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| 00:04.24 | simonlnu | ha, my favourite android rom |
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| 00:10.21 | ppparadox | Hello, i can't get net.ipv6.conf.eth0.autoconf to be 1 upon reboot, more details here https://goo.gl/mmy8Em [unix.stackexchange.com] |
| 00:10.34 | iWaldo | hey all, i found a great intro to networking that presents the topic in a very clear way (from my point of view). i've dabbled a bit in the past but nothing has made the basic concepts as clear as this: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 00:10.47 | iWaldo | ppparadox, well timed! |
| 00:11.17 | ppparadox | lol |
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| 00:12.24 | iWaldo | i dunno if the article will help with your specific issue (i'm only about halfway through), but it's a great read imo |
| 00:13.02 | iWaldo | i just scrolled to the bottom and there are some sections related to configuration |
| 00:13.14 | iWaldo | they might be a bit outdated, though |
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| 00:13.44 | ppparadox | iWaldo: how come? |
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| 00:13.57 | simonlnu | ppparadox: /etc/sysctl.d |
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| 00:14.46 | ppparadox | grep -iR 'autoconf' /etc shows every autoconf line =1 |
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| 00:16.43 | cherubino | what is the error message "resolv.conf not found" all about? |
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| 00:16.56 | cherubino | while the file exists |
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| 00:18.12 | ppparadox | cherubino: where is that error message coming from? |
| 00:18.28 | ppparadox | also, file permissions? |
| 00:18.30 | larcom | cherubino: whats the path to your resolv.conf? And ^ |
| 00:18.35 | cherubino | happens at boot time |
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| 00:19.24 | ppparadox | so dmesg? |
| 00:19.39 | cherubino | file is at /etc/resolv.conf; permits are all "rwx" |
| 00:20.38 | ppparadox | perms should be 644 |
| 00:21.05 | ppparadox | have you tried actually accessing and modifying the file? |
| 00:21.18 | ppparadox | purging and re-installing resolvconf? |
| 00:21.26 | cherubino | "dhclient: could not restore resolv.conf: no such file or directory" |
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| 00:22.45 | ppparadox | restoring resolvconf is the job of the pppd-dns daemon, if you have it. |
| 00:23.16 | larcom | cherubino: do ls -hal /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:23.46 | cherubino | pppd exists |
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| 00:24.33 | cherubino | "-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 73 2014-03-29 00:09 /etc/resolv.conf" |
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| 00:25.17 | cherubino | larcom: ^^ |
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| 00:25.22 | larcom | cherubino: chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:25.41 | cherubino | larcom: but it already has all rwx |
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| 00:26.44 | ppparadox | try disabling pppd-dns and the error should disappear, what problems did it entail anyway? |
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| 00:27.48 | larcom | cherubino: The file does not need to have 777 permissions. |
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| 00:28.18 | ppparadox | cherubino: is /etc on the boot device? Also try disabling pppd-dns and the error should disappear, what problems did it entail anyway? |
| 00:28.25 | cherubino | ppparadox: who knows? sometimes my video streaming crashes . . . is that a consequence? |
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| 00:29.01 | cherubino | ppparadox: yes, /etc is on boot device |
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| 00:29.39 | cherubino | PPPoE is in use |
| 00:29.58 | cherubino | disabling pppd-dns might hork it |
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| 00:30.35 | ppparadox | cherubino: ok you don't want to disable it since you're using ppp. What kind of crash are you getting? The browser crashes? |
| 00:31.08 | cherubino | ppparadox: yes, and Youtube sometimes freezes |
| 00:31.32 | ppparadox | well i don't think that is a resolvconf issue |
| 00:31.32 | larcom | what.. i thought you said you are getting this on boot? |
| 00:32.05 | cherubino | larcom: the error msg happens at boot time; crashes happen at use time |
| 00:32.27 | larcom | cherubino: is this a new install? |
| 00:32.33 | ppparadox | anyway try disabling pppd-dns anyway: it says it is used to "restore" resolv.conf in case of crash... sounds kind of useless... |
| 00:32.45 | cherubino | larcom: not new install |
| 00:33.20 | cherubino | ppparadox: ok; i'll try that |
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| 00:34.05 | cherubino | thanks guys . . . errands call |
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| 00:34.16 | ppparadox | Meanwhile I can't get net.ipv6.conf.eth0.autoconf to be 1 upon reboot, more details here https://goo.gl/mmy8Em [unix.stackexchange.com] |
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| 01:05.11 | HD|Laptop | hi all |
| 01:05.25 | HD|Laptop | Anyone here knows how to play a sequence of two tones with sox? |
| 01:05.25 | HD|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.36 | HD|Laptop | I've tried this but it only plays the 2 kHz tone |
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| 01:31.35 | ZeroBeholder | So, yesterday I was having trouble with sending myself email with disposable machine instances-- turns out the key words that got me to a satisfactory outcome were "disposable email". There's a ton of them out there and once you set up an account to forward to a legit service like gmail, outlook, or yahoo you can spin up a host running exim4 and get your messages after a short reasonable... |
| 01:31.36 | ZeroBeholder | ...delay. No DNS, SPF, or DKIM... |
| 01:32.11 | ZeroBeholder | At the very least it could be useful to test that you've set up your mail service sort of correctly. |
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| 01:33.27 | ZeroBeholder | They are designed specifically for getting 'sketchy' messages. Email laundering if you will... |
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| 01:34.30 | SoN[a]R | Hi |
| 01:34.57 | SoN[a]R | I have a problem :( could someone help me? |
| 01:35.14 | ZeroBeholder | Maybe, be easier if we knew what it was... |
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| 01:36.45 | SoN[a]R | my vps cannot connect to the internet: it says: www.google.com unknown host or if i ping 8.8.8.8 it says: network is unreachable, but i can ping my gateway |
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| 01:37.03 | SoN[a]R | :/ |
| 01:37.21 | ZeroBeholder | please pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces somewhere. |
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| 01:37.36 | SoN[a]R | okay, wait a sec pls |
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| 01:39.16 | ZeroBeholder | sorry, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:40.49 | SoN[a]R | ok np |
| 01:40.57 | SoN[a]R | should i paste it here in the room? |
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| 01:42.49 | ZeroBeholder | --just one line that is the url to the paste service |
| 01:42.58 | SoN[a]R | http://pastebin.com/8nTJssT2 |
| 01:43.36 | SoN[a]R | the ip address i added was set as main address by my vps provider, i have 2 additional ips but i didnt configure them yet |
| 01:44.22 | ZeroBeholder | There really isn't anything "secret" in that file so it isn't that big of a deal-- there are some things you'll want to keep to yourself, but like I said earlier no secrets to be exploited. |
| 01:44.26 | Brigo | SoN[a]R, what kind of vps is that? |
| 01:44.56 | SoN[a]R | what do you mean? i have access by KVM |
| 01:45.16 | Brigo | SoN[a]R, is your system de host? |
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| 01:46.15 | ZeroBeholder | Did you "service networking restart" after you made the changes? You can also add a specific DNS service if you wanted. |
| 01:46.18 | SoN[a]R | could you describe your question please? (im so sorry, my english is not good :/) |
| 01:46.25 | SoN[a]R | yes i did |
| 01:46.29 | Brigo | i mean the gateway is denying the internet access to that vps. You have to configure the gateway machine to allow it. |
| 01:46.34 | markybob | SoN[a]R, i can't ping your ip. that's a problem |
| 01:46.55 | markybob | SoN[a]R, you network file seems correct, though. sounds like you need to talk to your vps provider |
| 01:47.01 | ZeroBeholder | He is curious if your machine is in Germany (DE). (I think.) |
| 01:47.03 | SoN[a]R | the gateway was send me by the provider |
| 01:47.14 | SoN[a]R | yes it is |
| 01:47.18 | SoN[a]R | its a german one |
| 01:47.30 | ZeroBeholder | Sehr gut. |
| 01:47.30 | markybob | SoN[a]R, i can ping your router fine. it's a gateway issue. talk to your vps |
| 01:47.56 | SoN[a]R | but it worked about 10 minutes ago o.O |
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| 01:48.16 | SoN[a]R | i could ping and access the internet |
| 01:48.23 | markybob | SoN[a]R, then what'd you change? |
| 01:48.34 | Brigo | SoN[a]R, then some kind of issue in the gateway. |
| 01:48.49 | ZeroBeholder | Gotta put the kids to bed, total handoff to markybob & Brigo |
| 01:49.15 | Brigo | ZeroBeholder, the child first! |
| 01:49.28 | Brigo | i don't want to go to the bed yet! :D |
| 01:50.24 | SoN[a]R | wait a sec please i need to check it |
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| 01:52.44 | markybob | SoN[a]R, pastebin /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 01:53.34 | SoN[a]R | damn i cant login anymore to my kvm, i use german as keyboard i enter password as i set it, but it still dont works, it seem to have problems with the language, when i select german i doesnt print the chars that are assigned to the keys on my keyboards thats strange |
| 01:53.39 | SoN[a]R | i will try to restart |
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| 01:54.43 | SoN[a]R | i logged in |
| 01:55.10 | markybob | SoN[a]R, there you are |
| 01:55.16 | markybob | SoN[a]R, finally pinging |
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| 01:57.45 | SoN[a]R | but i cant still ping |
| 01:57.51 | SoN[a]R | other ips like google |
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| 01:58.09 | markybob | SoN[a]R, ips or domains? |
| 01:58.44 | SoN[a]R | domains |
| 01:59.20 | markybob | SoN[a]R, so add nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf as per the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#The_resolv.conf_configuration_file |
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| 02:01.01 | SoN[a]R | now it works thank you very much :) |
| 02:01.08 | markybob | SoN[a]R, you're welcome |
| 02:01.42 | SoN[a]R | what do you think it could be why it didnt work? |
| 02:01.48 | SoN[a]R | maybe ddos or something else? |
| 02:02.14 | markybob | i dont have a crystal ball unfortunately |
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| 02:06.36 | SoN[a]R | i have another question if i may ask... additional ipv4 adresses (i have 2 extra) are being added to /etc/network/interfaces under the: iface eth0 inet static as following: up ip addr add ipv4-adress dev eth0 down ip addr del ipv4-address dev eth0 ? |
| 02:07.38 | markybob | SoN[a]R, https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_one_Interface shows how to set up aliases. different ips on same interface. |
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| 02:08.16 | SoN[a]R | thanks a lot :) |
| 02:08.35 | markybob | SoN[a]R, it's the same wiki i linked you to before :P you should read more |
| 02:08.40 | markybob | but you're welcome |
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| 02:16.55 | SoN[a]R | i will :x im just starting to learn debian |
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| 02:22.41 | SoN[a]R | markybob : i think i cannot asign the ips, i mean i just configured openssh as described and i set the ListenAddress to one of my additional ips, and it doesnt start up, it even doesnt start up when i assign it to the main ip, is that a topic for this channel or for openssh chanel? |
| 02:23.48 | SoN[a]R | it only starts up when i comment ListenAddress |
| 02:24.11 | SoN[a]R | and i checked it assigns the port i specifed to the ip: 0.0.0.0 |
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| 02:33.03 | markybob | SoN[a]R, pastebin your sshd_config with listenaddress and your additional ips |
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| 02:37.29 | queso | Hi, all. I got two new external USB hard drives and have formatted one to ext4 (will be doing the 2nd next). When I plug this 1st drive in, it mounts at /media/usb0. Is there a way to specify another (or an additional) mount point, e.g., /media/backup? (I'm going to be using these for backups.) |
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| 02:38.29 | SoN[a]R | http://www.pastebin.com/BPTBUtSj |
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| 02:38.43 | dvs | queso: make some udev rules! |
| 02:38.49 | SoN[a]R | sry |
| 02:38.53 | SoN[a]R | i copied it wrong |
| 02:38.57 | SoN[a]R | wait a sec please |
| 02:41.42 | SoN[a]R | http://www.pastebin.com/D6WEqRFv |
| 02:42.33 | SoN[a]R | my ips are 85.93.26.140 85.93.26.144 85.93.26.147 |
| 02:42.49 | markybob | SoN[a]R, and you restarted sshd after that? if so, pastebin: netstat -tulpn | grep :22 |
| 02:43.21 | SoN[a]R | i use another port than 22 |
| 02:43.28 | SoN[a]R | i will try |
| 02:43.37 | SoN[a]R | and yes i restarted it |
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| 02:43.42 | markybob | whatever |
| 02:44.26 | SoN[a]R | and i said: ssh.service start request repeated too quickly |
| 02:45.08 | SoN[a]R | unit ssh.service entered failed state |
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| 02:45.44 | markybob | SoN[a]R, remove lines 88-90. restart. |
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| 02:47.01 | queso | dvs: Ah, yes, udev.. I'll google that. Thanks :) |
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| 02:47.43 | SoN[a]R | but markybob how can i set maxauthries and the allowed usernames in that case? |
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| 02:48.13 | markybob | SoN[a]R, does it work is the question? |
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| 02:49.15 | SoN[a]R | it doesnt |
| 02:49.23 | SoN[a]R | i removed those lines |
| 02:49.25 | SoN[a]R | :/ |
| 02:49.30 | SoN[a]R | it has the same error |
| 02:50.58 | SoN[a]R | http://www.pastebin.com/hgYCOiHh |
| 02:51.55 | SoN[a]R | ups: http://www.pastebin.com/hgYC0iHh |
| 02:52.00 | SoN[a]R | zero not O |
| 02:52.01 | SoN[a]R | <.< |
| 02:52.12 | SoN[a]R | thats the error |
| 02:52.14 | SoN[a]R | :/ |
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| 03:02.35 | SoN[a]R | markybob do you have an idea? :/ |
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| 03:07.40 | Thibadu | Hi guys, I'm running a server on Wheezy. If I add wheezy-backports in my sources.list, then install iproute2, ifupdown is removed, preventing networking to come up after a reboot. If I try to reinstall ifupdown, iproute2 is removed. I cannot find any information online about an incompatibility between ifupdown and iproute2, has anyone ever heard of that issue ? |
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| 03:09.37 | Thibadu | Interestingly enough, if the same server is using jessie instead of wheezy in its sources.list, it will work without any issue |
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| 03:15.49 | hypermist | Nginx isnt avaiable on debian 8 ? |
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| 03:16.24 | markybob | ,v nginx |
| 03:16.25 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5; jessie-backports: 1.9.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.9.6-2; stretch: 1.9.6-2 |
| 03:16.31 | markybob | sure it is |
| 03:16.47 | markybob | SoN[a]R, sorry...i'm honestly a bit busy getting drunk... |
| 03:16.56 | hypermist | well i ran sudo apt-get install nginx and it didn't work :s |
| 03:16.59 | hypermist | said package not found |
| 03:17.04 | SoN[a]R | no problem |
| 03:17.34 | markybob | hypermist, so pastebin your sources. give us something to go on |
| 03:17.44 | hypermist | wheres sources found ? |
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| 03:18.18 | markybob | SoN[a]R, okay, so, you said if you remove listaddress, it works? will you do it now? i just want to see if it's an open port to the outside |
| 03:18.25 | markybob | hypermist, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:19.23 | markybob | SoN[a]R, more sober people in #debian on the official channel on irc.oftc.net btw |
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| 03:19.44 | hypermist | http://pastebin.com/HmRC0YJk debchange |
| 03:19.48 | hypermist | whoops i mean markybob xD |
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| 03:20.12 | bytemonkey | not sure how i fat-fingered i686-23 looking for i386-23.iso is beyond me. |
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| 03:21.25 | dvs | !tell hypermist about ftp.debian.org |
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| 03:23.01 | hypermist | this is a vps dvs |
| 03:23.06 | toothe | where would the "Documentation" directory be in Debian? For the kernel? |
| 03:25.49 | abrotman | hypermist: so? |
| 03:26.00 | abrotman | toothe: /usr/share/doc/ |
| 03:26.04 | hypermist | abrotman, and well i dont wanna screw shit up ? |
| 03:26.53 | toothe | abrotman: thanks! but find /usr/share/docs -name Documentation didn't return a hit. |
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| 03:29.20 | SoN[a]R | markybob thanks for your help :) i found the error the port needs to be defined before the ListenAddress :x |
| 03:29.22 | SoN[a]R | it works |
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| 03:32.22 | hypermist | I havent had an issue with it before abrotman |
| 03:32.42 | hypermist | cause my other server has the exact same stuff and works fine |
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| 03:33.59 | hypermist | ah it was as simple as sudo apt-get update |
| 03:34.00 | hypermist | xD |
| 03:34.01 | ZeroBeholder | abrotman: turns out what I was looking for was "disposable email services"-- specifically for receiving 'sketchy' emails... like hosts without DNS, SPF, DKIM, and/or DMARC. Email laundering more or less. If for nothing else, the service will allow checking to see that email is configured correctly. |
| 03:34.35 | Thibadu | Hi guys, I'm running a server on Wheezy. If I add wheezy-backports in my sources.list, then install iproute2, ifupdown is removed, preventing networking to come up after a reboot. If I try to reinstall ifupdown, iproute2 is removed. I cannot find any information online about an incompatibility between ifupdown and iproute2, has anyone ever heard of that issue ? |
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| 03:40.26 | dvs | hypermist: suit yourself. If you always want to pull packages from The Netherlands, that's up to you. |
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| 03:42.57 | AvatarA | Thibadu, what command did you use to install iproute2? |
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| 03:43.10 | AvatarA | apt should inform you about those conflicts as I remember |
| 03:43.17 | ZeroBeholder | Thibadu: I can't say it is your case or not-- but I had packages that had 'conflicts' and I think one would uninstall the other. fuzzy memory on it though. Also seem to remember something like that setting up the Apache php prefork and apache mpm worker modules where one would uninstall the other-- I think, might not have been Debian. It was a few days a few years ago. The point is, that is... |
| 03:43.19 | ZeroBeholder | ...not necessarily unusual behavior. It may seem unusual, but probably working as an experienced person would think. |
| 03:43.43 | abrotman | ZeroBeholder: any sensible mail provider will deniy your mail, good luck |
| 03:43.44 | abrotman | deny |
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| 03:44.05 | ZeroBeholder | I'm not experienced enough to know better, just saying that that happens sometimes. |
| 03:44.28 | AvatarA | I presume that you did not use "-t wheezy-backports" switch |
| 03:44.33 | ZeroBeholder | abrotman: correct, and the disposable email services let you check your handiwork sooner than later. |
| 03:44.46 | Smither | Hey. I'm running Debian 8 on my laptop and it currently boots into the x environment. But i want it to boot to the command line then stop then i can log in and startx if i want the desktop. I have tried loooking for /etc/inittab but can't find it and i have tried symlinking multi-user.target to /etc/systemd/system/default.target and the symlink is made but it still boots to desktop on reboot. Any help on how i should do |
| 03:44.46 | Smither | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.47 | Thibadu | AvatarA: 'apt-get install iproute2', I didn't use the switch indeed |
| 03:45.15 | abrotman | Seems useless |
| 03:45.32 | ZeroBeholder | abrotman: or get your mail from a host you never plan on setting up completely proper-- like aws machines with short life spans. |
| 03:45.40 | abrotman | toothe: you probably have to install the kernel doc package |
| 03:45.53 | AvatarA | Smither, change systemd default target |
| 03:46.00 | AvatarA | to multi-user.target |
| 03:46.09 | abrotman | ZeroBeholder: I'll reiterate that a sensible mail provider will either drop or folder that mail. |
| 03:46.26 | Smither | should the symlink not handle that AvatarA? |
| 03:46.36 | ZeroBeholder | abrotman: I agree. This is a way around that. |
| 03:46.40 | abrotman | No, it's not |
| 03:46.44 | AvatarA | systemctl command has an option to do it automatically |
| 03:46.49 | AvatarA | it will probably do it better |
| 03:47.13 | ZeroBeholder | abrotman: but it works, my system sent mail lands in my inbox where it did not just a day ago. |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | ZeroBeholder: or, you garnered a reputation for your domain/ip |
| 03:48.13 | Smither | ok AvatarA, i'll take a look at that man page, see what i can find, thanks. |
| 03:48.21 | AvatarA | but anyway, with your current setup what does systemctl get-default say now? |
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| 03:48.54 | Smither | multi-user.target :/ but it just booted straight to GUI |
| 03:49.50 | ZeroBeholder | abrotman: my host sends messages to a 33mail.com "disposable email service", it's "dirty" a non-respectable message. 33mail.com accepts it happily. 33mail repackages the text from the message in a new "respectable" message and sends it to the inbox destination of my choosing. |
| 03:49.52 | AvatarA | well try set-default and see again |
| 03:50.05 | Smither | ok will do, one sec |
| 03:50.23 | AvatarA | if that doesn't work you should explore what your multi-user.target does, it certainly includes starting X if that's what happens |
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| 03:51.56 | abrotman | ZeroBeholder: If you say so |
| 03:52.07 | Smither | woo that worked :D |
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| 03:58.00 | Smither | also i am getting a hell of a lot of these errors on boot ehci-pci 0000:00:1d.0: port 1 reset error -110 |
| 03:58.11 | Smither | what does this mean? what is it talking about? |
| 03:58.16 | Thibadu | AvatarA: Works with '-t wheezy-backports' thanks! |
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| 04:02.29 | SoN[a]R | i have another problem with open ssh, i can login from my vps into my vps with the command ssh, but i cant login from putty from windows, i use the same password.. maybe its a problem with putty? |
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| 04:54.46 | n_blownapart | hello please look at this and tell me how badly I screwed up my system : http://pastie.org/10568959 |
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| 04:55.23 | n_blownapart | I tried to disable the process after enabling it. |
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| 04:58.12 | beepie | n_blownapart, maybe you should ask on #linux as to ask how to fix whatever you're trying to fox |
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| 04:59.10 | n_blownapart | ok I have a debian machine |
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| 05:00.39 | beepie | n_blownapart, it's very simple to explain what you did to break your system |
| 05:00.43 | beepie | n_blownapart, start from there |
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| 06:10.30 | Linnak | Hi, I'd like to know what experimental repo is. |
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| 06:13.47 | ryouma | packages that are for people to experiment with. not meant for normal use. |
| 06:16.49 | Linnak | Experiment is a "newer" version of sid? |
| 06:18.49 | valdyn | Linnak: its not even a version, its just a place to dump experimental packages |
| 06:19.16 | Linnak | Okay. And my last question, What is backport repo? |
| 06:20.35 | shingouz | !backports |
| 06:20.36 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 06:22.17 | Linnak | So, Iceweasel version 42 wasn't available last week in testing nor in sid repos but it exists in experimental and jessie-bacports so what is the difference between those two repos |
| 06:25.22 | shingouz | as you already saw on #debian-next, experimental is full of something that might be plain dangerous or just something that the maintainer does not see fit to percolate to sid yet. same goes for the backports, they are potentially dangerous |
| 06:25.29 | shingouz | !backport caveat |
| 06:25.29 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
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| 06:51.05 | charli | !dpkg |
| 06:51.05 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 06:51.41 | charli | !dpkgbot |
| 06:51.41 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 07:21.50 | zouhair | Hi, anyone having seeing all font awesome icons on gnome-terminal or other gtk apps? |
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| 07:28.14 | ubikite | hey, i've been trying to install openvpn with google-authtenticator. is anyone succeeded compiling google-authenticator with pam support succesfully and recommend a documentation upon it? |
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| 07:48.57 | amdp_ | hi, any hint? http://pastebin.ca/3262583 |
| 07:52.46 | somiaj | amdp_: what happens if you run /etc/init.d/mysql start (I think the LSB init script is what is failing) |
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| 07:53.46 | amdp_ | somiaj: it just tries but keeps trying |
| 07:53.57 | amdp_ | somiaj: failed |
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| 07:55.39 | amdp_ | somiaj: if I remove systemctl what is going to happen? |
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| 07:56.03 | somiaj | amdp_: what failed. Check the mysql logs or daemon.log. Try to figure out what exactly is faling. |
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| 07:56.24 | somiaj | I don't think removing systemctl is going to stop this from failing. Sounds like there is an issue wiht the startup process of mysql. |
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| 07:58.43 | amdp_ | somiaj: Error: log file ./ib_logfile0 is of different size 0 50331648 bytes InnoDB: than specified in the .cnf file 0 5242880 bytes! |
| 07:59.31 | amdp_ | somiaj: seems quite easy as it is a log file.. but if I remove it will mysql make a new one? |
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| 08:01.50 | somiaj | I don't know enough about mysql to advise that. I would at least back it up if you are going to see if that happens. Maybe someone else knows or see if google has any good advise. |
| 08:02.02 | amdp_ | somiaj: ok |
| 08:02.06 | amdp_ | thanls |
| 08:02.10 | amdp_ | thanks |
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| 08:35.49 | amdp_ | somiaj: fixed, thank you |
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| 08:43.49 | psopacua | i tried to install Debian Jessie next to Windows 10 with Grub Bootloader, the problem im encountering is when i want to boot into debian it doesnt boot further then "loading please wait... fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 /dev/sda6: clean, X/X files, X/X blocks" any people here experience with it? |
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| 09:11.55 | psopacua | nobody :( ? |
| 09:11.58 | psopacua | i tried to install Debian Jessie next to Windows 10 with Grub Bootloader, the problem im encountering is when i want to boot into debian it doesnt boot further then "loading please wait... fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 /dev/sda6: clean, X/X files, X/X blocks" any people here experience with it? |
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| 09:41.24 | ewew | Hello. Is there a way to get list of installed packages if i could recover the original file ? |
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| 09:41.46 | morphyeys | Hello guys, I've just installed Debian 8.2 Jessie here and I want to install PHP 5.3 and not 5.6.14 what's the best way to do that? |
| 09:41.53 | rabbitear | ewew: dpkg -l |
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| 09:42.12 | ewew | i need to know in which file is this info. |
| 09:42.21 | rabbitear | morphyeys: you have a valid question |
| 09:42.38 | morphyeys | rabbitear, what do you mean? |
| 09:42.46 | rabbitear | ewew: you need to know apt-cache and apt-file |
| 09:43.22 | Ticho | ewew: man dpkg, it includes list of files and directories dpkg works with |
| 09:43.26 | rabbitear | morphyeys: one way is to compile it yourself, and forget about debian package manager |
| 09:44.43 | jelly | ewew: /var/lib/dpkg/status will have the installed status value, and /var/lib/apt/extended_states I think shows which package is auto-installed and which is manually installed |
| 09:44.59 | ewew | jelly thanks. |
| 09:45.10 | morphyeys | rabbitear, I don't want to compile it myself is there an easier way? |
| 09:45.59 | ewew | jelly I only need what packages are installed on old system. |
| 09:46.03 | SirLagz | morphyeys: why do you want an older version of PHP? |
| 09:46.17 | jelly | ewew: why? |
| 09:46.39 | ewew | because yeasterday i whacked /var with rm |
| 09:47.04 | Bittarman | morphyeys, http://php.net/manual/en/migration56.php |
| 09:47.10 | Bittarman | that is your best route ;) |
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| 09:47.25 | Bittarman | there is not *that* many breaking changes to make if your code is sensible. |
| 09:47.34 | jelly | ewew: if you have backups, restore the whole /var/lib/{apt,dpkg} ... unless you reinstalled. |
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| 09:48.09 | ewew | jelly I got some files with extundelete. only need to find the right file. |
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| 09:48.50 | ewew | or follow packages in /usr ? |
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| 09:49.24 | ewew | This time multiple LV volumes saved me. |
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| 09:52.38 | psopacua | i tried to install Debian Jessie next to Windows 10 with Grub Bootloader, the problem im encountering is when i want to boot into debian it doesnt boot further then "loading please wait... fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 /dev/sda6: clean, X/X files, X/X blocks" any people here experience with it? |
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| 09:53.51 | berarma | morphyeys, you can use containers or schroot to boostrap an older Debian version |
| 09:54.16 | berarma | I'd use it just to test compatiblity though |
| 09:55.16 | berarma | psopacua, do you use LVM? |
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| 09:57.33 | morphyeys | what about this solution http://linux.exposed/2015/09/10/how-to-install-old-software-on-debian/ ? |
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| 09:59.24 | nkuttler | morphyeys: snapshots won't work if you can't install the dependencies. virtual machine or somesuch |
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| 10:00.31 | morphyeys | so how can I install PHP 5.4 on my Debian 8.2 Jessie? |
| 10:00.57 | nkuttler | ,v php5 |
| 10:00.58 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze28; wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: |
| 10:00.59 | judd | 5.6.15+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.15+dfsg-1 |
| 10:01.16 | nkuttler | morphyeys: inside a wheezy vm |
| 10:04.44 | morphyeys | I don't want to use a vm |
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| 10:06.54 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 10:07.47 | tite12345 | Why is it that when I log in as root or with root I when I use say `ls`, there aren't any colors nor can I see which ones are the dir. |
| 10:07.58 | tite12345 | Hard to identify which ones are files and which are dirs. |
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| 10:08.12 | freemind | tite12345: just change your .bashrc file |
| 10:08.31 | freemind | tite12345: from what I recall on debian the root bashrc does not has colors enabled for ls |
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| 10:12.51 | psopacua | berarma: nope i though so yes |
| 10:12.56 | psopacua | -nope |
| 10:13.28 | psopacua | @berarma no i did Manual |
| 10:14.08 | psopacua | used USB installer, but when i look at the code that bootups Debian i am seeing things like "hd1,sda6" shouldnt that be "hd0,sda6" nd stuf? |
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| 10:22.21 | l3archos | Hi all. I have attached an external display to my notebook and whenever I boot Jessie only the external monitor is showing the content as extended desktop. The main screen (=internal display of notebook) should show the login prompt but it remains completely BLACK. When I blindly (without seeing anything on the internal primary screen) press ENTER and then enter my password, I get logged in. Then I need to press FN |
| 10:22.56 | l3archos | Fn+BrightnessUp key and I see the content of the internal primary screen, too. How can I fix that so BOTH displays are working after X is initiated ? |
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| 10:23.29 | planetmaker | doesn't fn+brightness work before login? |
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| 10:25.32 | l3archos | planetmaker: no, it works ONLY *AFTER* I logged in |
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| 10:26.22 | psopacua | Damn internet dropped =x, did you say anything meanwhile berarma |
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| 10:40.40 | tite12345 | freemind: So can I have the same colors I get on normal user? |
| 10:41.05 | tite12345 | freemind: Or does it automatically give the same colors as with the normal user by default? |
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| 10:53.09 | sgflt | i'm having issues configuring a static ip using network manager. everytime i try to ping a remote host, i get a "From 10.42.42.84 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable" (.84 is the local machine). am i correct in assuming it is an issue with my routing table? |
| 10:55.08 | l3archos | anyone please ? |
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| 11:02.07 | l3archos | is my issue related to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79581 and https://www.slightfuture.com/how-to/debian-newer-intel-graphics.html maybe ? |
| 11:02.28 | l3archos | should I pay attention to the tutorial on https://www.slightfuture.com/how-to/debian-newer-intel-graphics.html and apt-pin these intel graphic drivers for xorg ? |
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| 11:17.47 | morphyeys | how to install SVN on Debian? |
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| 11:18.27 | ewew | How big risk is merging vg ? |
| 11:18.37 | Cerealkill3r | writer,math,impress,none of them are opening |
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| 11:33.16 | l3archos | I'd like to ensure that I am doing everything right. I have followed exactly the instructions from https://www.slightfuture.com/how-to/debian-newer-intel-graphics.html and at the last step I am running "apt-get install -t testing xserver-xorg-video-intel". But I am prompted to install a lot of more packages, see following pastebin. Is that OK and SAFE to do or will I break the system ? ==> https://paste.debian.net/334230/ |
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| 11:48.38 | ewew | Does anyone have experience with virtual group merge on LVM ? |
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| 11:53.11 | tennix | I'm using nginx with supervisord in debian, but i got the same problem as http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25774430/using-nginx-with-supervisor-nginx-process-launched-multiple-times-leading-to-b |
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| 11:53.39 | tennix | can anybody help me out? |
| 11:53.54 | careta | hi all |
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| 11:54.40 | careta | since about 2 days ago, all QT apps have lots of artifacts in the UI - missing menus, menus not being drawn properly... anyone has had this problem? I'm running a mix between stable and testing, and I've tried updating the QT libraries |
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| 11:55.25 | tennix | actually I'm using these inside a docker container, previously i'm using ubuntu container, everything works fine. But after i switched to debian container, I got that problem |
| 11:57.22 | ompaul | tennix: to figure that out I don't use anything more than nginx, never had the need, you should first run it on Debian natively. and then build in your layers of complexity and run things in debug mode |
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| 11:59.52 | tennix | I have to use supervisord in order to start multi-process, because docker container is designed to run one process |
| 12:00.11 | ompaul | so use xen or something else |
| 12:00.14 | ompaul | test that |
| 12:00.28 | ompaul | maybe you have found a boundry condition in this build |
| 12:00.35 | ompaul | and are leaking all over the place |
| 12:00.58 | ompaul | using qemu which is designed to be a full machine |
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| 12:01.25 | ompaul | containers are problem specific domain solver |
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| 12:01.55 | ompaul | if you stray outside of their limits ... then you are asking for something, the more interesting question is why didn't it fail in ubuntu |
| 12:02.07 | tennix | we don't have the need to run a full machine |
| 12:02.19 | ompaul | quemu is a nice little virtual machine |
| 12:02.28 | ompaul | you can make it as small as you like |
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| 12:03.03 | ompaul | I'm not going to be of any more use to you than that suggestion. |
| 12:03.04 | tennix | we want to use docker container to make our devops more easier |
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| 12:04.18 | Bittarman | then use vagrant. |
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| 12:05.02 | tennix | our code uses 80 port, vagrant can't bind 80 port |
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| 12:05.16 | Bittarman | you sure about that? I use it all the time ;) |
| 12:05.19 | SynrG | er, what? |
| 12:05.28 | ompaul | SynrG: shhh ;-) |
| 12:05.30 | Bittarman | tennix, it sounds to me like you just have not even looked at vagrant. |
| 12:05.31 | SynrG | vagrant doesn't 'bind' to anything. it can be used to make VM images |
| 12:05.32 | tennix | or you would have to run a whole virtual machine with root |
| 12:05.40 | Bittarman | SynrG, he's talking about the local port forwarding. |
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| 12:05.47 | Bittarman | tennix, sorry, but you're way out. |
| 12:05.59 | ompaul | if you have devops you should have them fix the problem |
| 12:06.02 | Bittarman | your vm / docker image in vagrant can listen on whatever port you tell it to. |
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| 12:06.32 | Bittarman | just don't bother with the port forwarding, use the virtual machines public interface rather than any forwarded ports. |
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| 12:06.39 | SynrG | yep |
| 12:06.58 | Bittarman | tennix, you've gotten about halfway down the demo, and not looked at vagrant at all. |
| 12:07.05 | Bittarman | also, vagrant can use docker. |
| 12:07.09 | tennix | yes, you have to build the whole vm with root, then you start vagrant with sudo |
| 12:07.15 | Bittarman | nope. |
| 12:07.20 | Bittarman | tennix, you're talking out of your ass. |
| 12:07.20 | SynrG | Bittarman: interesting. i didn't know that. only used it to build VM images |
| 12:07.27 | SynrG | Bittarman: will have to give it a try |
| 12:07.38 | SynrG | til hanging out in #debian :) |
| 12:07.49 | tennix | actually i tried vagrant first |
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| 12:08.06 | Bittarman | tennix, I start a vm without sudo in vagrant, and on that vm, it is listening on its public interface on port 80. |
| 12:08.08 | Bittarman | and 443 |
| 12:08.16 | Bittarman | and no sudo is involved at all. |
| 12:08.24 | tennix | everything went well except that i can't access 80 port |
| 12:08.32 | Bittarman | tennix, rubbish. |
| 12:08.50 | Bittarman | try http://<vmhostname>/ rather than http://localhost/ |
| 12:08.51 | Bittarman | ;) |
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| 12:10.15 | tennix | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17437137/vagrant-wont-forward-only-port-80 |
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| 12:10.37 | Bittarman | tennix, which part of don't use the port forwarding did you not understand?? |
| 12:11.04 | Bittarman | use the machines public interface instead. |
| 12:11.25 | Bittarman | the port forwarding is just for dummies like wordpress developers who can't get their head around basic networking. |
| 12:12.35 | tennix | our codebase has lots of code rely on port 80 and 443 |
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| 12:13.49 | tennix | dev environment has to open those ports |
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| 12:17.54 | tennix | I was looking for some help with my problem, not for choice of suggestions. I really don't know why you guys insist on me to choose another tool. and you guys seems to hate docker |
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| 12:19.09 | ompaul | we don't use it like you want to and find our use cases work |
| 12:19.11 | ompaul | that's all |
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| 12:19.38 | ompaul | and therefore we have not come across your position where you take a tool with limit X and insist it doesn't have that limit |
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| 12:20.33 | tennix | and my problem is not container specific, as someone else on stackoverflow asked the same question |
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| 12:21.25 | tennix | and mainly debain series distros |
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| 12:21.54 | teclo- | debain ? Comme dans "salle debain" ? |
| 12:22.02 | tennix | so i asked here |
| 12:22.10 | tennix | debian |
| 12:22.19 | ompaul | teclo-: the username for samba ... |
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| 12:23.17 | tennix | maybe some of you should suggest me use rpm distros |
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| 12:23.46 | ompaul | !debian |
| 12:23.46 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 12:24.45 | careta | anyone here having strange artifacts in QT apps lately? |
| 12:24.52 | careta | menus missing, objects drawn incorrectly etc |
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| 12:25.18 | SynrG | careta: if by 'lately' you mean in debian testing, maybe see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net where it is supported. |
| 12:25.27 | careta | SynrG, thanks |
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| 12:26.35 | tennix | careta: I think they would suggest you not use QT, because their GTK apps don't have the problem |
| 12:26.57 | SynrGy | tennix: take the snarky attitude somewhere else, please |
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| 12:27.15 | tennix | Sorry for my attitude. I'm u |
| 12:27.32 | tennix | just a little upset about what i get here |
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| 12:29.21 | SynrG | tennix: advice to try something that may not be the solution you're looking for, but is at least one we're familiar with and can confirm works? |
| 12:29.38 | Bittarman | tennix, I'm not suggesting you don't use docker... |
| 12:29.43 | SynrG | tennix: or maybe you'd prefer no help at all. as i can't see us recommending solutions we *don't* know work |
| 12:29.43 | Bittarman | I'm suggesting you use vagrant to manage it. |
| 12:29.51 | Bittarman | and that you're wrong that it stops you using port 80. |
| 12:30.00 | Bittarman | because you very much are. |
| 12:30.34 | Bittarman | it only will not forward that port. you don't need to use the port forwarding. |
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| 12:31.21 | Bittarman | remotely, the vm or docker image is listening on port 80, connect via that interface, and localhost. |
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| 12:32.56 | tennix | Bittarman: I'm not English speaker, but you said "you're talking out of your ass", that's very rude in my sense |
| 12:33.28 | Bittarman | tennix, it is, because the way you're talking about it is entirely untrue and you're putting down a very good tool with a completely false statement and speaking like you're the authority on it. |
| 12:33.34 | tennix | and also "rubbish" |
| 12:33.38 | SynrG | it means "making stuff up" (an assumption on Bittarman's part; you assert things don't work that we know work) |
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| 12:34.21 | Bittarman | yes vagrant will not forward port 80. you do not *need* to forward port 80. using vagrant does not preclude using port 80. |
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| 12:34.54 | markybob | and putting down debian and the #debian community in the process |
| 12:35.09 | tennix | would you please be polite when correcting others? |
| 12:35.20 | SynrG | tennix: i'm not defending Bittarman's choice of words, but you should at least consider if there's merit in his suggestions. |
| 12:35.22 | Bittarman | tennix, would you please be polite when answering then. |
| 12:35.36 | ompaul | this is just a row in search of a place |
| 12:35.40 | Bittarman | making false claims it not polite. |
| 12:35.50 | SynrG | heh |
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| 12:36.07 | Bittarman | standing by them when you're told why their false, is just asking for an impolite repost. |
| 12:36.07 | SynrG | hands out alcohol, and brekable chairs |
| 12:36.18 | SynrG | breakable* |
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| 12:36.53 | Bittarman | *they're |
| 12:36.56 | tennix | in fact I googled when you correct me, but you still use those words to insult me |
| 12:36.57 | SynrG | Bittarman: itym 'riposte' |
| 12:37.08 | Bittarman | SynrG, ty |
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| 12:38.03 | SynrG | can we not devolve into metadiscussion of irc netiquette and stick to the support question now? |
| 12:38.16 | markybob | tennix, relax. you realize there's a language barrier, yet you choose to be insulted. it's not how it works. |
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| 12:38.38 | SynrG | choose to be insulted? sigh. he *was* insulted. but can we move on? |
| 12:39.06 | SynrG | i don't think anyone's going to extract an apology from anyone else, here |
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| 12:39.44 | SynrG | do try to be polite. but also, do try to be forgiving of others when they vent frustration, and not escalate. |
| 12:40.05 | tennix | I apologize to careta for my bad temper |
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| 12:40.29 | SynrG | interesting, since careta wasn't involved ... |
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| 12:41.34 | tennix | he asked the question twice, and no body answered him, and i just got my bad temper on him |
| 12:41.54 | SynrG | ah well. incidental |
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| 12:42.32 | SynrG | the only one who was bothered by that was me. and i've subsequently helped on #debian-next, so it's all good, there. |
| 12:42.35 | ompaul | careta: I'm not seeing those issues. how much ram have you go |
| 12:42.46 | ompaul | ah |
| 12:42.51 | tennix | yes, I just want to attract your attention and reason about what i got |
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| 12:44.03 | SynrG | tennix: good. so why don't you give vagrant another try and see if you can make a docker image with nginx on port 80 as Bittarman advises. |
| 12:44.14 | SynrG | tennix: if you have issues with that, we can see what's wrong from there |
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| 12:45.06 | tennix | I would try that later on |
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| 12:48.09 | tennix | I wish people on IRC be more polite to others and don't use any offensive words |
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| 12:49.38 | Bittarman | I wish irc wasn't full of oversensitive people. |
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| 12:50.29 | SynrG | Bittarman: drop it, please |
| 12:50.37 | SynrG | tennix: you too. |
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| 12:51.03 | Bittarman | I'll just go. |
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| 12:54.59 | Cerealkill3r | Hey guys,I need some help,running debian 8 and system sounds not working (like when changing the volume,there is no sound effect) but sound does work,and also the clock is displaying some weird font |
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| 13:00.07 | tennix | I think you should at least tell us what's your DE |
| 13:00.20 | tennix | Cerealkill3r |
| 13:01.01 | tennix | Oops, he just left without getting an answer |
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| 13:03.43 | psopacua | i tried to install Debian Jessie next to Windows 10 with Grub Bootloader, the problem im encountering is when i want to boot into debian it doesnt boot further then "loading please wait... fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 /dev/sda6: clean, X/X files, X/X blocks" any people here experience with it? |
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| 13:04.48 | l3archos | I'd like to ensure that I am doing everything right. I have followed exactly the instructions from https://www.slightfuture.com/how-to/debian-newer-intel-graphics.html and at the last step I am running "apt-get install -t testing xserver-xorg-video-intel". But I am prompted to install a lot of more packages, see following pastebin. Is that OK and SAFE to do or will I break the system ? ==> https://paste.debian.net/334230/ |
| 13:05.54 | tennix | psopacua: have you tried to disable fastboot in Win10 |
| 13:06.06 | psopacua | it is disable'd |
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| 13:08.04 | martin-_-_ | hi |
| 13:08.13 | martin-_-_ | i got here an really strange problem |
| 13:08.18 | martin-_-_ | my system disc is full |
| 13:08.35 | Cerealkill3r | Hey guys,I'm running debian 8 and the alert sounds or system sounds (the ones that go on when backspacing in terminal or when changing the volume) are not working |
| 13:08.42 | martin-_-_ | when i make space the disc will be full after some seconds again |
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| 13:09.11 | martin-_-_ | i don'T know if i caught some bad stuff |
| 13:10.13 | martin-_-_ | can someone tell me how i can print all running process and you tell me some suspicious process so i can remove them |
| 13:10.16 | martin-_-_ | please help me |
| 13:10.22 | martin-_-_ | im in real trouble |
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| 13:12.12 | martin-_-_ | http://paste.debian.net/334262/ |
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| 13:15.13 | airstand_ | martin-_-_: what do you want to remove ? |
| 13:15.48 | martin-_-_ | i delete some files but then space is again full |
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| 13:16.45 | martin-_-_ | is there any suspicious process airstand_ ? http://paste.debian.net/334262/ I think /sbin/rpc.statd -p 32765 -o 32766 and udhcpc -i eth0 -H fes-a120d19nas -t 3 -S -n are strange |
| 13:16.53 | martin-_-_ | maybe i should kill them |
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| 13:17.28 | ompaul | martin-_-_: give us a df -h please in a paste |
| 13:17.30 | martin-_-_ | I really dont know whats the porpes of this processes |
| 13:17.56 | martin-_-_ | http://paste.debian.net/334263/ ompaul |
| 13:18.40 | ompaul | martin-_-_: it's not a very big system |
| 13:18.55 | martin-_-_ | its a nas ompaul |
| 13:19.03 | ompaul | martin-_-_: look at / |
| 13:19.15 | ompaul | check your log files |
| 13:19.32 | martin-_-_ | log files are also ok |
| 13:19.35 | ompaul | 2G for a / is really small |
| 13:20.15 | ompaul | martin-_-_: du -h /var/log please |
| 13:20.18 | ompaul | what is the nuymber |
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| 13:20.55 | martin-_-_ | http://paste.debian.net/334264/ |
| 13:21.01 | martin-_-_ | 6.1M |
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| 13:22.18 | ompaul | martin-_-_: du -cks * | sort -n |
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| 13:22.30 | ompaul | that will tell you what is being written to in / |
| 13:22.53 | martin-_-_ | so i should unmount c |
| 13:22.58 | ompaul | I would |
| 13:23.13 | ompaul | but it's not obligitary |
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| 13:23.16 | martin-_-_ | how could i umount if it is already in use |
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| 13:34.18 | psopacua | i tried to install Debian Jessie next to Windows 10 with Grub Bootloader, the problem im encountering is when i want to boot into debian it doesnt boot further then "loading please wait... fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 /dev/sda6: clean, X/X files, X/X blocks" any people here experience with it? |
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| 13:37.33 | markybob | psopacua, i assume it's a UEFI issue. is your bios using secure boot? |
| 13:37.42 | psopacua | also disable |
| 13:37.55 | psopacua | the most common things like fast boot are set right. |
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| 13:40.18 | psopacua | but one thing i think is very strange, im installing it through USB Netinstaller x64, i first have to mount the usb to the cdrom path, then i can start installing because i needed firmware for realtek (its on the usb in the firmware folder), when i want to change the code behind the startup script of debian i am seeing "hd1,sdaX" while i was thinking shouldnt it be "hd0,sdaX" because when im installing it says its "hd0,sdaX" at the partition |
| 13:40.18 | psopacua | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:41.30 | markybob | psopacua, you don't need to do that. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ has the firmware included. and how are you copying the image to the usb? |
| 13:42.09 | markybob | psopacua, you still haven't answered the secure boot question |
| 13:42.30 | psopacua | 14:37 markybob: psopacua, i assume it's a UEFI issue. is your bios using secure boot? |
| 13:42.30 | psopacua | 14:37 psopacua: also disable |
| 13:42.38 | psopacua | secure boot is disabled... :p |
| 13:42.41 | psopacua | think you read past it! |
| 13:43.00 | psopacua | uhm about that part of has the firmware include what do i have to do? add that url to the sources or ? |
| 13:43.16 | psopacua | do i have to add firmware.tar.gz in the firmware folder? |
| 13:43.26 | markybob | psopacua, no. it's an iso with firmware included so you don't have to worry. reinstall and it'll work |
| 13:43.45 | psopacua | pretty weird |
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| 13:44.33 | markybob | psopacua, no. it's in the wiki. https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 13:44.59 | ioncube | i ran into a prblem need help |
| 13:45.03 | psopacua | a suggestion is to download the firmware tarball for your installation and unpack it into a directory named "firmware" in the root of a removable storage device. |
| 13:45.38 | psopacua | Thats what i ment with do i have to add to firmware folder (No problem i known how ;) did it also for the realtek provider and it was installing so i will do the same now with the firmware files). |
| 13:45.55 | psopacua | i'm going to try it again, fastboot disabled, secure boot disabled |
| 13:46.05 | psopacua | but i still have to mount the USB to the CDROM path else it doesnt get installed =x |
| 13:46.43 | markybob | psopacua, how are you installing it? |
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| 13:46.52 | markybob | psopacua, how did you copy the image over? |
| 13:47.18 | markybob | psopacua, why aren't you using the firmware image suggested in the wiki? |
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| 13:48.01 | psopacua | markybob: i do? |
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| 13:48.27 | psopacua | the firmware image i put in the firmware folder of my USB, its the second paragraph under "Firmware during the installation" |
| 13:48.31 | psopacua | thats what i do ;). |
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| 13:49.16 | markybob | psopacua, i didn't mean the firmware. i meant the install. |
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| 13:50.06 | psopacua | I think there is a miscommunication |
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| 13:51.41 | psopacua | First: i have used different ways making the USB installer, the last way i used the program "UnetBootin", Chose "Debian Stable_NetInstall_X64" to make the USB. (The program downlodas the stable net install from debian and put its on the USB) |
| 13:51.50 | psopacua | the last way = the last time |
| 13:52.09 | markybob | !unetbootin |
| 13:52.09 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 13:52.16 | markybob | it messes it up |
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| 13:52.24 | psopacua | Yes i read it now haha! |
| 13:52.26 | psopacua | ffs |
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| 13:53.48 | psopacua | So what do you suggest to do? |
| 13:54.02 | psopacua | Download the netinstaller from debian myself put it on the USB and go with the flow ? |
| 13:54.53 | ioncube | if you are on windows use RUFUS to make it bootable |
| 13:55.01 | markybob | psopacua, firmware neinst and cp or dd |
| 13:55.10 | markybob | psopacua, like the manual says |
| 13:55.21 | markybob | netinst* |
| 13:55.29 | psopacua | ahhhh |
| 13:55.35 | psopacua | yeah markybob, the url you gave me was only the firmware |
| 13:55.35 | psopacua | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 13:55.37 | psopacua | is the good url |
| 13:55.49 | psopacua | thats why i didnt get you with the image part |
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| 13:57.17 | markybob | psopacua, no, i gave you https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware ...which has the url to the iso with firmware... |
| 13:57.45 | psopacua | 14:41 markybob: psopacua, you don't need to do that. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ has the firmware included. and how are you copying the image to the usb? |
| 13:57.54 | psopacua | the first url you gave me, the second url is the wiki url |
| 13:58.01 | psopacua | i was still in my head with images & first url! |
| 13:58.06 | psopacua | Not your fault, its my fault :). |
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| 14:00.48 | martin-_-_ | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/334288/ |
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| 14:02.02 | ompaul | martin-_-_: so /var which is where lots of logs lie |
| 14:02.06 | ompaul | is very full |
| 14:02.14 | martin-_-_ | oh no |
| 14:02.22 | ompaul | go look at it |
| 14:02.25 | queso | I have a new external USB hard drive and I've reformatted the single partition on it to ext4. Do I even need a partition? Should I get rid of it and format the entire device? Relatedly, does it matter if it has an msdos partition table? (Should I change that?) Thanks. |
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| 14:05.06 | martin-_-_ | ompaul, spool is full! |
| 14:05.20 | martin-_-_ | how could i tell spool to move all files to my second partition? |
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| 14:08.40 | ompaul | martin-_-_: firstly what's in the spool |
| 14:08.51 | ompaul | you might not want / need it or you might actually need it |
| 14:09.05 | martin-_-_ | i removed all files in /var/spool/samba/ |
| 14:09.06 | ompaul | in spool are they contigious files |
| 14:09.14 | martin-_-_ | now i freeed 280mb! |
| 14:09.23 | bytemonkey | is it spool or wheel? |
| 14:09.24 | ompaul | 1/8 or so of the space |
| 14:09.33 | ompaul | you might want to restart |
| 14:10.07 | martin-_-_ | spool |
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| 14:11.07 | bytemonkey | yeah, im thinking about groups..sry. |
| 14:11.22 | martin-_-_ | I created a clean script which i will execute on startup |
| 14:11.40 | martin-_-_ | so i think i don'T have to mess around with this no space issue |
| 14:11.44 | martin-_-_ | thanks ompaul ! |
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| 14:17.08 | psopacua | ioncube: what rufus settings? GPT, FAT32 & Create bootup disk with DD Image ? |
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| 14:19.08 | ompaul | martin-_-_: no problem |
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| 14:23.35 | zigurat | Hi. Where can I find a list of packages that get installed with the base system? |
| 14:24.32 | somiaj | zigurat: Since the base system can depend on how you isntall it isn't welld efined. But this is the suggested list that should be installed on any linux system |
| 14:24.39 | somiaj | !standard |
| 14:24.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 14:24.53 | somiaj | zigurat: run aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
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| 14:25.12 | somiaj | not some standard packages may not be installed with the base system, but it is usually suggested you install them. |
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| 14:28.00 | psopacua | ffs, now im getting GNU grub instead of a interface i can choose =/ |
| 14:28.29 | lesik | The GREAT and MERCY unified bootloader <3 |
| 14:28.49 | psopacua | yes that hing yes |
| 14:28.50 | psopacua | =[ |
| 14:29.09 | psopacua | im not that expert on linux meeehhhhh known much but that =[ |
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| 14:30.39 | lesik | I joined after you posted your question |
| 14:30.44 | lesik | Maybe you can copy+paste it? |
| 14:31.23 | psopacua | haha there is no question anymore, was problems with installing got the good image etc now |
| 14:31.25 | psopacua | and btw i fixed it :)! |
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| 14:32.04 | psopacua | if got the installer on my pc now!!!:D:D:D did copy it again with rufus, this time using "DD Image" instead of "ISO Image" with MBR and now its working :)! |
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| 14:33.17 | markybob | psopacua, yay |
| 14:33.20 | psopacua | Wow its installing without any problems now! |
| 14:33.35 | psopacua | Thankyouuu markybob, ioncube |
| 14:33.47 | psopacua | trial and error, im hating it taking so much time :p |
| 14:34.00 | markybob | it happens :) |
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| 14:41.31 | sohnyrin | Hi ! I'm coming from windows and wondering how I can do the equivalent as adding a path to the path variable so I can run an exec from any place in terminal ? |
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| 14:42.33 | somiaj | sohnyrin: various ways. $HOME/.bash_profile or $HOME/.bashrc is a good place to do this for a user. PATH="$PATH:/new/dir" or PATH="/new/dir:$PATH" depending on if you want to make your path in the front or back of the list |
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| 14:43.12 | sohnyrin | great thanks somiaj ! |
| 14:43.13 | somiaj | sohnyrin: /etc/profile if you need it for all users, though usually it is suggested you make changes just local to the user that needs them unless you for sure need it for multiple users. |
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| 14:44.00 | markybob | sohnyrin, keep in mind for $HOME things to work you have to log out for it to be active |
| 14:44.04 | somiaj | sohnyrin: note the difference betwen if you use .bash_profile or .bashrc is dependent on what kinda of shells you launch. most likely you are using login shells, so .bash_profile should be enough. read man bash for more info about the difference. |
| 14:44.10 | sohnyrin | I installed xampp and I can't easily use php in the command line or restart apache, or do a mysql dump, its pretty annoying |
| 14:44.41 | somiaj | sohnyrin: so is this something you want as part of scripts that are run by other processes, or only by commands you run as your user. |
| 14:44.48 | somiaj | changing the enviroment that a script is run in is different. |
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| 14:45.23 | sohnyrin | Well I want to be able to manually use php and apache commands, and I want scripts to be able to use mysqldump and php |
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| 14:46.04 | somiaj | sohnyrin: I'm surprised that mysqldump isn't in your PATH already. similarly for apache (though apache commands might need to be run as root). |
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| 14:46.15 | somiaj | sohnyrin: echo $PATH (maybe you ahve something editing your path)? |
| 14:46.26 | somiaj | also for php commands I think you need the php5-cli package installed to run them from the command line |
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| 14:47.54 | sohnyrin | you are right mysqldump is working |
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| 14:48.45 | sohnyrin | but mysql give me an error, I guess i have to configure the correct paths in the mysql config files |
| 14:49.23 | sohnyrin | $PATH = /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 14:51.45 | sohnyrin | is the path recursive? eg can I add the opt fonder in there ? |
| 14:51.51 | sohnyrin | folder |
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| 14:56.42 | f0o | good day! |
| 14:56.51 | somiaj | sohnyrin: it looks in the directories one at a time in the order they are listed, and then uses the first occurance it finds. |
| 14:57.15 | somiaj | sohnyrin: your path should be fine to run mysql, what command are you running? |
| 14:57.30 | somiaj | sohnyrin: note do you have a .my.conf or cnf (forget what mysql calls it) |
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| 14:58.14 | f0o | I have an odd issue with my X :/ - I have docking station that exports 2 HDMI ports. xrandr detects them fine but the GUI (KDE4 atm) merges both HDMI's into one 'DP1' screen, like xinerama does. I've tried creating a X'conf and define the HDMI1 and HDMI2 monitors but still no luck. Any pointers? |
| 14:58.15 | sohnyrin | yep i need to look into that because it seems it cant find the path to the install ( ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)) |
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| 15:01.13 | sohnyrin | ugh I think I have 2 mysql installs.. |
| 15:01.16 | f0o | oddly xrandr shows both HDMI as disconnected and only the DP1 as connected :/ |
| 15:02.47 | psopacua | damnit |
| 15:02.51 | psopacua | again failed the installation =/ |
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| 15:06.02 | psopacua | http://postimg.org/image/55bbcwfm3/ it just doesnt go further |
| 15:06.34 | psopacua | it stays hanging, but the underscore is bleeping the wholetime (I think that means the system isnt freezed/crashesd) |
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| 15:17.22 | psopacua | unbelievable so much trouble installing Debian Jessie next to W10, even Windows 10 isnt coming back in the grub loader =[ |
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| 15:20.21 | psopacua | how can i make it possible to boot my Windows again? i cant even edit the grub bootfile =/ ffs |
| 15:20.38 | blind | Why can't you edit grub |
| 15:20.56 | psopacua | i can edit the entries in the grub bootloader but thats it |
| 15:21.03 | psopacua | further i cant do shit =/ |
| 15:23.18 | psopacua | shit is driving me crazy i never had so many problems before with installing different linux system with grub bootloader next to Windows 7/8/10 |
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| 15:24.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | i recently had that problem and just ended up giving up and wiping windows entirely. |
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| 15:25.03 | Brigo | NoImNotNineVolt, clever :) |
| 15:25.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | not really. now fallout4 is out and of course there's no linux port in sight. |
| 15:25.34 | Brigo | psopacua, i don't really know about w10, but it use to be straightforward. |
| 15:25.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | regrets |
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| 15:26.01 | Brigo | reinstall it, then. |
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| 15:26.16 | psopacua | thats what i though brigo :p |
| 15:26.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | don't have installation media, hp wants $60 for a windows dvd. |
| 15:26.32 | psopacua | NoImNotNineVolt: well im at work im done with Windows & Developing its getting me headache's |
| 15:26.51 | psopacua | but to much file's i need to check out before wipping Windows :p. |
| 15:26.59 | psopacua | On the end yeah im going to whipe windows haha. |
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| 15:27.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | and despite having a valid win7 oem license, i can't find an oem win7 iso :| |
| 15:27.18 | psopacua | NoImNotNineVolt: its on msdn? |
| 15:27.22 | psopacua | of microsoft. :p |
| 15:27.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | psopacua: oem? no it's not. |
| 15:27.40 | psopacua | really :o, i though back in the days i could download an OEM ISO |
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| 15:27.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | that would break oems' revenue stream :P |
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| 15:29.00 | psopacua | https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/software-download/windows7 |
| 15:29.01 | Delf | How do I run pulseaudio system-wide? I'm on Jessie. There doesn't seem to be any service files for pulseaudio |
| 15:29.10 | psopacua | can enter your key and you will get the good iso |
| 15:30.07 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 15:30.11 | abrotman | wrong channel? |
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| 15:30.25 | psopacua | abrotman: your just wanna complain? |
| 15:30.32 | psopacua | maybe go read in what context that paste comes from... |
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| 15:30.48 | abrotman | psopacua: Installing windows isn't a topic for this channel |
| 15:30.55 | psopacua | WE AINT TALKING ABOUT INSTALLING WINDOWS FFS |
| 15:31.00 | psopacua | go read the context please please please |
| 15:31.03 | abrotman | I did |
| 15:31.07 | psopacua | wel so |
| 15:31.08 | psopacua | can you help me out ? |
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| 15:31.13 | psopacua | ionstalling debian jessie next to windows... |
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| 15:32.26 | psopacua | thats what i though |
| 15:32.44 | abrotman | Funny how that involves pointing people at a URL for Windows |
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| 15:33.09 | freeaks | hi there |
| 15:33.26 | psopacua | maybe if you would 3 line's befor that url you maybe maybe maybe understand why i gave that URL to him. |
| 15:33.37 | psopacua | but yeah your reading 1 url and your wanna complain great. |
| 15:33.43 | psopacua | to me your a dickhead then. |
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| 15:33.54 | abrotman | Stop with the namecalling |
| 15:34.20 | abrotman | There's no reason to paste that URL in here, and discuss how to get that ISO. It's not related to Debian |
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| 15:36.48 | freeaks | i have troubles with rsyslog, i have this configuration: http://pastebin.com/YZCYXUiW i'm getting all the other logs but not 'myfile.log' |
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| 15:37.12 | freeaks | someone would know how can find out what is wrong here ? |
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| 15:39.07 | abrotman | freeaks: I thought you had to assign a selector? (#rsyslog may know more) |
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| 15:40.24 | freeaks | abrotman: thanks for the reply, but like what kind of 'selector' ? |
| 15:40.39 | freeaks | i go to #rsyslog and ask there too |
| 15:41.31 | abrotman | freeaks: man rsyslog.conf, it discusses them. You'll see local[1-10]. |
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| 16:16.36 | sslasker | hi |
| 16:17.13 | sslasker | is there a established way to generate self-signed or CA signed certificates during .deb installation? |
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| 16:19.26 | hiya | anyone able to compile john-jumbo on Debian? |
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| 16:20.31 | erudo | hello all! i'm wondering if you fine folks can help me as I seem to be confused....I was trying to make livestreamer-twitch-gui executable from a run dialog. I was following a guide to export the path to /opt but it errored out and i've noticed something strange when i check / in thunar...my /opt folder is now showing as an executable....what have i done -_- |
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| 16:20.44 | erudo | obviously a fresh newbie here |
| 16:21.04 | erudo | and i can't seem to find this issue anywhere to try to solve |
| 16:21.12 | ysionneau | Hi, since recently I have some issues with my Debian Jessie, but I'm not sure how I can diagnose which part of the system is in cause. What happens: very frequently (each 10 or 15 min) Xorg or lightdm or whatever stops, all my windows closes and I go back to the login screen. Any ideas? |
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| 16:21.24 | ysionneau | first to try to see which program is crashing (Xorg ? lightdm?) |
| 16:21.45 | ysionneau | hint: right before crashing, I have some graphics bugs, like some rendering bugs on Chromium for instance |
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| 16:22.11 | greycat | ysionneau: look for errors in ~/.xsession-errors but the latter description makes it sound like X or video drivers, not the WM/clients. |
| 16:22.35 | abrotman | sslasker: during? |
| 16:22.42 | abrotman | oh, during a .deb installation |
| 16:22.44 | sslasker | abrotman: while installing |
| 16:22.52 | abrotman | sslasker: probably ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:22.52 | ysionneau | greycat: .xsession-errors are cleared each boot? or I can boot now and have a look inside ? (or I need to wait for the problem to happen again?) |
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| 16:23.06 | greycat | Why would boot clear files in users' home directories? No. |
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| 16:24.06 | ysionneau | greycat: http://pastebin.com/3frnAxAN |
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| 16:24.39 | ysionneau | another hint: I was using fglrx proprietary driver and I had lots of fglrx errors in dmesg when the crashing happens |
| 16:24.54 | ysionneau | now I use the radeon open source/libre driver, I don't get any kernel error anymore |
| 16:24.54 | greycat | Well. Stop doing that. |
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| 16:25.05 | ysionneau | but I still get the crashes |
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| 16:25.39 | abrotman | sslasker: there used to be a makecert script |
| 16:25.45 | ysionneau | I also tried to recompile my kernel + the radeon kernel module with extra debug informations, but still no messages in dmesg when the crash happens |
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| 16:26.31 | sslasker | abrotman: makecert? ok, thx i ll search that on google |
| 16:27.35 | jhutchins | httpredir is slow this morning. |
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| 16:29.06 | jhutchins | (LTS repo) |
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| 16:30.31 | erudo | can anyone provide any insight as to how one could unintentionally turn /opt directory into an executable? :o and perhaps how to reverse such a silly thing? |
| 16:30.37 | Smither | hey, When booting my laptop i used to get a lot of issues but i managed to fix most of them, but a few still bother me. the first is a sda1 remount-ro error and the second is a direct firmware load failed error. any suggestions on what might be causing these? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7114436e/ |
| 16:30.41 | greycat | erudo: ls -ld /opt |
| 16:30.49 | ysionneau | greycat: from the pastebin what do you think is crashing? |
| 16:31.07 | greycat | ysionneau: I'm not sure anything is. I don't run your programs. I don't know which error messages are normal for your programs. |
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| 16:31.40 | erudo | greycat: -rwxr-xr-x 1 erudo erudo 75560952 Oct 16 08:27 /opt |
| 16:31.58 | ysionneau | ok let's clear it and wait for next crash |
| 16:32.55 | greycat | erudo: was there anything important in there? Can you recover it from a backup? |
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| 16:33.43 | erudo | greycat: i don't believe so, it is on a fresh installation. i was attempting to add a program to it |
| 16:33.48 | erudo | and then this happened -_- |
| 16:34.04 | greycat | Was the program a 75 MB executable file? |
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| 16:34.58 | greycat | If I had to guess what happened, I'd guess something like "rmdir /opt; mv bigfile /opt" |
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| 16:35.05 | erudo | greycat: no it was only like 22mb |
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| 16:35.31 | jhutchins | erudo: what steps did you take to install the program? |
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| 16:36.19 | erudo | jhutchins: sudo mv ~/downloads/livestreamer-twitch-gui/livestreamer-twitch-gui /opt/ |
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| 16:36.34 | jhutchins | erudo: Possibly missed the last slash. |
| 16:36.49 | erudo | also chmod +x /opt/livestreamer-twitch-gui/livestreamer-twitch-gui |
| 16:36.58 | jhutchins | erudo: It doesn't really matter, on a clean install /opt is empty. |
| 16:37.07 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world. I am trying to change the default boot order from grub. I set the default grub entry in /etc/default/grub and ran update-grub but it still boots the wrong kernel. I tried setting by index and by name. if I rename the kernel images such that the kernel I want to boot has the highest version number, then it works. What would be a good way to get this fixed properlay? |
| 16:37.11 | erudo | can i safely delete it and replace it? |
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| 16:37.25 | jhutchins | erudo: Yes. |
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| 16:37.49 | erudo | should i simply do this in root to give it the proper permissions? and also could you help me with assigning those permissions properly if needed? |
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| 16:38.32 | jhutchins | also, mv ~/downloads/livestreamer-twitch-guy /opt/ - you don't need the full path, it will move folder & contents |
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| 16:39.15 | erudo | so simply mv /opt/ while in the directory i want to move? |
| 16:39.21 | jhutchins | erudo: I don't know what permissions or ownership that specific program needs, check documentation/installation instructions from the source. |
| 16:39.22 | erudo | i apologize for the noob questions by the way |
| 16:39.35 | erudo | no i'm talking about the /opt folder's permissions |
| 16:39.40 | greycat | erudo: the last argument of mv is the destination. |
| 16:39.41 | erudo | if i need to assign it any |
| 16:39.44 | jhutchins | erudo: mv <object> <destination> |
| 16:40.02 | greycat | erudo: if /opt is GONE now, you can just mkdir /opt; chmod 755 /opt |
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| 16:40.14 | greycat | erudo: but if that file is still there, take care of that first. |
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| 16:42.04 | jhutchins | erudo: https://github.com/bastimeyer/livestreamer-twitch-gui/wiki/Installation |
| 16:42.09 | erudo | got it - thank you very much for your patience and guidance greycat and jhutchins |
| 16:42.11 | erudo | much appreciated |
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| 16:52.38 | Guest3668 | hey guys. how to install linux on a USB device? (not live) |
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| 16:54.49 | Klaus_Dieter | of course I do not see any error message as this is a remote server and there is no log indicating that anything went wrong when running update-grub |
| 16:54.53 | Klaus_Dieter | so what should I do? |
| 16:55.04 | Klaus_Dieter | this is a debian 8.2 |
| 16:55.23 | Klaus_Dieter | grub-reboot <index> does not work either |
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| 17:18.29 | debian8xfce | hey |
| 17:18.43 | debian8xfce | I have a problem with fonts |
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| 17:19.35 | debian8xfce | some chars are randomly (always the same char, in a random font (usually bold) in a random application) |
| 17:19.42 | debian8xfce | drawn with a line |
| 17:19.47 | debian8xfce | horizontal one |
| 17:20.22 | debian8xfce | I've got this issue in Synaptic, now I see it in iceweasek |
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| 17:21.39 | SynrG | debian8xfce: which video chipset is that? |
| 17:22.04 | SynrG | sounds like an issue i used to have with intel 8xx. horrible piece of junk |
| 17:22.14 | debian8xfce | nvidia gma 950, afair |
| 17:22.30 | SynrG | hmm. non-free driver or free? |
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| 17:23.04 | SynrG | the only times i've seen font corruption with nVidia is with the card burning up due to fan failure :p |
| 17:23.30 | debian8xfce | SynrG: it's intel |
| 17:23.34 | debian8xfce | you were right |
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| 17:23.48 | debian8xfce | intel gma 950 |
| 17:24.01 | anddam | how do I switch to single user mode in a systemd setup? |
| 17:24.11 | SynrG | debian8xfce: on jessie? |
| 17:24.18 | debian8xfce | debian8 |
| 17:24.23 | debian8xfce | I believe it's 'jessie' |
| 17:24.34 | SynrG | yeah. |
| 17:24.40 | SynrG | gma 950 is fairly old/stable |
| 17:25.00 | SynrG | shouldn't be glitching out on you like that |
| 17:25.13 | debian8xfce | well, it's always a random |
| 17:25.18 | debian8xfce | different chars |
| 17:25.19 | debian8xfce | not always |
| 17:25.22 | debian8xfce | usually bold |
| 17:25.37 | SynrG | a laptop? |
| 17:26.08 | AvatarA | anddam, systemctl rescue I think |
| 17:27.05 | debian8xfce | yes, a netbook |
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| 17:28.26 | P4 | hello. whenever i connect my android device to debian stretch and enable USB thethering the new network interface shows up with totally random name e.g. enx1262e0d9b916 and not usb0. that prevents me from setting /etc/network/interfaces up because i don't know the exact name of enx* interface to be configured. do you know why is it doing so? how can i change it so the name always look the same, e.g. usb0? i'm |
| 17:28.28 | P4 | on 4.2.6-1 kernel. |
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| 17:28.46 | anddam | AvatarA: yep, readig the man page now, thnks |
| 17:28.49 | SynrG | debian8xfce: yeah, that's what i thought. so really old, then. 2008 or 2009-ish? |
| 17:29.03 | debian8xfce | SynrG: I believe it's way older |
| 17:29.16 | Guest12364 | hi |
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| 17:31.00 | SynrG | debian8xfce: the first netbook was manufactured in 2007 |
| 17:31.13 | SynrG | gma 950 wasn't used with those. that was i915 |
| 17:31.24 | anddam | AvatarA: odd, I did it once and xdm restarted, did it a second time and xorg didn't |
| 17:31.35 | SynrG | so i'm concerned because the build quality wasn't all that great |
| 17:31.45 | SynrG | how's thermal? keeping cool? |
| 17:31.58 | debian8xfce | on windows it's okay |
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| 17:32.08 | SynrG | hmm |
| 17:32.11 | debian8xfce | on debian I managed to configure term sensors |
| 17:32.18 | SynrG | when did the problem first start occurring? |
| 17:32.20 | debian8xfce | and they are "core0' and 'temp1' |
| 17:32.23 | SynrG | yeah |
| 17:32.43 | debian8xfce | temp1 sometimes hits 59 C, while limit is 60 C |
| 17:33.00 | debian8xfce | core0 is ~35C with limit ~90C |
| 17:33.31 | SynrG | i think they started putting those gma950s into the first atoms |
| 17:33.44 | debian8xfce | yeah. it's an atom n270 |
| 17:33.45 | SynrG | n270 or so |
| 17:33.55 | debian8xfce | acer aspire one aoa110 |
| 17:34.03 | debian8xfce | 2007-2008 |
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| 17:34.19 | SynrG | yeah. debian-eeepc project used to be my thing |
| 17:34.35 | SynrG | so when did the problem first start occurring? |
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| 17:35.46 | debian8xfce | when i installed debian :) |
| 17:36.56 | Chocolate_Chip | Hello. I have an issue with my computer. The sound starts muted and completly turned down. I was rectifying this by putting the command amixer sset Master unmute in my LXDE autostartt file, but now that doesn't even work. I think I uninstalled the wrong package |
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| 17:37.17 | Chocolate_Chip | So why does the sound start muted and turned to 0 in the first place? |
| 17:37.22 | SynrG | debian8xfce: which was ... recently? |
| 17:38.16 | SynrG | debian8xfce: i suppose if it's a driver issue, you could try a new kernel and/or xserver driver |
| 17:38.20 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 17:38.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-trunk-686-pae (4.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.6-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u6) |
| 17:38.24 | debian8xfce | yeah, i guess a week |
| 17:38.31 | SynrG | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:38.32 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917-2; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2; experimental: 2:2.99.917+git20151019-1~exp1 |
| 17:38.40 | SynrG | debian8xfce: ^^ jessie-backports of both of those |
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| 17:39.06 | P4 | feels so ignored each time asking a question here… :( |
| 17:40.06 | SynrG | P4: if you want to be ignored on a more appropriate channel, testing/unstable are supported on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 17:40.24 | P4 | oh, thanks for the hint, SynrG :) |
| 17:40.38 | SynrG | np |
| 17:40.45 | SynrG | lower traffic than here, too |
| 17:40.47 | debian8xfce | SynrG: i already know how to configure backports, should i just upd my packages or install the ones you mentioned? |
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| 17:41.10 | SynrG | well, nothing is automatically installed from backports |
| 17:41.13 | Iota | Happy Pizza Friday, #debian! \o/ |
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| 17:41.24 | SynrG | you have to explicitly specify the packages you want to install from jessie-backports |
| 17:41.28 | P4 | i wish #debian-next was relayed to freenode with some supybot or other ;) |
| 17:41.32 | SynrG | so yes, just those two |
| 17:41.37 | SynrG | P4: ugggh |
| 17:41.39 | SynrG | no |
| 17:41.49 | SynrG | bot relays are horrible |
| 17:41.50 | debian8xfce | SynrG: i mean i'm not sure i have those pkgs installed but with lower versions, as you supposed |
| 17:42.12 | SynrG | debian8xfce: oh? |
| 17:42.51 | Chocolate_Chip | Is anyone here to help me with my audio settings |
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| 17:43.31 | SynrG | debian8xfce: let's see. n270 is a 32-bit atom, so you're on i386, so do you have linux-image-686? |
| 17:44.00 | SynrG | er, linux-image-686-pae, i mean |
| 17:44.19 | debian8xfce | SynrG: yeah |
| 17:44.28 | debian8xfce | well, wait |
| 17:44.30 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: there's a save/restore mixer thingy. i forget the name of it |
| 17:45.13 | debian8xfce | SynrG: v3.16+63 |
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| 17:45.37 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: alsa-utils has it. alsa-store and alsa-restore. it provides unit files for systemd and also an init script |
| 17:45.56 | Chocolate_Chip | k. I'll get those packages |
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| 17:46.04 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: so that should manage on shutdown saving the current mixer state, and on startup restoring the last mixer state |
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| 17:46.12 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: it's only one package, alsa-utils |
| 17:46.19 | SynrG | it contains those utilities |
| 17:46.35 | SynrG | services, i mean |
| 17:46.40 | Chocolate_Chip | Installing |
| 17:46.55 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: really stripped down install? |
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| 17:47.04 | SynrG | a normal desktop install would have it already |
| 17:47.23 | Chocolate_Chip | No. not stripped down |
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| 17:47.33 | Chocolate_Chip | I just ran a ricing script. Must have messed it up a bit |
| 17:47.47 | SynrG | debian8xfce: right, so apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-686-pae should upgrade to the backports kernel |
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| 17:47.58 | SynrG | ,v linux-image-686-pae |
| 17:47.59 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-686-pae' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:48.10 | SynrG | ,v linux-image-686-pae --arch i386 |
| 17:48.12 | judd | Package: linux-image-686-pae on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.2+68~bpo8+2; stretch: 4.2+68; sid: 4.2+68 |
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| 17:48.48 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: ricing script? |
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| 17:49.46 | Chocolate_Chip | https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing |
| 17:49.48 | Chocolate_Chip | This |
| 17:50.12 | debian8xfce | ,backports |
| 17:50.16 | Chocolate_Chip | It's a bash script that makes it look better, maybe adds some more functionality, faster features |
| 17:50.34 | Chocolate_Chip | It's my own scriupt, actually. I don't know how I got it to mess up like that |
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| 17:51.20 | greycat | I would never expect a bash script written to modify a Gentoo system at the root/package level to work on Debian. |
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| 17:51.42 | Chocolate_Chip | It's not designed to modfify a gentoo system |
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| 17:51.51 | Chocolate_Chip | The name "The Install Gentoo Wiki" is an inside joike |
| 17:52.06 | Chocolate_Chip | https://github.com/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript |
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| 17:54.29 | SynrG | dmm? arrrghh. abandon hope |
| 17:54.45 | SynrG | !dmm |
| 17:54.46 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 17:55.16 | SynrG | so basically, a script to make it easy for newbies to make changes to their system that will cause us support nightmares here. |
| 17:55.35 | SynrG | tnx |
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| 17:58.12 | debian8xfce | SynrG: lot's of W: possible missing firmware |
| 17:58.21 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: with all the changes made there, you've essentially made a debian derivative. |
| 17:58.30 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: hope you have the resources to support it. we won't. |
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| 17:59.07 | SynrG | it injects a buttload of third-party stuff |
| 17:59.35 | debian8xfce | SynrG: should I reboot now or something? |
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| 17:59.51 | r0xtedy | hjg |
| 17:59.52 | dontknow | debian stable is great desktop |
| 17:59.55 | SynrG | debian8xfce: also install the firmware backports |
| 18:00.02 | debian8xfce | SynrG: how? |
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| 18:00.19 | SynrG | debian8xfce: do you hvae firmware-linux-nonfree, or just firmware-linux? |
| 18:00.42 | SynrG | debian8xfce: install at least: apt-get install -t jessie-backports firmware-linux, and also firmware-linux-nonfree, but only if you already have that one |
| 18:00.52 | debian8xfce | SynrG: I have -free |
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| 18:00.54 | SynrG | sorry. forgot about it |
| 18:01.01 | SynrG | k |
| 18:01.13 | SynrG | so just do that one |
| 18:01.14 | dontknow | it is being said that arch is faster than debian but i think it is wrong |
| 18:01.37 | debian8xfce | apt-get install -t jessie-backports firmware-linux-free ? |
| 18:01.41 | dontknow | debian is as fast as arch |
| 18:01.52 | SynrG | dontknow: whatever "has been said", this isn't a debian support question. do you have an actual support question? |
| 18:02.06 | dontknow | SynrG, no just chatting |
| 18:02.08 | SynrG | debian8xfce: correct |
| 18:02.17 | SynrG | dontknow: see #debian-offtopic for just chatting |
| 18:02.37 | dontknow | :( :p |
| 18:02.40 | debian8xfce | SynrG: says I already have an up to datest version |
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| 18:03.02 | SynrG | dontknow: don't be sad. we like chatting there :) |
| 18:03.17 | SynrG | ,v firmware-linux-free |
| 18:03.18 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-free on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.32-48squeeze16; squeeze-backports: 3.2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2; jessie: 3.3; sid: 3.4; stretch: 3.4 |
| 18:03.28 | SynrG | interesting. no backport available anyway |
| 18:03.44 | SynrG | debian8xfce: which specific firmwares does it complain about? maybe they got split into nonfree |
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| 18:04.58 | debian8xfce | !paste |
| 18:04.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:05.24 | damasceno | Hello. I removed the libc6 by accident trying to downgrade it, I rebooted the server with a LiveCD, I'm trying to mount it with chroot but it's not working, it throws the error: "chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory", does anyone know how to fix it without reinstall the O.S? thanks. |
| 18:05.29 | dontknow | SynrG, no one wants chat in offtopic :p |
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| 18:06.05 | debian8xfce | SynrG: all missing firmware are related to rtl_nic |
| 18:06.15 | debian8xfce | seems like nothing to do with fonts issue |
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| 18:14.33 | SynrG | debian8xfce: yeah, but if the kernel upgrade means needed firmware is now missing, you might need it before you reboot |
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| 18:14.47 | SynrG | debian8xfce: do you have non-free enabled? |
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| 18:14.57 | SynrG | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 18:14.58 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 0.44~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20151018-2; stretch/non-free: 20151018-2 |
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| 18:15.16 | SynrG | debian8xfce: apt-get install -t jessie-backports firmware-realtek |
| 18:15.21 | SynrG | (needs non-free enabled) |
| 18:15.28 | SynrG | backports non-free, specifically |
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| 18:25.08 | whatsfallout | Hello everyone. Huge issue. The libc6 was purged from the server.... How can we recover and put to work that library? We are working remotly... Someone from the data center put sysresccd, so we can run commands but not chroot |
| 18:25.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | that doesn't sound fun. |
| 18:26.06 | whatsfallout | not |
| 18:26.13 | whatsfallout | not at all |
| 18:26.21 | greycat | Extract the data.tar.gz file from the libc6 package into the target directory, reboot, pray. |
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| 18:32.16 | Vanfanel | Hi. I'm setting up a Jessie system without dbus. The problem is that it spawns 6 tty consoles and I conly need 2 of them. I tried editting /lib/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty-static.service and leave the ExecStart line like this: "ExecStart=/bin/systemctl --no-block start getty@tty2.service" with no results: it INSISTS in spawning 6 ttys. How can I convince getty-static.service to init 2 ttys onl |
| 18:32.22 | Vanfanel | y? |
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| 18:33.16 | whatsfallout | greycat: I have been praying the whole day |
| 18:33.16 | greycat | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56531/how-to-get-fewer-ttys-with-systemd |
| 18:34.35 | Vanfanel | greycat: that's where I got the idea of editing /lib/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty-static.service from. It's no use as I said. |
| 18:35.23 | whatsfallout | another question folks. How can I mount specific directories like var, etc and so on |
| 18:35.55 | damasceno | Ola que tal? |
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| 18:36.34 | Vanfanel | hola, damasceno :) |
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| 18:46.16 | AvatarA | Vanfanel, but why edit the .service? |
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| 18:55.20 | HD|Laptop | Anyone here knows how to play a sequence of two tones with sox? |
| 18:55.21 | HD|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.37 | HD|Laptop | I've tried this but it only plays the 2 kHz tone (might also be a synthesis of both tones at once) |
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| 19:25.28 | ewew | Will package ext3grepp stay in debian ? It looks like upstream is not developing it and it has some bugs. |
| 19:26.28 | greycat | Then file bug reports. |
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| 19:32.44 | SynrG | there are similar tools in debian |
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| 19:49.48 | toogley | does debian store somewhere a dark gtk userscript? |
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| 19:50.36 | toogley | (my xombrero browser uses one i like a lot, so i want to save that) |
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| 19:56.36 | hasanakgoz | test |
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| 20:05.49 | AndyKay | Dear Debian people, what should I change in my /etc/apt/sources.list? http://pastebin.ca/3263591 |
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| 20:07.16 | ewew | AndyKay Post your actual contents of sources.list. |
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| 20:07.53 | AndyKay | ewew http://pastebin.ca/3263597 |
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| 20:08.25 | ewew | AndyKay ok. did you apt-get update before ? |
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| 20:08.57 | AndyKay | ewew I've done apt-get install before, usually worked just fine |
| 20:09.04 | AndyKay | Never did update though I think |
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| 20:10.15 | AndyKay | ewew it says IP not found so I presume something has changed since the last release of my outdated OS |
| 20:10.27 | AndyKay | I'm sticking to Crunchbang so far though |
| 20:10.37 | ewew | hides from not updated server |
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| 20:11.20 | AndyKay | Ehhh |
| 20:11.47 | blind | Why would you come here instead of ##crunchbang ? |
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| 20:12.48 | AndyKay | shrugs |
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| 20:16.11 | ewew | AndyKay Today i have installed from that mirror. so i assume that it is working. the problem is your machine does not know that there are newer packages. |
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| 20:17.00 | ewew | AndyKay I dont know how much is your server outdated. |
| 20:17.44 | AndyKay | ewew hmm doing apt-get update |
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| 20:18.06 | ewew | AndyKay On your own risk. |
| 20:18.20 | AndyKay | ..now it is downloading something |
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| 20:19.12 | AndyKay | OK seems it worked, thanks |
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| 20:21.03 | AndyKay | Yaaaay now I got python3.5 |
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| 20:21.44 | ewew | AndyKay Carefull. |
| 20:21.57 | AndyKay | ...why |
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| 20:31.41 | stadjak | Since upgrading the other day, my keyboard input is wonky. If I haven't typed anything in 3 seconds the first 1sec of characters go to /dev/null, then everything works fine. USB keyboard. Pasting text via mouse click has no such problem. Debian Testing. Any idea what causes this? paste.debian.net/334421 (list of changes since problem occurred). |
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| 20:34.16 | stadjak | only a problem with the USB keyboard -- the laptop hardware keyboard doesn't have the issue. |
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| 20:35.42 | ompaul | stadjak: a question or two for you, have you restarted since, did you dist-upgrade today? |
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| 20:36.29 | stadjak | @ompaul: I believe the problem occurred w/o reboot. But I have rebooted since. I also did a dist-upgrade, yes (before reboot -- and probably before the problem started). |
| 20:36.32 | jhutchins | stadjak: Upgrading from what to what? |
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| 20:36.47 | ompaul | stadjak: did you dist-upgrade today? |
| 20:37.28 | stadjak | @ompaul: no dist-upgrade changes were offered to me today. So, no. |
| 20:37.50 | stadjak | @jhutchins: debian stretch (Testing) |
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| 20:38.35 | ompaul | stadjak: - so the right place is irc.oftc.net and #debian-next I'm on SID and much of the infrastructure was refreshed in the last couple of days. usb dev and systemd |
| 20:38.37 | stadjak | @jhutchins: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 20:39.09 | ompaul | I don't know exactly which day |
| 20:39.29 | stadjak | @ompaul: okay, so I should take this to irc.oftc.net ? OKay, open a window for that, thanks. |
| 20:39.44 | ompaul | stadjak: it might be better are we are not ontopic for here |
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| 21:05.06 | okee | can someone refresh me on how to set the date? I tried the %z option, and it won't update. |
| 21:05.24 | anddam | okee: i just reconfigure ntp |
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| 21:06.07 | okee | amddam> How do i do that? |
| 21:06.36 | greycat | okee: make sure ntp is installed, make sure /etc/ntp.conf looks sane, and reboot. |
| 21:07.52 | okee | i just did cat /etc/ntp.conf and came back with an error message, indicating no such file or directory. Does that mean it isn't installed? |
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| 21:08.09 | greycat | okee: apt-get install ntp |
| 21:09.23 | okee | greycat> It is installed, but the clock in the lower right hand corner is still more than an hour ahead. |
| 21:09.39 | greycat | Lower right corner implies some sort of GUI. Did you reboot? |
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| 21:10.12 | okee | greycat> I didnii't know I needed to. I thought the installation would be live after installing. |
| 21:10.30 | greycat | 16:06 greycat> okee: make sure ntp is installed, make sure /etc/ntp.conf looks sane, and reboot. |
| 21:10.32 | okee | greycat> I am using the xfce interface on Debian stable. |
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| 21:11.18 | greycat | When your clock is off by more than a small handful of seconds, ntp can't gradually slide it back into alignment. It needs a huge jolt. That can only happen at boot time. |
| 21:11.36 | anddam | greycat: why the explicit reboot rather than an install or dpkg-reconfigure of ntp? |
| 21:11.43 | greycat | When your clock is off by more than a small handful of seconds, ntp can't gradually slide it back into alignment. It needs a huge jolt. That can only happen at boot time. |
| 21:12.15 | anddam | oh the delta threshold is that small in ntp? |
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| 21:12.42 | anddam | someoen the other day suggested me an alternative, but i didn't got even an hour was too much |
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| 21:13.54 | anddam | "chrony" was the suggested package |
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| 21:14.11 | anddam | and ChrisH the culprit |
| 21:14.16 | anddam | okee: any better? |
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| 21:16.40 | okee | anddam> Yes, much better. It is now showing up correctly, and thanks for your help. |
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| 21:26.16 | anddam | it was actuall greycat, but still |
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| 21:33.17 | toothe | I can't seem to find Debian's cgroup documentatino. |
| 21:33.21 | toothe | documentation* |
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| 21:37.13 | debian8xfce | hey, I have a problem with pings: returning packets are duped |
| 21:37.18 | debian8xfce | why's that so? |
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| 21:38.06 | debian8xfce | weird |
| 21:38.10 | debian8xfce | not all pings |
| 21:38.28 | debian8xfce | bot only the ones that go by a domain name |
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| 21:38.49 | debian8xfce | e.g.: ping google.com - I get dupes, ping 8.8.8.8 - no dupes |
| 21:38.59 | debian8xfce | (wi-fi connection) |
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| 21:40.12 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 21:40.27 | Amarande | any way to be able to retry a crappy wifi connection during netinst without having to reboot all over from scratch every time? |
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| 21:40.58 | Amarande | it pleads "timed out" after like, ONE SECOND, and then if you try again after it can't get through, the alt-f4 console shows INTERFACE_DISABLED all the way down until you three finger salute and start over from the beginning |
| 21:41.16 | Amarande | (meanwhile my phone that's sitting right next to the PC can get on the same wifi router just fine) |
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| 21:49.02 | debian8xfce | so I installed a sniffer and the problem has just gone |
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| 21:52.38 | debian8xfce | is there a way to configure the terminal in such a way that the programs that require superuser rights would autocomplete after I typed 'sudo'? |
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| 21:53.16 | debian8xfce | I mean I installed tcpdump, but typing 'sudo tcpd' + {tab} doesn't autocomplete it into 'sudo tcpdump' |
| 21:53.45 | toothe | anyone know where the Debian cgroup documentation is? |
| 21:53.47 | toothe | I can't seem to find it. |
| 21:55.14 | somiaj | debian8xfce: look into bash tabcompletion. There are ways to make it do different thigs depending on the command. I'm sure it is possible and probably just need to copy over the config to make it work. |
| 21:55.20 | somiaj | debian8xfce: I don't know exactly how to do that though. |
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| 21:56.38 | Somelauw | I have both wicd and network-manager installed. Is there a way to disable wicd that is cleaner than just removing /etc/init.d/wicd? |
| 21:56.41 | debian8xfce | somiaj: ok, if advanceds like you don't have it configured, I guess I'll just leave it as is and suffer a tiny bit from time to time |
| 21:57.15 | somiaj | debian8xfce: I'm unsure. My install is so old that I don't have a lot of the fancy new tab-completion stuff setup since I'm using configs from years ago. |
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| 21:57.52 | somiaj | debian8xfce: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=45613 first google hit gave me an easy way to get it to work. |
| 21:57.54 | debian8xfce | somiaj: why don't you keep your system updated? |
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| 22:00.00 | debian8xfce | btw, another issue: I open a system file for editing, make changes and then want to save them but it turns out that I forgot to sudo when opening that file. |
| 22:01.01 | Somelauw | I just read that /etc/init.d is for sysinit and that with systemd I should use systemctl instead, but there is not systemctl disable wicd. |
| 22:02.04 | debian8xfce | and thus I have to close the editor without changes getting commited |
| 22:02.19 | debian8xfce | then reopen it with sudo |
| 22:02.25 | debian8xfce | and then repeat all the changes |
| 22:02.32 | debian8xfce | and only then saving works |
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| 22:02.48 | debian8xfce | I hate that such a small mistake makes me repeat all those actions |
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| 22:06.19 | Somelauw | + |
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| 22:09.46 | Amarande | Somelauw, why would you want to remove wicd and keep network-manager? wicd is generally far more robust, especially for wifi |
| 22:09.54 | Amarande | mind you, I can't seem to get my wifi to work at ALL right now |
| 22:10.20 | Amarande | which kinda sucks since I just had a disk failure and need to reinstall debian on the new ssd and I've got the dreaded realtek 8168 onboard for wired ethernet heh |
| 22:11.40 | Somelauw | Amarande: because 1. It has no support for VPN. 2. I couldn't get it to work with Tunneled TLS. If it had both these features I would continue using it. |
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| 22:19.34 | somiaj | debian8xfce: it isn't that my system is outdated, it is dist-upgrades don't always install new configs, they keep my old configs around so I odn't always get the new features turned on when I upgrade. |
| 22:19.55 | Amarande | aaaanyway. |
| 22:20.09 | Amarande | 1) what is the reason that wifi goes into INTERFACE_DISABLED after a failed connection attempt? |
| 22:20.18 | Amarande | 2) how do you prevent/repair INTERFACE_DISABLED so you can try again |
| 22:20.50 | Amarande | and 3) interference or do I have a dead wifi card? (It worked just fine on my previous Debian installation - or so it seemed, maybe those YouTube stutterings were a bad sign - but now I can't get it to handshake to do the netinst) |
| 22:21.17 | somiaj | Amarande: What is failing? Do you have the firmware for your interface installed? What is failing and putting it in that state? Do you have a hardware or software on/off switched turned off (check rfkill) |
| 22:22.25 | Somelauw | Amarande: anyway, how do you normally enable/disable wicd? |
| 22:23.11 | Somelauw | For network-manager, systemctl enable/disable network-manager.service works |
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| 22:23.19 | somiaj | Somelauw: That should work. What does systemctl status wicd say? |
| 22:23.25 | Amarande | somiaj: rfkill isn't available during the netinst boot environment |
| 22:23.39 | Amarande | (and there's no hardware switch, it's an internal PCIe, AR9485 based card) |
| 22:23.53 | somiaj | Amarande: either is non-free firmware if you don't have the non-free firmware installer. Missing firmware makes it so the cards don't work correctly. |
| 22:24.07 | Amarande | from what I recall, when I checked the alt-f4 console it kept "timing out" (even though it only took about *one second* to do so, what bloody software has a one-second timeout?!) |
| 22:24.19 | Amarande | ar9485 is ath9k, no blob required |
| 22:24.42 | somiaj | and dmesg doesn't seem to say anything about what is going on? |
| 22:24.47 | Amarande | ironically, it's my wired connection that asks for a firmware blob (although it still seems to detect without it ... r8168 is an odd beast) |
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| 22:25.14 | somiaj | yea, it is kinda hit and miss what needs the firmware. Usually wired doens't and wifi does, but that isn't always the case. |
| 22:25.41 | Amarande | I'm getting a lot of these: |
| 22:25.43 | Amarande | [ 85.101765] wlan0: authenticate with c8:d3:a3:5f:c6:15 |
| 22:25.52 | Somelauw | somiaj: https://pastee.org/w9tsc |
| 22:25.56 | Amarande | then three "direct probe to (that MAC) (try x/3)" lines |
| 22:26.07 | Amarande | then [ 85.730488] wlan0: authentication with c8:d3:a3:5f:c6:15 timed out |
| 22:26.15 | Amarande | that's from ubuntu live's dmesg, but it does the same on debian |
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| 22:26.32 | somiaj | Somelauw: systemctl disable wicd should work, what error do you get? |
| 22:26.34 | Amarande | and like I said, when on earth is 0.63 seconds long enough for something to fail with a timeout :P |
| 22:27.42 | Amarande | It worked perfectly through yesterday though, apart from YouTube sometimes getting caught in a buffering loop (also looking at the connection info on Ubuntu showed it regularly dropping to 1Mb/sec ... did not do so on Debian though, it was staying solid at 135 Mb/sec) |
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| 22:28.44 | Amarande | Unfortunately, when I woke up yesterday morning, I found out that my hard drive had died during the night (+1 for Linux btw, if I was on Windows I'm sure I wouldn't even have got to continue using the system till shutdown, probably have got a Sad screen instead heh) |
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| 22:29.19 | Amarande | I hope this isn't a case of when it rains it pours and my wifi card bit the dust as well :( |
| 22:29.28 | Somelauw | somiaj: I just tried and it actually works. It just thought it wouldn't because the name wicd wouldn't autocomplete. Solved. |
| 22:30.12 | Amarande | Reorienting the antenna seems to help sometimes, but because of that whole INTERFACE_DISABLED BS it's not practical to keep trying |
| 22:30.33 | Amarande | (as in, I have to reboot and start the whole netinst process over from the beginning in order to un-disable the interface to even be allowed to try to get on wifi again) |
| 22:31.08 | Amarande | what I'm wondering is why it auto disables stuff like that (and if there's any kind of driver option etc. to prevent it from doing so) |
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| 22:31.32 | Amarande | some kind of good neighbour policy or something to keep you from ruining the airwaves for everyone else with a constant hammering "LET ME IN"? :| |
| 22:31.45 | Amarande | (the Wi-Fi consortium seems to love making sure you're a good neighbour :P) |
| 22:32.01 | Amarande | you know, what if I WANT to be a bad neighbour ... :D LOL |
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| 22:38.30 | frikinz | to big page to display? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=linux |
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| 22:40.37 | Amarande | ... also, a wifi card shouldn't die after only 5-6 months should it? :| |
| 22:41.02 | frikinz | Is there any way to get bts from command line? |
| 22:41.08 | Amarande | (actually hmm, is this the old or the new rosewill ar9485 card that's in this machine, now I can't remember if the one that's only 5-6 months old is in the other box) |
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| 22:49.45 | waressearcher2 | there is that tool "free" it shows RAM usage is there some tool that shows what memory kernel uses ? like that variable vm.min_free_kbytes it sents some amount for kernel to use, so how to find out how much kernel uses now of that limit ? |
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| 22:51.23 | Amarande | actually before I write off my wifi card as dead ... jessie 8.2 didn't introduce any kind of regression in the installer, did it? |
| 22:51.26 | pasturesofplenty | slabtop maybe? |
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| 22:51.38 | Amarande | I remember now that when jessie was in testing, the installer never wanted to connect through wifi, but then it worked fine once it was released |
| 22:52.16 | Amarande | however, when I last installed, that was 8.0, not 8.2 |
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| 22:56.00 | waressearcher2 | is it called "jessie" because of taht character from "Breaking Bad" ? |
| 22:56.33 | polyphagia | no, toy story |
| 22:57.02 | waressearcher2 | how much there characters in toy story and how many were used up allready ? |
| 22:57.05 | Amarande | yeah, all Debian versions are named after characters from Toy Story movies |
| 22:57.21 | Amarande | I believe it has something to do with that one of the original Debian project folks worked for Disney/Pixar on the movie |
| 22:57.29 | polyphagia | eight characters ae used |
| 22:57.34 | polyphagia | and there are quite a bit |
| 22:57.35 | polyphagia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 22:58.20 | waressearcher2 | but eventually, what names will they choose when run out of names from Toy Story ? |
| 22:58.58 | polyphagia | dunno, maybe they'll choose another pixar movie |
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| 22:59.15 | polyphagia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pixar_films |
| 22:59.18 | polyphagia | quite a bit of those too |
| 22:59.20 | pasturesofplenty | by the time they run out of names linux wont be a thing |
| 22:59.39 | polyphagia | either way this is starting to get off topic |
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| 23:02.03 | Polesch | Where do I download this image? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/Chemistry |
| 23:03.34 | polyphagia | Polesch: you can install the education-chemistry package |
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| 23:03.43 | Polesch | Where is that |
| 23:03.50 | polyphagia | the repositories |
| 23:03.58 | Polesch | Ah okay |
| 23:04.10 | Polesch | Will Debian run on an NVMe PCIe SSD? |
| 23:04.22 | Polesch | Samsung Pro 950 |
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| 23:06.23 | jhutchins | Polesch: Try it and you tell us! |
| 23:06.37 | Polesch | Will try it first thing tomorrow! |
| 23:06.54 | jhutchins | Polesch: Linux doesn't have any issues with ssd that I know of, and I presume that's a regular laptop. |
| 23:07.32 | jhutchins | Polesch: Possible challenges with wifi, full graphics accelleration, peripherals like card readers. Basics should work fine out of the box. |
| 23:07.46 | Amarande | Polesch: best to put noatime in fstab for ssd partitions though, and perhaps discard |
| 23:07.58 | jhutchins | Polesch: I say possible problems because those are the areas that sometimes have trouble, not because I think they're likely. |
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| 23:08.04 | Amarande | (discard = automatic TRIM as soon as files are deleted, noatime saves you writes) |
| 23:08.26 | jhutchins | Amarande: Most drives handle that internally now. |
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| 23:12.36 | Polesch | What's the difference between the images numbered? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 23:20.06 | jhutchins | 3 |
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| 23:21.39 | jhutchins | Polesch: Like the page says, lots o' packages. |
| 23:21.52 | jhutchins | Polesch: Start with disk 1 or netinstall. |
| 23:21.55 | jhutchins | !netinstall |
| 23:21.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 23:23.32 | localhost_ | heeeeeeeeeee |
| 23:23.33 | Polesch | I see |
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| 23:26.17 | bazhang | ,v cinnamon-control-center |
| 23:26.18 | judd | Package: cinnamon-control-center on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.11-4; stretch: 2.6.0-2; sid: 2.6.0-2 |
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| 23:37.50 | SudoU | hello everyone, how many passes of badblocks would make sure the state of a drive? |
| 23:39.04 | Amarande | SudoU: normally one non-destructive pass is enough to check for actual bad sectors, from what I've seen |
| 23:39.14 | Amarande | normally I use the heavy duty destructive test more as a data wipe than as an actual test |
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| 23:40.49 | SudoU | Amarande, so one non-destructive and one destructive should be enough, then |
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| 23:43.48 | SudoU | about data wipe, would badblocks be preferable over dd, i.e. faster, more certain..? |
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| 23:50.31 | jhutchins | SudoU: Probably not faster. |
| 23:51.17 | SudoU | jhutchins, but better wipe? |
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| 23:52.44 | jhutchins | SudoU: I dunno, I've never compared them. |
| 23:52.51 | jhutchins | SudoU: Frankly I just use dban. |
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| 23:57.18 | Somelauw | It seems that nowadays it is possible to run wicd and network-manager at the same time. If that is smart I don't know. |
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| 23:58.17 | jhutchins | Somelauw: It is not. |
| 23:58.37 | Somelauw | jhutchins: what can possibly go wrong? |
| 23:58.44 | jhutchins | Somelauw: One or the other, and NM has surpassed wicd for several years |
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