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| 00:11.51 | jacobcnobody | anyone recommend a decent wysiwyg html editor for wheezy Kompozer is a bust and not dist-upgrading ATM |
| 00:12.50 | jacobcnobody | and bluegriffon is proprietary |
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| 00:14.37 | jacobcnobody | I take that back, open except for add ons |
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| 00:17.51 | jacobcnobody | fing BG even charges for the manual ;( |
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| 00:23.19 | xevz | b 31 |
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| 00:30.11 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 00:30.47 | tite12345 | I'm trying to install themes I get from Gnome Look website but I can't seem to find the .theme folder. |
| 00:31.13 | tite12345 | There isn't any in /home/user, when in fact there should be - at least I think it should. |
| 00:31.28 | tite12345 | Trying to install this http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Elementary?content=147378 |
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| 00:31.44 | tite12345 | Help please? |
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| 00:35.38 | tite12345 | I got it now |
| 00:35.53 | tite12345 | I just enabled User Themes in Tweak tool |
| 00:36.09 | tite12345 | You guys know where I'm going with this right? :p |
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| 00:43.38 | awal1 | how to search specific words/sections in man Xpack ? |
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| 00:45.31 | nkuttler | awal1: um, in what? man (1) just uses whatever pager you have configured, less by default. see h for help |
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| 00:47.21 | awal1 | nkuttler: ok, got you, thanks :) |
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| 00:53.04 | awal1 | nkuttler: i was learning about sox . man sox | less does the job |
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| 00:53.13 | awal1 | but I dont get sox to work :P |
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| 00:54.54 | johnfg | Is there anyway to restore system permissions in the /var directory and all underneath? I've made myself some problems, and haven't been able to solve them yet. |
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| 00:55.38 | johnfg | Can't explain it too much, except that i know some permissions are wrong, and I tried restoring them from a backup, per some help from here, but it hasn't worked. |
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| 00:58.27 | x0rs | So saddened by Ian Murdock's passing. I just met a close friend of his (he lived in my city), and I was dying for an introduction. His work changed the world. |
| 00:58.54 | nkuttler | x0rs: /topic |
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| 01:04.09 | awal1 | libsox-fmt-all (all sox format libraries) was missing. with that file all works fine now :) |
| 01:04.50 | awal1 | with that extra pack ^ |
| 01:04.52 | awal1 | :P |
| 01:05.26 | awal1 | seems that sox doesn't support online radio (?) |
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| 01:09.40 | johnfg | Any thoughts on restoring owners and permissions to a good state in /var? |
| 01:11.47 | Shadow_7 | johnfg: do a fresh install elsewhere and compare? |
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| 01:12.29 | Shadow_7 | !confmiss |
| 01:12.30 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 01:12.34 | johnfg | Shadow_7: Not really practical for me at this point. |
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| 01:31.01 | hhutch | I have a jessie based distro, and i'm trying to get a hardware serial console going with agetty +systemd using a usb->serial adapter. I have a second computer running minicom connected with a crossover cable, and i get a login prompt, but the agetty keeps resetting either "randomly" or on login attempt... anyone have suggestions? the documentation on agetty + systemd for this seems really thin |
| 01:31.37 | bazhang | hhutch, kali? |
| 01:32.23 | hhutch | no actually it's raspbian, but i've had the same issues with systemd on ubuntu as well |
| 01:32.24 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell hhutch about based on debian |
| 01:32.37 | bazhang | #raspbian hhutch |
| 01:32.53 | hhutch | sure, but the issue is understand agetty + systemd |
| 01:33.08 | bazhang | go to the raspbian channel |
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| 01:52.31 | astalsi | Can anyone tell me where to find the debug info for gstramer1.0-plugins-good? There doesn't seem to be a gstreamer1.0-plugins-good-dev, like I would expect. |
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| 01:55.41 | teraflops | astalsi: dev is not dbg |
| 01:56.18 | astalsi | teraflops: Indeed. My mistake. I need debugging symbols for it. Where do I find those? |
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| 01:56.42 | teraflops | astalsi: gstreamer1.0-plugins-good-dbg |
| 01:56.52 | astalsi | dumb question, I just got there myself. Thanks! |
| 01:57.03 | teraflops | astalsi: np |
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| 01:57.18 | svetlana | out of curiousity, why does -dev exist for the bad section of plugins but not for the good one? |
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| 01:58.24 | teraflops | svetlana: evil is more elaborated :P |
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| 02:05.40 | penrod | exit |
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| 02:35.11 | awal1 | How to create an m3u playlist in terminal ? |
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| 02:36.19 | charchyboy | If you know the syntax, you can just use nano or vim |
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| 02:37.14 | charchyboy | not sure how accurate the syntax is, but take a look at this: http://n4k3d.com/the-m3u-file-format/ |
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| 02:42.36 | awal1 | charchyboy: ok, let me look at that link |
| 02:43.07 | awal1 | vlc does that just well but I would like do it my self via command line :) |
| 02:47.06 | charchyboy | Are you looking for an automated tool to create your playlist? |
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| 02:49.20 | awal1 | charchyboy: yeah |
| 02:49.40 | awal1 | but m3u format for play with sox |
| 02:49.47 | charchyboy | if you want... but the music you want to create a playlist for into the same folder and just run "ls *.mp3 |sort > nameofplaylist.m3u" |
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| 02:51.57 | awal1 | charchyboy: tried ls *.mp3 > nameofplaylist.m3u without "|sort" before asking but sox/mplayer wont read them |
| 02:52.08 | awal1 | let me add |sort to the command and see |
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| 02:55.39 | charchyboy | perhaps sox requires the absolute path? |
| 02:55.56 | charchyboy | if so then the following command will work better: |
| 02:55.59 | nkuttler | sox supports m3u files? |
| 02:56.18 | charchyboy | for f in *.mp4; do echo `pwd`/$f >> play.m3u; done |
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| 02:57.13 | charchyboy | oops in the above command you probably want to change mp4 to mp3, I just tested the command on mp4 files :P |
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| 02:57.39 | charchyboy | And no idea, I don't even know what sox is :P |
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| 02:59.06 | xtort- | anyone want a copy of cs:go on steam? i got a copy free from buying a steam link, but I already have it |
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| 02:59.20 | charchyboy | I would! |
| 03:00.11 | xtort- | msg me your steam username |
| 03:01.26 | xtort- | or post it here, or whatever, or msg me in steam- xtort0 |
| 03:02.13 | awal1 | charchyboy: cd to my music dir then run ls *.mp3 |sort > nameofplaylist.m3u (with |sort or without it) works fine and sox plays the songs just well. thanks. Now I'm figuring that the problem is that some songs in that created w3u playlist make sox unable to read that playlist at all, removing the problematic song all works fine |
| 03:02.29 | awal1 | by the way, what |sort does in the command? |
| 03:02.34 | awal1 | charchyboy ^ |
| 03:03.02 | Hydroxide | xtort-: don't use #debian for that kind of thing. #debian is only for Debian user support. if you're 100% sure everything you're offering is legal and completes with the relevant terms of use, feel free to offer it in #debian-offtopic. otherwise, it probably violates freenode policy so don't do it here. |
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| 03:04.15 | awal1 | !tell charchyboy about sox |
| 03:04.19 | xtort- | yeah, I wouldn't want to break the silence in here, my bad |
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| 03:04.47 | Hydroxide | xtort-: doesn't matter whether it's silent or not. (though you can see user support happening in parallel right now.) |
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| 03:05.38 | xtort- | k, then this isn't the place for me, g'bye |
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| 03:06.12 | charchyboy | sort: Write sorted concatenation of all FILE(s) to standard output. |
| 03:06.41 | charchyboy | Was not necessary to include into the command |
| 03:06.56 | charchyboy | sorry if I encouraged him Hydroxide :( |
| 03:08.41 | Hydroxide | charchyboy: if you didn't know the policy, you didn't know the policy. no worries. |
| 03:09.19 | awal1 | chrachyboy: ok, thanks for your attention cd to X dir then "ls *.mp3 (or ogg, etc) > destinationfolder andnameofplaylist.m3u" works just fine :) |
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| 03:10.27 | charchyboy | awesome! :) Glad you figured it out! |
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| 03:14.28 | Bitcho | HI |
| 03:14.34 | Bitcho | goodd night |
| 03:14.41 | Bitcho | how are you== |
| 03:14.46 | Bitcho | jajaja i am han solo |
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| 03:15.00 | Bitcho | this is my first night alone |
| 03:15.15 | Bitcho | how a re you |
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| 03:15.33 | bledo | i kñown |
| 03:15.45 | bledo | this is my famuly or |
| 03:15.52 | bledo | this is my finañ |
| 03:15.56 | bledo | final |
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| 03:15.59 | bledo | answers |
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| 03:16.02 | bledo | plis |
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| 03:17.25 | bledo | bueno ya que niun jilipollS |
| 03:17.28 | bledo | HABLA |
| 03:17.31 | bledo | lo dire yo |
| 03:17.35 | bledo | soy bledo |
| 03:17.42 | bledo | vendo cosmeticos |
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| 03:17.49 | bledo | y cada sabado |
| 03:17.53 | bledo | en cataluña |
| 03:17.57 | bledo | me decico |
| 03:18.01 | bledo | a admidrar |
| 03:18.11 | bledo | lo bueno que es linux par mi |
| 03:18.18 | bledo | leo sin peerdeerme |
| 03:18.23 | bledo | niuna palabr |
| 03:18.26 | bledo | a los genis |
| 03:18.32 | bledo | q pasan dia a dia |
| 03:18.37 | bledo | mirando su pantalla |
| 03:18.43 | bledo | estudiando |
| 03:18.54 | bledo | el sin fin de cosas que no trae |
| 03:18.57 | bledo | este s0 |
| 03:18.58 | bledo | o no |
| 03:19.03 | bledo | nos olvidamos |
| 03:19.07 | bledo | de la realidad |
| 03:19.15 | bledo | y nos creeemmos |
| 03:19.17 | bledo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.25 | bledo | de las cybernauta reealidad |
| 03:19.41 | bledo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.51 | bledo | un millon des estrellas y cosas |
| 03:19.57 | bledo | q son realidad pura |
| 03:20.01 | bledo | en sus sentimientos |
| 03:20.04 | bledo | jajajaj |
| 03:20.06 | bledo | si |
| 03:20.07 | bledo | jajaja |
| 03:20.10 | bledo | mucho jajaja |
| 03:20.21 | bledo | mucho abandonan el bukr |
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| 03:20.27 | bledo | pero pq tio |
| 03:20.36 | bledo | pq les da miedo explorar |
| 03:20.38 | bledo | mas alla |
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| 03:20.43 | bledo | de lo que su corazon |
| 03:20.48 | bledo | puede decir |
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| 03:21.09 | bledo | el primero que diga algo anormal |
| 03:21.11 | bledo | prende la mecha |
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| 03:22.09 | woh3 | what are the advantages of running the bsd kernel? |
| 03:22.25 | me | me says |
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| 03:22.38 | Guest11825 | this worls i need more peopler |
| 03:22.44 | Guest11825 | peeople |
| 03:22.48 | Guest11825 | or know |
| 03:23.13 | Guest11825 | n0 |
| 03:23.37 | SoyLeyenda | debian |
| 03:23.39 | SoyLeyenda | plis |
| 03:23.47 | SoyLeyenda | a todos los habla hispana |
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| 03:23.51 | SoyLeyenda | ocupo |
| 03:23.53 | SoyLeyenda | el espacio |
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| 03:23.57 | SoyLeyenda | de un leyendea |
| 03:24.01 | SoyLeyenda | para decir |
| 03:24.08 | SoyLeyenda | que buena esta tu hermana |
| 03:24.36 | YOUP | ola |
| 03:24.38 | YOUP | nuevamente |
| 03:24.51 | YOUP | hay alguien que respire aire= |
| 03:24.56 | YOUP | happy new year |
| 03:25.04 | YOUP | jajaajjaja se que no es su estilio |
| 03:25.12 | YOUP | pero /nick |
| 03:25.16 | YOUP | ola |
| 03:25.29 | MAMAMSOUND | hola nuevamente |
| 03:25.39 | MAMAMSOUND | si veo que un bug |
| 03:25.42 | MAMAMSOUND | seria mejor |
| 03:25.48 | MAMAMSOUND | aunque no sea que leean |
| 03:25.52 | MAMAMSOUND | un buug |
| 03:25.54 | MAMAMSOUND | guu |
| 03:25.56 | MAMAMSOUND | fuuu |
| 03:25.58 | MAMAMSOUND | faaa |
| 03:26.00 | MAMAMSOUND | sii |
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| 03:26.09 | MAMAMSOUND | hola |
| 03:26.11 | nkuttler | !ops something |
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| 03:26.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: something |
| 03:26.13 | MAMAMSOUND | how are yoy |
| 03:26.24 | AfroThundr | woh3: debian wiki has a decent explanation https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why |
| 03:26.26 | MAMAMSOUND | DQo |
| 03:26.40 | MAMAMSOUND | this is my poes |
| 03:26.41 | nkuttler | !es |
| 03:26.41 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 03:26.54 | MAMAMSOUND | whats your war |
| 03:26.59 | MAMAMSOUND | = |
| 03:27.01 | MAMAMSOUND | ? |
| 03:28.01 | GOOdeve | spanish |
| 03:28.03 | GOOdeve | or no |
| 03:28.05 | GOOdeve | to be |
| 03:28.10 | GOOdeve | speak |
| 03:28.17 | GOOdeve | or not |
| 03:28.24 | GOOdeve | to be |
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| 03:28.52 | GOOdeve | me parace hermitaño y ridiculo que mucha gente |
| 03:28.56 | GOOdeve | que dice representar |
| 03:29.01 | GOOdeve | un S0 |
| 03:29.14 | GOOdeve | que se creeo un gran propisito |
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| 03:29.27 | GOOdeve | de hacer creer a la gente en el mundo |
| 03:29.30 | Kurocon | !ops spamming |
| 03:29.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kurocon complains about: spamming |
| 03:29.35 | GOOdeve | que es lo mejor de lo mjejor |
| 03:29.43 | GOOdeve | no tenga huevoss |
| 03:29.46 | GOOdeve | para decir |
| 03:29.48 | GOOdeve | que es |
| 03:29.55 | GOOdeve | lo que todos esperamos de el |
| 03:30.03 | GOOdeve | me desepcionan |
| 03:30.05 | GOOdeve | gracias |
| 03:30.08 | GOOdeve | 10 año |
| 03:30.11 | GOOdeve | años para esto |
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| 03:30.39 | Kurocon | :D |
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| 03:48.09 | Phanes | are you guys calling zlib zlib1g-dev or is that something else? im not entirely sure what im looking at |
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| 03:52.34 | Phanes | you are. pls disregard. |
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| 04:06.39 | AfroThundr | sup |
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| 04:58.48 | awal1 | " find $HOME/Music -name '*.ogg' > $HOME/Music/playlistname.m3u" or .pls, etc does the job better :) |
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| 05:20.26 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 05:28.14 | smokeysea | I have a working debian installed on a laptop but in lv 'vg/debian' and I am trying to copy the entire disk image to some new laptop. stuck at grub |
| 05:28.36 | smokeysea | using fedora live cd to boot new cd and it has grub2-... commandings in it |
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| 05:28.51 | smokeysea | but if I chroot to copied iso it has grub |
| 05:29.04 | smokeysea | how can I proceed with grub-install? |
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| 06:01.48 | tomreyn | smokeysea: do you still seek assistence? |
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| 06:02.16 | smokeysea | tomreyn: thanks |
| 06:02.18 | smokeysea | issue is resolved |
| 06:02.29 | tomreyn | good :) |
| 06:02.30 | smokeysea | I had to mount /proc and /sys in chroot environment |
| 06:02.41 | smokeysea | THis was http://zeldor.biz/2010/12/install-grub-from-chroot/ the solution |
| 06:02.56 | smokeysea | so fedora came to rescue debian ;) |
| 06:03.14 | tomreyn | be sure to update grub again soon after booting from the new final media |
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| 06:03.40 | tomreyn | update grub + grub install |
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| 06:05.39 | smokeysea | ok |
| 06:05.59 | smokeysea | how can I make rescue image from runing debian? |
| 06:06.11 | smokeysea | bootable usb image? |
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| 06:09.29 | TheWarden | Hi, does anyone know how to fix audio so that its not muted at boot up in Gnome 3.14? I set the volume but yet its always muted when I turn the system back on or logout of my session and back in. |
| 06:09.45 | TheWarden | Using Debian Jessie |
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| 06:12.46 | Shadow_7 | looks like I still need the newer firmware for debian jessie for my rtl8723be wifi. |
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| 06:13.40 | Shadow_7 | otherwise nice to not need to roll my own kernel now. |
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| 06:17.19 | tomreyn | smokeysea: https://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 06:19.04 | smokeysea | tomreyn: thanks |
| 06:19.05 | tomreyn | this explains how to generate a generic bootable cd-rom or usb live debian boot device. I duggest writing the official https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 06:19.24 | smokeysea | I actually dont want to downaload anything |
| 06:19.34 | tomreyn | smokeysea: this does not contain any information about your installed system, so do not mix it up with a backup. |
| 06:19.36 | smokeysea | internet is not that great |
| 06:20.42 | tomreyn | trickle can help you limit the bandwidth, wget allows to continue downloads which have been interrupted |
| 06:22.05 | TheWarden | There must be some setting I need to change to stop the audio being muted all the time. |
| 06:22.17 | TheWarden | I've been searching online but thus far have not come up with a solution. |
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| 06:24.51 | tomreyn | TheWarden: have you tried alsamixer and pavucontrol? |
| 06:25.47 | TheWarden | tomreyn: No I've not. I've tried searching for a package for alsamixer but not finding it. never heard of pavucontrol. |
| 06:27.42 | tomreyn | judd: pavucontrol |
| 06:27.50 | tomreyn | judd: info pavucontrol |
| 06:27.51 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 06:27.52 | TheWarden | mm I installed alsa-utils but I don't see anything to resolve it. |
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| 06:28.58 | tomreyn | TheWarden: those tools are just to view and configure the volumne of your various audio devices / channels |
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| 06:29.50 | tomreyn | TheWarden: sometimes you have muted channels which you don't want to be muted, or channels with vulme set to 0 |
| 06:29.57 | tomreyn | *volume |
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| 06:30.07 | james41382 | Hi. Does anyone here use Tor? |
| 06:30.35 | tp43_ | My chromium browser is broken, I purged it, remove ~/.config/chromium and re-installed but it is the same |
| 06:30.42 | Shadow_7 | ,v pavucontrol |
| 06:30.43 | judd | Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-1; wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2 |
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| 06:31.41 | james41382 | Is Tor working in Jessie? |
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| 06:32.10 | eclectichedgehog | james41382: how are you using tor? |
| 06:32.15 | TheWarden | I dunno.. I set the volume and I hear everything fine but always have to re-set the volume again. Well I'm going to go... I'm really tired. I'll try figuring it out again tomorrow I guess. |
| 06:32.17 | TheWarden | Thanks |
| 06:33.01 | james41382 | eclectichedgehog, I'm not using it in Debian. I was working on something for another distribution, but it's not working due to an issue with a URL. I was wondering if it's working in Jessie. |
| 06:33.35 | james41382 | I saw a bug report for Debian earlier, but I'm not sure if it has been resolved. |
| 06:34.08 | eclectichedgehog | james41382: i have it working fine in sid but i just use the command line tor and not the gui tool |
| 06:34.49 | Shadow_7 | james41382: apt-listbugs to help find reported bugs... and reportbug to help view bug details. |
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| 06:39.38 | Phanes | does debian ship with a vanilla kernel? |
| 06:39.46 | Devastator | no |
| 06:40.04 | Hydroxide | Phanes: no distro ships with a vanilla kernel |
| 06:40.27 | Phanes | thats....patently false but answers my questions, thanks! |
| 06:40.42 | eclectichedgehog | Phanes: but it can work with one |
| 06:40.43 | Hydroxide | Phanes: none of the major ones do at least. however Debian's kernel is closer to vanilla than what is shipped by many other distros such as red hat or ubuntu |
| 06:41.09 | Devastator | Phanes you mean gentoo ships with vanilla? :) |
| 06:41.14 | Hydroxide | Phanes: the kernel.org community actively discourages distros from shipping vanilla kernels because then kernel.org would have to have a different release and support workflow than they do. |
| 06:41.15 | Phanes | heh |
| 06:41.30 | Phanes | hurrr? |
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| 06:41.33 | Phanes | haven't heard that one |
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| 06:41.35 | Hydroxide | Phanes: however, as eclectichedgehog says, Debian will work just fine with vanilla kernels. |
| 06:42.00 | Hydroxide | Phanes: I don't have a link to provide right now since I don't remember my source. |
| 06:42.06 | tp43_ | anyone can trouble shoot me Chromium, I did a purge and remove .config/chromium directory, but when I re-install, same thing, it is not working, the icon is there in the tool bar but when you click it, it freezes the screen and you have to hit alt-tab to get a another window and killall chromium to kill it |
| 06:42.32 | Devastator | Hydroxide see if you can give me a hand, I want to install Squeeze to test a driver from kernel 2.6.32, I see that there is still a squeeze folder in the repos and also a squeeze-lts folder, which one is recommended for this? |
| 06:42.34 | Phanes | i seriously question that kernel.org wants people to patch their codebase to create unnecessary deviations |
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| 06:43.07 | Hydroxide | Devastator: the primary support of squeeze by Debian has finished, so squeeze-lts is the only remaining support for squeeze |
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| 06:43.15 | Devastator | Phanes it's not code deviations, can be just a cherry-pick patch from an upfront kernel release for example |
| 06:43.38 | Phanes | hmmm |
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| 06:43.52 | Devastator | vanilla kernel + cherry-pick doesn't make it vanilla |
| 06:44.15 | Devastator | Hydroxide ok, so you say squeeze-lts is more "updated" then squeeze, correct? |
| 06:44.25 | Hydroxide | Phanes: as Devastator suggests it's not that they want unnecessary deviations, it's that they don't want to ensure that each kernel.org kernel release is sufficiently battle-tested without further fixes to be directly usable by normal distro end-users on every distro out there |
| 06:44.27 | Devastator | s/then/than |
| 06:44.58 | Hydroxide | Phanes: so they view the stable kernel.org releases as the input to the distro kernel teams who then do the appropriate testing and integrations/patches to make it work well, and then the distros support it for normal distro end-users. |
| 06:45.07 | Hydroxide | Phanes: and pick a version to support during the distro stable releases, etc. |
| 06:45.39 | Phanes | that makes some sense |
| 06:45.53 | Hydroxide | Phanes: for Debian's kernel, most (maybe all) of the patches applied to the kernel are indeed backported from upstream kernel.org after being accepted upstream. |
| 06:46.08 | Hydroxide | Phanes: plus of course they pick a set of kernel config options, etc. |
| 06:46.22 | Phanes | yeah |
| 06:46.29 | Phanes | thats cleaner than what fedora is doing |
| 06:46.41 | Hydroxide | fedora, red hat, and ubuntu do patch their kernels far more heavily |
| 06:46.59 | Hydroxide | which has pros and cons, but if you want close to vanilla, Debian is closer. |
| 06:47.04 | Phanes | is not 100% that fedora would run very well with a stock built kernel |
| 06:47.26 | Phanes | slackware is nigh vanilla last i checked around 12. |
| 06:47.41 | Devastator | debian will, I used to build my on kernel in woody and sarge |
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| 06:47.44 | eclectichedgehog | fedora doesn't run well on its own kernel either |
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| 06:48.00 | Devastator | s/on/own |
| 06:48.08 | Hydroxide | for Debian, while of course we don't heavily test every vanilla kernel with every version of debian, there are enough combos which will mostly or fully work, especially if you pick a similar vintage kernel.org kernel to the one debian is based on, and don't have hardware incompatibilites which debian has patched, etc |
| 06:48.52 | Devastator | make-kpgk also do wonders :P |
| 06:49.02 | Devastator | I don't know if it still exists though |
| 06:49.27 | Hydroxide | one example of a hardware thing: Debian 7 wheezy used a 3.2-based kernel. the kernel.org 3.2 kernel doesn't include the virtio-scsi disk driver, which is used for the main disk type in Google COmpute Engine. Debian 7's kernel does include that, backported from a later Linux version. so swapping that out for the equivalent upstream kernel would break usage in GCE. a recent kernel would of course avoid tha |
| 06:49.30 | simonlnu | nope, not in my set up |
| 06:49.33 | Hydroxide | t problem. |
| 06:50.10 | Phanes | interesting |
| 06:50.30 | simonlnu | kernel.org switched development model many years ago. |
| 06:50.31 | Phanes | my C isn't good enough for kernel yet so i cant complain too much anyway |
| 06:51.13 | Hydroxide | Phanes: your expectations of what is meant by a kernel.org release used to be accurate. as simonlnu says, they changed that definition. |
| 06:51.23 | Hydroxide | Devastator: yes, it does |
| 06:51.28 | Phanes | i am starting to see that |
| 06:51.40 | Phanes | i think ill stick around, this was informative |
| 06:51.53 | simonlnu | kernel-package .. doh. yes it does. |
| 06:51.58 | Hydroxide | Phanes: if you want to make a Debian-style kernel package out of an upstream kernel, you can use the make-kpkg program from the kernel-package package |
| 06:52.07 | Devastator | Hydroxide hum, I think there is no way to edit sources.list from the netinst installer so it would use squeeze-lts, right? |
| 06:52.08 | Hydroxide | Phanes: and then use it like the Debian-provided packages. |
| 06:52.19 | simonlnu | been a while since i used it too |
| 06:52.26 | Hydroxide | Devastator: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Installing |
| 06:52.26 | Phanes | how is your proprietary ATI driver support these days for modern cards? |
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| 06:52.37 | Shadow_7 | kernel-package gives you make-kpkg which you can build a .deb of a custom kernel |
| 06:52.48 | Hydroxide | Phanes: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 06:53.27 | simonlnu | (read: long while) |
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| 06:53.47 | sarthe | so, i put an audio cd in the drive. does debian go so far as to ban any music at all as per RIAA wishes, or what? |
| 06:54.03 | simonlnu | </troll> |
| 06:54.12 | sarthe | how the fuck do i play it?!? |
| 06:54.35 | Devastator | Hydroxide thank you! |
| 06:54.51 | Hydroxide | sarthe: calm down. :) you need to pick one of the many music playing programs we offer, but no, we don't impose restrictions on audio CD playing. |
| 06:55.07 | Hydroxide | simonlnu: worth giving him the benefit of the doubt initially :) |
| 06:55.11 | Shadow_7 | sarthe: mpv cdda:// |
| 06:56.18 | sarthe | Hydroxide, i am trying rythmbox... when all i had to do was type `cdplay`, long ago, thats all i can tolerate... |
| 06:57.04 | sarthe | mpv... whats that? trying... |
| 06:57.09 | Hydroxide | simonlnu: and, it looks like kernel-package has received updates as recently as 2014 from the maintainer and 2015 via NMUs, so it's not defunct! plus I know manoj is reachable and able to work on debian, which wasn't true for a span of several years for employment reasons |
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| 06:57.32 | Shadow_7 | sarthe: yet another fork of mplayer |
| 06:57.33 | Hydroxide | sarthe: it looks like you can get cdplay by installing the cdtool package |
| 06:57.43 | Hydroxide | sarthe: so if you are used to cdplay, install that and you'll have it |
| 06:58.05 | sarthe | shit, i forgot good old mplayer. thanks for the cdda:// reminder.... i thought it was cd:// |
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| 06:58.32 | sarthe | (good thing i compiled mplayer properly |
| 06:58.35 | sarthe | ) |
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| 06:58.54 | Phanes | are you guys really using a modified adduser?? |
| 06:59.37 | Hydroxide | Phanes: as opposed to what? the POSIX standard is useradd, which we also ship (and it does get called by Debian's adduser) |
| 07:00.06 | Hydroxide | Phanes: is there some other more authoritatively canonical version of adduser, and if so, is it actively maintained or just staying static? |
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| 07:00.16 | sarthe | really wish this pulse audio crap wouldnt fuck with the volume though. no matter. -af volume=+10 |
| 07:00.16 | Phanes | oh its a wrapper |
| 07:00.25 | Hydroxide | Phanes: yeah. it does useful extra things |
| 07:00.31 | Shadow_7 | sarthe: there's also cddb:// which does the lookup for track names |
| 07:00.32 | Phanes | it seems it |
| 07:00.45 | Hydroxide | Phanes: and it's canonical within the Debian context, but nobody's removing POSIX useradd |
| 07:00.46 | Phanes | this would be nice if i were not translating instructions to fedora |
| 07:00.53 | Phanes | im installing gitlab from source (yikes) |
| 07:01.04 | sarthe | Shadow_7, thanks, but i dont care... burnt cd off original. it wont work. |
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| 07:01.40 | sarthe | i already know the names anyway :) |
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| 07:03.34 | Hydroxide | Phanes: what you're noticing is that there are two main families of Linux distros and a lot of details like this do differ between the two. Debian (which has a huge number of descendants including prominently Ubuntu and Mint) actually predates Red Hat Linux (which has almost as many descendants including RHEL/CentOS and Fedora) and both are healthy ecosystems, but yeah details can differ. |
| 07:03.40 | simonlnu | Hydroxide: yes, of course. (benefit of the doubt). oh really? heh, nice (kernel-package) |
| 07:04.28 | Hydroxide | Phanes: slackware does predate debian but it has a much smaller ecosystem both directly and indirectly through derivatives. no other current distro does predate debian though :) gentoo is a separate thing I think - not sure if it originally derived from anyone |
| 07:04.56 | sarthe | Hydroxide, btw, `cdplay` and friends has been fucked since about 1990s |
| 07:05.07 | simonlnu | Hydroxide: i've found debian's adduser to be the definitive one. i've used arch linux, centos, rhel, 2 bsds, and an old mandrake. |
| 07:05.11 | Hydroxide | sarthe: I admit I haven't used cdplay in a while, so I don't know |
| 07:05.13 | sarthe | openbsd has the only functional one left |
| 07:05.21 | Hydroxide | simonlnu: might be definitive on linux, indeed. |
| 07:05.25 | Hydroxide | simonlnu: POSIX is of course broader |
| 07:05.32 | simonlnu | yeah ;) |
| 07:05.47 | sarthe | then take note, and file a bug, if are 'in the crowd' |
| 07:05.54 | sarthe | if you |
| 07:06.49 | Hydroxide | sarthe: we aren't experiencing the issue you are, but anyone can file a bug on Debian, even you. make sure you have the reportbug command installed and do 'reportbug cdtool'. it'll walk you through it. |
| 07:07.07 | simonlnu | "used" here i mean "had any sort of commandline access, and done administrative work on." |
| 07:07.20 | sarthe | 'we arent experiencing the issue...' because you never tried it. |
| 07:07.41 | Hydroxide | sarthe: true. but I also don't have a CD drive in my laptop and I have no audio CD easily accessible, so I can't :) |
| 07:07.51 | simonlnu | sarthe: nah, the bugs system is IME very professional |
| 07:07.54 | sarthe | the last bug i officially filed was about a proper raid board... got ignored. |
| 07:07.54 | tp43_ | I can't fix it -chromium. It is broken for good. All I can think of is re-installing my whole system or installing the non-free chromium from google website. |
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| 07:08.21 | sarthe | you dont have a cd drive in you laptop... sure. |
| 07:08.24 | Hydroxide | sarthe: no bug system anywhere regardless of vendor will guarantee a response or a fix, but indeed bugs do get followed up on and fixed. |
| 07:08.33 | Hydroxide | sarthe: yes, I'm absolutely sure. no optical drive in the Dell Latitude E7240. |
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| 07:08.42 | sarthe | youre just too bloody lazy to test. |
| 07:09.00 | Shadow_7 | tp43_: you could # apt-get install --reinstall chromium |
| 07:09.01 | tp43_ | ftp3.nrc.ca is down |
| 07:09.07 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, tried it |
| 07:09.09 | Hydroxide | sarthe: stop insulting people. we're happy to give you genuine assistance. if you're going to attack people we won't tolerate that here (even if the target is someone other than me.) |
| 07:09.20 | Phanes | how would I translate adduser --disabled-login --gecos 'GitLab' git to its useradd equivelant |
| 07:09.26 | sarthe | im fine, mate... the cd is playing. |
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| 07:09.33 | simonlnu | tp43_: i use httpedir.debian.org |
| 07:09.40 | Hydroxide | sarthe: the only person in Debian who has a responsibility to test your bug report is the maintainer of the cdtool package, and that's only if you file a bug explaining the problem. but, okay, that's fine too, no obligation to file a bug either. |
| 07:09.53 | sarthe | thanks partially to you, and mostly because of non-free mplayer |
| 07:10.12 | simonlnu | er, typo, httpredir* |
| 07:10.14 | Hydroxide | sarthe: mplayer is free and Debian does ship it. |
| 07:10.28 | Hydroxide | and no we don't remove anything about CD playing from mplayer. |
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| 07:11.08 | tp43_ | simonlnu, what is it? it is the repo for only some packages, I tried to install gdb and it stopped there, but installing chromium worked fine |
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| 07:11.25 | sarthe | Hydroxide, the cdtool maintainer decided to fuck the absolute shit out of its functionality in about 1998, there is a bug report for it, closed, and thus another one wont work |
| 07:11.39 | Shadow_7 | tp43_: might try ftp.ca.debian.org on your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:11.41 | Hydroxide | sarthe: to clarify: the current and previous stable release shipped mplayer2. but futuree stable releases have returned to 'regular' mplayer. |
| 07:11.46 | Shadow_7 | ,sources.list |
| 07:11.56 | Shadow_7 | dpkg sources.list |
| 07:11.56 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 07:12.05 | sarthe | as i said, the only functional versions of cdplay are from openbsd(and probably all others) |
| 07:12.13 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, thx |
| 07:12.32 | sarthe | i thought about making a new version, but im tired, bored, and stupid. |
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| 07:12.43 | sarthe | porting, i mean |
| 07:13.11 | Hydroxide | sarthe: actually, upon further investigation, debian's cdtool package is actually orphaned. if someone wants to maintain it and fix the bugs, that's fine, but otherwise it ought to be removed from future debian releases. |
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| 07:13.26 | Hydroxide | sarthe: certainly there's no maintainer to oppose a fix :) |
| 07:13.37 | sarthe | the last functional version in linux, was in the 1990s |
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| 07:14.30 | Hydroxide | sarthe: okay. if nobody on linux has a functional version, or if nobody cares about making it work, removing it seems like the right solution, especially given the presence of alternatives. if there is a functional version on other linux distros and someone wants it to work, they're welcome to make it work. |
| 07:14.48 | sarthe | Hydroxide, not surprising... was it when the linux maintainer decided he wanted <some wierd specific behaviour> that basically disabled it? |
| 07:15.02 | Hydroxide | I have no idea about the history here. |
| 07:15.28 | JeremyE77 | Canât the commits just be rolled back? |
| 07:15.40 | sarthe | there are posts about this... im too lazy to care, but if someone wants to make it work again, the openbsd cdtool source is where to start |
| 07:16.06 | Hydroxide | JeremyE77: which commits? my guess honestly is that stuff changed in linux and didn't change in cdtool. do you know which commits are relevant? |
| 07:16.18 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, thx, works now -that soure |
| 07:16.25 | JeremyE77 | personally I am all headless and couldnt access a CD drive if I wanted so I couldnt test or likely fix |
| 07:16.26 | sarthe | and as ive said... mplayer... which youre raring to remove too. |
| 07:16.35 | Hydroxide | sarthe: I play my music other ways, so I'll leave it to those who care about CDs. no, I'm not raring to remove mplayer. |
| 07:16.37 | Shadow_7 | sarthe: it's not the only cd app. cdparanoia, cdrdao, ... ... |
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| 07:16.54 | Hydroxide | sarthe: debian is not planning to remove mplayer. |
| 07:17.07 | sarthe | Shadow_7, none of those actually PLAY the cd. |
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| 07:17.09 | Hydroxide | sarthe: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mplayer |
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| 07:17.20 | Shadow_7 | sarthe: depends on how you pipe the data |
| 07:17.39 | Shadow_7 | mplayer2 is the more recent version of mplayer |
| 07:17.52 | Shadow_7 | although it drops libaa support which I find annoying |
| 07:18.24 | Hydroxide | Shadow_7: for jessie, that was the only option debian shipped, but debian shipped mplayer 1.x in older versions _and_ has resumed doing so for future releases |
| 07:18.34 | sarthe | Shadow_7, i have, in the past, resorted to cdparanoia to copy the entire cd to hd, so that sox, or whatever could play it in the past....this problem has gone on for so long, its ridiculous. |
| 07:19.00 | sarthe | 20 years or so now, i think? |
| 07:19.11 | Shadow_7 | sarthe: you could use xine and click the CD button |
| 07:19.27 | sarthe | and what if im in a terminal? |
| 07:20.13 | sarthe | im not now, which is why im not whining, but i AM MENTIONING that this is a ridiculous problem. |
| 07:20.32 | Hydroxide | Shadow_7: looks like mplayer2 has been removed post-jessie, because not only has Debian resumed shipping mplayer 1.x, it's apparently so dead upstream even the homepage is gone: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794817 |
| 07:20.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794817 in ftp.debian.org (closed, sid): «RM: mplayer2 -- ROM; dead upstream, replacement exists»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-08-06; last modified: 2015-11-29. |
| 07:20.47 | Shadow_7 | sarthe: xine-console... aaxine, cacaxine, fbxine |
| 07:20.50 | sarthe | even windos can 'just play a cd'. |
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| 07:21.14 | sarthe | when you fail harder than windos... you know theres something wrong. |
| 07:21.39 | Shadow_7 | heh. didn't win10 stop shipping a media player? can't even play a dvd in windows anymore |
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| 07:22.12 | Shadow_7 | and you have to PAY to play solitaire |
| 07:22.17 | sarthe | dunno, dont care. never used it |
| 07:22.23 | sarthe | but funny |
| 07:22.50 | Hydroxide | Shadow_7: pretty sure win10 stopped shipping windows media center and requires payment of some cost for dvd playing to cover patent licensing costs. sarthe is probably right that CD playing continues to work, although I only have win10 in a VM so can't easily check. |
| 07:22.50 | Shadow_7 | aka things I haven't had to worry about for a decade |
| 07:23.09 | Hydroxide | (and no I don't have an audio CD rip handy either) |
| 07:23.17 | JeremyE77 | Every OS has itâs Licensing or Dependent issues. Some are just more rediculous than others. |
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| 07:24.04 | sarthe | dont credit me for something i didnt do... the most recent version of windos i own is 2000 pro |
| 07:24.14 | Hydroxide | okay, suit yourself :) |
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| 07:24.51 | sarthe | if they even fucked up 'playing a cd' in more modern versions: hahah, FAIL, but thats no excuse for debian to |
| 07:25.46 | Hydroxide | sarthe: my guess is that people more frequently test the GUI versions plus things like mplayer / mpv / mpd these days. there are definitely ways to play CDs on debian. |
| 07:26.22 | sarthe | i gave up the new gnome 3d/unity shit in discust. :/ |
| 07:26.25 | Hydroxide | but indeed internal CD drives are vanishing. |
| 07:26.38 | Hydroxide | I also prefer things that aren't gnome 3d or unity. hello from kde :) |
| 07:26.38 | sarthe | no, theyre not |
| 07:27.04 | Hydroxide | in a relative sense they are. the big heavy workstation-replacement laptops and desktops still have them |
| 07:27.10 | Hydroxide | but lots of the lightweight ultrabooks and similar don't |
| 07:27.21 | sarthe | i switched to fvwm, my old favourite from sun days, but each to his own. |
| 07:27.42 | Hydroxide | I used fvwm2 in the departmental computer lab when I was an undergrad. also a good choice :) |
| 07:28.05 | sarthe | it was complicated in the 1980s... horribly so. |
| 07:28.09 | sarthe | but now its nice |
| 07:28.34 | sarthe | or so i say! |
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| 07:29.05 | Hydroxide | :) |
| 07:29.51 | Hydroxide | my laptop is especially amusing - it has a friggin' smart card reader, but no optical drive :) I guess it doesn't add the weight or thickness. |
| 07:30.25 | sarthe | what kind of an arsehole buys that... *ahem* |
| 07:30.43 | sarthe | ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H |
| 07:30.45 | Hydroxide | I just prioritize other things :) |
| 07:31.34 | sarthe | i hate those stupid litte sd cards... i keep losing them in the back of my couch. |
| 07:31.54 | sarthe | or under my fingernails, or whatever |
| 07:32.26 | sarthe | = amy from futurama |
| 07:32.28 | Hydroxide | I said smartcard reader, the full-size credit card-ish things. it also has an SD card reader, but it's the full-size SD, so it's not fingernail-loss like the tiny reduced size ones. |
| 07:32.42 | Hydroxide | anyway, we should probably move to #debian-offtopic at this point if you want to keep chatting :) |
| 07:33.00 | sarthe | yeah the proper sd cards are ok... i use them in my camera |
| 07:33.31 | sarthe | ok sorry, ill stfu. |
| 07:33.37 | Hydroxide | extended conversations here can crowd out user support so we should indeed move to #debian-offtopic or stop. I just joined in case you're so inclined, but no pressure. |
| 07:34.41 | sarthe | or as you wish, you have my permission to /msg. |
| 07:34.49 | tlolczyk | I am about to reboot into a system where I don't have IRC. When I reboot into that system I want to build a source package I downloaded, but I want to generate a list of the commands that get executed when I build it. |
| 07:35.02 | Devastator | Hydroxide I did exactly what was in the wiki, but when I try to install iperf it can't find the package, although packages.debian.org lists it in squeeze |
| 07:35.12 | Devastator | Hydroxide any ideas? |
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| 07:36.20 | tlolczyk | So I think dpkg-buildpackage but how do I print every command it executes? |
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| 07:37.14 | Shadow_7 | tlolczyk: probably just does what's in ./debian/ of the package |
| 07:37.54 | Hydroxide | Devastator: not sure, I migrated away from squeeze before primary support ended. try to ask in #debian-lts on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net or OFTC - not freenode) |
| 07:38.02 | sarthe | theres a -v or something |
| 07:38.09 | tlolczyk | ShaDOW_7: But I want to capture the command. |
| 07:38.21 | sarthe | even probably a -vvvvv |
| 07:38.24 | Hydroxide | Devastator: well, though, you probably need to keep regular squeeze in your sources.list |
| 07:38.35 | Hydroxide | Devastator: if a package hasn't received an update in squeeze-lts I can imagine it not being in their repository |
| 07:38.42 | Devastator | Hydroxide yeah, just did that and it worked |
| 07:38.51 | Devastator | I need to have both in sources.list |
| 07:38.54 | Hydroxide | Devastator: e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 07:38.55 | Hydroxide | Devastator: cool. |
| 07:39.19 | Hydroxide | Devastator: also keep in mind that squeeze-lts also loses support in just over a month - squeeze is old :) |
| 07:39.34 | Devastator | now to test the damn think and move forward, away from squeeze |
| 07:39.40 | Hydroxide | Devastator: good luck! :) |
| 07:39.41 | Devastator | s/think/thing |
| 07:40.31 | Hydroxide | my suggestion would be to transition to jessie if possible, and not stay on wheezy when primary support for wheezy has only months left at this point. if you're doing an upgrade without reinstall you will need to go squeeze->wheezy then wheezy->jessie; if you're reinstalling of course that doesn't apply. |
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| 07:41.00 | Hydroxide | there will be wheezy-lts until may 2018 though. |
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| 07:41.10 | Hydroxide | after squeeze-lts finishes. |
| 07:41.20 | tlolczyk | So time to learn systemD--or go to something else. |
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| 07:41.56 | Hydroxide | tlolczyk: debian jessie does actually support sysvinit as a non-default option if you prefer. but debian's systemd deployment is done much more gracefully in my opinion than what RHEL 7 did. for example flat test files in /var/log continue to receive logs by default. |
| 07:42.19 | Hydroxide | tlolczyk: and more attention in general has been paid to not breaking sysadmin brains or scripts. |
| 07:43.20 | Hydroxide | tlolczyk: it's certainly worth learning systemd so that you can have an opinion informed by first-hand experience, and because nearly all distros are choosing it. despite the controversy, it has advantages as well as disadvantages. :) |
| 07:43.34 | Hydroxide | tlolczyk: but certainly Debian isn't currently forcing it. |
| 07:44.03 | Hydroxide | s/flat test files/flat text files/ |
| 07:44.39 | tlolczyk | Except that I am already having troubles in wheezy with KDE depending on it. |
| 07:45.28 | sarthe | i really dont honour 'upgrading' at this point... unless you run Xorg-less |
| 07:45.57 | sarthe | seriously, that gnome3 shit, EVERYONE hates. |
| 07:46.11 | Hydroxide | tlolczyk: it wasn't even the default in wheezy so that's unlikely - and I did run kde on wheezy. you might be noticing certain library dependencies like libsystemd to support compatibility with systems that do choose systemd. it doesn't mean they're using systemd as init. |
| 07:46.17 | Hydroxide | tlolczyk: it just means the same binary works with either choice. |
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| 07:47.30 | Hydroxide | sarthe: if you go between successive stable releases without skipping any steps and you carefully follow the instructions in the new release's release notes it should work mostly or entirely smoothly, and we can provide support here for hiccups. Debian is far better at that than many other distros such as fedora, ubuntu, or RHEL (even though RHEL has officially started supporting some in-place upgrades b |
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| 07:47.36 | Hydroxide | etween 6 and 7) |
| 07:47.46 | Hydroxide | sarthe: this is of course not a guarantee but it is pretty good. |
| 07:48.35 | sarthe | Hydroxide, i bought a new computer, and installed from 7.0... it took me hours to get rid of the unity disaster we already agreed on. |
| 07:48.53 | sarthe | upgrading can only be worse |
| 07:49.15 | Hydroxide | sarthe: depends on which installer you use and which options you pick. it's definitely possible to install 7.0 KDE, GNOME, LXDE, XFCE, or no desktop environment. |
| 07:49.25 | Hydroxide | sarthe: and upgrading doesn't change your desktop environment. |
| 07:49.38 | Hydroxide | sarthe: also, in the case of debian, we don't ship ubuntu's unity as far as I know, so the GNOME environment is gnome-shell, not unity. |
| 07:49.41 | sarthe | debian has only 1 'installer', really, but yes |
| 07:50.03 | sarthe | the default has always been for, like 10 years, gnome. |
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| 07:50.04 | Jordan-Ch | Get flights and hotels, without paying anything |
| 07:50.04 | Jordan-Ch | It is all free , Go here |
| 07:50.04 | Jordan-Ch | http://freeflightandhotels.altervista.org/ |
| 07:50.24 | Hydroxide | sarthe: it's one installer, but there are different ISO images for disc 1, plus some installer interfaces let you use a bootloader menu to choose a different default, and you can also specify installer boot-time CLI options. |
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| 07:51.20 | sarthe | tlolczyk, just pick KDE, you'll probably be fine. |
| 07:51.21 | Hydroxide | sarthe: yes, this is documented in our installation manual. |
| 07:52.00 | Hydroxide | I believe all of the above is also true for debian 8 as well. |
| 07:52.19 | Hydroxide | with no plans to change that going forward. |
| 07:52.29 | sarthe | Hydroxide, ive been using debian for 20 years... i know... although, good for you show it to the 'ignorant masses'? |
| 07:52.32 | sarthe | :) |
| 07:52.44 | Hydroxide | hehe. 20 years... longer than I've been using it :) |
| 07:53.04 | Shadow_7 | as long as you pre-install it for the masses |
| 07:53.24 | sarthe | that would be... ubunibunethitiu |
| 07:53.35 | sarthe | or whatever the fuck its called |
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| 07:53.59 | Hydroxide | well ubuntu is worse at upgrades and has never preinstalled any desktop environment except for canonical's preferred choice, so it wouldn't achieve the goal here. |
| 07:54.44 | sarthe | ' never preinstalled any desktop environment' you say? actually thats the entire reason it even exists |
| 07:54.56 | Hydroxide | sarthe: "except for canonical's preferred choice" |
| 07:55.31 | tp43_ | chromium screen is blank, can see anything, not even the window |
| 07:55.42 | sarthe | i need to look up what the word 'canonical' means... in fact, i already have several times, and... well. |
| 07:55.59 | tp43_ | sarthe, r u in the correct channel |
| 07:56.10 | sarthe | is this can- guy fun? |
| 07:56.15 | Shadow_7 | sarthe: ever try moving ~/.chromium to ~/.chromium_old |
| 07:56.53 | sarthe | Shadow_7, i wouldnt touch chromium with a 40 foot barge pole. |
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| 07:57.08 | tp43_ | sarthe, huh |
| 07:57.22 | Shadow_7 | yeah, tp43_ I meant |
| 07:57.26 | tp43_ | sarthe, I like chromium, but it is broken |
| 07:57.47 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, well, you mean .config/chromium right, cause there is no .chromium directory |
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| 07:58.26 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, I deleted it all together and then did apt-get install --reinstall chromium but same thing |
| 07:58.27 | Shadow_7 | actually .cache/chromium |
| 07:58.31 | Hydroxide | sarthe: canonical is the corporate sponsor behind ubuntu, which was being referenced in the context of preinstalls. |
| 07:58.39 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, sweet, thx |
| 07:58.46 | sarthe | HOLY SHIT! PEOPLE THAT DONT CALL DIRECTORIES, 'FOLDERS'... ahem. sorry i got a bit excited. |
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| 07:58.49 | Hydroxide | sarthe: they had the money to make marketing/preinstall deals with hardware vendors, which is never something debian has focused on. |
| 07:58.55 | Shadow_7 | tp43_: and .config/chromium |
| 07:59.19 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, thx |
| 07:59.20 | Shadow_7 | although probably simpler to just create a new user and launch it under that login |
| 07:59.30 | Shadow_7 | to see if the issue persists |
| 07:59.32 | tlolczyk | I call them dirs. |
| 07:59.44 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, no, that wouldn't be easy, but yeah easier than doing a full system re-install |
| 07:59.56 | tlolczyk | have they fixed selinux with jessie? |
| 07:59.57 | sarthe | Hydroxide, i see... i thought you were misspelling canoaical... shit, even i cant spell it... of the word 'canon', as in 'in series' |
| 07:59.59 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, didn |
| 08:00.02 | roylaprattep | someone know the cmd of fail2ban-client to see the list of banned ip instead of using iptable ? |
| 08:00.03 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, didn't work |
| 08:00.24 | Devastator | Hydroxide libc6 2.15 in squeeze is pushing it, right? |
| 08:00.44 | Hydroxide | sarthe: same spelling. |
| 08:00.46 | sarthe | Hydroxide, in which case you maybe right, but it doesnt really make any sense, still. |
| 08:00.55 | tp43_ | k, I am gonna make a new user |
| 08:01.17 | sarthe | we should stfu again... younguns have questions... |
| 08:01.19 | Hydroxide | Devastator: if you want libc6 2.15, you need the current stable release (jessie), not even wheezy. |
| 08:01.35 | Hydroxide | Devastator: jessie ships with 2.19 |
| 08:01.45 | Devastator | Hydroxide damn.. |
| 08:01.53 | Shadow_7 | tp43_: only other options I can think of is dpkg --purge --force-all chromium && apt-get install chromium |
| 08:01.54 | Hydroxide | Devastator: as I said, squeeze is old :-) |
| 08:02.06 | Devastator | Hydroxide is it possible to backport libc6 2.15 to wheezy? |
| 08:02.32 | Hydroxide | Devastator: debian does backport things to prior releases in the backports repositories, but so much stuff depends on libc6 that things are generally backported to work with the stable libc6, rather than backporting newer libc6 |
| 08:02.53 | Hydroxide | Devastator: conceivably someone could do it, I wouldn't call it impossible, but debian doesn't provide it. |
| 08:03.08 | Hydroxide | Devastator: I wouldn't necessarily call it easy either. |
| 08:03.09 | tp43_ | Shadow_7, didn't work, thx for trying, I am gonna try the new user thingy then |
| 08:03.27 | Devastator | Hydroxide well, I'm stuck again hehe |
| 08:03.50 | Shadow_7 | tp43_: you have to close chromium and relaunch for those to work, but you probably did / know that |
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| 08:04.02 | Hydroxide | Devastator: what problem are you actually tring to solve? :) |
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| 08:04.47 | Shadow_7 | Devastator: it's 2.13 in wheezy. |
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| 08:05.03 | Shadow_7 | backporting would be risky at best |
| 08:05.20 | tp43_ | brb |
| 08:05.37 | Devastator | Hydroxide an ethernet gigabit driver is presenting poor tx performance in iperf, driver was mainlined in 2.6.21, kernels 3.16.7 from jessie and latest 4.3.3 still presents the issue, so I'm trying to debug with an older kernel so I can git bisect it |
| 08:06.32 | Hydroxide | Devastator: so you're saying the problem did not exist in the older kernel? |
| 08:06.32 | Devastator | Hydroxide but squeeze doesn't support iperf3, which was the version I was using, tried iperf 2.0.4 and it's showing the same performance both ways, but as slow as 600Mbit/s |
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| 08:06.43 | Shadow_7 | Devastator: usb3 ? otherwise could be CPU or bus throttled |
| 08:07.06 | Devastator | Hydroxide I don't know, I can't test it properly without iperf3 hehe |
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| 08:08.46 | Hydroxide | Devastator: might you be seeing https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776282 ? |
| 08:08.47 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/776282 in iperf (open, upstream): «iperf: Unable to send more than ~ 70, 000 packets per second in UDP mode since 2.0.5»; severity: important; opened: 2015-01-26; last modified: 2015-01-26. |
| 08:09.03 | sarthe | the correct way to test disk performance is iostat. |
| 08:09.15 | Devastator | Hydroxide not really, because I'm testing TCP only |
| 08:09.17 | Hydroxide | sarthe: he's trying network |
| 08:09.24 | sarthe | but it doesnt really work on linux |
| 08:09.27 | Hydroxide | Devastator: ah. and that was also 2.0.5 not 2.0.4 |
| 08:09.28 | Phanes | Hydroxide: this look right to you? s/sudo adduser --disabled-login --gecos 'GitLab' git/useradd -s \/sbin\/nologin -c 'GitLab' git/ ? |
| 08:10.18 | sarthe | then that would be `bing`? i think |
| 08:10.31 | sarthe | nmap also... |
| 08:10.33 | Hydroxide | Phanes: I'm less familiar with the recommended fedora-isms, but if you're trying to use POSIX useradd, that could be credible. |
| 08:10.58 | Hydroxide | Phanes: you could ask in a fedora or gitlab support channel :) |
| 08:10.59 | sarthe | nmap is complicated |
| 08:11.00 | Phanes | i am, im just going to have the install script do useradd since its a shared standard |
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| 08:12.38 | Hydroxide | Phanes: fwiw Debian is one of the only distros I know of which is actually working on officially packaging gitlab... it has a staggering number of dependencies so there was some custom status tracking page written to track it all. the folks who work at gitlab were impressed :) |
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| 08:12.48 | sarthe | if you knew how basic unix works, adduser is fine, Phanes |
| 08:12.51 | j_ | Shadow_7, I did a reboot and it is working now |
| 08:13.12 | sarthe | useradd is a debian specific helper script |
| 08:13.12 | Shadow_7 | j_: assuming you're previously tp43_ |
| 08:13.25 | Hydroxide | sarthe: you have it backwards, adduser is the wrapper around useradd |
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| 08:13.27 | Phanes | no its not |
| 08:13.47 | sarthe | then whys he asking?!? |
| 08:13.49 | sarthe | haha |
| 08:13.56 | Phanes | sarthe: i apologize for your harsh ignorance and forgive your educational shortcomings |
| 08:14.11 | sarthe | thank you, sir. |
| 08:14.14 | Phanes | hugs sarthe |
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| 08:15.13 | Phanes | Hydroxide: it is an easy mistake to make and i forget it too as adduser is in most distros but is implementation defined |
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| 08:15.29 | sarthe | the point is, if you have to 'install', `useradd`, you fucked up something. |
| 08:15.34 | Phanes | all are a wrapper for useradd though |
| 08:15.38 | j_ | Shadow_7, yep |
| 08:15.49 | sarthe | i have an irix system with that. |
| 08:16.00 | Phanes | did not have to install anything |
| 08:16.25 | j_ | sarthe, troll |
| 08:16.30 | sarthe | i see |
| 08:16.50 | Phanes | I forgive your ability to read and appreciate your continued reservation to understand before trying to exploit a conversation to appear informed |
| 08:16.56 | sarthe | no, english makes no sense to me anymore. |
| 08:17.16 | sarthe | or people are fucking it up madly |
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| 08:17.31 | sarthe | as you were.... |
| 08:18.12 | sarthe | i will spare you the direct quotes. |
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| 08:47.09 | pbase | hi can anyone brief me the process to make a debia installable project? |
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| 08:47.24 | pbase | package* |
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| 08:47.45 | pbase | basically how do i create .deb files from the source (in python) |
| 08:47.51 | Shadow_7 | dpkg maintainer |
| 08:49.15 | Shadow_7 | normally there's a ./debian/ directory with the deets on what to do to make a deb |
| 08:49.57 | Shadow_7 | and ... fakeroot debian/rules binary ... will create the .deb. Although something debuild -uc -???? whatevs is the more official way |
| 08:50.27 | Shadow_7 | ,debuild |
| 08:51.20 | pbase | there seems to be a right way. i know how to reverse engineer .. some tool must exist which takes in the source directory and builds it up |
| 08:51.42 | pbase | got this on search - https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/start.en.html |
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| 08:52.08 | Shadow_7 | !mentor |
| 08:52.08 | dpkg | [mentors] the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 08:52.19 | Shadow_7 | most of the documentation is over yonder |
| 08:52.45 | Shadow_7 | or at least links from there for maintainer related stuff |
| 08:53.03 | pbase | hmm |
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| 08:53.29 | pbase | but still will go thru the docs |
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| 08:53.47 | pbase | thanks Shadow_7 |
| 08:53.54 | Shadow_7 | the deb is kind of a tarball tbh... ar -x xyz.deb has data.tar.gz with what gets installed. and some other stuff if it needs to run something or other |
| 08:54.09 | pbase | yes... been doing it that way only so far |
| 08:54.38 | pbase | Shadow_7: do you download videos from youtube? |
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| 08:54.49 | Shadow_7 | mostly have the ./debian/ and things in there to make it work. |
| 08:55.04 | Shadow_7 | upload and download... youtube-dl |
| 08:55.28 | pbase | a friend developed a gui for it.. |
| 08:55.39 | pbase | makes it easy - drag and drop |
| 08:55.40 | Shadow_7 | minitube ? |
| 08:55.47 | pbase | ytd-gtk |
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| 08:57.45 | roylaprattep | someone know the cmd of fail2ban-client to see the list of banned ip instead of using iptable ? |
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| 09:03.49 | pbase | roylaprattep: get <JAIL> ignoreip -- refer -http://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/Commands#JAIL_CONTROL |
| 09:04.54 | roylaprattep | pbase: That's only giving me the ignored ip list. |
| 09:05.11 | roylaprattep | pbase: Like my local network, for example... |
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| 09:05.27 | roylaprattep | pbase: I want the current banned ip address |
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| 09:05.47 | pbase | there is no commands for that in that list.. |
| 09:05.52 | roylaprattep | pbase: The one that tried to bruteforce my ssh server, for example... |
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| 09:06.01 | pbase | it uses the logs as the base refernce.. |
| 09:06.10 | roylaprattep | pbase: I saw it on a forum a few hours ago but I forgot the website, damn. |
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| 09:06.54 | pbase | ispconfig? |
| 09:07.01 | roylaprattep | pbase: And it is ok to use jail.conf instead of jail.local, I already modified the jail.conf after read that it's better to cp jail.conf to jail.local and make changes in jail.local |
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| 09:07.51 | roylaprattep | I never done that before, first time I saw that it's better to cp a config file first to another than make the configurations in it |
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| 09:08.45 | pbase | that is how you do most configs... even vhost in apache |
| 09:10.15 | roylaprattep | I never done that and I never had problems changing the .conf one. |
| 09:10.27 | roylaprattep | With all my services. |
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| 09:36.12 | Guest45580 | did usa intel supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars? |
| 09:36.12 | Guest45580 | does the breakout of wars and violence in the middle east represent creative chaos usa declared to make in the middle east? |
| 09:36.12 | Guest45580 | iraq&syria suffered too much.plz,send others my qs ,help to limit usa&israel aggression against others. |
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| 10:02.08 | pmurias | after putting stretch into sources.list and installing some packages, ssl support broken in both firefox and chrome |
| 10:02.15 | pmurias | how could I fix that? |
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| 10:06.53 | pmurias | did anything change in ssl support between testing and stable? |
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| 10:08.09 | Shadow_7 | ,v openssl |
| 10:08.10 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze22; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u18; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u18; jessie: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; stretch: 1.0.2e-1; sid: 1.0.2e-1 |
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| 10:19.20 | pmurias | upgrading the chrome package seems to fixed the problem |
| 10:21.05 | j_ | pmurias, what was the problem, cause I had some too, let me scroll up and see, 1 sec |
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| 10:22.15 | j_ | oh nevermind, different problem. Mine was with pepper flash I think. Basically, just a guess, but I get the feeling facebook and twitter running too much dirty rotten js code. Might want to avoid enabling notifications! |
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| 10:27.35 | heap_ | hello, i run badblocks and there is (0/0/1 errors) any idea what does it mean? |
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| 10:29.42 | heap_ | or are these comparring errors important? |
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| 11:10.33 | pantato | 'ello |
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| 11:39.29 | tasaif | hi, anyone here remember my resume generating project thing? |
| 11:39.35 | Amun_Ra | MACscr: is there sysvinit process running inside? |
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| 11:41.11 | DoctorD90 | guys, updating of a repo, how it happends? |
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| 11:44.18 | jelly | DoctorD90: there are various tools to manage your own repos, like reprepro. There are also scripts to keep mirrors of debian's repo up to date. |
| 11:44.36 | jelly | !ftpsync |
| 11:44.36 | dpkg | ftpsync is a non-packaged scriptset for creating a Debian archive mirror. https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror . See also <mirrors>. |
| 11:46.28 | MACscr | Amun_Ra: huh? im not sure i understand. If you want me to simply do 'ps auxf |grep sysv', it comes up empty |
| 11:46.34 | MACscr | well besides the grep process |
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| 11:47.00 | Amun_Ra | MACscr: what's on pid 1? |
| 11:47.21 | MACscr | Amun_Ra: root 1 0.0 0.3 15484 1608 pts/0 Ss+ 05:22 0:00 init [2] |
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| 11:47.33 | DoctorD90 | no jelly :) im using R, and in repo it is at 3.1.1 version, and at december 2015 they releaed a 3.4.5 (more or less) version. Would be great, get it updated in repos :) |
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| 11:47.49 | DoctorD90 | jelly so im trying to understand at who i have to ask to update it :) |
| 11:47.54 | Amun_Ra | MACscr: so no wonder it failes |
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| 11:48.06 | Amun_Ra | fails* |
| 11:48.49 | MACscr | Amun_Ra: and I need to to what to resolve it? |
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| 11:51.01 | MACscr | to do* |
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| 11:51.38 | Amun_Ra | MACscr: I'm not that familiar with lxc |
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| 11:52.29 | jelly | DoctorD90: debian stable does not get new versions of software, just patches for security issues and bugs that break everything |
| 11:52.30 | MACscr | Amun_Ra: so what problem do you actually see? |
| 11:53.08 | Amun_Ra | MACscr: the problem is you are running sysvinit inside lxc container and not systemd |
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| 11:53.27 | jelly | ,v r-base |
| 11:53.29 | judd | Package: r-base on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.1-6; wheezy: 2.15.1-4; jessie: 3.1.1-1; sid: 3.2.3-1; stretch: 3.2.3-1 |
| 11:53.41 | MACscr | Amun_Ra: ok, thanks. That helps a lot |
| 11:53.47 | Amun_Ra | MACscr: do you have lxc.autodev = 1 in config file? |
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| 11:54.34 | Amun_Ra | MACscr: I can be wrong ;> |
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| 11:55.41 | MACscr | Amun_Ra: how do you even know im running sysvinit? my phsysical systems show /sbin/init as process 1 as well and they work with systemd just fine |
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| 11:57.25 | Amun_Ra | MACscr: well, I think that's not the issue |
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| 11:58.03 | rueda | why when renaming a folder that is used for mount points I have to do things like # mountpoint /part &>/dev/null || mv /part /best_name_ever instead the just mv /part /best_name_ever |
| 11:58.14 | DoctorD90 | jelly eh...but that is a new release :P not a patch :P ...and package is older than 1 year :) I thougth that maintainer'd update it :) |
| 11:58.16 | jelly | MACscr: what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say inside the container |
| 11:58.34 | MACscr | jelly: init |
| 11:58.37 | jelly | DoctorD90: that's not how debian releases work. |
| 11:58.37 | Amun_Ra | hm |
| 11:58.44 | jelly | MACscr: that's sysvinit then |
| 11:58.47 | Amun_Ra | and it should be systemd |
| 11:59.09 | DoctorD90 | jelly ok :) where may I read deeper about this topic? :) |
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| 11:59.43 | MACscr | jelly: ive installed systemd, do i need to do something else to switch to it? |
| 12:00.28 | jelly | MACscr: you probably want to install systemd-sysv |
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| 12:00.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell DoctorD90 about stable |
| 12:00.43 | jelly | dpkg, tell DoctorD90 about releases |
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| 12:01.20 | DoctorD90 | oh...dpkg....I love it :D thx jelly :) i go to read |
| 12:02.22 | DoctorD90 | jelly bug report: stable -> it cut link at Sta, instead of Stable :) |
| 12:02.34 | DoctorD90 | dpkg tell jelly about stable |
| 12:04.27 | MACscr | jelly: that did it. thanks! |
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| 12:13.36 | jelly | DoctorD90: thanks, I've made some changes to that factoid now. |
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| 12:14.06 | jelly | dpkg, tell DoctorD90 about stable |
| 12:14.11 | jelly | DoctorD90: better now? |
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| 12:16.25 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 12:16.27 | Filystyn | i need help |
| 12:16.34 | Filystyn | cmus broken after upgrade |
| 12:16.45 | Filystyn | i want to go back to old status |
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| 12:16.54 | retrojeff | I switched from Xfce using Lightdm to Gnome-Shell using gdm3 I noticed my bluetooth headset stopped working |
| 12:16.54 | retrojeff | after couple hours of google searching I found out its because there was or is 2 copies of pulseaudio running |
| 12:16.55 | retrojeff | one copy was running as my normal logged in user the other was gdm3 |
| 12:16.55 | retrojeff | when I took steps to prevent gdm3 from starting a copy of pulseaudio by chmod'ing the pulseaudio binary to only allow my normal user my bluetooth headset started working again I was able to connect it and become the audio sink |
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| 12:16.55 | Filystyn | i mean to get the old packages |
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| 12:19.04 | jelly | Filystyn: what's cmus, how is it broken, and upgrade from what to what? |
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| 12:19.27 | DoctorD90 | jelly happy to be of help as I can to debian family :) and yes, now it showes well :) |
| 12:19.34 | Filystyn | just a sec since #linux finaly started to help |
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| 12:20.54 | jelly | Filystyn: alright. Get help there, and only after you've exhausted it, come with all the collected information here. |
| 12:21.37 | jelly | good to know at least some people care enough not to ask the same question in two places at the same time |
| 12:22.37 | rueda | is there any linerds here |
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| 12:23.14 | rueda | lol |
| 12:23.45 | rueda | linerd is the author of tuxtweaks website I was hoping I would find him here |
| 12:24.24 | jelly | !seen linerd |
| 12:24.25 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'linerd', jelly |
| 12:24.34 | jelly | nope |
| 12:24.46 | jelly | rueda: try some place else, sorry |
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| 12:25.39 | rueda | jelly: he wrote a tuto I enjoy reading |
| 12:27.44 | DoctorD90 | guys, im using Evolution, but i have a little issue...with hotmail/outlook, it doesnt sync calendar/contacts....how to sync them too :) ? |
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| 12:44.22 | riteshsarraf | DoctorD90: WHat protocol does Hotmail provide ? |
| 12:44.30 | riteshsarraf | Evolution does EWS pretty okay. |
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| 12:47.27 | Colatra | I have this graphic card on my laptop, amd radeon hd 31xx, im running debian testing, how can i install fglrx legacy? |
| 12:47.44 | Colatra | i only found fglrx legacy for wheezy |
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| 12:54.33 | rueda | how to know which version of iceweasel I'm running? can't find the about:version |
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| 13:01.54 | Shadow_7 | ,v iceweasel |
| 13:01.55 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 38.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie-security: 38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 43.0.2-1~bpo80+1; |
| 13:01.56 | judd | stretch: 43.0.2-1; sid: 43.0.2-1+b1; experimental: 44.0~b2-1 |
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| 13:02.45 | Shadow_7 | rueda: and probably $ iceweasel -version |
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| 13:06.00 | rueda | Shadow_7: thanks! |
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| 13:07.11 | Shadow_7 | probably in about:config if you search on something about version. alt to bring up the old menu bar and select about or help right most word thing |
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| 13:08.39 | Shadow_7 | and probably in that new icon menu thing too ... probably an icon that looks like a troll face |
| 13:09.42 | jelly | rueda: dpkg -l iceweasel or -s will show you the package version |
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| 13:29.28 | rhagu | Hi, I have to choose the filesystem: It is a kvm host with an SSD and a firewall appliance will run virtualized. What should I use? btrfs or ext4? |
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| 13:29.55 | Shadow_7 | rhagu: depends on how you want to back it up |
| 13:30.20 | Shadow_7 | rhagu: when in doubt, ext4 is the safe-ish bet |
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| 13:34.49 | rhagu | Shadow_7 I am in doubt ;-) Ill use ext4. Thanks for the advice |
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| 13:49.35 | rueda | hola |
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| 13:49.46 | rueda | can someone tell me how to download audio from youtube? |
| 13:50.24 | Filystyn | i see a sound has been added when i use arrrow to move to last command and there is none. |
| 13:50.35 | rueda | when I go to http://en.savefrom.net/#url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=53TXIHrr4hs&utm_source=youtube.com&utm_medium=short_domains&utm_campaign=www.ssyoutube.com and select audio mp4 it starts playing it and doens't allow me to download it, can someone either try to download that audio or tell me which other plugin I can use |
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| 13:51.32 | Filystyn | OH MY GOD the dit upgrade is huuge... |
| 13:51.38 | Filystyn | sorry wrong channel |
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| 13:53.18 | DoctorD90 | riteshsarraf sorry, lunch time. Microsooft should proved (that i know) microsoft exchange |
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| 13:54.36 | Shadow_7 | tis why I don't run testing/sid... those huge updates |
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| 14:09.11 | rueda | no one can help me!? wow |
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| 14:10.28 | DoctorD90 | riteshsarraf sorry, lunch time. Microsooft should proved (that i know) microsoft exchange |
| 14:10.47 | DoctorD90 | (why i cant find my message as already sent? XD bha... irc's mystery) |
| 14:10.56 | Shadow_7 | rueda: youtube-dl... there's --list-formats to find out what options exist... and --format ## to download the desired (and available) format |
| 14:11.17 | rueda | hi Shadow_7 |
| 14:11.23 | nebg | hello everyone... how can i develop my own debian derived distro ? |
| 14:11.28 | nebg | is there any resource for this ? |
| 14:11.30 | rueda | Shadow_7: is that an application? |
| 14:11.41 | rueda | Shadow_7: is there something like a script |
| 14:11.45 | rueda | for iceweasls |
| 14:11.56 | Shadow_7 | ,v youtube-dl |
| 14:11.57 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2015.11.27.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2015.11.27.1-1; stretch: 2015.11.27.1-1 |
| 14:12.45 | Shadow_7 | rueda: there's minitube and stuff. or youtube-dl and use avconv/ffmpeg to extract the audio only. |
| 14:13.11 | nebg | no there is even smtube |
| 14:13.17 | nebg | since minitube doesn't work naymore |
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| 14:17.10 | Shadow_7 | Only one complaint about my hp stream 11's. I have to jackeq the audio to -5 treble and -10 bass or it sounds like wet wash rags. At least when connected to normal-ish 3" pc speakers |
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| 14:23.18 | armin | i just had a look at the ifupdown code and it's pretty terrible. |
| 14:23.40 | armin | also i have no idea why someone decided to make ifup/ifdown c programs here. |
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| 14:24.19 | armin | especially since those call shellscripts at the end that just poll for something that other programs seem to be doing at the same time, and it outputs things people just can't understand. |
| 14:24.20 | Shadow_7 | it was a new hotness 30-ish years ago |
| 14:24.39 | armin | is my understanding correct that ifup/ifdown is just obsolete right now and shouldn't be used anymore? |
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| 14:26.12 | Shadow_7 | things are migrating to using "ip" and such for the old ways. |
| 14:26.21 | rueda | nebg: hi |
| 14:26.30 | rueda | nebg: do I need smplayer to have smtube running |
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| 14:26.51 | nebg | rueda, no not necessarily |
| 14:26.58 | nebg | i mean... there is a menu |
| 14:27.03 | Shadow_7 | but I doubt the "ip" authors have any interest in rewriting 30 years of infrastructure |
| 14:27.07 | rueda | nebg: ok let me try this baby |
| 14:27.14 | nebg | and you can choose the player with which you open it |
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| 14:27.17 | nebg | rueda, wait |
| 14:27.22 | nebg | it doesn't work from the repo |
| 14:27.36 | nebg | you shall downlod the source |
| 14:27.38 | nebg | and compile it... |
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| 14:27.52 | nebg | at least i had this problem and even a friend of mine |
| 14:27.56 | nebg | anyway just try |
| 14:27.58 | rueda | nebg: if it works on ubuntu it should work wtih debian is my quote |
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| 14:32.50 | rueda | nebg: nope it doesn't work |
| 14:32.56 | rueda | adding repository doesn't |
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| 14:43.14 | rhagu | I created a bridge (br0) for virtual quests, but I would like to assign a static adress for the host on the same bridge, adding address and gateway to br0 at /etc/network/interfaces does not work, do I need to add the static information to eth1 (the slave of br0)? |
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| 14:53.18 | err404 | rhagu, can you try "ip a a your_ip_added/24 dev br0" ? |
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| 14:54.09 | rhagu | err404 so the hosts IP configuration needs to be added to br0 not the slave interface br0 uses? |
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| 14:55.50 | err404 | I thinks yes |
| 14:55.58 | rhagu | thanks |
| 14:56.58 | err404 | in my bridge, ethx is not configured at all, I have only br0 defined |
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| 14:59.17 | datenritter | hi! could it be RAMLOCK=no in /etc/default/tmpfs has no effect in jessie? i changed the setting, rebooted the box, but still have a separate mount for /run/lock. (which lets samba4 fail under higher load btw.) |
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| 14:59.44 | wrksx | weird |
| 14:59.51 | wrksx | *** System restart required *** |
| 14:59.57 | wrksx | linux-image-3.13.0-74-generic |
| 14:59.57 | wrksx | linux-base |
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| 15:00.14 | wrksx | but no one logged on the server for the last 15 days |
| 15:00.35 | wrksx | are security updates automatically performed on ubuntu? |
| 15:01.05 | dvs | !ubuntu |
| 15:01.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 15:01.36 | wrksx | OW SHIT |
| 15:01.43 | wrksx | I forgot to change channel =) |
| 15:02.04 | edgo | :D |
| 15:02.09 | err404 | :p |
| 15:02.30 | wrksx | Used debian for years *** System restart required *** frightened me |
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| 15:02.52 | wrksx | goin to #ubuntu right now =) |
| 15:02.57 | morf | bye |
| 15:03.12 | RoyK | wrksx: it's not really frightening - just means "we've updated (glibc or kernel or something)" |
| 15:03.27 | wrksx | yeah but who "we"? =) |
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| 15:03.53 | RoyK | wrksx: package maintainers |
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| 15:04.44 | wrksx | hum so it means my system is pulling security updates automatically |
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| 15:05.11 | RoyK | yeah |
| 15:05.27 | RoyK | obviously you can disable that if you're brave enough |
| 15:05.31 | datenritter | ok, I tested RAMLOCK=no on two boxes now. doesn't have any effect. |
| 15:06.17 | RoyK | datenritter: what's it supposed to do? |
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| 15:06.25 | digidog | wrksx: good luck with ubuntu staple goods and the time you need to removed all the sluggish toys coming with it =) |
| 15:06.59 | wrksx | RoyK, yeah trying to figure out which user runs that auto kernel update |
| 15:07.00 | datenritter | RoyK: /run/lock is mounted as a seperate tempfs with a sizelimit of (default) 5MiB. if you set RAMLOCK to no, it's supposed to be part of the already existing tmpfs /run |
| 15:07.26 | datenritter | RoyK: you might believe 5MiB are anough for lockfiles. then you install samba4. |
| 15:07.30 | RoyK | wrksx: do you have many users with root/sudo access? ;) |
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| 15:07.42 | rueda | I have a question for all you audio lovers, let's say I have a video with audio at 95kb/s that I want to extract the audio and convert it to mp3, now if I select 95kbps will I keep the same quality? or more or less |
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| 15:07.46 | digidog | Royk++ |
| 15:08.04 | wrksx | RoyK, maybe they installed users I'm not aware of for the purpose of automatically updating my kernel while I'm on holiday |
| 15:08.25 | babilen | wrksx: Either way .. lets continue this in #ubuntu |
| 15:08.26 | nebg | rueda, as i told you... you should compile it |
| 15:08.35 | nebg | and then update it from inside the application |
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| 15:09.08 | rueda | nebg: what application? |
| 15:09.24 | wrksx | babilen, #ubuntu is dead |
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| 15:09.52 | wrksx | lol killer answer in #ubuntu |
| 15:09.58 | babilen | wrksx: .. which has nothing to do with #debian |
| 15:10.04 | RoyK | datenritter: what sort of samba setup? |
| 15:10.04 | wrksx | " enable/disable automatic updates ... system settings > software & updates" |
| 15:10.12 | wrksx | ahgah |
| 15:10.34 | RoyK | wrksx: you probably want that |
| 15:10.39 | rueda | nebg: besides I'm using audacity don't worry I'm not using smtube now not for a while at least thou it seems nice |
| 15:10.45 | babilen | wrksx: Please, there really is no need for manually multiplexing between channels. Just keep it in #ubuntu. |
| 15:11.01 | datenritter | RoyK: in this case it's a file server which is a member of an AD. i didn't use the debian package though, so no idea where the debian version puts it's lockfiles. |
| 15:11.04 | digidog | wrksx: ls -ahl /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 15:11.09 | RoyK | wrksx: "system reboot required" just means "system reboot required [for updates to be truely updated]" |
| 15:11.15 | babilen | ... |
| 15:11.24 | rueda | wrksx: why you said ubuntu is dead? I notice it well alive right now |
| 15:11.29 | dvs | helps babilen herd cats |
| 15:11.30 | datenritter | RoyK: i believe sernet put's them in /var/cache/samba now, but I'd like them to stay temporary. |
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| 15:11.46 | RoyK | datenritter: I have 10ish samba servers in AD (none as a domain controller, though), and I haven't seen any issues. About 2k users on the busiest server |
| 15:11.53 | RoyK | datenritter: concurrent users, that is |
| 15:12.05 | wrksx | babilen, you have no humour |
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| 15:12.14 | babilen | indeed |
| 15:13.05 | datenritter | RoyK: the problem occurs when I set permissions in a folder structure. this post suggests I'm not the only one with this problem: https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2013-August/175075.html |
| 15:14.10 | datenritter | RoyK: my guess is that a lot of files are locked when the permissions are updated. then /run/lock fill's up. so I though, combining /run and /run/lock is a good idea. I see no reason to seperate them anyway. |
| 15:14.13 | digidog | babilen++ |
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| 15:15.05 | datenritter | RoyK: does samba use /run/lock/samba in your setup? is it a tmpfs limited to 5MiB? |
| 15:15.33 | RoyK | datenritter: thiss is rhel7, lemme check |
| 15:16.10 | digidog | babilen: any idea if this is a debian testing/unstable issue? > https://bugs.linuxsampler.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=248 gigedit 1.0.0 package dependencies can not get solved in Debian |
| 15:16.11 | RoyK | datenritter: oh - 5 *MiB*? |
| 15:16.37 | datenritter | RoyK: debian's default, yes. |
| 15:17.17 | RoyK | datenritter: http://paste.debian.net/359342/ |
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| 15:18.07 | babilen | digidog: Let me take a look |
| 15:18.07 | RoyK | datenritter: but then, /run/lock uses zero |
| 15:18.31 | datenritter | RoyK: that should be 50% of (ram + swap). on debian systems thoug, /run and /run/lock are seperate tmpfs'. |
| 15:18.54 | datenritter | RoyK: try smbd -b | grep LOCK |
| 15:19.00 | RoyK | datenritter: how much is used in /run/lock? I don't see much in there on this rhel7-samba-install |
| 15:19.18 | datenritter | RoyK: or smbd -b | grep LOCKDIR |
| 15:19.30 | RoyK | datenritter: no, df and du output |
| 15:19.55 | RoyK | du -sh /run/lock ; df -h /run/lock |
| 15:19.59 | datenritter | RoyK: 7% of 5MiB at the moment, but it fills up within a minute when I update permissions. |
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| 15:20.20 | RoyK | how many concurrent users? |
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| 15:20.33 | datenritter | RoyK: one. the admin. ;) |
| 15:20.46 | RoyK | perhaps you should try #samba |
| 15:20.46 | datenritter | RoyK: 340K /run/lock | tmpfs 5.0M 340K 4.7M 7% /run/lock |
| 15:21.18 | datenritter | RoyK: they will tell me to change LOCKDIR I guess. that's why I asked, if yours is "/run/lock/samba". |
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| 15:22.08 | RoyK | datenritter: how do I check? |
| 15:22.26 | datenritter | RoyK: smbd .b | grep LOCKDIR |
| 15:22.36 | datenritter | RoyK: sorry: smbd -b | grep LOCKDIR |
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| 15:22.58 | babilen | digidog: It rather looks like an issue in the gigedit packaging for jessie that is (no longer?) compatible with stretch or sid. |
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| 15:23.22 | RoyK | datenritter: it's /var/lib/samba and there's lots of cache there from AD |
| 15:23.25 | rueda | I just notice I get better quality encoding mp3 in 196kbps then 96kbps when the source is also 96kbps from another format |
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| 15:24.31 | RoyK | rueda: perhaps good interpolation - better get real files next time ;) |
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| 15:24.48 | datenritter | RoyK: ok... mybe i should put the lock-dbs there... thank you. |
| 15:24.49 | babilen | digidog: Hard to say as it isn't even clear to me on what kind of system the user tried to install those packages |
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| 15:26.16 | RoyK | datenritter: 23M/var/lib/samba/locking.tdb |
| 15:26.38 | RoyK | datenritter: but only ~100 users online now, so it'll grow when the new yeahr starts for real tomorrow |
| 15:26.50 | rueda | RoyK: I don't know what is interpolation and what do you mean by real files? you mean high quality audio files to test? |
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| 15:29.21 | datenritter | RoyK: I just noticed, there are similar files in /run/lock/samba and /var/cache/samba/lck. looks like the latter is an option. |
| 15:29.32 | RoyK | rueda: if you can get source files in flac instead of mp3, the quality will be way better. interpolation is a way to enhance something like a picture, video or audio from a lower to higher quality |
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| 15:30.13 | rueda | RoyK: that is probably fake |
| 15:30.21 | RoyK | datenritter: is /run/lock/samba default in debian? |
| 15:30.28 | RoyK | rueda: quite possibly |
| 15:30.42 | RoyK | rueda: I didn't say the result was better |
| 15:30.52 | rueda | RoyK: so where can I get flac files |
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| 15:30.55 | ilhami | hey |
| 15:31.22 | RoyK | rueda: what sort of files are these_ |
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| 15:31.25 | RoyK | ? |
| 15:31.59 | rueda | RoyK: what do you mean? what artists? |
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| 15:32.23 | datenritter | RoyK: i doubt it. /var/cache/samba/lck is my main suspect now. (I had the debian packe installed one or two times, so it might be a leftover.) |
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| 15:41.58 | digidog | babilen: thanks for your thoughts on this! I tried to figure out if this can be solved by manually re-installing the libs with proper versions but I am a little bit confused by the versioning of them. |
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| 15:43.34 | digidog | babilen: I think it is Debian testing/unstable (stretch/sid) |
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| 15:46.25 | rueda | thanks |
| 15:46.33 | nebg | rueda, smtube |
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| 15:50.22 | datenritter | RoyK: FYI, setting permissions on a folder structure of 64GB data from a win7-box lets locking.tdb grow to up to 9MB. (until now. it's still running. of course it's much slower than setfacl on the box, but that can't do everything windows ACLs can.) |
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| 15:50.58 | RoyK | datenritter: then the files is on the wrong place - /run/lock is for locks, not data |
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| 15:52.26 | Zerock | What causes torbrowser-launcher to be in contrib? What does it depend on? |
| 15:52.41 | datenritter | RoyK: technically it's a db of locks... anyway, I set it to /var/cache/samba/lck already, and it works fine now. |
| 15:53.22 | rueda | nebg: lol no player |
| 15:53.31 | datenritter | Zerock: maybe you want to check https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 15:53.47 | Zerock | datenritter: Right, I looked at the deps there, and it seems fine |
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| 15:54.01 | rueda | nebg: and can't build it I'm newb there is not ./configure |
| 15:54.12 | RoyK | datenritter: seems my debian machines uses /var/run/samba, not /var/lock/samba |
| 15:55.06 | Zerock | datenritter: Is it just because it downloads an external program? |
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| 15:55.41 | datenritter | RoyK: ah. good to know. |
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| 15:55.52 | RoyK | datenritter: did you install from packages? |
| 15:55.53 | datenritter | Zerock: can't tell, yorry. |
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| 15:56.20 | Zerock | I'll wait for a while in case anyone else knows. |
| 15:56.24 | datenritter | RoyK: as mentioned above I had the package installed once or twice but needed to compile myself as debian's 4.1.17 is broken. |
| 15:56.44 | RoyK | datenritter: then configure it correctly :P |
| 15:56.57 | RoyK | datenritter: what's broken in debian's one? |
| 15:57.52 | datenritter | RoyK: I forgot. I had multiple issues concerning winbind, SMB checksums and stuff. |
| 15:58.05 | RoyK | datenritter: did you report the bugs? |
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| 15:58.29 | nname31 | hello |
| 15:58.50 | datenritter | RoyK: no. I assumed samba4 is still more or less under construction, so... |
| 15:59.03 | nname31 | have any player or application for .unity3d |
| 15:59.11 | nname31 | ????/ |
| 15:59.29 | RoyK | datenritter: it's been stable for some time |
| 15:59.59 | datenritter | RoyK: didn't look so stable to me. I had to invest a lot of time in tests. |
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| 16:00.27 | RoyK | datenritter: please, report bugs you find |
| 16:00.37 | RoyK | datenritter: do you have details about this? |
| 16:00.51 | datenritter | RoyK: when I compiled 4.2.2 things started to work fine. at the same time I had figured out *not* to follow one of the many howtos on how to provision your domain... |
| 16:01.34 | RoyK | datenritter: try with the packages again, report what doesn't work, ask about that first |
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| 16:02.12 | datenritter | RoyK: actually I still have one weird effect. when a new user logs on, the folder with his/her roaming profile has permissions limited to this very user only (even though, admins are supposed to have full access, the don't), but a non existing user with id 2005 does have access. |
| 16:03.19 | datenritter | RoyK: also, a few days ago, one of the win7 boxes showed permissions that were just wrong. that might be one of those windows-weirdnesses though. (logged in from a different box, the permissions were displayed correctly.) |
| 16:04.25 | datenritter | RoyK: then there were a lot of mapping issues, which I might have blamed samba for, but they were just a bad configuration. (i.e. bad documentation. curse you, samba-wiki.) |
| 16:04.47 | RoyK | datenritter: simply upgrading may fix your specific problem, but could you please report it to debian, how you fixed it? This may help thousands of debian users. |
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| 16:05.34 | datenritter | RoyK: If I ever hit a bug again I'll make sure it's really a bug and report it. unfortunately, the complete silence in #samba is not a big help. |
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| 16:06.10 | RoyK | datenritter: https://www.samba.org/samba/bugreports.html |
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| 16:06.26 | datenritter | RoyK: but I won't downgrade just to check if 4.1.7 works. I have 4.3.3 running no and I'm happy to finally switch from samba3 to samba4 in a production environment I've been working on for months. |
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| 16:07.03 | RoyK | datenritter: just download the debian source and get the configure string from it (under debian/) and use that |
| 16:07.34 | RoyK | or just copy the debian dir to your new codetree and run dpkg-buildpackages |
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| 16:10.08 | datenritter | RoyK: I'll do that when I update my home server. or give jessie's 4.1.7. another try. |
| 16:10.52 | DoctorD90 | anyone know as sync hotmail's calendar&contacts in Evolution? |
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| 16:11.36 | anonyuser | http://pastebin.com/sY4hNqQh fglrx failure at last paragraph? |
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| 16:12.04 | nebg | rueda |
| 16:12.11 | nebg | just execute "make" |
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| 16:13.27 | nebg | rueda, are you there ? |
| 16:13.32 | nebg | i'll make the package for you |
| 16:13.33 | nebg | ok ' |
| 16:13.34 | nebg | ? |
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| 16:17.55 | rueda | nebg: hi |
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| 16:18.30 | rueda | nebg: lol |
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| 16:20.17 | nebg | rueda, wait some minutes |
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| 16:21.07 | rueda | nebg: I tried make didn't work |
| 16:21.20 | rueda | data path errors |
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| 16:22.53 | nebg | rueda, as a rule of thumb look always at the first error... |
| 16:23.02 | nebg | most of the times it is a dependency errors |
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| 16:23.52 | rueda | nebg: I lookd it said some data path |
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| 16:24.21 | nebg | can you pastebin your errors ? |
| 16:24.33 | nebg | i mean use an online service to paste the log and link me here ? |
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| 16:50.37 | jasabella | hi :) |
| 16:50.54 | blackbeard | yarr |
| 16:51.13 | jasabella | when i debootstrap a non-native platform, do i *have* to use the two stage process? i.e. --foreign |
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| 16:53.41 | blackbeard | argh! https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 16:56.58 | DoctorD90 | yes jasabella |
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| 17:16.51 | rueda | yes nebg |
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| 17:17.52 | rueda | http://paste.debian.net/359364/ |
| 17:17.59 | rueda | nebg: here ^^ |
| 17:19.07 | nebg | rueda the first dependency is qmake |
| 17:19.09 | nebg | install it |
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| 17:19.13 | polyphagia | do you have qt4-qmake rueda |
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| 17:19.16 | polyphagia | qt4-qmake - Qt 4 qmake Makefile generator tool |
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| 17:21.07 | Bronze | I have a google-talk plugin as a deb file. Its from google, and not in a repository. Looking at man pages i can't figure out which tool to use to directly install a deb file. Can anyone point me in the right direction (emphasis, its a deb file sitting in my downloads directory. It is not in a repository) |
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| 17:22.07 | mtn | Bronze: gdebi or dpkg |
| 17:22.08 | nebg | Bronze, just do "dpkg -i filename.deb" |
| 17:22.20 | nebg | where filename.deb is the path to the file |
| 17:22.26 | Bronze | Gracias and thank you! |
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| 17:22.35 | nebg | if you get dep errors you do sudo apt-get install -f |
| 17:22.44 | nebg | and redo dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 17:22.46 | Bronze | oh, good! |
| 17:22.57 | mtn | Bronze: gdebi will do it all in one go :) |
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| 17:23.41 | Bronze | :-) No gdebi installed ... |
| 17:24.50 | Bronze | installed, man page read. wow. terse and ... simple! |
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| 17:25.51 | Bronze | and... fail : This package is uninstallable \n Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.14) |
| 17:26.59 | Bronze | libc I have Version of libc6:amd64 on system is 2.13-38. |
| 17:27.27 | Bronze | Is it likely to break the system if I move to a newer version of glibc? |
| 17:27.53 | polyphagia | yes |
| 17:28.05 | Bronze | thought so. Thank you. |
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| 17:28.40 | Bronze | begins planning moving to newer Linux release.. |
| 17:28.45 | rueda | polyphagia: no I don't have it |
| 17:29.00 | polyphagia | i'm implying you need to install it rueda :P |
| 17:29.01 | rueda | nebg: oh man install more software |
| 17:29.13 | rueda | my name is fernando |
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| 17:30.14 | rueda | I shall install it, as long is only 2mbs or less |
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| 17:31.16 | Bronze | I have Deb Linux : 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux. How do I determine if I can simply upgrade to Jessie, or If I have to start from scratch? |
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| 17:33.08 | zeeble | not sure how to determine, but usually, updating the sources.list, and doing the dist-upgrade works. |
| 17:33.12 | rueda | polyphagia: installed |
| 17:33.21 | zeeble | what does your /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 17:38.27 | jelly | Bronze: that sounds like a debian 7 installation. pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" or contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:39.01 | rueda | polyphagia: |
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| 17:39.02 | jelly | zeeble: avoid suggesting poeple to just change sources without reading the release notes first |
| 17:39.11 | rueda | do I need uic now? :p new error |
| 17:39.12 | rueda | http://paste.debian.net/359367/ |
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| 17:46.36 | pepe76 | hello |
| 17:46.57 | pepe76 | ciao |
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| 17:58.31 | iresf | hi everyone |
| 17:59.44 | disciple8959 | Hi Dr. Nick! |
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| 18:01.17 | iresf | i have searched in google for finding fglrx-driver stable for debian 8 but i could not find the model of my graphic card : ATI R5 |
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| 18:05.20 | dontknow | iresf, is there no driver in debian repos? |
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| 18:09.03 | DoctorD90 | anyone that know how to sync contacts and calendars in evolutions/system of outlook? |
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| 18:15.07 | iresf | dontknow : there is driver in debian repos but it is not stable |
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| 18:15.19 | rueda | hi I bought a multireader for my cfcard 64gb http://www.ebay.com/itm/191700422886 <-- that's the reader this is the cf card --> http://imgur.com/Pbikrqk the performance I get is rougly 12mb/s in windows 7 I'm sure is the maximum I can get with this reader... the card says is udma7 enabled does this means my cfcard reader doesn't support udma7? |
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| 18:16.46 | dontknow | iresf, there is only one proprietary driver for all amd video cards |
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| 18:17.01 | dontknow | as far as i know |
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| 18:18.05 | iresf | dontknow : can i install it and the if i saw it is not good can i delete it |
| 18:18.06 | iresf | ? |
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| 18:18.31 | dontknow | i don't know |
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| 18:18.57 | An_Ony_Moose | iresf: which package is it? |
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| 18:20.15 | An_Ony_Moose | iresf: depending on how unstable it is, it should be possible to remove it after installing it. But it could be disastrously unstable and stop your computer from booting (unlikely but not impossible, especially if it's nonfree), which would make things more difficult. |
| 18:20.28 | An_Ony_Moose | rueda: What does that have to do with debian? |
| 18:20.50 | rueda | An_Ony_Moose: oh wow sorry |
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| 18:25.43 | swift110-phone | Hey |
| 18:25.58 | den-3local-den | swift110-phone, hi |
| 18:26.32 | Furai | How would I go about building kernel from source? |
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| 18:28.15 | markybob | !kernel handbook |
| 18:28.16 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 18:29.14 | Furai | markybob, does it apply to other distributions as well? |
| 18:29.23 | markybob | Furai, no |
| 18:29.25 | Shadow_7 | Furai: sources from kernel.org... cp /boot/config .config && make oldconfig... and some make-kpkg stuff |
| 18:29.39 | markybob | make-kpkg is no longer supported |
| 18:29.46 | markybob | follow the handbook |
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| 18:29.49 | Shadow_7 | but it still works |
| 18:30.08 | Shadow_7 | poorly... but works |
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| 18:30.24 | quantic | works != works well != supported |
| 18:30.26 | markybob | why suggest it when there's a better way? |
| 18:30.49 | Shadow_7 | a better way than generating .deb's? |
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| 18:31.25 | Furai | How much different steps would be let's say for linux mint? |
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| 18:32.03 | markybob | Furai, probably the same. ask them. |
| 18:32.20 | Furai | Ok, thanks for help. :) |
| 18:32.43 | jhutchins | I believe kernel.org has some suggestions on building scratch kernels. |
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| 18:33.10 | markybob | Shadow_7, following the handbook does result in debs. |
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| 18:38.46 | Shadow_7 | The last "handbook" I tried following was the BSD one. Chapter 3-ish and hours later, and still didn't have a clue how to install any part of it. |
| 18:39.16 | swift110-phone | Loll |
| 18:39.40 | quantic | Shadow_7: How is that in any way relevant? |
| 18:39.51 | Shadow_7 | because it's a "handbook" |
| 18:40.23 | Radj | which one is the best distro for laptop and DE?my laptop is Dell 7537, i5, 6gb ram, nvidia Gforce and intel graphic card |
| 18:40.26 | jelly | Shadow_7: fwiw, upstream source has a "make deb-pkg" too now, not just "make config" or "make modules-install" |
| 18:40.29 | quantic | Shadow_7: Logic is not your forte, is it. |
| 18:41.00 | markybob | right. make deb-pkg is what the handbook says. not hard. |
| 18:41.05 | jelly | quantic: if you can't be helpful yourself, be quiet |
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| 18:45.07 | iresf | i have installed virtualbox on debian but i can not open that because there is no icon or command to open that |
| 18:46.13 | Shadow_7 | logic is kind of an infinite loop. It's broke. It's been broke a long time. Therefor, it's brokeness doesn't affect anyone. So, don't fix it. It's broke. It's been broken a long time. ... ... |
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| 18:50.11 | Shadow_7 | iresf: how was it installed? dpkg -c xyz.deb | grep -i bin |
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| 18:56.03 | lemondom | how can I trigger a refresh of an inode that has been bind-mounted? |
| 18:56.17 | lemondom | I mean, nano or vim or whatever editor will use a new inode, hence the bind-mount will not refresh |
| 18:56.20 | lemondom | I need some elegant way |
| 18:56.22 | lemondom | some command I can use |
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| 18:57.54 | xingu | lemondom: touch? |
| 18:58.14 | lemondom | aha |
| 18:58.22 | lemondom | xingu: right ,but the file I would touch then wouldn't be the updated inode? |
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| 18:58.27 | lemondom | ehh, I mean the old inode |
| 18:58.33 | lemondom | the old inode would be in kind of limbo state? |
| 18:58.51 | lemondom | the process that listens on the bind-mounted inode will have an inode address that is outdated |
| 18:59.35 | lemondom | yes, touch doesn't work :( |
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| 18:59.41 | lemondom | it would touch the new inode |
| 19:00.04 | lemondom | I need a tool that can store the old inode address, then when it is recalled on a file, it would overwrite the inode address with a new inode address |
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| 19:01.07 | lemondom | ahhh I found something |
| 19:01.16 | jelly | lemondom: this process should learn to close and reopen files, then |
| 19:01.24 | lemondom | when I edit it over samba share or using something different than nano/vim or whatever so it doesn't use new inodes |
| 19:01.26 | lemondom | then it work |
| 19:01.35 | lemondom | jelly: right, it is a fundamental issue with bind-mounts |
| 19:01.43 | lemondom | they work on inode, not on file lvel |
| 19:01.46 | lemondom | *level |
| 19:02.06 | jelly | of course they do |
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| 19:02.22 | jelly | and inode _is_ file level |
| 19:02.40 | jelly | a new file with same path is just that, a new file |
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| 19:05.54 | DoctorD90 | anyone that know how to sync contacts and calendars in evolutions/system on outlook? |
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| 19:08.12 | lemondom | jelly: fair enough, so one can argue that this "create a new inode first and overwrite the old one" approach is the actual issue |
| 19:08.40 | lemondom | DoctorD90: you mean you got a second mail program next to outlook and you want to share the contacts/calendar data between them? |
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| 19:09.15 | jelly | lemondom: maybe don't bind-mount files, bind-mount parent directories |
| 19:09.39 | DoctorD90 | no lemondom |
| 19:09.44 | lemondom | jelly: good idea! |
| 19:09.53 | lemondom | that's a great idea |
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| 19:10.12 | DoctorD90 | lemondom my target is to sync in evolution, mail (and this is yet possible), calendar and contacts |
| 19:10.28 | DoctorD90 | but evolution cant see calendar and contacts |
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| 19:19.04 | Filystyn | hello |
| 19:19.19 | Filystyn | there was cmus problem and tho it was not fixed but i made a big step |
| 19:19.34 | Filystyn | the dependencies problem was fixed after huge instalation of some non free sources |
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| 19:19.44 | Filystyn | so actualy whole debian changed but im ok with it |
| 19:20.01 | Filystyn | now cmus has all perfect apt-get build-deb cmus shows all is ok |
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| 19:20.05 | Filystyn | what is problem -> |
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| 19:20.36 | Filystyn | it segfaults on the normal user and works perfect on root |
| 19:20.41 | Filystyn | i thought for a sec that |
| 19:21.18 | Filystyn | maybe i could just clear it's configuration so it does not load anything but give me new blank screen so i load my libs again |
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| 19:22.24 | lemondom | DoctorD90: pardon my ignorance, what calendar/contacts it cannot see? from a mobile device? |
| 19:22.24 | Filystyn | so what should i do O.o |
| 19:22.28 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
| 19:23.35 | DoctorD90 | lemondom if i enter from web, i can edit calendars, and contact of my hotmail account. If i enter from evolution, here from linux, i cant see my calendars, and neither my contacts :) |
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| 19:31.47 | lemondom_ | DoctorD90: 1) it is a webmail service you store your mail, contacts, calendar? |
| 19:31.52 | lemondom_ | 2) IMAP? |
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| 19:34.53 | DoctorD90 | lemondom i get them using android microsoft exhcange account, but i cant set ssl in "online accounts". Yes it shoult support IMAP :) |
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| 19:35.09 | lemondom | aha |
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| 19:36.37 | DoctorD90 | lemondom do you have solution? :D |
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| 19:48.21 | debian8xfce | hello debs, is there a way to fasten the wake up of the touchpad? |
| 19:49.10 | debian8xfce | after i wake up my notebook, the screen turns on and shows windows and stuff, but touchpad is not working for a few seconds |
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| 19:55.57 | debian8xfce | hello? |
| 19:57.20 | at0m | debian8xfce: maybe powersettings disabling it after it's not in use for some time? does happen with usb devices, for example |
| 19:57.48 | debian8xfce | uhm, I don't think you got what I mean |
| 19:57.53 | poffs | how do I generate the ~/.ssh/id_* files? |
| 19:58.10 | at0m | poffs: ssh-keygen |
| 19:58.15 | debian8xfce | when I close the notebook - it goes into sleep/hibernate mode |
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| 19:58.31 | at0m | jubo2! |
| 19:58.41 | jubo2 | uhh.. scrollwheel |
| 19:58.48 | at0m | sw fail |
| 19:58.49 | debian8xfce | when I wake it up - everything wakes up, but touchpad wakes up with a noticeable delay (around 4 sec after the screen is on) |
| 19:58.50 | jubo2 | GUI |
| 19:59.02 | debian8xfce | the keyboard wakes up earlier |
| 19:59.16 | at0m | debian8xfce: not sure, check dmesg for event maybe |
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| 19:59.37 | at0m | keyboard internally is ps2 afaik, touchpads usb |
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| 19:59.47 | debian8xfce | at0m: and how that will help? |
| 20:00.18 | poffs | at0m, any specific options? Just name them properly? |
| 20:01.04 | at0m | poffs: default naming is ok when you generate a single keypair. check ssh-keygen --help for more options |
| 20:01.20 | at0m | debian8xfce: have you even checked dmesg for events from around wakeup time? |
| 20:01.40 | debian8xfce | yes, just did |
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| 20:01.45 | at0m | nada? |
| 20:02.01 | at0m | then i don't know. |
| 20:02.57 | debian8xfce | http://paste.debian.net/359405/ that's the dmesg log of sleep&wake up |
| 20:03.43 | poffs | how do I generate /root/.ssh/id_ed25519-cert ? |
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| 20:05.43 | debian8xfce | using ssh, poffs |
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| 20:06.10 | John | hi all :) |
| 20:06.26 | at0m | poffs: ssh-keygen -t ed25519 |
| 20:06.30 | John | Im having a realyl hard time installing Debian |
| 20:06.38 | studdentt | John: whats up |
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| 20:06.39 | John | After install, i never seem to be able to boot |
| 20:06.42 | at0m | poffs: read up on man ssh-keygen |
| 20:06.57 | studdentt | John: is this your first linux OS ? |
| 20:07.19 | John | No, hehe, i know all about the disk formats, MBR, etc etc |
| 20:07.32 | John | But I think maybe my brain isn't working so well in 2016 :P |
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| 20:07.43 | debian8xfce | uupdate it |
| 20:07.47 | John | Is there a disk manager utility i can access during the install? |
| 20:07.54 | debian8xfce | yes |
| 20:07.58 | John | Like, how do i just format existing partitions on a drive while installing? |
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| 20:08.07 | John | I only seem to be able to install, not format |
| 20:08.29 | John | (install to a disk will format, but i have two HDDs and the other isn't formatted, etc) |
| 20:09.12 | John | I know, i'll go through the process again now, and when i hit bits which i dont really understand i'll ask you :) |
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| 20:09.40 | John | OK, so right away im asked if i want to boot into the Live DVD (amd64), or Install, or Advanced Options |
| 20:09.50 | tremon | John: you can format partitions if you choose the "manual" process in the partitioning menu |
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| 20:10.10 | John | tremon: Yeah i was expecting something like that, but i didnt see it |
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| 20:10.45 | markybob | John, live cd doesn't support uefi, btw. and no install method supports secure boot. secure boot is what generally prevents booting after install. check your bios and disable it if on |
| 20:10.57 | John | oh |
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| 20:13.30 | poffs | at0m, "debug1: load_public_identity_files: key /root/.ssh/id_ed25519-cert type ED25519 is not a certificate" |
| 20:14.28 | studdentt | John: go to advanced options |
| 20:14.35 | John | Oh, heh, i don't have uefi on this BIOS. |
| 20:14.46 | at0m | poffs: seems ED25519 is pretty new, so check your manual if it has that. |
| 20:14.54 | at0m | poffs: man ssh-keygen |
| 20:15.10 | at0m | or, at least, my manpage says it's new. |
| 20:15.23 | John | studdentt: ok, im there now :) |
| 20:15.34 | John | Hardware Detection Tool, and Memory Diagnostic Tool |
| 20:15.40 | John | HDT and memtest86+ |
| 20:16.42 | Slumlord_ | hello, trying to add a ppa in repository and get following error "http://pastebin.com/TuxHqvcB" |
| 20:17.42 | markybob | Slumlord_, look at the last line. that repo doesn't support debian. likely ubuntu only |
| 20:17.46 | John | Maybe if i do the non-graphical install i'll get the manual option |
| 20:17.53 | Slumlord_ | right |
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| 20:18.13 | Slumlord_ | no work around or anything |
| 20:18.16 | Slumlord_ | ? |
| 20:18.17 | markybob | no |
| 20:18.29 | Slumlord_ | ok thank you |
| 20:19.06 | studdentt | John: and Install option installs right away ? |
| 20:19.33 | John | It asks me about my language/etc, but it installs |
| 20:19.43 | John | im doing all that stuff now - currently setting hostname |
| 20:19.57 | studdentt | John: is there another version available? |
| 20:20.17 | John | There was the graphical version, and boot into the Live CD and double-click the install icon |
| 20:20.28 | John | i've done those, but not the non-graphical version |
| 20:20.37 | BaBL | Slumlord_: just add repo line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:21.07 | Slumlord_ | ok |
| 20:21.16 | BaBL | Slumlord_: just add repo line in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pogo-dev/stable/ubuntu ubuntu_version_more_relate_to_your_deb main |
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| 20:21.45 | John | ok, so now im in "manual" |
| 20:21.59 | John | I have a list of the drives/partitions |
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| 20:23.46 | simonlnu | to do UEFI install, the HDD needs to have a GPT partition table. |
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| 20:24.31 | John | Ah, now i can delete partitions and create new ones :D |
| 20:24.34 | John | ok, i think i got this now |
| 20:24.41 | John | i think this time things will work :D |
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| 20:25.07 | John | Final question i guess - Ext4 or btrfs? :P |
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| 20:28.06 | simonlnu | ext4, generally speaking. IMO |
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| 20:29.02 | mateus | hi tghere, im from windows, i instaled debian, is this the palce? |
| 20:30.07 | simonlnu | for support, yes |
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| 20:31.02 | computix | ls |
| 20:31.47 | computix | sorry X-) |
| 20:34.12 | John | Ok, got Ext4 :) |
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| 20:34.31 | John | I see something called "bootable flag" - do i want that on my ext4 partition? |
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| 20:36.48 | tremon | no. the bootable flag has no effect on a linux system |
| 20:37.25 | tremon | you only need it to boot a windows using microsoft's bootloader |
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| 20:38.40 | JJLinux | anyone have any success in installing Win10 in virtualbox? |
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| 20:40.00 | tremon | we don't do either virtualbox or windows in this channel. Try ##linux if there isn't a virtualbox-specific channel |
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| 20:50.16 | John | uh, it didnt work |
| 20:50.20 | John | what the |
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| 20:50.36 | John | It appears not to be booting into anything |
| 20:51.05 | markybob | John, did you install grub into mbr? |
| 20:51.08 | John | yeah |
| 20:51.14 | John | Well, i installed grub to sda1 |
| 20:51.26 | markybob | John, that's probably your problem |
| 20:51.29 | John | Surely i messed it up somehow, but not sure how |
| 20:51.50 | markybob | John, install into mbr not sda1 |
| 20:51.58 | simonlnu | sda, not sda1 |
| 20:51.59 | John | How do i do that? |
| 20:52.05 | markybob | right. just sda |
| 20:52.10 | John | ok, hm |
| 20:52.12 | John | will try |
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| 21:10.40 | poffs | i'm having issues with ssh. I add the public key to the authorized_keys file via cat >> and then I try to log in and iy says "Trying private key: (path to key) then says "athentications that can continuue: publickey" and "No more authentication methods to try. |
| 21:10.53 | poffs | " then "Permission denied (publickey)" |
| 21:11.20 | boodie | Hi (jessie) I tried to change my password with passwd, ... but it asks me twice the current password then gives an error saying that the password wasn't changed ... how does it exactly work? |
| 21:11.53 | Shadow_7 | boodie: it should ask current once and NEW twice |
| 21:12.31 | boodie | Indeed. This makes sense |
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| 21:13.35 | boodie | But instead it asks me the current "kerberos" password ... |
| 21:14.23 | boodie | I input my current password, it asks for it again and then gives an error message |
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| 21:20.04 | poffs | this is a disaster... I can log into my server by password but not by public key, and sshd_config says it should not allow password access, only public key |
| 21:20.43 | jasabella | did you reload your config? |
| 21:20.50 | jasabella | (after editing it) |
| 21:20.52 | tharkun | poffs: Have you restarted sshd? |
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| 21:22.05 | poffs | i tried service sshd restart, but nothing appears to have happened and my SSH connection to the server didn't even drop |
| 21:22.07 | jasabella | # kill -hup $(cat /var/run/sshd.pid) |
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| 21:22.48 | tharkun | poffs: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 21:22.53 | poffs | i've actually reset this server manually since changing the config file, though, and my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file isn't being read either |
| 21:23.04 | donoban | poffs: it's seems very stupid, but did you try rebooting? |
| 21:23.09 | jasabella | did you set the right permissions? |
| 21:23.15 | jasabella | sshd is very mindful of them |
| 21:23.38 | donoban | poffs: I can't believe it but rebooting fixed this two times on differents machines :\ |
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| 21:23.44 | cra1g321 | this might help https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/initial-server-setup-with-debian-8 |
| 21:24.10 | poffs | jasabella, yeah. folder and authorized_keys is owned by the $user and 700 permissions |
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| 21:25.02 | jasabella | what's your ssh logs say? |
| 21:25.13 | poffs | server or client? |
| 21:25.18 | jasabella | server |
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| 21:26.07 | boodie | Hi (jessie) when I try to change my password wit 'passwd' i am asked "Current Kerberos password:" I input my existing password, the it asks me the same question again. If I input my current password again, it says "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 21:26.07 | boodie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.17 | bevolumee | http://soundcloud.com/bevolume/bevolume-positive-dreams |
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| 21:34.25 | muesli | struggling with my net config. debian (raspbian) keeps setting default routes on manually configured devices. e.g. it sets a default route to its own ip |
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| 21:34.33 | muesli | anybody got an idea what could be going on here? |
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| 21:36.01 | jasabella | what other networking config stuff do you have running? |
| 21:36.34 | jasabella | NetworkManager? netctl? systemd-networkd? |
| 21:36.57 | jasabella | you're only supposed to have one active |
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| 21:41.08 | John | woop! I got it to boot :D |
| 21:41.13 | John | Finally |
| 21:41.22 | jasabella | muesli? |
| 21:41.43 | markybob | John, mbr? yay |
| 21:41.50 | John | I had to shuffle the hard drive order in the BIOS (AHCI) to reflect the drive order in the installer |
| 21:42.03 | John | And then after installing GRUB to sda's mbr, it booted |
| 21:42.07 | muesli | jasabella: sorry i might have missed a message. the routes have just been re-added again, even tho i deleted them a minute ago :-/ |
| 21:42.11 | muesli | jasabella: can you resend your message please? |
| 21:42.24 | jasabella | what other networking config stuff do you have running? |
| 21:42.27 | jasabella | NetworkManager? netctl? systemd-networkd? |
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| 21:42.50 | muesli | i don't think i have network manager (can't see any configs in /etc) |
| 21:42.53 | John | But the weird thing was, if i made sda the first HDD in the boot order, that wasn't enough - all the drives had to be in the same order as what Debian "saw" them as during install (which is independant of the BIOS somehow) |
| 21:43.04 | muesli | netctl isn't known systemwide either |
| 21:43.21 | jasabella | it's NetworkManager (case sensitive) |
| 21:43.32 | John | Anywhooo, i have a new question now - Cinnimon can't use my graphics card hardware apparently |
| 21:43.40 | muesli | jasabella: yeah, aware of that :) |
| 21:43.58 | John | perhaps i dont have the drivers? If so, i've never really done this sort of thing before because i always run Debian on headless servers |
| 21:44.04 | John | What should i do to get my drivers? |
| 21:44.07 | muesli | so all i have is 3 manually configured devices (inet static) and 2 dhcpcd clients. i suspect it's the latter |
| 21:44.29 | markybob | John, get the pciid |
| 21:44.30 | muesli | also just realized that suddenly all my local subnet routes have been duplicated |
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| 21:46.02 | John | Hm, i ran lspci and i see I have two Radeon HD 4850s |
| 21:46.15 | John | I dont know what the pciid is though |
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| 21:47.45 | John | oh, wait, got it! 1002:9442 |
| 21:47.48 | markybob | John, lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 21:48.04 | John | ah, awesome |
| 21:48.13 | John | that was easier than the way i did it -_- |
| 21:48.20 | John | 1002:9442 |
| 21:48.29 | boodie | Hi (jessie) I tried to change my password using passwd, but I was asked twice my kerberos password, and then it says "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error <CR> passwd: password unchanged". It seems that in a system using kerberos the user passwords cannot be changed using "passwd" ... is there a workaround and do I need kerberos at all? |
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| 21:48.56 | markybob | John, try installing firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 21:49.21 | markybob | John, also make sure these are installed libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 21:49.37 | markybob | John, then reboot |
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| 21:50.29 | jasabella | broodie... kinit |
| 21:50.32 | John | i have those two extra packages, but i cant find firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 21:50.44 | John | "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree" |
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| 21:50.49 | centrx | My mouse pointers just changed. What does it mean!? |
| 21:51.00 | markybob | John, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and to include "contrib non-free" after "main" |
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| 21:51.10 | John | thank you |
| 21:51.10 | markybob | John, then apt-get update |
| 21:51.20 | John | srsly, thank you - you are all being so patient with me |
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| 21:53.23 | John | awesome - now it works :D |
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| 21:56.57 | John | coool - i think it works :D |
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| 21:58.03 | John | oh, hm |
| 21:58.23 | John | i have two graphics cards, and i saw from the lspci that the system can see both |
| 21:58.37 | John | but in the displays manager i cant see the other card to have two desktops |
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| 22:00.21 | markybob | John, is one built into the motherboard? |
| 22:00.29 | John | Nope :( |
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| 22:00.39 | John | two pcie cards |
| 22:00.48 | markybob | John, what's the other card? or are they both the same? |
| 22:00.55 | John | both exactly the same |
| 22:01.05 | John | Except they output to different monitors |
| 22:01.07 | poffs | i have syslog configured to save every line that contains "Iptables" to a specific log file that is NOT /var/log/syslog --- how did I do that? |
| 22:01.11 | John | hehe |
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| 22:02.43 | markybob | John, that's weird. the 4850 has two outputs. why another card for a second monitor? |
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| 22:03.11 | John | I used to have three monitors, but the third was deemed excess my my girlfriend -_- |
| 22:03.21 | John | So it went to her, hah |
| 22:03.44 | markybob | John, so can't you just hook up both monitors to the card that's working? |
| 22:03.45 | John | Now i put the other monitor into the other card because in my mind that would be more efficient |
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| 22:03.53 | John | yeah, i probably could :) |
| 22:04.46 | tasaif | I have a T-BC21 and I want to be able to scroll with one of the auxiliary buttons |
| 22:04.51 | tasaif | can I do this is stock debian? |
| 22:05.19 | tasaif | it seems my left button is mapped to 'back' but the right button is mapped to nothing |
| 22:05.45 | John | Well it worked :D |
| 22:06.07 | John | But its weird no - that the other card can be "seen" but not used. |
| 22:06.31 | An_Ony_Moose | tasaif: it's definitely possible to do it, question is which button numbers the buttons are mapped to (which you can change) and how the applications handle the different buttons (which depends on the applications) |
| 22:06.34 | markybob | *shrug* i've never had that setup. wouldn't know what to tell you. |
| 22:07.39 | John | Well thank you for trying all the same - really really apprechiative that, at the very least, i dont feel like im going through this alone -_- hehe |
| 22:08.22 | tasaif | An_Ony_Moose, this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MouseCustomizations |
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| 22:12.28 | tasaif | thanks |
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| 22:15.50 | muesli | how can i prevent dhcpcd from setting default routes / nameservers? |
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| 22:16.48 | Shadow_7 | muesli: probably something in /etc/default/dhcpcd |
| 22:17.15 | muesli | Shadow_7: sadly not |
| 22:17.31 | penguinman | well, a hack I've used is making resolv.conf read only and setting it manually beforehand |
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| 22:18.25 | muesli | penguinman: hm yeah, but that's asking for trouble. this machine has 5 different ethernet devices |
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| 22:18.44 | Shadow_7 | I just have a resolv.conf that I cp over what dhclient changes |
| 22:21.24 | penguinman | yeah, I remember I could never figure out how to make dhclient leave it alone. was causing issues with openvpn is what I was running into. |
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| 22:22.23 | muesli | wait, is it normal that dhcpcd _and_ dhclient are both running on the same device? |
| 22:22.30 | muesli | i thought that's two different dhcp client software |
| 22:22.38 | muesli | +"pieces of" |
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| 22:23.58 | penguinman | they are |
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| 22:24.30 | muesli | wtf then |
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| 22:24.54 | penguinman | did you install dhcpcd manually or do a system upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 22:25.28 | penguinman | only reason I can think of for both of them being on the system |
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| 22:30.59 | beatpanic | hi, do you know if the dell xps 13 with *16gb* of RAM, works under debian? I spotted it on the german dell website. thanks and happy 2016! |
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| 22:46.40 | boodie | Hi (jessie). I have a problem with passwords. If I try to change a user password (no matter wheter as root or not), I get an "Authentication Token Manipulation" error. Since yesterday I changed the password of the user poatgres, could it be that now /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are disaligned and I have to use 'pwconv' or something similar? Thanks |
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| 22:55.20 | babilen | digidog: You would essentially have to adapt the packaging to the versions of those libraries in sid and recompile the package. |
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| 23:02.31 | oldcanoe | i just installed debian 8.2.0. during the installation i installed x but not a window manager, so i could install the one i wanted. ive installed it, and as i am a longtime linux user but rather new to debian, is there a commandline window manager configuration / selection tool, i.e. in slackware i could run 'wmconfig' |
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| 23:03.05 | oldcanoe | or rather xwmconfig |
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| 23:04.05 | mateus | hi |
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| 23:06.03 | boodie | Hi (jessie). I have a problem with passwords. If I try to change a user password (no matter wheter as root or not), I get an "Authentication Token Manipulation" error. Any hints? |
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| 23:10.26 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 23:10.32 | tite12345 | How can I change my login window? |
| 23:10.46 | oldcanoe | nm, got it, thanks debianers |
| 23:10.47 | tite12345 | I'm using kdm right now and I want ot change to gdm3 |
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| 23:11.13 | Brigo | tite12345, have you installed it? |
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| 23:11.44 | tite12345 | Brigo: Yeah |
| 23:13.26 | tite12345 | Brigo: Hey, you still there? |
| 23:13.36 | Brigo | tite12345, yes, a minute |
| 23:14.25 | tite12345 | Brigo: Thanks a lot! |
| 23:14.46 | Brigo | tite12345, do you have a link about kdm or gdm3 in /etc/alternatives? |
| 23:15.10 | digidog | babilen: hey :-) thanks soo much for you effort on this and giving me some feedback! your annotations are more than reasonable ... but yeah, kind of expected. true that. But my thoughts were with the linux musicians and I would love to see Debian here in the first seat. finally I have to agree with @nilge and others that we need another linuxproaudio campaign. since 2013 the curve is going down. I will giv |
| 23:15.16 | digidog | e this a push in the next independent music creation meeting in Berlin. sry, can I pm you atm? |
| 23:15.32 | tite12345 | Brigo: Nope |
| 23:16.23 | Brigo | tite12345, then try to remove kdm so gdm3 be the only one display manager installed. |
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| 23:17.57 | tite12345 | Brigo: I don't have both? |
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| 23:18.21 | tite12345 | /etc/alternatives right? |
| 23:18.26 | tite12345 | I don't see either |
| 23:18.38 | tite12345 | I'm searching for them via ls | less, none. |
| 23:18.46 | Brigo | tite12345, you can disable kdm and enable gmd3. |
| 23:19.13 | Brigo | systemctl disable kdm && systemctl enable gdm |
| 23:20.48 | tite12345 | Hmm |
| 23:21.19 | babilen | digidog: You can, yeah |
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| 23:23.47 | Brigo | tite12345, i have to go, bye and good luck :) |
| 23:24.32 | tite12345 | Brigo: Thanks a lot! |
| 23:24.46 | Brigo | tite12345, yw :) |
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| 23:27.59 | jhutchins | tite12345: You can change the default that's started by the system using the init/systemd tools to turn one on and another off, you can have multiple dm's installed at the same time. |
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| 23:28.06 | jhutchins | tite12345: https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager |
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| 23:54.55 | awal1 | How to tell aptitude/apt-cache search for applications that include in there names or description audio, video and ncurse? |
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| 23:55.44 | awal1 | My idea is list all ncurse/console based audio/video players |
| 23:56.24 | bazhang | how many you need |
| 23:56.56 | awal1 | all of them bazhang , then I'll check descriptions and features and choose :P |
| 23:57.45 | cra1g321 | apt-cache search audio ncurses |
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| 23:59.16 | bazhang | http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-cache awal1 |
| 23:59.43 | awal1 | cra1g321: did that yet but wondering if another more complex command. vlc have ncurses based feature and not listed with a simple search audio ncurses |
| 23:59.50 | Filystyn | hello |
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| 23:59.52 | Filystyn | PROBLEM here |