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| 00:17.20 | mdim | hi folks |
| 00:18.02 | mdim | out of blue I can't do 'sudo apt-get update' any more. Here's my /etc/apt/sources.list (nothing in sources.list.d) and the output of 'sudo apt-get update': https://paste.debian.net/352606/ |
| 00:18.09 | mdim | any clue what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 00:19.30 | mdim | however, I can open http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/ in a web browser on that machine |
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| 00:28.36 | abrotman | mdim: looking, moment |
| 00:28.54 | kevlarman | are there any drivers that support nvidia 9xx graphics cards packaged? the blob is too old and nouveau refuses to start as well |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | mdim: change ftp.us.debian.org to httpdir.debian.org |
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| 00:29.51 | dvs | httpredir |
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| 00:32.34 | mdim | abrotman: dvs: that didn't help as I get the same kind of error message |
| 00:36.54 | dvs | mdim: What does your sources.list file says now? |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | mdim: going out through a proxy? |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | dvs: right .. |
| 00:38.02 | mdim | abrotman: I don't think so |
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| 00:38.20 | mdim | dvs: it says everything the same as before except for s/ftp.us/httpredir/g |
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| 00:39.13 | mdim | abrotman: I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it's my router as usual |
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| 00:39.36 | mdim | though I did try to set up squid not that long ago, though unsuccessfully |
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| 00:39.43 | dvs | mdim: even after apt-get update? |
| 00:40.45 | mdim | yes |
| 00:41.28 | abrotman | mdim: tried a wget? |
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| 00:54.54 | Lionyx | I'm going to dedicate an external usb disk to backup. Is it a god idea to do ext4 without journaling and 0% reserved? |
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| 01:03.10 | kevlarman | Lionyx: considering how easy it is to unplug an external drive, lack of journaling is probably a bad idea |
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| 01:11.17 | Lionyx | yeah... tks |
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| 01:37.59 | noyfb | Hi ive been using linux mint for about a year. I noticed on the release notes of LMDE it says it will be a slightly more risky because the there is no opt-in/out choice to upgrade when the latest point release comes out, it's automatically applied. Before I saw that I was under the impression that Debian was one of the most stable distros. Is LMDE different to the other debian os's? |
| 01:38.21 | noyfb | damn it, where the front of the message go |
| 01:38.46 | noyfb | ive been using linux mint for a year about and have been looking at LMDE2 |
| 01:38.50 | somiaj | !mint |
| 01:38.51 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 01:39.11 | somiaj | noyfb: mint is not debian, what they choose to modify or change is not up to debian or is supported by debian. |
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| 01:39.56 | somiaj | noyfb: debian stable release last about 2-3 years. If you use 'stable' in your sources.list you will be upgraded automatically which is not suggested. If you use the codename 'jessie', it will only upgrade to the newer version when you take the time to do the upgrade (prefered) |
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| 01:40.30 | somiaj | noyfb: debian supports a stable release for about 1 year after the release of the next stable (to give time to deal with any upgrades). Though for x86 arch and server software only, there is a lts team that supports the releases even longer |
| 01:40.38 | somiaj | noyfb: this of course is what debian does. Not what mint will do |
| 01:41.53 | noyfb | so is jessie the only debian os |
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| 01:42.11 | noyfb | not including the arch |
| 01:42.43 | somiaj | noyfb: jessie is the current stable release. Wheezy is the oldstable release (which will be supported for another 6 months or os) |
| 01:43.02 | somiaj | noyfb: squeeze is oldoldstable which will be supported by squeeze-lts until early 2016 |
| 01:43.10 | noyfb | ok |
| 01:43.14 | somiaj | (not lts is very limited support) |
| 01:43.29 | noyfb | so is it a steep learning curve from mint? |
| 01:43.31 | somiaj | noyfb: stretch is the current testing and will become the next stable in the next 1-2 years |
| 01:44.20 | somiaj | noyfb: mint is their own distribution. They may be based on debian stable and use most of the same software, but they also have their own modifictaions (including policy, support, what packages to include/exclude, how to deal with non-free) that is different from debian. |
| 01:44.27 | somiaj | noyfb: if you run mint, you should use their support |
| 01:44.47 | noyfb | i dont want to use mint anymore |
| 01:45.51 | somiaj | compared to LMDE, I think the major difference you'll see is default configs (you may ahve to do more work to get the desktop looking/working like you want) and that non-free won't be included by default (you'll have to actually enable this) |
| 01:47.28 | Pamplem0usse | noyfb: Jessie is also using systemd. LMDE is not if I remember correctly. |
| 01:48.00 | noyfb | that is the package system? |
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| 01:48.46 | somiaj | no that is the init system. |
| 01:48.50 | Pamplem0usse | noyfb: It's the init system. |
| 01:49.36 | somiaj | Pamplem0usse: it might depend on which mint edition being used. I think the LMDE will probabaly go with systemd but the ubuntu one may be using upstart |
| 01:50.44 | somiaj | ahh looks like they have made sysvinit the default in jessie, but plan to swtich in the future |
| 01:50.47 | Pamplem0usse | somiaj: I think the current stable release uses SysV init |
| 01:52.59 | Pamplem0usse | I wonder what their reason was for keeping the old init. It doesn't seem like a very good place to break compatibility with upstream for their project. |
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| 01:53.48 | somiaj | Pamplem0usse: you can ask mint, though a blog I found was more being conserivative and waiting for systemd to improve more. |
| 01:54.09 | somiaj | Pamplem0usse: also it wouldn't be that hard to modify jessie to install sysvinit instead of systemd since it is already setup to support both |
| 01:57.55 | Pamplem0usse | somiaj: True. It just seems like an odd place to be conservative. Most of their users probably wouldn't even notice the difference. |
| 01:58.20 | somiaj | hence why mint is not debian |
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| 02:10.40 | noyfb | i have a integrated intel chipset, so to be able to control the brightness on my screen i have to run a fix in every distro ive tried. They've all been based on ubuntu so fixes for things like that have been roughly the same. Are these kinds of things able to be done in debian stable? |
| 02:11.59 | mynis | that's a really vague question |
| 02:12.20 | mynis | i'm sure there are workarounds for issues with intel chipsets that people encounter in debian |
| 02:12.28 | mynis | you're just asking if workarounds in general exist in debian? |
| 02:12.31 | noyfb | yes i know |
| 02:12.43 | mynis | if so the answer is yes |
| 02:12.45 | noyfb | what im getting at is is there help for these things |
| 02:13.09 | mynis | http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 02:13.12 | noyfb | im struggling to find the kind of resources that i could find for mint |
| 02:13.16 | noyfb | or ubuntu |
| 02:13.30 | mynis | https://www.debian.org/support |
| 02:13.46 | mynis | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianResources |
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| 02:14.10 | noyfb | ok thanks for that |
| 02:15.06 | mynis | really stuff like that is generally handled by the kernel, so if you have issues with an intel chipset in debian, you may want to just try using a newer kernel from backports |
| 02:15.24 | mynis | https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 02:15.52 | mynis | but that's not really the type of issue that would generally be specific to a given distro |
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| 02:16.06 | abrotman | noyfb: why not just try it? |
| 02:16.06 | noyfb | i thought backports were not a good idea? |
| 02:16.20 | mynis | in what regard? |
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| 02:16.24 | noyfb | im going to, i just wanted some opinion |
| 02:16.28 | noyfb | security |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | well, you've not given us real informatoin |
| 02:16.45 | mynis | if you want a feature that is part of a newer kernel, then the best and safest way to get that is from backports |
| 02:16.56 | mynis | unless you want to compile your own kernel or use a third party source |
| 02:17.26 | noyfb | abrotman ive found it helpfu |
| 02:17.27 | noyfb | l |
| 02:17.33 | mynis | as far as security concerns with backports, that's a new one on me. i would think sticking with the stable branch and using a backported kernel would be more secure than mixing branches together |
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| 02:20.22 | noyfb | ok thanks for the links mynis, and thanks for the information somiaj/Pamplem0usse. |
| 02:20.32 | mynis | no problem |
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| 02:21.18 | somiaj | mynis: correct, security doesn't provide fixes for backports, that is up to the matainer to do. |
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| 02:21.46 | somiaj | though kernels are the one thing that get regurally backported so any fixes should hit backports once they hit testing |
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| 02:23.14 | mynis | ah so the backported kernels are taken from the testing/unstable branches? |
| 02:23.23 | mynis | or is that just up to the maintainer? |
| 02:23.34 | simonlnu | yes from the repos |
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| 02:24.41 | somiaj | mynis: jessie-backports come from testing and are provided at the whim of the matianer. The kernels seem to get backported farily quickly after they make it into testing. |
| 02:24.43 | mynis | so they just download the package as source from the repo and then compile it against stable libraries, that's cool. i always just assumed they were getting the source from kernel.org or somewhere. that makes more sense though |
| 02:25.03 | somiaj | basically, they may also have to backport supporting libaries |
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| 02:26.19 | mancomunado | How do I start the system and then execute several "sudos" after booting? |
| 02:26.37 | mancomunado | automatically I mean |
| 02:26.51 | somiaj | mancomunado: You probabaly don't want to go that route. You probabaly just want to configure your system to do thigns as root when it boots. |
| 02:27.00 | somiaj | mancomunado: what things are you wanting to do? |
| 02:27.31 | mancomunado | somiaj, something wrecked my debian system and now I have to start several services and also mount a partition only through terminal |
| 02:27.50 | somiaj | I would track down why things aren't running at astart |
| 02:27.54 | mancomunado | I have a list of that commands that I copy and paste on the terminal after booting, but I want to do that automatically |
| 02:27.55 | somiaj | for mounts look at /etc/fstab |
| 02:28.03 | somiaj | for services, use systemd or systemctl to configure them. |
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| 02:28.11 | mancomunado | somiaj, yes. fstab isn't correctly booting I think |
| 02:28.51 | mancomunado | So I sudo mount /dev/sda2 '/media"... to let the links to the folder intact |
| 02:29.12 | mancomunado | about the services, they aren't all neeeded except for network-manager |
| 02:29.14 | noyfb | so the security support for backports is up to the uploader of the package? |
| 02:29.20 | somiaj | mancomunado: do you have the uuid of this mount enabled in fstab? |
| 02:29.35 | mancomunado | have no idea, somiaj |
| 02:29.37 | somiaj | noyfb: correct, security wont' provided a fix to the package. |
| 02:29.43 | somiaj | mancomunado: well check the file, (: |
| 02:29.52 | mancomunado | I don't know how I could do that |
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| 02:30.15 | noyfb | it says it supported by something called the security tracker |
| 02:31.23 | somiaj | noyfb: you can use the secuirty tracker to see wither or not a package is vulnable to a given exploit. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
| 02:33.14 | somiaj | hmm, though I'm not seeing the jessie-backport versions lsited there |
| 02:33.16 | noyfb | so as long as you check that list its pretty safe |
| 02:34.10 | somiaj | noyfb: just run stable + security and you are safe as you can be in debian. |
| 02:34.35 | somiaj | noyfb: if you run many packages from jessie-backports you should maybe subscribe to the DSA and notice when packages you use haev security problems |
| 02:34.40 | mynis | mancomunado: would you mind posting your fstab somewhere and linking it to us? |
| 02:34.47 | mancomunado | http://pastebin.com/arSS5TSV |
| 02:34.49 | mancomunado | mynis |
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| 02:35.11 | mancomunado | windows partition is /dev/sda2 |
| 02:35.29 | noyfb | dsa? |
| 02:35.37 | somiaj | mancomunado: I don't see any entry for /dev/sda2 in fstab and I notice you want to mount it at media, but lots of othger things like /dev/cdrom and usb automounters want to mount thigns in /media, I would probabaly use another mount point |
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| 02:36.02 | mancomunado | somiaj, it's already mounted and ok |
| 02:36.15 | somiaj | mancomunado: but you could either put an entry for /dev/sda2 (or preferable use the UUID of the filesystem) and define a mount point in the fstab file and it will automatically be mounted at boot |
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| 02:36.35 | somiaj | mancomunado: you can search for more info on fstab easy enough for the syntax to get that thing mounted at boot (hence no need for a special script to do this) |
| 02:36.49 | mynis | just because it's working for now doesn't mean that's a good practice. i would make a folder with a name of your choosing inside either mnt or media |
| 02:37.11 | somiaj | noyfb: debian security annoucement. It is a mailing list which sends out an annoucment every time a security vulnability is fixed in debian (it doesn't send them out when they are found though) |
| 02:37.11 | mynis | and then tell fstab to mount to that folder |
| 02:37.39 | mynis | https://wiki.debian.org/fstab |
| 02:38.17 | somiaj | mynis: and note I would mount it as say /media/windows (not just /media) because that can mess with automounters and other tools that want to put thigns in /media |
| 02:38.22 | mancomunado | What about the services which doesn't load automatically on the wrecked system? specially network-manager and lightdm which I have to manually ctrl+alt+f1 after decryptying, logging in, startiong the service for only then type the user on the interface |
| 02:38.57 | somiaj | mancomunado: for network manager use 'systemctl status network-manager' and that will tell you what is going on with it |
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| 02:39.11 | awal1 | How to manage the Fn key ? |
| 02:39.19 | somiaj | awal1: what do you mean by that? |
| 02:39.41 | mancomunado | somiaj, :~$ sudo systemctl status network-manager Failed to get properties: No such interface '' |
| 02:39.53 | somiaj | awal1: you want to identify it to use in a keybinding, or configure it to do things when using the various function keys on the machine. |
| 02:40.00 | kevlarman | mancomunado: do you have /home on a separate partition? i would be tempted to reinstall if i had issues like that |
| 02:40.06 | awal1 | somiaj: I'm into minimums so I use openbox wm and Fn key doesn't do nothing here. I want to make it util |
| 02:40.22 | somiaj | awal1: do you know how to configure keybindings in openbox? |
| 02:40.27 | awal1 | somiaj: yes |
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| 02:40.44 | somiaj | awal1: run the command 'xev' from a terminal. focus the window it creats, hit the fn+key you are intersted in |
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| 02:41.41 | somiaj | awal1: inside the output you will see the name of the key being hit. Usually something like XF86RaiseVolume |
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| 02:42.07 | mynis | i think he wants to set the fn key its self to a specific function, unless i read that wrong |
| 02:42.16 | somiaj | awal1: use that key name then bind what ever script/funciton to the key you want witha keybinding |
| 02:42.18 | mynis | not sure if that's possible |
| 02:42.25 | mancomunado | kevlarman, no. |
| 02:42.32 | kevlarman | mynis: it usually isn't |
| 02:42.54 | somiaj | yea if it was for the fn key, I think that sends no events, only in combination is an event sent |
| 02:42.55 | awal1 | somiaj: yeah, I tried using xev several times yet for identify the Fn key then use it for keyboard shortcuts but nothing happens in wev when pressing that Fn key |
| 02:43.09 | awal1 | in xev ^ |
| 02:43.14 | somiaj | awal1: the fn key by itself may not have any event being triggered |
| 02:43.26 | somiaj | awal1: only in combination with the other keys iwll it trigger an event |
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| 02:44.22 | kevlarman | mancomunado: fixing the issues you've mentioned doesn't sound too difficult, but depending on what you did to break it, it's likely you'll be finding new broken things for months |
| 02:44.25 | somiaj | (and usually only in combination with very specific keys) |
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| 02:45.04 | mancomunado | I would reinstall debian if the graphic install wasn't so fucking difficult for luks encryption |
| 02:45.20 | somiaj | mancomunado: read thought the logs to figure out why it can't find the interface. |
| 02:45.43 | mancomunado | Apparently it's a systemd issue |
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| 02:45.54 | mancomunado | 228-2 |
| 02:46.49 | somiaj | mancomunado: well it is an init issue, so use the init tools avaialbe, which in this case is sytemd. |
| 02:47.00 | somiaj | i.e. things not booting at start. |
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| 02:49.38 | neosimago | my kernel is stopping at dmesg>> random: nonblocking pool is initialized |
| 02:50.18 | awal1 | somiaj: right fn key by itself have not triggered event, combined F6, 9, 10... it's triggered but keycode changes depending in which Fnumber I press. hmmm so lost here :P |
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| 02:51.37 | somiaj | awal1: each of those keys is a different event. So if you want to bind a key to fn+f6, note what event gets trigger by pressing that |
| 02:51.50 | neosimago | can't seem to find out why. using the generic 3.16.0-4-amd64 kernel ... boot halts at dmesg>> random: nonblocking pool is initialized |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | neosimago: how old is the computer? |
| 02:52.20 | somiaj | awal1: usually the event corresponds to the symbol on the key (basically the keyboard requires both keys to be pressed then sends the event which is differnt than the traditional keys like alt, ctrl as they send events by themselves and can be used as modifers) |
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| 02:53.16 | neosimago | abrotman: intel 8 core E5345 @ 2.33GHz |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | That's your cpu, not the age of your system |
| 02:54.05 | neosimago | abrotman: maybe 2008? |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | a) look for a bios update b) try the backports kernel |
| 02:55.15 | awal1 | somiaj: ok, yeah I knew that. but seems that fn key isn't triggered at all. I press F7 and the key code is 74 then I press Fn + F7 keycode still 74 :D |
| 02:55.37 | neosimago | abrotman: suggest a kernel for me please? |
| 02:55.37 | somiaj | awal1: it only works for certain combinations |
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| 02:55.54 | somiaj | awal1: and this is at the hardware level so it can't be configured what combaintions it works for |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | neosimago: I did .. |
| 02:56.09 | dvs | b) |
| 02:56.49 | neosimago | how about a sources list for apt so i can use apt to choose an install kernel? |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | neosimago: so your system does boot eventually? |
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| 02:57.23 | neosimago | abrotman: nope. no boot. halts with that message. |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | how do you propose to change/update the sources.list ? |
| 02:57.50 | neosimago | i'm thinking it's with /init.d/urandom |
| 02:58.03 | kevlarman | somiaj: i've actually seen a few keyboards where it is configurable, but they're generally made by crazy people :P |
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| 02:58.17 | abrotman | how long did oyu wait for it to boot? |
| 02:58.45 | neosimago | abotman: ... more than a 15 minutes. |
| 02:59.02 | kevlarman | neosimago: does it boot faster if you send the machine network traffic? |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | I'm a bot! |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell neosimago about backports kernel |
| 02:59.20 | neosimago | please |
| 02:59.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell neosimago about bpo kernel |
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| 03:04.20 | awal1 | somiaj: right Fn key only works with combination with a few Fnumber keys (f1, 2, 3, 9, 10, 11, 12) . Fn + F3 ---» keycode 133 . I'll check how to use it with openbox . thanks |
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| 03:05.43 | kevlarman | awal1: as far as anything past the usb port of the keyboard is concerned, the fn key combinations are unique buttons and the fn key itself doesn't exist |
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| 03:06.47 | awal1 | usually I only use alt, ctrl super and shift under openbox , now I have to investigate what I should do |
| 03:06.47 | awal1 | somiaj: ok, got you. thanks |
| 03:07.06 | somiaj | awal1: just use the key name you get in your bindings. So just like you wanted to bind the key 'A' (with no shit/alt/ctrl) or 'F6' with not modifiers |
| 03:07.32 | somiaj | but use the name you get from xev instead of 'A' or 'F6' for the key name, other wise it is the same as any other key (rember these are unique key events, not different modifiers) |
| 03:07.56 | awal1 | somiaj: ok. :) |
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| 03:13.58 | Hoolio | i am using "jessie main non-free" and "jessie-updates main contrib non-free" |
| 03:14.11 | Hoolio | but i can't find dig. which repo would i need for that? |
| 03:15.00 | kevlarman | Hoolio: dnsutils |
| 03:15.06 | Hoolio | ta kevlarman |
| 03:15.33 | kevlarman | Hoolio: and apt-file to be able to find the answer yourself later on |
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| 03:16.36 | blind | apt-file is great stuff. |
| 03:16.40 | neosimago | why should i use a 4.2 backport kernel instead of a 3.xx kernel? |
| 03:16.54 | Hoolio | thx again kevlarman, perfect answer |
| 03:17.27 | neosimago | abrotman: why shoudl i use a 4.2 backport kernel instead of a 3.xx kernel? |
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| 03:22.07 | Hoolio | so apt-file gives me a massive list of files matching a search string |
| 03:22.16 | Hoolio | $ sudo apt-file list dig | wc -l |
| 03:22.17 | Hoolio | 2114 |
| 03:22.28 | Hoolio | how would that have told me to install dnsutils? |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | that'sl ist, not search .. |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | try apt-file search bin/dig |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | and you don't need sudo .. some distros teach bad habits |
| 03:22.52 | dvs | Hoolio: http://www.debian.org/packages |
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| 03:23.40 | kevlarman | Hoolio: yeah it works not quite as you would expect if you've never used it before |
| 03:23.55 | Hoolio | (the sudo exists there because i reused a 'sudo apt-get install ..' from bash via up arrow) |
| 03:24.05 | kevlarman | i actually don't remember how though |
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| 03:25.28 | kevlarman | every time i forget about it i end up having to read the manual a couple times before i figure out how to get it to do what i want |
| 03:27.02 | Hoolio | $ apt-cache search dig | grep -i dns |
| 03:27.14 | Hoolio | is probably closer, that's only 6 lines of output |
| 03:27.39 | abrotman | Hoolio: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 03:28.00 | Hoolio | lols :) i didn't have dig installed, and apt-get install dig didn't work |
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| 03:28.16 | Hoolio | so it was then i asked "which package provides dig"? |
| 03:28.23 | abrotman | Hoolio: apt-file update;apt-file search bin/dig |
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| 03:30.47 | Hoolio | okies, ta. |
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| 03:32.20 | Hoolio | oh, thx google. http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/findfile.htm |
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| 03:35.08 | abrotman | or, apt-file search bin/dig |
| 03:35.09 | vaultillary | Hello! |
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| 03:36.43 | Hoolio | Hello! :) |
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| 03:37.33 | Hoolio | um, well thanks. i can search for files now, so that's cool |
| 03:37.51 | vaultillary | Hoolio Oh yeah? |
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| 03:39.12 | nevyn | Hoolio: it's part of bind btw. |
| 03:39.41 | nevyn | bind9-utils|tools|progs (I wish debian policy would standarise this) |
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| 03:40.57 | abrotman | dnstools ? |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | judd: file bin/dig |
| 03:41.22 | judd | Search for bin/dig in jessie/amd64: dnsutils: usr/bin/dig; knot-dnsutils: usr/bin/dig |
| 03:41.40 | nevyn | ok I'm sure it used to be bind9-something |
| 03:42.54 | nevyn | hrm maybe it's not and I'm thinking of $otherdistro |
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| 03:43.12 | abrotman | judd: file bin/dig --release wheezy |
| 03:43.15 | judd | Search for bin/dig in wheezy/amd64: dnsutils: usr/bin/dig |
| 03:43.33 | abrotman | judd: file bin/dig --release squeeze |
| 03:43.35 | judd | Search for bin/dig in squeeze/amd64: dnsutils: usr/bin/dig |
| 03:43.40 | abrotman | gives up |
| 03:43.50 | abrotman | nevyn: was that the 'host' command? |
| 03:44.24 | abrotman | judd: file bin/host |
| 03:44.27 | judd | Search for bin/host in jessie/amd64: knot-host: usr/bin/host; bind9-host: usr/bin/host |
| 03:45.02 | nevyn | abrotman: eww they're not together :( |
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| 03:46.29 | nevyn | also wtf is knot-blah? |
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| 03:47.37 | nevyn | huh alternate dns server |
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| 03:59.03 | fishbulb | hey I don't know whether this is a gnome thing or what |
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| 03:59.31 | fishbulb | firstly, how the hell do I get rid of the useless menu bar in iceweasel, in firefox it's obvious, it's in the options |
| 03:59.50 | fishbulb | you know, that bar that has the x in the corner, that is permanently there, and says the name of the website that I am already looking at |
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| 04:00.37 | kevlarman | fishbulb: are you talking about the window decorator? |
| 04:01.18 | fishbulb | in chrome, it's in the options, in firefox, options, in iceweasel, I can't find that option anywhere. also if someone would be so kind as to tell me how to get "firefox the latest one that there is" (in any format, I dont' give a crap about the firefox or iceweasel icon, I just want the latest version, someone said something about the mozilla repos last time I was here?) |
| 04:02.28 | fishbulb | kevlarman yeah also, how the f do I remove the window decorations with a right click? in gnome, no options for that, there are some fullscreen things I use that I want FULL screen. such as projectM and a few other things |
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| 04:03.07 | fishbulb | I've used kde for a couple of years, I'm by no means anything more than a novice, but I'm not a retard either |
| 04:03.28 | kevlarman | fishbulb: dolphin should have an option for full screen, as far as getting rid of them in general you'll probably want a different window manager |
| 04:04.32 | fishbulb | I used KDE for so long I'm not totally sure what a window manager is |
| 04:04.52 | kevlarman | kwm in kde's case, i'm blanking on the name of gnome's |
| 04:05.23 | kevlarman | tiling window managers generally don't have window decoration at all (since you don't need to drag it to move/resize the window, and couldn't if you wanted to) |
| 04:05.27 | fishbulb | ok whatever it is I don't like it, what would happen if I used kwm? is that possible? |
| 04:05.45 | nevyn | metacity? |
| 04:05.45 | fishbulb | ok but also I usually have 12 widescreen inches of precious screen "realestate" |
| 04:05.53 | kevlarman | nevyn: that's it |
| 04:06.09 | fishbulb | I don't want the stupid ass decorations about 50% of the time at least |
| 04:06.25 | kevlarman | fishbulb: gnome might act a bit confused but otherwise it should work |
| 04:06.31 | fishbulb | on a bigger screen, it's not such a problem, when it's just this ultraportable by itself |
| 04:06.51 | fishbulb | then I NEED all the vertical pixels I can possibly get |
| 04:07.09 | kevlarman | fishbulb: if screen real estate is that precious, i recommend you learn a tiling wm |
| 04:07.28 | kevlarman | i can't recommend any since i hate the concept of tiling though |
| 04:07.59 | fishbulb | I don't know what tiling is |
| 04:08.45 | Hoolio | imagine all your windows butting up to each other like they were laid there like tiles on a wall |
| 04:08.50 | kevlarman | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager |
| 04:08.58 | Hoolio | and if you add a new window, the others get rearranged automatically. |
| 04:09.12 | Hoolio | you don't need to grab window borders and resize them manually etc |
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| 04:09.43 | fishbulb | no, that would be worse |
| 04:10.07 | fishbulb | this thinkpad has a twelve inch 16:9 screen |
| 04:10.37 | kevlarman | fishbulb: if kwm is installed, (kwm --replace &)& will launch kwm for your current session |
| 04:10.38 | HellSpawn | hi anyone here having issues with php not working after upgrade to jessie |
| 04:11.16 | kevlarman | HellSpawn: php worked before? O_o |
| 04:11.20 | HellSpawn | yes |
| 04:11.37 | fishbulb | I don't want everything to spaz out because I woin't know how to put it back. I have been trying to like gnome for a few weeks now but every day I come across something that actually PREVENTS me doing what I want to do |
| 04:12.10 | kevlarman | fishbulb: what are you looking for in gnome that wasn't in kde? |
| 04:12.44 | Hoolio | less 'k's |
| 04:12.47 | fishbulb | like, run some visuals *full screen* on another screen? haha nope, this is gnome and we are minamalist (you don't get that option mother fer) |
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| 04:13.42 | kevlarman | fishbulb: i feel like you would prefer xfce or mate (mate is a fork of gnome2, xfce is unrelated but similar to gnome2 in many ways) |
| 04:13.45 | fishbulb | kevlarman: I don't know, I just installed debian, it had gnome as default, instead of reinstall I thought I'd see what the deal was, and I like some things about it. I hate that there are such limited options for EVERYTHING though |
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| 04:14.02 | kevlarman | fishbulb: you don't have to reinstall |
| 04:14.14 | dvs | fishbulb: you dont have to reinstall to change window managers |
| 04:14.26 | fishbulb | yeah but I'm not very good and if something goes wrong, I generally just take the 10 minutes to fully reinstall |
| 04:14.35 | fishbulb | and start blank again |
| 04:14.50 | dvs | !windows-mentality |
| 04:14.51 | dpkg | You don't have to reboot every time you change some configuration or if something goes wrong. You can restart a service by doing "/etc/init.d/<service> restart". If there is something wrong in the configuration, it can usually be fixed without reinstalling the entire system. |
| 04:15.16 | kevlarman | fishbulb: apt-get install kde-full, logout, choose a kde session, login |
| 04:15.17 | fishbulb | I've been using opensuse and mageia for 2 or 3 years |
| 04:15.32 | fishbulb | last couple of years I used the last couple of releases of opensuse |
| 04:15.40 | fishbulb | that started to really annoy me with it's old kernel |
| 04:15.47 | kevlarman | fishbulb: kde,gnome,etc. can coexist with no negative consequences other than a bit of space used up |
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| 04:16.16 | Hoolio | one thing i've never learned, if i install a new window manager it seems to become the default |
| 04:16.37 | fishbulb | I don't want a tiling window manager |
| 04:16.41 | nevyn | Hoolio: update-alternatives --config X-window-manager |
| 04:16.46 | Hoolio | ta :) |
| 04:16.46 | fishbulb | is there another one that I can try? |
| 04:16.50 | nevyn | capitalisation may be wrong |
| 04:17.07 | nevyn | Hoolio: also x-session-manager |
| 04:17.25 | kevlarman | fishbulb: if you like kde, just install kde |
| 04:17.26 | fishbulb | I'm thinking maybe I should scrap everything and go for arch, and just look at the wiki, and install what *I* want |
| 04:17.38 | fishbulb | no but I'd like gnome to work more like kde |
| 04:17.48 | fishbulb | not with everything, just with a couple of things |
| 04:18.21 | fishbulb | for example, right click on the window decoration, and have the option of.... removing it |
| 04:19.08 | Hoolio | i had the curious experience of running gui applications with no window manager at all once |
| 04:19.15 | kevlarman | fishbulb: gnome wants to make everything as "user friendly" as possible, so that won't happen |
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| 04:19.41 | Hoolio | they just popped up on the screen and stayed there like paint on a wall |
| 04:19.45 | kevlarman | fishbulb: mate(gnome2) or xfce are closer to what you want from the gtk side of things |
| 04:20.02 | Hoolio | (i really really like mate) |
| 04:20.06 | fishbulb | last time I tried mate I hated it |
| 04:20.08 | kevlarman | Hoolio: xterm still accepts a location on the screen on its command line :P |
| 04:20.14 | fishbulb | and xfce looked like windows 95 |
| 04:20.44 | Hoolio | i tend to not change window managers much, because it seems to take awhile to learn how to use them |
| 04:20.49 | kevlarman | fishbulb: xfce and mate will both look how you tell them to look (they use the same themes as gnome3) |
| 04:21.06 | fishbulb | I don't have any themes yet |
| 04:21.14 | fishbulb | this shit needs to work |
| 04:21.28 | kevlarman | fishbulb: the one you're currently looking at will be available in mate and xfce |
| 04:21.29 | fishbulb | before I go applying my favourite colours to it |
| 04:22.02 | fishbulb | other than kde |
| 04:22.06 | dvs | fishbulb: there are premade themes that can change window behaviour |
| 04:22.20 | kevlarman | fishbulb: or just use kde since you like it, you will not like gnome3 ever from what you've said so far |
| 04:22.24 | fishbulb | other than kde what comes with the most options? |
| 04:22.50 | fishbulb | kevlarman: I like that it seems to have some design that isn't done by a total neckbeard |
| 04:23.01 | kevlarman | fishbulb: just install them all and try them |
| 04:23.09 | fishbulb | can I do that? |
| 04:23.13 | nevyn | sure |
| 04:23.15 | kevlarman | the only thing it'll cost you is bandwidth and hard drive space |
| 04:23.25 | fishbulb | neither of which are problems these days |
| 04:23.27 | kevlarman | they can coexist without conflicting |
| 04:24.00 | kevlarman | apt-get install kde-full xfce4 mate-desktop |
| 04:24.09 | kevlarman | (add or remove as desired) |
| 04:24.25 | kevlarman | you may or may not enjoy lxde as well |
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| 04:24.38 | fishbulb | OH. maybe it was lxde that looked like a piece of shit |
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| 04:24.58 | kevlarman | fishbulb: it uses clearlooks just like gnome and xfce |
| 04:25.11 | kevlarman | err, wait that's the name of a theme not a library |
| 04:25.18 | fishbulb | then which one did I install that looked like windows 3.11 |
| 04:25.23 | kevlarman | i'm blanking on the name of the library |
| 04:25.31 | burrito1 | sup fishbulb hggsyudfgyug |
| 04:25.58 | kevlarman | burrito1: gesundheit |
| 04:26.05 | fishbulb | clearlooks? |
| 04:26.25 | kevlarman | fishbulb: clearlooks is the name of the gtk+ theme i usually use |
| 04:26.47 | nevyn | kevlarman: fvwm? |
| 04:26.53 | nevyn | fishbulb: ^^ |
| 04:27.21 | fishbulb | is that a recommendation?\ |
| 04:27.59 | fishbulb | so now it's installed, how do I switch into xfce4 |
| 04:28.20 | fishbulb | or is it easier to try fvwm ? |
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| 04:28.52 | kevlarman | fishbulb: gdm has a dropdown to select your session, currently it defaults to gnome-session, but you can pick any of the ones installed |
| 04:29.31 | fishbulb | what's gdm |
| 04:29.47 | kevlarman | fishbulb: that's the thing where you type in your username and password |
| 04:29.57 | nevyn | if you typed it at a gui thing |
| 04:30.17 | fishbulb | well I did, I installed debian, so I'm using whatever "debian" thinks I should be using |
| 04:30.20 | nevyn | if you ran startx then .xsession or update-alternatives |
| 04:30.47 | nevyn | fishbulb: debian will let you do this any way you want to. |
| 04:30.49 | nevyn | like most things |
| 04:30.52 | kevlarman | fishbulb: so logout, find the dropdown (i forget where it is on the current theme) and pick xfce-session |
| 04:30.59 | kevlarman | then login |
| 04:31.01 | fishbulb | right, like installing firefox? |
| 04:31.34 | nevyn | so installing non-free software is up to you. |
| 04:32.00 | fishbulb | I would like to install firefox for (insert any reason in the universe here) but.... "debian doesn't support that" |
| 04:32.55 | nevyn | well it's not in debian for licencing reasons |
| 04:33.32 | nevyn | you can install it from mozilla's repo's |
| 04:33.32 | fishbulb | ok but: I would have thought it'd be as simple as a repo |
| 04:33.43 | fishbulb | can I? |
| 04:33.46 | nevyn | !firefox |
| 04:33.47 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net. For the latest and greatest versions of Iceweasel, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
| 04:34.39 | fishbulb | I don't want to know about iceweasel. I *just* want the latest firefox, it could have anything as the icon, I don't care, I just want it to work like firefox does |
| 04:35.12 | dvs | fishbulb: That EXACTLY what iceweasel is |
| 04:35.20 | fishbulb | no it is not exactly what iceweasel is |
| 04:35.30 | kevlarman | dvs: it's quite outdated |
| 04:35.31 | dvs | whats the difference? |
| 04:35.35 | dvs | !mdn |
| 04:35.36 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 04:35.53 | fishbulb | haha ice dove and ice ape |
| 04:36.19 | kevlarman | fishbulb: open source projects aren't exactly known for creative naming |
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| 04:37.05 | fishbulb | I know |
| 04:37.31 | fishbulb | that's kind of what comes with most neckbeards being further along the aspergers spectrum |
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| 04:55.55 | fishbulb | which I didn't say as a judgement thing, most techy poeple are slightly along that spectrum |
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| 05:08.54 | fishbulb | how do I check if I have fresh player installed |
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| 05:24.06 | kevlarman | fishbulb: there's a pepper flash package available in non-free, the flash player that supports firefox is no longer supported and has lots of security holes |
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| 05:26.35 | cyph3x | Hey guys, new to Debian. I am having trouble installing the AMD (OpenCL) drivers for my video card, I was hoping someone had some idea as to the "pre-requisite" software needed to run them? (thats the error I get) |
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| 05:26.53 | CryptoSiD | is jessie older than wheezy? |
| 05:27.05 | kevlarman | CryptoSiD: jessie is wheezy+1 |
| 05:27.38 | CryptoSiD | ho ok:) |
| 05:29.09 | fishbulb | kevlarman I can't watch my important um... business... cough porn |
| 05:30.55 | kevlarman | fishbulb: then you're stuck with chromium |
| 05:31.11 | kevlarman | fishbulb: unless gnash works, but i've never actually seen gnash work |
| 05:31.12 | fishbulb | I think I have both installed |
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| 05:31.27 | fishbulb | I've never heard of gnash and I don't care, I've seen pepper work |
| 05:31.34 | fishbulb | I've seen flash work |
| 05:31.46 | kevlarman | fishbulb: pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:31.50 | fishbulb | but I tried to open a page tha thad a flash document |
| 05:31.54 | fishbulb | and it said I needed a plugin |
| 05:32.04 | fishbulb | I have a plugin! pretty sure I have both |
| 05:32.14 | AlwaysHigh | whats a secure way to add new user wiht password? |
| 05:33.27 | kevlarman | fishbulb: dpkg -l pepper? |
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| 05:33.38 | fishbulb | hey, why the hell does it open in google chrome? and not in iceweasel? |
| 05:33.57 | fishbulb | why does everyone insist iceweasel IS firefox? it is ABSOLUTELY NOT FIREFOX |
| 05:34.07 | kevlarman | fishbulb: because pepper requires the nacl api that is only available in chrome |
| 05:34.21 | kevlarman | fishbulb: the actual adobe flash plugin got dropped years ago |
| 05:34.47 | fishbulb | not years, I remember it was a few months ago they stopped creating new releases for linux |
| 05:35.03 | fishbulb | when they had that day of ALL flash being absolutely screwed |
| 05:35.07 | fishbulb | those few days actually |
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| 05:36.12 | kevlarman | fishbulb: flashplugin-nonfree is the package for it, installing it is a bad idea but if you want to shoot your own foot go for it |
| 05:37.20 | fishbulb | ok I suppose if I want to open anything that ever requires flash, now I have to use TWO browsers |
| 05:38.03 | fishbulb | ok. the next person who tells me iceweasel is firefox, gets anthrax posted to them |
| 05:38.23 | kevlarman | fishbulb: firefox also doesn't support pepper flash |
| 05:38.44 | fishbulb | I know but I would like to have firefox because: that is what I would like to have |
| 05:39.15 | kevlarman | fishbulb: the only supported versions of flash that work on firefox are the osx/windows versions |
| 05:39.21 | fishbulb | is there a repo or something I can just install this shit from without everyone telling me iceweasel is firefox because even if iceweasel IS firefox, it's an outdated firefox |
| 05:39.36 | fishbulb | yup flash aside |
| 05:39.37 | kevlarman | fishbulb: yup, you got linked it earlier |
| 05:39.49 | fishbulb | I know but then I cleared the screen |
| 05:40.07 | fishbulb | and I don't keep logs and I'm using a browser chat thing |
| 05:40.07 | kevlarman | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 05:40.14 | fishbulb | thanks! |
| 05:41.08 | fishbulb | oh ffs, "I am using "jessie" and I want to install (FIREFOX) |
| 05:41.19 | fishbulb | the dropdown things has both things I never want to install |
| 05:41.48 | fishbulb | just firefox! how hard is that. an entire os that can't run firefox? what is this? |
| 05:41.48 | kevlarman | fishbulb: make sure it's actually a problem before you complain |
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| 05:42.23 | dent | Does chrome use a lot of ram |
| 05:42.29 | fishbulb | all I want to do is run firefox, the real firefox, from mozilla, not ice ape, or ice... red breasted tit warbler, or ice anything |
| 05:42.30 | kevlarman | dent: yes |
| 05:43.19 | kevlarman | dent: i had to get 16gb to keep it from interfering with any other programs when i had it in the background |
| 05:43.48 | dent | I guess I'll stick to firefox then |
| 05:43.53 | kevlarman | dent: it somewhat depends on how many tabs you use though |
| 05:44.01 | fishbulb | not ice probiscis monkey or ice tapir or ice ANY OTHER STUPID ANIMAL. firefox pure and simple. the browser that every os on the planet uses and the browser that some are even BASED on |
| 05:45.32 | iflema | so get it from mozilla and run it |
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| 05:47.24 | fishbulb | I want it to update too |
| 05:47.33 | fishbulb | you know. like how software does when you install it in linux |
| 05:47.47 | iflema | it uodates itself |
| 05:47.48 | fishbulb | like how linux has the ability to install any software you want, and also update it regularly? |
| 05:47.54 | kevlarman | fishbulb: then get it from mozilla.debian.net |
| 05:48.01 | fishbulb | I get a .tar.gz |
| 05:48.05 | iflema | whats in the repo is basivally the lts version |
| 05:48.06 | fishbulb | where do I put it? |
| 05:48.23 | iflema | fishbulb: windows |
| 05:48.28 | kevlarman | fishbulb: everything you're complaining about is exactly the same as it was in firefox about 2 years ago |
| 05:48.30 | hiya | https://lut.im/plHgSsrshf/26wU7OU9Z05swWNz.png |
| 05:48.42 | hiya | this is what I happening when you click the duckduckkgo logo after a search |
| 05:48.46 | fishbulb | forget what I'm complaining about for just a second though |
| 05:48.46 | hiya | Can anyone else confirm? |
| 05:49.23 | fishbulb | what I want: for whatever reason I could ever possibly want it for, and that reason doesn't matter in the slightest bit, is to install firefox |
| 05:49.51 | fishbulb | I want that. I don't want ice_______, I want firefox, this should not be that hard |
| 05:50.05 | fishbulb | this should not be as much of a pain in my ass as this is being |
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| 05:50.45 | kevlarman | fishbulb: your choices are: 1) the version packaged by mozilla.debian.net for debian, 2) the version released by mozilla.org (distro agnostic) |
| 05:51.16 | fishbulb | how do I install a .tar.gz? and after I install it will it update itself? |
| 05:51.39 | kevlarman | it depends on the contents of the .tar.gz (binary or source), and no it won't |
| 05:52.03 | dent | doesnt apt-get have the most packages out of any packing manager |
| 05:52.06 | fishbulb | ok. how; do I: install firefox |
| 05:52.29 | fishbulb | doesn't apt-get have 30,000 packages and isn't debian supposed to have "the most software out of anything ever" |
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| 05:52.46 | peterrooney | fishbulb: you are getting worked up about something that is not actually a problem. iceweasel is firefox without Mozilla Foundation trademark fuckery. |
| 05:53.00 | fishbulb | peterroony: NO IT ISN'T |
| 05:53.03 | nevyn | fishbulb: it's not included for licencing reasons. |
| 05:53.12 | fishbulb | I am doing things with firefox on another computer, that iceweasel CAN'T do |
| 05:53.34 | kevlarman | fishbulb: now downgrade that firefox by 2 years, and it won't be able to do those things either |
| 05:53.50 | kevlarman | fishbulb: or upgrade iceweasel to parity with the current firefox version, and it will |
| 05:54.04 | kevlarman | fishbulb: you're just being stubborn at this point |
| 05:54.29 | fishbulb | ok so you mean that iceweasel is a 2 year old firefox, that does make more sense |
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| 05:54.45 | nevyn | fishbulb: iceweasel is the firefox code... |
| 05:54.49 | kevlarman | fishbulb: EVERYTHING in debian stable is a minimum of 2 years old |
| 05:55.00 | nevyn | frozen with only security fixes applied since release |
| 05:55.01 | somiaj | fishbulb: no, iceweasel is firefox. I linked you the esr version of firefox, which is what debian uses. |
| 05:55.31 | fishbulb | I think I'm going to arch |
| 05:55.41 | fishbulb | this is getting a little bit ridiculous |
| 05:55.42 | somiaj | fishbulb: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ -- that is the version of firefox debian provides in stable. But as I already directed you to mozilla.debian.net you can get the release version of iceweasel instead |
| 05:56.16 | somiaj | (though security no longer backports browser fixes, chromium and iceweasel get security fixes from upstream, it is just firefox provides an esr release which is what stable uses. |
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| 05:56.39 | fishbulb | ok. google chrome is working perfectly. and it's: CURRENT |
| 05:56.59 | kevlarman | fishbulb: chromium is also of comparable age |
| 05:57.08 | fishbulb | no, I am using google chrome |
| 05:57.24 | iflema | fishbulb: wjat do think gentoovusers do... the stand alone binary feom moIlla updates itself but i have not tried to run the standalone on debian so your milage may varu |
| 05:57.26 | somiaj | kevlarman: not really, browsers aren't frozen in stable anymore. |
| 05:57.28 | fishbulb | it's doing everything I want it to, but, I prefer firefox. becuase that is what I prefer. |
| 05:58.00 | kevlarman | fishbulb: then why don't you try the current version of iceweasel? |
| 05:58.12 | somiaj | fishbulb: I have told you multiple times. YOu can install the cureent release of iceweasel which is firefox from mozilla.debian.net. You can downlaod teh static linked firefox binary and run it in $HOME if you really want. |
| 05:58.13 | fishbulb | fuck sake |
| 05:58.30 | fishbulb | I just run it in home? |
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| 05:58.44 | fishbulb | I just extract it to home? |
| 05:58.53 | somiaj | I'd suggest mozzilla.debian.net as this will update with apt-get upgrade. But yes firefox provides a static linked binary that should run on debian just fine. |
| 05:59.30 | iflema | fishbulb: join ##linux and troll... i mean ask there... |
| 06:00.02 | fishbulb | at this point I'm afraid to ask this because my computer might become a frisbee and I might be able to see into my neighbours apartment through two smashed windows with a laptop sized hole in each of them..... |
| 06:00.07 | somiaj | fishbulb: yes you can extract the .tar.gz from firefox.com and extract it in $HOME and run it there |
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| 06:00.34 | somiaj | fishbulb: but really mozilla.debian.net will give you the current version. I thought you were going to try this last time you were here, what happened with that attempt? |
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| 06:01.25 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 06:01.27 | fishbulb | I didn't randomly extract it in case: I couldn't track down and get rid of the shit that blindly extracting a ton of files to a location does |
| 06:02.00 | somiaj | fishbulb: you have to trust the creater of such a file (in this case firefox which you seem to trust) |
| 06:02.16 | somiaj | fishbulb: if the tar is made nice, it should just put everything in the tar in a single direcoty firefox_version or something |
| 06:02.36 | kevlarman | somiaj: and the owners of the cdn that hosts it, since the tarball is not signed |
| 06:02.41 | fishbulb | no I thikn they probably have it out for the user and can never be trusted, you nut |
| 06:03.08 | fishbulb | ok but I want firefox to be like, integrated, like OTHER THINGS I install |
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| 06:03.19 | tite12345 | Could someone give me the list of mirrors? |
| 06:03.19 | nevyn | so use mozilla.debian.net repos |
| 06:03.20 | somiaj | fishbulb: thin install iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:03.22 | fishbulb | and when there's an update? I want that to update itself |
| 06:03.27 | tite12345 | I want to change my sources.list |
| 06:03.38 | somiaj | tite12345: what are you looking for in paticular? A close fast mirror? or just a mirror in genreal |
| 06:03.43 | somiaj | !httpredir.debian.org |
| 06:03.43 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
| 06:03.59 | somiaj | tite12345: that is the suggested mirror to use as it will redirect to a local mirror based on your geoip |
| 06:03.59 | tite12345 | somiaj: I'm fine now :D |
| 06:04.26 | kevlarman | somiaj: based on location only? |
| 06:04.34 | fishbulb | somiaj: I'd relaly like to give you this x series i5 thinkpad ultraportable with a magnesium alloy chassis and flat black rubberised coating |
| 06:04.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: geoip so mostly location, there are some aps which will find the fastest |
| 06:04.45 | fishbulb | via a trebuchet |
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| 06:05.04 | somiaj | kevlarman: there is also some load balancing going on, so you don't always get the same mirror either with httpredir.debian.org |
| 06:05.32 | kevlarman | somiaj: yeah i used one, and the closest ones aren't even close to the fastest one |
| 06:05.35 | somiaj | fishbulb: well how about lets get the current version of iceweasel on your system, and let you decide what you think. |
| 06:05.38 | fernie | :q |
| 06:05.49 | kevlarman | i was hoping to future-proof my sources.list a bit |
| 06:05.57 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea, there is some app (froget its name) that finds a fast mirror. |
| 06:06.01 | fishbulb | whichever is more current than whatever shipped with jessie |
| 06:06.01 | fishbulb | please |
| 06:06.02 | kevlarman | apt-spy is one |
| 06:06.13 | kevlarman | fishbulb: mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:06.26 | fishbulb | what do I DO with mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:06.27 | somiaj | fishbulb: you already said the one shipped with jessie is to old (you want to use the actual release not the esr). But I can get you one designed to install in jessie |
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| 06:06.37 | kevlarman | fishbulb: you type it into your browser and follow the directions |
| 06:06.52 | somiaj | fishbulb: put this into your sources.list "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release" then run apt-get update |
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| 06:06.59 | kevlarman | fishbulb: it gives you a line to add to sources.list, then you apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 06:07.11 | somiaj | it also gives you instructions about adding the key for that archive |
| 06:07.16 | fishbulb | so: what I want is the release version? |
| 06:07.32 | kevlarman | fishbulb: unless you like running nightlies/betas/etc., yes |
| 06:07.43 | somiaj | fishbulb: correct that is the current release of firefox (rebranded as iceweasle) which I think is what you want. |
| 06:07.46 | fishbulb | I'd PREFER firefox, as in firefox, not ice (stupid animal) |
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| 06:08.21 | kevlarman | fishbulb: release is the same version that you would get if you were to download the latest version from the firefox website |
| 06:08.29 | kevlarman | (give or take a few days) |
| 06:08.34 | fishbulb | the one that works exactly the same as the version of firefox I am *looking* at, running on another computer, doing the things I want iceweasel TO DO, which it doesn't do. |
| 06:08.44 | somiaj | fishbulb: give this a try, the differences you are noticing are probably due the esr version vs current release. |
| 06:08.52 | fishbulb | yes. that one. that exact one please |
| 06:09.05 | fishbulb | current release please |
| 06:09.07 | kevlarman | fishbulb: are you done complaining yet? |
| 06:09.09 | somiaj | fishbulb: I have said this many times, follow the instructions on mozilla.debian.net and install the release version of iceweasel |
| 06:09.49 | somiaj | the only difference between this and the version you are running from firefox is 1) the name firefox and icons have been removed (unbranded), 2) it may not have all the addons installed, but you can always install addons if you need to |
| 06:09.50 | kevlarman | fishbulb: you have asked us how to do something, we have told you how (repeatedly), and you have complained before even verifying it doesn't do what you want |
| 06:09.51 | PETSounds | Hi i'm using Intel Skylake , on live CD session i cannot get into the Desktop. Do i need to put kernel parameters? if yes what is the parameters? thanks in advance |
| 06:10.44 | somiaj | PETSounds: I hear you may need a 4.3 kernel for Skylake, debian jessie's kernel and intel driver proabably don't support that card. |
| 06:10.51 | tite12345 | kde-full doesn't contain any nonfree stuff right? |
| 06:11.04 | tite12345 | I did not put any nonfree source in my sources.list |
| 06:11.08 | somiaj | PETSounds: you can get a 4.2 kernel and a newer intel driver from jessie-backports, but i'm unsure how well they support skylake |
| 06:11.18 | kevlarman | tite12345: it would be in contrib if it depended on anything in nonfree |
| 06:11.26 | somiaj | tite12345: correct, no package in main can depend in anyway on packages from contrib or non-free |
| 06:11.35 | tite12345 | Cool! |
| 06:11.38 | somiaj | tite12345: this would be a policy viloation and considered a grave bug |
| 06:11.43 | tite12345 | Yey! I'm free of blobs |
| 06:11.52 | tite12345 | Yesh indeeed! |
| 06:11.52 | tite12345 | :p |
| 06:12.01 | kevlarman | tite12345: unlikely, but pretty close to it |
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| 06:12.18 | somiaj | non-free blobs on hardware don't count! (: |
| 06:12.31 | kevlarman | tite12345: more likely if you have no wifi hardware and intel graphics |
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| 06:13.35 | PETSounds | somiaj: Hi thanks for your response. FYI I tried to install Jessie, but it drops to busybox. Does this indicate something? |
| 06:13.35 | kevlarman | somiaj: even if the hardware is your cpu? :P |
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| 06:14.21 | kevlarman | PETSounds: is the hard drive easily removable? |
| 06:14.29 | somiaj | PETSounds: what install image are you using? You may not want to use the graphical install as you may ahve to fiddle around to get Skylake to work (again I'm unsure on this hardware, but I belive it is new enough that it isn't supported by default |
| 06:14.55 | somiaj | kevlarman: there is microcode on the cpu, and it is suggested you install the updated microcode from non-free for x86 cpus |
| 06:14.56 | PETSounds | kevlarman: Hi. this is a laptop. |
| 06:15.53 | kevlarman | PETSounds: i've seen some where it barely requires a screwdriver and others where it requires everything but a cleanroom |
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| 06:17.03 | PETSounds | somiaj: i tried both GNOME and KDE live CD. Ok so probably doing a netinst and install backport kernel (4.2) will help? |
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| 06:18.09 | kevlarman | PETSounds: looks like 4.3 minimum |
| 06:18.22 | kevlarman | unless it's been backported to that one |
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| 06:20.27 | PETSounds | kevlarman: ok i will now try to do netinst and install 4.2 kernel available from Jessie backports. hope it will work. |
| 06:20.30 | somiaj | PETSounds: that is your best bet. You will ahve to do do more research. I heard someoen say they needed the 4.3 kernel fro skylark which won't be in jessie-backports for a few weeks (my rough guess) |
| 06:20.42 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 06:20.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-rc5-686-pae (4.4~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-2); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.6-3~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u1) |
| 06:21.16 | somiaj | PETSounds: 4.3 kernel needs to be in sid 10 days (at least) been there only a couple. If there are no grave bugs it will drop into testing(stretch) and then be backported sometime after that |
| 06:21.25 | somiaj | PETSounds: for debian jessie you may have to just wait to have Skylark support |
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| 06:23.59 | kevlarman | i915.preliminary_hw_support=1 that enables it on kernels earlier than 4.3 apparently |
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| 06:24.07 | kevlarman | expect issues though |
| 06:24.31 | PETSounds | judd: thanks for the info. somiaj: i'll report back, i'll do netinst and tried to use the kernel from experimental branch |
| 06:24.47 | kevlarman | PETSounds: try it on the image you have first |
| 06:25.20 | somiaj | PETSounds: don't, debian packages don't work that way |
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| 06:25.33 | kevlarman | 3.16 may be just barely new enough to get X working |
| 06:25.36 | somiaj | PETSounds: if you need a 4.3 kernel in jessie you'll have to compile it yourself (not install one from unstalbe or expirmental) |
| 06:25.42 | PETSounds | kevlarman: i tried to boot Jessie with that Parameters but still can't get into desktop. |
| 06:25.52 | kevlarman | (i found a reference to it with 3.19) |
| 06:26.05 | somiaj | PETSounds: try the 4.2 kernel from jessie-backports then |
| 06:26.08 | somiaj | !bpo kernel |
| 06:26.08 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 06:26.37 | PETSounds | somiaj: i see. ok will do. thank you. |
| 06:27.17 | kevlarman | somiaj: it's only barely more effort to build it from a source package, and the reason for hiding the support was lots of known issues with it |
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| 06:27.24 | fishbulb | hey this stuff on the mozilla.debian.net is pretty debian specific and I'm a debian (never used it before user) |
| 06:27.53 | kevlarman | fishbulb: i think you forgot how to english for a second there :P |
| 06:28.00 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea I'm unsure on the hardawre, I just know 4.3 kernel is the version I keep hearing. |
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| 06:28.19 | somiaj | fishbulb: that is because the info on mozilla.debian.net is designed for debian jessie. |
| 06:28.48 | fishbulb | probably, I have only eaten a packet of no brand creme wafers today and I'm also trying to quit cigarettes |
| 06:29.08 | fishbulb | re: I am speak english |
| 06:30.06 | somiaj | fishbulb: what part are you having trouble with. 1) did you add the requires line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 06:30.38 | fishbulb | I did not do that yet, do I add it with um. leafpad or something |
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| 06:30.59 | kevlarman | fishbulb: yup, that's fine |
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| 06:31.21 | fishbulb | sudo leafpad /ect/apt/sources.list ? |
| 06:31.21 | kevlarman | fishbulb: or you can put it in its own file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 06:31.40 | kevlarman | fishbulb: gksu for graphical programs, but yes |
| 06:32.03 | fishbulb | ok I don't know what that would do though. and I may not remember what I did, what on earth is gksu |
| 06:32.21 | kevlarman | fishbulb: gksu works mostly like sudo |
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| 06:32.40 | somiaj | fishbulb: that sudo command will work, then add a single line to the bottom of your souces.list file, leaving the rest alone |
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| 06:36.31 | kevlarman | somiaj: speaking of doing crazy things to get X working, is there anything less crazy than installing nvidia-driver from experimental for 9xx cards? |
| 06:37.07 | somiaj | kevlarman: on jessie you would want to backport it first |
| 06:37.26 | fishbulb | this is off topic but do any of you people use arch? |
| 06:37.38 | kevlarman | fishbulb: i used to before they went crazy |
| 06:37.49 | fishbulb | you mean crazier than debian? |
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| 06:37.54 | kevlarman | fishbulb: yup |
| 06:38.03 | fishbulb | when was that? |
| 06:38.20 | kevlarman | fishbulb: when they decided arch didn't need an installer of any kind at all |
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| 06:38.35 | fishbulb | that must have been before 2012 |
| 06:38.41 | kevlarman | fishbulb: yup |
| 06:39.13 | fishbulb | because even then they didn't really have much of an installer, but once you trudged through the wiki, you could get a system up with precisely what you wanted and with almost no restrictions |
| 06:39.15 | HellSpawn | so is there an issue with latest upgrade jessie and php |
| 06:39.22 | kevlarman | fishbulb: they also had a very backwards attitude towards 32 bit binaries on 64 bit systems at the time |
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| 06:39.46 | fishbulb | I can't comment on that but that's useful to know |
| 06:40.00 | kevlarman | HellSpawn: you're far more likely to get help for a specific question |
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| 07:00.45 | fishbulb | I can't open sources.list |
| 07:01.07 | somiaj | you have to open it as root |
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| 07:01.32 | fishbulb | yeah sudo leafpad sources.list can't open the file to save it |
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| 07:01.42 | fishbulb | even though it opens the file |
| 07:02.33 | somiaj | fishbulb: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list (can I get the output of that) |
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| 07:03.33 | kevlarman | somiaj: mind if i brute force this one a bit? |
| 07:04.10 | somiaj | kevlarman: not sure what you mean, feel free to help (: |
| 07:04.22 | fishbulb | soimaij it just has the normal shit in it |
| 07:04.39 | kevlarman | fishbulb: echo "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozilla.list |
| 07:04.48 | fishbulb | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 751 Dec 10 01:10 /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:05.25 | kevlarman | somiaj: ^that :P |
| 07:05.31 | fishbulb | I have no idea what that command is, so I'll run it immediately without kevlarman question |
| 07:05.44 | fishbulb | um, without question, kevlarman |
| 07:06.08 | kevlarman | fishbulb: i would hope you know what echo does, tee outputs its stdin to stdout *and* the named file |
| 07:06.25 | somiaj | fishbulb: it puts that one line into a file that can be used as opposed to going through the editor. |
| 07:06.40 | kevlarman | we don't care about the first part but sudo echo "stuff" > place runs echo as root and not the file write |
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| 07:07.30 | kevlarman | fishbulb: definitely a good idea to be skeptical when sudo is involved though |
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| 07:49.47 | olf-folks | is this unsupport hardware http://www.engadget.com/products/ibm/thinkpad/a20p/specs/ |
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| 07:51.45 | kevlarman | olf-folks: heh |
| 07:52.00 | tabakhase | hm, so is my bind9 configured strangely, or am i missing an apparmor? - "profile="/usr/sbin/named" name="/run/systemd/journal/dev-log"" requesting writes - if i permit it, its not actually writing anything - nor do i have any debug marks set (up to date 8.2) |
| 07:52.06 | olf-folks | kevlarman: wut |
| 07:52.55 | kevlarman | olf-folks: assuming it has enough hard drive space, you can probably get it working tolerably, but you should check what wireless card it has before you spend a lot of time on it |
| 07:53.43 | kevlarman | olf-folks: the battery life on something that old is so disappointing though |
| 07:54.04 | olf-folks | kevlarman: it has no onbord wireless and a 80 gig hd |
| 07:54.12 | kevlarman | compared to the 7+ hours you get out of ivy/haswell |
| 07:54.21 | kevlarman | olf-folks: what graphics? |
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| 07:55.39 | olf-folks | kevlarman: ati mobality 182 i thinks |
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| 07:56.12 | kevlarman | also i would be a little concerned about whether the initrd on the live cd and on the first boot is small enough to fit in ram |
| 07:57.14 | olf-folks | kevlarman: i dont plan to run x or anything like that heh just cli progs like irssi it has a half a gig of ram and 750 Mhz pentium |
| 07:57.34 | kevlarman | olf-folks: according to that it has 128 |
| 07:57.52 | olf-folks | yes kevlarman thats the one. |
| 07:58.20 | kevlarman | olf-folks: so if the live cd's initrd doesn't fit in ram, it won't boot |
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| 07:58.57 | kevlarman | if it manages to get past that it will probably work fine |
| 07:58.57 | julius | jhutchins, https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1380485.html vfat mounts exit with error 32 |
| 07:59.00 | nola_ | I was updating export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk1.7.0_71 and export PATH=PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin in to my ~/.bashrc, and unfortunetly I made updates and now I am getting error evry command says bash error even i cant edit anything help me please? |
| 07:59.33 | kevlarman | nola_: /bin/sh |
| 07:59.41 | olf-folks | kevlarman: so what should i do to get it going? use an older version then upgrade it? |
| 08:00.07 | kevlarman | olf-folks: i don't have a livecd to check how big it is |
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| 08:00.30 | kevlarman | olf-folks: and that would take days on a hard drive that old (if it doesn't fail halfway through) |
| 08:00.32 | nola_ | kevlarman:/bin/sh mean? |
| 08:00.44 | olf-folks | well all i know is that it wont install it fails while it is installing |
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| 08:01.04 | kevlarman | nola_: it's a shell that doesn't care about the contents of ~/.bashrc |
| 08:01.14 | kevlarman | nola_: use it to fix your bashrc |
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| 08:01.29 | olf-folks | kevlarman: what do you suggest? for this to get debian running on it |
| 08:01.39 | kevlarman | olf-folks: what error are you getting? |
| 08:02.19 | olf-folks | i can redo it and show you what comes up on the debug tty |
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| 08:04.42 | nola_ | kevlarman:sorry iam beginner can you tell me the full path i mean do you mean i can edit what is the problem with the export file do you mean i can add /bin/sh at the end instead of bin only? |
| 08:05.38 | olf-folks | i have a better question what is the oldest debian release that can be upgraded to current stable? |
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| 08:05.48 | olf-folks | useing apt*** |
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| 08:06.12 | kevlarman | olf-folks: skipping any of them will probably cause lots of problems |
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| 08:06.33 | kevlarman | olf-folks: one at a time i wouldn't be surprised if 1.0 could be convinced to cooperate |
| 08:06.35 | olf-folks | ok so upgrade from one to another untill i get to stable?? |
| 08:07.13 | kevlarman | olf-folks: i wouldn't recommend it for the sake of your sanity, but i would expect it to work (with some manual conflict resolution) |
| 08:07.54 | kevlarman | unless the drivers for any of the hardware in it have managed to bitrot, then it won't be fun |
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| 08:08.26 | olf-folks | i am not sane so i will try and return with results |
| 08:08.47 | kevlarman | olf-folks: it's probably easier to fix your issue with the current installer |
| 08:09.09 | kevlarman | olf-folks: if you have a sata-ide adapter it's probably even easier to use that |
| 08:09.46 | olf-folks | it uses micro ide |
| 08:09.50 | kevlarman | (it's harder to strip down a cd image than it is to strip down something on writable hardware) |
| 08:10.27 | olf-folks | kevlarman: i do however have a micro to normal ide converter would it be a problem to install it on one computer then move it to the laptop |
| 08:10.54 | olf-folks | i know windows dose not work that way even if you change just the cpu you get denied |
| 08:11.17 | kevlarman | olf-folks: actually 7 is tolerant of it |
| 08:11.36 | olf-folks | okay |
| 08:11.43 | kevlarman | i went from am3+ to lga2011 |
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| 08:11.55 | kevlarman | it complained loudly for about 5 boots, then worked |
| 08:12.37 | kevlarman | linux initrd's tend to have enough in them that they don't care about being moved to a different cpu |
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| 08:12.54 | kevlarman | but that may end up being the problem for you |
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| 08:14.07 | kevlarman | once you have an install on the hard drive and a way to chroot into it, you can probably force it to cooperate |
| 08:14.19 | nola_ | kevlarman:even i can't do anything evrything is an error |
| 08:14.35 | kevlarman | nola_: do you have X running or? |
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| 08:14.52 | kevlarman | nola_: also does root have a password? |
| 08:15.11 | nola_ | kevlarman:yeah my root have password |
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| 08:15.37 | olf-folks | okay thanks ill try 7 and if it fails halfway through i will attempt to swap with a tower and install then swap back |
| 08:15.49 | kevlarman | nola_: then just log out and have root rename your .bashrc |
| 08:15.59 | kevlarman | olf-folks: i meant windows 7 |
| 08:16.26 | olf-folks | -_- |
| 08:16.37 | kevlarman | olf-folks: linux hasn't had issues moving between motherboard chipsets for as long as i can remember (sarge-ish) |
| 08:16.56 | olf-folks | okay thanks |
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| 08:17.41 | nola_ | kevlarman:even i cant login to root when iam writng su it give me bash: su command not found error |
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| 08:18.36 | kevlarman | nola_: type "/bin/mv ~/.bashrc ~/brokenbashrc" |
| 08:18.53 | kevlarman | minus the quotes |
| 08:20.23 | nola_ | kevlarman:i did it still i cant login |
| 08:20.48 | kevlarman | nola_: log out then log in again |
| 08:21.05 | kevlarman | nola_: only if that last command gave no error |
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| 08:24.17 | nola_ | kevlarman:it works now |
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| 08:24.43 | kevlarman | nola_: now fix ~/brokenbashrc before renaming it back to ~/.bashrc |
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| 08:28.30 | gtristan | Hi |
| 08:28.43 | nola_ | kevlarman: i cant find ~/brokenbashrc it is empty file |
| 08:28.53 | gtristan | I read that to enable tmpfs on /tmp I should "systemctl enable tmp.mount" |
| 08:29.08 | gtristan | But I get a no such file or directory error |
| 08:29.24 | gtristan | Is there a particular package I need to install to get that unit file ? |
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| 08:30.31 | kevlarman | gtristan: that in particular is part of systemd, but if you're still on sysvinit you should still have a tmpfs on /tmp |
| 08:31.11 | gtristan | kevinsan, yeah just read this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/11/msg01014.html |
| 08:31.48 | gtristan | I'm using systemd... wont get into a debate about that (it's 'good enough' for my laptop :)) |
| 08:32.08 | gtristan | is there a "way" to do it with systemd ? |
| 08:32.21 | gtristan | i.e., a "correct way" ? |
| 08:32.55 | gtristan | would rather know if there is a "right way" before editing /etc/fstab |
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| 08:33.31 | kevlarman | gtristan: does /lib/systemd/system/tmp.mount exist? |
| 08:33.45 | gtristan | ah yes I see it |
| 08:34.03 | gtristan | so I should manually move it to like /lib/systemd/system.d or smth ? |
| 08:34.19 | nola_ | kevlarman: thanks solved |
| 08:34.30 | gtristan | or maybe systemctl will take a full path |
| 08:34.38 | kevlarman | gtristan: i don't think so, but i know next to nothing of systemd |
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| 08:36.23 | kevlarman | gtristan: are you sure pid 1 is systemd? |
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| 08:36.49 | gtristan | not sure |
| 08:36.55 | gtristan | its /sbin/init |
| 08:37.10 | gtristan | kevinsan, yes it is systemd |
| 08:37.13 | gtristan | symlink to it |
| 08:37.29 | gtristan | I'm on stretch fwiw |
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| 08:37.54 | gtristan | looks like systemd enable /usr/share/systemd/tmp.mount gave me some warnings (saying it's not meant to be installed) |
| 08:38.00 | gtristan | but still did it's symlinking |
| 08:38.18 | gtristan | and systemctl start tmp.mount after that, mounted /tmp as tmpfs |
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| 08:38.45 | gtristan | thinks he should reboot lest apps fail to access their tmpfiles |
| 08:39.17 | kevlarman | gtristan: lsof for the less windows solution :P |
| 08:39.51 | kevlarman | gtristan: existing handles will continue to work, you just might get some mysterious hard drive space usage |
| 08:40.50 | kevlarman | so unless you're planning not to shut down the machine at all in the next week, i wouldn't bother |
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| 08:42.44 | gtristan | ok fun |
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| 08:43.30 | gtristan | I compile in /tmp, so I hope to reduce SSD wear and maybe see a performance improvement whilst compiling 2 WebKits in parallel :D |
| 08:43.35 | kevlarman | speaking of which, after you do reboot mount the device somewhere other than / so you can clear out /tmp |
| 08:43.55 | kevlarman | gtristan: are you using ccache yet? |
| 08:44.11 | gtristan | yeah but not sure it really works in this env |
| 08:44.42 | kevlarman | as long as the md5 of the compiler command line+preprocessed source doesn't change, it works |
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| 08:44.48 | gtristan | i.e. for regular builds yeah, but for these builds, they are extremely isolated |
| 08:45.22 | kevlarman | (and obviously gcc (or whatever) needs to be a link to ccache) |
| 08:45.35 | gtristan | right |
| 08:45.43 | gtristan | so probably not, I dont think the system is there yet |
| 08:45.47 | kevlarman | and i suppose you need a writable+persistent home folder |
| 08:45.58 | gtristan | it compiles gcc and uses that gcc |
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| 08:46.57 | kevlarman | ccache has a folder you can put in front of the path to hijack things trying to use gcc |
| 08:47.10 | kevlarman | so it's fairly easy to set up |
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| 08:51.19 | gtristan | yeah it's all in a chroot |
| 08:51.32 | gtristan | but I think it's been done |
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| 09:57.00 | iflema | 2.2 really? |
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| 10:09.14 | Stummi | bjordon, debian itself lets the freedom of choice to you. However iirc there are some features in the gnome desktop that rely on systemd |
| 10:09.38 | bjordon | I mostly use xfce |
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| 10:09.54 | Stummi | you should be fine then |
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| 10:10.26 | Stummi | bjordon, personally, I recommend the aptitude TUI to unwire the dependencies between systemd and other packages. |
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| 10:18.12 | nevyn | pejorative much? |
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| 10:23.04 | rdz | hey all. i'm using 'ssh-keygen -A' to generate new ssh host keys on a virtual machine cloned from a template. does this result in secure keys, considering that each instance of new machine is cloned from the very same template? |
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| 10:38.34 | fishbulb | kevlarman: |
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| 10:39.42 | cpglsn | hi there |
| 10:40.14 | kevlarman | rdz: depends on how long the vm has lived since being cloned before the key is generated, but generally speaking no |
| 10:40.20 | cpglsn | i'm trying to set up the clock to sync with ntp in debian 8 |
| 10:40.48 | cpglsn | i saw there's NTP enabled:(which i set to yes) in timedatectl |
| 10:40.51 | fishbulb | kevlarman what was that command to add the shit to config.d ? |
| 10:41.10 | kevlarman | fishbulb: you mean sources.list.d? |
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| 10:41.15 | cpglsn | is there anything else i can do? Because it is still out of date :( |
| 10:41.20 | fishbulb | yes |
| 10:41.23 | fishbulb | :) |
| 10:41.46 | fishbulb | by (the wrong thing completely) I meant that correct one |
| 10:41.57 | kevlarman | fishbulb: echo "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozilla.list |
| 10:41.59 | vrdhn | cpglsn, command line 'ntpdate' works? |
| 10:42.01 | ChrisH | cpglsn: check ntpq -pn output, if NTP is working or not. |
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| 10:42.39 | cpglsn | ChrisH vrdhn nor ntp or ntpdate is installed, i'm trying to use the systemd's one |
| 10:42.40 | fishbulb | the documentation says nothing about mozilla.list |
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| 10:43.28 | fishbulb | HOLY SHIT. HOW MANY PROBLEMS CAN DEBIAN HAVE |
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| 10:43.54 | kevlarman | fishbulb: files can be named anything you want in sources.list.d (as long as they end in .list) |
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| 10:44.21 | cpglsn | ChrisH: btw ntpd -gq seems to stay there without exit |
| 10:44.28 | kevlarman | fishbulb: their contents will be parsed just like sources.list, but changes are easier to undo |
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| 10:44.37 | fishbulb | so how does it know to get ice(weasel dove ape tapir chupacabra whatever) from the right place |
| 10:44.51 | themill | you told it |
| 10:44.57 | kevlarman | fishbulb: that's what the url is for |
| 10:45.21 | fishbulb | what url |
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| 10:45.34 | themill | maybe you should take a break from this |
| 10:45.38 | ChrisH | cpglsn: I never used systemd's ntp, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-timesyncd looks resonable wrt config files. |
| 10:45.43 | fishbulb | maybe I should set your house on fire |
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| 10:45.44 | kevlarman | fishbulb: deb https://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 10:46.11 | fishbulb | I'm reading that! half of it might as well be written by an ice ape |
| 10:46.14 | kevlarman | fishbulb: it's the contents of the file that matter, not the name |
| 10:46.28 | fishbulb | ok |
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| 10:47.04 | rdz | kevlarman, thanks |
| 10:47.14 | fishbulb | in arch, this would be installed with ONE command |
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| 10:47.46 | kevlarman | fishbulb: and about 3 in debian if you stop being stubborn at every step |
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| 10:48.19 | kevlarman | rdz: a few years ago there was a security researcher that produced a router's private key from memory under similar circumstances |
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| 10:49.02 | kevlarman | at the end of a talk about the issues of generating long term keys on devices that have not had time to build up their entropy pool |
| 10:49.07 | bjordon | people can memorise pie |
| 10:49.49 | tx | pi* |
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| 10:50.04 | fishbulb | I totally already have memorised pie |
| 10:50.08 | kevlarman | bjordon: the point here is that it was possible to memorize all the private keys the device could produce in the first place |
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| 10:50.39 | rdz | kevlarman, so it would be more wise to generate the keys on an always-on machine and transferring them to the newly-cloned one? |
| 10:50.54 | fishbulb | hey if someone clones your machine |
| 10:51.05 | bjordon | NSA is where the real cracking happens |
| 10:51.18 | fishbulb | can that certain fucker use your facebook and gmail and shit |
| 10:51.38 | kevlarman | rdz: i'm not enough of an expert to say that confidently |
| 10:51.44 | p0g0 | fishbulb: if you 'saved' your passwords, likely yes. |
| 10:51.55 | kevlarman | rdz: for one thing it's putting a lot of trust in that machine |
| 10:52.32 | kevlarman | rdz: and if it receives little network traffic and produces a lot of keys it's very possible that knowing one private key could provide information about the others |
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| 10:53.01 | bjordon | The password is stored on a server somewhere so it's prone to being cracked |
| 10:53.24 | kevlarman | rdz: then there's the question of whether/how much you should trust intel's hardware rng |
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| 10:53.47 | p0g0 | fishbulb: I'm one who won't let the machine store passwords (that is, for example, when your web browser asks to save the password for a site, say). Your machine has to have hashes of the passwords it uses to authenticate you, so there is always some issue. |
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| 10:54.08 | koollman | kevlarman: how long does it take to build up an entropy pool ? (on a modern machine. without intel rng) |
| 10:54.34 | koollman | iirc, there's a lot of interrupt timing going into the entropy pool, too |
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| 10:55.09 | kevlarman | koollman: most of it comes from interrupts, so the most reliable source often ends up being the keyboard |
| 10:55.12 | fishbulb | because someone is still messing with my facebook account and gmail account and bank account |
| 10:55.16 | fishbulb | I can't figure out how they are doing it |
| 10:55.26 | fishbulb | but it makes me want to smash out their teeth with a metal pipe |
| 10:55.43 | p0g0 | fishbulb: you've changed all pws pins and tokens? |
| 10:55.53 | kevlarman | koollman: virtual machines tend to get a lot fewer interrupts than real hardware though |
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| 10:56.03 | fishbulb | yup pretty regularly, and have two step auth on most with my phone |
| 10:56.09 | bjordon | change your passwords to all your accounts and check for any network attacks or even local based attacks |
| 10:56.10 | p0g0 | fishbulb: keyloggers? |
| 10:56.27 | rdz | kevlarman, hm.. creating new hosts from a template seems such a common problem, yet it is so difficult to know what the best practices are.. |
| 10:57.04 | fishbulb | well this is the second brand new debian install, and I've unplugged my fibre router pretty regularly, changed wifi passwords, so my ip isn't the same and I use whole sentences as passwords |
| 10:57.48 | fishbulb | (my fibre thing changes ip addresses when you unplug it, it's the australian thing where they're converting the country to fibre and phasing out all copper, my wifi router plugs into that) |
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| 10:58.24 | kevlarman | rdz: one thing is to give them a script to execute on first boot that can delay their need to generate keys |
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| 10:59.09 | p0g0 | fishbulb: you can't reflash that router can you, it belongs to your telco? It sounds to me like you have a sniffer somewhere, malware or the like, somewhere. That is a guess, you may talk in your sleep for all I know. |
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| 10:59.30 | fishbulb | I'm the only one who lives in my apartment though |
| 10:59.37 | rdz | kevlarman, aha.. i'll look into that.. thanks |
| 10:59.44 | fishbulb | nobody else uses the internet, I never access the internet with windows |
| 10:59.57 | fishbulb | I have one windows machine and I play games with it, that's all it's for |
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| 11:00.04 | kevlarman | rdz: if you end up installing a bunch of packages before generating the keys, that will generate quite a bit of entropy |
| 11:00.07 | fishbulb | oh, and do some 3d shit, but it's never online |
| 11:00.19 | rdz | kevlarman, good to know |
| 11:00.23 | kevlarman | rdz: verify that disk activity generates entropy in your vm though |
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| 11:00.43 | fishbulb | I seriously can't figure out how someone gets PAST the two step authentication on things like gmail |
| 11:01.02 | kevlarman | rdz: also probably get the opinion of someone smarter than me |
| 11:01.04 | p0g0 | they have both keys. How they got them is a good question. |
| 11:01.19 | fishbulb | is it possible some fucking loser has like... an instance of gmail running permanently somewhere else? |
| 11:01.31 | fishbulb | and it's got the settings changed, and it's always logged in? |
| 11:01.44 | p0g0 | fishbulb: that would need some serious long term DNS poisoning I think. |
| 11:01.56 | fishbulb | I don't even know what dns poisoning is |
| 11:01.57 | anddam | I have an autossh instance putting on a tunnel between two debian machines, for whatever reason from time to time the tunnel goes down but if I connect to the host where autossh is started I see the process still running, it's like it cannot detect the ssh connection went down |
| 11:01.57 | kevlarman | fishbulb: gmail can give you a list of logged in devices |
| 11:02.03 | koollman | kevlarman: it would be nice to be able to give an external source of entropy during installation. (could be something as dumb as 'curl http://my.random.internal.service > /dev/random') |
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| 11:02.15 | anddam | I don't know how to debug this, i.e. where I should go looking for info, any hint? |
| 11:02.22 | fishbulb | yeah and gmail never shows me any other logged in devices |
| 11:02.28 | fishbulb | so I suspect it's coming through this device |
| 11:02.33 | kevlarman | koollman: that actually works (the write to /dev/random has to be as root) |
| 11:02.36 | fishbulb | I don't see how else it could work |
| 11:02.41 | anddam | fishbulb: what's the issue again? I joined late |
| 11:02.47 | koollman | kevlarman: I know :) |
| 11:02.57 | fishbulb | someone keeps accessing my facebook accounts and gmail accounts |
| 11:03.11 | kevlarman | koollman: the kernel won't trust that the data is sufficiently random so its estimate of entropy will stay pretty low |
| 11:03.16 | fishbulb | and I'm going to go and assault someone, hospital style, if this keeps happening |
| 11:03.19 | anddam | fishbulb: how can you tell? you just wrote gmail doesn't show any other logged devices |
| 11:03.48 | kevlarman | fishbulb: have you checked that your carbon monoxide detector is working properly? |
| 11:03.51 | p0g0 | fishbulb: the address book that you look up web addresses is your DNS- if that gets spoofed, your machine can get to the wrong machine, but in theory, the certicifcation will fail, and you'll not get logged in. What you may encounter is a bogus mockup that spoofs you into keying in yuor PW. those are more common but still rare and needs some mistake on your part or DNS poisoning to get you to that address. |
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| 11:04.05 | fishbulb | if you really want the story I'll tell you, but trust me, it's happening |
| 11:04.11 | fishbulb | there are fields that change to fagmail |
| 11:04.17 | fishbulb | sometimes the password changes |
| 11:04.24 | kevlarman | fishbulb: no seriously, go check |
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| 11:04.32 | fishbulb | sometimes they write things in the draughts in my gmail |
| 11:05.03 | fishbulb | kevlarman I pulled all the batteries out because I needed 9v batteries for some atmel based projects, so I can tell you they certainly aren't working :) |
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| 11:05.31 | cpglsn | ChrisH: it looks like the systemd version is too old ... too bad, but thank you anyway! :) |
| 11:05.34 | kevlarman | fishbulb: put the batteries back, you're seriously describing symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning |
| 11:05.35 | fishbulb | like I'm going to pay rent and not get free 9v batteries |
| 11:05.48 | fishbulb | kevlarman I am also telling you the shit they do |
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| 11:08.26 | fishbulb | trust me, I'm a paranoid nut, but I'm not delusional |
| 11:09.09 | fishbulb | not about this anyway |
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| 11:11.05 | ChrisH | cpglsn: then get the old-fashioned ntp and be happy... BTW, from my RedHat Training I thought timedateclt was a nice frontend to old-fashioned NTP. But having correct time is critical to systemds work and therefore it makes sense to integrate NTP functionality |
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| 11:12.07 | p0g0 | fishbulb: I'll guess that you have either been infected with some rootkit class malware, or there is a keystroke logger somewhere. That is a pure guess. |
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| 11:13.38 | ChrisH | ,v clamav |
| 11:13.40 | judd | Package: clamav on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb6u2; wheezy: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; wheezy-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; jessie: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 0.99+dfsg-1; sid: 0.99+dfsg-1 |
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| 11:17.49 | cpglsn | ChrisH: yes, but not even ntp was able to set the right time, ntpd -gq stay there without exiting |
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| 11:18.22 | fishbulb | p0g0: can you guess other things? I'll tell you what happened, this old loser parasite was in my apartment, he had physical access to my computers, this is how it started, every computer has been SO goddamn formatted that there is nothing possibly left, but this stuff still keeps happening. what could someone be doing that doesn't require physical access TO the computer to infect it? |
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| 11:18.54 | themill | fishbulb: that's more than enough. again. |
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| 11:22.09 | ChrisH | cpglsn: did you install ntpdate as well? If yes, run ntpdate -d XXX.y.z.a against one of the definded NTP servers. ntpdate -d is debug mode and shows some more lines on what happens. paste.debian.net if you want to share details |
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| 11:26.44 | cpglsn | ChrisH: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8855015 thanks |
| 11:26.51 | rook2pawn | i just installed deb8.2 and am using the default gdm3, however its not executing my ~/.xsession |
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| 11:34.22 | rook2pawn | ah realized i had to move my .xsession to .xmonad/xmonad-xsession-rc based on the contents of my xmonad.desktop |
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| 11:39.59 | fishbulb | "something kernel service is not running: exiting" |
| 11:40.17 | fishbulb | a little box appeared in the top left when I restarted |
| 11:40.39 | ompaul | cpglsn: please run this to start with: ntpdate -u |
| 11:40.50 | ompaul | don't define any servers see if it can find something, anything |
| 11:40.56 | ompaul | later we'll refine that |
| 11:41.15 | cpglsn | ompaul: 21 Dec 12:41:57 ntpdate[13588]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 11:41.31 | ompaul | cpglsn: what kind of lan are you on ... |
| 11:41.52 | cpglsn | mmmmm, do you think it can be the firewall? |
| 11:42.17 | cpglsn | ompaul: it should be open every outgoing traffic |
| 11:42.21 | ompaul | I'm thinking that, but I'm curious as to what kind of lan first. |
| 11:42.36 | cpglsn | ompaul: what do you mean? |
| 11:42.50 | ompaul | cpglsn: home, work, college etc |
| 11:42.57 | cpglsn | ompaul: work |
| 11:43.06 | ompaul | check with the firewall admin |
| 11:43.22 | cpglsn | ...i'm the firewall admin :,) |
| 11:43.22 | ompaul | they may prevent outbount for time |
| 11:43.38 | ompaul | ask yourself some deep and meangingful questions ;-) |
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| 11:44.07 | ompaul | what kind of firewall is it? |
| 11:44.13 | cpglsn | ompaul: i just replace the old IT admin, I'm still working to find out how to order this mess ::) |
| 11:44.35 | cpglsn | ompaul: no idea, i don't even know where it is phisically |
| 11:44.36 | ompaul | cpglsn: can you ping the outside world? |
| 11:44.41 | cpglsn | yeps |
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| 11:45.02 | cpglsn | ompaul: i'll try to investigate more if there was set some time limit as yousad |
| 11:45.04 | ompaul | if I was you I'd be hunting down the hardware |
| 11:45.21 | ompaul | it's not time limit |
| 11:45.38 | ompaul | it is ports broken because nobody needs to know the time |
| 11:45.45 | ompaul | why would they need accurate time :) |
| 11:45.48 | ompaul | etc etc etc |
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| 11:46.09 | ompaul | cpglsn: change nothing, document everything |
| 11:46.10 | cpglsn | ompaul: i already found some limit only in some time range ... |
| 11:46.16 | ompaul | start with the equipment |
| 11:46.22 | ompaul | then document the configs |
| 11:46.30 | ompaul | only deal with reports of broken stuff |
| 11:46.44 | ompaul | slowly undestand what they did, then config it how you need |
| 11:46.48 | ompaul | right I'm done with that one |
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| 11:47.25 | cpglsn | ompaul: thanks for your suggests, i keep ntp apart for the moment |
| 11:47.30 | cpglsn | thanks you all |
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| 11:48.15 | drathir | lol that bot is a little naughty one 11:12 -!- drathir was kicked from #debian by debhelper [NICK flooder] |
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| 11:48.35 | drathir | or better crazy one... |
| 11:48.36 | ompaul | drathir: no, it's logical. |
| 11:49.00 | ompaul | 1485 nicks in a channel ... some rules are needed even if they are inconvient |
| 11:49.10 | drathir | kicking everyone after netsplit ? that isnt noermal in any way... |
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| 11:49.56 | jelly | drathir: it did not kick everyone, just you. |
| 11:50.17 | drathir | jelly: was saw othet ppl kicked too... |
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| 11:50.27 | drathir | before me... |
| 11:50.29 | jelly | drathir: still not "everyone" |
| 11:51.12 | drathir | also is normal that ghost left person back to normal nick... |
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| 11:51.44 | jelly | drathir: debhelper can get confused during netsplit times, but usually does the right thing. Please move on, and keep to tech support. |
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| 11:52.32 | jelly | We have #debian-offtopic for topics outside tech support. |
| 11:52.53 | jelly | that includes ranting about how our bots are buggy. |
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| 11:53.25 | drathir | jelly: k its fine, only dont like punishments w/o any reason and bad behaviours from my side... |
| 11:53.37 | drathir | wishesh good day all... |
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| 12:04.52 | OdicforceSounds | hello. Is possible to select default python version 3.4 to use always python is called ? |
| 12:05.19 | ewew | hi. Is there a reason for /var/mail to have 3777 permisions ? |
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| 12:05.39 | ewew | or it is a hack from something ? |
| 12:05.42 | nkuttler | OdicforceSounds: update-alternatives, though i'm not sure if it's a good idea if parts of the system depend on 2 |
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| 12:05.51 | jelly | ewew: it's not a hack. |
| 12:06.06 | nkuttler | OdicforceSounds: actually, doesn't seem like python uses the alternatives system |
| 12:06.32 | ewew | jelly Tiger report this as problem. |
| 12:06.37 | OdicforceSounds | ok thank you |
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| 12:06.44 | jelly | ewew: what's Tiger? |
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| 12:07.32 | nkuttler | OdicforceSounds: if you're asking for a local project, maybe virtualenv would be an option |
| 12:07.35 | ewew | tool for checkin account,processes and etc. |
| 12:07.58 | jelly | ewew: URL? |
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| 12:08.23 | ewew | jelly http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=tiger&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en |
| 12:08.24 | bhuddah | mhm |
| 12:09.16 | ewew | jelly Other instalation of debian does not have write permision for other. |
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| 12:10.24 | ewew | jelly It may be work of sw related to mail services or sw retrieving mail. |
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| 12:12.13 | jelly | ewew: there are two possibilities for a sensible /var/mail permissions. You can have setgid, writable for group, but then you need setgid programs for delivery or locking, I don't remember. Or you can have setgid, set sticky bit, and writable for everyone, and then you need no setgid programs. |
| 12:12.40 | jelly | ewew: each possibility has some benefits and some problems. |
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| 12:14.11 | ewew | jelly Is a current setup a security risk ? It is separate partition with mount options. |
| 12:14.40 | jelly | ewew: no, or not a big one. |
| 12:15.00 | ewew | only using free space ? |
| 12:15.11 | ChrisH | ompaul: I was busy, but I see you pointed into the same direction. no ntp server seems to be reachable. |
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| 12:16.47 | jelly | ewew: the only major issue with a drwxrwsrwt 2 root mail 45056 Dec 21 13:15 /var/mail/ is on a multiuser system, a user can touch /var/mail/otheruser if otheruser does not exist yet. |
| 12:17.31 | jelly | ewew: potentially preventing delivery if otheruser is created in the future |
| 12:17.34 | ewew | jelly ok. now to find culprit of this change. |
| 12:17.58 | jelly | ewew: it's probably intentional or a very very old installation. |
| 12:18.13 | ewew | jelly No. deboostrap fresh. |
| 12:18.29 | jelly | debootstrap of which release? |
| 12:18.36 | ewew | jessie. |
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| 12:19.04 | jelly | ewew: was any MTA software installed? |
| 12:19.30 | ewew | jelly Yes. Dragged into system by some package |
| 12:20.32 | ewew | jelly I think it was exim4 |
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| 12:24.31 | ewew | jelly So things are good. No action is needed ? |
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| 12:31.37 | mcfdez87 | Hello. I have a directory with thounsadns of subdirectories. I'm trying to create a folder named thumnails inside if this subdirectories. I tried with for dir in */; do mkdir -- "avatar/thumbnails"; done, but not worked. Any suggestion please? |
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| 12:35.40 | aycsharp | I would like to update the kernel on my debian PC to the Linux kernel 4.3.3 I got from kernel.ubuntu.com this is to enable me use some hardware devices on my machine as the current kernel doesnt have some of the drivers, is there any disadvantage to towing this path? |
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| 12:40.34 | saedelaere | i try to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. followed official upgrade instructions. did perform a minimal system update with apt-get update first. that worked quite well. I had some errors about apache2 not able to reload because of dav_svn though. the real problem is I can't perform apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:40.36 | saedelaere | https://bpaste.net/show/64465e143e99 |
| 12:40.46 | saedelaere | initscripts are broken somehow |
| 12:40.59 | saedelaere | what can I do? |
| 12:41.14 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell aycsharp about bdo kernel |
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| 13:02.04 | saedelaere | I solved my problem by changing PATH to export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
| 13:02.15 | saedelaere | apt-get distupgrade starts now |
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| 13:10.08 | mcfdez87 | Anyone can help me please? I'm tryint to move all files from one subdirectory to a subdirectory of the subdirectory. I tried with "find */avatar/ -type f -exec mv -t */avatar/thumbnails/ {} +", , but not get results |
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| 13:12.26 | p0g0 | mcfdez87: any file manager will do that easily, to wit: "mc". Bring up the source in the left panel, the destination in the right, and f5 will copy it, assuming you have the permissions. There are a zillion similar tools, mc is just one of them. |
| 13:12.51 | mcfdez87 | p0g0, I'm using terminal |
| 13:12.56 | mcfdez87 | I have a server |
| 13:13.09 | p0g0 | mc is an ncurses tool, it'll run fine in the terminal |
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| 13:17.29 | mikkemu10 | does anyone know a way to use puppet ufw::allow to allow multiple ports for an ip? |
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| 13:22.42 | ChrisH | mcfdez87: mv * subdir/ |
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| 13:28.18 | ntz_ | hello |
| 13:28.21 | ntz_ | how do I print using apt what all repos it will attempt to contact ? |
| 13:28.32 | ntz_ | without apt actually touching them |
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| 13:31.02 | SirLagz | ntz_: check /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:31.21 | ntz_ | using apt-get |
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| 13:31.31 | ntz_ | gotcha already, it's ``apt-get policy'' |
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| 13:31.40 | nkuttler | apt-cache policy |
| 13:31.51 | ntz_ | ^^ yeah |
| 13:31.53 | ntz_ | typoi |
| 13:31.59 | nkuttler | though that contains more info |
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| 13:32.42 | JulianJr | Hello mates..I get this issue everytime I try to add a package https://pastee.org/rx3e5 |
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| 13:33.02 | nkuttler | JulianJr: did you try what that suggests? |
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| 13:40.10 | tabakhase | so is my bind9 configured strangely, or am i missing an apparmor rule? - "profile="/usr/sbin/named" name="/run/systemd/journal/dev-log"" requesting writes - if i permit it, its not actually writing anything - nor do i have any debug marks set (up to date 8.2debian) |
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| 13:46.35 | fishbulb | I think I screwed up the upgrading of iceweasel to "release" |
| 13:46.54 | fishbulb | some message pops up saying something about a terminal not doing something, and then closing, in the top right corner when the computer starts |
| 13:47.03 | fishbulb | or maybe, that has somehting to do with XFCE4 |
| 13:47.29 | tx | iceweasel |
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| 13:47.33 | tx | there's your problem. |
| 13:47.35 | abrotman | no |
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| 13:47.43 | abrotman | fishbulb: which version of IW do you have installed? |
| 13:47.45 | fishbulb | that's been my problem for a while |
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| 13:47.49 | fishbulb | I want it: GONE |
| 13:47.50 | mikkemu10 | how can I grab the default nginx.conf from the nginx package? |
| 13:47.52 | abrotman | fishbulb: and hdid you try safe mode? |
| 13:47.54 | fishbulb | and I want firefox to be there |
| 13:47.55 | tx | nods |
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| 13:48.05 | abrotman | fishbulb: you should probably use another distro. You're not suited for Debian. |
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| 13:48.07 | tx | Also, you do know iceweasel is just a repackaged firefox, right? |
| 13:48.23 | fishbulb | also, you realise that the shit that comes with debian, is like two or three years old? |
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| 13:48.31 | tx | backports. |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | fishbulb: you're done nothing but whine about your system. I can't figure out if it's PEBKAC,hardware, or Linux .. I'm leaning toward PEBKAC. |
| 13:49.27 | tx | or another distro. :) A lot of people use Debian because it's so darned stable / reliable |
| 13:49.36 | tx | it needs a lot of work to make it so, that that means freezing packages. |
| 13:49.43 | tx | and that* |
| 13:49.45 | abrotman | It really doesn't need much work to make it work correctly |
| 13:49.58 | abrotman | half the people that have problems in here have htem because they think they're smarter than they are |
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| 13:50.12 | Filystyn | Hello |
| 13:50.18 | Filystyn | HELLO i HAVE a problem |
| 13:50.28 | Filystyn | i need iceweasal to simply zoom a small picture |
| 13:50.37 | abrotman | simply zoom? |
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| 13:50.43 | Filystyn | yes zoom it |
| 13:50.46 | tx | Ctrl and + ? |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | that may depend on the original image |
| 13:50.57 | Filystyn | thank you |
| 13:51.00 | tx | No worries. |
| 13:51.01 | Filystyn | God bless |
| 13:51.24 | tx | abrotman, I was referring to the process of releasing Debian stable (from testing). |
| 13:51.35 | tx | the testing required by the debian team ;) |
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| 13:51.35 | abrotman | tx: Yeah, OMG, stability is bad ... |
| 13:51.59 | tx | I'm not sure what your argument is now. Sarcasm + IRC = yeah nah. |
| 13:52.13 | ntz_ | i'm frustrated .... I'm unable to debug where `apt-get update hangs' |
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| 13:52.17 | abrotman | SDNWOTN |
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| 13:52.28 | abrotman | ntz_: pastebin your sources |
| 13:52.40 | tx | Aye. |
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| 13:53.21 | ntz_ | abrotman: you won't be happy .... it's buntu of my box, I - pure rpm guy - have to fix it ... do you still want to see it ? |
| 13:53.32 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:53.38 | abrotman | if it's Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 13:53.39 | ntz_ | s/box/boxx/ |
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| 13:53.43 | ntz_ | **boss |
| 13:53.54 | abrotman | ntz_: right, so ask them .. they may have a down mirror or osmething |
| 13:53.55 | ntz_ | abrotman: I did, those ppl are hopeless |
| 13:54.09 | JulianJr | nkuttler: I did try apt-get update. |
| 13:54.09 | ntz_ | sorry, ok, thanks .... shutting up |
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| 13:54.14 | Filystyn | ntz_ sometimes you have to wait for answer |
| 13:54.26 | ntz_ | Filystyn: in #ubuntu since friday :D |
| 13:54.33 | ntz_ | for such an obvious problem |
| 13:54.52 | Filystyn | well is that official ubuntu channel? |
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| 13:55.14 | Filystyn | i ask since i do not know sometimes you need to check other networks |
| 13:55.16 | abrotman | please take it to #ubuntu |
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| 13:55.28 | ntz_ | sure ... I was only replying to Filystyn |
| 13:55.43 | abrotman | I know, he can go with you :) |
| 13:55.47 | Filystyn | ntz_ do not worry and reply even if ops coem nothign will happen |
| 13:55.58 | ntz_ | thanks guys !!!! |
| 13:56.01 | Filystyn | NP |
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| 14:02.37 | l0st | hey, is there any channels aimed towards users who 'roll there own', as in start with a netinst? |
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| 14:13.37 | winem_ | hi, I have a strange issue and could need some help or at least a new point of view. telnet 1.2.3.4 389 works fine. I see the traffic on the source and target host in the tcp dump and can enter the shell. when I run samba-tool domain info my.domain I see a packet from the src host to the dst host port 389. but the tcpdump on the target host does not show any incoming traffic from the source host |
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| 14:14.10 | winem_ | so why does one command connectiong to target host:389 work and a 2nd does not? what would you do to identify the cause? firewall logs have been checked several times |
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| 14:20.17 | Aleksa | I tried to install Alpha4 of Stretch but without success. It cannot install software. |
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| 14:20.54 | teclo- | Aleksa: are you sure you're using the right repositories ? |
| 14:21.08 | Aleksa | teclo-, how should I know that? |
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| 14:21.20 | Aleksa | I selected us.debian* |
| 14:21.25 | Aleksa | mirror |
| 14:21.43 | Aleksa | I downloaded alpha4 from official site. |
| 14:22.37 | Aleksa | it also couldn't install grub |
| 14:22.40 | Aleksa | :( |
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| 14:23.18 | Aleksa | I tried to somehow finish the installation. How may I update GRUB? I'm having Jessie and that unfortunate Stretch. |
| 14:24.39 | Aleksa | Would update-initramfs -u nad update-grub update the GRUB to show both systems? |
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| 14:45.52 | Sicnus | so I Have an EFI desktop.. Dell Precision 7910 and am having a hard time trying to get Debian Testing installed. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 14:46.18 | anddam | Sicnus: yes |
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| 14:47.19 | Sicnus | anddam, sweet. care to share? ;) |
| 14:47.41 | anddam | Sicnus: sure, my idea is you should reveal some info on what the problem actually is |
| 14:48.26 | babilen | Novel approach! |
| 14:48.29 | Sicnus | anddam, I can install, but it won't boot... |
| 14:48.30 | anddam | but that's just my idea coming from years of IRC and http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 14:49.12 | babilen | Sicnus: What happens if you boot? How did you install testing? (did you install jessie first and upgrade from there as recommended?) |
| 14:49.19 | anddam | babilen: over time I noticed it's hard to imagine what's on the other side of the internet |
| 14:49.28 | Sicnus | anddam, We have 3x machines the same exact type here @ work and we can't seem to get Debian to boot due to the UEFI stuff. |
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| 14:49.50 | Sicnus | Just downloaeded the iso's from last week DVD's |
| 14:50.03 | anddam | ok, did you install the uefi bootloader? |
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| 14:50.14 | anddam | it'd be a grub uefi thingy, IIRC |
| 14:50.20 | anddam | I have an UEFI debian host right here |
| 14:51.00 | anddam | I remember I had to read a couple websites to figure what UEFI actually was (possibly rod's book) and then it clicked |
| 14:51.03 | Sicnus | anddam, :/ Is it an option in the installer? I don't mind reading a doc or something if there's something you can point me to. |
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| 14:51.21 | Sicnus | Trying to re-install now. |
| 14:51.26 | anddam | Sicnus: honestly I don't remember, let me log in and check what grub packages I do have |
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| 14:51.58 | anddam | I have grub-efi-amd64 and efibootmgr |
| 14:52.37 | Sicnus | anddam, ok, let me google that bud, Thanks |
| 14:53.10 | anddam | on top of my head I'd say the installer would do the right thing nowadays |
| 14:53.36 | anddam | check if your efi boot order is correct, I don't remember how the command to interact with EFI is |
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| 14:54.10 | anddam | efibootmgr |
| 14:54.47 | anddam | so you install the grub-efi loader and then make sure UEFI knows it has to run that one |
| 14:55.00 | anddam | in my case I have |
| 14:55.03 | anddam | BootOrder: 0000,0006,0000 |
| 14:55.05 | anddam | Boot0000* debian |
| 14:55.38 | anddam | Sicnus: if you cannot run, goes into UEFI shell and launch the loader manually |
| 14:56.32 | anddam | in my case it's EFI/debian/grubx64.efi on the ESP |
| 14:56.56 | anddam | if you don't have that one (you can check it manually since it's a FAT32 fs) then you know you don't have a proper bootloader installed |
| 14:57.04 | anddam | well, at least you don't have grub |
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| 14:58.16 | Sicnus | anddam, kk thanks that was quite thorough. |
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| 15:00.43 | marus | is it a good way to add jessie Backports repo to source.list and then install a kernel 4 version? |
| 15:01.29 | babilen | marus: A good way to keep your old kernel? NO! A good way to install a new one? YES! |
| 15:01.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell marus -about bdo kernel |
| 15:03.03 | marus | thanks babilen |
| 15:04.42 | babilen | marus: If your hardware requires firmware you should install/upgrade those packages too (run "aptitude search '~i~n^firmware'" to list those you have you installed) and you might want to grab intel-microcode or amd64-microcode for Intel or AMD processors respectively also |
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| 15:07.40 | marus | babilen: thanks i A firmware-linux-free |
| 15:07.45 | marus | it's installed |
| 15:07.50 | marus | it'S a fresh install |
| 15:07.52 | anddam | babilen: what's a microcode package btw? |
| 15:08.04 | anddam | babilen: I mean I know what microcode is inside a computer |
| 15:08.39 | babilen | It updates your processors "firmware". You normally get that via mainboard firmware upgrades and the like, but installing one of the aforementioned packages is a very good idea because who wants a buggy CPU? |
| 15:08.54 | anddam | is that even possible? |
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| 15:09.05 | babilen | anddam: What exactly? |
| 15:09.15 | anddam | upgrading a CPU's "firmware" (I doubt there's a firmware inside the CPU actually) |
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| 15:09.33 | anddam | I'm reading the package info meanwhile |
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| 15:10.14 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/Microcode + https://downloadcenter.intel.com/search?keyword=Linux+Processor+Microcode+Data+File |
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| 15:11.37 | anddam | "The kernel is able to update the processor's firmware without the need to update it via a BIOS update" I didn't even know manufacturers allowed that |
| 15:11.55 | anddam | but I figure the more expensive devices get the more sense it makes |
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| 15:12.49 | babilen | It's something I install on all my boxes. I honestly don't quite understand why it is not more prominent knowledge or *strongly* recommended during the installation. |
| 15:13.10 | anddam | that reminds me of that VLIW CPU that could emulate other ISAs, and that was that succesful on the market that today I cannot even recall its name |
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| 15:17.49 | anddam | Intel's site refers to "Debian 3.1 Linux" |
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| 15:18.20 | anddam | is that "Debian with 3.1.x Linux" or literally "Debian 3.1"? |
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| 15:19.13 | anddam | ah doesn't really matter since the file is the same of "Debian Linux" |
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| 15:23.46 | marus | babilen: does my source.list lokk good? http://paste.debian.net/353412/ |
| 15:24.01 | marus | i've add non-free and backport after updating the kernel |
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| 15:24.41 | HicksD | On jessie with xfce, when battery drops below the power setting 10% threshold, it doesn't appear to perform the shutdown/sleep/whatever action was set. Just continues to drain until empty. Is there anyother setting needed for that to work? |
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| 15:26.34 | mikkemu10 | $ gem update |
| 15:26.34 | mikkemu10 | Updating installed gems |
| 15:26.34 | mikkemu10 | Updating bigdecimal |
| 15:26.34 | mikkemu10 | Fetching: bigdecimal-1.2.7.gem (100%) |
| 15:26.34 | mikkemu10 | ERROR: While executing gem ... (Errno::EACCES) Permission denied @ dir_s_mkdir - /var/lib/gems |
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| 15:26.50 | marus | or i have to add contrib? |
| 15:27.03 | mikkemu10 | https://bpaste.net/show/a08ffeaeebc0 |
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| 15:29.29 | babilen | marus: http://paste.debian.net/353418/ â use that, it allows for updates of contrib and non-free packages also |
| 15:29.31 | fishbulb | adsfads |
| 15:29.46 | fishbulb | update iceweasel to release |
| 15:29.59 | babilen | fishbulb: Go ahead! |
| 15:30.03 | fishbulb | how |
| 15:30.13 | fishbulb | I changed the whatever.whatever |
| 15:30.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell fishbulb about mdn |
| 15:30.14 | babilen | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 15:31.16 | marus | babilen: thanks already done |
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| 15:31.46 | marus | do i have to remove all new things in source.list after installing driver, and do back to the default sources.list?= |
| 15:31.55 | fishbulb | The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 15:32.05 | babilen | marus: You leave it like that |
| 15:32.14 | babilen | fishbulb: What did you do exactly? |
| 15:32.17 | marus | babilen: okay thanks :-) |
| 15:32.44 | fishbulb | I put deb (blah blah blah) in etc/whatever/sources.d/mozilla.something |
| 15:32.56 | babilen | .something ? |
| 15:33.05 | fishbulb | wait |
| 15:33.17 | babilen | You want that to be .list and not .something |
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| 15:33.40 | fishbulb | mozilla.list I'm pretty sure |
| 15:33.47 | babilen | The path is also not /etc/whatever/sources.d/ but etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:33.55 | fishbulb | whatever it was someone else told me the command |
| 15:34.01 | babilen | err, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:34.02 | fishbulb | yes, I don't remember, and it's not in terminal |
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| 15:34.18 | fishbulb | it's changed though, I didn't edit the original file |
| 15:34.25 | fishbulb | it's in another file in that directory |
| 15:34.35 | fishbulb | mozilla.list |
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| 15:34.50 | babilen | fishbulb: Could you paste the output of "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}", "apt update" and "apt-cache policy iceweasel" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:35.59 | fishbulb | as one line? |
| 15:36.32 | fishbulb | I just did apt-get update |
| 15:36.51 | fishbulb | then tried to install iceweasel like the instructions said, and got the error |
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| 15:37.30 | fishbulb | sources.list has not been changed |
| 15:37.39 | fishbulb | I didn't alter that original file |
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| 15:38.15 | fishbulb | I try not to mess with crap I don't understand, especially if I probably won't remember it |
| 15:39.05 | babilen | fishbulb: Could you show me the output? It would make it much easier :) |
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| 15:39.28 | fishbulb | yeah but nothing in there has been altered by me personally |
| 15:39.45 | fishbulb | that file is stock |
| 15:39.50 | babilen | Which file? |
| 15:40.17 | babilen | Why don't you run the commands I mentioned and paste their output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:42.05 | fishbulb | how do I find something that someone pasted a while ago |
| 15:42.13 | fishbulb | I'll be able to tell you exactly what I did |
| 15:42.28 | babilen | fishbulb: Just run the commands and we can take it from there |
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| 15:45.05 | fishbulb | http://paste.debian.net/353436/ |
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| 15:46.57 | babilen | fishbulb: Please create /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozilla.list with "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release" in there. Then run "apt-get update" and "apt-get install -t jessie-backports iceweasel" to install iceweasel |
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| 15:54.23 | fishbulb | can you give me one line that will create that please? |
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| 15:54.52 | babilen | fishbulb: You mean a command? Why? |
| 15:54.53 | fishbulb | leafpad isn't opening it and I don't use remember vim |
| 15:54.58 | fishbulb | I've been at this for too long |
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| 15:55.15 | fishbulb | it's really time to sleep, I'm trying to stop someone else from accessing my gmail and bank account |
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| 15:55.31 | babilen | You could use nano, but you can also run "echo 'deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozilla.list" |
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| 15:56.01 | fishbulb | if this gets any more irritating I'll have a clear view into my neighbours apartment through a thinkpad sized hole in my window and their window |
| 15:56.29 | Macsurf | hello |
| 15:57.16 | rsx | hi, GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub works as expected on a new installed pc, but GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX ignores keep or even test. Any ideas to solve this? |
| 15:57.22 | Macsurf | I have problem with compile of module for wifi usb card, I compiled all modules from rt2x00 directory but after compiled I don`t see k73usb.ko module :( |
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| 16:00.20 | fishbulb | permission denied |
| 16:00.24 | fishbulb | and I can't sudo that command |
| 16:00.35 | fishbulb | babilen: |
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| 16:03.53 | abrotman | no, your sudo command isn't correct |
| 16:04.31 | jhutchins | fishbulb: You do realise that there are thousands of people who have managed to do this without any problems at all. |
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| 16:09.08 | fishbulb | cool. well, I don't think debian is for me. |
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| 16:09.29 | fishbulb | turns out there's a ton of shit that's more than two years old |
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| 16:10.04 | morf | fishbulb: if you don't want to deal with these things, some easier debian derivate will be the better way |
| 16:10.12 | fishbulb | if arch is too much of a pain maybe fedora is the one to use, the fact that one button was supported out of the box |
| 16:10.22 | fishbulb | is literally the only reason I am using debian |
| 16:10.38 | fishbulb | that button can manually be configured to rotate the screen when in "tablet" mode |
| 16:11.12 | dslee | my gnome terminal version is 3.4.1.1. Recently I find I can't configure the related properties from 'Edit > Profiles > Edit' |
| 16:11.30 | dslee | New profile and Delete has no problem. |
| 16:11.38 | dslee | Any place I can check what goes wrong? |
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| 16:13.44 | marus | can any one help with this http://paste.debian.net/353449/ |
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| 16:16.57 | teraflops | marus: why ../? are you running a custom kernel or something like that? |
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| 16:18.48 | marus | teraflops: i've installed new kernel from backports |
| 16:19.10 | marus | 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 16:20.24 | teraflops | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:20.25 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.93-8~bpo8+1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.96-1; sid/non-free: 340.96-3; stretch/non- |
| 16:20.26 | judd | free: 340.96-3; experimental/non-free: 352.63-1 |
| 16:20.43 | teraflops | marus: do you use nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
| 16:21.08 | marus | yes |
| 16:21.12 | marus | it's installed |
| 16:21.15 | teraflops | from backports too? |
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| 16:22.21 | teraflops | also, did you reboot to pick the new kernel? |
| 16:22.37 | marus | teraflops: yes |
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| 16:22.42 | teraflops | yes to all? |
| 16:22.45 | marus | reboot several times |
| 16:23.11 | marus | teraflops: nvidia-kernel-dkms is not from backports, but i'm not sure |
| 16:23.28 | teraflops | it's easy to find out |
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| 16:24.56 | teraflops | anyway im just guessing but sounds logical to me to run both the kernel and driver from backports |
| 16:25.12 | teraflops | im happy with my intel gpu |
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| 16:26.19 | mano | how can i chnage my username in debian i cant chnage using usermod -l newUsername oldUsername? |
| 16:26.45 | marus | teraflops: http://paste.debian.net/353453/ |
| 16:27.27 | teraflops | marus: bad idea but I think is -l according to man usermod |
| 16:28.13 | teraflops | marus: why not apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms ? |
| 16:28.32 | teraflops | ups i meant mano |
| 16:28.44 | teraflops | mano: bad idea but I think is -l according to man usermod |
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| 16:29.14 | marus | http://paste.debian.net/353454/ |
| 16:29.46 | teraflops | mano: i mean it changes the login name not the folder names right? |
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| 16:30.16 | mano | teraflops: yeah you are right i dont have any idiea du have |
| 16:30.43 | teraflops | mano: i think is a bad idea |
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| 16:31.20 | teraflops | marus: install it from backports then |
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| 16:32.26 | Fjorgynn | is it possible to use |
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| 16:32.41 | Fjorgynn | exim4 as a gmail smtp serveR? |
| 16:33.11 | mano | teraflops: the think is i have ubuntu machine and debian machin in my computer and i wuld like to ssh visversa with out any password like i have alradey edited host file acoording thiere ips and i would like to ssh ipaddress only instead of ssh username@ipaddress |
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| 16:34.20 | amdp | hi does anybody know how to follow this guide? http://serverfault.com/questions/604585/reverse-dns-ptr-for-email |
| 16:34.21 | mano | teraflops: so is this bad idea to have the same username? |
| 16:34.22 | mikkemu10 | mano: put an entry into ~/.ssh/config |
| 16:34.42 | teraflops | mano: theres no need to mess with changing usernames |
| 16:34.51 | teraflops | mano: as mikkemu10 says |
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| 16:35.59 | jhutchins | mano: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-change-rename-user-name-id/ |
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| 16:37.00 | jhutchins | mano: The correct way to do ssh without a password is to generate a key and apply it to the remote server. ssh keygen (follow prompts); ssh-copy-id <target>. |
| 16:37.35 | jhutchins | mano: You can also configure a username in.ssh/config |
| 16:37.44 | jhutchins | mano: On a per-host basis. |
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| 16:38.10 | mano | teraflops:~/.ssh/config is the best way i think how can i deal witth that? |
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| 16:41.00 | mano | jhutchins:thanks |
| 16:41.20 | teraflops | mano: it has no sense changing the username for getting ssh with no password |
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| 16:41.39 | teraflops | s/renaming |
| 16:43.25 | mano | teraflops: let me try .ssh/config entry |
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| 16:44.21 | marus | teraflops: do i have to remove the old one? |
| 16:44.39 | jpalmer_ | anyone know of an apt repo to get modern versions of dells omsa tools for deb8? Their normal repo only includes 7.4.0, which isn't compatible with a lot of our newer hardware. |
| 16:45.13 | jpalmer_ | My google-fu is failing, I can't find anything relevant for the 8.x versions of OMSA on deb8 |
| 16:45.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | how do i view old logs after they're rotated? |
| 16:46.01 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: zless ? |
| 16:46.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought they were binary now.. |
| 16:46.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | or, is that what the z is for? :P |
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| 16:46.25 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: which logs are you talking about? |
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| 16:46.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | i have no idea. when i journalctl -u myunit; i get nothing because logs have been rotated. |
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| 16:49.42 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: I've no idea what "rotated" means with journald. journalctl shows content from all the existing files under /var/log/journald/*/system@* for me, not just the last one |
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| 16:50.49 | teraflops | marus: I guess if you install the package from backports it replaces the existing one |
| 16:51.03 | teraflops | marus: as apt-cache policy points |
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| 16:51.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: that's why i'm confused. |
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| 16:52.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | i have a very... quiet... service. it doesn't usually log much, and can go days without a single line of output... |
| 16:52.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | -- Logs begin at Mon 2015-12-21 09:14:39 UTC, end at Mon 2015-12-21 16:52:00 UTC. -- |
| 16:53.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's what i get when i journalctl -u myunit; |
| 16:53.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | it doesn't even go to a pager. |
| 16:53.19 | jelly | Mine's... |
| 16:53.20 | jelly | -- Logs begin at Sun 2014-08-10 21:26:51 CEST, end at Mon 2015-12-21 17:50:58 CET. -- |
| 16:53.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | hrm :| |
| 16:53.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | this is a vanilla jessie install. |
| 16:53.52 | jelly | I tried "journalctl -u cron" |
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| 16:54.36 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: by default it shows all logs even rotated ones |
| 16:54.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | teraflops: then why isn't it showing rotated ones for me? |
| 16:55.07 | jelly | it does not seem to think there are any? |
| 16:55.10 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: no clue, how it looks yout joutnalctl.conf? |
| 16:55.14 | teraflops | your* |
| 16:55.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | and by 'for me' i mean on any of the dozens of servers we're running vanilla jessie on :P |
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| 16:56.01 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: show the output of "strace -eopen journalctl -u cron |head" and "ls -la /var/log/journald/*/" |
| 16:56.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | my journalctl.conf is all commented out. |
| 16:56.08 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: im asking how it looks /your/ because mine is not the default one |
| 16:56.16 | teraflops | ok |
| 16:56.23 | teraflops | all of it? heh |
| 16:56.29 | teraflops | as in being blank? |
| 16:57.00 | jelly | Mine has [Journal] uncommented! |
| 16:57.04 | teraflops | heh |
| 16:57.12 | mano | jhutchins:were can i find my openssh port and Local ssh private key file location path |
| 16:57.23 | teraflops | mine is doing persistent and no syslog at all |
| 16:57.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | http://pastebin.com/Yhe49wp1 |
| 16:57.55 | jelly | loves rsyslog and remote logging |
| 16:58.09 | mano | teraflops:were can i find my openssh port and Local ssh private key file location path |
| 16:58.19 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:58.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:58.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | $ sudo ls -la /var/log/journald/*/ |
| 16:58.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | ls: cannot access /var/log/journald/*/: No such file or directory |
| 16:58.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | (my logs get written to /var/log/messages) |
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| 16:59.03 | jelly | mano: /etc/ssh/sshd_config is where ssh service is configured. There's a man page, too: man sshd_config |
| 16:59.32 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: do you have anything in /var/log/journald ? |
| 16:59.38 | teraflops | mano: i bet you use the 22 tcp port, for the latter take a look at a sane ssh tutorial |
| 16:59.48 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: does the directory even exist? |
| 16:59.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | /var/log/journald doesn't exist. |
| 17:00.04 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: well, dammit, how do you expect journald to work at all? |
| 17:00.04 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: because your journal is not persistent at all |
| 17:00.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | my /var/log/messages gets rotated to /var/log/messages-date |
| 17:00.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: i have no idea. journalctl -u myunit; works fine until it rotates. |
| 17:00.41 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: tha's why I tune my journalctl to something saner |
| 17:00.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | teraflops: my /var/log/messages is persistent. |
| 17:00.54 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: there's nothing to rotate. It does not save any logs to disk. |
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| 17:01.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: /var/log/messages is indeed on disk and being updated with logging data. |
| 17:01.18 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: that's not from journald. |
| 17:01.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | then why is journalctl reading from it? |
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| 17:01.32 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: it's not reading from it. |
| 17:01.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | then why does it fail to show log data when log data is rotated out of /var/log/messages? |
| 17:01.58 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: sure you just becasue you have ForwardToSyslog=yes and Storage=volatile |
| 17:02.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | coincidence? |
| 17:02.19 | teraflops | s/bacause you have |
| 17:03.05 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: enjoy your fisherprice journal :P |
| 17:03.05 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: your strace does not show journalctl even trying to read /var/log/messages, that is a file written to by syslog, not by journald. |
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| 17:03.21 | marus | teraflops: thanks it help ;-) |
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| 17:03.49 | teraflops | marus: sorry not meant to be rude but ssh config is not a debian question |
| 17:03.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: all i know is that journalctl -u myunit works fine until /var/log/messages is rotated, at which point journalctl no longer works. |
| 17:04.26 | jelly | mano: in the future, please avoid repeating the same question and highlighting different people. Let anyone answer if they know and are available. |
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| 17:04.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | so it's possible that rotating /var/log/messages has nothing to do with anything, as correlation doesn't imply causation, but that would be weird. |
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| 17:05.13 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: that's correct. |
| 17:05.29 | marus | teraflops: i'm talking about nvidia not ssh :-) |
| 17:05.32 | teraflops | ah |
| 17:05.37 | teraflops | oh damn |
| 17:05.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | i mean, it's very consistent. journalctl shows output fine, logs get rotated, journalctl shows nothing. very consistently. |
| 17:05.51 | teraflops | marus: np, it worked? |
| 17:06.15 | marus | teraflops: yes, now i can modeprob nvidia |
| 17:06.30 | marus | teraflops, do you have an idea how to verify cuda is working? |
| 17:06.38 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: just set it up to your liking |
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| 17:06.55 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: lots of stuff gets done in the cron.daily task, among other things logrotate deals with syslog files |
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| 17:07.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah. |
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| 17:07.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | i just didn't expect the same threshold would apply to rotating all logs, or that all logs would fill up at the same rate... |
| 17:07.48 | teraflops | marus: yes just start minning crytpocoins :P |
| 17:07.58 | marus | lol |
| 17:08.37 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: yeah no, these are almost completely separate (apart from journald being able to forward some stuff to syslog) |
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| 17:13.16 | mano | jelly: i know tvhe rule just iam reply on what they ask me |
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| 17:18.11 | johnfg | somiaj: Well, my machine got through maybe 1/2 - 2/3 of the booting process, then put a bunch of irq errors up on the screen. |
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| 17:18.31 | johnfg | I had to crash myself, and can't get back until a bit later today. |
| 17:18.56 | jelly | mano: ah, alright. Which OS and ssh client software are you using to connect to the ssh server, is it Debian and openssh as well or something else? |
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| 17:25.45 | johnfg | I'm wondering if I should just wipe out those files that are in /boot, and do the reinstall of the linux-image again. |
| 17:26.01 | johnfg | It's tough to see what's actually causing the problems. |
| 17:26.20 | johnfg | Also, is #debian logged anywhere? |
| 17:27.24 | johnfg | Because I was in a chroot environment last night, I didn't have my session logged, as I usually do. |
| 17:27.38 | mano | jelly:i am using debian and i want to connect to ubuntu machine visversa i have openssh |
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| 17:29.52 | johnfg | Just got it from topic, so no need to respond to the question about the logging. |
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| 17:30.51 | mrbl0nd3 | hi, |
| 17:31.03 | mrbl0nd3 | debian is op |
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| 17:33.19 | mrbl0nd3 | hi |
| 17:33.33 | johnfg | interesting. I was on last night, 20151220, but it's not in the log for that day. |
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| 17:34.23 | mrbl0nd3 | interesting |
| 17:34.29 | mrbl0nd3 | tell me more |
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| 17:36.21 | johnfg | That was around 2200 until after 000, on the 21st, Mountain Standard Time. So maybe the log will be available later? What time is the log based on? |
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| 17:37.26 | jelly | mano: then you basically just run "ssh-keygen" and press enter a couple times to create the key pair, not having to worry about the private key path at all. |
| 17:38.11 | mano | jelly: i have already creat the key now i it seems solved thank you |
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| 17:53.41 | bytemonkey | got my answer from a top dev...thanks anyway. |
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| 18:26.05 | crayon | how do you re-merge split terminal windows? |
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| 18:26.46 | teraflops | crayon: where? |
| 18:27.01 | crayon | on my desktop |
| 18:27.14 | teraflops | using what |
| 18:27.27 | crayon | just the standard bash terminal |
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| 18:27.48 | teraflops | theres no standar bash terminal in the desktop afaik |
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| 18:28.11 | crayon | let me double check |
| 18:28.22 | crayon | youre right. using gnome terminal** |
| 18:28.29 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 18:29.14 | teraflops | crayon: you mean tabs? |
| 18:29.27 | crayon | yes, my fault |
| 18:29.44 | teraflops | hey |
| 18:29.47 | teraflops | heh |
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| 18:31.13 | teraflops | crayon: just open a new tab and drag the othe ones with the mouse to the new one i suppose |
| 18:31.21 | teraflops | other* |
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| 18:32.38 | crayon | yeaps |
| 18:32.40 | crayon | that worked! |
| 18:32.44 | crayon | thanks so much teraflops |
| 18:32.48 | teraflops | np |
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| 18:40.19 | metallic_ | Hello, I have a little question on the program «tar». I have a tar archive containing a bunch of files and a directory. I want to add a file to the archive in such way that the file rest under the directory in the archive. Reading the manual page this does not seem possible... Any ideas? |
| 18:40.48 | metallic_ | I am aware of the option --append aka -r. But they don't work this problem out, at leas as far as I know |
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| 18:45.05 | petemc | metallic_: if its not possible you should maybe unpack the archive and make it to your liking |
| 18:45.29 | metallic_ | yes, but that's exactly what I wanted to avoid XD |
| 18:45.53 | metallic_ | I have found myself in this situation some times now... |
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| 18:59.31 | jelly | metallic_: if you want to append the file with path a/b/c.txt to the archive, just make sure it's actually in the subdirectory a/b when you do it |
| 19:00.44 | jelly | metallic_: eg. if you have c.txt in current directory... mkdir a/b && ln c.txt a/b/ and then tar ... a/b/c.txt archive.tar |
| 19:00.55 | jelly | sorry, make that mkdir -p a/b |
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| 19:01.36 | metallic_ | jelly: the point is that the directory is INSIDE the archive |
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| 19:08.38 | metallic_ | The best I can think of is to unpack the directory within the archive, rearrange its contents and then append it to the archive again... |
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| 19:10.13 | jelly | metallic_: but you do know which directory it is. So just recreate the same directory path, put the file there, and tar it up |
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| 19:10.59 | metallic_ | yes, I am doing so... I expected a fancier solution ehehe. Thanks :) |
| 19:12.10 | jelly | you might have to tell tar specifically to just append the files and NOT the directories again |
| 19:12.33 | jelly | the name of that option escapes me, rtfm ;-) |
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| 19:13.34 | metallic_ | :) |
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| 19:50.10 | Aleksa | Guys, any guideline on topic how to bring newer version of package to stable Debian? (in my case, Jessie) |
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| 19:50.58 | Brigo | Aleksa, of course, simple sid backport |
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| 19:51.01 | towo` | Aleksa, use backports |
| 19:51.01 | Brigo | !ssb |
| 19:51.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 19:52.02 | jhutchins | Aleksa: What package are you looking for and why do you need a newer version? |
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| 19:53.03 | Aleksa | jhutchins, I need newer version of Cinnamon. The reason is that in this version I cannot set keyboard shortcuts the way I want. For example, I cannot use Super_R :( |
| 19:53.29 | Aleksa | In version 2.4 it is possible, I've recently tested it in Mint. |
| 19:53.42 | Sicnus | Anyone here have a stand-alone debian system that they have to upgrade via sneakernet? How do you get packages and stuff that you might want to get? |
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| 19:59.15 | rook2pawn | Sicnus: check out apt-offline |
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| 19:59.28 | Sicnus | rook2pawn, ok man thanks |
| 20:01.11 | jhutchins | Aleksa: Two things: First, Cinnamon in Mint is not Cinnamon in Debian. They probably have different default settings. Second, you're talking about a whole desktop environment, not a simple package backport. |
| 20:01.50 | jhutchins | Aleksa: You might try installing testing - but I would do so as a dual boot so you can still use the computer when testing breaks. |
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| 20:02.26 | Aleksa | jhutchins, I have tried it two times without success. |
| 20:02.47 | Aleksa | Testing is in Alpha. |
| 20:03.28 | Aleksa | First I tried installing from DVD image. It cannot install software (shows error right after choosing a mirror). |
| 20:03.31 | jhutchins | Aleksa: Sort of. It's testing. It's allowed to break and stay broken until a real fix is found. |
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| 20:04.10 | jhutchins | Aleksa: Also, the installer is one of the last components to be finalized, since it has to adapt to any changes made in the development process. |
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| 20:04.20 | jhutchins | Aleksa: Recommend method is to install stable then upgrade. |
| 20:04.47 | Sicnus | rook2pawn, not much out there in the way of docs about it. :/ maybe I'm failing at the google. |
| 20:05.04 | Aleksa | Today I tried for the second time to install testing, this time I used netinstall. I have greater luck today cause it didn't stop right after choosing a mirror, but instead, it downloaded around 1400 packages, installed something and showed exactly the same error as the first time :( |
| 20:05.34 | icecream | Hello, I want to give a user the permission to have full access to the /var/www/stuff directory. But he shouldn't be able to access other files/directories in /var/www. The webserver runs on the www-data group. How can I give the user access to that directory? |
| 20:05.35 | jhutchins | Aleksa: Could be that the mirrors are waiting for something. Again, the testing installer is not recommended. |
| 20:05.46 | Aleksa | Why haven't I read about it before? XD |
| 20:05.53 | Aleksa | Ok, basically I was wrong. |
| 20:06.19 | Aleksa | I need to install Jessie on another partition and then to somehow upgrade it to testing. |
| 20:06.24 | Aleksa | is that right? |
| 20:06.36 | jhutchins | Aleksa: That's what I would recommend. |
| 20:06.48 | jhutchins | Aleksa: We have the ability to dist-upgrade. |
| 20:07.50 | Aleksa | alright |
| 20:08.25 | jhutchins | Aleksa: When you're ready /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
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| 20:10.24 | Aleksa | ok |
| 20:10.27 | Aleksa | thank you! |
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| 20:27.07 | ori | when you have a bunch of old kernel image packages to clean up, is there a way to persuade apt to do the grub update thing once, rather than after each removal? |
| 20:28.34 | bazhang | tried autoremove? |
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| 20:29.21 | ori | yes, it's updating grub once per package |
| 20:29.35 | ori | i have >30 :/ |
| 20:30.31 | installPipelight | hi everyone. I am trying to install wine staging, but it doesn't work cause I have dependency problems. Can someone help me/hint me in the right direction? |
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| 20:31.28 | rook2pawn | Sicnus: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/apt-offline.8.html thats what i found in google |
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| 20:32.18 | installPipelight | apt-get complains that wine-staging depends on wine-staging-i386 and throws an Error: problems cant be corrected, there are defective packages |
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| 20:32.42 | towo` | installPipelight, you have multiarch enabled? |
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| 20:33.36 | installPipelight | I am now sure towo`. I use a 64 bit system, added i386 architecture to dpkg and have "contrib main jessie" in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:34.22 | towo` | installPipelight, normal you have to do apt-get install wine-staging:i386 |
| 20:34.50 | towo` | installPipelight, given you have done the adding of i386 and apt-get update |
| 20:35.04 | installPipelight | that throws the same error |
| 20:35.20 | towo` | installPipelight, and btw, since wine-staging isn't in debian, you cant get support |
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| 20:35.49 | installPipelight | I did dpkg --add-architecture i386, and ran an apt-get update && safe-upgrade. |
| 20:35.51 | towo` | installPipelight, what source you use for wine-staging? |
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| 20:36.57 | PincoPalla | ciao figli di mignotta |
| 20:36.59 | installPipelight | towo`: deb https://repos.wine-staging.com/debian/ jessie main |
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| 20:37.10 | PincoPalla | come va brutti bastardi? |
| 20:37.19 | PincoPalla | sto lavorando a roba che scotta |
| 20:37.20 | PincoPalla | baby |
| 20:37.29 | PincoPalla | non ti dico nemmeno guarda |
| 20:37.31 | PincoPalla | bollente |
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| 20:37.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | PincoPalla: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-920-002478-Keyboard-K120/dp/B003ELVLKU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1450730253&sr=8-3&keywords=pc+keyboard |
| 20:37.48 | LunaLovegood | Is there a strightforward way to set daemons' niceness values? (I want apache at +18 and postgresql at +19) |
| 20:37.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | your keyboard is broken. |
| 20:38.24 | PincoPalla | ma dio cane che cazzo di lingua parlate ? |
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| 20:38.30 | installPipelight | tpwo` i totally understand if this is not supported here, but I thought I might at least ask if someone can hint me what I can do. |
| 20:38.33 | PincoPalla | ma anvedi sti selvaggi da due soldi |
| 20:38.39 | PincoPalla | io nun ve dico |
| 20:38.53 | PincoPalla | voi state quà a parlare in lingue inventate mentre io lavoro a roba che scotta |
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| 20:38.57 | PincoPalla | s c o t t a |
| 20:39.07 | PincoPalla | bollente gente, bollente più dell'inferno |
| 20:39.08 | AvatarA | somebody ban this son of mignotta |
| 20:39.10 | greycat | LunaLovegood: in systemd.exec(5) there is a Nice= option. So if you're on jessie with systemd, you can do it that way. |
| 20:39.13 | PincoPalla | lol |
| 20:39.22 | PincoPalla | son of mignotta is too madre |
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| 20:39.32 | LunaLovegood | greycat: cool thanks. yeah I'm on a mostly default jessie config |
| 20:39.39 | PincoPalla | if(madre=mignotta){ |
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| 20:39.56 | PincoPalla | cout<<son=madre; |
| 20:39.57 | greycat | !it |
| 20:39.57 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:40.09 | AvatarA | greycat, don't bother he is just swearing a lot |
| 20:40.23 | greycat | Well, that's his warning. Now if he continues, he's fair game. |
| 20:40.32 | PincoPalla | im actually asking, avatar is just mad for some random reason |
| 20:40.40 | PincoPalla | ty for the advice |
| 20:40.42 | PincoPalla | i will go there |
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| 20:43.23 | towo` | installPipelight, wat does apt install wine-staging-i386 say? |
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| 20:43.38 | burrito1 | does anyone here use i3-gaps |
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| 20:45.29 | installPipelight | towo`, it doesn't install it. It says wine-staging-i386:i386 depends on libasound2-plugins:i386 which shall not be installed. Then it throws the error saying there are defective packages |
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| 20:46.45 | jhutchins | installPipelight: Not sure what you mean by defective packages, you could try aptitude -f install |
| 20:46.55 | installPipelight | towo`, if i try to used aptitude instead of apt-get there is a huge list of complaints, and it says a lot of packages were hurt. I think I broke something. |
| 20:47.05 | installPipelight | ok trying force install now |
| 20:47.13 | jhutchins | !it |
| 20:47.14 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:47.36 | jhutchins | Ah, there it is, greycat already did that. |
| 20:48.12 | jhutchins | installPipelight: I wonder if you had more than one release in your sources.list at some point. |
| 20:48.22 | installPipelight | towo`, I think this is too complicated for me to understand. Something is broken. I think I will just try to get a clean system again and undo all changes.. :( Thanks a lot for trying to help me out |
| 20:48.35 | installPipelight | jhutchins, I don't think so. |
| 20:48.52 | towo` | installPipelight, report it to the wine-staging guys, it's the package from them |
| 20:49.04 | installPipelight | ok |
| 20:49.12 | jhutchins | !multiarch |
| 20:49.13 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 20:49.46 | installPipelight | I will read up on multiarch. However I ran both commands mentioned here. |
| 20:50.29 | installPipelight | towo`, is there a way to change the lanuage of what apt-get or aptitude output? |
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| 20:50.52 | installPipelight | so that I can include that in an issue on wine-staging |
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| 20:54.48 | towo` | installPipelight, put LANG=C in front of your commands |
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| 20:55.31 | installPipelight | towo`, perfect - thanks a lot :) |
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| 21:00.36 | jhutchins | ,v git |
| 21:00.37 | judd | Package: git on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1; sid: 1:2.6.4-1; stretch: 1:2.6.4-1; experimental: 1:2.7.0~rc0+next.20151210-1 |
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| 21:25.51 | master | hello. just wanted to make you aware that while causing many problems for users and downstream distributions like kali, splitting perldoc from perl violates the PSF's license and opens debian to liability |
| 21:26.12 | master | could someone please make the maintainers aware of this? |
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| 21:27.41 | greycat | I am looking at /usr/share/doc/perl/copyright and it says you are free to distribute Perl under the GPL (version 1 or later) or under the Artistic License. |
| 21:28.02 | master | that is correct but irrelevant |
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| 21:28.21 | greycat | It seems fairly relevant. |
| 21:28.44 | master | are you a maintainer? |
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| 21:29.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | that is irrelevant. |
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| 21:30.45 | master | It is entirely relevant, the distro is in violation of the license agreements afforded, you do not have permission to split perl from perldoc and still call both perl. |
| 21:31.29 | master | If you believe you have that permission can I see what you base that on? |
| 21:31.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | more specifically, whether or not greycat is a maintainer is irrelevant to the licensing issues being discussed, and more specifically, to the claim that perl may be distributed under the GPL or under the Artistic License. |
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| 21:32.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | that being said, i'm not a maintainer, but i am also curious as to why it's irrelevant that perl may be distributed under the Artistic License. |
| 21:32.58 | master | How would I contact the appropriate distro maintainer? |
| 21:33.18 | greycat | I was actually focusing on the GPL part, simply because I know the GPL better than I know the Artistic License. There is nothing in the GPL that says you have to distribute upstream's documentation in the same bundle, or at all. Only source code is mandated. |
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| 21:33.46 | nkuttler | master: if this was an issue the copyright holders could just contact debian.. |
| 21:34.00 | master | perldoc is part of the perl distribution. if you have derivative works you may attribute it to the PSF but you may not call it the same product. |
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| 21:34.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | i just read through the Artistic License and it too seems to permit splitting the documentation from the source. |
| 21:34.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | neither license seems to restrict what you call it. |
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| 21:35.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | too bad, maintainer info url was in my clipboard: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/perl |
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| 21:37.36 | new2this | has anyone here managed to install clipgrab using deb packages instead of compiling it? |
| 21:37.50 | new2this | clipgrab on jessie, that is |
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| 21:50.16 | metallic_ | I have a little question on BASH functioning... I want to execute a program for every file in a directory and if the program exits with a non-zero value warn. I have this: http://paste.debian.net/353771/ the order «some-program < "$file"» should return 0 for every file and therefore show nothing on the console, but it does show some output though when performed manually on every file it does not :/. Please, tell me what I am |
| 21:50.16 | metallic_ | doing wrong |
| 21:50.44 | greycat | for f in *; do myprogram "$f" || echo "warn"; done |
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| 21:50.56 | metallic_ | that's exactly what I have |
| 21:51.03 | metallic_ | and does not work :( |
| 21:51.27 | metallic_ | I looked up the bash manual page and could not work it out |
| 21:51.53 | greycat | Why do you think that the output you got is wrong? |
| 21:52.23 | metallic_ | because when I execute the program for every file manually, it does not |
| 21:52.45 | greycat | What is the program in question? Does it have any randomness? |
| 21:52.47 | metallic_ | I mean, ./my-program < actual-name-of-file |
| 21:52.52 | metallic_ | no |
| 21:53.05 | metallic_ | just a program of mine, a simple parser |
| 21:53.06 | themill | a race condition on files being created/deleted? |
| 21:53.42 | metallic_ | ok, I didn't understand that themill ^^' |
| 21:54.02 | greycat | One of the ways your program could produce different results across multiple runs with the same input. |
| 21:54.07 | themill | metallic_: is this a directory full of files that are being created and deleted? |
| 21:54.13 | metallic_ | no |
| 21:54.30 | metallic_ | it is a very simple scenario themill, VERY simple |
| 21:54.45 | metallic_ | I am a beginner at BASH scripting |
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| 21:55.03 | greycat | Then the problem is more likely to be in that parser than in the bash for loop. |
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| 21:56.55 | jhutchins | metallic_: I think I would use find ... -exec ... \; |
| 21:57.14 | greycat | that's overkill if you aren't recursing |
| 21:57.38 | greycat | Especially since his parser requires shell redirection instead of taking the filename as an argument. |
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| 21:57.43 | metallic_ | i am rechecking my parser... Actually greycat said something extremely obvious that I may have overlooked at XD |
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| 21:59.07 | metallic_ | very embarrassing... |
| 21:59.45 | metallic_ | I only took care of the negative values at the return statement... |
| 21:59.58 | metallic_ | sorry ^^', false alarm. Thanks |
| 22:00.10 | greycat | You can't return (or exit) with a negative value. It gets converted to an 8-bit unsigned (0 to 255). |
| 22:00.17 | greycat | Just so you know. |
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| 22:01.23 | metallic_ | yes, I my two negative values to positive. But some positives are treated as success as well and that's why my program does not show errors on its own but exits with a non-zero status |
| 22:01.38 | metallic_ | I changed my two...* |
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| 22:11.41 | moozzz | hi guys! I have a debian testing and trying to get my bluetooth headset to work via bluetoothctl. Pairing and connecting worked well. However, I can make my headset to use the micro. I've googled a bit to find out what the trouble might be. As far as I got, bluez disabled this functionality as of the version 5.0. And so I've decided to find an alternative route by using ofono. Could someone explain me brief |
| 22:11.47 | moozzz | ly how to adjust the HSP/HFP functionality via ofono? Thanks a lot in advance! |
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| 22:16.02 | JohnTitor | moozzz: where did you read bluez disabled headset functionality? or you mean they disabled it in a2dp? |
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| 22:16.32 | moozzz | JohnTitor: I read it here http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/5.0/ |
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| 22:16.52 | aleksa | what should I type for getting autohelp from irc bot? I want to update from Jessie to Testing |
| 22:17.03 | JohnTitor | moozzz: yeah but you can use it in HSP/HFP |
| 22:17.33 | aleksa | something /msg dpkg... |
| 22:17.34 | moozzz | JohnTitor: well yeah... but pulseaudio does not recognize the bluetooth mic anyway... |
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| 22:17.35 | aleksa | _ |
| 22:17.38 | JohnTitor | directly* i have the profile just switch to in in pulseaudio |
| 22:17.47 | JohnTitor | to it* |
| 22:17.55 | jhutchins | dpkg: jessie->stretch |
| 22:17.55 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 22:18.26 | JohnTitor | moozzz: sounds weird ... |
| 22:18.27 | moozzz | JohnTitor: it still recognizes only the internal mic of the laptop |
| 22:19.08 | moozzz | JohnTitor: I thought of downgrading to bluez4, but it seems that too many packages are already dependent on bluez5 |
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| 22:22.28 | JohnTitor | i think dowgrading to bluez4 is not an option hehe |
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| 22:23.53 | moozzz | JohnTitor: that's true indeed |
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| 22:27.10 | JohnTitor | moozzz: uhmm |
| 22:27.16 | JohnTitor | ,v bluez |
| 22:27.17 | judd | Package: bluez on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.66-3; wheezy: 4.99-2; jessie: 5.23-2+b1; sid: 5.36-1; stretch: 5.36-1 |
| 22:27.24 | Devastator | stretch is the new testing? |
| 22:27.29 | somiaj | correct |
| 22:28.21 | Devastator | hum, I need to run iperf3 on several machines, do you think it's possible to build a live cd of stretch? |
| 22:28.23 | JohnTitor | moozzz: also it's fixed since v.5.24 according to the bug tracker |
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| 22:29.07 | moozzz | JohnTitor: oh, sounds nice. Could you send me the link to that tracker |
| 22:29.16 | JohnTitor | yep gimme a sec |
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| 22:30.09 | JohnTitor | moozzz: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73325 |
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| 22:31.26 | Aaaaand-its-gone | Hey, is there a place where I can check what hardware is compatible with debian |
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| 22:32.17 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: Not reliably. It relies on people self-reporting. |
| 22:32.38 | moozzz | JohnTitor: apt-cache tells me that I have bluez 5.36-1 installed. So it should work... |
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| 22:32.51 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: You can always search for debian+hardware or linux+hardware |
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| 22:33.04 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: Substituting specific hardware. |
| 22:33.24 | Aaaaand-its-gone | jhutchins: I did that but nothing useful showed up |
| 22:33.30 | Aaaaand-its-gone | I think the hardware is still too new |
| 22:33.49 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: What specifically? |
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| 22:34.02 | JohnTitor | moozzz: yeah I also see there (issue tracker) people complaining but it works for other people ... |
| 22:34.10 | Aaaaand-its-gone | intel core i7 6500U |
| 22:34.25 | Aaaaand-its-gone | and gpu is nvidia geforce 940M |
| 22:35.05 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: That's what, sandybridge? |
| 22:35.13 | moozzz | JohnTitor: hmmm... the bug actually concerns the HSP function in pulseaudio. It wasn't avaliable before. Now it is and I can also choose it. But the problem is that the bluetooth micro is still not recognized. Seems to be another kind of bug... |
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| 22:35.39 | JohnTitor | moozzz: yeah I get your point |
| 22:36.28 | Aaaaand-its-gone | jhutchins: this one http://ark.intel.com/products/88194/Intel-Core-i7-6500U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_10-GHz |
| 22:36.29 | moozzz | JohnTitor: I only see the internal mic and the monitor of my headset. But the monitor is definitely something different |
| 22:36.51 | JohnTitor | moozzz: no the monitor thungy is not related at all |
| 22:37.01 | JohnTitor | thingy* |
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| 22:38.19 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: Laptop? |
| 22:38.26 | Aaaaand-its-gone | yes |
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| 22:39.06 | jhutchins | I'd search the laptop make & model. Know that the GPU switching is very unreliable at this point. |
| 22:39.22 | Aaaaand-its-gone | it's this laptop Asus Zenbook UX303UB-R4021T-BE Azerty |
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| 22:41.36 | moozzz | JohnTitor: I found a discussion on reddit. HFP and HSP support has been removed from bluez5 and moved to external specific tools such as oFono. I guess I should try to adjust ofono somehow... |
| 22:41.41 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: To the googles! |
| 22:41.58 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: Laptops actually get a little bit better reporting. |
| 22:43.05 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: Debian will most likely install and run; you will probably get 3D working on one or the other GPU although you may need Nvidia drivers. |
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| 22:43.41 | Aaaaand-its-gone | jhutchins: so I should disable the the gpu on the cpu chip? |
| 22:44.11 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: I'd go ahead and give it a try, some people get 3D and switching working. Never know until you try, nothing to loose but time. |
| 22:44.47 | jhutchins | Aaaaand-its-gone: Maybe some other guy couldn't get it working, but maybe he was an idiot. |
| 22:45.18 | Aaaaand-its-gone | I will probably get it working, but it would be a pity if it wasn't using all the resources possible |
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| 22:57.51 | ewew | Hi. Does anyone have this error "Makefile:638: recipe for target 'stamps/get_udebs-netboot-gtk-stamp' failed" when building debian-installer netboot ? Thank you. |
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| 22:58.53 | Devastator | somiaj sorry to bother you, but is there a channel I can talk about debian live? or is this the right channel? |
| 22:59.16 | ewew | I need to figure out if is my chroot busted or its a problem in debian-installer sources. |
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| 22:59.30 | Brigo | Devastator, there is a #debian-live in OFTC network. |
| 22:59.42 | Devastator | Brigo thank you |
| 22:59.50 | Brigo | Devastator, yw :) |
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| 23:00.12 | Brigo | which installer? stable? |
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| 23:00.52 | ewew | Brigo chroot is sid and im builnd netboot for stable. |
| 23:01.26 | ewew | *building |
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| 23:03.08 | mrhanky | does using keyscript in crypttab work on jessie with systemd or not? i read there is something broken, is it still broken? |
| 23:03.15 | lesik_ | Does anybody here have a 3G/4G module in their laptop? After standby, the "mobile network" option is gone from NetworkManager for an undefined time, sometimes 5 minutes, sometimes 10 minutes, sometimes forever. Restarting ModemManager and/or NetworkManager sometimes fixes the issue. Please message me privately to not pollute the channel. |
| 23:03.24 | ewew | Brigo also it can find some packages and in util/pkg-list has two unescaped brackets. |
| 23:03.34 | Brigo | ewew, not sure if the installed is intended to be builded in sid ... |
| 23:04.46 | ewew | well it worked every time. This is the second time i will be rebuilding that chroot if i dont fix this. |
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| 23:10.52 | scrtsqrl | Hi! |
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| 23:21.49 | ewew | Does not anyone else know why its failing ? |
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| 23:44.21 | jasabella | hi |
| 23:44.45 | jasabella | i'm trying to install debian jessie on my laptop but when i select expert install, i get video problems |
| 23:46.02 | jasabella | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.14 | jasabella | video card is a hd4000 |
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| 23:48.35 | jasabella | oh and it's uefi boot |
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| 23:52.59 | JohnTitor | jasabella: tried booting with nomodeset? |
| 23:53.46 | jasabella | just found something like that |
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| 23:54.00 | jasabella | brb |
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