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| 00:05.57 | ironpillow | anyone? |
| 00:06.40 | bernat | ironpillow, errors? |
| 00:07.14 | ironpillow | bernat, no errors. machine just won't boot |
| 00:08.01 | mtn | ironpillow, you installed debian to the usb or you installed the iso to the usb? |
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| 00:08.41 | ironpillow | mtn, I installed debian, not iso :) |
| 00:08.55 | mtn | ironpillow, where did you install grub? |
| 00:08.59 | bytemonkey | are any debian repos down or something...? i can't get a stable update but I have no issues updating unstable |
| 00:09.01 | bernat | it's a SDD or pendrive? |
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| 00:11.12 | ironpillow | mtn, that's the part I am confused. I thought I insllated it on the flash drive (pen drive) itself but when I use "dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 | xxd" I don't see "GRUB" anywhere |
| 00:11.28 | ironpillow | brenat, pendrive |
| 00:11.51 | ironpillow | brenat, 32 GB Sandisk |
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| 00:12.11 | mtn | ironpillow, what happens when you try to boot the usb? doesn't see it at all? |
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| 00:13.20 | ironpillow | mtn, I see the usb in the bios disk selection menu. After selecting it nothing...cursor just blinks |
| 00:14.01 | mtn | ironpillow, sounds like on grub there. try reinstalling and make sure grub goes to the right place? sdb, not a partition |
| 00:14.10 | mtn | on/no |
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| 00:15.52 | bernat | ironpillow, did you create a partition table or just a unique partition? |
| 00:16.15 | ironpillow | mtn, ok will install and get back. Also this is a debian based package - from UNTANGLE called NG Firewall. Does that make a difference? |
| 00:16.37 | mtn | ironpillow, well, not supported here, to start with :) |
| 00:17.02 | ironpillow | brenat, I did not create a partition manually, just selected from the menu. |
| 00:17.28 | ironpillow | mtn, yeah, that's why I did not want to bother you guys with that specific info. |
| 00:17.35 | mtn | heh |
| 00:18.22 | ironpillow | it actually works if I install it directly on 250GB SSD. |
| 00:18.54 | mtn | ironpillow, no supported in this channel. perhaps that distro has its own channel |
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| 00:19.45 | ironpillow | mtn, nope. I searched and couldn't find one. But found out it was debian based so ended up here. |
| 00:19.56 | mtn | !based on debian |
| 00:19.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 00:21.07 | ironpillow | mtn, I promise I won't bother with specific questions about that software. Just common linux/debian question like "I did not find GRUB on my drive". Tell me if that's off limits and I will stop asking. |
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| 00:27.02 | Hello71 | ironpillow: we still don't like answering those questions because other distros may apply patches that change the behavior of the software |
| 00:27.15 | Hello71 | if you want generic linux support try ##linux |
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| 00:29.54 | ironpillow | Hello71, Got it. No problem. mtn and bernat were definitely helpful. |
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| 00:35.05 | MicroBit | hi |
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| 00:37.36 | bytemonkey | hi |
| 00:40.27 | MicroBit | im trying to run https://gist.github.com/mshuler/523095 ... but its telling me "permission denied (publickey) . |
| 00:40.32 | uxfi | is debian good for a server OS? |
| 00:40.53 | cra1g321 | uxfi thats like asking is the sun bright :P |
| 00:42.04 | uxfi | oh |
| 00:42.09 | uxfi | cra1g321: youre awake :0 |
| 00:43.00 | uxfi | cwas tryng to find you |
| 00:43.17 | cra1g321 | ok message me if you like |
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| 00:46.45 | MicroBit | what i mean by that is ... im trying to run "https://gist.github.com/mshuler/523095" by entering this command : ssh -t chat.freenode.net ~/bin/tailirclog_espeak.sh debian-devel | espeak |
| 00:47.00 | RandomNoob | guys installing debian first time. i choose debian desktop environment and mate. does that mean i will have only mate desktop ? |
| 00:47.06 | MicroBit | and it says "permission denied (publickey)" |
| 00:47.19 | tx | wait, why are you trying to ssh to freenode? |
| 00:47.26 | tx | do they offer something via ssh? |
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| 00:47.42 | MicroBit | cause im trying to do what the script says ... |
| 00:47.46 | MicroBit | i have no idea what ssh is |
| 00:48.07 | tx | Ah, the ssh part is if your IRC client is on a remote host |
| 00:48.12 | tx | and you want to read data from it. |
| 00:48.18 | MicroBit | yes |
| 00:48.28 | tx | so instead of putting chat.freenode there |
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| 00:48.39 | tx | you'd put the hostname or IP of whatever it is you're going to access the files on |
| 00:48.48 | tx | (a server that you have your IRC client running on or whatever) |
| 00:49.10 | tx | if your IRC __client__ is on the computer you are running the script on |
| 00:49.12 | tx | it is not necessary |
| 00:49.27 | uxfi | MicroBit: hey |
| 00:49.38 | MicroBit | uhm ... hi |
| 00:50.26 | MicroBit | tx : dont get it |
| 00:50.28 | MicroBit | :D |
| 00:50.32 | tx | :) |
| 00:50.43 | tx | Okay, ignore the SSH part |
| 00:50.51 | tx | you're talking to ME right now through some IRC client yes? |
| 00:50.57 | MicroBit | yes |
| 00:50.58 | tx | Using, nettalk. |
| 00:51.01 | MicroBit | yes |
| 00:51.06 | MicroBit | on a win machine |
| 00:51.07 | tx | is that script for nettalk? |
| 00:51.14 | MicroBit | i have no idea |
| 00:51.14 | tx | Oh. |
| 00:51.22 | tx | Why do you want to use it? |
| 00:51.39 | MicroBit | so i can listen to irc from my pi |
| 00:51.47 | MicroBit | by that i mean ... "audio" |
| 00:51.52 | MicroBit | text to speech |
| 00:52.12 | bytemonkey | has AOL been dropped from Debians CA's? |
| 00:52.25 | tx | MicroBit, you're better off finding a solution using microsoft's text to speech |
| 00:52.28 | tx | using microsoft narrator |
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| 00:53.25 | uxfi | listen? |
| 00:53.27 | Delf | Is there a way to install debian on striped lvm? |
| 00:53.34 | tx | oh wait, you said using a Pi. |
| 00:53.43 | tx | MicroBit, is the Pi running Debian? |
| 00:53.48 | MicroBit | tx : but i want my raspberry pi to "text-to-speech" a irc channel ... or log |
| 00:53.50 | MicroBit | of course |
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| 00:53.56 | tx | Ah, okay, this makes more sense. |
| 00:54.14 | tx | Well, you need to install and run an IRC client on the pi, duh :P |
| 00:54.23 | MicroBit | i do |
| 00:54.31 | MicroBit | one sec |
| 00:54.37 | tx | Okay, you need to configure that client to log to a directory. |
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| 00:55.28 | MicroBit | here i am |
| 00:55.29 | tx | guessing that's it |
| 00:55.33 | MicroBit | yeah |
| 00:55.48 | tx | it's logging to some place? |
| 00:56.32 | MicroBit | i have no idea ... but i know i have a client called "Konversation" and "Weechat" |
| 00:57.00 | awal1 | RandomNoob: yes, the installer will intsal mate dektop |
| 00:57.09 | tx | I do not use Konversation, so I do not know how to enable logging. It's a GUI program so it's probably not that hard to do. ;) |
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| 00:58.02 | MicroBit | ive found this here : http://www.kvirc.ru/forum/?topic=1737.0 |
| 00:58.26 | tx | ooh, that looks promising :p |
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| 00:59.21 | MicroBit | yeah and more complicated ... :( |
| 00:59.25 | jhutchins | MicroBit: It's in the configuration menu (or was in 3.5). |
| 01:00.06 | jhutchins | MicroBit: I believe it does require a good bit of KDE, which might be a bit much for a pi. |
| 01:00.39 | tx | I haven't used KDE for a long time. |
| 01:00.43 | tx | Does it look good now? |
| 01:00.45 | MicroBit | http://www.kvirc.ru/forum/?topic=1737.0 |
| 01:00.53 | MicroBit | sry |
| 01:01.10 | MicroBit | i mean /home/pi/logs ... |
| 01:01.32 | MicroBit | thats where the log files are for "Konversation" |
| 01:01.54 | tx | got espeak installed? |
| 01:02.04 | tx | (apt-get install espeak) |
| 01:03.13 | MicroBit | yes |
| 01:03.15 | MicroBit | installed |
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| 01:03.56 | MicroBit | and works |
| 01:04.09 | tx | MicroBit, tested it? ( echo "Hello" | espeak ) |
| 01:04.11 | tx | awesome :) |
| 01:04.13 | MicroBit | yes |
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| 01:05.26 | tx | MicroBit, okay, http://pastie.org/private/c90re3txqn0qtmhcqdccta |
| 01:05.42 | tx | Wait, forgot my hash bang. :( |
| 01:05.50 | tx | http://pastie.org/private/6jxqds9nvz71glskr5bt3a |
| 01:06.11 | tx | You need to run that as a script, and it takes a channel name as an argument (without the hash) |
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| 01:07.20 | micro2pi | so i need to name the script as a channel ? |
| 01:07.29 | micro2pi | no |
| 01:07.34 | tx | nope, call it whatever you want |
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| 01:07.42 | micro2pi | okay ... .sh |
| 01:07.50 | tx | but run it was "whateveryoucalledit.sh debian" |
| 01:07.56 | tx | to listen to the #debian channel ;) |
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| 01:08.02 | micro2pi | k |
| 01:08.24 | tx | By the way, I am guessing that script was configured specifically for the log format of a certain IRC client |
| 01:08.36 | tx | so your results will probably vary based on how Konversation saves its log files |
| 01:08.45 | micro2pi | yeah :/ |
| 01:08.49 | micro2pi | probably |
| 01:08.51 | tx | but, that's part of the fun :) |
| 01:08.54 | tx | experimenting |
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| 01:12.37 | micro2pi | hm |
| 01:12.50 | micro2pi | it alwas tells me "command not found" |
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| 01:12.58 | tx | did you make it executable? |
| 01:13.00 | tx | chmod +x file |
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| 01:14.46 | MicroBit | cannot find logs for #debian |
| 01:14.55 | MicroBit | the files have different names ... one sec |
| 01:14.59 | tx | it may be called something else, yes. |
| 01:15.08 | tx | (might be freenode-debian' for example) |
| 01:18.50 | micro2pi | well ... |
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| 01:19.34 | tx | ... well well. |
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| 01:25.20 | MicroBit | okay |
| 01:25.24 | MicroBit | the problem is ... |
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| 01:25.58 | MicroBit | the log-names start of with the "servername" ... and then the channel ... |
| 01:26.01 | MicroBit | like so : |
| 01:26.31 | MicroBit | debian irc_#debian.log |
| 01:26.58 | tx | with a space? |
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| 01:27.00 | MicroBit | and when i type in a channel .. it alwasy adds the "#" before that name ... and cant find the channel |
| 01:27.02 | MicroBit | yes |
| 01:27.10 | tx | you can probably change the naming format in konversation's setings |
| 01:27.22 | MicroBit | okay sec |
| 01:28.18 | MicroBit | no :( |
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| 01:28.48 | MicroBit | i can tell it to add the machines name ... |
| 01:28.59 | MicroBit | or make big letters/ small letters |
| 01:29.03 | tx | can you rename the network you have configured so it doesn't have a space? |
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| 01:29.05 | tx | spaces suck |
| 01:29.18 | MicroBit | lets see |
| 01:30.35 | MicroBit | no :/ |
| 01:30.46 | MicroBit | but i could try a different irc client |
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| 01:31.05 | tx | MicroBit, what do you mean? Didn't you configure the IRC network settings / auto channel joining? |
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| 01:31.24 | MicroBit | yes ... i did ... but it will always add this space ... |
| 01:31.40 | MicroBit | because the "network name" and the "channel" is something different |
| 01:32.00 | MicroBit | they get separated by a space on the log file ... and i cant change that |
| 01:32.59 | MicroBit | what i mean by that is ... i cant remove the space , because the client adds it to the log file |
| 01:33.05 | tx | okay, do this instead |
| 01:33.14 | tx | tail -n2 -F "PATH TO LOG FILE HERE" | sed -r 's/^.{6}.*(<.*> |\* )//;/-!-/d' | espeak |
| 01:33.22 | tx | (without quotes for log file name) |
| 01:33.51 | tx | so, path would be /home/pi/logs/whatever.log |
| 01:34.01 | MicroBit | no channel ... |
| 01:34.01 | MicroBit | ? |
| 01:34.24 | tx | nope, you are instead explicitly defining which log file to read |
| 01:34.32 | encfs | I have an encrypted root and a separate encrypted boot partition... I am dual-booting with arch and I have this set up working with arch, I have debian installed and this is the last part.. How do I add my root's keyfile to the initrd.img file? |
| 01:34.33 | MicroBit | ah |
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| 01:37.15 | MicroBit | okay ... well ... he is doing something ... but i dont hear a thing |
| 01:37.29 | MicroBit | i might try it again directly on the pi |
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| 01:45.20 | MicroBit | tx : okay ... well this doesnt work ... its seems like the command is doing something .. but i dont hear anything ... |
| 01:45.32 | tx | remove the espeak part |
| 01:45.33 | MicroBit | made a reboot and tested espeak .. so this does work |
| 01:45.35 | tx | the | espeak bit |
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| 01:45.40 | tx | you should get some text output |
| 01:45.54 | MicroBit | oh jee |
| 01:45.58 | MicroBit | sec |
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| 01:48.16 | MicroBit | tail -n2 -F "/home/pi/logs/debian_#debian.log" | sed -r 's/^.{6}.*(<.*> |\* )//;/-!-/d' |
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| 01:48.45 | MicroBit | tail -n2 -F "/home/pi/logs/debian_#debian.log" | sed -r 's/^.{6}.*(<.*> |\* )//;/-!-/d' |
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| 01:49.30 | micro2pi | well the outut is ... |
| 01:49.31 | micro2pi | [Sunday, 13. December 2015] [01:41:55] Beendenmarlinc hat den Server verlassen (Changing host). |
| 01:49.33 | micro2pi | [Sunday, 13. December 2015] [01:41:56] Betretenmarlinc hat den Kanal betreten (~marlinc@unaffiliated/marlinc). |
| 01:49.52 | marlinc | lol |
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| 01:50.29 | MicroBit | tx ^ |
| 01:50.51 | tx | https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/32qq9u/konversation_or_kvirc_with_text2speech/ |
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| 01:52.01 | MicroBit | jovie huh ? ... is that something for the pi ? |
| 01:52.16 | tx | apparently it is KDE's TTS system? |
| 01:52.22 | tx | I am not familiar with KDE-related anything. |
| 01:53.13 | MicroBit | hm |
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| 01:54.21 | troyz0ne | hello i have an ntfs partition mounted with ntfs-3g with the following options: |
| 01:54.48 | troyz0ne | rwx,nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0113,windows_names,exec |
| 01:55.29 | troyz0ne | partition get mounted alright but chmod 755 is not able to change the permissions |
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| 01:55.35 | troyz0ne | on files |
| 01:56.13 | troyz0ne | by default i want to mount all files as rw-r--r-- (644) |
| 01:56.20 | MicroBit | tx : ty for your time , i might have to dig around more to find something that suits me/my Pi |
| 01:56.49 | troyz0ne | any ideas |
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| 02:02.03 | MicroBit | i think ill stay here for a wile ... |
| 02:02.22 | MicroBit | marks his territory |
| 02:02.28 | MicroBit | :D |
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| 02:10.06 | encfs | I have an encrypted root and a separate encrypted boot partition... I am dual-booting with arch and I have this set up working with arch, I have debian installed and this is the last part.. How do I add my root's keyfile to the initrd.img file? |
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| 03:18.59 | poffs | why is openvpn and open SSL and pretty much every other package in the debian repo months outdated? |
| 03:21.06 | tx | poffs, I am assuming you mean Jessie right? |
| 03:21.22 | tx | Packages are frozen and then security updated are applied. |
| 03:21.46 | tx | If you want new shiny things quicker then you'd need to switch to testing/unstable |
| 03:21.51 | tx | (stretch/sid) |
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| 03:23.27 | poffs | I want stable GUI & other fun things, but I want vital applications like openssl and openvpn to be current. what do? |
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| 03:23.57 | tx | cherry pick and hope that the newer versions of openssl and openvpn don't break things. |
| 03:24.29 | tx | also backports |
| 03:24.30 | poffs | so... compile myself or how do you recommend cherry picking? |
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| 03:24.56 | tx | http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 03:25.58 | tx | poffs, once you've added to your sources list, "apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package" " |
| 03:26.08 | tx | and congrats, you've cherry picked :p |
| 03:26.44 | poffs | alright, I'll give that a shot |
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| 03:27.04 | tx | may want to look at the packages on backports before using though |
| 03:27.16 | tx | to see if what you're looking for is "bleeding edge"- enough |
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| 03:36.01 | sparky4 | i replaced my poopy single button track pad with a buttoned one on my thinkpad t440p |
| 03:36.28 | sparky4 | the physical mouse buttons work but the software do not reconize them... |
| 03:36.48 | tx | does it recognize it using xev? |
| 03:37.24 | sparky4 | let me see |
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| 03:38.09 | sparky4 | nope! |
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| 03:39.22 | bytemonkey | Hey guys, looking for a list of CA's for Debian...any one know how I can find out which ones I have? |
| 03:39.24 | tx | sparky4, http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=201835 |
| 03:39.29 | tx | that might be of use to you. |
| 03:39.33 | sparky4 | ok |
| 03:39.56 | tx | bytemonkey, you mean what comes with the ca-certificates package? |
| 03:40.45 | bytemonkey | tx: yes...I want to know which CAs are included... |
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| 03:41.28 | tx | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ca-certificates, download source |
| 03:41.34 | bytemonkey | thanks |
| 03:41.35 | tx | data is in mozilla/certdata.txt |
| 03:41.50 | bytemonkey | ok. that's exactly what I needed to know ^ |
| 03:42.21 | tx | if you do a grep for 'Trust for' |
| 03:42.29 | sparky4 | let nowhere... |
| 03:42.32 | tx | you'll get a list of ~194 CAs |
| 03:43.00 | bytemonkey | off hand, do you know if AOL is among them? |
| 03:43.18 | tx | # Trust for Certificate "America Online Root Certification Authority 1" |
| 03:43.18 | tx | # Trust for Certificate "America Online Root Certification Authority 2" |
| 03:43.22 | tx | I guess? |
| 03:43.29 | bytemonkey | yeah, I don't want those |
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| 03:43.55 | tx | probably better off just editing your CA list locally on your machine. |
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| 03:44.14 | bytemonkey | ok,...certdata.txt yes? |
| 03:44.42 | tx | On your machine, the certs are all put in /usr/share/ca-certificates |
| 03:44.49 | tx | (as .crt files) you can delete the ones you don't want. |
| 03:44.50 | bytemonkey | ok |
| 03:45.42 | cra1g321 | could also do "dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates" |
| 03:45.52 | tx | Ah, is there a wizard to select them? |
| 03:46.03 | cra1g321 | it will list them all, then you can untick them |
| 03:46.08 | tx | ooh, TIL. |
| 03:46.15 | bytemonkey | hm |
| 03:46.24 | tx | Sweet, seems like that is what you want. |
| 03:46.34 | sparky4 | tx: should i upgrade to debian 9? |
| 03:46.34 | bytemonkey | undoubtedly |
| 03:46.57 | tx | if it ain't broke |
| 03:47.03 | tx | why do it? |
| 03:47.13 | somiaj | sparky4: there is no debian 9. And I usually suggest stable + backports |
| 03:47.25 | cra1g321 | or just stable :D |
| 03:47.34 | sparky4 | i am on stable ... |
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| 03:47.40 | tx | Stretch. Life on the not-so-edge. |
| 03:47.58 | bytemonkey | done...thanks. |
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| 03:48.53 | sparky4 | i am rebooting ^^; |
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| 03:50.03 | Hobbes` | ARM users: Is there anything other than the cpu governor that influences cpu speed? My notebook runs fine on mains but crawls on battery |
| 03:51.33 | tx | Some BIOS configured power management? |
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| 03:54.09 | Hobbes` | It's a chromebook, don't think the "bios" does anything other than boot the system up |
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| 04:04.54 | Hobbes` | switched to the "interactive" governor and it's much more responsive |
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| 04:18.14 | hubert_ | hello, i'm trying to find unrar-nonfree in apt |
| 04:18.46 | cra1g321 | hubert_ there is unrar or unrar-free |
| 04:18.47 | AvatarA | you need to add distrib and non-free to your sources.list probably |
| 04:19.06 | AvatarA | contrib* not distrib, sorry |
| 04:19.21 | cra1g321 | think this i what you're looking for https://packages.debian.org/jessie/unrar |
| 04:19.49 | hubert_ | it's got better compatibility |
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| 04:23.01 | hubert_ | thanks AvatarA that did it |
| 04:23.09 | hubert_ | it shows up in apt-cache search |
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| 04:27.40 | kalebo1 | So i'm tearing my hair out trying to get mount.cifs working over a ssh tunnel |
| 04:28.17 | kalebo1 | I can correctly authenticate against the remote server, but mount fails with error(5): Input/output error |
| 04:28.43 | kalebo1 | Google has failed me; does anyone have any ideas I could try? |
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| 04:45.54 | kalebo1 | Bwahaha, I got it! The trick was to tell mount.cifs to use an older version of the SMB protocol. |
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| 04:51.29 | hagb4rd | hi. how can i regain control of a process when started with nohup? |
| 04:51.56 | somiaj | in the future run it inside of screen/tmux |
| 04:52.18 | hagb4rd | somiaj: so there is no way |
| 04:52.20 | somiaj | It might be possible to try to assoicate the process witha shell again, but i'm unsure if it is or how to do it |
| 04:52.34 | somiaj | I won't say no way, I will say screen/tmux is probabaly the tool you want to use |
| 04:53.22 | hagb4rd | yes. you're not the first one to mention it. unfortunatly i'm no admin, and it seems not be installed |
| 04:53.30 | hagb4rd | not to be* |
| 04:54.00 | hagb4rd | i'm just wandering how this is not part of the core functions of the os |
| 04:54.28 | hagb4rd | to login, start a program, logoff and then login and control |
| 04:54.38 | hagb4rd | sounds like a usual task to me |
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| 04:55.45 | somiaj | that is because screen/tmux are the tools for the job you want. |
| 04:55.51 | somiaj | http://superuser.com/questions/292440/how-to-attach-to-a-nohup-process |
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| 04:58.48 | hagb4rd | following one the links, somebody says i may disown with -h option .. blah |
| 05:01.07 | hagb4rd | " If the -h option is given, the job is not removed from the table, but is marked so that SIGHUP is not sent to the job if the shell receives a SIGHUP." |
| 05:01.32 | hagb4rd | is sighup like closing the terminal? |
| 05:01.55 | somiaj | that is the signal that gets sent to all the process spawned by the terminal when it is closed |
| 05:02.02 | somiaj | and you are just telling the process to ignore it |
| 05:02.19 | somiaj | you can send other signals to processes (via the kill command) |
| 05:03.00 | hagb4rd | yep. but that is what nohup or disown already does. the little difference may be that -h switch. |
| 05:03.30 | hagb4rd | not sure what from what "table" jobs are added / removed tho |
| 05:03.56 | hagb4rd | i guess the list i get with "jobs" |
| 05:04.13 | encfs | I have a question that is explained easier in this post: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=126134.... Could you check it out n give me your thoughts on how to get this done please... |
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| 05:04.57 | hagb4rd | thanks somiaj. |
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| 05:05.47 | somiaj | hagb4rd: well I would look into screen/tmux solutions and you can probabaly just install them in $HOME just fine |
| 05:06.09 | hagb4rd | wait i seem to have "screen" :) |
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| 05:35.21 | encfs | I have a question that is explained easier in this post: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=126134.... Could you check it out n give me your thoughts on how to get this done please... |
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| 05:48.35 | mah454 | Hello |
| 05:48.39 | mah454 | How can upgrade to plasma 5.5 ? |
| 05:48.41 | mah454 | I use debian testing |
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| 05:52.20 | somiaj | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 05:52.21 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; sid: 4:5.4.3-1; stretch: 4:5.4.3-1 |
| 05:52.40 | somiaj | mah454: you may just have to wait for it to be put into sid unless you like building things yourself |
| 05:53.03 | somiaj | then after it is in sid, it could take a while (depending on depedencies) to make it to testing |
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| 06:01.48 | Kaosu | Is anyone else having an issue with Debian 8 using the Gnome DE? While most everything works as it should, the icons in the menubar are all kinds of messed up when running an application. Specifically, the icon is huge and bleeds all over the menu. |
| 06:02.57 | participant | Kaosu, I had that but updates fixed it. unfortunately they took sound away from me. |
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| 06:06.25 | Kaosu | My installation is up-to-date, so I guess it is just something I will need to look into in my spare time. It isn't a major issue at all, but I will take a look at the bug tracker and try to help provide more information so the issue can get triaged more effectively. |
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| 06:10.09 | nezZario | Eh, my google fu isn't very good |
| 06:10.28 | nezZario | How can I see what a package provides (and not the other way around)? I just installed the 'gist' pkg and I have no idea how to invoke this or even get started |
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| 06:16.11 | rwp | nezZario, "dpkg -L gist | grep bin/" shows gist-paste. So 'man gist-paste' should bring up documentation on it. |
| 06:16.48 | rwp | nezZario, There is also always something in /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE so 'ls /usr/share/doc/gist' will show something. Such as README.md.gz in this case. |
| 06:17.00 | rwp | zless /usr/share/doc/README.md.gz will browse that readme file. |
| 06:17.09 | nezZario | thanks! |
| 06:18.00 | Kaosu | rwp: Thanks for the information. I never knew that packages always created something in /usr/share/doc. That will be useful to remember. |
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| 06:18.43 | rwp | Different packages will have uniquely different things there. Most have a README file of some sort. Some don't though. But always a good place to look. |
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| 06:26.40 | encfs | I have a question that is explained easier in this post: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=126134.... Could you check it out n give me your thoughts on how to get this done please... |
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| 06:42.36 | fishbulb | hey, if I want to uninstall something like flash player |
| 06:42.43 | fishbulb | and I'm not quite sure what it's called |
| 06:43.00 | cra1g321 | fishbulb, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:43.06 | fishbulb | how do I get apt-get to tell me things that are installed that might have "flash" or something like that |
| 06:43.07 | uxfi | hey cra1g321 got le message? |
| 06:43.17 | cra1g321 | uxfi nope |
| 06:43.22 | uxfi | ah |
| 06:43.43 | cra1g321 | send it now if you want |
| 06:43.52 | fishbulb | like I want to uninstall flash player, I don't know exactly what it's called, how do I search for it to know what it's called so I can apt-get uninstall flashwhatever |
| 06:44.30 | fishbulb | or is it apt-get remove thenameofthething |
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| 06:45.44 | cra1g321 | to remove a package = apt-get remove package |
| 06:45.55 | cra1g321 | to search for packages = apt-cache search package |
| 06:46.16 | fishbulb | apt-cache search fla |
| 06:46.25 | Terminus | fishbulb: for installed stuff, dpkg -l|grep foo |
| 06:46.37 | fishbulb | would that show me ONLY a package called fla |
| 06:47.04 | fishbulb | how do I get it to show me anything with fla anywhere in the name of the package |
| 06:47.27 | Terminus | fishbulb: i just told you how to search for installed packages... |
| 06:47.39 | fishbulb | terminus, can you please explain that command though? |
| 06:48.03 | Terminus | fishbulb: it lists all installed packages and then filters them for anything that contains foo in a line. |
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| 06:48.07 | fishbulb | what's -l what is the | and what is grep and what is foo |
| 06:48.55 | fishbulb | firstly, what's the pipe symbol, I should know that one already but I have used kde so long I don't have to use terminal much |
| 06:49.10 | fishbulb | only now with gnome does the desktop environment basically FORCE me to use terminal for a lot of things |
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| 06:49.25 | Terminus | fishbulb: -l lists installed packages, pipe sends the output of the previous command to the input of the next command, "foo" is just a placeholder for what you're looking for. |
| 06:49.38 | fishbulb | oh cool. thanks. |
| 06:49.48 | fishbulb | grep ? |
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| 06:50.28 | Terminus | fishbulb: grep filters lines based on regular expressinos. |
| 06:51.16 | fishbulb | sweet, I get that whole command now |
| 06:51.42 | Terminus | fishbulb: i suggest you learn how to read and understand manpages for every command you encounter. |
| 06:52.27 | fishbulb | how do I bring up the F manual? :P |
| 06:52.54 | fishbulb | man apt-get |
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| 07:02.24 | fishbulb | I want to "harden" this install |
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| 07:04.46 | fishbulb | I left this thing in root all night |
| 07:04.50 | fishbulb | and running |
| 07:05.26 | fishbulb | I know someone in these apartments is messing with wireless connections |
| 07:05.58 | fishbulb | because fields have been changed to fagmail and things like that for where you put your email |
| 07:06.31 | fishbulb | I have everhthing set to never save passwords so I have to manually type them, I have "self destructing cookies" in iceweasel |
| 07:06.54 | fishbulb | so I don't know exactly how this is happening, I THINK it's "through" my computer somehow |
| 07:07.06 | cra1g321 | fishbulb this channel is for support questions, not to talk to yourself ;) |
| 07:07.23 | fishbulb | how do I "harden" this install of jessie? |
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| 07:09.03 | fishbulb | or at the very least, how do I change the root password, and the user account password |
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| 07:13.38 | booboy | fishbulb: to change the root password, you need to be logged in as the root user in a terminal session. the command is passwd. man passwd. to change a user account password the command is passwd username |
| 07:13.58 | fishbulb | thanks |
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| 07:16.26 | tx | How does the debian installer generate fstab initially |
| 07:16.32 | tx | and is there a way I can replicate this |
| 07:16.35 | tx | (blkids and all) |
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| 07:29.58 | Lope | I'm trying to make a xclock time format. Currently I've got "%F %H h%M" which produces something like "2015-12-13 11 h24". But I don't want the space between the hour and the h. I of course can't remove that space otherwise the %H is actually interpreted as %Hh which does not exist as a variable. |
| 07:30.15 | Lope | I've successfully written my time in date format, which works `date +%F\ %H\h%M`. xclock, which uses strftime, has the option to use the time in date format. By using %+ but it's not doing anything for me. |
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| 07:43.03 | Lope | Ok sorted. |
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| 08:14.20 | glassresistor | im running gnome3 and can't find a way to set it so that my laptop stays on but blanks the screen when its closed |
| 08:14.36 | glassresistor | right now its suspending when i close it whether or not its plugged in |
| 08:14.55 | glassresistor | i'd like to blank when its closed if its plugged in but suspend if its unplugged |
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| 08:18.12 | ubik__ | glassresistor, https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation |
| 08:18.56 | glassresistor | ubik__: ? im not wanting it to suspend at all, i just want it to blank the screen |
| 08:19.06 | ubik__ | Then set it to "ignore" |
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| 08:20.00 | ubik__ | edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 08:20.17 | ubik__ | and put HandleLidSwitchDocked=ignore instead of HandleLidSwitchDocked=suspend |
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| 08:21.12 | glassresistor | ubik__: so docked means plugged in? |
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| 08:22.00 | ubik__ | yes |
| 08:22.30 | ubik__ | you have to edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf with root rights |
| 08:22.37 | ubik__ | and just reboot |
| 08:22.51 | glassresistor | ubik__: thanks i justed confused Docked for having a dock like ones on lenovo |
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| 08:22.55 | bernat | I've tried to crossgrade following the wiki page and now the system has broken dependencies after trying to swap all the packages. How can I return to a sane state? I would like to remove all i386 packages and install amd64 equivalents. |
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| 08:23.40 | glassresistor | oh also I've noticed grub now has an animation that slows down my boot |
| 08:23.58 | ubik__ | ? |
| 08:24.15 | glassresistor | is there a way to make grub skip the animation and just wait the defined timeout |
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| 08:25.26 | LesStrater | edit the menu file |
| 08:25.39 | glassresistor | ubik__: newer version of the grub boot loader have an animation where the background image has a loading animation which takes about 2sec and blocks loading |
| 08:25.46 | bernat | glassresistor, usually you can configure grub in /etc/default/grub |
| 08:25.51 | glassresistor | LesStrater: right but what setting, none of them look right |
| 08:26.39 | glassresistor | i just turned off the graphical terminal maybe that will help |
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| 08:31.43 | JimmyAx | Hi! Anybody knows where I can report bugs against the httpredir mirror? For some reason it started to think that I live in Switzerland instead of Sweden. |
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| 08:34.17 | LesStrater | just be glad it wasn't Norway :) |
| 08:34.32 | tx | blame your IP allocation |
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| 08:34.35 | tx | not httpredir |
| 08:35.14 | JimmyAx | The thing is that I don't think my IP has changed for several months, but I did notice this recently. |
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| 08:35.42 | pootsmk | Hi, I am trying to install qemu in Debian 8 stable, and after running `apt-get install qemu`, I can run `qemu-img` but not `qemu -hda ...`, which gives me a "qemu: command not found" error. What do I do about this? |
| 08:35.49 | tx | use a geoip tool to see "where your IP is" |
| 08:36.05 | tx | pootsmk, qemu is broken up into architectures |
| 08:36.45 | JimmyAx | I did both both my IPv& och IPv4. They look like they are in Sweden according to some websites. |
| 08:36.54 | tx | there is no 'qemu' command because the emulation binaries are called 'qemu-system-[arch]' |
| 08:37.09 | tx | for example, 64-bit x86 emulator is called qemu-system-x86_64 |
| 08:37.36 | tx | JimmyAx, hmm, maybe it's clever and does load balancing, and figured it would be better to direct you to Switzerland? :P |
| 08:37.43 | JimmyAx | lol |
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| 08:38.31 | pootsmk | tx, Thanks! That fixed it. I had noticed all of the "qemu-arch" commands and had tried running `qemu-x86_64` ... but yeah, `qemu-system-x86_64` is exactly what I needed. |
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| 08:39.10 | tx | Great. :) |
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| 08:48.27 | pootsmk | marvels at how fast qemu is ... |
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| 08:52.55 | t4nk743 | hi guys I don't know what happened to my debian install so I did a fresh install |
| 08:53.19 | t4nk743 | I am dual booting a mac with refind 0.10 and debian 8 |
| 08:53.44 | t4nk743 | when I install debian on the partition and setup the swap and linux boots |
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| 08:53.56 | t4nk743 | it just sits at a black screen with blinking cursor |
| 08:54.16 | t4nk743 | I can't get to any shell, it just hangs there no way to get any feedback from the system |
| 08:54.38 | t4nk743 | what is going on? |
| 08:54.41 | gzcwnk | sounds like boot laoder isnt right |
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| 08:55.12 | t4nk743 | i then went back to mac, downloaded 8.2 live cd put that on a usb and boot it |
| 08:55.24 | t4nk743 | that works to get to the desktop but no internet |
| 08:55.40 | t4nk743 | then I try to install debian, it goes through the motion and fails at installing grub |
| 08:56.06 | t4nk743 | using the livecd to look at the grub files /etc/default/[grub] is missing |
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| 08:56.57 | t4nk743 | this system is using grub 2, i don't know how to fix this |
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| 08:57.53 | yskapell | Hi all |
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| 08:58.14 | yskapell | What package need to install to solve this dependency? |
| 08:58.15 | yskapell | configure: error: OpenGL XLib dependencies not found |
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| 09:04.52 | fishbulb | hey, I had to upgrade the "weather" gnome extension because it was outdated and didn't work anymore |
| 09:04.57 | fishbulb | in jessie |
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| 09:05.33 | fishbulb | I've been having trouble with the touchscreen and pen input of this laptop not working properly when I suspend to ram |
| 09:05.41 | fishbulb | when it comes out of "Sleep" |
| 09:05.53 | fishbulb | is it possible that extension is outdated now too? |
| 09:06.27 | fishbulb | like, power settings or somtehing? it doesn't remember to dim the screen when I put it on battery power, I don't think it changes anything with the cpu when on battery power |
| 09:06.48 | fishbulb | it's hosing things at 100% full throttle when on battery power |
| 09:07.10 | JimmyAx | tx: Incase you are interested in the solution of my problem I found it. My IPv4 exists in the geoip-database package, but not my IPv6 which just points me to the generic EU location. I submitted a correction to upstream. |
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| 09:09.13 | fishbulb | are the power settings a gnome extension? |
| 09:09.20 | fishbulb | I have no idea, I've been using gnome for a week |
| 09:09.32 | fishbulb | I've ALWAYS used KDE, I'm giving gnome my best shot |
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| 09:24.52 | rabbitear | mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat' <-- interesting |
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| 09:29.27 | MACscr | ok, so most of my containers are ubuntu, but i have a couple debian ones. Anyway, on my debian jessie containers, i am missing /var/log/syslog for some reason within the container. note that all my containers are privileged |
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| 09:32.10 | babilen | MACscr: You are aware of journald ? |
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| 09:33.32 | MACscr | babilen: a bit, but syslog still exists though doesnt it? |
| 09:33.41 | MACscr | does on my other jessie systems |
| 09:33.47 | MACscr | physical ones |
| 09:34.03 | babilen | MACscr: I'm not sure about the containers, but it might not be included to save space |
| 09:34.38 | babilen | I'd check if the package is installed and take it from there |
| 09:35.27 | MACscr | babilen: which package? |
| 09:36.29 | babilen | MACscr: rsyslog (or whatever you use) |
| 09:37.11 | babilen | Well, in fact, *any* syslog package :) |
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| 09:38.03 | MACscr | ha, true. i dont know what why i didnt check that. figured with all the other logs there, it was installed, but it wasnt |
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| 09:39.01 | babilen | You might also want to investigate using journald (optionally with persistence) for whatever you are trying to do. |
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| 09:39.21 | babilen | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journalctl.html |
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| 09:45.00 | fishbulb | how do I upgrade the gnome power manager? |
| 09:45.37 | fishbulb | there are settings not here that I would expect, like "screen brightness when plugged in" and "on battery" and other stuff |
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| 09:47.47 | Gerowen | fishbulb: Have you checked the "Gnome Tweak Tool"? Should already be installed. |
| 09:48.01 | Gerowen | It has more advanced settings than what is displayed in the default power manager. |
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| 09:49.27 | fishbulb | yes, in that tweak tool, the only power options are |
| 09:49.43 | fishbulb | power button |
| 09:49.53 | fishbulb | (what happens when you push the power button) |
| 09:49.55 | fishbulb | that's it. |
| 09:50.06 | fishbulb | seriously there is nothing else |
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| 09:51.43 | fishbulb | "when laptop lid is closed" doesn't have any options at all for it |
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| 09:53.36 | fishbulb | which version of gnome is this? I don't evne know that |
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| 10:08.49 | BanHammor_ | Hi there! My debian installation spends 1,5 minutes each boot trying to mount the swap partition and timing out. Said swap actually gets mounted in the end, so i don't understand - why does it get timed out at all? |
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| 10:31.48 | DevGitter | DevGitter, hi |
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| 11:13.58 | tytan | I tried to start samba but debian 8 tells me the service is masked. What does that mean? |
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| 11:15.56 | jelly | tytan: there's a separate service for smbd, nmbd etc. instead of the all-encompassing "samba" one, now, so the old one is disabled |
| 11:16.14 | tytan | Ah, ok. I'll try that =) |
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| 11:22.52 | XeonSquared | alternatively, why did the installer remount /target as ro? |
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| 11:24.19 | tx | you can open up /var/log/syslog in an editor on another tty |
| 11:24.31 | tx | or.. you know, grep for something you think is a but sus. |
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| 11:26.51 | rabbitear | hey n13z |
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| 11:35.11 | tytan | jelly That was my mistake- |
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| 11:35.27 | tytan | jelly Thanks for telling me about smbd and nmbd =) |
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| 11:56.28 | varaindemian | how do I install ghc 7.10? |
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| 11:57.11 | SynrG | ,v ghc |
| 11:57.13 | judd | Package: ghc on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.4.1-4; jessie: 7.6.3-21; jessie-backports: 7.8.4-9~bpo8+1; stretch: 7.8.4-9; sid: 7.10.3-3 |
| 11:57.26 | SynrG | varaindemian: apparently the answer is "you run unstable" :( |
| 11:57.40 | SynrG | ,checkbackport ghc |
| 11:57.51 | judd | Backporting package ghc in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore, virtual. |
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| 11:57.52 | g00se | Why on earth would Network Manager try to connect my wired connection when i haven't even got a cable plugged in? |
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| 11:58.15 | Terminus | at this point, the most common answer i hear is "because NetworkManager" XD |
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| 11:58.48 | SynrG | varaindemian: or you backport it yourself. apparently jessie-backports has 7.8, so ... maybe 7.10 isn't awful. at least judd's output above suggests it is doable. |
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| 11:59.15 | SynrG | varaindemian: or you wait. when 7.10 migrates from unstable to testing, then it becomes a candidate for official backporting |
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| 12:00.49 | g00se | Terminus: and yet the same person is central to systemd - great ;) |
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| 12:01.06 | erAbuelo | hi |
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| 12:02.05 | Terminus | g00se: i really haven't had problems with NetworkManager. i don't think it has a place in servers though. just annoying to manage from the CLI. |
| 12:03.51 | g00se | I'm tempted to delete the wired connection but it's not possible (delete is grayed out) |
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| 12:05.24 | g00se | And wtf has it now taken to calling itself 'Ifupdown (eth0)'? That just sucks |
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| 12:07.27 | ghormoon | hi, anyone with experience with ncm modems? I can make it work as ppp, but that's slow and I didn't manage to make it work in ncm mode :( |
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| 12:09.52 | mis | ghormoon, Is your question Debian related? If not you might want to ask in ##hardware or ##networking aswell. |
| 12:10.24 | ghormoon | mis: well I'm setting it up on debian, not sure if I should be here or in hardware |
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| 12:12.27 | mis | ghormoon, for very specific hardware you might have more luck asking in multiple chans. |
| 12:13.26 | ghormoon | I hope lte dongles are not that rare anymore :) |
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| 12:18.49 | ghormoon | I can't find much info on how to start ncm modem manually. it creates the interface, but I still need to send it some AT commands to do something, right? |
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| 12:19.54 | jonee | hi, what's debian's position on gummiboot? |
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| 12:41.30 | teraflops | jonee: create a loader.conf |
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| 12:48.19 | jonee | teraflops, I just want to know debian's plans,,, I read that systemd wants to replace grub with this gummiboot, is debian just going to go with that, or how do you think it's going to go? |
| 12:48.58 | tx | um |
| 12:49.06 | tx | isn't gummiboot old and not maintained? |
| 12:49.19 | jonee | no idea |
| 12:49.26 | tx | I think that's the case. |
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| 12:49.43 | tx | oh, it was renamed to systemd-boot |
| 12:49.49 | tx | and is actively maintained under the new name |
| 12:49.50 | tx | I see. |
| 12:50.32 | teraflops | jonee: I actually do gummiboot I'm Debian Jessie. It was replaced by systemd-boot time ago. But Debian uses systemd 215 |
| 12:50.41 | teraflops | In* |
| 12:51.00 | tx | what are the pros of switching from grub-efi to gummi? |
| 12:51.15 | jonee | can systemd still use grub? do I need to take action? |
| 12:51.27 | tx | I'm using systemd right now with it |
| 12:51.32 | tx | (stretch) |
| 12:51.39 | jelly | jonee: that's the current default setup, so yes |
| 12:51.43 | teraflops | tx: gummiboot is simple as hell. Grub has more features |
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| 12:52.33 | jonee | jelly, you;re saying I do need to take action? |
| 12:52.48 | jonee | what if I want to stay with grub? |
| 12:53.10 | jelly | jonee: I'm saying a) debian moved slowly and b) does not actively break existing setups |
| 12:53.14 | tx | no action needed |
| 12:53.14 | jelly | moves* |
| 12:53.17 | tx | keep calm and carry on |
| 12:53.37 | tx | yeah |
| 12:53.43 | tx | oops, wrong tab :p |
| 12:53.48 | nkuttler | why would an init system care about your bootloader anyway? |
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| 12:54.05 | jonee | ok, good enough, thanks for the info |
| 12:54.08 | jelly | jonee: so feel free to try things out and file bug reports or revert back if they don't work for you |
| 12:54.30 | jonee | nkuttler: that's what I was wondering too |
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| 12:55.46 | jelly | nkuttler: the only relevant thing I can think of is APIs for passing boot parameters and boot related volatiles like keys to unlock FDE |
| 12:56.31 | jelly | you don't want to have to enter the disk decryption passphrase two times, once for the boot loader once for the kernel |
| 12:56.35 | jonee | what';s FDE? |
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| 12:56.54 | jelly | dpkg: wtf FDE |
| 12:56.55 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 12:57.07 | jelly | jonee: full disk encryption |
| 12:57.14 | nkuttler | jelly: that makes sense i guess |
| 12:57.22 | jonee | oh, which I don't have |
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| 12:58.31 | jelly | this is why the usual setup for linux is keeping /boot unencrypted so it's not technically "F" in FDE. |
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| 12:58.53 | jelly | but a boot loader stored in EFI could deal with that |
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| 13:01.12 | tx | I noticed |
| 13:01.22 | tx | as soon as I switched from grub-pc / mbr to gpt / grub-efi |
| 13:01.30 | tx | I lost my native res on console |
| 13:01.41 | tx | even after changing the gfx mode on default/grub |
| 13:01.43 | tx | won't work |
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| 13:03.26 | teraflops | jonee: http://mediagoblin.mysticemporium.xyz/u/prietus/m/gummiboot-debian/ -> debian booting with gummiboot |
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| 13:17.11 | tytan | Hi, I have troubles to figure out what to add to /etc/samba/smb.conf so only specific users have access to shared drives. |
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| 13:19.05 | tytan | Should the line be "valid users =" ? |
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| 13:22.21 | jelly | tytan: no idea, but does "man smb.conf" say anything about it |
| 13:22.38 | MicroBit | tx : ping |
| 13:22.44 | tytan | I'm reading the man file right now which is pretty big :D |
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| 13:23.55 | MicroBit | so i have this task here : |
| 13:23.56 | MicroBit | git clone git://pyaiml.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pyaiml/pyaiml |
| 13:23.57 | MicroBit | cd pyaiml |
| 13:23.57 | MicroBit | sudo python setup.py install |
| 13:23.57 | MicroBit | cd ../ |
| 13:23.57 | MicroBit | sudo rm -R pyaiml |
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| 13:24.21 | MicroBit | but the problem is , "git://pyaiml.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pyaiml/pyaiml" is dead |
| 13:24.42 | MicroBit | but i found this here : https://github.com/creatorrr/pyAIML |
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| 13:24.51 | MicroBit | now my question is ... |
| 13:25.03 | teraflops | MicroBit: running python setup.py as root is silly |
| 13:25.18 | MicroBit | well it doesnt work |
| 13:25.20 | teraflops | also sudo pip is silly too |
| 13:25.27 | MicroBit | uuuh |
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| 13:25.39 | Lionyx | I created a user with useradd. But it runs SH by default... i'd like it to run bash with all defaults from Debian (colors and paths and so on...) how to proceed? |
| 13:25.49 | teraflops | use virtualenvs or --user never sudo |
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| 13:26.24 | MicroBit | well ... that isnt really my problem here ... |
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| 13:27.02 | MicroBit | my problem is that i dont know how to install this pyaiml ... |
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| 13:27.13 | MicroBit | from https://github.com/creatorrr/pyAIML |
| 13:27.18 | Lionyx | should i change id in /etc/passwd? |
| 13:27.22 | Lionyx | it* |
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| 13:29.11 | Terminus | MicroBit: just install it with pip. it's in pypi anyway. |
| 13:29.17 | sunkan | Lionyx: There's a cmd "chsh" that will let you change the shell. |
| 13:29.33 | Lionyx | sunkan: wow. tks =D |
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| 13:30.45 | Voyage | Hi |
| 13:30.46 | MicroBit | Terminus : so ... that would be ... sudo python pip.py install ? |
| 13:30.47 | Voyage | I have added group priviliges and I am in the group but still I cannot get access. Can anyone see this? http://pastie.org/10629729 |
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| 13:31.54 | Terminus | MicroBit: maybe you should learn how python and its tools work first. the documentation for pip is at https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/ |
| 13:33.01 | tytan | Ok, I have some troubles with permissions. I want to access a directory which I created with a user but with another user. I only have read rights. So I did a "chmod -R 777 /path/to/directory" but I still can only access the directory with the user I created it with .... |
| 13:33.42 | MicroBit | okay , and when i install pip ... then https://github.com/brandonjackson/make-chatterbot will work ? |
| 13:34.07 | Voyage | something really fishy is going on. I have added group priviliges and I am in the group but still I cannot get access. Can anyone see this? http://pastie.org/10629748#16-18 |
| 13:34.33 | teraflops | MicroBit: you keep doing sudo pip install until you get yuor debian' repo python packages borked and then youll come here asking why |
| 13:34.44 | teraflops | your* |
| 13:34.58 | jelly | tytan: when you say "access", which exact command are you trying and how does it fail? |
| 13:35.03 | jelly | !ask |
| 13:35.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:35.27 | Terminus | MicroBit: yeah, don't use pip as root. i never install python modules as root. |
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| 13:35.49 | MicroBit | jesus ... |
| 13:35.51 | tytan | jelly It's about my samba shared. I want certain users to only access certain directorys. But the is one directory which should be accessable by all users :) |
| 13:35.54 | teraflops | heh |
| 13:35.56 | MicroBit | i dont even know what pip is |
| 13:35.57 | jelly | MicroBit: you probably want to set up and use virtualenv as a particular user |
| 13:36.09 | MicroBit | why ? |
| 13:36.15 | MicroBit | im just on a rasperry pi |
| 13:36.21 | Terminus | MicroBit: and that goes back to me saying you have to learn python and how its tools work. |
| 13:36.40 | jelly | to keep this python environment neat and changes separate from the system python |
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| 13:38.00 | teraflops | MicroBit: python is extremely finicky with versions that's why virtualenvs or even --user (~/.local) is the way to go |
| 13:38.42 | MicroBit | jesus ... christ ... man ... |
| 13:38.43 | Lionyx | Is there any problem setting 700 mode to a user ? |
| 13:38.44 | Terminus | is a fan of --user |
| 13:38.48 | teraflops | MicroBit: lol |
| 13:38.48 | MicroBit | okay , ill use -user from now on |
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| 13:39.23 | teraflops | you better rely in virtualenvs, anyway --user is better that sudo :P |
| 13:39.34 | Terminus | but for projects, <3 virtualenvwrapper |
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| 13:39.40 | teraflops | Terminus: oh yes |
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| 13:40.18 | Terminus | skip virtualenv and go straight to virtualenvwrapper. =) |
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| 13:40.59 | MicroBit | oh you guys ... :( |
| 13:41.39 | teraflops | Terminus: you can also make systemd units i made one for gmusicproxy just /opt/virtual_env/gmusicproxy/bin/python2 /opt/virtual_env/gmusicproxy/bin/GMusicProxy ... |
| 13:43.06 | teraflops | MicroBit: nah youll get used to it |
| 13:43.19 | Terminus | teraflops: wait what? why'd you need python to make systemd units? they're just text files... |
| 13:43.43 | teraflops | Terminus: in this case it is a service |
| 13:44.07 | Terminus | teraflops: yeah but that has nothing to do with systemd. you can just write unit files to handle daemon startup for you. =) |
| 13:44.47 | teraflops | Terminus: oh I meant i did a systemd unit form a python project in an virtualenv |
| 13:45.09 | teraflops | from* |
| 13:45.53 | Terminus | teraflops: i see. yeah, easy enough to do i think. |
| 13:46.18 | teraflops | Terminus: yeah easier than creating the debian package :P |
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| 13:46.28 | MicroBit | tx : ping |
| 13:46.39 | Terminus | teraflops: even if you made a package anyway, you'd still need the unit files. =) |
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| 13:46.48 | teraflops | Terminus: sure |
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| 13:48.36 | Voyage | ikonia, sudo login user1 worked for me. Thanks |
| 13:49.22 | teraflops | Terminus: sorry my english is a mess, my point was how easy is interaction with virtualenvs even with systemd units |
| 13:49.45 | Terminus | teraflops: gotcha. |
| 13:51.12 | Somelauw | Hey guys, I automatically want the command 'apt-get update' to be run once an hour. What would be the best way to do this? I was thinking of putting a file in /etc/crontab.hourly. |
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| 13:52.37 | Terminus | Somelauw: seems a tad overkill. once a week would be sufficient i think. |
| 13:52.42 | fishbulb | can flash grind everything to a slow shitty halt |
| 13:52.50 | fishbulb | and how do I uninstall it |
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| 13:53.17 | fishbulb | also which version of gnome does jessie ship with, how do I either downgrade it, or upgrade it? |
| 13:53.24 | teraflops | fishbulb: you mean the flashplugin? |
| 13:53.42 | Guest68956 | Somelauw: also consider the unnecessary load on your mirror's servers |
| 13:53.56 | fishbulb | the flash plugin yes, iceweasel crashes or freezes all the time because of it |
| 13:54.29 | teraflops | fishbulb: heh I avoid flash |
| 13:54.30 | fishbulb | unless there's some problem with iceweasel, why isn't there firefox available? |
| 13:55.03 | fishbulb | "The internet" is a bit difficult without flash |
| 13:55.07 | Somelauw | But on the other hand, I don't want to be a week late with installing security updates. |
| 13:55.19 | teraflops | fishbulb: flash plugin is the same shitty thing in ff too |
| 13:55.50 | fishbulb | yeah I know but firefox seems to have frequent updates |
| 13:56.32 | fishbulb | I dunno if functionally that's much different but it's kind of mentally reassuring every time the actual firefox developers put out a new version of firefox |
| 13:56.47 | teraflops | fishbulb: I have to disagree with "The internet" is a bit difficult without flash" |
| 13:56.48 | Guest68956 | Somelauw: subscribe to debian-security-announce per https://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 13:57.09 | fishbulb | teraflops: most sites use flash, there has to be A flash plugin |
| 13:57.11 | teraflops | anyway is what I think |
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| 13:57.56 | teraflops | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:57.57 | fishbulb | youtube, facebook (which unfortunately everyone with the internet uses, so I have to use it to keep in contact with family and see pictures of their damn babies) |
| 13:57.57 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1 |
| 13:58.18 | fishbulb | yeah I want to get rid of flash and see if "fresh" does the job |
| 13:58.18 | teraflops | fishbulb: hehe |
| 13:58.21 | Somelauw | By the way, I see there is already a sort of template for an apt-get update in /etc/crontab.daily/apt, but configuring that file seems more complicated than creating a simple crontab myself. |
| 13:58.30 | Guest68956 | fishbulb: youtube.com/html5 |
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| 13:58.46 | fishbulb | not all of youtube is in html5 |
| 13:58.56 | teraflops | fishbulb: you do not need flash for youtube, about facebook I have no idea |
| 13:59.05 | fishbulb | you do need flash for facebook |
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| 13:59.23 | fishbulb | regardless, there are too many sites that do need some kind of flash player |
| 13:59.41 | teraflops | fishbulb: can you link me to non html5 youtube video, in pv if it annoys the channel |
| 13:59.42 | fishbulb | there is fresh-pepper-whatever installed on this and actual flash too |
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| 14:00.39 | fishbulb | teraflops I woudln't know which ones do or don't, I have flash installed |
| 14:00.50 | jelly | fishbulb: all sites that care about mobile users have _some_ sort of flash-less way to access content; even adobe said this is the last major release of flash; there will not be newer ones |
| 14:01.05 | teraflops | fishbulb: then enable contrib and install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:01.16 | fishbulb | jelly they said that but then they kept releasing flash |
| 14:01.31 | jelly | only security patches for the time being |
| 14:01.32 | Guest68956 | I thought that youtube was all html5 by these days. Even if it didn't, visit youtube.com with a Mobile user-agent (copy chrome's one from the internet) and you're fine |
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| 14:01.45 | fishbulb | flash still exists though, it hasn't disappeared yet |
| 14:01.54 | jelly | it's disappearing. |
| 14:02.03 | fishbulb | for the meantime I keep seeing "you need the flash plugin to view this content" |
| 14:02.10 | teraflops | Guest68956: sure also you can use mpv+yt-downloader |
| 14:02.45 | fishbulb | I realise they acknowledge it is a ram hogging mess that needs to go forever |
| 14:02.46 | Guest68956 | teraflops: personally I use midori or ''surf -u'' + mobile user-agent |
| 14:02.55 | jelly | youtube-dl breaks very often with sites like dailymotion |
| 14:02.58 | fishbulb | but it hasn't gone YET |
| 14:03.03 | Guest68956 | or VLC |
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| 14:04.25 | teraflops | jelly: yt-dwonloader needs to be updated frequently in my opinion but yes sure it's not perfect |
| 14:04.45 | teraflops | lots of changes in the web sites I suppose |
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| 14:10.27 | fishbulb | can't use speedtest.net without flash |
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| 14:11.10 | jelly | fishbulb: install speedtest-cli |
| 14:11.18 | fishbulb | no no no |
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| 14:11.33 | jelly | ,i speedtest-cli |
| 14:11.34 | judd | Package speedtest-cli (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Command line interface for testing internet bandwidth using speedtest.net. Version: 0.3.1-1; Size: 12.0k; Installed: 89k; Homepage: https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli/ |
| 14:12.19 | fishbulb | that's like all those phone apps for stupid things that are just wrappers for the mobile sites |
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| 14:12.35 | fishbulb | "HEY INSTALL OUR APP!" hey, no, I'll just go to the website |
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| 14:13.18 | jelly | except it works, and exists in debian |
| 14:13.41 | fishbulb | for the meantime, flash has to exist |
| 14:13.44 | jelly | http://speedof.me/ which is html5-only |
| 14:14.39 | fishbulb | wow something is clogging up my isp |
| 14:15.09 | fishbulb | one single strand of fibre can carry 69terabits of data? |
| 14:15.42 | fishbulb | and the fibre they're laying while converting the whole country is like |
| 14:15.48 | fishbulb | a trench worth |
| 14:16.35 | fishbulb | there is no copper in this city other than for power |
| 14:18.05 | fishbulb | http://speedof.me/show.php?img=151213141750-6928.png |
| 14:18.13 | fishbulb | ok this can't be possible |
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| 14:23.04 | Lionyx | guys... I want a link to point to a directory... with ln -s link /media/directory i get link inside directory. how should i proceed? |
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| 14:26.14 | jelly | Lionyx: you may be getting the syntax for ln -s wrong -- first original (source), then named link |
| 14:28.12 | Lionyx | jelly: tks man... translation is a bit confusing in my manual. =) |
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| 14:30.05 | Somelauw | I see anacron is installed by default, does that mean that by default all pending crontabs are executed on startup? |
| 14:30.39 | Somelauw | I mean I have some crontabs running once a minute. |
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| 14:31.46 | jelly | Somelauw: only the system-global daily, weekly and monthly ones are. |
| 14:32.01 | jelly | Somelauw: look at /etc/crontab |
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| 14:32.37 | Somelauw | okay, okay only those. So if I want not that I show put them in crontab -e JOBS |
| 14:33.10 | jelly | sorry, I don't understand that sentence |
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| 14:33.59 | teraflops | Somelauw: yes crontab -e and add whatever you want |
| 14:34.02 | Somelauw | jelly: Okay, so if I install them with crontab -e they won't run if my computer is turned off and when I put them in one of /etc/cron.* they will. |
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| 14:35.02 | jelly | Somelauw: partially correct; only /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly} are managed by anacron (you can see that in /etc/crontab) |
| 14:35.18 | Somelauw | jelly: Yep, that's a pretty messed up sentence of mine. 'show' should have been 'should'. |
| 14:35.22 | jelly | /etc/cron.d/* is not |
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| 14:37.52 | Somelauw | jelly: thanks, I see now |
| 14:41.34 | MicroBit | so i managed to get https://github.com/brandonjackson/make-chatterbot working with https://github.com/andelf/PyAIML |
| 14:41.47 | MicroBit | but it only worked one time ... and now i always get : |
| 14:41.53 | MicroBit | http://pastebin.com/vchQM6dW |
| 14:43.02 | MicroBit | does anyone have any idea what i have to change ... to make this work ? |
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| 14:47.27 | fakeseries | hi |
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| 14:49.16 | LaytonEversonPHP | I have installed debian and upgraded, i'm not sure what I did wrong but xwindows doesn't start and i'm not sure how to start x manually. |
| 14:49.37 | LaytonEversonPHP | My computer boots strait to tty0 login |
| 14:49.50 | bernat | LaytonEversonPHP, which version did you install and how did you upgrade? |
| 14:50.06 | dvs | LaytonEversonPHP: startx to start manually. Install a display manager to start it automatically |
| 14:50.11 | dontknow | startx |
| 14:50.25 | LaytonEversonPHP | I dried start x, xwindows never fully started. |
| 14:50.31 | dvs | no spac |
| 14:50.32 | dvs | e |
| 14:50.34 | LaytonEversonPHP | I updated to the latest KDE |
| 14:51.24 | vandox | Stable, unstable, testing? |
| 14:51.48 | LaytonEversonPHP | first stable, then I tried something I found on a forum and it pushed it up to testing |
| 14:51.54 | bernat | please, answer my question so we have more info |
| 14:52.01 | bernat | ok |
| 14:52.24 | LaytonEversonPHP | How can I determine versions of everything from the command line? |
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| 14:52.39 | dvs | LaytonEversonPHP: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:53.29 | LaytonEversonPHP | One moment, rebooting it because it froze when I ran startx |
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| 14:53.51 | bernat | you should use stable, read the following: |
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| 14:53.55 | bernat | !dontbreakdebian |
| 14:53.56 | dpkg | methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 14:54.45 | LaytonEversonPHP | bernat, I agree, my version change was accidental, hoping my update would just reconfigure my default window manager. |
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| 14:55.22 | LaytonEversonPHP | I'm on stretch/sid |
| 14:55.26 | dontknow | LaytonEversonPHP, apt-cache policy package_name |
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| 14:56.46 | dvs | LaytonEversonPHP: I'd reinstall to get back to Jessie |
| 14:56.47 | LaytonEversonPHP | ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension |
| 14:57.00 | LaytonEversonPHP | Unable to locate package_name |
| 14:57.02 | wulllst | should "apt-get update" work if executed by a normal user instead of root? |
| 14:57.30 | wulllst | i mean in a standard debian system. |
| 14:57.59 | LaytonEversonPHP | Is there a way to downgrade? |
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| 14:58.15 | bernat | The easiest path might be to reinstall in case it's just recently installed. If that's possible I wouldn't think much about it. |
| 14:58.38 | bernat | you can downgrade but it's not guaranteed to work |
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| 14:59.47 | LaytonEversonPHP | I'm worried that I will mess it up again. during the kde upgrade it told me something was going to go wrong with kde because it was running from a console or something |
| 15:00.09 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 15:00.09 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 15:03.04 | bernat | LaytonEversonPHP, why would you mess it again if you're running stable? |
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| 15:03.39 | dvs | sns? |
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| 15:04.39 | LaytonEversonPHP | bernat because the first time I messed it up was a regular update rather than an upgrade |
| 15:04.56 | LaytonEversonPHP | I think I did it installing graphics card drivers |
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| 15:07.59 | LaytonEversonPHP | I'll do it, I just didn't know if there was a common thing that you have to do when KDE is updated... |
| 15:08.58 | bernat | You should follow advice in the link above. Installing software out of Debian can break the system when not handled carefully. |
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| 15:10.59 | LaytonEversonPHP | I'll read it. The only thing I did was enable non-free.. i'm not sure how it went to testing. Thank you. |
| 15:11.29 | morphles | After rather big update (I am [was?] on testing), xinit does not work at all, startx uses my .xinitrc but no input works (nether mouse nor keyboard) |
| 15:11.49 | SynrG | LaytonEversonPHP: enabling non-free should be a matter of taking the existing stable line and editing it. if you cut-and-pasted an additional line that had testing in it, that could've been where you went wrong. |
| 15:11.50 | morphles | Looking on the net is seems to be something with evdev, though no good solution can be found |
| 15:12.00 | morphles | Only some discussion on arch forum |
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| 15:13.53 | bernat | LaytonEversonPHP, be careful when following advice from random forum posts. Rather ask here or search the Debian wiki. |
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| 15:15.00 | bernat | after installing stable, you can enable non-free and contrib, and in case you need some newer packages you can use also debian backport. Just read about it in the manual or wiki then ask here any doubts you may have. |
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| 15:20.12 | LaytonEversonPHP | thanks bernat. |
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| 15:22.25 | Lionyx | I hit Ctrl+C on the wrong window and stopped apt-get upgrade. now if I run that it says 01 package not going to be updated. how do resume that? |
| 15:23.55 | somiaj | Lionyx: ctrl-C terminates the job. |
| 15:24.11 | somiaj | Lionyx: what part of the 'upgrade' process did you do this? In the downloading, in the unpackging, in the installing? |
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| 15:24.50 | Lionyx | somiaj: configuring.. some triggers |
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| 15:25.10 | somiaj | Lionyx: run this command, dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:25.17 | somiaj | Lionyx: then run apt-get -f install |
| 15:25.26 | somiaj | see if that is able to get things back into a working state. |
| 15:25.38 | zh1 | what would i need to install on debian jessie to have fn keys availabe on a toshiba satellite laptop? |
| 15:26.49 | somiaj | zh1: they might be available just not configured by your desktop |
| 15:26.53 | somiaj | zh1: what desktop/de do you use? |
| 15:26.56 | Lionyx | somiaj: first command did no returns and second kept the one package unupdated. |
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| 15:27.14 | zh1 | somiaj: im on lxde, cant seem to find where that is setuped |
| 15:27.15 | somiaj | Lionyx: paste the output of the command at paste.debian.net (The apt-get -f install) one |
| 15:27.25 | somiaj | zh1: most likely lxde doesn't have these configured by default. |
| 15:27.38 | somiaj | zh1: run this command 'xev' then inside the window it pops up, hit the fn+whatever key |
| 15:28.13 | somiaj | zh1: you should see some output like XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86TouchpadToggle, etc |
| 15:28.15 | Lionyx | somiaj: it's in portuguese. and it's only one line :) |
| 15:28.18 | zh1 | somiaj: for example to fn+f6 to get my screen more light |
| 15:28.36 | somiaj | if you see this, they keys are just working, they just haven't be bound to an action and you'll have to manally do this |
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| 15:29.08 | AvatarA | lxde comes at a price, you have to configure that stuff yourself; that's how light it is :) |
| 15:29.09 | somiaj | Lionyx: LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
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| 15:29.27 | somiaj | Lionyx: I need to see some output to be of more help if the generic commands I gave you didn't fix it |
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| 15:29.56 | zh1 | somiaj: AvatarA ok, but i do that config on GUI or terminal? |
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| 15:30.03 | somiaj | zh1: i.e. on my dell all my fn keys register key events, but I had to program what each one does indviduially due to the wm I used. |
| 15:30.11 | AvatarA | .config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml |
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| 15:30.22 | somiaj | zh1: first do what I suggested, and figure out the name of the key you want to use |
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| 15:30.31 | somiaj | zh1: then find a command or write a script that will do what you want |
| 15:30.32 | AvatarA | you define shortcut keys and commands for them |
| 15:30.32 | zh1 | AvatarA: ah that file again |
| 15:30.37 | somiaj | zh1: last bind that command to the key |
| 15:30.43 | Lionyx | zs1: I had a simillar problem... with xrandr --output LVDS1 --brightness 0.7 you get brighness changed? (values from 0.1 to 1) |
| 15:31.03 | somiaj | and yes you can use xrandr or other tools to change the brightness |
| 15:31.20 | somiaj | note xrandr may not use the blacklight of the laptop, it will change the brightness but may not be what zh1 wants |
| 15:31.27 | zh1 | somiaj: xfce does this auto? |
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| 15:31.59 | somiaj | unsure |
| 15:32.01 | AvatarA | as far as I can remember I didn't have to go through all this manual labor with xfce |
| 15:32.12 | AvatarA | also, you can try mate |
| 15:32.14 | morphles | man x was *ed up great in the latest update... |
| 15:32.26 | somiaj | zh1: some desktops have default bindings for some of them, but I don't use such desktops. To me they are bloated and I would rather take the time to configure things myself |
| 15:32.48 | Lionyx | zh1: Test the line I told you before. On mine, it did nothing, until i changed something on grub, if it works this way ok, if not, I can drive you through the grub thing. |
| 15:32.51 | somiaj | morphles: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:33.01 | zh1 | AvatarA: just installed lxde cause it light and this pc has 3gb |
| 15:33.14 | morphles | was runing debian testing, did a big apt-get upgrade, rebooted |
| 15:33.22 | morphles | and get various "noverly" error messages |
| 15:33.26 | Lionyx | somiaj: tks man. i'll just uninstall the icedove and install it again. I'm on a remote term, far from home. Kernel just upgraded and i'm afraid to run a reboot :) |
| 15:33.42 | morphles | tty pemrision denied virtual console permision denied, startx, no input devices working... |
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| 15:33.57 | AvatarA | 3 gb is enough even for gnome if your video card is well supported and if your hard disk isn't too slow |
| 15:34.00 | Lionyx | zh1: 3GB is a lot of mem :) |
| 15:34.03 | somiaj | morphles: how often do you do upgrades? xorg is no longer set-uid, so depending on your hardware your user may not have permisions needed and you need to configure your system to deal with this. |
| 15:34.23 | morphles | wait wait, depending on my hardware? |
| 15:34.29 | morphles | what kind of setup is that? |
| 15:34.38 | somiaj | !xorg root |
| 15:34.38 | dpkg | From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards (xorg-server 1.17.3-1), the Xorg server is no longer setuid root, reducing the risk of privilege escalation security problems. This relies on logind and libpam-systemd and moves the logs to ~/.local/share/xorg; use the xserver-xorg-legacy package and see Xwrapper.config(5) if you'd rather a setuid root X. |
| 15:34.39 | morphles | this is some udev stupidity? |
| 15:34.58 | somiaj | morphles: no, xorg use to run setuid root which is no longer the case |
| 15:35.04 | morphles | yeah I know that |
| 15:35.10 | somiaj | morphles: due to this you may have to ensure you are in the correct group for things to work out. |
| 15:35.22 | morphles | and how do I get to know what is correct group? |
| 15:35.30 | somiaj | morphles: again you didn't give me any info on what is broken. I was just pointing out this is a major change that could have issues |
| 15:35.39 | somiaj | morphles: check your logs, give some errors. FIgure out what about xorg is not working |
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| 15:36.06 | morphles | first of "xinit" gives cannot open /dev/tt0 (no such file or directyory) |
| 15:36.09 | somiaj | all I was doing was listing the one major change I know that could cause issues in testing. Note testing is a testing system so changes like this sometimes have bugs/negative effects during the upgrade |
| 15:36.12 | morphles | Its hard to paste withing ttys |
| 15:36.29 | morphles | yeah, thanks for help, still imo changes were not done cleanly that such breakage ensues |
| 15:36.42 | zh1 | Lionyx: its not so much but for lxde is good |
| 15:36.51 | morphles | startx gives cannot open virtual console 1 (permission denied) |
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| 15:37.11 | somiaj | morphles: do you not understand that testing is a testing release and part of making it so changes happen smoothly is to test them. |
| 15:37.15 | morphles | thouhg some minnutes ago, startix managed to start x, just no input worked |
| 15:37.33 | morphles | yeah I do, just running it for liek 2 years there were no issues :) |
| 15:37.34 | somiaj | morphles: check the xorg log (which is now located in $HOME) |
| 15:37.36 | zh1 | somiaj: doesnt seem hard to add the key bindings problem is more know the name of what triggers |
| 15:37.52 | morphles | log contains same stuff what is printed in tty |
| 15:37.58 | Lionyx | zh1: it really is a lot! You can run kde if you wanted. (not with all features avaiable, but could!)... I would recommend you xfce .It's not that "low graph" agressive and comes with lots of features. |
| 15:37.58 | somiaj | morphles: well until the last 6 months, those 2 years were during jessie's freeze. Life in testing is way eazier when it is frozne. |
| 15:38.38 | zh1 | Lionyx: i dont use kde is too heavy |
| 15:38.39 | somiaj | morphles: the tty0 issue seems strange, as it is working just fine on my sid box. |
| 15:38.55 | somiaj | morphles: do you use a custom xorg.conf file or a blank one? |
| 15:39.02 | morphles | somiaj: I'd gess you use systemd? |
| 15:39.08 | morphles | not that I could find one |
| 15:39.19 | morphles | just there seems to be some "default looking" nvidia generated |
| 15:39.20 | somiaj | morphles: yes I use systemd |
| 15:39.22 | Lionyx | zh1: I think somiaj already awnserd you. use xev do determine the key presses names. |
| 15:39.24 | morphles | basically saying use nvidia driver |
| 15:39.25 | zh1 | Lionyx: xfce is what i use for me, this laptop is not mine, but am thinking on removing lxde and put xfce |
| 15:39.29 | morphles | well I do not use systemd |
| 15:39.42 | somiaj | morphles: there have been some bugs with xorg and not using systemd, track them down |
| 15:39.53 | somiaj | morphles: if you don't want to deal with bugs like this, run stable. |
| 15:40.08 | morphles | this is the part where I'm this is precisely why I'm not running systemd:) |
| 15:40.17 | morphles | it's infecting everything it touches |
| 15:40.58 | somiaj | morphles: xorg is working just fine for me (and plenty of others) in testing and sid. But during transitions things break and you need to track down why it broke and see if there is a bug report on this or report to it |
| 15:41.10 | morphles | man I mis times when x won't start due to boched drivers, those were simple to fix... |
| 15:41.16 | somiaj | I do recall some bug about not using systemd and xorg having troubles. Maybe try to look up the bug |
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| 15:42.07 | morphles | yeah I'm looking for stuff for quite some time, rather hard to find it, at least by erro messages |
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| 15:42.32 | somiaj | morphles: they should be in the xorg log or dmesg which is now located in $HOME (see the note the bot gave) |
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| 15:42.51 | arunpyasi | hi guys |
| 15:43.00 | morphles | yeah saw that, anywats will continue on my own |
| 15:43.06 | morphles | thanks somiaj |
| 15:43.08 | arunpyasi | is ffmpeg-php available in debian squeeze repo ? |
| 15:43.40 | somiaj | morphles: note, depending on your use case, jessie may be better if you don't like things to break. The transitions in testing/sid have been quite rocky (: |
| 15:43.58 | somiaj | !tell arunpyasi about search |
| 15:44.36 | somiaj | arunpyasi: I'm not seeing any packages by the name ffmpeg-php (or containg that string) in debian |
| 15:44.46 | zh1 | Lionyx: ok |
| 15:45.33 | zh1 | Lionyx: when i press xev it should give key names? |
| 15:45.53 | somiaj | zh1: xev gives you lots of output |
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| 15:46.10 | morphles | i would guess that problem is that i login in "login" and not in logind |
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| 15:46.16 | zh1 | somiaj: aint seing output here |
| 15:46.25 | Lionyx | zh1: run it from a terminal. press one key and read (it really is a lot!) press another and see what changes... there's a field with the X name of the key. |
| 15:46.30 | somiaj | zh1: but it opens up a window, when you hit the key in that window you'll get a lot of output |
| 15:46.39 | somiaj | morphles: do you have systemd-shim installed? |
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| 15:47.09 | morphles | yes |
| 15:47.27 | zh1 | somiaj: this works on terminal |
| 15:47.38 | somiaj | zh1: yea the otput goes to the terminal. |
| 15:47.52 | Lionyx | somiaj: i don't know if i'm helping or messing it lol |
| 15:48.04 | somiaj | zh1: note sometimes it is best to not even be running an de/wm when doing this as if the wm/de grabs the keybinding xev won't ever see it. |
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| 15:51.08 | morphles | somiaj: thanks for help. got annoyed with this too much, just went with suid x, from xserver-xorg-legacy |
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| 15:52.09 | Lionyx | I forgot the name of that CLI software that gives a ascii image of the system you're running with the hardware. which was it? |
| 15:52.25 | gh156 | screenfetch |
| 15:54.51 | Lionyx | gh156: tks! |
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| 16:13.56 | Cyclohexane | For some reason my system time has changed to 5th Jan 2016 - pretyt sure it wasn't incorrect before... how do I correct it? It's causing issues with aptitude update saying Release files have expired |
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| 16:14.28 | kallu | hi friends |
| 16:14.44 | kallu | I am having problem installing i3 windows manager |
| 16:14.58 | kallu | can anyone help me out with that |
| 16:15.13 | Lionyx | kallu: apt-get install i3 (that's how I did it :)) |
| 16:16.16 | kallu | how much time it will take |
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| 16:16.52 | kallu | I mean it is almost 4 hours still downloading |
| 16:17.22 | jelly | Cyclohexane: as root, date -s 'Sun Dec 13 16:16:56 UTC 2015' |
| 16:17.26 | somiaj | is your internet connenct just really slow? Are you using a slow mirror? What verison of debian are you running? |
| 16:17.29 | somiaj | kallu: ^^ |
| 16:17.39 | Lionyx | kallu: strange thing. apt tells you the ammount of Mbs or Gbs before you accept the download. is there any how to get over there in your term? |
| 16:17.44 | kallu | yes my internet is very slow |
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| 16:18.34 | jelly | ,depends i3-wm |
| 16:18.35 | judd | Package i3-wm in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libcairo2 (>= 1.6.4-5~), libev4 (>= 1:4.04), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.22.0), libpcre3 (>= 1:8.35), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.10), libx11-6, libxcb-cursor0 (>= 0.0.99), libxcb-icccm4 (>= 0.4.1), libxcb-keysyms1 (>= 0.4.0), libxcb-randr0 (>= 1.3), libxcb-util0 (>= 0.3.8), libxcb-xinerama0, libxcb1 (>= |
| 16:18.36 | judd | 1.6), libyajl2 (>= 2.0.4), perl, x11-utils. |
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| 16:19.17 | jelly | not too much stuff if X and gtk2 was installed already |
| 16:19.30 | kallu | http://imgur.com/sjSzKnp |
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| 16:20.00 | somiaj | oh this is kali not debian |
| 16:20.03 | somiaj | !kali |
| 16:20.04 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 16:20.13 | jelly | kallu: you're on Kali Linux, not Debian. Their repository may have issues, ask in their channel ^^ |
| 16:20.14 | Lionyx | ow 8kbps??? |
| 16:20.22 | kallu | :p |
| 16:20.22 | Lionyx | kali? |
| 16:20.28 | Lionyx | humm... |
| 16:21.16 | somiaj | i.e. why installing i3-wm is also installing a lot of stuff from gnome and gir only kali would know. |
| 16:21.31 | kallu | The Kali Linux distribution is based on Debian Wheezy |
| 16:21.34 | jelly | don't dare to guess |
| 16:21.49 | jelly | kallu: based on, and different from. |
| 16:22.15 | somiaj | kallu: note you are downloading hundereds of packages which if running debian stable and wanting to isntall i3-wm wouldn't have happened. You need to talk to kali support about their packages/repos. |
| 16:22.22 | kallu | is i3 available in dpkg form |
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| 16:22.40 | jelly | kallu: ask them which release of Kali you're running, and whether you have correct repos configured for that specific version. |
| 16:23.17 | somiaj | i.e. on jessie i3-wm (with xorg already installed) would have been 15 packages and about 1.6megs of data to download. |
| 16:23.25 | somiaj | (at least on my system) |
| 16:23.33 | Lionyx | How can I download the Debian Manuals (is it already with in my system)? To read offline? |
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| 16:23.50 | somiaj | Lionyx: what paticular manual, many of them have a -doc package you can install |
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| 16:24.00 | Cyclohexane | jelly: thanks, odd how it changed and csf didn't notify (until randomly 2mins ago - bit late) |
| 16:24.57 | somiaj | Cyclohexane: you cna also run ntpd and it should keep your clock synced (though the jump you had is strange), if you have a constant internet connenction ntpd might help deal with drift and other issues in the future. |
| 16:25.08 | somiaj | I don't htink this issue is drift, so that was more just a generic suggestion |
| 16:25.27 | jelly | kallu, somiaj: trying to install i3 from jessie (= debian 8) repositories on a wheezy (= debian 7) install might have similar results, but we don't know which kali release you're using and which repositories you're using. Ask in #kali-linux. |
| 16:25.47 | bobbyz | Hi guys, I'm working on a minimal debian build for an embedded device and noticed something curious: when building with debootstrap --variant=minbase, I end up with 131 installed packages, whereas using the debian installer with a preseed file that specifies 'tasksel tasksel/first multiselect none', 'd-i pkgsel/install-language-support boolean false', and 'd-i base-installer/install-recommends boolean false', I end up with 225 |
| 16:25.49 | bobbyz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:26.17 | Lionyx | somiaj: I mean... user manual. basic stuff. and adm tasks... basically all of https://www.debian.org/doc (that by the way, doesn't allow me to read in English, just on the outdated translation with a big warning! |
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| 16:27.12 | somiaj | bobbyz: debootstrap doesn't install a kernel, a boot loader, locales and other packages that you may need, and I don't know if you can get the installer to be this minimial. |
| 16:27.19 | kallu | 3.7-trunk-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.7.2-0+kali5 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:28.33 | hagb4rd | rehi. i'm trying to run "screen" on a putty ssh terminal. according to the manual simply starting "screen" i should see some disclaimer, then be able to execute some commands, then: pressing "Ctrl+D A" should print out "[screen detached]". but that's not what's happening. instead when i type "screen" i immediately get the message "[screen is terminating]". is something not setup correctly? what's wrong? |
| 16:28.48 | bobbyz | somiaj yeah, I figure it's probably not a use-case that the installer maintainers would build for, but thought maybe I was missing a couple d-i settings that are tucked away that someone might know about |
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| 16:29.39 | smw_ | Hi all, anyone know how setarch works? I am on an arm64 system and I want it to look like armv7. The issue is that the closest option when I do setarch --list is linux32 which is armv8. |
| 16:29.49 | smw_ | Is it possible to set an arbitrary architecture? |
| 16:29.49 | Lionyx | hagb4rd: Ctrl+D A? is it not the other way around? A and then D? SOrry... i dont use screen anymore to help you more. |
| 16:30.29 | somiaj | bobbyz: I think embedian has a channel on irc.oftc.net, let me check. yea it is #debian-embedded |
| 16:30.50 | bobbyz | somiaj aha! Thank you very much! I'll check-in there |
| 16:30.57 | somiaj | smw_: well what do you think would happen if you set an arch your kernel didn't support. |
| 16:31.31 | hagb4rd | lionyx: yes. you're right. but it doesn't work either. i get the "[screen is terminating]" message immediately after i start "screen" |
| 16:31.32 | smw_ | somiaj, ah, so that is the problem... |
| 16:31.38 | somiaj | smw_: I've only seen it used to differ between 32bit and 64bit, and I'm unsure if the armv8 kernel can support armv7 instruction sets. |
| 16:32.08 | smw_ | somiaj, I want to try it an see what happens! |
| 16:32.28 | smw_ | somiaj, any easy way to do that? Perhaps editing something in /proc I really really shouldn't? :-) |
| 16:32.29 | hagb4rd | lionyx: for me it sounds like it is unable to start screen. |
| 16:32.49 | hagb4rd | i may be totally wrong tho |
| 16:33.03 | somiaj | smw_: I don't know enough about arm to be of much help, but that is my guess, the kernel for the armv8 won't support armv7 instruction sets. |
| 16:33.17 | smw_ | somiaj, what is the worst that can happen? :-) |
| 16:33.47 | smw_ | somiaj, I am just trying to get uname to say it is armv7 so that stuff compiles that way |
| 16:34.03 | Lionyx | hagb4rd: probably that. Did you try tmux? |
| 16:34.04 | somiaj | smw_: world peace? Unsure, it setarch may use info from your kernel and just abort if you don't give it a valid option. |
| 16:34.18 | somiaj | smw_: so you want a cross compiler? |
| 16:35.15 | smw_ | somiaj, I am really tying to bootstrap nix from a debian chroot. To do that I need to compile everything as armv7 since it doesn't support v8/64bit |
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| 16:35.41 | smw_ | somiaj, but yeah, I am trying to do a bunch of cross compiling :-) |
| 16:36.05 | hagb4rd | lionyx: wait. is that sth else than screen? if so i believe it's not installed .. |
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| 16:36.27 | somiaj | smw_: well I dont know about this, but that would be my question. It wouldn't be 'how to get setarch to do foo', it should be 'how would I cross compile armv7 on a armv8 install' |
| 16:36.33 | somiaj | smw_: I don't know the answer. |
| 16:36.59 | Lionyx | hagb4rd: tmux is another terminal multiplexer, like screen, you would have to install it. I suggest you try it if it's possible. |
| 16:37.03 | hagb4rd | lionyx: but i believe my issue is nothing that can't be solved. it's just that i'm a total noob. |
| 16:37.07 | smw_ | somiaj, yeah, I have been hitting my head on this for awhile |
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| 16:37.29 | Lionyx | hagb4rd: too bad man, another noobie here! =D |
| 16:37.29 | somiaj | smw_: I think there is a arm channel on irc.oftc.net for debian, maybe you can get some help there. |
| 16:37.30 | hagb4rd | lionyx: so you never ran into such issues with screen. right? |
| 16:37.36 | hagb4rd | okay. |
| 16:38.29 | hagb4rd | somiaj: can u help? |
| 16:39.09 | hagb4rd | somiaj: trying to run "screen" on a putty ssh terminal. according to the manual simply starting "screen" i should see some disclaimer, then be able to execute some commands, then: pressing "Ctrl+D A" should print out "[screen detached]". but that's not what's happening. instead when i type "screen" i immediately get the message "[screen is terminating]". is something not setup correctly? what's wrong? |
| 16:39.32 | Lionyx | Do you guys know of any tool to help manage cooling??? My notebook gets hot! So damn hot! I don't know if it's normal to get this sort of wristle heating. |
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| 16:40.10 | jelly | hagb4rd: Ctrl+A then D, not Ctrl-D then A |
| 16:40.32 | somiaj | hagb4rd: I do not know why screen is not correctly running a shell and terminating |
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| 16:40.41 | somiaj | hagb4rd: the command you are running is just 'screen'? |
| 16:40.44 | fmost | hello |
| 16:40.44 | hagb4rd | jelly. yes. sry. that's not the issue thi |
| 16:40.57 | somiaj | hagb4rd: was this a screen you installed in $HOME because your system didn't have it installed in the first place? |
| 16:41.10 | AvatarA | Lionyx, probably better to clean the fan/coolers if you didn't do that in a long time |
| 16:41.13 | Lionyx | hagb4rd: did you tried Ctrl+A and then S (uppercase S)? |
| 16:41.17 | fmost | for a question on dd, gzip and lvm snapshot of a debian system is this the right channel to ask a question? |
| 16:41.46 | jelly | hagb4rd: run "screen". Press enter a couple times. do you have a fresh shell open? Show the output of "screen -ls" at that point. |
| 16:41.52 | Lionyx | AvatarA: I think i'll have to do it this way. |
| 16:42.29 | fmost | the question: i am creating an lvm snapshot of my root lvm partition, and then running dd if=/dev/snapshot | gzip -c | dd of=/backup/path/img.gz |
| 16:42.31 | hagb4rd | somiaj: it seems to be installed by the admin. according to https://www.debian-administration.org/article/34/Using_GNU_Screen i should see some disclaimer after i simply start "screen". and yes. it seems to clear the console when i type screen |
| 16:43.03 | Lionyx | loolll.... so screen is running :D try splitting the screem with Ctrl A + S (uppercase S) |
| 16:43.10 | hagb4rd | do i need to be a member in a group |
| 16:43.18 | hagb4rd | second |
| 16:43.21 | fmost | for a root partition with 22G full (according to df -h), this result in a more than 26G backup file that does not fit in my backup partition (which is almost full) |
| 16:43.27 | jelly | hagb4rd: the admin may have set up a non-default screenrc to suppress the annoying welcome screen |
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| 16:43.59 | fmost | still, compressing 22G should not result in something so much bigger <_< |
| 16:44.20 | jelly | hagb4rd: can you show the output of "screen -ls" after running the screen command |
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| 16:45.02 | jelly | fmost: how large is your root lv ? |
| 16:45.19 | fmost | 83G |
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| 16:45.36 | hagb4rd | jelly: No Sockets found in /var/run/screen/S-hagb4rd. |
| 16:45.37 | jelly | fmost: there may be non-zeroed empty space on it that cannot be compressed efficiently |
| 16:45.39 | fmost | never used it much, so i don't think it should matter, but i am running zerofree now |
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| 16:45.50 | jelly | fmost: good thinking. |
| 16:46.14 | hagb4rd | jelly: ctrl A + D is just giving me a "d" |
| 16:46.52 | hagb4rd | jely: (i suppost ctr + a should wait for a command key, right?) |
| 16:46.55 | jelly | hagb4rd: that output says you do not have screen running at all |
| 16:47.02 | hagb4rd | jelly: okay. |
| 16:47.09 | hagb4rd | jelly. how to fix it? |
| 16:47.13 | encfs | Hi, I've found a tutorial that helps with the scenario of an encrypted boot in debian... I can't understand the following part, could someone make sense of it.. It's the part at "So far, so good" part to the "Now, the cryptroot hook will copy the cat..." part... : http://www.pavelkogan.com/2015/01/25/linux-mint-encryption/#fnref:script |
| 16:47.16 | fmost | jelly, i have to unmount it to zerofree it <_< |
| 16:47.16 | jelly | hagb4rd: which debian release is this? |
| 16:47.29 | hagb4rd | how do i check this? |
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| 16:47.42 | fmost | which was exactly the reason why i wanted to use an lvm snapshot in the first place, no reboot |
| 16:47.56 | jelly | fmost: you can just fill the empty space with a huge zero-filled file, then delete it. |
| 16:48.04 | fmost | right |
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| 16:48.24 | fmost | probably better not to fill it completely for obvious reasons tho :P |
| 16:48.29 | jelly | avoid having a snapshot while doing that. |
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| 16:48.39 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 16:48.39 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 16:48.41 | jelly | hagb4rd: ^^ |
| 16:48.44 | somiaj | hagb4rd: cat /etc/debian_version or lsb_release -sc |
| 16:49.40 | hagb4rd | wheezy |
| 16:49.48 | hagb4rd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.04 | fmost | yes, of course |
| 16:50.11 | hagb4rd | should i try it? |
| 16:50.12 | jelly | hagb4rd: screen -dmS somename, has a single - |
| 16:50.19 | hagb4rd | please. guys. |
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| 16:50.24 | hagb4rd | i just want to tun it. |
| 16:50.26 | hagb4rd | run it. |
| 16:50.31 | hagb4rd | no matter how. |
| 16:50.36 | hagb4rd | lol |
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| 16:51.12 | somiaj | hagb4rd: you need to help us debug what is going on if just typing 'screen' doesn't work. Run the command jelly gave you then return (or paste) the output |
| 16:51.16 | hagb4rd | screen -dmS somename, has a single - <-- yw. but will it do it? |
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| 16:51.20 | jelly | hagb4rd: what does ls -ld $(readlink -f $(which screen)) say? |
| 16:51.31 | hagb4rd | oh must have missed it |
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| 16:51.54 | yskapell | Hi all |
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| 16:52.24 | hagb4rd | jelly: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 410688 Sep 3 21:07 /usr/bin/screen |
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| 16:52.51 | hagb4rd | somiaj: which command? |
| 16:53.16 | jelly | hagb4rd: that looks sane |
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| 16:53.33 | hagb4rd | i just thought when there is no socket, why not just start one..wouldn't that be the first thing to try? |
| 16:53.40 | hagb4rd | i have no idea how tho? |
| 16:53.57 | jelly | hagb4rd: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 16:54.06 | yskapell | I am running debian Jessie on a raspberry pi and I want to install Enlightenment. I need to do it from source or the deb packages ? |
| 16:54.32 | jelly | yskapell: which r.pi model? Are you sure you're not running raspbian? |
| 16:54.41 | hagb4rd | jelly: Linux h2149196.stratoserver.net 2.6.32-042stab111.12 #1 SMP Thu Sep 17 11:38:20 MSK 2015 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:54.47 | yskapell | raspberry 2 |
| 16:55.00 | yskapell | The raspbarrian ia debian Jessie OS |
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| 16:55.07 | jelly | hagb4rd: okay. so you have an openvz or virtuozzo VPS. |
| 16:55.37 | hagb4rd | yw. but... |
| 16:55.42 | hagb4rd | :D |
| 16:55.52 | jelly | hagb4rd: you may have other limits imposed on it, like the number of background processes |
| 16:56.10 | hagb4rd | so i should NOT try opening a socket |
| 16:56.13 | hagb4rd | like never |
| 16:56.16 | hagb4rd | lol |
| 16:56.30 | hagb4rd | (i believe the deamon is just not started or sth) |
| 16:56.38 | hagb4rd | could it be? |
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| 16:57.22 | jelly | hagb4rd: what does "ps -fu $USER" say? Use paste.debian.net to paste the whole output |
| 16:57.32 | hagb4rd | why don't you answer? |
| 16:57.36 | hagb4rd | that question? |
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| 16:57.45 | hagb4rd | like: no. |
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| 16:58.03 | Guest74240 | Helo, I've got a rasperry pi with kodi installed. How can I stream the sound from my Debian Desktop PC to Kodi? (or with a music player)? |
| 16:58.19 | jelly | hagb4rd: the "screen" command automatically starts the background process and it opens the socket. You've already tried doing that, so now I'm trying to figure out more about the environment to get a clue why that might happen. |
| 16:59.03 | hagb4rd | jelly: no screen in the list. |
| 16:59.04 | jelly | night not* happen |
| 16:59.19 | jelly | hagb4rd: can you show the whole output in a paste, please |
| 16:59.55 | hagb4rd | jelly: ah okay. i did not try to open a socket manually though ..just saying. and thanks for help!! |
| 17:00.39 | jelly | there's no way to manually open a unix socket for screen other then, y'know, by running screen |
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| 17:01.22 | hagb4rd | jelly: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3MpVRuUx |
| 17:02.27 | jelly | hagb4rd: consider the possibility you've reached some arbitrary number of processes imposed by your provider. |
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| 17:03.36 | hagb4rd | not really. i can start a lot more. put them in the background. disown. all things. but i can't regain control of a process after logout. that's what i want thogh. |
| 17:03.47 | jelly | hagb4rd: I'd get rid of (some of) those pending ssh-agents, and try starting screen again |
| 17:04.04 | hagb4rd | jelly: the system is not very restricted at all. i can run node.js server and all kind of things. |
| 17:04.36 | jelly | hagb4rd: humor me. pkill -f ssh-agent, log out, log back in, and run "screen" |
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| 17:09.34 | Lionyx | Guys... when I run pmount, by default it mounts on read mode. How to I make it default for R/W ?? |
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| 17:11.50 | somiaj | pmount? |
| 17:12.55 | jelly | ,i pmount |
| 17:12.56 | judd | Package pmount (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: mount removable devices as normal user. Version: 0.9.23-3+b1; Size: 83.0k; Installed: 733k; RFA: #689854 |
| 17:13.24 | Lionyx | or if there's any other better solution, i'm open to hear :) |
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| 17:13.35 | jelly | Lionyx: which fs type? |
| 17:14.12 | jelly | you're supposed to pmount as normal user and it ought to Just Work |
| 17:14.13 | Lionyx | jelly: lots of. running to mount my usb sticks inside i3 window manager. But mostly NTFS and FAT32 |
| 17:14.54 | Lionyx | jelly: when I run pmount it mounts in read-only mode. I have to pumount it and mount -w. I'm looking for some config to do the -w auto. |
| 17:15.25 | jelly | Lionyx: do you have consolekit bits running with i3? Is your user member of plugdev group |
| 17:17.05 | jelly | I do not know what's the best way to give a wm user access to all those additional groups, presumably something to do with consolekit |
| 17:17.09 | Lionyx | jelly: my user is a member of plugdev, but i don't know what consolekit is. |
| 17:17.22 | jelly | so that's fine |
| 17:18.19 | Tom01 | Does the internal Speaker work on Debian 8? |
| 17:18.57 | hagb4rd | jelly: unfortunately it didn't help. i tried "screen -dmS test" and it gave me no errors (worked?) .. i just don't know what it's doing. ah and yes: are there no logs i could check to see what happens? and where would i find them? |
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| 17:19.21 | jelly | hagb4rd: what does "screen -ls" output look like now |
| 17:19.37 | r0xtedy | guys |
| 17:19.42 | r0xtedy | what may cause some internet lag |
| 17:19.45 | hagb4rd | jeellly: unchanged :// |
| 17:19.46 | r0xtedy | on jessie? |
| 17:20.00 | r0xtedy | o I am getting lag spikes of 50+ms every like few minutes |
| 17:20.10 | r0xtedy | but If I am pinging the same host from my other pc there is no lag |
| 17:20.12 | hagb4rd | jelly: but i have also no config file or sth. |
| 17:20.16 | jelly | r0xtedy: on a wired connection? |
| 17:20.22 | r0xtedy | what could I chekck? |
| 17:20.24 | r0xtedy | I really need a descent ping |
| 17:20.25 | hagb4rd | jelly: coud this be the problem? |
| 17:20.26 | r0xtedy | on wifi |
| 17:20.56 | jelly | r0xtedy: could be anything on wifi, avoid it if you need more stability. |
| 17:21.04 | jelly | hagb4rd: no. |
| 17:21.12 | r0xtedy | jelly: I dont have cables at home |
| 17:21.19 | r0xtedy | thats the only way to go at the mment |
| 17:21.29 | r0xtedy | can there be anything to fine tune? |
| 17:21.42 | hagb4rd | funny. what a crap of os is unix. i can't login start a program and logout just to login later at some point and see what it's doing. |
| 17:21.58 | jelly | hagb4rd: whining won't help. |
| 17:22.14 | hagb4rd | i thought u guys are hackers :> no.. seriouly. thanks for patience and all help jelly ;) |
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| 17:22.37 | hagb4rd | if u still have any ideas .. ping me. |
| 17:22.54 | hagb4rd | i'd be glad to share some cookie recipes with you in exchange someday. |
| 17:22.55 | hagb4rd | :) |
| 17:22.57 | jelly | hagb4rd: "echo $SCREENDIR" is empty? |
| 17:23.28 | hagb4rd | yep |
| 17:23.46 | jelly | hagb4rd: ls -ld $(readlink -f $(/var/run/screen)) |
| 17:24.35 | hagb4rd | readlink: missing operand? |
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| 17:24.54 | jelly | hagb4rd: ls -ld $(readlink -f /var/run/screen) , sorry |
| 17:25.17 | hagb4rd | drwxrwxr-x 4 root utmp 80 Dez 13 06:05 /run/screen |
| 17:25.36 | hagb4rd | maybe i'm not in that group? |
| 17:25.48 | hagb4rd | utmp? |
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| 17:26.47 | hagb4rd | seems like it's getting warmer ..:D |
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| 17:29.40 | hagb4rd | wait.. it's today's date...hm? |
| 17:29.54 | hagb4rd | but could be another user as well |
| 17:29.59 | Marezz | Hello everyone, could someone please tell me how can I install radeonsi with si scheduler. Currently running a fresh minimal netinstall upgraded to Stretch |
| 17:30.02 | fmost | jelly, whelp, turns out zeroing out did the trick |
| 17:30.32 | fmost | i only ever used very small files, and i was not expecting ext4 on a magnetic disk to spread writes around, but apparently it did |
| 17:30.47 | fmost | thanks |
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| 17:38.49 | jelly | hagb4rd: you don't have to be in that group when screen binary is setgid utmp, as it is <hagb4rd> jelly: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 410688 Sep 3 21:07 /usr/bin/screen |
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| 17:39.35 | jelly | hagb4rd: open a root shell. Does "screen" work there? |
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| 17:41.02 | hagb4rd | jelly: okay. i am no admin at this system. |
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| 17:41.58 | hagb4rd | i will send him a mail and wait for response... again: thanks for your precious time jelly. |
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| 17:42.46 | jelly | hagb4rd: hmm, then your options are limited. Let's try using a separate socket dir. "mkdir ~/.screens; export SCREENDIR=$HOME/.screens; screen" -- does it still terminate right away? |
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| 17:45.10 | jelly | hagb4rd: if that works, it's possible the filesystem where /usr/bin/screen is stored is mounted with nosuid option for some reason |
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| 17:48.20 | tempuser | How do you install ffmpeg? |
| 17:48.27 | tempuser | aptitude search ffmpeg doesn't show the package |
| 17:48.31 | tempuser | cat /etc/debian_version says jessie/sid |
| 17:49.05 | jelly | tempuser: uh, jessie/sid sounds like a very old snaphost of jessie (what is now Debian 8) |
| 17:49.29 | jelly | how exactly did you install debian, tempuser, which image? |
| 17:49.44 | tempuser | I forgot; it was a long time ago. |
| 17:50.39 | jelly | tempuser: put the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy dpkg libc6 apt ffmpeg" into a paste site like paste.debian.net. Avoid pastebin.com if at all possible. |
| 17:51.22 | jelly | tempuser: oh, add "lsb_release -a" to those, put everything in a single pastebin. |
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| 17:53.12 | Troller | So internet is working fine in Windows, I reset and go to Debian it doesnt work, anyone have any idea what might be up? any troubleshooting method I could use? |
| 17:53.38 | jelly | Troller: wired or wireless? |
| 17:53.44 | Troller | wired |
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| 17:54.07 | tempuser | https://paste.debian.net/343741/ |
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| 17:54.31 | hagb4rd | jelly: it didn't work. i think i can wait for the admin to answer. but one more question: "For full functionality, screen must also be setuid root to do multi-user. This is another permissions setup problem (on the named pipes this time) that making screen setuid root avoids. It's on my todo list to fix things to that a setgid utmp screen will work with multi-user screen "out of the box" in the future." ..what |
| 17:54.31 | hagb4rd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.33 | jelly | Troller: inspect whether your wired interface gets an IP address after you're logged in. Then verify if DNS lookups work. |
| 17:55.01 | tempuser | Is libav the next-gen of ffmpeg? |
| 17:55.03 | jelly | hagb4rd: how did it fail? |
| 17:55.11 | hagb4rd | the same way |
| 17:55.25 | Troller | I tried to ping 8.8.8.8 it says network is unreachable |
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| 17:56.04 | jelly | tempuser: you don't have Debian installed, but ubuntu or some derivative. Ask in #ubuntu where to get ffmpeg for trusty. |
| 17:56.50 | jelly | tempuser: debian-specific advice would be harmful for your system. |
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| 17:57.27 | tempuser | They told me to come here |
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| 17:57.40 | tempuser | But ok |
| 17:57.44 | tempuser | thanks |
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| 17:57.47 | jelly | tempuser: then you're out of luck, sorry |
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| 18:00.20 | Troller | jelly, it says when I hover the mouse on the connection |
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| 18:00.24 | Troller | requesting an address |
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| 18:04.34 | jelly | Troller: interesting. If you run "ifconfig -a" in a terminal, is there an IPv4 address assigned to eth0 ? |
| 18:04.47 | Troller | let me see |
| 18:05.01 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.09 | Troller | yeah |
| 18:06.10 | Troller | there is one |
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| 18:07.09 | jelly | Troller: okay then, take a screenshot showing "ifconfig eth0" and "route -n" output and paste it somewhere online (imgur.com or wherever), please |
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| 18:10.26 | jelly | hagb4rd: oh well. in the same shell with changed SCREENDIR, run "strace -f -oscreen.strace screen" |
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| 18:10.45 | jelly | hagb4rd: after it fails again, pastebin the generated screen.strace file |
| 18:11.52 | Troller | jelly, there isnt eth0 in ifconfig |
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| 18:13.28 | jelly | Troller: but you just there was and that it had an ip address assigned? |
| 18:13.38 | Lionyx | Guy's is there any good soul using Gnome Shell here? I want to change the speed that workspaces change and also some other tweaks. Any thoughts? |
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| 18:14.25 | hagb4rd | jelly: strace not found :/ |
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| 18:14.52 | jelly | Troller: then show the whole "ifconfig -a" with "route -n" |
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| 18:15.30 | Troller | I gotta type ifconfig -a then afterwards route -n |
| 18:15.31 | Troller | ? |
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| 18:15.54 | Lionyx | i've got disconnected. so i'll repeat my question if anybody awnserd me, please send me back :) |
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| 18:16.12 | mtn | Lionyx, the main way you tweak gnome is using gnome-tweak-tool and gnome extensions |
| 18:16.13 | Lionyx | About Gnome Shell - I want to change the speed that workspaces change and also some other tweaks. Any thoughts? |
| 18:16.17 | jelly | hagb4rd: if you can't install it or get the binary from a system where it's installed, I'm afraid I don't have any more obvious things to look at |
| 18:16.27 | jelly | Troller: yes |
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| 18:16.58 | jelly | Troller: the point is for us to see complete outputs of both commands |
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| 18:17.32 | Lionyx | mtn: i already used gnome-tweak. I don't know if the gnome-shell version of Jessie is too old or the tweak tool is THAT simple, what a huge difference from kde. I also can't find any damn configuration files to tweak manually. Extensions are a pain... if I can do it manually i prefer. Tks anyway :) |
| 18:17.43 | Troller | jelly, all right brb |
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| 18:18.12 | mtn | Lionyx, gnome is way less configurable than kde is. that is the way the gnome devs like it :) |
| 18:18.15 | hagb4rd | jelly: you've been awesome. thanks really :D .. *thumbsup* .. guess it's better to check it with the sysadmin.. or would tmux be easier? (without su) |
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| 18:18.27 | seoner | why are not all people using debian? |
| 18:18.39 | hagb4rd | i haven't thought it's gonna be that hakcy |
| 18:18.41 | seoner | why using ubuntu, mint? |
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| 18:20.28 | Lionyx | mtn: the problem is that it used to be a lot on the other way... they've hidden stuff so deep.. argh... It really pleases my eyes, but being locked this way is not freedom. |
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| 18:22.29 | jelly | hagb4rd: there's something wrong on your system, normally screen and tmux Just Work |
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| 18:23.10 | mtn | Lionyx, do you know about gconf and dconf? |
| 18:23.17 | Lionyx | Oh dear Lord I found an extension that is called Impatience. mtn |
| 18:23.21 | jelly | hagb4rd: if there's tmux installed and it starts normally, sure, use it |
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| 18:24.41 | Lionyx | mtn: dont :( should I? |
| 18:24.57 | mtn | Lionyx, yes, you should ;) |
| 18:25.17 | Lionyx | mtn: googling it |
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| 18:27.01 | Lionyx | mtn: great! better than conf files I guess... |
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| 18:27.59 | hagb4rd | jelly: i've been googling around.. and many people seem to have issues.. and it seems to be a thousand reasons how it can fail^^ |
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| 18:28.20 | hagb4rd | now i want to whine a little. in the end it helps a little. |
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| 18:28.38 | hagb4rd | imo it should be a kernel function |
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| 18:29.30 | jelly | said the person using a VPS where they don't have control of the kernel at all |
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| 18:29.51 | hagb4rd | unix is designed for terminals. it's just ridiculous i have to use nohup .. and then can't see what's going on |
| 18:30.05 | hagb4rd | really. my mum would do it better. |
| 18:30.13 | hagb4rd | now i feel better :D |
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| 18:30.27 | jelly | too |
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| 18:32.03 | Lionyx | lololol :D |
| 18:32.08 | Troller | jelly, I type screen shot key but it doesnt work :(( |
| 18:32.43 | jelly | Troller: I was thinking more screen -> smartphone camera -> upload |
| 18:33.32 | jelly | Troller: because even if Control-PrintScreen worked, you still don't have an internet connection and need to transfer via usb key |
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| 18:33.41 | Troller | I tried typing dhclient eth0 but it says no DHCPOFFERS received |
| 18:34.04 | jelly | that's weird |
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| 18:34.24 | jelly | if it worked on windows, the cable is probably ok |
| 18:34.36 | Troller | yeah man |
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| 18:36.35 | jelly | Troller: if you can transfer files via usb stick, do something like (echo "== lsmod =="; lsmod; echo "== dmesg =="; dmesg; echo "== ifconfig =="; ifconfig -a; echo "== route =="; route -n) > somefile.txt, then transfer somefile.txt to the stick and upload it to a pastebin site. |
| 18:37.13 | jelly | Troller: but smartphone camera is easier to use |
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| 18:51.45 | Troller | http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/asdsds.php here is my configuration still no internet and don't know what do do, but I bet its a very simple problem since the interent is working fine in windows |
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| 18:57.57 | Lionyx | dpkg-reconfigure gdm <--- is this right to go back using gdm? |
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| 19:03.54 | jelly | Troller: so you have no ip address at all. Would be nice to see dmesg, maybe the driver is complaning about something. |
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| 19:04.26 | Troller | that showed a lot of output |
| 19:04.39 | Troller | eth0: link becomes ready in the ending |
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| 19:05.52 | jelly | Troller: it should say something like "link is up" after that and link speed |
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| 19:06.37 | ninecheddar | I am so pumped right now for linux class next semester, apparently we can choose distro and we're not forced to use ubuntu |
| 19:06.38 | Troller | nothing like that bro |
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| 19:07.14 | jelly | Troller: can you show at least "dmesg|grep eth0" output? |
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| 19:08.20 | Troller | but maybe I found what is wrong, at r8169 which is my on board Internet card? dunno the correct name for it |
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| 19:08.34 | Troller | it says firmware: failed to load |
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| 19:09.30 | jelly | Troller: yes! |
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| 19:10.01 | jonee | what pkg is the cpufreq stuff in? not the applets, the text cmd |
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| 19:11.26 | jelly | Troller: grab firmware-realtek package from packages.debian.org for your release (jessie?), install that and reboot |
| 19:11.42 | Lionyx | jonee: |
| 19:11.43 | shawn | ninecheddar: yay |
| 19:11.47 | Troller | jessie? |
| 19:11.51 | Troller | I seen that before |
| 19:12.07 | Lionyx | jonee: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 19:12.17 | towo` | jonee, cpufrequtils |
| 19:12.18 | Troller | its not wheezy, its jessie? |
| 19:12.28 | Troller | I installed debian from debian.org |
| 19:12.47 | SynrG | Troller: it's the current stable release, 8.2 |
| 19:12.56 | Troller | yeah thats the one |
| 19:13.01 | Troller | thanks |
| 19:14.04 | Delf | I need help installing using stripe lvm :/ |
| 19:14.14 | Troller | So I just gotta download that firmware package and install it jelly it should work? |
| 19:14.39 | Troller | its a .deb so I have just to double click it? |
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| 19:16.12 | Troller | it tries to open it with xarchiver |
| 19:16.18 | Troller | but doesnt work |
| 19:16.31 | cra1g321 | because you install a deb file, you dont extract it |
| 19:17.01 | jonee | towo, thanks :) |
| 19:18.14 | Troller | cra1g321, how do I install it? |
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| 19:18.47 | Troller | ./ doesnt work |
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| 19:20.35 | cra1g321 | Troller get reading https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
| 19:20.40 | Delf | I it possible or is it no supported? stripe lvm |
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| 19:21.18 | Troller | cra1g321, thanks |
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| 19:22.19 | jelly | Troller: open a root shell, dpkg -i /path/to/blah.deb |
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| 19:23.12 | Troller | I done dpkg --install |
| 19:23.17 | Troller | think it worked |
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| 19:28.17 | Troller | didnt work jelly =( |
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| 19:28.24 | Troller | I isntalled the package and reboot |
| 19:28.38 | Troller | weird thing is my uncle was able to use internet before in Debian |
| 19:28.53 | Troller | without this fiirmware i think |
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