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00:08.03StereoHi everyone
00:08.29StereoI have a strange message appearing constantly in my logs:
00:08.39StereoNov  2 00:02:01 xenophile CRON[25264]: pam_env(cron:session): Unable to open env file: /etc/environment: No such file or directory
00:08.44StereoIt's strange because
00:08.49Stereo-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug  7 11:34 /etc/environement
00:09.15StereoI have no idea where to even start investigate. Googling for that error message only found unrelated things.
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00:12.00RepThis1its update-rc.d , before it didnt run at first though.
00:15.00RepThis1so much easier then messing with symlinks at different run levels jesus.
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00:23.47BrigoStereo, maybe permissions or acces list problem?
00:24.09abrotmanor chroot?
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00:49.29mi11k1Hey, can somebody help me , I am trying to use the cut command , but am having trouble trying to figure out how to put multiple lines from an output
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00:58.59flafmi11k1: cut is line by line afaik
00:59.35mi11k1flaf: how do i do a paragraph? i read someone said awk
00:59.45mi11k1i dont understand though
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01:00.05abrotmanawk and sed, depending what you want
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01:00.50mi11k1I'm trying to make something in conky to show my RAID arrays info
01:00.51flafmi11k1: I'm not an expert about that by sed, cut, grep are “line by line”.
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01:01.56mi11k1array-info -d /dev/md0 -A | grep "Creation" | cut --bytes=14-21......is what i tried
01:02.14mi11k1the --bytes thing was just a guess
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01:03.44mi11k1this is the output of the command , http://pastebin.com/GVN0nkHm
01:04.47flafwhich string in this output you want extract?
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01:04.59mi11k1i just want the whole thing
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01:05.28flafsorry I don't understand.
01:06.00mi11k1i want the cut the whole paragraph
01:06.31mi11k1like the 20 lines or whatever it is
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01:07.22mi11k1or I guess I should look up how to write the output to a file?
01:07.41mi11k1I don't know I'm a noob
01:07.53abrotmansed or awk
01:08.00flafsorry I definitely don't understand what you want.
01:08.06mi11k1k ill check, thanks
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01:08.30mi11k1flaf: in conky i want to display the whole output of the command
01:08.49mi11k1flaf: not just a line or a piece of it
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01:10.29mi11k1flaf: so it ends up something like this ... ${exec "array-info -d /dev/md0 -A" | grep "Creation" | cut --bytes=????}
01:10.47flafSorry I don't know conky. If you want to display the whole output why do you use grep, cut etc.?
01:10.47mi11k1but i gotta check sed and awk
01:11.31flafgrep, cut will reduce the output. If you want the whole output, don't use it.
01:11.57mi11k1flaf: dammit, it might just be that easy, lol
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01:12.37mi11k1that is a good point dude
01:14.03mi11k1well, actually there is some text that I don't want at the top, but it should be okay
01:15.27flafThe problem is you are not clear at all concerning what you want exactly. Sorry, I give up. ++
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01:18.35teraflopsuse awk not cut
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01:47.34RepThis1hirro
01:47.46RepThis1:(
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01:49.40RepThis1is there a way to see where a web app was installed in the directory structure? cause you would think it would be put in apaches web root of /var/www but it seems to have installed it elsewhere in the /var/lib
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01:50.21RepThis1im reading the packages documentation but was kinda just curious if there was some sort of streamlined way of doing that with say like dpkg
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01:50.52flafRepThis1: dpkg -L pkg
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01:52.55abrotmanor apt-file if it's not installed
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01:53.36RepThis1flaf: is this somehow different from locate cause i feel like im getting similiar output, and that is massive amounts of output that dont tell me a whole lot cause i cant say i know much about linux directory structure, no am i an avid debian user.
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01:55.02RepThis1If this helps any, basically im trying to move the webapp into /var/www/ cause i thought that was kinda the standard then chown it to debians www-data
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01:55.56RepThis1and assuming that the files i need to move are infact in /var/lib i would just cut and paste and hope thats all there is to it?
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01:58.45abrotmanRepThis1: why move it?
01:59.27RepThis1abrotman: keep all the files easily managed in 1 location, plus atleast on opensuse you usually installed the stuff into /www
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02:00.51abrotmanRepThis1: eh, kind of silly IMO .. but you can move, but you'll probably have to mess with config files in the apache config dir
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02:33.31Chocolate_ChipWhat permisions is my /opt folder supposed to have?
02:34.12dvsdrwxr-xr-x   2 root root  4096 Aug 25  2012 opt
02:34.41km0201drwxr-xr-x   5 root root  4096 Oct 31 12:24 opt
02:34.46Chocolate_ChipSo I should do chmod drwxr-xr-x  /opt?
02:34.50Chocolate_ChipWhat number is that
02:35.26km0201have no idea
02:36.06km0201google says its 755
02:36.10Chocolate_Chipok
02:36.18Chocolate_ChipIt's juyst I need to be root to write to it
02:36.21Chocolate_ChipIs that normal?
02:36.30km0201well yeah
02:36.39km0201users (typically) can't write to root.
02:36.47dvsYou wouldn't want normal users to write to it.
02:36.48km0201*root owned folders
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02:37.17Chocolate_ChipBut /opt is for building from source
02:37.27Chocolate_ChipAnd I have a program, in a .run file
02:37.52Chocolate_ChipAnd I jhad to run the .run as root, and when I did, it forced me to use root to play the game it installed
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02:38.06Chocolate_ChipSo it made me wonder if I was supposed to have it a difernet permissions
02:38.40jordanmChocolate_Chip: what error did you get when you ran it as a user?
02:39.02Chocolate_ChipThe thing has it's own i nstaller from the .run, so it returned a non-standard error
02:39.15Chocolate_ChipThe installer just said "/opt is not writeable by the current user"
02:41.01jordanmthat's correct, it should only be writable by root
02:41.13jordanmbut that shouldn't prevent you from playing the game as non-root
02:41.21Chocolate_ChipBut when I ran the instaler as root, it only let me play the game as root
02:41.36jordanmChocolate_Chip: what error did you get when you run the game as a user?
02:41.36Chocolate_ChipI'll link the game site. Hold on
02:42.11Chocolate_Chipjordanm, I type in planeshift into the terminal, it said permission denied
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02:42.23Chocolate_ChipThen I ran sudo planeshift, it worked
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02:42.40jordanmChocolate_Chip: paste the full error message
02:42.50Chocolate_ChipI'd need to reinstall it
02:42.58Chocolate_Chiphttp://www.planeshift.it/
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02:43.58Chocolate_ChipIt's reinstalling as root...
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02:44.34Chocolate_Chipalmost done...
02:45.44Chocolate_Chipchoco@CHOCO-PC:~/Downloads$ planeshift
02:45.44Chocolate_Chipbash: /usr/bin/planeshift: Permission denied
02:45.50Chocolate_Chipsimple error
02:46.27Chocolate_Chipshould I chown it?
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02:48.03abrotmanit being?
02:48.04Chocolate_Chipjordanm, still there>?
02:48.34jordanmChocolate_Chip: that says /usr/bin/planeshift. you said it installed to /opt?
02:49.44Chocolate_ChipIt was an installer. It put all the config files to /opt and added a binary to /usr/bin
02:51.23Chocolate_ChipI'm so confuded
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02:53.32Chocolate_ChipOh. I was able to open it from the opt folder
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02:53.45Chocolate_Chipbut the chown on the /usr/bin link is obviosuly off
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03:03.46Atm0spher1cmpv seems to have a memory leak while playing webm files. Anyone else have this issue. Web search doesn't show any info regarding mpv and webm memory leak
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03:23.51socommAtm0spher1c: Might be good idea to report it to the mpv developers, no?
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03:27.41Atm0spher1csocomm: not sure how to go about that exactly. I don't know whether this is a debian stable issue, or mpv, or my own machine. It's been over a month and I haven't heard anything about it. I haven't had the chance to compile source and test yet, but will shortly.
03:28.26Atm0spher1cI believe it's either myself, or debian stable mpv 0.6.2
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03:32.19Atm0spher1cor maybe libav?
03:32.24Atm0spher1cI have no clue
03:35.18blubeeMigrating from mac to debian, it seems gnome terminal is a bit strange. How come it seems like color highlighting is done awkwardly?
03:36.01blubeeis there some resources to setup gnome terminal? What terminals would you recommend for someone comfortable with mac's iterm
03:36.36wskywhat was the dpkg command to find which package installed a file?
03:36.43blubeealthough I would prefer to learn to use gnome terminal if it supports the basic features such as consistent colorized text, i do mostly c programmmming
03:37.05abrotmanwsky: dpkg -S or apt-file
03:37.21abrotmanblubee: not sure what you mean by awkward
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03:38.41FI_OpwKanyone come across Wifatch yet?
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03:39.44blubeeabrotman: take a look at these: http://imgur.com/a/3CoOb
03:40.21blubeethis is one of the default color palettes 'solarized' in gnome terminal
03:40.31blubeebut they all look pretty strange
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03:44.20abrotmanblubee: oh, I use silver on black
03:44.25abrotmancustom palette
03:44.32abrotmanblubee: just change it to whatever you'd like
03:45.19abrotman"white on black" ... Admittedly, that was also the palette I used when I used to use OSX
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03:48.27blubeeI would probably prefer the white on black
03:48.39blubeelinux makes you do it all, i though it was me
03:48.40blubeethanks
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03:49.04abrotmanWell, it tries to choose a resaonable default .. not suitable for all
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04:29.32DeaDSouLhi, my M.2 ssd (samsung XP941) was working and booting just fine with (efi) ... then i replaced the m.2 ssd with another one I have, which has another distro... and when i was done, I put the M.2 ssd (xp941) back in the motherboard.. but now I can't boot it at all.. does anyone know why ?
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04:46.24DeepfriediceI have a quick question. ~/bin/whatever exists, and I have a normal looking .profile . But for some reason $HOME/bin isn't making it into my $PATH. How can I find out what's going on?
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04:55.02svetlanaDeepfriedice, echo $PATH
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04:55.48svetlanaDeepfriedice, (this environment variable ought to have ~/bin in it for this to work. it doesn't by default. see whether it does for you, and if it doesn't, then you might need to add a new line to your .profile by hand.)
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04:56.42svetlanaDeepfriedice, that line could be like this: `export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH` without the backticks i believe.
04:57.10DeepfriediceMy .profile already has 'if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" fi'
04:57.30DeepfriediceIt just seems to be getting ignored.
04:57.31svetlanait's apparently not working. add the word 'export' into it.
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04:58.09Deepfriedice'export PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"' ?
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04:58.54DeepfriediceThat did it. Thanks!
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05:15.01svetlanayou're welcome :-)
05:15.09svetlanaoh, he left; ignore that
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05:41.41wskyis there a rss for what gets transfered from sid to testing?
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05:49.04svetlanawsky, could ask #debian-release at oftc
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06:23.42DrakkenWarrhola gents.. is there a good channel to discuss proc/mobo choices for linux upgrades?
06:24.10AvocetVISperhaps #debian-offtopic   ?
06:24.18DrakkenWarrright on, thanks AvocetVIS
06:24.27AvocetVISmy pleasure
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07:09.09schu-r@lubarch is the File on an external disk? od on a Partition with ntfs or fat?
07:10.37bhuddahlubarch: does the user own the file?
07:11.05KulrakAm I the only one having trouble with file/menu/toolbar icons in dolphin, gwenview and systemsettings5 in stretch?
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07:13.15KulrakI'm not even sure where to put the bug report since it's happening to multiple apps, and not other apps that should be using the same icons
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07:17.16lubarchbhuddah: yes i own the file
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08:56.14welpoHey can I get some help with fstab + sshfs? I have this line but I'm not sure it's the proper format:  sshfs#user@host:/path/to/dir /local/dir fuse     defaults,allow_other,_netdev    0 0
08:56.20welpois this the proper format?
08:56.21adm001mihey all got a question... I've a vbox vmdk  which has debian pre-installed but doesn't have a domain name. I've tried setting it with domainname but when I reboot the system it goes back to (none). how can I get to to stay permanent.
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09:06.28RepThis1adm001mi: isnt that a simple fix of editing the /etc/hostname?
09:07.40adm001miRepThis1: cat /etc/hostname only shows my hostname...
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09:09.06adm001miRepThis1: I didn't know it was a quick fix, do you happen to know how I can fix permantly?
09:09.19adm001mi*permanently
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09:27.54fsociety[00]dathi #debian :)
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09:35.52petn-randall!sid
09:35.52dpkgit has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.  The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
09:36.14petn-randallfsociety[00]dat: dpkg did.
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09:40.02fsociety[00]datpetn-randall: :)
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09:41.22bumbar_if i do: tr -d "\n" < file.txt, how do i redirect output to another file?
09:41.47fsociety[00]datisn't there purple-facebook ?
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09:42.01jellybumbar_: append this to the command line:    > another-file.txt
09:42.16petn-randallfsociety[00]dat: This is Debian support channel. Do you have a support question?
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09:42.56bumbar_jelly, thanks. didn't think you could do it like that :p
09:43.16afidegnumhello, I am developing a GUI application and I am having permission denied on /dev/input/event7
09:43.27afidegnumhow can I make it accessible to other apps?
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09:43.39jellypetn-randall: "is there a libpurple connector for facebook chat" sounds like a support question.
09:44.00afidegnumi did chmod 777 to /dev/input/event7 and I am having "Operation not permitted" error
09:44.52fsociety[00]datpetn-randall: is there a way to connect facebook account and chat with my friends via pidgin on Debian GNU/Linux?
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09:46.41jellyjudd: wnpp purple-facebook
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09:46.42juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/803473 in wnpp (open): «RFP: purple-facebook -- Plugin for pidgin to support new facebook chat»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-10-30; last modified: 2015-10-30.
09:47.10jellyfsociety[00]dat: "not yet, and someone has asked already"
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09:47.34jellyperhaps you can build it on your own
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09:48.16fsociety[00]datthank you so much jelly
09:48.30fsociety[00]datand I will read the bug
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09:51.46fsociety[00]datand lastly; I can't run mugshot >>> https://bpaste.net/show/9e4a809ebcb2
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09:53.47afidegnumfsociety[00]dat: are you Mr. Robot? :D
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09:57.04fsociety[00]datafidegnum: yes
09:58.31afidegnumhmm... prove it :D
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10:13.47dionysus69hello all can you explain me how this works? I have a boot menu at startup with debian windows loader and hard drive name, if I select debian i get a grub menu as expected, if I push windows lodaer, I get windows and if I push hard drive I get windows, why does hard drive default to windows bootloader instead of grub? I just have 1 efi partition with all those records inside it.
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10:17.15berarmaI'm using CakePHP 3.1.3, when saving a belongsToMany association with replace save strategy I get duplicates in the join table. Are there any known issues or changes?
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10:20.57fsociety[00]datjelly: thanks again & I compiled it and am using it now :)
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10:42.36berarmaI'm using CakePHP 3.1.3, when saving a belongsToMany association with replace save strategy I get duplicates in the join table. Are there any known issues or changes?
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10:44.59berarmaI'm using CakePHP 3.1.3, when saving a belongsToMany association with replace save strategy I get duplicates in the join table. Documentation says it should update. Why could it be? Any known issues or changes?
10:45.18ewewberarma Stop reposting.
10:45.19berarmaI'm debugging the code but I can't see where the update should be done, just the insertions.
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10:51.43enochhi all
10:51.51enochhow to check file creation date on ext3 partition?
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10:53.12berarmaoops, I'm very sorry I was posting to the wrong channel! Just noticed now. :(
10:53.27berarmaenoch, you can't, there's no such info in the filesystem.
10:53.46enochthank you
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11:02.31wacekwhy debian 8 is the VLC version rc after all want it to be stable distribution
11:03.26wacekand the VLC when playing the movie displays a green bar at the bottom of the screen
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11:05.33berarmawacek, the version in Debian will be the most tested and without security issues. The version numbers used by upstream aren't so important. Probably there weren't important changes since that RC to the final version, I guess.
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11:12.50wacekbut unfortunately the VLC when playing the movie displays a green bar at the bottom of the screen that can be the cause of this?
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11:14.18petn-randall,v vlc
11:14.19juddPackage: vlc on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2.2.0~rc2-2+deb8u1; jessie: 2.2.0~rc2-2+deb8u1; sid: 2.2.1-5; stretch: 2.2.1-5; wheezy-
11:14.20juddmultimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo1+cve1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo11
11:14.25morphyeyshello guys, I am using gnome 3 and I want to turn off that grouping while alt+tabbing ?
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11:14.31anevwacek: sounds like the video your playing has some weird resolution
11:14.32morphyeysI need to install a tweak for that or?
11:14.47anevwacek: have you tried changing the video preferences?
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11:17.01anevmorphyeys: i think it's compiz task switcher that does the gruoping.. iirc, you can disbale it using the compiz config settings manager
11:17.17morphyeyswhat is iirc?
11:17.24anev"if i recall correctly"
11:17.52morphyeysaah okay thanks
11:17.55anev,v compizconfig-settings-manager
11:17.57juddPackage: compizconfig-settings-manager on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-2
11:17.57morphyeyswell I need to install that config manager?
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11:18.07anevmorphyeys: yup
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11:19.09morphyeyswell it can't find such a package?
11:19.15morphyeystried apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
11:19.20berarmaanev, gnome doesn't use compiz!
11:19.27morphyeysokay
11:19.28morphyeysso?
11:19.58berarmamorphyeys, you can install an extensions to do that, there's some alternate methods
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11:20.22morphyeyswhat kind of extension?
11:20.33morphyeys1 guy have told me to use tweak or something like this
11:20.58morphyeysgnome tweak tool or something like this
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11:21.15berarmahttps://extensions.gnome.org/
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11:21.47berarmathere's a tool called gnome-tweak-tool but I don't think it can do that
11:22.21anevmorphyeys: he was referring to the this i think - https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/GnomeTweakTool?action=show&redirect=GnomeTweakTool
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11:22.33anevit's handy way to enable/disable extensions
11:23.00anevbut you still need to install them first :)
11:23.13wacekor it may be because the drivers for your graphics card?
11:23.36morphyeysahh okay
11:23.48morphyeysI have used the alternate tab extension
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11:25.17berarmawacek, it might the drivers or that the VM is doing screen scaling.
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11:34.48pennaanything for normal bridge? like for command brctl addbr brtest... what is the equivalent for interfaces file?
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11:35.09pennaiface br5 inet static;address 10.0.2.3;netmask 255.255.255.0
11:35.14penna; is linebreak
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11:37.04TimeRiderQ: No display from console - Jessie Server after grub on: Device: Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [0152].. any ideas? - Server runs - I can ssh into it, but monitor displays no signal
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11:41.23vampswxcafe: already answered
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11:42.12wxcafe... irc c'est vraiment plus ce que c'était hein --
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12:23.34TimeRider.. guess if anyone answered I missed it :/
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12:30.17pennaTimeRider, for console or for X? or do you see bootup process?
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12:34.06TimeRiderconsole
12:34.28TimeRiderI see grub, then part of the boot process - then screen goes off 'monitor shows no signal'
12:36.11pennado you use self compiled kernel?
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12:36.37TimeRiderjust clean latest debian - incidentally the same happens on ubuntu
12:37.16pennacan you see something in dmesg with ssh?
12:37.43TimeRiderI can indeed, anything in particular I should be looking for?
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12:39.18pennanot sure though. display things or display driver :)
12:40.20berarmaTimeRider, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:40.28TimeRiderhmmm... this may be of interest:  SystemIO range 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000052f conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000053f (\GPRE)
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12:40.50pennaberarma, I think his screen fails right after kernel load
12:40.55TimeRiderno Xorg on here - server install
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12:42.27berarmaTimeRider, graphical terminal can be disabled in /etc/default/grub in case that's the problem
12:42.52TimeRideryou know off hand what to add in there?
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12:43.21TimeRiderActually think I may already have.. Have tried various in there.
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12:44.42TimeRideradding nomodeset in there does boot but at very low res and sync rate looks way out
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12:45.59ewewCan you tell where exactly it disables screen ? After what line ?
12:46.28TimeRiderdifficult to say - boot process runs thru, unless I could slow that down I can't tell - as the screen simply goes off
12:46.59berarmaTimeRider, this is what my Debian Jessie has: # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
12:46.59TimeRiderI've tried the likes of vbetool to try force it back on afterwards, but to no avail
12:46.59berarma#GRUB_TERMINAL=console
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12:47.43TimeRideryeah, already uncommented here dude
12:47.54TimeRiderI tried that couple of days ago - same result
12:47.56berarmaTimeRider, re-installed grub?
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12:48.04TimeRiderdone it dude
12:48.08berarmasorry for maybe asking the obvious
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12:48.19TimeRiderno, sometimes we miss the obvious, thanks!
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12:49.00berarmathere should be some hint in dmesg or syslog
12:49.15TimeRiderokay I've had X been a pita before, but generally I get a terminal up on everything I've thrown Debian at... If I only knew where it was going off in the logs..
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12:49.31ewewdisconnect for now
12:50.22berarmaI've never had a problem with terminals either.
12:51.26jellythese days, terminals are not terminals but jsut another framebuffer (= graphical) based output thingy
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12:52.44TimeRiderI pasted dmesg output to #flood and got kicked :/
12:53.06jellyTimeRider: either keep nomodeset, or use the newer kernel from jessie-backports if you want the framebuffer console to work better with your relatively recent intel gpu
12:53.18berarma!pastebin
12:53.18dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
12:53.19jellydpkg, tell TimeRider about bpo kernel
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12:53.58jellythat is, assuming your machine uses the intel gpu.
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12:54.45TimeRiderjelly : it's an i3... but yeah I guess recent...
12:56.11TimeRiderI'll add in backports in a min and update - just checking further thru logs first
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12:57.47TimeRiderjelly : yeah it's using the intel gpu
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12:58.35TimeRiderjelly : backports repo going in!
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13:03.50TimeRiderjelly sadly same result with 4.2 bp :(
13:04.22jellyinteresting, let's see that dmesg then
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13:05.39__marcoHello. What are the packages virtualbox-guest-dkms, virtualbox-guest-source and virtualbox-source for?
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13:06.45jelly__marco: use "apt-cache show packagename" do see the package description
13:07.49__marcojelly: the description is not clear enough to me
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13:09.45jelly__marco: I think the -guest- ones are kernel part of guest additions that enable additional features inside a guest VM
13:10.18jelly__marco: dkms is an automated way to build kernel parts from source
13:10.19TimeRiderjelly : pm'd you - I'm gonna take a short lunch break
13:10.40TimeRiderand yeah I added noacpi in the kernel line just in case!
13:10.47jellyTimeRider: put the link here, so other people can take a look as well
13:10.52TimeRiderhttp://vp2.timerider.co.uk/dlog/dmesg.txt
13:11.35__marcojelly: and what about the difference virtualbox-dkms and virtualbox-source. The descriptions seem identical to me
13:11.48TimeRiderthe 'underrun' wasn't occuring on previous kernel just on the bp
13:12.05TimeRiderbbs
13:12.26jelly__marco: you're right: -source is just a different, older way of packaging kernel modules source code
13:13.43__marcojelly: thank you
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13:28.00Lionyxwhere can i ask for reaaalllly simple web hosting services?
13:28.41MY123_SurfaceRTLionyx: apt-get install apache2 on your own machine
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13:28.59MY123_SurfaceRTthere is nothing easier than that
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13:30.37LionyxMY123_SurfaceRT: hehehe tks man! But where I leave, electric power is a hell of a cost :(. I meant that the site is simple (just text and pictures do publish my own articles).
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13:32.37kyfhojessie here amd64
13:32.41kyfhohow get bfq?
13:32.45kyfhopf-kernel?
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13:35.27TimeRider.. I really shouldn't eat that fast, lol
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13:36.42kyfhoI am debating unlmited fruit plus pushsups vs reduce calorie n pushup to get ripped
13:36.54kyfhoso how recent kernel and bfq?
13:36.54TimeRiderlucky you got time, lol
13:37.00kyfhodebain8.2adm64 here
13:37.04TimeRiderbut unlimited fruit sounds real good
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13:37.22kyfhodurianrider on youtube says 5% fat for 14 years doing fruit
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13:38.22TimeRiderdon't believe everything on the tube - one of my vids tells you how to live forever... http://youtube.com/calls4u2
13:38.53Lionyxkyfho: i'm just a noob, and just for sake of me understanding what you want, uname -a, pearhaps?
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13:40.31kyfhohow get kernel 4.2 and bfq io scheduler on debian?
13:40.34kyfho:)
13:41.17Lionyxsee! noob on the spot! ;)
13:43.18kyfhowhy is debian documentation so chaotic
13:43.26kyfhocant get procedure to do many things
13:43.30kyfhowhere is the docs?
13:43.35kyfhoWhere are the docs?
13:45.39jellykyfho: docs to do what?  We have a https://wiki.debian.org, a handbook at https://debian-handbook.info/, and probably more
13:45.39petn-randall,kernels
13:45.40juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-rc7-686 (4.3~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.5-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.3-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u5)
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13:49.31kyfhowhere is the doc to get bfq
13:49.33kyfho?
13:49.50kyfhoor get pf-kernel repo and install it?
13:50.11jellywhat is pf-kernel?
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13:51.16TimeRiderjelly looks like it may just be same thing I just installed!
13:51.29TimeRiderjelly : that's from a quick google search anyways
13:52.12TimeRiderdid you enjoy reading thru my dmesg? it's quite a long one, and is pretty sad at the end...
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13:52.34jellyTimeRider: ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
13:52.48jellydid not read
13:53.33jellyTimeRider: telnet vp2.timerider.co.uk 80    Trying 46.32.255.241... [nothing happens]
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13:56.05Lionyxhow do I search inside a tar file? tar -tvf file |grep *.html , for example?
13:57.23jellyLionyx: that tar will only show file names, what are you trying to do?
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13:58.38Lionyxi'm trying to find an old website i had backuped together with a huge HD tared in a file.
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13:59.35TimeRiderjelly http://vp2.timerider.co.uk/dlog/dmesg.txt
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14:01.15Lionyxo GOD... 2006 backup... so many goodies, bitchx, licq, low res images, open office 1.x
14:01.43Lionyxjelly: managed with... tar -tfv backup.tar |grep htm|less    :-D
14:02.35TimeRiderLionyx : lol, now you just gotta extract ya huge archive and find out that that backup of the webpage is an old one you no longer need
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14:04.49LionyxTimeRider: something like that, but I really enjoyed the cool looking stuff i did back then, correction, it was 2005! The year i changed my study field completely, keep trying to guess if i'd be better if i sticked with IT! :\
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14:15.56TimeRiderLionyx : Awesome dude - I got a collection of cd's and DVD's going back to oh, probably 1990 or so... eek! pile of floppies too from before that.. one day I may get achance to see how much crap I backed up and pick out the real nice things
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14:19.19deepyTimeRider: if I were you I'd start recovering the data from the floppies
14:21.31TimeRiderdeepy : yeah - I know, probably lost forever - even worse as they probably all stored side by side together..
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14:31.39StereoHi everyone. I have a strange message appearing constantly in my logs:
14:31.44StereoNov  2 00:02:01 xenophile CRON[25264]: pam_env(cron:session): Unable to open env file: /etc/environment: No such file or directory
14:31.47StereoIt's strange because
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14:31.54Stereo-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug  7 11:34 /etc/environement
14:32.15bezabanStereo: double check spelling
14:32.39bezabanenvironEment
14:32.39StereoI have no idea where to even start investigate. Googling for that error message only found unrelated things. Brigo and abrotman suggested permissions, access list problems or a chroot, but it's neither of the above.
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14:32.48abrotmanHi ?
14:32.49abrotmanoh
14:32.53bezabanStereo: you do not have a file called /etc/environment
14:32.58abrotmanwill check backin a moment
14:33.01StereoHi abrotman, sorry I missed your message earlier
14:33.05abrotmanIt's okay
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14:33.22StereoDamn it bezaban you're right
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14:33.33bezabanStereo: often easier for others to see :)
14:34.03StereoYeah, when you have had your head stuck in it you can't see small things like that :)
14:34.07StereoThank you so much
14:34.19StereoAnd thank you abrotman and Brigo
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14:35.04StereoI'm in the process of improving my logcheck rules, this one was annoying :)
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14:41.44jake1-hi, how do I use tshark on debian, e.g. on other distributions, tshark host <ipadress> works... ?
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14:43.39dsprcjake1-: it is basically the same as wireshark, only with some extra features (pretty logs, etc)
14:44.11jake1-dsprc: I know that, just the command line syntax I use on centos doesn't work on debian
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14:46.14dsprcjake1-: so do a '--help' or man. is likely one or other have their own patches against it
14:46.28dsprcor maybe dont have same back-end support scripts/libs
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14:48.46jake1-yea been trying to RTFM, extremely poor documentation
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14:50.30dsprcjake1-: what specifically is it that you're trying to do?
14:51.01jake1-I just want to get out of packets of IP address I specify, in centos, e.g. I use syntax tshark host 4.2.2.1 , and it works
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14:51.56ChrisHjake1-: I personally use tcpdump to capture and wireshark for analysis. The tshark syntax and me did never get friends.
14:52.20jake1-ChrisH: totally agree with you :)
14:54.27ChrisHjake1-: And tcpdump and snoop syntax are pretty the same
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14:56.47dsprccan also use snort to do additional packet decoding / make more human readable but, tcpdump has most of that covered
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14:57.55dsprcto simplify reading and glancing at headers and stuff
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15:01.35OwnixHey guise. So I ran the same net-install ISO 3 months ago and the text based installer is asking me different questions now. Does the net install ISO actually pull down the latest install script during time of install?
15:02.21petn-randallOwnix: I which way are the questions different?
15:03.13petn-randallOwnix: the installer will always pull the newest packages, and every package can come with their own debconf questions upon installation.
15:03.30petn-randallOwnix: They shouldn't change too much in a stable release, though.
15:03.41Ownixpetn-randall: well I dont remeber being asked about sharing anon stats for most used packages, and I dont recall being asked which DE I wanted with a list that included stuff like Cinnamon
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15:04.06petn-randallOwnix: Sounds like you're now using expert mode.
15:04.37Ownix:o well the net-install said "Install" and "Graphical Installer"
15:04.42Ownixand I just clicked "Install"
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15:07.12somiajOwnix: that list is now part of tasksel in jessie, it should be one of the last things the installer gives you.
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15:11.12Ownixsomiaj: so will an older version of debain net-install iso start downloading Jessie files? or will the downloaded version of net-install only download the version it was designed for?
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15:13.06somiajOwnix: only the version it is designed for, as it uses 'wheezy' in its sources.list.
15:13.25somiajOwnix: note if you have an older netisntall, probabaly best to skip tasksel and dist-upgrade a minimial system if you wanted to upgrade.
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15:16.03Ownixahh okay. Downloading a new iso is no problem. Its more of a lack of understanding on how the net-install disk actually works
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15:19.52toogleydpkg: wheezy-jessie
15:19.52dpkgtoogley: bugger all, i dunno
15:19.59toogleydpkg: wheezy->jessie
15:19.59dpkgRead (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj .   In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie".  apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.  3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.  See also <jessie sysvinit>.
15:20.28somiajtoogley: /msg dpkg factiod is prefered, unless you are sharing tha tinfo with someone
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15:31.07dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: spf complains about: spam
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15:41.00morphyeysguys I am having 1 fast question
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15:41.08morphyeysI am having debian 8.2 jessie on this machine
15:41.19morphyeysand I want to install windows on another partition for my colleague here at work
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15:41.30morphyeysbecause I am using Linux, but he wants to use Windows
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15:41.55morphyeysand now If I install Windows on this machine on another partition how to fix the boot loader afterwards? or how to install the grub boot loader ?
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15:42.21morphyeysbecause windows is going to override the grub loader
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15:42.58p8mThe easy way would be to install windows first and then linux. If you are using UEFI windows will change the UEFI settings on every boot. There is a way to stop that
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15:43.27NoImNotNineVoltoh seriously?
15:43.49NoImNotNineVoltbecause i tried dual-booting and i couldn't figure out why it wasn't working..
15:43.51morphyeysp8m, well I didn't know that my colleague is going to use this machine when I am not here.. and I have formated everything and installed debian on it
15:43.53p8mIf you install debian and then windows. Windows will remove grub. You can boot the debian cd, go to rescue environment and run grub-install again
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15:43.54NoImNotNineVoltis that only with new versions of windows?
15:43.57ChrisHrerun grub-installer afterwards.
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15:44.14morphyeysrescue environment ?
15:44.20morphyeysonly the grub installer nothing else?
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15:44.35p8mmorphyeys: It's an option on the debian cd.
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15:44.46kskyap, he will detect your windows installation a create an entry for it.
15:44.56morphyeysokay
15:44.57p8mNoImNotNineVolt: I only have experience with windows 7 but it definitely reset UEFI on every boot
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15:45.41NoImNotNineVoltgood to know. will be wiping that box and trying again soon, hopefully this time i'll have a better idea of what's going on.
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15:47.56head8deb1anOk, so im trying to get rid of my router and jsut have a wifi card broadcasting wifi to my house, but when i try to set it up im getting Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
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15:48.35head8deb1anBut if i use wicd-client through ssh i can set up an ad-hoc network with that card just fine.
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16:04.50Philonousgiven a pkg-conf dependency, how would I find the debian package providing it?
16:05.27abrotmanapt-file is one way
16:05.28PhilonousE.g. I have a software package that depends on "stdc++", how would I know which debian package to install ?
16:05.44PhilonousAh, I could look for the .pc file
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16:12.44CuriousOneHello. Is there any way to have inet manual in /etc/network/interfaces and still set MAC address for that interface manually? I have problem with huawei modem getting "default" MAC address and few devices witch this modem get same MAC address
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16:25.56petn-randallCuriousOne: I don't think it works by default, but you can use macchanger for that in combination with 'pre-up'. See 'man interfaces' on how to use pre-up.
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16:30.40portonI want to un-richtext the selection in clipboard. What is the easiest way to do this?
16:30.47portonGnome
16:31.24portonCurrently, I start Kate, insert there, select in Kate and copy to clipboard again. But I want an easier way
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16:32.42abrotmanvim?
16:32.58portonabrotman: how Vim is easier than Kate?
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16:33.08abrotmandepends on the user :)
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16:34.16lord_robporton: what selection?
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16:35.11portonlord_rob: I think, it is called PRIMARY (the selection which I copy with Ctrl+C or Ctrl+Ins)
16:35.42portonporton: what is in the buffer after pressing Ctrl+C
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16:35.51lord_robyes but I meant where the selected text comes from? Anywhere?
16:36.35portonlord_rob: yes, anywhere. From LibreOffice, for example, from a HTML page. Or (right now) from KDE File Properties dialog
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16:42.59lord_robNever tried in LibreOffice but in Excel you have an option "Special paste" (dunno the exact term as I use a fr version) from where you can paste without any attribute
16:43.28lord_robIsuppose in any ms office app too, and in libreoffice also
16:43.39portonlord_rob: No, I want to de-richtext any clipboard buffer, got from any application, not only LibreOffice
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16:48.27lord_robporton: tried CTRL+SHIFT+V?
16:48.48portonlord_rob: In which apps CTRL+SHIFT+V works?
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16:50.20portonlord_rob: I look for an universal way, which works with clipboard copied from ANY application (be it Gnome, KDE, etc.)
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16:51.23lord_robthen you had it I think, the text editor way
16:51.52portonlord_rob: I may write a shell script, but not sure how to do it
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16:52.49portonlord_rob: both xclip and xsel commands seem not to have an option to convert to plain/text
16:52.56portonerr, text/plain
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16:56.04Lionyxporton: if i'm not wrong. KDE has this option whenever you're inside it. Only problem you might have would be on terminals (and there's a maybe here).
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16:57.02portonLionyx: I don't understand you. Which option does KDE have?
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17:02.27Lionyxporton: run Klipper (default with kde startup). Once it's loaded  select a formated text and copy it (like ctrl+c on firefox), then clic on the klipper icon and select the first entry of the list (should be your copied text), then open libreoffice writer and paste it directly. (i'm shure there's a shortcut not having to open klipper and clicking on the text, i can't remember now).
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17:03.29Toniwie geht euch
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17:03.35dpkgDeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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17:05.56Lionyxporton: besides the advantage of having a list with last copied texts, you can also use some settings to remove spaces and stuff like that. I'm running kde 4.14.2
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17:06.53portonLionyx: I am running Gnome, but it seems that Klipper works. However I am curious WHY clicking the first entry in the Klipper popup menu makes it plain text
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17:11.24Lionyxporton: thats a question I do not have the awnser! But it seems that by default klipper only manages a separated copy without messing with other stuff, the clicking think is just a way of asking it to "work" and load your text to transfer area without formatting.
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17:12.45portonLionyx: I don't understand your English
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17:14.00wacekI have a problem after updating Debian 7 to 8
17:14.11wacekdisplays me
17:14.23wacekA start job is running for dev-disk-by\x2du
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17:15.02wacekand you have to wait 1.30 minutes
17:15.06teraflopswacek: take a look at your fstab and check the entries are ok
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17:16.03teraflopstaking a look at the fstab and checking the entries are ok ...
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17:39.55mtnradonx: maybe you need to install something? http://packages.debian.org
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17:50.14ewewDoes anyone know why this link is not working https://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/po4a/html/index.en.html ?
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17:50.37greycatIt says "404 not found".
17:51.05ewewI know. But why its linked from debian wiki, section networking.
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17:51.10ewewhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference/Network
17:51.20greycathttps://people.debian.org/~osamu/
17:52.14ewewwait, it looks linke this https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html
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17:52.26greycathttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference/Network?action=info  << last modified 2009-11-19
17:53.01ewewok. nevermind then.
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17:54.36stochastixwhre can i find a debian php.ini file for php5.6 ?
17:55.04greycatJessie and later all have php 5.6.
17:55.07stochastixI am trying to get this web host crap to work and their php.ini file has extension names for windows
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17:55.26stochastixI am not sure what the extention namesare supposed to be in debian
17:55.36stochastixpretty sure they are using debian
17:55.50Lorner_please excuse the newbism - i want to disable mysql so it wont be able to get started by any script / process, without removing it from the server
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17:56.00Lorner_i managed to disable the autostart on bootup
17:56.02stochastixis there a place I can extract the php.ini file? I dont have debian installed at the moment
17:56.22Lorner_but im basically looking for some kind of "disabled" flag which will stop anything trying to start mysql again
17:56.49greycatstochastix: you could manually un-ar and un-tar one of the php .debs
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17:57.13stochastixOr perhaps the naming of the extensions are all the same in linux?  extension=curl.so   rather than = php_curl.dll for windows?
17:57.18Lorner_i lack the appropriate google-fu to find anything except the startup part :O
17:57.37greycatLorner_: you mean, like a future upgrade of the mysql server package?
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17:57.44stochastixnot sure if debian also has the php in front of curl too?
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17:58.55Lorner_no, we just want to use an external db right now but are unsure about all the places which could check and call the local mysql to run properly
17:59.14greycatstochastix: The extensions are not in php.ini in the first place.  They are in /etc/php5/mods-available/*.ini
17:59.32Lorner_i thought it would be easier to stop mysql from running than to find every script / place which is checking for mysql health/status and corrects them
17:59.45greycatLorner_: the only things that would start a mysql server would be booting, manually running a command as root, or upgrading the mysql packages
17:59.52stochastixgreycat: I mean the uncommenting and using of the extensions.
17:59.53Lorner_since this might be a temporary change i dont want to touch the installation though :)
18:00.01stochastixgreycat: in the php.ini file
18:00.09greycatstochastix: in that case, there are no uncommented extension=... lines in php.ini by default
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18:00.31Lorner_hmm i guess the check is custom built into some script then
18:00.38stochastixgreycat: I know, but I am uncommenting some, but they have the windows names
18:00.40radonxtcpdump: error while loading shared libaries: libcrypto.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
18:00.40dsprcLorner_: just remove the read and execute permissions of mysql :D will break a bunch of stuff though
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18:01.06stochastixgreycat: I need to know what they are called in debian. I know what they are called in Arch, but i am not sure if they are the same?
18:01.13stochastixgreycat: they should be right?
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18:01.18greycatstochastix: Then you are well outside of the Debian way of doing it.  Extracting the Debian php.ini would not help you at all.  Do you want to see a sample from one of the other .ini files that actualyl HAS an extension=... line?
18:01.20Lorner_heh
18:01.29Lorner_simple and describes it perfectly
18:01.48greycatExample, /etc/php5/mods-available/mysql.ini has extension=mysql.so
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18:01.49Lorner_since nothing else is relying on mysql on this machine I'll give that a try :>
18:02.09dsprcif want to find out what is calling it, then apparmor, selinux etc should tell you when auditing
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18:02.16stochastixgreycat: why am I outside of the debian way?  I am running Drupal and I need some extensions used. I need them uncommented?  It is the PHP.ini way wnay?
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18:02.28dsprcyou _are_ using mandatory access control lists, right? :)
18:02.32greycatBecause Debian does not PUT THEM IN THE php.ini FILE at all.
18:02.50Lorner_cool thx, will check selinux then
18:02.57Lorner_tomorrow when the next shift starts :p
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18:03.11stochastixgreycat: I see what you mean. well, all I have access to on this server is the php.ini file.
18:03.14greycatWhen you install a php extension package in Debian, it goes in /etc/php5/mods-available/something.ini
18:03.31Lorner_thx for your help dsprc !
18:04.41dsprcselinux has a _terrible_ syntax however
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18:26.18wacekI have to deal with flash player on debian version 11 of which I know is full of holes like Swiss cheese, if you use this on debian is safe?
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18:26.58PhonicUKhow can I get an exhaustive list of installed packages?
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18:27.47blindPhonicUK: dpkg --get-selections
18:27.50ewewPhonicUK http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dpkg&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en
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18:28.35mtnwacek: as safe as it is anywhere
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18:31.20wacekBut flash player has security flaws so as it can be safely use this?
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18:32.15dsprcwacek: everything has security flaws. just set your browser to only run plugins manually on-demand
18:32.34ewewwacek The security does not depend on sw, but on how the system is configured. Yo can put browser in chroot jail.
18:32.45ewew!chroot
18:32.45dpkgTo chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2).  Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys".  You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
18:33.01ewew!schroot
18:33.01dpkgschroot is an easy way of setting up a <chroot> of testing or unstable within your installation of stable.  See https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot and http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html
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18:33.24ewewJust a example.
18:34.09dsprcewew: that doesnt really offer security
18:35.10ewewdsprc Can you tell what provides security ?
18:35.27mtnwacek: you can use a much newer version of flash with chromium or chrome
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18:37.34dsprcewew: to be fair, nothing can. but selinux (etc), utilization of linux 'capabilities' or virtualization raise the bar slightly
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18:38.14ewewdsprc Dont think selinux is well documented.
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18:40.19stewnot as well as the flash plugin?
18:41.22ewewNow i read some documentation. I take it back. I can not know all.
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18:50.04cryptonixhey
18:50.23stochastixIs my password in setting3.php supposed to be in clear text ?
18:50.39stochastixdoes php hash it before sending it to mysql?
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18:50.55greycatIf it does, does it matter?
18:51.06cryptonix<PROTECTED>
18:51.20stochastixgreycat: sorry, wrong room :)
18:51.48cryptonixafter unchecking a few things from the config?
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18:59.00hippytaffhello, just about to make a persistent debian usb, just read about 8 being not as stable as usual. Does 8.3 fix this?
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18:59.44greycatDepends on what you're reading, what you mean by "stable", etc.
18:59.47pikapii have a persistence usb
19:00.17hippytaffhttps://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
19:00.25pikapipartitioned the usb into 1.1GB (NTFS) and remaining as ext4
19:00.43pikapiname the second partition casper-rw
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19:01.30hippytaffWith 8.3 pikapi?
19:01.37greycatMost of the complaints about Debian 8 are from people who dislike systemd for personal reasons.
19:01.44pikapihippytaff, what is 8.3?
19:01.53greycatAnd there isn't an 8.3 yet, and 8.3 would not be likely to fix any systemd issues that are present in 8.2.
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19:02.30hippytaffDebain current stable - Jessie, there was a point release due to 'issues'
19:02.41pikapihippytaff, nope using universal usb installer on windows
19:02.42hippytaffoh 8.2 issit?
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19:03.03hippytaff@pikapi I'll try that
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19:03.08dsprcx.0 releases are always bumpy and have 'issues' :)
19:03.35pikapihippytaff, hold on hippy
19:03.43hippytaffTrue, but Debian stable is usually proper stable :)
19:03.46pikapihippytaff, i was talking about ubuntu 14.04
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19:10.01Toniis this channel dead?
19:10.11greycatIt's resting, between questions.
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19:10.30Tonior only boots here
19:10.41hippytaffI'm not a bot
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19:10.48stewgreycat: botsnack
19:10.51cryptonix<PROTECTED>
19:10.53cryptonixafter unchecking a few things from the config?
19:11.07ewew!ask
19:11.08dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:11.14greycatcryptonix: I still have no idea what you are talking about.  Are you compiling one from source?  Did you install the correct kernel headers?
19:12.01Tonii have little problem with debian
19:12.24Tonii have one flamingo 220s streaming server
19:12.31cryptonixyes, its when I was unchecking a few things in the config, I get mismatched symbols version
19:12.50Tonithis system operativ not working
19:12.52greycatcryptonix: if you modify the config, you are making a DIFFERENT kernel image, and a different set of kernel headers.
19:13.57greycatToni: what isn't working?  What error do you get?
19:14.02Tonihttp://www.fotos-hochladen.net/view/anavia1vwi2j3sz4x.jpg
19:14.13Tonilock her if booting with live cd
19:14.22Tonii have this folder
19:14.23Tonihttp://www.fotos-hochladen.net/view/anavia1vwi2j3sz4x.jpg
19:14.29cryptonixgreycat my kernel headers are installed before making the kernel
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19:14.44cryptonixand its all of them
19:15.00greycatcryptonix: if you modify the config, you have to finish building the kernel, which generates a brand new set of headers matching that kernel, and you have to build the new module against those.
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19:15.11Tonibut i booting recovery modus http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/anavia2ocnw6bzh3y.jpg
19:15.28rstndhi all
19:15.45Tonihttp://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/anavia3g5xw37thu4.jpg
19:15.47rstndI have a problem installing jessie via preseed on qcow2 image
19:16.08rstndthere is stuck process "modprobe brtfs" which is runned from os-prober
19:16.39rstndhow I can disable os-prober during installation .. or to skip btrfs from anna-installer
19:17.04Toniand i have only folders http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/anavia4tkznov2ix9.jpg
19:17.50Tonibut i can not kopie this folder :(
19:17.53Tonihttp://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/anavia5wx45jno1zy.jpg
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19:20.59hippytaffCan anyone with more experience than me (which isn't hard) if this is a good guide before I try to follow it please? :) https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/420179-creating-a-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-with-persistence-for-non-techies
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19:29.22latteraI have a debian 8 VM that's bridged onto a network, I can see that it's trying to get DHCP for its eth0... the DHCP server sees the DHCPREQUEST and sends it back a DHCPOFFER, but the debian VM doesn't actually assign the offered address to eth0
19:29.27latteraanyone have any ideas?
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19:32.21latterait's a fresh install of debian 8
19:32.43latteraonly change was to adding backports repo and installing openjdk-8-jre
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19:37.13cryptonixhippytaff, try unetbootin
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19:38.36hippytaff@cryptonix I have but it only supports persistence for ubuntu. I've tried others (lubuntu etc) and it doesn't like persistence. So I assumed Debian would not be supported by the unetbootin persistence effort eventhough ubuntu is based on debian.
19:39.04rstndanyone for me? :)
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19:39.51cryptonixhippytaff at last resort you can install debian to the usb drive
19:41.24hippytaffCryptonix, problem is I'm borrowing someones windows PC for now to do it, so can't install a different OS on it.
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19:42.28hippytaffI'll sort something :) Prob just Trusty with unetbootin for the time being though.
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19:44.35cryptonixrstnd idk
19:44.37Chiyowhat does 0~ mean on the command line?
19:44.46spacebug^I'm currently using Ubuntu. Would it be hard to get monst things to work is I switched to debian? Like an desktop enviroment with 3D-acceleration support using my NVIDIA card?
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19:47.04rstndcryptonix: I have a problem with preseed installation .. on qcow2. os-prober wants to activate module btrfs .. but the process "modprobe btrfs" stays without exit .. and this is the reason why grub can not be installed on /dev/sda
19:47.10Eldunarhello guys. I just installed debian on vps for teamspeak server. I connected it to the domain, but some people can join via domain, and some people can not. Via ip everybody can do this.
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19:47.46greycatChiyo: probably means you pressed a function key or similar
19:48.48rstndEldunar: this is probably a DNS cache / propagation
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19:49.16Chiyogreycat, I don't think so because I'm using ctrl+c to copy something from windows to a ssh client
19:49.28davetoohi; new to channel. I've read that the runit supervisor is popular with debian-ites... is this a decent place to ask about svlogd configuration?
19:49.41greycatChiyo: well, perhaps the data you copied was not plain ASCII
19:50.24greycatthe ~0 is probably part of some kind of terminal escape sequence or document markup
19:50.29jellyI'm so behind the times I'm still using daemontools, not runit
19:50.46Eldunarrstnd: so i have to clean cache?
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19:52.39davetoojelly: it may be that even runit is "behind the times", I dunno.
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19:52.58greycatWith systemd in jessie, I think there are going to be relatively few runit/daemontools users going forward.
19:53.18greycatI'm like jelly... I know daemontools, never used runit.  Is it close enough that knowledge of one would carry over?
19:53.25davetooI need to figure out how to configure svlogd to rotate based on time/age rather than size
19:53.42greycatIf it's like daemontools's multilog, you don't.
19:53.43davetooand to keep a fixed number of archives/keep them for a fixed duration (a year)
19:53.45jhutchinsdavetoo: logrotate
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19:53.57greycatjhutchins: unlikely to be the correct answer.
19:54.25cryptonixrstnd you can try installing grub from the live cd
19:54.42davetoowell I don't like that every log but two on this system is in fact maintained by logrotate, and if I can figure out how to make svlogd do *nothing*
19:54.50davetoothen I would consider using logrotate to kick svlogd
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19:55.06davetoobut svlogd seems to do things to keep better track of the temp files while rotating them, for one
19:55.06rstndcryptonix: I have tested the installation from pxe / live cd / netinstall
19:55.20greycathttp://smarden.org/runit/svlogd.8.html
19:55.24jellydavetoo: well it probably is [behind the times], but systemd still does not have a compat layer and requires nontrivial migration
19:55.25davetoothis isn't my service to change, though; I just started here and have been given a "FIX EEET" ticket
19:55.48davetoojelly: I was actually thinking of s6
19:55.49jellytoo lazy to create a proper generic-enough conversion script
19:55.50greycatThere is a ttimeout option.
19:56.15davetoogreycat: yes, and I've tried using it,
19:56.18rstndEldunar: no, you cant fix that. could you please give me a hostname , .. I want to check something
19:56.46davetoobut I'm not sure of the precedence order (or even if the process is seeing my HUP signals...)
19:56.46greycatdavetoo: and you set s to a nearly-infinite value to suppress rotation by size, right?
19:57.06davetoogreycat: well I set it to 10x what it actually rotated it at, hence my comment about the signal.
19:57.12greycatI'm guessing there is no precedence order; it acts when either s or t is exceeded.
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19:57.28Eldunarrstnd: gg-ez.pl
19:57.35davetoogreycat: that was the guess I came to. Just looking for confirmation.
19:57.51greycat"If current has size bytes or more (or there is a new-line within the last len of size bytes), or is older than a specified amount of time, current is rotated:"
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19:58.02Eldunarthats the ts3 server
19:58.05davetoogreycat: the sv command is used to signal the daemon, but I'd just use kill(1) to signal svlogd?
19:58.17rstndEldunar: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/gg-ez.pl
19:58.18greycatWhy are you signalling it at all?
19:58.39rstndEldunar: everything looks good ..
19:58.42davetoogreycat: get it to re-read the log config file (which did not exist before.. and now, typing this out... I realize what is wrong)
19:58.54davetooIt never had a log config before, so it's not reading it.
19:58.58greycatAlso, "If size is zero, svlogd doesn’t rotate log files."  (if you wanted to pursue that route instead of ttimeout)
19:59.00davetooI'll have to restart the whole service.
19:59.03Eldunarrstnd: so why someone can log in. and someone can no?
19:59.14davetooI think you helped me figure it out, thanks.
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19:59.53Eldunaryeah, it is just teamspeak 3 server
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20:02.20greycatSo I guess svlogd has way more features than multilog.
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20:34.41frexmhttps://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7835
20:34.42frexm<3
20:34.44frexm\o/
20:35.17abrotmanfrexm: okay, and?
20:35.31abrotmanfrexm: it shows you it's been fixed.  Is that a problem?
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20:36.48frexmabrotman: Quite the opposite, hence hooray and love!
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20:37.08abrotmanfrexm: Uhm, it says fixed.  Are you blind?
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20:37.31Posterdatihi
20:37.34abrotmanfixed in Wheezy and Jessie.  As it should be.
20:37.35frexmabrotman: It was a comment on "Is that a problem?", don't be so trigger happy.
20:37.42abrotmanfrexm: don't be so dense
20:38.14frexmI tried to show my appreciation that this huge issue was fixed, with signs of love!
20:38.26abrotmanfrexm: If you want people to think you're actually happy about it being fixed, put some context in.
20:38.28blindCan confirm, they are not me.
20:38.29PosterdatiI need to change permissions and group for /sys/class/gpio/*, I did a udev rules (99-gpio.rule) which works only with udev test /sys/class/gpio, but not at boot
20:38.40abrotmanblind: Thank you! :)
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20:39.43frexmDamn.  I was trying to make up for being grumpy it was not resolved earlier..
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20:40.32abrotmanYou can still be grumpy
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21:02.42ehlo_f1rehi. Does know anybody script which does restart of services needed restart after upgrade? Thank you
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21:03.08greycatEach .deb package restarts its own stuff where appropriate.
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21:06.04ehlo_f1reIs secure execute output of `checkrestart | grep service |` ?
21:06.31greycatNo manual entry for checkrestart
21:06.38greycatI have no idea what you are talking about.
21:06.49ehlo_f1regreycat: checkrestart from debian-goodies
21:06.55greycatEach package will restart its own services upon upgrade.  If you think some got missed, just reboot.
21:07.45Tom01_What filesystem do I have to use for usb-install key?
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21:08.12greycatWhen you write the raw .iso image file to the device, it will create the file system.
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21:08.22Tom01_I see.
21:08.41Tom01_thx
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21:10.09ehlo_f1regreycat: I rather prefer restart services.
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21:13.03ehlo_f1rehmm, checkrestart  | grep service | while read -r comm;do `$comm`;done looks good. Hurray to production
21:13.18greycatfor god's sake at least grep ^service
21:13.23greycatread a man page on the web
21:13.46greycatand those backticks are just wrong
21:14.16greycat**IF** you trust this checkrestart thing, then:   checkrestart | grep ^service | sh
21:14.23simonlnugives a $() to ehlo_f1re
21:14.43greycat$() isn't wanted either.  that would run the service command, capture its output, parse that, and run it *again*
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21:15.18ehlo_f1reyup, ^service is better anyway :]
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21:17.57jelly,i needrestart
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21:17.58juddPackage needrestart (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades. Version: 1.2-8+deb8u1; Size: 22.8k; Installed: 186k; Homepage: https://github.com/liske/needrestart
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21:30.16xdijehi
21:30.32xdijei'm new on debian, and just installed debian 8,
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21:30.40xdijehow can i remove all installed games
21:31.14Monalisaman apt-get
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21:31.37greycatMonalisa: "games" does not appear in my copy of that man page
21:31.44at0mxdije: in aptitude, scroll down to Installed subtree, open it, scroll to games section and press _ or -
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21:32.02greycatif you want to remove every package that has a file in /usr/games/ you could write a script to dpkg -S each file and collect the package names
21:32.08at0mxdije: then 'g' to preview the execution
21:32.15at0mand again to confirm
21:32.24teclo-xdije: remove games ? Come on, this isn't W*ndows, you don't get pre installed games
21:32.24Monalisaat0m's solution is better, mine requires you to know the package name.
21:32.37Monalisayou get Chess
21:32.43at0mxeyes!
21:33.13xdijeat0m, i dont have aptitude installed
21:33.35greycatwell then, install that first?
21:33.39ehlo_f1reneedrestart looks working perfect. Thanks! But needrestart -r a doesn't restart dbug.service and systemd-journald.service. :\
21:33.48xdijei get error when i try to install it
21:34.01at0mxdije: it will save you loads of time unless you want to investigate greycat's dpkg -S scripting
21:34.03xdijeDepends: libcwidget3 but it is not going to be installed
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21:34.15greycat,v libcwidget3
21:34.16juddPackage: libcwidget3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.16-3; wheezy: 0.5.16-3.4; jessie: 0.5.17-2
21:35.00greycatxdije: is your sources.list mangled and possibly only pointing to a CD-ROM or other local physical medium?
21:35.00xdijemine is jessie i guess
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21:35.47DexterFhi
21:35.49xdijeno i commented out cd rom and enabled the online repo, then added the non free repo to install my wifi driver
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21:36.43greycat!tell xdije about jessie sources.list
21:37.06greycatI'm guessing you only have part of the needed repository ste.
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21:38.00xdijeso should i edit the sources.list , ???
21:38.13greycatxdije: yes, add the sources the bot said to use, and run apt-get update
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21:39.03DexterFmy deb8 box booting from a mdadm raid1 crashed, after reboot "Welcome to GRUB!" is on for a moment, then says "error: out of disk, entering rescue mode". booted a live linux, started the md device, comes up ok, mounted with --bind sys proc dev to a mount point with deb's / , chroot, grub-install to both raid1 disks, reboot, same error. help? I ran apt-get upgrade a few days earlier, might be that mdadm or grub received an update that
21:39.04xdijei dont see any repo here
21:39.05DexterFoverthrew something, but I'm a stranger at grub's rescue. help appreciated.
21:39.22greycatxdije: the bot told you to use 3 lines
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21:57.20file_existsDoes anyone know of a patch that will format `ip route list` the same as `route -n`
21:57.44p0rtI have a weird issue. I'm trying to execute a file (it's there, with right executable permissions), although bash says "no such file or directory". I'm 100% sure I typed filename correctly
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21:58.29p0rtwhat's wrong?
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21:59.24p0rtIt's a x86 program, I'm using an x64 atom though
21:59.27greycatp0rt: it can be 32-bit vs. 64-bit stuff
21:59.31greycatwins
21:59.39p0rt:D
21:59.44greycat!tell p0rt about multiarch
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21:59.55p0rtgreycat: is there a way to make it work>
21:59.56p0rt?
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22:00.17greycatinstall the multiarch stuff, and at least libc6:i386 maybe more
22:00.24zinxp0rt: i have arm working on my amd64 machine.  yes, you can make i386 work on it.
22:01.05p0rtgreycat: what do you mean by multiarch stuff?
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22:01.40greycatagain
22:01.44p0rtok
22:01.54p0rtI'm stupid
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22:02.38greycatkeep installing *:i386 library packages until ldd it satisfied
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22:03.02p0rtgreycat: it's going to be a looooong night
22:03.05p0rtthank you guys
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22:18.24NightSniperhey guys.. I deleted windows partition and would like to expand debian partition
22:18.28NightSniperhow can I do that?
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22:19.09NightSniperDo I need to create a new parition first and then resize?
22:19.44dcz<PROTECTED>
22:19.50NightSniperFYI, I used gparted to delete partition.
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22:27.17jhutchinsNightSniper: Didn't gparted offer to grow the partition for you?
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22:27.58NightSniperjhutchins, Nope.. I selected "Delete partition" and then it became unallocated
22:28.01jhutchinsNightSniper: My preference is since I always make a backup if I'm messing with partitions, I just delete it and create a new one, then restore.  It's often faster than the "grow" tools.
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22:28.26jhutchinsNightSniper: You would have to select the partition to expand, then look for an expand option.
22:28.39jhutchinsNightSniper: Been a while since I saw the screens.
22:28.47NightSniperjhutchins, When I try to create a new partition from the previous one. it says it'll become a primary partition. is that bad or good?
22:28.53NightSniperjhutchins, there's no option for expand
22:29.19jhutchinsNightSniper: DOS limitation that carried over, four primary partitions, one of which contains logical partitions.
22:29.39jhutchinsNightSniper: Is the space adjacent?
22:30.38jhutchinsNightSniper: http://gparted.org/display-doc.php%3Fname%3Dhelp-manual#gparted-resize-partition
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22:31.10NightSniperjhutchins, yep, first sda2 ends on sector 1401266175  and sda3 start at 1401268222
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22:33.18Tom01_Does Debian work on an i3 with HD 4000 graphics?
22:33.34silverhomyep
22:33.40Tom01_Intel HD 4000
22:33.47silverhomwell i think it works only kinda everything
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22:33.57Tom01_That is good.
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22:36.38kuindioshello friends, install "debian-mate" not the application "software update." as I find it?
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23:00.15kuindioshello friends, install "debian-mate" not the application "software update." as I find it?
23:00.37JikanHi. Is there a way to manually remove the "broken" state of a package?
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23:01.14Brigokuindios, i can't undestand your question ,sorry.
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23:01.38BrigoJikan, of course, work the problem out :)
23:02.08adm001mikuindios: where ya from?
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23:03.16JikanBrigo: that's not what I meant. I want to keep a (working) package seen as broken by apt. But I'd want apt to stop annoying me with its missing dependencies messages.
23:03.36kuindiosSpeak Spanish. install "debian-mate"
23:03.54Brigokuindios, me took join #debian-es :)
23:04.08BrigoJikan, then i think you can't.
23:04.17Jikan:(
23:04.41BrigoJikan, me too, que soy español, te contesto en #debian-es
23:04.44kuindiosapplication "upgrade" where is it?
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23:05.01adm001miBrigo: I was about the say the same
23:05.21edjuOn Wheezy.  Tried to install pipelight to get  Netflix.  Ran wget to get the key, and it put  Release.key in sources.list.d.  Install, however, balked - release key with   wrong extension - or something like that.  Anyone with experience with this?
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23:06.58kuindiosinstall "debian-mate". application "upgrade" where is it?
23:07.07dilsonarmandoq ????}
23:07.16dilsonarmandoabla español
23:07.57abrotman!es
23:07.57dpkgEste canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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23:08.20kuindiosinstale debian-mate, pero la aplicacion para actualizar no esta o no viene por default como la instalo?
23:08.33dilsonarmandook adios
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23:26.04JikanSolved by removing the dependency in the .deb file. I should have started with that :x
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23:53.07noggiis there a place on the debian site I can search for pkg in testing?
23:53.20noggineed to see what version they are etc
23:54.42Brigonoggi, what package?
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23:58.18Jikannoggi: https://packages.debian.org/testing/
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23:59.06bubblegunhey
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23:59.22bubblegunis it save nowdays to install debian with windows dual boot ?
23:59.33bubblegunwith the debian-windows-installer.exe
23:59.42Jikannoggi: https://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages?format=txt.gz for the full list (and easy to grep)

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