| 00:00.11 | oppp | Ah crap. Debian can't detect the wifi card in my laptop. |
| 00:00.14 | Brigo | NightSniper, who asked that question? |
| 00:00.20 | Spec | ewew: If you don't mind, without Xinerama (works, but can't move things across monitors) http://paste.debian.net/324738/ With Xinerama (fails/stalls blank): http://paste.debian.net/324738/ |
| 00:00.33 | Brigo | oppp, firmware, most likely |
| 00:00.37 | oppp | Rather, it requires non free firmware. |
| 00:00.41 | oppp | Which I don't have. |
| 00:00.53 | Brigo | oppp, debian does :) |
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| 00:01.04 | somiaj | oppp: you should have enough stuff on the dvd to complete the install. Just copy the firmware over at the end (or use the firmware netinstall image) |
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| 00:01.17 | NightSniper | Brigo, the installation guide.. I choosed manual partitioning |
| 00:01.30 | Brigo | NightSniper, debian installation guide? |
| 00:01.31 | oppp | Does the netinstall image just download everything you need during the install or what? |
| 00:01.44 | Brigo | oppp, if you choose the right one, yes :) |
| 00:01.53 | NightSniper | Brigo, Nope.. Kali's guide! |
| 00:02.10 | NightSniper | Debian is already installed in a seprate partition |
| 00:02.16 | Brigo | NightSniper, why you asking us about kali's guide questions? ask them. |
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| 00:02.56 | somiaj | oppp: it contains a baseystem and then gets everything else from the network. |
| 00:03.12 | NightSniper | Don't you by chance know which option to choose so it's not harmful to Debian |
| 00:03.15 | somiaj | oppp: though you have to use the one that has the non-free firmware. |
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| 00:03.25 | NightSniper | Brigo, Don't you by chance know which option to choose so it's not harmful to Debian * |
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| 00:03.38 | somiaj | oppp: since you have already downlaoded the dvd and it should contain almost everything you need to start. I'd just do the install without the network and copy the firmware over once you are done. |
| 00:03.49 | Brigo | NightSniper, sorry, i have never seen kali installer. |
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| 00:04.17 | ewew | Spec You posted the same files. |
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| 00:04.56 | Spec | ewew: ugh, second (fail) link is: http://paste.debian.net/324736/ |
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| 00:05.24 | Spec | ewew: differences start to appear at lines 539 or so |
| 00:05.34 | ewew | Spec It looked weird. The same output.:P |
| 00:06.04 | Spec | when NVEnterVT is called, nouveau doesn't set the screen size/resize |
| 00:06.08 | Spec | I wonder if i should be explicit with screen sizes with xinerama? |
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| 00:11.09 | ewew | Spec check you config on lines 18,27,36 |
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| 00:16.15 | ewew | Spec I have to go now. Im sorry i could not help you. |
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| 00:19.43 | Spec | ewew: np, thanks anyways! |
| 00:20.02 | Spec | I'm done for today anyways. I'll follow up tomorrow...I'll also try the proprietary nvidia driver before I bother you guys ;) |
| 00:20.17 | Spec | I may accidentally start liking KDE, too :-/ |
| 00:21.02 | grondilu | I have a debian machine A running X on 192.168.1.11 and an other machine B not running X on 192.168.1.10. I ran "xhost +" on A, and tried 'DISPLAY=192.168.1.11:0 xeyes' on B but get a 'Error: Can't open display: 192.168.1.11:0' message. What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:21.28 | aedinius | Heh, I saw that Xorg was going to be running as user now, and I was like cool! then after a reboot I realized that doesn't matter if you use a login manager |
| 00:22.15 | aedinius | grondilu: Firewall? |
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| 00:22.47 | grondilu | hum... I don't think so. But I may have privoxy still running. I doubt that's related, though. |
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| 00:25.36 | aedinius | grondilu: is Xorg listening on TCP? |
| 00:25.48 | aedinius | It doesn't by default on most modern distros |
| 00:26.41 | grondilu | I have no idea man |
| 00:26.55 | aedinius | netstat -plant | grep 6000 |
| 00:27.36 | Spec | aedinius: good one, -plant |
| 00:27.57 | grondilu | that returns nothing |
| 00:29.01 | aedinius | ps -ef | grep Xorg |
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| 00:29.15 | aedinius | If it says -nolisten tcp, that's your problem. |
| 00:29.21 | aedinius | I'd also not recommend changing that |
| 00:29.30 | aedinius | Instead, I'd just use X11 forwarding with SSH |
| 00:29.49 | grondilu | yeah actually I've just tried that. Seems to work. |
| 00:30.10 | aedinius | That's the more secure way. Allowing native/raw TCP connections to SSH is a bad idea |
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| 00:48.48 | Stawidy | Can Debian 8 Jessie support Intel Skylake? |
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| 00:50.43 | km0201 | Stawidy, hmm, i dunno... pretty new |
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| 00:51.33 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 00:51.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-rc7-686 (4.3~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.5-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u5) |
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| 00:52.05 | dvs | Stawidy: Download a live image and see |
| 00:52.12 | transhuman | getting ERROR:nss_util.cc(839)] After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018 in chrome (at command line) anyone know how to fix it appears to be something with certificates |
| 00:52.13 | Stawidy | need kernel 4.3? |
| 00:52.34 | transhuman | I am afraid my ssl isnt working |
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| 00:53.14 | Stawidy | OK.I want to buy an i5-6500 recently. |
| 00:53.21 | transhuman | happens in both chrome stable and beta |
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| 00:53.37 | transhuman | I wonder if this might be a more wide spread problem |
| 00:53.51 | quantic_ | transhuman: "isnt working" is hardly descriptive. |
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| 00:54.34 | dvs | quantic: ??? That error message is pretty specific |
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| 00:54.41 | transhuman | no chrome is working but Its generating ssl errors if launched from command line. I am wondering if this might be an overlooked certificate issue |
| 00:55.06 | quantic | dvs: what error message? |
| 00:55.23 | dvs | quantic: ERROR:nss_util.cc(839)] |
| 00:55.31 | transhuman | ERROR:nss_util.cc(839)] After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018 |
| 00:56.23 | transhuman | most people dont lauch chrome from a command line which is why i spotted it but I am thinking it might not only be me |
| 00:56.25 | quantic | how did I miss that? o.O |
| 00:56.26 | zykotick9 | transhuman: <sidenote> google "chrome" is not a debian package... does the same happen in chromium from debian? if so... the chromium issue would be supported in #d. "google chrome" = not so much... |
| 00:56.55 | quantic | transhuman: also, I think you might be confusing debug output with an actual problem. |
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| 00:57.32 | transhuman | same message with chromium launched from command line |
| 00:57.52 | quantic | transhuman: is there a functional issue or problem? |
| 00:58.14 | transhuman | I am wondering more about whether its subject to man in middle attacks |
| 00:58.48 | transhuman | can anyone confirm they have the same output |
| 00:59.19 | transhuman | /usr/bin/chromium - from konsole |
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| 01:01.04 | zykotick9 | transhuman: results - from urxvt - i get no debug/error output when i launch "chromium"... best of luck. |
| 01:02.18 | teraflops | transhuman: is the date and time ok in that computer? |
| 01:02.59 | transhuman | yes the time is ok |
| 01:03.07 | quantic | transhuman: move ~/.config/google-chrome to somewhere else, and start Chrome again. see if it happens. |
| 01:03.20 | teraflops | transhuman: i mean exact not that 2 or 3 minutes ~ |
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| 01:03.57 | transhuman | it's 8:03 according to clock EST |
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| 01:04.56 | abrotman | which year? |
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| 01:05.16 | teraflops | ok, it is just that kind of stuff like the time sync |
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| 01:06.50 | transhuman | same error after the rename. I think I properly updated my certificates too, but not positive |
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| 01:10.02 | quantic | transhuman: I'm still not convinced that you're not chasing this error message for no reason. I haven't been able to dig up anything on it in any bug report other than A) no one even seems to care about it or B) yes, it's an error message. |
| 01:10.35 | transhuman | ok I will file a bug report |
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| 01:11.29 | transhuman | but it does appear it cant negotiate proper root certificates |
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| 01:13.49 | quantic | transhuman: Okay, that's why I asked if you were seeing any functional issues. So, sites with proper certs like Google come up with warnings? |
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| 01:14.33 | transhuman | no they do not thats the strange thing. I dont want to make everyone take hours on this > I will continue to investigate |
| 01:14.47 | quantic | transhuman: okay, so how can it not "negotiate proper root certs?" |
| 01:15.13 | transhuman | thats what the message says |
| 01:15.22 | quantic | transhuman: no, that's what you're interpreting it as saying. |
| 01:15.53 | transhuman | ok |
| 01:15.58 | quantic | transhuman: https://www.pcwebshop.co.uk/ |
| 01:16.02 | quantic | transhuman: Does that generate a warning? |
| 01:16.19 | transhuman | yes says my connection is not private |
| 01:17.06 | quantic | transhuman: Then I'm not seeing an actual problem other than an error message that you're not sure what it means or if it matters. |
| 01:17.25 | quantic | transhuman: Worth filing a bug on? Possibly. Worrying about man in the middle attacks? A stretch. |
| 01:17.35 | transhuman | ok thanks |
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| 01:18.37 | transhuman | I did notice that my /usr/local/share/ca-certificates directory is empty |
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| 01:23.18 | transhuman | anyways thanks for the time |
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| 01:32.28 | tge | quick question |
| 01:33.04 | tge | when I run the debian installer on my laptop, it hangs at the detecting network hardware screen and doesn't continue |
| 01:33.10 | tge | when I run the debian installer on my laptop, it hangs at the detecting network hardware screen and doesn't continue? |
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| 01:38.15 | abrotman | tge: waiting how long? |
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| 01:38.23 | tge | it freezes |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | Which installer? |
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| 02:04.16 | simonpatapon | hi |
| 02:04.59 | simonpatapon | when I lspci I only see my grpahic card, no output about the onboard card |
| 02:06.09 | Brigo | simonpatapon, is it actived in bios? |
| 02:06.18 | simonpatapon | i saw no option about it |
| 02:06.31 | simonpatapon | i ll look again i guess |
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| 02:07.21 | Brigo | simonpatapon, the other option is your onboard card is not supported by the kernel. |
| 02:07.43 | Brigo | it could be if it is brand new. |
| 02:07.57 | simonpatapon | no its old |
| 02:08.53 | simonpatapon | i have one GeForce GTX 560 Ti with dual DVI |
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| 02:09.04 | simonpatapon | I have VGA,DVI and HDMI on board |
| 02:09.13 | simonpatapon | i'd like quad monitor |
| 02:09.35 | simonpatapon | its all about chipste? |
| 02:09.38 | simonpatapon | chipset? |
| 02:09.45 | Brigo | simonpatapon, then i would doublecheck the bios configuration :) |
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| 02:09.53 | Brigo | simonpatapon, more or less. |
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| 02:10.44 | simonpatapon | i'll be back |
| 02:10.47 | simonpatapon | ;) |
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| 02:13.14 | abrotman | many motherboards disable onboard when you insert something into the slot |
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| 02:16.57 | simonpatapon | Brigo: you were right |
| 02:17.13 | simonpatapon | 00:02.0 Display controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 02:17.18 | simonpatapon | is now in lspci |
| 02:17.24 | simonpatapon | well hidden is bios |
| 02:17.58 | Brigo | simonpatapon, nice :) |
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| 02:20.04 | simonpatapon | [ 2.524672] i915 0000:00:02.0: No connectors reported connected with modes |
| 02:20.07 | simonpatapon | in dmesg |
| 02:20.15 | simonpatapon | mean everythings fine but no monitor? |
| 02:20.30 | Brigo | simpbrain, it looks like, not sure. |
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| 02:21.18 | Brigo | simonpatapon, it was for you. |
| 02:21.22 | Brigo | check xrandr |
| 02:21.45 | simonpatapon | :) |
| 02:21.46 | simonpatapon | THX |
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| 02:22.34 | simonpatapon | http://pastebin.com/bx21X6i8 |
| 02:22.48 | simonpatapon | nothing about the VGA connector |
| 02:23.00 | simonpatapon | but only DVI-I-2 and 3 |
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| 02:24.40 | namba | Hello |
| 02:24.45 | Brigo | in my system vga appears as "DVI-I-0 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0" |
| 02:24.51 | simonpatapon | nice |
| 02:25.50 | namba | Im trying to change my xterm default font. How do i do that? I cant find the xresources file to edit. What can ido? |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | create the file |
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| 02:26.24 | simonpatapon | I already have EVGA 200-LM-1700 screens, i'll think I buy one more kit and hope for the VGAto DVI adaptor to work |
| 02:26.25 | namba | abrotman: Do i just add the text? Isnt there a template for it? |
| 02:26.37 | Brigo | i have to go, simonpatapon, good luck :) |
| 02:26.57 | simonpatapon | thx again Brigo |
| 02:27.18 | Brigo | simonpatapon, you are welcome :) |
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| 02:31.16 | namba | Also I saw many suggestions on the name of the file. Which one should i use for debian jessie? |
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| 02:31.36 | somiaj | namba: .Xresources are one line per config, the man page has the syntax. Lines should look something like "xterm*option: setting" such as xterm*foreground: white |
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| 02:31.56 | somiaj | namba: you will have to reload the database with 'xrdb -m ~/.Xresources' for it to take effect in your current session |
| 02:32.26 | namba | somiaj: Great. ill create the .Xresources file |
| 02:32.46 | somiaj | namba: I think .Xresources is the default one that is read at start. with xrdb it doens't matter what the file is called if you load the file with xrdb. |
| 02:33.05 | somiaj | and the man page for xterm should have the list of resources and options it accepts |
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| 02:35.20 | namba | somiaj: Thank you. What fonts are preinstalled in a netinst install? |
| 02:35.46 | Xavier89 | Hi |
| 02:35.47 | Xavier89 | help please |
| 02:36.05 | namba | somiaj: And which one do you recommend? |
| 02:36.15 | Xavier89 | W: No existe ninguna clave pública disponible para los siguientes identificadores de clave: |
| 02:36.15 | Xavier89 | AED4B06F473041FA |
| 02:36.24 | somiaj | namba: I just use the defaults, never been one who cared about fonts much. |
| 02:36.58 | namba | somiaj: Yes, thats good. How can i make them bigger? |
| 02:37.27 | namba | I love that the default config has a black bg and white font |
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| 02:38.02 | namba | Would like to have my fonts bigger though... |
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| 02:40.31 | namba | somiaj: Never mind, done it. I used my duck duck go-fu. |
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| 02:43.04 | abrotman | Xavier89: LANG=C apt-get update |
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| 02:43.51 | Xavier89 | abrotman W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1356982504 |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | oh, i bet so .. |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | Xavier89: apt-cache search keyring |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | either that, or ignore it |
| 02:44.44 | Xavier89 | install debian-archive-keyring or debian-keyring ? |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | both |
| 02:45.44 | Xavier89 | debian-archive-keyring ya está en su versión más reciente. |
| 02:45.44 | Xavier89 | Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS: |
| 02:45.45 | Xavier89 | debian-keyring |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | I still can't speak spanish .. but yes, just install it |
| 02:47.13 | Xavier89 | ok |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | and then run apt-get update again .. see if it helps (though, I suspect not) |
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| 02:48.36 | Xavier89 | W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1356982504 |
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| 02:49.32 | abrotman | I don't see anything in the archive about a newer key |
| 02:50.20 | Xavier89 | i do ? |
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| 02:51.09 | abrotman | Xavier89: ask #debian-mirror on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | sorryt, #debian-mirrors |
| 02:51.41 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 02:52.07 | asterismo | i'm trying to excecute jirc and i'm getting dependency errors |
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| 02:53.03 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/324953/ |
| 02:53.17 | asterismo | how do i fix this? |
| 02:53.30 | asterismo | is this package even working? its debian jessie |
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| 02:55.04 | asterismo | i'm trying to make an irc bot join a jabber chatroom |
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| 02:55.14 | asterismo | can this be done with some package in debian jessie? |
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| 03:24.28 | saph0 | = |
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| 03:47.24 | crypt0z_ | hi |
| 03:47.34 | crypt0z_ | i want to migrate from win to linux |
| 03:47.44 | crypt0z_ | A friend of mine recommended me Debian for my PC. |
| 03:47.55 | Igel | do it - debian is great. |
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| 03:48.08 | crypt0z_ | And to go here for hasking for help |
| 03:48.19 | crypt0z_ | So, my first problem, how to verify the integrity of an iso file? |
| 03:48.40 | Igel | skip it |
| 03:48.44 | crypt0z_ | i went to the debian official page, but was unable to find user friendly help |
| 03:49.01 | crypt0z_ | Igel: really? is it safe? |
| 03:49.03 | Igel | just install it, then verify the iso image when you are in your new debian install |
| 03:49.09 | Igel | then i can support you :) |
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| 03:49.27 | acebarry | What he means is, verifying software from within Windows tends to be very cumbersome. |
| 03:49.34 | Igel | no, im joking. i dont know how ---^ |
| 03:49.41 | crypt0z_ | i actually run the laptop of my friends |
| 03:49.51 | crypt0z_ | who have a linux distrib on it |
| 03:49.53 | SuppliedR3lic | I NEED SUPPORT! https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NWoKCxTm/cat_tickle.gif-c200 problem with D.S.L. Modam and // or 56-Khz t0mb0 Dry_Lips ChuMar1 TheQuestionmark dfoolz hostdog Liam` unascribed CyberSix brizz kalz InFerNo_ nikomo zupzupper austin987 ikeigenwijs_ abferm esde roflbot Pucilowski COCKSTUFFER! [AMSG] |
| 03:49.57 | crypt0z_ | i wipe my windows drive |
| 03:49.57 | crypt0z_ | xD |
| 03:50.00 | crypt0z_ | WIPED* |
| 03:50.04 | crypt0z_ | wiped* |
| 03:50.14 | crypt0z_ | by mistake :p |
| 03:50.54 | crypt0z_ | Igel: so? |
| 03:50.56 | Igel | good. Debian won't slow you down. |
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| 03:51.11 | crypt0z_ | ^^ |
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| 03:51.42 | Igel | just format your usb drive so you can boot and install from it |
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| 03:51.51 | crypt0z_ | ok |
| 03:51.52 | Igel | just download unetbootin |
| 03:52.02 | Igel | that can copy the files over |
| 03:52.07 | Igel | you may need FAT32 format USB |
| 03:52.11 | crypt0z_ | i use Brasero with a DVD RW |
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| 03:52.25 | dvs | !unetbootin |
| 03:52.26 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 03:52.52 | Igel | good luck https://launchpad.net/unetbootin/+download |
| 03:52.56 | crypt0z_ | xD |
| 03:53.25 | crypt0z_ | "Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images " Well thanks for your help! :D but i think you just want to bug myPC |
| 03:53.32 | crypt0z_ | ^^ |
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| 03:54.46 | dvs | !win32diskimager |
| 03:54.47 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 03:54.53 | abrotman | Igel: do not recommend unetbootin, it's broken |
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| 03:55.22 | Igel | naw... is it? |
| 03:55.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:55.54 | karlpinc | crypt0z_: It also never hurts to look at the installation manual. It says _everything_. |
| 03:55.59 | Igel | broken how? |
| 03:56.26 | abrotman | It doesn't work with hybrid ISOs correctly, just don't recommend it |
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| 03:57.43 | karlpinc | crypt0z_: (Although people generally don't read. They just start poking their PC with a stick and come here for help when there's issues. Which works, for some value of "works".) |
| 03:57.46 | Igel | goodnight |
| 04:00.05 | Jan\ | anyone know a site where they share server scripts ? |
| 04:00.17 | Jan\ | like, a script to setup a new server |
| 04:01.30 | abrotman | set up for what? |
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| 04:03.26 | beepie | !initramfs |
| 04:03.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initramfs is the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
| 04:04.08 | beepie | i'd like to try to copy a file to / of initrd, my hook script is not working |
| 04:04.12 | beepie | :/ |
| 04:05.42 | beepie | nm i just had to use chmod.. worked |
| 04:05.45 | beepie | lol |
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| 04:09.43 | Jan\ | abrotman: a site you just pick what you want ot install and it gives you a script for it |
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| 04:14.28 | Gerowen | Jan\: What services are you wanting to set up? Shouldn't be a ton that needs scripting. Install the services, make edits to the config, open firewall, done. You can even run "tasksel" as root and it'll re-run the little checkbox thing that you see in the Debian installer to let you install default configurations for SSH, HTTP, etc. |
| 04:14.31 | crypt0z_ | my mouse and keyboard aren't recognize during the installation process? |
| 04:15.25 | dvs | unetbootin? |
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| 04:19.03 | Gerowen | crypt0z: Are you actually making it to the installer, or just to the first menu with options like, "Install" and "Graphical Install"? |
| 04:20.05 | crypt0z_ | Gerowen: installer |
| 04:20.19 | crypt0z_ | the keyboard works fine when i have to choose graphical installer ect.. |
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| 04:41.09 | virgosun | ? |
| 04:42.17 | virgosun | which is the best browser for debian |
| 04:43.55 | Gerowen | virgosun: Personally I use Google Chrome because Firefox (Iceweasel in Debian) feels a tad sluggish, and although Chromium is technically Chrome, it doesn't come with support for playing encrypted content, so I can't use Chromium for watching Netflix, so I use Google Chrome. |
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| 04:45.27 | grepper | if one were to be using mplayer*, which is the suggested one now in debian, MPlayer or mplayer2? |
| 04:47.49 | wadadli | any one here that switched from gentoo to debian? why? |
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| 04:50.54 | zykotick9 | wadadli: see "/msg dpkg greenhouse" for one reason ;) |
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| 04:55.15 | wadadli | zykotick9: that's funny ;p; |
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| 05:00.07 | zykotick9 | grepper: you might want to check out mpv as well... doesn't support framebuffer, but so long as you're using X it's got some nice features... |
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| 05:09.50 | x86_64 | x is at xxx.com |
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| 05:09.54 | x86_64 | uh |
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| 06:14.09 | grepper | zykotick9: yes, mpv is good. Really asking because I am supporting both mplayer and mplayer2 in my project and was wondering if mplayer2 support was on the way out in favour of MPlayer |
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| 06:44.48 | mrtesty | Can debian by default support Intel graphics well? |
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| 06:55.49 | mo1991reg | it has been a while since I bought a wireless network card. Can someone recommend me a decent n or g card that has full linux capability, aka monitor mode, etc that works out of the box? |
| 06:56.31 | mo1991reg | or point me to the a site that has this? There is a good list on debian, but it seems to me only some drivers will allow monitor mode, aka, full functions of the wifi card. |
| 06:57.03 | mo1991reg | ideally modern hardware pci express |
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| 08:01.18 | d3fault_ | anyone know of a program that accepts mpeg2 bytes on stdin (psbly with video info (such as size) passed as cmdline args if necessary) and spits out dvd-video iso9660 on stdout? |
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| 08:03.21 | d3fault_ | background: for no reason whatsoever, I'm trying to write "url2disc". You supply the url of a video in any format, and it burns it directly to disc without ever having to save the video to hdd. |
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| 08:10.56 | Ynnaf | hey, I'm trying to use the "libertine" font package |
| 08:11.20 | Ynnaf | what are the name of the actual fonts to use in a text file to compare them with the standard "times new roman" ? |
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| 08:14.22 | d3fault_ | Ynnaf: are you asking for the file paths of the fonts O_o? |
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| 08:14.46 | Ynnaf | no, their actual name, I'm not familiar with the font kingdom ^^' |
| 08:15.07 | Ynnaf | I'm looking on wikipedia, seem thatr it's "liberation *something" |
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| 08:17.43 | Ynnaf | yup, fond them, sorry for too early disturbance, I'm just unconfortable with the area, needed a virtual hugg x) |
| 08:17.48 | Ynnaf | *found |
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| 08:27.35 | deepy | What's the sytemd way of restarting a service? |
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| 08:29.42 | ChrisH | deepy: systemctl restart some.service |
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| 08:29.58 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 08:30.05 | deepy | That syntax is silly and it doesn't tell me the result :-( |
| 08:30.14 | deepy | my haproxy is not starting up and I'm not being told why |
| 08:30.21 | tite12345 | How do I change the way composing message is written in Icedove? |
| 08:30.30 | tite12345 | It's currently in plain text mode. |
| 08:30.56 | tite12345 | I'd like to switch to HTML - so that I can do stuff too like hyperlinks, etc. |
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| 08:43.45 | Ynnaf | deepy: use systemctl status <app> |
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| 08:44.59 | ChrisH | deepy: if it does not tell you anything then it was OK. Or at least the start script did not thow an error. |
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| 08:45.42 | Ynnaf | tite12345: you might want to ask at #thunderbird or #mozilla ; I don't use thunderbird personnaly (claw-mail rulez !). Good luck. |
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| 08:46.01 | Ynnaf | *claws >< |
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| 08:47.05 | ChrisH | tite12345: SHIFT+compose-new-mail button if you only wirte HTML Mails from time to time. |
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| 08:49.35 | deepy | tite12345: if icedove/thunderbird is not set in stone I'd recommend looking at geany |
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| 08:50.51 | devslash2 | whats the name of the default windows manager |
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| 08:54.54 | devslash2 | is anyone here? |
| 08:56.27 | ChrisH | devslash2: the one you installed |
| 08:56.56 | devslash2 | i didnt |
| 08:57.05 | devslash2 | does debian i386 come headless by default |
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| 08:57.19 | devslash2 | its still installing. its almost done |
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| 08:58.42 | ChrisH | devslash2: Again, it depends on your selection. |
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| 09:00.13 | devslash2 | ok I just got the prompt and didnt install one |
| 09:00.41 | ChrisH | then login, and run eg. apt-get install kde to get KDE |
| 09:01.21 | TomyWork | my wheezy vagrant boxes that worked perfectly last week refuse to apt-get update today. has there been a signature change or something? |
| 09:01.26 | devslash2 | actually no I want it to be headless |
| 09:01.44 | ChrisH | devslash2: then you got what you want :) |
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| 09:02.13 | devslash2 | thanks, I didnt know if a desktop manager was automatically installed or not |
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| 09:28.09 | Spartapatate | Hey x( I had issues with NTP and moved to Chrony, but it appears it's /still/ not setting the system clock after -something- happening overnight |
| 09:28.20 | Spartapatate | I'm guessing the 'something' is VM suspend by backup system |
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| 09:28.39 | Spartapatate | Either way using ntpd net about 70 min drifts after that, and chrony gives me 40 min drifts |
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| 09:28.51 | Spartapatate | it doesn't seem to want to correct them though. what am i doing wrong ? |
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| 09:34.08 | x86_64 | is this a valid usage: sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | pv | gzip -9c > Packages.gz |
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| 09:39.13 | ChrisH | Spartapatate: chrony shopuld be able to cope with suspending and Co. |
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| 09:43.58 | x86_64 | okay seems to be correct |
| 09:43.59 | x86_64 | tahnks |
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| 09:47.37 | Spartapatate | ChrisH: actually, it seems it does try to, but adjusts the clock too slowly for it to matter |
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| 09:49.22 | jelly | Spartapatate: suspending the system for 40 minutes without it being aware... is probably what you're doing wrong |
| 09:49.38 | Spartapatate | jelly: i just did a 1 minute suspend |
| 09:49.42 | Spartapatate | got a 2H clockdrift |
| 09:50.04 | Spartapatate | funnily enough, it only happens on VMs using a particular application, i'll try raising a bug with them... who knows |
| 09:50.10 | jelly | Spartapatate: was it a suspend initiated from inside VM via emaulated acpi? |
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| 09:50.44 | jelly | Spartapatate: is it 2H precisely? |
| 09:50.49 | Spartapatate | no clue. hard suspend in VMware, but i'm assuming the vmtoolsd have some kind of assist for that |
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| 09:51.01 | Spartapatate | no jelly, approx 2h, doesn't seem like a TZ issue |
| 09:51.03 | Spartapatate | i'll doublecheck |
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| 09:51.34 | Spartapatate | hm, it's "close enough" that it could be that :p |
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| 09:52.53 | Spartapatate | doesn't explain why it happens only on 2 machines running JIRA :x |
| 09:55.34 | Spartapatate | i'll have to figure out why suspending broke routing this time first... -sigh-... VMs are such a mess |
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| 10:01.30 | Spartapatate | ok, that one was a VMware bug..... -sigh |
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| 10:04.07 | boser | hello. i have a little problem. i have jessie with virtual-box. now i want to install openSUSE-Leap-42.1-64bit in it, but i can only user Linux/openSUSE/32-bit System. Where can i find a solution to install a 64-bit System on a 32-bit-arch? |
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| 10:04.50 | Spartapatate | you can't do that boser, at least not with hardware accel |
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| 10:05.51 | Spartapatate | 64-bit processors have a 32-bit mode, but the reverse is not true |
| 10:05.56 | Spartapatate | afaik |
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| 10:06.14 | Spartapatate | you could run a 64-bit system on 32-bit in a full emulator though |
| 10:06.23 | Spartapatate | but it'll be much slower than a modern virtual machine |
| 10:06.47 | boser | is the a add-on or a patch for the virtuallbox to get a Linux/64-bit-arch ? the virtuellbox ist that von debian. |
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| 10:07.33 | Spartapatate | jelly: configured chrony with makestep 1 -1 and it jumps back to correct time as soon as connected back to ntp... it's not perfect, but better than nothing x( |
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| 10:08.09 | boser | debian 8 and yesterday i install teh virtuall-box. that's all fresh. |
| 10:08.21 | boser | h<->e |
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| 10:10.30 | Spartapatate | still can't reproduce on machines not running JIRA, i guess i'll really raise a bug with them |
| 10:10.30 | dagerik | how can I install roby 2.1 on debian 7? |
| 10:10.31 | Spartapatate | :( |
| 10:10.39 | trewas | boser: virtualbox supports 64bit guest on 32bit host (if that was what you are asking), but that needs cpu support for virtualization |
| 10:10.44 | dagerik | Spartapatate: raise a JIRA |
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| 10:16.41 | boser | trewas: let my ask so. i habe debian 8/64-bit jessie aas host-system. I try to install in the VB openSUE-Leap-64-bit-System. If i try to create a Virtual-PC-Maschine, i can opnly select a Linux/openSUSE/32-bit-Arch. And now my question, does it work or not? |
| 10:16.51 | boser | -a |
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| 10:21.01 | trewas | boser: 64bit guest actually always needs hw support, available in virtualbox settings system/acceleration enable vt-x/amd-v... and those features might need to be enabled in bios |
| 10:21.29 | Spartapatate | trewas: wait, really ? you can virt 64-on-32 ? |
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| 10:22.26 | Spartapatate | that's pretty cool |
| 10:22.28 | Spartapatate | i never knew :D |
| 10:22.31 | trewas | Spartapatate: yeah, I was quite surprised about that |
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| 10:28.40 | boser | ok, my laptop is to old, i can switch on in the bios that function. :( |
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| 10:29.26 | boser | my laptop is a 'travelmate 6410' from Acer. |
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| 10:30.36 | jelly | boser: can you just pick a generic 64bit linux when creating a guest, and install whatever inside? |
| 10:30.58 | boser | no, every arch a 32-bit |
| 10:31.19 | boser | or let my check. |
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| 10:31.58 | Bratishka | ÐÑаÑиÑки! |
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| 10:32.07 | Bratishka | ÐÑ Ð²ÑÑ ÐµÑÑ Ð¶ÑÑÑе ÑÐ²Ð¾Ñ Ð³Ð¾Ð²Ð½Ð¾ systemd? |
| 10:32.17 | lexxus-lex | Privet vsem |
| 10:32.24 | Bratishka | ÐбÑÑеÑÑ Ñ ÑÑн жиÑнÑми, как ÑиÑаÑд СÑоллман? |
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| 10:32.51 | Bookman900 | Bonjour! |
| 10:32.56 | lexxus-lex | Davaite vse vmeste skajem, 4to Debian huje Ubuntu |
| 10:33.05 | Bratishka | Ðебиан говниÑе ебаное |
| 10:33.10 | Bratishka | ФедоÑа и СолÑÑка! |
| 10:33.14 | Bratishka | ÐÑавоÑлавно и кÑÑÑо! |
| 10:33.17 | Bookman900 | Comment Je puex faire un .deb de la RPM? |
| 10:33.18 | Bratishka | ÐÑÑин одобÑил |
| 10:33.22 | Bookman900 | peux* |
| 10:33.22 | petn-randall | !rs |
| 10:33.23 | dpkg | A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sound daemons and similar things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general), get one and be happy. |
| 10:33.27 | petn-randall | !.rs |
| 10:33.28 | lexxus-lex | dnishe |
| 10:33.38 | Bratishka | Я ебанÑй Ð¿Ð¸Ð´Ð¾Ñ ÑÐ°Ñ Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð²ÑеÑ
вÑÐµÐ±Ñ ÑÑÑ |
| 10:33.40 | petn-randall | Bratishka: This channel is english only. |
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| 10:33.50 | Bratishka | petn-randall ÑоÑÑи |
| 10:33.58 | Bratishka | :) |
| 10:34.00 | lexxus-lex | Bratishka pishi translitom |
| 10:34.06 | lexxus-lex | :) |
| 10:34.10 | Bratishka | okay |
| 10:34.20 | woffs | !ru |
| 10:34.20 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 10:34.26 | Bratishka | lexxus-lex ti znal chat Debian ebuchee goon? |
| 10:34.31 | Bratishka | govno; |
| 10:34.34 | lexxus-lex | da |
| 10:34.37 | lexxus-lex | znal |
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| 10:34.51 | lexxus-lex | Ya eto davno govoril |
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| 10:34.53 | Bratishka | lexxus-lex tolko fedora kruche vseg |
| 10:34.59 | woffs | ниÑево ;-) |
| 10:35.01 | lexxus-lex | eto uje aksioma |
| 10:35.32 | Bookman900 | woffs: Francais? Non? |
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| 10:35.33 | boser | jelly: no chnce. nothing works for my. ok, i need a new laptop. :-) |
| 10:35.34 | Bratishka | woffs uhodi |
| 10:35.55 | Bratishka | boser tee nuzhen noviy huy |
| 10:35.55 | petn-randall | !ops Bratishka is cursing around in russian. |
| 10:35.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: Bratishka is cursing around in russian. |
| 10:36.26 | lexxus-lex | haha |
| 10:36.26 | Bratishka | petn-randall ti ebanootiy? |
| 10:36.28 | lexxus-lex | loh |
| 10:36.30 | lexxus-lex | :) |
| 10:36.36 | Bratishka | lexxus-lex sam ti loh |
| 10:36.41 | Bookman900 | Qu'est-ce passe ici? |
| 10:36.52 | lexxus-lex | sha tebya nagnut za vsy ukrainu :) |
| 10:36.57 | Bratishka | Bookman900 hole ti na franzuskom molvish? |
| 10:37.16 | Bratishka | lexxus-lex mb one ukrainsku movu lubyat |
| 10:37.21 | nkuttler | !fr |
| 10:37.21 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 10:37.31 | lexxus-lex | !ua |
| 10:37.32 | dpkg | Ukraine - ua ukr 804 User Agent. It refers to web clients, and what they send to the web server as "who they are". It can be easily faked. |
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| 10:37.36 | lexxus-lex | ahaha |
| 10:37.40 | boser | !de |
| 10:37.40 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 10:37.45 | woffs | russian in latin letters looks very weird |
| 10:37.47 | nkuttler | lexxus-lex: plese speak English in here |
| 10:37.47 | Bratishka | Oy lol |
| 10:38.05 | Bratishka | nkuttler its better version of English |
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| 10:38.23 | Bratishka | nkuttler English 2.0 Ukranian Edition |
| 10:38.35 | nkuttler | Bratishka: you're off topic |
| 10:38.53 | Bratishka | nkuttler sorry suka nahui shel blyat |
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| 10:39.42 | petn-randall | nkuttler: You will only get curses out of them. Better to +q them both. |
| 10:39.54 | nkuttler | petn-randall: i'm not an op |
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| 10:41.50 | Bookman900 | !fr |
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| 10:41.54 | petn-randall | jelly: Thanks. |
| 10:42.13 | lexxus-lex | jelly spasibo |
| 10:42.25 | lexxus-lex | eti hohli real'no zaebali |
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| 10:44.18 | woffs | in Jessie with systemd and /var on a separate partition, /var gets written before it's mounted. |
| 10:44.37 | jelly | doesn't happen to me. |
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| 10:44.59 | woffs | seems just /var/lock, is there a package which did not do the transition to /run/lock ? |
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| 10:45.41 | jelly | mmm, yeah that shouldn't really happen |
| 10:47.01 | jelly | so, what oes get written? |
| 10:47.13 | petn-randall | woffs: You can probably check by looking at what gets written there before mount. |
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| 10:48.24 | woffs | directories /var/lib /var/cache /var/spool /var/log /var/lib/systemd, file /var/log/wtmp |
| 10:49.06 | jelly | that's... quite a lot. Are you sure those did not preexist |
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| 10:51.20 | jelly | don't have a way to umount real /var and see if there was anything written before the mount, at the moment |
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| 10:51.45 | ewew | Will clean debian suffice ? |
| 10:51.46 | woffs | mount --bind / /mnt ; ls -l /mnt/var |
| 10:52.11 | woffs | MAYBE it has been a problem during installation. i'll check that. thanks. |
| 10:53.03 | ewew | woffs Did you make any changes on boot order ? |
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| 10:54.07 | jelly | ewew: try to avoid throwing random guesses |
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| 10:55.48 | jelly | woffs: I have a nontrivial amount of crap behind /var as well, but only /mnt2/var/log/uvcdynctrl-udev.log is recent |
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| 10:58.49 | penna | how do I ask dpgk about adding misc repo? |
| 11:00.30 | jelly | penna: any specific repo to add? |
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| 11:06.56 | penna | it is subrepo |
| 11:07.06 | penna | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/pastebinit |
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| 11:09.26 | ewew | penna It is in jessie also. |
| 11:09.38 | penna | seems like no for me |
| 11:10.07 | penna | Now it is... maybe typo. :) |
| 11:10.07 | ewew | .judd version pastebinit |
| 11:10.23 | penna | I forgot the b during searching... |
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| 11:19.05 | random1 | hi guys! my parents use Linux for years now, but my father got a new job and they need him to work on Microsoft Word's files. does anyone know a solution to make it work? (VMs, online solutions..?) |
| 11:21.46 | j3roen | random1: openoffice? libreoffice? |
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| 11:22.08 | Epakai | office 365 subscription, but plenty tools work with word format files |
| 11:22.18 | random1 | j3roen: he is already using libreoffice for daily use, but they use macros than do not work with libreoffice |
| 11:22.29 | random1 | Epakai: so it's an online tool right? |
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| 11:24.27 | penna | random1, is it very old pc? If not use virtualbox with any windows. Its easiest way to set it up. I ran even autocad in it |
| 11:24.28 | anddam | hello, trying to boot in single mode using grub2's default "recovery" entry results in a root fs mounted as rw even if the grub stanza has "ro" and "single" as kernel options. Why is that and how can I boot in ro given that a "mount -o remount" doesn't work since / is busy? |
| 11:25.08 | sdfgdgd | maybe is fstab ? |
| 11:25.26 | anddam | sdfgdgd: can you explain further? |
| 11:25.27 | random1 | penna: it's a not very powerful laptop, and I don't have any key for window's activation |
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| 11:26.24 | sdfgdgd | i don't know really if in grub recovery is reading /etc/fstab ( where the filesystems are configured ) maybe it's reading it |
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| 11:26.45 | penna | if those documents work in words only you should get a windows or such. or run a windows 7 in it. It should be enough and jail it via iptables or do not give any network access |
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| 11:28.19 | random1 | penna: Epakai's solution with Office 365 wouldn't allow him to work properly? |
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| 11:30.12 | penna | I seems to cost a lot. Dunno if its appropriate but you dad could try to ask all workers to not use M$ word. There are many other great text tools |
| 11:30.32 | random1 | already told him that, but it's the company policy (...) |
| 11:30.46 | random1 | there are already templates and things, they won't change |
| 11:31.14 | random1 | he already told them to f*** off when they asked him to connect to their network using a tool only available on windows |
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| 11:32.11 | anddam | sdfgdgd: me neither, I see it's loading an initrd and then passing "ro single" as last options |
| 11:32.29 | anddam | my rationale is running zerofree (this is a vbox VM) but I cannot with a rw fs |
| 11:32.35 | anddam | a rw-mounted, that is |
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| 11:33.23 | penna | random1, that is the right attitude |
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| 11:33.47 | random1 | ^^ |
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| 11:34.51 | penna | random1, also why doesn't his company give him a license? |
| 11:35.17 | longlongago | hi there, is there a package named gmodule-2.0 on debian ? |
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| 11:35.46 | arahael | penna, random1: office 365 is quite cheap as far as business expensss go. |
| 11:36.02 | arahael | especially for a 'production' tool. |
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| 11:37.19 | random1 | arahael: cheaper than windows 7 + microsoft office licenses I guess |
| 11:37.36 | random1 | and offering a full compatibility with their documents ? |
| 11:37.49 | arahael | random1: ostensibly, yes. :) |
| 11:37.54 | random1 | \o/ |
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| 11:37.57 | random1 | think i'll do that then |
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| 11:38.06 | arahael | random1: keep in mind... |
| 11:38.24 | arahael | random1: that ofice hasn't had a fantastic compatibility record. |
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| 11:38.30 | penna | Who needs gates in a world without fences. |
| 11:38.38 | random1 | haha, even with their own softwares ? |
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| 11:39.05 | random1 | I mean, working on word documents with office 365 in a web browser should be totally OK, right? |
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| 11:39.33 | arahael | random1: indeed. though ms word and excel, and powerpoint. but not, eg, publisher. |
| 11:39.48 | random1 | yeah, it's only for word & excel files (mostly word) |
| 11:39.57 | penna | Whats the difference between office on a windows and a office in a webbrowser? |
| 11:39.58 | random1 | so this solution seems OK :) thank everybody for your advises ! |
| 11:40.10 | arahael | random1: also well supported on android and ios |
| 11:40.16 | random1 | nice! |
| 11:40.21 | random1 | (but he's not a smartphone guy :P) |
| 11:40.27 | arahael | random1: infact, i wonder kf it works in linux now as a webapp? |
| 11:40.44 | random1 | "kf"? |
| 11:40.49 | boser | random1: for me not, because you rent a software, you don't buy it. So it is not your software. |
| 11:40.53 | arahael | random1: but the windows and mac versions wil have he most functionality. |
| 11:41.05 | arahael | kf = if... i'm irc'ing on a phome. |
| 11:41.11 | arahael | *phone. |
| 11:41.15 | random1 | oh ok ^^ |
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| 11:41.41 | random1 | boser: well you rent your internet connexion to your provider, you do not own it :P |
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| 11:42.11 | penna | so if he needs to use it over 3 years he could buy right away? |
| 11:42.16 | random1 | arahael: mh, I thought I understand but now I'm not sure ; it's not sure it will work on a web browser on linux ? |
| 11:42.20 | arahael | libreoffice is a reasonable alternative. |
| 11:42.30 | arahael | random1: i've never tried. |
| 11:42.41 | random1 | arahael: he is already using libreoffice, but some of their functionalities are not working |
| 11:42.59 | arahael | random1: which ones? |
| 11:43.08 | random1 | macros mostly (I do not know the detail though) |
| 11:43.36 | arahael | random1: libreoffice has it's own macros but... |
| 11:43.43 | random1 | yup, I know |
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| 11:44.00 | arahael | random1: even in office, you'll have portabiloty issues between versions. |
| 11:44.01 | p0g0_ | random1: autohotkey? You should/could remake the functionality of the macros without a huge effort. |
| 11:44.17 | p0g0_ | maybe anyway, depending on the macros.. |
| 11:44.29 | random1 | p0g0_: well if their macros were simple and well coded, I would totally do that |
| 11:44.30 | arahael | p0g0_: office macros are better described as plugins. |
| 11:44.34 | random1 | but as you can guess, that's not the case |
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| 11:44.52 | random1 | we're talking about files that takes 4 minutes to fully load |
| 11:45.02 | random1 | (and I have my own work xD) |
| 11:45.05 | p0g0_ | the macros take 4 minutes? |
| 11:45.13 | p0g0_ | just to load? |
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| 11:45.17 | random1 | that's what my father told me |
| 11:45.25 | random1 | didn't see it myself, as he saw it on a windows at work |
| 11:45.33 | deepy | random1: actually, with in ternet and electricity you're not renting something, you're buying capacity |
| 11:45.38 | p0g0_ | gee, that sounds bloated. I wonder if the data files are really huge too. |
| 11:45.55 | random1 | p0g0_: I think so, they are huge files |
| 11:46.06 | arahael | in any case. you're certainly vested in office. |
| 11:46.18 | random1 | deepy: well, same thing with office 365, isn't it? |
| 11:46.32 | arahael | $10/month or whatever ot costs is reasonable, yeah? |
| 11:46.39 | random1 | yup |
| 11:46.40 | random1 | totally |
| 11:46.50 | random1 | I mean, I'm not the one who pays |
| 11:46.51 | deepy | It's slightly different, you're not really buying capacity. You're subscribing to software as a service |
| 11:47.07 | random1 | (I don't get how that's a problem?) |
| 11:47.11 | deepy | Which isn't really that different, but the terms of what's ok and whats not and how you use it have significant differences |
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| 11:48.04 | random1 | but why isn't it OK to rent a software ? |
| 11:48.09 | random1 | for me it's like, renting a car |
| 11:49.00 | km0201 | random1, who says it's not OK? (fwiw, i think it's stupid.. but if they can find morons who are willing to do it.. why not) |
| 11:49.32 | arahael | random1: consider what happens when they *force* you to upgrade, at a time of their choosing, and those macros turn out to be incompatible wih the new version? |
| 11:49.39 | random1 | well if you want a car, but you don't have any place to park it, it may be better to rent one when you need ity |
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| 11:50.03 | km0201 | random1, that's an absurd analogy |
| 11:50.05 | random1 | arahael: well it'll will be my father's company problem |
| 11:50.08 | random1 | not mine or his |
| 11:50.14 | arahael | random1: yep... |
| 11:50.18 | random1 | km0201: you may be right, but I don't see why :s |
| 11:50.48 | deepy | Well, the only problem about renting software is if the terms changes or if the thing is discontinued |
| 11:50.48 | random1 | (I mean, it's a real question, not trying to convince of anything. I'm personnally not using microsoft services) |
| 11:51.03 | deepy | I have a client who bought an application eventually got forced into their cloud service, they closed down a year later |
| 11:51.50 | random1 | hum |
| 11:51.52 | random1 | I see your point |
| 11:51.57 | random1 | but it's not my choice, it's my father's |
| 11:51.59 | random1 | I'll ask him |
| 11:52.14 | deepy | Also got a friend who subscribed to a suite of application and they discontinued the one he primarily wanted |
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| 11:57.10 | random1 | anyway, thanks for your answers :) |
| 11:57.13 | du5tball | hi, i just tried installing ffmpeg, but apt-get can't find it. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 11:58.50 | km0201 | du5tball, assuming you're using jessie... https://wiki.debian.org/ffmpeg |
| 11:58.50 | themill | du5tball: what are you really trying to achieve? |
| 11:59.06 | du5tball | themill: installing ffmpeg and using it oO |
| 11:59.17 | themill | installing a package is not a goal in itself |
| 11:59.32 | ewew | ,v ffmpeg |
| 11:59.34 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:2.8.1-1; sid: 7:2.8.1-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.4-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.8.1-dmo3 |
| 11:59.38 | du5tball | video recording, convertigng, streaming |
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| 11:59.53 | ewew | ,v libav |
| 11:59.54 | judd | No package named 'libav' was found in amd64. |
| 12:00.31 | ewew | !libav |
| 12:00.31 | dpkg | Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in the Debian 7 Wheezy and 8 Jessie releases. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). http://libav.org/faq.html http://libav.org/ #libav on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:00.34 | themill | du5tball: ffmpeg doesn't actually do any of those things anyway, but libav-tools available in jessie of ffmpeg in jessie-backports |
| 12:01.05 | __marco | Hello. I want to create a deb of a program of mine. Where should I put the image files? /usr/share/pixmaps, /usr/share/my/.. |
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| 12:01.48 | themill | __marco: /usr/share/$package (pixmaps is for old-style icons) |
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| 12:02.38 | __marco | themill: what do you mean with old-style icons? Is it the old path for icons? |
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| 12:03.06 | themill | xpm icons for menu systems that noone uses any more |
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| 12:03.11 | __marco | because I have two types of images: an icon and program's images |
| 12:03.17 | __marco | ok |
| 12:03.26 | du5tball | ah jessie-backports, there it is. thanks |
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| 12:10.32 | CruX|_ | in debian8.2 i still have issue with liblapack3 when i'm trying to install libreoffice calc |
| 12:10.39 | CruX|_ | will be this fixed ? |
| 12:10.59 | CruX|_ | Setting up liblapack3 (3.5.0-4) ... |
| 12:10.59 | CruX|_ | update-alternatives: error: alternative liblapack.so.3gf can't be slave of liblapack.so.3: it is a master alternative |
| 12:11.02 | CruX|_ | dpkg: error processing package liblapack3 (--configure): |
| 12:11.02 | dpkg | crux|_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 12:11.20 | nachos | Anyone got awesome + gnome working on sid? |
| 12:12.10 | ewew | !sid |
| 12:12.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 12:12.25 | nachos | Ha! |
| 12:12.25 | ewew | !debian-next |
| 12:12.25 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. |
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| 12:52.31 | r0xtedy | hey guys |
| 12:52.46 | r0xtedy | whats the most bugfree and developed window manager in jessie ? |
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| 12:54.44 | themill | r0xtedy: that's not a question that can get a useful answer. You can easily install several and try them out for yourself. |
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| 12:58.01 | r0xtedy | themill: I know I can |
| 12:58.17 | themill | great! |
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| 12:58.20 | r0xtedy | but I want some suggestion from people with their experience |
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| 12:59.13 | quantic | r0xtedy: polling questions like that aren't going to get you useful data. just try some wms and go with one you like. |
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| 13:00.39 | r0xtedy | I have to install it on 10 machines |
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| 13:00.43 | r0xtedy | thats why I ask |
| 13:00.51 | r0xtedy | trying one for one or 2 days alone |
| 13:00.53 | r0xtedy | isnt a experience |
| 13:00.58 | r0xtedy | its just first impression |
| 13:01.11 | r0xtedy | thats why I need experienced answers |
| 13:01.13 | quantic | r0xtedy: no, but testing software before wider deployment is a thing. you're not going to get a useful answer here. |
| 13:01.18 | r0xtedy | and thats why I am on this channel |
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| 13:01.47 | r0xtedy | quantic: Id just like to ingore such answers like yours |
| 13:01.51 | r0xtedy | if you do not have anythign to say |
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| 13:01.56 | r0xtedy | just be quiet |
| 13:01.59 | r0xtedy | okay? |
| 13:02.11 | abrotman | r0xtedy: We can't answer that for you, we have no idea what your usage cases are. |
| 13:02.14 | r0xtedy | I have a job to do and I am on #debian channel |
| 13:02.15 | vamps | r0xtedy: quantic is right |
| 13:02.17 | r0xtedy | where I can ask |
| 13:02.30 | abrotman | You can't, because no one has enough information |
| 13:02.39 | r0xtedy | its mainly office usage |
| 13:02.42 | r0xtedy | libreoffice |
| 13:02.45 | r0xtedy | and thunderbird |
| 13:02.51 | r0xtedy | +web client |
| 13:02.51 | abrotman | and stop hitting enter every third word |
| 13:02.55 | themill | takes away r0xtedy's enter key |
| 13:03.03 | quantic | r0xtedy: It's probably a bad idea to ask for help, then tell the person answering you to be quiet because you don't like what you're hearing. |
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| 13:03.31 | r0xtedy | quantic: you havent anserder the question, you just have put your "VERY USEFUL" opinion |
| 13:03.44 | r0xtedy | you can go to church and discuss with your father such things |
| 13:03.51 | r0xtedy | not with the people who are looking for answers |
| 13:03.54 | themill | r0xtedy: you've got as much of an answer as you're going to get with a vague question |
| 13:03.57 | abrotman | r0xtedy: Several people have told you the same thing. |
| 13:04.05 | r0xtedy | so |
| 13:04.11 | r0xtedy | on this channel are 1693 people |
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| 13:04.18 | abrotman | no, 1693 things ... |
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| 13:04.34 | themill | r0xtedy: let me know when you have a question that actually has an answer |
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| 13:05.29 | vamps | wow... that was weird |
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| 13:05.47 | Toze_das_Coves | Hey guys! |
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| 13:05.51 | quantic | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 13:19.03 | krasimir | hi all . do you know how can I set the log_file_path for exim ? |
| 13:19.10 | CruX|_ | are there repository with latest evolution ? |
| 13:19.31 | krasimir | I will want to send all logging to stdout |
| 13:19.51 | abrotman | CruX|_: what is the latest? |
| 13:19.57 | krasimir | echo "log_file_path='/dev/stdout'" >> /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template && \ |
| 13:19.57 | krasimir | update-exim4.conf |
| 13:20.01 | abrotman | krasimir: that seems like a weird/poor idea |
| 13:20.36 | abrotman | krasimir: you might get a better answer in #exim (/me would think /dev/console perhaps?) |
| 13:20.40 | CruX|_ | abrotman: 3.18.x |
| 13:20.52 | CruX|_ | in deb 8.2 there is 3.12.x |
| 13:21.07 | abrotman | /dev/xconsole ? |
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| 13:21.14 | abrotman | judd: versions evolution |
| 13:21.15 | judd | Package: evolution on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.3-5; wheezy: 3.4.4-3; jessie: 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1+b1; sid: 3.18.1-1; stretch: 3.18.1-1 |
| 13:21.37 | abrotman | CruX|_: you'd have to use testing or unstable |
| 13:22.02 | krasimir | abrotman: the problem is only that update-exim4.conf returns option "log_file_path" unknown |
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| 13:22.40 | abrotman | krasimir: can you pastebin your exim config " |
| 13:22.41 | abrotman | ? |
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| 13:23.15 | krasimir | one sec |
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| 13:28.38 | Mathisen | okej i have a 3 year+ debian machine runing @ home but i totaly forgot the root password what should i do ? |
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| 13:29.08 | Mathisen | reinstall only option ? |
| 13:29.10 | ewew | Mathisen Physical access is available ? |
| 13:29.19 | Mathisen | yes ofc im looking @ it |
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| 13:29.57 | themill | dpkg: tell Mathisen about ifrp |
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| 13:30.48 | Mathisen | thx |
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| 13:32.22 | ThiagoCupim | Hello all! |
| 13:33.03 | ThiagoCupim | Can someone help me? |
| 13:33.14 | ewew | !ask |
| 13:33.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:33.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Mathisen about ifrp |
| 13:33.24 | abrotman | oh .. bah |
| 13:33.34 | abrotman | Mathisen: apologies for the repeat |
| 13:34.16 | Mathisen | :) |
| 13:35.06 | themill | dpkg, confuse abrotman |
| 13:35.06 | dpkg | No, how was their snake today, abrotman? Wellies of the Republic of Liechtenstein with extra ham. |
| 13:35.17 | abrotman | dpkg: prise themill |
| 13:35.17 | dpkg | blows themill apart with a lightly oiled explosive |
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| 13:36.20 | jiggawattz | ThiagoCupim ⤠What's your question bro? |
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| 13:36.43 | ThiagoCupim | I'm using Debian 8... I know create files at CLI... How can i create a empty file with right-click? |
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| 13:37.07 | jiggawattz | ThiagoCupim ⤠Are you running GNOME? KDE? |
| 13:37.16 | ThiagoCupim | Gnome |
| 13:37.46 | jiggawattz | well, gedit is a tool for text files |
| 13:38.34 | jiggawattz | I don't think there is a context option for creating an empty file, though... |
| 13:38.40 | jiggawattz | Maybe try #gnome |
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| 13:39.24 | jiggawattz | If you want to *edit* an existing file.... you can access gedit through the right-click ("context") menu |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | You can't right click to create a new text file? |
| 13:39.46 | jiggawattz | abrotman ⤠in Gnome? I don't recall but maybe |
| 13:39.48 | jiggawattz | doens't use gnome |
| 13:39.56 | ThiagoCupim | Yes... I'm looking for a context option for create files... Debian 8 don't have... |
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| 13:40.23 | ThiagoCupim | I will try #gnome |
| 13:40.25 | jiggawattz | ThiagoCupim ⤠I believe you can in Xfce but I may be wrong..... |
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| 13:41.50 | vamps | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687139 ... |
| 13:42.58 | jiggawattz | there ya go |
| 13:43.28 | ThiagoCupim | maybe there are a plugin for Gnome 3 |
| 13:43.42 | vamps | ThiagoCupim: read the bug report, you can if you create a template |
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| 13:44.18 | vamps | or read http://worldofgnome.org/how-to-create-an-empty-document-in-files/ |
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| 13:45.39 | ThiagoCupim | vamps: Thank you!! |
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| 13:48.42 | Katharsis | what is the name of package for bash autocomplete? |
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| 13:48.55 | Katharsis | after clicking tab there is no results on my fresh vps |
| 13:49.03 | themill | apt-get install bash<tab><tab> |
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| 13:50.09 | jelly | except... that completion won't work before you install bash<tab><tab> ? |
| 13:50.16 | jiggawattz | lol |
| 13:50.18 | jiggawattz | bash-completion iirc |
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| 13:50.23 | jelly | ,i bash-completion |
| 13:50.24 | judd | Package bash-completion (shells, standard) in jessie/amd64: programmable completion for the bash shell. Version: 1:2.1-4; Size: 177.8k; Installed: 929k; Homepage: http://bash-completion.alioth.debian.org |
| 13:50.25 | jiggawattz | apt-get install bash-completion |
| 13:50.37 | themill | jelly: lies! |
| 13:50.50 | jelly | what do I know, using zsh since '96 |
| 13:51.00 | jiggawattz | zsh is that old? |
| 13:51.11 | jelly | older but yes |
| 13:51.16 | jiggawattz | I used that in like '06 |
| 13:51.20 | jiggawattz | thought it was new age shit |
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| 13:52.01 | puntocom | ksh here |
| 13:52.10 | jiggawattz | how korny |
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| 13:58.08 | __marco | how can I find more informations about linutian's warnings? menu-icon-uses-relative-path |
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| 13:58.58 | themill | __marco: lintian-info -t menu-icon-uses-relative-path |
| 13:59.16 | themill | (also, just ignore menu files) |
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| 14:00.36 | doerno | Hi.I'm facing freezes in Debian 8 under Vbox |
| 14:00.44 | doerno | It freezes randomly |
| 14:01.07 | ewew | doerno dmesg ? |
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| 14:01.23 | hoarse | I'm having some issue with a binary that worked well in an older release of Debian, but not on Debian 8. It's complaining about a missing library (libpam). It's installed as 64 bit library, but I thought Debian 8 should support multiarch? How could I fix this? |
| 14:01.52 | abrotman | did you configure multiarch? |
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| 14:02.23 | hoarse | Hmmm no, I assumed it was done by default. |
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| 14:03.08 | hoarse | The problem is I'm quite scared to break other stuff, since it's a production server with many other critical applications |
| 14:03.23 | doerno | here you are ewew http://paste.debian.net/325713/ |
| 14:03.24 | somiaj | !tell hoarse about multiarch |
| 14:03.38 | somiaj | hoarse: you need to enable multiarch and then install the correct 32bit libs if that is the problem |
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| 14:05.06 | hoarse | OK, thanks for the idea |
| 14:06.04 | ewew | doerno Ok. I doen not complain in dmesg. How much it freezes ? Whole pc or just vbox ? |
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| 14:07.05 | doerno | just vbox under mac OS |
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| 14:07.15 | doerno | it freezes for a couple of minutes |
| 14:07.24 | doerno | now it freezed in terminal |
| 14:08.51 | __marco | themill: thanks, but why shall I? |
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| 14:09.01 | ewew | I suggest to ask in #vbox. |
| 14:09.07 | ewew | doerno |
| 14:09.24 | doerno | I think its debian issue |
| 14:09.40 | themill | __marco: ? |
| 14:09.51 | __marco | themill: Someone else created the packaged, I am trying to fix few warnings |
| 14:10.02 | __marco | themill: why should I ignore the menu files? |
| 14:10.07 | doerno | searching on the web i found a a file whitch describes xfce4 errors but I can't remember how to find it again :P |
| 14:10.33 | themill | __marco: the menu system is being phased out. I don't think it's a good use of time to learn about it or even fix problems with it at this stage |
| 14:10.53 | __marco | themill: ah, ok. |
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| 14:14.02 | abrotman | doerno: which part is freezing? Is your vbox up to date? and your Debian? |
| 14:14.11 | doerno | yes it is up to date |
| 14:14.15 | doerno | and debian as well |
| 14:14.24 | doerno | all system is freezing |
| 14:14.38 | ewew | current vbox version is 5.0.8 |
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| 14:14.57 | doerno | yes |
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| 14:18.52 | abrotman | doerno: I have the same, and it works fine for me .. tried another distro on vbox to see if it acts the same? |
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| 14:20.01 | doerno | yes this could be an option |
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| 14:20.20 | doerno | but I need to figure it out what cause the problem.I'm sure that it is a debian issue |
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| 14:24.20 | abrotman | doerno: Right, try another distro, see if it repeats |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | doerno: or try it again, but try just CLI for a bit |
| 14:24.47 | doerno | what you mean with cli ? |
| 14:24.56 | abrotman | no GUI |
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| 14:26.36 | anddam | doerno: I constantly use that setup, it's not a debian specific issue |
| 14:26.57 | anddam | there's likely something wrong on Your Side of The Internet (tm) |
| 14:27.34 | doerno | hmm I think that I can't understand what you are saying.I'm really sorry. |
| 14:27.41 | anddam | doerno: let me rephrase |
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| 14:28.18 | anddam | doerno: I use debian virtual machines in VirtualBox on Mac OS X 10.10.5, nothing's freezing ever so I guess there's an issue on your computer |
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| 14:29.45 | doerno | for sure it is on my computer.I assume that due to the fact I install and uninstall packages all the time in order to test the linux dist I made it corrupted |
| 14:29.53 | anddam | doerno: also don't say "it's up to date", it's better to say "I'm using Debian-something-amd64.iso from http://some.place/ with VirtualBox 5.x.y on OS X 10.a.b" |
| 14:30.02 | doerno | I'm using this setup for a year with no problems at all |
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| 14:30.22 | doerno | I didn't know that.Thank you. |
| 14:30.30 | anddam | well something changed, nobody has problems, until he has |
| 14:30.47 | anddam | doerno: that's a big IMHO, but I'm for quantitative over qualitative |
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| 14:31.39 | doerno | I'm using debian amd64.iso from debian.com under Vbox 5.0.8 and OS x 10.9.5 |
| 14:31.46 | anddam | also you increase the chances that someone is able to help you (cf. http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ) |
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| 14:31.57 | doerno | and also xfce4 |
| 14:32.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
| 14:32.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am having trouble booting a debian machine, |
| 14:32.36 | jiggawattz | Eryn_1983_FL ⤠did you push the power button? |
| 14:32.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | its waiting on my network interface, is there a way to bypass it? some keyboard option |
| 14:32.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | jiggawattz: .... |
| 14:32.52 | anddam | jiggawattz: that'd be a brilliant solution if that's the actual issue |
| 14:32.53 | jiggawattz | just kidding! |
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| 14:33.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 14:33.21 | anddam | Eryn_1983_FL: like having the interface set as dhcp in interfaces? |
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| 14:33.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | it is static |
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| 14:33.43 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 14:33.55 | anddam | how can you tell it's waiting? |
| 14:33.57 | anddam | Eryn_1983_FL: ^ |
| 14:34.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am looking at the terminal via my vga cable.. |
| 14:34.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | its been sitting like this for a long time |
| 14:34.32 | anddam | Eryn_1983_FL: ok but what's the last line it printed? |
| 14:34.43 | anddam | doerno: I'd try to let someone reproduce |
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| 14:35.06 | anddam | doerno: as abrotman said I doubt it's a debian issue as well, try getting a preinstalled vbox image and see it that freezes |
| 14:35.28 | anddam | doerno: also, and I'm not kidding, create a new OS X user and install debian from the same iso file in a vm in that new user |
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| 14:35.47 | jorn | hi, i'm trying to automate building the debian packages in this git repo: https://github.com/openlink/virtuoso-opensource |
| 14:36.11 | jorn | searching for tutorials on how to do this i get too many different hits all differing in various steps |
| 14:36.42 | Mac101 | hi general setup question, if i were to block all traffic in/out with iptables then only allow a second non root user axx to the net, could i use gksu to run apps from my user account as the second user, essentially creating application level firewalling? |
| 14:36.55 | Mac101 | i only want firefox/thunderbird and manually actvated updates to have net axx |
| 14:36.56 | jorn | i'm mostly interested in automatically installing the dependencies needed to build |
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| 14:40.30 | Jan\ | whats the command to view directory permissions ? |
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| 14:41.28 | valdyn | Jan\: ls -l |
| 14:41.48 | valdyn | Jan\: §ls -ld <directory>" |
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| 14:41.52 | valdyn | Jan\: "ls -ld <directory>" |
| 14:41.52 | varaindemian | W: GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E429CCF86CE33D20 |
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| 14:42.20 | varaindemian | when I tried sudo apt-get update |
| 14:42.54 | Ghostbird | OpenSuse? |
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| 14:43.14 | varaindemian | Ghostbird: I have debian |
| 14:43.16 | varaindemian | .. |
| 14:44.00 | ewew | varaindemian http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-key&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en |
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| 14:46.50 | varaindemian | ewew: Do I need to have apt-key installed? |
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| 14:47.37 | ewew | varaindemian Its a tool to add public pgp keys. Why do you need opensuse packages ? |
| 14:47.59 | ghormoon | how can I safely echo variable that can contain any quotes/apostrophes and such? I think I'm missing someting here :( |
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| 14:48.09 | jelly | ghormoon: echo "$variablename" |
| 14:48.24 | ghormoon | jelly: that got roken on apostrophes somewhere |
| 14:48.38 | varaindemian | ewew: I don't know why it ask me for that |
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| 14:48.50 | ghormoon | sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' |
| 14:48.50 | jelly | ghormoon: show the actual command and output, in a pastebin |
| 14:48.59 | Ghostbird | varaindemian: That's what threw me off. Your apt-get is trying to download OpenSuse packages, and it doesn't have the public key of OpenSuse. |
| 14:49.05 | varaindemian | ewew: didn't install anything special |
| 14:49.26 | Ghostbird | Better check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list |
| 14:49.35 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:49.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:49.58 | Jan\ | valdyn: ok |
| 14:50.17 | Ghostbird | varaindemian: If necessary replace them with clean sources and retry. |
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| 14:51.39 | varaindemian | Ghostbird: in /etc/apt/sources.list.d I have focuswriter.list |
| 14:52.11 | varaindemian | deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/gottcode/Debian_8.0/ / |
| 14:52.32 | varaindemian | should I delete it? |
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| 14:52.49 | jelly | verboese: yes, unless you need it |
| 14:52.58 | doerno | ewew: anddam this is the .xsession-errors http://paste.debian.net/325823/ |
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| 14:52.58 | jelly | or just comment it out |
| 14:53.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am backkk |
| 14:53.13 | jelly | varaindemian: yes, unless you need it, or just comment it out |
| 14:53.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry i did ctrlaltdelete on wrong box |
| 14:53.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | anyways, |
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| 14:53.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just dd if=./debian.iso of=/dev/usb to put an iso on usb right? |
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| 14:54.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | been a bit |
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| 14:54.28 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: cp ./debian.iso /dev/whatev |
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| 14:54.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | no to make it boot the image.. |
| 14:54.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i can reinstall |
| 14:55.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | and also does jessie has zfs support at install finally? |
| 14:55.14 | abrotman | This can't be your first time doing an install from USB ... |
| 14:55.16 | jelly | nope |
| 14:55.31 | ghormoon | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/325825/ the echo in swatch config, without quotes it made MUCH more problems, with them from time to time it spits the apostrophe error. I may try to find what data caused it, but it's somewhere in 0.5gb file |
| 14:55.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | its not but its the am and i am not awake yet |
| 14:56.43 | doerno | I don't know why but I think that the error of my system lying there... |
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| 15:03.44 | jelly | ghormoon: best ask the swatch people what are they doing there, are they calling system() or proper execve() or what |
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| 15:06.17 | Ivoah | What happens if I select "debian desktop environment" in the installer but don't select any of the specific environments? |
| 15:06.18 | Ivoah | https://sr.ht/OPB3.png |
| 15:06.34 | Artemis3 | Ivoah, it gets you gnome3 |
| 15:06.39 | Ivoah | thanks |
| 15:06.49 | Ivoah | are there any that you would suggest? |
| 15:06.57 | Ivoah | or should I stick with gnome? |
| 15:07.08 | pycoderf | Ivoah: I suggest MATE. Simple and functional |
| 15:07.12 | Artemis3 | personally? anything but gnome3 :3 but thats the default |
| 15:07.19 | Ivoah | Which looks the nicest? |
| 15:07.20 | Artemis3 | in x86 anyway |
| 15:07.28 | Artemis3 | it depends on your taste |
| 15:07.28 | Ivoah | and what's wrong with gnome? |
| 15:07.45 | jelly | it has... interesting design choice |
| 15:07.46 | jelly | s |
| 15:07.52 | pycoderf | Enjoy your Mac/tablet UI that is tough to use |
| 15:07.54 | Artemis3 | use it if you like it |
| 15:07.58 | jelly | ^^ |
| 15:08.12 | pycoderf | Ivoah: Looks are subjective |
| 15:08.17 | Artemis3 | if you have a touchscreen i guess its fine |
| 15:08.28 | pycoderf | gnome3 is good if brain damanged |
| 15:08.36 | Artemis3 | lol |
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| 15:08.46 | pycoderf | intentional typo! |
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| 15:09.11 | CruX|_ | pycoderf: same for gtk |
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| 15:13.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | well |
| 15:13.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | it said it couldnt find a file or something |
| 15:14.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | sha1 says its the right file on system hdd |
| 15:14.13 | Artemis3 | Eryn_1983_FL, i don't think you can use it for / tho |
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| 15:14.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | what you mean Artemis3 |
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| 15:14.44 | Artemis3 | zfs? |
| 15:15.27 | Artemis3 | unless kfreebsd ofc. |
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| 15:15.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | no no /root is not zfs |
| 15:15.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | just my data stuff, not even relating to debian, |
| 15:15.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | anyways going to try the cp command... |
| 15:16.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | maybe that will work.. |
| 15:16.45 | Artemis3 | Eryn_1983_FL, dd works, to the correct dev, which would be something like /dev/sdd or whatever your usb is |
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| 15:17.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah its what i have used in the past wondering if it is a bad usb disk, |
| 15:17.27 | Artemis3 | or you need to enable usb boot at bios |
| 15:17.38 | Artemis3 | try boot menu, sometimes f11 |
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| 15:18.05 | Artemis3 | also do sync before pulling the usb after dd |
| 15:18.16 | Ivoah | What happens if I select all of the desktop options? |
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| 15:18.53 | Artemis3 | you get lots of desktops? |
| 15:19.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i saw the sync command in the howto for debian installs, will do sync |
| 15:19.27 | blind | Ivoah: on Linux, you can install multiple desktop environments and choose which one you want to use at login |
| 15:20.08 | Ivoah | How much space would all of them take? |
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| 15:21.12 | blind | GNOME and KDE will take up a decent chunk of space. Not sure how much though. |
| 15:22.14 | pycoderf | KDE is about 4GB last time I looked at it for just itself |
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| 15:22.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | lxde and xmonad are the bomb |
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| 15:23.07 | pycoderf | lxde would be my seconds choice, menu editing is annoying (or was years back when i used it last), but probably better than dconf |
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| 15:24.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 15:24.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | xmonad is a tiling window manager, |
| 15:25.03 | pycoderf | i know |
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| 15:26.57 | ntz | hmm |
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| 15:36.52 | debjess | hi, i installed: kde-config-gtk-style, gtk2-oxygen, gtk3-oxygen. Screen: http://paste.opensuse.org/80171565 |
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| 15:37.03 | debjess | It is the result: http://paste.opensuse.org/17972882 |
| 15:37.21 | debjess | Please help, it is in all GTK+ applications, how do fix it? |
| 15:37.28 | debjess | Debian Jessie, KDE 4.14.2 |
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| 15:39.00 | Artemis3 | fix what |
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| 15:40.25 | debjess | Artemis3, http://paste.opensuse.org/17972882 |
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| 15:41.02 | Artemis3 | those vertical things? hmm i wonder what are those |
| 15:41.11 | Artemis3 | first time i ever see them |
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| 15:43.51 | Furai | Hey, how to add new dictionaries to aspell? |
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| 15:44.06 | somiaj | Furai: check the repos, there are plenty you can just apt-get install |
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| 15:44.23 | Furai | Could you point me in the right direction, please? |
| 15:44.26 | somiaj | Furai: apt-cache search aspell | grep dict |
| 15:44.30 | Furai | thanks |
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| 15:44.58 | Furai | Wow, that's exactly what I've been looking for. |
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| 15:46.46 | Alina-emergency | I have just installed debian wheezy + xorg + i3 and it is slow as hell what i am doing wrong? |
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| 15:48.24 | ntz | how do I in some sane format print the list of all packages including the origin repo and also not installed packages ? I need to modify this script https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dpecka/my_trash_bin/master/csvize_yum_list.pl that it could be also used in debian and that the format is same, eg in rhel: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/75725416 |
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| 15:50.33 | Furai | Another thing, how to enable completion in terminal? Like for example "apt-get install apach[tab]" would expand last bit to "apache2" |
| 15:51.18 | Furai | I've seen it working on one of my ubuntu boxes just like that, though I have never seen it workingo on my debian. |
| 15:51.25 | somiaj | Alina-emergency: what graphics card? |
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| 15:52.25 | somiaj | Furai: is your system a newly installed debian system or one you have been upgrading? |
| 15:52.43 | Alina-emergency | its freshly installed |
| 15:53.08 | Alina-emergency | and the card is NVIDIA nv28 (GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x) |
| 15:53.13 | Furai | upgrading since 5, I think |
| 15:53.26 | zykotick9 | Furai: re:tab completion, if you are currently using "su" try "su -" instead |
| 15:53.34 | Ivoah | Is MATE what ubuntu used? |
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| 15:57.04 | Furai | zykotick9, somiaj, fixed. Apparently I didn't have bash-completion installed. |
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| 16:00.28 | Ivoah | well, I'm installing KDE, MATE, Cinnamon, and LXDE |
| 16:00.46 | vamps | Ivoah: you have plenty of disk space to waste :p |
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| 16:01.19 | Ivoah | vamps: I do :P |
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| 16:01.52 | ntz | how do I in some sane format print the list of all packages including the origin repo and also not installed packages ? I need to modify this script https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dpecka/my_trash_bin/master/csvize_yum_list.pl that it could be also used in debian and that the format is same, eg in rhel: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/75725416 |
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| 16:02.20 | ntz | is there some way to print on one line the list of installed and available packages including version and the source repo ? |
| 16:03.47 | ntz | ^^ eg I meant one-line-per-package |
| 16:03.52 | jelly | ntz: aptitude has an extensive search and output format syntax, but I'm not sure whether it includes the repo a package comes from |
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| 16:04.17 | ntz | thanks |
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| 16:05.35 | Alina-emergency | somiaj, the card is NVIDIA nv28 (GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x) |
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| 16:18.01 | rattking | Hey all. I have been getting graphics corruption (seemingly with fonts) on kde (and only kde apps). I am running Jessie with the backports intel xorg driver.. I tries UXA and SNA along with the non backports driver.. does anyone know a solution or any ideas on how to debug further? |
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| 16:20.15 | rattking | ohh in .xsession-errors I see "QNativeImage: Unable to attach to shared memory segment." among other painter errors |
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| 16:23.49 | rattking | ahhh its only an issue with QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster .. both opengl and native work fine (so far) |
| 16:23.57 | JyZyXEL | google suggests that firefox can be installed on Debian jessie from linux mint .deb packages |
| 16:24.19 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how true that is |
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| 16:24.32 | zykotick9 | JyZyXEL: BAD idea... |
| 16:24.38 | JyZyXEL | that was my thought as well |
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| 16:25.54 | DoctorD90 | JyZyXEL: sorry, but google cant suggest....maybe forum suggests things :P |
| 16:26.24 | DoctorD90 | what is this forum/site/whatelse? |
| 16:26.26 | JyZyXEL | well, i mean, googles first search results |
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| 16:27.46 | DoctorD90 | ah lol...bhe..many duder follow that "thing"... even if...mint is mint, debian is debian...id not like mix packages :P if i may give you a tip ^^ |
| 16:28.56 | JyZyXEL | i think maybe firefox offers pre-built binaries |
| 16:29.01 | lubarch | could anybody tell me how to create new folder in mutt |
| 16:29.02 | lubarch | ? |
| 16:29.05 | JyZyXEL | with libraries included |
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| 16:29.47 | mtn | JyZyXEL, what is wrong with iceweasel, which is after all, firefox |
| 16:30.13 | JyZyXEL | mtn: v38 vs v42 |
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| 16:30.31 | mtn | JyZyXEL, there is a debian mozilla site, which will give you the latest version |
| 16:30.41 | mtn | JyZyXEL, google: debian mozilla |
| 16:30.51 | jelly | !mdn |
| 16:30.51 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 16:31.21 | jelly | JyZyXEL: 38.4esr is an up-to-date release with security fixes. |
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| 16:32.03 | JyZyXEL | jelly: its probably not based on firefox 42.0 though? |
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| 16:33.01 | JyZyXEL | i wonder what version the deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release is at |
| 16:33.03 | mtn | JyZyXEL, just get the latest one from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 16:33.16 | JyZyXEL | doesn't seem to say on the page |
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| 16:33.50 | jelly | JyZyXEL: it's based on Firefox ESR branch. |
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| 16:34.15 | JyZyXEL | yeah, that's the outdated version i think? |
| 16:34.25 | jelly | it's not outdated, it's ESR |
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| 16:34.43 | JyZyXEL | in the sense that it doesn't have the latest features |
| 16:34.48 | greycat | !sns |
| 16:34.48 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:34.49 | jelly | made specifically to keep a stable feature set for a longer period |
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| 16:35.40 | jelly | but yeah, if you want the rapidly changing "release" branch, get it from mdn |
| 16:36.04 | teraflops | greycat: that's arguable |
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| 16:38.17 | debjess | Somebody knows how to fix this vertical things?) http://paste.opensuse.org/17972882 |
| 16:38.18 | JyZyXEL | apt-get install -t jessie-backports iceweasel says that i already have the newest version |
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| 16:39.20 | greycat | Oh, that's really cute. A paste.* site whose pasted content is... some sort of internal link to an image. |
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| 16:39.43 | JyZyXEL | the version 42.0 of Iceweasel is in the experimental repo |
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| 16:41.04 | JyZyXEL | oh, synaptic shows the 42.0 in jessie-backports |
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| 16:41.45 | Len | hmm |
| 16:42.05 | teraflops | Alina-emergency: freq scalling? |
| 16:42.05 | Len | I am installing Debian testing right now, I want to run Plasma 5.0 on it |
| 16:42.08 | rattking | frequency scaling? |
| 16:42.16 | Alina-emergency | what is htat? |
| 16:42.24 | Len | should I check Debian desktop env..KDE in software selection, or install it later? |
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| 16:42.27 | rattking | a power saving feature |
| 16:42.31 | Alina-emergency | oh |
| 16:42.33 | Alina-emergency | is that in BIOS? |
| 16:42.49 | teraflops | Alina-emergency: no |
| 16:43.00 | jelly | Alina-emergency: it's a standard CPU and chipset feature. |
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| 16:43.39 | Alina-emergency | well i dont know, when i run htop it shows like 60% of processor %% |
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| 16:44.02 | Alina-emergency | ridiculous, i only have debian+xorg+i3 installed and htop window opened right now |
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| 16:44.47 | Len | One more time~ I am installing fresh Debian testing. Should I check ...KDE in Software selection for Plasma5 use? or do it after installation? |
| 16:45.19 | Alina-emergency | even when i get out of this i3 into regular console mode it still shows like 60 percent occupied.... |
| 16:45.19 | zykotick9 | !tell Len about testing installer |
| 16:45.22 | JyZyXEL | 'apt-get -t jessie-backports iceweasel' does not work but 'aptitude install iceweasel/jessie-backports' does the trick |
| 16:45.23 | mtn | Len, checking kde will install whatever version of kde that is in testing at this time. does that answer your question? |
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| 16:46.18 | Len | mtn: Hmmm... "contains the KDE Frameworks 4.14.10, Plasma 5.4 and Applications 15.04" |
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| 16:46.26 | Len | indeed, should work I think |
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| 16:47.40 | Len | zykotick9: ^>^ thanks |
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| 16:58.41 | jhutchins | Ackk |
| 16:58.51 | jhutchins | I just found two servers running on Woody. |
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| 17:06.35 | JyZyXEL | is '/etc/init.d/kdm restart' to restart Xorg? |
| 17:06.45 | JyZyXEL | a correct way |
| 17:07.02 | greycat | it's a correct way to restart kdm |
| 17:07.50 | JyZyXEL | what would be a correct way to restart Xorg/KDE? |
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| 17:08.22 | greycat | If you run kdm? Log out, then restart kdm. |
| 17:08.37 | greycat | But in 99% of cases, just logging out and back in will restart the X server. |
| 17:09.01 | MaxLanar | hi, I have a wifi card (Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73)) wich worked fine before (with the non-free firmware-iwlwifi package), but, after an OS update I believe, the card don't work anymore. |
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| 17:10.44 | MaxLanar | I de-re-install the firmware, installed the package from backports, then the wheezie one back again with no improvements |
| 17:11.09 | MaxLanar | now the interface don't show up with ifconfig -a |
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| 17:12.00 | MaxLanar | what can I do to fix/investigate this ? |
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| 17:13.31 | mtn | MaxLanar, does the card still show up in lspci? |
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| 17:14.04 | tmp151106 | hi there! |
| 17:14.10 | tmp151106 | i'm using debian sid, kde/kf5, sddm, and i have problem with configuring sddm via kcm. |
| 17:14.21 | tmp151106 | ... but sddm settings module says that i don't have permissions to modify these settings. |
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| 17:14.51 | MaxLanar | mtn, yes it does |
| 17:15.40 | mtn | MaxLanar, does "rfkill list wifi" show any blocked? |
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| 17:17.02 | MaxLanar | mtn, -> no result with that command |
| 17:17.04 | tmp151106 | da blya |
| 17:17.34 | mtn | MaxLanar, is rfkill installed? |
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| 17:18.05 | tmp151106 | who knows how to debug problems with policykit / dbus? |
| 17:18.10 | MaxLanar | yes yes, there is just no output to the command |
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| 17:19.14 | mtn | MaxLanar, I think that means no wireless is recognized, but don't know what that would be if it is seen in lspci |
| 17:20.02 | mtn | MaxLanar, how about "ifconfig wlan0 up"? |
| 17:20.22 | jhutchins | What about ifconfig -a |
| 17:20.27 | ewew | tmp151106 |
| 17:20.36 | ewew | !unstable |
| 17:20.36 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 17:20.47 | ewew | !debian-next |
| 17:20.47 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. |
| 17:21.06 | spacebug^ | The only way to stop someone (with physical access to the computer) to install a rootkit or simular, is tå somhow use encrypted root partition? Any simple way to do this? With for example LUKS? |
| 17:21.48 | MaxLanar | mtn, tried that before : "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags : No such [...]" |
| 17:22.06 | quantic | If a threat has physical access to your system, you're done. Most you can do is protect data confidentiality (LUKS encryption, etc). |
| 17:22.15 | tmp151106 | ewew, i'm ready to deep dive into debug but i don't know at this moment how to do it on polkit. |
| 17:22.26 | quantic | Safeguarding against a rootkit is probably less of a worry. |
| 17:22.56 | MaxLanar | jhutchins, the interface doesn't shows up with ifconfig -a |
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| 17:23.33 | ewew | tmp151106 Check logs in /var/log directory. |
| 17:23.38 | spacebug^ | quantic: Im currently using GPG on files, encrypted home dir and also LUKS for another partition. Just thought I wanted a way of being sure noone had been able to temper with the system if they had physical access |
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| 17:24.12 | phaazon | hey |
| 17:24.18 | phaazon | is there a way to use wheezy libs on jessie? |
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| 17:25.09 | quantic | spacebug^: basic tenet of information security: physical access is god. |
| 17:25.27 | spacebug^ | quantic: :/ |
| 17:25.41 | ewew | spacebug^ Dont tell anybody about it. Its the first rule. |
| 17:26.33 | quantic | spacebug^: Wish I had a better answer for you. There are utilities that can detect some rootkit activity. You can also use something like tripwire to detect changes to configuration files. But tamper prevention is almost impossible if someone has physical access. |
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| 17:26.41 | tmp151106 | ewew, got it: |
| 17:26.42 | tmp151106 | dbus[3459]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' (using servicehelper) |
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| 17:26.48 | tmp151106 | dbus[3459]: [system] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127 |
| 17:26.59 | spacebug^ | quantic: Well, thanks anyway |
| 17:27.43 | tmp151106 | afaik, return code 127 is about execve() and invalid path to run (not found, not executable, etc) |
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| 17:28.08 | ewew | tmp151106 Like dpkg bot said about sid debian. |
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| 17:33.50 | MaxLanar | mtn, here is what's dmesg says when I do "modprobe iwlwifi" : http://paste.debian.net/326020/ |
| 17:34.55 | somiaj | MaxLanar: those drivers require non-free firmware. You can get them from debian non-free (method I suggest to ensure it matches your kernel) |
| 17:35.17 | tmp151106 | !sid |
| 17:35.17 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 17:36.38 | MaxLanar | somiaj : I already installed firmware-iwlwifi from non-free |
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| 17:36.59 | MaxLanar | somiaj, you're talking about that right ? |
| 17:37.32 | somiaj | MaxLanar: What kernel are you runing (uname -a) and can you give me the output of 'apt-cache policy firwmare-iwlwifi' from your system. |
| 17:37.40 | somiaj | MaxLanar: put this at paste.debian.net |
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| 17:39.18 | spacebug^ | I might have thought of another approche. Maybe I can make a list of checksums for all files that could be in danger if changed. (All config files and all binaries) |
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| 17:39.55 | JyZyXEL | spacebug^: you could use extended file attributes to store the checksums |
| 17:40.27 | quantic | spacebug^: see: tripwire |
| 17:40.34 | ewew | spacebug^ https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:41.08 | quantic | JyZyXEL: it would be trivial to change the stored checksum when I change the file, if I were an attacker. |
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| 17:41.56 | spacebug^ | Thanks JyZyXEL, quantic and ewew. |
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| 17:42.13 | MaxLanar | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/326022/ |
| 17:42.19 | kubast2 | Hey ,I want to install Vbox guest addition ,but I have run into problem ,I don't quite understand[debian 8]. dpaste.com/0AP88ZE ("Brak dostÄpu" means "You have no permissions" ls -la ,doesn't confirm it) |
| 17:43.01 | spacebug^ | quantic: Storing the cheksums on my encrypted homedir (and or even using GPG?) |
| 17:43.02 | kubast2 | it's a fresh debian 8 + xfce install |
| 17:43.21 | MaxLanar | (sorry I'm slow the pc don't have internet connection... I must copy paste trough a file & usb on another device) |
| 17:43.25 | quantic | spacebug^: or use an existing solution. see: tripwire. :P |
| 17:43.53 | quantic | spacebug^: rule #2 of security: don't invent your own. use existing and trusted solutions. |
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| 17:44.21 | spacebug^ | quantic: Will take a look. Thanks again :) |
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| 17:45.13 | spacebug^ | "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they are not after you" :P |
| 17:45.36 | sdfgdgd | kubast2: its a mounted iso or something? maybe its mounted as noexec |
| 17:45.49 | jhutchins | spacebug^: There are programs like tripwire that already do that kind of thing. |
| 17:45.57 | quantic | spacebug^: I DO wear my gpg keys on a cryptotoken around my neck. ;) |
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| 17:46.06 | spacebug^ | :) |
| 17:46.10 | syntroPi | does someone know of a "debian" dir or "deb" for google flatbuffers somewhere? |
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| 17:46.25 | Toni27 | hello |
| 17:46.35 | somiaj | MaxLanar: for some reason you have the squeeze firmware which is outdated for your jessie kernel |
| 17:46.44 | spacebug^ | jhutchins: +1 |
| 17:46.51 | somiaj | MaxLanar: upgrade that firmware package should fix your problem. |
| 17:46.54 | Toni27 | i have little problem with debian |
| 17:47.03 | Toni27 | can you help me |
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| 17:47.14 | somiaj | kubast2: this is a debian guest? Anyreason to not get the guest addons from the debian repos? |
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| 17:47.32 | kubast2 | somiaj oh there are guest addons in a repo |
| 17:47.41 | kubast2 | I didn't knew |
| 17:48.01 | kubast2 | I actually never used debian ,only mint and arch linux |
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| 17:48.09 | somiaj | kubast2: virtualbox-guest-dkms (if you have the linux-headers for your kernel installed) will make the guest module for your debian guest. |
| 17:48.19 | somiaj | kubast2: You can find this packge in the contrib repo |
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| 17:54.36 | stackofcats | hi. anyone know what's going on with digikam in stretch and sid? is there an actual workaround or should I start compiling from source? |
| 17:54.47 | somiaj | ,v digikam |
| 17:54.48 | judd | Package: digikam on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.0-7; wheezy: 4:2.6.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 4:4.4.0-1.1; sid: 4:4.4.0-1.1+b2 |
| 17:55.38 | somiaj | stackofcats: What do you mean what is going on? Seems the package was removed from stretch but is still in sid. You can look up this on the debian tracker page to find out why it was removed. The bug report should give you some clues what is going on. |
| 17:56.01 | doerno | boys and girls,as an update of my freezing in debian,I would say that it freezes when you select many text words in webpages or terminal. |
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| 17:56.53 | stackofcats | yeah, but it's not really installable due to broken dependencies. There's a bugreport from mid september with not much activity. I was hoping someone found a way around that problem. |
| 17:56.55 | somiaj | doerno: what version of debian? I would see if it is a full machine(kernel) freeze or just an xorg freeze. One way to do this is have ssh installed and after it freezes see if you can ping or ssh into the system. |
| 17:57.37 | doerno | its amd64 version 8 under vbox 5.0.8 on mac mavericks |
| 17:58.00 | doerno | how I can do that somiaj ? |
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| 17:58.31 | stackofcats | this is the bugreport I found so far: #799546 |
| 17:58.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/799546 in digikam (open): «digikam: Digikam not installable»; severity: important; opened: 2015-09-20; last modified: 2015-09-22. |
| 17:58.35 | mtn | doerno, give the virtual machine more ram |
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| 17:59.13 | SM0TVI | A question: is there any good tutorial on how to create a custom locale? |
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| 17:59.52 | somiaj | stackofcats: https://packages.qa.debian.org/d/digikam.html -- looks like the matainer hasn't updated it in a while, in that case you are probably on your own to try to get it to work. Trying upstream may be the best bet. |
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| 18:00.37 | stackofcats | somiaj: ok, that's rather bad news. thanks anyway! |
| 18:01.22 | somiaj | stackofcats: you could figure out how to package it for debian then try to get a new package you create uploaded via a mentor. |
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| 18:03.37 | MaxLanar | somiaj, install the wheezy package didn't help |
| 18:03.50 | stackofcats | somiaj: yeah, I'll definitely consider this. I remember that this thing is ugly to build in the first place, but I'll see. If I have a package, I'll come back here to learn how to get it in sid. |
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| 18:04.56 | somiaj | MaxLanar: why are you installing the wheezy package on jessie? Install the package for the version of debian you are running. |
| 18:05.23 | doerno | mtn: I think this fixed my distribution |
| 18:05.41 | doerno | it doesn't freeze any more.It worked with 2gb ram and now with 4gb |
| 18:06.37 | mtn | doerno, virtualbox should allow you to change the amount of ram it is giving to the os |
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| 18:08.03 | MaxLanar | somiaj: I am running whezzy (/etc/debian_version : 8.2) I guess the issue here is I still have a jessie kernel... |
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| 18:08.31 | Len | guys, why my system is not loading after blacklisting nouveau? |
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| 18:09.23 | somiaj | MaxLanar: so you have the 3.16 kernel from wheezy-backports? Then install the firmware from wheezy-backports. |
| 18:09.52 | somiaj | MaxLanar: the firmawre needs to match the kernel (thus module) you are using. |
| 18:10.08 | MaxLanar | somiaj, I also tried this one with no more luck |
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| 18:11.42 | somiaj | MaxLanar: well the info you gave me said you had jessie sources and were running a jessie kernel. But you say you are running wheezy and you installed a squeeze firmware. Your issue is mixing things. |
| 18:11.52 | somiaj | MaxLanar: what is the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 18:16.12 | MaxLanar | somiaj : http://paste.debian.net/326062/ |
| 18:17.02 | MaxLanar | somiaj, you're right, things went wrong after an update from jessie to wheezy iirc |
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| 18:18.12 | greycat | you can't update from jessie to wheezy. that's backwards. |
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| 18:18.36 | somiaj | MaxLanar: what? |
| 18:18.55 | somiaj | so you have upgraded to jessie, install the jessie firmware. |
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| 18:19.00 | somiaj | like I said awhile ago. |
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| 18:19.48 | MaxLanar | somiaj, (sorry my irc client just crashed) |
| 18:20.08 | MaxLanar | somiaj, from squeeze to wheezy* |
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| 18:21.18 | somiaj | MaxLanar: Your sources are not wheezy, they are jessie. |
| 18:21.43 | somiaj | MaxLanar: did you put 'stable' in your sources.list and not 'wheezy'. Sounds like you did something that is mixing things. But everything you have linnked me says your sources are jessie and your kernel is jessie |
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| 18:22.17 | Wulf | hi |
| 18:22.55 | Wulf | If a package in the newest version is available on multiple servers/mirrors from sources.list, how can I give one mirror priority over another? |
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| 18:25.16 | somiaj | Wulf: what version of debian are you running? And why do you have the same package comming from multiple different mirrors? |
| 18:25.35 | blurkis | Am I the only one with logs full of "ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 2 failed to flush |
| 18:25.35 | blurkis | " ? My wifi slows down dramaticly time to time, and I belive its due to this.? |
| 18:25.36 | somiaj | I think pinning can do this, but it almost sounds to me like you are mixing debian versions. |
| 18:26.24 | MaxLanar | somiaj, pffiou sorry, my brain and my memory is a mess. -> I was using debian testing (jessie) and when jessie cam out I sticked to it |
| 18:26.25 | Wulf | somiaj: actually, it's ubuntu-14.04 (sorry for asking here, but I assume you know your own software better). There are mirrors configured for updates and for security. |
| 18:27.23 | Wulf | somiaj: I want to know if an update is a security update. One way I could find is "apt-get upgrade -s". But that only works if it uses security, not updates. |
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| 18:27.44 | greycat | if you're running stable, and there's an update, it's a security update. |
| 18:27.55 | Spec | Heya. So I've given up on three monitors...now I just want 2x to work, with same video card. I am back to nouveau driver, no nvidia, no xorg.conf, and MATE |
| 18:27.55 | MaxLanar | somiaj, I'm downloading the jessie firmware... |
| 18:28.26 | Spec | Everything works like I want it to...except MATE has 3x of everything. The clock in the upper right, the applications|places|systems menus, etc, all have three. |
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| 18:28.52 | Wulf | greycat: if I remove "updates" from source list, I get fewer updates. |
| 18:28.56 | ewew | Spec Was the third monitor on card with one connected monitor ? |
| 18:29.13 | Spec | yes, but now that card does not have any monitors connected |
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| 18:30.19 | Spec | dunno why mate is putting up 3x of everything :-/ |
| 18:30.38 | ewew | Spec Residual configs ? |
| 18:31.48 | Spec | i guess....fixed |
| 18:31.51 | Spec | rm -rf .allthethings |
| 18:31.54 | Spec | :D |
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| 18:32.10 | Spec | well, at least windows can fullscreen to one monitor and also be moved to the other monitor. Hopefully the rest goes smoothly :) |
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| 18:32.40 | ewew | Spec Just a speculation. Did you try to run Xorg thee times ? |
| 18:32.47 | Spec | no :p |
| 18:33.12 | ewew | Spec I might be bandwidht problem ? |
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| 18:33.30 | Ivoah | Which display manager do I want? kdm or lightdm |
| 18:33.33 | ewew | Spec It a pci or pci-x card ? |
| 18:33.38 | MaxLanar | somiaj, yeah it works now ! Thanks for your help (and sorry for being so distracted) ! |
| 18:33.38 | Spec | pcix afaik |
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| 18:34.06 | somiaj | Wulf: we dont support ubuntu even if there is similarities. You should use the support of the distro you chose. |
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| 18:34.17 | ewew | Spec You know about irq sharing and pci-x lines. |
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| 18:37.40 | Wulf | somiaj: is that a nasty way to say "I don't know!"? ;-) |
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| 18:38.19 | somiaj | Wulf: no that is the policy here. We choose to only support debian. |
| 18:38.21 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 18:38.22 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:39.26 | Spec | ugh, dconf-editor |
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| 18:40.04 | Ivoah | Which display manager is better? kdm or lightdm |
| 18:40.27 | somiaj | Spec: did you ever figure out if nouveau supports xrandr 1.4. I think that is your problem. Seems the nvidia drivers support this in their own way and can be configured via the nvidia-settings tool. But you may need to get legacy drivers for the age of your card. |
| 18:40.33 | somiaj | Ivoah: define what you mean by 'better'. |
| 18:40.39 | zykotick9 | Ivoah: Which colour is better? blue or red |
| 18:40.46 | Ivoah | zykotick9: red |
| 18:40.47 | Ivoah | :P |
| 18:41.01 | Ivoah | I'm installing Debian onto a VM for use with compiling stuff |
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| 18:41.11 | Ivoah | seems like lightdm is what I want |
| 18:41.22 | somiaj | Ivoah: is the only goal for this vm is to compile stuff? What is your host os? |
| 18:41.37 | Ivoah | somiaj: that and fiddle with debian a bit, host is OS X |
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| 18:41.45 | __marco | I have a problem with a deb. Lintian reports: script-not-executable |
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| 18:42.29 | somiaj | Ivoah: ahh okay. I was going to say for compling, a chroot enviorment can work quite well and is a lot easier to manage (but this would only work from another linux distro). Use the display manager you like best (though if using kde, kdm might have features to enhance kde) |
| 18:42.43 | __marco | I tried to change the permission bits, add a override_dh_install in debian/rules, but I cannot solve it |
| 18:42.56 | Ivoah | somiaj: I don't know what the difference between the display managers is |
| 18:43.23 | somiaj | __marco: Is this to build a package. I would ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:43.33 | Len | is there anyone with working plasma5 ? |
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| 18:44.01 | Ivoah | welp, I'm using lightdm |
| 18:44.10 | somiaj | Ivoah: mostly just features and look/ffel. If you are using kde, kdm may have some features tha enchance kde. |
| 18:44.11 | Ivoah | I can always just make a new VM if I don't like it |
| 18:44.24 | somiaj | or just change you dm, that is easy enough to do in debian. |
| 18:44.27 | Ivoah | somiaj: I'll probably end up using MATE |
| 18:44.35 | Ivoah | somiaj: Mkay, thanks |
| 18:44.46 | somiaj | Ivoah: in that case I would say lightdm is better (or maybe gdm3 since mate is gnome) |
| 18:45.21 | Ivoah | somiaj: I didn't get an option for gdm3 |
| 18:45.55 | somiaj | Ivoah: I don't think it is a big deal one way or another. I'm not familar enough with mate to know if it uses any of gdm's features or not. |
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| 18:46.07 | Ivoah | alright, thanks for helping me |
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| 18:46.26 | Ivoah | man, I wish virtual box supported retina screens |
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| 18:48.00 | jhutchins | Ivoah: Why would you need retina resolution for compiling stuff? |
| 18:48.06 | skirmisha | hi guys |
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| 18:48.13 | Ivoah | jhutchins: because it looks nicer |
| 18:48.14 | kubast2 | thx |
| 18:48.19 | skirmisha | can someone help me |
| 18:48.27 | Ivoah | skirmisha: What's the problem? |
| 18:48.29 | Rou | Hello |
| 18:48.34 | Rou | Is there any difference in base ram |
| 18:48.37 | Rou | Between Debian 7 and 8 |
| 18:48.39 | Rou | Server |
| 18:49.01 | skirmisha | Ivoah, that's the problem - https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/46374 |
| 18:49.03 | somiaj | Rou: I woudl say any difference is not important on modern hardware. |
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| 18:49.20 | Rou | Well on a low end box |
| 18:49.23 | Rou | Where every mb counts |
| 18:49.33 | Ivoah | skirmisha: problem with what? |
| 18:49.34 | skirmisha | issue is how to solve it permanently as now i have to run dbus-update everytime i re-start |
| 18:49.35 | somiaj | Rou: Like how low end? 2000-2004 low end? Maybe. |
| 18:49.43 | Rou | On a VPS |
| 18:49.49 | Rou | with 64 mb of ram |
| 18:49.55 | skirmisha | problem is that i can't start root terminal second time after first close |
| 18:50.13 | skirmisha | it does get dbus reject, seems that DISPLAY variable is not passed correctly |
| 18:50.15 | Ivoah | skirmisha: I dunno what your talking about, think you've got the wrong person |
| 18:50.17 | Ivoah | oh, |
| 18:50.20 | Ivoah | wait |
| 18:50.22 | Ivoah | nevermind |
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| 18:50.26 | somiaj | Rou: For some reason I think that is less than the recomeneded amount. But I can't tell you for sure how much more ram jessie will take over wheezy. But My guess is more. How much more is subjective. |
| 18:50.39 | Rou | But the point is |
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| 18:50.41 | Rou | There is an increase? |
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| 18:51.00 | Rou | And it doesn't matter if the ram is that low for a basic web server |
| 18:51.04 | somiaj | Rou: I am just assuming there is because that is the trend of software (the kernel itself takes up more with its new features). |
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| 18:51.09 | Rou | You can host up to 18 static sites with low traffic |
| 18:51.12 | Rou | With only that ram |
| 18:51.20 | somiaj | Rou: i386 or amd64? |
| 18:51.33 | Rou | amd64 |
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| 18:51.53 | greycat | Yeah, static content is extremely low resource. |
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| 18:52.01 | skirmisha | overall, first start of root terminal works just fine |
| 18:52.31 | quantic | Rou: per documentation, the minimum RAM for jessie amd64 is 128mb. if that helps. |
| 18:52.32 | skirmisha | if you close it and start it again, it does not run due to dbus reject unless i su - and run dbus-update program |
| 18:52.39 | quantic | Rou: recommended is 512mb. |
| 18:53.04 | quantic | Rou: however, on the same page, it says you can run with less. |
| 18:53.09 | quantic | Rou: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en |
| 18:53.09 | somiaj | Rou: both wheezy and jessie install guide list '80Megs' as the minimum ram for either. Though later on it gives another number, on wheezy it is 64 on jessie it is 128. |
| 18:53.24 | greycat | quantic: Rou: those RAM figures are for a whole system, not a VPS. |
| 18:53.49 | greycat | a VPS doesn't need to run its own kernel, etc. |
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| 18:54.00 | quantic | greycat: a kvm one does. |
| 18:54.10 | quantic | greycat: depends on the hypervisor. |
| 18:55.02 | Ivoah | skirmisha: Are you using debian or arch? |
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| 18:55.40 | skirmisha | i am using debian, but issue is similar |
| 18:55.56 | Ivoah | k |
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| 18:57.55 | somiaj | Rou: so that seems to agree with the idea that the memeory footprint of jessie is a bit more than wheezy, but these guides also get updated over time and are more a rough estimate as opposed to the actual memory footprint. I think the only way to know forsure is install both in a VM and see the ram difference and decide if it is enough to choose one over the other. |
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| 18:58.29 | chele | I got a installed os in a usb drive which i would like to replace using debootstrap. Does that sound possible at all? |
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| 18:59.22 | somiaj | chele: I think you are a little bit vague. What os is on this usb drive? Are you wanting to replace the os on the usb drive or the system with debootstrap? |
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| 18:59.34 | Rou | somiaj: Yeah I am reinstalling with Debian 8 on my VPS right now to check the ram for myself |
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| 18:59.51 | Rou | Unfortunately it will take like 15 minutes to check each one, but no biggie |
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| 19:00.13 | chele | somiaj, It's a mint one. |
| 19:00.23 | bookmark | Hi, does anyone know how to get libsdl2 and libsdl2-dev from on a wheezy system? |
| 19:00.36 | bookmark | I need them to develope my video game |
| 19:00.37 | greycat | My VPS came with debian 6, and I upgraded it to 7... and stopped. |
| 19:00.46 | somiaj | chele: Okay you have mint installed on your usbdrive? Are you wanting to install debian? |
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| 19:01.01 | somiaj | ,v libsdl2 |
| 19:01.02 | judd | No package named 'libsdl2' was found in amd64. |
| 19:01.11 | somiaj | ,v libsdl2-dev |
| 19:01.12 | judd | Package: libsdl2-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.0.0+dfsg1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.2+dfsg1-6; sid: 2.0.2+dfsg1-8; stretch: 2.0.2+dfsg1-8 |
| 19:01.36 | somiaj | bookmark: seems libsdl2-dev is in wheezy-backports so I assume the actual lib is in wheezy-backports (if you get the name correct) |
| 19:02.02 | chele | somiaj, That is correct. I know I could do it by just selecting that drive a target in the installer but I wonder if it could be done with less trouble. deboostraping. |
| 19:02.15 | bookmark | somiaj: what is the correct name? |
| 19:02.39 | somiaj | bookmark: add the wheezy-backports repo and search for it. I don't know off the top of my head |
| 19:02.49 | somiaj | chele: are you wanting to install debian on the usb drive or on the computer? |
| 19:03.01 | bookmark | oh, how do I do that? just put wheezy-packports in my sources.list? |
| 19:03.03 | chele | somiaj, on the drive. |
| 19:03.05 | bookmark | and update? |
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| 19:03.12 | somiaj | chele: debootstrap can save troube for one who knows what they are doing, but it adds a lot of extra complications (like making the drive bootable) |
| 19:03.46 | somiaj | chele: so to me it is a personal choice. Feel free to use your mint usb to install debian via debootstrap or just grab an installer. The debootstrap method will require you knowing more. |
| 19:03.55 | somiaj | !tell bookmark about wheezy-backports |
| 19:03.57 | somiaj | batrick: basically |
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| 19:04.48 | chele | somiaj, You mean it could be done booting from the mint? |
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| 19:05.05 | bookmark | thank you so much somiaj |
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| 19:07.06 | somiaj | chele: you can use debootstrap from various linux distros to install debian. But the process rerquires knowing things well enough that oncey ou create your minimial install you can get into it, install the additional software you want and make it bootable (by installing a kernel and grub corectly). installers automate this for you. |
| 19:07.12 | armin | hi. is there a lightweight alternative to docker? it seems to do way more than i need and it's overly complex for what it does. |
| 19:07.53 | ErtanERBEK | d |
| 19:08.02 | Ivoah | armin: I don't think that question is on-topic here |
| 19:08.17 | armin | Ivoah: i just got redirected here from #bash, so... :) |
| 19:08.36 | armin | Ivoah: and yes i see that it's not bash related or os specific by any means. |
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| 19:08.44 | somiaj | armin: what are you trying to achive? |
| 19:09.05 | Ivoah | armin: try #docker |
| 19:09.06 | armin | somiaj: containerize arbritrary commands without the need to script anything around docker. |
| 19:09.14 | greycat | I doubt #docker would tell him alternatives to Docker. |
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| 19:09.30 | Ivoah | greycat: well, it's probably a better place than here |
| 19:09.52 | chele | somiaj, I see. So if I was to look at the installer guide I would find out those steps you mention so to acquire this knowledge. If not would you care to refer to some guides further info? |
| 19:10.15 | armin | greycat: thanks for your kind effort though. :-) |
| 19:10.20 | somiaj | chele: you would have to look up a specific guide for debootstrap install. Again this method requires knowing way more about debian than just using the installer |
| 19:10.46 | Spec | somiaj: i went down the nvidia proprietary path with the same results |
| 19:10.48 | chele | somiaj, Sure. |
| 19:10.50 | somiaj | armin: is security an issue? chroot can containerize commands really easy, but they dont' have security blocks and are considered easy to break out from. |
| 19:10.51 | Spec | i'm fine now -- just gonna use 2x monitors |
| 19:10.59 | greycat | I actually think this is a great place to ask "what can I install to do ___". I just don't know much about virtualization. |
| 19:11.01 | armin | somiaj: yes. |
| 19:11.25 | armin | greycat: jailing is not necessarily virtualization. think bsd jails. |
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| 19:11.33 | greycat | But yes, you need to specify your requirements, so people know what to suggest. |
| 19:11.51 | armin | basically i love bsd jails for their simplicity and that's probably what i'm after. |
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| 19:12.05 | somiaj | armin: Yea if you need containers that are more secure than chroot the only options i know of are things like LXC, or using some virtulization. |
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| 19:12.19 | armin | lxc! i forgot about that one! thanks a lot. |
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| 19:13.04 | armin | greycat: but yes, i often think of bsd jails when people say docker. |
| 19:13.40 | somiaj | armin: yea it is a shame chroot's are so easy to break from (given someone can get root privlages inside the chroot) |
| 19:13.58 | greycat | You also have to be root to get into a chroot in the first place, which is odd. |
| 19:14.06 | armin | actually, i often think of bsd when people say linux, but that's a thing for its own, and good playground to start flamewars, so i'm not going deeper on this. |
| 19:14.18 | armin | greycat: yes. |
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| 19:15.26 | armin | for example a lot of tools implement privilege dropping or chrooting on startup. that's actually a nice thing, but i still have a feeling that could be done in any kind of wrapper. |
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| 19:15.37 | armin | daemontools (DJB) had something like that iirc. |
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| 19:15.55 | greycat | setuidgid is basically su that won't prompt for a password |
| 19:16.03 | somiaj | greycat: well that is probably to keep chroot from being a bigger secuirty hole. Imangine if a user could become root in his own chroot. :/ |
| 19:16.06 | armin | i mean actually i try to understand what's the hype behind docker to understand what functionality would be needed in some other solution. |
| 19:16.10 | greycat | and doesn't launch the user's default fuckin' shell... |
| 19:16.27 | bookmark | using apt can I uninstall everything in my /var/cache/apt? |
| 19:16.34 | armin | greycat: lol |
| 19:16.38 | bookmark | I think I made a mistake |
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| 19:16.40 | bookmark | hehe |
| 19:16.58 | greycat | bookmark: what mistake did you make? |
| 19:17.21 | bookmark | dunno I installed a bunch of shit thats causing problems for my g++ install |
| 19:17.22 | somiaj | bookmark: umm, what do you mean, /var/cache/apt just contains cahed info. |
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| 19:17.27 | bookmark | I should have installed g++ first |
| 19:17.37 | greycat | installing extra things should not break g++ |
| 19:17.45 | greycat | no matter what order you installed them in |
| 19:17.56 | bookmark | well linux is shitty so it did |
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| 19:19.06 | somiaj | bookmark: actually debian packages are very robust. If you are running across depednency issues it is becase you are mixing things you shold not be mixing, not because 'linux is bad' |
| 19:19.10 | bookmark | ah nevermind there it goes |
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| 19:19.53 | greycat | g++ is an extremely popular package so I would expect it to be quite thoroughly tested |
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| 19:23.18 | bookmark | what does this mean: you have held broken packages? |
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| 19:24.19 | greycat | use dpkg -l to find your held or broken packages... see what's up |
| 19:24.34 | greycat | e.g. dpkg -l | grep ^h |
| 19:25.36 | bookmark | ? |
| 19:25.55 | greycat | Well, if you don't show us what your held or broken packages are, we can't give advice. |
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| 19:26.49 | zfe | is there anything restricting me from using debian |
| 19:26.53 | zfe | at my local KKK club? |
| 19:26.59 | zfe | any anti-racist clause or such |
| 19:27.12 | nkuttler | zfe: no |
| 19:27.17 | zfe | cool, thanks |
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| 19:27.41 | bookmark | greycat : I ran that command, and it simply returns |
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| 19:28.23 | greycat | bookmark: so you have no packages on hold. Well, that's gonna make it hard. I guess you'll have to run dpkg -l | less and read it all by hand and look for anomalies. |
| 19:28.50 | skirmisha | Ivoah, any ideas how to fix it |
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| 19:29.02 | Ivoah | skirmisha: nope :( |
| 19:29.11 | bookmark | what exactly would i be looking for? |
| 19:29.27 | greycat | Anything that isn't "ii" in the first two columns? |
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| 19:29.47 | lemondom | hi |
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| 19:34.30 | bookmark | can someone that's using wheezy paste their source.list someplace? seems the source.list generator is down today. |
| 19:34.51 | greycat | !wheezy sources.list |
| 19:34.52 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:36.42 | ErtanERBEK | greycat, http://pastebin.com/HFDdDyfq |
| 19:36.54 | ErtanERBEK | but my list include 3rd software repo at same time |
| 19:37.01 | ErtanERBEK | if you don't want just delete |
| 19:37.29 | ErtanERBEK | bookmark, http://pastebin.com/HFDdDyfq |
| 19:37.41 | ErtanERBEK | I wrote for wrong person :D |
| 19:39.34 | bookmark | lol |
| 19:39.36 | bookmark | i did it |
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| 19:39.44 | bookmark | i just put stable instead of wheezy |
| 19:39.55 | ErtanERBEK | :) |
| 19:39.55 | bookmark | now i can install sdl2 |
| 19:41.32 | somiaj | don't put stable isntead of wheezy, stable = jessie. that would really mess things up |
| 19:41.41 | bookmark | oh well |
| 19:41.59 | bookmark | if i have to ill get jessie and reinstall |
| 19:42.11 | bookmark | i'm just programming one crappy game server on this box |
| 19:42.31 | bookmark | I mean porting, its already pretty much programmed in windows |
| 19:42.48 | bookmark | just need to disable graphics and compile so people can play my game |
| 19:44.44 | bookmark | but thanks for the info |
| 19:45.45 | bookmark | yeah I'll just download jessie |
| 19:45.57 | bookmark | everything is getting all fucked on my screen lol |
| 19:46.23 | greycat | if you're... oh, he's gone. |
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| 20:03.49 | Ivoah | Why doesn't debootstrap make an apt sources.list? |
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| 20:18.25 | ewew | Is it normal to segfault X server when using xorg.conf with two monitors ? |
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| 20:18.36 | greycat | I'm gonna go with "no". |
| 20:18.38 | Jaga-Jaga | source list for jessie? |
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| 20:18.51 | greycat | Jaga-Jaga: /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
| 20:19.11 | ewew | VGA SIS 661/741/760 |
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| 20:21.52 | Jaga-Jaga | greycat: thx |
| 20:22.03 | ewew | Maybe the VGA port is just dumb clone type. |
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| 20:34.29 | thatguy | how do I configure which daemons are autostarted? |
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| 20:35.10 | greycat | All daemons are started at boot by default. To disable one in particular, on jessie, use systemctl disable servicename. |
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| 20:36.58 | thatguy | greycat, debian wiki says using update-rc.d. is that the same as systemctl? |
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| 20:37.09 | greycat | update-rc.d is for wheezy or older |
| 20:37.23 | thatguy | and another quick question: what is the difference between stopping/starting and enabling/disabling daemons? |
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| 20:37.40 | greycat | Stop is immediate, but doesn't prevent it being auto-started at the next boot. |
| 20:37.55 | greycat | Disable/enable only refers to what happens at boot. |
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| 20:38.38 | thatguy | ok, so if I disable it, it will be only started if I start it manually and if I enable it it starts at startup using the init.d scripts? |
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| 20:39.10 | greycat | Using the systemd unit definitions, if they exist, or falling back to the init.d scripts if they do not. |
| 20:41.06 | thatguy | greycat, ok |
| 20:41.10 | thatguy | greycat, thanks for the kind help |
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| 20:46.29 | awer | im want to use grep to find a word with "token_dev" in it. the problem is i only want grep to search based on the permissions of the current user. As the user doesnt have super priveleges i get a load of output telling me i dont have privileges |
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| 20:46.44 | greycat | 2>/dev/null |
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| 20:47.17 | awer | the i would get no output at all |
| 20:47.20 | awer | then* |
| 20:47.26 | greycat | It only discards errors. |
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| 20:47.31 | awer | ah ok |
| 20:47.32 | awer | thanks |
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| 20:48.44 | greycat | 2> is a redirection of stderr. 1> or > is a redirection of stdout. |
| 20:48.50 | somiaj | awer: yea grep doesn't parse out stderr so greycat command pipes stderr to /dev/null so you odn't see the errors and only stdout (which is what grep returns) |
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| 20:49.22 | greycat | Well, more technically you are not doing anything to stdout so it just goes to wherever it normally would. |
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| 20:56.44 | awer | thanks for the info |
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| 21:02.02 | Slimmy | hello guys :) im getting this error on every command with apt-get. "N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension"... is it safe doing rm to delete it? |
| 21:02.29 | greycat | Where did it come from? What's in it? Do you want it to work? |
| 21:03.49 | Slimmy | I am not sure. Was doing a big upgrade last night. It asked me during the process to confirm some stuff (dont remember much it was late) and before i went to sleep I set it to poweroff on its own at a time |
| 21:03.50 | greycat | Are you on ubuntu? |
| 21:03.56 | Slimmy | im on debian |
| 21:04.04 | Slimmy | thats why Im here heheh |
| 21:05.00 | greycat | "For example, a file with |
| 21:05.01 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.09 | greycat | Is there also an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades on your computer? |
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| 21:07.25 | Slimmy | I did an ls |
| 21:07.26 | Slimmy | and yes |
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| 21:07.37 | greycat | Then it sounds like you can remove the .ucf-old one |
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| 21:07.59 | Slimmy | I will cp it under Documents just in case :) |
| 21:08.37 | greycat | And packages.d.o says the file (without .ucf-old) comes from the package "unattended-upgrades" |
| 21:09.02 | Slimmy | what does that mean? |
| 21:09.02 | greycat | which sounds horribly dangerous to me.... |
| 21:09.39 | Slimmy | what |
| 21:09.44 | Slimmy | I |
| 21:09.47 | Slimmy | I am worried |
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| 21:10.31 | greycat | I'm guessing this package upgraded itself, and there was a new version of this config file in it, so it created the one with .ucf-old as a backup of the older one. But apt doesn't like that filename, so it complained. |
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| 21:11.57 | tkerhs | Is it possiable to install an experimental package through synaptic package manager? (Trying to setup GTX 970 on Debian 8) |
| 21:12.38 | Slimmy | greycat: let me do a sudo apt-get update |
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| 21:14.09 | Slimmy | it went smoothly. Can I assume it "fixed"? |
| 21:14.32 | greycat | I don't know how unattended-upgrades works. I'm just guessing based on available information. |
| 21:14.41 | Slimmy | Oh alright |
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| 21:15.34 | greycat | The reason I asked about ubuntu was because this turned up: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1897475 |
| 21:16.02 | Slimmy | oh... thanks for helping :) |
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| 21:26.39 | peefffs | can i compile a windows application in debian without running a windows virtual machine? |
| 21:26.52 | greycat | Yeah, cross-compiling. |
| 21:26.53 | peefffs | compile = compile from source. I'm not expecting to actually run it. |
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| 21:27.09 | peefffs | greycat, thanks. |
| 21:27.11 | ryouma | in jessie, when i am uploading something large, i can't browse the web. this did not used to be the case in wheezy. ideas? |
| 21:27.19 | greycat | You'd need a windows development kit (headers and libraries) and a cross compiler. |
| 21:27.32 | peefffs | thanks greycat. much appreciatd. will look into this. |
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| 21:35.21 | peefffs | mingw-w64-x86-64-dev mingw-w64-tools perhaps? |
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| 21:35.47 | greycat | I haven't set up a cross compiler in ages, but that sounds promising. |
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| 21:41.28 | greycat | gcc-mingw-w64 looks important too |
| 21:41.59 | Ivoah | How would I get an arm cross compiler? |
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| 21:46.50 | greycat | If there isn't one pre-packaged (I only see "gcc-arm-none-eabi" which may not be the right target) then you may have to build one from scratch. |
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| 21:48.04 | greycat | http://askubuntu.com/questions/250696/cross-compile-for-arm |
| 21:48.14 | dcz | hello guys, i installed bumblebee, its installed without a problem, but my laptops charge consuming is still very high. in 45 min , it goes down to 60% , however full charge was going up to 3 hourse earlier times. |
| 21:48.48 | jonny_ | I just became aware of something called ossec, which watches network activity... does it exist for debian? |
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| 22:27.41 | jessequinn | out of curosity i can begin a cluster just using the latest 8.2 debian or do i need to compile a special kernel etc.. |
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| 22:32.29 | zerocat-1 | hai |
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| 22:42.20 | devslash | when I installed Debian in a VM, I chose to have separate var tmp and home partitions. Can they be dynamically resized if I need to give /var more space ? |
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| 22:43.13 | ewew | devslash If you did not install lvm, then probably no. |
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| 22:43.32 | devslash | no... I didnt specify it... shit.... |
| 22:44.09 | ewew | devslash But you still need to do it from livecd. |
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| 22:44.32 | devslash | thats not an issue |
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| 22:45.23 | bieyeik2aX | hi, why Debian Jessie hasn't snort package available?. I can find it in old-stable, testing and unstable releases, but not in stable, why is that?. |
| 22:45.32 | ewew | devslash https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition part 6.3.3.5 |
| 22:45.38 | Slumlord_ | hello |
| 22:45.43 | bieyeik2aX | hi Slumlord_ |
| 22:45.51 | devslash | thanks |
| 22:45.58 | Slumlord_ | i was trying to install iceweasel experimental |
| 22:46.15 | Slumlord_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.26 | devslash | oh thats for LVM |
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| 22:46.52 | ewew | devslash but if you create a small vm disk, then dont know how. |
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| 22:55.02 | debby | what's password for root in debian8 live cd? |
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| 22:56.18 | debby | dpkg:what's password for root in debian8 live cd? |
| 22:56.20 | dpkg | debby: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 22:56.54 | hexnewbie | I am not sure why I am using Debian anymore. An upgrade would, of course, shut down your services, then conveniently ask you whether you want to replace the config file, keeping them down all those hours. I am moving back to Gentoo :( |
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| 22:58.09 | debby | I installed debian8 but grub is not installed,how to fix this? |
| 22:58.41 | debby | dpkg:password for root in debian8 live cd |
| 22:58.41 | dpkg | debby: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 23:00.56 | Gerowen | debby: See if this answers your question: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20378 |
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| 23:03.10 | debby | Gerowen: ok,thanx a lot |
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| 23:09.22 | asding | hi guys I have this machine with a bit of mess on it... /etc/issue says "stretch/sid"... what should I do? |
| 23:09.58 | asding | I think the only way it to move to stretch and see what happens... |
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| 23:12.15 | somiaj | asding: give me the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net |
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| 23:15.50 | asding | somiaj, the problem was that I had "testing" repos switched on for a while |
| 23:16.05 | asding | dunno why :) and when I realized what I was doing was wayyy to late |
| 23:16.16 | asding | so now I'm tracking jessie |
| 23:16.30 | asding | but, at this point I think it's pointless |
| 23:16.33 | somiaj | asding: doesn't work that way, there is no way to downgrade a system nicely. |
| 23:16.35 | somiaj | !partial downgrade |
| 23:16.36 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 23:17.19 | asding | somiaj, yeah I know so I'm trying to figure out what to do, if try to switch completely to testing or what |
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| 23:18.18 | somiaj | asding: your choice. either stick with stretch, try the above to downgrade any package that got upgraded to testing (maybe it is only a few), or reinstall jessie. |
| 23:18.34 | somiaj | those are the three choices I would recomend |
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| 23:19.33 | asding | somiaj, btw that's it now: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/94316079/ |
| 23:20.03 | liefer_ | I have created a script in /etc/init.d , and i can launch it by running "sudo service myservice start" - However, its not automatically started at boot. Do i need to set that up somewhere for that to happen? |
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| 23:21.14 | Dirkson | apt-get remove ubuntu. Why did I install this horrible operating system for my friend? Why didn't I just put debian on her computer? At least debian upgrade paths aren't like trying to herd weasels through flaming hula hoops. |
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| 23:22.02 | somiaj | liefer_: you are running jessie or wheezy? |
| 23:22.11 | liefer_ | somiaj: jessie |
| 23:22.33 | somiaj | liefer_: are you using systemd on jessie? If so I would suggest just learning to use systemd service files |
| 23:22.49 | somiaj | though systemd has backwards compadability for init.d scripts (with proper LSB headers). |
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| 23:23.42 | liefer_ | Hmm, it seems like my script doesnt actually complete. Like, its supposed to start up and run forever. Like i said, it works if i manually launch it afterwards, but i have to ctrl+c to get back to use the terminal (my service keeps running in the background). Adding a "&" to the command being executed by my script causes it to no longer work |
| 23:23.47 | liefer_ | i have proper LSB headers |
| 23:24.18 | somiaj | liefer_: I'd personaly suggest learning how to write a .service file, they are actually quite simple compared to a lsb script. |
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| 23:24.53 | somiaj | I'm unsure if you have to do anything special to tell systemd to run that script besides just put it in /etc/init.d (you might need to enable the service) |
| 23:25.09 | somiaj | but I'm unsure here. When I switched to systemd I just took the time to learn the .service files |
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| 23:29.18 | sorin-mihai | is there any way to start a vnc session on a system with the default gnome if i have ssh access? |
| 23:29.52 | p0g0_ | you can launch the server if that is what you mean. |
| 23:30.09 | sorin-mihai | i did, but for some reason, vinagre sees nothing |
| 23:30.11 | somiaj | gnome won't work well over vnc due to no opengl |
| 23:30.22 | somiaj | at least that is my understanding |
| 23:30.28 | the_weanus | sorin-mihai: maybe take a look at x2go |
| 23:30.29 | sorin-mihai | doesn't seem to work at all |
| 23:31.43 | somiaj | sorin-mihai: what is your final goal? Any reason to not just use x forwarding over ssh? |
| 23:31.45 | sorin-mihai | i want a simple default debian gnome vinagre to default debian vino-server. is that possible? assume i don't have sudo on the other side. i can start vino-server but i can't see anything in vinagre |
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| 23:35.39 | sorin-mihai | somiaj, i don't suppose that x forwarding is working ootb on debian, isn't it? |
| 23:37.02 | somiaj | sorin-mihai: yes it does |
| 23:37.18 | Gerowen | Anybody know why Gnome Shell and/or Nautilus in Jessie randomly crash when browsing SFTP folders? |
| 23:37.25 | somiaj | ssh -X user@host:program or something like that |
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| 23:38.27 | sorin-mihai | somiaj, that only opens the ssh connection in terminal. that's the problem. |
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| 23:40.13 | sorin-mihai | now, for real, you tell me that vino and vinagre have been installed in dosens of systems but they can't actually be used with the default settings? |
| 23:40.50 | AvatarA | default settings require that you "Accept" the incoming connection on the server machine |
| 23:41.02 | sorin-mihai | i logg in with ssh, i start the vino-server, i try to connect to vino-server with vinagre, and it can't show me anything |
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| 23:41.27 | liefer_ | somiaj: I created a .service file, and it correctly starts up now. Thank you |
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| 23:41.40 | sorin-mihai | AvatarA, ok, that's the problem then! thank you! |
| 23:42.16 | sorin-mihai | AvatarA, in that case, how do i "accept" considering that i only have shh access now? |
| 23:42.25 | themill | starting vino-server from within an ssh connection is unlikely to be correct |
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| 23:42.53 | sorin-mihai | well, i had to start it somehow... |
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| 23:47.17 | themill | the logged in user would start it and it would then have access to the appropriate xauth and DISPLAY |
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| 23:50.10 | themill | (x11vnc still works just fine, but for any of them, you'll need to feed the appropriate xauth data) |
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| 23:51.36 | sorin-mihai | themill, there's no user on the other side, it's a headless system. |
| 23:52.08 | themill | then these are not the right tools |
| 23:52.23 | AvatarA | easiest way would be to enable X forwarding, run vino-preferences or whatever it's called, change settings |
| 23:52.47 | sorin-mihai | there is no vino-preferences and it's a debian 8 system |
| 23:52.47 | solrize | i tried apt-get install g++-dev on debian 8.1 armhf and the install failed because of a version dependency conflict between required packages in the repo.... is this a known issue? |
| 23:53.07 | themill | sorin-mihai: you need something that creates an X session for you, not simply tries to show you a (non-existent) X session |
| 23:53.30 | galex-713 | Sorry, I canât install backintime: https://paste.debian.net/326498/ |
| 23:53.36 | galex-713 | It seems itâs a dependency problem |
| 23:53.49 | AvatarA | but since you can only use ssh now and since I don't see any /etc/ entries in the vino package, I see a GConf entry then you will probably have to find and edit some gconf setting with the utility or find some xml file or something |
| 23:53.57 | galex-713 | I managed so that almost all my system is made of testing packages |
| 23:54.18 | galex-713 | I think for the moment nothing is from unstable (not sure, is there a way to check it?) |
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| 23:55.10 | AvatarA | then use some other vnc server that is easier to configure for your situation |
| 23:55.28 | sorin-mihai | themill, having gdm started, and vino-server started as the user that should be using the session, wouldn't be enough? |
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| 23:56.32 | sorin-mihai | AvatarA, having no root access, and sudo not being installed how am i going to use "other vnc"? |
| 23:57.55 | sorin-mihai | but thinking more about what themil said, considering there wouldn't be a x session started, how do i start one from ssh? |
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