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| 00:06.15 | wallbroken | somiaj, what "ifupdown" plugin into networkManager does? |
| 00:07.32 | somiaj | wallbroken: ifup and ifdown are the scripts that use the /etc/network/interfaces file to bring up and down interfaces mentinoed there. |
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| 00:08.01 | somiaj | wallbroken: if you are going to use network-manager I would remove your interfaces from the interfaces file and use network-manager and then don't use the ifup/ifdown scripts |
| 00:08.32 | somiaj | wallbroken: that being said, I'm unsure what the plugin does with netowkManager, except maybe give it the ability to run ifup/down. But if your goal is to use networkmanager, then don't use the interfaces file or ifup/down |
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| 00:09.06 | wallbroken | somiaj, it's enabled by default in network manager |
| 00:09.28 | wallbroken | [ifupdown] |
| 00:09.28 | wallbroken | managed=true |
| 00:09.41 | wallbroken | that's about network manager configuration |
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| 00:10.10 | somiaj | wallbroken: maybe it is the plugin that tells networkmanage to ignore devices in the interfaces file. |
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| 00:10.46 | somiaj | wallbroken: again if your goal is to use networkmanager, just remove your interfaces from the interfaces file and use networkmanager. Once you have no enteries (except for maybe lo) in your interfaces file, ifupdown won't do anything. |
| 00:11.10 | somiaj | wallbroken: I don't use networkmanager or know it well enough to give you more details about what that compadability plugin does. |
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| 00:12.21 | abrotman | wallbroken: have you tried reading the man page for that configuration file? |
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| 00:13.20 | abrotman | such as "man NetworkManager.conf" |
| 00:13.54 | wallbroken | somiaj, i have done what you said |
| 00:14.05 | wallbroken | but the behaviour is quite strange |
| 00:14.22 | somiaj | wallbroken: what is the behaviour? |
| 00:15.23 | wallbroken | let me show you with a screenshot |
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| 00:15.49 | Shadow_7 | about all I know of nm is that if an interface is defined in /etc/network/interfaces, then by default it is ignored by nm |
| 00:16.06 | wallbroken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/72bwol6i9luybjo/kkkk.png?dl=0 |
| 00:16.24 | wallbroken | i have only two interfaces: eth0 and eth1 |
| 00:16.58 | wallbroken | but in the nm menu there is only eth1 and some other stuff i don't know |
| 00:17.14 | wallbroken | network adapters are very long, and I don't want it |
| 00:18.03 | Shadow_7 | you can change the names in /etc/udev/rules.d/.... although a reboot to have them take affect |
| 00:18.21 | Shadow_7 | other means to that end, but a reboot is simpler |
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| 00:40.39 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I need to implement this on apache 2.4.10 on Jessie: SSLOpenSSLConfCmd |
| 00:40.52 | benstrumental | Anyone know the dpkg command to find out what files a .deb package will deploy and where they will be deployed? |
| 00:41.19 | abrotman | benstrumental: before or after installation ? |
| 00:41.21 | dimitry7 | but my installed version of openssl is 1.0.1k and that option is available in 1.0.2 |
| 00:41.25 | dimitry7 | what can I do? |
| 00:41.28 | Shadow_7 | benstrumental: dpkg -c file.deb |
| 00:41.29 | benstrumental | abrotman: Before |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell benstrumental about apt-file |
| 00:41.48 | Shadow_7 | I think there's an apt-cache --list or something too |
| 00:42.05 | benstrumental | Shadow_7: Exactly what I was looking for! |
| 00:42.11 | Shadow_7 | or something apt-file |
| 00:42.51 | benstrumental | One last packaging question - |
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| 00:44.54 | benstrumental | I am trying to deploy a package that has a binary that has many in-package dependencies (third-party, scripts, etc.) - would it be acceptable to deploy everything to something like /lib/mypkg and then have the symlinked binary live in /bin/ ? |
| 00:45.18 | abrotman | benstrumental: Do you want it to be accepted into Debian, or just a private repo? |
| 00:45.19 | benstrumental | Redirect me to a different channel if you must |
| 00:46.03 | benstrumental | abrotman: Is Debian the only repository that is available by default via apt-get install? |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | benstrumental: yes, for others |
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| 00:46.48 | benstrumental | abrotman: I am creating this package for my project so that users can easily install it. That's all I care about in the end of the day |
| 00:46.59 | Twirl | Hi, anyone knows a decent timer app? |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | benstrumental: You'd probably do better to adhere as closely as possible to the Debian guidelines in case you'd like to put it in Debian proper at some point |
| 00:47.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell benstrumental about nmg |
| 00:47.48 | benstrumental | abrotman: Oh I've read the nmg quite a bit |
| 00:47.51 | qman__ | Twirl: sleep ? |
| 00:48.17 | Twirl | qman__: im looking for something that flashes a message or sound at time intervals |
| 00:48.40 | benstrumental | abrotman: My question was not answered in the nmg |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | benstrumental: it tells you where to put files, no? |
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| 00:49.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell benstrumental about mentors |
| 00:49.57 | benstrumental | abrotman: Only in a general sense - not for projects that might deviate from the typical setup |
| 00:50.00 | qman__ | Twirl: something like sleep N; bell |
| 00:50.24 | qman__ | Where N is time in seconds and bell is your alarm tool |
| 00:50.43 | abrotman | benstrumental: then it wouldn't be accepted into Debian .. that's what I'm trying to say |
| 00:51.06 | Twirl | qman__: mmh that method looks complicated and incomplete, thats why im looking for a package |
| 00:51.11 | benstrumental | abrotman: Then let's say we don't care to be accepted into Debian for now. |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | benstrumental: then do whatever you want |
| 00:51.28 | qman__ | That's about as simple as it gets |
| 00:52.00 | benstrumental | abrotman: basically, whatever I want? |
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| 00:52.11 | abrotman | benstrumental: I mean, I owuldn't overwrite your kernel :) |
| 00:53.20 | benstrumental | abrotman: heh alright. |
| 00:53.56 | benstrumental | abrotman: So if I create a .deb package, and upload it to a private repository, users from a variety of linux distros will be able to install it? |
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| 00:54.56 | somiaj | benstrumental: you should create a .deb for each deb based distro you want to support. |
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| 00:55.26 | somiaj | benstrumental: Or it will be a lot of extra work (maybe make a static linkned large deb) to ensure that it is installable on a varity of different oses with different versions of the shared libaries. |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | benstrumental: you can, but you'll need to compile it for each one, unless it's a bunch of interpreted stuff |
| 00:55.42 | ExLibRiS | i have a problem again :/ |
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| 00:55.51 | benstrumental | somiaj: Does each linux distro have their own standards? Like is the Debian standard for the Debian distro? |
| 00:55.55 | ExLibRiS | userdel: user w3bchat1 is currently used by process 7996 i cant delete this user, what can I do? |
| 00:56.05 | abrotman | stop process 7996 |
| 00:56.23 | ExLibRiS | i tried, then i did userdel and it shows up a new process id |
| 00:56.25 | ExLibRiS | :/ |
| 00:56.33 | ExLibRiS | i used kill -9 id as root |
| 00:56.33 | benstrumental | abrotman: I'm going to take a shot at using fpm (https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm) |
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| 00:56.56 | somiaj | benstrumental: correct, each debian based distro has their own polices/standards which means you have to be vaerful when trying to make a .deb that will be intallable on multiple distros. STandard advise is build a repo for each distro you wish to support, and of course #debian will only suppportdebian proper |
| 00:57.40 | benstrumental | somiaj: Ah cool that clears things up a bit |
| 00:58.41 | Twirl | Depends: libgranite0 but it is not installable, what can i do? |
| 00:59.02 | Twirl | Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 00:59.38 | benstrumental | somiaj: Do you know why creating Debian packages is so much more involved than contributing packages to other package managers? |
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| 00:59.50 | dvs | Twirl: Use aptitude instead? |
| 01:00.02 | Twirl | dvs: how? |
| 01:00.33 | dvs | Twirl: Use the same command that you're using in apt-get with aptitude |
| 01:00.46 | benstrumental | somiaj: For example, creating a Homebrew formula for my project took an afternoon to figure out. For Debian I am forced to basically read a book and conform my package to very strict standards |
| 01:02.30 | Twirl | dvs: nice, doesnt help tho, it only gives me one solution and that is to not install the package :( |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | benstrumental: those standards create a very well working system |
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| 01:04.29 | benstrumental | abrotman: From my experiences, it appears homebrew package manager works just as well and cleanly as dpkg |
| 01:04.45 | abrotman | benstrumental: I meant the OS as a whole :) |
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| 01:04.52 | ExLibRiS | abrotman: i restarted the machine and now it worked, thanks :) |
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| 01:05.22 | somiaj | benstrumental: Also think of the shere number of different combinations debian supports. These standards ensure things play nicely together. |
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| 01:06.10 | benstrumental | Maybe there is more to the dpkg system I am unaware of |
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| 01:07.10 | Shadow_7 | well, from a certain pov, apt is a front end to dpkg |
| 01:07.17 | abrotman | not what he's asking about |
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| 01:12.07 | Twirl | that guy must really enjoy cheese |
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| 01:23.39 | matat | a |
| 01:23.54 | matat | Yo. I am running a program (keepassx) on my desktop and it looks like a windows 98 theme on almost. I see other people running it in screenshots and it looks different from mine. I have already checked that I am running the same version as them. Anyone have any idea why this is happening? |
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| 01:24.18 | matat | i am running xfce |
| 01:24.25 | matat | if that would make a difference |
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| 01:27.15 | SirLagz | matat: yes, your WM makes all the difference |
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| 01:28.35 | simonlnu | pats debhelper |
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| 01:33.54 | matat | SirLagz, i never knew that |
| 01:34.13 | Shadow_7 | I tend towards boring wms... 1px border and I can change it to 2px and yellow |
| 01:34.21 | SirLagz | matat: your WM is what themes your GUI |
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| 01:35.54 | matat | i was thinking it was my WM but i wasn't sure |
| 01:35.58 | somiaj | (the windows themselves may use their own widget set or the gtk/qt/other widge set theme) |
| 01:36.08 | matat | thanks for answer |
| 01:36.09 | somiaj | but the decorations around the window is the wm |
| 01:37.15 | Shadow_7 | And then there's wmcrtl to position and size unruly things |
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| 01:44.42 | Zhaofeng_Li | Just got a cheap Win10 tablet. Trying to put Debian on it. |
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| 01:53.16 | Zhaofeng_Li | Installation just works out of the box. Amazing. |
| 01:53.31 | Zhaofeng_Li | The tablet has Secure Boot disabled by default. |
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| 02:03.45 | matat | Zhaofeng_Li, i have a laptop with secure boot |
| 02:03.48 | matat | pia to mess with |
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| 02:06.20 | buu | So how do I make ls -c | head -10 | du -hsc; actually work |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | what are you trying to do? |
| 02:07.15 | ryouma | buu: du --files-from0? |
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| 02:07.22 | buu | Get the combined file size of the 10 most recent files |
| 02:07.33 | Shadow_7 | my laptop lets me disable that... and has a spam ESC too boot usb option. technically never have to boot the windows that came with it |
| 02:07.51 | Zhaofeng_Li | matat: Very true. |
| 02:07.59 | ryouma | buu: perhaps you can use awk, or wc even |
| 02:08.10 | buu | ryouma: This does not feel me with joy |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | buu: it seems to work for me? |
| 02:08.54 | buu | wait what |
| 02:08.57 | ryouma | buu: yeah it can be annoying to script things |
| 02:09.49 | abrotman | buu: oh, only the 10 most recent files .. |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | buu: ls -c | head -10 | xargs du -shc |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | you'll have to grep total, or tail -1 |
| 02:10.55 | buu | abrotman: Uh, what happens if a file has a space in it? |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | no one does that, it's silly |
| 02:11.13 | buu | good point |
| 02:11.17 | buu | ... |
| 02:11.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:11.28 | buu | Seriously why doesn't xargs have a "read line" option |
| 02:11.41 | buu | That has to be like 99% of the time its used |
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| 02:12.25 | buu | ls -c | head -10 | perl -le'system("du", "-hsc", <STDIN>)' |
| 02:12.52 | buu | Well, almost. |
| 02:13.45 | buu | Life is hard |
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| 02:18.08 | abrotman | buu: you turn everything into perl :) |
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| 02:20.39 | dvs | turns everything into a nail |
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| 02:21.50 | abrotman | dvs: do you have an emory board? |
| 02:22.01 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:24.24 | buu | abrotman: I try very hard! |
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| 02:27.27 | Zhaofeng_Li | Got a base system installed. Everything has been working fine. :D |
| 02:27.34 | Zhaofeng_Li | is now installing GNOME |
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| 02:28.38 | Zhaofeng_Li | I'm wondering if the touchscreen will work out of the box. We will see. |
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| 02:44.08 | hendry | i have a system that's out of disk space but df reports GBs free. I'm using ext4 btw! http://ix.io/mpV |
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| 02:44.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
| 02:44.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to find the xvid driver for linux |
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| 02:44.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | what library would that be in? |
| 02:45.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | my hd video works great but xvid seems to suck and be gray |
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| 02:48.32 | abrotman | hendry: could indicate FS issues, might need to fsck (or indicates an open file that you beelieve ytou've removed) |
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| 02:58.18 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, will openssl 1.0.2 be ever be available for Debian Jessie? |
| 02:58.33 | dvs | dimitry7: doubt it |
| 03:00.00 | dimitry7 | dvs, :S .. I need to use this parameter in apache: SSLOpenSSLConfCmd |
| 03:00.15 | dimitry7 | but it's only supported in 1.0.2, can I upgrade from backports? |
| 03:00.27 | dvs | dimitry7: if it's there |
| 03:00.32 | dvs | ,v openssl |
| 03:00.33 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze21; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; jessie: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u1; sid: 1.0.2d-3; stretch: 1.0.2d-3 |
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| 03:02.01 | dimitry7 | dvs, is not in backports inly in sid |
| 03:02.03 | dimitry7 | * only |
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| 03:04.08 | abrotman | dimitry7: what do oyu need from it? |
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| 03:06.38 | dimitry7 | abrotman, well I was following this guide: https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Strong_SSL_Security_On_Apache2.html |
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| 03:07.05 | dimitry7 | I tried to append the DHparams to the certificate but didn't increase the score |
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| 03:56.01 | grepper | hi. what does it mean if a package is marked 'ri' in the 1st column when you do dpkg -l ? I thought r was 'remove' and i was 'install', so its confusing. |
| 03:56.14 | abrotman | there are headings at the top that tell you |
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| 03:57.02 | abrotman | grepper: does that make sense? |
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| 03:58.43 | grepper | abrotman: I'm still confused about it |
| 04:00.54 | abrotman | grepper: you requested it be removed, and it's currently installed |
| 04:01.55 | grepper | not sure how I did that ... |
| 04:02.11 | grepper | an effect of an upgrade perhaps ? |
| 04:02.19 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 04:05.12 | grepper | strange that apt-get -f install didn't do anything - I run it after doing upgrades as a matter of course |
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| 04:06.57 | cybernaut | fun question I noticed seamonkey is available via pre built binary is it possible to build it and install it under debian or do I have to do it straight from source manually? |
| 04:07.16 | somiaj | ,v iceape |
| 04:07.16 | cybernaut | s/ is / is not / |
| 04:07.17 | judd | Package: iceape on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.0.11-17 |
| 04:07.48 | somiaj | cybernaut: any reason you want seamonkey over firefox (iceweasel) plus thunderbird (icedove) |
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| 04:09.23 | cybernaut | soniaj firefox barely works on anything I've found and has awesome security issues. I stopped using it a year ago as a consequence. |
| 04:10.12 | cybernaut | somiaj if I could only spell too :D |
| 04:10.43 | somiaj | And what makes you think seamonkey has better security issues. At least firefox is activally matained and secirty fixes common somewhat often. |
| 04:12.19 | somiaj | cybernaut: anyways debian stopped provided seamonkey (iceape) a few releases ago. I think the issue had to do with security support. |
| 04:12.38 | somiaj | So yes if you want to use seamonkey you will have to install and matain security upates yourself. |
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| 04:13.01 | somiaj | In debian both iceweasel (firefox esr release) and chromium are the only browsers that will have active security support. |
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| 04:13.57 | cybernaut | somiaj I sea. I've been using seamonkey under gentoo and mostly use the build process for updates. |
| 04:14.27 | somiaj | Yea I wasn't able to track down a bug report more than saying removing iceape (seamonkey) due to no security support and not being supported by debian. |
| 04:14.41 | somiaj | So in this case you are on your own to manage installing it and keeping it secure. |
| 04:14.55 | somiaj | note, debian works just fine with stuff installed in /usr/local |
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| 04:16.44 | cybernaut | somiaj Hmmm gotcha thanks hmmm so there won't be an issue with freetype6 so in /usr/local? I noticed installing the normal seamonkey bin it seemed to have been built with a different library location for freetype. |
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| 04:17.30 | somiaj | cybernaut: libaries and binaries in /usr/local will take priority over those installed by dpkg in /usr, so this could be an issue if you have a conflict. |
| 04:17.53 | somiaj | cybernaut: I'm unsure about freetype6, and provided it isn't a libary conflict with the freetype in jessie I don't think it would be a matter |
| 04:18.02 | ryouma | how does one downgrade iceweasel from 42.0-1~bpo80+1 to the esr version? just "aptitude purge iceweasel; aptitude install iceweasel/jessie"? |
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| 04:18.19 | somiaj | though I would also think it hsould be possible to build it to link to the debian freetype libaries. you need to install the libfoo-dev package to get the headers for this. |
| 04:18.32 | somiaj | ryouma: apt-cache policy icewasel |
| 04:18.44 | somiaj | ryouma: get the version you want to install. apt-get install iceweasel=version |
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| 04:19.08 | ryouma | thanks |
| 04:19.48 | cybernaut | tries something. |
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| 04:20.47 | ryouma | somiaj: if i do that will the xul-ext packages work? |
| 04:21.07 | we6jbo2 | Hi |
| 04:21.14 | somiaj | ryouma: it should pull in the dependencies needed. |
| 04:21.31 | somiaj | ryouma: note you can probabaly remove the unused newer xul package with apt-get autoremove after |
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| 04:21.47 | cybernaut | this is the specific error I get if installing it under debian either /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/local/bin/seamonkey/libxul.so: |
| 04:21.47 | cybernaut | libfreetype.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:21.47 | cybernaut | Couldn't load XPCOM. |
| 04:22.02 | ryouma | somiaj: i ask because the xul-ext packages (firefox extensions) tend to break on new versions. so i figured if esr is sometimes upgraded (is it?) they do too |
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| 04:22.30 | ryouma | there are no newer xul-ext packages than jessie regular version |
| 04:22.32 | we6jbo2 | I have a Lenovo H50 series computer w/ win10. Is there anything I need to know in order to remove the OS and everything else and install Debian in place? |
| 04:22.39 | ryouma | (well, except for testing or sid) |
| 04:22.49 | ryouma | (which i do not use) |
| 04:24.15 | jaggzt | I just came back to my computer and noticed a window pop up: "Server Authentication - Plasma Desktop Shell" "The server failed the authenticity check (dot.kde.org). The certificate authority's certificate is invalid. The root certificate authority's certificate is not trusted for this purpose." Why was KDE contacting dot.kde.org in the first place? |
| 04:24.34 | somiaj | cybernaut: so are you building seamonkey, or just using the binary tar and need to ensure you have the right libaries installed? |
| 04:24.47 | somiaj | ,v libfreetype6 |
| 04:24.48 | judd | Package: libfreetype6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.4.2-2.1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 2.4.2-2.1+squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.4.2-2.1+squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.4.9-1.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u2; jessie: 2.5.2-3; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.5.2-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.5.2-3+deb8u1; |
| 04:24.49 | judd | stretch: 2.6-2; sid: 2.6.1-0.1 |
| 04:25.05 | somiaj | cybernaut: do you have libfreetype6 (or libfreetype6-dev for buildling |
| 04:25.08 | somiaj | cybernaut: installed? |
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| 04:30.25 | jaggzt | I only have taskbars on one of my screens now |
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| 04:30.37 | cybernaut | somiaj apper says I do but its location is a bit of a mystery |
| 04:30.37 | jaggzt | so it looks like that crashed |
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| 04:40.41 | cybernaut | also apt libfreetype6 returns that 'newest version installed' so it's installed just not sure where. |
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| 04:54.59 | Zhaofeng_Li | Quick question: Where are the logs for gdm stored? |
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| 05:01.20 | cybernaut | somiaj: I decided to try the debian build on this page https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_SeaMonkey_build |
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| 05:05.39 | __john_doe__ | hey guys, how can I set python3 to be default python on my system. If I create just an alias, installed python packages are not visible to python3 |
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| 05:21.21 | jelly | __john_doe__: short answer is: you don't. If you need python3, call python3 |
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| 05:23.29 | jelly | __john_doe__: this conforms to https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ |
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| 05:30.10 | __john_doe__ | jelly: I see, so the problem was that I intalled packages using pip and python3 didn't see them. However there's pyhon3-pip, Ill try to use that one |
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| 05:32.12 | __john_doe__ | it worked |
| 05:32.16 | __john_doe__ | thx for suggestion |
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| 06:17.32 | bronse | So, after installing Debian, I try to use sudo and am told that I am not on the sudoers list. So I elevate my account to administrator and reboot. Then sudo works, but apt-get can't find any packages I tried apt-get update with no change. Can someone help me out? |
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| 06:20.32 | rwp | bronse, What release track? Any errors from apt-get update? What is in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 06:22.01 | bronse | rwp, no erros for update. |
| 06:22.08 | dgriffi | where do the Automake / Autoconf wonks hang out? |
| 06:22.32 | rwp | dgriffi, Mostly on the automake@gnu.org and autoconf@gnu.org maiing lists. |
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| 06:23.19 | dgriffi | I have what should be a simple question |
| 06:23.28 | rwp | dgriffi, No idea. But I see most activity on the mailing lists. But perhaps you can find someone on irc. |
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| 06:23.46 | rwp | dgriffi, How simple? What's your question? |
| 06:24.20 | bronse | rwp, how to open the .list file without installing a text editor? I've used emacs for everything before but i can't get it now |
| 06:25.08 | rwp | bronse, Is 'less' installed? 'less /etc/apt/sources.list' or just cat the file since it is short. 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 06:25.13 | dgriffi | rwp: I have a Makefile.am file that looks like this: http://pastebin.com/zw6dRqka and when I do "make dist" to roll it all up, those perl scripts are missing from the resulting tarball and from my working directory (fortunately I still have them because of git) |
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| 06:25.24 | rwp | bronse, Don't paste it here. To long. It would be a flood. Just look it over. |
| 06:25.43 | rwp | bronse, Feel free to pastebin it. |
| 06:26.00 | rwp | dgriffi, Looking... |
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| 06:26.50 | dgriffi | rwp: the whole project is at https://github.com/DavidGriffith/inform6unix |
| 06:27.01 | rwp | dgriffi, Your CLEANFILES should not be including your source files. That is why they get cleaned. |
| 06:27.41 | rwp | dgriffi, Cloning it to take a deeper look at it. |
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| 06:29.43 | bronse2 | rwp, this is bronse on another machine. paste bin is here: http://pastebin.com/tNZxXMXu |
| 06:29.53 | dgriffi | rwp: this also happens with the manpage in manual/inform.1 |
| 06:30.01 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:30.07 | bronse2 | I dont know what sources.list is supposed to look like |
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| 06:31.11 | rwp | bronse2, You are missing all of the normal sources from that file. Let me paste something back to you. |
| 06:31.36 | darxmurf | bronse2: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 06:36.57 | rwp | bronse2, Try making it look like this: http://pastebin.com/3aYAQjzG |
| 06:37.51 | bronse2 | rwp, thank you man. I'm trying to figure out how to edit this file with gedit. it doesn't seem to want to allow me to change the file. |
| 06:38.18 | rwp | You will need to be root to edit the file. You said you had sudo set for you? |
| 06:38.35 | dgriffi | rwp: okay, that problem with the perl scripts is fixed. now for the manpage that keeps disappearing? |
| 06:38.45 | bronse2 | rwp, oh, i figured it out. sudo gedit /././file |
| 06:39.08 | rwp | dgriffi, I hadn't forgotten about you. :-) |
| 06:39.43 | rwp | dgriffi, Normally one converts the perl .pl source into non-.pl named filenames. Those get cleaned in CLEANFILES. |
| 06:39.52 | rwp | dgriffi, Almost the same thing for man page sources. |
| 06:42.07 | dgriffi | rwp: well, the manpage one looks like this: http://pastebin.com/huPK5YBm |
| 06:42.07 | bronse2 | rwp, the problem was resolved after editing the file and performing one more update. Do you know how the file migh have got that way? I simply installed debian and then gave my account admin priv and then performed an apt update. I didn't have an oppurtunity to mess anything up.... |
| 06:42.22 | dgriffi | rwp: I don't see where the rule to delete it is |
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| 06:43.10 | rwp | dgriffi, There are many different ways to do things. This is the way I usually do perl scripts with automake. http://paste.debian.net/335143/ |
| 06:44.02 | rwp | bronse2, If you install off the network then the debian-installer can't place the network sources in the file or it will cause errors. Therefore it leaves it out if installed off the network. |
| 06:44.27 | rwp | I assume you installed off the network and that is how it arrived at that place. |
| 06:44.51 | bronse2 | rwp, off network? you mean in the absence of an internet connection? |
| 06:44.59 | rwp | Yes. Exactly. |
| 06:45.17 | rwp | As in installed from cdrom or usbimage but no network. |
| 06:45.27 | dgriffi | rwp: nice |
| 06:45.36 | bronse2 | huh. thank you. you are a hero for answering all these questions simultaneously |
| 06:46.03 | rwp | What I find interesting is that the security archive is always installed regardless. I imagine that section of code in the d-i must be written by a different person. |
| 06:46.35 | rwp | And I am watching Orange is the new Black on Netflix at the same time too! :-) |
| 06:46.41 | rwp | Just kicking back and chilaxing a little. |
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| 06:47.09 | bronse2 | Ah yes. I have heard many good things about that show. |
| 06:48.02 | bronse2 | House of Cards is really good too. Personal fave. |
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| 06:49.43 | blz37 | I tried to install nvidia directly. |
| 06:50.45 | rwp | dgriffi, It looks like that project is written for an older version of automake/autoconf. Names are .in instead of .ac. INCLUDES instead of AM_CPPFLAGS. |
| 06:51.09 | blz37 | That didn't work because I ran into "could not find by module name='nvidia_current_updates' and modprobe could not insert 'nvidia_current_updates': Function not implemented error. |
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| 06:51.40 | blz37 | I tried to remove everything and install debian non-free nvidia driver from apt repository. I am getting the same error. |
| 06:51.43 | dgriffi | rwp: it is. that's something I've been meaning to remedy once I get this manpage nit picked |
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| 06:52.41 | blz37 | any help is appreciated. I am running 4.2.6-1 on sid. |
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| 06:57.13 | towo^work | blz37, dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 06:57.15 | rwp | dgriffi, I wrote this some time ago but you might still find it useful for upgrading to a newer set of autotools. http://www.proulx.com/~bob/doc/HOWTO-autotools.html |
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| 06:59.27 | blz37 | too^work, what is a good place to paste ? I am guessing not in the channel. Would pastebin work ? |
| 06:59.39 | dgriffi | blz37: pastbin is great |
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| 07:00.38 | rwp | blz37, http://paste.debian.net/ is nice |
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| 07:02.50 | blz37 | pastebin.com/AGRcTwPM |
| 07:04.44 | blz37 | paste.debian.net/335155 |
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| 07:07.07 | zch | Why don't I have man pages for gcc or cc on debian 8? |
| 07:07.12 | zch | on ubuntu there are man pages for both gcc and cc |
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| 07:08.55 | rwp | zch, Do you have gcc-doc installed? |
| 07:09.48 | zch | rwp: Package gcc-doc is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 07:09.51 | zch | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 07:09.53 | zch | is only available from another source |
| 07:09.55 | zch | E: Package 'gcc-doc' has no installation candidate |
| 07:10.51 | blz37 | towo^work anything that you can see missing ? |
| 07:11.09 | rwp | Hmm... I guess the docs have the dreaded GNU FDL license and are therefore relegated to contrib and non-free. |
| 07:11.34 | rwp | zch, Add contrib (at least, possibly non-free) to your sources.list file, update, and then gcc-doc should be available. |
| 07:11.41 | towo^work | blz37, have you ever played with the run-installer from nvidia? |
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| 07:11.54 | zch | rwp: So I have to install non-free software to access documentation for free software? |
| 07:12.02 | rwp | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gcc-doc |
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| 07:12.29 | rwp | zch, Yes. Exactly. Because the two most active free(dom) software organizations can't agree on it. |
| 07:12.36 | zch | ffs |
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| 07:13.17 | blz37 | towo^work, yes. That's when I get this error. After uninstalling that, the error still persists with nvidia* from apt. |
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| 07:14.43 | blz37 | towo^work, 'dkms status' also says "diff between built and installed version". |
| 07:14.53 | towo^work | blz37, what i would try, apt purge nvidia-kernel-4.2.0-1-amd64 nvidia-kernel-source |
| 07:15.05 | blz37 | ok. |
| 07:15.13 | towo^work | blz37, then dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 07:15.46 | towo^work | blz37, but i think, there are some files leftover fron the nvidia run-installer |
| 07:16.22 | blz37 | towo^work, I did try that but will try again. |
| 07:17.01 | blz37 | I should reboot it afterwards? |
| 07:18.18 | rwp | zch, Actually to be more precise the documentation itself has a non-free license and therefore must be in the non-free section. |
| 07:18.39 | blz37 | dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms found the exact version of the driver. I am using --force. |
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| 07:18.57 | blz37 | same result. |
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| 07:20.43 | blz37 | modprobe nvidia-current works |
| 07:21.27 | zch | rwp: Why can't everything just be free software *sigh* |
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| 07:21.35 | smaug23 | hi |
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| 07:23.12 | rwp | zch, Yes. Can't we all get along? |
| 07:23.34 | blz37 | rebooting |
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| 07:24.19 | zch | rwp: So is that license issue more of a 'my freedom is better than yours' arugment? |
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| 07:25.26 | rwp | zch, rms wrote the FDL in the old days with the idea that being nonfree it would encourage publishers to publish actual paper books because the doc is restricted. |
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| 07:26.10 | rwp | zch, But of course having restrictions in the license makes it nonfree. |
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| 07:28.34 | bronse | rwp, what are the pratical implications of a package being non-free? |
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| 07:28.38 | blz37 | back, no avail. |
| 07:29.17 | rwp | bronse, Debian's Social Contract says that Debian will be completely free(dom) software. Therefore non-free cannot be part of Debian. |
| 07:29.20 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 07:29.54 | rwp | bronse, That is why it isn't in the "main" section but pushed off to non-free. Which means that if you want it that you have to add it yourself. |
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| 07:30.05 | bronse | rwp, can I use non-free stuff in software that I write and distribute freely? |
| 07:30.05 | blz37 | actually, changing aliasing nvidia to nvidia-current instead of nvidia-current-updates helps. |
| 07:30.08 | rwp | But other than adding in non-free to the sources.list yourself there is little other difference. |
| 07:30.23 | blz37 | Now, I just have to figure out how to start the xorg server. |
| 07:30.31 | galex-713 | Itâs really strange, sometimes (like when opening iceweasel) computer loads increase from 0.8 to 15, everything freezes or becomes really slow and I noticed trough htop that every process is duplicated 2 (in the case of bittorrent for instance), 3, 4 (in the case of pidgin) or several dozens of time (in the case of iceweasel) |
| 07:30.38 | galex-713 | What could cause that? |
| 07:30.49 | rwp | bronse, Yes. Sure. As long as you comply with the restriction. The FDL in particular has "invarient" sections that can't be modified. |
| 07:31.10 | galex-713 | Oh and even emacs is replicated 7 times |
| 07:31.19 | galex-713 | In different process with different PID etc. |
| 07:31.21 | rwp | galex-713, Any disk errors reportd in /var/log/syslog? |
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| 07:33.05 | trewas | galex-713: htop shows threads separately by default so if a program uses many threads (like firefox) it shows up multiple times |
| 07:33.38 | galex-713 | trewas: yes but 30 thread for only 1 tab without javascript? |
| 07:33.43 | rwp | Yes on htop and threads. Use 'H' to hide user threads. |
| 07:33.49 | galex-713 | And it seems everything forked at least 3 times |
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| 07:34.30 | galex-713 | Oh yeah with H processes stops to be replicated a lot |
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| 07:34.47 | galex-713 | But how can a thread have differents PID? |
| 07:34.52 | galex-713 | *threads |
| 07:35.34 | trewas | galex-713: I have 60 firefox threads with two tabs (although one of them is gmail so quite javascript-heavy) |
| 07:36.02 | dgriffi | amazon, I've noticed, is quite heavy on firefox |
| 07:36.25 | galex-713 | My only tab at this moment was âsession restoreâ |
| 07:36.39 | galex-713 | In syslog I see this regulary: âNov 23 08:22:53 X60T713 hdapsd[737]: Mon Nov 23 08:22:53 2015: Error! Not parked when we thought we were... (paged out and timer expired?)â but no more |
| 07:36.39 | galex-713 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.05 | galex-713 | But how can threads have differents PIDs? |
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| 07:38.54 | galex-713 | trewas: ^ |
| 07:39.03 | galex-713 | rwp: ^ |
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| 07:40.01 | bz | segfaults in qemu-arm-static |
| 07:40.03 | bz | gg |
| 07:41.19 | rwp | galex-713, AFAIK that is just how threads are implemented. |
| 07:41.39 | galex-713 | ah ok |
| 07:41.41 | galex-713 | Also I donât understand how everything can slow/freezes (even the mouse cursor!) for only 1 non-heavy tab (normally itâs fine!)⦠can that be due to memory leaks? hardware problems? |
| 07:42.03 | rwp | How much ram do you have? |
| 07:42.24 | galex-713 | 3GiB |
| 07:42.33 | rwp | Same as my on my laptop right now. |
| 07:42.42 | galex-713 | well no 3030MB |
| 07:42.44 | galex-713 | Ok |
| 07:42.51 | trewas | galex-713: I think htop takes some liberties how it shows the PID, with ps -eLF each firefox thread shows the same PID and PPID, but different LWP (which is what htop shows) |
| 07:43.01 | rwp | In htop look at the memory bar graph. How much is green and how much is blue+yellow? |
| 07:43.04 | bronse | Can someone tell me what the shortcut to get to the terminal is in Gnome? There has to be one. |
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| 07:43.41 | galex-713 | rwp: 8/10 are yellow, and Iâd say 1/10 green with a bit of blue after |
| 07:44.15 | rwp | That would be a good indication. green is userland programs consuming memory. blue is I/O buffers. yellow is file system buffer cache. |
| 07:44.16 | galex-713 | (what do mean these colors?) |
| 07:44.24 | galex-713 | Ok |
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| 07:44.40 | rwp | Having up to about half as userland programs is okay. But more than that starves the file system cache of memory. |
| 07:44.46 | galex-713 | And whatâs red? |
| 07:44.59 | galex-713 | (I see it for swap and CPUs) |
| 07:45.02 | rwp | Type 'h' or '?' to get the help page on htop. It will explain the colors. |
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| 07:45.39 | galex-713 | okkk |
| 07:45.47 | galex-713 | thank you ^^ |
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| 07:46.08 | rwp | Usually when machines pause it is because the system is bottlenecked with I/O. Could be swapping. Could be other things. |
| 07:46.16 | galex-713 | But well, when everything becomes slow ram isnât particularly full, only CPU load increases a lot |
| 07:46.29 | rwp | Try 'vmstat' and look at the si/so (swapin/swapout) fields. |
| 07:46.30 | galex-713 | Like to 18 |
| 07:46.33 | galex-713 | (dual core) |
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| 07:46.55 | rwp | Install 'iotop' and look at how much disk I/O is happening. |
| 07:46.57 | galex-713 | si:3 so:40 |
| 07:47.10 | rwp | 18 is what? |
| 07:47.21 | galex-713 | CPU load |
| 07:47.32 | rwp | That does seem excessive. |
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| 07:47.36 | galex-713 | yes |
| 07:47.40 | galex-713 | Normally it is under 1 |
| 07:47.54 | rwp | Load is reported as the number of processes in the run queue. The run queue holds tasks that are ready to run. |
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| 07:48.14 | rwp | But they may not be actually running. If they are blocked on I/O then they will be returned to the run queue. |
| 07:48.22 | galex-713 | ok |
| 07:48.26 | rwp | That is the usual reason the run queue grows. |
| 07:48.45 | galex-713 | But how could that slow everything? |
| 07:49.11 | rwp | The slow symptom is why I was thinking it might be due to swapping or I/O bottleneck. |
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| 07:49.14 | galex-713 | Or even if it were iceweasel taking all the CPU canât the OS just limit that? |
| 07:49.29 | rwp | Sorry if I am fuzzy on this remotely. It is hard to diagnose things remotely. :-( |
| 07:50.04 | galex-713 | When I say slow it means: mouse doesnât move or with a delay, most of programs temporarly freeze, and I canât even change windows the usual way (with keys, on my tiling wm) |
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| 07:50.38 | galex-713 | rwp: yes I can imagine ^^" not a problem it is already really nice to try to help me :) |
| 07:50.50 | jelly | galex-713: run "vmstat 1", paste a couple dozen lines |
| 07:51.04 | rwp | I would also look in /var/log/syslog for any errors being reported. |
| 07:51.14 | galex-713 | Erm |
| 07:51.18 | jelly | the first line is always bogus |
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| 07:51.29 | galex-713 | jelly: ok Iâll try to open iceweasel again for that |
| 07:51.37 | galex-713 | Hoping it doesnât disconnect me from IRC again |
| 07:51.39 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 07:51.40 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 07:52.09 | galex-713 | ohhhhh |
| 07:52.11 | galex-713 | thatâs nice |
| 07:52.23 | galex-713 | I was just wondering if a such cl tool existed :D |
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| 07:53.04 | Zhaofeng_Li | Just got some problem with GNOME 3. How can I debug a "Oh no, something has gone wrong" condition? |
| 07:53.09 | Zhaofeng_Li | is really frustrated here |
| 07:53.09 | galex-713 | I just need my apt-get update to end ^^" |
| 07:53.50 | Zhaofeng_Li | It's a cheap Cherry Trail-based tablet, by the way. |
| 07:54.01 | sipi | I have installed 3rd version of Debian in VM VirtualBox, but still getting, 'cannot execute binary file' may someone please assist me with this? |
| 07:54.31 | Zhaofeng_Li | Okay, I guess I've found some interesting lines in /var/log/messages |
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| 07:57.41 | Tordek | is there any way to see what is causing the conflicts in a package in synaptic? I'm trying to upgrade my Stable system to Testing, but there's a couple of broken packages |
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| 07:59.07 | Zhaofeng_Li | Could some one help me out? The relevant logs are here: http://paste.debian.net/335178/ |
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| 08:00.11 | Zhaofeng_Li | It seems to suggest some dbus errors, but I'm not sure. |
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| 08:15.40 | blar1 | anybody here? |
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| 08:18.22 | blar1 | just upgraded to jessie and i've got a host of issues in gnome, on top of not being able to mount my external harddrive; already reinstalled gdm and gnome-shell; can anybody offer some guidance? |
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| 08:18.45 | berarma | Zhaofeng_Li, which Debian version? are you using gnome extensions? |
| 08:19.19 | Zhaofeng_Li | berarma: It's a clean install of 8.2.0 (GNOME installed with tasksel). |
| 08:19.28 | Zhaofeng_Li | debian-8.2.0-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso |
| 08:19.43 | blar1 | debian: 8.2 |
| 08:19.52 | Zhaofeng_Li | xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed, by the way. |
| 08:20.00 | blar1 | gnome shell 3.14.4 |
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| 08:21.27 | somiaj | Zhaofeng_Li: also you shouln't cross post. Now you have pepople helpoing you on two networks |
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| 08:23.06 | Zhaofeng_Li | somiaj: Ah, I'm sorry. I'll just stick with OFTC then. |
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| 08:37.17 | anddam | I used a preinstalled jessie image offered by my vps provider, this is using sysV style init scripts but then i see init calls a few upstart-* processes |
| 08:37.34 | anddam | is this an upstart setup with sysvinit compatilibity? |
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| 08:38.16 | jelly | anddam: what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say |
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| 08:38.32 | anddam | I used old (plain?) sysvinit until systemd and then switched to that, I rember upstart being another, different centralized init system used e.g. by ubuntu |
| 08:38.47 | anddam | jelly: init |
| 08:39.07 | jelly | anddam: ha. dpkg -S /sbin/init |
| 08:39.07 | anddam | I figure comm stands for command |
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| 08:39.29 | anddam | "upstart", case closed. |
| 08:39.33 | anddam | thanks |
| 08:39.50 | anddam | then I figure /comm in /proc/N is argv[0] |
| 08:40.02 | jelly | we've seen openvz-based vps images run with upstart |
| 08:40.07 | anddam | bingo |
| 08:40.18 | anddam | openvz is cheaper |
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| 08:41.37 | jelly | yes it's argv[0], also the easiest way to identify systemd being in place |
| 08:43.44 | jelly | or it's an argv[0]-like linux-specific "command name" value, says proc(5) man page |
| 08:44.31 | jelly | /proc/1/cmdline -> /sbin/init, but /proc/1/comm -> systemd on jessie |
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| 09:00.31 | ZinovaS_w5 | hi, I have initrd repacked with preseed.cfg and booting via pxe. how could I insert my custom script after network configuration in the installation process? |
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| 09:15.09 | psopacua | Hi, is their any possibility to install debian jessie from live cd ? |
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| 09:16.06 | psopacua | because when i open debian-installer-launcher.desktop it opens a editfor |
| 09:17.32 | CQ | is there a special minimal jessie installer? |
| 09:17.50 | CQ | the main installer doesn't work for me |
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| 09:31.31 | psopacua | Nowhere an explanation how to install from liveCD |
| 09:31.50 | CQ | hello, anyone in the mood to help me get an installer working? Both the jessie and wheezy amd64 installers bootloop on my MSI g45m Motherboard... I'm about to try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_alpha4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-stretch-DI-alpha4-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 09:31.57 | CQ | no luck with that either, same boot loop... |
| 09:34.22 | bijan_ | When logging into ubuntu 14.04.03 LTS via SSH I get a nice status welcome message including CPU usage Memory Usage Disk allocation etc. How is that easily possible in Debian? |
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| 09:36.06 | bumbar_ | anyone knows when boost 1.56, or newer, will get put into debian repo? |
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| 09:37.11 | CQ | bijan_: I use gkrellm to monitor all that... |
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| 09:37.31 | NiLon | bijan_ you could copy the motd script :p |
| 09:37.33 | Zharf | wow, people still use gkrellm? :o |
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| 09:38.05 | CQ | bijan_: https://packages.debian.org/sid/libboost-dev ... 1.58 is in experimental |
| 09:38.10 | bijan_ | NiLon: okay sounds good... located here? /etc/motd ? |
| 09:38.14 | CQ | err, bumbar_ |
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| 09:38.39 | CQ | Zharf: it does the job and I haven't looked for something better : ) |
| 09:38.49 | NiLon | bijan_ it's maybe link to something |
| 09:38.50 | Zharf | I think I used it around 11 years ago |
| 09:38.50 | bijan_ | CQ: gkrellm seems to be an gui app |
| 09:40.07 | CQ | bijan_: sorry, missed the ssh part |
| 09:40.20 | bijan_ | np thx anyways |
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| 09:41.53 | psopacua | Hi, is their any possibility to install debian jessie from live cd ? |
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| 09:42.36 | Zharf | bijan_, https://nickcharlton.net/posts/debian-ubuntu-dynamic-motd.html |
| 09:43.19 | Zharf | I haven't tried it, but it seems to be talking about what you want |
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| 09:44.13 | bijan_ | https://oitibs.com/debian-jessie-dynamic-motd/ |
| 09:44.21 | MACScr | im trying to setup my system to use a ramdisk for logs (os is on flash memory) in a reliable way. I found this nice service to accomplish it and its supposed to work on debian, but im not having any luck. here is the vague error and script. Any suggestions? http://hastebin.com/owupukemog.bash |
| 09:44.35 | MACScr | sorry, i mean to say that its supposed to work with Jessie |
| 09:45.43 | bijan_ | Zharf: interesting. thx. would be nice if debian could get a dynamic motd without so much effort |
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| 09:50.10 | psopacua | YEAH BABY, after 3 x 8 hours of installing Debian Jessie next to Windows 10 ive got it working WOOHOOO!! |
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| 09:52.24 | rozie | MACScr: ramdisk, logs and reliable? |
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| 09:52.49 | rozie | what do you mean 'reliable'? it's RAM, so it is lost on power down/rebooot |
| 09:53.16 | MACScr | rozie: reliable as in works every time, not about reliable as far as keeping the logs |
| 09:53.20 | rozie | MACScr: if you just want to use logs in RAM - use tmpfs |
| 09:53.45 | rozie | just add entries to fstab for directories with logs |
| 09:53.53 | MACScr | yes, but i want them retained on planned reboots |
| 09:54.03 | rozie | and use tmpfs |
| 09:54.48 | rozie | add a script to reboot which will copy content of tmpfs to a safe place ;-) |
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| 09:55.10 | MACScr | well why not use this one that accomplishes both? |
| 09:55.46 | rozie | IMVHO that makes no sense. you want to use RAM and you can lost logs, or you want to have these logs |
| 09:55.54 | rozie | you can log to remote machine too |
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| 09:57.01 | psopacua | damn cant sudo :p |
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| 09:57.53 | MACScr | primary is to a remote system, but i dont trust that every app uses syslog and not every app seems smart enough to recreate log files that dont exist and then they just complain about hte log file being missing, etc. lol |
| 09:58.47 | rozie | I see. how about NFS? |
| 09:59.14 | psopacua | Someone knowns how i can give me existing user (Setup at install) sudo access? |
| 09:59.35 | psopacua | or do i have to get in console somehow and then login as root to add sudo access to the user? |
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| 10:00.33 | MACScr | rozie: i do have an nfs server, but what if the nfs server is down or their is a network issue |
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| 10:01.44 | MACScr | ramdisk is a great fallback option |
| 10:02.02 | MACScr | plus its not like it should be complicated |
| 10:02.39 | psopacua | heuj fixed it ^^ |
| 10:03.34 | MACScr | if you sync on shutdown, you have to make sure it happens perfectly in order to sync after things are done writing to the logs |
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| 10:07.27 | rozie | MACScr: I don't belive in planned reboots ;) |
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| 10:08.40 | MACScr | rozie: lol, ha |
| 10:08.54 | psopacua | lolled, anybody knowns why i cant install "libappindicator1" for google chrome ? |
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| 10:18.21 | jelly | psopacua: which debian release are you using? |
| 10:18.50 | jelly | ,v libappindicator1 |
| 10:18.51 | judd | Package: libappindicator1 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.92-2; jessie: 0.4.92-3.1; sid: 0.4.92-3.1; stretch: 0.4.92-3.1 |
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| 10:22.21 | psopacua | jelly: i am using Debian Jessie, installed from Live CD. |
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| 10:22.41 | psopacua | i just opened up the sources.list and only saw cdrom & jessie/updates lines. so i added jessie & jessie-updates |
| 10:22.45 | psopacua | and it was fixed :0 |
| 10:22.47 | psopacua | :) |
| 10:22.54 | jelly | !win psopacua |
| 10:22.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, psopacua! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 10:23.39 | psopacua | :') |
| 10:24.00 | psopacua | now i need to found out how to make a launch file for Sublime text :p. |
| 10:24.01 | jelly | then there's absolutely no need to do this |
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| 10:24.05 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 10:24.05 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:24.35 | psopacua | yeah i was missing the jessie-updates and jessie lines haha :p. |
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| 10:55.46 | BlessJah | is it possible to set up UTC timezone during installation? |
| 10:56.21 | somiaj | BlessJah: that is usually one of the questions they ask |
| 10:56.33 | somiaj | BlessJah: usually they ask if you want your system clock in UTC or Local time and to set your timezone |
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| 10:57.03 | Shadow_7 | unless you do a minimum / debootstrap install. dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 10:57.09 | BlessJah | I wan't both timezone and hwclock in UTC |
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| 10:58.02 | BlessJah | Shadow_7: so UTC in unavailable during install, but I can switch to it later, right? |
| 10:58.04 | somiaj | BlessJah: sure, just select an appropraite timezone. |
| 10:58.21 | Shadow_7 | you can always switch it. not sure what the default is |
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| 10:58.28 | somiaj | BlessJah: just select any time zone that is UTC - 0 during the install. The optoin is there. But yes you can switch it later |
| 10:59.14 | BlessJah | somiaj: available timezones depends on language I choose, en_US gives me american timezones, en_UK (en_GB?) gives me no choice |
| 10:59.43 | BlessJah | yet I believe UK/GB has summer time, which I'd prefer to avoid |
| 10:59.46 | somiaj | BlessJah: That seems strange, but I don't use the installer that much. I also only use the expert installer. |
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| 11:00.16 | somiaj | But it seems strange to me that the installer would assume that people who want to use en_US are living in an american timezone. |
| 11:00.33 | BlessJah | I'll try to use advanced then |
| 11:00.42 | BlessJah | somiaj: yep it makes that assumption |
| 11:01.03 | somiaj | BlessJah: I don't use the installer that often so I don't notice things like that. |
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| 11:04.48 | Shadow_7 | about all I know is that there was a key change about 3 days after jessie came out. And I was trying a debootstrap install on a non-utc set system and it complained about the keys. A niche case, and self corrected when local time reached the same date as the key change. |
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| 11:13.02 | XeonSquared | what's a solid PDF viewer? Fast and ideally gtk themeable and with the option for vim keybinds |
| 11:13.29 | Shadow_7 | okular is what gets used in the browser and for printing |
| 11:14.43 | Shadow_7 | otherwise I tend to a2ps and use gimp on the ps |
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| 11:15.37 | XeonSquared | okular looks pretty KDE-centric |
| 11:15.38 | planetmaker | XeonSquared, I installed the 'master PDF editor' as it seems to be the only one which can read / display properly some PDF forms |
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| 11:16.14 | planetmaker | it's not part of debian distribution, though. But I checked every package included, but none displayed the travel expenses form I'm required to use |
| 11:16.56 | planetmaker | though usually evince and okular work well, both of them |
| 11:17.13 | somiaj | XeonSquared: evince gets suggested a lot. I personally just use my webbrowser as it works for all .pdf I need to seee |
| 11:17.32 | somiaj | I mainly ditched evenice because I don't like CSD, but that is just a personal preference. |
| 11:17.45 | XeonSquared | somiaj, I usually use firefox but that's not much good to set up a group of linux workstations with |
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| 11:18.19 | Shadow_7 | I used to just use xpdf. But never really supported modern variants. Although there wasn't much choice in that era. |
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| 11:19.12 | somiaj | XeonSquared: I hopey ou mean iceweasel. Do these workstations not have a webbrowser on them? I just see no reason for a seperate viewer, but that is my usecase. |
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| 11:19.49 | XeonSquared | somiaj, nah, firefox, I use arch on my home desktop but I'm sane enough to not use that in production. |
| 11:20.11 | XeonSquared | Maybe I will use the browser though, issue is pdf.js is rather CPU-heavy |
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| 11:21.03 | somiaj | XeonSquared: evince if you are using a gtk desktop (probabaly installed with gnome already). xpdf for the old standard. Though I think I ran into issues where xpdf has trouble with lots of the fancy new editable .pdf formats |
| 11:21.19 | XeonSquared | http://i.imgur.com/GQsdD5a.png well evince seems fine, not a fan of gtk3 but it indeed works |
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| 11:22.37 | XeonSquared | atril looks like what I want |
| 11:22.46 | XeonSquared | right, thanks for the help |
| 11:22.50 | somiaj | I'd try xpdf too. (: |
| 11:23.33 | XeonSquared | I'll give it a go. |
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| 12:00.30 | ewew | Hello. Will there by some documentation on how cgroups are handled in debian jessie ? |
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| 12:08.34 | Colti | Is there a proposed or backport kernel 4.x for jessie supporting amdgpu? |
| 12:09.11 | Shadow_7 | you can use kernel-package and create one with make-kpkg |
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| 12:11.16 | Colti | is there no list of available proposed kernels? |
| 12:11.48 | Shadow_7 | there's testing and sid for newer kernels. not sure of any backports |
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| 12:14.35 | Colti | i didnt find any newer kernels than 3.16 with apt |
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| 12:20.30 | Colti | ahh i need to add the backport repo the proposed repo has no newer kernels |
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| 12:21.06 | Shadow_7 | kernel.org has sources for newer kernels |
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| 12:22.48 | MACScr | any advice for syslog entries like so? systemd-timesyncd[707]: interval/delta/delay/jitter/drift 256s/-0.034s/0.030s/0.014s/+287ppm |
| 12:22.56 | MACScr | is my time really far off? |
| 12:23.08 | MACScr | if that is happening on a semi regular basis? |
| 12:23.43 | Shadow_7 | you can use ntpdate to sync your clock if ntpd isn't keeping it sync'd already |
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| 12:24.08 | MACScr | it is already |
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| 12:25.18 | Colti | Shadow_7 i think kernel 4.2 from backport repo is new enough for me |
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| 12:26.03 | jelly | MACScr: 34ms is far off? |
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| 12:27.06 | jelly | MACScr: which debian release is this? I don't think timesyncd is enabled on Debian 8 by default |
| 12:27.09 | MACScr | jelly: but should it be that far off every few minutes? |
| 12:27.10 | MACScr | 8.2 |
| 12:27.42 | MACScr | Nov 23 06:19:26 stor1 systemd-timesyncd[707]: interval/delta/delay/jitter/drift 256s/-0.034s/0.030s/0.014s/+287ppm |
| 12:27.42 | MACScr | Nov 23 06:23:43 stor1 systemd-timesyncd[707]: interval/delta/delay/jitter/drift 256s/-0.072s/0.030s/0.026s/+147ppm |
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| 12:28.15 | jelly | MACScr: I have no idea how bad or how well timesyncd works, so it might well be expected... |
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| 12:28.58 | jelly | if you need to keep it sub-ms, install ntp |
| 12:29.09 | Shadow_7 | if it's less than 5 seconds per hour it's probably normal |
| 12:29.51 | jelly | Shadow_7: that's 120 seconds a day, and it's way too much. drift ought to correct for that. |
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| 12:30.29 | Shadow_7 | I know from recording that 2 seconds an hour drift is normal-ish. Because nothing has exactly matching clocks |
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| 12:32.36 | Shadow_7 | the two timestamps above indicate a 1.08 second drift an hour |
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| 12:35.14 | MACScr | so to make sure im doing things right, i shouldnt be using ntp if systemd-timedated is being used? |
| 12:35.14 | Shadow_7 | which seems normal to me. At least for consumer gear. If it's a multi-thousand dollar server, I'd worry |
| 12:35.28 | MACScr | i dont know anything about systemd-timedated, its just running on my systems =P |
| 12:35.41 | MACScr | maybe another app wanted it |
| 12:35.41 | jelly | Shadow_7: those servers often have worse hw clocks :-) |
| 12:36.06 | jelly | MACScr: did you install from normal debian installer image? |
| 12:36.20 | Shadow_7 | a lot of clocks derive their clock from the power grid freq anyway |
| 12:36.35 | Shadow_7 | which is anybodies guess tbh |
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| 12:36.58 | MACScr | pxe install using foreman. not 100% sure on the source it uses |
| 12:37.05 | MACScr | http install i guess? |
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| 12:39.36 | MACScr | there has been a couple since then, but here is the latest Nov 23 06:36:31 stor1 systemd-timesyncd[707]: interval/delta/delay/jitter/drift 1024s/-0.038s/0.030s/0.026s/+115ppm |
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| 12:40.02 | jelly | Shadow_7: nah, all the PCs have a rtc and a crystal somewhere. I'd be interested to see where you found a system that can access the grid AC... |
| 12:40.31 | Shadow_7 | more like microwaves and wall clocks that use the power grid freq |
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| 12:40.53 | Shadow_7 | aka they run fast under battery / UPS |
| 12:42.25 | jelly | MACScr: well, if it only ticks off 40ms every 15 minutes, that's not bad |
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| 12:44.07 | MACScr | jelly: that was the latest, there were others minutes earlier |
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| 12:44.30 | MACScr | but im still not sure why its even being used. Isnt it a replacement for the native ntp client? |
| 12:44.49 | jelly | there's no such thing as a "native ntp client" |
| 12:44.52 | Shadow_7 | I'd be more worried about systemd-logind + logind |
| 12:45.14 | jelly | if anything, timesyncd is the closest you can call "native" on a systemd installation |
| 12:45.26 | Shadow_7 | you could always apt-get source the things and look at what they do. |
| 12:45.32 | jelly | but as far as I know it is not used or enabled by default |
| 12:46.10 | jelly | so, whoever installed it had to enable it explicitely. Figure that out. |
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| 12:46.53 | jelly | I just install ntp and point it to our stratum 2 servers. |
| 12:47.20 | Shadow_7 | I just run ntpdate semi-weekly |
| 12:47.37 | Shadow_7 | but just a desktop user / developer |
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| 12:47.57 | jelly | uses chrony on workstations |
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| 12:48.09 | Shadow_7 | also a bit of a minimalist as I like my RAM and CPU clocks. |
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| 12:49.54 | Shadow_7 | then again, my hp stream 11 is my best machine. And specs about the same as my '07 desktop. |
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| 12:59.48 | Colti | is there a good guide how to use amdgpu in debian? |
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| 13:00.20 | Shadow_7 | is that the new replacement for fglrx + amdcccle ? |
| 13:00.25 | Colti | i am not sure if it is enough to have a kernel >4 |
| 13:00.33 | Colti | yes it really new |
| 13:00.51 | Shadow_7 | probably need kernel + proprietary driver |
| 13:00.54 | Colti | not much around in the net for this one |
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| 13:01.41 | Colti | hm any idea which proprietary driver to take? |
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| 13:02.02 | Shadow_7 | the one from amd's site ? |
| 13:02.16 | Colti | there is just the fglrx one |
| 13:03.19 | Colti | here is the most recent info i found |
| 13:03.21 | Colti | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Amdgpu |
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| 13:03.48 | jelly | Colti: what do you mean by "amdgpu" ? |
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| 13:04.24 | Colti | iTÅ the new amd/ati driver for sea islands and volcanic islands cards |
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| 13:05.07 | Colti | mine is sea islands type |
| 13:05.13 | jelly | Colti: released 4 days ago? http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-driver-ati/2015-November/028287.html It will be a while before it's packaged in sid. |
| 13:05.34 | jelly | my "Caicos" card works well with free drivers in jessie. |
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| 13:06.53 | jelly | not sure what kind of island those are |
| 13:07.44 | Colti | be happy mine is not working well with the radeon driver in jessie |
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| 13:08.11 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 13:08.12 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:6.14.4-8; jessie: 1:7.5.0-1; sid: 1:7.6.1-1; stretch: 1:7.6.1-1 |
| 13:08.13 | Colti | got graphic issues and hibernate and standby not possible |
| 13:08.18 | jelly | no backports |
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| 13:09.10 | jelly | Colti: which card is it? "lspci -nn|grep VGA" |
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| 13:09.32 | eskatrem | Hey, I am currently running debian 6, can I upgrade to debian 8 by following the steps to upgrade from debian 7? |
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| 13:10.13 | jelly | eskatrem: no skipping releases is allowed. You have to fully upgrade to release 7 first, then do a release upgrade from 7 to 8. |
| 13:10.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell eskatrem about squeeze->wheezy |
| 13:10.34 | jelly | dpkg, tell eskatrem about wheezy->jessie |
| 13:10.45 | Colti | mine is kabini and kaveri card got 2 problem cards |
| 13:10.47 | eskatrem | jelly: thanks |
| 13:11.32 | Colti | 8000 series cards |
| 13:11.34 | eskatrem | yeah actually that's very on point, you saved me from disaster. Thanks again jelly |
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| 13:11.49 | Shadow_7 | crimson seems like the new amd gpu stuff |
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| 13:12.19 | Colti | yes exactly i am hoping the amdgpu driver will fix this cards |
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| 13:13.11 | Colti | but i am not sure what necessary to get amdgpu running in jessie |
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| 13:13.22 | Colti | not much infos around for amdgpu |
| 13:13.27 | Shadow_7 | seems to only be available for windows atm. could be wrong |
| 13:13.35 | BCMM | what's the default dhcp client in debian? |
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| 13:14.04 | Shadow_7 | BCMM: not sure. isc-dhcp-client ...aka... dhclient ? |
| 13:14.12 | Shadow_7 | but dhcpcd is also there |
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| 13:15.06 | Shadow_7 | well not that package, but available. |
| 13:15.31 | jelly | Colti: it's really new. Either wait for Debian to notice, package it up and MAYBE provide a backported driver, or you have to build video-amdgpu from sources yourself. |
| 13:15.44 | towo^work | Colti, in jessie amdgpu doesn't exist |
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| 13:16.20 | jelly | Colti: I'd give them at least 2 motnhs time. Perhaps file a Priority: wishlist bug. |
| 13:16.51 | jelly | judd: wnpp amdgpu |
| 13:16.52 | judd | Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found. |
| 13:17.00 | jelly | judd: wnpp xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
| 13:17.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/795686 in wnpp (open): «ITP: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu -- X.Org X server -- AMDGPU video driver»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-08-16; last modified: 2015-08-16. |
| 13:17.10 | jelly | there, someone's already filed it |
| 13:17.24 | Shadow_7 | 05:41 -!- waka [~wakariera@unaffiliated/waka] has joined/waka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 13:17.41 | Colti | yeah seems i have to wait some time |
| 13:17.51 | Shadow_7 | grrr.... multi-X sessions don't translate clipboard info... |
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| 13:18.08 | Colti | luckily the graphic issues are not around the whole screen |
| 13:18.23 | jelly | Colti: or try fglrx in the meantime |
| 13:18.35 | jelly | !fglrx dkms |
| 13:18.36 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
| 13:18.50 | Shadow_7 | xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/driver/xf86-video-amdgpu-1.0.0.bz2 |
| 13:19.08 | Shadow_7 | You'll likely need to install it from sources |
| 13:19.18 | Colti | before i install fglrx i prefer to wait 2 or 3 month fglrx is horrible |
| 13:19.31 | jelly | not likely. At this point in time, definitely. |
| 13:19.40 | Shadow_7 | if it's reverse compatible, the radeon drivers aren't too bad |
| 13:20.07 | Colti | yeah with old radeon 42xx it working great with radeon driver |
| 13:20.17 | Colti | but 8000er series runs very bad with radeon |
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| 13:22.42 | Colti | is somebody using xrdp from jessie repo? |
| 13:23.04 | abrotman | and if they were? |
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| 13:23.55 | Colti | i am asking myself why there is such an old version in the repo. Does that version have any advantages? |
| 13:24.10 | Colti | repo 0.6 newest is 0.9 |
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| 13:24.50 | abrotman | judd: versions xrpd |
| 13:24.52 | judd | No package named 'xrpd' was found in amd64. |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | judd: versions xrdp |
| 13:24.55 | judd | Package: xrdp on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.0~20100303cvs-6; wheezy: 0.5.0-2; jessie: 0.6.1-2; stretch: 0.6.1-2+b1; sid: 0.6.1-2+b1 |
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| 13:25.34 | abrotman | Colti: Seems like the package maintainer is AWOL, did you check the BTS? |
| 13:25.55 | Colti | BTS? |
| 13:26.23 | Colti | back-transport-system? |
| 13:26.30 | abrotman | Colti: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741160 |
| 13:26.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/741160 in xrdp (open): «xrdp: New upstream version»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-03-09; last modified: 2014-03-09. |
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| 13:27.30 | Colti | ahh so officially 0.6 is latest |
| 13:27.49 | abrotman | apparnetly so, though it seems the "new" maintainer was going to update, but they've vanished |
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| 13:29.34 | Colti | ah perhaps there will be coming an update soon seems i have to wait again :) |
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| 13:33.56 | abrotman | Colti: that last update was two years ago ... |
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| 13:35.44 | Colti | yeah thats why i was hoping new version could fix my problem |
| 13:36.15 | Colti | i am not getting the remote desktop with xrdp |
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| 13:36.44 | Colti | authentification went fine but then no remote screen appears |
| 13:36.59 | abrotman | Colti: newer version of Windows? |
| 13:37.18 | Colti | no newer version of xrdp i was hoping for |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | OI |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | I'm asking if it's a newer version of Windows as your client |
| 13:37.47 | Colti | but perhapsly windows 10 rdesktop client is the problem |
| 13:38.05 | abrotman | well, sadly, there's always VNC! |
| 13:38.09 | Colti | i try to connect to xrdp with win 10 |
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| 13:38.25 | jelly | yeah, if you're trying to connect to a running X session, use x11vnc |
| 13:38.50 | Colti | i tried to use sesman X11rdp |
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| 13:39.46 | chomwitt | i've read a few pages in du vs df but still doesnt help. in my debian 7 small vps with 10GB (simfs type ,, openvz?) 'df -h' says i'm 97% full . and i believe it! cause trying to fallocate a 500mb file i cant. so 'sudo du -hs /' gives me only 4.5G !! I rebooted my vps in case of the opened files. but nothing. so.. where are the hidden files? |
| 13:40.29 | Colti | i need to connect with windows rdesktop client so no vnc available |
| 13:40.36 | Shadow_7 | chomwitt: du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 13:40.42 | Shadow_7 | helps to id the hogs |
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| 13:40.53 | abrotman | Colti: Did you check the BTS for a similar bug? |
| 13:41.18 | abrotman | Colti: bugs.debian.org/xrdp |
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| 13:42.44 | Colti | i think my problem is not in the bug list |
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| 13:43.55 | Twirl | Hello, i cant unload a module, anything i can do? i already tried rmmod -f modulename |
| 13:44.13 | Twirl | resource temporary unavailable |
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| 13:48.56 | Twirl | sorry, window closed |
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| 13:49.25 | Twirl | anyone knows how to force an unload module or kill it or whatever? because i can't unload it it says resource temporary unavailable |
| 13:49.27 | Shadow_7 | Twirl: try modprobe -r |
| 13:49.36 | Twirl | Shadow_7: i already tried that |
| 13:49.42 | Twirl | and also rmmod -f |
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| 13:49.50 | Shadow_7 | Twirl: find out what is using it. or blacklist it and reboot |
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| 13:50.31 | Twirl | Shadow_7: how to blacklist it? |
| 13:50.45 | Shadow_7 | Twirl: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 13:51.47 | Shadow_7 | or the old hackish way of rm-ing from /lib/modules/... (not recommended) |
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| 13:55.32 | sipi | Which version of debian is only command line? |
| 13:55.53 | Shadow_7 | all of them... depending on how you install it |
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| 13:56.21 | chomwitt | Shadow_7: no difference |
| 13:57.02 | sipi | Can you please tell me how to install only the command line ? |
| 13:57.24 | jelly | how do I convince make-jpkg not to throw every single library it finds into the Depends: line? To make resulting .deb file be installable on server and still work, I've had to manually reduce a dozen Depends to Recommends. |
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| 14:00.28 | buu | sipi: just unselect every gui package |
| 14:00.36 | Twirl | it worked |
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| 14:00.47 | Twirl | now i gotta reload every time i reboot heh |
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| 14:42.39 | dagerik | my clock is off by one minute |
| 14:43.02 | dagerik | ntpq -p shows ntnu-gsw-l0.net .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 |
| 14:43.23 | dagerik | where do i change this ntp node? |
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| 14:45.03 | anddam | jelly: this is upstart with sysvinit compat, remember the discussion about /proc/1/comm earlier? |
| 14:45.33 | anddam | I copied skeleton and put an echo in there |
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| 14:47.55 | jelly | anddam: I don't remember anything! :-D |
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| 14:48.27 | dagerik | im suspecting that 0.no.pool.ntp.org emits a time that is off by one minute. how can I check this? |
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| 14:52.30 | jelly | dagerik: every time you query your dns, 0.no.pool.ntp.org changes to some other IP address from the pool; first figure out which one is being weird by... dunno, ask in #ntp |
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| 14:58.11 | sorin-mihai | I know that ns{1,2,3,4} is the usual naming scheme for DNS servers. I wonder what would happen if I'd chose ns{-a,-b,-c,-d}... |
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| 15:00.24 | jelly | sorin-mihai: use whatever you want. |
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| 15:00.45 | jelly | start with 0! prefix dns! prefix cake! |
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| 15:01.37 | jelly | sorin-mihai: eg. > dig debian.org NS |
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| 15:02.21 | sorin-mihai | hm... |
| 15:03.02 | sorin-mihai | jelly, thanks! |
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| 15:37.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Where's that page on debian.org showing CD image signing keys and their fingerprints? |
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| 15:38.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | (and why is it so hard to find anyway?) |
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| 15:38.44 | blind | https://www.debian.org/CD/verify this one Eduard_Munteanu ? |
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| 15:38.57 | p3rror | hello |
| 15:39.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | blind, that one, thanks |
| 15:39.09 | blind | came up with a google search of "debian cd image signing keys" |
| 15:39.17 | p3rror | how to launch sar disk each minute ? |
| 15:40.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, the netinst page et al. should also link there. |
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| 15:41.32 | Hafydd | How can I see which repository a package, such as <https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-psycopg2>, is available from? |
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| 15:43.57 | jordanm | Hafydd: apt-cache policy python-psycopg2 will show the installed version and which versions are available in configured repos. that's as close as you can get with apt |
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| 15:44.30 | jordanm | apt doesn't store information on which repo a package came from like yum does |
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| 15:46.12 | Hafydd | jordanm: I don't have the package locally installed or listed; I need to find out which repository I need to add in order to get it. |
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| 15:49.01 | jordanm | Hafydd: why do you believe it exists in any repo? what package is it? |
| 15:49.48 | Hafydd | jordanm: I believe it exists in a repository, because it's listed on <https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-psycopg2>. It is the same pakage. |
| 15:50.03 | Hafydd | +c |
| 15:50.17 | jordanm | that's in debian main... |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | Hafydd: all mirrors should have that in the Jessie main repository |
| 15:50.34 | Hafydd | jordanm: how did you determine that? |
| 15:50.47 | abrotman | Hafydd: Are you using Debian or something else? |
| 15:50.53 | Hafydd | abrotman: I am using Debian. |
| 15:51.11 | abrotman | Hafydd: it's not tagged on that page as contrib or non-free |
| 15:51.31 | jordanm | Hafydd: because it's on packages.debian.org and not tagged |
| 15:51.33 | abrotman | Hafydd: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/nvidia-cg-doc for example |
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| 15:51.47 | jordanm | !tell Hafydd about jessie sources.list |
| 15:51.49 | Hafydd | I see... |
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| 15:54.29 | Hafydd | If that is the case, something else must be wrong with my configuration, as "aptitude search psychopg" yields no results. |
| 15:54.57 | jordanm | did your search include the typo? |
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| 15:55.47 | Hafydd | ... |
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| 15:55.59 | Hafydd | Yes, it did. I see. |
| 15:56.01 | abrotman | Hafydd: see the package name, see what you searched for .. |
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| 15:57.38 | Hafydd | I don't know how I missed that, as I checked at least twice to see that the name was correct; but I suppose I was convinced it was "psychopg". |
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| 15:59.22 | julius | whatshi |
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| 16:15.43 | jelly | ghormoon: did you start with sid deb-src? |
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| 16:19.27 | Captain_Sifff | Hi all, as far as I can tell nsswitch.conf is not configured through debconf/preseed. What is the best mechanism to configure it via a script? |
| 16:20.07 | ghormoon | jelly: yup. but still I've lost some paths to bios, efi etc. |
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| 16:26.10 | ghormoon | I've kept patches 02_kfreebsd.patch, use-fixed-data-path.patch, use-data-path.patch, mjt-set-oem-in-rsdt-like-slic.diff, tohse seemed debian related, I've ditched all the CVE* ones for now |
| 16:27.04 | jordanm | Captain_Sifff: the "best" method would be to provide a nsswitch.conf file via your config management system |
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| 16:28.58 | Captain_Sifff | ubuntu provides for this purpose auth-client-config. There's nothing similar for debian jessie? |
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| 16:43.49 | toogley | lets say i have e.g. a wlan controlled webcam. can i somehow determine whether debian supports that webcam without installing it? (i have the version number) |
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| 16:45.48 | jordanm | toogley: is it typically controlled via a web interface or some specialized software? |
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| 16:46.34 | toogley | jordanm: i don't know, but i think so |
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| 16:47.18 | jordanm | if it's a web interface, than your OS shouldn't matter |
| 16:48.26 | toogley | i meant in the first place the driver. although its usb, im not sure if the functionality is generally guaranteed |
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| 16:53.37 | jordanm | toogley: any UVC webcam should work via USB. Check the specs for your webcam to see it is UVC |
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| 17:09.16 | toogley | jordanm: okay, thanks |
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| 17:15.06 | tp43_ | I did a chmod -R 770 on a directory on my vps and then it started doing it on /proc files with permission denied errors, but now I can't even ssh in |
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| 17:15.32 | somiaj | tp43_: which directory? |
| 17:15.49 | tp43_ | somiaj, inside one my apache websites |
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| 17:17.23 | jordanm | tp43_: sounds like you accidentally did / |
| 17:17.52 | tp43_ | jordanm yeah maybe I guess, so my server is still up, I just can't ssh in, so how can I fix it? |
| 17:19.20 | somiaj | ssh in as root? or did you disable the ability to ssh in as root? |
| 17:19.34 | somiaj | I guess keys won't work because the permisions are incorrect so you will have to do it wiht a password |
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| 17:21.34 | tp43_ | somiaj, yeah, I am pretty sure I disabled it |
| 17:22.13 | tp43_ | I can reset my root pass in my control panel for my vps, but if it is disabled, that probably won't do anything eh |
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| 17:23.39 | somiaj | tp43_: that's correct |
| 17:23.42 | afidegnum | hello, please I am facing these errors at http://paste.debian.net/335393/ while trying to install proxmox, despite platform configured, can you please help? |
| 17:24.02 | tp43_ | gtg, be back later. thx guys. |
| 17:24.42 | somiaj | afidegnum: it looks like your issue is with some third party repo (not debian). Are you sure this repo is configured for the debian version you are using? |
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| 17:25.25 | afidegnum | somiaj: thanks in advance, I am following instructions from http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Proxmox_VE/en |
| 17:25.33 | afidegnum | and I am using debian wheezy |
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| 17:26.23 | SynrGy | !proxmox |
| 17:26.24 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 17:26.35 | SynrGy | afidegnum: sorry, not supported here. |
| 17:26.43 | SynrGy | you want ##proxmox |
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| 17:49.21 | Guest90945 | hi folks, any possiblity of getting help with gnome 3 ui settings? |
| 17:49.33 | abrotman | just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 17:49.49 | Guest90945 | how can I make the dock move out of the "hud" menu ? |
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| 17:50.23 | abrotman | which dock? |
| 17:50.30 | abrotman | and what is the HUD menu ? |
| 17:50.38 | Guest90945 | activites menu |
| 17:50.55 | asarch | If you upower -d | grep percentage you would get the remaining battery power. How would create an alarm to play a sound whet it remains x percentage? |
| 17:51.10 | asarch | For example 15 % |
| 17:51.14 | mtn | Guest90945, possibly by using a gnome extension. |
| 17:51.33 | asarch | A cron for every 5 minutes? |
| 17:51.51 | Guest90945 | seriously, didn't they enable such a possibility by default .. now i hate to use someones hack |
| 17:52.27 | mtn | Guest90945, the devs like it the way it is ;) |
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| 17:53.08 | Guest90945 | but come one .. forcing people over choice .. it's just as terrible as the ubuntu folks insisting the nav must be to the left |
| 17:53.12 | Guest90945 | but this is worse |
| 17:53.39 | simonlnu | gnome 3 has a lot of ubuntu all over it |
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| 17:53.52 | Guest90945 | there is 17 pages for "dash" extensions, jeesus |
| 17:53.59 | simonlnu | i'll restrict my comments to that, as it's OT |
| 17:54.16 | mtn | sore |
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| 17:59.09 | boubou | hey guys |
| 17:59.10 | boubou | on user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 17:59.22 | boubou | how can I replace this string with sed ? |
| 17:59.55 | boubou | sed -i "s/^user\ ALL\=\(ALL\)\ ALL/test/" /etc/sudoers |
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| 18:00.02 | boubou | didnt work |
| 18:00.42 | somiaj | boubou: you probabaly shouldn't modify the sudoers file that way. It is usually suggested you use visudo, then do the find/replace with the editor. |
| 18:01.24 | boubou | somiaj I have many many servers to modify so its why I would like to use the sed command |
| 18:01.25 | jpalmer | or better, move to sudoers.d/ syntax. |
| 18:01.30 | boubou | or something like that |
| 18:02.10 | boubou | u understand ? |
| 18:02.11 | jpalmer | boubou: have you checked out ansible, there is a lininfile option, and it's perfectly suited to running on lots of hosts. |
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| 18:02.28 | boubou | ansible ? |
| 18:02.56 | jpalmer | it's a bit out of scope for your actual question, but since you mentioned editing a lot of hosts.. |
| 18:03.22 | boubou | interesting |
| 18:03.30 | boubou | can u give me a bit more info ? |
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| 18:04.23 | somiaj | another option is puppet or some tool that is designed to configure multiple hosts over doing it with scripts. But it really depends on what you end up having to do to keep all the hosts similar/different. |
| 18:04.35 | boubou | sudoers.d is not a bad idea too |
| 18:04.59 | boubou | I thought it was a easy way to modify this line witth sed |
| 18:05.11 | jpalmer | boubou: ansible is a tool designed to do safe configuration management across varied hosts, in a sane and repeatable way |
| 18:05.14 | ewew | ,v clusterssh |
| 18:05.15 | judd | Package: clusterssh on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.00.05-3; wheezy: 4.01.01-4; jessie: 4.03.03-1; stretch: 4.04-1; sid: 4.04.01-1 |
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| 18:06.32 | somiaj | yea there are various tools designed for managing a larege pool of hosts. |
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| 18:12.37 | Guest90945 | is tehre any point of using compiz on gnome3 ? |
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| 18:13.42 | towo` | yes, compiz does not exist in debian |
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| 18:14.57 | abrotman | Guest90945: no, a) not there b) mutter does a lot of that sort of stuff |
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| 18:21.48 | Guest90945 | abrotman, ook thanks, seems nice with extensions! although some of the basic ones should be included so one doesnt have to google everything from start .. the hot corner is annoying and should be possible to turn off by default, also the dock plugin should be inclded |
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| 18:23.25 | mtn | Guest90945, you can turn off the hot corner and adjust the top bar using the Activities extension |
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| 18:24.17 | Guest90945 | hmm .. i installed some hot corner extension .. not sure what is best |
| 18:24.22 | Guest90945 | also dash to dock |
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| 18:25.33 | blurkis | if i have a class MyApp in main.py and a my.kv that has the UI for a project. Do I reference a widget in my.kv with self.widgetname? |
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| 18:26.50 | blurkis | caus I get MyApp object has no attribute GD, which is the id of a layout in kv that im using in main.py with self.GD ? |
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| 18:27.43 | Guest90945 | i tried to change the hotkey for the application switcher .. but there is no previous ... just show .. so the only appropiate choise is to open it using mod key + right .. super + right seems buggy |
| 18:27.57 | jordanm | blurkis: #python |
| 18:28.14 | Guest90945 | is there an extensio nf or this as well ? |
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| 18:34.15 | blurkis | jordanm, I dont think its obvious that its a core python question. The kv file has no pythoncode so how its dealt with in kivy isnt obvious. And sure, some people in #python might know how kivy handles it, but thats not sure..? |
| 18:34.17 | Guest90945 | is there a way to switch previous without shift ? |
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| 18:42.55 | Guest90945 | there is only a shortcut for moving window to right / down screen .. there should be a move to next .. and you could have one and toggle screens |
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| 18:47.42 | Colti | !x11rdp |
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| 18:53.36 | Colti | seems debian package xrdp has bad dependencies |
| 18:53.45 | abrotman | has what? |
| 18:54.00 | Colti | X11rdp is missing fully in debian repo |
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| 18:54.48 | Colti | but this packages is necessary to run xrdp properly in rdp mode |
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| 18:59.39 | DHowett | meh the xen-4.6-utils update killed hvmloader :( |
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| 19:06.31 | SynrGy | Colti: there is a very good reason for that |
| 19:07.32 | SynrGy | as i understand it, it would require massive duplication of material into the debian archive, the way it's currently structured. |
| 19:07.49 | SynrGy | that's a non-starter from the ftp maintainers pov. |
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| 19:08.54 | SynrGy | read about it in #469754 |
| 19:08.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/469754 in xrdp (open): «Add x11rdp support»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-03-06; last modified: 2013-02-01. |
| 19:08.57 | SynrGy | ancient bug |
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| 19:13.20 | Colti | SynGy thx for the info |
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| 19:14.56 | thurstylark | This may be a stupid question, but is there a way I can get a more updated version of virt-manager for wheezy? the version in the repo is limited to 0.9.1-4 and it has some compatibility issues with the remote machine I want to control with it. |
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| 19:15.47 | Guest90945 | the window key + arrow up down right .. seems reserved? i can't find any place to disable the move window in order to use those keys for other stuff |
| 19:16.09 | thurstylark | Guest90945: check window manager settings |
| 19:16.41 | Guest90945 | in tweak tool ? |
| 19:17.28 | thurstylark | Guest90945: in your settings or preferences manager. What desktop environment are you using? |
| 19:17.49 | Guest90945 | gnome3 |
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| 19:20.00 | thurstylark | Guest90945: so, check out whatever control panel came with it. Under a section called "window" or similar. |
| 19:20.19 | SynrGy | ,checkbackport virt-manager --fromrelease stretch --torelease wheezy |
| 19:20.21 | judd | Backporting package virt-manager in stretchâwheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 19:20.36 | SynrGy | thurstylark: ^^ same goes for from jessie -> wheezy |
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| 19:21.09 | SynrGy | thurstylark: in short, get the debian package source from the source distro of your choice (jessie / stretch) and build the package |
| 19:21.19 | SynrGy | !ssb |
| 19:21.19 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:21.34 | Guest90945 | thurstylark, i cant find anything .. i think some smart guy decided to decide for everyone else |
| 19:21.40 | thurstylark | SynrGy: cool. Thanks |
| 19:21.41 | SynrGy | thurstylark: that would be using a modified version of these instructions ^ |
| 19:21.42 | Guest90945 | there isnt that many mod keys! |
| 19:23.17 | Guest90945 | is there some system config file one could modify ? |
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| 19:24.09 | thurstylark | Guest90945: what tweak tool were you talking about? |
| 19:25.14 | Guest90945 | therre is a tweak tool that comes iwth ubnut gnome 3 edition |
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| 19:26.34 | SynrGy | Guest90945: see 'man keyboard' and modify /etc/default/keyboard, i think |
| 19:26.45 | abrotman | Guest90945: Debian has the tweak tool also |
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| 19:26.48 | SynrGy | Guest90945: that changes it system-wide (i.e. is not desktop-specific) |
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| 19:27.06 | SynrGy | Guest90945: i use it, for example, to set a Compose key |
| 19:27.28 | SynrGy | Guest90945: i imagine with the doc linked in that man page you can find somewhere a comprehensive list of XKBOPTIONS |
| 19:27.38 | SynrGy | the man page itself only gives a few examples |
| 19:27.49 | Guest90945 | SynrGy, set a compose key ? tell me more .. i have an xmodremapped .. using tab for win .. but id like more mod keys |
| 19:27.52 | SynrGy | i didn't dig deeper |
| 19:28.12 | SynrGy | i would start by reading that man page, and follow the URLs in it for broader info |
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| 19:29.31 | SynrGy | sadly, the xfree86.org links are defunct ... |
| 19:30.12 | SynrGy | Guest90945: but apt-file search XKB-Config tells me the xorg-docs package contains that documentation |
| 19:30.13 | Guest90945 | i seem to have find it .. but totally misleading .. because the hotkeys set are not the same as the one modifying .. but once i disabled ctrl + shit + left .. window stopped doing the same |
| 19:30.30 | SynrGy | xorg-docs: /usr/share/doc/xorg-docs/input/XKB-Config.html |
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| 19:31.19 | SynrGy | dunno. i am no guru in this area. you asked if there's some system config file. that's my answer :) |
| 19:31.20 | Guest90945 | SynrGy, i will look into that soon .. |
| 19:31.28 | SynrGy | good luck |
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| 19:32.58 | Guest90945 | god damn .. the application switcher .. it shows mimized apps as well .. so if you have lots of apps .. you can't just shorten the list easily to relevant ones .. this one is important! |
| 19:33.02 | Guest90945 | :( |
| 19:33.13 | Guest90945 | main reason i terminated unity |
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| 19:46.29 | Twirl | Hello, anyone knows a decent everyday/weekly schedule application? im looking for something i can use easily and copy things without trouble with a nice GUI and persistent on the internet, maybe something like asana |
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| 19:51.18 | cheapie | gnome-disks won't ask me for the root password any more for some reason. Instead it just fails to do anything privileged with "udisks-error-quark 4". |
| 19:51.50 | cheapie | (and yes, I *am* in sudoers on this box, and yes, it *does* work if I run the whole program as root) |
| 19:54.02 | jhutchins | cheapie: Is this a bash script you're running? |
| 19:54.24 | cheapie | No, it's the GNOME disk utility (the one that used to be called Palimpsest). |
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| 19:56.15 | jhutchins | cheapie: The problem with sudo is that sometimes scripts or programs make calls to other programs that don't inherit the sudo effect. |
| 19:56.46 | cheapie | I'm not entirely sure you understand the symptoms (or correct behavior) here. |
| 19:57.25 | cheapie | It's supposed to be able to run as a normal user and gain root privileges (via gksu or similar) when necessary. |
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| 19:58.33 | cheapie | It's not doing that for me for some reason. It's just giving an error. If I run the whole as root, everything's fine, but I'd rather not have to do that. |
| 19:58.37 | cheapie | whole thing* |
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| 20:03.32 | spacebug^ | I'm using debian 8.2 with Gnome. When I login to Gnome (using gdm), my num lock is on. When I press Win-key the num lock led turns off but the num lock function remains. Pressing caps lock, turn on the caps lock function and led, and also brings back num lock led again |
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| 20:07.38 | SynrG | spacebug^: Doesn't sound like default GNOME behavior. What did you do to it? |
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| 20:10.41 | spacebug^ | SynrG: fresh isntall |
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| 20:27.23 | Mitzelflick | hi |
| 20:27.36 | Mitzelflick | is event enabled on apache2? |
| 20:27.40 | Mitzelflick | how do I know? |
| 20:27.45 | matat | SynrG, i have the same problem as spacebug^ but i have xfce |
| 20:27.51 | matat | i just learned to deal with it. lol |
| 20:27.52 | Mitzelflick | iceWM best wm |
| 20:27.58 | Mitzelflick | ;) |
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| 20:28.39 | somiaj | Mitzelflick: what do you mean enabled? Is this a compile time flag or a runtime configuration? |
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| 20:29.16 | markybob | Mitzelflick, if configured |
| 20:29.21 | Mitzelflick | apt-get install apache2 |
| 20:29.32 | Mitzelflick | debian has its own config methods it seems |
| 20:30.01 | Mitzelflick | # cat mpm_event.load # Conflicts: mpm_worker mpm_prefork LoadModule mpm_event_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_event.so |
| 20:30.04 | Mitzelflick | i see this |
| 20:30.15 | Mitzelflick | so it seems to be commented out |
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| 20:30.31 | Mitzelflick | LoadModule mpm_event_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_event.so |
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| 20:30.58 | greycat | Mitzelflick: what is "event"? Is that a module? |
| 20:32.14 | Mitzelflick | mpm yeah |
| 20:32.24 | Mitzelflick | its in mods_emabled so I guess it is enabled |
| 20:32.25 | greycat | Mitzelflick: perhaps you can read the description of "apt-cache show apache2-mpm-event"... I don't know what it means, but you might. |
| 20:32.58 | Mitzelflick | event is the fastest latest multiprocesing module for apache2 |
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| 20:35.08 | Mitzelflick | apachectl -V showed it |
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| 20:35.12 | Mitzelflick | interesetin |
| 20:35.23 | Mitzelflick | apache2 has loadable mpms |
| 20:35.28 | greycat | so it's just built into apache2 in jessie? |
| 20:35.50 | Mitzelflick | its a module thats loaded by symlink in mods_enabled.... it seems |
| 20:36.01 | Mitzelflick | apache 2.4 has loadable mpms |
| 20:36.17 | greycat | ah, I was looking in mods-enabled instead of mods-available... dumb me. |
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| 20:37.07 | Mitzelflick | I wish distros would put everything in 1 place like when apache2 gets compiled |
| 20:37.09 | Mitzelflick | simpler |
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| 20:40.06 | markybob | Mitzelflick, like apache2ctl -V ? |
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| 20:46.34 | iio7 | Why is there no xfce4-mixer in testing? |
| 20:47.31 | somiaj | ,v xfce4-mixer |
| 20:47.32 | judd | Package: xfce4-mixer on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.1-2+b1; wheezy: 4.8.0-3+b1; jessie: 4.10.0-3; experimental: 4.11.0-1+b1 |
| 20:48.10 | somiaj | iio7: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804261 |
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| 20:48.15 | Guest90945 | is there a way to remove nautilus bookmarks ... which are shoved down my throat .. music picutes .. i dont need that shit .. not even home |
| 20:48.23 | somiaj | iio7: it depends on an outdated gstreamer and was thus removed as per that bug report (and others you can look up) |
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| 20:50.05 | iio7 | somiaj, thanks, it's kinda needed in xfce4. |
| 20:50.47 | somiaj | iio7: might depend on who you ask. Maybe they have plans to replace it with another mixer. |
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| 20:51.42 | Mitzelflick | stop using xfce |
| 20:51.47 | Mitzelflick | use iceWM |
| 20:51.57 | Mitzelflick | its like people using oracle, I say stop |
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| 20:53.27 | iio7 | Mitzelflick, what are you talking about!? Xfce4 is great. |
| 20:53.43 | iio7 | iceWM, is crap. |
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| 20:55.33 | epsilon | btw xfce4, I can change the theme as usual in the themes in directly attached screen. But I can't if I opne xfce4 in a vnc session - no matter which theme i select, nothing is changing. what's wrong / is that a known issue? |
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| 20:56.26 | epsilon | so xfce4 via vnc remains in default theme, i even can't change the font size |
| 20:56.34 | somiaj | iio7: note testing is still a ways from the release, there is plenty of time to file a bug report or to wait for a new xfce4-mixer to make it into testing that doesn't depend on the old gstreamer. |
| 20:56.58 | somiaj | iio7: so don't take it is not there now as it won't be there by the time of the release. Also check bug reports or the mailing list to see if they have info on this. |
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| 21:00.02 | nikoma | Hey, I am trying to enable touchpad scrolling and when I do the first command (egrep) on this page https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad it returns nothing |
| 21:00.09 | nikoma | any idea what could be the problem? |
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| 21:00.19 | nikoma | Thinkpad E550 is my laptop |
| 21:00.20 | Mitzelflick | iceWM is cooler than xfce and smaller |
| 21:00.23 | Mitzelflick | :) |
| 21:00.31 | Mitzelflick | vote republican I do |
| 21:00.41 | Mitzelflick | end all welfare |
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| 21:01.02 | markybob | Mitzelflick, are you trying to get kicked out? |
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| 21:03.15 | somiaj | Mitzelflick: note debian likes to give its users the choice. They can chose between many desktops/wms. We should support the choice they make and not push our faviort wm on them (unless someone asks for opinions). |
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| 21:06.37 | gzcwnk | %8it3M3! |
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| 21:07.49 | Mitzelflick | choice |
| 21:08.40 | greycat | hunter2 |
| 21:09.01 | Mitzelflick | did you guys read that 4 random words together are harder to crack than a password with numbers and caps? |
| 21:09.02 | gzcwnk | amazing, as a republican I didnt think you get it |
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| 21:09.21 | centrx | Mitzelflick, You mean like "Make America Great Again"? |
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| 21:09.55 | greycat | Or like "Politicians Should Act Ethically" |
| 21:10.02 | Mitzelflick | Well i am technically a liberal, which is a person for unregulated capitalism, unlike a democrat, which is a communist, I dont get this term libertarian, and dont believe in the word conservative |
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| 21:10.14 | centrx | Mitzelflick, Technically, you're offtopic |
| 21:10.19 | gzcwnk | that is rubbish |
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| 21:10.25 | Mitzelflick | voltaire was a liberal, as were lazie faire capitalists |
| 21:10.29 | ewew | offtopic |
| 21:10.36 | centrx | !offtopic |
| 21:10.36 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:10.40 | greycat | Anyway. gzcwnk, i that was a password, you should change it. |
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| 21:10.52 | gzcwnk | biteme? |
| 21:10.56 | ragniar | numbers and upercase add more posibles |
| 21:11.00 | eb0t | # rsync -r -t -update -delete /directory/a/ /directory/b |
| 21:11.12 | greycat | eb0t: this isn't #rsync either. |
| 21:11.13 | eb0t | will that ensure that direcotry b is exact compy of directory a |
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| 21:11.23 | GrafZahl102 | Hi. Is Debian a good choice for a dedicated server with a AMD processor? Some peoples told me I should use Ubuntu if I have a AMD processor ... ? |
| 21:11.35 | gzcwnk | garf no difference |
| 21:11.38 | gzcwnk | agrf |
| 21:11.40 | gzcwnk | ffs |
| 21:11.45 | eb0t | rsync -r -t -update -delete /directory/a/ /directory/b |
| 21:11.49 | gzcwnk | garf, lol dun matter |
| 21:11.50 | somiaj | eb0t: double check you want the trailing slash there, I think you want /directory/a as opposed to /directory/a/ (but I always get confused about he trailing slash) |
| 21:11.50 | greycat | I am not going to look up all those damned options. I just use rsync -a --delete. |
| 21:12.09 | eb0t | trailing slash just means it takes the contents of that directory |
| 21:12.11 | greycat | And when in doubt, *test* it. |
| 21:12.27 | eb0t | if i took it away it would start trying to copy the entire directory |
| 21:12.30 | somiaj | eb0t: then I'm backwards. I always have to read the man page there. (: |
| 21:12.45 | eb0t | yes its easy t get confused |
| 21:13.13 | eb0t | the /means back up what is beyond this point to directory b |
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| 21:13.28 | eb0t | im gonna have to test it |
| 21:13.48 | GrafZahl102 | Hi. Is Debian a good choice for a dedicated server with a AMD processor? Some peoples told me I should use Ubuntu if I have a AMD processor ... ? |
| 21:13.57 | gzcwnk | graf, yes |
| 21:14.08 | gzcwnk | graf the kernel is teh same |
| 21:14.12 | Mitzelflick | GrafZahl102: debian is a good choice, sure, ubuntu is debian inside |
| 21:14.14 | abrotman | GrafZahl102: should be fine |
| 21:14.18 | GrafZahl102 | Oh, you already told me ... didn't seen, sorry |
| 21:14.25 | Mitzelflick | GrafZahl102: freebsd is nice too, what will your server do ? |
| 21:14.36 | greycat | Ubuntu is Debian with extra crap added and changed for desktop users. So I don't know why you would choose it for a server, ever. |
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| 21:14.52 | gzcwnk | graf if someone told you that they are a moron frankly. Choose the OS based on the application as the first choice |
| 21:15.12 | Mitzelflick | GrafZahl102: archlinux is a interesting linux, and nixos |
| 21:15.13 | GrafZahl102 | Mitzelflick: Hosting HTTP(S), FTP and some virtual machines who provides additional services |
| 21:15.30 | gzcwnk | so if say apache runs best on debian, use debian, if its best on ubuntu, use ubuntu. |
| 21:15.41 | Mitzelflick | GrafZahl102: what kinda services? you know one apache can serve 1,000 websites right? |
| 21:15.51 | somiaj | GrafZahl102: either will work, but almsot everyone here will sugest debian. |
| 21:16.12 | gzcwnk | Graf so its a VM host? |
| 21:16.24 | GrafZahl102 | Mitzelflick: Yes, I know. I'm planning to create some virtual machines for easy maintenance etc |
| 21:17.12 | beergear | GrafZahl102: just use whatever you are comfortable using. There isn't any difference across processorsors for common architectures(x86_64,AMD64 etc) w/ the major linux distros. |
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| 21:17.26 | GrafZahl102 | Or should I create a standalone VM host and create HTTP etc inside my VMs? |
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| 21:17.47 | beergear | *processors |
| 21:17.53 | Mitzelflick | GrafZahl102: I would forget virtualizaton completely |
| 21:17.54 | gzcwnk | Graf the VM host should just serve the VM guests |
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| 21:18.20 | GrafZahl102 | Mitzelflick: Can you please explain me why? |
| 21:18.25 | Mitzelflick | in my opinon virtualziation and san are scams |
| 21:18.38 | Colti | Grafzahl102 which graphic card are you using? |
| 21:18.39 | gzcwnk | I prefer VMware for that myself but I use KVM with RHEL as well |
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| 21:18.48 | Mitzelflick | name based virtual hosts lets you run N site son 1 server |
| 21:18.49 | greycat | Colti: for a server?! |
| 21:18.56 | Colti | ah ok :) |
| 21:19.06 | Mitzelflick | lol |
| 21:19.10 | GrafZahl102 | :O |
| 21:19.24 | Mitzelflick | hey maybe he good enuf to us gpu to fastprcess stuff |
| 21:19.25 | GrafZahl102 | Well, if you're planning to play on the server ... lol |
| 21:19.35 | Mitzelflick | m-wan for webserver |
| 21:19.41 | Mitzelflick | ops g-wan |
| 21:20.00 | gzcwnk | As a good rule dont play on the VM host at all if you are serious about stability |
| 21:20.24 | Mitzelflick | virualization is scam to keep java frankwork burocrats happy |
| 21:20.36 | Mitzelflick | framework burocrats |
| 21:20.47 | gzcwnk | mitzelflick, you are wrong |
| 21:20.56 | Mitzelflick | I think werc and rc and a big fileserver raid 10 are win |
| 21:21.09 | Mitzelflick | real progrgammers understand name based vhosts |
| 21:21.12 | GrafZahl102 | Virtualization is good to provide more services. Less hardware, more IP's == more services |
| 21:21.14 | GrafZahl102 | right? |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | Mitzelflick: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 21:21.23 | beergear | lol 'real programmers' |
| 21:21.28 | beergear | are you also the one true scotsman? |
| 21:21.31 | gzcwnk | Ever tried to get 2.5TB in a single fileserver? or 1.5PB for disk? |
| 21:21.33 | Mitzelflick | yes where is g-wan repo? |
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| 21:22.02 | Mitzelflick | a lnux server can have many virtual ip without virtualization |
| 21:22.06 | gzcwnk | Graf, yes, also HA |
| 21:22.10 | Mitzelflick | a bond can have many |
| 21:22.25 | Mitzelflick | so bond your nics and then have mutliple ip if need, but name based vhosts alleviate need |
| 21:22.27 | Mitzelflick | mostly |
| 21:22.43 | greycat | I don't think programmers know anything about virtual hosts at all. Sysadmins do. |
| 21:22.46 | GrafZahl102 | The processor have AMD-V and additional virtualization features - what virtualization software/engine can you recommend me? |
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| 21:22.49 | Mitzelflick | xfs goes into etabypes doesnt it for fileserver? |
| 21:22.55 | Mitzelflick | I forget how big reiserFS goes |
| 21:23.00 | Mitzelflick | JFS can get big too |
| 21:23.01 | ewew | Why do you think virtualization is a scam. Details. |
| 21:23.10 | Mitzelflick | because name based virtual hosts exist |
| 21:23.13 | gzcwnk | Graf any Linux distro, use teh one you like the most |
| 21:23.25 | Mitzelflick | and virtualziation causes messes and confusion |
| 21:23.47 | GrafZahl102 | gzcwnk: A linux distro is a virtualization software? :O |
| 21:24.03 | ewew | GrafZahl102 No. |
| 21:24.14 | gzcwnk | garf ubuntu, debian and RHEL have KVM, so it doesnt matter which really |
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| 21:24.28 | GrafZahl102 | Ah |
| 21:24.39 | GrafZahl102 | So you meant every distro have the same software |
| 21:24.43 | Mitzelflick | that sphilospophical |
| 21:24.45 | gzcwnk | I use Vmware ESXi for serious use |
| 21:24.48 | greycat | GrafZahl102: Pehaps if you said *why* you are virtualizing, people could give more helpful suggestions. |
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| 21:25.38 | GrafZahl102 | Well, I want a testing machine for myself, and 1-3 other machines for my services on diferent IP addresses |
| 21:25.51 | GrafZahl102 | I have a own IP subnet |
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| 21:29.34 | benstrumental | Who reviews packages that are uploaded into the Debian repository via dupload? |
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| 21:29.38 | abrotman | Mitzelflick: there is no "g-wan" repo, either it's packaged for Debian or it's not. |
| 21:29.51 | abrotman | benstrumental: the FTP Masters one would think? |
| 21:30.24 | GrafZahl102 | No answer? |
| 21:30.26 | benstrumental | abrotman: If your package does not meet their requirements, will they provide feedback on fitting those requirements? |
| 21:30.37 | abrotman | GrafZahl102: answer to what? |
| 21:30.44 | abrotman | benstrumental: so will Lintian |
| 21:31.16 | GrafZahl102 | What virtualization software should I use |
| 21:31.41 | beergear | kvm/qemu |
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| 21:31.46 | Mitzelflick | none |
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| 21:31.58 | beergear | ^ don't listen to that |
| 21:32.24 | ewew | Mitzelflick Define exact details why not. |
| 21:32.36 | GrafZahl102 | Mitzelflick: Please explain, otherwise you're not useful ... |
| 21:32.38 | beergear | kvm or vmware seems to be the choice |
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| 21:33.38 | GrafZahl102 | beergear: Okay, I'll take a look on KVM first, thanks :) |
| 21:34.23 | GrafZahl102 | Oh, and last question: Does Debian support 32 GB of RAM out of the box? Or do I need a custom kernel? |
| 21:34.24 | beergear | np :) |
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| 21:34.32 | gzcwnk | sorry was called to build a new debain server |
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| 21:34.46 | gzcwnk | Graf, 32gb is fine |
| 21:34.56 | GrafZahl102 | Okay, thank you very much :) |
| 21:35.03 | gzcwnk | even 512gb |
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| 21:35.14 | GrafZahl102 | or tb :D |
| 21:35.29 | gzcwnk | not sure what teh memory limit is these days |
| 21:35.42 | gzcwnk | for our 512gb+ we use vmeare |
| 21:35.47 | ewew | not sure, but 64 bit number ? |
| 21:35.48 | gzcwnk | vmware |
| 21:36.29 | gzcwnk | hasnt made a custom kernel in a decade |
| 21:36.45 | GrafZahl102 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_limit |
| 21:36.50 | GrafZahl102 | Could be interesting :D |
| 21:37.10 | ewew | this is multifactor thing. |
| 21:37.26 | ewew | it depends on many things. |
| 21:38.14 | gzcwnk | many OSes are only tested to a certian ram amount, RHEL6 is 2TB I think |
| 21:38.39 | gzcwnk | but if you send me a 4tb box, I will test it for you |
| 21:38.39 | gzcwnk | :D |
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| 21:38.53 | ewew | the kernel must operate reliably on common systems. |
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| 21:39.06 | ewew | not some special configs. |
| 21:39.28 | GrafZahl102 | http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-16-tb-ram-pc-when/ |
| 21:39.29 | GrafZahl102 | :O |
| 21:39.39 | GrafZahl102 | If the hardware doesn't support that .... very useless |
| 21:39.52 | gzcwnk | Garf, you would also have to consider some kernel tuning |
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| 21:40.51 | GrafZahl102 | " If the past is any guide, some of us will be using 16 TB PCs in 2025. " ... Aha, let's wait 10 years and let's see :) |
| 21:41.08 | gzcwnk | graf how many CPUs do you have? |
| 21:41.15 | GrafZahl102 | in my server? |
| 21:41.19 | gzcwnk | as a rule 12gb and 4 cores is about it |
| 21:41.33 | markybob | no |
| 21:41.45 | GrafZahl102 | 1 processor sockel, 8 cores |
| 21:42.04 | gzcwnk | so to run 32gb of ram you will probably need 8 or more cores |
| 21:42.45 | GrafZahl102 | Eh |
| 21:42.46 | GrafZahl102 | Okay |
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| 21:43.03 | gzcwnk | deepnds on the VMs sizing but Im finding with 16gb I run out of cores before I run out of ram |
| 21:43.25 | GrafZahl102 | Never heard that :O |
| 21:44.00 | gzcwnk | well with 32gb that suggests a lot of VMs all of them wantring access to the CPU via a schedualer |
| 21:44.33 | gzcwnk | so this box is RHEL7 with KVM and 16gb and 4 cores |
| 21:45.01 | GrafZahl102 | Is that good? |
| 21:45.02 | gzcwnk | I just seem to run out of cores at about 12gb |
| 21:45.03 | GrafZahl102 | :D |
| 21:45.11 | GrafZahl102 | I'm not really familar with hardware |
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| 21:46.08 | gzcwnk | hyperthreading seems to help |
| 21:46.51 | GrafZahl102 | As far as I know, AMD doesn't have Hyperthread |
| 21:47.03 | gzcwnk | well you have 8 real cores |
| 21:47.10 | DrDoofenshmirtz | hyperthreading is an intel technology, AMD cannot have it |
| 21:47.11 | gzcwnk | what ghz btw? |
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| 21:47.18 | GrafZahl102 | lemme check |
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| 21:47.58 | gzcwnk | For production I use xeons. |
| 21:47.58 | GrafZahl102 | 3.2 GHz |
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| 21:48.11 | gzcwnk | 8 cores at 3.2ghz will fly |
| 21:48.25 | gzcwnk | make a good minecraft box |
| 21:48.27 | gzcwnk | :) |
| 21:48.41 | GrafZahl102 | lol |
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| 21:49.21 | gzcwnk | My minecraft server is 8 x 2.4ghz cores and 24gb... |
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| 21:50.12 | abrotman | eh, AMD processors have the ht flag .. |
| 21:50.14 | gzcwnk | graf this is just to paly though? |
| 21:50.31 | gzcwnk | paly |
| 21:50.35 | gzcwnk | play |
| 21:50.39 | gzcwnk | doh |
| 21:50.39 | abrotman | though, I may be telling a bunch of people that don't know what the ht flag is ... |
| 21:51.09 | GrafZahl102 | http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-Opteron%206328%20-%20OS6328WKT8GHK.html |
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| 21:53.46 | gzcwnk | graf there is your limit, Physical memory384 GB (per socket |
| 21:53.55 | gzcwnk | according to that page |
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| 21:54.27 | GrafZahl102 | Yup |
| 21:54.31 | gzcwnk | We buy Dell so tend to stay on xeons for our VM setup |
| 21:54.56 | gzcwnk | you cant really have AMD and intel CPUs in the same cluster |
| 21:54.57 | Pscion | Isn't ht Hypertransport for AMD? |
| 21:55.35 | GrafZahl102 | Maybe it's the same, but different name |
| 21:55.43 | GrafZahl102 | due to copyright etc |
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| 21:56.33 | GrafZahl102 | AMD-V 2.0 / AMD Virtualization technology 2.0 |
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| 21:56.44 | GrafZahl102 | Hmm, I can't find any information about 2.0 |
| 21:57.00 | Pscion | Different things from my understanding |
| 21:57.14 | gzcwnk | http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/hypertransport |
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| 21:58.04 | GrafZahl102 | is 2-3 minutes away (eating a banana) |
| 21:58.12 | Pscion | Hyper transport being a bus architecture for interconnection between cpus and Hyper threading being a means of Intel cpus to thread tasks across multiple cores |
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| 22:01.16 | Pscion | Not multiple cores, but in general. |
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| 22:03.33 | GrafZahl102 | Back |
| 22:03.34 | GrafZahl102 | Maybe |
| 22:03.35 | GrafZahl102 | :) |
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| 22:06.20 | soxxx | hey |
| 22:06.58 | GrafZahl102 | Yo |
| 22:07.23 | soxxx | I have some problems, my graphic interface disappear, an whenever I use startx it says that command not found |
| 22:07.29 | soxxx | can you please help me in debbuging that issue? |
| 22:07.57 | greycat | for the command, install the xinit package |
| 22:08.30 | greycat | If "graphic interface disappear" means that X is crashing, then I don't have any simple answers. |
| 22:08.41 | soxxx | The package list or status file could not be parsed or opened. - while apt-get install xinit |
| 22:08.54 | greycat | You have some bigger problems, then. |
| 22:09.27 | greycat | I hope you've got a backup from before whatever event caused your dpkg status file to go missing.... |
| 22:09.29 | soxxx | well, to be honest I did some weird thinkgs in my VM (long time ago). Now I've opened and got these "bigger problems". I thought, I could try to fix it |
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| 22:09.55 | soxxx | I don't care about backup, it just tras-VM machine. However I'd like to know how can I debug linux issue |
| 22:10.21 | greycat | A missing dpkg status file (/var/lib/dpkg/status) means you can't do *anything* with the Debian pacakge management tools at all. |
| 22:10.44 | greycat | You can see if there is a /var/lib/dpkg/status-old and if so, copy that. |
| 22:10.50 | soxxx | and one more problem, as I can see: libperl.so.5.14 missing |
| 22:10.59 | soxxx | (got that error while trying use vi) |
| 22:11.31 | greycat | If you truly don't care about the content of this VM I would suggest reinstalling. |
| 22:12.01 | soxxx | I just wanna learn how to fix linux issue. What if I'd have such a problem with important-conent. It's just VM, I wanna learn how to debug issues |
| 22:12.13 | soxxx | ok, I've copied old status-old as status |
| 22:12.24 | greycat | This is not a "linux issue". This is a meteor strike against your file system causing random things to go missing. |
| 22:12.30 | soxxx | (btw, what should I do, if there were no status-old)? |
| 22:12.37 | greycat | Restore it from your backup. |
| 22:12.46 | soxxx | and I'd had no backup? |
| 22:12.51 | greycat | Reinstall. |
| 22:13.00 | GrafZahl102 | Is that normal that you'll be banned from every windows channel if ask for a windows+linux boot problem? o.O |
| 22:13.05 | soxxx | like install from source? But how to deinstall? |
| 22:13.14 | greycat | soxxx: reinstall Debian from installation media. |
| 22:13.24 | soxxx | ouch :x |
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| 22:13.53 | soxxx | apt-get install xinit: unmet dependencies |
| 22:14.00 | soxxx | tried install -f - still the same |
| 22:14.08 | greycat | And those dependencies are...? |
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| 22:14.23 | soxxx | oh, a lot of them, pretty long list |
| 22:14.40 | soxxx | but all related to perlapi |
| 22:15.01 | soxxx | perlapi-5.14.2 not instalable |
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| 22:15.36 | greycat | you're on wheezy, and it is provided by perl-base |
| 22:15.52 | soxxx | how to check that? |
| 22:15.57 | greycat | Reinstall perl-base. |
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| 22:16.20 | soxxx | apt-get install perl-base ? |
| 22:16.22 | swift110 | msg nickserv identify ant |
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| 22:16.42 | greycat | soxxx: maybe. or maybe apt-get --reinstall install perl-base |
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| 22:17.02 | soxxx | the same, unmet dependencies |
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| 22:17.45 | soxxx | and the same list |
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| 22:18.04 | greycat | Did you simply remove 1 out of every 50 files at random? |
| 22:18.54 | soxxx | it was long time ago. I don't remember what I did :x |
| 22:19.30 | soxxx | the only depenencies missing are: perlapi, php5-common, and something for lsof |
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| 22:19.57 | greycat | lsof and php5-common shouldn't be required for any of the core stuff like perlapi, libc6, dpkg, apt, ... |
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| 22:21.18 | soxxx | libperl15.14 : Depends: perl-base (=5.14.2-21+deb7u2) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u is installed |
| 22:21.22 | soxxx | also got this line |
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| 22:22.10 | soxxx | but I cant remove old perl-base :x |
| 22:22.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I need to fill out and sign XFL-based PDFs so I must use Adobe Reader. I have it installed, but I can't add my security certificate because the configuration window requires an HTML renderer that I can't find. It's asking for libgtkembedmoz.so or libxul.so. |
| 22:22.42 | soxxx | how's that possible? |
| 22:23.01 | Pegasus_RPG | I have three versions of libxul.so but apparently too new for Adobe reader. Is there anywhere I can get a compatible one? |
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| 22:26.10 | soxxx | and also got dependencies error while trying to remove it with dpkg |
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| 22:26.55 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: apparently something still depends on it |
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| 22:27.07 | soxxx | how can I remove everything which depends on it? |
| 22:27.19 | Pegasus_RPG | apt-get remove perl-base should do the trick |
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| 22:27.46 | soxxx | percY-: with apt-get * I got unmet dependencies |
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| 22:29.36 | soxxx | this is essential package, it should not be removed :x |
| 22:29.40 | soxxx | how to bypass this message? |
| 22:29.53 | Pegasus_RPG | That should give you pause |
| 22:30.07 | Pegasus_RPG | a number of system packages depend on perl-base |
| 22:30.19 | Pegasus_RPG | You will likely break your system if you remove it |
| 22:30.27 | soxxx | THe problem is I miss some libraries with that, system report error with perlapi |
| 22:30.31 | soxxx | and I have no idea how to reinstall it |
| 22:30.34 | soxxx | if I cannot remove it |
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| 22:32.42 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 22:33.02 | soxxx | unmet dependencies - the same |
| 22:33.08 | Pegasus_RPG | apt-get -f install |
| 22:33.30 | soxxx | Subprocess returned error code (and a lot of output) |
| 22:34.24 | Pegasus_RPG | pastebin that |
| 22:34.49 | soxxx | I'm on my VM, I dont know how to copy-paste from it |
| 22:35.00 | soxxx | I used to ssh to my host, but now ssh does not work too :/ |
| 22:35.25 | Pegasus_RPG | You might be looking at a reinstall |
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| 22:35.53 | soxxx | I wanna learn how to debug problems in linux |
| 22:35.57 | Pegasus_RPG | I mean, the situation is recoverable, but we won't be able to help you if we can't see the output |
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| 22:36.17 | Pegasus_RPG | Take a screen shot in the worst case |
| 22:36.19 | soxxx | the main problem is that: libperl15.14 : Depends: perl-base (=5.14.2-21+deb7u2) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u is installed |
| 22:36.31 | Pegasus_RPG | okay, remove libperl15.14 |
| 22:36.36 | Pegasus_RPG | or upgrade it |
| 22:36.42 | soxxx | how should I do it? |
| 22:37.12 | Pegasus_RPG | apt-get remove <package> |
| 22:37.39 | soxxx | unmet dependencies |
| 22:37.55 | soxxx | hmm, dpkg seems to work |
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| 22:38.11 | Pegasus_RPG | yes, dpkg is a low-level tool that apt-get calls |
| 22:38.34 | Pegasus_RPG | do apt-get -f install after a dpkg operation to ensure things are consistent |
| 22:38.35 | jhutchins | soxxx: WHat release are you on? Do you have repositories in your sources.list that are not the official ones for that release? |
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| 22:39.11 | jhutchins | soxxx: Ah, I see it's wheezy. |
| 22:39.15 | soxxx | probably yes, I've messed up a lot with this VM. The only reason why I'm not reinstalling it, is that I wanna try to learn how to debug linux problems |
| 22:39.25 | jhutchins | ,v perl-base |
| 22:39.26 | judd | Package: perl-base on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u2; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u1; sid: 5.20.2-6; stretch: 5.20.2-6; experimental: 5.22.0-4 |
| 22:40.02 | soxxx | Depends: perlapi-5.12.2 but is it not installable |
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| 22:40.07 | jhutchins | soxxx: You could upgrade the whole thing to jessie. That should fix things if you haven't installed from sid as well. |
| 22:40.09 | soxxx | thats the line I see the most, whie apt-get |
| 22:40.29 | soxxx | i can't whenever I use apt-get I got errors |
| 22:40.38 | soxxx | that's perl problem I guess |
| 22:40.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Upgrading to jessie would be recommended anyway since it's the current stable |
| 22:40.41 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 22:40.41 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 22:41.02 | jhutchins | soxxx: If you've broken apt though, a restore/reinstall is probably the answer. |
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| 22:41.46 | soxxx | I mean, apt-get is probably broken 'cos of perl |
| 22:41.52 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: correct |
| 22:42.06 | soxxx | so how should I remove perl and install it one again? |
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| 22:42.34 | Pegasus_RPG | if apt is broken, all you have left is dpkg. But you then have to manually figure out all of the dependencies |
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| 22:43.02 | Pegasus_RPG | honestly, it's not worth it if there's nothing critical on this system. It would actually be quicker to reinstall the OS with latest stable |
| 22:43.32 | soxxx | Depends: perlapi-5.12.2 but is it not installable |
| 22:43.42 | soxxx | that's the line which bugs me, what does it suppsoe to mean? How should i fix it? |
| 22:43.59 | soxxx | Depends: perlapi-5.14.2 but is it not installable |
| 22:44.13 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: start by searching for 'perlapi' at http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:44.21 | jhutchins | Most of this try mixing distributions or releases at some point in learning linux. It eventually ends up with a reinstall. |
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| 22:44.34 | jhutchins | s/this/us/ |
| 22:44.36 | Pegasus_RPG | learned that the hard way once |
| 22:45.20 | jhutchins | The system is often still usable, but you can't maintain packages. |
| 22:45.35 | jhutchins | (Actually, the system usually breaks as you try to fix the package problem.) |
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| 22:45.59 | chris51469 | hi everyone, i have a question about swap partition |
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| 22:46.17 | chris51469 | is it necessary with 12GB of RAM? |
| 22:46.21 | jhutchins | chris51469: Twice the RAM up to 4GB. |
| 22:46.23 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: on that note, is there a tool that lists all dependencies for a given package recursively, incase he wants to dpkg -i them all? |
| 22:46.46 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Apt. |
| 22:47.15 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: :) Let me be more specific: what command would accomplish that? |
| 22:47.16 | soxxx | but why on hell I cant remove perl-base with dpkg? |
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| 22:47.26 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: you can, but you'll make your problem worse |
| 22:47.37 | soxxx | how can I do that? |
| 22:47.50 | soxxx | if perl doesnt work, what's the problem in removing perl-base? |
| 22:47.58 | Pegasus_RPG | dpkg --help talks about a --force option |
| 22:47.58 | dpkg | Pegasus_RPG: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:48.11 | soxxx | Pegasus_RPG: tried that, and it doesnt allow me |
| 22:48.46 | Pegasus_RPG | wow. I've never gotten to the point where I wanted to forcibly remove such an essential pacakge |
| 22:49.14 | markybob | soxxx, you should be thanking dpkg for not allowing you without reading the man page...that's a messed up thing to want to do |
| 22:49.15 | soxxx | :D |
| 22:49.33 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Actually, dpkg -I should show you dependencies. |
| 22:49.40 | soxxx | dpkg --configure -a: error processing ifupdown |
| 22:49.40 | dpkg | no idea, soxxx |
| 22:50.06 | jhutchins | soxxx: put a # in front of your dpkg commands here so as not to annoy the bot. |
| 22:50.14 | soxxx | ok |
| 22:50.18 | soxxx | #dpkg --configure -a: error processing ifupdown |
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| 22:51.35 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: note that you can reinstall a package simply by just installing it over itself. You don't have to remove it first, especially if other things depend on it. |
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| 22:52.02 | soxxx | all I got is this perlapi error |
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| 22:52.06 | soxxx | whenever I use apt-get |
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| 22:52.18 | Pegasus_RPG | I can't even find a package called perlapi. |
| 22:52.23 | soxxx | a hugee list of libraries, all says: Depends: perlapi-5.14.2 but is it not installable |
| 22:52.24 | RayzrShrp | anybody know why when i use untar its making all the files in the archive into directories? |
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| 22:52.35 | RayzrShrp | can i move the directories back to files some how? |
| 22:52.44 | soxxx | for example: |
| 22:52.44 | soxxx | libsnmp-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.14.2 but is it not installable |
| 22:52.59 | soxxx | and tons of: lib*-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.14.2 but is it not installable |
| 22:53.30 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: it's telling you what packages.debian.org confirms: there's no such package' |
| 22:53.54 | soxxx | so how to get rid of this eror-line? |
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| 22:53.59 | Pegasus_RPG | There really isn't much else you can do at this point beyond reinstalling |
| 22:53.59 | soxxx | libsnmp-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.14.2 but is it not installable |
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| 22:54.31 | Pegasus_RPG | why your system is looking for a package that doesn't exist is a mystery |
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| 22:55.26 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: oh, that is the perl-base package |
| 22:55.51 | thurstylark | I just started up an nfs share, and I can't get the usernames to map correctly. I've set the client to force idmapd to run, and I have confirmed it's running on my server, but I can't get them to cooperate. What do I need to look at next? |
| 22:56.07 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: What CPU arch do you have installed? |
| 22:56.21 | soxxx | x64 |
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| 22:56.51 | Pegasus_RPG | So a search here tells you which package you need: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=perl-base |
| 22:57.13 | Pegasus_RPG | So on the affected system, do wget "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl-base_5.14.2-21+deb7u2_amd64.deb" |
| 22:57.20 | Pegasus_RPG | then dpkg -i perl-base_5.14.2-21+deb7u2_amd64.deb |
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| 22:58.20 | RayzrShrp | is there a way to move a directory to a file? |
| 22:58.40 | Pegasus_RPG | RayzrShrp: what do you mean? |
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| 22:59.07 | matat | RayzrShrp, you can move a whole directory |
| 22:59.16 | RayzrShrp | Pegasus_RPG: when i download the mysticbbs rar and extract it using unrar all the files are made directories which they are not |
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| 22:59.33 | RayzrShrp | so a text file is being turned into a directoty |
| 22:59.47 | Pegasus_RPG | sounds like a corrupted archive to me |
| 23:00.01 | matat | ^ |
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| 23:00.35 | RayzrShrp | i use unrar -t archive and it looks fine |
| 23:00.42 | RayzrShrp | i also downloaded it from 2 seperate sources |
| 23:00.45 | RayzrShrp | exact same size |
| 23:00.51 | soxxx | Pegasus_RPG: still problems |
| 23:00.54 | RayzrShrp | exact same issue when i extract them |
| 23:01.07 | Pegasus_RPG | RayzrShrp: corrupted un-rar program? |
| 23:01.18 | RayzrShrp | program seems to run just fine |
| 23:01.31 | matat | RayzrShrp, try an to unrar a totally different archive |
| 23:01.35 | matat | and see if it still does it |
| 23:01.49 | soxxx | Pegasus_RPG: now some files requires perl 5.20... |
| 23:02.45 | RayzrShrp | is unrar the only program that can extract rar under linux"? |
| 23:03.02 | Pegasus_RPG | RayzrShrp: I just got it from http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysticbbs/files/1.11%20Stable/mys111l.rar/download and used 'unrar x <rarfile>' and it worked fine on my system using UNRAR 5.21 |
| 23:03.02 | matat | im sure it isn't though i dont personally know any others |
| 23:03.37 | RayzrShrp | well wtf |
| 23:03.52 | RayzrShrp | so apt-get install unrar should install unrar 5.21 right? |
| 23:04.05 | Pegasus_RPG | RayzrShrp: correct |
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| 23:04.22 | Pegasus_RPG | hmm, dpkg say I have 1:5.2.7-0.1 installed |
| 23:04.37 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: so install that. Does apt-get work now? |
| 23:04.41 | RayzrShrp | E: Package 'unrar' has no installation candidate |
| 23:04.50 | soxxx | Pegasus_RPG: no, still does not |
| 23:04.52 | benstrumental | Does package need to have zero lintian errors/warnings in order to be checked in to Debian repository? |
| 23:04.58 | Pegasus_RPG | RayzrShrp: I think you need to add contrib to your sources |
| 23:05.10 | soxxx | "Depends perl but it is not installed" :o how's that possible? |
| 23:05.33 | markybob | RayzrShrp, Pegasus_RPG it's not contrib. it's non-free |
| 23:06.01 | RayzrShrp | so i need to add non-free to apt/source? |
| 23:06.06 | markybob | yes |
| 23:06.10 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: so go to packages.debian.org, search for perl, limit it to your CPU arch and version (wheezy) and choose the most appropriate package. Click on it, scroll to the bottom, get the download link, then wget it on the target system, then dpkg -i it |
| 23:06.30 | soxxx | ok, thx! |
| 23:06.52 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: then test apt again. Get that working and your life will be much easier |
| 23:07.21 | RayzrShrp | boom! thanks a lot |
| 23:07.30 | RayzrShrp | weird so unrar-free was the issue |
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| 23:08.12 | markybob | not weird. but yeah |
| 23:08.17 | soxxx | Pegasus_RPG: but I've installed perl-base 5.14.2-21 |
| 23:08.22 | soxxx | i cant find the same version of perl |
| 23:08.59 | markybob | ,v perl-base |
| 23:09.01 | judd | Package: perl-base on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u2; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u1; sid: 5.20.2-6; stretch: 5.20.2-6; experimental: 5.22.0-4 |
| 23:09.17 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: it's just called 'perl' https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=perl (exact hits) |
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| 23:10.19 | soxxx | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl_5.20.2-3+deb8u1_amd64.deb ? |
| 23:10.35 | soxxx | but I got perl-base deb7u |
| 23:10.36 | markybob | no |
| 23:10.42 | soxxx | and here it is deb8u1 |
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| 23:11.09 | markybob | soxxx, if this is just for fun like you said...stop. really. |
| 23:11.11 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: that means at least one of your sources.list entries has "jessie" in it which it shouldn't if you're on Wheezy |
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| 23:12.31 | soxxx | hmm, you are right, some of them are jessie, how my source.list should look like? |
| 23:12.45 | Pegasus_RPG | but yeah, what markybob said. You won't find a system in the real world messed up this badly unless there's a hardware failure. Then all bets are off on the software/data side of things anyway. |
| 23:13.08 | soxxx | but I've learned some new things today, liek really :) |
| 23:13.40 | Pegasus_RPG | But all of your sources shoudl all have the same version, "wheezy" in your case. So change anything that says "jessie" or "stable" to "wheezy" |
| 23:13.59 | Pegasus_RPG | Get the system stable at wheezy, then you can upgrade to jessie |
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| 23:17.05 | benstrumental | Should a package pass lintian with 0 errors and warnings before being uploaded to Debian repository? |
| 23:17.41 | soxxx | ok, so now what? I got old version of perl-base, how should I update it without apt-get ? |
| 23:17.50 | markybob | benstrumental, #debian-mentors irc.debian.org |
| 23:18.12 | benstrumental | markybob: Thank you |
| 23:18.25 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: if you installed the version I mentioned, you have the correct one. It sounds like you now need to do the same for perl itself |
| 23:18.37 | N3X15 | Here's an odd one for you: I'm getting a "read timeout is reached" error from a CLI PHP script, and I cannot find that string in any project connected to the script, nor can I find it on Google. It ends the script permaturely and without a trailing newline, leading me to beleive it's something deeper than PHP. Any ideas? |
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| 23:19.04 | soxxx | Pegasus_RPG: but the version you gave is 5.14.2-21+deb7u2 |
| 23:19.08 | Pegasus_RPG | Do what I said: go to packages.debian.org to find the download link for the correct package for your system (wheezy, amd64) |
| 23:19.19 | markybob | N3X15, without reading your code i couldn't being to fathom |
| 23:19.26 | soxxx | og so i have to isntall http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl_5.14.2-21+deb7u2_amd64.deb now? |
| 23:20.13 | N3X15 | It happens during a MySQL request, markybob; It's an old script using ADODB, and ADODB doesn't have that string. |
| 23:20.44 | Pegasus_RPG | soxxx: yup |
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| 23:26.50 | Pegasus_RPG | If I have a multiarch amd64 system, should I be able to install an i386 .deb? |
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| 23:28.06 | Pegasus_RPG | oh nevermind, I am able. |
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| 23:41.14 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Is anyone else here using Adobe Acrobat Reader 9.5.5 in Debian stable? |
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| 23:41.39 | Pegasus_RPG | I finally got an i386 version of xulrunner installed but now acroread is crashing when it tries to invoke it. |
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| 23:42.30 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: we won't support it. Why do you need adboe reader? There are plenty of pdf readers in jessie already that don't require going though this mess |
| 23:43.52 | Pegasus_RPG | somiaj: Because I need to fill out and sign PDFs with Adobe's proprietary XML forms crap in them |
| 23:44.19 | Pegasus_RPG | trust me, I'd rather not go through this either. I love Okular |
| 23:44.31 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: have you checked to see if wine supports this? |
| 23:44.56 | Pegasus_RPG | o_O why would I use that when there is a Linux-native version? |
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| 23:45.21 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: because I wouldn't trust adobe to make a good linux-native product. |
| 23:45.56 | somiaj | espically if it is requring an outdated version of xulrunner |
| 23:45.56 | Pegasus_RPG | That's probably why they dropped support for it |
| 23:46.12 | Pegasus_RPG | this is v9.5.5 and they're currently at 12 or 13 |
| 23:46.46 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=3156. Looks like 10 or 11 has a good rating from wine. It migth be easier to deal with and give you more features |
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| 23:47.36 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: again just a suggestion. I'm unsure what would be best if you need the digitial siging features. Unsure if their outdated (unsupported) linux version would be worth trying to get to work, or running a newer version in wine would be preferable to your use case. |
| 23:47.37 | Pegasus_RPG | maybe. But it'll be slow as anything. Not just because of the wine layer, but because Adobe reader got more bloated with every version |
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| 23:48.56 | Pegasus_RPG | eh worth a try I suppose |
| 23:48.58 | Pegasus_RPG | thanks |
| 23:50.01 | matat | is it a good idea at all and or worth it to run selinux on a home computer? |
| 23:50.23 | markybob | matat, no |
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| 23:50.37 | Pegasus_RPG | if one normally calls a shell script that runs a binary file, is there any way to find out what the binary file is without manually tracing the shell scripts? |
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| 23:51.33 | ryouma | Pegasus_RPG: put the same name as the binary in your path and make it do a ps (unless it is hardcoded) |
| 23:51.56 | ryouma | Pegasus_RPG: there might also be strace ltrace tricks |
| 23:52.02 | somiaj | yea I guess you could watch what processes get run, though I'd just look at the script |
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| 23:55.54 | GrafZahl102 | Test |
| 23:56.06 | matat | we copy |
| 23:56.25 | GrafZahl102 | Can you see my messages? |
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| 23:56.46 | somiaj | GrafZahl102: yes but most will just ignore extra noise in here. |
| 23:57.09 | GrafZahl102 | Yeah, forgive me, I though my internet connection is broken |
| 23:57.15 | GrafZahl102 | Sorry, will not happen again :) |
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| 23:58.12 | wallbroken | somiaj, do you know how to rename adapters in network manager ? or also to hide them |
| 23:59.15 | somiaj | wallbroken: not really. I don't use network-manager so unsure what it allows |
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