| 00:00.00 | Filystyn | I have did massive upgrading |
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| 00:00.14 | Filystyn | andi have problem with terminal - root termianl |
| 00:00.18 | Filystyn | on whole session |
| 00:00.28 | Filystyn | i can opene root terminal only one tiem |
| 00:00.30 | Filystyn | than |
| 00:00.32 | Filystyn | i can not |
| 00:00.38 | Filystyn | WHAT IS HAPPENING |
| 00:00.41 | Filystyn | wrrrr |
| 00:01.24 | awal1 | Filystyn: try explaining more what you did and what happens exactly... |
| 00:02.16 | Filystyn | Ok |
| 00:02.47 | Filystyn | i have added 3 non-free do not knwo how to call it package sources to apt/list |
| 00:02.52 | Filystyn | i have upgrade dmuch |
| 00:02.57 | Filystyn | everythign changed |
| 00:03.07 | mtn | Filystyn: which version of debian? |
| 00:03.18 | Filystyn | what is my current version? |
| 00:03.33 | mtn | Filystyn: yes, what are you running? |
| 00:04.50 | awal1 | Filystyn: run lsb_release -a |
| 00:04.53 | Filystyn | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 (jessie) |
| 00:05.13 | Filystyn | actualy i wanted wheezy |
| 00:05.16 | mtn | Filystyn: ok, and what were you upgrading and how did you do it? |
| 00:05.19 | Filystyn | but we have what we have |
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| 00:05.29 | Filystyn | i had wheezy 7.9 |
| 00:05.42 | Filystyn | i went on linux because there was dependecies problem with cmus |
| 00:05.45 | mtn | Filystyn: so you upgraded wheezy to jessie? |
| 00:05.46 | Filystyn | the upgarde fixed it |
| 00:05.55 | Filystyn | but i think it went too far |
| 00:06.15 | Filystyn | i mean i was told to set pin on 800 |
| 00:06.19 | Filystyn | and here i am |
| 00:07.34 | Filystyn | everything went on rampage and now there is this problem with terminal for root :) |
| 00:07.40 | Filystyn | but rest kind of works good |
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| 00:08.51 | Filystyn | and what is the probelm with root terminal |
| 00:09.00 | Filystyn | after i pass password and login of root |
| 00:09.14 | Filystyn | i open the root termianl and when i close it and try to reopen it |
| 00:09.20 | Filystyn | it just does not work |
| 00:09.23 | Filystyn | nothing happenes |
| 00:09.28 | Filystyn | like i would give wrong password |
| 00:09.35 | Filystyn | and i have to restart computer |
| 00:09.44 | Filystyn | to be able to open root termianl one time on a session |
| 00:09.46 | Filystyn | come on |
| 00:09.51 | Filystyn | what kind of sick problem is this |
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| 00:23.09 | Lionyx | hey guys just curious. is there any implementation of CDE desktop for Debian? |
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| 00:27.31 | Shadow_7 | Lionyx: is package cde any relation? tool to execute commands on another computer |
| 00:28.59 | Lionyx | Shadow_7: nope. I mean this CDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/ |
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| 00:31.09 | Shadow_7 | uhg... almost 60MB download |
| 00:31.38 | Lionyx | I don't wanna compile it if I don't have too... looking for it on Debian Jessie. |
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| 00:32.02 | Shadow_7 | probably take an hour to get on my american isp |
| 00:32.25 | Shadow_7 | if it has a ./debian/ path in the sources you can create a deb... although does involve compiling it... |
| 00:32.36 | Shadow_7 | but you can copy the .deb to other boxes and not need to compile |
| 00:32.44 | B786 | quick! gimme the just one link to the best info regarding the Iam Murdock case |
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| 00:33.05 | Lionyx | tks i'll gotta reboot |
| 00:33.11 | B786 | ok |
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| 01:01.29 | roylaprattep | Debian Jessie, cron-apt not working, and the file is in cron.d |
| 01:01.35 | roylaprattep | Someone knows why ? |
| 01:02.53 | Yehai | no |
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| 01:06.20 | roylaprattep | Ok, it's running but no email and I have MAILON="always" in my config file |
| 01:06.33 | roylaprattep | It doesn't send email if there is no update ? |
| 01:07.53 | Aebian | what was the dpkg --argument to reinstall a package? ^^ |
| 01:08.22 | abrotman | Aebian: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | roylaprattep: no, it [probably doesn't. What do the docs say? |
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| 01:09.33 | Aebian | dpkg: tell me reinstall a package |
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| 01:09.57 | Aebian | dpkg: tell Aebian reinstall a package |
| 01:10.09 | dvs | dpkg --reinstall install <package_name> |
| 01:10.10 | dpkg | dvs: are you using Windows? |
| 01:10.16 | dvs | yup |
| 01:10.20 | bazhang | haha |
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| 01:11.21 | Aebian | dpkg: error: unknown option --reinstall |
| 01:11.21 | dpkg | Aebian: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:11.33 | Aebian | oh lol |
| 01:11.39 | abrotman | Aebian: man dpkg |
| 01:11.47 | abrotman | read the docs |
| 01:12.25 | roylaprattep | "Alternatively, you can change MAILON to always in order to receive the summary any time cron-apt is ran." |
| 01:12.36 | roylaprattep | I should receive an email even if there is no updates. |
| 01:12.37 | Shadow_7 | you're supposed to be using apt-get not dpkg anyway... apt-get install --reinstall <packaage> |
| 01:12.58 | abrotman | roylaprattep: are you getting emails at all? |
| 01:12.59 | mateus | hi, im from windows, program bugged, how do i finish it? |
| 01:13.15 | abrotman | mateus: that not make sense |
| 01:13.31 | roylaprattep | http://pastebin.com/AHJs7kuZ |
| 01:13.37 | roylaprattep | abrotman: No email at all. |
| 01:13.44 | roylaprattep | Here is my config file. |
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| 01:14.28 | mateus | i got my printer driver, but i cnnot isntall, its dot.deb |
| 01:14.51 | roylaprattep | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/x8Tqcsnw |
| 01:15.11 | roylaprattep | abrotman: And I modified my cron.d config file for cron-apt for test purpose and I see it running |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | mateus: you can't do that from Windows |
| 01:16.06 | mateus | i mean, i already installed debian 8,, im at it |
| 01:16.16 | mateus | i use windows, but at ohter pc |
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| 01:16.39 | abrotman | !pt |
| 01:16.40 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | roylaprattep: do you have an alias for root mail? |
| 01:17.16 | roylaprattep | Yeah. |
| 01:17.54 | roylaprattep | It's not my only services sending to root. Others working, logwatch, fail2ban... all sending to root and I received it in my username mailbox. |
| 01:19.09 | roylaprattep | In my log i don't even see cron-apt trying to send mail. |
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| 01:19.58 | Aebian | does anyone knows a good vnc server? want to control my debian laptop via a win tower but vino seems not to work with my debian/cinnamon setup. I'm using latest Jessie Stabkle |
| 01:20.01 | Aebian | *Stable |
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| 01:20.34 | dvs | Aebian: I use tightvncserver |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | roylaprattep: strace the binary? |
| 01:21.07 | Aebian | dvs: used that before but I only got a blackscreen instead of my actual desktop |
| 01:21.35 | mateus | hi people, i use windows n i installed debian,, i had my printer driver how do i istall?? its .deb |
| 01:21.42 | roylaprattep | Maybe its the sendmail command |
| 01:21.47 | roylaprattep | Gonna try something |
| 01:22.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | have you run whatever is in the cronjob interactively to see what it does? |
| 01:22.11 | Aebian | mateus: sudo dpkg -i name.deb |
| 01:22.39 | mateus | dont work |
| 01:23.03 | Aebian | mateus: do you got any error? |
| 01:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, doesn't work |
| 01:23.04 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 01:23.12 | mateus | lets see |
| 01:23.49 | nevyn | ~cinnamon |
| 01:23.55 | nevyn | !cinnamon |
| 01:23.56 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 01:23.57 | roylaprattep | abrotman: No, not even trying to send email. Nothing in the log. |
| 01:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | roylaprattep, have you run whatever is in the cronjob interactively to see what it does? |
| 01:24.20 | nevyn | roylaprattep: what's in the mail from the cronjob message? |
| 01:24.23 | roylaprattep | abrotman: Only the cron-apt running, but it doesnt even try to send email. |
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| 01:24.48 | mateus | sudo - command not found |
| 01:24.48 | roylaprattep | nevyn: There is no mail at all! |
| 01:25.03 | roylaprattep | mateus: apt-get install sudo as root |
| 01:25.08 | nevyn | roylaprattep: do you have a mta installed? |
| 01:25.13 | nevyn | and configured? |
| 01:25.18 | mateus | what is sudo? a program? |
| 01:25.21 | roylaprattep | Yes. Postfix. |
| 01:25.34 | roylaprattep | I have all my server configured and working since a couple years... |
| 01:25.43 | roylaprattep | mail server* |
| 01:26.07 | nevyn | so that's the same system? |
| 01:26.10 | nevyn | or a different one? |
| 01:26.54 | Aebian | mateus: sudo is a program for Unix-like computer operating systems that allows users to run programs with the security privileges of another user, by default the superuser. |
| 01:27.36 | roylaprattep | http://s9.postimg.org/qi2x5bhjj/fail2ban.png |
| 01:27.44 | roylaprattep | Same system. |
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| 01:28.16 | mateus | okay, tks,, but messagens sudoes do not exist |
| 01:28.22 | roylaprattep | Fail2Ban working... Logwatch working... |
| 01:28.29 | roylaprattep | System mail working too... |
| 01:28.31 | mateus | i need to create sudoers group? |
| 01:28.40 | abrotman | or don't use sudo, just become root |
| 01:28.46 | roylaprattep | mateus: nano /etc/sudoers |
| 01:29.14 | roylaprattep | mateus: man sudoers |
| 01:29.39 | mateus | okay , okay, ty |
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| 01:31.06 | Filystyn | guys |
| 01:31.07 | awal1 | There are a lot of mpd clients, terminal based, and Won't try them all. Any suggestions? |
| 01:31.11 | Filystyn | guys i almost fixe dall |
| 01:31.14 | Filystyn | im very happy |
| 01:31.16 | Filystyn | carry |
| 01:31.18 | Filystyn | ! |
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| 01:31.40 | abrotman | awal1: try them all |
| 01:31.56 | awal1 | abrotman: :P |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | awal1: Then don't take stupid polls |
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| 01:32.32 | Filystyn | TOMORRROW WE FIGHT MOR |
| 01:32.34 | Filystyn | CYA ALL |
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| 01:32.46 | awal1 | abrotman: please, control your words |
| 01:33.03 | awal1 | every day people ask for recommendations here |
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| 01:33.23 | awal1 | just choose not answer me |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell awal1 about polls |
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| 01:34.28 | stoned | what's the best way to test surround sound 5.1 in stable? |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | roylaprattep: This is on Jessie? |
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| 01:36.24 | roylaprattep | abrotman: Yeah, if I run cron-apt manually as root, I receive the email ! |
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| 01:36.36 | abrotman | maybe an unset environment variable |
| 01:36.38 | roylaprattep | So the problem is is the cron.d job |
| 01:37.09 | roylaprattep | why with the cronjob, no email, manually, i got an email |
| 01:37.37 | roylaprattep | That's very, very weird. |
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| 01:38.36 | roylaprattep | http://pastebin.com/Xi3sjHWx |
| 01:38.45 | stoned | http://i.imgur.com/A7DpFGt.png <- levels in alsamixer. Which one would correspond to back left/right, subwoofer? The rest are self explanatory. speaker-test makes sounds I can't tell. I tried a sine wave, little better but still can't tell if some of the speakers are working. |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | roylaprattep: set the debug level to something higher, see if you can get somelogs |
| 01:39.46 | stoned | Front controls front left/right. I can't tell what surround does yet. center is obviously center. Unsure what LFE is. And also unsure what side is. |
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| 01:40.36 | roylaprattep | abrotman: For the syslog ? |
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| 01:41.01 | stoned | And also, how can I achieve the same effect as the Windows realtek audio driver, where you can do a 'speaker fill' so even in stereo music, sound comes from all the speakers. |
| 01:41.22 | abrotman | roylaprattep: in the README.gz, it mentions you can change the debug output |
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| 01:41.33 | abrotman | roylaprattep: that may give more useful output |
| 01:42.09 | roylaprattep | Yeah, I tried with "DEBUG=VERBOSE" |
| 01:42.19 | roylaprattep | Same thing. |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | and nothing is logged? |
| 01:42.30 | roylaprattep | Nope |
| 01:42.34 | abrotman | at all? |
| 01:42.38 | roylaprattep | at all. |
| 01:42.46 | abrotman | taht doesn't sound helpflu |
| 01:42.53 | roylaprattep | Hehe, indeed. |
| 01:42.54 | abrotman | notes there is also apticron |
| 01:43.15 | roylaprattep | 35 20 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/cron-apt && /usr/sbin/cron-apt |
| 01:43.15 | abrotman | does anything go to the cron-apt log file, even a mention of it running? |
| 01:43.20 | roylaprattep | gonna change that line for |
| 01:43.21 | Shadow_7 | stoned: you could probably run speaker-test to find out. speaker-test -c 5 |
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| 01:43.27 | roylaprattep | 35 20 * * * root cron-apt |
| 01:43.49 | stoned | Shadow_7: 5.1 would be 6? or 5.1? |
| 01:44.06 | Shadow_7 | probably 6 |
| 01:44.48 | roylaprattep | abrotman: Don't you thinkg ? |
| 01:45.22 | Shadow_7 | stoned: you can also give it --speaker and left|right|rear-left|rear-right|LFE|center|side-left|side-right| ... |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | roylaprattep: you probably what to use the full path to cron-apt |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | want to use |
| 01:46.02 | roylaprattep | abrotman: Gonna give it a try |
| 01:46.21 | stoned | Shadow_7: it ran through them all, and front left/right 0,1 work. center works. When it runs through rear left/right and LFE, I hear nothing. no static noise. |
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| 01:47.49 | Shadow_7 | stoned: amixer -c 0 (where 0 is the index /proc/asound/cards for the device) |
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| 01:48.04 | Shadow_7 | just to see what "NAMES" are in place... don't paste here |
| 01:48.29 | stoned | http://paste.debian.net/359436/ 0,4,1 work, 3,2,5 no sound. Okay, hang on |
| 01:49.03 | Shadow_7 | stoned: there's also values there for what it's set to |
| 01:49.36 | stoned | it's card 0, hda intel, irq 46 |
| 01:49.46 | Shadow_7 | stoned: might also avprobe any test media to see if it's outputting as expected |
| 01:50.53 | stoned | Shadow_7: http://sprunge.us/QXOH amixer -c 0 output (looking through it now) |
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| 01:51.07 | stoned | Ok, I will download a wav file |
| 01:51.26 | stoned | or is there something on the system (kde/gnome) I can play? |
| 01:51.33 | Shadow_7 | some 5.1 tracks only populate front-left and front-right and no other channels |
| 01:51.34 | stoned | I wonder, they usualy come w/ sample theme sounds etc. |
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| 01:52.55 | stoned | Shadow_7: however speaker-test should be able to make noise in each speaker, right? |
| 01:53.43 | Shadow_7 | stoned: in theory... might need to rig up jack or pulse to be 5.1 first |
| 01:53.56 | ravegen | Good day. Any suggestion how to reliably check if the ip address is a proxy? |
| 01:54.08 | nevyn | wat? |
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| 01:54.12 | stoned | Shadow_7: oh I see. |
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| 01:54.28 | abrotman | ravegen: what kind of proxy? |
| 01:55.13 | ravegen | Any proxy. I just need to know if it is serving proxy service. |
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| 01:55.49 | abrotman | ravegen: there are a few RBLs that keep a list of proxy IPs |
| 01:56.12 | ravegen | Like what RBL? |
| 01:57.00 | abrotman | ravegen: google "Proxy RBL" ; I'm sure you'll get a few hits that look interesting |
| 01:57.05 | stoned | Ok, I'm playing a movie in smplayer which is 5.1 capable I think. Then I'll lower each channel and raise one by one to see if it works |
| 01:57.07 | stoned | heh |
| 01:57.13 | ravegen | Ok |
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| 01:57.54 | ravegen | But what if its not listed |
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| 01:58.03 | abrotman | ravegen: As this has nothing to do with Debian, you'll have to ask elsewhere. Good luck |
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| 01:59.20 | stoned | Shadow_7: it seems LFE is subwoofer |
| 02:00.34 | stoned | Shadow_7: side doesn't do anything. |
| 02:00.53 | Shadow_7 | stoned: yes... LFE == low frequency... something |
| 02:01.01 | stoned | ahh |
| 02:01.06 | stoned | equalizer? maybe I dunno. |
| 02:01.08 | Shadow_7 | aka woofer |
| 02:01.23 | Shadow_7 | I want to say envelope? |
| 02:01.40 | Shadow_7 | supposed to be stuff 150Hz or less |
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| 02:02.48 | roylaprattep | Well. |
| 02:02.59 | roylaprattep | cron-apt is scrap for the moment. |
| 02:03.05 | roylaprattep | Will uninstall. |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | roylaprattep: again, there is apticron |
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| 02:03.23 | roylaprattep | Mail support ? |
| 02:03.26 | stoned | so far tested and working, LFE, CENTER, SURROUND (that's rear left/right, works in smplayer 5.1 channels but not in speaker-test), FRONT is front left/right. |
| 02:03.32 | abrotman | roylaprattep: Not sure, never used it |
| 02:03.44 | stoned | so, that's six working speaker, 5.1 |
| 02:03.52 | stoned | I guess it works. Maybe I am just stoned. No no no |
| 02:04.08 | stoned | Wait... I forgot I was asking about how to make it 'speaker fill' or something |
| 02:04.09 | markybob | roylaprattep, abrotman i use apticron. yes it has mail support |
| 02:04.25 | stoned | So that sound always comes from all speakers if it's in stero, and 5.1 and when media is 5.1 |
| 02:04.33 | stoned | Does that make sense? |
| 02:05.27 | stoned | Is there a way to force 5.1 always? |
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| 02:07.23 | stoned | Ahh, "upmix" |
| 02:07.42 | stoned | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA_upmixing I found something. Alsa has a own page too on this. I'll report back later. |
| 02:08.20 | ravegen | (ravegen) I have been checking this IP address with online proxy server and all of them says its dead but if i put this on my openvpn http proxy option, i can connect thru it. Is this ip a proxy or firewall? |
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| 02:08.40 | abrotman | ravegen: again, this isn't related to Debian, please take it elsewhere |
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| 02:09.06 | Shadow_7 | uhg... gonna need a custom kernel after all... wifi dropping every 2 hours |
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| 02:10.51 | Shadow_7 | or maybe I can get by with just the github version of the driver |
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| 02:20.42 | mariachiac | hello. I have a question. I'm looking into trying debian. I have a dell inspiron 7547 and it has two sound cards. I have to install with speech. Therefore it doesn't come up with using the second sound card. Is there a way to switch the sound card it uses by default? |
| 02:21.08 | Shadow_7 | there's always a way |
| 02:21.24 | Shadow_7 | pavucontrol if you choose to install and use pulseaudio |
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| 02:22.09 | Shadow_7 | otherwise a one line .asoundrc works "defaults.pcm.card 1" where 1 is the card you want to use as indexed in /proc/asound/cards |
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| 02:24.10 | mariachiac | Shadow_7: Ok well I've have just booted the installer with the option s for speech. It doesn't come up talking. So how can I swithc hte sound card so I can use the second one which is 1. I'm assuming alt-f2 will put me into a shell or some sort. |
| 02:25.29 | Shadow_7 | check /proc/asound/cards for actual number. Many onboard cards can take more than one index number. soundcard + modem + hdmi audio + ... And then there's a webcam which has mics and therefor soundcard |
| 02:26.51 | mariachiac | Shadow_7: Ok once doing that and I've booted the installer how I specify the card I want to sue so I'm able to install with speech. |
| 02:26.58 | mariachiac | use** |
| 02:27.29 | Shadow_7 | mariachiac: echo "defaults.pcm.card 2" > ~/.asoundrc |
| 02:27.48 | Shadow_7 | user needs to be in the audio group and all that jazz too |
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| 02:28.23 | Shadow_7 | Just did a fresh install on new hardware myself 2 days back and forgot to add the audio group |
| 02:29.18 | mariachiac | Shadow_7: hmmm and this will work for the installer so I'm able to install the debian operating system with speec h? |
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| 02:29.54 | Shadow_7 | speech like blind screen scrapping reads? or festival / espeak tts stuff? |
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| 02:31.27 | mariachiac | Shadow_7: yes I'm needing to install debian with speech support. Meaning I need to run the installer with speech support enabling me to isntall the OS. I can boot the installer and press s for speech, but it doesn't speak to me because its using the wrong sound card in the installer. |
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| 02:31.33 | wizzy___ | Hey. I'm having a little strange error with apt-get and the security updates mirror: E: Release file for http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1d 13h 7min 16s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
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| 02:31.51 | wizzy___ | I checked the machines time, it's accurate |
| 02:32.05 | Shadow_7 | mariachiac: I haven't used the installer for over a decade |
| 02:32.15 | mariachiac | Shadow_7: oh ok. |
| 02:32.44 | Shadow_7 | mariachiac: might be simpler to plug speakers / headphones into the expected sound device, if only for installation |
| 02:37.29 | awal1 | Any good tuto/orientation on how to create in a debian/systemd way a service template that starts qingy instead of agetty as alternative login service for tty? |
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| 02:38.40 | mariachiac | Shadow_7: Yeah that didn't work lol. |
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| 02:39.31 | Shadow_7 | part of the problem is that audio by default is muted in most cases. so if you have a mic near a speaker, you don't get feedback |
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| 02:39.53 | pingfloyd | after fresh install, does root have /root/.profile file? |
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| 02:40.33 | markybob | pingfloyd, a very basic one |
| 02:40.54 | markybob | pingfloyd, https://paste.debian.net/359440/ |
| 02:41.17 | Shadow_7 | pingfloyd: seems like my installs do... < 2 days and > 5 months |
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| 02:41.34 | pingfloyd | markybob: thanks a lot! |
| 02:41.43 | hospes | Evening all! |
| 02:41.45 | markybob | Shadow_7, how < 2 days? i thought you havent used the installer for over a decade? |
| 02:41.55 | Shadow_7 | markybob: debootstrap |
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| 02:42.05 | markybob | Shadow_7, yeah. sure. |
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| 02:42.31 | Shadow_7 | just gotta chroot, install linux-image-amd64, and set a root passwd... |
| 02:42.39 | stoned | Shadow_7: why won't speater-test give output on all speakers like 5.1 in smplayer Avatar movie |
| 02:42.40 | Shadow_7 | and it's bootable |
| 02:43.02 | stoned | I should hear static in all speakers, but not |
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| 02:43.54 | Shadow_7 | stoned: might need alsamixer settings to select surround over pcm/stereo |
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| 02:44.40 | Shadow_7 | and depending on the hardware might only work when optical, not analog |
| 02:45.26 | stoned | I think the hw is capable b/c it works w/ the realtek hd audio driver in windows |
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| 02:48.42 | pingfloyd | markybob: that mesg n || true is interesting. Seems like a good idea really. Is the "|| true" part so that it return zero exit status in case mesg wasn't installed on the system? |
| 02:49.20 | Shadow_7 | stoned: might also need a more exotic .asoundrc to configure it. http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Special:Search?ns100=1&searchx=Search |
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| 02:50.05 | stoned | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA_upmixing |
| 02:50.09 | stoned | Trying to upmix 20to51 |
| 02:50.13 | stoned | Let's see what happens |
| 02:50.13 | markybob | pingfloyd, in bash || means if the first command succeded, the second won't be executed |
| 02:50.21 | pingfloyd | markybob: I get that |
| 02:50.34 | pingfloyd | markybob: I'm trying to figure out why || true part |
| 02:50.44 | pingfloyd | and not just "mesg n" |
| 02:51.10 | pingfloyd | (the thinking behind it) |
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| 02:52.30 | pingfloyd | the only thing I can think of is that the author wants it to still return zero exit status even if "mesg n" fails |
| 02:52.47 | markybob | pingfloyd, that's correct |
| 02:52.55 | pingfloyd | I wonder why he wanted that though |
| 02:53.07 | markybob | pingfloyd, so it'd continue to ~/.bashrc |
| 02:53.13 | pingfloyd | I see |
| 02:53.31 | pingfloyd | that makes sense now |
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| 03:04.07 | brandnewbian | hey guys, having some difficulty get console to run gui apps, need help with the Xauthority problem described here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/118811/why-cant-i-run-gui-apps-from-root-no-protocol-specified basically I need to know how to set the right display and make it permanent? |
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| 03:08.17 | factor | What is the xorg conf option to use software mouse instead of hardware mouse? |
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| 03:15.38 | nevyn | brandnewbian: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 03:18.24 | awal1 | brandnewbian: which DE/WM are you using , what app are you trying to run and what do you do for achieve that? |
| 03:20.43 | Aebian | for some reason teamviewer can't be installed because its missing ia32-libs. But I installed the referenced package for it lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 | also lib32asound2 seems to be not installable...| Any ideas? |
| 03:21.25 | Aebian | uname -a : Linux Aebian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1 (2015-12-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:24.40 | Jasyn | hello |
| 03:24.52 | Jasyn | I removed my video card & now I can't login to the gui |
| 03:25.23 | abrotman | qotd? |
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| 03:25.49 | dvs | go for it! |
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| 03:27.31 | abrotman | dpkg: qotd296 is <reply><Jasyn> I removed my video card & now I can't login to the gui |
| 03:27.31 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 03:28.20 | Jasyn | abrotman, what's that? |
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| 03:28.41 | Jasyn | quote of the day? |
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| 03:31.30 | hospes | Ican't, what |
| 03:32.17 | abrotman | Jasyn: we need more details |
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| 03:33.51 | Jasyn | Well, my video card went out. I removed it. Now I can't get into a GUI. I have a basic Intel Circuitboard with onboard graphics. |
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| 03:34.15 | abrotman | do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf or anytihng in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
| 03:34.28 | dvs | Jasyn: So you detached from your discrete graphics and plugged it in to your integrated one? |
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| 03:35.25 | Jasyn | Yeah, I removed the video card & plugged my monitor into the onboard graphics output. |
| 03:35.57 | brandnewbian | nevyn: awal1 trying to install an application from the CLI and need to sudo it. Using XFCE |
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| 03:37.52 | nevyn | use one of the gui sudo's |
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| 03:37.57 | nevyn | kdesudo or gnomesudo |
| 03:39.37 | Jasyn | Anyway, I am thinking I will rebuild this system after I get back into the GUI & backup all my files. I want to get a build with working tracker-store. I disabled mine because Nautilus couldn't find things. |
| 03:40.28 | Jasyn | Though I heard they fixed tracker-store quite a lot since then & it works with Nautilus & other things which had discrepancy before. |
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| 03:43.22 | brandnewbian | nevyn: ty |
| 03:43.34 | Jasyn | abrotman, I didn't see your message, sorry |
| 03:43.39 | Jasyn | Yes, I do have that file |
| 03:44.21 | abrotman | you might want to move it out of the way |
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| 03:44.57 | Jasyn | ? |
| 03:45.36 | firztspawn | mv x.conf x.conf.old (example) |
| 03:46.11 | Jasyn | I do not have the .d file |
| 03:46.21 | firztspawn | what file do you have? |
| 03:46.24 | Jasyn | Alright, I'd like to be aware of what the goal is or what we're doing |
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| 03:46.48 | Jasyn | I have /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:46.56 | firztspawn | ok |
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| 03:47.18 | firztspawn | what abrotman is asking you to do is mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old |
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| 03:47.57 | Jasyn | Don't I need to uninstall the nvidia drivers for the card & reinstall basic video drivers? |
| 03:48.31 | firztspawn | moving the file creates a backup in case things go wrong |
| 03:49.20 | Jasyn | right right. I was aware of that. |
| 03:49.27 | Jasyn | ok, good. file is moved |
| 03:50.18 | awal1 | brandnewbian: try gksu |
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| 03:52.25 | Jasyn | alright, now what? |
| 03:53.21 | Jasyn | uhh, I did that & did "startx" & I got into the desktop as root. |
| 03:53.42 | Jasyn | That's weird. I didn't realize that would work that way |
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| 03:56.51 | Jasyn | OK, I did a restart & got back to the GUI. Do I need to actually do anything else while I am using the onboard video output instead of the NVIDIA card? |
| 03:56.51 | charchyboy | hi |
| 03:57.15 | Jasyn | I'm not gonna burn up my onboard video am I? |
| 03:57.18 | dvs | Jasyn: Nope. |
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| 03:57.45 | Jasyn | hmm. Weird coolness. |
| 03:58.07 | charchyboy | I am having an issue with chromium on debian testing. If I have a chromium window open and my computer goes to sleep, when I wake it up, the chromium windows is unresponsive |
| 03:58.46 | Jasyn | Thanks for the help. :) |
| 03:58.57 | Aebian | lib32asound2 has no installation canidate but gets listed on the wheezy packages? well I have added the backports on my jessie and also did a list update but still nope =/ |
| 03:59.41 | dvs | ,v lib32asound2 |
| 03:59.42 | judd | Package: lib32asound2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.23-2.1; wheezy: 1.0.25-4 |
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| 04:02.54 | Aebian | dvs: well my sources.list https://gist.github.com/Aebian/31d8be111ff1c93103c8 |
| 04:03.36 | dvs | Aebian: Doesnt' matter, that package is not in jessie |
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| 04:04.18 | alexarnaud | hello |
| 04:05.40 | alexarnaud | I'm trying to create a bootable USB key with dd, anyone can help me ? I've tried but after that I have usb key in write-protected but I need to add firmware on my key. Anyone knows have to fix that ? |
| 04:06.11 | Aebian | dvs: yeah I know but how do I get it? I mean teamviewer depends on it somehow but I installed it earlier on an jessie installation but it doesn't work anymore |
| 04:06.28 | dvs | Aebian: don't know |
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| 04:07.02 | Aebian | dvs: I will Google. Anyway thanks for your help |
| 04:07.39 | svetlana | Aebian, isn't teamviewer proprietary? you better use vnc |
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| 04:08.01 | uxfi | hi svetlana |
| 04:08.10 | svetlana | hi uxfi |
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| 04:13.24 | charchyboy | should I ask my question in the chromium irc instead? |
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| 04:16.13 | Aebian | svetlana: I tried tightvnc before but I just got a black screen on the other machine who tried to connect to my debian system. And vino seems not working with my cinnamon debian install ^^ |
| 04:17.16 | svetlana | when things are not working i would try to troubleshoot :) with vino it was super easy, it had a gui settings dialogue and logs somewhere |
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| 04:20.34 | Aebian | svetlana: well I installed vino but I don't have the vino-preferences cmd neither I have a Remote Desktop Tab in my Preferences :| |
| 04:21.18 | svetlana | in which distro do you not have that command? |
| 04:22.03 | Aebian | svetlana: jessie latest stable |
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| 04:22.42 | svetlana | Aebian, it should be there, see https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=vino-preferences&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 04:22.50 | svetlana | try running it as root and then as non-root |
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| 04:24.14 | Aebian | svetlana: both result in sudo: vino-preferences: command not found |
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| 04:24.25 | Aebian | also without sudo |
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| 04:24.57 | svetlana | Aebian, ok I hope someone here helps you - I do not have a debian computer near me right now, only about 4 hours later |
| 04:25.44 | Yst | My brother foolishly tried to install Skype, and now his GUI is missing. I tried running "xfce4-session" from his tty1, but it says that it cannot open the display. Any recommendations? |
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| 04:26.40 | Yst | Oh. Hey. "startx" works. I need to get the display manager back to starting by default though. |
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| 04:31.35 | jacobcnobody | dpkg-reconfigure dmchoice - maybe? |
| 04:32.07 | Aebian | svetlana: oh while vino gets installed it also says sh: 0: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory |
| 04:32.12 | Aebian | mazbe thats the cause |
| 04:32.21 | Yst | I think O found something. In an "aptitude search", lightdm has a "c" instead of a "p" or "i". What does that mean? |
| 04:32.48 | jacobcnobody | dpkg-reconfigure lightdm |
| 04:33.40 | jacobcnobody | IF there was more than one wm or dte installed it could be using gdm or kdm |
| 04:33.49 | jacobcnobody | xdm ect |
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| 04:34.36 | Yst | Alright. Thank you! |
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| 04:35.23 | stoned | http://i.imgur.com/DZZRn2z.png <- urxvt displays things wierdly, but konsole at bottom displays it just fine. Any idea why? |
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| 04:37.48 | jacobcnobody | aptitude package flagged -c means removed with config file residuals still on system |
| 04:38.10 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/FCTU this is my Xresources file |
| 04:38.22 | stoned | I can't figure out why urxvt displays ascii |
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| 04:40.13 | stoned | oh nm |
| 04:40.16 | stoned | i fixed it |
| 04:40.18 | stoned | False alarm. |
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| 04:49.07 | pasturesofplenty | im trying to do a preeseeded debian install and am running into network configuration issues, basically the target system is plugged into my desktop through the ethernet port and i want to use iptables MASQUERADE on my desktop to share the wireless connection during install, i can use dhcpd and assign it an ip and such but no network connectiviety |
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| 04:49.36 | pasturesofplenty | when i try static networking instead i get errors about arping |
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| 04:50.11 | pasturesofplenty | im not sure what im doing incorrectly |
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| 04:50.32 | Yst | Oh, lovely. He has no display manager, but also no Internet connection. |
| 04:50.45 | Yst | Neither Wi-Fi nor Ethernet works. |
| 04:51.26 | pasturesofplenty | the wi-fi on my desktop works fine |
| 04:51.54 | Yst | Sorry, I meant my brother with the machine I was asking about a bit ago. |
| 04:52.07 | pasturesofplenty | >.> |
| 04:53.12 | Yst | I do not know why you are giving me that look. You are not the only one here trying to fix an error. |
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| 04:53.41 | pasturesofplenty | and yes ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 04:53.47 | pasturesofplenty | (on the desktop) |
| 04:53.53 | pasturesofplenty | Yst: i was giving myself that look |
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| 04:54.22 | Yst | Okay, got it. My bad then. |
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| 04:58.35 | Yst | It seems that the network manager has both the "c" state and the "i" (installed) state. I have no idea what the "c" state is, but I think that it is blocking the use of the network manager. |
| 04:59.09 | Yst | It seems that it can be fixed by installing more packages, but I cannot install the packages because the network manager is down. |
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| 04:59.49 | nevyn | Yst: configured |
| 05:00.45 | nevyn | Yst: the first is current state the second is target state |
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| 05:01.53 | Yst | nevyn: Thank you! So I run dpkg-reconfigure to fix it? |
| 05:02.12 | nevyn | no |
| 05:02.15 | nevyn | purge it. |
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| 05:02.30 | nevyn | then re-install it. |
| 05:02.35 | Yst | Purge it. But I have no network connection, I cannot get it back. |
| 05:02.45 | JeDa | no cache? |
| 05:02.52 | nevyn | it'll still be cached. |
| 05:02.57 | JeDa | ^ |
| 05:03.02 | nevyn | but. how did you end up in this situation? |
| 05:03.11 | Yst | Alright. I will try that. |
| 05:04.18 | nevyn | pasturesofplenty: did you install ipmasq? |
| 05:04.51 | nevyn | I do hate ipmasq but for this sort of thing it's the simple solution. |
| 05:04.52 | Yst | I just tried to purge it, but it says that purging it required that "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64" also be removed. That package is the kernel, right? I cannot remove the kernel. |
| 05:05.05 | Yst | *requires |
| 05:05.13 | nevyn | what's the error if you just try installing it? |
| 05:05.25 | valdyn | judd: versions ipmasq |
| 05:05.28 | judd | No package named 'ipmasq' was found in amd64. |
| 05:05.28 | nevyn | gist.github.com |
| 05:05.36 | nevyn | oh really it went by-by? |
| 05:05.38 | nevyn | sadtimes |
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| 05:06.10 | pasturesofplenty | nevyn: ipmasq? |
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| 05:07.26 | nevyn | yeah it went by-by |
| 05:07.37 | Yst | It says that more packages must be downloaded as dependencies of network-manager, but until network-manager is installed, there is no network connection with which to download the packages. I tell it to download them, and it says that it cannot connect. |
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| 05:07.53 | nevyn | Yst: how did you get here? |
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| 05:08.12 | stylez | hi is anyone awake? |
| 05:08.30 | Yst | nevyn: My brother foolishly tried to install Skype. I was not there when it happened and he does not remember what he did. |
| 05:08.36 | Yst | stylez: Always. |
| 05:08.41 | stylez | heh ok |
| 05:09.12 | pasturesofplenty | nevyn: i mean, it should be as simple as enabling ipv4 forwarding and using MASQUERADE right? |
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| 05:12.53 | stylez | well... I have the firmware-8.2.0-i386.netinst.iso on a USB flash drive.... trying to install debian - only wifi is available... during the setup the install detects and loads the correct NIC driver for the wifi card - BUT when entering the network details it asks me which ESSID, whether its WEP or WPA (its WPA2 - PSK) and then for the passkey... upon entering the passkey it drops right back to the ESSID selection... and s |
| 05:12.53 | stylez | o on.... ad infinitum.... I KNOW for a fact the passkey and ESSID are correct. Im connected to it now... not sure what to do... any ideas? |
| 05:14.05 | simonlnu | it needs to install the firmware, it would seem. |
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| 05:15.12 | stylez | it does install the firmware this happens before selecting which wifi network to connect to.. wouldnt be able to see the wifi networks without the firmware... firmware is required for it to even see the networks - which it does |
| 05:15.25 | stylez | its like the passkey is incorrect - but i know its not |
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| 05:15.59 | stylez | its doing my head in now. |
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| 05:17.11 | stylez | i've no choice but to do a netinstall - the usb drive is only 512mb - otherwise i'd download a full DVD and just do an install that way... |
| 05:20.09 | stylez | Thanks LesStrater - i'll read and try it |
| 05:21.15 | jpinx | stylez: I found that the wifi only install was a pita too -- I ended up using wicd instead of the default network manager |
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| 05:25.29 | jpinx | stylez: you might be able to fit the firmware and wicd on your usb stick and install them from there |
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| 05:28.41 | Shentino | Hey, is there a way to change the |
| 05:28.44 | Shentino | asdjgoiajsdg |
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| 05:36.14 | nevyn | pasturesofplenty: 'using masquerade' |
| 05:37.48 | nevyn | pasturesofplenty: when ou say 'using masquerade' what does that mean? |
| 05:38.14 | pasturesofplenty | nevyn: iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 05:38.39 | pasturesofplenty | im actually discovering that the problem is more basic than that, i cant get simple static routing working it seems |
| 05:38.58 | nevyn | static routing requires routes at the other end |
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| 05:40.45 | alexarnaud | re everyone! |
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| 05:41.48 | pasturesofplenty | on my desktop i did 'ifconfig eth0 10.10.0.1/24 up' and 'ip addr add 10.10.0.2/24 dev eth0' on the machine im trying to install |
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| 05:42.24 | pasturesofplenty | and, of course, enabling that link |
| 05:42.29 | pasturesofplenty | and still nothing |
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| 05:44.43 | Skaag | I'm getting a weird error trying to mount an NFS mount (this used to work before), the error is "failed: RPC Error: Success" |
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| 05:45.32 | JeremyE77 | but it was success ;) |
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| 05:45.47 | Skaag | yah... |
| 05:45.51 | Skaag | ;) |
| 05:47.55 | JeremyE77 | Best I have: https://gimi.name/snippets/nfs-mount-fails-rpc-error-success/ |
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| 05:48.08 | JeremyE77 | the cert is broken but nothing bad happened when I went through |
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| 05:49.08 | JeremyE77 | There also seems to be a nuber of bug reports for it. One example: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524760 |
| 05:49.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/524760 in nfs-common (open): «mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'sever:/home/sharea' failed: RPC Error: Success»; severity: minor; opened: 2009-04-19; last modified: 2009-04-28. |
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| 05:50.19 | Skaag | JeremyE77: I found something else about v2 vs v3, elsewhere |
| 05:50.43 | Skaag | but that snippet may have the solution, I didn't find that one, good find! |
| 05:51.06 | alexarnaud | Does dd command create read-only filesystme ? |
| 05:51.20 | Skaag | yep, it worked |
| 05:51.44 | Skaag | alexarnaud: dd doesn't create a filesystem, it creates a copy of something, of a certain size |
| 05:51.58 | Skaag | or if you're copying from /dev/null it creates a large empty file |
| 05:52.14 | Skaag | alexarnaud: you need to use mkfs to create a filesystem within that empty file |
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| 05:52.40 | Skaag | alexarnaud: and even then, it's just a filesystem, it's up to you if you want to mount it read-only or read/write |
| 05:52.43 | alexarnaud | Skaag: I use dd like this : dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 05:53.02 | Skaag | alexarnaud: I'm not sure that's a good idea... |
| 05:53.25 | Skaag | if you type this: 'file file.iso' what do you get? |
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| 05:54.24 | alexarnaud | Skaag: DOS/MBR boot sector ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data (DOS/MBR boot sector) 'Debian testing amd64 1' (bootable); partition 2 : ID=0xef, start-CHS (0x3ff,254,63), end-CHS (0x3ff,254,63), startsector 20076, 832 sectors |
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| 05:55.18 | alexarnaud | Skaag: so if I understand, I need to : mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb |
| 05:55.23 | alexarnaud | mounting the key |
| 05:55.24 | Skaag | and now that you've seen this, are you sure you want this mirrored exactly to your /dev/sdb? :-) |
| 05:55.41 | alexarnaud | dd if=file.iso of=/media/me/ff |
| 05:55.43 | alexarnaud | ? |
| 05:55.44 | stylez | this is crappy. it seems i need wpasupplicant to get the wifi up and this isnt on the netinst |
| 05:55.49 | Skaag | alexarnaud: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:55.57 | stylez | annoying |
| 05:56.00 | Skaag | just copy the contents? |
| 05:56.37 | alexarnaud | Skaag: copy the content (I have, I can boot) and add firmware for my wifi card (fail because read-only) |
| 05:56.48 | Skaag | understood |
| 05:57.28 | stoned | Shadow_7: http://sprunge.us/VbTP <- I got upmixing and a 10 band global system wide equalizer running. |
| 05:57.29 | alexarnaud | Skaag: if I copy the content the key doesn't boot. what options should I use to copy iso ? |
| 05:57.38 | stoned | Shadow_7: thanks much for thy help |
| 05:57.52 | Skaag | so you need to mount file.iso to a loop, like this: mkdir -p /mnt/iso1 && mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/iso1 |
| 05:58.24 | Skaag | as to /dev/sdb, that's just a drive, you need a partition table and you would then create a filesysten on /dev/sdb1 for example |
| 05:58.44 | Skaag | so use fdisk or gparted or whatever partitioning tool you like, to first create a partition on that drive |
| 05:58.52 | stylez | alexarnaud, you can do cp file.iso /dev/sdb - if you are using the mini.iso this also creates a partition named firmware that you can drop the firware files into... make sure to do #sync afterwards |
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| 05:59.07 | stylez | i take it this is a flash drive? |
| 05:59.10 | alexarnaud | Skaag: if I to mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb I have only one parition, no sdb1, just sdb |
| 05:59.19 | Skaag | then you can create any partition you like, for example: mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 05:59.49 | Skaag | alexarnaud: You must have a partition, even if it's just one... |
| 06:00.03 | Skaag | unless there's something new I never heard about |
| 06:00.19 | alexarnaud | stylez: yes, it's a flashdrive |
| 06:00.31 | Skaag | even a flashdrive has to have partitions |
| 06:00.37 | Skaag | at least one. |
| 06:00.52 | Skaag | brb. real life duties! |
| 06:01.00 | stylez | then do # cp file.iso /dev/sdb (not sdb1) |
| 06:01.05 | stylez | and then do # sync |
| 06:01.06 | Skaag | JeremyE77: thanks for the find, it helped |
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| 06:01.47 | JeremyE77 | oh good. I don't know much on the subject. I am glad that could give some direction though. |
| 06:02.57 | alexarnaud | stylez: If I do a cp of the iso, I obtain ai read-only FS |
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| 06:03.58 | stylez | indeed. but you can add the files to the iso before copying. mount the iso - copy to a tmp dir - add the files and remake the iso with the new files contained. problem solved. |
| 06:05.47 | alexarnaud | stylez: if I mount iso it's again read-only |
| 06:06.09 | alexarnaud | but you are right, you idea is good |
| 06:07.17 | stylez | which is why you copy the contents from the mounted iso to a tmp location |
| 06:07.24 | stylez | then add the files to that tmp location |
| 06:07.43 | stylez | and make a NEW iso from the NEW location containing the files you added |
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| 06:28.32 | kottlett | hi! have you ever seen checkrestart -v listing "/[aio]" as deleted file (in my case for mysqld)? adding that string to the blacklist doesn't seem to help |
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| 06:38.39 | cromag | Morning, is it possible to add descriptions to an interface in the interfaces file or other places, for snmp purposes.. |
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| 06:39.39 | cromag | i've looked in the debian network manual file, but can't really find anything there, and heard that other dists might be able to do this, so i thought Debian is as well :) |
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| 06:50.38 | svetlana | Aebian, I would send a message to the Debian or vino mailing list (or both) and wait for a response from there. |
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| 06:51.06 | svetlana | Aebian, or to the package maintainer (you can see the address in apt-cache information on the package). |
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| 06:53.46 | Skaag | back |
| 06:54.07 | Skaag | cromag: I would think that's an snmpd.conf thing specifically, and not distro related |
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| 06:54.57 | cromag | Skaag: i will look into that, thanks |
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| 07:03.41 | Skaag | cromag: honestly, I wouldn't play with that... I think you need to really ask yourself if you truly need that, because there's a cost to everything |
| 07:04.06 | cromag | not sure i understand your thoughts there.. ? |
| 07:04.18 | Skaag | cromag: If you manage tons of systems, and have a good monitoring system (such as Observium for example), you want to know the real NIC device |
| 07:04.38 | Skaag | how would an extra description help? |
| 07:05.08 | Skaag | would you add for example the name of the ports the NIC is physically connected to? (labels on the equipment?) |
| 07:05.11 | cromag | i do use Observium, and was looking for a vlan interface description, instead of me looking up the IP addresses i.e |
| 07:05.16 | Skaag | because I can see how that would be useful |
| 07:05.27 | Skaag | I see |
| 07:05.41 | cromag | it's not a need, just a nice to have |
| 07:06.01 | cromag | and i thought i would look into it, to ease my day :) |
| 07:07.01 | roylaprattep | abrotman: Got it working ! |
| 07:07.06 | roylaprattep | abrotman: cron-apt. |
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| 07:08.30 | cromag | Skaag: and as it is possible on most switches and such, i thought it would be something debian had to support as an OS or at least the network management package at least. |
| 07:08.41 | cromag | most/alot - you know |
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| 07:17.02 | Mante | Hi |
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| 07:17.59 | Mante | Someone wants me to use Skype. I don't like it. Is there any way to increase my privacy on Debian while using Skype? Maybe a VPN? |
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| 07:18.52 | Mante | Any suggestions welcome :) |
| 07:19.18 | JeremyE77 | Skype for web? https://login.skype.com/login?client_id=578134&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.skype.com |
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| 07:21.49 | darx-off | hi all |
| 07:21.55 | Mante | JeremyE77. How does that increase my privacy? |
| 07:22.24 | JeremyE77 | Beats me. I'm not sure what privacy you are concerned about. |
| 07:22.51 | JeremyE77 | Running it through a VPN or through SSL seems about the same except for IP address |
| 07:25.25 | Mante | JeremyE77. Thx. |
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| 07:31.31 | Filystyn | HELO |
| 07:31.37 | Filystyn | i need help |
| 07:31.43 | Filystyn | SOMETHING is wrong |
| 07:31.53 | Filystyn | i repaired/it repaire dit self most stuff |
| 07:31.58 | Filystyn | 'im running jessi 8.2 |
| 07:32.06 | Filystyn | now what are the problems |
| 07:32.11 | Filystyn | I am on gnome classic here |
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| 07:34.06 | Mante | Filystyn. Maybe reboot? |
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| 07:34.57 | Filystyn | i want gnome classic |
| 07:35.02 | Filystyn | ASK WHAT IS WRONG |
| 07:35.07 | Filystyn | ask what is wrong.. |
| 07:35.32 | Filystyn | ok first problem |
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| 07:35.51 | Filystyn | i want running in the background programs to be shown on bar on top |
| 07:36.05 | Filystyn | while i see them on the bottom and i have to press some number |
| 07:36.24 | Filystyn | other problem i solved not alt but 'super' was meant to be pressed to move window |
| 07:36.28 | Filystyn | evrywhere it's alt |
| 07:36.34 | Filystyn | and you set it on something random |
| 07:37.51 | Filystyn | like i think sometimes in gnome you can't set nearly nothing compared to kde |
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| 07:41.38 | Skaag | cromag: if you do find a way to attach a note to a NIC, I'd love to know! |
| 07:42.01 | cromag | i'll try to remember :) |
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| 07:53.30 | alexarnaud | Skaag: I have boot from unoficial Debian ISO :) |
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| 09:14.52 | drpresident | hey guys i need help with sound drivers, i cant get any audio to play from my sound cards. They work fine on windows, but on my Debian 8 install i cant play anything from any source. |
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| 09:15.39 | drpresident | Im running jessie and alsamixer recognizes an hdmi card and pch, but i cant get any sound from speaker-test or from the gnome sound gui |
| 09:16.01 | beepie | drpresident, do you see hdmi from sound-preferences in the gui? |
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| 09:18.12 | markybob | drpresident, try pavucontrol |
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| 09:19.01 | drpresident | i dont see a sound preferences thing, all the gui gives me is headphones, analog output, and speakers. |
| 09:19.15 | drpresident | should i uninstall alsa or can i just straight install pavucontrol |
| 09:19.29 | markybob | drpresident, just install/run pavucontrol |
| 09:21.26 | drpresident | ok, i ran it but im not sure what to do next, it says built in audio digital stereo (HDMI), but i dont see a test or anything to change |
| 09:22.09 | drpresident | input devices seem to work, it looks like the mic is picking up all the sound in the room but im sure thats totally separate |
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| 09:24.33 | drpresident | and it does say hdmi is unplugged, which is true if that is relevant |
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| 09:34.49 | leszek | Is wheezy EOL already or is it only wheezy-backports. I find this closing message a little bit strange as oldstable still suffers from the issue basically then and the fix is simple and easy: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=809779 |
| 09:34.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/809779 in libavutil-dev (closed, patch): «libavutil-dev: Memory Leak in buffer»; severity: important; opened: 2016-01-03; last modified: 2016-01-03. |
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| 09:37.07 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello guys good morning anyone knows why openoffice on debian stretch close qhen i click on save, here is strange |
| 09:37.15 | quest9 | hi? |
| 09:37.53 | babilen | leszek: wheezy still gets support, but those kind of bugs were never fixed in a stable release |
| 09:37.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell leszek -about stable |
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| 09:38.33 | drpresident | how would i tell speaker-test to play from card 1 instead of card 0? |
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| 09:39.51 | leszek | babilen: so it isn't considered a serious bug when memory leaks ? Hmm... pardon me but I think differently |
| 09:40.04 | leszek | it isn't a security bug though thats true |
| 09:41.19 | drpresident | can anyone help me fix my sound? |
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| 09:43.22 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: in ~/.asoundrc ... defaults.pcm.card 1 |
| 09:43.46 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: or ... speaker-test -D hw:1 -c 2 |
| 09:44.14 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: the .asoundrc can also give more custom names to that device. |
| 09:44.16 | drpresident | what if i dont have a ~/.asound.rc, can i just create one and put that at the top? |
| 09:44.33 | drpresident | I cant get sound to play from either of my cards from speaker-test |
| 09:45.04 | babilen | leszek: I am not saying that the bug shouldn't be fixed, but *stable* releases are *stable* in the sense that they don't change. And the bug you refer to has indeed been closed, but the release you use will not get that fix. |
| 09:45.09 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: sound is muted by default and you need to add the user to the audio group |
| 09:45.13 | babilen | judd: v libavutil-dev |
| 09:45.14 | judd | Package: libavutil-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-backports: 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6:11.4-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 6:11.4-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:2.8.4-1+b1; stretch: 7:2.8.4-1+b1; wheezy- |
| 09:45.16 | judd | multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.5-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.8.4-dmo2 |
| 09:45.19 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: alsamixer -c 1 |
| 09:45.34 | babilen | leszek: You might want to upgrade to jessie (current stable release) |
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| 09:45.51 | drpresident | I am a member of the audio group, and i dont know what to do with alsamixer except edit sound levels |
| 09:46.14 | drpresident | when i look at devices in alsamixer it does show both my hdmi and pch cards but im not sure how to get them to play sound properly |
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| 09:46.26 | babilen | drpresident: unmuted the devices? speaker(s) plugged in and turned on? |
| 09:46.54 | leszek | babilen: ah ok so bugs in oldstable aren't fixed really if they aren't security wise. So the advise is for all experiencing that bug to upgrade to jessie. I find that kind of strange as wheezy isn't EOL yet and people using wheezy experiencing that bug. |
| 09:47.10 | drpresident | what is auto-mute mode? does that just mean thats its muted and i should disable auto-mute mode? |
| 09:47.21 | drpresident | and yes, its a laptop so the speakers are always plugged in |
| 09:47.43 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: when you first install alsa will be muted |
| 09:47.44 | babilen | leszek: stable releases are stable in terms of their bugs too |
| 09:47.47 | leszek | babilen: and note the solution for wheezy wouldn't be backporting ffmpeg but actually applying a five or so lines patch |
| 09:47.58 | leszek | babilen: are you serious ? |
| 09:48.13 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: so if you have a microphone it doesn't feedback to the speakers and other reasons |
| 09:48.19 | babilen | leszek: It really doesn't matter how easy it is to fix an issue. Stable releases *do not change* if they don't absolutely have to. |
| 09:48.26 | babilen | leszek: Yes, I am very serious. |
| 09:48.42 | drpresident | so what exactly do i need to do to unmute it? |
| 09:48.48 | leszek | but libav is broken in terms of streaming. That isn't considered serious ? |
| 09:48.49 | babilen | drpresident: press "m" |
| 09:49.15 | babilen | leszek: No, why would it be? And why is upgrading to jessie (the current stable release) not an option? |
| 09:49.37 | drpresident | ok, so i unmuted master, headphone, and speaker, but im still not getting sound played |
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| 09:50.03 | drpresident | but i think its trying to use the hdmi card which isnt plugged in? |
| 09:50.41 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 09:50.43 | Filystyn | PROBLEM |
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| 09:50.55 | Filystyn | how do i add favorites in my programs bar |
| 09:51.02 | Filystyn | ANYONE!? |
| 09:51.08 | drpresident | right click them and click add to favorites |
| 09:51.11 | babilen | Filystyn: Please don't scream |
| 09:51.19 | Filystyn | does not work |
| 09:51.22 | Filystyn | right clicking |
| 09:51.27 | drpresident | are you using gnome? |
| 09:51.38 | Filystyn | yes |
| 09:51.55 | drpresident | just search the program in the menu, and right click the icon and there should be an "add to favorites" option |
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| 09:52.03 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: the contents of /proc/asound/cards will list what index # each card is setting at. Use the number of the desired card in .asoundrc or pass the device directly "-D hw:1" |
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| 09:52.38 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: if you have pulseaudio install and running you can use pavucontrol to adjust which card to use and basic levels |
| 09:52.48 | Shadow_7 | installed* |
| 09:52.55 | babilen | drpresident: You can list cards played with "aplay -L" and then play on them specifically. See http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=speaker-test&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en → DESCRIPTION for details |
| 09:52.58 | Filystyn | NOT WORKING |
| 09:53.05 | Filystyn | right click NOT working |
| 09:53.46 | Filystyn | DEBIAN 8.2 here JESSIE |
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| 09:54.07 | drpresident | im not sure why its not working, could it be a driver issue? i wouldnt think so as the cards both show up in alsamixer |
| 09:54.15 | babilen | Filystyn: Please be considerate and lay off the ALL CAPS |
| 09:54.29 | drpresident | is the HDMI card only for outputting through the hdmi port? |
| 09:54.35 | leszek | babilen: I need to fix it then for my users. Upgrading to jessie is not possible here as we provide incompatible packages (we have newer packages backported from kde plasma) |
| 09:54.38 | Filystyn | right click works else where |
| 09:55.35 | Filystyn | how is this POSSIBLE |
| 09:56.03 | babilen | leszek: You *will* have to upgrade to jessie eventually (or stretch) so I'd work on that. Naturally backporting a newer libav version to wheezy is also an option. I would, however, recommend to focus on getting your users on wheezy as you are simply delaying the inevitable. |
| 09:56.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell Filystyn -about smart questions |
| 09:56.35 | Besucher | Filystyn: Just joined the channel. Where does it not work? |
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| 09:57.11 | Filystyn | on debian Jessi 8.2 i can't add favorites when i click on programs bar |
| 09:57.13 | babilen | Filystyn: Please read the article linked by our bot to you in a private message. Also be specific as to *what happens* when you do what you are being suggested and, for the last time, lay of the caps. |
| 09:57.23 | Filystyn | earlier in 7.9 i could simply right click and set all thingsa |
| 09:57.39 | Filystyn | right click works as left click |
| 09:57.53 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: groups (to check if your user is in the audio group) |
| 09:58.12 | drpresident | yeah im in the audio group |
| 09:58.15 | Besucher | Tried to have a look at mouse settings? Are you talking about gnome 3? |
| 09:58.16 | babilen | Filystyn: You are aware that the user interface is completely different between those versions, aren't you? |
| 09:58.33 | Filystyn | so what |
| 09:58.34 | Shadow_7 | drpresident: will likely need to be in the pulse group with pulse audio as well |
| 09:58.44 | Filystyn | i can not set my favorites |
| 09:58.50 | Filystyn | this is bullshit there has to be a way |
| 09:58.55 | Filystyn | system can't chose for me |
| 09:58.56 | drpresident | ok i wasnt in the pulse group |
| 09:59.05 | drpresident | after adding myself to the pulse group do i need to restart? |
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| 09:59.43 | babilen | drpresident: You could log out and log in again or use "newgrp - pulse" followed by "newgrp - YOURPRIMARYGROUP" |
| 09:59.55 | Filystyn | ok HOW to set favorites in menu bar on Jessie 8.2 |
| 09:59.59 | Filystyn | in gnome classic |
| 10:00.13 | drpresident | ok ill relog real quick, ill most likely be back though |
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| 10:03.30 | drpresident | hey, so i relogged and that didnt work either. |
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| 10:04.35 | babilen | drpresident: Did you try selecting the card explicitly as outlined in the manpage I linked earlier? If so, could you paste your exact commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:06.11 | babilen | (also: did you do *anything* relating to configuring sound? How are you playing sound (as in: which hardware) ?) |
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| 10:08.51 | drpresident | umm I cant think of anything i did to configure it, what should i have done? Im trying to use speaker-test to play sound through the pch card, and I also tried to test sound through the default gnome gui for its settings |
| 10:10.04 | babilen | Okay, one question down, two to go |
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| 10:11.12 | Filystyn | ALACARTE |
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| 10:11.19 | Filystyn | that was the answer thank you anyway cya! |
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| 10:12.03 | Vladimirski | It seems like the hardware clock has broken and the time cannot be changed when I try. Is there any other possibility to change the time? |
| 10:12.11 | drpresident | ok, just posted the paste of two aplay commands and speaker-test, not sure what else you want me to post |
| 10:15.36 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: ntpdate time.nist.gov (or whatever ntp server applies for your location) |
| 10:15.57 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: you could also set the date manually with date |
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| 10:17.00 | babilen | drpresident: Shouldn't that be "speaker-test -Dfront:PCH" ? Also, if you use the default it should play through PA. Did you install pavucontrol? If not: Could you install it, run it and check if you get incoming signals if you run "speaker-test -twav" ? |
| 10:17.26 | drpresident | ok i have it installed, i will try those two commands and see what happens |
| 10:18.02 | Vladimirski | Shadow_7: well that's the issue unfortunately, we have tried ntpdate and just date but the date doesn't change. the command succeeds but the date is still the same as before |
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| 10:18.17 | Vladimirski | something seems to be wrong with the system clock |
| 10:18.36 | babilen | drpresident: Also: What kind of hardware are you using for actually playing sound? |
| 10:18.56 | drpresident | babilen: so neither of those play any sound, im not sure what im looking for for incoming signals on that -twav command |
| 10:19.00 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: as root ... date --set="20160404 04:16:14" |
| 10:19.10 | drpresident | babilen: I hae an intel sound card, if thats what you mean |
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| 10:20.15 | babilen | drpresident: I was rather referring to hardware such as speakers, headphones, ... |
| 10:20.27 | drpresident | oh, speakers |
| 10:20.38 | drpresident | i can try headphones, didnt think to try that |
| 10:20.41 | Vladimirski | Shadow_7: yes I tried just that |
| 10:20.45 | Vladimirski | still same :( |
| 10:21.17 | drpresident | ok, the headphones work perfectly, im getting static from speaker-test -Dfront:PCH |
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| 10:21.36 | drpresident | but when i boot windows my speakers work fine so i dont think it could be a hardware problem |
| 10:21.49 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 10:21.53 | babilen | drpresident: pulseaudio would show if signals are coming in .. are there any "moving" bits in the playback tab? Are your speakers turned on and the volume increased? Could you check the "Configuration" tab in pavucontrol and ensure that the right device is selected? |
| 10:22.10 | babilen | drpresident: Sometimes running "alsactl init" does some magic too |
| 10:22.49 | Vladimirski | Shadow_7: what does that do? :) |
| 10:22.59 | Haxxa | How do I give a user full write access to the location "/mnt/Storage" |
| 10:23.02 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: it sets up your timezones |
| 10:23.08 | babilen | drpresident: Also ensure that HDMI is not selected in the "Output devices" for the correct output device |
| 10:23.08 | Haxxa | root currently can only write to it |
| 10:23.19 | Haxxa | any ideas in terms of fixing this |
| 10:23.47 | drpresident | babilen: under the configuration tab in pavucontrol i have two Built-in Audio seciotns, the first says Digital Stereo (HDMI Output (unplugged) |
| 10:23.52 | Shadow_7 | heh... my above date set April 4... totally breaks SSL in iceweasel |
| 10:23.54 | drpresident | the second says Analog Stereo Duplex |
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| 10:24.38 | Vladimirski | well the debian I run is an old Debian Potato |
| 10:24.42 | Vladimirski | Shadow_7: |
| 10:25.19 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: well that might be an issue. debian 2? I started on debian around woody, debian 3 |
| 10:25.24 | BaBL | oh... Potato... How long i don't here this name |
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| 10:25.44 | babilen | drpresident: Good. Go to "Output Devices" and ensure that the correct output is selected on "Analog Stereo" there. (also that it isn't muted). In the "Playback" tab you can select different output sinks. Which one is selected for speaker-test? |
| 10:26.18 | babilen | drpresident: And did you raise the level? Do you have an incoming signal in the GUI? |
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| 10:27.25 | drpresident | babilen: so, under output devices, i have two sections, one that is hdmi and one that is speakers and neither is muted, and when i move the volume levels of the left and right speakers the bar below flickers |
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| 10:28.11 | drpresident | babilen: im not sure if thats whaat you meant, and then under playback, I only have a section that is system sounds and that is not muted and i turned the volume up |
| 10:28.11 | babilen | Okay, good .. that means that you have an incoming signal. Is the correct output sink selected in the "Playback" tab? (the button next to the "mute" one) |
| 10:28.21 | cromag | Skaag: i just got this now: https://www.observium.org/w/IfAlias_descriptions_on_Debian/Ubuntu |
| 10:28.26 | babilen | drpresident: Does that flicker also? |
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| 10:29.04 | drpresident | um, under playback there is only a single volume bar under system sounds and i have that set at 100%, but that is the only thing i can change. |
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| 10:29.46 | babilen | Fair enough .. does the indicator flicker? |
| 10:30.10 | drpresident | under playback im not sure what indicator you mean |
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| 10:30.42 | babilen | A similar one to the one that flickers in the "Output Devices" tab |
| 10:30.55 | drpresident | there is no bar like that |
| 10:30.58 | babilen | God, supporting GUI programs is horrible. |
| 10:31.33 | drpresident | yeah, its tough |
| 10:31.35 | babilen | Okay, do you have other means to play sound? (e.g. play a movie, youtube, music using a media player, ....) |
| 10:31.52 | drpresident | yeah, i tried youtube and thats when i actually realized i dont have sound |
| 10:32.05 | Vladimirski | Shadow_7: it doesn't seem to be able to change time for some reason, it's always 10 minutes behind from NOW |
| 10:32.13 | babilen | And just to make sure: Your speakers are turned on and the volume has been turned up also? (hardware wise?) They are also plugged in? |
| 10:32.36 | babilen | drpresident: Okay, could you try Youtube again? Do you get a new application playing sound in pavucontrol? |
| 10:32.47 | drpresident | ill try that one second |
| 10:33.17 | drpresident | no nothing changed in pavucontrol, do i need to close and reopen it? |
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| 10:34.06 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: maybe you have some weird timezone setup |
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| 10:35.02 | babilen | drpresident: No, that shouldn't be necessary |
| 10:35.10 | babilen | drpresident: Could you play with, say, vlc? |
| 10:35.14 | drpresident | yeah nothing shows up |
| 10:35.16 | drpresident | ill try that |
| 10:35.21 | babilen | drpresident: And: Are your speakers plugged in and turned on? |
| 10:35.38 | drpresident | yeah they are laptop speakers so they are always plugged in |
| 10:36.13 | gonzalo3 | hi everybody!! how are you opinion about LPIC 2 certification ?? |
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| 10:36.35 | Vladimirski | Shadow_7: nope, doublechecked timezone it's all normal |
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| 10:38.28 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: to show the date as the --set wants it .at least on modern linux. date +"%Y%m%d %H:%M:%S" |
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| 10:39.46 | Guest81294 | dd |
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| 10:39.51 | babilen | drpresident: And did you try running "alsactl init" as root already? (that wasn't clear) |
| 10:40.06 | drpresident | oooh i didnt run as root ill try that |
| 10:40.07 | torn_ | Hi. I have this kind of static binary: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped. I can run it on a Debian 8 amd64 system (with i386 as a foreign arch), but I can't run it on a Debian 8 i386 system! I get an "Illegal instruction" error. |
| 10:40.27 | torn_ | Do you have any hint for me? |
| 10:41.12 | babilen | drpresident: Also: Did you try vlc (or another media application) already? |
| 10:41.22 | drpresident | babilen: so it shows vlc is playing sound, with the bar flicking back and forth but no sound playing |
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| 10:41.42 | babilen | drpresident: Hmm, that means that according to PA music is playing :-/ |
| 10:42.02 | Vladimirski | Shadow_7: yep, tried that too.. |
| 10:42.19 | Haxxa | Please can anyone help me with permissions? |
| 10:42.27 | drpresident | yeah, no sound in speakers, or headphones |
| 10:42.32 | edgo | @ haxxa, what's ye problem? |
| 10:42.41 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Haxxa about ask |
| 10:42.48 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: man date ... it might have had a different syntax back then |
| 10:42.49 | Haxxa | I need to mount a Hard drive with write permissions... |
| 10:43.01 | Haxxa | ChrisH, I already asked and no one answered though... |
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| 10:43.45 | drpresident | babilen: under output devices should it be set to analog output or speaker? |
| 10:43.46 | ChrisH | Haxxa: mounting is rw per default, you need to provide -o ro for read-only. |
| 10:43.47 | Haxxa | I need ti mount the Hard Drive such that all users can write to it... |
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| 10:44.14 | Haxxa | ChrisH, But I need anyone to be able to modify contents - any users |
| 10:44.37 | Haxxa | So that all lxc conatiners and all users can modify the contents |
| 10:44.48 | Haxxa | currently each user can only read fs |
| 10:44.50 | ChrisH | Haxxa: man chmod -> you might be happy with chmod 1777 $MOUNTPOINT |
| 10:45.06 | Haxxa | ChrisH, It has 775 |
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| 10:45.11 | Haxxa | already no good |
| 10:45.22 | Vladimirski | Shadow_7: with strace we can see that the time changes but kernel doesn't do anything..:/ |
| 10:45.26 | Haxxa | I don't need to execute |
| 10:45.37 | Vladimirski | so something is not right in the kernel |
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| 10:45.51 | Haxxa | any ideas? |
| 10:46.08 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -iname '*rtc*' |
| 10:46.32 | Shadow_7 | Vladimirski: and then run modinfo on it |
| 10:46.39 | Deeps | hello all, running debian wheezy and i've got the samba package installed. i've editted the /etc/samba/smb.conf to my liking, and all is well. however, every time that package is upgraded, it warns me that the new package has a new version of smb.conf and that mine has been locally modified, requiring me to manually diff and determine if any upstream changes are warrented in my config. is there a 'better way |
| 10:46.45 | Deeps | ' to manage this, e.g. having my changes in a smb.conf.local or some such file? |
| 10:46.46 | ChrisH | Haxxa: show us more details on paste.debian.net please. include ls -ld $MOUNTPOINT, some details on users, df -h to start with |
| 10:48.01 | markybob | Haxxa, you realize that the last "5" means read and execute? no write |
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| 10:49.08 | Haxxa | markybob, yes |
| 10:49.23 | markybob | Haxxa, so how do you expect every user to write when you're giving them 5? |
| 10:49.26 | Haxxa | chmod 775 will give full r/w access |
| 10:49.46 | markybob | Haxxa, not to everyone. Haxxa, read this https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/309527-understanding-linux-file-permissions |
| 10:50.22 | Haxxa | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/359467/ |
| 10:50.43 | Deeps | 775 gives rwx to user that owns, rwx to group that owns, and rx to all other users |
| 10:50.59 | markybob | right. no write. :P |
| 10:51.15 | Deeps | assuming the paste is the files and directories in question, it looks like the user owner is root, the group owner is root, so only members of root user/group can write to those paths |
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| 10:52.55 | Haxxa | Deeps, I don't want to have 777 permissions though as I don't want execution rights also I remember I never had to use chmod 777 in the past - somehow I changed the way I mounted the drive - also heaps of lxc containers need access to these files and having 777 permissions is bad practise here |
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| 10:53.15 | markybob | Haxxa, so use 6 instead of 7 |
| 10:53.28 | drpresident | babilen: I think im gonna call it a night and work on this more tomorrow, thank you so much for your time and work I think i made some good headway thanks to you |
| 10:53.37 | markybob | Haxxa, read the article i sent you |
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| 10:53.44 | Haxxa | markybob, I have |
| 10:53.45 | Deeps | 4 = read, 2 = write, 1 = execute. add the perms you want to produce your number |
| 10:54.00 | markybob | Haxxa, you said 775. not 6 anywhere |
| 10:54.10 | babilen | drpresident: yeah, but I'm not sure where to go from here .. it is also hard to support this as I can't really see what's going on. So far the signs have been good though .. |
| 10:54.32 | Haxxa | markybob, no but I never had to set those permissions in the past |
| 10:54.39 | Deeps | directories need to be executible if you want people to be able to change into them |
| 10:54.51 | ChrisH | Haxxa: man chown/chgrp might be an option, too. as you did not show all details I asked for " some details on users" we cannot recommend a reasonable solution |
| 10:54.51 | drpresident | babilen: yeah im at a loss also. I hope i can get it working but its too late i need to sleep! thanks so much again |
| 10:54.53 | fcp14 | hello after update i have problems with my boot appears to fsck /dev/sda1 |
| 10:55.29 | Haxxa | ChrisH, apart from default debian users and root that is it |
| 10:55.40 | fcp14 | and when end that fsck i start my debian with kde and appears some infos of write protected :( |
| 10:55.45 | fcp14 | anyone can help please |
| 10:55.48 | Deeps | guessing nobody has any ideas about my 'correct way to edit smb.conf' query then |
| 10:56.23 | Haxxa | I have created no other users or added any groups or installed anything which would do this |
| 10:56.25 | moldy | how do i *completely*, *cleanly* reinstall a mysql server? |
| 10:56.26 | ChrisH | fcp14: Failing Harddisk? |
| 10:56.34 | moldy | including all configuration files and data? |
| 10:56.40 | fcp14 | ChrisH i think soo |
| 10:56.42 | markybob | Haxxa, great. your permissions are still wrong. |
| 10:56.54 | Deeps | moldy: apt-get purge <packagename> should remove everything |
| 10:57.01 | moldy | Deeps: should, but doesn't |
| 10:57.08 | ChrisH | fcp14:then replace the disk, recover from backup and continue to work. |
| 10:57.13 | Deeps | moldy: look in /var/lib/ if there's anything still in there |
| 10:57.15 | fcp14 | yap :( |
| 10:57.15 | moldy | Deeps: i keep running into error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 10:57.19 | fcp14 | thanks ChrisH |
| 10:57.28 | moldy | Deeps: i ran rm -rf /var/lib/mysql |
| 10:57.35 | moldy | apparently i am still missing something... |
| 10:57.47 | ChrisH | fcp14: check smartctl and output from dmesg. might show usefull hints |
| 10:57.52 | Deeps | moldy: also check for existence of files/dirs matching /etc/default/mysql* and /etc/mysql* |
| 10:58.05 | Haxxa | markybob, I am not changing permissions to 777 or 776 as I know I didn't do this is the past whether I added a group with permissions to this directory I don't knwo but I need it such that when root creates a new file in the folder it will be able to be modified even though it has default permissions not 777 |
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| 10:58.22 | Haxxa | by any user |
| 10:58.26 | moldy | Deeps: thanks, will check that |
| 10:58.29 | moldy | this is a PITA :( |
| 10:58.36 | Haxxa | and the lxc containers need to have access to it |
| 10:58.44 | markybob | Haxxa, if you think you can modify a file by any user with 775...god bless you |
| 10:58.44 | moldy | why is there no apt-get purge --yes-really :( |
| 10:58.57 | ChrisH | Haxxa: last time: man chown and/or man chgrp |
| 10:59.01 | moldy | i am almost tempted to reinstall the entire box... |
| 10:59.16 | Deeps | moldy: generally it will, unless you've run something that has done something strange |
| 10:59.30 | moldy | Deeps: of course i did, that is why i want to do this in the first place. |
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| 10:59.39 | Deeps | moldy: haha, gotcha |
| 10:59.44 | markybob | Haxxa, we've shown you the docs. that's all we can do. you can fight all you want. won't make it so. |
| 10:59.59 | moldy | this feels like windows. if only this stupid app supported postgres... |
| 11:00.52 | edgo | haxxa try setting permissions with letters |
| 11:03.01 | Haxxa | markybob, I'm not fighting, I want to find what I was at before and I need help to do that I want to provide more info until I figure this out - simply "man command" isn't helpful as I know how to change groups how to take ownership, how to modify permissiosn but none of these outcomes is what I aim to do - please bare with me as I explain this the best as I can before jumping to a statement of I gave this answer thats it - I |
| 11:03.01 | Haxxa | work in retail and often to get to a common ground of knowledge communication is needed and I really need to figure this out as this server is complex in all the lxc containers and vms it has |
| 11:03.46 | XeonSquared | Is there a way to specify the mount options and mountpoint for /target? |
| 11:03.47 | markybob | Haxxa, i didn't tell you to man anything. i linked you to an article which explained everything very clearly. |
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| 11:04.02 | XeonSquared | Specifically I want to install debian into an encrypted btrfs subvolume |
| 11:04.07 | Shadow_7 | XeonSquared: like /etc/fstab ? |
| 11:04.09 | Haxxa | markybob, and I read that and still thats not the outcome |
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| 11:04.24 | XeonSquared | Shadow_7, no I mean in the installer |
| 11:04.35 | Haxxa | markybob, if root creates a new file on /mnt/Storage no users can touch it and this is undesirable |
| 11:04.35 | XeonSquared | I need to specify subvol= and I need to open the dm-crypt container to access said FS |
| 11:04.39 | markybob | Haxxa, you cannot have write for everyone with 775. i don't know how much simpler i can state it |
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| 11:05.06 | markybob | Haxxa, yeah, because then it's owned by root |
| 11:05.14 | Haxxa | markybob, yes but before I could |
| 11:05.32 | Haxxa | any new file created on the hdd could be deleteted or created by any user |
| 11:05.41 | moldy | now i apparently have a database that is "too empty". argh argh argh. this is worse than windows. |
| 11:05.44 | Haxxa | this is how nI had it before |
| 11:06.04 | markybob | Haxxa, was it a dumbass fs like vfat that doesn't have owners? and now you're trying with ext4 or something? |
| 11:06.57 | Haxxa | markybob, no it was always ext4 |
| 11:07.12 | Haxxa | lvm over 3-4 hdds ususally |
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| 11:07.20 | markybob | i don't believe you. ext4 will never let root file be deleted by any user with 775 |
| 11:07.23 | XeonSquared | for my SMB stuff I have a cronjob every 5 minutes to change every file to 555 |
| 11:07.23 | Haxxa | never vfat or stupid ms fs |
| 11:07.35 | markybob | Haxxa, that's not true. can't happen |
| 11:07.54 | Haxxa | markybob, yes it was - because of how I had it setup |
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| 11:08.02 | Haxxa | I'm not sure how I get back there |
| 11:08.11 | markybob | Haxxa, you don't. |
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| 11:08.49 | Haxxa | worse case I'll make a stupid cronjob that chmods all every 10 minuted |
| 11:09.00 | Haxxa | but this is ridiculous |
| 11:09.04 | markybob | Haxxa, if you figure it out you can hack any server in the world and make millions. good luck |
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| 11:11.10 | Shadow_7 | Some people don't even run cron |
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| 11:12.06 | Haxxa | markybob, Maybe I had some messed up setting or my ram had radiation hit it and it flipped a bit causing this to happen but I tell you this is how it was regardless of your believe - maybe root had a bashrc forcing all files to be 775 - I don't know but it was how I descibed - any file any user no issues |
| 11:12.18 | tjcarter | Under mother systemd, cron runs you! |
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| 11:12.44 | Haxxa | my grammar is going - I worked 11 hours today so sorry |
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| 11:14.45 | tjcarter | don't mind me, I'm reading a book in which several major characters are Russian soviets. |
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| 11:15.43 | lilibox | hi |
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| 11:17.24 | lilibox | i tried to compile some tools and always get the same error |
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| 11:17.39 | lilibox | fatal error: glib.h: No such file or directory |
| 11:18.16 | lilibox | i checked out my system and apt-get confirmed libglib2.0-dev is installed in the latest version |
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| 11:19.01 | lilibox | please, how to fix that? i use Debian for almost 4 years, and I had no such problems before, well, my distro is 2 days new |
| 11:19.52 | lilibox | pretty thank you for any tips |
| 11:19.55 | tjcarter | Sounds like an include path error |
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| 11:20.27 | ChrisH | libglib2.0-dev: /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h |
| 11:20.37 | lilibox | i also tried: pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0 |
| 11:20.44 | ChrisH | so it might be include glib-2.0/glib.h |
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| 11:21.01 | venkat_330 | setting up dual display with debian8 : Not able to control display between my HDMI and LVDS port. Recently , installed debian 8.2 stable with LXDE. Afetr the boot i notice only HDMI output in the system. When i try to turn my LVDS ON the display is blank. But, during boot till BIOS screen i was able to see the LVDS display working. xrandr info : http://pastebin.com/pJ7DWGuZ .Request some guidance. |
| 11:21.03 | lilibox | and got this; -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -lglib-2.0 |
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| 11:21.30 | iresf | do you know any free proxy for debian ? i am in iran and i can not visit android developer website |
| 11:22.12 | tjcarter | lilibox: you need to make sure that -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 is part of your compile line |
| 11:22.52 | lilibox | i doubt |
| 11:23.31 | Ticho | stop doubting, read the documentation |
| 11:23.32 | Ticho | https://developer.gnome.org/glib/stable/glib-compiling.html |
| 11:23.32 | lilibox | but i never had problem with this before, ie i compiled each 3 days skypeweb finch plugin |
| 11:23.56 | lilibox | and it always worked, isn't it probably in some bad environment paths? |
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| 11:24.11 | tjcarter | If you have a glib.h, and it's in /usr/include/glib-2.0 as it needs to be, and if your compiler can't see it, that's the fix. |
| 11:25.05 | tjcarter | The other possibility is that this code is written for an old version of glib from before that file was in glib-2.0 |
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| 11:25.50 | Ticho | wouldn't that be old glib-1.2 ? |
| 11:25.59 | lilibox | hm, well, maybe, i forgot to tell, until 2 days ago, i used whezzy and now i am on the latest jessie |
| 11:26.01 | Ticho | that one had glib-config instead of pkg-config |
| 11:26.45 | lilibox | i had attempt to built this: https://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin/tree/master/skypeweb |
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| 11:27.45 | tjcarter | Oh dear, cmake |
| 11:27.57 | tjcarter | pkg_check_modules(GLIB REQUIRED glib-2.0) |
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| 11:28.24 | tjcarter | That's in order. |
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| 11:29.20 | Haxxa | I really like debian on my servers its been very reliable and good move from ubuntu |
| 11:29.31 | Ticho | tjcarter: default compile instructions do not even mention cmake, just make, using the provided Makefile |
| 11:29.39 | lilibox | yes |
| 11:29.55 | lilibox | and i had the same errors i tried to build icecat from source |
| 11:30.07 | lilibox | again, i had no problems before |
| 11:30.49 | tjcarter | Is glib.h really there? |
| 11:30.51 | Ticho | do you actually have the file /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h ? |
| 11:31.01 | lilibox | unfortunatelly, i must go out of puter for hour, i would like to continue try fix for my problems after that, is it possible|? |
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| 11:31.12 | lilibox | Ticho lemme check it |
| 11:31.27 | lilibox | yes |
| 11:31.33 | lilibox | i tried cat /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h |
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| 11:32.56 | Ticho | no idea then |
| 11:33.14 | lilibox | could i force reisntall it by apt-get? |
| 11:33.46 | tjcarter | you could, but if it's there, that's not the problem |
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| 11:34.38 | lilibox | can you try build that skypeweb on your side? |
| 11:34.48 | lilibox | if you are on standard jessie amd64? |
| 11:35.04 | tjcarter | At the moment, I'm not even on a Linux machine |
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| 11:36.26 | Ticho | what does following command output? echo '#include <glib.h>' | gcc -x c - `pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0` |
| 11:39.33 | lilibox | /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.9/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 11:39.47 | lilibox | (.text+0x20): undefined reference to `main' |
| 11:40.01 | lilibox | collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:40.04 | lilibox | these 3 lines |
| 11:40.13 | Ticho | then your glib is installed just fine, the problem is in skypeweb makefile somewhere |
| 11:40.23 | Shadow_7 | lilibox: so the linker had trouble. Is pkg-config installed? |
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| 11:40.36 | lilibox | Shadow_7: yes |
| 11:40.47 | Ticho | I get "<stdin>:1:18: fatal error: glib.h: No such file or directory" on a system where glib development package is not installed |
| 11:41.01 | lilibox | version 0.28 exactly |
| 11:41.58 | iresf | how to find installed virtualbox on debian ? i can not see it in menu or i can not open it in terminal but it has installed |
| 11:42.03 | Ticho | Shadow_7: the last output lilibox pasted out was from compiling a dud code, it was meant to throw out that error |
| 11:42.19 | towo^work | iresf, apt install virtualbox-qt |
| 11:42.35 | Shadow_7 | Ticho: erros can be corrected though. Intentional or not. |
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| 11:42.55 | venkat_330 | Shadow_7: setting up dual display with debian8 : Not able to control display between my HDMI and LVDS port. Recently , installed debian 8.2 stable with LXDE. Afetr the boot i notice only HDMI output in the system. When i try to turn my LVDS ON the display is blank. But, during boot till BIOS screen i was able to see the LVDS display working. xrandr info : http://pastebin.com/pJ7DWGuZ .Request some guidance. |
| 11:43.16 | Shadow_7 | lilibox: you can sometimes bypass linker erros with a beefy LIBS=" -lxyz -labc " addition to the make |
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| 11:43.36 | Ticho | Shadow_7: the problem lilibox is working on is not a linker error at all |
| 11:43.46 | lilibox | Shadow_7 yes, but i am on fresh system |
| 11:43.55 | Ticho | lilibox: can you pastebin a complete output from running make for that skypeweb thing? |
| 11:44.06 | lilibox | i am finishing install of the last packages, there should not be broken things yet |
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| 11:44.34 | lilibox | and i tried act very carefully basicaly everuthing i was requiested for were installed over apt-get only |
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| 11:44.45 | lilibox | Ticho sure hold on |
| 11:45.01 | Ticho | lilibox: just to be sure - use pastebin.com, do not paste into this channel directly :) |
| 11:46.05 | Shadow_7 | venkat_330: don't know why you directed that at me, but xrandr looks good. $ xbacklight -set 50% |
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| 11:46.13 | lilibox | Ticho, yes, 3 lines is my limit |
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| 11:46.24 | lilibox | btw, i forgot how to redirect output to file? |
| 11:46.31 | lilibox | btw, i forgot how to redirect output to file |
| 11:46.42 | Ticho | blah > file |
| 11:46.43 | lilibox | no it was not question, i am sure i forgot it :) |
| 11:46.50 | Ticho | :) |
| 11:46.53 | Shadow_7 | lilibox: postfix with ... 2>&1 | tee logfile.txt |
| 11:48.35 | lilibox | here it is : http://93.99.40.10/logfile.txt |
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| 11:48.55 | Ticho | ah, notice the first few lines |
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| 11:49.52 | Ticho | if you look at skypeweb's Makefile, it calls pkg-config only once for all the packages it needs to look up via pkg-config - so if one of them is missing, output from pkg-config gets mangled, and therefore can't be passed to gcc as compile flags |
| 11:49.56 | lilibox | omg, sorry |
| 11:50.00 | Ticho | in your case, you're missing the json-glib package |
| 11:50.18 | lilibox | i read just first part of json.. and stopped |
| 11:50.51 | lilibox | i didn't see -glib after those first chars |
| 11:51.28 | Ticho | oops :) |
| 11:51.30 | venkat_330 | Shadow_7: Last week you helped me with something (Debootstrap installation) ..Thogh you might help |
| 11:51.36 | lilibox | damn, no, wait, not so easy |
| 11:51.40 | lilibox | i am realy trouble maker |
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| 11:53.31 | Ticho | installing libjson-glib-dev should help |
| 11:54.56 | Shadow_7 | lilibox: I assume that libglib2.0-dev is installed |
| 11:55.07 | venkat_330 | Shadow_7: RANDR Query Version returned error -1 |
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| 11:55.12 | lilibox | yes, it works now |
| 11:55.20 | lilibox | thank you guys for your serevices |
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| 11:55.35 | Ticho | cheers :) |
| 11:56.04 | lilibox | well, i hope i didn't ran out quota for another questions here :) |
| 11:56.06 | Shadow_7 | When I compiled povray on my pi B, I had to suppliment it with a lot of -I/../... and -lxyz type stuffs |
| 11:56.38 | lilibox | i feel kinda stupid, sorry |
| 11:56.38 | Shadow_7 | I could have probably adjusted some $PATH stuff and avoided that |
| 11:57.59 | Ticho | lilibox: happens to everyone |
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| 11:59.00 | Shadow_7 | venkat_330: video driver in play? |
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| 12:02.12 | ntz | hello |
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| 12:03.13 | Filystyn | s |
| 12:03.15 | Filystyn | How to enable rightclicking on icons in the program bar in gnome classic (for example using dconf or anything else) |
| 12:03.16 | ntz | I need a kind of special purpose server where is limited a internal drive size .... what's please the minimal size that will allow me to run X (eg twm) + services like httpd, mysqld + cifs ? |
| 12:03.26 | ntz | in debian ofc .... |
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| 12:03.46 | jelly | ntz: X on a server? |
| 12:03.53 | ntz | in my favourite distros like fedora or suse it's rather too much .... |
| 12:03.59 | venkat_330 | Shadow_7: Means??http://pastebin.com/Zf0K7D6X |
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| 12:04.02 | Filystyn | HELP |
| 12:04.11 | venkat_330 | posted lspci info |
| 12:04.22 | ntz | jelly: badly used term ... will be home media center |
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| 12:04.32 | ntz | + NAS |
| 12:05.09 | ntz | jelly: on the motherboard I have is 2GB built-in ssd |
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| 12:05.23 | Shadow_7 | venkat_330: so intel then. |
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| 12:05.52 | venkat_330 | Shadow_7: Yes |
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| 12:07.34 | Shadow_7 | venkat_330: so maybe... $ xrandr --output LVDS-0 --mode 1024x768 --output DVI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-1 --mode 1920x1080 --noprimary --auto |
| 12:07.40 | jelly | ntz: that's not much. while the software needed will take maybe 1GB, the size of your databases is unknown at this point |
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| 12:08.06 | matt_keys | is it possible to stripe lvm upon deb 8 install? |
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| 12:08.11 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 12:08.14 | jelly | ntz: I wouldn't use it at all, except for /boot maybe |
| 12:08.41 | Filystyn | How to enable rightclicking on icons in the program bar in gnome classic (for example using dconf or anything else) |
| 12:08.44 | ntz | jelly: I realize that point so I'll have things like that (a db root and docuroot for httpd) on normal storage drives supposed for iscsi/cifs |
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| 12:09.05 | Shadow_7 | venkat_330: otherwise you might try arandr to fiddle |
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| 12:09.31 | ntz | jelly: let's expect, that I'll have whole /var on normal disks, on internal ssd will be the rest |
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| 12:10.25 | ntz | anyhow, I guess it might fit to 2GB without /var, isn't it ? |
| 12:10.39 | ntz | including X + some lightweight DE |
| 12:11.21 | ntz | suse wants something like 4G for its minimal X pattern |
| 12:11.26 | jelly | ntz: yes |
| 12:11.33 | ntz | cool, thanks ..... |
| 12:11.48 | matt_keys | better question - is there a way to stripe a lvm lv that is currently mounted as root? |
| 12:12.16 | jelly | ntz: install minimal system, then add things you need |
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| 12:13.06 | ntz | jelly: my option B was to deploy knoppix there + configure for it debian repos .... |
| 12:13.07 | Shadow_7 | sitting at about 3.3G's on my new laptops install, but 1G of that is likely .deb's and browser cache. |
| 12:13.07 | jelly | matt_keys: probably, assuming you have space to create stripe over a couple PVs. I'd ask in #lvm |
| 12:13.34 | jelly | ntz: noone will want to support such a system |
| 12:13.38 | ntz | Shadow_7: I have /var on raid1 that will be used as a datastore |
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| 12:13.43 | ntz | **i'll have |
| 12:13.53 | tite12345 | Hello guys |
| 12:13.55 | matt_keys | jelly: thanks, this is a fresh installation so plenty of free available but deb gui installer didn't stripe by default (or have an option for that from what I recall) |
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| 12:14.06 | tite12345 | I think I lost access to my login manager or window or whatever that's called. |
| 12:14.10 | inframare | How should I unpair (permanently) bluetooth devices on the comman dline? |
| 12:14.26 | tite12345 | Whenever I boot, I am stuck with logging in from tty then running startx. |
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| 12:14.39 | tite12345 | Not to mention I have multiple DE's. |
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| 12:14.54 | tite12345 | Could someone help me get back my login manager? |
| 12:15.39 | tite12345 | I think me doing some command like 'systemctl disable gdm3 && systemctl enable kdm' have something to do with it? |
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| 12:16.30 | ntz | tite12345: systemd™ is not starting/stopping services on disable/enable actions |
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| 12:17.03 | ntz | thanks to the teenage experts :) |
| 12:17.33 | tite12345 | ntz: Ah |
| 12:17.38 | tite12345 | Hmm |
| 12:17.52 | Shadow_7 | ntz: via service or systemctl? service <service> stop ... systemctl stop <service> |
| 12:18.30 | Shadow_7 | inconsistencies out of the box... *sigh* |
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| 12:20.07 | ntz | tite12345: just enable/disable units you want and start/stop them afterwards |
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| 12:26.12 | inframare | Ah, bluetoothctl... |
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| 12:44.54 | Filystyn | guys i fixed everything! |
| 12:44.56 | Filystyn | :> |
| 12:44.59 | Filystyn | so happy ;> |
| 12:45.03 | Filystyn | thank you all |
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| 12:46.39 | jelly | Filystyn: how did you fix it? |
| 12:46.56 | Filystyn | well |
| 12:47.32 | Filystyn | the main problem was that earlier what i used as gnome classinc turned out to be after updated labeled as gnome tarditional |
| 12:47.42 | Filystyn | and gnome classic was something else |
| 12:48.06 | Filystyn | but to actualy add something in gnome classic the easiest way was to go to gnome ad there add it |
| 12:48.08 | Filystyn | heh\ |
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| 12:49.25 | Filystyn | i would probably leave gnome ages ago but im kind of used to it |
| 12:49.39 | Filystyn | pretty sure kde would be better for me |
| 12:49.58 | Shadow_7 | I never really got into gnome or kde. But I've never really had "beefy" hardware |
| 12:51.09 | Shadow_7 | and the older it gets, the more I value RAM and CPU cycles. |
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| 12:52.14 | Filystyn | + for not buying new shit |
| 12:52.22 | Shadow_7 | I basically had to ditch the old dell inspiron 1150 for another hp stream 11. 512MB ram, even with a 2.8GHz P4 just wasn't gui-able anymore |
| 12:52.26 | Filystyn | im running on 1 gb ram ;) |
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| 12:53.07 | Filystyn | not sure chrome would even be able to work on my laptop hue |
| 12:53.27 | Shadow_7 | at least with modern ads that chew up more resources than the video they get attached to. |
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| 12:55.38 | Filystyn | Shadow_7 your using xfce? |
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| 12:56.21 | Shadow_7 | cwm, but I used IceWM for ages. |
| 12:56.32 | teraflops | it's all becuse the web, browsers are like oses inside oses, js and all that shit |
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| 12:57.29 | Shadow_7 | I was having to watch youtube in theater mode to bump the ad offscreen |
| 12:57.36 | teraflops | a full tiny wm/de just use less than 200MB of ram, just open the web browser and the fans start to blow |
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| 12:58.16 | teraflops | ...and your ram is gone |
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| 12:58.38 | Filystyn | well iceweasel takes ~200 mb ram when running. |
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| 12:58.51 | Filystyn | for me |
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| 12:59.26 | teraflops | Filystyn: just start to open tabs |
| 12:59.48 | Filystyn | it actualy stays at same level |
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| 13:00.06 | nidhoegger | Hi. I have sort of a minor issue. I am trying to use xboxdrv for my Xbox 360 wireless gamepads. It all works normally just fine, but after a while of using it (differs from 5 minutes to 1 hour), i get this: ERROR] USBController::on_read_data(): USB read failure: 32: LIBUSB_TRANSFER_STALL |
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| 13:00.14 | nidhoegger | google doesnt bring up anything to this issue |
| 13:00.29 | teraflops | also depends on what youre browsing, anyway it's hard to believe in a clean default firefox/iceweasel |
| 13:00.31 | ptman | Hi! I'm repeatedly getting W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex Hash Sum mismatch |
| 13:00.42 | ptman | and have for a couple of days now |
| 13:00.58 | ptman | so apparently a mirror isn't in good shape |
| 13:01.02 | ptman | what should I do about it? |
| 13:01.30 | SynrGy | teraflops: you might be interested to learn of this new effort: https://wiki.debian.org/FluxBox/Blend |
| 13:01.49 | nidhoegger | ptam: apt-get clean && rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* && apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:01.57 | teraflops | SynrGy: hmm, thanks for the link |
| 13:02.19 | nidhoegger | ptman, sorry, not ptam |
| 13:02.19 | SynrGy | teraflops: still very early, haven't produced anything yet, but nice idea |
| 13:02.28 | teraflops | SynrGy: sure it's |
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| 13:02.37 | ptman | nidhoegger, I've done that, but the problem is that I get a corrupt file from the mirror |
| 13:02.38 | nidhoegger | ptman: after this you might want to do a apt-get -f install to correct issues that occured |
| 13:02.46 | nidhoegger | then message the mirror maintainer |
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| 13:05.05 | Shadow_7 | ptman: is the date on the device accurate? otherwise change sources.list to use a different mirror (if only temporarily). |
| 13:05.36 | ptman | Shadow_7, it should be, has ntp |
| 13:05.38 | ptman | thanks |
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| 13:21.50 | nindustries | Hi, when doing an apt-get install apache2, is mod_proxy_wstunnel installed too? |
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| 13:23.49 | jelly | judd: file mod_proxy_wstunnel.* |
| 13:23.53 | judd | Search for mod_proxy_wstunnel.* in jessie/amd64: apache2-bin: usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_wstunnel.so; apache2-doc: usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/da/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/de/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/en/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/es/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, |
| 13:23.54 | judd | usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/fr/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ja/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ko/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/pt-br/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/tr/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html, usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/zh-cn/mod/mod_proxy_wstunnel.html; apache2-dbg: (1 more message) |
| 13:24.14 | jelly | nindustries: "apache2-bin" says yes. |
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| 13:24.59 | gonzalo3 | Hi!! I have a debian system that not shutdown the computer... what could be the problem?? I have a ATI graphic card and I think it could be the problem... |
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| 13:25.38 | Shadow_7 | gonzalo3: the syntax of shutdown changed with systemd... was: shutdown -h -P now ... is now: shutdown -H -P +0 |
| 13:25.51 | Filystyn | what is actualy main differance between aptitude and apt-get ? |
| 13:26.04 | jelly | Filystyn: read /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 13:26.09 | Shadow_7 | Filystyn: aptitude lets you use more generic names |
| 13:26.23 | nindustries | jelly: hm.. ERROR: Module proxy_wstunnel does not exist! |
| 13:26.36 | nindustries | in a2enmod headers dav dav_fs ssl auth_digest proxy proxy_http proxy_wstunnel |
| 13:26.51 | jelly | nindustries: which debian release are you using? |
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| 13:27.36 | nindustries | debian:wheezy |
| 13:27.45 | nindustries | ah, need to change that to jessie maybe? |
| 13:27.54 | jelly | judd: file mod_proxy_wstunnel.so --release wheezy |
| 13:27.57 | judd | No packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 13:28.05 | jelly | nindustries: seems so |
| 13:28.15 | nindustries | judd: file mod_proxy_wstunnel.so --release jessie |
| 13:28.19 | judd | Search for mod_proxy_wstunnel.so in jessie/amd64: apache2-bin: usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_wstunnel.so; apache2-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_wstunnel.so |
| 13:28.24 | nindustries | hm, alright |
| 13:28.27 | nindustries | then i'll change it, thanks jelly |
| 13:28.32 | jelly | install jessie. |
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| 13:28.50 | nindustries | yah |
| 13:28.57 | nindustries | jessie > wheezy ? |
| 13:29.02 | jelly | !jessie |
| 13:29.03 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.2>. |
| 13:29.10 | nindustries | ok ^^ |
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| 13:30.27 | geoffr | Hi all, I'm trying to build a deb and during the build I want to mv some of the compiled binaries to a new location, I have tried the commands in the "override_dh_auto_build" and while they show on screen during the build the mv and install commands don't actually execute |
| 13:30.35 | geoffr | any tips or hints? |
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| 13:32.02 | gonzalo3 | Shadow_7: I will try. Thanks |
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| 13:35.37 | Shadow_7 | geoffr: you could use lndir to keep your build files separate from the sources |
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| 13:37.23 | nataukao | hi |
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| 13:38.27 | nataukao | about Ian Murdock, i found this interesting website: http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=7aa_1451521842 |
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| 13:39.57 | AlexPortable | I'm using debian netinstall, what is the best way to install sound driver or something to get sound? |
| 13:40.07 | AlexPortable | I don't need to adjust volumes, as long as it work's it's fine |
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| 13:40.53 | jelly | AlexPortable: alsa-utils ought to be enough |
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| 13:42.06 | nataukao | search for your sound card and if it is supported |
| 13:42.14 | jelly | nataukao: we know about the tweets. As per topic, keep the comments on this to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:44.29 | AlexPortable | jelly: debian is guest vm |
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| 14:01.01 | lilibox | hi i am back again |
| 14:02.25 | lilibox | checking for GL/glx.h... no - so, which dev package is the best to install, i am on debian jessie amd64, puter's HW is intel ATOM with integrated gfx, which is used remotely, i need graphic mode just for icecat over x11vnc |
| 14:03.37 | blind | My unicode characters really broke after the last kernel upgrade. They no longer render properly and in the case of some symbols, throw off other lines of text in my terminal. I was using unifont with great luck before the kernel update... any thoughts? |
| 14:04.16 | ChrisH | lilibox: apt-file search GL/glx.h ; might need: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update |
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| 14:06.21 | lilibox | i did it and it offers me few option |
| 14:06.22 | lilibox | s |
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| 14:06.41 | lilibox | so that is reason why i am asking here |
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| 14:07.19 | blind | My apt-file only gives me 'mesa-common-dev' for GL/glx.h |
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| 14:07.44 | AlexPortable | anyone can help me out with my sound? I don't know if the problem is on the debian side or the virtualbox side |
| 14:08.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell AlexPortable about alsa checklist |
| 14:09.07 | ChrisH | lilibox: I only have one option: mesa-common-dev: /usr/include/GL/glx.h |
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| 14:09.22 | lilibox | i got 5 lines originaly |
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| 14:10.09 | ChrisH | lilibox: show it on paste.debian.net please.. command and result |
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| 14:10.13 | lilibox | 3 were something like mingc and one something with core in name, too bad ./configure rollout it from buffer already |
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| 14:11.12 | AlexPortable | jelly: 1) my user is in the audio group already, rebooted 10 times for now 2) channels are unmuted and raised 3) how to check if daemon is stopped? 4) yes speakers are on, it's a guest vm but it's not reporting playing any sound 5) yes it works, plays fine but I don't hear anything 6) no oss4 installed, so nothing to purge (unable to locate |
| 14:11.12 | AlexPortable | package oss4) |
| 14:11.25 | lilibox | i installed apt-file and used search command, after apt-file update and search again, 5 lines were reduced to one |
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| 14:13.06 | jelly | AlexPortable: 3) checking for nonexistence of a pulseaudio process is enough |
| 14:13.23 | AlexPortable | pulseaudio wasn't installed |
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| 14:13.39 | jelly | even better |
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| 14:14.15 | Haxxa | How do I make it so that all files in a folder are always read-write and execute for anyone? |
| 14:14.27 | jelly | AlexPortable: do you have sound with host os? |
| 14:14.34 | AlexPortable | jelly: yes |
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| 14:14.46 | jelly | no idea then |
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| 14:15.00 | AlexPortable | only not in this debian netinstall vm |
| 14:15.04 | AlexPortable | normal debian with gui or ubuntu with gui is fine |
| 14:16.26 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: what does the /proc/asound/cards say for the vm? |
| 14:16.46 | AlexPortable | comamnd not found |
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| 14:16.59 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 14:17.03 | AlexPortable | ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH |
| 14:17.14 | AlexPortable | Intel 82801AA-ICH with STAC9700,83,94 at irq 21 |
| 14:17.34 | Shadow_7 | no index #'s at the front? |
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| 14:17.44 | Shadow_7 | 0 is the default card by default |
| 14:17.45 | AlexPortable | 0 [I82801AAICH] |
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| 14:19.07 | ChrisH | Haxxa: the answer is still chmod 777 . or the use ACLs. Independent how often you ask. |
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| 14:20.46 | AlexPortable | Shadow_7: it's 0 index |
| 14:20.55 | fcp14 | hello, i'm trying to run icedove and appears that msg 'Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 639: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed! |
| 14:20.55 | fcp14 | ' |
| 14:20.59 | Haxxa | ChrisH, ACL was the answer I was looking for, I have already set 777 permissions but new files are comming up as 644 and 755 |
| 14:21.14 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: and alsamixer -c 0 + in the audio groups has desired settings? |
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| 14:22.05 | AlexPortable | Shadow_7: yes |
| 14:22.10 | ChrisH | Haxxa: ACL is the ugly way to do it, and the result is the same as 777 does in an easier to understand way |
| 14:22.39 | AlexPortable | when I mute pulseaudio it works |
| 14:22.45 | ChrisH | Haxxa: the answer for the new files is use umask properly... or ACLs (again the uglier way) |
| 14:22.50 | Haxxa | ChrisH, yes but what about the new files that are created by automated downloading software |
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| 14:23.04 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: on the host machine? pulse hogs the device |
| 14:23.12 | AlexPortable | no on the guest |
| 14:23.16 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: might need the pulse .asoundrc setup |
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| 14:23.26 | AlexPortable | is that a command? |
| 14:23.28 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: what is outputting the sound? |
| 14:23.41 | AlexPortable | alsamixer on card intel 0 |
| 14:23.54 | ChrisH | Haxxa: fix the download script to assign correct permissions on reboot... and the download jobs getr their umask from their parent |
| 14:23.55 | AlexPortable | when I unmute pulseaudio it stops working |
| 14:23.59 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: .asoundrc is a per user config file |
| 14:24.00 | AlexPortable | should i remove pulseaudio? |
| 14:24.15 | AlexPortable | Where is it located? |
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| 14:24.55 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: you could just change /etc/pulse/client.conf and change autorespawn to = no |
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| 14:25.02 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: and pulseaudio --kill |
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| 14:25.11 | zleap | hi |
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| 14:25.30 | AlexPortable | yes but i had to install pulseaudio |
| 14:25.31 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: the .asoundrc goes in ~/ so ~/.asoundrc |
| 14:25.32 | AlexPortable | is it safe to remove it? |
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| 14:25.44 | AlexPortable | or wont i have any sound then? |
| 14:25.49 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: why did you "HAVE TO" ? |
| 14:26.00 | AlexPortable | dpkg said in sound debugging |
| 14:26.00 | dpkg | AlexPortable: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:26.05 | AlexPortable | 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? |
| 14:26.11 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: alsa == sound driver... pulseaudio == sound daemon to help dumb apps share |
| 14:26.25 | AlexPortable | so I do need pulseaudio |
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| 14:26.50 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: sometimes... skype / or if you need to use jackd for jackeq and want youtube to still have audio |
| 14:27.03 | AlexPortable | I only use the browser |
| 14:27.09 | zleap | how do i enable non free repositories in jessie so i can install realtek wireless drivers |
| 14:27.18 | zleap | i know how to edit the sources.list file |
| 14:27.27 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: java is by default setup to use pulseaudio |
| 14:27.32 | AlexPortable | html5 |
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| 14:28.07 | Mathisen | zleap, http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 14:28.48 | nkuttler | zleap: man 5 sources.list |
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| 14:30.40 | blind | dpkg, tell zleap about non-free sources |
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| 14:32.57 | Shadow_7 | AlexPortable: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup/ |
| 14:34.00 | zleap | thanks |
| 14:34.08 | Shadow_7 | There used to similar documentation on jacks site, but search engines aren't finding it these days. *sigh* |
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| 14:34.13 | dark-jedi | Mathisen, Any idea why I keep getting a PHP error on debgen.simplylinux... |
| 14:34.28 | dark-jedi | Is the maintainer of that website going to fix it? |
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| 14:35.49 | blind | There's a "Send feedback" link.. you could try letting them know about it? |
| 14:36.29 | abrotman | Sholdn't be using that website anyway .. it does bad things |
| 14:36.39 | AlexPortable | thanks Shadow_7 |
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| 14:41.34 | zleap | thanks for that, it seems to be working |
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| 14:42.16 | mikkemus9 | I had a gnupg keyring created with gnupg 2.1. This is not useable with the gpg2 which is shipped in debian 8. How can I use my keyring? |
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| 14:44.49 | mikkemus9 | how can I install gnupg 2.1 on jessie? |
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| 14:50.42 | zykotick9 | mikkemus9: i notice jessie has both a gnupg and a gnupg2 (new v2.x) did you try both? |
| 14:50.57 | Shadow_7 | ,v gnupg2 |
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| 14:50.58 | judd | Package: gnupg2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.14-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.0.14-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 2.0.14-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.0.25-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.26-6; stretch: 2.0.28-3; sid: 2.1.10-3 |
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| 14:53.09 | stoned | Good morning |
| 14:53.18 | SOUL_OF_R00T | morning |
| 14:53.19 | stoned | Shadow_7: did you see my msg about asoundrc |
| 14:53.32 | stoned | Shadow_7: :) ty |
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| 14:55.27 | mikkemus9 | zykotick9: gpg is 1.6 and gpg2 is 2.0 |
| 14:55.54 | mikkemus9 | is debian sid == unstable? |
| 14:55.59 | zykotick9 | yes |
| 14:56.07 | mikkemus9 | how can I install a package from sid. im on jessie |
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| 14:56.22 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell mikkemus9 about ssb |
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| 14:57.49 | zykotick9 | judd: checkbackport gnupg2 |
| 14:57.50 | judd | Backporting package gnupg2 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libassuan-dev (>= 2.4.1). |
| 14:58.05 | zykotick9 | mikkemus9: ^ might be an issue... |
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| 14:58.15 | pi___ | Hey |
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| 14:58.38 | subz3r0 | hey folks |
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| 14:58.42 | pi___ | Just started using raspbian on my pi what should i do |
| 14:58.43 | Shadow_7 | stoned: nope... missed it |
| 14:59.05 | subz3r0 | im installing atm a 32bit version (expert install) but im wondering about the kernel choices |
| 14:59.15 | subz3r0 | 486 and 686 pae |
| 14:59.26 | subz3r0 | thought 686 kernels are for 64bit systems? |
| 14:59.32 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell pi___ about raspbian |
| 14:59.49 | ChrisH | pi___: search the correct support channel :) This channel here does Debian stable only. Raspbian is not Debian. |
| 15:00.07 | pi___ | okay should i try #raspbian? |
| 15:00.08 | zykotick9 | subz3r0: no, i686 is 32bit with PAE (probably what you want) |
| 15:00.14 | pi___ | im new to all those stuff .-. |
| 15:00.49 | zykotick9 | subz3r0: amd64 is 64bit (as we know it) |
| 15:01.09 | Shadow_7 | 686 is for 32 bit systems that aren't ancient |
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| 15:01.21 | subz3r0 | its a vps |
| 15:01.26 | subz3r0 | with kvm |
| 15:01.49 | subz3r0 | very less RAM. but for running some diagnosis its pretty fine :) |
| 15:02.09 | subz3r0 | zykotick9: thanks. will choose the 686 kernel then |
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| 15:03.05 | zleap | ok if I install firmware-realtek package do i need to manually make the drivers load up |
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| 15:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | subz3r0, what type of hardware is it? how much ram? |
| 15:04.04 | subz3r0 | 256MB ram |
| 15:04.07 | subz3r0 | I7 |
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| 15:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | definitely pae... why do you even use the 32bit version? |
| 15:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 15:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait, I read GB |
| 15:06.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | need coffee |
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| 15:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, don't need pae for that |
| 15:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, pae |
| 15:07.54 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <686-pae>, <bigmem>. |
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| 15:09.40 | stoned | Shadow_7: http://sprunge.us/VbTP <- I got upmixing and a 10 band global system wide equalizer running. |
| 15:09.41 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: i was surprised when i tried a non-PAE kernel, that it also disabled multi-core support in CPU... |
| 15:10.06 | zleap | i am guessing non-pae systems are generally single core |
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| 15:10.19 | stoned | zleap: no, low mem or 32bit |
| 15:10.20 | zleap | toriOS is designed for non-pae systems |
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| 15:10.32 | stoned | zleap: for 32bit system to address more than 4GB ram |
| 15:10.35 | zleap | and low memory systems |
| 15:10.42 | stoned | Something that doesn't affect 64bit cup |
| 15:10.44 | stoned | cpu* |
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| 15:11.57 | stoned | If you have more than 4GB of ram on 32bit cpu, you should either use PAE, x86_64, or use the >4GB mark RAM as a cache for disks or SSD |
| 15:12.08 | stoned | Many ways to use extra ram, doesn't always have to be PAE |
| 15:12.08 | bongleger | people.debian.org or paradis.debian.org seems to be unreachable... only for me? |
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| 15:13.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | zykotick9, oh, interesting... haven't tried one in a very long time... I think since the pae ones are there |
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| 15:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | wasn't aware of it, thanks |
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| 15:19.46 | stoned | using nvidia binary driver, I can't seem to get compositing working other than sw rendering |
| 15:19.53 | stoned | GTX 275 nvidia |
| 15:19.56 | Devastator | !nvidia |
| 15:19.57 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:20.26 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/PNPi <- My Xorg.conf |
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| 15:20.49 | zykotick9 | stoned: by "nvidia binary driver" do you mean the one downloaded from nvidia.com? |
| 15:20.51 | stoned | I can't use nouveau b/c of many many problems w/ it not supporting multi head. |
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| 15:21.04 | stoned | No, from debian's nvidia-driver package for stable |
| 15:21.09 | stoned | Whatever stable installs I have that. |
| 15:21.19 | zykotick9 | stoned: OK, that's semi-good at least. |
| 15:21.31 | stoned | I use only packages in stable repo |
| 15:21.39 | stoned | I don't use anythign else. I'm happy w/ older software |
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| 15:21.42 | jelly | dpkg, tell stoned about nvidia dkms |
| 15:21.42 | stoned | It works. |
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| 15:21.59 | stoned | Oh hang on I have to set -g for dpkg bot |
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| 15:22.22 | stoned | jelly: do it again |
| 15:22.37 | jelly | dpkg, tell stoned about nvidia dkms |
| 15:23.07 | zykotick9 | stoned: fyi, you could have done it yourself "/msg dpkg dkms" |
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| 15:23.19 | stoned | jelly: all that's hunky dory. I'm on nvidia drvier right now, it works for my hexa-head setup |
| 15:23.23 | zykotick9 | ^ missed the nvidia there... |
| 15:23.25 | stoned | I just wanted to make compositing work |
| 15:23.54 | stoned | I don't need it. Mind you. I'm happy w/ fake transprency in urxvt |
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| 15:24.18 | stoned | Just wanted to see if I could enable it. I tried xcompmgr, but very slow, Same w/ compton |
| 15:24.43 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/PNPi <- My Xorg.conf (in case anyone interested) |
| 15:25.17 | stoned | I forgot. Do you enable compositing in xorg.conf or do you need another lib or package? |
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| 15:26.13 | stoned | http://stoned.io/debian-8.2-03-01-2016-2.png <- desktop looks okay. Fonts are fine now too. upmixing of 5.1 surround works now thanks to Shadow_7 |
| 15:26.38 | stoned | I am just being greedy. I don't need compositing but I would like to check it out, see what the crazy fuss is about them transparencies and wha tnot. |
| 15:26.47 | stoned | (I'm sure I'll end up hating it, heh) |
| 15:27.06 | Shadow_7 | I don't do that composting stuff... I barely have enough resources as it is |
| 15:27.16 | stoned | Yeah. I'm just being stupid and greedy. |
| 15:27.19 | stoned | This is fine. |
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| 15:27.37 | Shadow_7 | gratz on the audio. All my stuff is stereo. I only have two ears |
| 15:27.39 | teraflops | stoned: how did you try comptom? |
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| 15:28.50 | stoned | apt-get install compton; compton & |
| 15:29.09 | stoned | But, I should warn you, it's ridiculously slow (b/c of a lack of hardware compositing) |
| 15:29.32 | stoned | I think these xorg thingies are only for configs which have HW accel/composite enabled not software rendering |
| 15:29.43 | Shadow_7 | about all I would want from composting is transparency |
| 15:29.52 | stoned | Yeah. I get that in urxvt. |
| 15:30.06 | stoned | I even keep xft fonts off, b/c it makes scrolling in urxvt almost impossible |
| 15:30.28 | Neon | I'm trying to set SFTP logging up for chrooted users. Following the instructions on https://www.debian-administration.org/article/637/OpenSSH_logging_with_ChrootDirectory, a question came to my mind. They configure rsyslog to add a socket dev/log to a user home directory. But how does the application (internal-sftp) know it's supposed to log to $HOME/dev/log? |
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| 15:30.43 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/WcKi <- My .Xresources if anyone interested. |
| 15:30.55 | stoned | It took a while to go round and collect these configs and set them how I need |
| 15:30.59 | stoned | Maye someone find them useful |
| 15:30.59 | qqe | hi there! can i remove systemd? |
| 15:31.02 | teraflops | so it's useless usage, since you didnt play with the interesting params |
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| 15:32.00 | ytheleus | qqe: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd |
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| 15:32.29 | teraflops | stoned: --backend, --vsync etc etc |
| 15:32.41 | stoned | eh. |
| 15:32.54 | stoned | Have fun I guess. I'm not even worried about commposite |
| 15:33.00 | stoned | *shrug* |
| 15:33.03 | teraflops | heh |
| 15:33.08 | qqe | ytheleus: oh.., thank you |
| 15:33.08 | stoned | I'm happy where I am! :) |
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| 15:33.35 | Neon | Ah, man, I think I've figured it out. My UNIX understanding is a bit rusty. |
| 15:33.44 | teraflops | stoned: imo transparency is silly as hell |
| 15:33.50 | stoned | *nod* |
| 15:34.09 | stoned | teraflops: window managers who don't magage windows for you coupled w/ transparency are even more silly |
| 15:34.19 | stoned | Especially when it makes thigns harder to use |
| 15:34.35 | stoned | I don't ever want to manage windows, and don't ever need to see them wobble. |
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| 15:35.31 | stoned | Window management is a task for window managers. Not me. I have never liked dragging windows, arranging them, grabbing window corners and just..eeek! |
| 15:35.38 | teraflops | stoned: in my use cause since I do tiling, gaps transparency etc. is just for shitposting scrots |
| 15:35.49 | stoned | *nod* |
| 15:35.55 | teraflops | it's just a personal opinion |
| 15:36.03 | stoned | It's a fine opinion. |
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| 15:37.03 | stoned | I made a silly mistake, I installed /home as XFS, and / as btrfs |
| 15:37.10 | teraflops | stoned: just here `compton --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --vsync opengl-swc` it's ok |
| 15:37.12 | stoned | Now I don't want xfs anymore. More silly work for me. |
| 15:37.26 | stoned | teraflops: let me see if I have glx |
| 15:37.28 | teraflops | stoned: do you do subvols? |
| 15:38.04 | stoned | direct rendering: Yes from glxinfo |
| 15:38.10 | stoned | teraflops: come again? |
| 15:38.12 | stoned | sub vols? |
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| 15:38.22 | teraflops | yes i read btrfs |
| 15:38.30 | stoned | Oh, I didn't do anything. |
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| 15:38.38 | stoned | I just setup btfs, format, /, no atime |
| 15:38.45 | stoned | Debiian installer. |
| 15:38.49 | teraflops | stoned: then is useless heh better do xfs for all |
| 15:38.51 | stoned | It did things on his won |
| 15:39.05 | stoned | I dunno much agout btr at all. I just trieded it |
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| 15:39.51 | stoned | I have 2x 2tb ntfs greens, full, and I have 2x 3TB each seagate, no FS yet. I need to decide what to do and then move data. |
| 15:40.17 | stoned | To avoid problems w/ fragmentation or unsued blocks parts |
| 15:40.30 | stoned | I wanted a file system w/ vriable level block length, ala zfs or btrfs |
| 15:40.36 | teraflops | ah |
| 15:40.40 | stoned | So not all the blocks are evenly sized |
| 15:40.48 | stoned | meaning you can put small and big files on the same FS |
| 15:41.56 | stoned | But only having 8GB ram, and 6TB for zfs makes no sense to me. |
| 15:42.27 | stoned | Host: Stoned-PC-OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.2-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (2000.000 MHz)-Processes: 277-Uptime: 12h 21m-Users: 5-Load Average: 1.25-Memory Usage: 1710.29MB/8002.51MB (-267.90%)-Disk Usage: 3377.48GB/3734.41GB (90.44%) |
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| 15:42.51 | stoned | It's a Q9550, 8GB DDR2, USB2, SATA2 |
| 15:42.57 | stoned | 7-8 year old machine. |
| 15:43.26 | teraflops | btrfs subvols are fine for me |
| 15:43.34 | stoned | I think I'll by one of them cheapy used servers from ebay, like 64gb ram, dual xeon quads, etc. |
| 15:43.40 | stoned | DDR3 ones are uner 1k usd |
| 15:43.54 | stoned | Find a good deal, and setup my FS there |
| 15:44.02 | stoned | teraflops: I'll look more nito it |
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| 15:44.12 | stoned | I just moved back to linux from windows after 6 yearss |
| 15:44.19 | stoned | I have NOT done or used linux since 2009 |
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| 15:54.03 | Shadow_7 | Hmmm... urxvt is a bit anti-intuitive. +sb to turn OFF the scrollbar |
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| 15:55.47 | Stummi | thats actually pretty common in unix world |
| 15:55.54 | Stummi | Shadow_7, ^ |
| 15:56.11 | Stummi | -foo turns on a feature, +foo turns it off |
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| 15:57.41 | teraflops | setting up fonts and configs in .Xresources is pretty unti-intuitive too |
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| 16:01.54 | Shadow_7 | To install fedora on the "other" hp stream? Not that I expect anything but tears and sadness (from degraded performance). |
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| 16:03.42 | jelly | stoned: pastebin the output of "glxinfo" |
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| 16:05.44 | stoned | jelly: ok |
| 16:06.10 | stoned | jelly: http://sprunge.us/dEFj |
| 16:06.39 | stoned | BTW, I have Xinerma enabled due to 6 monitors |
| 16:06.48 | stoned | Could that cause problems? |
| 16:06.58 | stoned | I also have GTX 275, and 2x 8400GS n vidia in this machine |
| 16:07.00 | stoned | 3x gpu |
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| 16:07.50 | jelly | no experience with xinerama |
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| 16:08.01 | stoned | np |
| 16:08.11 | stoned | Advise whatever you able to and inclined to |
| 16:08.12 | stoned | ty |
| 16:08.33 | jelly | stoned: which 'GL compositors did you try? |
| 16:08.45 | stoned | xcompmgr and compton |
| 16:08.54 | stoned | just installed packages, ran the program, no options |
| 16:08.56 | jelly | xcompmgr is not opengl based afaik |
| 16:08.57 | stoned | Everythign got very slow |
| 16:09.07 | stoned | I didn't specify any cli or config options |
| 16:09.22 | stoned | cli meaning argumetns/switches to th eprogram |
| 16:09.22 | teraflops | stoned: just play with compton as in the example I pasted |
| 16:09.35 | stoned | ok |
| 16:09.39 | jelly | stoned: compton can be. you didn't try kde or gnome? |
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| 16:10.16 | stoned | jelly: by default they can do it but sw rending, hw conmpositing is not enabled in kde either |
| 16:10.22 | stoned | and gnome |
| 16:10.24 | stoned | and/or* |
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| 16:10.46 | stoned | I don't use KDE anyway. Just xsessionrc and xmonad and feh for background |
| 16:10.57 | stoned | That's it. I also specify KDEWM = xmonad in case I ever launch KDE |
| 16:11.14 | stoned | Which I never do.I used tasksel to install EVERYTHING |
| 16:11.20 | stoned | every singl DE in the task list |
| 16:11.29 | stoned | B/c... ha. That's how I party |
| 16:12.09 | stoned | I have everything on the machine, I just dont' use anything but a couple of apps here and there. Maybe konqueror. I onlyuse Chrome, and Maybe netbeans (which I'm going to switch from) |
| 16:12.24 | stoned | And after that, I only need one gui app staple. Chrome. I can manage my files from cli. |
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| 16:12.44 | stoned | I just need konqueror as a file browser, images, videos, previews of files, that's it. For browsing screenshot, phone/camera pics. |
| 16:12.52 | stoned | Other than that, I have no need for any gui apps. |
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| 16:14.02 | stoned | And once I get my znc 2nd oftc instance setup, no need for hexchat either. I was just being lazy and used hexchat instead of setup my znc/weechat or oftc |
| 16:14.17 | blind | "I can manage my files from cli" "I just need konqueror as a file browser" :P |
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| 16:14.29 | stoned | blind: right. Cli can't give image previews |
| 16:14.36 | stoned | well, file previews in general. |
| 16:14.45 | stoned | So in cli, I dunno what a picture is b/c file names are dates only |
| 16:14.52 | teraflops | stoned: heh good choice, xmonad here too ;D |
| 16:14.54 | stoned | So I have to have an image preview to see what the image looks like |
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| 16:15.44 | stoned | I have like 5+ years worth of picture memories from while I was away from debian, on hiatus |
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| 16:16.34 | stoned | teraflops: it's an excellent wm. I find it works well over RP and Awesome in many regards. |
| 16:17.20 | jelly | stoned: enable it in kde, see what happens. |
| 16:17.22 | teraflops | stoned: yes it is, also multi head support is awesome |
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| 16:17.44 | teraflops | stoned: about preview, ranger does it. https://ptpb.pw/5ZBw.png |
| 16:17.50 | blind | I like bspwm for a tiling wm |
| 16:17.51 | stoned | Yep. I cant use Kwin, it crashes on Xinerama. |
| 16:17.56 | stoned | jelly: I'll try. |
| 16:18.03 | blind | for a barebones file manager, I use rox |
| 16:18.09 | jelly | stoned: and there you have it, xinerama is probably to blame. |
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| 16:18.41 | stoned | jelly: I need the Xine babe |
| 16:18.58 | stoned | Randr can't work for me. nvidia driver does not work well w/ it |
| 16:19.13 | stoned | Nouveau does, but w/ 6 screens, moving mouse or windows is a pita. Too much lag. |
| 16:19.21 | stoned | Randr is out of the quesion for me. My only option is Xinerma. |
| 16:20.08 | stoned | I mad a post on stack, hang on |
| 16:20.22 | stoned | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/248584/need-help-configuring-xorg-conf-for-6-monitor-big-desktop/249155#249155 |
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| 16:20.32 | akk | openbox here |
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| 16:20.37 | stoned | I had some of my problems and insights there about this. |
| 16:20.43 | akk | but it's not tiling |
| 16:20.49 | stoned | And almost all the stated problems still exist. |
| 16:21.01 | stoned | Consult my xorg.conf from a few minutes ago and read the post. |
| 16:21.15 | stoned | It should become clear. I also have another issue not mentioned yet |
| 16:21.33 | stoned | In cli, w/ default install, nouveau driver, cli resolution is fine. (took pics to show later) |
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| 16:21.57 | stoned | Soon as I install the nvidia driver anre reboot, cli fonts are big, no longer seem like 1080p dkms stuff |
| 16:22.11 | stoned | So, I tried to pass vga= but found out dkms stuffs and grub 2 and things changd |
| 16:22.14 | stoned | can't pass vga param |
| 16:22.36 | teraflops | stoned: sure since nvidia does not do dkms |
| 16:22.37 | stoned | So now I'm stuck w/ a debian system (when not on X) that shows big ugly fonts instead of nice looking clean fonts in cli |
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| 16:22.42 | stoned | ahhh |
| 16:22.42 | mikkemus9 | https://bpaste.net/show/96823e76081b help me with this dep on a backport from unstable into testing |
| 16:22.46 | stoned | so that's what it is. |
| 16:22.58 | stoned | I'm glad you knew. |
| 16:23.05 | stoned | This was bothering me for a while haha |
| 16:23.08 | teraflops | heh |
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| 16:24.10 | stoned | With Xinerma, I lose acceleration and it lags in some cases, but it's usable enough. |
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| 16:24.28 | stoned | jelly: so yeah, Xine is the shiz that makes it whacky. |
| 16:24.57 | stoned | w/o xinerama, I can mopve mmy mouse across all 6 monitors, but can't move windows, even in xmonad. |
| 16:25.07 | stoned | xmonad is the only wm that doesn't crash w/ 6 mnon xine |
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| 16:25.19 | stoned | kwin, gnome, ... every other wm crashes and the DE doesn't ever load. |
| 16:25.20 | Lorner | hey guys, being stumped by a weird issue - i cannot see the missing 4 GB that my root partitions is using according to df -h https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3c0e624333a1bf6e0487 |
| 16:25.26 | ivand | gentlemen. How can I trust public root CA certificate that I have in /etc/ssl/certs ? I mean what if someone with malicious intentions replaces e.g. Verisign's key with their own? |
| 16:25.44 | stoned | ivand: it will be invalid. |
| 16:25.51 | jelly | stoned: then that's what you have, those 8400GS are quite old. I'd go with randr otherwise. |
| 16:26.05 | stoned | *nod* |
| 16:26.24 | jelly | stoned: does kde work if you only use the newest card? |
| 16:27.07 | stoned | Sure, upon install of debian, only top two 60" screens work, duplicatd, until I arrange usnig xrandr. But xrandr only sees gpu0 |
| 16:27.13 | stoned | in nvidia |
| 16:27.36 | stoned | In nouveau, randr sees all monitors, can turn them all on and arrange them, but moving windows or mouse is extremely laggly, crap performance |
| 16:27.54 | stoned | but nouveau kde works when first installed |
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| 16:28.21 | stoned | Then switch to nvidia and randr no longer functions, but I I can get xinerama and all 6 mons working in nvidia |
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| 16:28.33 | stoned | I would try to use xinerama w/ noveau and see how that goes |
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| 16:29.06 | stoned | But I ahve not been able to read then noveau manpage enough to be able to translate my nvidia xorg conf to nouveau's xorg directives for 6 mon setup |
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| 16:29.17 | stoned | So I have a few things yet to try in the pipeline |
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| 16:29.36 | stoned | But there are more important issues to help people with right now, so I'll shut up. |
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| 16:30.09 | sucemiel | has anyone made a joke about "debian lemmy" already ? |
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| 16:30.52 | Arone | hi |
| 16:30.54 | Arone | how i can execute a script before shutdown ? |
| 16:30.57 | Arone | with the crontab ? |
| 16:30.59 | blind | Sublim3: eh? |
| 16:31.07 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys, any knows if have some tunnind needed on debian to this processor? (odel name: AMD A10-7850K Radeon R7, 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G) ?? thanks! |
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| 16:32.19 | dontknow | SOUL_OF_R00T, can you get 3d acceleration with that cpu? |
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| 16:32.39 | Sublim3 | blind, yeh ? |
| 16:32.44 | blind | sorry, failed hilight |
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| 16:34.40 | SOUL_OF_R00T | thanks dontknow i have installed the firmware i run with 3g accel.... but maybe have some seting for the software involved no? |
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| 16:35.58 | SOUL_OF_R00T | dontknow, i run openarena fine |
| 16:36.13 | stoned | I <3 that game |
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| 16:36.33 | stoned | Wonder how games work under Xinerama |
| 16:36.56 | stoned | fullscreen games I mean, accelrated ones. |
| 16:37.02 | stoned | I'm sure Xine kills everything :( |
| 16:37.14 | dontknow | SOUL_OF_R00T, do you use proprietary driver? i am interested that cpu and i wonder how it works on gnu/linux. i don't know the answer of your question |
| 16:37.33 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i don't use a proprietary driver |
| 16:38.05 | dontknow | SOUL_OF_R00T, do you get screen tearing while watching video? |
| 16:38.21 | SOUL_OF_R00T | no |
| 16:38.38 | dontknow | SOUL_OF_R00T, ok thanks |
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| 16:39.05 | dontknow | SOUL_OF_R00T, i don't think you need any further tweaking |
| 16:39.19 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ok |
| 16:39.36 | SOUL_OF_R00T | in this case i stop the search for that, thanks |
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| 16:40.00 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i am studding pygame to devel an interface to GPIO's from raspberry |
| 16:40.03 | dontknow | if you don't have any issue then it is fine |
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| 16:40.28 | teraflops | i wonder how many cores do you see SOUL_OF_R00T, when doing e.g htop |
| 16:41.04 | dontknow | teraflops, 4 cores |
| 16:41.18 | teraflops | thanks |
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| 16:42.30 | dontknow | SOUL_OF_R00T, fan works noisy? or |
| 16:42.50 | SOUL_OF_R00T | realy without noise |
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| 16:43.32 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i have one gentoo 64 on virtualbox |
| 16:43.41 | SOUL_OF_R00T | run finest |
| 16:45.28 | Shadow_7 | heh... fans... they still make those? |
| 16:46.02 | teraflops | stoned: oh, 17:24:48 teraflops ⎸ stoned: sure since nvidia does not do dkms <- i meant KMS obvly :S |
| 16:46.48 | dontknow | Shadow_7, yes that primitive technology :p |
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| 16:46.54 | guampa | hello, I'm trying to solve a dependency problem that blocks me from installing wine32 -> http://paste.debian.net/359518/ |
| 16:47.14 | guampa | any help will be welcome |
| 16:47.28 | dimitry7 | Hello guys! I am getting this error |
| 16:47.29 | dimitry7 | http://paste.debian.net/359521/ |
| 16:48.08 | dimitry7 | I'd like to check if the keys match before doing ssh-keygen -R host (just in case something weird is happening) |
| 16:48.10 | dimitry7 | how can I do it? |
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| 16:49.31 | ChrisH | dimitry7: 1. do you know if the box was reinstalled? 2. Might this be a system hosted at hetzner? |
| 16:49.53 | valdyn | dimitry7: maybe you can remember that a) you yourself changed the key or b) the ip 172.16.1.10 is a different host |
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| 16:50.06 | valdyn | dimitry7: maybe you can remember that a) you yourself changed the key or b) the ip 172.16.1.10 *was* a different host |
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| 16:51.54 | dimitry7 | ChrisH, no it was not reinstalled |
| 16:52.06 | dimitry7 | valdyn, no I didn't change the key |
| 16:52.30 | guampa | dimitry7: you or someone you trust can verify manually if the fingerprint is correct |
| 16:52.54 | dimitry7 | guampa, yes I can verify it, how can I do it? |
| 16:53.02 | dimitry7 | I remember there's a long command |
| 16:53.11 | dimitry7 | jelly, gave it to me a long ago |
| 16:53.26 | guampa | ssh-keygen -E md5 -lf /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
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| 16:54.10 | dimitry7 | guampa, http://paste.debian.net/359523/ |
| 16:55.10 | guampa | dimitry7: try omitting -E md5, it seems your version doesn't has that |
| 16:55.19 | guampa | i guess it will default to an md5 hash then |
| 16:55.27 | dimitry7 | I have the updated version on Jessie |
| 16:56.06 | dimitry7 | guampa, I get this: 2048 4b:98:11:c5:51:d7:b8:7c:37:17:5c:63:d5:1b:85:e0 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub (RSA) |
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| 16:56.20 | dimitry7 | :S |
| 16:57.29 | guampa | it doesn't look like the other fingerprint, maybe you're mismatching the host or the very unlikely case that someone is really eavesdropping |
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| 17:00.39 | dimitry7 | :S |
| 17:00.42 | dimitry7 | im worried |
| 17:00.49 | dimitry7 | what else can I check? |
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| 17:20.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | you could've just asked me to leave. so much for civility. |
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| 17:24.31 | liberty_ | why has no one packaged the open firmware for this atheros wireless cards? https://github.com/qca/open-ath9k-htc-firmware https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware |
| 17:25.38 | guampa | still looking for help with apt wanting to remove half of the OS when trying to install 32 bit support for wine -> http://paste.debian.net/359518/ |
| 17:25.41 | jelly | liberty_: the same firmware is still packaged with other, non-free bits, under its previous licence. |
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| 17:27.52 | liberty_ | jelly: do you mean the firmware-atheros package? does it include the newest firmware compiled from the git source? |
| 17:27.59 | jelly | liberty_: request for packaging has been done a while ago https://bugs.debian.org/711470 |
| 17:28.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/711470 in firmware-linux-free (open): «ath9k_htc updated firmware for firmware-linux-free»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-06-07; last modified: 2015-08-20. |
| 17:28.14 | jelly | liberty_: I don't think it does, no |
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| 17:30.39 | karlpinc | dimitry7: There's also the possiblity that the host has more than one identity, if it has more than one IP or port running ssh. Just a thought. |
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| 17:31.29 | dimitry7 | karlpinc, amm, no it has only one private address, 172.16.1.10 and ssh is running on port 22 only |
| 17:32.25 | karlpinc | dimitry7: Are you connecting to the IP or using names? Maybe the name resolution is wrong? (Just coming up with ideas here.) |
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| 17:33.36 | liberty_ | jelly: thanks. i hope there will be a seperate package in the future to highlight that theese devices have free firmware |
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| 17:35.17 | dimitry7 | karlpinc, no, using the IP address |
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| 17:40.36 | otyugh | how to read a .ogg using aplay please ? |
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| 17:41.52 | jelly | otyugh: probably "don't use aplay but something that can decode ogg vorbis" |
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| 17:41.59 | jelly | like mpv |
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| 17:42.10 | dontknow | mpv is amazing |
| 17:42.22 | otyugh | Can't I just use an external decoder ? |
| 17:42.54 | jelly | sure, but then you need to specify formats... |
| 17:43.08 | jelly | otyugh: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 17:43.10 | dontknow | i backported mpv 0.8.3 for youtube-dl support |
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| 17:43.20 | jelly | ,v mpv |
| 17:43.21 | judd | Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.14.0-1; stretch: 0.14.0-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.14.0-dmo1 |
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| 17:44.25 | dontknow | what is jessie-multimedia? |
| 17:44.42 | SynrG | !dmm |
| 17:44.42 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 17:45.24 | dontknow | allright! |
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| 17:45.54 | dontknow | 0.8.3 is the last version can be backported to jessie |
| 17:45.57 | SynrG | ,checkbackport mpv |
| 17:46.06 | judd | Backporting package mpv in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libass-dev (>= 0.12.1~), libsndio-dev (>= 1.0.1). |
| 17:46.23 | SynrG | ,checkbackport libass-dev |
| 17:46.26 | judd | Backporting package libass-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 17:46.33 | SynrG | ,checkbackport libsndio-dev |
| 17:46.35 | judd | Backporting package libsndio-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 17:46.40 | SynrG | not technically true :) |
| 17:46.46 | SynrG | you just need to backport three things, not one |
| 17:47.06 | jelly | possibly it doesn't need the exact versions |
| 17:47.12 | SynrG | yeah |
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| 17:47.22 | SynrG | so you could first try loosening the versioned dep in debian/control |
| 17:47.29 | blind | Anyone have any thoughts on broken unicode characters? They were working following an installation of unifont but then broke after a dist-upgrade. Characters no longer render properly and some even mess up previous/following lines in my terminal. |
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| 17:47.36 | SynrG | read the changelog and see why that was done |
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| 17:48.06 | dontknow | SynrG, i wouldn't backport the dependencies |
| 17:48.23 | maid | hey guys what is the best solution for my new vserver? Debian 7 LAMP , Debian 7 Mini or Debian 8 Mini thank you |
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| 17:49.04 | DoctorD90 | guys, luks allowes /dev/urandom as source for key file? are these chars allowed? |
| 17:49.11 | SynrG | dontknow: then try the other way. see if the tight versioned dep can be loosened without breaking it |
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| 17:50.36 | dontknow | DoctorD90, yes |
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| 17:51.41 | dontknow | DoctorD90, it allows this dd if=/dev/urandom of=whatever.key bs=512 count=4 |
| 17:52.17 | DoctorD90 | thx dontknow ;) it allowes up to 8k...but better 4k... |
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| 17:52.41 | DoctorD90 | if it encounter strange bugs with a "full" length key :P |
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| 17:52.47 | DoctorD90 | it is better 4k... |
| 17:52.49 | DoctorD90 | thx ^_^ |
| 17:54.58 | DoctorD90 | dontknow sorry. Do you know also why "gpa" from repo gives error when it starts? |
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| 17:56.10 | DoctorD90 | gui for opengpg |
| 17:56.15 | DoctorD90 | dontknow ^^^^ |
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| 17:58.26 | sparta9aa | hi how get tomcat-native apr installed on debian? |
| 17:58.31 | sparta9aa | not sure what to search for |
| 17:58.34 | sparta9aa | anyone know right name? |
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| 18:03.04 | simonlnu | how about just 'tomcat' or 'apache tomcat'? |
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| 18:11.59 | sparta9aa | it was installed using ansible not apt-get |
| 18:12.06 | sparta9aa | zomg devops makes me sad |
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| 18:12.52 | babilen | sparta9aa: Doesn't ansible use apt-get under the hood? |
| 18:13.11 | sparta9aa | not if you tell it to use a tarball |
| 18:13.21 | babilen | well ... |
| 18:13.49 | sparta9aa | I don't want to use java or ansible |
| 18:13.57 | babilen | If you tell a tool to do something you don't want you can't really blame it that it did something you didn't want |
| 18:13.57 | sparta9aa | I inherited this shitbomb |
| 18:14.09 | sparta9aa | oh I am discovering noit blaming |
| 18:14.19 | sparta9aa | but your right |
| 18:14.26 | sparta9aa | in the end there is no one to blame but myself |
| 18:15.40 | simonlnu | non-standard fetching installing you need to deal with it. and yes, we sometimes inherit garbage when doing sysadmin work. |
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| 18:17.00 | Shadow_7 | probably more often than sometimes |
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| 18:18.01 | Shadow_7 | most of my contracting work bitd was cleaning up rushed projects. Which is 3x's the work of doing it right in the first place. Since you have to convert the bad data to tollerable data |
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| 18:20.35 | akk | I have a question about recent sid updates. |
| 18:20.54 | akk | As of a week or two ago, my USB mouse and keyboard no longer work properly, and I've had to fall back to jessie. |
| 18:20.57 | Shadow_7 | use #debian-next on the oftc server |
| 18:21.06 | akk | oh, okay, thanks |
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| 18:21.17 | Shadow_7 | akk might try a custom or older kernel on sid |
| 18:21.36 | akk | I don't think it's the kernel: I'm using the exact same kernel on jessie and it's working fine. |
| 18:21.50 | Shadow_7 | it's either kernel or udev got broke-ish |
| 18:23.15 | dontknow | akk, sid always breaks toys |
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| 18:24.18 | akk | sid's been remarkably usable for me for several years, but now my machine's been unusable for a week or two so I'm worried. |
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| 18:26.14 | poffs | why doesn't adblock support iceweasel? |
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| 18:26.44 | Shadow_7 | poffs: because phones |
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| 18:27.31 | blind | uBlock ftw. not sure if it supports iceweasel tho |
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| 18:28.32 | rsync | long life to linux! long life to all hackers and hacktivists around the world! u can kill one of us, but u cannot kill us all |
| 18:28.52 | blind | * please don't kill us |
| 18:29.09 | JesseWalling | yeah I don't wanna die |
| 18:29.22 | dontknow | poffs, esr or latest? |
| 18:29.39 | Shadow_7 | you underestimate the corruption of the govs of the world |
| 18:29.39 | rsync | if u do things that government dont like u are in danger, thats for sure |
| 18:30.22 | Aebian | is there a mouseWithoutBorder alternative for debian? |
| 18:30.31 | dontknow | poffs, there is "xul-ext-adblock-plus" in repos |
| 18:30.38 | dontknow | that would support |
| 18:30.56 | blind | Aebian: looks like that does the same job as synergy ? |
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| 18:31.06 | JT|work_ | Aebian: kdeconnect might be what you're looking for if you use kde |
| 18:31.19 | Aebian | I use gnome3/cinnamon |
| 18:31.32 | JT|work_ | I actually wrote a script to turn my phone into a remote keyboard last night heh |
| 18:31.38 | Aebian | I will try synergy, thanks blind & JT|work_ |
| 18:31.50 | blind | Hm looks like synergy changed their domain.. |
| 18:31.52 | JT|work_ | synergy is great, but I don't know if that's what you want |
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| 18:32.08 | JT|work_ | you want to use a phone or tablet as a mouse for another machine, right? |
| 18:32.29 | Aebian | well I just wanna control my debian laptop via my windows tower (mouse + kwyvoard) |
| 18:32.32 | Aebian | *KEYBOARD |
| 18:32.48 | blind | Yeah synergy will do that. |
| 18:33.07 | JT|work_ | ohh yeah it totally will |
| 18:33.15 | JT|work_ | you just slide the mouse from one machine to the other |
| 18:33.16 | Aebian | awesome thx |
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| 18:36.53 | dontknow | did you see solus os's budgie? i liked it |
| 18:37.10 | Aebian | hmm thats not free is it? |
| 18:37.40 | Aebian | @synergy |
| 18:37.40 | dontknow | Aebian, free as free speech? no |
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| 18:37.51 | blind | Not anymore. |
| 18:37.55 | Aebian | hmmm |
| 18:37.57 | JesseWalling | I have wanted to try solus out but never gets on my flash drives correctly :/ |
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| 18:38.05 | JesseWalling | it is annoying |
| 18:38.05 | blind | you might be able to find their nightly builds hint hint |
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| 18:38.32 | Aebian | sure ;) |
| 18:38.35 | JesseWalling | yeah I think I will do that. The other day I accidentally wiped my hard drive while trying to write the iso do a usb drive -_- |
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| 18:38.45 | JesseWalling | derp |
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| 18:42.00 | mattsah | Anyone have any idea when php7.0-memcache might remotely be available? |
| 18:42.30 | Amun_Ra | ,v lilypond |
| 18:42.31 | judd | Package: lilypond on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.12.3-7; wheezy: 2.14.2-4; jessie: 2.18.2-4; stretch: 2.18.2-4; sid: 2.18.2-4.1 |
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| 18:56.26 | ivand | stoned: how would it be invalid? |
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| 19:05.32 | stoned | ivand: what? |
| 19:05.34 | stoned | I forgot |
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| 19:09.29 | dimitry7 | hi there is there a tool to audit integrity of binaries? |
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| 19:11.42 | Aebian | blind: Server refused client with name Alexander |
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| 19:12.10 | Aebian | blind: hmm I think I need to allow the name somewhere in synergy |
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| 19:12.33 | blind | you do. server config or something |
| 19:12.45 | kisiste | hi, which service do I start in jessie, is it dovecot.service or dovecot.socket? |
| 19:12.53 | blind | you tell it where in relation to the server machine you want the clients to appear. ie top, left, etc |
| 19:12.57 | kisiste | these two seem to conflict |
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| 19:13.38 | pingfloyd | I noticed on fresh install the packages virtualbox-guest-x11, virtualbox-guest-utils, and virtualbox-guest-dkms are installed by default. Are these for if I were running debian as a guest VM? I'm running it native, is there any reason to keep them around? |
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| 19:16.05 | axc1298 | pingfloyd: probably not. i don't have those on my new install, but i used apt-get to install a DE as opposed to choosing one in installer |
| 19:16.13 | karlpinc | dimitry7: debsums ? |
| 19:16.32 | dimitry7 | karlpinc, true, let me run one |
| 19:16.32 | pingfloyd | axc1298: I installed from the xfce4 live iso |
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| 19:18.01 | axc1298 | pingfloyd: you can probably remove them if you don't plan on installing virtualbox. actually, guest-utils is a non-free package so it's weird that it was installed by default |
| 19:18.08 | pingfloyd | axc1298: I found it kind of surprising those were installed by default, because as far as I know, they're only needed if I were installing to a vbox vm |
| 19:18.45 | karlpinc | pingfloyd: It's odd that any of those were installed by default. |
| 19:19.07 | pingfloyd | karlpinc and axc1298: those are meant for running in the guest and not host right? |
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| 19:20.58 | pingfloyd | karlpinc and axc1298: I went ahead and purged them. Thanks for the feedback. |
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| 19:22.06 | axc1298 | i just checked and they are in contrib, so that must be in your sources.list, which isn't default as far as i know |
| 19:22.19 | axc1298 | i had to add contrib and non-free manually |
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| 19:27.19 | pingfloyd | yeah my sources have contrib included |
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| 19:29.33 | lilibox | hi |
| 19:29.59 | lilibox | i tried build icecat on atom cpu :), after hours i ended with this error: /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value |
| 19:30.17 | lilibox | i am on amd64 platform and used default ./configure and make |
| 19:30.29 | lilibox | anybody has clue, what wrong happen? |
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| 19:32.24 | mariachiac | Hello. My brother has installed debian on a sony vaio s13. He instaled Debian Jessie. the installer finishes and when the system reboots it says sh Can't access tty. Job control turned off. |
| 19:33.09 | Aebian | blind: did so and it works like a charm. Do zou know if I can set-up a special key that needs to be pressed to allow the swtich? |
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| 19:33.32 | blind | Aebian: I'm not sure, never desired that functionality personally |
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| 19:34.04 | Aebian | blind: default seems to be scroll lock |
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| 19:34.43 | pingfloyd | mariachiac: did he encounter any error during running the installer? |
| 19:34.50 | mariachiac | pingfloyd: No. |
| 19:35.17 | mariachiac | pingfloyd: it said that it was successful and its now time to boot into your new debian system. |
| 19:35.21 | mariachiac | Or something to that nature. |
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| 19:35.25 | pingfloyd | mariachiac: any other message come up on bootup? |
| 19:36.51 | pingfloyd | mariachiac: is this happening at the phase when X11 is starting up? |
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| 19:40.34 | mariachiac | pingfloyd: It says running early hook, udev, starting version 220, running hook udev, triggering uvents (I think its uvents) 4.8235221 i8042: can't read ctr while initializing: i8042. performing fsck on /dev/sda2, recovering journal, clean. running cleaning hook udev, bailing out, you are on yoru own, good luck. sh can't access tty job control turned off. |
| 19:40.38 | pingfloyd | mariachiac: this looks like maybe a problem with the initramfs |
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| 19:42.35 | karlpinc | mariachiac: The thing to do is boot into the installer disk in rescue mode. |
| 19:42.48 | jarvin | Can you run debian with a 6 core I7 |
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| 19:44.29 | mariachiac | karlpinc: Ok I'll have him try that. It might be a bit though since he has to do some work on another computer. |
| 19:44.31 | karlpinc | mariachiac: Once you are running and have shell as root (chrooted into your installed disk, which I think is what happens in rescue mode) try "update-initramfs -u". Then reboot. |
| 19:44.42 | mariachiac | karlpinc: Ok. |
| 19:45.55 | pingfloyd | mariachiac: looks like your issue happens when it can't find the rootfs, one thing that has worked for some is referencing by uuid |
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| 19:46.45 | mariachiac | pingfloyd: Ok that should be fixed in fstab. |
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| 19:47.05 | karlpinc | mariachiac: That, at least, will rebuild your initramfs. This might or might not solve the problem. If it does not, you could try installing the sysvinit package. This will let you try booting without systemd. Whether or not this will really help I don't know but might help with diagnostics. |
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| 19:47.21 | mariachiac | karlpinc: nod |
| 19:47.36 | karlpinc | mariachiac: Maybe not in fstab but in the kernel command line. |
| 19:47.43 | karlpinc | mariachiac: (grub) |
| 19:48.13 | mariachiac | karlpinc: Ahhh yes I'ven ot workd with grubs in ages. |
| 19:48.21 | mariachiac | urr grub. |
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| 19:48.25 | karlpinc | mariachiac: Also, see the install manual. It has help for problems like this. |
| 19:48.32 | mariachiac | Ok. |
| 19:48.52 | karlpinc | mariachiac: You can edit the kernel command line from the grub menu. Then figure out how to make it permanent. |
| 19:49.59 | karlpinc | mariachiac: Something like: Edit /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub. |
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| 19:50.04 | asti | hello |
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| 19:50.07 | mariachiac | Ok. |
| 19:50.22 | asti | I can't connect to my machine using ssh |
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| 19:50.53 | asti | no matter what I do, it tells me: ssh: connect to host xxxx port 22: Connection refused |
| 19:51.04 | karlpinc | mariachiac: I'm also thinking of the upgrade instructions. Sometimes there's stuff that comes up like this when upgrading and there's a chapter in there for problem solving. |
| 19:51.10 | asti | can someone give me a suggestion on what to do? |
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| 19:51.46 | karlpinc | asti: Does "ss -lt" say ssh is listening? |
| 19:51.48 | jasabella | asti... are you listening on the right interface? |
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| 19:54.07 | lilibox | what is icecat replacement for jessie? |
| 19:54.25 | karlpinc | mariachiac: When I say "edit the kernel command line from the grub menu" I mean the grub menu that comes up at boot. |
| 19:54.44 | markybob | lilibox, iceweasel |
| 19:55.00 | mariachiac | karlpinc: Ok. |
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| 19:55.14 | stoned | IW runs very lowly for me, so much so that opening tabs is a pain. Animation to open tabs takes a while. |
| 19:55.44 | zykotick9 | lilibox: fyi, you _can_ use the binary icecat version on jessie fine... it just won't autoupdate. |
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| 19:56.56 | stoned | http://i.imgur.com/oW7Ao7m.png <- the only addons I have |
| 19:57.04 | stoned | And a basic dark theme |
| 19:57.29 | stoned | It's amazingly slow to use. Renders pages ok enough, but IW is very slowly and unresponvely usablity |
| 19:57.30 | asti | karlpinc: yea. it says `:::SSH :::*` |
| 19:57.47 | stoned | er.. very slow and unresponsive in usability |
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| 19:58.05 | stoned | Any idea how to make IW faster? |
| 19:58.09 | blind | stoned: try out uBlock instead of ABP. ABP used to be the truth, not anymore... |
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| 19:58.18 | stoned | ok |
| 19:58.19 | stoned | sure thing |
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| 19:58.39 | nolsen | Does debian support EFI? |
| 19:58.48 | blind | Yes |
| 19:59.05 | nolsen | because last time I tried, there was no EFI folder. |
| 19:59.06 | stoned | blind: there are two versions, shall I use Origin 1.5.1 or "mew"Block 0.9.5 |
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| 19:59.20 | blind | I use Origin |
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| 19:59.27 | stoned | There is a ublock and mewblock (mew being micro or whatever u symbol, backwards y) |
| 19:59.29 | stoned | ok |
| 19:59.34 | stoned | BTW, what is that u sumbol called? |
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| 19:59.46 | blind | Mu |
| 19:59.50 | stoned | Ah. |
| 19:59.50 | lilibox | markybob thank you, i guessed iceweasel is obsolete, icecat was successor |
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| 19:59.55 | stoned | Close enough. Mew Mu |
| 19:59.58 | jelly | nolsen: are you refering to /boot/efi mount point for the UEFI boot partition? |
| 19:59.58 | markybob | lilibox, nope |
| 20:00.07 | nolsen | no. |
| 20:00.15 | lilibox | zykotick9: interesting, when i tried apt-get install icecat nothing was found |
| 20:00.40 | jelly | nolsen: can you be more specific, then? |
| 20:00.42 | markybob | lilibox, correct. it's not in the repositories. |
| 20:00.55 | zykotick9 | lilibox: that's because icecat isn't in debian. but if you wanted it, you can download/run it. |
| 20:01.04 | stoned | OH WAHOOO |
| 20:01.15 | stoned | blind: tab openeing and closing is a little more reponsive now |
| 20:01.16 | Shadow_7 | using fedora to rsync clone my debian on a stick. How annoying a distro. xterm... nope... cfdisk... nope... gnome-terminal-server and parted instead. Plus buried in the menus / well hidden microsoft style just to get a terminal. |
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| 20:02.49 | lilibox | zykotick9 i am looking for something easy for basic web only, i use debian in text mode as my server |
| 20:02.55 | Shadow_7 | clicked on the more intuitive software, which went to a store with no X icon. Luckily the boss key (ESCAPE) got me out of it. After trying a few other hot keys. |
| 20:03.03 | lilibox | and over x11vnc i used icecat0.14 |
| 20:03.22 | lilibox | on remote puter |
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| 20:03.34 | blind | parted > cfdisk any day of the week imo |
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| 20:03.57 | Shadow_7 | blind: yes... but cfdisk is more intuitive and didn't need a tutorial to figure out |
| 20:04.02 | zleap | just trying to install jessie on my netbook, it asked for a disk with the firmware drivers on, what exactly was it expecting here |
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| 20:04.15 | zleap | i don't have one, so i clicked next can i install these later on post install ? |
| 20:04.19 | zykotick9 | lilibox: ahhh for text web, i'd suggest w3m... but if you just want a basic browser, iceweasel is what you're looking for. icecat is a specialized fork of firefox, based on security/privacy. |
| 20:04.25 | blind | does cfdisk even work with GPT? |
| 20:04.43 | Shadow_7 | blind: it appears to... if the whole drive is dd'd to 0 first |
| 20:04.55 | simonlnu | don't touch gpt with cfdisk |
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| 20:05.36 | asti | karlpinc: so do you have any idea what the problem could be? |
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| 20:05.45 | Shadow_7 | otherwise the partition type of the disk is set and stone and cannot be changed |
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| 20:05.55 | wondiws | is mkisofs still available in Debian, or is this deprecated? |
| 20:06.08 | simonlnu | you can change it. just don't use that. |
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| 20:06.43 | Shadow_7 | wondiws: growisofs basically is mkisofs (or a fork of it) |
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| 20:06.50 | simonlnu | i converted this thing from mbr/bios to gpt/uefi. |
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| 20:07.03 | simonlnu | without wiping data. |
| 20:07.23 | Shadow_7 | wondiws: wherever you see mkisofs in the documentation swap in growisofs |
| 20:07.35 | wondiws | Shadow_7, I was hinted into the direction of xorriso |
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| 20:08.05 | Shadow_7 | wondiws: probably more modern, but growisofs has mostly the same syntax as mkisofs |
| 20:08.20 | Shadow_7 | although lacks the cdda2wav and such which was nice about mkisofs |
| 20:08.34 | wondiws | Shadow_7, then I go with growisofs |
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| 20:09.21 | Shadow_7 | wondiws: if you wanting to make audio cds, growisofs is fine. If you're wanting to make bootable mediums, xorriso might better suit |
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| 20:09.37 | lilibox | zykotick9 i use it in graphics mode, over x11vnc |
| 20:09.43 | wondiws | Shadow_7, I want the latter, but in my example they use mkisofs |
| 20:09.47 | lilibox | it is kinda complicated ;) |
| 20:10.03 | zykotick9 | Shadow_7: i didn't think growisofs supported CD media, and was DVD only? |
| 20:10.05 | stoned | question about debian stable and TOR package which is out of date |
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| 20:10.10 | Shadow_7 | wondiws: well secure boot and other things make it less simple |
| 20:10.17 | stoned | I proxy iceweasel through tor local proxy 9050 |
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| 20:10.29 | stoned | Is tor secure to use on stable considering the packages are old? |
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| 20:10.46 | stoned | I know they get security updates, so that's good |
| 20:10.56 | stoned | But should I maybe build tor from source? you think? |
| 20:11.19 | Shadow_7 | zykotick9: I recall using it mostly for dvds, but think I did a few audio disc iso's bitd. Although might have just dd'd those after creation. |
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| 20:11.34 | nolsen | jelly: Well, last time I tried, my BIOS couldn't detect the flash drive. |
| 20:11.43 | nolsen | Because there was no UEFI support. |
| 20:12.11 | lilibox | zykotick9: i used fake xvfb, then icecat and then x11vnc |
| 20:12.28 | AvatarA | stoned, it's highly recommended you use the tor browser bundle |
| 20:12.32 | lilibox | i am wonder if iceweasel will act exactly as same as icecat |
| 20:12.39 | zykotick9 | lilibox: it should... |
| 20:12.42 | Shadow_7 | the optical disc medium is basically the same filesystem (pre-bluray). With it's quirks. 8.3 filenames (without extentions), 4GB limit for a single file, and other oddities. |
| 20:12.47 | asti | hello everyone. I'm stuck. Everytime I try to connect to my ssh server I get: `ssh: connect to host xxxx port 22: Connection refused`. Can anyone please tell me what the problem is? |
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| 20:13.04 | asti | or might be |
| 20:13.41 | jelly | nolsen: debian installer images, written directly to the stick, are supposed to work on (many, not all) UEFI-capable systems. Live images are less capable. |
| 20:13.47 | Shadow_7 | I'm not sure if bluray uses the iso9660 fs type. |
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| 20:14.40 | blind | nolsen: I've somewhat recently installed Jessie on multiple EFI systems with 0 issue |
| 20:14.51 | jelly | nolsen: so make sure you're using a debian 8 installer, and you've overwritten the whole stick device (no unetbootin or rufus or nothing) |
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| 20:15.15 | blind | Yeah, I just dd'd straight to my stick.. Have had a myriad of issues with unetbootin in the past. |
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| 20:16.03 | jelly | nolsen: which OS did you write the usb stick from? |
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| 20:19.31 | karlpinc | asti: That ss output says it's listening on IPv6 addresses. Not IPv4. |
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| 20:20.52 | nolsen | I used the live version |
| 20:21.06 | wondiws | Shadow_7, "image checksum error" :S |
| 20:21.07 | nolsen | Oh I see now, I used the live version, I'm trying the netinstall version now. |
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| 20:21.33 | Aebian | blind: I just wrote my own config with keystroke(Pause) = lockCursorToScreen(toggle) and changed the scroll lock therefore |
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| 20:22.32 | stoned | jelly: rufus can do iso written using dd instead of formatting as fat32 and unpacking everything and writing the mbr |
| 20:22.46 | stoned | I often write images to usb in windows using rufus' dd mode |
| 20:22.59 | stoned | That's because not all isos support hybrid mode |
| 20:23.04 | stoned | But debian does. |
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| 20:23.22 | blind | If I really need to do it on Windows, I use win32diskimager |
| 20:23.27 | jelly | karlpinc: except ipv6 _is_ ipv4 for all practical purposes. my sshd's listener is just the same, and yet connecting to, dunno, 127.0.0.1 or a public ipv4 address works. ESTAB 0 0 127.0.0.1:53146 127.0.0.1:ssh |
| 20:23.44 | stoned | :) |
| 20:24.45 | jelly | stoned: sounds more complicated than "use win32diskimager" |
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| 20:25.20 | SM0TVI | Okay, trying to clone a 60G drive to a 1TB, but getting nowhere fast. |
| 20:25.22 | stoned | trivial. start rufus, pick iso image, select dd mode. write it. |
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| 20:26.10 | stoned | there is a dd for windows in gnu32 I think |
| 20:26.24 | Shadow_7 | leave it to fedora live to crash and burn |
| 20:26.25 | stoned | But I've never gotten it to work correctly b/c it depends on windows \\physicaldrive |
| 20:26.28 | karlpinc | jelly: Interesting. Running jessie I get both *:ssh and :::ssh lines in "ss -lt" output. |
| 20:26.29 | stoned | something directive. |
| 20:26.34 | Shadow_7 | guess I'll keep my debian |
| 20:26.35 | blind | SM0TVI: What are you trying to accomplish? Could you just rsync the data from one drive to the other? |
| 20:26.50 | stoned | If you're on windows, there are 2 other methods to boot debian installer |
| 20:26.53 | karlpinc | asti: Can you ssh to localhost when on the box? |
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| 20:28.24 | stoned | 1) goodbye microsoft, OR EasyBCD/NeoGrub (grub4dos/nt etc no longer work on BCDs), and just follow debian installer guide on how to boot from ramdisk/kernel using grub legacy (neogrub), or, 2) use grub2for windows and again follow the install guide on how to boot ramdisk/kernel. |
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| 20:28.40 | stoned | You don't need to always burn an iso to cd or put on usb, though it is much easier. |
| 20:28.40 | asti | karlpinc: yea. I found the problem by the way. The machine's ip changed when I restarted it. shame shame shame. ;) thanks very much for your kind help though!! |
| 20:28.47 | jelly | karlpinc: sshd is speshul that way for some reason, but, dunno, apache just binds to :::80 |
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| 20:29.12 | stoned | in fact, goodbye microsoft no longer works on post XP, it fails on Vista/7/10 b/c of the BCD boot change from ntldr |
| 20:29.18 | SM0TVI | blind: Basically, I have 2 partitions on the source drive, which I want to copy to the new drive, the extended partition with linux-swap as is, the main fs partition expanding to use all available spacd. |
| 20:29.55 | stoned | Or if you can boot any other linux live cd, you can debootstrap a debian system on any hdd in the ssytem. |
| 20:30.00 | stoned | Follow install guide. |
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| 20:33.29 | stoned | (basically if you're on windows and have no other option to boot debian or burn something, You use EasyBCD to create a BCD entry for NeoGrub, and use c:\grub\menu.lst (AFAIK, read neogrub docs) to boot the debian installer. I had trouble w/ Grub2Windows, which is why I recommend NeoGrub |
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| 20:33.40 | stoned | I might automate this for Windows for others, in spirit of Goodbye Microsoft |
| 20:34.04 | stoned | obviously, w/o having to resort to EasyBCD. I don't fully understand the windows new boot stuffs |
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| 20:35.35 | blind | I use rEFInd on my EFI systems. I like it much better than grub, and it's (relatively?) easy to install from Windows too |
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| 20:36.48 | stoned | does it support CSM/legacy? |
| 20:36.58 | stoned | or *EFI only |
| 20:37.24 | stoned | I'm sorry, I've never owned anything w/ *EFI on it |
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| 20:37.31 | stoned | I'm on BIOS. |
| 20:37.48 | blind | Well it's an EFI boot manager, so I don't think it'll load if the BIOS is set to legacy mode |
| 20:37.51 | stoned | So I don't know much about that at all. |
| 20:37.54 | stoned | I see. |
| 20:38.26 | stoned | What's the use case? |
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| 20:39.28 | stoned | For installing debian, I don't see how this boot manager can load debian netboot initrd/kernel |
| 20:39.35 | stoned | Or am I missinng to think of something |
| 20:39.52 | blind | It can easily boot to a usb stick |
| 20:39.58 | lilibox | zykotick9: iceweasel runs similar icecat ran, but i am now able to run in in resolution i requested :( |
| 20:40.23 | stoned | Again, the goal in my mind is to install debian w/o usb/cd/dvd/ etc. |
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| 20:40.40 | zykotick9 | lilibox: i assume s/now/not/ ... sorry i've got nothing to suggest. best of luck. |
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| 20:40.56 | stoned | You just go to stonedwavesgoodbyetomicrosoft.com and download the proram, run it, reboot and you're given the debian installer. |
| 20:41.09 | blind | Oh. Interesting. |
| 20:41.14 | stoned | That's the ultimate goal. Whatever makes that happen |
| 20:41.16 | stoned | yeah |
| 20:41.24 | stoned | You are not familiar w/ goodbye-microsoft? |
| 20:41.35 | lilibox | i am trying to use it in this way: |
| 20:41.36 | lilibox | http://pastebin.com/CEeuFaw3 |
| 20:41.38 | AlexLikeRock | Lol |
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| 20:41.40 | stoned | I popularized this method and someone automated it in debian, finally. |
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| 20:41.58 | stoned | But w/ the change from ntldr to BCD, goodbye microsoft installer broke for post XP |
| 20:42.16 | nkuttler | stoned: netboot is supported |
| 20:42.18 | stoned | So I want to make a version 2 of goodbye microsoft debian installer helper |
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| 20:42.33 | stoned | nkuttler: I'm aware. Read the whole conversation. |
| 20:42.37 | stoned | nkuttler: and hi, ltns. How do you do? |
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| 20:43.33 | zykotick9 | lilibox: i don't go to pastebin.com (you can see "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" for some reasons why), paste.debian.net or termbin.com are two alternatives. but i doubt i'd be able to assist anyways, so probably doesn't matter for me anyways. |
| 20:44.13 | jelly | netboot is even more complex than all the stuff stoned just wrote about. Until a method is tested and established, let's give the user what's most likely to both work and be easily understood mkay |
| 20:44.35 | zleap | i found netboot ok |
| 20:44.46 | jelly | ... unless they specifically ask for five other ways to install |
| 20:44.51 | stoned | exactly. |
| 20:44.58 | stoned | jelly++ |
| 20:45.17 | lilibox | zykotick9: ok, thank you for your assist thou, i will fight with it a little bit and tommorow i will throw it to public :) |
| 20:45.21 | zleap | my problem is my wifi driver is non free so i am getting stuck |
| 20:46.08 | zleap | mint works fine, but is slow i want to be able to boot to console and start up x as required or just as startx to my .bashrc file for example |
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| 20:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, firmware image |
| 20:48.25 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 20:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | zleap, ^-------? |
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| 20:51.26 | stoned | Interesting. |
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| 20:51.44 | stoned | Good to know when I want to install on my laptop. |
| 20:51.57 | stoned | I probably have some whacky wifi chipset too |
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| 20:52.41 | stoned | oh, and no usb? no problem. No cd/dvd? No problem again. |
| 20:52.58 | stoned | downlaod unofficial netinst iso, get neogrub and use hd-media install. :) |
| 20:53.21 | stoned | (that's if you're on windows) |
| 20:54.45 | AlexLikeRock | Or a USB drive |
| 20:54.48 | AlexLikeRock | Bootable |
| 20:55.03 | stoned | Frugal install. |
| 20:55.17 | stoned | No media but a network connection and an hdd. |
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| 20:55.36 | stoned | Gotta think for when you got nothing to burn. |
| 20:55.43 | stoned | All puns intended. |
| 20:55.45 | stoned | ;) |
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| 20:58.22 | AlexLikeRock | I hate systemd |
| 20:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and a like term deserves another? |
| 20:58.47 | AlexLikeRock | Sustemd . try to take all control of my computer |
| 20:59.05 | AlexLikeRock | systemd**** |
| 20:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | it probably noticed you didn't have any control over it... do you have an actual question? |
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| 21:01.22 | zophy | does microsoft offer a linux distro ? |
| 21:01.26 | kisisten | hi, which service do I start in jessie, is it dovecot.service or dovecot.socket? |
| 21:01.40 | zleap | ok it looks like this package supports my wifi card https://packages.debian.org/jessie/kernel/broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 21:02.03 | SM0TVI | So, can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong, I'm trying to clone a drive with clonezilla, but the darn thing refuses to boot however I do it. |
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| 21:02.53 | zleap | do you need to set a boot flag somewhere |
| 21:03.30 | SM0TVI | zleap: Did that. And now the original drive is corrupted :( |
| 21:03.38 | stew | not many boot loaders pay attention to the boot flag |
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| 21:03.46 | zleap | hmm |
| 21:03.47 | stew | things like grub certainly don't |
| 21:03.54 | zophy | je tuis amis |
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| 21:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | kisisten, well, the one labeled ".service" is obviously the service :-/ but better describe the actual problem that you hit, including the errors you get... you did hit a problem, right? |
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| 21:05.16 | stew | kisisten: yes, I'd think the thing you start is just "dovecot" |
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| 21:07.29 | zleap | ok i will try the non-free netinstall iso |
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| 21:08.53 | SM0TVI | Okay, so I apparently munged the UUID of the original drive. Can anybody please help? |
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| 21:09.56 | stoned | SM0TVI: what's the problem? |
| 21:10.38 | SM0TVI | stoned: I was trying to clone a 60GB drive to a 1TB one, keeping the extended partition as-is in size but extending the main partition to fill the available space. |
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| 21:11.08 | stoned | And then? |
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| 21:11.39 | SM0TVI | stoned: Won't boot from new device, and I apparently munged the UUID of the original drive, meaning I drop into initramfs now. |
| 21:12.00 | SM0TVI | stoned: Won't boot from new device, and I apparently munged the UUID of the original drive, meaning I drop into initramfs now.e |
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| 21:12.26 | jelly | SM0TVI: ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid/ will show you detected UUIDs |
| 21:12.36 | SM0TVI | Yep, I have two there. |
| 21:13.23 | jelly | SM0TVI: reboot back to boot loader, edit the boot parameters and set the correct root= parameter |
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| 21:14.17 | stoned | How are you getting dropped to initramfs if you can load the ramdisk, maybe you need to specify root=/dev/whatever instead of using UUID or something. |
| 21:14.20 | jelly | (hint: root=/dev/sdb5 is probably easier to type than root=UUID=bbbccf95-dbb5-4bcd-9f91-9f0e6c0d9e16 |
| 21:14.38 | stoned | oh yes, that's it. |
| 21:15.11 | SM0TVI | Okay, so set root=/dev/sdb1, then? |
| 21:15.35 | stoned | pass that as your kernel parameter in either grub config or on teh boot prompt |
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| 21:15.44 | stoned | i think hit e to exit and f10 to boot |
| 21:15.46 | stoned | I forgot the keys. |
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| 21:15.50 | stoned | edit* |
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| 21:18.11 | nolsen_ | How to turn up the brightness on LXDE? It's straining my eyes ._. |
| 21:18.33 | nolsen_ | Also on bootup it says it needed firmware-linux-nonfree, but it's not available as a package. |
| 21:19.13 | zykotick9 | nolsen_: you probably would need to add the non-free repo... <- just a guess |
| 21:19.25 | nolsen_ | How do I do that? |
| 21:19.37 | nolsen_ | I can't hardly focus with the brightness so low |
| 21:19.39 | nolsen_ | can* |
| 21:19.45 | markybob | nolsen_, nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib non-free" after "main" then apt-get update |
| 21:19.46 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell nolsen_ about non-free sources |
| 21:19.52 | stew | nolsen_: "xbacklight -set 100" |
| 21:20.05 | SM0TVI | jelly: No go and now the computer crashed *sigh* |
| 21:20.21 | nolsen_ | stew, No outputs have backlight property |
| 21:20.22 | Aebian | where do I exactly change the screen timeout again? (jessie latest cinnamon de |
| 21:20.27 | nolsen_ | "No outputs have backlight property"* |
| 21:20.45 | nolsen_ | Maybe debian didn't load any laptop modules. |
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| 21:21.18 | stoned | Aebian: http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html |
| 21:21.35 | nolsen_ | Or maybe LXDE is being horrible. |
| 21:21.52 | stew | nolsen_: is there anything in /sys/class/backlight ? |
| 21:21.54 | stew | probably not |
| 21:22.05 | Aebian | stoned: thank you sir |
| 21:22.21 | nolsen_ | stew: acpi_video0 |
| 21:22.39 | stoned | Aebian: man xset |
| 21:22.51 | Aebian | thanks ^^^ |
| 21:22.57 | stoned | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling also this |
| 21:23.07 | SM0TVI | jelly: stoned: Thanks for the help, but I pooched the old HD good. Netinstall next *hisses* |
| 21:23.08 | stoned | Sheds a bit of light on it. |
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| 21:23.44 | nolsen_ | For some reason if I try to turn the brightness up by unplugging then plugging in the charger, it pops up the screen settings. |
| 21:23.52 | nolsen_ | display settings* |
| 21:23.56 | kisisten | CutMeOwnThroat: if I start dovecot.service than dovecot.socket fails and vice versa |
| 21:24.01 | stoned | SM0TVI: I keep a backup of all my sytem configs in ~/home sep partition, and you can get a list of packages that are already intalled using apt |
| 21:24.07 | nolsen_ | I could try a different DE. |
| 21:24.25 | kisisten | CutMeOwnThroat: from what I gatter .service is for init.d and socket is for systemd to do the same thing |
| 21:24.36 | stoned | SM0TVI: why don't you boot a live cd, and then go into your debian install on the hdd and backup whatever you need |
| 21:24.47 | stoned | SM0TVI: might even be able to get an apt clone list |
| 21:24.54 | stoned | clone the package list after a netinst |
| 21:24.56 | stew | nolsen_: then I would try somehting like "sudo cp /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/{max_brightness,brightness}" assuming those two files exist |
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| 21:25.37 | stew | kisisten: how are you trying to start the service, I think you want to just be starting a service called "dovecot" not "dovecot.service" |
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| 21:26.07 | stoned | SM0TVI: try a live cd, then mount your hdd, then I think chroot into it, and maybe reinstall your bootloader? |
| 21:26.14 | stoned | SM0TVI: could help. |
| 21:26.45 | SM0TVI | stoned: FS size in superblock munged. |
| 21:27.05 | stoned | Sometimes it takes less time to do an install |
| 21:27.21 | stew | SM0TVI: there are backup superblocks |
| 21:27.30 | stoned | For next time, always keep system configs backed up on sep partition and keep a package list so you can clone on to another system if you need to reinstall |
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| 21:28.01 | stew | SM0TVI: and you should be able to fsck with an alternate superblock (if this is indeed the only problem with the fs) |
| 21:28.20 | stoned | I wouldn't give up just yet, though. |
| 21:30.16 | stoned | man dumpe2fs probably |
| 21:30.37 | stoned | simply just dumpe2fs /dev/sdb1 |grep suer |
| 21:30.40 | stoned | simply just dumpe2fs /dev/sdb1 |grep super |
| 21:31.10 | stoned | then fsck -b first backup superblock number /dev/sdb1 |
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| 21:31.45 | stoned | SM0TVI: what is your FS btw? |
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| 21:34.59 | SM0TVI | ext4 |
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| 21:35.46 | stoned | ok |
| 21:35.57 | mateus | hi all |
| 21:35.58 | stew | SM0TVI: right, then you'll have alternate superblocks which you can get from dumpe2fs |
| 21:36.00 | stoned | Well I don't really remember off the top of my head, just google for how to repair bad superblock |
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| 21:36.13 | stoned | on ext2/3/4 |
| 21:36.30 | stew | SM0TVI: and then try to fsck with an alternate superblock by giving fsck a -b |
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| 21:37.16 | stoned | Yup. That was it then |
| 21:37.32 | stoned | My meory is pretty alright for being a stoned. |
| 21:38.06 | mateus | hi |
| 21:38.14 | stew | mateus: hi |
| 21:38.17 | stoned | o/ |
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| 21:39.39 | mateus | i wanto to try mr debian, but my bios its uefi,,, its possible to burn dvd image from another computer n install throght pendrive? |
| 21:40.26 | JT|work | yep, that's what I did |
| 21:40.31 | AlexLikeRock | Yes |
| 21:40.34 | JT|work | intel NUC with uefi, no cdrom drive :) |
| 21:40.59 | zykotick9 | mateus: fyi, i don't think the debian-live supports uefi, just use the regular netinst. |
| 21:41.04 | AlexLikeRock | Mateus . try remover UEFI to change to LEGACI |
| 21:41.20 | stoned | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 21:41.38 | stoned | Should help. What is your other computer's OS? |
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| 21:41.47 | AlexLikeRock | Its 64 bit? |
| 21:41.49 | mateus | i use windows 7 |
| 21:41.55 | mateus | 64 iit |
| 21:42.17 | stoned | Ok, then you want to get Debian Install Disc #1 for your arch, I'm assuming amd64 |
| 21:42.17 | mateus | i already burned at dvd debian 8.2 |
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| 21:42.25 | stoned | ok |
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| 21:42.34 | stoned | Boot it up! |
| 21:42.50 | markybob | mateus, yes. live install doesn't support uefi, so you'll have to use non-graphical. also, no installer supports secure boot. so you'll have to disable that in bios if it's set |
| 21:43.41 | mateus | hum, my probmem is.. the pc i want to install has uefi n if dont put a win 8 or highter, its freeze,, not aloow my drive to work, but i bootted tails there... |
| 21:43.47 | stoned | markybob: debian live or textmode vs gui installer? That was a bit confusing. |
| 21:43.55 | zykotick9 | markybob: there is a gui in netinst... i'm not sure why anyone would use it, but it is there. |
| 21:43.58 | markybob | mateus, you can use uefi without secure boot |
| 21:44.05 | stoned | live doesn't support UEFI and nothing support secureboto unless you're ubuntu or fedora |
| 21:44.22 | JT|work | I'm pretty sure I installed stable with the gui |
| 21:44.30 | stoned | GUI should work. |
| 21:44.32 | JT|work | which was testing or unstable at the time |
| 21:44.57 | mateus | omg,, |
| 21:45.12 | stoned | zykotick9: I tried it. I find it slow. Text install is super fast responsive. |
| 21:45.20 | mateus | i guess i just need a isso burner to pen at win7 |
| 21:45.32 | stoned | mateus: download Rufus |
| 21:45.40 | zykotick9 | stoned: "... i'm not sure why anyone would use it" ;) |
| 21:45.51 | markybob | !rufus |
| 21:45.52 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 21:46.00 | markybob | don't use rufus |
| 21:46.16 | stoned | THAT factoid is half correct. |
| 21:46.20 | stoned | There is nothing wrong w/ Rufus in DD mode. |
| 21:46.25 | stoned | It just burns the image directly |
| 21:46.46 | stoned | The ISO mode unpacks the iso and format the USB as fat32 and copies it, then does the mbr |
| 21:46.54 | stoned | Rufus is just fine. |
| 21:46.57 | stoned | Just like using dd. |
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| 21:47.05 | stoned | Don't use ISO burn mode. |
| 21:47.17 | markybob | !tell mateus about w32diskimager |
| 21:47.29 | markybob | !tell mateus about win32diskimager |
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| 21:49.17 | mateus | i had many problems trying to burn isos linux to usb,,that asus motherboadsucks |
| 21:49.20 | zleap | ok got debian jessie installed how do i now work out if my wireless drivers are installed |
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| 21:49.38 | AlexLikeRock | To make make a bootable usb |
| 21:49.51 | ghormoon | is there easy way (as root) to check (rwead only) what's going on a certain VT (console)? I've forgot to screen again :)) |
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| 21:51.19 | SM0TVI | So, with a stomped superblock, is there a way to recover from it? |
| 21:51.37 | stew | SM0TVI: use a backup superblock |
| 21:52.01 | SM0TVI | stew: E.g. fsck and some option? |
| 21:52.15 | zykotick9 | ghormoon: chvt perhaps? |
| 21:52.22 | stew | SM0TVI: yes, the option is -b as I said before. were you able to find bakcup superblocks with dumpe2fs? |
| 21:52.53 | SM0TVI | stew: I'm doing a fresh install, then going to see what I can recover from the HD. |
| 21:53.14 | mateus | at rufus, i created bootble disk at? |
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| 21:53.29 | nolsen | E: Unable to locate package mate |
| 21:53.37 | nolsen | How come mate was suddenly removed from packages? |
| 21:53.39 | nolsen | MATE* |
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| 21:56.40 | nolsen | And how do I completely delete lxde from here? |
| 21:56.59 | ghormoon | zykotick9: thanks, I'll try next time, until I noticed your answer it idi finish (i thought the probless is like 20% less) |
| 21:57.41 | zleap | apt-get remove lxde |
| 21:57.55 | zleap | what happens if you deselect from tasksel ? |
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| 21:58.34 | nolsen | zleap: I don't know, I'm planning to just reinstall debian. |
| 21:58.47 | zleap | ok |
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| 21:58.58 | zleap | what do you want instead of lxde |
| 21:59.00 | stew | nolsen: I don't see a history of a package named just "mate" i see a lot with mate in the name |
| 21:59.16 | nolsen | Mate DE |
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| 21:59.27 | nolsen | Well I need to reinstall mate because autoremove deleted some stuff. |
| 21:59.28 | stew | yes, but what is the package name |
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| 21:59.31 | nolsen | I don't know. |
| 22:00.39 | Shadow_7 | nolsen: if you use aptitude ... perhaps... aptitude install --reinstall mate |
| 22:01.06 | nolsen | aptitude: unrecognized option '--reinstall' |
| 22:01.08 | Shadow_7 | otherwise mate-desktop might be what you're after |
| 22:01.15 | Shadow_7 | ,v mate-desktop |
| 22:01.16 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.10.2-1; sid: 1.12.1-1 |
| 22:01.27 | Shadow_7 | nolsen: apt-get install --reinstall mate-desktop |
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| 22:01.46 | nolsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.51 | Shadow_7 | nolsen: or apt-get -f install ... if deps are missing |
| 22:02.23 | nolsen | Also, apt-get autoremove will basically kill my entire graphical part of my OS. |
| 22:02.31 | nolsen | Since I attempted purging lxde. |
| 22:02.33 | Shadow_7 | nolsen: are you on stable? or backports? or other? |
| 22:02.39 | nolsen | backports |
| 22:03.02 | Shadow_7 | I'm on just stable and mate seems there and installed |
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| 22:03.29 | nolsen | https://paste.kde.org/pqkptmj3c/uofyv6 |
| 22:04.04 | nolsen | apt-get autoremove wants to remove all of that. |
| 22:04.16 | greycat | So don't type apt-get autoremove. |
| 22:04.32 | nolsen | How do I just make them all marked as keep |
| 22:04.41 | greycat | "apt-get install" each thing |
| 22:04.44 | nolsen | ... |
| 22:04.47 | nolsen | A faster way. |
| 22:05.02 | greycat | Don't type apt-get autoremove. |
| 22:05.07 | greycat | That's really fast. |
| 22:05.15 | nolsen | ... |
| 22:05.29 | stew | nolsen: use apt-mark |
| 22:05.31 | nolsen | And my terminal gets spammed with that. |
| 22:06.33 | markybob | apt-mark is no faster than apt-get install :P |
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| 22:25.57 | hanshenrik | what is the correct way to alias a binary in /usr/local/bin? |
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| 22:27.04 | hanshenrik | what is the correct way to alias a binary in /usr/local/bin? and how can I make 1? softlink? hardlink? something else? for example, when I apt-get install vim; Aptitude will alias /usr/local/bin/vi as /usr/local/bin/vim (if I recall correctly) |
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| 22:27.51 | fedgoat | make a sym link or set an alias in your .bashrc file |
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| 22:28.06 | nkuttler | hanshenrik: apt shouldn't do anything in /usr/local |
| 22:28.10 | stew | hanshenrik: apt shouldn't be touching anything in /usr/local including symlinks. it would possibly update symlinks in /usr/bin such as the /usr/bin/vi symlink (via the alternatives system) |
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| 22:29.41 | stew | hanshenrik: are you sure you mean /usr/local/bin/vi and not /usr/bin/vi? what does "which vi" return for you now? |
| 22:30.27 | hanshenrik | that was just an example, but /usr/bin/vi |
| 22:30.40 | hanshenrik | and i dont got vim installed on this box |
| 22:30.45 | hanshenrik | ..iirc |
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| 22:30.55 | stew | hanshenrik: to alter what that points to, you would use "sudo update-alternatives --config vi" |
| 22:31.16 | stew | hanshenrik: apt would alter this setting for you if the vi alternative were in "auto" mode |
| 22:31.29 | teraflops | hanshenrik: why not an alias directly in .bashrc |
| 22:31.44 | hanshenrik | teraflops, i want it to apply for all users |
| 22:32.11 | hanshenrik | lets say i want to alias /usr/bin/foo with /usr/bin/bar , how should i do that? |
| 22:32.31 | fedgoat | ln -s {target-filename} {symbolic-filename} |
| 22:32.45 | nolsen | What sound driver does debian use by default? alsa or pulseaudio? |
| 22:32.49 | teraflops | use /etc/profile and source it for each user ... nah i just dislike simlinks, i better bail on this one |
| 22:32.52 | nolsen | Because autoremove removed some stuff. |
| 22:32.53 | stew | fedgoat: no, not for somehting managed by alternatives |
| 22:32.56 | hanshenrik | nolsen, alsa iirc x.x |
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| 22:33.28 | stew | that depends on what you have installed |
| 22:33.35 | nolsen | Because sound doesn't work. |
| 22:33.49 | nolsen | Probably because autoremove removed something |
| 22:34.02 | teraflops | if you installed a DE i bet it defaults to pulse |
| 22:34.03 | hanshenrik | ok thanks guys, symlink it is |
| 22:34.25 | fedgoat | why cant they just use the normal path |
| 22:34.29 | stew | hanshenrik: you should look at the vi, editor, view alternatives probably |
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| 22:35.04 | nolsen | I give up, I think I'm going to reinstall debian. |
| 22:35.08 | nolsen | Because packages are broken. |
| 22:35.36 | nolsen | https://paste.kde.org/pyrh3hov5/dvno0o |
| 22:35.41 | fedgoat | alternatives meh whoever came up with that |
| 22:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolsen, alsa and pulse are not mutually exclusive... but alsa is in the kernel, pulse in userspace, last I looked |
| 22:36.15 | nolsen | How do I fix sound ._. |
| 22:36.25 | nolsen | Sound does not play whatsoever |
| 22:36.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | these are two different questions, though. do you want to fix the sound, or undo what some autoremove did |
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| 22:37.02 | fedgoat | linux doesn't need sound |
| 22:37.06 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: heh |
| 22:37.07 | fedgoat | next question |
| 22:37.16 | nolsen | CutMeOwnThroat: bot. |
| 22:37.18 | nolsen | both* |
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| 22:37.35 | nolsen | fedgoat: If I ever want to watch youtube or nextflix, it does. |
| 22:37.45 | fedgoat | buy a mac |
| 22:37.54 | teraflops | wat |
| 22:38.00 | fedgoat | haha |
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| 22:38.07 | nolsen | fedgoat: How is that helping? |
| 22:38.23 | fedgoat | what driver? |
| 22:38.33 | nolsen | Have no clue, I don't keep a track on what I use. |
| 22:38.34 | nolsen | or have. |
| 22:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolsen, it will get more and more confusing if you do two things at once |
| 22:38.52 | axc1298 | for some reason my kdm login manager isn't starting when i boot up. anyone know what i should check to enable it? |
| 22:39.02 | nolsen | CutMeOwnThroat: I want to fix sound first. |
| 22:39.23 | jhutchins | nolsen: aptitude -f install, aptitude purge pulseaudio. |
| 22:39.51 | fedgoat | cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 22:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn, the other one is easier to answer |
| 22:40.29 | nolsen | jhutchins, The first command is basically autoremove |
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| 22:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolsen, then not as answer, but as general info: you can see what packages were installed/uninstalled/upgraded in /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 22:41.15 | Vulcan00 | https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12510301_147023532336667_2683841877855630478_n.jpg?oh=3d7b42e9ea041ff2f158e34de65a56b8&oe=570482A4 |
| 22:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolsen, it's a bit outdated, but... you can /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 22:42.26 | Vulcan00 | Do you see my picture? |
| 22:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolsen, you may also call pavucontrol and run pulse -k if you're using pulse... also, may need to restart applications |
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| 22:43.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolsen, mind, that with many alsa drivers, a deadlock can occur, because only one application at a time can use the audio device. You should see applications using (and blocking) the sound device with fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 22:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if more than one user has programs running on that machine, you have to run fuser as root to see processes from all users) |
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| 22:48.05 | nolsen | CutMeOwnThroat: I managed to fix pulseaudio, but no sound. |
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| 22:49.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolsen, there is a whole chain of things between the program wanting to play sound and the speakers... the point is to find which link is failing... I think the factoids and I pointed out all things that can fail and how to check for them |
| 22:49.31 | nolsen | Wait, audio is working. |
| 22:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | take your time to go through it |
| 22:49.35 | nolsen | But no volume control. |
| 22:50.19 | nolsen | I just had to unplug and plugin headset to make it work, but I have no volume control. |
| 22:50.19 | stew | nolsen: how are you trying to change the volume hnow? |
| 22:50.38 | nolsen | stew: special keyboard binding? |
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| 22:50.52 | stew | bound to what? |
| 22:51.08 | nolsen | Fn+F3 and Fn+F4 |
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| 22:51.18 | stew | what is Fn+F3 bound to? |
| 22:51.31 | nolsen | Volume down. |
| 22:51.41 | stew | how? |
| 22:51.45 | nolsen | ... |
| 22:51.52 | nolsen | Does it look like that I know? |
| 22:51.56 | fedgoat | not gonna automatically work because it has little speaker icons |
| 22:51.56 | fedgoat | haha |
| 22:52.08 | stew | I bind mine through my windowmanager or via xbindkeys |
| 22:52.09 | nolsen | I didn't create the bindings, it's built in. |
| 22:52.28 | nolsen | it worked before on my previous OS. |
| 22:52.30 | stew | built into what? your window manager? |
| 22:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolsen, call pavucontrol if it's via pulse or alsamixer if it's via alsa |
| 22:52.32 | jhutchins | nolsen: Function Keys don't have a standard for what code they send, so whether they work is pretty hit-or-miss. |
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| 22:53.08 | grimm665 | Does anyone know anything about bugs surrounding an install of Stretch using a preseed file? Possibly related to perl 5.22? |
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| 22:53.32 | grimm665 | I tried an install with a known-good preseed file that was built before the release of Perl6, and since then the preseed file is failing during package install. |
| 22:54.14 | jhutchins | grimm665: The testing installer is for testing the installer, not for installing testing. There's little point in testing until after the freeze because it has to wait until most changes are finalized before it can be finished. |
| 22:54.18 | nolsen | <fedgoat> not gonna automatically work because it has little speaker icons |
| 22:54.23 | nolsen | It actually does work. |
| 22:54.39 | nolsen | If autoremove didn't mess up my sound |
| 22:54.52 | fedgoat | nice |
| 22:55.17 | kisisten | stew: in systemctl there is both dovecot.socket and dovecot.service, bot seem to do the same thing, enable the dovecot services |
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| 22:55.38 | nolsen | Were there supposed to be a volume control on my taskbar for MATE? |
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| 22:56.06 | grimm665 | jhutchins: I am trying to install Testing, using the Stretch Alpha 4 installer, which seems to be the recommended way according to https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 22:56.23 | grimm665 | the point is, this setup has worked before, and is now no longer working |
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| 22:56.34 | grimm665 | and im not sure how to track down the bug |
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| 22:56.52 | stew | kisisten: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:57.01 | kisisten | stew: the init.d has a sysv init start script also |
| 22:57.12 | stew | kisisten: are you running systemd or sysv? |
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| 22:57.18 | kisisten | stew: figure out why do I have both services |
| 22:57.31 | kisisten | stew: i think both |
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| 22:57.40 | stew | can't be more than one |
| 22:58.01 | kisisten | systemct status dovecot.socket works, so systemd seems to work |
| 22:58.20 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 22:59.01 | stew | kisisten: yes, so one starts a daemon, and one manages a socket |
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| 22:59.22 | marioxcc | I am an enthusiast (non-professional) programmer. I use GNU/Linux. I would like to learn to write tests for my programs "the right way". What book, tutorial, web page, or practices do you recommend?. |
| 22:59.37 | marioxcc | (for C) |
| 22:59.41 | kisisten | stew: so why is the .socket fails to start |
| 22:59.42 | kisisten | ? |
| 22:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... working volume keys would be sweet... the thinkpad +/- here generates XF86AudioRaiseVolume but that doesn't do anything |
| 22:59.51 | kisisten | i have to stop the .service first |
| 22:59.56 | stew | kisisten: how are you trying to start it? |
| 23:00.09 | kisisten | systemctl start dovecot.socket |
| 23:00.18 | kisisten | stew: ^ |
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| 23:00.33 | stew | kisisten: and what are you actually trying to do? why do you want to start the socket without the service? |
| 23:01.03 | stew | kisisten: are you just trying to start dovecot? |
| 23:01.12 | kisisten | stew: because the socket is in "failed" status |
| 23:01.13 | teraflops | kisisten: well the socket does no start any service |
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| 23:01.29 | teraflops | kisisten: sockect means socket activation |
| 23:01.30 | kisisten | teraflops: sure does |
| 23:01.33 | teraflops | no it doesnt |
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| 23:01.49 | kisisten | teraflops: "Active: active (running)" |
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| 23:01.56 | teraflops | nope |
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| 23:03.06 | kisisten | stew: yes, and it starts, but the .socket is failed mode, only when I systemctl stop dovecot.service and than start the socket and the service, it seems to work fine |
| 23:03.06 | teraflops | :S |
| 23:03.17 | kisisten | stew: the odd thing is, even when the socket is not running, I still able to connect to the imap services |
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| 23:03.48 | teraflops | kisisten: again you do not have any idea about what socket activation is |
| 23:04.13 | Mazhive | hay guys and girls :) can some one explain why in fedora engrampa archivemanager shows the correct size of a rar file and in debian wheezy engrampa it says 0bytes or even the title is incorrect. |
| 23:04.19 | ZeuZ | Hey guys, I've got an issue with virtual users for mailboxes, dovecot is using /etc/dovecot/passwd and postfix works when it comes from the roundcube interface (localhost) but remote clients cannot connect |
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| 23:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, well, go ahead and enlighten him and us :) |
| 23:04.53 | kisisten | teraflops: most likely you are right |
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| 23:05.43 | Mazhive | let me explain further the archive rar contains a file this file is been listed correct in fedora engrampa but in debian engrampa it tels me 0 bytes even the title is shortent |
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| 23:05.58 | kisisten | teraflops: as I mentioned what seems to confuse me, is why the dovecot app is still working even with the dovecot.socket being in the failed mode |
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| 23:06.13 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: whan you activate a socket service the service itself is not running until a coekct connection is stablished |
| 23:06.16 | teraflops | when* |
| 23:06.34 | teraflops | sockect^srry im on the phone* |
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| 23:07.00 | stew | Mazhive: I would guess that fedora was using a non-free version of rar |
| 23:07.14 | teraflops | kisisten: ist's the same of ssh, just enable the socket ans start it and take a lookf for sshd ... |
| 23:07.21 | Mazhive | how would i know this.. |
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| 23:07.34 | teraflops | then ssh to the host and it'll start |
| 23:07.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | why is there a separate entry for the bound socket anyway |
| 23:07.49 | kisisten | teraflops: ok, I'll take a look |
| 23:07.55 | kisisten | teraflops: thanks |
| 23:07.59 | teraflops | kisisten: np |
| 23:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and how are you supposed to "activate it" |
| 23:08.11 | teraflops | ssh host |
| 23:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... whatever service is running just binds a socket? |
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| 23:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there seems to be some configuration for the socket |
| 23:08.44 | teraflops | or retrieve mail it opens a socket to the 143 tcp |
| 23:08.47 | stew | Mazhive: there are free and non-free (and in this case it is non-free both as in beer and as in freedom) versions of rar, I don't know how fedora works, in debian you can install either, but you have to pay for one which might have more features |
| 23:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | when I say some, I actually mean "lots" |
| 23:09.06 | stew | Mazhive: since I don't know much about fedora I don't know how to know, i'm just speculating |
| 23:09.11 | Mazhive | oke i see some difference |
| 23:09.29 | Mazhive | version fedora is 5.20 freeware alexandre roshal |
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| 23:10.11 | Mazhive | debian version unrar 0.0.1 benasselstine |
| 23:10.30 | stew | Mazhive: right, 5.20 sounds like a version which costs money |
| 23:10.32 | Mazhive | this could be true.. thanx.. |
| 23:10.48 | Mazhive | did not pay for it but though... |
| 23:10.48 | stew | judd: versions rar |
| 23:10.50 | judd | Package: rar on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; jessie-multimedia/non-free: 2:5.2.0-dmo1; stretch/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1 |
| 23:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, wait, is this for the socket file in /var/run? |
| 23:11.01 | stew | Mazhive: yeah, you were probably stealing it then |
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| 23:11.37 | Mazhive | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.51 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: yes e.g /run/mpd/socket |
| 23:12.05 | stew | Mazhive: i somehow doubt that fedora paid for a license for you. you should read the terms of the license agreement, you probably owe them money |
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| 23:12.26 | teraflops | ListenStream=6600 talking about mpd |
| 23:12.42 | Mazhive | hmm.. k... |
| 23:12.57 | SM0TVI | So NOW WHAT? Install hangs. After adding a new drive failed by crushing the old one. |
| 23:12.58 | Mazhive | ill check it out.. |
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| 23:13.29 | stew | Mazhive: here's the license agreement: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/r/rar/rar_5.3.b2-1_copyright |
| 23:13.43 | stew | Mazhive: you have to start paying 40 days after you first use it |
| 23:14.28 | SM0TVI | Why enable EDD if it hangs the system? |
| 23:14.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, so systemd makes the socket file and then starts the service with options to use it? What the heck for |
| 23:15.53 | SM0TVI | Okay, I'm having serious trouble here. |
| 23:16.09 | SM0TVI | Install hangs consistently, EDD is culprit. |
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| 23:19.11 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: what about not having a bunch of services running doing nothing |
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| 23:20.17 | aypea[2] | trying to use smtptest on a mail server that does, actually, do AUTH but it keeps reporting back 'no mechanism available' despite '250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN'. what am I missing, here? |
| 23:20.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does that have to do with file sockets |
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| 23:21.07 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm i think it's a way of activate the service on demand |
| 23:21.22 | stew | right, xinetd style |
| 23:21.26 | teraflops | just use run it when it's needed |
| 23:21.33 | teraflops | run* |
| 23:21.54 | SM0TVI | Okay, I get "probing EDD (edd=off to disable)" and computer hangs. |
| 23:22.19 | SM0TVI | <tap><tap><tap> this thing on? |
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| 23:22.38 | teraflops | roger |
| 23:22.46 | kisisten | is there a way to remove "not-found" services in systemd (jessie)? |
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| 23:23.32 | teraflops | hmm i don't understand |
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| 23:24.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, oh, xinetd replacement... ok, guess that would belong in systemd |
| 23:24.28 | kisisten | teraflops: i have a bunch of "not-found" dead services, why? |
| 23:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | kisisten, because! |
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| 23:26.25 | SM0TVI | quietly wonders if he is being ignored |
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| 23:27.04 | teraflops | kisisten: like what exactly how do you get those message? |
| 23:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | kisisten, I meant to say ... the quality of your question determines the maximum possible quality of the answer... without pasting the error messages "because" is it |
| 23:27.06 | Mazhive | hmm i see your right.. after some search and reading your totaly nailed it by the head.. thanx for the support guys... |
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| 23:27.34 | kisisten | teraflops: systemctl --all --state=not-found |
| 23:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | SM0TVI, you haven't actually asked an answerable question |
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| 23:28.41 | axc1298 | my computer seems to be offline. i checked and /etc/network/interfaces has all the correct information for ethernet to be working (and it did, last week) |
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| 23:28.59 | axc1298 | as far as i know nothing changed |
| 23:30.14 | SM0TVI | I am trying a netinstall of Debian Jessie on a newly acquired WD Caviar Black 1TB drive. |
| 23:30.43 | SM0TVI | It hangs with "probing EDD (edd=off to disable)" , now I am trying EDD=off |
| 23:30.58 | SM0TVI | And now it hangs on "detecting disk and other hardware" |
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| 23:31.42 | teraflops | kisisten: hmm no idea but it lists here not loaded services like plymouth shit |
| 23:32.20 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: Sorry if it is unanswerable. |
| 23:33.29 | SM0TVI | notes that he might a bit tense in his tone, as he most likely has lost 6 months work of work. |
| 23:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | SM0TVI, sounds like something is wrong with the drive |
| 23:33.57 | SM0TVI | notes that he might a bit tense in his tone, as his main development machine has been bricket. |
| 23:34.10 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: Like what? |
| 23:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | SM0TVI, this isn't by any chance an external drive which is powered via the usb port? |
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| 23:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, that's maybe a bit of a wild shot into the dark... |
| 23:35.02 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope. Internal 3.5" WD Caviar Black 1TB. |
| 23:35.14 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: SATA. Not USB. |
| 23:35.16 | SaintAardvark | hi all -- I'm in a weird corner case in Debian 7. |
| 23:35.17 | JT|work | quietly mumbles backups |
| 23:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... just had an external drive that actually switched off when I tried to boot a laptop from it |
| 23:35.44 | SM0TVI | quietly mumbles that a simple clone shouldn't nuke the source disk, no? |
| 23:35.57 | SaintAardvark | I'm trying to upgrade Docker, and it wants to uninstall systemd |
| 23:36.11 | SaintAardvark | which AFAICT was only installed previously to manage Docker. |
| 23:36.26 | SaintAardvark | When I try to do this, though, it refuses because it can't find /run/systemd/private |
| 23:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | SM0TVI, might be coincidence and the disk just died? |
| 23:36.47 | SaintAardvark | Details are at http://paste.debian.net/359593/ -- can anyone offer any advice? |
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| 23:37.00 | axc1298 | anyone know what i can check to see why my computer isn't online even though it's configured for my ethernet network |
| 23:37.05 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: An entirely new disk, delivered by UPS /Today/? |
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| 23:37.47 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 23:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | SM0TVI, I thought you just said it influenced the source disk |
| 23:38.59 | Azrael_- | is it possible to install php version 5.2 parallel to version 5.4 on wheezy? |
| 23:39.28 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: What may have happened is that I might've written back the partition to the source disk, meaning one superblock got mangled. |
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| 23:40.01 | Brigo_ | Azrael_-, i think no, why do you need it? |
| 23:40.17 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: What I for the world can't understand is why a clean install on the new disk would fail to boot. |
| 23:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the source disk just died by pure chance in this awkward moment? |
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| 23:40.41 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: Possible. |
| 23:41.04 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: However, I use a USB stick to do the netinstall which consistenly hangs. |
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| 23:41.09 | stew | SaintAardvark: systemd is priority important, you don't want to remove that |
| 23:41.16 | stew | SaintAardvark: what version of systemd was just removed? |
| 23:41.17 | Brigo_ | smartmontools time |
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| 23:41.35 | SM0TVI | Brigo_: URL? |
| 23:41.43 | Brigo_ | SM0TVI, it is a package |
| 23:41.55 | stew | judd: versions docker-engine |
| 23:41.56 | judd | No package named 'docker-engine' was found in amd64. |
| 23:42.03 | cuchufli | Is there an option in KDE to disable touchpad clicking when typing? I've installed synaptiks but I don't see anything. Maybe I'm overlooking something? |
| 23:42.22 | stew | SaintAardvark: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache show docker-engine" ? |
| 23:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | SM0TVI, oh wait... "detecting disk and other hardware" is the installer-menu point... is there an actual error it gives you? maybe on the console alt-f1 or alt-f5 or so? |
| 23:42.39 | SM0TVI | Brigo_: Machine in question is bricked because the original hdd is dead for some reason, and repeated netinstall iso's don't produce a bootable new drive. |
| 23:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that was the actual error you get |
| 23:43.00 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope, it just hangs. |
| 23:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I am a bit confused... is this the installer? |
| 23:43.03 | stew | SaintAardvark: and "apt-cache policy systemd" |
| 23:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | because I just googled the error... and the first thing that comes up is exactly that phrase from the ubuntu installer |
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| 23:43.37 | SM0TVI | CutMeOwnThroat: Doesn't even respond to the vulcan nerve pinch :( |
| 23:43.44 | Brigo | SM0TVI, then use a tool disk like trinity |
| 23:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, boot from something else and have a look at the drive(s) |
| 23:44.18 | Brigo | http://www.gfi.com/blog/top-5-free-rescue-discs-for-your-sys-admin-toolkit/ |
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| 23:45.27 | FXpr0 | hey! ummm, I want to install skype on a debian disto. I have the synaptic package manager opened, where do I find the .deb file I just downloaded from inside the package manager? |
| 23:45.29 | SaintAardvark | stew: thanks! apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/359594 and apt-cache show docker-engine: http://paste.debian.net/359595/ |
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| 23:46.04 | FXpr0 | or, I went to the web and downloaded it from the skype website. |
| 23:46.15 | SaintAardvark | stew: apt-cache policy systemd: http://paste.debian.net/359596/ |
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| 23:47.05 | morpheus_ | FXpr0: gdebi will install it easily, so i'd install gdebi if you don't already have it |
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| 23:47.26 | morpheus_ | then you right click on the .deb and open with gdebi and click install |
| 23:48.41 | Azrael_- | Brigo: because a potential customer currently uses a custom-built web-cms with the dependency to php 5.2 and i want to run it on the same machine as some new scripts with php 5.4 |
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| 23:49.19 | Shadow_7 | Azrael_-: apt-cache show stow |
| 23:49.44 | FXpr0 | what is gdebi? |
| 23:49.56 | SM0TVI | Brigo: BIOS. Switched from IDE->ACHI |
| 23:50.12 | morpheus_ | its an app that installs .deb files and their dependencies |
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| 23:50.16 | morpheus_ | or uninstalls |
| 23:50.30 | FXpr0 | why do they make this hard? |
| 23:50.40 | Brigo | Azrael_-, jessie uses php5.6 :-/ |
| 23:50.43 | stew | SaintAardvark: hmm, okay, i'm not sure why it is trying to remove systemd, you certainly don't want to. I would /guess/ that whatever is incompatible with your version of systemd is compatible with the systemd from backports, you might try installing them both in tandem |
| 23:50.43 | morpheus_ | synaptic likes repositories |
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| 23:50.52 | FuZi0N | Thoughts on xfce vs lxde vs lxqt vs mate? Which do you prefer and why? |
| 23:50.53 | FXpr0 | kind of a problem for the linux stuff. it should be just click it and its done. |
| 23:50.56 | morpheus_ | gdebi handles the downloaded .deb files |
| 23:50.58 | abrotman | blinks again, still stew |
| 23:50.59 | Brigo | FuZi0N, mate |
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| 23:51.14 | FXpr0 | where do I find gdebi? |
| 23:51.14 | FuZi0N | reason? |
| 23:51.25 | FXpr0 | command line install or something? |
| 23:51.28 | morpheus_ | FXpr0: in synaptic, it's in the debian repositories |
| 23:51.38 | Brigo | FXpr0, apt-get install gdebi |
| 23:51.42 | stew | why would anyone use gdebi? that thing still exists? |
| 23:51.50 | Shadow_7 | ,v gdebi |
| 23:51.50 | abrotman | judd: versions gdebi |
| 23:51.51 | judd | Package: gdebi on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.4+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.8.7; jessie: 0.9.5.5+nmu1; stretch: 0.9.5.7; sid: 0.9.5.7 |
| 23:51.54 | stew | FXpr0: if you need to install a .deb, you can just "dpkg -i foo.deb" |
| 23:51.57 | abrotman | sadly, yes |
| 23:51.59 | morpheus_ | because synaptic makes it a pain in the ass |
| 23:52.00 | axc1298 | stew: because it works |
| 23:52.02 | FXpr0 | search inside of synaptics for gdebi? |
| 23:52.05 | SaintAardvark | stew: this is only debian 7, and AFAICT (judging by contents of /etc/init) systemd was only managing docker |
| 23:52.12 | Brigo | stew, it will not install dependecies unlike gdebi |
| 23:52.28 | FXpr0 | totally stupid in my opinion. ubuntu its click and install or command line if you like. |
| 23:52.31 | SaintAardvark | wouldn't taking it out be a pretty reasonable thing to do (assuming I could accomplish it)? |
| 23:52.32 | stew | Brigo: "apt-get -f install" will though |
| 23:52.52 | FXpr0 | windows, click an .exe and install. stupid simple. |
| 23:53.00 | morpheus_ | FXpr0: debian is more of a minimal install distro, for people who know what they really need to install |
| 23:53.03 | stew | SaintAardvark: no, I don't believe systemd can manage just one service, it would manage all of them |
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| 23:53.06 | Brigo | stew, gdebi will do it in one easy command |
| 23:53.18 | FXpr0 | I know what I need to install. I want to test skype. |
| 23:53.31 | FXpr0 | and a few other things 3rd party I want to test. |
| 23:53.42 | Azrael_- | Shadow_7: is stow better than this solution? http://tobyf.de/technik/linux/130-php-5-2-auf-debian-wheezy/ |
| 23:53.52 | morpheus_ | FXpr0: by that, i mean basic OS components that would be a given in other distros |
| 23:54.04 | FXpr0 | so! inside the synaptic thing I search gdebi? |
| 23:54.18 | SaintAardvark | stew: hm, what about an upgrade/sidegrade (heh) to upstart? |
| 23:54.21 | morpheus_ | gdebi just installs the .deb files you download along with whatever else they need to run |
| 23:54.32 | stew | SaintAardvark: i'm not sure I understand the question |
| 23:54.43 | Shadow_7 | Azrael_-: idk... just know stow lets you have two versions of things on the same system. |
| 23:54.44 | axc1298 | FXpr0: brigo already gave you the command to install it without searching or synaptic |
| 23:54.48 | zykotick9 | Brigo: but gdebi isn't installed with the base system... having to add software to install a deb seems a bit silly to me... |
| 23:55.07 | FXpr0 | I am using a pretty neat disto of debian, parrot security os mainly because its not a resource hog and this craptop is bottom of the barrel chinamart crap. |
| 23:55.08 | FXpr0 | ;p |
| 23:55.17 | stew | Azrael_-: if you are going to run something like an outdated version of php, which is probably going to be a big security debt, you should consider running it sandboxed in its own install |
| 23:55.23 | FXpr0 | oh, let me see |
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| 23:55.34 | Brigo | zykotick9, you can use dpkg and install dependecies yourself or use gdebi wich will handle dependencies itself. |
| 23:55.44 | Brigo | zykotick9, your call :) |
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| 23:56.30 | zykotick9 | Brigo: oh, i know what i'll do. i'm just questioning how good "use gdebi" is as a suggestion here... YMMV ;) |
| 23:56.35 | SaintAardvark | stew: sorry, not being clear...the problem appears from my end to be that a Debian 7 instance got systemd pulled in with Docker; now, an upgrade to Docker wants to remove systemd, but we're running into problems with *that* because the uninstall process for systemd can't find /run/systemd/private |
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| 23:56.58 | Brigo | zykotick9, it's just an option for lazy people :D |
| 23:56.58 | stew | SaintAardvark: so I would recommend trying to upgrade systemd at the same time you are installing docker |
| 23:57.09 | morpheus_ | if i were installing a distro for a regular end-user who hasn't been using linux pretty intensively for a few years, i'd install linux mint |
| 23:57.10 | SM0TVI | Brigo: I'm having really odd errors, machine spontaneously hangs on me :/ |
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| 23:57.29 | Brigo | SM0TVI, can you see anything in logs? |
| 23:58.12 | stew | FXpr0: if you aren't running debian, you should find support specific to your distro |
| 23:59.25 | morpheus_ | mint and debian are all that i use, with a little manjaro in a vm for those wild weekends in vegas |
