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| 00:05.13 | ewew | Is there a way to disable xfce4 window manager and replace it with i3wm ? Thank you |
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| 00:08.38 | jhutchins | ewew: I think that's probably a question for i3 support. |
| 00:08.59 | ewew | Any plans to add it ? |
| 00:09.08 | jhutchins | ewew: Add what? |
| 00:09.17 | ewew | i3wm with xfce4 |
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| 00:09.37 | jhutchins | ewew: Again, that would be a question for the i3wm people. |
| 00:09.50 | jhutchins | ewew: i3wm is pretty sparsely used on Debian. |
| 00:10.03 | jhutchins | ewew: Doesn't it have it's own desktop anyway? |
| 00:10.32 | edju | Trying to install Jessie on a late 2008 Macbook. Using OSX's diskutil, I first shrunk the OSX partition to 40GB and just left the remaining space. The netinst disc, however, read that as a debootstrap install and failed. What should I have done to the free space - formatted? |
| 00:11.16 | ewew | jhutchins not sure. |
| 00:12.12 | edju | I guess the free space is hfsplus. |
| 00:13.02 | ScottE | ewew: It's as simple as telling lightdm (or whichever you use) to start an i3wm session instead of xfce at login |
| 00:13.13 | edju | But netinst has parted, and I asked for a format. |
| 00:13.21 | jhutchins | edju: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 00:14.56 | jhutchins | ScottE: Technically the Window Manager and the Desktop Environment are different things, even though they're bundled together. In practice they're seldom dealt with seperately. I belive i3wm was originally developed with the Enlightenment desktop. |
| 00:15.19 | ewew | https://faq.i3wm.org/question/2483/howto-debian-wheezy-lightdm-i3/ |
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| 00:16.30 | ewew | Does not provide the effect i want |
| 00:17.23 | ScottE | jhutchins: certainly, but trying to explain WM vs DE vs DM is often more trouble than it's worth (and arguably, with i3wm, there is no DE) |
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| 00:19.15 | ewew | Nevermin. This is simple. Just make sure the scripts of i3wm run binaries i need. |
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| 00:22.15 | ewew | Just want to try something new. Wait i can try openbox and other. |
| 00:22.36 | n33dhlp | hm |
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| 00:51.09 | jhutchins | I suppose one can amuse oneself by going around sticking screwdrivers in power outlets. |
| 00:51.20 | jhutchins | Just don't ground yourself. |
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| 01:02.56 | at0m | jhutchins: practically, insulate. |
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| 01:18.18 | Prezident | /join #linux.com |
| 01:18.20 | Prezident | ups, sorry |
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| 01:20.24 | mi11k1 | Does anybody know anything about OpenVPN? |
| 01:20.45 | Prezident | Yep, sup? |
| 01:21.06 | mi11k1 | Why would one client get 10.81 and all the others 10.8? |
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| 01:49.40 | sine0 | what would be the foolproof option to allow a windows user to view my desktop |
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| 01:50.46 | arahael | sine0: hangouts? skype? vnc? remote desktop? Photograph and post? |
| 01:51.33 | sine0 | live stream... not skype yuck or google. I guess it has to be vnc |
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| 01:55.08 | themill | or rdp |
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| 02:04.43 | jordanm | sine0: teamviewer |
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| 02:05.12 | jordanm | proprietary and it's actually just bundled wine, but linux is supported by them |
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| 02:10.15 | Lionyx | did anybody here sucessfully virtualized Windows X with drivers functioning? i'm on jessie with virtualbox 4.3.18 |
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| 02:12.39 | Lionyx | debhelper: ftp |
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| 02:19.15 | GitGud | hi |
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| 02:21.18 | gzcwnk | hi |
| 02:21.31 | GitGud | loving deb 8 so far |
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| 02:23.08 | Tarnasa | Is there a reason that the current live iso's don't contain a /efi/boot/bootx64.efi file? |
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| 02:31.26 | cjen2837 | ;join #linux |
| 02:31.29 | cjen2837 | oops |
| 02:31.55 | cjen2837 | would it be possible to get this graphics card working with debian: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MMMMMX2 |
| 02:32.09 | cjen2837 | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M |
| 02:33.12 | cjen2837 | my son wants the computer with that |
| 02:33.39 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 02:33.40 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:34.16 | cjen2837 | jhutchins, thanks so by default i can just install debian and it should work using the open source driver? |
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| 02:34.43 | cjen2837 | i'll try that if it doesn't work i'll follow instructions for proprietary |
| 02:34.47 | ps-ax | it may |
| 02:35.19 | cjen2837 | the proprietary will almost surely work if it comes to that though, right? |
| 02:36.47 | cra1g321 | cjen2837, if you click "supported devices" on this page - https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
| 02:37.14 | cra1g321 | it takes you to a nvidia page, listed is "GeForce GTX 860M" |
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| 02:37.59 | cjen2837 | oh great it lists it |
| 02:38.17 | cjen2837 | ok didn't want to buy this and struggle with it so thanks for the help |
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| 02:38.39 | cra1g321 | beast of a laptop btw :) |
| 02:38.58 | cjen2837 | yes much stronger than my netbook with 1gb memory lol |
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| 02:59.40 | karlpinc | I don't want to start mysql or apache until I unlock the cryptfs that they use. So I have a separate systemd target that I invoke after cryptfs unlock that starts mysql and apache. But when mysql or apache gets a security update they don't automatically restart because their sysV runlevels don't start them. Is there a way to make the restart automatic? |
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| 03:00.00 | karlpinc | They stop, but the don't start again. |
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| 03:02.44 | karlpinc | Basically the dpkg upgrade process is broken. It's not specific to apache or mysql. I'd like to report a bug but don't know what package to report it against. It's something in the way all packages work. |
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| 04:03.13 | Sleeee | I'm having trouble configuring my wireless. I'm using raspbian but that channel seems to be dead |
| 04:03.49 | Sleeee | I can see the SSID of my router with wpa_cli scan |
| 04:03.58 | Sleeee | but no luck getting any network connect |
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| 04:05.20 | Sleeee | It's really annoying/broken |
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| 04:05.58 | asla | hello, I don't know whether this is the right place to ask. I have been using my USB keyboard without problems until this morning when grub cannot receice keyboard input |
| 04:06.16 | asla | (Am using a dual boot set-up with windows 8 and debian jessie) |
| 04:06.37 | arahael | asla: Begin basic troubleshooting. |
| 04:07.10 | arahael | asla: The stupid stuff. 1) Is it plugged in? 2) Is it turned on (if neccessary)? 3) Does it work in another computer, 4) Does another keyboard work, and so on. |
| 04:07.10 | asla | Also, the keyboard works with BIOS - that's before grub loads |
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| 04:07.35 | karlpinc | asla: Look in dmsg output. Try using the lsusb command.... |
| 04:08.24 | karlpinc | asla: Does it work if unplugged and re-plugged in? (look in dmsg after that, etc.) |
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| 04:08.45 | arahael | Note that keyboards have different functional circuits. One might have developed a fault. |
| 04:08.47 | Sleeee | any ideas for me? |
| 04:09.05 | karlpinc | arahael: Or one of the usb ports may have a problem. |
| 04:09.18 | arahael | karlpinc: Indeed. |
| 04:09.31 | karlpinc | Sleeee: We wouldn't know. Unless you're using debian we can't really say what to do. |
| 04:09.55 | Sleeee | ah wishful thinking I guess |
| 04:10.11 | Sleeee | they use the same package manager and have a lot of the same packages |
| 04:10.35 | Sleeee | it's even called "jessie" |
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| 04:11.14 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 04:11.31 | asterismo | i'm trying to run jirc irc/jabber bridge |
| 04:11.34 | asterismo | and i get this |
| 04:11.36 | asterismo | you may need to install the POE::Filter::XML::Utils module |
| 04:13.35 | karlpinc | asterismo: Sounds like some awful perl something. Is this using debian packages? Maybe there's a perl related package dependency that's missing. |
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| 04:17.12 | asla | Works with unplug-plug, thanks for the reponses! |
| 04:17.32 | asterismo | https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1359811.html |
| 04:18.25 | asterismo | what to do? |
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| 04:27.51 | SirCrunkleton | I set up a vpn in KDE and connected to it fine... but it doesn't seem to be working. my regular ip address always shows up. |
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| 04:40.48 | GitGud | SirCrunkleton, OpenVPN / |
| 04:40.49 | GitGud | ? |
| 04:41.16 | SirCrunkleton | yes, openvpn via the KDE network manager app |
| 04:41.26 | GitGud | ah. come on over to #openvpn and they'll help |
| 04:41.31 | SirCrunkleton | thanks |
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| 05:11.13 | torpet | Hi all. I am trying to install pip on Debian jessie. According to the python website pip should be installed by default starting with 2.7.9 (which is what I have installed) |
| 05:11.42 | torpet | except it's not |
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| 05:12.17 | themill | ,v python-pip jessie |
| 05:12.23 | judd | Package: python-pip on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.6-5 |
| 05:12.33 | themill | torpet: ^^ you need to install the relevant package |
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| 05:12.52 | torpet | themill: well that's oudated |
| 05:13.06 | themill | no, that's the version of pip in jessie |
| 05:13.21 | torpet | sure it is |
| 05:13.43 | torpet | so that means i need to install it with unofficial methods |
| 05:14.24 | themill | what are you really trying to do? |
| 05:14.49 | torpet | installing a few pip packages for a project i'm working on |
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| 05:15.03 | s4ndm4n | Like? |
| 05:15.27 | torpet | petlib |
| 05:15.31 | arahael | torpet: Install the system virtualenv. Install the system pip. Then virtualenv a new environment and update pip and go with that. |
| 05:16.01 | torpet | arahael: ok cool that sounds like a good solution |
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| 05:21.51 | torpet | arahael: why do i need system-virtualenv though? |
| 05:21.59 | AlsoDirkson | Hey all. Any easy way to drop a basic, generic-drivered debian onto a flash drive without doing the whole "reboot the machine and install debian" thing? |
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| 05:22.50 | arahael | torpet: Best practices. If you're developing a python app, you shouldn't fiddle with the system installation. |
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| 05:23.10 | arahael | torpet: It also allows you to install the latest of whatever you like without even being slightly concerned with compatibility with the system. |
| 05:23.24 | arahael | torpet: Also, it avoids needing root for simple day-to-day dev. |
| 05:23.55 | torpet | arahael: sure but with python-pip installed i could have installed virtualenv via pip right? :D |
| 05:24.35 | arahael | torpet: Well, ostensibly yes, but I don't like to mix package management systems. Use dpkg for dpkg's systems, and when you have yoru own virtualenv, then go nuts. |
| 05:24.56 | torpet | oh that's what you meant, yeah that's the cleanest solution. thanks you saved me some time. |
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| 05:26.03 | torpet | arahael: i know that's slightly offtopic. but should i create the venv first and then clone the existing src or the other way around? |
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| 05:27.04 | arahael | torpet: The venv becomes an alternate python install. |
| 05:27.38 | arahael | torpet: So yes, create the venv first. Then pretend that's your main python. #python would be on-topic for this. |
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| 05:28.45 | torpet | thanks |
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| 05:48.57 | Atm0spher1c | I just did dpkg -i *all* and seemed to work |
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| 07:20.56 | GitGud | brian|lfs, haha yeap |
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| 07:23.47 | mango | hello all, |
| 07:24.05 | mango | I have installed debian jessie on my lap |
| 07:25.33 | mango | I have installed debian jessie on my lap and phpmyadmin, php5, apache2...localhost page shows that apache is working but joomla pg |
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| 07:25.40 | mango | page is giving me a lot of gebrish |
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| 07:26.36 | mango | I have installed debian jessie on my lap I have installed debian jessie on my lap and phpmyadmin, php5, apache2...localhost page shows that apache is working but joomla pg is giving me a gebrish...anyone can help pls |
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| 07:33.42 | GitGud | mango, say that one more time. maybe someone will help you :P |
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| 07:34.20 | GitGud | also i heard from my friends joomla is full of security holes....i dont know about that |
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| 07:34.51 | bezaban | like a lot of things it's ok when patched |
| 07:35.15 | bezaban | and preferably further locked down, but that applies to any cms imo |
| 07:36.27 | bezaban | mango: #joomla might be a better bet. But as far as I can remember it's just a question of unpacking the archive in webroot, setting the correct permissions and adjusting the config .php file with db settings etc before running a setup php script |
| 07:37.18 | mango | GitGud my phpadmin is not working properly after I installed then removed mariadb-server...all I get is gebrish when I try to view joomla on the browser....I never had any problem before with debian installation |
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| 07:37.50 | bender | question: on debian 8 how do i view all network devices? |
| 07:37.57 | bender | ifconfig doesn't work :P |
| 07:38.44 | mango | bezaban joomla sript was working finr before I installed mariadb-server. but after I installed this last I got all kind of problems...so I removed it then installed the normal lamp package..but unsuccessfull. |
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| 07:40.32 | bezaban | mango: did oyu set up a database user? |
| 07:41.03 | mango | bezaban running localhost gives me "mariadb-server" but running localhost/phpmyadmin give me all gebrish |
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| 07:41.46 | bender | no i didn't setup a database user |
| 07:41.52 | bender | not sure what that means |
| 07:42.08 | bender | i just want a way to view all my network adapters from CLI |
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| 07:42.18 | mango | bezaban before I instaled meriadb-server yes...after I removed this last and started everything from scratch but I don't even get the script of joomla working |
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| 07:45.16 | mango | bezaban this is what I get when I try to view phpmyadmin on my browser http://pastebin.com/P8R0PG0D |
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| 07:46.51 | mango | bezaban for joomla this is what I get on the browser http://pastebin.com/TaXFvzSx |
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| 07:49.15 | bender | ip - link |
| 07:49.20 | bender | ip -s link |
| 07:49.24 | bender | was the command i needed |
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| 08:06.03 | chele | I have created a cron job using crontab -e and I would like to output to a log file. The line contains something like this * * * * * script >> log 2>&1 but I still get emails from cron. |
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| 08:06.45 | chele | Fixed. |
| 08:07.02 | stew | you have too many asterisks :) |
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| 08:07.19 | stew | no, i'm crosseyed |
| 08:07.24 | chele | :) |
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| 08:07.40 | morphyeys | morning guys, I am running Debian 8.2 jessie and I am wondering how to create a bootable usb stick with Ubuntu on it |
| 08:07.47 | morphyeys | on Ubuntu there's a startup disk creator |
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| 08:08.02 | morphyeys | but I have no idea what to use on Debian |
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| 08:09.53 | stew | is creating a bootable usb stick more than copying some image from a url to the stick? |
| 08:10.41 | morphyeys | idk? |
| 08:10.46 | morphyeys | is the ubuntu iso hybrid? |
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| 08:11.25 | stew | google says yes since 2011 |
| 08:11.48 | inch | morphyeys: You could run ubuntu installer in kvm and install directly to the stick. Then it doesn't matter which distro is running. |
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| 08:12.02 | joeytwiddle | I used unetbootin. Apparently it's well out of date, but I haven't found anything better yet :P |
| 08:12.22 | joeytwiddle | it's a bit slow though, since it compresses your iso :( |
| 08:12.33 | stew | joeytwiddle: what does unetbootin do that "wget -o /dev/sdX http:/whatever" doesn't do ? |
| 08:12.39 | morphyeys | so just cp on the usb stick? |
| 08:13.22 | stew | morphyeys: this is quickly becomming a question for #ubuntu |
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| 08:13.41 | joeytwiddle | dunno. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en says copy the iso should be enough indeed |
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| 08:14.22 | morphyeys | joeytwiddle, but I want to create a bootable usb stick with ubuntu |
| 08:14.50 | joeytwiddle | yeah just saw that |
| 08:15.11 | joeytwiddle | stew, one thing it does different is it compresses your iso (non-optional), which you may or may not want. |
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| 08:15.53 | x86_64 | hey |
| 08:16.02 | x86_64 | what is the key most commonly used as the compose key? |
| 08:16.10 | x86_64 | like: right Alt is always AltGr |
| 08:16.14 | stew | morphyeys: i was figuring you wanted an installer, it sounds like you want either something that acts like a live cd or like a regular install just on a thumbdrive instead of a hard disk? |
| 08:16.18 | x86_64 | what about the compose for a 105-key keyboard? |
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| 08:20.05 | morphyeys | stew, I need to use ubuntu as live cd |
| 08:20.12 | morphyeys | to resize 1 of my partitions |
| 08:21.36 | joeytwiddle | 'cp' didn't work? how about 'dd' then? See step 8: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx |
| 08:21.54 | stew | stop |
| 08:22.04 | stew | dd doesn't do anything cp doesn't do |
| 08:22.18 | joeytwiddle | you're right |
| 08:22.32 | stew | unless you are using one of the options to skip bytes or mutate bytes, like skip, seek, count |
| 08:22.37 | joeytwiddle | these guys reckons their windows USB burner works under wine!! http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
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| 08:23.20 | jelly | x86_64: I use the Menu key. |
| 08:23.30 | stew | there is lots of misplaced superstition around using dd for disk images, but its just superstition, there is no reason to think there might be bugs with cp |
| 08:23.47 | joeytwiddle | cat ... > ... also :D |
| 08:23.53 | x86_64 | kthx |
| 08:24.06 | joeytwiddle | sorry UUOC. < ... > ... |
| 08:24.12 | stew | yes, its all just "copy bytes until you run out of bytes or run out of room" |
| 08:25.05 | Stummi | just wondering, is this a special case for cp, when the destination is a blockdevice to not replace the inode but open and write to it? |
| 08:25.36 | Stummi | I always thought cp deletes a existing destination first |
| 08:26.54 | Stummi | nvm, it seems I was wrong |
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| 08:35.35 | x86_64 | okay |
| 08:35.35 | x86_64 | uh |
| 08:35.51 | x86_64 | Debian 8.2 installation froze and Num, Caps, Scroll lock light blinking |
| 08:35.54 | x86_64 | what does this mean? |
| 08:36.32 | x86_64 | actually, no numlock |
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| 08:42.10 | ChrisH | x86_64: sounds like a kernel crash. Switch to tty4 still possible? |
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| 09:07.36 | zylinx | i am running Jessie and i my drop down boxes seem to be broken, in browser and even sometimes in applications. not just drop down box, but also general application menus (ie. clicking the menu button in chromium) |
| 09:07.51 | zylinx | could anyone help me trouble shoot this ? could it be GNOME or GTK or somthing ? |
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| 09:08.52 | zylinx | sometimes the box appears but is empty, or the wrong size |
| 09:09.08 | zylinx | i can click the box and use arrow keys if i am lucky |
| 09:10.22 | zylinx | could it be i am using duel screens. and the code that draws the menu is getting confused by the resolution of my desktop ? |
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| 09:14.26 | zylinx | i fixed it ! if you change the relative screen position in display settings (arrange desktops) it breaks drop down boxes |
| 09:15.35 | x86_64 | Hello guys! |
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| 09:16.04 | x86_64 | take a good look |
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| 09:17.05 | swift110-phone | Hm, |
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| 09:17.20 | x86_64 | http://i.imgur.com/MC33V3u.jpg |
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| 09:17.31 | x86_64 | installing debian 8.2 with success! |
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| 09:20.03 | x86_64 | rip kernel panic |
| 09:20.16 | x86_64 | reisub couldn't recover it |
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| 09:22.18 | solrize | any idea where to find libintl and libiconv for debian 8.1 armhf? thanks |
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| 09:24.19 | ChrisH | x86_64: looks like an oldtimer box. I would start running memtest and if thats fine, switch to a different kernel. It looks like a VIA CPU and I had some 'strange' expierences with them in the past |
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| 09:28.25 | themill | solrize: what are you trying to do with them? (they're part of libc and you'll definitely have that) |
| 09:28.34 | solrize | trying to build guile |
| 09:28.44 | solrize | its ./configure looks for them and they don't show up |
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| 09:29.28 | themill | guile is already in Debian bt |
| 09:29.29 | themill | w |
| 09:29.37 | solrize | i'm trying to build the new version |
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| 09:30.48 | themill | you may as well start with the debian packaging -- at least look at what packages are installed to build it and what patches are needed for the build system |
| 09:31.21 | solrize | it says i don't have libc.h -- is that a sign that my libc install is wrong? |
| 09:31.23 | x86_64 | ChrisH, i did an install on this same CD before, it worked fine; but on the same CD again, this happens. I did some googling which didn't give me too much help but gave me a clue: this problem comes after you use the computer for a while -- before the reinstallation; i did screw up with stuff. |
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| 09:32.05 | Spartapatate | Hey guys, we're running debian 8 and our NTP daemon keeps randomly dying (???) which causes a lot of applications to misbehaves... Anyone experienced something similar ? |
| 09:32.08 | themill | !b-e solrize |
| 09:32.08 | dpkg | solrize: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:32.36 | solrize | trying that, thanks |
| 09:32.45 | solrize | yes it's finding some stuff |
| 09:33.29 | solrize | ok starting ./configure again... this takes a few minutes |
| 09:34.02 | x86_64 | !b-e x86_64 |
| 09:34.03 | dpkg | x86_64: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:35.03 | solrize | oh this is kind of annoying, it doesn't want to build on my debian 7 x86 system because libgc is too old |
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| 09:35.15 | solrize | i better go to bed, will mess with this some more later. thanks guys |
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| 09:37.40 | Spartapatate | bwaaaah! got some hosts ntp won't even start on anymore |
| 09:37.42 | Spartapatate | i'm so confused |
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| 09:39.59 | Spartapatate | I got random boxes provisionned with the same Deb8 based image |
| 09:40.00 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 09:40.08 | Spartapatate | Some have NTP working perfect |
| 09:40.12 | Spartapatate | Some have NTP dying randomly |
| 09:40.18 | Spartapatate | Some have NTP dying randomly and not starting back |
| 09:40.54 | jelly | Spartapatate: all in the same segment, looking at the same ntp servers? |
| 09:41.00 | Spartapatate | yeah... |
| 09:41.02 | ChrisH | Spartapatate: real HW or VMs? There was an DOS against NTP, IIRC |
| 09:41.07 | Spartapatate | VMs :/ |
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| 09:41.34 | jelly | which VM solution? |
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| 09:41.47 | Spartapatate | VM$r |
| 09:41.48 | ChrisH | Spartapatate: consider using chrony on VMs |
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| 09:41.50 | Spartapatate | not to cite it |
| 09:42.06 | Spartapatate | well |
| 09:42.08 | Spartapatate | hmm |
| 09:42.33 | Spartapatate | because of timedrift with hw clock sync ? |
| 09:42.58 | jelly | Spartapatate: maybe I asked for a reason. Maybe certain hypervisor vendors have specific instructions how to get ntpd working |
| 09:43.09 | jelly | but maybe you don't want help |
| 09:43.32 | Spartapatate | jelly: i just didn't want to say vmware here :P |
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| 09:43.44 | jelly | don't be childish |
| 09:43.48 | ChrisH | chrony has a different algotithm to sync and it can cope better with VMs |
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| 09:45.17 | Spartapatate | jelly: well, some people around freenode react pretty badly to that word |
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| 09:46.14 | Spartapatate | or rather name, that's not a word |
| 09:46.21 | jelly | Spartapatate: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1006427 # make sure the guest additions are not messing with the guest clock |
| 09:47.04 | Spartapatate | yeah that's probs what's happening, i was reading this page just now |
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| 09:47.18 | jelly | I'm running our local ntps on Debian 7 and 8 on vSphere 5.5 |
| 09:47.42 | Lionyx | good morning! :D |
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| 09:48.54 | Spartapatate | jelly: seems timesync is already disabled |
| 09:48.55 | Lionyx | I want to set a ftp server on debian jessie, which one would be a good software? And is it easy to configure? |
| 09:50.16 | Mathisen | Lionyx, plenty to choose from |
| 09:51.06 | ksk | Lionyx: ftp sucks, can you use scp/sftp? |
| 09:51.11 | Mathisen | Lionyx, https://www.debian-administration.org/article/383/Howto_install_pureftpd_on_a_debian_machine |
| 09:51.18 | Mathisen | for example |
| 09:51.55 | Lionyx | tks! What would be the diff of ftp and sftp? (yeah noob detected!) |
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| 09:52.52 | Spartapatate | sftp runs over SSH so you don't need a FTP server, as long as you have a SSHd with the sftp extension |
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| 09:53.07 | Spartapatate | (which should be the default iirc) |
| 09:53.51 | ksk | !tell Lionyx about ftp must die |
| 09:54.13 | Spartapatate | great, now ntp starts but doens't sync... on one particular vm |
| 09:54.14 | Spartapatate | hm |
| 09:54.59 | Lionyx | Mathisen: ksk: but can i use it inside a browser like ftp? Does Filezilla supports it? |
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| 09:56.09 | Spartapatate | Filezilla does support SFTP if that's what you're asking |
| 09:56.09 | themill | Lionyx: filezilla supports sftp just fine |
| 09:56.16 | ksk | yes, it does. and many many other popular clients |
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| 09:56.25 | buscon | hi everyone, |
| 09:56.38 | ksk | eh, you cannot use scp/sftp in a browsern, no. |
| 09:56.40 | buscon | i have a problem with a server running debian 7 |
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| 09:56.50 | buscon | another sysadmin did |
| 09:56.52 | buscon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.55 | ksk | but you could also setup a webserver with that directory to just offer a download |
| 09:56.59 | jelly | Spartapatate: well, so much for the easy answer |
| 09:57.08 | buscon | on that server and since then it starts in rescue mode only |
| 09:57.25 | buscon | how can i find out what the problem is? |
| 09:57.37 | buscon | i checked in syslog for now but nothing relevant sofar |
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| 09:58.23 | Spartapatate | jelly: i guess i'll just try out chrony, ntpd seems particularly sloppy at times (and i can't say it's very practical that the debian package comes with debug options compiled out...) |
| 09:58.49 | Lionyx | tks themill ksk i'll take a look on it |
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| 10:00.31 | Spartapatate | jelly: thanks for the help though! |
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| 10:03.50 | radonx | where can i find my .bash_profile file on Debian 8 Jessy |
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| 10:04.38 | Spartapatate | radonx: if you're looking for your user bashprofile, it should be in your $HOME directory |
| 10:05.00 | Spartapatate | radonx: i don't think it exists by default tho |
| 10:05.40 | anigma | is it possible to install GNOME 3 without the end-user applications via the debian installer? |
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| 10:06.43 | radonx | im a changing the prompt, it has to contain a smiley who is made with a script, the change of the prompt and the script have to be in the .bash_profile file the paper said |
| 10:06.55 | mango | bezaban sorry I lost connection |
| 10:07.07 | mango | and cannot see previous messages |
| 10:07.15 | jelly | radonx: it's in your $HOME, silly |
| 10:07.41 | jelly | radonx: if it's not, you can create and use it. man bash, see INVOCATION section. |
| 10:07.50 | mango | bezaban this is what I get when I try to view phpmyadmin on my browser http://pastebin.com/P8R0PG0D |
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| 10:08.23 | mango | bezaban for joomla this is what I get on the browser http://pastebin.com/TaXFvzSx |
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| 10:09.01 | morphyeys | Hello guys, I have installed Windows on my machine and now I am not able to boot into my Debian 8.2 jessie |
| 10:09.16 | morphyeys | after entering the rescue mode what should I do to install the grub boot loader |
| 10:09.17 | mango | bezaban phpmyadmin is not working after I installed and removed meriadb-server |
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| 10:10.06 | Spartapatate | morphyeys: depends! are you using EFI or BIOS ? |
| 10:10.17 | morphyeys | BIOS |
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| 10:11.06 | majest1c | Im connected to my server with OpenVPN and the IP-address I get when connecting is not working to connect to that server with or forward a domain to. What is the problem? Some server setting or what? |
| 10:11.20 | Spartapatate | morphyeys: i'm not sure anymore, do you get your system' prompt in rescue mode or a rescue shell on the cd ? |
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| 10:11.47 | mango | can anyone please help me with phpmyadmin on jessie or tell me where to go thanks. |
| 10:11.56 | morphyeys | I am booting the debian net install from my usb stick |
| 10:12.01 | Spartapatate | let me check |
| 10:12.02 | Stummi | morphyeys, the d-i rescue mode offers a option for reinstalling the grub, I think |
| 10:12.04 | morphyeys | and then I am entering the graphical rescue mode |
| 10:12.10 | morphyeys | but I don't know what to do afterwards? |
| 10:12.19 | morphyeys | the d-i ? |
| 10:12.21 | morphyeys | debian installer? |
| 10:12.23 | morphyeys | or what do you mena? |
| 10:12.25 | morphyeys | mean* |
| 10:12.26 | Stummi | yes |
| 10:12.27 | morphyeys | and where to install it |
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| 10:12.38 | morphyeys | on which partition |
| 10:12.42 | Spartapatate | i can walk you through doing it on commandline, but indeed there's very little point if it's in the gui :P |
| 10:13.02 | Spartapatate | there's two components in your bootloader |
| 10:13.16 | morphyeys | after choosing to install the grub boot loader |
| 10:13.16 | Spartapatate | 1/ the files on the /boot partition, which is the complete loader, settings and crap |
| 10:13.17 | Stummi | morphyeys, you should know that yourself. Since you made your partition layout, right? |
| 10:13.33 | Spartapatate | 2/ the actual loader/stager in MBR for BIOS |
| 10:13.36 | morphyeys | well I am having 1 partition 100 mb for the windows boot loader |
| 10:14.14 | Spartapatate | for a grub install, you would mount your /boot, and use grub-install to direct it at your bootdisk' so it can install on MBR, and it'll auto put the required files in /boot |
| 10:14.27 | Spartapatate | so if you have say |
| 10:14.50 | Spartapatate | layout -> /dev/sda1: /boot, /dev/sda2: rootfs, /dev/sda3: windows ntfs |
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| 10:15.02 | Spartapatate | you just mount /dev/sda1 to your /boot as usual |
| 10:15.06 | Spartapatate | and run grub-install on /dev/sda |
| 10:15.30 | Spartapatate | see what i mean by that ? sorry if that's not clear |
| 10:15.37 | Spartapatate | you don't usually install the bootloader itself on a partition |
| 10:15.47 | Spartapatate | rather in the MBR of the whole disk |
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| 10:16.57 | morphyeys | how to know which one of the root file systems to choose? |
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| 10:18.03 | Spartapatate | morphyeys: you mean, disk devices? |
| 10:18.19 | Spartapatate | morphyeys: you should know based on your setup, it's the disk the BIOS is set to boot on |
| 10:18.27 | morphyeys | yes like /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 etc.. |
| 10:18.39 | Spartapatate | as i said, you don't install bootloaders to sdaX usually |
| 10:18.41 | Spartapatate | but to sda |
| 10:18.46 | Spartapatate | in the MBR |
| 10:18.52 | Spartapatate | so not on a partition |
| 10:18.59 | morphyeys | so how to do it |
| 10:19.02 | morphyeys | exactly |
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| 10:19.28 | Spartapatate | well, you're probably better off using the GUI function if there's such a feature in debian rescue |
| 10:19.50 | morphyeys | I am not sure if there's |
| 10:19.53 | Spartapatate | it probably auto-probes everything |
| 10:19.57 | Spartapatate | someone said there was one earlier |
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| 10:20.55 | morphyeys | don't I need just to type grub-install /dev/sda ? |
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| 10:21.03 | Spartapatate | morphyeys: from what i see on wiki, the Netinstall Rescue should have a "Reinstall GRUB bootloader" option |
| 10:21.03 | morphyeys | and then update-grub? |
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| 10:21.19 | morphyeys | but the graphical rescue or? |
| 10:21.25 | Spartapatate | morphyeys: well if you want to do it in CLI, you can do it that way yes |
| 10:21.35 | Spartapatate | might not even need to update-grub |
| 10:21.43 | morphyeys | okay brb to try it |
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| 10:23.26 | acu | how can I start and configure vino in jessie ? |
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| 10:27.47 | acu | !vino |
| 10:27.58 | acu | vino! |
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| 10:36.31 | ChrisH | acu: when I put configure vino debian into google I find pretty usefull hints. You might want to ask more detailed question. |
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| 10:48.16 | majest1c | http://serverfault.com/questions/425493/anonymizing-openvpn-allow-ssh-access-to-internal-server/444631#444631 I have pretty much the same problem and followed the answer I linked, I can connect to my server now but when I point the VPN IP-address I got from the VPN service on my server and uses that to forward my domain I still cannot get my domain to work |
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| 10:51.27 | GitGud | does "chmod 0700 *" hit the files and the directories or just the files? |
| 10:51.28 | majest1c | So basically Im pointing the IP-address I got from when connecting to the VPN service to my domain and I cannot connect to that domain, the same goes for that I cannot connect to my server with that IP via an SSH client |
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| 10:52.39 | GitGud | majest1c, do you know? does "chmod 0700 *" hit the files and the directories or just the files? |
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| 10:54.03 | vamps | GitGud: both |
| 10:54.33 | GitGud | vamps, so does that mean it hits the files inside the directories as well? |
| 10:54.54 | vamps | GitGud: no, if you want to do it recursively : chmod -R 0700 * |
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| 10:55.07 | majest1c | "ls *" lists all files except the directory files for me |
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| 10:55.46 | GitGud | vamps, um another question. i kinda went to my home folder like /home/GitGud/. and i kinda did chmod 0700 * as a root person. how would i reverse that? |
| 10:55.50 | GitGud | like what was the default |
| 10:56.08 | GitGud | 0755 ? |
| 10:56.13 | GitGud | it was an accident |
| 10:56.50 | vamps | GitGud: you probably want 0750 |
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| 10:57.28 | GitGud | so i go to /home/GitGud/ and then i do chmod 0750 * as a root user? correct? vamps |
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| 10:58.00 | vamps | GitGud: yeah, you can simply do "sudo chmod 0750 -R /home/GitGud" |
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| 10:58.23 | vamps | GitGud: if you did change the owner/group |
| 10:58.29 | vamps | didn't* |
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| 10:58.55 | GitGud | no vamps i dont think i did. i only sent that one command like chmod 0700 * in my /home/GitGud |
| 10:58.58 | GitGud | dir |
| 10:59.00 | vamps | GitGud: but some programs may need special permissions |
| 10:59.14 | GitGud | oh yes that is true |
| 10:59.29 | GitGud | what is 0750 ? |
| 11:00.00 | vamps | equivalent of 0750 is "-rwxr-x--" |
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| 11:00.39 | vamps | full access to owner, read/execution to group and no permissions to others |
| 11:01.39 | Lionyx | So i'm trying to set up an old machine (actually 3 trashed making 1 so so) as a server to play with remotely. SSH is ok, but if I wanted some Graphical SSH(ish)? VNC doesn't seem to be secure, i don't know... what do you think? |
| 11:01.48 | GitGud | oh okay vamps ty for your help |
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| 11:02.54 | zylinx | Lionyx: VNC can be secure, if you make it use certificates and tunnel it or something ? |
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| 11:04.09 | Lionyx | zylinx: I guess so. But maybe something a little bit more 'ready out of the box'? |
| 11:04.14 | arahael | just tunnel through ssh. vnc has ckeartext passwords |
| 11:04.26 | vamps | Lionyx: you can use ssh X11 forwarding with "ssh -X" |
| 11:04.36 | zylinx | ^ |
| 11:04.51 | zylinx | was going to mention X11 forwarding but i dont know much about it |
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| 11:05.16 | Lionyx | really vamps ?? wow. |
| 11:05.24 | vamps | it works well at least on local lan |
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| 11:05.40 | arahael | x11 forwardjng has awful latency these days unless you use nx destop |
| 11:05.46 | vamps | if you want remote access over a slow connection, VNC or RDP is your best bet |
| 11:05.55 | arahael | indeed |
| 11:06.05 | ewew | or text console. |
| 11:06.14 | arahael | with tmux |
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| 11:07.14 | Burps | Hello. I'm using backports for roundcube, but I would like to make sure that roundcube will be the only package retreived from backports : is that OK ? http://paste.debian.net/323717/ |
| 11:07.22 | Lionyx | my idea is not being all the time on X, only when i need to download a driver or something like it and i'm at my (jailed) work. |
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| 11:07.25 | Burps | Or should I specify something else ? |
| 11:08.11 | GitGud | vamps, another question. how would i check the file permission number of a particular file? |
| 11:08.41 | petn-randall | Burps: backports by default are already pinned very low, so you have to explicitely request a package from backport for it to be installed. |
| 11:08.42 | vamps | Lionyx: try xrdp/xvnc, launch via SSH it only when you need it |
| 11:08.47 | GitGud | ls -l ? |
| 11:08.57 | vamps | GitGud: yes |
| 11:08.58 | Burps | petn-randall, ok, thank you |
| 11:08.59 | Lionyx | vamps: arahael: do I have to enable something on the server? I tryed ssh -X ip, logged in tryed startx but it says i'm not authorized to run X |
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| 11:09.19 | GitGud | cool thanks |
| 11:09.35 | vamps | Lionyx: you can directly launch graphical applications with "ssh -X", just start "iceweasel" for example |
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| 11:10.16 | vamps | you don't need to start a new server X, it's gonna use the server on your local computer |
| 11:10.22 | arahael | Lionyx: yes, but it is easy to change in /etc/sshd_config |
| 11:10.34 | Lionyx | vamps: ooohhhh i started startxfce and xfce took over my kde here lol |
| 11:11.58 | vamps | Lionyx: if you want a full desktop with X11 forwarding if a remember well you have to use XDMCP |
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| 11:12.36 | Lionyx | arahael: vamps: guys, I read on ssh manual that -X has security issues, man in the middle can get keystrokes. :\ |
| 11:12.42 | GitGud | vamps, so this concept is a bit odd to me. if i do chmod 0700 * somewhere that sets the direct files and directories to 0700 mode but it does not set the files inside those directories to 0700 mode. is that correct? |
| 11:12.44 | Lionyx | I'll take notice of all that, tks! |
| 11:13.28 | vamps | GitGud: yes, this is correct |
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| 11:13.54 | GitGud | vamps, and writing to a "directory" would mean....changing the folder name? |
| 11:14.16 | GitGud | i mean im confused as to what else i could do with a directory |
| 11:14.18 | arahael | Lionyx: that surorises me, will check next tima i amm at a omputer! |
| 11:14.48 | GitGud | and u certainly cant execute a directory. but u can read whats in it. so whats the point of just a directory/folder being 0700 anyway |
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| 11:15.09 | vamps | Lionyx: this is not exactly what the manual say |
| 11:15.09 | Lionyx | GitGud: nope. it means you can write INTO the directory. as well as change the directory's name. am I right guys? |
| 11:15.32 | GitGud | not sure if you are being sarcastic with me tbh LOL |
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| 11:15.46 | GitGud | is nu to linux :) |
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| 11:16.29 | Lionyx | vamps: i guess not. reading it again. it meant it about users already logged in and with access to X. |
| 11:17.30 | acu | hey guys - does anyone know howto start vino (the default vnc server) in debian jessie ? |
| 11:18.41 | Scuttle | hm... is there a metapackage that'll install a minimal X? I don't need a bajillion little utilities and stuff, just X, a lightweight wm and maybe xterm... |
| 11:19.12 | Lionyx | GitGud: not a great helper too, but I meant it :) |
| 11:19.12 | Lionyx | GitGud: you can play with it testing permissions. If not used to chmod, open an X file manager, almost all of them have visual ways of setting permissions to files (right click and Properties), create a folder, text files and mess with them. |
| 11:19.44 | at0m | Scuttle: maybe look at fluxbox, and strip some recommends |
| 11:19.44 | GitGud | yeah i guess i could experiment with it |
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| 11:21.34 | Lionyx | acu tried /usr/lib/vino/vino-server ? |
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| 11:24.22 | Lionyx | Scuttle: when installing it (at least in text mode) at a PC this week, it asked for what X i wanted to use, you can also not choose anything and install what you want latter (i did it before with openbox). |
| 11:25.12 | Lionyx | later* |
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| 11:30.54 | GitGud | Lionyx, question about convention. what do /home/user/ files usually get as perms? |
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| 11:32.12 | dagerik | im getting rsyslog.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start. help |
| 11:32.12 | zetheroo | simple command to stress test memory? (fill up max amount of allocated RAM) |
| 11:33.12 | Lionyx | GitGud: depends on the distro. and this depends on something called user mask. (man umask for more details, but you MUST be already good with chmod first!). I guess that nowadays debian uses drwxr-xr-x for the home directory of a user and files inside it -rw-r--r-- |
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| 11:33.38 | GitGud | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.41 | GitGud | i'll check |
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| 11:34.18 | GitGud | Lionyx, mine is drwxr-x--- |
| 11:34.23 | GitGud | i mean is that secure? |
| 11:34.32 | Ticho | against what? |
| 11:34.40 | GitGud | ok.... |
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| 11:34.55 | GitGud | is it tighter than the drwxr-xr-x? |
| 11:35.01 | nyuszika7h | that means nobody else can read your files, since Debian has separate groups for each user by default rather than a "users" group |
| 11:35.04 | Lionyx | it means rwx (you, the user total access) r-x (for anybody that is in the same group as you) and --- (nothing for the world) |
| 11:35.16 | GitGud | sounds good then :) |
| 11:35.23 | nyuszika7h | if you add someone to the YOURUSERNAME group, they can read the files |
| 11:35.32 | GitGud | lol yeah |
| 11:35.33 | nyuszika7h | but you can restrict that per-filr |
| 11:35.35 | nyuszika7h | *file |
| 11:35.40 | GitGud | alright. thanks you guys :) |
| 11:35.54 | nyuszika7h | the x bit for a directory means being able to list the files in it, btw |
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| 11:36.38 | nyuszika7h | you can also check "umask -S", for me it's "u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx" |
| 11:37.28 | Ticho | nyuszika7h: actually, execute bit means you can "enter" the directory, iow make it your current working dir |
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| 11:49.54 | zetheroo | running a debian VM with an allocation of 24GB RAM - however it seems to no be able to access more than around 8GB |
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| 11:50.26 | zetheroo | I have been using the stress tool to test how much of the RAM I can fill up |
| 11:50.56 | zetheroo | like so: stress --vm 1 --vm-bytes 1024M |
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| 11:51.47 | zetheroo | increasing the number of instances until it errors out with http://paste.ubuntu.com/13111922/ |
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| 12:02.27 | jelly | zetheroo: which hypervisor? |
| 12:03.01 | zetheroo | nodes are using proxmox which uses kvm for the VM's |
| 12:03.14 | zetheroo | I think I found the issue ... but it was not an issue before |
| 12:04.09 | zetheroo | in proxmox you can set the memory as a fixed amount or as a range - as a fixed amount the memory is working properly |
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| 12:07.13 | zetheroo | in range mode the memory starts off as being 24GB usable by the VM but then over a few minutes falls gradually to 16GB and so on until it's down to around 8GB |
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| 12:16.09 | hstl | Hi all! How can i set flag "bios_grub" in unformatted partition? |
| 12:16.40 | hstl | I cannot understand how can i do it in gparted. There is no option in gparted to set a flag |
| 12:16.54 | hstl | Please, help |
| 12:17.10 | hstl | Maybe i can do it from "parted" |
| 12:17.15 | hstl | ? |
| 12:18.13 | hstl | Wow, i see it now! But my partition must be unformatted and "manage flags" work only with formatted |
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| 12:23.07 | hstl | I figured it out! Thank you! =D |
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| 12:37.19 | Ecco | Hi! |
| 12:37.30 | jesperj | Is it possible for a non root user to do the equivalent of "apt-get update" somehow? (Doesn't seem so when I try it). However a non root user can run "apt-get -s upgrade" without problems... I just want a non root user to get information about if there are system updates/upgrades available. |
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| 12:37.56 | Ecco | On a Debian 8 machine I need to run a given command (setpci) to configure the power-after-powerdown behavior. What would be the proper place to put this command? |
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| 12:40.01 | MaxLanar | hi, I forgot my root password. I rebooted with the init=/bin/bash grub trick, removed the 2nd field of the root line in /etc/shadow but that didn't work. What can I do next ? |
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| 12:40.45 | MaxLanar | (I don't have the 'passwd' command) |
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| 12:42.48 | Stummi | why don't you have the passwd command? |
| 12:43.07 | Stummi | MaxLanar, removing the second field means that this user cannot be logged in via password |
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| 12:46.29 | hstl | jesperj, why dont you use sudo? |
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| 12:52.13 | jesperj | hstl: I was looking for a way to avoid that too, but otherwise it was a good tip. |
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| 12:52.36 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 12:53.14 | ychaouche | need some opinion on which package to install for libdev-curl. Choices are : libcurl4-gnutls-dev, libcurl4-nss-dev, libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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| 12:56.43 | jelly | ychaouche: if you're not going to redistribute the resulting binaries, it doesn't matter from a licensing perspective |
| 12:57.20 | ychaouche | I need the library to compile the curl extension for my manual php installation, si anyone of these can do ? |
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| 12:57.36 | ychaouche | forgot to see what php.net encourages to use... |
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| 12:58.39 | jelly | probably openssl |
| 12:59.11 | ychaouche | which one is this one ? http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/ |
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| 12:59.32 | ychaouche | php.net site points to this website. |
| 12:59.36 | jelly | all of them are built from that same source |
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| 13:00.16 | ychaouche | oh ? |
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| 13:00.45 | themill | the debian package uses libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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| 13:01.11 | ychaouche | oh ok the only difference is where the SSL support is from then. |
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| 13:03.54 | ychaouche | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_TLS_implementations |
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| 13:27.50 | boser | hello. i try to instal the virtuel box on debian, but the installer tell my, that it is not there, in the repos. What is my mistake? |
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| 13:28.23 | bazhang | ,v virtualbox |
| 13:28.24 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u3; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates/contrib: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2; |
| 13:28.25 | judd | jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.4-dfsg-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 5.0.8-dfsg-1; stretch/contrib: 5.0.8-dfsg-1 |
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| 13:37.46 | boser | thx |
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| 13:45.21 | Guest44372 | hi |
| 13:45.41 | amcorreia | Any ideai why i have this weird screen? http://ctrlv.in/663781 |
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| 13:45.57 | amcorreia | I'm using debian 8 in ML310e gen8, is a freesh install |
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| 13:48.35 | Guest44372 | i'm new here. i'm using kali linux |
| 13:48.43 | jiggawattz | Guest44372 ➤ welcome |
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| 13:48.53 | Guest44372 | i'm learn yet. |
| 13:48.57 | jiggawattz | You won't get much support with Kali Linux here though |
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| 13:49.40 | petn-randall | !kali |
| 13:49.41 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 13:49.44 | petn-randall | Guest44372: ^^^^ |
| 13:50.14 | jelly | amcorreia: you wouldn't have ssh access into the machine would you? |
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| 13:51.14 | Guest44372 | no |
| 13:51.29 | amcorreia | jelly, I can't see ip address (using dhcp) |
| 13:52.07 | amcorreia | let me see if i can find |
| 13:52.10 | petn-randall | amcorreia: Is it connected via VGA? |
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| 13:54.06 | amcorreia | yes |
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| 13:56.34 | petn-randall | amcorreia: Can you try using a digital connector like DVI, HDMI or DisplayPort? I'm fairly sure it won't happen there. |
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| 13:57.49 | amcorreia | petn-randall, is a ML310e server |
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| 14:00.30 | amcorreia | jelly, i can't connect through ssh, maybe don't installed openssh-server |
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| 14:05.24 | amcorreia | this happen, just before i installed Gnome desktop...I installed before just text and worked perfectly.. |
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| 14:08.30 | km0201 | amcorreia, the new gnome desktop is the equivalent of a Linux virus, that's why.. :). (Actually, it's quite possible that installing gnome, disabled the ssh server) |
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| 14:09.11 | km0201 | amcorreia, whats the output of service ssh status? |
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| 14:11.17 | somiaj | I don't think installing gnome would disable the ssh server. Instaling an ssh server is not default in gnome, so you could do an install with gnome and the server won't be installed unless you explicity ask it to be at some point. |
| 14:11.25 | jelly | amcorreia: the desktop manager component starts X, which in turn makes the kernel load and try to initialize free drivers for the console that work in a graphical mode. If those drivers are not fresh enough, similar corruption can occur. |
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| 14:11.50 | jelly | amcorreia: boot in rescue mode, see if that gives you a clean view. Then install openssh-server. |
| 14:12.08 | jelly | (doesn't solve the problem but will make debugging a lot easier) |
| 14:12.52 | km0201 | somiaj, it shouldn't.. but i've had ssh disabled when installing software before. |
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| 14:14.13 | petn-randall | amcorreia: Oh, I see. Does grub look ok? If yes, you might be able to set some vga= on the kernel command line ot fix it. |
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| 14:15.30 | amcorreia | km0201, lol, I can see, very bad characters.. |
| 14:15.53 | km0201 | amcorreia, :) |
| 14:16.10 | amcorreia | jelly, ok, will reboot |
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| 14:17.15 | amcorreia | petn-randall, i'll try |
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| 14:20.16 | amcorreia | petn-randall, yes grub is fine |
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| 14:22.30 | km0201 | is the ssh service running? |
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| 14:22.37 | amcorreia | no |
| 14:22.40 | GarethTheGreat | wondering if anyone here has used debian on the intel edison |
| 14:22.47 | km0201 | amcorreia, well then start it |
| 14:22.59 | km0201 | service ssh start |
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| 14:23.10 | GarethTheGreat | i'm pondering manually updating to a newer version (ubilinux is still wheezy, which is dated these days) - anyone got any thoughts? |
| 14:23.29 | amcorreia | km0201, yup, i tryed, but i can't see result :( |
| 14:23.31 | km0201 | GarethTheGreat, other than it's not debian, so it's off toopic here |
| 14:23.52 | GarethTheGreat | km0201: well it is debian, only VERY slight modifications |
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| 14:24.02 | km0201 | no, it's not debian |
| 14:24.22 | GarethTheGreat | km0201: how so? |
| 14:24.38 | km0201 | because you didn't download it from debian.org? |
| 14:24.40 | blind | !derivative |
| 14:24.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 14:25.15 | GarethTheGreat | km0201: well, pretending that i never mentioned ubilinux, has anyone got thoughts on running a recent debian release on the intel edison? |
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| 14:25.34 | amcorreia | Yay, vga=792 solved. |
| 14:25.43 | km0201 | lol |
| 14:25.58 | km0201 | well, now you should be able to see if the server is running. |
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| 14:26.27 | GarethTheGreat | i'll need to patch the kernel for some of the hardware quirks, but is there likely anything in userland that could be a "gotcha"? |
| 14:26.32 | GarethTheGreat | especially for wifi+bluetooth support |
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| 14:27.11 | amcorreia | I'm seeing the headache each upgrade, i'll forgot to update grub.conf |
| 14:27.34 | jelly | amcorreia: silly question... if that's a server why install a _desktop_ environment like gnome |
| 14:28.01 | amcorreia | jelly i'm going to use this server as workstation...plenty of memory, cpu, and cheap ;) |
| 14:28.02 | GarethTheGreat | what i'm pondering doing is running debootstrap on an SD card and changing the U-Boot config to tell the kernel root is on the SD card instead of internal flash |
| 14:28.28 | jelly | ha |
| 14:28.43 | GarethTheGreat | so assuming the kernel drivers for wifi+bluetooth are good, is there anything else i should look out for? |
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| 14:29.26 | GarethTheGreat | km0201: ? |
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| 14:30.15 | adm001mi | hey all got a question... where can I find source (the command?) |
| 14:30.51 | madvlad | It should be a shell built-in |
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| 14:33.05 | jelly | adm001mi: "source" is a shell internal command, built in to bash or zsh or whatever shell you're using |
| 14:33.46 | jelly | (as long as it's a bourne-shell compatible one) |
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| 14:35.40 | adm001mi | jelly it's bash... can I run source in a systemd.service? |
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| 14:37.37 | jelly | adm001mi: a service unit definition is not a shell script. What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:38.29 | adm001mi | Jelly: I need to use PATH, which is in my .bashrc ... I need to load a script as a user |
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| 14:38.47 | adm001mi | and before I can run the script I need to run gem update bundler |
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| 14:40.11 | jelly | why not put all of that into a script and run that. |
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| 15:04.04 | tykayn-ubuntu1 | hey folks |
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| 15:04.45 | tykayn-ubuntu1 | does anybody know how to have data about what takes hard disk space in command line ? in an interactive way better than df |
| 15:04.57 | jhutchins | tykayn-ubuntu1: du |
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| 15:09.38 | baum | uhm, in etc/apt/sources i added "testing" options, however according to etc/os-release i'm running sid? how is that possible? |
| 15:10.04 | johnny_|_ | Hi, how can I install package without "following extra packages"? For example, I want to install squidguard but without squid3, squid3-common etc because I already have custom squid installed. |
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| 15:16.31 | DarsVaeda | hi trying to use samba to share with mac it works on my home folder but not with a custom set location |
| 15:16.37 | DarsVaeda | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a49bcdbe6df70c6951e6 |
| 15:16.42 | DarsVaeda | did I miss a setting? |
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| 15:17.14 | DarsVaeda | the folder shows up on the mac but I get an connection error |
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| 15:17.27 | DarsVaeda | unfortunately not saying much |
| 15:17.52 | jvdm | johnny_|_: look for `equivs-build` |
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| 15:18.21 | me-1 | hi...I just installed Debian .It is booting to command line even I selected desktop enviroment and utilities |
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| 15:18.25 | jvdm | johnny_|_: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html |
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| 15:21.51 | jelly | me-1: that usually means your graphic card is too new and not (well) supported with version of free drivers that come with that debian release. |
| 15:22.04 | jelly | me-1: show the complete output of: lspci -nn|grep VGA |
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| 15:30.59 | DarsVaeda | I found out I get access denied even locally, I changed the samba config to https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c11a649a1e960a447e70 |
| 15:31.14 | DarsVaeda | but even the user is added it only gives access denied |
| 15:31.24 | DarsVaeda | I checked the folder rights belong to the user |
| 15:31.45 | DarsVaeda | any idea? |
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| 15:36.19 | Ear_Pollution | I am attempting to install Debian onto a thinkpad 560 that has only a floppy drive to boot from. I fail because (from what I can determine) Etch was the last release to use floppy installs. During the install, after selecting the archive mirror, it offers "Jessie, Unstable, and Testing" but gives an error because of the gpg keys(this being an etch install). Is there a way to get any version of Debian on this machine? |
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| 15:38.55 | mutante | Ear_Pollution: i see you have a PCMCIA slot. i think you could put in adapter into that, to get USB |
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| 15:39.22 | jelly | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 15:40.48 | jelly | Ear_Pollution: get a 40+molex -> 44 pin IDE adapter, put the disk into a machine that can boot from cdrom or usb, install there and put the disk back |
| 15:40.57 | mutante | PXE boot over the internet? |
| 15:41.28 | jelly | assuming that disk is a 2.5" IDE disk. |
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| 15:42.02 | Ear_Pollution | mutante, cant PXE boot(rather I havent figured otu how) because the network card isnt recognized, debian has the drivers on the second network floppy though. |
| 15:42.10 | jelly | Ear_Pollution: probably go with debian 6 (squeeze) for that |
| 15:42.10 | Ear_Pollution | @Jelly, it is. |
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| 15:43.00 | jelly | it's an interesting exercise, but given that you can get a refurb Thinkpad X220 for $200 these days, not sure it's worth your time |
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| 15:44.05 | Ear_Pollution | agreed, but, i cant bring myself to throw it away. I love how debian prevents machines from going to the graveyard. |
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| 15:45.21 | mutante | Ear_Pollution: get one of these https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F414lH23yWUL.jpg&f=1 |
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| 15:45.24 | aliouii_ | hi all, i have some problem with gdb on debian 8 |
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| 15:49.55 | Ear_Pollution | Thanks :) Going to have a peek. |
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| 15:54.03 | transhuman | hi! I have an error not sure if its a debian certificate error or a chrome error. When I run chrome from the command line it outputs an error[26511:26542:1105/104624:ERROR:nss_util.cc(839)] After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018 (it works but makes me think ssl isnt working right) |
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| 15:55.32 | aliouii_ | and ctrl+z |
| 15:55.35 | aliouii_ | etc |
| 15:55.47 | transhuman | oh and it happens with both chorme and chrome-beta |
| 15:55.54 | transhuman | chorme/chrome |
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| 15:57.16 | transhuman | nah it comes and goes |
| 15:57.29 | transhuman | what is your issue exactly? |
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| 15:57.41 | transhuman | I didnt understand what you were saying |
| 15:58.04 | transhuman | what is gdp? |
| 15:58.13 | ws2k3 | are there any known issues with curl in php 5.4.45? my curl allways returns false |
| 15:58.20 | aliouii_ | debugger |
| 15:58.38 | transhuman | ah ok sorry not too much experience with that sort of thing |
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| 16:07.29 | transhuman | hi! I have an error not sure if its a debian certificate error or a chrome error. When I run chrome from the command line it outputs an error[26511:26542:1105/104624:ERROR:nss_util.cc(839)] After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018 (it works but makes me think ssl isn't working right) |
| 16:07.44 | transhuman | google turns up nothing |
| 16:08.27 | ws2k3 | are there any known issues with curl in php 5.4.45? my curl allways returns false |
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| 16:18.02 | P4 | Hello. Can I find easly debian mirror list of ISO files (looking for mirror for http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso because all I got from caesar.acc.umu.se on my 40Mbps link is 47KB/s -.-) because I all end up are repos mirrors |
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| 16:18.24 | thunkee | where does gnome shell looking for icons named in .desktop files? |
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| 16:20.00 | P4 | i believe netselect (which is not availabile in this bodhi/mint repos either) reflects the same apt repos mirror list and not installation images mirror list : |
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| 16:22.37 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 16:22.47 | P4 | hi |
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| 16:23.53 | marioxcc | I want to configure my system so that it has a keyboard mode that turns the keys ASDF into the arrows (A->up, S->down, D->left, F->right) when enabled, in exactly the same way that Caps lock works. |
| 16:23.56 | marioxcc | How can I do that? |
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| 16:26.31 | vamps | marioxcc: don't know if it's the best solution but you can remap key with "xmodmap" (you can to get the correct keycode with "xev") |
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| 16:27.18 | marioxcc | vamps: But I do not want to remap keys. |
| 16:27.21 | marioxcc | Only to add functionality to them. |
| 16:27.23 | ws2k3 | are there any known issues with curl in php 5.4.45? my curl allways returns false |
| 16:27.42 | vamps | marioxcc: you want to turn key into others, that is call remap |
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| 16:28.31 | marioxcc | vamps: Well, I am taking a look. |
| 16:28.35 | aliouii_ | ws2k3 : what do you mean by curl allways returns false |
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| 16:30.09 | aliouii_ | what function return false exactly ?? |
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| 16:32.00 | vamps | marioxcc: on my keyboard for example (code may differ) to turn "D" into "arrow_right" : xmodmap -e "keycode 40 = Right" |
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| 16:32.44 | vamps | marioxcc: you still need to find a way to disable/activate this behavior when you want to |
| 16:33.15 | marioxcc | vamps: Yes, exactly. That is why it does not solve the problem. |
| 16:33.56 | marioxcc | I want it to be like caps lock, when I press, say, super (windows key), ASDF turn into arrows, and when I press it again, they are back to the basic functionality. |
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| 16:34.29 | greycat | marioxcc: sounds like a question for #xorg |
| 16:35.06 | marioxcc | greycat: Ok, I will go there. |
| 16:35.07 | vamps | marioxcc: so simply configure a shortcut to launch your script with xmodmap |
| 16:35.30 | ewew | Did someone ran into situation when installing vbox causes to messup in xfce4 ? |
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| 16:36.17 | marioxcc | vamps: I get what you mean, but that seems a dirty hack. I suppose that there is a better way. I am asking in #xorg. |
| 16:36.25 | marioxcc | Thanks anyway :) |
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| 16:43.40 | aliouii_ | ws2k3 try curl_errno curl_error |
| 16:43.52 | aliouii_ | to find out what happen |
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| 16:49.10 | P4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:50.30 | pizzip | Is it possible to symlink a directory to a large external disk from the home folder? |
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| 16:51.03 | greycat | Sure. You can make symlinks almost anywhere. |
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| 16:51.29 | greycat | But if you wanted the external disk partition to be the entire /home file system, just mount it on /home instead. |
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| 16:53.57 | pizzip | I am total newb just fyi, so I have a good server running, but it uses a certain directory to store finished transmission torrents. I think there are a number of ways to solve this problem. |
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| 16:54.14 | P4 | ohyes ftp://ftp.vectranet.pl/mirror/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso is my go att ~700 MB/s |
| 16:54.19 | Akishona | hi guys! can someone tell me what is the name of the dhcp server package |
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| 16:54.52 | Akishona | i tried apt-get install isc-dhcp-server and apt-get install dhcp3-server and returns error |
| 16:55.05 | Akishona | debian 8 |
| 16:55.30 | mtn | Akishona, what error? that always helps |
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| 16:56.13 | Akishona | dhcp server |
| 16:56.28 | pizzip | 1. Move the whole home directory, to the external drive. 2. symlinks? 3. Change transmission to download to external drive and create FTP webpage to serve up after download. |
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| 16:56.58 | Akishona | mtn: E: unable to locate the package |
| 16:57.11 | Akishona | for both packages |
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| 16:57.22 | zykotick9 | Akishona: note, isc-dhcp-server _is_ a valid package. do you have any network mirrors enabled (did you install without network access?)? |
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| 16:58.11 | ghormoon | is it possible that ssh client says "debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory" even though the key exists? (works with other hosts) is it normal if it says that when the remote host doesn't accept it? |
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| 16:58.30 | pizzip | greycat Am I in the wrong channel? |
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| 16:58.43 | Akishona | zykotick9: i have network access. no i dont have network mirrors enables |
| 16:58.52 | Akishona | *enabled |
| 16:58.59 | pizzip | Is there a channel more suited to what I'm asking? |
| 16:59.07 | greycat | pizzip: what is the question exactly? |
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| 16:59.45 | Akishona | well i guess i will download from https://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ the packages |
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| 17:00.36 | pizzip | How to move /home/transmission/ to external drive while preserve permissions and directory location. |
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| 17:00.41 | Akishona | i cant figure out why i didnt found the package |
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| 17:01.23 | greycat | pizzip: what I would do it (1) partition the external disk; (2) mount the partition somewhere; (3) install rsync; (4) cd to the source directory; (5) rsync -av . /mounted/partition/ |
| 17:02.12 | greycat | (as root) |
| 17:03.02 | zykotick9 | !tell Akishona about sources.list |
| 17:03.30 | pizzip | zykotick09: agreed! |
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| 17:03.46 | jelly | pizzip: external disks hold a non-zero possibility of disconnecting and becoming inaccessible. Making a copy as greycat suggests instead of moving the whole directory may mean your long-running service can keep working in that case, it's jsut the rsync job that would fail |
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| 17:05.51 | ghormoon | jelly: internal disks have non-zero possibility of disconnecting too :P (though true it's much lower) |
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| 17:10.33 | pizzip | greycat: partition to ext4, now do I command line mount it and/or add to fstab? |
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| 17:11.29 | greycat | In the end, are you going to leave /home/transmissions as a symlink, or do you want it mounted there? |
| 17:11.29 | jelly | your choice. If fstab, consider adding "nofail" mount option |
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| 17:11.58 | greycat | If you want it mounted there (eventually) then there are some extra steps involved, but you have to start with it mounted somewhere else temporarily. |
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| 17:12.51 | greycat | If you're going to mount it on /home/transmissions, mount it manually, do the copy, unmount it, mv transmissions transmissions.old, mkdir transmissions, vi /etc/fstab, mount /home/transmissions |
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| 17:14.03 | greycat | If you're going to leave the symlink permanently, you can mount it in its "real" spot, in which case you can do it through fstab. |
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| 17:19.09 | Jan\ | !man su |
| 17:19.09 | dpkg | man su is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/su where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
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| 17:21.22 | pizzip | greycat: the contents of /home/transmission/ are now in /mnt/externhd/, should I use symlink or the other way? |
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| 17:21.53 | pizzip | done (as root) |
| 17:22.41 | greycat | It's your choice. |
| 17:22.54 | greycat | If it were me, I would mount it on /home/transmission |
| 17:23.49 | amcorreia | anyone knows a way to do a proxy for ssh? (before was using apache, but in 2.4 version is not working) |
| 17:23.54 | pizzip | So just umount it and mount it there? |
| 17:24.07 | pizzip | I'll figure out fstab later... |
| 17:24.16 | greycat | unmount it, cd out of /home/transmission, mv /home/transmission to some other name, mkdir /home/transmission, THEN mount it there |
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| 17:24.46 | greycat | if you just drop it on the old /home/transmission all the files inside the old directory will still be taking up space in /home (or /) but you won't be able to see them... |
| 17:24.52 | jelly | well... cd out of it before umounting |
| 17:25.07 | jelly | can't read |
| 17:25.08 | greycat | I'm assuming he's cd'ed into /home/transmission not /mnt/externhd |
| 17:25.52 | greycat | In general, make sure there are no processes sitting in either place. |
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| 17:26.51 | teraflops | pizzip: imo bind mounts > symlinks |
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| 17:27.17 | pizzip | Thanks! |
| 17:27.22 | pizzip | So mount. |
| 17:27.25 | jelly | teraflops: surely, real mounts > bind mounts |
| 17:27.42 | greycat | I don't know the details of bind mounts. That may be a third option. |
| 17:27.57 | teraflops | jelly: right |
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| 17:29.05 | greycat | Also, the reason I prefer to edit /etc/fstab and mount it that way ASAP is to make sure the fstab entry is *correct* and will work next time I boot. No nasty surprises. |
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| 17:29.38 | jelly | you just like to mount all. |
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| 17:32.02 | zylinx | does /etc/rc.local execute on boot by default on debina jessie ? |
| 17:32.06 | greycat | yes |
| 17:32.18 | zylinx | mine doesnt seem to be working :/ |
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| 17:32.32 | greycat | make sure you put your stuff ABOVE the exit 0 line, not after it. Or just remove the exit 0. |
| 17:32.40 | zylinx | yeah i did that |
| 17:32.52 | zylinx | and i made sure its executable |
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| 17:33.02 | zylinx | and it has a shebang line |
| 17:33.11 | jelly | systemctl status rc.local |
| 17:33.15 | jelly | says what? |
| 17:33.37 | zylinx | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LLyiDVH3/ |
| 17:33.50 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.59 | greycat | ah, the raw version link works |
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| 17:34.23 | NikLP | yo. I have just updated to jessie. I'm having a couple of issues with php. 1) Uploadprogress is installed, but can't be enabled. So I'm guessing it's looking in the wrong directory. 2) I now have config for apc AND opcache. Both of these things lead me to believe that I might be best to completely remove all php from the system and reinstall 5.6. I hope I'm wrong, can anyone advise so I can clean up the cruf |
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| 17:34.29 | NikLP | t and have these things working? |
| 17:35.03 | jelly | zylinx: says it exited with status 1. Is the file executable? |
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| 17:35.14 | greycat | I'm betting something inside it tripped the stupid -e |
| 17:35.40 | zylinx | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 364 Nov 5 18:09 rc.local |
| 17:36.20 | zylinx | jelly, greycat https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mlA68DWv/rc.local |
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| 17:37.33 | greycat | Your numlockx command probably failed. Maybe it has to run after the console has been turned over to getty, or maybe you need to specify </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 17:38.25 | zylinx | ahh hmmm, not sure how to do that |
| 17:38.34 | greycat | First, find out why it's failng. |
| 17:38.57 | zylinx | if i execute rc.local now(while system is running) it works perfect |
| 17:39.05 | zylinx | so its being executed too early ? |
| 17:39.10 | pizzip | Ok super great thanks greycat jelly teraflops, I will test it now. |
| 17:39.13 | blind | I call numlockx from my .xinitrc |
| 17:39.23 | greycat | Oh, is numlockx an *X* program?! |
| 17:39.28 | blind | yes. |
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| 17:39.32 | greycat | *facepalm* |
| 17:39.36 | zylinx | :s |
| 17:39.41 | zylinx | clueless |
| 17:40.01 | zylinx | ok thanks blink, can i just copy paste that same command ? |
| 17:40.08 | zylinx | into .xinitrc |
| 17:40.15 | zylinx | blind * |
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| 17:41.15 | greycat | zylinx: at this point you have to know how you're starting X, and what dot file to edit for that method. |
| 17:41.18 | zylinx | btw what is the issue with it being an X program? does that mean it needs X server to be running and rc.local executes before X ? |
| 17:41.25 | greycat | correct |
| 17:41.32 | zylinx | ok sweet |
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| 17:45.46 | rampageripper | anything wring here? http://paste.debian.net/324203/ |
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| 17:46.00 | zylinx | greycat: do you know how Jessie usually starts X ? |
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| 17:49.18 | rampageripper | Is anything wrong here? http://paste.debian.net/324203/ |
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| 17:50.58 | teraflops | zylinx: in debian you do not usually need a .xinitrc file, since debian relies on the alternatives system |
| 17:51.23 | zylinx | i see |
| 17:51.44 | zylinx | can i put the command in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ? |
| 17:51.59 | teraflops | zylinx: ^ |
| 17:52.20 | teraflops | zylinx: do you use a login manager? |
| 17:52.39 | zylinx | im not even sure, im using debian jessie with Gnome |
| 17:52.52 | zylinx | i do have a login screen when my laptop starts |
| 17:53.07 | teraflops | do yo see a GUI asking for user & passwd before gnme starts? |
| 17:53.20 | zylinx | yes |
| 17:53.24 | teraflops | zylinx: then put your stuff in ~/.xprofile |
| 17:53.32 | zylinx | not sure if its before gnome starts |
| 17:53.34 | zylinx | ok |
| 17:53.39 | zylinx | thanks! |
| 17:53.43 | teraflops | yw |
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| 17:54.54 | teraflops | zylinx: I say .xprofile since I guess youre either on gdm3 or lightdm |
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| 17:55.05 | teraflops | the sane ones ... |
| 17:55.14 | pizzip | greycat: I am trying to do fstab now... this is what I got so far "/dev/sde1 /home/transmission ext4". the folder "transmission" has special ownership and group properties and chmod 750. Will these settings be preserved automatically or will I need to have special fstab? |
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| 17:59.44 | zylinx | teraflops: i dont seem to have a .xprofile, should i create one ? does it need a shebang line ? |
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| 18:00.21 | teraflops | zylinx: go ahead and create one in ~/ aka /home/yourusername |
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| 18:00.40 | zylinx | ok |
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| 18:01.56 | dtatulea | howdy, quick question: I have installed a different kernel in jessie but I don't know how to convince grub to pick that one up. Tried changing the default index number but with no success. |
| 18:02.09 | dtatulea | Any other way to go about this? |
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| 18:05.04 | zylinx | teraflops: almost :) after i login my numlock turns on for a split second then as soon as gnome starts appearing it turns off again ;( |
| 18:05.19 | AvatarA | dtatulea, how did you install the kernel? |
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| 18:05.58 | teraflops | zylinx: then do whatever you want in gnome directly |
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| 18:08.36 | teraflops | zylinx: btw, what are you trying to do? |
| 18:08.46 | dtatulea | AvatarA: from a repo that is jessie compatible (it's the multipath tcp kernel). |
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| 18:09.00 | zylinx | teraflops: im trying to have numlock switched on by default lol |
| 18:09.02 | zylinx | thats all |
| 18:09.33 | AvatarA | I have a very low trust in 3rd party repos |
| 18:09.39 | dtatulea | AvatarA: It's just that I want to set it to boot in this kernel which is 3.14 not the latest one shipped by jessie 3.16. And I want to do it programatically. |
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| 18:09.43 | AvatarA | I just copied the kernel from the debian repositories |
| 18:09.48 | teraflops | zylinx: hmm |
| 18:10.01 | AvatarA | update-initramfs and update-grub |
| 18:10.24 | zylinx | i read that x windows re initializes the keyboard so it needs to be done after that. |
| 18:10.43 | dtatulea | AvatarA: Did that. But it still defaults to the latest version which comes from jessie. |
| 18:10.46 | zylinx | but .xprofiles does execute after X. |
| 18:10.49 | greycat | that's why you would normally do it in your personal X session dot file, whatever that may be for whatever method you use to start X |
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| 18:11.00 | AvatarA | can't you delete the jessie kernel? |
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| 18:11.46 | zylinx | greycat: is .xprofile not a personal X session dot file ? |
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| 18:11.51 | dtatulea | AvatarA: Tried to change the default menuentry to the desired index in /etc/defaults/grub, but it still boots the first one. |
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| 18:12.07 | transhuman_ | hi! I have an error not sure if its a debian certificate error or a chrome error. When I run chrome from the command line it outputs an error[26511:26542:1105/104624:ERROR:nss_util.cc(839)] After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018 (it works but makes me think ssl isn't working right) |
| 18:12.35 | AvatarA | after you changed /etc/default/grub did you update-grub? |
| 18:12.36 | greycat | zylinx: I have no idea. I have never heard of that one, but that doesn't mean anything with the recent proliferation of X login managers. |
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| 18:12.48 | greycat | zylinx: HOW do you start X? |
| 18:13.36 | zylinx | greycat: i dont know how, i am using debian with gnome out of the box |
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| 18:13.52 | greycat | Then you're using gdm3 most likely. So it's probably ~/.gnomerc that you want. Unless that changed. |
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| 18:14.17 | foul_owl | Hi folks, getting: "libavdevice-dev : Depends: libavformat-dev (= 6:11.4-1~deb8u1) but 10:2.6.4-dmo1 is to be installed" |
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| 18:14.23 | zylinx | ok thanks! il try there |
| 18:14.27 | foul_owl | Trying to install libavdevice-dev |
| 18:14.31 | randomuser123 | how do i get iceweasel to support mp4? |
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| 18:14.53 | teraflops | zylinx: do you have a /etc/gdm/Init/Default file? |
| 18:15.31 | zylinx | teraflops: i have one in grm3* |
| 18:15.38 | zylinx | gdm |
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| 18:15.50 | AvatarA | foul_owl, sounds like you are using a mixed distro |
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| 18:15.59 | foul_owl | AvatarA: using debian 8 only |
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| 18:16.10 | foul_owl | At least, that is my intention o_O |
| 18:16.39 | algun | Did anyone manage to compile Objective C 2 programs only installing from packages? |
| 18:17.16 | teraflops | zylinx: then install numlockx and in that Default file add http://ix.io/lUO |
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| 18:17.44 | greycat | I'm not convinced that it's best to do it at the root level instead of the individual level. |
| 18:17.51 | AvatarA | foul_owl, what does "apt-cache policy libavformat-dev" say? |
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| 18:20.26 | Thinkey | hey i'm running debian jessie in vmware player and I would like to adjust my screen size to bigger than the default. can anyone help me with this? |
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| 18:22.05 | foul_owl | https://gist.github.com/foulowl/33d0cf683160a8e132d2 |
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| 18:22.37 | pofffs | anyone know of a skype alternative that preferably is open source and works on linux? i need to make international calls for cheap. |
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| 18:24.36 | zylinx | greycat: ~/.gnomerc doesnt seem to work |
| 18:24.51 | algun | Thinkey: try vmware settings? |
| 18:24.58 | AvatarA | foul_owl, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list too |
| 18:25.01 | Thinkey | i've looked it isn't there |
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| 18:25.05 | Thinkey | i also don't have a xconf |
| 18:25.15 | algun | Thinkey: what isn't there? |
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| 18:25.21 | Thinkey | the xorg.conf |
| 18:25.36 | algun | xorg.conf is a file |
| 18:25.39 | Thinkey | yeah |
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| 18:25.46 | Thinkey | and it doesnt exist. |
| 18:25.48 | algun | i'm telling you to look into vmware settings |
| 18:25.55 | Thinkey | its not in the vmware settings |
| 18:26.00 | algun | xorg.conf are X settings |
| 18:26.06 | algun | it's not supposed to be |
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| 18:26.38 | algun | it's like saying the kernel is not in vmware's bin directory |
| 18:26.39 | Thinkey | there is nothing in the vmware settings that speaks to this |
| 18:26.43 | Thinkey | not resolution |
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| 18:27.06 | Thinkey | set to use host setting for monitors |
| 18:27.16 | algun | oh |
| 18:27.31 | algun | Thinkey: are you booting into gnome? |
| 18:27.33 | Thinkey | yes |
| 18:27.37 | Thinkey | sorry for the wrong one there |
| 18:27.42 | ratrace | pofffs: calls to a phone, not an IM app? |
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| 18:27.50 | pofffs | ratrace, correct. |
| 18:28.05 | algun | pofffs: tough chance. |
| 18:28.12 | Thinkey | im in gnome |
| 18:28.26 | ratrace | pofffs: sorry, no idea. |
| 18:28.39 | algun | Thinkey: the virtual pc is running it you mean? |
| 18:28.44 | Thinkey | yes |
| 18:29.14 | algun | and you're not offered any greater resolutions, you've checked? |
| 18:29.15 | foul_owl | https://gist.github.com/foulowl/6606b42df9f25356e6dc |
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| 18:29.27 | algun | in the settings panel |
| 18:29.33 | Thinkey | i don't know how to check |
| 18:29.36 | ratrace | pofffs: maybe whatsapp |
| 18:29.56 | Thinkey | second i think i foudn it |
| 18:30.12 | AvatarA | yeah it's kind of a mixed distro foul_owl |
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| 18:30.41 | AvatarA | in this case I think the deb-multimedia is causing the conflict for your package |
| 18:30.58 | AvatarA | debian repos have no 10:2.6.4-dmo1 so it must be from there |
| 18:30.58 | Thinkey | yay! |
| 18:31.12 | algun | Thinkey: heh |
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| 18:31.33 | foul_owl | Hmm ok gotcha |
| 18:31.34 | Thinkey | so simple sometimes |
| 18:31.48 | Thinkey | think you can help me with a shh problem? i think its my client tho |
| 18:31.56 | foul_owl | I was recommended to use deb-multimedia at some point but I don't remember why |
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| 18:32.06 | pofffs | i'm going to try Ekiga |
| 18:32.07 | foul_owl | Should I ditch all packages from there? |
| 18:32.12 | algun | Thinkey: pm me |
| 18:32.36 | algun | pofffs: that won't call landlines |
| 18:32.37 | AvatarA | just edit your sources.list |
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| 18:32.45 | AvatarA | and drop those lines |
| 18:33.00 | AvatarA | then apt-get update and those packages will show as Obsolete in aptitude |
| 18:33.02 | pofffs | algun, " Audio (and video) calls to landlines and cell phones with support to the cheapest service providers " |
| 18:33.06 | pofffs | dunno what that means, algun |
| 18:33.07 | algun | pofffs: afaik. you need a gateway or something. not familiar with VoIP |
| 18:33.26 | algun | hmm |
| 18:33.34 | algun | pofffs: best of luck my man |
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| 18:33.46 | AvatarA | but I don't know, it all depends on the web of dependencies you created on your machine with the packages you've installed and from where |
| 18:33.50 | greycat | Wow. I google searched "gdm3 personal dot file". First link is "Eradicating GNOME3." Fourth link is "Has modern Linux lots its way?" |
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| 18:33.58 | greycat | lost* |
| 18:34.09 | foul_owl | Hmm. Before I do that, how do I list all packages that have been installed from that repo? |
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| 18:34.18 | algun | greycat: i used to be a g3 skeptic few years ago as well |
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| 18:34.43 | greycat | I don't use it. I just want to know what dot file it uses so I can answer zylinx's question. |
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| 18:35.14 | somiaj | foul_owl: look at aptitude search, it can search for packages in a very detailed way. http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html |
| 18:35.31 | somiaj | greycat: are you sure it uses one? I thought gdm3 was controled by the system (not the user). |
| 18:35.47 | zykotick9 | !tell foul_owl about dmm list |
| 18:35.57 | greycat | somiaj: if that's true, that would be an incredibly good reason to nuke it from orbit. |
| 18:36.02 | AvatarA | foul_owl, I don't know, maybe some aptitude search pattern should work, see google |
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| 18:36.36 | somiaj | greycat: well display managers don't run as a user, they run as root. So I'm unsure why a users systemfile in $HOME would have any effect on a root process. |
| 18:36.44 | zylinx | greycat: i got it working, .gnomerc is very strict, not allowed to have leading envar settings etc. |
| 18:37.02 | AvatarA | but in any case, editing sources.list and then apt-get update cannot hurt, it won't uninstall anything without asking first and you can go back to your previous sources.list if it looks too scary :) |
| 18:37.05 | zylinx | greycat: except its not working! now the numlock button flashes for like 50ms |
| 18:37.35 | greycat | somiaj: The goal is to run a program as the user once X is going. |
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| 18:37.53 | zylinx | so something immediately after .gnomerc is reinitializing my keyboard |
| 18:37.54 | greycat | somiaj: it sounds like ~/.gnomerc is still used, but I don't know the answer to question #2. |
| 18:38.00 | AvatarA | after the apt-get update, type "aptitude" and see what you have in Obsolete and Locally Created Packages |
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| 18:38.22 | somiaj | greycat: yea I missed the actual question. But I think the answer is gdm3 isn't what needs to be configured but the actual desktop/wm/.xsession that is loaded. |
| 18:38.32 | AvatarA | and any dependency problems or whatever it may tell you, aptitude is very informative :) |
| 18:38.39 | greycat | somiaj: then tell us how to do that |
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| 18:39.33 | algun | So how about that Objective C v2 via debian packages? |
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| 18:40.17 | zylinx | somiaj i want to have numlock on by default when i boot my laptop. i am using debian jessie w/ gdm3. i have numlockx installed but i need to find a place to run it, i have tried rc.local, .xprofile, .gnomerc all of which execute it too early as some party of setup is turning off numlock (probably by resetting the keyboard) |
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| 18:40.36 | zylinx | part* |
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| 18:40.51 | foul_owl | Thanks everyone! |
| 18:40.57 | AvatarA | zylinx, gnome tweak tool and add it to autostart |
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| 18:41.04 | greycat | well, I'm 100% sure rc.local is wrong |
| 18:41.04 | foul_owl | BTW, is aptitude preferred over apt? |
| 18:41.13 | greycat | foul_owl: it's personal opinion |
| 18:41.24 | algun | foul_owl: i don't know, is it? |
| 18:41.37 | L0Lfunny | is hilarious and brings many free lulz to boring channels like this one |
| 18:41.55 | AvatarA | foul_owl, it's a matter of preference mostly |
| 18:41.57 | foul_owl | Gotcha |
| 18:41.59 | foul_owl | Thanks! |
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| 18:42.22 | somiaj | zylinx: I don't have gnome3 or gdm3 installed to check this, but the arch wiki says you need to add it to /etc/gdm/Init/Default (do you have that file)? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Activating_Numlock_on_Bootup#GDM |
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| 18:42.55 | somiaj | zylinx: if you want it to start up with gnome just like any other service, I would just create a .desktop file that launches that program in the autorun directory somehwere inside .gnome or .gnome3 (I would have to look up the details for that). |
| 18:43.01 | zylinx | somiaj: i do, and that is what teraflops recommended, but i agree with greycat i want to keep this at the user run level |
| 18:43.15 | zylinx | as of, a few minutes ago |
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| 18:43.45 | somiaj | zylinx: then it won't effect gdm3, but you can just add it to your programs that are run when you log into gnome. Again I'm unfamilar with gnome, but I think you use a .desktop file in a paticular location. One second. |
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| 18:44.12 | greycat | Also, why is it utterly impossible to find out HOW to do this with gnome/gdm3? |
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| 18:44.52 | rubidio | Hi how can I add repositories to apt from the command line? |
| 18:44.54 | somiaj | zylinx: looks like it is ~/.config/autostart/, the desktop files there will be run on startup by gnome (and other desktops). So that is where I would put it. (Again I'm unsure about gnome so not positive) |
| 18:45.01 | rubidio | like the add-apt-repostiroy from ubuntu |
| 18:45.18 | somiaj | rubidio: you don't want to add ubuntu repos to debian. That is a good way to cause problems. |
| 18:45.25 | zylinx | greycat: want to see something funny, when researching .gnomerc (nothing to do with numlockx) i found this http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/x/general/xwin08-GnomeStartup/single/ notice the first example command xD |
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| 18:45.33 | L0Lfunny | The funny lulz are beginning |
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| 18:45.50 | L0Lfunny | Welcome to the Apocalypse of My Fart |
| 18:46.07 | rubidio | somiaj: dont want to do that... I want to add debian repositories from command line... just like ubuntu does with the add-apt-repository |
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| 18:46.31 | rubidio | somiaj: but nevermind... i think an echo "" >> sources will do |
| 18:46.34 | somiaj | zylinx: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37957/how-do-i-manage-applications-on-startup-in-gnome-3 -- I would try one of these suggestion. Seems the one is to use ~/.config/autostart with a desktop file (They have an example there) or look slike you can also use the gnome-twea-tool for this |
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| 18:46.58 | zylinx | awesome! thanks somiaj |
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| 18:47.31 | somiaj | rubidio: yea just modify the soruces.list or put a file in /etc/sources.list.d/ with the repo. Usually one dones't need more than the default debian mirrors. But yes at times if you want additional repos that is where to add them. (you should also not mix debian repos, such as jessie and testign can cause problems) |
| 18:47.34 | awer_ | i have about 50 .tar files that i suspect are all parts of one group of files. how do i extract them together? |
| 18:47.43 | somiaj | rubidio: arg, it is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 18:47.45 | greycat | you can only extract one at at time |
| 18:48.03 | greycat | for f in *.tar; do tar xf "$f"; done # would extract them all in the current directory |
| 18:48.08 | awer_ | greycat: ok but how do i tell tar that they are part of a group of files? |
| 18:48.20 | awer_ | ok thanks ill try that |
| 18:48.26 | rubidio | somiaj: thanks for the info :D |
| 18:48.29 | greycat | That question doesn't mean anything. Inside the tar archive there are pathnames. That's where the files will extract to. |
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| 18:49.40 | awer_ | ok, i've ran your sccript and get the response "tar: Cannot connect to archive_031115,01: resolve failed" |
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| 18:49.49 | awer_ | this is for every file over and over again |
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| 18:49.56 | greycat | um... what? |
| 18:49.59 | foul_owl | Ok, so I'm trying to remove the packages that were installed from deb multimedia, but now I'm heading into dependency hell |
| 18:50.12 | foul_owl | It's trying to remove crucial applications for me like audacity |
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| 18:50.22 | jelly | ,v audacity |
| 18:50.23 | judd | Package: audacity on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.12-6; wheezy: 2.0.1-1; jessie: 2.0.6-2; sid: 2.0.6-2+b3; stretch: 2.0.6-2+b3; sid-multimedia: 1:2.1.1-dmo4 |
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| 18:50.43 | jelly | foul_owl: let it remove, then install it back later |
| 18:50.51 | algun | ,u jelly? |
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| 18:50.53 | greycat | "If the archive file name includes a colon (\u2018:\u2019), then it is assumed to be a file on another machine" |
| 18:50.57 | greycat | oh good gods |
| 18:51.01 | L0Lfunny | ZOMBIES! OH NO, MY FART HAS TRIGGERED THE APOCALYPSE! |
| 18:51.05 | AnotherFartZombi | must... |
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| 18:51.08 | AnotherFartZombi | eat... |
| 18:51.09 | teraflops | Heh |
| 18:51.11 | AnotherFartZombi | beans... |
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| 18:51.14 | awer_ | greycat: when i run that script the output to bash is the same contiuousl scrolling down th escreen |
| 18:51.28 | greycat | awer_: for f in *.tar; do tar xf "$f" --force-local; done |
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| 18:52.04 | FartZombies | Must.. |
| 18:52.06 | FartZombies | have... |
| 18:52.08 | FartZombies | more... |
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| 18:52.11 | FartZombies | BEANS! |
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| 18:52.15 | algun | jelly used so much forced he blacked out for a sec |
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| 18:52.18 | el_inventor | Hi |
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| 18:52.38 | ewew | pesky spam bots :P |
| 18:52.42 | awer_ | greycat: thanks again, i;ve ran that and now it doesnt look to be tar files at all! is ther a way of checking the integrity of the files? "tar: This does not look like a tar archive" |
| 18:52.48 | el_inventor | I need help with nginx and naxsi |
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| 18:53.02 | el_inventor | somebody know? |
| 18:53.21 | awer_ | greycat: i'm running a pentest and pulled these files from a box so im trying to see what they are hence why i dont know much about them |
| 18:53.23 | greycat | awer_: I'd start with file(1)... if you think it's a corrupted tar archive, read tar(1) and look for options to test/verify/whatever |
| 18:53.25 | foul_owl | Here is the list of packages it's trying to remove: https://gist.github.com/foulowl/65e7ed9bc6b74cbf1f64 |
| 18:53.37 | foul_owl | How do I know that's not going to break my system? |
| 18:54.00 | el_inventor | somebody know something about that? |
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| 18:54.06 | greycat | !ask |
| 18:54.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:56.30 | el_inventor | I have that to configure naxsi in a nginx that is already installed, but i dont know how do that |
| 18:56.41 | Iridos | foul_owl, depends on your definition of "break", I guess... it's trying to remove gnome-core... |
| 18:56.56 | somiaj | zylinx: hopefully that does what you need. (: |
| 18:57.10 | greycat | "apt-cache search naxsi" returns nothing at all. I have no idea what that even is. |
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| 18:58.10 | Iridos | "NAXSI is an open-source, high performance, low rules maintenance WAF for NGINX" |
| 18:58.13 | Iridos | what's a WAF |
| 18:58.25 | greycat | no idea |
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| 18:58.35 | el_inventor | naxsi is a firewall like mod_security of apache but for nginx |
| 18:58.46 | ratrace | Web Application Firewall |
| 18:58.49 | el_inventor | yes |
| 18:58.49 | ratrace | it's mod_security fo nginx |
| 18:58.51 | greycat | Maybe you should ask #nginx |
| 18:58.54 | Iridos | this is like the Sunday crossword :) |
| 18:59.00 | rampageripper | dpkg: sources.list |
| 18:59.00 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 18:59.30 | somiaj | el_inventor: this may be a part of teh ngnix-extras package. Not sure though. But that is where I would look. If this isn't the case, not sure what advise would be next. |
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| 18:59.40 | el_inventor | no one in this channel |
| 18:59.51 | greycat | If it's not included in Debian at all, then #nginx would probably be a better bet. |
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| 19:01.11 | el_inventor | well, the documentation does not say that is installed naxsi |
| 19:01.48 | darkblue_b | hi all - I am researching a binary signing system for OSGeo.org .. is there a succinct description of the organizational process that results in the PGP signature in a .dsc file ? |
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| 19:03.20 | somiaj | el_inventor: apt-cache show nginx-extras (that will list the modules that debian provides for you. If that module is not in the list I would ask #nginx the best way to go about getting and installing it). |
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| 19:03.41 | somiaj | I didn't see it in the list, so I think that is what you are going to need to do. |
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| 19:04.47 | owkword | i'm looking for a really simple mail fetcher. something that connects to a pop3 server, fetches all new mail, dumps it in a maildir, then exits. is there anything like that in debian? |
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| 19:05.14 | greycat | ,i fetchmail |
| 19:05.16 | judd | Package fetchmail (mail, optional) in jessie/amd64: SSL enabled POP3, APOP, IMAP mail gatherer/forwarder. Version: 6.3.26-1+b1; Size: 624.1k; Installed: 2286k; Homepage: http://www.fetchmail.info; ITA: #800750 |
| 19:05.47 | ratrace | el_inventor: there's nginx-naxsi for Wheezy, but it has been dropped on Jessie due to no interest from maintainers: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746199 |
| 19:05.48 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/746199 in src:nginx (closed, pending): «Outdated naxsi version, incorrect learning tools included in packages»; severity: important; opened: 2014-04-27; last modified: 2014-11-28. |
| 19:06.13 | ratrace | el_inventor: your best bet is to install nginx from source deb and enable the module |
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| 19:06.52 | el_inventor | in the channel "#nginx" no person, I'm there now |
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| 19:07.04 | greycat | there are 865 nicks in #nginx |
| 19:07.11 | greycat | according to /list |
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| 19:07.56 | el_inventor | but the server is already installed and working u_u |
| 19:08.28 | ratrace | el_inventor: so, uh, what's the problem? |
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| 19:08.35 | ewew | el_inventor Are you sure you typed the right room ? "/join #nginx" |
| 19:08.40 | owkword | greycat: fetchmail seems a bit complicated for what i want, and i can't see anything about maildir support. it says that it forwards mail to a local mta. |
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| 19:08.47 | greycat | Maybe his problem is that the channel modes on #nginx prohibit him actually getting in? No idea. |
| 19:09.05 | ratrace | (I mean the nginx-naxsi issue, if it's installed and working....) |
| 19:09.07 | grondilu | for some reason when I ssh into my debian system, ~/.profile is not executed. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:09.13 | el_inventor | oh, sorry, I was in "# nginx-social" |
| 19:09.14 | el_inventor | xD |
| 19:09.24 | grondilu | (and neither is .bashrc) |
| 19:09.26 | greycat | grondilu: it's only used by terminal logins and ssh logins, NOT by GUI logins |
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| 19:09.55 | somiaj | owkword: correct. so configure your local mta to use maildir support. You most likely already have one (exim) installed. |
| 19:09.56 | greycat | grondilu: oh, you did say ssh. Well. Are you doing "ssh user@host" or are you doing "ssh user@host some command"? Huge, huge difference. |
| 19:10.17 | grondilu | I do just ssh user@host |
| 19:10.39 | owkword | that's a lot of moving parts for just getting messages from a server into a maildir. |
| 19:10.44 | greycat | grondilu: is your shell bash/ksh/sh on the remote host, or is it csh/tcsh, or zsh, or something even more bizarre? |
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| 19:11.18 | grondilu | it's all bash |
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| 19:11.25 | grondilu | I only use bash |
| 19:11.34 | grondilu | wait |
| 19:11.37 | ratrace | owkword: fetchmail is what you need |
| 19:11.41 | greycat | Then bash should be looking for ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login or ~/.profile in roughly that order |
| 19:12.14 | grondilu | I'm actually not sure ssh uses bash and not sh |
| 19:12.25 | greycat | It uses your user account's default shell. |
| 19:12.52 | greycat | ssh in and then run "ps -p $$" or "getent passwd $LOGNAME" |
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| 19:14.00 | grondilu | ran ps -p $$ and got confirmation it's running bash |
| 19:14.13 | greycat | maybe it found ~/.bash_profile first |
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| 19:14.40 | grondilu | oh you're right |
| 19:14.46 | grondilu | there is a .bash_profile |
| 19:15.07 | darkblue_b | regarding .dsc file PGP signatures, a corresponding wiki page from Fedora is here ? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Projects/SigningServer |
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| 19:18.44 | rampageripper | dpkg: sources.list |
| 19:18.44 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:18.56 | greycat | rampageripper: you can /msg dpkg |
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| 19:19.22 | rampageripper | greycat: ok,thanx a lot |
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| 19:23.29 | darkblue_b | thank you - I dont understand how the PGP keys are managed from an org point of view, that are used to make the PGP signature in the .dsc file |
| 19:24.00 | darkblue_b | where does the Debian project keep the keys? who uses them when the make the package ? how is that audited, if it is ? |
| 19:24.55 | darkblue_b | (I am attempting to recommend a Debian-style management for our own .org ) |
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| 19:53.35 | nicoo | darkblue_b: https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html might interest you |
| 19:53.39 | km0201 | afternoon Guest27 |
| 19:53.52 | darkblue_b | nicoo: looking |
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| 19:55.50 | nicoo | darkblue_b: Basically, a copy of the archive signing key (and revocation certificate) is spread over m-out-of-n secret sharing. The archive signing key sits on a computer where it actually signs packages; I don't know what are the actual security measures surrounding it. |
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| 19:56.38 | darkblue_b | that is super-helpful nicoo; if you like you can see my summary here https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/wiki/Signing |
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| 19:56.59 | me-1 | hi...Debain is booting to command line...(Debian GNU/Linux 8 Debian tty1 Login) ... |
| 19:57.11 | greycat | me-1: Yay! |
| 19:57.41 | jhutchins | me-1: Excellent! |
| 19:58.04 | jelly | rewinds the log back to ask me-1 the same clarification question again |
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| 19:58.41 | jelly | four hours ago: |
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| 19:58.56 | me-1 | greycat, jhutchins I had a power cut so I could not read the answer |
| 19:58.56 | jelly | [16:18] <me-1> hi...I just installed Debian .It is booting to command line even I selected desktop enviroment and utilities [16:21] <jelly> me-1: that usually means your graphic card is too new and not (well) supported with version of free drivers that come with that debian release. [16:22] <jelly> me-1: show the complete output of: lspci -nn|grep VGA |
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| 19:59.56 | jhutchins | me-1: The full power of Debian linux is yours to command! |
| 20:00.31 | nicoo | darkblue_b: To be honest, I'm not in a state to proofread that currently :V |
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| 20:00.44 | darkblue_b | :p |
| 20:00.52 | greycat | always boots to the console, logs in and runs startx |
| 20:00.59 | me-1 | jelly, I am using a fairly old computer (a p4 with intel 82865G graphic card) |
| 20:01.31 | axc1298 | i did that but was too lazy to type startx every time so i installed a login manager |
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| 20:02.25 | jelly | me-1: possibly too old for a normal gnome session to work. Waiting for that output tho. |
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| 20:02.55 | greycat | gnome sessions are considered normal? :( |
| 20:04.01 | jelly | if you're a gnome yes |
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| 20:05.09 | nicoo | greycat: Same, but I'm considering installing lightdm |
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| 20:05.37 | c0fe_machine | gnomes are not normal |
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| 20:05.49 | c0fe_machine | they are murderous |
| 20:06.03 | jelly | depends on the mythology |
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| 20:08.05 | cyph3x | hello everyone, I had a quick question. I have a debian installation that is command line only (no GUI). I am attempting to install awesome after I configured the network connection manually. when I start it via "awesome" in command line |
| 20:08.29 | jelly | ,i awesome |
| 20:08.30 | judd | Package awesome (x11, optional) in jessie/amd64: highly configurable X window manager. Version: 3.4.15-1+b1; Size: 842.7k; Installed: 2137k; Homepage: http://awesome.naquadah.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/awesome |
| 20:08.52 | cyph3x | ,i awesome? |
| 20:08.53 | judd | No package named 'awesome?' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 20:09.02 | cyph3x | ahhh IRC command, got it |
| 20:09.10 | jelly | cyph3x: when I start it via "awesome" in command line <- you got cut there |
| 20:09.40 | jelly | just wanted to look up what the command you're referring to might be. |
| 20:09.46 | cyph3x | ahhh my bad, yeah trying to install it. everything was installed fine but i have no clue how to start the DE in a new session |
| 20:10.23 | cyph3x | from the CLI that is, I have no GUI currently |
| 20:10.32 | jelly | cyph3x: you will need a running X server somewhere to use a window manager. |
| 20:10.46 | cyph3x | perfect, that should be enough to google |
| 20:10.51 | jelly | !install x |
| 20:10.52 | dpkg | To install X in Debian: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 20:11.05 | jelly | ^^ if you want to run it on the very same system at the console. |
| 20:11.18 | cyph3x | jelly, you are a savior. i really appreciate your time! |
| 20:11.40 | greycat | Be warned: he does not taste good on toast. |
| 20:11.53 | cyph3x | greycat, arguable. >< |
| 20:12.08 | cyph3x | alright, as i have no GUI I cant alt tab, so Im out. Thanks again! |
| 20:12.31 | jelly | dpkg, tell the nonexistent user about screen |
| 20:12.47 | greycat | and about ctrl-alt-f* |
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| 20:13.15 | Roland- | anyone has any experience with infiniband? :P |
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| 20:14.12 | jelly | that's one of the questions I won't invoke !anyone on |
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| 20:19.32 | svetlana | the drupal7 package is clearly not packaged with intent of user selectign which db to use. i try sqlite, php5-sqlite is not installed, but the installer proceeds with 'success' and i then waste time debugging the thing. |
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| 20:23.27 | cyph3x | jelly, you are the shit! got everything working |
| 20:23.43 | cyph3x | awesome is straight sexy man, you should check it out. |
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| 20:26.01 | mawe | is it save to make a rdiff backup of a domU which uses ext3 fs on an ext4 dom0 ? |
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| 20:26.26 | mawe | f |
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| 20:27.41 | greycat | As far as I can tell from the package description, rdiff operates on files, not the internals of file systems, so it should be fine. |
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| 20:29.34 | mawe | mhh.. okay, I'm asking because I tried it and when I restore the domU from a tarball it works, but when I try to restore it from an rdiff-backup with copy some files seem to be corrupted, more exactly I can see apache2 complaining that some files are missing |
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| 20:29.59 | mawe | Starting web server: apache2apache2: Syntax error on line 203 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: No such file or directory |
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| 20:31.40 | jordanm | ,file authz_default.load |
| 20:31.44 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 20:32.10 | greycat | ,file authz_default.load wheezy |
| 20:32.13 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 20:32.22 | greycat | hmm, no idea how to make it search wheezy |
| 20:32.27 | jordanm | mawe: mods-enabled is typically just symlinks from mods-available, but that particular file doesn't appear to come from a package |
| 20:32.35 | jordanm | ,file authz_default.load --release wheezy |
| 20:32.38 | judd | Search for authz_default.load in wheezy/amd64: apache2.2-common: etc/apache2/mods-available/authz_default.load |
| 20:32.46 | jordanm | ah, ok, it is there |
| 20:33.06 | greycat | apache 2.2 -> 2.4 is a BIG transition. Many breakages. Much pain. |
| 20:33.55 | mawe | yea the domU uses an old kernel, I just installed jessie and tried to just start the old image there |
| 20:34.09 | greycat | was the old image backed up from wheezy? |
| 20:34.16 | brguy | greycat, it was easier to me change to nginx |
| 20:34.19 | mawe | yea the dom0 runs wheezy |
| 20:34.23 | mawe | the old one |
| 20:34.36 | greycat | you can't extract a backup from wheezy onto a jessie system and expect it to work without changes |
| 20:35.49 | mawe | but I'm starting the wheezy domU with the old kernel, it works when I create it from the tarball, just the rdiff doesn't work |
| 20:36.11 | jordanm | IMO backing up configurations in general is somewhat of an outdated thing. with proper configuration management anything that isn't application data is disposable |
| 20:36.41 | greycat | I guess I don't know what "proper configuration management" is, then. |
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| 20:37.14 | jordanm | s/proper/inclusive/ |
| 20:37.26 | greycat | That isn't any clearer. |
| 20:38.01 | jordanm | contains *everything* needed for the server to act it's specified role |
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| 20:38.31 | skirmisha | hi guys |
| 20:38.54 | skirmisha | anyone alive here? |
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| 20:40.44 | jelly | !anyone |
| 20:40.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:41.23 | greycat | There are 1690 people (or nicks) here, so it's a fair bet that ONE of them is alive. |
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| 20:41.54 | ZodoTurtle | how do I setup wdm dipslay manager? |
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| 20:42.18 | ZodoTurtle | Or should I say, does anyone here know how to setup wdm to work with lxde? |
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| 20:43.05 | Iridos | greycat, they might be faking it, though |
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| 20:43.26 | greycat | If they fake it well enough to pass a Turing test, then by definition you can't tell the difference. |
| 20:43.41 | jelly | ZodoTurtle: hmm, how does it fail? |
| 20:43.50 | ZodoTurtle | I don't get X. |
| 20:43.53 | Iridos | that's why he asked :D |
| 20:44.05 | jelly | does wdm start? |
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| 20:44.34 | jelly | is there a login screen? is there a way to choose lxde session? |
| 20:44.40 | jelly | can you log in? |
| 20:44.51 | ZodoTurtle | Nope. Nothing. tty only. |
| 20:44.57 | jelly | ah, that's good |
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| 20:45.27 | Wulf | Hi |
| 20:45.32 | jelly | ZodoTurtle: does running "startlxde" after logging in at text console work? |
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| 20:46.18 | ZodoTurtle | Hmm, didn't try startlxde. |
| 20:46.19 | Wulf | what's a good approach to get the count of upgradable packages and perhaps also number of security upgrades and related package names? |
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| 20:46.31 | greycat | Wulf: apt-get -u upgrade |
| 20:46.54 | jelly | ZodoTurtle: at this point I'd like to make sure whether X server can start at all |
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| 20:47.01 | ZodoTurtle | Busy with another fresh install. Will have wdm and other minimal packages soon. |
| 20:47.13 | jelly | in any way possible, including startlxde |
| 20:47.29 | jelly | dpkg, tell ZodoTurtle about install x |
| 20:47.50 | jelly | dpkg, tell ZodoTurtle about install lxde |
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| 20:48.10 | ZodoTurtle | ah, I already installed lxde, which I am pretty sure installed xorg. |
| 20:48.25 | greycat | that's not a safe bet |
| 20:48.30 | ZodoTurtle | actually, I'm installing lxde-core, which appears to be the same set as lxde-common. |
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| 20:49.13 | ZodoTurtle | I figure they aren't identical, but have similar dependancies that cause them to be the same from minimal install. |
| 20:49.31 | jelly | do install x as well. |
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| 20:50.06 | f8trh | I do not understand how Debian is linking my xorg installation to my i3wm. I run startx and it starts, but I'm trolling through the config files and I don't see anything mentioning i3 in /etc/X11/init/xinitrc or /etc/X11/init/xserverrc, which are the only config files linked in /usr/bin/startx. Someone please help me because I'm lost. |
| 20:50.30 | greycat | f8trh: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-* |
| 20:50.44 | jelly | !wm |
| 20:50.44 | dpkg | A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 20:50.58 | jelly | To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». # this bit in particular |
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| 20:51.35 | f8trh | greycat, jelly: ok thank you |
| 20:51.46 | ZodoTurtle | Paused one VM and the other got a speed boost. LOL |
| 20:52.03 | jelly | get a faster ssd. |
| 20:53.03 | ZodoTurtle | well, startlxde fails. |
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| 20:53.32 | ZodoTurtle | sudo apt-get install x Results in . Nope can't find that.. will look at messages in other window. |
| 20:53.32 | greycat | ZodoTurtle: your Debian installation is inside a VM? Which one? |
| 20:53.42 | greycat | ZodoTurtle: apt-get install xorg |
| 20:53.46 | jelly | ZodoTurtle: read what dpkg told you about "install x" |
| 20:53.52 | ZodoTurtle | greycat: the blue one iwth.. Nah, I'm using VirtualBox. |
| 20:54.33 | ZodoTurtle | LIB, all of xorg was missing. That will likely fix it. |
| 20:54.35 | greycat | ZodoTurtle: you may also need some of the virtualbox-guest-* packages |
| 20:54.39 | f8trh | Ok, now when does Debian go looking for the x-window-manager during the xinit process? |
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| 20:55.04 | greycat | f8trh: whenever it runs "/usr/bin/x-window-manager" or "x-window-manager" |
| 20:55.40 | jelly | f8trh: if I wanted an answer to that I'd run: grep -R x-window-manager /etc/X11 |
| 20:55.40 | greycat | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup: STARTUP=x-window-manager |
| 20:55.51 | ZodoTurtle | yep, that fixed it. Greycat. I don't plan to USE the VM. Just testing installs over and over and.. Well, I have an end goal for a lightweight limited system. |
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| 20:56.37 | ZodoTurtle | wdm login looks funny, but familiar. eh, it works, I'm happy, Thanks jelly. |
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| 20:57.30 | f8trh | greycat, thank you |
| 20:57.50 | ZodoTurtle | and greycat Thanks for the guest suggestion. Would have helped if I had intended to frequently use it. |
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| 21:02.08 | w33d0pe | hi |
| 21:02.10 | w33d0pe | im currently running 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5 (2015-10-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux on a root server where i just have ssh access |
| 21:02.17 | w33d0pe | ive compiled a new kernel in a vm |
| 21:02.23 | w33d0pe | Linux debian 3.16.7-ckt11cfs-enabled #2 SMP Thu Nov 5 |
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| 21:02.33 | w33d0pe | now i want to transfer this kernel to the root server and test it |
| 21:02.42 | w33d0pe | what is the best way to do this? |
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| 21:02.54 | greycat | scp (or sftp or rsync) the kernel .deb file over, and install it |
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| 21:03.15 | jelly | w33d0pe: did you make a package out of that kernel build? |
| 21:03.26 | w33d0pe | oh yes |
| 21:03.34 | greycat | If the answer is no, see !kernel handbook and change it to yes. |
| 21:03.55 | baum | uhm, in etc/apt/sources i added "testing" options, however according to etc/os-release i'm running sid? how is that possible? |
| 21:03.58 | jelly | upstream tarball now has "make deb-pkg" which does a half-decent job usually |
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| 21:05.36 | chillfan | !sources.list wheezy |
| 21:05.38 | w33d0pe | linux-image-3.16.7-ckt11cfs-enabled_3.16.7-ckt11cfs-enabled-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb |
| 21:05.45 | chillfan | hm |
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| 21:06.19 | greycat | baum: "testing/unstable" means it could be either one |
| 21:06.20 | chillfan | how can i get dpkg to show me sources.list again for wheezy? |
| 21:06.36 | greycat | Whiskey: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 21:06.41 | chillfan | thanks |
| 21:06.46 | greycat | bah, nick failure |
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| 21:07.04 | w33d0pe | i want to to install it but if somethings goes wrong after the reboot it should automatically fall back to the standard kernel |
| 21:07.05 | chillfan | all good, gives me what i'm looking for :) |
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| 21:07.27 | greycat | w33d0pe: typically you will need console access to select a different kernel via grub |
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| 21:07.54 | baum | greycat: hm in this case how can i specify which one to use? |
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| 21:08.06 | greycat | baum: your sources.list defines where you get the packages from |
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| 21:08.37 | baum | yep, but that means: stable = stable, testing = testing OR sid?! |
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| 21:09.28 | baum | how could testing/unstable be sid? |
| 21:09.33 | greycat | baum: It says "testing/unstable" in /etc/debian_version because at any given moment in time, the packages that you have installed could be in unstable, or in testing, or both. The package itself is just a bunch of bytes arranged in a file. |
| 21:10.00 | w33d0pe | well when i installed them via "dpkg -i ..." the new custom kernel was set as the default kernel |
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| 21:10.26 | baum | greycat: oh i see, thanks |
| 21:10.40 | baum | it does say stretch/sid though |
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| 21:11.24 | greycat | OK, same concept with different labels. Packages that are being developed are uploaded into "unstable" (sid), and then after some time most of them automatically migrate into "testing" (stretch). |
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| 21:12.28 | baum | i see, i'm aware of the concept, the lables kinda got me confused though. thanks for clearing things up :) |
| 21:12.56 | greycat | /etc/debian_version is just a plain old file which is in the base-files package, which in your case was uploaded to sid and moved to stretch later. |
| 21:13.14 | greycat | it's not magically generated by your sources.list |
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| 21:17.46 | w33d0pe | ahh |
| 21:17.47 | w33d0pe | Grub fallback feature |
| 21:17.56 | w33d0pe | anyone aware of that? |
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| 21:18.08 | Akuw | hi, i made an script that show number of pages of a list of pdf |
| 21:19.00 | Akuw | but when it find a file name like "This is my pdf.pdf " there is error I/O Error: Couldn't open file 'This': No such file or directory. |
| 21:19.05 | Akuw | is because white spaces |
| 21:19.14 | Akuw | how can i get rid of that? |
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| 21:19.29 | greycat | Akuw: sounds like you wrote a sh/bash script and did not quote variable expansions properly. |
| 21:19.34 | Akuw | script http://pastebin.ca/3236768 |
| 21:20.06 | greycat | Akuw: for i in *.pdf; do ...; IN=$(pdfinfo "$i" ...) ... |
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| 21:20.33 | toogley | what network configuration tool is preferred for servers as ifupdown is legacy and NetworkManager not recommended? |
| 21:20.44 | greycat | Akuw: two failures: (1) you must use a glob, not $(ls ...) (2) you must quote "$i" when using it |
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| 21:21.47 | greycat | toogley: you can still edit /etc/network/interfaces and use ifup and ifdown, right? What's wrong with that? |
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| 21:22.46 | Akuw | glob? |
| 21:23.16 | greycat | Akuw: for i in *.pdf expands to a list of filenames, with each filename being a word no matter how many spaces are in it. The for loop iterates over each filename one at a time. |
| 21:23.42 | greycat | Akuw: for i in $(ls ...) expands to a list of the whitespace-separated words that are the output of ls, which is just a mangled mass that can't be turned back into filenames. |
| 21:24.31 | toogley | greycat: its legacy, that setup is primary based on scripts which doesn't fit neatly with systemd in my opinion. and i don't like it very much. but i've forgot that systemd can also manage networks, so this is maybe the best approach |
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| 21:25.26 | hassoon | i wrote sudo apt-get purge wine winetrickss, then i got prompted with that text, how come i'm into getting packages at this point? http://pastebin.ca/3236782 |
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| 21:25.40 | hassoon | rather than just purging the said packages |
| 21:25.46 | Akuw | then to use the command i use " " ? |
| 21:25.55 | Akuw | ls *.pdf |
| 21:25.59 | greycat | if package A depends on "B or C" and you remove B, it will install C |
| 21:26.26 | greycat | Akuw: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls |
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| 21:27.13 | hassoon | greycat: aaah, that's how apt keeps the system stable ? |
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| 21:27.36 | greycat | hassoon: I didn't read your pastebin, but that's certainly a possible explanation for your question |
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| 21:30.36 | Akuw | good |
| 21:30.39 | Akuw | now is working |
| 21:30.51 | Akuw | thanks greycat |
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| 21:33.06 | Akuw | in for i in *.pdf; i can use a variable $PATH right? |
| 21:33.13 | Akuw | sory PATH |
| 21:33.18 | greycat | $PATH is special |
| 21:33.29 | Akuw | MYPATH |
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| 21:33.55 | greycat | In general it's best to avoid all-uppercase variable names, because of the special ones like PATH, SHELL, HOME, USER, LOGNAME, etc. |
| 21:34.17 | Akuw | ok, ok |
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| 21:37.14 | greycat | If you were trying to do this: for i in "$MYPATH"/*.pdf then that's how you do it. |
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| 21:37.28 | Akuw | yes i test |
| 21:37.29 | greycat | The variable must be inside quotes, and the glob part (*.pdf) must not. |
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| 21:54.45 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 21:56.35 | Spec | Heya. I just installed Jessie as a desktop. My system has a couple vidya cards and three monitors and such. What's the preferred way to set this up, or should I delve into xorg.conf directly as per usual? |
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| 21:58.54 | zylinx | greycat: if you wanted to know, the .desktop file in ~/config/autostart/ worked perfect... crazy how such a basic feature was so fiddly to get working. i guess it makes sense, just need to switch numlock on AFTER everything tries to turn it off xD crazy how many times it gets reset. if i left all my attempt in my system my numlock LED would flash around 5 |
| 21:58.54 | zylinx | times! |
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| 22:01.10 | axc1298 | Spec: there's an auto config package that can generate xorg.conf |
| 22:01.13 | axc1298 | let me look it up |
| 22:02.04 | Spec | hrmm. it says it should be able to configure dual-headed displays with nouveau driver |
| 22:02.14 | Spec | but i don't see my other video card/monitors in display (MATE) |
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| 22:03.25 | axc1298 | nvidia-xconfig but that's for the proprietary driver |
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| 22:04.42 | hawaii | Firstly, are all your video cards detected? |
| 22:04.49 | Spec | yes |
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| 22:05.16 | hawaii | And they're all nv, since you're using nouveau? |
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| 22:05.27 | Spec | yeap |
| 22:05.40 | Spec | i have a config for x.org that i used to use |
| 22:06.04 | Spec | but...diff os, so i wanna do this the "correct" way |
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| 22:08.14 | Mister | Salut les amis ! |
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| 22:08.53 | Spec | My old config used Xinerama and the proprietary driver, it looks like |
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| 22:11.37 | Spec | this is promising, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/MultiMonitorDesktop/ |
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| 22:12.24 | Mister | Hi Spec ! |
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| 22:39.50 | sparky4 | ok |
| 22:40.43 | sparky4 | video issues with nvidia legacy 304xx driver displaying 2 entities of the same resolution and non 4:3 ratio resolution and the display is blurry >< |
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| 22:52.26 | wacek | whether it pays to put Debian on Btrfs |
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| 22:53.56 | teraflops | wacek: hmm, are you planning taking snapshots? |
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| 22:54.38 | sparky4 | svgalib |
| 22:54.39 | sparky4 | hmm |
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| 22:57.06 | wacek | This feature is very good but a question of whether Btrfs The Alliance is stable? |
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| 22:59.49 | wacek | it is strange that the windows of ntfs has the snapshot and linux until he entered Btrfs |
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| 23:08.07 | nicoo | Should I even bother reporting bugs against logcheck? It looks dead |
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| 23:11.57 | wacek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37D2bRsthfI |
| 23:12.37 | wacek | if it can be done under Debian 8 |
| 23:13.08 | wacek | any of you are doing? |
| 23:16.07 | somiaj | wacek: probabaly depends on what you mean 'if it can be done', lots of things can be done, but it may not be easy or supported. |
| 23:16.45 | ewew | Or fast enough for work, playing a game and etc. |
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| 23:17.35 | mi11k1 | my bb10 runs android decently for the most part |
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| 23:18.24 | wacek | the movies from youtube doing it was the visitors who have two graphics cards, I wonder if a single graphics card will do the trick |
| 23:19.16 | mi11k1 | Is anybody know about this hiccupup with network manager and OpenVPN , also in ubuntu? |
| 23:19.26 | mi11k1 | haha |
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| 23:20.20 | somiaj | wacek: One could probabaly do it with one graphics card, but not have the dual setup like he does. I've looked into that a few years ago, I should look into it again. But if you can give a vm access to the video card on a tty, should be able to at least have windows only on that tty as a vm. |
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| 23:20.58 | mi11k1 | Virtual Box 5 do a bunch of fancy stuff that video I noticed , but I didn't look into it |
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| 23:21.01 | Spec | man x.org giving me grief |
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| 23:21.19 | somiaj | Spec: what sort of grief? |
| 23:21.35 | Spec | I'm trying to get 2x video cards w/ 3 monitors working |
| 23:21.45 | Spec | sometimes i can't even restart X, have to reboot to see if a change works |
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| 23:21.58 | somiaj | Spec: how different are the video cards? |
| 23:22.01 | Spec | exact same |
| 23:22.07 | Spec | I'm trying to follow this, to no avail http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/MultiMonitorDesktop/ |
| 23:22.08 | somiaj | Spec: what driver? |
| 23:22.11 | mi11k1 | what DM? |
| 23:22.12 | Spec | nouveau |
| 23:22.14 | Spec | MATE |
| 23:22.19 | somiaj | Spec: may I ask what exact card? |
| 23:22.34 | Spec | Just now I set up just one screen/device....and TWO monitors are working, extended perfectly, even though xorg.conf only is set up for one |
| 23:22.38 | Spec | and the third is just off |
| 23:22.50 | Spec | somiaj: Quadro FX 1700 |
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| 23:23.41 | mi11k1 | what happens if you restrt the DM ? |
| 23:24.11 | somiaj | Spec: not that familar with the cards. The one thing that makes me wary about the link you posted is it is using Xinerama, which really isn't the standard for multiple monintors/screens any more. Drivers default to Xrandr over Xinerama. Though Xinerama is still supported unsure if that is the prefered way to do what you want. |
| 23:24.13 | ewew | Spec Is the bus id of cards correct ? |
| 23:24.16 | hawaii | Damn, get some new cards. The FX1700 is old as shit. |
| 23:24.47 | Spec | somiaj: I've seen nothing that suggests there's an alternative to Xinerama for multiple cards |
| 23:24.51 | mi11k1 | that french driver pisses me off |
| 23:24.52 | Spec | hawaii: they work fine |
| 23:25.01 | Spec | ewew: yes, i have an old working config |
| 23:25.05 | somiaj | Spec: yea that was what I was afraid of. It was just one thing I noticed. |
| 23:25.13 | Spec | well, dunno if it works on debian jessie, but...it was working earlier today ;) |
| 23:25.18 | hawaii | Do they resume from suspend without crashing every 6th time? |
| 23:25.24 | Spec | i don't suspend |
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| 23:26.03 | somiaj | Spec: just for sake of argument, care to disable Xinerma (maybe just move your xorg.conf file and boot from a blank xorg.conf file). Then run xrandr and see if it sees the second video card. Info I see says it should. |
| 23:26.04 | wacek | How to switch the graphics card into virtual windows 7 that you can not use Linux desktop environment? |
| 23:26.14 | ewew | Spec Not sure how to check that last card has enough power. |
| 23:26.27 | Spec | ewew: this setup has worked for years upon years |
| 23:26.29 | Spec | it's not a hardware issue |
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| 23:26.51 | Spec | somiaj: if I boot without xorg.conf, only one monitor will display anything. Will xrandr results be useful? |
| 23:26.54 | ewew | Spec Try to setup it manually with xrandr. |
| 23:27.00 | Spec | I mean, I see all monitors/cards in /sys/class/drm/* |
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| 23:27.32 | somiaj | Spec: if the output of xrandr -q sees both graphics cards then you can just configure xrandr. If not it was just me makgin sure xrandr woudln't just support this out of the box. |
| 23:27.40 | somiaj | Spec: but yea I thik you are right, I'm doing research. |
| 23:27.54 | Spec | right now...xrandr -q doesn't show the third monitor |
| 23:28.04 | Spec | the "third monitor" being the first monitor (the one the bios POSTs to) |
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| 23:29.17 | ewew | Spec Xorg logs dont complain ? |
| 23:29.34 | Spec | No, and it finds card0 and card1...it doesn't mention DVI-I-3 though (the third monitor) |
| 23:29.38 | somiaj | Spec: yea that is what I was thinking |
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| 23:29.51 | Spec | I'm not really sure how it configures...it "correctly" when in xorg.conf, I only had the one device/screen configured |
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| 23:31.43 | Spec | hah |
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| 23:31.55 | Spec | I just turned xinerama off with that config from the wiki and now the other monitor is on, and the first two are off |
| 23:31.59 | somiaj | Spec: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/x-org-drm/36104-xrandr-1-4-multi-gpu-works -- seems if the xrandr is new enough it would work and I'd suggest using xrandr over Xinerma if possible. Again unsure what sort of support the nouveau drivers give. |
| 23:32.00 | Spec | xrandr -q shows just the one |
| 23:32.50 | somiaj | Spec: though that page is more about sucess over how to do it. still researching |
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| 23:33.12 | Spec | ugh, 404 on the xorg.conf |
| 23:33.25 | wacek | I wonder why as they are available natively under Linux games that go more slowly this means that they have less fps-niches under Windows 7 |
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| 23:33.49 | oppp | Hello everyone. I'm trying to dual boot Debian alongside Windows 10 on my UEFI laptop, but when I try booting the installer from USB, I'm greeted with just a grub terminal. Anyone have any insight? |
| 23:34.20 | somiaj | oppp: which installer are you using? |
| 23:34.33 | oppp | somiaj, I created the USB with UNetbootin |
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| 23:34.42 | ewew | Spec Can you post your config to pastebin ? |
| 23:34.59 | somiaj | oppp: that is probabaly your problem |
| 23:35.01 | somiaj | !unetbootin |
| 23:35.02 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 23:35.08 | Spec | ewew: sure...do you want me to paste my old (nvidia driver) known-working one as well? |
| 23:35.20 | somiaj | oppp: get win32diskimager to write the installer (and make sure you are using the offical debian installers and not the live image if you want uefi) |
| 23:35.28 | oppp | Alternatively, I also tried just extracting the .iso to the USB and booting and the same thing happened. |
| 23:35.31 | ewew | Spec Your choice. |
| 23:35.52 | oppp | Yea I'm using the DVD image. |
| 23:35.57 | somiaj | Spec: I assume you are on jessie? |
| 23:36.00 | Spec | yes, jessie |
| 23:36.10 | somiaj | oppp: no write the image to the usb drive using the image tool I suggested |
| 23:36.18 | Spec | Here is current (not working) config. Only screen0 comes up, xinerama is off as requested http://paste.debian.net/324684/ |
| 23:37.01 | ewew | Spec Lines 12,21,30 |
| 23:37.06 | oppp | somiaj, alright, I'll see what happens, thanks. |
| 23:37.14 | Spec | and here is the ridiculously old config; http://paste.debian.net/324685/ |
| 23:37.30 | somiaj | Spec: yea looks like xrand 1.4.2 is in jessie so xrandr should support multiple gpu's |
| 23:37.49 | Spec | ewew: whoops |
| 23:37.52 | ewew | Spec Lines 12,21,30 you have a typo |
| 23:37.59 | Spec | ewew: that was from an earlier test, 21 should be Device1 |
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| 23:38.19 | ewew | Spec It can be the reason. |
| 23:38.53 | somiaj | Spec: on your setup with no xorg.conf file where you only see one of the cards, run this command 'xrandr --listproviders' do you see both cards now? |
| 23:38.57 | Spec | ewew: it certainly WAS the reason |
| 23:39.09 | Spec | i see, with xinerama off itw orks |
| 23:39.15 | Spec | sort of |
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| 23:39.24 | Spec | i can't drag my windows to the other displays, which are now on |
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| 23:39.58 | Spec | it shows background on all three monitors now, but weirdly xrandr -q shows just the main desktop one |
| 23:40.07 | somiaj | Spec: again, xrandr --listproviders |
| 23:40.17 | Spec | same, just one provider |
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| 23:40.53 | Spec | ah, my mouse can go to the other monitors, but i can't drag windows there |
| 23:41.06 | Spec | xrandr -q shows the info for the monitor in which the terminal is running on |
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| 23:41.15 | ewew | Spec That is probably VM. |
| 23:41.20 | Spec | VM? |
| 23:41.34 | ewew | Spec oops WM |
| 23:41.48 | Spec | the not-dragging across monitors thing? |
| 23:41.54 | Spec | i thought that's what xinerama enabled |
| 23:41.56 | ewew | Spec yes |
| 23:42.11 | Spec | MATE should cat like gnome2, right? |
| 23:42.20 | somiaj | Windows are the proerty of the WM, if the windows do not know about xrandr or xinemra they won't allow you to move things around. |
| 23:42.38 | somiaj | Spec: not sure if gnome2 thus mate had good xrandr support or not. |
| 23:42.57 | Spec | well, i was using gnome2 and i could move windows about |
| 23:43.02 | Spec | but i was also using xinerama |
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| 23:44.22 | wacek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:44.41 | wacek | What is the reason that on linux game runs slower niches on windows 7? |
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| 23:45.05 | Spec | well -- fwiw, KDE is acting the same way |
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| 23:47.06 | Spec | Hmm, and it definitely doesn't work with Xinerama enabled. :-/ |
| 23:47.11 | oppp | somiaj, this thing wants .img files, not .iso files |
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| 23:47.29 | somiaj | oppp: just change it to *.* and select the .iso file, it will work |
| 23:48.00 | oppp | Alright cool |
| 23:48.36 | ewew | Spec What logs say ? |
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| 23:50.15 | somiaj | Spec: looking at the nouveau wiki you linked seems that nouveau is only using xrand1.2 (wonder if that is the issue of why it won't see the second card) |
| 23:50.49 | Spec | ewew: nothing terribly illuminating |
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| 23:51.56 | somiaj | Spec: there is a nouveau channel, maybe ask there. See if they have any hints for this. But I see it as this way. If nouveau supports xrandr 1.4 you should be able to use xrandr 1.4 directly (I think this would be prefered). If it only supports 1.2 as per the wiki you'll have to disable xrandr and use xinemera |
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| 23:57.09 | Spec | ewew: oh, i see an error |
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| 23:57.28 | Spec | [ 2349.920] Error dropping master: -22(Invalid argument) |
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| 23:58.18 | ewew | Spec One line does not say much. |
| 23:58.27 | NightSniper | hey guys.. I want to install another distro with debian.. I've set up a new partition for it and made it ext4 |
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| 23:58.44 | NightSniper | but when I try to install the mentioned distro.. I get asked about the mount point |
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| 23:58.53 | NightSniper | what should I use? |
| 23:59.21 | NightSniper | and why if possible |
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| 23:59.38 | oppp | somiaj, it worked, thanks. |
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