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| 00:14.37 | uberdub | whats safest way to upgrade gtk to 3.4 in jessie? |
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| 00:26.50 | andrewrey | With wpa_supplicant I fail to connect to a wireless, encrypted network. Running dhclient reveals a message: No DHCPOFFERS received. The output of my attempt is here: http://sprunge.us/WEjf |
| 00:26.53 | andrewrey | I can connect to the said network with NetworkManager, so I suspect I introduced some trivial error. |
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| 00:27.15 | onezuff | so far i have setup my own domain using bind, i host DHCP and wifi services for my lan, fileserver using syncthing, plexmedia for tv, madsonic for music server, mail server with iredmail . what are some other cool things to setup or learn? |
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| 00:33.19 | MrDetonia | Hi all; I have a black screen on boot issue I can't seem to fix. It's only started happening in the last couple of days so I guess an update is to blame somehow (running stable). |
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| 00:33.54 | AvatarA | MrDetonia, debian testing? |
| 00:33.57 | MrDetonia | Happens when booting into recovery mode as well, but disabling kms boots normally |
| 00:34.01 | MrDetonia | ^no, Jessie |
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| 00:34.53 | MrDetonia | only problem with nomodeset is poor graphical performance, and cinnamon being stuck in SW mode. It's an Acer laptop with an Intel graphics chip |
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| 00:36.40 | paperd | what intel graphics chipset? |
| 00:37.14 | MrDetonia | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display (rev 0e) |
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| 00:54.11 | paperd | that is supported by kernel 3.16 and you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed? |
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| 01:40.49 | sghost1 | when i try to boot this 64 bit net install iso from usb the computer just beeps and returns to the menu. how do i make it spit out an error or something so i can see why its not booting? |
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| 01:43.11 | Brigo | sghost1, what menu? |
| 01:43.36 | sghost1 | Brigo, where it says install / graphical install / advanced options |
| 01:44.26 | sghost1 | i select install and it just beeps.. if you look close enough it flashes at the bottom could not boot 'something' flashes by too fast to read it.. |
| 01:44.33 | Brigo | sghost1, did you try differents install methods, maybe any from advanced menu? |
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| 01:45.29 | sghost1 | Brigo, none of them work i even tried expert install but maybe i need to edit the boot parameters? |
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| 01:48.10 | Brigo | sghost1, you shouldn't. |
| 01:48.16 | Brigo | Why computer is that? |
| 01:48.31 | sghost1 | , /install.amd/vmlinuz priority=low vga=768 initrd=/install.amd/initrd.gz ---quiet is what it defaults to Brigo |
| 01:49.41 | sghost1 | Brigo, its a compaq presario cq50 139wm |
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| 01:52.01 | Brigo | sghost1, are you sure that image is the right one and it isn't damaged? |
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| 01:52.17 | Brigo | maybe that is the problem, i mean, it is a weird problem. |
| 01:53.24 | sghost1 | Brigo, well its an old computer so i think i may need to use some special boot option as ive had to do for others in the past but i cant remember them all.. like what if i disable acpi or use nomodeset or something? |
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| 01:53.39 | sghost1 | how would i go about setting that? |
| 01:54.47 | Brigo | sghost1, i think in expert install mode you can add some kernel boot parameters. |
| 01:55.20 | sghost1 | Brigo, when i try to boot expert install it just beeps and takes me back to the menu |
| 01:55.56 | Brigo | sghost1, give me a moment, so i can try it by myself. |
| 01:56.05 | sghost1 | ok |
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| 01:58.59 | Brigo | sghost1, you can edit the boot options using tab |
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| 01:59.50 | Brigo | sghost1, i find a spanish web saying you have to add all_generic_ide acpi=off to the boot kernel parameters. |
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| 02:01.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | anybody know is proxomox 4.x has openvz support? |
| 02:01.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | wiki does not seem to tell me, i see the files in the repo |
| 02:01.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | seriously missing my machine.... |
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| 02:01.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | if they had a #proxmox channel i would go there... |
| 02:01.54 | markybob | Eryn_1983_FL, yes |
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| 02:02.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 02:02.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | seems there is a channel *kicks self* |
| 02:02.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | sweet, i shall install that, |
| 02:02.33 | sghost1 | Brigo, ill be back.. im going to try the image on this machine to make sure its not just the image |
| 02:02.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried to convert from openvz to lxc and i failed, |
| 02:02.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | not sure what i did wrong and i could get 3.4 proxmox installer to run ( |
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| 02:18.42 | longlong | hi there, do debian have lts for wheezy ? |
| 02:18.47 | longlong | or squeeze |
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| 02:19.21 | somiaj | longlong: both, though wheezy is still reciving offical security support from debian |
| 02:19.28 | somiaj | !squeeze lts |
| 02:19.28 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:19.31 | somiaj | !wheezy lts |
| 02:20.06 | somiaj | longlong: well I am fairly certain wheezy will have lts support when debian security drops support in the next year. Unsure on how long and to what extent. |
| 02:20.53 | markybob | longlong, somiaj wheezy will have support until may 2018 |
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| 02:21.24 | longlong | somiaj: and wheezy lts will still be sys v init ? |
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| 02:22.15 | somiaj | longlong: wheezy can use either systemd or sysv, though sysv is the default and systemd in wheezy was just a preview (and I'm unsure if the lts team is supporting it) |
| 02:22.38 | somiaj | longlong: but yes wheezy by default is sysv and that is what the lts-team will spport. |
| 02:23.06 | longlong | sys v init, I like it |
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| 02:24.48 | somiaj | longlong: You can use sysv in jessie (though I do admit that it will take a little bit of work to setup) |
| 02:26.24 | longlong | somiaj: is that possible? |
| 02:27.04 | longlong | use sysv in jessie or the next version ? |
| 02:27.07 | markybob | longlong, yes. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation |
| 02:27.13 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 02:27.13 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
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| 02:28.37 | somiaj | longlong: in jessie, both systemd and sysvinit are supported and I belive the plan is to contiue to support both. It does take additional steps after you install and I have not tried it myself. |
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| 02:30.15 | themill | markybob: that page is full of pretty bad advice btw |
| 02:31.39 | longlong | somiaj: but the package maker will make two different init packages for that or two different source for that ? |
| 02:33.01 | somiaj | longlong: package matainers should matain both. So it will include both the init.d file and the systemd service file (or just use systemd's init.d script comadability). |
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| 02:35.39 | longlong | somiaj: but systemd is not just to control init, how about the others like udev if it is without systemd and use sysv |
| 02:35.56 | somiaj | longlong: My understanding is you will have systemd stuff on your system (such as .service files and systemd-shim for the systemd compoents such as logind and udevd), but your init system will be sysvinit |
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| 02:40.36 | longlong | somiaj: mix sysv and systemd, that sound not good, I think that will case some problems, and I maybe will miss the simple sysv |
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| 02:45.32 | marbar | hello all. has anyone gotten xserver-xorg-video-displaylink working with xorg-video-abi-19? it says it needs abi-11, but that's way old. thoughts? |
| 02:45.55 | marbar | or is there a better way to get displaylink working? |
| 02:46.08 | marbar | thanks in advance :) |
| 02:46.23 | marbar | (or would anyone recommend a better channel to ask this question?) |
| 02:47.44 | somiaj | longlong: it is supported and will remove systemd as init. Sure there are some components such as udev still there (but it isn't like you aren't using udev in wheezy). |
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| 02:48.33 | marbar | somiaj, do you have any advice on running a monitor with a displaylink usb-vga adapter? or could you recommend a more appropriate channel? thanks :) |
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| 02:50.30 | somiaj | marbar: nope, what version of debian are you running? |
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| 02:50.40 | marbar | somiaj, stretch |
| 02:50.45 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-displaylink |
| 02:50.46 | judd | No package named 'xserver-xorg-video-displaylink' was found in amd64. |
| 02:50.59 | marbar | yeah, it's only in the ubuntu repositories |
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| 02:51.16 | somiaj | marbar: well I woudl not expect a ubuntu driver to be configured to work with debian. |
| 02:51.26 | longlong | marbar: then down it from ubuntu rep |
| 02:51.28 | marbar | right. i got it working once. i just don't remember how. this is a fresh install. |
| 02:51.31 | somiaj | I'm unsure if you will have to try to install that by comjplining it from source or not. |
| 02:51.53 | somiaj | just be careful, ubuntu packages (even source ones) may not be compadable with debian |
| 02:52.41 | longlong | or you can compile it |
| 02:52.45 | marbar | when i got it working before, i think it must have been by downgrading my xserver-xorg-core to a version that shipped with xorg-video-abi-11 instead of abi-19 |
| 02:53.01 | marbar | i mean instead of abi-21 |
| 02:53.07 | marbar | er no, 19 |
| 02:54.05 | marbar | but it just seems like that would mess everything up |
| 02:56.44 | somiaj | marbar: I htink you are using a bit outdated info. debian seems to use have the udl module in the kernel, trying to see what is needed to link it with xorg. |
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| 02:57.27 | somiaj | marbar: when you plug the device in does dmesg show the driver udl loading ? |
| 02:57.29 | marbar | somiaj, thank you so much! yes, it would be nice if this worked without having to resort to ubuntu packages |
| 02:57.36 | marbar | i'll check thanks |
| 02:59.02 | marbar | somiaj, yes it looks like it loads. then there's a big call trace |
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| 02:59.40 | somiaj | marbar: from x run, 'xrandr --listproviders' do you see more than one? |
| 03:00.59 | marbar | here's my dmesg http://pastebin.com/sVsWxtdy |
| 03:01.12 | marbar | somiaj, there's only 1 provider |
| 03:02.18 | somiaj | marbar: what is your normal video driver? |
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| 03:03.54 | marbar | somiaj, i think i915 |
| 03:04.09 | marbar | also i noticed in the dmesg that it looks like it's using udlfb and udl |
| 03:04.15 | marbar | udlfb should be blacklisted or something right? |
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| 03:04.22 | somiaj | marbar: oh I see your issue you are using hte old udlfb device, and you need to use udl. balck list the udlfb device and then reboot. |
| 03:04.25 | somiaj | correct |
| 03:04.35 | marbar | yeah exactly, thanks! you rock dude! |
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| 03:07.40 | marbar | somiaj, thanks, it works! yay! |
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| 03:26.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | gotta love those proxmox peeps, i am getting all sorts of package errors trying to install via their repo on debian, |
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| 03:37.13 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: you're discovering why #debian does not support proxmox |
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| 03:43.36 | Ivoah | is "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main" okay for a sources.list? |
| 03:44.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | indeed |
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| 03:44.21 | Ivoah | thanks Eryn_1983_FL |
| 03:44.32 | Ivoah | I'm putting debian on my calculator :) |
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| 03:46.43 | Kyokushin | question how can I check what I've used apt-get to download. And i mean like for it to show me a list of everything that I've used apt-get to get and not deleted yet |
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| 03:48.23 | TheCoffeMaker | Kyokushin, ls /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:48.38 | Kyokushin | TheCoffeMaker: Thanks |
| 03:49.19 | TheCoffeMaker | Kyokushin, apt-get clean to delete them |
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| 03:50.04 | TheCoffeMaker | Kyokushin, you are wellcome |
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| 03:50.58 | Kyokushin | TheCoffeMaker: hey what if I dont havea var folder |
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| 03:51.39 | TheCoffeMaker | Kyokushin, well ... what can I say ... isn't that weird? |
| 03:51.44 | somiaj | Kyokushin: then you have problems. You don't have /var on your system at all? Or is it just you don't have /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 03:52.32 | Kyokushin | i cant cd into var |
| 03:52.43 | TheCoffeMaker | cd /var ? |
| 03:52.45 | Kyokushin | like i may have problems as I'm trying to run kali on a virtual machine |
| 03:52.57 | markybob | Kyokushin, we don't support kali |
| 03:53.03 | TheCoffeMaker | this is #debian ;) |
| 03:53.10 | markybob | !kali |
| 03:53.10 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 03:53.11 | Kyokushin | hey coffee maker I'm sorry i mispelled var |
| 03:53.14 | somiaj | Kyokushin: well if you are missing /var you have some big problems with your image. And for Kali support you should use their support channel. (: |
| 03:53.23 | Kyokushin | im sorry i misspelled it |
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| 03:53.56 | Kyokushin | markybob: I know, This question was a debian question not a kali question so i came here |
| 03:54.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol Ivoah |
| 03:54.32 | Ivoah | Eryn_1983_FL: ? |
| 03:54.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | calculator debian? |
| 03:54.54 | Ivoah | Eryn_1983_FL: http://codinghobbit.no-ip.org/blog/?p=81 |
| 03:54.56 | somiaj | Kyokushin: if you aren't running debian it isn't a debian question. Note there is overlap, but we choose to only support debian proper for techincial and social reasons and ask that if you choose to use kali you respect our choice. |
| 03:55.28 | Kyokushin | ok what about the following debian question i have that are debian specific? |
| 03:55.35 | Kyokushin | questions* |
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| 03:56.40 | somiaj | Kyokushin: by debian specific, you mean protain to a system that is running debian? |
| 03:56.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | looks like i need to install wheezy not jessie |
| 03:57.02 | arahael | Kyokushin: For all we know, the reason is that Kali doesn't let you do that. Does Kali normally allow you to cd into /var ? |
| 03:57.29 | somiaj | Kyokushin: feel free to ask questions about the debian os here. |
| 03:57.30 | Kyokushin | ok I'm sorry guys there was nothiong wrong with my var forlder. I misspelled 'var' |
| 03:57.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.43 | Kyokushin | somiaj: |
| 03:57.47 | Kyokushin | thansk |
| 03:57.47 | Kyokushin | thanks\ |
| 03:57.58 | Kyokushin | and yes |
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| 03:58.13 | Kyokushin | I do mean portaining to a system running deb |
| 03:58.34 | Kyokushin | i'm kinda new to this so i wanna not be rude adn do it properly |
| 03:58.52 | TheCoffeMaker | Kyokushin, distribution makers can make a lot of modifications on the way that debian behaves ... so ... we can't give you more advice than what we know for sure :D ... dont be mad ... anyway ... you want to really learn use debian and build your system properly |
| 03:59.16 | somiaj | Kyokushin: but anyways you got the answer to your question on where debian (and most likely kali) downloads the .deb files to. |
| 03:59.21 | Kyokushin | oh i see what youre saying |
| 03:59.25 | Kyokushin | so like ubuntu |
| 03:59.26 | Kyokushin | and kali |
| 03:59.33 | Kyokushin | and such are different mods on the debian |
| 03:59.35 | TheCoffeMaker | Kyokushin, yeap |
| 03:59.43 | markybob | !based on |
| 03:59.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:59.57 | Kyokushin | ooookkkk, I'm a noob im so sorry. I didnt know thats how it was |
| 04:00.07 | Kyokushin | i thought debian was a type |
| 04:00.10 | Kyokushin | of many |
| 04:00.18 | Kyokushin | my bad im gonna et debian right now though to play with it |
| 04:00.21 | somiaj | Kyokushin: think of it as part of the disto you choose is the support community. And #debian is part of the debian support comunity. And the reason we are telling you is not that we are upset, but informing you. |
| 04:00.22 | arahael | Kyokushin: Debian puts them into /var/cache/apt, but kali might put them in /hidden/debian-kali/apt/cache, or might not have an apt cache at all. |
| 04:00.33 | Kyokushin | i understand |
| 04:00.49 | Kyokushin | and I appriciate the time yall took to explain to me |
| 04:00.52 | Kyokushin | thank you |
| 04:01.06 | somiaj | Kyokushin: you're welcome. |
| 04:01.11 | TheCoffeMaker | ^_^ |
| 04:01.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think proxmox lack of usability has made me jaded against linux containers :( |
| 04:01.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am tempted to go bare metal from now own, but i dont wantr 10 physical machines running in my room, |
| 04:01.43 | arahael | Eryn_1983_FL: Why? |
| 04:01.55 | arahael | Eryn_1983_FL: And doesn't systemd have it's own container functionality, as does docker, et al? |
| 04:02.18 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: You should report a bug to proxmox |
| 04:02.19 | TheCoffeMaker | Eryn_1983_FL, use plane LXC |
| 04:02.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i tried using two of their isos to recover but both were failing on an grub error that would blink for like a second, |
| 04:02.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | arahael: second question i have no idea, i would like to use lxc but i got to recover openvz guests first, |
| 04:04.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i am downloading wheezy dvd iso and installing it then i will get openvz up and running to see if i can start those guests, |
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| 04:04.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | at this point it might of been faster to rebuild everything, |
| 04:04.54 | TheCoffeMaker | Eryn_1983_FL, locate the file systems ... the last time that I used openvz was 3 years ago ... so ... can't remember where they are ... but you must have another linux directories structures on you filesystem |
| 04:05.00 | arahael | Eryn_1983_FL: Generally, if I was doing container stuff, I'd like to make sure that I can trivially build and tear them down on demand. |
| 04:05.11 | arahael | Eryn_1983_FL: It fits with how you'd use them on cloud services as well, and also, dev-ops. |
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| 04:05.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just built them and left them alone besides installing services, |
| 04:06.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got puppet doing 99% of my stuff except like kerberos,and git and zfs |
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| 04:07.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | i suspect there is a way to take my root dir of guests and attach it to lxc but just copying them to a new container didn't work and i didn't want to play find the one thing i can copy over game.. |
| 04:07.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | can't |
| 04:07.57 | adrian_1908 | hello. Debian doesn't come with a default Desktop environment (or isn't built with a particular one in mind), correct? |
| 04:08.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | gnome ? |
| 04:08.18 | markybob | adrian_1908, the default is gnome. unless you download another iso |
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| 04:09.12 | somiaj | adrian_1908: I see it as debian gives you the choice of desktop. If you do not choose a desktop and ask debian to install one for you, it will choose debian (so thus default) |
| 04:11.02 | adrian_1908 | markybob, somiaj: I see. So if i chose e.g. some lightweight WM, I wouldn't find Debian working "against" me because it assumed a certain default; it's agnostic in that regard, yes? |
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| 04:11.58 | somiaj | adrian_1908: yea I use fvwm and many go that route. Note if you choose to use software that has extra gnome extensions, (or qt for kde say), you will end up installing part of that desktop (mostly libs) |
| 04:12.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | debian works for the users no against |
| 04:12.15 | somiaj | adrian_1908: you may not also be able to use all features, but it will work. |
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| 04:12.54 | somiaj | though my suggestion is find alternatives to the desktop specific stuff if it is an integrated part (like say the file manager) |
| 04:12.55 | adrian_1908 | somiaj: cool. Yeah, I realize that about GTK/QT dependent GUI apps. thanks. |
| 04:13.11 | somiaj | or gnome-pannel apps won't work in say icewm |
| 04:13.21 | somiaj | but I think you got the point |
| 04:15.20 | adrian_1908 | yup that's what I wanted to know. I'm trying to move to a more keyboard centric approach and went for Arch+i3 straight from Xubuntu, but now I realize that stability is an issue, so I thought Debian might be a good middle ground for me. |
| 04:16.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | lxde is pretty complete and not missing |
| 04:16.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | stuff |
| 04:16.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | kde gnome lxde, are full suites of tools |
| 04:16.57 | dvs | xfce! |
| 04:17.52 | adrian_1908 | I have LXDE on my netbook right now, it seems kind of feature incomplete to be honest. I will try to get accustomed to a tiling window manager for now. But having a somewhat more familiar and stable base (Debian) in the background seems like a sane idea to me know. |
| 04:18.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | i prefer xmonad for tiling |
| 04:18.38 | adrian_1908 | that's why I wanted to know if I can get it without a default Desktop that I would then have to push to the side or pry apart ;) |
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| 04:20.12 | adrian_1908 | Anyway, thanks for the quick answers y'all. |
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| 04:24.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | np |
| 04:24.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | yes yhou can adrian_1908 |
| 04:25.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | no need to install gnome at all i dont :) |
| 04:25.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | more space for my backgrounds lolz |
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| 04:36.26 | mrtesty | Does Debian support non-NIST curves for EC? |
| 04:36.31 | mrtesty | how do I find out? |
| 04:36.58 | somiaj | adrian_1908: I find I prefer to install a minimial system then just use apt to install the packages I wan't and don't let tasksel install a desktop for me (and if I find out I missed something, I install it) |
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| 04:40.48 | adrian_1908 | somiaj: yes, that sounds exactly like the approach i was aiming/hoping for. |
| 04:40.56 | AliSh | is xfce in debian jessi look like lxde? i mean like windows interface? |
| 04:41.44 | arahael | Somehow, I always think of IceWM as looking like windows. |
| 04:42.01 | AliSh | i hate. :) |
| 04:42.26 | AliSh | i have kde now but i am looking fast env |
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| 04:42.43 | AliSh | lxde is fast but its in win theme |
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| 04:43.19 | arahael | I personally like E17, though it is still a little buggy in some places. |
| 04:43.46 | AliSh | i didnt try it but i like its theme |
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| 04:44.39 | AliSh | i havent any problem with kde interface. its just slow on openning win manager and login and sometime on openning apps |
| 04:46.40 | adrian_1908 | I actually think XFCE is really nice, hits the "sweet spot" for fully functional desktops for me. The default file manager (thunar) was quite buggy for me, but the rest of the apps are a nice tradeoff between features and lightness. |
| 04:48.51 | AliSh | i tried it several years ago and that was good experience. but because my job and some problems i was unable to struggle with envs. i just ran gnome and then i have migrated to kde.(because fknts and paddjngs problems) |
| 04:49.23 | arahael | xfce and lxde are both nice, imho. |
| 04:49.51 | AfroThundr | mrtesty: It depends on the version of gpg2 you have installed. It should support the NIST curves last I checked. |
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| 04:50.41 | AfroThundr | mrtesty: sorry, read that wrong. It supports non-NIST curves like ED25519 as well. |
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| 04:51.45 | AliSh | but i should say after lenny i didnt experience any bug that halt my system. Debian <3 |
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| 04:59.28 | AfroThundr | mrtesty: you can find out more on the gpg wiki: https://www.gnupg.org/faq/whats-new-in-2.1.html |
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| 05:09.42 | mrtesty | ED25519 :) |
| 05:12.49 | pasturesofplenty | how difficult is it to do some variant of a keyboardless install with debian? i sort of understand that you can do this with preseeding but some of the documentation of this doesnt seem to be helping me much |
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| 05:31.56 | mrtesty | how do I find out what curves are support by my OS's openssl lib? |
| 05:32.02 | srg | Where is Postfix chroot'ed to? |
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| 05:33.18 | quantic | mrtesty: openssl ecparam -list_curves |
| 05:34.50 | swift110-phone | Hey mrtesty |
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| 05:39.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok so are the openvz masters online? |
| 05:40.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause i need some helps i am so freaking close |
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| 05:40.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/bWe93aqP |
| 05:41.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | here are the errors i am getting other machine i created from statch works ok, this one is having errors its the one i am trying to recover |
| 05:44.16 | n0d3 | disk quota exceeded? |
| 05:46.30 | mrtesty | swift110-phone, hey I am trying to gen ec keys with easyrsa and setup a openvpn |
| 05:46.37 | mrtesty | it looks there is a lot of hidden info |
| 05:46.50 | swift110-phone | Ok |
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| 05:48.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm i got it |
| 05:48.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | i put in DISK_QUOTA="no" |
| 05:48.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | in the config |
| 05:48.37 | mrtesty | quantic, so there is no support for non-NIST curves in debian? |
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| 05:48.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | they look like their coming up i need to setup network though.. and verify they are up by logging in |
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| 05:51.02 | quantic | mrtesty: what version of openvpn are you using? if it's in stable, I don't think ec is supported. |
| 05:52.31 | quantic | mrtesty: and from the list I just pulled, there are a lot of non-NIST curves supported. |
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| 05:58.24 | mrtesty | quantic, like what? I am using openvpn provided with debian stable |
| 06:01.01 | quantic | mrtesty: secp112r1 secp112r2 secp128r1 secp128r2 secp160k1 secp160r1 secp160r2 secp192k1 secp224k1 secp224r1 secp256k1 secp384r1 secp521r1 prime192v1 prime192v2 prime192v3 prime239v1 prime239v2 prime239v3 prime256v1 sect113r1 sect113r2 sect131r1 sect131r2 sect163k1 sect163r1 sect163r2 sect193r1 sect193r2 sect233k1 sect233r1 sect239k1 sect283k1 sect283r1 sect409k1 sect409r1 sect571k1 sect571r1 c2pnb163v1 c2 |
| 06:01.07 | quantic | pnb163v2 c2pnb163v3 c2pnb176v1 c2tnb191v1 c2tnb191v2 c2tnb191v3 c2pnb208w1 c2tnb239v1 c2tnb239v2 c2tnb239v3 c2pnb272w1 c2pnb304w1 c2tnb359v1 c2pnb368w1 c2tnb431r1 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls1 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls3 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls4 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls5 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls6 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls7 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls8 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls9 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls10 wap-wsg-idm-ecid-wtls11 wap-wsg-idm-ec |
| 06:01.13 | quantic | id-wtls12 |
| 06:01.16 | quantic | ack |
| 06:01.35 | mrtesty | quantic, ok which one do you think is good for easyrsa key gen? |
| 06:01.41 | mrtesty | in ec crypto mode? |
| 06:01.52 | mrtesty | https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa/blob/master/easyrsa3/vars.example |
| 06:02.35 | quantic | mrtesty: are you using the stable release of openvpn? |
| 06:03.06 | mrtesty | quantic, yes sir |
| 06:03.19 | quantic | mrtesty: then none of them. again, openvpn doesn't support ECDSA certs. |
| 06:03.45 | mrtesty | quantic, oh so it only support tls-cipher-suite for negotiation? |
| 06:03.48 | quantic | mrtesty: use RSA 2048, or if you're feeling particularly tinfoil-hat-y, RSA 3072. |
| 06:04.50 | mrtesty | quantic, openvpn --show-tls |
| 06:04.56 | mrtesty | gives you a lot of them |
| 06:04.58 | mrtesty | what is that? |
| 06:05.12 | mrtesty | TLS-ECDHE-RSA-WITH-AES-256-GCM-SHA384 |
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| 06:05.15 | mrtesty | this is on top |
| 06:05.28 | quantic | mrtesty: TLS ciphersuites, exactly what the package says. |
| 06:05.50 | mrtesty | quantic, so why won't it support EC certs then? |
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| 06:07.07 | quantic | mrtesty: using EC for key negotiation is a whole different thing than using ECDSA certificates. |
| 06:07.35 | quantic | mrtesty: tl;dr ECDSA certs aren't supported, use RSA, end of story. |
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| 06:09.06 | mrtesty | quantic, what options do you recommend for https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa/blob/master/easyrsa3/vars.example |
| 06:09.11 | mrtesty | before gen keys? |
| 06:09.18 | mrtesty | I am going to use RSA 4096 |
| 06:09.23 | quantic | mrtesty: don't. |
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| 06:09.35 | mrtesty | what don't? |
| 06:09.39 | quantic | mrtesty: use RSA 4096. |
| 06:09.44 | quantic | mrtesty: don't. |
| 06:09.49 | mrtesty | why |
| 06:09.59 | mrtesty | useless? |
| 06:10.10 | mrtesty | ok then 3072 |
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| 06:10.31 | quantic | mrtesty: law of diminishing returns on RSA key sizes. 2048 ~~ 112 bit security. 3072 ~~ 128 bit security. |
| 06:10.56 | quantic | mrtesty: and use the version of easy-rsa that's installed with openvpn on deb stable. I've had numerous issues using the newer versions. |
| 06:11.09 | quantic | mrtesty: improper cert extensions/purposes, etc. |
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| 06:11.41 | mrtesty | quantic, ok, I would use the version came but I need some hardening? |
| 06:11.54 | beergear | openvpn installation? |
| 06:12.05 | quantic | mrtesty: and what hardening do you need beyond the defaults? |
| 06:12.47 | mrtesty | quantic, like digest size SHA 256 |
| 06:12.49 | beergear | mrtesty: right from the openvpn guys https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Hardening |
| 06:13.06 | quantic | mrtesty: read the man page, particularly the cipher and auth directives. |
| 06:13.10 | mrtesty | beergear, openvpn server installtion and configuration hardening |
| 06:13.29 | beergear | mrtesty: yeah read that link, it gives you a good idea about openvpn's options regarding that |
| 06:14.21 | beergear | you'll want tls-auth, because it is the most powerful feature of openvpn's hardening imo, it is a PSK that is invoked in pre-auth openvpn comms. |
| 06:15.09 | beergear | it's an authentication step outisde tls that openvpn has created |
| 06:15.43 | mrtesty | beergear, what about HMAC? |
| 06:15.57 | mrtesty | beergear, Do you have link for harden openvpn server configuration |
| 06:16.55 | beergear | what do you mean what about hmac? |
| 06:17.15 | beergear | and no I don't have my old config, I looked for it the other day and couldn't find it :/ |
| 06:17.37 | quantic | mrtesty: I suggest you read through the openvpn manual and documentation and develop a better understanding of how the system works, and what some of the more complex mechanisms mean and do. |
| 06:17.40 | beergear | use the openvpn documentation, and that hardening wiki link and it will be a good setup |
| 06:17.51 | beergear | yeah exactly what quantic said |
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| 06:19.39 | quantic | mrtesty: I'm not trying to be mean, but just entering the "strongest looking" options can cause you alot of trouble. You had to ask what TLS ciphersuites were, and the difference between ECDHE and ECDSA. The defaults, plus the hardening guide, are likely more than good enough. |
| 06:20.06 | mrtesty | auth SHA512 <-- beergear I was talking about this |
| 06:20.17 | mrtesty | # data channel HMAC generation |
| 06:20.30 | quantic | mrtesty: SHA512 is unnecessary. That's what I'm talking about, right there. |
| 06:20.36 | beergear | Yeah |
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| 06:20.48 | beepie | hooyeah |
| 06:20.57 | beepie | that's what i'm talking about baby |
| 06:21.03 | beergear | sha2 family is considered industry/government standard for securing everything |
| 06:21.10 | beergear | you will be very good using any of them |
| 06:21.20 | beergear | but sha256 is probably good enough |
| 06:21.27 | quantic | not probably. definitely. |
| 06:21.40 | mrtesty | beergear, ok |
| 06:21.42 | beergear | yes I should have used stronger language there, probably ;) |
| 06:22.20 | quantic | RSA 2048, AES 128, SHA 256 is plenty. The only organizations that could even conceivably scratch that will just knock you out and toss you in a black van rather than break your crypto. :P |
| 06:22.28 | mrtesty | beergear, but man I would like to mention tls-cipher to use at least in the configuration files |
| 06:22.29 | mrtesty | :) |
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| 06:22.46 | beepie | mrtesty, man tls-cipher<enter> |
| 06:23.09 | beepie | :) |
| 06:23.12 | beepie | eepies |
| 06:23.19 | beepie | creeps! |
| 06:23.27 | beepie | !nerds alert! |
| 06:23.29 | quantic | bleeps, creeps, sweeps |
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| 06:23.56 | mrtesty | quantic, beergear I am just saying things like good tls-cipher and max client in server.conf can help secure a lot of things |
| 06:24.05 | beergear | ok here is a cipher preference list I use for ssh |
| 06:24.08 | beergear | ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA384 |
| 06:24.23 | mrtesty | beergear, do you trust ECDHE more? |
| 06:24.23 | Guest88944 | Hello, i would be able to see (at console) which ports are use by connection-activity (from extern to my pc). what tools should i use? |
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| 06:24.30 | beergear | here is another (broken syntax) one |
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| 06:24.33 | beergear | TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA256:TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256:TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA256 |
| 06:24.41 | quantic | beergear: which won't work because openvpn doesn't support ECDSA, and those strings will kill openvpn entirely. |
| 06:24.49 | beergear | Yes I know, don't use those! |
| 06:24.53 | beergear | It is just an example |
| 06:25.03 | beepie | Guest88944, tcpdump shows live traffic, netstat or ss can show |
| 06:25.04 | mrtesty | TLS-ECDHE-RSA-WITH-AES-256-GCM-SHA384 |
| 06:25.04 | quantic | mrtesty: use. the. defaults. |
| 06:25.08 | mrtesty | is best openvpn supports :) |
| 06:25.14 | mrtesty | quantic, ok I got it, :) |
| 06:25.15 | quantic | mrtesty: Unless you can actually EXPLAIN what all of that is. |
| 06:25.23 | beergear | But note how I have listed the lower size keys first, and in higher preference than the 256 keys. |
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| 06:25.33 | Guest88944 | ok, i will try it. thank you beepie |
| 06:26.05 | beergear | This is because it is wayyy easier to use a less resource intensive cipher, and do 128 bits, then ask the client to use 256 every time. |
| 06:26.09 | beepie | Guest88944, netstat -plutn is the easy one to remember , the -l means things that are listening |
| 06:26.21 | mrtesty | quantic, omg so ECDSA is the cert thing in tls cipher suite? |
| 06:26.25 | mrtesty | which is missing in Openvpn |
| 06:26.47 | beergear | I don't think openvpn can do GCM, I've heard it can be done with newer openssl, but I've never gotten it to work. |
| 06:27.03 | mrtesty | beergear, i cannot do GCM for data channel |
| 06:27.04 | beergear | I don't think it can use ec either.... |
| 06:27.06 | quantic | beergear: it can. |
| 06:27.17 | mrtesty | but for key negotiation it can |
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| 06:27.21 | quantic | beergear: It CAN do AESGCM and ECDHE for key neg. It CANNOT do ECDSA. |
| 06:27.30 | beergear | Right ok |
| 06:27.37 | mrtesty | quantic, but it cannot do it for Data channel right? |
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| 06:28.18 | beergear | The data channel is encrypted with a symmetric cipher, using a key generated by that process. |
| 06:28.37 | quantic | mrtesty: the data channel is just a typical AES CBC mode. |
| 06:28.39 | beergear | So it will always be blowfish, or aes or whatever in some mode |
| 06:29.10 | mrtesty | CBC mode |
| 06:29.11 | mrtesty | :) |
| 06:29.26 | mrtesty | beergear, I am thinking about using AES_128_CBC |
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| 06:29.42 | mrtesty | there is new option for the key size even for cipher of data channel |
| 06:29.44 | mrtesty | :) |
| 06:29.52 | mrtesty | there are of lot of things to study and deploy |
| 06:30.11 | quantic | mrtesty: doesn't apply to all ciphers. Only ciphers listed as variable in openvpn --show-ciphers |
| 06:30.32 | beergear | this is why ya gotta read the docs :P |
| 06:30.47 | mrtesty | but there is no DOCS! |
| 06:30.50 | mrtesty | for openvpn 2.3 |
| 06:30.57 | uberdub | can I use ubuntu ppa on jessie? |
| 06:31.00 | mrtesty | there are no example for openvpn 2.3 configuration |
| 06:31.12 | quantic | mrtesty: the examples come with the package. o.o |
| 06:31.20 | quantic | mrtesty: somewhere in /usr/share, I think. |
| 06:31.26 | mrtesty | quantic, omg I forgot |
| 06:31.27 | Guest88944 | beepie i use netstat... and established is that, what is look for? But... i connected via smartphone over https to my pc. get a connection (shown on the smartphone), but netstat dont show the connection. |
| 06:31.29 | mrtesty | let me check out |
| 06:31.43 | quantic | mrtesty: and there are TONS of docs. the openvpn project site has MASSIVE documentation. |
| 06:31.50 | beergear | mrtesty: https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Openvpn23ManPage |
| 06:32.00 | beergear | mrtesty: https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation.html |
| 06:32.25 | beergear | mrtesty: https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/FAQ |
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| 06:32.44 | beergear | https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn |
| 06:32.58 | beergear | I could go on for quite some time |
| 06:33.07 | beergear | :p |
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| 06:33.14 | beergear | it is suuuuper well documented |
| 06:33.18 | beergear | way better than most projects |
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| 06:33.58 | mrtesty | beergear, ok if you agree to your own statements, show me the openvpn 2.3.x version examples with all the features that Openvpn 2.3x has to offer us from any of those links you have posted |
| 06:34.20 | beergear | mrtesty: from the second one https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/ChangesInOpenvpn23 |
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| 06:34.47 | beepie | Guest88944, -l i told you shows the "listening" |
| 06:35.07 | beepie | Guest88944, removing -l shows established |
| 06:35.14 | quantic | mrtesty: dude, you need to READ the docs, not have someone showcase them for you. :/ |
| 06:35.43 | mrtesty | quantic, sorry |
| 06:35.44 | mrtesty | :[ |
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| 06:36.32 | beepie | !rtfm |
| 06:36.33 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 06:36.35 | beepie | lol |
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| 06:37.16 | mrtesty | beergear, quantic ok then I find the defaults with a few caveats to be secure enough but I would do fews things 1) auth as SHA256 2) tls-cipher as TLS_ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA384 3) cipher as AES_128_CBC 4) verb 0 |
| 06:37.20 | mrtesty | final :) |
| 06:37.28 | mrtesty | Also RSA key size = 3k |
| 06:37.30 | mrtesty | :) |
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| 06:37.45 | Guest88944 | beepie i wonder... the smartphone is connected, but it is not shown. not in listening, either in established. ??? |
| 06:38.14 | beergear | mrtesty: it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to attack that |
| 06:38.28 | beepie | Guest88944, maybe the session is "short" and fast, for that you can catch it with "tcpdump" (i also mention that above) |
| 06:38.42 | beepie | tcpdump -n port <number> |
| 06:38.52 | beergear | openvpn is very well known software, and there isn't an abundance of openvpn breaking bugs around |
| 06:39.22 | Guest88944 | yes, is saw it, but i hope netstat could help... but :( i have to use tcpdump. thank you again |
| 06:39.24 | beepie | Guest88944, you can ask on #linux, this has nothing to do with debian |
| 06:39.34 | quantic | mrtesty: that tls cipher won't work. AES 128 is matched to SHA 256. |
| 06:39.38 | beergear | If it breaks, also lots of other people, and software are broken. Thats a problem for everybody, not just you :P |
| 06:39.54 | beergear | quantic: I was thinking that but I think openvpn lets you do it |
| 06:40.02 | beergear | it might just default internally to 256 |
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| 06:40.18 | mrtesty | beergear, quantic also root CA and CRT expire in 90 days :) |
| 06:40.18 | quantic | beergear: it actually does not. |
| 06:40.24 | mrtesty | quantic, omg why so? |
| 06:40.27 | quantic | mrtesty: ... why? |
| 06:40.31 | beergear | welp my bad then |
| 06:40.41 | mrtesty | quantic, why won't tls-cipher work? |
| 06:40.51 | quantic | mrtesty: because SHA384 with AES128 makes no sense. |
| 06:41.08 | quantic | mrtesty: And why do you have such a short expiration time? :/ |
| 06:41.08 | mrtesty | but it is supported by openvpn? |
| 06:41.13 | beergear | mrtesty: It is of differing strengths |
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| 06:41.19 | quantic | mrtesty: no. That TLS cipher string doesn't exist. |
| 06:41.20 | beergear | the standards don't say to do that |
| 06:41.32 | beergear | so it isn't done, for reasons above my head |
| 06:41.39 | beergear | ##crypto would probably be able to tell you |
| 06:41.45 | quantic | beergear: i can answer that. |
| 06:41.50 | beergear | yeah? =D |
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| 06:42.28 | quantic | AES-128 establishes a 128-bit security level. hash algorithms follow the 2n for n rule because of the birthday paradox, and so SHA256 is considered to be at the 128-bit security level. |
| 06:42.29 | mrtesty | quantic, omg I mean TLS-ECDHE-RSA-WITH-AES-128-GCM-SHA256 not sha384 sorry I self type it hence error |
| 06:42.53 | beergear | quantic: oh yes ok I knew about relative strengths of these algorithms :P |
| 06:43.02 | mrtesty | but whey not use TLS-ECDHE-RSA-WITH-AES-256-GCM-SHA384 |
| 06:43.10 | beergear | It doesn't make sense to burn the extra cpu calculating it |
| 06:43.12 | quantic | mrtesty: because you don't need AES256. |
| 06:43.21 | quantic | because of what beergear said |
| 06:43.25 | mrtesty | quantic, hence i pick AES_128 |
| 06:43.26 | mrtesty | :) |
| 06:43.38 | mrtesty | quantic, even for data channel |
| 06:43.44 | mrtesty | see I am not going for over kill options now |
| 06:43.44 | mrtesty | :) |
| 06:44.06 | quantic | your tls-cipher, auth, and cipher selections should all match each other in terms of security level. if you don't, you're either introducing a weaker link, or burning CPU cycles uselessly. |
| 06:44.23 | mrtesty | quantic, now it matches :) |
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| 06:44.33 | mrtesty | SHA256 everywhere and AES_128 |
| 06:46.23 | beergear | I like AES 128, SHA256, curve25519/secp256r1, rsa 3072, CBC/GCM/CTR for most of my things. |
| 06:46.27 | beepie | !testicles |
| 06:46.27 | dpkg | DUDE YOU'RE NUTZ! |
| 06:46.32 | beepie | mrtesty, ^ |
| 06:46.39 | beepie | yep |
| 06:46.41 | beergear | People that I've talked to and read online seem to agree these are good standards. |
| 06:46.50 | beergear | So I'll go with that |
| 06:46.50 | mrtesty | beergear, What are you talking about? |
| 06:47.03 | mrtesty | beergear, but we cannot mention curves for RSA keys right? |
| 06:47.08 | beergear | Just in general, I default things that use crypto to those things. |
| 06:47.13 | beergear | Yes I know :P |
| 06:47.24 | mrtesty | beergear, ok I am going to use RSA 3k keys too |
| 06:47.32 | mrtesty | it is finally set now and i would gen everything by night |
| 06:47.35 | mrtesty | on the VPS |
| 06:47.40 | mrtesty | and boomshakala |
| 06:47.41 | mrtesty | :) |
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| 06:48.00 | mrtesty | beergear, but I want to see how VPN logs, should i keep the logs on? |
| 06:48.14 | beergear | that is a question only you can answer dude |
| 06:49.33 | beepie | smells like testy and beergear are doing shakespeare on security |
| 06:49.54 | beepie | what else smells on a weird sunday morning |
| 06:49.58 | beergear | I'm sorry beepie was that too much? |
| 06:50.38 | beepie | i use 2048 rsa keys for that matter |
| 06:50.46 | beepie | after i do a portknocking |
| 06:50.49 | beepie | ha! |
| 06:50.59 | beepie | now that's robust.. |
| 06:51.01 | beepie | yo |
| 06:51.21 | beepie | you don't need to go beyond that I think |
| 06:51.23 | beepie | haha |
| 06:51.37 | beepie | !geek-alert |
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| 06:51.52 | beergear | I have never used port knocking, is it quick to setup? |
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| 06:51.55 | beepie | goes back to joomla |
| 06:52.10 | beepie | it's tough because most people use a harder syntax than it has to be |
| 06:52.10 | swift110-phone | Hey guys |
| 06:52.21 | beepie | beergear, if u want i can pastebin a sample what i use (iptables) |
| 06:52.33 | beergear | iptables has port knocking? sure yeah that'd be cool |
| 06:52.40 | beergear | hi swift110-phone |
| 06:52.53 | beepie | i use hping3 for the udp traffic |
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| 06:53.29 | beepie | removing the sensitive numbers from it first |
| 06:53.47 | beergear | yeah of course :P I was wondering about that |
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| 06:59.50 | beepie | beergear, http://pastebin.com/dMuStfRd |
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| 07:00.02 | beergear | sweet thanks! |
| 07:00.09 | beepie | beergear, it's more clear than most of the others you see online |
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| 07:00.34 | beepie | beergear, because it's all lined up nicely in the "PN" section if you read it , it's got "!" for negation |
| 07:00.41 | beergear | yeah I was just reading through the digitalocean guide |
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| 07:00.48 | beepie | beergear, you use iptables -N <name> to create the new sections |
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| 07:01.03 | beepie | beergear, iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
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| 07:01.22 | beergear | *nods* yeah I see what's going on, I use shorewall, so I'll have to look how to do custom chains. |
| 07:01.33 | beepie | beergear, the related,established should be before the PN jump rule for INPUT |
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| 07:02.39 | beepie | beergear, if you don't have a "jump" target, the line get's parsed and iptables continues to the next row.. |
| 07:02.49 | beepie | beergear, you'll see this in the CP3 section |
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| 07:03.17 | beepie | beergear, so if there's a "wrong" third port knock, then immediately "reset" by removing CP1 and CP2 |
| 07:04.22 | beergear | *reading iptables man page* |
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| 07:05.46 | beergear | so --set puts a counter on CP1/2/3? |
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| 07:07.14 | beepie | that's for -m recent |
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| 07:07.33 | beepie | when the third port knock matches, then it gets an assignment in the -m recent whitelist |
| 07:07.52 | beepie | whitelist traffic then matches the related,established rule |
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| 07:08.32 | beergear | I see ok! coll |
| 07:08.39 | beepie | beergear, also be sure your default policy for INPUT is DROP |
| 07:08.47 | beepie | beergear, (iptables -P INPUT DROP) |
| 07:08.49 | beergear | gotta try it now |
| 07:09.04 | beepie | beergear, you can rename CP1 to anything like PORKNOCK1 if you want |
| 07:09.05 | beergear | to drop the packets after they are flagged? |
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| 07:09.17 | beergear | *nods* |
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| 07:09.48 | beepie | beergear, yes otherwise if there's no "target" , it'll just resume back to INPUT, it's easier to see what happens to the packet, so better to just DROP it in the same section |
| 07:10.13 | beepie | beergear, the module "-m recent" keeps a tab in memory for the last several seconds on the "source ip address" |
| 07:10.28 | beepie | beergear, so you have to script the knocks with "hping3" |
| 07:10.31 | beepie | beergear, (udp) |
| 07:11.14 | beepie | to be safe, you can set ICMP to DROP, in case your machine is doing icmp traffic to the server |
| 07:12.07 | beepie | also be sure you "close" any webbrowser connecting to your server as there's so much junk that still is live coming from firefox,chrome, etc.. |
| 07:12.29 | beepie | (that's why i place icmp right at the top) |
| 07:12.32 | beergear | oh right because it's the same IP |
| 07:12.43 | beepie | the icmp drop is optinal |
| 07:12.51 | beergear | *nods* |
| 07:12.53 | beepie | but in case there's problems.. |
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| 07:13.31 | beergear | I confess this is the first time I have gotten my hands dirty using iptables :/ |
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| 07:14.26 | beepie | with a couple of lines you can use flood protection .. |
| 07:14.30 | beepie | (connlimit) |
| 07:14.42 | beergear | O |
| 07:14.50 | beepie | and penalize source ip with delays.. |
| 07:15.05 | beergear | I've always used shorewall or other abstractions, this doesn't seem nearly as hard as I thought it would be. |
| 07:15.14 | beepie | i tend to penalize any ip not hitting on the webserver port to "two minutes" ban |
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| 07:15.33 | beepie | these are problematic scan source ips that are not things like legitimate webcrawlers |
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| 07:15.50 | beergear | holdon neighbors are being wierd at 2am... |
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| 07:17.04 | beergear | yay they are just drunk |
| 07:17.20 | beepie | if you use iptables you don't need junk like fail2ban |
| 07:17.31 | beepie | :p |
| 07:17.36 | beergear | beepie: don't penalise those people :( sometimes I accedientally try to connect to the wrong server....like a lot |
| 07:17.51 | beepie | beergear, ? |
| 07:17.52 | beergear | yeah I realise it's super powerful |
| 07:18.05 | beergear | The IP's that connect to your server on non web ports |
| 07:18.26 | beepie | beergear, if someone is trying to connect to port XX not being port 80 or 443, (eg, port 22), they're doing it intentionally |
| 07:18.53 | beergear | some of them are just me borking a key somwhere :p |
| 07:19.02 | beepie | beergear, next thing they'll do is scan for available services port 80... so might as well block them without them realizing there's any services available to begin with |
| 07:19.12 | beergear | I have tried to connect to others by ssh on accident before |
| 07:19.26 | beepie | beergear, you've tried "ssh google.com" ? |
| 07:19.30 | beepie | beergear, lol |
| 07:19.36 | beepie | beergear, it's a dynamic ban |
| 07:19.54 | beepie | beergear, the iptables auto-blocks the offending ip for 2 minutes.. so there's no permanent ban |
| 07:19.54 | beergear | well no, but one or two numbers off in a cloud providers ip range :P |
| 07:20.18 | beergear | yeah I know, I've used banlists before, just being stupid |
| 07:20.35 | beepie | i find it dumb to maintain banlists... i just let iptables do the work for me |
| 07:20.41 | beepie | (for simple little sites) |
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| 07:21.17 | beergear | I think I'll buck up and use it |
| 07:21.21 | beergear | like a real linux user |
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| 07:24.14 | beepie | for jessie, they made it tricky for having iptables-save with iptables-persistent, the new package "netfilter-persistent" has to be installed along with it |
| 07:24.17 | beepie | (systemd) |
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| 07:24.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i just install zfs, and i need to know how to recompile my kernel again since it complained i didnt have the source installed for openvz, but now i do, and reinstalling the app don't work.. |
| 07:24.47 | beergear | so I should install netfliter-persistent? |
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| 07:25.13 | beepie | yeah because that's for meeting systemd things-- it also relies to have iptables-persistent take care of the iptables-restore |
| 07:25.19 | beepie | (you need to install both packages) |
| 07:25.40 | beepie | all you need for testing is playing with the iptables command |
| 07:25.53 | beepie | and for saving it's merely with iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
| 07:25.57 | beergear | so if I want to drop anything with iptables I just use -j DROP? |
| 07:26.05 | beepie | (so on next reboot, netfilter-persistent loads it) |
| 07:26.08 | beergear | I assume also -j REJECT yes? |
| 07:26.16 | beepie | reject gives a reply.. |
| 07:26.26 | beepie | for hostile traffic i prefer just to use drop |
| 07:26.27 | beepie | :P |
| 07:27.02 | beepie | it's administrative preference |
| 07:27.20 | beergear | I drop any unknown source traffic, but internal traffic I reject. |
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| 07:27.50 | beepie | for the portknock you want to use DROP |
| 07:28.00 | beepie | becaues you don't want to reveal those port numbers |
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| 07:28.12 | beepie | (in replies if any) |
| 07:28.35 | beergear | well anyone that can watch the connection can get the sequence really |
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| 07:28.46 | beepie | yeah, but to date i see noyone.. |
| 07:28.49 | beepie | :p |
| 07:30.26 | beergear | nah it's an ok technology imo, similar to fail2ban |
| 07:30.41 | beepie | fail2ban is much slower. it's crap which is why i don't use it |
| 07:30.46 | beergear | keeps the logs clean |
| 07:30.52 | beepie | logs? |
| 07:30.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok different question how to rebuild my kernel? maybe that one will spark some conversation.. |
| 07:30.59 | beepie | beergear, -j LOG ? |
| 07:31.05 | beepie | beergear, you can use that too with iptables. |
| 07:31.06 | beergear | you don't log ssh attempts? |
| 07:31.12 | beergear | no not packets |
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| 07:31.16 | beepie | beergear, you can log anything. |
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| 07:31.26 | beepie | beergear, ssh logging by default shows up with auth.log |
| 07:31.38 | beergear | I know the capabilities of iptables, I use shorewall pretty thoroughly. |
| 07:31.41 | beepie | beergear, there's also ULOG2 |
| 07:32.05 | beepie | beergear, if i'd be logging per packet on the wrong port my logs would be in the megabytes |
| 07:32.07 | beergear | yes of course, I just meant fail2ban is good at keeping logs clean |
| 07:32.15 | beergear | similarly to port knocking |
| 07:32.17 | beepie | beergear, there's no logging i'm using. |
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| 07:32.29 | beepie | beergear, if i want to use logging i use -j LOG with iptables. |
| 07:32.43 | beepie | beergear, fail2ban is not as fast or close to using iptables.. |
| 07:32.54 | beergear | ...logging unauthorised access attempts to services such as ssh |
| 07:32.57 | beepie | beergear, you're using firewalling at kernel speeds |
| 07:33.00 | beergear | it prevents logs |
| 07:33.08 | beepie | beergear, ssh is not even open |
| 07:33.15 | beepie | beergear, unless you pass through the knock |
| 07:33.27 | beepie | beergear, :p |
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| 07:33.35 | beergear | because they don't constantly abbie, anne, apple, whatever try and guess |
| 07:33.41 | beepie | beergear, huh? |
| 07:33.56 | beergear | You've never seen someone guess like 300 usernames against your ssh server? |
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| 07:34.08 | beergear | oracle usernames seem to be very popular |
| 07:34.12 | beepie | beergear, you're babbling.. if you see the iptables again, you'll see where the "port" service (handshake) is reached.. it can only be reached after CP3 is successful :) |
| 07:35.02 | beergear | ... |
| 07:35.14 | beergear | You are failing to understand what I'm saying is what is happening :P |
| 07:35.16 | beepie | it's beyond fail2ban :) |
| 07:35.31 | beergear | I was comparing fail2ban, and port knockings security strength. |
| 07:35.49 | beepie | i'm understanding fail2bans shortcomings which is why i don't use it :) |
| 07:35.50 | beergear | They are both good for keeping the logs clean, but don't really have a huge impact against targeted attacks. |
| 07:35.57 | beepie | you think i don't know about fail2ban? :) |
| 07:36.04 | beepie | what? |
| 07:36.06 | beergear | Yes it seems to be superior in some regards |
| 07:36.19 | beepie | alirght |
| 07:36.22 | beergear | I was comparing them, not trying to educate you about em |
| 07:36.31 | beergear | not fail2ban, iptables is superior for that |
| 07:36.42 | beergear | fail2ban is clunky |
| 07:36.44 | beepie | i know about fail2ban |
| 07:36.48 | beepie | it's python.. |
| 07:36.58 | beergear | don't hate on python now |
| 07:37.04 | beepie | nothing to do with python |
| 07:37.15 | beepie | gtg |
| 07:37.22 | beepie | take care with that fail2ban stuff XD |
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| 07:37.26 | beergear | later |
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| 07:39.43 | dutchfish | beergear, http://netfilter.org/projects/nfacct/ |
| 07:41.35 | dutchfish | beergear, i use that along with ulogd2 |
| 07:41.58 | beergear | sweet thanks :) |
| 07:44.06 | beergear | to be honest beepie being a prick kinda turned me off iptables for now :P |
| 07:44.13 | beergear | maybe later I'll take another look |
| 07:44.35 | dutchfish | beergear, fair enough, keep it safe. |
| 07:44.54 | beergear | yeah you too :) |
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| 07:48.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | nevermind guys i am getting it i think.. |
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| 07:49.53 | beergear | Eryn_1983_FL: I don't build kernels, I let the debian folks do it for me. Otherwise |
| 07:49.59 | beergear | *I'd comment |
| 07:50.37 | brian|lfs | a/s/l |
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| 07:51.20 | brian|lfs | hello |
| 07:52.27 | bittin | hi |
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| 07:53.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | okies i got an error here i need some syntax for dkms now |
| 07:53.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/K4PeR761 |
| 07:53.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to make it find the dang kernel source/header/whatever |
| 07:54.36 | beergear | well it tells you right there to... |
| 07:54.37 | beergear | Please install the linux-headers-2.6.32-openvz-042stab112.15-amd64 package, |
| 07:54.40 | beergear | or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located |
| 07:54.51 | brian|lfs | wow thats old 2.6.32 |
| 07:55.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah. but i need to install openvz and get it working with zfs hdd in machine, |
| 07:55.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | i installed the header but its not finding them |
| 07:56.08 | beergear | you tried the --kernelsourcedir option? |
| 07:56.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | yes |
| 07:57.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just pastebined everything |
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| 07:59.52 | beergear | so you downloaded it from elsewhere and then used --kernelsourcedir? that just shows you trying to get it with aptitude |
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| 08:07.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | no i used aptitude to get it |
| 08:08.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/0i4D8hPx |
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| 08:08.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | here is the source in dir location |
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| 08:09.40 | beergear | so what does 'dkms --kernelsourcedir /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-openvz-042stab112.15-amd64/ autoinstall' do? |
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| 08:10.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | same shit |
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| 08:11.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/xhFvBBhD |
| 08:12.32 | beergear | hmm I dunno |
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| 09:09.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 10:21.09 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: that "openvz" and "stab" substrings your system is either an openvz container or an openvz host. which one is it? |
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| 10:24.55 | jelly | oh, and I see you're already asking in #zfsonlinux |
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| 10:58.15 | AliSh | is here anyone who worked with termux? |
| 10:59.01 | nkuttler | why are you asking? |
| 10:59.40 | AliSh | i wanna know is it secure? it is using debian like package manager but with theirs repo |
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| 11:09.43 | oo_miguel | I tried rsyncs --info=progress2 to sync 2 big folders (~200GB) but it seems to show no or little progress at all. The folders are almost identical. Is this expected behaviour? |
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| 11:24.19 | eightbitbubsy | hi, not sure if this is the right place to ask.. anyways, I have a debian server with PHP+apache, and I don't have the rights to create folders/files from PHP files. I'm the only user on the server, so it's not a security risk to enable it. Where/how do I do that? |
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| 11:27.00 | eightbitbubsy | ah seems that I have to find the user that runs PHP and do some chown stuff. Will try |
| 11:29.29 | eightbitbubsy | fixed :) |
| 11:29.48 | eightbitbubsy | I should learn to use google more often. Anyways cya. |
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| 11:57.17 | Agiofws | hello |
| 11:57.52 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:59.34 | AimHere | The menu is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg though that's generated by grub-mkconfig |
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| 12:00.17 | Agiofws | are there any problems with grub2 and old hardware? |
| 12:00.49 | Agiofws | i had to reboot 10 times to get my system up i suspects its something in the grub menu list |
| 12:01.37 | Agiofws | can you take a look http://paste.debian.net/328212 |
| 12:02.25 | RachaelLee | i still use lilo most of the time |
| 12:02.48 | Agiofws | can anyone help me sort out this problem i have with debian i have to sometimes reboot 10 times to get my system up BUT if i choose to boot into windows it boots on the first try .... |
| 12:03.25 | Agiofws | could it be grub2 could it be distro specific ? could it be my hard drive... ? |
| 12:03.38 | vn971 | Hi all. Is there a debian wiki page with a list of recommended hardware (notebooks to be exact)? I thought I saw such a page, but I can't find it now again. |
| 12:03.57 | Agiofws | its not that it errors... it shows about 5 lines of messages and then it just hangs with out any message |
| 12:04.09 | Agiofws | RachaelLee, you think i should try lilo? |
| 12:04.14 | vn971 | I'd want to choose/buy a notebook according to those guidelines. |
| 12:04.20 | Agiofws | is it compatible with debian 7? |
| 12:04.31 | RachaelLee | i would? i use lilo always |
| 12:04.52 | Agiofws | do you use it with latest debian? |
| 12:05.29 | Agiofws | do i just uninstall grub2 and install lilo through synaptic ? or do i have to manually edit the menu list ect... ? RachaelLee ? |
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| 12:05.56 | RachaelLee | no, just open terminal and apt-get install lilo |
| 12:06.07 | RachaelLee | then it will tell you some stuff |
| 12:06.14 | Agiofws | ok |
| 12:06.23 | Agiofws | will it work with windows 7 ? |
| 12:06.37 | RachaelLee | and then you have to use liloconf or something to make the config, then eyeball it, then run lilo.real and reboot |
| 12:06.51 | RachaelLee | i have no idea, i have never used windows7 |
| 12:06.56 | Agiofws | hmm |
| 12:06.59 | RachaelLee | or any windows really |
| 12:07.09 | RachaelLee | but, i dont see why it shouldnt? |
| 12:07.50 | Agiofws | maybe its a disk issue but why does window boot with it choking |
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| 12:11.08 | Agiofws | /boot/grub# /sbin/lilo |
| 12:11.08 | Agiofws | Added Linux + * |
| 12:11.08 | Agiofws | Added Linux_Old + |
| 12:11.15 | Agiofws | seemed not to add windows7 ? |
| 12:11.28 | Agiofws | and i had i think more kernels than 2 ... |
| 12:11.32 | Agiofws | anyway |
| 12:11.35 | Agiofws | reboot? |
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| 12:17.28 | Agiofws | RachaelLee, ok seems to work for the moment but i don;t have any windows entry in lilo |
| 12:17.57 | RachaelLee | you can edit the lilo.conf and add it? |
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| 12:18.03 | Agiofws | what version of debian |
| 12:18.52 | RachaelLee | what do you mean? |
| 12:20.32 | Agiofws | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:20.32 | Agiofws | 8.2 |
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| 12:21.34 | stenson | hei , how can i get the qq |
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| 12:56.29 | KkK1337 | http://umbrella-security.blogspot.com/2015/11/anonymous-proxy-list-sunday-8th-of.html |
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| 13:02.06 | linuxd | Is systemd enabled in jessie? |
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| 13:04.32 | FI_OpwK | linuxd, I believe so. |
| 13:04.48 | FI_OpwK | Jessie is stable. |
| 13:05.37 | FI_OpwK | !jessie |
| 13:05.37 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.2>. |
| 13:06.31 | linuxd | both systemd and sys-v are enabled? |
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| 13:07.50 | FI_OpwK | no |
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| 13:08.08 | FI_OpwK | !systemd |
| 13:08.09 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 13:08.15 | FI_OpwK | !sysv |
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| 13:09.40 | linuxd | FI_OpwK: ok.thanx a lot |
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| 13:27.36 | Lionyx | hello! |
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| 13:28.28 | Lionyx | I'm trying to connect to another machine with KRDC, via rdp. There's noone logged in (machine is in the GDM). Is it possible to access it this way? |
| 13:29.19 | ikonia | gdm does not respond to rdp |
| 13:29.22 | ikonia | rdp is the microsoft protocol |
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| 13:30.31 | themill | Lionyx: only if you have an rdp server running like Xrdp already |
| 13:31.05 | Lionyx | hummm... when i try through vnc it says no service is running, with rdp it connects and gives me a blank (blue) screen. |
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| 13:33.36 | Lionyx | Which one would you recommend me to install? I use ssh -X a lot in this machine, but sometimes I wanna get out of my place and keep things working, check it remotely and so on... |
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| 13:39.00 | jiggawattz | Hello - is there any way to implement push email on an IMAP server....... |
| 13:39.13 | jiggawattz | (in Debian) |
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| 14:47.35 | jcadduono | hey guys is there a better way to keep my home directory than to make inotify watch for file changes and chown/chgrp them to the proper owner of the home directory, i have a bad habit of using cp as root lol |
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| 15:12.37 | jayjay | hallo an alle. ich versuche grade sharelatex auf einem Debian8 zu installieren. Ich gehe nach dieser Anleitung vor: https://gist.github.com/moschlar/2b941f75a44fbac69993 leider bekomme ich folgenden Fehler bei dem ausführen von grunt build:deb.. kann mir einer ein Tip geben wie ich weiterkomme. Bin Anfänger beim Packete bauen. Fehler: |
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| 15:21.24 | sillysausage | anyone here blind? |
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| 15:21.57 | sillysausage | i was thinking of setting my blind friend (he uses windows with an assistive reader software) up with gnome (debian) |
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| 15:22.10 | sillysausage | as he wanted to use linux |
| 15:22.33 | sillysausage | myself i use a tiling window manager (i3wm) i would have thought non-overlapping windows would have been good for blind people |
| 15:22.45 | sillysausage | and a mostly-terminal experience would be useful to them because of screen reading tech |
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| 15:27.15 | somiaj | sillysausage: https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility -- I'd start here |
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| 15:29.06 | somiaj | sillysausage: found this, https://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/24/people-behin-debian-sam-hartman-kerberos-package-maintainer/, talks about a blind debian matainer and has a video to a debconf talk where he describes how his computer is set up. |
| 15:30.13 | sillysausage | interesting |
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| 15:33.12 | Skippy_42 | Hi guys, how do I start the package updater in debian, which I have to run as root, when I cannot log in as root |
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| 15:34.22 | somiaj | Skippy_42: there are various ways to escalte privlages for certain commands but they have to be configured (by root). Do you have sudo access? |
| 15:34.37 | Skippy_42 | yes |
| 15:34.46 | somiaj | so just run "sudo apt-get update" |
| 15:35.04 | Skippy_42 | it's my computer, fresh debian, currently in the "setting up a new system" phase |
| 15:35.16 | Skippy_42 | then the graphical package updater starts? |
| 15:35.28 | Skippy_42 | or is it then in terminal? |
| 15:35.47 | vn971 | Skippy_42: seems like a job for root, so you shouldn't be able to. Note that you can use `cron-apt` for your updates to happen automatically (automatic fetching of repositories and downloading deb files). |
| 15:35.50 | mtn | Skippy_42, synaptic is the gui package manager |
| 15:36.41 | Skippy_42 | hmm.. ok, I will try that in a few mins |
| 15:36.55 | vn971 | * disregard that, somiaj seem to have explained it better. |
| 15:36.57 | somiaj | desktops do contain a tool that lets you know updates are available and then might allow you to esclate privlates to run the update as a non-root user. I am not familar with these tools. |
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| 15:38.17 | Skippy_42 | I just got a graphical prompt (name of the window "Package Updater") with a bunch of stuff to update, I pressed "install all packages" and it says "naaa, no privileges", so I try to login as root but I googled that this does not work by design |
| 15:38.32 | Skippy_42 | so that's why I am trying to open that same window again as root |
| 15:39.12 | somiaj | Skippy_42: yea I'm unfamilar with this gui updater you are seeing and don't know what is the best way to get it to work (I was giving you the methods for doing the upgrade form the command line) |
| 15:42.32 | Skippy_42 | if it doesn't work else I will do it by the command line yes. I am just asking myself how to start it as root since it needs root privileges, or if that's not possible, why it is even there |
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| 15:45.02 | Skippy_42 | however, I try it now, cya later |
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| 16:21.16 | WangDang_ | Hi, I'm installing debian on a sheevaplug. I want it to use my apt-cacher package cache instead of going directly to a mirror on the 'Net. But, when I pause the install to invoke a shell, I see no apt directory in /etc. Where does the installer store the mirror to download from? |
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| 16:29.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys i am trying to get dkms to compile a zfs module, |
| 16:30.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | not sure what i am doing wrong can you help see pastebins http://pastebin.com/pQzix9jH http://pastebin.com/nQY23Acp |
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| 16:41.55 | alhambra | what is difference between "sudo -i" and "sudo -s"? With both commands you become root. |
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| 16:45.57 | socomm | alhambra: man sudo |
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| 16:46.53 | grumpycatt | regarding the sourcing of session files, isn't it ? |
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| 16:47.53 | socomm | grumpycatt: Correct. |
| 16:48.32 | socomm | I remember back in the days people would say 'don't spoonfeed the noobs'. Times have changed. |
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| 17:06.27 | et0x | any idea why my keyboard layout is still set to uk even though /etc/default/keyboard is set to us and i ran dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-layout |
| 17:06.39 | et0x | maybe there is a file im not checking ? |
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| 17:36.50 | decci | Hello Guys |
| 17:37.14 | decci | Anyone with experience on Debian packaging . I want to see some examples with rules creation |
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| 17:38.41 | decci | I am trying to build .deb package through the general dh_make, debian/rules clean && build && binary |
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| 17:39.13 | decci | I want to add rules which simply copies or deletes or creates a new link and files but I am not sure how to put it under rules |
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| 17:40.39 | decci | heard about cdbs but not sure if that gonna help |
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| 17:54.33 | yves | Hi, I'm having troubles with APT and I don't understand how to solve it |
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| 17:54.46 | yves | Could someone provide support ? |
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| 17:55.21 | somiaj | !bat |
| 17:55.21 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 17:55.43 | yves | Thanks |
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| 17:59.47 | hafi | Anyone doing passthrough of GPUs to kvm/libvirt/qemu VMs on jessie |
| 17:59.54 | hafi | ? |
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| 18:02.19 | decci | jim: http://pastebin.com/a02BFvcY |
| 18:03.33 | yves | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/328557/ |
| 18:04.57 | yves | This kind of problem always drive me crazy |
| 18:05.03 | yves | I never understand what's wrong |
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| 18:05.27 | decci | http://pastebin.com/t75y1nyK |
| 18:05.43 | yves | I have some unsolved dependencies. I try to remove the packages but it doesn't work |
| 18:06.00 | somiaj | yves: you may have just found a bug in stretch (not uncommon). I can't read the errors but it looks like there is a bug in the post install script of the glx-alternative-nvidia package. |
| 18:06.17 | yves | Ok, thanks |
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| 18:06.29 | yves | What's the most intelligent thing to do ? |
| 18:06.34 | somiaj | yves: if these typoes of problems drive you crazy, you maybe shouldn't be runnig testing. They happen from time to time. |
| 18:07.07 | yves | All I want is to remove the broken packages, you know |
| 18:07.08 | somiaj | yves: I would first look for bugreports and see if anyone else has experience this problem and found a solution. Second I wold start to debug it myself and see if I can find what the postinstall script is doing that is causing this error. |
| 18:07.37 | jesperj | Is it possible for a non root user to do the equivalent of "apt-get update" somehow? (Doesn't seem so when I try it). However a non root user can run "apt-get -s upgrade" without problems... I just want a non root user to get information about if there are system updates/upgrades available. I don't want to do it with sudo. |
| 18:07.54 | frzr | jesperj: sudo |
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| 18:08.07 | yves | Well it sounds absolutely impossible to me to "debug" graphic drivers problems |
| 18:08.27 | yves | There's no way to remove the packages ? |
| 18:08.33 | frzr | jesperj: you don't want to do it with sudo because? |
| 18:08.35 | yves | If they don't work, I can remove them |
| 18:08.40 | somiaj | jesperj: non-root users cannot mess with the package databaes, the -s works because it doesn't actually do anything to the system. |
| 18:08.53 | markybob | yves dpkg --purge --force-all foo might do it |
| 18:08.55 | somiaj | yves: sure uuuse dpkg directly |
| 18:09.07 | yves | Ok thanks |
| 18:09.11 | yves | I'll try it |
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| 18:09.39 | jesperj | frzr: I'm going to make an update notifier and I don't want the user to have to enter a password, I want it run in the background. |
| 18:09.43 | somiaj | jesperj: now there are some apps (like gnome-update-manager I think is the anme) that allow non-root users to 'say yes' to doing a very special thing. But in general you need root permisions to do any thing with packages on the system (else this would be a big security hole). |
| 18:09.52 | somiaj | jesperj: I personally use sudo for this. |
| 18:10.03 | frzr | jesperj: one dangerous thing you can do it set NOPASSWD to sudo |
| 18:10.08 | frzr | is to* |
| 18:10.24 | jesperj | somiaj: I was thinking maybe checking the apt repos and downloading them to their home dir |
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| 18:11.36 | somiaj | jesperj: I'm unsure if apt can do this. You might be able to download the current .deb in the apt database on the system but you can't update this. |
| 18:11.49 | somiaj | jesperj: you can just download the packages from packages.debian.org or get the link and use wget. |
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| 18:11.56 | frzr | easiest solution is to set NOPASSWD to the sudo user |
| 18:11.58 | frzr | for sure |
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| 18:12.28 | somiaj | jesperj: but what is your goal, are you trying to download the .deb so you can install it or just get access tothe binary? |
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| 18:13.29 | jesperj | I'm thinking about things like if I would make a deb package for this update notifier script I'm making, it would be good if it didn't make very intruding changes in the system just for an update notifier. |
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| 18:14.52 | jesperj | somiaj: update notifier. it already does a simulated apt-get upgrade as a user and the rest from that point, now i just need an "apt-get update" equivalent. |
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| 18:16.07 | jesperj | if I wasn't thinking of maybe making a package for it, I would just add a cron to "apt-get update" every X hours |
| 18:16.39 | markybob | you don't. you make a cronjob to run it as room every X hours |
| 18:16.43 | markybob | root* |
| 18:16.53 | somiaj | jesperj: again a user cannot update the apt cache, so a user cannot run apt-get update and have their own 'personal cache' |
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| 18:17.03 | jesperj | nods |
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| 18:17.31 | somiaj | jesperj: If you want to ensure that you database is updated regurally without root, use a cron job and this way for source packages or simulations the user is using a fairly recent database. |
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| 18:18.44 | somiaj | you can also look at what the package gnome-update-notifier or whatever it is called now does. It uses a cron job to run the update every so often. It uses a python script I belive to see what packages (if any) need to be upgraded, it then uses some form of privalge escalation to allow a user to actually run the upgrade. |
| 18:20.06 | frzr | doesnt it just use gksudo ? |
| 18:20.31 | frzr | you still need to get permission to perform the update? |
| 18:20.50 | jesperj | ok thanks guys. dinner time. bbl |
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| 18:22.23 | somiaj | frzr: it uses a crong job for the updates. For the actual upgrade I'm unsure if it uses sudo, su, some setuid/gid bit, or policykit |
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| 18:23.01 | frzr | ok |
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| 18:32.47 | yves | It seems I have a problem with glx-diversions |
| 18:32.55 | yves | I can't remove it |
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| 18:33.05 | yves | even dpkg --purge --force-all doesn't work |
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| 18:33.58 | yves | This is because of a dpkg-divert problem |
| 18:34.05 | yves | Some diversions aren't OK |
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| 18:37.30 | yves | It seems there is a problem when I want to remove glx-diversions. It tries to divert a file into a file with a different name, which is not allowed |
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| 18:37.49 | yves | Maybe I could take a look into that and try to figure out what is going on |
| 18:38.11 | yves | Where may I edit the script doing this ? |
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| 18:38.25 | somiaj | yves: again in testing this isn't uncommon. Sometimes you have to manually intervien and fix problems |
| 18:38.42 | somiaj | the postinst/remove scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/ (somewhere in that directory) |
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| 18:38.59 | somiaj | in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 18:39.22 | markybob | and testing problems are supposed to be asked in irc.oftc.net #debian-next |
| 18:40.24 | somiaj | markybob: On freenode I usually don't get that detailed since they have to switch networks. But that is good advise to maybe get better help. |
| 18:41.51 | somiaj | though my standard advise for people is don't run testing if you can't deal with issues like this. (: |
| 18:42.00 | somiaj | (well until it is frozen, changes once testing freezes) |
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| 18:43.25 | teraflops | somiaj: right |
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| 19:19.55 | AliSh | ive finished reinstalling debian just now. now i wanna add repos. can i rely on test repos? |
| 19:20.14 | paperd | you mean Stretch? |
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| 19:20.26 | AliSh | Guys I should present my university project next week :D I think so |
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| 19:20.46 | somiaj | AliSh: I woudln't use testing unless you know debian well and can fix any bugs you run across in testing. |
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| 19:22.05 | AliSh | somiaj: then I'll check it later :) |
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| 19:22.24 | beepie | !repo |
| 19:22.24 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 19:24.15 | AliSh | thank you guys |
| 19:24.22 | AliSh | exit |
| 19:24.24 | AliSh | LoL |
| 19:24.40 | AliSh | :D |
| 19:24.46 | AliSh | I'm using terminal often :D :D :D |
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| 19:38.20 | paperd | hi |
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| 19:40.11 | beepie | hi |
| 19:40.23 | beepie | !rock |
| 19:40.24 | dpkg | rock is, like, dead! |
| 19:40.27 | beepie | !paper |
| 19:40.27 | dpkg | rock, you win.|<reply>scissors, I win!|<reply>paper, play again.|<reply> Lighter. I win.|<reply> Rifle. I win. <reply>get your own TP, lazybones! |
| 19:40.32 | beepie | !scissors |
| 19:40.33 | dpkg | scissors, play again. | <reply> rock, I win. | <reply> paper, you win. |
| 19:40.43 | beepie | blehmouhahhhhhh!!! |
| 19:40.53 | beepie | paperd, that's rock ! |
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| 19:42.18 | MrDetonia | Hey all, having real trouble with a graphics issue that causes KMS to give me a black screen during boot. Nomodeset fixes that, but then I don't seem to have HW rendering. Anybody know possible fixes for getting either working? |
| 19:42.37 | MrDetonia | Integrated Intel graphics chip |
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| 19:44.16 | somiaj | MrDetonia: what actual intel card and what kernel? |
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| 19:45.50 | MrDetonia | somiaj: Kernel is 3.16.0-4-amd64 (from debian repos), and it does it with a self-compiled 3.16.7 too. |
| 19:46.21 | MrDetonia | lspci tells me Intel Corp. Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics and Display |
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| 19:47.26 | MrDetonia | It's only started messing up KMS these past few days, but I can't remember anything that was upgraded that may have caused it |
| 19:47.29 | somiaj | Could it be the kms driver in the 3.16 kernel is not new enough to correctly deal with that cpu/gpu combo (I'm unsure on which version are supported) |
| 19:47.48 | somiaj | If it is something that recentally started, check the apt logs to see what was upgraded. |
| 19:48.01 | somiaj | you can also get a newer kernel and intel driver from jessie-backports |
| 19:48.12 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:48.13 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917-2; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2; experimental: 2:2.99.917+git20151019-1~exp1 |
| 19:48.49 | somiaj | it could be the newer intel driver from backports with a newer kernel (or even the current kernel, since it does get upgraded over time) will work better than the version you have with that paticular acrd |
| 19:48.55 | somiaj | this is only a guess as I'm not familar with that card |
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| 19:50.26 | MrDetonia | somiaj: cheers. I was running a 4.2 kernel but that has problems shutting down this hardware. Will try a version of the intel drivers from backports though |
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| 19:51.15 | MrDetonia | only thing video related upgraded in the last few days was libvdpau1. Not sure how that could affect graphics on boot though as it seems to be a video decoder |
| 19:51.24 | somiaj | MrDetonia: yea I've heard of a few more problems with the 4.2 kernel than I would have expected. But again unsure on your specific hardware. |
| 19:51.35 | somiaj | MrDetonia: are you sure there was no kernel changes? |
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| 19:52.13 | MrDetonia | somiaj: Ah, I installed virtualbox, that adds some kernel module doesn;t it? |
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| 19:52.55 | wacek | how much you need to have the disk space to compile the Linux kernel |
| 19:53.24 | beepie | wacek, i suppose at least couple hundred meg |
| 19:53.38 | somiaj | MrDetonia: it does, but I doubt it is the issue, but I could be wrong. |
| 19:53.57 | somiaj | yea I would say 300 or so megs is just the size of the source (though it may be bigger now) |
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| 19:55.05 | MrDetonia | somiaj: Does sound like a long shot, but It's the only thing kernel related thing that's changed unless I'm missing something |
| 19:55.43 | somiaj | MrDetonia: well the kernel did have a security update recentally. That was what I was expecting. |
| 19:56.49 | wacek | after compilation unless there is more |
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| 19:57.33 | MrDetonia | wacek: My kernel directory contains source files, build files, and the resulting image; and that's about 7GB |
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| 19:57.54 | somiaj | wacek: the kernel itself is only about 20-30 megs, but some other packages may be created like the headers. I would say 500megs (1/2 gig) to be safe, but can probabaly do with less |
| 19:58.15 | somiaj | MrDetonia: for one kernel? That seems large for a single kernel. |
| 19:58.58 | MrDetonia | somiaj: Yep. No idea how it's that big either |
| 19:59.19 | somiaj | MrDetonia: do you have links to other parts of your drive that it is following? |
| 19:59.34 | somiaj | well I guess symbolic links wouldn't be an issue, hard links might |
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| 20:00.25 | wacek | how come you have linux kernel 7gb as in the bin directory of the kernel will fit in 500 mg? |
| 20:00.31 | MrDetonia | somiaj: It's all from debian's kernel-source package, and reccomended way of building using fakeroot; so that might add a bunch of stuff |
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| 20:01.03 | MrDetonia | wacek: the kernel image itself is about 25MB. It's just the source+build directory with a bunch of crap in it |
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| 20:01.57 | muawija__ | hi! does anyone have an experience with running a transparent NTP proxy on Debian? |
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| 20:02.51 | somiaj | MrDetonia: I haven't compiled the source in quite a while, it could be the source is getting closer to a gig than I thought. |
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| 20:04.41 | wacek | that is, the build directory grows so because I used to compile the kernel virtual machine and lacked me of disk space. |
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| 20:05.52 | wacek | how long it takes to compile the linux kernel? |
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| 20:06.12 | beepie | wacek, find out, it all depends on how fast your machine is. |
| 20:06.18 | MrDetonia | wacek: That depends on how much you have included and your machine's specs |
| 20:06.24 | beepie | wacek, could be 30 minutes, could be hours |
| 20:07.00 | wacek | pheon x4 955 |
| 20:07.01 | somiaj | I'd say more in the 30 minute ball park on 'modern' hardware. |
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| 20:08.58 | MrDetonia | somiaj: No luck with the backported intel drivers I'm afraid :/ |
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| 20:09.22 | wacek | or for kernel version 4.3 on Debian 8 will not adversely affect the stability of Debian? |
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| 20:11.19 | MrDetonia | Also is anyone else suffering from a cyclic dependency trying to install openjdk-7-jre ? |
| 20:11.29 | MrDetonia | in fact any version of openjdk |
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| 23:18.47 | cassinator | Anybody know of a good netbook that will run Debian/Kali Linux? |
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| 23:20.24 | quantic | cassinator: I have a new Dell XPS 15 that I use for just that purpose. Might be overkill. It's more an ultrabook than a netbook. |
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| 23:25.20 | cassinator09 | Yeah I'm looking for something small compact and just for internet surfing and taking notes and presenting power points (cons). |
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| 23:26.15 | sdfgdgd | I have an eee 901 with kali in a usb stick |
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| 23:32.11 | NiLon | taking notes with kali ;) |
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| 23:39.17 | unborn | cassinator09, acer revo 36xx or higher.. great machine for basic usage or small vpn, samba or nas server |
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| 23:44.47 | cassinator09 | Cool! Thanks guys:) and I may or may not be doing pen testing with it as well;) |
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| 23:46.09 | ilCy32 | Hello all, I'm having a bit of trouble with my year-old Debian testing install on my laptop. Recently, whenever the network connection changes (especially wireless), the whole system (except the mouse) will hang for a few complete minutes. I can usually switch to other ttys, and nothing seems abnormal in syslog or top. Any other suggestions where to look? |
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| 23:48.19 | Lionyx | hello! I isntalled the package powerline. I intend to try it on tmux, but I cant manage to get it work. |
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| 23:50.35 | markybob | Lionyx, with the near zero info you gave i can only suggest this https://powerline.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ |
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| 23:51.41 | unborn | cassinator09, you can use it for whatever you want.. i did back in the time backtrack then full multidomain hosting on it.. it was working perfectly |
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| 23:55.25 | Lionyx | markybob: http://pastebin.com/gaAXZMZF . A little more info about what i'm trying to do. |
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| 23:57.39 | ilCy32 | Any ideas? |
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