| 00:03.18 | testa | tera my college use debian on this |
| 00:03.32 | testa | he have a simular like my |
| 00:04.38 | testa | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egc-gBQWsdg |
| 00:04.45 | teraflops | testa: ah it's fine then, I suppose |
| 00:05.08 | testa | http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page |
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| 00:08.17 | testa | maybe the sd card the problem |
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| 00:08.56 | yepla | hi |
| 00:10.05 | yepla | root@desktop:/usr/lib# dpkg -L amd-libopencl1 |
| 00:10.05 | yepla | dpkg-query : erreur : --listfiles requier a legal packet name and it s not |
| 00:10.20 | yepla | dpkg -l amd-libopencl1 |
| 00:10.21 | dpkg | ii amd-libopencl1 2.4-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 00:10.30 | yepla | ii amd-libopencl1 1:15.9-2 amd64 AMD OpenCL ICD Loader library |
| 00:10.30 | yepla | ii amd-libopencl1 1:15.9-2 i386 AMD OpenCL ICD Loader library |
| 00:10.45 | yepla | so what the pb with dpkg -L |
| 00:11.59 | testa | Thanks any way |
| 00:14.02 | ewew | disconects |
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| 00:21.20 | SuperTramp83 | solved. tx for (not) helping me |
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| 00:32.08 | domble | Bonjour, Je suis actuellement chez un pote. sur son wifi, j'ai AUCUN pb de connexion. |
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| 00:32.29 | domble | lui depuis son pc, sur le meme wifi, n'a pas de connexion a l'exception de youtube et de completion de recherche google. |
| 00:32.33 | domble | mais pas au site. |
| 00:33.07 | domble | genre il tape "je suis un " sur google, google propose lees differents choix (gros con) affiche tout les result |
| 00:33.14 | domble | mais pas les sites associee. |
| 00:33.23 | domble | aucun site ne marche, ni skype, ni rien. |
| 00:33.27 | domble | a l'exception de youtube.. |
| 00:33.32 | domble | ou les video se charge, les commentaires, tout. |
| 00:33.45 | domble | reboot, lifeCD |
| 00:34.12 | domble | rien n'y fait. |
| 00:34.36 | domble | quelqu'un a une idee ? |
| 00:35.29 | bazhang | english here domble |
| 00:35.42 | domble | ho, i'm sorry |
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| 00:44.58 | abrotman | !fr |
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| 01:45.06 | yaymuffins | Hello, I need some help with networking and debian |
| 01:45.54 | yaymuffins | a relatively long time ago, I used a RPi as a router, it was setup so some device would access internet using a VPN, while some other would get direct access |
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| 01:46.41 | yaymuffins | I've lost that since I upgraded to a x86/debian setup, and I don't remember how I've done it on the Pi |
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| 01:47.33 | yaymuffins | I remember it was using devices mac addresses, iptables, marking packets, but I don't know for the setup anymore, and I like to reproduce that on my debian install |
| 01:48.02 | yaymuffins | basically, the VPN is just another interface (WAN is WAN, LAN is LAN,tun0 is VPN) |
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| 01:52.47 | ausbin | yaymuffins: would https://github.com/ausbin/nsdo/blob/master/openvpn-example.md help? |
| 01:53.13 | ausbin | yaymuffins: i've never done what you're trying to do on a router level, but i do it on my computers themselves |
| 01:54.11 | ausbin | sorry that it's so convoluted -- i wrote it as a personal reference tbh |
| 01:54.46 | yaymuffins | unfortunately no, problem is not to connect to the VPN, but to tell that the machine with "xx:xx:xx..." MAC address should be routed to the vpn for internet, while the PC with "yy:yy:yy..." MAC address should be routed to wan for internet |
| 01:56.49 | yaymuffins | that said, I also have a weird problem under debian and VPN doing that non-root process seem to not have access to tun0 at all |
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| 01:57.53 | yaymuffins | launching "curl ifconfig.co" on tun0 from root give me the VPN address, but it give me my wan address when I do it from an user. |
| 01:58.40 | ausbin | i'm not sure how to help with that, unfortunately |
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| 01:59.03 | ausbin | but you're wanted to forward traffic to different interfaces based on the source mac address? |
| 01:59.21 | yaymuffins | Yup |
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| 01:59.54 | yaymuffins | to be completely honest, I'm not in the USA, I have a FireTV, goal is to watch video from US only platform from the FireTV |
| 02:00.27 | ausbin | so maybe something like -A POSTROUTING -m mac --mac-source XXXX -o tun0 -j MASQUERADE ? |
| 02:00.38 | yaymuffins | while not affecting speed for other computers (I have a gigabit connection, no VPN can give me my full speed) |
| 02:00.39 | ausbin | if you're using masquerade, of course |
| 02:01.09 | yaymuffins | that remind me of something |
| 02:01.10 | ausbin | regional restrictions are silly and futile if you ask me, so no judgment here :) |
| 02:01.22 | yaymuffins | I think there was a "mark" involved. |
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| 02:02.12 | ausbin | that might be a better solution, though to be honest i'm not sure what a mark is. i'm no iptables ninja |
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| 02:02.40 | yaymuffins | well, to do it short, from what I remember |
| 02:02.59 | yaymuffins | it was marking packet, and from there it was choosing a route for it. |
| 02:03.04 | somiaj | yaymuffins: are you sure iptables routing will allow you to do this? Aren't these blocks based off of ip and you need some sort of proxy in the US for this? |
| 02:03.20 | yaymuffins | somiaj, VPN will allow this |
| 02:03.24 | ausbin | hm, i assumed his vpn was in the us |
| 02:03.28 | yaymuffins | VPN is tun0 interface :) |
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| 02:04.16 | yaymuffins | Right now I use an OpenWRT device, while it work, it's too slow for openvpn, 3mbps max and cpu on the device is used at 100% |
| 02:04.23 | somiaj | yaymuffins: ahh, well anyways sounds like you are trying to emulate a proxy. My only suggestion is ##networking maybe able to find someone with more experience if you don't get a good answer here. |
| 02:05.11 | yaymuffins | somiaj, Already asked without awnser in there. |
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| 02:05.45 | yaymuffins | I asked in ##networking, here and on the OpenWRT channel (Yeah, it's not for OpenWRT, but they was the one helping me setting that up last year) |
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| 02:06.32 | somiaj | yaymuffins: well hope you figure it out. |
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| 02:07.04 | wasmith | have you considered using a routing platform, like pfsense? |
| 02:07.13 | wasmith | that has VPN functionality built in |
| 02:07.17 | wasmith | makes your life very easy |
| 02:07.24 | ausbin | yaymuffins, here's an idea that probably sucks but might help: http://ix.io/lHA |
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| 02:08.12 | yaymuffins | wasmith, I do something that is not really recommanded, but the machine other purpose is a local data server, using OpenMediaVault (it's debian, with some package on top to make NAS easy) also make my life easy :P |
| 02:08.51 | wasmith | ahhhh |
| 02:09.01 | wasmith | i mean sure its possible using IP tables |
| 02:09.13 | wasmith | probably easier using IP address though |
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| 02:10.02 | yaymuffins | well, a year ago, using machine IP address was my original plan |
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| 02:10.16 | yaymuffins | then, some told me it would be easier with the mac address /o/ |
| 02:11.04 | yaymuffins | I'm OK with both case really, I can set a static IP on the FireTV. |
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| 02:51.21 | cjen129 | can someone help me figure out why my computer idles at 35% CPU usage when i use opengl instead of xrender? i think it may have something to do with fglrx graphics driver but i'm not sure |
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| 02:52.59 | wasmith | cjen129: #opengl might be a better bet |
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| 02:53.36 | cjen129 | wasmith, thanks i'll ask there |
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| 02:55.33 | universalalt | my openvpn session isn't working |
| 02:55.43 | universalalt | its complaining that tls times out |
| 02:55.45 | universalalt | How do I fix this. |
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| 02:55.57 | svetlana | ask in 1 chan not 2 |
| 02:56.03 | svetlana | if you have to ask in 2, admit it in each |
| 02:56.54 | universalalt | svetlana, gry please help. |
| 02:57.07 | svetlana | i am doing that in the channel where i saw your question first |
| 02:57.19 | universalalt | ok gry |
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| 03:20.25 | Gargopodus | hi |
| 03:20.52 | Gargopodus | I'm a little desperate |
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| 03:21.12 | somiaj | !ask |
| 03:21.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:22.02 | Gargopodus | ok, sorry! I've just changed my desktop's PC board and the keyboard doesn't work |
| 03:22.15 | universalalt | somiaj, let him ask before you instantly bot him |
| 03:22.17 | universalalt | !respect |
| 03:22.17 | dpkg | R E S P E C T! If you want to be respected, please show respect. |
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| 03:22.31 | Gargopodus | what should I do? |
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| 03:22.52 | Gargopodus | I've already tryed the IOMMU thing |
| 03:22.58 | Gargopodus | didn't work |
| 03:22.59 | somiaj | Gargopodus: usb or ps2? |
| 03:23.01 | universalalt | explain the problem in detail |
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| 03:23.07 | Gargopodus | usb keyboard |
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| 03:23.18 | Gargopodus | ok details |
| 03:23.22 | Gargopodus | : |
| 03:24.16 | wasmith | Gargopodus: anything in dmesg? |
| 03:24.32 | Gargopodus | I had a PC with an asrock board and chaged it to a gigabyte one, the keyboard works on the bios and on grub, but when debian jessie 8 boots up the keyboard stops working |
| 03:25.00 | Gargopodus | haven't check dmesg |
| 03:25.24 | Gargopodus | let me see if I can check just with the mouse |
| 03:25.34 | Gargopodus | by the way the mouse works |
| 03:25.41 | Gargopodus | usb mouse too |
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| 03:26.48 | somiaj | Gargopodus: do you have an ssh server running whihc you can ssh into the machine to check things? I wonder if it is an issue with xorg not detecting the keyboard vs it not working. I would suggest disabling your display manager and seeing if the keyboard works in a console. You could also just check the Xorg.0.log file if you can access the machine remotly froma working keyboard |
| 03:27.18 | wasmith | yeah was going to say is ssh turned on |
| 03:27.41 | Gargopodus | aah ok! I could use ssh too |
| 03:27.45 | somiaj | I think the first thing I would check after dmesg is /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:27.49 | Gargopodus | let me see |
| 03:28.45 | Gargopodus | I was reading this question on stack overflow but the solution didn't work for me |
| 03:28.57 | Gargopodus | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116234/usb-keyboard-doesnt-work-with-debian-installer |
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| 03:36.04 | particleman72 | if i have held a package and then do an upgrade will apt make sure no packages that depend on the new version of the held package are upgraded? if that makes sense |
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| 03:40.16 | Gargopodus | jejeje the network is not working on the keyborless PC |
| 03:40.20 | Gargopodus | :( |
| 03:41.06 | Gargopodus | it says that it's connected but it's not receiving or sending anything |
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| 03:54.03 | Gargopodus | ok, I'm watching the dmesg thanks to the gnome's on screen keyboard |
| 03:54.28 | Gargopodus | and it has some usb related errors |
| 03:55.16 | Gargopodus | and related to my nic |
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| 04:13.00 | jonny_ | Hi. what package do I install to get the standard C library function man pages? |
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| 04:17.05 | BuzzardBuzz | jonny_: apt-get install manpages-dev |
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| 04:18.03 | jonny_ | thanks, appreciate it |
| 04:18.45 | BuzzardBuzz | yw :) |
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| 04:36.57 | noethics | anyone know of a linux utility like scp that will keep a connection alive, so as to send multiple files |
| 04:37.29 | Gargopodus | seems that I'll solve this keyboard problem other day |
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| 04:38.34 | Gargopodus | you can send multiple files with scp, no? |
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| 04:39.25 | noethics | it can send multiple files with one command |
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| 04:39.40 | noethics | but i'm not sure when i will need to push the files |
| 04:40.57 | Gargopodus | ok, don't know then |
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| 04:43.31 | Gargopodus | bye! I have to sleep, thanks for the help! |
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| 05:49.32 | debian1111 | Hi there |
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| 05:50.21 | wadadli | Hi |
| 05:50.59 | debian1111 | How do i pass a boot parameter to the debian installer? |
| 05:51.22 | debian1111 | like priority=medium |
| 05:51.58 | wadadli | Not sure |
| 05:52.25 | wadadli | You want to turn on the computer? |
| 05:52.52 | debian1111 | no |
| 05:53.26 | debian1111 | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s01.html.en |
| 05:53.46 | debian1111 | it says set a boot argument priority=medium |
| 05:53.49 | debian1111 | but idk how |
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| 05:54.00 | wadadli | Okay you have to press the button |
| 05:54.35 | debian1111 | ok |
| 05:54.44 | debian1111 | then? |
| 05:55.16 | debian1111 | nvm gtg bye |
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| 06:40.56 | cilkay | Hello. I'm running Debian Jessie in VirtualBox. The intention of this VM is to be a server appliance. I'd like to dress up Grub with a splash screen like we used to have. I understand that VirtualBox doesn't support KMS so Plymouth won't work. Are there other options? |
| 06:41.24 | cilkay | When I search, I find references to splashy and other such packages but none of them seem to be for Jessie. |
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| 07:06.19 | reev | Hello everyone, I am trying to keep my iptables rules persistent across reboot, for that i installed iptables-persistent package in debian and now i want to run "invoke-rc.d iptables-persistent save" on reboot and how can i do it?? |
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| 07:11.08 | ihre | reev: i've saved my iptables rules to /etc/firewall.conf (iptables-save > /etc/firewall.conf), and added post-up iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.conf to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:16.26 | Tarminquay | They're smashing the blond bloodline. |
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| 07:19.22 | reev | ihre: thanks but what about tc rules ??? |
| 07:19.36 | reev | and preserving custom routing tables?? |
| 07:19.41 | reev | across reboot |
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| 08:01.08 | wbill | anyone know how to change stdin from the default soundcard to something else? |
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| 08:04.20 | Jaga-Jaga | I want to upgrade kernel |
| 08:04.53 | Jaga-Jaga | what are the latest available in backports? |
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| 08:26.02 | das_work | Hello. I want the MTU of my loopback iface to be persistently set to 32768. I did so in /etc/network/interfaces (http://pastebin.com/puuN15c9) but after a reboot it's set to 65K. Why is that so? |
| 08:26.33 | Amun_Ra | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 08:26.34 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.2+68~bpo8+2; sid: 4.2+68; stretch: 4.2+68 |
| 08:26.42 | Jaga-Jaga | where can i seek help regarding ssd optimisation for debian ? |
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| 08:27.29 | Amun_Ra | uhm, the Internet? |
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| 08:28.26 | Amun_Ra | Jaga-Jaga: add discard and noatime in fstab, use fstrim, and so on⦠|
| 08:29.13 | Amun_Ra | Jaga-Jaga: mount /tmp and preferably /var/log using tmpfs |
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| 08:30.50 | Jaga-Jaga | Amun_Ra: I own an EVO 840 Samsung, its known to have issues with linux. i cant upgrade the firmware and it got slow |
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| 08:34.51 | Amun_Ra | Jaga-Jaga: is this the one with modified ACPI? |
| 08:35.16 | Lauwenmark | Hi. I'm hit by a bug similar to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42572 . Is there a way to prevent a keyboard device to be also seen as a mouse by xorg? |
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| 08:37.01 | grauzikas | Jaga-Jaga hi, what bug you have in mind (i have one server with samsung EVO and his write is very slow) |
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| 08:38.03 | grauzikas | but its EVO 850 |
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| 08:38.40 | Jaga-Jaga | grauzikas: run in a terminal... sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda |
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| 08:40.18 | Jaga-Jaga | Timing buffered disk reads: 418 MB in 3.00 seconds = 139.21 MB/sec |
| 08:40.45 | Jaga-Jaga | I should have like 25o mbps |
| 08:40.58 | Jaga-Jaga | (coz its an old laptop, sata2) |
| 08:41.35 | beluga_ | LibreOffice bug hunting festival is on for the whole weekend: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_5.1.0.0 |
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| 08:44.38 | grauzikas | Jaga-Jaga http://pastebin.com/47WWXdbA |
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| 08:45.42 | Jaga-Jaga | grauzikas: you have sata2 or 3 ? |
| 08:45.58 | grauzikas | sata3 |
| 08:46.18 | grauzikas | http://pastebin.com/FygQGt80 |
| 08:46.39 | grauzikas | its realy slow |
| 08:46.47 | grauzikas | i have other server with same disk |
| 08:46.56 | grauzikas | works fine |
| 08:47.44 | Jaga-Jaga | with same disk?? |
| 08:47.49 | grauzikas | yes |
| 08:47.56 | grauzikas | same server |
| 08:47.58 | grauzikas | same disk |
| 08:47.58 | Jaga-Jaga | its newer? |
| 08:49.22 | Jaga-Jaga | these samsung ssd, 840 850.... they have issues |
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| 08:49.38 | Jaga-Jaga | firmware upgrade is needed, but for linux is not so easy |
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| 08:50.22 | Jaga-Jaga | im currently reading that its actually a bad idea to upgrade formware to the latest, in linux https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3a0tsx/dont_update_your_samsung_ssd_firmware_to_ext0db6q/ |
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| 08:51.57 | Jaga-Jaga | grauzikas: what is your kernel ? |
| 08:52.18 | r0xtedy | hey ppl , which recent desktop environment is working with xrdp? |
| 08:53.05 | Jaga-Jaga | lord_rob: ce faci |
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| 09:01.13 | aprendiz001 | hi all. I have changed /etc/hosts to overrive a DNS resolve but I ping the host and is still the IP that resolve DNS instead I have put in /etc/hosts, any idea? |
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| 09:02.05 | lord_rob | Jaga-Jaga: hmmm ? |
| 09:03.21 | grauzikas | if ill get fail when upgrading it it will be good for me :) it have waranty |
| 09:03.29 | grauzikas | its OVZ kernel |
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| 09:03.46 | grauzikas | i have 840 and 850 |
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| 09:04.08 | simon^^ | Can someone please provide me with a resource that describes how to create a -dev package with debhelper, with only the headers of my shared library, without having to make a copy of all my source code. |
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| 09:04.15 | grauzikas | 840 realy slow with dd command ~30MB/s with 850 208MB/s |
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| 09:06.55 | grauzikas | i have similar server with crussual disk (it is loaded at this time) and with dd command ~380MB/s |
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| 09:09.22 | grauzikas | Jaga-Jaga my ssd firmare version at this time is Firmware Version: EXT0CB6Q |
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| 09:12.02 | aprendiz001 | I have problems with /etc/host that is being ignored, any idea? |
| 09:12.15 | Haxxa | Upon sshing into my server it seems to freeze up - anyone help me diagnose? |
| 09:13.01 | ewew | Haxxa What ssh client are you using ? CLI or GUI ? |
| 09:13.16 | Haxxa | ewew, CLI |
| 09:13.31 | ewew | Haxxa Linux system or Win ? |
| 09:13.55 | Haxxa | ewew, linux |
| 09:14.33 | ewew | Haxxa Does a error appear or it infinitie long stays in some step ? Where it stops ? |
| 09:14.57 | Haxxa | ewew, no error just seems to freeze up |
| 09:15.13 | Haxxa | I have a web control for docker and cpu usage normal - nothing abnormal |
| 09:15.36 | ewew | Haxxa Waiting 30 seconds and nothing happens ? Can you ping your target ? |
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| 09:17.06 | ewew | Haxxa Check netstat -anv | pager. If it has SYN_SENT on ssh connection, then probably you have that port blocked on local side. |
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| 09:17.21 | Haxxa | ewew nope |
| 09:17.38 | ewew | Haxxa nope what ? |
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| 09:18.27 | Haxxa | ewew, I can login to other devices just fine - I did however get a new gateway - so that might be cause? |
| 09:19.29 | ewew | Haxxa Dont know any relevant reason why the gateway will block this port. Do you know how to use nmap ? |
| 09:20.48 | Haxxa | ewew Its not blocking it as I can get into the server and type a command but it freezes within a second |
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| 09:21.09 | debian1111 | Hi there |
| 09:21.11 | ewew | Haxxa run ssh with -v. |
| 09:21.17 | debian1111 | I installed debian without a DE. |
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| 09:21.53 | debian1111 | now when I enter apt-get install lxde at the start it says unable to locate package , why is that? |
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| 09:22.29 | Jaga-Jaga | grauzikas: yeah i have the same as yours. but the latest one is EXT0DB6Q |
| 09:22.44 | debian1111 | pls help me guys |
| 09:22.59 | SirLagz | debian1111: have you done an apt-get update? |
| 09:23.03 | debian1111 | yeah I did |
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| 09:23.45 | SirLagz | debian1111: what does 'apt-cache search lxde' show? |
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| 09:23.50 | debian1111 | gimme a sec |
| 09:24.16 | debian1111 | it returns nothing |
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| 09:24.51 | SirLagz | debian1111: what does 'apt-get update' show? |
| 09:25.02 | ewew | debian1111 What do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list file ? |
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| 09:25.31 | debian1111 | reading package lists................ done SirLagz: |
| 09:25.31 | Jaga-Jaga | grauzikas: whats your "uname -r" ? |
| 09:25.38 | SirLagz | debian1111: paste the output somewhere |
| 09:25.40 | Haxxa | ewew, Sorry for wild goose chase firewall is cause it has exception but is misbehaving |
| 09:25.45 | debian1111 | ok |
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| 09:26.39 | ewew | Haxxa I sholud tell you before to run ssh and then use netstat -anv | pager. |
| 09:26.56 | ewew | Haxxa This happend to me few times. |
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| 09:27.37 | grauzikas | Jaga-Jaga as i told already its OVZ kernel 2.6.32-042stab108.8 |
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| 09:28.42 | grauzikas | if with latest kernel this disk works fine so then may be it can be solved with latest driver |
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| 09:30.23 | Jaga-Jaga | grauzikas: upgrade asap |
| 09:30.59 | Jaga-Jaga | grauzikas: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
| 09:31.11 | Jaga-Jaga | Use a reasonably recent Linux kernel (at least 3.2 or newer). |
| 09:31.38 | debian1111 | SirLagz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007519/ |
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| 09:31.40 | Jaga-Jaga | they adjusted the new kernels for the bad SSDs like ours |
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| 09:32.11 | Jaga-Jaga | and it could improve the performance a bit |
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| 09:32.48 | grauzikas | i cant do that :) newest kernel of OpenVZ is 042stab111.12 and it is based on RHEL6.7 2.6.32-573.7.1.el6 kernel |
| 09:33.56 | SirLagz | debian1111: you need to adjust your sources.list file |
| 09:34.04 | SirLagz | debian1111: whats the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:34.08 | debian1111 | Okay |
| 09:34.13 | grauzikas | i think we can update manualy some of drivers or crash SSD by incorectly flashing FW and to change it :). they will give 850 |
| 09:34.22 | debian1111 | it returns permission denied. |
| 09:34.30 | SirLagz | debian1111: check it as root |
| 09:34.33 | darius93 | what kernel does debian 8.2 uses? |
| 09:34.36 | debian1111 | yeah still |
| 09:34.44 | debian1111 | thats weird |
| 09:34.51 | debian1111 | i am logged in as root |
| 09:35.07 | ewew | debian1111 Next stop folder /var/log |
| 09:35.10 | Lauwenmark | Hi. My USB X keyboard mapping is set to "fr". Yet it gets mapped to "us" anyway. This happens without any layout defined by the DE itself. The keyboard config is fine in the console. How can I solve this? |
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| 09:35.57 | Haxxa | Can anyone help me with port forwarding I bought a New router and now when I try to port forward ssh it fails while web content works - I have the debug out put of ssh and it auths but when it gets stuck at "debug1: Entering interactive session." - Any ideas? |
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| 09:36.21 | GideonBoots | Lauwenmark: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 09:36.45 | Lauwenmark | GideonBoots: Already done. Still same issue. |
| 09:36.47 | ewew | Haxxa Port forwardin is required only when entering your LAN from WAN side. |
| 09:37.04 | Lauwenmark | X.org keyboard configuration entry I last tried: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007538/ |
| 09:37.08 | Haxxa | ewew, Thats what I'm doing |
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| 09:37.17 | SirLagz | Haxxa: tried turning it off and back on again? |
| 09:37.28 | Haxxa | SirLagz, My Router or server |
| 09:37.29 | debian1111 | ewew: it returns /var/log is a directory |
| 09:37.31 | SirLagz | Haxxa: router |
| 09:37.42 | Haxxa | Server has been up 250 days - so rather not |
| 09:37.42 | SirLagz | Haxxa: what router is it? |
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| 09:38.01 | ewew | debian1111 yes go in that folder and find apt folder |
| 09:38.09 | Haxxa | SirLagz, Brand New Asus n68 ac router running merlin |
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| 09:38.25 | Lauwenmark | X.org keyboard configuration entry I last tried: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007538/ . /etc/default/keyboard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007543/ |
| 09:38.28 | GideonBoots | Lauwenmark: setxkbmap us is not working? |
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| 09:38.42 | Haxxa | Normally I port only tcp porting udp as well just in case |
| 09:38.45 | simon^^ | Can someone please provide me with a resource that describes how to create a -dev package with debhelper, with only the headers of my shared library, without having to make a copy of all my source code. |
| 09:39.07 | Lauwenmark | GideonBoots: The keyboard is in us mode, what I need is the keyboard in fr mode. |
| 09:39.21 | GideonBoots | Lauwenmark: setxkbmap fr |
| 09:39.40 | Lauwenmark | GideonBoots: And if I do an "setxkbmap fr" once logged in, it works. Doesn't solve the issue of the keyboard layout being wrong before the user session is open, though |
| 09:39.54 | SirLagz | Haxxa: did you just flash it with merlin? |
| 09:39.55 | GideonBoots | what DE? |
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| 09:40.06 | Lauwenmark | GideonBoots: Which is an issue, for example to type usernames and passwords :). Any DE, including twm and fvwm. |
| 09:40.12 | debian1111 | ewew: how do i search for apt in that folder from a terminal? Im kinda new. |
| 09:40.37 | Haxxa | SirLagz, as soon as I got I flashed it |
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| 09:40.48 | Haxxa | literally did that before plugging in wan |
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| 09:40.59 | SirLagz | Haxxa: ok, and you've rebooted since flashing it? |
| 09:41.02 | Lauwenmark | GideonBoots: I've explicitely tried with such barebone DEs to ensure no DE-specific keyboard re-layering would take place. |
| 09:41.03 | SirLagz | Haxxa: rebooted the router I meant |
| 09:41.19 | Haxxa | SirLagz, I might reboot server as it hasn'e been rebooted yet ... |
| 09:41.23 | Haxxa | SirLagz, Yes |
| 09:41.29 | SirLagz | Haxxa: just restart the ssh server if you want to test that |
| 09:41.38 | Haxxa | SirLagz, I have |
| 09:41.41 | SirLagz | Haxxa: ah k |
| 09:41.42 | Haxxa | no dice |
| 09:41.46 | SirLagz | Haxxa: well I'm out of ideas then |
| 09:42.00 | SirLagz | Haxxa: can you forward it to another *nix box to see if SSH works on another *Nix box? |
| 09:42.14 | Haxxa | SirLagz, I don't want to reboot router again 4 people on netflix - nieghbour watching hbo go and 17 downloads ongoing |
| 09:42.30 | Haxxa | plus facebook |
| 09:42.35 | SirLagz | Haxxa: kk...not sure then. I would think it should just work |
| 09:42.49 | Haxxa | SirLagz, I will reboot server brb |
| 09:42.58 | Haxxa | I really need to enable wol |
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| 09:43.38 | debian1111 | ummm can I modify a Debian OS's root directory by booting into a live CD of Lubuntu? |
| 09:43.42 | debian1111 | will that work? |
| 09:44.15 | SynrG | yes. what do you need to fix? |
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| 09:44.34 | debian1111 | I need to modify GRUB |
| 09:45.55 | SynrG | or do this: |
| 09:45.59 | SynrG | !rescue mode |
| 09:45.59 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
| 09:46.20 | SynrG | if you know what you're doing, you could do it from lubuntu, though |
| 09:46.32 | ewew | SynrG debian1111 is not here. |
| 09:46.52 | SynrG | yep. pass that on. i have other things to do |
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| 09:47.50 | Haxxa | SirLagz, still no dice - just rebooted both - problem lies in router as its only thing changed |
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| 09:48.04 | Lauwenmark | Hi. My USB X keyboard mapping is set to "fr". Yet it gets mapped to "us" anyway. Happens with no layout defined by the DE itself. Console layout is fine. How can I solve this? Xorg.conf entry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007538/ . /etc/default/keyboard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007543/, X log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007485/ |
| 09:48.13 | Haxxa | brb rebooting irc server |
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| 10:19.40 | SlaveOfJesus | hi |
| 10:19.46 | SlaveOfJesus | Whats the kernel in debian 8 jessie? |
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| 10:21.02 | inch | 3.16 |
| 10:21.05 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: 3.16 unless I'm istaken. |
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| 10:22.44 | SlaveOfJesus | ok thanks |
| 10:23.01 | SlaveOfJesus | My pc crashes with 4.2 kernel in archlinux :( |
| 10:23.13 | SlaveOfJesus | Going for debian now because i know its more stable |
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| 10:26.48 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Got any idea what was the cause of the crash, BTW? |
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| 10:27.59 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark no idea at all... I simply booted ARchlinux 4.2.2 kernel iso and after some times(randomly) laptop simply freezes, black screen, unresponsive, dead, have to hold power button to reboot |
| 10:29.03 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Ah, and nothing relevant in the log files either, I guess. Let's just hope you don't get the same issue with your new installation. |
| 10:29.04 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark and i couldnt check error messages |
| 10:29.19 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark i hope so :( |
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| 10:29.34 | SlaveOfJesus | i remember Ubuntu 12 still workded good, and windows 7 working as always |
| 10:29.38 | pkv | that's a arch feature **troll** |
| 10:29.41 | SlaveOfJesus | Im using HP Compaq 6715s |
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| 10:29.51 | Lauwenmark | pkv: heh :D |
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| 10:30.04 | SlaveOfJesus | pkv what do you mean? :) |
| 10:30.14 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Usually such things happen with the graphics driver. So keep it under monitoring :) |
| 10:30.38 | Lauwenmark | now goes into deep exploration under his desktop to replace a graphic card... |
| 10:30.46 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark hmm. well if i could see error messages :( |
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| 10:32.14 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: What graphic card and driver are you using? |
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| 10:33.12 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark integrated ATI x1250 128mb |
| 10:33.29 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark hmm i didnt check what driver arch used :D |
| 10:33.40 | SlaveOfJesus | i guess open source ones |
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| 10:57.11 | Razva | Err http://ftp.uk.debian.org wheezy Release.gpg Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.uk.debian.org:80 (2001:1b40:5600:ff80:f8ee::1). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) <<< any idea of how to fix this? |
| 10:57.33 | ewew | Razva Try other repository. |
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| 10:57.47 | Razva | ewew ok, any idea of how to exclude that repo? |
| 10:57.55 | Razva | is a Debian newb |
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| 10:59.36 | ewew | Razva https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 11:00.19 | Lauwenmark | Hi. My USB X keyboard mapping is set to "fr". Yet it gets mapped to "us" anyway. Happens with no layout defined by the DE itself. Console layout is fine. How can I solve this? Xorg.conf entry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007538/ . /etc/default/keyboard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007543/, X log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007485/ |
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| 11:07.16 | Razva | thanks! |
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| 11:15.36 | grauzikas | this is debian bug or mysql: when i try to setup mysql and after installation goes dpkg-configure mysql-server and ask`s to enter new password for mysql i can`t use keyboard right side numbers only those on top of keyboard |
| 11:16.40 | ewew | grauzikas NUM LOCK |
| 11:16.59 | grauzikas | i can type it in this chat |
| 11:17.06 | grauzikas | but it wont work on mysql install :) |
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| 11:17.18 | grauzikas | i can type it in putty |
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| 11:17.53 | ewew | grauzikas Dont know then. Try pressing NUM lock again. |
| 11:17.54 | grauzikas | only when i`m installing mysql it wont work where i`m trying to enter password for it |
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| 11:18.49 | grauzikas | if i press anything in right side it exits install |
| 11:19.01 | grauzikas | i think there is small bug :) |
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| 11:56.10 | phale | My Debian PC has been recently going slow. Programs atm are just stuttering and sometimes take 20 seconds to load. i tried resetting 2 times and it didnt do nothing. I'm not running any CPU-intensive programs |
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| 11:56.16 | phale | I'm using Debian 8.10 jessie |
| 11:56.18 | phale | 8.1.0* |
| 11:57.12 | ewew | phale use atop on CLI |
| 11:57.19 | phale | what? |
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| 11:58.34 | Stummi | phale, type "top" into the console, or install atop and run this in a console |
| 11:58.36 | ewew | phale atop is a tool to look what is using cpu and other things. |
| 11:58.49 | phale | alright |
| 11:58.50 | phale | its showing me some processes |
| 11:59.01 | Stummi | phale, do you have high CPU load? |
| 11:59.21 | phale | %Cpu(s): 3.4 us, 0.6 sy, 0.0 ni, 91.8 id, 4.2 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st |
| 11:59.35 | Stummi | seems normal so far |
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| 11:59.49 | ewew | phale ok. install iotop. |
| 12:00.15 | Stummi | phale, do you have randomly short freezes? Could be a sign of a dying HDD |
| 12:00.23 | phale | this is a recently bought laptop |
| 12:00.27 | phale | it sometimes freezes yeah |
| 12:00.33 | phale | for instance when I open a new tab everything else freezes |
| 12:00.34 | ewew | phale or try to load something while watching top. |
| 12:00.53 | phale | even running "ls" is slow |
| 12:01.20 | phale | Total DISK READ : 0.00 B/s | Total DISK WRITE : 15.75 K/s |
| 12:01.33 | phale | and then it flunctuates between 126.04k /sand 0.0b/s |
| 12:01.37 | phale | 126.04k/s* |
| 12:01.49 | phale | weird |
| 12:01.50 | phale | some process appears |
| 12:01.57 | phale | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.04 | phale | seems to be using a lot of "IO" percentage |
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| 12:02.19 | ewew | phale How long do you have it installed ? |
| 12:02.29 | phale | have what installed, debian? |
| 12:02.31 | phale | about 2 months |
| 12:03.09 | phale | what is jbd2? |
| 12:03.29 | phale | its making me lag I think |
| 12:03.49 | Stummi | phale, which kind of hard disk is installed? |
| 12:03.55 | phale | uhh.. |
| 12:03.57 | phale | what do you mean |
| 12:04.02 | Stummi | hdd? ssd? |
| 12:04.02 | ewew | phale What filesystem you use ? |
| 12:04.09 | phale | Stummi: hdd |
| 12:04.12 | phale | ewew: not sure |
| 12:04.18 | phale | it started lagging today |
| 12:04.21 | phale | when I just booted it up |
| 12:05.10 | frotz47 | phale: do you see hal running in top? |
| 12:05.31 | phale | nope |
| 12:06.43 | frotz47 | I remember reading that hal can poll a drive constantly, what desktop are you using? |
| 12:06.50 | phale | dwm, xfce |
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| 12:07.57 | ewew | .smartmontools |
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| 12:08.20 | ewew | !smartmontools |
| 12:08.20 | dpkg | The smartmontools package provides the smartctl and smartd utilities, used to control/monitor devices supporting "Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology" built into modern ATA and SCSI hard disks. After installation, read /usr/share/doc/smartmontools/README.Debian for initial configuration and upstream recommendations. http://sf.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/FAQ http://smartmontools.sf.net/ |
| 12:08.33 | phale | ? |
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| 12:09.03 | ewew | phale to check if disk is in good condition. |
| 12:09.07 | phale | what the heck is jbd2 and why is it inputting 100mb onto my disk? |
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| 12:09.42 | phale | ok |
| 12:09.44 | phale | I got th tools now what |
| 12:10.13 | MadMan2021 | My debian server is CLI, which is the easyest and least resourse intensive way of installing a x server(gui). I can't install Vmware without x |
| 12:10.51 | MadMan2021 | I'd connect to it via VNC I guess. |
| 12:11.03 | MadMan2021 | Or maybe x forwarding if I can work out how to do it. |
| 12:11.43 | phale | kworker and jbd2 are killing my HDD now |
| 12:11.46 | ewew | phale smartctl -x /dev/sdX |
| 12:12.05 | phale | sdX? |
| 12:12.24 | MadMan2021 | replace x with assined number ? |
| 12:12.27 | phale | which one do i use i have 3 sdas |
| 12:12.28 | MadMan2021 | assigned* |
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| 12:12.50 | MadMan2021 | fdisk -l to find out |
| 12:13.02 | phale | alright |
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| 12:14.19 | rysiek|pl | ohai |
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| 12:14.24 | phale | http://codepad.org/wFZXtUi4 output |
| 12:14.33 | rysiek|pl | so I need to copy a shit-ton of data with hardlinks |
| 12:14.44 | rysiek|pl | these are old incremental backups done with rsync --link-dest |
| 12:14.45 | phale | my laptop is making a tikcing noise |
| 12:14.52 | phale | not really ticking but |
| 12:14.56 | phale | just a bit of noise |
| 12:14.58 | Stummi | rysiek|pl, use rsync |
| 12:14.59 | phale | idk how to explain ti |
| 12:15.02 | rysiek|pl | I'm trying to use the -H option for rsync, but it doesn't seem to keep the hardlinks |
| 12:15.14 | rysiek|pl | Stummi: I am, but it seems that the hardlinks are not preserved |
| 12:15.20 | Stummi | rysiek|pl, it should preserver hardlinks where possible |
| 12:15.37 | rysiek|pl | Stummi: including when copying across the net via ssh? |
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| 12:16.22 | Ticho | maybe your rsync doesn't have support for hardlinks? check with rsync --help, near the beginning |
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| 12:18.31 | ewew | phale backup on other disk. but be carefull whe copying. dont stress the disk. |
| 12:18.45 | phale | huh |
| 12:19.04 | phale | my disk is dying? |
| 12:19.14 | ewew | phale what ticking noise ? |
| 12:19.20 | phale | uh |
| 12:19.22 | phale | i think i can record it |
| 12:19.23 | phale | hold on |
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| 12:20.38 | phale | https://clyp.it/2gud4lz5 |
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| 12:20.41 | phale | this is the noise |
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| 12:21.10 | ewew | phale Backup. |
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| 12:21.14 | phale | hwo |
| 12:21.15 | phale | why |
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| 12:22.10 | ewew | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd8KwJ2q50g |
| 12:22.38 | phale | i dont hear that kind of sound |
| 12:23.00 | frotz47 | your drive was a lemon, a dud, soon to be a brick |
| 12:23.09 | frotz47 | it happens |
| 12:23.27 | phale | but i bought the laptop recently |
| 12:23.29 | phale | how can it fail so easily? |
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| 12:23.35 | SlaveOfJesus | Hi |
| 12:23.46 | SlaveOfJesus | Just installed Debian 8 netinstall.. BUt i have no sound |
| 12:23.48 | oxagast | did you drop it? |
| 12:23.56 | phale | oxagast: it's an internal hard drive |
| 12:24.04 | SlaveOfJesus | when i type alsamixer he cant find it |
| 12:24.04 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: what desktop do you use (i.e. are you use pulseaudio or just alsa?) |
| 12:24.12 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: just alsa |
| 12:24.16 | oxagast | the whole laptop i mean |
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| 12:24.32 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: im using without DE |
| 12:24.32 | phale | wait |
| 12:24.35 | leafwiz | Hello, I'm running Strech/sid. I just did a apt-get upgrade, and now my system starts with an "oh no, something has gone wrong message.." |
| 12:24.35 | phale | by hard drive, do you mean CD reader? |
| 12:24.39 | phale | i dont have one of those |
| 12:24.44 | phale | just a regular hdd |
| 12:24.47 | oxagast | no, i mean hard drive |
| 12:24.50 | ewew | phale buy a external drive for data and the seach what is wrong. this costs less money. believe me. |
| 12:24.50 | phale | alright then |
| 12:24.58 | phale | ewew: I cant |
| 12:25.06 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: it says cannot open mixer |
| 12:25.07 | phale | but how do Iknow if its really failing |
| 12:25.18 | frotz47 | well IMHO Hitachi is not going to be remembered as an excellent maker of hard drives... |
| 12:25.38 | oxagast | i think it shows in /var/log/syslog disk r/w errors |
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| 12:25.46 | baum | hmm i'm currently trying to install debian in a vm, however while selecting a network mirror the installer gets stuck. i tried to ping a server via the installer shell, it's ip adress was resolved however no pings are sent. Would mentioned behaviour be usual for a wrong configured network? |
| 12:25.56 | phale | uhh |
| 12:26.01 | phale | "Oct 30 13:16:43 glimmer smartd[4971]: Device: /dev/sda, type changed from 'scsi' to 'sat' |
| 12:26.01 | phale | " |
| 12:26.05 | phale | oh |
| 12:26.07 | phale | this is smatmontools |
| 12:26.15 | SlaveOfJesus | When i do aplay -l it says no soundcard found |
| 12:26.16 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: okay, just making sure because instructions are different depending on if you use pulseaudio or not |
| 12:26.21 | somiaj | !tell SlaveOfJesus about alsa checklist |
| 12:26.24 | phale | its not showing any r/w errors oxagast |
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| 12:27.05 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: hmm I guess if alsamixer isn't working (and you are in the audiogroup), you should start simply, 'cat /proc/asound/cards' do you have any sound cards currently loaded by alsa? |
| 12:27.16 | oxagast | i would still back your stuff up if its clicking |
| 12:27.25 | phale | its not clicking |
| 12:27.26 | leafwiz | and I see in the messages log taht "../gdm3/gdm-x-session[1532]: (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:66 |
| 12:27.27 | phale | its just making some strange noise |
| 12:27.36 | phale | it makes the same noise all day before as well |
| 12:27.37 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: sounds like your sound card isn't being detected by alsa. Could this be as something as silly as you have the sound card disabled in your bios? |
| 12:27.40 | phale | but just now its slower |
| 12:27.56 | ewew | phale strange noise = trouble. |
| 12:27.56 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: nop |
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| 12:28.06 | phale | ewew: uhh |
| 12:28.09 | phale | but im not getting any errors |
| 12:28.18 | phale | even if its an issue |
| 12:28.21 | phale | I should be able to know why |
| 12:28.31 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: i do have error message |
| 12:28.35 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: its somethign about codecs |
| 12:28.52 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: well if you don't see any sound cards in /proc/asound/cards then no sound cards are loaded by alsa so they are either not detected or something else is wrong. |
| 12:28.54 | SlaveOfJesus | can i send you error message of dmesg from terminal? |
| 12:29.00 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: use paste.debian.net |
| 12:29.09 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: paste the lines around it just to ensure you get all the info |
| 12:29.12 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: but im from terminal :D |
| 12:29.23 | SlaveOfJesus | i dont have DE |
| 12:29.23 | phale | its faster now, ewew |
| 12:29.25 | phale | a bit faster |
| 12:29.32 | phale | might it be because I just booted it? |
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| 12:29.40 | phale | UGH Its freezing again |
| 12:29.42 | phale | nvm |
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| 12:30.08 | phale | i dont have an external HDD and i cant buy one now |
| 12:30.10 | phale | what do i do?? |
| 12:30.19 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: so use pastebinit |
| 12:30.25 | somiaj | !tell SlaveOfJesus about pastebinit |
| 12:30.36 | baum | !tell baum about pastebinit |
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| 12:30.58 | baum | pffff didn't work |
| 12:31.00 | somiaj | phale: do you have any other means of backup then? CD? Another harddrive? Remote storage? |
| 12:31.18 | somiaj | baum: /msg dpkg pastebinit |
| 12:31.25 | phale | somiaj: nope |
| 12:31.39 | Haxxa | ewew, Do you have any ideas on what would cause a gateway not to work with ssh when port forwarding and accessing outside of lan on wan? I'm still having issues I'm happy to work through some troubleshooting steps if you have some? |
| 12:32.11 | baum | somiaj: thanks, didn't know about that tool yet :) |
| 12:32.12 | phale | also, I have an USB |
| 12:32.19 | phale | but its not big enough for my Music folder, which is 142GB |
| 12:32.23 | phale | 14GB* |
| 12:32.46 | somiaj | phale: well sounds like you need to find away to get a backup, and fast if your hd is failing. There are online tools that aren't to expensive you can use as a remote backup |
| 12:32.54 | phale | somiaj: still |
| 12:32.57 | phale | I cant cope with this slowness |
| 12:33.21 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/318853/ |
| 12:33.22 | baum | incase of a broken hdd: the longer you wait the slower it gets |
| 12:33.42 | phale | how do i even know if its broken |
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| 12:34.01 | baum | you could run a test on it in order to confirm it |
| 12:34.09 | phale | I think I did. |
| 12:34.09 | phale | http://codepad.org/wFZXtUi4 |
| 12:34.13 | ewew | That can whack it. |
| 12:34.30 | baum | but if your boot up takes longer and longer you can be pretty confident that it's the hdds fault |
| 12:34.43 | phale | baum: its a bit longer the boot up yeah |
| 12:34.56 | rysiek|pl | Ticho: both rsyncs (on source host and dest host) have hardlinks in capabilities |
| 12:35.20 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: seems like a hardawre/driver issue, snd_hda_intel isn't liking your sound card for somereason. |
| 12:35.32 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: :/ |
| 12:35.43 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: well.. |
| 12:35.50 | leafwiz | okay, so where should look for clues when I troubleshoot why gdm3 and mate is not starting? |
| 12:36.11 | phale | smartctl seems to say that its healthy |
| 12:36.17 | phale | which means that my HDD is probs not dying |
| 12:36.20 | Haxxa | ewew, maybe this: SSH Port Forwarding is not allowed, Please contact Cisco for more information. Cisco VPN client is recommended for remote SSH Sessions. |
| 12:36.20 | baum | phale: i once had a hdd which broke, in the end booting up the system took about 1h, backing up the whole thing took about 1week =/ |
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| 12:36.35 | phale | baum: im just saying |
| 12:36.42 | phale | it seems kind of weird that it breaks randomly when I just boot it up today |
| 12:36.51 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: tooo bad |
| 12:37.03 | ewew | phale If it says its okey. It does not mean that it is for real. |
| 12:37.15 | phale | ewew: what about the jbd2 think |
| 12:37.16 | phale | thing* |
| 12:37.20 | phale | its still using about 99.9% IO |
| 12:37.21 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Can you post the output of "lspci -vv" please? |
| 12:37.22 | baum | phale: hmmm guess i'd run a second test on it to confirm the SMART status |
| 12:37.32 | ewew | phale stand-by |
| 12:37.39 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: ok |
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| 12:37.58 | phale | another test I just did |
| 12:37.59 | phale | no errors reported |
| 12:38.10 | baum | how did you run the second test? |
| 12:38.20 | phale | smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda1 |
| 12:38.36 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: http://paste.debian.net/318854/ |
| 12:38.43 | baum | nah, you want to run the second test without smartctl |
| 12:38.43 | Lauwenmark | phale: To test, you'd need to "smartctl -d ata -t long /dev/sda |
| 12:39.11 | phale | Test will complete after Fri Oct 30 14:55:07 2015 |
| 12:39.13 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774538 unsure if this bug is related, but the person said they got some sound from pulseaudio, but that may not help if you aren't running xorg. |
| 12:39.14 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/774538 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: No Sound (partial solution pulseaudio)»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-01-04; last modified: 2015-10-15. |
| 12:39.16 | phale | an HOUR? |
| 12:39.26 | Lauwenmark | (or at least -t short) |
| 12:39.32 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: :( |
| 12:39.36 | baum | phale: an hour is basicly nothing for a hdd test |
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| 12:39.54 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: so my laptop is doomed for linuxx |
| 12:39.55 | baum | could take a few more :) |
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| 12:40.02 | SlaveOfJesus | too many problems |
| 12:40.08 | phale | ok |
| 12:40.15 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Nah, just give us time to look at your hardware first :) |
| 12:40.30 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: ok :) |
| 12:40.41 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: unsure what the issue is, seems to be something in jessie as that bug report said it worked fine in wheezy. Again cat /proc/asound/cards lists no cards despite snd_hda_intel being loaded. It could be as simple as forcing snd_hda_intel to load a particular model. |
| 12:40.56 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: but I have no more thoughts except keeping searching google for the errors you see in dmesg |
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| 12:42.08 | phale | ok |
| 12:42.10 | phale | its suppose to be done |
| 12:42.11 | phale | now what |
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| 12:42.21 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: I may have missed it. Does your sound chipset appear in /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 12:42.22 | phale | is it logged somewhee |
| 12:42.33 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: no :( |
| 12:42.42 | baum | how can it be done by now? a hdd test usually takes hours.... |
| 12:42.43 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: seems the module loads, but is unable to actually finish. |
| 12:43.07 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: Yeah, I had noticed the timeouts in dmesg output. Trying to find a few things about it. |
| 12:43.16 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: http://paste.debian.net/318853/ here it says it has problems with codecs |
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| 12:43.38 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: I think the problem is something else, it just results with codes being the last thing it can't deal with. |
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| 12:43.58 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: I did find that bug I linked, seems releated, but unsure if the problem is with the kernel or not. |
| 12:43.58 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: okay sir |
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| 12:44.13 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: random thought, install the kernel from jessie-backports and see if that has any effect. |
| 12:44.26 | alteregoa | i got issues with update-initramfs some garbage of a non existent kernel |
| 12:44.29 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: do you mean newer kernel or older? |
| 12:44.32 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: It definitely would, else the card would appear in /proc/asound/cards. |
| 12:44.36 | phale | baum: No errors |
| 12:44.40 | phale | uh |
| 12:44.41 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: newer, since older kernels aren't available for jessie. |
| 12:44.43 | phale | jdb2 is doing it |
| 12:44.45 | phale | im pretty sure |
| 12:44.47 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: That it isn't listed shows the driver couldn't recognize it. |
| 12:45.08 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: my laptop crashes with newer kernel. For example with 4.2 kernel my laptop freezes and goes to death :( |
| 12:45.09 | ewew | phale ps -Af |
| 12:45.13 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: yea the bug I found person said it worked fine in wheezy, so could be something wih the 3.16 kernel. |
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| 12:45.31 | phale | ewew: what about it? |
| 12:45.46 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: mmm. Could be interesting to try with 4.2 from backports, though I'd of course consider this as last resort. |
| 12:45.48 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: yep could be true |
| 12:45.48 | ewew | phale i want to see it output |
| 12:45.58 | phale | alright |
| 12:46.14 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: my laptop works with old kernels |
| 12:46.23 | SlaveOfJesus | like 3.4 |
| 12:46.24 | phale | http://codepad.org/SvUAcFNB |
| 12:46.34 | somiaj | Lauwenmark: It was more a test, but appears his machine is even worse with a 4.2 kernel. |
| 12:46.45 | phale | jdb2 is 0.0 now but |
| 12:46.48 | somiaj | SlaveOfJesus: install wheezy see if you still have problems. Not a long term fix though. :/ |
| 12:46.49 | phale | it goes up to 99.9 quickly |
| 12:46.50 | Lauwenmark | somiaj: mmm. I find that indeed peculiar. |
| 12:46.56 | alteregoa | how to strip those kernel from debian? i deleted all references in /boot |
| 12:47.50 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Can you try a "rmmod snd-hda-intel", then "modprobe snd-hda-intel" ? |
| 12:47.52 | SlaveOfJesus | somiaj: i guess ill try wheezy |
| 12:47.58 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: okay |
| 12:48.18 | ewew | phale If i dont know if the drive is okay i can not tell what will happen after. Im not going to risk data loss. |
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| 12:49.54 | phale | ewew: this sucks. It really sucks that my HDD might be dying |
| 12:50.00 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: i get this error http://paste.debian.net/318857/ |
| 12:50.42 | baum | phale: just get a new one? |
| 12:50.50 | phale | baum: not yet |
| 12:50.56 | phale | ill put my important things on an USB |
| 12:50.57 | SlaveOfJesus | So here's the deal: kernel from 3.10 give me no sound, and kernel from 4 give me death :) My laptop isnt supported |
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| 12:51.05 | phale | I want to try and fix this |
| 12:51.08 | phale | what is jbd2 though? |
| 12:51.18 | somiaj | phale: not that this does you mcuh good, but data is considered lost if you don't have at least 3 copies of it by some. Seems like you are in a place you best consider your options for backup before you try to see if the drive is actually dead or not. |
| 12:51.22 | baum | important data on a USB? good luck :) |
| 12:51.23 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=186300 seems similar. I keep searching. |
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| 12:51.34 | ewew | phale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_block_device |
| 12:51.57 | phale | and why is it giving me a lot of IO %? |
| 12:52.37 | jelly | phale: one jbd2 kernel thread is related to each active ext4 mount |
| 12:52.48 | phale | i see |
| 12:52.58 | ewew | phale Dont know. It may try to fix the faulty data drive is giving. |
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| 12:53.10 | jelly | doesn't say much other than "something is using disk" |
| 12:53.26 | ewew | phale backup the data and then play with drive. |
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| 12:53.50 | phale | ok |
| 12:54.01 | ewew | phale sort your data. dont backup things that are on internet. |
| 12:54.18 | baum | you should realy buy a backup drive....just saying |
| 12:54.24 | phale | i get it |
| 12:54.35 | phale | but this laptop is.. recent |
| 12:54.39 | phale | i dont get why this would happen so quickly |
| 12:54.45 | ewew | phale Dont even imagine how money will cost recovery. |
| 12:55.01 | phale | wait ewew |
| 12:55.05 | phale | i dont think IO% is the problem |
| 12:55.12 | phale | I'm running badblocks right now, no lag |
| 12:55.16 | phale | and its using even more io% than jdb |
| 12:55.27 | baum | hdds die...it happens. i recently had a 6TB hdd die on me after using it for 2 months |
| 12:55.27 | phale | could it be the CPU? |
| 12:56.04 | phale | also |
| 12:56.06 | phale | my hard drive isnt making the noise |
| 12:56.11 | phale | i think |
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| 12:56.29 | baum | plus since it's a laptop the hdd is the most likely part which will break |
| 12:57.10 | baum | well, how about you just boot from a live system and see what happens? |
| 12:57.11 | phale | mm |
| 12:57.11 | ewew | phale It is probably in nonproblematic area. |
| 12:57.21 | phale | baum: live? |
| 12:57.23 | phale | how |
| 12:57.30 | fireba11 | baum: there are a few spikes in hdd failures .. quite a few die the first 6 months, then between 18 and 24 months i think .. there were some graphs from google about tthat :-D |
| 12:57.44 | abrotman | wonders how this is related to Debian ... |
| 12:57.46 | somiaj | phale: could be the mobo as well, hardware goes bad even if it isn't old. Usually hardware that isn't old has waranties if it goes bad, but still you have found a issue i would fix. No backups. |
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| 12:58.13 | baum | fireba11: hmmmm good to know :) |
| 12:58.26 | baum | phale: just get ubuntu or something like that on an usb stick |
| 12:58.28 | baum | and boot from it |
| 12:58.41 | somiaj | baum: why not suggest live.debian.net to get a debian live system? |
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| 12:59.18 | ewew | abrotman do you know if theres a channel for this ? |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | for hardware problems? |
| 12:59.24 | phale | baum: my device access LED indicator keeps going off and on |
| 12:59.25 | baum | somiaj: because going by the previouse conversation i tried to recommend the easiest possible way |
| 12:59.27 | phale | could that be a symptom |
| 12:59.30 | ewew | abrotman yes |
| 12:59.36 | abrotman | you mean like .. ##hardware ? |
| 12:59.46 | ewew | abrotman yes |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | ewew: /msg alis help ; sounds like you need to learn a bit .. |
| 12:59.53 | r0xtedy | hello guys |
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| 13:00.09 | r0xtedy | how can I install iwLwifi-7260-9.ucode |
| 13:00.16 | r0xtedy | if I dont have removable drives on pc? |
| 13:00.21 | abrotman | r0xtedy: there's a firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 13:00.30 | abrotman | r0xtedy: how did you install to begin with? |
| 13:00.53 | r0xtedy | I have it |
| 13:00.58 | abrotman | have what? |
| 13:00.58 | r0xtedy | I have that package |
| 13:01.14 | abrotman | r0xtedy: there is an installer with firmware already in it, if that's an option to reinstall |
| 13:01.20 | r0xtedy | firmware-iwlwifi_0.43_all.deb |
| 13:01.29 | abrotman | r0xtedy: and you have it on the target system now? |
| 13:01.37 | r0xtedy | no I have the file only |
| 13:01.42 | r0xtedy | but during setup on my laptop |
| 13:01.45 | r0xtedy | it says |
| 13:01.49 | r0xtedy | isert removable media |
| 13:01.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell r0xtedy about firmware installer |
| 13:01.52 | r0xtedy | with that |
| 13:02.17 | somiaj | r0xtedy: If you haven't installed grab the firmware installer and start over. If you have completed the install you just need some way to copy that file over to your machine. |
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| 13:03.21 | r0xtedy | I dont have floppy |
| 13:03.26 | r0xtedy | or any additional usb sticks |
| 13:03.28 | r0xtedy | eh |
| 13:03.34 | r0xtedy | oh wait I got disk |
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| 13:04.44 | phale | weird! |
| 13:04.54 | phale | when I shut it down and started it with the laptops led start thing |
| 13:04.57 | phale | it doesnt lag anymore |
| 13:04.59 | somiaj | r0xtedy: I would suggest as abrotman did to just start over with the firmware installer. Sounds like you are still in the installer at the network setup phase, adn at this point that would probabaly be the easiest. |
| 13:05.01 | phale | why did this hapen |
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| 13:05.37 | phale | weird |
| 13:05.40 | phale | maybe the HDD was partially loading or smth |
| 13:05.53 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: are you there? |
| 13:06.12 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Yes, with two new suggestions to try :) |
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| 13:06.25 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: ok :) |
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| 13:06.50 | phale | why did shutting it down and starting it fix it |
| 13:06.54 | phale | but when I rebooted it, didnt do it |
| 13:06.56 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: I'd try editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf, and add the following line "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=0" |
| 13:07.25 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: ok i will |
| 13:07.27 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Then reboot and see if anything changes. Then if it doesn't, I'd also try with the option "power_save_controller=0". |
| 13:07.29 | MadHatter42 | how do I remote screen grab a windows pc from my debian box |
| 13:07.33 | MadHatter42 | ? |
| 13:07.36 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: i decided to install xfce DE :) |
| 13:07.37 | MadHatter42 | i just need a screenshot |
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| 13:07.43 | phale | ewew: its fixed |
| 13:07.47 | MadHatter42 | there are tools for doing it on a windows |
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| 13:07.53 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: so im installing xfce as well |
| 13:07.55 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Nice, though it won't help you getting sound :) |
| 13:07.57 | MadHatter42 | from a windows |
| 13:08.11 | somiaj | MadHatter42: various ways, but just install scrot, it can take a screenshot of your whole screen or just a paticular window |
| 13:08.13 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: yeah but its hard to get around in terminal |
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| 13:08.28 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: cant copy paste stuff |
| 13:08.42 | somiaj | MadHatter42: oh you are in windows, well ##Windows knows how to get screen shots from windows. I think printscreen then open a graphical program and paste |
| 13:08.47 | MadHatter42 | no no |
| 13:08.49 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Yep. I know. I installed good old fvwm just for that reason :) |
| 13:08.55 | MadHatter42 | somiaj, i'm in linux |
| 13:09.01 | Lauwenmark | Hi. My USB X keyboard mapping is set to "fr". Yet it gets mapped to "us" anyway. Happens with no layout defined by the DE itself. Console layout is fine. How can I solve this? Xorg.conf entry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007538/ . /etc/default/keyboard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007543/, X log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13007485/ |
| 13:09.05 | MadHatter42 | the machine i need to grab the screen from is windows |
| 13:09.13 | somiaj | MadHatter42: then as I said first, install scrot, probabaly the easiest way to just let that program take the screen shots for you |
| 13:09.15 | MadHatter42 | if it was linux to linux would be easy |
| 13:09.33 | MadHatter42 | somiaj, does it work remotely ? |
| 13:09.34 | baum | SlaveOfJesus: well basicly you could pipe stdout to vim and copy it from there :P |
| 13:10.13 | somiaj | MadHatter42: I don't know what you mean? You are viewing this machine inside a linux desktop window. Then just use normal linux screenshot tools to grab it since it is already visable. |
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| 13:10.30 | somiaj | MadHatter42: you can grab your whole screen or just the window you are running on. If you want to know how to get screen shots from windows, ask ##windows |
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| 13:10.36 | baum | MadHatter42: if i recall it right some rootkits offer that functionality, maybe just use one of them? :P |
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| 13:11.12 | MadHatter42 | somiaj, i'm on my linux machine , i need screenshot of every 3-4 minutes of a windows machine thats in my network |
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| 13:11.34 | somiaj | MadHatter42: have you tried scrot |
| 13:11.45 | MadHatter42 | somiaj, i'm reading about it |
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| 13:12.01 | somiaj | MadHatter42: again it shouldn't matter if what you are looking at is local or remote. scrot just make am image of whatever is on your screen. |
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| 13:12.07 | somiaj | or use any other screenshot tool. |
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| 13:13.42 | MadHatter42 | somiaj, makes sense |
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| 13:17.17 | boy4sale | Hi |
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| 13:18.57 | boy4sale | I've just switched from Ubuntu to Debian and found the Debian Handbook is specifically for Wheezy. Is it possible to buy a manual on Debian which is up to date with Jessie? |
| 13:20.42 | jelly | boy4sale: update for jessie is in the works, from author's blog: https://raphaelhertzog.com/2015/09/30/my-free-software-activities-in-september-2015/ |
| 13:21.09 | boy4sale | Hmm |
| 13:21.49 | jelly | (you'll find the preliminary jessie version, for proofreading, linked somewhere in there) |
| 13:22.51 | boy4sale | Thanks jelly! |
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| 13:23.05 | jelly | https://debian-handbook.info/2015/the-debian-administrators-handbook-updated-for-debian-8-available-for-proofreading/ probably better link |
| 13:23.22 | boy4sale | Amazing! thanks again :) |
| 13:24.02 | boy4sale | You've made my nite |
| 13:24.57 | r0xtedy | guys, I have that firmware on my usb stick |
| 13:25.05 | r0xtedy | but install does read a usb a bit |
| 13:25.07 | r0xtedy | and says the same |
| 13:25.19 | r0xtedy | please insert media with iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode |
| 13:25.24 | r0xtedy | please insert media with iwlwifi-7260-8.ucode |
| 13:25.28 | r0xtedy | but the media is there |
| 13:25.34 | r0xtedy | what I am doing wrong? |
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| 13:26.46 | SlaveOfJesus | hi |
| 13:27.08 | boy4sale | Hey |
| 13:27.09 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: hi |
| 13:27.22 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: hi :D |
| 13:27.32 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: im from xfce now :) no sound |
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| 13:27.43 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: [ 8.179720] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:14.2: no codecs found! |
| 13:27.56 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Ok, did you try both of the parameters I gave you earlier? |
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| 13:28.11 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: not yet |
| 13:28.17 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Then do :) |
| 13:28.39 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: [ 8.761053] radeon 0000:01:05.0: Disabling GPU acceleration |
| 13:29.01 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: [ 7.243581] radeon 0000:01:05.0: firmware: failed to load radeon/RS690_cp.bin (-2) |
| 13:29.11 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Leave GPU issues for later :) |
| 13:29.31 | abrotman | r0xtedy: you'd have to extract the .deb file . it's easier to use the firmware installer if you can |
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| 13:29.55 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: THat missing file should be in the firmware-linux-nonfree package. |
| 13:29.56 | boy4sale | omg! Are you trying to install nonfree firmware for Radeon graphics card (unsupported with Debian)?? |
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| 13:30.04 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: So you'd want to install it as well. |
| 13:30.07 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: ok |
| 13:30.19 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: can you remind me solutions of sound? |
| 13:30.44 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Sure. In the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf, try adding the following: |
| 13:31.04 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=0 |
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| 13:31.33 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: If not working, then try with "options snd-hda-intel power_save_controller=0" |
| 13:31.57 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: And if still not working, try with "options snd-hda-intel model=laptop" |
| 13:32.15 | jelly | if you have recent hardwave snd-hda-intel can require some massaging to work well enough |
| 13:32.20 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: And if still not working, mmm, let me have a beer to find about other possible parameters :) |
| 13:32.23 | jelly | hardware* |
| 13:32.42 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Can you tell me the brand/model of your laptop? |
| 13:33.20 | SlaveOfJesus | jelly: no i have old hardware |
| 13:33.31 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: HP COMPAQ 6715s |
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| 13:33.46 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: ok im restarting |
| 13:33.50 | SlaveOfJesus | reboot |
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| 13:35.33 | boy4sale | Lauwenmark: is Slave~ working around unsupported nonfree firmware (drivers) for Radeon? |
| 13:35.44 | Lauwenmark | boy4sale: no. |
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| 13:36.42 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: hi im back no sound :( |
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| 13:37.07 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Which one did you try? |
| 13:37.44 | SlaveOfJesus | enable msi |
| 13:38.43 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Try the model=laptop one. Oh, and check if anything changes in dmesg output. |
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| 13:40.25 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: ill try debian 7 |
| 13:41.11 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: As you want. (and you'll indeed escape the *cough*systemd*cough* :) ) |
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| 13:42.25 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: im tired of this |
| 13:42.53 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: I can relate. I have been searching for the last 10 days to make my keyboard work. |
| 13:43.07 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: So yeah, I can feel the pain. |
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| 13:44.21 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: My guess is that the proper "model=" value would make your soundcard work, and "laptop" seemed a good candidate for the SBx00, but I have no certainty. In the end, I'd not know what to suggest next, outside "grab a 3.8 kernel source and build a package out of it" |
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| 13:45.03 | Lauwenmark | (or any other kernel version working) |
| 13:45.16 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: nah it wouldnt work |
| 13:45.43 | boy4sale | google isn't very helpful on this point - what does apt-get install debian-wizard provide/effect? |
| 13:45.44 | SlaveOfJesus | im going for ubuntu 12 :) tested and working |
| 13:45.57 | Lauwenmark | I don't see why, but oh well, that's indeed your computer, not mine :) |
| 13:46.00 | SlaveOfJesus | Lets face it |
| 13:46.07 | SlaveOfJesus | my laptop is history |
| 13:46.22 | boy4sale | Slave: Ubuntu 14.04 is nice |
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| 13:46.30 | SlaveOfJesus | simple as taht :) kernel developers dont care about my laptop anymore.. and they shouldnt |
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| 13:46.43 | SlaveOfJesus | boy4sale: sound is not working in ubuntu 14 :D |
| 13:46.47 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Debian 7 is probably a better pick than ubuntu, imho. |
| 13:46.53 | SlaveOfJesus | kernel 3.4 is working for me |
| 13:46.59 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: why? :) |
| 13:47.05 | SlaveOfJesus | is debian 7 supported by debian? |
| 13:47.51 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: If it works with 3.4, then compile 3.4 and use that as your system kernel. And Debian 7 is oldstable, so yes, afaik. |
| 13:47.59 | boy4sale | Slave: I'm using unsupported Radeon (Debian) but supported in 14.04 Ubuntu - should work |
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| 13:48.13 | Lauwenmark | (It is supported through LTS) |
| 13:48.32 | Lauwenmark | Support for Debian 7 should end somewhere around 2018, if I'm correct. |
| 13:48.47 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: well its lot of work to compile, never done it and i need to study how |
| 13:49.12 | boy4sale | => time to start studying ;) |
| 13:49.19 | SlaveOfJesus | eeeh |
| 13:49.33 | SlaveOfJesus | its easier to install ubuntu 12 or debian 7 |
| 13:49.37 | SlaveOfJesus | right? |
| 13:49.45 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: Then yes, use Debian 7. Though again, maybe trying that "model=laptop" parameter, just in case... :) |
| 13:49.51 | boy4sale | You're best off with Ubuntu imo |
| 13:50.00 | abrotman | eh .. no |
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| 13:50.36 | boy4sale | abro: Slave doesn't want to compile etc |
| 13:50.44 | abrotman | Debian 7 support for everything ends about 1 year after 8's initial release. The LTS support is TBD, but could be up to five years. |
| 13:50.57 | abrotman | boy4sale: abr<tab> .. does amazing things |
| 13:51.12 | abrotman | also, if you want to discuss Ubuntu, please use #ubuntu |
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| 13:51.23 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: Ah, so there is no LTS planned for 7 ?? |
| 13:51.32 | abrotman | Lauwenmark: I think there is, but I don't know the duration |
| 13:51.33 | boy4sale | I'm new to Debian and love it :) |
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| 13:51.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Lauwenmark about lts |
| 13:52.03 | bezaban | I think I saw wheezy LTS is until march2018 |
| 13:52.25 | abrotman | Lauwenmark: currently it says 2018 for Wheezy |
| 13:52.41 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: I believe it is exactly what I said above, then :) |
| 13:52.43 | abrotman | bezaban: Right, but could that change? Could it be longer? shorter? |
| 13:52.43 | bezaban | ah, may. |
| 13:53.01 | bezaban | yeah, it could change I assume :) |
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| 13:53.02 | abrotman | Lauwenmark: There's a distinction between LTS and normal support |
| 13:53.37 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: That's why I added "it is supported through LTS". |
| 13:54.21 | abrotman | Right, but there's a difference. LTS doesn't support the entire OS (currently) |
| 13:54.23 | SlaveOfJesus | ywahts the difference |
| 13:54.28 | SlaveOfJesus | ok |
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| 13:55.12 | SlaveOfJesus | name one iso to usb burner with GU |
| 13:55.13 | SlaveOfJesus | GUI |
| 13:55.20 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: k3b |
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| 13:55.49 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: In any case, I don't really see how Slave could solve his issue. If none of the parameters given work, he'd probably need to get back to an older kernel. So means using an older distro, or self-built package of the proper kernel, no? |
| 13:55.50 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: is it for usb? |
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| 13:56.02 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: ah, sorry, misread. |
| 13:56.15 | Lauwenmark | SlaveOfJesus: No idea about GUI, I always use "dd" |
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| 13:56.22 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: ok |
| 13:56.24 | SlaveOfJesus | ill use it |
| 13:56.26 | abrotman | what's the actual issue SlaveOfJesus is having? |
| 13:56.30 | blind | I always use dd too |
| 13:56.40 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: soundcard not recognized properly by snd-hda-intel. |
| 13:56.53 | abrotman | because of firmware? what's the error in the logs? |
| 13:56.55 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: SBx00 model, Azalia chipset. |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | I mean, he can try Jessie with the bpo kernel also |
| 13:57.04 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 13:57.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-rc7-686 (4.3~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.5-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.3-2); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.3-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u5) |
| 13:57.15 | abrotman | probably a better plan than trying to stick to wheezy for the next three years |
| 13:57.32 | SlaveOfJesus | abortman my pc crashes with 4.2 kernels |
| 13:57.42 | abrotman | SlaveOfJesus: crashes why? |
| 13:57.45 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: He says he already tried 4.2 kernel, and fails with it. His logs were posted earlier here. |
| 13:57.48 | SlaveOfJesus | abortman i have old laptop anyway soon will throw it away |
| 13:58.09 | SlaveOfJesus | abrotman sudden death. freezes suddenly, black screen, death. |
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| 13:58.36 | abrotman | using non-free graphics drivers? |
| 13:58.42 | SlaveOfJesus | abrotman: nop |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | possible it's been fixed by now, but up to you |
| 13:59.17 | abrotman | is there an error in the logs using the regular kernel about the sound card? |
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| 13:59.27 | SlaveOfJesus | abrotman: you think they bother fixing old laptop problems? |
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| 13:59.57 | abrotman | They might, you're proably nothte only person with a bug |
| 14:00.13 | SlaveOfJesus | abrotman yeah i posted. |
| 14:00.24 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: can you drop a link please? |
| 14:00.34 | Lauwenmark | link of? |
| 14:00.43 | SlaveOfJesus | that dmesg |
| 14:01.22 | Lauwenmark | http://paste.debian.net/318857/ |
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| 14:01.54 | SlaveOfJesus | Lauwenmark: yes thanks |
| 14:02.07 | Lauwenmark | mmm. Any way to install the nvidia drivers with a more recent version than 340 on Jessie? |
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| 14:06.45 | SlaveOfJesus | Thanks everyone for help and time. God bless you |
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| 14:56.42 | Lauwenmark | I'm getting an error when installing a package. Is there a log file where I can see what happened exactly? |
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| 15:00.03 | abrotman | Lauwenmark: what's the error, what's the package? |
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| 15:00.52 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13009853/ |
| 15:01.32 | abrotman | neat ... |
| 15:01.43 | Lauwenmark | Ain't it? |
| 15:01.58 | abrotman | Lauwenmark: you can put a set -x at the top of the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 15:03.12 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: Which script exactly? There are many files in that directory. I'm not familiar with their content. |
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| 15:03.48 | abrotman | the postinst .. |
| 15:03.50 | abrotman | for that package |
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| 15:04.53 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: I see nothing matching. And this happens when I try to remove the package, actually, sorry if I was not correct on that point. |
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| 15:09.08 | abrotman | Lauwenmark: |
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| 15:09.33 | abrotman | Lauwenmark: should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgl1-nvidia-glx.postinst |
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| 15:11.30 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: ok, checking again. |
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| 15:14.13 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13010006/ |
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| 15:15.25 | abrotman | Lauwenmark: No idea what that script is, but it's angry |
| 15:15.39 | abrotman | it's calling sometihng in /usr/lib/, and that seems to be dying |
| 15:16.07 | Lauwenmark | abrotman: we do agree on this. But how do I escape the package trap? |
| 15:16.23 | abrotman | put an "exit 0;" after the shebang |
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| 15:17.54 | gabrielb374k | debian owned by NSA ? SystemD - backdoor ? |
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| 15:37.17 | strk | I accidentally installed a .deb file and now I can't apt-get purge it due to deps |
| 15:37.27 | strk | but I'm pretty sure nothing was overridden when installing it |
| 15:37.53 | strk | the package is linux-libc-dev, created by "make deb-pkg" in linux kernel build tree |
| 15:38.13 | strk | it only installs things under /usr/include/asm-generic and /usr/include/linux |
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| 15:38.48 | strk | uhm, maybe it did override something |
| 15:38.54 | strk | anyway, how do I revert that change ? |
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| 15:39.32 | jelly | strk: use "apt-cache policy linux-libc-dev" to figure out the version of package from the distro release. Then downgrade, using "aptitude install linux-libc-dev=versionhere" syntax |
| 15:39.53 | strk | ah, thanks |
| 15:40.21 | strk | does it need "aptitude" or can it be done with apt-get update ? |
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| 15:40.46 | strk | The following packages will be DOWNGRADED: linux-libc-dev # good, can be done with apt-get too |
| 15:40.48 | jelly | apt-get works as well |
| 15:41.06 | strk | thanks |
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| 15:41.56 | jelly | you're welcome |
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| 16:01.33 | jokoon | hello |
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| 16:02.52 | jokoon | I want to install debian, I tried the netinst, but I stopped it because it was taking too long to download. I looked up full debian images, but those are very large (3 DVD). Isn't there any smaller debian releases ? |
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| 16:04.43 | Lauwenmark | jokoon: netinstall is what you want. Just select a smaller set of packages to install. |
| 16:05.22 | Lauwenmark | jokoon: netinstall basically grabs only the base system, and then whatever package set(s) you selected. |
| 16:06.10 | Lauwenmark | jokoon: Another solution would be to try another mirror if the one you downloaded from was too slow. Provided it was the mirror that was slow, and not your internet connection. |
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| 16:16.12 | jokoon | What sort of choice do I have in term of package installation ? I can't remember what choices I had |
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| 16:17.02 | jokoon | Also netinst is not a working linux distro |
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| 16:18.18 | jokoon | Im in france I could test the german mirror maybe |
| 16:18.25 | jokoon | or test others before |
| 16:19.02 | ewew | jokoon https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en |
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| 16:20.33 | jokoon | byt the way why is an ubuntu install disk so much smaller ? |
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| 16:20.50 | LordShadowWing | https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot |
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| 16:39.16 | jmd | How can I make my caps lock key behave as Control? (Yes I have read the wiki. I have read the manual. Canned replies are not helpful.) |
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| 16:47.48 | frostschutz | jmd, bit of wire and soldering iron should do the trick just fine |
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| 17:11.54 | jolamb | frostschutz: for future reference, he probably wanted something like `setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps` |
| 17:15.06 | frostschutz | jolamb, no, I'm sure that's one of the not helpful canned replies he was referring to |
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| 17:21.40 | jmd | pwd |
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| 17:34.10 | jolamb | jmd: so why don't you try asking your question again, but with all the details you gave me? |
| 17:34.27 | jolamb | jmd: someone here might know how to get ctrl:nocaps-like keymapping done in the console |
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| 17:34.43 | klys | hi, my opensshd config somehow doesn't work, "connection timed out." |
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| 17:35.29 | klys | also I had to do this: /etc/init.d/denyhosts stop |
| 17:36.09 | klys | ssh to localhost works, and to the address specified in ifconfig |
| 17:36.20 | klys | just not from the remote machine |
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| 17:37.35 | klys | I have openssh-server 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2 |
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| 17:39.08 | klys | wget works from the remote machine |
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| 17:41.29 | jmd | jolamb: Actually I think I have found the answer (sort of). |
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| 17:41.45 | jolamb | jmd: you should update the relevant wiki page |
| 17:41.58 | jmd | I suppose I should. |
| 17:41.58 | jolamb | jmd: how do you do it for the console? I'm interested |
| 17:43.00 | jmd | /etc/default/keyboard needs to have XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps" |
| 17:43.00 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.13 | jolamb | jmd: btw, it's OK to put ctrl on capslock, but please practice touch-typing. In particular, use right ctrl for the keys on the left side, and vice-versa. |
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| 17:44.14 | jmd | I don't want it to lock. I just want it to be the control modifier. |
| 17:44.31 | jolamb | jmd: read what I wrote again |
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| 17:44.58 | jolamb | (I used to use ctrl:nocaps, and used my left pinky for ctrl no matter what key I was modifying, and now have a chronic injury in my left hand) |
| 17:45.48 | jmd | Well if you had used the regular ctrl it would surely have been worse. |
| 17:46.40 | jmd | One has to be a contortionist to use emacs with the control key at bottom left. |
| 17:47.11 | jolamb | jmd: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage-for-pc-mac/ |
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| 17:48.07 | va | http://codepad.org/gbSQlroD in debian 8 - what is needed to get that x86 32-bit package? |
| 17:49.19 | ewew | va dpkg --add-architecture i386. Reference http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dpkg&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en |
| 17:49.34 | jolamb | jmd: actually I've done a lot of research on this (regarding emacs specifically), and from what I've learned the most important thing for typing health is 1) taking frequent breaks, 2) practicing proper touch-typing discipline, and 3) doing some minimal stretches/exercises |
| 17:49.58 | jolamb | s/thing for typing health is/things for typing health are/ |
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| 17:51.11 | jmd | touch typing is irrelevant for programmers. It does make a difference when writing a thesis. |
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| 17:52.10 | saptech | hello all |
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| 17:53.24 | saptech | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.47 | jolamb | jmd: well, I've done a lot of research on this and I am a programmer and my conclusion is that touch-typing is absolutely relevant for programmers, so feel free to ignore my advice! |
| 17:54.06 | saptech | not remove the directory but the files within it |
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| 17:55.08 | jmd | jolamb: Have you had your research published anywhere? If so what is the impact factor? |
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| 17:57.28 | LordMux | Hye, jolamb, you touchtype in qwerty? |
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| 17:58.02 | jmd | I used to use dvorak |
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| 17:58.28 | jmd | I still do occasionally |
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| 18:00.12 | WangDang | if I use ripit to rip some CDs, keep the wav files and generate some ogg files, it automatically creates 2 m3u files, one for the wavs the other for the oggs. If I tell ripit to just rip the wav files and not bother encoding anything, it doesn't generate an m3u file for the wav files. Anyone know how to make it create an m3u file when not encoding ogg files? |
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| 18:00.50 | jolamb | LordMux: yeah, qwerty. It's not the best, but it's better than not touchtyping qwerty |
| 18:01.47 | jolamb | jmd: No, it's not published, it's informal research that I've carried out because of personal interest over the past several years |
| 18:01.51 | LordMux | Hey jmd, and how was it? is it in any way better? I was wondering if dvorak (programmers edition) have any kind of benefit for...you know...programmers :) |
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| 18:02.20 | jolamb | jmd: as I said, ignore my advice if you want, I am just trying to be helpful. :) |
| 18:03.32 | jmd | LordMux: No. actually I also found that Dvorak was significantly faster for writing large quantities of English text, but no difference for programming. Except that it makes vi wierd to operate. |
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| 18:06.38 | jmd | jolamb: I will take your advice on board. That doesn't however mean I will accept it without question. As a researcher I'm much more likely to accept research which has been peer reviewed and published by a reputable journal. |
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| 18:07.36 | jolamb | jmd: well, if I were a researcher by trade I might have sought peer review and publication. For now you'll have to classify the data as "anecdotal". :) |
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| 18:08.26 | LordMux | I see, jmd. And you answered my other question. Using dvorak on vi. I wounder hows dvorak on emacs |
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| 18:09.16 | jmd | I think it makes no real difference to emacs |
| 18:10.07 | rehash | ok, im having some issues here, just installed jessie and im gettting some issues with my keyboard. I have a en_GB keyboard and need to input latin accuentuation (~ '). a kind soul may help? |
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| 18:10.41 | jmd | rehash: There are several possibilities |
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| 18:12.04 | rehash | yeah, i got this issue on a ubuntu install years ago, but seriously don't remember how i manage to fix it |
| 18:12.14 | jmd | I use emacs' set-input-method |
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| 18:12.57 | jmd | It really depends on how often you need these wierd characters and for what purpose. |
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| 18:13.40 | rehash | jmd: i need to type in pt-br 24/7 |
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| 18:14.16 | jmd | Most Brizillians use the en_US with deadkeys |
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| 18:15.42 | rehash | hm, i'll try here |
| 18:15.45 | rehash | thx |
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| 18:16.23 | jmd | There is an option for that dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and English (US, alternative international) |
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| 18:17.28 | rehash | but then i can get the accentuation but i'll lose the layout right? |
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| 18:18.10 | jmd | Yes but the differences between en_GB and en_US are trivial. |
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| 18:18.41 | rehash | yeah, will be some minor things that i can live with |
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| 18:19.21 | jmd | and you won't need £ when typing brazillian. |
| 18:19.36 | rehash | hey |
| 18:20.02 | rehash | en_GB with dead keys could work too |
| 18:20.15 | rehash | i'll try this first, 1 min |
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| 18:24.27 | zikkan | Hello, does anyone know how to setup imap correctly, or have a guide that will show how its done.. im using debian 7 |
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| 18:25.48 | jmd | zikkan: I don't know I'm afraid, but I think you need to state your requirements a bit better if you want an answer. |
| 18:26.52 | zikkan | around a week ago I installed roundcube on my server.. Roundcube was working perfectly, however i was not able to connect to my email i created because imap wasnt setup correct(Getting 'Connection to imap failed') |
| 18:27.08 | jmd | What do you mean "setup imap correctly" - the nice thing about software, is there is no right and wrong, just what one wants. |
| 18:27.19 | abrotman | zikkan: which IMAP server? |
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| 18:27.55 | zikkan | stmp |
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| 18:30.37 | lemondom | I already use a apt proxy and run apt-get - and it still needs quite time |
| 18:30.42 | lemondom | right, my connection is quite mediocre |
| 18:30.47 | lemondom | I guess it is as it is... |
| 18:31.02 | abrotman | zikkan: what? |
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| 18:32.14 | inthl | what approach would one use to manage ssh users via SQL? so that I can change and add/remove/disable/... users with some sql table. is that even possible? I can not find any resources for that. |
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| 18:34.32 | Brigo | inthl, afaik sshd search for credentials into a file, i can't see how can you implement that with sql. |
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| 18:34.52 | jmd | inthl: SQL implies you are using some kind of relational database system. I suppose you could setup a trigger to on the table which added/removed them. |
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| 18:35.21 | jmd | It does seem a rather wierd thing to do though. |
| 18:36.27 | inthl | well my issue is that I am creating some kind of management via browser. but not for the users, more for the administration, to be able to reset passwords or to disable accounts on the fly. there is a daemon on the target system that could do that, it looks in a local sql table for jobs to do |
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| 18:38.30 | jmd | inthl: So far as I'm aware, there is no such thing as an "sql table". Sql is a language which can access database relations. |
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| 18:40.24 | inthl | sure there is none, my idea was to configure opensshd to access one. there are surely situations where that might be required, instead using the local passwd file only |
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| 18:41.44 | Lauwenmark | inthl: Are you trying to store user authentication information into a mysql/psql database? In that case, libpam-mysql is maybe what you are looking for. |
| 18:42.05 | Lauwenmark | inthl: (or libpam-pgsql) |
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| 18:44.20 | Lauwenmark | inthl: There are several tutorials on the web about this, like http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/mysqluser.html . I have never used it though, so I cannot comment. |
| 18:44.35 | inthl | hm. thanks for the hint, I'll look into it |
| 18:44.45 | sIRwa2 | anyone familiar with troubleshooting an existing zfs pool |
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| 18:47.53 | cilkay | inthl: You could use key-based authentication and then all you'd have to do is add/remove keys from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 18:49.28 | cilkay | It's trivially easy to deal with uploading the public key. Then, I'd use something like Ansible or SaltStack to set the machine to the desired state, e.g. add this user, remove this user, replace this user's public key, etc. |
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| 18:51.01 | cilkay | I'm familiar with SaltStack and I know it's not hard to implement this scheme with ss. |
| 18:51.28 | ewew | sIRwa2 did you try #zfs ? |
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| 18:53.44 | Lauwenmark | cilkay: But isn't it a bit complex? I mean, it *seems* easier to just store authentication in a database that can be queried through standard libraries, than manually copying keys around. But maybe there are advantages? |
| 18:53.49 | sIRwa2 | yes, ewew waiting patiently :) |
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| 18:54.49 | sIRwa2 | nvm, its back. |
| 18:55.48 | cilkay | Lauwenmark: I'm deploying VM appliances on which our software runs so I value repeatability. SaltStack gives me that. |
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| 18:56.24 | cilkay | I describe what the machine should look like and SaltStack goes off an accomplishes that. |
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| 18:57.19 | cilkay | If you've dealt with servers that have been set up in an ad hoc manner, you'll know how much work it is to replicate that server later. My servers are throaways. I can burn it down and have a new one inside 10 minutes. |
| 18:58.08 | cilkay | Besides, password-based auth is quite problematic from my perspective. I only allow key-based auth for ssh. |
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| 18:58.36 | Lauwenmark | cilkay: I admit I mostly dealt with large-scale server infrastructure, on which a centralized auth system was mandatory - hence usually Kerberos+LDAP, not SSH-specific authentication. |
| 18:58.40 | cilkay | That still leaves the big potential attack vector of the web application. |
| 18:59.07 | cilkay | Sure, that only makes it even more complex. |
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| 18:59.39 | Lauwenmark | cilkay: It does. Which is why I didn't suggest that solution. I'm not that insane :) |
| 19:00.06 | cilkay | Configuring Kerberos+LDAP isn't trivial so capturing that in a configuration management system and letting your CM system put the machine in the desired state would be the way to go. |
| 19:00.17 | cilkay | Right. We're in violent agreement. :) |
| 19:00.24 | Lauwenmark | :) |
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| 19:00.57 | cilkay | To secure the web application, I'd only allow OpenSSL based auth with client certs. |
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| 19:01.52 | cilkay | Usernames/passwords are just hacks waiting to happen because you know users will use lame passwords and if you force them to use strong passwords, they'll write those passwords on yellow stickies attached to their monitor. |
| 19:03.48 | Lauwenmark | And unfortunately, they tend to loose any authentication device/token/file/cert you give them, sooner or later. Or worse, upload them on a shared Dropbox. |
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| 19:04.12 | Lauwenmark | The inventivity of users to be dumb is a wonder of nature that never ceases to amaze me :) |
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| 19:06.11 | cluelessperson | I'm unable to install debian through yumi boot, syslinux, or grub |
| 19:06.23 | cluelessperson | it's unable to find the "cd room" (it's usb) |
| 19:07.08 | Lorner_ | cd room is right next to the disk space |
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| 19:07.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought it was between the bedroom and the bathroom. |
| 19:07.37 | somiaj | cluelessperson: how did you make this usb device? |
| 19:07.43 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: How about the regular installer? |
| 19:07.45 | Lauwenmark | cluelessperson: Did you check if your BIOS was set up to boot from your usb device? |
| 19:07.49 | cluelessperson | somiaj, yumi boot |
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| 19:08.08 | cluelessperson | Lauwenmark, yes, it boots from the usb device fine, it's the debian installation that can't find the cd rom |
| 19:08.12 | somiaj | cluelessperson: debian images are already bootable and programs like yumi may damage this and make the image not bootable. |
| 19:08.14 | cluelessperson | jhutchins, that doesn't work either. |
| 19:08.18 | somiaj | cluelessperson: what os are you making the usb image from? |
| 19:08.30 | cluelessperson | somiaj, Windows |
| 19:08.40 | cluelessperson | somiaj, I like yumi boot, so I can carry multiple installs on the same USB |
| 19:08.40 | somiaj | cluelessperson: use disk32imagewriter or something like that |
| 19:08.53 | cluelessperson | it's stupid to only use 4GB of a 64GB drive just for debian |
| 19:09.23 | somiaj | cluelessperson: well debian images are actual images and already bootable in both legacy and efi. They don't always play nicely with programs that try to make them bootable. |
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| 19:09.47 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: Why? It's what you need. Next install will probably be a new version anyway. Installers aren't permanent archival objects. |
| 19:09.54 | somiaj | cluelessperson: you can always partition the rest of the drive for something else. It might be possible to configure yumi boot to boot off the .iso correctly, but it may need some special flags |
| 19:10.13 | cluelessperson | jhutchins, I NEED every other install that's on there as well. |
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| 19:10.55 | cluelessperson | Windows 10, 7/8/8.1, Ubuntu, Debian, backup utilities, password bypass utilities, penetration testing OSes |
| 19:10.55 | cluelessperson | etc. |
| 19:11.16 | cluelessperson | somiaj, Well, i'll see if I can find those. the thing is, ubuntu is also bootable isn't it? |
| 19:11.26 | somiaj | cluelessperson: according to yumi's page only the live images are supported because they only use legacy boot and don't have the hybrid legacy/efi boot options. |
| 19:12.05 | cluelessperson | somiaj, hm, maybe I need to move from yumi, but I do need multiboot. |
| 19:12.06 | somiaj | cluelessperson: ubuntu makes it's images different than debian. Debian's images are made to be images that can be directly coppied onto a device and then the device works. Tools that try to add/modify stuff during the copy tend to mess with the images. |
| 19:12.26 | somiaj | cluelessperson: or just grab a live installer from live.debian.net. Though this means you have to use legacy boot and efi won't be supported. |
| 19:12.36 | somiaj | cluelessperson: or just get another small usb stick to install debian with. |
| 19:12.39 | inthl | by setting cgrules, e.g. by cgset -r foo.bar ... is it really always necessary to kill the cgrulesengd and to restart it? AFAIK there is no other way to reload the configuration |
| 19:12.52 | cluelessperson | somiaj, that makes sense. |
| 19:13.07 | cluelessperson | somiaj, sigh. I like to carry around a single effecient key ring |
| 19:13.11 | cluelessperson | I don't like compromise/ |
| 19:13.47 | somiaj | cluelessperson: then just use the live installer. |
| 19:14.02 | somiaj | cluelessperson: the page I found says yumi supports the debian live images but didn't say anything about the debian installer. |
| 19:14.18 | cluelessperson | somiaj, the live images are server images? |
| 19:14.30 | Lauwenmark | inthl: From the man page, "The daemon reloads the list of rules when it receives SIGUSR2 signal. " |
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| 19:15.04 | inthl | hm. news to me. thanks for the hint, maybe I just forgot about that |
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| 19:15.34 | somiaj | cluelessperson: the live images come in various forms. You can get images that have no gui and ones that do. |
| 19:16.23 | somiaj | cluelessperson: I think the live images also have a standard debian installer (can use from boot) or they have the live image installer which mirros the live install onto the hd |
| 19:16.27 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: Really, though, the problem you're having is the bootloader(s) you're trying to use, their support would be the right place to ask about it. |
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| 19:17.31 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: I'm not clear on the differences, but I would expect isolinux rather than syslinux. I belive that's what the installers use. |
| 19:18.31 | Lauwenmark | Xorg creates a "Virtual core keyboard" by default, and adds "real" keyboards as slave devices of that one. How do I set the keyboard layout of that "Virtual core keyboard" ? |
| 19:18.50 | TSPenguin | is there a bootloader that I can throw on a usb stick that allows me to boot any iso i copy on it without needing to run something like grub-install? |
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| 19:19.26 | cilkay | cluelessperson: It sounds like a job for PXE booting. You can provide as many installers as you like that way. |
| 19:19.45 | cluelessperson | cilkay, that's probably what I need. |
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| 19:20.13 | cilkay | You're not that clueless after all. :) |
| 19:20.50 | Lauwenmark | TSPenguin: maybe http://www.easy2boot.com/download/ ? |
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| 19:21.43 | TSPenguin | Lauwenmark, I'd rather not wine something like that |
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| 19:24.07 | Lauwenmark | TSPenguin: afaik, you don't need to. It claims to have a script to install from Linux on an USB drive (http://www.easy2boot.com/make-an-easy2boot-usb-drive/make-using-linux/ ) |
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| 19:24.28 | Lauwenmark | TSPenguin: But I never used that tool, so I don't know how good / bad / ugly it is. |
| 19:24.42 | TSPenguin | I overlooked that, sorry. I'll look into it |
| 19:24.45 | TSPenguin | thanks |
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| 19:25.31 | gXen | I gzipped a large file, but my disksize is not reduced. Is the original file to another directory? if so, which one? |
| 19:25.59 | greycat | gzip doesn't move files. What command did you use? |
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| 19:28.05 | gXen | gzip abc.def |
| 19:28.09 | frostschutz | gXen, if the large file is a logfile and the logfile is still open and written to by something, ... |
| 19:28.27 | gXen | frostschutz: it is a logfile |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | Then it's probably unlinked-but-still-open. |
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| 19:28.40 | gXen | but it is not appearing in my directory anymore |
| 19:28.51 | greycat | When you restart the daemon that has it open, it should be deleted for reals. |
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| 19:29.09 | greycat | If you would tell us the ACTUAL NAME we could help you decide which daemons to restart. |
| 19:29.28 | gXen | gzip error.log |
| 19:29.34 | gXen | its the apache2 error log |
| 19:29.40 | greycat | OK, so restart apache2. |
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| 19:31.05 | gXen | well done guys... and thanks! |
| 19:31.06 | jhutchins | logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 19:31.15 | frostschutz | or killall -HUP httpd or something like that |
| 19:31.18 | greycat | too late for logrotate. he already unlinked the log. |
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| 19:31.33 | greycat | (implicitly with gzip) |
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| 19:36.43 | volkswagner | Greetings gang, I have a VPS on Linode. Recently started getting reverse DNS errors. I seems my ipv6 address changed. If I have a static IP, should the ipv6 address change? Sorry my google foo is weak :( |
| 19:37.37 | volkswagner | Hmmn, I do have /etc/network/interfaces set to DHCP |
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| 19:40.04 | rehash | there was a person helping me... atw was the nick? |
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| 19:43.56 | somiaj | volkswagner: even 'static ips' can change. But really depends on what you mean. At some level you are at the whim of who ever is letting you use that ip. Sometimes they let the DHCP server assign static ip's, sometimes they require you set up the static ip yourself. And sometimes your isp restructures their network forcing your ip to change. but static ip's change far less often than dynamic |
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| 19:44.32 | somiaj | volkswagner: and when they change you have to change your DNS recrods. |
| 19:44.37 | greycat | Uh, if it changes, it's not static. But perhaps your contract was only for a static ipv4, not a static ipv6. |
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| 19:45.17 | bjhaid | hi, I am trying to backport ruby2.2.3 to wheezy and I am running to make errors (specifically Error 2) |
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| 19:45.34 | Dagger | or it might be a static prefix and you've just picked a new privacy address |
| 19:45.55 | bjhaid | override_dh_auto_configure failed with exit code 2 |
| 19:45.56 | somiaj | greycat: my limited experience is it is the whim of the isp or ip provider. I have a friend who pays for a static ip, but there was a major upgrade during his isp and his ip changed during that. He moved and his ip changed during that. But twice in 8 years isn't bad. |
| 19:46.13 | somiaj | greycat: but I agree, the idea is they shouldn't change. |
| 19:46.50 | greycat | knows almost nothing about ipv6 yet |
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| 19:47.10 | volkswagner | Linode had to reboot the hypervisor and since then I have multiple symptoms. |
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| 19:47.29 | volkswagner | the ipv6 new and old have zero common portions |
| 19:47.45 | somiaj | volkswagner: It could be that you are required to configure your system to use your static ip, and if you request one, you get one in their dynamic range. |
| 19:48.05 | volkswagner | Perhaps I will be happy just disabling ipv6 for now |
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| 19:48.36 | volkswagner | somiaj: Thanks for your help, I only see ipv4 static how to's on Linode |
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| 19:50.15 | Dagger | ...zero common portions? they don't even both have Linode's prefix? |
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| 19:52.33 | volkswagner | Dagger, thanks for pointing that out. I think I have made a mistake |
| 19:53.05 | volkswagner | I was reading error message from exim4, I think I mistook google's address for my address in the log |
| 19:53.33 | volkswagner | I was comparing successful transmissions which must only include google's server ipv6 |
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| 19:53.55 | volkswagner | Only the rejected message shows my ipv6 |
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| 19:56.31 | inthl | are colored motd after a ssh login supported? no matter what colors I want to use, the motd is always being printed as code, not as color, e.g. \033[38;5;148mYellow-Green\033[39m |
| 19:57.04 | volkswagner | Confirmed, I was comparing google's ipv6. I must just have a revers DNS issue |
| 19:57.28 | jhutchins | volkswagner: You could verify with Linode that you have ipv6 set up correctly. |
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| 19:58.07 | volkswagner | Dagger: and somiaj thanks for the help! |
| 19:58.52 | volkswagner | jhutchins: Thanks, I have a ticket request into Linode |
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| 20:01.04 | greycat | inthl: I just tested it, and an /etc/motd with raw terminal color codes in it "worked" for me. On ssh localhost. |
| 20:01.16 | greycat | inthl: I would not recommend this. |
| 20:01.20 | inthl | could you cat your motd ? |
| 20:01.40 | greycat | I could but it would not help you. Instead I will tell you how to put raw terminal escape sequences into it. |
| 20:01.51 | inthl | hm. I do have an idea of possible caveats, what is your opinion there? |
| 20:01.57 | greycat | sudo sh -c '{ tput setaf 1; echo this is red; tput sgr0; } >> /etc/motd' |
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| 20:02.38 | greycat | The problem is you are generating escape sequences for ONE specific terminal (whichever one you are on at the time you run tput), and those may not work on all terminals. ANSI codes cover most of the X terminal emulators, though. |
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| 20:02.54 | greycat | If you're only concerned with X terminal emulators, putty, and the linux text console, it's probably OK. |
| 20:02.57 | inthl | you mean terminals, by e.g. bash or sh ? |
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| 20:03.03 | greycat | No. Bash is a shell. |
| 20:03.04 | inthl | yes, that is the case |
| 20:03.21 | greycat | A terminal is what bash runs inside of. Xterm, rxvt, gnome-terminal, a VT100 with a serial cable, etc. |
| 20:03.21 | inthl | so no, not other types of terminals besides these |
| 20:05.06 | jhutchins | We tend to use a red prompt for root on prod servers, that works over ssh. |
| 20:05.14 | inthl | greycat, but why does your approach work and mine not? I see that e.g. [31mthis is red ... is being put into motd, with special characters around. |
| 20:05.30 | jhutchins | inthl: You might find the Bash Prompt Howto useful. |
| 20:05.32 | greycat | I put the ACTUAL BYTES in there, not a representation of the bytes in octal. |
| 20:05.55 | inthl | so the octals don't work there? |
| 20:06.09 | greycat | It just copies the file straight to the terminal. |
| 20:06.16 | greycat | It doesn't do any interpretation. |
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| 20:10.20 | inthl | hm that supports 7 colors as I see. misses light-blue |
| 20:10.49 | inthl | any ideas perhaps how to use more/other colors or how to use octal representation? |
| 20:11.01 | seoner | The following packages have been kept back: openjdk-7-jre openjdk-7-jre-headless |
| 20:11.06 | seoner | may i ask why are these packages kept back? |
| 20:11.09 | inthl | man terminfo desribes 7 variations only |
| 20:11.45 | somiaj | inthl: that is all the colors you get, there is a 'bright' version of each of the colors, but the colors don't change. |
| 20:12.23 | inthl | I see. so no way to get 'bright' colours to the motd? |
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| 20:13.21 | greycat | inthl: it's your system. You can put whatever crazy terminal escape sequences you want in it. |
| 20:13.32 | stew | seoner: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 20:14.25 | somiaj | inthl: no just use the esacpe sequences that make bright colors. |
| 20:14.53 | greycat | There may be several escape sequences that you can't generate with tput. In those cases, just use printf or whateer. |
| 20:14.54 | somiaj | inthl: in essence this makes 16 colors (but that includes black, white and grey) |
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| 20:16.00 | teraflops | greycat: my I as if youre the same http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide 's greycat? |
| 20:16.04 | greycat | yes |
| 20:16.19 | mikela | i had a lenovo that broke and i sent it in for repairs but kept the laptop with me so they couldn't wipe it |
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| 20:16.34 | somiaj | mikela: you mean hd? |
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| 20:16.41 | teraflops | greycat: sir. you have my respect |
| 20:16.55 | inthl | thank you |
| 20:17.03 | somiaj | mikela: I actually like to just buy a second hd, and then isntall linux on that. If the laptop has any problems I put the original factory hd with windows still on it and send that back. |
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| 20:17.05 | mikela | they sent me back a new laptop, which would be cool, but uefi isn't set to boot properly |
| 20:17.10 | mikela | somiaj: yes hd sory |
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| 20:18.17 | mikela | the only issue is that uefi boot is setup on the bios chip not the hd, how do i create a new boot profile in uefi without having to setup linux again |
| 20:19.07 | somiaj | mikela: I belive from the bios (if efi is enabled) you should be able to just browse the efi partition, select the required efi file and it will remeber that. |
| 20:19.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | wait, uefi AND bios? |
| 20:19.37 | mikela | NoImNotNineVolt: just uefi |
| 20:19.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | you just said uefi boot is setup on the bios chip. |
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| 20:20.06 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: you can do that btw |
| 20:20.19 | somiaj | I personally just call it the bios as I find uefi vs efi confusing. But that is just me. (: |
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| 20:20.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | i haven't looked at pc firmware in a long time, but i was under the impression that uefi is a replacement for bios. |
| 20:21.04 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: it works⢠http://www.rodsbooks.com/bios2uefi/ |
| 20:21.19 | mikela | somiaj: its uefi only and the hd is setup for uefi boot, i just don't know how to set the uefi to use the proper partition etc. |
| 20:21.26 | teraflops | can do it* |
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| 20:22.00 | somiaj | mikela: either way, I'm saying get into what ever configuration tool you have for uefi (I just call it the bios but probabaly need another name to mean what ever tool you get into to configure the hardware) |
| 20:22.35 | greycat | "the firmware" is the general replacement for what people formerly called "the bios" |
| 20:22.41 | somiaj | mikela: anyways, on my systems even if I don't have the efi info stored in the uefi rom, you can browse efi partitions and select the efi file from inside the configuration interface |
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| 20:23.38 | somiaj | mikela: if that doens't work you may need to get a debian installer, boot in efi mode, and then reinstall grub-efi once you have everything correctly mounted (including the efi partitoin) and are inside a chroot. |
| 20:24.14 | mikela | somiaj: thanks thats what im trying to figure out now |
| 20:24.40 | somiaj | mikela: what you have to do dependson the actual interface your firmware gives you. I was able to find it in the menus fairly easily on my systems. |
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| 20:25.20 | jhutchins | mikela: May I suggest googling "debian efi install" - having it laid out with all the steps is better than groping through irc answers. https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
| 20:25.40 | teraflops | good link for avoid misunderstandings https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/ |
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| 20:26.00 | somiaj | jhutchins: he has an install already, he is just trying to recover it since he has a newlaptop, but old hd. |
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| 20:27.24 | mikela | somiaj: im not a he |
| 20:27.26 | jhutchins | somiaj: I would interpret the stage he's working on as an install stage, but there's plenty about recovery as well. |
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| 20:27.46 | jhutchins | mikela: On the internet nobody knows what species you are. |
| 20:27.56 | mikela | i dont think lenovo has a built in UI for selecting uefi bot partitions |
| 20:27.59 | somiaj | mikela: my apologizes, I find 'he' easier to say than 'person' |
| 20:28.16 | mikela | jhutchins: yeah its just annoying to be assumed to be a he |
| 20:28.22 | somiaj | mikela: in that case you'll need to recover the system. |
| 20:28.24 | mikela | somiaj: it never hurs to ask |
| 20:28.45 | mikela | somiaj: thanks once i get a usb stick going ill message again |
| 20:28.51 | greycat | It kinda does. "Hey, are you a girl?!??!" is likely to be a bad thing to say. |
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| 20:29.12 | teraflops | srry but mikale sounds like a he here too |
| 20:29.14 | somiaj | mikela: that is just noice for support. There just needs to be a gender nutral pronoun that isn't 'it', or maybe I hsould jsut call everyone it. |
| 20:29.21 | teraflops | she* |
| 20:29.27 | mikela | greycat: whats you prefered pronoun is common and polite first time people meet |
| 20:29.41 | mikela | somiaj: its they, which is actually my prefered pronoun |
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| 20:29.55 | somiaj | eitehr way this is off topics, applogizes mikela, but back to your problem. Get a copy of the offical debian installer and use it to rescue your system. |
| 20:29.55 | mikela | they is both sigular or plural depending on usage |
| 20:30.11 | mikela | somiaj: will do ill do that shortly |
| 20:30.19 | beergear | It's also very awkward to use |
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| 20:30.59 | Spec | Heya, I'm a bit confused with the jessie and systemd. I run "systemctl list-unit-files" and I do not see one for Apache...what does this mean? |
| 20:31.26 | greycat | It probably uses legacy sysvinit scripts (in compat mode) for apache2 and many other services. |
| 20:31.32 | beergear | ^ |
| 20:31.45 | Spec | Hmmm, so "systemctl is-active apache" returns true |
| 20:31.49 | greycat | The systemd transition in jessie is kind of a first draft. |
| 20:31.54 | mikela | beergear: i use it all the time, so did shakespear |
| 20:31.54 | Spec | so systemctl is vaguely aware of this legacy version? |
| 20:31.54 | beergear | Some projects have not switched over to using systemd yet, so they maintain back compatability (thank god) |
| 20:32.39 | somiaj | Spec: systemd supports sysvinit scripts. Debian uses this so matainers don't have to write seperate service files and sysvinit scripts if they don't want to. |
| 20:32.39 | Spec | but Jessie is stable now, yes? |
| 20:32.48 | mikela | ze or here are also gender neutral pronouns, ill stop being off topic and thanks for the help |
| 20:32.52 | mikela | Spec: yes jessie is table |
| 20:32.53 | beergear | mikela: *shrugs* I'd also find it awkward to go around talking like shakespeare |
| 20:32.56 | beergear | :p |
| 20:33.03 | beergear | But it's personal preference really |
| 20:33.29 | Spec | This is sort of a pain because puppet wants to use --property UnitFileState to determine the state of apache |
| 20:33.35 | mikela | being misgendered is really hurtful for alot of people, i'd rather be awkward then unkind |
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| 20:35.59 | teraflops | Spec: what does `systemctl list-units` say about apache? |
| 20:36.19 | Spec | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.32 | Spec | is-active returns 0/active, as well |
| 20:37.13 | Spec | this code seems like it's trying to work around this awkwardness, but ...i guess I don't follow https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppet/blob/master/lib/puppet/provider/service/systemd.rb |
| 20:37.24 | teraflops | Spec: because systemctl list-units lists known units as in started or queued to start |
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| 20:39.21 | teraflops | srry. i mean known=started or queued to start my english is a mess |
| 20:41.24 | teraflops | Spec: i have apache in a linux with systemd 227-1 and systemctl list-unit-files does not list it at all |
| 20:41.43 | Spec | yeah, list-unit-files doesn't list it at all for me, either |
| 20:42.32 | Spec | i think there is a bug in systemd.rb where it checks if "svc_info[:UnitFileState] == 'UnitFileState', it should be checking if it's '' |
| 20:42.53 | Spec | but, not a debian problem. thanks for the help. |
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| 20:43.21 | teraflops | Spec: np |
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| 20:43.55 | Tipolosko | hi |
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| 20:46.44 | Spec | hmm, the code actually works fine, it must be yet something else |
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| 20:53.31 | jhutchins | Spec: What about ps ax |
| 20:53.57 | Cerealkill3r | Hey guys I have a question relating to gnome 3, I've turned global dark theme on (and of course rebooted) but some apps like VLC,XChat still have the default theme |
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| 20:56.54 | jhutchins | Cerealkill3r: Why would you reboot for that? Just reload gnome (log out, log in). |
| 20:57.14 | jhutchins | Cerealkill3r: Non-gnome apps may not respect the theme. |
| 20:57.50 | Cerealkill3r | jhutchins, That wasn't the point,I've also asked on #gnome just now and have been told that vlc is a qt app and xchat an gtk2 app |
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| 20:58.34 | jhutchins | Cerealkill3r: VLC has it's own themes. |
| 20:58.59 | jhutchins | Cerealkill3r: Right, so they don't use the same methods of generating graphics. |
| 20:59.13 | Cerealkill3r | Yeah |
| 21:00.17 | Cerealkill3r | Well thanks anyway for your help jhutchins , have a nice one :) |
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| 21:14.33 | FoolishOwl | I was looking at install CD images for Debian testing, and saw that there was a netinst one and an XFCE desktop one. Is XFCE the default desktop currently? |
| 21:14.58 | greycat | There is no "default desktop" but if there were one it would be GNOME. That is the most common. |
| 21:15.51 | FoolishOwl | Okay. I was thinking of going with XFCE anyway, so I was just curious. |
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| 21:16.22 | greycat | Use whatever you want; don't worry about what the 'default' or 'common' choices are. |
| 21:16.31 | SynrGy | you can use either image to install xfce |
| 21:16.46 | SynrGy | netinst offers you choices |
| 21:17.36 | mikela | for future reference here is some advice on non-sexist language http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nonsexist_language |
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| 21:17.56 | FoolishOwl | Yes, and is generally more efficient. |
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| 21:27.33 | jhutchins | mikela: Some of us will deliberately ignore an apparently female gendered name so as not to treat that user with any overt difference. |
| 21:28.17 | greycat | Or because it is a possible troll, but that usually requires more than just a nick. |
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| 21:31.41 | mangix | if ALSA cannot be accessed by non-root, what could be the issue? |
| 21:31.50 | jhutchins | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you%27re_a_dog |
| 21:32.18 | jhutchins | mangix: User is not a member of the audio group. |
| 21:32.25 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 21:32.25 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 21:32.58 | mangix | did that. how about this: alsamixer does not launch unless root |
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| 21:33.48 | WangDang | I modified /etc/ssh/ssh_config on a client machine according to suggestions made here: https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html to try to harden ssh. Now I can't ssh into 2 of 3 servers. Using ssh -vvv on the client I see it has something to do with a public key test packet that doesn't get replied to adequately. Can anyone help me to debug this further? |
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| 21:34.49 | jhutchins | WangDang: Are all systems involved running Debian, and the same release? |
| 21:34.55 | mikela | jhutchins: that can be fine but assuming everyone is a he is treating woman overtly differently than men |
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| 21:36.00 | WangDang | jhutchins: yes, jessie release 2 |
| 21:36.14 | mikela | being misgendered is enough to make me not want to contribute to a channel or project and even if im personally not important, there are plenty of people that don't come here because of these reasons and are important |
| 21:36.19 | jhutchins | mikela: Given the ostensible topic of this channel, gender should not be a factor. Yes, it means we treat everybody like a good ol' boy - but we're pretty civil for the most part. |
| 21:36.44 | jhutchins | mikela: So noted. |
| 21:36.49 | mikela | jhutchins: thats completely backwards and will caue woman to not want to be here |
| 21:37.27 | jhutchins | mikela: You could very well be Mike from Los Angeles. |
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| 21:38.12 | mikela | i could be, you know whats really easy? asking and asking before you gender somone is just polite, its something you should do even in person |
| 21:39.12 | jhutchins | mikela: On the other hand, if it's important to you, you could mention it up front. |
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| 21:39.36 | ewew | offtopic ? |
| 21:39.44 | jhutchins | ewew: Oh, very much so. |
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| 21:39.59 | mikela | this isn't off topic, this is about how we treat each other on this channel |
| 21:40.03 | ewew | redirect to offtopic channel. |
| 21:40.09 | Lauwenmark | I really wonder why it would matter to know if the person I'm asking a question to on this channel is male or female. |
| 21:40.20 | jhutchins | mikela: WHich is offtopic in this channel, but not in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:40.49 | WangDang | jhutchins: any ideas? |
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| 21:42.25 | FoolishOwl | Lauwenmark, It generally shouldn't. Which is a good reason to avoid using gendered pronouns when they're not necessary. |
| 21:42.42 | Guest38947 | so I set up this computer in the garage with debian a few weeks ago, planning to donate it somewhere. Forgot my sudo password. any way to recover it? |
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| 21:43.45 | Guest38947 | or am I basically boned |
| 21:43.46 | biglebovsky | For recovery password you must search it to grub menu. |
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| 21:44.28 | biglebovsky | Guys this is my first time on Hexchat . What is exactly ? |
| 21:44.37 | FoolishOwl | Guest38947, you can boot into single-user mode and change the password. |
| 21:44.38 | Lauwenmark | I'm hit by the same bug described on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682903 . Does it make sense to submit it to bugs.debian.org? And if so, against what package? |
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| 21:45.32 | matejessie | how can i install the HP Deskjet 1510 printer on debian jessie? |
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| 21:46.45 | aerth | hello, i have a server running 7.9 and i have built and installed erlang and ejabberd from source. i'd like to install erlang-p1-tls package but its not in wheezy. what are my options? |
| 21:47.35 | aerth | [ jessie ] [ jessie-backports ] [ stretch ] [ sid ] |
| 21:47.49 | aerth | i dont see wheezy |
| 21:47.56 | derstrom | matejessie: should be supported out of the box |
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| 21:48.02 | derstrom | http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/deskjet_aio/deskjet_1510_series.html |
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| 21:48.43 | matejessie | derstrom, i do not see an option out of the box to install it |
| 21:48.47 | derstrom | If you have it plugged in, there's nothing else you should need to do. |
| 21:48.48 | Guest38947 | thanks, FoolishOwl, will do |
| 21:48.49 | matejessie | i use mate |
| 21:49.05 | matejessie | i am new to debian jessie |
| 21:49.08 | derstrom | Do a test print, it should work out-of-the-box |
| 21:50.41 | matejessie | a test print? how? |
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| 21:53.13 | mtn | matejessie: I find using hplip-gui, I think is its name, to be the most successful way to install a hp printer |
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| 21:53.29 | matejessie | the printer now works but i had to do: apt-get install hplip-gui first. thanks |
| 21:54.09 | derstrom | Yes, the hplip GUI isn't installed by default; but the software to make the printer work is included with Debian (hplip) |
| 21:54.29 | matejessie | ok, thanks |
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| 21:55.47 | derstrom | I don't know if MATE Control Centre has an option to do a Test Print but I know there's an option to do this in Printer Settings under GNOME 3. |
| 21:56.06 | derstrom | But perhaps hplip-gui has this. |
| 21:56.34 | mtn | it does |
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| 21:59.14 | cantlogin | hi |
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| 22:02.06 | cantlogin | new Debian user and have come across an issue. I was doing some coding and after a while i couldn't save any text files, i was getting a message telling me my memory was full. I restarted my laptop and now i can get pas the log in page. any help appreciated |
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| 22:12.27 | drmagoo | I have an issue with luks-encrypted LVM's at boot. The one with the root-partition works fine, but the 2 other one, I get a password-prompt for them and "it" accepts the passwords. But then the boot hangs, a clock counts to 1min30sec. then I get to log in as root, in a shell.. There I need to manually "open" the lvm's and then do ctrl+D and then everythings boot fine. Got any suggestion on what the issue m |
| 22:12.33 | drmagoo | ight be and how to fix it ? |
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| 22:28.11 | afur | Hello |
| 22:28.50 | afur | Is it better to close all apps (ot he app that is being upgraded) when making a apt-get upgrade? Or it doesnt matter? |
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| 22:30.43 | linagee_ | is there an easy way to install debian wheezy using USB? |
| 22:31.03 | linagee_ | I was able to just dd the jessie ISO, but the wheezy ISO either doesn't support that, or I'm doing something weird. :-/ |
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| 22:32.36 | netsca | Is there a way on debina to replace coreurils with bsdutils and bsdmainutils? |
| 22:33.29 | netsca | Let me rephrase that is it safe and/or possible to remove coreutils and replace them with bsdutils and bsdmainutils on Debian |
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| 22:36.58 | c0fe | netsca: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bsdutils |
| 22:38.52 | afur | Does anyone know if its better to close all apps (or the app that is being upgraded) when making a apt-get upgrade? Or it doesnt matter? |
| 22:39.05 | netsca | c0fe that doesn't really help I knew the packages existed |
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| 22:39.21 | millican | afur: It doesn't really matter. |
| 22:39.42 | millican | Linux doesn't have those limitations like Win98 was notorious for. |
| 22:40.12 | millican | But, you may have to restart the program that's running when you're done. |
| 22:40.28 | afur | millican: Yes, i do restart the program. Thanks! |
| 22:41.22 | millican | Hmmm. Did I just give my age away referring to Win98? |
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| 22:42.22 | vitfalk | hello guys |
| 22:42.25 | epsilon | afur: check out the packages checkrestart and needrestart |
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| 22:43.37 | afur | epsilon: Where? |
| 22:45.04 | netsca | 4/ |
| 22:45.19 | netsca | Sorry meant to put that as a command in irssi |
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| 22:45.58 | millican | A problem with Debian exists, and I don't know how to tell if it's specific to just my hardware, or the Linux kernel in general, or ... who knows. |
| 22:47.41 | millican | The fan on my netbook (Lenovo X120E) will not change beyond ~450RPM regardless of temperature or load until a file granting permissions to change the fan speed is created. This results in temperatures that cause things to melt, literally, if a heavy load is being placed on the CPU. |
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| 22:48.05 | millican | I've noticed this across several installs of Debian and have included the fix in backup and restore scripts. |
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| 22:49.01 | DanteLA | Can I somehow install just clang 3.7 (stable) from sid? If I try to apt-get it I get tons of packages apt wants to update |
| 22:49.27 | millican | Is there a place I should refer this problem to? |
| 22:49.53 | LordMux | If I use my laptop heavilly I get 70C, but I thought that is normal with HP reputation of it's laptops being heaters of some sort lol |
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| 22:50.07 | millican | 70C is fine. 105 or more is not. |
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| 22:51.16 | millican | I don't think an OS should allow a CPU to melt the hardware around it, but again, I don't know how hardware or distro specific the problem is. |
| 22:51.47 | DanteLA | nevermind, LLVM provides debian packages |
| 22:52.13 | millican | If I create a file /etc/modprobe.d/thinkpad_acpi.conf with just "options thinkpad_acpi fan_control=1" in it, and restart X, the fan will adjust to the load and temperature. |
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| 22:54.32 | millican | I first created this file so that I could manually adjust the fan speed when I start to smell things, sooner if I'm watching Conky. But, once the file is created, I don't have to adjust the fan manually. |
| 22:55.04 | foreverska | My users have gotten used to that popup that asks what to do (open in file manager, etc etc) when you plug in a usb drive. What program is that? |
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| 22:56.25 | millican | foreverska: That may depend on the desktop environment or window manager in use. |
| 22:56.49 | foreverska | XFCE, I figured net install should have installed it but I'm yet to see it. |
| 22:57.11 | millican | Does XFCE use Thunar as its file manager? |
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| 22:58.02 | foreverska | Yes |
| 22:58.04 | millican | The USB drive should appear in the places to the left if that's the case. But I don't recall a prompt. |
| 22:58.10 | cxd13 | thunar-volman |
| 22:58.35 | millican | Sorry, I should have said "Devices" |
| 22:59.31 | foreverska | it does appear to have thunar-volman installed cxd13. It appears to mount the USB automatically in it's defense just never calls thunar-volman I guess. |
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| 23:00.18 | cxd13 | you have to go into thunar's volume management settings and tell it what to do when a usb drive is attached |
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| 23:00.53 | cxd13 | i don't remember exactly what it's called since i don't use thunar but it should be easy to find in the preferences |
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| 23:04.57 | dodo_ | Hi, I'm using Debian Jessie and I have detected a bug in GIMP. Should I report it to GIMP, or to Debian? |
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| 23:05.44 | Tipolosko | is leaving, bye |
| 23:06.56 | bazhang | #gimp dodo_ |
| 23:07.08 | bazhang | ask for their bugtracker dodo_ |
| 23:07.12 | dodo_ | ok |
| 23:07.15 | dodo_ | i will |
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| 23:18.12 | inthl | rsyslog can not be configured to connect to a mysql server via :ommysql using sockets instead of some hostname/IP, true..? |
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| 23:22.14 | rokuas | Hello. I want to install ecryptfs-utils on my Debian Stretch machine, but I can't find it in the repos, neither can I install it. That's my sources.list: https://p.pantsu.cat/view/38c5f5e3 |
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| 23:25.40 | Brigo | ,v ecryptfs-utils |
| 23:25.41 | judd | Package: ecryptfs-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 83-4+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 83-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 99-1; jessie: 103-5; sid: 106-1 |
| 23:25.49 | Brigo | rokuas, it isn't in testing nor sid. |
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| 23:26.03 | rokuas | Brigo: mh... but it's installed on my laptop, which is testing too |
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| 23:26.24 | Brigo | [2015-10-03] ecryptfs-utils REMOVED from testing |
| 23:26.43 | Brigo | it was removed some time ago, maybe you have installed it before. |
| 23:27.46 | Brigo | rokuas, i take the info from https://packages.qa.debian.org/e/ecryptfs-utils.html |
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| 23:28.26 | rokuas | Does this happen often to packages? Can I expect it to return soon? |
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| 23:30.17 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/797961 in ecryptfs-utils (open): «ecryptfs-utils: encrypted swap fails»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-09-03; last modified: 2015-10-06. |
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| 23:31.04 | Brigo | rokuas, you can expect all kind of problem as long as you are using 'testing' (self explanatory) |
| 23:31.11 | rokuas | Brigo: ah okay, thanks |
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| 23:31.39 | Brigo | rokuas, you are welcome :) |
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| 23:47.58 | prosoft | hello word |
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| 23:51.27 | LordMux | echo hello prosoft | festival --tts |
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| 23:54.01 | teraflops | xD |
| 23:54.35 | teraflops | LordMux: I hear to pdfs this way : |
| 23:54.37 | teraflops | P |
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| 23:57.20 | LordMux | And how is it for pdfs? |
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| 23:58.26 | teraflops | LordMux: pdftotext any.pdf - | festival --tts |
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| 23:59.22 | goatkid | hi debian |
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