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| 00:04.54 | bill_lx | can i make a jessie install without a swap partition |
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| 00:06.49 | hypermagnus | somiaj: SOMAIAJ. :D :D :D |
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| 00:07.03 | hypermagnus | somiaj is legend. |
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| 00:08.46 | hypermagnus | somiaj: thanks for the advice earlier. i tried installing with the firmware non-free netinstall image you linked me to and it did the trick with the network problem. got it installed and loving it. :D |
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| 00:20.14 | amdp_ | somiaj: could you help me in fixing my server network? |
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| 00:52.27 | markybob | !based on debian |
| 00:52.27 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 00:58.41 | SleepySkies | Hello all. I'm having trouble updating JRE on my Debian Wheezy server, and I'm looking to update to JRE 8 |
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| 01:06.33 | SleepySkies | Think I got it |
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| 01:08.13 | SleepySkies | Later. :) |
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| 01:52.10 | relipse3 | How do I get my certificate workign for my domain |
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| 02:09.14 | monsune | can you sha1 a text? i need a sha1 pass hash for word: hello |
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| 02:10.57 | abrotman | monsune: so can you, there's a binary on your system |
| 02:11.45 | monsune | abrotman yes there is sha1sum but afaik it can't hash a string or am i totally wrong? |
| 02:12.03 | monsune | it expects filename as an argument |
| 02:12.20 | markybob | monsune, please man sha1sum |
| 02:12.29 | monsune | markybob ok doing so |
| 02:13.22 | monsune | With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input. |
| 02:13.32 | monsune | and still can't figure it out... |
| 02:14.11 | markybob | OneM_Industries, echo "hello" |sha1sum |
| 02:14.25 | markybob | monsune* |
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| 02:14.55 | monsune | my bad.. |
| 02:15.11 | monsune | i tried the other way round to hell and back like sha1sum < echo "12345" |
| 02:15.28 | monsune | out of my mind today |
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| 02:15.52 | markybob | shit happens :) |
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| 02:18.59 | monsune | thanks again abrotman and markybob :) |
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| 02:37.56 | markybob | grub4dos |
| 02:38.12 | markybob | damnit |
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| 02:42.11 | pial | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.31 | Skora | fail |
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| 02:45.41 | pial | :p |
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| 03:56.14 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 03:56.16 | Azrael_- | how is it possible for "apt-cache" to not show a package but i can install it with "apt-get"?` |
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| 03:57.05 | abrotman | which package? |
| 03:57.08 | krav | ok. it's done. I can finish explaining..again :P |
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| 03:57.37 | Azrael_- | i added "http://repo.mysql.com/mysql-apt-config_0.2.1-1debian7_all.deb" and tried to install "mysql-server-5.6" |
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| 04:01.28 | pial | ,v libjpeg-turbo8 |
| 04:01.30 | judd | No package named 'libjpeg-turbo8' was found in amd64. |
| 04:01.58 | mdim | hi folks |
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| 04:02.20 | rabbitear | apt-cache search libjpeg |
| 04:02.21 | mdim | I've been trying to use debootstrap to create an image for the powerpc architecture, where my host machine is amd64 |
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| 04:02.39 | mdim | the process fails with: chroot: failed to run command âmountâ: No such file or directory |
| 04:02.46 | mdim | however, I do have mount installed on my host machine |
| 04:03.06 | Azrael_- | abrotman: any idea? |
| 04:03.06 | mdim | this is how I try to do it: sudo debootstrap --arch=powerpc --variant=minbase sid sid-powerpc http://httpredir.debian.org/debian |
| 04:03.12 | mdim | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 04:10.48 | swift110 | hey guys your welcome to my channel #forthenerds |
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| 04:27.47 | beepie | somebody kick swift110 -- he shouldn't be spamming a bunch of channels like this on freenode |
| 04:28.01 | swift110 | shut up beepie |
| 04:28.08 | beepie | swift110, troll |
| 04:28.15 | swift110 | you just mad because i kicked you from my channel |
| 04:28.19 | beepie | wtf? |
| 04:28.26 | beepie | oO |
| 04:28.38 | beepie | ignores swift110 |
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| 04:30.09 | swift110 | ignores beepie |
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| 04:33.20 | lesta | heh |
| 04:33.45 | swift110 | hey lesta |
| 04:33.55 | rabbitear | mo irc drama |
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| 04:36.20 | markybob | swift110, telling people to shut up isn't tolerated. nor is spamming, btw. |
| 04:36.42 | Chocolate_Chip | https://murdercube.com/files/Computers/Operating_Systems/UNIX/Hacking%20the%20UNIX%20System.txt How out of date is this? Are these exploits now safeguarded? I was asking some people earlier but they didn't give me a complete answer |
| 04:37.58 | swift110 | markybob, depends on circumstances and I haven't spammed |
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| 04:38.37 | markybob | swift110, what do you think randomly telling people to join your channel is? |
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| 04:40.07 | iWaldo_ | i'm setting up a samba server for my home network. i've done so before, but this time i'd like to have a better understanding of my smb.conf file. most resources have conflicting info regarding the minimal setup for sharing drives on a home network (i'm keeping notes and trying to figure out what everything actually does). can any of you point me to a good resource (other than the manpage, of course... i'm reading it now but it |
| 04:40.07 | iWaldo_ | is slow going) |
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| 04:42.04 | SirLagz | eww samba |
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| 04:42.27 | SirLagz | iWaldo_: the default configuration should only need a little bit of tweaking to get it working |
| 04:42.44 | iWaldo_ | SirLagz, do ya have a better route to sharing drives with windows machines? |
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| 04:44.25 | iWaldo_ | SirLagz, i've set up samba by tweaking the default smb.conf before, but i'm trying to figure out what is and isn't necessary. i suppose i'll probably have to resort to reading through the manpage, but that thing is pretty long winded |
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| 04:45.01 | Chocolate_Chip | Did anyone see me post? |
| 04:45.07 | Chocolate_Chip | https://murdercube.com/files/Computers/Operating_Systems/UNIX/Hacking%20the%20UNIX%20System.txt How out of date is this? Are these exploits now safeguarded? I was asking some people earlier but they didn't give me a complete answer |
| 04:46.01 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, yes, we saw it |
| 04:46.12 | Chocolate_Chip | Is some of it still valid? |
| 04:46.15 | Chocolate_Chip | I know the majority isn't |
| 04:46.31 | valdyn | Chocolate_Chip: that text is not interesting |
| 04:46.32 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, the point is this is #debian. |
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| 04:46.53 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, we're not a "hacking" whatever channel. |
| 04:46.57 | Chocolate_Chip | I want to know if I need to protect myself against these explouits on my Debian system |
| 04:47.03 | Chocolate_Chip | That's why I asked here |
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| 04:47.10 | valdyn | Chocolate_Chip: the answer is "no" |
| 04:47.24 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, okay. from what i've read, you're fine. i didn't see anything that would be valid |
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| 04:48.03 | Chocolate_Chip | Thank you |
| 04:48.19 | valdyn | to bad theres no date on it, probably from the 80ies |
| 04:48.31 | Chocolate_Chip | Probably |
| 04:48.51 | Chocolate_Chip | I also found this https://murdercube.com/files/Computers/Practical%20Unix%20&%20Internet%20Security/ |
| 04:48.55 | Chocolate_Chip | P interesting |
| 04:49.36 | valdyn | Second Edition, April 1996. |
| 04:49.38 | markybob | it's also illegal to be posting it...but whatever |
| 04:50.07 | Chocolate_Chip | Illegal to post information? |
| 04:50.16 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, copyrighted books? yes |
| 04:50.43 | azonenberg | So on the topic of security... |
| 04:50.44 | Chocolate_Chip | Oh. I thought you were refering to the .txt because it is a guide to do illegal things |
| 04:50.56 | azonenberg | i'm trying to roll out kerberos and nfs4 |
| 04:51.10 | azonenberg | server is hostname "congress", debian 8 amd64 |
| 04:51.20 | azonenberg | client is hostname "skipjack", debian 7 amd64 |
| 04:51.31 | azonenberg | kerberos KDC runs on congress |
| 04:51.46 | azonenberg | Both machines are configured with forward and reverse DNS records and NTP |
| 04:52.00 | azonenberg | when on skipjack, I can log into congress via SSH using kerberos GSS authentication |
| 04:52.09 | azonenberg | So i am reasonably confident i have the basic kerberos setup working |
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| 04:52.35 | azonenberg | But I get "access denied by server" when trying to mount the NFS export |
| 04:53.02 | azonenberg | In syslog, I see some rather interesting messages |
| 04:53.30 | azonenberg | Nov 21 20:52:14 skipjack rpc.gssd[32039]: WARNING: Failed to create krb5 context for user with uid 0 for server congress.lab.bainbridge.antikernel.net |
| 04:53.30 | azonenberg | Nov 21 20:52:14 skipjack rpc.gssd[32039]: WARNING: Failed to create machine krb5 context with credentials cache FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_LAB.BAINBRIDGE.ANTIKERNEL.NET for server congress.lab.bainbridge.antikernel.net |
| 04:53.30 | azonenberg | Nov 21 20:52:14 skipjack rpc.gssd[32039]: WARNING: Failed to create machine krb5 context with any credentials cache for server congress.lab.bainbridge.antikernel.net |
| 04:53.51 | azonenberg | So somehow kerberos and/or gss are acting different for NFS than for SSH and i can't figure out what's wrong |
| 04:54.00 | azonenberg | Ideas on where to start debugging this? Been banging my head on it for half the day now |
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| 04:58.20 | somiaj | azonenberg: I'd suggest #kerberos if no one here responds. |
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| 04:59.08 | azonenberg | somiaj: i was in there before, they weren't too helpful (as in, nobody was around except one person who provided a few hints on logfile verbosity and that was it) |
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| 05:44.56 | optraz | hi, recently in the browser chromium, whenever i click on a link, it open another window with spam sites, how do i remove it? |
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| 05:54.14 | bz | so i've got a armhf debootstrap up and running, but trying to compile stuff on it with gcc is very ridiculously slow. any pointers on what source of the problem could be? |
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| 05:57.31 | optraz | slow cpu or slow io? |
| 06:00.20 | bz | cpu |
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| 06:01.12 | bz | just ran a pystone benchmark from both inside the debootstrap and also from a tiny armhf cpu i have |
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| 06:01.20 | bz | it's slower inside debootstrap |
| 06:01.49 | bz | i should probably also mention that debootstrap's host is a 12-core intel thing |
| 06:01.59 | bz | i'm thinking there |
| 06:02.04 | bz | 's soething off with qemu-arm-static |
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| 06:06.09 | optraz | u r using x86_64 cpu to compile arm codes? |
| 06:10.14 | bz | optraz: yes |
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| 06:11.04 | optraz | i guess it will be slower, unless you have arm cpu |
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| 06:11.27 | optraz | once i have codes in java and when run the codes on android emulator, F*CKING SLOW... |
| 06:11.30 | optraz | =) |
| 06:11.59 | bz | yeah, but this isn't full virtualization |
| 06:12.19 | bz | it's just a chroot inside a powerful monster of a server |
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| 06:20.40 | bronse | So. I read somewhere I need to install X. I do apt-get install X and it doesnt work. It turns out that I needed to do apt-get install python-X. How am I supposed to search for these package names efficiently without tons of random googling? |
| 06:20.58 | iitalics | apt-get install xorg? |
| 06:21.00 | bronse | Isn't there some central repository where I can search for the package I need instead of guessing? |
| 06:21.28 | bronse | no X is a placeholder for some random package, like pip. |
| 06:21.38 | bronse | I guess I should have just said pip to begin with. |
| 06:25.12 | somiaj | bronse: apt-cache search can search the data base, by default it searchs package names and package descriptions |
| 06:25.29 | somiaj | bronse: in your case apt-cache --names-only search foo would return all packages that ahve foo in their name. |
| 06:25.47 | somiaj | bronse: this is also useful for libaries because sometimes debian attaches a version/abi string to the end. |
| 06:26.24 | bronse | Thank you. |
| 06:28.47 | somiaj | if you need more advance searching, aptitude search can search for almost anything you want to know abouta package. |
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| 06:32.25 | bronse | OK. |
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| 06:41.09 | Cynix_ | three of my special fn keys does not work unless i put my laptop to suspend and resume. it works fine in debian 7 (wheezy), but my clean installation of debian 8 (jessie) has this problem. |
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| 06:42.21 | Cynix_ | in 'sudo showkey -k' before suspend and resume, the keys return 465, but after sleep and resume, keys return 22x |
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| 06:42.49 | Cynix_ | happens in ubuntu and debian. i used debian netinst, so all the packages are latest |
| 06:43.25 | somiaj | that is strange, if the keymap codes are changing due to a suspend/resume |
| 06:43.38 | somiaj | Are there any updates to the biso of your machine? |
| 06:43.41 | somiaj | bios |
| 06:44.02 | Cynix_ | nope, the machine is over 7 years old. bios is the latest the vendor has released |
| 06:44.16 | somiaj | sorry, not keymap, keycodes |
| 06:44.30 | somiaj | have you looked at the logs during the suspend/resume and see if anything looks suspicious |
| 06:45.40 | Cynix_ | nope, nothing suspicious. someone suggested here on #debian before it could be because nouveau reloaded. but i removed nouveau and installed nvidia prop drivers with same issue recurring |
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| 06:45.46 | Cynix_ | for what it's worth, someone over at fedora suggested that it's probably something xserver related. because when i was on f22, the same issue can be replicated. on f23 with the new xserver, the keys works out of the box. |
| 06:46.07 | Cynix_ | any suggestions? |
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| 06:46.16 | somiaj | I don't see how the display drivers are doing to effect the keycodes. |
| 06:46.42 | somiaj | something is happening during the suspend that is changing the keycodes so they are then correctly registered by your desktop |
| 06:46.55 | somiaj | I wonder if you could force the keycodes to change |
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| 06:47.38 | Cynix_ | i've tried for quite a while to try and achieve that, but i don't really know where to start. is it possible to restart X via a tty? |
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| 06:49.24 | somiaj | why do you need to do that? |
| 06:49.56 | somiaj | If you have a display manager you can restart it via its service/init script. |
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| 06:50.06 | Cynix_ | i don't know. i'm just grasping at everything i can to make debian work on this machine |
| 06:50.06 | Cynix_ | haha |
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| 06:50.51 | somiaj | Well sounds like you just have some keys you need to ignore. But more realisticlly, it is a very strange bug that the keycodes are actually changed between a suspend and a resume. |
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| 06:51.42 | Cynix_ | well i'm going to try and see what i can do, because the keys in the issue are my backlight control keys |
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| 06:52.02 | Cynix_ | if it works in wheezy, i don't see why it shouldn't work in jessie :/ |
| 06:52.11 | somiaj | are you able to use setkeycodes to set the codes you get during boot to the ones that work with your button. |
| 06:52.40 | somiaj | As I said seems strange. Maybe there is some slight issue with the kernel and that laptop. Unusre where to look except check the logs. |
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| 06:53.39 | Cynix_ | i'll do the setkeycodes thing real quick. don't remember but if i remembered correctly it didn't work |
| 06:55.14 | somiaj | yea, my experience with those special keys was just ignore them. (: |
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| 06:57.04 | Cynix_ | well it doesn't work. :/ |
| 06:57.10 | Cynix_ | i guess i'll look around someone then |
| 06:57.18 | Cynix_ | thanks for your input, greatly appreciated |
| 06:57.21 | Cynix_ | (: |
| 06:57.27 | Cynix_ | somemore* |
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| 08:55.33 | SpeedyG1 | hm, how can it be that, +/- 1 minutes after booting my system, my memory (free -m) goes down from +/- 8GB to +/- 3.5GB |
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| 08:58.16 | Zhaofeng_Li | SpeedyG1: Tried ps aux --sort -rss ? |
| 08:58.26 | SpeedyG1 | also see http://paste.debian.net/334880/ both machines are exactly the same configuration |
| 08:59.15 | Zhaofeng_Li | misunderstood :/ |
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| 09:35.32 | mocki | When I shutdown Debian there is the message "Failed to initialize dm devices, ignoring" |
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| 09:45.43 | dokma | my laptop sometimes does not show any boot messages and sometimes does |
| 09:45.49 | dokma | how is this even possible? |
| 09:46.22 | dokma | I'm on 8.2 |
| 09:46.56 | dokma | this time for example it had the fsck warning that it will check in 5 |
| 09:47.01 | dokma | and sda2 clean |
| 09:47.12 | dokma | but no messages of daemons starting at all |
| 09:47.32 | dokma | my lap is very trimmed so it boots a few seconds after that into a console login |
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| 09:48.33 | Shadow_7 | once it gets to the login it clears the screen. And if you have certain console stuff it changes fonts during the boot and clears the screen. |
| 09:49.04 | dokma | yeah, I know about the clearing. that's normal. the prob is I don't get anything before that |
| 09:49.14 | dokma | I also get the font change |
| 09:49.25 | dokma | or resolution change rather |
| 09:49.38 | Shadow_7 | the bootup stuff gets logged in /var/log/ |
| 09:49.40 | dokma | I think the console changes the resolution but not sure |
| 09:49.50 | Shadow_7 | kern.log, dmesg, syslog, and such |
| 09:49.54 | dokma | it sure does, but that's not my prob |
| 09:50.08 | dokma | I can't figure out why sometime nothing is displayed during boot |
| 09:50.30 | Shadow_7 | primary display? or external to the laptop? |
| 09:51.02 | Shadow_7 | on mine, I don't get anything until the font change on the external display |
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| 09:51.31 | Shadow_7 | it also takes a while for the display to figure out that it has a signal and turn on |
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| 09:52.05 | dokma | well with me the display turns on way earlier since I do see the sda2 clean stuff and on this particular time there was the fsck warning |
| 09:52.29 | dokma | I'll got and reboot now to see if I'll get anything this time... |
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| 09:53.20 | Shadow_7 | some displays also have a change period when adjusting resolutions. The stuff is there but not visable because of the state of the display. The LCD on the laptop shouldn't behave this way though |
| 09:53.46 | Shadow_7 | and the bios and linux start modes likely differ |
| 09:54.08 | dokma | the biggest problem is that sometimes the messages are visible and sometimes they are not |
| 09:54.26 | dokma | I'm updating now and then reboot |
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| 09:55.03 | Shadow_7 | you might try the nomodeset parm passed to the kernel at boot |
| 09:55.17 | dokma | hmmm... will do |
| 09:55.29 | Shadow_7 | various splash screen patches for the kernel depending on which you run |
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| 09:56.58 | Shadow_7 | various bootstrap stuff that can skip things at boot. BITD the presence of /BOOTSTRAP or some such to trigger it. +/- naming convention, been a while |
| 09:57.42 | dokma | java updating so will reboot in 5 mins probably |
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| 09:59.22 | dokma | gone |
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| 10:01.29 | SpeedyG1 | hm, i've just downloaded and copied the netinstaller iso to a usb-drive, however when booting from it, it crashes to Grub immediately.. what can I do to have it go to the installer instead? |
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| 10:02.46 | Shadow_7 | SpeedyG: did you dd the iso to the usb-drive? |
| 10:02.54 | SpeedyG | yes |
| 10:03.19 | Shadow_7 | and you got the full iso image, not a partial download, plus md5sum verified |
| 10:03.44 | SpeedyG | yep |
| 10:04.32 | Shadow_7 | verified the stick? they fail to read only... # cmp netinstall.iso /dev/usb-drive |
| 10:06.07 | SpeedyG | they did differ... now dd'ed again and are the same.. |
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| 10:06.26 | Shadow_7 | cmp will fail when it reaches EOF on the iso |
| 10:06.44 | dokma | seems like the 'quiet' kernel param might have been the issue |
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| 10:07.22 | dokma | still does not explain why the daemon messages sometimes came up and sometimes not |
| 10:07.33 | SpeedyG | thx Shadow_7, it works now :) |
| 10:07.42 | dokma | didn't try nomodeset |
| 10:07.46 | Shadow_7 | dokma: quiet can do that. Although you really only need that if your kernel burps messages after boot. (the horrors of that rackspace chromebook challenge) |
| 10:08.26 | dokma | that's exactly what happens. my login prompt comes up and then the messages keep on coming up over it |
| 10:09.23 | dokma | probably why I used it in the first place and forgot about it |
| 10:09.55 | Shadow_7 | figure out what part of the kernel is being noisy and change it / fix it. |
| 10:10.22 | Shadow_7 | or accept quiet as the evil that it is |
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| 10:13.37 | dokma | Shadow_7, thank you bro. Debian the best! |
| 10:13.42 | julius | hi |
| 10:14.33 | julius | got a debian-unstable installation made with debootstrap. at boot time it says: /dev/dm-4 not found. heres the error as screeshot http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=125865 |
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| 10:14.39 | julius | any ideas how to get it booting? |
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| 10:15.01 | julius | basically i installed on lvm and i guess something is missing at boot time for lvm to function |
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| 10:17.37 | Shadow_7 | did you install lvm in the chroot with /dev/ shared with the host system? |
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| 10:20.53 | Shadow_7 | the error could be udev or grub.cfg related in either case. Although if you're booting lvm, perhaps /etc/fstab should not be ext4? idk, never really fiddled with lvm |
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| 10:28.52 | julius | shad0VV_, yes /dev was mounted with --bind |
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| 10:29.43 | Shadow_7 | perhaps chroot again and uninstall lvm? although if you're using it, might need some sort of vol= kernel parm in grub |
| 10:29.44 | julius | shad0VV_, the fstab looks exactly like the one on a booting system, besides the "debian--unstable" part which is unique |
| 10:29.56 | julius | uninstall lvm...why? |
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| 10:30.27 | Shadow_7 | do you need it? are you combining several disks into one big disk? |
| 10:30.55 | julius | yeah...look at my fstab |
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| 10:31.55 | Shadow_7 | maybe update-grub will grab the needed bits? |
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| 10:32.41 | Shadow_7 | but normally if it can't find /dev/... at boot in a non-bootable way, /etc/fstab is wrong, or /boot/grub/grub.cfg is wrong |
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| 10:33.43 | Shadow_7 | I don't use lvm, but normally root=/dev/ versus root=UUID=... for my uses |
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| 10:38.41 | julius | thats true |
| 10:38.49 | julius | let me check grub |
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| 10:43.42 | wacek | checking system boot time |
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| 10:43.48 | wacek | systemd-analyze plot > chart.svg |
| 10:44.36 | wacek | and differences are sometimes a few seconds at boot time |
| 10:45.42 | wacek | what are the reasons surely always starts the same services |
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| 10:48.21 | Shadow_7 | wacek: devices that have to be powered up and ready? And the processes that wait on them. |
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| 10:50.29 | nebg | hello everyone... on my asus laptop... my systemd doesn't see the hdmi port... |
| 10:50.35 | nebg | what could be the cause ? |
| 10:50.43 | nebg | i searched on the web... and didn't find anything... |
| 10:51.09 | nebg | i tried even with xrandr and arandr.... but really is like there is no hdmi port... |
| 10:51.22 | Shadow_7 | probably not systemd, but X and video driver. Or no HDMI at console boot? |
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| 10:52.06 | l3archos | hey all, I have no audio when watching YouTube-Videos. I followed https://wiki.debian.org/Flash and tried to install gnash, lightspark and also shumway. Without success, the audio still is missin in YouTube. It works only when I install flashplayer-nonfree but I don't want to use nonfree software on my computer. Any help appreciated |
| 10:52.13 | Shadow_7 | nebg: power cycle the monitor after starting X? could be a bad hdmi cable |
| 10:53.08 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: pulse audio? you could also try wrapping the browser $ aoss iceweasel |
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| 10:53.32 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: I've seen this issue on various forums. Probably missing something like gstreamer. |
| 10:55.09 | nebg | l3archos, why use flash ? youtube uses html5 |
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| 10:55.23 | nebg | Shadow_7, power cycle the monitor ? |
| 10:55.36 | nebg | no no the hdmi cable is not bad i tried with other laptops... it works fine |
| 10:55.56 | nebg | Shadow_7, what do you mean by power cycle the monitor after starting X ? |
| 10:55.58 | l3archos | nebg: yes, but I also have installed shumwee as told. It doesn't work on Iceweasel, when I open youtube videos there is no audio :( |
| 10:56.04 | Shadow_7 | nebg: turn off/on the monitor after X is running... unplug / replug the power... |
| 10:56.26 | Shadow_7 | nebg: and then check xrandr |
| 10:56.28 | nebg | Shadow_7, the hdmi monitor you mean ? |
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| 10:56.38 | nebg | ok so i start my gnome session normally |
| 10:56.47 | nebg | and i attach the hdmi cable and then ? |
| 10:56.47 | Shadow_7 | nebg: yes... also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which driver is in use |
| 10:56.59 | nebg | i'm using nouveau |
| 10:57.02 | nebg | i have an nvidia |
| 10:57.32 | Shadow_7 | uhg... nouveau... the aol of video drivers |
| 10:57.50 | nebg | Shadow_7, ok anyway what did you advice ? |
| 10:57.53 | nebg | what should i do ? |
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| 10:58.05 | nebg | i mean on the other laptop i see an hdmi port is i launch xrandr |
| 10:58.08 | julius | Shadow_7, look at that, you were right. |
| 10:58.18 | Shadow_7 | nvidia stuff is not so xrandr friendly. nvidia-config perhaps if you were using the proprietary driver |
| 10:58.32 | julius | Shadow_7, root=/dev/debian--unstalbe-root instead of root=/dev/dm-4 what the grub os prober found. and it boots |
| 10:58.49 | Shadow_7 | julius: congratz |
| 10:58.53 | julius | thx |
| 10:58.56 | nebg | Shadow_7, actually aren't the nouveau the best free drivers available ? i know that the amd correspondant suck |
| 10:59.43 | Shadow_7 | Last time I used nouveau it would hard crash about an hour later. nVidia does stuff to sabotage nouveau from what I hear. |
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| 11:00.08 | Shadow_7 | amd on the other hand is more cooperative and radeon drivers are useful IME. |
| 11:00.52 | Shadow_7 | And that was a system that was 10yo. |
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| 11:04.34 | debug0x1 | I love you debian <3 |
| 11:04.40 | debug0x1 | Why can't redhat be more like you? |
| 11:04.50 | Shadow_7 | best free for nVidia, but not like there's much competition in that realm |
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| 11:06.02 | Shadow_7 | oddly I have a similar HDMI-less experience if I run freeBSD on this laptop. |
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| 11:06.45 | Shadow_7 | But hp stream 11 with intel GPU. valleyview according to the bsds. |
| 11:07.19 | Shadow_7 | Works great under linux. Although I have to xrandr the correct resolutions under debian (didn't have to under arch) |
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| 11:22.31 | davide | i think the problem with my hdmi... is that i 'm using nouveau to do things... while |
| 11:22.55 | davide | only the intel drivers are capable of viewing the hdmi port... |
| 11:23.08 | davide | how can i connect the intel to the hdmi port ? |
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| 11:23.19 | davide | or switch my entire Xsession to intel drivers ? |
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| 11:23.42 | Shadow_7 | You have one of those special ones? with the intel to save power and the nVidia one for GPU stuff |
| 11:24.01 | davide | yes |
| 11:24.05 | davide | is common on laptops |
| 11:24.12 | davide | nowadays no ? |
| 11:24.19 | Shadow_7 | Only select laptops |
| 11:24.32 | davide | Only select laptops ? |
| 11:24.35 | davide | what do you mean ? |
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| 11:24.52 | Shadow_7 | most are either power savings "or" (but not and) GPU beasts |
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| 11:26.03 | Shadow_7 | plus a lot of arm things now without any intel/amd/nvidia gpu stuff. |
| 11:26.09 | jiggawattz | Yo - I have a low spec VPS (128 MB of RAM, 10 GB ssd, access to 1 core)..... do you think Debian 8.0 x86 minimal or Debian 8.0 AMD64 would run better on it? I have both of those options |
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| 11:26.16 | jiggawattz | I just want to run one znc bouncer on it.... nothing more |
| 11:27.21 | Shadow_7 | jiggawattz: possible I guess, you might need the 486 kernel for the non-pae attribute. Which isn't the default kernel. |
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| 11:29.16 | jiggawattz | Shadow_7 ⤠I don't think I would need the non-pae attribute though |
| 11:29.44 | jiggawattz | This isn't an old computer.... it's just that I don't have a lot allocated to my vps |
| 11:30.10 | Shadow_7 | so a vm, not an old computer that maxes at 128MB ram |
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| 11:30.18 | jiggawattz | Yeah |
| 11:30.25 | jiggawattz | sorry, I was unclear |
| 11:30.42 | Shadow_7 | it should function. My min debootstrap installs tend towards 40MB ram usage when booted. |
| 11:31.02 | jiggawattz | sweet |
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| 11:32.27 | l3archos | how do I find out which gstreamer package I need to install on my system? "apt-cache search gstreamer" outputs a lot of results |
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| 11:32.42 | l3archos | Shadow_7: I do not know if I am using pulse or alsa or whatever :) |
| 11:32.48 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: --names-only |
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| 11:33.20 | Shadow_7 | ps output should identify if you're using pulseaudio |
| 11:33.43 | Shadow_7 | pgrep pulseaudio |
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| 11:34.18 | l3archos | Shadow_7: "ps aux |grep -i pulse" indeed outputs "/usr/bin/pulseaudio --start" and there is also a "/bin/sh /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11" so I assume I am definitely using PulseAUdio, right ? |
| 11:34.44 | Shadow_7 | seems like... pavucontrol to adjust things in pulse |
| 11:34.50 | l3archos | and which gstreamer should I install for having HTML5/shumwee working with YouTube Videos ? |
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| 11:35.09 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: youtube.com/html5 |
| 11:35.21 | Shadow_7 | is where you set the preference for youtube |
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| 11:35.58 | Shadow_7 | cisco has h264 stuff in the browser, but it's disabled by default. about:plugins |
| 11:35.59 | l3archos | I clicked on the button "Use Standard-Player" |
| 11:36.34 | l3archos | and restarted Iceweasel. But I still have no audio in youtube videos :/ certainly I am missing something |
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| 11:37.08 | Shadow_7 | the h264 videos are the ones that need other stuff. the non-h264 ones should function |
| 11:37.33 | l3archos | when I open "youtube.com/htm5" the top three icons are checked, but there is an explanation mark (!) on the bottom row for "Media Source Extensions", "MSE & H.264" and "MSE & WebM VP9". |
| 11:37.47 | JyZyXEL | i think youtube still defaults to flash based video viewer :D |
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| 11:38.16 | l3archos | as I said earlier. As soon as I install "flashplugin-nonfree" it works. But I uninstalled it again as I don't want to use nonfree software |
| 11:39.23 | Shadow_7 | gstreamer10.0-plugins-good and gstreamer10.0-plugins-ugly are the ones that likely grab all the other bits |
| 11:39.26 | l3archos | by the way: is ALSA or PulseAudio better to use ? |
| 11:39.44 | Shadow_7 | with ugly being h264 and in the non-free part |
| 11:40.10 | l3archos | Shadow_7: I have both installed already |
| 11:40.12 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: depends... a lot of things (skype) require pulse to be used. |
| 11:40.34 | l3archos | Shadow_7: I am asking because I use "mumble" and there I can choose if I want "Pulse" or "ALSA" and I am not sure |
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| 11:40.45 | l3archos | there is also OSS |
| 11:40.47 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: libvpx1 for the webm codec |
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| 11:41.23 | l3archos | Shadow_7: libvpx1 also was installed already on my system |
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| 11:41.50 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: libx264-142 for h.264... and x264 to encode it |
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| 11:42.57 | l3archos | Shadow_7: also installed already |
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| 11:43.26 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: so about:plugins in the browser |
| 11:43.27 | l3archos | exit |
| 11:43.33 | l3archos | ooops, wrong window :) |
| 11:43.39 | l3archos | let me check the about:plugins part ... |
| 11:44.05 | l3archos | which line should I look for ? |
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| 11:45.13 | Shadow_7 | about:config ... media.peerconnection.video.h264_enabled ... plus ... media-gmp-gmpopenh264.enabled ... equals true |
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| 11:46.43 | l3archos | Shadow_7: I do not find such a text when I "search" for on that about:plugins page. But on the top there is a part which says "OpenH264-Videocodec from Cisco Systems, Inc." and the values for the fields are: |
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| 11:47.06 | l3archos | File=<blank>, Path=<blank>, Version=null, Status=disabled |
| 11:47.26 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: in the about:config options menu... search on 264 |
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| 11:47.51 | Shadow_7 | to change disabled to enabled |
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| 11:48.06 | l3archos | ok, well ... media.peerconnection.video.h264_enabled = false |
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| 11:48.28 | Shadow_7 | and the openh264 one |
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| 11:48.58 | l3archos | ok, I doubleclicked on these two lines and now they are enabled, let me restart the browser and check again if youtube audio is played |
| 11:49.20 | l3archos | nope, still no audio :( |
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| 11:50.06 | l3archos | any other clues ? |
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| 11:51.22 | Shadow_7 | I seem to recall a .so lib for flash compat for audio. But tbh I use the adobe one. |
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| 11:52.21 | Shadow_7 | libflashsupport.so it seems |
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| 11:53.07 | Shadow_7 | although circa 2008 and flash v.9 |
| 11:53.10 | l3archos | so I cannot use anything "opensource" for allowing YouTube to play videos with audio support ? I really dont want to use flashplugin-nonfree :( as explained on https://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 11:54.31 | Shadow_7 | it's on my system... apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 11:55.29 | l3archos | when I use Chromium it works fine |
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| 11:55.37 | l3archos | only Iceweasel seems to have problems |
| 11:55.41 | Shadow_7 | really gstreamer + cisco's h264 stuff should "theorectically" work |
| 11:56.01 | Shadow_7 | chromium has pepperflash which is googles variant of adobes flash |
| 11:56.22 | Shadow_7 | h.264 is proprietary so technically non-free |
| 11:56.26 | l3archos | Shadow_7: damn, you're right. I have pepperflashplugin-nonfree installed on my system |
| 11:56.35 | l3archos | let me uninstall it and test again with Chromium... |
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| 11:57.39 | Shadow_7 | it's still early days on ciscos h264 contribution |
| 11:58.24 | l3archos | Shadow_7: I did execute "update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --uninstall && apt-get purge pepperflashplugin-nonfree" and Chromium still plays YouTubeVideos fine |
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| 11:58.49 | l3archos | weird |
| 11:59.02 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: might need a reboot to flush it from ram |
| 11:59.12 | l3archos | ok, brb |
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| 12:01.15 | l3archos | Shadow_7: Chromium still is working and Iceweasel not :( |
| 12:01.56 | Shadow_7 | double check the ps output that pepperflash isn't being used |
| 12:02.29 | l3archos | Shadow_7: "ps aux |grep -i pepper" is empty, no process running. And the package is not listed in dpkg |
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| 12:04.37 | l3archos | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585149 hmmmm |
| 12:04.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/585149 in iceweasel (open, moreinfo): «iceweasel: No sound in videos using the html5 <video> tag»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-06-09; last modified: 2013-08-26. |
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| 12:06.38 | l3archos | but this was something really old (from 2013) |
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| 12:08.23 | l3archos | when I open http://html5test.com/ with Iceweasel, in the section "AUDIO" everything is supported except of "Speech Recognition" and "Speech Sytehis" which I don't care about. So theoretically HTML5 should work |
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| 12:09.36 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: do you have gnash installed? |
| 12:09.47 | l3archos | yes |
| 12:09.50 | l3archos | just checked |
| 12:09.58 | l3archos | "gnash" and "gnash-common" are installed on my system |
| 12:10.02 | l3archos | should I remove them ? |
| 12:10.04 | Shadow_7 | try uninstalling it. probably trying it instead of html5 |
| 12:10.21 | l3archos | ok, let me see |
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| 12:10.46 | Shadow_7 | but I recall that bug and libflashsupport + adobe's flash fixes it |
| 12:10.58 | l3archos | closed Iceweasel, uninstalled gnash, opened Iceweasel, still no audio, damn |
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| 12:11.08 | Shadow_7 | also adobe's flash is required (and now with libhal) for hulu content |
| 12:11.28 | l3archos | but I don't want to use proprietary software on my Debian machine.. |
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| 12:12.18 | Shadow_7 | kind of hard not to, since firmware for your networking card and such is not free |
| 12:12.33 | l3archos | that's another topic though ; |
| 12:12.59 | Shadow_7 | trisquel or some such for the totally free option / stallmans choice... |
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| 12:13.13 | rabbitear | Shadow_7: got the wrong ethernet ports on your hands |
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| 12:13.32 | Shadow_7 | more like wifi ports |
| 12:13.44 | rabbitear | oh |
| 12:14.23 | Shadow_7 | basically if I run bsd, only my usb-storage and usb ethernet works |
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| 12:14.51 | rabbitear | Shadow_7: if you want to get a bunch of people together to get the single correct let me know Shadow_7 |
| 12:14.56 | Shadow_7 | vesa video (1024x768) on the LCD too I guess |
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| 12:15.42 | rabbitear | Shadow_7: you should do a podcast |
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| 12:16.26 | Shadow_7 | I'd probably have to do it with gespeaker, I don't really talk much beyond a keyboard |
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| 12:17.14 | Shadow_7 | I do have a youtube channel and do make linux content. Although more like post it notes for things I want to remember later. |
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| 12:18.26 | rabbitear | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNC4FHR4XLA |
| 12:18.49 | Shadow_7 | I've been meaning to create videos for Xephyr + Xdmx and debootstrap install. But getting lost in the 80x405 character xterm that gives me. |
| 12:18.52 | rabbitear | We don't Shadow_7 |
| 12:19.10 | Shadow_7 | with an 8x8 font on a 1080p display |
| 12:19.21 | rabbitear | whatever |
| 12:19.53 | rabbitear | that is YOUR business Shadow_7 |
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| 12:20.35 | l3archos | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=122040 is that related to my issue ?? |
| 12:21.19 | rabbitear | l3archos: maybe its because you can't not express it in words and have to post a link about other things |
| 12:21.30 | rabbitear | l3archos: nobody reads that crap |
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| 12:24.23 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: that's the one that libflashsupport resolves. But only h.264 encoded videos are affected IMO. |
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| 12:25.31 | Shadow_7 | l3archos: you could always youtube-dl the videos and watch them in mpv / vlc / mplayer / ... |
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| 12:28.26 | hiya | hi |
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| 12:31.29 | cra1g321 | jessie + KDE here, was copying files with dolphin, and all of a sudden i cant access my /home partition, any ideas why and how to fix ? |
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| 12:32.04 | cra1g321 | i can access root partition fine, which is on same drive, btrfs root with seperate xfs /home |
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| 12:33.46 | cra1g321 | meh i'll just reboot |
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| 12:37.11 | cra1g321 | rebooted and all good now, that was interesting :/ |
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| 12:40.01 | Shadow_7 | perhaps xfs_repair might have helped without the reboot |
| 12:40.39 | cra1g321 | in terminal i just got message saying input/output error |
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| 12:41.18 | Shadow_7 | no free space ? |
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| 12:41.54 | cra1g321 | 1TB free |
| 12:42.23 | Shadow_7 | usb storage? |
| 12:42.26 | cra1g321 | and btrfs root is like 50GB in size |
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| 12:42.30 | hexnewbie | cra1g321: Do unmount it, and try running xfs_repair on it. If you're afraid the repair may break something, run it with -n so that it only prints the errors it finds. |
| 12:42.32 | cra1g321 | no internal HDD |
| 12:43.00 | Shadow_7 | weird indeed |
| 12:43.02 | cra1g321 | i was copying from the /home xfs partition to a ntfs partition on another drive |
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| 12:44.02 | Shadow_7 | maybe the i/o error was the ntfs one |
| 12:44.06 | cra1g321 | hexnewbie unmount the partition or drive ? |
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| 12:44.34 | cra1g321 | no but i got messages in dolphin saying it couldnt access any folders in /home |
| 12:44.51 | hexnewbie | cra1g321: You should unmount. The read-only version may run without that, but I wouldn't count on it producing reasonable output. |
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| 12:45.30 | cra1g321 | so unmount the /home partition while logged into debian ? or ... |
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| 12:46.19 | cra1g321 | i've got gparted on a usb pen drive here too |
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| 12:46.52 | cra1g321 | oh wait also the whole lot besides /boot is in a encrypted LVM |
| 12:46.56 | hexnewbie | cra1g321: You can't be logged in as any user that accesses /home, otherwise there's no problem to be logged in |
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| 12:47.05 | Shadow_7 | alternate boot option is likely the simpler / safer option |
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| 12:49.12 | cra1g321 | ok i'll see what a dry-run of xfs shows |
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| 12:54.12 | Lionyx | I was looking for a bash script that emulates something like the network manager GUIs have. |
| 12:54.33 | Lionyx | (wireless network manager) |
| 12:54.34 | SirLagz | Lionyx: why do you want a bash script that emulates network manager GUIs ? |
| 12:54.38 | Shadow_7 | Lionyx: not bash (I think), but curses based.... nmtui |
| 12:55.04 | SirLagz | Lionyx: oh, you want a CLI based network manager? |
| 12:55.19 | Lionyx | SirLagz: that's right sir |
| 12:55.24 | SirLagz | Lionyx: or wicd-cli or wicd-curses |
| 12:55.40 | Shadow_7 | nmtui is the terminal based front end for networkmanager |
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| 12:56.13 | Lionyx | SirLagz: wicd-cli I found a little bit strange. I'd like something like the wicd-GUI but on CLI. |
| 12:56.23 | SirLagz | Lionyx: tried wicd-curses? |
| 12:56.44 | Lionyx | SirLagz: I don't think i saw this one on apt list. |
| 12:57.06 | Lionyx | Shadow_7: does it work with wireless connections? |
| 12:57.28 | Lionyx | Shadow_7: i'm looking it's documentation, it works :D |
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| 12:57.49 | SirLagz | Lionyx: why do you want to use networkmanager from command line anyway? |
| 12:58.01 | Lionyx | now the even newbier question. what's ncurses? |
| 12:58.07 | Shadow_7 | I used it for a wifi connection |
| 12:58.31 | SirLagz | Lionyx: ncurses is just a text based UI library |
| 12:58.50 | Shadow_7 | ncurses is like the old dos stuff with quasi graphics / borders and such |
| 12:59.07 | SirLagz | Lionyx: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ncurses |
| 12:59.13 | Lionyx | SirLagz: i want to set up a no X env. for my laptop when battery runs out and i'm on the run. Wifi connection happend to be a big disaster to me. |
| 12:59.23 | SirLagz | Lionyx: right |
| 12:59.26 | SirLagz | Lionyx: makes sense |
| 12:59.35 | Shadow_7 | wireless is also a big power draw |
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| 13:00.59 | Lionyx | woowww... nmtui is already installed with debian... i'll get some desconections to try it. tks a lot SirLagz Shadow_7 :D |
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| 13:08.53 | ppparadox | I purged apache2 in debian stable but it DID NOT remove /etc/apache2 so i had to remove it manually. Reinstalled it and now there IS NO DEFAULT CONF!!! |
| 13:09.04 | ppparadox | wtf people |
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| 13:09.47 | Shadow_7 | ppparadox: apt-get purge apache2 |
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| 13:09.54 | Shadow_7 | by default configs are kept |
| 13:09.56 | Lionyx | hey you!!!!!!!! |
| 13:10.17 | Lionyx | nmtui-connect is a miracle worker :D tks! |
| 13:10.54 | cra1g321 | so i logged out, did "console login" from KDM screen, logged in as root, did "umount /dev/mapper/system-home" then did xfs_repair -n and it did show for part of it a I/O error and few other things, so ran it for real, then did with -n again and it showed no issues |
| 13:11.01 | Shadow_7 | It is, but I still old school it... wpa_passphrase + wpa_supplicant |
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| 13:12.06 | Lionyx | Shadow_7: but it's so quicky to do things... config files not needed. |
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| 13:12.45 | Lionyx | Now i'm setting tmux with a minimum info of date, time, battery load... |
| 13:13.24 | Shadow_7 | still nice to stay current on the old in case the new isn't installed yet |
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| 13:14.04 | ppparadox | Shadow_7: read my message again |
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| 13:14.49 | Shadow_7 | ppparadox: so it left the directory? or directory and files under it? |
| 13:15.23 | Shadow_7 | ppparadox: if there's customizations (files that don't match what the packaging system installed) it plays it safe. |
| 13:15.36 | ppparadox | Everything was still there |
| 13:15.37 | Lionyx | Is it a impression I have, or the ip command is some sort of guided links to ifconfig and iwconfig ? |
| 13:15.45 | ppparadox | so i removed it manually |
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| 13:16.09 | ppparadox | i agree that playing it safe is the best thing to do BUT reinstalling did NOT re-create them |
| 13:16.29 | Shadow_7 | ppparadox: via ... apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 13:17.16 | ppparadox | Shadow_7: alredy tried that, in fact i solved it right now because i had to reinstall the -common part |
| 13:17.38 | Shadow_7 | apt-file can help you location the package(s) with the missing bits |
| 13:17.41 | ppparadox | so --reinstall is not applying to dependencies of apache2 too, that's confusing AF |
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| 13:18.03 | Shadow_7 | locate* the... |
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| 13:23.12 | monod | hello there! If I skip the bootloader installation during Debian 8 install, can I then manually configure it with update-grub? |
| 13:23.50 | monod | (I have a complex hard drives system) |
| 13:24.02 | teraflops | monod: yes. |
| 13:24.17 | monod | I ask because the Debian installation screwed my grub screen while ubuntu's fix it back again |
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| 13:24.49 | monod | the only difference I was able to spot is that Debian relies upon grub legacy, while Ubuntu on grub2 |
| 13:24.53 | monod | might that be the cause? |
| 13:25.03 | monod | thank you teraflops |
| 13:25.08 | somiaj | jessie has grub2 |
| 13:25.56 | monod | somiaj, Hmm |
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| 13:26.09 | monod | somiaj, then I don't know why that happened honestly |
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| 13:26.29 | monod | I had to install Ubuntu again after Debian to see the grub screencome back again, fixed |
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| 13:27.24 | Lionyx | Another question! noob on the way :D ... i'm on tty0, inside tmux. Is there anyhow to enable mouse suport? Is there any such a thing? |
| 13:27.42 | jaggzt | I just added i386 so I could install pipeline-multi .. but that wants wine-staging which wants wine-staging-i386 (which is a virtual package for :i386) and .. why isn't libasound2-plugins:i386 going to be installed? |
| 13:27.53 | somiaj | monod: but you are welcome to skip the automatic grub installer and do it manually if that helps. |
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| 13:28.26 | somiaj | Lionyx: are you talking about gpm (mouse support for a console?) |
| 13:28.32 | umaru-chan | debians pretty good as an everyday distro not just a pretty neat server, right folks? |
| 13:28.40 | monod | somiaj, yes, I think it might help for the next couple of linuxes I want to install if I just skip the bootloader installer and fix it up later on Ubuntu |
| 13:28.50 | monod | umaru-chan, yes it is! |
| 13:28.55 | umaru-chan | alright |
| 13:29.05 | umaru-chan | just making sure because i don't want to be one of those who use arch |
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| 13:29.23 | somiaj | jaggzt: where are you getting this pipeline-multi package? I don't see it in debian. |
| 13:29.24 | Lionyx | somiaj: am I? :) i guess so. I need to enable it? Install some service? |
| 13:29.55 | somiaj | Lionyx: it is just a package. |
| 13:30.01 | monod | umaru-chan, install arch or debian on a virtual machine if you want to try first :) |
| 13:30.10 | somiaj | Lionyx: again I think you are talking about mouse support in a standard tty console (not xorg). |
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| 13:31.00 | Lionyx | somiaj: thats right! |
| 13:31.03 | umaru-chan | i'm pretty leaned on debian since knowing it helps me help people that use ubuntu/mint/xubuntu etc |
| 13:31.21 | umaru-chan | i just ditched fedora so i'll see how different it is |
| 13:31.23 | umaru-chan | :) |
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| 13:31.39 | somiaj | Lionyx: gpm should be what you want then. |
| 13:31.46 | monod | umaru-chan, quite much, as you may already know Fedora derives from Red Hat |
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| 13:31.59 | umaru-chan | not only that |
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| 13:32.02 | umaru-chan | but opensuse as well |
| 13:32.16 | umaru-chan | but i was quite dissapointed with leap and tumble tbh |
| 13:33.04 | monod | umaru-chan, PMed |
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| 13:35.31 | Lionyx | somiaj: tks! gonna install it :D |
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| 13:36.52 | Lionyx | somiaj: already did it! works like a charm. |
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| 13:42.18 | speckmade | is there a recommended way to use Firefox Hello (WebRTC) in Debian? any pointers? |
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| 13:43.21 | somiaj | speckmade: is this just a firefox plugin? Does it work with iceweasel (the firefox esr release) or does it require firefox release newer than the esr release? |
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| 13:46.22 | CQ | hello, I grabbed the ISO for Jessie, DD'Ed it, and it won't boot... the computer reboots right as it gets to the first graphical screen. This is the amd64 image, md5sum is correct, tried severa, USB sticks with the same result. I've removed all HDDs, same result, and the original HDD boots fine... any ideasw? |
| 13:46.57 | dvs | CQ: What command are you using for dd? |
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| 13:47.17 | CQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.36 | CQ | it should be sdb and not sdb1, right? |
| 13:47.37 | Svetlana | sdb or sdb1 is needed? |
| 13:47.40 | dvs | looks right |
| 13:47.59 | CQ | I googled it and sdb should be correct since it's a whole device image with the partition on it. |
| 13:48.20 | CQ | OK, this is under windows with cygwin DD... maybe I'll try with an ISO writer instead |
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| 13:48.58 | dvs | CQ: Or try the cp route |
| 13:49.06 | CQ | cp? |
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| 13:49.50 | dvs | CQ: cp debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb; sync |
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| 13:51.34 | CQ | trying... |
| 13:52.30 | speckmade | somiaj: It's no plugin, it's built right into the core. It's said to be in Firefox since v22. Now it's still not there in v38ESR. |
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| 13:56.12 | CQ | weird, cp seems to work |
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| 14:01.23 | Svetlana | the cp way to do it is oddly engaging |
| 14:01.53 | CQ | nope, same problem actually |
| 14:02.00 | CQ | just seemed to work once |
| 14:02.03 | CQ | yuck. |
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| 14:02.35 | CQ | maybe I'll have to boot another linux machine and dd from there... donÃt trust windows / cygwin here |
| 14:02.44 | dvs | once? That's all that's needed to get it on the USB drive. |
| 14:03.29 | dvs | oh? It's not linux that the command is running on? |
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| 14:10.54 | Lionyx | exit |
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| 14:22.19 | LeoTal | Good morning. I'm trying to create a UFW rule that allows and logs incoming 22/ssh from 192.168.1.0/24, but I can't get the syntax right. Can I get examples of rules about this complex? |
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| 14:28.44 | demian | hi channel! |
| 14:29.19 | demian | is there a guide or reference to install debian on btrfs subvolumes? |
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| 14:30.25 | LeoTal | Oooh, that was because it doesn't know about ssh. If I just say "22" it works: "ufw allow log from 192.168.1.0/24 to any port 22" |
| 14:30.50 | CQ | dvs [14:48]CQOK, this is under windows with cygwin DD... maybe I'll try with an ISO writer instead |
| 14:31.32 | sipi | Hey I have Debian x32 installed in VM VirtualBox, whenever I try to execute anything I get '/usr/bin/apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file. Can anyone please help me? |
| 14:33.19 | jelly | sipi: x32 is very, very experimental. |
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| 14:34.10 | jelly | sipi: just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say on your system> |
| 14:34.40 | sipi | jelly: it says i386 |
| 14:35.05 | sipi | Am I missing something? |
| 14:35.15 | jelly | sipi: Ah, that's not x32. That's just regular 32bit debian. |
| 14:35.31 | sipi | Damn, sorry. |
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| 14:36.22 | sipi | I do not know what happened, I was successful to install pico, nano editors few weeks ago, since then I wasn't using the VB. |
| 14:36.32 | sipi | Now I am unable to use any executable. |
| 14:36.44 | jelly | sipi: does "cat /proc/mounts" work? |
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| 14:37.56 | sipi | jelly: yes I can execute that. |
| 14:39.38 | jelly | show that output, please. |
| 14:39.42 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:39.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:43.34 | dvs | !tell CQ about win32diskimager |
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| 14:45.52 | domble | Hello |
| 14:46.04 | domble | I need help to install qucs on debian stable. |
| 14:46.15 | sipi | jelly: I am sorry I am unable to copy paste, I sent images: http://imgur.com/a/WxHHr |
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| 14:46.56 | domble | someone to help me ? (and please, excuse my english :p) |
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| 14:51.34 | sipi | jelly: do you happen to know whats wrong, please? |
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| 14:53.29 | jelly | sipi: well, that looks fine. does "file /usr/bin/apt-get" work? |
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| 14:54.25 | chomwitt | in my small wheezy-vps df will say my 10GB disk is 95% full but as root 'du -h --max-depth=1' gives me 3.2 GB . what do i miss? |
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| 14:55.29 | CQ | dvs no luck with a linux dd, last try is a linux cp. |
| 14:55.41 | sipi | jelly: Yes, it outputs ELF 32bit LSB shared object, INTEL 80386 verion 1, dynamically linked interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 with build ID |
| 14:55.49 | dvs | !win32diskimager |
| 14:55.49 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 14:57.14 | CQ | dvs: that's why I avoided unetbootin to start with... I've tried cygwin dd and cp, rufus, linux dd and cp. It's something with thei image vs. my Mobo I think |
| 14:58.02 | CQ | cpu is definitely 64 bit (intel q9550)... any other ideas on what to try? Try a minimal install instead of a netinst image maybe? |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | CQ: which image are you using? |
| 14:59.22 | abrotman | ah, I see |
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| 14:59.41 | CQ | 8.2.0 jessie netinst image... md5sum matches |
| 15:00.03 | CQ | but it gets to the interface, then hangs / reboots |
| 15:00.09 | abrotman | I meant amd64 or someting else |
| 15:00.19 | abrotman | CQ: Look for a bios update for your mobo |
| 15:00.19 | CQ | amd64 |
| 15:00.34 | speckmade | somiaj: I guess this is the answer: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 15:02.25 | dvs | CQ: I have a Q9600S and it worked fine for me. |
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| 15:04.17 | IdleGandalf | CQ, you could try debootstrap from a livecd if nothing else helps |
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| 15:05.18 | abrotman | would try the bios update first |
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| 15:06.00 | CQ | msi g45m motherboard, it wants windows to be able to run the live update 5 utility... |
| 15:06.12 | CQ | any suggestions for how to work around that? |
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| 15:06.37 | Lionyx | How do I switch to regular multiuser mode without X ? init something? |
| 15:06.56 | abrotman | Lionyx: Debian doesn't work that way |
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| 15:07.06 | abrotman | Lionyx: just shutdown X if you don't want it |
| 15:07.09 | Lionyx | i was afraid of that... systemd right? |
| 15:07.12 | Amarande | Welp, that's irritating, or at least it will be if I ever get a laptop and move this Debian SSD to it :( |
| 15:07.14 | abrotman | CQ: maybe disable network hardware in BIOS? |
| 15:07.15 | CQ | see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc3NzI |
| 15:07.21 | abrotman | Lionyx: has nothing to do with systemd |
| 15:07.29 | abrotman | not even close |
| 15:07.36 | Amarande | Apparently, hibernation on jessie only seems to want to work right if you manually type systemctl hibernate from a root terminal |
| 15:07.59 | Lionyx | abrotman: nope? How do I shutdown X? kill it? |
| 15:08.05 | abrotman | Lionyx: how did you start it? |
| 15:08.11 | Amarande | Otherwise, say running systemctl hibernate as a user, or clicking hibernate in KDE (which I presume does the same thing) it saves the hibernate image to the swap partition correctly (i.e., if you then manually power off and on, it reloads properly), but does not actually power down |
| 15:08.21 | abrotman | Lionyx: and is this a one time thing, or ever time the system boots? |
| 15:08.21 | Lionyx | abrotman: i'm using kdm to lauch X |
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| 15:08.32 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure what's bugged up here. |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | Lionyx: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 15:08.39 | Lionyx | abrotman: one time thing. |
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| 15:08.46 | Amarande | It seems to be a permissions issue, but not entirely sure how to go about properly fixing it. |
| 15:09.09 | Lionyx | ok abrotman, i'll try it! tks =D |
| 15:09.28 | Amarande | Built the 4.3.0 kernel from kernel.org, same behaviour. |
| 15:09.42 | IdleGandalf | CQ, here is a good overview of what is available: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Flashing_BIOS_from_Linux |
| 15:11.04 | sipi | jelly: you got any idea, please? |
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| 15:11.11 | dvs | CQ: You don't have a BIOS updater in the BIOS itself? |
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| 15:12.06 | markybob | dvs, i don't on my laptop. not that unusual :P |
| 15:12.11 | IdleGandalf | dvs, most "older" bios don't have that option. But if its there I would recommend using it. |
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| 15:13.13 | Lionyx | so i'm on tty. how do i know the colormode i'm in? |
| 15:13.14 | CQ | dvs this is a ~2006 mobo |
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| 15:14.28 | CQ | IdleGandalf: problem is, I don't even know how to download the new BIOS. MSI has a utility that does everything automagically |
| 15:15.00 | CQ | else I can try to DD an old win XP install off a machine that I don't use anymore and try to boot from that |
| 15:15.24 | Amarande | CQ: check your motherboard manufacturer's site |
| 15:15.41 | Amarande | it's generally around the place where you can check things like specs and what CPUs are supported |
| 15:15.46 | CQ | Amarande: http://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/G45M.html feel free to help... |
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| 15:16.13 | Amarande | CQ: look under "service" |
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| 15:16.30 | Amarande | the BIOS downloads are the first thing that comes up |
| 15:16.45 | CQ | I'm there... problem is that the bios claims to be v2.61 from AMI, and the version there is 1.6 ... |
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| 15:18.14 | CQ | unless one is the MSI package version and the other the real BISO version# |
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| 15:19.16 | IdleGandalf | CQ, you could try wine and maybe you get it to save the image somewhere. But honestly its unlikely to work. Also, a win vm would be possible. all under the premise that it allows you to save the image or at least saves it somewhere in a temp folder |
| 15:19.29 | markybob | no! |
| 15:19.36 | markybob | don't try wine for bios upgrade |
| 15:19.42 | CQ | VM? no... I'd put XP on a real disk |
| 15:19.44 | IdleGandalf | no |
| 15:19.44 | IdleGandalf | dont upgarde in it |
| 15:20.01 | IdleGandalf | I was talking about getting the image |
| 15:20.04 | IdleGandalf | dont panic |
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| 15:20.29 | IdleGandalf | read before you post |
| 15:20.30 | IdleGandalf | pls |
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| 15:21.57 | markybob | i've been reading and given input this whole time. keep your snide comments |
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| 15:22.26 | MarcL | I am not sotisfied at all about the screen quality of Jessie, it has nothing to do with Windows and Linux Mint is way better than Jessie about resolution, I guess is something related with video plugins so I would like to install the proprietary plugin for this laptop, I have a toshiba laptop with an integratet video board of Intel. Some advices? thanks! |
| 15:22.30 | IdleGandalf | markybob, if you had read, you would know I was talking about getting the image, not upgrading in it |
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| 15:24.36 | CQ | are there other jessie images with more drivers, less complexity etc. that are worth trying? |
| 15:24.52 | abrotman | CQ: you can try expert omde |
| 15:24.53 | abrotman | mode |
| 15:25.40 | CQ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.23 | Amarande | Glaaaaaaaahhhhh what has debian done to my KDE :( |
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| 15:27.02 | Lionyx | what what? |
| 15:27.43 | Amarande | let's see, first of all I can't hibernate from it (apparently only typing "systemctl hibernate" manually as root seems to work, haven't tried DEs other than KDE yet, though "systemctl hibernate" as a user doesn't work right either) |
| 15:27.49 | abrotman | CQ: use expert text mode |
| 15:27.50 | Amarande | or rather, I can hibernate but it won't shut off |
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| 15:28.03 | CQ | abrotman: is that a different image? |
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| 15:28.17 | CQ | I have no chance to select or do anything before it reboots |
| 15:28.28 | Amarande | welp, then I went to disable kwallet (because chromium will endlessly bug you to set it up if you don't, and I've never used it ... chromium is pretty adept at managing passwords itself :) |
| 15:28.59 | Amarande | kwalletmanager hangs when I try to exit it after doing so, and then kwin-killer-helper actually hangs the whole session |
| 15:29.09 | dvs | CQ: If the base OS that you're using to make the image is Windows, then my answer is still win32diskimage |
| 15:29.11 | dvs | r |
| 15:29.15 | Amarande | had to open a console root terminal and killall -u amarande to get out of the session |
| 15:29.39 | abrotman | CQ: when the installer initially boots, do you get a menu? |
| 15:29.40 | Amarande | it's starting to feel like KDE on jessie isn't really right in the head :( |
| 15:30.47 | Amarande | or maybe I should ... *sniff* try the U-word |
| 15:30.50 | CQ | abrotman: nope |
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| 15:31.29 | CQ | Amarande: Upgrade? ; ) |
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| 15:32.39 | Amarande | CQ: no, the one that starts with U and also ends with U and would be practically an admission of defeat to switch from Debian to :) |
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| 15:38.17 | Lionyx | Well... Amarande... i'm a user of kde plasma on Jessie (the original build and install, not the non stable version) and it works so so soooo very well. I can't complain. I'd recommend trying to find the causes of those problems :) |
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| 15:40.14 | cra1g321 | kde on jessie here too, using normal jessie packages, works great |
| 15:41.14 | Lionyx | Really. I've got pissed of Gnome Shell lack to "easily customize" stuff, and switched back to ol'KDE! (not used it since 2003). I'm so happy! Thats a hell of a Sturdy, Solidy and bad ass X Desktop Manager. |
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| 15:43.00 | Lionyx | Seems like you're having some trouble with the acpi firmware or something. If you login on xfce or other X desk the problem disappiears? |
| 15:43.34 | Amarande | haven't tried other DEs |
| 15:43.47 | Amarande | like I said, if I type systemctl hibernate in a terminal window as root, it works as expected |
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| 15:44.04 | Amarande | it seems to be a permissions issue of some sort but not exactly sure what |
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| 15:44.47 | rastapopoulis | hi guys |
| 15:45.11 | Lionyx | About the kwallet problem. Can't help. Never happened to me. |
| 15:45.13 | Amarande | probably not such an issue for the moment, but someday I may put this SSD into a laptop (or simply not want to have space heater goodness all the time, since this is an overclocked AMD) and want to hibernate more often |
| 15:45.24 | Amarande | (and I really hate leaving things hanging when it comes to getting stuff set up :S) |
| 15:45.29 | rastapopoulis | how do I install thunderbird . I read that it has dependencies like gtk etc ? |
| 15:45.45 | abrotman | rastapopoulis: install icedove |
| 15:45.55 | Amarande | it looks like it's more an issue with kwin-killer-helper, if the program it's trying to shutdown won't shutdown properly, it freezes and the whole KDE session freezes too |
| 15:45.55 | abrotman | CQ: I'd still try to get hte BIOS updated if there is one |
| 15:46.29 | Amarande | and when I tried to kill kwin-killer-helper from a root console terminal, the whole KDE session went black except for the cursor and I had to killall -u amarande to force logout the session |
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| 15:46.53 | rastapopoulis | thanks abrotman |
| 15:46.56 | Amarande | that escalated pretty quickly, to use the meme |
| 15:47.49 | Amarande | wow it's been forever since I've even had an email account that I could use thunderbird with (don't think you can with gmail) |
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| 15:47.54 | abrotman | you can |
| 15:48.14 | Amarande | ah, maybe I can get around to using that at some point to forcibly separate some of these "conversations" |
| 15:48.37 | Lionyx | yeah you can imap it easily. I use gmail with mutt :D |
| 15:48.51 | Amarande | never order things from newegg twice in a day when your email is gmail unless you don't want to be able to fully separate the receipts |
| 15:49.02 | Amarande | otherwise, it crams them together into a convo and you can never fully separate the messages :| |
| 15:49.27 | Amarande | at least not through the web interface, apparently you can do it with imap hence me wondering :) |
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| 15:50.04 | Amarande | really not sure why gmail doesn't have the option natively, it's one of those minor little things that bug me |
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| 15:50.22 | Amarande | perhaps partially *because* they are minor little things, like the sort of thing that could pretty easily be assigned to a junior programmer as a quick thing to do before coffee |
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| 15:50.32 | Amarande | (wait, no, that's bad ... you should never have any programmer do anything before coffee) |
| 15:51.41 | Amarande | "/lib/caffeine.so not loaded" is probably the #1 cause of bugs after all :) |
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| 15:53.03 | dvs | throws away his espresso.so |
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| 16:00.05 | Lionyx | how do I save a tmux session to use it latter? I mean, like when you close your desktop manager saving the last state and get windows and software restored automatically? |
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| 16:03.57 | Lionyx | I've been reading only about scripts to automatize the starting of it. But no "restore" stuff. |
| 16:03.57 | bytemonkey | Lionyx: only documentation I've found...hope it helps. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq7.html#tmux |
| 16:04.08 | Lionyx | tks bytemonkey i'll take a look |
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| 16:04.27 | bytemonkey | Mind you, it's an openBSD faq but tmux is pretty much the same. |
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| 16:26.01 | makoto | hey - anyone here running stretch on a thinkpad and using 3rd button scrolling? |
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| 16:29.57 | r0xtedy | hello |
| 16:30.14 | r0xtedy | is there any faster thing to copy debian instal image to usb than dd? |
| 16:30.24 | r0xtedy | dd takes fooooreeeeverr to my 16gb usb stick |
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| 16:30.58 | makoto | walking to the shops to buy a faster usb stick? :p |
| 16:31.14 | somiaj | r0xtedy: what do you mean by copy a debian install image? Like the .iso you download? cp might be slightly faster. |
| 16:31.20 | makoto | in all seriousness which image are you burning - i burnt the netinstall image to my usb stick the other day and it was pretty fast |
| 16:31.23 | r0xtedy | yea |
| 16:31.24 | jelly | r0xtedy: use cp, as the install guide suggests https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 16:32.19 | r0xtedy | thanx |
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| 16:33.41 | somiaj | note if you download the dvd image, this can take a bit of time to copy over usb2 bus and if you happen to only be copying over a usb1 bus, it just takes a long time. |
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| 16:41.42 | Furai | I need a good hex editor. Any ideas? |
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| 16:43.33 | Shadow_7 | Furai: hexedit |
| 16:43.58 | derstrom | Furai: hexedit, ghex |
| 16:44.15 | Shadow_7 | hexdump if you just want to "look" |
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| 16:44.59 | Furai | Ok, thx. |
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| 16:47.53 | makoto | stretch seems to be missing things that are in sid - is this for a reason? |
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| 16:48.02 | makoto | i'm not too familiar with the release model |
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| 16:48.22 | jelly | makoto: this is normal |
| 16:48.40 | somiaj | makoto: things can only flow from sid into testing under certain conditions. |
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| 16:49.04 | makoto | ok, i did wonder if that was the case |
| 16:49.13 | jelly | makoto: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
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| 16:52.41 | makoto | hmmmm |
| 16:52.42 | bytemonkey | !release |
| 16:52.42 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" was released on 2015-04-25. It is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, or <wheezy->jessie> to upgrade from Debian 7 "Wheezy". See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. For updates from the Debian Release Team, see http://release.debian.org/ |
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| 16:52.57 | bytemonkey | !arm7 |
| 16:53.06 | bytemonkey | hm |
| 16:53.12 | SynrGy | !msg the bot |
| 16:53.12 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 16:53.42 | bytemonkey | i kno i kno..sry sry. |
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| 16:53.51 | SynrGy | k, thanks |
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| 16:54.04 | Shadow_7 | bytemonkey: armv7 anyway. plus #debian-arm on OFTC |
| 16:54.07 | makoto | is it able to go from stretch down to jessie? or should i just reinstall? |
| 16:54.14 | at0m | !downgrades |
| 16:54.15 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:54.27 | makoto | thought as much |
| 16:54.38 | bytemonkey | Shadow_7 thanks, I don't need the channel, I need documentation. But I'll check it out. |
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| 16:55.52 | Shadow_7 | bytemonkey: llvm and qemu might be interesting looks |
| 16:56.13 | bytemonkey | Shadow_7 ok. ty. |
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| 17:01.38 | rastapopoulis | how do i install truecrypt ? |
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| 17:04.20 | towo` | rastapopoulis, since it isn't eveloped anymor, you shouldn't use it |
| 17:04.45 | rastapopoulis | how would i decrypt a file which was encrypted using truecrypt ? |
| 17:05.00 | rastapopoulis | any debian alternative ? |
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| 17:05.50 | bytemonkey | I think this is what I was looking for: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armhf/release-notes/index.en.html |
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| 17:14.05 | tx1000 | Using CD1 i installed jessie on a HP Pavillion TX1000 laptop. When the installation fisnished the laptop was working OK in console mode. I installed xorg and mate and upon rebooting my screen become went black and the whitish grey. the only way i could get working was by inserting nomodeset at boot time. However X performance is sluggish. What can i do to solve the issue? |
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| 17:14.54 | somiaj | tx1000: What video card do you have? |
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| 17:15.43 | somiaj | tx1000: when you boot up into the black screen it could just be xorg not detecting your hardware correctly. If you hit ctrl-alt-f2 do you get a console so we can debug what is going on. You acn also disable the display manager so it won't boot into xorg automatically as you debug what video drivers you need to use. |
| 17:17.04 | bytemonkey | for sure..tty console helped me alot in troubleshooting and configuring |
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| 17:18.50 | Jsync | Hey, I am using FireStarter Firewall & it's showing a particular process which is not actually an active process within the system Monitor |
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| 17:19.15 | tx1000 | somiaj, GeForce Go 6150 (rev a2) |
| 17:19.48 | Jsync | I have actually referenced all the active processes & it's not actually an active process either, though FireStarter still shows the particular Process |
| 17:20.45 | Jsync | I really favor FireStarter. It's a good program. I am aware FireStarter needs programming corrections, though it's still functional & a good program. |
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| 17:21.53 | somiaj | tx1000: That is an older card that is probabaly best supported by nouveau. Could you get a copy of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log from a try when botting without nomodset resulted in xorg giving a black screen? |
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| 17:23.58 | tx1000 | somiaj, if i boot without nomodeset the screen goes black and the whitish grey and locking up the laptop |
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| 17:24.30 | somiaj | tx1000: you sure it is locked up? ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't give you a console? |
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| 17:24.36 | Jsync | Part of what makes Linux a good system actually is that people are devoted to making things stable & functional. I typically hear of guys named "Marcy" or "Joan" that I should use a totally different program. There are sociological problems going on as well, so I can emphasize my point. |
| 17:25.17 | somiaj | tx1000: well there should be a backup file, Xorg.0.log.old, if that is from a time that it wasn't working it would be nice to see what it is saying. |
| 17:25.27 | Jsync | Myself & Stux love Linux. ;) |
| 17:26.30 | somiaj | Jsync: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:27.30 | Jsync | 'Îη Jaimos, I am using 3.4.2. How're you, bloke. :) |
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| 17:28.27 | somiaj | Jsync: firestarter was aboandoned upstream and was removed from debian as of jessie. I would suggest looking for alternative tool, but you are free to use what you want, you just won't get much support here. |
| 17:28.50 | somiaj | Jsync: 3.4.2 is neither a debian version or a debian kernel. |
| 17:29.10 | tx1000 | somiaj, i will boot up without entering nomodeset and do ctrl-alt-f2 to get a console, ok? |
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| 17:30.25 | somiaj | tx1000: That should work, if it is actually crashing your system it may be more than a video driver issue. If that doesn't work, just reboot with nomodset and get me the info from the Xorg.0.log.old file |
| 17:30.47 | tx1000 | somiaj, will i have to check bios settings too? |
| 17:30.54 | bytemonkey | I'm reading Firestarter...but I was thinking Firebug starter. |
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| 17:31.04 | nickle | I'm using a Debian 7 "live cd" usb drive with persistence for firmware development. I am wondering if there's a way to boot to command line without entering single user mode and also without installing any packages. Way back, I might have tried doing this using runlevels (perhaps starting single user mode and then moving up to say runlevel 3) - not sure if |
| 17:31.04 | nickle | this works with Debian. |
| 17:31.05 | Jsync | Right, actually 3.2.04 |
| 17:31.33 | nickle | s/installing any packages/uninstalling any packages |
| 17:32.06 | somiaj | tx1000: I don't think so. xorg tries to automatically detect hardware/drivers. Something is causing it to detect things incorrectly if you dont' use nomodset, I just want to see what that is before I have much of a suggestion what the problem is. |
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| 17:32.17 | Jsync | Who "'abandoned'" Firestarter? |
| 17:32.39 | somiaj | Jsync: upstream. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709566 |
| 17:32.40 | tx1000 | somiaj, ok. will reboot in a couple of min |
| 17:32.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/709566 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: firestarter -- ROM; abandoned upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-05-24; last modified: 2013-07-06. |
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| 17:33.16 | somiaj | Jsync: debian matained it for a few releases, but without any development upstream debian dropped it too. There is the full bugreport. |
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| 17:34.29 | filadome | is there an easy way to make the three DVD iso files bootable on an external SSD? |
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| 17:34.41 | Jsync | Does anybody have details appertaining why Linux requires a different Kernel to use "Nvidia" drivers when the "NVIDIA" corporation actually went out of its' way to support Linux users? That seems really anti-anti-proprietary |
| 17:35.16 | SynrG | Jsync: is there a conspiracy by debian to not support you? no |
| 17:35.28 | SynrG | do you have an actual support question? |
| 17:35.36 | Tom01 | How can I make the Window-Scrollbars scroll one Page? |
| 17:35.41 | Tom01 | Gnome |
| 17:35.48 | Jsync | Well, yeah, I think "community issues" appertain "support". ;) |
| 17:36.10 | SynrG | Jsync: then we need details about what you hope we can help you accomplish today |
| 17:36.16 | nickle | Anyone know how to boot without gui, but at a runlevel higher than single user? :\ |
| 17:36.18 | SynrG | Jsync: so far, i've heard nothing but kvetching |
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| 17:37.20 | bytemonkey | nickle, you mean like in recovery mode? |
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| 17:38.18 | nickle | no - i mean, with full networking and all services running, but not starting the gui. This used to be runlevel 3 in other distributions. |
| 17:38.22 | Jsync | :O Actually, I think it's a huge community issue that when a hardware development company supports Linux users that the developers do not actually go "anti-proprietary" with attempt to make "opensource" a contextually locked system with reference lack of support for the hardware it suggests to support with "blackware" drivers. |
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| 17:38.38 | Jsync | Those driver replacements do not even actually work yet |
| 17:38.42 | SynrG | so the answer is no |
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| 17:38.59 | Jsync | & it's not context a sociological issue, because it's "NVIDIA", not "MarcyVidea" |
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| 17:39.32 | somiaj | Jsync: this is not the place to discuss such things. You should stick to questions about debian support. Else, well... |
| 17:39.54 | bytemonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.04 | SynrG | or /dev/null, frankly |
| 17:40.09 | bytemonkey | ah |
| 17:40.25 | Shadow_7 | nickle: debian does X from run level 2. But there's configurations to boot to a CLI. Not having a display manager is one way. |
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| 17:41.32 | nickle | Shadow_7: that is exactly what I need. I want all services running, networking and everything - just no GUI. The reason being - I am working on firmware and sometimes it's too broken to load the GUI (bad IRQ routing / and ACPI implementation that's work in process for example) |
| 17:41.34 | somiaj | nickle: runlevels are all the same by default in debian (you have to change them), and if you are running systemd, I think they are a new thing. |
| 17:41.34 | jelly | !nodm |
| 17:41.34 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 17:41.50 | nickle | somiaj: it is systemd |
| 17:41.53 | somiaj | nickle: on debian the best way to disable the display manager is as that factoid said, modify /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 17:42.25 | Twirl | Hello, i tried gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount-open false but it didnt change anything, do i need to relog or somethin? |
| 17:42.36 | somiaj | nickle: I'm unsure how systemd deals with runlevels. But debian's default was to treat them all multiuser the same, and left it to the admins to configure them to be different if wanted. |
| 17:42.50 | filadome | is it possible to put all the ISO data onto one external USB drive (SSD) |
| 17:43.04 | filadome | (all three dvds) |
| 17:43.09 | nickle | Okay, thanks guys. I guess I will try to disable it. I was hoping it could be done easily as a "one off" kind of way without uninstalling or configuring anything. Because, I will need to toggle it frequently. |
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| 17:43.55 | bytemonkey | fileadome: as long as the drive supports the filesystems used and has space available..i dont see why not. |
| 17:43.55 | somiaj | filadome: if you want it to be bootable you will have to be careful what you do. I assume you want an installer and have the isntaller have access to all three dvds? |
| 17:43.59 | nickle | like, the ideal solution I was hoping for was like runlevel 2 or something though grub. but, i do appreciate your help and I will have to use one of the options you've provided. |
| 17:44.07 | filadome | somiaj, yes that's right |
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| 17:44.39 | somiaj | filadome: I can't think of an easy way to do that. Any reason why dvd1 is not enough to be available during boot? |
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| 17:45.02 | filadome | somiaj, well i have a fast SSD drive 256GB that supports USB 3.0 |
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| 17:45.19 | filadome | i was thinking of just putting the full installation onto that and booting the installer |
| 17:45.23 | somiaj | filadome: I mean the install? I could see putting the first dvd on the drive in the normal way. You can then partition the rest of the disk into a partition and copy the .iso or files to a new partiion made at the end of the drive |
| 17:45.46 | somiaj | filadome: I think you will be limited to only dvd1 during the install, but once you have an install you could gain access to the other dvds. |
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| 17:46.13 | somiaj | filadome: note I'm unsure if there is a better method to get an install image bigger than the dvds |
| 17:47.01 | filadome | somiaj, i saw one for bluray using jigdo but it's not clear how to download the images |
| 17:48.05 | makoto | hmm, irritating, it seems gpointing-device-settings isn't in anything recent |
| 17:48.11 | makoto | but i can get it in sid |
| 17:48.16 | Lionyx | nickle: i guess there's an option on systemctl to do what you were telling us (if I got it right) |
| 17:48.40 | makoto | i feel somewhat uneasy about needing to upgrade to sid to get my mouse to work - anyone have any better ideas |
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| 17:48.58 | Shadow_7 | makoto: kernel-package + custom kernel |
| 17:49.22 | somiaj | filadome: https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo -- seems to be fairly straight forward if you are on debian to use. Maybe do that from a live image. |
| 17:49.37 | nickle | Lionyx: I am going to try "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" - which seems easy enough. I just don't want to install/uninstall packages to do the toggling from CLI to GUI, since I will often use GUI when I boot with acpi=off... And then I boot CLI when testing the ACPI implementation when GUI may fail to load. |
| 17:49.37 | Shadow_7 | I have a similar issue where I need a 3.19+ kernel for clickpad |
| 17:49.40 | makoto | hmm, equally as uneasy about writing a kernel package |
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| 17:49.51 | somiaj | filadome: I personally don't use jigdo, but maybe the blueray image ist he best bet for what you are wanting. |
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| 17:50.29 | Shadow_7 | makoto: not that difficult... cp /boot/config .config and such |
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| 17:50.49 | nickle | Lionyx: when you boot with a broken ACPI implementation, where the interrupt routing or some other resources are off, the GUI may fail to load, with just a blinking cursor or black screen, this is why. :) |
| 17:50.55 | Shadow_7 | make oldconfig and make-kpkg |
| 17:51.01 | makoto | i'm not really sure it's a kernel thing in my case |
| 17:51.17 | Shadow_7 | is it older hardware? |
| 17:51.18 | makoto | gpointing-device-settings will allegedly show mouse options |
| 17:51.24 | filadome | somiaj, ok jigdo is working and downloading/writing an image |
| 17:51.28 | makoto | it's a lenovo x220 from 2011, not horribly old |
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| 17:52.27 | Lionyx | nickle: you want debian to default boot into "Text Mode"? I think this works: systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
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| 17:52.52 | nickle | thanks Lionyx. Can I pass that in via Grub? |
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| 17:53.41 | filadome | do debian take full advantage of Samsung SSD drives? |
| 17:53.45 | DarsVaeda | hi, I threw my pubkey into authorized_keys of a debian server, still get the password request on login |
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| 17:53.53 | DarsVaeda | do I have to allow it? |
| 17:54.03 | ExLibRiS | Heey i need some help please.. how can i set that for example the user abcd can access his directory /home/abcd when im logged in as user abcd it says bash: /home/abcd/.bashrc access denied ... what can i do? :( |
| 17:54.10 | somiaj | DarsVaeda: it should be enabled by default, but you can check sshd_config in /etc/ssh/ |
| 17:54.10 | Shadow_7 | makoto: you might try fiddling with xinput settings |
| 17:54.23 | DarsVaeda | somiaj, whats the option name? |
| 17:54.28 | somiaj | DarsVaeda: you can use things like ssh -vvv user@host to increase verbosity to try to see what is going on. |
| 17:54.40 | somiaj | DarsVaeda: I dont' know off teh top of my head |
| 17:54.43 | DarsVaeda | ahh I'll try that thanks |
| 17:54.45 | tx1000 | somiaj, managed to solve the problem just by modifying a bios setting. changing the dedicated memory upc to from 64MB to 128MB |
| 17:54.46 | makoto | Shadow_7: i guess it's worth a shot |
| 17:54.50 | nickle | Also, I noticed another thing with Debian that I do not experience when booting an ancient fedora install I had around - console=/dev/ttyS0,115200 does not work for some reason, but works run in Fedora. Do I need to make that device in /dev for the serial port? :\ |
| 17:55.28 | somiaj | DarsVaeda: the option looks like PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 17:55.41 | nickle | I guess I should check for the device before asking and see that it exists, just seems weird since that always worked in the past for me, no problems. |
| 17:55.43 | Lionyx | nickle: no needs. once done, it's done forever :) when you want your system to go back starting with X, there's another target you should use in the same command (I can't remember now) |
| 17:56.24 | nickle | Oh, okay, thanks Lionyx. Maybe it's single-user.target or something. I will do some research. :) |
| 17:56.44 | tx1000 | somiaj, thanks for your time. will let you know if encounter more issues |
| 17:56.44 | DarsVaeda | somiaj, seems to be enabled, it sends id_rsa but then continues with id_dsa |
| 17:57.19 | Twirl | anyone knows if you have to restart the system for gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount-open false to take effect? |
| 17:57.21 | somiaj | DarsVaeda: make sure the permisions of both the server and the clinet and 600 for .ssh/ and 400 for the key file |
| 17:57.32 | somiaj | DarsVaeda: ssh is very picky about the permisions on those files when using them for authentication. |
| 17:57.34 | nickle | Lionyx: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/CheatSheet - targets seem to be listed there, perfect :) |
| 17:58.12 | Lionyx | nickle: there you go! piece of cake! |
| 17:58.13 | ExLibRiS | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.25 | sillysausage | are there any really old linux users here ie from the 1995 days |
| 17:58.41 | sillysausage | i was wondering how linux handled things like plug and play in those days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_and_play#Plug_and_Play |
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| 17:58.55 | nickle | Lionyx: it looks like multi-user.target would do that I want - but again, it's maybe not setup like that by default. I will just have to give it a try and find out. Thanks for your help! :) |
| 17:59.22 | Lionyx | nickle: welcome |
| 17:59.26 | somiaj | sillysausage: I don't see this as a debian support question, maybe try ##linux |
| 18:00.05 | Shadow_7 | I bought my first linux box set in 1998. But didn't really use it as my main OS until 2002. |
| 18:00.20 | sillysausage | i thought i'd ask in #debian because it was a really old distribution with probably old community members, slackware being the only other one and maybe redhat if you can call the modern versions (RHEL/fedora) related to old redhat still. |
| 18:00.41 | abrotman | sillysausage: plug and play of what? |
| 18:00.55 | sillysausage | configuring of IRQs etc before they were automatically detected |
| 18:01.16 | abrotman | sillysausage: isapnp, jumpers, bios settings, file configs |
| 18:01.39 | sillysausage | it's quite difficult to find historical information on it :) |
| 18:01.54 | abrotman | sillysausage: You can easily download a 2.0.x kernel from kernel.org and read the docs |
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| 18:02.43 | ExLibRiS | can someone help me please? :/ |
| 18:02.51 | wallbroken | somebody could help me to configure network-manager ? |
| 18:03.08 | wallbroken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/b7qj3ioome7lis9/uu.png?dl=0 |
| 18:03.12 | sillysausage | the one question i was interested in knowing the answer to. was did linux ever suffer from problems whereby the OS configured devices to run on some IRQ, and the BIOS had an alternate configuration (eg what used to happen in windows) |
| 18:03.21 | makoto | Shadow_7: tytyty, i thnk i've got xinput to play ball |
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| 18:03.27 | wallbroken | i removed "ifupdown" but now i don't see "eth0" more |
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| 18:03.36 | abrotman | sillysausage: again, use vmware, you can research this |
| 18:03.49 | abrotman | or qemu |
| 18:03.54 | sillysausage | mm yeah i hadn't thought of that |
| 18:04.42 | Lionyx | ExLibRiS: what's the problem you're having again? |
| 18:04.42 | sillysausage | i wonder if it's even possible to get some ancient distribution like Yggdrasil or MCC Interim to work in qemu |
| 18:04.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:05.06 | Twirl | pls guys anyone knows if gsettings changes require restart? |
| 18:05.08 | Shadow_7 | makoto: yeah, I have to use xinput to get my trackball to emulate 3 button |
| 18:05.13 | bytemonkey | wallbroken: what do you mean 'removed' ifupdown? and what is that? ifconfig ? |
| 18:05.14 | abrotman | Twirl: shouldn't |
| 18:05.43 | wallbroken | bytemonkey, i [ifupdown] |
| 18:05.44 | wallbroken | managed=false |
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| 18:06.04 | wallbroken | yes, it's ifconfig but you need to see in right-bottom position |
| 18:06.09 | ExLibRiS | Lionyx: i'm logged in as normal user but i cannot access any folder even not my home folder like /home/user i can only access it with root, what can i do to make me access my homefolder as normal user? |
| 18:06.10 | wallbroken | on the nm menu |
| 18:06.20 | wallbroken | you will see some unwanted things |
| 18:06.39 | wallbroken | i simply need eth0 and eth1 |
| 18:06.40 | Lionyx | ExLibRiS: did it worked before? is it a fresh install? |
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| 18:07.11 | bytemonkey | wallbroken: are you connected to eth? |
| 18:07.33 | Twirl | abrotman: well it doesnt work for some reason :(( |
| 18:07.34 | Lionyx | ExLibRiS: did you tried to check who owns the /home/user folder? like in ls -ld /home/user? |
| 18:07.49 | Shadow_7 | ExLibRiS: with systemd, if /etc/fstab isn't setup, then / will be mounted read-only at boot |
| 18:07.52 | wallbroken | bytemonkey, yes |
| 18:07.57 | abrotman | Twirl: then restart, answer your own question |
| 18:08.11 | ExLibRiS | it is a fresh install i wanted to disable accessing a new user from accessing /home i wanted him just access /home/username and sub directories, and I set chmod 700 /home and chown root /home and chown username /home/username with root afterwards i couldnt access anything |
| 18:08.12 | ExLibRiS | :/ |
| 18:08.14 | bytemonkey | and do you have an ip address for eth? |
| 18:08.14 | Shadow_7 | ExLibRiS: you can ofc remount it as read-write. -o remount,rw |
| 18:08.16 | Twirl | abrotman: i tried gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount-open false |
| 18:08.24 | Twirl | abrotman: takes time to restart, like 10 mins |
| 18:08.55 | ExLibRiS | just with root but not with a this user i configured the directory for |
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| 18:09.13 | abrotman | Twirl: okay |
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| 18:09.34 | Twirl | abrotman: so i do have to restart? |
| 18:10.01 | wallbroken | bytemonkey, yes, you can see on the ifconfig |
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| 18:10.21 | ExLibRiS | wait a second i will try |
| 18:10.34 | bytemonkey | wallbroken: ok, what problem are you having with net-man? |
| 18:11.12 | nickle | Lionyx: from grub, you can add systemd.unit=multi-user as a parameter, which will boot the system to that runlevel without setting it default :) |
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| 18:11.35 | Lionyx | nickle: great! |
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| 18:11.49 | wallbroken | bytemonkey, i already said |
| 18:12.11 | ExLibRiS | Lionyx the directory is owned by root :/, Shadow_7: what exactly do i need to change in /etc/fstab ? |
| 18:12.28 | ExLibRiS | Lionyx how can i change the owner of that directory? |
| 18:12.49 | Shadow_7 | ExLibRiS: if it's not configured add the entry for / |
| 18:13.01 | bytemonkey | wallbroken: all you really said was you removed 'ifupdown" and you need help configuring network-manager because you don't see eth0 anymore |
| 18:13.11 | Shadow_7 | ExLibRiS: i.e. if the output of mount says that / is ro |
| 18:13.17 | wallbroken | exactly |
| 18:13.24 | wallbroken | i need only to manage eth0 and eth1 |
| 18:13.34 | wallbroken | on the menu i see some other stuff that i don't know |
| 18:13.44 | bytemonkey | like what? |
| 18:13.52 | ExLibRiS | Shadow_7 theres something inside with UUID= ... |
| 18:14.12 | ExLibRiS | after this comes an / and ext4 |
| 18:14.13 | Shadow_7 | ExLibRiS: if the mount point is / then it should be fine |
| 18:14.23 | Lionyx | ExLibRiS: /home should be owned by root root (user and group) ... /home/user should be owned by user user (user and group)... you should use chown user folder and chgrp user folder |
| 18:14.24 | wallbroken | "rete ethernet", "dispositivo non gestito" |
| 18:14.43 | somiaj | wallbroken: network-manager will ignore any device you have mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces, so you sould remove your enteries (I think commenting them out is fine) from that file. |
| 18:14.45 | ExLibRiS | i will try it |
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| 18:15.17 | wallbroken | somiaj, ok, but what is "ifupdown" ? |
| 18:15.22 | wallbroken | it should be enabled? |
| 18:15.37 | Shadow_7 | ExLibRiS: depending on how you created users... adduser vs. useradd... one doesn't create the /home/ for the user |
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| 18:16.00 | Lionyx | ExLibRiS: i meant chgrp GROUP folder... and also permissions should be 755 for the user directory and the home directory. With this you should be back to the default config. |
| 18:16.40 | Shadow_7 | chown can do both in one pass. $ chown <user>:<group> thing |
| 18:16.43 | Twirl | anyone knows if you have to restart the system for gsettings changes to take effect?? pelase |
| 18:16.55 | Lionyx | Shadow_7: i guess i'm screwing some explanation you're obviously making better. i'll shut up a little :D |
| 18:17.28 | Shadow_7 | I'm more of an app guy than an admin |
| 18:17.50 | Shadow_7 | it's just kind of hard to get anything done these days without being a little of both |
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| 18:18.10 | ExLibRiS | Shadow_7 i used useradd |
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| 18:18.58 | bytemonkey | crap...gotta go! |
| 18:19.02 | Shadow_7 | ExLibRiS: so probalby needed to add /home/ then. i.e. mkdir /home/someuser && chown someuser:someuser /home/someuser |
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| 18:20.02 | Shadow_7 | and probably with a default shell of dash |
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| 18:21.36 | abrotman | thank goodness |
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| 18:24.47 | ExLibRiS | after the chown: ls -ld shows: drwx---rwx username username 4096 Nov 22 19:00 /home/username |
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| 18:25.01 | ExLibRiS | but when im logging with username in i cant still access that directory |
| 18:25.02 | ExLibRiS | :( |
| 18:25.50 | abrotman | is username your real UID? |
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| 18:26.13 | ExLibRiS | do you mean in /etc/passwd ? |
| 18:26.32 | abrotman | ExLibRiS: ls -la /home/ ; put in a pastebin please |
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| 18:28.48 | wallbroken | is there some way to rename network adapter in network manager? |
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| 18:29.10 | Shadow_7 | wallbroken: you can rename it in udev |
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| 18:29.58 | joleman | hello, anyone knows how to disable automount open? |
| 18:30.43 | joleman | it keeps opening nautilus every time i plug in my android device and its extremely annoying |
| 18:30.44 | Lionyx | what's the option to see the NICE level with ps? I'm confused with its manpage. |
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| 18:31.07 | Shadow_7 | Lionyx: -l ? ps -FlAw |
| 18:31.18 | lotsoftuna | Hi, how can I force to download from "stretch (testing)" portion of repo? |
| 18:31.26 | lotsoftuna | I'm on Debian 8, do I need a test build of debian? |
| 18:31.28 | joleman | gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount-open false doesnt work?? |
| 18:32.16 | ExLibRiS | abrotman |
| 18:32.18 | ExLibRiS | http://pastebin.com/wKrWMSBa |
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| 18:32.59 | Lionyx | Shadow_7: tks!!! i'll never forget it again :D |
| 18:34.13 | lotsoftuna | do I need "stretch" debian? |
| 18:34.21 | lotsoftuna | or can I install to Jessie? |
| 18:34.24 | Shadow_7 | Lionyx: it's also the NI column in top |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | lotsoftuna: why do you want Stretch? |
| 18:34.55 | lotsoftuna | idk what's Stretch |
| 18:34.58 | lotsoftuna | I want https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rtorrent |
| 18:35.00 | Lionyx | Shadow_7: i was just using top to do so when I asked my self how should i do it with ps hehe |
| 18:35.08 | abrotman | ExLibRiS: pretty sure you don't want /home/ to be 700 |
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| 18:35.20 | lotsoftuna | Because it's a good build of rtorrent, and it'd save me time compiling. Do I need to install a test build of debian, or can I somehow install this to Jessie? |
| 18:35.45 | abrotman | judd: versions rtorretnt |
| 18:35.46 | judd | No package named 'rtorretnt' was found in amd64. |
| 18:35.47 | abrotman | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 18:35.48 | judd | Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.6-1; squeeze-backports: 0.8.9-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; jessie: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2; sid: 0.9.6-2 |
| 18:35.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lotsoftuna about ssb |
| 18:36.02 | lotsoftuna | yeah, I don't want 0.9.2 |
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| 18:36.45 | lotsoftuna | Okay, so, as dpkg sent me, I set to sid, then aptitude get the stuff, then install the deb? |
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| 18:37.42 | abrotman | no, read it again |
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| 18:39.00 | lotsoftuna | add deb-src line for sid |
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| 18:39.12 | lotsoftuna | enable backports... whatever those are |
| 18:39.38 | lotsoftuna | then grab build-dep for rtorrent, then build a deb package from source |
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| 18:39.53 | lotsoftuna | then install the resultant deb |
| 18:40.17 | ExLibRiS | abrotman i set /home to 707 with chmod, but how i can disable users from accessing home i want just access them their directories /home/w3bchat1/* for example |
| 18:40.23 | ExLibRiS | but not /home |
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| 18:40.37 | ExLibRiS | btw thank you Lionyx and Shadow_7 |
| 18:40.47 | lotsoftuna | abrotman: can I force rtorrent to install to a specific folder? |
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| 18:41.36 | abrotman | lotsoftuna: why would you? |
| 18:41.49 | abrotman | ExLibRiS: 707 is also wrong |
| 18:41.54 | abrotman | why would you thikn that's correct? |
| 18:41.58 | lotsoftuna | idk, every guide I've read says to put it in /opt/rtorrent |
| 18:42.07 | cra1g321 | there is plenty of scripts on github for installing rtorrent/rutorrent |
| 18:42.10 | ExLibRiS | i dont know, im just starting to learn debian :( |
| 18:42.17 | lotsoftuna | Yeah, I'd rather do it myself cra1g321 |
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| 18:42.27 | lotsoftuna | they all want a bunch of weird stuff, and most install older versions |
| 18:42.37 | abrotman | ExLibRiS: chmod 755 /home/ ; chmod 700 /home/* |
| 18:42.40 | lotsoftuna | latest I can use is 0.13.6 |
| 18:42.42 | abrotman | ExLibRiS: then, man adduser.conf |
| 18:42.43 | lotsoftuna | for libtorrent |
| 18:42.58 | abrotman | lotsoftuna: don't do that, just use the instructions the bot gave you |
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| 18:43.14 | joleman | hello im trying to rmmod a module but it says its in use, any way to figure out which process is using it? |
| 18:43.36 | lotsoftuna | abrotman: don't use a script, no? |
| 18:43.37 | cyphix | I'm currently reinstalling my debian install. I have a backup of all the files. Where are stored the wifi settings? It does not seem to be under /etc/wpa_supplicant. I use gnome if that's relevant |
| 18:43.43 | abrotman | lotsoftuna: use what the bot told you |
| 18:43.43 | lotsoftuna | cra1g321: https://github.com/Kerwood/rtorrent.auto.install |
| 18:43.45 | lotsoftuna | ok |
| 18:43.48 | lotsoftuna | I'll try it |
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| 18:44.32 | cra1g321 | my droplet is rtorrent 0.9.6, libtorrent 0.13.6 |
| 18:44.43 | lotsoftuna | I'd like that, do you have the script handy? |
| 18:45.01 | cyphix | To be more specific: the wifi works, I just want to restore the settings for the wifi networks I used with my old install |
| 18:45.05 | cra1g321 | i'll login and see what i used |
| 18:45.12 | lotsoftuna | thanks |
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| 18:45.56 | adm001mi | hey all, is it possible to start a vnc session on port 0, when the x-server isn't running yet? |
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| 18:46.57 | abrotman | lotsoftuna: use what the bot told you, it will put the binary in the right place |
| 18:47.30 | joleman | anyone knows how to unload a module that is in use? |
| 18:47.51 | joleman | rmmod: ERROR: Module v4l2loopback_dc is in use |
| 18:47.54 | lotsoftuna | abrotman: okay |
| 18:48.19 | ExLibRiS | thank you it works abrotman :) but isnt there a way to stop w3bchat1 reading /home ? he can see all directories in /home :/ |
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| 18:48.23 | abrotman | joleman: lsmod doesn't help ? |
| 18:48.37 | abrotman | ExLibRiS: there's nothing wrong with that generally .. |
| 18:49.03 | ExLibRiS | okay, thx i though it was not normal that he can do that |
| 18:49.07 | joleman | abrotman: nope it doesnt, i tried unloading other modules that were used by them |
| 18:49.09 | ExLibRiS | thank you all again |
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| 18:49.29 | joleman | abrotman: i think its in use by some application that didnt close correclty, happens all the time, but i dont know which process is it |
| 18:49.35 | cra1g321 | lotsoftuna - https://github.com/arakasi72/rtinst |
| 18:49.35 | joleman | abrotman: any way to find out |
| 18:49.41 | Lionyx | cyphix: did you tryed /etc/network ? I'd start searching there, but honestly, no clue where gnome stores it. |
| 18:49.42 | cra1g321 | seems it just got updated 5 days ago too |
| 18:49.56 | lotsoftuna | thanks cra1g321 |
| 18:49.56 | abrotman | cra1g321: please, let him use the Debian way before he installs random things all over his OS |
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| 18:50.23 | cra1g321 | i'm sure he will look at the script before blindy using it :) |
| 18:50.26 | abrotman | that's how shit ends up broken |
| 18:50.28 | abrotman | no, he' wo'nt |
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| 18:50.53 | abrotman | And the next time he upgrades to stretch, he won't be able to figure out why it's still the wrong version |
| 18:50.56 | abrotman | great plan |
| 18:51.02 | MAto3 | . |
| 18:51.07 | lotsoftuna | abrotman: I looked at the script |
| 18:51.14 | lotsoftuna | Also, I won't be upgrading to stretch |
| 18:51.20 | lotsoftuna | I don';t think I want the script |
| 18:51.30 | lotsoftuna | rather use apache, and I don't need auto-rssi or whatever |
| 18:51.35 | lotsoftuna | or uhm |
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| 18:53.01 | abrotman | joleman: you can force a module out |
| 18:53.48 | lotsoftuna | yeah I'll try the dpkg method |
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| 18:54.13 | abrotman | joleman: if you 'lsmod | grep <module>' ; what is the number after the module name/. |
| 18:54.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:54.47 | joleman | abrotman: v4l2loopback_dc 24576 1 |
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| 19:01.53 | joleman | abrotman: ? |
| 19:02.47 | abrotman | joleman: rmmod --force <module> |
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| 19:03.18 | joleman | abrotman: could something bad happen? |
| 19:03.50 | abrotman | the program using it could crash |
| 19:04.07 | joleman | could not remove module v4l2loopback_dc: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 19:04.27 | joleman | i dont want to restart again : \ |
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| 19:06.26 | no_gravity | Good Evening |
| 19:07.20 | no_gravity | I just hit CTRL+F1 accidentaly and it brings some fullscreen terminal up. Is that some legacy from ancient unix times? Does it still have a use case these days? |
| 19:07.50 | MAto3 | wet |
| 19:08.12 | MAto3 | no_gravity, if your x crashes it is very useful |
| 19:08.13 | Brigo | no_gravity, i think it do still have a use case. |
| 19:08.42 | no_gravity | MAto3: yeah, might be true. for some reason, i never used it. |
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| 19:09.31 | MAto3 | i've only actually had to use it a couple times in my life honestly |
| 19:10.00 | MAto3 | im sure it has other uses though other than just x crashing.. i just cant think of any |
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| 19:10.28 | tx1000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.53 | Brigo | tx1000, man rename |
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| 19:11.46 | tx1000 | Brigo, can you please give me the oneliner |
| 19:11.50 | tx1000 | Brigo, can you please give me the oneliner? |
| 19:12.05 | Shadow_7 | no_gravity: it does have a use case. More so with wayland, mir, and other experimental replacements for X. |
| 19:12.12 | Brigo | tx1000, i am not good with RE. |
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| 19:12.39 | Shadow_7 | no_gravity: plus sometimes X or at least 3rd party drivers are unstable. |
| 19:12.41 | lotsoftuna | abrotman: Issue. I Need rtorrent compiled with xmlrpc-c, and apparently packages don't compile with that library |
| 19:12.49 | lotsoftuna | I need that because otherwise I can't use rutorrent |
| 19:13.01 | no_gravity | tx1000: i would try this: rename 's/^~//' ~* |
| 19:13.19 | abrotman | judd: backportcheck rtorrent |
| 19:13.29 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport rtorrent |
| 19:13.30 | judd | Backporting package rtorrent in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtorrent-dev (>= 0.13.6). |
| 19:13.36 | abrotman | jeez |
| 19:14.13 | lotsoftuna | ? |
| 19:14.25 | lotsoftuna | what's the issue |
| 19:14.36 | abrotman | it says you can backport libtorrent-dev |
| 19:14.48 | abrotman | you'll have to backport that first |
| 19:14.58 | lotsoftuna | no, I mean, I need rtorrent compiled with xmlrpc-c |
| 19:15.06 | lotsoftuna | Yes, I know I need libtorrent |
| 19:15.20 | abrotman | it should install that with the builddeps |
| 19:15.23 | lotsoftuna | but most of the time, packages from the repos related to rtorrent aren't compiled with xmlrpc-c |
| 19:15.35 | lotsoftuna | yes, but again, apparently rtorrent WONT be compiled with xmlrpc-c |
| 19:15.40 | lotsoftuna | meaning I can't use rutorrent |
| 19:16.31 | abrotman | you can change the compile options |
| 19:16.38 | lotsoftuna | in building the deb? |
| 19:17.08 | lotsoftuna | through the method you sent me, I mean |
| 19:17.15 | lotsoftuna | I need --with-xmlrpc-c |
| 19:17.19 | lotsoftuna | that's all |
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| 19:17.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lotsoftuna about debian/rules |
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| 19:18.43 | lotsoftuna | so I can just add --with-xmlrpc-c for rtorrent building? |
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| 19:20.01 | Marenz | morning |
| 19:20.50 | Marenz | I have a thinkpad z60t. My trackpad works, however my trackpoint (and the accourding mouse buttons) doesn't work. Any clues of what could be wrong or where I could look for further information? |
| 19:21.22 | Marenz | It's really a pain to work with a trackpad :/ |
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| 19:40.31 | fsociety[00]dat | hi #debian :) can root partition be a logical partition? |
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| 19:48.41 | hexhaxtron | In aptitude how can I deselect all packages containing ':i386'? |
| 19:48.58 | well_laid_lawn | fstd: yes |
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| 19:49.16 | fstd | well_laid_lawn: Okay. |
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| 19:52.58 | eemcs | hi, what's the difference between "debian-8.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" (3.7G) and "debian-update-8.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" (4.2G)? |
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| 19:55.07 | abrotman | eemcs: one is an installer, one is for upgrades |
| 19:55.32 | kristijonas | hello, how to set up a system wide proxy connection? |
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| 19:55.55 | eemcs | abrotman: alright, I find it weird that the update iso is bigger than the "iso" though |
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| 19:56.17 | eemcs | "normal" iso* |
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| 19:57.06 | lotsoftuna | abrotman: where can I find debian/rules |
| 19:57.24 | abrotman | eemcs: because the update is for all of Debian main, not just the packages enough to install |
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| 19:57.29 | abrotman | lotsoftuna: the bot told you |
| 19:57.52 | lotsoftuna | I know, but i can't find the actual file on my system... |
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| 19:58.07 | kristijonas | I connected to remote host, by "ssh -fCND 1080 username@remote-host" and I want all traffic to be forwarding through that SSH tunnel. |
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| 19:58.14 | abrotman | lotsoftuna: where did you download the source to? |
| 19:58.22 | lotsoftuna | uhh |
| 19:58.33 | lotsoftuna | from puush? |
| 19:58.38 | lotsoftuna | just from a site? |
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| 19:58.49 | abrotman | it puts it in oyur filesystem |
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| 19:59.11 | lotsoftuna | Ohhh shit |
| 19:59.14 | lotsoftuna | source yes |
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| 19:59.21 | jelly | lotsoftuna: rtorrent binary in jessie is linked with libxmlrpc-core-c3 (Source: xmlrpc-c) by default |
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| 19:59.48 | lotsoftuna | jelly: Looking to install this specific version: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rtorrent |
| 20:00.02 | lotsoftuna | I know i need libtorrent, I just need rtorrent to compile with xmlrpc-c |
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| 20:00.15 | lotsoftuna | some guides I read say you need to add --with-xmlrpc-c |
| 20:00.31 | jelly | lotsoftuna: and I'm telling it's compiled against that library in debian by default |
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| 20:00.54 | jelly | dpkg, tell lotsoftuna about simple sid backport |
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| 20:01.32 | lotsoftuna | apt-get -b source packagename <- do I replace source with the source file? |
| 20:01.41 | jelly | lotsoftuna: use the ssb recipe on libtorrent first, then install the resulting package, then do it on rtorrent |
| 20:01.55 | lotsoftuna | ok |
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| 20:02.47 | lotsoftuna | apt-get -b /tmp/libtorrent_0.13.6-1.tar.xz libtorrent19 as example? |
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| 20:12.23 | tx1000 | i have instaled jessie on a HP Pavilion 1000 notebook. my present internet connection is via a ethernet cable to the router. my wireless is not detected. how can i find out my actual wireless chipset? |
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| 20:15.41 | derstrom | tx1000: lspci | grep Network |
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| 20:16.25 | tx1000 | lspci | grep Network outputs nothing |
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| 20:17.01 | derstrom | tx1000: sorry, try lspci | grep -i wireless |
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| 20:17.32 | derstrom | WiFi is a pain to support without non-free drivers. You'll probably find the driver you need in the non-free repo |
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| 20:17.51 | tx1000 | lspci | grep -i wireless outputs nothing |
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| 20:22.14 | derstrom | tx1000: Can you pastebin the full output of "lspci". You should see your card listed under "Network controller" |
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| 20:22.38 | abrotman | lspci -nn would be more useful |
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| 20:24.31 | tx1000 | http://hastebin.com/humavujiwu.css |
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| 20:29.59 | derstrom | tx1000: Can't see anything listed here suggesting you have a WiFi card. Hopefully someone else can help. Only thing I can think to suggest is trying lshw (install it from the repo first), and executing that as root (e.g. sudo lshw | grep Network). |
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| 20:30.39 | SynrG | no wifi card usually means rfkill toggled off |
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| 20:30.58 | abrotman | or hardware off |
| 20:31.35 | tx1000 | sudo lshw | grep Network ouputs nothing. The laptop does have built in wireless which was working with Windows which is longer installed |
| 20:31.46 | ewew | well. I ran to a situation when rfkill reported sw block for wifi on and hw block off.:-D |
| 20:31.49 | derstrom | tx1000: Only possible explanation is the wifi is turned off |
| 20:32.02 | tx1000 | the wifi is ON, the light is blue |
| 20:32.34 | SynrG | not necessarily the case. i've seen netbooks that share the blue light between bluetooth and wifi |
| 20:32.50 | SynrG | might be the case also for your notebook ... |
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| 20:33.33 | abrotman | or it's USB |
| 20:33.34 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:33.38 | SynrG | or that |
| 20:33.46 | derstrom | did cross my mind |
| 20:33.51 | tx1000 | perhaps it is usb |
| 20:34.03 | SynrG | lsusb for that |
| 20:34.10 | tx1000 | integrated bluetooth & wireless usb that is |
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| 20:34.34 | ewew | What does show command iwlist ? |
| 20:34.42 | ewew | or iwconfig ? |
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| 20:35.37 | tx1000 | http://hastebin.com/ozikiculan.css |
| 20:36.09 | derstrom | tx1000: can you install rfkill, and provide the output of "rfkill list" |
| 20:37.05 | tx1000 | http://hastebin.com/eqegivukog.sm |
| 20:37.43 | tx1000 | how can i know the blueetooth is activated? what is the command for that? |
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| 20:39.55 | derstrom | tx1000: systemctl status bluetooth (I *think*) |
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| 20:40.26 | derstrom | make sure you're root |
| 20:40.41 | derstrom | or "service bluetooth status" for Debian 7 |
| 20:40.46 | filadome | i used win32diskimager to load the debian bluray onto an extra USB drive |
| 20:40.53 | filadome | it keeps asking for a cdrom mount |
| 20:41.43 | SynrG | filadome: did you image it to the whole drive or just to a partition? |
| 20:42.07 | filadome | to an exFat pertition |
| 20:42.14 | SynrG | that's not how it works |
| 20:42.21 | derstrom | tx1000: everything I'm seeing is suggesting you haven't got WiFi. It's very strange. |
| 20:42.24 | filadome | i mean, it boots |
| 20:42.31 | filadome | it just doesn't know there is no cdrom |
| 20:42.35 | SynrG | yeah, but it will be confused |
| 20:42.48 | SynrG | you image to the whole drive. this, of course, destroys all content on it ... |
| 20:42.50 | tx1000 | derstrom, The laptop does have built in wireless which was working with Windows which is longer installed |
| 20:43.05 | SynrG | so if there's anything precious on it, back it up first |
| 20:43.09 | derstrom | tx1000: I understand, I'm just saying it's very strange nothing lists the wifi card. |
| 20:43.19 | SynrG | or use a different USB drive that's ok to wipe |
| 20:43.24 | derstrom | not even rfkill lists it |
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| 20:43.42 | tx1000 | i think the wireless and bluetooth are integrated into a single device |
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| 20:44.57 | filadome | SynrG, i'm fine with wiping it |
| 20:45.18 | filadome | however, i had to format the drive to exFat in Windows just to get it to show up in Win32 Disk Imager |
| 20:45.26 | filadome | should i delete the system partition? |
| 20:45.39 | SynrG | filadome: that's odd. well, imaging to the whole drive will wipe the contents anyway |
| 20:46.19 | SynrG | so i don't think it matters what partitions are on it |
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| 20:52.27 | derstrom | tx1000: There is firmware for Broadcom cards, but the only ones I can find is for BCM4xx. The following packages are found in the contrib repository: firmware-b43-installer and firmware-b43legacy-installer |
| 20:53.02 | derstrom | These install the packages you need from non-free |
| 20:54.02 | derstrom | But I don't know if these packages will work for you. |
| 20:54.47 | lotsoftuna | anyone? |
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| 20:58.54 | dizzylizzy | I'm trying to look up a bug from a package that has been fixed |
| 20:58.54 | lotsoftuna | jelly: I think I figured it out. I can specify specific version |
| 20:59.10 | derstrom | tx1000: Let me know if this helps; Wi-Fi is certainly a PITA. |
| 20:59.16 | dizzylizzy | how do I go about looking at that? i can't see anything on the bugtracker package page at bugs.debian.org |
| 20:59.30 | derstrom | lotsoftuna: What's your question? |
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| 20:59.46 | lotsoftuna | derstrom: I want to install a specific version of lib + rtorrent |
| 21:00.00 | lotsoftuna | They're available through stretch (testing), but I'm on jessie |
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| 21:00.18 | lotsoftuna | users before told me to apt-get -b source packagename |
| 21:00.26 | lotsoftuna | in which to build a .deb from source |
| 21:01.12 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell lotsoftuna about ssb |
| 21:01.22 | lotsoftuna | yeah that's what I'm doing |
| 21:01.27 | lotsoftuna | I'm on step 4 |
| 21:01.33 | lotsoftuna | step 3 sorry |
| 21:01.35 | lotsoftuna | apt-get -b source packagename |
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| 21:01.41 | lotsoftuna | which would be apt-get -b source libtorrent19 |
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| 21:02.24 | lotsoftuna | am I correct? |
| 21:02.36 | Arrowmaster | have you tried it |
| 21:03.07 | lotsoftuna | okay, it uh |
| 21:03.08 | lotsoftuna | failed |
| 21:03.11 | Arrowmaster | you might get an error if it needs newer versions of dependancies in which case build and install them first |
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| 21:03.18 | lotsoftuna | shit sorry |
| 21:03.24 | lotsoftuna | I forgot to install dependencies... |
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| 21:03.42 | lotsoftuna | what's the benefit of aptitude? |
| 21:04.13 | Arrowmaster | aptitude and apt-get do mostly the same things but have a few minor differences, dont think aptitude can do building from source though |
| 21:04.43 | lotsoftuna | right, so use apt-get |
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| 21:04.59 | Arrowmaster | hope somebody else can help you out if you have anymore questions, have to step away |
| 21:05.03 | lotsoftuna | thanks |
| 21:05.11 | lotsoftuna | I think I should be good though, but will ask if needed |
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| 21:05.18 | lotsoftuna | okay, so it will grab libtorrent19 from sid, which is great |
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| 21:05.23 | lotsoftuna | because I do want the unstable version |
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| 21:27.00 | sipi | I feel clueless, I cannot make Debian work in VM VirtualBox, it installs successfully but crashes after prompting me to login. Please tell me you got ideas.. : |
| 21:27.27 | ewew | sip What is the host system ? |
| 21:27.54 | sipi | Win10 x64 |
| 21:27.57 | abrotman | sipi: which version of Debian? |
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| 21:28.04 | sipi | i386 debian |
| 21:28.07 | abrotman | which version? |
| 21:28.16 | jiggawattz | sipi ⤠jessie 8.x? |
| 21:28.25 | sipi | 8.2 sorry |
| 21:28.31 | abrotman | sipi: what DE did you install? perhaps try a different one |
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| 21:28.58 | sipi | ow good idea, which one do you recommend? |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | which ones have you tried? Perhaps try LXDE, it's fairly small |
| 21:29.20 | eemcs | curious question, why is it the MD5/SHA256/SHA512 files that are signed and not directly the different isos? wouldn't it remove one step to verify? |
| 21:29.23 | jiggawattz | sipi ⤠Xfce is good too |
| 21:29.26 | jiggawattz | small |
| 21:29.31 | abrotman | xfce is hardly small |
| 21:29.42 | jiggawattz | abrotman ⤠compared to.... GNOME? KDE? |
| 21:29.48 | abrotman | compared to LXDE, it's huge |
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| 21:30.05 | jiggawattz | well, alrighty then |
| 21:30.15 | jiggawattz | If you want an ultra small one... LXDE |
| 21:30.26 | abrotman | and XFCE still has a lot of gnome-ish components, which may be causing the problem here |
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| 21:33.48 | wallbroken | what "ifupdown" is? |
| 21:34.28 | ewew | !ifupdown |
| 21:34.29 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 21:35.27 | lotsoftuna | question, if I apt-get -b source "package" into a deb |
| 21:35.35 | lotsoftuna | how can I figure out where it installs to? |
| 21:35.51 | abrotman | where the source installs to, or the package? |
| 21:35.59 | lotsoftuna | package |
| 21:36.18 | abrotman | lotsoftuna: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 21:36.56 | lotsoftuna | thanks |
| 21:37.01 | lotsoftuna | I just wanna make sure it installs properly |
| 21:37.15 | lotsoftuna | I kinda want it to install into /opt/libtorrent |
| 21:37.21 | lotsoftuna | I'm guessing it most likely will |
| 21:37.38 | abrotman | no, it won't |
| 21:37.52 | lotsoftuna | howcome my seedbox does |
| 21:37.57 | lotsoftuna | and do I want it to go there, rather? |
| 21:38.05 | abrotman | you probably don't care |
| 21:38.23 | lotsoftuna | every guide I read puts it there... |
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| 21:38.31 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:38.41 | sipi | The reason I am trying to install Debian is that one of the working VM does not let me use any executables. Always it writes '/usr/bin/apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file' |
| 21:38.59 | wallbroken | i need help to configure properly network manager |
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| 21:41.39 | ProfessorKaos64 | other than post to the debian mailing list, how can one move to submit a package to be included in Debian? |
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| 21:43.03 | derstrom | ProfessorKaos64: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/distribute-deb/distribute-deb.html#adding-packages-to-debian |
| 21:43.21 | derstrom | Debian Documentation covers a lot of these kinds of questions. |
| 21:44.18 | ProfessorKaos64 | ok, I'll give this a read. Have two simple python packages that are not upstream. No idea if anyone ever tried submitting them |
| 21:44.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ProfessorKaos64 about mentors |
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| 21:45.54 | tx1000 | derstrom, how i can i know for sure that the laptop`s built-in wireless chipset is broadcom? |
| 21:46.26 | beepie | tx1000, um, you use lspci-- all devices have unique "vendorid:deviceid" when you use certain params with lspci |
| 21:47.39 | beepie | tx1000, that's much less to do w debian issue and more of a general linux question.. debian gets its support of linux drivers from kernel.org |
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| 21:49.09 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, will openssl 1.0.2 be ever be available for Debian Jessie? |
| 21:49.38 | teclo- | tx1000: indeed, like beepie says, well... most wired network adapters are supported, the wireless are less likely to be supported... but it's not Debian in particular, it's in the kernel, so it will be the same problem with other distros |
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| 21:51.31 | sipi | VM does not let me use any executables. I always get '/usr/bin/apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file' could anyone help me, please? |
| 21:51.59 | tx1000 | teclo-, how i can i know for sure that the laptop`s built-in wireless chipset is broadcom? lspci does NOT list any wireless device |
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| 21:52.26 | teclo- | tx1000: are sure you're reading right ? It should show up in lspci |
| 21:52.29 | derstrom | tx1000: Well everything I have suggested is the only ways I know how you can find out. As you say, it is possible it is one chip that does both wifi and bluetooth. |
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| 21:52.36 | tx1000 | http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Pavilion-tx1000-Notebook-PC-series/3185026/model/3337836/document/c00845699 |
| 21:52.40 | teclo- | tx1000: try lspci -v perhaps |
| 21:52.49 | beepie | yeah but "broadcom" is the worst for any "linux".. stay away from broadcom as much as possible.. the problem is not "debian" or "kernel.org", but the broadcom company who is completely anti-linux.. |
| 21:53.03 | derstrom | yup |
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| 21:53.30 | derstrom | tx1000: did the packages from the contrib repo not work? |
| 21:53.54 | beepie | so i'd stay away from dwelving "too much" into helping to fix broadcom issues... there's the general wiki/documentation but even the connection with broadcom can "flicker" and not be 100%.. so be happy with what you get is all i can say about broadcom.. |
| 21:53.56 | tx1000 | derstrom, how i can i know for sure that the laptop`s built-in wireless chipset is broadcom? |
| 21:54.03 | tx1000 | what is the command |
| 21:54.05 | tx1000 | what is the command? |
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| 21:54.17 | cybernaut | I would like to add another user account under debian as well as add a user to sudo there isn't an obvious way to access the root account from an account without sudo access so how do I access root type authority if I can't login as root anywhere? |
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| 21:54.40 | tx1000 | http://hastebin.com/ozikiculan.css |
| 21:54.59 | ProfessorKaos64 | derstrom, ok I sent a request with information to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org , is that a start? |
| 21:55.01 | tx1000 | http://hastebin.com/humavujiwu.css |
| 21:55.21 | derstrom | ProfessorKaos64: No idea, I haven't submitted packages to the Debian repos before, but it's what I would do. |
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| 21:55.39 | ProfessorKaos64 | ok, worth a shot anyway. I am just proud of the the things I have learned so far with packaging |
| 21:55.40 | derstrom | ProfessorKaos64: If not I am sure they will direct you to the right place. |
| 21:55.43 | ProfessorKaos64 | I rather enjoy it |
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| 21:55.59 | ProfessorKaos64 | From what I understand I cannot submit packages without a mentor |
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| 21:56.05 | computing-land | @cybernaut: try âsudo suâ with your current user |
| 21:56.16 | derstrom | ProfessorKaos64: Contributions like that are well appreciated. It helps everyone. |
| 21:56.30 | computing-land | then you can set a password with âpasswdâ for root account |
| 21:56.45 | ProfessorKaos64 | The upstream uses pip. I was able to make a basic debian/ set and package it all. |
| 21:56.51 | ProfessorKaos64 | without pip of course |
| 21:56.56 | computing-land | and then âuseradd newusernameâ |
| 21:57.35 | computing-land | and then âexitâ when you're done |
| 21:57.45 | abrotman | ProfessorKaos64: check the IRC channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:57.50 | abrotman | adduser, not useradd |
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| 21:58.03 | computing-land | why adduser? |
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| 21:58.16 | beepie | i hate those two commands, they always confuse me XD |
| 21:58.18 | abrotman | because that's the correct tool |
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| 21:58.52 | cybernaut | computing-land That doesn't work, it just says "Sorry, try again." I've tried it and I've used the root password for installation already (so that is correct) |
| 21:58.55 | beepie | btw |
| 21:58.56 | tx1000 | https://ez93.com/devices/bluetooth/hpcompaq/integratedmodulewirelessinterfacebluetoothwlanpid171d/ |
| 21:58.57 | CQ | hi guys, I've tried everything to install amd64 jessie netinst on a MSI g45m Mobo, but it keeps rebooting as soon as the initial screen comes up. I've upgraded the BIOS (no change), tried a bunch of USB sticks, etc., no luck. Any ideas? My last plan is to try the wheezy amd64 installer and then upgrade... |
| 21:58.58 | beepie | its' useradd |
| 21:59.06 | abrotman | cybernaut: usermod -a -G sudo |
| 21:59.10 | beepie | for adding new users to the system, at least when i'm looking here |
| 21:59.11 | abrotman | beepie: no, it's adduser |
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| 21:59.40 | abrotman | please use adduser, I've been using Debian for more than 15 years. The tool is adduser |
| 21:59.44 | beepie | abrotman, the useradd is there for legacy? |
| 21:59.50 | abrotman | beepie: man adduser |
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| 22:00.13 | beepie | abrotman, yeah of course.. seems to do the same but with more detail |
| 22:00.20 | derstrom | cybernaut: if you need to add your user account to the sudo group, escalate to root with "su", then execute "adduser <your_username> sudo" |
| 22:00.30 | abrotman | adduser is a frontend to useradd, takes care of a lot of defaults and setup |
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| 22:01.41 | computing-land | OK, I'm so used to script the creation of users, home dirs and such, that I always use useradd |
| 22:01.43 | computing-land | ^^ |
| 22:01.52 | cybernaut | derstrom: Thanks that is exactly what I wanted! Also I appreciate the adduser ... I was about to repeat a mistake I made 5 years ago by using useradd (mutter) |
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| 22:02.52 | derstrom | cybernaut: no prob |
| 22:03.58 | CQ | is it possible to run the jessie installer from a running system? |
| 22:04.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cq about debootstrap |
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| 22:06.38 | ewew | CQ It installs very basic system. |
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| 22:08.25 | teclo- | tx1000: yeah the solution with chips not supported by Linux (for instance, some broadcom chips) is to look what the chipset is before you buy, and find out if it's supported in Linux. If it's not supported, well just say "Go f*ck yourself" to the one who tries to sell you the laptop |
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| 22:08.53 | teclo- | tx1000: by the way, you can get the money back from the pre-installed commercial software that comes with your laptop |
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| 22:17.09 | ewew | WTH. Why would libreoffice override the text editor ? Leafpad. |
| 22:18.02 | beepie | ewew, could be that you have intoxicated sources, here i have leafpad and use it |
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| 22:18.37 | ewew | this is from debian repo. going to check post install scripts. |
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| 22:20.09 | lotsoftuna | okay |
| 22:20.14 | lotsoftuna | so, my deb built properly |
| 22:20.18 | lotsoftuna | which do I install now... |
| 22:20.47 | lotsoftuna | libtorrent19_0.13.6-1_armhf.deb or libtorrent-dev_0.13.6-1_armhf.deb |
| 22:20.50 | lotsoftuna | or both |
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| 22:22.30 | ewew | well. this is weird. Why it would want to change default text editor ? In post install script is only update-menus. |
| 22:22.54 | lotsoftuna | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rtorrent |
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| 22:23.07 | lotsoftuna | how can I specify apt-get to only grab dependencies for this version |
| 22:23.19 | lotsoftuna | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.21 | lotsoftuna | didn't work |
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| 22:28.04 | beepie | later thanks |
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| 22:30.36 | DJ_Bitcon | how to tell apt always keep maintainer version of configs by default upon automatic upgrade ? |
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| 22:33.37 | lotsoftuna | aptitude build-dep rtorrent=0.9.6-2 |
| 22:37.10 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: that is a dpkg (or debconf), I would look for an dpkg (or debconf) config option that does that and use it in apt.preferences. |
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| 22:37.18 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: I don't know where a good list of these options is though. |
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| 22:38.47 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: yea something like Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" |
| 22:38.52 | somiaj | https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ |
| 22:39.16 | DJ_Bitcon | force-confnew is to forcing a new confi right? |
| 22:39.22 | DJ_Bitcon | to force* |
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| 22:41.43 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: correct, there is also force-confold, force-confask, etc. |
| 22:42.01 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: I thought you said you always wanted teh matainers config, sot hat would be the new one |
| 22:42.58 | DJ_Bitcon | oh , just read what i wrote -.- heh, sorry, i wanted exactly the opposite |
| 22:43.10 | DJ_Bitcon | to keep the current version of the config |
| 22:43.38 | somiaj | DJ_Bitcon: well then confold (: |
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| 22:43.52 | DJ_Bitcon | yea, got it :) much thank you |
| 22:44.15 | somiaj | And it could be I totallly misread you too, I do that from time to time. |
| 22:44.46 | DJ_Bitcon | well, this time my fault. :p |
| 22:45.24 | n-st | on debian jessie, will the system bring up the network before fsck-ing the rootfs? |
| 22:45.57 | abrotman | n-st: how would it? |
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| 22:46.07 | n-st | hmm, good point, actually |
| 22:46.16 | n-st | i've just upgraded a jessie server to kernel 4.2 from the backports and rebooted it. now it's reacting to pings, but refuses ssh connections |
| 22:46.40 | idiot | ohai |
| 22:46.51 | idiot | i has problem =( |
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| 22:47.09 | somiaj | Guest57798: ask your question. |
| 22:47.25 | n-st | so, since it set up ipv6, opening the dm-crypt container must have worked and it can't have crashed⦠so what's keeping it from starting sshd? |
| 22:47.55 | somiaj | n-st: do you have access to the server? |
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| 22:48.04 | somiaj | n-st: systemctl status ssh.service should tell you |
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| 22:48.17 | n-st | somiaj: no physical access, not even ipmi |
| 22:48.27 | Guest57798 | I cant flash my hard drive- $uname -a Linux *******-Parrot 3.13.0-68-generic #111-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:18:09 UTC 2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:48.41 | Guest57798 | unetbootin not working |
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| 22:49.01 | n-st | only thing i could do would be a hard reboot and perhaps launching hetzner's ugly "vKVM" (i.e. a live system that boots the actual system inside kvm) |
| 22:49.01 | Guest57798 | although completing the installation process without error |
| 22:49.01 | abrotman | unetbootin not working to do what? |
| 22:50.06 | Guest57798 | placing new OS |
| 22:50.07 | Guest57798 | ? |
| 22:50.13 | somiaj | Guest57798: what do you mean unetbootin not working. It is suggested in the install gudie to not use unetbootin to put a debian installer on a usb drive. |
| 22:50.13 | abrotman | Guest57798: unetbootin not working for place what new OS? |
| 22:50.49 | Guest57798 | its xubuntu |
| 22:50.49 | somiaj | n-st: I can't think what the issue could be without seeing some logs. |
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| 22:50.56 | abrotman | Guest57798: so ask #xubuntu, not #debian |
| 22:51.05 | Guest57798 | same shit? |
| 22:51.07 | Guest57798 | ish? |
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| 22:51.23 | abrotman | Guest57798: Ask #xubuntu, we support Debian here. |
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| 22:58.38 | n-st | The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon: |
| 22:58.38 | n-st | Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors |
| 22:58.46 | n-st | guess that's why it didn't boot⦠|
| 22:59.10 | n-st | well, running -t long now, let's see what that'll say |
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| 23:08.26 | tx1000 | i want to have a wireless internet connection, at present i connect to the internet via an ethernet cable. people here have told me that my laptop has a broadcom wireless chipset even though I believe it does not. How can find out the actual wireless chipset? |
| 23:08.57 | somiaj | tx1000: lspci for pci/onboard devices, (lsusb for a usb device) |
| 23:09.21 | tx1000 | http://hastebin.com/humavujiwu.css |
| 23:09.30 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: lspci -nnk |
| 23:09.35 | wallbroken | how to create an alias for network manager adapters? |
| 23:09.42 | wallbroken | the original name is too long |
| 23:09.44 | tx1000 | http://hastebin.com/ozikiculan.css |
| 23:09.51 | wallbroken | and exceeds in the nm popup |
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| 23:11.55 | tx1000 | Shadow_7, http://hastebin.com/yaciguzazo.css |
| 23:13.30 | tx1000 | somiaj, i am still trying to find out the actual built in wireless chipset the laptop has |
| 23:13.32 | somiaj | tx1000: I don't see a wireless card. The only card I see is your wired card which is a nvidia (nforce) card using the forcedeath driver. |
| 23:13.36 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: nothing on pci by the looks |
| 23:14.15 | somiaj | didn't see anything on the usb either. |
| 23:14.20 | somiaj | Have you disabled the wifi in your bios? |
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| 23:14.32 | lotsoftuna | woo |
| 23:14.39 | lotsoftuna | lib and rtorrent installed from deb |
| 23:14.54 | tx1000 | the laptop *did* access the internet via wireless on windows which is no longer installed. the bios does not have any wifi settings |
| 23:15.19 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: probably on usb bus then |
| 23:16.00 | somiaj | Shadow_7: http://hastebin.com/ozikiculan.css only thing I se on usb is bluetooth |
| 23:16.11 | tx1000 | exactly! |
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| 23:16.48 | Shadow_7 | bluetooth is poormans wifi for some things. Although not normally used for networking |
| 23:17.33 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: any fancy buttons with dots and half moons? |
| 23:17.34 | somiaj | tx1000: bluetooth is different than wifi. I guess you could tether over bluetooth and get internet that way, but this is not wifi. |
| 23:18.28 | somiaj | tx1000: but the output you have produced makes us think you don't have a wifi card or it is disabled somehow and not showing up. |
| 23:19.23 | Shadow_7 | or the device burned up and no longer shows itself to the bios. It could also be disabled via bios / uefi |
| 23:20.12 | Penix | tx1000: what is the laptop's exact model name/number? |
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| 23:20.38 | tx1000 | http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Pavilion-tx1000-Notebook-PC-series/3185026/model/3337836/document/c00845699 |
| 23:22.00 | somiaj | well that says it should have a wifi card, but I'm not seeing it. Are you sure you haven't disabled it in the bios? |
| 23:22.36 | tx1000 | the laptop *did* access the internet via wireless on windows which is no longer installed. the bios does not have any wifi settings |
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| 23:24.05 | iWaldo | i seem to remember using rdiff-backup to backup only the contents of a directory that are mounted on a certain filesytem. e.g. backing up / without pulling in subdirs that are mounted within / (data storage, /var, /home, and so on). i can't seem to find the option anywhere in the manpage. can anybody help? |
| 23:24.21 | Penix | tx1000: it supposedly has a BCM4312 on the PCI bus |
| 23:24.27 | iWaldo | err, 'contained' in a given filesystem, not 'mounted' |
| 23:24.37 | Penix | so there has to be some sort of kill switch or firmware setting |
| 23:24.59 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: seems like the bluetooth also does wifi |
| 23:25.06 | tx1000 | maybe |
| 23:25.39 | iWaldo | broadcom needs firmware/wrapper i believe |
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| 23:26.39 | iWaldo | if you're planning on using linux only i'd suggest ordering an intel wireless chipset that fits into your laptop. can be had for ~$20 and is simple to swap if you're comfortable opening up the chassis |
| 23:27.11 | tx1000 | broadcom needs firmware but neither dmesg nor lspci detect the wireless device or say something about missiong firmware |
| 23:27.16 | iWaldo | broadcom works fine in linux but it isn't clean |
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| 23:28.21 | tx1000 | iWaldo, money is too tight to mention |
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| 23:28.59 | iWaldo | tx1000: google "broadcom wifi linux" if you haven't already |
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| 23:29.16 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: you might try the b43 or b43legacy driver. b43fwcutter? and friends |
| 23:29.23 | iWaldo | i forget a lot of the specifics, but as i remember it isn't as pnp as intel |
| 23:29.39 | tx1000 | Shadow_7, did try that but it did not solve the problem |
| 23:30.08 | iWaldo | broadcom cards stopped me from picking up an XPS13 from dell |
| 23:30.31 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: there's a variety of broadcom firmwares. 1.5.100.138 is debians default iirc. But I have one that needs the 4.150.10.5 version... http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/ |
| 23:30.46 | iWaldo | could always swap the chip, but it is lazy on their part to put a broadcom in a laptop specifically targeted at linux |
| 23:31.04 | somiaj | tx1000: even broadcom devices will show up in lspci. Installing the driver isn't going to make them appear. |
| 23:31.50 | tx1000 | somiaj, https://www.broadcom.com/products/wireless-connectivity/bluetooth/bcm2045 |
| 23:32.14 | Shadow_7 | somiaj: it did technically show up under usb |
| 23:32.23 | tx1000 | thet is the only "wireless" device lsusb mentions |
| 23:33.05 | Shadow_7 | although usb wireless is notoriously under powered. I wouldn't expect much in range or speed even if it can be made to function. |
| 23:33.05 | iWaldo | so it isn't on the pci bus but on the usb one? |
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| 23:33.29 | somiaj | Shadow_7: I didn't see it there, I only saw the bluetooth. Or is this some crazy card that is both bluetooth and wifi? |
| 23:33.47 | Shadow_7 | the bluetooth is the wifi, according to model specsheet. |
| 23:34.09 | Shadow_7 | although probably only works with the broadcom provided drivers, not the kernel ones |
| 23:34.21 | tx1000 | iWaldo, , https://www.broadcom.com/products/wireless-connectivity/bluetooth/bcm2045 is bluetooth and not a b43 wireless device, you know what i mean? |
| 23:34.24 | somiaj | Shadow_7: I read that as it contained both a 802.1 wifi and a bluetooth card (It seems weird to me, but so does any company using broadcom) |
| 23:35.09 | Shadow_7 | my realtek 8723 is a dual wifi/bt card |
| 23:35.49 | lotsoftuna | rtorrent works!! http://puu.sh/lvaXd.png |
| 23:37.22 | tx1000 | http://pdf.eepw.com.cn/0/52e4a363586f8b53d7bded99c86e75e5.pdf is a bluetooth only device meaning it gives you only bluetooth functionality |
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| 23:43.37 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: seems like the windows driver download page shows a broadcom 4322AG 802.11 a/b/g/n-draft driver |
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| 23:45.15 | Shadow_7 | tx1000: for the tx1000z anyway |
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