| 00:00.08 | PerfDave | Is there a HOWTO for getting a serial console up and running on Jessie? Specifically, I'm trying to enable serial-over-LAN via an HP iLO interface. |
| 00:00.25 | PerfDave | I'm not sure how it works in this world of systemd and suchlike |
| 00:02.01 | jhutchins | PerfDave: Doesn't the iLO have a console? |
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| 00:04.09 | PerfDave | jhutchins: When I do "sol activate" through ipmitool, I don't get anything, and I can see a bunch of agetty processes for /dev/tty{1..4} but nothing for ttyS0 or ttyS1 |
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| 00:05.04 | PerfDave | jhutchins: Ah, the right runes are "systemctl start getty@ttyS1.service" |
| 00:05.05 | SudoU | jhutchins, Amarande, thank you very much for your insights! |
| 00:05.06 | SudoU | ciao! |
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| 00:06.23 | jhutchins | Ciao bella! |
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| 00:24.22 | foul_owl | Hi folks. I'm trying to install torch: http://torch.ch/docs/getting-started.html but I'm getting: "Specify CUDA_TOOLKIT_ROOT_DIR" any thoughts on what package I need here and what this directory might be? |
| 00:24.35 | foul_owl | (I have an nvidia card and my card supports cuda) |
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| 00:32.43 | smokeyj | Installed a LAMP server on a F22 machine. Did not work out well. Got tip that Debian would be more suited for it |
| 00:33.01 | iWaldo | i'm having trouble with dnsmasq. i've set up my windows pc to use my home server as the DNS and websites work fine. i cannot use the names defined in the server's /etc/hosts file to connect to local devices. another symptom is that if i access a site from my windows pc the host/ip do not seem to be cached on my server (dig www.example.com does not speed up until i have pinged the remote server from my home server) |
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| 00:45.21 | psopacua | anyone knowns why debian doesnt boot further then: postimg.org/image/55bbcwfm3/ |
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| 00:51.02 | Brigo | psopacua, enable early console debug |
| 00:51.23 | Brigo | psopacua, check this: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ |
| 00:52.13 | psopacua | iwill take a look at it thanks |
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| 01:04.14 | AlbertoCardona | Hola |
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| 01:09.57 | ceerda | Hello. |
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| 01:10.44 | AlbertoCardona | Me siento algo torpe, es la primera vez aquÃ, alguién me lee, solo quiero confirmar...... |
| 01:11.01 | markybob | !es |
| 01:11.02 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 01:11.24 | AlbertoCardona | excelente, gracias !! |
| 01:11.49 | ceerda | I had download Canopy for my Debian, and i excluded the Enthought directory from my home directory and now, everytime i open a terminal window, it shows an error. |
| 01:12.04 | ceerda | How can i fix this? Please. |
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| 01:18.33 | mniip | so I tried installing python-pip, and it threw an error: https://bpaste.net/raw/a22e4a993387 |
| 01:18.46 | mniip | and everything went downhill from there on. basically everything python is now broken |
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| 01:21.28 | lynxer11 | good evening folks |
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| 01:24.56 | markybob | mniip, looks like you just need to apt-get install python-configparser |
| 01:25.03 | mniip | that's not a thing |
| 01:25.54 | markybob | ,v python-configparser |
| 01:25.55 | judd | Package: python-configparser on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.3.0r2-1~bpo70+1; sid: 3.3.0r2-2; jessie: 3.3.0r2-2; stretch: 3.3.0r2-2 |
| 01:25.58 | markybob | sure it is |
| 01:27.13 | ceerda | I had download Canopy for my Debian, and i excluded the Enthought directory from my home directory and now, everytime i open a terminal window, it shows an error. |
| 01:27.24 | ceerda | Please. Help. ;) |
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| 01:31.32 | mniip | markybob, 'wheezy-backports' |
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| 01:32.20 | AlbertoElMago | Hola |
| 01:33.49 | AlbertoElMago | Si tengo dudas sobre Debian 8.2, puedo preguntar aquÃ? |
| 01:34.01 | markybob | !es |
| 01:34.02 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 01:37.52 | Ring0` | How would aptitude look like if there was a pckage with the same name but two different versions from two different sources. Would it show only the latest? both? |
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| 01:39.46 | SynrG | That can't happen |
| 01:40.07 | SynrG | They can't both be installed at once |
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| 01:42.28 | Ring0` | so there'd be a warning during apt-get update? |
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| 01:43.22 | SynrG | No. The latest would be installed, provided pin priorities allow it |
| 01:43.43 | SynrG | Oh, i think i misunderstood |
| 01:44.03 | Ring0` | As an example is. There is different version in stable and different in testing repo |
| 01:44.23 | Ring0` | I want to add both sources to sources.list but I want to select which package I want to install within aptitude |
| 01:44.32 | SynrG | And you're mixing? Don't. That's not supported. |
| 01:44.47 | Ring0` | ok so what's the proper way to do it? |
| 01:44.54 | SynrG | That's what backports are for |
| 01:45.09 | SynrG | Which package? |
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| 01:46.17 | Ring0` | Well, actually the one I needed now doesn't have higher version in testing, I just asked because it's not first time I have such "problem" |
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| 01:46.56 | Ring0` | I see now, SynrG, backports.. |
| 01:47.07 | Ring0` | well I guess in this case installing from sources is the only solution |
| 01:47.22 | SynrG | !ssb |
| 01:47.22 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 01:47.44 | SynrG | Or this. But which package? |
| 01:47.50 | Ring0` | mono-complete |
| 01:47.56 | Ring0` | i wanted to have 3.x on squeeze |
| 01:48.42 | SynrG | Probably not trivial to backport |
| 01:48.52 | Ring0` | might not be there since mono is very big and squeeze is prehistorical |
| 01:48.54 | Ring0` | true |
| 01:49.04 | SynrG | Run it on a later release |
| 01:49.15 | Ring0` | I'll try to install from sources and cross fingers |
| 01:49.31 | Ring0` | really, if it was up to me, it would be upgraded long time ago |
| 01:49.34 | SynrG | Good luck |
| 01:49.37 | Ring0` | thanks |
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| 01:53.36 | SynrG | Ring0`: apt-cache policy shows the current installed and available to install versions |
| 01:53.58 | SynrG | But that won't help here |
| 01:54.03 | SynrG | Just fyi |
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| 02:09.01 | pial | what is a good hardware monitor tool in debian? a gui one. |
| 02:09.46 | eemcs | why cant I change the ownership of a root folder in "/mnt"? if I "sudo chown foo:foo bar/" I get "chown: changing ownership of 'bar': Operation not permitted" |
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| 02:10.20 | dvs | pial: I like gkrellm |
| 02:10.41 | markybob | eemcs, does the fs support it? is it ntfs or vfat? |
| 02:11.33 | pial | dvs: i'll give it a try. |
| 02:12.04 | pial | does anyone know anything about this one? http://openhardwaremonitor.org/screenshots/attachment/screenshot2/ |
| 02:12.26 | eemcs | markybob: thanks, your reply reminded me to unmount before trying to change ownership. its working now. |
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| 02:19.30 | stadjak | Is there any particular about the Debian /etc/sudoers file? I've added: <username> ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL But I still get a passwd prompt. |
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| 02:21.45 | stadjak | nvm, figured it out. Default command at the end of the file over-road. |
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| 02:43.14 | esaym153 | do security updates only come from security.debian.org and not any other mirror? |
| 02:43.24 | dvs | correct |
| 02:43.24 | esaym153 | because it is always slow :\ |
| 02:43.26 | markybob | esaym153, correct |
| 02:43.42 | dvs | liar! ;-) |
| 02:43.58 | esaym153 | dvs: weird, why? Why are there mirrors for all other repos other than security? |
| 02:44.10 | somiaj | security.debian.org is not a single server. |
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| 02:44.15 | dvs | esaym153: Ummmmm... security? |
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| 02:45.38 | simonlnu | esaym153: there's a round robin of different servers |
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| 02:46.21 | somiaj | esaym153: also rember stable is frozen, so it should be possible to host a stable mirror that only updates during point releases. Also it takes time for mirrors to sync up when the main repos is changed (you see this happen in testing/unstable since stable only updates durin gpoint releases) |
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| 02:46.48 | somiaj | esaym153: so it makes sense to have a single point to push out security fixes that is not dependend on a paticular mirrors update schedule. |
| 02:47.44 | somiaj | and that is part of point release do, push the security fixes into the main repo so you get them from the mirrors and not from security. |
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| 03:10.19 | hanasaki | is there a way to set a diff backround and a diff desktop folder for each virt screen in gnome? |
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| 03:17.46 | Abunone | hi all1 |
| 03:17.57 | Abunone | is anybody online? |
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| 03:18.29 | hanasaki | Abunone: just ask |
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| 03:27.11 | paradizelost | Hey guys I'm trying to find a picture, the smiling man smoking a pipe that is in some screensavers |
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| 03:27.22 | paradizelost | Anyone know what it's called? |
| 03:27.43 | paradizelost | Google is not cooperating |
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| 03:42.09 | NoirLess | someone know, when debian 9 will be? |
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| 03:53.45 | lotsoftuna | Okay uhm |
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| 03:53.53 | lotsoftuna | I did not know Debian is command line only :/ |
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| 03:54.09 | lotsoftuna | How would I go about connecting my device to a wireless network? |
| 03:54.17 | lotsoftuna | moreso, can I install a GUI of sorts? |
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| 04:05.20 | zykotick9 | paradizelost: <ot> do you mean this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs |
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| 04:06.04 | paradizelost | Yes! Thank you |
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| 04:07.32 | lotsoftuna | I'm really confused why I can't redirect stdout |
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| 04:24.04 | jhutchins | lotsoftuna: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 04:25.40 | jhutchins | lotsoftuna: Seriously? Debian supports a dozen or so graphical desktops, and installs gnome by default. You have problems. |
| 04:26.22 | lotsoftuna | I'm running bananian |
| 04:26.29 | lotsoftuna | I've no idea what's installed by default |
| 04:26.39 | jhutchins | lotsoftuna: I suspect that's not debian. |
| 04:26.50 | lotsoftuna | http://www.freelists.org/post/raspberry-vi/Bananian-and-starting-Gnome,4 |
| 04:26.57 | jhutchins | Yeah. |
| 04:26.58 | lotsoftuna | https://www.bananian.org/ |
| 04:27.05 | jhutchins | !raspberry |
| 04:27.05 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:27.16 | lotsoftuna | Running Debian 7 version |
| 04:27.31 | jhutchins | No, I don't think so. |
| 04:27.48 | jhutchins | !based on debian |
| 04:27.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 04:27.55 | lotsoftuna | okay |
| 04:27.58 | iflema | lotsoftuna: its designed for headless application |
| 04:28.01 | lotsoftuna | AFAIK, reading up on it, there's no gui |
| 04:28.03 | lotsoftuna | yeah ofc |
| 04:28.15 | lotsoftuna | I just think a GUI would help me out a bit more in the situation I'm in, is all |
| 04:28.20 | jhutchins | Sorry, but true. |
| 04:28.28 | jhutchins | No, CLI is the ultimate tool. |
| 04:28.33 | lotsoftuna | b-but |
| 04:28.35 | lotsoftuna | commands :/ |
| 04:28.41 | jhutchins | Yeap |
| 04:28.46 | jhutchins | READ book. |
| 04:28.57 | lotsoftuna | if there's no wlan section in /etc/network/interfaces, should I Just add the data wherever? |
| 04:29.03 | jhutchins | <muppets reference> |
| 04:29.41 | iflema | the bulk of the bpi is in the mainline kernel |
| 04:30.02 | lotsoftuna | I'm basically looking to just use this as a home seedbox |
| 04:30.04 | lotsoftuna | for torrenting |
| 04:30.37 | jhutchins | Yesbut. Not Debian, |
| 04:30.53 | jhutchins | We can't help you. |
| 04:31.13 | jhutchins | Exactly what is wrong is one of the places differences are. |
| 04:31.38 | lotsoftuna | sorry |
| 04:31.41 | lotsoftuna | i understand, thank you |
| 04:31.46 | lotsoftuna | should I Just head over to #linux |
| 04:31.54 | lotsoftuna | ALso, if it's just CLI, why am I not just SSHing... |
| 04:32.09 | lotsoftuna | I was afraid to connect the device to the internet, for fear of some update happening automatically |
| 04:36.37 | cheako | I'm wondering if all the world in on holiday or something? |
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| 04:46.20 | lotsoftuna | well I give up |
| 04:46.29 | lotsoftuna | I'm gonna just SSH into the box, this is ridiculous |
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| 05:58.49 | ITER | how ot create .list file ? |
| 05:59.06 | ITER | how to create .list file in debian 8 |
| 05:59.26 | ITER | plz tell the konsole command |
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| 05:59.40 | hiya | ITER, what do you need it for? |
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| 06:00.16 | ITER | I need it to add some lines to it |
| 06:01.13 | ITER | see this....http://deb.i2p2.no/ |
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| 06:02.08 | hiya | ITER, sources.list? |
| 06:02.19 | ITER | yep |
| 06:02.21 | hiya | ITER, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:03.26 | ITER | I have navigated to the sources.list.d folder.....now what |
| 06:03.38 | ITER | I am a windows user.... |
| 06:03.48 | ITER | I am new to debian |
| 06:05.12 | ITER | hiya: r u there ? |
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| 06:27.48 | latemus | hey debian, y u no use .xinitrc? how m i supposed to change my winiow manager" |
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| 06:30.15 | latemus | dbian, pls |
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| 07:14.50 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 07:18.02 | stangeland | hi, i am in ~ and i do du -sh * and i get a report saying that a directory called software contains 3.8G. So i enter that directory, and it only have a files...totalling up tp 400M. How can du be off with a factor of 10? |
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| 07:18.39 | nkuttler | stangeland: probably some .hidden file/dir you missed |
| 07:19.27 | stangeland | nkuttler, but how can hidden dirs be missed if i do ls -l. That should reveal everything? |
| 07:19.28 | peterrooney | stangeland: du -sh ./* ./.* |
| 07:19.47 | peterrooney | stangeland: no, to see everything, you need -a |
| 07:20.25 | stangeland | peterrooney, ok...well even with the a switch its still the same |
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| 07:22.48 | stangeland | strange |
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| 07:24.16 | stangeland | this is the output of du -sh ./* ./.* in the software dir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13389238/ |
| 07:25.29 | ryouma | directories can grow without shrinking. but i doubt that is the reason. |
| 07:25.54 | peterrooney | and you didn't see /libs before pasting? |
| 07:27.52 | stangeland | peterrooney, i didn't understand what you mean? is there a /libs dir? |
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| 07:34.23 | stangeland | ah sry :) i undeerstand.....thanks |
| 07:34.40 | narendranath_dut | Hi stangeland !!!! |
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| 07:34.46 | narendranath_dut | can you help me ? |
| 07:35.04 | stangeland | narendranath_dut, i dont know. what with? |
| 07:35.32 | narendranath_dut | how to add lines to a source list in debian 8 |
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| 07:37.51 | mdim | hi folks |
| 07:38.17 | shawn | With futuristic text editors, narendranath_dut |
| 07:38.23 | mdim | I'd like to use squid-deb-proxy on a machine running Debian stable and to serve as a proxy for both Debian stable and Debian unstable |
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| 07:39.00 | mdim | default settings of the tool don't seem to work as I get error 404 like this: W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 07:42.53 | narendranath_dut | see this :Add lines like the following to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/i2p.list. |
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| 07:43.33 | narendranath_dut | see this : https://geti2p.net/en/download/debian |
| 07:43.49 | narendranath_dut | stangeland: plz see this |
| 07:44.28 | narendranath_dut | stangeland: what command should I type in konsole |
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| 08:47.37 | narendranath_dut | Hi ...is there anybody to help me ? |
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| 08:47.48 | Iota | Heya narendranath_dut! |
| 08:47.49 | Iota | What |
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| 08:48.03 | Iota | What seems to be the officer, problem? |
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| 08:50.10 | narendranath_dut | I need to perform the actions described in he website :https://geti2p.net/en/download/debian |
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| 08:51.25 | narendranath_dut | lota" scroll down to the "instruction for debian" part |
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| 08:54.31 | Iota | I see, narendranath_dut. |
| 08:54.50 | narendranath_dut | lota: plz instruct me |
| 08:55.36 | narendranath_dut | lota: where r u from ? |
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| 08:57.02 | Iota | narendranath_dut: Having used i2p before, I just want to say that if these 4 steps are hard to follow, you probably won't be able to get much out of i2p. |
| 08:57.12 | Chocolate_Chip | Why is icedove being installed when I uninstall iceweasel |
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| 09:07.51 | narendranath_dut | lota: To inform you Sir, I have run I2P on Ubuntu and have also installed the Tahoe-LAFS system on it with help from IRC chat |
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| 09:10.10 | narendranath_dut | I have been using I2P on windows for 2 years now.....have tried Robert, I2Phex, Nachtbliz, i-mule and also the I2Psnark |
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| 09:23.07 | Chocolate_Chip | how do I set update-alternatives to recognize icecat as the x-www-browser? |
| 09:23.22 | Chocolate_Chip | It is saved in /opt/icecat |
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| 09:33.33 | hypermagnus | hi. i'm installing debian and it needed some realtek network driver. i installed the deb with that driver, now i need to get the networking running. what do i do? |
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| 09:37.57 | AvatarA | recently I've installed Debian and it also needed realtek firmware |
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| 09:38.21 | Gerowen | AvatarA: Probably for a wireless card or something. |
| 09:38.21 | AvatarA | but it was still able to connect to the network after I went to the next step |
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| 09:38.37 | AvatarA | I was on wired connection |
| 09:38.46 | Gerowen | AvatarA: Do you have a Realtek wireless card? |
| 09:39.05 | AvatarA | nope |
| 09:40.43 | Gerowen | AvatarA: Oh well, as long as it's working I wouldn't fool with it. If you want to make sure, you can enable the non-free/contrib repositories and install firmware-linux and firmware-realtek , and that should pull in all of the non-free firmware that the installer asks for files from. |
| 09:40.49 | AvatarA | it wanted that firmware for a Gigabit Ethernet card but it still worked without it, I presume the firmware offers some extended capabilities or something that the free driver doesn't offer, heck knows |
| 09:41.09 | Gerowen | AvatarA: Yeah if it's working fine I wouldn't worry too much unless you notice performance or reliability problems. |
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| 09:42.12 | AvatarA | still waiting for that day when the installer won't want any non-free blobs :p |
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| 09:42.54 | Gerowen | AvatarA: At least it doesn't do it by default and only asks if it thinks it needs it, :-) |
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| 09:43.22 | hypermagnus | i wish my c coding was good enough to write drivers. |
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| 09:43.40 | AvatarA | I hate to have the "unofficial non-free" release on my USB stick but that's how cruel life is :D |
| 09:43.42 | hypermagnus | i'd love to conntribute... |
| 09:44.00 | SleepySkies | Hello, I needed some help in regards to an issue installing a package. |
| 09:44.12 | Gerowen | AvatarA: You got lucky to have a card that works with the free driver, I had already nuked this laptop and had to go manually download and extract the correct files from the non-free firmware packages just so I could use the net installer, :P |
| 09:44.26 | Gerowen | Good thing I had a 2nd computer to download them with. |
| 09:44.32 | SleepySkies | Anyone able to help me out? :) |
| 09:44.36 | Gerowen | SleepySkies: What are you trying to install? |
| 09:44.48 | SleepySkies | php5-sqlite |
| 09:45.06 | SleepySkies | It returns a 404 Not Found error when trying to get the rest of the package. |
| 09:45.07 | somiaj | AvatarA: You can be very specific about which wifi card you use, but at some level you will always have non-free blobs to deal with. The question is, is this non-free blob flashed onto the hardware or a seperate file (I prefer seperate files because Id ont' like flashing hardware with bug fixes) |
| 09:45.17 | AvatarA | ya, hardware manufacturers are evil, I don't even have a video driver available for my laptop anymore |
| 09:46.28 | somiaj | so even hardware that doesn't use a 'nonfree blob' has that firmware on the device. So you really aren't avoiding nonfree blobs, you just now have to flash your hardware if the firmware needs updated |
| 09:47.13 | AvatarA | well in the case of my video card, the firmware is still available, the non-free one |
| 09:47.23 | AvatarA | but there's no more non-free driver for it |
| 09:47.53 | AvatarA | because it is too old and unsupported |
| 09:47.58 | SleepySkies | Gerowen: Any idea? |
| 09:48.17 | Gerowen | SleepySkies: Are you trying to install it via synaptic/apt or downloading it manually from the website? |
| 09:48.42 | hypermagnus | bash: auto: command not found. :( |
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| 09:49.10 | somiaj | AvatarA: yea the non-free blobs are kinda a strange thing. At some level if the manafture gives us every spec to work with the firmware it is the same as them releasing hwo to work with their hardware. On the other end it would be nice to be able to build the firmware ourselves so if there is a bug in it, it can be fixed. |
| 09:49.12 | SleepySkies | Gerowen: Trying to do it via command "apt-get php5-sqlite" |
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| 09:49.41 | AvatarA | there was a project trying to build open source video cards but it failed, but maybe... some day :) |
| 09:49.46 | Gerowen | SleepySkies: apt-get install php5-sqlite <--- Make sure it includes the word "install". |
| 09:50.35 | SleepySkies | Gerowen: I am using the install part, sorry, forgot to mention that. |
| 09:50.46 | hypermagnus | can someone give me some good search words for starting the networkinng after installing the driver package? |
| 09:50.52 | Gerowen | If that doesn't work, you could try downloading it from the Debian package page: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/php5-sqlite |
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| 09:51.13 | Gerowen | Should auto-resolve the dependencies from your package manager, perhaps your internet, or the server your package manager is looking for, is having issues. |
| 09:51.16 | AvatarA | sounds like the server is temporarily down SleepySkies (the one with the debian packages) |
| 09:51.24 | Gerowen | SleepySkies: Did you try doing an apt-get update before installing it? |
| 09:51.30 | AvatarA | at least, the one you are using in your sources.list |
| 09:51.41 | Gerowen | agrees with AvatarA |
| 09:51.56 | somiaj | SleepySkies, Gerowen: that package is from security. Do you have security.debian.org in your sources.list? Do you have a jessie mirror in your sources.list? |
| 09:52.54 | somiaj | SleepySkies: If you aren't able to apt-get install that package, put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 09:53.00 | hypermagnus | can someone give me some good search words for starting the networkinng after installing the driver package? |
| 09:53.19 | somiaj | hypermagnus: what do you mean by that? you mean the firmware? |
| 09:53.25 | Gerowen | somiaj: I'm not needing it, it shows up in Synaptic for me, perhaps you will know better what's going on with SleepySkies. |
| 09:53.32 | SleepySkies | Gerowen: Tried using update, no luck. Sorry for the noob question, how do I go about accessing the source list? |
| 09:53.36 | SynrG | Chocolate_Chip: you learn how to package, package icecat, include the appropriate update-alternatives commands in icecat.prerm and icecat.postinst, and offer that package through an apt repo so your users can receive security updates from you. |
| 09:53.38 | somiaj | Gerowen: yea that comment was more for SleepySkies (: |
| 09:53.56 | somiaj | hypermagnus: what do you mean by that? You mean you installed the non-free firmware but now need to get online? |
| 09:54.20 | hypermagnus | somiaj: i had to install a deb with the network driver no idea what to do next |
| 09:54.36 | somiaj | hypermagnus: what .deb did you install? Again most likely you just installed the firmware (not the driver) |
| 09:54.45 | hypermagnus | oh |
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| 09:56.09 | hypermagnus | somiaj: didn't realize they were separate. i'll read up on that, thanks. |
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| 09:57.25 | somiaj | hypermagnus: the driver comes with the linux kernel, but needs firmware to run. |
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| 09:57.53 | somiaj | hypermagnus: most likley once the firmware is isntalled you need to do 1) easy -- reboot your machine. 2) modprobe -r foo, then modprobe foo, where foo is the module for the card |
| 09:58.07 | somiaj | hypermagnus: but unless you tell us what card you have and what 'driver' you installed we can't be of much mroe help |
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| 09:59.03 | Gerowen | somiaj: I sure hope they pay you good for your help in the IRC, you're active in here just about every time I stop by. |
| 09:59.33 | somiaj | Gerowen: I prefer to get paid in slient thanks. (: |
| 09:59.37 | somiaj | silent |
| 09:59.37 | SleepySkies | I pulled up my sources list. I run Debian 7.5, can I specify a different source list to fix this issue. |
| 09:59.55 | somiaj | SleepySkies: oh you do not want to install a jessie package on wheezy |
| 10:00.04 | somiaj | you should also make sure you have updated your system to 7.9 (the current wheezy) |
| 10:00.29 | SleepySkies | Didn't think so, and okay. For now, is there a way I can get around the package download issue? |
| 10:00.34 | somiaj | though the package php5-sqlite is part of debian wheezy (also on security), it is just the 5.4.45 version |
| 10:00.49 | somiaj | SleepySkies: you can put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net like I asked. |
| 10:00.57 | somiaj | SleepySkies: let us see exactly what your system is configured for. |
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| 10:02.47 | hypermagnus | https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation < would this work with a fat formmatted usb stick? |
| 10:02.56 | penna_ | where to get unstable sources.list? |
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| 10:03.09 | SleepySkies | somiaj: Sorry, here is a screenshot of the apt-cache command: http://imgur.com/Ixl7qe0 |
| 10:03.12 | somiaj | penna_: standard advise, if you have to ask you probably shouldn't be running instable. |
| 10:03.23 | somiaj | hypermagnus: it should. Note what installer image do you have? |
| 10:03.53 | hypermagnus | not sure. |
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| 10:04.18 | somiaj | hypermagnus: netinstall, non-free netinstall, cd1 image, dvd image, debian live image? Any sound familar? |
| 10:04.45 | somiaj | SleepySkies: okay now the output of 'apt-cache policy php5-sqlite' |
| 10:04.49 | penna_ | somiaj, nah. I have security.deb etc. inside and some more repos and replacing all testing with unstable leads to broken updates |
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| 10:05.00 | somiaj | SleepySkies: also the fact that you have a ubuntu ppa configured in your soruces.list makes me worry you have broken your system. |
| 10:05.38 | somiaj | penna_: that is because unstable does not have secuirty sources, (testing doenst' eitehr, but they are there as a place keeper -- though they do rarely get used) |
| 10:06.05 | somiaj | penna_: so you won't get seucirty and you get bugs in unstable. Again the advise is until you are more familar with debian to really consider stable + backports. |
| 10:06.19 | hypermagnus | somiaj: minimal cd. jessie. |
| 10:06.20 | somiaj | penna_: but yes replacing testing with unstable will work, provided you remove the unstable/updates |
| 10:06.37 | somiaj | hypermagnus: I would just download the non-free firmware netinstall image as opposed to messing with firmware at this point |
| 10:06.41 | somiaj | !tell hypermagnus about firmware images |
| 10:07.22 | somiaj | hypermagnus: but yes I belive a fat32 partition would be just fine to have the firmware on using the regular installer. It is just much less hassel to use the firmware installer if you are going to need the non-free firmawre for your device anyways. |
| 10:07.53 | hypermagnus | somiaj: that sounds a lot less painful. thanks for helping. :) |
| 10:08.07 | SleepySkies | Somiaj: I didn't configure that portion of the server. Uncertain why it was listed there. |
| 10:08.11 | hypermagnus | somiaj++ |
| 10:08.55 | somiaj | SleepySkies: yea it makes we worried your system has issues that could break things. But back to your issue, output of 'apt-cache policy php5-sqlite' (lets see what is going on here -- this package should be installable according to your soruces.list -- just the wheezy version) |
| 10:10.10 | SleepySkies | somiaj: http://imgur.com/jepeWGX Print out of that command |
| 10:10.54 | somiaj | SleepySkies: there is the package, do you get any errors when you run 'apt-get install php5-sqlite' or are you awnting a newer version than 5.4.36? |
| 10:11.04 | somiaj | SleepySkies: I missed your original proble, was it you coudlnt' install that package? |
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| 10:11.35 | SleepySkies | somiaj: Couldn't install. It comes back with a 404 not found error upon that. |
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| 10:12.43 | tct | Is this the appropriate channel for discussions about Debian 8 armhf too? |
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| 10:13.05 | somiaj | SleepySkies: hmm, that is strange. There is a version missmatch between what I'm seeing there and on p.d.o. |
| 10:13.21 | somiaj | SleepySkies: run apt-get update, then give the output of apt-cache policy php5-sqlite again. |
| 10:13.46 | somiaj | tct: you can ask questions, though there is an arm channel on irc.oftc.net if you don't get the response you need here. |
| 10:13.55 | tct | Okay, thanks |
| 10:14.00 | tct | It's more Debian related |
| 10:14.51 | tct | I am trying to usb_modswitch my Atheros 0cf3:9271 wifi dongle |
| 10:15.02 | tct | usb_modeswitch * |
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| 10:16.11 | SleepySkies | somiaj: Thanks man! Running the update command this time around got it to work and allowed me to run the usual apt-get php5 command. |
| 10:16.45 | somiaj | SleepySkies: so your server is outdated, you need to keep up on security updates. You should probabaly run apt-get upgrade (sure there are security and bug fixes you are missing) |
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| 10:17.13 | somiaj | SleepySkies: the ubuntu ppa in your sources.list scares me, it could have done some unawnted things to your system. I would personally remove those sources and hope they didnt' replace any of your core libaries with ubuntu versions. |
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| 10:19.18 | SleepySkies | somiaj: Sure thing. Thank you very much for your help. |
| 10:19.48 | Sir_Designer | did you edit with visudo command? |
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| 10:21.55 | somiaj | SleepySkies: you should also remove that ppa before upgrading (would not like it if packages got upgraded to the versions provided from that ubuntu ppa during this process) |
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| 10:27.30 | tct | I can't usb_modeswitch to wifi my dongle. Info here: http://paste.debian.net/334594/ |
| 10:29.40 | tct | Any ideas? |
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| 10:30.14 | hassoon | tct: you have a 3g dongle ? |
| 10:30.29 | tct | wifi |
| 10:30.34 | tct | AR9271 |
| 10:30.54 | hassoon | didn't network manager he |
| 10:30.57 | hassoon | *help ? |
| 10:30.59 | tct | http://paste.debian.net/334595/ |
| 10:31.24 | tct | No, it didn't, because the system sees it as USB storage |
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| 10:32.28 | hassoon | tct: did you read that ? https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
| 10:34.26 | tct | Doesn't help, the system sees it as USB storage device and the firmware is not requested |
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| 10:34.45 | hassoon | tct: the page is talking about your device |
| 10:34.49 | tct | That's why I am trying to do usb_modeswitch |
| 10:35.09 | tct | Yes, I know, but it doesn't help |
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| 10:35.24 | hassoon | did you at least try the steps founded there ? |
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| 10:35.34 | tct | Yes |
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| 10:48.51 | DoctorD90 | hi guys :D still looking for my laptop :P i have seen nvidia geforce untill yesterday. Now i have discovered nvidia Quadro. Id need gpu mostly for computing than for gaming. (im not a gamer). I need to use cuda (matlab, for example). Under latest debian which is the most supported for this kind of stuff? geforce or quadro? :) many thx! |
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| 10:51.40 | Polesch | I am entirely new to debian |
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| 10:52.07 | Polesch | And I'm trying to install nvidia drivers (.run) file. It says I don't have permission, and sudo is not working, so what is it? |
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| 10:53.20 | ewew | Hello. Does rsyslog start longer than usual ? Because on my system this takes longer. |
| 10:54.59 | hexnewbie | Polesch: The first thing would be - why are you trying to break your system with the NVIDIA proprietary drivers? And if you do, why aren't you using the version Debian ships in non-free? |
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| 10:55.39 | Polesch | I have no idea, I've just installed Debian and the graphics/resolution is horrible |
| 10:55.45 | Polesch | What are my alternatives? |
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| 10:56.17 | hexnewbie | Polesch: What's your GPU? This page lists your alternatives: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 10:56.24 | at0m | dpkg: tell Polesch about nvidia |
| 10:56.24 | Polesch | GTX 970 |
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| 10:56.58 | hexnewbie | Polesch: Are you on Debian Jessie (stable)? |
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| 10:57.20 | Polesch | I hope so |
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| 11:00.30 | Polesch | I am on Jessie 8 |
| 11:01.15 | Polesch | So where do I find drivers |
| 11:01.45 | Polesch | Is the official nvidia driver no good enough? |
| 11:02.14 | hexnewbie | Polesch: OK, you do need to install the proprietary driver from the .run file you downloaded (at least the page I linked to says so - I am not sure the nouveau driver shipping with Jessie is fixable). Bu you need to run that as root. |
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| 11:02.37 | hexnewbie | Polesch: It's non-free, and it breaks your system often. :) |
| 11:03.23 | Polesch | Then we come to the problem I am having, i do "run /" in terminal and it says I don't have permission |
| 11:03.35 | hexnewbie | Polesch: But if nouveau is not working for you, you don't have much of a choice (the Nouveau page says it has some support for GTX 970, but I can't tell if it's enough or if that support exists in Jessie) |
| 11:04.22 | Polesch | How do I start the terminal as root? |
| 11:04.36 | hexnewbie | Polesch: Is the file executable? (having execute permissions set with chmod) Did you become root in the terminal (with su)? |
| 11:05.11 | Polesch | How do I use su? |
| 11:05.21 | hexnewbie | Polesch: You type "su" |
| 11:05.38 | hexnewbie | Polesch: It should ask you for root password then |
| 11:06.46 | hexnewbie | Polesch: Also: chmod +x "whatever the name of the file is.run" |
| 11:07.15 | at0m | hexnewbie: or just sh file.run |
| 11:07.50 | at0m | but then again, that driver isn't supported on debian. #nvidia does that. |
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| 11:08.12 | at0m | dpkg: nvidia |
| 11:08.12 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:08.32 | Polesch | "You appear to be running an X server.." |
| 11:08.33 | at0m | dkms is advised for proprietary driver. |
| 11:08.40 | hexnewbie | Polesch: Note that before doing that with any file (especially running it as root), you need to make sure the file is not malware or something (e.g. by downloading it over HTTPS from NVIDIA and/or verifying its md5sum if NVIDIA provide one) |
| 11:09.18 | hexnewbie | at0m: The Debian Wiki says Polesch's card is not supported by the DKMS one in Jessia (not sure if wiki is up-to-date on that though) |
| 11:09.29 | at0m | oh |
| 11:10.38 | Polesch | Would I be better off going with another distro? |
| 11:10.45 | hexnewbie | Polesch: You may need to login as root at a text console. |
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| 11:13.21 | Polesch | The website tells me to run "aptitude install linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 build-essential", but when I do the terminal just asks me to insert the Debian CD/DVD... |
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| 11:14.40 | SynrG | !jessie sources.list |
| 11:14.40 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 11:14.44 | at0m | Polesch: #mute cdrom in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:14.59 | at0m | then apt update |
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| 11:15.33 | Polesch | mute: command not found |
| 11:16.25 | at0m | Polesch: remove the line or put a # in front to mute it. |
| 11:17.59 | Polesch | Can't edit it.. Do I have to open the list with the terminal as su? |
| 11:18.17 | markybob | Polesch, sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:19.27 | Yehai | debian runs on ARM cpus? |
| 11:20.03 | Polesch | How do I save the file after I've made the edit? |
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| 11:20.46 | at0m | control-x |
| 11:20.59 | at0m | Yehai: yes! |
| 11:21.07 | Yehai | ok |
| 11:21.25 | at0m | Yehai: there's a couple different arm chips, see packages.debian.org |
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| 11:29.47 | dahui | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.50 | dahui | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.52 | dahui | sorry guys |
| 11:29.56 | Polesch | I ran "init 3" under su and the screen went black.. Had to shut it off manually |
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| 11:34.38 | Polesch | Nvidia driver installation fails because I am running an X server, how do I fix t his |
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| 11:35.30 | at0m | Polesch: #nvidia |
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| 11:46.27 | julius | hi |
| 11:46.33 | Polesch | Linux remains the world's most un-userfriendly experience. |
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| 11:46.44 | julius | Polesch, at times...yes ;) |
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| 11:48.12 | Polesch | I will give it a second chance by trying ubuntu instead |
| 11:48.28 | r00t-err0r | Polesch, try Debian |
| 11:48.36 | Polesch | I am on debian now |
| 11:48.38 | julius | just installed a new system with debootstrap, since this system already has a working grup...can i just run update-grub from outside of the chroot and be done with grub config? |
| 11:48.38 | r00t-err0r | ubuntu is bad debian :D |
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| 11:48.49 | julius | Polesch, first linux? |
| 11:49.00 | Polesch | First in a long time |
| 11:49.08 | julius | then dont start with debian |
| 11:49.17 | r00t-err0r | i have problems with ubuntu on most laptops, freezes on new kernels |
| 11:49.18 | julius | try ubuntu or suse |
| 11:49.29 | r00t-err0r | and too many errors submited |
| 11:49.35 | r00t-err0r | to i choose debian stable :D |
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| 11:49.48 | Polesch | I need unix based systems for some applications I need for my education, but I'm having a very hard time getting it up and running adequately |
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| 11:50.04 | julius | Polesch, tip: you can use virtualbox |
| 11:50.04 | Polesch | Getting graphics drivers on debian already looks like a 5 hour project |
| 11:50.06 | r00t-err0r | Polesch, try Debian MATE |
| 11:50.15 | julius | Polesch, that way you have a linux on your windows as application |
| 11:50.36 | r00t-err0r | you can play almost all windows apps on linux |
| 11:50.37 | Polesch | But the performance is too limited, it doesn't work |
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| 11:50.44 | r00t-err0r | using winetricks or playonlinux |
| 11:50.44 | julius | yes, performance suffers |
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| 11:50.57 | julius | Polesch, what do you need to run? |
| 11:51.24 | Polesch | Computational chemistry packages like Gaussian, molecular modelling and dynamics simulations like Ambertools |
| 11:51.26 | r00t-err0r | i run all adobe pack on debian stable and better performase i get on linux then on win :D |
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| 11:51.43 | Polesch | I need all the performance I can get |
| 11:51.50 | julius | Polesch, ok they sound computational heavy |
| 11:51.54 | kzimmermann | Polesch, interesting situation. Usually it's the opposite: people forcing you to install windows to run things like MSOffice |
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| 11:52.12 | Polesch | Now it's the opposite :P |
| 11:52.28 | julius | Polesch, as i said, start with ubuntu or suse...not that debian is complicated |
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| 11:52.37 | r00t-err0r | kzimmermann, no need msoffice instead you dont use macros cause preinstalled libreoffice is enough :D |
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| 11:53.05 | Polesch | Even extracting the ubuntu iso onto a USB drive fails in debian :/ |
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| 11:53.32 | Polesch | What's a good way to make a bootable drive? |
| 11:53.36 | r00t-err0r | arch info? |
| 11:53.41 | hexnewbie | r00t-err0r: LibreOffice still doesn't display half of the content of Word files (half of the bibliography is gone, and so are half of the illustrations) |
| 11:53.58 | kzimmermann | r00t-err0r: agreed :) I have never used or needed any MS program for the past 5 years or so |
| 11:54.07 | Vanfanel | Hi. Any idea on how can I disable dbus on launch? Tried "systemctl disable dbus.service" but it still starts on launch. |
| 11:54.17 | r00t-err0r | sry dont use word, just excel or libre :) |
| 11:54.20 | Polesch | I will download the OpenSUSE DVD and try that instead |
| 11:54.35 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: Why would you do such a thing? You want your system to not work? :) |
| 11:54.58 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: my system works great, it's an x-less system. DBUS has no place here :) |
| 11:55.07 | hexnewbie | r00t-err0r: âLibreâ doesn't even support a proper bibliography |
| 11:55.21 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: in fact, I just need dbus as a dependency, I don't need it started on boot. |
| 11:55.21 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: Apparently something depends on it, and it will stop working if you removed its DBUS |
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| 11:55.52 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: it's a runtime program, the system boots fine without dbus. |
| 11:56.04 | hexnewbie | DBUS has little to do with X |
| 11:56.23 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: it's mostly used by programs that run in an X session |
| 11:56.24 | Polesch | How do I write an ISO onto a USB drive in debian? |
| 11:56.45 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: please, I KNOW what I am doing. I just need dbus to start as needed, not on boot. |
| 11:56.51 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: logins, hotplug hardware, power, MDNS and systemd may depend on DBUS (on the top of my head) |
| 11:56.55 | Penix | Polesch: dd |
| 11:57.08 | r00t-err0r | Polesch, sudo dd if=wherisyour.iso of=/dev/sd(letter and number) |
| 11:57.28 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: I manage my own tty logins etc |
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| 11:58.12 | r00t-err0r | Vanfanel, then dont remove from rcX :) |
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| 11:59.13 | Vanfanel | r00t-err0r: what do you mean? |
| 11:59.26 | Vanfanel | all I need is to stop dbus loading on boot... |
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| 12:00.09 | hexnewbie | I don't think systemd would start DBUS if something didn't depend on it. I suspect systemd itself. |
| 12:01.13 | r00t-err0r | Vanfanel, dont stop loading on boot |
| 12:02.04 | hexnewbie | It's cowardly refusing to disable it, most likely trying to protect you from silently shooting yourself in the foot. :) |
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| 12:03.05 | r00t-err0r | if you dont run dbus there is no daemon or single instance apps |
| 12:03.30 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie, r00t-err0r: I have purged dbus before. The system WORKS as I expect it to work for the things it does. |
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| 12:03.55 | Vanfanel | All I need is DBUS not to start at boot. |
| 12:03.59 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: Was that before or after you purged systemd, and why would you even do that? |
| 12:04.19 | r00t-err0r | right hexnewbie |
| 12:04.42 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: Also my very unfortunate experience tells me there's a difference between working and appearing to work :( |
| 12:04.48 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: after I purged dbus. I can purge dbus again and it boots and works... There's a SINGLE program that needs dbus, a program I use once in a while, that's all. |
| 12:05.35 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: I have been without dbus on this particular system for months, man. It DOES work for what it has to do. |
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| 12:05.55 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: That's not true. You said a few minutes ago that you use systemd. And systemd depends on DBUS. |
| 12:06.52 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: it depens to some degree. I can use systemd without dbus for what I need. |
| 12:06.57 | Vanfanel | So it's true. |
| 12:08.10 | hexnewbie | What exactly are you gaining by not having DBUS running though? |
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| 12:09.27 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: one megabyte of ram, and the fact that I can disable something I want to disable, yet use it when I need it. We're using GNU/Linux, not some propietary pos, for the love of god. |
| 12:10.17 | hexnewbie | Well, it's still Debian, not Slackware :) |
| 12:10.20 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: I don't even need a reason to disable it, maybe I just want to do so: it's about experimenting and having control over what runs on your system and how/when it's launched. |
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| 12:11.52 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: You could have more luck with that if you switched back to sysvinit (though that would probably still load parts of systemd, possibly DBUS) |
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| 12:12.48 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: Also consider switching from 64 bit to 32 bit Debian if you haven't already |
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| 12:14.04 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: Helps a lot with memory usage. |
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| 12:14.59 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: I'm on 32bit arm, no 64bits for me, but thanks |
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| 12:16.51 | Polesch | I have another problem, I'm not able to transfer any files in Debian. It stops up at "12 seconds remaining" and doesn't proceed |
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| 12:18.42 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: AFAICT, some of the systemd opponents were claiming it was using more memory to begin with. Haven't measured it, since just about everything else on the system is eating more memory than it, but switching off of it may kill two birds with one stone for you :) |
| 12:20.11 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: If you do need systemd, your best bet is to workaround (e.g. manually turn it off after boot). |
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| 12:20.39 | hexnewbie | Vanfanel: Or perhaps, if your arm system has swap space, let it swap out - if it's not in use and swapped out, it's as good as stopped |
| 12:22.30 | jackbrown | anybody from Romania ? |
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| 12:23.39 | hypermagnus | jackbrown: no, but i know a lot of romanians. |
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| 12:24.06 | jackbrown | hypermagnus: thanks do you speak romanian ? |
| 12:24.22 | hypermagnus | only a few words. |
| 12:24.38 | hypermagnus | i should learn more. there are some good looking romanian women. |
| 12:25.22 | jackbrown | hypermagnus: yes some of them are gorgeous, I'm lookinf for something that happened in 70s but I should find someone that speak romanian to use the search engine to find what I'm looking for |
| 12:25.30 | hypermagnus | ah. |
| 12:25.43 | hypermagnus | shame i'm not at home, my romanian housemates could help. |
| 12:25.46 | hypermagnus | soz. |
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| 12:26.02 | mekeor | #offtopic :P |
| 12:26.04 | Rephlexie | jackbrown, what are you looking for? |
| 12:26.34 | jackbrown | Rephlexie: there was a milk factory that exploder in the 70s in Romania but using google in english I can't find anything, probably using google in romanian could help |
| 12:26.49 | jackbrown | Rephlexie: *exploded |
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| 12:28.28 | Rephlexie | jackbrown, its late here but ill text my Romanian friend about it. |
| 12:28.43 | jackbrown | Rephlexie: thanks a lot! |
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| 12:29.33 | mitchreward | hi, am trying to figure how to read my mail log since 20minutes in this **** jessie systemd rrr |
| 12:29.37 | mitchreward | any advice ? |
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| 12:45.17 | Vanfanel | hexnewbie: Got it to work, I masked both dbus and logind-systemd.service, and everything works as I expect. |
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| 12:55.08 | k_j | hi |
| 12:55.30 | k_j | why is the pkg providing libz.so called "libz1g" with "1g"? |
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| 12:56.25 | k_j | sorry "zlib1g" with "1g".. what's the point of 1g |
| 12:57.34 | Ripmind | i do not have sudo installed and when i su root i just get "Cannot execute zsh" |
| 12:57.38 | Ripmind | any idea hwo to get back to root? |
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| 12:58.29 | jelly | k_j: historical reasons; when a library changes ABI, for coinstallability reasons the new package needs a different name than the old one. |
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| 13:00.03 | jelly | k_j: g probably denotes gnu libc 2 (libc6) compatibility; 1 is probably an API-related name addition |
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| 13:01.24 | jelly | k_j: also: that package does not bring libz.so. libz.so symlink is in zlib1g-dev |
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| 13:02.00 | somiaj | Ripmind: how are you suing to root? 'su -' or just 'su' |
| 13:02.07 | k_j | are you sure? i checked the files installed and it's in zlib1g... |
| 13:02.12 | Ripmind | tried both somiaj |
| 13:02.15 | Ripmind | also tried su root |
| 13:02.30 | jelly | Ripmind: man su will tell you about -s option, pick an existing shell (/bin/bash maybe) to open |
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| 13:02.50 | somiaj | Ripmind: man su, and then as jelly said specify which shell to use |
| 13:03.03 | Ripmind | ? |
| 13:03.06 | Ripmind | hmm |
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| 13:03.22 | jelly | it's probably not a best idea to change root's login shell |
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| 13:03.32 | Ripmind | still cannot execute zsh |
| 13:03.50 | jelly | Ripmind: which command did you type? |
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| 13:04.14 | Ripmind | i tried many: http://p.styler2go.de/?14 |
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| 13:05.10 | jelly | Ripmind: which debian release is this? |
| 13:05.16 | Ripmind | latest |
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| 13:05.25 | Ripmind | uhrm, jessie |
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| 13:06.14 | somiaj | Ripmind: did you change your roots shell to zsh? There is a note in teh man page about if the shell filed in /etc/passwd is not listed in /etc/shells, then -s option is ignored. |
| 13:06.33 | jelly | Ripmind: "su -s /bin/bash" works for me with root's login shell set to /bin/zsh, and /bin/zsh deleted |
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| 13:06.35 | Ripmind | yes, i changed it to zsh |
| 13:07.00 | somiaj | Ripmind: cat /etc/shells (is /bin/zsh in that list)? |
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| 13:07.20 | Ripmind | yes, twice |
| 13:07.26 | Polesch | How do I get flash player in debian? |
| 13:07.35 | Ripmind | : /bin and /usr/bin |
| 13:07.35 | somiaj | Polesch: what browser do you want it for? |
| 13:07.39 | Polesch | Any |
| 13:07.45 | Polesch | Chromium or iceweasel |
| 13:07.53 | somiaj | Polesch: well it is different depending on the browser. |
| 13:07.54 | jelly | Ripmind: but "su -s /bin/bash root" works as well for me. So something else is amiss on your system, not just /bin/zsh missing |
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| 13:08.03 | Ripmind | hmm |
| 13:08.07 | Ripmind | what could it be? |
| 13:08.32 | somiaj | Polesch:for chromium install the package "pepperflashplugin-nonfree" from contrib. |
| 13:08.46 | jelly | Ripmind: show the outputs of: getent passwd root; ls -ld /bin/zsh; cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:09.08 | jelly | Ripmind: and lsb_release -sc |
| 13:09.10 | somiaj | Polesch: for iceweasel you can use the old adobe plugin (flashplugin-nonfree -- but this kinda out dated), or you can use the wrapper for pepperflash, "browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash" |
| 13:09.45 | Polesch | somiaj: running aptitude install pepperflashplugin-nonfree browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash says it can't find anything |
| 13:10.07 | Polesch | "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched " |
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| 13:10.40 | Ripmind | http://p.styler2go.de/?16 JelleB |
| 13:10.42 | Ripmind | oups |
| 13:10.44 | Ripmind | jelly |
| 13:11.20 | somiaj | Polesch: as I said, install the package sfrom 'contrib' |
| 13:11.24 | somiaj | ~tell Polesch about contrib |
| 13:11.24 | jelly | Ripmind: interesting. file $(readlink -f /bin/zsh) |
| 13:11.33 | jelly | Ripmind: and uname -a |
| 13:11.43 | Polesch | somiaj: how? |
| 13:11.52 | somiaj | read the factoid I sent |
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| 13:12.05 | somiaj | oh sorry, that was an incomplete factoid |
| 13:12.21 | somiaj | Polesch: edit your sources.list change the 'main' at the end of each line to 'main contrib' |
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| 13:12.54 | somiaj | Ripmind, jelly: seems to me that the shell is 'zsh' vs '/bin/zsh' is the problem. 'zsh' is not listed in /etc/shells and the PATH may not be able to find it being called zsh |
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| 13:13.17 | Ripmind | jelly: http://p.styler2go.de/?17 |
| 13:13.17 | somiaj | Ripmind: cd /bin, then see if zsh is in the cwd it works. |
| 13:13.22 | jelly | <somiaj> Ripmind: cat /etc/shells (is /bin/zsh in that list)? <Ripmind> yes, twice |
| 13:13.35 | Polesch | Still can't find any |
| 13:13.38 | somiaj | jelly: /bin/zsh is different than 'zsh' in my opinion |
| 13:13.41 | Polesch | Fuckit |
| 13:13.48 | jelly | oh, how did that happen |
| 13:14.04 | Ripmind | which zsh says /usr/bin/zsh |
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| 13:14.30 | somiaj | Polesch: after you enable the contrib repo by adding 'contrib' to the end of your sources, you need to run apt-get update |
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| 13:14.56 | jelly | Ripmind: eh, boot a livecd, mount your root fs and fix that login shell in /etc/passwd to be the absolute path /bin/zsh |
| 13:14.59 | somiaj | jelly, Ripmind: I could be mistaken but that is what looks off to me, the fact you don't have a full path and I'm unsure what PATH su would be using. |
| 13:15.33 | somiaj | maybe being in /bin or /usr/bin as the cwd would make it work, maybe not. I'd do the livecd suggestion from jelly |
| 13:15.57 | Ripmind | i am kind of confused |
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| 13:16.09 | jelly | you managed to chsh to an invalid value |
| 13:16.30 | Ripmind | i am awesome :D |
| 13:16.34 | pial | where do i get these 2 library? libwxgtk2.8-dev, libwxbase2.8-dev |
| 13:16.34 | pial | it's not in repo |
| 13:16.34 | somiaj | Ripmind: 'zsh' and '/bin/zsh' are two different strings, and 'zsh' is not part of /etc/shells so the -s option is being iggnored. You need the full path to the shell. |
| 13:16.50 | Ripmind | hmm |
| 13:16.53 | somiaj | Ripmind: again try this before you do the live cd option. 'cd /bin', then run su root in that directory. |
| 13:17.13 | somiaj | Ripmind: if that doesn't work you are going to need to get a recovery console/livecd system to fix the issue. |
| 13:17.22 | Ripmind | i already booted into libecd :/ |
| 13:17.32 | somiaj | Ripmind: then just fix /etc/passwd and you should be fine. |
| 13:17.37 | jelly | somiaj: if that works, it's a security bug in su! |
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| 13:19.26 | somiaj | jelly: ahh. Just a random guess as to where 'su' is looking for the command 'zsh'. I don't know the workings of su well enough it seems. (: |
| 13:19.35 | Ripmind | so i do what? |
| 13:19.40 | Ripmind | edit etc/passswd? |
| 13:19.52 | somiaj | Ripmind: edit /etc/passwd and change 'zsh' to '/bin/zsh' -- give the full path to the shell |
| 13:20.10 | jelly | Ripmind: if you've chrooted into your system, use "vigr" |
| 13:20.12 | jelly | sorry |
| 13:20.15 | jelly | "vipw" |
| 13:20.45 | jelly | if you're using an editor directly, just be very very careful |
| 13:20.52 | Ripmind | i think i found it |
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| 13:21.06 | Ripmind | the line for root is "root:x:0:0:root:/root:zsh |
| 13:21.15 | pial | ,v libwxgtk2.8-dev |
| 13:21.15 | judd | Package: libwxgtk2.8-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.10.1-3+b1; wheezy: 2.8.12.1-12; sid: 2.8.12.1+dfsg2-2; jessie-multimedia: 2.8.12.1+dfsg2-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1:2.8.12.1-dmo1 |
| 13:22.06 | jelly | Ripmind: it's a change the last :zsh to :/bin/zsh, leave everything else exactly as it is |
| 13:22.13 | Ripmind | i am in aghain :) |
| 13:22.15 | Ripmind | it worked |
| 13:22.32 | Ripmind | thanks :) |
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| 13:22.58 | Ripmind | now i wonder why my linux is not working |
| 13:23.24 | Ripmind | no sorry, my sshd server i mean |
| 13:24.00 | jelly | if you insist on having zsh as root's shell, at least consider zsh-static |
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| 13:25.17 | pial | how do i install library from oldstable? |
| 13:25.44 | pial | is it ok to do so? |
| 13:26.50 | Ripmind | whenever i try connecting to my linux ssh, i get connection refused :( |
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| 13:29.45 | SynrG | Ripmind: try again with -v to see where it's failing |
| 13:30.04 | Ripmind | SynrG: I am using putty :o but i'll try |
| 13:30.23 | SynrG | Ripmind: make its connection verbose, i guess. consult putty's doc ... |
| 13:30.38 | Ripmind | http://p.styler2go.de/?18 |
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| 13:35.35 | SynrG | Ripmind: so it looks like the port is blocked |
| 13:35.47 | Ripmind | hum, it worked yesterday |
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| 13:36.19 | SynrG | or the service is down |
| 13:36.23 | Ripmind | maybe that |
| 13:36.45 | SynrG | could be due to a half-finished upgrade? |
| 13:36.56 | Ripmind | service status-all says ssh [-] |
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| 13:37.13 | SynrG | can you ssh from the host to itself via localhost? |
| 13:37.24 | Ripmind | no |
| 13:37.26 | Dev0n | hey, trying to setup debian and use entire disk with encrypted LVM. Having looked around, am I right in saying that Dropbear is the way to go if you want to run a headless server and be able to ssh in after reboot to provide the password? |
| 13:37.29 | SynrG | oh, - |
| 13:37.32 | SynrG | yeah, down :) |
| 13:38.06 | SynrG | (i misread that as + |
| 13:38.08 | SynrG | ) |
| 13:38.14 | Ripmind | hum |
| 13:38.19 | Ripmind | but i executed servcie ssh start |
| 13:38.29 | SynrG | so check logs for reason for failure ... |
| 13:38.33 | Ripmind | yes |
| 13:38.39 | SynrG | again, could this be a half-finished system upgrade? |
| 13:38.45 | Ripmind | no |
| 13:38.46 | jelly | or "systemctl status ssh" |
| 13:39.01 | wallbroken | is there an already packed enlightenment for debian? |
| 13:39.23 | Ripmind | mmh |
| 13:39.25 | Ripmind | it says error |
| 13:39.29 | Ripmind | but not which error exactly |
| 13:39.38 | SynrG | ,v e17 |
| 13:39.39 | judd | Package: e17 on amd64 -- sid: 0.17.6-1; stretch: 0.17.6-1; jessie: 0.17.6-1 |
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| 13:39.55 | SynrG | wallbroken: ^^ yes |
| 13:40.18 | wallbroken | amd64 ? |
| 13:40.24 | wallbroken | i have an x86 |
| 13:40.31 | SynrG | ,v e17 --arch i386 |
| 13:40.33 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.17.6-1; stretch: 0.17.6-1; jessie: 0.17.6-1 |
| 13:40.59 | SynrG | wallbroken: just mentally substitute i386 for amd64 in judd output. 99% of the time it's the same (with the exception of kernel flavours) |
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| 13:41.26 | SynrG | we have to have judd default to something, and amd64 is the most popular |
| 13:42.01 | wallbroken | then, how to start it? |
| 13:42.08 | jelly | and most x86 systems _are_ amd64 now |
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| 13:43.46 | wallbroken | mine is a core 2 duo |
| 13:44.09 | jelly | that one is amd64 compatible, too |
| 13:44.20 | wallbroken | so, i'm looking for a very lightweight Desktop environment |
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| 13:44.36 | wallbroken | i tried: kde, gnome, cinnamon, xfce, openbox |
| 13:44.43 | wallbroken | openbox looks like the fastest |
| 13:44.49 | wallbroken | xfce is also good one |
| 13:44.53 | SirLagz | wallbroken: i3 |
| 13:45.09 | jelly | wallbroken: how are you starting X now? e17 should be listed in the Session menu choices on the login screen |
| 13:45.25 | wallbroken | i use startx command |
| 13:45.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
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| 13:45.52 | jelly | !wm |
| 13:45.53 | dpkg | A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 13:46.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a samba server down and i keep getting these errors on my desktop |
| 13:46.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | Password entry required for 'Password for root@//cifs.thrace.lan/MISC:' (PID 6020). |
| 13:46.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | Please enter password with the systemd-tty-ask-password-agent tool! |
| 13:46.07 | jelly | wallbroken: in that case... To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager» |
| 13:46.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | how the heck do i turn this off in systemd? |
| 13:46.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | make it stop!*covers eyes* |
| 13:46.49 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: welcome to your new beta-quality init system, beta-testing user. |
| 13:47.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | wha? |
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| 13:47.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i am going to go yell at the systemd ppl |
| 13:47.46 | jelly | (it's a bug, please report it. There are other bugs, too) |
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| 13:48.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | a bug? |
| 13:49.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | you mean after all these years i actually found one? |
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| 13:49.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | its like getting a toy in the bottom of a cracker jack box.. |
| 13:49.42 | wallbroken | jelly, there is not a simple command that starts directly enlightnent? |
| 13:49.58 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: if you're on OFTC as well, might want to ask debian's systemd people in #debian-systemd channel |
| 13:50.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 13:50.56 | jelly | wallbroken: there might be, but it's been so long since I've used startx I don't want to give incorrect or outdated advice. |
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| 13:53.20 | wallbroken | jelly, does not work |
| 13:53.31 | jelly | wallbroken: how does it fail? |
| 13:53.39 | wallbroken | is always starting cinnamon (the old one) |
| 13:54.50 | jelly | do you have an ~/.xinitrc file in place, wallbroken? |
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| 13:55.27 | wallbroken | no |
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| 13:57.51 | wallbroken | i tried with Enlightenment_start |
| 13:58.08 | wallbroken | but i get: enlightenment cannot initialize encore_x |
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| 14:02.34 | lovezrs | debian does not support fcitx-fbterm? |
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| 14:04.28 | jelly | lovezrs: what does "support" mean" |
| 14:04.31 | jelly | ,i fcitx-frontend-fbterm |
| 14:04.32 | judd | Package fcitx-frontend-fbterm (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Flexible Input Method Framework - FbTerm frontend. Version: 0.2.0-2; Size: 13.3k; Installed: 28k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/fcitx |
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| 14:06.28 | lovezrs | jelly: My English is poor...I meat I can't install fcitx-fbterm through apt-get install fcitx-fbterm... |
| 14:06.43 | lovezrs | mean ..not meat |
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| 14:06.54 | Ripmind | why no meat? :( |
| 14:06.56 | wallbroken | how to build an .xinitrc ? |
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| 14:07.08 | Ripmind | does compiling a linux kernel take long? |
| 14:08.34 | lovezrs | Ripmind: No meat for you |
| 14:08.45 | Ripmind | meh :( |
| 14:09.04 | lovezrs | Ripmind: Why looks so sad? |
| 14:09.14 | jelly | lovezrs: there is no package with that name. |
| 14:09.55 | lovezrs | jelly: yes... so what package should I search |
| 14:10.03 | jelly | lovezrs: but there is one with the name like above, I have no idea what it does but I found it in "apt-cache search fcitx fbterm" output |
| 14:10.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | jelly you work with lxc? |
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| 14:11.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to know how to add cpus to a container to use, it seemed like puppet was smashin only one cpu, not sure if it is not threaded or what |
| 14:11.43 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: nope |
| 14:12.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | you a libvirt guy? |
| 14:12.34 | lovezrs | irssi's binding keys is the same as tmux...OMG |
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| 14:20.46 | DoctorD90 | hi guys :D still looking for my laptop :P i have seen nvidia geforce untill yesterday. Now i have discovered nvidia Quadro. Id need gpu mostly for computing than for gaming. (im not a gamer). I need to use cuda (matlab, for example). Under latest debian which is the most supported for this kind of stuff? geforce or quadro? :) many thx! |
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| 14:28.02 | ido370 | DoctorD90, its one and the same driver :) |
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| 14:28.15 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 14:28.40 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: at this point I'm a vmware guy if anything |
| 14:29.11 | Azrael_- | i'm a little bit confused. just installed a vm with debootstrap and installed the kernel (apt-get install linux-kernel-amd64). now i logged into the vm and e.g. apt-get isn't available. what did i forget? |
| 14:29.11 | DoctorD90 | ido370, so it is the same?? |
| 14:29.22 | DoctorD90 | under debian using a quadro or a geforce is the same? |
| 14:30.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 14:30.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | vmware has taken over |
| 14:30.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | its sad, |
| 14:30.29 | jelly | DoctorD90: it doesn't matter what brand your nvidia card is, if you're asking that |
| 14:30.35 | Azrael_- | Eryn_1983_FL: ? |
| 14:30.42 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: taken over? It's been there first. |
| 14:30.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 14:30.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | true |
| 14:30.58 | Azrael_- | taken over what? |
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| 14:31.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | the market |
| 14:31.39 | jelly | DoctorD90: it will still use either free nouveau or non-free nvidia drivers. |
| 14:31.41 | DoctorD90 | hi jelly..yes, exactly....so i can purchase a geforce and get same performance of a geforce, being same driver |
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| 14:32.06 | DoctorD90 | jelly, for cuda, computing stuff, from what i have understand is better propertary drivers |
| 14:32.07 | jelly | that probably depends on the cards |
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| 14:33.18 | DoctorD90 | jelly, belong to you it is better a geforce or a quadro? :P in a laptop? not a desktop |
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| 14:36.06 | jelly | DoctorD90: I would not use a laptop for cuda. |
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| 14:36.44 | DoctorD90 | jelly, i need a laptop (my first one xD) so i'd like use matlab on it :P and so cuda too...for this reason :P |
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| 14:39.22 | jelly | DoctorD90: sorry, I can't give an opinion on that. If I wanted to run cuda or opencl or whatnot, I would not use a laptop. |
| 14:40.10 | Azrael_- | any idea for me? |
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| 14:41.28 | DoctorD90 | thx jelly :) |
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| 14:41.40 | DoctorD90 | btw, the driver are the same...this is important :) |
| 14:42.12 | Azrael_- | nm |
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| 14:59.01 | sindo | I had this error mount: unknown filesystem type âLVM2_memberâ |
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| 15:02.30 | sindo | so I did "sudo modprobe dm-mod", "sudo vgchange -ay "myname" and sudo mount /dev/myname/log /mnt/ |
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| 15:03.23 | sindo | now it takes very long to shutdown debian: there is this mesage: "a job is running for lvm on /dev/dm-0" |
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| 15:05.45 | DJ_Bitcon | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:05.46 | DJ_Bitcon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:06.00 | DJ_Bitcon | hey how to install bsdutils without libsystemd0 ? |
| 15:06.11 | mdim | greetings |
| 15:06.13 | mdim | I want to use squid-deb-proxy in the following way |
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| 15:06.31 | mdim | I'd like to use squid-deb-proxy on a machine running Debian stable and |
| 15:06.31 | mdim | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.44 | mdim | default settings of the tool don't seem to work as I get error 404 like |
| 15:06.44 | mdim | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.44 | mdim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:11.36 | joalland_ | Hello. |
| 15:12.27 | joalland_ | How could I write a Windows iso file on an USB key, please ? |
| 15:13.03 | sindo | Is there a way to delete the stop job is running message? |
| 15:13.08 | joalland_ | And make it bootable. I tried dd and cp but it failed. |
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| 15:16.31 | HD|Laptop | joalland_, usb sticks do not directly support isos |
| 15:16.35 | HD|Laptop | they're not CD roms |
| 15:16.48 | vamps | jonathaN: try ms-sys or unetbootin |
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| 15:17.14 | dashs | iceweasel can't find my profile since last update (Deb 8) |
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| 15:23.54 | jelly | dashs: is the profile directory present in your $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/ ? |
| 15:25.12 | joalland_ | vamps : thanks |
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| 15:26.11 | dashs | jelly: it was then I deleted everything to encourage it to re-specify |
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| 15:27.15 | dashs | How can one get a clean install? |
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| 15:29.34 | hanasaki | any word on when websvn will be fixed in jessie? |
| 15:29.42 | hanasaki | package does not install |
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| 15:37.11 | bittin_ | http://i.imgur.com/KiL8VpZ.png WIP |
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| 15:40.20 | markybob | bittin_ offtopic much? |
| 15:40.49 | bittin_ | markybob: yeah |
| 15:40.57 | markybob | bittin_, so don't |
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| 15:41.27 | pial | jessie is the current stable release. so, what is the difference between jessie repo and stable repo? |
| 15:42.04 | markybob | pial, nothing |
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| 15:43.35 | pial | markybob, there must be something at least to name them differently. somewhere i read to put stable and not jessie. it said something about better for upgrades to new release. |
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| 15:44.40 | markybob | pial, it's not different. the name "stable" changes, where release names like "jessie" don't. so someday "stable" will not point to jessie, but stretch, etc |
| 15:45.04 | pial | oh |
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| 15:46.57 | pial | markybob, if i use stable and it switches target, how bumpy is the transition? |
| 15:47.34 | markybob | pial, pretty bumpy. it's why we suggest you use release names |
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| 15:48.41 | abrotman | violent is probably a better description |
| 15:48.50 | pial | markybob, well good know. tnx |
| 15:48.51 | markybob | heh |
| 15:48.52 | abrotman | If you're not expecting an upgrade, bad things can happen |
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| 15:49.12 | abrotman | you could end up in a half-upgraded state, angry packages, failed dependencies .. use release names |
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| 15:49.33 | pial | so i will |
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| 15:52.14 | pial | when a new release comes, a full upgrade or fresh install, which is better? |
| 15:52.20 | hypermagnus | dammit. ive got the nonfree installer so it recognizes my network firmware, but dhcp keeps failing even though my phone is working fine on the same router. wtf. |
| 15:53.27 | abrotman | pial: I've done several full upgrades in a row. They generally work pretty well |
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| 15:54.28 | hypermagnus | how can debian not handle this? |
| 15:54.37 | hypermagnus | crap |
| 15:55.08 | pial | abortman, ok. |
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| 15:55.45 | makoto | hh, just got linux back on my work laptop after not using it for way too long, stuck debian 8 on a ssd, noticed during install that it could see my SD card, so i put swap on there. anyone done swap on SDs in this manner before???? |
| 15:56.04 | makoto | whoa way too many question marks sorry, need to turn down the key repeat rate |
| 15:57.17 | abrotman | like, a camera SD card? |
| 15:57.45 | abrotman | makoto: ? |
| 15:58.03 | makoto | abrotman: yeah, one of those |
| 15:58.24 | makoto | i've got a 4gb class 4 card in at the moment, but i'm planning to go out and pick up a cheap 16gb class 10 |
| 15:58.32 | makoto | i figured, they're cheap enough to be burnt out |
| 15:58.45 | abrotman | makoto: a) do you actually expect you'll be using swap? b) do you care that you'll destroy it? |
| 15:58.48 | makoto | as opposed to trashing an ssd which is hassle, my last one died because of swap |
| 15:58.58 | jelly | makoto: buy more RAM instead. |
| 15:59.00 | makoto | abrotman: a) sometimes, b) no because thye're cheap |
| 15:59.12 | makoto | more ram means longer suspend and resume time |
| 15:59.21 | abrotman | how often do you suspend? |
| 15:59.27 | makoto | several times per day |
| 15:59.37 | abrotman | then sure, have at it .. |
| 15:59.54 | abrotman | just beware that you'll need to have spare cards on hand |
| 15:59.59 | makoto | nods |
| 15:59.59 | jelly | apart from debian's stupid vm.swappiness default value, your system should not be paging out with normal workflow |
| 16:00.21 | abrotman | jelly: Do you even use Iceweasel? :) |
| 16:00.25 | makoto | you tell that to firefox and those horrid javascripts |
| 16:00.33 | makoto | oh wait, it's iceweasel here isn't it |
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| 16:00.47 | jelly | abrotman: I think I use every linux browser... :-( |
| 16:00.53 | abrotman | at the same time?! |
| 16:01.10 | abrotman | jelly: Most browsers have tabs now .. you can open more than one :) |
| 16:01.14 | jelly | well, firefox and iceweasel alternated because same profile |
| 16:01.22 | jelly | abrotman: 268 tabs open |
| 16:01.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:01.47 | abrotman | you need an accident |
| 16:01.49 | jelly | that's just firefox. Or iceweasel, depends on the week |
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| 16:02.50 | pial | two repositories, one comes before the other in sources.list. if a package is found in both of them which one will apt draw it from without pinning? or conflict? |
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| 16:03.36 | abrotman | pial: the higher version |
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| 16:04.49 | pial | abortman, i am using 2 repos. one is fast and the other is reliable. it is possible that they hold the same version. in that case? |
| 16:05.01 | abrotman | it is possible |
| 16:05.05 | hexnewbie | It's a pity Debian only ships a Chrome clone like Iceweasel/Firefox, especially since the last GUI makeover that made it unusable over cross-city X11. And even on stable/oldstable you get drastic UI changes. Eh, if Iceape was still packaged... |
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| 16:05.20 | abrotman | pial: I think it might be random, I don't recall |
| 16:05.31 | abrotman | hexnewbie: Chromium is in Debian |
| 16:05.35 | abrotman | as are many other browsers |
| 16:05.58 | jelly | but only Chromium and Iceweasel get any sort of security fixes |
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| 16:07.58 | pial | are fixes for firefox and iceweasel different? |
| 16:08.17 | hexnewbie | Also, only Iceweasel/Firefox (and manually installed Seamonkey, I guess) would give you NoScript. And perhaps Chromium? There was an extension for it, but I mostly use Chromium to visit pages with full JavaScript. |
| 16:09.56 | abrotman | pial: not really |
| 16:10.03 | jelly | hexnewbie: nope, there's no NoScript for Chrome or Chromium. There are limited extensions |
| 16:10.32 | hexnewbie | Yeah, so I can recall. So only Gecko-family then. |
| 16:12.23 | markybob | hexnewbie, chrome://settings/content "Do not allow any site to run JavaScript" is pretty easy. and there's even "Manage exceptions" |
| 16:13.20 | hexnewbie | markybob: Well, if that counts, we should also add Konqueror and several other browsers to the list. Manually managing exceptions makes you give up after you realise you spend half of your day doing it. |
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| 16:14.16 | markybob | okay. how is noscript different? |
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| 16:16.18 | hexnewbie | markybob: Page doesn't show up, hover, click twice, page shows up. Versus copying the URL, making it into a pattern, opening the settings in a new tab, clicking twice, adding an exception, fixing it after you've entered it wrong, etc. |
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| 16:18.55 | hexnewbie | markybob: Also if âexceptionâ in Chrome remotely resembles what âexceptionâ in NoScript means, you'd need to spend a few minutes viewing the page source. |
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| 16:21.10 | rapi | someone deal with install-menu? |
| 16:21.20 | abrotman | you perhaps? |
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| 16:21.32 | rapi | abrotman, :) I try |
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| 16:22.22 | rapi | i try to add my personal entries... without success... |
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| 16:33.13 | jiggawattz | Yo, I'm trying to start znc as a service using systemctl --user start znc.service |
| 16:33.26 | jiggawattz | I made all the config files, etc |
| 16:33.46 | jiggawattz | Bit I'm getting this error: |
| 16:33.48 | jiggawattz | Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused |
| 16:34.14 | jiggawattz | dbus.socket is listening.... according to sytemctl status dbus.socket |
| 16:34.46 | jiggawattz | I made a unit file in ~/.config/systemd/user/ |
| 16:35.15 | jiggawattz | http://pastebin.com/MQLKuBkL is the znc.service file |
| 16:35.18 | jiggawattz | Any ideas? |
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| 16:41.39 | julius | mount says: /dev/mapper/debian--unstable-root on .... but theres /dev/mapper/debian-unstable with one "-" which one do i enter in fstab? |
| 16:42.19 | julius | oh wait, theres also two in it...gm |
| 16:42.24 | julius | hm lets reboot and see |
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| 16:44.37 | azonenberg | Hi guys |
| 16:44.46 | azonenberg | Having some strange issues with Kerberos logging |
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| 16:44.56 | azonenberg | Just set up a new Kerberos install on a brand new debian 8 install |
| 16:45.06 | azonenberg | tried to direct the log files to /var/log/kerberos/ |
| 16:45.29 | azonenberg | and I see a syslog message "couldn't open log file /var/log/kerberos/krb5kdc.log: read-only file system" |
| 16:45.46 | azonenberg | this happens when i restart the KDC |
| 16:45.56 | spaceone | Hi, if i want to make a programm be autostarted after a reboot should I just place a script in /etc/init.d with the content 'su -c "myuser" /bin/myapplication' ? |
| 16:46.04 | azonenberg | both with the logfiles at default mode 750, as well as 777 for testing |
| 16:46.05 | spaceone | + evaluating the arguments |
| 16:46.18 | azonenberg | sorry i meant 660 and 777* |
| 16:47.02 | azonenberg | The fs is clearly not actually read only, I just created the files |
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| 16:50.00 | julius | a debootstrap installation is booting and complaining that it cant find /dev/dm-4 yet when i boot another system, mount the first one's partitions and chroot into it. running vgscan creates /dev/debian-unstable/home and so on |
| 16:50.17 | julius | what is missing? or did i just need to run vgscan once? |
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| 17:33.30 | marioxcc | I am looking for a free software hosting site that is more in line with the free software philosophy. Unfortunately, the most popular one is definitely not aligned with it (non-public engine, allows proprietary projects, non-free JavaScript). What do you recommend?. |
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| 17:48.42 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 17:48.56 | Azrael_- | what is the easiest way to run mysql 5.6 on jessie? |
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| 17:49.08 | variuss | aptitude install mysql-server |
| 17:49.14 | marioxcc | Azrael_-: If it is in the repositories, just install it using a package manager. |
| 17:49.14 | Azrael_- | provides me 5.5 |
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| 17:49.27 | marioxcc | Azrael_-: Did you check the backports then?. |
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| 17:50.01 | marioxcc | If not, maybe MySQL has official Debian packages; otherwise, the only feasible option is to compile it for yourself. |
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| 17:51.10 | Azrael_- | rechecking backports, failed adding the official mysql-debian repository |
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| 17:54.38 | pial | this is my apt preferences - http://pastebin.com/R32NdAnn . I want to always download from the most stable. but if not found there, i am willing to go less stable gradually. will this pinning do that? |
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| 17:56.06 | GNUmad | Azrael: http://downloads.mysql.com/archives/mysql-5.6/mysql-5.6.11-debian6.0-x86_64.deb |
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| 17:58.46 | Azrael_- | GNUmad: thanks, would this not provide problems if i updated only the server without using the repository and also update all dependent packages? |
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| 18:00.07 | somiaj | pial: that is asking for distaster. You do not want to mix stable, testing, unstable and experminetal sources. |
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| 18:00.29 | pial | somiaj, i am not |
| 18:00.36 | somiaj | pial: binary packages are not meant to be installed in a debian version they are not designed for (/msg dpkg don't break debian). What you want to do is make backports. |
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| 18:00.57 | pial | unstable and experimental will not be installed that's why i pinned them to negative |
| 18:01.36 | somiaj | pial: don't even have them in your sources. As soon as you request one package from testing/unstable/experimental you have a high chance of also pulling in core libaries which may (and lots of times do) conflict with the stable packages that depend on those libaries. |
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| 18:01.52 | somiaj | we do not support mixing in any way (unless you make your own backports) |
| 18:02.21 | pial | somiaj, so how far do i truncate it? |
| 18:02.35 | GNUmad | Azrael_: maybe this help http://serverfault.com/questions/516190/how-to-install-mysql-5-6-on-debian-7-wheezy |
| 18:02.38 | somiaj | pial: what do you mean? You don't install packages built for testing/unstable/experimentail in stable. |
| 18:03.05 | somiaj | pial: note, people do this. Some people get away with it. Some people come in after doing this and have their packages so broken the only fix is reinstall from scratch. |
| 18:03.19 | somiaj | but just because people do it, it is not suggested (or supported) by #debian. |
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| 18:03.37 | pial | hmm |
| 18:04.22 | somiaj | pial: again binary packages with shared libary dependences are not made to be installed on a debian version (or os) they are not built for. If you need something not in jessie, you need to compile/build your own package. i.e. you need to build the software against the libaries in stable. |
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| 18:04.27 | somiaj | !backports |
| 18:04.27 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:04.45 | Azrael_- | thanks |
| 18:05.03 | somiaj | pial: and for some software someone else has done the work and makes the pakages available in jessie-backports |
| 18:05.05 | pial | how about oldstable? |
| 18:05.40 | DJ_Bitcon | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:05.40 | DJ_Bitcon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.40 | DJ_Bitcon | how to install bsdutils without libsystemd0 ? |
| 18:05.47 | somiaj | same rules, if you want to install newer stuff in wheezy, you need to use wheezy-backports or build the package yourself. |
| 18:05.50 | DJ_Bitcon | what a nonsense |
| 18:06.11 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: can you put teh output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy bsdutils' at paste.debian.net? |
| 18:06.20 | DJ_Bitcon | ok |
| 18:06.51 | pial | somiaj, i am doing this because i lacked some libraries to build an application and they are found in unstable or oldstable. so, i needed to figure out a way. |
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| 18:08.24 | somiaj | pial: That means you need to also backport the libaries you need to build things. And doing this build in a chroot is prefered. |
| 18:08.30 | somiaj | pial: what patcilar application? |
| 18:09.01 | DJ_Bitcon | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/334685/ https://paste.debian.net/334686/ |
| 18:09.54 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: why do you have all those packages pinned? |
| 18:10.19 | julius | system wont start after debootstrap, error and description: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=125865 |
| 18:10.23 | julius | any ideas? |
| 18:10.28 | DJ_Bitcon | i followed this manual to prevent systemd installing: |
| 18:10.28 | DJ_Bitcon | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation |
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| 18:11.23 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: ahh that page has bad advise. |
| 18:11.26 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 18:11.26 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 18:11.35 | pial | somiaj, nothing special - http://sourceforge.net/projects/hakuneko/?source=typ_redirect |
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| 18:11.53 | somiaj | pial: and it is the case is jessie no longer has a libary that use to be in oldstable you need? |
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| 18:11.54 | DJ_Bitcon | i forgot about systemd-shim |
| 18:11.55 | DJ_Bitcon | thanks |
| 18:12.22 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: you shouldn't need to pin those pakages, I would remove the pinning (unless you were doing wheezy->jessie) |
| 18:12.38 | DJ_Bitcon | yes i've upgraded from wheezy |
| 18:12.38 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: once you have systemd-shim and have removed the other systemd packages you should be just fine. |
| 18:13.05 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: ahh the instructions for the upgrade are a bit different, but since you have upgraded you may want to try to fix the issues so you get thigns living nicely without systemd. |
| 18:13.27 | DJ_Bitcon | so installing systemd-shim would fix it ? |
| 18:13.37 | pial | i need these 2 - libwxgtk2.8-dev, libwxbase2.8-dev |
| 18:13.59 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: I'm unsure, I have not attempted this. I just know what the suggested rules are here and the page you linked has bad advise |
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| 18:14.05 | somiaj | ,v libwxgtk2.8-dev |
| 18:14.06 | judd | Package: libwxgtk2.8-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.10.1-3+b1; wheezy: 2.8.12.1-12; sid: 2.8.12.1+dfsg2-2; jessie-multimedia: 2.8.12.1+dfsg2-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1:2.8.12.1-dmo1 |
| 18:14.40 | somiaj | ,v libwxgtk2.8 |
| 18:14.41 | judd | No package named 'libwxgtk2.8' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:16.50 | somiaj | pial: is it this software won't compile against the newer 3.0 wxwidgets? |
| 18:17.15 | somiaj | ,v libwxgtk3.0-dev |
| 18:17.16 | judd | Package: libwxgtk3.0-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.0.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.0.2-1+b1; sid: 3.0.2+dfsg-1.2; stretch: 3.0.2+dfsg-1.2 |
| 18:17.36 | pial | somiaj, let me check |
| 18:18.00 | somiaj | pial: the libary you are requesting is outdated and it was replaced in jessie with the newer upstream version, 3.0. Personally I would suggest trying to get your software to compile against the newer libary vs trying to install an outdated libary. |
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| 18:19.40 | pial | somiaj, it throws error |
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| 18:21.21 | somiaj | pial: Here is the best suggestion 1) Fix the software to compile against a libary that isn't outdated and over 4 years old (or submit a bug to the matainer of said software). 2) Grab the source package from wheezy (or sid) for wxwidgets2.8 and compile the packages for jessie (/msg dpkg ssb). Hopefully the packages just build. |
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| 18:22.12 | somiaj | pial: those are the only two suggestions that will be supported. There is one other, but do this at your own risk. 3) Go double check that every libary you need from wxwidgets2.8 can be installed in jessie (meets the dependencies) and you are not havint to upgrade/downgrade any of the libaries in jessie. |
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| 18:22.59 | somiaj | pial: if this is the case, you could use the binary packages. Don't add anything to your sources.list and just manually download the packages you need from pacakges.debian.org (note this can be very dangerous if the packages themselves cannot be installed using only jessie depends, and I would suggest 2) before doing this) |
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| 18:24.06 | somiaj | pial: note in general I would never suggest 3), but in this case it might be possible to put this outdated/removed libary in your jessie install without causing conflitcts with anything in jessie. |
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| 18:24.32 | somiaj | pial: but I would really try 2) first, and compile the libaries in jessie just to be safe. |
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| 18:25.31 | pial | somiaj, thanks i will try that first. guess i have my work cut out for me. |
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| 18:26.02 | somiaj | pial: just trying to keep you from breaking your debian. |
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| 18:27.01 | somiaj | pial: one last note, the factoid /msg dpkg ssb, is actually quite automatic. If the libaries can be built on jessie, this really isn't much work, just crossing your fingers that it actually builds. |
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| 18:35.02 | sipi | Hello, I am pretty new to linux, I am trying to change hostname directly within the /etc/hostname file using pico editor, with command 'su myaccount pico hostname' however it returns '/usr/bin/apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file'. I have 32bit debian inside VirtualBox. |
| 18:35.08 | sipi | I would be reallyyy thankful for any help :) |
| 18:35.26 | AimHere | Wouldn't it be 'sudo' not 'su' ? |
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| 18:35.40 | saptech | hello all |
| 18:35.45 | sipi | No, su works for authorizing me |
| 18:36.10 | sipi | I do not have 'sudo' installed. |
| 18:36.50 | saptech | what do I need to have Debian show my Android smartphone? |
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| 18:40.35 | btube | hi. could someone help me with this error? " symbol lookup error: /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome: undefined symbol: gtk_icon_theme_lookup_by_gicon" |
| 18:40.50 | btube | I get this running any GTK apps after running 'make uninstall' for pidgin |
| 18:41.04 | marioxcc | btube: Chrome is not part of Debian. It is not supported by Debian. |
| 18:41.15 | btube | okay, same problem with Firefox, then |
| 18:41.27 | btube | "/usr/lib/firefox/libxul.so: undefined symbol: gtk_widget_is_toplevel" |
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| 18:43.45 | somiaj | btube: seems that script to uninstall pidgin removed some libaries you were using and you no longer have the corerct symbols. |
| 18:44.01 | somiaj | btube: I would figure out which libary has the gtk_widget_is_toplevel symbol and reinstall that libary |
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| 18:44.48 | btube | thanks, how should I do that? run 'nm' on the firefox binary? |
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| 18:47.05 | somiaj | btube: I'm unsure the best way to figure out which libary you were using that was nuked when you uninstalled pidgin. |
| 18:47.18 | somiaj | btube: in the future gnu stow may help you deal with /usr/local source instals. |
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| 18:49.18 | somiaj | btube: I would start by reinstalling libgtk-3-0 |
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| 18:49.40 | somiaj | btube: the other option is your LD_LIBARY_PATH was changed. |
| 18:50.17 | btube | sudo apt-get purge libgtk-3-0 offers to remove a few dozen packages which I need as well |
| 18:50.19 | markybob | that's what i've seen while looking at this |
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| 18:50.58 | btube | can I re-install it without removing stuff like gnome-keychain? |
| 18:51.07 | somiaj | btube: you shoudln't purge it, apt-get --reinstall install libgtk-3-0 |
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| 18:51.36 | somiaj | but I'm unsure what exactly the make uinstall script did. It either took out some libaries (though more likely it messed with your linker) |
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| 18:51.46 | somiaj | and I'm not that experienced with either to have a good idea what went wrong. |
| 18:52.00 | btube | thanks, let me try that reinstall command I didn't know about first |
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| 18:52.49 | somiaj | yea that probably isn't the issue, one would hope the uninstall script wasn't nuking things. But messing with the linker is totally possible. |
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| 18:53.29 | btube | yep, no dice with reinstalls. I'm a bit out of my knowledge when it comes to the linker, and no web browser to help :P |
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| 18:54.28 | ewew | When will be avahi obsolete in debian ? |
| 18:54.35 | somiaj | btube: cat /etc/ld.so.conf (does that have one line like include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf) |
| 18:54.51 | btube | yes sir |
| 18:55.11 | btube | no files modified in ld.so.conf.d today, either |
| 18:55.20 | somiaj | btube: okay now check /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*conf (I have two files i386-linux and x86_64-linux (do you have that) |
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| 18:55.35 | btube | yes, two .conf files for each |
| 18:56.39 | btube | a lot of files in /usr/local/lib were modified recently, though, including libgdk ".la" files |
| 18:57.11 | somiaj | btube: do you have a lot of gkt libs in /usr/local? |
| 18:57.47 | btube | just folders in /usr/local, no libs |
| 18:58.02 | somiaj | it could be an issue that libaries are looking in /usr/local/lib and not looking for the libs from dpkg installed in /usr/lib |
| 18:58.02 | FoolishOwl | Hi. I'm trying to set up wine-development, and I got an error message about wine-gecko not being installed. Should I install wine-gecko from the Debian repository, or is there a different process for wine-development? |
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| 18:58.25 | markvandenborre | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542426 |
| 18:58.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/542426 in xtightvncviewer (open): «/usr/bin/xtightvncviewer: the -user option described in the man page is not accepted»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-08-19; last modified: 2009-09-13. |
| 18:58.29 | somiaj | FoolishOwl: what version of debian are you running and where did you get the wine-development? |
| 18:58.46 | markvandenborre | I just bumped into a trivial to fix 6.5 year old bug in Debian |
| 18:58.58 | FoolishOwl | somiaj: Debian testing, and I got wine-development from the Debian repository. |
| 18:59.11 | markvandenborre | what is the easiest way for me as a non-developer to have this documentation updated? |
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| 18:59.25 | somiaj | FoolishOwl: since each newer version of wine requires a newer version of wine-geko and debian really hasn't found the best way to deliver this. |
| 18:59.36 | somiaj | markvandenborre: submit a patch to the bugreport |
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| 19:00.04 | btube | somiaj: there should be gtk* files right in /usr/local? not /usr/local/lib? |
| 19:00.08 | FoolishOwl | Oy. Maybe I should just switch from wine-development to wine, then. |
| 19:00.14 | somiaj | FoolishOwl: Also there is some flag enabled in the wine-development packages that make this a pain. |
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| 19:00.26 | somiaj | btube: no they will be in /usr/local/lib (as opposed to /usr/lib) |
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| 19:01.02 | btube | okay, actually there are libgtk-x11-2.0.la and corresponding .so files there, in /usr/local/lib |
| 19:01.04 | somiaj | FoolishOwl: I'll see if I can find teh bugreport, because the issue is it won't just download the geko packages like a normal wine isntall will. |
| 19:01.10 | btube | can I somehow "reinstall" these libraries? |
| 19:01.36 | somiaj | btube: I think the issue is you have libaries in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib that are conflicting and y our system is having trouble linking the correct libary. |
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| 19:01.58 | somiaj | btube: dpkg will only put stuff in /usr/lib and stuff you compile with make install should only be putting things in /usr/local/lib. |
| 19:02.17 | btube | gotcha, makes sense so far |
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| 19:02.52 | somiaj | btube: and some how with all of your source installs you have confused your linker, so it is most likely just trying to link the wrong libary which doens't have the symobls you need (this is my guess what is going on. I odn't know of a good fix) |
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| 19:03.29 | btube | that sounds like the correct diagnosis. perhaps someone will take pity on a noob like me and offer a solution |
| 19:03.46 | markvandenborre | somiaj: seeing this package looks effectively unmaintained, it seems like I will have to find someone to do a non-maintainer upload |
| 19:03.46 | monsune | what can be wrong? it hangs on 100% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb)] |
| 19:03.50 | somiaj | FoolishOwl: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783428 -- there is the bug. Seems the current suggested fix is to manually install libgeko because somethign with the packages won't install it. Check the post at the very bottom of that link |
| 19:03.51 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/783428 in wine-development (open): «Could not load wine-gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-04-26; last modified: 2015-09-21. |
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| 19:04.25 | somiaj | markvandenborre: in that case you can ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (maybe one of them can sponsor (i.e. upload) the newer package provided it meets debian policy) |
| 19:04.30 | monsune | is there a way to make apt-get stop using ipv6? |
| 19:04.34 | ewew | monsune Do you know how to use wireshark ? |
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| 19:04.52 | somiaj | markvandenborre: if the package is not orphaned (i.e. there is still a matainer) this may take a bit more than that, but I'm unsure on all the policy there. |
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| 19:04.59 | monsune | ewew never tried that in console |
| 19:05.05 | amnix | I want to install debian on my machine. I am using a 64 bit system. What disk image should I install? |
| 19:05.06 | Chocolate_Chip | How can I set my update-alterantives to recognize the x-www-browser as a binary in /opt |
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| 19:05.20 | monsune | amnix amd64 one |
| 19:05.39 | amnix | monsune: Yeah but there are so many on the site... |
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| 19:06.03 | amnix | monsune: I can't seem to find where to find it on debian's website |
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| 19:06.11 | somiaj | amnix: depends on your ussage. The netinstall image is the simplest (and will download most things from the net). Though if you have a network card that requires non-free firmware, you will want the unoffical firmware installer. |
| 19:06.19 | Dagger | monsune: what problem are you seeing? |
| 19:06.42 | somiaj | Chocolate_Chip: man update-alternatives (you will have to first add an alternative before changing it) |
| 19:06.42 | Dagger | monsune: if it's "apt-get is showing me v6 addresses in errors", you probably don't want to do anything with v6 -- you want to fix your v6 |
| 19:06.44 | Dagger | er |
| 19:06.44 | Ephexeve | hey guys, I have a server running Debian, and I want to create a Vm for each user I create. Is there a tool for this? |
| 19:06.46 | Dagger | fix your v4* |
| 19:06.57 | Ephexeve | So when the user SSH to the server, it redirects to it's VM |
| 19:07.03 | amnix | somiaj: Can I have the link to the page? |
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| 19:07.28 | monsune | Dagger i definetly would love to get rid of ipv6 on the box at all and make apt-get stop using it |
| 19:07.31 | somiaj | amnix: do you want the firmware installer or try the offical installer (note this depends totally on if the hardware you have neesd non-free firmawre)? |
| 19:07.55 | amnix | somiaj: I am not sure honestly |
| 19:07.56 | amdp_ | hi there's no need of systemctl if systemd works fine, right? |
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| 19:08.02 | monsune | Dagger i just don't understand ipv6 and i don't need it actually even |
| 19:08.18 | Dagger | monsune: but what problem are you seeing? |
| 19:08.21 | amnix | somiaj: I want something that comes with everything |
| 19:08.23 | somiaj | amnix: well do you have an adversion to non-free firmware. I don't like to push non-free stuff if someone wants to not use it. |
| 19:08.32 | Dagger | (you do need v6. the entire damn internet needs v6... and you're part of the internet) |
| 19:08.46 | somiaj | amnix: well debian has 30,000+ packages, you probabaly dont' need everything. The netinstaller is nice because it will only install what you want. |
| 19:08.48 | Chocolate_Chip | So would this work: sudo update-alternatives --install --set x-www-browser /opt/icecat/icecat |
| 19:08.50 | somiaj | !tell amnix about firmware images |
| 19:08.57 | monsune | Dagger when doing apt-get update it stops on: 100% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb)] |
| 19:08.58 | ewew | monsune This depends on your connection. Does yout provider give you ipv6 ? |
| 19:09.11 | somiaj | amnix: there is a lnik in the message the bot sent youf or the non-free firmware installer. This should allow you to install debian and download all the packages you need during the install. |
| 19:09.19 | monsune | ewew no, i have a class of ipv4 and i'm going to just use ipv4 for now |
| 19:09.25 | Dagger | monsune: can you pastebin `wget http://security.debian.org` for me? |
| 19:09.33 | monsune | Dagger ok |
| 19:09.36 | Dagger | monsune: because usually apt-get printing that means your v4 is broken |
| 19:09.50 | Dagger | at least for people who have no global v6 |
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| 19:10.21 | somiaj | Ephexeve: depending on your use case you may want containers over vms for each user. I'd look into lxc (linux containers). Though docker.io is the new fancy container setup. |
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| 19:10.32 | monsune | Dagger you might be right but i tried to grab some stuff usig ipv4 before and it was fine though |
| 19:10.55 | somiaj | Ephexeve: there is also the old method of just using chroots (configuradble in sshd_config), though these are easy to break out of if a user gains root permissions. |
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| 19:11.17 | Ephexeve | somiaj: I thought so. I guess docker is the best way to go |
| 19:11.29 | amnix | somiaj: On the main page of debian's site, there's "Download Debian 8.2" and it is 555 mb. Should I download that> |
| 19:11.33 | monsune | Dagger that's the wget you asked for: http://pastebin.com/N8cdSywx |
| 19:11.34 | amnix | somiaj: ?* |
| 19:11.34 | somiaj | Ephexeve: depends on your use case. |
| 19:11.39 | Ephexeve | so could I set up a docker for each user, and when they ssh user@server, they will login to their VM? |
| 19:11.50 | somiaj | amnix: download the link I had the bot send you in a private message, unless you know forsure you dont' need non-free firwmare. |
| 19:11.53 | Ephexeve | somiaj: I want a fully working linux env for each user |
| 19:12.00 | Ephexeve | they can choose which linux distro they want to use |
| 19:12.32 | somiaj | Ephexeve: I'm not that experience with any of thise to give good advise. I was just suggesting containers may be more what you want than a full vm. |
| 19:12.39 | Chocolate_Chip | sudo update-alternatives x-www-browser GNUIcecat /opt/icecat/icecat didn't work |
| 19:12.48 | somiaj | Ephexeve: either way I think you are going to have to manually build the container/vm and then clone them for each user |
| 19:12.58 | Ephexeve | I see |
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| 19:13.13 | somiaj | Chocolate_Chip: read the manpage, you ahve to first add the the alternative first. |
| 19:13.21 | Chocolate_Chip | uh... |
| 19:13.32 | Chocolate_Chip | sudo update-alternatives GNUIcecat x-www-browser /opt/icecat/icecat didn't work |
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| 19:14.20 | monsune | Dagger from what i see it debian security server tries to redirect me from ipv4 hosts to its ipv6 hosts... is there a reason for that? |
| 19:14.33 | Dagger | monsune: hm... hang on. I don't see v6 addresses on www.debian.org |
| 19:14.51 | monsune | Dagger ok this is really strange, isn't it? |
| 19:15.37 | monsune | Dagger it tries Connecting to www.debian.org (www.debian.org)|2001:610:1908:b000::148:14|:80... failed: Protocol not available. |
| 19:15.57 | monsune | and then it falls back to ipv4 and grabs the index finally: Connecting to www.debian.org (www.debian.org)|130.89.148.14|:80... connected. |
| 19:16.14 | monsune | so i would rather just make it stop using ipv6 at all |
| 19:16.31 | Dagger | does `ping6 2600::` work? |
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| 19:17.17 | monsune | i'm scared to even try that |
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| 19:17.27 | monsune | seriously, i don't understand ipv6 at all |
| 19:17.43 | Dagger | it's just v4 with longer addresses |
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| 19:19.04 | monsune | Dagger that i understand but the syntax is all strange |
| 19:19.48 | monsune | Dagger for now i did: echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 and now apt-get update works just great |
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| 19:21.01 | Dagger | ...sigh. so you still have broken v6, or broken DNS, and now neither of us even know which it is |
| 19:22.26 | monsune | yes |
| 19:22.40 | monsune | oh hm... a broken dns you said |
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| 19:23.01 | monsune | do i need to put a specific dns in resolv.conf for ipv6? none there |
| 19:23.20 | monsune | i mean there is just ipv4 or 2 in there |
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| 19:23.40 | Dagger | no, any (non-broken) DNS server works |
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| 19:24.00 | Dagger | but the issue (if it is one) is that you're seeing v6 addresses for www.debian.org, when I'm not |
| 19:24.22 | monsune | Dagger so you don't see any hmm |
| 19:24.35 | monsune | but how can this be DNS issue if it works for ipv4 just fine? |
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| 19:24.54 | monsune | or at least it looks like it works as it does the job |
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| 19:27.07 | DJ_Bitcon | # host debian.org |
| 19:27.07 | DJ_Bitcon | debian.org has address 130.89.148.14 |
| 19:27.07 | DJ_Bitcon | debian.org has IPv6 address 2001:610:1908:b000::148:14 |
| 19:27.18 | Dagger | well, you have mysterious v6 addreses on www.debian.org, and they don't work |
| 19:27.22 | Dagger | seems like there might be a relation |
| 19:27.34 | DJ_Bitcon | it's actually a right one ipv6 |
| 19:27.46 | Dagger | or maybe debian.org just serves different addresses to different people and I'm not being given an AAAA for whatever dumb reason |
| 19:28.01 | monsune | i remember that 2001:610:1908:b000::148:14 and wget failed to connect to it |
| 19:28.17 | monsune | and it went back to ipv4 then which was in fact 130.89.148.14 |
| 19:28.33 | DJ_Bitcon | monsune, just uncomment this line '#precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 |
| 19:28.34 | DJ_Bitcon | ' in /etc/gai.conf |
| 19:28.56 | monsune | i would happily do that but what is the meaning of it? |
| 19:28.57 | DJ_Bitcon | and your apt will prefer ipv4 over ipv6 |
| 19:28.57 | DJ_Bitcon | and everything else |
| 19:29.10 | btube | somiaj: got it figured out over in #pidgin :) the libs just needed moving out of /usr/local/lib. thanks again |
| 19:29.15 | monsune | oh indeed... i remember this one from like several years ago :) |
| 19:29.22 | DJ_Bitcon | see the comment above this line in the file i gave |
| 19:29.37 | monsune | many thanks DJ_Bitcon that's a good thing to have :) |
| 19:29.53 | Dagger | or how about we investigate the broken v6 rather than trying to sweep it under the carpet :| |
| 19:30.17 | monsune | Dagger i love to clean stuff but ipv6 is just over my head now |
| 19:30.30 | monsune | i still have other issues to solve and apt-get update was just a small step |
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| 19:30.42 | DJ_Bitcon | he probably doesn't have native ipv6 at all, just a local v6 interface |
| 19:30.52 | monsune | DJ_Bitcon yes i think so too |
| 19:30.54 | Dagger | incidentally I do see v6 addresses on www.debian.org when querying from Japan, so ok, they do GeoIP |
| 19:31.01 | Dagger | and are v4-only in some areas of the planet |
| 19:31.11 | Dagger | DJ_Bitcon: then why was the v6 getting sorted first? |
| 19:31.54 | Dagger | (`ifconfig` would've given more info, but not now that v6 is disabled) |
| 19:31.58 | DJ_Bitcon | i think it is picking a random address from resolve for each request |
| 19:32.25 | DJ_Bitcon | this happened to me many times |
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| 19:32.54 | Dagger | it's not. the addresses are sorted per /etc/gai.conf, which by default means, approximately, that v6 goes first if you have public v6, otherwise v4 goes first |
| 19:32.56 | monsune | #precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 <--such a great hint :) it finally works now even though i tried to disable ipv6 at all but still had issues |
| 19:33.07 | Dagger | and wget prints the addresses in the order they come from the resolver |
| 19:33.28 | somiaj | btube: local installs (anything in /usr/local) will be default overthings in /usr, this is botha blessing and a curse. Anyways realize that dpkg will only install stuff in /usr and source installs should only install stuff in /usr/local). If there is a duplicate/conflict the stuff in /usr/local is prefered. |
| 19:33.36 | monsune | but then again: 93% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb)] |
| 19:33.41 | monsune | what the f... |
| 19:34.27 | somiaj | btube: you should also consider looking into gnu stow (or check-install) if you are going to do lots of source installs. Makes orginizing /usr/local easier |
| 19:34.39 | Dagger | actually, thinking about it, in your wget output: "Resolving security.debian.org (security.debian.org)... 195.20.242.89, 212.211.132.32, 212.211.132.250, ..." |
| 19:34.49 | Dagger | which must be no v6 addresses or they'd be first |
| 19:34.59 | Dagger | so... what |
| 19:35.11 | Ephexeve | Is there anyway I can set the following in ssh: Everytime a username called x tried to ssh, redirect the ssh connection to another machine? |
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| 19:35.40 | monsune | yes Dagger, why would it try ipv6 at all when it clearly gets ipv4 there |
| 19:35.50 | monsune | must be some dns madness |
| 19:35.58 | Dagger | try `host security.debian.org |
| 19:35.59 | Dagger | ` |
| 19:36.15 | Dagger | try it a few times and see if the response is the same or not |
| 19:36.37 | Dagger | you might be inconsistent results from different queries |
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| 19:37.03 | btube | somiaj: thank you. I will read about stow today |
| 19:37.28 | r0xtedy | hello |
| 19:37.38 | monsune | Dagger even better.. it spit out 3 ipv4 and 2 ipv6 at once |
| 19:37.41 | r0xtedy | I am getting this output when trying to make realtek audio driver |
| 19:37.44 | r0xtedy | http://paste.debian.net/334699/ |
| 19:37.47 | r0xtedy | can anyone help me? |
| 19:37.49 | r0xtedy | with this? |
| 19:38.05 | monsune | so i think it could be about resolver also |
| 19:38.18 | monsune | i might want to make it stop pulling ipv6 at all :) |
| 19:38.41 | monsune | DJ_Bitcon would you have an idea how to do that? i just don't want to see ipv6 in host command reply |
| 19:38.53 | Dagger | don't :p we seriously do need everybody on v6 |
| 19:38.57 | Dagger | if your v6 is broken, fix it |
| 19:39.14 | monsune | he he |
| 19:39.46 | monsune | the concern #1 is the security |
| 19:39.52 | monsune | i can't trust it if i don't understand it at all |
| 19:40.10 | monsune | if it was simply like 5 octets instead of 4 then fine |
| 19:40.15 | monsune | btw wondering why it is not |
| 19:40.35 | Dagger | it pretty much is |
| 19:40.39 | monsune | what was so hard with just expanding current schema of ipv4? |
| 19:40.57 | monsune | so it's easy to understand and follow |
| 19:41.12 | Dagger | also there's no point going to 5 octets because that's only barely big enough for all our current devices, let alone all our future ones |
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| 19:41.34 | monsune | i would seriously prefer 130.121.19.176.56 instead of mysterious FFFF: stuff |
| 19:42.03 | monsune | Dagger if 5 is not enough then 6 :) |
| 19:42.28 | monsune | just looking at /etc/gai.conf makes me scared |
| 19:42.52 | Dagger | it'd be more like 192.0.2.130.121.19.176.56.45.87.126.87.34.71.241.34 though, which is just silly |
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| 19:43.11 | Dagger | 128 is the lowest power of 2 that can reasonably work indefinitely |
| 19:43.23 | Dagger | 64 is /almost/ enough but not quite |
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| 19:43.48 | Dagger | 80 or 96 bits would probably be fine |
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| 19:44.32 | monsune | well that gives me a picture of what ipv6 is capable of... impressive i must say |
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| 19:46.07 | monsune | please be sure that i'm not close minded and i would probably consider ipv6 anytime soon, i just need time to understand it and adjust to it, which isn't easy when doing a daily job based just on ipv4 |
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| 19:48.30 | amdp_ | hi my ssh service works but I can't access remotely.. |
| 19:50.09 | Azrael_- | perhaps you only try it with the user "root"? |
| 19:50.16 | monsune | amdp_ so how do you know that it works? |
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| 19:51.10 | monsune | and please define "can't access" - does it display a prompt or nothing happens and you connection refused? |
| 19:51.18 | monsune | and you get* |
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| 19:51.28 | amdp_ | monsune I am ssh-ing localhost and works fine.. hold.. ping does not even works, maybe there's some problem in the network setup.. |
| 19:52.00 | amdp_ | monsune: how do I check network problems? is there a log? |
| 19:52.52 | nemran23 | hi everyone |
| 19:53.13 | nemran23 | i'm looking for a documentation about config the menu |
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| 19:55.42 | monsune | amdp_ you might want to check ifconfig first of all |
| 19:56.04 | monsune | see if you have a public ip assigned or if the eth0 is up at all |
| 19:56.45 | monsune | you could also just try to ping or mtr the world from the localhost and see if it works |
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| 19:59.37 | amdp_ | monsune: is it possible that some service is not loaded at boot? what is the main service that should be loaded to allow network to work? |
| 20:00.12 | monsune | are you on debian? |
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| 20:02.55 | amdp_ | monsune: yes, (ping says network unreachable) |
| 20:04.22 | monsune | what interfaces do you see? when you type: ifconfig |
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| 20:05.33 | amdp_ | monsune: solved thanks!!! ifupdown service wasn't on autostart |
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| 20:09.44 | monsune | amdp_ well that was another question to ask :) |
| 20:09.49 | monsune | i was slowly getting there |
| 20:10.14 | monsune | strange though as it should work out of the box |
| 20:10.51 | monsune | assuming that your interfaces config is fine |
| 20:10.55 | amdp_ | monsune: infact if I type systemctl it tells me the networking.service failed to load.. so after a reboot it is going to do it again, how do I solve that? |
| 20:11.33 | monsune | just configure your networking in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:14.21 | amdp_ | monsune: seems to be configured quite fine, how do I set ifupdown to automatically start? typing systemctl enable sysupdown does not work.. |
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| 20:15.07 | monsune | honestly i never had to do that |
| 20:15.48 | monsune | but you probably want to try this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/166473/debian-how-to-run-a-script-on-startup-as-soon-as-there-is-an-internet-connecti |
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| 20:20.37 | ZenWalker | hello, initramfs has logs? |
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| 20:23.42 | valdyn | ZenWalker: if you are using systemd then everything is logged in the journal |
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| 20:24.50 | towo` | journald starts after initrd |
| 20:24.59 | amdp_ | monsune: again, the ifupdown didn't load.. |
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| 20:25.46 | amdp_ | valdyn: where is the systemd journal? |
| 20:26.17 | amdp_ | valdyn: I googled it thanks |
| 20:26.44 | winem_ | good evening. since which version is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ instead of /usr/lib64/ used? Debian 7 or earlier? |
| 20:27.00 | valdyn | amdp_: yes, you want to google the docs, the usual "|grep foo" may be needlessly slow |
| 20:27.42 | valdyn | winem_: wheezy may have been the first release with proper multiarch support |
| 20:28.10 | amdp_ | valdyn: I am trying to fix the network interface that fails to load and I found: Failed to start LSB: Raise network interfaces.. |
| 20:28.34 | valdyn | amdp_: show us your interfaces file |
| 20:28.35 | towo` | valdyn, journactl --no-pager | grep foo is equal fast as dmesg | grep foo |
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| 20:28.48 | valdyn | towo`: not really |
| 20:28.54 | towo` | here it is |
| 20:29.05 | valdyn | towo`: of course it may be for your use case |
| 20:29.10 | amdp_ | valdyn: monsone: http://pastebin.ca/3266037 |
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| 20:29.21 | amdp_ | (thanks for your help |
| 20:29.31 | valdyn | amdp_: i meant your interfaces file |
| 20:29.40 | amdp_ | coming :-) |
| 20:30.17 | amdp_ | valdyn http://pastebin.ca/3266041 |
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| 20:30.55 | ok2cqr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.58 | valdyn | amospalla: I didnt know it takes a netmask like that |
| 20:31.05 | valdyn | amospalla: maybe it does not |
| 20:31.22 | winem_ | valdyn, I build a debian package from a repo cloned from github and it still uses lib64, e.g. so I would like to fix the issues and push it back to github. how would you fix this? adding a special makefile / conf for multiarch support or use switches depending on the content of /etc/debian_version? |
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| 20:32.46 | valdyn | amdp_: address 95.110.226.81 \ netmask 255.255.248.0 |
| 20:33.42 | valdyn | amdp_: I didnt know it takes a netmask like that, maybe it does not ( the /21 ) |
| 20:34.04 | amdp_ | valdyn: you mean I should edit that line? |
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| 20:34.24 | valdyn | amdp_: probably, i cant say if your line works |
| 20:34.36 | valdyn | amdp_: you can try for yourself "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" |
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| 20:35.20 | amdp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.05 | valdyn | amdp_: well now its certainly broken... |
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| 20:36.34 | amdp_ | valdyn: how do I reload the network/interfaces file? |
| 20:36.43 | valdyn | amdp_: http://pastebin.ca/3266057 |
| 20:36.58 | valdyn | amdp_: you dont need to reload it, you just run those commands that just showed you that the file is broken |
| 20:37.20 | valdyn | amdp_: and i pasted garbage, let me fix |
| 20:37.56 | valdyn | amdp_: http://pastebin.ca/3266063 |
| 20:39.20 | amdp_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/3266071 |
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| 20:39.53 | valdyn | amdp_: ifupdown is quite lame |
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| 20:39.58 | valdyn | amdp_: your file may be ok now |
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| 20:40.19 | valdyn | amdp_: "ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0 down; ifup eth0" |
| 20:40.36 | valdyn | amdp_: that would be a workaround for the lameness of ifupdown |
| 20:40.45 | amdp_ | it just stops |
| 20:41.00 | amdp_ | valdyn: "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" and then stops |
| 20:41.20 | valdyn | amdp_: that message is expected |
| 20:41.43 | amdp_ | valdyn: ok wait some minutes and I'll retry |
| 20:41.47 | valdyn | amdp_: i think you want to reboot now, i dont want to deal with the messyness of ifupdown |
| 20:42.05 | amdp_ | valdyn: rebooting ;-) |
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| 20:42.34 | valdyn | amdp_: ifupdown does the wrong thing when it has stored "iface is up" while the interface is not (or vice versa) |
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| 20:43.22 | amdp_ | valdyn: nothing again.. at boot ifupdown does not start, I have to start it manually with service ifupdown start |
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| 20:44.30 | valdyn | amdp_: "systemctl status ifupdown" |
| 20:44.43 | amdp_ | valdyn: found it - http://pastebin.ca/3266089 |
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| 20:45.22 | valdyn | amdp_: your ifup.d script is broken |
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| 20:45.48 | amdp_ | valdyn: is there a way to apt-get install --reinstall something? |
| 20:45.58 | valdyn | amdp_: why would you want to do that? |
| 20:46.12 | amdp_ | valdyn: :-) I don't |
| 20:46.41 | valdyn | amdp_: you just cant have that script there, remove it |
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| 20:47.13 | amdp_ | valdyn: which one? |
| 20:47.26 | valdyn | amdp_: /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail |
| 20:48.06 | valdyn | amdp_: you seriously even using sendmail? |
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| 20:48.44 | valdyn | amdp_: why is your nfs needing a .local domain name? |
| 20:48.45 | amdp_ | valdyn: not at all, I noticed that but I thought it was related with the sendmail binary that postfix uses |
| 20:49.08 | valdyn | amdp_: no, that error message sais you are running sendmail, not postfix |
| 20:49.34 | valdyn | amdp_: i wonder what else is fucked up on your system |
| 20:50.02 | valdyn | amdp_: git.foobar.local is a broken domain name |
| 20:50.13 | amdp_ | valdyn: strange I was using postfix all the time |
| 20:50.38 | valdyn | amdp_: .local is for dynamic name discovery. I dont think it should even have a triplet like git.foobar.local |
| 20:51.00 | valdyn | amdp_: .local is not legal for anything else but that |
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| 20:51.53 | valdyn | amdp_: anyway just remove /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail then i see only one error left |
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| 20:52.52 | amdp_ | valdyn: ok rebooting |
| 20:53.01 | valdyn | amdp_: git.foobar.local is probably in your fstab |
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| 20:55.15 | winem_ | valdyn: do you have any input or best practice for me? |
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| 20:56.21 | valdyn | winem_: nope |
| 20:56.43 | winem_ | ok, thx |
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| 21:06.50 | wallbroken | do you have a debian lxde start menu icon? |
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| 21:10.59 | ZenWalker | valdyn: no, the fsck on root partition is not on journalctl |
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| 21:25.16 | amdp_ | valdyn: I managed to have a ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0 down; ifup eth0 with no errors |
| 21:25.57 | amdp_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/3266165 |
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| 21:28.11 | wallbroken | do you have a debian lxde start menu icon? |
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| 21:30.00 | abrotman | wallbroken: Do you need help? |
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| 21:39.50 | wallbroken | abrotman, yes |
| 21:39.53 | wallbroken | i installed lxde |
| 21:40.02 | wallbroken | but i have on start menu the lxde icon |
| 21:40.13 | wallbroken | and i want to substitute it with the debian one |
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| 21:43.34 | abrotman | you can probably overwrite the icon file |
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| 21:51.10 | wallbroken | abrotman, yes, i can |
| 21:51.15 | wallbroken | but that's not what i asket |
| 21:51.17 | wallbroken | asked |
| 21:51.23 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:51.25 | wallbroken | i asked some .png icon |
| 21:51.34 | wallbroken | of debian to put in instead of the lxde one |
| 21:51.58 | abrotman | Okay |
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| 21:58.10 | amdp_ | abrotman: can you help me configuring the network on a jessie? |
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| 22:00.39 | Miesco_ | Hi. Is there a way to backup google drive on debian? |
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| 22:01.15 | abrotman | amdp_: man interfaces |
| 22:01.30 | abrotman | Miesco_: on a scheduled task? |
| 22:01.44 | Miesco_ | abrotman: No just once |
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| 22:01.55 | abrotman | Miesco_: Isn't there an option in the browser? |
| 22:01.59 | amdp_ | abrotman: what can cause the ifupdown service not to be loaded at boot? |
| 22:02.12 | abrotman | it's been disabled? |
| 22:02.22 | amdp_ | how? |
| 22:02.26 | abrotman | you tell me |
| 22:02.33 | abrotman | what does your interfaces look like? |
| 22:02.35 | amdp_ | or.. how do I enable it back again |
| 22:02.41 | amdp_ | interface is ok |
| 22:02.49 | amdp_ | or at least it seems so.. pasting.. |
| 22:03.00 | moozzz | Miesco_: I heard there was a tool called grive, it can backup google drives |
| 22:03.25 | amdp_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/3266236 |
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| 22:03.28 | Miesco_ | moozzz: I think its broken to new google api. I think you can backup from the browser though. |
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| 22:05.20 | moozzz | Miesco_: and how about this https://github.com/iwonbigbro/gsync ? |
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| 22:11.05 | amdp_ | is /usr/bin/config_data used only by perl? |
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| 22:18.46 | tensorpudding | So how do I know what mail delivery program I'm using? |
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| 22:19.56 | tensorpudding | I want to know so I can configure it to deposit my user's emails in the place that Thunderbird will look for them. |
| 22:20.35 | abrotman | you mean the MTA, or the MUA? |
| 22:20.42 | abrotman | or the IMAP server? |
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| 22:21.32 | tensorpudding | MTA is probably what I want. |
| 22:21.59 | abrotman | Thunderbird won't fetch messages via the MTA |
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| 22:22.49 | tensorpudding | abrotman: Thunderbird can see mails that are in my ~/Mail folder, I want exim or whatever to put mails directed for "user" in /home/user/Mail or at least somewhere else Thunderbird can read them. |
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| 22:23.11 | abrotman | tensorpudding: telnet localhost 25, what does it say? |
| 22:23.21 | tensorpudding | I think it's kind of silly to have to use the 'mail' command line program for this. |
| 22:23.36 | tensorpudding | abrotman: Seems to be exim. |
| 22:23.46 | abrotman | tensorpudding: so, look in /etc/exim4/ or something like that |
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| 22:25.17 | tensorpudding | Also I worry about format issues, I can't tell what format Thunderbird is using. There are .msf files in the directory and stuff. |
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| 22:30.00 | Taora | hello everybody! I was unpacking a tar file, and my cursor froze. I have enough disk space. so was it because the ram was used up? I wonder if I could access my desktop if I restarted the machine. can you help me please? |
| 22:30.14 | amdp_ | abrotman: the  network-online.target is dead/inactive :-( |
| 22:30.37 | amdp_ | I issued systemctl enable systemd-networkd |
| 22:31.19 | amdp_ | should I check that the service should be started before others? |
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| 22:32.24 | tensorpudding | Ah, I figured things out, nevermind. There is an option for Unix mail on Thunderbird. |
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| 22:41.58 | amdp_ | the network-online.target is dead/inactive how could I fix that? |
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| 22:43.06 | abrotman | systemctl ? |
| 22:43.58 | amdp_ | abrotman: how? |
| 22:45.14 | abrotman | man systemctl ? |
| 22:46.59 | amdp_ | I am reading it but it's hard to find the solution |
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| 22:48.33 | amdp_ | abrotman: list-dependencies? |
| 22:49.08 | amdp_ | preset? |
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| 22:52.27 | winem_ | does anyone have a list of changes on the location of files between debian 6 and debian 7 with multiarch-support? |
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| 22:54.15 | abrotman | amdp_: keep it in the channel, no need to msg me |
| 22:54.34 | abrotman | amdp_: why can't you enable the service? |
| 22:54.55 | amdp_ | I enabled it but it simply does not affect any change |
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| 22:55.16 | abrotman | what's the error at boot time? |
| 22:55.30 | amdp_ | abrotman: apparently none |
| 22:56.02 | amdp_ | abrotman: I tried to install bootlog but I can't see any boot log |
| 22:57.31 | simonlnu | amdp_: you checking /var/log, have you rebooted since? |
| 22:58.05 | amdp_ | abrotman: this is systemctl report: http://pastebin.ca/3266310 |
| 22:58.27 | amdp_ | simonlnu: yes, boot file does not change.. I'll try and remove it |
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| 22:58.49 | simonlnu | don't bother,just mv it |
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| 22:59.31 | amdp_ | simonlnu: always move my stuff to a trash then rm after a week |
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| 23:00.13 | amdp_ | simonlnu: BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=yes in /etc/default/bootlogd right? |
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| 23:00.29 | simonlnu | you have some of trash-cli thingy going? |
| 23:00.33 | simonlnu | yeah |
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| 23:00.50 | amdp_ | simonlnu: no it's just a directoy |
| 23:00.52 | abrotman | still haven't seen your interfaces file, oryour network-manager config |
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| 23:06.33 | amdp_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/3266326 |
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| 23:07.32 | grantwu | I'm on Jessie and upgraded my kernel to 4.2, and I need to upgrade to the latest version of OpenAFS to get it to work on this kernel, but I am having a dependency issue |
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| 23:08.22 | grantwu | Specifically, this is my issue: https://bpaste.net/show/32ea3566cbab |
| 23:09.29 | centrx | grantwu, Looks like you are upgrading to testing? |
| 23:09.39 | centrx | grantwu, Did you get the 4.2 kernel from jessie-backports? |
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| 23:09.48 | grantwu | centrx: I got it from jessie-backports, yes |
| 23:10.11 | grantwu | centrx: I followed http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 23:10.26 | grantwu | So I want to remain on stable except for my kernel and OpenAFS |
| 23:11.20 | centrx | grantwu, That might be difficult. You could try a source backport of OpenAFS (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 23:11.27 | centrx | grantwu, You can't use OpenAFS 1.6.9? |
| 23:11.53 | grantwu | centrx: According to the changelog, the latest version of OpenAFS that supports 4.2 is 1.6.14 |
| 23:12.09 | grantwu | I upgraded to kernel 4.2 because of a bug in the display driver in 3.16 |
| 23:15.31 | centrx | grantwu, I would try doing the source backport |
| 23:15.32 | centrx | !ssb |
| 23:15.32 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 23:16.00 | abrotman | amdp_: I doubt that's your netmask |
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| 23:16.41 | abrotman | amdp_: Double check with your ISP or hosting company |
| 23:17.22 | amdp_ | abrotman: ok |
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| 23:23.36 | grantwu | centrx: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=afs&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=jessie-backports So... this turns up nothing |
| 23:24.21 | grantwu | Am I correct in guessing that this means that there aren't any backports? |
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| 23:25.44 | amdp_ | abrotman: before it was 8icgubyznc/21 |
| 23:26.00 | amdp_ | abrotman: before it was 95.110.226.215/21 |
| 23:26.12 | amdp_ | no netmask line |
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| 23:28.29 | centrx | grantwu, Right, you have to make it yourself using the Debian package. It is easy step-by-step -- if it works. |
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| 23:30.33 | amdp_ | abrotman: should I just remove it? |
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| 23:32.37 | amdp_ | abrotman: I do not have network manager but systemd-networkd |
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| 23:34.25 | grantwu | centrx: Wait, how is this going to fix my dependency issue |
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| 23:38.03 | amdp_ | abrotman: nm-ifupdown-connection.c.101 - invalid connection read from /etc/network/inte |
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| 23:39.52 | abrotman | interesting |
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| 23:44.16 | centrx | grantwu, The newer OpenAFS package has dependencies on specific versions of packages that are in testing/unstable |
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| 23:45.20 | centrx | grantwu, Oftentimes, by recompiling the package with different versions of the libraries--the ones that are on your machine--the testing/unstable package can be made to work on your stable system |
| 23:45.54 | grantwu | centrx: Okay, sorry, I was under the impression that I couldn't have conflicting versions of the same libraries on my system |
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| 23:46.09 | linux77537 | Hi there |
| 23:46.09 | grantwu | But someone told me that version symbols would fix this, or something |
| 23:46.24 | linux77537 | Can I edit a file on my HDD by booting up a live CD? |
| 23:46.38 | linux77537 | I;ve done it before but dont remember how I did it. |
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| 23:47.16 | grantwu | linux77537: I think you should be able to, depending on the filesystem. |
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| 23:47.45 | linux77537 | When I run nautilius as root from the live CD my HDD magically disappears lol. |
| 23:47.59 | linux77537 | It shows up fine when I dont run nautilus as root. |
| 23:48.22 | grantwu | does it show up under /mnt? |
| 23:48.32 | linux77537 | oh |
| 23:48.40 | linux77537 | didnt check that, gimme a sec. |
| 23:48.47 | linux77537 | Thx for answering. grantwu |
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