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| 00:02.17 | PadawanLearner | PoorSysAdmin10: well you can go for a used box, bet you can get pretty good deals on the web |
| 00:02.27 | PadawanLearner | add some form of flash drive |
| 00:02.31 | PadawanLearner | unbeatable |
| 00:02.38 | PadawanLearner | or maybe an old laptop |
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| 00:03.08 | PoorSysAdmin10 | PadawanLearner: oh, well that's for sure, the only problem is to put a nice big case on my parents desk xD |
| 00:03.17 | PadawanLearner | i had a friend that bought a couple of laptops for 25 euros a piece |
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| 00:03.34 | PoorSysAdmin10 | PadawanLearner: a micro-itx could be nicer ^^' |
| 00:03.53 | PoorSysAdmin10 | PadawanLearner: true that :) |
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| 00:11.01 | Lady_Aleena | Hello, can I ask someone, anyone, to go to http://fantasy.xecu.net/Movies/Crossovers/Westphall_crossovers.pl and tell me if the over 1MB image loads at the top of the page? |
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| 00:12.01 | Lady_Aleena | It won't load on my system from that address, but it will load from localhost on this computer and from that address on other Windows computers. I can't figure out why it won't load for me from the web. |
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| 00:12.32 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: I_Love_Lucy.png loads |
| 00:12.55 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: if you use chrome, look at the network tab with ctrl+shift+j |
| 00:12.57 | Lady_Aleena | jordanm, thank you, so it is something other than my OS. |
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| 00:13.11 | Lady_Aleena | jordanm, I use Iceweasel. |
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| 00:13.26 | jordanm | iceweasel has something similar, but i don't know the hotkey for it |
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| 00:14.19 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: ctrl+shift+q, that might be part of the firebug extension though |
| 00:14.42 | Lady_Aleena | jordanm, Thank you so very much for doing this for me, much appreciated. It looks like I needed to shut down Iceweasel and reload it. (The last thing I thought to try.) |
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| 00:14.56 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: np |
| 00:15.13 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry you had to download such a large (and probably boring) image. |
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| 00:16.17 | AvatarA | ctrl+r magic key for Iceweasel |
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| 00:16.58 | Lady_Aleena | AvatarA, looks like it just reloaded the page, is that what it was supposed to do? |
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| 00:18.16 | Lady_Aleena | I was afraid for a quick moment the image had gotten too large and I'd have to chop it up, which would be a challenge. |
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| 00:18.55 | AvatarA | it reloads even what it already has cached |
| 00:19.12 | Lady_Aleena | AvatarA, so better than F5. |
| 00:19.14 | AvatarA | useful for such cases when your changes are not picked up by Iceweasel because it sticks to its cache |
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| 00:19.42 | Lady_Aleena | AvatarA, actually, it was showing up as an image broken link. |
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| 00:21.56 | AvatarA | I would have tried the direct URL to that image and ctrl+r on that |
| 00:22.43 | Lady_Aleena | AvatarA, well, closing and reopening Iceweasel fixed it too. :) |
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| 00:24.07 | Lady_Aleena | I'm off to go start on dinner, thanks people. |
| 00:25.20 | Gerowen | How could one go about ripping a commercial DVD to an ISO that is done in UDF format? I can rip most of my DVDs, but I want to make a backup of all of them to my 2 TB external so I can use the image to watch the movies, make extra copies if the original breaks, etc. Whenever I try to make a copy using Brasero it gets to 63% and stops with input/output error, and genisoimage reads the disc for a second and stops and creates an empty file. From what |
| 00:25.20 | Gerowen | I've read, the UDF format intentionally puts bad sectors on discs to thwart efforts to back up the discs. Is there a way around this? |
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| 00:28.32 | frostschutz | Gerowen, makemkv? |
| 00:29.15 | vamps | Gerowen: did you try something like handbrake to transcode the dvd ? |
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| 00:30.00 | Gerowen | Nah haven't tried that yet, I was planning on doing that with the image after I made it. |
| 00:30.03 | Gerowen | VLC will play the DVD just fine. |
| 00:30.15 | Gerowen | I just can't actually work with the files outside of a player. |
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| 00:31.22 | vamps | Gerowen: maybe because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss ? |
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| 00:33.02 | Gerowen | vamps: Have libdvdcss2 installed. I can read all my other encrypted DVDs, and have ripped a bunch of them to ISO files, just not the UDF ones. I can even open the folders and browse around, but when I try to copy them somewhere, I get a read error, with all of the UDF discs (I've got 3 or 4). |
| 00:33.05 | unborn | vamps, I used vlc to recode the dvds into mp4 and results was great.. handbreake gave me an headache a bit...however I was able to convert mkvs into mp4 in HD via terminal without issues.. |
| 00:33.40 | unborn | vamps, it was mentioned for Gerowen |
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| 00:34.18 | Gerowen | I was trying to see if there was an option for say genisoimage to tell it to skip read errors. I'd really like to get an ISO so that I can re-rip it to other formats later, make copies of the disc, etc. without having to dig out the disc. |
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| 00:35.31 | unborn | gerforce, ah iso.. is that what you are looking for? |
| 00:36.03 | unborn | gerforce, sorry it was mentioned to Gerowen |
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| 00:36.30 | Gerowen | unborn: I "think" I've got DD making a .img of it with the "conv=noerror" flag, we'll see what happens. |
| 00:36.52 | unborn | Gerowen, just stick dvd inside and use brasero to do iso for you :) btw you can play that iso as full dvd in vlc |
| 00:36.55 | vamps | Gerowen: that's what I was going to say |
| 00:37.10 | vamps | dd if=/dev/drive of=disk.img conv=sync,noerror |
| 00:37.21 | Gerowen | unborn: Brasero fails at 63% with a read error because it's UDF, intentional bad spots to thwart copying. |
| 00:38.13 | RageRiot | bit of an obvious question here, I'm trying to use modinfo to list the infomtation of kernel modules based on a text file |
| 00:38.18 | unborn | Gerowen, so use your favourite burning software to do the iso for you... brasero never failed for me (EH Im sorry to hear that) |
| 00:38.36 | RageRiot | so I have the file names in the text on each like somthing.ko |
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| 00:38.57 | RageRiot | what is the correct syntax to feed the list into modinfo ? |
| 00:39.22 | Gerowen | I'm gonna let dd finish whatever it can do, then see if I can mount the .img file since dd is skipping the errors, and see how that works, :-) |
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| 00:39.45 | PoorSysAdmin10 | oh |
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| 00:40.27 | PoorSysAdmin10 | Do you think is possible put debian here? http://www.amazon.com/Minix-X7-Streaming-Media-Player/dp/B00EIAR5CY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447202401&sr=8-1&keywords=MiniX+NEO+X7 |
| 00:40.54 | unborn | Gerowen, I use terminal to convert anything to mp4 ( my home server is based on web interface - meh I am not obsessed by codec or anything.. |
| 00:41.12 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, no. |
| 00:41.23 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, I did try.. |
| 00:41.28 | PoorSysAdmin10 | unborn: http://thomasheinz.net/install-debian-on-minix-neo-x7/ |
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| 00:42.13 | PoorSysAdmin10 | unborn: is not easy btw |
| 00:42.21 | PoorSysAdmin10 | i mean not easy to keep it updated |
| 00:42.51 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, thanks for sharing your resources - but its hard - anyway in end of the day it will not delivery what you want.. |
| 00:43.21 | PoorSysAdmin10 | unborn: yeah, I'm searching for something more like a normal computer but really small :( |
| 00:44.15 | vamps | PoorSysAdmin10: something like http://www.bananapi.org/p/product.html ? |
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| 00:44.22 | vamps | or more powerfull ? |
| 00:44.37 | PoorSysAdmin10 | vamps: like the banana but more all in one ^^ |
| 00:44.51 | PoorSysAdmin10 | ;O |
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| 00:44.54 | PadawanLearner | vamps: that looks like a winner, specifically the R1 |
| 00:44.55 | PoorSysAdmin10 | look this |
| 00:44.58 | PoorSysAdmin10 | http://www.amazon.com/CS918G-plus-Android-installed-Amlogic/dp/B00XKLPFKG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1447202662&sr=8-3&keywords=CS918 |
| 00:45.14 | PoorSysAdmin10 | 38 $ |
| 00:45.20 | PoorSysAdmin10 | if it could be modded would be nice |
| 00:45.33 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, I run vpn server with 700 users, plus 48 websites and samba share in local network on acer revo :) debian is happy to dealing with it :) no issues at all |
| 00:45.52 | PoorSysAdmin10 | acer revo? |
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| 00:46.11 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, yeah small device.. I have version 36xx |
| 00:46.16 | PoorSysAdmin10 | oh |
| 00:46.22 | PoorSysAdmin10 | yeah i saw it, is nice but |
| 00:46.26 | PadawanLearner | unborn: what kind of vpn? pptp? |
| 00:46.28 | unborn | but you can purchase i3 and higher |
| 00:46.29 | PoorSysAdmin10 | xD i'm targeting something cheap |
| 00:46.38 | unborn | pptp and openvpn |
| 00:46.43 | PadawanLearner | pretty cool |
| 00:46.49 | PoorSysAdmin10 | My ideal is 50-70$ |
| 00:46.56 | PadawanLearner | how many simultaneous tunnels on average? |
| 00:47.37 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, if you want something very cheap go for old laptop.. dual core min 1.7 and 3GiBs of ram.. and you are sorted |
| 00:47.55 | PoorSysAdmin10 | unborn: yeah sadly i need also a small size ^^' |
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| 00:48.35 | unborn | PadawanLearner, anything rams allows me to do.. but usually 70 simultaneous |
| 00:48.40 | PoorSysAdmin10 | banana pi seems the more possible |
| 00:48.43 | unborn | then it gets a bit slow :) |
| 00:48.46 | PadawanLearner | very nice :) |
| 00:49.25 | unborn | PadawanLearner, for such a device - yes its gorgeous |
| 00:49.53 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, its small like a book meh |
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| 00:50.05 | unborn | search for images PadawanLearner |
| 00:50.23 | unborn | ^^ PoorSysAdmin10 |
| 00:50.42 | PoorSysAdmin10 | ye :P i will do some more researches tomorrow |
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| 00:50.49 | PoorSysAdmin10 | i found today some mini atom ones |
| 00:50.51 | PoorSysAdmin10 | at 129⬠|
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| 00:51.00 | PadawanLearner | unborn: i have seen one of those, pretty slick |
| 00:51.00 | PoorSysAdmin10 | very nice but i lost the link |
| 00:51.19 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, my revo is atom based heh.. are you reading what I am telling you ? |
| 00:51.39 | PoorSysAdmin10 | unborn: yes, but how much it costs? |
| 00:51.53 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, about £90? |
| 00:52.05 | PoorSysAdmin10 | unborn: oh that's a price, i will check into it thanks |
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| 00:53.35 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, my website is running of the laptop I find next to rubbish bin.. it serves me 7 years now.. and it is working very well.. no display - hack it was smashed out by some kids |
| 00:53.49 | PoorSysAdmin10 | unborn: xD |
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| 00:53.58 | unborn | if you know what are you doing PoorSysAdmin10 then you can do it :) |
| 00:54.12 | PoorSysAdmin10 | unborn: oh, i know i know :D |
| 00:54.16 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, your server your resources your world |
| 00:54.40 | PoorSysAdmin10 | well thanks for the suggestions |
| 00:54.44 | PoorSysAdmin10 | i go byez! |
| 00:54.54 | unborn | PoorSysAdmin10, feel free to check it out :) |
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| 00:57.34 | unborn | PadawanLearner, I believe if that machine is used for vpn only - It could hand more out.. |
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| 00:58.54 | unborn | time to bed.. cya all. |
| 00:59.38 | PadawanLearner | unborn: cya |
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| 01:12.23 | oacy | hello everyone, I have two partitions on my HDD, and only one of them has an OS on it. the other is just an ext4 partition. yet testdisk shows them not separate, but as a whole disk, whereas I do not want to testdisk the whole drive. is there a solution to apply it only on one partition? |
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| 01:15.15 | jessequinn | hello |
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| 01:19.25 | Hello71 | oacy: that makes no sense. testdisk is a partition table heuristic detector and repair tool. |
| 01:19.55 | Hello71 | if you are using testdisk then your partition table is already shot. |
| 01:20.14 | nena | hello I need some help with configuring samba |
| 01:21.41 | oacy | Hello71, ??? |
| 01:22.08 | oacy | i have no problem with the partition table. I'd like to recover some deleted files |
| 01:22.37 | edju | Trying to install Wheezy on a Macbook, following wiki.debian.org/MacBook. It states that Debian must be installed in a primary partition, i.e., 1 - 4. After using diskutil to shrink the osx partition. I'm left with GUID as first in the list, followed by EFI, OSX and Recovery. How to install in a primary partition when they're already used up? |
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| 01:23.40 | Brigo | edju, why wheezy? |
| 01:24.45 | oacy | when I had two partitions on a flash drive, it used to show them both, if I am not mistaken. |
| 01:24.58 | LtL | pkill conky |
| 01:25.07 | LtL | sorry |
| 01:25.29 | Brigo | edju, anyway, GUID is not a partition. Efi is the first partition. |
| 01:25.44 | PadawanLearner | oacy: what is the output of fdisk -l /dev/sd? |
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| 01:27.15 | edju | Brigo, Well, I don't want to start the sysvinit vs. systemd discussion again. GUID is not a partition? Thanks! Takes care of that problem. |
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| 01:27.45 | oacy | PadawanLearner, it is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13221930 |
| 01:27.51 | Brigo | edju, who said anything about systemd? :D |
| 01:28.33 | Brigo | edju, ah about not jessie, i see. |
| 01:29.05 | Brigo | and you know you can get jessie without systemd but you don't care. Ok. |
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| 01:29.39 | Brigo | I have never used a mac, so i can't help you with the partitioning with the mac tools. |
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| 01:33.06 | edju | Brigo, No, I didn't know that. I know one can strip systemd and install sysvinit. |
| 01:35.31 | oacy | PadawanLearner, would you have any comment on my paste? just asking as I am preparing to leave |
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| 03:06.13 | duncannz | I have a vps running debian 7.9 wheezy, and the latest version of php5 is apparently 5.4.44. I want to use phpmyadmin which requires php5.5+. How can I update php to version 5.5? |
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| 03:07.03 | quantic | duncannz: where's your VPS running? |
| 03:07.41 | duncannz | quantic: linode |
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| 03:07.56 | quantic | duncannz: upgrade to jessie. |
| 03:08.28 | c|oneman | if its openvz he can't just 'upgrade' |
| 03:08.37 | quantic | c|oneman: It's not openvz. |
| 03:08.48 | quantic | c|oneman: That's why I asked where he's hosting, first. |
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| 03:09.01 | somiaj | ,v php5 |
| 03:09.02 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze28; wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.14+dfsg-1; sid: |
| 03:09.03 | judd | 5.6.14+dfsg-1 |
| 03:09.07 | ZeroBeholder | he can "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 03:09.22 | ZeroBeholder | At least that is what I believe the upgrade command is. |
| 03:09.32 | ZeroBeholder | If not, --similar. |
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| 03:09.45 | quantic | ZeroBeholder: Almost that easy, yes. |
| 03:09.57 | duncannz | I will look into upgrading, thanks |
| 03:09.59 | somiaj | Yea there isn't a backport made so you would have to make your own. |
| 03:11.00 | ZeroBeholder | But, you are correct, give the /etc/apt/sources.list a look over and there's an external config where maybe the directory is sources.d; in line with how many other additional configurations are set. |
| 03:12.22 | ZeroBeholder | ` /etc/php5/fpm/pools.d is the one I'm fighting with at the moment that has the same config 'structure/setup' |
| 03:12.49 | quantic | ZeroBeholder: um... it's literally just changing the distro name in sources.list, updating your package cache, then upgrade. |
| 03:13.27 | quantic | unless you've added a bunch of other crap. :P |
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| 03:14.33 | ZeroBeholder | I've done it that way, I just think it like dist-upgrade better. But, at the very least I look at my sources file(s) to make sure I have main contrib updates and security on; despite contrib & security being at odds essentially. |
| 03:15.23 | finetundra_ | hey folks, how do I set a static IP? |
| 03:15.29 | somiaj | One should read the release notes, it does contain info that may help and list common issues with the upgrade such as the apache config issue if that was the webserver. |
| 03:15.31 | finetundra_ | I'm using XFCE if that helps |
| 03:15.58 | ZeroBeholder | Finetundra: /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 03:15.59 | somiaj | finetundra_: you are probably using network-manager then? You should be able to open network settings or use the icon and though the gui choose a static ip |
| 03:17.11 | ZeroBeholder | What somiaj said-- in retrospect. (Or for bonus points the Wicd package... Matter of preference.) |
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| 03:17.24 | somiaj | yea I'm unsure if xfce uses nm or wicd by default |
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| 03:19.57 | ZeroBeholder | You'll likely need to set an IP, Gateway, & Netmask |
| 03:20.13 | finetundra_ | what do the netmask and gateway need to be? |
| 03:20.53 | ZeroBeholder | Mine for stuff and giggles as I am on a fixed IP at home for convenience: IP 192.168.1.34 , Netmask 255.255.255.0 , Gateway 192.168.1.1 |
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| 03:22.24 | finetundra_ | erm, ifconfig has stopped working. It says the commands not found |
| 03:22.28 | ZeroBeholder | There will also likely be some tick box or dropdown or UI of some sort to differentiate between the fixed IP and DHCP. I have a checkbox that says Static IP, mine is checked. |
| 03:22.48 | ZeroBeholder | You won't be using ifconfig directly anyway... |
| 03:24.02 | ZeroBeholder | You are looking for your networking GUI because that is likely where you will put your networking settings to use a web browser or random other GUIs of choice. |
| 03:24.52 | ZeroBeholder | --I know, I'd rather have a config file too. But, thems the breaks with these window manager doojobbies. |
| 03:26.09 | ZeroBeholder | The thing is tha XFCE is more or less designed to specifically have less and I'm not sure where in the minimalism to find your system settings. Any XFCE people want to chime in? |
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| 03:29.12 | finetundra_ | ZeroBeholder: does the netmask have to match that of the gateway's? |
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| 03:32.11 | tharkun | finetundra_: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:32.16 | tharkun | or better yet ip addr ls |
| 03:32.31 | finetundra_ | hang on |
| 03:32.34 | ZeroBeholder | No, the gateway is usually the IP of your router. The net mask has something to do with CIDR notation indicating was zone of the internet you are in. At home for me it has only been 255.255.255.0 saying I am at this one particular place in this network. |
| 03:33.09 | ZeroBeholder | Except scratch Internet from that and replace with network. |
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| 03:34.17 | quantic | finetundra_: yes, the subnet mask used must match. |
| 03:34.29 | quantic | finetundra_: all clients on a LAN segment must have the same subnet mask. |
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| 03:36.40 | ZeroBeholder | Thanks quantic, I was struggling. The visual concept of how the netmask works for me is a handgrenade. The lower the numbers everywhere, the higher the casualties... because at work sometimes it is has not been 255.255.255.0... and my risk for causing problems had a larger quantity of machines theoretically in danger. |
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| 03:37.23 | quantic | ZeroBeholder: I do this for a living. :P |
| 03:37.40 | quantic | As in I deal with network architecture every day. |
| 03:39.10 | tharkun | !tell finetundra_ interfaces |
| 03:39.24 | tharkun | !tell finetundra_ about interfaces |
| 03:40.25 | tharkun | finetundra_: that little factoid will tell you how to setup your system to use a fixed ip on your network. |
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| 03:41.14 | finetundra_ | ok so the netmask is the same, I've tried both possible gateways and the IP is open, yet it can't connect to the internet. What gives? |
| 03:41.22 | ZeroBeholder | --IF it is set to use the text config files and not the auxillary files of any install GUIs like NetworkManager or Wicd |
| 03:41.48 | tharkun | finetundra_: mtr -r google.com should tell you a bit more |
| 03:41.51 | ZeroBeholder | May be DNS, have you tried pinging a dotted quad like Google's DNS at 8.8.8.8? |
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| 03:43.01 | finetundra_ | ZeroBeholder: pinging 8.8.8.8 results in host unreachable |
| 03:43.25 | tharkun | finetundra_: paste ip addr ls and ip route ls |
| 03:43.47 | ZeroBeholder | So, we are at a lower level of broken, DNS is not the problem at this time. |
| 03:44.32 | tharkun | Anyone familiar with installing hp laserjet p1006 printers? |
| 03:45.19 | ZeroBeholder | finetundra_: Are you modifying the config files or is a network package installed? |
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| 03:45.43 | ZeroBeholder | If so which package? |
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| 03:48.15 | ZeroBeholder | Another thing I have needed to do in the past was "service networking restart" -- but take that with a grain of salt it has been a year or two since I have done that and only that because /etc/init.d/something restart stopped working. |
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| 03:49.46 | finetundra_ | tharkun: http://imgur.com/JR93EYE |
| 03:49.51 | ZeroBeholder | It is the worst having busted Internet on the machine you are trying to fix. I can picture finetundra_ as a nondescript humanoid running up/down stairs trying something going back and forth between the computers... |
| 03:49.59 | finetundra_ | ZeroBeholder: just trying to set a static IP |
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| 03:50.28 | finetundra_ | ZeroBeholder: you're not far from the truth |
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| 03:50.54 | beepie | finetundra_, /usr/share/doc/networking |
| 03:51.36 | beepie | finetundra_, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 03:51.46 | beepie | finetundra_, you should check out the "interfaces" manpage |
| 03:52.13 | tharkun | finetundra_: your gateway is on a different subnet than your computer and therefore your machine does not know where to send the packets. |
| 03:52.55 | tharkun | now, what is the network topology. Is there a dhcp server in it? (Home routers usually have a small one) |
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| 03:53.36 | finetundra_ | tharkun: there should be one somewher in there |
| 03:54.08 | ZeroBeholder | tharkun is kind of on to something, can you go to a DHCP machine on the network you want to join and see what settings it has-- the netmask & gateway will be the same. |
| 03:54.14 | beepie | finetundra_, maybe yuo can post your interfaces file, is it nm or interfaces? |
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| 03:54.56 | tharkun | finetundra_: What os does the computer you are working on has? |
| 03:55.04 | beepie | !tell ZeroBeholder about network-manager |
| 03:55.07 | finetundra_ | ZeroBeholder: see I did and everything lines up except the IP obviously |
| 03:55.18 | finetundra_ | tharkun: what do you mean? |
| 03:55.36 | ZeroBeholder | (your interfaces file for beepie is at /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 03:55.43 | tharkun | You are connected to that network using a computer now. Am I right? |
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| 03:56.06 | beepie | ZeroBeholder, /etc/init.d/something may be obsolete with things like "systemd" |
| 03:56.17 | finetundra_ | tharkun: yeah |
| 03:56.38 | tharkun | What operating system it is using? |
| 03:56.50 | finetundra_ | tharkun: winblows |
| 03:56.54 | beepie | lol |
| 03:57.02 | beepie | too many windows users |
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| 03:57.10 | tharkun | ipconfig should spit out the network information you need. |
| 03:57.19 | beepie | great a "Windows command" |
| 03:57.20 | morf | there is some kind of installer rewrite in progress in testing? |
| 03:57.36 | ZeroBeholder | * ifconfig |
| 03:57.41 | finetundra_ | yeah |
| 03:57.48 | ZeroBeholder | ipconfig on win... sorry |
| 03:58.05 | tharkun | write them down and pick a different ip for your linux box. |
| 03:58.26 | finetundra_ | ok, hang on |
| 03:58.36 | tharkun | Feed the information to your linux box and you should be fine. |
| 03:59.46 | ZeroBeholder | Your internal network will likely be 192.#.#.# , possibly 10.#.#.# , or even maybe 172.#.#.# -- these networks are special and consumer devices love the 192 private network for whatever reason. |
| 04:00.09 | tharkun | ZeroBeholder: Hard data, no assumptions will fix the isue. |
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| 04:01.00 | ZeroBeholder | Just having her keep an eye out for these numbers. 127 isn't going to help. |
| 04:02.09 | beepie | ZeroBeholder, you should stop using Windows. this is a linux support channel thank you. |
| 04:02.46 | finetundra_ | Still getting host unreachable when pinging 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:03.01 | ZeroBeholder | beepie: tharkun is having finetundra look at the ipconfig settings on a windows machine, I needed to reread it once too. hence the apology. |
| 04:03.17 | beepie | hence my ass, you're using Windows. |
| 04:03.21 | tharkun | finetundra_: did you write down the data I asked? |
| 04:03.42 | finetundra_ | the subnet and gateway right? |
| 04:03.44 | ZeroBeholder | ...what? |
| 04:04.01 | tharkun | yes |
| 04:04.25 | finetundra_ | sub is 255.255.255.0 and gateway is 10.0.0.1 |
| 04:05.05 | tharkun | finetundra_: fix your default gw to that. |
| 04:05.12 | finetundra_ | I did |
| 04:05.23 | beepie | finetundra_, you too. |
| 04:05.32 | beepie | !tell finetundra_ about network-manager |
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| 04:05.36 | beepie | :) |
| 04:05.41 | beepie | lol |
| 04:05.42 | tharkun | finetundra_: pull down eth1 since you have the same ip as eth0 |
| 04:06.06 | ZeroBeholder | if we are going to be making unfounded accusations, then beepie is a 1 percenter furry that has a windows phone. |
| 04:06.08 | finetundra_ | huh? |
| 04:06.16 | beepie | finetundra_, huh that's right. |
| 04:06.37 | finetundra_ | really? |
| 04:06.37 | beepie | finetundra_, if you don't know the difference between nm and ifupdown packages then that's the problem |
| 04:06.47 | tharkun | finetundra_: Which network card is connected? |
| 04:07.02 | tharkun | beepie: cooldown. |
| 04:07.12 | finetundra_ | eth1, eth0 is fried |
| 04:07.12 | beepie | tharkun, i'm cooledup. |
| 04:07.31 | beepie | tharkun, no need to drool in circles if you don't disable nm, if you are using ifupdown |
| 04:07.41 | tharkun | finetundra_: pulldown eth0 and make sure you have your network connected to eth1 |
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| 04:07.50 | beepie | circles |
| 04:07.56 | beepie | OO |
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| 04:07.58 | beepie | ^ |
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| 04:08.31 | tharkun | finetundra_: before anything else do /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 04:08.40 | tharkun | beepie: happy with it? |
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| 04:09.04 | tharkun | You should loose all your network config with that |
| 04:09.28 | beepie | by default nm's ifupdown plugin is set to not to follow ifconfig's "auto" set interfaces. that is the reason why I asked for him to post his interfaces file. ("auto <interface>" would be necessary) |
| 04:09.49 | tharkun | beepie+ |
| 04:09.54 | finetundra_ | know what; I don't tihnk I'm awake enoough to keep going. I'll come beack tomorrow |
| 04:10.03 | beepie | finetundra_, add that |
| 04:10.14 | finetundra_ | when I've had more than 2hr of sleep |
| 04:10.30 | tharkun | finetundra_: Good night :) |
| 04:10.31 | beepie | finetundra_, Windows eh |
| 04:10.38 | beepie | Window dear. |
| 04:10.52 | finetundra_ | night guys |
| 04:10.54 | tharkun | Turn your computer off. Maybe just maybe tomorrow it will fix itself :) |
| 04:11.05 | ZeroBeholder | it was a valiant fight, but in the end exhaustion and attrition won the day. But, finetundra lived to fight another day.... |
| 04:11.08 | beepie | woman |
| 04:11.14 | finetundra_ | I can only hope |
| 04:11.25 | beepie | finetundra_, go back to cleaning the kitchen |
| 04:11.27 | beepie | XD |
| 04:11.36 | finetundra_ | not you |
| 04:11.39 | ZeroBeholder | We don't necessarily know that-- but it was my impression as well. |
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| 04:11.53 | beepie | finetundra_, go cook me something woman |
| 04:11.59 | beepie | eeps sleeps |
| 04:12.29 | finetundra_ | wel for starters I'm a guy. |
| 04:12.39 | uberdub | debian kernel: [81704.379706] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine c$ |
| 04:12.46 | tharkun | finetundra_: Who cares go to sleep. |
| 04:12.46 | uberdub | any ideas? |
| 04:12.57 | finetundra_ | tharkun: yep, g'night |
| 04:13.04 | ZeroBeholder | Sorry man. Get some rest, try again later. This is how you get better at it. |
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| 04:13.51 | tharkun | uberdub: Heavy weights usually run on European timezones. Repeat your question later. Beyond my depth. |
| 04:15.37 | ZeroBeholder | uberdub: I have had my share of messages from the bowels of the machine and you win-- that is the least helpful kernel message I have ever seen. |
| 04:17.17 | uberdub | lol |
| 04:17.21 | uberdub | I know right? |
| 04:17.31 | beepie | uberdub, you know left! |
| 04:17.47 | uberdub | only one line, I need to enable more logs I guess |
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| 04:18.04 | uberdub | was getting freezing, and errors when I was using powertop |
| 04:18.09 | beepie | uberdub, http://www.advancedclustering.com/act-kb/what-are-machine-check-exceptions-or-mce/ |
| 04:18.16 | uberdub | only output I could find |
| 04:18.25 | beepie | uberdub, ecc poopoo |
| 04:19.31 | ZeroBeholder | can you take it down and run a memcheck to confirm? |
| 04:20.23 | ZeroBeholder | That is just what I call the bootable disk that my memory checker is on-- I don't really know what it is called. |
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| 04:21.21 | beepie | says time to blow out the dust |
| 04:21.33 | beepie | ppppppppppffffffffffffffffffffffwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 04:21.36 | ZeroBeholder | Sometimes the stuff isn't bad enough to kill the machine-- sometimes it isn't the memory that is bad, it is the glue components between. Used to work on laptops for my day to day gig. |
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| 04:23.24 | uberdub | everything is fine when I dont use powertop...but battery life is crap |
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| 04:24.35 | beepie | you can always try to replace the cmos battery XD |
| 04:24.42 | beepie | if you're smart enough to open a laptop! |
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| 04:24.50 | ZeroBeholder | Back to failing at setting up PHP5-FPM, good night party people. beepie, I can live with you wearing animal costumes. But I'm begging you, start spending just a little bit of your mountains of cash to make the world a better place. Not all of us are as fortunate as you are. |
| 04:25.17 | beepie | ZeroBeholder, go back to Windows. I don't need to be reminded about "ipconfig" thank you very much. |
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| 04:25.32 | uberdub | why would I replace the cmos? |
| 04:25.38 | beepie | uberdub, "battery" |
| 04:25.47 | beepie | uberdub, sometimes it causes ram/power-saving issues |
| 04:25.51 | uberdub | hmm |
| 04:26.00 | uberdub | I know I got a firmware error too at one point |
| 04:26.03 | beepie | uberdub, it's 3 bucks to buy a new one, figure |
| 04:26.13 | beepie | uberdub, also -> "blow out the dust" (i'm not joking). |
| 04:26.19 | uberdub | its a brand new think penguin |
| 04:26.28 | uberdub | 2 weeks old |
| 04:26.30 | beepie | uberdub, much shit, but litte wonders. it happens. |
| 04:26.46 | beepie | uberdub, brand new? update the dam bioses. |
| 04:26.58 | uberdub | ? |
| 04:27.10 | beepie | uberdub, btw that be interesting (an aha moment), if there's a way to tell via Linux how "strong" the cmos battery really is. |
| 04:27.22 | beepie | uberdub, you said it's "new" |
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| 04:27.31 | uberdub | yeah I just bought it |
| 04:27.36 | beepie | uberdub, bioses are always rolling out by the time they reach the shelf for fixes |
| 04:27.38 | uberdub | think penguin korrora |
| 04:27.50 | uberdub | hmmm |
| 04:27.53 | uberdub | maybe there is an update |
| 04:28.26 | ZeroBeholder | In that case, there are two points in time where the probablility of hardware just plain being bad is higher. Those two 'humps' are when it is brand new and when the warranty wears out. You are smack dab in the first hump. |
| 04:28.28 | beepie | uberdub, dmidecode says what for motherboard? that's pretty much all the information you need |
| 04:28.47 | beepie | ZeroBeholder, you said you were leaving, good bye! |
| 04:28.53 | ZeroBeholder | I lied. |
| 04:29.16 | beepie | ZeroBeholder, well you've not been helpful anyways, so I don't see why you like to "echo" like a parrot. |
| 04:29.31 | beepie | uberdub, that is #1 rule. Update update update.. |
| 04:29.45 | beepie | uberdub, got a nucbox two weeks ago. Updated bios. |
| 04:30.11 | beepie | uberdub, you'd be surprised.. there are "fixes" to even "ssd drive" compatiblities with such updates, i've seen them. |
| 04:30.34 | beepie | uberdub, you jsut have to google that motherboard brand, and see the original manufacturer. |
| 04:30.42 | beepie | uberdub, (driver/bios download pages) |
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| 04:31.23 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 04:31.45 | uberdub | http://pastebin.com/Ad72FYBn |
| 04:32.22 | uberdub | insyde corp? |
| 04:33.04 | beepie | uberdub, yeah right that laptop motherboard make is 2013 |
| 04:33.14 | uberdub | yep |
| 04:33.18 | beepie | uberdub, definitely there should be at least one update |
| 04:33.25 | uberdub | Im thinking so |
| 04:33.42 | uberdub | compal? |
| 04:34.15 | beepie | uberdub, could it be this? http://www.asipartner.com/Solutions/Mobile/ASINotebookSolutions/CompalVAW70/tabid/1071/Default.aspx . i see codename "VAW70" |
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| 04:34.48 | beepie | uberdub, i don't think there would be any or much tailoring to that motherboard if it was an in-series, or slight offshoot |
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| 04:35.05 | beepie | uberdub, bioses are often made for a line-series of product motherboards |
| 04:36.11 | beepie | uberdub, it's having problems detecting speeds across the memory modules , with speed "unknown" so that's very problematic |
| 04:36.24 | beepie | uberdub, do you still see "speed unknown" even with powernow off ? |
| 04:36.35 | uberdub | not sure |
| 04:36.39 | uberdub | how to check? |
| 04:36.40 | beepie | uberdub, check |
| 04:36.47 | beepie | uberdub, well you said you can disable it no? |
| 04:37.29 | beepie | uberdub, another thing is to install "intel-microcode" and "microcodectl" |
| 04:37.53 | beepie | uberdub, then run that command dmidecode, and tell me if it still says unknown |
| 04:38.03 | beepie | uberdub, this is an iterative process |
| 04:40.01 | uberdub | ofc |
| 04:40.09 | beepie | froze |
| 04:40.24 | beepie | uberdub, oh freedom community? |
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| 04:40.38 | uberdub | I cant recreate the errors tho unless I run powertop again |
| 04:41.03 | beepie | uberdub, no i mean disable power<> whatever you're loading and check dmidecode |
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| 04:41.30 | beepie | uberdub, now you have an easier way to check, and that is to use dmideocode to verify the ram speed |
| 04:41.44 | uberdub | confused...disable power? |
| 04:42.08 | beepie | uberdub, i suppose you were suggesting to loading some energy-saving module. |
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| 04:42.28 | beepie | uberdub, scrap the powertop |
| 04:42.28 | uberdub | yeah, powertop |
| 04:42.45 | uberdub | ahh, and use microcode? |
| 04:42.50 | beepie | uberdub, are you able to install those 2 packages? (you might need to add non-free) |
| 04:42.52 | beepie | uberdub, y |
| 04:42.56 | uberdub | ok |
| 04:42.56 | beepie | uberdub, intel chips use it |
| 04:43.06 | uberdub | I havent been using powertop for a while |
| 04:43.11 | uberdub | bout a week |
| 04:43.16 | beepie | uberdub, by default debian doesn't install it, but other distros like mate,mint do |
| 04:43.46 | beepie | uberdub, you said this laptop was bought two weeks ago? the hardware as it appears is from 2013 |
| 04:44.03 | beepie | uberdub, it may be compatible, but hopefully those penguins don't use refurbished products |
| 04:44.12 | beepie | uberdub, and I hate refurbished anything :) |
| 04:44.21 | beepie | uberdub, rather have things just new new new. :p |
| 04:44.42 | uberdub | yeah |
| 04:44.46 | uberdub | me too |
| 04:44.53 | uberdub | didnt know thats a bit old |
| 04:45.14 | uberdub | but a one of the most free laptops on earth |
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| 04:45.27 | uberdub | slim pickens |
| 04:45.41 | uberdub | err pickins lol |
| 04:47.33 | uberdub | beepie: should I get amd64-microcode or intel-microcode packages? |
| 04:47.40 | beepie | intel |
| 04:47.51 | uberdub | as well as the other 2? |
| 04:47.53 | beepie | the amd64-microcode won't load anways |
| 04:47.55 | beepie | ? |
| 04:47.57 | beepie | no just 2 |
| 04:48.01 | beepie | microcodectl |
| 04:48.07 | uberdub | ok I saw additionals in the reps |
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| 04:48.13 | uberdub | just clarifying |
| 04:48.15 | beepie | i think it's a virtual package now |
| 04:48.17 | beepie | lemme check |
| 04:48.33 | beepie | microcode.ctl - Intel IA32/IA64 CPU Microcode Utility (transitional package) |
| 04:48.40 | beepie | yeah i suppose it might just be one package now |
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| 04:48.51 | uberdub | 2 was in reps |
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| 04:50.23 | beepie | won't be dangerous.. |
| 04:50.35 | uberdub | lol |
| 04:50.45 | uberdub | good to know |
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| 04:51.16 | uberdub | think penguin probably recommends powertop cause its open source. |
| 04:51.31 | uberdub | they try not to touch any thing closed...its why I shop with them |
| 04:51.50 | uberdub | but, just not always practical |
| 04:53.28 | beepie | you whole system is opensource.. |
| 04:53.35 | beepie | except the hardware |
| 04:53.50 | uberdub | beepie: powertop hasnt been enabled in a while, I just ran dmidecode so that memory error should be fresh |
| 04:54.11 | beepie | uberdub, it may have had updated the initrd, you can try rebooting, btw is it on "this system" you're using on irc? XD (i suppose not) |
| 04:54.21 | beepie | uberdub, only started following the above thread late |
| 04:54.37 | uberdub | yeah its this system im using |
| 04:54.46 | beepie | uberdub, just keep checking that dmidecode, it should show the speed |
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| 04:55.15 | beepie | uberdub, never seen here on systems i use as "unknown" otherwise that's not at all guuudd |
| 04:56.34 | uberdub | unknown? |
| 04:56.37 | SirLagz | uberdub: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:56.47 | beepie | some do say "unknown" but |
| 04:56.48 | uberdub | save battery life |
| 04:56.52 | beepie | hre i get "Speed: 1600 MHz" |
| 04:57.00 | beepie | you should at lest have one entry that shows speed |
| 04:57.04 | SirLagz | uberdub: ah right. have fun |
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| 04:57.56 | beepie | my bad uberdub you do have one-> Configured Clock Speed: 1600 MHz |
| 04:58.00 | beepie | uberdub, over there. |
| 04:58.04 | beepie | uberdub, but... |
| 04:58.17 | beepie | uberdub, was way down down down on the list, so you have at least one that shows |
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| 04:58.37 | beepie | uberdub, but that bios is *old* |
| 04:58.52 | uberdub | yeah ill upgrade |
| 04:59.04 | beepie | uberdub, try powertop again after the reboot? |
| 04:59.10 | uberdub | ok |
| 04:59.17 | beepie | uberdub, (hopefully some microcode magic) |
| 04:59.41 | uberdub | reboot now u think? or look into upgrading bios ? |
| 05:00.19 | beepie | uberdub, it's an iterative process, a bios upgrade may not be needed if the microcode did the trick, but microcode is actually "loading" firmware for the processor itself |
| 05:00.36 | beepie | uberdub, (as mentioned ming, and umate automatically install these packages, but debian doesn't) |
| 05:00.51 | beepie | uberdub, I've seen fixes by using it |
| 05:00.58 | beepie | uberdub, (eg, gfx memory) |
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| 05:02.33 | uberdub | cool |
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| 05:02.49 | uberdub | its definitely a compal vaw70 rebranded |
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| 05:05.59 | beepie | uberdub, ftp://70.35.58.70/Notebook/Compal/VAW70/BIOS/ |
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| 05:06.55 | beepie | uberdub, now do you use the crisisbios? |
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| 05:07.37 | beepie | uberdub, though you should be able to see bios upgrades with the other site. |
| 05:08.22 | beepie | often such resellers are "too lazy" XD |
| 05:09.05 | uberdub | I needed it fast too. I did my own install. ordered next day air |
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| 05:10.00 | uberdub | they might do it during intall usually |
| 05:10.05 | uberdub | they didnt mention it tho |
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| 05:10.53 | beepie | uberdub, in any case it's best to have bios updates along with the latest microcode, i suppose you also already did that what they mention on their site-> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/korora-penguin-support-information |
| 05:11.01 | beepie | uberdub, do you get any other problems other than using powertop? |
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| 05:11.23 | beepie | uberdub, or maybe that may no longer be necessary for 3.15+ kernels |
| 05:11.25 | uberdub | freezes mostly, sleep suspend issues |
| 05:11.34 | beepie | uberdub, freezes only when it goes to suspend? |
| 05:12.20 | beepie | uberdub, does it freeze randomly? |
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| 05:12.55 | beepie | uberdub, if you didn't yet, try that acpi to the linux cmdline, i think you may have already had that intact but in case you can verify params to the kernel with->> cat /proc/cmdline |
| 05:13.02 | beepie | uberdub, and see if there were acpi options passed |
| 05:13.14 | beepie | bb |
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| 05:14.15 | uberdub | nothing about acpi |
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| 05:16.39 | uberdub | beepie: Im guesing command should be written as so: acpi_debian=Linux acpi_osi=vendor acpi_backlight=vendor"? |
| 05:16.49 | uberdub | err line |
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| 05:17.58 | beepie | uberdub, yeah yuo add that to /etc/default/grub in it's cmdline variable, but also that kernel is on wheezy 7 |
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| 05:18.12 | beepie | uberdub, you still can try that and *maybe* the problem will go away |
| 05:18.23 | beepie | uberdub, also make sure the acpid package is installed |
| 05:18.31 | uberdub | this is 3.16 on 8 |
| 05:19.36 | beepie | uberdub, the module call to those params cannot freeze the bootup so don't worry |
| 05:19.51 | beepie | uberdub, or any "worse" than you already have ;-) |
| 05:20.17 | beepie | uberdub, "cat /proc/cmdline" |
| 05:20.27 | beepie | uberdub, shows what was booted with kernel params |
| 05:20.46 | beepie | uberdub, you can't modify the live kernel's cmdline after it was booted |
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| 05:21.10 | beepie | uberdub, not sure what reference you're mentiong about something err |
| 05:21.35 | uberdub | I meant err line*, not command |
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| 05:22.10 | uberdub | Im not a computer scientist im a chemist :) |
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| 05:22.16 | beepie | ok kewl |
| 05:22.35 | beepie | some data puppies bounce on here too |
| 05:22.39 | beepie | wags tail |
| 05:22.43 | mancomunado | Could anyone verify error on output of: "systemctl list-unit-files |grep enabled" https://paste.debian.net/331173 |
| 05:23.07 | mancomunado | I have to start systemd manually with startx on KDE |
| 05:23.09 | beepie | mancomunado, if you use the journalctl -xn that should show errors |
| 05:23.40 | mancomunado | $ journalctl -xn |
| 05:23.40 | mancomunado | No journal files were found. |
| 05:24.00 | beepie | mancomunado, odd, you must not be using debian because systemd's journal is on by default! |
| 05:24.03 | beepie | mancomunado, :p |
| 05:24.07 | beepie | ha! |
| 05:24.16 | uberdub | rebooting bbiaf |
| 05:24.24 | uberdub | crosses fingers |
| 05:24.29 | beepie | good luck uberdub |
| 05:24.38 | mancomunado | It used to take one minute and half to start the system, after mounting the logical encrypted volume. Now it loads on 5 seconds but stops on [ok]... |
| 05:25.00 | mancomunado | beepie, I am. |
| 05:25.16 | beepie | mancomunado, bugreport it!.. here i noticed auto-disconnects with "cifs" mountpoints, if i manually mount them no issue. systemd is doing something. |
| 05:25.27 | beepie | mancomunado, if this is a non-root volume, perhaps you can try the same |
| 05:25.42 | beepie | mancomunado, if the problem never persists, then it must be systemd and it should be reported |
| 05:26.19 | mancomunado | too much bureucracy to report. |
| 05:26.27 | beepie | mancomunado, ? |
| 05:26.38 | beepie | mancomunado, set a template for bugreporting, or use the reportbug tool. |
| 05:26.41 | beepie | !reportbug |
| 05:26.41 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 05:26.42 | beepie | :p |
| 05:26.49 | mancomunado | I just want to not have to type startx by booting |
| 05:26.59 | beepie | mancomunado, i doubt you're using debian. |
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| 05:27.07 | mancomunado | for christ sake |
| 05:27.09 | beepie | :) |
| 05:27.32 | beepie | mancomunado, if you're using "stretch" then that would make sense.. i never heard of such a broken journaling with systemd |
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| 05:28.35 | mancomunado | I don't know if it's systemd |
| 05:28.45 | mancomunado | it just don't boot normally, i have to startx |
| 05:28.55 | beepie | mancomunado, journalctl is for reading systemd logging. see it's manpage |
| 05:28.58 | mancomunado | or xinit startkde |
| 05:29.07 | beepie | mancomunado, good luck |
| 05:29.14 | beepie | thinks mancomunado is completely lost |
| 05:29.21 | mancomunado | you are right |
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| 05:29.35 | mancomunado | I need help to try some fixing |
| 05:29.56 | beepie | yeah, try #linux i'm there, tell people what you *really* use |
| 05:30.17 | mancomunado | how can I prove |
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| 05:30.34 | quantic | mancomunado: start with the output of uname -a |
| 05:30.36 | beepie | well first you don't bother to even check bugreports |
| 05:30.51 | mancomunado | Linux mancomunado 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5 (2015-10-09) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:30.52 | mancomunado | mancomunado@mancomunado:~$ |
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| 05:31.17 | quantic | second, "too much bureaucracy to report"? uhh, I didn't realize that the "reportbug" command was so hard. |
| 05:31.23 | beepie | ^ |
| 05:31.51 | quantic | mancomunado: then nuke and pave, buddy. your install is jacked, and god only knows how it got there. |
| 05:32.43 | beepie | waits for uberdub's fix |
| 05:33.28 | beepie | it's nice to tweak and fiddle, but at least break your system in virtualbox not on your native machine then come here and ask for system defaults.. |
| 05:33.48 | beepie | only you would have known what you changed... |
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| 05:34.20 | beepie | virtualbox exists for a good reason, development, fun, and break-and-fix games.. and me too I love break things too but break it "right"! |
| 05:34.21 | beepie | :p |
| 05:34.25 | mancomunado | quantic, first of all it requires an e-mail then it insists to tell how important it is to tell the package |
| 05:34.39 | quantic | mancomunado: oh, you mean... how software bug reports work? |
| 05:34.49 | mancomunado | I don't know what I could tell about a package, the system just don't fucking werk that's the deal |
| 05:35.33 | mancomunado | If you don't know what package the bug is in, please contact debian-user@lists.debian.org for assistance. |
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| 05:36.41 | mancomunado | Then I have to e-mail someone, to get same help as communities help are commonly unuseful: "fuck off nerd ur pc is doomed lol" |
| 05:36.49 | beepie | mancomunado, then why bother to change things you don't know what you're changing? |
| 05:36.59 | beepie | mancomunado, you're obviously too new to alter advanced settings |
| 05:37.03 | mancomunado | BECAUSE I HAVE A FUCKING BUG TO REPORT NOT A PACKAGE |
| 05:37.08 | beepie | oO |
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| 05:37.26 | mancomunado | Precisely new. |
| 05:37.36 | beepie | you need to get out |
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| 05:37.57 | mancomunado | See? |
| 05:38.12 | mancomunado | I should e-mail people like you, to understand my package. |
| 05:38.28 | mancomunado | FUCK THE BUG REPORT GET THOSE PACKAGES AROUND ME BB |
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| 05:38.50 | beepie | uberdub, and? :)))) |
| 05:38.54 | beepie | uberdub, hahahaah |
| 05:39.33 | quantic | mancomunado: what's the actual issue? That journalctl reports no journal files exist? |
| 05:40.13 | uberdub | System baseline power is estimated at 5.87 W |
| 05:40.33 | uberdub | thats down, and I havent even enabled any of the powertop stuff |
| 05:40.51 | beepie | uberdub, less freezes/ |
| 05:41.01 | beepie | uberdub, up or down? |
| 05:41.18 | uberdub | idk about freezes yet they were random |
| 05:41.38 | beepie | uberdub, did you try the new kernel boot parameteres? |
| 05:41.45 | uberdub | normally was running at 8 or so before |
| 05:41.53 | uberdub | oops no |
| 05:42.04 | uberdub | I need to run grub update |
| 05:42.04 | beepie | uberdub, you gotta try that kernel cmdline |
| 05:42.23 | beepie | uberdub, so you'll have to do another reboot |
| 05:42.46 | beepie | uberdub, sorry to latetly inform you but I thought that as very important because your laptop maker also cites this |
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| 05:42.55 | beepie | uberdub, ( https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/korora-penguin-support-information ) |
| 05:43.27 | beepie | uberdub, well i think i did inform about it and thought you said you were gonna try it! :) |
| 05:43.34 | beepie | uberdub, yeah |
| 05:43.42 | beepie | uberdub, you need to run update-grub after you alter /etc/default/grub |
| 05:43.55 | beepie | uberdub, as update-grub generates a new grub.cfg for the grub-loading process |
| 05:44.13 | beepie | uberdub, (in other words when grub boots, it reads the grub.cfg file) |
| 05:45.32 | uberdub | yeah forgot to run it is all |
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| 05:48.14 | uberdub | rebooting again |
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| 07:29.16 | hero | I am facing this issue with systemd where none of my nodejs apps are logging to journal. When I do systemctl status <servicename> it shows running. But, when I do journalctl -u <servicename> it shows service failed with exit code 143. |
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| 07:32.38 | hero | here are the commands with the relevant output http://pastebin.com/syh6KHcD |
| 07:33.43 | hero | Systemd Version: 215-17+deb8u2 in case that matters. |
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| 07:35.17 | hero | Also, I should add that I had SystemMaxFiles= and RuntimeMaxFiles= which caused journal corruption and I removed that and deleted all the journal files. Also restarted systemd-journald.service |
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| 08:11.08 | anddam | hello, |
| 08:11.19 | anddam | how do I check what my (currently working) wifi driver is? |
| 08:11.37 | anddam | lspci says 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73) |
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| 08:36.28 | anddam | answer to self: iwlwifi |
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| 08:40.06 | ios_sos | anddam, or you can grab more detailed information from 'lspci' with the '-v' flag (example = lspci -s 02:00.0 -v) |
| 08:40.14 | ios_sos | that will show you the kernel module and driver in use |
| 08:40.18 | ios_sos | fyi |
| 08:41.03 | anddam | ios_sos: that's handy thanks |
| 08:41.22 | ios_sos | np |
| 08:41.29 | anddam | "kernel driver in use: iwlwifi" that could have given a hint⦠|
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| 08:47.23 | torpet | I have a weird problem that when I plug in the Xbox One controller to my Debian 8 laptop (bpo kernel 4.2.5) that the machine freezes. |
| 08:47.29 | torpet | Any idea how I could debug that? |
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| 09:28.52 | twisted` | hey, what is the reason the defaults (or default enforced) limits for NOFILE and PROCESSES are still so low nowadays? Why is the default still 1024? |
| 09:29.02 | TomyWork | hi |
| 09:29.56 | The_Grid | hello |
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| 09:32.38 | TomyWork | my debian box accesses package sources on the internet as well as on the local network. In case of an internet outage, what does apt-get update do? will it refresh the local package repo index? |
| 09:33.21 | jelly | twisted`: debian keeps conservative defaults and does not change them without excellent reason |
| 09:34.04 | jelly | sometimes they're inherited (from the kernel, or other upstream) |
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| 09:34.46 | bougyman | how to initialize dpkg? |
| 09:35.10 | bougyman | trying to use it to install a deb on a foreign distribution, but it obviously needs some structure first. |
| 09:35.21 | bougyman | I created /var/lib/dpkg, now it wants /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:35.43 | bougyman | I don't see any --initialize or what-not in dpkg's usage itself. |
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| 09:36.27 | bougyman | hrm, touching status seemed to work. |
| 09:36.42 | bougyman | and creating info/ and updates/ |
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| 09:36.45 | jelly | bougyman: it's not worth your time trying to satisfy dependencies. Just unpack the .deb over your / after making sure it won't overwrite anything |
| 09:36.57 | bougyman | jelly: it doesn't have deps. |
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| 09:37.12 | bougyman | this is chefdk, it's an omnibus install into /opt |
| 09:37.20 | bougyman | and it works! |
| 09:37.24 | jelly | bougyman: why not just dpkg --extract foo.deb / |
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| 09:38.16 | bougyman | jelly: teaching xbps about dpkg installed stuff, too |
| 09:38.23 | TomyWork | bougyman have you considered using alien? |
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| 09:38.29 | bougyman | TomyWork: no. |
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| 09:38.35 | jelly | !alien |
| 09:38.35 | dpkg | alien is probably a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc. http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 09:38.40 | bougyman | I know alien. |
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| 09:38.55 | bougyman | what i'm doing is the reverse of that. |
| 09:39.02 | TomyWork | what reverse? |
| 09:39.18 | bougyman | allowing .deb and .rpm packages to be installed on systems managed by xbps. |
| 09:39.24 | TomyWork | alien goes both ways between all the formats it supports |
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| 09:39.40 | TomyWork | so hat is the reverse of "both ways"? :) |
| 09:39.41 | bougyman | I know that. but it doesn't know xbps and I don't want to teach it. |
| 09:39.58 | bougyman | alien converts packages, I want to use them as-is with the native packaging tool. |
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| 09:41.38 | TomyWork | well you can use dpkg-deb to extract the .deb... |
| 09:41.56 | TomyWork | or "ar x mypackage.deb" to get to the tar.gz files in there |
| 09:42.07 | bougyman | yes, I know how to manually extract debs, too. |
| 09:42.26 | TomyWork | so you really want to have 2 package managers on one system? |
| 09:42.32 | TomyWork | that sounds like a bad idea |
| 09:42.49 | jelly | it's just that a package that misses deps completely probably doesn't have installation scripts worth a damn, either |
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| 09:43.45 | bougyman | TomyWork: well this is a step toward having xbps know how to install .deb and .rpm files directly. |
| 09:44.00 | jelly | what is xbps? |
| 09:44.06 | bougyman | currently we usually just extract the deb or rpm and put the files in place. |
| 09:44.08 | TomyWork | so you want to modify xbps to do that? |
| 09:44.20 | TomyWork | that's actually a good idea |
| 09:44.23 | bougyman | TomyWork: i'm working on a few different angles for it. |
| 09:44.33 | bougyman | jelly: X Binary Package System |
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| 09:44.38 | bougyman | it's the package manager for void linux |
| 09:44.50 | TomyWork | so read up on the format specs and implement them. what's the hold-up? |
| 09:44.52 | bougyman | I have no idea what the 'X' means. |
| 09:44.53 | jelly | never heard of it, /me googles |
| 09:45.36 | TomyWork | for .deb, they're not terribly complicated either |
| 09:45.50 | TomyWork | .rpm is a different story. condolences in advance. |
| 09:47.00 | twisted` | jelly: yeah that's the thing, even on a 386 they are quite conservative... |
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| 09:47.39 | bougyman | TomyWork: that's the thing... dpkg and rpm (the binary) alraedy know the spec. |
| 09:47.56 | bougyman | i'm trying to see if there's some way to leverage those without having to re-implement everything in xbps. |
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| 09:48.04 | jelly | twisted`: the nice thing about default settings is they can be changed |
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| 09:48.59 | twisted` | sure :) just wondering what the reason is in the age where my phone has 2GB ram and a multi-core processor that Debian which afaik is mainly used for servers and scientific computing uses defaults that are so low |
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| 09:49.20 | twisted` | Debian is not alone, every distro, just curious if this is something that is happened to be or is still enforced |
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| 09:50.00 | The-Compiler | Since a few days ago, Qt applications on my Debian Jessie seem to crash often or have drawing errors with warnings like "QXcbShmImage: shmget() failed (28) for size 1363584 (636x536)" - any idea what could be going on? |
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| 09:51.21 | TomyWork | bougyman i see, kinda like apt leverages dpkg? |
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| 09:52.00 | TomyWork | bougyman what will you do about dependencies? |
| 09:52.28 | TomyWork | there are definitely differences in naming between deb and rpm for some packages |
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| 09:53.39 | TomyWork | i guess you could instruct dpkg to disregard them and then provide metadata , but then you're inventing a new package format that happens to include a .deb |
| 09:53.46 | The-Compiler | I reported some details to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804758 |
| 09:53.48 | charli | Hi, anyone using 'awesome wm', when maximum a client with two monitors , the client always jump to the big monitor in some condition. |
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| 09:58.05 | bougyman | TomyWork: i'm thinking of path-based separation for the foreign packages. |
| 09:58.12 | bougyman | that's what we do with nix (well, nix does that itself) |
| 09:58.30 | TomyWork | nix is doing that to itself, man |
| 09:58.42 | bougyman | right |
| 09:58.45 | TomyWork | :) |
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| 09:59.02 | TomyWork | ok that could work. but you'd end up quadruplicating everything |
| 09:59.16 | bougyman | sure, that's the downside to get the compartmentalization |
| 09:59.16 | zafu | [OT] hi, what are the best 'hard' sf novels out there ? |
| 09:59.27 | bougyman | but any other option seems like it would just make a big mess. |
| 09:59.27 | TomyWork | zafu wrong channel? |
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| 10:00.14 | TomyWork | bougyman well if you run some kind of dedup over the libs, you dont waste that much space |
| 10:02.37 | The-Compiler | WTF, it seems like this is caused by Java eating up all shared memory... |
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| 10:06.27 | at0m | zafu: there's a whole channel for that, see /topic |
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| 10:18.10 | decci | Hello |
| 10:19.10 | decci | I am trying to build multiple .deb packages. One .DEB package worked fine but while I am trying to use the same rule file for multiple packages it throws dh_builddeb: -P was specified, but multiple packages would be acted on |
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| 10:38.06 | anev_ | hey how do i find out if i have unattended upgrades enabled? |
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| 10:38.22 | anev_ | my server keeps rebooting every few weeks but i can't see anything in logs to suggest what's causing it |
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| 10:48.07 | dionysus69 | is there a way to smoothly upgrade to gnome shell version 3.16 or higher ? whatever latest stable is? i am at 3.14 and I am getting some bugs which I hope are fixed later |
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| 10:53.11 | superlinux | hi. I am getting this everyday: http://pastebin.com/FvCStjKF |
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| 11:00.00 | anev_ | superlinux: that's a spamassassian issue |
| 11:00.35 | somiaj | connenction refused means spamd isn't listening on 127.0.0.1, listening on the wrong port or is not configured correctly. |
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| 11:01.14 | superlinux | somiaj, but i am using the correct port |
| 11:01.22 | superlinux | and no firewall |
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| 11:01.39 | anev_ | superlinux: double check your configuration in spamc.conf and ensure it allows connections from 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:01.53 | superlinux | ok |
| 11:02.05 | somiaj | connenction refused means that it is not able to get a connenction. It could be it is listening on your public interface but not local host. It could be there is a bug in your config and the daemon isn't running. |
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| 11:02.18 | somiaj | Something is wrong with the daemon such that it is not listening on the correct interface/port. |
| 11:03.54 | somiaj | usually connenction refused in my experience means the service is not listening on the desired interface/port. But it could be the service itself refusing the connenction due to permisions/configuration. |
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| 11:19.06 | johnny_|_ | Hi. Do I need to reset some service if i change mtu on the interface. I set mtu to 9000 and now I can't connect to the server, however existing connections remain functional. |
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| 11:22.36 | chele | Is there a way through configuration to turn off display blank/screensaver while watching media, e.g. video.? |
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| 11:40.22 | rysiek|pl | weird |
| 11:40.39 | rysiek|pl | `pstree some-pid` shows |
| 11:40.54 | rysiek|pl | some-pid-process -- some-other-pid-process |
| 11:41.35 | rysiek|pl | so seems to me that some-other-pid-process is a child of some-pid-process? |
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| 11:42.01 | rysiek|pl | and yet `ps h --ppid some-pid -o pid` only shows some-pid |
| 11:42.19 | rysiek|pl | and killing some-pid kills only some-pid-process, leaves some-other-pid-process running |
| 11:42.46 | rysiek|pl | I am obviously missing something here as far as process management is concerned |
| 11:43.17 | szulak1 | Hello, I am having a trouble creating a bootable Debian usb stick (in order to install it). I downloaded 'debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso ' from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/, and used "sudo dd if=/home/szulak/Downloads/debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdb" command to create usb stick |
| 11:43.53 | szulak1 | however, my BIOS (which is rather new, since it's few months old laptop) and probably works in UEFI mode, does not detect usb stick |
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| 11:44.38 | szulak1 | I've triet UNetBootin tool, but no success at all |
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| 11:48.35 | towo^work | szulak1, don't use unetbootin |
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| 11:48.43 | towo^work | simply use dd, cat or cp |
| 11:48.56 | szulak1 | I've used dd, and no success as well :/ |
| 11:49.56 | towo^work | szulak1, if you boot in uefi mode, the live-image does not work in uefi mode afaik |
| 11:50.11 | szulak1 | oO |
| 11:50.52 | szulak1 | so I should be using for ex., netinstall version |
| 11:50.53 | towo^work | so you could try in legacy/csm mode or use the installer-iso |
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| 11:52.36 | szulak1 | I've downloaded 'debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso', and going to try with this image. however, can I somehow specify during installation, which graphics environment to install? |
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| 11:53.30 | duggles | szulak1: yeah, you will be given a menu that has various desktop environments to choose from (off the top of my head there is XFCE, KDE, GNOME, probably others) |
| 11:53.41 | szulak1 | great! |
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| 11:54.47 | szulak1 | I've installed Ubuntu and been using it for days.. during one 3h 'session' of c++ development, gnome/compiz crashed 6 times |
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| 11:55.04 | szulak1 | thus, going to give Debian a try |
| 11:55.10 | duggles | I like KDE |
| 11:55.18 | duggles | others may like other DEs |
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| 11:56.10 | szulak1 | reboot, wish me good luck lol |
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| 11:57.17 | dagnagit | Kde is my favorite de. Feels very mature as well |
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| 12:15.20 | markvandenborre | anyone got an idea how to go from http://imgur.com/VXnsUfc |
| 12:15.30 | markvandenborre | back to full terminal screen? |
| 12:15.39 | markvandenborre | this somehow happened |
| 12:15.54 | duggles | your tmux is probably attached somewhere else |
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| 12:16.13 | duggles | detatch from your tmux session and use 'tmux a -d' to attach |
| 12:16.31 | duggles | (a is short for attach, -d detaches the session from everywhere else before you attach) |
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| 12:17.25 | markvandenborre | cool; thx |
| 12:17.33 | markvandenborre | everything perfectly ok again |
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| 12:18.49 | markvandenborre | duggles: probably because I used an ajax console to quickly pierce an airport firewall blocking ssh connections and did not detach from there |
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| 12:19.03 | markvandenborre | help much appreciated |
| 12:19.21 | linuxd | Hello World! |
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| 12:34.18 | azswa | Hi, any way to renice from top? |
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| 12:40.53 | redfast00 | How can I start a tmux session without attaching? I looked at the man page but haven't found a flag that does this. I'd like to have a tmux session start at boot. |
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| 12:45.06 | at0m | azswa: press r |
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| 12:49.24 | somiaj | redfast00: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/71372/using-tmux-on-boot-up-of-linux-centos that suggestion of using cron will also work on debian |
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| 12:50.04 | Langley | Hi, I have the problem that all Debian based distros occationally freeze on my desktop computer... Where would I go to get help with such a problem? |
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| 12:50.47 | somiaj | Langley: At the support of your main distro. You can try irc to get some help, but for your main distro if you find it is a bug file a bug report |
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| 12:51.32 | somiaj | Langley: note my expreince with debian (can't say about distros) is freezes a lot of the time were due to bad hardware (espically if running debian stable). It could be buggy software/kernel, but my experience is hardware is often the issue. |
| 12:51.36 | Langley | But isn't it a problem in Debian, if it's the same everywhere? |
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| 12:52.45 | ZIPY | hi, i used dd to create a bootable windows 10 usb stick, but somehow i cant boot from the usb, i always used dd and before win 10 it always worked |
| 12:52.49 | somiaj | Langley: part of the distro you choose is the support you get. Yes debian wants to know about these bugs, and if you want ot install debian and get some info you can file a bug with debian. |
| 12:53.37 | somiaj | Langley: I would first determine what it is that is causing your machine to crash. Look at the logs, try to figure out what piece of software is the problem. Does it only happen in xorg? If you have an ssh server running, after xorg freezes are you still able to ssh into your system or ping it (this means your system is still running just xorg or a program in xorg froze) |
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| 12:54.08 | towo^work | ZIPY, since win.isos are not isohybrid, i don't believe it has worked ever with dd |
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| 12:54.47 | somiaj | Langley: once you identify the culprit then file a bug report. I would suggest using the distro of your choice and their bug reporting methods. But debian welcomes good bugreports if you find an actual bug. AGain I would check dmesg and see if you have warnings or messages that would point to hardware issues. |
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| 12:55.25 | ZIPY | i installed xp, 7, 8 and 8.1 that way |
| 12:55.25 | ZIPY | dd if=iso of=usbstick |
| 12:56.00 | somiaj | ZIPY: this is #debian we do not support windows images. You should try ##windows |
| 12:56.13 | ZIPY | somiaj: ok i will, thx |
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| 12:57.18 | szulak1 | aww, 'Linux local 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6 (2015-11-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:57.18 | szulak1 | ' |
| 12:57.19 | szulak1 | finallu |
| 12:57.22 | szulak1 | finally* |
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| 12:58.29 | redfast00 | somiaj: yeah, but it doesn't specify what tmux command I should use. (I want to run it as root, so the init-scripts won't be a problem). |
| 12:58.47 | redfast00 | I want to start the program at boot and ssh in as root. |
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| 13:00.41 | Langley | I tried getting help in the Ubuntu forum but they couldn't really do anything... |
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| 13:01.28 | somiaj | redfast00: the one you would running from the command line I would imangine. |
| 13:01.41 | Langley | So I guess I need to install Debian and do testing there? Except Debian doesn't seem to be able to handle my dual monitor setup, ugh |
| 13:02.38 | somiaj | Langley: file a bug report with ubuntu, maybe the people in the irc channel can't do much help but bug reports do get addressed. |
| 13:03.10 | _geo | is there something i am missing when using $this->validate(...) , and it justs redirects back , without any errors/messages/whatesover |
| 13:03.18 | _geo | oops wrong irc |
| 13:03.20 | somiaj | Langley: again if you have an actual bug that is crashing, this should be reported. Determine what it is. If you use ubuntu, do what I suggested above then submit a bug report to ubunutu once you find the actual culprit. |
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| 13:04.41 | redfast00 | somiaj: that's the catch: if I run it from the cmd-line, it attaches to the session |
| 13:04.46 | somiaj | Langley: but as I said, my experience with debian stable is this is lots of times due to flaky harware. But I would first check to see if it is just xorg crashing and not your whole system (a second computer and connect over ssh or ping it is a good way to test this). If it is the computer crashing, keep an eye on dmesg and /var/log/messages to look for errors from hardware. |
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| 13:05.32 | somiaj | redfast00: have you tried it? |
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| 13:06.55 | redfast00 | no, but if it doesn't work and for some reason ssh doesn't start, I can't connect to the box anymore... |
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| 13:06.57 | jelly | redfast00: I haven't used tmux, but can't you give it a config file that will start a command in a session then detach? |
| 13:07.46 | jelly | screen reads and executes commands from the config file in a sequential manner |
| 13:08.18 | jelly | (then again, screen has cli parameters to start detached...) |
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| 13:19.58 | ijape | hello everyone, I'd like to create an image of sdb in the target partition sdc2. would this be the correct command: 'sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc2/mydisk.img bs=4M conv=sync,noerror,notrunc' ? |
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| 13:23.52 | redfast00 | ijape: i don't think so |
| 13:24.12 | redfast00 | where is /dev/sdc2 mounted? |
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| 13:27.57 | ijape | redfast00, hmm..I copied this command from my terminal, as I remember having used it a while ago. but wanted to be sure that it was the same case. /dev/sdc2 is mounted at /media/user/ |
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| 13:28.08 | petn-randall | ijape: /dev/sdc2/mydisk.img isn't a device. If you want to put the image on the /filesystem/ on /dev/sdc2, you need to mount that, then copy it to wherever it's mounted. |
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| 13:28.24 | petn-randall | ijape: In that case of=/media/user/mydisk.img |
| 13:29.13 | redfast00 | ijape: what petn-drandall is saying |
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| 13:33.45 | ijape | petn-randall, you're right! it makes perfect sense, but interestingly, I remember having applied the above command successfully, too?! |
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| 13:36.17 | ijape | so would it be like: 'sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/media/user/mypartitionname/mydisk.img bs=4M conv=sync,noerror,notrunc' ? |
| 13:36.41 | ijape | sorry, the mount point also contained the name of the partition |
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| 13:39.20 | redfast00 | ijape: it will probably work |
| 13:40.49 | ijape | redfast00, I hope it works! :) |
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| 13:42.27 | ijape | petn-randall, redfast00, thank you so much for your help, I'll start with it then |
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| 13:49.01 | tlolczyk | I installed proprietary video drivers for the GS210 on my machine, and now my tty font size has shrunk and I have bit been able to fix it. |
| 13:49.21 | tlolczyk | s/able/unable/ |
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| 13:49.47 | tlolczyk | Plus now toggle between tty and X is !@@# slow. |
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| 13:50.27 | redfast00 | tlolczyk: is it an option to remove the prop. drivers? ;) |
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| 13:51.09 | tlolczyk | redfast00, I don't think so. |
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| 13:51.59 | redfast00 | Why did you install them in the first place? |
| 13:53.02 | jelly | tlolczyk: GS210 ? |
| 13:53.07 | teraflops | tlolczyk: you mean the tty fonts are big and ugly? |
| 13:53.36 | jelly | does not sound like either amd or nvidia |
| 13:53.45 | teraflops | jelly: nvidia I think |
| 13:53.55 | jelly | GT210 would sound like an nvidia |
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| 13:54.25 | centrx | Is gnash any good yet? |
| 13:54.33 | tlolczyk | GS210 uis nvidia, |
| 13:54.49 | teraflops | tlolczyk: you mean the tty fonts are big and ugly? |
| 13:54.51 | tlolczyk | teraflops, too big. |
| 13:54.59 | teraflops | tlolczyk: what did you expect? nvidia blob does not do KMS |
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| 13:56.13 | jelly | tlolczyk: this is expected. Avoid the console and use it only if absolutely necessary... X ought to be fast enough now. |
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| 13:57.26 | jelly | tlolczyk: only the free drivers change the console mode into graphics with native resolution. You're seeing the default VGA 80x25 text mode, and there's no way to fix that when non-free nvidia drivers are in use. |
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| 14:01.33 | zykotick9 | jelly: <sidenote> i've historically, had _some_ success getting better resolution with nvidia drivers in console by using uvesafb & v86d |
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| 14:03.52 | uzgo | hello everyone, is it preferable to use testdisk on the image of a drive rather than itself? |
| 14:04.04 | jelly | zykotick9: while it may have worked, do you think either of the two drivers are aware of each other's tampering with the gpu? |
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| 14:04.41 | centrx | uzgo, If you are doing real forensic works yes |
| 14:04.42 | zykotick9 | jelly: i _highly_ doubt it. it was a "hack" and not a nice one... |
| 14:04.48 | uzgo | from the point that the hdd would remain untouched..or does testdisk not alter hdd when applied on it? |
| 14:05.09 | centrx | uzgo, You don't want to save the resulting files onto the same drive |
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| 14:05.49 | jelly | I'd used uvesafb with video-intel back when kms did not exist yet... yeah it worked, but it made the xorg driver and the system a lot more unstable |
| 14:05.58 | uzgo | centrx,no, no, I wont do that :) but just in case if I happen to have to repeat the process, I'd wish that the same disk would be there as at start. |
| 14:06.15 | uzgo | unaltered by testdisk run on it |
| 14:06.23 | jelly | uzgo: on the image, if you think the disk may be dying |
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| 14:06.46 | RoB0T1 | Hi All, I am trying to enable a network interface upon connecting the USB MODEM. I have setup allow-hotplug in network/interfaces but I am still not seeing anything happening. If I do ifup ppp0 that works fine. Is there something I am missing or misunderstanding ? |
| 14:06.58 | uzgo | jelly, no, the disk might not be dying (though it has 'one failing attribute' for ages) |
| 14:07.01 | jelly | uzgo: does testdisk write out data separately or does it change the source medium? |
| 14:07.36 | uzgo | jelly, I dont know. I think the answer also answers my question |
| 14:07.58 | jelly | uzgo: in any case, I'd keep at least one image intact. If testdisk writes stuff, make a second copy of the image |
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| 14:16.34 | uzgo | centrx, jelly, I think I will create an image. thank you for your help! |
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| 15:06.21 | Pupp3tm4st3r | hi, does anyone when a new apache2 stable version is available for debian jessie? |
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| 15:06.43 | Pupp3tm4st3r | we are currently using 2.4.10 but we need something above that -.- |
| 15:06.56 | jelly | Pupp3tm4st3r: never, stable does not get newer releases -- only security and critical fixes to the current version |
| 15:07.30 | Pupp3tm4st3r | so there is no option of getting anything newer except self compiling? |
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| 15:08.02 | jelly | Pupp3tm4st3r: unless someone already compiled a newer version and provided such a backport, that's correct |
| 15:08.11 | jelly | judd: v apache2 |
| 15:08.12 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u3; stretch: 2.4.17-2+b1; sid: 2.4.17-2+b1 |
| 15:08.25 | jelly | judd: checkbackport apache2 |
| 15:08.26 | judd | Backporting package apache2 in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 15:08.59 | jelly | Pupp3tm4st3r: you can try building jessie packages for 2.4.17 using the simple sid backport procedure |
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| 15:09.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell Pupp3tm4st3r about simple sid backport |
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| 15:20.40 | LordOtherGuest | Hi |
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| 15:21.48 | uzgo | hello everyone, to recover data, should I use testdisk on whole HDD image, or just on the partition where my data was previously stored? |
| 15:22.13 | uzgo | in other words, might other partitions somehow got involved? |
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| 15:23.40 | somiaj | uzgo: I'd proabaly scan one partition at a time. |
| 15:23.48 | moz1 | uzgo: i think just on the partition. |
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| 15:24.01 | somiaj | uzgo: unless you changed your parititon table and think your data is scataered across multiple partitions (which might make it harder to find) |
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| 15:26.32 | uzgo | somiaj, the reason of my question is that since I had this data problem, I logically tried to avoid touching the partition where the data has been before. but I used other partitions as I would normally, thinking that this would not affect the sectors / positions on the relevant partition. I hope I was right? in the same sense, I would apply testdisk only on the said partition |
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| 15:28.14 | uzgo | it is more correct not to say 'other partitions', because there is only one other partition than the one where the data was stored |
| 15:28.36 | uzgo | but no, I havent changed my partition table |
| 15:29.10 | uzgo | and as I just explained, I wonder if having used the second partition makes my data scatter across partitions |
| 15:29.31 | somiaj | uzgo: correct, provided you left the partition table alone and haven't done any writing to the file system on the partition in question it should still be in the state you left it. |
| 15:29.31 | uzgo | the second partition has another filesystem, as information |
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| 15:29.54 | somiaj | uzgo: no fragemtaiton would only occur within a filesystem which is restricted to a certain partition, you should be fine |
| 15:31.00 | uzgo | but, in several occasions, I had no choice but use the partition where the data has been. would this make the data spread on the second partition? |
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| 15:33.26 | uzgo | or would it nevertheless not have anything to do with the second partition? |
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| 15:35.18 | uzgo | somiaj, but maybe your last reply answers this question? |
| 15:36.03 | somiaj | uzgo: unless the drive itself is bad, writing to one partition should not effect another partition. |
| 15:36.23 | uzgo | somiaj, the disk has for months had |
| 15:37.14 | uzgo | 'one failing attribute', but it had no failures or data loss, and when I'd asked around back then, they said it wouldnt be a cause for alarm but I'd better keep an eye on it |
| 15:37.38 | uzgo | smart test has long been showing 'disk is OK, one failing attribute is failing |
| 15:37.41 | uzgo | ' |
| 15:37.50 | somiaj | uzgo: but recovery can be finiky. If your data is worth more than say $200 or so, you should probably have a prefessional do it. Though the software out there does a decent job at finding common file types if there isn't anything wrong with the disk itself. |
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| 15:39.05 | uzgo | somiaj, I can find my way around testdisk, I've recovered data with it before. to keep a certain level of safety, I'll work on the partition image |
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| 15:42.40 | uzgo | somiaj, moz1, thank you very much for your insights! |
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| 16:15.36 | uzgo | hello again! sorry, I have one more question. while creating the image, if the source partition is sda1, and the target partition is mounted at 'media/user/mypartition/mycopy.img', would it be correct to use this command: 'sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=media/user/mypartition/mycopy.img bs=4M conv=sync,noerror,notrunc' ? |
| 16:16.02 | uzgo | sorry, mounted at media/user/mypartition/ , of course |
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| 16:16.45 | mutante | uzgo: not sure about the conv= part, but you would have to start both pathes with / of=/media/... |
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| 16:18.02 | uzgo | mutante, both paths with 'of=' ? the first path should be 'if=', I guess?? |
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| 16:19.02 | greycat | uzgo: the point was of=/media/... not of=media/... unless you happen to be sitting in / which is not typically going to be the case |
| 16:19.02 | moz1 | uzgo: mutante means the path of 'if', it must be if=/media/... i guest :D |
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| 16:19.34 | uzgo | oh, sorry, that was a typo |
| 16:20.50 | uzgo | but when I was imaging a whole drive, I'd used 'if=/dev/sda' for example..without 'if=/media..' is it necessary now because I am imaging a partition? |
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| 16:21.46 | greycat | If it's a partition then you want if=/dev/sda1 or similar. Not a path to some mounted directory. |
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| 16:23.42 | uzgo | ok, so if=/dev/sda1 is correct..but the target should point at the mounted directory, right, like 'of=/media/user/mypartition/mycopy.img' (though it is a partition of another drive, too) ? |
| 16:23.58 | greycat | I missed the original question. What are you trying to do?> |
| 16:24.29 | greycat | If you just want to make a "backup" of a partition as a byte-image file in a directory, that will do it. |
| 16:24.39 | uzgo | greycat, I am trying to get the command right. I will create the image of a HDD partition in a partition of an external drive |
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| 16:24.58 | greycat | In a file, right? Not as a mountable copy on another raw partition? |
| 16:25.27 | uzgo | greycat, I'd like to use the image to run testdisk on it |
| 16:25.54 | greycat | I don't know what testdisk is. Does it mount a filesystem-in-a-file via loopback, or does it expect an actual partition? |
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| 16:27.26 | uzgo | greycat, I can say that I'd used drive images with testdisk a bit of long while ago, and I guess I'd created them in the same way, with this command. |
| 16:27.39 | greycat | Then you should be OK. |
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| 16:28.22 | uzgo | so this is correct, 'sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/media/user/mypartition/mycopy.img bs=4M conv=sync,noerror,notrunc' ? |
| 16:28.51 | greycat | I'm not sure about all of those conv options, but the basic input and output look OK. |
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| 16:29.34 | uzgo | ok, conv options have been recommended recently, so I guess they should be all right |
| 16:30.08 | uzgo | then I'll go about it..thank you all very much for your support! |
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| 16:33.05 | uzgo | ok, imaging started |
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| 16:35.35 | lubarch | what does this command mean "tune2fs -C 2 -c 1 /dev/sda1" |
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| 16:37.55 | mutante | lubarch: on next reboot the file system will be checked |
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| 16:39.42 | jelly | also, on every reboot after that unless -c is set again to a different value |
| 16:40.34 | jelly | lubarch: tune2fs has a manual page explaining the parameters, man tune2fs |
| 16:40.38 | TheSin | anyone here understand the kernel build system? I'm trying to figure out how I can build 2 archs and have the changes files work, when I build source, arch a, arch b, indep, the indep checksums don't match in the 2 changes files, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 16:44.57 | moz1 | waiting for the result of uzgo's progress, hoping it will success... |
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| 16:46.05 | uzgo | moz1, oh, it's progressing well so far :) |
| 16:46.11 | uzgo | thank you :) |
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| 16:50.34 | ueber | hi there |
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| 16:52.02 | ueber | I need to copy files from an old Sco Unix to Debian with rcp |
| 16:52.24 | ueber | I could I rcp without password? |
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| 16:52.47 | greycat | If you're initiating the rcp on the Debian system, with the SCO being the server, probably. |
| 16:53.16 | ueber | greycat: rcp from Sco to Debian |
| 16:53.28 | greycat | Those ancient crap unix systems allow passwordless access pretty easily. |
| 16:53.53 | greycat | *Why* do you have to use rcp? |
| 16:54.49 | ueber | greycat: because on Sco I've got rcp, no scp |
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| 16:55.38 | greycat | No FTP? No NFS? |
| 16:55.48 | ueber | no I need rcp |
| 16:56.13 | greycat | Well, INITIAITE IT FROM DEBIAN and on the SCO box put the correct entry in ~/.rhosts to allow passwordless entry from the Debian host. |
| 16:56.33 | greycat | If Debian allows passwordless rcp via ~/.rhosts then I will be saddened. |
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| 16:57.18 | ewew | If its not secure then why is it in debian ? |
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| 16:58.23 | ueber | greycat: I don't need security for this, I only need to execute rcp without password from Sco to Debian |
| 16:58.51 | greycat | So do as I suggested. ON THE DEBIAN BOX, rcp scobox:filename ./ |
| 16:59.03 | greycat | Having set up the SCO box to permit passwordless entry. |
| 16:59.42 | greycat | Or see if Debian's remshd (or whatever it's called if Debian even HAS one) allows full-on-stupid legacy .rhosts access. |
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| 17:02.47 | fgfday | any1 knows where 2 find linux with only kernel + X Server with DRM/DRI ? |
| 17:03.53 | fgfday | pref on a SquashFS live iso, i can inst. pkgs as i want |
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| 17:09.07 | teclo- | fgfday: you can build that with Debian Live for instance |
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| 17:12.47 | ueber | greycat: I get this error: ssh: connect to host scobox port 22: Connection refused |
| 17:13.03 | greycat | You're using ssh instead of rcp. |
| 17:13.31 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 4 09:55 /etc/alternatives/rcp -> /usr/bin/scp |
| 17:13.43 | greycat | You need to find the stupid-ass legacy version. |
| 17:14.54 | greycat | You have searched for files named rcp in suite jessie, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 17:14.57 | greycat | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 17:15.27 | greycat | You might need to transfer the files to an intermediate host like Solaris that has rcp/rsh stuff, and which can get ssh or NFS up and running to send the files to Debian. |
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| 17:17.08 | ueber | greycat: I don't find any rcp on debian8 |
| 17:17.11 | greycat | Hmm, apt-cache tells me there is an "rsh-client" package. And also rsh-server, but dear gods. |
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| 17:18.06 | greycat | Well, if you want to try the Debian rsh-server package and see if it will permit passwordless access, go for it. |
| 17:18.22 | greycat | I am not going to install it. |
| 17:18.29 | ueber | greycat: what do you suggest? |
| 17:18.30 | bierdieb | Hello. Someone with expiriences with the (damed) gigabyte bxbt 1900 barebone? ive got some problems shutting down the system. |
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| 17:18.56 | greycat | Seriously, does your SCO box not support NFS client or server operatiosn? |
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| 17:19.22 | lord_rob | stop bashing sco unix please, don't forget that they invented Linux |
| 17:19.27 | lord_rob | hides |
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| 17:19.56 | ueber | greycat: any idea how could I check it on sco ? |
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| 17:20.11 | greycat | Gods, so you don't actually KNOW what it can and can't do.... |
| 17:20.26 | ueber | I know that there's no scp there |
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| 17:20.38 | x032cx | sco has rcp and so you can rcp from the debian box - but what a setup |
| 17:20.40 | greycat | So play with rsh-client or rsh-server. |
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| 17:21.18 | ueber | x032cx: yes it has rcp |
| 17:21.36 | x032cx | man rcp |
| 17:21.56 | greycat | He has to install the rsh-* packages on Debian first. He's using the ssh versions currently. |
| 17:22.09 | ueber | x032cx: Sco has rcp but Debian does not |
| 17:22.18 | greycat | ,info rsh-client |
| 17:22.20 | judd | Package rsh-client (net, extra) in jessie/amd64: client programs for remote shell connections. Version: 0.17-15; Size: 33.1k; Installed: 132k |
| 17:22.37 | x032cx | am not sure why here debian has rcp |
| 17:22.48 | ueber | x032cx: I need to rcp from Sco to Debian |
| 17:22.52 | greycat | Is everyone ignoring both me *and* judd?! |
| 17:23.27 | x032cx | ueber:you need to rcp from debian to sco - easy |
| 17:23.39 | greycat | The CLIENT can be the RECEIVER. |
| 17:23.58 | greycat | As long as the client knows what file name to grab on the server. |
| 17:24.04 | at0m | greycat: like ftp! #must die |
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| 17:25.26 | ueber | no, I need to send /tmp/*_imp files from one to the other |
| 17:25.52 | greycat | So the list of filenames is so long that you can't manually type them on the Debian system? |
| 17:26.01 | greycat | How many files are you talking about? |
| 17:26.11 | ueber | about 40 files |
| 17:26.13 | greycat | Oh, wait. Can you just TAR IT ALL UP into a single file on the SCO box? |
| 17:26.24 | greycat | And then grab that one file? |
| 17:27.06 | ueber | greycat: yes probably I could do that |
| 17:27.07 | greycat | I am trying anything, anything, anything to avoid having you install rsh-server on Debian. Because that is the worst solution. |
| 17:27.25 | ueber | there's no way to receive all /tmp/*_imp files ? |
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| 17:27.35 | greycat | Install rsh-client, use it to grab the file. |
| 17:27.51 | greycat | I don't know if you can specify a remote glob in rcp. I haven't used rcp in like twenty fucking years. |
| 17:28.03 | ueber | rsh-server on Debian is the worst solution for security or what? |
| 17:28.09 | greycat | Yes. |
| 17:28.34 | greycat | You do not want there ever to be any window of time during which people can spoof an IP address and get into your Debian system without a password. |
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| 17:29.17 | ueber | rcp scobox:/tmp/*_imp ./ could work? |
| 17:29.23 | greycat | I have no idea. |
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| 17:31.49 | ueber | it's working ;) |
| 17:32.28 | ueber | with the great rsh-client :) |
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| 17:33.14 | fgfday | why isnt there a distro with only Xorg and DRI installed? |
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| 17:34.06 | ueber | even if the best option would be to send them from sco, with password |
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| 17:34.21 | x86_64 | does haveged give entrophy to /dev/urandom? |
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| 17:35.34 | frostschutz | x86_64, /dev/random and /dev/urandom essentially use the same entropy |
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| 17:35.55 | frostschutz | so: yes |
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| 17:37.12 | x86_64 | k |
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| 17:40.07 | ueber | greycat: there's a backup task on sco which should copy files to debian, this is why I'd prefer to start it from sco, because debian does not know when files will be available |
| 17:40.42 | at0m | x86_64: read more here https://blog.cloudflare.com/ensuring-randomness-with-linuxs-random-number-generator/ |
| 17:41.16 | at0m | frostschutz: actually, /dev/random stops generating if entropy is too low. /dev/urandom otoh does not stop generating. |
| 17:41.21 | at0m | see link ^ |
| 17:42.34 | at0m | especially around 3rd last paragraph |
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| 17:43.41 | OneST8 | at0m, that's an awesome link thanks |
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| 17:45.21 | greycat | ueber: this isn't a one-time thing? This is something you intend to SET UP AND RUN IN PERPETUITY?! |
| 17:45.33 | greycat | The SCO box isn't going into the rubbish bin? |
| 17:46.09 | at0m | x86_64: tl;dr, any added source only increases entropy |
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| 17:47.14 | ueber | greycat: this should work for some years |
| 17:47.39 | ueber | not perpetuity :) |
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| 17:48.08 | greycat | In *THAT* case I would pursue getting ssh on the SCO box instead. |
| 17:48.52 | greycat | But if you want to take the easy way out, you can continue on the rsh path. |
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| 17:49.16 | ueber | greycat: there's no ssh there, and it's not possible to install from internet.... |
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| 17:49.35 | greycat | Because...? |
| 17:49.41 | spiko | Hi all can i get some help please - running `netwatch -i enp3s6` crashes netwatch but I would like to run it... i get some output - http://pastebin.com/VbWUpDpZ |
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| 17:52.40 | mrtesty | my laptop just frooze with black screen and made a fan noise and powered off itself |
| 17:52.45 | mrtesty | where should i look for logs? |
| 17:52.47 | mrtesty | I am back up |
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| 17:54.03 | somiaj | mrtesty: you can check /var/log/messages for kernel messages |
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| 17:54.32 | Papey | or type dmesg in a term |
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| 17:55.09 | somiaj | that won't show logs from his crash, only contains the current kernel buffer |
| 17:55.12 | mrtesty | Papey, kindly show me how? |
| 17:55.34 | mrtesty | somiaj, how should I sort kernel messages? |
| 17:55.36 | mrtesty | from it |
| 17:55.40 | mrtesty | its too huge |
| 17:55.45 | Papey | how oops, not enougth backlog |
| 17:56.25 | somiaj | and it only contains the log since he booted. If it looged any kernel messages before the lock up it would be in /var/log/messages |
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| 17:56.59 | somiaj | though if it was an issue where the fan started going as fast as it could then it shut itself off. That is the mobo shutting itself off, maybe to over heating. |
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| 17:57.27 | somiaj | i.e. crashes usually don't result in the machine powering down unless some safty feature of the mobo is triggered |
| 17:57.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | somiaj: your heat sink is not firmly attached to your cpu. |
| 17:57.37 | ueber | greycat: I'm trying rsh-server on debian, rcp from sco is giving this error message: Permission denied |
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| 17:58.27 | greycat | Well? Did you configure ~/.rhosts on the destination user to permit passwordless entry from what it perceived as the IP/hostname of the client? |
| 17:58.42 | greycat | Sometimes the tricky part is figuring out WHAT it thinks the client's name is. Usually you can look in a log file or something. |
| 17:58.52 | mrtesty | somiaj, how do I grep today's messages from it? |
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| 17:59.15 | greycat | Also I weep for you poor Debian box, left vulnerable for years because you refused to pursue any solution but the worst one. |
| 17:59.24 | somiaj | mrtesty: I don't know what you would be looking for. I'd just start at the bottom and look up until you see the start of the boot you just did, and then slightly above it. |
| 17:59.37 | ueber | greycat: for root on debian .rhosts should be on / ? |
| 17:59.58 | greycat | YOU DO NOT DO THIS AS ROOT, YOU IDIOT |
| 17:59.59 | ueber | or /root/.rhosts ? |
| 18:00.21 | ueber | greycat: please.... this is an experiment |
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| 18:00.55 | n0t | An experiment into having government agents visit you because you were serving child porn to the whole world? |
| 18:01.05 | n0t | Because that could be a potential reaction to your actions |
| 18:01.07 | mrtesty | somiaj, grep shutdown? or crash? |
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| 18:01.24 | ueber | no, it's a VM at home |
| 18:01.36 | ueber | please people, don't be paranoic :) |
| 18:02.07 | ewew | What is going on here ? Looks like trouble. |
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| 18:02.18 | somiaj | mrtesty: crashes don't usually do that. Again I think the mobo shut itself down due to heat. But just less the log and look at the time stamp. Go to right before it was booted up after the crash. See if anything look relevent |
| 18:02.31 | n0t | Unless your on a host-only network, you do NOT want to be doing that as root..if at all. |
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| 18:02.48 | n0t | s/your/you're |
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| 18:03.20 | ewew | ueber Shout out your root password on the street or credit card number. |
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| 18:03.42 | ueber | however, lets assume I need to make it access with username "user" |
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| 18:04.50 | ueber | so /home/user/.rhosts ? |
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| 18:05.56 | ueber | greycat: /home/user/.rhosts ? |
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| 18:09.11 | nebg | hello everyone i have an asus laptop... i installed gdm3 and xfce4 but have problems with brightness... |
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| 18:09.39 | nebg | i can increase it with Fn+F6 everything ok but when i decrease with Fn+F5 |
| 18:09.41 | nebg | <nebg> it just goes down a level--- and nothing more...and then after some minutes it automatically dims...why this brightness management is so fucked up ? |
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| 18:11.07 | ueber | greycat: /home/user/.rhosts ? |
| 18:11.27 | fgfday | how do i setup systemd-networkd wireless ubuntu? i only get no-carrier and configuring on networkctl |
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| 18:12.28 | teraflops | ubuntu? |
| 18:12.48 | ueber | teraflops: debian8 |
| 18:12.58 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.58 | jordanm | !tell fgfday about ubuntu |
| 18:14.47 | mrtesty | somiaj, @^@^@^@^@^@^@^ my computer was running fine and then @^@^@^@^@^@^@^ happens as per logs and then I restart |
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| 18:19.08 | fgfday | hehe :) |
| 18:19.19 | mrtesty | why hehe? |
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| 18:20.48 | fgfday | !tell mrtesty hehe |
| 18:21.56 | mrtesty | What is @^@^@^@^@^@^@^ in errors? |
| 18:22.00 | mrtesty | What does it mean? |
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| 18:22.34 | greycat | ^@ is sometimes used to represent the NUL byte (ASCII value 0x00) |
| 18:22.46 | fgfday | dpkg: No, fgfday, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 18:22.47 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, fgfday |
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| 18:23.43 | x86_64 | guys uh |
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| 18:24.13 | x86_64 | debian just remounted my harddisk (in which contains the whole system) readonly |
| 18:24.21 | x86_64 | i can't do much :\ |
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| 18:24.57 | x86_64 | some coup? |
| 18:25.01 | x86_64 | :\ |
| 18:25.15 | greycat | Look for errors in dmesg. Get new disk, copy data over. |
| 18:25.45 | x86_64 | most likely disc is dying? :\ |
| 18:25.49 | greycat | Look for errors in dmesg. |
| 18:26.43 | tharkun | Is the wheezy to jessie transition painful? Are there known bugs that should be address prior to the leap of faith? |
| 18:26.53 | x86_64 | lots of errors, greycat; but i cant seem to pastebin them at all |
| 18:27.05 | x86_64 | irc is the only access to the internet i can have right now |
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| 18:27.53 | x86_64 | but i did take some photographs, im uploading them from my phone |
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| 18:28.34 | at0m | dpkg: tell tharkun about wheezy->jessie |
| 18:29.45 | x86_64 | greycat: imgur.com/HOJvePm |
| 18:29.53 | x86_64 | http://imgur.com/HOJvePm |
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| 18:30.01 | x86_64 | i can't save those logs as text |
| 18:30.15 | at0m | x86_64: maybe dmesg | grep re-mounted |
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| 18:30.26 | greycat | I think O should be 0 |
| 18:30.34 | greycat | http://imgur.com/H0JvePm gives me a non-imgur-error |
| 18:30.54 | x86_64 | hm |
| 18:31.05 | x86_64 | yes sorry |
| 18:31.28 | greycat | It certainly appears to be complaining about SATA disk ata1 |
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| 18:32.19 | x86_64 | theres more further in that log |
| 18:33.03 | Yukiteru | greycat, your disk is slowly dying :/ |
| 18:33.13 | greycat | Is not mine. Is x86_64's. |
| 18:33.13 | x86_64 | you mean mine? |
| 18:33.57 | x86_64 | http://imgur.com/5cuSd8t |
| 18:34.17 | greycat | Don't make us read your errors for you. Read them yourself. Are they disk errors? Yes? Then the disk is dying. |
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| 18:34.33 | greycat | Get new disk, copy over whatever you can salvage from the old disk. |
| 18:34.49 | x86_64 | okay, sorry for being such an asian. okay i shall |
| 18:35.02 | x86_64 | for now, night |
| 18:35.11 | TeddyB | I recommend trying to use ddrescue to make the new disk image |
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| 18:35.43 | TeddyB | that is if the data on the drive is valuable. if it's just the OS your probably better just saying screw it and fresh install |
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| 18:36.18 | greycat | You should also have some backups. Those may suffice. |
| 18:36.38 | at0m | TeddyB: single partition installation |
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| 18:37.32 | TeddyB | aye at0m, did I miss something? I would think that there could be storage drives or the like present. |
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| 18:38.19 | at0m | <x86_64> debian just remounted my harddisk (in which contains the whole system) readonly |
| 18:38.19 | tharkun | Sorry misshap got session nuked. Anyway. The factoid does not state any caveats to be aware off. And in my experience there allways are. |
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| 18:38.38 | TeddyB | the point I was getting at was with I/O errors ddrescue is best for that kind of recovery, that is if you actually want to recover the data. but that if it's just OS it can be flushed. was a generic suggestion |
| 18:39.29 | at0m | sure :) |
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| 18:40.05 | TeddyB | I joined, I suspect, just past that statement at0m: * nmschulte has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 18:40.05 | TeddyB | <x86_64> but i did take some photographs, im uploading them from my phone |
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| 18:41.19 | mrtesty | kernel: [46745.012659] thermal thermal_zone0: critical temperature reached(100 C),shutting down |
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| 18:41.25 | mrtesty | I found this error |
| 18:41.28 | mrtesty | what does it mean? |
| 18:41.54 | greycat | It does not seem confusing. |
| 18:41.57 | teraflops | mrtesty: it does mean exactly what is says |
| 18:42.00 | teraflops | :P |
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| 18:42.09 | teraflops | it* says |
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| 18:42.23 | TeddyB | but either way, he should be running the disk image to a secondary disk anyways, so I would shut down til such time that disk is available (assuming you can, uptime isn't an issue) and then ddrescue the readonly disk to image? is there something about ddrescue that I am missing that would make this a bad idea or not work? just curious... |
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| 18:42.45 | TeddyB | Your getting too hot mrtesty |
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| 18:42.49 | doda | whats up with openvpn.service having ExecStart=/bin/true? |
| 18:42.59 | teraflops | aka on fire TeddyB |
| 18:43.17 | mrtesty | greycat, teraflops I know but my laptop is brand new it came with ubuntu and I installed Debian, and I don't know, it happened for the first time in like 1 month of using it, I am scared now |
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| 18:44.28 | greycat | Are there environmental factors that might have contributed to overheating? Was it on your lap, or a table? Is it in a very hot room? |
| 18:44.51 | mrtesty | not that much |
| 18:44.54 | tharkun | Did you leave any papers on top of the keyboard? |
| 18:44.57 | greycat | Next, was the fan going full speed, or did it not kick on at all? Could the failure have been that the fan did not trigger when it should have? |
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| 18:45.15 | TeddyB | you say you just bought the laptop a month ago mrtesty? was it new?? do you use it physically on your lap a lot or an surface otherwise not conducive to good air flow? |
| 18:45.22 | mrtesty | greycat, could it also happen when you do not reboot after an upgrade? |
| 18:45.29 | mrtesty | how do I check what I upgraded last? |
| 18:45.40 | mrtesty | my laptop is on 20x7 |
| 18:45.46 | mrtesty | only sleeps when I sleep |
| 18:45.48 | mrtesty | :) |
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| 18:46.02 | mrtesty | sometimes is on too even when I am sleeping |
| 18:46.09 | teraflops | mrtesty: find out why is getting hot, is the cpu locked at top speed, fans with no space to breath? playing high specs games? and so on |
| 18:46.26 | TeddyB | if the computer isn |
| 18:46.28 | TeddyB | isn |
| 18:46.38 | ewew | Do you have dust in where you work ? |
| 18:46.48 | TeddyB | dang it... isn't brand new. likely needs a blow job. would be a good place to start |
| 18:46.49 | mrtesty | teraflops, I think it is my bad use of my laptop, I am using it like 20 hours a lot, and sure it is a bit dusty |
| 18:47.02 | mrtesty | also I don't play games |
| 18:47.21 | mrtesty | but i guess and hope something to do with upgrade or lack of support for Haswell |
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| 18:47.36 | TeddyB | I leave my laptop on 24/7 a good bit of the time. and it can have heat issues, if it's like middle of summer and hot otherwise. but in general they are made to run non-stop |
| 18:47.53 | mrtesty | ok |
| 18:48.00 | teraflops | mrtesty: hmm, have you considered a cooling pad or something like that? |
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| 18:49.13 | at0m | mrtesty: i clean fans and airpaths roughly annually - are you confortable opening it up and cleaning it inside? |
| 18:49.36 | mrtesty | I would consider some of things you guys told me |
| 18:49.46 | mrtesty | teraflops, I have one buy I never used it, since its brand new laptop |
| 18:50.03 | at0m | oh brand new. so no dust clogging then |
| 18:50.19 | TeddyB | are you technically inclined mrtesty? not trying to be offensive. but trying to gauge, are you comfortable with stripping and cleaning a laptop (if you have NO experience with such, and/or have NEVER worked on the innerds of a desktop you are NOT prepared to strip and clean a laptop..) |
| 18:50.55 | TeddyB | hehe, sorry at0m, you beat me to it. but I'm a wall of text kinda guy. LOL |
| 18:51.01 | at0m | :) |
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| 18:52.21 | ewew | Does it downclock the cpu when not using 100% |
| 18:52.57 | mrtesty | wpasupplicant:amd64 2.3-1+deb8u1 2.3-1+deb8u3 |
| 18:53.14 | mrtesty | TeddyB, no iam not inclined |
| 18:53.26 | mrtesty | I think I did not reboot since last 40+ hours |
| 18:53.29 | TeddyB | yeah, if it's BRAND new, I would prob. try something like checking with the laptop manufacturer. They will likely require you to restore the system to factory specs and OS before taking the RMA, but it could just be something faulty in the system itself or a bad thermal paste job or the like. how long did you run it with the stock ubuntu install? trying to gauge if you used it long enough to see the issue in that system. |
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| 18:54.09 | TeddyB | if your under warranty don't disassemble ANYTHING... |
| 18:54.25 | mrtesty | TeddyB, I know :) |
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| 18:56.02 | teraflops | mrtesty: also check cpu and temp from time to time and check if cpu freq scales ok |
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| 18:56.33 | teraflops | ah, and do not use flash :P |
| 18:56.46 | otirc | Just switched to debian from ubuntu mate. Wow, never used a system that felt so stable, and awesome performance. Think I've finially found my distro |
| 18:57.29 | centrx | claps |
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| 18:58.27 | mrtesty | teraflops, I use free software only, Debian Main repo only |
| 18:58.32 | mrtesty | I don't know what went wrong |
| 18:58.52 | mrtesty | I think it could be only one thing, that I did upgrade some package |
| 18:58.55 | mrtesty | and forgot to reboot |
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| 18:59.13 | mrtesty | wpasupplicant:amd64 |
| 18:59.38 | mrtesty | I upgrade it @ 10 in the morning and did not do anything about it until 11 hours after it crashed |
| 18:59.46 | somiaj | mrtesty: it could be hardware and having nothing to do with software. Maybe the fan just went bad, do you hear it running like normal? |
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| 19:01.21 | mrtesty | somiaj, my laptop did feel a bit slow 30 mins before the crash, I thought it was a glitch and then continued using it, and all of sudden it froze, and fan made this HIGHnoise for 1-2 secs and it was all off then |
| 19:01.22 | mrtesty | :) |
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| 19:02.17 | somiaj | everything you say sounds like overheating. debian crashing would not shut your computer down (it would continue to run) unless something like overheating were to occur and the mobo shutitself down. |
| 19:02.46 | synchris | check psu voltage sometimes psu are semi-dead but no indication |
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| 19:03.04 | at0m | sensord will shut down machine if temp exceeds set limits |
| 19:03.20 | at0m | but that's not crashing, just graceful shutdown |
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| 19:03.40 | somiaj | I think this is the mobo shutting down. If it starts to happen more reguarly pay attention to the heat of the machine |
| 19:03.49 | mrtesty | I don't know |
| 19:03.52 | mrtesty | synchris, how? |
| 19:04.01 | mrtesty | is there package to check the CPU temp? |
| 19:04.05 | at0m | mrtesty: run sensors to read actual values |
| 19:04.08 | synchris | sensors show everything |
| 19:04.14 | synchris | from temp to voltage |
| 19:04.21 | synchris | i had a similar problem with platinum psu |
| 19:04.36 | mrtesty | senors? |
| 19:04.36 | synchris | was shutting down because of low 5VSB voltage |
| 19:04.42 | synchris | lm_sensors |
| 19:04.42 | mrtesty | it is not there |
| 19:04.48 | synchris | is the package name. |
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| 19:06.16 | TeddyB | Your BIOS should be able to give you at the moment operating CPU Temp |
| 19:06.22 | mrtesty | synchris, requires root to run? |
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| 19:06.45 | TeddyB | Which is less helpful than an In OS solution, but thought I would mention it |
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| 19:10.47 | mrtesty | guys |
| 19:10.55 | mrtesty | What do I do to make my PC mad? |
| 19:10.57 | mrtesty | or hot |
| 19:11.00 | mrtesty | :) |
| 19:11.12 | mrtesty | https://paste.sh/awsT26Gl#o6j91zQd3ZSW2ptd2dBQGyIp |
| 19:11.15 | mrtesty | right now it is ^ |
| 19:11.17 | mrtesty | chill |
| 19:11.25 | mrtesty | I think I have found the problem |
| 19:11.32 | mrtesty | it was not my Processor |
| 19:11.37 | mrtesty | it was virtual-0 |
| 19:11.46 | mrtesty | What is Virtual Device? |
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| 19:25.16 | at0m | mrtesty: on my machine, the motherboard temp sensor |
| 19:25.25 | at0m | i think :) |
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| 19:26.19 | at0m | cos i see 2 cpu's, and one 'virtual' which is one °C off |
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| 19:27.11 | mrtesty | what should I do to make my PC heavily working? |
| 19:28.18 | greycat | calculate pi to 6 billion digits, 8 times, in parallel? |
| 19:29.06 | hayer | browse some porn, that should make it heat up. |
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| 19:29.16 | somiaj | mrtesty: compile something big like a kernel with multithreading can do the trick. 3d gaming does the trick |
| 19:29.51 | deego | mrtesty: apt-get install stress |
| 19:29.52 | mrtesty | greycat, how? |
| 19:29.54 | mrtesty | give me command please |
| 19:30.00 | mrtesty | deego, really? |
| 19:30.01 | deego | and other stress* apps |
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| 19:30.19 | mrtesty | omg stress is a pkg |
| 19:30.28 | greycat | bc -l <<< 'scale=1000; 4*a(1)' |
| 19:30.29 | TeddyB | I was gonna suggest bitcoin or aircrack-ng |
| 19:30.34 | greycat | increase scale to however many places you want |
| 19:30.34 | deego | mrtesty: or you could just run emacs |
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| 19:30.53 | mrtesty | greycat, it did in <0.24sec |
| 19:31.02 | mrtesty | deego, how does we run stress? |
| 19:31.02 | greycat | Add more scale. |
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| 19:33.37 | mrtesty | stress -c 4 -m 2 -d 1 -t 40s |
| 19:33.39 | mrtesty | doing this |
| 19:33.40 | mrtesty | :) |
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| 19:33.47 | Nerdin | hoi |
| 19:33.52 | henkie123 | nerdin |
| 19:33.55 | henkie123 | lol |
| 19:33.57 | henkie123 | Nee |
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| 19:36.19 | mrtesty | omg stress-ing does increase the temp |
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| 19:38.44 | at0m | poof |
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| 19:40.48 | abrotman | mrtesty: there's another tool, cpuburn. Be warned, I've destroyed hardware with it |
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| 19:41.24 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:43.43 | mrtesty | abrotman, I am uninstalling stress too |
| 19:43.54 | mrtesty | it is not working right for modern systems |
| 19:44.51 | mrtesty | deego, do you think stress works right? |
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| 19:45.22 | mrtesty | at0m, did you stress your system too? |
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| 19:45.59 | at0m | mrtesty: i'm not running in any such problems and don't want any such either, so no :) |
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| 19:47.34 | at0m | fyi, current Core0 +41.0°C |
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| 19:56.06 | mrtesty | at0m, TeddyB greycat no matter what do with stress it won't go beyond 60 |
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| 20:14.53 | SpeakerToMeat | Hello |
| 20:15.19 | SpeakerToMeat | Question, is therer any package set built, or an easy way, to change Jessie from Libav to ffmpeg? |
| 20:15.34 | SpeakerToMeat | I know they're trying to do it for stretch but I need ff on jessie. |
| 20:15.52 | SpeakerToMeat | And I want to try and avoid a hell of having to make a load of fake packages, to do an install from source |
| 20:16.09 | jelly | ,v ffmpeg |
| 20:16.10 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:2.8.1-1+b1; sid: 7:2.8.1-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.4-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.8.1-dmo3 |
| 20:16.21 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: there's a ffmpeg in jessie-backports. |
| 20:17.13 | somiaj | is debian going back to ffmpeg or going to support both ffmpeg and libav (think I got it correct) |
| 20:17.31 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: There's one on debian-multimedia, but it would seemingly be using/based on Libav instead of libav* |
| 20:17.57 | jelly | !dmm |
| 20:17.57 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 20:18.00 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: Well afaik Libav and libav* are not easy to use alongside. not without heavy changes |
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| 20:19.25 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: I did read a bit of a mailing list talking about this, and how to make them live side by side, to switch back to ffmpeg or to keep libav. I wans't sure what the resolution was. |
| 20:19.32 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: however I'm not sure what your actual goal is. If it's using ffmpeg tools, you can have that. If it's using libav{format,codec}* libraries from other packages like mpv or vlc, that won't work without rebuilding |
| 20:19.33 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/07/msg00001.html |
| 20:19.54 | somiaj | So unsure if the goal in stretch is to have them both or to just replace libav and debian says, oopps, chose the wrong fork. |
| 20:20.03 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: I want to use the ffmpeg libav* not the Libav ones |
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| 20:20.35 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: no way to do that within jessie using packages available from debian |
| 20:20.43 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: ahh, yea I didn't see the resolution. Last I checked it was still in the discussion phase. |
| 20:21.07 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: what is your end goal for this? Could it be done in a chroot? |
| 20:21.07 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: So, I will need to make a hell load of placeholders |
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| 20:22.12 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: use stretch. |
| 20:22.52 | jelly | which apps do you need to work with ffmpeg libs? |
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| 20:24.07 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: 99% just the ffmpeg cli |
| 20:24.26 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: so why not run a stretch chroot, this way your main system is stable. |
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| 20:24.39 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: you can match those 99% with ffmpeg from jessie-backports. |
| 20:25.02 | SpeakerToMeat | Stupid question, how can I install a backports package in aptitude unsing the ncurses interface and not the non interactive call? |
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| 20:25.11 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: I'll do so, thanks |
| 20:25.19 | somiaj | SpeakerToMeat: if you have jessie-backports in sources.list, apt-get -t jessie-backports foo |
| 20:25.19 | SpeakerToMeat | somiaj: I might do that as well |
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| 20:25.29 | jelly | somiaj: that's the non-ui way |
| 20:25.45 | SpeakerToMeat | Yeah, and that works with aptitude too, but in non-ui manner. |
| 20:25.50 | Tsutsukakushi | mrtesty: what good is the LPS if you can't even access their webpage :/ |
| 20:25.56 | SpeakerToMeat | Maybe doing a version list for the package? |
| 20:25.59 | Herpes_ | SpeakerToMeat: jelly: in the package info, last line shows versions |
| 20:26.12 | SpeakerToMeat | Herpes_: Ok, so that'll work. thank you |
| 20:26.17 | Delaware_corp | hello all, how do I specify a dns nameserver these days with networkmanager and resolvconf in the mix? this is a laptop with kde installed. or I would rip out both and use the interfaces file.. Thanks. |
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| 20:27.27 | somiaj | Delaware_corp: multiple apps try to write to resolv.conf. I would just specify it in your network-manager gui. If for some reason other apps are fighting over controll of resolv.conf there is the package resolvconf or openresolv which will give some additional tools to better manage resolv.conf |
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| 20:27.32 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: Oh, and I have libav*-ffmpeg on backports. Sweet |
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| 20:27.43 | mrtesty | Tsutsukakushi, http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm |
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| 20:28.27 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: you do not have to care about those explicitely if you just install the "ffmpeg" package from jessie-backports |
| 20:28.28 | Tsutsukakushi | mrtesty: You don't have permission to access /lipose.htm on this server. |
| 20:29.24 | teraflops | Delaware_corp: with openresolv you just put your nameserver ip in /etc/resolvconf.conf |
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| 20:30.00 | SpeakerToMeat | I wonder, not as a pressure, but has there been any discussion about a time frame for stretch? |
| 20:30.10 | kqr | i don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'm giving it a shot. the YouTube HTML5 player sets my system sound volume to 100% when it starts playing. is this a known problem with an easy solution? |
| 20:30.57 | Delaware_corp | Thanks for the reply. I do have a nameserver specified in NM gui but its not making it way into resolv.conf.. wont /etc/resolvconf.conf get overwritten by NM when I change networks? |
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| 20:31.33 | SpeakerToMeat | kqr: In reality the one doing the playing is the browser. the html5 controls are just javascript accessess to built in funct... not that this helps you, but... it might help you search |
| 20:32.03 | SpeakerToMeat | kqr: If it's firefox, there might be (MIGHT) a setting for default volume in firefox's settings (don't change stuff in there randomly, it can bork your ff). |
| 20:32.10 | SpeakerToMeat | let me see. |
| 20:32.44 | kqr | SpeakerToMeat, in this case the browser is a very niche one (uzbl), so I'm afraid it'll be hard to find anything more |
| 20:32.51 | kqr | i might have to go back to firefox I guess |
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| 20:33.26 | SpeakerToMeat | kqr: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/35jyda/html5_vs_flash_player_youtube_volume_levels/ |
| 20:33.49 | aliencat | I cannot joing #debian-next for whatever reason |
| 20:33.49 | kqr | yeah I found that, wrong browser unfortunately |
| 20:33.54 | somiaj | kqr: due to security concerns in libwebkit (or whatever uzbl might be based on). I woudl suggest the ones the have security support. |
| 20:34.05 | somiaj | aliencat: wrong network, it is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:34.08 | greycat | aliencat: it's on the OFTC network |
| 20:34.12 | SpeakerToMeat | kqr: Check what engine it's using. If the mother engine (chrome's wathever the name for webkit is now, or firefox's gecko) has a method, it might be possible to implement the same method to your browser, even if it's with changing a line of source code |
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| 20:36.28 | kqr | SpeakerToMeat, thanks. I'll check with #uzbl first although I don't have high hopes for activity there any time soon : |
| 20:36.30 | kqr | ) |
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| 20:36.49 | kqr | somiaj, I couldn't quite understand that |
| 20:37.40 | somiaj | kqr: on debian only chromium and iceweasel have any security support. The smaller browers that are built on libwebkit won't have any. |
| 20:37.55 | kqr | ah |
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| 20:38.11 | somiaj | kqr: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
| 20:38.30 | kqr | the problem with firefox for me is that currently pentadactyl does not seem to support the jessie version of firefox |
| 20:38.33 | kqr | s/firefox/iceweasel/ |
| 20:38.39 | jelly | !mdn |
| 20:38.39 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 20:38.42 | kqr | there was a workaround but I haven't gotten to that yet |
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| 20:39.11 | mancomunado | I'm having problems with systemd not automatically booting, forcing me to type "startx" at a second ctrl+alt+f1. Could anyone help me? |
| 20:39.22 | somiaj | kqr: jessie only has the esr release, if you need something newer use the factoid linked. |
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| 20:39.46 | kqr | ...i think I need something *older* |
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| 20:40.03 | kqr | but uzbl isn't working out for me at the moment so I'll hack the pentadactyl stuff to accept the newer firefox |
| 20:41.28 | somiaj | kqr: older with browsers meanse be careful were you tread. (: |
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| 20:42.21 | kqr | haha yes, I'm going to try to hack pentadactyl to accept my browser |
| 20:42.33 | kqr | friend reported success with that |
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| 20:43.02 | kqr | ...can I just check though, which version of iceweasel can I expect in jessie? |
| 20:43.42 | somiaj | ,v iceweasel |
| 20:43.44 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 38.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.4.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.4.0esr-1; jessie- |
| 20:43.45 | judd | backports/iceweasel-release: 42.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 42.0-1 |
| 20:43.57 | somiaj | kqr: the esr is version 38 |
| 20:43.59 | kqr | ah good |
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| 20:44.16 | somiaj | note that I think is only supported for about a year, it will change when firefox makes its next esr release |
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| 20:45.09 | greycat | judd really needs to sort the output by release name or something |
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| 20:45.25 | kqr | the version of pentadactyl I got from my friend seems to be good for a while though. thanks all! |
| 20:45.34 | kqr | I can keep running iceweasel for a while |
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| 20:47.19 | intore | hi, about xrandr command, someone could explain the wht it accepts option --output LVDS --above (or --below) VGA-0 and not using --left-of or --right-of? the error message in those cases is xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 2944x1080) |
| 20:47.53 | Delaware_corp | I got my dns stuff worked out by putting the server I want in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf.. I am still unclear on how networkmanager, dhclient, and resolvconf interact.. on a server I would add this to the interfaces file for resolvconf to pickup. |
| 20:47.53 | intore | hi, about xrandr command, someone could explain the wht it accepts option --output LVDS --above (or --below) VGA-0 but not using --left-of or --right-of? the error message in those cases is xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 2944x1080) |
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| 20:48.34 | somiaj | greycat: maybe have something like --release but instead of having to specificy jessie vs jessie-security vs jessie-backports, it would list all releases for jessie. |
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| 20:48.57 | somiaj | intore: xrandr -q (look at that output, it should tell you the max size allowed) |
| 20:49.43 | somiaj | Delaware_corp: I would assume network manager would either just allow dhclient to set the dns, or override that by a setting and then it would activally set it itself, but not positive. |
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| 20:51.59 | Delaware_corp | yeah thats how I imagined it worked, but the static IP's I added in NM are not being written to resolv.conf. odd.. if this doesnt work I will put a sed line in cron :P |
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| 20:53.53 | greycat | Delaware_corp: I don't use NM, and my solution was to remove the line that says "domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name," from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf so that the DHCP client never touches resolv.conf at all. |
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| 20:54.39 | somiaj | Delaware_corp: do you have resolvconf installed? |
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| 20:55.14 | somiaj | I got a google hit that says that is what nm uses to set dns ip |
| 20:55.43 | teraflops | Delaware_corp: nohook resolv.conf in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf prevents the dhcpcd daemon from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:57.19 | husknewb | Im pretty new to linux and have been attempting to get this to work for a while. I am trying to install https://acd-cli.readthedocs.org/en/latest/setup.html this on a debian 8.2 box that i am only a user. No root. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:57.46 | intore | hi somiaj, thanks. About VGA-0, the maximum is 1024x768 but trying the command xrandr --output VGA-0 -s 1024x768 --left-of LVDS it gives the same errore message |
| 20:57.59 | somiaj | intore: that is not what I asked for |
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| 20:58.06 | Delaware_corp | somiaj yes I have that installed. apparently isc-dhcp-client suggests it |
| 20:58.28 | somiaj | well suggests aren't installed automatically. But anyways, then I'm unsure what the issue is. |
| 20:58.52 | intore | ok somiaj, maybe i didn't understand |
| 20:59.00 | somiaj | intore: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192 (my max size is 8192x8192) so as I put differnt monnitors left-of, --right-of etc I cannot go beyond that max. I was wondering what it said your maximum was |
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| 20:59.54 | Delaware_corp | ok, if its not part of the desktop install task I will remove it.. (I installed Debian from another distro with debootstrap) |
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| 21:00.33 | furap | hello everyone, can you help me know how to compare checksum hashes of a drive and its image file, to know whether they are identical? |
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| 21:01.26 | greycat | sha1sum /your/device /your/image/file |
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| 21:01.39 | furap | greycat, only this one line? |
| 21:02.06 | PadawanLearner | furap: i guess you should use the device file and the image file and compare the hashes |
| 21:02.32 | furap | PadawanLearner, how do you mean 'use' ? |
| 21:02.54 | furap | greycat, are you sure? |
| 21:03.11 | intore | somiaj: this is my output: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1848, maximum 1920 x 1920 |
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| 21:03.22 | PadawanLearner | furap: greycat gave you a nice example |
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| 21:04.15 | furap | ok, so I insert the device as /dev/sdb and the path of the image file, right? |
| 21:04.19 | somiaj | intore: so due to how xorg was started you cannot put mutiple displays such that your max horiztonal or vertical is bigger than 1920 |
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| 21:05.47 | intore | so somiaj, do i have to modify something on xorg configuation? |
| 21:06.09 | somiaj | intore: I'd check your /var/log/Xorg.0.conf file and see what driver is being loaded. could be you are just using the generic vesa driver |
| 21:06.45 | furap | PadawanLearner, the device like /dev/sdb and then the path of the image file, right? |
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| 21:07.53 | somiaj | intore: do you haev an xorg.conf file at all? |
| 21:08.05 | intore | the problem somiaj is that i haven't that file! |
| 21:08.26 | intore | somiaj: only logs files |
| 21:09.22 | somiaj | intore: that is good, put your Xorg.0.log file at paste.debian.net |
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| 21:10.20 | furap | greycat, I applied the command and it has not given an output for 5 minutes now |
| 21:11.29 | furap | and the target partition's drive is not blinking. |
| 21:11.40 | furap | while the source drive blinks |
| 21:12.10 | greycat | I don't know what "source" and "target" mean to you. It will read your arguments in the order you used, so only one of them is being read at any given moment. |
| 21:12.18 | greycat | If you wanted parallel reads, that would be a slightly more complex command. |
| 21:12.32 | somiaj | intore: my guess is you are not loading the correct kms drivers for your card so you may need to fiddle with it, but lets see your log file to see what is being detected. |
| 21:13.13 | furap | greycat, I did 'sudo sha1sum /dev/sdb /media/user/partition/copy.img' is that correct? |
| 21:13.30 | furap | /dev/sdb is the disk copied, and copy.img is its image |
| 21:13.31 | furap | file |
| 21:13.53 | greycat | It will give you two lines of output, eventually. |
| 21:14.13 | greycat | You can open a new terminal and try sha1sum on two smaller files to see the format. |
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| 21:14.57 | furap | greycat, but the external drive of the image file is not blinking, as if there is no process going on. while the copied source disk blinks |
| 21:15.24 | greycat | Then it's reading the blinky one. |
| 21:15.25 | furap | so it is because the other one is not being read yet, as you said? |
| 21:15.29 | furap | oh ok |
| 21:15.35 | furap | I just saw your reply |
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| 21:16.25 | furap | greycat, does it normally take long? it hasnt given any output yet |
| 21:16.32 | intore | ok somiaj, thanks, but paste.debian.net doesn't allow me more than 150kB of length. Is enough the tail? |
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| 21:16.58 | greycat | It takes however long it takes to read all of the bytes of the pathname that you specified. |
| 21:17.45 | furap | the blinking one is /dev/sdb, and it's 320gb |
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| 21:18.37 | IPv4_IPv6 | :|Hi: How do I disable IPv6-mapped to IPv4 traffic? |
| 21:18.37 | greycat | Well, it'll probably take a couple hours to read 320 GB from a SATA disk. Maybe longer if it's USB? Dunno. |
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| 21:19.07 | furap | greycat, oh my gosh. it'd take shorter to create the image again |
| 21:19.09 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: what problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 21:19.31 | greycat | ... no, it would take exactly the same amount of time |
| 21:19.40 | somiaj | intore: can you restart your xorg server. I need the initializaiton stuff. You must have been running xorg for a long time with lots of warnings for the log file to be that big. |
| 21:19.52 | furap | greycat, is it ok if I interrupt it |
| 21:19.53 | furap | ? |
| 21:19.56 | greycat | Yes. |
| 21:20.14 | IPv4_IPv6 | Dagger: IPv6 traffic maps to IPv4; I want all mapped traffic dropped. |
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| 21:22.08 | Dagger | are we talking the ::ffff:<v4addr>-style addresses here? |
| 21:22.11 | Hello71 | wha... mapped... |
| 21:22.16 | IPv4_IPv6 | There must be someway to filter IPv6 mapped to IPv4 traffic. |
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| 21:23.47 | IPv4_IPv6 | yes ::ffff:0:0/96 I do not need it & I do not want it tunneling through |
| 21:24.10 | quantic | It's not a tunnel mechanism. |
| 21:24.11 | Dagger | ok, so that's v4 traffic being handled with the v6 socket APIs |
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| 21:24.16 | Dagger | the traffic is all v4 on the wire |
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| 21:24.55 | IPv4_IPv6 | quantic it is translated somehow isn't it |
| 21:25.11 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: No. It's just a v6-format-friendly way of rendering a v4 address. |
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| 21:25.33 | IPv4_IPv6 | either way I do not want it NO ::ffff:0:0/96 |
| 21:25.37 | Hello71 | what is "it" |
| 21:25.42 | IPv4_IPv6 | How do I filter it |
| 21:26.14 | Dagger | `iptables -I INPUT -j DROP` will filter the on-wire traffic that's leading to that |
| 21:26.15 | intore | i'm sorry somiaj, i'm having some problem to restart it, wait a moment please! |
| 21:26.20 | Dagger | but that's... probably not what you want |
| 21:26.29 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: you don't, and you don't need to. |
| 21:26.31 | IPv4_IPv6 | Hello71: IPv6 mapped to IPv4 traffic |
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| 21:26.46 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: you need to understand what it is, first. |
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| 21:30.21 | Dagger | (I guess I should mention net.ipv6.bindv6only=1) |
| 21:30.46 | quantic | Dagger: no, you shouldn't. let's not enable people to change things they don't understand. :P |
| 21:30.58 | IPv4_IPv6 | Dagger: that is the conclusion I came to too - it is all ip4 |
| 21:31.14 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: don't mess with it. |
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| 21:31.29 | Dagger | quantic: the alternative is going to end up being "disable v6", which is worse than breaking v4 connections to a few services |
| 21:31.30 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: It doesn't need to be changed. You're not receiving IPv6 traffic. |
| 21:31.41 | quantic | Dagger: No, the alternative is "functions as designed, don't mess with it." |
| 21:32.02 | IPv4_IPv6 | quantum: I say no to all IPv6 in this particular networks this s doable, how? |
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| 21:32.18 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: Okay, how can I phrase this so that you understand? You aren't receiving IPv6 traffic. At all. |
| 21:32.28 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: Your OS is ipv6-aware. That's it. |
| 21:32.46 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: Again, stop trying to fix something that is not a problem. Do not mess with it. |
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| 21:33.27 | IPv4_IPv6 | if it does not work on IPv4 then it does not |
| 21:33.29 | intore | here i am somiaj, using sudo service gdm3 restart i had black screen and i rebooted the pc. Now xorg.0.log is empty! |
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| 21:33.49 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: Learn WHAT something is before labeling it as an issue and trying to muck it up. |
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| 21:34.23 | IPv4_IPv6 | quantic: established |
| 21:34.38 | IPv4_IPv6 | established has a meaning |
| 21:34.45 | G66k | hello everyone |
| 21:35.18 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: Then you'll realize that you aren't receiving or sending IPv6 traffic, and therefore have already satisfied your (quite inane) no-IPv6 requirement and therefore do not need to mess with it. |
| 21:35.31 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: Congratulations. :) |
| 21:35.51 | G66k | im using jessie , i suspect there is weird bug , everytime i used burpsuite it automaticly log me out to login screen |
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| 21:40.49 | IPv4_IPv6 | Dagger: disable v6 works ok. this stuff morphs into v4 |
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| 21:41.29 | PadawanLearner | IPv4_IPv6: you want to disable ipv6 on your box? |
| 21:41.29 | Dagger | it already was v4 |
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| 21:41.34 | Dagger | and you don't want to disable v6 |
| 21:41.42 | Dagger | that's going to make it quite a bit harder to deploy v6 |
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| 21:42.16 | IPv4_IPv6 | v6 is disabled. |
| 21:42.31 | quantic | Bad idea. |
| 21:43.26 | PadawanLearner | i used to have ipv6 disabled |
| 21:43.30 | timothywcrane | simple ? installing Libraries (EFL) and libpam is a dependency. libpam is not found in repo (Wheezy for other reasons) can not find anything libpam without libpam-* extended to compile. Is it calling for PAM? |
| 21:43.33 | kqr | SpeakerToMeat, if you are curious, I managed to get the problem with the HTML5 player solved. the problem was that pulseaudio defaults to "flat volumes", which means that if the volume slider on the HTML5 player is set to 100%, then pulseaudio will also set the system volume slider to 100% |
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| 21:43.40 | IPv4_IPv6 | ::ffff:0:0/96 pass through as of it were not disabled (not netmask in address) |
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| 21:44.21 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: dude. It's not "passing through." Again, you need to understand stuff before trying to mess with it. |
| 21:44.38 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: It's an internal representation of an ipv4 address. |
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| 21:45.35 | IPv4_IPv6 | I am not interested in deploying v6; I do not want ip traffic that uses/used v6 to pass through |
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| 21:45.51 | timothywcrane | stuck till I fulfill this dependency? |
| 21:46.22 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: you still need to be deploying it, whether you're interested or not |
| 21:46.29 | Dagger | and you really don't need another roadblock in the way of doing that |
| 21:47.14 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: Stop messing with it. Seriously. |
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| 21:47.19 | IPv4_IPv6 | looking for a simple solution to network filtering |
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| 21:48.18 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: You're looking for a bad solution to a nonexistent problem. |
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| 21:48.49 | IPv4_IPv6 | dropped ports pass through to ::ffff WHY? |
| 21:49.22 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: Stop asking the same questions expecting a different answer. |
| 21:49.44 | quantic | IPv4_IPv6: You don't understand what you're looking at, and you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Give it up and stop messing with it. |
| 21:49.46 | Dagger | is *that* the actual problem? that you can't get your firewall to work? |
| 21:50.01 | IPv4_IPv6 | quantic: then how do connexions establish on rejected ports to ::ffff |
| 21:50.10 | Dagger | in which case post `iptables -S`/`ip6tables -S` and maybe we can fix the problem |
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| 21:50.26 | thomas_d | where is wheezy? http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 21:50.44 | greycat | It's not archived yet. It's still oldstable. |
| 21:50.51 | thomas_d | ah lol thanks |
| 21:51.33 | IPv4_IPv6 | Dagger firewall works |
| 21:51.54 | Dagger | so... what's the problem? |
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| 21:52.54 | IPv4_IPv6 | tcp6 established |
| 21:53.19 | somiaj | intore: so your xorg is not starting corectly now. I have to go, maybe someone else can help |
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| 21:54.04 | IPv4_IPv6 | ip6tables INPUT OUTPUT FORWARD -j REJECT |
| 21:54.12 | furap | greycat, thank you for your help! have a good night / day! |
| 21:54.34 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: from what you've said, it sounds like your problem is that your firewall isn't doing what you want. so post your firewall rules and I'll see if I can see the problem |
| 21:54.57 | thomas_d | wait I still can't find it it's not here either http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 21:55.39 | ewew | thomas_d http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 21:55.43 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: and what about `iptables -S`? |
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| 21:55.53 | ewew | thomas_d oops |
| 21:55.53 | IPv4_IPv6 | google searches don't give much on this topic either |
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| 21:57.40 | thomas_d | Gah... why is this such a ball ache lol... shouldn't this be easy :\ |
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| 21:57.55 | ewew | thomas_d http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ |
| 21:57.55 | thomas_d | I just want a light netinst iso image of debian wheezy |
| 21:58.28 | thomas_d | Ah yes |
| 21:58.30 | thomas_d | thanks ewew |
| 21:58.53 | thomas_d | so it was in some "archive" hmmm |
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| 21:59.08 | ewew | thomas_d I used google. |
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| 21:59.29 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: ok, since you don't want to post them, I'm going to just go ahead and guess that you haven't blocked the relevant traffic in iptables |
| 21:59.54 | IPv4_IPv6 | ip6tables -S -P INPUT DROP |
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| 21:59.56 | quantic | so, he wants help, but won't post the data we need to help? |
| 22:00.38 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: that's ip6tables. it's v4 traffic, isn't it? we need to see the v4 firewall rules |
| 22:00.54 | IPv4_IPv6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.06 | Dagger | ok, that's a yes. post the v4 rules |
| 22:01.36 | quantic | yeah, as we've been saying, you're not receiving v6 traffic. ip6tables won't do much for v4 traffic. |
| 22:01.59 | teraflops | quantic: he wont give us the keys to the kingdom |
| 22:02.21 | quantic | teraflops: oh noes. |
| 22:03.13 | awer_ | 2~ |
| 22:03.53 | greycat | imadev:~$ host 31.13.222.109 |
| 22:03.53 | greycat | 109.222.13.31.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer hitchcock.freenode.net |
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| 22:04.42 | greycat | That's an IPv4 address, but for some reason you're looking at it from a tool that reports it as if it were IPv6. When it isn't. |
| 22:05.04 | Dagger | greycat: he's looking at it from netstat, which reports the (remote, in this case) IP of the socket |
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| 22:05.06 | IPv4_IPv6 | so no-one here knows how to filter mapped traffic |
| 22:05.11 | IPv4_IPv6 | tcp6 |
| 22:05.19 | IPv4_IPv6 | established |
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| 22:05.24 | Dagger | which can be in the format ::ffff:<v4addr> if the socket is actually talking to a v4 host |
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| 22:06.10 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: the traffic is v4. `iptables -I OUTPUT -d 31.13.222.109 -j DROP` will drop packets to that IP |
| 22:06.12 | IPv4_IPv6 | Dagger: tcp6 is NOT tcp |
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| 22:06.31 | greycat | Funny, none of the lines in *my* netstat output look like that. They all have a protocol name, two integers, a source, a destination, and a status field. |
| 22:06.32 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: yes it is. it's TCP on an AF_INET6 socket |
| 22:06.35 | IPv4_IPv6 | to that up |
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| 22:07.47 | IPv4_IPv6 | to that up I want it dropped all across to board; how to filter mapped traffic anyone? |
| 22:07.47 | Dagger | greycat: I guessed it was copied from netstat, anyway |
| 22:07.56 | Dagger | clearly not unmodified |
| 22:07.57 | greycat | If he's only showing partial lines, it's not very useful. |
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| 22:08.14 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: `iptables -I INPUT -j DROP` and `iptables -I OUTPUT -j DROP` |
| 22:08.16 | IPv4_IPv6 | netstat :-( |
| 22:08.25 | Dagger | again, I'm not sure you really want to do that, but that's what you're asking for |
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| 22:08.49 | greycat | It's gonna be hard for him to talk to us if he drops all the packets to his Freenode server. |
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| 22:10.24 | IPv4_IPv6 | simple computer terms: drop mapped traffic |
| 22:10.44 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: I gave you the commands |
| 22:10.45 | IPv4_IPv6 | and ip6 has been around for how long |
| 22:11.04 | Dagger | we also pointed out that this traffic is v4. you can check with tcpdump if you don't believe us |
| 22:11.10 | intore | somiaj: thank you very much, it runs!!! |
| 22:11.33 | IPv4_IPv6 | Dagger: noted thank you, but your command will drop all traffic |
| 22:11.59 | IPv4_IPv6 | I want to drop ip6 mapped to ip4 traffic |
| 22:12.02 | Dagger | IPv4_IPv6: yep. you asked for it |
| 22:12.17 | Dagger | the traffic is v4 traffic. you need to use iptables to drop it |
| 22:12.27 | Dagger | and if you want to drop all of it... I gave you the commands to do that |
| 22:12.43 | dondelelcaro | IPv4_IPv6: what exactly are you trying to drop, anyway? |
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| 22:12.52 | IPv4_IPv6 | just the mapped traffic |
| 22:13.00 | dondelelcaro | IPv4_IPv6: what do you mean by "mapped traffic"? |
| 22:13.16 | greycat | I think he must be running some kind of v4-to-v6 tunnel. |
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| 22:13.25 | greycat | Maybe. Of course he won't fucking TELL US anything. |
| 22:13.27 | Dagger | dondelelcaro: he thinks some of his v4 traffic is actually being exchanged with v6 packets, and he wants to block those |
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| 22:13.39 | IPv4_IPv6 | drop ip6 mapped to ip4 traffic all across the board, not just to particular hosts |
| 22:13.57 | Dagger | (dondelelcaro: but it's not being exchanged with v6 packets; it's using v4 packets) |
| 22:13.58 | dondelelcaro | IPv4_IPv6: what do you mean by "ip6 mapped to ip4 traffic" |
| 22:14.03 | IPv4_IPv6 | jingle jingle |
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| 22:14.20 | Dagger | greycat: no, he's not |
| 22:14.52 | Dagger | greycat: v4-mapped addresses are a way to talk to v4 hosts using AF_INET6 sockets. they look like ::ffff:<v4addr>, which is what he's seeing here |
| 22:15.12 | c0mrad3 | how to charge my phone when laptop is in sleep mode ? |
| 22:15.21 | greycat | Oh, so it's just to allow your software that's written for IPv6 to talk to IPv4... |
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| 22:15.45 | greycat | wonders what kind of software is written for IPv6 but not for IPv4... never seen such a thing in real life. |
| 22:15.49 | somiaj | intore: yea the free radeon driver works way better if you have the non-free firmware. |
| 22:15.54 | Dagger | greycat: yep... well, the main reason is to make it easier to port software that can only listen on one socket it a time |
| 22:16.10 | IPv4_IPv6 | https://www.google.com/search?q=mapped+ip6+to+ipv4+traffic |
| 22:16.17 | Dagger | without v4-mapped addresses, you'd have to rewrite the software to listen on multiple sockets, which can often be tricky |
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| 22:16.24 | dondelelcaro | IPv4_IPv6: I know how to operate a search engine. What do you mean by it? |
| 22:16.27 | Dagger | with these, you only need the one listener socket |
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| 22:17.07 | arkano | hi |
| 22:17.19 | intore | ok somiaj, i don't undertand the why my desktop is different now (applications panel and behaviour in general) |
| 22:17.31 | Dagger | greycat: it's a bit unusual to see them on client connections. I think it probably suggests some sillyness in the program's socket code |
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| 22:17.37 | somiaj | intore: are you using gnome? |
| 22:17.41 | Dagger | client/outbound |
| 22:18.00 | timothywcrane | would downloading and installing Linux-PAM-1.1.7 fulfill my libpam dependency? (Need libpam for Enlightenment Foundation Library) |
| 22:18.10 | somiaj | intore: basically you can now take advantage of your gpu, so things will look/run smother than doing it all via software rendering. |
| 22:18.20 | intore | somiaj: i think yes! |
| 22:18.20 | greycat | timothywcrane: you want libpam0g-dev |
| 22:18.30 | timothywcrane | the only place I could even find that was from LFS (Linux from scratch) |
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| 22:18.39 | somiaj | ,v libpam0g-dev |
| 22:18.41 | judd | Package: libpam0g-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1.1-6.1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.1.1-6.1+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.1.3-7.1; stretch: 1.1.8-3.1; sid: 1.1.8-3.1; jessie: 1.1.8-3.1 |
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| 22:19.19 | somiaj | timothywcrane: 1.1.8 should work for a 1.1.7 dependency, things usually try to retain some backwards compadability (not always though) |
| 22:19.20 | greycat | timothywcrane: when compiling things on Debian, you need packages of the form lib*-dev |
| 22:19.24 | timothywcrane | love you for that... ;) |
| 22:19.30 | greycat | timothywcrane: apt-cache search --names-only lib whatever dev often helps. |
| 22:19.39 | arkano | any one knows how to link empathy with GOA (gnome online accounts) |
| 22:19.43 | timothywcrane | on with the show (throwing flowers) |
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| 22:21.17 | intore | well somiaj, now there is not the customization i did before |
| 22:21.50 | intore | somiaj: i don't understand why |
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| 22:23.28 | somiaj | intore: maybe you configured a fallback mode (though I thought gnome got rid of that) and now that you have your gpu you have to configure it again |
| 22:23.32 | somiaj | intore: unsure though |
| 22:23.37 | somiaj | I odn't use the gnome |
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| 22:27.47 | intore | somiaj: what do you mean saying "now that you have your gpu"? what is the difference than before using radeon drivers? |
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| 22:28.23 | somiaj | intore: you didn't have any acceelration so you weren't able to use fancy visual effects and many deskops use those by default now |
| 22:28.41 | somiaj | intore: it was due to not getting the full features of yor gpu due to hmissing the firmware. |
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| 22:29.32 | intore | ok, i understand somiaj, thank you very much |
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| 22:33.02 | abferm | hey guys, I use a debian repository that only has amd64, but my computer is multi-arch. This causes apt-get update to freak out. Can I specify the architecture for the repository in my list file? |
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| 22:34.07 | dondelelcaro | abferm: yes, with arch=amd64, arch=i386 etc. |
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| 22:34.25 | dondelelcaro | abferm: man sources.list; for details. |
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| 22:36.19 | somiaj | deb [arch=] mirror |
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| 22:38.02 | tharkun | kernel:do_IRQ: 1.138 No irq handler for vector (irq -1) What does that mean? |
| 22:38.29 | ewew | tharkun Does the computer work properly ? |
| 22:38.38 | tharkun | So good so far. |
| 22:39.08 | ewew | tharkun Any other messages before/after this line ? You can post contents of dmesg to pastebin. |
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| 22:40.23 | tharkun | ewew: none whatsoever. dmesg output is a bit complicated to paste. I only have VNC access so I'd have to manually copy it. What should I be looking for? |
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| 22:41.37 | Nickwiz | Anyone using vim 7.4 with pathces 1-488 (debian build) ? |
| 22:42.04 | tharkun | ewew: cmd_alloc returned NULL! |
| 22:42.13 | ewew | tharkun Lines telling you that something is wrong. It is possible that system is informing you that something is not properly functioning, but not is wrong. |
| 22:42.16 | tharkun | Repeated like a gazillion times. |
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| 22:43.01 | ewew | tharkun check /proc/interrupts |
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| 22:44.24 | Nickwiz | Trying to track a bug. Would be nice if anyone could test if it is local to my system before I start compiling |
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| 22:44.42 | somiaj | Nickwiz: is the bug something you can reproduce from a console? |
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| 22:45.08 | Nickwiz | somiaj: I'll test. |
| 22:45.37 | somiaj | Nickwiz: I was just going to suggest if it is, building yourself a clean chroot with debootstrap is a way you can test if it is a configuration issue or not (though this won't help if the issue is your hardware/kernel) |
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| 22:47.33 | Nickwiz | somiaj: yes, it present itself in both vim and gvim |
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| 22:50.26 | Nickwiz | I get it by: 1. Open vim. 2. <I>foo<enter>bar<esc><I><backspace><space> , complete freeze. |
| 22:51.04 | Nickwiz | I know where the issue is (in source) and can escape it by using gdb. But not sure where it originates. |
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| 22:51.55 | ewew | Dont know if its possible. But why not try with strace. |
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| 22:56.00 | furap | hello everyone, I have a problem with photorec. on terminal it shows lots of files recovered, but in file manager they're not shown |
| 22:56.07 | Nickwiz | ewew: I have tracked it down to this routine: https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/src/getchar.c#L4495 |
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| 22:56.46 | Nickwiz | Issue is that the function gets called with mincol = MAXCOL, which in turn is max int. |
| 22:57.08 | ewew | Nickwiz Ok. The file the bug report for debian. |
| 22:57.22 | Nickwiz | As a result the ptr + mincol wraps around and ptr is always bigger then p. |
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| 22:58.29 | Nickwiz | But not sure why it is called with bad value for maxcol. Have partially tracked it back, but some of those functions are HUGE. |
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| 23:00.13 | Nickwiz | ewew: Yes, thought so. But thought I first try to pinpoint the issue a bit more. |
| 23:00.30 | Nickwiz | First step was to ask if anyone else had same issue with same version ... |
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| 23:11.09 | tharkun | ewew: Checked there and the file seems to be whole. I'm googling around and it seems it has to do with some piece of hw installed on the server. I'm reducing time between backups and hoping for the best. Thanks |
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| 23:12.04 | ewew | tharkun Can trace when this message started to appear ? |
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| 23:16.29 | jessequinn | I am having issues installing teamviewer i386 via gdebi. I get a "Failed to satisfy all dependencies (broken cache)". Can anyone help? |
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| 23:24.26 | jessequinn | nvm. figured it out. |
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| 23:31.55 | SpeakerToMeat | Hello |
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| 23:33.33 | SpeakerToMeat | Are there any tools that will help me with making packages from git pulls, for a system that doesn't have a ~/debian but for which a very very recent (last stable) dsc and debian.tar.gz exists? |
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| 23:34.44 | SpeakerToMeat | the idea is, I pull git, apply the stable's ~/debian and test patches in general and that it builds... and then these tools will help me changing version numbers when I do new git pulls, and retest patches, to be able to build an installable via upgrade set of packages after each new pull |
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| 23:39.43 | kdog | SpeakerToMeat: sounds like some bash scripting is in order, but I don't do package builds |
| 23:40.10 | SpeakerToMeat | Hmm ok. thanks |
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| 23:52.29 | DrManhattan | How do I force a resync of a software raid array? |
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