| 00:00.07 | ewew | Is it normal to have load 1000 when compiling kernel ? Dont know ho this happend. :P |
| 00:00.56 | ewew | *how |
| 00:02.13 | medfly | OK, *finally* I have a working network. I restarted the router, modem, and replugged in everythign to make sure the connection is not loose (and replaced a cable). and installed firmware. and rebooted. and installed more firmware and rebooted again. |
| 00:02.30 | medfly | needs a break. trying to use the Internet when it dies every 2 minutes is hugely frustrating. |
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| 00:03.31 | humbot | hmm, |
| 00:05.22 | ewew | Which package is missing when can not build kernel with deb-pkg ? |
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| 00:06.00 | somiaj | ewew: what do you mean? What is the error you get? |
| 00:06.36 | somiaj | ewew: usually build-essential should be enough to compile a kernel |
| 00:06.41 | ewew | it just failed on final step for kernel compile. Its a 4.2.7 kernel. |
| 00:07.04 | ewew | and hostname command missing. :P |
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| 00:07.40 | somiaj | since hostname is a required package, that seems very suspicious |
| 00:07.49 | ewew | but its present. |
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| 00:10.53 | ewew | Other thing that was not working was make menuconfig. |
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| 00:11.21 | ewew | It looks like depedency are a little loose. |
| 00:11.26 | somiaj | sounds like you should review a doc about compling a kernel on debian. But that is usually because of missing ncurses-dev |
| 00:11.36 | somiaj | or libncurses5-dev or whatever version it is at now |
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| 00:11.57 | ewew | yeah i know now. it was telling me that. :) |
| 00:15.16 | andril | hello |
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| 00:24.52 | ewew | It fails with this error scripts/package/Makefile:90: recipe for target 'deb-pkg' failed |
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| 00:32.06 | awal1 | Is there any command line RADIO player? Something like radiotray but ncurses or terminal based; something like cmus, but only for radio |
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| 00:34.17 | bit1 | awal1, apt-cache show radio |
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| 00:37.06 | abrotman | awal1: for streaming ? |
| 00:37.56 | awal1 | bit1: great. thanks. have did a search but no luck. I dont know how I dont found it |
| 00:38.06 | awal1 | abrotman: just for listen online |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | awal1: for what kind of radio? |
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| 00:39.29 | awal1 | abrotman: I usually listen to this http://uplink.duplexfx.com:8020/ using radiotray |
| 00:39.43 | awal1 | live classical guitar radio |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | so, why not use radiotray? |
| 00:40.52 | fishbulb | hey I can't find this bug |
| 00:41.06 | fishbulb | I found it on an OLD ubuntu forum |
| 00:41.08 | fishbulb | two years old |
| 00:41.29 | fishbulb | when the computer comes out of suspend, the touchscreen and wacom pen digitizer have both disappeared from lsusb |
| 00:41.37 | awal1 | abrotman: so with it I can listen that radio without a browser |
| 00:41.38 | fishbulb | (these things are in the screen) |
| 00:42.09 | awal1 | abrotman: oh, sorry, misunderstood you :D |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | judd: info radio |
| 00:42.11 | judd | Package radio (sound, extra) in jessie/amd64: ncurses-based radio application. Version: 3.103-3+b1; Size: 52.9k; Installed: 81k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/radio |
| 00:42.14 | abrotman | awal1: like that? |
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| 00:42.59 | awal1 | abrotman: yes like that as bit1 suggested |
| 00:43.14 | awal1 | I like ncurses based stuffs, cmus, etc |
| 00:43.29 | awal1 | so wanna try for radio |
| 00:44.06 | awal1 | i like use guake or tilda (drop down terminal with cmus, and soon 'radio', for avoid mouse |
| 00:44.52 | fishbulb | :o |
| 00:45.11 | fishbulb | you can make the tilde bring up the terminal? |
| 00:45.32 | awal1 | thanks guys, I'll try 'radio' pack :) |
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| 00:49.00 | Turkeyvos | Hello |
| 00:49.06 | Turkeyvos | I downloaded debian ISO onto a USB drive |
| 00:49.18 | Turkeyvos | am I now ready to buy a system without an OS? |
| 00:49.29 | Turkeyvos | I'll just stick the USB into the system when I turn it on? |
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| 00:50.22 | abrotman | Downloaded? |
| 00:50.50 | Turkeyvos | Yes |
| 00:50.56 | Turkeyvos | downloaded debian ISO onto my USB drive |
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| 00:52.11 | Turkeyvos | When I stuck the USB into the system |
| 00:52.16 | Turkeyvos | will it automatically install the ISO? |
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| 00:54.55 | Turkeyvos | With support like this |
| 00:55.00 | Turkeyvos | no one is going to use debian |
| 00:55.07 | Turkeyvos | sheesH guys! |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | You didn't tell us how you "downloaded" it |
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| 00:56.13 | cra1g321 | "will it automatically install the ISO?" do you mean when you plug it in to your machine, will it auto install debian ? |
| 00:56.13 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 00:56.22 | Turkeyvos | I downloaded it from the web |
| 00:56.25 | Turkeyvos | onto my USB drive |
| 00:56.27 | Turkeyvos | ISO file |
| 00:56.43 | Turkeyvos | yes, now if I put the USB into the system without an OS will it install debian automatically |
| 00:56.46 | Turkeyvos | ? |
| 00:56.50 | cra1g321 | <Turkeyvos> plus try wait longer than 3mins before bitching |
| 00:57.33 | cra1g321 | so now you have the iso file as a single file on the usb pen drive ? |
| 00:57.47 | Turkeyvos | yes |
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| 00:58.08 | cra1g321 | well then when u reboot with it plugged in, it will do nothing |
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| 00:58.39 | Turkeyvos | why? |
| 00:58.47 | Turkeyvos | what do I do to make it install the ISO? |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | Because you didn't follow the installation instructions |
| 00:59.15 | tobiasBora | I have a problem with a Mediatek bluetooth and wifi card. It is not recognised by default in the system. With kernel < 3.9, I used the repo https://github.com/kuba-moo/mt7630e, that I compile myself. (You can note that a strange thing is that the Bluetooth works by default on debian Stable, but not with testing, and that wifi never works without a manuall compilation. |
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| 00:59.55 | Turkeyvos | why won't it install the ISO from the USB and what do I do to get it to work? |
| 01:00.11 | cra1g321 | <Turkeyvos> if you have access to a windows machine use win32diskimager |
| 01:00.25 | cra1g321 | there is also ways to do it on linux, which some guru can tell you about |
| 01:00.27 | Turkeyvos | no access to a windows machine |
| 01:00.33 | Turkeyvos | just my surface RT |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | that is Windows .. |
| 01:00.47 | Turkeyvos | RT though |
| 01:00.53 | Turkeyvos | it doesn't work with any windows programs |
| 01:01.01 | tobiasBora | However now I'm on kernel 4.2, I cannot compile my driver anymore : I have an error : |
| 01:01.03 | tobiasBora | mt7630e/rt2x00/rt2x00mac.c:359:6: error: âFIF_PROMISC_IN_BSSâ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:01.05 | tobiasBora | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.26 | Turkeyvos | looks like I'll have to get a Windows machine before I get a machine without an OS? |
| 01:01.33 | tobiasBora | If you know how to solve this problem I would be really happy ! |
| 01:01.46 | Turkeyvos | Can I do it on Chrome OS? |
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| 01:02.20 | Dev0n | hey, anyone know if it's worth gziping before calling Duplicity? not sure if Duplicity could do better without the content not being gziped in the first place. |
| 01:02.29 | head8debian | Turkeyvos: Not as far as i know, you will have to find either a machine already running windows or one running linux. |
| 01:03.13 | Turkeyvos | That is a problem. It means I need to buy a Windows box. |
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| 01:03.22 | shawn | Turkeyvos: you can do it from chromeos |
| 01:03.33 | teraflops | head8debian: so you cannot do dd iso of usb in a chomebook? |
| 01:03.49 | shawn | teraflops: you can, provided you have developer terminal |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | would probably borrow a friend's computer |
| 01:03.58 | Turkeyvos | Put the Chrome OS into developer mode? |
| 01:04.27 | shawn | Turkeyvos: yeah and ten you can use ctrl+alt+f2 to get to a new VT |
| 01:04.31 | shawn | and then dd it |
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| 01:04.37 | head8debian | abrotman: You *could*, but its much less risky in this case to borrow a friends computer. |
| 01:04.53 | head8debian | And much easier. |
| 01:04.54 | shawn | it's not risky, everyone uses developer mode :/ |
| 01:04.59 | head8debian | :-) |
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| 01:05.20 | shawn | yes it's easier to borrow someone elses PC and use win32diskimager |
| 01:05.21 | fishbulb | I can't find the bug I'm having, when I put this thinkpad x220tablet to sleep, and bring it out of sleep, the touchpad and wacom pen input doesn't work, I have to reboot |
| 01:05.24 | Turkeyvos | what's risky about Chrome OS in developer mode? |
| 01:05.30 | shawn | there is no risk |
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| 01:05.35 | head8debian | Nothing. |
| 01:05.39 | fishbulb | being an "ultraportable" this is something that has to work |
| 01:05.43 | shawn | well the only risk is you're not protected from yourself |
| 01:05.48 | Turkeyvos | then why did he say its much less risky? |
| 01:05.53 | teraflops | shawn: heh |
| 01:06.00 | shawn | but you arent usually protected with windows or linux |
| 01:06.01 | head8debian | But dd becomes a deadly weapon when its not used properly. |
| 01:06.21 | head8debian | Its a very nice weapon though. :) |
| 01:06.26 | teraflops | head8debian: you can use cp debianiso /dev/whatever |
| 01:06.35 | teraflops | less risky? |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | head8debian: huh? |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | fishbulb: I suggested you learn how to unload/reload modules, apparently you ignored me |
| 01:07.17 | head8debian | Never mind. |
| 01:07.21 | fishbulb | head8debian: I dd'd an iso onyl a 4 terabyte drive accidentally |
| 01:07.26 | fishbulb | onto |
| 01:07.36 | Turkeyvos | How does Debian compare to Chrome OS? |
| 01:07.50 | fishbulb | abrotman: no I didn't ignore you, I didn't see what you said, what am I supposed to do with modules? |
| 01:07.50 | shawn | Turkeyvos: my chromebook has debian on it, so i'm biased. |
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| 01:08.04 | Turkeyvos | Why didn't you like Chrome? |
| 01:08.17 | shawn | because i bought the chromebook to put debian on it xD |
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| 01:08.40 | Turkeyvos | Then what makes Debian superior? |
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| 01:09.13 | kuru | its all flavors |
| 01:09.17 | fishbulb | Turkeyvos: nothing is superior, it's all personal preference |
| 01:09.30 | head8debian | fishbulb: +1. |
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| 01:09.49 | shawn | i think it is superior but it would take too much breath to explain |
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| 01:09.59 | teraflops | Turkeyvos: use whatever suits your boat, just try it and see |
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| 01:10.58 | Turkeyvos | Which is easier on the hardware, the Chrome or the Debian? |
| 01:11.25 | fishbulb | most of the time whatever it comes with the (thing) is usually optimised for that |
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| 01:12.02 | Turkeyvos | I've read reports that a basic Celeron system with 2GB of RAM is faster and better performing than i5 8GB Windows sysetms. |
| 01:12.20 | fishbulb | that would never ever happen ever |
| 01:12.22 | Turkeyvos | Is that believable? Maybe not, but it goes to show that Chrome seems to be very light. |
| 01:12.44 | Turkeyvos | You think that's totally unbelievable, fish? |
| 01:13.09 | Turkeyvos | The review said for basic tasks like web browser his cheap Chromebox was faster than his high-performance Windows machine. |
| 01:13.11 | fishbulb | chrome isn't windows, doesn't run the same stuff as windows, it's comparing two totaly different things |
| 01:13.49 | head8debian | Precisely, and even Chrome OS vs Debian is like comparing 2 almost toatally diferent things. |
| 01:14.02 | teraflops | Turkeyvos: you can bloat that i5 till infinite then the celeron will be faster |
| 01:14.05 | fishbulb | it is comparing 2 different things |
| 01:14.37 | fishbulb | but if you're comparing browsing and price, a chromebook is going to be cheaper, an i5 is going to definitely cost a lot and use more power etc |
| 01:15.11 | fishbulb | can someone help out with this touchscreen/wacom digitizer turning off after the computer sleeps? |
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| 01:15.49 | fishbulb | thinkpad x220 tablet, when it comes out of "sleep/suspend" the wacom digitizer and touchscreen have both disappeared from lsusb |
| 01:16.29 | Turkeyvos | He said his Chromebox with 2GB of RAM and a CELERON processor beat his Windows 8 GB i5 systems right out of the water |
| 01:16.34 | Turkeyvos | in terms of web browsing performance. |
| 01:17.03 | Turkeyvos | Does that seem realistic to you? |
| 01:17.03 | teraflops | Turkeyvos: then youre lucky since you have a chromebox |
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| 01:17.52 | Turkeyvos | Therefore I wonder if Debian is as light and snappy as Chrome is. |
| 01:18.01 | Turkeyvos | The Chrome really flies with minimal hardware. |
| 01:18.10 | head8debian | teraflops: It is when its tweaked to do so. |
| 01:18.16 | head8debian | Turkeyvos: ^^ |
| 01:18.24 | head8debian | teraflops: Sorry... |
| 01:18.30 | linuxthefish | hi, why do i get "tzdata-java : Depends: tzdata (= 2015f-0+deb7u1) but 2015g-0+deb7u1 is to be installed" when tzdata is already installed? |
| 01:18.30 | Turkeyvos | Right out of the box I meant, head. |
| 01:18.34 | Turkeyvos | Anything can be tweaked. |
| 01:18.40 | Turkeyvos | IT's all about default performance to me. |
| 01:18.50 | head8debian | Turkeyvos: Probably not. |
| 01:19.03 | head8debian | Turkeyvos: But i could be wrong on that. |
| 01:19.05 | Turkeyvos | Ah, so you admit debian is a slower performer for web browsing than Chrome OS? |
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| 01:19.34 | head8debian | No its not, but say if the propper drivers are not there initially, they could hinder performance. |
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| 01:19.41 | head8debian | Etc. |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | linuxthefish: did you mix veresoins of Debian? |
| 01:20.01 | Turkeyvos | You reckon Google does a better job on its default install of Chrome OS than Debian. |
| 01:20.20 | teraflops | :S |
| 01:20.21 | head8debian | Turkeyvos: Yes! Its optomized for the hardware. |
| 01:20.24 | abrotman | fishbulb: no need to msg me, I was eating .. what's your questoin? |
| 01:20.30 | Turkeyvos | How does not having the proper drivers there hinder performance? |
| 01:20.58 | head8debian | Turkeyvos: Debian tries its best to cover a wide range of hardware the best it can, and *usually* does a very good job. |
| 01:20.58 | Turkeyvos | Ah. Interesting. Chrome is interesting in that respect in that like Apple they built the OS with the hardware. |
| 01:21.04 | fishbulb | I'm not sure what to do about the modules you mentioned |
| 01:21.28 | Turkeyvos | So the OS works with the hardware, not against it |
| 01:21.32 | Turkeyvos | perfect synergy. Now I get it. |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | fishbulb: It used to be that you sometimes needed to unload a module before the system would go to sleep, and then reload it when it would come out of hibernation |
| 01:22.01 | Turkeyvos | When the OS is built for the exact hardware then maybe that allows for much superior performance. |
| 01:22.13 | fishbulb | it goes to sleep find, when it comes out of sleep for some reason the touchscreen and wacom pen input have both disappeared from lsusb |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | Yes, I know ... |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | that doesn't change what I said |
| 01:22.51 | head8debian | Turkeyvos: Mattering on the hardware, yes. |
| 01:23.05 | Turkeyvos | Which is the fastest, speediest Linux distro with an easy GUI and superior driver support? |
| 01:23.16 | linuxthefish | abrotman, nope it's all wheezy :( |
| 01:23.43 | head8debian | Turkeyvos: Uhm, thats almost too vague to define. |
| 01:23.44 | fishbulb | ok, but how do I start to diagnose how to make sure the touchscreen and pen input works after suspend? |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | linuxthefish: pastebin please |
| 01:23.50 | Turkeyvos | Seems to me that an OS should be built with the hardware. Much more sensible to have 5 potential hardware configurations vs infinite. |
| 01:24.04 | abrotman | fishbulb: There are several guides on the internet to troubleshoot hibernation/suspend |
| 01:24.21 | head8debian | *facepalm*... i give up. |
| 01:24.44 | linuxthefish | abrotman http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xRKJzVBj is my sources list :( |
| 01:25.23 | fishbulb | abrotman: there is no problem with the sleep, the problem is, the touchscreen and wacom pen input disappear from the lsusb devices AFTER sleep |
| 01:25.32 | abrotman | there is a problem with sleep |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | linuxthefish: apt-cache policy tzdata tzdata-java |
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| 01:25.54 | shawn | Turkeyvos: my chromebook doesnt perform any worse for web browsing with debian on it. i've tested it with fedora 20 and ubuntu 14.04 too, they all browse the web just as sharply as chromeos does |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fishbulb about suspend troubleshooting |
| 01:26.08 | fishbulb | are you here to argue? I'm asking for help and I'm trying to be as specific as I possibly can with the problem |
| 01:26.10 | Turkeyvos | shawn, Fascinating. |
| 01:26.20 | fishbulb | I can't get more specific than what I said |
| 01:26.22 | Turkeyvos | shawn, You think Windows on it would perform so well?? |
| 01:26.25 | jordanm | linuxthefish: if you are trying to install tzdata-java as a new package, try running apt-get upgrade first |
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| 01:27.08 | linuxthefish | jordanm, i've done all that as well as clean and -f install :( |
| 01:27.11 | shawn | Turkeyvos: there are people who have installed windows on the acer c720, and they're just barely getting the touchpad driver right. and performance is way worse. |
| 01:27.49 | jordanm | linuxthefish: in the paste with the commands abrotman requested, also include the output of `apt-get dist-upgrade -s` |
| 01:28.03 | aedinius | It was odd to read today that Arch Linux was finally catching up to Debian testing, as they recently pushed gcc5. |
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| 01:28.43 | linuxthefish | jordanm, it just says 0 for upgraded, installed and not upgraded |
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| 01:29.20 | Turkeyvos | shawn, I wonder why Windows is so demanding of the hardware. |
| 01:29.29 | abrotman | not relevant to #debian |
| 01:29.58 | Turkeyvos | abrotman, Many here are choosing debian as an alternative to Windwos. |
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| 01:30.30 | linuxthefish | grr whoever designed this software to need eclipse which needs java to compile :( |
| 01:30.54 | linuxthefish | i use debian sid/jessie on most of my PC's and work laptops and it works great :D |
| 01:30.56 | Turkeyvos | I chose debian over slackware for superior ease of use. |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | Welcome to 1997 |
| 01:32.16 | aedinius | I run Debian testing at home. I have a test laptop I'm installing FreeBSD on at the moment. At work I use RHEL |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | linuxthefish: did you create that paste yet? |
| 01:34.47 | linuxthefish | abrotman, it didn't install or remove anything new but aptitude managed to sort it out |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:42.47 | linuxthefish | is there any way i can remove dpkg's lock? "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 01:45.44 | somiaj | linuxthefish: usually that is not suggested. You should use lsof and figure out which process is locking that file |
| 01:46.36 | linuxthefish | nvidia got stuck on it's installer so he stuck, but i fixed with removing the dat thing |
| 01:46.55 | somiaj | yea you can revmoe lock files, but you should track down the reason. (: |
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| 01:47.26 | fishbulb | somiaj: would you be able to help with why the touchscreen and wacom digitiser both disappear from the lsusb after sleep? |
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| 01:48.00 | fishbulb | something isn't "waking up" and I've been on debian for a few days now |
| 01:48.26 | fishbulb | been using it I mean. after distro hopping everywhere |
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| 01:49.56 | fishbulb | so far I'm sticking with debian becuase for the first time ever, literally all the buttons and lights and "rotate screen" button all work for when this thinkpad folds into a tablet, there's this one problem though, and it's pretty huge becaues on battery this thing has to sleep |
| 01:50.27 | mxxa | When i try to do `bash -c "source ./foo.sh; bar"` (where bar is a function defined in foo.sh), it keeps complaining about bar not found, how should I fix it? |
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| 01:52.57 | sheepdog | Fresh install and on login it shows my hostname's login and then it says eth0 full speed blah blah blah, how do I stop it from showing up? |
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| 01:56.13 | awal1 | sheepdog: are you on Console? |
| 01:57.10 | sheepdog | Yeah |
| 01:57.34 | awal1 | for be clear, you in ttyX, sheepdog |
| 01:57.38 | awal1 | eh? |
| 01:58.05 | sheepdog | First one no x |
| 01:58.30 | awal1 | :D X means a given console :P |
| 01:58.59 | sheepdog | I meant no xorg :p |
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| 01:59.29 | Jaga-Jaga | why does my wifi connection drops at random? https://paste.debian.net/343149/ |
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| 02:00.44 | awal1 | sheepdog: have you changed something in /etc/default/grub file? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, for be specific |
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| 02:01.59 | awal1 | or, are you in Console as root? |
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| 02:02.06 | sheepdog | It's yaboot, PowerPC instead of x86, only thing I changed was my root uuid |
| 02:02.54 | linuxthefish | grr now i can't even install anything without dpkg trying to run some nvidia program! |
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| 02:03.31 | awal1 | sheepdog: you logged in as root in tty...? |
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| 02:04.12 | aedinius | sheepdog: Did you update it in /etc/yaboot.conf and /etc/fstab and I don't remember what the problem you said youwere having hold on |
| 02:04.24 | peterrooney | dpkg: tell sheepdog about cross post |
| 02:04.34 | jordanm | mxxa: paste the content of foo.sh |
| 02:05.33 | awal1 | i'm thinking if it's just a systemd "spaming" messages....sheepdog. that happens if you in Console /recovery mode or removed 'quiet' from cmdline |
| 02:05.50 | mxxa | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/V3Y1wQdF |
| 02:05.58 | sheepdog | Iit says powerdog login: then it goes to posting the stuff I mentioned, I can type it in just 4 lines down |
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| 02:06.34 | jordanm | mxxa: works for me |
| 02:06.42 | peterrooney | sheepdog: did you remember to run ybin ? |
| 02:06.49 | mxxa | jordanm: really? can i see some output snipet? |
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| 02:06.59 | sheepdog | Yeah, didn't boot until I did |
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| 02:07.17 | jordanm | mxxa: https://gist.github.com/jmetzmeier/07f783c67fa0e5775807 |
| 02:08.05 | mxxa | jordanm: thanks! weirddd it just wouldn't work on mine :( |
| 02:09.50 | sheepdog | Oh sorry didn't see the other posts on my tablet, its telling me my Ethernet is up and running after it tells me to login, I'd like to remove it so it just asks me to login |
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| 02:13.09 | aedinius | Hm, I'm not sure. Why not just ignore it? |
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| 02:15.19 | sheepdog | Guess I'll have to till I find out what it is lol |
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| 02:18.47 | fishbulb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinput/+bug/1275416 |
| 02:18.50 | aedinius | Is it just a slow DHCP ? |
| 02:18.58 | fishbulb | this is the only REMOTELY related bug I can find to the problem I'm having |
| 02:19.13 | fishbulb | and it's in ubuntu, and from 2014 |
| 02:20.10 | fishbulb | and this problem has never been present before |
| 02:20.20 | fishbulb | so I thikn perhaps it's debian? |
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| 02:21.20 | Jaga-Jag1 | why does my wifi connection drops at random? https://paste.debian.net/343149/ |
| 02:22.57 | aedinius | Looks like something is toggling the radio [ 5804.531191] iwl4965 0000:06:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio. |
| 02:23.32 | aedinius | And a second later it's toggled back on. |
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| 02:28.27 | linuxthefish | why do the stupid nvidia-cuda* packages even exist if they don't install the cuda binary? |
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| 02:29.03 | linuxthefish | and if i use their official non-free installer it does not install nvcc, and the non-free package requires the free package in the repo's not the be installed |
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| 02:46.47 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 02:47.23 | tobiasBora | I'm having problem with the MT7630e wifi/bluetooth card until I uploaded debian into kernel 4.2 |
| 02:47.37 | tobiasBora | When I install https://github.com/neurobin/MT7630E the wifi works, but not the bluetooth |
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| 02:47.50 | tobiasBora | I would like to check two things : |
| 02:48.31 | tobiasBora | 1) Is the bluetooth module loaded ? Because when I uninstall it, I can't see any difference on the bluetooth : the bugs are exacly the sames. |
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| 02:52.13 | tobiasBora | The issue is well explained here : https://github.com/kuba-moo/mt7630e/issues/7 |
| 02:52.41 | cluelessperson | Question, I'm trying to make an init cript |
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| 02:52.48 | cluelessperson | problem is, it's asking for a password? |
| 02:52.59 | cluelessperson | su -u user -c "do this" |
| 02:53.12 | cluelessperson | if I do that manually, doesn't ask for password |
| 02:53.20 | cluelessperson | service start service_name |
| 02:53.22 | cluelessperson | asks for password? |
| 02:54.33 | cluelessperson | http://hastebin.com/ohepabiroz.bash |
| 02:57.44 | Arrowmaster | try using the start-stop-daemon command instead of su |
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| 02:58.14 | Bentleydrivers | Hello. |
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| 02:58.44 | Bentleydrivers | I'm wondering what advantage there is to putting Debian Linux on my box when I already have crouton running Ubuntuu. |
| 02:58.52 | linuxthefish | is there a way to remove all packages apart from a base install and set debian apt/dpks back to normal? all my pacckages and apt's database is messed up because default-jre won't install |
| 02:59.09 | abrotman | linuxthefish: show us the error |
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| 03:00.33 | somiaj | !tell Bentleydrivers why debian |
| 03:00.47 | somiaj | !tell Bentleydriversabout why debian |
| 03:00.50 | somiaj | !tell Bentleydrivers about why debian |
| 03:01.17 | Bentleydrivers | http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business#dt100g3 <--- Does a high capacity USB drive like this function as a hard drive? |
| 03:01.55 | Bentleydrivers | I can store everything I need on that USB drive. |
| 03:02.41 | Arrowmaster | are you asking if you can install debian to a usb drive? you can |
| 03:03.13 | Bentleydrivers | Seems too good to be true to have so much storage space in a tiny USB drive. |
| 03:03.28 | Bentleydrivers | Why would I need anything but the smallest hard drive if I have so much storage on the USB? |
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| 03:04.07 | abrotman | Bentleydrivers: how is that related to Debian? |
| 03:04.07 | linuxthefish | Bentleydrivers, until it fails in a few years time and no warning from smart! :( |
| 03:04.41 | linuxthefish | abrotman, "default-jre : Depends: default-jre-headless (= 2:1.7-52.1) but it is not going to be installed" even on sid with the latest tzdata packages |
| 03:05.04 | Bentleydrivers | Smart what? |
| 03:05.07 | Bentleydrivers | Why would it fail? |
| 03:05.07 | abrotman | linuxthefish: pastebin this entire command "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade;apt-get install default-jre;cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 03:05.12 | abrotman | linuxthefish: all of it |
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| 03:05.18 | abrotman | Bentleydrivers: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 03:05.39 | Bentleydrivers | Are you the boss hwere abrotman? |
| 03:05.52 | abrotman | Bentleydrivers: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | Bentleydrivers: this channel is for Debian support, not idle chatter |
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| 03:08.11 | abrotman | shocker |
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| 03:24.54 | owkword | hello. |
| 03:25.14 | namo | hey |
| 03:25.42 | owkword | what's up with all the lib*v5 library packages in testing? i tried to backport something but the conflicts would force me to rebuild basically half my packages. |
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| 04:18.38 | RB2 | Good Evening |
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| 04:20.39 | RB2 | Driver-wise, are the standard live CD and the Gnome live CD the same? |
| 04:21.22 | dvs | What's your real question? |
| 04:22.51 | somiaj | RB2: no, check the package list. the standard doens't even have a gui in it. |
| 04:23.02 | RB2 | I'm trying to install debian and the only time my drives show up are when booting into the full gnome live cd and I do the install from there. |
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| 04:23.45 | somiaj | RB2: with the live images, it is suggested you boot directly into the installer to install vs getting into the live system first |
| 04:24.22 | RB2 | somiaj, did that and my drives still don't show up. |
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| 04:25.44 | RB2 | I was even willing to do the install via the full gnome environment and then remove gdm and gnome packages, but it gets partway through and asks me to insert the CD. (This is being done from a USB stick imaged via Universal USB Installer) |
| 04:26.01 | somiaj | that seems odd, what kinda of drives are they? CAn you identify what the live system is doing that makes them 'show up' |
| 04:26.38 | somiaj | RB2: how are you putting the .iso onto the usbstcik |
| 04:26.38 | dvs | Universal USB Installer? |
| 04:26.52 | somiaj | that could be you problem, what os are you creating the bootable iso from? |
| 04:27.07 | RB2 | Win7 |
| 04:27.15 | somiaj | !win32diskimager |
| 04:27.15 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 04:27.16 | dvs | what program? |
| 04:27.42 | dvs | about to quote Tag Team |
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| 04:28.29 | RB2 | ok, I'll try using win32diskimager and give that a go. |
| 04:29.11 | RB2 | somiaj, I'm going to take a look at the logs at some point and see if I can determine the difference and why they appear to the installer. |
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| 04:29.29 | RB2 | I did look at the lspci output and saw no controller, so I'm assuming that's the root of the problem. |
| 04:30.49 | somiaj | Just try creating the usb bootable device we described, there is a chance it will fix the problems. |
| 04:31.19 | RB2 | Will do, thanks for the help! |
| 04:35.04 | RB2 | somiaj, I'd prefer gnome not to be installed at all. Do you think it's worth spending the time to try using the standard install DVD image and see if it works correctly with win32diskimager? |
| 04:35.22 | somiaj | the installer on all the images should be the same. |
| 04:35.44 | somiaj | I personally suggest using the offical installer (not the one on the live images) but either should work. |
| 04:36.02 | RB2 | LOL.. it's just not my night |
| 04:36.41 | RB2 | First avast blocks it as malware, then win32diskimagercomplains that the iso is read-only and to pick a new file |
| 04:36.43 | RB2 | :-/ |
| 04:37.42 | afidegnum | hello, can you please give a hand? I after sucessfully installed and setting up proxmox, i can't launch my windows vm, what can be the cause? here is the output log, http://paste.debian.net/343191/ |
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| 04:38.27 | lovezrs | 0.0 |
| 04:39.27 | RB2 | k, it's busy writing the image. :) |
| 04:39.35 | somiaj | RB2: are you sure you picked the image and the device correctly. I haven't used the software myself. (: |
| 04:39.44 | somiaj | !proxmox |
| 04:39.44 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 04:40.13 | RB2 | somiaj, it's been a really long week.. I think that's half my issue right now. :-S |
| 04:41.18 | lovezrs | !mate-core |
| 04:41.32 | lovezrs | 0.0 |
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| 04:42.21 | somiaj | lovezrs: I think it is called mate-dekstop-enviorment or something like that |
| 04:42.26 | somiaj | !mate |
| 04:42.26 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
| 04:42.34 | somiaj | !install mate |
| 04:42.34 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 04:43.02 | lovezrs | somiaj: it is |
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| 04:47.39 | fishbulb | *sigh* |
| 04:47.44 | fishbulb | open weather map |
| 04:47.50 | fishbulb | currently: not working |
| 04:47.57 | fishbulb | using debian jessie with gnome |
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| 04:48.33 | fishbulb | I've put my api key in, I try to add my city, the "ok" box is greyed out, it refuses to save the city |
| 04:49.20 | RB2 | somiaj, no go. |
| 04:49.48 | RB2 | I'm going to try writing the live image with win32diskimager, but I don't hold out much hope. |
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| 04:50.29 | RB2 | Hmmm |
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| 04:50.38 | RB2 | lspci shows the SATA controller this time |
| 04:50.54 | RB2 | still no disks though. |
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| 04:51.06 | fishbulb | does anyone have openweathermap working? |
| 04:51.17 | fishbulb | the gnome extension that comes with jessie? |
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| 04:56.31 | Rusty1 | RB2: did you have the drives recognized at some point or is it a new setup (just joined the channel) |
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| 04:56.57 | RB2 | Rusty1, this is a new setup |
| 04:57.23 | RB2 | Summary is, if I boot to a live CD with the full gnome environment, it sees the disks for the install. Otherwise, no go. |
| 04:57.33 | fishbulb | does anyone have openweathermap working in jessie gnome? |
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| 04:59.22 | Rusty1 | RB2: otherwise being that you install debian to a drive that is seen and no boot afterward? |
| 04:59.23 | RB2 | Intel 82801 SATA Controller with two Transcend 256GB SSDs |
| 05:00.07 | RB2 | Rusty1, haven't gotten that far. if I use the live CD and do the install from within Gnome where the disks are seen, it stops partway through and asks me to insert the CD |
| 05:00.55 | RB2 | I'm going to re-image the USB stick with the live cd using a utility dpkg recommended |
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| 05:01.06 | Rusty1 | RB2: not a netinstall? |
| 05:01.10 | RB2 | See if I can get past that step... |
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| 05:01.53 | RB2 | Rusty1, no. I could use a netinstall, I'm not against it. But, it has to see my drives either way. No? |
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| 05:03.09 | fishbulb | hey does anyone have openweathermap working? the gnome extension? |
| 05:03.56 | fishbulb | the part where you enter the city |
| 05:03.58 | Rusty1 | RB2: i might try a netinst, and see how it goes, in expert mode if it fails |
| 05:04.07 | fishbulb | the ok box is permanently greyed out, so you can't add the city |
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| 05:04.28 | fishbulb | I put my api key in |
| 05:04.30 | RB2 | Rusty1, ok thanks. I'll try that next if this fails. :) |
| 05:04.45 | Rusty1 | make sure secure boot is disabled in bios |
| 05:06.50 | RB2 | Rusty1, yep. It's disabled. |
| 05:07.06 | RB2 | I've never had so much trouble with an install before... and I've had my share of issues ;) |
| 05:08.18 | Rusty1 | the possibilty of a defect in the usb burn ? |
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| 05:08.40 | fishbulb | dd it again? |
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| 05:09.16 | RB2 | Rusty1, just trying a different tool dpkg recommended to burn the image. |
| 05:09.21 | RB2 | Trying the install now, see what happens |
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| 05:10.57 | RB2 | This time, I got an immediate message "Failed to copy file from CD-ROM" as it was loading the partition disks step |
| 05:11.02 | RB2 | I wonder if I have a bad USB stick |
| 05:11.14 | Rusty1 | dd if=your.iso of=/dev/sdx oflag=direct bs=1048576, what i used to burn the netinst iirc |
| 05:12.09 | RB2 | Rusty1, unfortunately, I'm stuck on Win7 at the moment |
| 05:12.20 | fishbulb | use rufus |
| 05:12.26 | fishbulb | and use dd mode to burn it |
| 05:12.31 | Rusty1 | ^ |
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| 05:13.00 | fishbulb | rufus 2.5 |
| 05:14.03 | RB2 | ok, I'm going to use rufus and the netinstall image |
| 05:14.35 | ungguy | how can you make an application mime aware? I use the firefox sometimes, and on some site I get the 'no video/mime not supported' error. have replicated the iceweasel.desktop on /usr/share/applications but no luck. |
| 05:14.38 | fishbulb | yup |
| 05:14.41 | fishbulb | burn it with dd mode |
| 05:14.44 | fishbulb | in rufus |
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| 05:15.45 | fishbulb | that stops the bootloader and shit, and it won't look for the cd |
| 05:17.23 | RB2 | fishbulb, k. It's running. I'm also having it do a bad block (1 pass) to make sure I don't have a bad usb stick |
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| 05:17.48 | RB2 | worth the time if it prevents me from banging my head against the wall |
| 05:18.32 | fishbulb | I haven't had a bad usb stick yet, but I don't really beat mine up or drop them in the toilet etc |
| 05:18.49 | RB2 | fishbulb, I've had one bad in the past... but that was it |
| 05:18.58 | RB2 | k, all done |
| 05:19.03 | RB2 | Let's see what happens! |
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| 05:20.13 | RB2 | Well... initramfs unpacking failed: uncompression error |
| 05:20.27 | RB2 | It's really my night... I think I might call it a night and try again tomorrow |
| 05:20.45 | fishbulb | did you do it in dd mode? |
| 05:20.55 | fishbulb | where it says iso |
| 05:20.55 | RB2 | fishbulb, yep |
| 05:21.06 | fishbulb | maybe try the nonfree iso |
| 05:21.24 | fishbulb | I dunno, I haven't had your problem before |
| 05:21.47 | fishbulb | I'm also here waiting for help because I installed debian like 3 days ago |
| 05:22.12 | RB2 | hahaha the BIOS doesn't recognize the USB stick now.. that's a first |
| 05:22.20 | RB2 | *throws hands up* |
| 05:22.33 | fishbulb | burn it |
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| 05:22.44 | fishbulb | oh. shit. maybe burn the iso |
| 05:22.51 | fishbulb | if your bios can boot an iso |
| 05:22.56 | RB2 | I appreciate the help from everyone. |
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| 05:23.20 | fishbulb | well I've installed dozens of linuxes, but only on my machines |
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| 05:24.00 | fishbulb | and on my things dd mode worked every time |
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| 05:25.16 | RB2 | fishbulb, There it goes agian, couldn't detect the CD-ROM, escaped out, told it detect CD-ROM drives and boom.. off it goes, it now found it |
| 05:25.19 | RB2 | Something is fishy here |
| 05:25.35 | fishbulb | quick! install it while you can! |
| 05:25.49 | fishbulb | before it changes it's goddamn mind |
| 05:26.25 | RB2 | hahaha |
| 05:26.31 | RB2 | Still doesn't see the drives |
| 05:27.43 | RB2 | ok |
| 05:27.50 | RB2 | fdisk -l shows the disks |
| 05:27.56 | RB2 | WHY INSTALLER... WHYYYYY |
| 05:28.01 | RB2 | lol |
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| 05:29.00 | RB2 | So... if I can see them with fdisk, what would cause them not to show up in the installer? |
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| 05:37.04 | fishbulb | hey does anyone use openweathermap the standard extension in jessie? |
| 05:37.12 | fishbulb | can they please try adding my city and seeing if that works? |
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| 05:38.17 | D4rkmatt3r | hello, i mounted a reiserfs volume manually using mount but im unsure how to create an fstab entry |
| 05:38.19 | D4rkmatt3r | to mount it at boot |
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| 05:39.11 | D4rkmatt3r | .. /dev/md0 /mnt/raid reiserfs notail,nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0 |
| 05:39.15 | D4rkmatt3r | is that a valid entry? |
| 05:39.43 | jordanm | D4rkmatt3r: without the ".." |
| 05:39.48 | jordanm | D4rkmatt3r: looks correct otherwise |
| 05:40.00 | D4rkmatt3r | yea, i had to use the ".." to be able to paste into chat |
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| 06:03.36 | shibly | What's the command to uninstall a .deb package? I have installed through deb -i a.deb |
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| 06:04.36 | cra1g321 | <shibly> dpkg -i file.deb |
| 06:07.28 | shibly | cra1g321: It is to install, i need to un-install |
| 06:07.31 | shibly | remove |
| 06:07.39 | cra1g321 | oh sorry my bad |
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| 06:08.01 | cheapie | Is there a way to search by relevance in Aptitude (like Synaptic does) instead of the first (and second, and so on) package that matches? |
| 06:08.24 | cra1g321 | shibly think its just a simple apt-get remove packagename |
| 06:09.11 | cheapie | shibly: "dpkg -r blah-package" will do it if you must use dpkg for some reason. |
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| 06:21.22 | uxfi | cra1g321: up? |
| 06:21.23 | uxfi | ah |
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| 06:57.21 | MACscr | hmm, why cant i remove a package simply because another one needs to be reinstalled? Plus, i dont store archives, so why doesnt it just redownload it to reinstall it? http://pastie.org/pastes/10624657/text?key=beopsquvvthrxk2druaag |
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| 07:01.04 | fishbulb | hey does anyone use openweather gnome extension |
| 07:01.10 | fishbulb | I'm having real trouble with mine |
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| 07:04.01 | tasaif | watch your language, I'm a prude |
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| 07:06.00 | jelly | MACscr: apt wants a consistent state to work. Purge the package you want to purge using dpkg, then run "apt-get -f install" |
| 07:06.32 | jelly | MACscr: which debian release is this? |
| 07:06.56 | MACscr | 8.2 |
| 07:07.49 | jelly | MACscr: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy uptrack check-mk-raw-1.2.6p15" and "apt-cache policy" |
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| 07:08.19 | jelly | !bat |
| 07:08.19 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 07:08.19 | MACscr | i have the apt-cache disabled |
| 07:08.39 | MACscr | debian is running on a flash drive with limited storage |
| 07:08.48 | jelly | nevertheless. |
| 07:09.02 | fishbulb | the weather extension won't work |
| 07:09.15 | fishbulb | I've registered with openweather.org and got an api and stuff, it still won't work |
| 07:09.40 | fishbulb | is there anyone else who uses it? or can suggest a good replacement? |
| 07:09.57 | fishbulb | openweather the stock extension that comes with jessie |
| 07:10.10 | fishbulb | it's in tweak tools |
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| 07:15.25 | Walther | Is there a way to remove a package with broken uninstall scripts / configs? I just got hit by this bug http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.rc/456792 |
| 07:18.38 | jelly | Walther: which debian release are you using? |
| 07:19.37 | Walther | sid |
| 07:19.41 | jelly | !debian-next |
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| 07:19.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:19.59 | Walther | sure |
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| 07:20.14 | Walther | just wondering if there's general information on how to remove broken packages |
| 07:20.23 | markybob | Walther, sure. dpkg --force-all --purge foo ...but you should know these things before running sid. sid is for people who can fix their shit |
| 07:20.45 | jelly | unbreak the scripts, avoid --force-anything if at all possible |
| 07:20.47 | Walther | I know how to fix many kinds of things, force-removing a package isn't one I've had to do in a long time |
| 07:20.54 | jelly | good |
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| 07:21.20 | Walther | so editing install scripts, probably something under /var/lib/dpkg/info/ or stuff |
| 07:21.26 | jelly | precisely |
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| 07:22.15 | jelly | adding set -x at the beginning (as second line) helps figuring out where the shell script breaks |
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| 07:23.32 | jelly | in case of #806844 that'd be /var/lib/dpkg/info/unattended-upgrades.postrm |
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| 07:23.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/806844 in unattended-upgrades (open): «unattended-upgrades: needs to be rebuilt with fixed debhelper»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-12-02; last modified: 2015-12-02. |
| 07:23.59 | markybob | unattended-upgrades in sid...wow. yeah, don't do that |
| 07:24.02 | Walther | jelly: yeah, found it :) |
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| 07:24.20 | Walther | markybob: got pulled as a dependency, hence the immediate reaction for removing it :P |
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| 07:24.30 | Walther | slipped through my eyes while installing another thingy |
| 07:25.16 | MACscr | jelly: additional info http://pastie.org/pastes/10624696/text?key=eo0jsm7kwixibvlzoe6oa |
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| 07:25.57 | MACscr | what sucks is that i dont even want the check_mk_raw package installed. must have had a problem with an initial install that was canceled |
| 07:26.14 | MACscr | super early in the process though, before i could see anything actually installed |
| 07:26.48 | fishbulb | my problem seems like it should be super simple |
| 07:26.56 | fishbulb | but the weather extension doesn't work |
| 07:27.02 | fishbulb | won't update the city when I type it in |
| 07:27.06 | fishbulb | in every single format |
| 07:27.21 | fishbulb | that openweather supports |
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| 07:28.23 | jelly | MACscr: you should be able to "dpkg --purge check-mk-raw-1.2.6p15" now |
| 07:29.26 | jelly | MACscr: note that the package name is actually "check-mk-raw-1.2.6p15" for some reason. The packager does not have a lot of experience with making .deb packages. |
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| 07:30.03 | MACscr | jelly: they use alien to convert from rpm =/ |
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| 07:31.04 | jelly | MACscr: look at what "apt-get -f install" wants to do carefully before proceeding, save the complete output in case it removes something you actually need |
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| 07:31.33 | fishbulb | can I have transparency in the terminal window? |
| 07:31.41 | jelly | MACscr: also, this doesn't look like debian |
| 07:31.58 | jelly | MACscr: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
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| 07:32.33 | MACscr | jelly: oops, my bad, this is an ubuntu trusty box. my bad. lol |
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| 07:32.36 | jelly | MACscr: and where's the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 07:32.57 | jelly | MACscr: I'm doubting your sincerity right now |
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| 07:34.06 | fishbulb | I'm definitely runing jessie, me next please |
| 07:34.14 | MACscr | jelly: huh? why is that? most of my boxes are debian now and i honestly forgot which one i was working on. |
| 07:34.24 | MACscr | i sincerely apologize |
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| 07:35.15 | MACscr | http://pastie.org/pastes/10624710/text?key=vvrn2i2sebf6j4ngkhytiw |
| 07:35.15 | jelly | (why, because showing all the requested commands from !bat would have showed it sooner) |
| 07:35.31 | jelly | right |
| 07:35.34 | MACscr | bat? |
| 07:35.38 | jelly | !bat |
| 07:35.38 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 07:35.52 | jelly | basic apt troubleshooting |
| 07:36.43 | markybob | MACscr, and everything in your paste says ubuntu |
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| 07:38.24 | MACscr | i know, i already admitted to screwing up. i have like 15 terminal windows open right now and i had a brain fart |
| 07:38.33 | jelly | in any case, apology accepted, moving on |
| 07:38.37 | MACscr | either way, i got the issue resolved and i appreciate the help |
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| 07:43.20 | fishbulb | my weather extension won't work |
| 07:43.28 | fishbulb | I seriously can't figure this out |
| 07:43.45 | fishbulb | sudo, su, whatever, settings will not change |
| 07:44.20 | fishbulb | the only field that saves is my API I got from openweather.org after registering |
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| 07:57.54 | geomyidae | I'm currently building libuv from source and make installing it. |
| 07:58.00 | geomyidae | How can I make a deb instead and install with dpkg ? |
| 07:59.17 | jelly | geomyidae: which version do you need? Maybe it's packaged already. |
| 07:59.26 | geomyidae | 1.7.5, latest stable |
| 07:59.30 | jelly | ,v libuv1-dev |
| 07:59.31 | judd | Package: libuv1-dev on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.7.5-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.7.5-1; stretch: 1.7.5-1 |
| 07:59.41 | jelly | dpkg, tell geomyidae about jessie-backports |
| 08:01.43 | jelly | geomyidae: assuming you're running debian 8 (jessie) |
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| 08:02.33 | geomyidae | Truth be told I'm using the new dotnet cli stuff which doesn't support debian. So while jessie-backports looks awesome, trusty-backports, less so |
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| 08:03.42 | jelly | geomyidae: then you're asking in the wrong place |
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| 08:04.16 | geomyidae | I was coming at it from the deb/dpkg angle, but yeah, I understand |
| 08:04.55 | jelly | sadly, there is no dpkg/deb channel that I know of, we cater to users of Debian here |
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| 08:06.06 | jelly | geomyidae: while you can probably to a manual local backport from, say, wily, ask ubuntu people on how to proceed with that |
| 08:06.17 | jelly | s/to/do/ |
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| 08:55.49 | rmblrd21 | hello. I added the backports line "deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main" to my sources.list |
| 08:56.36 | rmblrd21 | after apt-get update I started synaptic to install the wine backport version. |
| 08:57.03 | rmblrd21 | strange thing is - it does not show up. the latest version I see is 1.7.29 |
| 08:57.32 | rmblrd21 | but at packages.debian.org I can see that backports for jessie already has 1.7.52 |
| 08:57.45 | rmblrd21 | so where's the problem here? |
| 08:58.06 | babilen | rmblrd21: What does "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy wine" give you? |
| 08:58.17 | babilen | (paste it to http://paste.debian.net) |
| 08:58.45 | babilen | Ah, I guess that "wine" is not the actual package name. |
| 08:59.03 | rmblrd21 | babilen, https://paste.debian.net/343221/ |
| 08:59.19 | nkuttler | ,v wine |
| 08:59.20 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; sid: 1.6.2-22; stretch: 1.8~rc2-1; sid: 1.8~rc3-1 |
| 08:59.33 | babilen | I don't see 1.7.29 there at all .. Which package are you trying to install? |
| 08:59.36 | nkuttler | ,v wine-bin |
| 08:59.37 | judd | Package: wine-bin on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1 |
| 08:59.39 | rmblrd21 | wine-development |
| 08:59.41 | nkuttler | shrugs |
| 08:59.47 | rmblrd21 | and this one is 1.7.29 |
| 08:59.52 | nkuttler | rmblrd21: that's not the standard wine package though |
| 08:59.54 | babilen | rmblrd21: Well, then paste data for that pacakge rather than wine |
| 09:00.02 | babilen | judd: v wine-development |
| 09:00.03 | judd | Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 1.7.52-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.7.55-2; stretch: 1.7.55-4; sid: 1.7.55-4 |
| 09:00.09 | babilen | judd: i wine-development |
| 09:00.10 | judd | Package wine-development (otherosfs, optional) in jessie/amd64: Windows API implementation - standard suite. Version: 1.7.29-4; Size: 78.7k; Installed: 123k; Homepage: http://www.winehq.org/ |
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| 09:00.27 | nkuttler | looks like there is no backport of wine itself |
| 09:00.36 | rmblrd21 | https://paste.debian.net/343222/ |
| 09:00.40 | nkuttler | but yeah, wine-dev works just fine for me |
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| 09:01.04 | babilen | rmblrd21: So, everything is fine. |
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| 09:01.53 | rmblrd21 | no, because wine-development 1.7.52 does not show up in synaptic |
| 09:02.16 | babilen | In case you are unsure how to install from backports: You have to specifically request that by passing "-t jessie-backports" to apt, which makes it "apt -t jessie-backports install wine-development" |
| 09:02.44 | babilen | Sorry, don't use synaptic, but I'm sure that there is some way to tell it to install from backports too. |
| 09:02.51 | rmblrd21 | ok, thanks for that. but how comes I cannot see this with syncaptic? |
| 09:02.53 | rmblrd21 | ok |
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| 09:12.21 | romm- | Hey! So I logged into my deb VM after some time, and I get a boot error "error initializing authority g-io-error-quark..." and "root account is locked", so i can't even get into a normal emergency mode |
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| 09:13.16 | romm- | booted with init=/bin/sh and tried journalctl -xb as the error message suggested, and there are no journal files found. any idea what this is? |
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| 09:17.14 | babilen | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=789950 ? |
| 09:17.15 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/789950 in util-linux (closed, fixed-upstream): «util-linux: sulogin does not work if root account is locked»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-06-25; last modified: 2015-12-02. |
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| 09:26.02 | Lorner_ | help |
| 09:26.10 | Lorner_ | my terminal is posssessed by evil demons |
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| 09:26.52 | Lorner_ | im using iterm on OSX and connect with ssh to various debian 7.9 servers |
| 09:27.26 | Lorner_ | since today when i use nano to navigate files i get garbled symbols / input in between |
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| 09:28.01 | Lorner_ | for comparison: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgfi38ehdztmgsc/Screenshot%202015-12-11%2010.25.47.png?dl=0 <- new nano file including some spammed text, tabs used and a copy paste in the end |
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| 09:30.53 | Lorner_ | when i navigate using the arrow keys diagonally (i.e. switch between up & right or some other horizontal+vertical combo i get random signs that look like c'thulu wants to tell me something |
| 09:30.56 | Lorner_ | ie. https://www.dropbox.com/s/z9d44pgjo49m5rc/Screenshot%202015-12-11%2010.29.02.png?dl=0 |
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| 09:36.48 | Bugson_ | guys can one send me fingerprint of Debian Testing CDs Automatic Signing Key, thx in advance |
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| 09:43.13 | whatsfallout | Hello Everyone, I am trying to install Debian on a Poweredge 1950 with PERC 5/i. But I cannot see the Hard Drives. Any ideas or hints about what could be happening? |
| 09:43.45 | Bugson_ | whatsfallout: isn't that a software raid? |
| 09:44.26 | Bugson_ | if so then You most propably need software drivers to work with them |
| 09:45.09 | Bugson_ | in such cases I prefer to use mdadm instead |
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| 09:49.59 | GeertJohan | Why does the ca-certificates package depend on openssl? |
| 09:50.08 | GeertJohan | https://packages.debian.org/sid/ca-certificates |
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| 10:14.00 | MACscr | when you use delete a partition in fdisk and then recreate it with the new size, do you actually lose all the data? |
| 10:14.52 | scc | https://www.debian.org/mirror/ <- are you also getting a 403 on this page? |
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| 10:15.31 | himicat | hulllooo |
| 10:15.39 | Mathisen | scc, no |
| 10:16.06 | himicat | http://pastebin.com/dcDeyFK7 situation: i had a 760, traded for a 570, didn't do anything with drivers, got rid of 570, started using intel graphics (removed all nvidia stuff) now I put my 760 back in and everything is a low fps - what can I do to get my fps back? |
| 10:16.24 | himicat | that pastebin is the output of nvidia-detect |
| 10:20.10 | scc | Mathisen, cheers - strange, tho |
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| 10:51.30 | basimoto | hello |
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| 10:57.25 | basimoto | i want to connect form my archlinux notebook to my debian server. therefore i want to compare the fingerprint of the key. but when I get the fingerprint in the format like SHA256:y5fzaZwgfkJWvlsN4S3lg2VoSkj4S4eHkqLcwaIzjMI. but when i type $ ssh-keygen -l -f /$pub_key i got a formal like cd:a1:ff:......and so on. how can i compare it in the same format? |
| 10:57.30 | whatsfallout | Bugson_: No is not software raid, is a SAS controller connected to a PCI |
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| 11:01.21 | zafu | hi, is packagkit of any use? It's eating up ram and cpu like there's no tomorrow |
| 11:01.29 | zafu | how do I disable it? |
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| 11:19.38 | Bugson_ | whatsfallout: doesn't matter |
| 11:20.37 | Bugson_ | whatsfallout: there are pseudo hardware raid that aren't really hardware raids, they need extra drivers, pure hardware raid doesn't need a thing from OS |
| 11:21.27 | Bugson_ | whatsfallout: in most cases hardware raids have letter H in front of model name, and pseudo hardware raids S |
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| 11:21.36 | Bugson_ | whatsfallout: read about it on the net |
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| 11:22.39 | Bugson_ | whatsfallout: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installing_with_Fake_RAID |
| 11:23.06 | Bugson_ | so they call it fake raid |
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| 11:37.55 | whatsfallout | Bugson_: ok let me check |
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| 11:44.14 | atralheaven | is it recommended to add user to sudo group? |
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| 11:46.17 | romm- | Hey. Is it possible that open-vm-tools-dkms has a bug where it doesn't compile/install one of the kernel modules? |
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| 11:55.15 | romm- | bzed: i might be mistaken, but open-vm-tools-dkms 2:10.0.0 doesn't install the vmhgfs module (on deb stretch/testing). |
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| 12:20.47 | francesco_ | Hi. Hello, I'm trying to install the "ngspice" package, through "apt-get install ngspice", but apt-get can't find the package. Can you help me? |
| 12:21.50 | towo^work | you need non-free in your sources for that package |
| 12:22.09 | encfs | So I am installing dual booting with debian, how do I 'let grub know' i've done so since I already have a working grub install on the boot partition... |
| 12:22.18 | F29 | add -> contrib non-free on your sources.list |
| 12:22.22 | francesco_ | towo^work, I have it in my sources.list file. |
| 12:22.50 | francesco_ | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 12:23.13 | F29 | show any packet when you put apt-cache search gnspice? |
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| 12:23.32 | francesco_ | "gnspice" or "ngspice"_ |
| 12:23.33 | francesco_ | ? |
| 12:23.43 | towo^work | ngspice |
| 12:23.46 | F29 | sorry ngs |
| 12:23.54 | towo^work | and it's there |
| 12:24.01 | towo^work | https://packages.debian.org/de/wheezy/ngspice |
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| 12:24.53 | francesco_ | It says that the package does not have any version available, but it is named in another package. |
| 12:25.05 | francesco_ | I don't understand what's happening. |
| 12:25.26 | F29 | http://ngspice.sourceforge.net/packages.html |
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| 12:25.59 | francesco_ | Can I install it through "apt-get"? |
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| 12:27.10 | F29 | donwload package and dpkg -i <package.deb> |
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| 12:27.13 | francesco_ | Is it possible that I must switch to Jessie? |
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| 12:28.10 | jelly | ,v ngspice |
| 12:28.11 | judd | Package: ngspice on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 24-1; sid/non-free: 26-1+b1; jessie/non-free: 26-1+b1; stretch/non-free: 26-1+b1 |
| 12:28.19 | jelly | dpkg, tell francesco_ about non-free sources |
| 12:29.31 | jelly | francesco_: after you run "apt-get update", verify a version of ngspice package is available as Candidate in "apt-cache policy ngspice" |
| 12:29.36 | francesco_ | jeezy, I've got non-free packages in my sources.list file. |
| 12:29.52 | jelly | francesco_: if it's not, something is wrong with your sources |
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| 12:30.16 | francesco_ | I'm trying to do "apt-get update" again. |
| 12:31.22 | francesco_ | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
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| 12:32.48 | encfs | talling debian, how do I 'let grub know' i've done so since I already have a working grub install on the boot partition.. |
| 12:33.06 | encfs | So I am installing dual booting with debian, how do I 'let grub know' i've done so since I already have a working grub install on the boot partition... |
| 12:34.33 | francesco_ | jelly, F29, can you install ngspice through "apt-get"? |
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| 12:35.19 | F29 | yes |
| 12:35.46 | jelly | francesco_: okay. show the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy ngspice" and "apt-get install ngspice", please, in a single pastebin entry (on paste.debian.net preferably) |
| 12:37.06 | francesco_ | Il pacchetto ngspice non ha versioni disponibili, ma è nominato da un altro |
| 12:37.06 | francesco_ | pacchetto. Questo potrebbe indicare che il pacchetto è mancante, obsoleto |
| 12:37.06 | francesco_ | oppure è disponibile solo all'interno di un'altra sorgente |
| 12:37.06 | francesco_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:37.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell francesco_ about localized errors |
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| 12:37.31 | francesco_ | Back. |
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| 12:38.04 | jelly | francesco_: use a pastebin site, don't paste output here when it's longer than 2-3 lines |
| 12:38.15 | PsynoKhi0 | greetings, for openvpn clients traffic to flow to and from the remote network, one has to add an iptables rule for NAT: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s $VPN-IP -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE... what would the equivalent for traffic sourced from the remote network to reach VPN clients be? |
| 12:38.29 | jelly | francesco_: put the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy ngspice" and "apt-get install ngspice", please, in a single pastebin entry (on paste.debian.net preferably) |
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| 12:40.58 | francesco_ | jelly, http://pastebin.com/fDjAFsGD |
| 12:41.06 | jelly | sigh |
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| 12:41.38 | francesco_ | jelly, as I said it's in italian. |
| 12:41.47 | jelly | ,v ngspice --arch i386 |
| 12:41.48 | judd | Package: ngspice on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 20-1 |
| 12:42.36 | jelly | francesco_: italian's just fine, but pastebin.com has so many ads and crap. Anyway. It seems Debian distributes only a 64bit build. |
| 12:43.16 | francesco_ | Does it? What should I do? Should I compile the package by myself? |
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| 12:43.57 | jelly | assuming there are sources to compile from, sure. Or install 64bit debian if your hardware supports it |
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| 12:44.49 | jelly | ,checkbackport ngspice --fromrelease=sid --torelease=wheezy |
| 12:44.54 | francesco_ | jelly, doesn't Debian distribute a i386 (I think it's called like that) vergion of ngspice_ |
| 12:44.55 | francesco_ | ? |
| 12:44.55 | judd | Backporting package ngspice in sidâwheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: tcl8.6-dev, tcl8.6, tk8.6-dev, tk8.6. |
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| 12:45.24 | jelly | francesco_: nope, not any more. See output from judd, above. |
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| 12:46.19 | jelly | francesco_: there used to be just 32bit (arch i386) in debian 6 (squeeze), and there's just 64bit (amd64) in debian 8 (jessie) and newer |
| 12:47.04 | francesco_ | jelly, what should I do to see if my hardware support amd64 Linux? |
| 12:47.12 | francesco_ | "supports" |
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| 12:47.39 | jelly | !lm |
| 12:47.39 | dpkg | methinks lm is "long mode" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_mode): grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:47.45 | jelly | ^^ run that command |
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| 12:49.07 | francesco_ | http://pastebin.com/CQ7LA7A6 |
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| 12:51.10 | francesco_ | I don't think it's not "democratic" not to distribute anymore certain i386 distributions of certain packages. :) But I'm not an expert. |
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| 12:55.07 | francesco_ | jelly, is it possible to solve the problem including new repositories? |
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| 12:57.08 | jelly | francesco_: that means your CPU has 64bit support. Install linux-image-amd64 package and reboot into that 64bit kernel, then it will be possible to add multiarch 64bit support and install that one 64bit package. |
| 12:59.05 | francesco_ | If I switch to Jessie, would I solve the problem? |
| 12:59.08 | encfs | Does anyone know how to add Debian to a grub.cfg file from grub-mkconfig? |
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| 12:59.42 | jelly | francesco_: if you install 64bit jessie, yes |
| 13:00.07 | encfs | I am dual-booting and already have grub installed with my first os in grub.cfg... I'm in the debian installer cd and I want to know how to add grub to the os... |
| 13:00.17 | encfs | to the grub.cfg I mean. |
| 13:00.38 | francesco_ | Could I ask you what's the oldest architecture that supports amd65 Jessie? I have an older computer, on which I would like to run ngspice. |
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| 13:03.52 | romm- | Any open-vm-tools maintainer alive? |
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| 13:04.45 | rmblrd21 | hello. i am granting user abc to access the xhost with: xhost +si:localuser:abc |
| 13:05.00 | rmblrd21 | this way i can login to user abc and start programs that have a gui |
| 13:05.30 | rmblrd21 | however this does not work when the program i using mono. in that case the gui does not show up |
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| 13:24.39 | francesco_ | jelly, I'm trying to solve the problem installing the "geda" package, that "ngspice" seems to be a part of. |
| 13:25.47 | jelly | ,v geda |
| 13:25.49 | judd | Package: geda on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.6.1-5; wheezy: 1:1.6.2-4.3; jessie: 1:1.8.2-4; sid: 1:1.8.2-5; stretch: 1:1.8.2-5 |
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| 13:26.43 | abrotman | pseubodot: gEDA! |
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| 13:27.51 | jelly | pseudocomment: select count (*) from channel where user like former EE student: 1 rows returned |
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| 13:28.54 | jelly | francesco_: I've no idea if 32bit gEDA would work with 64bit spice, but I guess it's worth a try (and it's the quickest thing to try) |
| 13:29.00 | sep | when i do apt-get update, i get a 404 error on most repos, including http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages ; if i check manually in a browser http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/binary-amd64/ the 404 is correct. there is only gz and bz2 versions but not Packages ; can i make apt someone use the gz or bz2 packages ? or is there something wrong with the repo's ? |
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| 13:29.24 | jelly | francesco_: did you reboot into amd64 kernel yet, does that work? |
| 13:29.43 | francesco_ | I didn't try. |
| 13:30.01 | francesco_ | I succeeded in instaling geda though. |
| 13:30.04 | jelly | so what were you doing? Time is money! |
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| 13:58.57 | rafalcpp | any cool games for debian, that are playable over Internet? (and likelly support ipv6)? |
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| 13:59.07 | rafalcpp | oterh then openarena |
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| 14:02.11 | abrotman | rafalcpp: that's entirely subjective ... |
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| 14:03.05 | jelly | suspected that ipv6 support was entirely subjective since _always_ |
| 14:03.28 | abrotman | especially given he's coming from a name that only has IPv4 |
| 14:03.55 | rafalcpp | abrotman: I use cjdns to have virtual ipv6. OpenArena for example works well with that |
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| 14:05.15 | rafalcpp | but dropping that part, what good networking multiplayer games on debian you recommend? |
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| 14:07.08 | abrotman | I guess happypenguin is gone? |
| 14:07.37 | abrotman | rafalcpp: http://happypenguin.altervista.org/ |
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| 14:08.18 | abrotman | rafalcpp: Uhm, nexiuz? Is that the name? |
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| 14:13.23 | brontosaurusrex | how would one pin libreoffice in /etc/apt/preferences to use jessie backports? |
| 14:13.45 | itaipu | Hi, I have some issues using google-chrome in stretch (Debian 4.2.6-1 (2015-11-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux ) most of time it has a delay in rendering the tabs (switching the open tabs) and sometimes only if we scroll the page it gets rendered... does someone knows about this ? |
| 14:13.54 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: apt-get -t jessie-backports install libreoffice |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: you sohuldn't have to pin it .. it should instlal it if you use -t |
| 14:14.23 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj: I know, but cant i just pin this somehow? |
| 14:14.28 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: you shouldn't need to do any pinning, the repo is already setup to do this by default. Then once you do that, from this point on any upates to jessie-backports will get upgraded |
| 14:14.58 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: what do you mean pin it? You just want to make it so the version from jessie-backports is installed, and then any updates to the jessie-backports are also installed when you 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade'? |
| 14:15.17 | itaipu | or where could I open an issue about this ? |
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| 14:15.53 | somiaj | itaipu: does chromium have the same issue? If you find a bug in chroimum you can report it to debian. If you find a bug in google-chrom, you have to report it to google. |
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| 14:15.55 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj: yes |
| 14:16.17 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: then you don't have to do anything, the repo is already setup to do that. You just have to use the command I gave you the one time you want to install the package from jessie-backports |
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| 14:16.26 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: from then on out, it will be kept uptodate by apt with out doing anything |
| 14:16.59 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj: I understand all that, the problem is that if you install several systems you tend to forget that |
| 14:17.03 | itaipu | somiaj: I didn't tried with chromium, but I'll check |
| 14:17.18 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj: so i end up installing main repo and the installing backports ... |
| 14:17.23 | brontosaurusrex | then* |
| 14:17.56 | atralheaven | Hi, should I have user in sudo group? or its safer to not to add the user to sudo group? |
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| 14:18.05 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj: this http://paste.debian.net/plain/343310 isnt working btw |
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| 14:19.42 | zykotick9 | atralheaven: do you want the user to have sudo access? if not, no need to be in the sudo group. |
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| 14:20.11 | somiaj | atralheaven: I wouldn't say it is a safer issue, it is more a do you want to give full blanket sudo access or have it restricted to certian commands |
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| 14:22.37 | atralheaven | somiaj: I think it should be safer to run commands with 'sudo' instead of switching to root user completely. its my desktop, and im the only user |
| 14:23.34 | somiaj | atralheaven: I read your question as should you use the sudo group or make a custom sudoers entry for your user |
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| 14:24.00 | atralheaven | somiaj: how about removing root password and only give the user ability to run a command with root with sudo command? |
| 14:24.40 | somiaj | atralheaven: being in the sudo group gives another point of attack to gain root access if your password is cracked. But over all I don't think this is that much of a security issue. Most likely if your password is cracked on a desktop they have access to your personal data anyways. |
| 14:25.00 | somiaj | is not that much. |
| 14:25.30 | somiaj | atralheaven: sure, other thigns you can do is not run an ssh server or ways to login to the machine remotely |
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| 14:27.28 | atralheaven | somiaj: on server, I did this. on desktop, I prefer to use sudo command instead of switching to root user, I got used to it! Thank you |
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| 14:30.16 | somiaj | atralheaven: yea if you want blanked sudo privlages just add yourself to the sudo group. If you want to limit the privlages to paticular commands, make a cusomt sudoers file (: |
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| 14:40.44 | osx | does anyone know hot to get hibernate working with a locked screen? |
| 14:41.11 | osx | if my desktop kde is locked no hibernate is possible |
| 14:42.19 | wacek | debian 6 is on 8 DVDs and debian 7 and 8 only on three DVDs |
| 14:42.19 | wacek | But the newer versions of Debian are more packages |
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| 14:43.25 | somiaj | wacek: are you sure it is DVDs and not cds? Are you including the source packages or not in that count? |
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| 14:47.46 | wacek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:49.50 | afx | hey :) question: i have few production debian 8 boxes, however it seems there is a bug about booting from degraded software raid. Looks like this is fixed in the mdadm package in Testing. what to do? is it possible to just use the fixed package or i have to dist upgrade to testing? thanks :) |
| 14:50.45 | rozie | afx: take a look on backports, if it really is fixed in newer version |
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| 14:51.09 | rozie | but are you sure it's not a bug with missing grub? |
| 14:51.22 | somiaj | ,v mdadm |
| 14:51.23 | judd | Package: mdadm on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.4-1+8efb9d1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 3.2.5-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2.5-5; jessie: 3.3.2-5; stretch: 3.3.4-1.1+b1; sid: 3.3.4-1.1+b1 |
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| 14:52.07 | somiaj | afx: I would not upgrade to testing. You basically have two options I see. 1) /msg dpkg ssb, and then make a backport yourself (problem with this is you will no longer have security support on this one package) |
| 14:52.13 | somiaj | ,check-backport mdadm |
| 14:52.14 | judd | Backporting package mdadm in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 14:52.35 | somiaj | afx: but backporting may not be to hard with the small version change. |
| 14:52.36 | markybob | wacek, there are 13 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/ |
| 14:53.02 | rozie | wacek: and you probably need only netiso image to install |
| 14:53.23 | somiaj | afx: 2) Track down the actual fix, see if you can backport the fix to the jessie version. Make a patch and recompile the jessie version (/msg dpkg package recomplie) then submit the patch to the BTS (and maybe bug) and see if it gets fixed. (: |
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| 14:53.43 | afx | http://serverfault.com/questions/688207/how-to-auto-start-degraded-software-raid1-under-debian-8-0-0-on-boot |
| 14:53.50 | afx | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=784070 |
| 14:53.51 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/784070 in mdadm (closed, patch): «mdadm Software RAID1 with GPT on Debian 8.0.0 amd64 - Does not mount/boot on disk removal»; severity: critical; opened: 2015-05-02; last modified: 2015-11-23. |
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| 14:56.09 | wacek | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 14:56.44 | somiaj | afx: oh nice, have you confirmed (or is the bug confirmed). Being critical it might get fixed, but if you supply a patch it would get fixed faster |
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| 14:57.14 | markybob | wacek, yes, they're not all built because it's a waste of resources. that's why they offer the source so you can make your own if you think you need all dvds (probably because you have a brain tumor) |
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| 14:57.40 | afx | well i tried this from stackoverflow but couldnt do it myself and then i found that it is marked as fixed in testing so i was wondering is it possible to use the testing package directly with dpkg -i |
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| 14:58.13 | afx | also thanks for to he fast response, somiaj and rozie :) |
| 14:58.27 | afx | *the :) |
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| 14:59.01 | somiaj | afx: that could do some bad things, espically due to the gcc5 transiont |
| 14:59.05 | somiaj | !tell afx about ssb |
| 14:59.19 | somiaj | afx: follow the bots advise, it gives a set of automated commands that should backport the package |
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| 14:59.38 | somiaj | afx: you can also run these in a chroot so you don't have to install all the building tools on your main system and can build in a clean enviroment. |
| 15:00.00 | somiaj | afx: I think due to the small version change that package shoudl backport easy enough the bots suggested commands will automate the whole process and create a .deb that can be installed on jessie |
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| 15:09.53 | k_sze | Is there a way to make apt-get show me the suggested packages based on what I have *already* installed? |
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| 15:10.56 | ewew | Hi. Does anyone have a idea why make deb-pkg is failing on hostname: Name or service not known |
| 15:10.56 | ewew | scripts/package/Makefile:90: recipe for target 'deb-pkg' failed |
| 15:10.56 | ewew | make[1]: *** [deb-pkg] Error 1 |
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| 15:11.51 | ewew | thank you for any hint. |
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| 15:16.18 | abrotman | ewew: use a pastebin to share the error, it's not polite to flood the channel |
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| 15:39.35 | cluelessperson | Question |
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| 15:39.47 | julius | hi |
| 15:39.51 | cluelessperson | what logs show eth interface links going up or down? |
| 15:40.19 | julius | when cross compiling for arm in stretch, could i just run a jessie and chroot into the stretch and use the compiler there or would that kill performance/not work? |
| 15:40.28 | julius | dmesg |
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| 15:40.38 | julius | cluelessperson, dmesg |
| 15:40.43 | cluelessperson | julius, dmesg you say? Thanks, I'll look |
| 15:40.49 | julius | its a program |
| 15:41.04 | cluelessperson | julius, We're having serious DNS resolution issues |
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| 15:41.14 | julius | but there are also logs in /var/log |
| 15:41.15 | encfs | Does anyone here know how to make an encrypted disk's keyfile embedded in the initrd |
| 15:41.16 | cluelessperson | are there logs that log DNS failures? |
| 15:41.28 | julius | try "grep eth0 *" when in /var/log |
| 15:42.05 | julius | cluelessperson, i dont think so |
| 15:42.24 | abrotman | cluelessperson: dmesg |
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| 15:43.09 | markybob | encfs, so you want to know how to make encryption pointless? |
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| 15:43.54 | encfs | markybob: I actually have an encrypted boot partition where the initrd is located... |
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| 15:45.08 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: What kind of failure? |
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| 15:47.21 | cluelessperson | jhutchins, various internal servers just lose dns resolution randomly. |
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| 15:56.48 | encfs | Does anyone here know how to make an encrypted disk's keyfile embedded in the initrd |
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| 15:59.27 | markybob | encfs, something like http://missinglink.xyz/security/tutorial-debianubuntu-full-disk-encryption-luks-fde-including-encrypted-boot/improved-full-disk-encryption-add-luks-key-file-initrdinitramfs/ |
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| 16:03.31 | encfs | markybob: that seems really complicated.. in arch all you had to do was 1. make the key, 2. add it to the disk's luks partition, 3. add a flag for the file in the mkinitcpio.conf 4. update the initramfs through mkinitcpio |
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| 16:11.58 | laurus | I am trying to remap a weird key on my keyboard to Right Alt, which my keyboard does not have. I am using xkb. Does anyone have experience with this? |
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| 16:22.46 | MrDetonia | Hey, anybody here use isync before (similar to imapsync)? |
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| 16:41.52 | ewew | Was there a change in kernel compilation ? |
| 16:42.05 | ebarrett | hey, we have one debian 8.2 machine which will block waiting for rc.local to run, and one which starts other stuff in parallel -- did this behaviour change recently? |
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| 16:43.47 | somiaj | ebarrett: jessie uses systemd which I don't think uses rc.local by default |
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| 16:44.23 | somiaj | ebarrett: I'd suggest just learning how to write systemd .service or other types of files for this and systemd can deal with both the dependecnies and the parallel of starting processes |
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| 16:45.06 | bezaban | could the one that hangs be using sysvinit? systemd typically starts things in parallell while sysvinit is linear |
| 16:45.23 | bezaban | and also what somiaj said :) |
| 16:45.27 | ebarrett | somiaj: yeah it's on the todo list |
| 16:45.43 | ebarrett | im just confused as to why we have two debian 8.2 systems with different behaviours |
| 16:45.59 | ebarrett | if one was upgraded from 7, will it have different behaviour from a fresh 8 install? |
| 16:46.05 | somiaj | ebarrett: you can remove the "quiet" from /etc/default/grub, then update-grub and see where things are hanging. |
| 16:46.15 | teraflops | bezaban: you miss rc.loca? that's all? |
| 16:46.25 | somiaj | ebarrett: it could, but by default (unless you did something to stop this) it would have been switched over the systemd in the upgrade |
| 16:46.31 | teraflops | local* |
| 16:46.33 | bezaban | teraflops: ? |
| 16:46.55 | ebarrett | weird |
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| 16:48.03 | leafwiz | Hello. Does anyone know a good tut to reset my root password for the newest debain with grub 2 and systemd? |
| 16:48.13 | teraflops | bezaban: then I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about rc.local because the "and also what somiaj said" |
| 16:48.15 | leafwiz | I have tried google but the tuts i get does not work |
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| 16:48.52 | leafwiz | press e, add rw init=/bin/bash to the end of grub startup line is nogo |
| 16:49.11 | bezaban | teraflops: ah ok :) |
| 16:49.29 | bezaban | don't see where the 'missing' part comes in :) |
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| 16:52.43 | leafwiz | I'm sorry if a seemed a bit annoyed but i feel grub2 and systemd is turning debian into an overcomplicated ms windows like enviroment. Probably just and old grump.. |
| 16:53.03 | storge | you are not alone |
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| 16:54.53 | leafwiz | yeah.. It just I don't understand the need for this new complexety. I whish we could have debian classic, where all was "it just works" , and then you could have debian MS Windows Edition. Where you can pile up with systemd and grub2 and all that jazz |
| 16:55.23 | storge | people are working on forks. and you can still select sysvinit at boot. |
| 16:55.51 | somiaj | leafwiz: there is a long mailing post about the different init options and why debian went with systemd. |
| 16:55.51 | leafwiz | sure. again sorry. I'll just have to spend some time figuring this out. |
| 16:55.53 | somiaj | !why systemd |
| 16:55.54 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) will still be present in Debian 8. systemd-shim (in development) will allow userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. |
| 16:56.57 | leafwiz | somiaj: yeah, I know.. systemd seems on paper to be really cool. It's just monolitic , and historically that has allways been a challlenge. |
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| 16:59.13 | somiaj | leafwiz: but I'm not finding any special info for systemd, and when using init=/bin/sh or init=/bin/bash you are avoid systemd, so systemd shoudln't be the issue here |
| 17:00.00 | leafwiz | somiaj: yeah, I'm just annoyd with systemd because it won't reboot my system when I press ctrl alt delete. It says it will but it never does.. |
| 17:00.14 | leafwiz | its a grub2 issue |
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| 17:01.36 | amdp | hi I've been looking for mailman documentation but there's nothing about 2.1.18 that seems to work fine. Any links? |
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| 17:37.46 | atralheaven | Hi |
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| 17:38.01 | atralheaven | I can't change my laptop brightness... |
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| 17:38.33 | atralheaven | I had this problem, I think now it should be related to graphic driver |
| 17:38.45 | atralheaven | how can I check what driver am I using? |
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| 17:41.08 | momomo | anyone here knows anything about why chrome/chromium is so slow on gnome ... graphics seems to lag and inputting text into fields do lags especially |
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| 17:43.41 | mtn | momomo, not slow on my gnome. have you looked at the wiki for your video card? |
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| 17:44.44 | Gisle | I ran into that issue after 2.5 months after install, but I didn't solve it and instead reinstalled everything since I was going to set up a dual boot anyway. |
| 17:45.04 | mtn | momomo, also, perhaps gnome is a little heavy for your system, which could make things go slower |
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| 17:46.59 | uncletobai | Hey everyone, can someone comment of if this behavior of my system is normal? my cpufreq policy is set to powersave (running a fanless setup), and whenever i do tiny tasks, the cpu frequency goes up to the max of 2.9GHz, even though the cpu load is at 3-8%. |
| 17:47.28 | uncletobai | by tiny tasks i mean stuff like open a new tab in iceweasel |
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| 17:50.07 | IronEagle | Hello, I executed an rsync script and it started copying files but it since 45 minutes it seems to be stuck, i can see nothing in the log files, so I tried this command "ps aux | grep "snapshotHome.sh" and i have thus result http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=spQ98T7K |
| 17:50.42 | IronEagle | how can i be sure that the script is "stuck"? |
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| 17:52.54 | IronEagle | I get this result* sry |
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| 18:03.54 | ewew | With help from #debian-kernel on oftc the error at compilation of kernel was a tiny error in kernel sources. |
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| 18:05.15 | ewew | Without redirection of output the hostname error caused the process to fail. |
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| 18:20.00 | jerz0 | greetings. if this is not the right channel for this question, please direct me to the right place: I currently have AVLINUX 6.0.3 on a Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H motherboard. Recently, BIOS has become corrupted (freezes when I enter). I have downloaded the most recent BIOS for the motherboard, but can't flash it from the BIOS menu because the mouse/keyboard freezes when it shows the menu with Flash from Disk option .. can I flash BIOS from |
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| 18:20.50 | jerz0 | (i have the latest BIOS on a USB disk, currently inserted) |
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| 18:21.21 | Hello71 | we don't know. |
| 18:21.29 | Hello71 | ask your motherboard manufacturer. |
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| 18:21.42 | Hello71 | or try a different keyboard. |
| 18:22.50 | jerz0 | is there an irc channel specifically for AVLINUX? |
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| 18:23.01 | Hello71 | maybe. /msg alis list *avlinux* |
| 18:23.24 | abrotman | jerz0: ##hardware is probably a better start |
| 18:23.41 | Hello71 | yeh, I don't see what the linux distro has to do with bios flashing |
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| 18:24.41 | jerz0 | on windows, i know there's a desktop application to flash the BIOS from the desktop .. my question is if there is an equivalent method for AVLINUX . .that's what makes this a distro question |
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| 18:34.36 | mo1991reg | jerz0. in my experience, you can either flash the new bios directly from the bios or you can use a piece of software that is provided by your motherboard manufacturer. Most motherboard manufacturers don't provide linux programs to do that to my knowledge. So you should just update the bios from the existing bios via a usb drive, etc with the new bios image on it. |
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| 18:36.27 | jerz0 | mo1991reg: thanks. my issue is that the BIOS is corrupted .. if i launch into it, sometimes the UI appears, sometimes not .. when it does appear, keyboard and mouse freeze so the BIOS locks up and I can't initiate the BIOS flash from there .. i'll look for a Gigabyte irc channel .. thanks |
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| 18:46.49 | momomo | mtn, my system is not slow .. it's very fast .. it only occurs in chrome and chromium .. |
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| 18:48.09 | mtn | momomo, I will respond in 1hr and 3min |
| 18:48.58 | teraflops | momomo: something related to your gpu? |
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| 18:49.46 | jerz0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.22 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.37 | jerz0 | teraflops: sorry for the noise .. i didn't realize there was a space in front of my copy/paste from my confirmation email |
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| 18:53.56 | teraflops | more than one space |
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| 18:54.32 | teraflops | jerz0: if you werent trolling I strongly suggest you to change that password |
| 18:55.17 | jerz0 | teraflops: no, not trolling .. genuine typo .. i've registered now, but how do i change pass? |
| 18:56.24 | teraflops | jerz0: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass |
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| 18:58.03 | jerz0 | teraflops: thanks. pass changed. sorry again for the noise. |
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| 19:03.17 | teraflops | jerz0: np, sorry for being rude |
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| 19:08.47 | jhutchins | jerz0: So back to your original question: Usually the program to flash a BIOS is at least manufacturer specific, and sometimes model specific. |
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| 19:09.17 | jhutchins | jerz0: As far as I know there isn't a generic program on any platform. At least not a universal one. |
| 19:09.48 | jhutchins | jerz0: The flash program comes from the manufacturer, and sometimes they will offer a bootable image with the program. |
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| 19:10.46 | jhutchins | jerz0: You used to be able to make boot floppies; you used to be able to use FreeDOS. There are update programs that run on linux, but not everybody offers them. |
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| 19:11.35 | teraflops | jhutchins: be careful, i just managed to flash some old bios in linux but again be careful as jhutchins says |
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| 19:13.41 | teraflops | ups I mean jerz0 srry |
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| 19:21.14 | neldogz | I just noticed that neither gnome-disks nor gparted allow you to set the block size of a partition. Upon checking I can see that its set to 512bytes by default. Is there a way to change the block size while creating a partition from a gui in Linux? |
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| 19:43.18 | jerz0 | jhutchins: thanks .. investigating those options now .. |
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| 19:52.24 | fishbulb | hey this gnome extension "openweather" |
| 19:52.27 | fishbulb | is not working |
| 19:52.43 | fishbulb | I can't change it to my city, the "ok" button is greyed out when I try to add any new city |
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| 19:53.12 | fishbulb | it's the standard one that comes with debian jessie gnome |
| 19:54.22 | Mrbitterness | Hey I'm having some trouble with my Zune not getting the right artist name when I sync to it, I think it may be because the .alb that's created is going to the wrong folder, but I can't move the .alb file for some reason. |
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| 19:57.24 | Aebian | anyone knows why Debian is not automounting a HDD on startup? Got latest Jessie and the System is telling me that the drive is set to automount |
| 19:58.55 | bazhang | in fstab or not |
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| 20:23.53 | wsky | ok got a headless, pretty modern pc machine, no screen atm, i want to install debian, options? |
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| 20:25.03 | fishbulb | hey, the openweathermap extension does not work |
| 20:25.15 | fishbulb | I can't change any city |
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| 20:33.50 | meejah | i have installed a new drive on an old macbook (3,1), which took a couple tries -- now I have two options in the (mac-provided) boot-loader (the one you get holding 'option'): one for "windows" and one for "EFI Boot". It only boots up fully with the "windows" (i'm guessing this is bios-compatilibtiy mode?) but I don't know how to get rid of the non-working EFI option |
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| 20:35.35 | meejah | (i have no OS X nor windows and am using debian jessie with grub-amd64-efi, but at one point had installed and removed grub-pc) |
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| 20:38.54 | jhutchins | meejah: If it's the Mac bootloader, it probably requires some osx tool to manage it. |
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| 20:40.11 | meejah | well, i don't really care about the mac bootloader (it's the firmware one?) but if I can get rid of the "EFI" bootloader from my drive, there will be only the working one. besides, I don't have the OS X discs for this machine anyway :/ |
| 20:40.17 | jhutchins | meejah: Or if it's old enough os9 |
| 20:40.29 | meejah | no, it was OS X |
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| 20:41.08 | meejah | the "EFI" one gets to unlocking the crypto-LVM, then appears to hang after systemd runs fsck |
| 20:41.13 | jhutchins | Take it to an Apple store? |
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| 20:42.46 | macondo | hi, how do i join 'services'? register my nickname? |
| 20:42.49 | meejah | haha. well, maybe. I tried that to get a new battery and they said it was "too old" so bought one online. |
| 20:43.26 | meejah | is there a grub2 option to wipe MBR? |
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| 20:44.44 | nitbix | hello! |
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| 20:45.16 | nitbix | I wonder if some nice person would be willing to help me with a broken dist-upgrade? :) |
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| 20:46.33 | nitbix | so half way through the dist-upgrade I got an error on libreoffice "dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: command dir_to_symlink is unknown" |
| 20:46.58 | nitbix | and now apt-get install -f refuses to do anything because it is unable to correct dependencies |
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| 20:50.00 | troyz0ne | hello anybody experiencing jessie hanging on ssd drive (samsung 850 evo) |
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| 20:51.03 | meejah | i have jessie running on such a drive, so unlikely related (just) to that? |
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| 20:52.27 | troyz0ne | meejah: ok i was running windows 10 and system was hanging so i checked cpu, changed memory and same issues |
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| 20:53.15 | troyz0ne | then i later installed jessie 8.2 dual boot efi same issues (Dell latitude e5450) |
| 20:53.15 | ironpillow | hi all, I have a free debian install on a 250GB SSD and I want to clone it onto a 32GB USB stick. How can I do this? tutorial/blog/video would be great. thanks |
| 20:53.25 | ironpillow | free = fresh |
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| 21:00.30 | wsky | the debian software raid guide is bit missleading |
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| 21:00.48 | wsky | raid first timer :< |
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| 21:09.12 | jhutchins | wsky: Write something better. New users are the best documenters, they don't make any assumptions about what you already know. |
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| 21:10.15 | wsky | jhutchins: will think about it, i'd start with removing all the lenny references ... |
| 21:10.24 | wsky | for now i'll have to get some sleep |
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| 21:11.51 | jhutchins | wsky: At least the Lenny erferences let you know when it was written and that it may be out of datae. Include something that dates your work when you write it. |
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| 21:12.24 | wsky | i wasted a 1gb per disk because of the guide |
| 21:12.34 | wsky | not a big deal but unproffessionall |
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| 21:16.32 | troyz0ne | i801_smbus 0000:00:1f.3: Failed to enable SMBus PCI device (-16) |
| 21:16.56 | troyz0ne | what could this error in dmesg signal |
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| 21:17.26 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 21:18.29 | johnfg | So, if I bring up, from an install cd, `gdisk /dev/sda` in order to convert mbr to gpt, can I then just create one small partition, write things out, go back to my wheezy system, and resize partitions? |
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| 22:46.40 | wsky | anyways guys, all working flawlessly |
| 22:46.43 | wsky | \o/ |
| 22:46.45 | wsky | debian powa! |
| 22:47.24 | wsky | jhutchins: ^ |
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| 23:12.41 | rafaelrcenteio | Hi,Im running Debian Jessie on my Hp g62 laptop. The temperatures seem to be a little bit higher before suspension than after.Is there something that could be causing it? thanks. |
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| 23:17.56 | Graf_Z4hl | Hello. |
| 23:18.25 | drocsid | I'm trying to burn a dvd on my laptop, but not having any luck. http://sprunge.us/TYRL |
| 23:18.42 | somiaj | rafaelrcenteio: usually temperature incrfease is related to some use, you can use top, htop or other tools to see what is using your cpu |
| 23:19.25 | Graf_Z4hl | I'm a Windows Server 2003 R2 guy, and our company want to switch to Linux (licensing costs, etc.). Is Debian a good replacement? We only provide our LAN-only web-based CRMs etc, connected to MySQL. |
| 23:19.58 | Graf_Z4hl | And our own CA and file server |
| 23:20.08 | rafaelrcenteio | somiaj, thanks forthe answer, but i've benn testing the computer temperatures and it is not related to the use. |
| 23:20.31 | Aebian | for alt tab possibilities between games & desktop is openbox a good solution? Or what could be better? |
| 23:21.21 | Brigo | drocsid, are you using wodim directly? |
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| 23:23.15 | somiaj | rafaelrcenteio: air flow? |
| 23:23.20 | drocsid | Brigo: yes, I have also tried growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/sr0=./systemrescuecd-x86-4.6.1.iso |
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| 23:23.46 | somiaj | Aebian: use the wm you like, I don't think one is going to be better than another provided it supports the wm standards for alt-tab |
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| 23:24.15 | drocsid | Brigo: sudo wodim -v -sao dev=/dev/sr0 ./systemrescuecd-x86-4.6.1.iso |
| 23:24.16 | tx | Hey guys, I'd like to use vfio to allow one of my GPUs to be passed through |
| 23:24.22 | Brigo | drocsid, wodim: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target. |
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| 23:24.34 | tx | but I have two of the same cards (on different ports), apparently I need to specify the card by hwid? |
| 23:24.34 | Brigo | drocsid, maybe it is just unsoported. |
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| 23:24.55 | drocsid | Brigo: it's odd b/c http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/scsi/1939/scsi:TSSTcorpDVD-ROMSU-108CB/ |
| 23:25.26 | somiaj | drocsid: look at dmesg and see if you can see if your reader is detected and what it is detected as |
| 23:25.37 | Graf_Z4hl | Can I get a short answer, please? |
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| 23:26.03 | Brigo | somiaj, it looks like it is: http://sprunge.us/TYRL |
| 23:26.13 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, yes. |
| 23:26.17 | paulE | </short answer> :) |
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| 23:26.54 | paulE | Unless you want enterprise support and SLAs, in which case, check out RedHat Enterprise. |
| 23:26.57 | Graf_Z4hl | paulE: :P |
| 23:27.00 | Graf_Z4hl | Thanks |
| 23:27.01 | Brigo | Graf_Z4hl, can't see what other asnwer would you expect from us :) |
| 23:27.27 | Graf_Z4hl | All what we need seems to be supported to me |
| 23:27.30 | somiaj | Brigo: ahh I saw that but missed it is only being detected as a DVD rom |
| 23:27.37 | Graf_Z4hl | Web server, MySQL, file server, and CA |
| 23:27.46 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, by support, I mean when things go wrong, if you need to call someone and expect them to fix it for you right away. |
| 23:27.51 | somiaj | drocsid: you only have one cd/dvd drive in the machine and you are usre it has burning capabilities? |
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| 23:28.27 | Graf_Z4hl | paulE: I'll create a test machine first ... it would be bad if our production stops :) |
| 23:29.07 | drocsid | I thought they all had write capabilities these days... |
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| 23:29.32 | drocsid | but maybe that's the issue... |
| 23:29.44 | drocsid | http://pastie.org/10626389 |
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| 23:30.13 | drocsid | I see cd/rw... |
| 23:30.32 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, .... no I highly recommend just wiping that production machine, putting on a blindfold, and cowboying it over the weekend. Be sure to update your resume first. :D |
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| 23:31.05 | Brigo | somiaj, i miss it being detected as a DVD too :) |
| 23:31.49 | Graf_Z4hl | paulE: lol |
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| 23:33.57 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, any distribution of linux is going to support the things you've outlined... web server, database, fileserver, certificate authority. Which distro you go with is going to depend on your needs and expectations. |
| 23:35.59 | Graf_Z4hl | We need a stable OS with security fixes |
| 23:36.12 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, you're not going to get more stable than debian. |
| 23:36.26 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, just remember that in three years ;) |
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| 23:36.53 | Graf_Z4hl | What do you mean with that? |
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| 23:37.40 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, debian stable releases are far and few between. This means if you need the latest features in some package, you're going to have to look into backporting. |
| 23:38.32 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, depending on what you're doing, this may or may not be an issue. Many distributions base off of debian, but provide more frequent updates. For example, ubuntu. |
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| 23:39.03 | Graf_Z4hl | We're a small company, with up to 10 employees |
| 23:39.33 | paulE | Graf_Z4hl, typically in a server environment, you're not going to need the latest and greatest. But it depends on what the application is. User count isn't an issue. It's how current do you need the packages available to you to be. |
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| 23:41.00 | Graf_Z4hl | If I'm correctly, our current Windows Server 2003 R2 runs with MySQL 5.3 and Apache 2.2 |
| 23:41.08 | Graf_Z4hl | I think it's not the latest, but it's stable |
| 23:41.23 | Graf_Z4hl | Please forgive me if I don't understand all, my english isn't really good |
| 23:43.09 | Brigo | hey! in jessie you will get apache 2.4! \o/ |
| 23:43.17 | somiaj | debian is more based on a frozen system (which we call stable) because it makes many aspects of production better |
| 23:43.21 | Aebian | eww apache |
| 23:43.37 | somiaj | debian also gives you the choice of other webservers. |
| 23:43.46 | Brigo | and mysql 5.5 too! |
| 23:43.57 | Brigo | and databases. |
| 23:44.01 | Aebian | somiaj: thanks for your input about wm's |
| 23:44.37 | Brigo | even kernels, you can use freebsd! (i think) :) |
| 23:44.51 | Graf_Z4hl | I think I/we can only say if we test our application with Debian on a test machine |
| 23:45.17 | Brigo | that's the wise path, but boring :) |
| 23:45.59 | Graf_Z4hl | all on a server environment is a little bit boring |
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