05 | greycat | !steam |
| 19:23.05 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 19:23.18 | rainfyre | is it still ia32-libs? |
| 19:23.23 | kekd | got it |
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| 19:23.25 | greycat | rainfyre: /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 19:23.28 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: "ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Protocol error |
| 19:23.31 | asdyas9d8hq | Playback open error: -111,Connection refused |
| 19:23.44 | rainfyre | thanks greycat. multiarch still confuses me haha |
| 19:24.22 | kekd | thank you guys |
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| 19:24.30 | rainfyre | kekd: np |
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| 19:26.18 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: nice. pgrep pulseaudio says what? |
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| 19:26.46 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: It gvies me two pids : 1539 |
| 19:26.49 | asdyas9d8hq | 2100 |
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| 19:28.13 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: alright, let's assume they're not doing their job and pkill them. (just replace pgrep with pkill) |
| 19:28.33 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: Done |
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| 19:28.42 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: then verify the processes died using pgrep again, and then start a fresh one |
| 19:29.16 | jelly | if there are different process id numbers, that's also good |
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| 19:30.29 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: I killed them, but now their back as different pids (7454, 7468). |
| 19:30.43 | greycat | that's fine. it means a new one was started. |
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| 19:35.12 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: now try speaker-test again |
| 19:36.20 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: http://pastebin.com/NbqM5UKr |
| 19:36.23 | centrx | No more install CDs!? |
| 19:36.28 | ngc0202 | Is it possible for me to download all the packages of kali and have them on debian? |
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| 19:37.48 | jelly | centrx: what are you interrobanging about |
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| 19:38.36 | centrx | "Full CD sets were removed, as announced earlier in the Summary of the Debian CD BoF at DebConf15." - https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/09/msg00004.html |
| 19:39.15 | jelly | centrx: read "CD sets" as a unit. |
| 19:40.07 | jelly | the sets of CD images containing all packages from a release for an architecture: they are no more. |
| 19:40.46 | greycat | I see nothing controversial about this change. |
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| 19:41.56 | jelly | fitting some arbitrary set of packages into a 700MB CD1 has been problematic for a while |
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| 19:42.45 | greycat | And *having* CD73 is just ludicrous. |
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| 19:43.11 | asdyas9d8hq | K. I purged alsa-base and puleaudio, reinstalled them and now I'm going to reboot to see if anything happens. I'll be back in a bit. |
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| 19:43.18 | centrx | I'm travelling back in time, but need to have the latest Debian |
| 19:43.22 | rainfyre | ngc0202: no. some of them will work, but not everything i'm sure |
| 19:43.46 | ngc0202 | Why? |
| 19:43.51 | ngc0202 | Isn't kali based off debian? |
| 19:44.05 | rainfyre | it's a different kernel for one thing |
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| 19:44.30 | centrx | !derivative |
| 19:44.30 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:44.39 | jelly | how come "based off" and "based on" mean the same thing |
| 19:44.44 | rainfyre | lol |
| 19:45.08 | rainfyre | ngc0202: kernel is patched for wireless drivers, to name only one thing |
| 19:45.25 | ngc0202 | hm yeah |
| 19:45.25 | rainfyre | ngc0202: run kali in a vm in debian if you want both |
| 19:45.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | how come you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway. |
| 19:45.39 | rainfyre | ngc0202: or dual boot if you want a native install |
| 19:45.48 | ngc0202 | I still need to figure out how to get my wireless driver on Debian haha |
| 19:46.09 | rainfyre | ngc0202: or pick the packages you really want to play with and download and compile and install them in debian |
| 19:46.52 | ngc0202 | compile them? Wouldn't most of them be in apt-get ? |
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| 19:47.12 | greycat | ngc0202: you can't safely mix packages from different distributions |
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| 19:47.35 | ngc0202 | I didn't mean that I meant like |
| 19:47.44 | ngc0202 | Kali has nmap, Debian has nmap |
| 19:47.51 | ngc0202 | I can just apt-get install nmap |
| 19:48.20 | jhutchins | ngc0202: So what you want is a list of packages on kali so you can install the debian packages on your debian system? |
| 19:48.51 | rainfyre | ngc0202: the very simplest answer is that you're going to have dependency issues if you mix repos |
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| 19:48.58 | ngc0202 | ok |
| 19:49.03 | rainfyre | nmap is in debian |
| 19:49.13 | rainfyre | but metasploit isn't in debian |
| 19:49.16 | ngc0202 | jhutchins: that'd be useful too |
| 19:49.19 | rainfyre | so you have to download and compile it |
| 19:49.22 | ngc0202 | what?! no metasploit? :( |
| 19:49.23 | jhutchins | !apt clone |
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| 19:50.21 | rainfyre | ngc0202: everything i've ever wanted to play with from kali i have been able to download and compile and run in debian |
| 19:50.32 | ngc0202 | even metasploit? |
| 19:50.38 | rainfyre | of course |
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| 19:51.11 | ngc0202 | cool |
| 19:51.14 | rainfyre | but again, the kali team has patched the kernel to allow certain types of wireless functionality that you're just not going to have in debian |
| 19:51.35 | jhutchins | ngc0202: See private messages from dpkg for a couple of possible methods. |
| 19:52.28 | jhutchins | ngc0202: That's pretty much true of any linux package - you may have dependency or path problems, but you should be able to build any linux package on Debian. |
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| 19:52.40 | rainfyre | ^^ yes. apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:52.57 | ngc0202 | ok |
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| 19:54.54 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: if the reboot helped, if probably would have helped even without reinstalling |
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| 19:55.11 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: It didn't help. |
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| 19:55.34 | asdyas9d8hq | I guess if no one has any other suggestions then I have to re-install the OS. |
| 19:56.20 | jelly | asdyas9d8hq: try creating a fresh new user, logging off, and logging in as that one instead. |
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| 19:56.42 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: Good idea. brb. |
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| 19:59.45 | ngc0202 | mm |
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| 19:59.49 | ngc0202 | so apt-get install gnome just finished |
| 19:59.57 | ngc0202 | but startx: command not found |
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| 20:00.20 | greycat | ngc0202: install the xinit package |
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| 20:01.07 | ngc0202 | thank you:) |
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| 20:01.50 | abrotman | ngc0202: xorg package |
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| 20:02.04 | greycat | xorg will bring in a lot more stuff that, yes, you may want |
| 20:02.59 | ngc0202 | oh like what? |
| 20:03.57 | greycat | Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.7+7), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libgl1-mesa-dri, libglu1-mesa, xfonts-base (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-100dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-75dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-scalable (>= 1:1.0.0-1), x11-apps, x11-session-utils, x11-utils, x11-xkb-utils, x11-xserver-utils, xauth, xinit, xfonts-utils, xkb-data, xorg-docs-core, xterm | x-terminal-emulator |
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| 20:06.16 | gros | When I do a "setxkbmap -query", I get as answer: "rules: evdev, model: pc105, layout: fr, variant: latin9". Yet although the fr layout is AZERTY, When typing, the layout is QWERTY. Any idea where that inconsistency may come from? How can I try debugging it? |
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| 20:14.32 | asdyas9d8hq | jelly: Thanks for the tip but it didn't work. |
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| 20:31.32 | marioxcc | I want to make a tar or cpio archive to archive the contents of a filesystem. Ignoring convenience of usage, what is more suitable?. Which one will preserve the most metadata?. |
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| 20:31.57 | srg | I'd like to download the Debian 8 iso. I'm looking here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/i386/bt-cd/ but I'm confused as I see debian-8.2.0- and debian-update-8.2.0- What's the update one? |
| 20:32.48 | somiaj | srg: I belive it just contains the packages that have been updated, as opposed to a new image. I would grab the debian-8.2.0 image |
| 20:33.06 | marioxcc | srg: See the FAQ <https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/>, that is why it is for (it is linked from the page you posted). |
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| 20:34.10 | greycat | Holy fucking hell... the GNU cpio man page isn't even a man page at all. |
| 20:34.19 | marioxcc | srg: Also, those are images for x86 32 bits. If you have a modern computer, it's more likely x86_64. |
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| 20:35.14 | srg | Thanks somiaj and marioxcc |
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| 20:35.37 | greycat | marioxcc: http://www.gnu.org/software/cpio/manual/cpio.html#format |
| 20:36.15 | marioxcc | greycat: Yes, I have read it, but what about it?. |
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| 20:36.28 | greycat | marioxcc: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#SEC132 |
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| 20:37.05 | peterrooney_ | greycat: it's barely an index. who uses cpio anyways? |
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| 20:39.29 | greycat | marioxcc: also you completely ignored pax, but I guess that's common, because most people don't know about it |
| 20:40.50 | greycat | But anyway, it looks like the only choice that can store unlimited length filenames is GNU tar in "posix" format. |
| 20:41.40 | greycat | (pax defaults to ustar format) |
| 20:42.28 | marioxcc | greycat: Ok. |
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| 20:42.40 | marioxcc | Thanks. |
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| 20:45.09 | greycat | star (not a standard program at all) has the largest list of archive formats |
| 20:45.21 | twisted` | hey, I have a certain package stuck in apt that apt thinks that has to be configured. this is not true, it's configured and works |
| 20:45.25 | twisted` | how can I tell apt to leave it alone? |
| 20:45.40 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/318625/ |
| 20:46.32 | somiaj | twisted`: probabaly not, what does 'dpkg --configure -a' do? |
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| 20:47.19 | marioxcc | greycat: I see. I want to make a "snapshot" of a filesystem that is going to be decommissioned. It contains around 20 GB of data. Is a common archive format like cpio or tar the recommended way to collapse the file hierarchy into a single file for archival?. |
| 20:48.09 | greycat | The most important question is, why are you archiving into a single file? Are you writing to tape? If you're writing to a disk, why not simply rsync the file system over? |
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| 20:48.33 | srg | What's a recommended package for a cd burner? I use xfce, so preferably something without gnome deps |
| 20:49.19 | polyphagia | audio or data srg ? |
| 20:49.25 | greycat | srg: I prefer command line tools for it |
| 20:49.29 | marioxcc | greycat: It is not going to be stored in tape. I want to compress, which rsync does not allow for. |
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| 20:49.41 | srg | polyphagia: data, an iso |
| 20:49.47 | greycat | marioxcc: then GNU tar + a compressor sounds fine |
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| 20:49.56 | polyphagia | srg: https://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd |
| 20:49.58 | marioxcc | greycat: Ok, thanks. |
| 20:50.01 | srg | greycat: that's also fine..which ones? |
| 20:50.04 | srg | thanks polyphagia |
| 20:50.10 | polyphagia | i'd recommend using wodim and the genisoimage approach srg |
| 20:51.15 | greycat | srg: I'm very old fashioned so I use cdrtools (not packaged; I build it from upstream source). I don't know what the cool kids are using these days. |
| 20:51.30 | twisted` | somiaj: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:51.37 | greycat | Last time I looked, I think dvd+rw-tools was popular. |
| 20:51.39 | polyphagia | greycat: wodim is essentially cdrtools |
| 20:51.47 | twisted` | but, the server is already entirely configured, I also don't know at what point it suddenly got stuck |
| 20:51.48 | greycat | polyphagia: ewww. |
| 20:51.53 | somiaj | twisted`: then you have some package that is broken and need to fix it, look above that line and see what is actually failing. |
| 20:52.05 | twisted` | thing is, when mariadb is running, and I do apt-get install vim... it shutsdown mariadb that is live and running |
| 20:52.16 | polyphagia | why greycat ? |
| 20:52.18 | somiaj | twisted`: something in the postinst script is failing, the pckage is installed but until this script runs smoothly it will keep saying it has failed. Figure out what. |
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| 20:52.31 | polyphagia | i think wodim actually replaced cdrkid greycat |
| 20:52.37 | polyphagia | cdrkit* |
| 20:52.39 | polyphagia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrkit |
| 20:52.44 | twisted` | somiaj: is there some way I can just tell the postinst that it was done, and to not complain? |
| 20:52.45 | somiaj | use to be called cdrecord |
| 20:52.46 | polyphagia | >It was created in 2006 by Debian developers as a fork of cdrtools based on the last GPL-licensed version when cdrtools licensing changed.[1] |
| 20:52.48 | twisted` | I can't run a purge, or reinstall |
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| 20:53.00 | polyphagia | so i wouldn't recommend bothering with cdrtools |
| 20:53.02 | polyphagia | just use wodim |
| 20:53.04 | polyphagia | it's already packaged |
| 20:53.06 | somiaj | twisted`: put an 'exit 0' at the top of the post install script located somewhere in /var, then dpkg --configure -a again |
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| 20:53.46 | twisted` | somiaj: ok so need to find out where it keeps that file |
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| 20:56.14 | twisted` | somiaj: <3 |
| 20:56.15 | twisted` | thank yooouuuu |
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| 20:56.22 | greycat | https://inconsolation.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/cdrtools-cdrkit-and-cdrskin-untying-the-knot/ has part of the story. Just skip the "article" and jump down to the comments from the various authors. |
| 20:57.52 | greycat | Anyway, I never heard anything bad about dvd+rw-tools, but I haven't much experience with it either. |
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| 21:08.12 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 21:09.03 | marioxcc | Is there a software that can be used to sort file names according to predicted or computed similarity so that when creating an archive (tar, cpio, pax, zip, or similar) and then compressing, a greater compression ration wil |
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| 21:09.18 | marioxcc | *ratio will be achieved (because there will be shorter matches, or more matches within the compressor's window) |
| 21:09.25 | greycat | Dude... what. |
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| 21:09.48 | xanthippe | is it possible to have the postinst script build a binary from source? |
| 21:09.52 | marioxcc | greycat: What is the problem?. Maybe my question is difficult to read. |
| 21:10.05 | greycat | marioxcc: That's utterly batshit insane. |
| 21:10.29 | greycat | You are going to make your computer work on some NP-complete problem to try to save 17 bytes in a .tar.xz file?! |
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| 21:12.30 | marioxcc | greycat: I think that my question is too vague to tell whether it's NP complete, since I did not specify any measure of similarity. Also, I mentioned *estimated* similarity. I had in mind something slightly more sophisticate that sorting by extension, which already will group similar files together. :) |
| 21:12.51 | marioxcc | greycat: What is the specific formulation of the problem I posted that is NP-complete?. Please elaborate. |
| 21:13.01 | greycat | Just use a good compressing algorithm. Done. |
| 21:13.28 | greycat | The NP-complete part is the incredibly huge number of permutations that you have to arrange and compress and compare resulting sizes of. |
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| 21:13.59 | greycat | Cannot tell if being trolled or if you really are this fucking insane. |
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| 21:14.26 | marioxcc | greycat: Ok. I did not have that in mind at all. That'd be quite wasteful of energy. I meant a simple estimate like (I already mentioned), sorting by extension. |
| 21:14.51 | greycat | Good compressing algorithms will notice the similar input blocks even if they are spread apart. |
| 21:15.11 | Bittarman | o,0 |
| 21:15.27 | marioxcc | greycat: Yes, if they are near each other, that's the important detail. |
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| 21:15.43 | marioxcc | I am not trolling at all, but I think that you understood something different that what I mean to say. |
| 21:15.52 | Bittarman | marioxcc, welcome to 2015 where storage space is now very very cheap. |
| 21:16.14 | Bittarman | you can walk around with a terrabyte in your pocket for < $30 |
| 21:16.15 | greycat | Bittarman: this is all in pursuit of archiving & compressing a 20 GB file system. |
| 21:16.34 | Bittarman | greycat... ok, I'll go with batshit insane then. |
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| 21:18.31 | hafi | [2015/10/28 18:53:02.876389, 0] ../lib/util/fault.c:72(fault_report) |
| 21:18.31 | hafi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.31 | hafi | [2015/10/28 18:53:02.876646, 0] ../lib/util/fault.c:73(fault_report) |
| 21:18.31 | hafi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.31 | hafi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:18.52 | hafi | sorry |
| 21:19.05 | hafi | any suggestions as to finding the cause? |
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| 21:22.54 | paszczus | Hello. I have compiled vanilla kernel with imq patches and now i am trying to install xtables-addons-dkms for DNETMAP module. It failes to compile because of missing test -e include/generated/autoconf.h -a -e include/config/auto.conf files but those files are already in /usr/src/linux. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 21:25.24 | towo` | paszczus, s -al /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 21:25.27 | towo` | grr |
| 21:25.32 | towo` | paszczus, ls -al /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
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| 21:28.52 | paszczus | towo`: http://pastebin.com/j4PXQ6C2 |
| 21:28.56 | jhutchins | hafi: Read the Trouble-Shooting section of the Samba HOWTO |
| 21:29.18 | hafi | jhutchins, thanks ;) |
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| 21:30.01 | towo` | paszczus, /home/kernel/linux-4.2.5 are these your configured sources, from where you have build the kernel? |
| 21:30.17 | paszczus | towo`: yes |
| 21:30.54 | towo` | paszczus, because above you write about /usr/src/linux |
| 21:30.56 | paszczus | towo`: i dont have enough space on / to build directly from /usr/src/linux so i have created an symlink |
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| 21:31.22 | paszczus | towo`: sorry. real error is like that: |
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| 21:31.50 | paszczus | towo`: http://pastebin.com/eNC06neU |
| 21:32.19 | jhutchins | Somehow samba has managed to stay just as obtuse and difficult over the course of nearly twenty years. |
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| 21:33.17 | towo` | pseubodot, how you have build your kernel? |
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| 21:33.46 | towo` | grr |
| 21:33.56 | towo` | paszczus, how you have build your kernel |
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| 21:34.16 | paszczus | towo`: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --config menuconfig --initrd --us --uc kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 21:34.34 | towo` | pa, outdated commands |
| 21:34.53 | towo` | i don't think the sources in /usr/src/linux are well prepared |
| 21:34.56 | paszczus | blah, found them at google |
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| 21:35.29 | towo` | make deb-pkg from source-dir, then install image and headers deb, gotcha |
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| 21:35.52 | towo` | paszczus, you can do, what you can read in your paste |
| 21:35.58 | paszczus | towo`: and how this is different from now? |
| 21:36.04 | towo` | make oldconfig && make prepare |
| 21:36.09 | paszczus | towo`: cause right now those commands generated deb files which i have installed |
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| 21:36.16 | paszczus | towo`: yeah, already done that but with no luck |
| 21:36.18 | towo` | paszczus, make-kpkg is dead |
| 21:36.36 | towo` | and it generates wrong links in /lib/modules |
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| 21:37.01 | towo` | ore sometimes it generates no links there |
| 21:37.06 | paszczus | ok |
| 21:37.09 | paszczus | so cd /usr/src/linux |
| 21:37.13 | paszczus | make deb-pkg |
| 21:37.21 | paszczus | right ? |
| 21:37.30 | towo` | no |
| 21:37.42 | towo` | 1st, no link /usr/src/linux needed |
| 21:38.10 | towo` | 2nd, remove the build and source symlinks from /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 21:38.27 | towo` | 3. cd /home/kernel/linux-4.2.5 |
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| 21:38.55 | towo` | then make deb-pkg as user, don't compile as root |
| 21:39.07 | paszczus | 1. done |
| 21:39.22 | towo` | better would be to purge that kernel 1st |
| 21:39.32 | paszczus | 2. done |
| 21:39.40 | paszczus | yep purged already and patched again ;] |
| 21:40.09 | paszczus | damn! |
| 21:40.13 | paszczus | i have lost my .config |
| 21:40.14 | paszczus | bleah |
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| 21:41.30 | paszczus | ok, maybe not |
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| 21:43.31 | paszczus | towo`: ok, doing make deb-pkg |
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| 21:52.18 | jwbrown77 | Hi folks. I'm looking for some help on debian-installer (preseeding). I tried #debian-boot but only one other person there. Is this a good place to ask or is there a better place? |
| 21:52.20 | hafi | where are samba crashes/panics stored on debian? |
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| 21:54.48 | jwbrown77 | Well, in the case someone here can help... I have a custom shell script that runs as an early_command that runs mkfs on an existing partition, mounts that partiton to /target, and generates a /target/etc/fstab |
| 21:54.49 | teraflops | /var/lib/systemd/coredump? just guessing |
| 21:55.20 | jwbrown77 | I'm wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to completely skip the partman dialogs and just use that fstab to begin installation. |
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| 22:08.20 | paszczus | towo`: ok, compilation completed |
| 22:08.55 | paszczus | towo`: dpkg -i linux-firmware-image-4.2.5_4.2.5-1_amd64.deb linux-image-4.2.5_4.2.5-1_amd64.deb |
| 22:09.04 | paszczus | towo`: there is no -headers or -tool packages? |
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| 22:09.50 | towo` | i'm often used it, and i get allways 4 packages |
| 22:10.04 | towo` | image, headers, firmware and libc |
| 22:10.05 | paszczus | i got 5 |
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| 22:10.30 | paszczus | ook there is -headers |
| 22:11.21 | paszczus | trying xtables-addons... |
| 22:11.33 | paszczus | Building only for 4.2.5 |
| 22:11.33 | paszczus | Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the |
| 22:11.34 | paszczus | kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
| 22:13.43 | paszczus | towo`: i have installed -headers package and now i have exactly same error as before :( |
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| 22:15.02 | towo` | paszczus, maybe on your system is something wrong, or xtables-addons-dkms is not ready for kernel 4.2 |
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| 22:15.45 | paszczus | both options are bad :( |
| 22:16.08 | towo` | paszczus, do the symlinks in /lib/modules/foo/ point to the right headers? |
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| 22:17.46 | paszczus | towo`: there is only one symlink now, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 pa¼ 28 22:55 build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-4.2.5 |
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| 22:18.03 | towo` | that's right |
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| 22:20.49 | ewew | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel it looks like #debian-kernel is not valid. Can someone confirm this ? |
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| 22:21.11 | ewew | or it has +s, +p flags ? |
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| 22:22.43 | abrotman | ewew: or you're on the wrong network |
| 22:22.58 | ewew | oops |
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| 22:24.06 | ewew | Can this be accessible via irc.oftc.net ? |
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| 22:24.31 | ewew | hmm. not. |
| 22:26.09 | abrotman | what? |
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| 22:26.28 | ewew | It can not be reached via irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:26.39 | abrotman | why not? |
| 22:26.54 | ewew | nevermind. |
| 22:27.20 | abrotman | Works fine for me, seems to be your issue again |
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| 22:29.03 | ewew | Maybe pidgin can not find it. |
| 22:29.19 | abrotman | PEBKAC |
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| 22:31.13 | Ontec | Hello, i have an issue getting image to show over the network(cifs) and can not figure out why |
| 22:31.17 | jwbrown77 | Anyone know where I might elsewhere seek advice on debian-installer? |
| 22:31.35 | Ontec | i do have smbclient installed |
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| 22:32.11 | abrotman | jwbrown77: what sort of advice? |
| 22:32.51 | jwbrown77 | Well, in the case someone here can help... I have a custom shell script that runs as an early_command that runs mkfs on an existing partition, mounts that partiton to /target, and generates a /target/etc/fstab |
| 22:33.02 | jwbrown77 | I'm wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to completely skip the partman dialogs and just use that fstab to begin installation. |
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| 22:33.53 | abrotman | preseed perhaps? otherwise, ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:34.05 | jwbrown77 | The end goal here being... I need to use an existing partition table, rather than creating a new one. I have everything automated to detect the existing / mount etc, and format, generaate the fstab... |
| 22:34.18 | jwbrown77 | But I need to get past partman and kick off the install into the partititon of my choosing. |
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| 22:35.32 | jwbrown77 | (without defining an expert recipe or any other recipe...) |
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| 22:38.05 | ArtooDetoo | hi, I am using Debian Stretch and since today my login screen is black with a frozen key cursor on the top left. Can someone help me fix it? |
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| 22:39.09 | towo` | ArtooDetoo, which graphics card? |
| 22:39.57 | ArtooDetoo | some integrated controller on my i5-4210M |
| 22:40.03 | cilkay | ArtooDetoo: There was probably a kernel update and the driver for your video card isn't loading. Hit Ctrl-Alt-F4 to see if you can get a non-graphical login console. |
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| 22:40.14 | ArtooDetoo | cli login works |
| 22:40.21 | towo` | ArtooDetoo, then we would need to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:40.24 | zir0faive | hi |
| 22:40.29 | zir0faive | got the same problem here |
| 22:40.41 | cilkay | Reboot and select the older kernel from the list. |
| 22:40.41 | ArtooDetoo | systemctl status sddm tells me, that sddm is working |
| 22:40.50 | ArtooDetoo | older kernel (3.1.6xx) did not help |
| 22:40.56 | zir0faive | in journalctl i got a segfault for sddm-greeter |
| 22:41.32 | towo` | maybe you both where hit by the ongoing qt5.1 transition |
| 22:41.34 | ArtooDetoo | xorg log tells me one error: systemd-logind: failed to get session: PID 1047 does not belong to any known session |
| 22:41.48 | towo` | ArtooDetoo, this error is harmless |
| 22:41.51 | ArtooDetoo | ok |
| 22:42.05 | towo` | and not the culprint |
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| 22:42.44 | towo` | again, i would bet on the qt-transition, which is not done |
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| 22:43.06 | zir0faive | was working fine yesterday, this morning in got some updates and suddenly i could not start kate nor kwrite anymore, they segfault |
| 22:43.14 | towo` | stretch is not the best choice at the moment, especialy for kde-users |
| 22:43.24 | zir0faive | i restarded and boom, black screen right after the sddm greet |
| 22:44.00 | zir0faive | too bad, i reinstalled jessie, i don't think i still have the exact failure |
| 22:44.20 | zir0faive | in journalctl |
| 22:44.49 | zir0faive | my previous update dates from monday |
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| 22:45.11 | zir0faive | is there any way to find out which packages have been updated in this time window ? |
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| 22:49.14 | Ontec | What do i need to view images over the network in debian? |
| 22:49.15 | somiaj | twisted`: note that script could have not done some important things since you just bypassed it. You may have troubles with upgrades or removals in the future. It is better practice to track down what is failing and fix it as opposed to just bypassing the whole script. |
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| 22:50.25 | somiaj | Ontec: what do you mean by view images? You need to have access to the image and an image viewer. |
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| 22:50.50 | Ontec | i have |
| 22:51.04 | abrotman | ewew: no need to message me. It works fine for me, it's a problem with you or your client |
| 22:51.31 | Ontec | but whenever i open an images over the network it's blank or eternally pending |
| 22:51.44 | Ontec | depending on the image viewer |
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| 22:52.12 | somiaj | Ontec: so be more clear, is this an issue with opening a file over cifs or nfs in a file manager? |
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| 22:52.28 | Ontec | i have smbclient installed n vlic plays video's n music but no pics in any viewer |
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| 22:52.52 | somiaj | and you have the remote file system mounted? |
| 22:53.08 | ArtooDetoo | zir0faive: could it be the package libqt5x11extras5? |
| 22:53.43 | Ontec | somiaj: i can browse the files just fine it the file manager(thunar) |
| 22:53.46 | ArtooDetoo | or maybe xinit? |
| 22:53.52 | ewew | abrotman I dissagree. Flags +s causes the channel not display in list command. |
| 22:54.15 | zir0faive | ArtooDetoo: I have formated the disk to put a jessie on it since :/ can't tell |
| 22:54.22 | Ontec | when i copy the file to a local directory the image viewers open them without issues |
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| 22:54.36 | somiaj | Ontec: unsure as I usually don't do this. But if the filesystem is mounted I don't see what the issue could be. ONly other issue is copy the image locally (to /tmp) then view it, in essence this is what you would be doing anyways, just loading it into memeory. |
| 22:54.51 | ArtooDetoo | I don't want to reinstall Debian ... is there any way I can fix thiss? |
| 22:55.19 | Ontec | somiaj: no it's not mounted isn't smbclient supposex to bypass that need? |
| 22:55.52 | somiaj | Maybe that is your issue, I'd perosnally just mount the share with cifs, then read from that. |
| 22:55.55 | svetlana | ewew: use http://webchat.oftc.net |
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| 22:56.04 | somiaj | I don't have much experience with this Ontec, so unsure what the problem could be. |
| 22:56.08 | zir0faive | btw, installing stretch with the netinstall ends up the same |
| 22:56.10 | towo` | ArtooDetoo, why you use testing if you can't handle it? |
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| 22:56.36 | ArtooDetoo | towo`, testing used to be much more stable |
| 22:56.40 | zir0faive | towo`: you can't say that, what happend to CUT? |
| 22:56.56 | towo` | there is no CUT |
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| 22:57.01 | towo` | where you see it? |
| 22:57.05 | Ontec | somiaj: yeah, it's i bit of an uncommon question |
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| 22:57.13 | zir0faive | actually i don't :P |
| 22:57.39 | zir0faive | so, my question remains, how can i find out which packages have received updates in stretch since monday? |
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| 22:58.10 | somiaj | Ontec: yea I just mount remote file systems (when I use them very rarely). but my needs are simple, I just rsync my machines so I have the same files locally. |
| 22:58.17 | zir0faive | i know there was some libreoffice updates, but i'm mostly sure it's not the culprit |
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| 22:58.42 | ArtooDetoo | zir0faive, if you want I can post my complere upgrade log |
| 22:58.46 | ArtooDetoo | complete* |
| 22:58.49 | somiaj | Ontec: but I digress, unsure what the issue is. Could be something about the apps and how they deal with smbclient. You may want to actually mount the filesystem vis cifs and see if the issue still presists. I think there is a #samba channel that could give better help. |
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| 22:58.51 | towo` | zir0faive, look in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:58.56 | Ontec | somiaj: that's not an option for me |
| 22:59.04 | zir0faive | towo`: i've formated the disk since |
| 22:59.17 | towo` | you are a hero |
| 22:59.18 | Ontec | i only have extremy limited storage locally |
| 22:59.35 | zir0faive | i'm a dick, i had a look at that file but didnt' backup it |
| 22:59.43 | somiaj | Ontec: I would look at mount and if it isn't mounting the share, mount it. If that doesn't work maybe #samba can help |
| 23:00.03 | Ontec | yeah autofs could work |
| 23:00.08 | zir0faive | ArtooDetoo: well it depends, when was the previous update you did? |
| 23:00.25 | Ontec | but that increases network traffic quite a bit |
| 23:00.49 | Ontec | it also should work with smbclient |
| 23:01.12 | ArtooDetoo | one about 11 hours ago, and one about 60 hours ago |
| 23:01.42 | somiaj | Ontec: again I'd ask #samba since you aren't getting anyone here who seems to know at this time. They may understand what the issues with smbclient are |
| 23:01.47 | zir0faive | sounds good |
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| 23:03.21 | Ontec | i suppose i could #sambacis ussually a dead channel |
| 23:03.43 | Ontec | #samba |
| 23:03.56 | somiaj | Ontec: or ask back here in a few hours, maybe you'll get someone who knows more about samba. |
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| 23:09.07 | ArtooDetoo | zir0faive, http://paste.debian.net/plain/318664 |
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| 23:09.44 | zir0faive | i'll take a look |
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| 23:11.47 | zir0faive | ArtooDetoo: I remember having a very similar change list |
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| 23:12.47 | zir0faive | have you tried downgrading libqt5x11extras5? you suggested it might be the culprit and i think it may as well be |
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| 23:17.23 | ArtooDetoo | zir0faive, seems to work :) |
| 23:17.37 | zir0faive | cool! |
| 23:17.50 | ArtooDetoo | thanks |
| 23:17.57 | zir0faive | thanks to you :) |
| 23:19.01 | abrotman | ewew: right, PEBKAC |
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| 23:20.28 | ewew | abrotman Why ? |
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| 23:21.52 | zir0faive | ArtooDetoo: seems the bug is already fixed |
| 23:21.52 | abrotman | a) it tells you which network, something you missed b) there are lots of hidden channels on IRC, pretty easy to still /join |
| 23:21.54 | zir0faive | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802811 |
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| 23:22.10 | zir0faive | fixed version is in unstable |
| 23:22.18 | zir0faive | should go to testing in a few days |
| 23:22.42 | ewew | abrotman You know, that typing /join randomly is not a good idea. |
| 23:23.03 | abrotman | ewew: you were given the channel name and the network. That's hardly random |
| 23:23.28 | syntroPi | how do i forcefully remove a package without touching dependent packages? |
| 23:23.48 | abrotman | syntroPi: you really don't, what are you actually trying to do |
| 23:23.52 | ewew | abrotman If i type it in freenode chat window its command for freenode net. |
| 23:24.02 | ArtooDetoo | zir0faive, nice! |
| 23:24.19 | abrotman | ewew: It gave you the network, that's your fault. See a) |
| 23:24.22 | syntroPi | abrotman, im trying to fix something so how can i do that? |
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| 23:24.30 | abrotman | syntroPi: yes, fix what? |
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| 23:25.03 | syntroPi | i want to remove nginx-common completely regardless of any other dependencies |
| 23:25.23 | syntroPi | would i use dpkg for that? |
| 23:25.24 | abrotman | Yes, why? |
| 23:25.34 | at0m | doesnt sound like fixing. sounds like panic. |
| 23:25.35 | syntroPi | ooh because i want? |
| 23:25.52 | abrotman | sure, go ahead. You won't be able to install other packages until you resolve the dependency |
| 23:25.59 | zir0faive | ArtooDetoo: from what i can read in the bug report, it is due to an unwanted migration of this package from unstable to testing, so currently your only way out if you don't want to upgrade all your kde to unstable is to keep the downgrade you've performed |
| 23:26.13 | abrotman | syntroPi: Hence my asking what you're really trying to do |
| 23:26.58 | syntroPi | abrotman, yes i know, so would i dpkg -r nginx-common? it complains about some config files how can i force to remove it in any case? |
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| 23:27.19 | recoda | exit |
| 23:27.25 | abrotman | syntroPi: put it in paste.debian.net |
| 23:27.29 | recoda | exit |
| 23:27.32 | recoda | quit |
| 23:27.35 | recoda | qyit |
| 23:27.38 | recoda | quit |
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| 23:27.42 | abrotman | recoda: try /quit |
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| 23:33.15 | abrotman | or not .. |
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| 23:34.46 | syntroPi | abrotman, thanks i solved it with dpkg --remove/--purge --force-all nginx-common |
| 23:35.04 | syntroPi | wish dpkg would have a --nuke option |
| 23:35.05 | abrotman | syntroPi: Right, but the next time you try to install something, it will whine |
| 23:35.17 | abrotman | hence my asking what you were actually trying to do |
| 23:35.23 | syntroPi | no its all fine, as i said i was fixing the nginx deps |
| 23:35.42 | abrotman | is confused how that's considered fixing |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | carry on! |
| 23:36.00 | syntroPi | manually not automatically |
| 23:36.03 | syntroPi | thx |
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| 23:43.47 | Ontec | How to view images of a network share? |
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| 23:44.43 | abrotman | Ontec: you were asked what type of images |
| 23:45.15 | Ontec | standard jpg png etc |
| 23:46.07 | roflbot | Ontec: depends on how you share it, how you want to view them, what OS needs to view them etc etc |
| 23:46.29 | roflbot | Ontec: I prefer sharing with NFS, and view them with feh |
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| 23:46.38 | Ontec | windows share on debian |
| 23:46.44 | abrotman | Ontec: use a network-enabled file browser ? |
| 23:47.05 | Ontec | i think thunar is network enabled |
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| 23:48.12 | Ontec | roflbot: i like to view them in gwenview on debian, the host is windows |
| 23:50.07 | Ontec | abrotman: i use Thunar, i can browse through the network folders with it, i assume that is what network enabled means |
| 23:52.01 | Ontec | i do think think tbunar needs gvfs installed to do this though, i'm not sure if this is normal or not |
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| 23:53.40 | abrotman | you don't need that installed, you just have to find another way to mount the remote filesystem |
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