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| 00:01.44 | heretogo | Thanks simon. |
| 00:01.52 | heretogo | Right now installing the gdm3 package. |
| 00:01.59 | heretogo | Will check when process finishes. |
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| 00:02.42 | mernilio | Hi all! :-) |
| 00:02.57 | Cezikos | Hi You |
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| 00:04.21 | mernilio | I'm sorry for your loss. Ian was an icon. Im a slacker but respect debian. |
| 00:04.41 | simonlnu | thanks |
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| 00:08.45 | heretogo | installation is broken |
| 00:08.58 | heretogo | .xsession errors says tto run gdk-pixbug-query-loaders |
| 00:09.02 | heretogo | command not found |
| 00:09.09 | simonlnu | pixbuf |
| 00:09.48 | heretogo | yes |
| 00:09.56 | heretogo | bah |
| 00:09.57 | heretogo | okay |
| 00:09.59 | heretogo | yes |
| 00:10.00 | heretogo | haha |
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| 00:10.11 | heretogo | still not found |
| 00:10.14 | simonlnu | it's in libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev |
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| 00:10.22 | simonlnu | !dlocate |
| 00:10.22 | dpkg | hmm... dlocate is now similar to <locate>, can be used to locate the package a file belongs to; "update-dlocatedb" to update the database to include recently installed files - has similar functionality as dpkg -S, but is faster. |
| 00:10.33 | simonlnu | !search |
| 00:10.34 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 00:20.02 | Devastator | in debian jessie, when you have more than one kernel installed, how can you choose which one to boot? |
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| 00:20.46 | morf | Devastator: in the boot loader |
| 00:20.49 | morf | aka grub |
| 00:21.02 | holycow | you will get the option at the very begining to choose |
| 00:21.05 | dvs | Devastator: GRUB. Or /etc/default/grub DEFAULT option |
| 00:21.28 | Devastator | let me see, because older versions of grub would list which kernel |
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| 00:21.35 | Devastator | but mine only have 2 options |
| 00:21.49 | holycow | are you sure you have more than one kernel installed? |
| 00:21.54 | morf | check the advanced options |
| 00:22.04 | morf | under it should be the other kernels |
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| 00:23.24 | Devastator | morf found it! |
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| 00:57.53 | colatra | asd |
| 00:58.02 | colatra | Hi guys |
| 00:58.07 | colatra | Happy new year |
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| 01:05.59 | p0sx | Happy new year too :) |
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| 01:15.34 | roylaprattep | bleachbit is nice ? or its not worth it ? |
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| 01:16.33 | rww | not worth it |
| 01:16.57 | roylaprattep | ok |
| 01:17.08 | roylaprattep | so how can I clean/purge polipo cache ? |
| 01:17.26 | roylaprattep | i have this error sometime error 504 too many application opended or something like that |
| 01:17.33 | roylaprattep | you know what Im talking about ? |
| 01:17.58 | roylaprattep | i have to restart polipo to be able to navigate correctly again |
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| 01:22.02 | fixl | hi there. An apt-get install failed on my system ... after doing a dpkg --configure -a" |
| 01:22.27 | fixl | and then another apt-get install, the failed package is still showing up |
| 01:22.34 | fixl | is there a way to get rid of that? |
| 01:23.03 | somiaj | !bat |
| 01:23.04 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 01:23.14 | DoctorD90 | Happy New Year :) |
| 01:23.15 | somiaj | fixl: give us the command and teh actual thing that is failing. have you ran apt-get update recentlly |
| 01:23.32 | roylaprattep | fixl: apt-get -f install |
| 01:23.58 | fixl | roylaprattep: http://pastebin.com/MiEs6fTm |
| 01:24.13 | fixl | its on my raspberry pi |
| 01:24.54 | roylaprattep | fixl: Try deleting extended_states.tmp |
| 01:25.03 | roylaprattep | in /var/lib/apt/ |
| 01:25.11 | roylaprattep | and try again pls |
| 01:26.08 | dvs | fixl: You can't run apt-get as a normal user. |
| 01:26.17 | Shadow_7 | fixl: dpkg --purge --force-all mediacenter-addon-osmc |
| 01:26.19 | roylaprattep | He is using sudo. |
| 01:26.20 | dvs | oops nvm |
| 01:26.30 | Shadow_7 | not that it's a debian issue... raspbian != debian |
| 01:27.09 | dvs | Shadow_7: And not a raspbian repo at that. |
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| 01:28.23 | roylaprattep | fixl: It worked ? |
| 01:28.49 | fixl | roylaprattep: there is no extended_status.tmp |
| 01:29.05 | roylaprattep | theh create it. |
| 01:29.16 | roylaprattep | touch extended_status.tmp as root |
| 01:29.17 | fixl | I'm looking at what Shadow_7's command is doing (reading man pages) |
| 01:29.22 | roylaprattep | just to see what it will do. |
| 01:29.37 | Shadow_7 | fixl: roughly the same as... apt-get remove --purge ... |
| 01:29.38 | roylaprattep | then* |
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| 01:30.05 | roylaprattep | fixl: Create the file, and retry. |
| 01:30.16 | Shadow_7 | except it wont grab anything that might also depend on said thing |
| 01:30.54 | roylaprattep | fixl: sudo touch /var/lib/apt/extended_states.tmp |
| 01:33.08 | fixl | it always gets stuck ... there is some more output now though. 1 sec |
| 01:33.19 | awal1 | Is there any alternative for xul-ext-flashblock? |
| 01:33.51 | fixl | roylaprattep: http://pastebin.com/R1xVaHjJ |
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| 01:34.34 | fixl | could this be an bug in the package? |
| 01:36.44 | fixl | I get a whole bunch of ext-4 errors on my tv. "Delayed block allocation failed for inode ..." :/ |
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| 01:47.59 | WormFood | E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. <-- why in the fuck is aptitude giving me this message now? None of my other machines are trying to use https as a transport with apt. I commented out the https directive in the apt.conf file, but it still fuckin' tells me it can't find https transport. |
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| 01:50.13 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: did you apt-get update after that change? |
| 01:50.29 | WormFood | of course. That is what is giving me this damn message |
| 01:50.35 | fixl | is there a way for that osmc package not to show up any more? I wanted to install something else, but that one doesn't go away |
| 01:51.22 | Shadow_7 | fixl: if you remove the source of it... dpkg --clear-avail && apt-get update |
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| 01:54.14 | WormFood | I don't understand. Why is it suddenly looking for an https method? It never did this before. None of my other machines act this way. |
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| 01:54.57 | techie28 | Happy New year to all :) |
| 01:55.12 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: egrep -r -i https /etc/* |
| 01:55.25 | WormFood | I'm at a loss. Short of reinstalling the system, I don't know what to do. This is rather frustrating. Why in the fuck, did it suddenly do this? |
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| 01:56.34 | WormFood | Shadow_7, yeah. All normal stuff there. The only https setting related to apt, is commented out... but it's still trying to find it anyways. I guess that configuration directive is busted or something, because it sure as fuck doesn't work. |
| 01:57.00 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: apt-get clean ??? |
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| 01:57.27 | WormFood | nope, didn't help |
| 01:58.01 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: sounds like a fresh install to me... unless that one has been around a while |
| 01:58.25 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: I sometimes use dselect... seems good at cleaning up apt... dselect update |
| 01:58.39 | Shadow_7 | and good at merging multiple repos |
| 01:58.42 | WormFood | I've been using it for probably at least a year |
| 01:59.24 | WormFood | well, 6 months it looks like. |
| 01:59.59 | Shadow_7 | I thought I installed pretty often... but I guess using this install since august |
| 02:00.38 | WormFood | actually, upon closer inspection, it looks like it was installed almost 2 years ago. |
| 02:01.08 | WormFood | fuck it. I'm gonna burn it off my fuckin' hard drive, and reinstall it. |
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| 02:01.38 | WormFood | It's too much fuckin' hassle, and waste of time to try to fix this. Seems many people have this problem, but I have yet to see a solution for it. |
| 02:01.43 | Shadow_7 | I tend to SDHC card it... boot the SDHC... rsync the other install... and re-install |
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| 02:01.53 | Shadow_7 | but coming up shy on spare SDHC atm |
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| 02:02.33 | WormFood | This is a network install. I'm booting over pxe. I just type a few commands, and it's installed. I just gotta find the right commands to do everything for me again. |
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| 02:03.36 | Shadow_7 | I do debootstrap installs. |
| 02:03.39 | WormFood | Almost nothing I need to save out of this. I use it for booting machines that I'm working on. It's great for testing shit. |
| 02:03.41 | WormFood | ditto |
| 02:04.21 | Shadow_7 | but I took this one to texas linuxfest so a few thing I installed there... don't really want to redo without backup |
| 02:04.24 | WormFood | I use this to install Windows remotely. nc -l -p 1234 -q 1 > /dev/sda1 && ntfsresize -f -f /dev/sda1 && init 6 |
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| 02:05.04 | Shadow_7 | Oooo... -q 1? not -w ### |
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| 02:05.15 | WormFood | That's what I found works best for me. |
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| 02:06.04 | WormFood | also, it's handy to do nc -l -p 1234 -q 1 | dd > /dev/sda1 .... then in another window, do while (killall -SIGUSR1 dd) ; do sleep 30s ; done |
| 02:06.24 | WormFood | er, probably best to add bs=81920 or something to dd, or it will write to the hard drive rather slowly. |
| 02:06.50 | Shadow_7 | bs=4 |
| 02:07.02 | WormFood | 4 bytes at a time? |
| 02:07.03 | Shadow_7 | using bs=4M seems common... |
| 02:07.13 | WormFood | or, just don't use dd at all |
| 02:07.15 | blubee | hi guys, i updated the the latest backports kernel and installed it successfully but it won't stick when I edit my grub menu |
| 02:07.17 | WormFood | it's totally not needed. |
| 02:07.36 | blubee | the machine always boots into 3.16 kernel instead of the latest 4.x version from backports |
| 02:07.39 | Shadow_7 | I tend towards dcfldd... gives progress of writes |
| 02:07.42 | WormFood | in fact, many times people needlessly use dd. It's actually a conversion tool. "cp" works just as well most of the time, for how I see most people use dd. |
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| 02:07.51 | Terminsu | How do I get my computer to boot from my USB so I can reinstall Linux? |
| 02:07.53 | blubee | i made these changes: http://pastebin.com/A0FLfqmb |
| 02:08.01 | WormFood | dcfldd? Never heard of it. Is it part of debian? |
| 02:08.27 | blubee | but if I don't manually select the right kernel at boot, then the machine boots into the kernel |
| 02:08.34 | Shadow_7 | it's a .gov version of dd... from long ago |
| 02:08.34 | WormFood | Terminsu, you probably need to hit F12 or F11 or ESC or some other key (defined by your bios) to bring up a boott menu, then select usb |
| 02:08.50 | Shadow_7 | it has a package in debian... but not installed by default |
| 02:08.57 | Terminsu | ok |
| 02:09.01 | Terminsu | off to try |
| 02:09.03 | WormFood | Most things aren't installed by default |
| 02:09.17 | WormFood | Terminsu, you may also need to enable usb booting in your bios. Some bioses give the option to disable that. |
| 02:10.04 | WormFood | I almost never boot off usb anymore. I only use usb for machines that have problems booting over the network. |
| 02:10.04 | Shadow_7 | on my hp stream 11.... press power... spam ESC... and you can choose to boot usb, if it has a bootable install there |
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| 02:10.35 | Shadow_7 | my first linux boot is almost always usb |
| 02:10.39 | WormFood | I've noticed, that either F10, F11, F12 or ESC is used by most bioses to bring up the boot menu |
| 02:10.48 | Shadow_7 | but I tend to travel with usb stick... not laptop |
| 02:10.54 | WormFood | F12 is a common key for a network boot. |
| 02:11.10 | WormFood | I tend to travel with a laptop, and not with usb. |
| 02:11.28 | Shadow_7 | if I'm traveling it probably doesn't involve tech or job |
| 02:12.02 | Shadow_7 | so I try to leave the tech at home to force social things |
| 02:12.06 | WormFood | I had an interesting problem a few months ago. I was playing around with my laptop, and I installed Windows to a partition. I forgot to configure it to boot Linux again. I grab my laptop, for a trip, totally forgetting it's only booting Windows. And, I have no usb at all. |
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| 02:12.37 | Shadow_7 | as I watch everyone else star at phones in their lap all week... while gripe-ing about neck and back pain |
| 02:12.44 | WormFood | I was able to fix it, on the road, without a usb disk or dvd or anything hardware |
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| 02:13.24 | WormFood | I used 2 pieces of software to fix my problem. vmware and debian boot cd image. |
| 02:13.28 | Temmis | I can't get into the BIOS. |
| 02:13.34 | Temmis | Do I hold down DEL or what? |
| 02:13.49 | dvs | Temmis: What motherboard do you have? |
| 02:13.52 | WormFood | Temmis, it depends on the bios. F2 and DEL are common keys to get into the bios. |
| 02:13.57 | Temmis | It's an MSI Cubi., |
| 02:14.09 | Shadow_7 | Temmis: it tends to have the hotkey listed on the bios/uefi screen |
| 02:14.12 | dvs | never owned one |
| 02:14.19 | WormFood | Actually, the motherboard doesn't matter. What type of bios is it? phoenix? AMI? |
| 02:14.21 | Temmis | I can't see the BIOS screen |
| 02:14.28 | Temmis | How do I tell? |
| 02:14.32 | WormFood | Why can't you see the bios screen? |
| 02:14.53 | WormFood | You're leaving out information |
| 02:15.07 | Temmis | It just goes straight to the OS |
| 02:15.19 | Temmis | It's an SSD. |
| 02:15.24 | AlwaysHi- | what does the -9 mean in killall -9? |
| 02:15.38 | AlwaysHi- | cant see anything in the --help |
| 02:15.47 | WormFood | It is a forced kill |
| 02:15.55 | Shadow_7 | AlwaysHi-: man kill |
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| 02:16.05 | Shadow_7 | killall just lets you use names versus PIDs |
| 02:16.06 | WormFood | It removed it at the OS level, from the table of active processes. |
| 02:16.25 | WormFood | You want to avoid using -9 when possible. |
| 02:16.33 | Temmis | How to find out which key? |
| 02:16.36 | Temmis | DOens't say in manual. |
| 02:16.46 | WormFood | I bet it does say in the manual |
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| 02:16.52 | AlwaysHi- | so -9 isnt nessacary anymore |
| 02:16.57 | simonlnu | it does |
| 02:16.59 | WormFood | anymore? |
| 02:17.04 | simonlnu | never was necessary |
| 02:17.06 | AlwaysHi- | when would one need to use it |
| 02:17.08 | WormFood | you only use -9 when you need it. |
| 02:17.16 | WormFood | when a program doesn't terminate on it's own. |
| 02:17.17 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 02:17.23 | Shadow_7 | depends... my gateway (or my moms anyway)... requires you to boot windows to reboot UEFI to do things like boot usb |
| 02:17.47 | simonlnu | wait 5, if it doesn't try again. i wait after the default -15 doesn't work. |
| 02:17.49 | WormFood | what happens if the exit route has "while(1) sleep(10);" in it? It will never terminate, if it traps the term signals |
| 02:17.49 | Shadow_7 | although I think F12 is the hotkey... but not shown anywhere notice-able |
| 02:17.54 | Temmis | Shadow_7, I restart and press DEL and ESC but BIOS won't open |
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| 02:18.25 | Shadow_7 | Temmis: F8 is what you spam to boot windows in rescue mode |
| 02:18.27 | WormFood | when you boot, just hit F2, and DEL, back and forth (not at the same time, alternate them) |
| 02:18.51 | WormFood | F8 on some BIOSes bring up the boot menu (I just had one like that the other day in my shop) |
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| 02:19.22 | Shadow_7 | it was needed for the fixmbr of more recent winders |
| 02:19.25 | Temmis | Where to find out which key is for my Bios? |
| 02:19.28 | Temmis | I don't have Windows. |
| 02:19.30 | WormFood | F8 has been around since the DOS 5.x days IIRC |
| 02:19.32 | simonlnu | f12 on this thing |
| 02:19.33 | Shadow_7 | versus the older fdisk /MBR |
| 02:19.44 | simonlnu | UEFI++ |
| 02:19.59 | WormFood | Temmis, I just told you want to do. |
| 02:20.04 | Shadow_7 | Temmis: doesn't matter, your computer was geared for windows |
| 02:20.17 | WormFood | oh...waitaminute |
| 02:20.24 | Temmis | wormfood, you didn't tell me how to find out which key to press. |
| 02:20.26 | Shadow_7 | Temmis: so unless you physically disconnect everything except USB... you need to influence it |
| 02:20.53 | WormFood | My motherboard has an option, to actually prevent you from being able to go into the bios at all. You have to tell Windows to reboot into the bios. I thought it was rather odd, but I understand why they did it. |
| 02:21.08 | simonlnu | security option |
| 02:21.13 | WormFood | no |
| 02:21.21 | Temmis | Can I reboot into BIOS from Debian? |
| 02:21.21 | WormFood | It's not a security option (on my motherboard) |
| 02:21.32 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: my gateway is like that... but F12 (undocumented) is the spam key |
| 02:21.35 | WormFood | Temmis, I'd imagine there is some tool for that. |
| 02:21.36 | holycow | the new microsoft laptop detaches the screen via software as well |
| 02:22.48 | Shadow_7 | although it boots fast enough it's sometimes easier to tell windows to reboot into UEFI |
| 02:23.18 | Shadow_7 | which is odd since it's not "THAT" fast of a machine |
| 02:24.29 | Shadow_7 | 1.5GHz quad core... which is like 2x raspberry pi 2's worth of CPU these days |
| 02:24.50 | holycow | it's a little bit more than that |
| 02:24.51 | holycow | :) |
| 02:25.29 | simonlnu | dual core + HT @ 3 GHz... mind you 2011. hehe |
| 02:25.50 | simonlnu | oh my, way OT. my bad. |
| 02:26.49 | simonlnu | i'll be OT elsewhere :P. AFK |
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| 02:31.29 | AlwaysHi- | is passwd -l username a secure way to remove access to ssh? |
| 02:31.47 | AlwaysHi- | i was just adding to ssh_config but that requires me to restart ssh |
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| 02:31.58 | AlwaysHi- | DenyUsers |
| 02:32.01 | Temmis | I got into the BIOS. It's DEL. |
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| 02:32.26 | dvs | Quelle surprise |
| 02:32.28 | Tom01 | My script in if-up.d is run triple. How can I run iot once? |
| 02:32.41 | Temmis | There are a few boot options in there. Right now the SSD has priority. I want to reinstall my OS so I want to make the priority the USB? There are 3 USB options, USB floppy, USB HD, USB Key. |
| 02:32.44 | Temmis | I want to set it to USB Key? |
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| 02:33.31 | Shadow_7 | Temmis: it tends to be up / down arrow to change priority |
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| 02:33.36 | WormFood | Temmis, there should be a boot order menu |
| 02:33.50 | WormFood | you can select your boot priority (what you want to boot first), on that menu. |
| 02:33.53 | Shadow_7 | although on said gateway, it doesn't "save" that even when using F10 for "save" and exit |
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| 02:34.28 | simonlnu | AlwaysHi-: sshd can be reloaded just fine. |
| 02:34.29 | Shadow_7 | the only way to force it is to remove all other options |
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| 02:41.17 | Devastator | I have a laptop which uses a ethernet driver that has poor TX performance, I'm trying to narrow it down from kernel 2.6.21 (first kernel it went) and 3.16.7 (the one shipped with jessie), I've also tried latest stable from jessie-backports and the issue is still there, what would be the best approach on this? I think is the way, but how? |
| 02:42.19 | Shadow_7 | Devastator: there's some mii-tools / ethtools stuff to diagnose ethernet |
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| 02:43.12 | Devastator | Shadow_7 I can see the performance with iperf, but what do you suggest with ethtool or mii-tools? |
| 02:43.43 | zeeble | Any recommendations for a basic image editor that has support for things like cut/crop/resize/image format conversion? |
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| 02:43.55 | Shadow_7 | the ability to change 10 / 100 and half / full duplex |
| 02:46.24 | Shadow_7 | zeeble: convert... aka imagemagick |
| 02:46.34 | Shadow_7 | zeeble: otherwise gimp if you need gui |
| 02:46.49 | zeeble | Shadow_7: yep, that's what i am using, but was looking for a simpler one than Gimp |
| 02:47.06 | bazhang | ,v mtpaint |
| 02:47.07 | judd | Package: mtpaint on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.31-2+b1; wheezy: 3.40-1+b1; jessie: 3.40-2+b2; sid: 3.40-2.1; stretch: 3.40-2.1 |
| 02:47.15 | zeeble | ok, let me try it out |
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| 02:47.21 | bazhang | thats simpler |
| 02:47.24 | Devastator | Shadow_7 unfortunately changing the speed of the link won't help :( |
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| 02:48.08 | zeeble | bazhang: yeah thanks. this looks good enough for stuff I want. |
| 02:48.25 | bazhang | ok |
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| 03:02.01 | jblair | Happy new year all. |
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| 03:04.17 | jblair | Would anyone have the time to help a returning user with an odd Xorg triple monitor issue? |
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| 03:05.42 | Rueda | feliz anio nuevo! |
| 03:05.53 | dvs | who?!? |
| 03:05.56 | Rueda | oops wrong channel |
| 03:05.58 | Rueda | jaja |
| 03:06.02 | dvs | bonne annee? |
| 03:06.14 | Rueda | dvs: ya |
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| 03:07.30 | Shadow_7 | jblair: what odd issue? nvidia / amd / intel / mali ? |
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| 03:08.23 | Rueda | I have a question is it normal for an 8mb package to take more then 10 minutes to build like ffmpeg |
| 03:09.07 | Shadow_7 | Rueda: 8mb sources? |
| 03:09.22 | Rueda | yea is source |
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| 03:10.16 | Rueda | it has a lot of .c files |
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| 03:10.27 | Shadow_7 | not that unusual... 75mb tarball kernel can take 2 hours |
| 03:10.37 | Shadow_7 | on not so old specs |
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| 03:11.46 | Shadow_7 | Rueda: distcc and ccache type stuff to help speed it up |
| 03:14.49 | Rueda | wow thankjs |
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| 03:17.08 | Rueda | Shadow_7: am I in trouble for running --disable-yasm with ,configure? what wrong does it do? it says is a cripple build but why, it wouldn't work otherwise |
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| 03:19.03 | Shadow_7 | Rueda: yasm is an x86 assembly language compiler |
| 03:19.12 | Shadow_7 | nasm is a similar thing |
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| 03:19.30 | dvs | spasm? |
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| 03:26.31 | Rueda | Shadow_7: I had amd64 does that mean I don't need yasm? x86 is install as far I know |
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| 03:28.03 | Shadow_7 | yasm is x86_64 and x86 afaik |
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| 03:34.01 | Rueda | Shadow_7: oh wow well I just used ffprove and it works alright as far I know |
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| 03:35.30 | Shadow_7 | Rueda: ffprobe |
| 03:35.40 | Rueda | haha yes |
| 03:35.47 | Shadow_7 | ffplay and other options over yonder |
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| 03:36.05 | Rueda | que |
| 03:36.37 | Shadow_7 | ci |
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| 03:37.36 | WormFood | [11:19:04] <Shadow_7> Rueda: yasm is an x86 assembly language compiler <-- no it's not. Assembly language isn't compiled. It's "assembled" :P |
| 03:38.15 | WormFood | has worked a lot with assembly language in the past. |
| 03:38.20 | Shadow_7 | or whatever the apropes thing is... dropped that class after six weeks... 18 credits+ .. can't be memorizing 80 terms a day and still be functional |
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| 03:40.34 | WormFood | Funny thing is, I learned assembly language in the mid 1980s, and never really used it. I started writing a LOT of asm software from 2002 to 2007, and I remembered all that shit I learned 20+ years earlier. When people saw my source code, they thought I was a professional asm programmer. |
| 03:40.35 | Rueda | 80 wow |
| 03:41.10 | Rueda | around the time of hall and oates |
| 03:41.25 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: well... I learned vic-20 assembly... 8088 assembly... 3090 assembly... ... ... ... |
| 03:41.37 | dvs | WormFood: Real programmers do machine language from scratch. ;-) |
| 03:41.38 | WormFood | vic-20 is 6502 |
| 03:41.54 | WormFood | dvs, I've written machine language, in raw hex before. |
| 03:41.59 | WormFood | It's no fun |
| 03:41.59 | Shadow_7 | never really did 68k |
| 03:42.09 | Shadow_7 | and arm seems mostly undocumented |
| 03:42.12 | WormFood | In fact, that is how I wrote my first 6805 program...in hex |
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| 03:42.22 | Shadow_7 | sandpile.org is good resource for x86 |
| 03:42.35 | WormFood | After I needed to modify it, I found an assembler (then modified the hell out of it, to suit my needs) |
| 03:42.52 | WormFood | I mean, I modified the hell out of the assembler. |
| 03:43.07 | Shadow_7 | vic-20 you have to poke in hex. But if you wanted graphics and to clear a screen (in your lifetime) had to do assembler |
| 03:43.27 | WormFood | The 6502 is a shitty cpu |
| 03:43.57 | Shadow_7 | most of the graphics was custom font + putting a-z 0-9 on screen |
| 03:44.08 | WormFood | I did all of my asm programming on the 6809, 6805, or ST7 (which is just an enhanced 6805) |
| 03:44.49 | WormFood | I used to write a lot of software for smart cards. Stuff like the ST16CF54A and ST19CFxx families. |
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| 03:45.13 | Shadow_7 | my first real computer was the sanyo mbc-555 |
| 03:45.28 | WormFood | was that a pc compatible or sorta-compatible? |
| 03:45.33 | Shadow_7 | 8088 with 256k ram and dos 3.11 5.25" floppy |
| 03:45.57 | Shadow_7 | it was not fully "ibm" compatible, but it was mostly a clone |
| 03:46.06 | Rueda | 256kb/s? was less then mine 1mb computer |
| 03:46.07 | WormFood | IIRC, that wasn't a pc compatible. That went in with Microsoft's ideas of how DOS would be used. |
| 03:46.18 | WormFood | My first computer only had 64k of ram |
| 03:46.22 | WormFood | and ran at less than 1 mhz |
| 03:46.36 | Shadow_7 | didn't have the 0xb800 gfx... but had 0x3c00 and 2x other layers for 8 bit B&W intensities |
| 03:46.38 | AlexLikeRock- | Lol |
| 03:46.38 | WormFood | And still, even with that, I was able to mult-task, with a unix-like OS |
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| 03:47.11 | Rueda | this is a good history lesson wow |
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| 03:47.31 | AlexLikeRock- | Mi first pc 256/RAM. 500 MHz. With hdd broken |
| 03:47.43 | Shadow_7 | 8 shades of color... only had 3 bits |
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| 03:47.55 | WormFood | sounds like EGA |
| 03:47.57 | Rueda | AlexLikeRock-: you're probably 20 years old |
| 03:47.58 | Shadow_7 | the vic-20 only had like 4k ram |
| 03:48.07 | AlexLikeRock- | Yes |
| 03:48.12 | AlexLikeRock- | 29 |
| 03:48.30 | dvs | Shadow_7: 3.5K |
| 03:48.33 | Rueda | and your first pc was a 500mhz? maybe you didn't have a computer as a child |
| 03:48.36 | Shadow_7 | Ian was younger than me... but not by much |
| 03:48.39 | AlexLikeRock- | Only use this pc to whatch the BIOS |
| 03:48.51 | WormFood | There was no such thing as PCs and home computers when I was a child |
| 03:48.57 | Shadow_7 | Rueda: no... 4MHz for the mbc-555 |
| 03:49.07 | AlexLikeRock- | no. Rueda 19 years old |
| 03:49.08 | WormFood | I was a teenager when home computers were becoming popular. |
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| 03:49.21 | WormFood | Shadow_7, sure it wasn't 4.77 Mhz? |
| 03:49.41 | Rueda | haha my first pc had 1mb of ram! I won |
| 03:49.44 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: could have been... the mbc-555 was slightly faster than the ibm |
| 03:49.53 | WormFood | 4.77 was stock ibm speed |
| 03:49.58 | WormFood | 8mhz is "turbo" |
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| 03:50.25 | Shadow_7 | but still had to watch an hour of SNG for a 30 frame graphic of 16x16 pixels to render |
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| 03:51.31 | Shadow_7 | WormFood: this was back when the mac II was king of the hill |
| 03:51.33 | WormFood | my first "real" computer, was a 68000 based machine, that has 8-bit ISA slots, and I built it from a kit (bare circuit board). |
| 03:51.48 | dvs | Wow. The 6502 is 40 years old. |
| 03:51.51 | WormFood | With the proper software, one could use normal PC cards with it. |
| 03:52.04 | WormFood | most 8-bit CPUs were designed back in the 70s. |
| 03:52.11 | WormFood | even the 68000 was released in '79 |
| 03:52.37 | Shadow_7 | I went to school for ibm 3090s in 1997 |
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| 03:53.10 | WormFood | I wrote a desktop animator .fli (flicker) video player for my 68000. Written in 1/2 C, and 1/2 68000 assembly language. That was a fun project. |
| 03:53.54 | AlexLikeRock- | When i go school 7 years old. I use a ibm pc |
| 03:53.59 | Hazza | I want to install a bios update that fixes random shutdowns but its provided only as an exe - fml! |
| 03:54.14 | AlexLikeRock- | I do not remember modelo :-( |
| 03:54.19 | iflema | made a 8bit microprocessor a few years ago in minecraft... |
| 03:54.20 | Shadow_7 | Hazza: freedos |
| 03:54.24 | uxfi | AlexLikeRock-, where are u from |
| 03:54.26 | Hazza | plus gui install so can't even use dos |
| 03:54.30 | Hazza | Shadow_7, ^] |
| 03:54.31 | AlexLikeRock- | Mexico |
| 03:54.47 | WormFood | Hazza, try to extract it with 7zip |
| 03:55.00 | WormFood | 7z x asshole_bios.exe |
| 03:55.14 | Hazza | WormFood, There is an ef0 file - but no idea how to get bios to use it |
| 03:55.24 | WormFood | There is a special method for it |
| 03:55.29 | Shadow_7 | unzip all_my_dreams.hopeless |
| 03:55.31 | WormFood | what is your motherboard make/model? |
| 03:55.43 | AlexLikeRock- | Windows 95 starting... But i use msDOS, my teacher only let me use msdos |
| 03:56.21 | WormFood | I had a motherboard that I couldn't program the bios for. Really pissed me off. It didn't like the checksum of my modified bios. So, I pulled out the bios, dropped it in my programer, and reprogramed it outside of the computer :D |
| 03:56.25 | Hazza | WormFood, Its server class - I reckon its probally easier just to use windows for this one bios update |
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| 03:56.42 | WormFood | Hazza, is it a UEFI based machine? |
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| 03:57.22 | Hazza | WormFood, yes |
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| 03:57.43 | WormFood | make and mode? |
| 03:57.45 | WormFood | model* |
| 03:58.33 | Hazza | HP Proliant Gen 8 Blade |
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| 03:59.16 | AlexLikeRock- | Hp with factory BIOS ,sucks |
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| 03:59.59 | AlexLikeRock- | What BIOS they have? |
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| 04:00.10 | AlexLikeRock- | Hazza |
| 04:00.15 | Hazza | AlexLikeRock-, tell me about it it stays in bios for a total of 6 minutes and 30 seconds before reaching boot |
| 04:00.33 | Hazza | Happy New Year! |
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| 04:00.53 | AlexLikeRock- | Hapy new year!!? |
| 04:00.59 | AlexLikeRock- | 9 pm |
| 04:01.15 | Shadow_7 | 10pm |
| 04:01.20 | dvs | 11p |
| 04:01.22 | dvs | m |
| 04:02.21 | XeonSquared | 3PM, January 1 |
| 04:02.23 | XeonSquared | :P |
| 04:02.27 | Shadow_7 | something about clock + round + rock |
| 04:02.55 | dvs | XeonSquared: Your clock's busted. ;-) |
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| 04:03.12 | XeonSquared | Nah, I'm just stuck in hell. |
| 04:03.20 | XeonSquared | We're a few hours ahead. |
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| 04:03.59 | AlexLikeRock- | Lol |
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| 04:04.30 | Hazza | back! neighbour had fireworks |
| 04:04.33 | AlexLikeRock- | Hazza they BIOS. Sucks |
| 04:04.37 | AlexLikeRock- | Hp sucks |
| 04:04.51 | AlexLikeRock- | They are MARKETING |
| 04:05.04 | Hazza | To there credit they did send me a new part with no hassle even though I broke a SAS cable myself |
| 04:05.18 | AlexLikeRock- | the best are LENOVO,TOSHIBA ,SAMSUMG, ASUS |
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| 04:05.57 | Shadow_7 | hp at least tries for linux compat |
| 04:05.58 | Hazza | I would agree on Samsung ASUS and Toshiba |
| 04:06.12 | Hazza | AlexLikeRock-, Lenovo don't deserve to be there |
| 04:06.26 | Hazza | They are hit or miss |
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| 04:06.49 | AlexLikeRock- | Yes . SAMSUMG are not friendly whit gnu |
| 04:07.10 | XeonSquared | I've had weird issues with Linux and Asus but that's just what I've found |
| 04:07.45 | AlexLikeRock- | But SAMSUMG are they hace a good peformance |
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| 04:11.21 | AlexLikeRock- | Resistante |
| 04:11.53 | AlexLikeRock- | resistant |
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| 04:16.39 | WormFood | XeonSquared, in the past, Asus officially didn't support Linux in any way |
| 04:17.00 | WormFood | I don't know about now, but because of past poor experiences with Asus regarding Linux, I tend to avoid Asus in general. |
| 04:17.23 | AlexLikeRock- | Asus, stell hace. Drivers problema ( non- free) |
| 04:17.25 | WormFood | My last motherboard was one of the last desktop boards made by intel. |
| 04:17.37 | AlexLikeRock- | Stell have |
| 04:17.52 | XeonSquared | I've had issues getting Asus stuff to boot Linux even with secure boot and all that disabled |
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| 04:18.14 | WormFood | You may need to modify your bios, to make it work. |
| 04:18.29 | AlexLikeRock- | Not problemas with they |
| 04:18.31 | WormFood | There are some very talented people out there, hacking BIOSes. |
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| 04:18.44 | AlexLikeRock- | Lol |
| 04:19.00 | XeonSquared | It works, it's just I'll have to screw around with unrelated BIOS settings to make it work |
| 04:19.17 | AlexLikeRock- | The big problem are WIFI drivers/firmware |
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| 04:21.08 | WormFood | XeonSquared, do you have the newest bios installed? |
| 04:21.17 | WormFood | or, updated to the newest version? |
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| 04:28.34 | dvs | phew |
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| 04:33.36 | XeonSquared | WormFood, nah, once it works I tend not to touch it |
| 04:33.45 | XeonSquared | Gonna replace that motherboard in a week or two anyway |
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| 04:35.20 | saopaolo | how do change the appearance of windows and things? |
| 04:36.55 | zeeble | depends which window manager you are using. can download themes, etc. |
| 04:37.36 | saopaolo | this looks gnome, or a debian stylized gnome |
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| 04:44.12 | dryad | are there any other ways to unpack deb's, apart from using dpkg? |
| 04:45.14 | simonlnu | ar |
| 04:45.27 | simonlnu | dryad: ^^ |
| 04:45.35 | dryad | thanks |
| 04:45.59 | simonlnu | ar x |
| 04:46.11 | simonlnu | there's ar p too |
| 04:46.35 | simonlnu | the x and p are switches/flags, whatever you wanna call them |
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| 04:47.56 | dryad | perfect, thank you |
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| 04:56.35 | rww | hihi |
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| 05:01.42 | ParkerR | Happy New Year |
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| 05:13.13 | beepie | !2016 |
| 05:14.04 | polaris | Hello everybody. I've just installed Debian 8 Jessie and GNOME 3 and I have some issues with my video card. If I install fglrx drivers when I reboot I get a black screen. I could remove those drivers and installed firmware-linux-nonfree drivers but still sometimes my screen blinks. |
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| 05:16.57 | beepie | polaris, i suppose you can disable any onboard intel gfx driver if its being loaded, and disable kms |
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| 05:46.25 | Lady_Aleena | Happy New Year #debian! |
| 05:46.40 | AlexLikeRock | 22:50 |
| 05:46.47 | AlexLikeRock | no yet |
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| 06:05.47 | smaudet | Hey, did debian add some selinux or something while I wasn't looking? |
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| 06:06.08 | jelly | smaudet: kernel support has been present for a couple years now |
| 06:06.16 | rww | it's compiled in and disabled by default |
| 06:06.35 | jelly | policies... are mostly nonexistent |
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| 06:06.58 | smaudet | problem is I have a log /var/log/dir/my.log, I can't write to this log, I am that user, I have perms on that /var folder, I have perms on the log folder...I have perms on the dir folder...I have 777 on the folders...and...I can't write. |
| 06:06.59 | smaudet | wtf |
| 06:07.13 | smaudet | (somewhat oversimplified, but) |
| 06:07.31 | smaudet | only thing I can think of is that debian 8 added some selinux policy that I'm not aware of |
| 06:07.41 | jelly | smaudet: show the output of "ls -ld /var/log/dir/my.log /var/log/dir" and "id -a" |
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| 06:07.56 | year8000 | is it you that can't write or is it the program you are running |
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| 06:09.00 | Dragoneye | WTH? Is it true what the new say? |
| 06:09.25 | Dragoneye | /s/new/news |
| 06:09.36 | rww | about Ian Murdock? yes, he died, discussion of it is in #debian-offtopic |
| 06:09.47 | Dragoneye | tns |
| 06:09.49 | Dragoneye | tnx |
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| 06:12.34 | smaudet | jelly: -rwxrwxrwx 1 smaudet adm 0 Jan 1 06:08 /var/log/nginx/stupid.log |
| 06:13.11 | smaudet | year8000: I can do anything, program is owned by the same user/group tuple |
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| 06:14.11 | smaudet | year8000: works fine when I log to my ~ directory |
| 06:14.22 | smaudet | guess /var/log is just borked |
| 06:14.55 | smaudet | no brilliant ideas? |
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| 06:16.12 | veek | hey Ian Murdock died |
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| 06:18.39 | jelly | smaudet: and the other two commands? |
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| 06:24.31 | smaudet | jelly: just python, but here's a pastebin: http://pastebin.com/jmiGGUK6 |
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| 06:24.43 | smaudet | logger works fine for ~ |
| 06:24.50 | swift110-phone | Hey |
| 06:24.53 | smaudet | logger and raw file output fail for /var/log |
| 06:25.08 | smaudet | veek: looking at that post, that sounds very, very supicious |
| 06:25.31 | smaudet | sounds less like suicide, more like police abuse and a farce at covering up their said abuse |
| 06:25.47 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
| 06:25.48 | veek | smaudet, he died in jail? |
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| 06:26.27 | veek | hmm .. suicide |
| 06:26.33 | smaudet | veek: well adjusted 43 year old makes lots of money, gets arrested/abused by police...next thing he's dead? What? |
| 06:26.43 | smaudet | Why?? |
| 06:27.07 | smaudet | If this were Russia we'd call that a political killing. |
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| 06:27.18 | smaudet | Its what Putin does to people he doesn't like. |
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| 06:27.28 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
| 06:28.10 | paperd | for an M.2 sata driver, does it matter which way I plug it in? |
| 06:28.26 | paperd | drive, not driver |
| 06:28.30 | veek | "Murdock was bailed later that day, on Sunday, after a bond, said to be $25,000, was paid. He died the next day." |
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| 06:29.13 | ScottO_ | how can i get a stetch package into jessie? |
| 06:29.16 | jelly | veek, smaudet: keep this off the support channel. |
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| 06:30.02 | paperd | ScottO_: have you checked backports? |
| 06:30.52 | ScottO_ | jessie backports when im already on jessie? |
| 06:31.00 | paperd | ScottO_: yes. |
| 06:31.12 | veek | mourns his fav distro and its creators passing |
| 06:31.12 | ScottO_ | i have to admit i may not fully understand how backports is supposed to work |
| 06:31.21 | paperd | backports is newer packages build for a stable release |
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| 06:31.46 | paperd | jessie-backports contains newer packages than jessie stable |
| 06:31.47 | ScottO_ | when i try to install a package from the backports it tried to install the exact same version as stable |
| 06:31.52 | ScottO_ | so i dont understand |
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| 06:32.05 | ScottO_ | im looking for an updated version of libtorrent |
| 06:32.17 | paperd | ScottO_: have you added jessie's backports to your sources.list? |
| 06:32.18 | ScottO_ | i believe its called libtorrent-rasterbar8 |
| 06:32.33 | ScottO_ | but it seems its not available in the backports |
| 06:32.45 | ScottO_ | and yes i have added jessies backports to sources and updated |
| 06:33.08 | ScottO_ | libtorrent 0.16.18-1 is not working well for me |
| 06:33.12 | ScottO_ | its very unstable |
| 06:33.15 | paperd | it doesn't seem to be in backports no |
| 06:33.20 | paperd | are you using rtorrent? |
| 06:33.25 | ScottO_ | no, deluged |
| 06:33.27 | smaudet | jelly: So, what am I missing? writing to ~ works, writin to /var/log does |
| 06:33.33 | smaudet | doesn't* |
| 06:33.54 | paperd | ScottO_: it isn't recommended to mix stable and testing. You can build from source. |
| 06:33.58 | ScottO_ | someone in #deluged mentioned building libtorrent |
| 06:34.01 | ScottO_ | yes i did that |
| 06:34.13 | ScottO_ | and python still kept its binding to the old libtorrent from the repo |
| 06:34.16 | ScottO_ | didnt seem to work well |
| 06:34.36 | ScottO_ | i expected to see a new version showing, but it listed 0.16.18-1 still after the checkinstall |
| 06:34.41 | ScottO_ | :( |
| 06:34.48 | paperd | did you remote jessie's libtorrent and leave your compiled one installed |
| 06:34.48 | ScottO_ | its on a raspberry pi |
| 06:34.54 | ScottO_ | so it took ages to build |
| 06:35.09 | ScottO_ | removing jessies libtorrent removes deluged |
| 06:35.18 | ScottO_ | dependencies |
| 06:35.28 | paperd | you can tell apt to ignore dependences I believe |
| 06:35.31 | jelly | smaudet: I don't know, you did not show "ls -ld /var/log/dir" and "id -a" yet |
| 06:35.36 | ScottO_ | and when i did that, i checked the version of libtorrent, and it couldnt find it |
| 06:35.42 | smaudet | jelly: ah, ok |
| 06:35.58 | ScottO_ | do i need to remove the old libtorrent before installing the new? |
| 06:36.25 | ScottO_ | and might there be a reason the python bindings didnt update/ |
| 06:36.29 | paperd | if it didn't work when it was installed, I'd uninstall the old one |
| 06:36.45 | ScottO_ | you mean prior to the install |
| 06:36.52 | paperd | it shouldn't matter |
| 06:36.59 | ScottO_ | yeah that didbnt work |
| 06:37.11 | paperd | did you make install after compiling? |
| 06:37.13 | ScottO_ | python coulndt find a libtorrent when i removed libtorrent |
| 06:37.20 | ScottO_ | no, i ran checkinstall |
| 06:37.36 | jelly | dpkg, tell ScottO_ about simple sid backport |
| 06:37.49 | ScottO_ | i couldnt find a sid backport |
| 06:37.55 | jelly | checkinstall won't make a decent package |
| 06:38.08 | jelly | ScottO_: are you using raspbian or debian userspace? |
| 06:38.08 | ScottO_ | why not? |
| 06:38.11 | ScottO_ | raspbian |
| 06:38.24 | ScottO_ | i was attempting to follow http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Building/libtorrent |
| 06:38.30 | jelly | then you can't use debian's binary backports at all anyway |
| 06:38.31 | ScottO_ | and ran into some modifications for ARM |
| 06:38.47 | jelly | and also you're asking in the wrong channel. We assume you're using Debian |
| 06:38.50 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 06:38.50 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 06:39.13 | ScottO_ | they have no clue |
| 06:39.46 | jelly | ScottO_: we have less clue than them about their binary packages |
| 06:39.47 | ScottO_ | also they suggested i use jessie backports for binaries |
| 06:39.54 | ScottO_ | soo.. yeah |
| 06:40.07 | jelly | perhaps they have their own backports. |
| 06:40.24 | ScottO_ | they dont |
| 06:40.29 | ScottO_ | i was sent to the debian backports page |
| 06:40.39 | jelly | in any case it's not safe to use what debian calls "armhf" on your raspbian installation |
| 06:40.50 | ScottO_ | this is extremely frustrating |
| 06:40.53 | jelly | that includes jessie-backports and any other debian.org repo. |
| 06:41.46 | ScottO_ | nopw i understand |
| 06:41.47 | jelly | it's a development board, you will have to do a lot of things yourself |
| 06:41.53 | ScottO_ | but that sucks for me |
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| 06:42.06 | ScottO_ | this is why i tried building |
| 06:42.12 | ScottO_ | and that didnt work out too well |
| 06:42.22 | ScottO_ | well, i made it htough the build |
| 06:42.28 | jelly | it's unfortunate that people in #raspbian do not realize their armhf and debian's armhf are different |
| 06:42.53 | jelly | (if they were the same, there would be no reason for a separate distro) |
| 06:43.46 | rww | for anyone else who was wondering, "The port is necessary because the official Debian wheezy armhf release is compatible only with versions of the ARM architecture later than the one used on the Raspberry Pi (ARMv7-A CPUs and higher, vs the Raspberry Pi's ARMv6 CPU)." |
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| 06:44.14 | ScottO_ | wait what? |
| 06:44.30 | ScottO_ | it wont work with either ARMv6 or ARMv7? |
| 06:45.00 | rww | I read that as Debian armhf is ARMv7+, and RPi is ARMv6 |
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| 06:45.37 | ScottO_ | raspberry pi 2 uses ARM Cortex-A7 CPU |
| 06:45.39 | jelly | only the latest r.pi model 2 (b) is ARMv7-A |
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| 06:45.50 | rww | shouldn't it be fine with real Debian, then?> |
| 06:46.01 | ScottO_ | yeah thats what im using |
| 06:46.08 | ScottO_ | i have a pi 2 B |
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| 06:46.28 | rww | ah, custom kernel because non-free drivers |
| 06:46.29 | jelly | ScottO_: however if you installed raspbian, you're still mixing different binaries. |
| 06:46.30 | rww | but yeah, https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi2 |
| 06:46.42 | rww | might want to look into ditching raspbian in the long-term |
| 06:46.56 | ScottO_ | i can use debian? |
| 06:47.14 | jelly | ScottO_: raspbian may have an easier install process, but you should probably look to install debian armhf, yes |
| 06:47.19 | ScottO_ | yaya |
| 06:47.21 | ScottO_ | yay! |
| 06:47.33 | ScottO_ | i feel so weird using raspbian |
| 06:47.44 | ScottO_ | im more familiar with plain debian |
| 06:48.01 | ScottO_ | so in that case, can i get a sid backport? |
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| 06:48.22 | jelly | you can try building a backport the usual way |
| 06:48.34 | ScottO_ | building again? |
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| 06:48.45 | ScottO_ | was hoping for a backport binary |
| 06:48.57 | jelly | not all packages have backports. |
| 06:49.01 | ScottO_ | building anything on the rpi is horrid |
| 06:49.08 | ScottO_ | well, sid does have the package i want |
| 06:49.13 | rww | backports.debian.org has armhf, so if the package is in there you're golden |
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| 06:49.36 | ScottO_ | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libtorrent-rasterbar8 |
| 06:49.44 | ScottO_ | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libtorrent-rasterbar8 |
| 06:49.48 | ScottO_ | neither of them are backports |
| 06:49.54 | jelly | ,v deluge |
| 06:49.55 | judd | Package: deluge on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.2.3+git20110209.8c36830-0squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; jessie: 1.3.10-3; sid: 1.3.12-1; stretch: 1.3.12-1 |
| 06:49.59 | ScottO_ | jessie backports do not have any newer versions |
| 06:50.16 | jelly | and that means you'd have to make your own locally built one |
| 06:50.29 | ScottO_ | aww |
| 06:51.01 | jelly | dunno about libtorrent-rasterbar but the original libtorrent used to be backported easily |
| 06:51.03 | ScottO_ | and on raspbian i did make and then checkinstall |
| 06:51.14 | ScottO_ | checkinstall so that it could create a deb package |
| 06:51.41 | ScottO_ | deluge uses rasterbar, they say its faster |
| 06:51.58 | jelly | ,checkbackport libtorrent-rasterbar |
| 06:51.59 | judd | Backporting package libtorrent-rasterbar in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 06:52.20 | jelly | it seems possible at least |
| 06:52.26 | jelly | ,checkbackport libtorrent-rasterbar --arch armhf |
| 06:52.27 | judd | Backporting package libtorrent-rasterbar in sidâjessie/armhf: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 06:53.03 | ScottO_ | so getting the binary into jessie from sid is possible |
| 06:53.54 | ScottO_ | so, i still wanna give this built verison a stab |
| 06:54.08 | ScottO_ | how would i remove a package while ignoring the dependencies? |
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| 06:55.00 | jelly | you wouldn't. |
| 06:55.34 | ScottO_ | ok so any idea why my install of the build is not updating the python bindings for libtorrent-rasterbar? |
| 06:55.39 | jelly | apt stops working until the dependencies are satisfied |
| 06:55.39 | apt | jelly: that's too long |
| 06:55.45 | jelly | apt: be quiet |
| 06:55.45 | apt | Ah, shuddup. |
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| 06:56.32 | ScottO_ | lol |
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| 06:57.17 | ScottO_ | someone mentioned that maybe the default install lcoationw as wrong |
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| 06:57.33 | ScottO_ | but the guide on deluge website didnt indicate needing to specify it |
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| 06:58.55 | ScottO_ | i built with "./configure --enable-python-binding --with-libgeoip --with-libiconv --with-boost-libdir=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf" |
| 06:59.24 | ScottO_ | had to add the last part because it couldnt find the boost libs |
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| 07:02.08 | ScottO_ | ahh |
| 07:02.30 | ScottO_ | the guide i was following didnt include running build and install using the python bindings setup.py |
| 07:02.47 | ScottO_ | yay! |
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| 07:04.13 | ScottO_ | thanks for the info on debian on rpi2 |
| 07:04.33 | ScottO_ | ill def reconsider next time i need to install a distro on rpi2 |
| 07:06.43 | ScottO_ | is there any way to specify priority for local network traffic vs remote? |
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| 07:08.55 | beepie | !raspbian |
| 07:08.55 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 07:08.58 | beepie | ^ |
| 07:09.07 | ScottO_ | :P what if im asking about debian? |
| 07:09.31 | ScottO_ | you dont know whether i have a debian box here next to me also |
| 07:09.39 | jelly | sigh |
| 07:09.43 | ScottO_ | which i do |
| 07:10.20 | ScottO_ | first debian install was on a stack of floppies |
| 07:10.28 | jelly | ScottO_: go ask in ##linux or ##networking. Come back when you're actually doing stuff on Debian |
| 07:10.47 | ScottO_ | jelly: i actually am doing things on debian |
| 07:10.49 | jelly | persisting will get you quieted |
| 07:11.00 | ScottO_ | i do plenty on debian |
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| 07:11.19 | ScottO_ | and i if i install debian on this rpi2, then ill need to know for that, but ok |
| 07:11.39 | jelly | and you can ask THEN |
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| 07:11.58 | ScottO_ | how will you know when that will be? |
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| 07:12.30 | iresf | hi everyone |
| 07:12.41 | iresf | i have problem in android studio on debian |
| 07:12.59 | iresf | pleas if you android studio help me to solve my broblem |
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| 07:17.15 | iresf | it is my problem after running android-studio : http://pastebin.com/dcDbxggC |
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| 07:24.24 | jelly | iresf: you have some log4j warnings but nothing looks fatal there |
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| 07:24.55 | jelly | iresf: where did you get this android studio from? |
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| 07:27.04 | iresf | from google site jelly |
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| 07:33.13 | jsgrant | Does Jessie's installer Support EFI by default; Deciding to switch to Debian for 2016 to stop tinkering and just "get ship done". |
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| 07:39.12 | jelly | jsgrant: yes, it should work if you write it as-is to a usb stick of cd/dvd media |
| 07:40.25 | jsgrant | jelly: s/of/or ? |
| 07:40.40 | jsgrant | Or does it need to be a usb, oddly? |
| 07:41.01 | jelly | yeah |
| 07:41.08 | jelly | or |
| 07:41.44 | jsgrant | jelly: Okay, thanks for the classification. |
| 07:41.45 | jelly | I haven't used optical media for booting in years, maybe a decade |
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| 07:42.24 | jsgrant | jelly: This cruddy Samsung laptop's UEFI implementation won't boot of USB, though it gives the option. :^/ |
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| 07:42.58 | jelly | if it's a laptop you'll need a wired connection to the internet, or use |
| 07:43.01 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 07:43.01 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 07:43.13 | AlexLikeRock | jsgrant, pres " F2 " to boot at bios |
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| 07:44.14 | jsgrant | jelly: Actually, I have a usb-to-eth0 connector that is genetic enough that it works on all freesoftware, so I think I'll be good on that front. |
| 07:44.58 | iresf | android-studio and gradle does not work in debian 8 correctly |
| 07:45.16 | AlexLikeRock | jsgrant, remember news laptop they have a UEFI , |
| 07:48.05 | jsgrant | AlexLikeRock: This laptop actually happens to have a compatiblity mode, that boots to "legacy bios" which seems to work; But yeah, I'd want to boot from UEFI; The issue is, as said, this laptop doesn't work with loading from a uefi device. The same usb install medium will work on my older testbox, just not this newer uefi-based box. I'll select it directly, and it'll just skip over to whatever is next in the list to select from. |
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| 07:51.30 | AlexLikeRock | jsgrant, if you want to boot from UEFI , and faill , |
| 07:51.38 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.58 | AlexLikeRock | chage to kegacy |
| 07:52.06 | AlexLikeRock | change to kegacy |
| 07:52.42 | gtristan | FWIW, I headed over to #grub after installing debian testing and not having a working bootloader |
| 07:52.46 | jsgrant | AlexLikeRock: Well, it's not (likely) going to fail if I boot via uefi and a physical disk medium like a CD. I was able to do-so via Fedora prior. |
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| 07:53.31 | gtristan | I ended up having to uninstall and make sure to install the correct versions of grub tools, I had to create some small bios boot partition for it, and have it mounted for the grub-install part |
| 07:53.44 | jsgrant | is making a full-backup regardless of the box in question and keeping this one up and healthy till the other one is somefactor of "done"; Just wanted to know if it was worth the time via Stable. :^P |
| 07:53.47 | gtristan | and all the while, a "supergrub2" bootable USB helped me through boots |
| 07:54.17 | swift110-phone | Ok |
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| 07:55.51 | jsgrant | gtristan: Well, hopefully it'll not fall to that and just end up "Just Working^tm". :^) |
| 07:57.50 | gtristan | jsgrant, nod, I admit I have one of those tricky dual-boots + luks setups so it was tricky :) |
| 07:58.21 | gtristan | but anyway, it's doable, and the supergrub disk is really helpful in cases where it fails |
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| 07:58.55 | jsgrant | gtristan: I'll be sure to look into it, thanks for the time. |
| 07:58.57 | jsgrant | tip* |
| 07:59.02 | jsgrant | But I guess time too. :^) |
| 07:59.21 | gtristan | bah, it's nothing, happy newyears :) |
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| 08:00.04 | jsgrant | gtristan: Yeah, you too. And hopefully a productive one at that! |
| 08:00.37 | Chocolate_Chip | [AMSG] Happy New Year. 2016, it is now the current year |
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| 08:21.47 | Dragoneye | After been shufeled away from our "father" Ian Murdock, I feel like paying this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-lSTlUnfA&list=PLN2eDeUY028yORx6zrx_p1O2bP3kANLLA&index=139 |
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| 08:22.18 | jsgrant | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.19 | jsgrant | Dragoneye: --> #debian-offtopic |
| 08:22.22 | LucaTM | Happy New Year Everyone!!! :D |
| 08:22.27 | jsgrant | As per the topic. |
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| 08:22.44 | Dragoneye | /s/paying/playing/ |
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| 08:24.26 | Dragoneye | jsgrant: If you got your god killed that is debian is that of topic? :-) |
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| 08:26.09 | jsgrant | has no idea what that last statement even meant. :^P |
| 08:26.13 | jsgrant | Oh well. |
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| 08:27.47 | ScottO_ | :P |
| 08:28.01 | ScottO_ | im back! |
| 08:28.50 | jsgrant | Oh, I was going to ask this earlier but forgot; Is it completely idiotic to chown /usr/local if you are on a single-user system? I've been syncthing it on Fedora, and was planning to do the same when I'm done moving to Debian. |
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| 08:29.14 | jelly | ScottO_: yay! Just keep the chatter to issues you have on an actual debian install |
| 08:30.11 | jsgrant | I feel like there may be some non-ideal unforeseen (by mean) consequences, but I can't think of any off hand. |
| 08:30.22 | jsgrant | (by me)* |
| 08:30.31 | jelly | jsgrant: it's probably less idiotic than my having /opt/firefox owned by jelly |
| 08:30.58 | ScottO_ | lol sure, i can have an debian install on demand |
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| 08:33.46 | jsgrant | I think my worry is more-so due to me used to having near 'everything' in a ~/.local dir and as such had information specific to a certain environment; So if you were to use the default workstation spin of Fedora, GNOME would not work well between machines if you were to get syncthing to do keep in-sync two ~/.local dirs, both using GNOME. Now I'm just using a tiling wm, so there nothing in my ~/.local dir anyways. On a single-user |
| 08:33.46 | jsgrant | system /usr/local seems like a "good enough" but not great solution. |
| 08:34.37 | jsgrant | I've also thrown dotfiles, wallpapers, etc, in there, but I don't know enough about the unix-filesystem and the implications of such to be "oh it's not (or is ) a big deal" either way. Probably worrying over nothing though. |
| 08:35.03 | jsgrant | jelly: I'm assuming you did a custom compile + install of FF? |
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| 08:36.47 | jelly | no, it's mozilla's binary |
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| 08:37.23 | jelly | but their auto updates fail if the files are owned by root and firefox is running as user |
| 08:38.48 | ScottO_ | i completely forgot how to manage disks in debian :( |
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| 08:42.30 | jelly | should I file a bug report on a FTBFS only happening with dpkg-buildpackage ... -j4 ? |
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| 08:57.38 | jsgrant | jelly: Ah, okay. |
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| 09:11.19 | Terminator | hi guys |
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| 09:12.46 | Terminator | i was de-voiced on your channel - what have i done wrong ? |
| 09:13.54 | jelly | Terminator: ask in #debian-ops |
| 09:14.15 | Terminator | ok thx |
| 09:14.57 | jsgrant | Doesn't devocing someone not allow them to post in said channel? How are you commenting here, unless this is not your regular nick? |
| 09:17.03 | jelly | jsgrant: he might be confused. Or he might be using slightly incorrect terminology. In any case the ops will look it up in the right place. |
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| 09:21.51 | Rueda | feliz 2016! |
| 09:21.56 | Rueda | opps wrong channel |
| 09:22.18 | Fjorgynn | feliz navidad |
| 09:22.25 | Rueda | haha |
| 09:22.26 | Fjorgynn | to late? Lol |
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| 09:22.34 | Fjorgynn | or to early |
| 09:22.38 | Fjorgynn | depends on your view |
| 09:22.39 | jelly | 7 days off either way |
| 09:22.44 | xand | "too" |
| 09:22.52 | Fjorgynn | tjöta |
| 09:23.17 | Fjorgynn | xand: I don't have that many letters on my keyboard |
| 09:23.30 | Rueda | I have a question is there a reduction in speed when using multiple usb drives at the same time not connected to a hub |
| 09:24.42 | Rueda | is there a usb bus on the motherboard that gets bloated? or is the bus fast enough for all 6 usb drives connected and reding and writing at the same time |
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| 09:34.57 | hiya | javalis, :) |
| 09:35.15 | javalis | :( weak |
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| 09:37.43 | rww | (pre-emptive note that kali questions go to #kali-linux) |
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| 09:40.27 | beepie | Rueda, a usb bus is shared, so it is not an ideal standard.. maybe they're fixing this for future usb-like standards |
| 09:40.39 | beepie | Rueda, it is good for one or two drives, but not for many |
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| 09:41.03 | jelly | Rueda: there's usually a limited amount of bandwidth on the usb controller itself, this is especially noticeable with usb3 |
| 09:41.17 | beepie | afaik it's for any usb |
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| 09:41.47 | beepie | if you want to optimize, you can try one drive on the front usb, another in the back, |
| 09:41.51 | Rueda | oh wow |
| 09:41.55 | beepie | yep |
| 09:42.13 | jelly | well, there are multiple bottlenecks possible even if you stay away from usb hubs |
| 09:42.14 | beepie | Rueda, solution is to get an ahci adapter card and esata |
| 09:42.19 | Rueda | oh so you're saying is a good idea to use the headers? |
| 09:42.34 | Rueda | I have 6 more usb2 ports I can put on the front |
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| 09:42.51 | beepie | Rueda, if you need 6 drives in usb, then that's awkward and you'll get performance hiccups often |
| 09:42.56 | aliouii_ | in highly avialable cluster what is the role of cman and RGManager ?? is Pacemaker a replacement or an alternative ?? |
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| 09:43.22 | beepie | Rueda, best in this case is to go esata |
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| 09:43.44 | Rueda | beepie: thansk! |
| 09:43.45 | beepie | Rueda, upgrade those enclosures that provide esata is what i would do |
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| 09:44.18 | beepie | Rueda, though here i would never trust non-redundant storage like this, i just use mdadm for all my storage as much as possible |
| 09:44.30 | Rueda | beepie: wow so esata will act like f aster usb bus |
| 09:44.43 | beepie | Rueda, well doh, but that's not the point only |
| 09:45.02 | beepie | Rueda, you're getting that fight-in-turn delay between drives on a usb bus |
| 09:45.09 | beepie | Rueda, sort of like "ethernet" |
| 09:45.21 | beepie | Rueda, each device gets its turn |
| 09:46.07 | Rueda | oh wow I thought a switch for ethernet solved that |
| 09:46.27 | beepie | Rueda, cdma |
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| 09:47.03 | beepie | Rueda, when you get multi-devices on a bus, there's always gonna be noise from somewhere too |
| 09:47.16 | beepie | Rueda, sata is more dedicated |
| 09:47.25 | beepie | Rueda, that's why it's better |
| 09:47.56 | jelly | aliouii_: might want to ask in #clusterlabs (formerly #linux-ha) |
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| 09:52.09 | aliouii_ | jelly : ok thanks |
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| 09:53.21 | Rueda | beepie: so the ahci adapter will have usb headers? |
| 09:53.44 | Rueda | I read it has esata ports but not usb headers |
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| 09:58.10 | beepie | Rueda, there are some enclosures that offer "usb" and "sata" -- ahci is a protocol over sata, and is " fast ".. |
| 09:58.49 | beepie | Rueda, note --> ther's also UASPI something over usb-3 and it meant to address speed for drives, but the motheboard usb3 and enclosure both have to support uascpi |
| 09:59.12 | beepie | "uasp" |
| 09:59.23 | beepie | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Attached_SCSI) |
| 09:59.33 | beepie | and the enclosure of course also has to be usb3 |
| 09:59.44 | beepie | and the linux kernel has to be like 3.15+ |
| 09:59.51 | beepie | :) |
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| 10:00.08 | jelly | which means debian 8 (3.16) |
| 10:00.13 | Rueda | oh wow you're a pro beepie |
| 10:00.15 | Rueda | I salute you |
| 10:00.17 | beepie | Rueda, lol |
| 10:01.02 | Rueda | I'm scare of scsi it sounds old like the old versions for it but I hearad they were always faster epcept they had too many pins |
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| 10:01.28 | Rueda | and the terminator scary too |
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| 10:02.42 | roylaprattep | is it worth it to dist-upgrade to jessie for my home server ? |
| 10:02.57 | roylaprattep | I know there is a couple package not anymore in Jessie tho |
| 10:03.24 | jelly | roylaprattep: dist-upgrade from which release? |
| 10:03.40 | roylaprattep | wheeze to jessie |
| 10:03.45 | roylaprattep | wheezy* |
| 10:03.58 | roylaprattep | I am using wheezy-backports anyway |
| 10:04.23 | jelly | well, wheezy has full-distro security support until May this year. |
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| 10:04.41 | jelly | after that it gets the limited LTS support. |
| 10:04.45 | jelly | probably. |
| 10:04.57 | roylaprattep | and the dist-upgrade goes fine or should I start from scratch ? |
| 10:05.24 | jelly | so yeah you might plan a release upgrade (not a dist-upgrade, that's just an apt command that's used for normal patching, not just release upgrades) |
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| 10:05.38 | jelly | dpkg, tell roylaprattep about wheezy->jessie |
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| 10:06.15 | roylaprattep | thats what ill do |
| 10:06.21 | roylaprattep | change my sources.list to jessie |
| 10:06.33 | roylaprattep | but i heard that this can cause many problems |
| 10:06.46 | jelly | that's why you really want to read the release notes |
| 10:07.41 | roylaprattep | I always have backup |
| 10:07.49 | roylaprattep | of /etc |
| 10:08.04 | roylaprattep | and my /home is already on another partition, so no need to freak about it |
| 10:08.07 | bazhang | ,v etckeeper |
| 10:08.08 | judd | Package: etckeeper on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.48; wheezy: 0.63; jessie: 1.15; sid: 1.18.1; stretch: 1.18.1 |
| 10:08.18 | xand | you should keep backups of /home too :P |
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| 10:08.35 | roylaprattep | xand: did you read ? ;) |
| 10:08.44 | roylaprattep | 05:08 < roylaprattep> and my /home is already on another partition, so no need to freak about it |
| 10:08.50 | xand | that's completely irrelevant |
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| 10:09.52 | roylaprattep | The upgrade have nothing to do with home dir. |
| 10:10.01 | xand | roylaprattep: so, you should keep backups anyway. |
| 10:11.21 | roylaprattep | The upgrade will not touch /home anyway. |
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| 10:11.39 | xand | you're an idiot. |
| 10:11.52 | roylaprattep | Wow, thanks. |
| 10:12.09 | xand | you don't make backups just when you're doing an upgrade |
| 10:12.12 | roylaprattep | I love the way ppl talk to each other here. |
| 10:12.40 | roylaprattep | xand: I never mentionned I didn't have backup, idiot yourself. |
| 10:12.56 | roylaprattep | My rsync is properly configured so shut the fuck up, bitch |
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| 10:14.06 | roylaprattep | I told that the dist-upgrade doesn't even care about /home. |
| 10:14.15 | roylaprattep | I never talked about backup here. |
| 10:14.23 | xand | you did. |
| 10:14.40 | bazhang | roylaprattep, no cursing please |
| 10:14.41 | roylaprattep | Yeah, of /etc. |
| 10:15.13 | roylaprattep | bazhang: When someone thrown a rock, I defend myself, that's it. |
| 10:15.18 | roylaprattep | throw* |
| 10:15.26 | bazhang | roylaprattep, its very standard to recommend backups in this situation, so really no need for the exertion |
| 10:16.11 | bazhang | roylaprattep, you are reading this situation wrong nothing was meant that way at all |
| 10:16.15 | roylaprattep | I do have backups of everything, I just said, /home shouldn't be a problem in case of crash... Even if I didn't have backups of it. |
| 10:17.29 | roylaprattep | I am bulletproof. rsync backup of everything on external drives + mdadm raid-1. |
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| 10:19.32 | roylaprattep | Anyway, that's not an excuse to say to someone that he's an idiot. Some ppl need to grow-up here. |
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| 10:21.57 | carders111 | hello |
| 10:25.27 | jelly | roylaprattep: there's no need to imply anyone's freaking, either. There are however important changes and incompatibilities to take note of, and many are covered in the release notes. |
| 10:26.05 | jelly | this is true with each new debian release btw |
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| 10:26.38 | roylaprattep | Roundcube have been removed from Jessie, damn. |
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| 10:26.50 | roylaprattep | Someone knows why ? |
| 10:27.16 | bazhang | ,v roundcube |
| 10:27.17 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg.1-4~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.1.3+dfsg.1-1; sid: 1.1.4+dfsg.1-1 |
| 10:27.37 | bazhang | backports innit |
| 10:27.57 | jelly | yes, but there's no guarantee of security updates with backports |
| 10:28.12 | roylaprattep | Normally it is in the main packages. |
| 10:28.13 | bazhang | hes bulletproof |
| 10:28.33 | bazhang | so nary a worry in that dept |
| 10:29.02 | roylaprattep | O. |
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| 10:29.04 | roylaprattep | Ok. |
| 10:29.07 | jelly | roylaprattep: that usually means it had been too buggy at the time of version freeze and did not get fixed before the release |
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| 10:29.23 | roylaprattep | jelly: Ok, thanks. |
| 10:30.00 | jelly | php apps release process and upgrade procedures are often incompatible or hard to deal with within a release |
| 10:30.38 | jelly | you can enable jessie-backports after the release upgrade |
| 10:30.46 | jelly | roylaprattep: /msg dpkg jessie-backports |
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| 10:33.56 | roylaprattep | jelly: Yeah I know. I am using them with Wheezy. |
| 10:34.09 | veek | anyone use kate - need a way to display non-ascii chars |
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| 10:40.18 | jelly | veek: I can see eg. German umlauts in UTF-8 .txt files with kate on jessie, no problem |
| 10:40.32 | jelly | do you have an example file that fails? |
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| 10:43.28 | veek | jelly SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file Documents/xxxx.py on line 17 (python) |
| 10:43.36 | veek | i pasted some code so |
| 10:44.02 | jelly | veek: can you upload the file somewhere? |
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| 10:46.16 | jelly | if you pasted from the web, it's possible you got bitten by some blogging software that changes ascii quotes and -- into their pretties typographical equivalents. Which doesn't really work for code. |
| 10:46.19 | veek | mmhttp://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=56885615756159096829 |
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| 10:47.39 | jelly | veek: so yeah. You have â â quotes in place of ' ' |
| 10:48.31 | jelly | veek: also in the two prints at the end |
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| 10:48.57 | veek | yeah i did a vim search /[^\x00-\x7F] wondering if there was a kate solution |
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| 10:49.17 | jelly | veek: hard to say why kate chokes on that, can you rename it to .txt, fix the quotes, then rename back? |
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| 10:49.24 | veek | ah someone replied |
| 10:49.32 | veek | find and replace |
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| 10:58.43 | captex | gday all of you |
| 10:59.57 | captex | I installe bleachbit on debian testing but run as root only, any suggestion to solve this trouble ? |
| 11:00.17 | Ditak | where can i change the bevavior of the power button with logged screen/no logged in user? |
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| 11:01.39 | Ditak | debian is not allowing to shut down/hibernate/suspend a system with no logged in user by deafult |
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| 11:22.11 | Delta706 | I am having problems with apt-get and linux-libc-dev_3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6_i386.deb |
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| 11:23.29 | Delta706 | apt-get says "failed to fetch" |
| 11:23.49 | err404 | Delta706, check your network, dns |
| 11:24.03 | err404 | and apt-get update |
| 11:24.03 | Ditak | tried apt-get update ? |
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| 11:47.29 | Delta706 | yes apt-get update solved it. my thanks to Ditak and err404 |
| 11:47.52 | err404 | \o |
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| 11:49.32 | Delta706 | high five? |
| 11:49.45 | err404 | yes :p |
| 11:50.02 | Delta706 | this is a good channel |
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| 11:59.42 | DoctorD90 | hello guys :D i have now finished to check bad sectors on my hdd. I have used mke2fs on efi partition, /boot and /swap, not it want boots more...how may I solve it? |
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| 12:30.55 | tahr152911 | dazstudio has no deb how i can install in debian |
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| 12:36.56 | tahr152911 | dazstudio deb for debian |
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| 12:40.29 | tahr152911 | dazstudio deb for debian |
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| 12:47.26 | Shadow_7 | tahr152911: does it have a source tarball? |
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| 12:47.44 | Shadow_7 | tahr152911: does it have an RPM? alien can convert it to a .deb |
| 12:47.46 | tahr152911 | no |
| 12:47.57 | tahr152911 | exe only for windows |
| 12:48.16 | Shadow_7 | tahr152911: $ wine hatemylife.exe |
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| 12:51.36 | tahr152911 | can you give me porteus xzm for yumi http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
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| 12:52.38 | tahr152911 | ah wine might work but i will try .i hope |
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| 13:20.57 | sharpy35 | hey guys, happy new year everyone. I am facing a weird problem. I am using a php script to send mails with sendmail. on my yahoo.de address i am receiving them on my gmx.de not :( i am not sure whats going on |
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| 13:22.05 | xand | check the mail server logs |
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| 13:23.37 | sharpy35 | it sais: DSN: Service unavailable |
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| 13:25.12 | sharpy35 | does it mean its a wrong config on my side? |
| 13:25.21 | sharpy35 | or something wrong on their side? |
| 13:26.01 | xand | er is that the whole error message? |
| 13:28.54 | sharpy35 | thats the whole mesage xand: |
| 13:28.55 | sharpy35 | Jan 1 14:17:41 adrian-dev sm-mta[13296]: u01DHfuY013296: from=<noreply@domain.com>, size=839, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<1fb250d98fa016e4697ecb4a311397a6@domain.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] Jan 1 14:17:41 adrian-dev sendmail[13295]: u01DHfgV013295: to=john.smith@gmx.de, ctladdr=noreply@domain.com (33/33), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30620, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0 |
| 13:29.23 | sharpy35 | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a8f8ae93a43d47608d9a |
| 13:29.26 | sharpy35 | thats better to read |
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| 13:30.20 | xand | sharpy35: it might be rejecting it because it thinks it's spam, as you're sending from "domain.com" |
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| 13:30.31 | sharpy35 | its not domain.com |
| 13:30.44 | sharpy35 | i just cutted the domain name ;) |
| 13:30.49 | sharpy35 | replaced it :) |
| 13:32.03 | sharpy35 | its just weird |
| 13:32.26 | xand | well either way it's probably a problem their end or they don't like the email you sent |
| 13:32.43 | sharpy35 | the email is just text/html |
| 13:32.50 | sharpy35 | with just text inside ^^ |
| 13:33.13 | xand | you could try asking them why it was rejected but... good luck. |
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| 13:34.14 | sharpy35 | ok xand. cheers :) |
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| 13:50.42 | p0rt | I have a problem with SLiM. I have 2 sessions in /usr/share/xsessions, but slim defaults to blank session. I have to select it manually, or I'll get a blank screen |
| 13:51.01 | p0rt | I reinstalled it, and nothing has changed |
| 13:51.19 | p0rt | what can cause the problem? Google is not very helpful. |
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| 14:00.33 | AlienCat | hello guys, I messed up dpkg somehow |
| 14:00.46 | AlienCat | dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/share/dict/words.pre-dictionaries-common' with |
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| 14:02.02 | AlienCat | http://pastebin.com/eRkpG3iV I do not understand the issue |
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| 14:05.45 | shibly | What's the latest version of flash player of debian? |
| 14:05.55 | shibly | I see outdated flash player in websites |
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| 14:06.05 | Shadow_7 | ,v flashplayer-nonfree |
| 14:06.06 | judd | No package named 'flashplayer-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
| 14:06.38 | shibly | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:06.39 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1 |
| 14:06.40 | Shadow_7 | ,v flashplayer-mozilla |
| 14:06.41 | judd | Package: flashplayer-mozilla on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.559-dmo2; jessie-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.559-dmo3; sid-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.559-dmo3 |
| 14:07.16 | shibly | What does it mean by 1:3.6.1+b1 ? |
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| 14:13.58 | idkkk | I am trying to set mouse sensitivity. xinput doesnt exist because I am using XCB. Should I really install xinput or is there any relative for XCB? |
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| 14:22.46 | wewlad | hello debs, is it bad that I see 'not found' for some files listed in 'systemctl -a'? |
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| 14:23.16 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: not at all |
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| 14:23.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps i am trying to runa script in cron every three months |
| 14:23.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | not sure i got this right 0 0 1 */3 1 script.sh |
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| 14:25.30 | Amun_Ra | Eryn_1983_FL: it's ok |
| 14:26.24 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: get rid of that week-of-day, make it a * instead |
| 14:26.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 14:27.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | found it on web finally |
| 14:27.20 | jelly | else you'll have a job that runs only if it's monday 1st of jan, apr, jul, ... |
| 14:27.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | felt stupid til gf started reading me quotes from FB... |
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| 14:29.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | now.. thats three months from now though? |
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| 14:31.14 | Amun_Ra | Eryn_1983_FL: every mon that reminder of mon/3 = 0 |
| 14:31.38 | Amun_Ra | ai* |
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| 14:34.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | Amun_Ra: what? |
| 14:35.29 | energygames709 | i`m Use Ubuntu 14.04.3 |
| 14:35.47 | Amun_Ra | Eryn_1983_FL: it's going to be mar, jun, and so on |
| 14:36.12 | Amun_Ra | energygames709: and you want to switch teams? ;> |
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| 14:36.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 14:37.00 | energygames709 | i`m brasilian |
| 14:38.47 | energygames709 | I will install debian so I'm here because I want a stable version |
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| 14:39.21 | abrotman | energygames709: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.pt |
| 14:39.29 | shibly | Where would i put libflashplayer.so ? |
| 14:39.33 | davidic657 | Sry to hear about Ian :( wtf?? |
| 14:39.41 | energygames709 | this version is uefi |
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| 14:39.52 | shibly | in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ? |
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| 14:40.23 | energygames709 | ??? |
| 14:40.29 | Amun_Ra | shibly: just install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:40.39 | dvs | davidic657: #debian-offtopic |
| 14:40.44 | energygames709 | my pc is uefi |
| 14:40.55 | davidic657 | dvs: ty |
| 14:40.57 | energygames709 | this version is uefi |
| 14:41.01 | energygames709 | ??? |
| 14:41.02 | shibly | Amun_Ra: That shows outdate flash on various websites |
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| 14:42.04 | Amun_Ra | shibly: even after running update-flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 14:43.28 | energygames709 | anal sex |
| 14:43.31 | abrotman | shibly: run update-flashplugin-nonfree as root |
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| 14:44.00 | Amun_Ra | shibly: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ |
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| 14:51.48 | wewlad | debs, I was/am a FreeBSD user and I got used to work with some networking utils like ifconfig/tcpdump/netstat/arp/route/dhclient/sockstat and now I'm learning to use debian (and linuxes in general), do those utils' arguments the same for debian as they were for FreeBSD? |
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| 14:53.03 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: they mostly are |
| 14:53.26 | wewlad | I don't like that /mostly/ |
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| 14:56.14 | wewlad | when I have a backports repo added to sources.list - how do 'apt-get install packagename' and 'apt-get upgrade' perform? where does the package get installed from for the former command and where the updated version will get taken from for the latter command? |
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| 14:58.00 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: apt-get -t jessie-backports install package |
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| 14:58.45 | wewlad | I know of such a usage, this makes the command install a package from the specified repo, but what if I don't specify the -t %repo% ? |
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| 14:59.01 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: it'll install from default one |
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| 14:59.25 | jelly | wewlad: it's explained in the instructions, so not to copy/paste... http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 15:04.38 | wewlad | jelly: I read that and I don't see any details about what I try to learn |
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| 15:05.55 | wewlad | Amun_Ra: yeah, I've seen this note in the backports instructions that backports are not set as default by default. But I don't see where it is at all specified which repo is set as default one sources |
| 15:07.00 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: you can check it with apt-cache policy |
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| 15:07.31 | jelly | wewlad: > All backports are deactivated by default (i.e. the packages are pinned to 100 by using ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes in the Release files. If you want to install something from backports run: [apt-get -t ...] |
| 15:08.19 | jelly | wewlad: this also means once you install something from jessie-backports, you continue to get upgrades from there |
| 15:08.28 | wewlad | jelly: I've noticed that part, it's the explanation for advanced users who know about those numeric values |
| 15:09.05 | dontknow | how can i set dependencies in https://sources.debian.net/src/midori/0.5.11-ds1-1/ |
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| 15:09.18 | dontknow | i want to remove zeitgeist integration |
| 15:09.38 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: man apt_preferences |
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| 15:10.06 | wewlad | jelly: could you please summarize it in a simpler way? say I have n packages installed from normal repo and m from backports/alternative repos. then I run apt-get upgrade - what happens if some package is present in both repos, but initially was installed from standard repo? |
| 15:10.14 | jelly | dontknow: you'd have to rebuild the package from sources, change the build instructions to omit said support |
| 15:10.28 | swift110-phone | Hey |
| 15:10.36 | jelly | wewlad: it keeps being installed or upgraded from normal repo |
| 15:10.55 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: you can still check that pkg using apt-cache policy packagename |
| 15:11.16 | wewlad | jelly: so in other words: apt-get upgrade respects the origin, right? |
| 15:11.19 | wewlad | Amun_Ra: lol, 'No manual entry for apt-preferences' :) |
| 15:11.22 | dontknow | jelly, yes i want to rebuild. but could you point which file i shoul change? |
| 15:11.45 | jelly | wewlad: no, it doesn't really, but the net result is that. |
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| 15:11.57 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: _ is not - :> |
| 15:12.13 | wewlad | oh |
| 15:12.30 | jelly | wewlad: it only ignores a newer version in backports because the backports repo is specifically configured to do that |
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| 15:13.06 | wewlad | jelly: then why d'u say that it doesn't really respect the origin? |
| 15:13.52 | jelly | wewlad: because if you're crazy and add some other repo, like testing, it will happily upgrade to those |
| 15:14.32 | dontknow | jelly, any idea? |
| 15:14.45 | jelly | dpkg, tell dontknow about package rebuild |
| 15:14.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell dontknow about debian/rules |
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| 15:15.41 | wewlad | jelly: Amun_Ra: the greater the value - the more priority the repo has? or it's vice-versa? |
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| 15:16.13 | jelly | wewlad: yes, bigger number wins |
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| 15:19.07 | wewlad | case: I have 'wine-development' 1.7.29-4, 'apt-cache policy' for that package says version table: 1.7.52-1-bpo8+1 = '100' repo, backports one; 1.7.29.4 = '500' repo, default one. I run 'apt-get upgrade' without '-t jessi-backports' what will be the new version? |
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| 15:22.03 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: apt-cache policy wine-development |
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| 15:24.18 | Amun_Ra | wewlad: you can even check it via apt-get -s upgrade and see if there's bpo in version number |
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| 15:26.31 | jelly | wewlad: the one in the Candidate: row |
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| 15:27.48 | jelly | wewlad: now compare that to "apt-cache -t jessie-backports policy wine" |
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| 15:34.04 | zykotick9 | question about ssb'ing mpv, judd says unsatisfiable due to libass-dev and libsndio-dev, but individually these are both satisfiable. so, my question becomes, a) would it be possible and b) would this be "relatively" safe to backport? |
| 15:34.53 | jelly | !tias |
| 15:34.53 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 15:35.07 | zykotick9 | hehe thanks |
| 15:35.33 | jelly | is it worth it, tho? |
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| 15:36.28 | zykotick9 | jelly: well, i'd have to TIAS, if it fixed youtube playback... maybe ;) the alternative, if i end up with a broken stable... NO. |
| 15:36.34 | jelly | not suggesting it's the right thing to do, but until 0.11.0-1 it used to be possible to install mpv from stretch without a lot of extras pulled in |
| 15:36.53 | jelly | youtube is broken because of youtube-dl, not mpv |
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| 15:36.58 | jelly | AFAICT |
| 15:37.09 | zykotick9 | AHHH that makes sense! |
| 15:37.33 | jelly | and grabbing youtube-dl from unstable did not help |
| 15:37.33 | zykotick9 | "is it worth it" = no. thanks. |
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| 15:37.56 | dontknow | jelly, these are not answer to my question |
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| 15:38.07 | zykotick9 | tried going direct to source for youtube-dl and it didn't really help either... |
| 15:38.14 | jelly | zykotick9: you can get youtube-dl from jessie-backports now, see how it fares for you |
| 15:38.24 | jelly | ,v youtube-dl |
| 15:38.25 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2015.11.27.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2015.11.27.1-1; stretch: 2015.11.27.1-1 |
| 15:38.33 | tme5 | or from pip? |
| 15:38.40 | jelly | fuck no |
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| 15:38.56 | jelly | likes .deb |
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| 15:39.26 | zykotick9 | jelly: thanks for the info. |
| 15:39.27 | tme5 | my only prob with pip is that it doesn't remove unneeded deps |
| 15:39.42 | jelly | dontknow: these are pointers on the general idea what you'd need to do, and where to start looking for required changes |
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| 15:40.22 | jelly | it's just I don't want to set up virtualenv for a media player, and I don't want to pollute the system python either |
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| 15:41.06 | jelly | I try to package as much as possible, custom perl modules where needed, custom python etc |
| 15:41.51 | jelly | zykotick9: in fact I'll downgrade youtube-dl and see if that helps |
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| 15:44.06 | zykotick9 | jelly: i've actually tried downloading from upstream already... didn't help for the couple of videos i tried YMMV? |
| 15:45.30 | Amun_Ra | youtube-dl is one of the few I downloaded to /usr/local/bin and I periodically update it via --update |
| 15:45.46 | jelly | zykotick9: mpv 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYQUlUXQxR8' # seems to work here with youtube-dl 2015.11.27.1-1~bpo8+1 from jessie-backports |
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| 15:47.23 | jelly | zykotick9: do you have a command line that fails? |
| 15:47.26 | CQ | to back up a host, is it enough to back up /etc (and maybe /var) to get the important configuration files? |
| 15:47.58 | zykotick9 | jelly: ya, that link DOES work here as well. guess it's video dependent :( thanks a lot. |
| 15:47.59 | jelly | CQ: if you don't know, back up everything |
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| 15:48.22 | jelly | !things to backup |
| 15:48.22 | wewlad | what's youtube-dl? |
| 15:48.22 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 15:48.42 | shibboleth | jelly, firefox can download youtube videos without any plugins |
| 15:48.46 | CQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.52 | testpil0t | wewlad, afaik youtube-dl is some tool to download youtube vids |
| 15:48.58 | testpil0t | or their audiostream |
| 15:49.10 | jelly | paging dr freud |
| 15:49.16 | shibboleth | not jelly, but zykotick9 |
| 15:49.33 | wewlad | it has to be used from a browser or any other youtube player, which makes it useless... |
| 15:49.37 | CQ | use the firefox VideoDOwnloadHelper plugin, works great, and gives you all qualities the video is available in |
| 15:50.03 | wewlad | because if you watch youtubes from the browser - you could download videos using browser already, you don't need any extras |
| 15:50.05 | zykotick9 | shibboleth: i'm attempting to view without iceweasel actually - i'm not really trying to download/save videos... but thanks. |
| 15:50.11 | testpil0t | wewlad, it can be used from within cmdline, no? |
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| 15:50.19 | jelly | it's hard to give firefox a command to do something, but if you're doing it interactively anyway yeah |
| 15:50.22 | testpil0t | https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ |
| 15:50.42 | wewlad | testpil0t: how would you know what to download without browsing first? |
| 15:51.08 | jelly | wewlad: grab links of videos from a conference site, for example |
| 15:51.11 | testpil0t | wewlad, afair it can also download whole playlists |
| 15:51.45 | wewlad | hm, then it's useful |
| 15:52.03 | jelly | but sometimes I just want to view videos without the overhead of a whole browser |
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| 15:52.14 | testpil0t | Also, downloading the files directly from youtube is somewhat annoying |
| 15:52.16 | wewlad | jelly: if you are on a site - you are in the browser already :D |
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| 15:52.19 | testpil0t | compared to some small cli tool :P |
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| 15:52.36 | jelly | wewlad: and I don't want to click 20 times |
| 15:52.48 | jelly | hence automation |
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| 15:53.22 | freezer_ | any news on ian murdock? |
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| 15:53.39 | testpil0t | --> debian-offtopic |
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| 16:02.46 | CQ | jelly then wget and vlc |
| 16:04.40 | jelly | CQ: you do realize wget does not work in this case |
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| 16:05.23 | CQ | jelly, sorry, must have misses the case then... I thought it was for known URLs. |
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| 16:17.14 | ArneSE | Now installing debian mate on an eeePC 1000HE. Missing rt2860.bin (non free component). I suppose I should run and get it...? |
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| 16:18.24 | ArneSE | oh, it's wireless |
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| 16:21.24 | jelly | judd: file rt2860.bin |
| 16:21.28 | judd | Search for rt2860.bin in jessie/amd64: firmware-ralink: lib/firmware/rt2860.bin |
| 16:22.05 | jelly | ArneSE: enable non-free and install that firmware-ralink package later. Hopefully you have a wired connection to do that. |
| 16:22.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell ArneSE about non-free sources |
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| 16:23.06 | asterismo_m | happy new year guys |
| 16:23.36 | asterismo_m | i heard the sad new, and it was devastating to me |
| 16:23.49 | asterismo_m | news* |
| 16:24.32 | asterismo_m | i hope 2016 will be a good year for the debian community and free software |
| 16:24.38 | asterismo_m | cheers |
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| 16:42.55 | durant | Does debian come with java already installed |
| 16:44.22 | nkuttler | durant: i don't think so, but the default desktop install might pull it in as a dep |
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| 16:44.54 | Shadow_7 | I doubt it unless you use some tasksel select all-ness |
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| 16:45.50 | nkuttler | i think libreoffice requires java now |
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| 16:45.54 | dontknow | i guess it comes with java installed |
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| 16:46.17 | dontknow | this nkuttler> i think libreoffice requires java now |
| 16:47.15 | dontknow | since libreoofice comes by default, java also comes with it |
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| 16:47.53 | Shadow_7 | it's not a default for a debootstrap install... and probably not for a netinstall one |
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| 16:52.51 | wewlad | I'm that guy that a few days ago finally managed to make wi-fi finally work on my notebook, to do that I had to install some firmwares/packages from backports. |
| 16:52.51 | wewlad | now I type 'apt-get upgrade' and see that it suggests me to update lots of utils (38 pkgs, 167mb) and I'm worried: is it because I installed firmware from the backports or just time passed and some utils now have newer versions. |
| 16:53.28 | wewlad | I'm not sure if everything will work after the update, yet I have a mania to update everything, that I hardly can control :) |
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| 16:54.26 | dontknow | wewlad, i don't think it is because you installed firmware |
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| 16:55.19 | wewlad | dontknow: I read your reply as 'update them!' |
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| 16:55.43 | nkuttler | wewlad: apt-cache policy <pkg> to find out |
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| 16:59.35 | ArneSE | Looks like the system monitor on my eeePC thinks both atom cores are at 80-100% load, and they aren't, I think |
| 16:59.59 | Shadow_7 | ArneSE: they are relative to cpu frequency scaling |
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| 17:02.49 | ArneSE | Hmm, sudo is joking with me? My password isn't working. I think it joke, yes |
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| 17:03.37 | jelly | ArneSE: it can be configured to insult you when you get the password wrong |
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| 17:14.55 | ArneSE | perhaps the root password is not in sudoers file ? |
| 17:15.12 | ArneSE | I'm pretty sure I didn't type root psw wrong on install |
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| 17:16.22 | abrotman | huh? |
| 17:18.32 | wewlad | I run 'apt-get update' and get these warnings in the end: http://paste.debian.net/359078/ which ask me to run that command again and thus it's a recursion |
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| 17:20.13 | STMelon | happy new year peeps, ppl, humans, bots |
| 17:20.23 | Shadow_7 | and others |
| 17:20.27 | abrotman | wewlad: right, you have a duplicate linein your sources.list |
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| 17:20.46 | abrotman | wewlad: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:22.48 | wewlad | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/359079/ |
| 17:24.00 | abrotman | wewlad: Do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 17:24.44 | wewlad | yes |
| 17:24.51 | abrotman | such as? |
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| 17:25.13 | wewlad | dockbar-main-ppa-jessie.list dockbar-main-ppa-jessie.list.save sources.list sources.list.save |
| 17:25.44 | abrotman | seems like they have some duplicate lines .. look in those files, find hte duplicates |
| 17:25.54 | abrotman | comment them out with a '#' at the beginning of the line |
| 17:28.44 | ArneSE | <- has been trying permutations of his own 5 letter psw for the last 30 minutes |
| 17:29.15 | ArneSE | time to install something else perhaps, debian isn't very snappy on this eeePC |
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| 17:32.25 | wewlad | abrotman: dockbar ones are empty, and sources.list.save contains jessie-backports |
| 17:32.31 | wewlad | should I just remove that file? |
| 17:33.50 | wewlad | ArneSE: you should probably just used some lightweight DE like xfce |
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| 17:34.17 | pi_ | yo, wassup debians? :D Happy new year yall! :D |
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| 17:35.13 | wewlad | abrotman: heyy |
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| 17:37.40 | twocarlo | Condolence to Ian Murdock :( thank you for bringing debian to all of us |
| 17:37.56 | twocarlo | *The family |
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| 17:38.23 | vlmxs | exit |
| 17:38.28 | wewlad | so I removed that .save file and it didn't help |
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| 17:42.05 | ArneSE | wewlad, debian mate was really snappy on my R.Pi. barely runs on the eeePC for some reason. Slow program launches off SSD, freezes |
| 17:42.14 | ArneSE | I'll try Ubuntu Mate instead |
| 17:42.37 | wewlad | well, weird |
| 17:42.50 | Shadow_7 | ArneSE: probably need gpu drivers... or the ram speed is at play |
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| 17:43.16 | wewlad | I have debian xfce on acer aspire one aoa110 (they are so ancient and have such poor hardware...) and it's pretty snappy |
| 17:43.19 | ArneSE | yeah, but I can't upgrade via terminal or make sense of package manager |
| 17:43.29 | wewlad | why? |
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| 17:43.46 | ArneSE | my user is not in sudoers list |
| 17:43.58 | wewlad | restore root pwd |
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| 17:44.19 | ArneSE | I used su instead but it couldn't run apt-get, said it was a binary file |
| 17:44.19 | Shadow_7 | and you forgot the root password? |
| 17:44.31 | ArneSE | No, my root pass is alright |
| 17:44.52 | wewlad | shouldn't apt-get be a binary file? |
| 17:44.55 | ArneSE | it worked when openeing package manager |
| 17:45.10 | wewlad | did you try any other package manager? |
| 17:45.20 | ArneSE | I typed su arne apt-get upgrade |
| 17:45.30 | wewlad | no |
| 17:45.30 | dob1 | hi, if i create an ssh tunnel, like "ssh foo@foobar -L 2000:server:1111 -N" on the server part, how can i see the connections of the tunnels? using netstat i don't see them |
| 17:45.33 | wewlad | sudo arne |
| 17:45.38 | wewlad | or su apt-get |
| 17:45.46 | dob1 | sorry wrong exaple |
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| 17:46.12 | wewlad | actually, 'su' just enters to the superuser mode, so you su first, enter password and then apt-get |
| 17:46.15 | ArneSE | sudo says arne is not in sudoers list. su apt-get says no user apt-get |
| 17:46.16 | Shadow_7 | ArneSE: su (to become root), then apt-get update |
| 17:46.30 | dob1 | i mean on "foobar" how do i see the connection created to server ? |
| 17:46.33 | Shadow_7 | ArneSE: and exit to logout of being root |
| 17:46.43 | wewlad | ArneSE: su > enter password > apt-get whatever |
| 17:46.52 | ArneSE | if I do su first, it forgets it and when I do apt-get upgrade it complains about permissions |
| 17:47.08 | Shadow_7 | ArneSE: sudo assumes the user you are currently logged in as |
| 17:47.09 | wewlad | it shouldn't forget for a session |
| 17:47.44 | Shadow_7 | ArneSE: aka... sudo apt-get update |
| 17:47.49 | ArneSE | My user psw and root psw are identical btw |
| 17:48.13 | ArneSE | but sudo just says I'm not in sudoers list or that psw is wrong |
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| 17:50.07 | ArneSE | it asked me if I was root once and I typed yes as a joke |
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| 17:50.17 | ArneSE | fell into the yes trap |
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| 17:51.16 | zykotick9 | ArneSE: <sidenote> it's probably better to get into the habit of using "su -" <- will give you tab completion on some useful stuff like apt-get/aptitude/etc |
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| 17:53.41 | zykotick9 | ArneSE: regarding sudo... probably the easiest method is to check if you user is in the sudo group, you can run "groups" as that user to see what groups they are currently in. if not in sudo, then as root, try "adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo" then log out/in as that user and sudo _should_ be working. |
| 17:53.58 | ArneSE | seems to be working now, I rebooted. Start menu keeps freezing though, hoping upgrade and update will fix |
| 17:54.22 | ArneSE | zykotick9, I'll do that, thanks! |
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| 17:56.10 | _aeris_ | hi debian ! |
| 17:56.11 | ArneSE | apt-get upgrade is working... any chance that it will detect the driver issues I might be having? |
| 17:56.34 | ArneSE | (I've done a fresh install of the latest live) |
| 17:56.36 | _aeris_ | i have trouble with apt. after apt install, remaining script behind the apt is never call⦠:'( |
| 17:57.02 | _aeris_ | for example, this line is executed https://github.com/aeris/torbox/blob/master/configure#L16, but not after⦠|
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| 17:57.26 | _aeris_ | same trouble if you copy/paste script with apt inside, nothing executed after the apt⦠|
| 17:58.02 | jelly | _aeris_: is that your whole script? Where's the first #! /bin/sh line? |
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| 17:58.36 | _aeris_ | jelly > https://github.com/aeris/torbox/blob/master/Makefile#L102 |
| 17:58.36 | _aeris_ | called from a chroot |
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| 17:59.16 | _aeris_ | (canât call the script directly, because not on the chroot :P) |
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| 18:00.13 | jelly | _aeris_: copy it into the chroot, then call it, make sure it has a normal #! line, _then_ add set -x as the second line and see which command gets run and which does not |
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| 18:00.58 | jelly | _aeris_: also you don't want to delete /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
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| 18:01.28 | _aeris_ | (jelly > recreated from the outside after) |
| 18:01.47 | jelly | what? |
| 18:02.19 | _aeris_ | archives/lock is recreated after, outside this script |
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| 18:02.34 | jelly | ah |
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| 18:03.27 | jelly | the /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d should also have a hashbang line |
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| 18:05.23 | _aeris_ | not what this blog say : https://jpetazzo.github.io/2013/10/06/policy-rc-d-do-not-start-services-automatically/ |
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| 18:07.28 | jelly | !policy-rc.d |
| 18:07.28 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
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| 18:07.59 | _aeris_ | ok :D |
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| 18:08.30 | jelly | just... don't have scripts without #!, it's not a good idea to rely on user's login shell |
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| 18:20.14 | smhar | whenever I leave an ssh session to my sever idle for as short period the connection disconnects, what could be the problem? |
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| 18:23.30 | TehRabb1tt | so i'm trying to set up a VPS server running debian to act as an VPN device, which would allow me to connect a local router on my end to it, and thus share the VPS' internet connneeecction over the VPN |
| 18:23.35 | TehRabb1tt | any thoughs? |
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| 18:23.52 | testpil0t | Yes. This works :) |
| 18:24.01 | testpil0t | You can run (whatever) vpn service on your vps |
| 18:24.06 | testpil0t | and have your router connect to it |
| 18:24.09 | testpil0t | if your router supports it |
| 18:24.25 | TehRabb1tt | testpil0t: lets say Juniper SSG5 |
| 18:24.58 | TehRabb1tt | basically i want to be able to have thigns use the static IP my VPS provides (such as my xbox) since I share an internet connection with about 8 other people all using xboxes... thus causing NAT issues |
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| 18:25.23 | testpil0t | so you only want a single client to use the vpn? |
| 18:26.15 | TehRabb1tt | possibly also my phone, but yes. for now. |
| 18:26.48 | testpil0t | so, check if the xbox supports vpn |
| 18:26.50 | testpil0t | and your phone |
| 18:26.57 | TehRabb1tt | xbox doesn't. |
| 18:26.58 | TehRabb1tt | phoen does |
| 18:27.07 | TehRabb1tt | hence the "router" idea... |
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| 18:27.18 | testpil0t | that router idea might/will work |
| 18:27.19 | TehRabb1tt | set that as the default GW for the xbox, and then just have it route over the VPN |
| 18:27.26 | testpil0t | right |
| 18:27.30 | testpil0t | tho thats out of scope here |
| 18:27.36 | testpil0t | it depends on what you can do on your Juniper |
| 18:27.39 | testpil0t | and what not :) |
| 18:27.48 | TehRabb1tt | yeah, the juniper can do L2TP I beleive. |
| 18:27.51 | TehRabb1tt | and IPSEC |
| 18:27.57 | TehRabb1tt | that's pretty much it |
| 18:28.05 | testpil0t | yeah. so just search for ipsec tunnel tutorial :) |
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| 18:36.18 | durant | Can my computer run debian http://postimg.org/image/6nosu2ne1/full/ |
| 18:38.10 | dontknow | durant, why wouldn't |
| 18:38.19 | dsc_ | durant: 12 cpu's? |
| 18:38.27 | dsc_ | you can run multiple debians :P |
| 18:38.43 | dontknow | oh i didn't see it lol |
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| 18:39.11 | durant | I have 24gb ram with a 6 core i7 |
| 18:39.27 | dontknow | it can even run crysis inside debian |
| 18:39.35 | swift110-phone | Goodness |
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| 18:40.08 | dsc_ | durant: why would you even ask that question then |
| 18:40.17 | dontknow | you can simulate universe inside it |
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| 18:41.03 | durant | ALso would debian support 3 monitors |
| 18:41.19 | Shadow_7 | if you gpu does and it's linux driver |
| 18:41.33 | Shadow_7 | You could always Xdmx a few extra monitors too |
| 18:41.35 | durant | I use a gtx 980 ti |
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| 18:42.32 | testpil0t | durant, i use 3 montiors with debian |
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| 18:43.21 | Shadow_7 | I've only used 2... but laptops don't have beefy gpu's most of the time |
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| 18:43.46 | durant | Linux works best on a desktop imo |
| 18:44.14 | Shadow_7 | laptops work best in 70s era trailer + Texas heat |
| 18:44.15 | nenis3i8 | In my BIOS are two power saving modes, S4 and S5. Any ideas what they are? S4 is disabled, S5 is enabled. |
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| 18:45.13 | durant | Is it bad if I like using unity? |
| 18:45.19 | inconsa | hi everyone and hppay new year!! i have a problem with configuration of stunnel, want to use it for access to my gmail account with ssl, help? |
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| 18:45.38 | Shadow_7 | durant: that's probably why you need 3 monitors |
| 18:45.49 | Shadow_7 | all that pixel waste |
| 18:46.00 | durant | I do a lot of coding |
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| 18:46.19 | TehRabb1tt | testpil0tso do I actually NEED to use both ipsec as well asl LT2P or can I use one vs the other? |
| 18:46.33 | Shadow_7 | Xephyr + Xdmx and I can have 405 lines of code on a single 1080p display |
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| 18:48.24 | inconsa | hi everyone and hppay new year!! i have a problem with configuration of stunnel, want to use it for access to my gmail account with ssl, help? |
| 18:48.42 | testpil0t | TehRabb1tt, i'd say you can use either |
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| 18:49.14 | inconsapevole | hi everyone, i need help with configuration of stunnel, some help? |
| 18:49.50 | TehRabb1tt | testpil0t why does every tutuorial basically require both (and the configs are totally different than the latest openswan etc) |
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| 18:50.27 | testpil0t | ah sorry |
| 18:50.28 | testpil0t | yeah |
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| 18:50.37 | testpil0t | you should do l2tp over ipsec |
| 18:50.45 | testpil0t | ipsec is the encryption, l2tp should be the tunnel |
| 18:51.49 | TehRabb1tt | testpil0tthe only other issue is it seems EVERY single tutorial is designed around NAT / DHCP |
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| 18:52.59 | testpil0t | https://www.elastichosts.com/blog/linux-l2tpipsec-vpn-server/ |
| 18:53.08 | testpil0t | "openswan" might be a good keyword |
| 18:55.22 | durant | debian is a lot easier to use than gentoo |
| 18:55.45 | dvs | durant: C'mon. Compiling is fun~! |
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| 18:56.08 | durant | It's not fun when you need to wait 30 mins for a program to compile |
| 18:56.26 | _aeris_ | jelly > https://paste.imirhil.fr/?93675e6dc3866ae0#9YlzlxWjv8c5R8EvnuI11D2EI5UsmrsQQLwYIczjpnA= |
| 18:56.54 | _aeris_ | last command is "+ apt install tor tor-arm tor-geoipdb apt-transport-tor python python-stem -y" |
| 18:57.12 | _aeris_ | end of the command is |
| 18:57.15 | _aeris_ | Processing triggers for systemd (215-17+deb8u2) ... make overlay |
| 18:57.39 | _aeris_ | nothing is executed after that, and make continue with make overlay |
| 18:58.43 | jelly | _aeris_: can't open that pastebin, chrome says it uses broken HSTS. but "+make overlay" looks like the next command after apt |
| 18:59.07 | jelly | so it might be that one that is hanging |
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| 18:59.27 | _aeris_ | jelly > sorry, i fix my cert :D |
| 19:00.07 | _aeris_ | jelly > https://paste.debian.net/359089/ |
| 19:00.24 | Jeivy | does anyone know the codename for the next releases of debian? |
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| 19:00.34 | _aeris_ | Jeivy > stretch ? |
| 19:01.46 | dvs | !stretch |
| 19:01.47 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 19:03.16 | alu | i love debian |
| 19:04.15 | durant | I love wind... debian |
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| 19:06.27 | Jeivy | debian is great. i have been using since 2006. before it used to install rhel |
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| 19:18.04 | swift110-phone | Cool |
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| 19:31.54 | digidog | HAPPY NEW YEAR @ all. |
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| 19:39.31 | ArneSE | I just ran hdparm -Tt and got 370MB/s and 85MB/s |
| 19:40.00 | ArneSE | seems slow, where can I find... reference numbers for comparison... the whole machine is sluggish |
| 19:42.52 | ArneSE | maybe not, it's rated at 520MB/s read |
| 19:43.19 | dvs | ArneSE: Looks like an SSD to me. |
| 19:43.21 | ArneSE | I hear SSDs usually run a bit slower, though 85MB/s isn't very good |
| 19:43.52 | TehRabb1tt | i'm getting 9229MB/sec and 253MB/sec on my VPS in case it helps |
| 19:43.55 | ArneSE | it's alignement independent measure, maybe there's an alignment problem on top? |
| 19:44.03 | Devastator | ArneSE latest SSD firmware? which kernel? |
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| 19:44.20 | ArneSE | Ah... this is a budget Sandisk 120GB in an eeePC 2009 |
| 19:44.42 | Devastator | for me, it's fine |
| 19:45.36 | ArneSE | this is a fresh install of the latest debian mate |
| 19:46.03 | ArneSE | unsure about SSD firmware, installed straight out of box |
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| 19:46.51 | ArneSE | could be CPU bottlenecked as iit's a 2009 netbook |
| 19:46.53 | _aeris_ | jelly > seemâs tor related⦠if i apt install moreutils or python, no problem, if tor, problem⦠|
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| 19:51.07 | knosys | Hello |
| 19:52.03 | paperd | hi |
| 19:52.06 | Shadow_7 | could be SATA 2 versus SATA 6 or whatever those specs are/were |
| 19:52.27 | armin | hi. since i'm not able to find "docker" in apt: my assumption is it was removed because of too frequent upstream updates from stable (jessie), is that correct? |
| 19:52.39 | paperd | armin: it is in jessie backports |
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| 19:52.50 | armin | paperd: why only available via backports? |
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| 19:53.20 | paperd | armin: I don't know, it either didn't make it in before the jessie freeze or nobody packaged it soon enough |
| 19:53.35 | paperd | since docker is updating frequently, it'd be better to get it from backports anyway. |
| 19:53.48 | armin | paperd: okay. thank you. :) |
| 19:54.13 | Spec | the package name is also docker.io |
| 19:54.39 | Spec | at least i'm pretty sure it is, don't quote me |
| 19:54.49 | paperd | i believe that is correct Spec |
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| 19:59.15 | ArneSE | Hmm, I'm getting almost half battery time of WinXP |
| 20:00.04 | paperd | what is your graphics chipset? |
| 20:00.23 | rescue | hy guys |
| 20:00.24 | ArneSE | Maybe it's because of the 100% CPU thing tricking the fan to go wild (the machine isn't hot) |
| 20:00.31 | rescue | happy new year to all |
| 20:00.47 | ArneSE | intel atom N280 at 1.66 GHz |
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| 20:01.04 | armin | by the way, the link referenced on http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index2h2 reveals a 404 when accessing http://http.debian.net/debian |
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| 20:01.15 | Shadow_7 | an atom with a fan? |
| 20:01.25 | armin | so if you copy/paste the line from there you'll end up with no backports at all |
| 20:02.08 | ArneSE | it's an Asus eeePC 1000HE |
| 20:02.16 | rescue | i have a problem. use debian jessie and when i try to boot it prompts to initramfs with error message volumegroup does not exist |
| 20:02.24 | rescue | http://paste.debian.net/359092/ |
| 20:02.37 | ArneSE | 64Wh battery, rate 12.1W |
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| 20:03.30 | paperd | ArneSE: I have an eeePC 1005HA and my battery life is fine |
| 20:03.52 | boubou | hi all |
| 20:03.53 | boubou | nano |
| 20:03.54 | boubou | -bash: /usr/bin/nano: No such file or directory |
| 20:03.58 | Devastator | I also have an 1005HA, no linux though hehe |
| 20:04.06 | Devastator | boubou apt-get install nano? |
| 20:04.08 | boubou | after I updated my OS, I got this error |
| 20:04.10 | boubou | :( |
| 20:04.17 | ArneSE | paperd, Maybe I'm using a bad gfx driver so it eats energy doing software render |
| 20:04.24 | Devastator | ,v nano |
| 20:04.25 | judd | Package: nano on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.4-1; wheezy: 2.2.6-1+b1; jessie: 2.2.6-3; stretch: 2.4.2-1+b1; sid: 2.4.3-1 |
| 20:04.28 | boubou | Devastator nano is already installed |
| 20:04.39 | Devastator | boubou reinstall it? |
| 20:04.41 | boubou | remove thewn rein |
| 20:04.42 | boubou | ok |
| 20:04.54 | paperd | ArneSE: install powertop and you can monitor what is eating power |
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| 20:06.11 | ArneSE | paperd, Looking at it now (was already installed) |
| 20:06.21 | boubou | Devastator |
| 20:06.24 | boubou | update-alternatives: using /bin/nano to provide /usr/bin/editor (editor) in auto mode |
| 20:06.24 | boubou | update-alternatives: using /bin/nano to provide /usr/bin/pico (pico) in auto mode |
| 20:06.24 | boubou | root@boubou:~# nano |
| 20:06.24 | boubou | -bash: /usr/bin/nano: No such file or directory |
| 20:06.38 | boubou | 4 lines, is it too much ? |
| 20:06.39 | boubou | :( |
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| 20:06.51 | Devastator | boubou which release |
| 20:06.52 | Devastator | ? |
| 20:06.58 | boubou | debian 8 |
| 20:07.16 | boubou | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:07.16 | boubou | stretch/sid |
| 20:07.25 | Devastator | ahh, not 8 then |
| 20:07.28 | ArneSE | paperd, how do I switch to device stats? |
| 20:07.33 | Shadow_7 | boubou: lsb_release -a |
| 20:07.40 | Devastator | you are using testing |
| 20:07.47 | paperd | ArneSE: read the man page? |
| 20:08.04 | boubou | Distributor ID: Debian |
| 20:08.04 | boubou | Description: Debian GNU/Linux oldstable-updates (sid) |
| 20:08.04 | boubou | Release: oldstable-updates |
| 20:08.06 | boubou | sid |
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| 20:08.38 | boubou | I thought it was ok :( |
| 20:08.38 | boubou | sry |
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| 20:13.53 | boubou | Devastator |
| 20:13.57 | boubou | do u have a clue ? |
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| 20:17.10 | Devastator | boubou you are using an unstable release, breakage can happen |
| 20:17.20 | boubou | yes |
| 20:17.29 | Devastator | why you are using it is another question.. |
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| 20:18.03 | boubou | testing is considered as unstable ? |
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| 20:18.18 | boubou | There is an unstable and a testing releases |
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| 20:18.23 | boubou | Im using testing |
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| 20:18.56 | Devastator | it is testing, bad things can also happen there |
| 20:19.04 | graymonkey_ | when i do apt-get update let it finish then lock screen and then back I get a 'updates available' message...are these the same updates from apt ? |
| 20:19.29 | boubou | Devastator ok |
| 20:19.57 | graymonkey_ | its gui this times |
| 20:20.02 | boubou | I used testing since a long time and I never got big issues |
| 20:20.08 | boubou | ahhh maybe one time |
| 20:20.17 | Devastator | see? :) |
| 20:20.30 | boubou | ;) |
| 20:20.46 | boubou | Devastator, you are not using testing ? |
| 20:20.58 | Devastator | I recommend stable+backports if you don't wanna get into trouble |
| 20:20.59 | graymonkey_ | basically are gui updates the same as cli? |
| 20:21.08 | Devastator | boubou nope |
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| 20:37.54 | ArneSE | looks like systemd-journald is constantly eating 60% CPU |
| 20:38.23 | KNERD | yummy |
| 20:38.37 | ArneSE | it seems to think so |
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| 20:40.30 | jhutchins | ArneSE: Which release? Default configuration or have you enabled something with journald? |
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| 20:42.46 | ArneSE | latest live release, I checked jounaledctl and it's just wireless driver fail spam |
| 20:43.32 | ArneSE | Maybe that's why the SSD wasslow, it was spamming journal entries? |
| 20:47.11 | ArneSE | looks like there's a bug in systemd-jounaled which makes it spam wireless problems? |
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| 20:55.27 | nenis2i8 | hello. |
| 20:55.35 | nenis2i8 | my print job is pending but won't priont |
| 20:55.40 | nenis2i8 | what is going on? |
| 20:55.52 | nenis2i8 | how long can a job remain in pending status without printing? |
| 20:56.04 | nenis2i8 | how do i get the os to start printing? |
| 20:56.11 | ronaldvz | @nenis2i8 is your printer's power on? |
| 20:56.14 | nenis2i8 | yes |
| 20:56.31 | nenis2i8 | printer is powered on with a sheet of paper in it |
| 20:57.02 | nenis2i8 | i have only one AC cord so i had to send the job to the printer then turn off the monitor then plug in the printer and turn it oin |
| 20:57.13 | nenis2i8 | but now that it's on i can't figure out why it's not printing |
| 20:57.48 | nenis2i8 | bloody annoying and i am losing my patience. |
| 20:58.04 | ronaldvz | do you know keyboard commands to start the printjob? |
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| 20:58.26 | nenis2i8 | but the job is pending. shouldn't it start on its own? |
| 20:58.29 | ronaldvz | then you can try to CTRL+P -> Enter when your printer is connected from the start (and your monitor isn't) |
| 20:58.30 | Aebian | if my debian laptop is not connecting to any WiFi, could it be a driver issue? |
| 20:58.31 | nenis2i8 | how long can it remain pending without starting? |
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| 20:58.47 | ronaldvz | nenis2i8: could be forever |
| 20:59.18 | nenis2i8 | ronaldvz: why wouldn't it start? |
| 20:59.21 | ronaldvz | but i'm no guru, haven't printed in ages |
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| 20:59.54 | nenis2i8 | what i did was i got everything ready so that the print button was under my mouse, then i turned off the monitor, plugged in the printer, turned it on |
| 20:59.58 | nenis2i8 | then clicked my mouse |
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| 21:00.08 | ronaldvz | ah ok, that should be fine then |
| 21:00.12 | nenis2i8 | and the job went through because when i turned off the printer and turned on the monitor to see what was going on it said PENDING |
| 21:00.15 | nenis2i8 | so what's going on? |
| 21:00.22 | ronaldvz | does it give any details on the job? |
| 21:00.33 | nenis2i8 | it just says pending |
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| 21:01.34 | ronaldvz | dunno, you might want to check the cups log |
| 21:01.35 | nenis2i8 | it shouldn't be rocket science. why the heck wouldn't it print? |
| 21:01.44 | nenis2i8 | it recognizes my printer exactly, the exact model. |
| 21:02.04 | nenis2i8 | i'll go back on the computer and see what it says |
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| 21:02.50 | nenis3i8 | it's me nenis |
| 21:03.01 | nenis3i8 | i went back to the computer and the pending job disappeared |
| 21:03.04 | nenis3i8 | no jobs were listed |
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| 21:03.54 | nenis3i8 | i think the problem is that when i am printing i am doing so with the printer turned off |
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| 21:04.02 | nenis3i8 | this time i'm going to try it idfferently |
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| 21:05.18 | nenis2i8 | this time i turned on the printer |
| 21:05.28 | nenis2i8 | and had the print button under my cursor |
| 21:05.38 | nenis2i8 | clicked it and then hit enter |
| 21:05.45 | nenis2i8 | still not working |
| 21:05.58 | jhutchins | nenis2i8: The print system (cups) probably has paused the printer because it was off-line. Go into the admin tab and restart the printer. |
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| 21:07.03 | jhutchins | When I think of the hundreds of power cords I've thrown out... |
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| 21:09.33 | nenis3i8 | unbelievable how hard it is to make it print |
| 21:09.37 | nenis3i8 | it's still not working |
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| 21:09.48 | nenis3i8 | i can't get a cord shipped to me within 3 days |
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| 21:10.15 | nenis3i8 | i have the job in the pending print jobs |
| 21:10.26 | nenis3i8 | if i turn off the monitor, turn on the printer, and go outside for 15 mins |
| 21:10.33 | nenis3i8 | should it print by the time i come back? |
| 21:11.00 | ronaldvz | in theory: yes, depending on how fast/slow/broken your printer is |
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| 21:11.12 | nenis3i8 | i waited 5 mins and nothing happened |
| 21:11.17 | nenis3i8 | can't figure out why it would take so long |
| 21:11.22 | nenis3i8 | it's an hp laserjet 1018 |
| 21:11.42 | nenis3i8 | i had no paper either so i cut out a page from a map i had |
| 21:11.46 | nenis3i8 | i put that in the printer |
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| 21:11.50 | nenis3i8 | could that be the problem? |
| 21:12.31 | nenis3i8 | think i'll print it off tomorrow from the library |
| 21:12.38 | ArneSE | paperd, Well, my SSD speed went up a ton after masking and stopping systemd-journald which was spamming wifi malfunctions in a log. Fan speed went down, Watt rate too |
| 21:13.14 | paperd | sounds like you found the problem ArneSE |
| 21:13.34 | welpo | What's the name of the clipboard that is used when I select something from the terminal? I can Shift+Ins to paste in it, but Control+V doesn't work outside |
| 21:14.03 | ArneSE | Only problem left now is that the "start menu" freezes at first boot as the mouse moves over the items (for like 10seconds) |
| 21:14.16 | ronaldvz | nenis3i8; dunno if selfmade paper could be a problem |
| 21:15.22 | ronaldvz | did find a special page on hp laserjets in that range on debianwiki though |
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| 21:16.07 | ronaldvz | https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting : search for laserjet |
| 21:17.20 | nenis3i8 | i'll just print it tomorrow |
| 21:17.25 | nenis3i8 | i put the printer away |
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| 21:23.22 | nenis3i8 | amazon is giving me a refund. |
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| 21:25.37 | nenis3i8 | amazon is giving me a refund. excellent company for hassle-free shopping. |
| 21:26.09 | jhutchins | ArneSE: I don't think you understand the concept of event logging. It's not journald's fault, it's the wireless card. |
| 21:26.31 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: Why are they giving you a refund? |
| 21:26.44 | nenis3i8 | jhutchins: because the unit has a bothersome fan. |
| 21:27.02 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: Ah. Not because it didn't have a power cord. |
| 21:27.10 | nenis3i8 | no |
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| 21:27.20 | nenis3i8 | but amazon doesn't care about the reason |
| 21:27.24 | nenis3i8 | any reason is fine within 30 days |
| 21:27.27 | nenis3i8 | just like bestbuy |
| 21:27.35 | nenis3i8 | maybe bestbuy is 14 days now |
| 21:27.51 | nenis3i8 | regardless, it's nice insurance when purchasing new computers |
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| 21:28.17 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: I think printing tomorrow at the library sounds like the least frustrating solution. |
| 21:28.31 | nenis3i8 | that's what i am doing |
| 21:28.40 | nenis3i8 | and i am having an ac cord shipped to me in the meantime |
| 21:28.42 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: If there's a 3rd party computer shop somewhere you you can probably get a cord for about $1. |
| 21:28.43 | nenis3i8 | for future user |
| 21:29.03 | nenis3i8 | i'll take a look at The Source |
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| 21:29.31 | nenis3i8 | no, they want $20 |
| 21:29.34 | nenis3i8 | better to just order from amazon |
| 21:29.54 | nenis3i8 | that's what happens when non-christians run these companies |
| 21:30.04 | nenis3i8 | they try to get as much as they can with no regard for the other man |
| 21:30.07 | PigDude_ | anyone know which Xorg synaptics setting I have to change so that the bottom right corner of my trackpad (the lower ~1cm, right half) does not register a right click event. This is a Debian default... `synclient -l` shows RBCornerButton is set to 0, which means this shouldn't happen, unless I've checked the wrong config option |
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| 21:30.44 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/301835028761?item=301835028761&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466&rmvSB=true |
| 21:31.08 | nenis3i8 | is that cord as good as this one? |
| 21:31.29 | nenis3i8 | http://www.amazon.ca/AC-Power-Cord-LCD-TV-Plasma-DLP-LED-Monitor-Panasonic-Magnavox-ViewSonic/dp/B008DM2WIK/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1451683872&sr=1-2&keywords=ac+cord |
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| 21:32.54 | PigDude_ | reading the synaptics manpage, I'm at a loss for an alternate option... but surely somebody knows about this as it's standard Debian setup and definitely not a standard interaction for Windows/OSX |
| 21:32.58 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: They are 90% the same, some are a little heavier than others, but those two look about the same. |
| 21:33.07 | PigDude_ | that is, it's something I'd expect people to often override |
| 21:33.17 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: There is no such thing as high performance copper wire. |
| 21:33.20 | drpresident | im having issues with my nvidia proprietary driver on debian jessie, i just get no screens found after running startx |
| 21:33.32 | nenis3i8 | jhutchins: "The seller has not specified shipping options to Canada." |
| 21:33.35 | drpresident | i just installed it and blacklisted nouveau im on kernel 3 |
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| 21:34.27 | PigDude_ | here is the output of `synclient -l`: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/209b880384e4960bee7b/raw/cdd54948a93ff090ccf713c6e780d8fd0bd423f3/gistfile1.txt |
| 21:34.39 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: So maybe there's an ebay Canada? |
| 21:34.42 | nenis3i8 | jhutchins: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/6ft-1-8m-Electrical-AC-Electric-Power-Cable-Wire-Cord-3-Prong-/131243331809?hash=item1e8eb650e1:g:PjAAAOSw4bVToLOv |
| 21:34.45 | nenis3i8 | This is the same? |
| 21:35.00 | nenis3i8 | Ships from Vancouver. Should be here quickly. |
| 21:35.09 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: There's an iso standard for them. |
| 21:36.31 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: http://pricewatch.com is a good tool. |
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| 21:41.44 | PigDude_ | d'oh looks like stupid RightButtonLeft/RightButtonTop settings |
| 21:41.56 | PigDude_ | so not only is there a setting about what happens if you click the "bottom right" |
| 21:42.08 | PigDude_ | there's also options to make the bottom right a right-click zone anyway. slick... |
| 21:42.22 | PigDude_ | anyone know how this is configured during installation? |
| 21:42.25 | PigDude_ | seems interesting |
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| 21:46.22 | PigDude_ | ok i'm leaving to restart X but this doesn't seem like a topic of much interest anyway :) |
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| 21:48.19 | stephen_ | what font packages would people recomend? |
| 21:49.34 | Jeivy | the default ones |
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| 21:50.40 | ArneSE | jhutchins, then it's a vulnerability of the system, being susceptible to spam |
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| 21:51.19 | jhutchins | ArneSE: You really have no idea what you're talking about. Spam is email. |
| 21:51.20 | stephen_ | Jeivy: (Y) |
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| 21:52.15 | ArneSE | jhutchins, Spam is a sort of food, really, technically. |
| 21:52.41 | Jeivy | the fonts installed by default instalation proccess suits most user needs |
| 21:52.44 | PigDude_ | yay that did it if it annoys anyone else. just had to set: Option "SoftButtonAreas" "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0". https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/5331cc65c7b4bad43ab1/raw/c1121ae4dd4e2bedaf030b2b27c923fe5998c72d/50-synaptics.conf |
| 21:53.06 | PigDude_ | maybe synaptics shouldn't configure this if the laptop also has physical mouse buttons :) |
| 21:53.12 | PigDude_ | anywho weird default |
| 21:53.47 | nenis3i8 | "DirectCanada shipping offers not valid to PO Boxes, Canadian Territories, and certain rural areas. $9.99 Air Shipping Offer valid only for qualifying items for orders under 5 lbs. Free Ground Shipping on orders over $50 are limited to a maximum weight of 25lbs." |
| 21:53.53 | nenis3i8 | Why would they not ship to my PO Box? |
| 21:53.55 | nenis3i8 | What do I do? |
| 21:53.57 | jhutchins | PigDude_: I doubt if x has any real way of figuring out what buttons are there. OS stuff tends to enable everything just in case, and let it fail if the hardware's not present. |
| 21:54.13 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: Ship it to work? |
| 21:54.30 | nenis3i8 | To work? |
| 21:54.35 | nenis3i8 | That's ridiculous |
| 21:54.41 | nenis3i8 | why can't they ship to my PO Box? |
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| 21:54.44 | Jeivy | i use to install a language specific package like Ar Phick Uming |
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| 21:55.58 | zykotick9 | nenis3i8: they might require a signature? |
| 21:56.13 | nenis3i8 | zykotick9: But I can sign at the post office |
| 21:56.18 | nenis3i8 | I've done that several times before |
| 21:56.25 | nenis3i8 | makes no sense that they would not ship to my PO Box |
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| 21:56.49 | nenis3i8 | It's a tiny computer box. I've seen people pick up large items from the post office. |
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| 21:58.18 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: They're probably shipping UPS or FedX, which can't do PO boxes. |
| 21:58.18 | hbvt | what? libvirt has systemd dependencies synce jessie? Does this mean that systemd is, over time, forced upon those who don't want it by the way of being a dependency when it doesn't have to be? |
| 21:58.41 | nenis3i8 | jhutchins: So they should ship with Canada Post. |
| 21:58.45 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: They are, after all, competitors. |
| 21:58.50 | nenis3i8 | I've had tons of things shipped from Amazon and elsewhere without any issues. |
| 21:58.56 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: Find somebody who does. |
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| 21:59.19 | nenis3i8 | jhutchins: Yes, I found someone. |
| 21:59.27 | nenis3i8 | So they lost my business. Plus the price is $15 less. |
| 21:59.50 | jhutchins | nenis3i8: Pays to look around. |
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| 22:07.17 | Jeivy | systemd, xorg and uefi are making linux really bloated |
| 22:08.18 | mogwai_ | gui'd do that, uefi and systemd are plots of the illuminati |
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| 22:09.22 | PigDude_ | jhutchins, interesting, there must be something in synaptics that defaults to this right-button region then |
| 22:09.27 | PigDude_ | learn something every day :) |
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| 22:16.13 | Jeivy | does anyone knows which debian kernel star |
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| 22:27.33 | jordanm | Jeivy: It was most likely in one of the 2.x releases 1998-2000 |
| 22:28.07 | Jeivy | thx |
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| 22:28.50 | azy_ | is there a list of 'free' wireless usb adapters? |
| 22:31.10 | DDR | Hello, all. On Debian 8, running on my desktop PC, I have attached a wacom tablet. It gives input under windows and ubuntu, but not Debian. Under all three, the lights on the tablet are responsive. While a few entries bearing the tablet name show up in /dev/input/by-id, none of them seem to actually provide any data when I view them with cat. (Catting the mouse produces garbage when I move the mouse, so I expect to see the same thing with the tablet.) |
| 22:31.10 | DDR | I've also installed the KDE config module, so I can see the tablet in kde's system settings. Everything seems kosher there as well, but yet the tablet doesn't seem to provide input to my mouse cursor on screen. |
| 22:32.00 | testpil0t | maybe try installing non-free-firmwares |
| 22:33.52 | DDR | I don't think there are any, based on http://www.wacom.com/en-us/support/product-support/drivers which only offers windows and mac downloads. |
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| 22:38.15 | zykotick9 | azy_: you could look on www.h-node.org |
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| 22:41.06 | jhutchins | DDR: Check dmesg, lsusb, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:41.52 | jhutchins | DDR: If it works in ubuntu, see what drivers and modules they're using, you can find or build them for Debian. |
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| 22:42.20 | DDR | I'll give that a shot if some else fails. |
| 22:42.21 | DDR | The tablet shows up in lsusb, |
| 22:43.33 | DDR | xorg seems happy, too. http://www.pasteall.org/63087 |
| 22:43.50 | jhutchins | DDR: You might need an xorg.conf fragment, I'd do some google searching on the specific model (as seen by lsusb). |
| 22:44.01 | DDR | Thanks. |
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| 22:50.50 | toddcspokane | Which is the best option to download for lenovo s10e netbook (atom n270 2gbram) - i386? |
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| 22:52.16 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
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| 22:56.41 | Shadow_7 | toddcspokane: if it's recent and x86, the x86_64 or amd64 one would be most likely |
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| 22:58.38 | rww | I think the n270 is i386. |
| 22:59.08 | rww | yep, Intel ARK says its instruction set is 32-bit, so i386. |
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| 23:01.34 | toddcspokane | k thanks. |
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| 23:13.57 | mns | are there command line tools that I can use for mass editing of MP3 tags ? I've got 2000+ songs and need to change the ID tags so they are cataloged correctly. |
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| 23:15.09 | Awal1 | How to make jessie grub the one that handles my machine in dual boot jessie/sid (sid installed after jessie)? |
| 23:15.38 | Guest38120 | install grub from jessie. |
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| 23:18.08 | Awal1 | jessie installer have installed it's grub version yet and sid did same thing. sid grub is periodically upgraded not jessie one, so . I want use the jessie one no matters if sid one is upgraded or not |
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| 23:18.59 | Awal1 | something like blacklisting sid grub and always run jessie grub |
| 23:20.16 | teraflops | Awal1: so youre mixing testing/sid without knowing what are you doing? |
| 23:20.53 | Awal1 | probably I will have to run "grub-install /dev/sda && update-grub" every time sid grub is upgraded :D |
| 23:21.11 | Awal1 | teraflops, I know what I do, it's a testing machine that one :P |
| 23:21.35 | Awal1 | I mean run that command from jessie :) |
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| 23:22.08 | teraflops | Awal1: ah ... |
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| 23:24.20 | Awal1 | teraflops, I have a sid machine here running pure openbox debian system since 1 year now and never had problems |
| 23:24.55 | Awal1 | I had a lot if gnome/kde installed yeah |
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| 23:26.35 | Awal1 | but I cross my fingers when kernel, xorg or grub are updated :D |
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| 23:27.45 | roylaprattep | If I upgrade to jessie from wheezy |
| 23:27.56 | roylaprattep | Will I lose my roundcube installation ? |
| 23:28.11 | Awal1 | roundcube? |
| 23:28.22 | testpil0t | no. this should not affect your installation |
| 23:28.26 | testpil0t | Awal1, some webmail-interface |
| 23:28.30 | roylaprattep | Yeah, because it is not in the main repo |
| 23:28.35 | roylaprattep | only in jessie backport |
| 23:28.38 | testpil0t | it should not be removed |
| 23:28.41 | testpil0t | if you can, still make backups |
| 23:28.42 | roylaprattep | OK. |
| 23:28.51 | roylaprattep | I hesitate to do the upgrade |
| 23:28.57 | roylaprattep | as my server rolling a1 |
| 23:29.07 | roylaprattep | dunno if its worth it |
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| 23:29.27 | testpil0t | 90% of my upgrades went through without problems |
| 23:29.39 | testpil0t | i only had some network problems on a VM which only routes some traffic |
| 23:29.49 | roylaprattep | Ok. |
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| 23:30.04 | roylaprattep | I am using wheezy-backports, probably i have the latest version jessie has |
| 23:30.48 | Awal1 | v, roundcube |
| 23:30.55 | Awal1 | ,v roundcube |
| 23:30.56 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg.1-4~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.1.3+dfsg.1-1; sid: 1.1.4+dfsg.1-1 |
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| 23:31.11 | careta | hi |
| 23:31.34 | careta | anyone knows why iceaweasel is listening on one random udp and udp6 port? |
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| 23:32.19 | testpil0t | careta, does it do that aswell without any extensions running? |
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| 23:32.45 | careta | testpil0t, I'm not sure, I'll try that |
| 23:33.12 | testpil0t | If its still listening, i'd be interested in the reason aswell :) |
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| 23:34.06 | careta | I tried disabling them one by one and restarting several times |
| 23:34.17 | careta | it seemed to have stopped listening on the udp ports |
| 23:34.21 | roylaprattep | well |
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| 23:34.32 | roylaprattep | wish me gl, gonna do the dist-upgrade right now |
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| 23:34.52 | careta | however I keep iceweasel open for days and hibernate all the time |
| 23:34.54 | roylaprattep | see you later, maybe. |
| 23:35.15 | careta | maybe it just opens the udp ports after some time, so I'll do the test again leaving more time before testing another extension |
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| 23:38.28 | testpil0t | careta, ok. please keep me informed :) |
| 23:39.24 | _0x5eb_ | hi, how could we grant a user the right to access a bluetooth controller (e.g. use bluetoothctl) from SSH (the user already belongs to the bluetooth group)? |
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| 23:42.37 | _0x5eb_ | (I guess I need to somehow activate dbus on my ssh session but I can't find how) |
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| 23:50.42 | teraflops | _0x5eb_: yes afaik is borked in jessie |
| 23:51.28 | teraflops | _0x5eb_: give a try exporting DISPLAY I guess |
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| 23:52.23 | _0x5eb_ | teraflops, well it's an embedded router, so no X11 |
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