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| 16:39.49 | wondiws | how do you install the flashplayer these days? |
| 16:39.55 | wondiws | flashplugin-nonfree doesn't want to |
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| 16:40.49 | tytan | Hello, everyone! I have a nVidia Quadro FX 4500. Can I install drivers for that in Debian 8? |
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| 16:46.56 | mtn | wondiws, install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash from backports |
| 16:47.24 | wondiws | mtn, really? |
| 16:47.32 | mtn | wondiws, no, I am lying |
| 16:47.39 | sputnikchen | Hello, i tried to install SOGo, but i can't find the Web-interface. How to install this? |
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| 16:47.51 | wondiws | don't you support Adobes version anymore? |
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| 16:48.16 | centrx | wondiws, Adobe doesn't support Linux any more |
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| 16:48.22 | mtn | wondiws, adobe quit supporting linux long ago. pepperflash is the only way to get an uptodate version of flash on linux |
| 16:49.03 | wondiws | mtn, and this freshplayer is not in Debian's repository? |
| 16:49.25 | mtn | wondiws, yes, it is. in backports as I just said. |
| 16:49.36 | mtn | !tell wondiws about debian-backports |
| 16:49.45 | greycat | holy wow that is a long package name |
| 16:49.53 | greycat | ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 16:49.54 | judd | Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.2-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.2-1+b1; stretch/contrib: 0.3.2-1+b1 |
| 16:50.22 | littlebear | wondiws: afaik chrome have flash builtin right? |
| 16:50.35 | wondiws | littlebear, I'll try that out |
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| 16:54.20 | momomo | is there a way to hide the application menu so it becomes part of the ... as well as the - [] x bar ... it just two rows that could be optimized .. |
| 16:54.26 | momomo | like unity |
| 16:55.10 | greycat | what "application menu" are you talking about? |
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| 17:03.01 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 17:05.04 | tobiasBora | I've downloaded the live version (Kde version, downloadable here : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/) |
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| 17:05.34 | tobiasBora | and then did "dd if=debian....iso of=<my usb key> bs=4M" |
| 17:05.56 | tobiasBora | However the key isn't bootable, |
| 17:06.06 | momomo | greycat, the one for each applcation .. one row containing the name close minimize buttons ... then one more for edit, window help |
| 17:06.13 | tobiasBora | and when I open it with Gparted, the file system is "unknow". |
| 17:06.16 | greycat | momomo: in what window manager? |
| 17:06.31 | mtn | tobiasBora, what was the actual of= ? |
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| 17:06.48 | momomo | i am using gnome 3 .. |
| 17:06.52 | tobiasBora | When I do that with Ubuntu, Gparted recognised it very well, and there isn't anyproblem in mounting. |
| 17:06.58 | greycat | OK, I know absolutely nothing about GNOME. |
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| 17:07.02 | tobiasBora | mtn: of=/dev/sdc |
| 17:07.13 | tobiasBora | I must use /dev/sdc1 ? |
| 17:07.14 | momomo | greycat, what are you using ? |
| 17:07.19 | greycat | momomo: fvwm |
| 17:07.44 | mtn | tobiasBora, since this is a debian iso, just use cp. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 17:07.52 | somiaj | tobiasBora: cp works, and put it on the device (not the partition), so cp debian.iso /dev/sdc |
| 17:08.01 | somiaj | tobiasBora: note this will destroy the aprtition table and all data on sdc |
| 17:08.02 | greycat | dd and cp should both work |
| 17:08.14 | momomo | greycat, that's hardcore |
| 17:09.09 | mtn | momomo, a lot of changes can be made to gnome. search for gnome extensions for many options |
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| 17:10.37 | momomo | mtn, yes, none for that |
| 17:11.08 | somiaj | momomo: fvwm is great, (: |
| 17:11.08 | mtn | momomo, really? I am surprised, but if there is none, you are probably out of luck |
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| 17:11.28 | Zambezi | greycat: I can explain better in Swedish but don't know the words in English. But read on wikipedia it's called delayed allocation/allocate-on-flush. |
| 17:11.47 | tobiasBora | mtn: I will try, thank you |
| 17:12.34 | tobiasBora | greycat: I already tried some months ago with dd, and the problem was the same... I hope cp will solve the problem ! |
| 17:12.49 | greycat | tobiasBora: it really shouldn't matter... |
| 17:13.16 | somiaj | tobiasBora: are you copying to the device (sdc) or the partition (sdc1)? |
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| 17:14.31 | tobiasBora | somiaj: The device /dev/sdc |
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| 17:14.43 | tobiasBora | sudo cp debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso /dev/sdc |
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| 17:14.53 | somiaj | tobiasBora: what doesn't work with the image? Are you trying to boot it using efi or legacy boot? |
| 17:15.10 | tobiasBora | somiaj: EFI boot |
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| 17:15.32 | somiaj | tobiasBora: that is the problem. the live images do not support efi boot (at least they haven't and don't think it has been added) |
| 17:15.42 | somiaj | tobiasBora: are you trying to use the live image to recover an efi system? |
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| 17:16.12 | amicrawler | can any body help me on my hardware for wifi driver and bluetooth |
| 17:16.17 | tobiasBora | somiaj: I would like to try what does debian's KDE version looks like, to check if my wifi card is supported ... |
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| 17:16.55 | tobiasBora | somiaj: But I could also use it to recover a system if needed... |
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| 17:16.59 | somiaj | tobiasBora: To use the live image you'll have to boot in legacy mode. To use your wifi card, you may have to get a copy of the 'non-free' image, because the most common issues with wifi cards in debian is having to take the extra step to install the non-free firmware |
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| 17:17.20 | somiaj | tobiasBora: but if you are going to use efi boot, you wont' be able to use the live image as a recovery option (you'll just have to use the offical installer which supports efi) |
| 17:17.25 | amicrawler | idid that |
| 17:17.28 | momomo | mtn, it's hard to find extensions sometimes |
| 17:17.43 | mtn | momomo, sure is :) |
| 17:17.46 | somiaj | tobiasBora: if you let me know what wifi card you have (chipset) I can let you nkow if it is supported. |
| 17:17.54 | momomo | i just ran into pixel saver through comments on another one |
| 17:17.56 | amicrawler | where do i get the non-free |
| 17:18.00 | shomon | hi, I'm trying to figure out why on my computer I have 2 IPs: one for the eth0 connection, the other for wlan, but other computers can only see the one on eth0.. why would this be? |
| 17:18.01 | mtn | momomo, I find a google search sometimes helps me identify which one I want |
| 17:18.02 | tobiasBora | somiaj: somsfd |
| 17:18.08 | momomo | seems to solve one line containing maximime buttons |
| 17:18.18 | somiaj | amicrawler: what wifi card do you have? |
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| 17:18.46 | amicrawler | Atheros |
| 17:19.01 | amicrawler | in a lenoa g50 amd a8 |
| 17:19.11 | amicrawler | card has ac |
| 17:19.23 | amicrawler | works fine under widows |
| 17:19.33 | amicrawler | sorry winblowz |
| 17:19.35 | amicrawler | lol |
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| 17:20.23 | amicrawler | Qualcomm Atheros Device 0041 (rev 20) |
| 17:20.31 | amicrawler | that is what the shell said |
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| 17:20.41 | tobiasBora | somiaj: It's not always possible to boot in Legacy mode... And if I install it in Legacy, will debian boot in Legacy ? And if I download the non-free image if will work without needing a wifi connection ? |
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| 17:21.32 | greycat | For an EFI install you would have to use an actual installer instead of a live image. |
| 17:22.38 | somiaj | tobiasBora: correct, the only way to get efi boot in debian is to use the offical installer. The live images won't be able to install for efi boot and won't be able to recover an efi system. |
| 17:22.43 | amicrawler | yes my biso is efi |
| 17:23.00 | somiaj | amicrawler: Atheros cards usully don't need any additional firmware. What isn't working about your wifi? |
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| 17:23.16 | amicrawler | does not show up |
| 17:23.19 | somiaj | amicrawler: that shouldn't matter if you have debian installed in efi from the offical installer. |
| 17:23.20 | amicrawler | in the gui |
| 17:23.43 | amicrawler | i dl a live boot from the deb server |
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| 17:23.48 | amicrawler | deb 9 |
| 17:23.54 | amicrawler | or is it 8 |
| 17:23.57 | tobiasBora | somiaj: Ok... And to install it with a non supported wifi card, how should I do ? |
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| 17:25.08 | somiaj | tobiasBora: there is a difference between non-supported and requring non-free firmware. Debian provides support and the non-free firmware. |
| 17:25.32 | somiaj | tobiasBora: I didn't catch what card you have, but provided your card is supported by linux and isn't extreamly new, debian provides a firmware installer |
| 17:25.35 | mener | HELLO. Im on a laptop and i upgraded to debian testing. Now i have to open/close/open the lid for the screen to have something. Otherwise the screen is off. In stable this didint happen. |
| 17:25.37 | somiaj | !tell tobiasBora about firmware images |
| 17:25.41 | amicrawler | will it modprobe it |
| 17:25.46 | mener | why is it? |
| 17:25.51 | amicrawler | i came from ubunut |
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| 17:26.10 | amicrawler | dont see the hardware gui probe |
| 17:26.20 | somiaj | tobiasBora: the bot should have sent you a link to an installer that includes the non-free firmware which saves the hassle of tracking it down if your card requires it |
| 17:26.44 | somiaj | amicrawler: at this point we'll have to get some output from you. I assume the debian install is not on the internet say thougha wired card? |
| 17:26.54 | mener | anyone please? |
| 17:27.03 | amicrawler | im on eth0 right now |
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| 17:27.57 | amicrawler | does ifconfig not work in deb ? |
| 17:28.05 | zykotick9 | mener: "welcome to testing" ;) you might have more success in #debian-next of OFTC |
| 17:28.14 | markybob | amicrawler, sure it works |
| 17:28.15 | somiaj | amicrawler: can you give us the output of 'lspci -nv' at paste.debian.net |
| 17:28.16 | abrotman | amicrawler: sure it does |
| 17:28.31 | abrotman | amicrawler: you may need to give the full path |
| 17:28.34 | mener | zykotick9: Is this only for stable? |
| 17:28.45 | zykotick9 | mener: yup. |
| 17:28.49 | amicrawler | just tried it ifconfig: command not found |
| 17:28.51 | markybob | amicrawler, by that he means /sbin/ifconfig fyi |
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| 17:29.17 | markybob | amicrawler, that's because you're doing it wrong :P use the full path like abrotman said |
| 17:29.25 | mener | zykotick9: Dont you know what the problem could be? |
| 17:29.38 | mener | Is it because of the new kernel? |
| 17:29.39 | zykotick9 | mener: i have _no_ clue myself... |
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| 17:30.07 | amicrawler | oh that other way to it |
| 17:30.16 | amicrawler | like bsd or unix way |
| 17:30.22 | mener | zykotick9: Cant join the channel you stated |
| 17:30.23 | amicrawler | ok |
| 17:30.29 | tobiasBora | somiaj: I will try, thank you. But I'm affraid my card iisn't supported at all by debian without manuall compilation (it's the case for ubuntu) |
| 17:30.39 | zykotick9 | mener: it's on OFTC, a different IRC network |
| 17:30.59 | mener | Oh. |
| 17:31.00 | mener | Ok. |
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| 17:31.51 | somiaj | tobiasBora: If it isn't supported by the linux kernel (3.16 is default in jessie, but 4.2 lives in backports), then yes you'll probably have to go though extra steps to get it working. |
| 17:31.51 | abrotman | yeha, the sane way ... |
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| 17:34.13 | amicrawler | ok sent the paste bin |
| 17:34.23 | amicrawler | have a few min before work |
| 17:36.17 | amicrawler | im deb 8.2 |
| 17:36.30 | amicrawler | x86-64 |
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| 17:39.30 | amicrawler | can any one help |
| 17:39.37 | amicrawler | i sent the paste bin |
| 17:39.48 | somiaj | You have to share the link here |
| 17:39.55 | amicrawler | oh |
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| 17:40.17 | amicrawler | http://paste.debian.net/340322/ |
| 17:40.57 | amicrawler | ok i did |
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| 17:41.44 | amicrawler | amicrawler talks to somiaj |
| 17:41.50 | amicrawler | what do you think |
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| 17:42.05 | somiaj | yea I think I asked for the wrong output, give me a second, trying to figure out which of those is your wifi card |
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| 17:42.52 | somiaj | amicrawler: care to give me the output of lspci -v as well, I don't want to figure out all those pciid's for hardware) |
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| 17:45.36 | amicrawler | http://paste.debian.net/340325/ |
| 17:45.40 | amicrawler | ok new one |
| 17:46.13 | somiaj | ,pciid 168c:0041 |
| 17:46.14 | judd | [168c:0041] is 'QCA6164 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0041 |
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| 17:47.34 | amicrawler | so there is not a fix for it yet ? |
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| 17:48.12 | cisc | for Debian 8.2, what is the systemd command for: `/etc/init.d/postgresql status`? |
| 17:48.33 | somiaj | amicrawler: I'm trying to figure that out. Seems it uses the ath10k driver and is one of the rare atheos cards that requires firmware, but not finding a defininitve answer if it is supported or not |
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| 17:50.11 | somiaj | amicrawler: dmesg | grep firmware (do you see any errors about the ath10k driver not able to load the firmware) |
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| 17:50.58 | amicrawler | dont know how to |
| 17:51.07 | amicrawler | just installed deb |
| 17:51.21 | amicrawler | came from the ubuntu world |
| 17:51.45 | somiaj | amicrawler: yea, seems your card isn't fully supported by linux yet. I'm seeing that the default jessie kernel may not have support, and unsure if support made it into 4.2 kernel. |
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| 17:52.06 | somiaj | amicrawler: did your wifi card work fine in ubuntu? The solutions I see for ubuntu required compiling an additional driver. |
| 17:52.15 | amicrawler | deb is much like bsd |
| 17:52.29 | amicrawler | no never tried |
| 17:52.41 | greycat | it's actually not much like BSD |
| 17:52.43 | amicrawler | was looking athe the wifi driver page for deb |
| 17:53.07 | amicrawler | were you can get it to find the correct driver and install |
| 17:53.46 | amicrawler | it just seams like it |
| 17:53.51 | amicrawler | manual |
| 17:54.18 | amicrawler | having to tinker with evey thing |
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| 17:54.44 | amicrawler | any ways off to work |
| 17:54.50 | greycat | For most people that's not true. It's only because you have unsupported hardware. |
| 17:54.54 | somiaj | amicrawler: It really depends on the actual hardware you have. This wifi card just is a bit new and doesn't have full support in linux yet. |
| 17:54.55 | greycat | good luck. |
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| 17:55.00 | amicrawler | thank u for yoursupport |
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| 17:55.01 | somiaj | ,v firmware-atheos |
| 17:55.02 | judd | No package named 'firmware-atheos' was found in amd64. |
| 17:55.11 | somiaj | ,v firmware-atheros |
| 17:55.12 | judd | Package: firmware-atheros on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20151018-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20151018-2; stretch/non-free: 20151018-2 |
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| 17:55.55 | somiaj | amicrawler: there is a chance (no guarntee here), that the 4.2 kernel with the firmware-atheros package from jessie-backports will support your kernel. I know there is work on the driver, but I think you need a newer than 4.0 kernel, and I am unsure if the module has been added to the main kernel or not |
| 17:56.06 | somiaj | sorry will support your wifi. |
| 17:56.23 | somiaj | but the issue is mostly just the wifi card you have. If you had a fully supported card this would have been way easier |
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| 18:24.20 | martinjungblut | where does debian mount your root partition during install? |
| 18:24.24 | martinjungblut | by default |
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| 18:24.51 | greycat | I seem to recall /target but you should check to be sure it hasn't changed. |
| 18:25.20 | distortedvoice | I have two connections set up, eth0(private ip) and eth1(public IP). I can connect through SSH on the private ip but not the public ip. |
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| 18:27.41 | greycat | Did both interfaces exist (and were up) at the time sshd started? Did you change anything in sshd_config? |
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| 18:28.04 | martinjungblut | greycat: hmm, where can I check? looked in the handbook and google, couldn't find anything |
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| 18:28.18 | distortedvoice | I have rebooted several times. I can connect if I boot up with only one hooked up |
| 18:28.26 | greycat | martinjungblut: during the install, press Alt-F2 (or Ctrl-Alt-F2) to get to a shell. |
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| 18:28.53 | distortedvoice | otherwise it is always the private that I can connect with |
| 18:29.16 | greycat | distortedvoice: does restarting sshd change anything? |
| 18:29.23 | distortedvoice | as soon as I unplug the private I can connect on public |
| 18:29.34 | greycat | *blink* |
| 18:29.35 | greycat | what |
| 18:29.48 | teraflops | distortedvoice: please provide more detailed info, apart from calling them private and public. we have no cristall ball |
| 18:30.31 | greycat | I don't even... how on earth would disconnecting the cable in eth0 change the behavior a service listening on *:22 |
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| 18:30.50 | laidback_01_ | conflicting netmasks? |
| 18:30.55 | laidback_01_ | having the same IP on both nics ? |
| 18:31.04 | teraflops | im not going to guess ... |
| 18:31.11 | greycat | Hmm. Or a completely fucked up routing table. |
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| 18:31.44 | teraflops | !ask |
| 18:31.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:32.47 | martinjungblut | from the live CD, how can I start the installer? |
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| 18:33.19 | martinjungblut | got it |
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| 18:39.11 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: which of the two supplied methods are you using? the best way is from the boot menu |
| 18:39.59 | SynrGy | there are potential issues for anything but the most straightforward install scenarios if you chose the installer launcher from the live system itself |
| 18:40.00 | PaulE | Greetings all! I am attempting to install debian 8.2 using the netinst iso on VMWare workstation, using the expert GUI installer. When I get to the Select and install software step, I select the Debian desktop environment, GNOME, print server, and standard system utilities and get a message that the Select and install software step has failed. Is there a way I can see additional information? (i.e. syslog?) |
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| 18:40.55 | greycat | Ctrl-Alt-F4 gives you a log, and Ctrl-Alt-F2 gives a (rather limited) shell. |
| 18:41.00 | PaulE | I thought maybe something like left alt + f4 would switch to a console, but no such luck. |
| 18:41.35 | PaulE | eek. I was missing ctrl :) thanks. |
| 18:41.54 | greycat | Alt-F4 should also work. Maybe VMware is intercepting it or something. |
| 18:42.02 | PaulE | 404 errors on the repository. Yeah, might be vmware |
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| 18:44.04 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: yeah, I can't really do that since the debian installer doesn't support full-disc encryption |
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| 18:44.24 | PaulE | looks like ftp.utexas.edu is missing xz-utils_5.1.1alpha+20120614-2+b3_amd64.deb. Is that a typical error? |
| 18:44.34 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: hope it goes well for you, then |
| 18:44.48 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: and thanks for reminding me there are some valid use cases ... |
| 18:44.55 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: let me know how it goes. |
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| 18:45.14 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: i need to evaluate if it's worth keeping the launcher, with all of the issues it causes :/ |
| 18:45.16 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: will do, thanks for your help! |
| 18:45.30 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: what do you maintain? the installer? |
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| 18:46.16 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: bits of debian-live, have done work mostly on live-manual, some on debian-installer-launcher (the launcher component) and more recently, starting work on live-images (the scripts used to build the official images) |
| 18:46.23 | laidback_01_ | PaulE, see if you can ping google or whatever from the command line |
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| 18:46.59 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: I just used debian-installer-launcher and it was very useful, I did the whole installation there, and now I dropped back to the live environment to finish things up |
| 18:47.03 | laidback_01_ | if not, you will have to revisit your network setup in VmWare and the Debian install... something isn't meshing |
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| 18:47.30 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: ok. the next thing that usually happens is grub is rendered unusable after that. if you're one of the lucky ones, it isn't. |
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| 18:47.37 | PaulE | laidback_01_: I verified on the distro site that it's not there: http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/pool/main/x/xz-utils/ |
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| 18:47.54 | PaulE | laidback_01_: but yes, I can ping external sites. |
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| 18:48.08 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: i'm not saying in all cases. just the degenerate ones |
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| 18:48.53 | laidback_01_ | PaulE, hmm, well I don't use Gnome, sorry. Didn't run into that problem installing the xfce environment. way it goes. |
| 18:49.03 | laidback_01_ | er... lxde |
| 18:49.06 | laidback_01_ | heh |
| 18:49.12 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: grub couldn't be installed, so I chrooted into my target system and am installing it manually, as well as configuring it in order to boot the encrypted partition |
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| 18:49.42 | PaulE | laidback_01_: I actually tried first with xfce, thought that might be the issue. :) |
| 18:49.44 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: so it did fail? yay :p |
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| 18:50.09 | Thrae|pc | Sorry had to log out for a second. So, systemd with MySQL? |
| 18:50.18 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: it did :P |
| 18:50.30 | greycat | Thrae|pc: it's an extremely popular package. It ought to work. What error are you getting? |
| 18:50.32 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: given how craptastic this is, i'm surprised there's no bug. feel free to file one on debian-installer-launcher |
| 18:50.45 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: or else file an installation-report |
| 18:51.01 | SynrGy | (those aren't mutually exclusive choices) |
| 18:51.03 | Thrae|pc | greycat: Failed to open socket. What's odd is that there is no mysql.service anywhere. Isn't that required? |
| 18:51.03 | PaulE | laidback_01_: I killed the disk and am trying again with the default repo. |
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| 18:51.32 | greycat | Thrae|pc: if the package was not FULLY migrated to systemd then it will probably just use a traditional init.d script through systemd's sysvinit emulation layer. |
| 18:51.44 | greycat | Thrae|pc: lots of jessie packages are not fully converted. |
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| 18:53.02 | Thrae|pc | greycat, Ah, do I not use systemctl to start/stop a package using the emulation layer? Sorry this is my first experience with systemd. I'm migrating from a VPS running Wheezy to AWS running Jessie. |
| 18:53.14 | greycat | Can you find out *which* socket it wants to open that's not working? Is it unix domain or TCP? |
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| 18:53.30 | greycat | Thrae|pc: you can use systemctl or /etc/init.d/foo or "service" or whatever you want. |
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| 18:55.03 | PaulE | It's odd to me that http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/pool/main/x/xz-utils/ is different from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xz-utils/ |
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| 18:55.34 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: regarding your use case, please define "full disc" |
| 18:55.40 | cluelessperson | hi all, I'm trying to do this, but it doesn't seem to work? |
| 18:55.50 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: i'm told the installer does support encryption ... |
| 18:55.57 | cluelessperson | sshpass -p MYPASSWORD scp -r zac zuser@host.com:/home/user/zac |
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| 18:56.15 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: the only part you can't encrypt is /boot |
| 18:56.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | sshpass :'( |
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| 18:56.29 | greycat | I'm afraid to ask what that is.... |
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| 18:56.46 | zellio | post install scripts on a package, can I skip them or do I have to re-package the thing |
| 18:56.46 | greycat | If the given sample usage is representative, it's terrifying. |
| 18:56.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | you've never used sshpass? i only know about it from playing with ansible. |
| 18:56.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | and indeed, it is terrifying. |
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| 18:57.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: without further commenting on your approach, i submit that you might want to look into using key-based authentication for your ssh connection. |
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| 18:59.23 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, well, unfortunately, I need to be able to remotely access this server from memory |
| 18:59.34 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, So I use a sentence. :D |
| 19:00.22 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, My password scheme is MASTER_PASSPHRASE -> RANDOM_ALPHANUMERIC(16/32/64) for everything else. |
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| 19:00.46 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: let me put it this way. i'm still inclined to remove support for the installer launcher, given how buggy it is, and am not convinced your use case is a valid reason to keep it, given i'm told the regular installer supports encryption. filing a bug is the best way to formally communicate your requirements, possibly rescuing the feature from the axe. or at the very least going on record that g |
| 19:00.52 | SynrGy | rub is broken. |
| 19:01.04 | SynrGy | sorry, bad line splitting "grub is broken" (by the launcher) |
| 19:01.05 | Thrae|pc | greycat: Ah, nevermind, I was looking at syslog for errors but I had it set to log to error.log. Now I see the configuration error, which is my fault. |
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| 19:02.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: by using sshpass that way, you're littering your computer with plaintext copies of your password. |
| 19:02.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: for example, in the command history. |
| 19:03.03 | greycat | Let me guess. His justification is going to be "But but but but this is a transient instance of a (docker|vmware|some other vm) container thing that I don't actually care about" |
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| 19:03.29 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, greycat How am I supposed to utilize SSH keys across 8000+ machines ? |
| 19:03.32 | greycat | And when asked why he can't just do key auth in his transient VM thingy, he will sputter some other rationale about how hard it would be to change something. |
| 19:03.44 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: the installer does support encryption, but I don't think you can encrypt the whole system using only the installer |
| 19:03.45 | greycat | Ah, I guessed wrong. |
| 19:03.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: please read the section in `man sshpass` titled "security considerations". |
| 19:04.06 | cluelessperson | greycat, At home, I use Passphrase because I need to HUMANLY access it, from ANYWHERE |
| 19:04.07 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: and using keys, not passwords, for unencrypting |
| 19:04.09 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: that's not what i've been told. "everything except /boot" |
| 19:04.14 | greycat | cluelessperson: the obvious answer would be that you install your key on the target system while you are installing the system. |
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| 19:04.23 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: Debian Installation Guide should have details |
| 19:04.26 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: I do need to encrypt /boot |
| 19:04.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: there are alternatives to the -p MYPASSWORD approach that at least mitigate some [but not all] of the downsides of sshpass. |
| 19:04.40 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: I need to encrypt everything |
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| 19:04.49 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, can you recommend them? |
| 19:05.02 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: how is that useful? don't you have a key in the cabinet issue? |
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| 19:05.13 | markybob | martinjungblut, what kind of secrets are you hiding in /boot? |
| 19:05.14 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, I typically use SSHPASS at work, where I randomize my password daily anyway, because of sshpass |
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| 19:05.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: the man page details them. -f FILENAME, -d NUMBER, -e. |
| 19:05.48 | martinjungblut | the point is, since /boot is encrypted, people can't mount it from a live CD, for instance |
| 19:05.49 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, greycat I want to use an SSH key, how do I access it from a friend's house? |
| 19:05.54 | greycat | Why the fuck are you randomizing your password daily instead of just using keys? |
| 19:06.06 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: the proper way to support this is through a feature request on d-i, not doing an end run around d-i by using a deprecated install method from the live image |
| 19:06.06 | le_pig | lolwut |
| 19:06.18 | cluelessperson | greycat, How do you easily handle ssh keys across 8000+ machines? |
| 19:06.24 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: it has taken an enormous amount of energy to maintain, with very little benefit to end users |
| 19:06.32 | greycat | I would install the public key ON the target system during install. As I said. |
| 19:06.37 | cluelessperson | greycat, easier to just do LDAP and sync down to head ends/nodes. |
| 19:06.45 | greycat | How do people like this get put in charge of 8000 boxes... |
| 19:06.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | how do you easily handle randomizing your password daily across 8000+ machines? |
| 19:06.47 | cluelessperson | greycat, For every user? |
| 19:06.53 | greycat | cluelessperson: FOR YOU |
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| 19:06.55 | greycat | Why the fuck... |
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| 19:07.04 | markybob | there's a lot of that going around today |
| 19:07.24 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, Having LDAP sync my password changes down the line. |
| 19:07.36 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: I don't think I see want you'd like me to do |
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| 19:07.46 | cluelessperson | Master_LDAP -> Node_Head -> Nodes |
| 19:07.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: while using sshpass is generally considered "a terrible idea", i'm not here to convert you. at the very least, though, you should never, ever, use sshpass -p unless you really, really, REALLY know what you're doing. |
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| 19:08.27 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: I can file a bug report, but right now I need this working, and since the installer doesn't support it, I'll go through a workaround at the moment |
| 19:08.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | that being said, you really ought to read up on key-based ssh authentication when you have some free time. |
| 19:08.42 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: you can do whatever you like. i'm telling you in all likelihood the way you did it will be removed in a future release. |
| 19:08.53 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, I asked for a viable alternative. I'm not sure how to sync my key files down 8000+ machines, and I don't dictate our arch hers |
| 19:09.02 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: i remain unconvinced it's important to continue supporting. |
| 19:09.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: any of the other mechanisms provided by sshpass are viable alternatives, as i said. the man page details them. |
| 19:09.27 | greycat | cluelessperson: "sync" implies some sort of changing key file. It's a one-time setup. |
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| 19:09.41 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: yeah, are you mad? because I'm not trying to get you upset, just talking about what I need to do at the moment |
| 19:09.43 | SynrGy | martinjungblut: in any case, happy you managed to accomplish your goals today |
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| 19:09.51 | greycat | Unless you're going to revert back to the "it's a transient instance" stance on me. |
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| 19:09.52 | SynrGy | nope. completely calm |
| 19:09.55 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: thanks |
| 19:10.01 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, Yes, but repeatedly setting up an identity file over and over on various machines is annoying. Easier to just change passwords constantly. |
| 19:10.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | as far as using keys instead of sshpass, i don't have intimate knowledge of your organization, and therefore cannot comment on what approach to key management works. |
| 19:10.12 | greycat | cluelessperson: Why would it be "repeated"? |
| 19:10.31 | martinjungblut | SynrGy: I can always use debootstrap |
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| 19:11.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: using sshpass -f instead of sshpass -p does not introduce any new requirement to repeatedly set up an identity file on various machines. i don't know what you're talking about. |
| 19:11.04 | Aebian | someone familiar with Quod Libet? If I double click on a mp3 file its not getting opened with the App =( already did "which quodlibet" and set the default program for mp3s to the output which is: /usr/bin/quodlibet |
| 19:12.39 | cluelessperson | greycat, SSH pass takes either an environment variable, identity file, or password. It's difficult to maintain identity files across 8000+ machines. It's easiest for me to just use a password and change it after. |
| 19:12.41 | greycat | Aebian: sounds like an issue with your desktop environment or file manager utility. |
| 19:13.20 | Aebian | greycat: I have nemo and Nautilus installed but tried to open the file in Nemo. I'll check |
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| 19:13.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: are you running the sshpass command from an interactive terminal? |
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| 19:13.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | or is it run from a script, cron job, etc? |
| 19:14.21 | Aebian | greycat: nope nothing is getting played |
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| 19:15.36 | Aebian | greycat: btw if there is any problem if I unisntall Nautilus? ^^ |
| 19:15.40 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, typically interactive, but sometimes I have to script. |
| 19:15.41 | Aebian | *is |
| 19:16.02 | greycat | Aebian: I don't know anything about your desktop or your file manager program. But you need to specify which one it is so someone else can help, who does know it. |
| 19:16.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: then you already have to update the password. |
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| 19:16.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | either on your command line or in your script. |
| 19:16.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | by using -f instead of -p, you wouldn't have to update your command line or your script. |
| 19:16.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | you'd only need to update your password file. |
| 19:16.53 | Aebian | greycat: I'm using Cinnamon |
| 19:16.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | in the end, the level of effort is the same, but security is increased significantly. |
| 19:16.59 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: I think we're up to the part where we suggest they put keys in place and they make up some rationale about how hard it would be to change something. (Corporate policy, who knows.) |
| 19:17.05 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, on all those machines? |
| 19:17.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: what machines? |
| 19:17.12 | wobel | das kleine arschloch ist blos ein obermeier |
| 19:17.19 | wobel | von dem ihr immer lacht |
| 19:17.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | you're using sshpass on 8000+ machines to connect to one single machine? |
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| 19:17.36 | greycat | I still don't know how people who don't know about ssh keys get put in charge of 8 fucking thousand machines. |
| 19:17.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | or are you using sshpass on one single machine to connect to 8000+ machines? |
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| 19:18.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | if the former, your job makes no sense. |
| 19:18.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | if the latter, i don't see how my suggestion isn't applicable. |
| 19:18.30 | greycat | !de |
| 19:18.30 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 19:18.33 | cluelessperson | greycat, I know about ssh keys, I've used them in the past at home, problem is, WORK (which I came INTO AFTER) doesn't use SSH keys and there's no easy way to set it up now. At HOME I need to be able to HUMANLY, MANUALLY remote in as needed. |
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| 19:18.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | so you have "all those machines" at home? |
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| 19:19.04 | greycat | cluelessperson: you're already scripting mass jobs to every node. Just script one job to set up the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on each system. Done. |
| 19:19.19 | cluelessperson | greycat, so apart from PBK2DF deriving a key from my passphrase, I'm sure how I'm supposed to humanly remember a ssh key. |
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| 19:19.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | you can have a copy of the ssh key at home. |
| 19:19.45 | greycat | The same way you remember a randomized-every-24-hours password. |
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| 19:19.59 | greycat | (I.e. you don't.) |
| 19:20.01 | cluelessperson | greycat, I don't remember, I use a password manager. lol |
| 19:20.05 | greycat | There you go. |
| 19:20.30 | cluelessperson | greycat, So what's the mechanism for handing down SSH keys to all the machines? |
| 19:20.38 | greycat | ONE. TIME. |
| 19:20.39 | cluelessperson | We use LDAP syncronization. |
| 19:20.45 | greycat | ONE. FUCKING. TIME. And it is DONE. |
| 19:20.49 | greycat | There is no synchronization. |
| 19:20.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | sheds a single lonely tear |
| 19:21.01 | greycat | cluelessperson: you're already scripting mass jobs to every node. Just script one job to set up the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on each system. Done. |
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| 19:21.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | gave up hope on the key-based approach before he even got involved in this discussion |
| 19:21.39 | greycat | Yeah. This is all deja vu. |
| 19:21.46 | greycat | They never learn. They are incapable of learning. |
| 19:21.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've never managed to convert someone from sshpass to keys. |
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| 19:22.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | consequently, my goal is simply to limit the damage of using sshpass. |
| 19:22.11 | cluelessperson | greycat, So removing access for individual users? Maintain LDAP AND SSH keys? |
| 19:22.26 | greycat | Usually when we see this in #bash it's someone trying to use expect. Or similar. |
| 19:22.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | ssh keys don't require maintenance. |
| 19:22.33 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, I'm listening, I'm just not the one that gets to dictate what our company does. |
| 19:22.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | cluelessperson: i already told you. use sshpass with _anything_ other than -p. |
| 19:23.14 | greycat | cluelessperson: you don't give your key to other users. Only YOU use it. |
| 19:23.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | changing the password in a file is no harder than changing the password on the command line. |
| 19:23.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | and is _considerably_ more secure. |
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| 19:23.36 | greycat | cluelessperson: if your successor wants to nuke your key from the authorized_keys on every node after you leave, that's his problem, not yours. |
| 19:23.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | (that being said, it's still not a good idea to use sshpass, but imho arguing this point is unlikely to yield any meaningful results, based on past experience) |
| 19:24.02 | distortedvoice | https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Two_Default_Gateways_on_One_System |
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| 19:24.14 | distortedvoice | I have followed that guide to get two connections setup on my odroid |
| 19:24.39 | distortedvoice | i can't connect through eth1 though. |
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| 19:25.21 | greycat | 13:31 greycat> Hmm. Or a completely fucked up routing table. |
| 19:25.27 | greycat | wins! o/ |
| 19:26.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | for now, sshpass -f. then, when you have time, stop using sshpass and start using keys instead. there _is_ a way, and a skilled admin will figure out a good one. |
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| 19:27.59 | bittin | going to the US on Monday :p |
| 19:28.18 | cluelessperson | greycat, NoImNotNineVolt Funny thing. If I can present a viable migration plan to get SSH keys in place, I can probably push for that. |
| 19:28.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | i highly recommend you do so. figuring out the migration plan is beyond the scope of what i'm here for, though :P |
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| 19:30.34 | distortedvoice | greycat, how can I have this setup with two gateways? |
| 19:30.59 | cluelessperson | NoImNotNineVolt, greycat Sorry for being difficult. Yes, I can get SSH keys to work for ME (at work, but here I care less, as it would need to occur for everyone) at home, I'd have to have a PBKDF2 derived key from my passphrase. So I can remote in from anywhere in the world. |
| 19:31.06 | greycat | distortedvoice: Why do you think you need two gateways? |
| 19:31.28 | greycat | cluelessperson: why do you think it would have to "occur for everyone"? |
| 19:32.04 | distortedvoice | greycat, I want to be able to connect through eth0 while in the office, then connect through eth1 through the public ip also. |
| 19:32.37 | greycat | distortedvoice: by "connect" you mean receive connections on your sshd? what does ANY of that have to do with gateways and routing? |
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| 19:32.42 | cluelessperson | greycat, At work, I don't have anything that needs secured except root access, but if I'm the only person with root access, you could use any account to achieve that |
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| 19:33.13 | distortedvoice | greycat, I have been unable to connect through eth1 if eth0 is up |
| 19:33.30 | greycat | distortedvoice: WHY DID YOU FUCK WITH YOUR DEFAULT GATEWAYS *IN THE FIRST PLACE*? |
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| 19:33.58 | distortedvoice | one gateway is 192.168.1.1 and the other is public. |
| 19:34.08 | distortedvoice | I defined them in interfaces.. |
| 19:34.17 | greycat | You DO NOT NEED a default gateway to your internal (private) (192.168.1.0/24) network. |
| 19:34.24 | distortedvoice | ok |
| 19:34.34 | distortedvoice | ill just set the gateway on the external |
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| 19:38.01 | distortedvoice | greycat, I removed the gateway from eth0 and added the correct one to eth1 and now I cannot connect on either. |
| 19:38.11 | distortedvoice | oh wait nvm |
| 19:38.18 | distortedvoice | eth0 works |
| 19:38.59 | distortedvoice | greycat, ssh: connect to host 216.50.*.* port 22: No route to host |
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| 19:39.42 | greycat | Start *on* the Debian system. Make sure you can ping (and get responses back from) internal machines. Then make sure you can ping an external machine. |
| 19:40.22 | greycat | Only once that's working should you attempt incoming TCP connections (such as ssh). |
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| 19:41.04 | distortedvoice | greycat, I see. |
| 19:41.17 | distortedvoice | greycat, I can ping internally but not google.com |
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| 19:42.21 | greycat | What happens when you try? Does the name resolution work? Does it hang with no output? Is there an error? |
| 19:43.01 | distortedvoice | hangs with no output |
| 19:43.32 | greycat | What does the first line of output say? |
| 19:44.12 | distortedvoice | I can't even reach the gateway. Destination host unreachable |
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| 19:45.00 | greycat | What are the IP and netmask of your external interface, and what default gateway did you set, and WHY are you manually setting a default gateway instead of getting one from a DHCP server? |
| 19:45.35 | distortedvoice | the 216.50.*.1 doesn't have DHCP |
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| 19:48.26 | distortedvoice | greycat, Ok, I can now ping both but I can't connect from another pc to the external ip |
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| 19:49.00 | greycat | Can an external box ping your Debian machine? |
| 19:49.25 | distortedvoice | lemme hop on my vps |
| 19:49.51 | greycat | (where were you testing ssh from...?) |
| 19:50.41 | distortedvoice | I can ping the machine from my vps but ssh is refused |
| 19:50.56 | greycat | That *could* be a firewall. |
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| 19:51.24 | greycat | Have you restarted sshd since we did all this playing around with interfaces and routing? That might be wise. |
| 19:52.48 | distortedvoice | I have been able to connect when the private is not plugged in |
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| 19:53.57 | greycat | Do not unplug anything. Do not change any configurations of interfaces, gateways, etc. If you can ping in both directions, LEAVE IT ALONE. Restart sshd. See if you can connect to it. |
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| 19:59.10 | z00kov | Hi all. I'm looking for an engine to index a lot of files and to search into them (via a web interface with internal dev). need to index/search html,txt,pdf,docx and potentially archives (zip/rar/tar). thx all :) |
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| 20:00.13 | teraflops | z00kov: alfresco, docmgr etc etc? |
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| 20:00.55 | teraflops | google document management system? |
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| 20:01.47 | z00kov | something like that |
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| 20:01.53 | z00kov | old "google desktop" like :) |
| 20:02.02 | z00kov | or same like system of wikileaks |
| 20:02.21 | teraflops | i meant just google "document management system" |
| 20:02.31 | z00kov | hum |
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| 20:03.36 | z00kov | you mean gdrive? ^o) |
| 20:03.46 | teraflops | no :( |
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| 20:04.09 | distortedvoice | greycat, I can't |
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| 20:04.34 | greycat | distortedvoice: did you play with iptables *at all*? If so, get rid of that for now. |
| 20:04.45 | threexk | hello. What's the difference between "jessie", "jessie/updates", and "jessie-updates"? |
| 20:04.49 | z00kov | so i don't understand what you mean with g dms lol, except with gdrive google don't have any project like this |
| 20:04.49 | greycat | If you did ANYTHING unusual at all, get rid of it. |
| 20:04.53 | teraflops | i meant: open your web browser, point it to google.com or whatever search engine, write in it document management system and press enter :) |
| 20:05.02 | z00kov | lol |
| 20:05.05 | z00kov | okok |
| 20:05.11 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:05.34 | z00kov | i need an internal solution, not connected to internet, in a limited network, just to perform search into documents |
| 20:05.41 | teraflops | z00kov: srry my english is rubbish |
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| 20:05.48 | greycat | z00kov: xapian? |
| 20:05.51 | z00kov | like mine :) |
| 20:06.01 | z00kov | xapian is limited with file format :/ |
| 20:06.07 | teraflops | z00kov: as I said alfresco, docmrg, etc. |
| 20:06.21 | z00kov | ok, i'll check, thx for info teraflops |
| 20:06.25 | teraflops | z00kov: np |
| 20:06.44 | z00kov | alfresco is GPL ? |
| 20:07.01 | greycat | !tell threexk about jessie-updates |
| 20:07.36 | teraflops | z00kov: idk, i just use docmgr |
| 20:08.01 | threexk | greycat: thanks! So I want to have jessie/updates for security updates in my sources.list, it seems. |
| 20:08.16 | greycat | !tell threexk about jessie sources.list |
| 20:08.33 | distortedvoice | greycat, I removed my routing table I added. |
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| 20:10.03 | threexk | greycat: thanks again |
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| 20:11.24 | kolbe | what's the "right way" in Debian 8 to persist changes to iptables rules? |
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| 20:16.13 | wallbroken | in which packet is there WM manager? |
| 20:16.43 | greycat | !wm |
| 20:16.43 | dpkg | A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
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| 20:17.45 | wallbroken | it could be "GDM" ? |
| 20:17.53 | greycat | That is a display manager. |
| 20:18.07 | greycat | gdm3 is popular in jessie. |
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| 20:19.51 | wallbroken | just because i installed mate |
| 20:20.00 | wallbroken | but i don't know how to start it |
| 20:20.05 | wallbroken | i have made mate-session |
| 20:20.11 | wallbroken | but i get error diplay |
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| 20:20.48 | cmyers | hey guys, I am trying to install debian testing via the text installer with encrypted LVM on a UEFI system (system76 oryx pro). I get to the grub boot loader step and installation fails - pretty sure it is UEFI related. thoughts? |
| 20:21.59 | greycat | wallbroken: typically, if you're on a Linux text console (tty1 etc.) you would type "startx" |
| 20:22.18 | wallbroken | startx will start lxde |
| 20:23.01 | teraflops | wallbroken: then tell update-alternatives to pick mate? |
| 20:23.22 | wallbroken | let me try |
| 20:24.23 | babilen | kolbe: iptables-persistent comes to mind |
| 20:24.37 | kolbe | babilen: ok, i'll go with that. thanks! |
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| 20:26.27 | Thrae|pc | cmyers: All I can think is if Secure Boot is disabled or not, or the Platform Keys added. |
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| 20:26.49 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:27.17 | Azrael_- | what is the proper way to remove an ip-alias from an interface without rebooting? |
| 20:27.21 | cmyers | it let me boot off the install disk and reformat the hardrive and everything, and it came with ubuntu pre-installed and that was working fine |
| 20:27.35 | greycat | Azrael_-: edit /etc/network/interfaces and use the appropriate ifdown or whatever |
| 20:27.57 | Azrael_- | greycat: so e.g. "ifdown eth0:5"? |
| 20:28.25 | Thrae|pc | cmyers: Ubuntu has a signed shim it uses but I'm not sure about Debian. |
| 20:28.29 | greycat | Azrael_-: worth a try |
| 20:28.33 | Azrael_- | thanks |
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| 20:30.50 | Azrael_- | greycat: Ignoring unknown interface eth0:9=eth0:9. |
| 20:30.54 | Azrael_- | any more ideas? |
| 20:31.14 | greycat | why did it write it twice with an = in the middle? |
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| 20:33.21 | Azrael_- | i have no clue |
| 20:33.27 | teraflops | Azrael_-: /sbin/ifconfig eth0:9 down? |
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| 20:34.27 | Azrael_- | ok, worked |
| 20:34.34 | Azrael_- | trange |
| 20:34.36 | Azrael_- | strange |
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| 20:35.22 | Azrael_- | thanks |
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| 20:36.00 | teraflops | np |
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| 20:42.00 | droids___ | I'm doing a preseed install (in vmware) but something odd is happening. Switching to the troubleshooting? console I can ping the gateway and even google. But I'm unable to ping the http server that has the preseed file. The server is there as I can ping it from the host and wget the file. |
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| 20:43.23 | droids___ | Any suggestion on how to troubleshoot this? Busybox is a limited and I'm not knowledgeable on ip or route. |
| 20:43.43 | droids___ | I'm a bit clueless on what to look for. |
| 20:44.07 | rattking | is the vm on a different network then the webserver? it sounds like it is |
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| 21:00.19 | droids___ | rattking: no. The guest IP is 192.168.250.129 The webserver is at 192.168.250.1 |
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| 21:12.41 | skaboomatude | (noob) has anyone gotten spotify to work on debian |
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| 21:13.38 | jhutchins | skaboomatude: Don't they have a web interface? |
| 21:14.09 | skaboomatude | I think you need the app |
| 21:14.59 | skaboomatude | when I run it , it just flashes and disappears |
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| 21:16.40 | greycat | skaboomatude: run it from a shell, and see if it says anything on stdout/stderr |
| 21:16.44 | Brigo | you can use Mopidy or winetricks |
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| 21:20.58 | skaboomatude | ok will try - thank you |
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| 21:23.41 | teraflops | skaboomatude: mopidy just works, it crashes for me from time to time, also you'll need a premium account |
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| 21:25.21 | at0m|c | that doesnt read like "just works" |
| 21:25.41 | greycat | That's what a Windows person calls "just works". |
| 21:25.49 | at0m|c | ;) |
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| 21:26.29 | at0m|c | both mpd and mopidy got support channels here |
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| 21:26.38 | at0m|c | great experience with #mpd |
| 21:27.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | is that anything like mdp? |
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| 21:31.41 | jelly | droids___: it doesn't actually matter whether you can ping it or not, what matters is accessing the web service. What kind of networking do you have set up in vmware guest? which particular vmware product are you using? |
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| 21:46.20 | droids___ | jelly: I'm using VMware Workstation 9. In terms of networking I'm using NAT. |
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| 21:52.47 | jelly | droids___: and where's the 192.168.250.1 machine? |
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| 21:54.13 | jelly | it probably needs to be in the same (virtual) network segment as the guest on .129 |
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| 21:55.46 | tobiasBora | A little question : I have a llvm partition with sub partitions in it. Can I resize it like without breaking the inside partitions or not ? |
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| 21:57.39 | cmyers | [reasking] hey guys, I am trying to install debian testing via the text installer with encrypted LVM on a UEFI system (system76 oryx pro). I get to the grub boot loader step and installation fails - pretty sure it is UEFI related. thoughts? |
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| 22:14.50 | wallbroken | why lxde includes openbox WM ? |
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| 22:20.24 | winem_ | good evening. can anyone take a quick look and let me know if http://www.sj-vs.net/creating-a-simple-debian-deb-package-based-on-a-directory-structure/ is complete and sufficient? I want to create a debian-package with default configuration files. those files are stored in /etc/program_xxx/, /etc/default and /etc/init.d |
| 22:21.21 | winem_ | building the package accordingly to the guide in the link works fine, but the deb does not contain any file except for those in the /DEBIAN/ direcotry |
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| 22:24.11 | MTeck | When is Debian 9 supposed to freeze? |
| 22:24.32 | greycat | hahahaha |
| 22:24.53 | MTeck | Found it! :D https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 22:26.24 | MTeck | greycat: I was funny? :D |
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| 22:27.04 | greycat | Oh. Wow. Some fool actually prophesied a date?! |
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| 22:29.24 | MTeck | greycat: it's easy enough to put down an expected freeze date. It doesn't really have anything to do with an actual release. I'm sure the freeze date will get pushed back too, but I have a project at the moment that depends on the freeze not happening. |
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| 22:39.44 | kminor | Hey guys, I need a little help with postfix hardening |
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| 22:40.20 | Aebian | kminor: try the #postfix channel |
| 22:40.24 | kminor | I'm running Debian, ISPConfig2, with Postfix, Courier, & RoundCube webmail... somehow spammers are getting around my iptables autoban |
| 22:40.42 | kminor | Aebian: Will do |
| 22:42.31 | kminor | Aebian, Nobody talks in #postfix lol |
| 22:42.54 | kminor | You #debian guys seem to be the only helpful bunch I can find most of the time |
| 22:43.18 | Aebian | kminor: hmm well then hopefully someone with more postfix knowledge then I have will help you :D |
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| 22:46.34 | AvatarA | offtopic: I don't even keep the daemons for local mail :] |
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| 22:53.55 | cluelessperson | when I do ifup eth0 I get the error, "File exists" |
| 22:54.13 | cluelessperson | google says don't double define gateway, but I'm not, it's 192.168.2.1 |
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| 22:58.34 | cluelessperson | okay, turns out it required flushing after the failed firmware before |
| 22:58.47 | cluelessperson | now it has an ip, link is up, |
| 22:58.51 | cluelessperson | but can't ping |
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| 23:27.22 | Somelauw | Hello, I seem not to have a program notify-send installed. Are notifications managed in a different way in modern debians? |
| 23:28.12 | kminor | What are u using? wheezy/jessie? |
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| 23:29.54 | Somelauw | jessie |
| 23:30.05 | Somelauw | kminor: jessie installed with lxde |
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| 23:33.00 | Somelauw | I don't even have libnotify-bin installed. Still applications somehow seem to figure out how to send me one one. Maybe they use the library and libnotify-bin is only useful in bash scripts. |
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| 23:33.30 | Somelauw | okay, solved |
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| 23:40.01 | filadome_ | my real name is jesse |
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| 23:49.17 | distortedvoice | what is the package that automatically adds a banner on ssh login? |
| 23:49.28 | distortedvoice | with a cool logo of your distro etc |
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| 23:53.10 | at0m|c | distortedvoice: there is no specific package. man sshd_config |
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| 23:53.41 | distortedvoice | at0m|c, I remember there was a package or script that configured it |
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| 23:54.36 | PryMar56 | message of the day .motd? |
| 23:55.36 | PryMar56 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:56.51 | distortedvoice | PryMar56, FIGLET! |
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| 23:57.54 | distortedvoice | at0m|c, PryMar56, this was what I was talking about |
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