| 00:01.06 | wallbroken | and what do you use? |
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| 00:02.13 | teraflops | wallbroken: use udev to rename ifaces |
| 00:02.34 | wallbroken | teraflops, how? |
| 00:02.59 | teraflops | wallbroken: create a udev rule |
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| 00:03.13 | wallbroken | it's too much hard |
| 00:03.25 | teraflops | wallbroken: it's well documented |
| 00:03.46 | wallbroken | and is there a way to hide the name of the adapters in network manager? |
| 00:03.51 | wallbroken | i don't need to know them |
| 00:04.11 | somiaj | teraflops: I think he has some strange issue with some weird named interfaces appearing in network-manager. |
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| 00:04.21 | wallbroken | i already know that eth0 belongs to ethernet adapter.. |
| 00:04.34 | somiaj | his physical adpaters are just eth0 and eth1 I belive. |
| 00:04.38 | somiaj | his/hers |
| 00:04.53 | wallbroken | yes |
| 00:04.58 | teraflops | wallbroken: only shown in nm? |
| 00:05.10 | teraflops | i mean the weird names |
| 00:05.16 | wallbroken | teraflops: http://www.tradetelecomunicazioni.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/danni-fulmine.jpg |
| 00:05.18 | wallbroken | ops |
| 00:05.21 | wallbroken | wrong link |
| 00:05.22 | wallbroken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/72bwol6i9luybjo/kkkk.png?dl=0 |
| 00:06.10 | somiaj | looks like one is a VPN network, but not sure about other stuff due to language. |
| 00:06.53 | wallbroken | you can see the very long adapter's name |
| 00:06.57 | wallbroken | i'd like to hide it |
| 00:07.03 | teraflops | wallbroken: the name is eth1 |
| 00:07.06 | teraflops | heh |
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| 00:07.25 | wallbroken | "Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller.... |
| 00:07.26 | teraflops | so you want to get rid of the _description_? |
| 00:07.26 | somiaj | eth1 is the interface, the rest is the physical chipset. Unsure if networkmanager can be configured to not show that or not. |
| 00:07.29 | teraflops | no wallbroken |
| 00:07.35 | teraflops | the name is eth1 |
| 00:07.56 | somiaj | but sounds like teraflops knows network-manager better than I do (since I have never used it). (: |
| 00:08.14 | wallbroken | ok, so i need to hide the description; as you can see, the window becomes very space consuming |
| 00:08.24 | teraflops | wallbroken: well no idea about that, I misundertood the question |
| 00:08.42 | wallbroken | somiaj, and what do you use? |
| 00:08.55 | teraflops | somiaj: i do use NM but not that applet, I use nmtui |
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| 00:09.50 | teraflops | wallbroken: so it's al about the description makes the applet so large, right? |
| 00:09.58 | wallbroken | teraflops, yes |
| 00:10.05 | wallbroken | but there are also some other problems |
| 00:10.13 | teraflops | wallbroken: yes, looks annoyying |
| 00:10.20 | wallbroken | for example at this time "eth0" hasn't been showing |
| 00:10.28 | wallbroken | but it's up |
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| 00:10.59 | teraflops | wallbroken: that applet is from NM or from xfce? |
| 00:11.22 | teraflops | sorry my ignorance but i do not use that things |
| 00:11.30 | wallbroken | nm-applet |
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| 00:12.42 | somiaj | wallbroken: I use the ifupdown scripts and the interfaces file. |
| 00:12.57 | somiaj | wallbroken: and wpa_supplicant in roam mode for my wifi card. |
| 00:13.07 | wallbroken | somiaj, i'm trying to figure out what "ifupdown" does |
| 00:13.21 | wallbroken | not very clear |
| 00:13.24 | somiaj | wallbroken: they are scripts that parse info in the /etc/network/interfaces file to bring up and down the interface |
| 00:13.46 | somiaj | wallbroken: that is it, they are scripts that use info in the interfaces file. Really if you are going to use network-manager you don't need to use ifupdown |
| 00:14.13 | somiaj | wallbroken: this is just the core debian method to configure the network interfaces. Nice thing about network interfaces is there are multiple tools to use. Use the tool you like the best. |
| 00:14.43 | wallbroken | network manager uses ifupdown as a plugin |
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| 00:15.00 | wallbroken | that script edits interfaces file to edit config? |
| 00:15.25 | somiaj | wallbroken: this is only if you choose to mix using nm and the interfaces file. As I told you it is best to not do this. |
| 00:15.40 | somiaj | wallbroken: so this is just a compadability plugin. Don't worry about it. |
| 00:15.55 | somiaj | i.e. it is best to pick one method to manage your interfaces and use that one method |
| 00:16.05 | wallbroken | can you show me an example ho how ifupdown can be used? |
| 00:17.10 | somiaj | wallbroken: do you not want to use network-manager and some gui app to manage your network? |
| 00:17.48 | wallbroken | this is what nm-applet does, but why are you asking to me this? |
| 00:18.23 | somiaj | wallbroken: Because ifupdown scripts are just an alternative way to manage your network. If you want to use network-manager use it. |
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| 00:20.16 | wallbroken | now i need to know an example of using ifupdown |
| 00:20.52 | wallbroken | for example if i want to load eth1, how could I do it with ifupdown? |
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| 00:21.18 | teraflops | wallbroken: if you want to qget reid of the ugly applet just do it, but you can still make use of NM |
| 00:21.30 | teraflops | wallbroken: use nmtui |
| 00:21.38 | teraflops | get* |
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| 00:22.34 | wallbroken | now i just want to know what ifupdown does |
| 00:22.55 | matat | what does it do |
| 00:22.57 | somiaj | wallbroken: you put info about eth0 into /etc/network/intefaces. |
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| 00:23.11 | somiaj | wallbroken: 'ifup eth0' will use that info to bring up the interface. 'ifdown eth0' will bring down that interface |
| 00:23.45 | somiaj | wallbroken: they are scripts. All they do is parse the interfaces file and use it to run core commands (like ip, route, dhclient, etc) to bring up the interface. This is just an automation of using the core debian tools to bring up/down the interface. |
| 00:23.47 | {xmb} | how can i make -dkms packages work with experimental 4.3 kernel it wants 4.2 |
| 00:24.09 | somiaj | wallbroken: there is nothign special about them. This is just the core debian method to manage interfaces. But debian supports lots of methods. Pick one, stick with it (don't mix) is the best way to not get confused. |
| 00:24.24 | somiaj | {xmb}: they work with any kernel you have the linux-headers installed for |
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| 00:24.30 | teraflops | wallbroken: hey ifup does what it says also ifdown does what it says |
| 00:24.31 | somiaj | {xmb}: did you install the linux-headers for your 4.3 kernel? |
| 00:24.38 | wallbroken | and it's different than doing "ifconfig interface up" ? |
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| 00:24.55 | {xmb} | .. apt wants to install 4.2 where 4.3 is already |
| 00:25.04 | {xmb} | headers kbuild |
| 00:25.18 | somiaj | wallbroken: it is way different. First off ifup and ifdown don't use ifconfig any more they use ip |
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| 00:25.38 | somiaj | wallbroken: and yes it is different. 'ifconfig eth0 up' doesn't assign the interface an ip address, it doesn't run dhclient if you want to use dhcp |
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| 00:25.39 | teraflops | wallbroken: ifconfig is deprecated so just use it if you are impelled to do so |
| 00:25.47 | somiaj | wallbroken: ifup does a bunch of things. |
| 00:25.54 | teraflops | wallbroken: iproute2 exists :P |
| 00:26.07 | somiaj | {xmb}: sounds like you need a -t experimental in your install line because that is pinned low so packages won't be installed from experimental by default. |
| 00:26.21 | {xmb} | i so havent tried as i dont want older 4.2, but hey maybe it compiles for current 4.3 |
| 00:26.26 | wallbroken | to me it could be good that nm-applet uses ifupdown |
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| 00:26.37 | somiaj | {xmb}: ahh maybe I'm missunderstanding you. |
| 00:26.42 | {xmb} | i have apt wrappers they all have -t experimental |
| 00:27.04 | somiaj | wallbroken: no you are fixated on this plugin that you should not be used. You should just remove any info from /etc/network/interfaces about your cards and use network-manager |
| 00:27.13 | wallbroken | i just want something that shows to me which interface is connected and a gui to start/stop them |
| 00:27.22 | somiaj | {xmb}: that would make it hard to get the package from sid installed if that is what you want. |
| 00:27.35 | somiaj | wallbroken: then use network-manager |
| 00:27.35 | ekaj | Why would debian computers come default with a program called "ownership" which retrieves info specific to Compaq computers? |
| 00:27.36 | oo_miguel | I just noticed some horrible errors in dmeseg. starting at line 841: http://paste.debian.net/335446/ Also my jabber server just went down, thats why I checked. It says: Bad rss-counter and reported segfaults in ssl-params and beam.smp. What might have caused this? |
| 00:28.03 | teraflops | wallbroken: if youre interested on those scripts do some trivial research as what package they belong, reading the related man pages, etc |
| 00:29.11 | {xmb} | it generally installs from newest to oldest, but with experimental it broke a few packages, like 'old' perl no only new and like the dkms that are dpkg/status dependency set to 4.2 |
| 00:29.42 | somiaj | ekaj: it is part of demidecode, which reads various info on the actual cpu inside the computer. Seems this is just one part that prints the Compaq tag if you wanted to retrive it |
| 00:29.49 | somiaj | ekaj: see the demidecode source/package for more info. |
| 00:30.26 | somiaj | {xmb}: hmm, not sure what is best, but wrappers that make experimentail default when installing sounds very dangerous and I would advise not using them (even on sid) |
| 00:30.46 | somiaj | ekaj: arg, dmidecode |
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| 00:36.36 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 00:39.20 | bytemonkey | hey all, having an issue starting gui on Debian 8, VM image. system hangs unless booting into tty0 shell and starting manually. any idea where to start troubleshooting ? |
| 00:39.43 | marioxcc | I want to buy a computer so that it will work without problems with Debian *without* proprietary drivers or firmware. With this in mind, what considerations should I take when evaluating a computer before purchasing?. Note that running Debian to see if it works is not an option, as I will have no access before purchasing, so I can only make use of the information available in Internet: Suppose I have a computer model, how should I proceed with eva |
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| 00:40.53 | somiaj | marioxcc: you will have to check all the hardware and avoiding non-free firmware can be difficult. |
| 00:40.55 | sotiri | marioxcc: laptop or desktop? |
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| 00:41.24 | somiaj | marioxcc: (note you can't really avoid non-free firmware, just some hardware still flashes the firmware to the chip and other provide it as a file) |
| 00:41.45 | marioxcc | sotiri: Laptop. |
| 00:41.45 | somiaj | bytemonkey: do you use gnome3? |
| 00:42.45 | somiaj | marioxcc: my intel based laptop works well with debian. I do have to use the firmware-iwlwifi package, but beyond that I don't need any non-free firmware. |
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| 00:42.58 | sotiri | marioxcc: look for Intel graphics card, |
| 00:43.12 | somiaj | marioxcc: if you really want to completely avoid non-free firmware you'll probably want an intel graphics card (even the free radeon driver uses non-free firmware). And then atheos for the wifi. |
| 00:43.32 | sotiri | marioxcc: and you can change the wireless card with somethink like atheros |
| 00:43.37 | teraflops | marioxcc: intel is ok, also it supports wayland |
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| 00:43.59 | somiaj | marioxcc: I personally think it is a fine line between the firwmare being on the chip on the hardware or a seperate file, but atheos is the one wifi know that seems to still do this over giving a firmware file |
| 00:44.18 | Pegasus_RPG | is there a mono package for wine like there is libwine-gecko? I can't find a libwine-mono |
| 00:44.23 | somiaj | marioxcc: And then make sure you don't have the realtex wired card that uses firmware (Basically get a list of the hardware and go down the list check it off one by one) |
| 00:44.54 | marioxcc | somiaj: I want to avoid user-loaded firmware; I understand that it may be the same freedom wise, but OS-loaded firmware is a security risk. Please be more specific. |
| 00:44.54 | marioxcc | somiaj: Suppose I have a candidate model. I go to the manufacturer's web site to try find a listing of the component names (chipset), then I search the computer and components in h-node to see if there are existing evaluations. What else?. |
| 00:44.55 | bazhang | try asking in #winehq Pegasus_RPG |
| 00:45.04 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: This is one thing I think needs improved in debian. My suggestion is to manually download the libwine-mono .msi file from winehq and install it in your WINEPREFIX |
| 00:45.44 | marioxcc | sotiri, teraflops: I have heard that new Intel CPUs with integrated graphics controller require proprietary firmware to work. |
| 00:46.10 | somiaj | marioxcc: then I would look up the actual model of the laptop and see if there are sucess stories with it. |
| 00:46.46 | marioxcc | somiaj: But is there something more specific that I should look for the laptop to have or not to have?. Example: Avoid X brand wireless controllers, or X family CPUs. |
| 00:46.49 | teraflops | marioxcc: no idea, I just have an intel HD and I love it |
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| 00:47.02 | marioxcc | teraflops: But does it require proprietary firmware?. |
| 00:47.04 | somiaj | marioxcc: but as far as I know intel graphics (even integrated intelgraphics which is what I have, haswall here) dosen't use non-free firmware. wifi is the next major culprit, atheos is the only option I know of. Last seems some laptops with atehos for wifi have the realtek wired interface which requires firmware. so avoid that. |
| 00:47.09 | bytemonkey | somiaj: yes |
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| 00:47.27 | bytemonkey | sorry...was troubleshooting while waiting. |
| 00:47.33 | sotiri | marioxcc: no firmware for intel HD |
| 00:47.35 | somiaj | bytemonkey: what graphics card/drivers. gnome3 requires certain opengl componenets to run. |
| 00:47.50 | cra1g321 | i think its atheros not atheos |
| 00:48.02 | marioxcc | sotiri: Ok, do you refer to the graphics controller integrated in the CPU (sometimes called "graphics card", but clearly it is not a card)?. |
| 00:48.27 | teraflops | marioxcc: nope I use the open source drivers |
| 00:48.27 | somiaj | marioxcc: and last go to some librelinux or gnu free hardware list, they have them and I think list laptops that are totally 'free' |
| 00:48.33 | somiaj | marioxcc: or maybe first. |
| 00:48.53 | marioxcc | teraflops: Ok. |
| 00:48.54 | sotiri | marioxcc: realtek wired card ask me for firmware but it works fine without |
| 00:49.12 | marioxcc | somiaj: By "GNU free hardware list", do you mean H-node?. |
| 00:49.39 | marioxcc | sotiri: Ok, thanks. What about wireless cards (what brands to use/avoid)?. |
| 00:50.17 | marioxcc | Should I expect problems with hard disk controller, sound controller, USB controller or something similar?. |
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| 00:51.03 | somiaj | marioxcc: I'm unsure, tyring to find a good one. I've seen them before. |
| 00:51.21 | somiaj | marioxcc: I wouldn't expcet problems there (unless you have bleeding edge hardware) |
| 00:51.54 | sotiri | marioxcc: i don't think that you can seperate intel HD and the proccesor, i use atheros wifi cards, but you won't find them in many laptos by default |
| 00:52.14 | teraflops | sotiri: right |
| 00:52.33 | teraflops | sotiri: ath9k is good shit btw |
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| 00:52.40 | Pegasus_RPG | somiaj: well, Adobe Reader X is not installing in Wine and of course isn't telling me why it isn't completing. |
| 00:53.00 | teraflops | marioxcc: avoid bcm wireless chipsets |
| 00:53.03 | bytemonkey | somiaj: how do I check? |
| 00:53.07 | marioxcc | teraflops: Ok. |
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| 00:53.15 | teraflops | broadcom |
| 00:53.34 | marioxcc | somiaj: It's not going to be bleeding edge at all (unless accidentally), as I do not want an high end laptop nor that supports the latest market trends (PCIe version 80000, SATA 750, etcetera). |
| 00:53.50 | marioxcc | teraflops: What about broadcom, should I avoid it too?. |
| 00:54.02 | teraflops | marioxcc: bcm=broadcom |
| 00:54.09 | marioxcc | teraflops: Ah, ok. |
| 00:55.17 | marioxcc | Please let me know whether I'm missing something: (1) get a candidate laptop model (2) look up a list of chip models or component models (3) for each component name, do a web search for it plus "linux"/"driver"/"firmware" and search it on H-noe |
| 00:55.20 | marioxcc | *H-node |
| 00:55.28 | teclo- | hello where is mencoder in Debian 8.2 ? |
| 00:55.39 | somiaj | marioxcc: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw |
| 00:55.53 | sotiri | marioxcc: also try to avoid hardware that was released after the debian stable was released |
| 00:55.53 | somiaj | bytemonkey: lspci should show your hardware, dmesg should list messages about your hardware. |
| 00:56.04 | somiaj | bytemonkey: first lets look at lspic and figure out what graphics card you actually have. |
| 00:56.06 | bytemonkey | I though so. |
| 00:56.11 | marioxcc | sotiri: Good idea. |
| 00:56.32 | bazhang | lspci |
| 00:56.51 | somiaj | teclo-: mplayer/mencoder has been out of debian for a while. There are two options. one is mplayer2 (but this removes a lot of stuff including mencoder). But look at mpv, it has an encoder similar to mencoder. |
| 00:56.53 | bytemonkey | VGA |
| 00:57.04 | bazhang | ,v sl |
| 00:57.05 | judd | Package: sl on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.03-16; sid: 3.03-17; wheezy: 3.03-17; stretch: 3.03-17; jessie: 3.03-17 |
| 00:57.26 | teraflops | marioxcc: anyway it's not 1992 anymore, I mean it's hard to find a latop that cannot runs linux |
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| 00:57.38 | teclo- | somiaj: thank you |
| 00:57.43 | somiaj | bytemonkey: VGA is not a graphics card. I need the actual chipset. intel, radeon, nvidia, etc. |
| 00:57.50 | bazhang | somiaj, what about smplayer with m4v as the backend; that works very well here |
| 00:57.50 | bytemonkey | Intel |
| 00:57.59 | bazhang | ,v smplayer |
| 00:58.00 | judd | Package: smplayer on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.9-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u1; sid: 14.9.0~ds0-1; jessie: 14.9.0~ds0-1; stretch: 14.9.0~ds0-1 |
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| 00:58.11 | somiaj | bazhang: I'm unsure, I haven't cared since I last used mencoder 10 years ago. |
| 00:58.15 | marioxcc | somiaj: Sure. I almost forgot that page. I have looked into it some time ago (I'm checking it again). Does my checklist looks right to you? -> (1) get a candidate laptop model (2) look up a list of chip models or component models (3) for each component name, do a web search for it plus "linux"/"driver"/"firmware" and search it on H-node too. |
| 00:58.19 | sdfasdf | . |
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| 00:58.25 | bytemonkey | Intel 4 Series |
| 00:58.28 | bazhang | oookay |
| 00:58.48 | somiaj | marioxcc: basically look for intel graphics (the integrated sandy bridge/haswell is okay provided it isn't newer than debian stable will support with the 3.16 kerel) |
| 00:58.59 | somiaj | marioxcc: look for atheros wifi (this will be the hard part) |
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| 00:59.12 | marioxcc | somiaj: Thanks. |
| 00:59.22 | marioxcc | teraflops: Sure, but I have seen many complaints in free software forums from people whose hardware doesn't work with free software. Maybe I'm being paranoid. |
| 00:59.28 | somiaj | marioxcc: make sure the wired card isn't one that requires non-free firmware (the only one I can think of is a realtek wired card, but any intel wired should be just fine) |
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| 00:59.41 | marioxcc | somiaj: Ok. |
| 00:59.43 | teraflops | marioxcc: that's true |
| 00:59.50 | sotiri | marioxcc, somiaj: you can change the wireless card |
| 01:00.07 | somiaj | marioxcc: and note sometimes people go a step above what you are doing. Some require a 'free' bios on their laptop. |
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| 01:00.20 | marioxcc | sotiri: I can't. I have a personal limitation that prevents me from doing that (it's not a physical handicap). |
| 01:00.26 | somiaj | marioxcc: if you want to go that far, you may have to go speciality laptop. They are out there, just harder to get. |
| 01:01.08 | somiaj | bytemonkey: can you paste the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net? |
| 01:01.16 | bytemonkey | sure |
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| 01:02.43 | marioxcc | somiaj: Unfortunately, there is a somewhat small set of computers that I can buy (what local stores have or what local computer companies ship by Internet order). I would really like to buy a computer with a free BIOS, but I would have to make an international shipping, and that is not possible for me. |
| 01:02.51 | teraflops | marioxcc: it's hard to find a free hw latop this days unless you go for the fsf-certified ones |
| 01:03.03 | marioxcc | So I have abandoned the idea of having a free BIOS (only by chance). |
| 01:03.20 | marioxcc | It is not feasible due to my constraints. |
| 01:03.29 | teraflops | I wish I could use coreboot here |
| 01:03.53 | marioxcc | teraflops: What do you mean by "free hw"? Free hardware computers do not exist (with a design that meets the free software definition). |
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| 01:04.21 | somiaj | marioxcc: If it wasn't for laws on wifi, but anyways. Finding a laptop that runs using only debian main isn't to hard (minus the wifi). Most intel based laptops will do this (intel graphics, processor, sound, wifi, wired, etc). And intel supports free software fairly well up to the wifi cards 9 |
| 01:04.21 | marioxcc | There are computers compatible with free software. That's what the FSF-approved computers are (including free BIOS). |
| 01:04.25 | bytemonkey | somiaj: should I grep it? |
| 01:04.40 | ryouma | there is a coreboot channel btw |
| 01:04.51 | teraflops | marioxcc: e.g gluglug |
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| 01:05.05 | somiaj | marioxcc: they have leagal restrictions. sotiri suggestion of just replacing the wifi card to a free one may be the easiest to get what you want. Some companies allow you to do this before you order the machine. |
| 01:05.16 | somiaj | bytemonkey: the whole thing would be preferable, just to make sure I get all the info. |
| 01:05.23 | bytemonkey | mk |
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| 01:05.49 | marioxcc | teraflops: Yes, I am quite familiar with them. I would purchase one, but I can't, so it's not an option. |
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| 01:05.57 | somiaj | marioxcc: for example I have just a run of the mill dell, and besides for the bios and wifi, the rest runs on free software. |
| 01:05.59 | teraflops | marioxcc: yeah |
| 01:06.44 | krasimir | I have just switched to debian and kde. looking for a terminal to fit the bill ! terminator has all I need except bookmarks. Is there an addon do you know ? |
| 01:06.47 | markybob | i have a dell inspiron running on all free software |
| 01:07.17 | marioxcc | somiaj: Ok. So if I were to purchase an Intel based laptop with built-in graphics made no later than 2014, is it reasonable to expect that it would work with Debian without need for proprietary software (other than BIOS and flash-loaded firmware)?. |
| 01:07.32 | krasimir | I connect to many different ssh sessions and need a way ti have these saved |
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| 01:08.04 | markybob | marioxcc, probably |
| 01:08.22 | somiaj | marioxcc: yea if it is full intel, it will work and you will just need the firmware-iwlwifi for the wifi. It might be easier to buy a laptop like that, then just order a replacement wifi card, and manaully change the wifi card than to find one that fits your needs and limiations you have. |
| 01:08.54 | krasimir | the saved commands addon might do it , but doesn't have folders so it will be a one very long list |
| 01:09.28 | krasimir | what do you guys use as your main terminal in linux ? |
| 01:09.48 | marioxcc | markybob, somiaj: Ok. Still, I am going to do my best to try that it works well without need to replace hardware, as I could only add external peripherals (I could add a USB wireless card sold locally, but I couldn't open the computer to change the integrated card). |
| 01:10.12 | marioxcc | Thanks you all for the answers. |
| 01:10.27 | markybob | marioxcc, it'd buy a lenovo intel something |
| 01:10.49 | teraflops | yeah lenovo is fine |
| 01:10.50 | marioxcc | markybob: Why Lenovo?. |
| 01:11.08 | markybob | marioxcc, because they like open source |
| 01:11.10 | marioxcc | I will try, but remember I am quite constrained in what I can buy (local stores or local shipping). |
| 01:11.11 | teraflops | well thinkpads |
| 01:11.16 | bytemonkey | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/335454/ |
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| 01:11.36 | krasimir | from my experience lenovo's support in uk is very bad |
| 01:11.48 | somiaj | marioxcc: I'm unsure what usb wifi cards wouldn't need firmware. But an intel based system (all parts, audio, graphics, internet, wifi, etc) except for the wifi you shouldn't need any non-free software that I know of. |
| 01:11.57 | krasimir | they will only support you if your laptop is with the original OS it was shipped with |
| 01:12.11 | markybob | no |
| 01:12.13 | somiaj | marioxcc: maybe if you are ordering it online you can find an intel based system and call up the manifucature and ask them to change the built in wifi for you. |
| 01:12.18 | teraflops | krasimir: not only lenovo do that |
| 01:12.30 | krasimir | dell are more relaxed |
| 01:12.47 | krasimir | I use to run a pc shop so I had to deal with all companies |
| 01:12.53 | teraflops | dell ships some models with linux |
| 01:13.10 | teraflops | well .. with ubuntu |
| 01:13.14 | marioxcc | krasimir: I have tried to use vendor's support in the past. It is worthless, so it does not makes a real difference. |
| 01:13.27 | krasimir | Dell support lines is answered by trained monkeys :) but at least they will ship you any spare part you want |
| 01:13.37 | somiaj | depends on what you want, most companies will support their hardware via their RMA service even if you don't run the installed sofware on it. i.e. they will honor warnenties for hardware, but they won't help with techs upport. |
| 01:13.44 | marioxcc | teraflops: Right. The current laptop I purchased came with Ubuntu preinstalled. I changed it to Debian. |
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| 01:14.02 | marioxcc | krasimir: RFOL. |
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| 01:15.40 | somiaj | bytemonkey: is this an install inside a vm? |
| 01:15.47 | somiaj | bytemonkey: I see you are using the vmware graphics. |
| 01:15.52 | bytemonkey | yeah |
| 01:15.56 | marioxcc | somiaj: I see, but why did you exclude an Intel wireless NIC in your example Intel-based system?. Isn't there such as thing?. |
| 01:16.12 | marioxcc | (Maybe Intel doesn't make wireless cards massively) |
| 01:16.13 | bytemonkey | Is that the problem? |
| 01:16.33 | teraflops | marioxcc: because the fw |
| 01:16.38 | krasimir | back to my topic , can you share your favourite terminal ? tried konsole no usable split windows option and terminator doesn't seem to support bookmarks |
| 01:16.41 | somiaj | marioxcc: due to the laws about regularting wifi cards, intel chooses to close source the firmware for its wifi cards (it supplies a free driver, but non-free firmware) |
| 01:16.54 | somiaj | marioxcc: you said you wanted to avoid the non-free firmware, and intel wifi cards use it. |
| 01:17.07 | marioxcc | somiaj: Ok. I get it. |
| 01:17.13 | somiaj | krasimir: xterm, and old goody. |
| 01:17.16 | marioxcc | teraflops: Right. |
| 01:17.21 | somiaj | marioxcc: if it wasn't for that, intell would be find all the way. (: |
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| 01:17.56 | marioxcc | somiaj: So what wireless card brands are good and bad. So far: Good: Atheros. Bad: Intel, Broadcom. |
| 01:18.00 | somiaj | there is one generation of intel graphics you want to avoid, I forget what that is, but I don't htink that will be an issue. |
| 01:18.10 | marioxcc | (I meant to put a question mark) |
| 01:18.36 | somiaj | marioxcc: I woudl say which ship the firwmare on the chip vs the file (laws require all wifi cards have some non-free firmware component). atheros is the only one I know that still flashes the chips over shiping a file. |
| 01:19.02 | marioxcc | somiaj: So is Atheros bad? I thought it was good. |
| 01:19.08 | somiaj | marioxcc: well at least laws here in the US, I shouldn't assume you have the same FCC restrictions. |
| 01:19.23 | teraflops | krasimir: I think what you need is not related to the terminal emulator itself |
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| 01:19.34 | markybob | because there is no FCC elsewhere |
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| 01:19.42 | somiaj | marioxcc: depends on what you call good/bad. Atheros won't require additional non-free firmware (but I belive the firmware on the actual chip is not 'free') |
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| 01:19.55 | marioxcc | somiaj: I'm in Mexico. I do not really know. There is very little information in Internet regarding our regulations. The only consistent source are the laws themselves, and they are unintelligible. |
| 01:20.20 | somiaj | marioxcc: just kinda like the bios issue, it takes extra work to ensure the bios flashed on the hardware is free (this is different than a driver requring additional nonfree firmware) |
| 01:20.30 | krasimir | teraflops: and how do you manage the many ssh destinations you connect daily ? |
| 01:20.33 | somiaj | marioxcc: and I could be mistaken about this, so don't take it as truth. |
| 01:21.13 | teraflops | my major concern is about the bios/efi fw |
| 01:21.14 | somiaj | bytemonkey: I don't think you have the 3d support you will need using vmware. You may have to use a different desktop than gnome3. I'm unsure here, I just know gnome3 in jessie has no fallback mode and if you don't support certain gl aspects in your video driver it won't run well. |
| 01:21.34 | marioxcc | somiaj: Ok. For me, good is that the firmware is free (you are telling me that there isn't such a thing, if I understand correctly), acceptable is that the firmware is flash-loaded. Bad is that the firmware is OS-loaded. |
| 01:21.38 | bytemonkey | ok |
| 01:22.24 | somiaj | marioxcc: than as far as I know, for wifi Atheros is the only card that dosen't require additional non-free firmware (I am unsure if the firmware flashed on the chip is free or not, but I think it is non-free) |
| 01:22.51 | markybob | it is non-free |
| 01:22.52 | teraflops | krasimir: puppet or something like that |
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| 01:23.20 | marioxcc | somiaj: Ok, thanks. |
| 01:23.31 | teraflops | krasimir: if puppet is overkill I think there are script helpers for managinf ssh keys etc |
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| 01:23.41 | teraflops | managing* |
| 01:23.54 | ekaj | somiaj: thanks for the answer |
| 01:24.11 | marioxcc | teraflops, markybob: Could you comment on what wireless card models are good and bad (good: has free firmware, acceptable: firmware is loaded by flash memory, bad: firmware is loaded by OS)? |
| 01:24.27 | krasimir | teraflops: no not keys I just want to save session links like : server a : ssh 10.0.0.0 -u root etc.... |
| 01:24.45 | krasimir | just like a shortcut to all the ssh servers |
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| 01:24.52 | teraflops | marioxcc: to be fair I do not care much about that, I have an ath9k here |
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| 01:25.00 | krasimir | organized in folders |
| 01:25.19 | marioxcc | teraflops: Ok. |
| 01:25.22 | teraflops | krasimir: like secure crt? |
| 01:25.29 | markybob | marioxcc, your best bet is intel |
| 01:25.51 | teraflops | krasimir: may be pac manager? |
| 01:26.39 | teraflops | marioxcc: as I said my concern is about the efi/bios fw |
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| 01:27.36 | marioxcc | markybob: Don't Intel wireless cards require proprietary firwmare?. If I understood correctly, that is what somiaj said. |
| 01:27.37 | krasimir | teraflops: i was hoping that the bookmarks will be part of the terminal for quick access |
| 01:28.11 | markybob | marioxcc, non-free != proprietary |
| 01:28.16 | marioxcc | teraflops: So do you care about your initialization software being free but not the wireless card firmware being free?. That sounds strange. |
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| 01:29.20 | marioxcc | markybob: I thought they are exactly the same as used by the free software movement. What is the difference?. |
| 01:30.08 | markybob | marioxcc, by the fsf, sure, and debian. you really need to understand the law, though. |
| 01:30.44 | marioxcc | markybob: But in the meaning you are using, how are they different?. |
| 01:31.48 | markybob | marioxcc, speech. beer. just friends messing around. i'm introducing you to a girl. have fun. really those are the differences |
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| 01:33.07 | marioxcc | markybob: Well, I thought that I was clear that I meant non-free as in speech, not as in beer. :) |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | marioxcc: there are things in non-free that are OSS, but the license conflicts with DFSG |
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| 01:33.59 | marioxcc | abrotman: Indeed, but I wasn't talking about Open Source at all. |
| 01:34.00 | teraflops | marioxcc: yes |
| 01:34.24 | marioxcc | teraflops: Sorry, "yes" to what? |
| 01:35.02 | markybob | marioxcc, that doesn't help. bsd license isn't DFSG, for example |
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| 01:36.24 | somiaj | marioxcc: at some level it is a matter of trust. I personally don't see a difference in trust between the firmware being on the chip or an aditional file (I actually prefer the additional file because I don't like flashing chips for bugs fixes/upgrades). teraflops seems to think the level of trust is the bios/efi fw, since if that is compermised, your wifi doens't matter one bit. |
| 01:36.33 | teraflops | markybob: I care about the efi/bios fw |
| 01:37.04 | markybob | great |
| 01:37.58 | teraflops | somiaj: ive read some weird things about what intel runs there |
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| 01:38.39 | markybob | you can make a claim about that when it comes to them running a ton of bios'..but now wify |
| 01:38.40 | abrotman | "there" ? |
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| 01:38.57 | markybob | wifi* |
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| 01:40.13 | marioxcc | The last thing I saw was: |
| 01:40.13 | marioxcc | (19:34:00) teraflops: marioxcc: yes |
| 01:40.13 | marioxcc | (19:34:24) marioxcc: teraflops: Sorry, "yes" to what? |
| 01:40.13 | marioxcc | (19:35:02) markybob: marioxcc, that doesn't help. bsd license isn't DFSG, for example |
| 01:40.13 | marioxcc | Did I miss something?. |
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| 01:40.47 | markybob | yes. |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | marioxcc: oh, yeah, we decided all things are free .. missed a bit there |
| 01:42.17 | marioxcc | abrotman: I do not understand. |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | it was sarcasm |
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| 01:42.37 | abrotman | like five times today .. SDNWOTN |
| 01:43.00 | marioxcc | abrotman: I see. |
| 01:43.31 | markybob | i'll give you my mother's number if you want a really fun conversation |
| 01:43.54 | abrotman | ahem .. |
| 01:44.15 | teraflops | abrotman: I was talking about intel ME |
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| 01:46.28 | B4sh | anyone know why i can't install zip archive on my LEMP stack? |
| 01:46.32 | B4sh | i get this error |
| 01:46.53 | B4sh | apt-get install ziparchive |
| 01:46.54 | B4sh | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:46.54 | B4sh | Building dependency tree |
| 01:46.54 | B4sh | Reading state information... Done |
| 01:46.54 | B4sh | E: Unable to locate package ziparchive |
| 01:46.54 | B4sh | root@capturethenow:/etc/php5/fpm# |
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| 01:46.56 | markybob | B4sh, LAMP? |
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| 01:47.17 | B4sh | :< |
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| 01:47.19 | teraflops | nginx markybob |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | B4sh: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 01:48.20 | teraflops | wtf is ziparchive? |
| 01:48.32 | teraflops | ,v ziparchive |
| 01:48.33 | judd | No package named 'ziparchive' was found in amd64. |
| 01:49.15 | B4sh | apparently its some sort of zip function |
| 01:49.25 | B4sh | I'm trying to upload a revolutionary slider to my wp site |
| 01:49.55 | B4sh | and i get this error could not be executed because zip archive extension is not enabled |
| 01:50.06 | teraflops | B4sh: wait |
| 01:50.22 | teraflops | B4sh: are you running debian? |
| 01:50.52 | abrotman | I did ask for the sources.list |
| 01:51.48 | hubert_ | anybody remember offhand how to prevent closing the laptop lid from doing anything |
| 01:51.52 | teraflops | B4sh: do you know you cannot install a package that is not in the repos? did you bothered issuing apt-cache search ziparchive? |
| 01:52.18 | hubert_ | is that an acpid config issue possibly |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | hubert_: generally, /etc/acpi/ |
| 01:52.34 | markybob | teraflops, of course you can |
| 01:52.47 | hubert_ | abrotman: yeah i didnt see anything obvious in there in terms of config files |
| 01:52.56 | B4sh | teraflops, no |
| 01:52.59 | teraflops | markybob: ^ |
| 01:52.59 | hubert_ | i'm thinking of just shutting acpid off entirely |
| 01:53.11 | teraflops | B4sh: no what? |
| 01:53.12 | teraflops | heh |
| 01:53.31 | B4sh | no i haven't executed that common |
| 01:53.34 | B4sh | command |
| 01:53.34 | teraflops | ah |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | or wait for the sources.list |
| 01:53.53 | B4sh | I'm super fresh at this stuff |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | no need to msg me |
| 01:55.39 | B4sh | alright my bad |
| 01:56.25 | B4sh | where can i find that source.list |
| 01:57.05 | teraflops | B4sh: so you managed to install lemp thingy with a wp with super cow powers but superfresh at just installing packages? |
| 01:57.35 | B4sh | pretty much tiptoed in my jordans all the way through |
| 01:57.43 | teraflops | ^ |
| 01:57.49 | B4sh | lol |
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| 01:58.50 | teraflops | B4sh: not that I care I mean good for you, youre a lucky man that thing didnt explode |
| 01:59.08 | B4sh | I know, i mean I'm trying my best |
| 01:59.16 | teraflops | ;) |
| 01:59.20 | B4sh | so you think i should run that command? |
| 01:59.40 | teraflops | B4sh: at this point I do not know what to tell you |
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| 02:00.38 | B4sh | teraflops, yeah you do. your just over helping me |
| 02:00.48 | teraflops | B4sh: not at all |
| 02:00.59 | teraflops | bails on this one |
| 02:01.29 | B4sh | i get it, right on. |
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| 02:02.10 | B4sh | Thanks anyway |
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| 02:04.08 | B4sh | abrotman, i got the source.list |
| 02:04.41 | B4sh | http://pastebin.com/exVq0rUA |
| 02:05.19 | dvs | !prize teraflops |
| 02:05.19 | dpkg | gives teraflops a beer. |
| 02:05.38 | markybob | B4sh right. you're not using debian |
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| 02:06.06 | B4sh | im not? |
| 02:06.08 | markybob | !based on |
| 02:06.08 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 02:06.25 | markybob | B4sh, no |
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| 02:10.27 | B4sh | cool appreciate the help guys |
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| 02:34.50 | foul_owl | So, nm-applet won't let me enable networking. The error message I'm getting is "Already enabled" o_O |
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| 02:35.38 | dvs | foul_owl: So it's probably already configured manually in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 02:36.12 | foul_owl | The end user in this case would not know enough to do that |
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| 02:36.31 | foul_owl | And I am told wifi was working yesterday o_O |
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| 02:37.48 | mgmg | just a quick one i'm trying some distros out |
| 02:38.11 | mgmg | and have gone ubuntu to mint i'm |
| 02:38.24 | mgmg | thinking of going to debian |
| 02:38.34 | mgmg | but will it have the same support repo wise |
| 02:39.59 | somiaj | mgmg: there will be differences in the versions and software you have available. And with out knowing your use case hard to say if you will get the same out of it |
| 02:40.02 | somiaj | but there is a lot of overlap. |
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| 02:41.53 | livingroom | *SIGHHHHHHHH* |
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| 02:44.02 | livingroom | why must everything with linux be so hatefully frustrating!??!?! |
| 02:45.35 | dvs | to keep the riff-raff out? |
| 02:46.13 | gzcwnk | livingroom its a learning curve |
| 02:46.28 | livingroom | curve my ass. it's a straightedge |
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| 02:46.38 | livingroom | you either get it or you dont. and i'm squarely in the "dont" part |
| 02:46.49 | livingroom | the worst thing is, there's no support for anything. |
| 02:47.42 | livingroom | i have nobody to turn to for help. the #samba channel is empty, the samba mailing list doesnt answer, and the samba newsgroup requires an NNTP service. what's left? |
| 02:47.43 | gzcwnk | livingroom its a big OS, with many gigs of packages |
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| 02:49.34 | livingroom | linux has, what, 10 times the market share of windows? and yet any windows problem, i google it and get an instant answer. i google my linux problem now i get nothing. |
| 02:49.35 | gzcwnk | livingroom ask in samba |
| 02:49.44 | livingroom | i've been asking for hours. days even. there's nobody there |
| 02:49.47 | gzcwnk | i have joined it |
| 02:50.06 | gzcwnk | but i onlyhave 20mins |
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| 02:50.19 | gzcwnk | then i have to go |
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| 02:56.00 | somiaj | livingroom: this is not the appropriate form to compalin. Yes you may be frustrated, but you need to be paitent. And also don't judge your one issue with all of linux. Many problems have lots of places you can find solutions by searching in google. You are just in a complicated setup that not many use, and that is using samba to be an acitve directory domain controler. I don't have any more advise execpt pay attention to errors in the logs and ... |
| 02:56.06 | somiaj | ... read the documetatoin from samba. |
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| 02:59.17 | r-x-w- | Ask. |
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| 02:59.38 | grifftannen | howdy all |
| 03:00.43 | r-x-w- | Wild pack of grumpy old Debian veterans. |
| 03:00.57 | dvs | bah! |
| 03:01.41 | grifftannen | not a debian veteran personally |
| 03:01.51 | grifftannen | just made the jump from ubuntu |
| 03:01.59 | grifftannen | openmediavault was my gateway drug |
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| 03:23.44 | inthl | I am sending emails via mutt -s ..and some parameters, with an attachment, and so on. Now I'd like to send that email using SASL auth to authenticate to the mailserver. is there any way to do that with mutt? I believe there is not - or any other approach/tool perhaps |
| 03:23.46 | inthl | ? |
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| 03:48.25 | somiaj | inthl: google seems to suggest mutt supports SASL |
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| 03:49.48 | inthl | somiaj, any hints on that? I just found some stuff about gmail, but I am not addressing gmail |
| 03:50.02 | somiaj | looks like it needs to be configured in the muttrc, check the smtp_pass and other config potions |
| 03:50.07 | somiaj | http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc |
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| 03:52.05 | inthl | somiaj, that may be the cause why I did not find it, I just looked at man mutt, but my issue is anyway that I need that on commandline. I just tried mailx, that seems to do the job. thanks anyway for the efforts :> |
| 03:53.46 | somiaj | inthl: usually commands have ways to specificy a special config file or config options at the command line |
| 03:54.29 | somiaj | looks like -e is what you would want -e "set smtp_pass foo", but not positive, I don't really use mutt |
| 03:54.56 | somiaj | there is also -F to specific a special config file for just this |
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| 04:26.49 | cheako | wow, netsplit? |
| 04:27.09 | hiya | no |
| 04:27.13 | hiya | NSA |
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| 04:29.14 | mdim | hi folks |
| 04:29.24 | mdim | I have OpenJDK 8 from backports and it just crashed |
| 04:29.35 | mdim | it's OpenJDK Runtime Environment (8.0_66-b17) (build 1.8.0_66-internal-b17) |
| 04:29.44 | mdim | should I report it to Debian or upstream? |
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| 05:44.51 | e-roneous | im having a problem getting hdmi sound output with sparky linux ; i've googled it and cant find any help. can anyone try to help? |
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| 06:00.27 | dimitry7 | gusy, from this command 0528*1-6/bin/command |
| 06:00.44 | dimitry7 | it means if 28 falls on sunday, it won't be executed?? |
| 06:00.57 | dimitry7 | * guys |
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| 06:20.05 | peterrooney | dimitry7: no, cron job specifications are inclusive-or'd |
| 06:20.27 | dimitry7 | peterrooney, all right |
| 06:20.29 | dimitry7 | thank you! |
| 06:20.40 | peterrooney | dimitry7: what are you _really_ you trying to do |
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| 06:21.02 | dimitry7 | to execute a script every 28 but skip if it falls on sunday |
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| 06:21.24 | dimitry7 | i might include an if clause right |
| 06:21.26 | dimitry7 | ? |
| 06:21.28 | dimitry7 | that'd be better |
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| 06:22.29 | peterrooney | aside from that being an odd thing to do (my imagination is redlined), yeah, I'd put the date test in the script itself. |
| 06:23.32 | peterrooney | wonders what must be done every month except those months that start on Mondays |
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| 06:29.48 | ryouma | dimitry7: every time you run the script, it will be the same day of week, so just run it on a non-sunday |
| 06:30.47 | dimitry7 | ryouma, it runs everyday |
| 06:30.56 | ryouma | oh, i thought every 28d |
| 06:31.48 | dimitry7 | ryouma, oh yes sorry, only on 28 |
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| 06:32.05 | ryouma | oh 28th |
| 06:32.56 | dimitry7 | if [ `date +%d` = 28] && [`date +%u` != 7 ]; then |
| 06:33.01 | dimitry7 | that would work right? |
| 06:33.09 | dimitry7 | yes, 28th |
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| 06:58.09 | ryouma | aficionados prefer [[ and $() but who cares |
| 06:58.16 | ryouma | i do it your way :) |
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| 07:00.34 | dimitry7 | haha |
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| 07:21.17 | mms_ | I have question on hangout if it can work in standalone mode in debain. |
| 07:21.26 | mms_ | chromium is taking too much cpu |
| 07:21.39 | mms_ | please guide to right channel if needed. |
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| 07:27.35 | iliv | What does automatic mean in this /var/log/apt/history.log record: Install: linux-image-3.2.0-94-generic:amd64 (3.2.0-94.134, automatic), ? |
| 07:28.13 | iliv | this system has unattended-upgrades which does NOT install any kernel packages automatically |
| 07:28.14 | somiaj | iliv: automatic packages are packages that are pulled in automatically due to another package depending on them |
| 07:28.30 | iliv | hm |
| 07:28.51 | somiaj | iliv: it could be you have the kernel meta-package installed and that upgrading will pull in the kernel automatically |
| 07:29.20 | iliv | what meta-kernel package name looks like? |
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| 07:29.31 | somiaj | iliv: that that package there doens't look like a debian package. |
| 07:30.01 | somiaj | iliv: so I cannot guess why it was pulled in. |
| 07:30.08 | iliv | yeah.. it's ubuntu, but you know.. #debian is just so much more knowledgeable :) |
| 07:30.16 | iliv | https://dpaste.de/Mtaz/raw |
| 07:30.16 | jelly | iliv: that particular package kind of implies you're using an ubuntu derivative, not actual debian, and their metapackages differ slightly |
| 07:30.27 | iliv | this is a complete record from history.log |
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| 07:32.29 | peterrooney | iliv: what it means is you should /join #ubuntu |
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| 07:34.31 | Stummi | iliv, if you think debian guys are more knowledgable why are using ubuntu at all? |
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| 07:35.09 | iliv | Stummi, not everything is our choice ;) |
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| 08:01.26 | liujianfeng | hello, I wanna know if this dirver is packaged in our kernel 4.2: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/net/wireless/mediatek |
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| 08:04.01 | somiaj | liujianfeng: # CONFIG_WL_MEDIATEK is not set -- from my 4.2 config on sid. Unsure about the jessie-backport for sure |
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| 08:06.28 | liujianfeng | somiaj: I'm using sid, but can't find the driver |
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| 08:08.32 | somiaj | liujianfeng: that is because as I showed you the CONFIG is not set, so it was not built. You'll have to compile your own kernel now and maybe file a wishlist bug to have debian set that config on their builds. |
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| 08:09.52 | liujianfeng | somiaj: thank you very much~ |
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| 08:18.45 | rozie | hi. how does https://wiki.debian.org/Debian-HA/ClustersFromScratch correspond with no mixing stable with testing? |
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| 08:21.42 | r0xtedy | Hello |
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| 08:21.48 | r0xtedy | Iam trying to install sound card drivers |
| 08:21.57 | somiaj | rozie: the wiki can be edited by anyone. But I do agree that mixing the two is probabaly bad new, espically now with the gcc5 transition in place. |
| 08:21.59 | r0xtedy | but this is what I get after doing "make" |
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| 08:22.01 | r0xtedy | https://dpaste.de/pzeF |
| 08:22.11 | somiaj | r0xtedy: are you sure you need to compile the drivers? What sound card? |
| 08:22.43 | r0xtedy | oh, its hard to say |
| 08:22.50 | r0xtedy | I have Insporton 23inch AIO pc |
| 08:22.58 | r0xtedy | but with native drivers theres no sound |
| 08:23.20 | somiaj | r0xtedy: Have you tried the 4.2 kernel from backports. That hsould have updated sound drivers. |
| 08:23.47 | r0xtedy | how can I use that kernel? |
| 08:23.52 | somiaj | r0xtedy: I'm unsure what versoin of those alsa drivers you are tryingn to comiple and if they are put in the main line kernel. But maybe they have been put in the 4.2 kernel and you don't need to compile these. |
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| 08:23.58 | somiaj | !jessie-backports |
| 08:23.59 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 08:24.21 | somiaj | r0xtedy: add those sources to your sources.list, apt-get -t install linux-image-amd64 (assuming amd64 install) |
| 08:24.31 | somiaj | r0xtedy: arg apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
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| 08:25.48 | somiaj | r0xtedy: again I don't know alsa good enough to say if those drivers have been updated in the 4.2 kernel for your card or not. But there is a newer kernel if that will get your card working. |
| 08:26.02 | r0xtedy | okay |
| 08:26.08 | r0xtedy | but how can I install that kernel? |
| 08:26.15 | r0xtedy | ╰─$ apt-get -t install linux-image-amd64 127 ↵ |
| 08:26.19 | r0xtedy | E: Invalid operation linux-image-amd64 |
| 08:26.21 | r0xtedy | â•Â─root@dellas /home/vytis/Downloads/audio/Rt-Linux-HDaudio-5.18/alsa-driver-RTv5.18/alsa |
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| 08:27.36 | somiaj | r0xtedy: my second command, I made a typo, apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 (again you need to add the jessie-backports repo and are running the amd64 port) |
| 08:27.46 | Tarminqyay | If I'm buying any computing stuff now should I wait until Friday instead? |
| 08:27.47 | Tarminqyay | Is there a good chance it will be on sale? |
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| 08:29.10 | somiaj | Tarminqyay: This is not the place to ask, but you can of course shop around before deciding. |
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| 08:31.27 | r0xtedy | somiaj: ╰─$ apt-get -t install linux-image-amd64 100 ↵ |
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| 08:31.31 | r0xtedy | E: Invalid operation linux-image-amd64 |
| 08:31.31 | r0xtedy | thats not working |
| 08:31.50 | somiaj | r0xtedy: "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64" |
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| 08:33.14 | r0xtedy | okay, that installed something |
| 08:33.22 | r0xtedy | I have to reboot now I presume? |
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| 08:33.37 | jiggawattz | if you want to run your new kernel yeah |
| 08:34.24 | somiaj | r0xtedy: note your old kernel is still installed, so if you have any issues with the new kernel you can just boot up off the old one. |
| 08:35.03 | r0xtedy | okay |
| 08:35.09 | r0xtedy | I am now rebooted |
| 08:35.11 | r0xtedy | still no sound |
| 08:35.45 | Tarminqyay | What if I buy something now and it goes on sale for Black Friday? Will they reimburse me? |
| 08:35.52 | Tarminqyay | I'm a Debian user of 8 years. |
| 08:35.59 | jiggawattz | Tarminqyay ➤ if they are a good retailer, they will |
| 08:36.00 | somiaj | r0xtedy: have you gone though the basic checks. 'cat /proc/asound/cards' (do you see the sound card you want, is it another sound card besides 0) |
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| 08:36.05 | jiggawattz | but most retailers won't |
| 08:36.20 | Tarminqyay | You just said most retailers aren't good retailers. |
| 08:36.29 | r0xtedy | http://imgur.com/IS4crPO |
| 08:36.49 | somiaj | Tarminqyay: These really arne't debian support questions. We cannot safely answer what a paticular companies return policies will be on any sales they have. You have to ask them. |
| 08:36.56 | jiggawattz | Tarminqyay ➤ ya.... most retailers are just so-so ;) |
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| 08:37.17 | jiggawattz | somiaj is right.... this is a bit out of scope for this channel |
| 08:37.24 | jiggawattz | try #debian-offtopic |
| 08:37.35 | jiggawattz | they love to talk about anything other than systemd v. init |
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| 08:38.54 | Tarminqyay | No one is participating there |
| 08:38.57 | Tarminqyay | that channel seems useless. |
| 08:39.54 | jiggawattz | Just talk to yourself in there.... someone will respond eventually |
| 08:40.08 | jiggawattz | It's hard to appear crazy on I.R.C. |
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| 08:41.29 | somiaj | Tarminqyay: speaking offtopic here will usually result in a quiet. But this is not the place to talk about such things, and there are other social channels you may find someone intersted in answering. |
| 08:42.06 | Tarminqyay | Well it's idle in here |
| 08:42.15 | Tarminqyay | And I am a Debian user of 8 years. |
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| 08:43.57 | jiggawattz | lol |
| 08:44.03 | jiggawattz | When things get slow.... the trolls turn weird |
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| 08:50.02 | dionysus69 | what should I set for this Please specify the kernel console log level which the s2disk ? 0 to 7 |
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| 08:50.26 | rozie | somiaj: scary shit. especially that there's jessie version in this 3rd party repo... thanks, looking for other solution |
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| 08:50.47 | dionysus69 | also I have 8 gb of ram and I set swap to 12, I am planning to use hibernation with running windows 10 maybe so thats why I set swap to 12 gb, any corrections/hints appreciated |
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| 08:53.56 | somiaj | r0xtedy: I only see two sound cards there, are either of those the one you are trying to use? (those seem like the standard onboard sound cards) |
| 08:54.02 | at0m | dionysus69: personally, i found hibernation sweet when i had 256MB RAM and slow cold boots. nowadays, this pc boots in 23s, probably more efficient that reading 16GB from disk. |
| 08:54.16 | at0m | *than reading |
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| 08:55.39 | dionysus69 | at0m: the reason I want to do is for saving the environment reason and not because its faster or something but I agree its much faster to turn it on without hibernation |
| 08:56.05 | dionysus69 | at0m: any suggestions on what log level I should set? |
| 08:56.16 | dionysus69 | It would be nice if theres an indicator on loading process |
| 08:56.47 | at0m | i have no idea about log level. don't have boot splash either. |
| 08:57.48 | dionysus69 | what do you mean you dont have boot splash? |
| 08:58.11 | dionysus69 | blank screen ? or just text? |
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| 08:58.34 | at0m | just boot text, like dmesg |
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| 08:59.29 | dionysus69 | oh ok |
| 08:59.29 | at0m | funny thing about it, says nfs mounts mounted before network is up or when i'm on other networks. |
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| 09:00.11 | at0m | but i don't care much for that. not enough to see why it says that. |
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| 09:42.14 | Lope | anyone familiar with amavisd-new? |
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| 09:45.54 | Lope | I need to add a DKIM key to my domain DNS, but the guide I'm using seems outdated. It suggests I create a key named /etc/amdvisd/amavisd.conf. firstly the dir is '/etc/amavis/ (not amavisd) and secondly, there's a conf.d directory inside it. Any ideas? I've installed iRedAdmin already and ticked the box for DKIM support, so I don't know if a DKIM key has been created for me already. But I guess the guide wouldn't tell me to make a DKIM key if the installer has |
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| 09:47.05 | philpep | hi everyone, I've a strange issue. I've two servers under debian wheezy, a service with the same init script, same /etc/default/locale, /etc/environment empty. But on one server the service start with LANG unset. Any thoughts ? |
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| 09:57.37 | DominikB | is ibus nessacery for a western debian system ? |
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| 09:59.35 | momomo | hi dudes! I am have started to use evolution mail and I would like to set up accounts against some gmails accounts ... download all the emails and then terminate gmail accounts permentately but still have accesst to all the old mails, and could possibly store them on a separate disk, and preferably search them using evolution ... i believe thunderbird is not as good, right ? |
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| 10:03.22 | momomo | how can I ensure that all mail from an account has been downloaded for offline usage .. that includes all mail and archives and what not .. eveything! :) |
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| 10:11.39 | rozie | send already email, but maybe someone has fresh info: 176.9.184.93 seems to be down (httpredir.debian.org) |
| 10:11.52 | rozie | any ideas when it will be up again? |
| 10:11.56 | bittyx | Hi. I need help figuring out which image to download for installation - I'll be downloading debian-8.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso from here - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ - but do I also need debian-update-8.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso? |
| 10:12.03 | bittyx | Or should I just download the latter maybe? |
| 10:12.20 | rozie | bittyx: most of the time netiso should be enough |
| 10:12.21 | kodapa | rozie: it is responding for me |
| 10:12.50 | rozie | kodapa: must have started right now :-) |
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| 10:13.14 | bittyx | rozie, What's netiso? Do you mean the netinst in the "CD" option? Ie. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso? |
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| 10:14.07 | bittyx | Also, I'll be installing from USB, if that makes a difference. |
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| 10:17.15 | spm_draget | https://wiki.debian.org/Swap deocuments how to configure a swap-file. It misses the information to remove read-permissions (chmod go-r /swap) from the file, leaving the file world-readable. Local users can dump the file and extract possible sensetive information or even key-information. I do not have an account to edit the wiki… would anyone care? |
| 10:19.17 | rozie | bittyx: yes, that link |
| 10:19.34 | rozie | AFAIK its hybrid cd/usb |
| 10:19.49 | rozie | bittyx: you need to have network connection during installation |
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| 10:34.46 | ppparadox | Hello, what could be the reason why a clean install of mysql-server doesn't create /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 10:35.25 | ppparadox | thus failing to set the mysql root password and failing to start the server |
| 10:35.52 | hexhaxtron | In aptitude how can I deselect all packages containing ':i386'? |
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| 10:38.50 | msn | hmmmm ppparadox /var/run/mysqld does not exist |
| 10:39.34 | ppparadox | msn: folder exists, 755 owner mysql group root |
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| 10:40.07 | msn | check /var/log/mysql/error.log |
| 10:40.37 | msn | and /var/log/mysql.err |
| 10:40.58 | ppparadox | /var/log/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql.log are empty, journalctl -xn says Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket |
| 10:41.08 | ppparadox | cause it's not there of course |
| 10:41.35 | spm_draget | https://wiki.debian.org/Swap documents how to configure a swap-file. It misses the information to remove read-permissions (chmod go-r /swap) from the file, leaving the file world-readable. Local users can dump the file and extract possible sensetive information or even key-information. I do not have an account to edit the wiki… would anyone care? |
| 10:41.41 | cassiel | hi, anyone experiencing troubles with grub2 upon a fresh install? I can't get it to install on any drive |
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| 10:45.37 | bittyx | rozie: Thanks for the tips! |
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| 10:46.57 | ppparadox | tried to move the socket to /var/lib/mysql, no luck. |
| 10:49.52 | beepie | lol |
| 10:49.53 | beepie | man |
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| 11:08.53 | Vanfanel | Hi. I used to manually change tty console map with "sudo loadkes es". Now it doesn't work anymore. Where are the tty console keymaps stored in jessie? looked in /usr/share with no luck. |
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| 11:13.05 | bookmark | hi |
| 11:13.29 | bookmark | anyone know how to change ones host name? |
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| 11:14.08 | cast | man hostname; make sure to read the FILES section |
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| 11:16.48 | beepie | well there's the debian wiki, it covers it well |
| 11:17.02 | beepie | (google debian wiki change hostname) |
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| 12:17.25 | Vanfanel | berarma: I mean doing "loadkes es" causes an error: "cannot open file es" |
| 12:17.35 | Vanfanel | any idea what am I doing wrong? |
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| 12:29.40 | glaucom | hi all , |
| 12:29.51 | glaucom | helpme install driver graphic ? |
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| 12:34.11 | Lope | can I safely disable exim4? or make it let go of port 25? |
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| 12:40.47 | chribo | Hey guys - I've got a little problem (not that good with linux though) - I want to install apt-transport-https but it says it cannot be found; I know it's the source.list, I already added some more sources but still no package found... Any ideas? |
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| 12:43.11 | cheater | have you done apt-get update? |
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| 12:44.30 | chribo | cheater: Yeah - the Driver for method https cannot be found; Is the package apt-transport-https installed? |
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| 12:45.22 | cheater | sounds fucked |
| 12:45.44 | chribo | fucked-fucked or fixable-fucked? |
| 12:45.47 | cheater | uhh are you trying to update using the https transport before you have the https transport |
| 12:45.50 | cheater | no idea |
| 12:46.21 | chribo | idk i just installed debian on a VM and tried to update |
| 12:46.29 | cheater | that's fucked up |
| 12:46.40 | cheater | try to install another debian |
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| 12:46.59 | cheater | better than spending your day chasing bizzarro bugs |
| 12:47.17 | Hedphelym | just edit your sources file |
| 12:47.31 | Hedphelym | comment out the one with https, or change it to http |
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| 12:47.39 | chribo | alright lemme see |
| 12:47.40 | Hedphelym | then do apt-get update and install the package. |
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| 12:47.50 | Hedphelym | then add the one with https again if you want. |
| 12:48.04 | chribo | Hedphelym: there's no entry with https |
| 12:48.29 | Hedphelym | do a apt-get update and see which one it does last. |
| 12:48.51 | chribo | ftp.de.debian.org |
| 12:48.54 | chribo | comment that one out? |
| 12:49.17 | Hedphelym | I did this myself a couple of days ago, and I had a entry with https. |
| 12:49.35 | Hedphelym | got the same error, and I just commented it out, and installed the package as I mention above. |
| 12:50.15 | chribo | Still the same message when i try to apt-get update |
| 12:50.24 | Hedphelym | could there be another file with the https repo in? some of them have their own files with the apt info in them |
| 12:50.32 | chribo | and every source is commented out |
| 12:50.35 | Hedphelym | they are located in a subfolder |
| 12:50.39 | chribo | hmm let me check |
| 12:50.56 | chribo | well yeah there it is |
| 12:51.05 | Hedphelym | good. |
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| 12:52.37 | chribo | Well now it kinda works but I still cant make any updates |
| 12:52.59 | chribo | some 503 Service Unvailable's and 404 Not Found's |
| 12:53.28 | Hedphelym | maybe you should get a new 'default' apt file? |
| 12:53.30 | chribo | Which could be fixed by adding more mirrors right? |
| 12:53.33 | Hedphelym | yeah |
| 12:53.53 | chribo | is there some kind of generator or something? |
| 12:54.05 | Hedphelym | what version of debian? |
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| 12:54.28 | chribo | uhm 8 |
| 12:54.54 | Hedphelym | type this (as seen in the topic in this channel) /msg dpkg install jessie |
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| 12:55.37 | Hedphelym | then work your way through the info there. finding mirrors is easy on the main site. default values can easily be found with google I guesss (I'm using a terminal to work in so I cannot google around for you).. |
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| 12:56.26 | chribo | I'll just look for some mirrors then and add them to the sources.list, should be the easiest way right? |
| 12:56.32 | Hedphelym | yeah |
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| 12:59.24 | chribo | Hedphelym: Just another question: Do I have to write it like deb http//ftp.xyz/d jessie-updates main contrib ? Or something else? |
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| 12:59.52 | Hedphelym | http://ftp.xyz/d |
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| 13:00.08 | chribo | No jessie-updates and so on? |
| 13:00.12 | Hedphelym | yes |
| 13:00.21 | chribo | okay thx I'll try |
| 13:00.23 | Hedphelym | you have to include that part |
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| 13:00.33 | chribo | how exactly? |
| 13:01.11 | Hedphelym | see here https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 13:01.34 | chribo | thx alot |
| 13:01.34 | Hedphelym | there is a full example there if you scroll down |
| 13:01.36 | Hedphelym | :) |
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| 13:05.40 | cheater | chribo: maybe there's something in sources.list.d |
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| 13:06.13 | chribo | Hedphelym: Just added ftp2.de.debian.org and downloading apt-transport-https succeeded :) Now I'll try to do an apt-get update but it's somehow stuck at 100% [Waiting for headers] |
| 13:06.45 | Hedphelym | just let it sit for a bit and see where it times out. |
| 13:07.35 | chribo | Yeah |
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| 13:10.26 | chribo | Hedphelym: Doesn't seem to time out... I commented out every line except the ftp2 one and its stuck at 70% of the headers at the moment - any ideas? |
| 13:10.37 | Hedphelym | try another mirror |
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| 13:11.02 | chribo | alright |
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| 13:13.23 | chele | chribo httpredir.debian.org selects the appropriate mirror for you. |
| 13:13.34 | chribo | chele: automatically? |
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| 13:14.00 | chele | How else? |
| 13:15.01 | Hedphelym | ah nice, i did not know of that chele. |
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| 13:15.40 | chribo | So I'll just add deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main to my sourcelist right? |
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| 13:20.23 | chribo | Hmm still doesn't work, |
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| 13:20.53 | penna | what was the packaging channel again please? |
| 13:21.44 | chribo | Woops - Last line is W: Error on getting from http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages 503 Service unavailable |
| 13:21.44 | Stummi | penna, #debian-mentors at oftc? |
| 13:22.47 | penna | thanks Stummi why isnt this channel on freenode? |
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| 13:23.10 | Stummi | penna, because OFTC is the official irc server for the debian project. |
| 13:23.18 | Stummi | that there are chans at freenode is actually the plus |
| 13:23.47 | penna | yeah. on freenode are more users on :) |
| 13:24.11 | jelly | !irc move |
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| 13:24.54 | jelly | !irc.debian.org |
| 13:24.54 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 13:26.51 | thurstylark | Is there a maximum or minimum or reserved range of UIDs? |
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| 13:29.29 | jelly | thurstylark: yes, https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
| 13:29.39 | thurstylark | jelly: Thanks! |
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| 13:34.34 | jelly | thurstylark: if you need more than what the 1000-59999 range allows, feel free to use 65536 - 2^32-2 ... but I can't find a reference on what's reserved near the end of the 32bit unsigned uid/gid range |
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| 13:36.19 | thurstylark | jelly: Nah, I just need <50 gids in the 2000 range, and hadn't ever needed to manually assign them, so I wanted to be sure before I messed stuff up. |
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| 13:44.31 | Hedphelym | chribo: add it without the http:// |
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| 13:46.36 | chribo | Hedphelym: It's our Firewall... I typed the url into my browser and I can't get out, that's the problem |
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| 13:47.01 | TheWarden | Hi, how does one properly disable root logins? You can do this at the time of installation of the Debian OS by leaving the password blank. Is this just achieving this by using passwd -l root ? |
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| 13:47.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys is the nagios nrpe package compile with out args now? |
| 13:48.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | none of my disk checks will work w/o args and i turned it on in config but still not working.. so now i think it was compiled wrong in jessie debian. |
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| 13:49.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | chribo: those damn firewalls eh? |
| 13:49.24 | chribo | Eryn_1983_FL: Always... All the damn time |
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| 13:49.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | :") |
| 13:49.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | :) |
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| 13:51.08 | Hedphelym | chribo: can you PM me the exact url you have typed into the apt source file? |
| 13:51.08 | user4 | where can i download gnupanel for jessie? |
| 13:51.15 | Hedphelym | the whole line. |
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| 13:53.18 | Hedphelym | or paste it here if you want.. :) up to you. |
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| 13:54.37 | jiggawattz | pastebin is better ;) |
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| 13:55.13 | Hedphelym | yeah true. |
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| 14:02.41 | SynrGy | !tell user4 about free whcp |
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| 14:03.35 | SynrGy | user4: not in debian, and no package in progress for it, that i can see. |
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| 14:04.35 | SynrGy | when i google for it i see a failed indiegogo campaign for it in 2013 |
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| 14:05.22 | SynrGy | doesn't really inspire me :) |
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| 14:07.01 | user4 | can you suggest me the alternative or which is better to use? |
| 14:07.22 | SynrGy | the dpkg factoid i sent you lists a whole ton of them |
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| 14:07.36 | SynrGy | i'm not shopping for a web control panel, so i can't really say which is 'best' |
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| 14:07.50 | SynrGy | that's a matter of opinion |
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| 14:22.18 | afidegnum | hello, how do I find the actual Processor running by the system via SSH? |
| 14:22.36 | SynrGy | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 14:23.03 | afidegnum | thanks |
| 14:24.46 | afidegnum | wow, that's lots of information |
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| 14:25.39 | SynrGy | afidegnum: for something more compact, lshw -c processor, or hwinfo --cpu |
| 14:25.48 | SynrGy | both of which are not installed by default |
| 14:26.05 | afidegnum | ok, but i got the info i needed from the processor already |
| 14:26.09 | SynrGy | yep |
| 14:26.16 | afidegnum | what are the said Flags on teh processors for? |
| 14:26.34 | afidegnum | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr .... |
| 14:26.44 | SynrGy | various processor features are important for certain applications, e.g. for a VM with hardware accel you need specific flags |
| 14:26.56 | SynrGy | the software itself should tell you in its documentation which flags are needed |
| 14:27.09 | SynrGy | if they're absent, it means the software either won't run at all, or will run less efficiently |
| 14:27.24 | afidegnum | ok, i get it , |
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| 14:28.02 | SynrGy | most software doesn't require specific processor flags to run. |
| 14:28.20 | SynrGy | an example of software that does is kvm (qemu) |
| 14:29.03 | SynrGy | !xve |
| 14:29.03 | dpkg | To confirm if your processor supports x86 virtualization extensions, run: egrep -q -e '^flags.*vmx' -e '^flags.*svm' /proc/cpuinfo && echo 'virtualization extensions available'. Some systems require Intel VT-x / AMD Virtualization (SVM) support to be enabled in BIOS. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 14:29.47 | SynrGy | and virtualbox is unhappy without it (refuses to run a 64-bit VM without it) |
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| 15:02.53 | dersand | Allright. I think i've done something wrong. When i installed debian, i have no windows 10 in my grub. When i try to install grub-recovery i get weird 404 errors |
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| 15:09.22 | decci | Hello |
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| 15:09.58 | decci | I have a question. Does debian/rules clean && build && binary uses cmake or autotools |
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| 15:11.07 | SynrGy | decci: impossible to answer without knowing what you're building. |
| 15:11.14 | decci | I have precompiled source code on which I ran the following cmake command:cmake -DDO_STAGING=FALSE -G 'Unix Makefiles' -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/tmp/OM_INST_PFX/620/64 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DBUILD_ARCH=m64 -DRELEASE_MAJOR=6 -DRELEASE_MINOR=2 -DRELEASE_MICRO=0 -DSIGN_JARS=FALSE -DOBFUSCATE_JARS=FALSE -DTKT_NO=1234 -DREV_NO=1234 ../ |
| 15:11.30 | ewew | To solve something we need intel. |
| 15:11.43 | SynrGy | decci: debian/rules is just a top-level makefile. it will call whatever upstream's build system is |
| 15:11.51 | decci | SynrGy: Now I ran dh_make -f ../cs_source.tar.gz cs_6.2.0 |
| 15:12.40 | SynrGy | dh_make only gives you a starting point. the rest is up to you |
| 15:12.42 | decci | SynrGy: Then I did debian/rules clean, went well.. if I run debian/rules build => it again tried to build it through cmake correct? |
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| 15:13.03 | SynrGy | it's a rare package that will actually build successfully based on unmodified dh_make output |
| 15:13.05 | decci | SynrGy: Is it using cmake or autotools?? |
| 15:13.16 | SynrGy | decci: you want to take this to #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net |
| 15:13.25 | SynrGy | that's where you learn to package. not here. |
| 15:13.26 | decci | SynrGy: My question - what tool does it uses by default? |
| 15:13.48 | decci | Hello |
| 15:13.49 | SynrGy | meaningless question |
| 15:14.10 | SynrGy | there is no 'default tool' used |
| 15:14.27 | SynrGy | dh_make does its best to try to make a working config, based on what it finds the upstream package uses. |
| 15:14.31 | decci | SynrGy: let me contact #debian-mentors |
| 15:14.40 | SynrGy | decci: ok. on irc.oftc.net, not this network |
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| 15:16.00 | SynrGy | decci: dh_make is intended to be used by skilled hands to help cut out some of the drudgery of making a debian package. it is *not* a replacement for skill. |
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| 15:16.42 | hiya | guys, what do you use for secure backup? |
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| 15:16.45 | decci | SynrGy: I understand that. I have been using the official debian packaging system |
| 15:16.45 | SynrGy | decci: if you expect it to magically make a working debian package ... sorry to disappoint. there's a learning curve to packaging things correctly. start with the resources listed in the #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net channel topic. |
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| 15:17.07 | decci | SynrGy: All I had a confusion with autools and cmake |
| 15:17.11 | ewew | hiya Need more info. |
| 15:17.23 | decci | SynrGy: I used autotools and it worked awesome. Just want to try cmake |
| 15:17.25 | jordanm | dh_auto_build is what actually attempts to execute the correct build system, not dh_make |
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| 15:17.42 | SynrGy | decci: does upstream support both? |
| 15:17.44 | jordanm | dh_make just copies some templates |
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| 15:18.09 | decci | jordanm: Yes ..all I am concerned about debian/rules build |
| 15:18.10 | SynrGy | jordanm: thanks for that clarification |
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| 15:18.59 | decci | jordanm: I already had precompiled source code using cmake...now when I run debian/rules build it is again trying to build using cmake it seems |
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| 15:19.19 | jordanm | decci: why do you believe that to be incorrect? |
| 15:19.42 | jordanm | you told it to build and it tried to build... |
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| 15:21.07 | jordanm | decci: if you don't want the package build to attempt to build, then override dh_auto_build to be a noop |
| 15:21.25 | decci | jordanm: Becoz I am unable to get debian/rules binary work without running clean and build |
| 15:21.41 | decci | jordanm: let me put this in example |
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| 15:23.35 | jelly | decci: debian/rules is basically a Makefile. If you want it to avoid rebuilding, make sure the targets for "make -f debian/rules build" are satisfied and fresh enough |
| 15:27.52 | dersand | I have debian/grub installed. But windows isn't showing, what do i need to do? |
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| 15:29.57 | hiya | ewew, I am looking for a cloud drive or offsite backup solution like Owncloud provider etc |
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| 15:32.36 | oo_miguel | Any idea what might have caused the: "BUG: bad rss-counter" and are the consequent segfaults of beam.smp and ssl-params a consequence of that: http://paste.debian.net/335559/ |
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| 15:36.59 | nse | Hi. Is there any moderate reason for me not to believe in the output of "lsb_release -a"? I want to figure out which operational system I am running on my computer. That is all, folks. Good vibrations for everybody. |
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| 15:39.39 | pfote | nse: ofcoz it can be faked, but under normal circumstances it should be reliable |
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| 15:43.03 | penna | I already tried update-alternatives for all x-www-browser and links still open in chromium instead of iceweasel. Where can I carry on? |
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| 15:47.21 | Hello71 | penna: what program? also check env |
| 15:47.54 | ChrisH | penna: I do not know which is the correct one, but there are more alternatives, see: ls -l /etc/alternatives/*browser* |
| 15:47.56 | penna | Hello71, all programs. e.g. hexchat, and hexchat has firefox set as url-handler |
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| 15:49.45 | nse | pfote: Well, I believe I am under normal circumstances. I am almost quite sure I have being using Debian for a while. But, who knows. Maybe I am wrong about that. Anyway, thanks for your answer, pfote. Perhaps I will know it for sure sometime. That's what it is! |
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| 15:50.40 | pfote | nse: if its a debian you can also check /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:53.03 | oo_miguel | Is there some memtester I can use on a system that is running? I do not have physical access to the computer |
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| 15:54.04 | oo_miguel | oh I guess memtester is the right thing for me |
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| 15:55.46 | xingu | oo_miguel: at the risk of bikeshedding, combine with cpuburn for best results. |
| 15:56.27 | xingu | oo_miguel: power delivery and thermal problems won't necessarily manifest unassisted. |
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| 16:03.51 | jakeFat | anyone have mysql server install. what are the file owner/group settings on /var/lib/mysql/ibdata1 ? |
| 16:03.59 | jakeFat | I set it to mysql mysql |
| 16:04.34 | vamps | jakeFat: -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql |
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| 16:05.02 | jakeFat | 660?, I thought was 640, thx |
| 16:05.24 | vamps | yep |
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| 16:08.05 | jakeFat | anyone have experience restore a mysql server by copying from linux filesystems, like if you do not have the system running and so you can't do mysqldump |
| 16:08.28 | jakeFat | I tried to copy over /etc/mysql/my.conf and /var/lib/mysql/ibdata1 but it didn't work |
| 16:09.11 | LordShadowWing | I can read from, but not write to 1.44 MB floppy disks |
| 16:09.27 | blind | checks his calendar |
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| 16:09.57 | jakeFat | vamps http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2014/04/recover-innodb-mysql/ even here it is 640 |
| 16:10.26 | jakeFat | log files eh, I gotta copy those too, and scheme_name dir too |
| 16:10.58 | pfote | jakeFat: what errors? |
| 16:11.24 | jakeFat | pfote, no errors, just the databases are not present |
| 16:12.04 | pfote | you didnt try to start mysqld? |
| 16:12.26 | jakeFat | pfote, yes, it is running, and I restarted it after copy those files over |
| 16:12.28 | jelly | jakeFat: copy the whole of /var/lib/mysql, I guess |
| 16:12.54 | pfote | oh i see it runs but the db is gone |
| 16:13.14 | pfote | yeah what jelly says, copy the whole dir |
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| 16:17.13 | jakeFat | jelly, thx |
| 16:17.18 | jakeFat | pfote, thx |
| 16:17.24 | jakeFat | how do I get root to print in color |
| 16:17.49 | jelly | for one thing, root shouldn't print at all |
| 16:18.11 | jelly | for the other, make sure you've set up the printer queue with correct options |
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| 16:18.34 | jakeFat | not print, I mean when I do ls -lh I |
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| 16:18.48 | jakeFat | I'd like to see directories as blue, but nevermind, it is not important |
| 16:19.09 | pfote | jakeFat: avoid "working" as root if possible |
| 16:19.20 | jakeFat | what about owner/group, I can set them all to mysql mysql? |
| 16:19.24 | jelly | jakeFat: add --color ? |
| 16:19.32 | jakeFat | pfoo, yes but in this case I must |
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| 16:20.50 | jelly | probably want to read about and search for dircolors and LS_COLORS in ls manual. You get the ls manual by doing "info coreutils ls" |
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| 16:22.06 | jelly | jakeFat: set them exactly the same as they were on the source. Yes all of /var/lib/mysql is owned by mysql:mysql |
| 16:22.40 | jakeFat | jelly, thx |
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| 16:25.36 | decci | Hello Guys |
| 16:25.42 | decci | jordanm: u there |
| 16:25.54 | decci | I have tried putting my query through http://pastebin.com/37Vg49bp |
| 16:25.58 | decci | do suggest |
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| 16:29.50 | oo_miguel | xingu: ok thanks for your suggestions |
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| 16:33.38 | decci | Anyone with debian packaging experience |
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| 16:35.55 | oo_miguel | After I get a new kernel via apt-get upgrade, do I have to restart the system in order to make use of it? |
| 16:36.07 | greycat | yes |
| 16:36.27 | oo_miguel | greycat: what happens otherwise? is it used inconsistently or not at all? |
| 16:36.37 | greycat | If you don't reboot, you are still running on the previous kernel. |
| 16:36.47 | oo_miguel | greycat: ok makes sense, thank you |
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| 16:40.20 | targeto | i am trying to install jessie on an old laptop which is not connected to the internet. i booted the debian-live-8.2.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso and proceeded to install jessie onto the hardisk which went fine until i got stcuk at "The grub-pc package failed to install into /target/" |
| 16:41.51 | greycat | targeto: you *might* be able to find some more details of what happened on Alt-F4 (log), or by issuing command on Alt-F2 (shell) |
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| 16:44.04 | targeto | greycat, the laptop locked up completely. had to abort the installation |
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| 16:46.46 | targeto | do i have to mount the usb pendrive before i do cp debian-live-8.2.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso /dev/sdb ? |
| 16:47.05 | greycat | No. |
| 16:47.25 | greycat | (Having it mounted would be bad.) |
| 16:48.33 | targeto | i have not so far but do i need to partition the usb pendrive before i do cp debian-live-8.2.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso /dev/sdb ? |
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| 16:49.05 | greycat | No. |
| 16:49.30 | greycat | Writing the image to /dev/sdb will clobber any existing partition table. |
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| 16:50.30 | jordanm | decci: your step 2 has no reason to exist |
| 16:50.40 | _piti | ? |
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| 16:51.12 | decci | jordanm: do you mean debian/rules build will take care of it |
| 16:51.43 | decci | jordanm: I got pre-compiled source code in a state from developer which has already run cmake and build |
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| 16:52.20 | aario | Hi Folks, |
| 16:52.33 | aario | I just installed debian |
| 16:52.34 | aario | and dwm |
| 16:52.40 | aario | I have a thinkpad |
| 16:52.46 | aario | when I close lid it doesn't go to suspend |
| 16:53.00 | KSX | hello, i am thinking about switching to debian testing and i have few questions, is it good for gaming (steam)? and what is the best way to install debian? |
| 16:53.00 | jordanm | decci: such a thing will never be accepted into debian, but if you still want to package it, just override dh_auto_build in rules to be a noop |
| 16:53.20 | aario | I enabled HandleLidSwitch=suspend |
| 16:53.24 | aario | But still nothing |
| 16:53.30 | aario | any idea is highly appreciated |
| 16:53.33 | jordanm | !tell KSX about install debian |
| 16:53.47 | jordanm | KSX: stable is fine for gaming |
| 16:53.59 | decci | jordanm: I am using override_dh_auto_build in the rules file but these developers are strict in saying that dont use autotools |
| 16:54.15 | decci | jordanm: They want me to use cmake and only cmake.. |
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| 16:54.16 | KSX | jordanm, thanks |
| 16:54.29 | greycat | decci: Holy fucking siht. |
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| 16:54.44 | greycat | decci: Don't let the terrorists win. |
| 16:54.44 | decci | greycat: what happened |
| 16:55.02 | decci | greycat: i didnt get you. Please educate. I am new to debian packaging |
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| 16:55.24 | greycat | What does any of this have to do with Debian packaging? Cmake is evil. Evil evil evil. Nobody should ever have to use it. |
| 16:55.24 | decci | greycat: all I used autotools and it packaged it well but no idea about cmake |
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| 16:56.05 | jordanm | what's the difference between you running cmake manually and dh_auto_build calling cmake? |
| 16:56.28 | greycat | In the latter case you can close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen. |
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| 16:58.31 | aario | Anyone here reads my message? My thinkpad doesn't go sleep on lid closed. Any idea? |
| 16:58.46 | decci | jordanm: Let me show you rules file http://pastebin.com/Fez892ba |
| 16:59.10 | decci | jordanm: I was using this rule file to create debian package and it was successfully working. Now they say..dont use autotools |
| 16:59.19 | decci | jordanm: You have to use cmake |
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| 16:59.28 | decci | jordanm: since build service has to be based on cmake |
| 16:59.36 | decci | jordanm: thats what they are confusing me |
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| 16:59.45 | aario | Nobody gives a damn! :-) |
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| 17:00.05 | jordanm | decci: dh $@ --builddirectory=_build --buildsystem=cmake |
| 17:00.17 | greycat | decci: who is this "they" and why does their demand matter? |
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| 17:01.00 | fsociety[00]dat | I booted from USB mini.iso and how to change disk order? My USB is sda and my hard disk is sdb but I want to see my hard disk as sda |
| 17:01.17 | decci | greycat: I am system admin and been put into packaging stuff..hence these source is coming from developers |
| 17:01.39 | greycat | That sucks. |
| 17:01.41 | decci | greycat: though I spent couple of weeks understanding .deb packages and created 4-5 of them |
| 17:02.16 | decci | greycat: but now they come back and say "wait...our build system uses cmake and dont use autotools...f&&K !!! |
| 17:02.35 | qman__ | fsociety[00]dat: those names are generated at boot time and are not consistent between boots, you should use UUIDs in fstab |
| 17:02.56 | greycat | cmake is the most horrible thing I've seen in a long time. It is supposed to enable some sort of cross-platform builds, but to use it on Cygwin you have to have the Microsoft fucking C compiler. A GUI one. And maybe some other stuff, I dunno. |
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| 17:03.28 | decci | greycat: thanks for the info |
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| 17:04.26 | greycat | I had one Tcl package that I needed to build in MinGW but it used cmake. I ended up ripping out the cmake crap and putting in a standard autotools-based build system instead. |
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| 17:06.01 | fsociety[00]dat | qman__: I trying to install Debian via USB stick and I write the iso with dd but I need to see my hard disk as sda but it is sdb now :( |
| 17:06.55 | qman__ | fsociety[00]dat: it doesn't matter; those are generated dynamically |
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| 17:07.09 | Guest44510 | Hey out of all the sudden my server did not have a network, I can only access it by plugging in the monitor to the actual server. Any ideas what the problem might be? |
| 17:07.28 | Guest44510 | netstat -nr gives me nothing |
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| 17:08.13 | revcane | does it have an ip address? |
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| 17:08.46 | qman__ | fsociety[00]dat: the installed will use the UUID, so the system will boot regardless of what name is assigned |
| 17:08.52 | Guest44510 | No I doesnt have an internal ip address revcane |
| 17:09.07 | revcane | Guest44510: how did you used to access it? by ip? |
| 17:09.26 | Guest44510 | revcane SSH via the internal IP |
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| 17:09.51 | revcane | was it a hard coded ip address or dhcp? |
| 17:09.55 | fsociety[00]dat | qman__: I tried this and reboot my pc but grub looks for sdb after first reboot. |
| 17:10.01 | Guest44510 | revcane DHCP I believe |
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| 17:11.06 | revcane | what is the interface? Maybe you can check dmesg and the logs and see if you see anything about not being able to receive a dhcp address. Also did you try and restart the dhcp client and see if you could get a new address? |
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| 17:13.29 | Guest44510 | revcane You mean restart it in the router? by typing "ifconfig" I only get the local host and mask 255.0.0.0 |
| 17:13.43 | revcane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.05 | Guest44510 | revcane permission denied as root |
| 17:14.24 | Guest44510 | sorry my bad wrong syntax |
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| 17:14.37 | revcane | cat /var/log/daemon.log | grep DHCPDISCOVER |
| 17:14.47 | revcane | see what interface you had dhcp running on before |
| 17:14.56 | revcane | then do dhclient ethX or what ever the interface was |
| 17:15.15 | revcane | and see if you get a new ip address, also you can tail /var/log/daemon.log while you're doing it to see if you get any information |
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| 17:16.29 | Guest44510 | revcane | grep DHCPDISCOVER doesnt give me anything |
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| 17:17.08 | hotwings | hey fellas. can someone recommend a good usb dvdrw that works well with debian stable? |
| 17:17.17 | revcane | what about if you grep for dhclient do you get anything? |
| 17:17.50 | Guest44510 | revcane Nope |
| 17:18.02 | revcane | cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:18.29 | Guest44510 | revcane Loopback or primary? |
| 17:18.43 | revcane | what details are for the primary and what is it? |
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| 17:19.18 | Guest44510 | revcane "allow-hotplug eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" "auto eth0" in the Primary |
| 17:19.44 | revcane | did you try dhclient eth0 yet? |
| 17:20.06 | Guest44510 | revcane You mean add that? |
| 17:20.09 | revcane | man |
| 17:20.11 | revcane | ooops |
| 17:20.12 | revcane | nah* |
| 17:20.15 | revcane | just run it as root |
| 17:20.28 | revcane | dhclient eth0 will try and get a dhcp address for the eth0 interface |
| 17:20.43 | Guest44510 | Should I reboot the system after running that? |
| 17:20.47 | revcane | nah |
| 17:21.08 | Guest44510 | Man I think it worked |
| 17:21.16 | revcane | try ifconfig eth0 and see if you got an ip |
| 17:21.30 | Guest44510 | revcane yup I did ^^ thanks man |
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| 17:22.14 | revcane | np |
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| 17:32.01 | jakeFat | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE |
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| 17:35.12 | awal1 | Sometimes I leave my machine alone, locked with xscreensaver, xtrlock..., how I can make power button unresponsive, block/lock it, for prevent shutdown or hard reset that some one can perform pressing that button? Probably it's a hardware feature not related with OS, right? |
| 17:36.05 | jakeFat | yeah, I'd guess it is hardware feature, maybe in bios or open the box and yank that wire out. |
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| 17:37.20 | jakeFat | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is text based now, I miss the menu based one we used to have |
| 17:37.49 | awal1 | jakeFat: ok, I'll check bios during next reboot and maybe I find something related. thanks |
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| 17:38.45 | jakeFat | awal1, probably the reset one can be block by os, but the hard power shutdown, like if you hold down the power button, the os can't block that one for sure I would say. |
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| 17:40.04 | awal1 | jakeFat: I agree, I'm pretty sure also; but I just asked thinking that maybe it's possible... |
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| 17:41.53 | awal1 | A feature asking for password when holding down power button would be interesting... |
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| 17:45.54 | blind | awal1: http://superuser.com/questions/699905/change-behavior-of-linux-power-button ? |
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| 17:48.56 | jakeFat | what can I do so gmail doesn't put my emails in spam, I mean for myself I can just look in spam and mark it as not spam, but if there is something I can do to prevent it from going to spam in the first place that would be ideal. |
| 17:50.00 | blind | mark it not spam? |
| 17:50.05 | blind | that should remember it, no? |
| 17:50.35 | jakeFat | blind, yeah, it is no problem for me sending emails to myself but for other then I have to tell them, like call em up on the phone. |
| 17:51.07 | blind | Maybe you should email Gmail support. |
| 17:51.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not sure how that's a debian-specific question. |
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| 17:51.33 | blind | NoImNotNineVolt: How many volts ARE you? |
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| 17:52.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | blind: depends how hard i pedal. |
| 17:52.38 | jakeFat | Guess not, nevermind, at least I can receive mail, that is most important. |
| 17:52.39 | awal1 | blind: thanks for the link. seems that the superuser . com suggestion as said by someone there "disables only the single press of the power button. A long press will still shut the machine down". Anyway, I'll try what suggested in the link. thanks |
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| 17:54.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | jakeFat: mail is a fickle thing, and you're not being very descriptive here. it's not even clear where you're sending mail from. |
| 17:54.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | are you sending from a gmail account? are you sending from your own mail server? details like these matter, no? |
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| 17:55.11 | jakeFat | It used to work before, gmail wouldn't categorize it as spam but since I did a re-install it is easy, or maybe same thing happen last time and I just forget. Thx anyways NoImNotNineVolt |
| 17:55.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | i reiterate my last question/comment. |
| 17:56.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | (and add the question "re-install of what?") |
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| 17:56.52 | jakeFat | NoImNotNineVolt, instead, why not scroll up and read, I am clearly talking about sending email to my gmail. It is totally obvious. But thx anyways, I appreciate your offer to help. I am past it now. |
| 17:57.30 | blind | "to my gmail" "where you're sending mail from" |
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| 17:58.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | jakeFat: does it not occur to you that the source of the email is the primary factor in determining its classification as spam or non-spam? |
| 17:58.12 | jakeFat | from my debian exim4 email server |
| 17:58.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | jakeFat: that if you're sending it from a mail server on a dynamic ip that's been blacklisted for spamming that this is different than if you're sending from a clean gmail account? |
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| 17:58.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | jakeFat: i scrolled up and was unable to find any previous mention of debian, exim4, or a private server. |
| 17:58.56 | jakeFat | oh yeah true, I never mentioned exim4, sorry bout that |
| 17:59.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | jakeFat: i also was unable to find any mention of SPF records, etc. |
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| 17:59.15 | jakeFat | I do not think my ip is blocked. It is permanet |
| 17:59.33 | jakeFat | NoImNotNineVolt, no I never did any spf stuff |
| 17:59.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | so basically, you're running your own mail server and wondering why your email is flagged as spam. |
| 17:59.58 | jakeFat | NoImNotNineVolt, yeah |
| 18:00.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | the answer: because when you run your own mail server, all mail it sends is considered spam. |
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| 18:00.09 | jakeFat | its a vps, I have a static ip, I installed debian 8 |
| 18:00.14 | jakeFat | and exim4 |
| 18:00.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | [unless you go through a long, arduous process of changing that] |
| 18:00.23 | greycat | Oh, VPS. That's the WORST. |
| 18:00.25 | jakeFat | its works fine, just the spam issue I mentioned |
| 18:00.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | VPS is as bad as a comcast dynamic ip. |
| 18:00.37 | jakeFat | greycat, why? what is better? |
| 18:00.45 | greycat | My VPS is part of a block that's marked as "spammers" even by wikipedia. I can't edit wikipedia when I ssh tunnel through it. |
| 18:01.00 | jelly | greycat: sooo... nothing of value is lost? |
| 18:01.03 | jakeFat | but it is static ip. cpanel accounts are shared on a single server too, and they have dynamic ip's usually |
| 18:01.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | ha |
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| 18:01.09 | afidegnum | hi, my dedicated server has a main IP address and additional IP address i bought recently, I plan to create 2 virtual machine, one on Linux and on windows. do I set Proxmox KVM/Bridged or KVM/Routed? |
| 18:01.15 | greycat | jelly: I can ssh tunnel through my home computer and then it's accepted. |
| 18:01.27 | jakeFat | dedicated is too expensive for me at the moment |
| 18:01.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | jakeFat: here's a relevant semirecent article from slashdot: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/10/19/1434236/the-hostile-email-landscape |
| 18:01.58 | jakeFat | NoImNotNineVolt, thx |
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| 18:02.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | long story short: don't run your own mail server. your mail will be flagged as spam. |
| 18:02.14 | multi_io | why does Debian define certain global UIDs/GIDs (via the base-passwd package)? |
| 18:02.49 | multi_io | (rather than just letting the respective packages add their system users/groups at package installation time) |
| 18:03.00 | jakeFat | oh might be my .biz tdl |
| 18:03.03 | jakeFat | tld |
| 18:03.30 | multi_io | e.g. www-data:*:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/usr/sbin/nologin |
| 18:03.39 | jakeFat | Oh crap I'm late. nice talking to you guys have a great day. |
| 18:03.57 | multi_io | the same uid/gid on all systems, present even if no webserver is installed |
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| 18:09.41 | momomo | there is no system tray in gnome it appears .. and apps that should be hidden appear in the dock and in application switcher .. is there a way to hide these ? minimize doesnt seem to help |
| 18:09.42 | momomo | they are mostly used |
| 18:09.46 | momomo | through hotkeys |
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| 18:12.51 | amdp_ | hi just fixed one debian installation and now I need to turn an ubuntu server into a new jessie |
| 18:13.27 | tethra | reinstall is the only way, there's not a migration path between ubuntu and debian |
| 18:13.28 | amdp_ | what's the difference between netinst, ssh installation and debootstrap one? |
| 18:13.35 | tethra | oh i see :D |
| 18:13.41 | tethra | pass |
| 18:13.49 | greycat | Netinst is booting a small ISO image to install from. |
| 18:14.03 | amdp_ | I did it once, but I used d |
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| 18:14.13 | amdp_ | sorry the debootstrap one |
| 18:14.16 | greycat | Debootstrap is usually for setting up another instance of Debian (different release) inside a chroot. |
| 18:14.58 | amdp_ | I remember I made another instance of debian as you say, then made it to be the main one and removed the CentOS |
| 18:14.59 | jelly | amdp_: ssh installation is a special case of netinst installation where the image is booted, network and a sshd set up to allow doing most of the work over ssh |
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| 18:15.39 | amdp_ | but netinst won't fix my case right? |
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| 18:16.05 | greycat | What "fix"? You said you wanted to install Debian. |
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| 18:16.25 | greycat | If you have physical access to the machine, stick in a CD or USB device with the net inst image on it, and install. |
| 18:16.25 | jelly | <amdp_> [...] now I need to turn an ubuntu server into a new jessie |
| 18:16.30 | jelly | presumably that fix |
| 18:16.33 | amdp_ | sorry greycat as usual my words aren't precise.. I need to change a default installed ubuntu into a debian |
| 18:16.41 | greycat | Reinstall over it. |
| 18:16.49 | amdp_ | remotely |
| 18:17.00 | greycat | Well, that sounds like "fun". |
| 18:17.11 | amdp_ | yes it has been once :-) |
| 18:17.15 | greycat | Can you make new file systems out of an existing LVM volume? |
| 18:17.24 | jelly | it's why we buy hardware with remote console, remote iso image booting capability |
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| 18:19.07 | amdp_ | so you're saying don't do it |
| 18:19.29 | greycat | If you can make new file systems and debootstrap into those, it might be OK. |
| 18:19.43 | greycat | If you have to reuse the existing root file system, well, uh... maybe? I wouldn't know how. |
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| 18:20.33 | amdp_ | I see. |
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| 18:21.58 | jelly | it's not "don't do it", more like "be prepared when your system does not boot at some step" |
| 18:22.17 | amdp_ | so when I read about netinst it means I extract an installer and then I run that at boot, which means I won't be accessing the server with ssh |
| 18:22.28 | amdp_ | I have the possibility to use a KVM |
| 18:22.58 | amdp_ | when I am in trouble |
| 18:23.22 | amdp_ | but at this point it would be nice to use a kvm before I get in trouble :D |
| 18:24.08 | amdp_ | instead of debootstrapping I could netinstall jessie on that server replacing the old ubuntu |
| 18:24.56 | greycat | Netinst does not mean "extract an installer". It is the normal every day installation method where you put a CD in a machine and power it on. |
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| 18:25.43 | amdp_ | so what's the difference between a standard one? that you boot the cd there and finish the installation on another place? |
| 18:25.51 | greycat | Netinst IS the standard one. |
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| 18:26.00 | greycat | Dumb people write great big ISO images instead. Because they are dumb. |
| 18:26.24 | amdp_ | got it :-) |
| 18:27.05 | amdp_ | so I'd prefer ssh installation |
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| 18:55.13 | Ivan__ | hello. |
| 18:55.28 | Ivan__ | was wondering if is ok to download debian on a thinkpad x301 |
| 18:55.44 | Ivan__ | mainly concerned about the trackpad + wireless drivers |
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| 18:58.51 | cVsup | somebody can say how can remastering debian installation cd? I need add extra packages and customize the installation |
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| 19:00.10 | droopy | Help I tried submitting a CSR and it said 'Common Name does not contain fully qualified domain name' |
| 19:00.34 | droopy | I am never prompted for a domain/common name |
| 19:00.44 | droopy | When creating the CSR |
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| 19:01.35 | jelly | Ivan__: no reason why trackpad wouldn't work on such an old system. wireless may require firmware. Consider using |
| 19:01.39 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 19:01.39 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 19:01.56 | droopy | Can someone please help |
| 19:02.04 | jelly | droopy: you're asked for a CN |
| 19:02.19 | jelly | put the full name of your machine with the domain, there |
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| 19:02.57 | droopy | jelly: Let me try generating a new CSR. Here is my command: 'openssl req -new -newkey rsa:2048 -nodes -keyout mykey.key -out mykey.csr' |
| 19:03.08 | jelly | droopy: if not, then describe precisely how you're creating the csr, show the whole input and output. |
| 19:03.11 | jelly | !paste |
| 19:03.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 19:04.56 | jelly | droopy: at some point, you SHOULD get a question like: Common Name (e.g. server FQDN or YOUR name) []: |
| 19:05.13 | droopy | jelly: I am about to present the information requested, stand by |
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| 19:05.52 | droopy | jelly: http://codeshare.io/KOecA |
| 19:06.23 | greycat | Oh joy, another paste site that doesn't work in lynx. |
| 19:06.24 | jelly | droopy: which debian release is this? |
| 19:06.24 | droopy | YOUR name it the likely suspect |
| 19:06.25 | greycat | Why. Why. |
| 19:06.40 | droopy | jelly: That's jessie |
| 19:06.45 | droopy | Subversion unknown |
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| 19:07.02 | jelly | droopy: do you have a custom openssl binary in place? |
| 19:07.14 | droopy | jelly: Unknown; adopted web server |
| 19:07.27 | jelly | droopy: what does "dpkg -S $(which openssl)" say |
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| 19:08.29 | droopy | jelly: output of dpkg -S $(which openssl): "openssl: /usr/bin/openssl" |
| 19:09.08 | jelly | droopy: good. And "dpkg -l openssl|tail -1" |
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| 19:09.16 | Intoxx | Hi |
| 19:09.37 | droopy | jelly: output of dpkg -S $(which openssl) | tail -1: "openssl: /usr/bin/openssl" |
| 19:09.53 | greycat | -l not -S |
| 19:10.03 | Intoxx | I'm looking for a French teacher for a beginner in Linux (Debian Jessie ) |
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| 19:10.09 | jelly | droopy: please read my previous line carefully |
| 19:10.20 | droopy | jelly: output of dpkg -l $(which openssl) | tail -1: "No packages found matching /usr/bin/openssl." |
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| 19:10.27 | droopy | jelly: please excuse |
| 19:10.47 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:10.55 | jelly | waits |
| 19:11.03 | Intoxx | *wait |
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| 19:11.24 | cheater | droopy: it's -L |
| 19:11.30 | cheater | and -S |
| 19:11.39 | jelly | Intoxx: might want to try in the francophone channel |
| 19:11.41 | cheater | it's not -l |
| 19:11.41 | jelly | !fr |
| 19:11.41 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 19:11.49 | jelly | cheater: nope, it's -l |
| 19:11.51 | droopy | Je ne parle pas francais |
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| 19:12.03 | jelly | droopy: that was for Intoxx not you |
| 19:12.10 | greycat | droopy: dpkg -l openssl | tail -1 not dpkg -l $(which ...) |
| 19:12.45 | jelly | cheater: I want to see the package version, not the package contents |
| 19:13.07 | Intoxx | I'm looking for a French teacher for a beginner in Linux (Debian Jessie ) |
| 19:13.20 | droopy | jelly: output of 'dpkg -l openssh | tail -1' : 'ii openssl/0.9.8o-4squeeze13 /Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools' |
| 19:13.32 | droopy | Haha it's actually squeeze |
| 19:13.34 | droopy | ayy |
| 19:13.35 | jelly | droopy: that's Debian 6, QUITE a bit old |
| 19:13.45 | droopy | I know, I'm building a replacement website for a new server right now |
| 19:13.58 | droopy | But the ssl cert expired, got to fix it up to not expose CCs |
| 19:13.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell droopy about squeeze-lts |
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| 19:14.38 | EequalsMCsquared | Hi, if I change "jessie" to "testing" in my apt sources.list, and then do a simple "apt-get update && upgrade", will it just update any packages that have a higher version from testing? |
| 19:14.48 | droopy | jelly: is there any particular reason why squeeze doesn't prompt for common name? |
| 19:14.49 | Ivan__ | man debian wont recognize my thinkpad's trackpad and wifi feelsbadman |
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| 19:14.58 | jelly | droopy: but it does. |
| 19:15.07 | jelly | droopy: line 8 |
| 19:15.16 | somiaj | EequalsMCsquared: two things. 1) You don't want to mix testing/stable, so you will want to do a full apt-get dist-upgrade to be fully running testing when you are done. |
| 19:15.29 | somiaj | EequalsMCsquared: 2) You should use 'stretch' in your sources.list and not testing. |
| 19:15.37 | droopy | Phew! |
| 19:15.42 | somiaj | EequalsMCsquared: and 3) You should realy consider if you want to run testing and deal with its bugs. |
| 19:15.47 | droopy | jelly: looks like wash/rinse/repeat did the trick. Thanks! |
| 19:15.57 | droopy | jelly++ |
| 19:16.07 | jelly | droopy: you really should patch openssl and the rest of the system with squeeze-lts versions |
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| 19:17.03 | jelly | judd: versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 19:17.04 | judd | Package: libssl0.9.8 on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze21 |
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| 19:17.49 | droopy | jelly: Meh, a month from now the whole server will be gone |
| 19:17.57 | droopy | With a superior jessie build |
| 19:17.58 | EequalsMCsquared | somiaj: thank you, why should I use "stretch" and not "testing"? (I know they are both the same until stretch goes as stable in few years but what's the difference for now?) |
| 19:18.20 | jelly | droopy: at the very least upgrade libssl0.9.8 |
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| 19:18.40 | droopy | jelly: I am not familiar with that process |
| 19:18.42 | jelly | if you actually care about those CCs, that is |
| 19:18.55 | greycat | EequalsMCsquared: No difference now, but in a year you will forget. |
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| 19:19.49 | jelly | droopy: add squeeze-lts repo, run apt-get update, run apt-get install libssl0.9.8, restart services that use it (eg. apache) |
| 19:20.08 | somiaj | EequalsMCsquared: testing can be very broken right after the release and you don't want to unintentially upgrade. |
| 19:20.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell droopy about squeeze-lts |
| 19:20.26 | Dr_Manhattan | I would like to download the .deb file of an installed package. How do I do this with apt-get? It doesn't allow me to do "apt-get install -d foo" to download if the package is already installed |
| 19:20.44 | jelly | somiaj: and sometimes "six months" qualifies as "right after the release" ! |
| 19:21.06 | jelly | looks at the gcc5 transition |
| 19:23.29 | droopy | jelly: Can do - thanks! |
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| 19:24.29 | greycat | Dr_Manhattan: apt-get --reinstall --download-only install pkgname |
| 19:27.27 | jelly | Dr_Manhattan: apt in jessie also has "apt-get download ..." |
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| 19:27.38 | Dr_Manhattan | greycat: thank you sir |
| 19:27.58 | Dr_Manhattan | jelly: thank you as well |
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| 19:31.04 | porton | Is it dangerous (I am about data loss) to run desktop programs while `apt-get dist-upgrade` is running? |
| 19:31.10 | DammitJim | thanks for the help guys |
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| 19:33.44 | greycat | porton: Not dangerous to the desktop apps. It may cause weird problems for the dist-upgrade, in theory. It's best to do dist-upgrades while not logged into X, IMHO. |
| 19:35.02 | somiaj | porton: are you doing a dist-upgrade in stable, or actually changing from one distribution to another? |
| 19:35.19 | porton | somiaj: I do dist-upgrade in stretch |
| 19:35.50 | greycat | Then you should not be concerned about data loss, since this is by definition not a critical system. |
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| 19:36.24 | porton | greycat: however this "system" contains important scientific text and other important information |
| 19:36.32 | porton | *texts |
| 19:36.44 | somiaj | porton: for the most part you should be fine, but stretch can break things and cause data loss. That being said, just make sure you run the dist-upgrade in screen or a terminal (if your gui crashes during the upgrade and the upgrade doesn't complete you may be left in a broken state) |
| 19:36.46 | jelly | porton: the only apps Ive seen complain are kde apps and services when underlying libs are upgraded |
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| 19:37.19 | jelly | porton: however, if you're using stretch anything can break. Don't upgrade at all if you have to do work on this machine |
| 19:37.20 | porton | jelly: I use Kate and some other KDE apps a lot |
| 19:37.34 | somiaj | porton: and if you care about your data, standard advise is it is lost unless you have it backuped on three different mediums (some even prefer one to be off location so fire or destruction of the location of the data won't loose it) |
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| 19:40.47 | hassoon | somiaj: l-mao |
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| 19:52.59 | EequalsMCsquared | somiaj: would you suggest doing a dist-upgrade from stable to stretch or doing a clean install of stretch? |
| 19:53.52 | somiaj | EequalsMCsquared: the stuggested method to installing stretch is to install stable then dist-upgrade. That being said the less packages you have to upgrade the less likely you are to run into an upgrade bug. |
| 19:54.14 | somiaj | EequalsMCsquared: so a clean install of stretch is to install a jessie minimial system, upgrade that, then isntall the rest of your packages. |
| 19:54.14 | EequalsMCsquared | got it, thank you |
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| 19:54.39 | EequalsMCsquared | alright |
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| 19:55.10 | greycat | This will continue to be the case until stretch starts getting close to release, at which point there will be debian-installer (d-i) images of stretch for testing. |
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| 19:55.44 | greycat | s/for testing/to test/ |
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| 19:57.02 | EequalsMCsquared | greycat: aren't they already? https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:57.09 | EequalsMCsquared | its alpha though |
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| 19:57.28 | jelly | EequalsMCsquared: that's an alpha of installer code itself |
| 19:57.55 | greycat | Depends on how eager you are to test code. |
| 19:58.30 | somiaj | Though a week or so ago, I belive the installer was broken. Unsure if that has been fixed or not. |
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| 20:10.24 | hewlck | hello friends |
| 20:11.16 | hewlck | debian 8 not combatible onboard gpu nvidia n630a n7025 |
| 20:11.21 | hewlck | ? |
| 20:12.02 | jelly | hewlck: what does "lspci -nn|grep VGA" say for that card? |
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| 20:13.30 | hewlck | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] [10de:03d6] (rev a2) |
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| 20:16.09 | somiaj | GeForce 7025? I don't seem to recongize that card. |
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| 20:18.28 | hewlck | exactly how debian installed 304,125 nvidia driver , mainly seemed q has no self installable and when we took the driver nouveau the environment does not start , |
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| 20:20.09 | jelly | hewlck: that sounds like an oldish card. How does nouveau fail for you? |
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| 20:20.43 | blind | Indeed it's an old card.. I found it on nvidia's website, under "Legacy" |
| 20:21.04 | greycat | ,pci-id 10de:03d6 |
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| 20:21.06 | judd | [10de:03d6] is 'C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:03d6 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 20:21.07 | kristijonas | The system-wide forwarding to a SOCKS proxy, how to do it on Debian Jessie? |
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| 20:21.43 | hewlck | ouveau only supports 1024x768 and my monitor is full 16: 9 1920x1080 and does not open the maximum resolution , does the xrandr command to solve |
| 20:22.02 | hewlck | my sistem debian 8 |
| 20:22.13 | hewlck | system \°°/ |
| 20:23.15 | jelly | let's see what nvidia-detect says about 10de:03d6 |
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| 20:23.53 | jelly | "Your card is only supported up to the 304 legacy drivers series. It is recommended to install the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver" |
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| 20:24.57 | hewlck | Thanks jelly , I will download and install this version |
| 20:25.14 | hewlck | reboot now |
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| 20:26.30 | jelly | hew... eh |
| 20:26.52 | greycat | If he has to reboot to join IRC it's gonna be a long night. |
| 20:26.55 | jelly | serves me right for trying to teach an old bot new factoids, first |
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| 20:27.24 | uban | hello guys i installed debian and im pretty new but it didnt recognize my driver |
| 20:27.25 | uban | what do i do |
| 20:27.33 | uban | wifi driver * |
| 20:28.00 | somiaj | uban: most likley you are missing the non-free firmware. |
| 20:28.12 | somiaj | uban: what wifi card do you have (look at the output of lspci) |
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| 20:29.18 | uban | im using |
| 20:29.34 | uban | somiaj intel corporation 82801I |
| 20:30.01 | uban | nvm |
| 20:30.08 | uban | somiaj wireless 5100 agn |
| 20:30.19 | jelly | !iwlwifi |
| 20:30.20 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
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| 20:30.28 | somiaj | uban: you need the package firmware-iwlwifi from non-free. |
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| 20:33.13 | TheWarden | Hi, does anyone know by chance how one can clear the console after the initial boot of the system automatically of course? One use to do this in the /etc/inittab removing --noclear |
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| 20:33.34 | TheWarden | I want to do this on Debian Jessie. |
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| 20:33.44 | greycat | TheWarden: --noclear is NOT in the default inittab. And Jessie doesn't use inittab anyway. |
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| 20:34.11 | jelly | TheWarden: doesn't systemd do that by default |
| 20:34.20 | greycat | The default Wheezy or Jessie setup clears the console at boot, and you have to modify things to get it NOT to clear. |
| 20:34.36 | greycat | It is in fact nontrivial to get it NOT to clear under systemd (jessie). I have a wiki page telling how. |
| 20:34.43 | TheWarden | greycat: really mmm odd. Yes I'm aware of that. |
| 20:34.58 | TheWarden | jelly: mmm verifiying |
| 20:35.28 | jelly | what do you mean you asked before making sure your question made sense? |
| 20:35.39 | TheWarden | greycat: ok... I would be curious to see that wiki entry if you don't mind just for knowledge. |
| 20:35.53 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SystemdNoClear |
| 20:36.06 | TheWarden | jelly: I was going through lists of things I need to do and yeah sorry brain stopped to think for a moment. |
| 20:36.22 | TheWarden | greycat: thanks |
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| 21:21.21 | DomiX | hi, does someone use icinga2 from debmon repository package ? |
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| 21:25.06 | Penorsaurus | i'm using XVFB, but whenevrr I load flash, it comes up as a white box. |
| 21:25.10 | Penorsaurus | the flash doesn't actually load. |
| 21:25.12 | Penorsaurus | any ideas? |
| 21:25.25 | Putti | DomiX, Hi! I don't use it but maybe I can help you/answer you question even without having it? :-) |
| 21:26.48 | DomiX | ok, I saw a new package pnp4nagios but it's for icinga1, my question is not technical, why pnp4nagios can not be installed with icinga2 ? :( |
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| 21:31.26 | laidback_01 | DomiX, because Icinga1 is a very close fork/clone of Nagios, whereas Icinga2 is something of a rewrite - very different indeed. It's possible that they tried to keep backward compat, I don't know, just reading shows that Icinga2 is much more divergent from Nagios than Icinga1 is. |
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| 21:33.13 | DomiX | yes indeed, my aim is to graph information, warning etc |
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| 21:34.25 | crsuarez | Hi @here. who could help me with this? is not working https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=74823&sid=4b64352fc9a854930eb190decdc9be48 |
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| 21:51.12 | donofrio | hey all, need some help/advice, I'd like to export the apt-get/dpkg list, remove the i686 or x86 from the list and be able to import the list into a powerpc debian7 build? |
| 21:51.29 | greycat | It might require some hand-editing. |
| 21:52.03 | greycat | But certainly you can start with dpkg --get-selections and remove anything with 86 or amd64 or similar in the name. |
| 21:52.54 | donofrio | greycat: ok I'll try but last time it didn't work right or something.... |
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| 21:53.22 | abrotman | or something? |
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| 21:53.32 | greycat | What specifically broke? |
| 21:53.41 | donofrio | say why doesn't "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y && apt-get autoremove -y && apt-get autoclean -y && sync && sync" not to to much on a dvd build of debian 7.5 |
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| 21:54.30 | greycat | what the hell is a "dvd build" and why are you running sync multiple times? |
| 21:54.49 | donofrio | greycat: never can be too such when flushing buffers :) |
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| 21:55.44 | greycat | Does your "dvd build" have a proper sources.list pointing to the Debian HTTP sites? |
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| 21:56.08 | donofrio | think so....let me see... |
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| 21:59.35 | donofrio | greycat: http://apaste.info/9YG |
| 22:00.19 | greycat | Looks OK. I'd comment out that "deb cdrom" line unless you typically leave the DVD in the drive. |
| 22:00.45 | axc1298 | i don't think you need to run both apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 22:00.52 | axc1298 | i'd pick one or the other |
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| 22:02.00 | jhutchins | axc1298: There is sometimes an advantage to doing it in stages. If nothing else, it's easier to see what dist- is doing that the other is not. |
| 22:02.30 | greycat | If it's just wheezy->wheezy the dist-upgrade should almost never do anything. |
| 22:02.58 | donofrio | axc1298: one does small upgrade, other is a full distro upgrade (different packages seem to be selected each run hech why I run both) |
| 22:03.08 | jhutchins | donofrio: You're likely to have some different software packages between ppc and i686. |
| 22:03.14 | donofrio | yah ok... |
| 22:03.47 | greycat | Ones you for sure need to look at are linux* and grub* |
| 22:03.47 | axc1298 | donofrio: really? you shouldn't see any different packages between the two unless it's a upgrade between releases like greycat said. |
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| 22:04.09 | jhutchins | axc1298: I would think that there would be some ppc specific programs. |
| 22:04.36 | greycat | Hopefully those were installed with the system and don't need to be represented in the imported list from the i386/amd64 box. |
| 22:04.49 | jhutchins | axc1298: Debian was being actively developed for the ppc platform, not just blindly recompiled. |
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| 22:05.23 | jhutchins | Not to hard to deal with, might need --skip-missing or --ignore-broken or whatever. |
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| 22:07.00 | donofrio | jhutchins: yah I'l looking though the get-selections http://apaste.info/TWL and will dump ppc next |
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| 22:08.34 | axc1298 | jhutchins: makes sense |
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| 22:09.30 | donofrio | greycat: powerpc dump http://apaste.info/IXl |
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| 22:13.27 | daoenix | Hi folks -- Got a quick question, I have a fresh installed Debian 8 dedi. I logged in as root, without issue; and seconds later, I was dropped. Attempting to reconnect, it would appear as though the service is not running. It states connection refused. Checking netstat, I show the service running on port 22; along with that ssh root@localhost works too. |
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| 22:15.36 | ntz | hello |
| 22:16.18 | ntz | I have just rather common debian question ... how do I check in what kernel version was (if it was) adopted this patch https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/5/9/517 ? |
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| 22:18.00 | abrotman | ntz: upstream or Debian version? |
| 22:18.37 | ntz | ideally debian |
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| 22:18.52 | ntz | but I doubt that it's adopted in 7.8 |
| 22:19.02 | ntz | sorry 8.x .. I live in past |
| 22:19.32 | DrManhattan_ | I would like to turn my install into a bootable cd/usb. This used to be REALLY easy to do in debian. I cannot find a howto anywhere now. Can anyone show me where I can find the manual for this task? |
| 22:19.43 | abrotman | ntz: can you verify it's there today with the source package? |
| 22:19.53 | abrotman | DrManhattan_: the bootcd package? |
| 22:20.02 | DrManhattan_ | abrotman: yes sir. |
| 22:20.09 | abrotman | that still exists, no? |
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| 22:20.40 | abrotman | judd: versions bootcd |
| 22:20.41 | judd | Package: bootcd on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.23; wheezy: 3.28; jessie: 4.05; stretch: 5.00; sid: 5.00 |
| 22:20.42 | DrManhattan_ | abrotman: thank you very much sir |
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| 22:37.29 | daoenix | Hi folks -- Got a quick question, I have a fresh installed Debian 8 dedi. I logged in as root, without issue; and seconds later, I was dropped. Attempting to reconnect, it would appear as though the service is not running. It states connection refused. Checking netstat, I show the service running on port 22; along with that ssh root@localhost works too. |
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| 23:00.47 | donofrio | greycat: ;( http://apaste.info/LFQ |
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| 23:03.14 | jordanm | donofrio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/1232661 |
| 23:03.58 | dutchfish | daoenix, i had simular ones, that turned out to be my firewall, not handling ipv6 and ipv4 correctly for a sustained connection over ssh. Also a timeout for inactivity is a possibility. |
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| 23:04.57 | donofrio | jordanm: no dselect ....as root |
| 23:05.13 | dutchfish | daoenix, one other option might be that the debian system has multiple adapters and routing path's exist for more then one. |
| 23:05.52 | dutchfish | daoenix, check your interfaces and routing on the Debian box. Also the logs. |
| 23:06.28 | jordanm | donofrio: you are using a feature that is not useful without dselect |
| 23:06.58 | donofrio | jordanm: I dunno I'd just like to get the same - or as close to same as I get on i386 on powerpc..... |
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| 23:11.20 | dahui | hi all.. just install bumblebee on debian 8.2 using the wiki doc.. i already change kernel-diver to: nvidia-current but getting the : [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver |
| 23:11.24 | dahui | any sugestions?? |
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| 23:20.01 | teraflops | dahui: using nvidia not nouveau, right? |
| 23:20.44 | dahui | teraflops: yep.. i set Driver=nvidia |
| 23:21.09 | dahui | and Kernel-Driver=nvidia-current |
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| 23:22.11 | teraflops | dahui: hmm, is the nvidia driver out of sync with your kernel version? |
| 23:23.05 | teraflops | dahui: what happens if you load the nvidia module by hand in a terminal? what's the output? |
| 23:23.15 | dahui | teraflops: i don't know.. i just install like wiki said.. i didn't make any thing else |
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| 23:23.38 | dahui | teraflops: like modprobe nvidia-current ??? |
| 23:23.47 | teraflops | yes |
| 23:24.22 | dahui | modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:816 kmod_module_insert_module() could not find module by name='nvidia_current' |
| 23:24.25 | dahui | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_current': Function not implemented |
| 23:24.38 | teraflops | dahui: what I say is that perhaps you need to apt-get upgrade because your kernel does not fit with your nvidia module |
| 23:25.20 | teraflops | dahui: and the reboot obv |
| 23:25.25 | teraflops | then* |
| 23:25.41 | dahui | upgrading now |
| 23:26.06 | dahui | i never had problems with bumblebee on debian :D |
| 23:26.20 | dahui | i don't remember what i'm missing |
| 23:26.55 | dahui | i will reboot just a minute |
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| 23:29.12 | dahui | still problem =( |
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| 23:32.10 | dimitry7 | Hi guys! I have a server that hast 4 interfaces, only 2 are active, one for LAN and the other for an internet link |
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| 23:33.30 | dimitry7 | eth0 and eth1 respectively, now, eth2 has another IP (failover link), it so happens that my LAN server IP: 1.254 gets cloned |
| 23:33.56 | dimitry7 | I get the mac that has it cloned and see it is eth2, I changed the failover link to eth3 and the same thing happens |
| 23:34.11 | dimitry7 | i need to bring down the interfaces to get my IP uncloned |
| 23:34.12 | dimitry7 | :S |
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| 23:44.38 | dahui | still getting problems with bumblebee... anyone had problems afet upgrade of kernel to 4.2 ??? |
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| 23:47.44 | Brigo | dahui, what problems? |
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| 23:49.17 | dahui | Brigo: [ 574.106231] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver |
| 23:49.35 | dahui | i already set the KernelDriver=nvidia-current and Driver=nvidia |
| 23:49.41 | dahui | but no success |
| 23:50.04 | dahui | man I NEVER.. EVER will buy again this OPTIMUS technology shit |
| 23:50.31 | leolrrj | I have a server intel 64 bit... what means the AMD64 architecture? it's not supposed to be installed in an intel? (sorry for the stupid question, I just don't understand) |
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| 23:50.58 | fishbulb | is ubuntu debian based? |
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| 23:51.24 | teraflops | dahui: so you updated the kernel |
| 23:51.45 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: yes. see "/msg dpkg ubuntu" for more details. |
| 23:51.52 | fishbulb | I used kali 2.0, and that detected literally EVERYTHING. |
| 23:52.00 | fishbulb | all the buttons and hardware works perfectly |
| 23:52.03 | dahui | teraflops: i really didn't see this happen.. i think it updated on apt-get upgrade's command... |
| 23:52.15 | dahui | teraflops: i just see now on uname-a and the kernel was changed |
| 23:52.25 | fishbulb | except kali uses gnome |
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| 23:52.46 | leolrrj | what debian 8 jessie should I install in an Intel 64 bits server? |
| 23:52.48 | axc1298 | fishbulb: debian's default environment is gnome too |
| 23:52.58 | teraflops | dahui: but it didnt work with previous kernel? |
| 23:53.09 | fishbulb | is there a kde version and does it work as well? |
| 23:53.23 | axc1298 | version of what |
| 23:53.29 | fishbulb | debian. |
| 23:53.35 | dahui | teraflops: thats what i can confirm.. because i didn't see the 'uname -a' command output when i try on first time... i think it was already updated |
| 23:53.36 | teraflops | leolrrj: ? |
| 23:53.51 | dahui | *can't confirm |
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| 23:54.00 | teraflops | dahui: then take a look at the logs |
| 23:54.05 | leolrrj | teraflops: can I use the amd64 architecture? I don't know if it's supposed to be installed in an intel 64... I'm just confused about what this AMD64 means... |
| 23:54.06 | axc1298 | fishbulb: yes of course there is KDE |
| 23:54.24 | babilen | leolrrj: amd64 |
| 23:54.26 | fishbulb | if all the stuff detected in gnome, will it work in KDE? |
| 23:54.31 | leolrrj | babilen: thank you |
| 23:54.31 | teraflops | dahui: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:54.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell leolrrj -about why amd64 |
| 23:54.39 | axc1298 | fishbulb: that has nothing to do with gnome |
| 23:55.06 | axc1298 | you also used kali, not pure debian, so i don't know what else was included |
| 23:55.20 | fishbulb | manjaro is supposed to be "bleeding edge" and none of the tablet function buttons, middle scroll button and some of the buttons and lights on the keyboard worked |
| 23:55.38 | Brigo | dahui, did you check the debian wiki about bumblebee? |
| 23:55.45 | fishbulb | I said kali worked perfectly out of the box |
| 23:56.07 | teraflops | fishbulb: neither manjaro nor arch are bleeding edge |
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| 23:56.47 | fishbulb | every writeup of every distro always says it's the best and most current/stable whatever, kali didn't say any of that shit, and literally everything worked perfectly for the first time ever |
| 23:57.16 | bazhang | whats the debian offtopic channel please |
| 23:57.29 | Brigo | bazhang, #debian-offtopic |
| 23:57.31 | mtn | teraflops, what does bleeding edge mean to you? |
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| 23:57.35 | bazhang | cheers |
| 23:57.38 | teraflops | mtn: git |
| 23:57.51 | mtn | teraflops, never heard of that distro |
| 23:57.55 | Brigo | teraflops, XDD |
| 23:57.56 | dahui | Brigo: yep.. i mane exacly what it said |
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| 23:58.21 | leolrrj | babilen: dpkg: cool stuff.. |
| 23:58.26 | fishbulb | I'm wondering if debian KDE will detect everything perfectly like kali 2.0 did |
| 23:58.30 | teraflops | mtn: bad joke, you didnt ask for a distro |
| 23:58.33 | leolrrj | babilen: and how can I mount a flashdrive? what link I need to download? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ ? there's a lot of files here and folders too |
| 23:58.58 | teraflops | mtn: go ask arch devels if archinux is bleeding edge |
| 23:59.18 | mtn | teraflops, which is why I asked what you thought it meant. |
| 23:59.36 | leolrrj | what's the difference between the gtk inside the hd-media folder? |
| 23:59.44 | teraflops | mtn: are you traying to tell me that im wrong? |
