| 00:00.21 | baum | Shadow_7: 4.3.0-1-amd64 |
| 00:01.35 | Shadow_7 | baum: and freeglut, libpng, libglu1-mesa ... is installed? |
| 00:01.49 | baum | Xorg.0.log : (EE) RADEON(0): Failed to initialize glamor. (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed |
| 00:02.36 | Shadow_7 | baum: xserver-xorg-core has that... apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core |
| 00:02.46 | Shadow_7 | or at least has libglamoregl.so |
| 00:03.12 | tomreyn | baum: this will list orphaned packages (those no APT source is currently installed for on your system): sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions && sudo apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate |
| 00:04.39 | tomreyn | baum: also make sure your disk is not full, and maybe show the output of these commands as well as of "apt-cache policy", as well as "dpkg -l" for all relevant packages |
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| 00:06.43 | tomreyn | "apt-mark showhold", too |
| 00:07.18 | Shadow_7 | most times X not starting is just packages not installed. |
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| 00:09.35 | baum | Shadow_7: just installed mentioned packets(the missing ones), still the same error |
| 00:10.11 | baum | tomreyn: got enoth space on my disk, what should i look at at the spt-show-versions output |
| 00:10.13 | baum | ? |
| 00:10.19 | baum | *apt |
| 00:10.26 | Shadow_7 | baum: I normally have to compile stuff so apt-get install libxinerama-dev libxrandr-dev libxft-dev ... tends to grab the stuff I need |
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| 00:11.35 | tomreyn | baum: well if it generates output then make sure you really need tose packages in these versions and are aware of the consequences, since you will nopt get updates for these. |
| 00:12.02 | Shadow_7 | baum: otherwise apt-file is useful for finding missing files |
| 00:12.30 | tomreyn | baum: do you have a custom xorg.conf there? if so, have you tried without? |
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| 00:13.21 | baum | tomreyn: i don't have a xorg.conf file |
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| 00:14.57 | Shadow_7 | baum: if you go package wild you could probably accidentally grab the missing deps. but install kde or gnome is kind of a disk hog |
| 00:15.16 | Shadow_7 | baum: xscreensaver-gl might grab it and be less bloat |
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| 00:16.10 | baum | Shadow_7: xscreensaver-gl didn't grab it |
| 00:16.19 | darsie | I'm giving up. I can't install a version of wine that runs steam so I won't buy and play mass effect. |
| 00:16.48 | Shadow_7 | baum: which hardware? lspci -nnk && lsusb |
| 00:17.04 | Shadow_7 | actually gpu aint gonna be on usb... nix that |
| 00:17.06 | bazhang | darsie, did you get the winehq repo one or not |
| 00:17.18 | darsie | bazhang: I tried that, too. |
| 00:17.27 | bazhang | and? |
| 00:17.28 | markybob | darsie, there are a couple of "easy" options. crossover or upgrade to testing |
| 00:17.42 | markybob | darsie, i have crossover myself |
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| 00:18.37 | darsie | bazhang: It had to be stopped due to serious problems or so. |
| 00:18.47 | baum | Shadow_7: http://paste.debian.net/356972 |
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| 00:19.46 | darsie | markybob: My current error is: package libpng12-0:amd64 1.2.54-1 cannot be configured because libpng12-0:i386 is at a different version (1.2.50-2+deb8u1) |
| 00:19.57 | bazhang | darsie, so 'dont work' OK |
| 00:20.08 | Shadow_7 | that's a lot of cores... and radeon 7870 |
| 00:20.16 | baum | the radeon driver used to work a few months ago, later i switched to fglrx, the last dist-upgrade broke something - thus i'm switching back to the radeon driver |
| 00:20.48 | baum | Shadow_7: yep, quite a decent cpu for compiling :) |
| 00:20.58 | Shadow_7 | baum: have you tried: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 00:21.14 | baum | yes |
| 00:22.03 | markybob | darsie, oh, you have i386 and amd64 versions of it. dpkg -l 'libpng*' |grep ^i ...up to you if you want to remove one and focus on the other. building a i386 libpng12 will be a pain the ass, though |
| 00:22.39 | markybob | darsie, you can also try playonlinux |
| 00:22.40 | baum | Shadow_7: that was actually where i started |
| 00:24.06 | Shadow_7 | baum: have you tried nomodeset for a kernel parm? + firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:24.55 | Shadow_7 | baum: dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 00:25.42 | baum | Shadow_7: http://paste.debian.net/356974 |
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| 00:26.30 | SuperTramp83 | hi. I wanted to give a try to the nethogs utility but I can not run it as auperuser or suid root. I get the output: creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root? |
| 00:26.37 | SuperTramp83 | any idea anyone? |
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| 00:28.35 | baum | the output of apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate http://paste.debian.net/356973 |
| 00:29.28 | Shadow_7 | baum: looks like you're on the gles variant of opengl. apt-get install libglex2-mesa libgles1-mesa ... and some libcogl stuff probs |
| 00:29.46 | Shadow_7 | baum: libgles2-mesa* |
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| 00:31.08 | baum | Shadow_7: libcogl-common? |
| 00:31.28 | Shadow_7 | ,v libcogl |
| 00:31.29 | judd | No package named 'libcogl' was found in amd64. |
| 00:31.32 | Shadow_7 | ,v libcogl20 |
| 00:31.33 | judd | Package: libcogl20 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.18.2-3; sid: 1.22.0-1; stretch: 1.22.0-1 |
| 00:31.42 | tomreyn | baum: to ignore the i386 packages in the apt-show-versions output (sorry forgot about multiarch) and only show the packages you need to check: wget -qO- http://paste.debian.net/plain/356973 | grep -v ':i386 not installed$' |
| 00:31.51 | Shadow_7 | guess it's for 2.0 not version 20 |
| 00:32.37 | Shadow_7 | baum: for stable... libcogl20 libcogl-common libcogl-path20 libcogl-pango20 |
| 00:32.56 | baum | is running testing |
| 00:33.06 | darsie | damn, now I have dependency problems. It wants to remove adobereader-enu:i386 skype:i386 |
| 00:33.28 | darsie | libpng12-0 : Breaks: libpng12-0:i386 (!= 1.2.54-1) but 1.2.50-2+deb8u1 is installed. libpng12-0:i386 : Breaks: libpng12-0 (!= 1.2.50-2+deb8u1) but 1.2.54-1 is installed. |
| 00:33.35 | markybob | baum, testing support is at #debian-next on irc.oftc.net as per the /topic |
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| 00:34.15 | markybob | darsie, told you it'd be a pain in the ass. |
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| 00:35.21 | baum | tomreyn: tbh, i got no idea what halfe of the packages do |
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| 00:35.40 | tomreyn | baum; uninstall your outdated libamd2.3.1, install libamd2.4.1 which testing provides |
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| 00:35.49 | Shadow_7 | baum: same... just going by what I have on my system... which I compiled xorg on so probably not missing much. |
| 00:36.07 | darsie | markybob: Well, I'm not trying to build an i386 libpng12 |
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| 00:36.37 | markybob | darsie, you'll have to. that's the problem |
| 00:36.53 | tomreyn | baum: these packages are orphans, you should most likely uninstall them if you don't specifically know you need them |
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| 00:37.45 | Shadow_7 | or let deborphan tell you which are orphans |
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| 00:39.05 | tomreyn | well he has no apt sources configured for these packages, then he likely doesn't want to keep them |
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| 00:39.38 | Shadow_7 | he probably didn't get to testing without a sources.list |
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| 00:40.21 | baum | tomreyn: good to know, will be my next weekend project (reading into the purpose of the packets and sorting them out) |
| 00:40.25 | baum | thanks |
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| 00:41.02 | tomreyn | baum: so if you just do the libamd package now this may very well solve your issues |
| 00:41.03 | Shadow_7 | baum: there's some jogl ones too for java to have openGL stuffs |
| 00:41.26 | baum | tomreyn: tried it, sadly it didn't |
| 00:42.13 | tomreyn | then my guess is on leftover files from the proprietary driver installation |
| 00:42.15 | markybob | darsie, apt-get -b source libpng12-0:i386 if you're still trying |
| 00:42.51 | baum | tomreyn: erm...my bad....rebooted the system startx is happening! |
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| 00:43.02 | tomreyn | good |
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| 00:48.21 | Shadow_7 | baum: xsetroot -solid Blue4 |
| 00:48.32 | Shadow_7 | if you feel yourself missing windows at any time |
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| 00:51.28 | baum | hmmm if i start lightdm neither keyboard nore mouse input is recognized |
| 00:51.45 | Shadow_7 | baum: if usb... unplug and replug |
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| 00:52.11 | baum | doesn't work |
| 00:52.23 | Shadow_7 | although haven't seen that bug since avlinux based on squeeze |
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| 00:52.55 | Shadow_7 | baum: an X crash does disable the keyboard and mouse though... perhaps that's the issue |
| 00:53.26 | Shadow_7 | does the capslock key still toggle a light? |
| 00:55.17 | baum | Shadow_7: no idea, i remapped the lights a while ago |
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| 00:57.23 | baum | tomreyn: Shadow_7: btw, thanks a lot for helping me out :) |
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| 00:57.54 | tomreyn | welcome |
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| 01:01.35 | baum | Shadow_7: got lightdm to work |
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| 01:01.50 | Shadow_7 | meh... waste of ram |
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| 01:02.11 | baum | Shadow_7: i got enoth :) :P |
| 01:02.16 | Shadow_7 | plus you sure you want a dm running when you've had X issues? |
| 01:02.58 | Shadow_7 | if you have 8+ ... boot puppy and run debian from a chroot in ram |
| 01:03.10 | Shadow_7 | make them SSDs seem slow |
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| 01:04.36 | baum | Shadow_7: i usually use debian as a host and copy the VMs into ramdisks |
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| 01:04.54 | Shadow_7 | puppy runs from RAM by default |
| 01:05.10 | Shadow_7 | don't even need drives once it's booted |
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| 01:06.46 | roenie | My nfs mounts in fstab with "auto" are not mounted at startup. They do mount fine with mount -a. The only explanation I have is that the network may not be available when fstab is invoked during the startup sequence. Any ideas? |
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| 01:07.45 | roenie | the system has a wired connection (which is working fine all the time) |
| 01:07.52 | darsie | markybob: That just produced amd64 debs: https://paste.debian.net/356975/ |
| 01:08.01 | baum | just out of curiosity, i could run debian (stable) and just get the most recent packets via backports right? |
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| 01:09.18 | darsie | markybob: Hmm, but maybe the same version as my i386 libpng12 ... |
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| 01:12.29 | baum | Shadow_7: oh, and by waste of ram you are refering to running the WM without lightdm? |
| 01:12.29 | Shadow_7 | baum: normally as long as you have a recent kernel, which you can make with make-kpkg... you're good |
| 01:12.52 | Shadow_7 | baum: start the wm with startx |
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| 01:13.55 | uxfi | cra1g321, |
| 01:13.56 | uxfi | he |
| 01:14.28 | baum | Shadow_7: hmm i see, are there any downsides by going stable compared to testing? |
| 01:14.53 | Shadow_7 | baum: not when it just released |
| 01:15.28 | Shadow_7 | in a year or two, the glibc, or some other thing will be too old to be compatible with new-ish junk |
| 01:16.09 | Shadow_7 | much like java needed 2.14 while wheezy was stuck on 2.13 in order for openGL to work |
| 01:17.34 | baum | Shadow_7: hmmm i see thanks - guess i'll stick to testing then |
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| 01:19.41 | Shadow_7 | ofc with testing something could functionally break or go missing for months at a time |
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| 01:21.18 | baum | well but that rarely happens, doesn't it? |
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| 01:21.55 | meshugga | good evening |
| 01:21.59 | markybob | baum, no. it happens pretty often |
| 01:22.53 | meshugga | i have lxc setup with "cgroup_enable=memory swapaccount=1" and it looks like the memory limits are partially ignored |
| 01:23.18 | markybob | baum, libc6 changes will screw it up royally for weeks |
| 01:23.20 | Shadow_7 | then again probably why I like all the old things that haven't updated in ten+ years |
| 01:23.20 | baum | markybob: wouldn't that break the neck of distros based on debian-testing? like ubuntu |
| 01:23.51 | markybob | baum, no. weeks isn't bad when you're doing a distro. you can wait that long |
| 01:24.18 | Shadow_7 | I though ubuntu took a snapshot of sid and made it tidy |
| 01:24.18 | meshugga | while lxc-cgroup -n infra-puppetmaster01 memory.limit_in_bytes shows the right value (around 3G), lxc-cgroup -n infra-puppetmaster01 memory.max_usage_in_bytes shows bullshit - around 8M, while a 2GB java process is running inside and an additional stress run with 10G also completed successfully |
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| 01:24.24 | baum | Shadow_7: the old things are great but there is also quite cool new stuff |
| 01:24.27 | meshugga | it looks like the accounting is broken |
| 01:24.42 | meshugga | does anyone have an idea what i could have done wrong? |
| 01:24.44 | Shadow_7 | baum: yes. but I don't have the hardware specs for a lot of those cool things |
| 01:24.56 | Shadow_7 | baum: or the desire to give up 15fps to run them |
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| 01:25.20 | baum | Shadow_7: by chance you are located somewhere in central europe? |
| 01:25.59 | Shadow_7 | nope, other side of the pond |
| 01:26.03 | markybob | baum, what does have to do with anything? i'm in the US and have a 12yr old laptop. |
| 01:26.26 | Shadow_7 | I have 1yo laptop, but it specs about what my 2007 desktop was |
| 01:26.32 | dvs | O_O |
| 01:26.33 | baum | markybob: i'm from europe and i got some spare parts |
| 01:26.57 | Shadow_7 | except for the dimming the lights and melting my leg hairs spec |
| 01:27.16 | meshugga | maybe someone could spare a jessie lxc container config with working memory limits so i can diff? |
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| 01:40.33 | brainware | #flood instead |
| 01:40.41 | brainware | hihi |
| 01:40.48 | piercedwater | can anyone give an intermediate user some ideas for hobbies relating to debian? |
| 01:41.57 | Logg | install a bunch of servers |
| 01:42.28 | derstrom | Configure postfix ;-). That's a real PITA. |
| 01:42.50 | piercedwater | so far these are all better than what i have been able to think of |
| 01:42.56 | derstrom | that'll keep you <s>entertained</s> for hours |
| 01:43.17 | derstrom | if you start pulling your hair out don't blame me :) |
| 01:43.23 | piercedwater | lol |
| 01:43.29 | piercedwater | i might add the one to the bottom of the list |
| 01:43.41 | baum | try piping a 2end graphic card into a KVM |
| 01:43.47 | Logg | that's a good one |
| 01:43.48 | baum | might keep you busy for a while too :) |
| 01:44.05 | meshugga | piercedwater: get a raspberry pi and raspian |
| 01:44.26 | meshugga | inexpensive, and oh, the possibilities :) |
| 01:44.42 | Logg | floppy raid |
| 01:44.46 | Shadow_7 | you can run debian armel on the B and armhf on the 2 |
| 01:45.16 | baum | get debian to run on your old mobile phone |
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| 01:46.23 | meshugga | ok, so nobody here has a clue why my lxc memory cgroups don't prevent a process from using too much memory? |
| 01:46.30 | meshugga | or how i could debug it |
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| 01:46.48 | derstrom | piercedwater: why not consider setting up a LAMP env with some virtualhosts set up? if you've never done it before it's definitely something that might come in handy in the future for more than entertainment |
| 01:47.07 | Logg | meshugga: you wanted an lxc config? if I have one, I'll paste it somewhere. where's it stored? |
| 01:47.34 | meshugga | Logg: no, i want not just any lxc config, but one from a) jessie and b) with a working memory limit |
| 01:47.45 | meshugga | *don't want |
| 01:47.46 | meshugga | sorry |
| 01:47.56 | meshugga | tired |
| 01:48.19 | meshugga | i have a pretty specific problem |
| 01:48.33 | Logg | "want not" is proper English too |
| 01:48.43 | derstrom | true |
| 01:48.55 | meshugga | Logg: interesting, thanks! |
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| 01:49.19 | derstrom | meshugga: "matters not" etc. |
| 01:49.28 | Logg | I think I installed from 8.2 cd a couple days ago, so that's jessie |
| 01:49.38 | meshugga | Logg, derstrom, is that without poetic license too? |
| 01:49.41 | Logg | and I haven't noticed any broken memory limits... my memory is functioning correctly. |
| 01:49.53 | meshugga | Logg: are you using lxc containers? |
| 01:50.00 | meshugga | because it doesn't sound like it :) |
| 01:50.08 | Logg | not to my knowledge lol. if it's not default, then "no" |
| 01:50.13 | meshugga | ;) |
| 01:50.21 | meshugga | i'm pretty far beyond defualt hehehehe |
| 01:50.29 | brainware | very slow new gnome on debian hah... but i like the future .. :( |
| 01:50.38 | Logg | Nah, it's not poetic, a native English speaker would say it, but I guess I would say it's more "proper" and less "casual" |
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| 01:50.50 | meshugga | Logg: thanks |
| 01:50.56 | meshugga | good to know |
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| 01:51.40 | Logg | basically "I want not just" is a commonish phrase when someone is a bit upset about what is being given. #debian-offtopic |
| 01:51.41 | Jef91 | I am building a debian package for a C application. Does anyone know of a good guide for getting a second package containing debug symbols built separate from my main package? |
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| 01:52.02 | Logg | "I don't want" would be more patient |
| 01:52.42 | Shadow_7 | Jef91: like stow? |
| 01:53.01 | Jef91 | Shadow_7, not sure what that is |
| 01:53.08 | derstrom | meshugga: "matters not" is a common phrase in the UK but is a bit formal. But this is terribly off topic now, moving on :) |
| 01:53.11 | markybob | Logg, no. you're just being too sensitive. that's proper english. deal. |
| 01:53.18 | meshugga | Logg: sorry, didn't mean to sound upset although i am upset with lxc right now |
| 01:54.14 | meshugga | i built a whole concertation for lxc in my puppet environment and now i have to face the fact that i can't have working memory limits |
| 01:54.17 | meshugga | *sigh* |
| 01:54.41 | meshugga | I WAS PROMISED FLYING CARS |
| 01:54.57 | Shadow_7 | I was supposed to be living on the moon 30 years ago |
| 01:55.08 | Logg | why aren't we on mars yet #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:56.32 | Shadow_7 | We were supposed to have new sports in 1/6th gravity |
| 01:56.33 | meshugga | anyone here with any experience with cgroups? |
| 01:57.37 | Shadow_7 | I've seen them in my mount output |
| 01:57.49 | Resilience | hello, when I do apt-get update &&dist-upgrade I have: dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: // files list file for package 'g++-5' contains empty filename // E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) what's going wrong and how can I solve it? |
| 01:58.16 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 01:58.41 | Resilience | shad0VV, i do that I was just shortening it for writing it |
| 01:58.50 | Resilience | Shadow_7, , I do that I was just shortening it for writing it |
| 01:59.04 | Logg | accidentally 1337 speak |
| 01:59.08 | meshugga | Resilience: are you using any non-standard apt sources? |
| 01:59.14 | meshugga | if so, remove them, try again |
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| 01:59.44 | meshugga | there's probably just a broken package in some nightly repo you installed once upon a time and forgot about |
| 01:59.46 | Shadow_7 | !sources.list |
| 01:59.47 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 01:59.51 | Resilience | meshugga, nop, I have try a lot of times, since yesterday, I have donde apt-get clean, tried with sudo and with root and nothignworks |
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| 02:00.49 | meshugga | Resilience: did you remove all apt sources except those native to your distro release? |
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| 02:01.05 | baum | hmmm in theory using an lvm i could create a new partition, install a new system there and slowly migrate by using the same data right? |
| 02:01.05 | Resilience | meshugga, yes I have only been using my native soruces |
| 02:01.06 | meshugga | check /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 02:01.11 | Shadow_7 | no g++-5 in my jessie packages |
| 02:01.20 | Shadow_7 | ,v g++-5 |
| 02:01.22 | judd | Package: g++-5 on amd64 -- sid: 5.3.1-4; stretch: 5.3.1-4 |
| 02:01.41 | Lagz-Work | Resilience: are you using Jessie or Stretch/Sid ? |
| 02:02.17 | meshugga | baum: what do you want to accomplish? desktop or server? what kind of data? |
| 02:02.34 | Resilience | testing, but I asume this is not a release specfiic problem, but a general problem with a package, so the mechanics of solving it will be the same, cleaning soem cache or some pckages or something like that |
| 02:03.16 | Resilience | I have made this, and did not worked http://askubuntu.com/questions/591855/how-can-i-fix-e-sub-process-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-an-error-code-2 |
| 02:03.20 | meshugga | Resilience: have you tried de installing g++-5 before updating? |
| 02:03.48 | Resilience | I was going to do it, but it wants to purge alot of packets with * in it, let me paste them |
| 02:03.56 | meshugga | no, let's not |
| 02:04.11 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: try a: apt-get -f install |
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| 02:04.48 | Resilience | The following packages will be REMOVED: build-essential* g++* g++-5* python-ffc* python-instant* r-base-dev* and then I don't know if making apt-get install <whatever>* will reinstall anything or not |
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| 02:05.21 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: let it clean up... then apt-get update... and try to reinstall |
| 02:05.22 | meshugga | Resilience: will not, the * is not part of the package name |
| 02:05.24 | Resilience | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 159 not upgraded |
| 02:05.48 | Resilience | meshugga, so how can I know exactly which ones will ne purged? |
| 02:05.53 | baum | meshugga: desktop, i want to keep the data and replace my broken system with a new one, while being able to boot into the old system/using it in a VM |
| 02:05.59 | meshugga | Resilience: the name without * |
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| 02:06.15 | baum | that way the migration process could be streched |
| 02:06.21 | meshugga | baum: so it's about your user directory |
| 02:06.31 | meshugga | baum: do you know how to use lvm? |
| 02:06.33 | Shadow_7 | baum: you could debootstrap install to a usb drive while running the old system |
| 02:06.36 | Resilience | meshugga, have to go for a few minutes I'll be back, thanks |
| 02:06.58 | meshugga | Shadow_7: don't |
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| 02:07.21 | Shadow_7 | it's how I do all my install these days. |
| 02:07.32 | baum | meshugga: the user directory, /opt/ and a few other partitions |
| 02:07.37 | meshugga | nobody ever says "what a joy it was to run linux off a thumbdrive" |
| 02:08.07 | baum | Shadow_7: i don't trust usb-drives - ever |
| 02:08.09 | meshugga | baum: create new lvm logical volumes, move opt and home onto their own volumes, mount them in your existing system, see if everything works |
| 02:08.14 | Shadow_7 | well, you don't run it off of it long term. And there's ways to make it less annoying |
| 02:08.28 | baum | meshugga: and i know how lvm technicaly works, i'd have to read into the command set |
| 02:08.37 | meshugga | then create a new lv to install your new system in, do that, then boot into it and mount the opt/home volume there |
| 02:08.42 | Shadow_7 | like putting .mozilla type things in a ramdisk |
| 02:08.48 | meshugga | baum: lvresize, lvcreate |
| 02:09.11 | meshugga | those should be all you need |
| 02:09.19 | baum | meshugga: sounds easy |
| 02:09.22 | baum | nice |
| 02:09.26 | meshugga | maybe depending on how you installed your system, you may need resize2fs or similar |
| 02:09.48 | meshugga | lucky you, today all those commands work with on-line fs :) |
| 02:09.59 | meshugga | *nowadays |
| 02:10.17 | Shadow_7 | or unlucky since the US average internet speed is dialup |
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| 02:10.43 | meshugga | no i meant you could use the fs you're resizing |
| 02:10.49 | meshugga | you don't need to boot into read-only |
| 02:11.03 | meshugga | anyhow |
| 02:11.06 | baum | nice |
| 02:11.14 | meshugga | cgroups experts, please wake up and talk to me |
| 02:11.42 | baum | Shadow_7: i'll take your advice and pass on lightdm this time |
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| 02:12.42 | Shadow_7 | baum: I mostly avoid dm's because of GPU issues bitd. Like running the proprietary driver and every kernel update requiring you to re-install said driver to have a gui. Which you can't do when booting into a gui. |
| 02:13.30 | baum | Shadow_7: kinda wondering, which wm are you using? |
| 02:14.03 | Shadow_7 | but back then you had to run the beta driver for anything useful.... I run cwm (bsd origins, but has a from source portable version) |
| 02:15.09 | baum | looks nice |
| 02:16.03 | Shadow_7 | not much for looks, replaces the decorations with a simple 1px border by default. And what would have been icons on the decorations is key combos and mouse clicks |
| 02:16.04 | Hunterkll | Shadow_7, you don't know how to kill X? :3 |
| 02:16.25 | Shadow_7 | Hunterkll: bitd... control+alt+backspace a dozen+ times |
| 02:16.36 | Hunterkll | a dozen? one usually does it for me ;) |
| 02:16.39 | Shadow_7 | and kind of hard to kill X when it freezes your keyboard |
| 02:16.44 | Hunterkll | why does... wut |
| 02:16.48 | Hunterkll | what is wrong with your system |
| 02:16.55 | Hunterkll | why do you not have an interrupt driven ps/2 keyboard :P |
| 02:17.13 | Shadow_7 | Does anything these days? beyond gaming pcs |
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| 02:17.37 | baum | nice |
| 02:17.50 | Hunterkll | Er, well, I do video work |
| 02:17.55 | Hunterkll | but not on linux so out of scope :P |
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| 02:18.01 | Shadow_7 | I don't live in canada, and don't need that space heater masquerading as a computer |
| 02:18.15 | Hunterkll | Oh! You want hardware reccomendations |
| 02:18.21 | Hunterkll | uh, an i3 with a GT series graphics card ? |
| 02:18.29 | Shadow_7 | I do video work, but on linux. Just not for a living |
| 02:18.29 | Hunterkll | since you're probably not running gentoo, that should be fine |
| 02:18.31 | Logg | amd or die |
| 02:18.44 | Hunterkll | Shadow_7, Ah, I do real time 4K transforms/overlays with recording and streaming etc |
| 02:19.00 | Hunterkll | Logg, AMD drops my frame rate too low. bandwidth and IPC issues |
| 02:19.19 | Hunterkll | Depending on the gig I have either a dual E5 or an i7-5960X |
| 02:19.20 | Shadow_7 | I dream of one day having a 4k display. Since I can fit 405 lines of code on a 1080p display already |
| 02:19.22 | baum | amd is cool - unless you need performance |
| 02:19.27 | Hunterkll | ^ |
| 02:19.28 | baum | *shots fired* |
| 02:19.35 | Hunterkll | baum, not even shots, just truth |
| 02:19.50 | Shadow_7 | nvidia is nice - unless you need dependability |
| 02:19.58 | Hunterkll | dependability as in ? |
| 02:20.13 | baum | exactly that's why intel cpu & ati |
| 02:20.15 | Hunterkll | I run a RED encoder card (a rocket) and 3x980 Tis for my real time encoding |
| 02:20.16 | Shadow_7 | and in has and uses more than one screen |
| 02:20.27 | Logg | 4k monitors are getting less expensive. I saw an IPS dell hit 450 the other day |
| 02:20.29 | Hunterkll | .... i can run 5 monitors off of one card ... |
| 02:20.38 | Hunterkll | more if i do MST on the display ports |
| 02:20.47 | Shadow_7 | I can run 16 off of one NIC |
| 02:20.59 | Hunterkll | why are you running monitors off of your nic? :P |
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| 02:21.16 | Hunterkll | I do color calabration with low response time monitors for a reason ;_; |
| 02:21.23 | Hunterkll | calibration, even, if i could spell right |
| 02:21.28 | Shadow_7 | Would do more but Xdmx has a 16 count limit |
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| 02:23.36 | baum | Hunterkll: well proprietary drivers though |
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| 02:28.41 | Hunterkll | baum, I'm either in windows or OS X on this rig |
| 02:28.55 | uxfi | hey Hunterkll |
| 02:29.08 | Hunterkll | I haven't tried to get GPU under linux yet on this thing |
| 02:29.20 | Hunterkll | I don't know how linux drivers would handle 3-way SLI or if they even can |
| 02:29.23 | Hunterkll | hi |
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| 02:30.11 | Hunterkll | baum, the red 6K encoder card doesn't have official linux support yet at all, even |
| 02:30.38 | baum | Hunterkll: well guess you just found your next github project :P |
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| 02:31.02 | Hunterkll | baum, the one that makes me no money versus using this hardware to make me oodles of money? :P |
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| 02:31.59 | baum | Hunterkll: why for money? do it just because you can :) |
| 02:32.00 | Hunterkll | it's okay, you can't make me cry any more today - my ISP already did that when I read off a mac address and they said it was oracle. ... it was a 1992 sun lunchbox workstation :( |
| 02:32.03 | johnfg_ | hi folks |
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| 02:32.42 | johnfg_ | What config type file sets colors in a terminal? either console, xterm, tty, etc. |
| 02:33.22 | Shadow_7 | johnfg_: LS_COLORS |
| 02:33.47 | baum | johnfg_: bashrc |
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| 02:35.00 | johnfg_ | baum: I don't think it's where my colors come from on other distros. |
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| 02:35.58 | johnfg_ | I'm used to nice colors like when I do an ls, but when I upgraded to jessie, the color is gone. |
| 02:35.59 | Shadow_7 | johnfg_: $LS_COLORS derived from dircolors or some such. |
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| 02:36.26 | johnfg_ | I've copied .bashrc and .bash_profile from another couple of systems I run, but still no color. |
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| 02:36.50 | Shadow_7 | probably need ls --color=auto |
| 02:36.53 | Shadow_7 | as an alias |
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| 02:37.10 | johnfg_ | I mean, I get *some* colors, like the green in irssi, but not working directly in the terminal. |
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| 02:37.38 | Shadow_7 | johnfg_: there's also things like $ export TERM=xterm-256color |
| 02:37.46 | baum | johnfg_: ah it's where you set the colors for the terminal emulator |
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| 02:38.18 | baum | johnfg_: like the terminal's color mode to use 256 colors |
| 02:38.32 | Shadow_7 | for emacs you can just -l /usr/share/emacs/24.4/etc/themes/wheatgrass-theme.el |
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| 02:42.19 | TheWarden | Can anyone help me with a systemd error message. It seem so dang simple yet I don't know how to resolve the issue. I'm trying to setup a minecraft.service file and I receive the following when I run systemctl start minecraft.service |
| 02:42.27 | TheWarden | Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory |
| 02:42.35 | TheWarden | Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /opt/minecraft/mcrcon: No such file or directory |
| 02:42.40 | TheWarden | ls -ld /usr/bin/java returns lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Dec 18 21:30 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java |
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| 02:42.48 | TheWarden | ls -ld /opt/minecraft/mcrcon returns -rwxr-xr-x 1 minecraft minecraft 16880 Dec 29 20:30 /opt/minecraft/mcrcon |
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| 02:43.34 | TheWarden | minecraft.service contains this https://gist.github.com/thewarden/6a1abf029a2f2fdaf7ee |
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| 03:03.10 | ashes__ | hello, anyone know anything about installing spca5x drivers in raspbian? |
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| 03:13.08 | darkfires | anyone know why sys/auxv.h seems to be missing on debian ? |
| 03:13.22 | bogomips | Hello, does someone have an idea of when an apache version with http/2 support will be released as stable (like 2.4.18-1) ? |
| 03:13.40 | darkfires | the manpage for getauxval exists, and it's compiled into glibc..... yet it's missing all the header files relating to it |
| 03:13.43 | darkfires | on arm and x86_64 |
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| 03:14.18 | dvs | darkfires: Because the corresponding dev package is not instllled? |
| 03:14.50 | darkfires | what package is that? |
| 03:15.13 | dvs | dunno what package auxv.h belongs to |
| 03:15.15 | darkfires | it's part of libc... |
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| 03:15.23 | darkfires | and i have libc6-dev installed |
| 03:15.34 | darkfires | linux-libc-dev too |
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| 03:15.44 | darkfires | and the manpage for said function exists |
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| 03:17.10 | darkfires | ah whatever fuck this shit.. putting freebsd on it |
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| 03:17.16 | dvs | darkfires: libc6-dev-amd64 |
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| 03:19.01 | dvs | darkfires: libc6-dev-amd64 |
| 03:19.05 | darkfires | yeah |
| 03:19.12 | darkfires | some dirtbag debian developer fucked the package |
| 03:19.14 | darkfires | and it's missing. |
| 03:19.16 | darkfires | https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/libc6-dev/filelist |
| 03:19.20 | darkfires | says its on that one |
| 03:19.29 | darkfires | but it's missing out of arm and amd64 |
| 03:19.34 | darkfires | idiots |
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| 03:22.23 | DJ_Bitcon | hey isn't that /etc/mysql/debian.cnf considered as a security threat? Someone who have root access, can easily access all databases as a `debian-sys-maint` user |
| 03:23.28 | phy1729 | someone who has root access can do whatever they want anyway |
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| 03:24.27 | DJ_Bitcon | right, but they will need to turn off the mysqld DB, hard reset the root password and turn it on in order to access without that particular access |
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| 03:27.07 | johnfg_ | Well, it's neither .bashrc or .bash_profile |
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| 03:40.15 | harper | Is 500mbps good for debian server |
| 03:41.39 | meshugga | harper: probably faster than the used hard disk |
| 03:43.03 | harper | I have a raid 5 ssd array |
| 03:43.30 | meshugga | why would you use raid5 with ssds?! |
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| 03:45.09 | meshugga | that's like riding a lotus with one foot on the brake |
| 03:45.18 | meshugga | *half on the brake |
| 03:45.43 | meshugga | either do raid 10 or raid 1 |
| 03:45.57 | meshugga | something that doesn't require parity calculations |
| 03:46.12 | meshugga | also, if you have to ask if X mbps is "enough" - it's enough. |
| 03:46.24 | meshugga | especially 500 |
| 03:46.47 | meshugga | i operate a social network with 5 mio visits/month and stay below 300mbps /with/ images and videos |
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| 04:04.56 | Jef91 | So I'm trying to compile a debian package from C source. I see the source compile, but at the end of the compile none of the compiled files are added to the debian package. Just docs are contained with in it. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? |
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| 04:15.04 | narendranath_dut | Hi everybody |
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| 04:18.03 | BlenderPro | hi what is the recommended settings for mp3 files variable or constant |
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| 04:19.43 | Amun_Ra | BlenderPro: cbr for quality, vbr for size (ymmv) |
| 04:20.09 | BlenderPro | oh that's true |
| 04:20.17 | BlenderPro | I kinnda knew that years ago |
| 04:21.30 | hiya | BlenderPro, I would recommend using anything but mp* |
| 04:21.50 | BlenderPro | I was trying ogg but my mp3 player can't read it |
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| 04:22.37 | narendranath_dut | my debian jessie installation failing at the software update stage, i am including the 2nd dvd iso with the installation. Strangely all is working fine in a Virtual machine installation sans the 2nd dvd iso from which i am chatting now. Then why its not working in a normal install. Plz help |
| 04:22.54 | Amun_Ra | BlenderPro: see lame --preset help |
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| 04:24.15 | BlenderPro | Amun_Ra: does ffmpeg uses lame for mp3 encoding |
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| 04:24.33 | Amun_Ra | BlenderPro: no idea |
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| 04:28.55 | Amun_Ra | narendranath_dut: I've never used multiple dvds on install, what's the error? |
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| 04:46.12 | BlenderPro | how to access my cellphone files with a usb cable connected to my desktop using debian hello |
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| 04:47.14 | hiya | BlenderPro, plug in and then you see the drive pop up notification you click opne |
| 04:47.37 | BlenderPro | hi hiya no notification or new drive on file manager |
| 04:47.43 | BlenderPro | hiya: it started charging just |
| 04:48.26 | BlenderPro | is a lg-d415 |
| 04:48.40 | BlenderPro | only able to access tru bluetooth but no bt on my pc |
| 04:50.00 | hiya | BlenderPro, then use a Card Reader? or if your Debian-PC and Cellphone is on same wifi you can use a FTP server on Android and access on PC? |
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| 04:51.34 | Lagz-Work | BlenderPro: or an SCP/SSH client on your Android |
| 04:51.51 | BlenderPro | hiya: I never thought of that ftp |
| 04:52.03 | BlenderPro | Lagz-Work: that's out of my league |
| 04:52.10 | Lagz-Work | BlenderPro: or a file manager with SCP capability |
| 04:53.10 | markybob | Lagz-Work, solid explorer has an ftp server plugin |
| 04:53.39 | BlenderPro | Lagz-Work: scp is the file server on my cellphone I'm sure |
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| 04:53.45 | hiya | BlenderPro, is it Android phone? |
| 04:53.49 | BlenderPro | yea |
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| 04:54.24 | hiya | BlenderPro, do FTP :) |
| 04:54.29 | Lagz-Work | BlenderPro: SCP works over SSH, so unless your phone is running a SSH server, it wouldn't have an 'SCP Server' as such |
| 04:54.31 | BlenderPro | I'll scan its ports thanks |
| 04:54.46 | Lagz-Work | BlenderPro: personally, I'd use something like ES File Explorer from your Android and use it to SCP files to/from your PC |
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| 04:56.26 | BlenderPro | Lagz-Work: I haven't even activated samba |
| 04:56.45 | Lagz-Work | BlenderPro: samba? What samba? |
| 04:57.00 | BlenderPro | I think samba if for file sharing in linux |
| 04:57.12 | BlenderPro | I'm debian using |
| 04:57.17 | Lagz-Work | BlenderPro: no, samba is for file sharing between Linux and Windows |
| 04:57.31 | BlenderPro | oh I see |
| 04:57.32 | markybob | BlenderPro, that's not how it works or have anything to do with what we're talking about |
| 04:57.33 | hiya | BlenderPro, just install a FTP server client on Android and do it already |
| 04:57.46 | Lagz-Work | BlenderPro: you can use SCP to copy files between Linux and your Android phone though |
| 04:58.02 | Lagz-Work | hiya: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 04:58.03 | markybob | BlenderPro, do what hiya said |
| 04:58.20 | markybob | Lagz-Work, it's a phone, not a corporate network |
| 04:58.21 | Rusty1 | BlenderPro: i might start by typing: lsusb , in a terminal , and see if the phone is detected |
| 04:58.21 | markybob | jesus |
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| 04:58.24 | BlenderPro | I'll scan ports to see what's running first I hope I don't crash my phone |
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| 04:58.47 | Lagz-Work | markybob: why muck with FTP when a SCP file transfer is probably easier? |
| 04:59.17 | markybob | Lagz-Work, because it won't be easier for him. he obviously doesn't know what he's doing. he can probably manage ftp |
| 04:59.59 | Lagz-Work | markybob: right...I don't agree, but no point discussing it. |
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| 05:00.50 | markybob | Lagz-Work, he's running a port scan because he doesn't know if he has an ssh/ftp/whatever on his phone. yeah. |
| 05:01.06 | hiya | Lagz-Work, lol what? you are using it within closed network? Also the connection itself is encrypted with WPA2-Personal which is not bad at all |
| 05:01.37 | Lagz-Work | hiya: what are you on about? |
| 05:01.40 | hiya | if you are afraid your wife next to you in bed might spy on you |
| 05:01.46 | hiya | Lagz-Work, you won't follow :) |
| 05:02.22 | Lagz-Work | right... |
| 05:02.55 | Lagz-Work | I just don't see how setting up an FTP server on a phone is easier than installing a file browser, navigating to said Debian box, and copying files. But like I said. no point discussing this. |
| 05:03.06 | markybob | Lagz-Work, it's pretty simple. most personal wifi networks use WPA2, so it doen't matter how insecure FTP is. it's encrypted. |
| 05:03.32 | Lagz-Work | markybob: I'm not even talking about encryption. I'm just talking about the ease of use of SCP vs FTP on an Android Phone |
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| 05:04.09 | hiya | WPA2-Person with AES + long pass phrase = Secure only also mobile :) |
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| 05:06.27 | Lagz-Work | hiya: like I said, I wasn't even talking about encryption of the file transfer, just ease of use. |
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| 05:06.54 | hiya | Lagz-Work, so you think scp is easy? |
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| 05:07.13 | Lagz-Work | hiya: yeah. Install ES File Explorer, Add SFTP server, username password, you now have full access to Linux box file system. |
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| 05:07.36 | Lagz-Work | SFTP or SCP, I forget what it is in ES File Explorer |
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| 05:07.54 | hiya | Lagz-Work, is ES File Explorer open source or closed source crap? |
| 05:08.01 | Lagz-Work | hiya: it's an Android app. |
| 05:08.05 | markybob | closed |
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| 05:08.25 | hiya | ewwwwwwwww |
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| 05:08.27 | hiya | do not use |
| 05:08.55 | hiya | use Ghost Commander with STFP + Samba support |
| 05:08.56 | hiya | :) |
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| 05:09.07 | hiya | From F-droid or just download Ftp server app from F-droid |
| 05:09.08 | hiya | done |
| 05:09.08 | hiya | :) |
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| 05:09.42 | Lagz-Work | hiya: Ghost Commander with SFTP then. Assuming it works the same as ES File explorer, you add the linux box with user/pass, and then have full access to the linux box file system. |
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| 05:10.15 | hiya | Lagz-Work, Yep :) but ewwwwwwww @ES w/e crap you recommend |
| 05:10.27 | Lagz-Work | hiya: first one I could think of. |
| 05:10.48 | hiya | ok |
| 05:11.12 | hiya | Lagz-Work, Did you visit 32c3? |
| 05:11.17 | Lagz-Work | hiya: either way, using GC with SFTP Plugin is probably easier than setting up an FTP server on a phone. |
| 05:11.27 | Lagz-Work | hiya: no idea what 32c3 is. |
| 05:12.16 | hiya | Lagz-Work, FTP server on phone = 1 click away |
| 05:12.30 | rww | I use Airdroid on my phone. |
| 05:12.44 | rww | It's not FTP, but it works for moving files around |
| 05:13.11 | Lagz-Work | rww: sounds like some cloud based file transfer thing |
| 05:13.12 | hiya | Lagz-Work, it is CCC's annual thing where people come to show valour |
| 05:13.32 | Lagz-Work | hiya: no idea what CCC is either... |
| 05:13.34 | hiya | Which cloud drive / storage do you recommend for long term use? |
| 05:13.41 | hiya | Lagz-Work, Are you a human? |
| 05:13.52 | Lagz-Work | hiya: nope. |
| 05:13.59 | hiya | Ok |
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| 05:42.20 | bdog7 | I'm running Debian 8 Jessie and was wondering if you guys can help? I can't get album art search running? this version of debian uses Rhythmbox 3.1 and I'm running it under XFCE, what am I missing to make it work? http://s18.postimg.org/w1rgsx56h/Screenshot_301215_15_34_07.png |
| 05:42.20 | michelle---- | i installed the wrong nvidia driver (I was suppose to install the legacy version) when i boot up after grub I just get a blinking cursor |
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| 05:42.52 | michelle---- | I tried pressing e and putting "text" in the command line but it brings me back to the same place |
| 05:43.00 | Lagz-Work | michelle----: hit Ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 05:43.06 | Lagz-Work | michelle----: does that bring you to a login terminal? |
| 05:43.07 | michelle---- | ill try that now |
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| 05:43.16 | michelle---- | yup perfect thank you |
| 05:43.28 | michelle---- | any idea how i can safely purge nvidia? |
| 05:43.29 | Lagz-Work | michelle----: no probs |
| 05:43.37 | michelle---- | and install the legacy drivers |
| 05:43.40 | Lagz-Work | michelle----: did you install the nvidia drivers through apt-get? |
| 05:43.44 | michelle---- | i did yes |
| 05:44.07 | Lagz-Work | michelle----: just remove the nvidia packages and install the legacy ones |
| 05:44.18 | michelle---- | apt-get remove nvidia* ? |
| 05:44.27 | markybob | Lagz-Work, yes |
| 05:44.40 | Lagz-Work | michelle----: yeah that should do it...I don't have a Debian box handy at the moment. you could check with dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 05:44.42 | markybob | damn |
| 05:44.43 | michelle---- | another issue is im sure it modified the x org conf |
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| 05:45.08 | markybob | michelle----, it has not |
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| 05:47.19 | michelle---- | thanks lets see if i make it back to mate :) |
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| 05:47.46 | hejux | how do i find out the bandwidth used since the first time debian was installed? |
| 05:48.05 | markybob | hejux, you don't |
| 05:48.14 | Lagz-Work | hejux: unless you've been tracking it externally, there's no built in tracking. |
| 05:48.32 | hejux | K, got it, thanks dude |
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| 05:59.47 | dgriffi | does anyone in here understand programming with libusb? since version 1.0.16, libusb_get_device_descriptor() always returns 0. how am I supposed to figure out if that call fails? nobody is awake in #libusb. |
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| 06:01.57 | j_ | chromium always crashing on fullscreen video play in youtube, facebook... but Iceweasel works fine. You think it has to do with my montior size? I have a 27in |
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| 06:14.31 | bdog7 | I think I found a bug with debian 8, when you install the package "rhythmbox-plugins" it should install "python3-gi" so that cover-art search works, is this a bug I could report somewhere? |
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| 06:21.05 | bdog7 | it seems it installs in testing but not stable ? |
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| 06:23.30 | bdog7 | j_, are you running the pluggins/extentions that could effect it? |
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| 06:27.03 | Chocolate_Chip | What the hell is happening? https://8ch.net/tech/res/479668.html |
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| 06:28.53 | bdog7 | is 8ch the new 4chan? |
| 06:29.09 | Logg | yes, also #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:38.00 | BlenderPro | hey I got port 22 ssh open on my debian is that dangerous? |
| 06:38.04 | BlenderPro | I'm scared |
| 06:38.10 | michelle---- | just change it to a non standard port |
| 06:38.44 | Thraul | don't port forward port 22 from your router then want be able to connect then |
| 06:38.49 | phy1729 | just only allowed keyed logins |
| 06:39.32 | BlenderPro | phy1729: hi wha'ts a keyed login |
| 06:39.57 | Thraul | ssh key |
| 06:39.58 | michelle---- | i would spend time reading the manuals if you're concerned |
| 06:40.22 | michelle---- | https://www.debian.org/devel/passwordlessssh |
| 06:40.29 | michelle---- | https://wiki.debian.org/SSH |
| 06:40.32 | michelle---- | lots of good information here |
| 06:40.43 | michelle---- | ignore the first link sorry |
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| 06:43.59 | bdog7 | i use alternate ssh port to keep logs clean |
| 06:44.36 | BlenderPro | oh wow thanks |
| 06:45.11 | bdog7 | Standards are there for a reason but choice is yours |
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| 06:49.39 | Logg | the reason is so that it's easier to identify what services you're running when a hacker port scans you. :^) |
| 06:50.25 | bdog7 | .np |
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| 07:04.17 | AlwaysHi- | Is there anyway to assign each user on debian an external ip address? |
| 07:04.33 | AlwaysHi- | instead of creating vps's |
| 07:05.26 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: why would you want to do that? |
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| 07:05.46 | AlwaysHi- | to monitor each users traffic |
| 07:06.03 | AlwaysHi- | seems easier with individual ip's |
| 07:07.33 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: monitor in realtime or monitor and store historical data? |
| 07:07.53 | AlwaysHi- | real time would be goo |
| 07:07.54 | AlwaysHi- | good |
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| 07:08.17 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: maybe you could use Nethogs? |
| 07:08.22 | AlwaysHi- | have little expierence with iptables & tc |
| 07:08.33 | AlwaysHi- | but really need to find a way to sort of traffic shaping |
| 07:08.42 | Lagz-Work | I don't know if nethogs will show the owner of processes |
| 07:09.19 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: if you want traffic shaping then VPS/VMs would probably be the way to do it |
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| 07:11.26 | AlwaysHi- | Lagz-Work, yeah trying to avoid vps |
| 07:11.36 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: why are you trying to avoid VPS? |
| 07:11.51 | AlwaysHi- | cause I dont need vps |
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| 07:14.14 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: well then you don't need shaping per user either then |
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| 07:14.42 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: why do you want to shape per user? |
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| 07:15.01 | AlwaysHi- | cause i need to |
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| 07:16.27 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: why do you need to? |
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| 07:17.11 | AlwaysHi- | doesnt really matter why i need to |
| 07:17.25 | AlwaysHi- | its just nessacery |
| 07:17.49 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: right...if it's neccesary, then use VPSes |
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| 07:18.11 | AlwaysHi- | ok thanks for being not helpful |
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| 07:18.23 | AlwaysHi- | if u dont know how to stop talking please |
| 07:18.32 | AlwaysHi- | i said no vps |
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| 07:18.38 | AlwaysHi- | but u keep bringing ti back up |
| 07:18.49 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: I cant help without knowing why you "need" to shape users on a single debian box. |
| 07:19.12 | AlwaysHi- | are u kidding |
| 07:19.21 | Lagz-Work | if you only have 2 users, one running one application that always uses the same ports, then maybe that's a case for iptables/tc |
| 07:19.23 | AlwaysHi- | u know i need to shaper each user |
| 07:19.26 | AlwaysHi- | thats all u need to know |
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| 07:20.02 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: what applications are the users running then? |
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| 07:20.05 | AlwaysHi- | each user runs applications in their own proccess |
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| 07:21.02 | AlwaysHi- | Not trying to be a dick |
| 07:21.13 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: use Docker and limit bandwidth via iptables/tc ? |
| 07:21.55 | AlwaysHi- | docker never heard of it |
| 07:22.06 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: it's a containerisation technology |
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| 07:23.02 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: Maybe Docker, Calico, and iptables/tc would be able to do it |
| 07:23.03 | AlwaysHi- | Think ill need to just personally play around with ip/tc |
| 07:23.13 | AlwaysHi- | cause docker is a bit expensive |
| 07:23.15 | AlwaysHi- | for what i need |
| 07:23.21 | Lagz-Work | what? Docker is free... |
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| 07:23.38 | AlwaysHi- | https://www.docker.com/pricing |
| 07:24.15 | Lagz-Work | AlwaysHi-: https://docs.docker.com/engine/installation/ |
| 07:26.36 | dizzylizzy | Why would grub be defaulting to installing for i386 when I am running amd64? |
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| 07:27.38 | simonlnu | that's the default. specify what you you need, also pay attention to the packages installed. |
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| 07:28.58 | simonlnu | e.g., you need amd64 efi then use that |
| 07:29.57 | dizzylizzy | I didn't realize I was using EFI |
| 07:30.07 | simonlnu | e.g. == example |
| 07:30.29 | simonlnu | there's different variants for grub |
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| 07:45.51 | graymonkey_ | Hi |
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| 09:19.16 | Djole | no you just removed apt |
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| 09:19.18 | Djole | Removing apt (1.0.9.8.1) ... |
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| 09:20.22 | hellouuu | Djole: how do i put it back ? |
| 09:20.24 | morf | good |
| 09:20.26 | morf | ;)) |
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| 09:21.32 | hellouuu | Djole: why did apt get removed ? i only wanted to purge gnupg |
| 09:22.24 | zeeble | didn't you see the dependencies? You chose Y |
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| 09:22.37 | Djole | i think you're attempting to troll people here |
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| 09:22.55 | zeeble | Download all the packages you removed manually from a repository manually. put them in 1 dir and install them with dpkg |
| 09:23.18 | hellouuu | zeeble: thanks |
| 09:23.33 | gonzalo | Hi!!! how can i write in usb iso?? for example to edit the live.cfg?? thanks |
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| 09:31.45 | Vladimirski | Trying to find tftp root directory without luck, any ideas where? or where the tftp config file is? |
| 09:34.14 | RoyK | Vladimirski: the old tftpd only has inetd/xinetd config - use atftpd |
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| 09:36.05 | epsilon | cat /etc/inetd.conf | grep tftp |
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| 09:41.48 | freehck | Hello. Is there somebody who understand packaging well? |
| 09:41.50 | hellouuu | how do i install apt package manually ? |
| 09:42.04 | freehck | hellouuu: dpkg -i <file.deb> |
| 09:42.42 | freehck | I wonder what's the right way to set owner and permissions for package. |
| 09:42.47 | freehck | *for files in package |
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| 09:43.50 | hellouuu | freehck: how do i find a .deb package for apt? |
| 09:44.21 | morf | packages.debian.org |
| 09:44.37 | morf | there you can get any package for any version |
| 09:45.04 | freehck | Our product is distributed with all the files belong to a user. The user is created in the postinst script. In other packages there're many files owned by root. And I need them to be owned by user. |
| 09:45.37 | freehck | hellouuu: maybe you want to install some program, not a deb-package? |
| 09:45.53 | freehck | hellouuu: just try "apt-get install <pkg>" |
| 09:46.25 | freehck | hellouuu: if you don't know what pkg you need, you could look for it with "apt-cache search <keyword-list>" |
| 09:46.52 | morf | dude i think he removed apt |
| 09:46.54 | morf | ;) |
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| 09:47.16 | freehck | morf: ha! well it's possible. ) |
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| 09:47.27 | hellouuu | freehck: morf is right. unfortunately i removed apt trying to purge gnupg :/ |
| 09:47.30 | morf | yeah sure why not, who needs apt ;) |
| 09:47.34 | Djole | he's just trolling im sure |
| 09:48.16 | morf | hellouuu: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/apt/download |
| 09:48.21 | morf | dunno |
| 09:48.28 | morf | it's funny anyway |
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| 09:48.45 | morf | hellouuu: assuming you have debian 8 jessie 64 bit |
| 09:48.46 | freehck | Djole: I hope somebody will read what apt supposes to do before typing "y". ))) |
| 09:48.46 | Djole | removing apt is not... so funny :p |
| 09:49.24 | Djole | he even agreed twice to that |
| 09:49.49 | freehck | People, so what's about packaging? |
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| 09:50.07 | freehck | Do anybody know how to do it right? |
| 09:50.53 | venkat_330 | is it possible to use CD for installing debian in chroot |
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| 09:51.05 | hellouuu | freehck: I tried to install the .deb and i get this error https://paste.debian.net/357004/ |
| 09:51.09 | freehck | venkat_330: it's possible. |
| 09:52.08 | zeeble | hellouuu: I told you what to do once. and i am saying it again. When you did the purge, 1 package didnt get removed. Download ALL the packages that were removed. And then install |
| 09:52.12 | freehck | venkat_330: iirc after configuring of the network you could switch to a tty and continue to install it manually with cli. |
| 09:52.36 | zeeble | Really cannot help if you do not want to understand :| |
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| 09:52.43 | freehck | venkat_330: but it's better to use livecd i think. I recommend GRML |
| 09:53.22 | venkat_330 | freehck: OK let me go through this and check possibilities... |
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| 09:53.42 | freehck | hellouuu: usually dependency problems are then fixed with "apt-get install -f" but it's not your case I think. |
| 09:53.56 | freehck | You should look through all the dependencies manually and install them. |
| 09:54.42 | freehck | Aaand I suppose you need gnupg? ) |
| 09:55.46 | hellouuu | freehck: i wanted to purge the damn gnupg. and it removed apt and many others |
| 09:56.01 | freehck | zeeble: 1) He could have missed the list of these packages. 2) He could find missed dependencies manually/ |
| 09:56.03 | zeeble | it did not do it automatically. it showed you a message, you chose Y after reading |
| 09:56.39 | zeeble | freehck: how to miss? he posted this earlier - https://paste.debian.net/357002/ |
| 09:56.40 | hellouuu | zeeble: i didnt read , i thought im removing the damn gnupg |
| 09:56.46 | zeeble | Next time, read. |
| 09:57.20 | rww | What's the problem with gnupg, anyway? |
| 09:57.26 | hellouuu | i find it abnormal, to get apt removed trying to uninstall a lame app |
| 09:57.41 | zeeble | It isn't a lame app. How do you think a package is signed? |
| 09:57.52 | rww | that "lame app" is what apt uses to make sure packages it downloads are legit |
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| 09:58.24 | zeeble | You didn't read, but you typed a whole sentence - Yes, do as I say! |
| 09:58.33 | hellouuu | yeah |
| 09:58.36 | zeeble | :| |
| 09:58.36 | hellouuu | just to move ahead |
| 09:58.42 | freehck | apt-cache --no-recommends depends apt | grep gnupg |
| 09:58.45 | zeeble | Your year end gift to yourself |
| 09:58.51 | freehck | it shows that gnupg is depends. |
| 09:58.54 | freehck | not recommends |
| 09:59.01 | freehck | so hellouuu you can't remove it |
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| 09:59.26 | rww | It also says this right before it prompts you to type in that you know what you're doing. |
| 09:59.32 | freehck | and it's obvious: you MUST have some gnupg implementation to check package signature. |
| 09:59.37 | rww | Which, umm, yeah... |
| 09:59.50 | venkat_330 | freehck: Is there any tutorial/link that you can guide?? |
| 10:00.09 | freehck | zeeble: I've joined the channel after that comment. ) |
| 10:00.13 | zeeble | heh |
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| 10:00.25 | hellouuu | zeeble: here is what i removed https://paste.debian.net/357005/ |
| 10:00.34 | hellouuu | whcih one of these are needed? |
| 10:01.04 | rww | Just go on packages.debian.org and grab the ones it says it removed, then install them with dpkg |
| 10:01.07 | hellouuu | i mean, r u sure i need to put back ALL ? |
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| 10:01.31 | freehck | venkat_330: tutorial about what? |
| 10:01.38 | zeeble | *sigh* |
| 10:01.41 | rww | Depends, are you allergic to small command-line programs or something? |
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| 10:02.08 | venkat_330 | freehck: installing with existing debian ISO iamge in chroot |
| 10:02.22 | freehck | Aaaaahhh... |
| 10:03.00 | freehck | venkat_330: sorry, are you trying to install a debian in a chroot environment to use it with your native system? |
| 10:03.58 | venkat_330 | freehck: Yes, i have a debian 8 system and trying install debian older version in CHROOT enviroment |
| 10:04.16 | freehck | okay, you need to use debootstrap in this case/ |
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| 10:04.23 | freehck | man debootstrap i mean |
| 10:05.07 | freehck | aaand iirc there were some problems specifically with debian 8 because of systemd, so I recommend to install into chroot debian 7 and then upgrade to 8. |
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| 10:05.58 | freehck | venkat_330: is it enough? |
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| 10:07.16 | venkat_330 | freehck: I just need debian older version in chrrot under debian 8. Think that should be enough.. |
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| 10:14.12 | hellouuu | zeeble: guess what, they all give me error when i try to install the .deb |
| 10:14.18 | Colti | What could be the problem in debian 8 if hibernate/STD is working and suspend/STR is not working? |
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| 10:15.50 | hellouuu | Colti: how much ram do you have? |
| 10:16.02 | Colti | 4gb ram |
| 10:16.14 | Colti | swap file is 6gb |
| 10:16.21 | hellouuu | so its not the ram |
| 10:16.31 | hiya | Which VPN is popular among Debian Community? |
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| 10:16.40 | hellouuu | i have 4gn myself and suspend works fine |
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| 10:16.59 | hellouuu | hiya: openvpn |
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| 10:17.32 | Colti | then you are lucky it really annoying to find out problems with suspend, you have to shut down and reboot the system so often |
| 10:17.44 | hiya | hellouuu, provider :) |
| 10:17.54 | Colti | the strange thing is hibernate works |
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| 10:18.29 | freehck | Colti: missing parameters for booting the kernel? |
| 10:18.51 | Colti | which parameters could be missing there for suspend? |
| 10:18.56 | hellouuu | hiya: that is a matter of personal choice |
| 10:19.06 | Colti | i thought parameters are only necessary for hibernate and the swap file |
| 10:19.31 | hiya | hellouuu, Which one do you suggest? |
| 10:20.29 | freehck | Colti: resume=/dev/<swapdevice> ? |
| 10:20.44 | hellouuu | hiya: https://www.bestvpn.com/blog/35091/5-best-vpns-for-ubuntu-2/ |
| 10:20.56 | Colti | yes i think this one i have set for my swap-file |
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| 10:21.35 | freehck | Colti: but of course it's just for hibernation, not for suspend. |
| 10:21.35 | Colti | hibernate is working only suspend isn`t |
| 10:21.44 | Colti | ah ok |
| 10:21.46 | zeeble | hellouuu: can you try 1 more thing? check if gdebi is installed and then try gdebi apt.deb |
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| 10:22.05 | antranigv | any idea what is going on with Ian? |
| 10:22.06 | hiya | hellouuu, Are you into OpenVPN services? |
| 10:22.13 | Colti | i think the probelm is the resuming from supend |
| 10:22.28 | zeeble | there's a package called Ian? |
| 10:22.37 | antranigv | I heard he wast arrested by the police, he was trying to do suicide |
| 10:22.41 | Colti | i think the machine is not fully returning |
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| 10:22.54 | Colti | but i can ping it |
| 10:23.04 | freehck | Colti: who knows... Why don't you think the problem isn't in putting your machine into a suspend state? ) |
| 10:23.10 | hellouuu | zeeble: https://paste.debian.net/357008/ |
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| 10:23.42 | Colti | :p |
| 10:23.43 | zeeble | hellouuu: ok, grab the gnupg .deb fist |
| 10:23.50 | zeeble | first* |
| 10:23.52 | hellouuu | zeeble: okay |
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| 10:24.07 | Colti | i wanted to do something for the environment and shut down the machine when not needed :) |
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| 10:25.54 | hellouuu | zeeble: worked. now i have apt back |
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| 10:26.07 | zeeble | hellouuu: okay. now also install apt-utils |
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| 10:26.33 | zeeble | antranigv: Wow! i didn't know all this was happening .. His Twitter account seems to have been deleted or disabled |
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| 10:27.12 | antranigv | zeeble: he was trying to do a suicied or smthn... |
| 10:27.33 | antranigv | that's offtopic right? I should go to #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:28.10 | hellouuu | zeeble: here https://paste.debian.net/357009/ |
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| 10:28.58 | zeeble | hellouuu: cool. now all done. |
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| 10:29.27 | hellouuu | zeeble: thank you for helping! |
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| 11:17.35 | moldy | is there nowadays (jessie) a recommended method to reload network configuration? |
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| 11:18.48 | Shadow_7 | moldy: like... service networking restart |
| 11:19.01 | moldy | Shadow_7: something like that, yes. |
| 11:19.24 | Shadow_7 | formerly /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:19.28 | moldy | that used to be "unsupported", afaik |
| 11:19.33 | moldy | so i wonder what the current state is |
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| 11:19.58 | markybob | moldy, he just told you. service networking restart |
| 11:20.46 | Shadow_7 | in theory ifdown and ifup on the interface (per interface) would do most of it too. |
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| 11:21.36 | Shadow_7 | afaik systemd is default, but you could be configured to not-systemd still on jessie |
| 11:22.08 | moldy | markybob: so that is "supported" now? |
| 11:22.16 | moldy | i am asking because it used to not work reliably |
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| 11:24.40 | markybob | moldy, it's supported. of course it won't work if you're running something like networkmanager |
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| 11:26.22 | moldy | markybob: ok, thanks |
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| 11:39.19 | Jaga-Jaga | I have some issues with GPG |
| 11:39.58 | Jaga-Jaga | I have some issues with GPG, it tells me "public key not found" but the key is there. |
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| 11:47.26 | moldy | markybob, Shadow_7: when i introduce a bridge interface in interfaces, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" will not be sufficient, i have to reboot the machine, right? |
| 11:47.42 | moldy | it seems the interface is only created on system start |
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| 11:51.52 | Cezikos | clear |
| 11:52.24 | BlenderPro | hi I wonder how can I improve my performance when using debian from a usb2 flash stick should I disable swap? |
| 11:53.01 | Cezikos | @BlenderPro how much do you have ram? |
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| 11:54.21 | BlenderPro | 8gb |
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| 11:54.33 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: or 4gb on another pc I use it on both |
| 11:55.25 | Cezikos | @BlenderPro disable swap or buy faster flash :D |
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| 11:56.16 | Cezikos | Check how much swap use debian free -h |
| 11:58.02 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: k |
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| 11:58.33 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: weird |
| 11:58.50 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: my pc was acting up but according to free is not using any swap disk |
| 11:59.36 | Cezikos | @BlenderPro it's normal, swap only use when ram is not enough :) |
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| 12:01.29 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: sound logical |
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| 12:01.41 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: so then how can I improve my performance |
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| 12:03.17 | Cezikos | @BlenderPro What does mean improve? GUI is laggy? |
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| 12:04.34 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: run less stuff generally improves performance |
| 12:04.56 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: you may be right but I mean sometimes for example it got stuck not loading stuff but just doing closing of a file in audacity a video that loaded only audio and closing it it gets stuck for like 1 full minute opening takes 6 seconds but closing it or doing some minor stuff like tryinug to save a file |
| 12:05.14 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: I don't think is my case |
| 12:05.23 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: my pc is fast enough is a phenom iix4 |
| 12:05.29 | teraflops | Cezikos: no, some processes use swap even being free ram, also having swap is a good idea despite of the amount of ram you have |
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| 12:05.50 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: I assume is the slow usb2 drive but still maybe the gui needs optimiziation or for my per case |
| 12:06.23 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: what is bogging down? |
| 12:06.28 | BlenderPro | teraflops: why is a good idea |
| 12:06.48 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: with 4GB of ram, you could put .mozilla and friends in a 1GB ramdisk. |
| 12:07.05 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: for example audacity when trying to close a mp4 video extract as audio it takes 1 minute to close while looking at a gray empty dialog windo |
| 12:07.31 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: well audacity creates copies in /tmp/ ... and a copy per edit. |
| 12:07.32 | teraflops | BlenderPro: e.g http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/190521 |
| 12:07.46 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: so the wait is it updating or deleting those copies |
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| 12:08.06 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: right now is using 4gb of ram and 2.4 is cashed |
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| 12:08.23 | Che-Anarc | What is user / password for the livecd ? |
| 12:08.26 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: so putting /tmp/ in a ramdisk could improve preformance, but if you're editing large files you likely don't have enough ram for that. |
| 12:09.09 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: even withb 6gb? |
| 12:09.14 | BlenderPro | 8* |
| 12:09.53 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: in my case I edit hour long concerts which is roughly 1GB for the unedited file. Do 2 edits and audacity is chewing on 3GB in /tmp/ |
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| 12:10.03 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: so you're saying editing large files using my 16gb drive is impossible since the tmp fiolder wont' be that large? and even if it was it will be laggy as hell |
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| 12:10.05 | Cezikos | @teraflops Having swap is always good idea but when you have slow flash and big amount of RAM I think that we should disable swap or buy faster flash |
| 12:10.39 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: it's possible, but save out and reload the edit to fit within the confines |
| 12:10.49 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: can I put my tmp folder into a harddisk I have on the same pc |
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| 12:11.03 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: something I can load during per case or per machine |
| 12:11.06 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: that would be one way to do things |
| 12:11.37 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: even if it's just a file that contains a filesystem that gets mounted to /tmp/ |
| 12:11.52 | teraflops | Cezikos: and? I just replied to " Cezikos ⸠[12:59] @BlenderPro it's normal, swap only use when ram is not enough :)" |
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| 12:12.09 | Shadow_7 | I try to always have 10GB free on / because of /tmp/ 's modern usage |
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| 12:12.44 | Shadow_7 | The /tmp/ is basically modern swap for apps that know in advance that they don't have enough ram |
| 12:12.46 | teraflops | nvm just saying, it's hard to chat ... |
| 12:12.50 | Cezikos | @teraflops ohh ok ;) |
| 12:13.33 | BlenderPro | oh wow |
| 12:13.40 | BlenderPro | I'll look into that |
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| 12:15.01 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: other option is to use ardour to edit which doesn't create copies in /tmp/, but not that great to edit with IMO. But I haven't used it in a while. And you'll likely want to make a manual copy before editing just in case. |
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| 12:17.40 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: oh wow thanks for all the options will come in hand |
| 12:20.15 | Spotify | Hey |
| 12:20.26 | Spotify | What does "Guided - use the largest continousus free space mean"? |
| 12:20.38 | Spotify | What does it mean for a two-HDD system |
| 12:21.28 | teraflops | Spotify: i guess it means the same |
| 12:21.58 | Spotify | I don't understand, m8 |
| 12:22.54 | teraflops | Spotify: try it and see? it wont write changes to the disks unless you explicitly say so. |
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| 12:30.28 | G33KY | Is there a way to get the Debian installer to detect eMMC drives, as thats the "HDD" that came with this new laptop. |
| 12:31.37 | teraflops | G33KY: firmware issue? |
| 12:32.08 | teraflops | G33KY: maybe it's just lack of the driver/firmware |
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| 12:33.47 | G33KY | I'm not sure if its a firmware issue or not, I havent checked. Whats the best way to do this> |
| 12:33.49 | G33KY | ?* |
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| 12:34.57 | Thraul | Have you tried the debian live cd? |
| 12:35.05 | teraflops | G33KY: switch of tty and see if the /dev/mmc whatever is there |
| 12:35.29 | G33KY | Thraul: Not yet, im only using the netinst standard CD atm. CD1 has the same issue |
| 12:35.32 | G33KY | teraflops: will do |
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| 12:49.43 | Shadow_7 | G33KY: my laptop has eMMC. Doing a debootstrap install seems to see it and use it just fine. Although might need a working usb option to do that type of install. |
| 12:49.59 | Shadow_7 | G33KY: shows up as /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 12:50.28 | Shadow_7 | G33KY: FreeBSD however did NOT see that device |
| 12:50.39 | G33KY | Yeah debootstrap was going to be my plan B. Will check /dev/ in a moment, something else going on atm |
| 12:51.17 | brandywine | im not sure about the installer but I recall there is a stage where you pick a lot of modules/whatever, maybe selecting all of them helps :P |
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| 12:53.03 | G33KY | That part comes after the partitioning, so I cant get there yet, brandywine |
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| 13:00.38 | G33KY | [12:34] <teraflops> G33KY: switch of tty and see if the /dev/mmc whatever is there |
| 13:00.42 | G33KY | no /dev/mmc* there |
| 13:01.03 | brandywine | G33KY: hmm |
| 13:01.13 | Shadow_7 | I remember having a lot of issues with my initial linux install, although mostly related to the wifi driver at that time. |
| 13:01.20 | BlenderPro | I have a question |
| 13:01.21 | G33KY | The wifi driver is fine |
| 13:01.27 | brandywine | G33KY: I find deboostrap more reliable /always/ |
| 13:01.52 | G33KY | The last time I tried debootstrap GRUB went AWOL. Bootloaders are not my strong point at all. |
| 13:02.02 | G33KY | BlenderPro don't ask to ask |
| 13:02.14 | BlenderPro | when I zoom in with iceweasel using Ctrl I get website to display their text bigger however the line doesn't wrap around instead it goes beyond, how to make it wrap around? |
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| 13:02.27 | Shadow_7 | G33KY: modules mmc_block and mmc_core are loaded (kernel wise). |
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| 13:03.45 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: depends on the site, probably can't make it wrap. I recall using instead of spaces to force that type of behavior. |
| 13:03.56 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: it could also be an image, not text. |
| 13:04.04 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: by the way I tried the insmod suggestion but grub reported coulnd't find files in /boot maybe because it wasn't mounted inside the vmlinuz image or something |
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| 13:05.17 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: good to know I make websites too |
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| 13:06.18 | G33KY | I'll download the unofficial netinst cd with nonfree firmware, see what that does. |
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| 13:14.51 | BlenderPro | what's a good programa for windows |
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| 13:16.07 | Ephexeve | Hey all, trying to install nginx, however I am getting this error: https://bpaste.net/show/1f4c6e70bb1d |
| 13:16.13 | Ephexeve | running Debian stable on Digitalocean |
| 13:17.11 | blind | Job for nginx.service failed. See 'systemctl status nginx.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. |
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| 13:18.10 | brandywine | Ephexeve: also journalctl -u nginx.service |
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| 13:19.24 | Ephexeve | nevermind guys, fixed it, lighttp was running. Sorry |
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| 13:22.43 | BlenderPro | what is a good program to view video properties on debian something like gspot |
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| 13:23.05 | BlenderPro | I can't find video properties in blender other then dimensions and lenght |
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| 13:24.16 | testa | hi all |
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| 13:24.22 | BlenderPro | hi |
| 13:24.28 | testa | how can i use the xcp on debian |
| 13:24.35 | BlenderPro | you got me |
| 13:24.59 | blind | What is the xcp? |
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| 13:25.23 | RoyK | scp, perhaps? |
| 13:25.42 | testa | Xen Cloud Platform |
| 13:26.05 | Shadow_7 | as opposed to Zen? |
| 13:26.27 | blind | It's available.. https://wiki.debian.org/XCP |
| 13:27.15 | Shadow_7 | ,v xcp |
| 13:27.16 | judd | No package named 'xcp' was found in amd64. |
| 13:27.29 | blind | ,v xcp-xapi |
| 13:27.30 | judd | Package: xcp-xapi on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.2-15 |
| 13:27.34 | testa | ;5~i have this in jessie |
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| 13:28.28 | blind | Yeah doesn't appear to be available for jessie |
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| 13:33.38 | linux-fox | i am using wheezy |
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| 13:35.15 | joelz | hi, is debian 8.1 considered stable for production use? |
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| 13:36.23 | morf | joelz: yes it's "stable" |
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| 13:36.41 | morf | if you want run something in production stable is first-hand pick |
| 13:36.46 | linux-fox | current point release is 8.2 |
| 13:36.59 | morf | oh |
| 13:37.00 | morf | ok |
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| 13:46.34 | G33KY | Ok er, I found the problem I think |
| 13:46.48 | G33KY | For some reason Debian doesnt detect the drive if it boots in UEFI mode |
| 13:47.00 | G33KY | I booted it in Legacy and now it works. How would I make it detect it in UEFI? |
| 13:48.25 | blind | You'd need UEFI grub |
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| 13:50.51 | G33KY | After I install debian? |
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| 13:58.07 | Guest4660 | this guy offers these hosts files/list on git. there seems to be multiple file formats. should i use the raw? for debian. |
| 13:58.53 | Shadow_7 | Guest4660: like /etc/hosts? |
| 13:58.57 | Guest4660 | yes |
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| 13:59.22 | jelly | G33KY: how did you create the bootable medium? jessie netinst (with or without firmware) ought to be bootable in both uefi and legacy modes |
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| 13:59.50 | Guest4660 | hosts.eladkarako.com |
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| 14:00.24 | Guest4660 | he has like thousands long hosts file |
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| 14:00.47 | Shadow_7 | Guest4660: and what do you need it for? man in the middle? no DNS available? ??? |
| 14:00.57 | G33KY | I created a USB boot disc with Rufus. The drive boots fine (with some extra parameters, but that was a separate issue), but on the partitioning stage the HDD (eMMC) is only detected if the drive is booted in Legacy. |
| 14:01.14 | G33KY | If I boot in UEFI the only drive listed is the USB boot drive. |
| 14:01.17 | flip214 | why is there no libgnutls30 -dev package? |
| 14:01.26 | Guest4660 | huh? |
| 14:01.37 | Guest4660 | me? |
| 14:02.06 | Guest4660 | no its for block advetisers that slow your browser |
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| 14:02.09 | Shadow_7 | Guest4660: normally /etc/hosts provides local DNS lookups. Like for localhost to translate to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:03.39 | Shadow_7 | I just let them slow my browser, so I can know to never visit that site again |
| 14:04.16 | Guest4660 | you just jot down 27thousand bad guy down in your notebook? |
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| 14:05.44 | Shadow_7 | Do you really want to make a bloated site look good if you might spend money there? |
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| 14:06.03 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: |
| 14:06.31 | G33KY | legacy boot: https://i.imgur.com/mjT54Ef.jpg |
| 14:07.05 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: do I need to copy the content of /tmp into the new harddisk would it be fine if I start using a new directory /tmp? why do I need to cp files that were for temporary use while the program was running |
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| 14:08.30 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: you probably want to set it up in /etc/fstab and reboot |
| 14:08.54 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: yea I was gonna do that too |
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| 14:09.20 | Shadow_7 | and might need to boot another install to make sure /tmp/ is clean before booting the new config |
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| 14:13.21 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: what do you mean by booting a new install you mean running a live debian for waht? and what do you mean having a clean /tmp folder? |
| 14:13.26 | BlenderPro | would you mind explaining those to me |
| 14:13.41 | Shadow_7 | live or alternate OS or whatever |
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| 14:14.01 | jwd | ehlo |
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| 14:14.08 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: just to make sure that /tmp/ mount point has nothing under it before using it |
| 14:14.32 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: it (in theory) clears at boot anyway, but what actually happens could be unknown |
| 14:14.47 | jelly | G33KY: yeah, avoid rufus and unetbootin and similar tools. Try to write the image directly, with eg. win32diskimager |
| 14:15.02 | G33KY | win32diskimager only does .img files iirc |
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| 14:15.16 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: right |
| 14:15.22 | jelly | G33KY: just change it to *.* and pick the iso anyway |
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| 14:15.35 | G33KY | ok will remember for next time |
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| 14:19.19 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: what I put for dump and pass options for the ext4 tmp folder sorry I'm lazy to look on startpage right now |
| 14:19.44 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: 0 0 ??? do it manually if it needs it |
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| 14:21.02 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: my / has 0 and 1 |
| 14:21.08 | BlenderPro | I'll try 0 0 k |
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| 14:21.18 | blind | 'man fstab' |
| 14:21.35 | BlenderPro | blind: right |
| 14:21.37 | BlenderPro | thanks |
| 14:21.47 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: it's mostly there to fsck the drive if things didn't go so good last time around |
| 14:21.55 | BlenderPro | didn't know there was a man for fstab |
| 14:22.04 | Coquelard | hi all i had grub2 installed on a /boot partition but then I restored windows 10 boot and now I don't know how to boot the grub on the /boot parition do you know how I can boot grub again ? |
| 14:22.31 | blind | Coquelard: you'll likely have to boot to a live CD and re-install grub |
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| 14:23.38 | Shadow_7 | Coquelard: you can boot grub on a usb stick and chainload the original grub if that partition still exists. configfile (hd0,1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 14:25.55 | Shadow_7 | from grubs command mode "c"... with ls to list available () options and tab complete to verify the path stuff |
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| 14:27.26 | Coquelard | Shadow_7: i'm not sure I understand but how come that I see "Windows boot" (installed in ntfs system partition) in the BIOS boot options and can't see the /boot partition ? |
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| 14:28.22 | Coquelard | Shadow_7: so i go to grub command line from debian installer and do "configfile (hd2,4)/boot/grub/grub.cfg" ? |
| 14:28.29 | Shadow_7 | Coquelard: windows probably clobbered the whole drive and created it's own partitions. Just guessing though, haven't run windows for over a decade |
| 14:29.12 | Shadow_7 | Coquelard: if it's there it will switch to it's grub / config to load grub like you booted it from the MBR |
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| 14:29.29 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: let's say I assign 4GB for tmp what if it runs out? will it use more ram or panic |
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| 14:29.45 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, my date is wrong, I am trying to update it with rdate, but it's telling me rdate isn't a command |
| 14:29.53 | Coquelard | Shadow_7:but is there a way to make it definitive without having to boot on the installer first ? |
| 14:29.57 | Scriptonaut | I'm on jessie, and I'm reading this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 14:30.07 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: whatever is using more will likely fail or behave badly. |
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| 14:30.21 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: /tmp/ is not ram, just temp space used by apps. |
| 14:30.37 | blind | Scriptonaut: so install rdate? |
| 14:30.48 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: so 10GB is ok? |
| 14:31.02 | Scriptonaut | blind: |
| 14:31.07 | Scriptonaut | isn't there a stock program in debian? |
| 14:31.08 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: it's big enough to open a 4GB file in audacity and do two edits |
| 14:31.08 | RoyK | BlenderPro: you rarely need that much tmp |
| 14:31.22 | Scriptonaut | ntpdate is in every other unix I've ever used by default |
| 14:31.28 | blind | You can make /tmp a RAM disk if you want. |
| 14:31.30 | brandywine | Coquelard: you didnt say if youre under UEFi or BIOS+MBR |
| 14:31.32 | centrx | Scriptonaut, you can use ntpdate or ntpd |
| 14:31.33 | BlenderPro | I'll do 8gb k |
| 14:31.37 | RoyK | BlenderPro: just use lvm, setup 1GB or so for tmp and extend if it's not enough |
| 14:31.52 | centrx | Scriptonaut, looks like you can install rdate too |
| 14:32.00 | RoyK | BlenderPro: just don't allocate all of the VG at once |
| 14:32.01 | blind | Scriptonaut: you could install ntpdate too |
| 14:32.03 | centrx | Scriptonaut, Ideally, a system with a base install should not have much on it |
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| 14:32.24 | RoyK | BlenderPro: why ntpdate? ntp alone should do |
| 14:32.31 | brandywine | centrx: because everyone is assuming BIOS+MBR ... |
| 14:32.35 | xand | ntp should be there by default IMO |
| 14:32.39 | brandywine | ups |
| 14:32.40 | BlenderPro | blind: ram disk? but tmp is like a swap it needs to be written on non volatile memory now I'm confused :S |
| 14:32.41 | Scriptonaut | xand: I agree |
| 14:32.42 | xand | so many wrong clocks |
| 14:32.49 | Scriptonaut | every OS I've used includes it by default |
| 14:32.52 | Scriptonaut | even barebones stuff like netbsd |
| 14:32.52 | brandywine | Coquelard: because everyone is assuming BIOS+MBR ... |
| 14:32.58 | brandywine | srry centrx |
| 14:32.58 | xand | and I usually forget to install it at first |
| 14:33.10 | xand | though systemd has an ntp replacement, not sure if/how that works in debian |
| 14:33.15 | blind | BlenderPro: not necessarily. It CAN cause some issues with some applications, but you can definitely do it. Some people do it for SSD installs to minimize writes |
| 14:33.18 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: it needs to be available and big enough... doesn't really matter where it resides |
| 14:33.24 | Coquelard | brandywine: how do I know what i am under, when I installed debian it asked me if I wanted to force UEFI installation but since there was a windows I said no, what's the difference ? |
| 14:33.25 | RoyK | xand: I don't think it's in there by default |
| 14:33.27 | BlenderPro | actually I can't count on ram as most pcs that will run it from will have 4gb and that's not enough I'll just a second flash drive :D |
| 14:33.40 | brandywine | Coquelard: If you do not know .... |
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| 14:33.55 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: media editing and audacity in particular are kind the oddballs out |
| 14:34.13 | BlenderPro | Shadow_7: yea I particularly notice that |
| 14:34.25 | BlenderPro | blender is not as cool as sony vegas either |
| 14:34.31 | Cezikos | @BlenderPro how fast is your flash? |
| 14:34.32 | BlenderPro | for editing videos |
| 14:34.38 | RoyK | often uses a single partition/lv for everything perhaps except /home |
| 14:34.45 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: hi, it's about 13mb/s is usb2 standard |
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| 14:34.53 | xand | systemd-timesyncd.service disabled |
| 14:34.55 | xand | that |
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| 14:35.11 | Cezikos | @BlenderPro 13MB/s write or read? |
| 14:35.14 | xand | (it talks to ntp servers) |
| 14:35.23 | Coquelard | brandywine: i'd assume it's uefi it's a brand new computer and motherboard |
| 14:35.28 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: 13 write 20 read |
| 14:36.02 | BlenderPro | Cezikos: is fine as long it doesn't bottleneck with what I believe is tmp |
| 14:36.12 | xand | Scriptonaut: so try enabling that service with systemctl. might need to also configure it in /etc/systemd/ |
| 14:36.29 | Cezikos | @BlenderPro Try to buy faster flash, 5GB or 20GB tmp does not matter |
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| 14:36.41 | brandywine | Coquelard: then you were advised wrongly, mainly because you didnt say youre using uefi |
| 14:37.02 | RoyK | xand: didn't know that one - thanks |
| 14:37.07 | Shadow_7 | it matters for audacity that makes copies of large files as undo history |
| 14:37.29 | RoyK | Shadow_7: in /tmp? |
| 14:37.33 | Cezikos | ok I don't work with audacity |
| 14:37.35 | Shadow_7 | Mhmmm |
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| 14:38.41 | Cezikos | Anyway, if audacity save large files in tmp we SHOULD have faster read/write disk |
| 14:38.42 | RoyK | Shadow_7: so long as you use lvm and have unallocated space in the volume group, it shouldn't matter much - just extend the lv/fs if it becomes a problem |
| 14:38.54 | Coquelard | brandywine:all I know is that from my motherboad interface I can select "Windows boot" in the boot order and I wonder if I could get to boot the /boot partition too, it would make sense to be able to do that don't you think ? |
| 14:38.56 | Shadow_7 | along with other bad habbits like recording to RAM, so if your computer dies (or audacity), you lose your recording |
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| 14:39.23 | RoyK | Shadow_7: eh - it doesn't record to disk? |
| 14:39.31 | Cezikos | the bottleneck is the transmission of data from flash |
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| 14:39.33 | Shadow_7 | not by default |
| 14:39.39 | Shadow_7 | ardour will record to disk |
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| 14:40.03 | brandywine | Coquelard: if you want to use grub mount the ESP in the proper location and then install grub |
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| 14:41.07 | RoyK | Shadow_7: can you configure audacity to record to disk directly? I can't find anything about that in the config |
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| 14:41.45 | Shadow_7 | you would think... although never made that effort |
| 14:42.06 | Shadow_7 | just opted for other routes... arecord / ardour / ... |
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| 14:43.29 | Shadow_7 | arecord is nice in that you can pipe it to tee and save a raw audio file while piping that to sox to record a compressed audio format to another device |
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| 14:45.32 | Shadow_7 | although not that good for monitoring levels unless you use jack and jackeq |
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| 14:46.33 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:46.37 | RoyK | Shadow_7: sox, perhaps? ;) |
| 14:47.00 | johnfg | on this new jessie install, I get these errors: http://dpaste.com/1EG42F2 |
| 14:47.37 | RoyK | johnfg: trying to install on existing filesystem or something? |
| 14:47.43 | johnfg | What should my permissions be there? In fact, because I made /var it's own partition, cron logs are kinda messed up too. |
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| 14:48.03 | johnfg | RoyK: Man, you're quick! Surmised before i typed it! |
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| 14:48.44 | RoyK | heh :) |
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| 14:52.56 | johnfg | RoyK: I didn't install on existing filesystem, but after jessie was installed, I moved all from /var part of /, to /var as its own partition. Something happened to permissions along the way. |
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| 15:00.28 | RoyK | johnfg: how did you move it? |
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| 15:02.00 | thieh | Question: If I want to install testing, is there a way for me to change the source.list during install or am I stuck with installing stable and then upgrade that afterwards? |
| 15:02.13 | johnfg | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/131311/moving-var-home-to-separate-partition is mainly what i used. |
| 15:02.20 | centrx | thieh, That's the best way to install testing. Do a base/minimal install of stable first |
| 15:02.47 | johnfg | RoyK: However, this was an existing /var (/dev/sda3), so I didn't need to make the filesystem. |
| 15:03.09 | RoyK | thieh: I'd use rsync -avHAPX instead of that cp comand |
| 15:03.18 | markybob | thieh, use the testing installer https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:03.45 | RoyK | thieh: also, an existing filsystem could include numerous UIDs unknown to the new system |
| 15:03.51 | RoyK | erm |
| 15:04.01 | thieh | markybob: Now then, Is there a parameter I can pass to choose which DE to install? |
| 15:04.02 | RoyK | johnfg: that was for you, those two lines above |
| 15:04.08 | Shadow_7 | thieh: it's generally better to install stable and upgrade |
| 15:04.29 | RoyK | Shadow_7: I think there are nightly builds... |
| 15:04.36 | markybob | thieh, no |
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| 15:05.02 | johnfg | RoyK: How to put things right on /var? |
| 15:05.18 | RoyK | johnfg: do you still have the old /var fs? |
| 15:05.26 | Shadow_7 | RoyK: I tend towards ... rsync -aRXv |
| 15:05.41 | johnfg | Would you go back to single user mode...again you're too quick...yes, I have /var.old |
| 15:06.04 | thieh | thanks everyone, I'm off to test how that works. |
| 15:06.09 | RoyK | Shadow_7: hm. ok. so perhaps -avPHARX |
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| 15:06.51 | RoyK | johnfg: then rsync -avPHARX --delete /var.old/. /var |
| 15:07.48 | RoyK | not sure if -R is good for this, though |
| 15:07.49 | Shadow_7 | granted not on live systems when I do mine. Mostly cloning one partition to another. |
| 15:07.52 | johnfg | RoyK: I use rsync pretty often, but not the --delete flag. What does --delete do? |
| 15:08.14 | RoyK | johnfg: it deletes anything on <target> that isn't on <source> |
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| 15:08.15 | johnfg | Shadow_7: That's really what i'm doing, but it is live. |
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| 15:09.49 | Shadow_7 | wouldn't you need to restart things if you do that on a live system? rsyslogd |
| 15:10.14 | jelly | you would take care to stop anything actively using /var, first |
| 15:10.35 | RoyK | a reboot is probably faster :P |
| 15:10.40 | jelly | depends |
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| 15:12.21 | johnfg | I don't want everything, like my /var/www/<my web files> deleted, by rsync. |
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| 15:25.37 | RoyK | johnfg: makes sense |
| 15:26.26 | RoyK | johnfg: is /var/www on a separate filesystem? |
| 15:26.46 | johnfg | RoyK: no. |
| 15:27.02 | RoyK | ok, don't use --delete, then |
| 15:27.12 | johnfg | I did copy it earlier (for safety) to www.old |
| 15:27.23 | RoyK | perhaps some cleanup needed later, but shouldn't be too hard |
| 15:27.36 | johnfg | RoyK: And did you recommend going into single user mode? |
| 15:27.43 | RoyK | yeah |
| 15:27.49 | RoyK | probably not needed, but won't hurt |
| 15:28.11 | RoyK | reboot into single, don't just init s |
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| 15:32.48 | BlenderPro | someone told me to mount tmpfs aon /tmp but I see no current tmpfs mounted on my current /tmp what is tmpfs |
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| 15:34.47 | Shadow_7 | BlenderPro: man tmpfs... I don't have tmpfs on /tmp/ either. although on /run /dev/shm /sys/fs/cgroup and other places |
| 15:35.32 | BlenderPro | me too |
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| 15:37.18 | thieh | Question: my logitech wireless keyboard seems not to be supported when the installer is up. Should I grab a package somewhere for that or...? |
| 15:37.49 | Shadow_7 | wireless in that it has a little dongle? or connects via bluetooth or something? |
| 15:38.04 | thieh | the unifying receiver thing |
| 15:38.23 | dontknow | thieh, you probably need more up to date kernel. you can try installing strech |
| 15:38.45 | dontknow | it may be supported on newer kernel |
| 15:38.51 | RoyK | BlenderPro: if you don't have too much memory, don't use tmpfs on /tmp :P |
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| 15:39.03 | thieh | dontknow: it is the stretch installer disc. the boot menu still have the keyboard working but not when the installer loads up |
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| 15:39.15 | Agiofws | hello |
| 15:39.42 | RoyK | BlenderPro: tmpfs uses vram, that is, eats bit of memory and is swapped out like everything else if ram is low |
| 15:40.03 | thieh | dontknow: unless you meant I can patch the install disc easily... |
| 15:40.08 | dontknow | thieh, oh. strech installer is testing anyway. it is for test the installer not the installation of system |
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| 15:40.49 | thieh | dontknow: Ok, bug found. o_O |
| 15:41.16 | dontknow | thieh, try installing stable first and after that upgrade to strech |
| 15:42.22 | dontknow | or use rock solid stable |
| 15:42.54 | Agiofws | i tried to install debian jessie| and i checked if windows 7 was installed via eufi or mbr and i checked if my "bios" was loading eufi or mbr+bios while booting the install cd. I installed jessie on the second hard drive and issued the installer to install grub on the first drive's mbr but as it seems the pc boots into windows and it seems that no grub has installed what should i do? insert the netinstall cd and go over the grub insta |
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| 15:44.44 | Agiofws | anyone? |
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| 15:45.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | Agiofws: good luck. |
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| 15:45.33 | jelly | Agiofws: if it got installed, you just need to fix or set up the boot loader in some way |
| 15:46.06 | jelly | so find and boot a live linux image and try to inspect the state |
| 15:46.26 | jelly | or try to pick a different disk to boot from the bios/uefi boot menu |
| 15:46.40 | ktchk | debian wheezy install mono 4.3.2 , but repetier1.6 need libmono-winform2.0-cil any workarround?? |
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| 15:47.59 | Agiofws | jelly: jessie is installed i just don't know why grub was not installed or where it was installed at all |
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| 15:48.11 | jlim | hey |
| 15:48.11 | dontknow | ktchk, i guess you need to elaborate |
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| 15:48.25 | jlim | where is midori in the jessie repos? |
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| 15:48.37 | dontknow | jlim, it is in backports |
| 15:48.43 | jlim | why? |
| 15:48.54 | dontknow | some bug probably |
| 15:48.57 | ktchk | dontknow: my wheezy is rtai for cnc, no alternity |
| 15:49.25 | Agiofws | So for your case, you have two MBR (because you have 2 hard disk). |
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| 15:49.47 | jelly | ,v midori |
| 15:49.48 | judd | Package: midori on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-2; sid: 0.5.11-ds1-1 |
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| 15:50.14 | jelly | dpkg, tell jlim about jessie-backports |
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| 15:51.37 | jlim | jelly bot didn't work |
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| 15:52.28 | Shadow_7 | jlim: there's other webkit browsers... like uzbl-browser |
| 15:52.32 | dontknow | jlim, midori also installs zeitgeist as dependency :( |
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| 15:53.17 | jlim | dontknow: what is wrong with zeitgeist? |
| 15:53.19 | dontknow | and it is not suggested using webkit browser with jessie |
| 15:53.31 | dontknow | except chromium |
| 15:53.37 | jelly | jlim: you should have gotten a private message. Check other tabs/windows in your irc client |
| 15:53.47 | jlim | what is wrong with webkit browsers and jessie? |
| 15:54.00 | BlenderPro | RoyK: thank you! |
| 15:54.06 | dontknow | jlim, it just runs on the background and logs |
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| 15:54.35 | mztubbz_ | hello toota |
| 15:54.35 | jelly | jlim: noone's fixing security issues for browsers and html rendering engines other than chromium and iceweasel |
| 15:54.41 | graymonkey_ | Hi |
| 15:55.01 | mztubbz_ | hello graymonkey_ |
| 15:55.06 | jlim | jelly thanks |
| 15:55.07 | mztubbz_ | ðð |
| 15:55.17 | graymonkey_ | Hi mztubbz_ |
| 15:55.25 | ktchk | wheezy mono4.3.2 is the latest version. libmono-winform2.0-cil need dependency any go around?? |
| 15:55.52 | jlim | jelly what happen to the maintainer for midori package? |
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| 15:57.13 | jelly | jlim: no idea, but security issues come at a rate that makes it impractical to fix anything but the browsers that have actual upstream support (chrome and firefox are upstream for chromium and iceweasel)) |
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| 15:58.26 | jelly | jlim: so feel free to use midori for known safe, internal web sites of your company. But if you access stuff on internet, all bets are off |
| 15:59.03 | jlim | thanks didn't know that. been using it for a few years |
| 15:59.18 | jelly | at that point you're basically relying on your browser and platform being obscure enough that noone targets it :-) |
| 15:59.21 | dontknow | midori from backports performs bad |
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| 15:59.57 | Amun_Ra | well, performs like midori |
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| 16:00.32 | dontknow | Amun_Ra, it performs better on trisquel somehow |
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| 16:01.26 | Amun_Ra | dontknow: in my experience it was never a speed demon ;> |
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| 16:02.01 | jelly | dontknow: might be the graphic stack versions rather than the browser itself |
| 16:02.30 | dontknow | jlim, you can use midori with firejail sanboxing |
| 16:02.38 | Shadow_7 | uzbl-browser runs like iceweasel, except that flash games are allowed to use the GPU |
| 16:02.51 | dontknow | jelly, yes it must be related with library or whatever |
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| 16:03.30 | Amun_Ra | or with selinux/apparmor |
| 16:04.09 | dontknow | Amun_Ra, they are confusing. firejail is simple |
| 16:05.13 | Amun_Ra | dontknow: apparmor is pretty straightforward, not as firejail, but still |
| 16:05.36 | Shadow_7 | security is still mostly an illusion though |
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| 16:06.11 | Amun_Ra | in what sense? |
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| 16:06.28 | Shadow_7 | in that if you can read it, then someone else can. |
| 16:06.48 | Shadow_7 | as long as the packets can flow, they will flow. |
| 16:07.13 | Shadow_7 | flash barely made it 20 days between updates. |
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| 16:07.42 | Amun_Ra | payload, yes, not exactly meaningful content |
| 16:07.42 | Shadow_7 | and various things that can vnc your X over port 53 |
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| 16:07.58 | dontknow | Shadow_7, you shouldn't have installed flash anyways |
| 16:08.13 | Shadow_7 | can't watch hulu without it |
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| 16:08.53 | dontknow | Shadow_7, have fun with your illusion then |
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| 16:09.15 | Shadow_7 | I don't do financials online, so meh |
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| 16:09.55 | Amun_Ra | you can setup browser in lxc container, it works quite fine |
| 16:09.58 | Shadow_7 | plus aint nothing that I have that isn't already "public" on my banks site, google, some .gov, or other "business" |
| 16:10.02 | dontknow | i think security is not an illusion for majority |
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| 16:10.54 | Shadow_7 | I can even google map a satelite image of my neighbors backyard |
| 16:11.17 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
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| 16:11.52 | Shadow_7 | thousands of dollars spent on a heft fence and aint no privacy |
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| 16:12.54 | dontknow | Shadow_7, lay a tinfoil hat on that backyard :D |
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| 16:15.35 | jlim | dontknow: is there a problem with zeitgeist? |
| 16:16.25 | dontknow | jlim, it works on background and logs and other supported softwares can reach that logs |
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| 16:16.57 | quux | does anyone have up to date information on ian murdock? |
| 16:17.15 | jlim | dontknow: is that a security issue? |
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| 16:17.34 | jelly | quux: no, but ask in #debian-offtopic and keep this channel for tech support questions |
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| 16:18.15 | dontknow | jlim, no. or it may be |
| 16:18.21 | jlim | dontknow: so i could open a zeitgeist log with a text editor? |
| 16:18.36 | dontknow | jlim, there is a gui for that |
| 16:18.53 | jlim | not even sure what zeitgeist is |
| 16:19.19 | dontknow | jlim, gnome-activity-journal - graphical user interface for Zeitgeist |
| 16:19.43 | dontknow | jlim, it logs like websites you enter. music you listen etc |
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| 16:20.02 | dontknow | opened files etc.. |
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| 16:21.21 | dontknow | jlim, in midori case, it is going to log what websites you entered |
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| 16:21.50 | jlim | wow i have gnome3 and just tried to install modori and it still wants to install zeitgeist. But gnome3 should already have zeitgeist intalled right? |
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| 16:23.01 | dontknow | i am also suprised that gnome 3 doesn't have zeitgeist by default |
| 16:23.22 | jlim | i am not liking zeitgeist :( |
| 16:23.30 | dontknow | hahaha |
| 16:23.43 | dontknow | i told you! :D |
| 16:23.50 | jlim | didn't know that gnome3 uses that |
| 16:24.25 | jlim | if i had known i would have chosen another DE |
| 16:24.56 | dontknow | jlim, but you said it is not installed by default |
| 16:25.21 | jlim | yeah it was in stalled by gnome3 |
| 16:25.25 | jlim | already |
| 16:25.35 | jlim | already installed :( |
| 16:25.41 | dontknow | oh. ok |
| 16:26.00 | dontknow | install xfce :D |
| 16:26.12 | jlim | i was really liking gnome3 too |
| 16:26.22 | jlim | now i hate it |
| 16:26.25 | jlim | lol |
| 16:27.02 | jlim | i wonder if i uninstall it will gnome3 still work? |
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| 16:29.10 | Cezikos | Debian use 44M RAM without GUI, is it possible to use less memory? :D |
| 16:29.24 | Cezikos | only console mode |
| 16:29.34 | Shadow_7 | Cezikos: service --status-all |
| 16:29.42 | Shadow_7 | anything you don't need... stop |
| 16:30.04 | Djole | if you need it to run on less than 44MB ram then you're doing something wrong |
| 16:30.14 | blind | Hm, how can I get proper unicode working? I could have sworn I got it working by installing "unifont" but some characters are making my terminal crazy and they don't render properly. like the "fancy" quotes some people use sometimes, or the "shrug" emoticon thing. |
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| 16:30.35 | Shadow_7 | Cezikos: you can also modprobe -r all the drivers for the hardware you're not using |
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| 16:30.48 | jelly | Cezikos: to what end? apt and dpkg need upwards of 128MB when you're patching the system, these days |
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| 16:31.31 | Shadow_7 | But.... must have... more.... fps for a game |
| 16:31.32 | jelly | and that's on 32bit intel |
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| 16:32.25 | blind | Free RAM is wasted RAM :D |
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| 16:32.44 | dontknow | blind, agreed |
| 16:32.48 | Cezikos | I would like to use just only less ram 4fun :D. |
| 16:32.56 | Shadow_7 | but unused RAM is more cpu cycles since they weren't wasted managing used ram |
| 16:33.14 | Cezikos | Example, when your www server has 32M RAM? :D |
| 16:33.42 | jelly | Cezikos: when your www server has 32M RAM, you don't use a normal debian setup |
| 16:33.49 | Shadow_7 | less used ram and more cpu cycles left unused == better battery life |
| 16:34.09 | jelly | you use a distro for embedded systems |
| 16:34.18 | Shadow_7 | debian is such a distro |
| 16:34.26 | jelly | negative on that |
| 16:34.31 | Shadow_7 | (relative to everything else mainstream) |
| 16:34.34 | Cezikos | @jelly I'm new in linux and I learn and learn :D |
| 16:35.00 | Shadow_7 | I can get a netinstall iso at 200M... the only fedora iso is like 4Gs |
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| 16:35.15 | jelly | Cezikos: oh, if it's just for fun, then inspect what's running and see what you don't need, as they said |
| 16:35.51 | jelly | Shadow_7: I'm not sure how the installer size correlates with ram usage |
| 16:36.19 | blind | Shadow_7: You can get a ~400MB Fedora netinst ISO btw |
| 16:36.36 | Shadow_7 | probably the same as ice cream sales correlate to rape |
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| 16:41.16 | jhutchins | Shadow_7: You shouldn't need to remove any loaded modules - they only load if the hardware's detected. |
| 16:41.46 | Shadow_7 | jhutchins: well, I'm not always using said hardware... bluetooth, webcam, printer, ... rarely |
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| 16:42.28 | dontknow | jhutchins, you are debian developer with long hair right? |
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| 16:43.12 | jhutchins | dontknow: Nope. |
| 16:43.25 | dontknow | lol ok |
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| 16:45.32 | reubenabrams | Hi, everyone. I would appreciate suggestions on the best way to make X launch a specific binary (instead of openbox or whatever) at boot-time. This Debian box is configured to auto-login as a specific user & boot to the GUI (openbox). I would like to make it boot to a specific binary, which occupies the whole screen and doesnât need/want window decorators etc. There are 3 or 4 ways to do it, but whatâs the least hack-ish w |
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| 16:46.13 | Shadow_7 | reubenabrams: xinit... for .xinitrc and startx |
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| 16:46.27 | blind | yeah, that. |
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| 16:46.42 | Shadow_7 | which is probably how it's already geared with .bashrc or something to autorun it |
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| 16:47.06 | Amun_Ra | reubenabrams: .xinitrc? |
| 16:47.32 | reubenabrams | Makes sense. Thanks! :) |
| 16:47.41 | Amun_Ra | "exec app" will start given app w/o window manager |
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| 16:48.05 | Shadow_7 | various display managers could probably be setup for it too. And probably the most dumb downed way |
| 16:48.47 | Amun_Ra | it's easier to set up kiosk mode that way |
| 16:48.48 | reubenabrams | At present, it goes boot => runlevel 5 => lightDM => openbox. Since the app has to run as root anyway, Iâm hoping .xinirc will be executed prior to lightDM. |
| 16:49.07 | Shadow_7 | instead of more likely |
| 16:49.16 | Shadow_7 | but you'd have to change that manually |
| 16:49.25 | reubenabrams | Perfect. |
| 16:49.36 | Shadow_7 | !default-display-manager |
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| 16:49.43 | Shadow_7 | !nodm |
| 16:49.43 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 16:49.55 | Amun_Ra | reubenabrams: it'll start the app w/o openbxo |
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| 16:50.02 | Amun_Ra | reubenabrams: https://wiki.debian.org/Xinitrc |
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| 16:51.26 | reubenabrams | <3 |
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| 16:53.50 | rsync | hi all |
| 16:53.54 | rsync | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzxJ8mZq4_Q (1:18:55 - 1:20:00) |
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| 16:55.55 | blind | On the one hand, I'm curious. On the other hand, random youtube links.. |
| 16:56.04 | reubenabrams | rsync: Your video has given me a craving for nachos. This mind control stuff works, apparently. |
| 16:56.09 | blind | btw rsync you can add &t=1h18m55s |
| 16:56.17 | rsync | ;) |
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| 16:56.22 | Amun_Ra | of #t= |
| 16:56.25 | Amun_Ra | or* |
| 16:56.32 | rsync | wake up, they launched war at us |
| 16:56.41 | reubenabrams | Then again, Iâm mentally vulnerable right now. Iâve just replaced my MacBookâs keyboard. There must have been 40 tiny screws everywhere. It looked as if my laptop had crabs. |
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| 17:03.15 | dontknow | rsync, what video is it? |
| 17:03.40 | rsync | the link? |
| 17:03.52 | dontknow | yes |
| 17:03.58 | rsync | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzxJ8mZq4_Q (1:18:55 - 1:20:00) |
| 17:04.02 | Shadow_7 | the copyright violations alone of that video |
| 17:04.18 | rsync | copyright? lol |
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| 17:06.42 | Amun_Ra | flatearthers are always fun |
| 17:06.46 | dontknow | rsync, i watched it and didn't understand |
| 17:07.16 | Shadow_7 | watching it from youtube-dl, so no closed captioning |
| 17:07.26 | rsync | is up to you to think about, i dont say that all in this video is true. think yourself, is this way that infos become valuable |
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| 17:08.32 | rsync | but one is for sure |
| 17:08.35 | Amun_Ra | âThere is a distinct difference between having an open mind and having a hole in your head from which your brain leaks out.â â James Randi |
| 17:08.40 | rsync | they launched us war |
| 17:08.50 | Amun_Ra | who are "they"? |
| 17:08.50 | Shadow_7 | I'm more worried about how infos become UN-available |
| 17:09.12 | reubenabrams | Amun_Ra: Jews/African Americans/lizards/French people/women/the Illuminati/the Build-a-bear group |
| 17:09.24 | Amun_Ra | reubenabrams: you forgot cyclists |
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| 17:09.39 | Shadow_7 | and cow poop |
| 17:09.51 | dontknow | what is going on |
| 17:09.57 | reubenabrams | I blame Apple. |
| 17:10.08 | rsync | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOGQh_TBOtI |
| 17:10.12 | rsync | @Amun_ra |
| 17:10.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | build-a-bear group, ha. |
| 17:10.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | iswydt. |
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| 17:10.42 | reubenabrams | :) |
| 17:10.50 | Amun_Ra | rsync: are you a flatearther? |
| 17:11.07 | rsync | i dont know what is true |
| 17:11.21 | rsync | i dont know what think i do need doing more investigation |
| 17:11.26 | Shadow_7 | hollowearther ftw |
| 17:11.35 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 17:11.35 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 17:12.11 | rsync | np dpkp |
| 17:12.22 | jelly | thanks |
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| 17:22.32 | durant | I am using 4 monitors how can I config them in debian |
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| 17:22.51 | Shadow_7 | durant: depends on your gpu and it's tools... or use xrandr |
| 17:23.05 | durant | I am using a gtx 980ti |
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| 17:23.28 | Shadow_7 | durant: proprietary driver? or nouveau? nvidia-config or was it nvidia-xconfig |
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| 17:24.35 | jelly | nvidia drivers have RandR 1.2 support these days. It's possible to just use xrandr or one of its gnome/kde/arandr wrappers |
| 17:25.04 | durant | I am using closed drivers |
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| 17:30.03 | jelly | durant: which desktop environment are you using? |
| 17:30.11 | durant | I am using mate |
| 17:30.45 | jelly | that's a gnome 2 descendant, right? It ought to have monitor or randr settings somewhere in its control panel |
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| 17:44.27 | brandnewbian | test post sorry |
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| 17:45.26 | brandnewbian | hi guys, how likely is it that I can chain bootloaders like this: truecrypt->windows 7 loader->grub2 debian? |
| 17:45.48 | brandnewbian | putting aside the obvious blasphemy |
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| 17:46.47 | markybob | brandnewbian, truecrypt's own website says "WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues" ...why would you use it? |
| 17:48.09 | brandnewbian | false: truecrypts website no longer exists. seriously though I'm just wondering if its feasible. Im having a problem with the debian installer. doesnt want to install grub anywhere but mbr |
| 17:48.27 | markybob | brandnewbian, sure it does. http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:49.04 | brandnewbian | lol, u mean that website that migrates to bitlocker? thats an inside joke guy |
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| 17:49.54 | brandnewbian | anyways I'm just wondering how I cn extract the debian bootloader off /boot and insert it into the win7 bootloader. pretty sure I can handle that part, just need to get the bootsector off debian into the right place. |
| 17:50.08 | Tarminquay | https://youtu.be/4kbJIi0X_SI "We are facing annihilation. We are facing complete destruction." |
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| 17:52.48 | Shadow_7 | Tarminquay: as we should... matthew 23:33 |
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| 17:53.09 | Tarminquay | Shadow_7: It's an interesting interview. |
| 17:53.26 | Shadow_7 | about d pics? |
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| 17:53.41 | aruban | hi |
| 17:53.53 | jelly | Tarminquay: dude. #debian-offtopic |
| 17:56.47 | Shadow_7 | I really should get off my tush and buy a 2nd hp stream 11 plus some memory cards / usb drives. But it's cold outside. |
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| 17:58.19 | jelly | brandnewbian: is this a bios or an uefi machine? |
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| 17:59.07 | jelly | brandnewbian: if it's bios, then _normally_ grub gets installed into the master boot record, and you should be able to chainload a copy of that |
| 18:01.07 | jelly | brandnewbian: you can instruct grub-install to put it in the boot record of the linux partition instead |
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| 18:02.01 | brandnewbian | jelly; whenever I try to put grub into the boot record of the linux part i get a fatal error in the debian8 installer... |
| 18:02.38 | brandnewbian | jelly; i ttried to put it a few other places as well and everything but MBR is fatal error and I have to go back. |
| 18:03.07 | brandnewbian | jelly; is that related to the debian installer detecting windows? |
| 18:03.53 | jelly | brandnewbian: wait, does putting it into MBR (eg. /dev/sda) produce a fatal error, or does putting it into boot record of linux partition (eg. /dev/sda2) ...? |
| 18:04.04 | brandnewbian | jelly; the latter |
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| 18:04.19 | brandnewbian | jelly; putting it into the MBR works fine. |
| 18:04.31 | jelly | but you want the windows code there because...? |
| 18:05.30 | brandnewbian | jelly; im trying something harder: uing truecrypt to encrypt the entire drive, bot volumes (win7 + linux). TC can only work with the win7 loader |
| 18:05.41 | jelly | I've only done chainloading from windows boot manager on XP. No idea how it's done on 7 |
| 18:06.39 | jelly | brandnewbian: even if you set up the boot loader, how is that going to work when you pass control off to linux kernel? |
| 18:06.44 | brandnewbian | jelly; I can work that part myself. I just need help with the debian install at this point. Im trying to do what you said about: put grub on same partition. I'm not currently running the installer, but I will be |
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| 18:07.31 | jelly | does truecrypt add its drivers to initraamfs? |
| 18:07.32 | brandnewbian | jelly; welp maybe I cant? theres not many TC's experts left so I'm assuiming this will work? or does TC use the windows kernel specifically for system encryption? |
| 18:08.00 | Amun_Ra | jelly: iirc no |
| 18:08.05 | jelly | brandnewbian: I don't see why it would work at all |
| 18:08.15 | Amun_Ra | jelly +1 |
| 18:08.19 | brandnewbian | jelly; go on...? what makes you say that? |
| 18:08.31 | jelly | assume you get boot loader working. |
| 18:08.41 | brandnewbian | jelly; im not sure either, I just thought I'd try it |
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| 18:09.04 | Amun_Ra | brandnewbian: how linux kernel would know what to do with tc encrypted sectors? |
| 18:09.14 | jelly | brandnewbian: what boot loader does is load linux kernel and early userspace ("initrd" or "initramfs") into memory, povides some parameters and passes control to linux kernel |
| 18:09.19 | brandnewbian | amun_ra; how does windows know? it doesnt....? |
| 18:10.05 | jelly | brandnewbian: after this point, linux has direct control of the hardware (unless TC runs a hypervisor which is not bloody likely) |
| 18:10.15 | Amun_Ra | brandnewbian: hint - TC runs while Windows is running |
| 18:10.17 | Shadow_7 | I let the UEFI be my bootloader... push power... spam ESC... select the boot device |
| 18:10.38 | brandnewbian | Shadow_7, is that advice for me cuz Ive thought of doing this as well? |
| 18:10.51 | jelly | brandnewbian: so all the code and drivers needed to use the disk storage have to be present in initramfs or built in straight in the kernel |
| 18:11.08 | brandnewbian | jelly; ok that makes sense... are you 100% on this? |
| 18:11.13 | jelly | positive |
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| 18:11.27 | brandnewbian | well thats 3 days of my life I'm not getting back |
| 18:11.33 | Shadow_7 | all if your boot mediums are detache-able... connect the one you want to boot ONLY and it boots it |
| 18:11.52 | Amun_Ra | brandnewbian: I am 100% sure it won't work |
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| 18:12.08 | brandnewbian | so If I put grub on the linux partition, I can use my BIOS' UEFI features to boot it? |
| 18:12.31 | markybob | as long as it doesn't use secure boot |
| 18:12.36 | jelly | brandnewbian: there's a fork of TC called veracrypt. I'd hunt for their support venues and ask if your goal is possible |
| 18:12.39 | brandnewbian | (and I'll just use volume encryption instead) |
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| 18:13.37 | brandnewbian | thanks jelly and Amun_Ra for clearing that up. I'll check that veracrypt but honestly... I dont trust contemporary encryption |
| 18:14.09 | markybob | but for some reasone you trust truecrypt which claimed it was broken and is unmaintained. interesting. |
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| 18:14.35 | Amun_Ra | I would go with luks and forgot about tcplay |
| 18:14.45 | brandnewbian | the truecrypt shutdown was a harbinger: either there's a backdoor built in, or it doesnt exist. same thing with snowdens lavabit or whatever. |
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| 18:15.11 | brandnewbian | Amun_Ra, thats what I'll do. is there a benchmarking tool for LUKS? |
| 18:15.29 | brandnewbian | Amun_Ra, like for figuring out read\write speeds under AES or whatever? |
| 18:15.44 | Amun_Ra | brandnewbian: uhm, not automagical like in tc/vc |
| 18:15.48 | Shadow_7 | all it takes is computing power to crack encryption anyway. And state actors have plenty |
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| 18:16.21 | jelly | brandnewbian: if your CPU has aes-ni support, there's a negligible throughput hit (5% ish) |
| 18:16.27 | brandnewbian | my secrets really arent that big.. but when all your top secrets walk out the door on a USB stick, just assume China's got the keys already. |
| 18:16.51 | brandnewbian | jelly; ok so just stick with the default AES settings? |
| 18:16.56 | Amun_Ra | that's pretty close to wearinig tinfoil hat ;> |
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| 18:17.03 | jelly | brandnewbian: don't really remember TBH |
| 18:17.08 | brandnewbian | Amun_Ra, its a lead foil hat, tyvm. |
| 18:17.31 | Amun_Ra | :P |
| 18:17.37 | jelly | I used what the cryptsetup docs suggested, not what debian installer did |
| 18:18.17 | brandnewbian | jelly; well ive done this for bootsticks alot... I must have /boot uncrypted right, theres no way around that. Is there downside to making /boot read only? |
| 18:18.48 | Amun_Ra | there is also kali's nuke cryptsetup patch for extra protection; haven't tested it yet |
| 18:18.51 | jelly | brandnewbian: it needs to be rw when you upgrade kernels or edit boot config, otherwise on |
| 18:18.53 | jelly | no* |
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| 18:19.12 | Amun_Ra | jelly: you can do that automagically |
| 18:19.15 | brandnewbian | jelly; i can make it write at any time? |
| 18:19.40 | Amun_Ra | brandnewbian: it was a good idea when grub dcouldn't read ext4, now not so really |
| 18:19.43 | jelly | Amun_Ra: yeah, no, I don't like peppering apt.conf with Dpkg:: triggers |
| 18:20.12 | brandnewbian | what is this cryptodocs thing? |
| 18:20.26 | jelly | cryptsetup is just a different name for LUKS really |
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| 18:22.14 | Amun_Ra | mhm |
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| 18:22.23 | Amun_Ra | and the name of the package |
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| 18:23.45 | brandnewbian | ok well thanks for all the help guys. I'll be back and look forward to being a debian newbie. cheers |
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| 18:24.45 | brandnewbian | actually one last question: iceweasel... is it a reasonable broser to use everyday, and how is the plugin compatibility with firefox? |
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| 18:25.08 | jelly | it ought to be 100%, if it's not, that's a bug |
| 18:25.24 | brandnewbian | jelly; ok sweet ill try it out |
| 18:25.41 | jelly | it's just firefox rebranded and built with a different compiler |
| 18:26.00 | baum | does "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" only install grub? or can it detect wether grub is already installed and configure it to work with the new system |
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| 18:27.57 | jelly | baum: in my experience, it nukes any previous instance of GRUB MBR code if it's there, sets itself up, then additional scripts from os-prober package look at connected disks and filesystems and add known OS installations to this grub's menu |
| 18:28.06 | mztubbz_ | graymonkey_: you would want to respond |
| 18:28.13 | OdicforceSounds | hi all, can anyone tell me a terminal pastebin app/script to paste raw files? |
| 18:28.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | xclip. |
| 18:28.38 | baum | jelly: good to know thanks |
| 18:28.45 | blind | OdicforceSounds: termbin. command | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 18:28.52 | baum | OdicforceSounds: pastebinit |
| 18:29.11 | blind | or sprunge.us |
| 18:29.24 | jelly | baum: so, no it does not work with existing grub at all. But if you asked "does it work with existing linux, bsd or windows installations" then the answer is yes |
| 18:29.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | piping to xclip and then pasting from clipboard to pastebin of your choice works well for me. |
| 18:29.41 | OdicforceSounds | wow.. so many :D thank you all! |
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| 18:29.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | (xclip is just a way to get things from terminal to your clipboard) |
| 18:30.00 | blind | NoImNotNineVolt: but why the extra step? |
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| 18:30.11 | blind | extra two steps if you count clicking the submit button |
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| 18:30.14 | baum | jelly: alright thanks, sounds risky though |
| 18:30.15 | jelly | baum: if you want to have multiple linux installs on the same system, pick one to take care of grub |
| 18:30.18 | blind | or three steps if you count loading up the pastebin site |
| 18:30.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | blind: more use cases. sometimes you want to copy from file to pastebin, but sometimes you want to copy from file to slashdot. i dunno. |
| 18:30.35 | OdicforceSounds | I want to past files like logs / coding |
| 18:30.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's a more general solution. |
| 18:31.03 | baum | OdicforceSounds: command | pastebinit //will return the link to the pastebin which was created |
| 18:31.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | sometimes you're pasting to an irc-channel-specific pastebin. i dunno. i'd rather not have a million different pastebin scripts. |
| 18:31.30 | blind | I just use termbin or sprunge for everything. |
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| 18:32.19 | OdicforceSounds | baum: yes... I test it.. I can do pastebinit PATH/TO/file works well ! thank you so much! |
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| 18:34.34 | Scriptonaut | Hey guys, I'm using dwm on debian jessie. I can set a bg image with feh, but how do I make it stay there next time I login? It isn't there the second time I login. I'm using lightdm, so I can't use .xinitrc. I run my own dwmstart script to exec dwm |
| 18:34.54 | Tarminquay | "America is a conquered nation. America is a nation that is controlled by Jewish extremists." Wow. |
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| 18:35.31 | Scriptonaut | did I miss something? |
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| 18:36.11 | jelly | Scriptonaut: can you enter arbitrary commands to be executed in that dwmstart config file? |
| 18:36.27 | Scriptonaut | it's a bash script |
| 18:36.29 | Scriptonaut | so I think so |
| 18:36.32 | jelly | ha |
| 18:36.39 | Scriptonaut | can I just put the feh command after exec dwm |
| 18:36.44 | jelly | before it. |
| 18:36.48 | Scriptonaut | oh, ok |
| 18:36.51 | Scriptonaut | I'll try that |
| 18:36.58 | Scriptonaut | before, when I put commands before it, it wasn't launching dwm at all |
| 18:37.11 | Scriptonaut | I tried exec rofi before the exec dwm, and it wouldn't load dwm, just a blank screen |
| 18:37.12 | jelly | don't "exec " them |
| 18:37.18 | Scriptonaut | oh |
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| 18:37.23 | Scriptonaut | noob question, what does exec do |
| 18:37.26 | jelly | exec replaces the bash process with what is exec'd |
| 18:37.26 | Scriptonaut | and why do I have to use exec |
| 18:37.27 | zykotick9 | Scriptonaut: use "command &" as well |
| 18:37.33 | Scriptonaut | oh, ok |
| 18:37.35 | Scriptonaut | good thinking |
| 18:37.41 | jelly | so it's effectively the last command in the script, always |
| 18:37.42 | Scriptonaut | thanks zykotick9 and jelly |
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| 18:39.45 | Scriptonaut | cool, that worked |
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| 18:40.47 | Scriptonaut | does anyone know of an irc channel that would have people who use dwm who could help me out? |
| 18:40.53 | jelly | !dwm |
| 18:40.53 | dpkg | dwm (dynamic window manager) can manage windows in tiling and floating modes. http://dwm.suckless.org/ #suckless at irc.oftc.net. See also <window manager>. |
| 18:41.03 | Scriptonaut | oh, oftc.net |
| 18:41.04 | Scriptonaut | htanks |
| 18:41.21 | zykotick9 | Scriptonaut: just curious, are you using the dwm: package from debian; the source package from debian; or other? |
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| 18:41.25 | jelly | Scriptonaut: also known as "irc.debian.org" in case you're already connected there |
| 18:41.25 | Agiofws | hello |
| 18:41.44 | blind | oh i didn't know irc.oftc.net was irc.debian.org |
| 18:41.44 | Scriptonaut | zykotick9: I got the source from git, and I compiled it myself |
| 18:41.46 | Scriptonaut | after modifying the source code |
| 18:42.02 | Scriptonaut | oh cool |
| 18:42.04 | Scriptonaut | I didn't know that either |
| 18:42.07 | zykotick9 | Scriptonaut: ahhh. i was just curious. /me uses debian's src himself |
| 18:42.15 | Scriptonaut | cool |
| 18:42.23 | Agiofws | i've managed to install jessie but because i had to reinstall grub the repositories were omitted can anyone give me a list of netinstalls default source.list ? |
| 18:42.27 | Scriptonaut | I'm on a 10 year old machine, so I needed osmething with a light footprint |
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| 18:42.45 | Agiofws | Scriptonaut: xfce4 |
| 18:42.47 | iresf | hi everone |
| 18:42.55 | Agiofws | and lightdm as login amanger |
| 18:43.07 | Scriptonaut | xfce4 is heavyweight |
| 18:43.10 | iresf | i installed dbian 8 on my laptop but i can not login graphically |
| 18:43.11 | vuxor | mate also good choice |
| 18:43.15 | Scriptonaut | it takes 70+ MB memory |
| 18:43.19 | Scriptonaut | dwm takes 1MB |
| 18:43.20 | zykotick9 | Scriptonaut: personlly, i really like the horizontal patch |
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| 18:43.33 | Scriptonaut | I just started with dwm, so far the only patch I have is better borders |
| 18:43.42 | Scriptonaut | vuxor: I love mate :) |
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| 18:43.48 | Scriptonaut | I was a giant fan of gnome21 |
| 18:43.48 | blind | I've been playing with bspwm and really like it. |
| 18:43.50 | Scriptonaut | gnome2* |
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| 18:43.53 | Agiofws | does anyone have a default source.lst for jessie ? |
| 18:43.58 | Scriptonaut | Agiofws: one sec |
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| 18:44.09 | iresf | Scriptonaut : which does take 70 m memory ? mate or xfce ? |
| 18:44.14 | Scriptonaut | Agiofws: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f596c52548525d14fe15 |
| 18:44.18 | mtn | Agiofws: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 18:44.21 | Scriptonaut | iresf: xfce4 |
| 18:44.34 | Scriptonaut | Agiofws: I have the testing sources and backports in there fyi, you might wanna remove them |
| 18:44.59 | Scriptonaut | openbox is a great lightweight WM, only uses 7MB memory |
| 18:45.02 | iresf | Scriptonaut : how many memory take mate ? |
| 18:45.07 | Scriptonaut | let me check |
| 18:45.19 | blind | I always preferred fluxbox to openbox. |
| 18:45.31 | Scriptonaut | mate uses 42MB |
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| 18:46.02 | Scriptonaut | KDE is the most bloated, at 201 MB ram |
| 18:46.08 | iresf | Scriptonaut : mate isnt better than xfce ? what is your idea i am new in debian |
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| 18:46.20 | Scriptonaut | iresf: it's all up to personal preference |
| 18:46.25 | Scriptonaut | I prefer mate to xfce |
| 18:46.31 | Scriptonaut | I'm just talking about performance |
| 18:46.46 | Scriptonaut | well, memory usage, not performance |
| 18:47.05 | iresf | Scriptonaut :very well i also think it is good for amd cpu that is slower than intel |
| 18:47.23 | Scriptonaut | my computer is using the first ever core 2 duo (e6300), with 2GB ram |
| 18:47.31 | Scriptonaut | so it's kinda slow |
| 18:47.38 | iresf | oh |
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| 18:48.10 | iresf | i have amd cpu quad core and it equals to intel pentium cpu |
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| 18:51.52 | iresf | i was installing debian and then it said me : missing rtlwifi / rtl8723befw.bin |
| 18:52.22 | zykotick9 | iresf: do you need wireless to install? |
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| 18:53.10 | iresf | zykotick9 : i installed debian but it can not connect by wifi |
| 18:54.08 | zykotick9 | iresf: that's because you're missing non-free firmware.... good luck, sorry i don't really want to help further - buy better hardware next time ;) but, good luck. hopefully it's an easy install. |
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| 18:55.29 | Scriptonaut | iresf: I've dealt with those problems, they are a real pain to fix |
| 18:55.34 | RunCMD | hello there, i am trying to install jessie onto a server via netinstall, is saying that it needs nonfree firmware for the broadcom NIC... i have the firmware on a FAT32 USB drive but when I select "Yes" to load them it just asks for them again... any helps? |
| 18:55.43 | Scriptonaut | ya, Broadcom |
| 18:55.54 | iresf | oh thats right |
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| 18:56.46 | blind | RunCMD: I had a similar issue and what fixed it was.... I switched the usb ports i had the flash drives plugged into and rebooted to the flash drive again. didn't even get the screen asking me if i wanted to load, it just automagically worked. ymmv of course lol.. |
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| 18:57.15 | Scriptonaut | iresf: you sure the firmware isn't an exe or anything like that? |
| 18:57.23 | mordocai | In case anyone hasn't seen http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ |
| 18:57.27 | blind | RunCMD: Do you have the packages or the actual firmware on the stick? |
| 18:57.35 | Scriptonaut | do you have an ethernet cable? Try plugging that in, then download the firmware from non-free repos |
| 18:57.41 | blind | And they're right on the root of the stick, right? |
| 18:57.43 | RunCMD | blind: i thought this might be the issue so i did just that, from the front USB to one of the two ports on the back... it is still doing it, so now im wondering if it shouldn't be fat32 or if i need to put the drivers into the root of the media or what |
| 18:57.55 | blind | yes they need to be root of the media. |
| 18:57.56 | RunCMD | blind: noooo |
| 18:58.06 | RunCMD | blind: okay i'll brb! thanks |
| 18:58.08 | blind | fat32 should be fine, it was for me |
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| 18:59.38 | socomm | Have you guys seen this: http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ |
| 19:00.30 | mordocai | socomm: Yeah, I just posted it as well. |
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| 19:00.39 | mordocai | Probably will get a bunch of people joining to paste that |
| 19:01.12 | socomm | mordocai: Fake? |
| 19:01.16 | cwong_on_irc | my coworker just informed me⦠|
| 19:01.21 | mordocai | socomm: That is definitely not fake |
| 19:01.30 | socomm | mordocai: Wow. :^( |
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| 19:01.58 | socomm | mordocai: Has cause of death been determined? |
| 19:01.59 | mordocai | socomm: Yeah, most of these things don't have an emotional impact on me because i'm a narcissistic bastard but this is hitting. |
| 19:02.18 | mordocai | socomm: Not released. |
| 19:02.28 | mordocai | AFAIK |
| 19:02.31 | socomm | mordocai: I've been searching but only saw some post on reddit about him talking suicide on twitter. |
| 19:02.48 | socomm | Figured it might be fake. |
| 19:02.50 | mordocai | socomm: yeah, i'm trying not to spread that too much in case that was fake. Seems too much of a coincidence though. |
| 19:03.02 | mordocai | socomm: I think death is true, still hoping twitter is fake but... yeah. |
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| 19:03.21 | socomm | Yes. Sad either way. |
| 19:03.26 | mordocai | Yeah. Either way we lost him. |
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| 19:03.32 | jelly | socomm, mordocai: can you comment on this in #debian-offtopic instead and keep this channel for our living users? |
| 19:03.47 | mordocai | jelly: I don't believe it is offtopic |
| 19:04.06 | jelly | I do believe it's not tech support. |
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| 19:04.24 | mordocai | Is the topic for #debian tech support only? I was not aware. |
| 19:04.31 | cra1g321 | it is |
| 19:04.52 | mordocai | Should probably say that in the topic then :P |
| 19:05.05 | cra1g321 | it's rather common sense |
| 19:05.06 | jelly | mordocai: tech support takes precedence, in any case. |
| 19:05.09 | dfdsaflkjdsh | is the news about Ian true? |
| 19:05.20 | Wsewolod | Ask in Off-topic, please |
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| 19:05.24 | mordocai | dfdsaflkjdsh: see #debian-offtopic apparently |
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| 19:05.28 | socomm | Hmm, don't see many people asking for tech support. I'll drop it regardless. |
| 19:05.42 | jelly | thank you. |
| 19:05.47 | dfdsaflkjdsh | ....okay....I would think asking if your founder is alive or not wouldn't be offtopic but whatever |
| 19:05.54 | Wsewolod | 1588 people talking about a tweet here wouldn't be very productive |
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| 19:06.05 | mordocai | dfdsaflkjdsh: Yeah, that was just being discussed. This channel is for tech support. |
| 19:06.08 | socomm | dfdsaflkjdsh: Technically this isn't the official Debian channel. So.... |
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| 19:06.28 | iresf | how to install mate on debian 8 ? does it have repository of mate default ? |
| 19:06.49 | socomm | iresf: Check google, there should be countless guides on that. |
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| 19:07.20 | markybob | ,v mate |
| 19:07.21 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in amd64. |
| 19:07.40 | socomm | iresf: http://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_8&p=x&f=4 |
| 19:07.56 | markybob | iresf, weird judd didn't see it. but yes. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mate |
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| 19:08.05 | Amun_Ra | ,v task-mate-desktop |
| 19:08.05 | judd | Package: task-mate-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; sid: 3.34; stretch: 3.34 |
| 19:08.08 | cra1g321 | if only there was a awesome wiki page that told you how to install it... |
| 19:08.22 | cra1g321 | maybe this wiki page could be named https://wiki.debian.org/Mate or something, i dont know... |
| 19:08.29 | cra1g321 | ;) |
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| 19:09.11 | *** topic/#debian by jelly -> Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.2; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog | for the time being, please directs comments on Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:09.27 | *** topic/#debian by jelly -> Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.2; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog | for the time being, please direct comments on Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:10.15 | cra1g321 | good idea jelly, lets hope people see it |
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| 19:10.31 | mordocai | Yeah, +1 on topic addition. |
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| 19:12.57 | RunCMD | blind: that was it, put the .fw files in root of media, rebooted, selected 'yes' at that menu, took me to the NIC and DHCP'd. Thanks! |
| 19:13.07 | blind | no problem :D |
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| 19:14.43 | quux | http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ |
| 19:14.50 | mordocai | quux: see topic |
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| 19:15.04 | hiya | Omg look jxself is here :) |
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| 19:17.34 | deego | quux: https://archive.is/9HF4c someone pasted this elsewhere |
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| 19:26.35 | factor | Saw that Ian Murdock has passed away |
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| 19:26.53 | factor | Very sad day for the Debian project indeed. |
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| 19:27.22 | quux | i don't give a shit about debian since systemd was forced upon us but i really feel sad for ian |
| 19:27.29 | alynpost | factor: #debian-offtopic is serving as a memorial, should you wish to discuss it. |
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| 19:27.57 | tite12345 | My deepest condolences to Ian Murdock! |
| 19:27.59 | tite12345 | https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ |
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| 19:29.21 | du | hello |
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| 19:30.42 | wintrmute | is this news about ian murdock true? |
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| 19:30.51 | quux | yeah |
| 19:30.54 | mordocai | wintrmute: yes #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:33.27 | KurtKraut | At blog.docker.com there is a post today stating that Ian Murdock (creator of Debian) died. I couldn't find any other source of this information. Could anyone help me clarifying it? |
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| 19:33.51 | alynpost | KurtKraut: #debian-offtopic is hosting a memorial. |
| 19:34.11 | Devastator | KurtKraut it's true, but there's not much information about it |
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| 19:35.24 | BlenderProXpwned | hi I have a question |
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| 19:36.16 | BlenderProXpwned | I want to mount /tmp to another partition on another usb drive but I can't, mounting it thorugh fstab failed |
| 19:36.19 | KurtKraut | alynpost, Devastator, Is there any other 'official' source of this information? |
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| 19:36.27 | BlenderProXpwned | I made sure the uuid is correct |
| 19:36.30 | retrojeff | channel topic needs to inlcude the passing of ian murdock |
| 19:36.37 | retrojeff | include |
| 19:36.41 | alynpost | BlenderProXpwned: what error do you get? |
| 19:36.45 | Devastator | KurtKraut the most "official" one is the post in docker blog |
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| 19:37.11 | greycat | BlenderProXpwned: does "df /tmp" show it to be part of the / file system, or an independent tmpfs device? |
| 19:37.25 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> Ian Murdock -> #debian-offtopic ; Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.2; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 19:37.32 | BlenderProXpwned | alynpost: I get stop job or something like that and a [depend] message next to trying to mount the /tmp partition |
| 19:37.39 | stew | retrojeff: it already did, moved it to the front |
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| 19:38.06 | alynpost | During boot or when you mount by hand? |
| 19:38.13 | greycat | It never said *what* the Ian Murdock thing is about. I spent a few minutes trying to figure it out from mailing list archives and so on. There was nothing. |
| 19:38.19 | BlenderProXpwned | greycat: right now I'm sure is standard because I commented out the line on fstab |
| 19:38.33 | greycat | BlenderProXpwned: why guess when you can just type "df /tmp"? |
| 19:38.39 | alynpost | ^-- +1 |
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| 19:39.15 | BlenderProXpwned | greycat: it says is mounted on / |
| 19:39.36 | victorhck | really sad news: https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html:_( |
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| 19:39.48 | victorhck | https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html |
| 19:39.52 | victorhck | :_( |
| 19:39.59 | scwizard | Hello. The bootstrap-vz ansible plugin is undocumented. Do you know anywhere I can find information on it? |
| 19:40.02 | alynpost | victorhck: there is a memorial for Ian on #debian-offtopic right now, please direct links and discussion there. |
| 19:40.04 | greycat | All right, then you should be able to mount a device at /tmp, at least in single user mode with nothing else using a file in /tmp. If things are running you may need to mv /tmp /tmp.bak; mkdir /tmp; chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 19:40.05 | scwizard | like some random tutorial someone's written |
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| 19:40.21 | victorhck | sorry alynpost |
| 19:40.39 | alynpost | Be well. |
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| 19:41.06 | alynpost | greycat is on the right track BlenderProXpwned; you should try mounting at other-than-/tmp to see if you can make that work next. |
| 19:41.09 | BlenderProXpwned | greycat: I want to run /tmp onto a lonely file system on a usb drive different from the one I'm using |
| 19:41.31 | BlenderProXpwned | greycat: and there is not /tmp folder there just an empty partition |
| 19:41.33 | greycat | Did my suggestion work? |
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| 19:41.57 | BlenderProXpwned | greycat: do you want me to change the /tmp folder while is running? |
| 19:42.08 | greycat | Even if you don't mv the existing /tmp aside, it might still work. I just am not in a position to test it. |
| 19:42.18 | scwizard | i'll take that as a "no one has any idea what you're talking about" |
| 19:42.18 | scwizard | oh well |
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| 19:42.42 | alynpost | shrugs |
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| 19:43.25 | BlenderProXpwned | can someone guide me tru the processing of setting my fstab to use another /tmp after reboot |
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| 19:43.48 | greycat | The problem is how to identify the correct device to mount on /tmp. |
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| 19:44.08 | alynpost | that's a google-level request; it has a lot of moving parts. |
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| 19:45.52 | greycat | If it's a removable USB thingy, you need to do something like grabbing the file system's UUID and using that in fstab. |
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| 19:46.40 | BlenderProXpwned | http://paste.debian.net/357405/ |
| 19:46.45 | BlenderProXpwned | greycat: ^^ |
| 19:47.03 | greycat | what about it? |
| 19:47.07 | alynpost | oh, I think you need to bump the pass parameter to 1. |
| 19:47.32 | alynpost | hrm, but I can't explain why / is set to 1. |
| 19:47.42 | BlenderProXpwned | oh wait I rememember now |
| 19:47.49 | BlenderProXpwned | I put my usb drive on the tv! |
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| 19:48.01 | greycat | alynpost: that seems to be normal. Mine is, and I don't recall ever touching it. |
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| 19:48.24 | alynpost | the pass flag is used to mount nested filesystems. so /var vs /var/tmp. |
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| 19:48.30 | alynpost | you can't mount /var/tmp before mounting /var without masking it. |
| 19:48.38 | alynpost | and you can't mount /tmp without mounting / for the same reason. |
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| 19:49.05 | greycat | So his /tmp line would have 0 2 at the end, not a problem. |
| 19:49.19 | greycat | The problem is getting the UUID or the label or whatever is needed to identify it. |
| 19:49.23 | alynpost | agreed. |
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| 19:49.44 | BlenderProXpwned | brb |
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| 19:56.06 | CQ | https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html : ( |
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| 19:57.03 | alynpost | CQ: there is a memorial at #debian-offtopic, links about Ian should be directed there please. |
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| 20:01.26 | chdrsto | Hi guys ... i just saw a weird info ... Ian Murdock (Debian founder) died? |
| 20:01.50 | cra1g321 | <chdrsto> please talk about it in #debian-offtopic, thanks |
| 20:01.55 | alynpost | chdrsto: it's true, head to #deban-offtopic for a memorial and to discuss it. |
| 20:02.13 | chdrsto | sorry, ... |
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| 20:04.44 | Digit | i just heard the news... is it true? :( ian passed away? took own life? |
| 20:04.55 | cra1g321 | Digit , please talk about it in #debian-offtopic, thanks |
| 20:05.05 | Digit | thnx, ok |
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| 20:05.46 | alynpost | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.49 | alynpost | gah. |
| 20:06.17 | alynpost | tah everyone. |
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| 20:14.01 | agile_prg | ian murdock is dead cuz why?!!!! |
| 20:14.14 | quux | suicide |
| 20:14.15 | jaerf | agile_prg: please talk about it in #debian-offtopic, thanks |
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| 20:16.55 | socomm | agile_prg quux Read the topic. |
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| 20:17.05 | quux | socomm, get fucked |
| 20:17.14 | socomm | jelly: ^ |
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| 20:18.55 | jelly | be excellent to each other, people |
| 20:19.14 | quux | kind words jelly |
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| 20:19.47 | cra1g321 | you could learn from jelly, quux |
| 20:19.56 | quux | stop this off topic garbage |
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| 20:21.34 | jelly | I just don't want to have to pull the hammer right now, if the majority finds the right place on their own, good. If the channel's busy with actual tech support then we'll see. |
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| 20:22.39 | December | Thank you Ian Murdock |
| 20:23.16 | franz_koopa | fuck tha police |
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| 20:23.26 | December | yep |
| 20:23.50 | cdrage | sad fucking day, I can't believe it |
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| 20:25.11 | socomm | Heh, the reddit crowd just entered. |
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| 20:25.32 | Ox0dea | What does that mean? |
| 20:25.43 | greycat | Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic. Thanks. |
| 20:25.47 | graymonkey_ | hides |
| 20:25.54 | quux | Ox0dea, he's calling me a redditor because he couldn't get me censored/banned |
| 20:25.56 | jelly | socomm: don't do that, please. |
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| 20:26.05 | jelly | quux: you too. |
| 20:26.09 | Ox0dea | greycat: Really? |
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| 20:27.28 | kimojia | the cops who attacked ian must be killed. |
| 20:27.38 | cra1g321 | <kimojia> please talk about it in #debian-offtopic, thanks |
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| 20:31.52 | cmhobbs | anyone have information on ian murdock's death? i've only seen a brazilian publication |
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| 20:32.20 | cra1g321 | <cmhobbs> please talk about it in #debian-offtopic, thanks |
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| 20:33.16 | teraflops | oh boy im getting bored |
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| 20:33.28 | franz_koopa | cmhobbs: this is allegedly his twitter log http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM |
| 20:33.29 | jhutchins | Somebody break something! |
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| 20:33.38 | cmhobbs | cra1g321, sorry, i didn't know that channel existed. thanks for the pointer |
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| 20:33.44 | cra1g321 | its ok |
| 20:33.45 | cmhobbs | franz_koopa, thank you |
| 20:34.00 | greycat | IRC: proving, once again, that NOBODY reads /topic |
| 20:34.14 | cmhobbs | funny enough, i scanned the topic for a link |
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| 20:34.26 | cmhobbs | didn't look close enough |
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| 20:34.29 | cmhobbs | i blame my colorscheme, though |
| 20:34.32 | eroomde | unless it's in capitol letters on the first line of a topic, people won't see it. |
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| 20:34.53 | eroomde | they just see a multiline thing and assume it's the usual RTFAQ |
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| 20:36.47 | BlenderPro | can someone guide me tru the steps of finding out why my debian on usb2 stick lags on certain instances like closing an audio file in audacity? I already using /tmp on another flash drive but the problem persists... is like it gets stuck while not doing anything! debian is slacking |
| 20:36.59 | jhutchins | eroomde: Then there are clients that only show the last line of the topic. |
| 20:37.37 | jhutchins | BlenderPro: Is it just a straight install or is it a persistent setup from pendrivelinux.com? |
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| 20:37.59 | gnihtyan | just past the topic in chat every 10 seconds and people will get the message |
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| 20:38.09 | BlenderPro | jhutchins: is a full install not persistent |
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| 20:38.37 | greycat | I'm surprised you didn't just make /tmp a tmpfs. |
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| 20:39.03 | jhutchins | BlenderPro: You might want to look at the tuned images on that site. I found a standard install unworkably slow just due to the inherrent low speed of USB traffic. |
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| 20:40.06 | BlenderPro | jhutchins: I remember installing ubuntu on a usb stick and it was a lot slower then a live run |
| 20:40.27 | BlenderPro | but my debian works good epcept for a few instances where it gets stuck I want to tweak that somehow |
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| 20:41.07 | jhutchins | BlenderPro: Have a look at what they've done on that site, it's pretty good. |
| 20:41.20 | jhutchins | BlenderPro: They optimize for minimal USB I/O. |
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| 20:42.18 | BlenderPro | jhutchins: which is the site? |
| 20:42.24 | jhutchins | pendrivelinux.com |
| 20:42.40 | BlenderPro | jhutchins: thanks for the idea |
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| 20:46.35 | Koyaanis | LMFAO IAN BLOWN TEH FUCK OUT |
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| 20:47.32 | zamuro | This is really fucked up :( |
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| 20:48.22 | greycat | Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic. Thanks. |
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| 20:51.07 | whowashe | He's really gone? |
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| 20:52.00 | cra1g321 | <whowashe> Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic. Thanks. |
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| 20:52.34 | whowashe | Sorry. Okay. |
| 20:52.40 | cra1g321 | its ok |
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| 20:59.01 | fertorresf | hello everybody ... I'm having an issue ... I need to downgrade a jessie distro to a particular snapshot, so I replaced the sources.list with the required snapshot and made the 'apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update' with no problems BUT now I', having this: "dpkg: warning: subprocess old post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 20:59.15 | fertorresf | any clues? |
| 20:59.37 | greycat | Downgrading is not supported. |
| 21:00.15 | greycat | You can install that particular snapshot in a chroot, or on another system. |
| 21:00.28 | fertorresf | greycat: or upgrade from wheezy? |
| 21:00.32 | greycat | Right. |
| 21:00.45 | fertorresf | I'll try that then ... |
| 21:00.48 | fertorresf | ty |
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| 21:01.21 | jelly | fertorresf: show the full output of your apt command. |
| 21:01.40 | jelly | and the complete command line, too |
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| 21:02.35 | jelly | othewise it's hard to say which package postrm is breaking and why, whether dpkg always segfaults, or what |
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| 21:03.29 | Esxyz | OMG IAN |
| 21:03.37 | pdp7 | :( |
| 21:03.54 | cra1g321 | Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic. Thanks. |
| 21:03.58 | fertorresf | Preparing to unpack .../dash_0.5.7-4_armhf.deb ... |
| 21:03.58 | fertorresf | Unpacking dash (0.5.7-4) over (0.5.7-4) ... |
| 21:03.58 | fertorresf | dpkg: warning: subprocess old post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 21:04.00 | dpkg | fertorresf: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:04.01 | fertorresf | dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ... |
| 21:04.01 | dpkg | fertorresf: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:04.04 | fertorresf | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/dash_0.5.7-4_armhf.deb (--unpack): subprocess new post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 21:04.04 | dpkg | fertorresf: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:04.07 | fertorresf | Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) ... |
| 21:04.09 | fertorresf | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/dash_0.5.7-4_armhf.deb |
| 21:04.12 | fertorresf | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 |
| 21:04.30 | cra1g321 | <fertorresf> use http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:04.35 | greycat | How'd he escape the flood-kick? |
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| 21:04.39 | fertorresf | (sorry) |
| 21:05.20 | Esxyz | debian developers lives matter |
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| 21:07.14 | fertorresf | http://paste.debian.net/357488 |
| 21:07.18 | Scriptonaut | can anyone recommend a console/curses based display manager? |
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| 21:07.28 | Scriptonaut | preferably one in a repo |
| 21:07.35 | fertorresf | dpkg, @jelly: http://paste.debian.net/357488 |
| 21:07.35 | dpkg | fertorresf: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 21:07.45 | intheworld | hi everyone |
| 21:07.47 | blind | I'm confused. a console based display manager..? |
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| 21:07.49 | Scriptonaut | I've looked for both cdm and ncdm, neither seem to be in the repo |
| 21:07.55 | greycat | blind: oh good, it's not just me |
| 21:07.57 | blind | ew, dpkg passes out a link to tldp.org?! |
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| 21:08.02 | Scriptonaut | blind: a display manager that doesn't use x windows |
| 21:08.10 | Scriptonaut | like a curses interface |
| 21:08.16 | Scriptonaut | like irssi, or something like that |
| 21:08.21 | greycat | Scriptonaut: then it ... would not ... be managing DISPLAYs. |
| 21:08.22 | intheworld | i have worked a lot to install mate desktop on debian 8 but it deos not install |
| 21:08.31 | blind | Scriptonaut: so like... screen or tmux maybe? |
| 21:08.32 | Scriptonaut | greycat: it would launch them |
| 21:08.43 | jelly | fertorresf: interesting. Which arm board is this? |
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| 21:08.51 | axc1298 | is iceweasel going to allow unsigned extensions after version 44 comes out? will iceweasel be based on the unbranded version that mozilla will release? |
| 21:08.53 | Scriptonaut | cdm and ncdm are examples of what I want |
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| 21:09.24 | fertorresf | jelly: its a raspberry pi using jessie |
| 21:09.33 | blind | Scriptonaut: how about cdm or ncdm :p |
| 21:09.35 | jelly | fertorresf: which model of r.pi? |
| 21:09.44 | fertorresf | jelly: B |
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| 21:09.44 | Scriptonaut | I would be happy with those, I need help installing them though :) |
| 21:09.50 | jelly | fertorresf: not 2? |
| 21:09.51 | Scriptonaut | ncdm has no installation instructions |
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| 21:10.19 | in1t3r | what a fuck is going on with you guys you move people to off-topic for talk about Ian. Well done redhat and all other brainwashed people I hope the social contract disappear soon too so you became company owned distro |
| 21:10.29 | fertorresf | jelly: yes, rev 2 |
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| 21:10.47 | jelly | fertorresf: okay, because the first one cannot use debian armhf packages. |
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| 21:11.10 | fertorresf | jelly: I've found that armel work |
| 21:11.17 | blind | in1t3r: this channel is for tech support. It's a big deal, of course, so discussion is happening in the off-topic channel where there's more room for chatter. |
| 21:11.20 | intheworld | unable to locate package mate-desktop-environment |
| 21:12.08 | blind | Scriptonaut: opposed to building it? https://github.com/ghost1227/cdm |
| 21:12.27 | fertorresf | jelly: but that part is not being handled by me, I just verified that the snapshot supported both armel and armhf ... the armhf that appears on the pastebin is automatic |
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| 21:12.47 | blind | Scriptonaut: oh. it doesn't get built.. |
| 21:12.50 | Scriptonaut | blind: ah, I will do that |
| 21:12.52 | Scriptonaut | ya, it's just bash |
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| 21:13.24 | jelly | fertorresf: you should confirm you have the debian armhf capable board, and no raspbian armhf userspace binaries in place. |
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| 21:14.31 | greycat | Google search for cdm display manager led me to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CDM which says cdm is just some bash code that you run from /etc/profile.d/* or ~/.bash_profile |
| 21:14.47 | greycat | So you would really be logging in on the text console. Not via some CDM service thing. |
| 21:14.50 | jelly | fertorresf: this: Unpacking dash (0.5.7-4) over (0.5.7-4) ... tells that apt recognized the package with _same exact version_ already on the system diffrered from the same exact version available from the repos. |
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| 21:14.59 | Scriptonaut | ah, dang |
| 21:15.05 | Scriptonaut | perhaps I will stick with lightdm |
| 21:15.11 | Scriptonaut | or just get rid of a display manager altogether |
| 21:15.21 | greycat | If you don't want a gui dm, why are you using one at all? |
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| 21:15.35 | Scriptonaut | I decided I didn't want one after I already added it |
| 21:15.45 | greycat | Logging in on the text console and typing 'startx' stil works great for me. |
| 21:15.46 | markybob | good point. startx works well |
| 21:15.47 | Scriptonaut | I'm new to debian, just playing with things |
| 21:15.49 | jelly | fertorresf: AFAIK that only happens if someone rebuilds the package and does not change version, or mixed repos from diffrent distros were used |
| 21:16.07 | Scriptonaut | ya. Having an .xinitrc would also be nice |
| 21:16.08 | jelly | fertorresf: what does ls -ld /bin/sh say? |
| 21:16.18 | markybob | Scriptonaut, so create one |
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| 21:16.33 | greycat | That's the great thing about startx. You can have a dot file that you can edit to control what happens! And it's DOCUMENTED! |
| 21:16.35 | Scriptonaut | .xinitrc wouldn't work with a display manager |
| 21:16.43 | wewlad | hello everyone, I had a working wi-fi on my debian8 netbook, but then I attempted to access friend's wi-fi net and failed, since my install didn't have anything like 'wicd' or 'network-manager' so that I could browse networks. |
| 21:16.44 | wewlad | I came here for help and people advised to install 'wicd', it didn't help then they advised to install 'network-manager', it didn't help either. |
| 21:16.44 | wewlad | now I am at home and can't even connect to my own wi-fi net, please, help |
| 21:17.22 | wewlad | when I run 'nm' I get 'nm: 'a.out': no such file' |
| 21:17.43 | fudluddIT | I am looking for the simplest way to separate 3 browsers, 1 4 tor, 1 4 i2p, and 1 4 freenet. OPinion, would you pursue a smack MAC like solution, full OS visualization (KVM-qemu) for each (looking at whonix) or another such scheme. I do not have HW for qubesOS BTW, but do have intel Virtualization to enable. Base system is deb 7.9 with intent to add mempo kernel for added sec (just to tell if there may be unseen conflicts) would love to |
| 21:17.43 | fudluddIT | have identical portable browsers, but now am using Konq,Icew, and links2 as a browser base. any suggs? Thanks |
| 21:17.46 | wewlad | wicd-client fails to find any wi-fi networks |
| 21:17.52 | fertorresf | jelly: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Dec 30 20:59 /bin/sh -> dash |
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| 21:18.32 | wewlad | fudluddIT: why not just use 3 different profiles for the same browser? |
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| 21:18.49 | wewlad | or even a better idea: randomize all the possible fingerprint data it sends |
| 21:18.55 | wewlad | and use 1 profile |
| 21:19.14 | fertorresf | jelly: I'm using only the snapshot repo, since mixing with the rpi one made a huge dependencies problem to the versions I need |
| 21:19.35 | fudluddIT | FN must always be run, and I did not want to run in same browser to make sure that the three are connected to each other. |
| 21:19.50 | in1t3r | ok sorry I saw I just do not go in offtopic... |
| 21:20.17 | jelly | fertorresf: but did you, at any point, use raspbian repos with this installation? |
| 21:20.24 | fudluddIT | and wanted to block out all other traffic on each (no tor or i2p on FN browser for instance) If this makes no sense let me know. |
| 21:20.46 | fudluddIT | just sa it as reasonable separation |
| 21:20.56 | fudluddIT | saw |
| 21:20.59 | jelly | fertorresf: if you did, you can't mix that with stuff from snapshot.debian.org |
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| 21:22.07 | fudluddIT | Is this misthinking? (truthful advice is why I hit the boards) |
| 21:22.20 | wewlad | imho, it's useless |
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| 21:22.32 | wewlad | you have to be comfortable with 1 browser |
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| 21:23.37 | fertorresf | jelly: I tried to avoid that, the last time I switched repos with no updates in between ... I think I'll try upgrading from wheezy (has lower versions of the software I need) ... if it doesn't work, I'll dig deeper on the armhf/armel package support ... |
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| 21:24.28 | wewlad | could anyone please help me fix my wi-fi NIC issue? |
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| 21:24.42 | jelly | fudluddIT: full vms may be the easiest solution, but not the most performant one |
| 21:24.45 | fertorresf | jelly: but I'm using the raspbian images as starting point, so there's a mix |
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| 21:25.43 | jelly | fertorresf: you can't do that. Install proper debian, this way you have a mix of libraries with slightly different ABIs and things break |
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| 21:26.00 | jelly | or see if raspbian has their own snapshot repo |
| 21:26.17 | jelly | fertorresf: basically the only thing you can keep from raspbian is the kernel |
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| 21:26.42 | aphorise | Any release date / indicator for UEFI support on livecd's? - its pretty challenging these days to get any install process going without needing to resort to manual grub with almost all new & EUFI locked devices. |
| 21:26.53 | fudluddIT | jelly - thanks |
| 21:26.53 | fertorresf | jelly: so I should create a raspberrycompatible .img from the snapshot I need? |
| 21:27.12 | fertorresf | jelly: sounds a long workaround ... |
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| 21:27.17 | jelly | fertorresf: I'd start with wheezy and do a release upgrade. |
| 21:27.18 | wewlad | still no wi-fi |
| 21:27.21 | wewlad | :( |
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| 21:27.46 | jelly | fertorresf: you started with the wrong OS, so yeah it's gonna be long... |
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| 21:29.26 | fertorresf | jelly: I'll do that then ... I've got to this point after a long day, but moving forward |
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| 21:29.46 | fertorresf | jelly: ty for the advises |
| 21:29.52 | fertorresf | jelly: cheers! |
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| 21:32.29 | wewlad | could, anyone, please help me get nm/wicd working? |
| 21:32.30 | intheworld | i can not isntall mate please help me |
| 21:32.49 | cra1g321 | <intheworld> take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Mate |
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| 21:33.23 | Cezikos | What Debian install when I choose "Standard system utilities" https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Deb45pl.png |
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| 21:33.41 | greycat | All of the packages with Priority: Standard |
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| 21:34.08 | greycat | err, lowercase s |
| 21:34.12 | wewlad | how to even diagnose my problem with non-working wi-fi? |
| 21:34.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell Cezikos about standard task |
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| 21:35.21 | intheworld | cra1g321 : i have read it before |
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| 21:35.27 | greycat | Examples: mutt, ncurses-term, exim4-config, lsof |
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| 21:35.31 | jxself | wewlad: Logs might be a good place to start? |
| 21:35.41 | wewlad | jxself: which ones? where to look at? |
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| 21:36.10 | Cezikos | @jelly thanks |
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| 21:36.20 | jxself | wewlad: /var/log/syslog for one. Is the WiFi card detected? Are there comments about it? etc. |
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| 21:36.49 | jelly | wewlad: /var/log/kern.log to see if the kernel driver complained about anything. /var/log/daemon.log possibly for wicd. /var/log/syslog one aggregates everything. |
| 21:36.58 | Bobbix | Hi, can i install WINE on debian LXDE? |
| 21:36.58 | Bobbix | I've tried but after installation i don't see .wine folder, and ther is no configuration and no menu links. Any idea? |
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| 21:37.19 | wewlad | thx jxself and jelly, trying to read them now |
| 21:37.26 | jelly | Bobbix: the folder is created when you first run wine or winecfg |
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| 21:37.33 | wewlad | (is there any better way than just 'nano' opening them?) |
| 21:37.51 | wewlad | I guess I'd grep for something if I knew what to look for... |
| 21:37.52 | Bobbix | thanks jelly i will try |
| 21:37.52 | jelly | wewlad: use the "less" command, that's a pager (a text file viewer) |
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| 21:38.17 | jelly | wewlad: it has search facilities on / key |
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| 21:40.32 | wewlad | jeez, those logs are huge |
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| 21:40.56 | Aleksa | Is it true? https://thehackernews.com/2015/12/debian-ian-murdock-died.html |
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| 21:44.54 | teraflops | echo $PAGER |
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| 21:47.39 | nrky | I got banned from #debian-offtopic for telling a guy to get lost after people confirmed it wasn't a safe zone and people weren't going to be triggered. Where can I protest this ban? |
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| 21:51.41 | CHVNX | I heard the news about Ian Murdock. |
| 21:51.44 | CHVNX | Sad day. |
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| 21:52.18 | cra1g321 | <CHVNX> indeed, if you wish to talk about it all, please do so in #debian-offtopic, thanks |
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| 21:52.49 | greycat | <nick> is usually used to QUOTE something that person said, not to address that person. |
| 21:53.06 | jxself | Indeed. |
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| 21:53.22 | cra1g321 | ah i see, didnt notice i was doing that |
| 21:53.26 | swift110 | hey ch |
| 21:53.30 | swift110 | hey CHVNX |
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| 21:55.59 | wewlad | well, daemon.log contains a few errors/warnings/suspicious lines: |
| 21:56.00 | wewlad | ** (lightdm:563): WARNING **: Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts: GDBus.Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files |
| 21:56.00 | wewlad | command[425]: Method "ListAdapters" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Manager" doesn't exist |
| 21:56.00 | wewlad | ModemManager[424]: <warn> Couldn't find support for device at '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:02:00.0': not supported by any plugin |
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| 21:56.22 | wewlad | :/ |
| 21:56.31 | cra1g321 | use paste.debian.net so you dont get kicked for flooding |
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| 21:57.57 | wewlad | well, daemon.log contains a few errors/warnings/suspicious lines: http://paste.debian.net/357534/ |
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| 21:59.12 | wewlad | seems like just reading logs doesn't help much, especially for a newbie that I am |
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| 21:59.50 | wewlad | is it a good idea to flush those logs and then run some command like 'nm' to get any errors (if any)? |
| 22:00.43 | greycat | nm is the program that gives you symbols from a library |
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| 22:02.31 | wewlad | uhm, I didn't understand that |
| 22:02.35 | wewlad | but I accept i t |
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| 22:02.41 | greycat | "man nm" |
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| 22:02.56 | wewlad | so I've found a /var/log/wicd/wicd.log |
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| 22:03.47 | wewlad | and there I see lots of repeating lines 'No wired connection present, attempting to autoconnect to wireless network Unable to autoconnect, you'll have to manually connect.' |
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| 22:06.41 | Scriptonaut | I'm trying to set tint2 to behave like conky does when you specify own_window yes and own_window_type override. I want tint2 to sit at the bottom, so I put a margin into at the bottom of dwm. However, dwm is treating tint2 like its own window. I want tint2 to be independent of dwm, and just go to the very bottom (that way I don't have tint2 overlapping my other windows) |
| 22:06.47 | cluelessperson | Hi all, I have a freshly installed debian server at 192.168.2.144, I installed tftp-hpa, listening on 0.0.0.0:69 howerver, I cannot connect to it |
| 22:06.51 | cluelessperson | I can ssh into the server fine |
| 22:06.53 | Scriptonaut | does anyone know the tint2 configuration that will make it not be treated like a window? |
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| 22:07.21 | Shadow_7 | Scriptonaut: perhaps wmctrl could set thing property you desire |
| 22:07.31 | Shadow_7 | s/thing/the/ |
| 22:07.52 | rbanffy_ | What is the unicode code point for the Debian logo? |
| 22:07.54 | Scriptonaut | I'll take alook, thanks Shadow_7 |
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| 22:08.38 | wewlad | what is "WPA Supplicant"? |
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| 22:08.52 | dwhite | cluelessperson: run 'netstat -an' to verify it is indeed listening on port 69 |
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| 22:09.11 | cybrNaut | suse 9 w/kde was installed on a dual pentium 2 w/ 128mb ram. ran fine. then I installed debian 8 with cinnamon |
| 22:09.19 | cybrNaut | debian is slower n shit on this |
| 22:09.26 | cybrNaut | is cinnemon my problem? |
| 22:09.35 | wewlad | probably debian is |
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| 22:10.38 | cluelessperson | dwhite, it is indeed |
| 22:10.39 | cybrNaut | wewlad: wpa supplicant is a wifi manager |
| 22:10.41 | greycat | cybrNaut: Your ancient hardware (video card specifically) is probably no longer supported. |
| 22:10.46 | cluelessperson | dwhite, 0.0.0.0:69 |
| 22:10.47 | dwhite | cluelessperson: what error are you getting? |
| 22:10.59 | cybrNaut | you can configure it to assign passwords to ssids, and other settings |
| 22:11.08 | wewlad | why does WPA Supplicant has a setting to select a driver for it? |
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| 22:11.38 | rbanffy_ | Hi dserodio |
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| 22:12.02 | wewlad | cybrNaut: did you mean I can run some shell command to add a friendly SSID with password? |
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| 22:12.37 | cybrNaut | wewlad: there is a config file for wpa supplicant |
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| 22:13.10 | cybrNaut | each ssid can have a separate stanza in the wps supplicant config file |
| 22:13.32 | wewlad | is googling 'stanza' |
| 22:13.36 | teraflops | wewlad: man wpa_supplicant, -D |
| 22:13.40 | cybrNaut | wewlad: note that most people don't use wpa supplicant.. the default alternative is the "network manager" which has a gui config |
| 22:13.56 | wewlad | well, gui config is too poor |
| 22:14.00 | wewlad | I mean, nothing works |
| 22:14.04 | teraflops | wewlad: also you can do it by hand as in wpa_supplicant -B -i <interface> -D nl80211 -c <(wpa_passphrase <essid> <passphrase>) |
| 22:14.12 | stew | cybrNaut: and network-manager uses wpa_supplicant, right? |
| 22:14.20 | rbanffy_ | I'd like to add the Debian logo to fonts-3270. Does anyone know what is the appropriate code point in the Corporate Use Area for it? |
| 22:14.21 | cybrNaut | /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf <= that's the config file |
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| 22:14.50 | wewlad | no such file |
| 22:14.55 | wewlad | although there's such a folder |
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| 22:15.13 | cybrNaut | stew: i don't recall. they are competing mechanisms, but net manager may still use wpa supplicant |
| 22:15.38 | wewlad | wicd uses wpa supplicant |
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| 22:16.44 | wewlad | what's the executable's name for network manager? |
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| 22:17.06 | wewlad | as far as I understand I have it installed, but it is corrupted |
| 22:17.17 | cybrNaut | wewlad: check in /etc/init.d/network-manager |
| 22:17.20 | wewlad | also, synaptic says I have some corrupted packets |
| 22:17.27 | wewlad | but fails to fix them |
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| 22:17.58 | cybrNaut | wpa supplicant can be high maintenance at times, while network manager "just works" |
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| 22:18.24 | cybrNaut | what I like about wpa supplicant is that the ssids and passwords are all in a text file |
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| 22:18.43 | wewlad | yeah, I like that too |
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| 22:19.03 | wewlad | seems I got lost between competing technologies |
| 22:19.09 | wewlad | wicd and network manager |
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| 22:19.43 | wewlad | network manager's packet is corrupted and unfixable and wicd simply doesn't see any available wi-fi nets |
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| 22:20.20 | wewlad | what's debian's analogue to freebsd's 'ps -auxwwv'? |
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| 22:21.04 | jelly | wewlad: possibly ps auxwwv ? |
| 22:21.12 | greycat | I don't know what the v is off hand. |
| 22:21.23 | jelly | neither |
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| 22:21.46 | wewlad | oops, I meant ps -auxwwd |
| 22:21.49 | jelly | I just go with sysv syntax and ps -fe |
| 22:21.53 | jelly | wewlad: what does it do? |
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| 22:22.22 | wewlad | d is for hierarchy (parent<>child relations) |
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| 22:23.28 | wewlad | 'a' - shows processes of all users; 'u' shows owner's name and mem used; 'x' lists daemons too; ww - shows full cmd call for the process; |
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| 22:23.42 | greycat | auxww works fine in Debian |
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| 22:24.01 | wewlad | thx, I see now |
| 22:24.08 | greycat | f may be what you want, for a tree view |
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| 22:24.10 | wewlad | it's 'd' that breaks it |
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| 22:24.22 | wewlad | yay for the f! |
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| 22:24.25 | wewlad | thx |
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| 22:25.53 | maxencehenneron | what the hell is going on |
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| 22:26.00 | wewlad | so there's a running connmannd |
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| 22:26.04 | Cerealkill3r | hey,have you guys heard about Ian? |
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| 22:26.14 | greycat | Cerealkill3r: Yes, we heard. Discussion in #debian-offtopic. |
| 22:26.25 | Cerealkill3r | sorry greycat |
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| 22:28.19 | Pingu | brothers, I wonder... Can I redirect a certain string to localhost? |
| 22:28.30 | Pingu | example, can I redirect *youtube* localhost |
| 22:28.30 | Pingu | ? |
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| 22:28.38 | Pingu | in /etc/hosts |
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| 22:29.07 | greycat | Pingu: You mean, intercept HTTP requests for a specific domain? Not at that level, no. |
| 22:29.21 | bab00n | Pingu: Proxy ? |
| 22:29.25 | Pingu | oh |
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| 22:29.43 | Pingu | I would like to redirect some domains (or some words) to localhost. |
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| 22:29.52 | greycat | "words"? |
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| 22:30.06 | wewlad | he probably means partial match |
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| 22:30.23 | Pingu | Sorry my lack of technical speaking. |
| 22:30.25 | jxself | /etc/hosts would only let you do domain names. |
| 22:30.36 | jhutchins | Apache can redirect by regex. |
| 22:30.37 | wewlad | yeah, it's not regex friendly |
| 22:30.44 | greycat | And then only for web browsers running on localhost which use standard name resolution. |
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| 22:31.18 | greycat | If you're trying to block whole domains for other users, you need something much more subtle. |
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| 22:31.21 | jhutchins | Pingu: So what you're trying to do is "trap" certain requests? |
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| 22:32.32 | Pingu | I thought it could be easier :( I want to activate/deactivate the access to a website or a partial match (because you can block youtube.com but youtube.fr still work) from time to time. I was going to make a cron job to write /etc/hosts |
| 22:32.55 | Pingu | yes jhutchins |
| 22:33.01 | jhutchins | There used to be a project where you set up a web server that served a 1x1 pixel image for any ad request, and someone was maintaining and posting ad server URLs to redirect to it. |
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| 22:33.24 | Digz | RIP Ian Murdock :(( - http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/30/debian-creator-ian-murdock-dead-at-42 |
| 22:33.44 | jhutchins | Pingu: Yes, you essentially have to block each instance in that particular case, unless you're using an actual proxy server that can handle regex. |
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| 22:35.17 | Pingu | I use Nginx. I imagine I need to configure the browser to redirect to localhost and then Nginx can handle this or...? |
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| 22:36.22 | ayyyyIanlmao | RIP Ian, we're so sorry you lived to see a SJW-cucked debian and Han Solo dying at the hands of his son Kylo Ren. |
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| 22:36.45 | tinyhippo | /25/25 |
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| 22:38.02 | Pingu | When I edit /etc/hosts, do I need to restart network? |
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| 22:38.16 | greycat | Only apps that may have cached values from it. |
| 22:38.22 | tinyhippo | Pingu: no, it should start working straight away, although I normally do a ping to make sure |
| 22:38.47 | jhutchins | Pingu: No, each lookup is a separate process. |
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| 22:39.20 | inex_ | rip ian |
| 22:39.53 | wewlad | jelly, why did you ban him? |
| 22:39.56 | jhutchins | Pingu: This is fun to play with, but if you need something that will get out of your way and just work I would recommend something like Ad Block Pro or a packaged network filter/proxy. |
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| 22:41.53 | jelly | wewlad: they were an ass, repeatedly, in multiple channels. You want more details, ask in PM or read what they wrote. |
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| 22:43.14 | wewlad | ok, whatever |
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| 22:43.36 | Pingu | thanks jhutchins, I want to try this way now, just for learning :) |
| 22:43.42 | Pingu | This line should work? |
| 22:43.44 | Pingu | https://www.youtube.com localhost |
| 22:43.50 | Pingu | this will redirect youtube.com to localhost? |
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| 22:44.16 | wewlad | jelly: how would I wipe the remains of a broken network manager packet without affecting other packets that I might need? |
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| 22:44.49 | jelly | wewlad: sorry, no idea about n-m |
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| 22:45.03 | Dooku | RIP Ian Murdock! |
| 22:45.08 | jelly | wewlad: but if you're having issues removing it |
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| 22:46.04 | wewlad | is connmand related to n-m? |
| 22:46.48 | teraflops | wewlad: packet or package? |
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| 22:47.06 | wewlad | teraflops: is there a difference? |
| 22:47.24 | teraflops | talking about networking? yes |
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| 22:48.06 | Pingu | Do I need an IP? I mean, can't I redirect domainA to domainB? :S |
| 22:48.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell wewlad about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 22:49.06 | Ian_Murdock | guys im alive |
| 22:49.11 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 22:49.17 | teraflops | oh boy |
| 22:49.23 | greycat | People have no taste whatsoever. |
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| 22:49.44 | Ian_Murdock | i still got fucked in the ass with a flashlight |
| 22:49.49 | Ian_Murdock | wasnt joking about that one |
| 22:50.02 | c0nker | any operator here? |
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| 22:50.46 | Pingu | Can someone help me, please? Is it needed to use IP inside /etc/hosts? Can't I bind domainA domainB? |
| 22:50.57 | quux | Pingu, yes ip |
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| 22:51.05 | greycat | Pingu: 127.0.0.1 domain.name |
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| 22:51.19 | c0nker | hello, is there any operator for the channel #debian-offtopic here? |
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| 22:51.36 | tinyhippo | c0nker: try #debian-ops |
| 22:51.36 | wewlad | what does 'apt list' actually lists? the installed packets or all the available ones (including non-installed, but accessible from repos)? |
| 22:51.38 | jny | c0nker -> jelly |
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| 22:52.10 | eroomde | suspect c0nker is about to find out the hard way |
| 22:52.10 | jelly | c0nker: PM |
| 22:52.42 | c0nker | very well |
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| 22:53.23 | jhutchins | wewlad: What would you like to list? |
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| 22:53.39 | wewlad | jhutchins: the installed packets |
| 22:53.50 | wewlad | I want to know if network-manager is installed or not |
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| 22:54.11 | wewlad | because 'nm{tab}' doesn't list 'network-manger' or something like that |
| 22:54.18 | jhutchins | wewlad: The man page explains how to filter it, but I generally use dpkg -l <pattern> |
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| 22:54.49 | wewlad | jhutchins: thx, it lists network-manager there |
| 22:55.01 | wewlad | but says there are some errors |
| 22:55.03 | jhutchins | wewlad: The packag names begin with "network-manager" |
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| 22:55.39 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: apt-cache search --names-only network | grep -i manager |
| 22:55.43 | jhutchins | wewlad: aptitude has a reinstall option. |
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| 22:56.51 | Shadow_7 | I used dpkg -l back in the day, but things changed and modern equivalent is $ dpkg-query --load-avail -l '*nm*' |
| 22:57.05 | Shadow_7 | but that needs dselect to have done an update to populate available. |
| 22:57.06 | wewlad | jhutchins: does this require interwebs connection or it will use some cached pkg files? |
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| 22:58.19 | jhutchins | wewlad: Not sure - try it! |
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| 22:58.50 | jhutchins | wewlad: If you can get networking with a live image you can chroot to your install and run it there. |
| 22:58.51 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: if it was downloaded it would be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and you could dpkg -i the package directly |
| 22:59.45 | wewlad | what does this mean? http://paste.debian.net/357609/ |
| 23:00.00 | wewlad | I see this line on top of the table when I 'dpkg -l network-manager' |
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| 23:01.34 | wewlad | I am confused: if 'dpkg -l network-manager' actually lists network-manager, then I have it installed, right? if so, why there isn't 'network-manager' command in bash? |
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| 23:01.49 | wewlad | or there shouldn't be this one? |
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| 23:02.05 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: if the first column is ii |
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| 23:02.14 | wewlad | Shadow_7: no, it's 'rc' |
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| 23:02.32 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: which is something like removed... config remains |
| 23:02.36 | rattking | its NetworkManager, nm, nmcli |
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| 23:02.55 | rattking | but only if its installed.. ii |
| 23:03.07 | wewlad | rattking: jelly said nm is something that reads symbols from some library |
| 23:03.20 | rattking | whoops thats correct |
| 23:03.22 | wewlad | and I man'ed it and seems like he is right |
| 23:03.45 | wewlad | and ofc there's no 'nmcli' or 'NetworkManager' for me... |
| 23:04.08 | wewlad | I guess I should delete wicd and (re)install n-m |
| 23:04.12 | wewlad | right? |
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| 23:05.24 | Shadow_7 | you don't technically need network manager to make a network connection |
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| 23:06.12 | jelly | wewlad: that paste of dpkg -l are its headers, explaining the package statuses in a VERY terse manner. The lines below +++-============================= are useful and show the actual package status and version and stuff |
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| 23:06.39 | wewlad | jelly: thx |
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| 23:07.43 | wewlad | dammit, so I googled what 'rc' means: removed, but config remains |
| 23:07.50 | wewlad | so I though it's a good idea to remove config |
| 23:08.06 | wewlad | users advice 'aptitude purge' |
| 23:08.12 | wewlad | advise* |
| 23:08.29 | Shadow_7 | !ucf |
| 23:08.30 | dpkg | ucf (Update Configuration File) is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. See also <ucf confmiss>. |
| 23:08.51 | Shadow_7 | only matters if you want the config back |
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| 23:09.04 | wewlad | so I executed that and after some calculating it says it wants to remove some packages like dns-root-data{u} |
| 23:09.08 | wewlad | wtf, is it nuts? |
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| 23:09.36 | wewlad | it looks like if I allowed - it would delete all the dependent packages |
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| 23:09.51 | wewlad | irregardless of whether other packages need them or not |
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| 23:09.58 | wewlad | or am I wrong? |
| 23:10.12 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: it will also remove the packages the depend on it if they exist |
| 23:10.28 | Shadow_7 | (and are installed) |
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| 23:10.50 | wewlad | oh, linux... |
| 23:10.53 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: apt-cache show dns-root-data |
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| 23:11.46 | wewlad | well, that just shows the package's info |
| 23:11.51 | wewlad | but thx |
| 23:12.00 | de-facto | Kudos to Ian Murdock for making the world a better place. |
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| 23:17.30 | wewlad | so I installed network-manager, ran NetworkManager and... nothing ever happens |
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| 23:30.01 | snowkidind | wth is this all about: http://venturebeat.com/2015/12/30/debian-founder-and-docker-employee-ian-murdock-has-died-at-42/ |
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| 23:30.33 | cra1g321 | snowkidind Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic , Thanks. |
| 23:30.42 | snowkidind | fair enough |
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| 23:36.58 | wewlad | so I installed network-manager, ran NetworkManager and... nothing ever happens |
| 23:37.25 | wewlad | anyone, could you please tell me how to make wi-fi work? |
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| 23:38.50 | Scriptonaut | at this point someone should whip up an irc bot (or modify the existing bot) to post that message anytime somebody mentions Ian Murdock |
| 23:39.02 | mtn | wewlad: what wireless card? |
| 23:39.13 | bennypr0fane | Hi, I'm trying to install this game Botanicula from Humble Bundle under Jessie, but I have dependency issues. Would anyone happen to know how I can fix this? http://pastie.org/private/ekdfbhlpddlpwejtfc6s5a |
| 23:39.16 | cra1g321 | is a bot |
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| 23:40.00 | mtn | wewlad: start here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 23:42.15 | wewlad | mtn: atheros |
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| 23:42.24 | mtn | wewlad: start here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 23:43.36 | mtn | wewlad: what do you get when you run this? sudo rfkill list wifi paste the results to dpaste.com, not here. |
| 23:43.46 | socomm | bennypr0fane: No hablo deustchland. |
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| 23:44.13 | bennypr0fane | socomm, some of the output is in english |
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| 23:44.54 | socomm | bennypr0fane: I only speak American English, sorry. |
| 23:44.56 | socomm | ducks |
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| 23:45.21 | wewlad | mtn: sorry to disobey, there's a little text: 0: phy0: Wireless LAN soft blocked: no hardblocked: yes |
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| 23:45.37 | bennypr0fane | socomm, whut? |
| 23:45.53 | mtn | wewlad: then you have a hardware switch turned off. either a switch on the side of the case or a key combo that turns it off. |
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| 23:46.58 | wewlad | mtn: there's a slidable button on the case, that you are supposed to slide and then it jumps back |
| 23:47.07 | wewlad | so I tried to do that once - same result |
| 23:47.27 | mtn | wewlad: is it broken? did it work differently before? does wireless work from a live disk? |
| 23:47.38 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, I can't seem to get sound to work on my jessie install. I have alsa-utils installed (and alsa-oss). When I run alsamixer, I have the master sound set to 100. I checked the plug (it worked on my other linux install). it's not playing sound. Here is my output for lspci -v : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9a5564bccdd97b158399 |
| 23:48.30 | bennypr0fane | Paket lib32stdc++6, libc6-i386, ia32-libs are not installed, but Botanicula depends on them and remains unconfigured. When I try to install ia32-libs, it's this: Package ia32-libs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:48.30 | bennypr0fane | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 23:48.30 | bennypr0fane | is only available from another source |
| 23:48.30 | bennypr0fane | However the following packages replace it: |
| 23:48.30 | bennypr0fane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.31 | zykotick9 | Scriptonaut: verify in alsamixer that nothing is muted, MM at the bottom. |
| 23:48.31 | wewlad | mtn: it's not broken, |
| 23:48.38 | wewlad | but it's weird |
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| 23:49.00 | mtn | wewlad: how about my other two questions? |
| 23:49.02 | wewlad | wireless worked before I went to my friend's home and noticed I can't connect to wifi |
| 23:49.03 | Scriptonaut | zykotick9: that was it, thanks :) |
| 23:49.13 | Scriptonaut | why do they mute it by default? That's odd |
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| 23:49.34 | wewlad | mtn: you might have missed the part of my story - it worked before |
| 23:49.41 | wewlad | I broke it by installing wicd |
| 23:49.43 | mtn | wewlad: so you must have changed something between when it worked and when it did not work |
| 23:49.56 | kalebo | Is it possible to get at old hostnames for an ip by querying a nameserver with nslookup? |
| 23:50.00 | wewlad | well, I had slided that button a few times |
| 23:50.10 | wewlad | thinking it would bring up the list of accessible networks |
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| 23:50.17 | Shadow_7 | Scriptonaut: muted by default, because if you have a mic, it can feedback |
| 23:50.20 | mtn | wewlad: having wicd and network manager will not stop your wireless from working |
| 23:50.24 | wewlad | but turns out in linux world you need a special program to get a list of wifis |
| 23:50.40 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 23:50.43 | mtn | wewlad: are you using a desktop, like gnome? |
| 23:50.50 | wewlad | no, xfce |
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| 23:50.52 | bennypr0fane | wewlad, not if the unspecial program works fine |
| 23:50.59 | jiggawattz | rest in peace Ian Murdock |
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| 23:51.08 | mtn | wewlad: remove wicd, reinstall network-manager afterward, reboot |
| 23:51.50 | wewlad | Shadow_7: interface doesn't support scanning: network is down |
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| 23:52.06 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: ifup wlan0 && iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 23:52.07 | wewlad | mtn: ok |
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| 23:52.28 | bennypr0fane | wewlad, to me it sounds like you have a driver problem which lets the hardware switch not control the wlan chip correctly. |
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| 23:52.39 | wewlad | Shadow_7: ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0 |
| 23:52.51 | wewlad | bennypr0fane: I think so too |
| 23:52.54 | fl4sh | hi, Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 (jessie), after useradd newuser home directory of newuser seems to doesn't exist |
| 23:52.55 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: ifconfig -a / iwconfig |
| 23:52.59 | mtn | Shadow_7: hardware switch is off, by the way |
| 23:53.17 | Shadow_7 | mtn: one possibility... udev likes to use other names too |
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| 23:53.18 | fl4sh | it is my problem clear? |
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| 23:54.09 | bennypr0fane | fl4sh, well are you loged in as that useR? |
| 23:54.10 | wewlad | Shadow_7: iwconfig: Host name lookup failure ifconfig: `--help' gives usage information |
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| 23:54.29 | wewlad | mtn: how to delete wicd? |
| 23:54.39 | mtn | wewlad: use the package manager |
| 23:54.44 | wewlad | I fear it would delete dependent packages |
| 23:54.49 | fl4sh | bennypr0fane: nope, need I do it to create dir? |
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| 23:55.16 | bennypr0fane | fl4sh, not to create them, but maybe to see them |
| 23:55.19 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: ip link list |
| 23:55.40 | bennypr0fane | fl4sh, in any case they shouldn't be writable for you if you're not that user |
| 23:55.47 | mtn | wewlad: try it and see what it wants to do. should not be a problem |
| 23:56.03 | wewlad | Shadow_7: 3: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 |
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| 23:56.14 | bennypr0fane | fl4sh, anyways, try logging in as the new user |
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| 23:56.59 | wewlad | mtn: wicd seems to be uninstalled, but there are python-wicd, wicd-daemon and wicd-gtk |
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| 23:57.13 | mtn | wewlad: remove them |
| 23:57.14 | wewlad | someone told me that for xfce wicd-gtk is wicd |
| 23:57.15 | wewlad | ok |
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| 23:57.43 | bennypr0fane | wewlad yes, wicd-gtk is the graphical frontend used in Xfce |
| 23:57.43 | fl4sh | bennypr0fane: it is normal that I see only '$' without my username@pcname? |
| 23:57.59 | bennypr0fane | fl4sh, in terminal? |
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| 23:58.10 | fl4sh | yes |
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| 23:58.18 | bennypr0fane | creepy |
| 23:58.29 | bennypr0fane | never heard of that before |
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| 23:58.32 | wewlad | mtn: I have n-m already installed, is there a command to reinstall it or should I manually delete & install it? |
| 23:58.36 | bennypr0fane | fl4sh, screenshot maybe? |
| 23:58.44 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: it's the down part way you can't scan... ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 23:58.48 | mtn | wewlad: do you know how to use synaptic, the package manager? |
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| 23:59.48 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: apt-get install --reinstall network-manager |
| 23:59.50 | wewlad | mtn: yes, a bit |
| 23:59.59 | wewlad | mtn: nvm, context menu had such an item |
