| 00:00.30 | fishbulb | I'm used to normal linux commands and it slows everything down if I HAVE to use all different ones |
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| 00:01.06 | axc1298 | fishbulb: use visudo |
| 00:01.11 | mutante | fishbulb: visudo is the command to edit the sudo rules |
| 00:01.12 | mutante | you still use sudo |
| 00:01.22 | fishbulb | ok thanks, how do I add my username? |
| 00:01.27 | fishbulb | user account |
| 00:02.01 | fishbulb | command not found :/ |
| 00:02.01 | mutante | fishbulb: you'll have to be root |
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| 00:03.25 | mutante | since your existing user doesn't have sudo yet... |
| 00:03.38 | mutante | chicken/egg |
| 00:03.52 | vreg | hm |
| 00:03.55 | vreg | that's going to stick with me forever now |
| 00:04.09 | vreg | Q: "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" |
| 00:04.22 | vreg | A: "well it depends, who had root?" |
| 00:04.48 | fishbulb | well chickens only hatch if the rooster "finishes" all over the egg |
| 00:05.14 | fishbulb | the rooster came first? |
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| 00:05.27 | vreg | discipline your cock, sir |
| 00:06.01 | vreg | unruly roosters |
| 00:06.01 | AlexPortable | cra1g321: i have ftp.nl.debian.org there |
| 00:06.02 | fishbulb | my cock is very disciplined, except for in the morning |
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| 00:07.03 | hdi | which bot gave information on hardware in the channel? |
| 00:07.14 | fishbulb | judd I think, hdi |
| 00:07.14 | judd | No package named 'think,' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 00:07.20 | fishbulb | um. maybe that one |
| 00:07.26 | hdi | fishbulb: thank you yes that was it |
| 00:07.40 | fishbulb | I'm not really too sure how to add my user account to the sudoers file |
| 00:07.54 | AlexPortable | fishbulb: copy the line from root |
| 00:07.59 | fishbulb | because this is the actual distro I've drifted into and will use from now on |
| 00:08.01 | AlexPortable | fishbulb: root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 00:08.03 | AlexPortable | copy it and add it below with your username |
| 00:08.17 | fishbulb | I can't visualise that |
| 00:08.22 | fishbulb | I've never had to do this before, what's the command please? |
| 00:08.39 | somiaj | fishbulb: oh debian if you want full sudo acces, 'adduser username sudo' |
| 00:09.02 | somiaj | the default sudoers file gives full privlages to anyone in the sudo group |
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| 00:09.03 | BigRedNoseCherry | I have two video cards connected.Now,How could I tell Jessie which one It should use? |
| 00:09.04 | somiaj | you'll have to logout/in for adding yourself to the group to take effect |
| 00:09.05 | fishbulb | yeah I just want to sudo (thing) with MY account instead of going into root every time |
| 00:09.56 | ozie | i have a problem at startup, a message which says "cannot find command load_video"; it may come from a conflict between grub and grub2; i removed grub and installed grub2 and update the cfg but the problem is still there (though the system boots normally afterwards) |
| 00:11.39 | fishbulb | while I'm in root, how can I change the background of the login screen? |
| 00:11.49 | fishbulb | or failing that, how do I make it plain text? |
| 00:11.50 | fishbulb | in grub |
| 00:11.56 | somiaj | ozie: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:12.12 | somiaj | fishbulb: check /etc/default/grub |
| 00:12.13 | ozie | somiaj: testing/unstable |
| 00:12.22 | somiaj | ozie: and why did you have grub1 installed, testing/unstable has been using grub 2 for a while (even jessie is using grub2) |
| 00:12.25 | ozie | somiaj: also update-grub2 is not detecting my windows partition |
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| 00:12.56 | somiaj | ozie: but it sounds like you forgot to grub-install |
| 00:12.57 | ozie | somiaj: made a mistake by installing it |
| 00:13.08 | somiaj | ozie: do you have the package os-prober installed? |
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| 00:13.16 | ozie | somiaj: nope, installing now |
| 00:14.37 | fishbulb | cd /etc/default/grub bash: cd: /etc/default/grub: Not a directory |
| 00:14.38 | somiaj | fishbulb: I don't know what the grub settings are to remove change the screen you see, but that is the file you want to edit to change grub's defaults |
| 00:14.40 | ozie | somiaj: is it update and then install or the opposite for grub? |
| 00:14.48 | somiaj | ozie: they do two different things |
| 00:14.49 | fishbulb | ok I might leave that for now, thanks |
| 00:14.51 | somiaj | ozie: all updage-grub does is change the config files using the scripts (like os-prober script to find your windows partition) |
| 00:14.59 | ozie | somiaj: how do i use the os prober? i reran update-grub2 and it's still not detecting windows 10 |
| 00:15.03 | somiaj | ozie: grub install actually puts grub on the mbr. Provided grub is on the mbr correctly, you should only need to upgrade it |
| 00:15.20 | somiaj | ozie: but since you had an issue with grub1 vs grub2, you may need to reinstall grub into the mbr as where configs are has changed (along with how grub works) |
| 00:15.20 | ozie | somiaj: yes i did install correctly on the mbr i think this part is fine, the problem should be with the config files |
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| 00:15.29 | somiaj | ozie: once that package is installed, upgrade-grub should now correctly detect your windows partition and add it to grub. |
| 00:16.09 | ozie | somiaj: update-grub or update-grub2? i have both |
| 00:17.26 | ozie | somiaj: hm i may have some leftover packages such as grub-efi-amd64-bin or grub-pc; should i remove these? |
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| 00:18.17 | fishbulb_ | dpkg: error processing package google-chrome-stable (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 00:18.17 | dpkg | fishbulb_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 00:19.18 | Patero-ng | what does /dev/nvme0n1p2 means |
| 00:19.44 | fishbulb_ | sorry I had to log out and in again |
| 00:20.00 | fishbulb_ | wait. shut up. I don't trust your kind |
| 00:20.30 | somiaj | ozie: are you using efi boot or legacy boot? |
| 00:20.40 | fishbulb | I have seen terminator more than 10 times |
| 00:20.54 | somiaj | ozie: the packages will still be called grub-something, the version is just grub 2, there is no grub2 package seperate if I recall correctly. |
| 00:20.55 | ozie | somiaj: legacy |
| 00:20.55 | somiaj | fishbulb: run apt-get -f install |
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| 00:21.03 | ozie | somiaj: there is a grub2 package |
| 00:21.04 | somiaj | ozie: then you don't want grub-efi installed you want grub-pc installed |
| 00:21.12 | fishbulb | as root? |
| 00:21.38 | fishbulb | bash: run: command not found |
| 00:21.38 | somiaj | ozie: that is just a transitional package, look at it 'apt-cache show grub2' |
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| 00:21.39 | ozie | somiaj: ok i removed this one and reinstalled grub2 and grub-pc |
| 00:21.39 | somiaj | fishbulb: yes |
| 00:21.39 | somiaj | fishbulb: 'apt-get -f install' |
| 00:21.41 | fishbulb | yeah, and this happens: bash: run: command not found |
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| 00:22.02 | ozie | somiaj: running update-grub2 still doesn't find windows 10 |
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| 00:22.21 | somiaj | ozie: it is update-grub |
| 00:22.29 | fishbulb | sudo doesn't work or something |
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| 00:22.44 | somiaj | fishbulb: the command is not 'run apt-get -f install' |
| 00:23.25 | somiaj | fishbulb: it is just 'apt-get -f install' |
| 00:23.38 | fishbulb | Ah. |
| 00:23.48 | ozie | somiaj: same thing; it only finds linux images and memtest86+ |
| 00:23.54 | somiaj | seems you typed 'run' as the command, and there is no command called run, which is the error you were given |
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| 00:24.25 | somiaj | ozie: I'm unsure what is needed if os-prober can't detect the windows partition. Usually it just works. Maybe read the docs for os-prober |
| 00:24.27 | sje46 | It's an understandable mistake "what comamnd do i use to install this?" "run apt-get -f install" |
| 00:24.34 | ozie | somiaj: can i add it manually? |
| 00:24.34 | fishbulb | can you tell me what apt-get -f install did? |
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| 00:24.52 | fishbulb | what -f install means? |
| 00:24.52 | somiaj | ozie: you don't want to edit the configs manually, but look at /etc/grub/grub.d/ |
| 00:24.55 | sje46 | fishbulb: "man apt-get" |
| 00:24.56 | somiaj | ozie: you can edit the 40_custom or 41_custom to create your own custom enteries to be added by update-grub |
| 00:24.56 | sje46 | scroll till you see the -f option |
| 00:24.57 | ozie | somiaj: i saw people adding lines to /etc/grub.d/40_custom for windows 10 |
| 00:24.57 | fishbulb | "rtfm" heh thanks |
| 00:24.57 | sje46 | fishbulb: well, no |
| 00:24.57 | sje46 | Not trying to be rude. |
| 00:25.04 | sje46 | I assume you're new to linux and didn't know about man. |
| 00:25.49 | fishbulb | I'm reasonably new but I've never used gnome before, or debian, and I am not used to having to do so much from terminal |
| 00:26.04 | sje46 | what did you use before/ |
| 00:26.12 | markybob | nor are you currently using debian. as we talked about earlier today |
| 00:26.20 | markybob | "based on debian" is not debian |
| 00:26.23 | fishbulb | first I think mageia, then opensuse 13.1 13.2, I tried manjaro, I distro hopped until debian actually detected ALL my hardware which was great |
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| 00:26.25 | donofrio | anyone here get this issue or know another channel I should go to to resolve this comcast throttling issue? http://apaste.info/GD7 |
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| 00:26.28 | fishbulb | um the weather widget, or whatever it is, I can't add the city I'm living in |
| 00:26.28 | sje46 | fishbulb: you should have used debian-based from the beginning, they are more user-friendly |
| 00:26.30 | sje46 | for beginners that is |
| 00:26.30 | mutante | donofrio: i feel for you if you have no other local providers |
| 00:26.30 | fishbulb | sje46: I think opensuse is pretty user friendly, YAST is really good, you can do everything in a gui |
| 00:26.31 | sje46 | fishbulb: anyays, do you know about man? |
| 00:26.32 | ozie | somiaj: i added manually an entry for windows 10 ( http://paste.debian.net/342743 ) but update-grub still doesn't find it http://paste.debian.net/342746 |
| 00:26.32 | fishbulb | I do now, kind of |
| 00:26.33 | sje46 | you can do /pattern<enter> to find what youre looking for more quickly |
| 00:26.34 | sje46 | press "n" to go through all the matches |
| 00:26.35 | AvatarA | weather extension won't work without API key or something |
| 00:26.36 | AvatarA | last time I used it, the site providing weather information (that the extension is using to pull data) made that a requirement |
| 00:26.37 | fishbulb | this fibre optic crap they installed as a UPS, I'm gonna graft my router into it |
| 00:26.38 | donofrio | mutante: works on my win10p (nokia635 w/tmo) when switch from wifi to lte |
| 00:26.38 | fishbulb | then I'm totally internet apocalypse ready, for like the first 13 hours |
| 00:26.42 | fishbulb | after that I'll feed myself to the zombies |
| 00:26.48 | uxfi | hey all |
| 00:26.48 | uxfi | :) |
| 00:26.48 | uxfi | what weather extension? |
| 00:26.48 | uxfi | bash command? |
| 00:26.50 | somiaj | ozie: you have something strange in your system, not sure what it suggest at this point |
| 00:26.50 | AvatarA | gnome's weather extension |
| 00:26.53 | ozie | somiaj: actually i rebooted and the windows 10 entry shows up but i got no such partiton; i tried to change the msdos with 2/3/4 which are all windows system partition but that didn't help |
| 00:26.55 | ozie | somiaj: also when i boot on linux, grub says "cannot find command load_video" or something like that; but then the system still boots normally |
| 00:26.56 | somiaj | ozie: again I am unsure what your setup is, but the fact you are talking about mixing grub2 and grub, could be you don't have the corect version of grub installed in the mbr you are booting from |
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| 00:26.58 | somiaj | if you are trying to recover from the live system, maybe you didn't have /dev, /proc, /sys mounted in the chroot of your install to get it to work |
| 00:26.58 | ozie | somiaj: i do have grub version 2 written in the grub boot menu |
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| 00:27.01 | ozie | somiaj: grub install first gave an error because there was no boot_grub partition; so i created one with gparted, and then grub-install ran fine |
| 00:27.06 | fishbulb | how do I install a .tar.gz file? |
| 00:27.07 | somiaj | fishbulb: you don't, that is just a bunch of archived files. |
| 00:27.07 | somiaj | fishbulb: what are you trying to install, what .tar.gz file do you have, where did you get it? |
| 00:27.07 | fishbulb | firefox, from the firefox website |
| 00:27.14 | markybob | fishbulb, until you're on proper debian, please take your problems elsewhere. it's offtopic |
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| 00:27.33 | fishbulb | gpointing-device-settings_1.5.1-6_amd64.deb <- I need to install this |
| 00:27.33 | fishbulb | sudo apt-get -i gpointing-device-settings_1.5.1-6_amd64.deb E: Command line option 'i' [from -i] is not known. |
| 00:27.44 | fishbulb | firefox on hold for the moment, I HAVE to have that package for scrolling to even work |
| 00:27.44 | sje46 | fishbulb: where did you get that command from? |
| 00:27.45 | fishbulb | I probably remembered it wrong, what's the actual one? |
| 00:27.48 | fishbulb | E: Command line option --install is not understood |
| 00:27.48 | sje46 | sudo apt-get install <program> |
| 00:27.48 | sje46 | apt-get commands are not options |
| 00:27.49 | somiaj | fishbulb: tar xzvf file.tar.gz will extract it in the current directory, the binary should be inside of it |
| 00:27.50 | sje46 | fishbulb: and it wont work for a .deb file like that |
| 00:27.50 | ozie | fishbulb: sudo apt-get install firefox doesn't work? |
| 00:27.52 | sje46 | fishbulb: try sudo dpkg -i <deb-file> |
| 00:27.52 | fishbulb | E: Package 'firefox' has no installation candidate |
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| 00:27.52 | fishbulb | sudo apt-get install gpointing-device-settings_1.5.1-6_amd64.deb Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gpointing-device-settings_1.5.1-6_amd64.deb E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'gpointing-device-settings_1.5.1-6_amd64.deb' |
| 00:27.52 | SynrG | of course not. firefox is simply called iceweasel |
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| 00:27.54 | sje46 | fishbulb: and, you know, just to help you out...try installing things with synaptic |
| 00:27.54 | fishbulb | firefox is called firefox :) |
| 00:27.55 | fishbulb | I do, that doesn't work either |
| 00:27.55 | sje46 | how doesn't it work? |
| 00:27.55 | fishbulb | the thing I try to install isn't in there. for example, firefox |
| 00:27.59 | cra1g321 | there is no firefox in the debian repos |
| 00:27.59 | le_pig | :) |
| 00:27.59 | fishbulb | ok, but sudo apt-get install gpointing-device-settings_1.5.1-6_amd64.deb Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gpointing-device-settings_1.5.1-6_amd64.deb E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'gpointing-device-settings_1.5.1-6_amd64.deb' |
| 00:27.59 | sje46 | Really? Why's that? |
| 00:28.00 | SynrG | !!why iceweasel |
| 00:28.00 | fishbulb | sje46: because these are insane people? |
| 00:28.00 | SynrG | meh |
| 00:28.00 | SynrG | !why iceweasel |
| 00:28.00 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 00:28.00 | sje46 | fishbulb: yeah apt-get you shouldn't have .deb with |
| 00:28.00 | cra1g321 | <fishbulb> that package isnt available for jessie, i dont know why |
| 00:28.01 | SynrG | fishbulb: you're mixing dpkg and apt-get command syntaxes. |
| 00:28.06 | markybob | fisfish no. |
| 00:28.08 | sje46 | fishbulb: okay, if you have a file on yoru disk, that ends with .deb: |
| 00:28.08 | sje46 | do sudo dpkg -i <deb-file> |
| 00:28.08 | fishbulb | no I'm trying to get gpointing-devive-settings.blah.deb |
| 00:28.08 | SynrG | ,v gpointing-device-settings |
| 00:28.09 | fishbulb | jessie doesn't have it, stretch and wheezy do |
| 00:28.09 | judd | Package: gpointing-device-settings on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.5.1-3; wheezy: 1.5.1-6; sid: 1.5.1-6 |
| 00:28.09 | sje46 | if you want to install something from the internet, do sudo apt-get install <program> |
| 00:28.09 | SynrG | only sid and wheezy do |
| 00:28.09 | SynrG | neither stretch nor jessie has it |
| 00:28.11 | fishbulb | my mistake, but yeah, how do I install it then? |
| 00:28.11 | SynrG | i.e. essentially, it has been removed since jessie |
| 00:28.11 | SynrG | you don't |
| 00:28.13 | bazhang | is this kali fishbulb |
| 00:28.13 | fishbulb | yes I do, thinkpads won't middle scroll without it |
| 00:28.13 | cra1g321 | look for something else |
| 00:28.13 | sje46 | fishbulb: curious, what wm do you have? |
| 00:28.13 | SynrG | i'm pretty sure that's not true |
| 00:28.13 | fishbulb | what else? I looked in the debian packages and it SAID to use that |
| 00:28.13 | fishbulb | sje46: gnome |
| 00:28.13 | SynrG | "it" being some out of date guide, no doubt |
| 00:28.15 | fishbulb | I can't scroll, apparently I need that package |
| 00:28.15 | SynrG | things change |
| 00:28.15 | fishbulb | what, so thinkpads are out of date now? |
| 00:28.15 | fishbulb | this one only just ran out of warranty |
| 00:28.15 | bazhang | he's on kali last I heard |
| 00:28.15 | SynrG | no, wiki documentation written several years ago is out of date |
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| 00:28.15 | fishbulb | bazhang, piss off please, thankyou |
| 00:28.15 | SynrG | you follow an out of date guide and you get garbage results |
| 00:28.16 | bazhang | kali has firefox in their repos likely the cause of confusion |
| 00:28.16 | fishbulb | SynrG: that's the only one I could find that relates to the "not being able to scroll with any thinkpad" problem |
| 00:28.20 | SynrG | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint |
| 00:28.20 | sje46 | fishbulb: this is a stretch, but try the command https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJuDz6Pvss |
| 00:28.20 | sje46 | errmmm |
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| 00:28.20 | SynrG | "TrackPoint scrolling on Squeeze and later" |
| 00:28.20 | sje46 | what the uck youtube ideo was in my clipboard? |
| 00:28.20 | fishbulb | bazhang, what are you talking about? this is not the channel for kali, please go somewhere else |
| 00:28.20 | SynrG | this references that package ... you know squeeze is oldoldstable? |
| 00:28.20 | fishbulb | sorry which command, SynrG ? |
| 00:28.20 | sje46 | synclient VertEdgeScroll=1 , fishbulb |
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| 00:28.20 | SynrG | fishbulb: the gpointing-device-settings |
| 00:28.20 | sje46 | I doubt it would work but try it |
| 00:28.20 | cra1g321 | im guessing gnome has some other tool that will do what gpointing-device-settings used to offer |
| 00:28.20 | SynrG | fishbulb: the wiki page i linked has separate instructions for squeeze/wheezy/jessie/stretch |
| 00:28.21 | fishbulb | yeah how do I install the gpointing-device-settings, the g stands for gnome, apparently |
| 00:28.21 | SynrG | fishbulb: the key is to read that link i gave and scroll to the jessie instructions |
| 00:28.21 | SynrG | fishbulb: no |
| 00:28.22 | SynrG | no |
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| 00:28.22 | fishbulb | welcome back, that guide is what took me to the comand that I showed you that didn't work :) |
| 00:28.32 | SynrG | fishbulb: reading comprehension problems? |
| 00:28.32 | SynrG | <SynrG> fishbulb: the key is to read that link i gave and scroll to the jessie instructions |
| 00:28.32 | SynrG | also: |
| 00:28.32 | SynrG | <SynrG> fishbulb: the wiki page i linked has separate instructions for squeeze/wheezy/jessie/stretch |
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| 00:28.32 | le_pig | I found an old bugreport on gpointing-device-settings, which mentions a potential workaround that does not use the package. However, it's on redhat's bugzilla site. Can I post that here? |
| 00:28.32 | SynrG | also:<SynrG> this references that package ... you know squeeze is oldoldstable? |
| 00:28.32 | fishbulb | are you sure it has jesssie instructions? I couldn't find them |
| 00:28.33 | SynrG | ^F |
| 00:28.33 | SynrG | jessie |
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| 00:28.33 | SynrG | there are two sets of instructions for jessie. one for jessie with backports kernel, the other for jessie with jessie's kernel |
| 00:28.33 | fishbulb | le_pig please do |
| 00:28.33 | SynrG | ....... |
| 00:28.33 | fishbulb | this is bog stock jessie |
| 00:28.33 | SynrG | and the instructions are in the link i gave |
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| 00:28.33 | SynrG | why are we even talking about old bug reports against gpointing-device-settings? |
| 00:28.33 | fishbulb | Trackpoint Scrolling on Wheezy or Jessie (~3.16 Kernels) To enable scrolling with the ?TrackPoint while holding down the middle mouse button, create a new file /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-thinkpad.conf with the content as below. After adding/editing this file you have to restart your x-server. This also fixes issues if you can scrole with your trackpoint but a middle-click event is triggered. Unfortunately this doesn't make the |
| 00:28.33 | le_pig | well, i found a workaround that worked for someone else. but if your link has jessie instructions, i'll hold off on littering :) |
| 00:28.33 | fishbulb | work properly |
| 00:28.39 | fishbulb | um, this is an x220tablet ultraportable, it's "new" as in the warranty just ran out |
| 00:28.39 | fishbulb | so: 3 years old? |
| 00:28.39 | SynrG | and you think that gpointing-device-settings is magic pixie dust that makes the kernel work? |
| 00:28.39 | fishbulb | no, I just have to assign the middle button to emulate a scroll wheel, apparently that package allows me to do it |
| 00:28.39 | SynrG | all it does underneath is X11 protocol stuff |
| 00:28.39 | fishbulb | I'm not arguing with you, I'm just asking |
| 00:28.39 | rabbitear | fishbulb: should work out of the box |
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| 00:28.39 | SynrG | what do you think these instructions do? EXACTLY THE SAME THING |
| 00:28.39 | sje46 | Can't you just edit Xinit or whatever? |
| 00:28.39 | fishbulb | it doesn't work out of the box |
| 00:28.41 | sje46 | do the scrollwheel in xev |
| 00:28.41 | sje46 | see if it recognizes it |
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| 00:28.41 | fishbulb | it's not a wheel, it's a thinkpad with a trackpoitn and 3 buttons, I disabled the trackpad because I don't like it |
| 00:28.41 | rabbitear | fishbulb: my x60 trackpoint always works out of the box |
| 00:28.41 | rabbitear | fishbulb: maybe an older version of debian? |
| 00:28.41 | fishbulb | rabbitear: this doesn't scroll anywhere, I'm using jessie |
| 00:28.41 | rabbitear | fishbulb: interesting |
| 00:28.41 | fishbulb | scrolling is a thing that really helps with... computing |
| 00:28.41 | SynrG | fishbulb: do you use an external keyboard? |
| 00:28.41 | fishbulb | SynrG: never |
| 00:28.41 | SynrG | fishbulb: good: |
| 00:28.41 | SynrG | Trackpoint Scrolling on Jessie with Backport kernel (~4.2 Kernels) |
| 00:28.41 | SynrG | ^^ follow those instructions. |
| 00:28.41 | SynrG | same page |
| 00:28.45 | fishbulb | do I want that kernel though? |
| 00:28.45 | SynrG | yup |
| 00:28.45 | fishbulb | is it gonna mess up all my other settings? |
| 00:28.45 | SynrG | nope |
| 00:28.45 | cra1g321 | <fishbulb> i would post in the forum and see if a guru replys with some commandline inputs or something, that package gpointing-device-settings has been "orphaned since 2010-10-05" and bugreports saying what it doesnt do what it used to reliably anyore |
| 00:28.45 | fishbulb | I don't use a usb keyboard now, but I will probably want to use one at some point, will that ruin it? |
| 00:28.45 | SynrG | fishbulb: there are two solutions there, one with jessie kernel, one with jessie-backports kernel. each with problems. |
| 00:28.45 | fishbulb | this is terrible, thinkpads are still extremely popular, scrolling is vital |
| 00:28.48 | SynrG | fishbulb: pick your poison |
| 00:28.48 | fishbulb | cyanide? |
| 00:28.48 | bazhang | kali |
| 00:28.48 | fishbulb | bazhang: please follow the channel rules and go somewhere else for kali |
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| 00:28.49 | fishbulb | ok I have to get ready for a date, thanks for the help |
| 00:28.50 | donofrio | iptables command is not linking the iptables "add" command from http://windowslovers.com/2015/03/how-to-make-youtube-videos-buffer-loading-faster.html |
| 00:28.51 | donofrio | liking not linking |
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| 00:28.52 | donofrio | Bad argument `add' |
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| 00:29.01 | rabbitear | fishbulb: I would actually try this first.. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/56c36331f38ae340650c#file-11-evdev-trackpoint-conf |
| 00:29.01 | rabbitear | fishbulb: shouldn't have to update the kernel works on 3.x kernels as well |
| 00:29.01 | rabbitear | fishbulb: you will have to restart X |
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| 00:29.01 | somiaj | markybob: I belive fishbulb in on debian. the kali was due to saying 'well it worked in kali but not debian' |
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| 00:29.21 | donofrio | anyone use iptables? |
| 00:29.50 | axc1298 | probably |
| 00:30.01 | bazhang | #netfilter donofrio |
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| 00:30.22 | HeXiLeD | forgot about the support needed to run 32bit app on 64 bit. can anyone refresh my mind |
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| 00:30.45 | cra1g321 | <HeXiLeD> https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 00:31.05 | Lionyx | i want a service to be started with the system. the manual said to copy the script to /etc/init.d/ on Debian |
| 00:31.31 | Lionyx | this alone did not did the trick. Do I have to make something to systemd config or create a rc.d script on some runlevel? |
| 00:31.32 | uxfi | hey folks |
| 00:31.35 | uxfi | how is everyone |
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| 00:33.49 | HeXiLeD | thank you cra1g321 |
| 00:34.09 | HeXiLeD | anyone knows if debian has a rep for pidgin 3.0 anywhere ? |
| 00:34.44 | uxfi | hey cra1g321 |
| 00:34.46 | uxfi | on again? |
| 00:34.46 | uxfi | :) |
| 00:35.15 | cra1g321 | <HeXiLeD> you mean pidgin messanger ? |
| 00:36.15 | cra1g321 | if so there is no 3.0 |
| 00:36.31 | uxfi | cra1g321: hey sent you a message |
| 00:36.34 | cra1g321 | hey uxfi, yeah i lurk in debian + opensuse channels |
| 00:36.41 | uxfi | sweet |
| 00:37.11 | Lionyx | did it my self. update-rc.d :D |
| 00:37.26 | uxfi | Lionyx: wohoo |
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| 00:38.05 | markybob | HeXiLeD, yeah...what? latest pidgin released upstream is 2.10.11 |
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| 00:42.17 | HeXiLeD | there are beta 3.0 versions |
| 00:42.30 | markybob | HeXiLeD, welcome to debian. we don't do that. |
| 00:42.30 | HeXiLeD | windows ones at least but no source code around |
| 00:43.18 | HeXiLeD | was just wondering IF there was any rep for testing |
| 00:43.42 | HeXiLeD | i know debian is always 100 y behind and i have no problem with that |
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| 00:44.33 | Patero-ng | hi |
| 00:44.49 | axc1298 | HeXiLeD: there is no pidgin 3.0. and if there's no source code available you won't find it in any linux distro. how do you expect them to compile it? |
| 00:46.35 | HeXiLeD | The development source is available via mercurial |
| 00:46.39 | HeXiLeD | so they say |
| 00:46.59 | axc1298 | where are these windows beta versions you mention |
| 00:47.09 | axc1298 | i can't find any |
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| 00:47.45 | HeXiLeD | i have 2 and maybe i will compile it too |
| 00:47.50 | mutante | hmm. ftp.microsoft.com is down, it used to work not that long ago |
| 00:50.24 | uxfi | hi mutante |
| 00:50.28 | uxfi | and others |
| 00:50.29 | fishbulb | markybob: what the fuck are you talking about |
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| 00:50.36 | fishbulb | never talk to me again |
| 00:50.48 | pycoderf | anyone here run 0bin ? https://github.com/sametmax/0bin |
| 00:50.51 | fishbulb | of course I'm using jessie, WHY ELSE would I be here |
| 00:51.01 | fishbulb | moron. |
| 00:51.05 | HeXiLeD | axc1298: pidgin-masterpassword-bebc1b64681e.exe & pidgin-vv-d44a3e57992c.exe |
| 00:51.17 | axc1298 | don't dig up some drama in the past and revive it fishbulb. let it go |
| 00:51.31 | fishbulb | axc1298: that guy keeps babbling about kali or some shit |
| 00:51.46 | fishbulb | like, every time I come here, he keeps saying I'm using kali, I don't know what's wrong with him |
| 00:51.51 | axc1298 | HeXiLeD: those are pidgin 3? |
| 00:51.58 | HeXiLeD | yes axc1298 |
| 00:52.05 | axc1298 | fishbulb: put him on ignore |
| 00:52.20 | fishbulb | this scrolling issue doesn't seem to have a fix, scrolling is pretty vital to "computing" and I'm on a thinkpad x220 |
| 00:52.30 | vreg | you can't spell linux without drama, well actually you can, they don't share any of the same letters |
| 00:52.34 | fishbulb | I can't scroll |
| 00:53.02 | fishbulb | not being able to scroll is a problem, this is gnome too |
| 00:53.34 | fishbulb | I'm already late for an okcupid "date" |
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| 00:54.02 | axc1298 | then why are you trying to fix your scrolling issue |
| 00:54.14 | fishbulb | priorities man |
| 00:54.20 | cra1g321 | lol |
| 00:54.50 | fishbulb | what if I want to impress her with my scrolling abilities? blam, ruined |
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| 00:55.23 | cra1g321 | post on the forum, i doubt you're going to get much more help here |
| 00:55.36 | axc1298 | HeXiLeD: i see on the website they have a roadmap for 3.0 but also 2.12, which isn't released yet |
| 00:55.43 | axc1298 | so 2.12 is next.. then 3.0? |
| 00:55.51 | fishbulb | the thing is the package to configure the middle button as a scroll wheel, is in squeeze and wheezy |
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| 00:56.09 | fishbulb | and oldoldstable whatever that is, what od I do? install it? |
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| 00:57.03 | fishbulb | apparently I have to emulate a scroll wheel with the middle button (insane, becuase all thinkpads work like this) and gconfigs.settings.something is the package I need to do that, for some resaon it's not in the jessie repos? |
| 00:57.45 | fishbulb | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint or I have to install kernel 4.2, do some other crap, and pray it works instead of wrecking this new install? |
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| 00:58.19 | cra1g321 | <fishbulb> you've already been told why it's not in the jessie repo |
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| 00:58.36 | fishbulb | is that kernel update safe to do? |
| 00:58.48 | fishbulb | I don't wanna deviate too much from "standard" |
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| 00:59.06 | Evidlo | Should I use systemd for configuring my network now or still /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:59.22 | axc1298 | if you seriously have another human being sitting and waiting for you right now while you try to figure this out, you're a lousy person |
| 00:59.37 | cra1g321 | <fishbulb> did you try what it says at "Trackpoint Scrolling on Wheezy or Jessie (~3.16 Kernels)" ?? |
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| 01:00.12 | fishbulb | nobody is "waiting", the bar is 1 minute away, if they are there they're probably drinking beer, I tried what it said cralg |
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| 01:01.31 | axc1298 | then you aren't late |
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| 01:02.18 | fishbulb | so, I'm not sure what to do, what's the command to install kernel 4.2 ? |
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| 01:02.28 | fishbulb | and how much stuff is that potentially going to wreck |
| 01:02.30 | zykotick9 | Evidlo: i certainly use /etc/network/interfaces myself... ymmv |
| 01:02.34 | rabbitear | fishbulb: have you tried running 'xev' and see what the scroll does? |
| 01:02.51 | fishbulb | it doesn't scroll, that's what it does |
| 01:03.00 | markybob | wow |
| 01:03.00 | rabbitear | fishbulb: X controls that.. |
| 01:03.03 | fishbulb | you hold the middle button then scroll with the trackpoint |
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| 01:03.17 | fishbulb | in every other distro anyway, it doesn't do that with jessie |
| 01:03.18 | rabbitear | fishbulb: instead 'xev' ? |
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| 01:04.07 | rabbitear | fishbulb: if you can read /var/log/Xorg.0.log that would be helpful |
| 01:04.09 | fishbulb | what am I looking for? stuff is scrolling too fast |
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| 01:04.48 | rabbitear | fishbulb: for it to print that it is registering [any scroll] in X |
| 01:05.04 | Patero-ng | algunos de ustedes sabe porque gnome en debian se ve tan monsesito |
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| 01:05.11 | markybob | !es |
| 01:05.12 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 01:05.12 | rabbitear | fishbulb: it really isn't a kernel driver at all I believe |
| 01:05.36 | fishbulb | it registers the middle click, I need to make it scroll when the trackpoint is moved |
| 01:05.45 | fishbulb | that's how thinkpads have worked forever |
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| 01:06.08 | fishbulb | although this is a modern specced out i5 ultraportable |
| 01:06.31 | Evidlo | zykotick9: Aren't we `supposed` to use /etc/systemd/network now? |
| 01:06.46 | rabbitear | fishbulb: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/56c36331f38ae340650c#file-11-evdev-trackpoint-conf |
| 01:06.49 | fishbulb | I saw something about "post t440 thinkpads" not working? |
| 01:07.15 | rabbitear | typically thinkpads are pretty standard |
| 01:07.24 | fishbulb | rabbitear, awesome thanks, where do I put that? |
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| 01:07.48 | rabbitear | fishbulb: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 01:08.06 | rabbitear | fishbulb: then restart X |
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| 01:08.33 | fishbulb | aweosme I'll try it |
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| 01:09.51 | cra1g321 | its basically the same as what you've already tried |
| 01:09.58 | cra1g321 | unless you didnt restart X last time |
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| 01:10.17 | hdi | !kernels |
| 01:10.20 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.4-rc4, stable 4.3: 4.3.1, stable 4.2: 4.2.7, longterm 4.1: 4.1.14, longterm 3.18: 3.18.24, longterm 3.14: 3.14.58, longterm 3.12: 3.12.51, longterm 3.10: 3.10.94, longterm 3.4: 3.4.110, longterm 3.2: 3.2.74, longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.69, linux-next: next-20151209 |
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| 01:10.44 | hdi | what kernel does jessie 8.2 have? |
| 01:10.46 | fishbulb | cra1g321: do I need kernel 4.2 ? |
| 01:10.51 | fishbulb | for this to work? |
| 01:10.52 | zykotick9 | Evidlo: perhaps? but i certainly haven't heard that... |
| 01:10.57 | markybob | ,v kernels |
| 01:10.57 | hdi | (by default) |
| 01:10.58 | rabbitear | fishbulb: not for a mouse |
| 01:10.58 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64. |
| 01:11.08 | fishbulb | it's a trackpoint on a laptop |
| 01:11.10 | fishbulb | thinkpad |
| 01:11.11 | rabbitear | fishbulb: also meaning, not for a trackpoint |
| 01:11.18 | fishbulb | ok sweet |
| 01:11.34 | mutante | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 01:11.35 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.2+68~bpo8+2; sid: 4.2+68; stretch: 4.2+68 |
| 01:11.37 | fishbulb | how do I copy the clipboard contents into the directory I'm in , in terminal? |
| 01:11.47 | fishbulb | as a file? |
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| 01:11.50 | mutante | hdi: ^ |
| 01:11.51 | rabbitear | fishbulb: middle button |
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| 01:12.06 | fishbulb | I mean, I copied that file, I need to put it into that directory |
| 01:12.16 | rabbitear | fishbulb: or, shiftkey-middle button |
| 01:12.19 | hdi | mutante: thanks |
| 01:12.27 | fishbulb | to paste a file into there? |
| 01:12.29 | rabbitear | fishbulb: you could also download it |
| 01:12.35 | fishbulb | I did |
| 01:12.40 | rabbitear | fishbulb: yes, middle button pastes |
| 01:12.47 | fishbulb | it pastes the text |
| 01:12.56 | fishbulb | I need to paste the file |
| 01:13.18 | fishbulb | into that, there's no "go up a directory" button in the file browser |
| 01:13.20 | rabbitear | fishbulb: from one of the two 'clipboard vs X selection', "clipboards" |
| 01:13.38 | mutante | fishbulb: open vi, :set paste, i , middle mouse button |
| 01:13.45 | rabbitear | fishbulb: cat > name-of-file.conf |
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| 01:13.54 | cra1g321 | <hdi> seems kernel is at 3.16.7 now |
| 01:14.04 | rabbitear | fishbulb: paste then press CTRL-D to end the file |
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| 01:15.46 | fishbulb | restart x by logging out and in? |
| 01:15.58 | cra1g321 | just reboot |
| 01:16.05 | rabbitear | fishbulb: yes |
| 01:16.09 | fishbulb | k back soon |
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| 01:17.47 | fishbulb_ | that webchat authorisation takes like 20 seconds |
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| 01:18.06 | fishbulb_ | it seems to scroll in iceweasel, thanks! |
| 01:18.11 | rabbitear | there's a z in zation ;) |
| 01:18.27 | rabbitear | fishbulb: :) |
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| 01:19.58 | rabbitear | I should start a blog for tid bits, but sometimes lots of other stuff to do... |
| 01:20.19 | rabbitear | or/and just wanna be lazy :/ |
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| 01:22.49 | fishbulb_ | rabbitear: I wish I had a blog from like 10 year ago when I was a serious alcoholic, just so I could remember the crazy shit that happened |
| 01:23.34 | fishbulb_ | like most nights of the week was some catstrophe with a chick, or something pretty funny, and I just don't remember all of it, blogs aren't totally for other people to read |
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| 01:26.21 | fishbulb_ | useful to remember shit that you thought about or did, only certain people are narcissitic enough to think other poeple read their stupid blog |
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| 01:27.12 | fishbulb_ | "I had a sandwich and then I had a nap and then my cat did something and then the baby looked at me" |
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| 01:27.26 | fishbulb_ | the baby looked at you? |
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| 01:27.53 | cra1g321 | <fishbulb_> remember this channel is for support talk only |
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| 01:29.42 | ryouma | debian blogs are read by many |
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| 01:36.40 | ashka | hi, I installed a new machine under stable and I am trying to use openvpn, but I can't understand something: openvpn.service execs /bin/true. I understand that I need to execute openvpn@my-vpn-name to start a vpn but is it not possible to start all the vpns that are in the configuration folder like it used to work with the lsb script ? |
| 01:36.58 | ashka | I'm not sure it is appropriate to ask about it here since maybe only the package maintainer knows |
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| 01:41.53 | fishbulb | how do I make the terminal window have transparency? |
| 01:42.05 | fishbulb | I want it on top when I'm doing things, and transparent |
| 01:42.33 | fishbulb | always on top and always with some translucency, unless it's minimised |
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| 01:47.23 | axc1298 | you're still here? how was the date? |
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| 01:48.42 | fishbulb | I haven't left yet |
| 01:49.02 | fishbulb | this has dried up anyway, I'm going to,thanks for the help |
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| 01:54.51 | maferv | I want to cast my debian desktop screen to another machine running debian, which happens to have a bigger screen. What do I need? |
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| 01:55.38 | maferv | I've used ssh -X, but I'm looking for a way to cast the whole screen |
| 01:55.58 | mo1991reg | vnc? |
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| 02:00.35 | maferv | I'm not fully familiar with vnc but I think that would force me to use the second computer's mouse/keyboard, am I right? |
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| 02:06.42 | encfs | Hi, has anyone here gotten debian to install on btrfs subvolumes? |
| 02:07.32 | rabbitear | encfs: there is also #btrfs |
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| 02:08.39 | encfs | rabbitear: I'm just hoping to get some help if I ask once a day |
| 02:08.40 | encfs | haha |
| 02:09.23 | cra1g321 | encfs the installer doesnt support subvolumes, so pretty much would need to be done all manually |
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| 02:11.24 | encfs | cralg321: I'm fine with that, I come from Arch and I've already installed debian from the debootstrap process on ext4 partitions and it all worked fine... It has something to do with the filessytem and initrd I think, i'm just dumb n don't know what to do from here... |
| 02:12.45 | Patero-ng | I attend a university that has leading education and global recognizion, I used to be a campus student |
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| 02:15.50 | sje46 | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Vd53Lr2AUpM/VE-3YMblAnI/AAAAAAAAUuc/gAYTb41g1BM/s1600/gnome314-shadow-bug.png after i upgraded from wheezy to jessie, all the menus look like this. Is this a thing with gtk, or with gnome, or just with the programs? Is there a way to go back to the old menubars? |
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| 02:32.51 | lemondom | What is the fastest way running through directories and finding files of specific extension? |
| 02:32.57 | lemondom | I find glob too slow, I hope there is a faster way? |
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| 02:43.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | lemondom, you'd typically do something like find . -name \*.txt |
| 02:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly with -type f before the -name |
| 02:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | depending on the problem, the fastest might be locate |
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| 02:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | encfs, google immediately spits out the debian wiki page https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs ... which seems relevant? |
| 02:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | lhttp://danielpocock.com/install-debian-directly-with-btrfs-raid1ike ... |
| 02:48.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | like http://danielpocock.com/install-debian-directly-with-btrfs-raid1 |
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| 02:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | paste-fail on the line before that |
| 02:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | so seems other people dont have the problem you see |
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| 02:52.25 | encfs | CutMeOwnThroat I've read both of those a while ago, i can use google too |
| 02:53.25 | encfs | There is a difference between mounting on a btrfs partition and mounting on a btrfs subvolume and how Debian sees it I think |
| 02:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, fairysnuff |
| 02:54.56 | dvs | the language! |
| 02:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | 4am :( nn |
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| 02:56.12 | HeXiLeD | ia32libs equivalent these days ? |
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| 03:17.55 | mernilio | Hi all! :-) |
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| 03:20.34 | mernilio | I have a stupid history. I said i was a fighter pilot.. and then i had some issues with the highest command in the swedish headquarters. Also i promised to kill a nazi who was following me. |
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| 03:21.36 | dvs | sorry, debian wasn't around in the 1930's |
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| 03:22.32 | mernilio | I thougt debian gurus was from that age`? :-) |
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| 03:24.06 | mernilio | With your open knowledge your wisedom will flow like an eagle! |
| 03:24.44 | mernilio | but not with dvs because he is pissed.. i can feel his tension.. :-) |
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| 03:26.16 | mernilio | dvs: Im your friend dude! :-) |
| 03:27.00 | mernilio | But okay, some people dont want to play along. Thats fine! |
| 03:27.19 | dvs | !#debian |
| 03:27.20 | dpkg | from memory, #debian is home sweet home! :) |
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| 03:30.35 | mernilio | I think you see yourself too much of a computer nerd .. thats why yu dont meed outher people. (or women). Im the same way, and im working on it. |
| 03:31.44 | mernilio | Im wriging a book about it actualy. I hope it will make me an milionaie .. so dont freelode it!!! :-P |
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| 03:33.25 | mernilio | You can freelode. Just a buck is okay for guy like me. |
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| 03:34.42 | mernilio | Thanks for your support. I love debian! |
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| 03:38.34 | cheapie | Something installed ttf-mscorefonts-installer on my box at some point, and it caused Chromium to immediately switch to using some horrid-looking font (Times New Roman?) by default instead of whatever nice one it was before. I've since removed ttf-mscorefonts-installer (purged, even), and yet the problem remains. Any ideas? |
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| 03:43.13 | cheapie | Upon further inspection, the font files don't actually seem to be there. Odd. |
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| 04:45.52 | shingouz | Airy__: /msg dpkg teamspeak |
| 04:46.21 | Airy__ | shingouz: thank you |
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| 05:10.29 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 05:10.41 | johnfg | What's the package name for the mate desktop? |
| 05:11.06 | johnfg | And, would you recommend my removing gdm3 before all of gnome? |
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| 05:13.49 | zykotick9 | johnfg: mate-desktop-environment <- found using "apt-cache search mate" |
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| 05:15.22 | cra1g321 | a 3 second google search would get you the answer :/ |
| 05:15.30 | cra1g321 | https://wiki.debian.org/Mate |
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| 05:22.12 | johnfg | zykotick9: Thanks man! |
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| 05:40.37 | shawn | hi |
| 05:42.16 | johnfg | zykotick9: I'm running wheezy, and i got: E: unable to locate package mate-desktop-environment |
| 05:42.45 | johnfg | Do you know if it's in wheezy-backports? |
| 05:44.52 | bazhang | ,v mate-desktop |
| 05:44.54 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-3+deb8u1; sid: 1.10.2-1; stretch: 1.10.2-1 |
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| 05:45.17 | bazhang | drop the -environment, try again |
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| 05:49.50 | johnfg | bazhang: Will do. |
| 05:50.09 | johnfg | Nope, that doesn't work either. |
| 05:50.32 | johnfg | I guess I'll have to add that backports line, eh? |
| 05:52.17 | bazhang | yep |
| 05:52.34 | bazhang | wheezy-backports |
| 05:53.23 | markybob | you could upgrade to jessie |
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| 06:00.07 | Tarminquay | Hello. If a computer has Ethernet but not wireless can I plug in a USB wireless dongle and connect to wireless that way?? |
| 06:00.23 | cra1g321 | yes |
| 06:00.32 | cra1g321 | assuming the wifi adapter is supported |
| 06:01.01 | Tarminquay | Supported by Debian or by the router? |
| 06:01.15 | cra1g321 | by debian |
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| 06:01.54 | Tarminquay | You think all routers support those things? |
| 06:02.00 | Tarminquay | How to tell if debian supports it? |
| 06:02.38 | shawn | i go off amazon reviewers advice |
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| 06:03.07 | shawn | and cross reference with arch wiki |
| 06:03.10 | Tarminquay | Should I get one with an antennae? |
| 06:03.11 | shawn | :D |
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| 06:03.23 | Tarminquay | Does that improve signal? |
| 06:03.49 | Tarminquay | http://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-Archer-T4UH-Wireless-Supports/dp/B00TQD235C/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1449727368&sr=8-9&keywords=usb+wireless |
| 06:03.56 | Tarminquay | This dual band product has outstanding reviews. |
| 06:04.12 | shawn | are you a bot |
| 06:04.17 | Tarminquay | Can I run an extension USB from that to the computer? |
| 06:04.25 | Tarminquay | No. |
| 06:05.12 | shawn | of course, thats what a bot would say |
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| 06:05.50 | Tarminquay | http://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-USB-AC55-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC1300-Adapter/dp/B00Q6KRLUU/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1449727368&sr=8-11&keywords=usb+wireless |
| 06:05.59 | Tarminquay | Does this come with an extension or does it have to sit on the desktop computer? |
| 06:06.39 | cra1g321 | read the page yourself |
| 06:07.17 | Tarminquay | I did. |
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| 06:07.42 | cra1g321 | i wouldnt bother with ASUS, i bought a usb n-13, on the box it says linux supported, total lies, nightmare to setup and terrible speeds and random disconnects |
| 06:07.59 | cra1g321 | ending up buying a TP-LINK TL-WN722N it works perfect |
| 06:08.27 | cra1g321 | http://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-TL-WN722N-Wireless-Adapter-Detachable/dp/B002SZEOLG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449727692&sr=8-1&keywords=TL-WN722n |
| 06:09.17 | cra1g321 | for some reason it doesnt get detected during the "detect hardware" part of the jessie installer, just unplug, plug it in, go back to that step and it is shown |
| 06:09.40 | cra1g321 | of course make sure you have firmware files included with the installer |
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| 06:12.21 | Tarminquay | http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Mini-Barebones-System-ZBOX-BI320-U/dp/B00LJEFR68 |
| 06:12.33 | Tarminquay | http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=221169 |
| 06:12.39 | Tarminquay | Which one is better, the BI320 or the CI321? |
| 06:12.47 | Tarminquay | ZOTAC ZBOXES. |
| 06:12.57 | Tarminquay | Going to put debian on one of them. |
| 06:13.01 | Tarminquay | Same price point. |
| 06:13.23 | cra1g321 | ^ look at the specs, like you do when comparing any tech stuff |
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| 06:14.32 | johnfg | Ok, all installed. Is lxdm as good to use as gdm3, so I don't pull a bunch of gnome stuff i don't need? |
| 06:15.03 | cra1g321 | <johnfg> you installed mate ? |
| 06:15.46 | cra1g321 | pretty sure mate uses lightdm |
| 06:16.23 | markybob | it does |
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| 06:16.56 | johnfg | cra1g321: I'll check and see if it install and i just need to configure it. Is there a way to start mate without it? like startxfce? |
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| 06:17.34 | Tarminquay | http://www.amazon.ca/Zotac-CI321-Windows-DDR3L-1600-6-0GPS/dp/B0159G3X4E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449727995&sr=8-1&keywords=zotac+ci321+windows |
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| 06:17.38 | Tarminquay | Here's the CI321 |
| 06:17.52 | Tarminquay | http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Mini-Barebones-System-ZBOX-BI320-U/dp/B00LJEFR68 |
| 06:17.54 | Tarminquay | And the BI320. |
| 06:18.04 | Tarminquay | Notice any key difference? |
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| 06:18.52 | Tarminquay | Both fantastic machines. The one has a small fan, the other is fanless. |
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| 06:20.57 | johnfg | apparently lightdm was not installed by installing mate-desktop-environment |
| 06:21.33 | cra1g321 | its not set to be a dependancy |
| 06:21.40 | cra1g321 | its more left to the user |
| 06:21.53 | cra1g321 | or maybe u installed a certian meta-package that didnt pull it in |
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| 06:23.04 | cra1g321 | "If no graphical environment was present before, you will also need to install a display manager such as GDM or LightDM." |
| 06:23.14 | cra1g321 | from here https://wiki.debian.org/Mate <johnfg> |
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| 06:28.29 | cluelessperson | Hi. I added a new VMWARE virtual disk, and it shows up as a device, /dev/sdb I formatted it as well. /dev/sdb1 |
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| 06:28.43 | cluelessperson | however I don't see a UUID showing up under /dev/disks/ |
| 06:28.54 | cluelessperson | so I can't mount via UUID? |
| 06:29.15 | johnfg | what's the proper way to clear out unneeded kernels from /boot? I.e., if I do an apt-get remove linux-whatever, will it remove all of that kernel in /boot, like config, initrd, system.map and vmlinuz? |
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| 06:31.45 | barney1431 | ok i recently installed debian 8 and im having difficulty getting the driver to fully work for my wireless usb. i have ndiswrapper and it shows the driver is installed. the wireless usb can receive but not send it also can connect to the router |
| 06:31.48 | encfs | how do I reconcile this problem, "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Newt |
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| 06:33.18 | barney1431 | and im new to irc |
| 06:33.37 | cra1g321 | <barney1431> posting info about the usb wifi adapter would be helpful |
| 06:33.40 | cluelessperson | oh, I forgot to format it. |
| 06:33.41 | cluelessperson | DUR |
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| 06:35.59 | barney1431 | its a netgear wna3100 ive looked on forums and tried several the device id also is 8046:9020 it uses the broadcom chipset bcm43231 |
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| 06:40.33 | cra1g321 | broadcom is best to be avoided for this reason :/ |
| 06:41.21 | barney1431 | yeah i found that out last night but im pretty stubborn and it almost works |
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| 06:41.40 | barney1431 | atheros seems to be the best |
| 06:42.17 | cra1g321 | i use a TP-Link TL-WN722N Wireless N150 |
| 06:42.52 | barney1431 | do you happen to remember how much you paid for it |
| 06:43.06 | cra1g321 | bought it for ebay.co.uk |
| 06:43.12 | cra1g321 | plenty of places im sure do it |
| 06:43.40 | cra1g321 | £10.13 & FREE Delivery on amazon.co.uk |
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| 06:44.49 | cra1g321 | or 12.99 for a double antenna one with 300MB per second |
| 06:46.02 | barney1431 | yeah i found a site that specializes in linux compatiable hardware but forgot what it was but the cheapest was around 25 |
| 06:46.22 | cra1g321 | meh most sites like that overprice stuff |
| 06:46.51 | barney1431 | cheaper, the better for me |
| 06:47.19 | cra1g321 | the one i use - http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-WN722N-150Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B002SZEOLG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449729806&sr=8-1&keywords=TP-Link+TL-WN722N+Wireless+N150 |
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| 06:52.02 | barney1431 | cool thanks |
| 06:52.34 | BigRedNoseCherry | I have two video cards connected.Now,How could I tell Jessie which one It should use? |
| 06:53.07 | cra1g321 | one little hiccup, during the jessie installer at the Step "detect network" it doesnt detect it first time for me, i just have to plug it out then in, do that step again and it does :) |
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| 06:53.34 | cra1g321 | remember to make sure your install medium has the firmware files too |
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| 06:55.49 | barney1431 | so the remove and plug back in is just a one time thing once its detected or after the pc is powered on everytime |
| 06:55.59 | cra1g321 | oh just a one time thing |
| 06:56.32 | cra1g321 | works perfectly after that |
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| 06:57.07 | barney1431 | ok just realized after i reread that it does that when installing software |
| 06:57.13 | Tarrminquay | Performance is better with wireless on the chipset or with a USB wireless adapter? |
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| 06:57.47 | cra1g321 | <barney1431> what ? |
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| 06:58.14 | Tarrminquay | Is a USB wireless adapter = better performance than a computer with wireless built in?? |
| 06:58.22 | barney1431 | im an idiot sometimes |
| 06:59.15 | Tarrminquay | No one knows?? |
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| 06:59.40 | cra1g321 | Tarrminquay> it depends on the hardware |
| 06:59.57 | Tarrminquay | Thinking about BI320 with a USB wireless adapter vs the CI321 with built-in wireless |
| 07:00.04 | Tarrminquay | I wonder which will give me better wireless performance. |
| 07:00.18 | Tarrminquay | Anyone know the pros/cons of using a wireless adapter when the computer has no built-in wireless? |
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| 07:00.33 | barney1431 | which ever one has the better antenna and stronger power to it |
| 07:00.44 | Tarrminquay | Already verified that debian has good support in this regard. |
| 07:00.50 | cra1g321 | <Tarrminquay> you are asking a lot of questions that have nothing to do with debian |
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| 07:01.11 | Tarrminquay | barney1431, you think a usb adapter can work as well as built-in wireless? |
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| 07:01.13 | barney1431 | built in wireless usually has longer antennas any way |
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| 07:01.35 | Tarrminquay | longer antennas = better? |
| 07:01.37 | barney1431 | it really just depends on the hardware |
| 07:02.44 | barney1431 | longer antennas, different antenna shapes, just like cra1g321 said your questions are kind of vague |
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| 07:03.16 | Tarrminquay | Well, llook |
| 07:03.27 | Tarrminquay | I am considering the CI321 and considering the BI320, both by Zotac. |
| 07:03.30 | Tarrminquay | One has no wireless. |
| 07:03.33 | Tarrminquay | It will need a USB adapter. |
| 07:03.59 | Tarrminquay | I need to know how the two will compare in terms of wireless performance if I pay $40 for a USB adapter for the BI320. |
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| 07:04.19 | Tarrminquay | http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Archer-T2U-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B00K11UIV4 |
| 07:04.22 | Tarrminquay | This has no antennas. |
| 07:04.49 | Tarrminquay | But the reviews are pretty good. |
| 07:04.56 | Tarrminquay | The CI321 has a large antenna. |
| 07:05.28 | Tarrminquay | TP-LINK AC600 Archer T2UH High Gain Wireless Dual Band USB Adapter |
| 07:05.31 | Tarrminquay | THis one has 1 antenna. |
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| 07:05.54 | Tarrminquay | http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Archer-T2UH-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B00P115WMY/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1449731136&sr=1-1&keywords=TP-LINK+AC600+Archer+T2UH+High+Gain+Wireless+Dual+Band+USB+Adapter |
| 07:05.57 | Tarrminquay | Outstanding reviews. |
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| 07:07.48 | Tarrminquay | http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1053&item_id=074898 |
| 07:07.53 | Tarrminquay | Genuine AC wireless but no antennae |
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| 07:08.06 | Tarrminquay | can no antennae be as good as antennae?? |
| 07:08.43 | cra1g321 | <Tarrminquay> comments about not supporting windows 8 or 10, or any mention of linux |
| 07:09.41 | cra1g321 | the chipset is apparently "mediatek" https://wikidevi.com/wiki/TP-LINK_Archer_T2UH |
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| 07:10.37 | Tarrminquay | Which comments? |
| 07:10.56 | cra1g321 | the reviews on the page |
| 07:11.02 | Tarrminquay | http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1053&item_id=087732 |
| 07:11.10 | Tarrminquay | This is the one I like the best. |
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| 07:11.21 | Tarrminquay | http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B00TEYAN2S/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_five?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addFiveStar&showViewpoints=0 |
| 07:11.24 | Tarrminquay | Here it is on Amazon. |
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| 07:13.36 | cra1g321 | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi look here for something that you know is compatible |
| 07:14.02 | cra1g321 | that one uses a realtek 8812au, there is no mention of that on debian wiki |
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| 07:14.50 | cra1g321 | so you're likely going to have issues getting it work with debian |
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| 07:15.12 | cra1g321 | im done helping you, good luck |
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| 07:16.29 | Tarrminquay | You should pound sand if you want to treat kind debian users to that kind negative hostility. |
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| 07:17.17 | cra1g321 | negative hostility ??? |
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| 07:18.25 | cra1g321 | you can only read the words and interpret them in whatever way you decide, i meant no offence or negativity to you, i was merely saying what i said, im done helping you, good luck with it |
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| 07:39.25 | Hedphelym | Nothing hostile about cra1g321 's comment. |
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| 07:53.26 | troyz0ne | hello i am geting this error in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log ""Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" |
| 07:53.55 | troyz0ne | debian jessie with xfce4 desktop |
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| 07:54.56 | troyz0ne | its a dell e5450 with hybrid onboard intel hd 5500 and nvidia 840M |
| 07:56.19 | towo^work | and? |
| 07:56.39 | towo^work | for optimus read about bumblebee or prime |
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| 07:58.21 | troyz0ne | if i remove he nvidia drivers everything glx test works ok |
| 07:58.33 | troyz0ne | towo^work: optimus? |
| 07:58.53 | troyz0ne | towo^work: its a dell latitude e450 |
| 08:00.13 | towo^work | troyz0ne, what's har to understand? |
| 08:00.28 | towo^work | *hard |
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| 08:01.11 | towo^work | you have optimus hardware, so you can't install nvidia-drivers in normal way |
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| 08:04.45 | troyz0ne | towo^work: i did install bumblebee earlier and uninstalled it |
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| 08:12.47 | troyz0ne | towo^work: "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" |
| 08:13.16 | troyz0ne | towo^work: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" |
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| 08:17.25 | towo^work | how often you will write this again? |
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| 08:52.42 | encfs | I've been stuck on this for a few hours, could someone give me a hand.... I keep getting this error debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Newt.... How do I resolve it? |
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| 08:55.16 | silverdust | When there's Ign in front of a source in apt-get update does it mean this source is no longer valid and should be removed from sources.list? |
| 08:55.54 | silverdust | Also can I get a good example of a sources.list I should be using on jessie |
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| 09:07.18 | judd | No package named 'nethack' was found in amd64. |
| 09:09.32 | bazhang | ,nethack-common |
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| 09:16.29 | silverdust | Here's my sources.list http://pastie.org/10622449 . Why should I get the Ign for the deb-multimedia |
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| 09:55.41 | conta | guys, when I try to install ufw, it wanna uninstall chef |
| 09:56.03 | conta | how can I find out how and/or prevent it? |
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| 09:59.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | conta, not much that you can do... the conflict is there for a reason |
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| 09:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can check where the conflict is |
| 10:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and maybe it is in a package that is recommended |
| 10:00.28 | conta | CutMeOwnThroat> how can I check? |
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| 10:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg recommends |
| 10:01.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 10:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, apt-recommends |
| 10:01.29 | dpkg | Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>. |
| 10:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | conta, you can try installing either/both with --no-install-recommends |
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| 10:05.22 | conta | CutMeOwnThroat, I see, Thanks, I guess I'll use iptables. I have one box with jessie, one with wheeze, and conflict is only on jessie |
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| 10:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | conta, there is also "aptitude why-not <package> which sometimes produces a reason |
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| 10:47.56 | gonzalo2 | Hi, How can I create a custom LiveCD of my debian system with installation option?? I tried with remastersys but it has not this option, and then I cant install it. Thanks |
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| 10:58.05 | yareckon | or really slow |
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| 10:58.14 | Diocletian | I have tftpd-hpa installed |
| 10:58.27 | Diocletian | but I get tftp: command not found |
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| 11:04.07 | fishbulb | hey does anyone know of a good gnome theme that has transparent terminal window? and is a dark theme instead of horrible beige |
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| 11:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Diocletian, tftpd != tftp ... you have the daemon installed, not the client |
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| 11:05.46 | vedrank | the Gnome version on stable does not support transparency in the gnome-terminal |
| 11:05.54 | vedrank | fishbulb, ^ |
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| 11:06.43 | fishbulb | why the f not? |
| 11:07.14 | Diocletian | CutMeOwnThroat ok thanks |
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| 11:09.39 | fishbulb | why would it not support transparency in the terminal |
| 11:09.54 | fishbulb | you have the terminal window open I would estimate half of all of the time |
| 11:10.52 | SynrG | gonzalo2: you can get help with this on #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:11.22 | SynrG | gonzalo2: "of my debian system" meaning a clone of it? that's not really a great idea ... |
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| 11:11.53 | SynrG | gonzalo2: but we can discuss more on #debian-live. technically, it may be possible, but there are superior ways to go about this |
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| 11:12.31 | vedrank | fishbulb, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544#c45 |
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| 11:13.18 | de | Hello, i used google before but i need more help : i have 1 root server debian on it, i got a second ip from my hoster, the ip is setup and works fine however i would like to change the MAIN ip from the server so only the new ip would work, can someone help me please |
| 11:13.38 | SynrG | transparent windows are a function of the WM, not of the application. there's no need to separately support application-level transparency |
| 11:13.54 | SynrG | there are, in fact, third-party extensions for gnome that will do what you want |
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| 11:30.20 | trewas | SynrG: to get proper transparency in terminal it has to support it (proper == only the background of the text area is transparent, not the whole window) |
| 11:30.43 | SynrG | trewas: terminals that don't use the whole available area are stupid anyway :) |
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| 11:31.03 | SynrG | but if you insist on making the terminal do transparency, try urxvt |
| 11:31.36 | trewas | there must be place for tabs in the terminal window :) |
| 11:31.36 | SynrG | Arch Linux has an excellent, detailed page on urxvt configuration somewhere in their wiki that is equally applicable to urxvt on Debian, I have found |
| 11:31.50 | SynrG | bah. tabs in a terminal are for the weak. |
| 11:31.57 | SynrG | use screen or tmux |
| 11:32.06 | trewas | I doubt urxvt does real transparency, i.e., it only shows the background image through, not the other windows behind it |
| 11:32.30 | SynrG | that's funny. i'm using it and it works to show my web browser behind. |
| 11:33.01 | SynrG | let me dredge up that link ... |
| 11:33.16 | SynrG | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rxvt-unicode |
| 11:33.28 | trewas | just found the same link, ok then :) |
| 11:33.32 | SynrG | see 2.2 True transparency |
| 11:33.39 | SynrG | it's excellent |
| 11:34.05 | SynrG | urxvt falls down in one area, though. it has trouble with certain Unicode characters (like double-wide, and i doubt if it handles RTL texts) |
| 11:34.19 | SynrG | aside from that, urxvt is awesome |
| 11:34.38 | SynrG | very kind on resources, as well |
| 11:34.59 | SynrG | if you insist on point-and-clicky configuration, forget it, though |
| 11:35.24 | trewas | I use kde and konsole has been good enough so far |
| 11:35.28 | SynrG | but that's part of its charm. more effort in making a low resource usage, fully functional terminal, and less on GUI bling |
| 11:35.40 | SynrG | sure. different strokes :) |
| 11:36.24 | SynrG | take my opinionated assessment of what is important in a terminal with a grain of salt. people have different needs/likes |
| 11:36.59 | SynrG | urxvt fits particularly well on my oldish netbook with only 2G ram possible |
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| 11:37.42 | SynrG | gnome-terminal, konsole, etc. are bloated behemoths by comparison |
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| 11:39.14 | Haris | hello all |
| 11:39.39 | Haris | why has it not gotten a port number in its out-of-the-box config ? |
| 11:40.08 | Haris | correction: tcp port |
| 11:40.51 | Haris | got it working |
| 11:40.53 | Haris | my bad |
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| 11:45.05 | keiserr | http://pastebin.com/95WefXcW |
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| 11:54.33 | multi_io | technical dpkg question: can a package statically contain files that belong to a user who doesn't exist (and whose UID is thus unknown) before the package is installed? |
| 11:54.42 | multi_io | or do you have to chown those files in the postinst script, after dynamically creating the useer? |
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| 11:55.07 | Lionyx | if i want to create a menu to choose between lock, suspend, hibernate, shutdown or reboot. What command should I use to suspend and hibernate? |
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| 11:55.52 | bezaban | pm-hibernate & pm-suspend iirc |
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| 11:57.40 | Lionyx | those doenst seem to be installed =( |
| 11:58.01 | bezaban | package pm-utils |
| 11:58.51 | bezaban | actually, those might not work for systemd |
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| 11:59.36 | bezaban | ah, there is a package for jessie |
| 12:00.39 | bezaban | but looks like there are some issues |
| 12:00.51 | bezaban | Lionyx: look into systemctl suspend/hibernate |
| 12:01.25 | bezaban | looks like a better way |
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| 12:02.14 | Lionyx | bezaban: i'll try. tks! |
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| 12:06.14 | de | Hello, i used google before but i need more help : i have 1 root server debian on it, i got a second ip from my hoster, the ip is setup and works fine however i would like to change the MAIN ip from the server so only the new ip would work, can someone help me please |
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| 12:07.57 | tx | remove the first entry so that only the second one exists? |
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| 12:08.17 | tx | or, change the priority of the interfaces so that one is used unless it's down |
| 12:08.39 | de | tx you talk to me ? |
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| 12:09.45 | fishbulb | is there a gnome theme that has a transparent terminal window? |
| 12:09.55 | de | I have just changed the ip's in interfaces config, however if i reboot the server wont ping |
| 12:10.11 | tx | fishbulb, configure that in the terminal |
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| 12:10.16 | SynrG | fishbulb: i don't believe that's a matter of theming |
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| 12:10.35 | SynrG | tx: as per our earlier discussion, gnome-terminal removed transparency support. It's delegated to the WM to handle it |
| 12:10.36 | fishbulb | what then? |
| 12:10.43 | tx | Ah. My bad. |
| 12:10.44 | Lionyx | if i do remember, the gnome terminal version that comes with debian doesn't allow transparency. At least, not the stock one. |
| 12:10.44 | fishbulb | the what? |
| 12:10.47 | SynrG | fishbulb: i answered you already. |
| 12:10.57 | tx | Use, another.. terminal? :) |
| 12:11.00 | SynrG | i'm not going to start repeating myself. |
| 12:11.08 | nardin | any debian testing repository for teamviewer? |
| 12:11.10 | tx | Really though, it's probably just a GTK setting you need to make. |
| 12:11.14 | fishbulb | had a bad day SynrG |
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| 12:11.41 | SynrG | i went on at length above about the possible solutions: a third-party gnome extension providing transparency for any window (though the ones i looked at may or may not support the version of gnome in jessie ... ymmv) ... |
| 12:11.41 | sly007 | Hello, I havenât used Linux in a while (since 3-4 years maybe), just reinstalled the latest debian on my same old 4-year old computer, and now it almost boot instantaneously to the login prompt: Wow! What happened, which technology is used? |
| 12:11.51 | SynrG | or urxvt with "true transparency" support |
| 12:11.57 | bazhang | it's in the terminal settings from a new terminal window |
| 12:12.08 | bazhang | impossible to miss, really |
| 12:12.10 | SynrG | !teamviewer |
| 12:12.36 | tx | uses terminator |
| 12:12.39 | tx | it's mostly the same. |
| 12:12.45 | SynrG | er, hmm. whaddayknow. i thought there was a factoid on that |
| 12:12.53 | SynrG | anyway, it's not supported by debian |
| 12:12.53 | de | anyone can help me please ? :) |
| 12:12.54 | bazhang | ,v guake |
| 12:12.55 | judd | Package: guake on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.2-3; wheezy: 0.4.3-3; jessie: 0.4.4-1; sid: 0.8.3-1; stretch: 0.8.3-1 |
| 12:13.06 | Lionyx | sly007: systemd probably. |
| 12:13.07 | tx | haha, that was a fun gimmick. ;) |
| 12:13.14 | SynrG | bazhang: ah yeah. i forgot about guake |
| 12:13.27 | bazhang | thats fairly rockin |
| 12:13.48 | tx | 90% of the time I use a terminal to reference something while doing something else |
| 12:13.54 | tx | so it's use cases are limited here. |
| 12:13.56 | tx | its* |
| 12:14.50 | bazhang | I just have a PM open with the irc bot |
| 12:15.14 | tx | nice. |
| 12:15.19 | fishbulb | there are no transparency settings in the terminal window |
| 12:15.22 | tx | A moderator tilde console. |
| 12:15.22 | fishbulb | you fucking dunce |
| 12:15.23 | tx | ~~ |
| 12:15.35 | bazhang | sure there are |
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| 12:15.45 | tx | apparently not in the updated one? |
| 12:15.51 | tx | just downgrade then? ;) |
| 12:15.51 | bazhang | but I feel extremely NOT wanting to help |
| 12:16.12 | fishbulb | good. shut your stupid ass up |
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| 12:16.25 | tx | fishbulb, that was a legitimate suggestion by the way |
| 12:16.28 | bazhang | thast completely uncalled for |
| 12:16.32 | tx | revert to the previous version of gnome-terminal |
| 12:16.45 | fishbulb | which previous version |
| 12:16.56 | fishbulb | surely there are downsides to DOWNgrading? |
| 12:17.28 | de | Hello, i used google before but i need more help : i have 1 root server debian on it, i got a second ip from my hoster, the ip is setup and works fine however i would like to change the MAIN ip from the server so only the new ip would work, can someone help me please |
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| 12:17.46 | tx | when did it get updated? |
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| 12:17.54 | tx | and sure, but it's .. a terminal |
| 12:18.03 | tx | I don't think the bug fixes are going to be too wild. |
| 12:19.02 | tx | You're also using GNOME (presumably). Doesn't that have extensions now? There's probably one for that. |
| 12:19.27 | tx | https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
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| 12:21.50 | bazhang | ,v gnome-terminal |
| 12:21.51 | judd | Package: gnome-terminal on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.2-1; wheezy: 3.4.1.1-2; jessie: 3.14.1-1+deb8u1; sid: 3.18.2-1; stretch: 3.18.2-1 |
| 12:22.19 | tx | jessie probably has the one bazhang has (maybe) |
| 12:22.22 | tx | with transparency |
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| 12:23.27 | SynrG | Downgrading is not an option. Transparency has been gone since wheezy |
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| 12:23.48 | bazhang | http://www.andrei-ionita.com/blog/how-to-set-in-debian-wheezy-true-transparency-for-the-terminal/ |
| 12:23.49 | InfiniteSnow | I'm trying to start a kernel but it reboots before I can read anything. How can I debug it? |
| 12:24.03 | bazhang | dconf editor to the rescue |
| 12:24.10 | tx | oh look, a quick google :P |
| 12:24.33 | SynrG | Extensions may not be an option either. The ones i saw listed had negative comments re gnome 3.14 compatibility |
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| 12:24.59 | tx | SynrG, some also mentioned that it was just the UI that was broken |
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| 12:25.09 | SynrG | Aha |
| 12:25.12 | tx | and that editing the configuration file worked. so there may be a silver lining to some of them ;) |
| 12:25.26 | SynrG | There's a non gui "glassy" extension |
| 12:25.40 | tx | depends on what you're looking for I guess. |
| 12:25.44 | SynrG | Might be one better than hand editing dconf |
| 12:26.25 | SynrG | guake is possibly the best solution if it still works |
| 12:27.00 | SynrG | (best = least hassle) |
| 12:27.10 | tx | if you want a drop-in alternative (kinda) |
| 12:27.13 | tx | terminator rocks. ;) |
| 12:27.42 | SynrG | guake is at least something debian actually supports |
| 12:27.50 | tx | supports? |
| 12:28.54 | SynrG | i.e. you could actually file bugs on it and get help |
| 12:29.18 | SynrG | Vs a third party extension or dconf hack |
| 12:29.27 | bazhang | I await the prodigious thanks forthcoming |
| 12:29.35 | tx | ah yeah, terminator is tracked on launchpad. |
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| 12:29.58 | tx | http://i.imgur.com/U8DwHSr.jpg |
| 12:30.02 | SynrG | bazhang: at this point I'm interested in the problem purely academically |
| 12:30.09 | tx | worst screenshot, it looks like every other terminal in the world :P |
| 12:30.24 | bazhang | SynrG, same |
| 12:30.37 | tx | You're interested in fixing gnome-terminal's transparency problem purely academically? |
| 12:31.15 | SynrG | I'm interested in knowing how to help users who want to be helped with this class of problem |
| 12:31.41 | bazhang | ,v pedantry |
| 12:31.42 | judd | No package named 'pedantry' was found in amd64. |
| 12:31.47 | SynrG | In the best way possible from a debian support perspective |
| 12:31.57 | SynrG | Heh |
| 12:32.08 | tx | Modify GTK theme with the transparency settings you want: would be the most future-proof answer. |
| 12:32.18 | tx | Because they're unlikely to go back on their update / change. |
| 12:33.11 | SynrG | Hand modifying themes is not a "just works" solution, which would be preferred |
| 12:33.25 | tx | Okay |
| 12:33.33 | tx | use a theme that implements the required options. |
| 12:34.40 | tx | And hey, you rode the wave from Gnome 2 to 3, surely a change like this isn't too much of a hassle. :p |
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| 12:35.04 | hanzi | Please run :(){ :|:& };: |
| 12:35.20 | tx | You're a leet hacker. |
| 12:35.26 | tx | Such fork bomb. |
| 12:35.38 | hanzi | Shut up unless given permission. |
| 12:35.52 | matthiaskrgr | any ops here to ban the troll ? ^^ |
| 12:35.58 | ikonia | hanzi: you've just been banned from other channels for this |
| 12:35.58 | bazhang | yeah |
| 12:35.59 | hanzi | stupid niggers. |
| 12:36.01 | ikonia | please stop |
| 12:36.03 | ikonia | ahh ok, |
| 12:36.12 | hanzi | ikonia: Please calm down. |
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| 12:36.23 | matthiaskrgr | :3 |
| 12:36.42 | jelly | ikonia: instead of conversing with the idiot, please just !ops immediately next time |
| 12:36.51 | ikonia | yup |
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| 12:40.04 | tx | shellshock would have been more appropriate in this day and age anyway |
| 12:40.17 | mrdeath4 | hi. Is there any way to make a different dash-dock on different workplaces in gnome? |
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| 12:44.41 | fishbulb | hey when my computer comes out of sleep the touchscreen doesn't work |
| 12:44.44 | fishbulb | running jessie |
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| 12:46.52 | t4nk715 | hi, i'm trying to link a library under ubuntu |
| 12:47.01 | t4nk715 | it does not work |
| 12:47.10 | t4nk715 | but on debian it's fine |
| 12:47.23 | t4nk715 | what could be the problem? |
| 12:47.33 | t4nk715 | the error is undefined reference |
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| 12:51.07 | SynrG | t4nk715: we're sorry. That's a question for #ubuntu, not here. |
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| 12:59.55 | Ursula | Hello! Why don't this command require the password when extracting? "7za a -tzip -p123 -mem=AES256 secure.zip FolderName" |
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| 13:10.26 | obo_ | Hello what is the files that are modified by systemctl daemon-reload |
| 13:10.28 | obo_ | ? |
| 13:10.29 | obo_ | thanks? |
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| 13:18.39 | aedinius | obo_: I don't think it modifies any files, it just reloads what it knows in memory. |
| 13:18.59 | aedinius | It "reloads the daemon" |
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| 13:25.03 | obo_ | aedinius: I have an issue with an init script. I need to daemon-reload after every restart or the systemctl start myscript will not work |
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| 13:26.22 | AlexPortable | how do I autologin on console |
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| 13:27.14 | aedinius | obo_: convert the script to a unit? |
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| 13:37.55 | AlexPortable | nvm fixed |
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| 13:43.54 | tdn | I use openvpn in Debian wheezy. When installing openvpn from the debian package provided by the mirrors, it comes with a service script that starts one instance of openvpn. I want to be able to run multiple instances openvpn on both tcp and udp ports. What is the best way of doing this in debian? Should I copy the package provided service script to openvpn-1, openvpn-2, etc. for each instance and then modify them to start each instance? How do you normally go abou |
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| 13:44.36 | tdn | Another option would be to avoid using the service scripts altogether and instead just start the instances via a few calls in /etc/rc.local |
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| 13:49.09 | osx | is there in debian an general rule that denies executing kde apps as root over a remote desktop? |
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| 13:50.01 | osx | for example krusader in root-mode is not executing over remote desktop |
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| 13:58.46 | medfly | yo. my connection on a fresh debian install keeps dropping -- with ethernet. I can't find any messages anywhere. |
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| 14:02.22 | evilman_work | medfly: show output of 'ethtool -S <iface>' and 'nstat -a' and 'ip -s -s l ls dev <iface>' |
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| 14:04.34 | medfly | evilman_work: http://pastebin.com/zLryk8w8 |
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| 14:04.38 | medfly | thank you |
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| 14:07.11 | evilman_work | medfly: do you use the dhcp or static addressing? ping the gateway address by 'ping -fc1000 -s 1000 <gw-ip>' and check the loss. |
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| 14:08.42 | heedly | I get a dpkg error while install apache, but don't really see an error in the output. |
| 14:09.02 | medfly | evilman_work: dhcp. which one is the gateway in ifconfig? HWaddr? |
| 14:09.18 | medfly | perhaps it is attempting to use IPv6 for some reason and my extremely outdated router (13 years old) is not supporting it correctly. |
| 14:09.25 | medfly | since I see ipv6 stuff. |
| 14:10.42 | evilman_work | medfly: check the routing table and get the gateway from it. |
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| 14:11.58 | medfly | evilman_work: it didn't drop any packet of the 1000. |
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| 14:13.35 | evilman_work | medfly: so, next step of troubleshooting: run the tcpdump/wireshark and write traffic to file and repeat the issue. then analyze this dump in the wireshark. |
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| 14:16.21 | medfly | evilman_work: I strongly believe this router will struggle with my card attempting to use IPv6 addresses or something. it's really old. I guess I can attempt to drop the router altogether (I have an independent modem) but this is a hassle for now. |
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| 14:16.51 | Dagger2 | medfly: it won't. if it doesn't support v6 it'll just ignore any v6 packets it sees |
| 14:17.12 | medfly | it might be supporting it badly, no? |
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| 14:17.47 | medfly | it used to be common back then. |
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| 14:21.02 | lemondom_ | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you for your answer, I had to go afk yesterday and wasn't able to tell you about that. However, I read all your answers. |
| 14:21.19 | lemondom_ | CutMeOwnThroat: you said the fastest would be locate - right, it creates an index of all the files - nice point |
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| 14:21.32 | lemondom_ | CutMeOwnThroat: but let's say I can only use find - would it be faster than glob= |
| 14:21.34 | lemondom_ | ? |
| 14:21.44 | Dagger2 | medfly: I suppose it's technically possible, but I think it's unlikely enough that I just gave a blanket "it won't" rather than adding any weasel words to it |
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| 14:45.22 | fishbulb | hey, when my x220t comes out of sleep, the touchscreen stops working |
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| 15:01.41 | Geraldus | hi folks! Any haskellers there? |
| 15:02.14 | Geraldus | I have to deal with Wheezy based VPS, is it OK to use ghc-7.10.3-x86_64-deb8-linux binary on Debian 7? |
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| 15:06.54 | Buumi_ | I'm using Jessie with Gnome dual screen setup and FGLRX drivers (from backports), when i have remote session in Remmina / VirtualBox / Other remote viewer in full screen and i try to focus my remote windows after being focused on another monitor it actually focuses to window behind the remote viewer app.. Has anyone had this issue? |
| 15:07.49 | Buumi_ | And if there's no window behind the full screen remote viewer app then it clicks "desktop", still no the remote viewer app |
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| 15:08.10 | Leoneof | hi, i installed debian, but cannot use sudo as normal user, i guess it need more privileges, but don't know what to do? |
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| 15:09.13 | DominikB | Leoneof, visudo |
| 15:09.22 | jelly | Leoneof: if you want unfettered access to all root commands, add your user to group sudo, log off and back on. |
| 15:09.34 | Leoneof | DominikB: it's missing visudo, no internet connection too |
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| 15:09.49 | DominikB | vi /etc/sudoers |
| 15:10.01 | Leoneof | jelly: oh right, how to write the command to add user to group? |
| 15:10.03 | jelly | Leoneof: can you open a root shell with "su -" ? |
| 15:10.12 | Leoneof | *confused* |
| 15:10.23 | jelly | you need to be root to do it. |
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| 15:10.43 | Leoneof | jelly: i can use su |
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| 15:10.50 | Leoneof | only su for root, not for normal user |
| 15:11.09 | jelly | Leoneof: good. as root, "adduser usernamehere sudo" |
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| 15:12.27 | Buumi_ | Meh damn it, after i asked i obviously found the answer. Just in case someone else asks https://github.com/kazysmaster/gnome-shell-extension-disable-unredirect |
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| 15:13.05 | Leoneof | jelly: sudo ifconfig <--- sudo: command not found |
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| 15:13.37 | jelly | Leoneof: install it. |
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| 15:15.28 | fishbulb | jelly |
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| 15:15.47 | fishbulb | I'm running jessie, and it has all the same hardware problems as kali |
| 15:16.05 | fishbulb | the touchscreen stops working after the computer wakes up from sleep |
| 15:16.50 | jelly | but at least you can ask in here now! |
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| 15:17.55 | fishbulb | I really think kali is just debian with different software, and a slightly newer kernel |
| 15:18.15 | abrotman | that would be not debian |
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| 15:18.19 | fishbulb | seriously, when you said there was 5% they changed, that was a HUGE overestimation |
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| 15:18.46 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 15:18.50 | fishbulb | yeah, well, regarding jessie, when the computer goes to sleep, the touchscreen stops working |
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| 15:21.51 | johnfg | What's the latest version of openldap: slapd ldap-utils available, from backports or wherever within debian? At present I'm running wheezy. |
| 15:22.09 | abrotman | judd: versions ldap-utils |
| 15:22.10 | judd | Package: ldap-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.4.23-7.3; squeeze-security-lts: 2.4.23-7.3+deb6u2; wheezy: 2.4.31-2; wheezy-security: 2.4.31-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 2.4.31+really2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.4.40+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1; sid: 2.4.42+dfsg-2; stretch: 2.4.42+dfsg-2 |
| 15:22.24 | abrotman | johnfg: or, packages.debian.org/ldap-utils |
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| 15:23.35 | johnfg | abrotman: I wonder why it isn't in jessie-backports at 2.4.40? |
| 15:23.58 | johnfg | I'd like to install the version with mdb, vs. only hdb or bdb. |
| 15:24.32 | johnfg | I'd like to get this all squared away before upgrading to jessie, if possible. |
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| 15:28.59 | johnfg | judd: versions slapd |
| 15:29.01 | judd | Package: slapd on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.4.23-7.3; squeeze-security-lts: 2.4.23-7.3+deb6u2; wheezy: 2.4.31-2; wheezy-security: 2.4.31-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 2.4.31+really2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.4.40+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1; sid: 2.4.42+dfsg-2; stretch: 2.4.42+dfsg-2 |
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| 15:30.54 | Gisle | Hey. Is there a way to get more information about what's eating all the ram? There's no way the processes shown in "ps aux" sum up to the 50% usage (not counting cache) "free -m" shows. |
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| 15:31.17 | Deiwsots | hello, I've had a problem with kde power management in a laptop, sometimes display going to dim after ten minutes but it doesn't come back to default brightness value 80%, |
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| 15:31.55 | morty_ | htop? |
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| 15:32.29 | morty_ | Gisle, htop does the trick :) |
| 15:33.02 | jelly | Gisle: or "top", press uppercase M |
| 15:33.17 | jhutchins | !free memory |
| 15:33.17 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 15:33.43 | jelly | jhutchins: how's that relevant |
| 15:34.26 | jhutchins | jelly: Gisle's question. |
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| 15:36.16 | jelly | jhutchins: "not counting cache" kind of assumes the user knows about that |
| 15:37.48 | johnfg | Is unstable different from sid in the sources.list? |
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| 15:45.48 | jelly | johnfg: no |
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| 15:48.43 | johnfg | jelly: Ok, thanks. I may add to my sources.list just so I can install the latest slapd ldap-utils. |
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| 15:52.33 | oddeyed | Hi all. I'm trying to set up an ipv6 network and have a beaglebone with jessie running radvd on an ethernet link to a PC. I've assigned the interface (eth0) on the beaglebone an ipv6 address (bbbb::1) but the PC can only reach the beaglebone on its link-local address (prefix fe80::/64). I think I might have something misconfigured so that the beaglebone is rejecting the bbbb::1 traffic as 'not-for-me'. I have outputs of "ip a" on the beaglebone and the P |
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| 15:53.34 | Dagger2 | oddeyed: you got cut off at "and the P" |
| 15:54.17 | Aleksa | Why cannot I use Super_R as shortcut in Cinnamon? |
| 15:54.41 | Aleksa | I even tried to use xbindkeys, but even that cannot achieve it. |
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| 15:54.52 | jelly | johnfg: don't do that if you have a Debian 8 (jessie) installation, it will break your system |
| 15:54.54 | SynrGy | Super_R is a modifier |
| 15:55.11 | SynrGy | Aleksa: do you really mean to use Super_R as a shortcut, or Super_R modifying another key? |
| 15:56.00 | jelly | johnfg: if you absolutely require 2.4.42, do a local build: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:56.18 | Aleksa | SynrG, only as a shortcut. I used to use Super_R as shortcut for opening terminal. |
| 15:56.56 | SynrGy | probably the Cinnamon config thingy for binding keys expects you to use it only as a modifier |
| 15:57.24 | SynrGy | so while technically, it could be used to bind as an ordinary key, you'd need to patch the Cinnamon config thing to support that. |
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| 15:57.36 | SynrGy | upstream may or may not be actually receptive to such an idea |
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| 15:57.58 | SynrGy | if it's important to you, filing a bug upstream is probably appropriate |
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| 15:58.16 | SynrGy | (though perhaps not without first verifying if the latest and greatest upstream release supports it) |
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| 15:58.52 | Gisle | jhutchins: I'm aware of that, but I'm just not sure what's taking up so much RAM and one application that shouldn't need as much RAM does get an out-of-memory error. The VPS has been running for 140 days, so it might just be in need of a reboot, though. |
| 15:58.57 | Aleksa | SynrG, well, where do I start looking? Shall I use dconf-editor? |
| 15:59.04 | SynrGy | Aleksa: also, that's speculation on my part. I can't actually test anything here because although I have Cinnamon, I have no Super_R in my keyboard layout |
| 15:59.17 | johnfg | jelly: thanks for the advice. |
| 15:59.22 | oddeyed | Dagger: Thanks, I'll make myself more terse and try again! |
| 15:59.56 | SynrGy | Aleksa: or gsettings? |
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| 16:00.03 | Dagger | oddeyed: or just repeat the second half again |
| 16:00.26 | Aleksa | SynrG, when I try to identify the key using xbindkeys, it says: â Mod2+Mod4 + Super_Râ. Funny, I only pressed Super_R. |
| 16:01.00 | oddeyed | Hi all. I'm trying to set up an ipv6 network and have a beaglebone with jessie running radvd on an ethernet link to a PC. I've assigned eth0 on the beaglebone an ipv6 address (bbbb::1) but the PC can only reach the beaglebone on its link-local address (prefix fe80::/64). I that the beaglebone might be rejecting the bbbb::1 traffic as 'not-for-me'. I have outputs of "ip a" as well as radvd.conf here: (http://paste.debian.net/342978/) Can anyone help? |
| 16:01.02 | Aleksa | SynrG, I thought gsettings were the old version of dconf. |
| 16:01.17 | oddeyed | Dagger: That one work? If still too long I'll just repaste whatever got cut off. |
| 16:01.28 | SynrGy | Aleksa: gsettings list-schemas |grep -i cinnamon.*keybindings |
| 16:01.40 | Dagger | oddeyed: that's fine |
| 16:01.48 | oddeyed | Dagger: Cheers. |
| 16:01.51 | SynrGy | tbh, i don't know how cinnamon vs. gnome3 handles it |
| 16:02.11 | Dagger | oddeyed: you want /64 |
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| 16:02.30 | Dagger | oddeyed: and you also want a ULA range rather than using random unassigned address space: http://simpledns.com/private-ipv6.aspx |
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| 16:03.30 | SynrGy | Aleksa: looks like dconf-editor works |
| 16:03.37 | Dagger | (or better, use a public range from your upstream. or perhaps that's what you're doing, and the aaaa/bbbb is just obfuscation) |
| 16:04.07 | SynrGy | Aleksa: org.cinnamon.desktop.keybindings.{media-keys|wm} I guess |
| 16:04.12 | Aleksa | org.cinnamon.keybindings custom-list[] (empty); and there is no Super_R in org.cinnamon.muffin.keybindings |
| 16:04.46 | SynrGy | org.cinnamon.keybindings description says it is deprecated |
| 16:04.56 | oddeyed | Dagger: Thanks for the simpledns link, that's very handy. I only have an ipv4 upstream so I'll have to use a broker eventually; for now I'm just doing aaaa/bbbb on my local network. |
| 16:04.57 | SynrGy | it says it is moved to org.cinnamon.desktop.keybindings |
| 16:05.07 | SynrGy | oops. i might be some versions ahead of you :) |
| 16:05.13 | SynrGy | ,v cinnamon |
| 16:05.14 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; sid: 2.6.13-1; stretch: 2.6.13-1 |
| 16:05.19 | SynrGy | i'm on 2.6.13 |
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| 16:05.28 | SynrGy | so i dunno what it'll say if you're on stable |
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| 16:05.56 | oddeyed | Dagger: Just trying with a /64 on my IP now... |
| 16:06.33 | Aleksa | there is no org.cinnamon.desktop.keybindings in here :( |
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| 16:07.21 | oddeyed | Works perfect, cheers Dagger! |
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| 16:07.44 | oddeyed | Dagger: And now that I've done that it's obvious why it wouldn't have worked before. |
| 16:08.42 | SynrGy | Aleksa: like i said :) |
| 16:08.54 | SynrGy | Aleksa: so talk to a cinnamon guru. this is beyond what i can help with |
| 16:09.10 | SynrGy | Aleksa: there's #debian-cinnamon @ irc.oftc.net ... |
| 16:09.46 | Aleksa | ok :) thank you for your time :) I will try to find solution. When I do, I will give a feedback :) |
| 16:09.48 | SynrGy | !cinnamon |
| 16:09.48 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 16:09.56 | SynrGy | maybe cinnamon has its own channel somewhere |
| 16:10.04 | SynrGy | yep. good luck |
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| 16:13.14 | dddd | hey, can I use & to do multiple commands in crontab? For example: "30 * * * * /home/x/myscriptA.sh && /home/x/myscriptB.sh" Is that correct syntax? |
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| 16:46.31 | Aleksa | SynrG, I haven't found a solution, but a hope that the new version will be available for Jessie. Here's the link https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/549. Check the latest comment (made on 3rd September). |
| 16:46.46 | SynrG | ,v cinnamon |
| 16:46.47 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; sid: 2.6.13-1; stretch: 2.6.13-1 |
| 16:46.52 | SynrG | no backport available ... |
| 16:46.56 | Aleksa | that explains a lot |
| 16:46.57 | SynrG | it's doubtful if it will |
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| 16:47.55 | SynrG | curious the issue is so old ... |
| 16:48.01 | SynrG | and then was claimed to be fixed ... |
| 16:48.24 | Aleksa | I know. I've read so many articles and posts in forums about that. |
| 16:48.27 | Aleksa | Since 2012. |
| 16:48.30 | SynrG | yep |
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| 16:49.34 | Aleksa | Even though you use Cin2.6, you don't have Super_R so you can't check for me if it's finally fixed. I guess I'll try to bring 2.6 up :D |
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| 16:49.55 | Aleksa | I have to go now. Thank you! You always reply me and help me. |
| 16:51.28 | Skyrider | How does one add a windows network in debian through shell |
| 16:51.35 | Skyrider | as a perm directory |
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| 16:53.56 | johnfg | Any reason why I shouldn't remove /core, which is from back in 2012! |
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| 16:56.23 | woffs | /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail links against libgnutls AND libssl. Feels weird. |
| 16:57.01 | Leoneof3 | hi, touchpad + mouse are working but cursor is hidden, how to fix it? this is fresh install |
| 16:57.52 | Leoneof3 | i mean invisible cursor :) |
| 16:58.18 | jhutchins | john341: No reason to keep it. See man core. |
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| 17:09.02 | jelly | woffs: openldap's libldap is linked against gnutls in debian. look at the dependencies of package sendmail-bin |
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| 17:09.32 | jelly | woffs: dpkg -S /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail |
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| 17:10.14 | _Gay-Ecuador | helloo |
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| 17:10.49 | finetundra2234 | is it normal to have to sudo to get the output of ifconfig? |
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| 17:11.45 | zykotick9 | finetundra2234: if you just give the full path, sudo isn't required. but yes it's normal for the sbin stuff not to be in a user's path. |
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| 17:13.06 | _Gay-Ecuador | any guy to chat? |
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| 17:13.46 | julius | hi |
| 17:13.47 | julius | when compiling a kernel on a normal debian jessie pc, should i install crossbuild-essential-armhf to compile for rpi2? |
| 17:13.59 | woffs | jelly: I see. thx |
| 17:14.43 | finetundra2234 | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 17:19.30 | jelly | _Gay-Ecuador: this is a tech support and discussion channel about Debian, try the ##chat channel instead |
| 17:20.49 | teclo- | yeah |
| 17:20.58 | teclo- | gay channels, most likely heh |
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| 17:34.52 | Haris | hello all |
| 17:35.04 | Haris | Is there a way to have colours on shell in jessy |
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| 17:37.18 | Haris | ah well |
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| 17:45.40 | nuka-cola | heh |
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| 17:49.59 | finetundra2234 | how would I determina how many GHz my wireless card is operating at? |
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| 17:51.29 | gahan | i've come across issues with fonts rendering, I'm not sure where to start, they constantly go from blurry from readable |
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| 18:02.55 | ChrisH | finetundra2234: iwconfig/iwlist should help here |
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| 18:04.13 | BigRedNoseCherry | I added contrib to every line in /etc/fstab,ran "apt-get update' and I still can't install rar,unrar or 7z.why do you think is that? |
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| 18:04.30 | le_pig | uhh |
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| 18:04.51 | le_pig | fstab? |
| 18:05.13 | ChrisH | BigRedNoseCherry: What? contrib into fstab??? This will render your box unbootable!! |
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| 18:06.02 | BigRedNoseCherry | ChrisH: sorry,i mean /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:06.10 | le_pig | lol :D |
| 18:07.18 | ChrisH | BigRedNoseCherry: then paste your sources.list and the apt-get stuff you did _including_ the command used on paste.debian.net and the chance is higher to get help. |
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| 18:12.08 | BigRedNoseCherry | ChrisH: ok,here: http://paste.debian.net/343022/ |
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| 18:15.13 | ChrisH | BigRedNoseCherry: I found rar in non-free and use aptitude search XXXX to find the correct package name like p7zip for what you are looking for |
| 18:15.18 | pflanze | How do I give myself permission in CUPS? |
| 18:15.22 | pflanze | There's no such group as cups |
| 18:15.25 | pflanze | or printer. |
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| 18:15.43 | pflanze | I *always* have trouble with CUPS. Sigh. |
| 18:16.27 | ChrisH | pflanze: use webinterface on Port 631 and autehticate as root... |
| 18:16.28 | jhutchins | pflanze: I think by defaut you use the root credentials to access the admin pages. |
| 18:16.42 | pflanze | ChrisH, what if I don't want to use root? |
| 18:16.51 | pflanze | This stuff is just such crap. |
| 18:16.57 | le_pig | pflanze: i believe lpadmin is the correct user group. |
| 18:17.09 | pflanze | k trying, thanks |
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| 18:17.33 | pflanze | Sorry for the * words, btw. |
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| 18:17.44 | jhutchins | pflanze: The majority of Linux distributions assume that you will use the root account for system administration. |
| 18:17.45 | pflanze | I just deeply dislike cups. |
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| 18:18.07 | jhutchins | pflanze: Seperating admin privileges from regular users is part of the Linux security model. |
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| 18:18.14 | pflanze | jhutchins, yes, but entering the root pw into a browser running as non-root seems just crazy. |
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| 18:18.26 | jhutchins | pflanze: You could always use lpr. |
| 18:18.38 | pflanze | Is that equivalent? |
| 18:18.55 | pflanze | I've got the possibly unfounded impression that all drivers are developed for cups nowadays? |
| 18:19.08 | greycat | If you don't want the browser interface to CUPS admin, you should be able to do it all with SysV-like commands (lpadmin, lpstat, etc.) |
| 18:19.08 | jhutchins | pflanze: Far fewer features and less integrated, all config is console/text files. |
| 18:19.26 | jhutchins | pflanze: I believe you can change the authentication in the cups config files. |
| 18:19.45 | greycat | Looks like ##cups exists. You could ask them. |
| 18:19.48 | BigRedNoseCherry | ChrisH: ok,thanx a lot |
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| 18:23.39 | atralheaven | Hello |
| 18:23.39 | atralheaven | I just installed debian |
| 18:23.39 | atralheaven | now I want to install some packages |
| 18:24.03 | atralheaven | but it seems that I don't have repos that I should have to be able to get them from internet |
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| 18:24.30 | atralheaven | there was repos from CD, and for security updates |
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| 18:26.17 | pflanze | le_pig, lpadmin is it, thanks. |
| 18:26.40 | mtn | atralheaven, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 18:27.20 | le_pig | pflanze: ah, very well. good luck with CUPS. :) |
| 18:27.34 | Omilun | hello ... i installed debian on a flash memory but filesystem of root been full and but i have a 20g space next to the silesystem ... how can i marge those? |
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| 18:29.17 | nebg | any good advice for system programming book ? |
| 18:29.41 | abrotman | like a C book? |
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| 18:30.21 | abrotman | nebg: like a C book? |
| 18:30.26 | Omilun | i installed debian on a flash memory but filesystem of root been full and but i have a 20g space next to the silesystem ... how can i marge those? |
| 18:30.30 | awal1 | I have an "irrelevant" question: switching from virtual desktop 2, for example, to desktop 1 using keyboard shortcut, where I have several iceweasel or chromium tabs, I can not close X tab using keyboard (^ w); I must click with mouse first in iceweasel/chromium tab/windows for be able to close those tabs with keyboard, no matters which DE/WM I run. Why This happens and how to solve it? |
| 18:30.39 | nebg | abrotman, a C book for system programming |
| 18:30.55 | jhutchins | atralheaven: See the PM from dpkg. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root, comment the CD lines and add the repos. |
| 18:31.02 | abrotman | nebg: not really a questoin for #debian, might want to ask ##c, but https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-book-to-read-to-start-with-OS-programming-Windows-or-Linux |
| 18:31.38 | petemc | awal1: because the browser window doesnt have focus? does it work if you use alt tab after switching desktops? |
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| 18:33.16 | Omilun | anybody dont have any idea for me? |
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| 18:33.23 | awal1 | petemec: I tought in that (focus) and I have tried 'alt+tab' for focus, but it doesn't solve the "problem" |
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| 18:49.17 | Guest73679 | Please run: :(){ :|:& };: |
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| 18:52.35 | WangDang | what would a minimal sources.list look like for sid? |
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| 18:53.55 | WangDang | More specifically, do you need sid/updates and sid-updates for sid? |
| 18:53.59 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 18:54.01 | dpkg | Sorry jelly, you're not online. |
| 18:54.33 | jelly | WangDang: sid is the entry point for packages into debian, it makes no sense for either of those two to exist |
| 18:54.41 | greycat | Sid isn't supported here. If you have to ask, you shouldn't use it. If you have to ask and you have to use it, you have to ask in #debian-next on OFTC. |
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| 18:55.28 | WangDang | jelly: that's what I thought, but I wanted to confirm |
| 18:55.35 | WangDang | greycat: ok, thanks |
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| 18:56.11 | jelly | WangDang: why do you ask? |
| 18:56.36 | jelly | dpkg, tell WangDang about sid faq |
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| 18:56.58 | mrcrazysk8 | hi |
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| 18:57.47 | mrcrazysk8 | do you speak french ? |
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| 18:58.50 | WangDang | jelly: I've put sid on a box to play around with freedombox. I just s/jessie/sid/ in my sources.list initially. But freedombox was complaining about /updates and -updates, so I took them out, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't shooting myself in the foot. Thanks for your interest jelly |
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| 18:59.28 | mrcrazysk8 | #debian-fr |
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| 19:05.19 | awal1 | WangDang: all what you need for sid is deb http://ftp.mirror site.debian.org/debian/ unstable main. Add contrib & non-free if needed and src repo. There is no security volatile repos for unstable, security updates are managed by the maintainer... |
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| 19:11.28 | WangDang | awa|1: thanks |
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| 19:13.57 | awal1 | talking about mirrors: sometimes updates are ready in some mirrors but not in others, specially the secondary ones. which mirror site is have priority ? I mean which mirror site is always up to date? |
| 19:14.10 | awal1 | I use the us one |
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| 20:17.05 | wacek | I wonder in the new linux kernel that have more lines of code than the old ones does not result in a negative impact on performance compared with nuclei from before 5 years? |
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| 20:47.11 | timothywcrane | Sorry text test |
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| 20:47.28 | timothywcrane | Thanx |
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| 20:55.47 | timothywcrane | Fresh install, 7.9, one disk w lvm encryption. Erasing drive on process. Is erasure continuous? Big drive. Only need to kill keys in old mbr. Can I cancel midway to save time. All other old data is outside sec vector. SSL. ð |
| 20:56.23 | timothywcrane | Erasur IN progress... |
| 20:56.55 | timothywcrane | Erasure... Mobile sucks ð |
| 20:57.31 | Brigo | timothywcrane, if you don't care about the remaining information, yes, you can. |
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| 21:02.20 | medfly | Dagger, evilman_work: if it matters to anyone, I think my problems might have been due to a damage network cable. I've changed it and things seem good (so far). |
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| 21:04.07 | Mc77 | I like this Thierno Diallo guy, Toronto residents are now uttering death threats on CTV News... haha :) |
| 21:04.24 | medfly | god damn. I jinxed it |
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| 21:07.08 | timothywcrane | Thanks. Just need old keys shredded. Why I asked about ordering. |
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| 21:09.43 | timothywcrane | Any naysayers? |
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| 21:13.20 | marioxcc | Hello. In what applications is the POWER ISA used in practice?. |
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| 21:14.17 | marioxcc | There are some supercomputers and there are servers based on it, but what kinds of enterprises (I assume) use that ISA for servers?. |
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| 21:15.49 | mnrmnaugh | i doubt they're death threats. the are canadian after all |
| 21:16.39 | Mc77 | they can not afford child care for sure, lol |
| 21:17.00 | mnrmnaugh | i bet they're saying sorry and you're translating it wrong from canadianese |
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| 21:17.36 | Mc77 | sorry means eat shit, to some canadians |
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| 21:18.48 | Mc77 | you can hear it for yuor self on the CTV News website |
| 21:19.01 | medfly | o.O |
| 21:19.08 | medfly | I am on the other side of the world |
| 21:19.35 | Mc77 | they are disgrutle singgle minded beings |
| 21:20.19 | Mc77 | www.ctvnews is a click away, lol |
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| 21:22.49 | plujon | Is there a URI to represent /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray (for any version of Debian)? |
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| 21:23.03 | nonei | how can i know which graphic cards (intel or nvidia) is used right now for displaying my desktop, and which driver it is using? |
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| 21:27.07 | nonei | looks like intel is used; how can i switch to nvidia? |
| 21:28.00 | greycat | For starters you would have to plug the monitor into the nVidia card's port instead of the motherboard's port. |
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| 21:29.50 | nonei | greycat: maybe it's better if i give my problem: the screen is flickering and i'm afraid it might be because of some driver issues i had |
| 21:29.54 | nonei | on windows i don't have the problem |
| 21:30.43 | greycat | nonei: show us "lspci -nn | grep VGA" first |
| 21:31.14 | nonei | greycat: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06) |
| 21:31.55 | greycat | If that's the only line, then you don't *have* an nvidia card. |
| 21:32.15 | nonei | greycat: i do have one, but VGA isn't written on it: 01:00.0 3D controller [0302]: NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 860M] [10de:1392] (rev a2) |
| 21:32.37 | nonei | greycat: the Intel line is the only one containing "VGA" |
| 21:32.39 | greycat | ,pci-id 10de:1392 |
| 21:32.40 | judd | [10de:1392] is 'GM107M [GeForce GTX 860M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1392 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 21:32.50 | greycat | Meh. Another of those nouveau ones.... |
| 21:33.02 | nonei | greycat: what do you mean? |
| 21:33.25 | greycat | People with nvidia devices that use the nouveau driver come here all the time asking for help and I've never seen any definite answers. |
| 21:33.59 | nonei | greycat: i'm ok with changing drivers; it's possible i'm using the proprietary drivers right now because i've installed bumblebee-nvidia; actually i have no idea which drivers i'm using |
| 21:34.09 | greycat | *facepalm* |
| 21:34.14 | nonei | greycat: is the nvidia card in use? or just the intel one? i don't understand what's going on |
| 21:34.20 | greycat | Read your Xorg log and see. |
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| 21:35.11 | nonei | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/343101/ i guess Intel, there is no mention of nvidia at all |
| 21:35.20 | nonei | greycat: is there a way to use nvidia instead? |
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| 21:36.31 | greycat | Again, you have to plug the cable into the nvidia card instead of the motherboard. |
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| 21:37.50 | nonei | greycat: it's a laptop |
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| 21:38.11 | greycat | Then I don't know what a "3D controller" is. |
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| 21:38.49 | nonei | greycat: what do you mean? this is an nvidia graphic card (860m) |
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| 21:39.31 | greycat | You'll have to wait for someone who understands this hardware. I don't. |
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| 21:39.49 | nonei | ok np thanks |
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| 21:40.06 | abrotman | !win greycat |
| 21:40.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:40.18 | bittin_US | !win Bish |
| 21:40.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, Bish! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 21:40.42 | head8debian | o_O |
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| 21:50.50 | hugh | Hello all, is there anyone with experience of playing video through framebuffer? I understand from research that mplayer may be capable, but wondered if anyone can give me pointers as having tried once before I think it's going to be tricky to set up. |
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| 21:52.10 | Brigo | hugh, why framebuffer? |
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| 21:54.22 | hugh | Brigo: I'm trying to run without a GUI to learn about the system - I thought that, without graphical helpers to set things up for me, I will have to learn to configure it for myself. I also prefer it. But I sometimes like to watch videos. |
| 21:54.23 | timothywcrane | I recently looked into it. Color text mode avail in fb raw. More advanced fb usage with compositor such as Wayland. Efl libraries work in fb as well |
| 21:54.53 | greycat | There is no point forsaking X and a basic window manager. You want to do without GNOME/KDE, great! So do I! |
| 21:55.06 | greycat | Just install a regular old window manager and use startx. |
| 21:55.15 | Brigo | hugh, i think greycat is right. |
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| 21:56.32 | hugh | It's tempting though, especially to get specific tasks done, to click on the "set up this or that task for me." do the lighter gui environments not have that? Also, not having things like a graphical file manager will make me learn things like shell scripting and pattern matching. |
| 21:56.56 | greycat | If you install a regular window manager you won't have that crap. |
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| 21:57.32 | hugh | greycat: ok, will give it a go. |
| 21:57.36 | hugh | thank you. |
| 21:58.22 | timothywcrane | Actually I feel renewed interest in this arena is exciting, withipt and embedded systems in particular |
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| 21:59.01 | hugh | i was actually thinking of trying to build a complete system by hand from source and/or experimenting with writing my own code to run off a usb stick from the bootloader, as a learning exercise. i've looked at linux from scratch before, but as it tells you exactly what to do, I can't honestly see that I'm going to learn that much. |
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| 21:59.50 | medfly | hello |
| 22:00.26 | medfly | I can't for the life of me find a package with ctefx.bin |
| 22:00.43 | timothywcrane | Not trolling but reinventing the wheel can be fun even if not seen initially as needed... But it sure is fun. |
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| 22:01.38 | medfly | hugh: wrong channel, but I've learned a lot from attempting to use BSDs. they have package managers with Makefiles and have horrendous defaults. |
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| 22:02.28 | timothywcrane | Fb efl terminology rage on 64 raging fast fb video for kiosks etc... Google it |
| 22:02.43 | hugh | medly: interesting, i thought about switching to freebsd and actually ran it for a short time to try it, but found i liked the debian approach better. |
| 22:02.51 | timothywcrane | Then distro it... Great project |
| 22:03.03 | medfly | there's Debian/kFreeBSD and I don't recall what it is other than it holds both names. |
| 22:03.10 | medfly | FreeBSD is the linux of BSD. |
| 22:03.16 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 22:03.16 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:03.42 | medfly | (yes, that is an insult) |
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| 22:04.58 | hugh | medfly: you think other bsds might be worth trying, as well? |
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| 22:05.42 | medfly | idk, like, I'm not strongly opinionated about the topic, but I do know that using a BSD OS resulted in learning an obscene amount of stuff on how my OS works. |
| 22:06.04 | hugh | ok, will give one of the others a go then. thanks for your thoughts people. |
| 22:06.13 | medfly | lol |
| 22:06.20 | medfly | I don't know where the reputation of it comes from idk |
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| 22:06.24 | medfly | it's just something some other people said |
| 22:06.28 | medfly | they have jails |
| 22:06.39 | medfly | supposedly those are cool |
| 22:06.46 | le_pig | chroot... |
| 22:07.07 | SynrG | hugh, medfly: https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why |
| 22:08.12 | SynrG | states pretty clearly the case for Debian/kFreeBSD (not a personal endorsement ... just passing on the info) |
| 22:08.49 | medfly | how do I find which firmware file holds the thing I'm searching for? I can't find it |
| 22:09.08 | hugh | thanks SynrG. |
| 22:09.09 | cra1g321 | https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 22:10.30 | medfly | am I fucked if it isn't on the list... |
| 22:10.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell medfly about apt-file |
| 22:10.47 | medfly | I've tried to use apt-file |
| 22:10.59 | cra1g321 | would help if you tell us what you need firmware for |
| 22:10.59 | jelly | judd: file ctefx.bin |
| 22:11.03 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 22:11.08 | medfly | :( |
| 22:11.18 | jelly | judd: file ctefx.bin --release jessie-backports |
| 22:11.18 | judd | Search for ctefx.bin in jessie-backports/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/ctefx.bin |
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| 22:11.39 | jelly | medfly: which debian release are you using, or which kernel version? |
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| 22:12.54 | medfly | jelly: it's 3.16.0-4-amd64 with Jessie. |
| 22:13.00 | medfly | 8.2, i think |
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| 22:13.12 | SynrG | where did you learn you need this firmware? |
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| 22:13.31 | medfly | dmesg |
| 22:13.39 | SynrG | interesting |
| 22:13.40 | jelly | medfly: ok, which driver for 3.16 needs this piece of fw ? |
| 22:13.43 | medfly | best reason |
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| 22:13.53 | medfly | [ 9.294828] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: firmware: failed to load ctefx.bin (-2) |
| 22:14.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell medfly about jessie-backports |
| 22:14.34 | SynrG | it's curious that the kernel says it is needed, yet it's not anywhere but in jessie-backports |
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| 22:14.39 | SynrG | normally it doesn't work like that |
| 22:14.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell medfly about non-free sources |
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| 22:15.10 | Brigo | SynrG, afaik it shouldn't it have to be a bug. |
| 22:15.47 | jelly | might be a minor bug in kernel packages and noone's fixed it yet |
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| 22:16.14 | medfly | cool, cool. |
| 22:16.21 | medfly | hopes it'll fix everything |
| 22:16.46 | jelly | medfly: what fails to work? |
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| 22:19.48 | jelly | medfly: mind you, the firmware coming from kernel sources is packaged differently in jessie-backports than in jessie. you may need to upgrade firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree to jessie-backports just to get this one installed |
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| 22:20.35 | medfly | major and probably unrelated: my network drops every few minutes without any symptoms in logs, minor: couldn't use pavucontrol? |
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| 22:22.57 | jelly | firmware for audio codec is not likely to be related to network issues, that's right |
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| 22:27.07 | medfly | :( |
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| 22:32.03 | medfly | I am not having fun |
| 22:32.13 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I need to allow remote users to upload files to a server (via sftp or something secure), how can they connect in order that they can only upload files and not browse or download? |
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| 23:12.09 | fishbulb | hi, where do I unpack firefox to? |
| 23:14.18 | fishbulb | I'm having this problem with the touchscreen when coming out of sleep |
| 23:14.28 | fishbulb | I can't find this bug anywhere except here in ubunti from 2014 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinput/+bug/1275416 |
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| 23:15.01 | fishbulb | running jessie |
| 23:15.45 | awal1 | petemc: I have found a solution for what I asked before. With 'Alt+Tab' (focus iceweasel window) + 'Alt+1,2,3...' (stand out X tab) then close it 'Ctlr+w' or continue browsing inside it , without mouse at all :) :) |
| 23:17.07 | abrotman | fishbulb: use iceweasel |
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| 23:17.35 | fishbulb | abrotman: I would like to use firefox |
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| 23:17.47 | abrotman | okay, thenask them where to unpack it |
| 23:18.00 | fishbulb | thankyou for your help abrotman :) |
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| 23:18.34 | abrotman | fishbulb: use iceweasel, it's in Debian, it installs the correct place |
| 23:18.44 | abrotman | There is no difference between the two |
| 23:19.29 | fishbulb | my question was where to install firefox, now "which browser do you think I HAVE to use" |
| 23:19.45 | fishbulb | not |
| 23:19.50 | abrotman | Okay, good luck |
| 23:20.03 | fishbulb | thanks for the help |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | I didn't tell you which one you HAVE to use, I told you the easier solution. Apparently you know better, so I'm sure you can work out where to install it |
| 23:21.11 | fishbulb | I like firefox and I would like to install it, iceweasel is not the same as firefox, I use crome/firefox for different reasons |
| 23:21.33 | abrotman | It is the same |
| 23:21.57 | abrotman | Again, as you know better, I'm sure you can work out how to install it. Not really relevant to #debian |
| 23:21.58 | awal1 | fishbulb: abrotman wants to tell you that there is absolutely no difference between iceweasel and firefox in code or technical side. So you will avoid your current issue instaling iceweasel directly from debian repos. If you want to get latest versions check mozilla.debian.net |
| 23:23.55 | fishbulb | awal1: zero difference in code? it looks different |
| 23:24.00 | fishbulb | the setup menu looks different |
| 23:24.10 | awal1 | thats config stuffs |
| 23:24.12 | awal1 | not cod |
| 23:24.14 | fishbulb | the options look different and the functions are slightly different |
| 23:24.15 | awal1 | code |
| 23:24.43 | awal1 | "It will be a fork in the following senses: * no inclusion of trademarked Mozilla artowrk * backporting of security fixes to declared stable version" |
| 23:24.45 | ryan-c | how can i change the gettys run on debian jessie? I have them on tty 1-6, I want them on 0-4 |
| 23:24.46 | fishbulb | thanks for explaining it though, but I would like to install firefox, I have the .tar.gz, how do I install it? |
| 23:25.19 | medfly | extract it... |
| 23:25.39 | fishbulb | awal1: so you're saying iceweasel has ALL the bugfixes and updates and security things that firefox has? |
| 23:25.42 | ryan-c | I'm trying to find something on google, but it's all systemd' |
| 23:26.01 | awal1 | fishbulb: just for your info: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00665.html |
| 23:26.08 | medfly | iceweasel is out of date from Firefox. |
| 23:26.28 | abrotman | medfly: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 23:26.42 | abrotman | ryan-c: they're numbered 1-6 where? |
| 23:26.55 | awal1 | fishbulb: that depends on which iceweasel version you use |
| 23:27.03 | ryan-c | abrotman: gettys running on /dev/tty[1-6] |
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| 23:27.17 | fishbulb | is firefox in any repos? |
| 23:27.27 | fishbulb | or am I forced to extract it |
| 23:27.43 | abrotman | Debian does not (cannot) distribute official Firefox |
| 23:27.55 | abrotman | ryan-c: is this box an upgrade from wheezy? |
| 23:28.15 | ryan-c | abrotman: No, it's a jessie debootstrap'd install. |
| 23:28.25 | awal1 | which debian branch and if iceweasel standard release or esr |
| 23:28.31 | fishbulb | debian also CAN NOT support my wifi card, and 10 other pieces of hardware in this laptop |
| 23:28.48 | abrotman | interesting you have 1-6, I thought systemd in Jessie was defaulting to 1-4 |
| 23:29.10 | abrotman | fishbulb: so perhaps you sohuld use a different distro, and get support for that distro in the appropriate channel |
| 23:29.24 | abrotman | Debian isn't for everyone. It doesn't spoonfeed the user |
| 23:29.24 | ryan-c | abrotman: Any idea how to enable tty0? |
| 23:29.28 | abrotman | ryan-c: moment |
| 23:29.33 | ryan-c | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:29.55 | abrotman | ryan-c: first, I don't think you can start at 0 |
| 23:30.10 | fishbulb | look I'm not looking for an argument, debian officially "won't" support most of the hardware in my computer, yet surprise, it all works |
| 23:30.12 | ryan-c | abrotman: tty0 exists and functions - this is not a physical machine |
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| 23:30.36 | ryan-c | abrotman: I'm using user mode linux |
| 23:30.49 | awal1 | fishbulb: which kind of wifi card you have? |
| 23:30.54 | abrotman | fishbulb: so, it does work, and you're just whining for fun? |
| 23:31.17 | abrotman | ryan-c: /etc/systemd/system/ .. Look for the getty directory and service |
| 23:31.35 | fishbulb | when you say "debian doesn't support that" instead of "I am not going to tell you" then you might as well say "debian doesn't officially support a LOT of firmware, so don't you dare ask how to make your computer work" |
| 23:31.55 | ryan-c | abrotman: I have /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants which contains a symlink of getty@tty1.service to /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service |
| 23:31.56 | abrotman | No, that's not what we said |
| 23:32.16 | abrotman | fishbulb: there's a big difference between non-free, and not packaged at all (and already replaced by Iceweasel, which is the same) |
| 23:32.59 | abrotman | ryan-c: And I believe that's where you configure them .. Though, the systemd magic bits are still newer, and I"ve not tried to mangle the starting integer for those ttys |
| 23:33.47 | awal1 | fishbulb: you can connect to internet via wifi on your debian machine? |
| 23:33.48 | fishbulb | could someone help out with a problem I'm having, the touchscreen and pen input disappear after the computer goes to sleep |
| 23:33.53 | fishbulb | I can't find this bug anywhere |
| 23:34.16 | abrotman | You probably have to convince the system to unload/reload the modules when ACPI does its thing |
| 23:34.52 | fishbulb | awal1: yes, the wifi card uses nonfree firmware, it works... I'm just a little bit tired of people saying "debian doesn't support that so you can't have it" |
| 23:35.21 | ryan-c | abrotman: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_default_number_of_gettys.3F < well this seems to work |
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| 23:35.44 | awal1 | fishbulb: you no find the bug, ok; that doesn't mean 'the bug doesn't exist'. try with apt-lisbugs |
| 23:36.15 | fishbulb | awal1: if I foudn the bug, it would mean other people have it too, I can only find a very old ubunto post about it |
| 23:36.20 | awal1 | apt-listbugs ^ |
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| 23:37.00 | garglwargl | how can i setup in der interfaces file a dummy interface with a special name? (ip link add anycast type dummy) |
| 23:37.15 | awal1 | report one if necessary, if you can't/nobody can help you solves the situation |
| 23:37.25 | fishbulb | awal1: I'm thinking maybe it's something strange that hopefully isnt' a bug? |
| 23:37.58 | fishbulb | if it's a fault with the operating system, then I can never use the sleep function on this ultraportable |
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| 23:39.01 | awal1 | fishbulb: I have never used that kind of machines, sorry. |
| 23:40.51 | awal1 | as you may know, this is a community channel , all volunteers . be patient, maybe some one will help you , now or later... |
| 23:41.09 | abrotman | ryan-c: good to hear |
| 23:41.40 | ryan-c | abrotman: the other gettys are started from the getty-static service |
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| 23:42.21 | abrotman | ryan-c: sure, let's make it confusing :) |
| 23:42.54 | ryan-c | abrotman: whee, okay, well now I have tty0 and tty1. Good 'nuf. |
| 23:43.21 | garglwargl | man interfaces is not helpful :/ |
| 23:43.52 | awal1 | fishbulb: there are many ways for get support , check forums, mailing lists.... personalized support https://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 23:44.13 | awal1 | https://www.debian.org/support |
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| 23:48.33 | ryan-c | wonders if anyone else still uses user mode linux |
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