| 00:00.13 | mtn | teraflops, nope, just defining terms. people throw them around and they don't mean the same to others. |
| 00:00.39 | teraflops | mtn: well, archlinux is not bleeding edge. |
| 00:00.49 | fishbulb | I think the amount of bickering and bitching says a lot about the distro |
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| 00:01.10 | mtn | teraflops, I see you have no idea what defining terms means. |
| 00:01.26 | axc1298 | fishbulb: i think you don't know what a DE is, and should do more reading |
| 00:01.27 | teraflops | mtn: i don t care about what you see |
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| 00:01.55 | fishbulb | axc1298: I think I'll ignore what you say from now on |
| 00:01.56 | mtn | teraflops, I don't care that you don't care :P |
| 00:02.14 | axc1298 | fishbulb: nothing of value lost |
| 00:02.27 | teraflops | mtn: fair enough then stop quiting me |
| 00:02.32 | teraflops | quoting* |
| 00:03.08 | axc1298 | fishbulb: asking if KDE vs Kali will have any effect on a distro working out of the box is the wrong question to be asking, and shows you don't know what you're talking about |
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| 00:03.34 | fishbulb | I said debian jessie kde vs kali 2.0 |
| 00:03.48 | leolrrj | what means the netmedia? |
| 00:03.49 | axc1298 | fishbulb: that doesn't make sense. one is a desktop environment and the other is a linux distribution |
| 00:03.59 | axc1298 | again, go read |
| 00:04.27 | fishbulb | ok how about this. will debian jessie work as well as kali 2.0 does |
| 00:04.31 | leolrrj | what means the netboot* image |
| 00:04.33 | js | Hi. I'm trying to install Debian on an officially unsupported MIPS-based board. So obviously I can't use the installer. I already built u-boot and my kernel and I'm wondering if there's a way to bootstrap debian without the installer? |
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| 00:04.43 | fishbulb | kali detected literally every single piece of hardware right out of the "box" |
| 00:04.54 | axc1298 | fishbulb: kali is debian based. again, dumb question |
| 00:04.56 | fishbulb | even the screen rotation buttons work in tablet mode |
| 00:05.10 | axc1298 | it bundles firmware probably |
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| 00:07.13 | fishbulb | which kde does debian jessie use? |
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| 00:08.42 | teraflops | mtn: well to be fair do yourself a favour and do some trivial research about bleeding edge package versions as in e.g exherbo or gentoo ebuilds and stop being an ignorant talking about bleeding edge distros |
| 00:08.51 | teraflops | oh :S |
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| 00:20.48 | cybernaut | https://www.gentoo.org/ |
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| 00:24.08 | heap_ | hi, is there any tool simillar like cfdisk where i can create gpt not mbr on drive? |
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| 00:25.22 | somiaj | heap_: parted is the cli tool I know of. But it doesn't have a nice curses interface like dfdisk and I haven't seen one that does. |
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| 00:26.05 | somiaj | google suggestes there is cgdisk, but it is not in debian as far as I can tell |
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| 00:29.27 | heap_ | i found gdisk but no idea how to create partition |
| 00:30.13 | jordanm | heap_: use parted |
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| 00:30.19 | heap_ | dont have gui |
| 00:30.25 | jordanm | parted is not a GUI |
| 00:30.29 | somiaj | heap_: parted is a cli tool (you are thinking gparted) |
| 00:30.33 | jordanm | gparted is a GUI front-end to parted |
| 00:31.23 | heap_ | done |
| 00:31.25 | jordanm | "mklabel gpt" to create a gpt table with parted |
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| 00:33.03 | heap_ | they forgot to add write command into howto as part of the gdisk tool .. :) |
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| 00:35.23 | heap_ | thanks |
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| 00:48.36 | heap_ | is there any efficient way how to easily remove data and corrupt fs that recovery will require really specialist with tools etc |
| 00:49.27 | silverhom | i guess you can use DD to destory a drive |
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| 00:49.53 | heap_ | silverhom: will protect against of data recovery? |
| 00:50.15 | silverhom | well it writes random things onto the whole drive |
| 00:50.24 | heap_ | silverhom: what do you mean by destroy?:) i just dont wanna to be data easily recoverable |
| 00:50.33 | heap_ | but u have apps like wipe |
| 00:50.42 | heap_ | they do remove / rewrite in few cycles |
| 00:50.49 | silverhom | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29 |
| 00:51.09 | heap_ | i know what dd is |
| 00:51.14 | silverhom | ah nvm then lol |
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| 00:52.01 | heap_ | hm |
| 00:52.06 | silverhom | i know when encrypting the drives it zero out the drive but not sure what tool it uses then |
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| 00:53.26 | heap_ | ;/ |
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| 00:54.09 | silverhom | but yeah "disk wipe" section on wikipedia DD |
| 00:54.26 | silverhom | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=4k |
| 00:54.29 | silverhom | or urandom |
| 00:54.44 | silverhom | i guess if you do that a couple of times it will be hard to recover data |
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| 00:55.13 | heap_ | question is how easy it can be recovered |
| 00:55.28 | silverhom | not easy i would guess |
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| 00:56.17 | silverhom | like if you write random data to it then zero it |
| 00:56.31 | silverhom | i would guess thats pretty good but i have never tried it myself so i dont really know |
| 00:56.54 | batfastad | Hi everyone. Running Debian old testing as a KVM host. Just wondering, is it possible to bond 4 host nics together to then be main interface in a bridge? |
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| 00:57.33 | batfastad | I'm assuming it is but I'm really not from a Debian background so the /etc/network/interfaces syntax is confusing. |
| 00:57.49 | heap_ | silverhom: ok |
| 00:57.54 | silverhom | heap_, does apparently exist 2 programs called shred and wipe |
| 00:57.58 | silverhom | too idk never used those |
| 00:57.59 | Moonlight-Angel | Hello, I'm running a Debian server that is currently under syn-flood attack. The load on htop seems fine (0.20 average), I can ping the server and it responds immediately. However, the website is still unreachable. Is it related to the attack taking up all the bandwidth or is there something else I'm missing ? |
| 00:58.22 | silverhom | :C |
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| 01:07.19 | xemacs | silverhom: dban is availble as iso and works better ! |
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| 01:13.58 | silverhom | xemacs, i see thanks for the info |
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| 01:20.08 | leolrrj | If I want to install the debian from an USB Hd, how can I do that? we have 3 dvds isos.. should I copy just the first one? |
| 01:20.15 | leolrrj | I can't do the netinstall |
| 01:20.26 | somiaj | leolrrj: do you care about the data on the usb hd? |
| 01:20.32 | leolrrj | somiaj: no... |
| 01:20.43 | somiaj | leolrrj: what os are you using to make the image from? |
| 01:20.49 | leolrrj | somiaj: OSX |
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| 01:21.07 | somiaj | leolrrj: I'm not sure on the details on osX, but you just need to copy the .iso directly onto the usb device |
| 01:21.22 | leolrrj | like extract the .iso to the USB? |
| 01:21.24 | somiaj | leolrrj: in linux, if the usb device was /dev/sdb run 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdb' |
| 01:21.37 | somiaj | leolrrj: no not extract, do a direct copy onto the device (not the file system) |
| 01:21.41 | leolrrj | oh ok |
| 01:21.48 | leolrrj | somiaj: and what about the dvd 2 and dvd 3? |
| 01:21.53 | somiaj | leolrrj: the .iso contains a partition table and booting inf. And that command will destory everything on the disk |
| 01:21.58 | somiaj | leolrrj: only disk 1 is bootable |
| 01:22.20 | leolrrj | somiaj: but the disk 1 has all the components that I need to install |
| 01:22.21 | leolrrj | ? |
| 01:22.35 | somiaj | leolrrj: after that is done you can use a partition table editor and make a second parititon on the usb hd. Just copy the .iso's over there, if you need packages from them you can use mount -o loop to mount them and scan them (I would worry about htis after the install) |
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| 01:22.42 | somiaj | leolrrj: it should have a full desktop as well too. |
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| 01:23.33 | Lionyx | anybody at all using i3 window manager? just installed it. Odd stuff =D |
| 01:23.37 | leolrrj | somiaj: cool.. the thing copying the iso to the usb, is that I need to make the usb bootable right? |
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| 01:24.03 | somiaj | leolrrj: correct, the debian iso for dvd1 is already bootable. You just need to do a direct copy of the image onto the device |
| 01:24.43 | leolrrj | somiaj: Ok I will give a shot |
| 01:24.49 | somiaj | Lionyx: you'll find various people around here using different simple window managers. But if you have a question, yo ushould just ask the question. |
| 01:24.50 | leolrrj | somiaj: thank you my friend you are awesome! |
| 01:25.32 | Lionyx | no questions, just wondering. tks somiaj |
| 01:25.40 | leolrrj | somiaj: do you know the lighter desktop that I can install? It's for a server, I'm used to do everything in ssh, but the administrator does not like it... he needs a graphical desktop... what do you suggest me to install in the server after the installation finishes? |
| 01:26.31 | somiaj | leolrrj: debian gives you the choice of various desktops. assuming gnome3/kde are the heaveist, on the light side the is lxde and xfce4. There is also mate (gnome2 fork) and cinnimon (gnome-shell fork) available. |
| 01:26.49 | leolrrj | wow... a lot of chois heh |
| 01:26.51 | somiaj | leolrrj: the installer should give you the choice of which one you install at the end, and I belive everythign should be on the first dvd. |
| 01:26.52 | leolrrj | choices* |
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| 01:27.07 | somiaj | there are also 10+ window managers to choose from. (: |
| 01:27.56 | awal1 | leolrrj: leolrrj: I suggest you something more lighter, a WM (window manager) such as openbox, it's the most stable in my point of view |
| 01:28.25 | awal1 | or fluxbox... |
| 01:28.26 | somiaj | leolrrj: lxde is probabaly the lightest of the desktops until you drop down to wm. But we can only guess what sort of features your collegue needs |
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| 01:29.02 | Lionyx | somiaj: think my bobbling just helped a guy :). leolrrj, may I intromit? xfce is the best light one (IMHO) very compatible with most of gnom(ish) and kde(sh). But there are tonnsss of those lighter stuff, mostly don't even have it's on network configuration tool. I'd defintly start with xfce4 =D |
| 01:29.29 | awal1 | something more complete, xfce, no doubt, light and very stable |
| 01:29.52 | awal1 | xfce4 + xfce4-goodies |
| 01:30.51 | leolrrj | thank you all guys |
| 01:30.59 | leolrrj | I will try this one |
| 01:31.11 | leolrrj | the xfce is already prepared for remote desktop connections or I need to install a vnc server? |
| 01:31.26 | leolrrj | you are awesome by the way |
| 01:31.38 | somiaj | you will have to install a vnc server. I think debian has a choice of 2 or 3 |
| 01:32.45 | leolrrj | ok |
| 01:33.01 | leolrrj | no big deal I think I can handle it |
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| 01:34.36 | Lionyx | leolrrj: I use vnc4server to this task. Very cool thing! :D |
| 01:34.45 | Lionyx | see you guys! bye! |
| 01:35.09 | leolrrj | Lionyx: and it works with xfce? |
| 01:35.38 | Lionyx | leolrrj: totally! it starts it's on X display. works with any X manager. |
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| 01:38.27 | ToTheInternet | hi. what can i do when an install of a package simply doesn't work, but apt tries to do it everytime i install something else? i want to tell it to just forget about that package and remove it |
| 01:38.34 | ToTheInternet | apt-get purge doesn't work |
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| 01:39.44 | ToTheInternet | it's a broken install that is keeping me from using my system the way i'd want to, because it tries to complete the install everytime i install something else (and then it hangs for 15 minutes before quitting with a time out) |
| 01:40.00 | somiaj | !bat |
| 01:40.01 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 01:40.40 | ToTheInternet | dpkg localized errors |
| 01:40.41 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 01:44.42 | awal1 | ToTheInternet: your sources list file point to stable/jessie or is mixed with other debian branchs? |
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| 01:47.25 | leolrrj | hey gurus, do you know if the bnx2 firmware (file bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw) is inside the DVD-1 Installation .ISO? |
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| 01:48.11 | somiaj | leolrrj: no non-free firmware will be included on the dvd's |
| 01:48.24 | somiaj | leolrrj: the only way to do non-free firmware is with the unoffical firmware netinstall image |
| 01:48.46 | somiaj | leolrrj: you can supply the firmware on another paritition as per the install guide to use with the installer though |
| 01:48.51 | somiaj | well another disk |
| 01:49.33 | awal1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 01:50.00 | ToTheInternet | awal1: it is mixed. please don't tell me now you don't support frankendebian |
| 01:50.46 | leolrrj | awal1: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.2.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-xfce-desktop+nonfree.iso |
| 01:50.50 | leolrrj | should I be fine with this iso? |
| 01:50.57 | awal1 | ToTheInternet: debian doesn't support frankendebian, not me :P |
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| 01:52.30 | ToTheInternet | awal1: anyway, there must be a way to tell apt to just forget about this package and move on |
| 01:52.58 | ToTheInternet | pasting the output soon. i have to wait 15 minutes for the english output... |
| 01:54.11 | awal1 | unofficial includes non-free firmwares but i dont know which ones exactly. there is debian cd channel, it may be more helpful, leolrrj |
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| 01:56.38 | awal1 | leolrrj: try using a standard unofficial iso image, not the live one... |
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| 01:57.52 | awal1 | the live one installer fails sometimes |
| 01:57.54 | somiaj | leolrrj: the live images have a different installer. I too would suggest just using the offical installer, but the live image would work provided you don't want to boot using efi. |
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| 02:00.26 | awal1 | ToTheInternet: without a paste we cant understand what you are talking about |
| 02:01.00 | awal1 | probably you have a dependency issues...caused by mixing repos... |
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| 02:07.39 | t4nk349 | anyone using debian testing? It seems that the info node for magit doesn't work, when I clicked on the info node for magit , I got a message saying "can't find magit.info-1" |
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| 02:10.59 | awal1 | t4nk349: testing ==> debian-next channell |
| 02:11.12 | t4nk349 | I am using magit: 2.3.1-1 on emacs 24.5 |
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| 02:12.50 | mathu | i have a network where only one box has internet access. i need to get apt to work on one of the boxes without internet access. i have tried adding `Acquire::socks::proxy "socks5://server:port";` to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/12proxyconf and setting up a socks proxy to the machine that has internet access, but it doesn't work. any other ideas? |
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| 02:17.52 | mathu | or, any apt-experts know how i could get binaries for python3 and all it's deps from an internet box to get them on the internetless box? |
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| 02:22.10 | SirLagz | mathu: apt-get download, then copy from wherever you downloaded them to |
| 02:22.37 | SirLagz | mathu: default is to download to current directory |
| 02:23.38 | SirLagz | mathu: actually sorry, that will only download that single package |
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| 02:24.14 | SirLagz | mathu: apt-get -d install python3, then grab them from /var/cache/apt |
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| 02:26.17 | isReKT2000 | It's weird that Gnome takes 2 GB... |
| 02:26.30 | isReKT2000 | But it isn't. |
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| 02:28.10 | isReKT2000 | Also, a problem. |
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| 02:28.38 | ToTheInternet | dpkg debian-next |
| 02:28.38 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:28.45 | isReKT2000 | I have a VPS, and I decided to install quassel, x11, and Gnome. |
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| 02:29.36 | somiaj | mathu: you could also look at apt-cacher (I think that will work) |
| 02:30.01 | isReKT2000 | Wait, ssh. lol |
| 02:30.13 | isReKT2000 | I'm so stupid |
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| 02:33.11 | ToTheInternet | awal1 this is the output, together with apt-cache policy: http://paste2.org/n4yVzDNB |
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| 02:42.11 | isReKT2000 | I can't make a VNC :P |
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| 02:54.28 | afidegnum | hello, i am have installed transmission-cli but when i try launching it, i have a Connection refused error on localhost:9001 |
| 02:54.37 | afidegnum | please how do I fix it ? |
| 02:56.26 | somiaj | install tranmission-daemon |
| 02:56.37 | somiaj | or try to connect to another server (not localhost |
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| 03:03.31 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 03:04.21 | afidegnum | somiaj: please what's the tutorial for transmission-daemon |
| 03:04.30 | afidegnum | so I Can use it to add torrnet? |
| 03:04.43 | somiaj | I don't know, I don't use torrents. |
| 03:05.37 | somiaj | You probabaly don't need the daemon, but you need to tell the cli to connect to another server. I think if you read the man page you just need to provide it the .torrent file, but not positive |
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| 03:19.44 | mathu | SirLagz: somiaj got it, thank you! |
| 03:20.14 | anunnaki | hi, i know this isnt exactly the right channel to ask in.. but im having an issue with my samba share in raspbian which i just upgraded to jessie from wheezy. my win10 showed the share and the pi's hostname prior to the upgrade, but after the upgrade it wont show. |
| 03:20.45 | anunnaki | i googled it but only got threads on debian users having issues with systemd and samba share not showing up in win10.. not many raspbian threads tho |
| 03:21.50 | SirLagz | mathu: no problems |
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| 03:56.28 | oracle | Someone told me debian had a kid named ubuntu |
| 03:56.30 | oracle | is this true? |
| 03:57.01 | somiaj | !ubuntu |
| 03:57.01 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 03:57.21 | oracle | I love being informed |
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| 03:59.14 | dvs | more of a bastard son... |
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| 04:08.34 | cybernaut | I'm a little puzzled gcc is installed but the g++ link or what have ya doesn't exist so programs that rely on g++ (link or what have you) barf. Suggestions interesting anecodotes? |
| 04:09.03 | dvs | ,v gcc-g++ |
| 04:09.04 | judd | No package named 'gcc-g++' was found in amd64. |
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| 04:10.54 | polyphagia | is $HOME in POSIX? |
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| 04:11.31 | dvs | ,v g++ |
| 04:11.33 | judd | Package: g++ on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:5.2.1-4; stretch: 4:5.2.1-4 |
| 04:14.10 | cybernaut | hmmm weird why wasn't it installed with gcc (confused look) Ok so it's installed as a seperate package (and a pain to search for in apper) :D |
| 04:16.04 | cybernaut | thanks dvs |
| 04:16.10 | dvs | np |
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| 04:45.17 | polyphagia | kk thanks phy1729 looks good |
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| 04:49.21 | beepie | !crap |
| 04:49.21 | dpkg | i guess crap is if its not crap, its hilarious |
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| 04:58.54 | bodhi_zazen | Is there a channel for packaging questions? |
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| 05:01.22 | polyphagia | bodhi_zazen: #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 05:02.26 | bodhi_zazen | -mentors is invite only =( |
| 05:03.15 | bodhi_zazen | What is the etiquette to obtain an invite ? |
| 05:03.50 | somiaj | it is on another network, irc.oftc.net. You can ask your question here as well. |
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| 05:04.39 | bodhi_zazen | ok , it is a question on copyrighting |
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| 05:04.50 | bodhi_zazen | package - display-dhammapada |
| 05:05.16 | bodhi_zazen | it uses copyrighted files - with permission |
| 05:05.34 | bodhi_zazen | but the files needed some minor modifications, spell check mainly |
| 05:05.45 | bodhi_zazen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/display-dhammapada/+bug/1495197 |
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| 05:06.25 | bodhi_zazen | so in the copyright file , attribute the original and make note of modifications ? |
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| 05:08.26 | bodhi_zazen | http://paste.debian.net/335796/ |
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| 05:10.54 | somiaj | bodhi_zazen: The package I see is in debian main, and it would seem strange to have a restrictive copyright on things in main. |
| 05:11.34 | bodhi_zazen | it is not restrictive, it is CC |
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| 05:12.39 | somiaj | but I'm not the one to ask about this. Anyways, I'm unsure if a changelog message is enough to note the modification. You might get an answer in debain-mentors, and there is also the debian-legal mailing list. |
| 05:12.58 | bodhi_zazen | thank you |
| 05:13.16 | bodhi_zazen | do you know how I might get an invite to debian-mentors ? |
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| 05:15.06 | bodhi_zazen | OK, got it, thank you |
| 05:15.09 | somiaj | bodhi_zazen: as I said, it is on a different network. (: |
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| 05:15.49 | somiaj | bodhi_zazen: anyways, just read over the publicdomain license, and I don't see much that says you have to do much for the copyright. "Dedicator recognizes that, once placed in the public domain, the Work may be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used, modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited by anyone for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and in any way, including by methods that have not yet been invented or conceived." |
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| 05:16.35 | somiaj | but maybe I'm missing which files you are talkingabout, I was just looking at the copyright for that package. |
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| 05:22.36 | leolrrj | ? |
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| 05:38.10 | venkat_330 | i have 2 conneted displays in my jessie and during is there a way i can for grub to show output only in VGA with 800x600 resolution. I see outputs in bot connected screen |
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| 06:09.01 | dionysus69 | hello everyone, I am troubleshooting hibernation with sudo program running, so I noticed that if I leave sudo program running and hibernate, the system hangs on resume. The reason I have sudo program running is I am accessing raw disk using virtualbox, it is a vmdk file couple KB big pointing to the whole SSD. how can I change permissions in order to use that vmdk file without sudo? It needed to be created using sudo so if I chown to the curr |
| 06:09.21 | jair | hello all, I installed tftpd on my debian system but I don't see the directory where the files will be placed? for example "/srv/tftpd/" |
| 06:09.48 | jair | should I assume is going to be placed on the home directory of root or the user? |
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| 06:13.02 | dionysus69 | "disk: Raw access to disks. Mostly equivalent to root access." why is it equivalent to root??? |
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| 06:22.44 | squisher | dionysus69, yes, you should add your user to the disk group. |
| 06:23.09 | squisher | dionysus69, beware, you can write to _all_ your disks then, so tread carefully or you may accidentially nuke your stuff. |
| 06:23.25 | squisher | maybe there's another way, but this is better than running virtualbox as root IMHO |
| 06:24.37 | dionysus69 | squisher: I guess running as root is not an option for me because I want to be able to hibernate while vm is running |
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| 06:26.35 | squisher | dionysus69, another workaround is probably to suspend the vm before suspending the computer |
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| 06:30.10 | dionysus69 | hmmm that sounds like something I should try, thanks squisher |
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| 06:33.32 | dionysus69 | but is that an expected behaviour though? is it normal for system not to resume if root process is running? |
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| 06:36.37 | d0lph1n98 | is there any free ppa for debian? such as launchpad ppa |
| 06:37.03 | polyphagia | debian doesn't have PPAs |
| 06:37.22 | d0lph1n98 | what about backports? |
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| 06:39.01 | somiaj | d0lph1n98: there are other repos you can get out there, but you have to be careful that they are actually made for the debian version you are using. jessie-backports is an additional repo you can add, and so is mozilla.debian.net |
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| 06:41.06 | d0lph1n98 | where can i upload my packages for debian? |
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| 06:46.52 | dionysus69 | squisher: by suspending you meant snapshot right? because I dont think theres something like suspend for vms |
| 06:47.19 | squisher | dionysus69, snapshot is something different |
| 06:47.57 | somiaj | vms support supending afaik |
| 06:48.06 | squisher | dionysus69, pause I think is the term virtualbox uses |
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| 06:50.28 | dionysus69 | well if I pause virtualbox will still have to be left on and I would still have trouble resuming from hibernation |
| 06:51.49 | dionysus69 | but I guess I ll use snapshot and startup vm after hibernation-resume, still sounds better than adding my user to disk group, I might as well use root user as main user haha |
| 06:51.50 | squisher | dionysus69, you shouldn't need to leave virtualbox running if the vm is paused. But it may make a difference even if you leave virtualbox running, just give it a shot |
| 06:52.13 | dionysus69 | ok will try anyways thanks again :D |
| 06:52.39 | squisher | dionysus69, I disagree. If you want to do it nicely, google how to write udev rules and change the group of only that one raw device/partition to your user |
| 06:52.52 | squisher | anyway, off for today, good luck! |
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| 07:04.41 | f0o | bbl |
| 07:04.44 | f0o | woops |
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| 07:06.31 | dionysus69 | I use s2disk to hibernate and when I resume system doesnt ask me the password and thats not too secure for linux's standards lol so how can I fix that? |
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| 07:10.09 | veek | how do i get s2disk to work? It does a journal recovery on restart (/swapfile) |
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| 07:10.52 | dionysus69 | dunno I just followed debian guide on how to setup hibernation |
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| 07:11.04 | dionysus69 | it wasn't that complex, just google |
| 07:11.15 | veek | did that |
| 07:11.24 | veek | swapfile dpkg-reconf etc |
| 07:11.31 | veek | free shows up my swapfile |
| 07:11.49 | dionysus69 | free shows up your swapfile? |
| 07:11.57 | veek | free -m, Swap: 4095 |
| 07:12.30 | dionysus69 | oh I see |
| 07:12.35 | dionysus69 | ye whats the problem with that? |
| 07:12.39 | veek | image size = 2097152 from uswsups.conf |
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| 07:13.19 | dionysus69 | seems to me your swap is 4gb big and upon hibernation it used 2gb for that particular case |
| 07:14.18 | dionysus69 | so whats your problem? I maybe misunderstood something haha |
| 07:14.51 | veek | it doesn't resume |
| 07:15.12 | veek | journal error and it recovers from that |
| 07:15.15 | dionysus69 | it loads and then theres "_" on the screen and it hangs? |
| 07:15.32 | jelly | veek: that's just a normal boot as if after a power loss |
| 07:15.47 | veek | nope it powers off on suspend, then i restart and it boots up |
| 07:16.12 | veek | i see an error about the journal but that doesn't cause a problem.. |
| 07:16.24 | jelly | at that point it's already too late |
| 07:16.29 | veek | yeah |
| 07:17.19 | jelly | initramfs did not detect the resume image for some reason -- could be it doesn't have the code for that at all and you need to rebuild it, could be something is misconfigured |
| 07:18.08 | veek | jelly, but initram was rebuilt during the dpkg-reconfigure of uswsusp |
| 07:18.24 | veek | dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp |
| 07:18.41 | veek | and it asks a few questions and builds that image |
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| 07:19.18 | veek | i set log level to 2 |
| 07:19.30 | veek | deathstar swapon[289]: swapon: /swapfile: software suspend data detected. Rewriting the swap signature. |
| 07:19.39 | veek | that's in daemon.log |
| 07:19.42 | jelly | is there a reason you're using uswsusp? |
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| 07:20.00 | veek | messages:Nov 22 08:09:03 deathstar rsyslogd-2007: action 'action 17' suspended, next retry is Sun Nov 22 08:09:33 2015 [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 ] |
| 07:20.03 | jelly | oh wait, you have a swapfile, not a swap partition? |
| 07:20.08 | veek | yep |
| 07:20.16 | jelly | that complicates things. |
| 07:20.28 | veek | mm yes i know.. that offset stuff |
| 07:20.30 | veek | ? |
| 07:22.08 | hyperboloid | hey, can anyone help me out with how debian keeps it's source files? I'm supposed to jpatch xserver-xorg, but when i get the source through apt, I cant find any of the source files in the extracted directory.... |
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| 07:24.39 | nkuttler | hyperboloid: patch what? the source for xserver-xorg is probably not the entire xorg source |
| 07:24.53 | hyperboloid | oh? |
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| 07:25.20 | hyperboloid | am i mistaken as to the purpose of source repositories? I've nver used them before |
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| 07:25.46 | nkuttler | xserver-xorg sounds like some meta package that wouldn't include driver sources etc |
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| 07:27.36 | hyperboloid | I need to patch events.c here: https://github.com/jolicloud/xorg-server/tree/master/dix |
| 07:27.54 | hyperboloid | Any clues? |
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| 07:28.17 | veek | where do you stick kernel boot params in jessie 'silent' etc |
| 07:28.55 | veek | ah mm /etc/default/grub nm |
| 07:29.50 | nkuttler | hyperboloid: try #debian-x on oftc |
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| 07:31.02 | hyperboloid | alright, thanks nkuttler |
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| 07:34.22 | Roenie | nick RoeSrv |
| 07:34.26 | Roenie | fail |
| 07:35.28 | hyperboloid | you were right nkuttler, it was a meta package, thank you! the correct package is xserver-common :) |
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| 07:36.09 | pragomer_1 | hi. how can I change in /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober windows7 entry from "Windows 7 on /dev/sda5" to "Windows 7" |
| 07:36.47 | doodaa | whats the best Phone Contact details sync software for Android and other phones (Ubuntu Touch etc..)? |
| 07:38.03 | xar- | question, my debian box appears to be using something called "network manager", the server has two physical NICs (each are cabled with unique static IPs), but there's only one config listed under /etc/networkmanager/system-connections, why is that? |
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| 07:38.48 | veek | ha working.. you need to add resume=/dev/xxx to grub |
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| 07:48.42 | hyperboloid | xar-: I find it interesting that youre running a server and just now noticed its using networkmanager |
| 07:48.58 | hyperboloid | i dont know anything about your problem i just thought id throw that out there |
| 07:50.43 | xar- | the joy (and hazard) of using cookbooks i didn't have the pleasure of writing unfortunately |
| 07:51.19 | xar- | im curious why it doesn't have separate wired connection configs per NIC |
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| 08:12.01 | Lope | is exim4 a vital process/service? can I stop it temporarily as a test? |
| 08:12.15 | xar- | depends if mail is important to you Lope :p |
| 08:12.30 | Lope | xar: it's not |
| 08:12.45 | xar- | go nuts :p |
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| 08:14.25 | epsilon | exim is installed as default Mailserver, if you dont send Mails from that host, it's uncritical |
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| 08:30.15 | smk | error while loading shared libraries: libboost_thread.so.1.55.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when trying to load some appshey i know you guys probably get this a lot but my boost libraries are fubar.. i get " |
| 08:30.21 | smk | error while loading shared libraries: libboost_thread.so.1.55.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 08:31.21 | smk | " when trying to load some apps.. i've obviously upgraded the package since initial build but stuffs now broken and uninstalling, purging and rebuilding old boost libs manually hasent resolved the issue |
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| 08:32.10 | jelly | smk: which debian release are you using, and which app reports that? |
| 08:32.13 | jelly | !ask |
| 08:32.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:32.16 | smk | was hoping copying 1.58 as 1.55 would do the trick heh.. way too optimistic |
| 08:33.09 | smk | sorry its SMP Debian 4.2.5-1 |
| 08:33.33 | jelly | I have no idea what that is, sorry. Does not sound like a Debian release. |
| 08:33.40 | jelly | where did you get it from? |
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| 08:33.53 | smk | uname --all |
| 08:33.59 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 08:33.59 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 08:34.13 | smk | sec my apt-get repos will tell me |
| 08:34.16 | smk | installed a while ago |
| 08:35.01 | smk | stretch/sid |
| 08:35.06 | smk | thanks |
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| 08:35.48 | jelly | smk: you'll have to rebuild your apps if they're custom |
| 08:36.12 | smk | its kinda been a thorn in my side but i'm waiting on some other things so thought i'd give this channel a shot |
| 08:36.32 | smk | ive tried, they're erroring out |
| 08:36.34 | jelly | smk: again, name at least one app you're getting errors from? |
| 08:37.21 | jelly | if you need things to work, you shouldn't be using testing or unstable which are known to break occasionally |
| 08:37.50 | smk | they're pretty poorly coded i'm not suprised.. |
| 08:38.21 | smk | yeah i dont need it to work.. just thought i'd check in if theres a magic ninja fix that web search did not reveal |
| 08:38.43 | jelly | it's not a matter of poor code. All the C++ stuff in stretch will have been broken at some point due to change in stdc++ ABI with gcc5 |
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| 08:39.21 | smk | no i mean the code i'm compiling is a pretty bad hack heh |
| 08:39.57 | smk | cool well i appreciate the attempt |
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| 08:40.06 | jelly | still, you should use debian stable otherwise you have a moving target underneath your already flaky code |
| 08:40.11 | smk | you're a saint.. have a good one |
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| 08:40.30 | smk | i dont mind :) school of hard knox |
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| 08:42.22 | smk | cheers |
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| 08:52.03 | XeonSquared | so I tried to install curl |
| 08:52.07 | XeonSquared | and I got https://paste.ee/p/e7Gac |
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| 08:52.22 | XeonSquared | I'm not using the unstable dists, it's all just jessie |
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| 08:52.42 | XeonSquared | How would I go about correcting this? |
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| 08:55.38 | jelly | XeonSquared: show the output of "apt-cache policy curl libcurl3" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 08:57.34 | jair | guys I apologize for this bad word ahead of time but I am so frustrated: http://paste.debian.net/335869/ what the fuck! |
| 08:57.53 | XeonSquared | https://paste.ee/p/T6N1r |
| 08:58.28 | jair | I am simply tryiung to have a (gnu/linux) host function as tftp server to back up all the configurations of my routers and switches |
| 08:58.43 | linuxthefish | is it possible to install apt-get software from a flash drive? |
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| 08:58.58 | jelly | XeonSquared: so you have a version of libcurl3 installed that's newer then anything in jessie. |
| 08:59.20 | jair | has anyone here installed tftpd-hpa server? and understands it? |
| 08:59.42 | jelly | XeonSquared: downgrade it. apt-get install libcurl3=7.38.0-4+deb8u2 |
| 08:59.43 | jair | I honestly have not more ideas of why it is giving me permission denied error |
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| 09:00.36 | XeonSquared | it worked, thanks jelly :D |
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| 09:01.51 | jelly | XeonSquared: at some point you've been using either a repo newer than jessie, or did a manual installation of something later. |
| 09:02.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell XeonSquared about not available |
| 09:02.27 | jair | nevermind got it |
| 09:02.47 | jelly | jair: what was the mistake you made and the solution? |
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| 09:03.08 | jair | I will now create a matser yutube and page on how to do it in debian and any other GNU/linux perhaps also BSD/UNIX base ^^ |
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| 09:04.02 | jair | jelly: will give you the url to my youtube video and blog describing exactly the step by step how to and I will make sure the world see it and the network engineers also see it |
| 09:04.51 | jelly | I don't have time for videos, sorry. And step-by-step tutorials are better if you include the error you made and how you fixed it instead of just showing the correct steps |
| 09:05.39 | jelly | chance is someone reading the channel log and your paste will have found it searching for a similar error |
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| 09:10.31 | jair | 1] install tftpd-hpa 2] create a directory for your config files (e.g. /srv/tftp/cisco) where "/srv/tftp" alredy exist in the system since was created by debian when installing the tftpd-hpa package 3] change the permissions and ownership for the directory your have created (e.g. chmod -R 777 & chown -R nobody cisco) 4] edit the default tftpd-hpa configuration settings and change the default directory from (TFTP_DIRECTORY="/srv/tftp" to "/srv |
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| 09:12.25 | Arone | morgnin'g |
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| 09:13.29 | jelly | 777, eh? |
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| 09:15.14 | jair | jelly: help me improve this, since the user is already "nobody" should I be concern about the permissions on the directory? |
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| 09:15.41 | jair | jelly: let me change the permissions to 755 and see if I can still add new config files to the directlry |
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| 09:16.44 | jair | jelly: paste.debian.net/335892 |
| 09:17.57 | jelly | !win jair |
| 09:17.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, jair! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 09:18.37 | jair | jelly: what does that mean? |
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| 09:20.16 | Arone | dpkg --install brain |
| 09:20.16 | dpkg | Arone: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 09:20.57 | jelly | jair: it means it worked and you deserve a prize |
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| 09:21.44 | jelly | we6jbo2, we6jbo2_: why is there two of you |
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| 09:22.19 | r0xtedy | ppl, you are nice! |
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| 09:22.51 | r0xtedy | you help alot! |
| 09:22.54 | r0xtedy | thank you! |
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| 09:28.52 | jair | jelly: I noticed a couple of other things, changing the ownership to user and group "tftp" and chamod -R 755 works perfectly: http://paste.debian.net/335895/ |
| 09:29.42 | jair | jelly: the ownership and permissions on the directory "cisco" created by us not the default created by the system ^^ |
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| 09:30.06 | jair | jelly: now will go ahead and get a quick video for this people in youtube |
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| 09:30.12 | jair | jelly: thank you! |
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| 10:14.31 | dionysus69 | how would I write a bash script that locks the computer and executes s2disk with root for hibernation? |
| 10:15.03 | dionysus69 | how would I write a bash script that locks the computer and executes s2disk with root for hibernation? because right now it doesnt lock and on resume it loads system without any authentication |
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| 10:16.20 | momomo | is there a way to set the move window hotkey so that if you hold and click on a window to move it ? |
| 10:16.23 | jelly | dionysus69: first, see if "xdg-screensaver lock" locks your session |
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| 10:16.44 | momomo | sorry, i found it |
| 10:16.46 | jelly | momomo: kde uses Alt for that. |
| 10:17.17 | momomo | jelly, yes, gnome too .. but i found it under tweak tool and changed it to window key :( |
| 10:17.18 | momomo | :) |
| 10:18.09 | dionysus69 | jelly: nope that doesn't lock :\ |
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| 10:19.00 | dionysus69 | jelly: super + l locks though but I don't know what command it executes |
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| 10:19.25 | momomo | is there a way to hide minimized windows from appliation switcher ? |
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| 10:21.03 | dionysus69 | momomo: you would have to hack GUI system I assume because that's a pretty rare thing anyone would want |
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| 10:22.01 | momomo | dionysus69, if you are running twenty applications and what to focus on three .. why would you be interested in even seeing the rest ? |
| 10:22.47 | momomo | what = want |
| 10:23.15 | momomo | i tried to create a separate workspace, and even on the other workspace, the windows are there |
| 10:23.33 | dionysus69 | are you using gnome shell? |
| 10:23.46 | momomo | dionysus69, yes :( |
| 10:24.12 | dionysus69 | maybe ask in gnome channel or try google, I am using gnome too but I never tried anything like that |
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| 10:24.54 | momomo | dionysus69, it is the single most important feature for me ... i'd hate to have to resort to closing down apps |
| 10:25.13 | momomo | google is of no help |
| 10:25.59 | dionysus69 | look what I found https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/584/taskbar/ |
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| 10:26.30 | dionysus69 | that might sound good for you if you remove clock from center and even if you open 40 different apps there should be enough space |
| 10:28.21 | momomo | hmm .. it doesnt look like it's for application switcher |
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| 10:28.48 | momomo | i'll try it |
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| 10:36.25 | dionysus69 | can anyone tell me how do I create a bash script and call it with alias from terminal? |
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| 10:38.45 | momomo | how do you add an icon to the dash ? i tried libremenu .. it adds it while running , but i can't pin it ( using dashtodock ) .. so I can never get it there when it is closed .. other apps I can |
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| 10:49.20 | cheater | momomo: maybe they still keep a window open? |
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| 10:50.48 | momomo | cheater, no, they are closed |
| 10:51.06 | momomo | dash to dock has an option add to favourites , but is missing for launchers .. i wonder what the difference is |
| 10:51.12 | cheater | a "window" is just an object in Xorg, it doesn't have to have physical representation. |
| 10:51.33 | cheater | what i mean is, the process might still be running |
| 10:51.35 | momomo | cheater, i guess it's applications |
| 10:51.47 | momomo | cheater, no, i have closed processes |
| 10:51.52 | cheater | ok |
| 10:51.56 | cheater | what about .desktop files? |
| 10:51.59 | momomo | is tehre a documentation for gnome extensions ? |
| 10:52.27 | momomo | cheater, my application is launched through such a .desktop file |
| 10:52.32 | momomo | the other applications is not |
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| 11:05.23 | dionysus69 | I have a script that I want to be able to run from terminal, do I add it to /usr/local/bin Or to /usr/sbin? |
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| 11:09.46 | momomo | what editor is best for developing and debugging gnome extensions ? |
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| 11:10.48 | SynrG | your favourite text editor? |
| 11:11.07 | dionysus69 | SynrG: are you using vim? |
| 11:11.19 | SynrG | for virtually all development, yes. |
| 11:11.21 | momomo | SynrG, is there a plugin ? |
| 11:11.24 | momomo | for intellij |
| 11:11.37 | SynrG | beats me. how is this a debian support question? |
| 11:11.54 | dionysus69 | SynrG: how did you get used to hjkl instead of arrows? :D that seems to be the biggest mindtwist obstacle for me to switch to vim... |
| 11:11.56 | SynrG | i think there are gnome channels ... |
| 11:12.28 | SynrG | dionysus69: seriously? i never use hjkl :) |
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| 11:12.48 | SynrG | i know it's not the 'vim way', but i don't care |
| 11:13.05 | SynrG | and this is also not a debian support question :) |
| 11:14.18 | kerunaru | I remaped cursor keys to <nop> dionysus69 |
| 11:14.37 | kerunaru | That way I force myself to use hjkl :P |
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| 11:15.10 | SynrG | we could discuss this vim stuff on #debian-offtopic if you like |
| 11:15.32 | kerunaru | Sure! Sorry, SynrG =D |
| 11:15.44 | SynrG | np. |
| 11:15.59 | SynrG | dionysus69: are you only going to ever run it as root? |
| 11:16.17 | SynrG | dionysus69: if so, /usr/local/sbin |
| 11:16.27 | SynrG | dionysus69: otherwise, /usr/local/bin |
| 11:16.42 | SynrG | if you're only going to ever run it as your username, ~/bin |
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| 11:17.21 | dionysus69 | wait wait |
| 11:17.47 | dionysus69 | so if I run it as non-root, I either use ~/bin or /usr/local/bin ***** but which ?? |
| 11:18.02 | SynrG | are you the sole user of the system? |
| 11:18.07 | dionysus69 | yes |
| 11:18.19 | SynrG | if so, ~/bin is handy because you don't need to become root to put stuff there |
| 11:18.23 | SynrG | that's what i use |
| 11:18.45 | SynrG | and i can carry those scripts to other accounts on other systems where i'm not necessarily an admit |
| 11:18.47 | SynrG | admin* |
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| 11:19.02 | dionysus69 | oh ok but for a personal computer ~/bin other than the comfort of not becoming root is quite redundant right? |
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| 11:19.11 | SynrG | might want to put that dir under revision control to a) track changes and b) share easily with other systems |
| 11:19.54 | SynrG | redundant? i'm not sure what you mean. |
| 11:20.06 | dionysus69 | ok and back to vim haha so its not a sin not to use hjkl instead of arrows? :D i might not feel the guilt of being inferior and I might get more encouraged to learn vim lmfo |
| 11:20.09 | SynrG | it's the appropriate place to put things run just by you. /usr/local/bin is not |
| 11:20.40 | SynrG | i don't care about the definition of "sin". i just use whatever software i like, whatever damned broken way i like :) |
| 11:20.49 | SynrG | it's just my time/energy. nobody else should care. |
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| 11:21.32 | dionysus69 | sounds good, as for what you said before, if I ever going to run somethingg with root, it should go /usr/local/sbin instead of bin? thats the convention? |
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| 11:22.48 | kerunaru | The thing is, dionysus69, is there are more users than you, you should put executables in /usr/local/bin so they can execute them too :) |
| 11:23.05 | kerunaru | if there are more users* |
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| 11:23.59 | SynrG | dionysus69: yes. don't pollute /usr/bin or /usr/sbin with your local stuff |
| 11:24.07 | cast | if its exclusively run by root, sbin will be fine enough, if its not then bin will be in everyones path. IMHO /usr/local/sbin/* should be symlinks managed with stow, pointing to the likes of /usr/local/stow/foo-1.2/sbin/bar |
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| 11:24.19 | SynrG | dionysus69: or else you run the risk of a debian package wanting to overwrite it and conflicting, if it happens to use the same name. |
| 11:24.28 | dionysus69 | but I am the only user on the system and it seems to me I am doing something wrong by creating a ~/bin dir just to put one bash file when I can put the same file in a dir that already exists and plus it will be with other files alike. Just seems more conventional to me even on a system that only me is using |
| 11:25.00 | SynrG | eh? debian explicitly provides for ~/bin by checking its existence and hooking it into PATH |
| 11:25.03 | SynrG | it's quite clean |
| 11:25.19 | kerunaru | Both locations are convetional indeed, dionysus69 :P |
| 11:25.19 | SynrG | the only reason it's not created by default is for the 99% of users who don't use it, it's 'clutter' |
| 11:25.31 | Aprendiz1234 | I have samba installed in debian jessie. I am using ACLs in the filesystem. I have a strange problem, I can write from smb:// but not read although all the permissions are delegated to the filesystem |
| 11:25.35 | SynrG | but it's perfectly appropriate to create ~/bin if you need personal scripts. it's the Right Way |
| 11:25.46 | kerunaru | +1 SynrG |
| 11:26.50 | dionysus69 | hmm ok then, I am doubly confused by the linux's multiple ways of doing things. Like in windows I like the fact that all programs go to program files and in unix some go to bin some to opt some to usr/sbin some to usr/jack/bin/local/something/sh |
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| 11:27.43 | dionysus69 | the dirs should be less fragmented in my opinion because its hard for starters to get started |
| 11:29.34 | kerunaru | It's quite easy, dionysus69: personal scripts go in your home directory (~/bin), system wide for other users (/usr/local/bin), only root access (/usr/local/sbin) |
| 11:30.07 | kerunaru | Keep in mind it like three different access levels |
| 11:30.17 | dionysus69 | what about opt, why does it even exist :D why cant those programs also go in ~/bin |
| 11:31.08 | cast | in my general experience, /opt is commonly used for proprietary crap that doesn't integrate well with anything |
| 11:31.09 | momomo | ook, so I think i have been able to fork the app swithcer extension to not show minimzed ... but how do I install it ? |
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| 11:31.21 | kerunaru | In my current setup I have nothing in opt xD |
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| 11:31.34 | momomo | from tweak tool , i open the extension from file .. but i am unable to select anything ... |
| 11:32.48 | dionysus69 | webgen@debgen:~$ ls /opt |
| 11:32.49 | dionysus69 | firefox google master-pdf-editor-3 sublime_text teamviewer thunderbird |
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| 11:33.23 | momomo | do I have to package it as a zip file ? |
| 11:33.36 | kerunaru | Yes, dionysus69, all of those are propietary software in some way |
| 11:34.19 | dionysus69 | and I dont understand how come you dont have anything in them, how can you avoid using those programs? |
| 11:34.27 | dionysus69 | not all proprietary programs are so evil :D |
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| 11:34.37 | kerunaru | I use iceweasel instead firefox, icedove instead thunderbird, vim insetead sublime, vnc instean teamviewer... |
| 11:34.41 | cast | proprietary programs aren't a part of debian |
| 11:34.59 | cast | we run a free operating system :) |
| 11:34.59 | kerunaru | +1 cast |
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| 11:35.16 | kerunaru | And we are happy with that =D |
| 11:35.41 | dionysus69 | ye but if someone got teamviewer how can I connect to teamviewer with vnc, I would use vnc too if I could. and I use sublime because I am not nerd enough or something lmfo |
| 11:36.47 | kerunaru | Use whatever you want, dionysus69! That's another point on free software: to be free to use what you like the most :) |
| 11:36.51 | cast | teamviewer..remote PC access eh. SSH is pretty much uniformly used in the gnu/linux space |
| 11:37.00 | kerunaru | Yep |
| 11:37.13 | kerunaru | That's why I use VIM |
| 11:37.32 | dionysus69 | well and idiots that need help mostly have windows and teamviewer and its impossible to help them with linux space software |
| 11:37.38 | kerunaru | If I get connected to a remote server, I'll have the same editor I used to |
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| 11:38.27 | cast | dionysus69: perhaps so. I get around that by offering to help people install and use debian :) |
| 11:38.34 | kerunaru | You can install VNC on winsucks AFAIK |
| 11:39.05 | dionysus69 | cast: you kidding me? if I offer people installing debian I will be murdered in 2 days lmfo they will be scared just by installation process :D |
| 11:39.35 | cast | there's RDP, too |
| 11:40.05 | dionysus69 | yes I use rdp, remmina is a good thing too but that needs port forwardings etc etc |
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| 11:41.45 | kerunaru | dionysus69, you have to keep in mind in free software space you sacrifice a little bit of confort to gain freedom. Things could be a bit more difficult, but we are a strong community where people help each other :) |
| 11:41.46 | epsilon | just use rdesktop to windowz, tight|ultraVNC for direct access on desktop |
| 11:41.51 | dionysus69 | I am surprised actually why does one have to create something like ubuntu to be more userfriendly. debian itself should offer installation "standardised" iso files for meer humans who dont wanna choose GUI during installation or dont want to know what swap is etc |
| 11:42.50 | dionysus69 | which would also include proprietary drivers perhaps |
| 11:42.54 | cast | dionysus69: offer to install debian, 99% will say no thanks, and your problem is solved and you have free time to do other more useful things than spend time trying to make windows work, which to be frank is a product that they paid for and has support available. if people think windows is so much better they can fix their own windows problems :) |
| 11:43.06 | dionysus69 | how can you expect anyone google ucode files and inserting them in etc/firmware |
| 11:43.31 | SynrG | dionysus69: /opt structure is fundamentally different. it can't "just go" elsewhere because it doesn't match the structure ... |
| 11:43.44 | SynrG | dionysus69: it follows the all-in-one-dir paradigm used by other OSes |
| 11:44.00 | SynrG | dionysus69: this also usually means a bunch of duplicated libs provided by the third-party stuff |
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| 11:44.25 | kerunaru | That's why we have the non-free channel on debian repositories, dionysus69 |
| 11:44.29 | SynrG | it's quite convenient for deployment for *them*. they don't have to deal with "how do i make a package that integrates with Debian" |
| 11:44.34 | SynrG | but it's hell for security |
| 11:45.05 | SynrG | it means you trust the third-party software vendor to patch all the libs they've dumped into /opt along with their application, if-and-when security issues arise. |
| 11:45.12 | SynrG | that's a whole lot of trust ... |
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| 11:46.38 | dionysus69 | well yes it maybe the security killer but you see ubuntu has more popular support than debian. 10 out of 8 people havent heard what ubuntu is and 9.8 out of 10 people dont know what debian is |
| 11:46.59 | kerunaru | Anyway, dionysus69, you should blame to the companies which don't want to freed their firmwares, not a GNU distribution ;) |
| 11:47.35 | dionysus69 | so by offering noob, ubuntu like installation version, debian would gain more support with one line of warning, by downloading this shitty version of debian, you compromise security and those who dont care much about security would still download it and everyone would be happy(ier) |
| 11:48.18 | kerunaru | Until he/she gets malwave :P |
| 11:48.31 | kerunaru | malware* |
| 11:48.36 | dionysus69 | so what? thats their problem not debian's |
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| 11:48.49 | dionysus69 | you warned them right with that one line before downloading |
| 11:49.25 | kerunaru | Of course! But people install operating systems without read the license |
| 11:49.26 | cast | popularity isn't the most important thing to us. |
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| 11:49.51 | dionysus69 | I can see that :D |
| 11:49.57 | kerunaru | lol |
| 11:50.57 | dionysus69 | I chose debian because I am tired of doing reinstalls, I am not planning to reinstall OS for next couple years or until my pc dies. It's vanilla stable and that is appealing to me hehe. |
| 11:51.26 | kerunaru | So, you are happy ^_^ |
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| 11:52.27 | dionysus69 | ye its great. I somehow prefer debian better than fedora/opensuse or archlinux flavors more too. Community seems larger and more supportive. |
| 11:52.41 | julius___ | hi |
| 11:53.07 | dionysus69 | so at some level, debian should care for popularity because people go after what is standard, they don't trust whats working underground |
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| 11:54.28 | cast | we need enough popularity to keep the distro going, we have plenty of that, and i see the chances of debian dying quite remote. i'd say even less than the more popular ubuntu [Canonical I gather has never turned a profit] |
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| 11:55.13 | cast | as for people not trusting it because of popularity, windows is wildly popular, openbsd isn't. which one would most people in this channel trust more? my money's on openbsd :) |
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| 11:55.30 | kerunaru | hahaha |
| 11:55.35 | dionysus69 | haha well if debian dies ubuntu goes with it so in a way debian has a good insurance. I think canonical would support debian if need came for ubuntu's sake |
| 11:56.15 | crash_ | i also like no to reinstall or upgrade every 6 months and hope the upgrade will go through, so debian has served me well :) |
| 11:56.56 | cast | somewhat OT, i recall reading a comment once: "I'm sticking with Open Solaris, because unlike a community supported OS it's backed by a company so I know it's going to be around for a while"...I guess we know how that turned out |
| 11:57.30 | kerunaru | Open Solaris... :'( |
| 11:57.31 | dionysus69 | solaris, what is that even haha |
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| 11:58.30 | SynrG | and again, we've veered way off support. really, we *do* welcome such discussions on #debian-offtopic and i'd be happy if we discussed this there instead of here. |
| 11:59.18 | kerunaru | True, SynrG... Sorry again! >_< |
| 11:59.21 | dionysus69 | haha sorry :P |
| 11:59.47 | SynrG | np. just don't want to miss real support questions |
| 12:00.27 | SynrG | like Aprendiz1234's |
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| 12:01.07 | SynrG | to be honest, i don't know how ACL's work with samba |
| 12:01.25 | SynrG | !samba |
| 12:01.25 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
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| 12:01.48 | SynrG | Aprendiz1234: if nobody here answers in a reasonable time, maybe check out #samba |
| 12:01.58 | julius___ | got some problems with suspend to ram, sometimes the display goes out but the drive is still running, sometimes it resumes right away (i click "pause" drives spin down, spins up right away). ive tested this on jessie and now on sid...both got the same problem. found a script for pm-utils to "disable wakeup via usb" but that does not work |
| 12:02.01 | julius___ | any ideas? |
| 12:02.02 | Aprendiz1234 | SynrG: thanks |
| 12:02.37 | civillian | Hi all. Is there a way I can pass a boot parameter to the kernel to force a particular hardware ID to associate with a module, ie 0x8086 0x15a2 -> e1000e |
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| 12:03.18 | SynrG | julius___: i can't help with specifics (i.e. what to look for there) but certainly checking logs would help |
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| 12:03.58 | SynrG | people here might be able to help if you found and posted to paste.debian.net excerpts of relevant logs |
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| 12:10.13 | dionysus69 | so I put hibernate.sh file in ~/bin dir. I did source .profile , now how do I execute it ? it now should be in PATH |
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| 12:11.14 | kerunaru | do "echo $PATH" in a terminal |
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| 12:12.17 | kerunaru | If you ~/bin is there you just need to do hibernate.sh :) |
| 12:12.29 | kerunaru | your ~/bin* |
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| 12:12.59 | Stummi | name it hibernate, not hibernate.sh |
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| 12:13.18 | kerunaru | +1 Stummi |
| 12:13.28 | babilen | (the fact that it is implemented in bash is not important) |
| 12:13.34 | kerunaru | And add execution permission to it, dionysus69 |
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| 12:15.51 | SynrG | also, doesn't the shell cache failed lookups of things? i'm not sure how, without exiting and restarting the shell, you inform the shell things have moved around |
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| 12:16.43 | SynrG | (i.e. i have never bothered to look it up, and therefore usually just close/reopen a shell) |
| 12:16.51 | kerunaru | Isn't that inform in "execution time", SynrG? |
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| 12:17.32 | SynrG | e.g. i had something at /usr/local/bin/foo, i remove it and put it in ~/bin, i try to execute it by typing 'foo' and it tells me it can't find it at /usr/local/bin/foo, still |
| 12:17.55 | jelly | dionysus69, SynrG: "hash -r" in bash, "rehash" in zsh |
| 12:17.59 | SynrG | er, i mean, i had something in /usr/local/bin/foo *and executed it at least once within this shell* |
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| 12:18.06 | SynrG | gotcha |
| 12:18.10 | kerunaru | :o |
| 12:18.25 | kerunaru | I didn't know that, jelly |
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| 12:18.53 | SynrG | in bash: |
| 12:18.54 | SynrG | help hash |
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| 12:19.21 | FlawlesS | Hi,does anyone know how to get that yellow copy button used to copy things to terminal without ctl-c/v commands |
| 12:19.34 | FlawlesS | sorry about my english,it hard to explain ;D |
| 12:19.35 | dionysus69 | worked I created .bin dir instead of bin. That was problem :D its not a big deal if I dont want bin to show up right |
| 12:19.39 | kerunaru | In ZHS, it tries to correct my command. I say no and the command get executed. But it's true that ZSH doesn't listen to that kind of changes |
| 12:20.38 | julius___ | SynrG: would that be kernel.log? |
| 12:21.38 | SynrG | julius___: journalctl if you don't want to have to worry about which log |
| 12:22.12 | SynrG | run as root for best results. and check the doc for how to use it to only show some of the messages. |
| 12:22.36 | SynrG | e.g. journalctl -n, for starters |
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| 12:29.06 | julius___ | yeah, journalctrl shows a lot of info |
| 12:29.13 | julius___ | but how do i know whats important? |
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| 12:29.34 | kerunaru | FlawlesS: which yellow button? |
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| 12:30.36 | SynrG | julius___: the things that seem to relate to going to sleep and waking up, around the time that you put it to sleep and woke it up again |
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| 12:30.57 | SynrG | julius___: if you can't decide what's important, cut a slice around the right time bracket and paste that to paste.debian.net |
| 12:31.13 | julius___ | ah ok, that makes sense |
| 12:32.23 | julius___ | well, lets kill some applications |
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| 12:33.48 | dionysus69 | i did hibernate but this time I wasn't running anything in root but on resume it still hung on blank black screen with _ <<<this on top left. Any ideas??? I am using s2disk to hibernate any more proven ways to use hibernate? |
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| 12:34.22 | dionysus69 | I want stable hibernation because the whole idea is lost if it randomly doesnt resume and I have to use powerbutton to poweroff the PC |
| 12:34.33 | sssssss | hi guys ... i am trying to build the gnome-shell-extensions |
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| 12:57.23 | ecthiender | I'm trying to install haskell-platform on debian jessie but I keep getting unmet dependencies error https://bpaste.net/show/6160cc3fedc0 |
| 12:57.46 | ecthiender | My system is upto-date and everything, how do I resolve this issue.. |
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| 12:59.23 | AvatarA | what's your sources.list? |
| 12:59.31 | AvatarA | what does "apt-cache policy haskell-platform" say? |
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| 13:01.05 | ecthiender | apt-cache policy says installed none candidate: 2013.2.0.0.debian12 |
| 13:01.36 | ecthiender | sources.list is pretty standard like this one https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList with main non-free contrib components enabled |
| 13:02.14 | dionysus69 | getting this error kernel:[ 1771.001389] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 3c on CPU 0. |
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| 13:05.13 | ecthiender | any ideas anyone? |
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| 13:05.23 | mooooooooooooo | i was able to create my first gnome extension and now the app switchr do not show minimzed windows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:05.27 | mooooooooooooo | me so happy :D |
| 13:05.30 | AvatarA | ecthiender, there's usually some deviation from the pure stable distro, to get such errors |
| 13:05.35 | AvatarA | even if it's slight |
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| 13:05.48 | kerunaru | congrats, mooooooooooooo |
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| 13:05.51 | kerunaru | :) |
| 13:05.57 | mooooooooooooo | hh :) |
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| 13:07.03 | ecthiender | AvatarA, hmm.. could be..I had a diff sources.list when I was testing and moved from it. |
| 13:07.15 | ecthiender | I mean when I was in testing.. |
| 13:07.19 | ecthiender | before jessie came out.. |
| 13:07.48 | ecthiender | since then I have updated my sources.list my sometimes, rarely, I come into dependency issues with few packages.. |
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| 13:08.17 | ecthiender | w/o reinstalling the entire system is there a way I can merge/deviate back to a stable distro.. |
| 13:08.34 | ecthiender | I mean I'd need pointers..what all I would need to check if they have deviated? |
| 13:08.37 | AvatarA | might be ugly if you were still using testing after jessie was released and then switched sources to jessie |
| 13:08.56 | ecthiender | AvatarA, thats what I did |
| 13:09.10 | AvatarA | well then it is ugly :) |
| 13:09.19 | ecthiender | shit. wish i knew before. |
| 13:09.29 | AvatarA | downgrading is problematic |
| 13:09.37 | ecthiender | how else are you supposed to move back from testing to a stable? |
| 13:09.42 | dionysus69 | I went through hell to setup hibernation just to discover that there is a command like systemctl hibernate that just works!!!! how annoyed I am |
| 13:10.16 | AvatarA | I would take a snapshot of all the packages installed, keep my home directory and reinstall |
| 13:10.24 | AvatarA | then restore the packages I had installed |
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| 13:10.34 | ecthiender | hmm |
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| 13:10.52 | AvatarA | there are various methods |
| 13:11.06 | ecthiender | snapshot of all packages? like dpkg -l? |
| 13:11.08 | AvatarA | dpkg --get-selections > packagesInstalled |
| 13:11.09 | dpkg | selects avatara's ultra-s3kr3t collection |
| 13:11.19 | ecthiender | lel |
| 13:11.30 | somiaj | !apt clone |
| 13:11.37 | somiaj | !apt-clone |
| 13:11.37 | dpkg | [apt-clone] a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>. |
| 13:11.56 | somiaj | It is better to use aptitude, let me find the right factoid |
| 13:12.08 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 13:12.09 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 13:12.22 | NiLon | dpkg --purge dpkg |
| 13:12.23 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up dpkg all over nilon and DLange... |
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| 13:12.41 | ecthiender | thanks somiaj |
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| 13:13.27 | ecthiender | so that's my best bet. re-install the system? |
| 13:14.04 | somiaj | ecthiender: I didn't see your actual problem, I was just responding to the dpkg --set-selections vs that factiod for backing up apackage list |
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| 13:14.30 | ecthiender | somiaj, ok. |
| 13:14.38 | AvatarA | it's not like windows :P, if you do it right, everything will be as it was, including your desktop/program settings etc. |
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| 13:14.47 | ecthiender | AvatarA, i know :) |
| 13:15.05 | somiaj | ecthiender: depending on your use type, backing up stuff in /etc and /var is sometimes useful. |
| 13:15.15 | ecthiender | i know how to reinstall and have all my settings and software etc :) |
| 13:15.24 | ecthiender | haven't use winblows since 2009! |
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| 13:15.37 | somiaj | ecthiender: but for a desktop user who doesn't make system configs (user configs in $HOME is prefered). just save your /home partition and reinstall and you should have a similar setup (provided you dpkg package list isn't corrupt) |
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| 13:16.10 | somiaj | but yea, the only wayt to move from testing back to stable is a reinstall. Espically with the gcc5 transition that happens |
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| 13:16.34 | ecthiender | i was just wondering if I can somehow fix the pointers (sources.list etc etc) to get the stable distribution.. that might need uninstalling and reinstalling quite a few packages..and i'm okay with that |
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| 13:16.55 | ecthiender | i see.. |
| 13:16.56 | p0g0 | somiaj: does that aptitude clone trick manage the retreat to earlier versions well? |
| 13:17.22 | somiaj | p0g0: it is just a package list. It will have troubles from one release of debian to another because package lists do change. |
| 13:17.43 | somiaj | ecthiender: so yea, these package lists methods may have troubles for pacakges that have different names in testing vs stable. |
| 13:18.00 | ecthiender | somiaj, right right.. |
| 13:18.05 | somiaj | p0g0: but versions is jsut fine, it will just grab what ever version in is the sources.list on the machine you run it on. |
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| 13:18.22 | AvatarA | there's also a problem with the install scripts which don |
| 13:18.24 | ecthiender | anyway i would skim through them and keep *only* packages which I need |
| 13:18.33 | somiaj | so it is the packages that change names or have some transition that could be a problem. |
| 13:18.39 | AvatarA | which don't take into account downgrading since it's not what you would normally expect |
| 13:18.58 | somiaj | AvatarA: well this method isn't downgrading, this method is taking a snapshot of the package list and reinstalling so that wont' be an issue. |
| 13:19.13 | AvatarA | I mean what he wishes he could do |
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| 13:19.23 | AvatarA | not saving/restoring packages |
| 13:19.29 | ecthiender | interesting i did not know that.. you cannot downgrade a debian system, essentially it means reinstalling.. |
| 13:19.57 | ecthiender | i mean upgrading from stable to testing/sid is easy.. you just point to different sources.. |
| 13:20.31 | somiaj | ecthiender: there is a lot of work put into upgrading (espcially with the post/pre isntall scripts). Lots of this may not be undoable and no work is designed to ensure it goes back |
| 13:20.35 | ecthiender | I thought downgrading should be similar.. you point to different sources and aptitude/apt-get can figure out and uninstall/reinstall packages appropriately |
| 13:20.36 | somiaj | !partial downgrade |
| 13:20.37 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 13:21.31 | somiaj | ecthiender: also package transtions, only work one way, going backwards just won't work for this either. Again there is a lot of work to ensure upgrades work, and in this process info is lost and isn't set up to undo things. |
| 13:21.46 | ecthiender | I see |
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| 13:23.21 | Bouki | hello, if I use iptables to redirect all traffic from server A to server B, I only need to put iptables rules on server A right ? |
| 13:23.39 | somiaj | ecthiender: you can also think of it this way. The process means the version you are moving to has to have knowledge of the version you come from. Since stable is frozen and debian devs are not future tellers, stable has no knowledge of anychanges that happen in testing. |
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| 13:24.15 | somiaj | Bouki: seems reasonable. |
| 13:24.29 | ecthiender | somiaj, so, just picking ideas, say after few years in stable I want to upgrade to testing because I want the latest packages that are coming up in the next release, but then when the next version releases, I want to switch back to stable for few years, and the cycle repeats. Is this workflow achievable according to you? |
| 13:24.55 | ecthiender | or is it just too much of a hassle? |
| 13:25.39 | somiaj | ecthiender: make sure you use 'stretch' in your sources.list, and that way once it stablelizes you will just be running stable |
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| 13:26.15 | somiaj | so yea upgrading during the freeze is the safest time to run testing, and just use the codename in the sources.list and when it stablaizes you won't magically track testing and can run stretch until you feel like it is time to change. |
| 13:26.20 | somiaj | also get use to using backports |
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| 13:28.03 | ecthiender | somiaj, hmm so basically when I want to upgrade to testing, I should just use the codename.. then it will track tesing unless it stabilizes, then it will automatically track the stable version unless again I manually "update" the sources to the next testing by code name? |
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| 13:28.31 | somiaj | ecthiender: correct, track the codename (not the stable/testing, those change) |
| 13:28.45 | somiaj | jessie will always be jessie (even after jessie is oldoldoldoldoldstable and lives on archive.org |
| 13:28.50 | ecthiender | thanks :) |
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| 13:28.59 | ecthiender | right right! :) |
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| 13:30.02 | qHm | Hi, how can I view a list of usb devices plugged into a debian based machine |
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| 13:30.21 | somiaj | qHm: lsusb |
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| 13:30.36 | somiaj | that lists all devices on your usb hubs |
| 13:30.39 | qHm | Thank you |
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| 13:33.02 | qHm | I normally run linux from a live cd on my laptop, but my laptop is in pieces at the moment waiting for a part. So I've installed VirtualBox on a Win7 machine and running the Linux image on there. I didn't realise till after I set it up that Linux inside a virtualbox will not see the internal wifi adapter. So I've plugged in a usb wifi, but that's not showing up in lsusb. How do I initialise or get linux to recognise the device? |
| 13:33.27 | qHm | Sorry if my terminology isn't correct, I hope it's still clear what I mean |
| 13:35.03 | somiaj | qHm: why do you want linux to see the device? You just want the linux vm on the internet? |
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| 13:37.17 | cra1g321 | im pretty sure virtualbox emulates a intel ethernet adapter inside the VM, so it doesnt matter what the actual network hardware is |
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| 13:37.28 | cra1g321 | unless im remebering wrong |
| 13:37.48 | qHm | Well actually linux is on the internet, via ethernet, I just want to be able to access the wifi device |
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| 13:38.04 | cra1g321 | ahright |
| 13:38.23 | bitgeek | When I SSH to my Jessie box using Putty from Windows, then use tab completion, everytime I hit TAB I get a load of code printed. Almost like "set -x" is set on the tab complete script. What is happening please? |
| 13:39.22 | qHm | There's 2 network adapters in the pc, eth and wifi. I want to enable both so I can connect to the internet via the ethernet(already done) and then I'll use the wifi as a hotspot for some other deivces. Setting up the hotspot I can do, I just need to make linux recognise the device is plugged in first |
| 13:39.46 | rabbitear | bitgeek: |
| 13:39.53 | rabbitear | bitgeek: thats the key |
| 13:39.55 | qHm | I've used this same usb device on the same linux distro but as a host OS, I've never played with network adapters within a virtual environment |
| 13:40.55 | bitgeek | rabbitear: can you elaborate? |
| 13:41.12 | qHm | I know the device is supported by the distro because it's plug and play on my laptop running the same distro version and the same usb device. It's the virtual environment part that's got me stumped, it's my first time using a vm |
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| 13:41.55 | vamps | qHm: you have to use USB passthrough https://www.howtoforge.com/virtualbox-2-how-to-pass-through-usb-devices-to-guests-on-an-ubuntu-8.10-host (same on windows host) but it's probably easier to setup your wifi hotstop direclty on the host |
| 13:41.58 | VampiricPada | Hey everyone. Just trying to get the debian package "minetest-server" to run, but when I install it from apt-get, its returning "Command not found". I looked at their docs and nothing is showing any different. Anyone got any insight into this? I suspect it may be a broken package for debian. |
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| 13:43.30 | VampiricPada | Ah, Just solved my issue...It's "minetestserver", no - unlike what the docs said. |
| 13:44.09 | planetmaker | http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server/Debian <-- here it's correclty stated ;) |
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| 13:44.58 | rrrooo | hey, I somehow messed with my system and removed perl packages. I've downloaded perl and perl-modules .deb files. However when I'm tryint to install perl, it says that I need perl-modules. When I'm installing perl-modules, it says I need perl |
| 13:45.06 | rrrooo | what should I do, to install perl and perl-modules? |
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| 13:46.52 | qHm | vamps : directly on the host isn't an option as I need to use tools that are on the linux image, it's Kali if that clears up why a bit. Thank you that link is helpful, if I'm going to setup a network bridge I'll need to install the drivers on the host machine and get it recgonised there then I should be able to setup the bridge in the VM. Thank you for that I'll go read through it |
| 13:47.13 | qHm | My problem was I knew what I wanted to achieve, but I had not idea of the terminology to google it |
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| 13:49.30 | VampiricPada | planetmaker: Thanks for that. I might have missed that last night since I was sorta drugged up because of this cold >.< |
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| 13:54.48 | whatsfallout | Hello everyone. In the daily report of DMARC I get spf fail in the source_ip. What could be causing this? Because when I check the headers, they are ok, dkim and spf pass |
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| 13:57.59 | Cl0n3r | oi |
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| 13:58.47 | bittin_ | at work atm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg |
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| 14:09.52 | julius_ | http://paste.pound-python.org/show/fxzUu4LvonTXLAwsu57N/ this is the log of my last "go to sleep" attempt for the pc. it starts sleeping, but wakes up immediately. i swear i dont give him pills or anything besides power |
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| 14:16.15 | lemondom | hi |
| 14:16.34 | lemondom | What desktop/IDE is feature complete enough to just run developer tools like atom io editor? |
| 14:16.38 | lemondom | *eh, forget the "IDE" thing, I meant "desktop manager" |
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| 14:16.49 | lemondom | I guess X11/XWindow system is still the primary thing, right? |
| 14:17.13 | murder | how can I manually create a tunX interface? (I want to create tun5 interface and bring it up, for instance) |
| 14:17.18 | lemondom | So the question is rather what to use for desktop/desktop manager. I don't want any effects, it can be a grey dull desktop, it should just offer all functionality |
| 14:17.20 | blind | lemondom: you wouldn't even need a desktop manager, or a window manager, really. |
| 14:17.41 | lemondom | blind: even better, I just want to run the application with all the desktop features (so the application can show everything correctly) |
| 14:17.48 | lemondom | blind: so I just use xwindow then? |
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| 14:17.57 | Stummi | lemondom, X11 is not a window manager |
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| 14:18.07 | Stummi | lemondom, I am pretty happy with FVWM here |
| 14:18.22 | lemondom | Stummi: So I still need to use some DM - otherwise apps may not run? |
| 14:18.24 | lemondom | ok, FVWM |
| 14:18.31 | lemondom | it is very lightweight I guess? |
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| 14:19.20 | Stummi | its more lightweight than kde, gnome, xfce, lxde, etc. There are probably some more leightweight though, but I am don't have experience with them |
| 14:19.29 | Stummi | -am |
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| 14:19.47 | Stummi | lemondom, if you prefer tiling WMs, try dwm or awesome |
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| 14:19.49 | blind | lemondom: really, you could just put atom into your xinitrc and then startx.. you'd have nothing running except X and atom |
| 14:19.54 | lemondom | but FVWM would allow to run any apps one could usually also run on lxde or so? |
| 14:19.54 | blind | no WM, no DE, none of that |
| 14:19.58 | lemondom | blind: oh |
| 14:20.06 | lemondom | so WMs are used when running multiple apps? |
| 14:20.11 | lemondom | on the same xwindow "context"? |
| 14:20.27 | Stummi | lemondom, thats not really practicable, since the WM also handles some basic tasks like layering, or setting a window to fullscreen, or even closing a window |
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| 14:20.36 | lemondom | aha! |
| 14:20.41 | lemondom | exactly that I also want to use |
| 14:20.52 | lemondom | ok, so a DM is needed even for one single app to be able to run completely |
| 14:20.59 | Stummi | er, that was for blind, sorry :) |
| 14:21.11 | Stummi | yes |
| 14:21.22 | blind | not necessarily |
| 14:21.43 | blind | in some cases, sure, but you could very easily run a text editor with no WM |
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| 14:22.21 | Stummi | yeah, ofc, its possible. Its just not pretty |
| 14:22.45 | Stummi | it won't even be maximized if the texteditor isn't written to start itself this way |
| 14:23.39 | Stummi | And I don't think any will, since it would be ridiculous for a texteditor to read your desktop dimensions just to resize itself to them |
| 14:24.16 | lemondom | ok, so a very lightweight DM added on top and I am fine, right? |
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| 14:24.37 | lemondom | pardon my ignorance - it would be sufficient having the DM running in the xwindow instance and then also spawn the app there - and the DM does the rest? |
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| 14:25.10 | Stummi | yes, thats how it works |
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| 14:25.23 | somiaj | lemondom: really provided the program runs in xorg, the desktop or even window manager should make little difference, and is a matter of preference. |
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| 14:26.49 | lemondom | so xorg is a basic DM by Xwindow? |
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| 14:32.38 | at0m | !xorg |
| 14:32.38 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian 4.0 "Etch". To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://x.org/ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:37.03 | afidegnum | hello, can you please give a hand? i did install proxmox as directed and make sure to deactivate ipv6 too but i m still facing this error http://paste.debian.net/335984/ |
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| 14:40.26 | jelly | afidegnum: the packages that throw errors at install time are not part of Debian. Ask in #proxmox, we can't help with those. |
| 14:40.36 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 14:40.36 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 14:40.53 | afidegnum | i already asked there |
| 14:40.56 | jelly | sorry, ##proxmox with two hashes |
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| 14:41.26 | jelly | afidegnum: then wait for their answer, be patient since it's not a large channel |
| 14:41.32 | lemondom | so I heard one can couple Xorg/Xwindow with a VNC daemon, right? |
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| 14:41.37 | afidegnum | thankx |
| 14:41.43 | lemondom | and then there are tons of different vnc/remote view implementations |
| 14:41.48 | lemondom | damn, I need to find one that is really good |
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| 14:41.53 | jelly | lemondom: x11vnc works with an existing X session |
| 14:42.03 | jelly | if that's what you're after |
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| 14:42.38 | jelly | the usual unixy VNC servers provide their _own_ separate X server and session |
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| 14:51.20 | lemondom | coool |
| 14:51.34 | lemondom | and then there is xming, what do you think about that? |
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| 14:51.46 | lemondom | I heard it got a bit less render consistency because it is interpreted on the client |
| 14:51.56 | lemondom | on the other hand it feels somehow HTML like, meta |
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| 15:01.52 | ntz | hello |
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| 15:03.06 | ntz | I have a little request, I don't have debian 8.x here, only 7x and 6 .... can any of you please upload for me somewhere a kernel config file ? eg /boot/config-`uname -r` ?? |
| 15:03.09 | ntz | thanks |
| 15:03.29 | ntz | or pastebin it ofc ... thanks much |
| 15:03.33 | greycat | It doesn't have that thing that docker people want. If that's what you were asking. |
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| 15:04.47 | jordanm | the backports kernel for 7 does |
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| 15:09.07 | socomm | ntz: Couldn't you install a VM and get that yourself? |
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| 15:09.45 | ntz | socomm: couldn't you do that one liner ? |
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| 15:10.04 | socomm | ntz: Could. If I had 8 installed. |
| 15:10.17 | ntz | _paste() { _infile=/dev/stdin; test -z "$1" || _infile="$1"; curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < "$_infile"; } |
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| 15:11.15 | ins3ct | . |
| 15:11.39 | ntz | socomm: anyhow, thanks for your input, someone else having will surely do it |
| 15:11.45 | ntz | **having it |
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| 15:13.33 | ntz | okay, I'll request it second time: can please any of you do for me following one-liner that will let me check a kernel config file from debian 8 ? I don't have debian 8, I have only 7 and 6 |
| 15:13.46 | ntz | _paste() { _infile=/dev/stdin; test -z "$1" || _infile="$1"; curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < "$_infile"; }; _paste /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 15:16.23 | afidegnum | is there still support for debian 6 ? |
| 15:16.57 | cra1g321 | ntz i'll PM you |
| 15:17.22 | greycat | !tell afidegnum about squeeze-lts |
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| 15:18.16 | ntz | cra1g321: thanks !!!! checking that already |
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| 15:22.21 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 15:22.36 | ntz | cra1g321: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/13740050 |
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| 15:22.45 | ntz | ^^ is this default 8.2 kernel o.O ? |
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| 15:23.04 | Guest44510 | Guys whenever I restart my server the network interface disappears, I always have to manually write "dhclient eth0, it is so annyoing, why? |
| 15:23.28 | ntz | Guest44510: because you don't have it in etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:23.34 | p8m | Guest44510: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:23.38 | ntz | I guess .... read please man interfaces |
| 15:23.38 | cra1g321 | i dont know, as i said its a digitalocean droplet, thats why i asked if you wanted me to reboot into my debian desktop |
| 15:23.57 | ntz | oh, maybe yes, but I didn't dare to want that much :) |
| 15:24.03 | ntz | I expected that it will be same |
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| 15:24.16 | Guest44510 | ntz Should that be in there? I have never heard of that I thought it was enough with auto eth0 |
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| 15:24.30 | ntz | Guest44510: pastebin that file please |
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| 15:24.55 | cra1g321 | ntz, well im going to be anyway :) brb 2mins |
| 15:25.05 | Darkhunter | Hello guys, is there any way to show errors/warnings when using systemctl/service in debian 8? When I restart service, I can't see anything when it failed... |
| 15:25.40 | greycat | ntz: fine... because I don't have 7 other things to do... http://wooledge.org/~greg/config-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 15:26.08 | Guest44510 | ntz http://paste.debian.net/335992/ |
| 15:26.10 | greycat | wonders why you can't examine files of a package through packages.debian.org |
| 15:26.21 | ntz | Guest44510: anyhow, I don't know what you have in that file, but auto eth0 ain't enough, you need also: ```iface eth0 inet dhcp''' |
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| 15:26.45 | Guest44510 | ntz I have that... look at the paste ^^ |
| 15:26.55 | greycat | he has both allow-hotplug eth0 *and* auth eth0... I have no idea what that does. |
| 15:27.00 | ntz | Guest44510: to be honest, I'd bet on the order |
| 15:27.00 | greycat | auto* |
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| 15:27.14 | greycat | comment out the allow-hotplug line and put the auto line above iface |
| 15:27.17 | Guest44510 | Could someone repaste that corrected? |
| 15:27.25 | ntz | and yes, kick out allow-hotplug, it's redundant to auto eth0 |
| 15:27.40 | Guest44510 | What about "dhclient eth0"? |
| 15:27.47 | greycat | That doesn't go in that file. |
| 15:28.09 | ntz | Guest44510: simply kick out allow-hotplug eth0 and change order of auto eth0 and iface eth0 ..... |
| 15:28.12 | murder | do you have a best practice to create and bring a tun interface up within a script? eg: I want to create the 'tun5' interface and then invoke ssh -w with tun5 as argument |
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| 15:28.42 | ntz | greycat: thanks, fine |
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| 15:29.53 | Guest44510 | dat moment when you dont bother plug in a montior and are blind typing... :P |
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| 15:33.50 | ntz | murder: read man interfaces ..... there is everything described including an examples |
| 15:33.52 | Guest44510 | ntz It looks like the server is active and shows a valid ip configuration but I cannot access it through SSH now, I could before when I just wrote "dhclient eth0" now after the changes I rebooted and it doesnt want to connect :p |
| 15:34.44 | ntz | Guest44510: because it could have different ip .... or sshd waits for timeout if it doesn't have a dns |
| 15:35.00 | Guest44510 | ntz I shows the same ip in the router |
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| 15:38.35 | Guest44510 | ntz http://paste.debian.net/335995/ That is should be correct, right? |
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| 15:39.04 | ntz | greycat: hehe, nice http://wooledge.org/~greg/deargeorge.html |
| 15:39.14 | ntz | sorry, it was attempted to be /msg |
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| 15:49.00 | greycat | I think we would have to know what proxmox is to understand your question. All I can see is that "proxmox.com" exists in real life DNS, and is not a 192.168.* address.... |
| 15:49.06 | Guest44510 | Since my problem exist after changing interfaces ( to this http://paste.debian.net/335995/ ) couldnt I just nano /etc/rc.local and add "dhclient eth0" but that seems so ghetto... |
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| 15:49.56 | greycat | Guest44510: is network manager interfering? What errors do you get when booting? |
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| 15:50.48 | Guest44510 | greycat I dont get any errors what I know of |
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| 15:51.31 | greycat | Look through the output of journalctl (on jessie... if you're on wheezy, install bootlogd and try again and then review /var/log/boot) |
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| 15:53.11 | Caterpillar | is pbuilder the best tool to create deb packages for MIPS while using an x86 CPU? |
| 15:53.21 | Guest44510 | greycat What should I look for in there? I dont notice anything that stands out but then I dont know that much either... |
| 15:53.37 | greycat | The parts where it brings up networking and asks for DHCP. |
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| 15:54.48 | greycat | searching for DHCP should get you to the right area |
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| 15:55.36 | Guest44510 | Nov 25 16:43:59 debian dhclient[807]: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
| 15:55.36 | Guest44510 | Nov 25 16:43:59 debian dhclient[807]: DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1 |
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| 15:58.25 | jelly | jair: not really! |
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| 16:00.23 | cybernaut | I was looking to install ffmpeg and apper has a strange list it's not per say "magically" supported. Do I have to build it completely from scratch or do I have to play "find the dependencies" game I love so much? |
| 16:00.44 | greycat | what is apper? |
| 16:01.05 | cybernaut | graphical version apt for debian? |
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| 16:02.45 | greycat | You have searched for files named ffmpeg in suite jessie, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 16:02.49 | greycat | Sorry, your search gave no results |
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| 16:03.30 | cybernaut | ,v ffmpeg |
| 16:03.31 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:2.8.2-1; sid: 7:2.8.2-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.4-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.8.2-dmo1 |
| 16:03.35 | Guest44510 | greycat http://paste.debian.net/335999/ Is that normal? |
| 16:04.02 | greycat | So... it's only in jessie-backports, not in jessie? Weird. |
| 16:05.00 | Hello71 | https://lwn.net/Articles/650495/ |
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| 16:05.23 | greycat | Guest44510: it does say "bound to 192.168.1.132 -- renewal in 32457 seconds." which looks good. |
| 16:05.27 | hiya | Guys, Do you know any good KVM providers from your place for < 2 USD / mo ? I am ready to play yearly |
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| 16:05.31 | greycat | I know nothing of this avahi stuff. |
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| 16:05.59 | Guest44510 | It is just my second computer reattempting to SSH to it |
| 16:06.42 | hiya | Guest44510, install SSH server then |
| 16:07.20 | cybernaut | thanks greycat, and hello71 that elucidated some of my confusion. Now if I can figure out how to install it :) I prefer using ffmpeg because I've used it for the last 7 years LOL |
| 16:07.32 | Guest44510 | hiya I already have that installed |
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| 16:08.02 | hiya | Guest44510, find out the LAN IP of the desktop and SSH into it |
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| 16:08.32 | greycat | hiya: Guest44510 claims that his eth0 is not coming up at boot time, but his journalctl output shows it getting an address through DHCP. |
| 16:08.52 | hiya | ok |
| 16:09.33 | Guest44510 | Just rebooted the server and attempting to SSH to its impossible, if I just were to write "Dhclient eth0" it would instantly connect |
| 16:10.28 | greycat | So wait, you're not actually looking at eth0 to determine whether eth0 is up? You're just assuming eth0 is down because some other box's ssh fails? |
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| 16:16.28 | Guest44510 | greycat It is in fact down, "cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate" "Down" |
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| 16:17.05 | greycat | Guest44510: so that journalctl snippet that you showed was NOT from boot, but was instead from you typing a dhclient command? |
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| 16:18.21 | Guest44510 | greycat Yes most likely |
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| 16:18.38 | greycat | Then you need to find out what happend (or failed to happen) before that. |
| 16:21.03 | Guest44510 | greycat so The log is pretty huge, searching for DHCP isnt giving anything though |
| 16:21.13 | greycat | Try searching for "networking" |
| 16:21.52 | greycat | First lines containing "networking" for me are "Configuring network interfaces...Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.3.1" and copyright crap. |
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| 16:22.12 | Guest44510 | Yes I found something "configuring netwokr interfaces..... iptables-restore v1.4.21: Couldnt load target ´deny´: No such file or directory" |
| 16:22.20 | greycat | Or search for eth0, or search for interface, or *something* |
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| 16:25.25 | Guest44510 | What is "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/firewall" ? |
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| 16:25.58 | greycat | Based on the path, I'd guess it is a script that is executed before bringing up a network interface. If it's failing, that might be an issue. |
| 16:26.01 | Guest44510 | Is that default or some added thing? Because it exited with return code 2 |
| 16:26.01 | blind | A script that gets run prior to an interface being brought up. |
| 16:26.04 | ntz | greycat: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/firewall |
| 16:26.09 | ntz | sorry |
| 16:26.11 | ntz | file /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/firewall |
| 16:26.15 | greycat | Your manual "dhclient" command does not actually bring up the interface in the normal way, so it bypasses those scripts. |
| 16:26.31 | Guest44510 | Could I delete that file? |
| 16:27.02 | greycat | If you don't want your firewall, sure. |
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| 16:27.55 | Guest44510 | I would want it if it is there by default but if there is some manually added script I would just want to delete it. I mean why would the default script fail to run |
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| 16:28.44 | dimitry7 | hi guys |
| 16:28.51 | greycat | So move it to /var/tmp or /root or something. |
| 16:28.55 | dimitry7 | is there a way to restrict commands to specific users? |
| 16:29.29 | dimitry7 | sorry, to restrict commands for sudo |
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| 16:30.10 | dimitry7 | i want some of my co-workers to restart a service but not do a drop to a DB for example |
| 16:31.09 | greycat | It's not "default" in the sense that every system has it. It might have been placed there upon installation of some package. I don't have it. |
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| 16:31.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | dimitry7: https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 16:31.26 | greycat | Or it might have been put there by a human. |
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| 16:32.57 | Guest44510 | greycat thanks I moved it to /root, now it seems to work |
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| 16:34.32 | dontknow | are live debian isos official? |
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| 16:34.47 | dontknow | live xfce etc |
| 16:34.48 | greycat | Does it look like a script that Debian would have put somewhere, or a script that a human sysadmin would have written? |
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| 16:35.35 | ntz | debians' alternative to ``rpm -qf /path/to/file'' will tell ya :) |
| 16:35.35 | Guest44510 | greycat Most likely from a human |
| 16:35.54 | ntz | Guest44510: ^^ thinking doesn;t mean knowing .... check it |
| 16:36.11 | greycat | ntz: give a specific command he can run. And good luck with that. |
| 16:36.20 | dontknow | what was the command that removes old packages and not the new version packages? |
| 16:36.26 | greycat | Sure you could check dpkg -S, but what if it was created by a postinst script instead of dropped in as a config file... |
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| 16:36.43 | greycat | dontknow: apt-get autoclean ? |
| 16:36.56 | ntz | Guest44510: dpkg -S /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/firewall |
| 16:37.02 | dontknow | greycat, does it hold new packages? |
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| 16:37.10 | greycat | dontknow: man apt-get |
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| 16:38.33 | Guest44510 | ntz greycat "/sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.firewall.rules" This is what was in that file |
| 16:38.46 | greycat | Literally just the one line? Not even a #!/bin/sh ? |
| 16:39.09 | Guest44510 | and what you just said greycat |
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| 16:39.53 | greycat | I dunno, then. There are several web pages advocating putting content like that into a file by that name. |
| 16:40.27 | greycat | It *might* have been something you or your predecessor did in a previous Debian release, which no longer works in jessie. That's just a guess. |
| 16:40.50 | Guest44510 | Anyhow, it works as normal now. Thanks for the help |
| 16:41.35 | Summh | i think this excited...... GENITAL WARTS! maybe. it is sacd. i think this a game - NFL just this a joke |
| 16:41.43 | Summh | you do you and he who's 23 and is gettingle one partied forbin shit. what does the korn blair witch end old. no then your peace. Raise you so each for preside of 23 and the walk I talking dealing a guy donkey it? i have carpet. if i want pho. Why you run off? he's just invitation. Hi. o god. 23 year olds them like your peace. its too as pressure during with woman right noodle you're talking a |
| 16:41.46 | Summh | gambler |
| 16:41.52 | Summh | I won't think and is over $380 miles from spot in human off a French of random rap on the for married |
| 16:41.59 | Summh | good girl. by the basektball album. its ok. 1187songs, 12hrs downloading them sucked to kickin my teeth. spit is been has born |
| 16:42.07 | Summh | es those? heh. lol. ultimately, "speed" is clean. never inconvenience to see |
| 16:42.16 | Summh | _Forbin: the most and the patience to get used to leave asked her worlds. meh |
| 16:42.23 | Summh | why-im-dumping-arrest in ther how about win 10. yarddog: i like 12. party! get used tongue" u hear me runatrain |
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| 16:43.28 | Summh | i didn't still able when the tinder of big boobs open: this inferior to get used to see |
| 16:43.37 | Summh | _Forbin: these in ever how to american in and safe. NOODLEARM. the food and soccer = grass fairy's. why dont was legal. Viking vital |
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| 16:44.56 | Guest44510 | greycat I have installed openVPN on the server and everytime I reboot the server I have to enter username + password for it I assume that I to live with that? Or is it possible to change it so it does that automatically? |
| 16:45.08 | greycat | I don't know openvpn. |
| 16:45.51 | ChrisH | Guest44510: OpenVPN as client? |
| 16:45.56 | Guest44510 | ChrisH Yes |
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| 16:47.31 | ChrisH | Guest44510: man openvpn search for auth-user-pass or better, move from user/password to certificate based VPN |
| 16:48.24 | Guest44510 | ChrisH I think it is certificate based |
| 16:49.01 | ChrisH | Guest44510: certificate might only have a keypass passphrase. |
| 16:49.24 | ntz | Guest44510: btw, if you wish, you could use my firewall replacement http://sprunge.us/Njgi + http://sprunge.us/BHca (config file) |
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| 16:52.28 | Guest44510 | Thanks ntz, would you guys recommend changing the authentication method from password to key-based? |
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| 16:53.39 | ChrisH | Guest44510: I would. I have all OpenVPN running with certificates as a) easier to controll on server side. b) allows more then one client to connect. But that generic discussionis offtopic here. |
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| 16:55.08 | ntz | Guest44510: key based access is surely the better way to go |
| 16:56.50 | Guest44510 | ChrisH Im not hosting my own VPN service Im connecting to someone elses service on the server if that really matters. But I would always have to redirect my domains for every reboot as I gain new IP addresses from the tunnel so I guess typing in user+passw for VPN client wouldnt be so bothering |
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| 17:03.47 | p3rror | hello |
| 17:04.01 | p3rror | please what is the difference between : |
| 17:04.13 | p3rror | agrdppr2:/opt/app/oracle (root) time dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/VG_ORABIN/lvol1 bs=1024k count=100 |
| 17:04.15 | p3rror | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.17 | p3rror | agrdppr2:/opt/app/oracle (root) time dd if=/dev/zero of=data.img bs=1024k count=1000 |
| 17:04.37 | p3rror | writing to a vg or writing to a file |
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| 17:05.53 | ntz | p3rror: first will destroy volume /dev/VG_ORABIN/lvol1, second will create file |
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| 17:06.17 | ntz | first will erase the filesystem and formatting |
| 17:06.49 | ntz | also if you want first, bs=512 count=1 is pretty enough |
| 17:07.06 | p3rror | ntz, formatting is writing zero |
| 17:07.09 | p3rror | in vg |
| 17:07.18 | greycat | One of them writes to a device. The other writes to a file. |
| 17:07.26 | p3rror | My goal is to test speed |
| 17:07.30 | greycat | Also the amount of data written is different. |
| 17:07.33 | ntz | depends how the /dev/VG_ORABIN/lvol1 is used ... |
| 17:07.35 | p3rror | as like as like hdparm does |
| 17:08.00 | ntz | if you want to test speed, write to the file with oflags=direct |
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| 17:08.22 | greycat | Why can't you just use hdparm? |
| 17:08.38 | ntz | or use hdparm as greycat suggests :) |
| 17:08.47 | p3rror | I'm running on a hp-ux os |
| 17:08.58 | greycat | Then you're in the wrong channel. |
| 17:09.49 | p3rror | greycat, does dd gives as the speed of reading and writing data from disk |
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| 17:10.19 | greycat | Are you asking what HP-UX 11's dd(1) does, in #debian? (I know you are not asking about HP-UX 10, because 10 doesn't have /dev/zero) |
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| 17:10.45 | greycat | #hpux is the correct channel |
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| 17:11.22 | p3rror | no one reply |
| 17:11.23 | ntz | p3rror: om .. read dd manual ... if you use dd with {iflag,oflag}=direct it will bypass caches in memory |
| 17:11.26 | p3rror | there |
| 17:11.42 | greycat | p3rror: you didn't ask a question yet. And you didn't wait long enough even if you HAD asked a question. |
| 17:11.52 | oo_miguel | after the latest kernel update i encountered this: Bad rss-counter and also later some segfautls. I testet the RAM with memtester but everything seems fine. Any idea what else might have caused this? Is it possibly related to the update? |
| 17:12.25 | oo_miguel | the complete errrors are like: BUG: Bad rss-counter state mm:ffff8807fc04b400 idx:0 val:1 |
| 17:12.27 | greycat | ntz: FYI there is no "direct" in HP-UX 11's dd |
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| 17:14.20 | ntz | greycat: thanks :) .... so maybe gdd (gnu dd if it's available ....) |
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| 17:35.38 | captex | guide step by step to add argyllcms user to plugdev group after update |
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| 17:37.40 | greycat | adduser argyllcms plugdev ; then log out and back in |
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| 17:40.39 | linuxthefish | hi, i'm trying to install Skype via https://wiki.debian.org/skype but the third command starts removing linux-image and gnome! |
| 17:41.10 | captex | greycat : I have this answer - user argyllcms do not exist |
| 17:41.26 | greycat | Well, then you have to create the user first. |
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| 17:42.22 | captex | greycat : many thanks, I will try to do this |
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| 17:45.24 | captex | greycat : tks a lot again all ok |
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| 17:57.53 | jair | jelly: hahaha |
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| 17:58.32 | jair | jelly: alright I wanted to check with you a question related to powe and the correct formula to calculate the WATTs |
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| 17:59.17 | afidegnum | hello, please apart from proxmox, what other Command-line / Web based virtualisation tool can I get on debian? |
| 17:59.17 | jair | jelly: for example if I have a telco provider giving 10KVA to work with, basically to install a rack |
| 17:59.23 | afidegnum | i m having a hell with proxmox |
| 18:00.00 | jair | jelly: then I will need to change the KVAs to WATTS and then will be able to calculate how many switches and routers and servers can I allocate on that rack |
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| 18:01.36 | Chocolate_Chip | I ran apt update && apt dist-upgrade |
| 18:01.46 | Chocolate_Chip | It wants to install the new package s-nail |
| 18:01.50 | Chocolate_Chip | Why and what is that |
| 18:01.59 | greycat | And you got "bash: apt: command not found" ... |
| 18:02.10 | blind | Nah, works here actually. |
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| 18:02.16 | blind | First thing I tried.. |
| 18:02.27 | greycat | Oh. There is actually an apt(8). Huh. |
| 18:02.47 | Chocolate_Chip | greycat, apt is better than apt-get because it has a progress bar |
| 18:02.51 | greycat | Chocolate_Chip: you can use "apt-cache show pkgname" to see what it is. |
| 18:03.00 | Chocolate_Chip | But it can't autoremove. It can remove and purge though |
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| 18:03.37 | Chocolate_Chip | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.38 | Chocolate_Chip | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.38 | Chocolate_Chip | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.46 | Chocolate_Chip | Why would I need this |
| 18:03.58 | greycat | More to the point, what OS are you on? That's not a jessie package... |
| 18:04.01 | greycat | ,v s-nail |
| 18:04.01 | Chocolate_Chip | I don't host my own server. Why is it wanting to install this |
| 18:04.03 | judd | Package: s-nail on amd64 -- sid: 14.8.5-1 |
| 18:04.19 | greycat | Why are you running unstable, and why are you asking questions about it? |
| 18:04.22 | Chocolate_Chip | greycat, a 32 bit hybrid machine |
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| 18:04.53 | Chocolate_Chip | I use apt pinning |
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| 18:05.06 | SynrGy | Chocolate_Chip: we don't support that here. |
| 18:05.19 | Chocolate_Chip | All I did was ask what a package did |
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| 18:05.20 | SynrGy | !frankendebian |
| 18:05.21 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:05.37 | Chocolate_Chip | heh |
| 18:05.39 | Chocolate_Chip | ok then |
| 18:05.57 | greycat | Since you are using unstable, you should be able to answer all of your own questions about it. |
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| 18:06.12 | greycat | Or ask in #debian-next on OFTC. |
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| 18:06.22 | dionysus69 | this is frustrating me already, most of the resumes from hibernate just hang |
| 18:06.35 | SynrGy | we won't even support it in #debian-next if it's a stable/unstable hybrid. |
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| 18:06.56 | SynrGy | that's not a supported or supportable configuration. just don't do that. |
| 18:07.02 | SynrGy | that's what backports are for |
| 18:07.24 | SynrGy | yes, with pinning you can do all kinds of crazy stuff. but that doesn't make it smart. |
| 18:07.31 | dionysus69 | anyone have a working hibernation? |
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| 18:07.54 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/sid/s-nail says "S-nail is a derivative of Heirloom mailx, formerly known as nail, which itself is based upon Berkeley Mail" |
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| 18:09.10 | greycat | And heirloom-mailx is a transitional package in sid... |
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| 18:10.14 | SynrGy | my last tip on this, but you're on your own to use these tools. 'aptitude why s-nail' to ask your system why it's there instead of bugging people on irc (here, or any channel :) |
| 18:10.17 | SynrGy | Chocolate_Chip: ^ |
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| 18:10.34 | Chocolate_Chip | thanks |
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| 18:11.42 | greycat | They shoulda just kept the original name 'nail'. |
| 18:12.11 | Chocolate_Chip | It sais because it was a recommended package to mailx |
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| 18:12.41 | Chocolate_Chip | and mailx was a recommended package of logrotate |
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| 18:17.51 | jelly | jair: 1) not sure what makes this a #debian and not a ##hardware question 2) I haven't dealt with datacenter infrastructure a lot but 3) kVA * PF = kW; for practical purposes, the power factor of IT equipment with switching power supplies is fairly close to 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply#Power_factor |
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| 18:19.19 | Colloguy | external dvd burners should just work with debian, without any 3rd-party drivers, right? |
| 18:19.41 | greycat | USB ones, I would expect to. |
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| 18:19.57 | momomo | anyone here using gnome 3 ? when I log out, i don't get logged out immediatly ... it takes about 30 seconds ... there is a timeout .. i am not sure why ... how can I get rid of that ? |
| 18:20.03 | Colloguy | cool, thanks |
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| 18:20.43 | dionysus69 | please anyone explain to me why I might be getting this on resume from hibernation. https://gist.github.com/webzorg/bfea833f4348a49290f1 I also get the following error sometimes that the UEFI variable memory is full and whether to clean it or not. |
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| 18:21.36 | zykotick9 | momomo: please don't cross post to #ubuntu and #debian at the same time... if you use ubuntu please keep it in #ubuntu. |
| 18:22.00 | momomo | zykotick9, do you use ubuntu? |
| 18:22.11 | zykotick9 | momomo: hell no. |
| 18:22.20 | momomo | so why are you in both? |
| 18:22.25 | momomo | to hassle us ? |
| 18:22.27 | momomo | haha :P |
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| 18:42.46 | lalala_oops | xringd is overloading the cpu to 57%,how could I fix this? |
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| 18:44.23 | frew | hey guys; if I wanted to reset my machine to a known state, does anyone know of a way I can a) reset the list of user installed packages b) tell something (presumably apt-get) to act on that list, and then c) `apt-get autoremove` |
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| 18:44.44 | greycat | frew: look at dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 18:45.10 | frew | greycat: thanks, will do |
| 18:45.15 | somiaj | if you want to keep info about autoinstall packages use |
| 18:45.17 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 18:45.18 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 18:46.02 | frew | I think that a manually currated set-selections might be the ticket |
| 18:46.07 | frew | but I'll look at the commands for clone |
| 18:46.25 | somiaj | frew: the aptitude path is a bit nicer if you care about keeping track of the auto install flag. |
| 18:46.32 | frew | mmm |
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| 18:46.36 | frew | I *think* I do |
| 18:46.52 | frew | but I'm not really sure |
| 18:46.57 | frew | I almost think that it won't matter either way |
| 18:47.14 | linuxthefish | hey, has anyone here got Skype working on Debian 7? |
| 18:47.17 | frew | the main thing is that we switch from management via apt-get install and remembering to apt-get remove, to a fully state based install |
| 18:47.24 | linuxthefish | actually debian 8, jessie sorry |
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| 18:49.07 | rogger_h | hello :) im looking for sys admin to help me out with my server , pm me if u're intrested in work |
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| 18:49.43 | frew | somiaj: it looks like the clone thing won't uninstall stuff that another user may have installed |
| 18:49.48 | frew | somiaj: am I misreading? |
| 18:50.21 | frew | basically I want to mark *all* packages as not user requested, and then schedule |
| 18:50.31 | somiaj | frew: you may be correct there. Also what if a user puts some source stuff in /usr/local or hides a binary in /usr? |
| 18:50.36 | frew | I guess I could do the former with dpkg --set-selections from an empty file |
| 18:50.52 | somiaj | frew: you may have to modify it to find anytying not on that list and remove it too. |
| 18:50.52 | frew | somiaj: that's a different issue that we'llhave to solve a different way |
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| 18:51.09 | frew | the idea is to take a stepping stone toward immutable VMs |
| 18:51.17 | somiaj | frew: why not just image the install and just copy the image back as opposed to removing packages. |
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| 18:51.28 | somiaj | espically with a VM, an image is easy to revert to |
| 18:51.45 | greycat | The real goal sounds like a lot less work than this "stepping stone". |
| 18:51.47 | frew | somiaj: that's the end goal, but there are a lot of things that need to happen first to make that feasible |
| 18:51.59 | frew | nah there are so many other thigns to do |
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| 18:52.21 | frew | these servers are currently pets |
| 18:52.28 | frew | and they need to end up being cattle |
| 18:52.32 | frew | so lots of untangling to do |
| 18:52.36 | winterss | hi |
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| 18:52.49 | Stummi | rogger_h, well, you could at least give a short summary about what you actually want to do |
| 18:53.05 | rogger_h | regular sys admin , security and basic installations |
| 18:53.50 | Stummi | ah, you are looking for someone for salary. got it |
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| 18:54.00 | rogger_h | or per hour |
| 18:54.06 | rogger_h | actually i need like 3-4 hours a month |
| 18:54.15 | leolrrj | hey gurus... how can I check if my port 8080 is open in the debian firewall? |
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| 18:54.30 | greycat | telnet to port 8080 from an outside box |
| 18:54.48 | Stummi | leolrrj, "the debian firewall" does not exist |
| 18:54.57 | somiaj | rogger_h: this isn't the appropriate place to ask for work, also I woudln't trust some random person on the internet to 'admin my servers'. (: |
| 18:55.06 | Stummi | rogger_h, okay. No interest, sorry |
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| 18:55.45 | somiaj | though I'm unsure what would be a good place to get someone creditable who wants to do part time work. |
| 18:56.27 | Stummi | I think theres a page that lists somehow official debian consultants somewhere at the debian website |
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| 18:57.00 | Stummi | https://www.debian.org/consultants/ - well, that was easy to guess :) |
| 18:58.01 | somiaj | rogger_h: no need to message me. I to am not intersted (and am also not a sysadmin). I'm just saying there are better forms to try to find qualitified help. |
| 18:58.12 | rogger_h | Like? |
| 18:58.15 | rogger_h | im looking for days |
| 18:58.18 | somiaj | seems Stummi found you a list. |
| 18:58.39 | SynrGy | like anywhere but irc |
| 18:58.40 | rogger_h | those will rip me off |
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| 18:59.23 | lalala_oops | Why is xringd overloading the cpu to 57%? |
| 18:59.27 | SynrGy | so you're hoping to take advantage of some poor schmuck on irc desperate enough for work to undersell their services? |
| 18:59.45 | jelly | rogger_h: do you consider $100/hr a ripoff? |
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| 18:59.49 | SynrGy | anyway, OT. end of discussion |
| 19:00.11 | Stummi | rogger_h, just a guess: When paying some randomly internet people you may not even know by name, hows about liability? |
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| 19:00.53 | SynrGy | can we just stop engaging rogger_h and move on? OT |
| 19:01.00 | SynrGy | tnx |
| 19:01.01 | Stummi | okay |
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| 19:02.11 | frew | somiaj: ah, dpkg --clear-selections is what I wanted I think |
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| 19:02.46 | rogger_h | first job teamviewer on my pc, then i will hire with contract DUH |
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| 19:04.15 | majestiic | From the laptop it seems fine to access my server through SSH but on my desktop computer because it says that the server isnt responding :S |
| 19:04.35 | majestiic | but not* |
| 19:05.38 | majestiic | I have tried putty and bitvise but the problem still exists |
| 19:06.12 | greycat | So your desktop box is Windows? |
| 19:06.19 | majestiic | And my laptop aswell |
| 19:06.38 | greycat | Is the server publically reachable, or is this on a private network? |
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| 19:06.59 | majestiic | It should be reachable both by WAN and by the internal IP |
| 19:07.05 | DammitJim | how do I set a default user to own new files created in a directory? |
| 19:07.22 | greycat | DammitJim: only group membership can be automated that way, not user ownership |
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| 19:07.29 | greycat | err, group ownership |
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| 19:07.39 | DammitJim | that's the sticky bit? |
| 19:07.45 | greycat | No, that's the setgid bit. |
| 19:07.49 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 19:07.55 | DammitJim | so, with setfacl? |
| 19:08.01 | greycat | Sticky is what prevents you deleting other people's files in /tmp. |
| 19:08.26 | Stummi | DammitJim, well, such a setup would allow users to create directories they can't delete or access, wouldn't it? |
| 19:08.40 | DammitJim | Stummi, actually, that's what I want :D |
| 19:08.51 | DammitJim | but maybe I'm looking at it wrong |
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| 19:09.33 | Stummi | DammitJim, you could create a small application using C, which creates the directory and set suid |
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| 19:09.46 | DammitJim | thanks Stummi |
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| 19:09.59 | DammitJim | but for setting the default group? what do I use? setfacl? |
| 19:10.02 | linuxthefish | hi, how can i stop apt-get trying to remove things? |
| 19:10.04 | majestiic | greycat nvm I solved it |
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| 19:10.24 | linuxthefish | it's telling me to do apt-get -f install, but if i do that it tries to remove a ton of important stuff! |
| 19:10.38 | jair | jelly: sorry about that and thank you! for the information |
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| 19:10.44 | Stummi | linuxthefish, fix the problem that causes apt-get trying to remove all the stuff |
| 19:10.54 | linuxthefish | Stummi but nothing is broken |
| 19:11.08 | Stummi | are the packages marked as automatically? |
| 19:11.13 | foul_owl | Hi folks. Does anyone know if Debian releases DHCP leases when the system is halted via "shutdown -h now" |
| 19:11.34 | linuxthefish | "skype:i386 : Depends: libasound2-plugins:i386 but it is not going to be installed" but Skype is working fine |
| 19:12.14 | somiaj | foul_owl: it might depend on if you are using dhclient or dhcpcd (I think dhclient won't release the lease, because it really doesn't run again after it is done). |
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| 19:12.59 | Stummi | linuxthefish, I would probably use the solver (either CLI or TUI) from aptitude here |
| 19:13.38 | linuxthefish | is there some database i can edit to tell apt-get to stop messing with Skype? |
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| 19:14.22 | Stummi | no, just fix the actual underlaying problem |
| 19:14.47 | Stummi | maybe the skype-package is just broken too, since its a 3rd party app, no one knows |
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| 19:16.17 | somiaj | skype depends on pulseaudio, and you need to have all the libaries correctly installed for it to be happy |
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| 19:17.04 | linuxthefish | ah gdebi is amazing |
| 19:17.13 | linuxthefish | all fixed now |
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| 19:17.50 | linuxthefish | what packages does debian 8 need for sound to work? apt-get decided that the sound packages were not important and removed those also but i can't find the names |
| 19:18.14 | Stummi | have you tried the aptitude resolver? |
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| 19:18.36 | Stummi | its works more intuitive in such situations IMHO |
| 19:19.10 | Stummi | especially the TUI one. If it suggests a solution including removing skype, just set this bit to "reject" and switch to the next one |
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| 19:21.11 | linuxthefish | o i wish i knew about that before, thanks Stummi |
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| 19:21.45 | droopy | I have an SSL question |
| 19:22.14 | droopy | On GeoTrust.com I get 'The CSR you generated is designed to work with the following URL: https://website.com ' |
| 19:22.18 | majestiic | greycat I still cant... I opened the port I set in sshd config and connected by the public IP sure it works. But connectin to the internal IP on my desktop pc does not work and it does from my laptop. The thing is when I connect to OpenVPN I can connect to it from the laptop (with the ip from the tunnel) but not from the desktop |
| 19:22.28 | droopy | Does this mean it will work for my website which actually lives at https://www.website.com? |
| 19:22.47 | linuxthefish | droopy normally yes |
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| 19:23.01 | linuxthefish | www. is normally added as an alternate dns name or whatever it's called |
| 19:23.34 | greycat | majestiic: I don't understand what you're saying. Your server has a public AND an internal IP and you want the desktop box to connect to both of them, and only one of them works? But from the laptop, both IPs work? |
| 19:23.37 | somiaj | droopy: depends on the actual cert. Some are not designed to work on subdomains, some are designed to work on some subdomains, some work for all subdomains. But yes it is common for them to work with www.foo |
| 19:23.52 | majestiic | greycat Yes exactly |
| 19:24.07 | droopy | linuxthefish / somiaj: Thanks buds |
| 19:24.21 | greycat | majestiic: Sounds like a firewalling question. Is there a router/firewall somewhere that directs the internal IPs by magic? |
| 19:24.23 | majestiic | In fact none works right now when I connected the server to OpenVPN on my desktop box, but on my laptop it all works |
| 19:24.50 | greycat | And if OpenVPN is involved in this AT ALL, I'm done. I don't know it. |
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| 19:25.15 | majestiic | No it happened without OpenVPN, I could not connect via the internal IP of the server on my desktop box |
| 19:25.38 | majestiic | What does fail2ban do? Could it have something to do with it? |
| 19:25.41 | greycat | Can you ping the internal IP? Can you telnet to it? |
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| 19:26.11 | greycat | fail2ban parses sshd log files (auth.log?) and uses some heuristic to possibly block IP addresses that have multiple failures |
| 19:26.25 | greycat | Can you throw any more random moving pieces into the problem? |
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| 19:26.41 | somiaj | and it isn't uncommon for it to ban the admin, so it is nice to have an alternate way to the server in case it does. |
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| 19:28.13 | majestiic | greycat Not really, pinging the internal IP of the server from my desktop box results in "request time out" and from laptop I succeed to ping it |
| 19:28.38 | majestiic | Would you know how to "disable" fail2ban? |
| 19:29.48 | majestiic | I wrote "fail2ban-client stop" but I just get "unable to contact server. Is it running?" So I guess its not on anyways |
| 19:29.55 | greycat | If *PING* times out then it's definitely an issue at a lower level than sshd. |
| 19:30.02 | greycat | Could be routing, firewall, etc. |
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| 19:31.49 | leolrrj | how can I add this command to the startup? sudo /usr/local/freeswitch/bin/freeswitch -nc |
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| 19:32.08 | greycat | leolrrj: put it in /etc/rc.local (before exit 0) and get rid of the sudo |
| 19:32.20 | SynrGy | and fix the horrible violation of FHS |
| 19:32.27 | SynrGy | :) |
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| 19:32.30 | SynrGy | !fhs |
| 19:32.30 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 19:32.34 | greycat | FHS says nothing about /usr/local |
| 19:32.46 | SynrGy | no? i thought it did |
| 19:32.50 | somiaj | does systemd honor rc.local by default? I thought it wasn't parsing that script by default. |
| 19:32.57 | SynrGy | /usr/local/randomdirectory/bin seems broken |
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| 19:33.01 | greycat | somiaj: jessie still runs rc.local, yes |
| 19:33.02 | SynrGy | use /opt for that |
| 19:33.33 | somiaj | SynrGy: isn't that exactly what stow or check-install will do (well they then link stuff to /usr/local/bin so it is in PATH) |
| 19:34.18 | SynrGy | i think polluting /usr/local with all-in-one-dir stuff just looks horrible |
| 19:34.23 | SynrGy | maybe this is just me being anal |
| 19:34.30 | greycat | It's just you. |
| 19:34.33 | SynrGy | and /opt is designed exactly for that |
| 19:34.45 | SynrGy | oh well. i'll shut up :) |
| 19:34.59 | linuxthefish | is there a mode in aptitude or apt-get that will never let it remove any packages? |
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| 19:35.34 | greycat | "not being root" would achieve that, but it has a few other side effects |
| 19:35.37 | spacebug^ | Fresh install om Debian 8.2 woth GDM and Gnome. If I set num lock to activate on startup (using either gsettings or numlockx for example), then num lock is activated when I login. But as soon as I press CTRL or WIN etc num lock LED is turned off but the num lock function is still on. This does not happen if I login to Mate desktop so it seems to be a Gnome specific issue, though many people |
| 19:35.37 | spacebug^ | seem to have issue also with Unity and KDE |
| 19:36.21 | greycat | Burn All DEs. |
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| 19:38.22 | majestiic | greycat what are your folders in "/etc/network" except interfaces? |
| 19:38.33 | hassoon | is there some customized deian version for family usage you guys? where the user does not have to mess with root privileges when he/she needs to install programs for example ? |
| 19:38.38 | hassoon | or ubuntu would suffice ? |
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| 19:39.31 | greycat | /etc/network/if-down.d/ /etc/network/if-post-down.d/ /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ /etc/network/if-up.d/ /etc/network/interfaces.d/ /etc/network/run/ |
| 19:39.41 | greycat | interfaces is not a directory. it's a file. |
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| 19:41.32 | somiaj | hassoon: I can't think of any debian based system that would allow a user to install packages without root privlages. |
| 19:41.46 | somiaj | hassoon: this doens't mean the user can't install software in $HOME and run it from there. |
| 19:42.12 | hassoon | somiaj: yeah i meant with the least root involvement |
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| 19:44.44 | hiya | Do you think Debian Stable would offer good performance on i5-4th Gen Laptop? |
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| 19:45.02 | hassoon | hiya: much more that 'good' |
| 19:45.03 | greycat | You'd care more about the video chipset than the CPU. |
| 19:45.09 | hassoon | ^ |
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| 19:45.26 | hiya | It is Intel HD 4400 graphics |
| 19:46.05 | hassoon | greycat: meh, what would haswell i5 come up ith, regardless to the builtin powerful-enough hd4400 gpu |
| 19:46.28 | hassoon | *up with |
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| 19:46.47 | hassoon | i mean, an intel hd4400 alone is pretty fine |
| 19:47.21 | greycat | The question is whether the chipset is well supported by the jessie drivers, or by the jessie-backports drivers. |
| 19:47.32 | greycat | I'm not an expert on individual chipsets. |
| 19:47.40 | hassoon | greycat: it is, by the jessie drivers alone |
| 19:47.44 | hassoon | i have it |
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| 19:48.52 | hassoon | greycat: but yeah sir, back in the wheezy's latest days, i recall the gpu not functioning as it should be |
| 19:49.00 | hassoon | when i bought the pc in february 2015 |
| 19:49.15 | hassoon | few months before the release of jessie |
| 19:49.24 | greycat | I don't doubt it. |
| 19:49.46 | simonlnu | bah. my i915 kms is bugging out.. first time i've seen this. |
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| 19:50.01 | simonlnu | should i reboot with nokms? |
| 19:50.16 | hassoon | what's nokms |
| 19:50.26 | simonlnu | first time ever with this thing, or ever. |
| 19:50.35 | hiya | hassoon, you have a i5 4th gen laptop? |
| 19:50.39 | simonlnu | kernel boot param... not sure exact syntax |
| 19:50.51 | hassoon | hiya: an i3 4th gen one in fact |
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| 19:52.43 | simonlnu | nomodeset, not nokms |
| 19:52.43 | linuxthefish | wow aptitude really is greay |
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| 19:52.47 | linuxthefish | great* |
| 19:53.01 | mintusrii8 | Hello. |
| 19:53.10 | mintusrii8 | Any help installing Debian on a Chromebox? |
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| 20:02.28 | simonlnu | rebooted the laptop... very strange behaviour from this thing. |
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| 20:04.16 | foul_owl | How do I manually release a dhcp lease from the dhcp server? Running dhcpd for my dhcp server. |
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| 20:05.28 | somiaj | foul_owl: do you use dhclient? dhclient -r I think should do this. |
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| 20:06.10 | somiaj | foul_owl: http://askubuntu.com/questions/151958/how-to-make-dhclient-forget-its-last-dhcp-lease has some advise for dhclient |
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| 20:08.19 | simonlnu | disabled the last kernel related thing i did, which was that iffy brother fax driver |
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| 20:09.00 | foul_owl | I should run dhclient -r on my dhcp server? |
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| 20:09.18 | winterss | fuck i hate holdiay |
| 20:09.22 | winterss | no one give a fuck |
| 20:09.26 | foul_owl | That's my confusion |
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| 20:09.39 | leolrrj | -what this command does? chmod -R o-rwx |
| 20:09.42 | leolrrj | o-rwx ? |
| 20:09.45 | greycat | why would running a client on a server...? |
| 20:09.58 | greycat | leolrrj: removes the rwx bits from the "other" permissions |
| 20:10.04 | somiaj | foul_owl: usually the lease is stored by the client and that is what you want to release it. |
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| 20:10.26 | foul_owl | Ah, well in my case the clients have been hundreds of test vms, long since nuked |
| 20:10.29 | leolrrj | greycat: how can I revert this? I had runned it in some folders and now I have some problems in my application |
| 20:10.51 | greycat | leolrrj: There is no magic undo button for file system changes. |
| 20:10.55 | somiaj | foul_owl: so your dhcp server is holding leases to dead clients and you want your dhcp server to release them so it can assign those ip's to other clients? |
| 20:11.14 | foul_owl | Exactly! |
| 20:11.17 | greycat | leolrrj: do you know what the file and directory permissions are *supposed* to be? |
| 20:11.29 | leolrrj | greycat: yeah.. it's only one directory of my entire application |
| 20:11.44 | greycat | leolrrj: well, then set the permissions to what they should be. |
| 20:11.52 | mintusrii8 | I need Debian Linux on a Chromebox. |
| 20:11.54 | mintusrii8 | Any help? |
| 20:12.02 | leolrrj | greycat: what's a default permission set? 644 ? |
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| 20:12.13 | somiaj | foul_owl: I think you have to be careful here to ensure you don't release leases on active clients. But I'm unsure, I would look up your paticular dhcp server and ask it how to release leases (or maybe just decrease the time you send a lease) |
| 20:12.14 | greycat | leolrrj: You said you know what they are supposed to be for your application. |
| 20:12.21 | somiaj | foul_owl: what dhcp server are you using? |
| 20:12.43 | leolrrj | greycat: oh no... I was thinking that you asked me the directory... :/ |
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| 20:13.03 | greycat | If you actually were lying and you DON'T know, it MIGHT *!!* be safe to set directories to 755 and files to 644. But only if those files are supposed to be world readable (no passwords in them, etc.). |
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| 20:13.31 | mintusrii8 | Folks, this is the official debian support channel. |
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| 20:13.44 | ws2k3 | i have a debian 7.9 system and i have a very strange issue. the load of my system is allways 0 |
| 20:13.55 | greycat | ws2k3: Congratulations. |
| 20:13.56 | mintusrii8 | Is there no obligation to helping a user get Debian going on her Chromebox? |
| 20:14.08 | filePeter | ws2k3: What does âtopâ or âps auxâ say? |
| 20:14.23 | foul_owl | Yes indeed I don't want to release leases on production servers... |
| 20:14.28 | filePeter | ws2k3: any suspicious processes? |
| 20:14.31 | foul_owl | dhcpd is the dhcp server |
| 20:15.26 | ws2k3 | filePeter i have this machine into production and all my proces are running fine the entire machine is doing just fine. only the strange thing is the load is allways 0 |
| 20:15.41 | greycat | would have expected a DHCP server to forcefully release non-expired leases from absentee clients on a least-recently-used basis. |
| 20:16.01 | mintusrii8 | Look: |
| 20:16.03 | mintusrii8 | "Umm, I understand cloud computing. It's used to route everything through Google's servers so that you never even have to know they are stealing your data." |
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| 20:16.37 | ws2k3 | filePeter the machine has 16 cpu cores and all the cores are running around 20 to 40 % so the servers is actualy doing alot of stuff. and all my other servers that do the same stuff(multiple nodes in cluster) are having loads between 8 and 16 only this machine is allways 0 |
| 20:16.49 | mintusrii8 | I need to get Chrome off my Chromebox ASAP |
| 20:16.52 | somiaj | foul_owl: https://www.marcomc.com/2011/01/how-to-flush-the-dhcp-server-lease-cache/ -- I found this, but it will mean any active leases will be forgotten as well. |
| 20:16.55 | mintusrii8 | and replaced with Debian |
| 20:16.57 | leolrrj | greycat: what's the command to change every directory for 755 and every file for 644? |
| 20:17.08 | greycat | mintusrii8: and what problem did you encounter while trying to do that? |
| 20:17.11 | foul_owl | Hmm |
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| 20:17.25 | foul_owl | I'm also wondering what "flushing" means vs "releasing" |
| 20:17.27 | greycat | leolrrj: find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} + ; find . -type f -exec chmod 644 {} + |
| 20:17.33 | dionysus69 | please explain to me why I might be getting this on resume from hibernation. https://gist.github.com/webzorg/bfea833f4348a49290f1 |
| 20:17.40 | mintusrii8 | My bf got the Chromebox for me. I don't know how to change CHROME for DEBIAN. |
| 20:18.25 | simonlnu | mintusrii8: do you know the architecture? sounds like an arm or arm64 box |
| 20:18.40 | greycat | Is it this? http://promos.asus.com/us/chrome-os/chromebox/ |
| 20:18.50 | somiaj | foul_owl: you may need to modify /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf and reduce your default-lease-time and max-lease-time so you don't run into this issue again once you manually release all your leases. |
| 20:19.01 | mintusrii8 | simoninu, Intel. |
| 20:19.11 | leolrrj | greycat: do you know the command that I change from drwxr-sr-x to drwxrwsr-x ? |
| 20:19.11 | mintusrii8 | It's an HP Chromebox with Intel architecture. |
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| 20:19.15 | simonlnu | l not i, but ok |
| 20:19.23 | greycat | leolrrj: chmod 2775 |
| 20:19.24 | somiaj | foul_owl: I'm able to find various bits of info in google, not sure what works best for your situation |
| 20:19.43 | simonlnu | should be easy-ish with debootstrap or debtakeover or such |
| 20:20.04 | mintusrii8 | I don't know how to do any of that. |
| 20:20.07 | mintusrii8 | Any instructions on the Net? |
| 20:20.14 | simonlnu | wiki.debian.org |
| 20:20.22 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Chromebook%2014 |
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| 20:20.36 | simonlnu | ah even better :) |
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| 20:21.29 | paul_grozav | hello, does Debian support cgroups ? |
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| 20:21.45 | ws2k3 | paul_grozav as far as i know jessie does wheezy does not |
| 20:21.56 | greycat | In jessie, yes. |
| 20:22.14 | foul_owl | somiaj: Sadly the lease time value is outside my control |
| 20:22.16 | paul_grozav | is there a documentation on this? |
| 20:22.29 | foul_owl | I'm not really in a position to change that :/ |
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| 20:22.59 | paul_grozav | greycat , ws2k3 : do I need the systemd version of Debian? is there a tutorial? |
| 20:23.00 | mintusrii8 | greycat, Very good, but frankly it looks intimidating. |
| 20:23.18 | mintusrii8 | greycat, Do I need Debian on a USB drive? |
| 20:23.18 | somiaj | foul_owl: I don't see a nice way to clean up the leases unless you have info about the leases out there. There are ways to flush all the leases, but this could effect currently running machines on the network. And I do not know enough to give you any good advise. |
| 20:23.25 | greycat | paul_grozav: jessie uses systemd by default, yes. That can be changed, but really, if you're asking about cgroups, you should be able to handle systemd. |
| 20:23.45 | greycat | mintusrii8: I have no experience with "chromebox"es. |
| 20:23.54 | greycat | I didn't even know there was more than one of 'em. |
| 20:24.22 | mintusrii8 | http://www.amazon.com/review/ROFGLQ90N2W3C/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00IT1WJZQ#wasThisHelpful |
| 20:24.36 | mintusrii8 | They talk here about installing Linux on them. |
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| 20:25.03 | greycat | If it boots from a USB device and acts like a standard PC after that, then it shouldn't be terribly hard. |
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| 20:26.39 | paul_grozav | greycat , ws2k3 : Do you guys know of any documentation on cgroups in jessie? |
| 20:27.04 | greycat | paul_grozav: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:27.14 | mintusrii8 | How to get the Debian on a USB drive? |
| 20:27.23 | mintusrii8 | Can I have it shipped to my home? |
| 20:27.42 | greycat | !tell mintusrii8 about install debian |
| 20:27.43 | paul_grozav | greycat : share CPU equally between users instead of processes |
| 20:27.52 | mintusrii8 | How much space does Debian take up on a USB drive? |
| 20:28.08 | mintusrii8 | My existing USB drive has 128 MB of space I believe. |
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| 20:28.51 | simonlnu | netinst is around 180 if not more |
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| 20:29.29 | simonlnu | mintusrii8: i use a debian iso from my rooted android to boot / install stuff, via drivedroid |
| 20:29.46 | greycat | amd64 netinst image is 258998272 bytes according to wget --spider -S |
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| 20:30.28 | greycat | i386 netinst is 330301440 (!) |
| 20:31.19 | paul_grozav | Sorry, I have to go now. Thank you so much for your help ! |
| 20:31.31 | simonlnu | my god, debian is getting bloated :P |
| 20:34.02 | eb0t | just use gentoo |
| 20:34.05 | eb0t | slim |
| 20:34.30 | eb0t | debian is great but i would only use it on a server..but then again on a server would probably opt for centos now |
| 20:34.38 | mintusrii8 | How about LinuxMint, combing the best of debian with the best of gentoo |
| 20:34.48 | mintusrii8 | in a slick, minimalist package? |
| 20:34.51 | simonlnu | eb0t: offtopic |
| 20:34.54 | eb0t | i mean i used debian for a couple years |
| 20:35.00 | eb0t | but i used wheezy |
| 20:35.10 | eb0t | and some of hte packages were just outdated |
| 20:35.54 | eb0t | so ok for servers fileservers and rock solid stuff where you dont need latest thing...but apart from that on desktop gentoo or arch linux are the best |
| 20:36.38 | simonlnu | !ot |
| 20:36.39 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 20:36.54 | eb0t | go to bed simonlnu |
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| 20:37.07 | simonlnu | eb0t: be polite |
| 20:37.14 | eb0t | ill be whatever i like mate |
| 20:37.31 | simonlnu | tell that to the ops |
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| 20:37.38 | eb0t | no im telling it to you |
| 20:37.59 | eb0t | i havent got an problem with the ops |
| 20:38.21 | simonlnu | ignores eb0t and moves along |
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| 20:38.31 | eb0t | thank heavens for that |
| 20:38.52 | eb0t | hopes he keeps me on ignore |
| 20:38.55 | somiaj | eb0t: If you don't have anything constructive to say that is on-topic, please keep it to yourself. |
| 20:39.13 | eb0t | somiaj you can just type /ignore |
| 20:39.24 | eb0t | if your palate cant take me |
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| 20:39.33 | greycat | eb0t: This is your final warning. Stop. |
| 20:39.56 | somiaj | mintusrii8: as for suggesting different distros. Most here support and would suggested debian as it works just fine as a desktop os. But depending on use case or what you want, you should come to your own decision which os you want to use. |
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| 20:48.59 | abrotman | that'll work! |
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| 21:05.33 | welpo | I've just attempted to install Debian alongside my Windows 10 installation. I used a separate HDD for it, set up the partitioning properly and it detected the Windows bootloader before setting up GRUB. It asked me where to install GRUB and suggested "the first hard drive". I chose the HDD which has the Windows 10 install. When I boot up my computer now it will load GRUB and only show Debian and Debian advanced options. No sign of Windows anywhere at all. |
| 21:05.33 | welpo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.17 | axc1298 | welpo: on my friend's computer if you start hitting escape as soon as you power on, a boot option dialogue will appear and it has debian and windows listed |
| 21:07.19 | axc1298 | try that |
| 21:07.35 | welpo | let me do that |
| 21:07.49 | somiaj | welpo: log into debian, install the package os-prober. Run update-grub, and see if it detects your windows install and gives you the appropriate boot option. |
| 21:07.50 | welpo | is the boot option dialogue GRUB's? |
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| 21:08.19 | somiaj | I think it depends on if you are using mbr (legacy) or efi boot. Efi boot has a pregrub place you can select which efi file to boot from. |
| 21:08.25 | axc1298 | no it's before grub but do what somiaj said too to try and fix it permanently |
| 21:08.39 | axc1298 | yes this was on efi |
| 21:08.49 | somiaj | yea mbr won't have that feature. |
| 21:08.51 | welpo | I'll try now |
| 21:09.58 | welpo | ok Windows is there, so I think it's not too bad (in os-prober's output). I'll run update-grub now |
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| 21:10.18 | welpo | update-grub found Windows too. great |
| 21:10.25 | axc1298 | nice |
| 21:10.28 | welpo | rebooting now. |
| 21:10.30 | welpo | crosses fingers |
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| 21:11.26 | welpo | imany thanks, somiaj |
| 21:11.57 | welpo | I was googling and finding some info but it wasn't very specific or looked very reliable, so I figured it'd be best to ask here before doing anything. |
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| 21:16.49 | woshty | How can I flush libcddb cache? |
| 21:17.14 | welpo | Now I'm having an odd issue. My Logitech mouse will move extremely slowly on Debian and it won't even detect the clicks (left, right nor middle). Logitech sadly doesn't provide any drivers for Linux and I couldn't find anything with the logitech + debian/linux + drivers or anything similar. Any clues? |
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| 21:17.33 | welpo | (If it matters: I experience the same behaviour on Windows until the drivers/software for the mouse load) |
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| 21:19.37 | axc1298 | welpo: can you increase the mouse acceleration at least? |
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| 21:20.09 | axc1298 | the tracking speed |
| 21:20.42 | axc1298 | oh you can't even click? weird |
| 21:20.45 | welpo | I guess I could using my keyboard, but it won't fix the clicking issue (main concern) |
| 21:21.38 | axc1298 | i'd search for whatever model mouse it is and linux to see if others have gotten it to work |
| 21:22.02 | welpo | yep, I did that, and only got some specific tips on how to use the extra buttons (so it looks like the main ones work just fine for them) |
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| 21:31.01 | somiaj | welpo: Good, the scripts usually do a good job at detecting thigns for you. (: |
| 21:31.46 | SleepySKies | Hello. I'm here requesting help with uninstalling Java SE Runtime Environment 1.7.0 so I can upgrade to Java 8 [1.8 |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | SleepySKies: update-java-alternatives ? |
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| 21:32.52 | somiaj | SleepySKies: how did you install java 1.7.0 in the first place? |
| 21:33.29 | SleepySKies | The thing is I installed Java 1.8 less than a week ago, and just recently it seemed to revert back. I can't imagine how that is even possible. |
| 21:34.03 | teraflops | SleepySKies: somiaj's question is relevant |
| 21:34.51 | SleepySKies | Following this tutorial in the past I installed Java 8 to my recollection: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html |
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| 21:39.40 | DJ_Bitcon | is there any GUI implementation for 7zip ? |
| 21:39.47 | DJ_Bitcon | in repos |
| 21:40.27 | abrotman | what's your DE? |
| 21:40.59 | DJ_Bitcon | lxde |
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| 21:42.32 | blind | I use xarchiver DJ_Bitcon |
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| 21:43.17 | SleepySKies | Still looking for help in regards to install JRE 1.8 on a headless Debian 7.9 Server |
| 21:43.17 | teraflops | DJ_Bitcon: or fille-roller |
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| 21:43.51 | teraflops | SleepySKies: youre using 3rd party repos not from debian |
| 21:43.55 | blind | file-roller needed so many dependencies I opted to not go with it.. |
| 21:44.35 | teraflops | xarchiver then as blind says |
| 21:44.48 | blind | including nautilus, wpasupplicant, ntfs-3g... why on Earth... |
| 21:44.57 | DJ_Bitcon | not sure why xarchiver does not extract .rar files |
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| 21:45.12 | blind | xarchiver works with rar files. |
| 21:45.16 | DJ_Bitcon | is that supported? |
| 21:45.17 | DJ_Bitcon | humz |
| 21:45.31 | DJ_Bitcon | it always throws an empty error when i try to extract a .rar |
| 21:45.33 | blind | you may need to install 'unrar' - i think xarchiver is just a front-end |
| 21:45.37 | DJ_Bitcon | i have unrar bin |
| 21:46.01 | SleepySKies | teraflops: It is possible to uninstall Java 1.7 manually and manually reinstall Java 8, correct? |
| 21:46.05 | DJ_Bitcon | that's how i extracting .rar |
| 21:46.10 | DJ_Bitcon | via a shell |
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| 21:49.13 | DJ_Bitcon | is there any way to catch that error from xarchiver? |
| 21:49.29 | teraflops | SleepySKies: i do not know, I do not mix repos |
| 21:49.29 | DJ_Bitcon | when i try to extract .rar, it throws an empty error |
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| 21:49.41 | teraflops | DJ_Bitcon: install unrar |
| 21:49.58 | DJ_Bitcon | teraflops, <DJ_Bitcon> i have unrar bin |
| 21:50.05 | teraflops | ah heh |
| 21:50.06 | greycat | Then file a bug report. |
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| 21:51.16 | DJ_Bitcon | well i probably should just update to stable |
| 21:51.29 | DJ_Bitcon | from wheezy |
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| 21:55.19 | greycat | You mean, how to *get to* a text console? Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2, etc. |
| 21:55.20 | teraflops | ctrl+alt+Fwhatever? |
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| 21:56.06 | teraflops | wallbroken: if you cant blame your gpu or its driver |
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| 22:12.29 | dan89 | hey guys, I have a debian based distro configured to use a static ip address but it still gets an address from dhcp. so it ends up with two addresses. What might be causing it to query dhcp even tho it successfully uses a static ip? |
| 22:12.36 | SleepySKies | Seem to have gotten the old version removed and a new version installed using: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-manually-install-oracle-java-on-a-debian-or-ubuntu-vps |
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| 22:13.42 | somiaj | dan89: what do you use to configure your interface? Could it be you have two different thigns both configuring your interface? |
| 22:13.55 | somiaj | dan89: oh debian based, you are on the wrong spot. |
| 22:14.06 | surf | hi guys I am on deb jessie on an intel hashwell proc with hd4400. I experience terrible tearing both in videos (vlc) and in online navigation. Any clues?? |
| 22:14.06 | MekaTronik | dan89: is dhclient running? |
| 22:14.14 | teraflops | ,v java-package |
| 22:14.16 | judd | Package: java-package on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.53~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.56; sid/contrib: 0.59; stretch/contrib: 0.59 |
| 22:14.17 | somiaj | dan89: we can't guess what changes have been made that cuold be doing this. |
| 22:14.44 | somiaj | surf: lets start with looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what graphics drivers are actually loaded/detected. |
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| 22:15.27 | dan89 | Loshki: somiaj, it's raspbian to be specific. as far as I know the nic is configured through my interfaces file |
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| 22:15.49 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 22:15.49 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 22:16.07 | teraflops | somiaj: give a try to tear-free |
| 22:16.11 | teraflops | ups |
| 22:16.13 | teraflops | srr |
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| 22:16.36 | teraflops | surf: give try to tear-free |
| 22:16.51 | dan89 | I am just asking general things that might cause it. sounds like i might need to check if a dhclient service is running |
| 22:17.03 | somiaj | dan89: they have their own support channel. We can't really guess what is going on or what configuration/package changes they have made. But check for configuration file or other things that are configuing the network. |
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| 22:17.40 | teraflops | surf: also, what DM/WM are you using, and does it use a compositor? |
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| 22:18.54 | surf | teraflops, ehm what is that? I'm running gnome 3 |
| 22:19.58 | surf | somiaj, i915 |
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| 22:23.37 | somiaj | surf: you don't see any warnings about kms driver not found, no dri, or anything like that in the log file? YOu can also check the output of xvinfo, glxinfo or dmesg for things that look out of place. |
| 22:24.03 | The_Ball | in /etc/network/interfaces what's the opposite of "auto"? I would like an interface to stay down/unconfigured |
| 22:24.08 | somiaj | surf: there is also a newer kernel (4.2) and newer intel graphics driver, xserver-xorg-video-intel in jessie-backports |
| 22:24.20 | somiaj | The_Ball: just comment out or remove the auto line |
| 22:24.27 | surf | somiaj, I will investigate a bit further |
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| 22:27.49 | The_Ball | somiaj, does that hold true if there are no references at all to an interface? Or will a unreferenced interface be brought up with dhcp? |
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| 22:30.30 | teraflops | surf: so using gnome, it has builtin conpositor, then maybe tear-free worths a try |
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| 22:31.40 | dan89 | somiaj: disabling the dhcp client service seems to have fixed my issue, thanks |
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| 22:34.23 | surf | teraflops, could you explain me (or point me to a reference) for this tear-free? |
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| 22:42.36 | dionysus69 | when I am booting i get some warnings during the boot process before the loging screen, where do I check what was written during that boot process in logs? |
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| 22:45.46 | teraflops | surf: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics it works for debian too |
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| 22:47.18 | teraflops | surf: in my case I dropped a 20-intel.conf snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with http://ix.io/dOJ |
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| 22:49.27 | teraflops | surf: that said, tear-free works for some people and is useless for others |
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| 22:51.38 | poffs | hey is there a way to make vertical rather than horizontal tables in libreoffice writer? I mean, i want to make a wanted ad to print out, and i want to put a bunch of phone numbers at the bottom, but i want them to be sideways |
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| 22:53.19 | afidegnum | hello, pls how can I remane a file name with lots of space in it? i. e "My Current Filename.doc" |
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| 22:53.59 | axc1298 | right click and select rename |
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| 22:55.44 | Night-Shade | afidegnum: assuming command line, either put quotes round it: "my file name here .doc" or put a \ before the space ie my\ file\ name\ here\ .doc |
| 22:56.01 | afidegnum | ok |
| 22:56.08 | Night-Shade | and use mv to move the file to a new name |
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| 22:56.45 | Night-Shade | eg: mv "filename with spaces.txt" filename_without_spaces.txt |
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| 23:01.36 | surf | teraflops, thx I'll check it out! |
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| 23:10.47 | somiaj | The_Ball: the auto flag triggers the networking init script to automtically bring up the interface with ifup. If there is no auto flag the interface will not be brought up. (Note you can have alias as well as actual interface definitions in the interfaces file). |
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| 23:11.13 | somiaj | The_Ball: so without the auto flag, the init script will ignore any configuration and not run ifup on the interface leaving it for you to do if you want it brought up. |
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| 23:12.40 | teraflops | surf: np |
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| 23:21.12 | amundsen | hi |
| 23:21.36 | bodhi_zazen | Just upgraded to jessie , but when I rebooted I was locked out of ssh |
| 23:21.48 | bodhi_zazen | the ssh server is no longer accepting the key |
| 23:22.10 | bodhi_zazen | I could not find any obvious documentation on the in the upgrade notes |
| 23:22.20 | bodhi_zazen | did ssh key security change somehow ? |
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| 23:22.49 | marioxcc | bodhi_zazen: Did you copy your old private key into the new installation (in case it was necessary)? |
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| 23:23.13 | bodhi_zazen | it was an upgrade rather then a fresh install |
| 23:23.29 | teraflops | bodhi_zazen: from outside? what does it say ssh -vv? |
| 23:23.41 | at0m | if they key was there, it should be accepted across upgrades. unless your key violates new ssh-blacklist or something |
| 23:24.04 | bodhi_zazen | is there a way to see if the key violate the ssh-blacklist ? |
| 23:24.07 | at0m | ssh has prooven pretty resilient to me across upgrades |
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| 23:24.39 | somiaj | bodhi_zazen: is this only for root vs other users or have you tried? |
| 23:24.41 | bodhi_zazen | yea, I did the upgrade over ssh so the key was working and I know the pw , lol |
| 23:24.45 | bodhi_zazen | only root |
| 23:24.48 | at0m | ,v openssh-blacklist |
| 23:24.49 | judd | Package: openssh-blacklist on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.1; wheezy: 0.4.1+nmu1; stretch: 0.4.1+nmu1; jessie: 0.4.1+nmu1; sid: 0.4.1+nmu1 |
| 23:25.32 | at0m | bodhi_zazen: and your key is the only key with access? do you have a control panel or physical access? |
| 23:25.53 | bodhi_zazen | key is the only access |
| 23:26.02 | somiaj | bodhi_zazen: I do know there was a change in the default config to disable root login over ssh, if you switched to the default config maybe this is the issue. |
| 23:26.11 | bodhi_zazen | remote server, control panel is blocked by iptables |
| 23:26.30 | at0m | somiaj: default config allows root ssh right? |
| 23:26.33 | bodhi_zazen | I ssh in and add a iptables rule to grant access to web console |
| 23:26.47 | at0m | but should accept authorized_keys, too |
| 23:26.48 | somiaj | at0m: I think it was changed in the jessie release. |
| 23:26.54 | bodhi_zazen | permit_root_login was set to without-password |
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| 23:27.08 | somiaj | I forget if it just disabled password login as root, or root log in all together |
| 23:27.22 | amundsen | i've got a laptop with nvidia optimus technology. It works fine with nouveau driver but i'd like to use the proprietary drivers so i've tried at least 5 different manuals but none of them worked |
| 23:27.41 | somiaj | ahh no there is PermitRootLogin without-password, so that probabaly isn't the issue |
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| 23:28.19 | bodhi_zazen | my authorized keys file was over written (just got access with my ticket) |
| 23:28.34 | bodhi_zazen | cat: .ssh/authorized_keys: No such file or directory |
| 23:28.36 | bodhi_zazen | lol |
| 23:28.39 | at0m | bodhi_zazen: this won't fix your current problem, but ssh does not disconnect existing sessions over upgrades, and so during upgrade i open second session to verify if sshd takes new connections. if that doesn't work, i fix the problem from existing session and don't disconnect till i've sorted the config. again, just for the future. |
| 23:29.44 | at0m | bodhi_zazen: if you can cat, you've ssh'd in? |
| 23:29.59 | at0m | oh via ticket |
| 23:30.05 | mtn | amundsen, have you read this one: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 23:31.54 | at0m | just out of curiosity, is there any other programs that allow binary upgrade while retaining connection, like irssi and ssh do? |
| 23:31.58 | amundsen | mtn, i just want to use the nvidia driver. dont want to switch |
| 23:32.03 | amundsen | thx anyway |
| 23:32.05 | at0m | !nvidia |
| 23:32.05 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:38.07 | linuxthefish | hi, how can i install lnl-genl on debian 8? |
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| 23:38.40 | linuxthefish | i installed the packages for it and my compiler knows it's installed, but can't find the library location |
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| 23:40.08 | oo_miguel | What happens in the background when I call "sudo shutdown -h" ? |
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| 23:42.00 | zykotick9 | oo_miguel: don't you need a now or delay at the end of shutdown command? /me can't really test right now ;) |
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| 23:43.13 | oo_miguel | I know the "now", but I want to undestand what it exactly does (with now, or without now) |
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| 23:43.58 | oo_miguel | like I wonder if without now. it sends a signal to all (or some?) processes to tell them , that soon something will happen etc.. |
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| 23:44.40 | oo_miguel | ah . without "now" it is like one miunute implicitly. |
| 23:45.07 | at0m | oo_miguel: iiuc, it goes through /etc/rc0.d/ and shuts these services down according to their numbers there http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/runlevels.htm |
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| 23:45.47 | zykotick9 | at0m: that's the pre-systemd answer right ;) |
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| 23:45.57 | fred1807 | So i just created a chanell to discuss what is the best linux distro. #whatdistro |
| 23:45.57 | at0m | like boot where it starts them, but in reverse and shutting them down |
| 23:46.05 | at0m | zykotick9: i have no idea :D |
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| 23:46.29 | at0m | zykotick9: so better to systemctl poweroff then? |
| 23:47.07 | zykotick9 | at0m: i doubt it's "better", i think "right now" it doesn't really matter. but systemctl is the future ;) |
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| 23:48.32 | at0m | zykotick9: well both work for me. and systemctl is way fast. mayb like systemd then. |
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| 23:49.08 | bodhi_zazen | at0m, the geeks at my coloco accessed the server and set a root pw and allowed root login |
| 23:49.16 | oo_miguel | at0m: Ok.. so ONE thing it does : sending some signals to the running "background" processes/demaons to tell them to stop. Does it wait for each process to stop, before calling the next one? |
| 23:49.33 | bodhi_zazen | so I ssh in and found somehow my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys was deleted |
| 23:50.09 | at0m | bodhi_zazen: bow that's something an upgrade would never do. upgrades don't touch ~/ |
| 23:50.13 | bodhi_zazen | transfered the key and it is working now, not sure how the authorized_keys was deleted , odd |
| 23:50.20 | at0m | s/bow/now |
| 23:50.50 | bodhi_zazen | agreed, that is why I was wondering if there was some change in ssh keys |
| 23:50.54 | bodhi_zazen | it is all good now |
| 23:51.16 | at0m | bodhi_zazen: even with changes in allowed keys, that file would not be touched. |
| 23:52.22 | at0m | bodhi_zazen: i'd look at the other folks with access and ask who deleted that file eh |
| 23:53.46 | bodhi_zazen | I am the only one with access to the machine |
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| 23:55.00 | bodhi_zazen | lost access when I rebooted into the 4,2 kernel |
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| 23:55.52 | teraflops | oo_miguel: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 ago 31 03:06 /sbin/shutdown -> /bin/systemctl |
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| 23:57.02 | oo_miguel | teraflops: ok, same in my case... |
| 23:57.19 | at0m | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root $date /sbin/shutdown -> /lib/molly-guard/molly-guard :³ |
| 23:57.20 | oo_miguel | teraflops: ah of course. it is debian :) |
| 23:57.23 | at0m | :> |
| 23:58.08 | at0m | molly-guard detects ssh session and asks for confirmation (hostname) when shutting down over ssh |
| 23:59.29 | oo_miguel | hmmm. but why does "shutdown -h" do something completely different than "systemctl -h" |
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