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| 00:01.42 | jmcnaught | idts: i dunno.. maybe you got part of the driver installed but part of it failed. like i said i don't know very much about the proprietary drivers and usually actively recommend against using them. from what i understand for the nvidia driver to work properly the nouveau driver must be blacklisted by a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 00:01.55 | SuperTramp83 | how come there is no zsnes in the repo (jessie stable)? |
| 00:02.22 | jmcnaught | haha oops.. ssh escape fail |
| 00:03.01 | markybob | SuperTramp83, there is. i386. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/zsnes |
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| 00:03.54 | SuperTramp83 | markybob: I doublechecked. it's not there |
| 00:04.24 | markybob | SuperTramp83, i just downloaded it. it's there. http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/z/zsnes/zsnes_1.510+bz2-8_i386.deb |
| 00:04.50 | somiaj | SuperTramp83: note it is only i386. zsnes uses some asembly code that only works on x86 arch and won't be fond in amd64 (you'll to use multiarch to install it) |
| 00:05.10 | SuperTramp83 | somiaj: ahaa.. |
| 00:05.20 | SuperTramp83 | tx for the info |
| 00:05.33 | markybob | could've sworn that's why i specified i386 :P |
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| 00:05.41 | SuperTramp83 | he he :) |
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| 00:06.02 | Ivoah | How would I use apt-get inside a chroot? |
| 00:06.11 | Ivoah | I keep getting errors about /dev/null and things |
| 00:06.12 | somiaj | markybob: maybe you should have ssaid zsnes:i386 (: |
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| 00:06.46 | somiaj | Ivoah: mount --bind /dev and other filesystems you may need into the chroot |
| 00:07.09 | Ivoah | What else would I need in the chroot? |
| 00:07.32 | markybob | Ivoah, the wiki tells you. https://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
| 00:07.43 | Ivoah | thanks markybob |
| 00:07.43 | somiaj | depends on what you want to do with it. /dev, /proc, /sys are common things to mount --bind into a chroot |
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| 00:09.09 | Ivoah | somiaj: I made an armel rootfs with debootstrap and I'm installing applications onto it |
| 00:09.37 | Ivoah | I'm using qemu-user-arm and binfmt-support |
| 00:09.50 | Ivoah | er, qemu-arm-static |
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| 00:10.33 | Ivoah | somiaj: ^ |
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| 00:21.59 | Lionyx | Any good book on how to program on C Linux oriented? |
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| 00:22.31 | somiaj | ##c or #c (forget the channel name) may have some good advise |
| 00:23.12 | dvs | gags at Ritchie |
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| 00:25.08 | dvs | blows up aterismo_m |
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| 00:27.29 | wacek | the Phoronix test studies came out that compiling the linux 513 seconds and in fact I compiles more than an hour |
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| 00:28.23 | markybob | wacek, is there a question in there? |
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| 00:29.24 | dvs | yeah! double ban him! |
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| 00:30.29 | wacek | what are the advantages of arch linux compared to Debian? |
| 00:30.50 | Len | lol |
| 00:30.59 | Len | no one taking the bait |
| 00:31.05 | dvs | wacek: you expect an honest answer to that here? |
| 00:31.06 | markybob | wacek, ask #archlinux |
| 00:31.27 | themill | dpkg: tell wacek about why debian |
| 00:31.32 | Len | or wait, I can answer... archwiki is fine |
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| 00:32.50 | Toze_das_Coves | Puppy linux all the way brah |
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| 00:33.13 | markybob | nah. progeny linux all the way |
| 00:33.34 | wacek | debian why this might be better than arch linux? |
| 00:33.56 | markybob | wacek, themill had dpkg msg you why debian |
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| 00:34.48 | somiaj | wacek: do you have an actual debian question? Or maybe a specific question? At some level it is use choice what they like better, or need. There is no definitive answer of the advatnages of one distro over the other and users here mostly choose debian so we are bias. |
| 00:34.55 | Toze_das_Coves | btw guys I have a question. I have an almost fresh debian 8 gnome install that is giving me a few sound problems |
| 00:35.16 | Toze_das_Coves | My volume keeps going to ~40% ramdonly |
| 00:35.26 | Toze_das_Coves | *randomly |
| 00:35.45 | wacek | debian dpkg but is also apt-get |
| 00:35.52 | Toze_das_Coves | Is there a fix or something? I've tried google but nothing shows up |
| 00:35.55 | somiaj | Things don't happen randomly, some software is changing the volume. |
| 00:36.25 | Toze_das_Coves | That's what I thought. I've checked pavucontrol |
| 00:36.27 | Toze_das_Coves | almiser |
| 00:36.30 | Toze_das_Coves | *alsamixer |
| 00:36.50 | somiaj | wacek: dpkg is the actual package manager. Apt is a front end that deals with geting packages from the internet, resolving dependencies and installing them in groups |
| 00:37.33 | somiaj | Toze_das_Coves: some software when 'adjusting the volume' changes the system volume. Maybe some software you use keeps setting the volume to 40% due to how you use it |
| 00:38.38 | Lionyx | tks for everything. bye |
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| 00:39.01 | Toze_das_Coves | The only software I have open when that happens is rythmbox playonlinux chrome |
| 00:39.20 | Toze_das_Coves | I thought it was rythmbox, closed it but keeps happening |
| 00:39.34 | Toze_das_Coves | could it be something to do with PoL? Wine? |
| 00:39.35 | wacek | I do not like how the system after the update may cause problems, we expect the system stability and course security. |
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| 00:40.19 | markybob | wacek, what are you talking about? debian stable releases are as stable as they come. that's why so many complain that it's "old" |
| 00:40.42 | somiaj | Toze_das_Coves: any application has the ability to change this. So any that uses sound could be doing this. And wine could be a culprit since windows programs deal with things differently. |
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| 00:41.28 | Toze_das_Coves | somiaj, thanks. I'll try to keep an eye out for what does this. Are there any logs I could check? |
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| 00:41.52 | somiaj | Toze_das_Coves: I don't think applications record when they change the volume. |
| 00:42.03 | somiaj | Toze_das_Coves: you'll just have to catch it happening I think |
| 00:42.17 | wacek | or stability and safety or new package is no compromise |
| 00:42.21 | Toze_das_Coves | wacek, I use debian stable and the downside is that everythings "old" like markybob said. But is it stable? Hell yeah |
| 00:42.35 | markybob | wacek, again, what are you talking about? |
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| 00:43.42 | markybob | wacek, did you read the "why debian" factoid that you were sent? |
| 00:44.06 | somiaj | wacek: do you have an actual debian question? I have yet to see anything except random comments (That don't make much sense at times). |
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| 00:47.51 | Toze_das_Coves | lol |
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| 01:14.51 | Doxin | so I'm trying to install kicad from source. it complains about "OpenGL was not found". the INSTALL file tells me I need libmesa, but mesa depends on the nouveau drivers while I am using the nvidia drivers. what am I supposed to do here? |
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| 01:15.51 | somiaj | Doxin: you are probabaly missing the -dev libaries (you can get those for the nvidia glx driver) |
| 01:16.46 | Doxin | somiaj: what's the package for that? I can't seem to find it |
| 01:17.22 | somiaj | Doxin: hmm, guess not, I thougght there use to be -dev libary for the nvidia drivers. I am unsure what it is needing. |
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| 01:19.52 | somiaj | there use to be a nvidia-glx-dev package, but I don't see the equivlant in jessie |
| 01:20.37 | somiaj | try libgl1-mesa-dev (does this try to remove the nvidia packages if you install it) |
| 01:21.35 | Doxin | somiaj: that tries to install libdrm-nouveau2. also do mind that my nvidia driver isn't from a package but from sgfxi. |
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| 01:23.10 | Doxin | somiaj: so now what? |
| 01:24.29 | somiaj | Doxin: so you didn't install the nvidia driver from the debian repo? |
| 01:24.52 | Doxin | no, the debian drivers are too old for my card. |
| 01:25.04 | somiaj | what card? |
| 01:25.07 | somiaj | 900 series? |
| 01:25.10 | Doxin | yep |
| 01:25.59 | somiaj | well to get that sorce to compile you need to have the opengl headers.It seems (though I haven't tested this) that you need the libgl1-mesa-dev package. |
| 01:26.06 | somiaj | I'll test my system to see |
| 01:26.36 | Doxin | I suspect you're right, but that still leaves the dependency problem |
| 01:27.37 | somiaj | yea the libgl1-mesa-dev lives nicely with the packages provided by debian. Since you have to install things outside of dpkg this may be more work. |
| 01:28.00 | somiaj | Doxin: one suggestion is just build the software in a chroot where you can install all the packages to build it correctly. |
| 01:28.15 | Doxin | that'd work I suppose |
| 01:28.58 | somiaj | I think it would be the easiest way to install all the build requirements without messing with your main system. |
| 01:29.06 | Doxin | yepyep |
| 01:29.12 | Doxin | trying that now |
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| 01:48.42 | bill_lx | can anyone tell me absolute minimum hd size for jessie install |
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| 01:49.27 | markybob | bill_lx, without a desktop you're looking at 2G |
| 01:49.42 | markybob | bill_lx, https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 01:50.44 | bill_lx | ta - wanted to know because have killed one install and using second install as rescue |
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| 01:53.07 | bill_lx | markybob - thankyou have bookmarked that page so again ta muchly |
| 01:53.20 | markybob | bill_lx, you're welcome |
| 01:53.27 | bill_lx | bye |
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| 02:26.23 | QuaakHaak | Hi, I've moved a hdd containing Debian Wheezy into a fast box, but the fast box has a different network card. Do I have to load additional modules to reconfigure eth0? |
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| 02:29.45 | QuaakHaak | k |
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| 03:30.35 | jinppk | Anyone know of a way to install freeipa client on jessie? |
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| 03:33.25 | vektorweg1 | hello. i'm writing on a game engine and run in a dilemma. my problem is, that I could simplify a lot of code when the game is connecting to a game server (defined by dev) directly on start. but this comes with a lack of control as the user is always and possibly unwillingly connected. while this is no problem in a singleplayer (disable network feature) or pure multiplayer (needed anyway), its a problem in the mo |
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| 03:34.08 | Doxin | vektorweg1: sounds like a bad idea with respect to server load in any case |
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| 03:38.28 | vektorweg1 | Doxin: thats actually the least of problems. its quite ressource saving. network data is low and server doesn't need to calculate anything. its at best only a announcer and a proxy. |
| 03:38.54 | Doxin | how does it save resources though |
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| 03:45.25 | vektorweg1 | Doxin: as in the design schema for the game engine, only thing that gets transmitted is input data (mouse&keyboard), which is only a few bytes per second. the server also doesn't compute anything. every client is calculating in parallel. thanks to referential transparency ("pure" in a programming language sense), its guaranteed, that the computation every client does comes to the same result. that means, nothing |
| 03:46.16 | Doxin | well yes but how does connecting immediately save any resources? |
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| 03:47.15 | vektorweg1 | Doxin: oh i mean it isn't taking as much as other network/game-concepts. |
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| 03:51.21 | vektorweg1 | speaking of miracle and a game is really collecting up to 10k users connected simultaneously, its even for a lowend server easily possible to handle them all. |
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| 03:53.45 | vektorweg1 | Doxin: but i'm here for the ethical question. any feeling about this? |
| 03:54.04 | Doxin | it's probably not a problem |
| 03:54.12 | quantic | is this Debian related somehow? |
| 03:54.13 | Doxin | as long as you're not doing anything nefarious |
| 03:54.17 | Doxin | quantic: not afaik |
| 03:54.38 | quantic | Doxin: #debian-offtopic would be better for this, then. |
| 03:54.56 | Doxin | quantic: I was just answering vektorweg1s questions. I didn't think I was bothering anyone |
| 03:55.10 | vektorweg1 | well, people argued about iceweasel (i guess), because its getting favicons for amazon and co. on start. |
| 03:55.29 | quantic | this channel is intended for support for Debian. |
| 03:55.43 | quantic | not trying to be a jerk. :/ |
| 03:56.14 | vektorweg1 | quantic: there is no note that this channel is about support. |
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| 03:58.51 | vektorweg1 | quantic: also who's saying that its not about debian? if all went well, its also going to be a debian package, which must comply the debian policy. and i rather would know about possible issues now than later. |
| 03:58.56 | quantic | vektorweg1: The conversation is off-topic for the channel. I'm just letting you know. :/ |
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| 04:02.33 | vektorweg1 | Doxin: how do i know its not nefarious? |
| 04:03.12 | Doxin | vektorweg1: you've been told multiple times to move the conversation to a different channel. |
| 04:04.38 | vektorweg1 | Doxin: okay. point me to the rule set for this channel. |
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| 04:05.28 | Doxin | vektorweg1: /or/ you can attempt to not be a cunt and respect the people in the damn channel. |
| 04:06.04 | vektorweg1 | Doxin: two people is not representative for all people. |
| 04:06.39 | Doxin | this isn't a democracy. I'm done talking. |
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| 04:11.05 | vektorweg1 | Doxin: i recommend you, to put a note in the channel title to state clear for what this channel is. you can't expect that people know that. i'm nontheless really upset about this. |
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| 04:12.24 | Thorn_ | how dramatic |
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| 04:13.50 | quantic | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 04:19.18 | chillfan | how can i search for packages based on their depends? |
| 04:20.00 | chillfan | like apt-cache search somedependencypackage |
| 04:20.11 | chillfan | and show everything that contains that? |
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| 04:25.23 | quantic | chillfan: so you're trying to see every package that depends on a specified package? |
| 04:25.36 | chillfan | yeah, that's the one |
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| 04:26.17 | quantic | chillfan: the text UI of aptitude will do that. |
| 04:26.35 | peterrooney | apt-cache rdepends |
| 04:26.52 | chillfan | aha, i don't use that, anyway think i found it.. apt-cache showpkg pkgname gives 'reverse' depends, that should be right? |
| 04:27.29 | quantic | chillfan: peterrooney's answer is better if you want a single command. |
| 04:27.50 | chillfan | aha that works too, thanks :) |
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| 04:29.12 | wadadli | I have identical monitors yet my xrandr output differ anyone had this issue? |
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| 04:30.01 | chillfan | differ how? |
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| 04:31.00 | chillfan | wadadli: if you put the output on paste.debian.net, we'll be able to see what you mean |
| 04:31.05 | wadadli | http://paste.debian.net/329432/ |
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| 04:31.49 | chillfan | one is connected by hdmi, the other is dvi? |
| 04:31.58 | wadadli | yezzur |
| 04:32.26 | chillfan | try switching the monitors and see if the output is the same |
| 04:32.39 | chillfan | your monitor may support certain modes only in dvi |
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| 04:32.45 | chillfan | and others only in hdmi |
| 04:32.55 | wadadli | chillfan: no problem is in nouveau |
| 04:32.59 | wadadli | chillfan: my hardware is fine |
| 04:33.22 | chillfan | so using the non-free driver changes that? |
| 04:33.27 | wadadli | yes for sure |
| 04:33.40 | chillfan | hm, maybe report it as a bug |
| 04:33.48 | wadadli | it's known |
| 04:33.52 | chillfan | to the nouveau team, or upstream if it's fixed there |
| 04:33.58 | wadadli | there are kernel patches to fix problem |
| 04:34.13 | wadadli | nouveau limits hdmi for some reason |
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| 04:34.22 | chillfan | are the patches accepted in vanilla? |
| 04:34.38 | wadadli | i dont understand your lingo |
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| 04:34.59 | chillfan | I mean, is there a patched kernel? |
| 04:35.03 | chillfan | like from kernel.org |
| 04:35.12 | wadadli | oh no clue |
| 04:35.14 | chillfan | and if so which version |
| 04:35.21 | chillfan | ah, that's something to check into then |
| 04:35.22 | wadadli | I don't think so |
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| 04:35.52 | chillfan | if it's already in the kernel then that's the best answer |
| 04:35.58 | chillfan | to upgrade it |
| 04:36.54 | wadadli | chillfan: are the steps for installing nvidia drivers the same on stretch as outlined in the nvidia docs for jessie? |
| 04:37.27 | chillfan | no idea on that one, probably close, personally i use the ones from nvidia |
| 04:37.31 | quantic | you could also install a backported kernel. |
| 04:37.46 | chillfan | ^ that's your best answer if it's fixed there |
| 04:38.18 | wadadli | no idea what a backported kernel is |
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| 04:38.30 | chillfan | you can use module-assistant to install it i think.. module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel? something like that |
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| 04:39.31 | chillfan | wadadli: a backport is a package for your current system based on a version for a newer system |
| 04:39.57 | wadadli | chillfan: oh cool |
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| 04:40.09 | chillfan | see backports.debian.org |
| 04:40.50 | wadadli | apparently I amusing the kernel 4.2.5 |
| 04:41.24 | wadadli | I just installed testing |
| 04:41.31 | wadadli | `stretch` |
| 04:41.50 | cjen2837 | hi i'm trying to run a file but when i try to it says No such file or directory even though it's there. i read online that this might be because i'm missing i386 architecture. to add that i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 according to the debian wiki. but the file still won't run |
| 04:42.09 | chillfan | go ahead and try the wiki page instructions |
| 04:42.17 | chillfan | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 04:42.23 | chillfan | will be more or less the same |
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| 04:43.03 | chillfan | substitude linux-headers-3.* for linux-headers-amd64 |
| 04:43.13 | quantic | wadadli: stretch isn't really supported here. you'll want to hop on OFTC network and join #debian-next. |
| 04:43.17 | klys | cjen2837, apt-get install libc6:i386 |
| 04:43.24 | quantic | wadadli: though, honestly, you probably should start over with stable. |
| 04:43.44 | chillfan | something wrong in testing? |
| 04:44.09 | quantic | chillfan: yeah. it's testing. :P |
| 04:44.16 | cjen2837 | klys, thanks :) is this something lightweight that will be easy to remove when i'm finished? i don't want to keep i386 stuff around foreevr |
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| 04:44.25 | chillfan | well there's that i suppose lol |
| 04:44.45 | wadadli | chillfan: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~darktama/nouveau/commit/?id=f787ef9b44102ed01d4255a653d0261bb6365ba3 && http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~darktama/nouveau/commit/?id=8d5fe3328855063bb41acb00b1049138acce8e2e |
| 04:44.57 | klys | cjen2837, it's indispensible is the main thing about libc6. |
| 04:45.00 | wadadli | chillfan: here are the kernel patches to fix the issue in nouveau |
| 04:45.22 | wadadli | chillfan: how do I patch my kernel? |
| 04:45.30 | cjen2837 | klys, what do you mean? |
| 04:45.50 | klys | cjen2837, all other packages seem to depend on it. |
| 04:45.51 | chillfan | wadadli: with much effort tbh, a whole wiki could be filled with the subject |
| 04:45.53 | quantic | wadadli: again, you're using testing. |
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| 04:46.01 | quantic | wadadli: this is not the proper forum for testing issues. |
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| 04:46.06 | quantic | !testing |
| 04:46.07 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a very bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 04:46.29 | cjen2837 | klys, so i can just install it to run this one i386 thing i have and when i'm some apt-get purge it without leaving any changes to my system behind? |
| 04:46.39 | cjen2837 | i'm done* |
| 04:46.45 | chillfan | wadadli: file a bug report against the kernel package, asking for the patches to be included |
| 04:46.47 | klys | cjen2837, hope so. |
| 04:47.10 | chillfan | that's your safest bet, other than learning to compile your own kernel |
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| 04:48.04 | wadadli | quantic: has nothing to do with testing |
| 04:48.22 | wadadli | quantic: problem exists on stable |
| 04:48.32 | quantic | wadadli: you're running testing. |
| 04:48.34 | wadadli | quantic: problem exists on all linux distros |
| 04:48.37 | chillfan | it does as you're using testing, but again.. solution is the same, file against the kernel package a bug/feature request |
| 04:48.46 | wadadli | quantic: problem exists because of `nouveau` drivers |
| 04:49.03 | chillfan | so install your non-free drivers in the meantime |
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| 04:50.01 | wadadli | well that's a shame |
| 04:50.14 | somiaj | wadadli: I missed your problem and what nvidia card are you talking about? |
| 04:50.18 | cjen2837 | klys, thanks |
| 04:50.35 | wadadli | somiaj: huh? I'm using a GT 730. |
| 04:50.36 | chillfan | wadadli: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_352.55_64bit_.28nvidia_site_installer.29 use this.. substitute linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 for linux-headers-amd64 and yes it will work |
| 04:51.08 | chillfan | the nvidia package cares no shits what distro you use |
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| 04:51.19 | chillfan | so it's good |
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| 04:51.52 | alturic | anyone familiar with gnu parallel? |
| 04:52.12 | somiaj | wadadli: I didn't catch what your problem with nouveau is. |
| 04:52.39 | somiaj | wadadli: But to patch the kernel there are various ways to go about this, though each will take a bit of work. |
| 04:53.01 | somiaj | alturic: what do you mean by gnu parallel and what does this have to do with debian? |
| 04:53.08 | wadadli | somiaj: here read this http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~darktama/nouveau/commit/?id=8d5fe3328855063bb41acb00b1049138acce8e2e |
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| 04:55.18 | somiaj | wadadli: I'm not familar with the exact issue, but I can help direct you to how to patch and compila custom kernel. |
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| 04:55.40 | alturic | Sorry, didn't realize #debian was strictly chat about debian core. |
| 04:55.42 | wadadli | somiaj: k |
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| 04:56.00 | somiaj | alturic: no problem, ##linux is a good place for generic linux questions. |
| 04:56.34 | somiaj | wadadli: you basically have two choices, use the kernel source fromkernel.org and configure your own kernel. Or take the debian package, patch it and compile the kernel |
| 04:57.40 | somiaj | wadadli: do you have any experince with patching or compling anything? |
| 04:57.53 | wadadli | somiaj: nop |
| 04:58.24 | wadadli | somiaj: take which debian package? |
| 04:58.34 | somiaj | wadadli: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 04:58.46 | somiaj | there is some documetation. You will have to adjust it for stretch and the kernel you are using. |
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| 05:00.06 | somiaj | wadadli: basic workflow, 1) install the package linux-source. 2) apply the patch to the linux source located in /usr/src, 3) configure the kernel (you can use /boot/config-version for your current kernel, copy it to .config and run make oldconfig), 4) follow the instructions on that link to compile a custom kernel package. |
| 05:01.05 | somiaj | wadadli: I would strongly suggest you have another kernel version installed (maybe you still have the 3.16 or 4.1 kernel floating around) this way if your kernel fails to boot you can use your backup kernel. |
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| 05:03.58 | wadadli | clear |
| 05:04.09 | wadadli | chillfan: well that failed |
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| 05:09.33 | chillfan | wadadli: failed how? |
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| 05:30.31 | AliSh | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.52 | AliSh | the battery display showing full charge |
| 05:31.05 | quantic | AliSh: capacity doesn't equal charge. |
| 05:32.11 | AliSh | i had win7 before it and it hadnt any problem |
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| 05:33.39 | AliSh | i didnt find anything usefull in google. |
| 05:34.51 | AliSh | quantic: is this really battery issue? |
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| 05:35.39 | wehde_ | does anyone know how to sync apt-cache across servers? |
| 05:36.10 | quantic | AliSh: could be. batteries break down over time. how old is the battery? |
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| 05:36.59 | AliSh | i think i have bought it about 4 years ago |
| 05:38.26 | AliSh | or maybe 6 |
| 05:38.31 | AliSh | i dont remember |
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| 05:40.25 | AliSh | but why suddenly it happened? i was using windows without battery problem |
| 05:42.35 | AliSh | and i should say it happen in kde when i unplug ac |
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| 05:44.09 | cheapie | AliSh: If I had to guess, your battery probably holds 46% of what it did when new. Windows is OK with that, but Debian wants you to know about it. |
| 05:44.39 | cheapie | AliSh: As long as it's not going dead sooner in Debian than Windows, I would say there is no problem here. |
| 05:45.38 | nb-ben | it would probably be dead later with Debian |
| 05:45.56 | AliSh | i used it morning about two hours ago and it lost 12% for 10 minute |
| 05:45.56 | nb-ben | because it keeps your system idle more than Windows |
| 05:46.18 | cheapie | AliSh: Does it drain about that fast in Windows? |
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| 05:47.58 | quantic | AliSh: if your battery is down to 46% health, it's time to get a new one. and for a battery that old, that's about right. |
| 05:48.17 | quantic | AliSh: batteries are considered "exhausted" when they're down to 80% health. voltage drop over charge gets erratic after that. |
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| 05:52.42 | freaky[t] | hi all. im using debian 8.2 jessie. i now hjave a problem. it says unable to start /usr/share/denyhosts/denyhosts_ctl.py (No such file or directory) when trying to start service denyhosts. i cant install --reinstall denyhosts it says package is not available. and an apt-file search /usr/share/denyhosts/denyhosts_ctl.py also doesnt givve any results. can anyone help me? |
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| 05:55.39 | cheapie | freaky[t]: denyhosts does not appear to be present in jessie. Was this system upgraded from wheezy or something? |
| 05:55.57 | freaky[t] | cheapie yes from wheezy |
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| 05:56.46 | cheapie | That would be where it came from. It appears that they chose to drop the package at some point before the jessie release. |
| 05:56.53 | freaky[t] | any chance i can fix it. the system cant reach state LSB or whjatever |
| 05:57.26 | cheapie | Remove denyhosts, and use fail2ban instead if desired. |
| 05:57.44 | cheapie | "The denyhosts package is very similar to fail2ban. In particular, both contain a set of regular expressions for matching log files from daemons. These regular expressions are hard to get right. Thus the Debian security team wants to avoid supporting both tools." |
| 05:57.49 | freaky[t] | Package 'denyhosts' is not installed, so not removed |
| 05:58.14 | cheapie | It *shouldn't* be trying to load it, then. Odd... |
| 05:58.25 | freaky[t] | =/ what can i do? |
| 05:58.37 | cheapie | resoarches |
| 05:58.41 | cheapie | researches* |
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| 05:59.37 | freaky[t] | ok thank you oso much |
| 06:00.05 | freaky[t] | im getting the error with logratate that show i found out i got an email from my server telling me that this fails |
| 06:00.16 | freaky[t] | i now rmeoved the denyhosts logrotate.d entry |
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| 06:01.36 | cheapie | Try "systemctl disable denyhosts". |
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| 06:03.01 | freaky[t] | cheapie ok th anks i think that hsould have done it ;D |
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| 06:19.24 | Kyokushin | how can I see a list of available wifi networks that I can connect too? |
| 06:19.27 | lubarch | hello, could somebody tell me, why "xset s off" doesn't work ? 'xset q' shows timeout 0 after 'xset s off' but screen go blank again after 600 sec |
| 06:19.31 | lubarch | i also tried xset s 3600 3600 it too doesn't work |
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| 07:20.25 | poffs | how do i get a web page to tell the browser that it has been updated, so the browser doesn't try to pull the page from cache? |
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| 07:25.12 | poffs | <META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache"> |
| 07:25.15 | poffs | got it solved. |
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| 07:35.55 | zw | Hi, I have this netstat output : tcp 0 0 *:35798 *:* LISTEN - |
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| 07:36.36 | zw | lsof -i tcp:35798 isn't getting me anything. The box is completely firewalled (external applicance) and with iptables, tcpdump isn't giving anything |
| 07:36.42 | zw | Any clue what is keeping that port open ? :) |
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| 08:03.59 | julius | hi |
| 08:04.05 | cryptonix2 | hello |
| 08:04.11 | cryptonix2 | bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 08:04.11 | cryptonix2 | bash: no job control in this shell |
| 08:04.26 | julius | in the debian jessie installer, how do you say "take only xx amount of gb" and format that |
| 08:04.35 | julius | the only options i can choose are "use full drive" |
| 08:05.11 | cryptonix2 | no custom option? |
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| 08:07.26 | julius | ah, open a shell with F2. run fdisk. create partitions |
| 08:07.37 | julius | theres a manuel option, but i kinda got lost in the options |
| 08:07.40 | cryptonix2 | yeah you could do that too |
| 08:07.52 | julius | but of course neither kpartx, no partprobe is installed. so i have to reboot |
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| 08:08.07 | SirLagz | julius: the Manual option lets you do what fdisk does. create partitions etc |
| 08:08.21 | cryptonix2 | but how are you going to tell the installer to choose the right partition? |
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| 08:09.00 | julius | cryptonix2, im gonna go balls deep...until he understands me |
| 08:09.20 | cryptonix2 | heh |
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| 08:10.11 | julius | sorry for the wording |
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| 08:19.09 | julius | crap, now i got a LVM group, and a logical volume inside it. but where do i tell it that this is / ? |
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| 08:27.56 | julius | ah, finally. sorry.. im missing some sleep |
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| 08:32.24 | beepie | julius, you're alive! |
| 08:33.00 | brutus_ | julius, not anymore !! meahououhhihihoohoohoo |
| 08:33.09 | brutus_ | >:D |
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| 08:33.57 | julius | beepie, ? |
| 08:34.25 | beepie | julius, where dat brutus? |
| 08:34.45 | beepie | julius, ha! |
| 08:35.14 | beepie | !brutus |
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| 08:40.06 | julius | i want some of that stuff |
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| 08:48.15 | misterioso | Hello, I have a question about the «arch» command. I am running a Debian of 32-bits on a 64-bit machine. The command arch returns i686, but I expected it to return x86_64... |
| 08:48.32 | misterioso | The command «uname -p» outputs "unknown" |
| 08:48.48 | misterioso | how can I get my real processor type? |
| 08:49.41 | AimHere | You can probably dig it out of /proc/cpuinfo somehow |
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| 08:50.12 | chid | what does the user debian-+ mean in ps? |
| 08:50.30 | misterioso | mmm... AimHere so uname and arch give no reliable info? |
| 08:50.45 | AimHere | uname gives reliable information about your operating system architecture |
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| 08:52.33 | misterioso | AimHere: arch is supposed to be equivalent to uname -m, which should yield the machine hardware name (according to the man page). Is it normal that it outputs the OS architecture instead of the machine's? |
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| 08:53.24 | AimHere | It's normal, yes. I think the bug is in the manpage not the program |
| 08:54.33 | misterioso | oh, that figures. AimHere, yet another question please ^^', therefore the command which yields the output I want would be «uname -p», right? |
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| 08:55.01 | AimHere | Probably, though that might come up with 'unknown' |
| 08:55.11 | puR0 | hi everyone |
| 08:55.35 | AimHere | You could try this line if you prefer: lshw -class cpu|grep "^ width"|uniq|awk '{print $2}' |
| 08:55.46 | AimHere | Though lshw might need to be apt-getted first |
| 08:56.00 | misterioso | yes, it does hehehe. Ok, but it's fine that I understood why uname -m was not giving what I expected. thanks AimHere, I aim at you to thank you ;) |
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| 09:14.48 | CruX|_ | hi i am using evolution with ews |
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| 09:15.10 | CruX|_ | If I click on callendar I'm getting this problem: |
| 09:15.12 | CruX|_ | [ 8292.033754] traps: evolution[6743] trap divide error ip:7f23b4f0e5cf sp:7fffb78a4060 error:0 in libevolution-calendar.so.0.0.0[7f23b4eab000+108000] |
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| 09:15.28 | CruX|_ | is this known issue ? |
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| 09:18.56 | puR0 | hi there debian experts out there |
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| 09:19.57 | puR0 | I have a problem that is currently driving me mad: we have a server farm with many redhat-flavoured servers, windows servers plus just 5 debian-flavoured server (3 debian wheezy, 1 debian jessie, 1 ubuntu server), some of them are virtualized (esx) and some are physical (same applies also for the redhat and windows servers). |
| 09:20.13 | puR0 | -so I assume I may exclude hardware failures- |
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| 09:20.20 | puR0 | problem is that just these 5 debian machines are unreachable from our IPsec connected remote offices |
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| 09:21.03 | puR0 | these IPsec connections are directly established on our pfsense gateway, so network goes quite normal as follows: (clients)-> ipsec tunnel -> gateway (192.168.2.X) -> server farm (192.168.2.0/24) |
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| 09:21.36 | puR0 | out of your experience, is there any default settings in debian I am not aware of? |
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| 09:24.03 | puR0 | sorry, got disconnected, hope I didn't lost any tip |
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| 09:40.50 | zafu | hi, anyone notice that iceweasel 41/42 hang ? |
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| 09:48.06 | hoarse | I'm having some compilation errors on an old Debian install, it states "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++" athough I think the libraries should be installed. Any clues? As you can see I'm quite new in that compilation process. |
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| 09:51.05 | jelly | hoarse: which debian release is that? |
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| 09:52.48 | klain_ | Hi, I need help with my openldap server, I use pam to bind users via ldap. I can log into but can't change current user password with passwd command. Log show me "Insufficient access". I know why this is because when it try to change pwd client is logging via rootbinddn user define in ldap.conf. However I would like passwd command bind with it own account not this one because openldap server accept userPasswd changed by self. So how t |
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| 09:54.40 | rampageripper | I install kde-full but many kde apps like ktorrent and konversation were not installed.why is that? |
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| 09:55.48 | themill | rampageripper: kde-full is the collection of things that are part of KDE SC which is not every package that happens to compile against kdelibs |
| 09:57.08 | rampageripper | themill: ok,thanx |
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| 10:06.05 | svetlana | https://release.debian.org/britney/update_excuses.html#addresses-for-gnustep Is this in stable or in testing now? Is there a way for me to install it on jessie right now? |
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| 10:12.01 | nkuttler | ,v addresses-for-gnustep |
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| 10:41.06 | chid | what does the user debian-+ mean in ps? |
| 10:41.58 | themill | chid: the username has been truncated. It's probably Debian-exim for your MTA |
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| 11:29.39 | Ecco | Hi guys |
| 11:29.46 | Ecco | Is it possible to install Debian 8 over serial? |
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| 11:35.16 | ewew | Does someone use afterstep WM ? |
| 11:35.26 | themill | Ecco: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en |
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| 11:41.56 | adm001mi | hey all got a problem installing debian jessie. just downloaded the netinstall.iso and after booting it seems the installer is stuck at hardware check... for a brief moment the text is visible, the next moment there is only a blue screen with a grey/white bottom bar |
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| 11:44.12 | adm001mi | at detecting network hardware. this happends in both the text and the graphic installer |
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| 11:58.00 | adm001mi | I tried this with an 8.0.0 install and an 8.2.0 install on both dvd and usb... |
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| 11:58.24 | adm001mi | I need to reinstall debian because of work and training |
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| 12:01.12 | adm001mi | anyone? |
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| 12:02.18 | CruX|_ | adm001mi: and your question is ? |
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| 12:03.36 | adm001mi | CruX_ I need to reinstall debian, but I get stuck after the detect network hardware... the entire system freezes... I've tried it with a 8.0.0 net install and a 8.2.0 net install... from usb and dvd... all 4 attempts get stuck at the same part... redownloaded the images... and still the same issue |
| 12:04.01 | CruX|_ | which part ? |
| 12:04.35 | adm001mi | After checking the network hardware, its hits the 95% and then all text clears, and the screen remains blue with a grey/white bottombar |
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| 12:06.10 | adm001mi | CruX_ and it happens in both the text and graphic installer |
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| 12:07.19 | CruX|_ | adm001mi: hmm don't know |
| 12:07.28 | CruX|_ | maybe try to disconnect network cable |
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| 12:07.55 | ewew | adm001mi Did you check tty4 ? |
| 12:08.02 | adm001mi | CruX_ will try... |
| 12:08.49 | adm001mi | ewew: I want to but nothing work, hence the freeze ;-) |
| 12:08.51 | CruX|_ | adm001mi: also try to wait some time maybee it is waiting for timeout.... |
| 12:09.08 | ewew | adm001mi before. Sysrq does not work ? |
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| 12:09.49 | adm001mi | ewew: you need to clearify that one |
| 12:10.08 | ewew | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
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| 12:11.00 | ewew | adm001mi can you disable network card in bios ? |
| 12:11.05 | adm001mi | ewew: will try that |
| 12:11.24 | adm001mi | ewew: dunno... I don't dig around much in my laptops bios... |
| 12:12.55 | adm001mi | ewew: nope that's not possible |
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| 12:13.26 | ewew | adm001mi card disable or sysrq ? |
| 12:13.42 | adm001mi | ewew: card disable |
| 12:13.47 | ewew | ok |
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| 12:14.30 | adm001mi | ewew: so in theory, syrq should work always? |
| 12:14.33 | jelly | adm001mi: with text installer, are you able to Ctrl-Alt-F3 at that point? |
| 12:14.46 | adm001mi | jelly: nope. complete system freeze |
| 12:14.50 | jelly | fun |
| 12:15.17 | adm001mi | jelly: yeah brings back frozen... |
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| 12:15.31 | adm001mi | ewew: gonna try sysrq now |
| 12:16.02 | adm001mi | ewew: it does nothing... |
| 12:16.28 | jelly | adm001mi: does the system have a wifi card as well? |
| 12:16.59 | adm001mi | jelly: yes... but it never did this before... I've reinstall debian like 2 months ago... |
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| 12:17.54 | jelly | adm001mi: hmm. Can you verify if the same thing happens with the unofficial images containing firmware, |
| 12:17.57 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 12:17.57 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 12:20.21 | adm001mi | without an attached network cable it still freezes |
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| 12:21.12 | ewew | adm001mi Did you try expert install. |
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| 12:21.43 | adm001mi | ewew: the regular, the expert text install, the expert graphicall install... |
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| 12:30.57 | morphyeys | hello guys, I have installed cairo-dock, but I have no idea how to use it? |
| 12:32.17 | towo^work | configure it, start it? |
| 12:32.37 | towo^work | why you insdtall thinks, if you don't know, what to do with it? |
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| 12:34.54 | morphyeys | btw I have enabled the system monitor extension from the tweak tool, but I don't see system monitor anywhere? |
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| 12:38.21 | jokoon_ | hello |
| 12:38.32 | jokoon_ | I have just installed debian 8.2 |
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| 12:38.52 | jokoon_ | what is the default window manager ? and how do I enable wifi ? |
| 12:39.09 | bazhang | for gnome? |
| 12:39.37 | bazhang | ,v nautilus |
| 12:39.38 | judd | Package: nautilus on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.1-2squeeze2; wheezy: 3.4.2-1+build1; jessie: 3.14.1-2; sid: 3.18.1-1; stretch: 3.18.1-1 |
| 12:39.42 | adm001mi | ah live debian will boot |
| 12:39.46 | morphyeys | how to remove cairo-dock without any problems? |
| 12:39.55 | jokoon_ | is it gnome ? because how do I switch between apps ? why Can't I stick icons to launch those apps ? |
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| 12:43.43 | jokoon_ | found in the tweak menu |
| 12:44.22 | bazhang | is this debian or some MINTy type thing |
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| 12:46.17 | erchache2000 | hi, Is it possible to split dhcpd.conf file into subnet files? |
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| 12:50.11 | bazhang | whats the name of the tweak tool jokoon_ |
| 12:50.42 | bazhang | jokoon_, is this straight debian, or debian based such as kali mint or the like |
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| 12:51.38 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 12:53.10 | adm001mi | but installing from the live debian results in the same... total freeze on detect network hardware |
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| 12:53.52 | bazhang | jokoon_, you still there or what |
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| 12:56.26 | adm001mi | anything else I can try? |
| 12:59.02 | jokoon_ | yes |
| 12:59.11 | jokoon_ | can't understand why wifi did not install |
| 12:59.13 | darxmurf | quick question for you guys, I manage a few machines with dual 6 cores XEONS, 64Gb RAM and nvidia CUDA cards. Those machines are running 24/7 for chemistry computing. Do you think I will improve the speed of the machine if I install home made kernel ? At the moment they are running debian 3.2.0 kernels |
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| 12:59.25 | jokoon_ | its a brand new thinkpad |
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| 13:00.15 | jokoon_ | bazhang: still there ? |
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| 13:01.12 | bazhang | jokoon_, you never answered any of my questions |
| 13:01.24 | zykotick9 | jokoon_: there is a good chance your thinkpad comes with non-free intel wireless... what wireless do you have? if it's intel, have you installed the non-free firemware? |
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| 13:02.05 | jokoon_ | bazhang: oh sorry. It's a debian, not minty. it's a netinst |
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| 13:03.05 | bazhang | whats the exact name of the tweak tool jokoon_ |
| 13:03.19 | jokoon_ | bazhang: seems like its intel http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/l-series/l440/ |
| 13:03.50 | jokoon_ | bazhang: no the tweak tool was just to show the application bar icons |
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| 13:04.17 | bazhang | jokoon_, tweak tool from where, whats the exact name |
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| 13:05.30 | jokoon_ | it was something apart from the wifi, but in debian it's just called tweak tool |
| 13:06.09 | jokoon_ | GNOME Tweak Tool |
| 13:06.59 | jokoon_ | so I must install a non free driver |
| 13:07.30 | jokoon_ | I wish I would have known that before buying that computer... I though thinkpads were kinda linux ready |
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| 13:08.40 | jokoon_ | so I guess I should do stuff from this https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 13:12.13 | jokoon_ | It's odd because it seems bluetooth is enabled but not wifi |
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| 13:12.44 | bazhang | unless its a bit more seasoned intel, then thats mostly the case |
| 13:12.59 | bazhang | ie wifi out of the box with no firmware whatsoever |
| 13:13.31 | jokoon_ | so should I go with iwlwifi ? |
| 13:13.45 | bazhang | if you have found the exact steps in the wiki, of course thats what you should do |
| 13:14.10 | bazhang | ,v gnome-tweak-tool |
| 13:14.12 | judd | Package: gnome-tweak-tool on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.0.1-2; jessie: 3.14.2-2; stretch: 3.18.0-1; sid: 3.18.0-1 |
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| 13:16.04 | jokoon_ | also why doesn't sudo work ? was it removed ? should I use su instead ? |
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| 13:18.04 | bazhang | what sudo command did you try to use jokoon_ |
| 13:18.12 | jokoon_ | sudo apt-get |
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| 13:19.14 | jelly | not sure L series counts as thinkpad... |
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| 13:19.16 | jelly | </troll> |
| 13:19.27 | bazhang | sudo apt-get what jokoon_ |
| 13:19.49 | jokoon_ | sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome |
| 13:20.25 | bazhang | ,v network-manager-gnome |
| 13:20.26 | judd | Package: network-manager-gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.1-5; jessie: 0.9.10.0-2; stretch: 1.0.6-2; sid: 1.0.6-2 |
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| 13:20.43 | jokoon_ | why are you asking me that ? |
| 13:20.47 | bazhang | and was this a brand new install jokoon_ |
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| 13:21.04 | jokoon_ | yes |
| 13:21.29 | bazhang | jokoon_, did you ever do the first run of apt-get update and so on |
| 13:21.30 | jokoon_ | I mean I installed it last week |
| 13:21.58 | jokoon_ | oh no I did not |
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| 13:22.05 | bazhang | there you go then |
| 13:24.32 | jokoon_ | but sudo still doesn't work |
| 13:24.45 | jelly | how does it fail? |
| 13:25.00 | jokoon_ | bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 13:25.27 | jelly | jokoon_: perhaps the "sudo" package is not installed at all. |
| 13:25.33 | jokoon_ | okay |
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| 13:25.59 | jelly | this happens if you specify a nonempty root password at installation time |
| 13:26.05 | adm001mi | still no go on reinstalling debian... |
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| 13:26.35 | jelly | jokoon_: use "su -" to open a root shell and do administrative tasks (including installing sudo ;-) from there |
| 13:27.06 | jokoon_ | I must edit a sources.list |
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| 13:27.48 | jokoon_ | in admin mode |
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| 13:28.02 | jokoon_ | I guess in command line |
| 13:29.35 | adm001mi | jokoon_: you need indeed admin mode and vi or nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:29.43 | bazhang | su nano /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the proper ones |
| 13:29.58 | bazhang | ie remove the # in front of them |
| 13:30.12 | bazhang | save then update etc etc |
| 13:31.11 | jokoon_ | geez I HOPE that graphic driver are up to data, I intend to do some opengl 3 programming |
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| 13:31.40 | bazhang | what card exactly |
| 13:31.50 | jokoon_ | not so long ago the chipset drivers of some desktop I had were not upto date yet |
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| 13:32.07 | jokoon_ | some old brand |
| 13:32.14 | jokoon_ | for cheap desktop |
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| 13:32.23 | jokoon_ | intel or something like that |
| 13:32.29 | jokoon_ | can't remember |
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| 13:33.35 | bazhang | thats this same machine? |
| 13:33.41 | jokoon_ | no |
| 13:33.54 | jokoon_ | but it was some driver name thing |
| 13:33.54 | bazhang | so what card now |
| 13:34.04 | jokoon_ | now I have a thinkpad so it should be good |
| 13:34.16 | jokoon_ | its' a graphic chipset |
| 13:34.21 | bazhang | you dont know then |
| 13:34.23 | jokoon_ | hope it wont be the same issue |
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| 13:34.48 | jokoon_ | no you right I don't know |
| 13:35.04 | zykotick9 | jokoon_: using "lspci -v | grep -i vga" might show you. |
| 13:35.29 | jokoon_ | Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 13:39.12 | jokoon_ | I installed sudo, but now it tells me Im not in the sudoers file |
| 13:39.28 | jokoon_ | and when I give it the root pw it doesn't work |
| 13:39.31 | jokoon_ | wtf |
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| 13:40.02 | zykotick9 | jokoon_: as root "adduser YOURUSENAME sudo" then log out/back in as your user, and it should work. |
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| 13:40.31 | jokoon_ | oh thanks |
| 13:42.13 | jokoon_ | I modprobed iwlwifi |
| 13:42.25 | jokoon_ | how do I know it's working ? |
| 13:42.30 | jokoon_ | or should I restart ? |
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| 13:43.36 | adm001mi | root |
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| 13:44.19 | jokoon_ | yes I did use root to modprobe |
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| 13:49.03 | jokoon_ | still no wofi despite installing iwlwifi |
| 13:49.11 | jokoon_ | wifi* |
| 13:49.20 | jp47itc | i want to completely uninstall and purge icinga2, ok i did a remove and a purge... |
| 13:49.20 | jp47itc | but when i install the package again some config files are missing in /etc/icinga2... |
| 13:49.20 | jp47itc | how can i completely remove the package and reinstall everything again... |
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| 13:49.22 | jp47itc | i would use pacman if i could ;) |
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| 13:50.52 | morphyeys | hello guys, I've installed firefox on my debian, but now I am wondering how to add it's shortcut to the applications on gnome 3 |
| 13:50.53 | morphyeys | and so on |
| 13:50.58 | jokoon_ | oh shit I think I have realtek, not intel wireless |
| 13:51.20 | zykotick9 | !tell morphyeys about confmiss |
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| 13:52.05 | morphyeys | zykotick9, but I have downloaded the latest version of firefox from their website |
| 13:52.09 | morphyeys | and just extracted it |
| 13:52.32 | morphyeys | and moved it to /opt/ |
| 13:52.37 | zykotick9 | morphyeys: good luck then... |
| 13:52.42 | morphyeys | then I've done ln -s /opt.. /usr/bin/firefox |
| 13:52.55 | jokoon_ | I have RTL8192EE |
| 13:53.00 | jokoon_ | as a wifi controller |
| 13:53.04 | morphyeys | zykotick9, why? |
| 13:53.22 | morphyeys | I just want to be able to start it from the rest of the applications not from the terminal |
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| 13:54.29 | zykotick9 | morphyeys: you are dealing with a non-debian supported program... when there is a debian alternative... in _my_ opinion, you are on your own. |
| 13:55.30 | BuFF | hi, i can't import openvpn file via network-manager 0.9.10 on jessie, is this some sort of bug? |
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| 13:56.23 | BuFF | i can enable it cia cli, but i need it via gui for browsing |
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| 13:57.44 | trewas | morphyeys: it needs a .desktop file to appear in gnome menus |
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| 13:58.58 | jokoon_ | I have RTL8192EE, I installed the non free realtek drivers, still no wifi, what me do ? |
| 13:59.12 | morphyeys | trewas, I am trying to create it, but don't know much about those .desktop files? |
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| 14:01.03 | jokoon_ | oops I have debian 8 and I added the wheezy non free repo |
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| 14:02.51 | jokoon_ | how much data does a debian package mirror holds ? |
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| 14:04.45 | ewew | jokoon_ https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 14:05.17 | jokoon_ | 1.3 To |
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| 14:07.47 | jokoon_ | I installed that realtek non free firmware still no wifi |
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| 14:13.50 | jokoon_ | im an idiot. I never fix those linux problems :( |
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| 14:20.28 | jokoon_ | Im so pissed |
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| 14:21.25 | jelly | jokoon_: you need to reboot after installing that fw |
| 14:21.31 | jokoon_ | I did |
| 14:21.43 | jelly | oh, dunno then |
| 14:21.49 | jokoon_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1239578 I found this bug, do you know if it's fixed ? |
| 14:21.49 | Nazara | Hi all! I'm running testing and I want to be able to connect some old equipment to my xserver - how do I open it up to allow connections? |
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| 14:22.56 | Snader_LB | hi all. i wonder if / why the "blockdev-wipe" program, used by Debian's installer, it not part of any Debian package. (it _is_ part of an Ubuntu package, the "ubiquity" package, but i can't locate it in Debian). am i overlooking something? |
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| 14:23.59 | jelly | jokoon_: that bugs tracks progress within ubuntu. Linux kernel and drivers in Debian may differ significantly, each distro takes care of their own kernel. |
| 14:24.34 | graphiclunarkid | Hi everyone :) nginx on Debian Jessie fails to start for me if I change its PID file location from the default (by using "pid /var/run/nginx/nginx.pid; in nginx.conf). I've tracked it down to the systemd file nginx.service, which seems to hard-code the pid file location as "/run/nginx.conf". /etc/init.d/nginx still inspects nginx.conf for the PID file location it should use, but the script is supserseded by systemctl. Any |
| 14:24.34 | graphiclunarkid | advice on how to make systemd check the nginx.conf setting? |
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| 14:24.53 | jelly | jokoon_: you can try using a newer kernel release from jessie-backports tree, and the respective newer version of firmware, to see if it works any better |
| 14:25.02 | jelly | dpkg, tell jokoon_ about bdo kernel |
| 14:25.07 | jelly | dpkg, tell jokoon_ about jessie-backports |
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| 14:25.41 | jokoon_ | nah Im tired of fiddling with drivers and stuff |
| 14:25.59 | jokoon_ | on linux |
| 14:26.06 | jokoon_ | I have passed that age |
| 14:26.18 | jokoon_ | I would prefer resell that thinkpad |
| 14:26.40 | jokoon_ | I've always had issues with wifi and linux, it never works |
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| 14:27.09 | jokoon_ | I wonder what brand of laptop don't have this issue |
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| 14:27.25 | jokoon_ | or maybe I should use a wifi dongle |
| 14:27.50 | jelly | jokoon_: Thinkpad T or X series with intel wifi, and not the latest one either |
| 14:28.00 | jokoon_ | worst thing is that I wiped my windows 8 install, so I have no wifi now |
| 14:28.10 | jokoon_ | I don' |
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| 14:28.20 | jokoon_ | I don't have money for those laptops |
| 14:28.26 | jokoon_ | Im poor as fuck |
| 14:28.44 | jelly | jokoon_: I bought a refurb T420s for $300. There was a X220 for ~$200 |
| 14:28.47 | jokoon_ | and wifi has been fucking me hard |
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| 14:28.56 | jokoon_ | not buying refurbs |
| 14:29.21 | jelly | I buy stuff that I know works well on Linux. |
| 14:29.29 | jokoon_ | no warranty on those they might break |
| 14:29.47 | jokoon_ | well in my mind thinkpads works well with linux |
| 14:29.47 | jelly | got 6 months warranty from the vendor |
| 14:29.52 | jelly | not all. |
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| 14:30.13 | jokoon_ | well indeed, not all, but how should I know that ? |
| 14:30.33 | jelly | L series, Edge, are not really that good |
| 14:30.51 | jokoon_ | Should I audit each component driver to see if it works on linux ? Come on, I'm not a computer engineer |
| 14:30.55 | jelly | jokoon_: you should probably investigate and ask |
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| 14:31.27 | jokoon_ | I've read that thinkpads are fine, but was never told to avoid L or E |
| 14:31.28 | jelly | no need to be an engineer, just an educated buyer |
| 14:32.07 | jelly | yeah... then you haven't read enough and Lenovo has dilated that brand a lot |
| 14:32.12 | jelly | diluted* |
| 14:32.32 | jokoon_ | educated buyer ? well I did search, and did not find a list of models to avoid |
| 14:32.47 | jokoon_ | No I've not read that |
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| 14:33.21 | jokoon_ | apart from system76, I wonder what cheap laptop are linux friendly, I guess none |
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| 14:34.07 | jokoon_ | this bullshit makes me want to give up programming and computers in general. |
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| 14:35.40 | ewew | If people would avoid problematic components and cheep. People just buy windows and dont care. windows maybe has special drivers that solve issues. |
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| 14:36.19 | jokoon_ | I don't care about that, I just can't choose linux, it's a non-freedom |
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| 14:37.09 | jokoon_ | well there should be a white list of laptops and some guide to warn linux user what to avoid |
| 14:37.36 | jokoon_ | I waited 6 months before buying, I searched for models |
| 14:37.37 | ewew | well you can lookup components on internet. |
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| 14:38.09 | jokoon_ | Im not an auditor... this computer driver stuff is a scam |
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| 14:39.34 | bezaban | jokoon_: there was linux-on-laptops.com, but I don't think it's maintained anymore |
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| 14:40.01 | jelly | jokoon_: well, I'd go with T or X series Thinkpads. Even a 2011 machine that works stable with linux is better than a 2015 one that doesn't |
| 14:40.26 | jokoon_ | jelly: better as in performance ? |
| 14:40.38 | bezaban | but there are a few good options which are known to work well. I think I'd go with one that is also sold with linux preinstalled though |
| 14:40.56 | bezaban | if not only to encourage them :) |
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| 14:41.27 | jokoon_ | I would pay 50 euros to buy that realtek driver |
| 14:41.36 | jokoon_ | or to change that component |
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| 14:42.05 | Zesk | Hello, I want to use rsyslog to centralize different logs, could anyone have a reference/tutorial to separate logs by hostname and by the logged service? |
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| 14:42.40 | zykotick9 | jokoon_: note, typically ThinkPads will NOT let you switch out the wireless :( they have a bios whitelist of supported wireless... bastards... |
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| 14:45.11 | millican | zykotick9: That's good to note. I was considering changing mine out since it just plugs in. |
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| 14:47.08 | zykotick9 | millican: well, if you're _very_ lucky it might work. historically, i've looted non-intel wireless cards from one lenovo and transplanted them in another. now, my two lenovos have both had their bios switched, so it no longer applies. |
| 14:47.33 | dagerik | im trying to upgrade to debian 8. getting 404 with apt-get update on mariadb package |
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| 14:48.41 | Stummi | dagerik, "apt-get update" wouldn't load any packages, so it seems odd that this command gives you a 404 error on a package. what exactly have you typed? |
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| 14:49.35 | jokoon_ | At the customization page I could have customized the laptop and use a different chipset, the intel 7260 |
| 14:50.02 | jokoon_ | not even sure it would have been better |
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| 14:50.44 | jokoon_ | I can't even comprehend the lengths that this industry will go to to slow down linux |
| 14:50.48 | dagerik | Stummi: # apt-get update |
| 14:51.03 | Stummi | dagerik, what exactly is the output of apt-get update? |
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| 14:51.37 | Stummi | (what was the factoid for the "help with apt problems" guide again?) |
| 14:51.57 | ewew | jokoon_ People are not able to pay for good hw. They just buy cheap with windows and dont care. |
| 14:52.06 | dagerik | Stummi: https://bpaste.net/show/a42562aa3caf |
| 14:52.26 | jokoon_ | ewew: that doesn't mean linux can't have drivers for it |
| 14:52.33 | Stummi | dagerik, seems like a 3rd party repository |
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| 14:53.10 | ewew | jokoon_ This needs a cooperation with vendor. |
| 14:53.11 | Snader_LB | Zesk: rsyslogd(8), iirc, has UDP transport, but not UTP. also, it lacks encryption. you could look into "syslog-ng" (equally named package) which does support both TCP and encryption, as well as better filtering possibilities, e.g., on hostname |
| 14:53.28 | Snader_LB | Zesk: s/UTP/TCP/ |
| 14:53.33 | Stummi | dagerik, remove also, which debian version do you have? |
| 14:53.57 | jokoon_ | so why don't they cooperate ? |
| 14:54.21 | ewew | jokoon_ Their are satisfied with sales of cheap ntb. |
| 14:54.36 | Stummi | ,v mariadb-server |
| 14:54.37 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.16-1; sid: 10.0.20-3; stretch: 10.0.20-3; jessie-proposed-updates: 10.0.22-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.22-0+deb8u1; sid: 10.0.22-1 |
| 14:54.42 | jokoon_ | ewew NTB ? |
| 14:54.42 | Stummi | dagerik, wait, nvm the second question, misread something on the URL. Just remove that respotory from your sources.list, remove the unsupported mariadb pacakge and install it from debian repositories, and you should be fine |
| 14:54.55 | ewew | jokoon_ notebook, laptop |
| 14:54.59 | Snader_LB | Zesk: however, you should start by reading the rsyslog.conf(5) man page |
| 14:55.12 | jokoon_ | ewew thinkpads are not cheap |
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| 14:55.31 | ewew | jokoon_ Then dont know. |
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| 14:58.07 | chele | jokoon_: suites very well for the media. It may not be as sold as the cheap ones but IMHO they gain in public image that way. |
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| 15:00.42 | jokoon_ | Im tired of those media politics |
| 15:00.52 | jokoon_ | tired of getting taken for an idiot |
| 15:01.27 | jokoon_ | freedom world is nice until you get scammed |
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| 15:01.42 | Snader_LB | Zesk: PM me if you want more information; leaving the channel |
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| 15:21.38 | houndedshrue | I'm trying to install the latest version of R in Jessie by adding a CRAN mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list. No matter which mirror I add when I run apt-get update It fails to download index of packages from the CRAN mirror saying "error 403 forbidden". Does anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 15:22.30 | ksk | houndedshrue that sounds like a problem of your mirror, try "surfing" them using your brwoser. |
| 15:22.58 | houndedshrue | ksk: I can reach the file structure in browser |
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| 15:23.40 | houndedshrue | same thing happens with all mirrors when added to sources.list |
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| 15:40.17 | HD|Laptop | Hello |
| 15:41.03 | HD|Laptop | How do I on a Debian Testing system (with systemd) run a script setting /etc/hostname as soon as all partitions are mounted (and obviously, before the system sets the hostname)? |
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| 15:41.53 | HD|Laptop | it's a RPi and I want to have one "firmware" partition and one "config" partition, with stuff like hostname, hostapd config etc. on it so that I can re-flash the firmware partition without erasing the config |
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| 15:42.24 | somiaj | HD|Laptop: I'd look into .service files. With service files you can make the script depend on things such as the root fs being mounted. |
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| 15:42.42 | HD|Laptop | hmm |
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| 15:43.03 | HD|Laptop | I'd know how to do it with old init files, anyone here who knows systemd good enough? |
| 15:43.34 | somiaj | as I said, look into .service files, there is lots of documenation on this. Should need a smiple service file then use systemctl to enable it |
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| 15:59.14 | x86_64 | sooo |
| 15:59.16 | x86_64 | i did something rather weird |
| 15:59.18 | x86_64 | uh |
| 15:59.40 | x86_64 | i did this: dd if="a_file" of="file.iso" |
| 15:59.40 | majest1c | Have anyone heard of "asymmetric routing" in here? I think I have to make all the traffic coming from my VPN interface so that it routes via next-hop at my VPN provider |
| 15:59.51 | x86_64 | and burned that .iso file to a cd with wodim |
| 15:59.56 | x86_64 | and i can't read the cd |
| 16:00.05 | x86_64 | so... how am i supposed to read it? |
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| 16:03.54 | abrotman | x86_64: There are several programs for creating a iso9660 filesystem or wathever it's called |
| 16:04.08 | x86_64 | sooooo |
| 16:04.14 | x86_64 | what happens to the cd? |
| 16:04.16 | x86_64 | crap? |
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| 16:04.46 | jelly | x86_64: it has that file written on it, instead of a filesystem |
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| 16:05.02 | x86_64 | oh i see... soooooo |
| 16:05.14 | x86_64 | i wrote to the CD the RAW and the RAW-ng way? |
| 16:05.37 | jelly | x86_64: you can dd from the disk into a file back, but the size will the rounded up to 2048 bytes and you don't have the file name and permissions |
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| 16:06.58 | aliouii_ | i have a problem with gdb under debian 8. in gdb ctrl+c doesn't make program stop |
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| 16:07.51 | aliouii_ | i am not talking about ctrl+c in shell (bash) |
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| 16:08.09 | x86_64 | jelly: oddly, the file i wrote to the disc was 699 MB in size; how come the green-ish data indicator on the disk covers only half? |
| 16:08.17 | vamps | aliouii_: do you intercept SIGINT in your program ? |
| 16:08.28 | jelly | lol, greenish data indicator :-) |
| 16:08.49 | x86_64 | jelly: .....how's that funny? |
| 16:09.08 | aliouii_ | vamps : no |
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| 16:09.57 | jelly | x86_64: I'm assuming you're referring to the part of the medium that was written to. |
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| 16:10.55 | aliouii_ | i run gdb under root or unprivileged user (same user as the program) but no luck |
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| 16:11.14 | x86_64 | jelly: yep |
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| 16:13.46 | x86_64 | sooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:13.50 | x86_64 | what's goin on? |
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| 16:15.00 | majest1c | http://jensd.be/468/linux/two-network-cards-rp_filter Guys scroll down to "The quick and dirty solution", I just solved my problem by typing "sysctl net.ipv4.conf.all.rp_filter=2" and now when my server is connected to openVPN I can use that IP to connect to my mumble servers etc. But I do not understand why that is a bad solution? |
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| 16:15.42 | jelly | x86_64: could be it wasn't burned properly and you didn't look at the result output of the burning app. Could be it's a dvd medium. Could be the file was fully written but the device switched to a different speed and that part of the medium seems different to your eye. |
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| 16:15.50 | majest1c | Before that I could not connect to my server using the IP from the VPN tunnel but now I can thanks to that |
| 16:16.35 | x86_64 | hmm |
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| 16:19.45 | jelly | majest1c: it's dirty, not bad... the implication is might be some other misconfiguration in your network setup of multiple interfaces on the linux server, which might be better solved by fixing the config or connecting to the available IP on the relevant interface |
| 16:20.38 | majest1c | alright but that will do |
| 16:20.43 | x86_64 | jelly: i think wc -c /dev/sr0 will tell me in ........ some time :p |
| 16:21.04 | jelly | x86_64: blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sr0 |
| 16:21.21 | x86_64 | ah actually your right :p |
| 16:21.32 | jelly | or seek to the end and read the offset |
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| 16:22.34 | jelly | but who knows, if the burn failed the cd might _look_ as if it's the full size but not actually be readable |
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| 16:24.00 | Walex | just use 'sha1sum' to check burned images |
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| 16:24.28 | x86_64 | probably drunk, but i deleted the original file as i trusted the cd *sigh* |
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| 16:24.55 | jelly | Walex: you're missing the context, x86_64 accidentally wrote a file instead of creating an iso9960 containing said file |
| 16:24.56 | Walex | x86_64: 'sha1sum' is also good for reading the whole CD so testing it. |
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| 16:25.09 | Walex | jelly: ah yes, the context. |
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| 16:25.49 | x86_64 | oO |
| 16:25.50 | Walex | BTW I do 'tar' backups direct to the CD/DVD, no ISO9660, treating it as a tape cartridge. I sometimes do the same to whole hard disks. |
| 16:25.56 | jelly | so doing a sha1sum on the disk whose size is rounded up to cd-mode1-block-size (2048B) may not match the original file |
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| 16:26.42 | Walex | if the file was compressed there is usually a "test" option in the compressor tool. |
| 16:27.22 | x86_64 | oh wait... so |
| 16:27.46 | x86_64 | i am dd if=cd of=file bs=2048 now...... soooo: i will get a file of multiple 2048? |
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| 16:28.24 | jelly | x86_64: what was the file type? |
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| 16:28.55 | jelly | if it was a, dunno, .mkv, you can just play the whole cd as-is with mpv / mplayer / whatever |
| 16:29.01 | x86_64 | /dev/random output with haveged |
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| 16:29.53 | jelly | x86_64: why do you care about the length, then? |
| 16:30.16 | jelly | "I need exactly 699MiB of qualified random data for... REASONS" |
| 16:30.26 | x86_64 | huehue |
| 16:30.33 | jelly | !wayttd |
| 16:30.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 16:30.43 | frostschutz | x86_64, iflag=fullblock |
| 16:31.29 | x86_64 | hm |
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| 16:36.10 | morf | hi |
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| 16:36.55 | morf | i needed libvpx1 in jessie (has libvpx2) ... i have installed it manually by dpkg -i ... how much i can break the apt with something like this... eventually any tip for better way? |
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| 16:42.25 | jelly | morf: you can't break too much with older versions of libs, _if_ they have a different SONAME and package name, |
| 16:43.04 | jelly | morf: you could do it by re-adding a repo for an older release of debian that still has it, then install it via apt. |
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| 16:43.16 | jelly | ,v libvpx1 |
| 16:43.17 | judd | Package: libvpx1 on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 1.0.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.0-1; jessie: 1.3.0-3 |
| 16:43.40 | jelly | morf: also, there is libvpx1 in jessie?? |
| 16:44.01 | morf | i'm idiot |
| 16:44.09 | morf | it's stretch... |
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| 16:45.00 | morf | jelly: anyway thanks |
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| 16:46.05 | morf | btw is there some gui tool for noobs to help install proprietary drivers like jockey in ubuntu? |
| 16:46.55 | jelly | morf: nope |
| 16:47.06 | morf | i installed debian yesterday on two laptops and i almost die because of some stupid intel wifis, that would work even with the right driver... |
| 16:47.18 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 16:47.18 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 16:47.39 | jelly | morf: ^^ using those is probably the simplest way to get around firmware issues for wifi |
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| 16:48.17 | morf | yes of course i used those... but it just didn't work |
| 16:48.30 | morf | but it worked at the end so |
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| 16:49.16 | ueber | hi there |
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| 16:49.39 | ueber | I need to temporarely mount a nas |
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| 16:50.20 | ueber | a Lenovo Storecenter ix2, which should support samba and nfs |
| 16:50.36 | ueber | it's correctly accessed by windows boxes, but not from debian |
| 16:51.19 | quantic | ueber: try putting your entire issue in one line. this isnt twitter. :P |
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| 16:52.10 | ueber | quantic: :) |
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| 16:53.36 | ueber | I need to temporarely mount a Lenovo ix2 Nas, which should support Samba and NFS. It's properly accessed by Windows boxes but not from Debian |
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| 16:54.25 | quantic | ueber: what is it doing/not doing in Debian? Error messages, etc? |
| 16:55.14 | ueber | this command gave timeout: mount -t nfs 192.168.1.30:/nfs/Backups /media/nas |
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| 16:57.27 | rushsteve1 | So what's up with Termite not being in the Debian repos? |
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| 16:58.36 | sorin-mihai | is there some working ootb 'how to' for automatic backup of libvirt managed VMs? |
| 16:58.37 | zinx | things don't get put in debian repos for many reasons... 1) no maintainer, 2) no license to redistribute, etc etc |
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| 16:58.54 | teraflops | heh rushsteve1 I think is because it uses a custom libvte |
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| 16:59.31 | ueber | anybody here knows how to mount that nas ? |
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| 16:59.47 | quantic | ueber: what's it do when you try to mount it via samba? |
| 16:59.51 | jelly | rushsteve1: packaging takes work, someone has to do that work and commit to maintaining the quality of the package for the foreseeable future. |
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| 17:00.02 | jelly | judd: wnpp termite |
| 17:00.03 | judd | Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found. |
| 17:00.24 | ueber | quantic: any command suggestion ? |
| 17:00.35 | quantic | ueber: have you tried over samba at all yet? |
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| 17:01.33 | teraflops | rushsteve1: hmm are you talking about the termite vte-based terminal? if not, forget my comments |
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| 17:01.51 | ueber | quantic: I tried with mount -t smbfs 192.168.1.30:/Backups /media/nas |
| 17:02.15 | ueber | but I get: mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs' |
| 17:02.22 | rushsteve1 | teraflops: yeah i was. i was unaware that it used a custom libvte, thanks for the clarification. |
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| 17:02.35 | quantic | ueber: fs type is "cifs," for one. Second, your syntax is wrong. |
| 17:02.54 | quantic | ueber: mount -t cifs //192.168.1.30/Backups /media/nas |
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| 17:03.06 | teraflops | rushsteve1: i whish it were in the debian repos too |
| 17:03.45 | ueber | quantic: done but I get: |
| 17:03.46 | ueber | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.30/Backups, missing codepage or helper program, or other error (for several filesystems (e.g. nfs, cifs) you might need a /sbin/mount.<type> helper program) |
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| 17:04.00 | teraflops | rushsteve1: vte3-ng |
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| 17:04.08 | quantic | ueber: do you have cifs-utils installed? |
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| 17:04.20 | ueber | quantic: no |
| 17:04.27 | quantic | ueber: :) |
| 17:04.40 | ueber | lets try ? |
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| 17:06.35 | ueber | quantic: it seems to work now :) |
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| 17:13.57 | MadHatter42 | how can I check if in the jessie backports is the openssh server 7 ? |
| 17:14.23 | MadHatter42 | anyone ? |
| 17:15.15 | Brigo | manningx, use ,v <package-name> in this channel |
| 17:15.23 | quantic | ,v openssh-server |
| 17:15.25 | judd | Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security-lts: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5; sid: 1:6.9p1-2+b1; stretch: 1:6.9p1-2+b1 |
| 17:15.25 | Brigo | or /query judd (it's a bot) |
| 17:15.33 | vamps | or maybe http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
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| 17:16.04 | Brigo | MadHatter42, do you need 6.9? |
| 17:16.21 | MadHatter42 | i need 7 |
| 17:16.33 | Brigo | it is in jessie already. |
| 17:16.34 | MadHatter42 | i know 6.9 its in the experiemntal and testing |
| 17:16.44 | MadHatter42 | i need 7.0 |
| 17:16.48 | Brigo | ah, ok :) |
| 17:16.51 | MadHatter42 | Brigo, not quite, jessie has 6.7 |
| 17:17.01 | Brigo | MadHatter42, yes, i see know, sorry :) |
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| 17:17.04 | quantic | MadHatter42: Why do you NEED 7? |
| 17:17.25 | MadHatter42 | quantic, |
| 17:17.26 | MadHatter42 | OpenSSH < 7.0 Multiple Vulnerabilities High |
| 17:17.26 | MadHatter42 | OpenSSH < 7.1 Security Bypass Vulnerability Medium |
| 17:17.34 | MadHatter42 | for *reasons* |
| 17:17.46 | quantic | MadHatter42: you do realize that security fixes get backported, right? |
| 17:18.02 | MadHatter42 | i'm not sure i understand what are you saying |
| 17:18.19 | quantic | MadHatter42: then you don't need openssh 7. :) |
| 17:18.28 | MadHatter42 | please elaborate |
| 17:18.38 | jelly | MadHatter42: debian fixes all security issues in versions of packages that are available in stable release. |
| 17:18.51 | quantic | MadHatter42: security fixes pushed in newer versions upstream get backported to the current stable versions and pushed as security updates to the current version. |
| 17:18.53 | computing-land | once a security breach is found, the fix is backported to the stable version |
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| 17:19.28 | quantic | MadHatter42: so openssh-server 6.7 is actually 6.7+lots of patches from later versions as needed. |
| 17:19.32 | jelly | MadHatter42: if you need proof, enumerate each specific issue you need fixed, with its CVE number, and look it up on |
| 17:19.35 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 17:19.36 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 17:21.41 | MadHatter42 | thnx jelly |
| 17:21.44 | MadHatter42 | thnx quantic |
| 17:21.52 | quantic | MadHatter42: Given Debian's long release cycle time, you didn't think we'd just sit around with vulnerable systems, did you? ;) |
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| 17:22.27 | MadHatter42 | quantic, well i use debian in an enterprise environment and retina says its vulnerable |
| 17:22.36 | MadHatter42 | and i dont have the time to manual test everything |
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| 17:22.52 | quantic | MadHatter42: Retina just does stupid version checks, and nothing else. |
| 17:22.55 | abrotman | debsecan |
| 17:22.55 | MadHatter42 | as the "only solution" according to the cve and retina is to "upgrade to version 7 " |
| 17:22.55 | teraflops | MadHatter42: that's the point of using debian stable, http://security.debian.org/ <3 |
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| 17:23.12 | quantic | MadHatter42: And Nessus says that TCP timestamps are a vulnerability, too. :P |
| 17:23.20 | MadHatter42 | XD |
| 17:23.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell MadHatter42 about debsecan |
| 17:23.32 | jelly | Nessus has shitloads of false positives by default |
| 17:23.36 | MadHatter42 | yes, nessus consider it low XD |
| 17:23.44 | MadHatter42 | yupp, got tired of it |
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| 17:23.52 | MadHatter42 | damn nessus |
| 17:23.58 | Spec | I thought nessus categoriezed those things as "informational" |
| 17:23.59 | quantic | openvas 4 life |
| 17:24.05 | MadHatter42 | nothing centralized |
| 17:24.06 | abrotman | Nessus gives an absurd number of inaccurate results |
| 17:24.11 | quantic | Spec: no, it actually categorizes it as, uh, low or medium, iirc |
| 17:24.14 | ewew | Found a strange bug. If the lightdm does not start at boot then reboot, shutdown is not available. |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | ewew: use reportbug, check the BTS first |
| 17:24.33 | teraflops | as rkhunter does :P |
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| 17:55.13 | Ivoah | Is it possible to use WiFi in the debian installer? |
| 17:56.07 | greycat | At the minimum you would need either (a) a WiFi device that's supported by the free drivers, or (b) an installer with the non-free wireless firmware packages added |
| 17:56.08 | millican | You may need to be able to provide the driver. |
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| 17:58.52 | somiaj | Ivoah: there is a (c) Have theh firmware for the wifi card you need on another usb stick or some other medium and the install supports using firmware from a thrid soruce during the install. I think this method is the most picky of where you put the firmware file that just using the firmware installer is easier. |
| 17:59.16 | somiaj | This is of course described in the install guide |
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| 17:59.31 | Ivoah | I'm just using a super long ethernet cable |
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| 18:00.51 | greycat | dpkg firmware images |
| 18:00.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 18:00.54 | davidfurman | How to prevent upgrading package? I have installed skype which always require libasound2-plugins:i386 after upgrade, but this package with amd64 architecture also required by mpd, mpv and other apps. Skype works fine without him, so is here a way to ignore this dependency? |
| 18:01.03 | x86_64 | people still use cables? |
| 18:01.03 | greycat | davidfurman: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:01.05 | x86_64 | ugh |
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| 18:01.15 | mi11k1 | im having problems figuring out pinning, can somebody tell me how to only update packages that are already installed? like its wheezt and i want jessie reps |
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| 18:01.40 | mi11k1 | just the preferences file i cant get properly |
| 18:01.42 | greycat | Don't mix distributions. |
| 18:02.01 | greycat | If you're on wheezy (if you have wheezy's libc6 and other core packages), use backports instead. |
| 18:02.05 | davidfurman | greycat: it doesn't work, man. Anyway I got this error for hold package: skype:i386 : Depends: libasound2-plugins:i386 but it is not installed |
| 18:02.16 | greycat | So install that. |
| 18:02.36 | mi11k1 | skype is a pain sometimes |
| 18:02.53 | davidfurman | greycat: I can't because libasound2-plugins:amd64 required by mpd and mpv. And they (i386 and amd64 versions) conflicted. |
| 18:02.59 | davidfurman | mi11k1: agree. |
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| 18:03.06 | millican | x86_64: I know that in the campus dorms where I work, there are so many devices on wifi, cable is the only way to go. |
| 18:03.10 | teraflops | skype is just rubbish |
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| 18:03.35 | mi11k1 | i installed mint the other for my gramps and it was in their repo |
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| 18:04.19 | mi11k1 | davidfurman: do you use deb multimedia repo? |
| 18:04.32 | millican | Do you need to add the i386 architecture? |
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| 18:04.55 | millican | Of course, you would have done that on installing skype if needed. Nevermind. |
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| 18:04.59 | davidfurman | mi11k1: yes |
| 18:05.06 | teraflops | skype uses pulse now so I do not understand that libasound2-plugins |
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| 18:05.30 | mi11k1 | i never checked for a source package for skype |
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| 18:06.17 | somiaj | there isn't a sorce package for skype, it is closed source. |
| 18:06.39 | somiaj | there is a workaround for skype to use alsa out there that mimics enough of pulse to pass skype back to alsa. |
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| 18:09.48 | mi11k1 | isnt there another client that will work for skype? |
| 18:10.35 | somiaj | not for skype. There are other voip and video chat programs, but not that support skype. Skype is closed source. |
| 18:10.45 | somiaj | (and done'st allow third party to use its protocol) |
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| 18:17.55 | rawtaz | hi. how come the iso files you can download from https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst arent on https? |
| 18:18.15 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 18:18.23 | rawtaz | would be great if the hashes of those files were listed on this page as well |
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| 18:19.05 | quantic | rawtaz: why would they be? not like iso files are confidential. |
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| 18:20.15 | quantic | rawtaz: and you can easily go to the containing directory to find all of the hashes. |
| 18:20.16 | greycat | The only sensible explanation I've ever heard for why people WANT things on https is that some people have inexplicably shitty broken ISPs and https works around that. Somehow that I don't understand. |
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| 18:20.55 | greycat | Otherwise it seems to be nonsensical. Why would you ever want it to be on un-cacheable https when it could be on cacheable http instead? |
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| 18:21.38 | rawtaz | quantic: if one has to go to the containing directory to obtain the hash then what's the point of linking directly to the iso file? if you download something over http presumably you want to verify that the has is what it should be |
| 18:22.01 | rawtaz | greycat: because i want to know that im talking to the right server? |
| 18:22.12 | quantic | rawtaz: well, for one, the installer installs packages. any package has a signature that gets verified during install. you'll know if your download was bad. |
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| 18:22.30 | quantic | rawtaz: let alone the fact that you're using a netinstaller, where you can TELL it what mirror to use. |
| 18:22.33 | rawtaz | yes, when the damage might already have been done |
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| 18:22.47 | rawtaz | quantic: yes, but i have to get the netinstaller first |
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| 18:24.03 | quantic | rawtaz: and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that every. mirror. ever. for any distro has the hashes in the same directory as the isos. Debian's no different. |
| 18:25.15 | jesperj | how often is acceptable to run "apt-get update" in a cron? once an hour ok? |
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| 18:25.58 | rawtaz | quantic: i never said you are wrong on that part. but if the download page links directly to a file then presumably that is so that the user doesnt have to go browse the directory, right? and in that case it would seem sensible to also provide the hashes with the direct link. |
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| 18:26.08 | rawtaz | quantic: otherwise you cant verify the download |
| 18:26.26 | mutante | jesperj: i guess hourly sounds reasonable |
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| 18:27.02 | rawtaz | regardless, the point is that as long as this is all on http one cannot be sure to talk to the right server in the first place. so at the very least there should be hashes available on some https site served by debian servers |
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| 18:27.11 | rawtaz | so that one can verify the download one got over http |
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| 18:53.27 | AvatarA | reset |
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| 18:56.02 | linuxthefish | hi, why can't i login to root through the console on a new debian install? |
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| 18:56.20 | linuxthefish | i've reset the password in single user mode but still not luck |
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| 18:57.19 | greycat | Does that password work with su? |
| 18:57.40 | CapsAdmin | i have a gtx980 and i installed debian 8.2, switched to sid and tried to install the nvidia-driver package but the nvidia settings panel complains about xorg not being setup, but if i do that i get a blinking cursor until i remove the xorg.conf file again |
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| 18:57.53 | CapsAdmin | and glxinfo complains about displays not found or something |
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| 18:59.09 | linuxthefish | greycat i was silly and did password -l for my non root user, as i normally only access the PC through SSH :( |
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| 18:59.21 | linuxthefish | i can boot in single user mode but it's a read only filesystem! |
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| 19:00.06 | AvatarA | mount -o remount,rw if I remember right |
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| 19:01.27 | linuxthefish | ah yeah thanks AvatarA! i can set a password now so all solved :p |
| 19:01.31 | mutante | linuxthefish: you could boot from a live cd and write to the /etc/passwd on disk from there |
| 19:01.39 | mutante | ok |
| 19:02.10 | linuxthefish | yey for out of band management! |
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| 19:10.41 | percY- | Can anyone confirm if i am doing this right? http://puu.sh/lft1h/c6476c9eec.png |
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| 19:14.29 | somiaj | percY-: your NON-FREE sources at the bottom also include main. So you do not need the first two lines. |
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| 19:14.53 | percY- | is there a benefit to adding contrib non-free to security updates as well? |
| 19:15.01 | somiaj | percY-: if you are going to use contrib and non-free software, you should also include 'contrib and non-free' in your secuirty sources so you get security updates. Maybe also include them in your jessie-updates repo. |
| 19:15.15 | somiaj | percY-: I do not know if the virtualbox source is correct, you will have to ask them. |
| 19:15.28 | percY- | not talking about virtual box |
| 19:15.40 | somiaj | also it is suggested that you use httpredir.debian.org over ftp.us.debian.org as your mirror |
| 19:15.43 | percY- | just walking about the ftp / security and updates section |
| 19:15.44 | somiaj | !hhpredir |
| 19:15.47 | somiaj | !httpredir |
| 19:15.54 | somiaj | !http.debian.net |
| 19:15.54 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
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| 19:16.18 | percY- | ahh okay |
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| 19:39.57 | WangDang | Can anyone suggest why the shutdown command would stop working after a dist-upgrade to stretch from jessie? |
| 19:40.49 | mutante | WangDang: what does it do when you try? |
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| 19:42.35 | WangDang | mutante: "shutdown -r 0" prints two times the message "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory" then returns to the command prompt |
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| 19:44.55 | mutante | WangDang: i'm also on stretch, and can't confirm. it works for me |
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| 19:45.28 | mutante | WangDang: seems like a general problem with the message bus.. something crashed |
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| 19:46.11 | mutante | WangDang: how about "reboot" instead |
| 19:46.17 | WangDang | mutante: it _has_ worked for me too, a few weeks ago, but for about the last week, this is what happens after the dist-upgrade |
| 19:47.00 | mutante | it's odd. sorry i dont have a solution. can only confirm i dont have the issue on the same distro version |
| 19:47.19 | WangDang | mutante: What arch are you on? |
| 19:47.43 | mutante | WangDang: i686 |
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| 19:48.09 | WangDang | This is happening on arm |
| 19:48.35 | WangDang | which I'm new to |
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| 19:49.13 | Ivoah | What happens if you deselect "Debian desktop environment" but selecte MATE or something in the installer? |
| 19:50.09 | WangDang | mutante: when was the last time you tried to dist-upgrade to stretch? |
| 19:50.23 | quantic | Ivoah: I would imagine dependencies kick in and install the stuff anyway. Might be missing some things that aren't deps, though. |
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| 19:51.01 | Ivoah | k |
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| 19:56.02 | WangDang | wonders if mutante noticed his question a few minutes ago... |
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| 20:00.36 | TheWarden | Hello, does anyone know of a good resource that full explains the process of debootstrap/chroot? |
| 20:00.56 | beepie | !debootstrap |
| 20:00.56 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 20:01.43 | beepie | TheWarden, ^ |
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| 20:02.14 | TheWarden | beepie: thanks. I read the first link but never found the second one. Trying to do this for Raspbian but haven't figured it all out. |
| 20:02.47 | jhutchins | WangDang: I've seen another report on that but can't suggest any cause or correction. |
| 20:03.08 | beepie | TheWarden, usually it's just an image to clone for raspberrypi systems, though i'm not sure if #debian is the right place for raspbian |
| 20:03.23 | jhutchins | WangDang: Probably need to look into the docs on how systemd handles the shutdown command, as it used to be part of init. |
| 20:03.35 | jhutchins | !raspian |
| 20:03.35 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 20:03.52 | beepie | there's a #raspbian channel here on freenode |
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| 20:04.31 | TheWarden | beepie: well it follows the same thing since its Debian based. Yes most use the image, however I want to build a minimal OS and then put it to an image to be used over and over again. |
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| 20:06.09 | beepie | TheWarden, an image is bootable after you setup the boot code, in rpi case it is bios grub-pc... though it won't be exactly like you see in any of debian's documentaiton because the procedure is very different with burning some bootcode in rpi's firmware |
| 20:06.23 | beepie | TheWarden, that's why you wont' find this on the debian docs |
| 20:06.39 | beepie | TheWarden, debootstrap may be similar but not for fixing the bootcode |
| 20:06.58 | TheWarden | beepie: oh yes I realize that. just trying to get an understand of debootstrap/chroot and its process normally. |
| 20:07.12 | TheWarden | beepie: thanks |
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| 20:07.53 | WangDang | jhutchins: thanks for the suggestion |
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| 20:10.00 | pkkm | hi, do I need acpi-support or acpi-support-base if I use systemd? |
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| 20:13.12 | WangDang | jhutchins: do you remember where you heard the other report of dist-upgrading to stretch breaking the shutdown command? |
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| 20:19.32 | jhutchins | Here. |
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| 20:25.09 | ComputingLand | There. |
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| 20:29.38 | WangDang | jhutchins: within the last 7-10 days? |
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| 20:37.52 | stakewinner00_ | when you install some service, it enables automatically. There is some way to change that to start manually? |
| 20:38.11 | linuxd | I havethis same problem: http://blog.alexanderkoch.net/2015/bleeding-edge-for-stability.html ,Is that a kind of bug? |
| 20:39.05 | jhutchins | WangDang: Probably. |
| 20:39.22 | greycat | stakewinner00_: in Jessie, you can disable the service (systemctl disable service.name) so it won't start at boot any more. |
| 20:39.58 | stakewinner00_ | greycat, if i don't want it to start in the first place? |
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| 20:41.41 | jhutchins | WangDang: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-halt.service.html |
| 20:43.13 | WangDang | jhutchins: Thanks dude |
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| 20:43.22 | jhutchins | WangDang: So it looks like you need to try systemctl halt and see if that works. |
| 20:44.04 | WangDang | gimme a sec to catch up to you :) |
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| 20:49.18 | WangDang | jhutchins: where do you see the "systemctl halt" suggestion? I don't see it in the doc you pointed out |
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| 20:56.33 | linuxd | kernel:[87532.623694] [Hardware Error]: Corrected error, no action required. |
| 20:56.58 | ewew | linuxd How offten this message appears ? |
| 20:57.06 | WangDang | jhutchins: I guess the better question is how did you arrive at the conclusion that I should try "systemctl halt"? I'm afraid to shutdown before fixing the bus problem. |
| 20:57.07 | jiggawattz | hm |
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| 20:58.21 | linuxd | ewew: every hour or two |
| 20:58.46 | ewew | linuxd Any detail on what subsytem is affected ? |
| 20:58.50 | socomm | linuxd: So instead of asking a question you link to someones web page, and expect people to help you? |
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| 21:00.22 | linuxd | I think it's related to AMD processors only |
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| 21:00.48 | ewew | linuxd No. Before the message. Post the content of dmesg to pastebin. |
| 21:00.57 | crush26 | can someone please tell me if there is a better way of doing...http://paste.pound-python.org/show/kUqh9cVyYcb8WiwELneF/ |
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| 21:02.49 | beepie | crush26, you can always get a mellanox x2 card pair and just mount everything like a local folder XD |
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| 21:03.05 | beepie | crush26, that's what i did |
| 21:03.23 | beepie | crush26, (i use mellanox)-- you're trying to encode externally but want to edit locally? |
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| 21:03.40 | majest1c | Why does it in my log files say "09/Nov/2015:16:02:11" when on "date" in the terminal says the correct time? How do I fix this? |
| 21:04.00 | greycat | majest1c: probably localtime vs. UTC |
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| 21:04.16 | majest1c | greycat How do I fix that then? |
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| 21:04.24 | greycat | majest1c: what does cat /etc/timezone say? |
| 21:04.44 | majest1c | America/New York, how to change that |
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| 21:05.10 | greycat | majest1c: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 21:06.09 | linuxd | ewew: dmesg is overwritten.Could I paste syslog instead? |
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| 21:07.40 | greycat | linuxd: it might be in /var/log/kern.log* |
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| 21:07.55 | paxcoder | I have /home mounted on a separate device (/dev/sda3). Nautilus reports the directory to contain 154.4GB, with 6.6GB free. Meanwhile GParted reports the drive to contain 270.05GB, and 19.63 free. I'm pretty sure nautilus is correct wrt the space taken up (and Baobab agrees). So how is it possible then that there is 100+GB of free space considered occupied (I've ran fsck from removable media)? |
| 21:07.58 | majest1c | greycat thanks I changed that now but when I check in my logfile again it still thinks its 16 when the time here is 22 |
| 21:08.25 | greycat | majest1c: you might have to restart daemons to make them pick up the new time zone |
| 21:08.33 | greycat | majest1c: probably simplest just to reboot |
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| 21:09.21 | majest1c | damn I dont want to reboot the server ^^ |
| 21:09.29 | ewew | linuxd check /var/log/dmesg.* |
| 21:09.39 | greycat | majest1c: ok, then you can restart daemons one by one |
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| 21:10.14 | linuxd | ewew: it's ovwrwritten by DVB message |
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| 21:10.45 | linuxd | ewew:Could I paste syslog instead? |
| 21:10.45 | paxcoder | TL;DR: 270+GB partition reads as a ~160GB one by file managers. What could be the reason? |
| 21:10.49 | ewew | linuxd post the syslog. |
| 21:11.10 | ewew | linuxd But i can not guarante it will help. |
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| 21:12.06 | majest1c | greycat What does the "+" and "-" stand for when I type "service --status-all" ? |
| 21:12.20 | simonlnu | hi folks. got a question about systemd. how can we turn off those system log messages talking about that mailing list and other stuff? |
| 21:12.30 | greycat | majest1c: man 8 service |
| 21:12.47 | mtn | paxcoder, what does lsblk say about the partition? |
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| 21:13.12 | paxcoder | mtn: 270GB size |
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| 21:14.16 | mtn | paxcoder, what file system? |
| 21:14.22 | paxcoder | ext4 |
| 21:14.26 | simonlnu | the only thing i can think of is turning down the log level, but i think i'll just lose kernel messages instead. |
| 21:14.44 | mtn | paxcoder, that is strange. tried other file managers? |
| 21:14.59 | paxcoder | mtn: I tried baobab, it agreed with nautilus. |
| 21:15.30 | paxcoder | wrt taken up space anyway, i guess |
| 21:15.47 | simonlnu | example: http://paste.debian.net/330320/ |
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| 21:16.47 | paxcoder | mtn: so basically, the 100G does not show up as file(s). |
| 21:16.50 | simonlnu | I just want to see the "$hostname systemd[1] $message", not everything else, like you'd see at boot |
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| 21:16.58 | mtn | paxcoder, odd, no idea |
| 21:17.20 | paxcoder | greycat: you haven't run into anything like this? |
| 21:17.34 | greycat | I haven't been following the channel. I don't know what the issue is. |
| 21:18.06 | paxcoder | greycat: 100GB unaccounted for in the file manager, showing up as occupied in the drive manager. |
| 21:18.17 | greycat | I don't know what "drive manager" and "file manager" are. |
| 21:18.25 | greycat | Is it an unlinked but still open log file? |
| 21:18.37 | paxcoder | greycat: i've rebooted since, and fscked the drive |
| 21:18.44 | greycat | Is it a partition whose size was increased, but the file system size is still smaller? |
| 21:18.58 | paxcoder | file manager = nautilus (+ baobab), drive manager = GParted |
| 21:19.17 | greycat | What does df say about it? |
| 21:19.31 | paxcoder | greycat: i have resized the partition before, but i've had no problems so far |
| 21:19.38 | greycat | Did you also resize the file system? |
| 21:19.58 | paxcoder | *shrugs* i stretched the little box in gparted |
| 21:20.36 | greycat | paxcoder: man resize2fs |
| 21:20.44 | paxcoder | greycat: df says 266G |
| 21:21.45 | paxcoder | greycat: shall we "do it live"? |
| 21:21.48 | greycat | So df is giving the correct answer and your "file manager" is not? |
| 21:22.10 | paxcoder | yes |
| 21:22.31 | greycat | I don't know how to fix your file manager, then. Other than not using it. |
| 21:23.12 | paxcoder | greycat: gparted reports the 100 missing GB as occupied, i'm running out of space |
| 21:23.38 | greycat | Pastebin the full output of 'parted -l' and 'df' |
| 21:25.48 | Brigo | paxcoder, baobab as root or as user? |
| 21:26.56 | paxcoder | Brigo: both i think |
| 21:27.21 | paxcoder | greycat: df -h for your convenience: http://paste.debian.net/330322/ |
| 21:27.31 | Brigo | paxcoder, root has 5% space reserved so as user you can miss some space. |
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| 21:27.54 | paxcoder | Brigo: on /home? |
| 21:28.13 | Brigo | paxcoder, on all filesystems. |
| 21:28.22 | frostschutz | fix the full / first |
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| 21:28.44 | paxcoder | Brigo: care to explain? |
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| 21:29.05 | greycat | paxcoder: I see no problems there. The partition is 290GB according to parted, and the file system is 266GB according to df. It's also full of data. Maybe you should be doing some du commands to find out where the big files are. |
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| 21:29.34 | Brigo | paxcoder, 5% of all filesystems are reserver for root, only root can write 100% of the space. Other user can write only 95% of the space. |
| 21:29.49 | greycat | That 5% is configurable, but yeah, there is a reserved portion. |
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| 21:30.00 | paxcoder | greycat: baobab is for finding big files. There's no 100GB file. |
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| 21:30.09 | greycat | I didn't say it would be one file. |
| 21:30.10 | paxcoder | The dir reads as 160G |
| 21:30.19 | paxcoder | greycat: or bunch of small ones |
| 21:30.29 | greycat | cd /home ; du -sh * ; etc. |
| 21:30.46 | frostschutz | paxcoder, I don't know baobab, but xdiskusage works fine for me. you should bind-mount (in the / case; mkdir /mnt/root; mount --bind / /mnt/root; xdiskusage /mnt/root/) |
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| 21:31.22 | greycat | If you don't find the 100 GB of "missing space" as files, then there are probably opened-but-unlinked files. |
| 21:31.25 | frostschutz | paxcoder, if you've deleted files recently, it could be a running process is still using it, so the space will not be freed until the process closes the file or exits altogether |
| 21:31.51 | paxcoder | frostschutz: i've rebooted and fsck'd |
| 21:32.05 | linuxd | ewew: HERE IS KERNEL.LOG: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13211228/ |
| 21:32.05 | paxcoder | greycat: ^ |
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| 21:32.27 | greycat | paxcoder: well, do the du -sh * commands or something to find where the space has gone |
| 21:32.31 | paxcoder | greycat: frostschutz: besides, wouldn't explain the system being read as 166GB only |
| 21:32.41 | greycat | I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOUR "FILE MANAGER" IS DOING |
| 21:32.51 | greycat | I trust df. I don't trust this other crap. |
| 21:32.53 | paxcoder | greycat: baobab too |
| 21:32.59 | paxcoder | baobab is a visual du |
| 21:33.02 | winem_ | good evening. I have had a discussion with a colleague without any result so far.. So I would like to ask you for an advice. would you install or do you tolerate tools like gdb on production machines? |
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| 21:33.57 | paxcoder | greycat: du seems to agree with baobab&nautilus |
| 21:34.01 | frostschutz | winem_, would you tolerate tools like rm on one? |
| 21:34.19 | winem_ | of course |
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| 21:34.29 | frostschutz | winem_, where's the difference? |
| 21:34.33 | greycat | paxcoder: then the space was used up *after* your last reboot. |
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| 21:34.37 | linuxd | ewew:debian paste zone wouldn't paste more than 150 KB |
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| 21:35.54 | crush26 | beepie: Actually, I was referring to the way I am stuffing the commands into my screen session. Sorry, I should have been more specific |
| 21:35.58 | paxcoder | greycat: you mean again? |
| 21:35.59 | the_weanus | winem_: if you aren't following software development best-practice, perhaps you would need a tool like that in prod. no dev/test/qa/uat platforms? |
| 21:35.59 | winem_ | he had some concerns because it may be a security issue. |
| 21:36.02 | pad7474 | Linux version 3.14.4.1-bone-armhf.com (buildd@build7) (gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) ) #1 SMP Tue Jun 3 12:37:22 UTC 2014 |
| 21:36.14 | pad7474 | hi |
| 21:36.17 | winem_ | well, dev, test and preproduction exists |
| 21:36.30 | greycat | pad7474: we don't support Ubuntu here. Try #ubuntu |
| 21:36.57 | pad7474 | does anyone know if I can upgrade my debian |
| 21:37.22 | teclo- | pad7474: no, go to #ubuntu |
| 21:37.31 | the_weanus | winem_: I had a similar convesation re: valgrind. not a sec issue, just a performance issue. |
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| 21:37.52 | pad7474 | I know it says ubuntu but it is in fact debian on a beaglebone black C |
| 21:38.07 | frostschutz | winem_, so... if you have a stuck process on your production machine, you ... simply say no care what just reboot? hope the core dump it may not even make will tell you enough? or what? I don't get it. It's all up to you to do crap with it or not. You get hacked, they can upload their own gdb if they want to... |
| 21:38.25 | greycat | pad7474: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 21:39.26 | pad7474 | it says 7.9 |
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| 21:39.37 | greycat | pad7474: /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 21:39.38 | linuxd | ewew: here is /var/log/kernelog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13211228/ |
| 21:40.07 | linuxd | ewew: here is /var/log/kerne.log* |
| 21:40.13 | winem_ | ok frostschutz. a reboot could fix the failure but it's worthless until you have no idea about the cause - I agree |
| 21:40.44 | somiaj | pad7474: It will be hard for us to give you good advise because the kernel you are running is not from debian and so either you are not running debian or you have some mix between an image you started with and what you are running. Why are you running a ubuntu kernel on a wheezy system? Can you paste the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net? |
| 21:40.57 | winem_ | ok, we'll keep gdb and gdbserver installed. thanks guys. |
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| 21:41.33 | ewew | linuxd What temperature does the cpu have ? |
| 21:41.58 | linuxd | no more than 60 c |
| 21:42.09 | greycat | somiaj: it could be a Debian VPS on an Ubuntu host. |
| 21:42.37 | ewew | linuxd so far it looks like L1 has some trouble, but ECC still can correct it. |
| 21:42.38 | greycat | greg@remote:~$ cat /etc/debian_version; uname -a |
| 21:42.39 | greycat | 7.9 |
| 21:42.39 | greycat | Linux remote 2.6.32-042stab090.5 #1 SMP Sat Jun 21 00:15:09 MSK 2014 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:43.09 | greycat | I'm leaving that one on wheezy... |
| 21:43.25 | pad7474 | Thank -you ! This makes some sense because I tried ubuntu before debian when I set up the Drive |
| 21:43.43 | linuxd | ewew: I use cpu water cooling thermaltake water 3.0 |
| 21:43.43 | greycat | ...? |
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| 21:44.29 | greycat | pad7474: if this isn't a VPS or other virtualized system, then you have something very weird. |
| 21:45.31 | pad7474 | works well ! |
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| 21:46.12 | linuxd | ewew: I dual boot pcbsd-10.2 and never faced this hardware error |
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| 21:46.48 | ewew | linuxd Is this a desktop or notebook ? |
| 21:47.27 | linuxd | I guess it's a debian issue with AMD processors as suggested by the pasted link |
| 21:47.31 | abrotman | linuxd: check for a BIOS update |
| 21:48.09 | linuxd | ewew:it's a desktop |
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| 21:49.27 | ewew | linuxd Does this error affect the computer ? |
| 21:49.46 | paxcoder | grey I've summed lsof's REGs on /home, does not account for 100G it's 1G total. |
| 21:50.16 | linuxd | not as far as it seems |
| 21:50.33 | linuxd | abrotman: ok,thanx |
| 21:50.59 | ewew | linuxd Can tell for sure what is this causing. Maybe its a random error and maybe not. |
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| 21:52.05 | paxcoder | Brigo: frostschutz ^ |
| 21:52.06 | pad7474 | apt-cache policy has debian written all over it |
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| 21:54.01 | paxcoder | :/ |
| 21:54.06 | radikal | o/ |
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| 21:54.36 | majest1c | Are the only way to keep track on what Ip-addresses that enters my website to check the apache access.log file? |
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| 21:56.14 | pad7474 | thanks ! |
| 21:56.33 | paxcoder | majest1c: Every request has an ip address on it. Whatever receives the request can log it. Apache may forward the request to CGI programs and scripts running thereupon. |
| 21:56.43 | paxcoder | pad7474: wut |
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| 21:59.36 | paxcoder | where have all the gigabytes gone? |
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| 22:09.22 | jhutchins | majest1c: Yes, or use a log analyser to report it. awstats, awfful, etc. |
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| 23:26.48 | loloshe | heey |
| 23:26.52 | loloshe | bunsen labs? |
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| 23:29.35 | loloshe | anybody know abt chromium flash plugin? |
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| 23:30.48 | MeanEYE | loloshe, am not entirely sure such thing exists. Chrome changed plugin API a while back and Flash for Linux is not being developed. |
| 23:31.07 | MeanEYE | But you can try installing flash-installer package. |
| 23:31.10 | loloshe | that seems silly |
| 23:31.26 | MeanEYE | Oh, there's no such package anymore. o_0 |
| 23:31.28 | somiaj | loloshe: you can get it from debian contrib, there is a script to take the peperflash plugin from chrome and use it in chromium |
| 23:31.29 | MeanEYE | Sorry for misinformation. |
| 23:31.37 | loloshe | all cool |
| 23:31.47 | somiaj | loloshe: apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree if you have contrib repos installed |
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| 23:31.50 | loloshe | how to i get to this? i'm not very saavy |
| 23:32.03 | loloshe | well let's see~.~. |
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| 23:32.47 | loloshe | no dice. don't really know about contrib repos |
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| 23:35.15 | somiaj | !contrib |
| 23:35.15 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 23:35.31 | somiaj | loloshe: you will have to modify your sources.list and append 'contrib' to the end of your debian repo lines |
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| 23:35.40 | loloshe | aaahh i c |
| 23:35.54 | loloshe | i just did something like this getting some jessie-backports for some foto software |
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| 23:38.49 | joshumax | Anyone know what's going on with Debian Live ending? |
| 23:39.20 | joshumax | I missed most of what was going on in the mailing list... |
| 23:41.28 | nkuttler | joshumax: ending? |
| 23:41.57 | joshumax | nkuttler: "An abrupt End to Debian Liveâ" |
| 23:42.15 | joshumax | live.debian.org also disappeared |
| 23:42.37 | joshumax | oh wait |
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| 23:42.42 | joshumax | it's back up now |
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| 23:43.51 | joshumax | But there still seems to be a lot of arguing back and forth on the list... what started this in the first place? |
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| 23:46.37 | nkuttler | joshumax: sounds like a lot of drama, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804315 |
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| 23:49.53 | AndrewMock | Should I run jessie as Generation 1 or 2 on Hyper-V? |
| 23:50.15 | AndrewMock | I understand I'd have to disable Secure Boot on Gen 2 |
| 23:50.26 | DJ_Bitcon | is it possible to install hexchat on wheezy? |
| 23:50.31 | DJ_Bitcon | from repos |
| 23:50.44 | quantic | AndrewMock: I run all of my VMs as Gen 2 unless there's a reason I can't. |
| 23:51.08 | AndrewMock | quantic: thx |
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| 23:51.34 | joshumax | Ehhh, too much drama for my taste |
| 23:53.33 | joshumax | So, on another topic... I currently have a desktop workstation on testing, and I've been using it like that for a couple months, but now I want to move up to unstable. I've never done something like this before but rather upgraded directly from stable->testing->sid after a clean install. Are there any "gotchas" I should be worried about when doing this? |
| 23:54.16 | joshumax | I haven't installed too many additional packages, but I'm still a bit worried |
| 23:54.22 | quantic | joshumax: I feel obligated to question why. |
| 23:54.24 | zykotick9 | joshumax: you _might_ want to consult those in #debian-next on oftc... but ymmv. |
| 23:54.45 | joshumax | quantic: I got bored of testing again ;) |
| 23:54.54 | quantic | joshumax: have fun with that. |
| 23:55.17 | bazhang | thats not an upgrade |
| 23:55.44 | zykotick9 | bazhang: +1, but in consider anything other then stable a downgrade ;) |
| 23:55.44 | joshumax | bazhang: What is it exactly then? |
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| 23:55.56 | zykotick9 | s/but in/but i/ |
| 23:55.56 | joshumax | Ah, I see what you mean... |
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| 23:56.20 | bazhang | its a suicide note for your system |
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| 23:57.12 | joshumax | bazhang: I dunno so far my high score for keeping a system alive with unstable is 4 years |
| 23:57.33 | joshumax | Although sleep was more expendable back then :P |
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| 23:59.14 | joshumax | I should really switch my production webserver to sid as well |
