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| 00:01.09 | Lionyx | is there any problem running pipelight? |
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| 00:01.50 | Lionyx | not a chrome / chromium kind of guy |
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| 00:09.13 | mcon | Can anybody help me setting up nvidia-driver? I keep getting "(EE) no devices detected" |
| 00:09.42 | abrotman | markybob: yes |
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| 00:15.50 | PurpleDude | Need help with firmware-iwlwifi please |
| 00:16.08 | PurpleDude | Debian Jessie stable |
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| 00:19.43 | PurpleDude | Firmware-linux-nonfree ? Or iwlwifi? |
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| 00:20.46 | Lionyx | PurpleDude: http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 00:21.12 | Lionyx | i put this one on my apt source file to get a realtek wifi card working. |
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| 00:23.18 | PurpleDude | Lol |
| 00:23.33 | km0201 | PurpleDude, what's wrong with iwlwifi? |
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| 00:23.42 | Lionyx | and that's all my knowbase :D lol |
| 00:24.04 | PurpleDude | I've been at this for 2 months... |
| 00:24.34 | km0201 | Lionyx, did netflix work in chromium/ |
| 00:25.16 | PurpleDude | Yeah non-free repo pulls in all kinds of garbage... |
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| 00:25.43 | Lionyx | km0201: still not. I've got the 2 .so files, tried to stick it in /usr/lib/chromium, but still nothing |
| 00:25.54 | km0201 | weird. |
| 00:26.01 | km0201 | worked flawlessly for me.. don't even think I installed anything |
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| 00:26.58 | km0201 | but that was w/ chrome |
| 00:27.59 | km0201 | yeah, looks like it doesn't work w/ IW... probably need pipelight. |
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| 00:28.06 | Lionyx | will i have to surrender to googles's power?? oh nooo :D |
| 00:28.07 | km0201 | i thought pipelight went away though |
| 00:28.38 | km0201 | Lionyx, just embrace it... get the google icon tattoo'd on your head and call it done |
| 00:28.53 | PurpleDude | These darn non-free proprietary firmware binary blobs... |
| 00:29.28 | teraflops | Lionyx: did you take a look at https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=chromium-widevine for some clues ? |
| 00:29.32 | km0201 | yeah. :( |
| 00:30.54 | Lionyx | teraflops: yes man. |
| 00:31.01 | teraflops | ah |
| 00:31.10 | PurpleDude | I wouldn't be here on irc if I hadn't consulted the hierarchies of knowledge.. |
| 00:31.58 | PurpleDude | (Google/yahoo/ddg) |
| 00:32.42 | PurpleDude | But has iwlwifi been replaced with firm-ware-linux-nonfree? |
| 00:33.53 | polyphagia | PurpleDude: i think that's just a meta package that houses iwlwifi |
| 00:34.09 | polyphagia | nevermind |
| 00:34.11 | beknowly|desk | What wireless chipset are you using? |
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| 00:34.27 | polyphagia | it is meta package though, but i don't think it has iwlwifi |
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| 00:35.44 | PurpleDude | Cause I extracted the blobs in the *.debs and shoved em hard into /lib/firmware |
| 00:35.45 | PurpleDude | Then, the wifi was working great... But as soon as I did an aptitutde update/upgrade... All hell broke loose |
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| 00:37.10 | PurpleDude | Intel Corp ultmate N wifi link 5300 |
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| 00:38.43 | PurpleDude | 64 bit multiarch on an HP EliteBook 6930p |
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| 00:40.40 | Lionyx | Damn google chrome! Just dpkg (ed) the .deb from google and netflix works out of the box... |
| 00:40.52 | Lionyx | right out... |
| 00:40.53 | PurpleDude | Cause I don't leave the "non-free" repo in my sources.list cause its full of nasty ware I don't trust |
| 00:42.12 | PurpleDude | How would one go about building ONLY the necessary blobs to get it running? |
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| 00:43.33 | PurpleDude | Cause aptitude tracks all deps and I don't want an "aptitude upgrade" to trash my next config.. :( |
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| 00:46.25 | PurpleDude | I did a modprobe iwlwifi fw_restart=1 and that got it goin' again but I'm sure it'll crap out on upgrade |
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| 00:47.40 | Lionyx | teraflops: km0201 tks for your help. but big G has to be on my computer for this one task only. |
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| 00:52.24 | Lionyx | when i set a file to chattr +i, how do I see this set? I couldn't find it on ls 's manual |
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| 00:54.23 | Hello71 | Lionyx: ls does not show attributes because those are specific to ext filesystems |
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| 00:56.13 | Lionyx | Hello71: hmmm right. is there any tool you know able to list and mark files with those sets? |
| 00:56.21 | Hello71 | lsattr. |
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| 01:00.09 | Lionyx | Hello71: excellent! so obvious. now i'll keep studying attrbis and try to figure out all possibilities for those dashes :D |
| 01:00.18 | Lionyx | tks Hello71 |
| 01:00.37 | Hello71 | man chattr. |
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| 01:06.54 | teraflops | Lionyx: ah :S |
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| 01:19.38 | Lionyx | sooo i'm trying out debian for some weeks now and really trying out dangerous stuff as fdisk (just for the sake of knowing stuff), in order to not mess with my sistem I set another Debian inside a VM using virtualbox. |
| 01:19.54 | Lionyx | How do i ssh into this VM? (is this the right place to ask this?) |
| 01:20.25 | nodiscc | Lionyx: you need the IP address of the VM |
| 01:20.41 | polyphagia | and the vm needs openssh-server |
| 01:20.57 | polyphagia | run ifconfig in the VM |
| 01:21.05 | polyphagia | and get the inet address |
| 01:21.07 | polyphagia | under eth0 |
| 01:21.29 | polyphagia | then on your host system just run $ ssh <vm-user>@<inet-address-found> |
| 01:21.43 | polyphagia | Lionyx: ^ |
| 01:22.23 | Lionyx | greeeeeeeat. tks! i'll do it |
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| 01:24.01 | PurpleDude | Jelly Blob of wifi binary... |
| 01:24.05 | asdqw | How can I verify a netinstall debian iso? There doesn't seem to be any checksums on the debian website. |
| 01:25.13 | abrotman | There are in the directory you download it from |
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| 01:26.31 | asdqw | abrotman: CTRL-F is giving me nothing. Got a link? |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:26.54 | asdqw | I can't find it. |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | in the directory you download from ont he server, there are sum files |
| 01:27.01 | abrotman | what did you download? |
| 01:27.09 | asdqw | https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 01:27.20 | abrotman | not where, what |
| 01:27.40 | iTaskmanager | abrotman: Do you speak german? |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | nein |
| 01:28.02 | asdqw | I downloaded this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | my last name was mangled by Ellis Island or something |
| 01:28.05 | iTaskmanager | Write here in english, please. :) |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | iTaskmanager: not amused .. |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | asdqw: so take off the .iso part, look in that directory |
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| 01:29.41 | asdqw | Oh shit. Didn't see that. Thanks abrotman . |
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| 01:33.25 | iTaskmanager | nvm |
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| 01:34.45 | abrotman | well, at least I know it wasn't the upgrade .. clean install doesn't work either .. |
| 01:34.56 | Haxxa | What software do you guys use for backups - currently considering bacula? |
| 01:35.30 | PurpleDude | I'll give full privs access to my datacenter multiple bare-metal servers with unlimited root access, 32Gb of ram , Xeon 64bit Intel with full Vm caps, 6 terabytes, Gigabit Ethernet, 20 IP4 addresses/ a ::1/64 ipv6 subnet, 24/7 90% guaranteed uptime. To anyone whom can help un-blobify my wifi so I card and get back to work... |
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| 01:41.29 | beepie | Lionyx, well easiest is to use the "bridge" option, but in order to do that you have to add the user to the vboxusers group |
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| 01:42.23 | frzr | Having some issues with Lenovo t420s card reader , when inserting the card i get mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card, anyone know how to solve this? |
| 01:42.49 | Lionyx | beepie: tks! i'm trying now the VBoxManage option to redirect a port to some of my ports :) |
| 01:44.10 | beepie | Lionyx, takes mroe work to use "nat", just use bridge, it's much easier.. |
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| 01:47.43 | Lionyx | beepie: i don't know how to do it. but following the tip 2 on this, i did it :) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5906441/how-to-ssh-to-a-virtualbox-guest-externally-through-a-host |
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| 01:48.07 | erxr3 | hello, can you help me with some ddrescue questions please? |
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| 01:50.21 | erxr3 | I created a disk image with ddrescue, and tried testdisk on it. it didnt work and because I also heard that ddrescue can recover files, I want to try that. but I see that it has the same command line format that I used for creating disk image. does ddrescue really recover lost files, too, or does it just create disk images? if former, then how can I adjust the command to recover files from a disk image to an external drive? |
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| 01:58.15 | Lionyx | tks u all! thats all for today :D |
| 01:58.35 | moduleo | hello iam trying to get "xtables geoip" up and running but whenever i try to apply a "geoip"-rule of the likes of "sudo 1 iptables -A INPUT -m geoip --src-cc KR,CN,IN,RU,SA,TR,VN,UA,BR,VE,PK,JP,DE,IT -j DROP |
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| 01:58.39 | moduleo | " |
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| 01:59.22 | moduleo | the only thing i get is the following message: "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name." |
| 02:00.18 | moduleo | Any ideas to what this might be related? |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | might want to ask #netfilter |
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| 02:02.36 | moduleo | abrotman: is this the official (if there is such a thing) xtables-channel? |
| 02:04.26 | moduleo | i think i probably found the error (double-checking right now) |
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| 02:10.45 | moduleo | the packages in the repos are outdated. |
| 02:10.59 | moduleo | seems to be the same "bug" as here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xtables-addons/+bug/1321472 |
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| 02:12.51 | moduleo | guess i'll have to compile from source |
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| 02:22.20 | rohan | Hello |
| 02:22.42 | rohan | Anyone here |
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| 02:24.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:24.33 | rohan | Hello |
| 02:24.38 | brguy | someone here |
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| 02:25.10 | rohan | How can I get LightDM to behave normally in a fresh Debian install |
| 02:25.55 | brguy | rohan, define "behave normally" |
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| 02:30.57 | Monalisa | hiya |
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| 02:44.56 | Haxxa | Anyone know if there is an option to use gnome print dialouge over the in built libreoffice one - as gnome has support for cloud print while libre does not.. |
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| 02:58.31 | LordShadowWing | somiaj, what was that? |
| 02:59.01 | padxni | some kernel got bufferoverflow'd |
| 02:59.08 | somiaj | LordShadowWing: this channel gets lots of strange forms of spam. |
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| 03:00.29 | somiaj | Haxxa: probabaly not directly, you may have to say save/print to pdf (or post script) and then print the file from an application that can see the cloud printer. Either that or configure CUPS to know about cloud printers. |
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| 03:01.13 | Haxxa | somiaj, Thats what I currently do - just wondering if I could somehow intergrate gtk print dialouge into libre |
| 03:02.13 | somiaj | Haxxa: probabaly not, as libreoffice seems to prefer to use its own dialogs/widges over the gtk3. |
| 03:02.32 | somiaj | Haxxa: do the printers chance a lot that you can't just configure them in CUPS? |
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| 03:03.48 | Haxxa | somiaj, Well I could but I need some 3rd party app for cloud print as its not enabled in cups |
| 03:03.54 | ssl_ | hey guys anyone outh there |
| 03:03.58 | Haxxa | somiaj, prefer not to |
| 03:04.15 | Haxxa | There are some python apps that link to cups but a lot of overhead |
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| 03:04.21 | ssl_ | guys i need some help here |
| 03:04.25 | Haxxa | + in all other menus = two printers |
| 03:04.28 | brguy | ssl_, just ask |
| 03:05.13 | ssl_ | I need to buid a production server environment which flavour of debian is recomended?? |
| 03:05.34 | somiaj | Haxxa: hmm, yea I'm unsure what cloud print is, I'm just surprised you can't configure cups to know about these 'network printers' |
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| 03:05.45 | somiaj | ssl_: we recomened debian stable, jessie. |
| 03:06.11 | ssl_ | Debian stable it is then |
| 03:06.13 | brguy | ssl_, debian stable++ |
| 03:06.24 | Haxxa | somiaj, its a closed source immplementation by google for printing over the internet |
| 03:06.34 | Haxxa | somiaj, gnome has intergrated support for it |
| 03:07.03 | somiaj | Haxxa: I don't know enough about printing to be of much help. But I would check out libreoffice support and see what they say. Maybe file a wishlist/feature request bug for libreoffice to support cloud printing (as it would probabaly be better than getting them to just use gtk3 interface) |
| 03:07.17 | Haxxa | somiaj, ok thanks |
| 03:07.21 | Haxxa | will do |
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| 03:08.02 | ssl_ | By the way which web server works best on debian apache or nginx |
| 03:08.27 | brguy | ssl_, both works fine. |
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| 03:09.14 | somiaj | ssl_: I would say pick the one you like best. apache seems to be the old standard, but nginx seems to be popular these days. there is also lighthttpd as well I belive. |
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| 03:10.10 | brguy | somiaj, I think ssl_ left, but what you said seems to be true. More "modern" applications tend to abandon Apache |
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| 03:16.40 | Monalisa | ty |
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| 03:18.38 | RepThis1 | Hey guys i installed debian 7.9 64x and choose to install parts of the lamp stack even though the intstaller didnt seem to present it all and was wondering, do they install something besides the standard mysql? Also on OpenSUSE they installed the web files/apps into /srv/www/htdocs with the user wwwrun and www as the group and was wondering what the equivalents are in debian? |
| 03:19.27 | RepThis1 | to me it looks like a /var/lib ? |
| 03:21.57 | brguy | RepThis1, you mean if the default installation of Apache on Debian uses /var/lib? Are you following something like this? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-debian |
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| 03:25.31 | brguy | RepThis1, the standard place that Apache uses is /var/www/ but this may vary depending on what you used to install |
| 03:26.35 | cjen129 | when i do sudo ifconfig wlan1 up i get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted" |
| 03:26.43 | cjen129 | why is that? |
| 03:27.20 | somiaj | cjen129: check demsg, could ti be you don't have the firmware for that wifi card installed and it can't be brought up? |
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| 03:28.04 | cjen129 | somiaj, thanks i'll check dmesg now |
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| 03:28.53 | brguy | cjen129, check "sudo rfkill list" and check if your network card is "soft-blocked" |
| 03:31.06 | cjen129 | brguy, nothing seems to be soft-blocked |
| 03:32.36 | brguy | cjen129, how exactly is the error? can you paste it? |
| 03:33.42 | cjen129 | sure let me put something up on paste.debian.net because im a bit confused with demsg. but when i do sudo ifconfig -a i see wlanX there listed |
| 03:34.07 | somiaj | cjen129: dmesg | grep wlan1 |
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| 03:34.37 | cjen129 | firmware failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin (-2), then Direct firmware load failed with error -2 |
| 03:34.39 | somiaj | see if you see any errors about loading firmware |
| 03:34.58 | somiaj | that is your error. Do you have firmware-realtek installed? |
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| 03:36.22 | cjen129 | somiaj, it says unable to locate package firmware-realtek |
| 03:36.29 | cjen129 | when i did apt-cache policy firmware-realtek |
| 03:36.38 | somiaj | cjen129: do you have non-free soruces enabled? |
| 03:36.42 | somiaj | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 03:36.43 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 0.44~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20151018-2; stretch/non-free: 20151018-2 |
| 03:36.48 | somiaj | !tell cjen129 about non-free |
| 03:36.58 | cjen129 | let me check my sources.list. i think i do |
| 03:37.00 | somiaj | cjen129: you need to enable non-free sources to get that non-free firwmare. |
| 03:37.35 | cjen129 | thanks for the help by the way i really appreciate it |
| 03:39.16 | RepThis1 | brguy: well i just used w/e the installer had as an option, and i have no www in /var/lib |
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| 03:40.27 | somiaj | RepThis1: it is just /var/www |
| 03:40.53 | RepThis1 | somiaj: so web applications u install would go into the /var/www |
| 03:41.31 | somiaj | RepThis1: by default, this is of course easily configurable with Domains and VirtualDomains in your webserver |
| 03:41.58 | somiaj | RepThis1: i.e. it is probabaly better to configure where you want to put your various DocumentRoot, but by default the DocumentRoot of the default setup is /var/www |
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| 03:42.38 | RepThis1 | somiaj: oh its /var/www, i was looking at /var/lib |
| 03:42.48 | brguy | +1 |
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| 03:43.13 | brguy | RepThis1, did you install with apt-get? if so the link I sent before has a lot of help |
| 03:43.23 | RepThis1 | brguy: no, the debian installer |
| 03:43.23 | brguy | for all LAMP software you'll have to install eventually |
| 03:43.25 | somiaj | RepThis1: actually looks like on apache2 it is now /var/www/html |
| 03:43.37 | somiaj | Now I don't really know much about LAMP. |
| 03:43.38 | brguy | somiaj, yeah, that's correct |
| 03:43.52 | brguy | RepThis1, what do you mean by debian installer? you download a .deb file |
| 03:43.53 | brguy | ? |
| 03:44.08 | RepThis1 | brguy: during installation |
| 03:44.45 | RepThis1 | i feel like it installed postgre instead of mysql for the database. Where do they locate databases in debian by default? |
| 03:45.16 | cjen129 | somiaj, looks like firmware-realtek isn't installed. i'm installing it now. already had contrib and non-free in sources.list |
| 03:45.18 | somiaj | RepThis1: debian gives you the option to use either. Paticular applications may prefer one over another. |
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| 03:45.41 | somiaj | cjen129: you can then just modprobe -r module_name && modprobe module_name to reload the module with the correct firmware |
| 03:45.44 | somiaj | cjen129: (or reboot) |
| 03:45.47 | RepThis1 | somiaj: when i installed i dont think it gave me an option just a box to check :( |
| 03:46.12 | brguy | RepThis1, one problem at a time. Are you sure you have Apache installed? What is the result of "which apachectl"? |
| 03:46.25 | cjen129 | somiaj, does it matter if the adapter is connected while i am installing this or should i detach it? |
| 03:46.26 | brguy | if you run this command on the terminal, RepThis1 |
| 03:46.26 | somiaj | RepThis1: tasksel gives you a very limited set of tasks you can choose from if you want defaults. I personally suggest to not use tasksel, drop into a minimial system and install the software you want to use. |
| 03:46.32 | RepThis1 | brguy: i know i have it installed cause localhost says it works |
| 03:46.32 | somiaj | cjen129: that is fine |
| 03:46.46 | somiaj | cjen129: installing the firmware does nothing until you reload the module. |
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| 03:47.15 | brguy | RepThis1, what are the contents of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf? |
| 03:47.28 | somiaj | RepThis1: note some webappliactions will depend on mysql, some will allow either mysql or some other sql server. I would keep that in mind when deciding what database server to use. |
| 03:47.30 | RepThis1 | somiaj: i dont think i have ever really used a modprobe before, say it removes the module, how is this different from just sudo apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 03:47.57 | somiaj | RepThis1: modules are just in memeory, these are kernel things, and that modprobe comment was to cjen129, sorry if I got your nicks confused |
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| 03:48.13 | cjen129 | lol |
| 03:48.35 | somiaj | RepThis1: but there is a big difference between reloading a kernel module and installing/remove software on your machine. (: |
| 03:48.56 | cjen129 | i usually use apt-get purge, is apt-get remove --purge a thing too? |
| 03:49.16 | RepThis1 | brguy: which apachectl returns nothing |
| 03:49.41 | brguy | RepThis1, so you don't have Apache properly installed |
| 03:49.56 | somiaj | cjen129: they do the same thing, apt-get purge was added after the flag --purge was |
| 03:50.00 | brguy | RepThis1, I suggest you to remove and install Apache properly since you don't know how you installed :) |
| 03:50.12 | brguy | RepThis1, you say you said you know it works, what is loading on localhost? |
| 03:50.49 | RepThis1 | somiaj: tasksel, thats interesting. Looks like sql database isnt even installed? well that makes it easier i guess. |
| 03:51.20 | brguy | RepThis1, which apache2 doesn't return anything? |
| 03:51.46 | brguy | RepThis1, I suggest you to install according to that tutorial I sent before :^) to install step-by-step each one of the LAMP items |
| 03:52.17 | cjen129 | somiaj, thanks it worked |
| 03:52.22 | RepThis1 | brguy: there is no httpd directory |
| 03:52.35 | cjen129 | signal strength is pretty weak on this thing |
| 03:52.42 | brguy | RepThis1, httpd? |
| 03:52.49 | brguy | RepThis1, please try https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-debian |
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| 03:53.23 | brguy | to install LAMP, after (re)installing it we can check it better :) |
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| 03:53.58 | brguy | RepThis1, and MySQL uses /var/lib/mysql/ to store the databases, if any |
| 03:54.24 | cjen129 | somiaj, it's picking up all wifi networks around me but the signal strength is -1 for them all. i went right up to my router and still |
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| 03:55.04 | RepThis1 | brguy: the index.html located in /var/www |
| 03:56.15 | RepThis1 | cjen129: apt-get autoremove purge |
| 03:56.30 | somiaj | cjen129: check the rfkill again, make sure there isn't some software kill switch on it. |
| 03:57.16 | brguy | RepThis1, so you solved your problem :) |
| 03:58.56 | RepThis1 | yeah idk what that installed did but this is foobar. good to know the default locations though. I guess another question i might have is security. Is it good practice to create a new user for each new web app or just use w/e defaults there may be, like apache2 says its suppose to be www-data , not sure what mysql is. |
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| 04:00.49 | RepThis1 | somiaj: lol, how do u use tasksel, i dont see any information on which key to press to delete an entry. |
| 04:00.58 | cjen129 | somiaj, it says hard blocked. phy0, wlan, bluetooth |
| 04:01.36 | cjen129 | somiaj, that's weird because i have another wifi adapter which i can plug in and it works |
| 04:01.41 | cjen129 | i was just trying to switch to another model |
| 04:01.59 | somiaj | RepThis1: that is the software that was run to install groups of packages. It is best (in my opinion) to just install the packages you need with apt-get, don't need tasksel |
| 04:02.12 | somiaj | cjen129: that means there is a hardware switch on the device or laptop turning it off. |
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| 04:03.04 | RepThis1 | somiaj: i just wanted to use it to remove, wasnt sure what the recommended way was cause on say fedora, when u mistype a package and it recommends one for you, it will not show in in the transactional database, so ur kinda screwed if u wanna remove it unless u know more advanced commands. |
| 04:03.18 | somiaj | RepThis1: just remove things with apt-get, use apt to manage your packages. |
| 04:03.43 | somiaj | RepThis1: dpkg -l will list all installed apcakges, so will aptitude search ~i |
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| 04:03.47 | Rusty1 | hard blocked means a switch on the case , a fn-key or bios setting is blocking |
| 04:03.54 | somiaj | you can also search for packages with apt-cache search or aptitude search |
| 04:04.04 | somiaj | Rusty1: I think this is a usb device, so I would assume it is on the device |
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| 04:07.35 | Rusty1 | cjen129: unplug and replug the adapter, type: dmesg in a terminal, anything relevant? |
| 04:08.13 | cjen129 | Rusty1, i'll do that and check thanks |
| 04:09.00 | cjen129 | but i have a working wifi adapter. the reason it says hard block is because i flipped the switch on the laptop's broken internal wifi adapter |
| 04:09.12 | RepThis1 | running those 3 commands to remove software was hard work, well time for a drink |
| 04:09.15 | cjen129 | let me check dmesg |
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| 04:10.34 | Rusty1 | cjen129: what is the make/model of theusb adapter then |
| 04:11.42 | somiaj | cjen129: did hitting the hard-lock on your laptop remove the hardlock and things start to work better? |
| 04:13.46 | cjen129 | somiaj, it unblocked it yes but it's not working better. all wifi networks are still -1% signal. |
| 04:13.58 | cjen129 | i think maybe i should try removing wicd and using network-manager? |
| 04:14.38 | somiaj | cjen129: that shouldn't matter. Do you get the same low signal strenght when you run 'iwlist wlan1 scan' |
| 04:14.41 | cjen129 | wlan3: link is not ready (6 times) Then: wlan3: link becomes ready (1 time) |
| 04:14.45 | cjen129 | that's what dmesg says |
| 04:15.10 | cjen129 | wlan1* |
| 04:16.30 | somiaj | cjen129: hmm, don't know what the problem is. I just know my experience with realtek hardware is it is sometimes flaky. (: |
| 04:16.36 | cjen129 | iwlist command not found |
| 04:16.38 | Rusty1 | cjen129: what does uname -r , in a terminal return? |
| 04:16.39 | cjen129 | do i need to install that |
| 04:16.55 | cjen129 | 3.16.0.4-686-pae |
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| 04:16.59 | somiaj | cjen129: you probabaly just have to be root to run it, it is part of wireless-tools and most likley not in the users PATH |
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| 04:17.57 | cjen129 | signal level 0 for al |
| 04:17.59 | cjen129 | all |
| 04:18.06 | cjen129 | :( |
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| 04:19.48 | cjen129 | somiaj, thanks for the help . the good thing is i have a working usb wifi adapter. it's just this other realtek one doesn't work for some reaso |
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| 04:20.24 | somiaj | cjen129: well check dmesg, look for errors, maybe find the exact chipset/model and see if you can find info on google |
| 04:20.31 | cjen129 | Rusty1, sorry didn't see your question. it's a TP-LINK model TL-WN723N |
| 04:20.32 | Rusty1 | a newer kernel might help, as might disabling ipv6 |
| 04:22.25 | cjen129 | Rusty1, how can i disable ipv6? |
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| 04:22.31 | Rusty1 | cjen129: google TL-WN723N wikidevi, surprised it works at all |
| 04:23.08 | cjen129 | ok |
| 04:29.39 | cjen129 | thanks for all the help |
| 04:29.46 | cjen129 | going to return this thing |
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| 04:53.03 | GitGud | why is systemd a thing? |
| 04:53.27 | km0201 | cuz.. it's a bad thing |
| 04:53.30 | km0201 | :) |
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| 04:53.45 | km0201 | seriously bad... lol, google the mailing lists where torvalds is cussing people out over it..lol |
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| 04:54.34 | phy1729 | Linus doesn't have a problem with systemd just the devs |
| 04:54.56 | km0201 | i know... i just love his rants |
| 04:56.33 | km0201 | http://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd/ |
| 04:57.24 | km0201 | honestly, i think 98% of users, will never even notice systemd... I know I haven't. |
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| 04:58.12 | somiaj | km0201: that was my experience and what i was oping for during the transition when jessie was testing. That it would be very smooth for the end user. |
| 04:58.28 | km0201 | yup. |
| 04:58.41 | somiaj | but this is not the appropraite place to debate systemd. |
| 04:58.49 | km0201 | lol :) |
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| 06:00.21 | Monalisa | hi, I'm installing Jessie and its going to configure the network, I wonder if I should use the domain of my ISP or leave it blank... this is a home computer. |
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| 09:08.48 | mahinda | How can I see uninstalled packages. I think that I have removed yesterday an important package but I don't which it was. |
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| 09:10.21 | mahinda | I want to see logs of unistalled packages, this is a better formulation. |
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| 09:12.27 | h1t3sh | well i dont know of any utility, but you can always check the apt history logs |
| 09:12.56 | h1t3sh | var/log/apt/history.log and then install them back |
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| 09:18.09 | Opcode90 | HI |
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| 09:18.27 | Opcode90 | i just bought VMware 4 days ago |
| 09:18.36 | Opcode90 | I definatly want to install debian |
| 09:18.39 | Opcode90 | and will |
| 09:18.50 | Opcode90 | ill just sit and listen if you dont mind |
| 09:19.08 | h1t3sh | good for u:) |
| 09:19.20 | Opcode90 | can i ask |
| 09:19.40 | h1t3sh | what |
| 09:19.44 | Opcode90 | is most linux/unix source code primarly debian based |
| 09:19.52 | Opcode90 | im more interested in programming |
| 09:20.03 | Opcode90 | other than Microsoft languages |
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| 09:20.56 | h1t3sh | well ,there are lot of things involved, linux was meant to be a free copy of unix |
| 09:21.13 | mahinda | Unfortunately, /var/log/apt/history.log shows only logs of today |
| 09:21.32 | Opcode90 | and Unix, was developed wit the C language originaly by AT and T ? |
| 09:21.43 | Opcode90 | if i remeber from so many years back |
| 09:21.43 | h1t3sh | then there was richard stallman and GNU |
| 09:22.01 | h1t3sh | mahinda : thats bad |
| 09:22.01 | Opcode90 | and C was created just to make Unix |
| 09:22.13 | h1t3sh | mahinda : check your history |
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| 09:23.05 | mahinda | but how, I can only see logs of today |
| 09:23.16 | Opcode90 | didnt say i was right was more trying to recolect |
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| 09:25.37 | h1t3sh | mahinda: u can try term.log in same folder |
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| 09:26.08 | musca | mahinda: history.log got rotated today. |
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| 09:26.49 | Opcode90 | new channel i need to check out |
| 09:27.21 | Opcode90 | if only i knew how to type it in |
| 09:27.23 | mahinda | term.log shows also only logs of today, I think there is no solution for me |
| 09:27.30 | musca | mahinda: zless history.log.1.gz |
| 09:27.47 | jelly | mahinda: ls -l /var/log/apt/history.log* |
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| 09:34.25 | mahinda | thanks, it was in term.log.1 |
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| 10:01.00 | RepThis1 | hey guys, i ran sudo usermod -aG sudo,adm my_user_name to try to fix the 'not in sudoer file' problem and when i ran id on the user account i dont see the group adm, or sudo? |
| 10:01.15 | RepThis1 | is it not added to the supplementary group? |
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| 10:02.41 | RepThis1 | and then i ran a getent group sudo and saw an odd entry, 'sudo:x:27:firstuser' firstuser being the user i was trying to add? |
| 10:04.19 | liske1 | When you must add user to root group you must edit /etc/sudoers.file in debian. |
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| 10:04.54 | RepThis1 | liske1: yeah thats what i eventually had to do to get it to work but i just was curious how to undo whatever i did cause i must have done something as i didnt get any errors |
| 10:05.14 | RepThis1 | and dont recall seeing firstuser in the sudo group when i ran getent group sudo before. |
| 10:05.34 | RepThis1 | unless im reading that output wrong? |
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| 10:08.30 | RepThis1 | didnt c a delete option in the usermod man pages... |
| 10:08.42 | liske1 | When you delete user from root group you delete this user from /etc/sudoers.file or when you server don't use "sudo" command you can uninstall sudo |
| 10:09.48 | RepThis1 | liske1: ok sure, but its not making sense cause when i tried the usermod way it didnt add user to sudoers file |
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| 10:10.58 | RepThis1 | i see him in the /etc/group though |
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| 10:11.47 | RepThis1 | doesnt make sense though why an id doesnt list him in the sudo or adm group, unless i have to logout or sumin |
| 10:11.49 | JyZyXEL | does swapping automatically mean that one would benefit from more memory? |
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| 10:13.09 | RepThis1 | liske1: im going to assume its not a bug, but u have to re-login for changes to be made when added to a group |
| 10:15.41 | RepThis1 | ha, you have to use gpasswd to remove a user from a group, not as straightforward as i would hope. |
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| 10:21.04 | muse | when you usermod -a -G sudo <user>, the user has to log out and back in before it takes effect. |
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| 10:22.41 | RepThis1 | muse: no yeah i found that out stated earlier, thx though. |
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| 10:33.52 | moritz | hi all. Sometimes sound doesn't work, and under wheezy, a "alsa force-reload" would usually fix it. How do I do that reload on jessie? |
| 10:33.59 | moritz | I can't seem find a an "alsa" binary |
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| 11:12.43 | Opcode | howdy howdy |
| 11:13.16 | Opcode | no body likes to hear needy things |
| 11:13.29 | Opcode | but i gota question being a windows dos guy |
| 11:13.57 | Opcode | how come when i run .pl file it comes up as text, with script code |
| 11:14.02 | Opcode | but doesnt run |
| 11:14.29 | Opcode | oh and ya im new to unix/linux |
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| 11:15.29 | p0g0_ | Opcode: look at the basic calling convention for perl. You've associated the .pl type with some text editor, not the perl runtime... why or how, I dunno, but it's likely some default in the GUI manager. |
| 11:15.47 | Opcode | im in kali-linux |
| 11:15.53 | Tsutsukakushi | how did you try to run the script? |
| 11:15.56 | p0g0_ | this is like the file association stuff in windows. |
| 11:16.11 | Tsutsukakushi | just do "./script.pl" in the directory |
| 11:16.12 | p0g0_ | he doesn't yet know how... |
| 11:16.20 | Opcode | trying to do VMware Workstation Pro 12 update |
| 11:16.56 | Opcode | why the word script |
| 11:17.01 | Opcode | does that make it run |
| 11:17.14 | Opcode | the instructions are more like |
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| 11:17.19 | p0g0_ | no, he was using the 'script' as a wildcard |
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| 11:18.09 | Opcode | vmware-config-tools.pl |
| 11:18.32 | p0g0_ | ok, try ./vmware-config-tools.pl |
| 11:18.42 | Opcode | ah i understand wildcards like * asterick in dos |
| 11:19.02 | p0g0_ | if that doesn't launch perl to runt the script, you can invoke perl directly. |
| 11:19.10 | Opcode | from the the terminal mode right? |
| 11:19.11 | p0g0_ | yes, like the globbing *.... |
| 11:19.33 | p0g0_ | yes, from a console, command line, 'DOS box', etc... |
| 11:19.45 | lubarch | hello friends, fdisk /dev/sdb gives me input/output error..the sdb is sata hard disk which has xp installed |
| 11:20.19 | lubarch | i tried cfdisk, fdisk they both gives me input/output error |
| 11:20.32 | lubarch | i tried mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb but nothing worked |
| 11:20.50 | xand | lubarch: sounds like the disk is dying/dead |
| 11:20.52 | p0g0_ | lubarch: likely you want to set the partition table on that drive, and mount the partitions, not the entire drive. |
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| 11:21.20 | frostschutz | lubarch, well, after mkfs.ext4 it certainly hasn't anything installed anymore ;D |
| 11:21.21 | lubarch | p0g0_: yes it is not showing any partitions |
| 11:21.23 | xand | if it has XP on it's probably quite old? |
| 11:21.33 | p0g0_ | but it may be that the drive is dying too, and there are some block devices that are referenced like you showed. |
| 11:21.42 | frostschutz | lubarch, smartctl -a for that disk? |
| 11:22.19 | p0g0_ | lubarch: for grins, try to mount /dev/sdb1 |
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| 11:22.27 | p0g0_ | see if that flies. |
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| 11:23.09 | lubarch | nothing worked |
| 11:23.10 | p0g0_ | you may have stomped on the partition table with that mkfs... |
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| 11:24.24 | lubarch | p0g0_: the harddisk was working it is not dead |
| 11:24.53 | Opcode | omb |
| 11:24.53 | p0g0_ | lubarch: does dmesg report failures on the drive? And what is your goal? |
| 11:24.55 | Opcode | omg |
| 11:24.58 | Opcode | it worked |
| 11:25.09 | Opcode | peole told me i had ot installit in the root |
| 11:25.14 | Opcode | that was bogus |
| 11:25.29 | Opcode | alli had to do was open the folder in terminal |
| 11:25.37 | Opcode | and pop in the command |
| 11:25.38 | p0g0_ | Opcode: I expect they told you that you 'had to be root to install it' |
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| 11:25.57 | Opcode | well its under media |
| 11:26.03 | p0g0_ | the root user in Linux is like the Admin in Windows. |
| 11:26.16 | Opcode | and i right clicked on the folder in media and said open the folder in terminal |
| 11:26.23 | Opcode | and popped in the command |
| 11:26.23 | lubarch | p0g0_: i don't know about dmesg, i want to mount it |
| 11:26.38 | Opcode | im not actually in debian |
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| 11:26.50 | p0g0_ | lubarch: you want to mount the working XP partition, that was likely /dev/sdb1, right? |
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| 11:27.17 | p0g0_ | lubarch: and when installed, it was likely /dev/sda1... |
| 11:27.19 | Opcode | il be hush hush now cuz ty guys |
| 11:27.34 | Opcode | ya helped me plenty |
| 11:27.45 | p0g0_ | Opcode: be sure to try more Debian/linux stuff... it's worth your time. |
| 11:28.00 | Opcode | oh Debian is gonna be my main focus |
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| 11:28.14 | Opcode | im just installing every operationg system alive |
| 11:28.26 | Opcode | into VMworkstaton 12 Pro |
| 11:28.37 | Opcode | for educational purposes |
| 11:28.50 | Opcode | I had already chosen debian as the main linux |
| 11:28.51 | p0g0_ | Opcode: look at the vm stuff in linux then, virtualbox, a fine vm system... |
| 11:28.54 | lubarch | p0g0_: i first want to create ext4 partition on it and then mount it |
| 11:29.14 | Opcode | ya keep hearing bout virtual box |
| 11:29.27 | lubarch | and dmesg show messages about sdb |
| 11:29.29 | Opcode | i paid 249 bux for VMware workstation pro |
| 11:29.31 | p0g0_ | lubarch: OK, so you don't want to keep the old XP? You just want to partition the drive and construct filesystems on it.... |
| 11:29.38 | Opcode | so far not disappointed |
| 11:29.59 | p0g0_ | Opcode: you'll pay 0$ for VB, and it's a good tool. |
| 11:30.04 | p0g0_ | anyway... |
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| 11:30.08 | Opcode | I want to run every MS OS, 95-19 |
| 11:30.18 | Opcode | sorry 95 - 10 |
| 11:30.23 | lubarch | p0g0_: yess |
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| 11:30.37 | Opcode | NS ll NT Servers |
| 11:30.45 | Opcode | and All LInux and Unix |
| 11:30.56 | Opcode | and even Apple against is EULA |
| 11:31.01 | Opcode | brb |
| 11:31.05 | p0g0_ | lubarch: OK, and when you invoke cfdisk/gparted/fdisk and offer it /dev/sdb, you get an IO error? |
| 11:31.34 | lubarch | p0g0_: yess, cannot open input/ouput error |
| 11:32.32 | erxr3 | hello everyone, is anyone familiar with testdisk here? |
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| 11:33.46 | p0g0_ | lubarch: OK, If it were me, I'd be looking in the dmesg log to see what errors were reported about that drive at startup, if any. It may simply be that you are calling the wrong device (you might want /dev/sda, for example). |
| 11:33.58 | Opcode | I gotta tell ya folks even in the Vmware room when i mentioned kali-linux, i got called a troll and kicked out, im ethical, more that you know |
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| 11:34.53 | lubarch | p0g0_: dmesg is reporting errors but i can't able to understand them, can i copy paste to you? |
| 11:35.06 | p0g0_ | pastebin.com or such, yes. |
| 11:35.14 | Opcode | When I went to Kali-Linux asked for help on the vmware update couple were nice tried to help then got threated by admins to toake the convo elsewhere |
| 11:35.47 | bazhang | #vmware then Opcode |
| 11:36.20 | Opcode | ya vmware then kali-linux the two place i went |
| 11:36.26 | Opcode | but you guys right away |
| 11:36.36 | bazhang | #kali-linux is the place for that support not #debian Opcode |
| 11:36.36 | Opcode | helped me and fixed it |
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| 11:37.11 | p0g0_ | bazhang: he is making the point that the two places that should have been helpful were not... |
| 11:37.15 | Opcode | perhap you misunderstand,im install all OS's |
| 11:37.21 | Opcode | in VMWARE |
| 11:37.35 | Opcode | of coarse is started in the VMWARE ROOM |
| 11:37.37 | bazhang | thats a lot of OS |
| 11:37.55 | Opcode | when there were issues with nevermind its solved |
| 11:37.56 | p0g0_ | he won't get them all, youthful ambition and all that... |
| 11:37.59 | Opcode | hehe |
| 11:38.03 | erxr3 | I'd like to try testdisk to restore a filesystem, should I select the partition labelled with L (linux) or X (extended) ? |
| 11:38.23 | bazhang | the cloud could do, but a single workstation might struggle |
| 11:38.40 | Opcode | the hardest so far, has been Win 95 |
| 11:38.50 | Opcode | and yes ive done it |
| 11:38.54 | erxr3 | and I have ext4 filesystem, but this is not shown under those listed in "Type" section. do I need to select "Linux" instead? |
| 11:38.58 | Opcode | and made many notes |
| 11:39.08 | Opcode | i could send if someone wants to try it on their own |
| 11:39.10 | p0g0_ | erxr3: the 'extended' is a placeholder for other patitions, the linux is the only one you mentioned that might be valid. Within the extended partition, however, you may find partitions that you want. |
| 11:39.12 | Opcode | save ya some time |
| 11:40.17 | Opcode | tell me I can't do it. and you and i may become friends. |
| 11:40.27 | Opcode | because i always do find a way. |
| 11:40.38 | Opcode | even if i have to write custom code. |
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| 11:41.10 | p0g0_ | lubarch: from that dmesg log, I'll guess that you have trashed the partition table on /dev/sdb. I'd be inclined to try to restart the machine and see if I could manage to flog a partition table onto the drive. |
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| 11:41.13 | erxr3 | p0g0_ , I have, say, 4 partitions, and each listed partition contains 2 entries, one with L and one with X. so I need to select L, then. |
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| 11:42.37 | hexnewbie | Opcode: When you're done with all GNU/Linux distros, installing all Debian versions from Buzz to Stretch (and repeating that for all other distros) is a nice way to avoid installing, e.g. Mac OS 8 or OpenVMS |
| 11:42.40 | p0g0_ | erxr3: hmm, I need to clue up on the new partition tables... what you describe makes no sense in the context of the old MS/OS2 tables.. |
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| 11:44.57 | Opcode | Not sure exactly what you mean hexnewbie |
| 11:45.09 | erxr3 | p0g0_, my successfully created and data-saved partition has become shown as "unknown" in the next session, for some reason. I will try to restore the file system via a solution I found with testdisk. but ext4 isn't displayed among file types in testdisk..I would like to ask here if I need to choose "Linux" as file type instead |
| 11:45.13 | Opcode | i know to do Apple is to break its EUla |
| 11:45.33 | p0g0_ | Opcode: he's being 'helpful', probably best to not take him too seriously... |
| 11:45.36 | Opcode | but i think id Macs newer OS's |
| 11:45.59 | Opcode | i dont care bout every OSx from mac |
| 11:46.15 | Opcode | heck i dont even know the knewest 10 or somethin? |
| 11:46.58 | Opcode | oh i dont get angry or nothin |
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| 11:47.25 | Opcode | im bi curious, like if someomes pulling my leg or tellin me the truth |
| 11:47.26 | p0g0_ | erxr3: OK, my issue is that I cannot sort out if you are using the old style MSDOS tables or the new 'GUID' table type. That is my ignorance, and I'll see if I can sort it out. |
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| 11:48.03 | Opcode | for Win 95C OSR 2.5? |
| 11:48.18 | Opcode | running on win 7.1 i think |
| 11:48.20 | p0g0_ | erxr3: if you are interested: https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/730440-using-the-new-guid-partition-table-in-linux-good-bye-ancient-mbr- |
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| 11:48.40 | Opcode | i mean dos 7.1 |
| 11:48.41 | erxr3 | p0g0_ , oh, your answer lit up a bulb... |
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| 11:49.15 | hexnewbie | Opcode: There's more curious stuff when installing old distros, than various distros (as any current distros all basically the same thing). That's why I have etch and slink and potato chroots. And they would be easier to install than the really hard stuff (good luck getting OpenVMS to run - Win95 also sounds easy in comparison) |
| 11:49.23 | Opcode | its not easy putting dos on VMWARE |
| 11:49.32 | Opcode | and then installing win 95 |
| 11:49.40 | erxr3 | p0g0_ I was just discussing the problem with someone hours ago, and he asked if there could be a mismatch between MBR and GPT..I think this is what you mean, right? |
| 11:50.45 | erxr3 | and I am curious at this point, whether this can have to do with selecting "msdos" while formatting the drive for the first time |
| 11:50.48 | p0g0_ | erxr3: yep, and the two will never mix well- you need one or the other on a disk, and you may find your machine's BIOS has an attitude about that too (UFI vs BIOS) |
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| 11:51.36 | Opcode | All my vmware is install on 5 tb drives, but Vmware makes mbr im sure Fat 32 partitions, this one allows large disk suppprt |
| 11:51.37 | lubarch | p0g0_: i restarted the machine |
| 11:51.45 | tremon | actually, GPT was designed to co-exist with MBR. some tools will even write a duplicate MBR to match the GPT (if possible) |
| 11:51.50 | erxr3 | on the other hand, while I selected msdos at formatting the problematic drive, the partitioning of both this drive and my system are shown as MBR |
| 11:52.26 | Opcode | bit as long as its in Virtual Mode, it can do anything with its space |
| 11:52.39 | tremon | but usually gpt tools will write a single MBR entry that spans the entire disk, to prevent non-gpt tools from messing with it |
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| 11:53.34 | p0g0_ | tremon: I didn't kow they could co-exist...that sounds like a short trip to trouble tho. |
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| 11:54.31 | Opcode | hum didnt run into that trouble perhaps its the later version from abandonware love to give you the site for win95c osr2.5, but ya it made a fat 32 partion in the spcace i alloted to it |
| 11:54.49 | p0g0_ | lubarch: your drive is reporting hardware errors (bad blocks). You might be able to use something like dd to wipe the start of the drive and then reformat it, and then do a bad block scan... or I might be wrong. |
| 11:54.55 | erxr3 | p0g0_ though i cannot remember very well, I might have formatted the whole drive with gparted, while creating the partitions with disk utility tool, which might be using MBR..yet, there are other partitions that remained intact. |
| 11:55.34 | lubarch | p0g0_: how to use dd to wipe the drive |
| 11:55.34 | Opcode | See the reason i never ran linux |
| 11:55.35 | tremon | p0g0_: you're right about that. But it's helpful for systems that only know mbr... as long as you're only using the disk, not editing the partition table |
| 11:56.01 | Opcode | was because i need special boot tools to boot different OS's |
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| 11:56.20 | Opcode | ya dont need that with VMware Workstation Pro 12 |
| 11:56.32 | Opcode | and let me tell ya |
| 11:56.44 | p0g0_ | Opcode: you just needed to abandon the MS DOS boot loader, it's been junk since it was invented... even OS2 had a better boot loader. |
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| 11:57.08 | Opcode | when i had hard disk probs and ran those special 3rd party boot up choice progs |
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| 11:57.22 | Opcode | no prog on earth knew how to handle them |
| 11:57.29 | Opcode | i just lost my stuff |
| 11:57.56 | lubarch | p0g0_: i did sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb, the result is same |
| 11:58.15 | p0g0_ | lubarch: "man dd" to read the manual. How many bytes did you tell dd to write? |
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| 11:58.42 | Opcode | My OS boots to 8.1 windows, i run VMware and it launches whatever OS in whatever partition type. |
| 11:58.47 | Opcode | not only that |
| 11:59.19 | Opcode | i can can copy the whole of them of one of them and move them around and just tell VMware where it is now. |
| 11:59.59 | lubarch | p0g0_: dd also reportes input/output errors |
| 12:00.02 | lubarch | what should i do now |
| 12:00.14 | tremon | lubarch: haven't seen your question, but if you have a disk with hardware errors, the best option is to use ddrescue to salvage what's left. Keeping the disk in use (especially writing) will usually make it worse |
| 12:00.14 | p0g0_ | Opcode: yes, virtualbox will do all that, and also let you migrate in and out of the VM, so you can make a real install from a VM if youlike. |
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| 12:00.50 | lubarch | tremon: thnx, i will try |
| 12:00.54 | p0g0_ | lubarch: it sounds to me like the drive is failing, but I'd fuss with it some more... |
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| 12:01.45 | p0g0_ | lubarch: you'll not likely get much off that drive if you have wiped all the partitions repeatedly and you are having IO hardware errors. that 2nd one will defeat most of the recovery tools. |
| 12:01.50 | Opcode | worth every penny i spent since i buy all my software anyway |
| 12:02.04 | Opcode | the most interesting prog ive run in years |
| 12:02.31 | lubarch | p0g0_: i don't want any data from it i just want to use it as a storage |
| 12:02.48 | Opcode | Simulates every OS under the sun including Apple with some mods |
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| 12:03.30 | tremon | lubarch: you want to use a failing disk for storage? why don't you just delete whatever you were planning to write to it? |
| 12:03.37 | p0g0_ | lubarch: I'd start swapping things around, see if that drive ever wakes up happy on any machine. |
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| 12:04.18 | p0g0_ | tremon: the drive is empty now, nothing to recover, he's trying to sort out if there really is hardware trouble, which it looks to me like there is. |
| 12:04.39 | JyZyXEL | lubarch: 'badblocks -b 4096 -c 65536 -p 1 -s -w' it and then 'smartctl --test=long' it |
| 12:04.43 | p0g0_ | but yeah, never use a failing drive for much of anything... |
| 12:04.51 | p0g0_ | ^^ |
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| 12:05.24 | p0g0_ | lubarch: try what JyZyXEL just suggested. That may map out and disable the bad blocks. |
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| 12:06.49 | tremon | that also presumes the bad block count will remain the same. Usually, once a disk starts generating bad blocks, they will multiply |
| 12:06.54 | Cerealkill3r | hey guys,how can i get debian 8 to ignore the laptop lid being closed,and not go into sleep mode |
| 12:07.01 | JyZyXEL | shitty power, bad cabling and crappy controller/driver are also something to consider |
| 12:07.28 | p0g0_ | heads off to a glimmering dawn...gl all. |
| 12:07.49 | tremon | that's true, but they don't cause bad blocks. They cause controller failure. smartctl will be able to tell the difference |
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| 12:16.25 | Cerealkill3r | how can i get debian 8 to ignore the laptop lid being closed,and not go into sleep mode |
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| 12:22.34 | tremon | Cerealkill3r: man logind.conf, HandleLidSwitch |
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| 12:25.16 | cluelessperson | Anyone know of an easy to setup vpn solution in debian? |
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| 12:26.11 | bloggs | Is there a simple way to test basic sound setup in jessie? |
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| 12:31.06 | tremon | there's aplay as a low-level alsa player, and arecord for recording. but if you're running a desktop, your sound setup includes pulseaudio, which isn't that basic. Try paplay or pavucontrol to test pulse |
| 12:31.11 | abrotman | bloggs: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav ? |
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| 12:32.36 | bloggs | aplay: command not found |
| 12:33.24 | abrotman | it's in the alsa-utils package |
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| 12:34.16 | bloggs | aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 12:34.56 | bloggs | Although that file does exist ... |
| 12:36.21 | Hello71 | your *device* doesn't exist |
| 12:36.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell bloggs about alsa checklist |
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| 12:38.10 | darsie | "torify irssi -c 37lnq2veifl4kar7.onion" gives me "WARNING torsocks[23586]: [syscall] Unsupported syscall number 202. Denying the call (in tsocks_syscall() at syscall.c:165)" What can I do? simple sid backport of tor? |
| 12:38.24 | bloggs | abrotman: 1) done 2) done 3) ?? 4) Yes 5) no 6) Done |
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| 12:39.17 | abrotman | bloggs: what is your DE? |
| 12:39.24 | abrotman | bloggs: is the alsa-utils package installed? |
| 12:39.26 | bloggs | DE ?? |
| 12:39.29 | abrotman | Desktop |
| 12:39.46 | bloggs | I don't understand. |
| 12:39.52 | bloggs | It's formica I think. |
| 12:40.06 | abrotman | your window manage |
| 12:40.08 | abrotman | manager |
| 12:40.12 | abrotman | kde? gnome? somethingelse? |
| 12:40.21 | bloggs | I don't run a window manager |
| 12:40.29 | bloggs | Or at least hardly ever. |
| 12:40.38 | bloggs | When I do, I normally use ratpoison |
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| 12:41.14 | bloggs | and yes, alsa-utils is installed |
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| 12:42.20 | abrotman | it sounds like some driver isn'tloaded |
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| 12:42.41 | bloggs | Any idea which one, or how I can find out? |
| 12:43.14 | erxr3 | hello everyone, I'd like to try tesdisk or gparted to recover a file system that currently became shown as "unknown". can you maybe help me along? |
| 12:43.44 | ruied_ | what is the best way to automount usb vfat or ntfs with user write permissions to it? |
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| 12:45.45 | abrotman | bloggs: lspci | grep -i Audio |
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| 12:46.50 | Halma | hello all |
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| 12:47.10 | Halma | i want to compile a programm but without man and doc with , how i do this ? |
| 12:47.28 | Halma | *without man and without doc * |
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| 12:48.40 | bloggs | abrotman: There are two intel audio devices |
| 12:49.16 | unborn | bloggs your de means what are you seeing.. gnome or kde or openbox or terminal |
| 12:49.17 | bloggs | Broadwell-U and "Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller" |
| 12:49.32 | bloggs | unborn: terminal |
| 12:49.35 | unborn | bloggs, basically what icons you are seeing |
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| 12:49.50 | bloggs | I don't do icons |
| 12:49.54 | unborn | bloggs, aha so its a server or something right? |
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| 12:50.24 | bloggs | *shug* its a computer |
| 12:50.34 | cluelessperson | So, the deeper I get into using debian, I find that I'm in a LOT of pain for configuration. I feel that I'm wasting a LOT of time having to lookup documentations repeatedly for what should be rather painless. Does anyone else feel this way? |
| 12:50.36 | Tsutsukakushi | bloggs: but you don't have any windowing? |
| 12:50.40 | bloggs | no |
| 12:50.48 | bloggs | at least not normally |
| 12:51.02 | bloggs | Please don't say that windows are necessary for sound !!!!!!! |
| 12:51.11 | Tsutsukakushi | bloggs: they aren't |
| 12:52.10 | tremon | cluelessperson: yes, however opinions differ on both "painless" and what should be painless. If you find that you're repeatedly looking up the same things: script it |
| 12:52.15 | abrotman | bloggs: you probalby have to configure alsa to use the correct output device |
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| 12:52.41 | bloggs | ok. Presumable dpkg-reconfigure alsa-utils can do that. |
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| 12:52.59 | bloggs | the obvious question is which is the "correct" device? |
| 12:53.03 | tremon | !alsa checklist |
| 12:53.04 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 12:53.10 | cluelessperson | tremon, even scripting becomes a PITA. You have to look at documentations to figure out what to script. |
| 12:53.16 | tremon | (in case someone hasn't mentioned it yet) |
| 12:53.28 | unborn | bloggs, okay I see it.. since you have no idea what you are seeing it.. (you dont see icons at all and since you saying you seeing this 'at least normally') you dont know what you are doing.. even if we hint you here you wont be able to tell what you doing.. windows manager is not windows computer its the way how you manage your gui. this all tells me that you are not familiar with terminal which means you must have gui or |
| 12:53.28 | unborn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.36 | bloggs | tremon: You're the 3rd person who has spammed me with that. Bots should be banned from this channel. |
| 12:53.44 | cluelessperson | tremon, For me, I liked the installation of ZNC. VERY simple and easy. "Here's the values people usually use, but you can change it if you want to do X" etc. |
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| 12:54.00 | unborn | bloggs, which brings me back to your question - what do you need to accomplished |
| 12:54.07 | unborn | ? |
| 12:54.57 | cluelessperson | tremon, I like to work on my server at home sometimes. I thought I'd install a VPN, L2TP so I can use a PHP/web based password manager behind it... I haven't gotten past installing the VPN server.. |
| 12:54.58 | bloggs | At this stage, I want to confirm that basic sound capability is working. Eg playing a wav file through the speakers for example. |
| 12:55.17 | cluelessperson | Literally, these "tools" are just getting in my way, and it literally hurts. |
| 12:55.25 | unborn | bloggs, otherwise if you did not understand the question - you should be banned as troll. I am reading your answers towards other users here.. |
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| 12:55.44 | bloggs | ignores unborn |
| 12:55.47 | Tsutsukakushi | unborn: he is not using any windowing, and no he doesn't need it if he doesn't want it |
| 12:55.51 | tremon | cluelessperson: it's a cop-out, but it's partially the price of versatility. Debian tries to be all things to all people, and doesn't have a central focus. The package configurations reflect that |
| 12:56.07 | abrotman | bloggs: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 12:56.36 | bloggs | abrotman: 0 HDMI; 1 PCH |
| 12:56.49 | bloggs | is the exact text relevant? |
| 12:57.05 | abrotman | I assume your HDMI is your monitor, and you don't actually have any sound hooked toit? |
| 12:57.10 | unborn | Tsutsukakushi, so he should clear his questions to be directive as they should be - the person does not understand the system at all and he is running it head less - what is the point of that lost soul? wasting our time? |
| 12:57.31 | abrotman | unborn: if you don't like talking to bloggs, just don't help. No point in whining |
| 12:57.38 | Tsutsukakushi | ^ |
| 12:57.41 | Tsutsukakushi | i agree with abrotman |
| 12:57.43 | tremon | unborn: six of the seven systems I run at home are headless. Am I a lost soul too? |
| 12:57.47 | abrotman | unborn: feel free to use /ignore |
| 12:57.55 | cluelessperson | tremon, I want to leave IT because of it. it's just frustrating for me. I have ideas, i want to do things, but the methods/resources I have available to me are so lacking, I can't get things done, not nearly quickly enough at least. |
| 12:57.56 | abrotman | tremon: you are, but for other reasons :) |
| 12:57.56 | unborn | if he is running headless without gui he should understand linux its self and then ask questions |
| 12:57.59 | cluelessperson | I can't deal with the stress. |
| 12:58.31 | unborn | tremon, nope, coz you know what headless is :) he does not.. |
| 12:58.35 | Tsutsukakushi | cluelessperson: maybe you should do something about the situation, like start writing better documentation or tools |
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| 12:58.52 | unborn | tremon, why this pointless question? |
| 12:58.54 | abrotman | bloggs: so, it seems like your system is setup to default tothe HDMI output. You can change that with proper configs |
| 12:58.57 | abrotman | unborn: please stop, move on |
| 12:59.00 | bloggs | abrotman: I don't know what the monitor is. Its just the laptop's "normal" monitor. |
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| 12:59.17 | abrotman | bloggs: okay, so your laptop has an HDMI output. But clearly you have nothing hooked to that |
| 12:59.19 | unborn | abrotman, sure. |
| 12:59.22 | tremon | cluelessperson: well, the other option is to spend money on it. I'm sure you can find linux consulting firms, or even other platforms |
| 12:59.28 | bloggs | I really find it hard to believe the the monitor is relevant to sound. |
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| 12:59.50 | bloggs | No. I have nothing plugged in except power and ethernet |
| 13:00.02 | abrotman | bloggs: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Set_the_default_sound_card See if this is some help |
| 13:00.03 | Tsutsukakushi | bloggs: some systems default for hdmi output for audio, hdmi isn't purely for visuals |
| 13:00.46 | tremon | bloggs: what's the output of aplay -L ? |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | bloggs: I have to leave fairly soon, but there's also #alsa if you get stuck on changing this setting. |
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| 13:01.15 | bloggs | tremon: It is rather long. |
| 13:01.20 | tremon | use paste.debian.net |
| 13:01.29 | abrotman | or #flood (but tell folks before pasting there) |
| 13:01.30 | unborn | :D |
| 13:01.44 | tremon | or rather, install pastebinit or some other cmdline paste tool |
| 13:02.04 | abrotman | using #flood and /exec is a lost art :) |
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| 13:02.24 | unborn | tremon, I think I like you lol you have great suggestions for newbies :D |
| 13:02.46 | abrotman | unborn: Please drop it .. |
| 13:02.52 | abrotman | I won't ask again |
| 13:02.57 | peace2you | any alternative for making bootable usbs besides dd and unetbootin ? |
| 13:03.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell peace2you about win32diskimager |
| 13:03.22 | abrotman | peace2you: or depends on the ISO, for Debian, cp works |
| 13:03.23 | bloggs | OK I'll paste it to #floog |
| 13:03.31 | bloggs | s/floog/flood |
| 13:03.34 | tremon | peace2you: depends on what it needs to boot. syslinux can be installed on usb |
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| 13:04.16 | peace2you | i want to boot debian, and i need to make that usb from debian also |
| 13:04.22 | abrotman | peace2you: use cp or dd |
| 13:04.43 | peace2you | with dd i get error when booting usb, that isolinux is missing |
| 13:04.58 | peace2you | or something like that.. |
| 13:05.30 | unborn | abrotman, I accepted you question before.. what is your issue? what do you mean you wont ask again.. I am general user like you and this channel was created for general users like us.. if you an op kick me out and I will come back - if not I will get a way to investigate this against your 'I will not ask again' - yap you reading it correctly.. I did not done anything wrong here so - I will not ask again. Logs will be publi |
| 13:05.30 | unborn | shed if this helps you out. |
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| 13:06.14 | abrotman | unborn: Stop picking on bloggs, find something else to do. |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | peace2you: use which image, and which command? |
| 13:06.36 | unborn | I tried to help the user, you come alone and insulted me alone - its fine. I am here to help debs and I dont care about you.. you are on my ignore list .. cau |
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| 13:06.46 | abrotman | unborn: please take a time out. Thank you |
| 13:06.50 | markybob | can't say he wasn't warned |
| 13:07.16 | peace2you | sudo dd if=debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M; sync |
| 13:07.32 | abrotman | would probably try as root, not with sudo |
| 13:07.37 | abrotman | though, it shouldn't matter |
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| 13:07.54 | tremon | peace2you: of=/dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1 |
| 13:08.01 | abrotman | oh, and that :( |
| 13:08.22 | tremon | you should overwrite the entire disk with the iso, not just the partition |
| 13:08.22 | peace2you | ok thanks |
| 13:08.39 | peace2you | make sense. going to try again |
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| 13:10.05 | tremon | bloggs: ok, your default sound device is the PCH device, not hdmi. try to run alsamixer, see if it is muted or very low output |
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| 13:10.21 | abrotman | tremon: it was giving him "no such device" |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | 07:34 < bloggs > aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 13:13.24 | bloggs | abrotman: I'll try #alsa but I kindof don't know if I need alsa or pulsaudio - I thought they were mutually exclusive. |
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| 13:13.49 | tremon | try running aplay -D plughw:CARD=PCH,DEV=0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav to verify that the device works |
| 13:14.03 | bloggs | All channels unmuted. and at 100% |
| 13:14.08 | bloggs | (now) |
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| 13:14.32 | tremon | alsa make sure you laptop doesn't have a hardware mute switch (unlikely, but hey...) |
| 13:14.38 | tremon | also... |
| 13:14.44 | bloggs | tremon: I get Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied |
| 13:14.58 | tremon | when running aplay -D ? |
| 13:15.04 | bloggs | For some reason that directory is owned by root. Is that wrong? |
| 13:15.24 | tremon | not sure, it's a systemd/logind thing |
| 13:15.52 | tremon | I tend to stay away from that whenever I can |
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| 13:17.10 | tremon | but if you're not running a desktop, I don't see why you should be running pulse at all, or why aplay should be complaining about pulse |
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| 13:18.38 | abrotman | maybe the easy solution is to remove the PA bits? |
| 13:20.01 | bloggs | Now I have some sound! |
| 13:20.51 | bloggs | tremon: I don't understand this pulseaudio/alsa stuff either. |
| 13:21.00 | teraflops | bloggs: /run/user/1000/pulse owned by root is not what you want |
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| 13:21.26 | tremon | at least there's progress :). You will probably want to make a ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asoundrc to make sure the correct device is persisted as default |
| 13:21.30 | teraflops | also pulse7alsa are not mutually exclusive pulse works at top of alsa |
| 13:21.34 | bloggs | teraflops: So it would seem. I changed it to bloggs and now it works. |
| 13:21.36 | teraflops | pulse/alsa |
| 13:21.48 | tremon | not sure of the exact syntax for that, the internet will know |
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| 13:23.03 | bloggs | tremon: The trouble is I never know which internet resources to trust. Many are out of date, gross over-simplifications or just plain wrong. |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | bloggs: your user is in the audio group? and that file was owned root:audio ? |
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| 13:24.14 | bloggs | abrotman: Yes, and to which file are you refering? |
| 13:24.26 | abrotman | the one you just changed ownership of |
| 13:24.45 | bloggs | no. It was owned by root.root |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | Eh, interesting |
| 13:25.18 | tremon | bloggs: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Asoundrc#Default_PCM_device |
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| 13:25.31 | Lionyx | what package of emacs do I have to install so the X version does not deppends on Gnome? |
| 13:25.31 | kolibri_user | hello to all |
| 13:25.47 | teraflops | bloggs: that ownership issue occurs when you do sudo whatever things I believe |
| 13:25.59 | kolibri_user | re install locales |
| 13:26.25 | bloggs | teraflops: Could be. I did try aplay as root once. Maybe that was a mistake. |
| 13:26.37 | teraflops | bloggs: yeah hehe |
| 13:26.54 | bloggs | Anyway at least I now know that sound *can* work on this machine. |
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| 13:27.09 | bloggs | I gotta go. Thanks to everyone who helped. |
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| 14:19.20 | martinm | Q about systemd in Jessie. Is it intended that a package install traditional init.d file and /etc/default but have the settings in the latter just get ignored? Just bumped into this with apt-cacher-ng |
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| 14:20.54 | martinm | (no hint of this in apt-cacher-ng's docs, but since the most recent date I saw in those was from long before systemd...) |
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| 14:29.59 | tremon | martinm: it is fully expected, but not widely acknowledged as a problem. FAFAIK there is no systemd equivalent for the /etc/default configuration, other than editing the service file itself. That said, I thought the issue only occurred when a package ships both a service file and an init.d script |
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| 14:30.23 | martinm | yes, which apt-cacher-ng does |
| 14:30.24 | tremon | the init.d script should still source /etc/default/... |
| 14:30.47 | martinm | and it does, and I can add an echo and sometimes display the DISABLED=1 setting |
| 14:31.10 | tremon | sometimes? |
| 14:32.10 | martinm | if I execute the script without a start/stop command, the echo displays. if I include eg. stop, then it must fork off to systemd-ctl before it gets that far |
| 14:32.37 | tremon | ah |
| 14:32.45 | martinm | which was actually the only clue I've found about what's going on. thanks for confirming this, at least now i know |
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| 14:33.46 | martinm | I guess my follow-on Q is "so are those service files (units, yes?) treated as conffiles?" |
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| 14:34.36 | tremon | yes, they are. I'm not an authority on this, but I believe the point is that the package should only ship a service file in /lib/systemd/... |
| 14:34.44 | martinm | oh... probably not, they're away in lib/systemd/... |
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| 14:34.55 | tremon | if you create an identically named file in /etc/systemd, the package will not overwrite it |
| 14:35.10 | tremon | ah yes, the file as shipped by the package is not a conffile |
| 14:35.36 | martinm | okay. not really an issue for this, I;m just setting up a new testbed and wanted to shut off a few things that needed to be configured |
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| 14:36.59 | martinm | oh, so I put overrides into /etc. great! I was sad thinking that they would be hiding in /lib where etckeeper doesn't "see" them |
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| 14:37.41 | martinm | wonders if he missed a systemd-doc package or something |
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| 14:39.51 | danap | hello world |
| 14:39.58 | tremon | actually, according to https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/pkg-systemd/Packaging?action=show&redirect=systemd%2FPackaging , it should be possible to still use /etc/default with a service file |
| 14:40.57 | tremon | but the next paragraph does mention /etc/systemd as the preferred solution |
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| 14:42.06 | tremon | oh wait, even better. You can write a /etc/systemd/${package}.d/local.conf to supplement the package-provided /lib file |
| 14:42.19 | danap | I've got this situation: I have to issue: rfkill unblock wifi at startup to make my wifi work, this happened after an apt-get upgrade. I've tried to fix this by adding that line on /etc/rc.local and I've also tried to put that script in /etc/init.d/ but I need to give that command at startup anyway... Any suggestions? I'm running out of ideas |
| 14:44.26 | tremon | danap: systemd doesn't run rc.local by default. See http://superuser.com/questions/278396/systemd-does-not-run-etc-rc-local for a possible solution |
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| 14:44.43 | danap | tremon: thx I'll try it |
| 14:46.39 | danap | tremon: that link is for archlinux though |
| 14:46.42 | danap | :) |
| 14:47.14 | tremon | systemd is still systemd. All distributions are having the same issues :) |
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| 14:48.02 | danap | yep that's true |
| 14:48.33 | danap | my rc.local is alreayd executable, let's try another solution |
| 14:49.44 | danap | I haven't /etc/systemd/system/rc-local.service, it seems kind of arch stuff ;) |
| 14:50.37 | tremon | arch didn't ship rc-local.service either, which is why its contents are included in the SU answer |
| 14:52.24 | danap | uhm ok :) |
| 14:53.01 | tremon | you'll want the second snippet though, with the [install] section |
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| 14:54.48 | danap | tremon: thx trying now.. |
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| 15:05.48 | JunoReactor | hello guys, how to upgrade the php inside debian 7 wheezy distro? |
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| 15:11.37 | nkuttler | ,v php5 |
| 15:11.38 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze27; wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: |
| 15:11.39 | judd | 5.6.14+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.14+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:12.20 | Brigo | JunoReactor, can't you upgrade to jessie? |
| 15:12.23 | nkuttler | JunoReactor: looks like there is no backport, so.. upgrade to jessie? |
| 15:13.05 | JunoReactor | oh if i do this will my current website will be damaged? |
| 15:13.15 | JunoReactor | or i have to install fresh one and reinstall the webserver again? |
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| 15:13.33 | Brigo | JunoReactor, we can't say without known your system. |
| 15:13.50 | JunoReactor | anyways is ok |
| 15:13.54 | Brigo | updated from wheezy to jessie should be straighfordward. |
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| 15:14.05 | nkuttler | JunoReactor: i'd think the risk of breaking stuff through upgrading php is bigger than upgrading debian.. |
| 15:14.17 | Brigo | straightforward* |
| 15:14.17 | JunoReactor | yes i mean that nkuttler |
| 15:14.27 | JunoReactor | anyway it doesnt matter, even if it breaks i will fix it |
| 15:14.31 | nkuttler | JunoReactor: so if you already want a newer php, just upgrade |
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| 15:14.55 | Brigo | wheezy->jessie |
| 15:15.05 | Brigo | !wheezy->jessie |
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| 15:16.39 | martinm | tremon: got sidetracked... the solution there works for simple options that can be added to the daemon's command line. but knowing where to look and place overrides is pretty helpful, too! hmmm, doesn't run rc.local by default, that's another one that I know I need to make a note of for later... |
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| 15:17.11 | Brigo | !ssb |
| 15:17.11 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 15:17.29 | Brigo | !wheezy->jessie |
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| 15:17.46 | tremon | Brigo: a long-known dpkg bug, so I've been told |
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| 15:18.07 | tremon | it works in PM, not in-channel |
| 15:18.12 | Brigo | tremon, ok, it is weird :) |
| 15:18.20 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.42 | Brigo | JunoReactor, that was for you :) |
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| 15:18.53 | JunoReactor | yes heh i am readying thanks Brigo |
| 15:19.04 | Brigo | JunoReactor, yw :) |
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| 15:22.56 | youxin | hello |
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| 15:29.34 | nicoo | Hi. I'm trying to pin all packages from a specific repo with a lower priority, using Pin: origin "hostname", and it isn't working: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/668f2319c5e4ca0a869a (in the example, freecad and cura are pulled in from download.alephobjects.com when they shouldn't be) |
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| 15:30.45 | bloggs | Which package is supposed to provide/create /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p ? |
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| 15:33.54 | teraflops | bloggs: what's the real problem? |
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| 15:34.18 | somiaj | nicoo: well it looks like you have the repow download.alephobjects.com pinned at 990, so you ahve a setting somewhere that does this. The main thing I see that is you real problem is you are mixing stretch, sid and jessie repos. This will only lead to problems and we don't suppor tmixing versions of debian |
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| 15:35.31 | nicoo | somiaj: Could APT::Default-Release "jessie"; be causing this? |
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| 15:36.12 | somiaj | nicoo: maybe, again you are mixing jessie, stretch and sid repos. With gcc5 in the mix you could easily hose your whole system and I'm not going to support that mess you are creating for yourself. |
| 15:36.31 | bloggs | teraflops: alsa is trying to open that device, which doesn't exist |
| 15:36.53 | teraflops | bloggs: you are in pulse or alsa? |
| 15:37.28 | nicoo | somiaj: That's fine, I'm not asking you to support my setup. I'm asking a specific question, and getting attacked for having pins you do not like ... |
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| 15:37.50 | bloggs | teraflops: alsa |
| 15:38.09 | teraflops | bloggs: no pulse then, right? |
| 15:38.10 | somiaj | nicoo: and I'm giving good advise. with gcc5 in sid and stretch, you pull in any libarcy compiled with gcc5 and you will break your system. As to pining, default releases using pinning so I think you identified what the issue could be. |
| 15:38.20 | bloggs | teraflops: No I removed it. |
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| 15:39.23 | teraflops | bloggs: is there anything else in /dev/snd/ ? |
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| 15:40.09 | bloggs | Yes: by-path controlC0 controlC1 hwC0D0 hwC1D0 pcmC0D3p pcmC0D7p pcmC0D8p pcmC1D0c pcmC1D0p seq timer |
| 15:41.51 | teraflops | bloggs: then maybe you just need to tell alsa in ~/.asoundrc the proper defaults.pcm.device whatever |
| 15:42.12 | somiaj | teraflops: bloggs: cat /proc/asound/cards (this will show you what cards have been loaded by alsa) |
| 15:42.13 | teraflops | as in defaults.pcm.device 2 (pick the proper one) |
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| 15:42.41 | somiaj | or aplay -l is a good way to list cards |
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| 15:43.00 | teraflops | yean bloggs thet set it up as i said above |
| 15:43.06 | somiaj | teraflops: probabaly should set defaults.ctrl.card too. (: |
| 15:43.22 | teraflops | heh |
| 15:43.30 | bloggs | but how do I know which is the "proper" one? |
| 15:43.52 | somiaj | bloggs: cat /proc/asound/cards (see what soundcards you have loaded by alsa) or run 'aplay -l' |
| 15:43.53 | teraflops | not that I understand why people avoid pulseaudio .... |
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| 15:44.35 | bloggs | somiaj: ok. Both thos commands give rather verbose output. What now? |
| 15:44.40 | teraflops | bloggs: aplay -L as somiaj says |
| 15:44.41 | somiaj | teraflops: it is an extra layer that shouldn't be needed and any such features should have been added to alsa in the first place. |
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| 15:45.29 | somiaj | but that is the nature of open source, forks, additional layers and side projects seem to be common. I'm actually surprised pulse has stuck around so long, most other sound servers went away awhile ago. |
| 15:45.42 | teraflops | somiaj: well I do not care about what alsa should have done or not, I think is not related at all |
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| 15:46.34 | teraflops | my point is that pulse is better at the user end side |
| 15:47.04 | wacek | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.12 | wacek | Radeon kernel modesetting for r600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:47.37 | wacek | how to fix it |
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| 15:47.45 | somiaj | wacek: probabaly required it before. Install the non-free firmware |
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| 15:48.50 | nicoo | somiaj: Yes, I agree that pinning should be used with care, and I appreciate being reminded so even though I was aware of it. Saying âyou real problem is you are mixing stretch, sid and jessie reposâ when it has nothing to do with the problem at hand is, however, plain disingenuous. |
| 15:49.39 | bloggs | teraflops: Indeed somiaj did mention aplay -l/-L - how does that help? |
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| 15:50.04 | somiaj | bloggs: it lists all the cards (and then subdevices fo the cards) alsa has detected or loaded. |
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| 15:50.17 | somiaj | bloggs: you can also do cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 15:50.36 | bloggs | I have indeed done both those things. What do I do next? |
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| 15:51.02 | somiaj | bloggs: did you figure out which card you want to actually use (if you have more than one)? |
| 15:51.17 | somiaj | bloggs: then use the options teraflops suggested in .asoundrc to set your default card. |
| 15:51.25 | somiaj | !tell nicoo about frankendebian |
| 15:51.29 | bloggs | I really don't care. As long as it gives me sound. |
| 15:51.48 | Brigo | nicoo, maybe this link can help: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 15:52.26 | somiaj | bloggs: then pick one |
| 15:53.58 | FI_OpwK | locate soundcard |
| 15:54.06 | FI_OpwK | oops |
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| 15:54.47 | bloggs | somiaj: I don't mean to be rude, but you are not being very explicit. You have said that those commands "list the sound cards" They certainly seem to be listing something. Which parts of the text from which of those cards are the names by which the cards should be referred. And how do I translate that into the entry in .asoundrc ? |
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| 15:55.33 | somiaj | bloggs: you have sound cards, one is sound card 0, the other is sound card 1, these sound cards coorespond to the hardware you have and the order it was detected. Which one is the sound card you are trying to get to work? What is its number? |
| 15:56.10 | nicoo | somiaj: As I told you, I don't expect support about that from the IRC channel. I'm not unhappy about receiving a cautionnary warning. However, plain out lying about the cause of the problem at hand is simply not ok. It seems, however, that you are very good at not listening. |
| 15:56.11 | somiaj | bloggs: the other option is paste the output you see at paste.debian.net and ask someone to help you understand it. I do not know what hardware you have on your system with out some output. |
| 15:57.02 | bloggs | I see lots of numbers for example HDMI 0 DEV=0 DEV 8 |
| 15:57.15 | somiaj | bloggs: paste the output of 'cat /proc/asound/cards' at paste.debian.net |
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| 15:58.03 | Brigo | i think paste.debian.net is down |
| 15:58.27 | somiaj | ahh seems it is, then bloggs will have to use some other pastebin. |
| 15:58.34 | bloggs | I'll paste it do #flood |
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| 15:58.44 | somiaj | bloggs: please use a pastebin, there are plenty fo them. (: |
| 15:58.56 | bloggs | hates pastebins |
| 15:59.00 | erxr3 | hello, would it be enough to run memtest for 16 hours and 5,5 passes? |
| 15:59.38 | somiaj | erxr3: so no errors in 16 hours? That means you most likely don't have problems with your memeory. Can never be 100% certain, but it seems that your memory is fine. What was your original problem? |
| 16:00.46 | bloggs | somiaj: http://paste.lisp.org/+3E1N |
| 16:01.38 | somiaj | bloggs: okay so you have two sound cards, HDMI and your onboard one (PCH). which one do you want to use as default? (note hdmi requires you are pluged into an hdmi tv with speakers) |
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| 16:02.00 | bloggs | ok. So lets start simple and use the onboard one. |
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| 16:02.08 | erxr3 | somiaj, yes, no errors yet. the original problem is that several of my external drives' partitions have been renamed as "unknown file system" while I could successfully create them in the former session, and save data on them. |
| 16:03.04 | bloggs | That means number 1 I suppose |
| 16:04.09 | erxr3 | there have been occasional strange behaviours of my disk utility during the transfer of data and creation of partitions. |
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| 16:05.00 | somiaj | bloggs: put two lines in your $HOME/.asoundrc file, 'defaults.ctrl.card 1' and 'defaults.pcm.card 1' |
| 16:05.06 | somiaj | bloggs: since card 1 is the card you want to use. |
| 16:05.41 | somiaj | erxr3: seems the problems are unrelated. external drives are not tested by memtest. Maybe look at smartmon tools, those can test the health of the drives. |
| 16:06.08 | bloggs | somiaj: OK. Great that works. Thanks. |
| 16:06.14 | LordMux | I love apt-listbugs much useful |
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| 16:06.19 | Dr_Coke | check this out http://kevincraig.us/homophobia.htm |
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| 16:07.12 | bloggs | So what do the two lines mean. And how is the output from aplay -L relevant ? |
| 16:07.20 | ihateplasma | Hi, I'm currently on Debian Jessie. I want to point my sources.list to sid, but I also don't want to install Plasma (I'm using KDE4). How do I block plasma? |
| 16:07.51 | somiaj | Dr_Coke: that is off-topic here. Please direct your links elsewhere. |
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| 16:08.30 | fishcooker | where is the log file that show disk space |
| 16:09.17 | somiaj | bloggs: it means you have two sound cards. aplay -L or -l will list more details about the cards (including the devices on the cards) but I only use that if just specificing the card is not enough |
| 16:09.48 | Brigo | fishcooker, there is no such log, use df command instead. |
| 16:09.56 | erxr3 | somiaj, I was testing RAM because of these abnormal behaviours, like the file transfer froze all my computer except the cursor, and also I had been having similar freezes lately in other times..and then the powering-off of drives was happening unusually (shutting down the application's window) and locking-unlocking partitions were taking forever in several occasions..I was suggested to check RAM as it was explained that the |
| 16:09.56 | erxr3 | se things might be caused by defective ram |
| 16:10.05 | bloggs | and when might I want to use the -D option of aplay ? |
| 16:10.27 | somiaj | erxr3: that could be the possibility, looks like it is not. By external do you mean usb? |
| 16:10.31 | metaphysician | bloggs: $ man aplay |
| 16:10.42 | erxr3 | somiaj, yes, usb and external disc |
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| 16:10.54 | bloggs | metaphysician: Yes I have read the manual |
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| 16:11.22 | bloggs | thinks that people who reply RTFM should get automatically kicked. |
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| 16:12.44 | somiaj | erxr3: it could be a probelm with your usbbus or the drives themselves. |
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| 16:13.42 | erxr3 | under the extended partitions of these drives, at least one partition I created and saved data on is shown as "unknown" in my file system, like this: http://is.gd/Gvhwfa |
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| 16:14.41 | somiaj | erxr3: unsure what is going on. Could ti be you can still mount the partition, but the partition flag wasn't set. (i.e. the filesystem might still be there despite you haven't told it what pratition type) |
| 16:15.27 | erxr3 | somiaj, I don't know how to diagnose it. how can I check and fix if that? |
| 16:15.49 | fishcooker | Brigo: i mean when i login then accidentally notice no disk space message .. where can i inspect the time that i get full disk space? |
| 16:16.59 | Brigo | fishcooker, maybe there is some messajes in logs. try journalctl -b |
| 16:17.02 | somiaj | erxr3: have you tried to just mount the partition 'mount -t ext4 /dev/sdc9 /path/to/somewhere' (i.e. manually try to mount the file system of the correct partition on the device somewhere) |
| 16:18.19 | erxr3 | somiaj, yes, it says "mount: /dev/sdc9 already mounted or /mnt/part busy" |
| 16:18.33 | erxr3 | /mnt/part is the mount point I created |
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| 16:18.59 | erxr3 | somiaj I can post here the pastes I already did, if you wish |
| 16:19.06 | somiaj | erxr3: is it really /dev/sdc9? type 'mount' to see where it is mounted |
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| 16:19.15 | somiaj | erxr3: no give the output of 'mount' instead |
| 16:19.31 | erxr3 | somiaj, yes sdc9 is correct |
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| 16:20.10 | m3nda | HI. My nvidia seems installed but i don't see as GLX rendering device. I can run Optirun but seems that doesn't really use nVidia rendering. |
| 16:20.23 | m3nda | Anyone here familiar with nVidia and optimus? |
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| 16:20.27 | Brigo | fishcooker, systemctl -b will show the log from last boot, if the disk got filled before last boot, it will not show the message, warning :) |
| 16:20.34 | somiaj | m3nda: what nvidia card? How did you install nvidia, oh it is optimus. This can be a pain. |
| 16:20.43 | somiaj | m3nda: have you followed any guides on setting up bumblebee? |
| 16:21.03 | m3nda | somiaj, of course. I've spent a lot of time before came here to ask, still triying |
| 16:21.05 | jarvisyouxin | hi everyone, can you please explain what is pipe "|" and where it is used for and how ? |
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| 16:21.19 | m3nda | somiaj, i have it running into Mint, now im triying same on the Debian |
| 16:21.33 | somiaj | m3nda: I don't have any experience with bumblebee. Unsure what to do |
| 16:21.34 | Brigo | jarvisyouxin, ask in #bash channel, this is offtopic here. |
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| 16:21.45 | erxr3 | somiaj, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13066301/ |
| 16:21.54 | somiaj | m3nda: so it works in mint but not debian. In that case see if you can see what sort of configs/software mint is using to get it to work. |
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| 16:22.22 | m3nda | somiaj, i saved them and tried with raw pasting into xorg.conf, but didn't work the trick |
| 16:22.40 | m3nda | somiaj, also, there are few details that make me more confusing than before |
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| 16:22.54 | somiaj | erxr3: hmm strange error, it might just be something wrong with the drive/usb. does dmesg give you any new errors after you tried to manually mount the partition. |
| 16:23.07 | m3nda | somiaj, i was able to enable nvidia as direct rendering, without the bumblebee. im not interested on bumblebee, just on make the nvidia run |
| 16:23.08 | somiaj | m3nda: I don't know anything about optimus hardware. I ahve just avoided it. |
| 16:23.50 | erxr3 | somiaj, can I see that if I type "dmesg | tail" now? |
| 16:23.51 | m3nda | I see that drivers are installed, because the nvidia-settings show me it, as display:8 |
| 16:23.58 | somiaj | m3nda: So I'll just see if someone else can help you. My advise is generic. |
| 16:24.16 | somiaj | m3nda: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say it has laoded as the drivers, there is also 'glxinfo' to look at |
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| 16:24.23 | somiaj | erxr3: most likely |
| 16:24.51 | mtn | m3nda: install inxi and then: Please type "inxi -Gx" (without the " marks) in a terminal and paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link. |
| 16:24.55 | erxr3 | somiaj, this is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13066438/ |
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| 16:25.11 | m3nda | glxinfo shows that im using Mesa driver (Intel) as GLX rendering |
| 16:25.19 | somiaj | erxr3: do you rember what file system you put on that partition? |
| 16:25.38 | erxr3 | somiaj, sure, ext4 |
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| 16:26.18 | somiaj | erxr3: yea seems the partition is bad for some reason. Unsure why. |
| 16:26.24 | m3nda | usin optirun glxinfo shows that i can use Nvidia |
| 16:26.47 | m3nda | but i have tried a game with optirun and the fps was not good, as it does when running as main glx on the Mint |
| 16:26.50 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.24 | paperd | hello, is it acceptable to email a maintainer and ask for a package update? |
| 16:27.44 | erxr3 | somiaj, from what I tried to find out until now, it seems to me that two things could be tried: restore the filesystem and thus access the partition again. or if this doesnt work, try to recover data. |
| 16:28.28 | somiaj | erxr3: basically. And if the drive is really dead it could be neither work. |
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| 16:28.54 | somiaj | paperd: first check the BTS then file a wishlist bug. Though I bet the matainer already knows about the update. What package are you intersted in? |
| 16:29.15 | somiaj | paperd: but it is prefered you use the BTS so there is record of this request (wishlist bug) vs just an email to the matinaer I belive. |
| 16:29.23 | paperd | somiaj: ufraw, it seems to be a number of versions behind |
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| 16:30.13 | somiaj | paperd: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ufraw there is the tracker page, as you see the tracker has already made note that there is a newupstream verision available. |
| 16:30.31 | somiaj | paperd: you can check the bugs, if there isn't a wish list bug for the new upstream version you can file one. That will get sent to the matianer. |
| 16:30.44 | paperd | awesome thanks |
| 16:30.50 | somiaj | paperd: as for your self, maybe /msg dpkg uupdate and make your own package if you need the software sooner than the matainer gets around to it |
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| 16:31.46 | erxr3 | somiaj, so I could only start trying to apply them. I created a dd image of the partition, and read that I could try mounting the .img file, but I dont know much about these commands |
| 16:32.08 | paperd | yeah I need it now, I am going to build it but wanted to see what I could do to get it updated in the distribution. |
| 16:32.28 | somiaj | erxr3: mount -o loop /path/to/file.img /path/to/mount/point |
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| 16:36.20 | erxr3 | somiaj, it returned this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13066852/ |
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| 16:37.28 | somiaj | erxr3: oh it is an image of the whole drive (including partitions) no just the image of the file system? |
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| 16:37.51 | erxr3 | somiaj, it is an image of just the partition sdc9 |
| 16:37.59 | erxr3 | also it is the same size as the partition |
| 16:39.15 | somiaj | well maybe the image is corrupt. For some reason it thinks it is a NTFS file system, again check dmesg |
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| 16:40.30 | erxr3 | somiaj, it is like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13067019/ |
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| 16:42.06 | somiaj | erxr3: I'm not seeing what the issue could be. But the image/partitoni you have seem to have issues. |
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| 16:47.05 | erxr3 | somiaj, I found out that file system could be restored via testdisk, gparted or fsck..testdisk offers the option to detect "unknown media" partitions, and I got a list like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13065008/ but I dont know how to figure the right partition here. |
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| 16:48.50 | erxr3 | and with gparted when I selected "attempt data rescue" it gave this error for sdc: "No file systems found on /dev/sdc - The disk scan by gpart did not find any recognizable file systems on this disk." |
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| 16:49.17 | erxr3 | though there are multiple accessible partitions on the disk |
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| 16:50.26 | erxr3 | oh, and I just now noticed that in gparted, the mount point of /dev/sdc is shown as"home", and that is the only mounted partition!!? |
| 16:50.37 | erxr3 | like this: /home |
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| 16:52.07 | erxr3 | somiaj, I just would like to reboot to check this |
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| 16:52.23 | erxr3 | do you think it might make sense? |
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| 17:02.26 | erxr3 | after reboot the partition is no more shown as mounted. but somehow it was mounted at /home..I wonder how this could be |
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| 17:06.07 | m3nda | erxr3, testdisk shows not only your last partition, but any partition table it can found |
| 17:06.34 | erxr3 | m3nda, are you referring to the table I pasted? |
| 17:06.43 | m3nda | erxr3, every partition you have except one are encrypted |
| 17:06.52 | m3nda | erxr3, yes, i've used testdisk on the past |
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| 17:07.19 | erxr3 | m3nda, I used this "unknown media partition" option instead of "intel partition" at the beginning. |
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| 17:07.42 | m3nda | erxr3, what is you triying to do? recover data or write back a partition? |
| 17:08.00 | m3nda | erxr3, a partition table would be ok unless you overwrite it |
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| 17:08.18 | m3nda | erxr3, so, the last partition is usually 100% recoverable, and the other don't |
| 17:09.22 | erxr3 | m3nda, the problem might or is likely to be with filesystem. I just found out about that testdisk could restore filesystem, too. if I could do that, I would probably access the partition. this is the first thing I wish to try. then I wouldnt need to recover data |
| 17:10.27 | m3nda | partition does contain the filesystem, and not the reverse. You will have a filesystem inside a partition. |
| 17:10.29 | erxr3 | testdisk has this "T" option to change file type. I read about a blog post that was suggesting to assign file type to an unknown partition |
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| 17:11.27 | m3nda | testdisk can write back a full partition, or entire disk. That does depend on how you use it. |
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| 17:11.35 | m3nda | if you have another HDD you can safely try every one |
| 17:12.01 | erxr3 | m3nda, do you know if this file type option could help? |
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| 17:14.50 | m3nda | erxr3, don't know |
| 17:15.03 | erxr3 | for ex. I select non-partitioned media > filesystem utils > and then an unknown partition is shown to me like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13068732/ |
| 17:15.21 | m3nda | erxr3, my personal experience is that recover files as raw is really easy, but recover files with intact info (or whole partitions) is not that easy |
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| 17:15.47 | m3nda | if your system was Linux, don't check nts or uknown |
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| 17:16.39 | erxr3 | then I select "Type" for this partition, and among the listed filesystems I choose "Linux LUKS"..then the former partition becomes displayed as luks-formatted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13068820/ |
| 17:16.54 | m3nda | erxr3, if you mark as uknown, seems it display the raw disk |
| 17:17.16 | m3nda | erxr3, dont you see it's size is the total disk space? |
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| 17:18.09 | m3nda | erxr3, i never tried to write back a encrypted partition, but, in theory, you only should choose one the write disk back |
| 17:18.13 | erxr3 | m3nda, yes, I noticed that, and couldnt see why, because the disk contains multiple partitions, which are known formats except for this single partition |
| 17:18.19 | m3nda | if the result is not what you want, choose another on the list |
| 17:18.37 | m3nda | partition writting is not dangerous if you dont use them unless you have the right one |
| 17:19.06 | erxr3 | m3nda, what is partition writing? |
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| 17:19.08 | m3nda | think on the partition table as a list of contents. think in raw disk if you don't have such list |
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| 17:19.18 | m3nda | partition writting is to tell disk with partiions it does have inside |
| 17:20.06 | m3nda | you can pik one of your list, then write it back. Once you did that, your disk will LITERALLY be as if you formatted it and moved partitions inside |
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| 17:20.17 | m3nda | partition is not a physical thing, it's on that table |
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| 17:22.45 | erxr3 | I used testdisk before, and there I just applied it directly to already deleted-lost partitions / disks. but here it looks bizarre, as the partition is neither deleted, nor really lost. I saw with my eyes that files were transferred there, and I locked the partition after that. the next time I plugged it in, it was"unknown" |
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| 17:23.31 | erxr3 | I read things like filesystem can be restored..so I wanted to focus on this when I also found that testdisk offered this |
| 17:23.48 | m3nda | I am not familiar with LUKS so i don't know if that is part of your problem |
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| 17:24.23 | m3nda | erxr3, did u write back a partition any time? |
| 17:24.36 | m3nda | seems that you did open the program but don't know what to do with it |
| 17:25.03 | m3nda | as i see, you did perform a search, then saw the list |
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| 17:26.04 | erxr3 | m3nda, you might be right. what I did with testdisk earlier was, as I wrote, just simply select the lost drive and get the files recovered in the output folder of testdisk. |
| 17:26.43 | m3nda | now, you have to select one of them, then look for the option write data to disk. at this moment, your partition/s will be back to you, as LUKS or whatever it was |
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| 17:27.02 | m3nda | recover files individually it's a waste of time, cuz it does write back with sector names instead file names |
| 17:27.02 | m3nda | may be usefull, but not practical |
| 17:27.12 | m3nda | did u read any guide on the internet? |
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| 17:27.53 | m3nda | even if it's cli software does hace a decent flow |
| 17:28.25 | erxr3 | m3nda, if we are talking about the same thing, that's why I do not wish to begin with data recovery. the files pile up in huge amounts with mostly their names changed |
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| 17:29.07 | m3nda | what you want is to put back whole partition |
| 17:29.07 | m3nda | with intact content |
| 17:29.10 | todd_dsm | hey all, wondering... is there an "suggested" method of auto-testing packer builds in-house(local network)? |
| 17:29.12 | todd_dsm | They typically take about 5 minutes per-build and I'm hoping that there is something like http://kitchen.ci/ that would help to cut that time down. |
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| 17:29.40 | m3nda | as i say, chose one by one on the list, write back then mount that partition to look if it's what you want. |
| 17:29.48 | erxr3 | m3nda, "your partition/s will be back to you, as LUKS or whatever it was" : do you mean that it will be back as a whole authentic partition, and not like 1000 randomly rescued files in a folder? |
| 17:29.53 | m3nda | im looking for a screenshot of the option i say :) |
| 17:29.59 | m3nda | YES |
| 17:30.13 | skylite | how can I replace grub with grub-efi? apparantly the debian installer does not do this for me |
| 17:30.57 | m3nda | erxr3, look here http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step#Save_the_partition_table_or_search_for_more_partitions.3F |
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| 17:31.08 | m3nda | look at WRITE |
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| 17:31.54 | m3nda | table does offer a list of files you have on disk. If the content has not been overwriten you will have access to all your files, with every property, including name |
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| 17:32.22 | m3nda | if you don't get what you expect, run testdisk again and choose another one |
| 17:32.29 | Alex11223 | Why do I ger error (in dmesg) "ath9k_htc: Firmware - htc_9271.fw download failed" when trying to connect my usb wifi adapter to VM with Ubuntu or Kali? Even though I have this file in /lib/firmware and it should be up to date |
| 17:32.30 | Alex11223 | http://pastebin.com/9LssRsAA |
| 17:32.40 | dob1 | hi, it's possibile via sudoers file to give an user the permission (via sudo) to write a particular file owned by root? |
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| 17:34.49 | erxr3 | m3nda, so select the usual "intel partition", get to the partition list, and choose them one by one and apply "write" ? |
| 17:34.54 | m3nda | dob1... your question does sound... hard to understand |
| 17:34.54 | m3nda | sudo does act as root, and if you did sudo su , whoami returns root. So, can sudo root write root files? seems yes |
| 17:34.55 | m3nda | dob1, the best option is to try it... then ask yourself |
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| 17:36.01 | m3nda | erxr3, why intel partition. Are not LUKS? |
| 17:36.19 | m3nda | erxr3, intel partition is to get back NTFS/FAT partitions |
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| 17:36.46 | dob1 | m3nda, i want an user to be able to write to /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm using echo es. echo "something" > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm using sudo, but not to give him full access as sudoers |
| 17:37.13 | m3nda | on the sudoers file you can explicitly write a command to it |
| 17:37.36 | m3nda | and this user will be able to run just that command as sudo |
| 17:37.41 | m3nda | but not others |
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| 17:38.39 | dob1 | m3nda, it's not so simple, it's not the same command all the it's echo "something" etc, but "something" it's no always the same |
| 17:38.45 | m3nda | also, you can (even if not recommended) change that file permission to allow it to a custom group, err sudoers |
| 17:38.48 | erxr3 | m3nda, oh, if I'm not mistaken that's what I'd always selected earlier. so which one would be correct? [EFI GPT] ? |
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| 17:39.05 | m3nda | dob1, so you wanna it to perform that task, not that command |
| 17:39.23 | m3nda | you can write a sh script that does it as sudo, and allow them to run, not to edit it |
| 17:40.02 | dob1 | m3nda, i think i get it, thanks |
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| 17:40.57 | m3nda | erxr3, whats up? |
| 17:41.21 | m3nda | erxr3, your steps should be. Quick search (if not found, advanced search wich is mega slow) |
| 17:41.46 | m3nda | erxr3, pick a partition then select write. mount disk and check. |
| 17:42.21 | erxr3 | m3nda, I was referring to your reply about intel partition. I'd used this option before..so which one should I choose instead? |
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| 17:43.43 | m3nda | erxr3, oh, now i see that step. Yes, choose INTEL |
| 17:44.18 | erxr3 | m3nda, this is how it looks : http://is.gd/bRdgGc |
| 17:44.20 | m3nda | because MBR format |
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| 17:44.36 | L3gacy | I'm looking for a decent firewall with web interface for Debian. Any suggestions? |
| 17:45.08 | m3nda | erxr3, yes, choose INTEL |
| 17:45.26 | m3nda | L3gacy, i do use ufw because it's so simple to add remove |
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| 17:45.40 | m3nda | ufw allow 8888 does open :) |
| 17:45.46 | L3gacy | hmmm. I will check that out. Thank you so much! |
| 17:45.57 | m3nda | L3gacy, but for servers there are powerfull ones |
| 17:45.58 | L3gacy | I just decommed my pfSense boxxen, and gave them away to a friend in a bind at work :D |
| 17:46.08 | m3nda | csf & ldf combo |
| 17:46.09 | L3gacy | I run a Dell Poweredge 860 Pent D |
| 17:46.21 | L3gacy | Dat pizzabox rack, yo |
| 17:46.25 | m3nda | with csf you can add DDOS protection with easy |
| 17:46.34 | m3nda | L3gacy, ufw seems more home styled |
| 17:46.35 | erxr3 | m3nda, while I will go through the testdisk now as you outlined, I would also like to ask about a possible MBR -GPT mismatch as the cause of this problem. the disk might have been formatted with gpt originally, while I created the partition on another tool that shows MBR.. |
| 17:46.48 | erxr3 | since you mentioned MBR, i remembered this point |
| 17:47.08 | erxr3 | which I read about recently |
| 17:47.41 | m3nda | -GPT i think means general partition table |
| 17:47.58 | m3nda | MBR is the sector to boot. just the very first start of the disk |
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| 17:48.15 | erxr3 | because I might have used gparted to ormat the whole disk |
| 17:48.18 | erxr3 | format* |
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| 17:48.45 | m3nda | erxr3, if you restore the partition wich had the MBR it would be restored again |
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| 17:49.09 | m3nda | erxr3, anyway, don't care about mbr, it can be rebuilt with any Live OS |
| 17:49.17 | erxr3 | m3nda, the disk utility tool shows, even now with its unknown state, that the partition has MBR |
| 17:49.43 | m3nda | write it, check it |
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| 17:50.51 | m3nda | erxr3, another simple guide about that: http://www.bootmed.com/bootmed/tutorials-11/how-to-undelete-a-partition-with-testdisk/ |
| 17:51.03 | m3nda | search, pick one, write changes |
| 17:51.23 | erxr3 | m3nda, so I will proceed with quick search from here: http://is.gd/ELFnSS |
| 17:51.30 | m3nda | put back partition is easy, is not that easy than the data still intact :D |
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| 17:52.34 | erxr3 | m3nda, great, very clearly detailed, thank you! |
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| 17:53.25 | m3nda | did u get back your data? |
| 17:53.27 | erxr3 | m3nda, you mean the data may not be intact even if the partition comes back? |
| 17:53.28 | L3gacy | is there a decent webn interface for UFW? |
| 17:53.31 | m3nda | so fast :/ |
| 17:53.33 | L3gacy | *web interface |
| 17:53.51 | erxr3 | m3nda, no,not yet, just getting started, I was referring to the link |
| 17:53.58 | m3nda | why should it have web interface? |
| 17:54.07 | m3nda | L3gacy, code your own |
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| 17:54.21 | L3gacy | Can't code to save my life |
| 17:54.27 | L3gacy | fires up Muse |
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| 17:55.11 | m3nda | L3gacy, so, you don't ask to GUI, but web interface... |
| 17:55.19 | L3gacy | yus |
| 17:55.29 | erxr3 | m3nda, it will likely return the same or similar table as this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13065008/ you said I would try them one by one..is there otherwise a way to figure the right partition? |
| 17:55.32 | L3gacy | like something along the lines of Webmin? |
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| 17:55.56 | m3nda | L3gacy, i didn't see that. webmin is a server panel interface. how it is comparable with a web interface to a single program |
| 17:56.14 | m3nda | is like as top a web interface for top |
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| 17:56.42 | m3nda | L3gacy, you wanna a module for firewall in webmin? |
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| 17:57.00 | Bombo | hi |
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| 17:57.21 | m3nda | erxr3, usually i know what partition is because i have only 3 or 4 |
| 17:57.31 | m3nda | erxr3, i don't know a real method to know them |
| 17:58.48 | m3nda | erxr3, im not a experienced user of testdisk, nor linux ^^ so i don't have cow powers. |
| 17:59.37 | ewew | actions |
| 17:59.48 | ewew | oops, sorry |
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| 18:01.58 | erxr3 | m3nda, like this one: http://is.gd/lIaVLX ? |
| 18:02.03 | erxr3 | :) |
| 18:02.28 | m3nda | tha's a gnu, not a cow :D |
| 18:02.59 | m3nda | bowls are not properly printed with that text format :D |
| 18:03.32 | erxr3 | but it is the one that correlates to Super Cow Powers :) |
| 18:04.08 | erxr3 | by the way, just found out about it after your remark |
| 18:04.21 | m3nda | yes |
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| 18:06.10 | m3nda | i like that http://40.media.tumblr.com/03be760df265d16ee347c03094d2136c/tumblr_mf9p7gKXzj1rpiyaso1_400.png |
| 18:06.21 | m3nda | im not fast as you |
| 18:06.43 | erxr3 | m3nda, while testdisk proceeds, I wish to take the time to get a few things done that have stood still since this problem came...can I find you here again when I'm back in a bit? |
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| 18:07.36 | erxr3 | m3nda..well this seems surely to be the work of a super cow :) |
| 18:07.36 | m3nda | im planning to run out just now, but i will be here later |
| 18:07.45 | m3nda | all does depends on how much time we talk about |
| 18:07.55 | erxr3 | m3nda, like 15-20 min. |
| 18:08.14 | m3nda | try it, if you don't found me just wait or not :D |
| 18:08.59 | m3nda | there are more people here that can help you, even better than me |
| 18:09.11 | erxr3 | m3nda, sure :) thank you for helping me get oriented with testdisk, I really needed it |
| 18:09.22 | m3nda | ;=) good luck |
| 18:09.39 | erxr3 | m3nda, thank you :) see you soon! |
| 18:10.11 | L3gacy | What I'm looking for is an easy to use web interface, like "localhost:8000" etc |
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| 18:10.27 | L3gacy | I would LOVE to be able to code an interface like pfSense |
| 18:10.29 | L3gacy | swoons |
| 18:11.59 | m3nda | L3gacy, you can do it with really few lines. php or python |
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| 18:12.15 | m3nda | declare a get value, then fire that command |
| 18:12.26 | m3nda | L3gacy, if you want, i can tell you how to write it now |
| 18:12.50 | m3nda | raw php with php -S localhost:8888 built-in server |
| 18:12.55 | m3nda | or python using Flask |
| 18:13.04 | L3gacy | I seriously need to learn to code |
| 18:13.16 | L3gacy | I start my Tier 1 $HELLDESK job tomorrow, too :D |
| 18:13.18 | m3nda | L3gacy, sure |
| 18:14.33 | m3nda | i found python more easy to go into it |
| 18:14.44 | m3nda | maybe because i started it with some backend from php |
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| 18:27.44 | spal | What does it mean to say that exim4 is the default MTA on Debian? Can't we install any MTA we like on Debian? Then why is exim4 called the default MTA? |
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| 18:31.24 | erxr3 | m3nda, hello back :9 |
| 18:31.27 | erxr3 | :) |
| 18:31.36 | wsky | tigervnc devs think it's ok to release software THAT REQUIRES HALF OF YOUR SYSTEM TO GET PATCHED in order to work |
| 18:31.51 | Bombo | spal: because it is installed by default? |
| 18:34.11 | erxr3 | testdisk finished quick search. should the write option be used for all partitions here, or the green ones only? http://is.gd/Imm9hb |
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| 18:35.39 | m3nda | erxr3, i came back now |
| 18:35.44 | erxr3 | hello :) |
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| 18:36.41 | erxr3 | I just selected one of the green-colored partitions, and it asked me whether to write it, and when i confirmed, it said i needed to reboot for changes to take effect.. |
| 18:37.10 | m3nda | so, do it |
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| 18:37.37 | erxr3 | which showed me now that I need to run testdisk each time anew to write every partition |
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| 18:38.24 | erxr3 | m3nda, rebooting, back in a minute :) |
| 18:38.29 | m3nda | erxr3, u can use P to list files on that partition table, before you write it |
| 18:38.48 | m3nda | erxr3, as answer of "how to know wich one is the good one" |
| 18:39.15 | erxr3 | m3nda, oh, indeed!..I will do it with the next one |
| 18:39.20 | m3nda | erxr3, would be nice to know how to list them by date ;=) to get last one |
| 18:39.55 | erxr3 | m3nda, yes, it would also help at least to have the sizes in GB :) |
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| 18:40.18 | m3nda | erxr3, use any math tool to know that... |
| 18:40.32 | m3nda | erxr3, i don't know wich kind of configuration does offer textdisk |
| 18:40.38 | m3nda | testdisk |
| 18:40.58 | erxr3 | m3nda, if I can find out how to convert the testdisk sizes into gb :) |
| 18:41.16 | m3nda | number of sectors * size of sector does the math, divided to 1024 offers MB value |
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| 18:42.33 | m3nda | erxr3, also makes a difference if you did created as primary or inside an extended one, wich is merely a container |
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| 18:42.50 | erxr3 | m3nda, oh, thank you! |
| 18:43.00 | m3nda | Since you can write max 4 primary ones, i use that number of top for mines... i only use 3 or 4 partitinos ;) |
| 18:43.19 | m3nda | Using extended and that, does sound to me as more complex to recover them |
| 18:43.26 | erxr3 | m3nda, as a matter of fact, this mess happened with extended partitions only. |
| 18:43.28 | m3nda | I stay simple as possible |
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| 18:44.21 | erxr3 | that said, one drive has only one partition, the extended one, with this problem. the other drive has all 5 extended partitions turned unknown. |
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| 18:44.48 | m3nda | erxr3, then write back that extended |
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| 18:45.25 | m3nda | erxr3, anyway, the flag on them does not alter it's content, so you will be able to recover them as raw. |
| 18:45.37 | m3nda | erxr3, it's more easy to use another disk for recovery |
| 18:45.50 | erxr3 | m3nda, thing is, the final list doesnt specify extended ones |
| 18:46.30 | erxr3 | m3nda, oh, yes, talking about another disk, where will I find the written partition after I reboot now? |
| 18:46.39 | erxr3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.17 | m3nda | erxr3, i cant figure out where should be mounted that partition on your system. i cant check that |
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| 18:47.28 | m3nda | erxr3, but u should know just by "seeing" it |
| 18:47.36 | m3nda | erxr3, its your content :D |
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| 18:47.54 | erxr3 | m3nda, I mean, will I see it in the file system as a real partition, or a file in file manager? |
| 18:48.36 | erxr3 | but the real partition will be revived, I guess, so it will be mounted as a partition? |
| 18:48.38 | m3nda | that does depend if you still have fstab mount point for that partition. In any case, it should be displayed on your file manager to allow you mount it |
| 18:48.47 | m3nda | y can try too the disks tool |
| 18:48.51 | erxr3 | m3nda, ok, I will check all places. |
| 18:49.06 | erxr3 | m3nda, so going to reboot now, in anticipation :) |
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| 18:50.19 | erxr3 | m3nda, I should probably keep the external drive connected throughout the reboot-restart? |
| 18:50.27 | erxr3 | the drive with the partitions |
| 18:50.47 | m3nda | erxr3, if it's usb drive, it should work both ways because it's pluggable in hot |
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| 18:50.53 | m3nda | erxr3, not a internal disk |
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| 18:51.00 | padxni | someone knows where to buy laptops configured for debian and with it preinstalled? |
| 18:51.18 | erxr3 | m3nda, it is an external drive..no, not an internal one |
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| 18:51.23 | m3nda | padxni, yes, china, dell ones |
| 18:51.40 | padxni | i thought dell is a USA-only manufacturer |
| 18:51.41 | m3nda | padxni, but i remember does ship with Ubuntu, not debian |
| 18:52.00 | m3nda | padxni, it may be USA, but those laptops are commertialized in China |
| 18:52.08 | m3nda | padxni, just google for real :) |
| 18:52.10 | Bombo | i'm trying to compile mesa-10.6.8 (from sid) for jessie, because this isn't in backports, it compiled fine, but at the end i get 'dh_install: dri/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/gallium_drv_video.so exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere' |
| 18:52.35 | padxni | well I've googled already, but official dell site doesn't customize laptops of this kind for EU |
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| 18:52.50 | padxni | so i am seeking for some reseller of these laptops |
| 18:53.08 | m3nda | padxni, what's hard about run the Live installed instead but with it? |
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| 18:53.43 | padxni | can be without OS pre-installed, i just need a laptop that works fine with linux |
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| 18:54.03 | m3nda | padxni, almost every laptop should work fine |
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| 18:54.31 | soif | I had good luck with HP laptops when it comes to linux, it even mentions it in the manual |
| 18:54.35 | m3nda | padxni, but shipped with it may sound more compatible, or at least tested 100% |
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| 18:54.59 | padxni | well, these newest mobile intel chipsets are not designed for linux definitely, I have recently returned one of laptops to the shop |
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| 18:55.42 | soif | I think kernel 4.3 has some compatibility with newer intel chipsets |
| 18:56.18 | hexnewbie | Does this refer to the PowerVR ones? |
| 18:56.19 | padxni | I wouldn't like to compile a kernel , that's why i wanted a laptop which is working fine with linux from the box. well, thanks anyway |
| 18:56.32 | m3nda | padxni, what's was your main problem with that laptop? |
| 18:56.36 | hexnewbie | I chose AMD over Intel when I discovered the new Atoms are PowerVR |
| 18:56.36 | padxni | hexnewbie, no, one second i'll get the name |
| 18:56.58 | km0201 | i've always had pretty good luck w/ acer laptops. |
| 18:57.04 | m3nda | padxni, buy that http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd |
| 18:57.22 | m3nda | padxni, is the most approach for what you ask |
| 18:57.44 | m3nda | padxni, but i'ts not debian ;) |
| 18:57.46 | erxrx3 | m3nda, back again |
| 18:57.53 | padxni | m3nda, one of the issues, for example, was that when you switch off the laptop completely, the last desktop screenshot will appear for 1-2 seconds before X starts next time |
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| 18:58.08 | soif | I understand, but on the other hand it means that it'll be probably supported on the next version of debian |
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| 18:58.25 | m3nda | i like the Asus |
| 18:58.32 | padxni | m3nda, and moreover, XPS 13 is a touchscreen :( I don't want touchscreen |
| 18:58.36 | padxni | m3nda, it was asus btw |
| 18:58.44 | m3nda | padxni, don't touch screen then :=) |
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| 18:59.17 | hexnewbie | You can always disable the touchscreen with xinput. But I got so used to my touchscreen, that I feel weird using my laptop without one. I always tap on the screen, and expect something to happen. |
| 18:59.21 | padxni | not touchscreening is not a solution for me , haha |
| 18:59.25 | m3nda | padxni, also is a 13" screen. i mean, you should look for dell laptop to found one with Linux running out of the box |
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| 18:59.37 | soif | laptops with a touch screen usually come with a glossy screen |
| 18:59.44 | padxni | yea |
| 18:59.45 | m3nda | padxni, or look for someone using it with no problem and buy the same model |
| 18:59.45 | padxni | ^ |
| 18:59.48 | padxni | i want a matte onw |
| 19:00.46 | hexnewbie | There's no feeling like using mc with a touchscreen. Feels so lazy. |
| 19:00.49 | m3nda | i can make a recommendation. Do not buy and Nvidia Optimus laptop if you want Debian |
| 19:01.11 | erxrx3 | mcnda, bizarre things happened. now all encrypted partitions have become "free space" with 2,1MB encrypted partitions next to each. a few of them are paired together as one free block. I |
| 19:01.12 | padxni | i have an old asus with optimus btw |
| 19:01.19 | padxni | it runs fine |
| 19:01.24 | soif | The lenovo X1 carbon comes with linux |
| 19:01.24 | erxrx3 | m3nda, bizarre things happened. now all encrypted partitions have become "free space" with 2,1MB encrypted partitions next to each. a few of them are paired together as one free block |
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| 19:01.42 | m3nda | padxni, runs nvidia on debian? with bumblebee? |
| 19:01.48 | padxni | yes |
| 19:01.53 | m3nda | i am here to find anyone who can help with mine |
| 19:02.02 | m3nda | i can't run my GLX at nvidia :/ |
| 19:02.05 | padxni | i just installed from the package |
| 19:02.22 | m3nda | padxni, wich package, point me |
| 19:02.29 | padxni | was some time ago tho |
| 19:02.31 | padxni | w8 |
| 19:02.32 | m3nda | padxni, are u talking on debian? |
| 19:02.44 | m3nda | w8? |
| 19:03.01 | padxni | ? |
| 19:03.08 | m3nda | what does mean w8? |
| 19:03.13 | padxni | wait |
| 19:03.18 | m3nda | not weight? XD |
| 19:03.25 | padxni | nah |
| 19:03.27 | m3nda | :/ |
| 19:03.31 | m3nda | impressed i am |
| 19:03.32 | padxni | it's wait |
| 19:03.48 | m3nda | ok ok... i trust you :S |
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| 19:05.58 | padxni | m3nda, i have just used this manual page: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 19:06.08 | erxrx3 | m3nda, it looks like this now: http://is.gd/J1Nsg2 while it used to be like this: http://is.gd/HiGfXi |
| 19:06.12 | padxni | and it runs perfectly |
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| 19:06.30 | m3nda | do you have to use optirun command? |
| 19:06.37 | padxni | yes |
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| 19:06.59 | m3nda | i can use that, but seems that nvidia still doesnt render it |
| 19:07.01 | padxni | i am playing nexuiz on it |
| 19:07.17 | m3nda | on the Mint, its configured as main GLX and everything runs over nvidia |
| 19:07.25 | m3nda | ok, i will check again that guide |
| 19:07.36 | m3nda | padxni, wich nvidia model do you have? |
| 19:07.54 | padxni | gt540m |
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| 19:08.43 | m3nda | 325 here :/ |
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| 19:09.44 | m3nda | erxrx3, i did not understand what you see actually |
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| 19:09.52 | m3nda | first? |
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| 19:17.38 | erxrx3 | m3nda, the partitions have been transformed. the pictures are their former and current states |
| 19:18.24 | erxrx3 | the LUKS-encrypted partitions have turned into free space and a small MB-sized luks partition |
| 19:18.26 | m3nda | but i show me 2 images. wich one is the current? |
| 19:18.40 | erxrx3 | the first link is the current |
| 19:18.45 | erxrx3 | after testdisk writing |
| 19:18.52 | m3nda | erxrx3, i explictly say that i don't know about LUKS so i don't know what to expect from them |
| 19:18.54 | m3nda | :/ srry |
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| 19:19.40 | m3nda | erxrx3, did u created log. i think u can revert that |
| 19:19.54 | m3nda | erxrx3, or scan partitions again and try again |
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| 19:24.16 | erxrx3 | m3nda, you told me that "your partition/s will be back to you, as LUKS or whatever it was" |
| 19:24.29 | m3nda | true |
| 19:25.59 | m3nda | erxrx3, partition is a container. I don't know what happend to that |
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| 19:26.51 | erxrx3 | m3nda, I asked you " do you mean that it will be back as a whole authentic partition" and you replied in caps "YES" |
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| 19:27.39 | m3nda | YES again, but i did not develop the software you is using, so i can be the reason of your problems |
| 19:27.44 | m3nda | calm bro |
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| 19:30.46 | m3nda | hummm |
| 19:31.01 | m3nda | seems testdisk doesn't support LUKS at all |
| 19:31.11 | m3nda | http://askubuntu.com/questions/580525/lost-luks-partition-failed-partition-restore |
| 19:31.27 | m3nda | and this is the way everyone should google a few minutes before doing things |
| 19:32.32 | m3nda | erxrx3, seems that if you extend the LUKS partitions to get the free space it does the trick |
| 19:32.51 | m3nda | erxrx3, then you can mount later that partitions with cryptosetup |
| 19:33.05 | m3nda | cryptsetup |
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| 19:33.39 | erxrx3 | I dont know what to do to extend the luks partitions |
| 19:34.16 | m3nda | gparted, resize partition |
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| 19:34.30 | erxrx3 | there are 5 luks partitions of 2,1mb |
| 19:34.39 | m3nda | gparted it's graphical, you should be able to found it |
| 19:34.47 | m3nda | erxrx3, how many partitions should it have? |
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| 19:34.49 | erxrx3 | and what will it help? |
| 19:34.54 | m3nda | 3? |
| 19:35.16 | m3nda | at this point i am not sure about what will help |
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| 19:36.32 | erxrx3 | m3nda, this was 3 primary and 5 extended partitions. now it is 3 2,1mb primary partitions and 2 extended 2,1mb partitions. the rest became free space placed between them |
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| 19:37.12 | m3nda | erxrx3, seems i can't help you at all |
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| 19:38.14 | Niteye | hello, VLC player is a mess, video effects dont work, sometimes when seeking the computer entirely freezes for a moment, the video just becomes green or the sound goes away, often when seeking the playback crashes etc... seems to ahve started happening after upgrading from wheezy to jessie, any ideas if that only happens to me ? |
| 19:38.43 | teraflops | Niteye: indeed vlc is a mess, glad you noticed it |
| 19:38.51 | Niteye | i started using smplayer as this one works perfectly but id like vlc back as its what i standardized to |
| 19:39.51 | erxrx3 | m3nda, it seems you clearly misinformed me, despite your insufficient knowledge of the matter. |
| 19:40.24 | m3nda | erxrx3, maybe, sorry. |
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| 19:42.01 | erxrx3 | do you take it so lightly to risk someone else's data? |
| 19:42.05 | m3nda | erxrx3, did u google for your problem before follow my toughts? |
| 19:42.14 | m3nda | erxrx3, real poeple use backups |
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| 19:42.53 | m3nda | erxrx3, Linux comes with 0 warranty, and my time here too, even if maybe i did the mistake when talk to LUKS. |
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| 19:43.13 | m3nda | erxrx3, im sorry on that |
| 19:43.15 | erxrx3 | m3nda, I think you shouldn't be here then. |
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| 19:43.48 | erxrx3 | which is confirmed by how you respond even now. |
| 19:43.57 | Niteye | what are we quarreling about |
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| 19:44.33 | m3nda | erxrx3, how do you feel now? you should learn a bit before play data with no backup. |
| 19:44.49 | m3nda | erxrx3, even if i make a mistake, im human |
| 19:44.55 | hexnewbie | Having backups of your encrypted data is a double-edged sword. You're less likely to lose it, and less likely to keep it safe. |
| 19:45.18 | hexnewbie | Of course, you do encrypt your backups, but that's not a backup against amnesia. |
| 19:45.23 | m3nda | hexnewbie, having a disk with same encryption |
| 19:45.37 | m3nda | hexnewbie, so you can play one disk |
| 19:45.42 | erxrx3 | mcnda, look how you react. one thing, you even dont know if I have a backup or not. second, it doesnt change your faulty responses whether I have it or not |
| 19:46.16 | erxrx3 | real people feel responsible in leading others. |
| 19:46.19 | m3nda | erxrx3, i can guess that you don't have one because your response. |
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| 19:46.37 | m3nda | erxrx3, how should i react? |
| 19:47.18 | Niteye | life is too short to play it safe and cushony.. i store all my important files on a hard drive with SMART warnings and no backups |
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| 19:49.22 | erxrx3 | I asked you all about the results very clearly before proceeding. and you said yes, also clearly. this would be enough to make me uncomfortable. but you comfortably accepted it, and began to say things like "not my software...should have googled..".."real people.." |
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| 19:50.03 | m3nda | erxrx3, real people is not here waiting for your complainings. |
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| 19:50.19 | erxrx3 | m3nda, oh, how horrible |
| 19:50.27 | m3nda | erxrx3, i can't be resposible for nothing, as im not official helper. |
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| 19:50.37 | m3nda | erxrx3, i say you is right, i made the mistake. |
| 19:50.47 | m3nda | erxrx3, but u too, so think on that the next time |
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| 19:51.17 | hexnewbie | erxrx3: Restoring partitions with testdisk isn't sure-fire business, particularly if aren't certain yourself which are your correct partitions. I don't think you can blame anyone from misleading you. Also: Creating a new partition table doesn't necessarily corrupt any data on the disk, so you *may* be able to rerun testdisk again (which you shouldn't do without a complete copy of the drive ready) |
| 19:51.21 | erxrx3 | the way you talk, it's no use to say any word to you |
| 19:51.25 | erxrx3 | your mindset is clear |
| 19:51.30 | erxrx3 | and it is a shame for debian channel |
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| 19:52.08 | erxrx3 | and one mistake I made was to trust your assured replies |
| 19:52.12 | erxrx3 | with your info deficit |
| 19:52.18 | m3nda | erxrx3, for me it's a shame to use a proffesional tool without read about it |
| 19:52.29 | erxrx3 | which i never saw in volunteers in free software channelös |
| 19:52.31 | hexnewbie | erxrx3: Also note the partition starts/ends detected by testdisk, and use them with dmsetup. That way you cannot corrupt anything (partition-wise, you can still blow up your data if you then *write* to the partitions) |
| 19:52.34 | m3nda | erxrx3, it took me 3 minutes to found that |
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| 19:52.51 | infinitebagels | Tor is refusing my connections |
| 19:52.54 | infinitebagels | how do I fix this |
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| 19:53.36 | m3nda | infinitebagels, you mean Tor proxy itself at port 9050 or 9150? |
| 19:54.29 | m3nda | erxrx3, blaming me will not make you smarter, but sounds funny. |
| 19:54.49 | m3nda | erxrx3, i don't know too where are the experts... |
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| 19:55.20 | infinitebagels | m3nda, 9050 |
| 19:55.26 | erxrx3 | to other guys here; read the chat logs, he confirmed clearly that the luks partition will be recovered as a whole, several times upon my asking. and as you see, he doesnt give a shit misleading the people with knowledge deficit |
| 19:55.37 | m3nda | infinitebagels, did u make any config change before last time? |
| 19:55.47 | m3nda | infinitebagels, i mean, was that running before? |
| 19:56.06 | m3nda | erxrx3, i say i did the mistake. that's clear. |
| 19:56.19 | m3nda | erxrx3, assume it, no body will run back time nor kill me... |
| 19:56.19 | Niteye | knowledge deficit, thats a good one, anyways, infitiebagels, check in "netstat -an" if tor service is actually listening on the port, if not, the config is probably wrong |
| 19:56.19 | infinitebagels | m3nda, yep |
| 19:56.21 | infinitebagels | It worked |
| 19:56.37 | erxrx3 | to debian admins; is that really the kind of attitude and help you'd like to offer here ? |
| 19:57.00 | infinitebagels | erxrx3, what? |
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| 19:57.03 | m3nda | erxrx3, the attitude is that i made a mistake and i don't know what do you want now. |
| 19:57.53 | m3nda | infinitebagels, try restarting tor service to check if the problem persist |
| 19:58.10 | infinitebagels | m3nda, did that |
| 19:58.15 | infinitebagels | Even reinstalled Tor |
| 19:58.29 | hexnewbie | erxrx3: I did read them. That's why I said what I said. It's not clear from your testdisk screenshots that anything would work, or what the end result would be. It's not clear if it has located your LUKS partition or not (if it can do that at all). So you'd be shooting in the dark regardless of advise. It sucks, but it doesn't mean anyone is to blame for telling you to do just that. |
| 19:58.30 | m3nda | infinitebagels, try port 9150 |
| 19:58.42 | m3nda | infinitebagels, seems you didn't configure at all the torrc |
| 19:59.11 | infinitebagels | m3nda, no I did |
| 19:59.17 | infinitebagels | m3nda, I enabled Socks Proxy |
| 19:59.19 | m3nda | infinitebagels, /etc/tor/torrc defines wich ports will it use |
| 19:59.30 | infinitebagels | m3nda, 9050 |
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| 19:59.49 | m3nda | infinitebagels, did u install any sort of firewall? |
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| 20:00.19 | infinitebagels | m3nda, disabled ufw |
| 20:00.49 | Niteye | is tor service listening when you do "netstat -an | grep 9050" |
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| 20:00.59 | bdbit | hi everyone. what is a recommended way of setting up gpg-agent so it caches the passphrase for use with enigmail etc.? |
| 20:01.18 | infinitebagels | bdbit, cacheing the passphrase is a bad idea |
| 20:01.24 | Niteye | the good news is that if you fail to recover a drive with testdisk, you can just tell them it was irrecoverable regardless of what you tried |
| 20:01.39 | hexnewbie | Niteye: That too. |
| 20:01.40 | infinitebagels | Niteye, tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:9050 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 20:01.52 | bdbit | infinitebagels: ok, suppose I wanted to do it anyway, how would I do it? |
| 20:02.02 | infinitebagels | bdbit, I couldn't tell you |
| 20:02.07 | infinitebagels | I don't think it's implemented |
| 20:02.22 | bdbit | infinitebagels: it is, but debian doesn't fully set up gpg-agent correctly, it seems |
| 20:02.29 | hexnewbie | erxrx3: Also if your recovery choices went back, you can run testdisk again. Testdisk corrupts data only in the rare case where partition table data is written over a partition, and even that may be pretty minor damage (amplified by LUKS, unfortunately, but hopefully still minor) |
| 20:02.37 | hexnewbie | erxrx3: s/back/bad/ |
| 20:02.51 | m3nda | infinitebagels, can u paste your torrc file or part of it? |
| 20:02.55 | bdbit | according to the Internet(tm): from version 2.1 on gpg-agent will auto-start in a more useable way, but I have 2.0.26 from the repo |
| 20:03.01 | m3nda | infinitebagels, to run tor with it and check out |
| 20:03.32 | Niteye | does "nc -vv localhost 9050" work? im leaning to think the proxy might just not be set correctly in the browser |
| 20:03.52 | m3nda | tor is not an http browser |
| 20:03.59 | m3nda | http proxy |
| 20:04.04 | infinitebagels | m3nda, http://termbin.com/vsaw |
| 20:04.07 | Niteye | it provices a SOCKS5 proxy that you can set in the browser |
| 20:04.22 | infinitebagels | Niteye, its being used for IRC |
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| 20:04.35 | infinitebagels | Niteye, DNS fwd/rev mismatch: localhost.localdomain != Entropy |
| 20:04.43 | infinitebagels | ain != Entropy |
| 20:04.49 | infinitebagels | localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] 9050 (?) open |
| 20:04.51 | m3nda | Niteye, are you sure it's for browser? |
| 20:05.00 | serpo | yup 100% |
| 20:05.01 | serpo | xD |
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| 20:05.17 | Niteye | or any application you can use SOCKS proxy with |
| 20:05.33 | m3nda | Niteye, you can't point a browser to the tor proxy, you have to use intermediate one |
| 20:05.41 | m3nda | Fiddler, polipo or privoxy |
| 20:05.46 | m3nda | Maybe is that the reason |
| 20:05.54 | m3nda | But, it says that it worked before |
| 20:06.00 | bdbit | m3nda: you can, but you have to set it up as a SOCKS5 proxy |
| 20:06.22 | m3nda | bdbit, aha, so the other socks is 4 |
| 20:06.36 | Niteye | you can point it straight at the tor proxy, but its generally a bad idea because it doesnt strip out anything else like GPS coordinates, language, etc etc that can still identify you while browsing |
| 20:07.06 | m3nda | Fiddler does that |
| 20:07.10 | serpo | !ppa |
| 20:07.10 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 20:07.14 | serpo | !dppa |
| 20:07.18 | serpo | !latest |
| 20:07.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by its version number - that's what it's for. Refer to Debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'wheezy' (7), 'jessie' (8), 'stretch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 20:07.28 | serpo | !ppa |
| 20:07.28 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 20:07.30 | serpo | !latest |
| 20:07.32 | serpo | !ppa |
| 20:07.39 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 20:07.41 | serpo | !latest |
| 20:07.44 | dpkg | latest is probably not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by its version number - that's what it's for. Refer to Debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'wheezy' (7), 'jessie' (8), 'stretch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 20:07.45 | infinitebagels | so... |
| 20:07.52 | serpo | so? |
| 20:07.53 | serpo | xd |
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| 20:08.04 | bdbit | serpo: PLEASE use /msg dpkg <command> instead of spamming the channel |
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| 20:08.42 | m3nda | infinitebagels, the only working line you put is = SocksPort 9050 |
| 20:08.43 | infinitebagels | serpo please sotp. |
| 20:08.57 | infinitebagels | m3nda, that's the only line I touched. |
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| 20:09.40 | m3nda | bdbit, where do you configure browser as socks proxy? |
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| 20:10.12 | m3nda | few weeks ago i wrote 6 functions to proxy testing with http proxys and socks |
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| 20:10.29 | m3nda | and i see that socksPort does run a socks4 proxy, wich cannot be used by browsers |
| 20:10.37 | m3nda | sock is raw while http is not |
| 20:10.53 | bdbit | m3nda: in firefox: Preferences -> Advanced -> Network -> Connection/Settings... -> manual proxy configuration -> SOCKS host = localhost, port = 9050, Remote DNS = YES!!!, leave all other fields empty |
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| 20:11.04 | m3nda | if you set it as proxy, you'll se a clear message in the browser telling that tor is not http proxy again |
| 20:11.13 | m3nda | bdbit, let me check it |
| 20:11.25 | infinitebagels | so... |
| 20:11.30 | infinitebagels | m3nda, it can. |
| 20:11.38 | bdbit | m3nda: ah yes, and SOCKS5 = true |
| 20:11.39 | infinitebagels | m3nda, You realize HTTP is Layer 7 |
| 20:11.55 | infinitebagels | Layer seven can transport over layer 2 |
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| 20:15.12 | m3nda | bdbit, it worked using socks5 option |
| 20:15.19 | infinitebagels | .. |
| 20:15.42 | bdbit | m3nda: of course it does :D |
| 20:15.49 | infinitebagels | m3nda, so |
| 20:15.51 | infinitebagels | what do I do to fix it |
| 20:16.07 | bdbit | infinitebagels: sorry, I have missed it initially, what is your problem? |
| 20:16.21 | infinitebagels | bdbit, I can't get Tor to connect |
| 20:16.24 | infinitebagels | well |
| 20:16.28 | infinitebagels | Hexchat wont talk to Tor |
| 20:17.18 | infinitebagels | DNS fwd/rev mismatch: localhost.localdomain != Entropy |
| 20:17.22 | infinitebagels | I get that error to a earlier command |
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| 20:21.26 | infinitebagels | so |
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| 20:23.00 | m3nda | infinitebagels, comment out your line on the torrc and restart tor |
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| 20:23.09 | infinitebagels | m3nda, what line? |
| 20:23.14 | m3nda | infinitebagels, tor will start torsocks 9050 even if you don't define |
| 20:23.23 | m3nda | infinitebagels, the only line you have with no # |
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| 20:24.00 | bdbit | infinitebagels: have you checked whether Tor works with torsocks or a browser? |
| 20:24.02 | m3nda | infinitebagels, you missed TorAddress 127.0.0.1 that. maybe is that |
| 20:24.06 | infinitebagels | m3nda, I'm not using Torsocks |
| 20:24.15 | infinitebagels | I'm direclty using Socks5 with Hexchat |
| 20:24.39 | infinitebagels | m3nda, there is no TorAddress in my file |
| 20:24.53 | m3nda | infinitebagels, and maybe that is the difference |
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| 20:25.05 | infinitebagels | It's worked without it in the past |
| 20:25.09 | infinitebagels | It only recently stopped |
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| 20:25.26 | m3nda | infinitebagels, comment it, and restart tor and try again |
| 20:25.32 | infinitebagels | now it wont launch |
| 20:25.41 | infinitebagels | comment what? |
| 20:26.23 | m3nda | my tought is that service is not properly loading because you defined a line about port, but not with address |
| 20:26.31 | m3nda | if you don't define it, tor does run with default data |
| 20:26.49 | infinitebagels | m3nda, that's the default config |
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| 20:27.37 | m3nda | infinitebagels, add TorAddress 127.0.0.1 to your config |
| 20:27.39 | m3nda | and try |
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| 20:27.43 | m3nda | would be the same than not using it |
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| 20:28.10 | infinitebagels | m3nda, I did |
| 20:28.11 | infinitebagels | it wont load. |
| 20:28.14 | infinitebagels | so I removed it. |
| 20:28.18 | m3nda | :/ |
| 20:28.20 | bdbit | infinitebagels: have you checked whether it works with another program? |
| 20:28.27 | infinitebagels | bdbit, No |
| 20:28.30 | infinitebagels | it's just refusing connections |
| 20:29.04 | bdbit | infinitebagels: oh, you mean, if you run "nc -vv localhost 9050" it doesn't say "open"? |
| 20:29.18 | infinitebagels | bdbit, it does |
| 20:29.21 | infinitebagels | Hexchat doesn't |
| 20:30.02 | infinitebagels | It's refusing from iceweasel |
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| 20:32.36 | infinitebagels | It appears you have configured your web browser to use Tor as an HTTP proxy. This is not correct: Tor is a SOCKS proxy, not an HTTP proxy. Please configure your client accordingly. |
| 20:32.38 | infinitebagels | 10/10 |
| 20:32.41 | infinitebagels | Fucking Hexchat wont connect. |
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| 20:33.02 | bdbit | infinitebagels: you need to clear the HTTP proxy line in the network settings! |
| 20:33.18 | bdbit | infinitebagels: for iceweasel |
| 20:33.19 | infinitebagels | bdbit, its allowing me to connect through hexchat now |
| 20:33.20 | infinitebagels | but! |
| 20:33.23 | infinitebagels | my hidden service died |
| 20:33.33 | SpeedyG | infinitebagels: despite the frustrations, please watch your language :) |
| 20:33.50 | infinitebagels | >.> |
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| 20:34.03 | infinitebagels | ok |
| 20:34.11 | infinitebagels | I have to figure out why the Hidden service died. |
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| 20:35.22 | m3nda | infinitebagels, is you using tor from service command? |
| 20:36.12 | infinitebagels | what |
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| 20:39.05 | bdbit | can someone please help me with setting up gpg-agent? |
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| 20:39.51 | infinitebagels | bdbit, no :p |
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| 20:42.36 | bdbit | to answer my own question: echo use-standard-socket >> ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf helped |
| 20:42.49 | bdbit | *sigh* |
| 20:42.52 | m3nda | infinitebagels, i played my settings and cannot figure out whats wrong in yours. |
| 20:42.59 | m3nda | infinitebagels, im gonna try hexchat proxy |
| 20:43.08 | bdbit | gotta go, bye everybody :) |
| 20:43.24 | infinitebagels | m3nda, I got it working |
| 20:43.29 | infinitebagels | its the other end not working |
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| 20:51.37 | m3nda | :/ |
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| 21:04.12 | Muadabi | c |
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| 21:15.38 | porton | "The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required" - how to get rid of this message for a particular package, without removing it and installing again? |
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| 21:15.58 | porton | ... that is I need to mark a package as NOT autoinstalled |
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| 21:17.42 | somiaj | porton: apt-get install foo (does it indirectly) or use aptitude, I'd have to look up the syntax, man aptitude (I think there is a mark-auto optoin or something) |
| 21:18.02 | somiaj | yea aptitude as a markauto or unmarkauto command |
| 21:18.10 | porton | somiaj: `apt-get install foo` does nothing if the package is already installed |
| 21:18.51 | somiaj | porton: it indirectaly marks it as manual (at least I thought it did) |
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| 21:25.28 | user03 | hi |
| 21:25.47 | user03 | got this vfd customer display that came with a pos bundle |
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| 21:26.22 | user03 | it connects to a com port (com4) on the pos thats rj45 |
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| 21:27.02 | user03 | was able to get it to work on the computer that came bundled with it |
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| 21:27.31 | user03 | but cant on any other computer |
| 21:27.54 | user03 | my aim is to use it a terminal |
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| 21:28.14 | user03 | as a minimal display |
| 21:28.20 | user03 | possible ? |
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| 21:29.22 | qman__ | certainly possible, how much work it's going to take is another matter |
| 21:29.36 | qman__ | if you're lucky it doesn't require any special configuration and you'll just set up a TTY |
| 21:29.43 | user03 | lol |
| 21:29.57 | qman__ | like any other serial console |
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| 21:31.35 | qman__ | at the less lucky side of things it might have a custom command language you'd have to write a driver/interpreter for |
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| 21:32.31 | user03 | qman__ : i doubt that as i recall i didnt need any driver to get it to display text on the pos |
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| 21:32.42 | user03 | just some simple stand alone windows app |
| 21:33.19 | qman__ | that app could have done anything from sending simple letters to the port, to sending binary data in a custom format |
| 21:33.32 | qman__ | you need to figure out what it's doing |
| 21:33.38 | user03 | http://www.posright.com/product/pos_vfd_customer_pole_display.html |
| 21:34.08 | user03 | most seem to be just sending letters over serial |
| 21:34.41 | qman__ | if it is simple letters, just connect to the port with screen and test |
| 21:34.46 | user03 | was a generic piece of software as i recall |
| 21:35.45 | qman__ | as root, screen /dev/ttyS0 9600, assuming it's connected to ttyS0 |
| 21:35.57 | qman__ | might be 1 or 2 or 3, ... |
| 21:36.13 | user03 | qman__ : the cable that connects to the pos is rj45 |
| 21:36.47 | user03 | its labeled as com4 |
| 21:37.11 | user03 | there's no other power source or any another cable |
| 21:37.39 | user03 | just this rj45 connecting to com4 on the pos |
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| 21:38.03 | user03 | qman__ : cant see the device as i have no way to connect it here |
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| 21:38.06 | qman__ | then you'll have to dissect it to figure out which lines are power and which ones are the serial connection |
| 21:38.12 | user03 | qman__ : should i be looking for some kind of convertor ? |
| 21:38.30 | user03 | qman__ : i did |
| 21:38.31 | user03 | ... |
| 21:38.40 | Guest66015 | best to install ssh to get server? |
| 21:38.57 | Guest66015 | # apt-get install ssh |
| 21:39.16 | user03 | qman__ : opened it up and nothing made sense so i put it back together :D |
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| 21:39.54 | user03 | its got a syncmos sm5964 microcontroller inside |
| 21:40.02 | qman__ | user03: if it's the only cable, two wires are power and ground, and the other 6 are probably the serial communications |
| 21:40.26 | qman__ | you'll have to figure it out, someone might have done it already and documented it, but that's just chance |
| 21:40.54 | user03 | has no brand on it |
| 21:41.06 | user03 | have been search for a while |
| 21:41.09 | qman__ | almost all of that stuff is custom and proprietary |
| 21:41.19 | user03 | hope i find a solution it |
| 21:41.22 | qman__ | lots of money in that |
| 21:41.40 | user03 | hope not |
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| 21:41.49 | user03 | hope its just simple data over serial |
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| 21:42.32 | qman__ | you already ran into a custom, proprietary hardware format; it looks like it's just a normal serial device beyond that, but that's what I'm saying, you basically have to reverse engineer the whole thing |
| 21:42.56 | qman__ | and every manufacturer does it their own way |
| 21:43.07 | user03 | indeed |
| 21:43.20 | user03 | this proprietary hardware format is the problem |
| 21:43.24 | qman__ | open standards aren't really a thing in the point of sale market |
| 21:43.31 | user03 | clearly |
| 21:43.37 | user03 | let me take a pic of it |
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| 21:43.51 | c0fe | what about point of sale? |
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| 21:44.01 | user03 | goes to open it up again |
| 21:44.24 | Guest66015 | Is there a gui for ssh server? |
| 21:45.26 | c0fe | Guest66015: you will have to run export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 21:46.50 | c0fe | user03: what you got? |
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| 21:47.45 | user03 | c0fe : taking photos of this vfd customer display , will send them in a bit |
| 21:48.13 | c0fe | anyone can recommend an application that can run incremental backups of a mailbox using imap protocol? |
| 21:48.30 | c0fe | user03: ok i might be able to help i work for a company in developing and installing point of sale systems |
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| 21:49.25 | gryf | heya, I'm on xfce |
| 21:49.27 | gryf | I'm looking for a way to change the default hotkey to "delete" (trash) a file on the desktop ? "Del" is too easy to reach on accident, I wish to change it. |
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| 21:49.50 | gryf | I didn't found out in multiple settings thing |
| 21:49.57 | gryf | could it be hardcoded ? |
| 21:50.01 | ewew | gryf It only goes to trash. |
| 21:50.25 | gryf | Yeah, this is dangerous, people empty their trash without watching theses days ^^' |
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| 21:51.04 | c0fe | gryf: do you really have users that accidentally press "delete"? |
| 21:51.14 | gryf | yes :/ |
| 21:51.27 | gryf | old ones, hardcoded habits in their flesh |
| 21:51.58 | c0fe | gryf: it should be in Settings>Keyboard>Applications |
| 21:52.10 | c0fe | gryf: strange none of my customers, no matter how novice haven't had issues |
| 21:52.13 | gryf | Have you something there ? |
| 21:52.28 | c0fe | gryf: the bindings should be there |
| 21:52.31 | gryf | I don't gind anything related to "del" in Keyboard>app |
| 21:52.46 | gryf | *f |
| 21:53.07 | c0fe | gryf: try installing xbindkeys and use that |
| 21:53.22 | gryf | xbinkeys, hue ? let see. |
| 21:53.26 | c0fe | it is idiotically made to be command line (last time i checked) |
| 21:54.27 | gryf | This is not cool from xfce to not have exhaustive keyboard bind list thought |
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| 21:55.02 | c0fe | gryf: it is stupid to me |
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| 21:55.35 | gryf | c0fe: this is harsh. Some would yell you to implment this yourself :o |
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| 21:56.06 | c0fe | gryf: that's the problem with the FOSS community |
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| 21:56.17 | L3gacy | http://www.twitch.tv/mylittlepwn1e OMG this is insane... he stopped CS:GO and is now crank calling Walmart |
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| 21:57.13 | c0fe | what is CS:GO L3gacy? |
| 21:57.15 | gryf | c0fe: th FOSS community fails at accepting insults on their work made open, how that ? :p (I'm being sarcastic, don't answer :p) |
| 21:58.08 | user03 | http://imgur.com/a/Gkzt1 |
| 21:58.35 | user03 | qman__ : those are the pics |
| 21:58.44 | c0fe | user03: any chance you know the manufacturer of that display? |
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| 21:59.10 | user03 | no idea |
| 21:59.30 | user03 | came part of a pos bundle |
| 22:00.14 | c0fe | user03: i see, what is the name of the software or can you take a picture of the software? |
| 22:00.21 | c0fe | user03: also what is the issue you are trying to resolve? |
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| 22:01.23 | user03 | proprietary hardware format c0fe |
| 22:01.43 | user03 | cant get it to work on any other computer |
| 22:01.52 | user03 | just the pos that came with it as its rj45 |
| 22:01.53 | c0fe | user03: send me pictures of the other peripherals |
| 22:02.10 | c0fe | from that i can figure out what you can do what system this is etc |
| 22:02.55 | user03 | just took the display with me home today not the full pos |
| 22:03.05 | c0fe | got it |
| 22:04.00 | c0fe | user03: hold on one minute |
| 22:04.07 | user03 | k c0fe |
| 22:04.18 | user03 | qman__ did you see the pics ? |
| 22:04.53 | c0fe | user03: http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/m/mlrpbACMMW8Fze5icxIRygg/s-l225.jpg |
| 22:04.59 | c0fe | does that system look anything like that? |
| 22:05.08 | c0fe | user03: http://mposgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/CD356_01a_RET_RP80xrt_DynaKey_RP_twosided_multifunction_printer-7168_RP_high_perf_bioptic_scanner-78782.jpg |
| 22:05.10 | c0fe | another image |
| 22:05.25 | user03 | it does |
| 22:05.35 | user03 | but its surely not the same brand |
| 22:05.50 | c0fe | user03: but it looks like that touch screen that has the keyboard on the side? |
| 22:06.04 | user03 | no keyboard on its side |
| 22:06.41 | c0fe | user03: is this in a supermarket that uses its scanner as a scale too? |
| 22:06.57 | user03 | yes |
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| 22:07.16 | c0fe | user03: ok one second |
| 22:07.47 | c0fe | user03: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ey0YHiwKL._SX300_.jpg |
| 22:07.55 | c0fe | user03: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDYyNQ==/z/NyMAAOSwofxUbLzA/$_35.JPG |
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| 22:08.03 | c0fe | do any of those look like the scanner/scale? |
| 22:08.22 | user03 | no , i misunderstood you |
| 22:08.27 | user03 | that looks nothing like it |
| 22:08.41 | user1 | hi. Something weird just happened : I opened the window menu of a program in order to send it to another desktop. But when I clicked to the desired desktop in the menu the window had already disappeared (it was a kind of dialog window of a program). That somehow seemed to have trigger a bug and close/crash my openbox graphical session. BUT the session seem to be still running (ps still list the prog I used). However |
| 22:08.41 | user1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.01 | user03 | http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/-Handy-Age-VFD-Customer-Display_238264814.html?spm=a2700.7724858.35.1.epxhW9 |
| 22:09.24 | user03 | its just a touch screen with a customer display infront thats all |
| 22:09.29 | user03 | nothing special |
| 22:09.33 | c0fe | user03: ok i see |
| 22:10.00 | c0fe | user03: have you seen "NCR" anywhere on the touch screen or anything like that? |
| 22:10.08 | user03 | no |
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| 22:10.25 | L3gacy | c0fe it's Counter Strike |
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| 22:11.05 | c0fe | user03: hold on let me show you some printers |
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| 22:11.29 | c0fe | user03: http://www.ncr.com/wp-content/uploads/CD394_10_RET_RP-7167-Printer_black-500x500.jpg |
| 22:11.36 | c0fe | user03: http://www.onlypos.com.au/image/cache/data/Receipt%20Printers/ncr7197b_w-800x800.gif |
| 22:11.44 | c0fe | do these look anything like the receipt printer? |
| 22:11.55 | user03 | the second one does |
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| 22:12.48 | c0fe | user03: ok then you have an NCR system which is bad |
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| 22:13.11 | user03 | why is it bad c0fe? |
| 22:13.14 | user03 | in what sense ? |
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| 22:13.29 | c0fe | user03: they are notorious in terms of locked down hardware |
| 22:13.47 | user03 | ncr isnt the brand |
| 22:14.00 | user03 | the printing just looks like it |
| 22:14.02 | user03 | :S |
| 22:14.20 | c0fe | user03: it doesn't have to have "NCR" but if it looks like it then it is |
| 22:14.39 | user03 | k |
| 22:15.00 | user03 | you think we can change the cable from rj45 to serial ? |
| 22:15.05 | c0fe | so you are trying to replace the PC only here right user03? |
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| 22:16.08 | c0fe | user03: yes/no, theoretically you can but unless the VFD display has something strange about it then it wouldn't work entirely properly |
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| 22:16.51 | user03 | http://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics/reference/specifications/port-ex-series-rj45-db9-adapter-pinout.html |
| 22:17.28 | user03 | improvising atm |
| 22:17.33 | c0fe | user03: you can do that but as i said it can screw up. i have tried serial conversions before |
| 22:17.47 | c0fe | user03: i can provide them with a cheap point of sale system |
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| 22:22.57 | c0fe | user03: anyways you can do that with the switching but it isn't gauranteed |
| 22:23.05 | c0fe | user03: is there anything else? |
| 22:23.22 | user03 | not really |
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| 22:28.47 | flaf | Hi, do you know with Debian Jessie how to define a admin account in Grub2 to _just_ forbidden change of menu entries during the boot? If I define a admin account in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and run update-grub after that I do a normal boot with the password of the admin account. I just would like avoid a user changes a menu entry. |
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| 22:30.51 | flaf | Sorry, it's not clear: after the creation of the admin account in grub, boot is just impossible without the password of the admin account. This is not my goal. My goal is just avoid modification of menu entries in Grub. |
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| 22:33.01 | ewew | flaf http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Security.html#Security |
| 22:33.41 | flaf | ewew: thx... I'm reading... |
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| 22:39.40 | flaf | ewew: ok, if I understand well, I need to but the --unrestricted options in the default boot entry. But how can I found it in /etc/grub.d/*. There are scripts, sometime a little bit complicated. |
| 22:40.47 | ewew | flaf I dont remeber where i was modiffing scripts. I took my a while to find the right place. |
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| 22:41.53 | flaf | Ok. Thx for your help. I regret the the old and good menu.cfg... |
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| 22:42.45 | ewew | flaf The older version was behaving differently. |
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| 22:44.26 | TSPenguin | can I expose only one network interface to a single program? |
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| 22:56.11 | Zabent | Hi! I've got a question about sid and my wifi... I've installed iwlwifi, rebooted but still don't have any option in the network manager to use my wifi. Does anyone have any ideas why this may be? |
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| 22:57.03 | TSPenguin | got it, thanks |
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| 22:59.03 | somiaj | Zabent: check dmesg and make sure the firmware correctly loaded. Make sure you wifi card is not mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces beucase network-manager will ignore it if it is. |
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| 23:00.26 | Zabent | somiaj dmesg shows iwlwifi failed to load with error -2. |
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| 23:00.43 | somiaj | Zabent: look just above that line to see what the actual error is |
| 23:00.59 | ewew | disconnects |
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| 23:02.33 | Zabent | somiaj, just that it failed to load: http://pastebin.com/bBpC35jN |
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| 23:03.14 | somiaj | Zabent: ls /lib/firmware/ (do you see the iwlwifi firmware sitting there? |
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| 23:03.24 | somiaj | Zabent: what kernel are you using? What version of debian are you using? |
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| 23:05.13 | Zabent | I see many .ucode files sitting there for iwlwifi. I'm on sid64 |
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| 23:05.19 | Zabent | somiaj^ |
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| 23:09.13 | Zabent | somiaj, There are many .ucode files for iwlwifi, but no file for iwlwifi itself. I'm running sid on the 64bit kernal |
| 23:09.17 | somiaj | Zabent: I would make sure the right ones are there. I don't see what the issue could be. |
| 23:10.18 | Zabent | Yeah, it's confusing. Literally a fresh install of debian. |
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| 23:11.06 | somiaj | Zabent: you have installed the newer kernel from sid and aren't using the older jessie kernel, or have the firmware isntalled from sid not jessie? |
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| 23:12.22 | Zabent | somiaj: I rolled the most recent release. Haven't updated my kernal manually, though. I'll give that a shot now. |
| 23:12.37 | Zabent | kernel* |
| 23:13.43 | Zabent | somiaj 4.2.0-1's what I've got installed. |
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| 23:14.43 | somiaj | if it isn't seeing the firmware it is eitehr a bug or you have a mismatch between the firmware and kernel you are using. |
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| 23:15.45 | somiaj | or you have a card that isnt' compadable with the firmware. |
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| 23:16.36 | Zabent | somiaj, Oh, wait. Maybe this has something to do with it: iwlwifi fails to load for 7620-10 -> 7620-15. There are many iwlwifi .ucode files in /lib/firmware/, but 7620-10 -> 7620-15 are not there. |
| 23:17.15 | somiaj | Zabent: apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi what version do you actually have installed |
| 23:17.44 | Zabent | somiaj, 0.43 |
| 23:17.52 | somiaj | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:17.53 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 0.44~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20151018-2; stretch/non-free: 20151018-2 |
| 23:17.59 | Zabent | somiaj, wait. |
| 23:18.03 | Zabent | Jessie. |
| 23:18.08 | Zabent | JESSIE HAUNTS ME. |
| 23:18.09 | somiaj | so you have the version from jessie installed, that is the problem, as I said the firmware doesn't match the kernel |
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| 23:18.22 | Zabent | Well, there we have it. |
| 23:18.34 | Zabent | Thanks, somiaj. I've been pulling my hair out over that. |
| 23:19.27 | padxni | ,v help |
| 23:19.28 | judd | No package named 'help' was found in amd64. |
| 23:19.41 | padxni | ,help |
| 23:19.42 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 23:21.53 | Zabent | Sorry, got a wee bit too excited and knocked my ethernet cable out. |
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| 23:22.09 | Zabent | Yeah, so that explains why I was pulling my hair out. Just updating my sources list now |
| 23:24.14 | Zabent | okay, so I changed my sources, sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get update |
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| 23:25.50 | Zabent | Guess I'll try a restart... Brb |
| 23:26.02 | somiaj | shuld just have to reload the iwlwifi module |
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| 23:28.45 | Zabent_ | Huzzah! I have wifi back. I know I would've just had to reload the module, but other things were upgraded too. |
| 23:29.37 | svetlana | welcome back; get a proper irc client there too |
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| 23:30.43 | Zabent_ | I got this warning on apt-get update, but I can't see any duplicate entries. I know you've already helped me out a bit, but any ideas on this one? http://pastebin.com/WEv8bTEF |
| 23:31.07 | Zabent | svetlana, will do! Small steps... |
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| 23:37.22 | Zabent | Well, thanks again! |
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| 23:43.12 | svetlana | :) |
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| 23:58.17 | RepThis1 | On fedora you can systectm disable sshd , what is debian 7.9 equivalent? all i see is stop? |
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| 23:58.40 | svetlana | systectm is the same on all distros i thought |
| 23:59.20 | RepThis1 | 7.9 doesnt use systemctl |
