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| 03:06.15 | somiaj | xander_: "Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage." |
| 03:06.45 | claudiop | kaosu, Yeah maybe I have a bit personal preference interfering. Ubuntu will have the support backported eventually I guess, and if not, then any random PPA should have it |
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| 03:06.47 | claudiop | Thanks guys |
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| 03:07.25 | somiaj | claudiop: I think the optimos with bumblee if you want to use the nvidia hardware at all is going to be the harder part than finding a distro with the 4.3/4.4 kernel |
| 03:07.44 | xander_ | somiaj: this is just screwing around in virtualbox, so no skin off my back, but check out the info where I downloaded: "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the Stretch Alpha 4 release of the installer, after checking its errata." That's pretty much the opposite advice that the conscending bot gave. |
| 03:07.53 | xander_ | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:08.35 | xander_ | "To install Debian testing" is even in bold. |
| 03:08.49 | claudiop | somiaj, Well, I once used optimus on my external HDD (with arch installed and tweaked to run on any computer), and It wasn't that bad. I mean, two minutes were enough to install it properly |
| 03:08.50 | somiaj | xander_: that is just the standard advise here. If the goal is to install testing use the stable installer (as it will work) then dist-upgrade to testing. |
| 03:08.54 | claudiop | Is debian/ubuntu any different? |
| 03:09.26 | xander_ | somiaj: the official page is giving bad advice, then. Shouldn't it be changed, and who should change it? |
| 03:09.35 | somiaj | claudiop: unsure about ubuntu, and with debian I can point you to docs, but not more than that. I just know I see various people have trouble with it. |
| 03:09.53 | somiaj | !bumblebee |
| 03:09.53 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:10.20 | somiaj | xander_: unsure there, you could file a bug or use the mailing lists to address this. |
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| 03:10.58 | xander_ | somiaj: and who's responsible for the wise-ass bot that gives snippy information that contradicts the official page? |
| 03:11.08 | somiaj | xander_: also note you are looking at a 'development' page |
| 03:11.24 | xander_ | "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the Stretch Alpha 4 release of the installer" |
| 03:11.53 | kaosu | xander_: I wouldn't take the bot's advice too personally. |
| 03:11.56 | kaosu | Oops, too late. |
| 03:14.40 | snowkidind | Question: I need to do some video stream analysis - off of a live camera and then pipe a modified signal out and potentially merge it with another video signal on the way out. Do you have any preference with what squeeze-based programming tools happen to have better / easier libraries for such a gig? |
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| 03:18.55 | SmileMZ | Hi people... I have debian testing on my server, but I can't compile packages from source anymore. I get the error message: "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" |
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| 03:19.02 | SmileMZ | can somebody tell me what I did wrong ? |
| 03:19.09 | snowkidind | use sudo |
| 03:19.09 | SmileMZ | or how to solve that .... |
| 03:19.29 | socomm | SmileMZ: Whats the permission on the directory? |
| 03:19.42 | SmileMZ | socomm: full write permission |
| 03:20.22 | SmileMZ | socomm: and I really don't know how to solve that... was looking in the internet.... don't have any clue. |
| 03:21.13 | socomm | SmileMZ: can you write hello world program and compile it in /tmp? |
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| 03:22.42 | somiaj | SmileMZ: do you have build-essential installed? |
| 03:23.04 | SmileMZ | I have build-essential installed, and I can't compile a simple hello world program |
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| 03:23.24 | socomm | http://hastebin.com/pisoyehoze.tex |
| 03:23.32 | SmileMZ | I get this: /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value |
| 03:24.05 | SmileMZ | any ideas guys ? |
| 03:24.42 | somiaj | SmileMZ: google gives me hits about a multiarch issue, trying to compile binareis that don't match the system you are running on |
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| 03:25.39 | SmileMZ | how do I fix that, any ideas ? |
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| 03:28.45 | somiaj | SmileMZ: the simple hellow world program that filed to compile, did you try to compile it with what gcc command? |
| 03:29.50 | SmileMZ | somiaj: all are failing... independently which one I use. I did it with gcc-5, gcc-4.7 brings the same result. |
| 03:30.34 | somiaj | SmileMZ: what is the command you are typing (just want to check some things) |
| 03:30.58 | SmileMZ | somiaj: g++ Hallo.C |
| 03:31.14 | SmileMZ | or gcc Hallo.C (brings the same output). |
| 03:31.29 | somiaj | SmileMZ: okay, output of 'which gcc' |
| 03:32.04 | SmileMZ | somiaj: /usr/bin/gcc |
| 03:32.12 | somiaj | SmileMZ: dpkg -S /usr/bin/gcc |
| 03:32.28 | somiaj | SmileMZ: actully that should be a link, 'ls -l /usr/bin/gcc' |
| 03:32.55 | SmileMZ | gcc: /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 03:33.20 | somiaj | SmileMZ: more intersted in where that link is pointing, just making sure you don't have some arch issue. |
| 03:33.23 | SmileMZ | ls -lA /usr/bin/gcc is a symbolic link on gcc-5 |
| 03:33.48 | somiaj | SmileMZ: okay everythign is looking fine. uname -a and 'dpkg -l | grep gcc' |
| 03:33.54 | somiaj | SmileMZ: that will probabaly need a pastebin |
| 03:34.27 | SmileMZ | uname -a: Linux babe3306.higazi-it.com 3.14-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.15-2 (2014-08-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:35.22 | somiaj | SmileMZ: is this stretch installed in some container? that 3.14.15 is not an offical debian kernel. |
| 03:35.32 | somiaj | SmileMZ: (not that I think this is the issue, just looking at all the culprits) |
| 03:35.40 | SmileMZ | http://pastebin.com/raw/tjdvthdv |
| 03:36.07 | SmileMZ | somiaj: yes... it's debian testing. |
| 03:36.26 | somiaj | that kernel is not a debian testing kernel. |
| 03:36.46 | somiaj | But if you are in some openvz container or something else that could explain the strange ekrnel. |
| 03:37.59 | somiaj | SmileMZ: dpkg -l libc6-dev |
| 03:38.51 | somiaj | SmileMZ: things look okay (besides for the non debian kernel you are running). The issues seems to be 32bit vs 64bit but I don't see it poping up in anything you made |
| 03:39.05 | somiaj | SmileMZ: you could create a pure 32bit or 64bit chroot and see if complining in there works just fine. |
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| 03:41.37 | SmileMZ | I removed all other gcc versions so that only version 5 is present. |
| 03:42.17 | bugzc | Not specifically a debian question, but I am trying to see if it is at all possible to download a zip file from a website that does not provide a direct link to it. Instead, it's in the form of "domain.tld/?ddownload=3130". Been trying wget and curl with no luck. I want to keep it as simple as possible and preferably avoid scripting languages. |
| 03:42.35 | somiaj | SmileMZ: it is probabaly not an issue with multiple gccs. |
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| 03:43.13 | somiaj | bugzc: a lot depends on the software on the webpage and how they hide the direct link to the download with it. |
| 03:43.42 | bugzc | somiaj: any tips on what to look for? |
| 03:43.57 | SmileMZ | somiaj: you are absolutely right. |
| 03:43.59 | somiaj | bugzc: nope I just use my webbrowser |
| 03:44.40 | somiaj | SmileMZ: it is eitehr an issue with the older 3.14 kernel you are using (though this is low on my likely list) or an issue with 32bit vs 64bit since you have multiarch enabled. |
| 03:44.49 | bugzc | somiaj: yeah, im trying to fix an update script that someone else wrote a while ago after the url has changed. so using the browser defeats the purpose =) |
| 03:45.05 | somiaj | SmileMZ: personally when I complie software on a multiarch machine, I do it in a purechroot to avoid these issues. But I"m not knowledgeable to track down what the actual issue is. |
| 03:45.14 | SmileMZ | somiaj: i think, that's the case with the multiarch issue (more or less). |
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| 04:00.52 | jelly | bugzc: use the browser as a debug method, to see if there are any cookies or referer headers in place when the browser does it |
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| 04:06.39 | bugzc | jelly: got it figured out but looks like they use cookies/tokens to prevent hotlinking. sigh. ty though |
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| 04:32.44 | hiya | hey guys, I have having a strange issue, which I can also found in some of the forums, when i start my i5-4th Laptop with Intel 4400 HD graphics, and click on Activity right away whole of the system would freeze | it also happens when i click on activity when I have root in terminal and gedit is open mostly, I am not sure if it is related to root at all, or is it purely activity menu's fault |
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| 04:37.01 | nezZario | Does anyone know of a php7 package that won't kill php5.x's package? |
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| 04:49.38 | drathir | hi... |
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| 04:51.12 | drathir | wonder if there is someone with lenny onboard? |
| 04:51.22 | jelly | !ask |
| 04:51.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 04:53.07 | drathir | need to verify if other configuration of lenny onboard have problems with irssi connecting to freenode with ca verify enabbed... |
| 04:54.27 | poffs | i'm using intel integrated graphics on debian and I need to fix an overscan issue |
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| 04:55.51 | drathir | its little old version that why i more like firs find person with lenny onboard and ask in little more private way... |
| 04:56.30 | tx | Yo peeps, since switching to UEFI GRUB |
| 04:56.39 | tx | I can't set my console / gfx resolution. |
| 04:56.51 | tx | it remains at some low res (800x600 perhaps) until x starts now. |
| 04:56.58 | IceCool | I have been up for 4 days straight trying to repair an upgrade. Anyone know a reason why fsck says it is fixing items but running fsck again shows the same errors needing to be fixed? |
| 04:58.45 | jelly | drathir: we have a public support channel here, why ask in private where only one person can help? |
| 04:59.41 | Rusty1 | IceCool: has the filesystem been mounted whilst fscking? |
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| 05:00.38 | IceCool | Rusty1: No it hasn't. |
| 05:01.31 | jelly | drathir: lenny has a horribly old openssl, I wouldn't be surprised it failed at connecting to any recent service. At the very least try upgrading libssl0.9.8 package to the one from squeeze-lts |
| 05:02.56 | IceCool | I am not getting any errors if I fsck it regular but if I fsck -b 32768 I see all the errors (missing files and directory counts). I say yes to fix all of them but they are all the same errors if I run it again. |
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| 05:04.09 | Rusty1 | IceCool: what is the nature of the errors reported? |
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| 05:07.49 | IceCool | Rusty1: Here is a snapshot: http://pastebin.com/ZXDBR2J6 |
| 05:07.55 | hiya | jelly, hey guys, I have having a strange issue, which I can also found in some of the forums, when i start my i5-4th Laptop with Intel 4400 HD graphics, and click on Activity right away whole of the system would freeze | it also happens when i click on activity when I have root in terminal and gedit is open mostly, I am not sure if it is related to root at all, or is it purely activity menu's fault |
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| 05:10.10 | IceCool | Rusty1: If I run the same command again and again it always find the same errors. |
| 05:11.56 | Rusty1 | IceCool: trying to find doc on the -b option for fsck |
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| 05:13.48 | IceCool | Rusty1: It let's you specify a backup superblock to use instead of the default located at 0. |
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| 05:19.48 | Rusty1 | IceCool: can you boot into the system at all?, or fscking from live dvd session? |
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| 05:21.36 | IceCool | Rusty1: Yes I have reinstall the OS on a new drive and have the old drive attached. I need to get the config files off of the old drive but the directories are empty. However, it seems like it is a corruption problem that fsck should be able to fix since it is finding them. |
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| 05:22.43 | Wamphyri | hiya, i betchya its more of a ati issue then anything else |
| 05:23.04 | hiya | Wamphyri, ATI? I have Intel |
| 05:24.02 | Wamphyri | sorry i read it wrong, i used to have that issue with my ati card :) |
| 05:24.18 | ofaq | will debian get me laid? |
| 05:24.47 | Wamphyri | only with lefty and her twin sister |
| 05:25.14 | hiya | Wamphyri, it is a known issue found in forums too, what did you do to fix it? |
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| 05:25.50 | Wamphyri | used different xf drivers |
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| 05:26.11 | HellSpawn | anyone around |
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| 05:27.26 | HellSpawn | i updated to latest and now php refuses to work |
| 05:27.33 | HellSpawn | any ideas would be welcome |
| 05:27.59 | ofaq | why would you use php? |
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| 05:29.38 | HellSpawn | :( |
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| 05:30.52 | Rusty1 | IceCool: what does: lvs return , from a terminal |
| 05:32.06 | Rusty1 | put it on a dpaste.com |
| 05:32.15 | Rusty1 | or somesuch |
| 05:33.18 | hiya | Wamphyri, xf drivers? |
| 05:35.50 | Wamphyri | ok maybe not drivers, more like modules lol |
| 05:36.25 | Wamphyri | ati makes there own "drivers" as well as theres also open source. open source is default with debian |
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| 05:39.32 | hiya | Wamphyri, I use default ones too, I think Intel works fine with default but I need to try more stuff |
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| 05:42.37 | Rusty1 | IceCool: if you did , link to the paste again |
| 05:42.55 | IceCool | Rusty1: http://pastebin.com/ZXDBR2J6 |
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| 05:44.08 | Rusty1 | IceCool: from a terminal pastebin the output of : mount, as root |
| 05:44.46 | drathir | jelly: that mean its ssl connected isssue? not direct certs one missing? |
| 05:45.46 | IceCool | Rusty1: http://pastebin.com/GKZm73R8 |
| 05:46.06 | jelly | drathir: I didn't test it. However there're also slightly updated ca-certificates in lenny-backports. |
| 05:46.34 | ofaq | do groups give me special powers? |
| 05:46.46 | ofaq | like elsa? |
| 05:47.42 | lhx | lol |
| 05:47.49 | lhx | ofaq: sudo |
| 05:48.04 | ofaq | cgroup |
| 05:48.04 | BogeymanAgnostic | Yay I just fully upgraded to Unstable... hope shit doesn't hit the fan |
| 05:48.05 | ofaq | s |
| 05:48.17 | ofaq | Bogeyman, why would you do such a thing? |
| 05:48.19 | BogeymanAgnostic | I'm going for a dist-upgrade now |
| 05:48.26 | drathir | IceCool: btw never do operations at live hdd always dd1:1 old not workin and try do things at image... |
| 05:48.43 | BogeymanAgnostic | ofaq: I want to test bleeding edge software and report bugs, if any |
| 05:48.55 | BogeymanAgnostic | plenty... I presume |
| 05:49.03 | Rusty1 | IceCool: it appears that /dev/mapper/pve-root is mounted , |
| 05:49.28 | Rusty1 | as is /dev/mapper/pve-data |
| 05:49.42 | ofaq | Bogey, so you want to contribute to the community? |
| 05:49.42 | BogeymanAgnostic | I'm a wannabe möchtegern Debian deve |
| 05:50.00 | BogeymanAgnostic | fakenit till you make it, as they say |
| 05:50.02 | Rusty1 | not sure if those are the ones attemping to fsck |
| 05:50.06 | BogeymanAgnostic | ofaq: you bet I do |
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| 05:50.37 | BogeymanAgnostic | the least I can domis reporting bugs |
| 05:50.49 | BogeymanAgnostic | s/domis/do is/ |
| 05:51.04 | ofaq | that's great man |
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| 05:51.16 | IceCool | Rusty1: Yes but /dev/mapper/pve_old/root is not |
| 05:51.16 | BogeymanAgnostic | ofaq: thank you |
| 05:51.23 | ofaq | my dad won |
| 05:51.28 | ofaq | 't let me run unstable |
| 05:51.38 | BogeymanAgnostic | heh |
| 05:51.41 | drathir | jelly: thanks a lot for useful tips... in the worst scenario i guess could be needed a full upgrade... |
| 05:51.47 | IceCool | Rusty1: I switched all of the old drive from pve to pve_old |
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| 05:52.10 | Rusty1 | IceCool: pastebin: lvdisplay |
| 05:54.23 | IceCool | Rusty1: http://pastebin.com/tMu8yTcG |
| 05:54.25 | ofaq | I upgraded to unstable and the system broke and he had to fix it |
| 05:54.31 | ofaq | he took sudo away from me |
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| 05:55.55 | Rusty1 | IceCool: try lvchange -ay /dev/pve_old/root |
| 05:56.59 | Rusty1 | see if you can then access contents |
| 05:57.26 | BogeymanAgnostic | oh lord, the burden of Stallman is light. |
| 05:57.39 | IceCool | Rusty1: Yes already tired that. |
| 05:57.58 | IceCool | I can access lots of the contents there is just lots missing. |
| 06:00.02 | Rusty1 | IceCool: i gtg , sorry i cant help more |
| 06:00.31 | Rusty1 | try #lvm on freenode as well tho |
| 06:00.32 | IceCool | Thanks for trying. |
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| 06:07.04 | jelly | drathir: I can try reproducing the issue later, but I'm not an irssi user and you'll have to tell me exactly how to enforce cert. chain validation |
| 06:07.36 | jelly | (my remaining lenny systems do have libssl upgraded, tho) |
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| 06:16.20 | nname31 | hello |
| 06:17.01 | nname31 | how can build firefox or iceweasel with gtk3 dark themes?? |
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| 06:26.55 | drathir | jelly: is enough to use for connect /connect -ssl -ssl_verify irc.freenode.net 6697 |
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| 06:28.12 | tx | nname31, huh? |
| 06:28.18 | tx | they USE your GTK theme |
| 06:28.23 | tx | you don't build the theme into them |
| 06:29.01 | well_laid_lawn | nname31: you should learn how to use userscript.css |
| 06:29.02 | drathir | jelly: also with location of certs /connect -ssl -ssl_capath /etc/ssl/certs/ -ssl_verify irc.freenode.net 6697 |
| 06:33.14 | nname31 | i want find any browser with dark gtk 3 , try midori iceweasel chromium but can't enable dark themes |
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| 06:35.00 | tx | nname31, they probably use GTK2 |
| 06:35.05 | tx | (maybe) |
| 06:35.17 | tx | switch your gtk2 theme to match your gtk3 theme |
| 06:35.27 | tx | that way there's no crossover between dark / light |
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| 06:56.50 | LinuxJJ | So does anyone have experience with WIFI instability in Debian? Having to Run Mint now because on Debian my WIFI randomly stops responding/working and I have to restart my machine to fix it. HP Streambook 11 if that helps |
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| 06:58.34 | lhx | best linux window manager / DE: go! |
| 06:58.42 | ofaq | none |
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| 06:58.48 | ofaq | all crap |
| 06:59.44 | poffs | mate |
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| 07:03.31 | tx | "best" |
| 07:03.42 | tx | if you want answers |
| 07:03.46 | tx | you've got to ask good questions |
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| 07:14.34 | jonnee | if I have multiple versions of python installed, how do I run pydoc for the version I'm interested in? |
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| 07:19.02 | jonnee | I think I just found out... there's pydoc3 |
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| 07:29.58 | gtristan | I updated debian stretch this week and now things dont compile anymore |
| 07:30.17 | gtristan | configure scripts say... checking for working c compiler.... No ! |
| 07:30.30 | gtristan | How can this be... why do I suddenly have gcc 5 ? |
| 07:30.43 | gtristan | How to use a working version of gcc ? |
| 07:31.03 | gtristan | runs update-alternatives --list gcc... and it says there is no alternatives |
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| 07:34.42 | at0m | gtristan: why you suddenly have gcc5, cos you updated stretch? maybe review changes before upgrading ;p |
| 07:34.47 | at0m | ,v gcc |
| 07:34.48 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:5.2.1-4; sid: 4:5.3.1-1 |
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| 07:35.27 | gtristan | at0m, ok but now I installed 4.8... cause they are parallel installable right ? |
| 07:35.42 | at0m | especially when running testing |
| 07:35.47 | gtristan | How to make sure gcc does not invoke gcc-5, but invokes gcc-4 instead ? |
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| 07:36.08 | tx | change the symlink! |
| 07:36.13 | gtristan | yeah yeah, I had to boot with supergrub and fix it |
| 07:36.30 | tx | you look like a grub wizard |
| 07:36.38 | tx | fix my text console resolution woes pls :( |
| 07:36.40 | gtristan | tx, /usr/bin/gcc... directly ? |
| 07:36.47 | gtristan | brute force symlink change ? |
| 07:36.59 | tx | well |
| 07:37.02 | tx | it is already a symlink |
| 07:37.03 | tx | so why not |
| 07:37.06 | tx | `lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Aug 3 18:40 gcc -> gcc-5` |
| 07:37.11 | at0m | that's what update-alternatives does, change symlinks |
| 07:37.17 | tx | indeed |
| 07:37.18 | gtristan | nothing like apt-activate-that-alternative-of-package --please ? |
| 07:37.47 | gtristan | I can change a symlink, I only fear it's not the right way, and it will just start me down the rabbit hole |
| 07:37.52 | tx | symlink just seems easier because you need to remember what package it's part of etc |
| 07:37.53 | gtristan | is it the "correct way" ? |
| 07:38.14 | gtristan | also, update-alternatives --list gcc shows... "nothing" btw |
| 07:38.51 | gtristan | at0m, right, but it changes symlinks in a responsible way right ? a way that wont "break" when I update in the future |
| 07:39.00 | tx | heh, you probably need to INSTALL both versions as alternatives |
| 07:39.03 | tx | and then set one to be 'gcc' |
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| 07:39.24 | gtristan | I installed both, what is the difference between installing them, and installing them "as alternatives" ?? |
| 07:39.44 | tx | installing as in 'adding them as an alternative to each other' |
| 07:39.58 | gtristan | oh, how do I do that ? |
| 07:39.59 | tx | literally adding them to the 'alternatives database'. |
| 07:40.02 | tx | Sorry, using quotes a lot. :P |
| 07:40.21 | gtristan | has no idea how to use these 'alternatives' thingies at all, just knows they exist for this purpose |
| 07:40.50 | at0m | dpkg: gcc |
| 07:40.50 | dpkg | The GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) is a compiler system supporting various programming languages. In order to change which version it should use, "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. See also <gcc-doc>. https://gcc.gnu.org/ #gcc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:41.28 | gtristan | this doesnt say much about alternatives: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives |
| 07:41.31 | ofaq | gcc sucks |
| 07:42.05 | at0m | gtristan: what dpkg says. |
| 07:42.07 | tx | "update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gcc gcc /usr/bin/gcc-X.Y 50" (50 is priority) |
| 07:42.11 | tx | " |
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| 07:45.03 | gtristan | tx, thanks ! |
| 07:45.14 | tx | Enjoy your new (or old) copy of gcc. |
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| 07:45.55 | at0m | ,testing |
| 07:46.03 | at0m | dpkg: testing |
| 07:46.04 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a very bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 07:46.26 | at0m | hm doesn't even mention oftc |
| 07:46.46 | tx | why? |
| 07:46.51 | tx | (should it) |
| 07:47.12 | at0m | cos testing is not supported here, but on irc.oftc.net/debian-next |
| 07:47.19 | tx | Oh I see. |
| 07:47.21 | gtristan | ugh, I'll have to debug this now |
| 07:47.26 | tx | Well, it's in the topic. |
| 07:47.31 | at0m | oh :) |
| 07:47.37 | tx | dpkg, debian-next |
| 07:47.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 07:48.38 | at0m | there's lots more people working with gcc4 and 5 over there. testing is transiting to 5. |
| 07:49.28 | at0m | apt just got me 100s of MB of upgrades, many gcc related |
| 07:49.48 | tx | welp |
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| 07:49.57 | tx | better start upgrading now so they come in by tonight |
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| 07:50.20 | tx | "Err:33 http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian stretch/non-free Translation-en |
| 07:50.20 | tx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.20 | tx | " |
| 07:50.21 | tx | oh boy. |
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| 07:50.23 | at0m | so hard times doing testing for now. kde is also moving to kde5 |
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| 07:50.33 | tx | Whoops, too many extra lines., |
| 07:50.36 | at0m | wb tx :) |
| 07:50.47 | tx | Whoops, too many extra lines., |
| 07:50.57 | tx | Looks like my local debian mirror is broken! |
| 07:51.16 | at0m | i mirror partially, using acng |
| 07:51.25 | tx | Guess I'll wait for it to update again and fix itself. |
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| 08:05.57 | jelly | drathir: huh, "/connect -ssl -ssl_capath /etc/ssl/certs irc.freenode.net 6697" works for me now, but I don't have any clean lenny systems any more -- all have libc6 and libssl0.9.8 from squeeze. |
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| 08:52.45 | n1cky | is it possible to mount the netinstall files to ram and then continue the installer from a manual mount point? |
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| 08:59.32 | n1cky | figured it out^ |
| 09:01.05 | beknowly|desk | Can someone help me out? I'm having issues with pm-hibernate on debian jessie, latest versions |
| 09:01.18 | beknowly|desk | It will hibernate, then immediately resume |
| 09:01.48 | beknowly|desk | by immediately I mean within fractions of a second |
| 09:03.02 | beknowly|desk | It will work properly most of the time, but in some cases will refuse to hibernate until restarted |
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| 09:53.15 | AlwaysHigh | hey trying to setup a multi user system where each user has its own www folder |
| 09:53.31 | AlwaysHigh | what i want is to allow www-data into it but disallow all other users |
| 09:54.11 | AlwaysHigh | but i need to chmod 0751 /home/user to allow www-data in but that also allows any other user in too |
| 09:54.43 | well_laid_lawn | try working with groups instead of users |
| 09:55.12 | AlwaysHigh | so put all users into a single group? |
| 09:55.27 | AlwaysHigh | permissions really got me stumped |
| 09:55.32 | well_laid_lawn | or add users to a group |
| 09:56.02 | AlwaysHigh | caut atm its user:user |
| 09:56.18 | well_laid_lawn | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions |
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| 10:00.48 | tite12345 | musca: Ha! |
| 10:01.00 | tite12345 | musca: I just deleted .purple and opened Pidign, it worked |
| 10:01.01 | tite12345 | :D |
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| 10:01.10 | musca | hey |
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| 10:01.18 | tite12345 | musca: So proud of myself! |
| 10:01.19 | tite12345 | Haha! |
| 10:01.22 | tite12345 | WoooO! |
| 10:01.22 | tite12345 | :p |
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| 10:02.05 | musca | tite12345: fine. just for the records, you switched to freenode :) |
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| 10:03.34 | jsonlee | My debian version is stretch/sid. Now my gnome-terminal's profile can't be edited (edit > profiles > edit) |
| 10:03.54 | jsonlee | clicking the edit button doesn't pop up anything as usual. |
| 10:04.01 | jsonlee | any place i can check for that? |
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| 10:05.24 | tite12345 | musca: ? |
| 10:06.03 | tite12345 | musca: I was just sayin' I fixed a problem myself - well not really with your help too :p |
| 10:06.18 | musca | asdas was on oftc.net, you are now on freenode.net |
| 10:06.21 | tite12345 | musca: Still though, no manuals and stuff just my gut I guess haha |
| 10:06.41 | tite12345 | musca: Yea I had an account there too |
| 10:06.50 | tite12345 | Did I join #debian over oftc? |
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| 10:40.52 | drathir | jelly: i tested on whezzy and jessie and there workin too... |
| 10:42.54 | atralheaven | Hello, I have a question that is a bit general question. what is semi-rolling release? I know what is a rolling release, and I prefer it, what actually is a semi-rolling release? |
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| 10:43.28 | patero-ng | does someone here knows of a good video editing program like sony vegas or final cup pro for debian |
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| 10:45.38 | markybob | patero-ng, https://opensource.com/life/15/1/current-state-linux-video-editing |
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| 10:48.42 | Walex2 | atralheaven: depends on who defines "semi-rolling", but it could be something like ubuntu: every 6 months a new release that loses support soon. So It is a rolling release but one that upgrades every 6 months instead of every day |
| 10:50.32 | Aebian | hmmm cinnamon and ALT TAB. I'm not sure if there is a special pkg to get working. Since if I try to ALT TAB from a Game (Steam --> WarGame Red Dragon) it always goes in front of everything. I also tried switching with CTRL + ALT and Arrow keys |
| 10:50.49 | patero-ng | markybob: I thought blender was for making 3d images |
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| 10:58.10 | atralheaven | Walex2: I use debian stable, and probably I will be using it, what's its release system? what I prefer is something like arch linux, no new version with new futures to install, like ubuntu, or windows! I prefer to install once, and update each part of system when update was ready |
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| 11:00.03 | markybob | atralheaven, sounds like a perfect match. debian only updates for security. that's it. |
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| 11:01.20 | SynrG | markybob: Well, not just security, but close enough. |
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| 11:03.33 | omarek | Hi, I installed openjdk-8-{jre, jdk} in Debian Jessie. I did it via backports. How do I run stuff with java8 ? I want to run a game. |
| 11:03.46 | omarek | When I type java -version it prints java7. |
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| 11:03.55 | atralheaven | then when I get other updates? in a 'new version'? |
| 11:04.10 | SynrG | markybob: read "reason" on https://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html ... "mostly security" is more accurate |
| 11:04.39 | SynrG | atralheaven: backports, when they are available |
| 11:04.46 | atralheaven | and is it really simple to move from one version to another? |
| 11:04.50 | SynrG | !backports |
| 11:04.50 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 11:05.15 | SynrG | And about every two years, you upgrade to a new release |
| 11:05.57 | SynrG | And yes, it tends to be easy so long as you didn't mix in things from third party sources. |
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| 11:07.20 | flavi0 | people. I want to execute a given command as root (smartctl) on debian without requiring a password. I put this in sudoers: using Nano/pico or :w if using vi |
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| 11:07.31 | flavi0 | wtf vi.. |
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| 11:08.04 | bertbob | AlwaysHigh: make a directory in each user's home, say public_html. Set the owner to user, the group to www (or whatever). Set the permissions 2755 rwxr-sr-x |
| 11:08.24 | flavi0 | sorry for this. so i put this in sudoers: flavi0 ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/smartctl |
| 11:08.40 | flavi0 | i also tried: flavi0 ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/smartctl |
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| 11:09.16 | flavi0 | although I'm not prompted for a password, I'm still lacking the privileges. From how I understand the manpage that should work, but I'm sure I'm missing something. |
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| 11:10.17 | flavi0 | (it is the last entry in sudoers) |
| 11:12.12 | SynrG | omarek: update-java-alternatives. Read about it in /usr/share/doc/openjdk*/README.alternatives |
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| 11:12.43 | omarek | SynrG: Thank you. |
| 11:13.02 | SynrG | omarek: that changes it system wide which may or may not be what you want |
| 11:13.31 | omarek | SynrG: Hmm, that sounds like an overkill just to run a free game. |
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| 11:14.31 | SynrG | Then specify the path to the updated Java binary |
| 11:14.57 | patero-ng | markybob: I thought blender was for making 3d images |
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| 11:15.09 | patero-ng | I want to work with multimedia |
| 11:16.55 | flavi0 | do i *need* to be in the sudo group on debian? it's just convenience right? |
| 11:16.58 | SynrG | flavi0: on which Debian release? |
| 11:17.08 | SynrG | You don't. Not for this |
| 11:17.14 | flavi0 | SynrG: jessie |
| 11:17.39 | SynrG | Order is important |
| 11:17.54 | flavi0 | SynrG: yes, it is the last entry in sudoers, no include or anything thereafter. |
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| 11:18.41 | SynrG | You sure it's the last? There's some .d stuff near the end |
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| 11:19.42 | flavi0 | Yes. The line is commented. Or is #includedir a directive although # marks comments? Wouldn't make sense I guess. |
| 11:20.22 | SynrG | It's a directive |
| 11:20.23 | flavi0 | Anyways in the sudoers.d there is only a README |
| 11:20.34 | flavi0 | for real? |
| 11:21.01 | flavi0 | Hah, true. |
| 11:21.21 | flavi0 | Bad on the lexer I would say, but well. Still there's only the README in there. |
| 11:21.52 | cra1g321 | if you want to edit the sudoers file, use visudo as root |
| 11:23.02 | SynrG | flavi0: not sure then. Looks right to me. |
| 11:23.17 | flavi0 | cra1g321: no change. what's a bit strange is that the line is not syntax highlighted. |
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| 11:23.33 | cra1g321 | what are you trying to do ? |
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| 11:24.00 | flavi0 | http://dpaste.com/16RHEJN |
| 11:24.17 | flavi0 | I want to be able to run smartctl without a password to have my IRC bot report on raid health. |
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| 11:25.09 | flavi0 | Will refine to allow him to run exactly the command with given arguments next, needs to be working at all first. |
| 11:26.03 | SynrG | What error do you get? |
| 11:26.12 | flavi0 | Smartctl open device: /dev/sdb failed: Permission denied |
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| 11:26.49 | SynrG | And the exact command that produced that? |
| 11:27.03 | flavi0 | flavi0@files:~$ smartctl -x -d ata /dev/sdb |
| 11:27.22 | SynrG | sudo in front |
| 11:27.28 | flavi0 | wtf |
| 11:27.35 | flavi0 | -_- |
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| 11:27.41 | flavi0 | sorry :) |
| 11:27.48 | flavi0 | didn't have coffee yet |
| 11:27.55 | SynrG | ;) |
| 11:28.15 | flavi0 | well yeah... makes sense. have never been using sudo before, scusi. |
| 11:28.39 | flavi0 | and it works, as expected. |
| 11:29.08 | flavi0 | feels dump, gets a coffee while being mad about his stupidity |
| 11:29.10 | flavi0 | b |
| 11:29.43 | n1cky | going to ask again because I didn't actually fix my problem last time, I only have a single USB port to work with an I'm trying to do a net install |
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| 11:30.10 | n1cky | I need to load the installer into the ramfs and then unplug it so that I can use my usb port for ethernet |
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| 11:30.51 | n1cky | i dropped to a shell and mounted the drive manually, copied it to a temporary dir, unmounted, and copied it back. The installer worked until I had to run debootstrap, it said it couldn't get the release codename and failed |
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| 11:31.27 | n1cky | I thne dropped back to a shell and ran debootstrap manually, and it put all the files in place, but then i couldn't continue the install (eg: install grub, run the finish scripts) |
| 11:31.37 | n1cky | is there a wiki page about what the installer is doing so I can just do it all from the shell? |
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| 11:33.36 | Brigo | n1cky, for installing grub you have to chroot in the system and install grub from there. |
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| 11:34.30 | cra1g321 | can also be done with rescue mode |
| 11:34.54 | SynrG | patero-ng: read the features list. It's much more. http://www.blender.org/features/ |
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| 11:36.15 | SynrG | n1cky: The seven installation guide also has instructions for alternate install methods, e.g. from hdd |
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| 11:36.39 | SynrG | The Debian* installation guide |
| 11:37.40 | SynrG | Or from netboot |
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| 12:05.17 | sns | does groups(1) read from a cache? I've removed a user from a group using usermod, and it's absent from /etc/group and getent group, but groups for the user still shows membership. |
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| 12:10.38 | david-maurer | Hello, I have the sound not working on laptop asus g751j of my brother, like my laptop, but the sound on, debian jessie |
| 12:12.10 | david-maurer | can you help me ? |
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| 12:49.00 | Putti | When I type "sudo systemctl status " and try to do tab completion, I get: "Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory". Is this a bug in Debian Jessie? Or is it intended like this..? |
| 12:50.05 | Putti | (I'm using bash and I installed bash-completion package) |
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| 12:51.33 | spacebug^ | Putti: I don't get any erro on that. Jessie 8.2 |
| 12:52.23 | Putti | spacebug^, maybe you have dbus installed? |
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| 12:52.57 | spacebug^ | Putti: yes, dbus-daemon is running |
| 12:53.38 | spacebug^ | Nothing I have installed on my own.. basic system installed it I think |
| 12:53.42 | Putti | Ok, hmm. Shouldn't it work even without dbus? |
| 12:54.02 | spacebug^ | I don't know :/ |
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| 12:55.33 | Putti | spacebug^, okay. I'll try to figure out how to do a bug report (for bash-completion package, I guess) and maybe they will know where is the problem. |
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| 12:57.19 | spacebug^ | Putti: ok |
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| 13:37.11 | tite12345 | What's the best way to join oftc from a normal Pidgin like inside Debian? |
| 13:37.21 | tite12345 | I'm not using SSL or routing through anything I think. |
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| 13:47.58 | tite12345 | Also, something's buggy in Debian. |
| 13:48.23 | tite12345 | My battery indicator doesn't accurately display the true state of my battery bay. |
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| 13:48.51 | tite12345 | It only shows the initial state of my battery bay, like if my battery is plugged or not on boot. |
| 13:49.14 | tite12345 | It doesn't show the true state after wards, like if I remove it lately or plug it back. |
| 13:49.23 | tite12345 | Hopefully you guys get me :p |
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| 13:54.21 | c0fe | i got an issue with removing mariadb can anyone please help? i keep getting E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 14:14.06 | Stawidy | ,~kernels |
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| 14:15.06 | jelly | no soup for you |
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| 14:30.52 | Aleksa | Would Chromium be suitable to install stuffs from Chroum Web Store? |
| 14:31.19 | SynrG | yes |
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| 14:31.44 | modwizcode|away | Hi, I've been working on creating a package for a library and was faced with the problem of a source package that had architecture specific dependencies (ie. videocore libraries for pi specific features). I couldn't find any documentation on the proper solution to this problem. So I've finally come here. |
| 14:31.50 | Aleksa | I haven't installed Chrome nor Chromium and I want to know if I must install Chrome (or basic Chromium would be appropriate). |
| 14:31.57 | Aleksa | SynrG, thank you |
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| 14:34.17 | somiaj | modwizcode|away: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be of help |
| 14:34.20 | modwizcode|away | ok |
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| 14:48.26 | Dat | I'm trying to get brctl install and be able to bring up a interface such as vmbr0 how can this be done? |
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| 15:20.06 | Resilience | hello to everyone, does icewesel comes with proxmat extension? or has it been installed as malware from some site? |
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| 15:21.18 | Putti | Resilience, if I go to the extensions list it doesn't show anything like that |
| 15:22.22 | Resilience | Putti, thanks |
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| 15:24.42 | Putti | Resilience, I checked the extensions from about:addons, not sure if there are some other type of extensions for iceweasel. You meant the extensions listed in about:addons, right? |
| 15:25.08 | Resilience | Putti, yes, I mean the add-ons (sorry, I called it "extension") |
| 15:26.41 | Putti | Resilience, ok, good! :) Well, the about:addons page uses both "extensions" and "add-ons". |
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| 15:27.44 | Resilience | Putti, yes, I have read littlel bit more in the "intermecs" and searching for prooxmate + malware sys is not goodware |
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| 15:34.55 | tortib | whenever I run service apache2 restart it doesn't output anything to the terminal stating it's restarting the service...anyone know how I can get that to output again? Also I use to be able to tab complete and it would complete the service name which is no longer occuring. |
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| 15:35.38 | gdot2 | I am looking for a solution to streaming video and audio files over the network to Android/Windows/Linux/Apple devices. What options besides minidlna do I have? |
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| 15:35.52 | tortib | gdot2 vlc can stream |
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| 15:39.48 | teraflops | gdot2: dlna is ok. Kodi has a nice upnp builtin service too |
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| 15:54.37 | gdot2 | tortib: interesting, will have a look into that. teraflops: thanks for reminding me. |
| 15:54.58 | teraflops | gdot2: np |
| 15:55.09 | tortib | gdot2 not sure if it will work for what you're going for I don't know if the phone version of VLC can stream :( |
| 15:55.53 | tortib | how can I enable ipv6 forwarding in the kernel using /proc? I enabled it in sysctl.conf but I don't want to reboot |
| 15:57.52 | morf | tortib: flush |
| 15:58.29 | morf | tortib: net.ipv6.route.flush=1 |
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| 16:04.40 | tortib | morf what |
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| 16:05.08 | morf | tortib: nothing |
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| 16:09.04 | atralheaven | hello, how can I find out if its possible to install debian on a tablet, and use tablet hardwares (like wifi, simcard, gps, etc) |
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| 16:11.07 | rgr | you can google. but dont bother. It will be simply awful. |
| 16:11.52 | rgr | and the fact you need to ask suggests that you wont have the skills to get anything working properly : its a mission too far. |
| 16:12.17 | atralheaven | rgr: so I better dont think about a tablet as a linux platform.. yes? it was too cheap I thought I may be able to hack it well |
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| 16:16.16 | puyansude | @atralheaven your tablet is already running a variation of linux |
| 16:16.55 | Sunflowerise | Am I crazy? http://codepad.org/mE31Swco |
| 16:17.33 | puyansude | installing a terminal APP? |
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| 16:19.44 | morf | tortib: https://klaver.it/linux/sysctl.conf look on the end of the file |
| 16:19.55 | tortib | morf i enabled it there |
| 16:20.04 | tortib | someone else told me it was in /proc/sys/net/ipv6/ |
| 16:20.07 | tortib | so it's enabled now |
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| 16:21.27 | GenTooMan | where does debian install wxwidgets library and dev package? /usr or /usr/local ? |
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| 16:23.36 | peterrooney | GenTooMan: dpkg -L packagename (and /usr, while we're at it, because /usr/local is for local software, not repository software). |
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| 16:24.36 | GenTooMan | peterrooney thanks that should work (hopefully) |
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| 16:42.27 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 16:42.44 | tite12345 | Any of you tried playing this on Debian yet? https://thepiratebay.mn/torrent/12729149/Fallout_4-CODEX |
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| 16:43.26 | dsc_ | tite12345: forget it |
| 16:44.02 | dsc_ | apart from the fact discussing warez is probably not allowed, dont expect fallout 4 to be opengl AND support linux |
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| 16:45.14 | dsc_ | its directx11 which wine barely supports... |
| 16:47.57 | wallbroken | e20 still not packaged? |
| 16:50.30 | jelly | wallbroken: when was it released? |
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| 16:50.55 | wallbroken | few days ago i guess |
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| 16:51.29 | tite12345 | Hmm |
| 16:51.43 | tite12345 | This is weird, takes too long for me to get Wine. |
| 16:54.19 | tortib | can someone help me get routing work on ipv6 with openvpn? |
| 16:54.20 | innervision | I am running debian 8.2 jessie and I have serious problems with freezes and xserver crashes. the guys over at #nouveau told me that I need recent versions of the kernel and mesa for my hardware, would you suggest to switch to debian testing or unstable? Do I need a fresh install for that? |
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| 16:54.37 | tortib | I have 2000::/3 set as the default route but I'm not able to ping ipv6 hosts or get to ipv6 websites |
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| 16:55.26 | jelly | wallbroken: debian does not package new releases that quickly unless the maintainers are really invested. If you can, help the e packaging team. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/e17 |
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| 17:00.28 | mtn | innervision, you can get a new kernel and other packages from debian backports |
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| 17:01.13 | jelly | mtn: there are no backports for Mesa or X server, tho |
| 17:01.43 | mtn | jelly, ok, thanks |
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| 17:18.45 | rgr | tite12345: fallout 4 working on Linux? Good luck with that. |
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| 17:27.14 | tite12345 | rgr: Haha |
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| 17:29.17 | tite12345 | Is Steam safe to install on Debian? |
| 17:29.36 | tite12345 | I've come across things saying that it's gonna spy on it's users and stuff. |
| 17:30.01 | alchemistswl | Ehm |
| 17:30.02 | GenTooMan | does it require privledges beyond a regular user? |
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| 17:30.30 | GenTooMan | but yes steam does spy on it's users. |
| 17:30.52 | alchemistswl | Google Coke + spying on you... |
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| 17:31.20 | GenTooMan | too many people trying to make their work "useful" |
| 17:31.40 | alchemistswl | You will see that for every bigger company there is some conspiracy theory. I installed Steam without a problem and didn't see anything that was spying on me beyond the normal usage statistics, to be honest. |
| 17:32.47 | tite12345 | I don't think it requires special privs. That would be root right? |
| 17:33.57 | alchemistswl | >Running anything as root ever except for starting/restarting services. |
| 17:34.07 | tite12345 | Hmmm, I was told Steam may not run properly as I'm missing this library: libc.so.6 |
| 17:34.15 | alchemistswl | You will need to get some libs straight... |
| 17:34.16 | GenTooMan | there are numerous privelidges and groups Ie group sudo games video etc. |
| 17:34.16 | tite12345 | Couldn't find that thing in my repo either. |
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| 17:34.32 | tite12345 | alchemistswl: Mhmmm |
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| 17:34.39 | alchemistswl | tite12345 you are running on x64 is presume? |
| 17:34.43 | tite12345 | Yes |
| 17:34.56 | GenTooMan | alchemistswl They are out to get me I'm not paranoid darn it! |
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| 17:35.43 | alchemistswl | tite12345 http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/558753803697962238/?l=german try this |
| 17:36.04 | alchemistswl | Or google it, I know I had the same issues months ago, I sadly dont know how to fix it, its an x64 bit system problem with the libs |
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| 17:36.50 | tite12345 | Hmm |
| 17:37.12 | boodie | Hi (jessie): I am trying to mount an android (not so)smart phone, in order to download pictures ... I did dmesg | less, to identify it , it seems to be sg3. When I did "mount -t auto /dev/sg3 /media/floppy" it says /dev/sg3 is not a block device |
| 17:37.24 | boodie | can anyone throw a hint? |
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| 17:39.13 | xand | you probably can't mount it but have to use MTP |
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| 17:40.22 | tite12345 | There might be a Steam for Debian right? |
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| 17:40.30 | tite12345 | And that would probably in the nonfree repo? |
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| 17:40.41 | boodie | MTP? |
| 17:40.49 | xand | tite12345: think you'd need to get it from valve |
| 17:40.49 | markybob | tite12345, https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 17:40.56 | xand | ?MTP |
| 17:40.59 | xand | !MTP |
| 17:40.59 | dpkg | Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) is a Microsoft protocol for transferring images, music (etc.) between a computer and a portable device. Standardized as a USB device class in 2008. The libmtp shared library provides MTP interoperability for applications including <Amarok>, <Audacious>, <Banshee> and <Rhythmbox>; <jmtpfs> provides conventional filesystem access. See also <PTP>. |
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| 17:42.10 | boodie | Oh, crap! Is there a package to run this protocol? |
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| 17:45.33 | boodie | kio-mtp? |
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| 18:07.16 | patero-ng | can someone tell me what video player is available on linux like gom player for windows |
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| 18:12.29 | mtn | patero-ng, you can search for video players in the package manager and you can ask google for a specific linux version that matches a windows program |
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| 18:17.31 | tite12345 | Hi guys! |
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| 18:17.47 | patero-ng | mtn: wow |
| 18:17.53 | patero-ng | mtn: I like mpv |
| 18:17.58 | tite12345 | I've got a bunch of .mp3's, I'd like to convert them into the highest quality possible with free format. that's possible right? |
| 18:18.05 | tite12345 | And I believe it's ogg? |
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| 18:19.06 | Hello71 | wav. |
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| 18:20.40 | markybob | tite12345, no. highest possible quatily you want flac. ffmpeg -i input.mp3 output.flac |
| 18:22.05 | patero-ng | pros |
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| 18:23.57 | patero-ng | anyone here pro enough to rename all files in a directory to have _ instead then spaces for all files in a directory |
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| 18:25.40 | xand | use the rename command |
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| 18:25.42 | markybob | patero-ng, sure. for file in *; do mv "$file" `echo $file | tr ' ' '_'` ; done |
| 18:26.05 | teraflops | what's the point of encoding encoding lossy to lossless |
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| 18:26.44 | teraflops | *? |
| 18:26.51 | markybob | teraflops, he/she said highest possible quality. i didn't ask why |
| 18:27.06 | teraflops | markybob: it has no sense at all |
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| 18:27.33 | markybob | teraflops, i'm not here to judge. just answered the question |
| 18:28.25 | teraflops | oh boy |
| 18:28.39 | markybob | oh girl |
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| 18:34.05 | ProfessorKaos64 | trying to use pastebinit, getting "Bad API request, invalid api_dev_key", latest jessie pkg, 1.4-4 |
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| 18:45.40 | jelly | ProfessorKaos64: does this work? echo -e '1\n2\n3\n4\n5' | pastebinit |
| 18:46.09 | ProfessorKaos64 | Naw, i saw the bug report here, going to recompile with the patch: https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1303799.html |
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| 18:48.33 | jelly | ProfessorKaos64: that patch should be present in 1.4-4, if you read the whole bug report https://bugs.debian.org/778336 |
| 18:48.35 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/778336 in pastebinit (closed, patch): «pastebinit: fails in the default configuration»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-02-13; last modified: 2015-04-06. |
| 18:48.54 | ProfessorKaos64 | This https://packages.debian.org/jessie/pastebinit, does not work then |
| 18:49.04 | ProfessorKaos64 | unless I should use sid/strech |
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| 18:49.19 | jelly | ProfessorKaos64: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:49.30 | ProfessorKaos64 | SteamOS, but I am using the 1.4-4 0 package from jessie |
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| 18:50.00 | jelly | ProfessorKaos64: you'll have to ask the SteamOS people why that fails for you. It works for me here on actual jessie. |
| 18:50.40 | jelly | ProfessorKaos64: does piping to "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" work, instead? |
| 18:50.44 | ProfessorKaos64 | yes |
| 18:50.49 | ProfessorKaos64 | which tells me the patch isn't present |
| 18:50.53 | ProfessorKaos64 | maybe I need to purege the pkg? |
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| 18:51.14 | jelly | you need to ask in the right channel. |
| 18:51.33 | jelly | or be able to reproduce the bug in debian |
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| 18:52.55 | jelly | pastebinit has historically been finicky, I'm not surprised it breaks with small changes in the system (that a derivative like steamos might introduce) |
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| 18:54.09 | ProfessorKaos64 | It's likely that lsb_release is off because of the dirivitive, i'll recompile their package with the patch and check. thanks |
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| 18:55.42 | jelly | ProfessorKaos64: I think it works as expected: -b [pastebin url] (default is distro-specific with a fallback to pastebin.com) |
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| 18:56.00 | ProfessorKaos64 | I know. I just need to patch valves, accounting for their lsb_release |
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| 18:56.21 | jelly | since your distro is not Debian, it defaults to pastebin.com and fails there because you need an API key for pastebin.com now |
| 18:56.28 | ProfessorKaos64 | yep |
| 18:56.31 | jelly | ProfessorKaos64: upstream has a related bug. |
| 18:56.40 | jelly | https://bugs.launchpad.net/pastebinit/+bug/1483843 |
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| 18:59.03 | jelly | ProfessorKaos64: I wouldn't bother messing with the code, just put a config file in place forcing paste.debian.net if that's what you want |
| 18:59.27 | ProfessorKaos64 | I was gong to have a bit of fun and fix their package and submit it to them. I know |
| 19:00.29 | jelly | dpkg, tell ProfessorKaos64 about pastebinit config |
| 19:01.23 | jelly | does SteamOS have their own paste site? Defaulting to debian from a different distro seems wrong. |
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| 19:03.54 | ProfessorKaos64 | the origi bug from debian seems to imply the default pastebin API is closed now |
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| 19:04.22 | ProfessorKaos64 | I actually made a package fro sprunge.us, works to a degree |
| 19:05.14 | ProfessorKaos64 | i'll just report it to Valve, so they can make the call if it's dangerous to do so |
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| 19:05.39 | jelly | isn't the package for sprunge called "curl" :-) |
| 19:06.00 | ProfessorKaos64 | Remembering the string is a pain to me, I have too many things bouncing around |
| 19:06.14 | ProfessorKaos64 | but yea I know, lazy me :P |
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| 19:06.20 | jelly | if only it were documented somewhere! Like maybe on their site! |
| 19:06.33 | ProfessorKaos64 | ha ha |
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| 19:27.50 | ProfessorKaos64 | jelly, is there an open URL/site that would be a sane target than forcing it onthe debian paste site? |
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| 19:33.47 | new2this | how can i download https://www.telemundo.com/novelas/2015/12/18/celia-capitulo-48-celia-le-confiesa-la-verdad-su-madre-ollita to view it offline later on? i tried youtube-dl but it does not support the site |
| 19:34.44 | LinuxJJ | Anyone have any issues with Realtek RTL8723 card on Debian? I have to install the drivers manually(not hard just bring them from another Debian box via USB) but I notice my wifi connection is unstable, drops randomly and 90% of the time wont come back w/o a full reset |
| 19:34.58 | LinuxJJ | anyone have any idea on how to fix this? |
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| 19:37.03 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: what do you mean manually? That card probabaly requires non-free firmware, or is it new enough it requires a newer kernel too? |
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| 19:37.50 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: or are you compling the drivers from upstream (realtek) against your kernel? |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | new2this: there are other similar programs |
| 19:37.57 | LinuxJJ | somiaj, it is non-free but I have to do it manually since my machine doesnt have an ethernet connection |
| 19:38.34 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: correct, usually you just need to copy over the firmware-realtek .deb package from debian to your machine (no compling of drivers). |
| 19:38.36 | LinuxJJ | somiaj, I do it from the debian repos but I have to copy them over via usb |
| 19:38.42 | ofaq | why does debian provide non-free crap |
| 19:38.48 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: then install the firmware with dpkg -i |
| 19:39.01 | LinuxJJ | somiaj, I did that but the wifi connection is unstable and drops out randomly |
| 19:39.08 | abrotman | ofaq: because some hardware requires it, and some people use non-DFSG-compatible licenses |
| 19:39.24 | abrotman | ofaq: Feel free to use another distro if you odn't agree with that |
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| 19:39.51 | ofaq | my dad is a RMS freak |
| 19:39.55 | LinuxJJ | ofaq, believe me if i could change this card to a different one I would, I wish I could go full libre |
| 19:39.56 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: I have found the realtek cards to be flaky in linux, Sometimes a newer kenerl with newer firmware can fix some issues. Depends on the actual chipset |
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| 19:40.01 | abrotman | ofaq: Okay, there are distros for that |
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| 19:40.34 | markybob | ofaq, http://www.gnewsense.org/ fits the bill |
| 19:40.41 | somiaj | ofaq: debian gives users their choice. You can run 100% DSFG free software if you only run software provided by main. You don't have to install non-free stuff if you don't want to. Though this does require being very picky about what hardware you buy. |
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| 19:40.46 | LinuxJJ | somiaj, this card is definitely flaky, seems to be more stable in mint which I am running now but I want to run Debian |
| 19:41.03 | abrotman | LinuxJJ: tried the kernel/firmware from jessie-backports? |
| 19:41.08 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: do you know what kernel mint is using? |
| 19:41.12 | LinuxJJ | ofaq, also trisquel is full libre |
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| 19:41.34 | ofaq | I'm running debian now but my dad is mad it's on his network |
| 19:41.37 | new2this | abrotman, please mention some that do work for the task i want to complete |
| 19:41.45 | ofaq | I have no choice cause I need the iwlwifi firmware |
| 19:41.51 | abrotman | new2this: you can use "apt-cache search" and find them yourself |
| 19:41.58 | ofaq | or I have to buy another wifi |
| 19:41.59 | LinuxJJ | will be installing that after I get my raspi to flash libreboot to my Thinkpad T60 since my first attempt bricked it |
| 19:42.10 | LinuxJJ | abrotman, I have not would it help? |
| 19:42.11 | magyar | how can I rename an md array from md127 to md3? |
| 19:42.16 | LinuxJJ | somiaj, Let me check |
| 19:42.20 | abrotman | LinuxJJ: maybe |
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| 19:43.00 | LinuxJJ | somiaj, 3.16.0-38-generic |
| 19:43.04 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: drivers are provided via the linux kernel and newer versions sometimes fix issues. Debian provides these via jessie-backports |
| 19:43.09 | new2this | abrotman, i did apt-cache search telemundo and got no results |
| 19:43.41 | ofaq | which laptops don't have the iwl shit? |
| 19:43.44 | abrotman | new2this: ah, no |
| 19:43.56 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: hmm, that should be a similar kernel that debian jessie uses by default. Did you install the correct firmware package for jessie? |
| 19:44.03 | abrotman | ofaq: Quite likely if they don't have IWL, the'yll have broadcom, which is 1000 times worse |
| 19:44.05 | new2this | abrotman, so you did that too? |
| 19:44.20 | markybob | ofaq, probably 30% of them |
| 19:44.22 | LinuxJJ | yes rtl package has it |
| 19:44.36 | LinuxJJ | installed rtl_firmware and copied it from there |
| 19:44.39 | ofaq | how do you find out |
| 19:45.24 | markybob | ofaq, google. |
| 19:45.24 | somiaj | ofaq: fsf has a list of free hardware. I think the common wifi that doesn't require non-free hardware is Aetheros (note some Aetheros cards requre non-free firmware, and the ones that don't require it additional still have non-free firmware flashed on the card, so really it isn't that much more free) |
| 19:45.54 | somiaj | LinuxJJ: rtl_firmware? Do you mean the firmware-realtek package or did you get the firmware from realk or some other place? |
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| 19:46.31 | LinuxJJ | somiaj, let me check |
| 19:46.34 | simonlnu | 's laptop is iwlwifi. better than that bcm c**p IHO |
| 19:46.35 | somiaj | ofaq: Getting hardware that is truely free (espically the bios) takes a bit of work unforntully, but if that is your goal there are places to do that. |
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| 19:48.00 | LinuxJJ | somiaj, firmware-realtek |
| 19:48.07 | ppparadox | I'm in the process of buying a new work laptop, what are the most {linux,debian}-compatible brands out there? |
| 19:48.16 | ofaq | somiaj, basically need to build my own |
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| 19:49.31 | somiaj | ofaq: there are some libre laptops out there, but they are hard to find. I personally use intel as I like the hardware, but for the wifi card you are stuck with non-free firmware (note intel's sight lists the reasons (some legal) why it has to provided the firmware) |
| 19:50.27 | LinuxJJ | ofaq, Get a Thinkpad T60 and you can put on libreboot and Trisquel, it's what RMS uses |
| 19:50.34 | somiaj | ofaq: as for debian, debian gives users the choice to use non DSFG software if they want to. It is never a requirement to use non-free in debian. The fsf just won't support debian because even though there is a choice/distnction between free and contrib/non-free software, it is 'too easy' for a user to install non-free software. |
| 19:50.42 | abrotman | ppparadox: I'd probably say tihngs that have intel video/wifi, but the wifi still needs firmware |
| 19:51.05 | abrotman | LinuxJJ: that's great, except the T60 hasn't been made in something like five or six years |
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| 19:51.24 | ppparadox | abrotman: and nvidia |
| 19:51.25 | somiaj | I didn't think there was a wifi card that didn't have non-free firmware at some level, the real question is is the firmware flashed on the chip or provided as an extra binary blob. |
| 19:51.26 | ppparadox | ? |
| 19:51.33 | abrotman | ppparadox: no, I said Intel video |
| 19:51.41 | LinuxJJ | abrotman, you can get them on ebay from 50-110$ |
| 19:51.55 | abrotman | LinuxJJ: yeah, and the hardware is ancient. |
| 19:52.00 | LinuxJJ | abrotman, that wher I got mine and its in great condition |
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| 19:52.49 | abrotman | would rather have a laptop that doesn't max out at 4GB RAM |
| 19:52.54 | LinuxJJ | abrotman, it works for everything your average user needs, no big gaming but it works fine with gimp, youtube, email, some dev work |
| 19:53.25 | abrotman | LinuxJJ: You could also use DOS .. |
| 19:53.25 | LinuxJJ | abrotman, about all you cant do with it is gaming and even then you can play older games without too much difficulty |
| 19:53.50 | ppparadox | What about durability instead? |
| 19:53.54 | LinuxJJ | abrotman, Id rather do that than pay ~$3000 for the libre laptop |
| 19:54.01 | abrotman | I wouldn't do either |
| 19:54.20 | LinuxJJ | also abrotman you can buy more recent thinkpads and use those |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | you can easily get a newer laptop that has everything free except wifi, and then get an ath9k wifi card (if that's your issue) |
| 19:54.33 | zophy | what is the best linux html page authoring tool that has click and select and put and just all sorts of whizzy easiness ? |
| 19:54.47 | abrotman | zophy: Mozilla Composer is still a thing I think |
| 19:54.55 | abrotman | zophy: WYSIWYG is the term you're looking for |
| 19:54.56 | zophy | hmmm |
| 19:54.59 | zophy | yes |
| 19:55.19 | somiaj | I don't think it is in debian anymore as seamonkey (iceape) hasn't been in the repos for a while though. |
| 19:55.57 | abrotman | Oh, right .. Forgot they'd removed it |
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| 20:02.51 | new2this | is the Brother MFC-7360N supported by jessie out of the box? |
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| 20:04.03 | markybob | new2this, no, but it's not hard. http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#MFC-7360 |
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| 20:05.34 | new2this | markybob, not hard? where is the jessie desktop newbie tutorial to install that printer? |
| 20:05.59 | markybob | new2this, http://askubuntu.com/questions/280644/install-brother-mfc-7360n-for-beginners |
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| 20:06.53 | notarobot | hi |
| 20:07.05 | notarobot | how can u have bug like 28 key back to grub for yrs without catching, ok? |
| 20:07.43 | new2this | markybob, correct me if i am wrong but debian is not ubuntu. The link you mention says "Install drivers through the Ubuntu repository." |
| 20:08.18 | markybob | new2this, you're correct. the instructions still apply to debian |
| 20:11.08 | new2this | markybob, instructions 1 or instructions 2? |
| 20:13.06 | markybob | new2this, 1 |
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| 20:16.33 | new2this | markybob, oh crap! the drivers are non free software. I can NOT agree to the EULA and download the software! |
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| 20:17.13 | markybob | new2this, sorry. that's the only way you'll get it to work. |
| 20:17.15 | ppparadox | new2this: i'm sure you can work your way around a javascript box |
| 20:17.16 | dsc_ | notarobot: idiot. |
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| 20:17.51 | new2this | ppparadox, i do not understand what you mean |
| 20:17.53 | somiaj | new2this: I'd suggest instructions #2, I think it depends on if you are using a destkop that has a 'system settings' menu. |
| 20:18.15 | new2this | somiaj, oh crap! the drivers are non free software. I can NOT agree to the EULA and download the software! |
| 20:18.17 | somiaj | new2this: but you may be stuck with non-free drivers, if that is the case unsure what to suggest. |
| 20:18.33 | kaosu | A full libre system seems pretty impractical. Do you have to sacrifice a lot of computing power and usability to achieve that goal? I can get behind the concept, but it seems like you have to sacrifice an awful lot in order to achieve the goal of a fully open system. |
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| 20:18.56 | somiaj | (though Id on't like suggestion number 2 idea of using --force-all, that is just dangerous) |
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| 20:20.37 | kaosu | I imagine that there isn't a market for high-performance hardware that has open-source drivers and no proprietary software hidden away in the devices firmware, etc. |
| 20:20.53 | Lionyx | To the console fan guys: I've seen someone using fbi (the image display for framebuffer tty) inside screen. I can't do the same from inside screen or tmux, only with fresh tty. Any idea how to accomplish that? Jessie 8.2 here |
| 20:21.07 | somiaj | kaosu: A lot depends on user choice. The major issue I see people in here run across is hardware drivers, and wifi being the major culprit. |
| 20:21.34 | somiaj | Lionyx: what video card do you have? |
| 20:21.46 | new2this | somiaj, markybob, ppparadox : agreeing and installing the drivers is anathema |
| 20:22.13 | new2this | somiaj, markybob, ppparadox : agreeing to the EULA and installing the drivers is indeed anathema! |
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| 20:22.24 | ppparadox | new2this: i meant you can find the actual download link in the page source without having to click agree |
| 20:22.45 | somiaj | new2this: You can try to look for some other drivers. You don't need to repeate yourself. Or you may need to research and buy a printer that doesn't require non-free drivers. |
| 20:22.45 | markybob | new2this, i have an hp printer that i have to use non-free drivers with. it's just how it goes. |
| 20:22.51 | Lionyx | somiaj: Intel HD graphs. built in on laptop |
| 20:23.08 | somiaj | Lionyx: most likley the i915 kms module is loaded (check with lsmod) |
| 20:23.17 | new2this | markybob, you are not a devotee but i am |
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| 20:23.59 | markybob | new2this, so don't agree to the EULA and buy another printer |
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| 20:24.11 | Lionyx | somiaj: yep. lots of i915, with kms in it there's: i915,drm_kms_helper |
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| 20:24.12 | new2this | proprietary software=anathema |
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| 20:24.29 | somiaj | Lionyx: this is the 'new framebuffer' (well it is more than that). This controls both console and partly xorg's graphics and has a framebuffer built in. In that case you really just need an image viewer that can show an image in a framebuffer |
| 20:24.52 | kaosu | new2this: Alright, we get it. This is a Debian support channel, not a place to wage your own personal wars on software philosophy. |
| 20:25.08 | somiaj | new2this: we get the point. It is your choice, and at this point you may need to go to the fsf sight and research printers that only use free software and then go aquire one. |
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| 20:26.27 | Lionyx | somiaj: It IS possible for me to see images on console already. I use fbi to do that. But as soon as I open tmux, or screen, I get the message that something.... ictl() (not a Linux console?)... |
| 20:26.39 | somiaj | new2this: http://www.openprinting.org/driver/Postscript-Brother/ -- I found that in a google search. It may help. I'm unsure if the ppd files it offers are truely free or not though. (didn't double check the fine details fo you) |
| 20:26.41 | new2this | markybob, buying is unfortunately not an option i am barely surviving and still using a Pentium IV. The printer was given to me before i knew the word. |
| 20:27.10 | somiaj | Lionyx: might be a tmux/screen stetting then. I would check for that. It just might not be enabled by default. |
| 20:27.35 | new2this | somiaj, kaosu, markybob : a pentium IV is an old machine |
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| 20:28.26 | kaosu | new2this: I am unsure what you are trying to achieve here. We can't do anything about your printer not having open drivers. So, complaining for the sake of complaining is not going to fix anything. |
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| 20:29.16 | Lionyx | somiaj: ok tks, i'll keep looking. :) Also... can you tell me more about i915 thing? Back on old days I set the console resolution within GRUB. Nowadays I use dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ... And it does stuff after kernel is loaded (it changes 1 to 3 times the res and fonts)... how do I know more about this process? |
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| 20:29.42 | somiaj | new2this: so it seems you can use the printer with the generic open PPD files if all you want is basic printing. If you want to access the fax or scanner and you don't want to use non-free software you'll have to look for different hardware. You could also write Brother and see if you can get them to opensource the drivers. |
| 20:29.52 | somiaj | !kms |
| 20:29.52 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 20:29.52 | kaosu | new2this: A solution might be to visit your local recycling center and yard sales. See if you can't find a printer on this list: https://h-node.org/printers/catalogue/en |
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| 20:31.46 | kaosu | I know my local recycling center sells printers for a few dollars. Many yard sales will also sell them for under $5, so you might be able to luck out and find something you like for a price you can afford. |
| 20:31.55 | Lionyx | somiaj: tks |
| 20:31.58 | somiaj | Lionyx: it gives a common grapical protocol that both xorg and consoles can use which improves a lot of things (such as switching between tty and xorg, etc) |
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| 20:33.37 | somiaj | Lionyx: which I think is a better design than having to have additional framebuffers that then conflict with xorg drivers. I think they support many framebuffer features, but lots of documentation on consoles is outdated due to this change) |
| 20:33.43 | new2this | somiaj, all i need the MFC-7360n for is printing. Scanning, fax, etc would be nice but not worth it if i incur in anathema |
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| 20:34.05 | somiaj | new2this: then follow that link I sent and just use the generic ppd files (Which might already be installed on your system) |
| 20:34.40 | Lionyx | somiaj: Thats cool! Actually, there's no i915-kms.conf file here... |
| 20:34.41 | somiaj | new2this: it might take some more fiddiling around and testing things out. |
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| 20:34.48 | notze | i have a service script, copied it into /etc/init.d/myservice. now i try to run it via service myservice start |
| 20:34.52 | somiaj | Lionyx: that is because you haven't created one |
| 20:35.15 | abrotman | notze: did you make the script executable? |
| 20:35.20 | notze | no i get Failed to start myservice.service: Unit myservice.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
| 20:35.23 | somiaj | Lionyx: that si some more old documentation (it use to be default to have kms turned off, now it is default to have it turned on. |
| 20:35.32 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:35.38 | abrotman | notze: you'll have to use the systemd tools |
| 20:35.46 | somiaj | notze: you put .service files in /etc/systemd/system |
| 20:36.06 | new2this | somiaj, is the free as in freedom solution you mentioned desktop newbie friendly? |
| 20:36.07 | somiaj | notze: then systemctl enable name.service should load it |
| 20:36.17 | notze | abrotman, somiaj okay will try now! |
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| 20:37.27 | somiaj | new2this: read the page I linked. But my suggestion is use what ever system tools you ahve to configure your printer and it should give you options about which .ppd files and give it the generic ones. |
| 20:37.52 | notze | somiaj, Failed to execute operation: Bad message |
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| 20:38.18 | notze | ohh |
| 20:38.38 | notze | its a diffrent structure:( |
| 20:38.46 | somiaj | notze: care tos hare the .service file at paste.debian.net? and the output of systemctl status name.service |
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| 20:38.59 | somiaj | notze: is this a .service file or an LSB init script? |
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| 20:39.48 | styler2go | hello. i am trying to find out what is startinh php5-fpm on startup, any ideas where to search? |
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| 20:40.27 | notze | somiaj, i realized now the new structiure :( |
| 20:40.31 | somiaj | styler2go: debian jessie? check systemctl status and then see what service file is launching it. |
| 20:40.45 | somiaj | notze: okay, let us know if you need any other help. |
| 20:41.01 | styler2go | somiaj: there is no service for it |
| 20:41.03 | styler2go | i deleted it |
| 20:41.05 | somiaj | notze: note 'systemctl status name.service' is very useful when debuging a service file, as systemctl is fairly bad about reporting output. |
| 20:41.14 | somiaj | styler2go: what do you mean deleted it? |
| 20:41.23 | styler2go | well, i deleted the /etc/init.d/php5-fpm script |
| 20:41.46 | somiaj | styler2go: you shouldn't be deleting those files. systemctl mask php5-fpm would have stoped it |
| 20:42.09 | somiaj | styler2go: again run systmctl status (it keeps records of what process each unit starts) |
| 20:42.30 | somiaj | styler2go: find the name of the service that is launching php5-fpm |
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| 20:42.56 | styler2go | after doing your mask command it doesnt start on boot anymore |
| 20:43.15 | teraflops | unless it has no service file and you deleted the init script ... |
| 20:43.35 | somiaj | styler2go: it must provide both a .service file and a init script (many packages will do this due to debian being compadable with both). |
| 20:43.50 | somiaj | styler2go: personally I would get that init script file back |
| 20:43.53 | somiaj | !tell styler2go about confmiss |
| 20:44.05 | teraflops | somiaj: several services do not have systemd units |
| 20:44.28 | styler2go | i won't be using aptitude anyway |
| 20:44.32 | somiaj | teraflops: correct |
| 20:44.34 | teraflops | they use a sort of sysv compatibility shit |
| 20:44.41 | styler2go | actually i won't even have internet access on this device |
| 20:44.41 | teraflops | ah |
| 20:44.52 | somiaj | I was saying this package must have both because deleting the init script didn't stop it from loading |
| 20:45.00 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 20:45.31 | somiaj | styler2go: its fine, I'm just saying deleting that config file may have issues later on and to use teh confmiss option to reinstall the config file |
| 20:45.33 | teraflops | somiaj: right I joined the talk later |
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| 20:46.01 | somiaj | styler2go: if you don't think it will be a problem, no need to reisntall that config file. |
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| 20:46.24 | styler2go | i am just trying to replace php5-fpm with php-fpm :/ |
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| 20:47.40 | notze | somiaj, it works ;D |
| 20:47.45 | notze | somiaj, thx for help! |
| 20:47.55 | notze | abrotman, you2 thank you!! |
| 20:49.21 | new2this | somiaj, thanks but what are the default tools that i have to configure the printer? |
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| 20:50.57 | notze | somiaj, but strange thing: a) apache and postgres have no files in the systemd folder and when i enter service postgres restart it even automcompltes the cmd but mine not |
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| 20:51.41 | somiaj | notze: systemd is LSB backwards compadable. So though it prefers unit files it will detect and use LSB initscripts in /etc/init.d |
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| 20:51.53 | somiaj | notze: look at systemctl status (that should tell you a lot about what is running on your system and why) |
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| 20:52.04 | teraflops | well to be fair i deleted with no mercy several sysv init scripts in a couple of debian machines and created a sane systemd units :P |
| 20:52.09 | Pamplem0usse | Hi everyone. |
| 20:52.32 | teraflops | nah it's me it's not a recomendation at all |
| 20:52.48 | somiaj | new2this: cups is the standard print tools in linux (at least the ones I use). If you have a desktop there is a 'printer settings' gui that works with cups (I think). I personally don't use a desktop so in my webbrowser I goto 'localhost:631' and configure my printers via its web interface |
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| 20:53.38 | somiaj | teraflops: systemd has taken me a while to get use to (My biggest annoyance was the lack of output from systemctl until I learnd to always check systemctl status) but I do like how it orginizes things |
| 20:54.12 | new2this | i have MATE but i do not have any printer settings gui |
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| 20:55.16 | new2this | somiaj, i would not mind installing a printer settings gui as long as it is not anathema |
| 20:55.50 | markybob | new2this, mate uses manjaro-printer for settings |
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| 20:56.36 | new2this | marky, apt-cache search manjaro-printer gave me no results |
| 20:56.57 | cra1g321 | because there is no official debian packages for it |
| 20:57.01 | new2this | marky, i use jessie which is debian stable |
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| 20:57.33 | new2this | markybob, i use jessie which is debian stable |
| 20:57.34 | jhutchins | new2this: In a browser, open localhost:631 |
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| 20:57.50 | cra1g321 | ^ that or if you really want a desktop program, there is system-config-printer |
| 20:57.57 | cra1g321 | though im not sure how much of gnome it depends on |
| 20:58.10 | cra1g321 | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/system-config-printer |
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| 20:59.01 | cra1g321 | also some great info https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 20:59.14 | somiaj | new2this: your desktop should have it there, if not just use a webbrowser. Both are gui tools |
| 20:59.39 | somiaj | new2this: I'd just use the webbrowser at this point. |
| 21:00.01 | new2this | jhutchins, somiaj: will try the browser suggestion. thanks |
| 21:00.56 | neosimago | help. please. it's been awhile. Since the last kernel update on Linux Mint with the new Debian kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64 ... the system no longer boots my ext4/XFS/reiserfs system |
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| 21:01.19 | neosimago | I can use the boot-install USB drive and the system boots. |
| 21:01.20 | somiaj | !mint |
| 21:01.20 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 21:01.35 | somiaj | neosimago: If you are running mint plaese use their support channel. |
| 21:01.55 | neosimago | i'm using the mint debian |
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| 21:02.03 | neosimago | no Ubuntu in the sources. |
| 21:02.28 | somiaj | neosimago: it is still not debian, it is mint. Use their support. |
| 21:02.29 | neosimago | a help to point me to install an older usable kernel? |
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| 21:03.21 | neosimago | i'm currently chroot into the brken system with an USB kernel. |
| 21:04.05 | neosimago | there 's like no one in #linuxmint-help |
| 21:04.40 | Stanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.59 | spacebison | neosimago, join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
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| 21:06.12 | somiaj | Stanto: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:06.13 | new2this | people always tells me that "linux" is too difficult to be used as desktop os. if they only knew of the trials and tribulations, ahem, the ordeal, the temptations a freedom devoted GNU/Linux desktop newbie has to face and overcome to avoid incurring in anathema, quite a few people here would agree with them |
| 21:06.19 | somiaj | Stanto: what nvidia legacy driver are you talking about. |
| 21:06.27 | Walex2 | Stanto: driver or device? |
| 21:06.51 | Walex2 | new2this: it is the same with MS-Windows or MacOSX |
| 21:07.17 | new2this | WakiMiko, no it is certainly not the same! |
| 21:07.44 | new2this | Walex2, MS-Windows and MacOSX are both anathema |
| 21:07.53 | Walex2 | new2this: and MS-Windows and MacOSX are often "just unfixable", the standard problem solving is "reinstall". But many GNU/Linux distributions are trying to achieve that level of "sophistication" too |
| 21:08.00 | Stanto | Debian testing, 4.2.0-1-amd64 SMP 4.2.6-3 , nvidia-legacy-304xx |
| 21:08.07 | cra1g321 | ^ take it to offtopic for non-support chat :) |
| 21:09.01 | somiaj | !xorg root |
| 21:09.01 | dpkg | From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards (xorg-server 1.17.3-1), the Xorg server is no longer setuid root, reducing the risk of privilege escalation security problems. This relies on logind and libpam-systemd and moves the logs to ~/.local/share/xorg; use the xserver-xorg-legacy package and see Xwrapper.config(5) if you'd rather a setuid root X. |
| 21:09.24 | new2this | Walex2, MS-Windows and MacOSX are both anathema. I am talking about devotion to freedom and avoiding anathema while using GNU/Linux which is a free as in freedom os |
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| 21:09.46 | somiaj | Stanto: ^^ It might have something to do with that. Since xorg is no longer setuid root you need to ensure your user has permisions to access things. So you need to ensure the 'nvidia' module is loaded and you need to put your user in the video group |
| 21:09.59 | somiaj | Stanto: or you can use the xserver-xorg-legacy package if you want to just use setuid root xorg |
| 21:10.49 | Stanto | Thanks somiaj I'll look into it |
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| 21:16.38 | styler2go | i have a cronjob @reboot, hwo can i make sure it got executed? |
| 21:17.15 | somiaj | styler2go: add some sort of debuging code in the script/command to say write date to some file when it is run |
| 21:17.19 | xand | styler2go: cron jobs are logged in /var/log/syslog |
| 21:17.27 | styler2go | nice, thanks |
| 21:17.34 | new2this | somiaj, http://www.openprinting.org/driver/Postscript-Brother does not mention the MFC-7360N |
| 21:17.35 | somiaj | yea logs work too, I need to know my logs better |
| 21:17.38 | xand | and output is mailed to the user they run as |
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| 21:17.50 | Lionyx | guys look at this epic thing! I'm trying to mount a Floppy =D |
| 21:18.01 | somiaj | new2this: Again try to open .ppd files, if they don't work do more reaserch or find another printer |
| 21:18.39 | Lionyx | when I try mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy . it returns that vfat is not valid. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:18.47 | new2this | somiaj, what do you mean by openning the .ppd files? |
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| 21:19.09 | styler2go | somiaj: writign a file worked, but my php start command did not work... so, i check the syslog? |
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| 21:19.41 | somiaj | new2this: open (as in opensource) .ppd files, the printer definition files |
| 21:19.59 | somiaj | styler2go: or check the php command, can you run it manually? |
| 21:20.08 | styler2go | it does execute the file: CRON[411]: (root) CMD (/root/startup.sh) but it doesnt say what might have gone wrong |
| 21:20.21 | styler2go | somiaj: when i ruin it manually it works :/ |
| 21:20.29 | xand | it's probably a path issue |
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| 21:20.40 | somiaj | styler2go: could be a path issue |
| 21:20.50 | styler2go | i highly doubt it :/ |
| 21:20.55 | somiaj | or a race issue at boot, though I don't hink php would have this unless you are waiting for a database/server to load |
| 21:20.55 | styler2go | php-fpm -c /usr/local/lib/php/php.ini |
| 21:21.03 | somiaj | styler2go: use the full path for php-fpm |
| 21:21.05 | styler2go | thats all in my startup.sh |
| 21:21.07 | styler2go | ok |
| 21:21.27 | styler2go | if this works i am going to cry |
| 21:21.37 | styler2go | worked.. |
| 21:21.47 | somiaj | styler2go: don't expect the PATH enviroment variable to be available to cron |
| 21:21.54 | somiaj | styler2go: as xand said, a path issue |
| 21:21.56 | styler2go | i will remember that... |
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| 21:22.02 | new2this | somiaj, are you trying to say that the free as in freedom .ppd files might support the MFC-7360N for printing even if it is not listed? |
| 21:22.23 | somiaj | new2this: it might, give it a try. Be a hacker and just pick a printer you think is close and try |
| 21:22.32 | abrotman | thinks someone is being trolled .. |
| 21:22.55 | styler2go | yay, it works |
| 21:23.13 | Krass | anyone know of a good imageviewer that also suports .MOV? |
| 21:23.17 | Krass | supports* |
| 21:23.31 | somiaj | Krass: isn't .MOV a video format? |
| 21:23.36 | Krass | yepp |
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| 21:23.46 | somiaj | Krass: so why not use a video player such as mplayer2 or mpv? |
| 21:23.47 | teraflops | Mov is vÃdeo, isn't it |
| 21:23.53 | Krass | so an imageviewer with vid support |
| 21:23.56 | new2this | somiaj, i am not a hacker. i am a desktop newbie who is trying to avoid anathema. according to Him one needs not be a programmer or hacker to avoid anathema |
| 21:24.05 | styler2go | or a videoviewer with image support |
| 21:24.12 | Krass | well i want to open em up in the same program |
| 21:24.13 | styler2go | i think many videoviewer might support images? |
| 21:24.15 | abrotman | new2this: then I guess you don't have a choice .. |
| 21:24.29 | Krass | styler2go you might be on 2 something |
| 21:24.36 | Krass | got any tips? |
| 21:24.39 | new2this | abrotman, sorry i do not underatand what you mean |
| 21:24.42 | somiaj | new2this: I was just joking about hacker. I'm saying just try things, You have been explained one possible way to try to get this hardware to work. Try it. |
| 21:24.58 | abrotman | new2this: Either install the non-free files, or don't use the printer .. Stop being difficult |
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| 21:25.36 | somiaj | new2this: if you want to avoid non-free software, you sometimes have to be very picky about the hardware you are using. There is nothing we can do to make non-free hardware work. But as that package poitned out, you may be able to get it to work using generic postscript .ppd files (and not the priorpority ones). So try it. |
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| 21:27.07 | burrito1 | how do i make a debian usb |
| 21:27.24 | Matt_von_Mises | I don't have vsftpd installed on my system, but the system contains /etc/init.d/vsftpd. Could there be a reason for that? |
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| 21:27.45 | dvs | burrito1: Depends what OS you have now |
| 21:27.46 | new2this | abrotman, somiaj's advice about trying to find a free as in freedom solution with experimentation that does not involve anathema is the way for me. thanks |
| 21:27.48 | abrotman | Matt_von_Mises: do you have vsftpd-common ? |
| 21:27.50 | burrito1 | nvm got my answer |
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| 21:28.01 | abrotman | new2this: okay, go read. No need to keep whining here |
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| 21:28.53 | doug__ | Does Debian have a package for each kernel version? Or rather, does its linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 package just "get an update" with the same package name? |
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| 21:29.12 | Matt_von_Mises | @abrotman: N: Unable to locate package vsftpd-common |
| 21:29.12 | doug__ | In the second case, how do you revert a kernel update, if possible at all? |
| 21:29.28 | somiaj | Matt_von_Mises: could you have had it installed and then removed it but left the configuration files around. What is the output of 'dpkg -l vsftpd' |
| 21:29.30 | dvs | doug__: The version number is the kernel version its based on. |
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| 21:29.46 | vandox | doug__: you can select yohr kernel at boot |
| 21:29.58 | new2this | abrotman, i am not whining. i am just making my points which do not involve anathema |
| 21:30.21 | somiaj | doug__: debian has a package for each major version but not subversion, so all the 3.16.X kernels will use the same package. If you don't have the package in /var/cache/apt/archives from a previous download you can find old packages at snapshot.debian.org |
| 21:31.20 | doug__ | ok, thank you |
| 21:31.22 | Matt_von_Mises | @somiaj: http://pastebin.com/raw/Qi2M2Lpj |
| 21:31.24 | abrotman | new2this: you are |
| 21:31.47 | somiaj | Matt_von_Mises: see the first two letters 'rc' that says the package is removed but the config files remain |
| 21:31.54 | somiaj | Matt_von_Mises: dpkg --purge vsftpd will remove all the config files |
| 21:32.13 | somiaj | Matt_von_Mises: debian doesn't delete config files by default (just incase you need them as backups) |
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| 21:32.48 | Matt_von_Mises | somiaj: OK thanks a lot. |
| 21:33.00 | new2this | abrotman, yes i am making my points which do not involve anathema. thanks for acknowledging it in the end. |
| 21:33.21 | abrotman | new2this: I did no such thing other than point out your unending whining |
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| 21:34.34 | Lionyx | Strange... when I try to mount a floppy with msdos or vfat or umsdos, it gives me an error that "msdos is not a know system type" |
| 21:35.00 | somiaj | Lionyx: vfat should work, though floppys could have other file systems on them. |
| 21:35.45 | Lionyx | somiaj: I'm sure these are vfat. Damn error. I used one of them last month. |
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| 21:36.43 | new2this | abrotman, i am not whinning. quite the contrary, i am praising and complimenting somiaj for his advice. |
| 21:37.15 | somiaj | Lionyx: so 'mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /dest' gives you an error that the type vfat doesn't exist? Did you check demsg after running that command for more info? |
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| 21:37.34 | xand | what's anathema? |
| 21:37.40 | somiaj | xand: non-free |
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| 21:38.50 | abrotman | new2this: you are |
| 21:39.43 | abrotman | new2this: good luck with your printer, have a nice day |
| 21:39.43 | xand | somiaj: is that some debian-specific term? |
| 21:39.44 | Lionyx | somiaj: Yes you're right. dmesg says: unknow symbol __bread_gfp (err 0) and __getblk_gfp (err 0) |
| 21:39.57 | abrotman | xand: no, it's apparently an RMS term .. so, you'll want to avoid it |
| 21:40.05 | xand | mmkay |
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| 21:40.39 | xand | I do eat my dead skin though |
| 21:40.47 | abrotman | probably better for you |
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| 21:41.16 | somiaj | Lionyx: can't help you any more, but now you have somethign to google. |
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| 21:43.08 | new2this | abrotman, thanks for your best wishes. Hope you are delivered from temptation too. have a nice day too. |
| 21:43.32 | Lionyx | somiaj: doing it! =D I'm guessing if there's something about this system being a 64b cpu. |
| 21:43.46 | teraflops | shrugs |
| 21:44.07 | abrotman | someone stopped taking their meds .. |
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| 21:44.21 | dvs | sorry...\ |
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| 21:45.50 | notze | somiaj, in the init.d script, we used to have a update "service myservice update" command. to pass some extra arguments i cannot see here how to do this via new systemd |
| 21:46.12 | notze | somiaj, can i add a states like update to start stop command list? |
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| 21:47.08 | somiaj | notze: if using systemd you should still use systmctl to start/stop services that use lsb init scripts and let systemd run the script |
| 21:47.27 | somiaj | notze: oh I see, sorry missunderstood you r question. |
| 21:47.44 | somiaj | notze: I don't know systemd that well, still learning. I did run across scripts that use varaibles |
| 21:47.51 | notze | somiaj, so can i use the old lsb script and call it with update |
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| 21:47.56 | janemba | hi |
| 21:48.06 | notze | somiaj, okay i will try:D |
| 21:48.14 | somiaj | notze: check out this unit file, cat /lib/systemd/system/getty\@.service |
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| 21:48.47 | somiaj | notze: you will notice this script uses a vairable, and if you do systemctl start getty\@tty2.service (it will use the variable tty2 in its education and naming) |
| 21:49.05 | notze | ahh great |
| 21:49.09 | notze | somiaj, thx man |
| 21:49.17 | somiaj | notze: I'm just using this as an example of a service file I ran across renctly, (showing you, you can do some variables in a service name if that is what you were wanting) |
| 21:49.33 | somiaj | I'm also unsure if the @ is a required character for this to work. |
| 21:49.40 | somiaj | notze: was that what you were looking for? |
| 21:49.59 | janemba | quilt is used in a script I used but when it's executed the whole script exit. So I add --trace to quilt and exit and run_exit_handlers is called. How can I prevent quilt to not exit the whole script ? |
| 21:50.04 | notze | somiaj, yes i can build it with this:D |
| 21:50.34 | zophy | how fast of a computer ( in peta-flops ) would it take to defeat AES encryption in a days time ? |
| 21:50.58 | neosimago | want to suggest a kernel different from this one? 3.16.0-4-amd64 ... for better stablility. |
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| 21:51.26 | neosimago | Please asking stable systems : suggest a kernel different from this one? 3.16.0-4-amd64 ... for better stablility. |
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| 21:52.32 | doug__ | Context: neosimago cannot boot since last kernel update (discussion in other chat) |
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| 21:53.28 | neosimago | doug__: thanks |
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| 21:54.27 | zophy | It would take 1038 Tianhe-2 Supercomputers running for the entirety of the existence of everything to exhaust half of the keyspace of a AES-256 key. |
| 21:54.56 | dvs | ...then we get quantum computes. |
| 21:55.07 | zophy | i think we need quantum computers for encryption real soon |
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| 21:56.29 | participant | does anyone have a functional jack setup |
| 21:56.34 | koollman | zophy: assuming exponentional computational power increase, how long do we have to wait before serious attacks (or universe meltdown energy requirements ;) ) |
| 21:56.40 | notpacman | hello can anyone help with this problem: my laptop's screen shuts itself down when I connect it to my TV with HDMI |
| 21:56.56 | neosimago | Please asking stable systems : suggest a kernel different from this one? 3.16.0-4-amd64 ... for better stablility. |
| 21:56.57 | zophy | but the thing is... the "just by chance factor" of hitting a valid key is scary if there were nuclear bomb activation codes involved |
| 21:57.43 | somiaj | notze: there is also #systemd if you want to try to learn more about how variables and conditionals work with it |
| 21:57.56 | notze | okay thx:D |
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| 21:58.16 | Lionyx | somiaj: you will not believe. apt update, upgrade, had run before... just rebooted and the damn thing works :) |
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| 21:59.19 | somiaj | Lionyx: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:59.45 | somiaj | Lionyx: there was a recent linux security update, maybe there was a inconsistancy between the kernel running and the module requested |
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| 22:01.43 | Lionyx | somiaj: man I'll have to type it all. It's on my "server" machine... its 3.16.0-4-amd64. SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1 |
| 22:02.23 | somiaj | !tell Lionyx about pastebinit |
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| 22:03.07 | somiaj | Lionyx: I was just looking for 'jessie'. Anyways it does seem odd to me that this occured on a stable kernel (so I could be wrong in my guess). But it works now so it should be fine. |
| 22:03.17 | somiaj | that factoid was to give you a tool to paste from your server |
| 22:03.31 | Lionyx | somiaj: yep. good idea, but the freakin thing is slowww... i'm on a VNC session managing some torrents. |
| 22:04.30 | Lionyx | So guys. Now I wanna backup My old floppys... which is better? dd, tar, tar.gz, another? I want something to last even if some bits get corrupted. |
| 22:05.02 | somiaj | Lionyx: I just back up the files with cp/rsync |
| 22:05.21 | somiaj | Lionyx: unless there is a strong reason y ou need an actual .img of the floppy |
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| 22:08.16 | Sia- | i can access my box with telnet port 26, but with ssh access denied? |
| 22:08.47 | Lionyx | somiaj: no reason! I had a lot of trouble with a NTFS samsung 1TB Driver being limited to my huge file paths... and used tar.gz to backup my /home. The dumbie creature here found out that you cannot recover ONE file or navigate trough compressed as easily as if it was just tared. I'm thinking about formatting with ext4 and do another backup without packing stuff. Just CP. |
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| 22:10.13 | Lionyx | anyway, just checking if this is a good idea with you guys first :) |
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| 22:11.21 | abrotman | Sia-: ssh is port 22 typically |
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| 22:12.11 | Sia- | abrotman yes, but with ssh access denieded. just with telnet root without password working fine |
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| 22:13.04 | Lionyx | Sia-: dumb guy talking here, but... you installed the ssh-server ? :) |
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| 22:13.21 | notpacman | hello can anyone help with this problem: my laptop's screen shuts itself down when I connect it to my TV with HDMI ?? |
| 22:13.53 | Sia- | Lionyx yes, was working fine, but since yeasterday can't access the box anymore |
| 22:14.27 | the_sniff | hey, i have a bug that's documented in Ubuntu bug report, and fixed in Debian Jessie, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/1356113 |
| 22:14.43 | the_sniff | Anyone had this? How can i fix it without upgrading the live production server? |
| 22:14.54 | the_sniff | im currently running a delete script at 1am |
| 22:14.57 | neosimago | asking for help adding sources from http://snapshot.debian.org/ ... what does an source line look like? deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:14.59 | the_sniff | to clean up the mess it left behind |
| 22:15.11 | neosimago | that doesn't seem to work. |
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| 22:15.27 | Sia- | take a look in the sys log http://pastie.org/pastes/10644160/text |
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| 22:18.12 | davidvj | A fresh install of Debian and there appears no access to a list of available wifi connections ..... am I missing something? |
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| 22:18.41 | mrhanky | is it possible to install everything except the base system to /usr/local ? |
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| 22:19.07 | teraflops | davidvj: yes |
| 22:19.14 | Lionyx | davidvj: is the wifi driver installed? mine wasn't by default, had to install those latter. |
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| 22:21.35 | davidvj | Lionyx, Thanks ... how do I get to install it without wifi to start? |
| 22:22.35 | Lionyx | davidvj: I used an ethernet cable direct to my router. You can also use DVDs and not the net install iso. |
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| 22:23.51 | davidvj | Lionyx, I guess I will need to do a basic install with a cable .... bit odd!! |
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| 22:25.04 | Lionyx | davidvj: that's because my wireless radio is third party (Debian puts it on other repo) :( I do not know if there's something you can do so early in install. |
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| 22:26.17 | abrotman | mrhanky: not with standard packages |
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| 22:27.15 | somiaj | davidvj: the netinstall cd works just fine if you want a minimial install (it contains a base system and you can skip the network part). There is also a netinstall image with non-free firmware if that is all you are missing from using wifi |
| 22:27.54 | somiaj | davidvj: if you have debian installed already, just let us know what wifi card you have and we can point you to the firmware (most likely issue) |
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| 22:29.02 | Lionyx | somiaj: guess i missed this image! wish i came here earlier! |
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| 22:29.59 | davidvj | somiaj, Thanks .... I was trying to install just using a local open wifi but there is no way to even locate the available sources. |
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| 22:31.31 | mrhanky | abrotman: :( |
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| 22:32.56 | somiaj | !tell davidvj about firmware images |
| 22:33.16 | somiaj | davidvj: that is if you want to just use the firmware images during the install (they include most common non-free firmware for wifi cards) |
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| 22:39.59 | davidvj | somiaj, Thanks ... that was useful |
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| 22:43.28 | BarnacleBob | hello. i'm trying to build a new deb package for a piece of software that just includes a few binary files in the tar.gz but can't figure out why my debian/install isn't moving them into the root. anyone able to help with this or know where i can go for help? |
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| 23:00.08 | zykotick9 | BarnacleBob: fyi, if you're not actually using Debian - then the advice you got to ask here is incorrect... just sayin' |
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| 23:16.50 | jhutchins | !build |
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| 23:17.34 | julius | hi |
| 23:17.50 | jhutchins | !build package |
| 23:17.51 | dpkg | well, build package is 'dpkg-buildpackage' or 'apt-get -b source <pkg>' |
| 23:17.56 | julius | is the "cant mount vfat partitions" solved yet? |
| 23:18.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jhutchins about bottell |
| 23:18.06 | jhutchins | Sigh. Pretty sure there's a basic guide somewhere. |
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| 23:18.22 | magyar | hi, how long does it take to copy 2TB from one md device to another on SATA bus? |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | probably needs a clue too |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | magyar: too many variables, we can't answer that |
| 23:18.36 | jhutchins | julius: In what? vfat mounts have mostly worked for the last ten years or so. |
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| 23:18.54 | magyar | I've been copying 2TB for now 4 hours |
| 23:19.08 | magyar | is there something wrong with my desktop system? |
| 23:19.09 | abrotman | magyar: okay, so maybe it's going to be a bit longer .. next time use something with a progress meter |
| 23:19.33 | magyar | abrotman: I did cp -ar /home /mnt |
| 23:19.46 | abrotman | and? |
| 23:19.46 | magyar | five hours now |
| 23:19.48 | abrotman | so what? |
| 23:19.54 | magyar | is that normal? |
| 23:20.02 | abrotman | Already said, too many variables |
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| 23:20.26 | magyar | hmm, like, it's an asus mb with 24GB ram |
| 23:20.34 | abrotman | magyar: it'll take seven hours |
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| 23:20.57 | magyar | right |
| 23:21.32 | magyar | is that normal? the fs is 4GB. How can I make the IO to perform better? |
| 23:21.39 | abrotman | magyar: totally normal |
| 23:21.47 | magyar | sorry the FS is ext |
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| 23:21.50 | magyar | ext4 |
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| 23:33.10 | awal1 | Is oftc down? |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | no |
| 23:33.41 | magyar | where do I set "HISTSIZE" system wide? |
| 23:34.13 | awal1 | trying to connect to oftc then #debian but I get "self signed certificate in certificate chain.? (19)" |
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| 23:34.33 | abrotman | magyar: where else do you set other variables system wide? |
| 23:34.44 | awal1 | "connexion failed: self signed certificate in certificate chain.? (19)" |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | awal1: so, try without SASL, then ask #oftc |
| 23:34.47 | magyar | abrotman: /etc/profile? |
| 23:34.52 | abrotman | magyar: try it and see |
| 23:35.18 | magyar | k |
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| 23:42.23 | innominate | msg dpkg jessie |
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| 23:53.14 | Stanto | somiaj: resolved my problem. thanks. |
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| 23:54.40 | new2this | where can i get the most recent version of TVenLinux.sh ? |
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