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| 00:01.12 | somiaj | EvilDMP: seems you also need the packag4e virtualenv (which is the actual tool, that is just the python3 module) |
| 00:01.44 | mniip | jelly, what if, due to religious preferences I don't want to use systemd |
| 00:01.50 | EvilDMP | somiaj: I have both installed, but virtualenv installs py2.7 virtualenvs |
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| 00:03.26 | jelly | mniip: then, of course, you read the release notes! |
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| 00:03.39 | mniip | damn |
| 00:03.59 | jelly | the release notes: Rome of Debian |
| 00:04.02 | somiaj | EvilDMP: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 00:04.28 | jelly | mniip: hint: 5.6. |
| 00:04.31 | EvilDMP | somiaj: Jessie |
| 00:05.12 | somiaj | EvilDMP: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/virtualenv -- that package does not depend on pytnon2.7, it depends on python3 |
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| 00:07.07 | jelly | mniip: you really want to read chapter 5 to avoid looking silly in here, and it's already too late to do the same with chapter 4 |
| 00:07.17 | EvilDMP | somiaj: well, I have it installed, but it creates python 2 virtualenvs... |
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| 00:08.21 | somiaj | EvilDMP: check the man page, maybe it can do both and just needs the correct flags sent to it. |
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| 00:08.50 | interest1ng | EvilDMP: so you can run virtualenv from the commandline as a simple "virtualenv"? Well then configure it |
| 00:09.10 | somiaj | EvilDMP: make sure you are running the correct script, 'which virtualenv', but from what I see, that package provides /usr/bin/virtualenv which is what you seem to need. I just have no experience with this other than looking at the packages. |
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| 00:10.59 | interest1ng | EvilDMP: I never needed to do it manually, but if you do virtualenv --python=python3 venv |
| 00:11.02 | interest1ng | it should do the trick |
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| 00:13.52 | EvilDMP | interest1ng: that's on a case-by-case basis? |
| 00:14.02 | interest1ng | yes |
| 00:14.10 | interest1ng | Make an alias if it bothers you |
| 00:14.58 | somiaj | this is probabaly because you don't want to change the default python to be 3, so it is probabaly running /usr/bin/python which should point to python2.7, changing this could have bad side effects. |
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| 00:23.04 | darkblue_b | Q. how to get Boost 1.54 all to a debian wheezy box |
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| 00:23.25 | darkblue_b | I already added the stock packages.. but of course, too old |
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| 00:24.36 | somiaj | darkblue_b: what is the name of the package you are interested in? |
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| 00:31.07 | gbps | basically just all different hosting companies |
| 00:31.24 | gbps | it's for ddos protection as i use it as a vpn |
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| 00:44.43 | somiaj | darkblue_b: please respond in the channel. |
| 00:44.58 | somiaj | ,v libboost-dev |
| 00:45.01 | judd | Package: libboost-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.42.0.1; wheezy: 1.49.0.1; jessie: 1.55.0.2; sid: 1.58.0.1; stretch: 1.58.0.1 |
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| 00:47.40 | paxcoder | any way to deep-search dependencies? |
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| 00:47.41 | somiaj | darkblue_b: You could try to backport boost1.55 (source package) from jessie, but that is all I can think of, backports have not been made. |
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| 00:47.51 | somiaj | paxcoder: what do you mean by that? |
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| 00:48.06 | paxcoder | somiaj: apt-cache depends recursively |
| 00:48.22 | eb0t | how do i make my machine pick up the new resolved.conf |
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| 00:48.47 | somiaj | darkblue_b: any reason why you need to stay on wheezy and can't upgrade to jessie if you need a newer libboost? |
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| 00:48.54 | Tom01__ | Are there any disadvantages in installing Debian testing? |
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| 00:49.20 | cast | Tom01__: ...yeah. it changes often, sometimes breaks, and people are less likely to help you |
| 00:49.23 | somiaj | Tom01__: besides it might be broken, or the software you are using may break during an upgrade, or it gets no security support, should I go on? |
| 00:49.37 | cast | it gets /some/ security support doesn't it? |
| 00:49.46 | paxcoder | Tom01__: there are less chances of people catching bugs and security issues than if you waited longer... |
| 00:49.56 | darkblue_b | somiaj: i have a wheezy systen here |
| 00:50.02 | Tom01__ | I see. I will install Debian-8 then. |
| 00:50.07 | somiaj | cast: only in terms of packages get uploaded to sid when there is a security fix, and this fix propagates to testing in 2-10 days. |
| 00:50.21 | somiaj | cast: provided there are no rc-bugs or dependency issues preventing this. |
| 00:50.40 | somiaj | darkblue_b: I'm saying anything keeping you on wheezy if you need a newer libboost, maybe upgrade to jessie. |
| 00:50.43 | cast | ahh, wasn't there a testing security team a while back? |
| 00:51.14 | somiaj | cast: not really. Ocasionally the sid -> testing process is spead up with very server security issues, but this is rare. |
| 00:51.21 | cast | i see |
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| 00:51.30 | somiaj | by default it isn't worth fixing the version in testing because it is just going to change. |
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| 00:51.40 | darkblue_b | I am 4-5 hours into configuring this system.. ansystem upgrade from wheezy to jessie sounds like a good chance of disaster to me |
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| 00:52.04 | somiaj | darkblue_b: well to get a enwer libboost in wheezy will require backporting the packages yourself, which may take a while (or not work) |
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| 00:52.21 | darkblue_b | I only need 1.54 not newer than that |
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| 00:52.53 | darkblue_b | looks for boost 1.54 sources |
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| 00:53.38 | paxcoder | Debian stable gives a taste of alternative history where "open core" is prevalent. ;) |
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| 00:54.26 | somiaj | darkblue_b: I think it would be easier to backport the 1.55 version from jessie |
| 00:54.41 | somiaj | darkblue_b: /msg dpkg ssb, and modify those instructions to backporting the source package https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/boost1.55 |
| 00:54.47 | somiaj | you might need boost-default from jessie as well |
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| 00:57.29 | paxcoder | somiaj: did you just ask me that question so i'd have to toil to rephrase it? |
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| 00:59.53 | somiaj | paxcoder: sorry, maybe look at apt-rdepends |
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| 01:00.49 | paxcoder | somiaj: thanks |
| 01:02.00 | Aebian | I got one SSD @128GB with Linux and a second SSD @250GB for Wincrap 10 but while trying to add the W10 SSD to Grub I get: grub-install: warning: File system `ntfs' doesn't support embedding. |
| 01:02.04 | Aebian | I tried also to check with "sudo fsck.msdos /dev/sdd1" that replied with fsck.fat 3.0.27 (2014-11-12) Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0. |
| 01:02.07 | Aebian | Anything else I can do? |
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| 01:05.49 | somiaj | alvesadrian: how are you trying to add this to grub? |
| 01:06.05 | somiaj | alvesadrian: if in debian, you should just need to install the package os-prober and then 'update-grub) |
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| 01:13.24 | darkblue_b | ok - I got 1.54 boost sources, built and installed, after removing completely every boost package |
| 01:13.34 | darkblue_b | I will proceed .. wish me luck ;-) |
| 01:13.37 | somiaj | !equivs |
| 01:13.38 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 01:13.49 | darkblue_b | next question - json_rpc_cpp .. any idea? |
| 01:13.58 | somiaj | darkblue_b: I still would have backported and then build .deb as opposed to other installing in /usr/local/ |
| 01:14.10 | darkblue_b | you are better at debian packages than I am :-) |
| 01:14.15 | somiaj | darkblue_b: but installing in /usr/local is fine, look at equivs if you have packages taht depend on libboost and you need to put equivs packages than I |
| 01:14.26 | somiaj | darkblue_b: I would have used that factoid and hoped apt would have automated the whole thign for me. |
| 01:14.37 | darkblue_b | ok sure - thank you for guidance |
| 01:14.39 | darkblue_b | next question - json_rpc_cpp .. any idea? |
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| 01:14.53 | darkblue_b | I did not see a package like that |
| 01:15.04 | filadome | can debian be installed to a m2 drive connected via PCIE adapter? |
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| 01:18.41 | darkblue_b | ok hm - found a page.. looking |
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| 01:25.03 | Aebian | somiaj: I will try thanks for the package |
| 01:25.32 | Aebian | os-prober is already the newest version. |
| 01:25.35 | Aebian | hmm |
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| 01:26.01 | somiaj | have you ran update-grub since you isntalled the windows drive? |
| 01:26.07 | Aebian | yes |
| 01:26.20 | somiaj | and it didn't detect your windows install? Using mbr or efi boot? |
| 01:27.05 | Aebian | it just detected a Windows Recovery Env. on a old HDD |
| 01:27.25 | Aebian | but the /dev/sdd1 nope |
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| 01:27.56 | filadome | does debian need to be reinstalled if a m2 PCI-e SSD is connected? |
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| 01:28.56 | Aebian | somiaj: second screen: http://i.imgur.com/GZU66jS.png |
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| 01:30.23 | Aebian | /dev/sdd1 2048 488394751 488392704 232.9G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
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| 01:31.43 | somiaj | Aebian: efi boot or legacy boot? |
| 01:32.31 | Aebian | somiaj: not sure tough I would say lefay. but I could reboot into setup. |
| 01:32.37 | Aebian | *legacy |
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| 01:33.41 | somiaj | Aebian: just making sure you are using the same booting (efi or legacy) for both oses |
| 01:33.49 | somiaj | seems strange to me it only finds the windows recover options |
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| 01:34.27 | Aebian | well I just check the bios lil quick irssi will stay here :b |
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| 01:40.34 | swift110-phone | Hey |
| 01:40.38 | Aebian | weird |
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| 01:41.00 | Aebian | my Linux SSDc is not available in BIOS but my windows SSD is |
| 01:41.11 | Aebian | if I witch to full UEFI my windows SSD is gone |
| 01:41.15 | Aebian | so I asume legacy |
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| 02:25.25 | eb0t | does anyone know of robust rock solid safe clean vpn service that i can attach to quite cheaply |
| 02:25.42 | eb0t | i hear the free ones are full of ads and that they are possibly owned by hackers |
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| 02:34.13 | swift110-phone | Hry |
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| 03:13.55 | Qwertie- | Does debian set a limit on the number of files a default user can make? |
| 03:14.29 | ZitZ | debian doesn't, the filesystem does, and it's a lot |
| 03:15.44 | Qwertie- | When I run "ulimit -Sn" I get 65536 though |
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| 03:17.18 | beepie | that's for processes |
| 03:17.29 | beepie | doesn't make sense to have that many files opened anyways |
| 03:17.50 | Qwertie- | Im just getting this error with transmission daemon "Error: Unable to save resume file: Too many open files" |
| 03:18.10 | ZitZ | what are you doing? |
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| 03:18.25 | Qwertie- | Downloading torrents |
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| 03:18.58 | Qwertie- | Some of them are working fine but a few have that error. The daemon is also segfaulting |
| 03:19.27 | ZitZ | is it a torrent of a ton of files? |
| 03:19.47 | markybob_ | ZitZ, doesn't really matter |
| 03:19.59 | markybob_ | Qwertie-, use ulimit -S -n 2048 (or whatever you want to set the new limit to) |
| 03:20.17 | markybob_ | Qwertie-, probably 4096 |
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| 03:20.47 | Qwertie- | Isnt that lower then what I already have though? |
| 03:21.08 | Qwertie- | Or is that the number of bits? |
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| 03:29.47 | ZitZ | i can't think of what that program is doing that it needs you to increase the size of your stack |
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| 03:34.33 | Gear | how do I install firefox from tar.gz ? |
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| 03:35.22 | maldicionchina | someone of debian-golang ? |
| 03:35.42 | Gear | ? |
| 03:36.29 | Gear | can .tar.gz be opened with "Packages" ? |
| 03:37.19 | markybob | Gear, why would you? tar -zxvf firefox.tar.gz |
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| 03:37.47 | markybob | Gear, http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 03:38.54 | p23454 | can someone tell me if it's possible to read the source code of commands ? for instance, ls command. |
| 03:39.35 | nkuttler | p23454: yes |
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| 03:39.38 | markybob | p23454, sure. apt-get source coreutils (for ls in particular) |
| 03:40.54 | p23454 | thanks. |
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| 03:57.34 | Gear | markybob: because of problems |
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| 03:57.38 | Gear | cheers |
| 04:00.53 | Gear | where are there gnome themes? |
| 04:01.38 | Gear | beige is the worst |
| 04:02.01 | Gear | 6 hours into gnome and it's nowhere near as customisable as KDE |
| 04:02.20 | markybob | Gear, i'm amazed you haven't been able to google that within 6 hours |
| 04:02.45 | markybob | Gear, we're here to help. not do everything for you. |
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| 04:06.12 | markybob | Gear, hint: you might want to install/use gnome-tweak-tool |
| 04:07.51 | Gear | that does bugger all |
| 04:08.05 | markybob | uh-huh |
| 04:08.17 | markybob | whatever that means |
| 04:08.52 | markybob | it's how you add user themes and do all these other things you say you can't figure out how to do in gnome |
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| 04:15.03 | somiaj | markybob: afiak Gear was running Kali anyways. |
| 04:15.15 | markybob | somiaj, great :/ |
| 04:15.25 | somiaj | he may have changed to run debian, but earlier he was running kali' |
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| 04:17.40 | moonpunter | in your menu file, is it a / or ; between categories. like is it Qt;Network or is it Qt/Network |
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| 04:22.38 | moonpunter | nvm: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html |
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| 04:28.37 | chomwitt | hi. in a new debian 8 installation in a vps 'man' is not found! how can that be? |
| 04:29.10 | nkuttler | chomwitt: ls -l /usr/bin/man |
| 04:29.36 | chomwitt | ls: cannot access /usr/bin/man: No such file or director |
| 04:29.50 | nkuttler | chomwitt: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:30.09 | chomwitt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:31.30 | markybob | chomwitt, that's not right. it's default. can you apt-get install man-db ? |
| 04:32.48 | chomwitt | E: Package 'man-db' has no installation candidate |
| 04:33.44 | simonlnu | chomwitt: update apt. that's broken. check your sources.list. |
| 04:33.57 | simonlnu | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:35.01 | chomwitt | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free , seems ok |
| 04:35.16 | simonlnu | first time i've heard of a running debian system not having man-db, it's almost as common as util-linux |
| 04:35.46 | nkuttler | it's not only that apt is broken, the hoster apparently also provided his local version of man. doesn't sound very.. reliable.. |
| 04:36.17 | simonlnu | yikes |
| 04:36.34 | simonlnu | if you have jessie, it should also have security in there |
| 04:36.44 | simonlnu | !security |
| 04:36.45 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 04:36.58 | markybob | anyway seems like a vps problem we can't help you with |
| 04:37.03 | markybob | they did something *wrong* |
| 04:37.11 | simonlnu | no kidding, hehe |
| 04:37.30 | simonlnu | probably did several somethings wrong |
| 04:37.53 | chomwitt | its one of a very very few greek companies offering debian vps |
| 04:38.04 | chomwitt | so i tried the . the use openvz |
| 04:38.12 | markybob | chomwitt, i use linode. they're great |
| 04:38.21 | markybob | chomwitt, geeky and terrific :) |
| 04:38.38 | markybob | oh, greek* ...finds glasses |
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| 04:39.15 | chomwitt | markybob: i believe you. i used bytemark but due to capital controls in my country it maked sence to try a greek company |
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| 04:40.18 | okee | Anyone have experience with merging PDFs and LibreOffice? I can't get any of the merge features to work in LibreOffice Version 4.3.3.2 |
| 04:40.32 | chomwitt | anyway 1 week ago there was a hude diff between du and df reporting and the could figger it out. now after reinstallation of deb8 man wont work.. strange cause i thought it worked yesterday |
| 04:40.33 | okee | I am open to other tools besides LibreoFfice as well. |
| 04:41.10 | chomwitt | and the couldnt figure it out |
| 04:41.11 | markybob | okee, pdfunite input1.pdf input2.pdf input3.pdf output.pdf |
| 04:41.23 | markybob | okee, apt-get install poppler-utils for that tool |
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| 04:41.36 | okee | markybob> ok |
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| 04:43.07 | okee | The files that I am merging are on a different drive, using the NTFS file system. Should I copy them to a directory on Linux? Or will it still merge on the NTFS? I am running Debian stable. |
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| 04:43.53 | markybob | okee, depends if it's mounted with ntfs-3g or not. rw or r. should merge fine with ntfs-3g |
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| 04:44.22 | okee | I don't know if I have 3g or not. How do I find out? |
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| 04:45.30 | okee | markybob> Just meandering to get to the right directory tree is a bit of a pain. |
| 04:45.40 | markybob | okee, df -T should tell you |
| 04:46.04 | markybob | okee, but if you're unsure just copy it. not like it can harm |
| 04:48.24 | chomwitt | strange http://paste.debian.net/337947/ , is seems a cleapup of temp directories happed . |
| 04:49.08 | miroesq_ | I am trying to create a directory in my home directory, but it will not allow me to. mkdir /home/odroid/.config/transmission-daemon/ |
| 04:49.54 | markybob | miroesq_, because...directory already exists? |
| 04:49.59 | miroesq_ | no |
| 04:50.10 | markybob | miroesq_, then help us help you and actually show us the error |
| 04:50.17 | miroesq_ | markybob: well, it says that it exists, but it doesn't |
| 04:50.24 | markybob | okay then |
| 04:51.16 | markybob | miroesq_, log out and back in. then pastebin the output of /home/odroid/.config |
| 04:51.41 | markybob | contents* |
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| 04:51.51 | miroesq_ | markybob: k |
| 04:52.06 | simonlnu | probably the perms on his .config dir |
| 04:52.24 | markybob | doubt it |
| 04:53.29 | chomwitt | i guess there should be a debian certificate. i mean i'm not dd by far but those guys seem using some openvz templates without second thing |
| 04:53.33 | chomwitt | think |
| 04:53.49 | okee | markybob> Do I need to name the output file? I have copied the directory, renamed the folders to comply with Linux, etc. |
| 04:53.51 | miroesq_ | markybob: I exited the ssh session till it closed out. I logged back in and went to /home/odroid but there are no contents |
| 04:54.41 | markybob | okee, yes. per my example it had an output file |
| 04:55.04 | okee | markybob> Ok, thanks.... |
| 04:55.35 | simonlnu | worse than that.. |
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| 04:55.42 | markybob | miroesq_, how are you listing it? |
| 04:55.50 | Rusty1 | ^ |
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| 04:56.36 | miroesq_ | i first did /home/odroid/.config and got bash: /home/odroid/.config: No such file or directory then i went to the directory and did ls |
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| 04:57.06 | Rusty1 | try ls -a |
| 04:57.38 | markybob | miroesq_, ls -la /home |
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| 04:57.59 | Guest32953 | Hey doing an deb install |
| 04:58.23 | markybob | Guest32953, i assume you mean sudo dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 04:58.35 | Guest32953 | debian* have access to another computer at the moment how can I determine fastest mirror for my region |
| 04:58.44 | Guest32953 | just to speed things up a bit |
| 04:58.45 | miroesq_ | markybob: http://pastebin.com/7Wt7U9U1 |
| 04:59.01 | markybob | Guest32953, use http://httpredir.debian.org |
| 05:00.11 | Guest32953 | right do I need to append /debian jessie main |
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| 05:00.32 | Guest32953 | or does the installer take care of that part |
| 05:00.35 | markybob | miroesq_, so cd /home/odroid && ls -al |
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| 05:01.54 | miroesq_ | markybob: http://pastebin.com/zX8HyFNx |
| 05:02.04 | Guest32953 | markybob: any idea? |
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| 05:02.51 | markybob | miroesq_, okay. so then mkdir -p ~/.config/transmission-daemon |
| 05:03.29 | markybob | Guest32602, i can't see your screen. assuming you're using normal text install just the url without the rest will do |
| 05:03.41 | somiaj | Guest32953: I'd just use httpredir.debian.org for your mirror |
| 05:04.04 | miroesq_ | markybob: thank you so much, that worked. can you pls direct me to a link or something so that I may read and understand what the issue was and what that syntax did? |
| 05:04.04 | okee | markybob> pdfunite worked perfectly. |
| 05:04.21 | markybob | okee, great :) |
| 05:04.36 | Guest32953 | somiaj: just trying to make sure if I need to use httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main when prompted to chose a mirror by the installer or just `httpredir.debian.org` |
| 05:04.40 | markybob | miroesq_, sweet. not really. had to troubleshoot a couple things. |
| 05:04.58 | miroesq_ | markybob: thank you again so much |
| 05:05.11 | markybob | miroesq_, you're welcome |
| 05:05.20 | somiaj | Guest32953: I'd check the install guide for a defininitve answer. But I'm guessing just the mirror name |
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| 05:06.50 | Guest32953 | somiaj: right |
| 05:07.40 | infinity1 | somiaj: i got that kernel compoiled. thanks |
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| 05:20.15 | Lokathor | I'm considering setting up a cron job to do someting like "apt-get update %% apt-get upgrade -Y" once a day or once a week or however often |
| 05:20.26 | somiaj | Lokathor: what version of debian do you run? |
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| 05:20.32 | Lokathor | uhm, testing |
| 05:20.40 | markybob | well that's not smart |
| 05:20.43 | Lokathor | i forget the current name |
| 05:20.51 | markybob | that's even less smart |
| 05:21.01 | somiaj | Lokathor: that would be a very bad idea. Testing upgrades can be rocky enough and you should have apt-listbugs installed that you shouldn't run them unatneded. |
| 05:21.02 | Lokathor | ah, this is the sort of advice i was looking for |
| 05:21.10 | Lokathor | hmm |
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| 05:21.23 | miroesq_ | markybob: I have an issue I have been working on here for a few hours, but I don't think that it's part of this group's expertise. I'll shoot it out to you anyway in case you have an idea. |
| 05:21.30 | markybob | Lokathor, there's something that does similar with stable. we would've helped you with that |
| 05:21.56 | Lokathor | my memory isn't perfect but i've never had a trouble with debian testing before. |
| 05:22.07 | Lokathor | just for home desktop sort of use, not for production servers |
| 05:22.21 | markybob | Lokathor, that's a very imperfect memory. |
| 05:22.29 | markybob | Lokathor, or lucky as hell |
| 05:23.03 | Lokathor | used debian off and on since 2006, nothing jumps to mind as "the time that everything exploded"\ |
| 05:23.11 | somiaj | Lokathor: A lot depends on what transitions are going on and if you are running during a freeze or not. |
| 05:23.16 | Rusty1 | aptitude tends to help as well |
| 05:23.26 | somiaj | Lokathor: jessie + backports works just fine for most desktop needs. |
| 05:24.00 | markybob | Lokathor, anyway, look at this https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 05:24.32 | miroesq_ | markybob: I am running Debian 8 Jessie on an Odroid XU4 which is an armv7 with 8 cores. Whenever I change settings and reboot it, it halts with the error SMP: failed to stop secondary CPUs. Then it gives me a kernel panic and just stays there. The only way i have gotten to boot it back up is if I take the boot.ini file and change any variable in it then boot again. This makes using teh system unusbale as again, it happens everytime I change any settings |
| 05:24.32 | miroesq_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.30 | somiaj | miroesq_: care to give an example of what settings you are changing? Or is it only have to change the setttings that you reboot your machine and the error is just with the reboot? |
| 05:26.13 | miroesq_ | somiaj: Like /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:26.51 | miroesq_ | somiaj: Like the settings in transmission-daemon |
| 05:27.00 | miroesq_ | somiaj: basically anything |
| 05:27.05 | Lokathor | well if it's some sort of insane thing i'll just not do it i guess |
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| 05:27.27 | Lokathor | and just update/upgrade whenever i remember to do it (which is about once a month on both systems) |
| 05:27.33 | somiaj | miroesq_: If you just reboot without changing any settings it works fine? |
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| 05:27.44 | somiaj | Lokathor: do you use gnome? |
| 05:27.48 | miroesq_ | somiaj: I will try it now to make sure |
| 05:28.11 | Lokathor | i have a raspberry pi 2 and a 32-bit machine, both headless |
| 05:28.33 | somiaj | Lokathor: ahh, I was going to suggest an app that just reminds you there are upgrades. |
| 05:28.35 | Lokathor | i think the 32-bit machine has gnome installed actually, just because that's what came on the install CD |
| 05:29.14 | Lokathor | oh there we go, iceweasel is in the kept back list right now |
| 05:29.25 | Lokathor | so i have X at least i'd assume |
| 05:29.54 | somiaj | Lokathor: but I can't think of any that isn't attached to the gui. You could probabaly create a cron job (via a script) that runs apt-get update and then prases the number of packages needed to upgrade from an apt-get -s dist-upgrade (though maybe there is a better way to get number of packages to be upgraded...I'm think there is) |
| 05:30.33 | somiaj | Lokathor: and then just have the cron job email you, or send you some other type of message saying how many packages are needed to be upgraded and when you have time to ensure the upgrade works you can preform it. |
| 05:30.50 | somiaj | though with the changes in testing, just a remind to upgrade would be enough |
| 05:31.01 | Lokathor | well as i understand it, "upgrade" won't ever remove a package, so it's safer, and dist-upgrade will sometimes remove a package if it needs to do so to replace it with some newer package taht got split up, so it's less safe |
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| 05:32.42 | somiaj | Lokathor: in testing you need to some what regurally dist-upgrade to the current version of testing. Having apt-listbugs installed can help avoid know serious bugs with the packages you are upgrading. |
| 05:32.44 | miroesq_ | somiaj: booted fine the 1st time. tried it for a 2nd time and got the same error. then it says panic occurred, switching back to text counsle and it is dead for all intents and purposes, even if i were to manually take the power out and put it back in, it will load up to that error and just stay there |
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| 05:33.38 | somiaj | miroesq_: I think the changing of the settings is just what has you rebooting the system. I'm unsure what your actual problem is that is causing the reboot to fail. |
| 05:34.04 | Lokathor | markybob, i have had trouble in the past on a few packages when mixing in unstable with testing, but never much trouble with testing-only |
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| 05:34.09 | miroesq_ | somiaj: thank you |
| 05:34.21 | somiaj | But sounds like bad hardware or something is corrupting you system while it is running (or going through teh shutdown process)...if I were to guess. |
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| 05:35.10 | miroesq_ | somiaj: don't think it is bad hardware. i literally just got it today. i think it is that the os was bootstrapped with some issues |
| 05:35.12 | somiaj | miroesq_: and bad hardware could just mean incompadable hardware. |
| 05:35.27 | miroesq_ | somiaj: ahhhh. think you may be right |
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| 05:36.44 | somiaj | I would start trying to track down what is exactlly causing your kernel to panic, though I'm unsure how or the best way to do that. |
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| 06:55.52 | canaar | I want to adopt a package in wnpp, how do I proceed. Where should I upload the package? Do I need to rebuild it? |
| 06:56.32 | nkuttler | !tell canaar about mentors |
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| 07:04.50 | markybob | canaar, and yes, you will need to rebuild it |
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| 07:06.16 | canaar | @markybob and put my name as a maintainer in the control file. What else? |
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| 07:09.02 | markybob | canaar, that's really it aside from signing it. |
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| 08:11.39 | Arahael | So, I'm doing a large tarball in debian wheezy. It seems to have *hung*, at exactly 2.1 GB (2149482496 bytes). |
| 08:12.04 | Arahael | It's gzip compressed, too (-cvzf), is there an issue here? |
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| 08:13.52 | Qwertie- | SSH adds support for connecting with sftp right? |
| 08:14.14 | Arahael | Qwertie-: sftp basically is openssh, iirc. |
| 08:15.20 | markybob | Arahael, doing what? downloading? |
| 08:15.50 | Arahael | markybob: Creating the archive. It's stopped at a particular file. (A PDF) |
| 08:16.04 | inthl | assuming I have an old package that can not be replaced as .deb installed in my recent distro - and that it breaks depencies, although it does not because I know they are provided by other means - how can I remove that application from APT/dpkg so that aptitude stops claiming that there is a broken package? |
| 08:16.34 | inthl | so in fact: how can I leave it (once installed by dpkg), but let apt forget about it |
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| 08:16.40 | markybob | Arahael, oh. so to a vfat or something? |
| 08:16.40 | Arahael | Are there any known large file support issues when using tar -cvj ? |
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| 08:16.53 | Arahael | markybob: No, it's ext4. |
| 08:17.02 | Arahael | It's weird. |
| 08:18.19 | markybob | Arahael, and you're sure df -h says there's enough space? |
| 08:18.38 | Arahael | markybob: There is about half a TB left. |
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| 08:19.32 | Arahael | markybob: I'm doing this as root, incidentially, which means I truely have half a TB left - I don't need to consider what's been "reserved". |
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| 08:20.49 | Arahael | Ok, that's irritating. |
| 08:20.51 | markybob | Arahael, can you try it on a diffent drive? maybe it fails on a write issue |
| 08:21.12 | Arahael | markybob: I just found out that the window was "locked", must've hit ^s or ^q at some point. |
| 08:21.53 | Arahael | Continuing nicely now. :/ |
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| 08:49.03 | TryingToRemoveCr | Hello all, I am trying to completely remove Chrome OS and install only debian. I have already used crouton to setup dual boot with ubuntu but for quite a few reasons I would like to get rid of ChromeOS |
| 08:50.15 | TryingToRemoveCr | I have put Chrome OS in developer mode and made a bootable Debian image on a usb. |
| 08:50.47 | TryingToRemoveCr | I have set crossystem dev_boot_usb=1 |
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| 08:51.39 | TryingToRemoveCr | I have also set dev_boot_signed_only=0 |
| 08:52.02 | TryingToRemoveCr | But when I press ctrl + U on the developer screen with a USB in it does nothing at all. |
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| 08:53.01 | TryingToRemoveCr | If I do so without a usb in I get beeps that indicate it reacted to ctrl + U but obviously that's not useful without a USB in. |
| 08:53.18 | TryingToRemoveCr | I have also made sure I am not using the blue usb port. |
| 08:54.06 | TryingToRemoveCr | I've been at it for quite a few hours now. So if anyone has any advice whatsoever I would really appreciate it. Thank you very much. |
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| 09:39.18 | tjcarter | hi all, I'm trying to install jessie on an old Atom-based nettop and am having major headaches with the i915-ish video. |
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| 09:42.17 | tjcarter | Not to mention it's starting up a framebuffer console (which the Debian wiki says don't do) which is controlled by files which naturally no longer exist, I get a black screen when X starts (which is listed as a consequence of trying to use fb console). Oh, and the fb console doesn't work right either. Resolution's a mess, and I can't figure out how to change that so that it survives a reboot. |
| 09:42.56 | tjcarter | Anyway, suggestions would be welcome :) |
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| 11:10.30 | netsrot | Hi, is it safe to use http://mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 11:11.50 | netsrot | I tried to install iceweasel 42.0 using experimental repository but I broke the installation =( |
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| 11:25.31 | dayten | !dpkg backports |
| 11:25.31 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 11:28.15 | SynrG | netsrot: what do you mean by 'safe' with relation to experimental? those two words don't belong together ... |
| 11:28.30 | SynrG | netsrot: if you're on stable, experimental isn't even an option |
| 11:28.49 | SynrG | if you're on testing or unstable, nothing is 'safe' |
| 11:29.01 | SynrG | not even stuff from debian repos |
| 11:29.17 | SynrG | it's all subject to occasional breakages, i mean, and that is considered 'normal' |
| 11:30.07 | SynrG | so yes, using mozilla.debian.net is as safe as using debian repos (with the same caveats there about using testing/unstable/experimental packages, as if you got them from debian repos) |
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| 11:52.30 | netsrot | Thanks SynrG and dayten. That was very helpfull. |
| 11:52.42 | SynrG | netsrot: are you on testing or unstable? |
| 11:52.52 | SynrG | netsrot: we provide support on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 11:53.14 | netsrot | I will try to use jessie with mozilla.debian.net to get iceweasel 42.0 |
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| 11:53.50 | SynrG | are you saying you tried to install the experimental package into a stable system first, before discovering mozilla.debian.net? |
| 11:53.57 | SynrG | yeah, that's not gonna work :) |
| 11:54.27 | netsrot | yes that was what I tried to say. |
| 11:54.29 | SynrG | ok |
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| 11:54.43 | netsrot | But I will start from scratch now and not use experimental. |
| 11:54.48 | SynrG | and yes, mdn is the way to do that. it is run by the debian mozilla maintainers. |
| 11:54.52 | SynrG | so they are trustworthy |
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| 11:56.06 | SynrG | netsrot: er, except: |
| 11:56.11 | SynrG | ,v iceweasel |
| 11:56.13 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 38.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.4.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.4.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.4.0esr-1; jessie- |
| 11:56.14 | judd | backports/iceweasel-release: 42.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 42.0-1 |
| 11:56.31 | SynrG | it appears 42 is in jessie-backports ... |
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| 11:56.45 | SynrG | looks at what mdn says today about 42 for jessie |
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| 11:58.23 | dontknow | what is a channel limit? |
| 11:58.52 | SynrG | netsrot: it just so happens that today, jessie-backports has 42. i guess if you got it from mozilla.debian.net, you might get updates earlier. but otherwise, jessie-backports is preferable |
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| 11:59.17 | SynrG | dontknow: it protects against a particular type of abuse called a 'join flood' |
| 11:59.32 | SynrG | it puts an upper limit on how many people can be on the channel |
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| 11:59.44 | dontknow | SynrG, i see |
| 12:00.13 | SynrG | the debhelper bot automatically adjusts this limit to allow "normal" rates of joins |
| 12:00.51 | dontknow | i guess it increases little by little then |
| 12:01.02 | SynrG | yep |
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| 12:01.38 | SynrG | but in the middle of a huge netsplit, it might not realize in time and some people find themselves refused entry temporarily |
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| 12:02.06 | SynrG | if that ever happens, remain calm. it will correct itself :) |
| 12:02.27 | dontknow | SynrG, oh! i thought it was because of hexchat! |
| 12:02.32 | SynrG | nope |
| 12:02.44 | dontknow | good to know |
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| 12:16.03 | netsrot | SynrG: Thanks, now I have more information that I can process today =) |
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| 12:47.22 | nggrb | hi |
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| 12:48.09 | nggrb | which package I have to install to these characters represent: http://www.utf8-zeichentabelle.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl?start=130048&number=1024 |
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| 12:59.48 | oo_miguel | knowing the key id, can I simply realy on "gpg --recv-keys ID"? or does it not guarantee in any way that the key I recieve is in fact the key I reqested? |
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| 15:17.06 | nou | Hello, I have Debian 7 server. It have PHP 5.4 which is EOL. Should I upgrade to Debian 8? |
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| 15:20.31 | Aebian | nou: I got Jessie on my dedicated, no problems at all. Running PHP5 latest + nginx & co. |
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| 15:24.32 | XeonSquared | say I threw like 4 serial port cards in my box, could I use them all at once? |
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| 15:28.20 | at0m | XeonSquared: sure |
| 15:29.12 | filadome | is it possible to start booting debian from a USB, then boot from a m.2 via PCI-E? my motherboard doesn't show the m.2 as a boot option, but the debian installer can find it |
| 15:29.42 | XeonSquared | filadome, install GRUB to the USB, and have the boot partition on it? |
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| 15:31.52 | stankstacks | does anyone think it would be a good idea to install something from ubuntu on debian cinnamon? |
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| 15:32.06 | stankstacks | trying to get spotify to work, but its not launching |
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| 15:35.21 | jaboja | How could I mark some package installed without actually installing it? I need to do so with "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" as I already have the fonts installed manually. |
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| 15:37.14 | zykotick9 | !tell jaboja about equivs |
| 15:37.46 | Marsupilami23 | stankstacks, Did you google how to install spotify on Jessie? |
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| 15:38.13 | stankstacks | no, let me check it out. thanks. i was on some reddit post looking for solutions |
| 15:39.06 | Marsupilami23 | stankstacks, there is a repository for it. |
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| 15:40.46 | stankstacks | thanks,apparently my libcrypt lib was too new |
| 15:40.54 | stankstacks | everythings working great =) |
| 15:42.20 | Marsupilami23 | no prob. |
| 15:43.18 | ceptor | What would i have to do to enable fancy useless emojis on my user's workstations? |
| 15:43.31 | ceptor | This has been a much requested feature lately. |
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| 15:45.39 | ceptor | (I installed an emoji font and appeased some people. Would bitmapped emojis be possible, hypothetically speaking?) :) |
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| 15:46.53 | zykotick9 | ceptor: tell the person(s) requesting emojis to "get a life" ;) |
| 15:47.29 | awal1 | Is there any replacement for xul-ext-flashblock? It doesn't work, it doesn't block any flash content in any website :( |
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| 15:51.45 | ceptor | zykotick9, apparently it is supposed to be useful for "customer support", we live in exciting times. |
| 15:52.07 | ceptor | I am not the one to judge. :) |
| 15:53.22 | ceptor | will just skip on that feature. |
| 15:53.32 | zykotick9 | ceptor: hehe, i was only joking. thankfully, i have NO idea... |
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| 16:05.15 | Guest2694 | hi |
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| 16:05.51 | Guest2694 | I need help. Chromium don't work on my debian jessie |
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| 16:08.47 | cra1g321 | <Guest2694> i installed it last night, been working fine for me |
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| 16:11.50 | whitek | How can I put a picture? |
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| 16:15.51 | whitek | up? |
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| 16:20.02 | whiteK | Hi, how can I put a picture here? |
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| 16:21.31 | DoctorD90 | whiteK, what? |
| 16:21.48 | strk | whiteK: you upload it somewhere and write a link here |
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| 16:23.12 | whiteK | I try. Then, just wait :) |
| 16:23.22 | DoctorD90 | guys, i have an issue. On a Mac, i have get an issue, and i Have to format probably. To save data, i tried to start an usb on which i have a debian derivate. It says EFI Boot, but doesnt boot. Now im downloading DebianLxdeAmd64. It is good for mac or i have to downlaod x86? |
| 16:23.33 | Aebian | I switched to the nvidia drivers site and for my gtx 550ti I got recommended to use 352 driver. But for some reason the driver says that he is unable to load the kernel module. I'm using Jessie 8.2 x64 |
| 16:23.58 | Aebian | I also have the linux-heasders installed |
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| 16:25.20 | Aebian | what else can I do? should I blacklist something ? |
| 16:26.16 | cra1g321 | <Aebian> why didnt you just use the nvidia packages in the debian repos ? |
| 16:26.37 | Aebian | cra1g321: there is one available for the 352? |
| 16:26.43 | zykotick9 | Aebian: you _might_ be interested in "/msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks" |
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| 16:27.11 | cra1g321 | the jessie package is at 340.65, which supports your card |
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| 16:27.26 | Aebian | zykotick9: I'll take a look |
| 16:27.37 | awal1 | DoctorD90: check debian wiki about debian in mac machines |
| 16:27.49 | DoctorD90 | ok! thx awal1 |
| 16:28.03 | cra1g321 | <Aebian> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_340.65 |
| 16:28.27 | Aebian | cra1g321: thx |
| 16:28.51 | whiteK | http://hpics.li/a905c3d |
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| 16:29.01 | Aebian | cra1g321: oh lol I have this wiki opened on my phoine atm |
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| 16:29.19 | awal1 | DoctorD90: https://wiki.debian.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=mac&titlesearch=Titles .... good luck |
| 16:29.25 | whiteK | My problem is I can't open chromium.. |
| 16:29.32 | whiteK | http://hpics.li/a905c3d |
| 16:29.48 | whiteK | this is the result of the terminal |
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| 16:30.08 | Aebian | whiteK: your screen is unreadable |
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| 16:31.17 | whiteK | Try to do a bigger |
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| 16:32.41 | awal1 | whitek: try pasting your terminal output in paste.debian.net as plain text copy/paste, no picture |
| 16:33.22 | whiteK | http://hpics.li/e16e278 (better I thinl) |
| 16:33.55 | filadome | would there be a performance loss from putting the boot partition on to a USB drive? |
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| 16:36.06 | awal1 | whitek: can you "apt-cache policy chromium && apt-cache policy" and paste? |
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| 16:38.38 | whiteK | Just no changes :c |
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| 16:40.07 | Algorithm | hi all |
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| 16:40.15 | frostschutz | filadome, for booting perhaps. for the running system itself, no |
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| 16:41.09 | awal1 | whitek: what about the commands? |
| 16:42.11 | whiteK | awal1: http://hpics.li/75edfd0 |
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| 16:47.11 | awal1 | whitek: why are you running chromium as root? |
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| 16:47.28 | awal1 | are you in kali? |
| 16:48.41 | whiteK | awal1: because I was in root this morning for doing others things. It is a problem? |
| 16:49.13 | awal1 | you shouldn't do that... |
| 16:49.14 | cra1g321 | if you dont need to run a program as root then dont |
| 16:50.15 | awal1 | a web browser as root is crazy... |
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| 16:50.55 | whiteK | awal1: in my last computer yes, but I bought a new one last week and the secureboot in BIOS don't recognize the ISO with Kali so I had to put debian 8 with Kali |
| 16:51.00 | whiteK | Why? |
| 16:51.27 | whiteK | I am justlazy so I didn't change to the user |
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| 16:53.22 | Aebian | hmm lightdm failed to start after installing 340 via repo |
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| 16:53.42 | awal1 | whiteK: I was sure since the beginning that your issue is kali related... |
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| 16:54.05 | cra1g321 | <Aebian> did you create the xorg file installing the packages ? |
| 16:54.13 | cra1g321 | after installing * |
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| 16:54.35 | Aebian | before the install |
| 16:54.40 | Aebian | i did |
| 16:55.29 | mathew | Aebian, is the module loaded? |
| 16:55.45 | Aebian | let mne check |
| 16:55.48 | Aebian | *me |
| 16:55.54 | whiteK | awal1: It is a big problem? I'm just studying informatique.. |
| 16:56.38 | strk | should installing mate-desktop-environment be enough to bring performance to "lununtu" level ? (I made a mistake at install time and failed to select "mate" -- spacebar vs. enter confusion with dialog-based install) |
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| 16:57.26 | Aebian | seems nope or i just failed at checking |
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| 16:57.45 | mathew | Aebian, lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 16:58.25 | Aebian | mathew: no output so not loaded |
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| 16:58.48 | mathew | Aebian, what does "sudo modprobe nvidia" tell you |
| 17:00.26 | whiteK | awal1: Oh, it's working with my user.. Can you just explain me why? And why should'nt use the root all the time? (just curious) |
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| 17:01.47 | Aebian | http://imgur.com/SezKXvG |
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| 17:04.35 | cra1g321 | <Aebian> what installer did you use ? |
| 17:04.55 | cra1g321 | and did you have a desktop before trying to install the nvidia driver ? |
| 17:05.13 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, How did you install the drivers? |
| 17:05.15 | cra1g321 | by installer i mean, did you use netinstall cd , dvd etc |
| 17:05.16 | awal1 | whitek: you now why you have root and standard user accounts, with that you have the aswers... |
| 17:05.24 | awal1 | you know ^ |
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| 17:06.23 | Aebian | gnome and lightdm worked fine before. Installed linux a while ago via netinstall dvd |
| 17:06.28 | whiteK | awal1: Yes but I just don't undestand why chromium is working fine with the user and not with the root.. |
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| 17:06.55 | filadome | would/should i reinstall to move the boot partition to a separate drive? |
| 17:07.06 | filadome | is it possible? |
| 17:07.17 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, try uninstalling all nvidia packages "sudo apt-get remove nvidia*" then reinstall. |
| 17:07.57 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: remove and no purge right? |
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| 17:08.18 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, eh, purge would be better. |
| 17:08.36 | Aebian | i tought so. on it |
| 17:08.42 | Marsupilami23 | dislikes the word purge. |
| 17:08.57 | Marsupilami23 | and moist |
| 17:09.39 | awal1 | whitek: it's probably related with ownership of your chromium profile directory and stuffs like that... |
| 17:10.44 | Marsupilami23 | Awe, I liked the name Piggy. |
| 17:10.49 | whiteK | awal1: Okay! Thanks for your help :) |
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| 17:12.01 | HD|Laptop | hey all |
| 17:12.05 | Marsupilami23 | I'm being lazy, whats better than xchat? |
| 17:12.08 | Marsupilami23 | howdy |
| 17:12.16 | HD|Laptop | how do I find out which metapackages pulls in firmware-atheros? |
| 17:12.23 | HD|Laptop | Apparently firmware-linux(-nonfree) dont |
| 17:12.31 | Marsupilami23 | .3 |
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| 17:13.02 | Marsupilami23 | I believe that is a dpkg command |
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| 17:13.18 | awal1 | Marsupilami23: try hexchat |
| 17:13.20 | HD|Laptop | Meh. It's apt-cache rdepends |
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| 17:13.34 | HD|Laptop | Marsupilami23, well on windows use hexchat |
| 17:13.40 | Marsupilami23 | Or that |
| 17:13.46 | Aebian | irssi! |
| 17:13.49 | HD|Laptop | Marsupilami23, on OS X use XChat Azure, and on Debian there's xchat itself |
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| 17:14.57 | Marsupilami23 | I like the look of irssi |
| 17:15.08 | Marsupilami23 | sudo apt-get install irssi |
| 17:15.09 | Marsupilami23 | oops |
| 17:16.18 | Aebian | with a good theme + your own scripts its awesome |
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| 17:17.57 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, Oh make sure you "sudo apt-get update" upgrade and dist-upgrade before re-installing nvidia |
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| 17:19.33 | Aebian | roger that |
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| 17:22.13 | Aebian | did so and also xorg told me that my "blacklist" is still active after removing all nvidia stuff |
| 17:22.37 | Aebian | lets install the driver again |
| 17:23.48 | Marsupilami23 | Good, cuz nouveau sucks for some nvidia cards. |
| 17:23.58 | Aebian | DKMS: Install complete |
| 17:24.19 | somiaj | Depends on what you want out of the driver and what nvidia card you have. |
| 17:24.19 | Marsupilami23 | sweet. |
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| 17:25.16 | Marsupilami23 | somiaj, nouveau driver freezes both computers I have even with nomodeset. I like a usable computer. :) |
| 17:25.38 | somiaj | Marsupilami23: that could be possible, but it really depends on what nvidia card you actually have. |
| 17:25.52 | Marsupilami23 | somiaj, right. |
| 17:26.01 | Marsupilami23 | 550 and 650 |
| 17:26.38 | somiaj | I'm surprised, but those sound like mobile chips with maybe optimus. |
| 17:27.04 | filadome | is there a GUI within Debian to add a drive? |
| 17:27.12 | filadome | similar to Windows Disk Management |
| 17:27.13 | Marsupilami23 | somiaj, not sure. didn't delve deep enough in their chipset. |
| 17:27.22 | Marsupilami23 | somiaj, now I'm curious |
| 17:27.53 | somiaj | Marsupilami23: I use nvidia-nonfree as well, but I would suggest nouveau for older cards over the -legacy package |
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| 17:28.00 | somiaj | filadome: what do you mean by 'add a drive' |
| 17:28.16 | Aebian | http://i.imgur.com/LPU5NcR.jpg |
| 17:28.19 | filadome | somiaj, the drive is install in the computer and i would like to use it |
| 17:28.26 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: ^ |
| 17:28.35 | somiaj | filadome: gparted may be what you want, but I don't think this will modify /etc/fstab to have the drive automounted somewhere. |
| 17:28.57 | somiaj | filadome: are you wanting to partition the drive and put file systems on it. Or is the drive already partitioned and you want it to be automounted in some location? |
| 17:29.10 | filadome | somiaj, i would like to partition it |
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| 17:29.19 | somiaj | filadome: gparted is a gui tool for that. |
| 17:29.20 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, is the nvidia module loaded? |
| 17:29.46 | somiaj | Aebian: What card do you actually have? |
| 17:30.15 | Aebian | its not loaded. my gpu is a palit gtx 550ti |
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| 17:30.49 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, same error when you load it? "sudo modprobe nvidia" |
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| 17:31.30 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, 550 can take the latest nvidia driver. |
| 17:31.31 | somiaj | Aebian: Is it a mobile chip with optimus mixed or just a stand alone 550ti? Did you modify your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to load the nvidia display driver? |
| 17:31.39 | Aebian | same as before could not find module by name |
| 17:32.00 | Aebian | standalone 550ti |
| 17:32.14 | somiaj | Aebian: dpkg -l | grep linux-headers (do you have the linux-headers installed for your kernel)? |
| 17:32.48 | Aebian | i have. 3.0.16 |
| 17:32.55 | Aebian | 0-4 |
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| 17:33.53 | Aebian | xorg loads the driver via /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 17:34.26 | somiaj | Aebian: 3.0.16? That is not a debian kernel |
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| 17:35.00 | somiaj | Aebian: do you have an xorg.conf file? or is the only file xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf (do you have any other files in that directory)? |
| 17:35.04 | Aebian | 3.16.0 sorry |
| 17:36.30 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, Jessie? |
| 17:37.09 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, do you have nvidia-kernel-dkms installed? |
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| 17:38.06 | jammsen | hey guys, is there some known bugs with debian 8 (jessie) and VMBR setups? I cant get it running, while the same config an wheezy runs :( |
| 17:38.07 | Aebian | yes latest 8.2 and dkms is installed |
| 17:39.24 | somiaj | jammsen: check the logs to see what is failing. Software will upgrade between wheezy and jessie making old config options not work (sometimes). I know apache2 had this issue, unsure what other packages need their configs updated with the migration to jessie |
| 17:39.56 | jammsen | somiaj: i did not upgrade i installed a debian jessie 8.2 minimal image |
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| 17:39.58 | Aebian | somiaj: http://i.imgur.com/YPq9Y7Y.jpg |
| 17:40.05 | jammsen | it "should" be clean |
| 17:41.42 | somiaj | Aebian: ls /lib/modules/3.16.0-?-amd64/updates/dkms (do you see nvidia-current.ko there)? |
| 17:42.10 | somiaj | jammsen: and the config you are using the one supplied by the debian package or a custom one you made? |
| 17:42.10 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, Are you on 32 bit or 64 bit? |
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| 17:42.55 | jammsen | somiaj: im using the the package /etc/network/interfaces file, just using my config settings |
| 17:43.46 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, give this a go "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-3.16.0-4-amd64" |
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| 17:43.55 | jammsen | somiaj: there you see it http://pastebin.com/sPS81Gbf |
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| 17:44.56 | filadome | i mounted another drive but it only has permissions for root |
| 17:45.04 | filadome | is there a GUI program I can use to give myself permissions? |
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| 17:45.42 | Aebian | somiaj: yes its in there |
| 17:46.07 | Aebian | and also the nvidia-uvm.ko |
| 17:46.27 | somiaj | jammsen: I don't know enough bout virtual/bridged interfaces. But when I did it, I had a 'iface eth0 inet manual' for the actuall eth0 device (no auto line, no ipaddress set up for it). And then when you bring up the virtual bridge it manually configures eth0 |
| 17:46.49 | somiaj | Aebian: lsmod | grep nvidia (the nvidia moudle is not loaded?) |
| 17:47.00 | somiaj | filadome: what is the filesystem you mounted? |
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| 17:47.19 | filadome | i made it ext3 primary |
| 17:47.37 | Aebian | somiaj: negative not loaded |
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| 17:48.28 | somiaj | filadome: ext3 filesystems are standard *nix filesystems. You control the permsions just like you would any ext3 filesystem. chmod/chown the file system so your user has permisions to read/write to it as desired |
| 17:48.34 | somiaj | filadome: also usually suggested to use ext4 these days. (: |
| 17:48.45 | somiaj | Aebian: and what did you say 'modprobe nvidia' returned? |
| 17:48.47 | Marsupilami23 | somiaj, the driver could be building against the wrong kernel version |
| 17:49.19 | somiaj | Marsupilami23: it will build against any kernel version the headers are installed for, maybe there is a -3 on the headers and a -4 on the kernel. Could check the versions match exactly. |
| 17:49.55 | somiaj | Aebian: but it looked like the module is built. Unsure why it isn't finding it. |
| 17:50.38 | Marsupilami23 | try inmod |
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| 17:51.06 | Marsupilami23 | what does dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:51.07 | Marsupilami23 | say |
| 17:52.11 | Aebian | somiaj:http://i.imgur.com/Tf1RwUm.jpg |
| 17:52.20 | filadome | i can't log in as root via GUI |
| 17:53.13 | somiaj | Aebian: What is the output of 'uname -a' an 'modprobe nvidia' |
| 17:53.46 | somiaj | filadome: usually it is considered bad form to run xorg as root. |
| 17:54.22 | filadome | somiaj, am i limited then to chmod/chown the new drive via command line? |
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| 17:55.06 | somiaj | filadome: I would, but that is just me. with sudo or gksu you can run your file manager as root. I would still suggest not doing this as it is a way to acidently break something |
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| 17:55.28 | filadome | also, is it possible to remove the password for my account? |
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| 17:56.00 | filadome | or only have a password if the connection is remote login |
| 17:56.31 | Aebian | somiaj: http://i.imgur.com/6ifq80P.jpg |
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| 17:56.51 | somiaj | filadome: man passwd, I think the -d option is what you want, " This is a quick way to disable a password for an account. It will set the named account passwordless. |
| 17:57.04 | somiaj | filadome: you can't really do that, as it uses the same password. |
| 17:57.17 | somiaj | filadome: you can disable the password, and then make it so remote login via ssh requires a key. |
| 17:57.23 | Akuw | once Bind9 is installed have i to change resolv.conf? |
| 17:57.31 | R2E4 | hi guys, new to Debian and cant get apache to run .pl scripts, I am sure I have the conf setup correctly, |
| 17:57.34 | somiaj | filadome: if you are allowing remote login I wouldn't disable a password to an account that has sudo privlages |
| 17:57.48 | somiaj | Akuw: only if you want to use your own local nameserver. But not required. |
| 17:58.16 | somiaj | R2E4: make sure you have the perl mod enabled, (check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled (vs mods-available) |
| 17:58.22 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, run "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms". what does it say? |
| 17:58.26 | somiaj | R2E4: unsure if you have to install an additional package to get the perl mod. |
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| 17:59.59 | somiaj | Aebian: did you ever try to install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com? |
| 18:01.02 | Aebian | somiaj: i did with driver 304 worked fine |
| 18:01.50 | somiaj | Aebian: that is probabaly your problem. You have that driver floating around messing up the debian stuff. Unforuntally the nvidia.com driver dosen't play nicely with dpkg, it is always prefered you get the driver from debian |
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| 18:02.25 | somiaj | Aebian: look at the package nvidia-installer-cleanup (this should clean up the old driver you have causing problems) |
| 18:02.45 | somiaj | Aebian: after you do that, follow Marsupilami23 and run "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 18:05.49 | Aebian | http://i.imgur.com/LFwBNfp.jpg |
| 18:06.02 | R2E4 | libcgi-pm-perl allready instal |
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| 18:06.36 | jasabella | haha |
| 18:06.48 | jasabella | are you from australia? :) |
| 18:07.42 | Akuw | somiaj: i am configuring a VPS server to host my webpage and domain |
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| 18:11.27 | wallbroken | somebody uses debian as a guest on virtualbox? i have problems with host-only adapter, it seems to not working under debian |
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| 18:11.41 | jasabella | what do you mean 'not working'? |
| 18:11.48 | jasabella | not connecting to the internet? |
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| 18:17.48 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, Do you plan on playing steam on this machine? |
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| 18:18.42 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: I would say yes |
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| 18:20.26 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, Then lets start from the beginning. remove all nvidia driver related things. Including headers and build-essential |
| 18:20.59 | Aebian | okay i start now :D |
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| 18:24.36 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: okay removed everything |
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| 18:28.07 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, OK, now install "apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:28.54 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: done |
| 18:29.19 | Marsupilami23 | now: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 18:29.53 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: done |
| 18:29.55 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, aptitude update |
| 18:30.19 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: done |
| 18:30.20 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
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| 18:30.32 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, will bring in nvidia-drivers |
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| 18:31.20 | abrotman | eh, there are drivers for amd64? |
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| 18:31.45 | abrotman | and those work with steam in 64bit, don't they? |
| 18:31.55 | Marsupilami23 | Abbott, yes |
| 18:32.00 | Marsupilami23 | abrotman, yes |
| 18:32.17 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, now aptitude install nvidia-xconfig |
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| 18:32.53 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: done |
| 18:33.01 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, run nvidia-xconfig |
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| 18:33.48 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: he wrote a xorg.conf |
| 18:33.54 | Marsupilami23 | give it a reboot |
| 18:34.04 | wallbroken | jasabella, does not ping |
| 18:34.04 | wallbroken | host only is a p2p connection between host and guest |
| 18:34.52 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: done but lightdm still refuses to start |
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| 18:35.10 | jasabella | not being able to ping it isnt a good sign for ssh'ing into it |
| 18:35.13 | Marsupilami23 | make sure all linux-headers* is removed |
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| 18:36.13 | Marsupilami23 | then install only linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:36.40 | jasabella | oh you're someone else |
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| 18:36.43 | jasabella | getting confused here :) |
| 18:36.49 | jasabella | yes wallbroken |
| 18:36.53 | jasabella | that's what it is |
| 18:37.09 | Aebian | I only have the uname -r one installed |
| 18:37.12 | jasabella | can you connect from the guest to the host? |
| 18:37.30 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, wow, ok... now I'm confused why it's not working. |
| 18:37.42 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, I'd suggest fresh install of Jessie |
| 18:37.56 | Marsupilami23 | Gotta run, but message me if you figure it out |
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| 18:38.24 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: thats linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 + -common |
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| 18:39.37 | wallbroken | jasabella, the connection is. but i can't ping |
| 18:40.13 | jasabella | hae you set your firewall to drop icmp packets or something? |
| 18:40.20 | jasabella | also are you pinging the right address? |
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| 18:41.23 | wallbroken | yes |
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| 18:44.34 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: reinstall? not again ._. |
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| 18:48.58 | Kami__ | Hi there, is it possible to run an interactive script (asking for user input) before the login prompt in the console on hvc0 ? Or if not, a way to auto-login as root? I was able to find some ways for tty1 which seem to work but I haven't been able to succesfully get it working on hvc0 |
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| 18:49.48 | socomm | What is hvc0? |
| 18:50.26 | Kami__ | it's the virtual console xen uses |
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| 18:51.30 | socomm | Kami__: You might wanna ask #xen |
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| 18:52.49 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: you wont believe it. after removing everything again and then installing thev 352 driver my lightdm starts again |
| 18:52.52 | Kami__ | Hm, I thought it was a debian thing since it's recognized as a tty with the name hvc0 in debian itself |
| 18:54.23 | swift110 | hey all |
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| 18:54.48 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: and also steam is working again :33 |
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| 18:55.14 | Aebian | Thanks Marsupilami23 & somiaj for your help |
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| 18:57.51 | wallbroken | how to show ip in network manager? |
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| 18:59.20 | jasabella | which ip? |
| 18:59.31 | jasabella | right click and connection information |
| 18:59.33 | wallbroken | ip assigned to interfaces |
| 18:59.49 | socomm | wallbroken: run 'ip a' in the command-line. |
| 19:00.06 | wallbroken | ok i solved |
| 19:00.09 | jasabella | does debian jessie use ip instead of ifconfig? |
| 19:00.09 | wallbroken | thank you |
| 19:00.17 | jasabella | pinging the wrong ip address? |
| 19:00.23 | socomm | jasabella: systemctl. |
| 19:00.24 | wallbroken | but there is some way to configure nm-applet? |
| 19:00.32 | socomm | s/systemctl/systemd/ |
| 19:00.45 | jasabella | ahhh didnt realise htey switched that as well |
| 19:01.26 | socomm | Is jessie the older version? |
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| 19:01.50 | socomm | 'ip' works on older versions too. |
| 19:02.23 | wallbroken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/72bwol6i9luybjo/kkkk.png?dl=0 |
| 19:02.34 | wallbroken | i want to remove those too long descriptions |
| 19:02.45 | wallbroken | that makes the window very larger |
| 19:02.51 | jasabella | did you right click or left click? |
| 19:03.15 | wallbroken | left click |
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| 19:03.32 | jasabella | oh you got your ip address now |
| 19:03.34 | jasabella | nm |
| 19:03.48 | gecko_x8 | hi.. what's up with dns resolution in clean 8.2.0 netinstall? |
| 19:03.57 | wallbroken | before i was using "MATE" and there wasn't those descriptions |
| 19:04.01 | wallbroken | is there some way to fix? |
| 19:04.07 | gecko_x8 | resolv.conf has generated ipv6 address and no dns |
| 19:04.32 | gecko_x8 | even though the installer had working ipv4 dns |
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| 19:08.34 | wallbroken | jasabella, do you know if there could be some workaround? |
| 19:08.58 | jasabella | i havent kept up with what you are trying to do sorry |
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| 19:17.30 | gecko_x8 | anyone? |
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| 19:18.15 | gecko_x8 | can't figure this out.. other systems work fine, including 8.1.0 netinstall |
| 19:18.48 | gecko_x8 | ofcourse can't install nameserver or anything because repo hosts can't be resolved |
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| 19:19.38 | gecko_x8 | manually setting static ip and gateway in interfaces has no impact.. |
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| 19:21.16 | ispirto | so what distro is systemd free, comes with gnome, debian based, comes with kernel 4.x |
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| 19:28.20 | jammsen | Hey guys, can someone please help me find my error with a linux bridge in my network config? On Debian 7.8 all works like a charm, on Debian 8.2 i cant get vmbr0 running - my config: http://pastebin.com/jxMqBCJy |
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| 19:30.29 | gecko_x8 | jammsen i'm fighting with debian 8.2.0, proxmox 4 issues as well |
| 19:31.03 | gecko_x8 | stuck in the getgo as clean 8.2.0 netinstall gives a system with no DNS |
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| 19:32.14 | jammsen | gecko_x8: >_< thats awkward, because i was hoping that the wiki of PVE would be a little more precise |
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| 19:33.28 | gecko_x8 | i'm trying to setup multiple iscsi booted pve4 nodes |
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| 19:34.09 | gecko_x8 | had a working setup using proxmox installer to create a template then clone that |
| 19:34.58 | gecko_x8 | but proxmox needs to be cloned before installing the packages, ie need to clone a clean debian 8.2.0 then install pve for each clone.. |
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| 19:35.42 | gecko_x8 | anyways.. this is awkward, as i can't seem to install 8.2.0 with name resolution at all |
| 19:36.45 | jammsen | hmmm sounds much more advanced as im using it ^^ |
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| 19:37.32 | jammsen | but a guy in ##proxmox is actually helping me to setup network right, maybe he got a tip for you too, i will inform you when my problem is solved |
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| 19:38.56 | gecko_x8 | o cool.. i'll be there once i get over this annoying issue |
| 19:39.19 | gecko_x8 | i hate it when you plan on doing something and get stuc in the getgo with some unfathomable issue |
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| 19:39.57 | gecko_x8 | i mean.. everything else works but getting 8.2.0 to use a ipv4 dns server seems impossible |
| 19:40.08 | gecko_x8 | is it a 0day bug? |
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| 19:40.17 | jammsen | just dont use ipv6 |
| 19:40.25 | jammsen | then ipv4 works fine :P |
| 19:40.32 | gecko_x8 | is there an option to disable ipv6 in the installer? |
| 19:40.35 | Dagger | v4* |
| 19:40.42 | Dagger | v6 DNS resolvers work just fine |
| 19:40.48 | Dagger | (for both A and AAAA records) |
| 19:40.53 | gecko_x8 | as the installer configures dhcp everything works |
| 19:40.55 | jammsen | except your isp is doing some crazy shit voodoo magic with translation of network |
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| 19:41.15 | gecko_x8 | nah it's behind pfsense |
| 19:41.25 | jammsen | gecko_x8: omg it acutally works! |
| 19:41.31 | gecko_x8 | other OS's get their dns from pfsense just fine |
| 19:41.40 | jammsen | my network with vmbr0 is working xD |
| 19:41.40 | gecko_x8 | ? |
| 19:41.43 | jammsen | hahaha ^^ |
| 19:41.47 | gecko_x8 | nice |
| 19:41.54 | jammsen | this is crazy voodoo shit |
| 19:42.04 | gecko_x8 | iscsi bootiing is complicated because you can't bridge the interface it boots from |
| 19:42.39 | jammsen | gecko_x8: this is the solution http://pastebin.com/m6irVJCn |
| 19:42.47 | jammsen | that is actually working ^^ |
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| 19:45.26 | swift110 | hey |
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| 19:59.16 | gecko_x8 | hmm |
| 19:59.20 | gecko_x8 | found this https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/resolv.conf/linux.debian.user/LHbyc1gD7-0/JX5il7P9AgAJ |
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| 20:04.13 | Slumlord_ | hello |
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| 20:04.31 | Slumlord_ | any url howto's installing developmental kodi in debian |
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| 20:05.47 | Slumlord_ | or beta |
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| 20:12.41 | gecko_x8 | not much activity here.. |
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| 20:13.21 | gecko_x8 | all the 'muricans are prolly having BBQ to celebrate their freedomz |
| 20:13.24 | gecko_x8 | :p |
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| 20:15.12 | at0m | gecko_x8: wasn't that yesterday |
| 20:15.22 | at0m | dpkg: tell Slumlord_ about experimental |
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| 20:17.20 | awal | gecko_x8: not really. debian users use google and online documentations. they only ask if no solution found for there problems :) |
| 20:17.53 | somiaj | Aebian: the 352 drviers are not supplied from debian. As before dpkg will not play nicely with the drivers form nvidia.com. They could break during upgrades. |
| 20:18.00 | gecko_x8 | i just can't figure out why 8.2 sets a ipv6 nameserver by default and nobody has issues? |
| 20:18.31 | gecko_x8 | reinstalling now to try removing rdnssd |
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| 20:19.17 | Dagger | gecko_x8: I don't think it sets one by default, so much as sets one if your router is advertising one |
| 20:19.37 | gecko_x8 | hmm |
| 20:19.41 | Dagger | i.e. you'll see issues if your router is advertising a broken DNS server, but not otherwise |
| 20:20.02 | gecko_x8 | well i have no ipv6 servers on pfsense, but i just started wondering.. if it's this PVE 4.0 node |
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| 20:20.45 | Dagger | you can try `rdisc6` (or `radvdump`) to see what your RAs say |
| 20:21.01 | Dagger | (although DNS servers can also come from DHCPv6, and I'm not sure how to see those easily) |
| 20:21.21 | gecko_x8 | i have nothing else running than pfsense and a pve4 node |
| 20:21.25 | gecko_x8 | it must be the node |
| 20:21.43 | gecko_x8 | but debian 8.1.0 and everything else works fine |
| 20:21.48 | gecko_x8 | that's the issue |
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| 20:22.05 | gecko_x8 | anyways.. gotta see if it's the pve node |
| 20:22.12 | gecko_x8 | bbl |
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| 20:22.40 | Dagger | it may well be pfsense. I remember somebody else having a similar problem to this |
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| 20:52.07 | filadome | i removed the password for my account but debian is still asking for it |
| 20:52.15 | filadome | a blank field does not work |
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| 20:54.13 | filadome | if i go back and add a password it works again |
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| 20:54.56 | filadome | can i have an account without a password? |
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| 21:05.16 | tjcarter | whelp, I did get this Atom into X finallyâI had to modify grub to get it to tell the i815 driver not to try to set modes. It starts X, but it's about as pathetic as my Raspberry Pi (2) is in X, so I'm not sure that's going to be a thing I do with this machine. :) |
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| 21:07.12 | tjcarter | If I never do X, I could possibly fix the framebuffer console. The only problem there is that it's putting a weird 1024x768 window offcenter inside as 1440x900 framebuffer (and it knows that it's got a 1440x900 framebuffer). The major reason I didn't try to fix that is because X started to a black screen. |
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| 21:08.37 | somiaj | tjcarter: i915? You should really be using the kms modset driver (and disable frame buffers). This is the more modern appraoch. |
| 21:08.50 | somiaj | i.e. kms allows consoles to be different resolutions |
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| 21:09.45 | tjcarter | somiaj: I tried to find some documentation but nothing I found even talked about grub2, let alone systemd |
| 21:10.13 | somiaj | tjcarter: are you running debian or raspbian on the device? |
| 21:10.19 | tjcarter | Debian |
| 21:10.35 | somiaj | tjcarter: note the intel as a kms module, is this module loading, or did you change your grub options to disable modsetting and force loading a framebuffer? |
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| 21:10.42 | tjcarter | It's a Lenovo IdeaCentre Q150 |
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| 21:11.07 | tjcarter | I left it stock until that didn't work :) |
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| 21:12.36 | tjcarter | somiaj: I edited linux ${rel_dirname}/${basename} root=${linux_root_device_thisversion} ro ${args} i915.modeset=0 |
| 21:12.41 | tjcarter | crap sorry for paste |
| 21:13.12 | tjcarter | I edited /etc/grub.d/10-linux and, well, you see what I did to line 181 :D |
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| 21:13.46 | jetscreamer | thunar under kde will do volume management, ie mount volumes, but if i run it under icewm it won't. what daemon/whatever do i need to have running? |
| 21:14.22 | somiaj | tjcarter: you shouldn't disable modsetting, it is preferable over framebuffers. You also shoulnd't modify the 10-linux script and use /etc/default/grub instead. |
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| 21:15.35 | tjcarter | somiaj: After spending 4 hours looking for some clue how to get this Atom video to cooperate, I did the only thing I really could with it. Working with a BIOS-based system after all these years is weird. ;) |
| 21:17.09 | tjcarter | So, the defaults weren't working, and I'm mostly a grub2 n00b (I could've told you all about grub1 and still can all about refit!) |
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| 21:19.14 | somiaj | tjcarter: even in grub1 on debian systems you edit the defaults file and then run update-grub |
| 21:19.41 | somiaj | tjcarter: the intel driver should support kms and disabling modsettting is probabaly your issue, I don't think you need to disable modsetting (though I'm not positive on your hardware) |
| 21:20.53 | tjcarter | There wasn't an /etc/defaults/grub the last time I used grub1 ;) |
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| 21:22.22 | tjcarter | still remembers days before apt existed, 15 miles in the snow, etc. |
| 21:22.22 | somiaj | its been around for a while in debian. And grub1 was in debian until jessie (and I think the defaults was still used in squeeze) |
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| 21:22.50 | tjcarter | I started with bo :) |
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| 21:24.33 | tjcarter | Last used grub around ... 2003? |
| 21:25.06 | swift110 | anyone here have an ibm T40 |
| 21:25.31 | gecko_x8 | well, even if i boot the 8.2 on a network with nothing but ipv4, it still gets the ipv6 dns |
| 21:25.51 | tjcarter | swift110: I'm playing with a Lenovo IdeaCentre Q150 which may be somewhat similar. |
| 21:26.19 | Dagger | gecko_x8: it must be coming from somewhere |
| 21:26.25 | Dagger | try rdisc6 and see if it lists the server |
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| 21:27.00 | swift110 | its a laptop from 2003 tjcarter |
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| 21:27.23 | somiaj | tjcarter: anyways I would track down why the kms driver for intel is not loading correctly as opposed to disabling it |
| 21:27.27 | gecko_x8 | itcan't install anything |
| 21:27.30 | tjcarter | swift110: possibly not then, The IdeaCentre is a nettop from 2007 |
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| 21:27.41 | gecko_x8 | well, i see now it's coming from pfsense |
| 21:27.43 | somiaj | tjcarter: this also means if you use any of the old standards for framebuffers they will conflict. So remove any of the old things you did to enable framebuffers. |
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| 21:28.15 | tjcarter | somiaj: It loads a highres console (which can be twiddled with fbset) but I get the black screen problem with X |
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| 21:28.42 | tjcarter | somiaj: that's with a fresh install for jessie. |
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| 21:29.03 | tjcarter | Supposedly lenny(?) and later do the right thing for i915 automatically. |
| 21:29.14 | tjcarter | Except they do it with a file that doesn't exist anymore. :) |
| 21:29.17 | somiaj | tjcarter: double check what it is doing. framebuffers (hence fbset) and kms are conflicting methods. Sounds like you disabled modsetting because youa re trying to use framebuffers. |
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| 21:29.39 | somiaj | so provided you aren't trying to use framebuffers it should just work. My intel i915 works just fine here. |
| 21:29.44 | tjcarter | I wasn't trying to use anything. That's what jessie set up. |
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| 21:30.00 | swift110 | lol tjcarter |
| 21:30.05 | swift110 | what are its specs tjcarter |
| 21:30.07 | tjcarter | well, mine didn't. black screen starting X, wrong resolution, etc. |
| 21:30.11 | somiaj | well I would figure out what the issue is. My expreience with intel i915 is it works. (: |
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| 21:30.47 | tjcarter | I think the salient bit is this: |
| 21:30.49 | tjcarter | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| 21:31.39 | tjcarter | Research tells me that's i915 (driver at least) |
| 21:31.43 | somiaj | how new of hardware. |
| 21:31.48 | somiaj | ,v xorg-video-intel |
| 21:31.49 | tjcarter | 2007 |
| 21:31.49 | judd | No package named 'xorg-video-intel' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:31.55 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 21:31.56 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917-2; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2; experimental: 2:2.99.917+git20151019-1~exp1 |
| 21:32.00 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 21:32.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-trunk-686-pae (4.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.6-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u6) |
| 21:32.14 | somiaj | tjcarter: there are a newer kernel and newer xorg video driver for intell in jessie-backports |
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| 21:32.35 | somiaj | Unsure if this is the issue or not, you would have ot chekc your /var/log/Xorg.0.log when it fails to see what is failing. But it could be you need a newwer driver |
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| 21:36.19 | tjcarter | I'll try newer kernel, I have the latest X driver but the kernel is still 3.16 |
| 21:39.40 | tjcarter | This is taking awhile because, well, Atom :) |
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| 21:48.23 | Lady_Aleena | Did you know YouTube has a script on it which will not allow Firefox users to copy and paste into comments? |
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| 21:49.31 | swift110 | he Lady_Aleena |
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| 21:50.46 | Lady_Aleena | Hello swift110. The above it so annoying, and the only fixes is either fight script with script or change a config option (which breaks other things). |
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| 21:51.50 | Lady_Aleena | From what I understand copy and paste still works for all other browsers for YouTube comments. |
| 21:52.17 | swift110 | oh i see |
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| 21:56.44 | tjcarter | somiaj: forgot to upgrade-grub2 after changing it :) X does now start! It takes over a minute to start, but it DOES start. |
| 21:57.21 | tjcarter | Looks like it installed something Gnome3ish |
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| 21:57.33 | tjcarter | I think this machine probably needs LXDE. :P |
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| 22:00.51 | somiaj | tjcarter: gnome3 is the default destkop installed unless you take action (which just means select a different desktop when tasksel runs at the end) |
| 22:01.17 | tjcarter | yeah and I didn't like an idiot. |
| 22:01.26 | tjcarter | This much I know how to fix :D |
| 22:01.53 | tjcarter | Don't know how to adjust resolution, but I'm okay with 1440x900 |
| 22:02.11 | tjcarter | I'm used to EFI machines. You often can't really. |
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| 22:02.50 | somiaj | tjcarter: adjust the resolution in the console or in x? |
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| 22:05.28 | tjcarter | somiaj: console, I know how it's done in X. :) |
| 22:05.54 | tjcarter | Usually in console I just install a mega-hella-huge font and leave it at that. |
| 22:06.10 | tjcarter | Terminus-Bold-ZOMGxWTF |
| 22:07.38 | somiaj | yea that is what I do, inside the console run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 22:07.41 | tjcarter | is rather blind as a bat |
| 22:07.46 | somiaj | (I think that ist he right package), and you have to do it in a console |
| 22:07.47 | tjcarter | yeah I did that |
| 22:07.54 | tjcarter | you don't actually |
| 22:07.58 | tjcarter | I did it over ssh |
| 22:08.13 | somiaj | tjcarter: I think you have to be on a tty (vs a pty) for it to work. |
| 22:08.26 | somiaj | it won't work if you do it form x, I assume the same will be true for ssh since you are using a pty |
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| 22:08.37 | tjcarter | It worked fine over ssh |
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| 22:08.48 | tjcarter | (it does update all vc's after all) |
| 22:08.54 | somiaj | so you have a big enough font then? |
| 22:08.59 | tjcarter | yeah |
| 22:09.04 | Algorithm | hi all |
| 22:09.09 | somiaj | I was just surprised when it woudln't make any change if running X. |
| 22:09.26 | tjcarter | Possibly because the current vc is running X. |
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| 22:10.38 | zykotick9 | somiaj: neat... i had to try from X... didn't work ;) |
| 22:10.59 | tjcarter | but the upper end console font sizes work for me. I'm blind as a bat, but not that blind as a bat. |
| 22:11.10 | somiaj | zykotick9: I think it is annoying because it should be a system setting. I just recall this because it took me and someone else way to long to figure out you have to run that in a console ot get it to work. |
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| 22:11.37 | somiaj | tjcarter: I think there is a way to change the resolution via the kms driver in the console. My solution has always been increase the font size. |
| 22:11.40 | tjcarter | I think there's still a picture of me over at joeyh's place holding up some absolutely disturbing evidence of that. :D |
| 22:11.40 | zykotick9 | somiaj: ya, i must agree - an error would be nice. 'cause it looks like it works. |
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| 22:12.50 | tjcarter | One of the early LWEs, several Debianites thought it'd be funny to take the blind guy to a shooting range. :) |
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| 22:13.27 | tjcarter | That evil piece of paper will never harm a living soul ever again. :) |
| 22:13.52 | tjcarter | That was 1999 I think? Fun times. |
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| 22:20.42 | troyz0ne | hello i am trying to install enlightenment following th e following url https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/debian-start |
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| 22:22.12 | troyz0ne | now i have this error "symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libemotion.so.1: undefined symbol: eo_constructor" |
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| 22:23.26 | troyz0ne | that is when i try to launch it from terminal |
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| 22:25.02 | tjcarter | somiaj: trying to USE the console, no, the resolution's not right |
| 22:25.21 | tjcarter | somiaj: it's using a 1024x768 window inside the 1440x900 console |
| 22:25.40 | tjcarter | X now works but that's going to be a very irritating problem. |
| 22:26.12 | zykotick9 | tjcarter: i use fbset to play with my console resolution... |
| 22:26.43 | tjcarter | zykotick9: need to set the default |
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| 22:27.50 | tjcarter | but yeah, I can twiddle it with fbset if necessary and I could write some systemd hack to set the mode globally early in the boot process, but it'd be a hack. I'd rather do this right. |
| 22:27.51 | somiaj | zykotick9: I don't think fbset works for kms, and not sure what tool changes the resolution of kms. |
| 22:28.06 | tjcarter | somiaj: It does apparently. |
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| 22:28.52 | tjcarter | but I think I may want a module parameter or something. |
| 22:29.04 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, I'm back. Did you get it fixed? |
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| 22:37.51 | aZz7eCh | Hi guys. I have Jessie runnign in a virtualbox and quite like it. So I've installed it to a system. Everything is going fine except for one program that is giving me no end of troubles when I try to install it. It installed straight forward and without ANY issues at all in my virutalbox machine ... why am i have all these dramas now? Details: |
| 22:37.52 | aZz7eCh | Komodo-Edit-9 is the program. Downloaded from their website. Unpacked and run the .sh installer file as superuser. Installs fine but gives me warnings all the way that I dont ahve GTK 2.0 installed or the latest version. So I used terminal and apt-get install'd gtk2. Rerun the .sh installer and it still gives me same warning. So reboot the system in case isntalling it hasn't registered yet. Re-run the .sh installer for Komodo Edit ... |
| 22:37.53 | aZz7eCh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:40.02 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: yes |
| 22:40.17 | aZz7eCh | really confused as to how this can be so different from the exact same distro installed in virtualbox. |
| 22:40.25 | Marsupilami23 | SWEET! what was the problem? |
| 22:41.20 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: I think the driver since after I removed everything again and installed the 352 one from the nvidia website and lightdm worked again |
| 22:41.41 | Aebian | but the one from the repo doesn't |
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| 22:42.11 | tjcarter | I really should know better than to ask, but does evince really depend on nautilus because of ICONS?! |
| 22:42.39 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, Oooooh. cool. are you working on steam yet? |
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| 22:47.38 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: already got sorted out with tha |
| 22:47.43 | Aebian | *that |
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| 22:48.14 | Aebian | Steam works ^^ |
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| 22:52.48 | heracles-gentoo | Hello |
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| 22:58.09 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, really? I couldn't. Had to use the repository nvidia driver. Cool tho |
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| 22:59.44 | somiaj | Aebian: note as I said the nvidia.com drivers don't play nicely with debian. secuirty upgrades could break your driver and you'll have to reinstall it. |
| 23:00.14 | somiaj | Aebian: you really should run nvidia-installer-cleanup (clean up what the installer did) and install the driver via debian if you want to not have to worry about secuirty/bug upgrades breaking your system. |
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| 23:03.43 | Aebian | somiaj: I did 4 times and it didn't worked so... |
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| 23:04.40 | somiaj | Aebian: feel free to do it this way, you are just running a system that is not supported by #debian and expect dpkg/apt to break things |
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| 23:07.29 | Aebian | somiaj: well I understand what you are saying but I better have a running OS instead a broken one. And so far I have no issues. If a security update rly brakes down my debian I still can do a recovery mode and uninstall the driver and install the repo one ^^ |
| 23:07.55 | somiaj | Aebian: it is just going to break X and make you have to reinstall the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 23:08.26 | somiaj | But it also could have issues with installing stuff that uses gl drivers as dpkg/apt dosen't know these drivers are installed and will overwrite them without thinking twice |
| 23:08.46 | somiaj | but just be prepared for x to break now and then |
| 23:08.59 | Aebian | yeah ^^ |
| 23:09.34 | somiaj | and in the future you should install the drivers from debian. I just think the issue is you haev artifacts on your system from the nvidia.com driver conflicting with the debian one. |
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| 23:12.30 | valent1ne | Hello |
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| 23:12.42 | valent1ne | I'm trying to install nVidia drivers on my brand new debian system |
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| 23:13.03 | valent1ne | And I get this: http://ix.io/mx2 |
| 23:13.14 | valent1ne | I have a 64bit system |
| 23:13.17 | valent1ne | Can anyone help? |
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| 23:14.33 | somiaj | valent1ne: don't install the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 23:14.46 | bezaban | valent1ne: what does uname -m display? |
| 23:14.55 | somiaj | valent1ne: What nvidia card do you have? Seems like you are a 32bit install of debian and were trying to install a 64-bit driver. |
| 23:15.05 | tjcarter | okay, does anybody know how to make KMS stop using 1024x768 inside a 1440x900 window for the console? Supposedly all you have to do to tell the kernel to use 1440x900 is tell grub to use 1440x900. And grub does. And X does. But the console absolutely does not. |
| 23:15.25 | valent1ne | uname -m says "i686 |
| 23:15.30 | valent1ne | idk what that means |
| 23:15.47 | derstrom | 32-bit |
| 23:15.54 | tjcarter | valent1ne: it means you have a 32 bit intel (or compatible) processor. |
| 23:16.03 | bezaban | kernel at least |
| 23:16.14 | valent1ne | but I dual boot 64 bit windows on the same pc... |
| 23:16.20 | tjcarter | an amd64 processir is compatible :D |
| 23:16.20 | valent1ne | Also, I have an amd cpu |
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| 23:16.37 | tjcarter | valent1ne: sounds like you installed the wrong Debian version |
| 23:16.45 | derstrom | valent1ne: You must have chosen the wrong .iso on the debian website |
| 23:16.59 | valent1ne | omg |
| 23:17.00 | valent1ne | Wow |
| 23:17.05 | valent1ne | Alright, gonna go reinstall |
| 23:17.09 | valent1ne | thanks for the help |
| 23:17.27 | derstrom | valent1ne: make sure you choose amd64 and not i386 from the download page |
| 23:17.32 | somiaj | the default netinstall you get can do both amd64 and i386, make sure you select the correct option iwhen you boot |
| 23:17.39 | somiaj | or make sure you get the correct one |
| 23:17.40 | valent1ne | ok. thanks |
| 23:17.43 | valent1ne | yeah |
| 23:17.45 | somiaj | !tell valent1ne about nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:17.48 | tjcarter | I think I remember some highly clever way to just redownload and reinstall packages, but I wouldn't recommend it. Reinstall with your saved settings is probably best |
| 23:17.50 | valent1ne | lol wow I feel dumb |
| 23:17.52 | somiaj | also use those instrucitons ot install the nvidia driver. |
| 23:18.13 | derstrom | valent1ne: For future reference, "i386 refers to the 32-bit edition and amd64 (or x86_64) refers to the 64-bit edition for Intel and AMD processors." |
| 23:18.20 | somiaj | (unless you have a new 900 series, then you don't have a driver that supports that card in debian) |
| 23:19.23 | valent1ne | alright. gonna go reinstall |
| 23:19.23 | derstrom | somiaj: or my poor 750 Ti :-(, no acceleration on nouveau on jessie |
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| 23:19.39 | mischief | hi |
| 23:19.57 | mischief | does anyone know how i can compile a program against musl libc in 32 bit mode on a amd64 host? |
| 23:20.27 | somiaj | derstrom: I just use the nvidia non-free drivers. I'm not here to debate if they should be free or not and do hope nouveau gets more help from nvidia, but I have been using the nvidia drivers for 10+ years and am happy with how they work. |
| 23:20.58 | derstrom | somiaj: well I would prefer to use nouveau but obviously I have no choice until Debian 9 comes out. I'm with you, its about individual choice. |
| 23:21.01 | somiaj | mischief: I prefer to just build a 32bit chroot and bild inside the chroot. But you can install the -dev libaries from i386 with multi arch and compile in your main enviorment. |
| 23:21.33 | mischief | somiaj: cannot, apparently. |
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| 23:22.38 | mischief | somiaj: i cannot install musl-tools, which seems to be what provides the utilities to get gcc to use musl |
| 23:22.54 | mischief | it depends on gcc:i386, and that conflicts with gcc:amd64, which is what i have installed. |
| 23:23.16 | somiaj | mischief: correct, you can't have both installed, but you can have one or the other |
| 23:23.23 | somiaj | mischief: using a 32bit chroot makes this much easier. |
| 23:23.48 | somiaj | note I think you have gcc-multiarch installed |
| 23:23.53 | mischief | i am already using a docker container, which was intended to make this 'easier' :p |
| 23:23.54 | somiaj | can install that |
| 23:24.14 | somiaj | well then why not make a 32bit docker container to compile 32bit software? |
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| 23:24.32 | mischief | it is not readily available. |
| 23:24.41 | somiaj | sorry gcc-multilib |
| 23:24.48 | cast | docker is a bit of overkill there, debootstrap .. ; chroot would suffice |
| 23:24.55 | somiaj | well having a 32bit enviroment makes compiling 32bit software a lot easier. |
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| 23:25.08 | somiaj | otherwise you will have to play with multiarch and ensure all the build componenets you use are 32bit |
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| 23:25.32 | mischief | i already use -m32, and install :i386 versions of the required libraries to link |
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| 23:25.59 | mischief | i had an issue with a crash in nss because i static linked glibc, so someone suggested musl. now i run into this trouble. |
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| 23:26.38 | somiaj | I think you are going though a lot of work vs just using a 32bit buid enviroment. (: |
| 23:26.55 | somiaj | I'm sure it can work, I just wouldn't know as I have always taken the chroot (for the few things I do compile) |
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| 23:30.24 | randomadsfads | i have trouble with compiz on debian |
| 23:30.40 | somiaj | well since compiz is not in debian it is not supported |
| 23:30.42 | somiaj | !compiz |
| 23:30.43 | dpkg | Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:31.06 | randomadsfads | ah |
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| 23:31.36 | randomadsfads | what window managers od you use? |
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| 23:32.43 | mischief | poo |
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| 23:32.54 | mischief | this musl thingy doesn't work as i expect :{ |
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| 23:34.26 | tubaman | randomadsfads: I use xfwm4 since I use xfce |
| 23:34.31 | mischief | musl-gcc can't find linux/soundcard.h ...? |
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| 23:35.42 | mischief | maybe i'll just try alpine docker image instead. |
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| 23:36.35 | sudo3 | hi |
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| 23:37.06 | sudo3 | how i run dnsmasq on ubuntu 12.04? sudo service dnsmasq start and sudo /etc/init.d/dnsmasq start doesnt work because in /etc i have only dnsmasq.d folder that dont contain any info... on debian worked very well.. |
| 23:37.59 | tubaman | sudo3: might want to ask in the #ubuntu channel |
| 23:38.16 | sudo3 | yeah tried already :( |
| 23:38.20 | sudo3 | none is answering ;/ |
| 23:38.22 | sudo3 | noone * |
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| 23:39.23 | tubaman | head over there and I'll meet you |
| 23:39.31 | bazhang | sudo3, you gave it less than one minute before crossposting in many channels |
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| 23:39.44 | peterrooney | !cross post |
| 23:39.44 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 23:40.01 | somiaj | and we dont' suppor tubuntu here, please use ubuntu support if you are running ubuntu |
| 23:40.24 | hotaronohanako | sudo3: rtfm |
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| 23:53.27 | HD|Laptop | does a trigger exist that is executed every time a new kernel is installed? |
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| 23:53.58 | HD|Laptop | I need a specific command to be run after a new kernel is installed, it has to set the path to the kernelimage for u-boot |
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| 23:54.42 | Rudde | Hey, Can I mount a RAR archive in linux? I don't want to extract it since I'm actually going to extract the iso inside it and don't want to do it double and needing twice the IO |
| 23:55.15 | somiaj | not that I know of, I think you have to unrar the archive. |
| 23:55.44 | jasabella | are you sure whatever program lets you do that isnt just extracting it to a temporary directory? :D |
| 23:55.56 | swift110 | hello all |
| 23:57.11 | frostschutz | Rudde, best you can hope for is a unrar/7z that can write to StdOut instead of creating another file |
| 23:57.13 | somiaj | Rudde: http://sourceforge.net/p/fuse/wiki/ArchiveFileSystems/#rarfs -- not sure if this is in debian though |
| 23:57.16 | somiaj | ,v rarfs |
| 23:57.17 | judd | No package named 'rarfs' was found in amd64. |
| 23:57.31 | somiaj | fuse is in debian but you'll have to get the tool outside of debian. |
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| 23:58.56 | frostschutz | rarfs: "Fuse module to mount _uncompressed_ RAR archives" well that sounds useful? |
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