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| 00:09.46 | Rudde | frostschutz: I'm not sure what I can do with that stdout stream, is there any way I could use it to then again mount the iso? or extract it? |
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| 00:10.52 | Rudde | somiaj: I've been looking at that and I used it as a permanent solution on my plex box before, but I left it due to problems with instability (randomly unmounting etc..) and I don't think I can mount one spesific rar archive with it? |
| 00:11.26 | somiaj | I am unsure, I don't use rar archives. |
| 00:11.33 | Rudde | somiaj: I'm sorry, I've been using rar2fs before |
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| 00:11.53 | Rudde | But non of the rarfs links seems to work |
| 00:11.53 | somiaj | it was just a tool I found. |
| 00:12.18 | Rudde | rarfs seems to be what I want! Thanks! :) |
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| 00:12.21 | Lionyx | Hello. What should I do after "apt-get install cmus" ? If i run cmus I get a error "Can't open /etc/decnet.conf" |
| 00:12.36 | somiaj | could be just dead projects. rar really isn't all that popular in linux. And note it only works for 'uncompressed rar files', whichi may not be practical. |
| 00:13.08 | somiaj | Lionyx: did you ever delete that file in the history of your machine? Maybe check out /usr/share/doc/vmus and they will have example .conf files |
| 00:13.19 | hexnewbie | Switch to .iso.gz? |
| 00:13.25 | Rudde | Yeah I know but it's to work with media files split for transfer purposes, they are uncompressed if following specs. |
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| 00:13.44 | jasabella | tee might be your friend |
| 00:13.57 | frostschutz | Rudde, mounting it probably won't work either way, compression formats usually do not allow random access. ditch the rar, stick to the iso, if you must compress the iso somehow try squashfs instead of rar |
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| 00:14.34 | Rudde | hexnewbie: I don't produce the files I just process them. |
| 00:14.46 | Lionyx | somiaj: just installed it with apt-get. Never messed with it before. |
| 00:15.17 | hexnewbie | Rudde: Then your best option is to extract and delete them. Writing the file shouldn't be that much time-consuming. |
| 00:15.17 | Rudde | frostschutz: Yeah I get it, but I'm just thaking what I have and undoing it, and I wanted to automated it |
| 00:15.23 | somiaj | Lionyx: i'm surprised it didn't create a config file, but check /usr/share/doc/cmus that is the place you can sometimes find additional docs and example config files. |
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| 00:15.41 | Rudde | hexnewbie: Theres are 50-80 GB file archives |
| 00:15.54 | Rudde | a double write is actually notable worse then a single one |
| 00:16.10 | Lionyx | somiaj: never mind. i had to wait for it's creation (i guess). I ctrl+c (ed) the thing before, now i just left it opened and voialla :D |
| 00:16.37 | somiaj | Lionyx: yea sometimes outputs are 'warnings' and not 'errors' |
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| 00:19.42 | Arahael | So, I have a large tar.gz on one system. How do I transfer this to another system, unpacking as I go? |
| 00:19.56 | HelloAtMega | How do I point JAVA_HOME to jdk rather to jre in Debian? |
| 00:20.02 | Arahael | (The target system has enough space to store the unpacked files, but not with the original .tar.gz as well. |
| 00:20.28 | somiaj | Arahael: does the host system have the ability to extract it? |
| 00:20.46 | Arahael | somiaj: The source system is debian. The target system is Mac OS X. |
| 00:20.49 | Arahael | somiaj: So, yes. |
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| 00:21.13 | somiaj | Arahael: I meant space. extract it and just copy over the files individually with rsync |
| 00:21.26 | somiaj | you could probabaly do this in a pipe if you really wanted to, but I'd just extract if I had the space |
| 00:21.34 | Arahael | somiaj: I suppose I could do that. Actually I think I might try netcat. |
| 00:21.57 | HelloAtMega | this is not working: |
| 00:21.58 | HelloAtMega | export JAVA_HOME /usr/local/java/jdk1.8.0_25 |
| 00:22.01 | Lionyx | somiaj: problem was it took reeeallly long to start the program :D tks |
| 00:22.30 | somiaj | HelloAtMega: JAVA_HOME="foo" |
| 00:23.18 | HelloAtMega | hum, ok |
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| 00:23.43 | HelloAtMega | bash: export: `/usr/local/java/jdk1.8.0_25': not a valid identifier |
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| 00:24.14 | HelloAtMega | got it. I guess |
| 00:24.35 | HelloAtMega | is this permanent? |
| 00:24.39 | somiaj | HelloAtMega: nope |
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| 00:25.01 | Arahael | somiaj: That does it. :) |
| 00:25.02 | somiaj | HelloAtMega: put that command in $HOME/.bashrc should make it load automatically |
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| 00:26.04 | HelloAtMega | ok |
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| 00:26.39 | somiaj | (note there is a small issue vs .bashrc and .bash_profile and login(1) shells vs other shells) |
| 00:26.45 | somiaj | man bash for more info |
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| 00:56.19 | Gerowen | Anybody know why Totem has had almost all of its GUI options pertaining to DVDs removed? There's no right click context menu or "Play Disc" options or anything. |
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| 01:07.37 | valent1ne | I'm back |
| 01:07.48 | valent1ne | Now with Debian 64 bit lol |
| 01:08.23 | valent1ne | what is the easiest way to instsall nvidia drivers? |
| 01:08.24 | zykotick9 | Gerowen: no idea about totem... but you might want to look into mpv and vlc... |
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| 01:08.49 | derstrom | valent1ne: sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver nvidia-xconfig |
| 01:09.14 | derstrom | if you are not in the sudoers group, remove sudo and instead escalate to root first, and then "apt-get install nvidia-driver nvidia-xconfig" |
| 01:09.31 | valent1ne | I added myself to sudo |
| 01:09.35 | derstrom | afterwards, execute "nvidia-xconfig" to create the X.Org configuration file, then reboot |
| 01:09.43 | valent1ne | ok. thx. |
| 01:09.44 | derstrom | then sudo apt-get ... is fine |
| 01:09.48 | valent1ne | will try |
| 01:09.55 | valent1ne | it's installing now |
| 01:10.09 | derstrom | sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver nvidia-xonfig *then* sudo nvidia-xconfig |
| 01:10.20 | valent1ne | yup. got it |
| 01:10.46 | somiaj | nvidia-xconfig shoudln't be needed and may create a non optimal xorg.conf file. Best to just add the four lines that tell it to use the display driver and ignore the rest |
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| 01:11.44 | valent1ne | oh. I mean, I haven't manually added anything to xorg.conf yet, it's still the default |
| 01:11.51 | valent1ne | Should I still do it manually? |
| 01:11.57 | derstrom | if you know what to do, yes |
| 01:12.04 | derstrom | if not, nvidia-xconfig |
| 01:12.10 | valent1ne | uh, can you point me to documentation? |
| 01:12.29 | valent1ne | If it's just adding lines to xorg.conf, it's not that big of a deal, right? |
| 01:12.31 | derstrom | I'm no expert at X.Org files, maybe somiaj can help. |
| 01:12.40 | valent1ne | oh ok. |
| 01:12.42 | derstrom | It's a configuration file, but it's the syntax I am not familiar with. |
| 01:12.53 | somiaj | correct, you just need to add a few lines, here they are |
| 01:12.55 | derstrom | I just use nvidia-xconfig |
| 01:12.57 | Gerowen | zykotick9: Yeah I've got VLC installed, but Totem seems to respond better, and VLC, for whatever reason, on both of my machines, has a thin line of green across the bottom of all my videos. It works fine if you run "totem dvd:///dev/sr0", but it'd be even nicer to just be able to have a menu option for it, oh well, :P |
| 01:12.57 | somiaj | !nvidia dkms |
| 01:12.58 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 01:14.10 | zykotick9 | Gerowen: lol - i've seen that green line before! one of the several reason i don't use it. |
| 01:14.16 | valent1ne | I can just copy and paste that command starting with "aptitude" and ending with "nvidia.conf" correct? |
| 01:15.13 | somiaj | I belive so. |
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| 01:16.24 | derstrom | valent1ne: I really would advise you to use nvidia-xconfig. It works well. |
| 01:17.30 | derstrom | Perhaps use nvidia-xconfig first, reboot, and then try creating your own x.org configuration file afterwards, backing up the original created by nvidia-xconfig. That way you have a working one to revert to in the event of a problem. |
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| 01:17.51 | derstrom | the xorg.conf file that is generated by nvidia-xconfig (or one you create yourself) is located in /etc/X11 |
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| 01:18.36 | valent1ne | derstrom: that works. will do. |
| 01:18.45 | derstrom | I assume you are familiar with moving and copying files via the terminal in case a problem happens after rebooting? |
| 01:19.12 | valent1ne | yup. I'm an Arch user |
| 01:19.24 | valent1ne | so not new to linux |
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| 01:20.05 | derstrom | ah great :) |
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| 01:20.53 | derstrom | If you manage to get xorg.conf working without relying on nvidia-xconfig, let me know. I'd be interested to check it out. |
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| 01:28.39 | edj | running wheezy. i have a directory under /dev i've never seen before - block, which contains symlinks to the real devices. as a result, mount -l lists "/dev/block/8:3 on / ", as does df and similar commands. what's going on? udev rules? |
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| 01:32.59 | Lionyx | Hello again! Now I can use emacs inside tty with mouse support (menus tks to framebuffer (i think...))! tks to dpkg-reconfigure console-setup (awsome tool!!!), but if i get INTO tmux, things change. Colors change, emacs does not open it's menus, and i get pissed! Why dear fellows, WHY? |
| 01:33.51 | somiaj | look into tmux options, it is a layer between the terminal and the display |
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| 01:34.21 | somiaj | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/50733/cant-use-mouse-properly-when-running-vim-in-tmux |
| 01:34.33 | somiaj | that is for vim, but I bet the tmux config is the same |
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| 01:35.19 | valent1ne | So I just rebooted |
| 01:35.24 | valent1ne | And I couldn't get into my system |
| 01:35.33 | valent1ne | X won't start, I think |
| 01:35.42 | Lionyx | somiaj: do u get paied? you help me a lot man!! =D i'll take a look at it! |
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| 01:35.48 | valent1ne | How do I get into a shell withought X? |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell valent1ne about nodm |
| 01:36.00 | Aebian | Press WIndows-Key + F6 |
| 01:36.05 | Aebian | valent1ne: ^ |
| 01:36.10 | derstrom | valent1ne: did you use nvidia-xconfig? |
| 01:36.12 | valent1ne | yeah |
| 01:36.13 | somiaj | valent1ne: like ctrl-alt-f2 (or to not boot into a xorg like the bot told you) |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | Eh, WinKey+F6 won't do a darn thing |
| 01:36.50 | valent1ne | so ctrl alt f2? |
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| 01:36.57 | Aebian | worked for me abrotman |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | I"m on Jessie, doesn't do anything |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | (On Gnome3) |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | valent1ne: yes |
| 01:37.37 | Aebian | I'm also on Jessie lol |
| 01:37.43 | Aebian | and also Gnome3 lol |
| 01:37.57 | valent1ne | also, what do I do now |
| 01:38.07 | valent1ne | Because nvidia-xconfig breaks my system |
| 01:39.29 | somiaj | valent1ne: did you copy and paste the line the bot gave you as well? |
| 01:39.37 | valent1ne | nope |
| 01:39.41 | Lionyx | Did not worked somiaj. I think it's something related of my using it with tty and no term emulator |
| 01:39.47 | valent1ne | you guys told me not to |
| 01:39.52 | somiaj | valent1ne: i.e. do you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 01:40.06 | somiaj | Lionyx: check though the options then, tmux needs to be able to correctly pass the events though to emacs. |
| 01:40.22 | somiaj | Lionyx: so if it is possible it will be somewhere in the tmux options, check various mouse modes. |
| 01:40.24 | valent1ne | uhhm, I'm on windows rn, let me go log into my broken debian first lol |
| 01:41.22 | Lionyx | somiaj: ok. i was just doing it. i've got pratically all mouse options into my tmux.conf file. |
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| 01:45.54 | derstrom | I wonder if valent1ne has dual graphics |
| 01:46.15 | derstrom | that sounds like a possible cause |
| 01:46.42 | derstrom | does the nvidia driver support dual graphics on linux? |
| 01:47.01 | derstrom | or is it just projects like bumblebee? |
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| 01:47.51 | beepie | bzzzzes |
| 01:47.57 | beepie | sting! |
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| 01:55.11 | xodd | hi :) i installed mate as desktop enviorment, but i changed my mind to gnome, is there a simple way to remove the mate packaged and install gnome instead? |
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| 01:57.50 | abrotman | xodd: removing mate-common might be a decentstart |
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| 01:59.58 | bocaneri | Salutations. |
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| 02:00.42 | the_other_cat | xodd: I don't use neither of them, but sudo apt-get remove mate-common, sudo apt-get install gnome should do the trick. Your login manager has a small cogwheel where you can change to gnome afterwards |
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| 02:01.15 | bocaneri | Can anybody advise on how to create a bootable Jump drive containing the first install DVD of Debian Jessie on what is presently a Windows 10 system? |
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| 02:01.54 | bazhang | debian is hybrid afaik |
| 02:02.43 | bazhang | dd should do it, even just cat |
| 02:04.02 | bocaneri | Windows 10 has dd? |
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| 02:05.00 | derstrom | bocaneri: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 02:05.06 | derstrom | *should* work |
| 02:05.27 | bazhang | windd sure |
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| 02:05.52 | beepie | bocaneri, w32imager ? |
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| 02:06.06 | beepie | bocaneri, assuming i know what the question is, creating a debian bootable from windows |
| 02:06.29 | bocaneri | beepie: correct. |
| 02:06.37 | beepie | bocaneri, use the diskmgmt.msc or whatever disk manager, format 1 large fat32 partition on the usb |
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| 02:06.54 | bocaneri | It's already so formatted. |
| 02:06.55 | beepie | bocaneri, then use the w32imager program, and select that letter drive relating to the usb |
| 02:07.03 | derstrom | bocaneri: pendrivelinux or win32diskimager |
| 02:07.53 | beepie | bocaneri, the w32imager is better imho i believe it does 'dd'-like behaviour |
| 02:07.58 | bocaneri | win32diskimager: not found. Clicking links. |
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| 02:08.07 | beepie | bocaneri, try w32image |
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| 02:08.17 | beepie | bocaneri, http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
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| 02:08.27 | bocaneri | w32image: not found |
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| 02:10.41 | bocaneri | kk, installed the thing from sourceforge. Can't RUN it because it "requires elevation". |
| 02:11.58 | beepie | yeah because it needs raw access to the usb device |
| 02:12.38 | bocaneri | Trying to FIND the goddamn thing again. |
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| 02:14.17 | bocaneri | .... oh. "Run as Administrator". Skeezy excuse for a sudo. |
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| 02:15.46 | bocaneri | I really hope this install goes fairly smoothly. Windows 10 gets in my face no less than Vista did. |
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| 02:17.18 | beepie | uses 6-inch usb extensions to overcome occassional usb-compatibility hardware issues |
| 02:17.29 | beepie | usb devices are much less problematic than cd's.. |
| 02:17.47 | beepie | if that fails, then ... |
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| 02:18.15 | beepie | blame the hardware :) |
| 02:18.52 | bocaneri | I'm fully well aware that installing linux on new hardware is fraught with oh-ohs. Hoping Asus didn't throw too many obstacles. |
| 02:19.08 | bocaneri | Intel Core i3. |
| 02:19.19 | derstrom | bocaneri: just bear in mind Debian 8 is on 3.16.x |
| 02:19.26 | derstrom | linux kernel |
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| 02:19.58 | derstrom | concerning hardware support etc |
| 02:19.59 | bocaneri | Yea? So's my desktop, and it's giving me NO grief. |
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| 02:20.37 | valent1ne | Sooo, cinnamon crashes everytime I restart |
| 02:20.43 | valent1ne | At least I get into the login screen |
| 02:20.52 | beepie | valent1ne, wrong channel XD |
| 02:21.18 | derstrom | valent1ne: Do you have dual graphics? |
| 02:21.19 | beepie | valent1ne, oh the mate packages are yet available? kewl didnt notice |
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| 02:21.32 | derstrom | beepie: he's on Debian |
| 02:21.36 | derstrom | s/he* |
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| 02:21.45 | valent1ne | No. I have a gtx 970 |
| 02:21.56 | valent1ne | Er, what do you mean by dual graphics |
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| 02:22.09 | valent1ne | I have a cpu with integrated graphics |
| 02:22.10 | derstrom | e.g. Intel integrated GPU + discrete nvidia |
| 02:22.20 | derstrom | yes that might be the cause of problems with the nvidia driver |
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| 02:22.43 | valent1ne | yeah. nvidia-xconfig broke everything |
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| 02:22.50 | valent1ne | I think I might just do a fresh instasll |
| 02:22.52 | derstrom | See: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#Bumblebee_Project |
| 02:22.53 | valent1ne | That might just be easier |
| 02:22.57 | derstrom | valent1ne: hang on before you do that |
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| 02:23.02 | derstrom | you can easily remove the nvidia driver |
| 02:23.15 | valent1ne | how? |
| 02:23.32 | valent1ne | I removed xorg.conf, but that was it |
| 02:23.39 | derstrom | and revert to nouveau |
| 02:23.39 | derstrom | If you want to revert, fire up a terminal window and execute sudo apt-get purge nvidia*, then sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bk |
| 02:24.05 | derstrom | then: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau libgl1-mesa-dri (but these should already be installed) |
| 02:24.29 | derstrom | then restart |
| 02:25.02 | derstrom | when you use purge nvidia*, you'll get a lot of results as it lists many packages you won't have installed; just pay attention to the packages it wants to remove |
| 02:25.54 | derstrom | valent1ne: e.g. this is what is returned for me: https://paste.debian.net/338724/ |
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| 02:26.00 | derstrom | all of them are related to nvidia |
| 02:26.05 | derstrom | and exist in contrib or non-free |
| 02:26.41 | valent1ne | hmm |
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| 02:26.53 | valent1ne | I initially installed the drivers through the install on the nvidia website |
| 02:27.00 | valent1ne | so idk if apt-get will get rid of it |
| 02:27.26 | valent1ne | but I'll try it. |
| 02:27.31 | valent1ne | I followed this |
| 02:27.37 | valent1ne | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
| 02:33.14 | valent1ne | Alright, I'm goning to fix debian tomorrow. At least half my hard drive still has a working OS. Thanks for all the help today |
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| 03:33.10 | finetundra | Anyone around? |
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| 03:34.30 | bocaneri | Well, that was a doddle and a piece 'a' piss. Thank you EVERYBODY for telling me how to put Debian on my laptop. It works. |
| 03:35.17 | finetundra | Can anyone help me with x11 forwarding? |
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| 03:36.20 | somiaj | finetundra: what in patciular do you need help with? |
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| 03:36.45 | somiaj | finetundra: What is the server and client os? |
| 03:37.30 | finetundra | somiaj: I'm getting an error saying the connection is refused. Host is debian, client is windows using xming and putty |
| 03:38.00 | somiaj | finetundra: have you checked that X11Forwarding is set to use on the server? |
| 03:38.13 | finetundra | somiaj: yes |
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| 03:40.04 | somiaj | Just making sure, I thought the default was to have it turned off. |
| 03:40.30 | finetundra | somiaj: it is, I just had it turned on |
| 03:41.53 | somiaj | can you connect via putty just fine to the server? |
| 03:43.04 | finetundra | Yeah |
| 03:43.25 | finetundra | just can't start applications that need xserver |
| 03:43.55 | somiaj | You went and turned X11 forwarding on in putty's settings menu before connencting to the server? |
| 03:44.02 | finetundra | yeah |
| 03:44.53 | somiaj | The xming server is running? What error do you get when you try to run a gui program? |
| 03:45.58 | finetundra | somiaj: I'm stupid. freaking xming wasn't running |
| 03:47.02 | finetundra | This is why I don't try to do things without sleep |
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| 03:51.23 | tjcarter | Hey all, I think I need some systemd help |
| 03:51.48 | tjcarter | Somehow upgrading to the jessie-backports kernel broke ⦠something network related. |
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| 03:52.14 | tjcarter | the e1000 driver doesn't get installed, eth0 doesn't exist, sshd doesn't start, etc. |
| 03:52.27 | tjcarter | since the console is still basically busted, this is a problem. |
| 03:52.30 | wadadli | Can LILO be removed and GRUB2 installed outside of the debian installer? |
| 03:53.57 | tjcarter | It's hard to use a Linux box with a broken console and no network :( |
| 03:54.14 | somiaj | wadadli: any recorvery/live system with the ability to chroot into the system |
| 03:54.17 | tjcarter | is really starting to hate systemd :/ |
| 03:56.19 | wadadli | somiaj: can grub2 be installed on disk without a partition? |
| 03:56.35 | wadadli | somiaj: or does it have to be formated in a special file system |
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| 04:07.26 | TrustInHim | hi |
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| 04:09.59 | sauvin | I have systems A and B, both Debian Jessie. System B is a brand new install. System A has buttloads of stuff installed that I would like to install on system B, but an concerned about suich things as xorg drivers, video drivers, etc that the machines do not have in common. Is there an easy way to filter for these? |
| 04:11.22 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 04:11.22 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 04:12.06 | somiaj | for the most part just clone the packages. Since the drivers are mostly part of the kernel it shoudl be fine |
| 04:12.20 | sauvin | "should be". |
| 04:12.41 | TrustInHim | are Jews evil because they don't read the bible? |
| 04:12.43 | sauvin | What you're saying is that in theory I could just suck in a dpkg -get-selections or something. |
| 04:12.50 | sauvin | o.O |
| 04:12.53 | VelvetUndergroun | Hi Debian, for the last several hours i am trying to find out how can i load ~/.Xmodmap everytime i login. I followed many instructions but it does not work. Can you please help me, so i can load my Xmodmap? |
| 04:13.06 | sauvin | !ops trustinhim trawling |
| 04:13.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: sauvin complains about: trustinhim trawling |
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| 04:14.23 | TrustInHim | read the bible and repent |
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| 04:17.48 | somiaj | sauvin: the aptitude clone will preserve the auto install flag where that would not. But yes. For the most part drivers and network configuration and the core stuff is setup by the installer (unless you say need non-free firmware, or third party drivers) |
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| 04:18.22 | sauvin | During the install, the installer complained about some rtl-something-or-other not being present. Any idea what that might be? |
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| 04:19.52 | sauvin | ... oh. Something about eth0, but that's WORKING. |
| 04:19.53 | sauvin | Hrm. |
| 04:20.26 | somiaj | sauvin: so copying the package list will get the same software, copying configs from $HOME (for user configs) |
| 04:21.07 | sauvin | Yea, not worried about configs. Gotta sort through those anyway, but I don't really want to sort through fifteen thousand packages. |
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| 04:48.58 | tjcarter | So I basically have this problem and no solution: https://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2011/06/msg00059.html |
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| 04:49.44 | tjcarter | Except that X apparently works properly |
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| 04:51.18 | PineappleLocks | Tried istalling debian and having a few problems |
| 04:51.27 | PineappleLocks | anyone an expert |
| 04:51.35 | PineappleLocks | so I mounted it to a usb stick |
| 04:51.58 | PineappleLocks | formatted to fat32 |
| 04:51.58 | PineappleLocks | using linux live cd creator |
| 04:51.59 | tjcarter | I can only find solutions for X11, but X11 isn't the problem |
| 04:52.00 | PineappleLocks | installed it, as per usual |
| 04:52.12 | PineappleLocks | then I go to check the main directory |
| 04:52.29 | PineappleLocks | and my dick gets stuck in a toaster |
| 04:52.36 | PineappleLocks | any tips? |
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| 04:55.34 | tjcarter | would tear his hair out if he had any. :P |
| 04:56.36 | tjcarter | okay, screw it: What is the systemd replacement /etc/rc.local? |
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| 04:57.14 | tjcarter | The "proper" way to do it doesn't work. The documentation all says to do stuff that's Not the right way to do it". |
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| 04:57.47 | tjcarter | The kernel explicitly throws away what grub tells it |
| 04:58.39 | tjcarter | The only thing that hasn't given me a broken console without manually running fbset is to disable KMS. |
| 04:58.48 | tjcarter | but I'm "not supposed to" do that. |
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| 05:00.56 | tjcarter | Absolutely NOTHING in https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting is correct anymore about i915 |
| 05:01.02 | tjcarter | not one of those files still exists. |
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| 05:02.30 | chomwitt | i get strange locale errors in a fresh jessy installation on a vps. eg: locale will give locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 05:09.39 | tjcarter | ... |
| 05:09.58 | tjcarter | /etc/rc.local apparently doesn't get run by systemd. It exists, but it doesn't run |
| 05:10.25 | tjcarter | I'm beginning to understand why Debian was forked over this pile of horse-crap. |
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| 05:14.07 | isReKT2000 | tjcarter, also, that wiki article is from 6.0.0 (Squeeze) or lower |
| 05:14.22 | tjcarter | isReKT2000: that much is obvious. |
| 05:14.36 | tjcarter | but it's the only documentation I've been able to find for Debian |
| 05:14.42 | isReKT2000 | huh. |
| 05:14.45 | tjcarter | anything else just parrots it. |
| 05:15.31 | tjcarter | lots of stuff about telling GRUB what mode to use |
| 05:15.40 | tjcarter | but the kernel ignores it and uses 1440x900 |
| 05:15.52 | tjcarter | which is fine, that's the max resolution of my monitor |
| 05:16.24 | tjcarter | if the console would kindly USE THAT RESOLUTION instead of a tiny window inside of that resolution, I'd be happy. |
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| 05:17.15 | tjcarter | I can't read the fonts inside the tiny window, and if I make them larger, I can't actually use the console because only a few characters fit inside the window |
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| 05:18.02 | tjcarter | I feel like Daffy Duck saying "Heeeey, gimme a close up, a close up! ... This is a close-up?" |
| 05:19.06 | tjcarter | and after somiaj told me that disabling KMS (the only thing thus far that has given me a working console) is "wrong" ... |
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| 05:22.42 | tjcarter | The amazing thing is that it seems to know that this is a 1440x900 monitor. It's just not willing to set up the console with it. |
| 05:22.55 | tjcarter | If it were, I could just set a font with console-setup |
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| 05:55.25 | somiaj | tjcarter: I never said it was wrong, I said it wasn't the modern approach. Also kms includes a framebuffer. CONFIG_DRM_I915_FBDEV=y. As for why you don't see much documntation is for the most part kms just works. I'm unsure about your paticular issue. If disabling modsetting is the only way to get your consoles to work like you want it isn't wrong, it just isn't the modern approach to consoles. |
| 05:56.00 | somiaj | but I wasn't able to find any decent documentation on it either. I do know it works just fine on my haswel integrated i5 chip |
| 05:56.11 | tjcarter | somiaj: we think we've narrowed it down a little. My monitor doesn't report any(!) modes, just timings. |
| 05:56.42 | tjcarter | so the kernel seems to be using 1440x900 which is optimal for timings, and then defaulting to whatever seems like a good default mode. |
| 05:56.52 | somiaj | there are ways to force the kms driver to use a custom edid file, unsure on the details. Saw this on the arch wiki but they had options for including it in the kernel, but it might just be correct module configs |
| 05:57.29 | tjcarter | Yeah I saw that, and there were supposed to be some files you could use, but I haven't got them and don't know where they come from. |
| 05:57.31 | somiaj | It seems there are some built in edid files you can use for standard resolutions. Again only saw this on the arch wiki and not sure what is needed to get this working in debian. |
| 05:57.52 | tjcarter | I ended up beating my head against systemd for 20 minutes to figure out how to get it to run /etc/rc.local |
| 05:58.03 | tjcarter | that just does fbset -a -g 1440 900 1440 900 32 |
| 05:58.10 | tjcarter | that works. |
| 05:58.19 | tjcarter | It's not "right", but it works. |
| 05:58.27 | somiaj | yea it seems that fbset wwill work since the kms driver includes a framebuffer driver |
| 05:59.01 | somiaj | it isn't wrong either, seems kms is the kernel side and there is a frame buffer driver (CONFIG_DRM_I915_FBDEV=y included) |
| 05:59.03 | tjcarter | if there's some other place I ought to be setting something for fbset, I dunno what it is. |
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| 05:59.32 | tjcarter | shoving a hack in /etc/rc.local is never "right". ;) |
| 05:59.49 | somiaj | na, unsure if it will honor boot flags. I think the correct approach is if it is reading a bad edid file to supply it with a good one. I'm just unsure how to do that for the kms driver (I have only supplied a modified edid file for my xorg) |
| 05:59.56 | tjcarter | That was true back in the days of bo and hamm :P |
| 06:00.27 | tjcarter | I don't know how to get/make a "good" edid file |
| 06:00.35 | tjcarter | If I did, I could probably get it installed |
| 06:01.09 | tjcarter | Apparently you pass an argument to a module (mentioned in that arch wiki page which keeps coming up). |
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| 06:02.16 | sje46 | I have Wheezy. I want to use testing. Do I need to upgrade to Jessie first? |
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| 06:04.31 | somiaj | sje46: yes |
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| 06:05.10 | somiaj | tjcarter: looking at the model drm_kms_helper, I see a edid_firmware setting, "edid_firmware:Do not probe monitor, use specified EDID blob from built-in data or /lib/firmware instead. (string) |
| 06:05.24 | markybob | sje46, and please read the release notes |
| 06:05.31 | sje46 | somiaj: it's considered unsafe to go from wheezy to testing? |
| 06:05.49 | somiaj | tjcarter: dosen't look like that 1400 resolution is a built in one. |
| 06:05.50 | markybob | sje46, yes |
| 06:06.03 | somiaj | sje46: upgrade scripts are designed to upgrade from a specific version |
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| 06:06.20 | somiaj | sje46: upgrade scripts in stretch are not designed to upgrade from wheezy and as such may fail. |
| 06:06.54 | sje46 | Thank you! |
| 06:07.08 | sje46 | I'll look into what goes into upgrading w to j. |
| 06:07.20 | somiaj | tjcarter: but maybe krm_kms_helper.edid_firmware=edid/1280x1024.bin will work. |
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| 06:07.48 | somiaj | tjcarter: that is drm_kms_helper, if not you might be able to find a workable edid file for the resolution you want. |
| 06:08.28 | sje46 | the link http://deb.li/ldcj that dpkg told me to look at for release notes is throwing a 503. |
| 06:08.52 | somiaj | sje46: just searc 'debian jesie release notes' in google. |
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| 06:15.16 | tjcarter | somiaj: yeah, you put an edid file in /lib/firmware/edid/<something>.bin |
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| 06:17.08 | somiaj | tjcarter: but if the fbset works I'd stick with that |
| 06:17.27 | somiaj | tjcarter: it is probably easier to make a custom .service file to run the fbscript than to use rc.local, but seems you got that figured out |
| 06:18.17 | tjcarter | somiaj: I know next to nothing about systemd. What little experience I've had with it has been maddeningly obnoxious. |
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| 06:18.56 | tjcarter | I've had packages routinely break it during Raspbian's transition to it |
| 06:19.17 | somiaj | From the user end it is just a change in the tools you use. I don't get into the systemd debate here, but for the most part once you learn a few little things about it, you can be as comfortable with it as sysvinit |
| 06:19.35 | poffs | hey can you run debian on a rasberry pi zero? or do you have to use their OS? I have no framiliarity with rasberry pi ... just arduino and that was useless |
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| 06:19.52 | somiaj | Well runing moving targets tend to do that, but I don't know raspbians release model. |
| 06:20.01 | tjcarter | somiaj: it seriously lacks documentation to help people get used to it. |
| 06:20.47 | tjcarter | mind you, I also deal with Mac systems regularly and when they first introduced launchd there was a lot of the same problem |
| 06:20.51 | somiaj | poffs: I belive so, rasbian is just a custom image (with tweaks). I'm unsure what sort of tweaks you will need to get debian proper on the device, but I'm sure it is possible. |
| 06:21.01 | tjcarter | But everybody HATED it until that documentation materialized. |
| 06:21.24 | tjcarter | Debian mostly just works on the Raspberry Pi v2. |
| 06:21.39 | tjcarter | armhf in Debian is armv7, and the v2 is armv7. |
| 06:21.58 | tjcarter | All other Pis are armv6, so armhf won't run. |
| 06:22.26 | somiaj | the Pi zero is their brand new $5 board, my guess is it will be armv7, but I dind't check the details |
| 06:22.32 | tjcarter | it's not |
| 06:22.35 | tjcarter | it's armv6. |
| 06:22.51 | tjcarter | part of why it's $5 :) |
| 06:22.55 | somiaj | ahh |
| 06:23.18 | tjcarter | You could use Debian's armel target on the Pi, but that would suck donkey. |
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| 06:23.48 | tjcarter | They did for awhile just use armel, but part of why Raspbian was necessary was to have armhf be armv6-based. |
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| 06:24.09 | tjcarter | I wish they had created a new arch instead of renaming armhf. |
| 06:25.09 | tjcarter | If they had created armhf-v6 or something Raspbian could basically BE Debian with a bootloder that can handle /boot being fat32 |
| 06:25.23 | tjcarter | has often wished GRUB could do that with EFI. |
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| 06:25.54 | tjcarter | Actually, the fact that it can't is one reason I typically use refit instead. |
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| 06:26.46 | tjcarter | actually I think it might be Debian's kernel packages that can't cope. |
| 06:26.53 | tjcarter | I don't know that GRUB cares :) |
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| 06:35.53 | netsrotti | Hi, is it possible to use mozilla.debian.net to install iceweasel 42.0 on armhf? |
| 06:36.42 | netsrotti | I'm getting 404 error when I added them to sources.list |
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| 06:38.30 | netsrotti | the line I added to sources.list was: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release |
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| 06:45.27 | somiaj | It could be m.d.n only builds i386 and amd64 packages. You may have to get the source and build your own. |
| 06:46.27 | somiaj | http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-release/i/iceweasel/ -- yea I don't see any armhf packages. |
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| 06:48.19 | netsrotti | somiaj: thanks for confirming that. The guides I have tried for compiling it on my own hasnt worked for me. I need to know the depends of iceweasel 42.0 on jessie. |
| 06:48.45 | netsrotti | depends for building it that is. |
| 06:49.15 | netsrotti | I have compiled it many times manually in gentoo amd64 |
| 06:49.18 | somiaj | once you have a deb-src line in your sources.list, 'apt-get build-dep iceweasel' will do that |
| 06:49.54 | somiaj | you can also build in a chroot if you don't want to install all the build stuff on your main system. Cross compiling is also an option but I'm not familar with that. |
| 06:49.59 | netsrotti | somiaj: ok then I need to figure out how to add that to sources.list |
| 06:50.17 | somiaj | netsrotti: it will just like a deb foo line but it starts deb-src |
| 06:50.22 | somiaj | at least for all the main debian mirrors |
| 06:50.59 | somiaj | !deb-src |
| 06:50.59 | dpkg | 'deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib non-free' (for example), replace with your own for a local mirror. Ask me about <source> for some information about how to build stuff, make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and the libc6-dev packages installed. |
| 06:51.00 | netsrotti | crosscompiling doesnt look fun and I got plenty of time so I see no reason why. |
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| 06:51.25 | somiaj | netsrotti: just worried about space, sometimes it is limited on arm systems (: |
| 06:52.02 | netsrotti | I got plenty of space too. |
| 06:53.45 | netsrotti | well not unlimited space but if I can avoid running any other systems I would be very happpy. Got broken fans in my amd64 machine that hurts my ears... |
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| 07:00.09 | netsrotti | and I also want to push what I can do with just using my rpi2b |
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| 07:05.03 | netsrotti | as I don't think it's possible for me to use debian kernel with rpi2b. Is it going to be trouble building iceweasel 42.0? |
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| 07:09.27 | netsrotti | btw the reason I'm doing this is because I want VOIP that is easy to use crossplatform and found mumble too buggy. |
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| 07:43.16 | hatesec | sup |
| 07:43.32 | hatesec | hang out w/ me http://chronicle.su/radio just listening to dank stonermetal |
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| 07:48.32 | PokerGod | this is strange, lftp is going .. however iptraf -d eth0 doesn't show any speeds .. and i only have 2 devices... lo and eth09 |
| 07:48.36 | PokerGod | this is strange, lftp is going .. however iptraf -d eth0 doesn't show any speeds .. and i only have 2 devices... lo and eth0 |
| 07:48.44 | PokerGod | sorry && |
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| 07:56.45 | heypaleblue | Hey all, Quick question to the channel, What Tech books iare everyone reading? Looks like play books is having ahugee sale |
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| 07:57.02 | heypaleblue | Right now I am learning python and am of course interested in Linux books |
| 07:57.16 | PokerGod | yay load |
| 07:57.23 | PokerGod | nload |
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| 08:23.42 | SpeedyG | there's various, check https://wiki.debian.org/Webcam :) |
| 08:24.08 | SpeedyG | cheese might be an idea, not sure if it also records sound though :) |
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| 09:37.34 | NoCode | Hi, should I be using Debian Testing? |
| 09:37.51 | NoCode | I remember using Squeeze while in testing. |
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| 09:53.03 | varaindemian | everytime when I open the app "Fies" under Gnome DE it shows me all files (even the hidden ones) so I have to press Ctrl-h to make it hide back those files. How do I make it run normal? |
| 09:55.17 | Slf | Hmm what's normal these days. |
| 09:55.42 | pentothal | lol Slf |
| 09:55.51 | varaindemian | so? |
| 09:55.53 | Slf | Have you had a look at the preferences? |
| 09:56.44 | Slf | There should be an option for the default file view. |
| 09:56.48 | varaindemian | where are located properties for "Files"? |
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| 09:58.23 | varaindemian | ? |
| 09:59.30 | Slf | I am just guessing. Is the application Nautilus? |
| 10:00.23 | varaindemian | yes |
| 10:00.53 | Slf | http://askubuntu.com/questions/134371/how-do-i-set-default-view-to-list-in-nautilus-file-manager |
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| 10:01.13 | Slf | Maybe this helps |
| 10:01.29 | varaindemian | done |
| 10:01.35 | varaindemian | Slf: thx |
| 10:02.32 | varaindemian | also, when I installed debian I chose not to install third party drivers or something like that (for bluetooth and other things). How do I install all that stuff? |
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| 10:03.17 | at0m | dpkg: tell varaindemian about firmware |
| 10:05.38 | varaindemian | at0m: so how do I find the non free firmware? |
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| 10:07.10 | at0m | varaindemian: they're under firmware-linux-nonfree meta-package |
| 10:07.25 | Slf | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 10:07.50 | dontknow | anyone use jessie with ssd? should i do something extra when installing? |
| 10:08.02 | jelly | dpkg, tell varaindemian about non-free sources |
| 10:08.15 | dontknow | i am considering switch to ssd |
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| 10:08.32 | at0m | dontknow: no, that's totally transparent, no need to do anything special |
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| 10:09.01 | at0m | dontknow: ùaybe fstrim from time to time |
| 10:09.06 | at0m | *maybe |
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| 10:09.47 | dontknow | at0m, what do you mean with fstrim? |
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| 10:09.56 | dontknow | how can i do that? |
| 10:10.06 | at0m | apt show fstrim |
| 10:10.38 | dontknow | at0m, there is no such package |
| 10:10.45 | jelly | dontknow: in theory, not much. I like to leave some 10% space completely unused, unpartitioned, in hopes it makes the SSD be alive a little longer |
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| 10:10.53 | varaindemian | dontknow: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives |
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| 10:11.05 | at0m | dontknow: oh, "The fstrim command is part of the util-linux package" |
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| 10:12.03 | dontknow | jelly, at0m is it ok just install and do nothing? |
| 10:12.08 | Slf | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/218076/ssd-how-often-should-i-do-fstrim |
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| 10:14.29 | jelly | dontknow: with a recent ssd, probably yes |
| 10:15.20 | dontknow | jelly, i didn't get exactly why you leave %10 space. you leave that as partition or? |
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| 10:16.13 | Slf | To have some headroom if cells are dying? |
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| 10:17.10 | dontknow | jelly, is it ok to encrypt with luks the ssd? |
| 10:17.13 | jelly | Slf: no, for the internal algorythms to have more slack to work with, and _delay_ cells starting to die |
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| 10:18.52 | dontknow | ok. i will do nothing after installing debian then |
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| 10:19.33 | jelly | dontknow: yes, but luks writes to all its allocated space by default so it might make even more sense to leave some extra unused |
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| 10:20.10 | dontknow | jelly, where to leave extra space. could you elaborate? |
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| 10:20.40 | jelly | doesn't matter, some 10% unpartitioned at the end of the disk for example |
| 10:21.05 | dontknow | jelly, what if i don't? |
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| 10:21.43 | jelly | then you hope and rely on vendor's standard specs |
| 10:22.07 | NoCode | Hi, loading up iceweasel, i can't seem to get any sound. But when I test my speakers with the KDE applet the speakers seem to work. Any ideas? |
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| 10:23.38 | jelly | dontknow: ssd vendors say something like "this device will work for at least 3 years if not more than 20 GB is written daily to it". The user has to make sure that is true. If you write a lot more, eg. not have enough RAM and putting swap space on said SSD, it might die earlier. |
| 10:24.40 | dontknow | jelly, ok. i am not going to write 20gb daily anyway! |
| 10:24.46 | Slf | Jelly, I think most drives already have an extra space for this. Seems like this topic is very controversial. |
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| 10:25.25 | dontknow | NoCode, you get no sound from videos? |
| 10:26.08 | jelly | Slf: they do, my thinking is "if the default 7% slack space gives me 3 years usage, why not give it 14% extra and hope the SSD lives for 9 years" |
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| 10:27.15 | dontknow | NoCode, make sure gstreamer1.0-* packages are installed |
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| 10:27.47 | varaindemian | clear |
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| 10:29.17 | NoCode | dontknow, Thanks I'll try that out. |
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| 10:30.07 | Haxxa | I am considering moving from windows 10 to linux, I want an OS that is stable, well supported, offers a few choices in Desktop Enviroments and uses apt. Considering Debian... |
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| 10:31.56 | at0m | Haxxa: https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian long read! |
| 10:32.03 | NoCode | What type of sound system does KDE use nowadays? |
| 10:32.18 | NoCode | I doubt it's ALSA. :D |
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| 10:33.16 | dontknow | jelly, my last question. which ssd should i buy? what is yours |
| 10:34.10 | NoCode | KDE use pulseaudio? |
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| 10:34.28 | Slf | Yeah think it's pulseaudio |
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| 10:38.26 | jelly | dontknow: I don't know anything about devices that are on the market at present time, investigate yourself |
| 10:38.41 | dontknow | jelly, ok |
| 10:39.17 | NoCode | Guess I'll restart xorg to see if there are any changes to audio. Dunno if that'd make a difference. |
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| 10:57.29 | hiya | how do I optimize Debian Jessie? |
| 10:57.44 | hiya | It just won't work right and freezes a lot |
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| 10:58.29 | digdilem | hiya, that sounds bad, but debian works very well out of the box. have you looked in /var/log/syslog or used dmesg after such a freeze to trace down a problem? |
| 10:58.46 | digdilem | hiya, my guess is a failing hard drive, and you'll see irq errors. Or some other hardware fault. |
| 10:58.55 | hiya | digdilem, It is brand new laptop |
| 10:58.56 | hiya | Dell |
| 10:58.58 | digdilem | (irq, dma or i/o read errors) |
| 10:59.07 | hiya | i5-4th gen 4G Ram Intel HD 4400 graphics |
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| 10:59.19 | hiya | digdilem, I think the Full Disk Encryption is causing issues |
| 10:59.26 | digdilem | then return it for replacement :) |
| 10:59.33 | hiya | Or outdated iceweasel |
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| 11:01.52 | hiya | digdilem, how do I check for logs? it is mostly OpenVPN bugs I guess :( |
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| 11:02.16 | digdilem | "dmesg" or "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and variants |
| 11:02.47 | hiya | I think it is FDE issues |
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| 11:03.21 | hiya | digdilem, whenever the system freezes it is either a well known issue where you have gedit open in root and you goto Activity Menu |
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| 11:03.43 | hiya | or it shows OpenVPN connection last running and log is like @@@@@@!!!@@@@@ |
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| 11:18.47 | Aebian | sound broken whats the best option for fixing this? Insatall ALSA or Pulseaduio? |
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| 11:25.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell Aebian about alsa checklist |
| 11:27.00 | Aebian | thc jelly |
| 11:27.02 | Aebian | *thx |
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| 11:35.36 | kalpu | Hi, for my wlan client I want that it is always connected to the AP with the best signal value. There are multiple Accesspoints with the same essid in the same network so that a seemless hand-over is possible. But what do I need to configure on the client side? The wlan driver doesn't support SIOCSIWSENS. |
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| 11:37.55 | Aebian | ah I think my gamecom headset is the issue. Its not getting listed in the mixer |
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| 11:49.22 | kikipoule | Hi everybody. Hi have a problem on my debian 8. VirtualBox don't work :c |
| 11:49.25 | L3gacy | Morning :D |
| 11:49.49 | kikipoule | http://hpics.li/7ae03e1 |
| 11:49.52 | towo` | "don't work" sayes nothing |
| 11:50.04 | kikipoule | http://hpics.li/3364219 |
| 11:50.28 | kikipoule | Good morning l3gacy :D |
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| 11:50.51 | L3gacy | I hated installing Debian 8 on my Dell PE2950 |
| 11:51.06 | kikipoule | pictures say much more than text :) |
| 11:51.07 | L3gacy | Apparently, Broadcom NICs are detected, but WONT DHCP unless I add firmware |
| 11:51.33 | Aebian | hmm my headset just don't getting displayed... http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=bfac1174983257819a2b6c9376ebeef4aa6342a8 |
| 11:51.44 | Aebian | thats my sound-config |
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| 11:56.27 | kikipoule | up? :/ |
| 11:58.00 | L3gacy | Always up. Polyphasic sleep disorder |
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| 11:58.27 | Waxhead | On Stretch I noticed that I can no longer log in as root, su <username> and then startx from the same tty. X complains about can not open virtual console 1 (permission denied). Not a problem I guess, but is this correct behavior ? |
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| 12:00.24 | at0m | Waxhead: why would you startx as root? |
| 12:00.53 | at0m | dpkg: tell Waxhead about testing |
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| 12:02.06 | Waxhead | at0m: I was under the impression that I wasn't... su <username> as writen above.... |
| 12:02.32 | kikipoule | Ho can I fix my virtualbox problem? :c |
| 12:02.38 | Aebian | if the sdound-mixer cant find my headset but lsusb does, what can I do to get it work? There are no official drivers out for linux sadly =( |
| 12:02.41 | Aebian | Bus 003 Device 004: ID 047f:c010 Plantronics, Inc. |
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| 12:03.00 | at0m | Waxhead: try logging in as user, then startx, no root comes into play... |
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| 12:03.48 | Waxhead | at0m: please read what I wrote above. I did do that. Not a problem for me , but this used to work - I am just pondering if this is expected behavior or if this is a bug. |
| 12:04.31 | at0m | you're running testing, if it's a bug or not, that's for irc.oftc.net #debian-next |
| 12:04.58 | Waxhead | at0m: debian-next is invitation only and I am not invited :( |
| 12:05.31 | at0m | OFTC/#debian-next is +clnt |
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| 12:06.22 | at0m | it might be closed on freenode, it's available on OFTC |
| 12:06.33 | Waxhead | at0m: alright, thanks! |
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| 12:06.49 | at0m | Waxhead: yea it's invite-only here on freenode |
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| 12:10.27 | Aebian | damn sound problem |
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| 12:11.09 | at0m | Aebian: what does "aplay -l" return? does that show your headset? |
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| 12:13.26 | at0m | dpkg: tell Aebian about alsa-checklist |
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| 12:18.29 | Aebian | at0m: I know the check list ^^ aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found... |
| 12:18.57 | at0m | does "lsmod | grep snd" show usb snd module? |
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| 12:19.04 | at0m | i guess not |
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| 12:19.40 | Aebian | and I'm also member of the adio group. It doesn't |
| 12:19.41 | Aebian | http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c3dadf2d4d329daa153bb98f13ccc2ccaab47b8d |
| 12:19.51 | Aebian | thats the audio-config I'm running atm |
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| 12:24.10 | Aebian | at0m: and in the mixer I just get a Dummy Output |
| 12:24.56 | at0m | Aebian: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2123932 suggests to update headset firmware. you'll need a windows pc and then http://www.plantronics.com/myheadset-updater |
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| 12:26.46 | Aebian | at0m: alright then I boot intop my 2nd SSD with wincrap on it :D thank you sir! |
| 12:26.58 | at0m | good luck :) |
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| 12:29.15 | Aebian | alright I'm on my windows lets see |
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| 12:34.55 | deniz946 | Hello, i just installed debian and when i try use sudo, i get this error "deniz946 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 12:35.00 | deniz946 | Any help please |
| 12:35.13 | at0m | deniz946: log in as root using su |
| 12:35.16 | at0m | then visudo |
| 12:35.51 | deniz946 | at0m: yes, a edit file opened |
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| 12:36.25 | at0m | visudo may use specific user, or sudoers group. that group is defined in /etc/group |
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| 12:37.27 | deniz946 | # Allow members of group sudo to execute any command %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 12:38.09 | at0m | right, if you want to use that, add your username in /etc/group to the sudo line |
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| 12:38.33 | Aebian | at0m: okay driver got successfully installed on windows. well nothing changed here in debian. hmm |
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| 12:38.56 | at0m | Aebian: not just the driver, but did you upgrade the firmware of the headset, too? |
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| 12:39.19 | Tsutsukakushi | at0m: or just use `usermod -aG sudo username` |
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| 12:39.52 | Aebian | at0m: its a USB headset not wireless ^^ its a Gamecom 780 which works fine on windows and well also the Gamecom 780 Software got installed |
| 12:40.09 | Aebian | but on debian its not getting displayed at all |
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| 12:40.49 | at0m | Aebian: read that http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2123932&p=12849398#post12849398 again |
| 12:41.18 | deniz946 | at0m: like deniz946:x:0:? |
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| 12:42.06 | Tsutsukakushi | deniz946: do `usermod -aG sudo username` as root instead |
| 12:42.08 | at0m | usermod -aG sudo deniz946 |
| 12:42.17 | Aebian | at0m: thats not gonna work on mine. I downloaded the file that came with the url you send me but its not detecting my headset ^^ |
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| 12:42.46 | Aebian | at0m: but I gonna reboot and try again |
| 12:43.26 | deniz946 | im still getting the deniz946 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. error |
| 12:43.35 | wallbroken | which one is lightweight between MATE, lxde, xfce ? |
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| 12:46.14 | mzie | i have the dmg file of mac os x el capitane, how can i create a bootable iso from it to install it on my pc (i have windows and debian right now) |
| 12:47.43 | abrotman | wallbroken: lxde, we told you before |
| 12:47.43 | deniz946 | fixed it adding it manualy into visudo |
| 12:48.03 | deniz946 | Now i have another problem, my wifi doesn't work, im with ethernet cable, can someone help me fix that? |
| 12:48.15 | deniz946 | Im doing upgrade, too se if that fixes something |
| 12:48.31 | at0m | mzie: and that has to do with debian how? /join macosx |
| 12:49.36 | mzie | at0m: the problem is that i don't have access to a mac; all the tutorials that i found create a bootable from within the mac; i need to do it from debian |
| 12:49.48 | Aebian | at0m noppe, not working. The link is not working for my headset |
| 12:50.11 | Aebian | at0m: as I said I don't have such a wireless headset I'm using a Gamecom 780 |
| 12:50.23 | at0m | Aebian: oh i had websearched your lsusb id |
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| 12:50.47 | at0m | that's more important than brands and rebrands |
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| 12:52.01 | Aebian | at0m: well the software works here on windows and the "dolby sorround" is enabled not sure why debian is not finding my headset |
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| 12:57.01 | deniz946_ | any help with making wifi work? |
| 12:57.27 | at0m | dpkg: tell deniz946_ about doesn't work |
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| 12:58.00 | deniz946_ | at0m: what? |
| 12:58.23 | at0m | deniz946_: check what dpkg /msg'd you |
| 12:58.54 | deniz946_ | at0m: can't see, what he wrote, browser crashed, can you re-send please? |
| 12:59.00 | at0m | dpkg: tell deniz946_ about doesn't work |
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| 12:59.25 | deniz946_ | at0m: yeah but i don't understand what that means. |
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| 13:01.14 | at0m | deniz946_: be more specific about your wifi problem. |
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| 13:01.44 | NikLP | Hi. I just went to check on one of my websites and log in via SSH but both services were dead, I had to force reboot the machine. How can I work out what happened? It's never happened before as far as I know. |
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| 13:02.11 | deniz946_ | I have just installed debian from zero and after first launch, it doesn't seems to detect wifi adapter and it says that is unpluged from internet |
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| 13:05.51 | deniz946_ | at0m: do you know why it may be? |
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| 13:07.04 | at0m | see dpkg msg |
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| 13:09.08 | deniz946_ | I have intel "deniz946@DebianOS:~$ dmesg | grep Wireless [ 8.570049] Intel(R) Wireless WiFi driver for Linux, in-tree:" |
| 13:10.28 | towo` | apt install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 13:13.47 | akitada | the latest util-linux for sid is 2.27.1-1 but when i do "apt-get install util-linux" it says "util-linux is already the newest version (2.25.2-4.1)" why? |
| 13:14.04 | p0g0 | update? |
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| 13:14.31 | deniz946 | just did, and nothing, still without wifi |
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| 13:14.50 | akitada | i did apt-get update but it didn't help |
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| 13:16.50 | deniz946 | "iwlist wlan0 scan wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning." |
| 13:17.30 | at0m | dpkg: tell akitada about experimental |
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| 13:18.54 | towo` | deniz946, dmesg | grep -i firmw |
| 13:19.51 | deniz946 | towo`: http://pastebin.com/bwTRBmea |
| 13:20.15 | akitada | at0m: i think it's on unstable |
| 13:21.40 | at0m | akitada: either way, that's supported in irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-next, not here |
| 13:22.21 | towo` | deniz946, after installing firmware-iwlwifi, you have done rmmod iwlwifi && modprobe iwlwifi? |
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| 13:22.44 | deniz946 | towo`: nop, didn't done nothing |
| 13:22.54 | towo` | then do it |
| 13:22.57 | NikLP | anybody have any clue about my issue above? I'm slightly concerned it might have been an undiscovered hack on the server :/ |
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| 13:23.26 | akitada | at0m: ok thanks for the info |
| 13:23.39 | deniz946 | towo`: just "rmmod iwlwifi && modprobe iwlwifi"? |
| 13:24.05 | towo` | deniz946, that's what i have written, or? |
| 13:24.28 | deniz946 | Okay, done now? towo` |
| 13:24.47 | Dasiel | Hello mates |
| 13:25.00 | towo` | deniz946, dmesg | grep -i firmw |
| 13:25.35 | deniz946 | towo`: http://pastebin.com/wspYsY7L |
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| 13:25.53 | towo` | deniz946, now it schould work |
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| 13:27.24 | deniz946_ | towo`: Yep, it works, can you resume me from begin what i have to do, for next time i need to do it again? |
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| 13:34.15 | nebg_ | hello everyone... if i need a specific version of a package how can i do in debian ? |
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| 13:34.25 | nebg_ | for example the repo only list the last version... of program X |
| 13:34.31 | nebg_ | let's say this is version 7.3 |
| 13:34.43 | nebg_ | what if i need the program X version 6.0 |
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| 13:34.45 | nebg_ | ?? |
| 13:37.52 | derstrom | nebg_: apt-get install <package>=<v> |
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| 13:38.16 | nebg_ | derstrom... how can i see available versions ? |
| 13:38.38 | nebg_ | for example i see there is package X, and i want to see which version are available |
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| 13:41.07 | derstrom | nebg_ : apt-cache madison <package_name> might help, or to get the latest package version apt-cache policy <package_name> |
| 13:41.15 | abrotman | nebg_: that only works if tha tversion is in the repos |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | nebg_: apt-cache policy foopkg ; will show theversions available |
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| 13:43.35 | derstrom | nebg_: to be clear, when you execute apt-cache policy, "Candidate" is the version available from the repository to install |
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| 13:44.15 | nebg_ | derstrom... ehat is apt-cache madison ? i cant' udnerstand |
| 13:44.28 | nebg_ | if i do for example apt-cache madison vim |
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| 13:44.31 | nebg_ | i see only one version |
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| 13:44.35 | bazhang | ,v madison |
| 13:44.36 | judd | No package named 'madison' was found in amd64. |
| 13:44.38 | nebg_ | the same for apt-cache policy vim |
| 13:44.55 | nebg_ | ok i meant apt-cache madison <package_name> |
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| 13:45.57 | derstrom | you may only be able to install that latest version then |
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| 13:46.04 | derstrom | judd: it's a command option in apt-cache |
| 13:46.34 | at0m | derstrom: judd, like dpkg, is a bot |
| 13:46.57 | at0m | https://ircbots.debian.net/ |
| 13:47.08 | derstrom | moving on very quickly.... |
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| 13:47.25 | abrotman | nebg_: that means only one versionis available with your current configuration .. what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 13:47.41 | Swing | hi, anyone could suggest me a pdf guide to program in c++? |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | Swing: you'd probably want to ask the C++ channnel |
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| 13:48.08 | abrotman | Swing: that'd be ##c++ |
| 13:48.24 | Swing | ok thanks a lot... |
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| 13:49.17 | nebg_ | abrotman, just learning |
| 13:49.47 | nebg_ | for example how can i install different versions of java ? |
| 13:49.55 | abrotman | nebg_: that's an odd thing to want tolearn. Generally, one uses the version that is available with their version of Debian. Instlaling random things can break things |
| 13:50.07 | abrotman | nebg_: apt-cache search java .. see which versions are available, install one of them |
| 13:50.28 | nebg_ | abrotman, ok... let's say i need for development reasons... a specific version of java |
| 13:50.39 | nebg_ | but with my repos i only see java 1.7 |
| 13:50.44 | nebg_ | but i need java 1.5 |
| 13:50.48 | nebg_ | how can i do ? |
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| 13:51.08 | abrotman | But you probably won't want 1.5,because it's got a pile of security issues |
| 13:51.17 | abrotman | nebg_: you could install it from source if you really want it, though I owuldn't recommend it |
| 13:51.48 | nebg_ | ok abrotman i took that as example |
| 13:51.57 | nebg_ | anyway so the solution is installing it by source right ? |
| 13:52.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nebg_ about checkinstall |
| 13:52.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nebg_ about stow |
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| 13:54.24 | nebg_ | abrotman, thanks ! |
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| 14:06.39 | kikipoulet | Hi everybody. I have a problem with virtual box : http://hpics.li/584325d http://hpics.li/01c4ce0 |
| 14:06.52 | Swing | hi, anyone could suggest me a pdf guide to program in c++? |
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| 14:07.19 | at0m | Swing: like you were told, ##c++ |
| 14:07.23 | bazhang | the c++ channel Swing |
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| 14:07.41 | bazhang | is that a bot? |
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| 14:08.11 | bazhang | ##c++ <<<<<------- Swing |
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| 14:09.06 | deniz946 | how i can make telegram works ? i've downloaded it from the site double click on the app but it doesn't open |
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| 14:09.38 | kikipoulet | up? |
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| 14:12.09 | kikipoulet | Hi everybody. I have a problem with virtual box : http://hpics.li/584325d http://hpics.li/01c4ce0 |
| 14:12.19 | at0m | deniz946: "downloaded from the site"? |
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| 14:12.37 | deniz946 | at0m, from the telegram original site |
| 14:12.39 | at0m | deniz946: is that even a debian packages? |
| 14:12.43 | at0m | *package |
| 14:13.20 | bazhang | ,v telegram |
| 14:13.21 | judd | No package named 'telegram' was found in amd64. |
| 14:13.24 | at0m | #debian supports debian packages. maybe try ##linux |
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| 14:13.40 | Aebian | deniz946: unpack the gz and tar und you have telegram |
| 14:14.00 | deniz946 | Aebian, I did, but when i try to start it, nothing happens |
| 14:14.03 | Aebian | there is no package for telegram available ^^ |
| 14:14.14 | Aebian | deniz946: ./Telegram ? |
| 14:14.42 | deniz946 | Aebian, deniz946@DebianOS:~/Telegram$ ./Telegram |
| 14:14.42 | deniz946 | bash: ./Telegram: cannot execute binary file: Formato de ejecutable incorrecto |
| 14:14.42 | deniz946 | deniz946@DebianOS:~/Telegram$ |
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| 14:15.40 | Aebian | well then make it executable |
| 14:15.54 | deniz946 | how? |
| 14:16.02 | Aebian | deniz946: sudo chmod 755 ~/Telegram |
| 14:16.12 | bazhang | no! |
| 14:16.13 | at0m | no sudo needed |
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| 14:16.55 | deniz946 | still same |
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| 14:17.52 | l3archos | hi all. I have installed Debian Testing (=Stretch) but my brand new AMD Radeon R9 390 is not recognized. I think the newer Kernel 4.2 will be necessary at all, right? I am not sure if Debian Testing is the right distribution for my desktop computer in conjunction with this graphic card. Do I need "Debian Unstable (=Sid)" or any other distribution ? (e.g. Fedora, LinuxMint, or similar) ?? |
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| 14:21.04 | SynrG | l3archos: generally, stick with stable + backports for newer hardware support. |
| 14:21.27 | SynrG | you don't want to use testing or unstable unless you understand the risks and are committed to being a help to the developers in getting the next release out |
| 14:21.53 | jelly | l3archos: you should have kernel 4.2 with stretch already, and get hw that's been on the market at least 6-12 months if you want free driver support |
| 14:22.26 | l3archos | SynrG: normally (on servers) I run "stable" but I thought at home on my brand-new desktop I will have a try with "testing" as I can use "newer" software packages. What is so wrong about? can you explain, please? |
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| 14:23.00 | l3archos | jelly: is there any special tutorial which explains how to get AMD Radeon R9 390 work with Debian Testing and Kernel 4.2 ? |
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| 14:23.24 | SynrG | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index5h2 |
| 14:23.29 | jelly | that would be a suspiciously specific tutorial |
| 14:23.31 | SynrG | that card isn't even listed here |
| 14:23.39 | SynrG | so we can't help with that |
| 14:23.48 | SynrG | basically, your card is unsupported. full stop. |
| 14:23.56 | derstrom | l3archos: With my PC with integrated Radeon graphics, I needed to install firmware-linux-nonfree from the non-free repository to get the open source radeon driver working properly. |
| 14:24.09 | SynrG | derstrom: not going to help. see the link i provided. |
| 14:24.10 | derstrom | But it might be unsupported as SynrG mentions. |
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| 14:24.13 | SynrG | yep |
| 14:24.31 | derstrom | Is the R9 3xx fairly new? |
| 14:24.47 | l3archos | sighs and wonders if any other distribution would help (maybe Fedora ?) |
| 14:24.52 | SynrG | return the card and buy a supported one |
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| 14:25.05 | l3archos | SynrG: haha, sure |
| 14:25.07 | derstrom | heh, that's what I would do ;-) |
| 14:25.12 | l3archos | definitely NOT, the card rockZ ! |
| 14:25.20 | SynrG | run windows |
| 14:25.29 | l3archos | for gaming I do, of course |
| 14:25.46 | SynrG | ok. do you have a second card in this system? is it dual-boot? |
| 14:25.57 | SynrG | if so, configure your debian install to use the other card. |
| 14:26.07 | SynrG | once debian has support for it, you can fix it later. |
| 14:26.09 | l3archos | it's dual-boot yes, Win10 is only used for gaming and GNU/linux for daily work |
| 14:26.15 | l3archos | no secondary graphic card |
| 14:26.18 | SynrG | get one |
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| 14:26.28 | jelly | l3archos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_Rx_300_series says June 2015 so yes, it's new |
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| 14:27.34 | l3archos | certainly not, I don't invest in new hardware just because a OS cannot handle it (at the same time I know other OSes can). Not to be misunderstood: I am a Debian fanboy since years, but I certainly won't be extra hardware just to use my triple-display setup. And I *need* the three displays for daily office work and the nice thing is that this R9 390 graphic card is doing amazing work on that |
| 14:27.39 | SynrG | l3archos: even *if* you could get it to work (and i highly doubt if you can) your time is worth more than the money spent on an expensive well-supported card. |
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| 14:27.52 | SynrG | inexpensive* sorry |
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| 14:28.13 | Colti | L3archos did you try backport kernel 4.2 with new fglrx 15.9 also from backport repo? |
| 14:28.17 | l3archos | SynrG: that's why I think about not to use Debian on my desktop private computer and maybe this is the time to try another distribution. I am not sure if I try Fedora maybe, or something else (except Ubuntu) |
| 14:28.28 | l3archos | Colti: not yet, I wanted to ask generally here before trying to mess around ;) |
| 14:28.34 | l3archos | but thanks for the hints |
| 14:28.36 | SynrG | l3archos: it's not a distribution problem. it's a driver support problem upstream. |
| 14:28.42 | at0m | l3archos: if it's not in upstream kernel, no other distro will help |
| 14:28.52 | l3archos | SynrG: but I did read on forums that users can get 100% work with this graphic card |
| 14:29.12 | SynrG | l3archos: if they use the proprietary driver, perhaps. but we can't help with that. |
| 14:29.18 | SynrG | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 14:29.19 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 1:15.9-2; sid/non-free: 1:15.9-2 |
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| 14:29.33 | jelly | l3archos: if the choice of distro isn't relevant, then sure, picking a distro with newer drivers, or getting the relevant version of fglrx installed may help |
| 14:29.35 | SynrG | l3archos: compare what is there ^^ vs. what upstream says about which version is needed to support your card. |
| 14:29.41 | Colti | with sea islands cards the 15.9 is running fine |
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| 14:30.31 | jelly | dpkgm tell l3archos about fglrx dkms |
| 14:30.32 | SynrG | Colti: see islands is what this is? |
| 14:30.37 | jelly | dpkg, tell l3archos about fglrx dkms |
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| 14:30.56 | SynrG | l3archos: if you have Sea Islands, then jessie-backports has 15.9 |
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| 14:31.03 | SynrG | l3archos: that would allegedly work |
| 14:31.14 | SynrG | l3archos: it's as i said to start with, install stable, and use backports. |
| 14:31.30 | Colti | not sure if the R9 390 is sea islands or just the newest generation of cards |
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| 14:33.15 | Colti | it is sea islands |
| 14:33.17 | Colti | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Amdgpu |
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| 14:34.56 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
| 14:34.57 | judd | No package named 'xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:35.08 | jelly | so, free driver not packaged yet |
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| 14:35.28 | Colti | yes only way is fglrx 15.9 for sea islands |
| 14:35.36 | jelly | ,wnpp xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
| 14:35.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/795686 in wnpp (open): «ITP: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu -- X.Org X server -- AMDGPU video driver»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-08-16; last modified: 2015-08-16. |
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| 14:37.28 | bazhang | fglrx is just terrible, no matter the os |
| 14:37.42 | bazhang | another distro, or even windows wont change that |
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| 14:38.20 | bazhang | and the latest si called upgrade is one in name alone |
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| 14:39.05 | SynrG | well, given l3archos is not remotely interested in a hardware change, i'm not sure that info is helpful |
| 14:39.50 | SynrG | theoretically l3archos could run stable + jessie-backports and fglrx, and it would work. how much pain is involved ... who knows. :/ but that's their problem, not ours |
| 14:40.11 | bazhang | work like dpgk levels of work |
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| 14:43.35 | jelly | I don't think any video driver for linux works that way. |
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| 14:54.39 | Hypfer | so.. i have wheezy with a self compiled kernel 4.2.6 and self compiled xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 14:54.44 | Hypfer | how do I get GLX working? |
| 14:54.51 | Hypfer | I can't upgrade to jessie |
| 14:55.21 | SynrG | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 14:55.23 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 11.0.5-1; sid: 11.0.6-1 |
| 14:55.32 | Hypfer | SynrG: only that lib? |
| 14:55.45 | SynrG | and: |
| 14:55.47 | SynrG | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 14:55.48 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 11.0.5-1; sid: 11.0.6-1 |
| 14:55.51 | Hypfer | I tried building that by hand for wheezy, but it was a dependency hell |
| 14:55.52 | Hypfer | ._. |
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| 14:55.56 | SynrG | fun |
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| 14:56.01 | Hypfer | fun fun fun |
| 14:56.03 | SynrG | what keeps you on wheezy? |
| 14:56.15 | Hypfer | upgrading would mean configuring everything again |
| 14:56.23 | babilen | How so? |
| 14:56.31 | Hypfer | since i'm using wheezy-backports atm everything WILL go to hell |
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| 14:56.42 | Hypfer | i'm 100% sure that a system upgrade will fuck everything up :-/ |
| 14:56.46 | SynrG | you'll need to upgrade eventually anyway. it seems like you're just deferring your pain |
| 14:56.49 | babilen | That depends on how much "fun" you had in the interim |
| 14:57.08 | Hypfer | SynrG: it's lts.. so.. |
| 14:57.08 | SynrG | i think you're making far too much work for yourself with your workaround than the actual upgrade will cause |
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| 14:57.23 | Hypfer | whats the recommended way to update to jessie? |
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| 14:57.30 | somiaj | note packages are designed to upgrade from wheezy-backports (note this isn't as testing as the upgrade from wheezy, but it works for the most part) |
| 14:57.33 | Hypfer | just change wheezy to jessie, apt and pray? |
| 14:57.36 | babilen | And I doubt that you'll have many problems. My feeling is also that it'll be a lot easier to simply upgrade than to maintain your self-compiled software forever after |
| 14:57.37 | SynrG | if you're not convinced of this, make a complete backup, try the upgrade, and fall back to the backup if you fail |
| 14:57.38 | somiaj | !tell Hypfer wheezy->jessie |
| 14:58.03 | Hypfer | somiaj: no message here |
| 14:58.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hypfer -about wheezy->jessie |
| 14:58.27 | dutchfish | Hypfer, in any case make a backup first |
| 14:58.33 | babilen | Hypfer: Essentially: Read the release notes and follow chapter 4 (iirc) |
| 14:58.34 | SynrG | somiaj: bug in dpkg bot. it hates -> |
| 14:58.40 | somiaj | hmm dpkg says you are an invalid target Hypfer |
| 14:58.41 | SynrG | somiaj: but only for the '!' trigger |
| 14:58.51 | somiaj | ahh |
| 14:58.55 | babilen | And you need the "[-]about" |
| 14:58.59 | Hypfer | I smell systemd fuckup |
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| 14:59.06 | Hypfer | release notes unreachable. error 503 |
| 14:59.06 | somiaj | it was the about I messed up on... |
| 14:59.30 | somiaj | Hypfer: search 'jessie release notes' you'll get it. I'm unsure what is wrong with that tiny url link. Seems like the database is having issue on that site |
| 14:59.43 | SynrG | !release notes |
| 14:59.44 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 14:59.46 | babilen | Hypfer: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html works fine. Which URL gives you a 503 ? |
| 14:59.48 | SynrG | ^^ this works |
| 15:00.31 | Hypfer | the short ones from the bot |
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| 15:00.47 | SynrG | Hypfer: what has given you such lack of trust in your system? that seems like an issue you should resolve. |
| 15:01.05 | somiaj | yea we noticed the bot's short link wasn't working. Unsure if deb.li site is having a database issue or not |
| 15:01.27 | SynrG | Hypfer: are you doing unsupported/dangerous things with it? |
| 15:01.30 | babilen | Looks as if varnish went on holidays |
| 15:01.33 | Hypfer | SynrG: ubuntu updates from 8.04 to 12.04 failed |
| 15:01.36 | Hypfer | EVERY FUCKING TIME |
| 15:01.43 | Hypfer | so I'm very scared of upgrades |
| 15:01.49 | SynrG | Hypfer: so your experience with ubunto makes you not trust debian? |
| 15:01.53 | SynrG | ubuntu* |
| 15:01.55 | Hypfer | yes :-) |
| 15:02.06 | SynrG | the only way to rebuild trust is to do some debian upgrades, then |
| 15:02.14 | SynrG | you can't defer that forever |
| 15:02.21 | Hypfer | also, the debian steam installation could be a bit of a hassle |
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| 15:02.30 | Hypfer | and the self build intel driver |
| 15:02.36 | babilen | Well, welcome to Debian. But then: I'd like to stress one more time that *if you have a large number of self-compiled packages or software installed from third-party repositories* the upgrade might not be quite as smooth. |
| 15:02.39 | SynrG | did you get that from a third-party source? steam, that is |
| 15:02.44 | Hypfer | yes |
| 15:02.51 | babilen | Well ... |
| 15:02.58 | SynrG | it will go better for you if you remove third-party stuff before the upgrade |
| 15:03.00 | Hypfer | and deb-multimedia packages |
| 15:03.04 | babilen | ugh |
| 15:03.04 | SynrG | as indicated in the release notes |
| 15:03.09 | SynrG | yeah, get rid of that, too |
| 15:03.15 | babilen | (forever) |
| 15:03.18 | Hypfer | that would uninstall half of my system :-) |
| 15:03.18 | SynrG | yup |
| 15:03.23 | somiaj | and hope you don't have any conflicts hiding in the packages you have installed. (: |
| 15:03.38 | somiaj | Hypfer: removing sources will not unintsall anything. |
| 15:03.41 | Hypfer | I guess I'll defer the upgrade further |
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| 15:03.53 | babilen | It won't be easier in a year |
| 15:04.04 | SynrG | Hypfer: why? jessie has multimedia support that you need without dmm. jessie has steam ... |
| 15:04.06 | Colti | Is somebody here experienced in problem with standby and hibernate in debian? |
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| 15:04.16 | SynrG | Hypfer: jessie doesn't need a custom compiled intel driver ... |
| 15:04.17 | abrotman | !polls |
| 15:04.17 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 15:04.19 | somiaj | (it just gives apt less stuff to think about when upgrading). Now the unoffical software you have installed can cause problems, because packages are not designed to upgrade random stuff outside of debian. |
| 15:04.25 | Hypfer | SynrG: I don't have time to fix a broken update atm |
| 15:04.25 | derstrom | Colti: Depends on the hardware |
| 15:04.31 | babilen | It's just that there are some easy ways in which to ensure that you have a smooth experience on Debian. Not installing random packages from third-party repositories is one big part of that. |
| 15:04.40 | Colti | amd apu hardware |
| 15:04.40 | Hypfer | I need this system running smoothly |
| 15:04.44 | SynrG | Hypfer: but you have time to come here and ask us to help you do unsupported stuff? |
| 15:04.49 | Hypfer | SynrG: yes |
| 15:04.59 | SynrG | well. sorry. i don't have the time for that. |
| 15:05.06 | Hypfer | because that unsupported stuff is small compared to reinstalling and configuring debian |
| 15:05.09 | SynrG | do a fresh install to run in parallel with your old working install |
| 15:05.21 | SynrG | then migrate when you have time the stuff from the old system you want to keep |
| 15:05.25 | Hypfer | meh |
| 15:05.28 | Hypfer | well |
| 15:05.31 | Hypfer | thanks anyways |
| 15:05.33 | SynrG | thereafter, don't get your system in that state |
| 15:05.45 | SynrG | by practicing sane system management practices. |
| 15:05.57 | SynrG | (i.e. not wantonly installing stuff from third-party sources) |
| 15:06.21 | Colti | derstrom the pc is going to sleep or hibernate but it won come back after wake up |
| 15:06.42 | babilen | Hypfer: It really isn't that hard. Remove all third-party repositories. Go through the list of packages in "/msg dpkg not available" and sort them out (install them from wheezy or wheezy-backports). Follow the normal upgrade procedure and install, where necessary, stuff from jessie-backports. |
| 15:06.53 | SynrG | yep |
| 15:06.54 | Colti | it wakes up but with blank screen |
| 15:06.59 | SynrG | what babilen said. it should go just fine |
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| 15:07.30 | babilen | Hypfer: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian has a number of tips that you might want to know about too |
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| 15:09.00 | hiya | is Debian bare bones GNU/linux OS that is not secure as Ubuntu or Fedora owing to their AppArmor and SElinux and other policies baked in by default? |
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| 15:09.43 | bazhang | no |
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| 15:10.23 | SynrG | is this an attempt to start a debate, or a support request? |
| 15:10.43 | SynrG | smells suspiciously like trolling to me |
| 15:10.43 | bazhang | apparmor and selinux are not baked in to ubuntu, for one |
| 15:10.52 | bazhang | they are optional additions |
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| 15:12.53 | hiya | bazhang, ok I was being told by someone in security channel here that Debian is just good if you love outdated package it has nothing to do with security at all and other options are better |
| 15:13.07 | bazhang | thats wrong |
| 15:13.08 | abrotman | someone is clueless |
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| 15:14.15 | Hypfer | one point for trolling |
| 15:14.17 | hiya | ok |
| 15:14.41 | hiya | thanks bazhang What should I do to secure my installation more? |
| 15:14.59 | babilen | Turn off your computer, cut all cables and go for a walk in the park |
| 15:15.02 | bazhang | more than what |
| 15:15.07 | Hypfer | so before I upgrade to jessie for no reason.. is the intel hd 6200 even supported? |
| 15:15.22 | derstrom | Colti: I would suggest you pastebin the output of "lspci -v". Maybe someone can help. |
| 15:15.45 | somiaj | hiya: you can find various articles on 'hardinging debian', but for the most part its defaults are fairly good. But they are also not set up to be extra paranoid. |
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| 15:16.03 | hiya | bazhang, the default security Debian has to offer |
| 15:16.06 | somiaj | Hypfer: what version of the intel graphics driver supports that card (do you happen to know)? |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | somiaj: hardening ? |
| 15:16.14 | hiya | somiaj, ok |
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| 15:16.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hiya about hardening |
| 15:16.24 | hiya | ok |
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| 15:16.58 | Hypfer | somiaj: I answered my question myself. I've tried the one bundled with jessie and there were some artifacts. currently I have the one from experimental installed |
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| 15:17.17 | derstrom | Colti: To me it sounds like incompatible hardware but it's a wild guess. |
| 15:17.21 | Hypfer | so to get everything working I'd need at least jessie with backports or stretch or sid |
| 15:17.21 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 15:17.22 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917-2; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2; experimental: 2:2.99.917+git20151019-1~exp1 |
| 15:17.58 | somiaj | Hypfer: jessie-backports already contains a driver similar version to experiemental (though unsure the changes in the +git archive added) |
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| 15:18.18 | hiya | ok |
| 15:18.44 | Hypfer | but I'd need to hack anyways apparently |
| 15:18.53 | hiya | bazhang, I got ufw on blocking incoming, I got FDE on, I just use Main Repo only, I do not install anyting from outside repo |
| 15:18.55 | Hypfer | so I could just stick to wheezy and hack everything together there |
| 15:18.57 | hiya | What else should I do? |
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| 15:19.09 | Hypfer | aaand keep away from systemd :-) |
| 15:19.33 | hiya | But i am using Jessie |
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| 15:19.53 | abrotman | hiya: what does that hvae to do with it? |
| 15:20.09 | abrotman | is there actually a question? |
| 15:20.14 | abrotman | hiya: did you read what the bot told you? |
| 15:20.18 | babilen | Hypfer: I wouldn't necessarily equate installing packages from jessie-backports with "hacking", but sure .. Have fun! Also, systemd is a complete non-issue in this regard. |
| 15:20.37 | Colti | derstrom i also thought that, i thought i was the gpu but now my dmesg shows no errors anymore after fglrx install |
| 15:20.54 | Colti | but suspend still not working |
| 15:21.10 | babilen | So, all the best and may you enjoy your FrankenWheezy. I would recommend against that path, but if you deem it to be the best then I won't talk you out of it. |
| 15:21.11 | somiaj | Colti: what isn't working? |
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| 15:21.16 | Hypfer | babilen: what happens to my init scripts when I upgrade? will they just stop working? |
| 15:21.29 | SynrG | no |
| 15:21.33 | Colti | somiaj my suspend/standby mode is not working |
| 15:21.34 | derstrom | Colti: Did suspend not work on radeon either? |
| 15:21.36 | babilen | That would be ludicrous |
| 15:21.46 | hiya | abrotman, ok |
| 15:21.47 | Colti | yes on radeon it was also not working |
| 15:21.50 | Hypfer | yes it would. but it's systemd so thats what i'd expect from it. |
| 15:22.00 | somiaj | Hypfer: systemd is LSB compliant, so provided your init scripts are LSB compliant systemd should detect them. |
| 15:22.17 | Hypfer | well then |
| 15:22.21 | SynrG | Hypfer: then you haven't been paying attention to anyone but anti-systemd fruitbats |
| 15:22.32 | babilen | Hypfer: You might find that reality and your expectations are not necessarily the same thing |
| 15:22.34 | Colti | it goes to suspend and also wakes up but then the screen stays blank |
| 15:22.40 | SynrG | Hypfer: yes, their message is "systemd is the devil and debian is going to hell for adopting it as default" |
| 15:22.46 | abrotman | hiya: and if you want ot setup AppArmor or SELinux, go for it |
| 15:23.02 | SynrG | Hypfer: if you read actual information we provide (like the release notes) it is easily avoided if you don't want it |
| 15:23.03 | somiaj | Colti: What isn't working about suspend?, okay that is better. Check your logs, see if you can figure out what is happening during the resume to detect what the issue could be. |
| 15:23.28 | babilen | Either way, I have no interest in pursuing this further. Hypfer is free to do what (s)he wants to do and I hope that it works out well. No interest in politically charged, non-technical discussions. |
| 15:23.34 | SynrG | Hypfer: but as you seem to be immune to our suggestions for accomplishing what you want in a supported way, this is it for me |
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| 15:23.45 | somiaj | Hypfer: the migration to systemd caused me no issues on multiple machines. From a user level (I'm only a desktop user) it is mostly transparent and I get a side effect of faster boot times. |
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| 15:24.01 | Colti | just looked into the logs but i haven found anything that is looking strange |
| 15:24.04 | Hypfer | then it's time to fuck up my system I guess |
| 15:24.13 | somiaj | Hypfer: there have been a few hicups learning how to configure systemd .service files and learning systemctl and journalctl, but that is to be expected when learning new software. |
| 15:25.18 | Colti | anything special i could look for? |
| 15:25.18 | somiaj | Hypfer: always keep backups. The stuff that will cause the most problems is all the unoffical stuff you have done to your system. Remove third party sources can help. Removing third party packages can also help, but hard to tell what will be needed once you start 'mixing things' |
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| 15:25.44 | somiaj | Colti: I would usually look for the last thing the resume logs tell you, that is the culprit. |
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| 15:26.04 | Hypfer | ok so at least apt isn't complaining about broken packages |
| 15:26.08 | somiaj | Colti: another test is if you hvea another machine, try to ping or ssh into the system after the resume (maybe the kernel is reumsing just fine, but the graphics card and xorg is the issue) |
| 15:26.11 | Hypfer | so.. wish me luck, I guess. :-) |
| 15:26.11 | SynrG | !tell Hypfer about remove dmm |
| 15:26.23 | SynrG | Hypfer: good luck. |
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| 15:27.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hypfer -about not available |
| 15:27.25 | SynrG | Hypfer: wrt to the remove dmm factoid, that will only work if the dmm repos are still enabled in your sources.list, as that tells apt how to identify those packages. |
| 15:27.30 | babilen | (in case you forgot about that) |
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| 15:27.41 | Colti | i tried that remote login with rdp is not possible then so i think it not only the screen that stays blank |
| 15:27.53 | SynrG | Hypfer: once you've done that, you can remove the dmm repo from sources.list |
| 15:28.49 | Hypfer | that command fails sadly |
| 15:29.02 | Hypfer | dpkg: error: --remove needs a valid package name but 'libaacplus2' is not: ambiguous package name 'libaacplus2' with more than one installed instance |
| 15:29.02 | dpkg | that's too long, Hypfer |
| 15:29.06 | somiaj | Colti: then it might just take looking though the logs to figure out what could be causing the problems. Sometimes it is a network driver, or somethign else. |
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| 15:29.56 | Colti | ok then i will have to check the logs really exactly |
| 15:30.04 | hiya | abrotman, ok |
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| 15:30.11 | Hypfer | ah whatever |
| 15:30.11 | SynrG | Hypfer: is that a dmm package? |
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| 15:30.19 | Hypfer | SynrG: can't uninstall because giant fuckup |
| 15:30.21 | babilen | Hypfer: You probably have to add the architecture if you have multi-arch installed |
| 15:30.25 | Hypfer | don't care. update now |
| 15:30.26 | SynrG | yeah |
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| 15:30.34 | Hypfer | reinstall incoming |
| 15:31.10 | babilen | Hypfer: Did you just decide to not follow the path we've outlined earlier but to upgrade in a way you deem best? |
| 15:31.35 | Hypfer | babilen: yes, and if it fails I will complain to you about debian being bad since I won't listen :-) |
| 15:32.21 | babilen | ... |
| 15:32.30 | SynrG | Hypfer: this is an attempt at humour? |
| 15:32.42 | Hypfer | SynrG: yes |
| 15:32.43 | SynrG | i'm not sure it was entirely successful |
| 15:32.48 | Hypfer | me neither |
| 15:33.09 | SynrG | Hypfer: if you exhibit more willingness to be helped, we'll be less suspicious of your attempts at humour |
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| 15:35.56 | SynrG | Hypfer: if you encounter problems following your own path, and just forge ahead without heeding our advice then yes, it's very likely it will end with you giving up and doing a reinstall. however, if you remove dmm first (and i'm sure we could figure out the libaacplus2 issue if you let us) it will go better for you and need not end in disaster. |
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| 15:36.50 | somiaj | yea having that package broken at the start may be problemmatic. (: |
| 15:37.20 | easytype | hi :-) i have this error on debian 8 64 amd "/bin/sh: can't access tty; jobe control truned off" |
| 15:37.26 | SynrG | Hypfer: for example, one simple variation of that factoid would be to output the result of the aptitude search into a file. if one package gives you trouble, you could omit it from that file, then feed the file to dpkg to remove |
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| 15:38.01 | Hypfer | ok i've changed everything in the sources file back to wheezy and I'll try removing dmm again |
| 15:38.03 | easytype | how can i fix it? |
| 15:38.28 | SynrG | Hypfer: ok. so try the aptitude command alone, outputting to a file |
| 15:38.48 | SynrG | Hypfer: also let's see the output of 'apt-cache policy libaacplus2' in a paste |
| 15:39.12 | babilen | + "dpkg -l libaacplus2" -- /me suspects multiarch |
| 15:39.27 | SynrG | probably |
| 15:39.42 | Hypfer | http://paste.debian.net/339337/ |
| 15:39.43 | SynrG | i don't see how else you could have two packages simultaneously installed providing the same package name |
| 15:39.52 | Hypfer | babilen: yes, multiarch |
| 15:40.23 | easytype | i think its grub :-) |
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| 15:40.39 | babilen | Hypfer: So, could you try what I suggested earlier and add the architecture to the package name during removal? (i.e. ":i386" or ":amd64") |
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| 15:40.47 | SynrG | Hypfer: ok. looks like the factoid is broken for multiarch because those need to be suffixed with :amd64 |
| 15:40.52 | SynrG | yeah |
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| 15:40.56 | SynrG | what babilen said :) |
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| 15:41.10 | SynrG | i wonder if aptitude could be told to include :amd64 |
| 15:41.17 | SynrG | if so, we can fix the factoid |
| 15:41.19 | Hypfer | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/339338/ then it wants to uninstall half of my system |
| 15:41.29 | babilen | Same here, it would be nice to make that part of the recipe |
| 15:41.31 | Colti | somiaj thats all i found absolutely no errors |
| 15:41.34 | Colti | systemd-sleep[2001]: Suspending system... |
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| 15:41.53 | SynrG | Hypfer: yeah, obviously you don't want to go through with that. let's see if we can fix the recipe. |
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| 15:42.02 | lmcloughlin | Just assembled a new C612 chipset, dual E5-2630 v3, 64GB ECC system and tried to install a Debian base system using the latest netboot ISO, installer ran fine, but it hangs pretty early in boot. Selecting recovery boot also hangs. Some gotcha/BIOS setting I'm missing here perhaps? |
| 15:42.38 | babilen | Hypfer: But then, that's nothing too drastic and it'll be easy to reinstall those packages later |
| 15:43.00 | lmcloughlin | Last message in boot on recovery mode is "shchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4", and then it just hangs. |
| 15:43.08 | Brigo | lmcloughlin, the latest netboot ISO? you meant testing? |
| 15:43.11 | babilen | Hypfer: You might want to cycle through some of aptitude's suggestions there |
| 15:43.22 | lmcloughlin | Brigo: debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 15:43.47 | babilen | Hypfer: And please always include your exact command as it makes it a lot easier to interpret the output |
| 15:43.49 | Brigo | lmcloughlin, ok, then. Is there any message from the system? any clue? |
| 15:44.02 | Hypfer | all aptitude suggestions are shit |
| 15:44.03 | Hypfer | ._. |
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| 15:44.43 | lmcloughlin | Brigo: what looks like an error from ipmi_si module, doesn't look fatal though: ipmi_si: Unable to find any System Interface(s) |
| 15:46.08 | Brigo | lmcloughlin, did you check the hardware? the ram, the cpus, etc? |
| 15:46.48 | lmcloughlin | Brigo: yes, I ran Windows 10 on this hardware for the past day or so burn-in testing it using Linpack |
| 15:47.07 | lmcloughlin | Also 3 passes memtest no issues |
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| 15:47.56 | Brigo | lmcloughlin, i can't see why the system is hanging, i think maybe a photo of the screen could help. |
| 15:48.19 | lmcloughlin | sure, I can grab a snap, one moment |
| 15:50.45 | somiaj | lmcloughlin: two things spring to mind, 1) how are you creating the boot mediuem from the .iso, 2) Are you using legacy or efi boot, and if using efi boot is secure boot disabled? |
| 15:51.18 | somiaj | lmcloughlin: this is just double checking there wasn't some issue with your actual boot medium |
| 15:51.21 | lmcloughlin | somiaj: dd'd the ISO to a USB stick, legacy boot, I believe, any way I can confirm? |
| 15:51.34 | lmcloughlin | the install completed without issue, it just failed to boot when booting from the installed system |
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| 15:52.15 | somiaj | lmcloughlin: Usually it is clear from your bios/uefi settings which one you are using. |
| 15:52.24 | lmcloughlin | It certainly looks pretty legacy to me |
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| 15:52.41 | somiaj | lmcloughlin: just checking some basic things first, but everything sounds fine. |
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| 15:53.00 | lmcloughlin | It's started systemd in any case and mounted the root |
| 15:54.00 | lmcloughlin | photo of where it's hung: http://imgur.com/CXYGd0N |
| 15:54.35 | Hypfer | SynrG: are you looking into that? |
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| 15:55.37 | Hypfer | I'll just remove the tail |
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| 15:55.44 | Hypfer | and reinstall it later |
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| 15:56.02 | easytype | hi how do i reinstall grub from installtion disc? i have an error loading the files on device. |
| 15:56.36 | easytype | so i would like to reinstall grub from disc |
| 15:56.37 | Hypfer | or.. I don't |
| 15:56.46 | Hypfer | because it wants to uninstall pulseaudio |
| 15:57.10 | babilen | Hypfer: Easy to reinstall later |
| 15:57.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell easytype -about fixmbr |
| 15:57.30 | easytype | there is "install the geub boot loader on a harddisk" option but what? |
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| 15:57.56 | Hypfer | if you say so.. |
| 15:58.15 | easytype | please |
| 15:58.18 | lmcloughlin | huh, I figured it out, KMS problem. nomodeset and it boots. |
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| 15:58.56 | SynrG | Hypfer: i did. i can think of some sed tricks ... but can't see using aptitude format strings how to make it work |
| 15:59.20 | SynrG | Hypfer: since there's a small handful of them, you could find all the lines with :i386 and take the corresponding lines without it and suffix :amd64 |
| 15:59.27 | SynrG | Hypfer: manually, i mean |
| 15:59.40 | SynrG | that would get you unblocked, and we could fix the recipe later. |
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| 15:59.45 | easytype | is there any one holding the answer and don't want to ahare it because its to easy? or qhat is the deal? |
| 15:59.51 | babilen | easytype: Our bot sent you a private message some time ago. |
| 15:59.54 | SynrG | there are probably a dozen different ways to produce this list |
| 16:00.42 | easytype | thanks, im in web based on mobile so taba was not visible, will look |
| 16:00.46 | babilen | dpkg: fixmbr |
| 16:00.47 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:00.47 | Brigo | lmcloughlin, weird. :) |
| 16:00.52 | babilen | easytype: ^^^^ |
| 16:01.45 | easytype | i think i might just marry debian 8 gnome, im in love with it |
| 16:01.50 | Hypfer | so yeah, every debian multimedia package is now gone |
| 16:02.11 | easytype | and thanks babilen i see taps pm now :-) |
| 16:02.50 | easytype | firefox / ios / freenode - aint like hexchat you know hehe :D |
| 16:02.58 | Hypfer | and NOW to the dist-upgrade |
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| 16:05.50 | easytype | babilen sry how do i find out what partiotion it is? |
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| 16:07.45 | SynrG | babilen, Hypfer: it appears -oAPT::Architecture=none forces aptitude to include architecture in its listing. i don't know if this is kosher ... determined experimentally :) |
| 16:07.46 | babilen | easytype: You remember your partition scheme and/or check out their contents. The output of "gdisk -l /dev/sda" or "fdisk -l /dev/sda" + their content after mounting them might be helpful. It might just be /dev/sda1, but that really depends on what you did during the installation and partitions that existed beforehand. |
| 16:08.02 | babilen | SynrG: Well done, hunter! |
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| 16:08.21 | easytype | thabks! |
| 16:08.44 | SynrG | i think i would want to install a debootstrap, pollute it with dmm, and then try a reworked factoid using this knowledge :) |
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| 16:09.49 | SynrG | i think -oAPT::Architecture=all is 'more correct' and gives the same result. |
| 16:10.06 | SynrG | otherwise it defaults to the arch of the system |
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| 16:10.37 | SynrG | i think the string 'none' is bogus and just happens to not match i386 or amd64 |
| 16:10.55 | SynrG | whereas 'all' is a real thing, and means 'all the architectures' on a multiarch system |
| 16:12.25 | SynrG | i think i'd want to consult with an apt expert first, though |
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| 16:13.30 | easytype | babilen this is way to advance for me, is there a easier way? |
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| 16:19.13 | easytype | no worry, fixing it with parted magic :-) |
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| 16:28.15 | SynrG | babilen: i was told to not count on it. pursuing further with #debian-apt for a supported solution :) |
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| 16:39.18 | Hypfer | I didn't expect that it would take that long on a system with an ssd |
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| 16:46.48 | p23454 | hi, i have a diretory named a, and how to delete all its contents and not delete a diretory ? by command |
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| 16:49.19 | abrotman | p23454: rm a/* ? |
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| 16:51.13 | p23454 | right. i tried it. it work. thank you |
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| 16:52.49 | placko | how do i record sound with arecord from webcam? What to pass for -D option. output -l and -L are on http://paste.ubuntu.com/13560561/ |
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| 16:56.59 | Hypfer | surprise |
| 16:57.01 | Hypfer | ... it works? |
| 16:57.07 | Hypfer | it works! |
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| 16:57.57 | Hypfer | only my patched version of marco is missing. obviously |
| 16:57.59 | derstrom | Hypfer: Congrats |
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| 16:58.03 | derstrom | you upgraded to 8? |
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| 16:58.53 | Hypfer | yes |
| 17:00.11 | Aebian | I think alsa somehow got messed up that he is unable to find my headset. Is there any possible way to update drivers for alsa? |
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| 17:03.00 | Hypfer | luckily I had the patched marco source folder still in my home directory |
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| 17:04.24 | anbz | \EXIT |
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| 17:05.17 | Aebian | hmm compiled the latest driver from alsa's website but still no change after reboot =( |
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| 17:05.43 | Hypfer | just steam isn't launching |
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| 17:10.52 | Hypfer | hey, installing it from the debian repos works :-) |
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| 17:14.13 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, is this bluetooth headset or jack? |
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| 17:17.04 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: USB |
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| 17:17.42 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: worked yesterday with no problems and also works fine on Windows. played ArmA 3 on Windows today with it |
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| 17:18.20 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, does lsusb find it? |
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| 17:18.37 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: Its a Plantronics Gamecom 780 and yes its there: Bus 005 Device 002: ID 047f:c010 Plantronics, Inc. |
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| 17:21.31 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, isn't there a usbaudio module? I'm just guessing now. |
| 17:22.19 | NoCode | Downloading Debian Jessie. I installed stretch but it's not right for some reason. So, hoping Jessie a little more refined. Plus the security updates. |
| 17:22.21 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: hmm not sure. Do you may know the package name? |
| 17:22.37 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, Checking |
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| 17:23.17 | filadome_ | do most people use debian for servers or workstations? |
| 17:23.18 | somiaj | NoCode: debian test can be a wild ride, and takes a bit more work, usually we suggest running stable here. |
| 17:23.59 | Aebian | filadome_: I use it as server and as worksatation ^^ |
| 17:24.00 | NoCode | Yes, I am going for stable now. I figured that it'd be pretty similar since the release candidate for Jessie was less than 2 months ago, I think. Right? |
| 17:24.17 | Hypfer | however I could still use some help regarding gpu acceleration |
| 17:24.43 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:24.53 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, what does it tell you. |
| 17:24.57 | somiaj | NoCode: jessie froze over a year ago, but jessie works for most things, and there is jessie-backports for some things. |
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| 17:25.17 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 17:25.37 | NoCode | I've come back to Debian after a few years of Windows 7. I may still dualboot, actually, I will be dualbooting because I want my steam games to run in Windows. But, I am looking forward to the freedom has to offer. I had Linux for a good 5-7 years before W7. |
| 17:25.53 | NoCode | somiaj, Cool. |
| 17:25.54 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, does /proc/asound exist |
| 17:25.57 | NoCode | Never knew. :) |
| 17:26.11 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: sadly nope ^^ |
| 17:26.27 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, wha? is alsa running? |
| 17:26.38 | somiaj | NoCode: no problem, just install debian second, and make sure the package os-prober is installed and it should detect your windows install allowing you to easily dual boot |
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| 17:27.32 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: notz sure how I can check it. Only service I got is alsa-utils which generates Failed to start alsa-utils.service: Unit alsa-utils.service is masked. |
| 17:27.52 | Hypfer | okay, so chrome doesn't use gpu rendering because GPU process was unable to boot: Features are disabled upon full but not preliminary GPU info. |
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| 17:28.04 | Hypfer | and also games run incredibly slow. like binding of isaac rebirth |
| 17:28.06 | Hypfer | what do? |
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| 17:29.24 | Hypfer | ok, Ive overridenn the gpu blacklist so now chrome works fine |
| 17:29.28 | Hypfer | onto the next |
| 17:29.59 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, check systemctl to see if sound.target is active |
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| 17:31.46 | Lionyx | When I want Graphic Mode, Xorg is the server, right? (I know there's a ton... keep reading). When on Console what is the default video server? Framebuffer is built inside kernel, right? Trying to understand it. |
| 17:32.19 | Marsupilami23 | Lionyx, yes, framebuffer |
| 17:32.23 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: its inactive loaded (/lib/systemd/system/sound.target; static) |
| 17:32.36 | Aebian | Active: inactive (dead) |
| 17:32.39 | Marsupilami23 | Lionyx, when X is running, then it uses the X modules |
| 17:32.57 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, try starting it: systemctl start sound.target |
| 17:33.17 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, if it fails, check your log. journalctl -xe |
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| 17:33.44 | Lionyx | tks Marsupilami23 |
| 17:33.49 | Marsupilami23 | Lionyx, NP |
| 17:33.54 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: didn't told me that it failed but its still in inactive mode |
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| 17:34.10 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, check your log |
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| 17:34.26 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, sounds like it's a configuration file issue |
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| 17:34.51 | Lionyx | Where do Debian get the bash colors for default? when running tmux (even with no config file), it seems colors change a bit. |
| 17:35.10 | Marsupilami23 | Lionyx, from your ~/.bashrc profile |
| 17:35.18 | Hypfer | ok nice, black screen with jazzpunk |
| 17:35.37 | Lionyx | Marsupilami23: and if there's none? |
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| 17:36.12 | Marsupilami23 | Lionyx, files with the . prefix are hidden and you must use ls -a to see them. |
| 17:36.23 | abrotman | he's asking where the colors are defined I think .. |
| 17:36.25 | NoCode | Should I be encrypting my home partition nowadays? |
| 17:36.29 | abrotman | which isn't .bashrc |
| 17:36.52 | Lionyx | Marsupilami23: yep. i think i'm getting fom the manual :) /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 17:37.27 | Marsupilami23 | abrotman, if not .bashrc? .profile? |
| 17:38.04 | abrotman | /usr/bin/dircolors will set the LS_COLORS, but I think he's asking where LS_COLORS gets those values |
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| 17:38.29 | abrotman | (and yes, dircolors is called from your .bashrc) .. but again, I think he was asking where the cdolors are defined |
| 17:38.32 | Marsupilami23 | abrotman, but you define the colors in .bashrc, right? |
| 17:38.42 | Marsupilami23 | abrotman, Oooooooh... . |
| 17:38.44 | NoCode | Is Gnome3 a lot more stable now? |
| 17:38.51 | Marsupilami23 | NoCode, yes |
| 17:39.22 | NoCode | Is it anymore similar to Gnome2? |
| 17:39.35 | Marsupilami23 | NoCode, not really. But I like it. |
| 17:39.39 | NoCode | :/ |
| 17:39.50 | Lionyx | i was looking for DIR_COLORS abrotman Marsupilami23. you're righ LS_COLORS is what i remember seeing. But the question is really... why loading a tmux from bash and having emacs or vi running with colored text shows different shades of colors :( |
| 17:40.19 | somiaj | NoCode: debian jessie offers 'mate' if you want a gnome2 fork, there is also cinnimon, which is a gnome-shell fork many people seem to like. |
| 17:40.22 | Marsupilami23 | NoCode, Gnome3 is more geared to toward touch screens |
| 17:40.27 | abrotman | Lionyx: colored text where? |
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| 17:40.40 | NoCode | Neat |
| 17:40.43 | Marsupilami23 | Lionyx, Oh, ok. So each have their own themes. But not sure where to find them. |
| 17:40.47 | abrotman | Lionyx: if oyu're talking about colors in emacs & vi .. those are controled by those progreams |
| 17:40.51 | abrotman | gives up typing |
| 17:40.58 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: just a sidenote, my colours are set in .Xresources |
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| 17:41.14 | Lionyx | abrotman: inside vi or tmux... colors are diferent in tty and inside tmux (runned from tty). |
| 17:41.15 | Marsupilami23 | abrotman, awe... |
| 17:41.31 | Hypfer | installing the latest xserver-xorg-video-intel from the jessie backports helped |
| 17:41.34 | Lionyx | zykotick9: xterm colors? :) |
| 17:41.44 | Hypfer | thanks everyone for encouraging me to update |
| 17:41.46 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: well urxvt colours... |
| 17:41.49 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: https://gist.github.com/Aebian/4d37a46b1cc8af43d1e1 |
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| 17:42.12 | Lionyx | runned i wrote that lol.... my english is sucking like my colors habilities :D |
| 17:42.31 | Lionyx | zykotick9: cool! |
| 17:42.55 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, Hmmm... that doesn't show what errors are being generated. |
| 17:43.17 | NoCode | I've had these DVD+Rs for like 15 years and they still work. lol. *shakes head* |
| 17:43.47 | NoCode | Figured the sunlight would have scrubbed them clean, no a non-working manner. But who I am to say that. :D |
| 17:43.54 | Lionyx | One example... tty1->login->emacs-> and open some org-mode. Stuff is RED. exit, tty->login->tmux-emacs-> open the same file on org-mode. Stuff is pink!!! |
| 17:44.20 | NoCode | Okay back in 15 |
| 17:44.20 | somiaj | Lionyx: so the colors are slightly different between running vim in a tty vs in tmux? (in the same tty)? |
| 17:45.08 | Marsupilami23 | Aebian, I hate to do this again, but I have errands to run. bbl |
| 17:45.09 | Lionyx | somiaj: exactly! and doesn't matter if i use tmux with or without a custom config file. |
| 17:45.11 | somiaj | Lionyx: I think the issue is most shells support 16 colors, and what the actual colors are, can be configured. tmux just must be using its own configuration different than the default shell you are in. |
| 17:45.27 | abrotman | thought it was 256 now |
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| 17:46.20 | somiaj | It might be, I thought you could use up to 256 (or even more) but could only define 16 colors that are used (or maybe it is just most things only use the 16 and haven't extended) |
| 17:46.21 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: is your tmux configured to use 256 colours? |
| 17:47.00 | Lionyx | zykotick9: it has the line that identifies it as a xterm-256 |
| 17:47.01 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: k cya |
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| 17:47.47 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: i think it should be screen-256color when you "echo $TERM" in tmux |
| 17:48.16 | Lionyx | somiaj: I understand you... but still thinking about it... |
| 17:48.19 | ProfessorKaos64 | I always follow the debian maintainers guide, is there a reason why I get an unknown substituions here? Depends field of package antimicro: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} |
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| 17:48.49 | somiaj | yea guess it is 256, foudn a script that prints them all, though I'm still use to the primary 16. (: |
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| 17:49.12 | Lionyx | zykotick9: that's the configuration there's inside that! but when i'm on tty if i echo $TERM, i just get "Linux". I tried Linux instead of screen-256color but no deal. |
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| 17:50.05 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: i get screen-256-color in both console and urxvt |
| 17:50.27 | TheGlobefish | Hi :) I've been told that I have a broken graphics setup and to come here. |
| 17:50.48 | ikonia | TheGlobefish: please don't paste long lines in here either |
| 17:50.51 | somiaj | TheGlobefish: what version of debain are you running? What is your graphics card? And what is broken about it? |
| 17:51.00 | ikonia | as I told you in #ubuntu, use pastebin.com to share big pastes |
| 17:51.13 | TheGlobefish | I'm on Debian 8 |
| 17:51.20 | TheGlobefish | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4AnS4x38 |
| 17:51.24 | TheGlobefish | that's my graphics info |
| 17:51.54 | TheGlobefish | apparently it's broken becuase nvidia and nouveau are fighting over graphics |
| 17:52.09 | Lionyx | there's also another problem! on TTY when i use my mouse with stuff like elinks or emacs (menus, mostly) it's all ok! But if tmux inside tty is ran, mouse only selects stuff, no clicking, no menu opening, nothing. |
| 17:52.10 | somiaj | TheGlobefish: Which driver do you want to use? |
| 17:52.19 | TheGlobefish | nvidia |
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| 17:52.30 | somiaj | TheGlobefish: okay, how did you install the nvidia non-free driver? |
| 17:52.52 | TheGlobefish | i didn't... |
| 17:52.56 | TheGlobefish | should i have? |
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| 17:54.00 | somiaj | TheGlobefish: well you said nvidia and nouveau drivers are fighting. This is only possible if you installed the nvidia drivers, so I'm courious how you installed the nvidia drivers. |
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| 17:54.06 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: using fbterm i've gotten limited mouse support in tmux... not sure about elinks/emacs... |
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| 17:54.27 | Lionyx | zykotick9: sorry but. what's fbterm? terminal emulator? |
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| 17:54.46 | TheGlobefish | i didn't install any drivers. i've been told that they're fighting, i don't understand why. i'll go install them now |
| 17:55.00 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: it's a frame buffer terminal option... |
| 17:55.01 | somiaj | Lionyx: note a lot of your questions revolve around tmux, maybe a tmux specific channel could give some better advise on how tmux changes/sets the colors and how to get the mouse to passthough tmux to the application for the menus. |
| 17:55.17 | somiaj | TheGlobefish: I'm just making sure you didn't go to nvidia.com and isntall the drivers. |
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| 17:55.34 | somiaj | TheGlobefish: if you didn't install the drivers there is no way they should be fighting on debian, because they will not be installed by default. |
| 17:55.41 | somiaj | !tell TheGlobefish about nvidia kernel dkms |
| 17:55.50 | danzka | I have a problem with grub 2.02 beta, the one which comes with linux kali 2, anyone can help? |
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| 17:56.04 | ikonia | try asking the kali linux guys ? |
| 17:56.08 | Aebian | If my device = Bus 004 Device 002: ID 047f:c010 Plantronics, Inc. what do I add after the device = ? load-module module-alsa-sink device= |
| 17:56.09 | ikonia | the channel is #kali-linux |
| 17:56.10 | somiaj | !tell TheGlobefish about nvidia dkms |
| 17:56.30 | Lionyx | somiaj: ya. tks for the insite. |
| 17:57.19 | Lionyx | zykotick9: where can I find more about this fbterm option? |
| 17:57.24 | kikipoulet | Hi |
| 17:57.45 | danzka | @ikonia it seems that I am hitting a bug |
| 17:57.57 | ikonia | then tell the kali-linux people |
| 17:58.01 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: it's a package, you can install then run it... i'm not sure it's worth your effort however... |
| 17:58.01 | ikonia | why would debian care ? |
| 17:58.17 | danzka | kali is debian and i am not a noob ;) |
| 17:58.25 | somiaj | !kali |
| 17:58.26 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 17:58.34 | ikonia | danzka: it's built from - but it's not |
| 17:58.37 | ikonia | so report it to kali, not debian |
| 17:58.38 | kikipoulet | 've got a problem with virtualbox. Here are the pictures :http://hpics.li/5d5aef4 http://hpics.li/a3413c3 |
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| 17:59.08 | somiaj | dpkg: it is not debian, they make changes, we cannot keep track of their changes. Proper path is to report a bug to kali, and if the bug is also in debian hopefully their matainer is nice enough to submit a patch upstream. |
| 17:59.08 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, somiaj |
| 17:59.15 | somiaj | danzka: ^^ |
| 17:59.18 | Lionyx | zykotick9: just install it? no configs needed for tmux? |
| 17:59.39 | danzka | cool |
| 17:59.50 | danzka | thanks guys |
| 18:00.12 | somiaj | but debian cannot tell if the bug is due to kali changes or not, so unless you can generate a report from a machien running debian you can't really makea bug report to the debian bts |
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| 18:00.28 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: once your in fbterm you'll find you can "click" on things inside tmux. i'd try your other programs elinks/emacs inside fbterm (without tmux first) to see if mouse support works. |
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| 18:01.10 | Lionyx | zykotick9: i should run fbterm from inside ttyy? |
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| 18:01.18 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: yup. |
| 18:01.31 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: note, window resizing doesn't work in fbterm either :( |
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| 18:02.12 | Lionyx | zykotick9: wow... tty->fbterm->tmux->bash->emacs .... that's a hell of frankenstein :D i'll give it a try |
| 18:03.47 | kikipoulet | up? |
| 18:05.54 | Lionyx | zykotick9: yep! mouse worked. not for resizing, but changing desktop is ok. fbterm runs on really high res though, more stuff to config :D |
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| 18:06.33 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: ya, fbterm took me some "configuring" as well ;) glad the mouse is working. |
| 18:06.37 | Lionyx | How do I figure out if my tty console is working on 8, 16 or 256, ... color mode? |
| 18:07.03 | kikipoulet | No one to help me? : O |
| 18:07.31 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: try "tput colors" |
| 18:08.33 | Lionyx | zykotick9: tks! now the hard one! how to i change it? |
| 18:09.00 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: fyi, i get 8 in console, and 256 in tmux on console. |
| 18:10.30 | Lionyx | zykotick9: I was thinking about doing this test here :D got 8 on both! |
| 18:10.54 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: i'd suggest your tmux is NOT setup properly for 256 colours |
| 18:11.29 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: i have 'set -g default-terminal "screen-256color"' in my .tmux.conf file. |
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| 18:15.17 | Lionyx | zykotick9: last night i changed it to linux in order to try get mouse working, I forgot it like that, now that i changed back to screen-256color it works like yours! Question is... it says 256 colors, but does it really works this way? |
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| 18:16.55 | zykotick9 | Lionyx: well, your terminal "thinks" it has 256 colours?!?! there are some scripts out there that can test... |
| 18:16.58 | halp | Hi, I am new to debian. I installed debian testing. I tried to install the "abook" package but it's not in the repositories. I already did an " aptitude update" Some sites lead me to believe that it used to be but now it's not. What would be the debian way to install this package? |
| 18:17.01 | kikipoulet | Why nobody helps me? .. |
| 18:17.23 | kikipoulet | 've got a problem with virtualbox. Here are the pictures :http://hpics.li/5d5aef4 http://hpics.li/a3413c3 |
| 18:17.37 | bazhang | #vbox kikipoulet |
| 18:17.41 | somiaj | ,v abook |
| 18:17.42 | judd | Package: abook on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.6-7+b1; wheezy: 0.6.0~pre2-3; jessie: 0.6.0~pre2-3; sid: 0.6.0~pre2-5 |
| 18:17.45 | Aebian | kikipoulet: maybe try your luck in a virtualbox channel? |
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| 18:18.35 | somiaj | halp: it looks likeit has been removed from stretch, I would look up why. That being said, you can probabaly just install the package from sid just fine (since it is really the same version as wheezy and jessie, this means this package hasn't been updated in years and may be buggy (hence why it was removed) |
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| 18:19.08 | kikipoulet | Aebien: virtualbox channel? There is a channel for the virtualbox? |
| 18:19.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:19.17 | zykotick9 | would miss abook if it's removed (works well with mutt) |
| 18:19.49 | bazhang | #vbox kikipoulet |
| 18:19.50 | peterrooney | #vbox |
| 18:20.04 | bazhang | 3rd times the charm |
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| 18:21.03 | Aebian | hmmm damn alsa ore pulse.. why they just don't recognicing my USB Headset ._. |
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| 18:21.09 | Aebian | *or |
| 18:21.09 | kikipoulet | ok, thanks everybody :) |
| 18:21.55 | halp | somiaj: While running debian testing and I want to install a single package from sid (abook). How can I do this without installing in everything else in sid? |
| 18:22.00 | somiaj | halp, zykotick9: seems to be a gcc5 transition issue, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777764, it will probably flow back to testing once its depends can be met in testing (and no rc bugs are filed) |
| 18:22.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/777764 in src:abook (closed, patch, stretch, sid): «abook: ftbfs with GCC-5»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-02-12; last modified: 2015-08-05. |
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| 18:22.20 | zykotick9 | somiaj: thanks |
| 18:22.45 | Lionyx | Ignore if you want, this is not a question. But Just you guys can understand why i keep asking you stuff. I use this notebook a lot during my work and battery saving is a must. I'm also studying for LPI1 and my work is not related to IT. So tons of stuff ae open!! kde is great, but i wanted to have stuff using 100% of my screen and saving power, so i'm trying to live inside console-mode! Also! I'm testing i3 |
| 18:22.49 | Lionyx | window manager! wooooowww that's some cool stuff!!! (I used Linux from 98 to 2009 as my default home PC OS, but never got really INTO properly , my goal is now being an sys admin and change my professional life). May i keep asking you and boring you? =D |
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| 18:23.02 | zykotick9 | halp: you might want to checkout "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 18:23.06 | somiaj | halp: I personally download the .debs I need from packages.debian.org as I don't want to add the sources. Also due to the gcc5 issue, the sid one may not work in testing. Unsure where the gcc5 transition is. If that is the case maybe just be paitent. |
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| 18:24.20 | halp | zykotick9, somiaj: Thank you! That helps me. |
| 18:24.30 | ^elyse^ | Why is there headless JRE but no headless JDK? |
| 18:24.47 | Martijn | Hi everyone - i'm using Ubuntu and I tried to install mono-develop from it. It works, but I get not the latest version. Installing from commandline failed when I follow the manual online. I heared the core of Ubuntu is Debian based. Does anyone know a solution? |
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| 18:25.15 | bazhang | Martijn, this is #debian |
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| 18:25.57 | Aebian | sudo: alsa: command not found |
| 18:26.00 | Aebian | ee what? |
| 18:26.19 | Martijn | bazhang: I know. But the core is Debian based I heared. I hope someone here knows a solution. I'm searching for a full day now. |
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| 18:26.28 | bazhang | alsamixer in the terminal Aebian |
| 18:26.34 | bazhang | not alsa |
| 18:26.43 | bazhang | and no need for sudo at a ll Aebian |
| 18:26.54 | abrotman | Martijn: you should ask #ubuntu |
| 18:27.00 | bazhang | he did |
| 18:27.06 | Aebian | ah I see, thanks bazhang |
| 18:27.07 | Martijn | abrotman: I tried, but no reaction :-( |
| 18:27.09 | Lionyx | will come back latter |
| 18:27.11 | Lionyx | see ya! |
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| 18:27.36 | abrotman | Martijn: Then wait a bit, ask again. |
| 18:27.44 | abrotman | In #ubuntu, not here |
| 18:28.00 | bazhang | waited 2 mins |
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| 18:28.39 | Martijn | Jeeej, I know, otherwise I install Debian instead of Ubuntu. The support is much better here. |
| 18:29.00 | abrotman | that's your choice. We still do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 18:29.34 | abrotman | Martijn: Good luck in #ubuntu |
| 18:30.46 | johnkeates | is there some sort of master repo containing all versions of packages that were released? |
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| 18:32.23 | zykotick9 | johnkeates: perhaps http://snapshot.debian.org/ might be of help? |
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| 18:32.38 | johnkeates | zykotick9: excellent! |
| 18:32.43 | hassoon | good evening |
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| 18:40.02 | Aebian | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument |
| 18:40.04 | Aebian | hmmm |
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| 18:43.25 | Scaniatrucker | Martijn. Hello. Please check Debian F.A.Q., chapter 3.2.2. Here link https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.2.1 |
| 18:43.50 | abrotman | He's not using Debian ... |
| 18:44.17 | NoCode | https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html -- Should I follow this page to install the latest/ greatest (working)KDE? |
| 18:44.39 | markybob | no |
| 18:45.02 | markybob | since you said "working" |
| 18:45.12 | markybob | it's called experimental for a reason |
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| 18:46.11 | NoCode | Well, yes. Is there a median between stable and testing versions of KDE? |
| 18:46.28 | abrotman | backports |
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| 18:47.06 | NoCode | Okay, I'll look into that. Thanks abrotman. |
| 18:48.24 | mns | Why do I see this when I run 'aptitude safe-upgrade': open: 498430; closed: 461721; defer: 64; conflict: 177 ..... terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' .... what(): std::bad_alloc .... Aborted |
| 18:49.13 | zykotick9 | mns: are you using Linux Mint Debian Edition? |
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| 18:50.21 | Hypfer | anyone here running jessie on broadwell hardware? I constantly get freezes with [drm] GPU HANG: ecode 8:0:0x85dffffb, in chrome [4377], reason: Ring hung, action: reset |
| 18:50.35 | Hypfer | the kernel parameter intel_iommu=igfx_off didn't solve this issue |
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| 18:51.07 | mns | zykotick9: no I'm using Debian/testing |
| 18:51.30 | mns | I was able to do a apt-get upgrade with no problems |
| 18:51.40 | zykotick9 | mns: ahhh. well best of luck. fyi, you _might_ have more success in #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 18:51.57 | mns | and it still gives me the above mentioned abort message |
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| 19:04.33 | Hypfer | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:04.34 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917-2; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2; experimental: 2:2.99.917+git20151019-1~exp1 |
| 19:04.53 | sudo3 | hi, i want to forward port for my openvpn on my vps , do anyone know how can i do that using iptables or netfilter? |
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| 19:05.06 | sudo3 | its for some windows application purposes |
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| 19:09.41 | m3nda | sudo3, i may not understand your question... |
| 19:09.50 | m3nda | sudo3, redirect what port to what device? |
| 19:10.09 | m3nda | sudo3, can't u ssh -L listen ? |
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| 19:12.42 | sudo3 | hmm |
| 19:13.39 | sudo3 | i have some application that runs only on certain port, i have installed openvpn on my vps and i use that VPN on my windows machine, i want to make this certain port reachable from internet |
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| 19:15.28 | robert-rsl19 | Hey, does anyone know if it's possible to use Ubuntu debs from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ to install different kernels? |
| 19:16.00 | towo` | why to hell anyone would do that in debian? |
| 19:17.06 | abrotman | robert-rsl19: to install on what OS? |
| 19:17.21 | robert-rsl19 | on Jessie. I need to install the 3.18 kernel but I can't find it in any repos |
| 19:17.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell robert-rsl19 about jessie backports |
| 19:17.43 | abrotman | robert-rsl19: the backports for jessie have a 4.x kernel |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 19:17.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-trunk-686-pae (4.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.6-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u6) |
| 19:17.56 | abrotman | 4.2.x to be more precise |
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| 19:18.30 | NoCode | Hrm, yeah, I'm unsure what I am doing with backports to get KDE installed from there. |
| 19:19.21 | robert-rsl19 | abrotman: I need the 3.18 kernel specifically though. Anything later than that has huge issues with my laptop |
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| 19:20.34 | m3nda | sudo3, sorry, was on other channel |
| 19:20.49 | m3nda | sudo3, so, you want to access your machine using openvpn from the server |
| 19:20.52 | m3nda | sudo3, is that? |
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| 19:21.06 | abrotman | robert-rsl19: so use the 3.16 already in Jessie ? |
| 19:21.44 | sudo3 | yes |
| 19:22.11 | sudo3 | exactly |
| 19:22.11 | m3nda | did you tried simply connection SSH and Listening port? |
| 19:22.24 | m3nda | it's easier than iptables i think |
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| 19:22.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey |
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| 19:22.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | shouldn't i be able to boot the live debian amd64bit on a i7 cpu/machine? |
| 19:23.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:23.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | even no failsafe it just sits there.. no errors or nothing |
| 19:23.09 | robert-rsl19 | abrotman: yeah I'll probably try to fix my problem on the 3.16 kernel |
| 19:23.09 | m3nda | sudo3, do you need to open port to more people, or just for you? |
| 19:23.11 | robert-rsl19 | thanks for the help |
| 19:23.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | wtf, |
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| 19:23.36 | sudo3 | root@me:~# ssh -L ip:80 |
| 19:23.36 | sudo3 | Bad local forwarding specification 'ip:80' |
| 19:23.40 | sudo3 | that way u mean? |
| 19:23.57 | sudo3 | i tried ssh -L ip:80 ip:5555 and same output |
| 19:23.57 | NoCode | Seems I can't get sound either. But my interface is quite specific. Steinberg UR22. I mean, a lot of people have them, but it's not regular hardware. |
| 19:24.10 | sudo3 | i think it might work |
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| 19:24.12 | m3nda | Listen command is like that: |
| 19:24.19 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: how did you create the bootable image from the live iso, and are you useing legacy or efi boot (afiak debian-live only supports legacy boot) |
| 19:24.27 | m3nda | ssh root@domain -L 8888:localhost:8888 |
| 19:24.33 | NoCode | computer sounds work, html5 video works without sound |
| 19:24.42 | m3nda | so, when you connect localhost:8888 you is connecting to the vps 8888 port |
| 19:24.47 | abrotman | seemslike a PulseAudio thing |
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| 19:25.47 | somiaj | NoCode: cat /proc/asound/cards (I would first check to see if alsa found your card), if so then it is probabaly a configuration issue. |
| 19:25.48 | m3nda | sudo3, let me check something with my own |
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| 19:25.54 | m3nda | sudo3, im also interested on that |
| 19:26.28 | sudo3 | ok , i just used that rule and will check on nmap if port is open |
| 19:26.54 | m3nda | sudo3, please, read a bit here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/PortForwarding |
| 19:27.07 | m3nda | sudo3, of course u will need to open open port |
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| 19:27.39 | m3nda | sudo3, i use -L 5901:localhost:5901 to connect to a -localhost vnc server, wich do not listen. but that is not what you like |
| 19:27.56 | NoCode | 3 [UR22 ]: USB-Audio - Steinberg UR22 |
| 19:27.56 | NoCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.01 | NoCode | Yes, it's there. |
| 19:28.30 | m3nda | sudo3, seems, -R does what you like |
| 19:28.47 | somiaj | NoCode: What desktop did you go with? You can either configure pulseaudio or alsa to use that card. |
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| 19:29.37 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:30.03 | NoCode | What do you mean desktop? I build my rig. Currently I'm in Jessie with default KDE.Backports are enabled, but haven't done anything with the backports. |
| 19:30.10 | NoCode | built* |
| 19:30.11 | DexterF | what is the preferred method to re-lease a dhcp on deb8? |
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| 19:30.35 | somiaj | DexterF: kinda depends on how you configure your network. |
| 19:31.02 | DexterF | somiaj: I assigned a fixed ip address to the machine NIC's MAC in my router and would like the deb box to adapt |
| 19:31.20 | NoCode | I'll try install gstreamer1.0-alsa |
| 19:31.40 | Aebian | reinstalled / purged alsa und pulseaudio nearly 8 times but still can't get my headset to work. Its recognized by debian itslef via lsusb but the mixer just don't show it. I also tried to recompile the audio driver from alsa's website which worked fine bot nothing got fixed. my user aebian is in the group for aebian sudo audio pulse |
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| 19:31.44 | somiaj | NoCode: so kde. It mostlikely uses pulse and should have a config tool for it. You can check if pulse is running with 'ps fax | grep pulse', you can use pavucontrol as a tool to configure pulse. |
| 19:31.46 | sudo3 | hm, i dont know if i understood correctly but i will try to explain again. I have windows machine and VPS - I installed openvpn on vps and im connected to that vpn on windows machine. I have application on my windows machine that works only on port 56789, i am connected to VPN on windows machine but when i run this application on my windows machine being connected to VPN then this application |
| 19:31.46 | sudo3 | tells me that this port is not open and reachable from the internet. so thats why i need to open/forward that port, i know its possible because for example airvpn.org offers port forwarding and u can open port u want. already tested it but i prefer to use vpn i set up on my VPS rather that airvpn.org one |
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| 19:32.10 | somiaj | DexterF: and do you use networkmanager or some other tool to manage your interface? |
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| 19:32.34 | DexterF | somiaj: whatever is installed when you install deb7 and upgrade to 8 |
| 19:33.00 | somiaj | DexterF: Do you have some gui tool you use to configure your network? |
| 19:33.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | somiaj: oh no new boot no wonder |
| 19:33.19 | NoCode | I believe it is running. |
| 19:33.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | it is a modern pc |
| 19:33.50 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: well many uefi machiens can be configured to boot legacy. |
| 19:33.56 | DexterF | somiaj: don't remember. installed deb7 years ago, plugged a network cable in, end of the story. worked ever since. |
| 19:34.03 | NoCode | Should I restart X to see if audio is working, or will it work after fiddling with pavucontrol? |
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| 19:34.22 | somiaj | DexterF: run this command, "grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 19:34.39 | somiaj | NoCode: no need to restart X, just change pulse's config |
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| 19:35.13 | DexterF | somiaj: allow-hotplug eth0 \ iface eth0 inet dhcp. |
| 19:35.48 | somiaj | DexterF: there wasn't an auto eth0 line? Hmm, anyways, that looks like how you configure your network. |
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| 19:36.11 | somiaj | DexterF: if so 'ifdown eth0' followed by an 'ifup eth0' should bring down the device and bring it back up, when it requests dhcp the router should give it its new address |
| 19:37.11 | DexterF | somiaj: did this from ssh already: nohup sh -c "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" but the old ip stayed |
| 19:38.43 | somiaj | DexterF: I think you are using dhclient so the leases would be kept here /var/lib/dhclient/ |
| 19:39.13 | DexterF | http://pastebin.com/KHYumrHv - .223 is the dhcp server alright, but why doesn't it lease a new one then? |
| 19:39.26 | somiaj | seems you can run dhclient -r eth0 as part of it. |
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| 19:40.23 | somiaj | DexterF: afiak, leases have a time frame, so when dhcilent runs, it is requesting its old lease which I thik the router accepts before assigning it a new one. You need to flush your current lease getting dhclient to ask for a new one. |
| 19:40.35 | somiaj | I'm unsure the best way to do this if you have to do it over ssh. |
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| 19:40.49 | DexterF | somiaj: I have physical access as well |
| 19:40.51 | somiaj | because dhclient -r eth0 should release the ip lease and possibaly bring your device down. |
| 19:41.05 | somiaj | okay, I'm not use to resting network stuff over the network, so I didn't want to get you ina bind. |
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| 19:43.18 | NoCode | Can't seem to get the UR22 to work. hmm |
| 19:43.38 | LunaLovegood | in /etc/rsyslog.conf, how do I set it up so all messages from bind end up in /var/log/named.log instead of cluttering my /var/log/syslog ? |
| 19:43.54 | DexterF | somiaj: doesn't work. could ba a router issue, too. I'll recheck that.. |
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| 19:46.16 | LunaLovegood | I tried ' if $programname == "named" then /var/log/named.log ' but it just ends up duplicated. |
| 19:46.47 | NoCode | somiaj, http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/Support-for-Steinberg-UR22-Yamaha-USB-chipset-0499-1509-td82888.html -- Seems like a solution here, but I don't know if it's Debian or Ubuntu specific. |
| 19:46.54 | somiaj | DexterF: you can manually remove the leases in /var/lig/dhcp/ as well. |
| 19:46.56 | DexterF | somiaj: tadaa. router didn't believe me the first time. thanks. |
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| 19:48.23 | somiaj | NoCode: so your device is not listed in aplay -l, but was listed in cat /proc/asound/cards? |
| 19:48.55 | oiwioe | hi, my computer wont boot anymore on windows nor linux, i expect the mgr to be broken, so i booted on a live usb stick with a boot repair iso; this is what it shows http://paste.ubuntu.com/13564436/ |
| 19:49.29 | somiaj | NoCode: the fact that you saw the card makes me think it is not that issue. Did you check the mixer for that device to ensure it isn't muted and the volume is truned up? Did you try doing a speaker test with pulseaudio (and make sure you are running pulse, I belive you are) |
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| 19:51.43 | NoCode | somiaj, aplay -l lists it. same with cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:51.57 | NoCode | card 3: UR22 [Steinberg UR22], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 0/1 |
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| 19:54.19 | somiaj | NoCode: you can also check dmesg, but if alsa is detecting the card then it should be working. And if you are useing pulseaudio, you should be able to configure pulseaudio to use that card |
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| 19:55.45 | infinity1 | in jessie, are some services started by systemd and some the old way? |
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| 19:56.29 | Aebian | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 19:56.31 | Aebian | =( |
| 19:57.28 | somiaj | infinity1: they are all started by systemd, but systemd is backwards compadable with LSB init scripts and uses those to start the service. |
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| 19:57.44 | somiaj | so not all use .service files |
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| 19:59.55 | infinity1 | somiaj: i think i get it. to disable a service i should use "systemctl disable" and get its name with systemctl |
| 20:00.04 | infinity1 | no more update-rc.d |
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| 20:03.06 | infinity1 | whats the use of the systemd journal ? |
| 20:03.38 | infinity1 | ist a syslog replacement? wtf? |
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| 20:05.39 | simonlnu | no, not replacement, but some would think so. |
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| 20:06.31 | infinity1 | i think i'll leave it disabled. not sure i need it. |
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| 20:07.18 | infinity1 | though, if i type "journalctl" i get output even though i don't have a /var/log/journal dir |
| 20:07.22 | infinity1 | hmmm |
| 20:07.29 | simonlnu | i enable it, in persistent mode, it's useful. but i like logs too |
| 20:07.43 | simonlnu | check the man page for why that's so |
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| 20:08.26 | infinity1 | simonlnu: what do you find it useful for ? |
| 20:08.58 | simonlnu | keeping track of certain things, mostly so things don't break |
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| 20:10.23 | wallbroken | is there some diff between lxde and lxde-core? |
| 20:10.34 | infinity1 | simonlnu: a specific example? |
| 20:10.59 | simonlnu | video, audio, various processes, etc. |
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| 20:12.16 | abrotman | wallbroken: read the package descriptions |
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| 20:12.37 | wallbroken | lxde-core has less things than lxde? |
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| 20:13.29 | infinity1 | wallbroken: lxde depends on Depends: galculator, gpicview, leafpad, lxappearance, lxappearance-obconf, lxde-core, lxde-icon-theme, lxinput, lxrandr, lxsession-edit, lxterminal, xarchiver |
| 20:13.58 | infinity1 | so yes. |
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| 20:14.58 | wallbroken | ok, just because i'm installing lxde-core but it is taking too much time |
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| 20:16.20 | wallbroken | and how to install "startx" ? |
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| 20:21.25 | zykotick9 | wallbroken: "startx" is in xinit package. |
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| 20:26.35 | NoCode | No luck yet. :/ |
| 20:26.45 | NoCode | Testing sound doesn't work either |
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| 20:29.28 | wallbroken | in which package i can get tar? |
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| 20:31.22 | ndiddy | wallbroken, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tar&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 20:32.08 | puzzolo | apt-get install -y apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search tar # or apt-file search $PATH/tar |
| 20:32.17 | tjcarter | wallbroken: it should be in /bin in this case, not /usr/bin |
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| 20:33.00 | tjcarter | wallbroken: From a bash terminal prompt, you can find an installed command in your path using "command -v tar" in this case. |
| 20:33.13 | ndiddy | i think he's afk |
| 20:33.18 | wallbroken | solved, thank you |
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| 20:33.23 | tjcarter | Though if you haven't got the tar package installed, that's bad. :) |
| 20:33.39 | salviaD | does debian reserves pid numbers indefinitely ? |
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| 20:34.22 | NoCode | I will try MATE to see if that works |
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| 20:35.41 | hexnewbie | salviaD: Given that the maximum PID is 32768, you'd be only able to run 32768 processes after boot. So no. |
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| 20:36.34 | salviaD | but it should not use the same pid number again, util 32768 , right ? |
| 20:36.38 | hexnewbie | salviaD: You can, of course, raise that value to 4 million. |
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| 20:37.05 | hexnewbie | salviaD: You shouldn't rely on that. What are you trying to do? |
| 20:37.40 | ndiddy | hexnewbie, does that mean that you can only run 4,000,000 processes at once |
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| 20:38.02 | hexnewbie | ndiddy: It would seem so. |
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| 20:39.41 | hexnewbie | ndiddy: Though you do have pid namespaces. Not sure how that works, though. |
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| 20:56.13 | kerunaru | Ooops, sorry... lol |
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| 20:56.53 | schoppenhauer | hi. I am using mod-suexec-custom. I want to run the php-fcgi-process as a special user. I gave this user a directory via DocumentRoot. It belongs to this user. Still, when trying to execute a php script, I get the error message "cannot get docroot information (/var/www)". searching suggests that I would have to recompile it, but I thought suexec-custom was made as an alternative for not having to do that, and |
| 20:56.58 | schoppenhauer | being able to configure it. |
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| 21:01.42 | bzed | schoppenhauer: I'd suggest you use php-fpm instead |
| 21:01.50 | bzed | schoppenhauer: less pain :) |
| 21:01.53 | schoppenhauer | editing /etc/apache2/suexec/www-data does not appear to do *anything* |
| 21:01.56 | NoCode | Got it working somehow! |
| 21:02.13 | NoCode | I logged into MATE, and it was all successful after. xD |
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| 21:02.24 | NoCode | Now I am back in KDE, and sound works. |
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| 21:02.32 | NoCode | Don't know what I did. |
| 21:02.47 | schoppenhauer | bzed: there does not seem to be a debian package for it |
| 21:03.06 | hassoon | NoCode: KDEEEE :D |
| 21:03.24 | hassoon | NoCode: i have kde 4.14.2, what about yours , : |
| 21:03.30 | hassoon | * ? :o |
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| 21:03.42 | simonlnu | NoCode: sounds like a similar issue I had with a mimetype I Set in MATE, and wanted to change in KDE, but on the KDE side it kept resetting. had to log in with MATE to fix it. |
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| 21:03.49 | simonlnu | set* |
| 21:03.58 | schoppenhauer | bzed: ah sry, its called php5-fpm |
| 21:04.01 | NoCode | hassoon, At this point, I have not a clue. Default stable KDE. |
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| 21:04.24 | hassoon | NoCode: jsut open dolphin, help > About |
| 21:04.28 | hassoon | just * |
| 21:04.36 | hassoon | about kde, i mean. |
| 21:04.53 | NoCode | 4.14.2 |
| 21:04.55 | bzed | schoppenhauer: yes :) basically you configure your fpm workers in /etc/php5/fpm/pools.d and then you configure apache or nginx or whatever you like to connect to the fpm fcgi socket |
| 21:05.05 | hassoon | NoCode: cool, what is your distro |
| 21:05.08 | bzed | schoppenhauer: there are a lot of tutorials if you google a bit |
| 21:05.23 | NoCode | Debian Jessie |
| 21:05.27 | simonlnu | hassoon: debian i would think |
| 21:05.49 | hassoon | NoCode: good, wr are alike |
| 21:05.55 | hassoon | simonlnu: yep |
| 21:05.59 | Aebian | Marsupilami23: Issue got fixed. had to reinstall my kernel |
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| 21:06.11 | schoppenhauer | bzed: ok thx. |
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| 21:06.43 | NoCode | For sure. I had my doubts to get sound working with my audio interface. Now I want to get a -rt kernel working at some point and see about enabling asio. |
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| 21:07.20 | NoCode | I forget all things Linux. D: |
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| 21:08.10 | mojijoji | hi guys, I would like to swap alt and altgr. I did the following "setxkbmap -option alt:lalt_ralt, but it didn't work. Hope someone can help me with this issue. |
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| 21:09.15 | NoCode | Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI1: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH2: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia3: USB-Audio - Steinberg UR22 ** |
| 21:09.24 | NoCode | What I had to deal with.lol ^ |
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| 21:12.41 | sudo3 | hi guys, i want to make port forwarding for openvpn on my vps, how can i do so? |
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| 21:13.14 | infinity1 | sudo3: iptables |
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| 21:13.25 | sudo3 | yh but its hard with iptables |
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| 21:14.34 | sudo3 | and ssh -f -N -D 0.0.0.0:1080 localhost |
| 21:14.37 | sudo3 | any idea? |
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| 21:15.01 | sudo3 | i have program on windows machine i want to receive things from internet |
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| 21:15.17 | sudo3 | while im conected to vpn |
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| 21:15.55 | infinity1 | sudo3: maybe netcat |
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| 21:17.39 | infinity1 | or simpleproxy |
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| 21:17.52 | sudo3 | could u help me a bit? /sbin/iptables -F |
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| 21:18.11 | infinity1 | sudo3: lol. nope. not looking for an iptables project :) |
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| 21:18.33 | infinity1 | i'd rather play with my home automation :) |
| 21:18.33 | sudo3 | oh yeah |
| 21:18.34 | sudo3 | thats true |
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| 21:18.50 | sudo3 | sometimes you will help someone and sometimes someone will help u |
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| 21:19.15 | infinity1 | sudo3: yup. but i know this is going to require real work and i'm not in the mood for real work :) |
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| 21:19.41 | sudo3 | bro |
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| 21:19.56 | sudo3 | airvpn.org allow port forwarding but i prefer to do it on my own vps i set up on vps |
| 21:19.58 | infinity1 | no reading man pages, no google. |
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| 21:20.12 | sudo3 | worked like a charm |
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| 21:36.58 | somiaj | infinity1: correct, and systemctl will correctly make the calls to update-rc.d to keep compadability. To see the status of a process 'systemctl status service', to get your journal, man journalctl |
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| 21:54.33 | abrotman | ph88^: what command line app? something like runit perhaps ? |
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| 21:55.31 | ph88^ | abrotman, irc bot |
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| 21:57.21 | abrotman | ph88^: try runit, not sure |
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| 21:58.43 | ph88^ | sounds a bit heavy by the describtion of it .. Runit is a process supervisor. It includes runit-init, which can replace sysv's init as pid1, or can be run from inittab or your init system of choice. |
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| 21:59.09 | ph88^ | isn´t there a lighter solution then replacing pid1 process? o_O |
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| 22:00.06 | abrotman | you asked .. |
| 22:00.07 | hector1 | hi |
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| 22:00.20 | abrotman | you don't have to replace PID1 .. it optionally can do that |
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| 22:00.33 | ph88^ | hai |
| 22:00.50 | ph88^ | does wheezy use systemd ? |
| 22:00.50 | abrotman | optionally |
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| 22:01.35 | ph88^ | how can i find out of my installation uses systemd ? |
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| 22:02.12 | Brigo | ph88^, cat /proc/1/comm |
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| 22:03.01 | sudo3 | root@me:~# service iptables restart |
| 22:03.01 | sudo3 | iptables: unrecognized service |
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| 22:03.01 | sudo3 | how can i restart iptables |
| 22:03.02 | sudo3 | ? |
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| 22:03.02 | abrotman | sudo3: this isn't CentOS |
| 22:03.15 | Brigo | sudo3, debian don't configure iptables by default. |
| 22:03.15 | ph88^ | Brigo, returns: init |
| 22:03.15 | hassoon | sydo systemctl restart iptables.service ? |
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| 22:03.23 | hassoon | sudo * |
| 22:03.24 | Brigo | ph88^, then you are with systemvinit, not systemd. |
| 22:03.44 | Arahael | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:03.45 | abrotman | Arahael: in CentOS, it is |
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| 22:04.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sudo3 about iptables-persistent |
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| 22:04.44 | Arahael | abrotman: Well, that's confusing. |
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| 22:05.27 | Brigo | there is a netfilter-persistent system too. |
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| 22:06.04 | sudo3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.04 | sudo3 | sudo: systemctl: command not found |
| 22:06.05 | sudo3 | sudo systemctl restart iptables.service sudo: systemctl: command not found |
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| 22:06.37 | sudo3 | sudo: systemctl: command not found ;/ |
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| 22:07.18 | Brigo | sudo3, are you using jessie for sure? |
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