IRC log for #debian on 20160105

00:00.00BrigoFXpr0, you have another dpkg already running or you are not root.
00:00.11FXpr0this is a debian distro
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00:00.37FXpr0how do I fix it?
00:00.42stewFXpr0: its not debian
00:00.52SM0TVIBrigo: Nope, don't get even that far :(
00:01.06FXpr0its got a debian .deb package manager built in.
00:01.13FXpr0synaptic package manager.
00:01.15BrigoSM0TVI, then you really need the rescue system.
00:01.24CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, can you check from inside the machine?
00:01.30stewcool, anyway, this channel isn't supp;ort for the package managers, but for debian (which happens to use the same package managers)
00:01.54axc1298CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean?
00:01.55FXpr0there is like 4 ways of doing this, which is the easiest
00:01.56rww!based on debian
00:01.56dpkgYour distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian.  We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/).  #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users.  Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
00:02.02morpheus_synaptic is a default app on debian, but it's not good at installing downloaded .deb files
00:02.13CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, are you on that machine... or do you just see from the outside that it is gone?
00:02.17FXpr0just a sec please...
00:02.38axc1298CutMeOwnThroat: i'm on that machine. it's next to me
00:03.16nevynmorpheus_: what?
00:03.37abrotmanHardly call that the "default"
00:03.57FXpr0their website says this"Based on Debian and developed by Frozenbox network."
00:04.04cuchufliIs there an option in KDE to disable touchpad clicking when typing? I've installed synaptiks but I don't see anything. Maybe I'm overlooking something. Any suggestions?
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00:04.22abrotmanFXpr0: We only support Debian here, not things based on Debian
00:04.25morpheus_synaptic is "a default app on debian"
00:04.31abrotmanmorpheus_: again, not really
00:04.35morpheus_in what way
00:04.35stewmorpheus_: huh, in what way?
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00:04.39morpheus_tell me
00:04.45abrotmanmorpheus_: For instance, if you don't install a GUI< you won't have synaptic
00:04.57stewmorpheus_: its priority: optional
00:05.08abrotmana GUI is not required for Debian, it's optional
00:05.32stewit would be a stretch to call anything priority optional or extra as being default
00:05.36FXpr0ok so let me get this strait, debian synaptic is a package manager, and it does not install software correctly?
00:05.38CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, does this show the IP you expect it to have? /sbin/ifconfig |grep inet.addr:
00:05.44FXpr0I dont get it.
00:05.51abrotmanFXpr0: Then talk to your distro, we're not hte right channel
00:05.56morpheus_that's a technicality
00:06.11abrotmanno, that's a fact
00:06.22axc1298CutMeOwnThroat: yes that's the ip i entered in during the install
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00:06.32FXpr0wait, where is the install tutorial please on how to install software on debian linux?
00:06.35stewmorpheus_: what is the meaning of "default app" then?
00:06.35morpheus_in today's world end-users want GUI's, this isn't 1993
00:06.40FXpr0step by step instructions
00:06.50CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, look at /sbin/route -n ... it should show one entry for your subnet and one for the gateway to the rest of the world (and the correct gateway at that)
00:07.03abrotmanmorpheus_: amazingly, there are people using Debian for lots of things.  I used to only have Debian boxes with no GUI, you know .. servers.
00:07.09CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, try ping 8.8.8.8 does that give you a response? if not, try pinging the gateway IP
00:07.33morpheus_that's got nothing to do with a guy wanting to install skype on his desktop
00:07.41abrotmanthose boxes don't have synaptic on them
00:07.51axc1298CutMeOwnThroat: i can ping the gateway but not 8.8.8.8
00:07.56Scriptonauthas anyone here had success with lemonbar? I compiled it, and can run it, however I can't seem to get fontawesome icons to display. I installed font awesome fonts with apt-get install. Here are my configs, as well as fc-list, and a one liner that I tried that still wouldn't display the icons: https://gist.github.com/robins35/d3ff2be81062c4d717bd
00:07.59FXpr0or, what is the correct method to install software on debian linux?
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00:08.18abrotmanFXpr0: Please install Debian or go away
00:08.36CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, and route -n shows the correct gateway?
00:08.43FXpr0I dont get it, its the same basic concept isnt it?
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00:09.03abrotmanFXpr0: this channel is for Debian support, see www.debian.org for docs about installation.
00:09.14abrotmanFXpr0: you'll also find Debian ISO images for installatoin
00:09.16axc1298CutMeOwnThroat: yes it does. it's a recent debian install i did. installed the base system then apt-get to install the DE. the network was working last week but not today when i booted up
00:10.54CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, if you can ping the router, but not google's dns... either routing is incorrectly set up in some way, or the router is blocking your packets to the outside world
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00:11.47CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, you might cross-check if you can ping to outside from a different machine that still has network... ping might generally be blocked for some reason
00:11.53Scriptonautcould somebody point me to a channel where I can get help with lemonbar on debian?
00:12.01tharkunaxc1298: mtr -r 8.8.8.8
00:12.38axc1298CutMeOwnThroat: thanks i'll check it out
00:12.45axc1298tharkun: mtr doesn't seem to be on my system
00:12.54tharkuninstall mtr-tiny
00:13.13CutMeOwnThroatgets a bit tedious installing stuff without network, though... :)
00:13.18CutMeOwnThroatspecially if there are dependencies
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00:13.50tharkunsorry but mtr is one of those network checking tools that can make life very easy.
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00:14.59tharkunaxc1298: so you have two machines on the same network, one has full internet access and the other one doesn't?
00:15.03CutMeOwnThroathm, actually my desktop debian has mtr installed ... and I didn't do it
00:15.10axc1298it would be nice if apt-get download had an option to download all dependencies too
00:15.30axc1298tharkun: no this one i'm on now is a different network
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00:16.23tharkunarre both networks connected to the same router?
00:16.41Brigoaxc1298, it have it
00:16.42axc1298yes
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00:17.05Brigoapt-get install <package> --print-uris
00:17.05axc1298Brigo: ?
00:17.10tharkunaxc1298: do you have mtr on the current machine?
00:17.11CutMeOwnThroataxc1298, there is apt-get --print-uris (maybe in  conjunction with --dry-run, haven't used it often)
00:17.23axc1298oh
00:17.30axc1298nice
00:17.42CutMeOwnThroatheh, Brigo was faster :)
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00:18.06CutMeOwnThroattook some time checking if I got the syntax right :)
00:18.09axc1298tharkun: unfortunately not. it's a different OS
00:18.20stewCutMeOwnThroat: --print-uris is a dry run, yeah :)
00:18.43CutMeOwnThroat^^
00:18.48BrigoCutMeOwnThroat, i guessed it ;)
00:18.51tharkunaxc1298: If you have the next hop after your router, you can check if the router is missconfigured or not. Not much you can do to fix it.
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00:19.09stewapt-zip is a utility that takes the output of print-uris and turns it into a script
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00:19.23jdownieI'm hoping to get lightdm to start olvwm. Any tips?
00:19.26stewso that you can use another machien to copy files to your zip drive! (remeber those? didn't think so)
00:19.44Brigoyou don't need dry-run, apt-get is smart enought :)
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00:20.09axc1298tharkun: ok i'll try that thanks
00:20.12stewoh apt-zip is gone!
00:20.12axc1298brb
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00:22.12smackusrevivalToday, I wrote a tribute for Ian Murdock and it was published on Unixmen. View here http://www.unixmen.com/tribute-to-debian-founder-ian-murdock/
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00:22.28zykotick9morpheus_: i'm an "end user" and i use debian, in part, because i can run a setup like this http://imagebin.ca/v/2SLv9aiEjKQJ
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00:25.58fishbulbhi
00:26.10fishbulbcan debian format things in ntfs
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00:26.23markybobfishbulb, sure
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00:26.42fishbulbI got gparted
00:26.58markybobfishbulb, /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
00:26.59fishbulband for some reason the last parts of files won't copy onto usb sticks
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00:27.15fishbulbyeah gparted came with "the stuff"
00:27.36fishbulbI assume.
00:27.54abrotmanhow big are the files?
00:28.03markybobfishbulb, you need to install ntfs-3g
00:28.19fishbulbI'm reasonably sure it is installed
00:28.33markybobwell if you're reasonably sure and won't check...okay
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00:29.06fishbulbcould tell me how to check?
00:29.21markybobdpkg -l ntfs-3g
00:29.21dpkgii  ntfs-3g                 3.6-3.1           markybob's private porn collection
00:29.38fishbulbwhat kind of porn
00:29.43BrigoXDD
00:29.49markybobfishbulb, it's the bot being funny
00:30.14fishbulbif I don't start feeling sick to my stomach in less than a minute I won't even bother with it
00:30.26laskdjdpkg
00:30.52Brigodpkg -l dpkg
00:30.53teraflopslol
00:30.53dpkgNo packages found matching dpkg
00:31.14fishbulbread write ntfs driver for fuse
00:31.16laskdjdpkg -l htop
00:31.17dpkgii  htop                 2.5-1.1           laskdj's private gamp collection
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00:31.28laskdj:D
00:31.37fishbulbversion 1:2014.2.15a
00:32.03fishbulbah shit it says something about reinst required
00:32.10BrigoAn acronym that stands for Gay Asian Midget Porn
00:32.27fishbulbgay asian midget porn is very vanilla
00:33.00fishbulbit's like the pop music of porn
00:33.35nolsenWhat kernel files do I need to upgrade the kernel?
00:33.45nolsenit was linux-image, linux-headers, and what else?
00:34.12abrotmannolsen: upgrade from what to what?
00:34.38nolsenabrotman: 3.16.0-4-amd64 to the latest
00:34.40nolsenon debian 8.
00:34.49nolsenMainline even.
00:34.53markybobnolsen, you'll need to use backports
00:35.11fishbulbaren't you doing your civic duty
00:35.25fishbulbI suppose helping in here is like linux revision though
00:35.45markybob!tell nolsen about debian-backports
00:35.55abrotmannolsen: that is the latest in Debian Stable
00:35.56nolsenmarkybob: Every time I use backports, dependencies break.
00:36.06markybobnolsen, then you're doing it wrong
00:36.09nolsenabrotman: Well it's a really old kernel.
00:36.17teraflopsfishbulb: i just chat from prison, launch time
00:36.44teraflopslunch*
00:36.47fishbulbdude you don't get computer access in prison
00:36.52nolsenmarkybob: Maybe I'm putting the line in the wrong place.
00:36.54teraflops^
00:37.00nolsenDo I replace it with my current, regular lines?
00:37.23markybobno
00:37.41fishbulbif you want the cigarettes sent you know who to shank in the lunch line teraflops, don't let me down again
00:37.53teraflopsxD
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00:38.07markybobnolsen, read the wiki. it's pretty clear. the bot told you
00:38.49nolsenmarkybob: It doesn't explain to me.
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00:39.15markybobnolsen, you can't understand this? http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
00:39.34tharkunI have a Squeeze server still running. Most of the daemons running there are maintained by me. What is my best shot at upgrading. Sequencially up to stable or just do a fresh install?
00:39.42fishbulbcan I upgrade the gnome power options
00:39.54nolsenmarkybob: Like is it safe to do apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade and not break stuff.
00:39.58fishbulbto something that has a few more options
00:40.19tharkunfishbulb: What is exactly your problem?
00:40.31markybobnolsen, that's not how one uses backports. simply install the ones you need/want
00:40.54fishbulbmy problem exactly, is that it refuses to acknowledge the "shut down" when the battery goes to critical, instead it sleeps
00:41.12fishbulbwhen it comes out of sleep the touchscreen and wacom pen digitizer in the screen both don't work
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00:41.25fishbulbthey disappear from lsusb
00:41.35fishbulbI don't know how to turn them on again.
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00:41.43fishbulbso I have to log out or restart
00:42.16fishbulbit's a 7 hour battery in windows, and I get less  than 2 in debian, also it won't remember screen brightness settings or anything
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00:42.38tharkunfishbulb: what laptop are you using?
00:42.43fishbulbx220tablet
00:42.51fishbulbthinkpad x220t
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00:43.27fishbulbi5, more ram, msata ssd
00:43.45tharkunWhen booting up there is this message that tells you to email the unsupported brightness controls to some address. Comply with it for further support
00:44.08tharkunIIRC it is something like acpi....
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00:44.18fishbulbacpi is enabled
00:44.28tharkunI mean the email address.
00:44.44fishbulbI can't read any of the text when it boots
00:44.55CutMeOwnThroatfishbulb, I wonder... have you tried the battery with this exact hardware configuration under windows? more ram would drain more battery, yesno?
00:44.58fishbulbit's booting off an ssd, takes a few seconds
00:45.02tharkunAnyway xbacklight powertop are both your friends if you want to optimize your battery life.
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00:45.21stew+1 for powertop
00:45.47stewwithout using powertop I get maybe 2 hours of battery life, with powertop (using the last tab's suggestions) I get more like 7 or 8
00:46.03fishbulbI have windows installed on every single machine I have, because I was forced to pay for the license and I need windows for some things, I've had this config since the beginning
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00:46.27FuZi0NDoes Debian offer relro, fortify, pic/pie?
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00:46.40fishbulbusing powertop?
00:46.49fishbulbhow does one use it?
00:46.55fishbulbI thought it just told you what was using power?
00:47.39markybobfishbulb, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Powertop
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00:48.01CutMeOwnThroatfishbulb, because... I have a laptop with the same modification (ram+ssd) and also noticed the shortish battery-lifetime... but it is a used laptop and I hadn't (yet) compared to windows (mainly because I pretty much haven't ever run it with windows)
00:48.05fishbulb7 hours is the maximum in windows with lowest backlight, wifi and nothing else.., but it still gets that. the mechanical drive shouldn't be spinning in debian
00:48.07fishbulbit's not mounted
00:48.08zykotick9stew: i actually copy powertop's suggestions and drop them into a script launched by root's @reboot crontab
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00:48.44stewzykotick9: yeah, I should do that
00:48.59fishbulbI occasionally run it in windows because of paid software, and it's possible to get 7, 5 is pretty consistent if the screen is on (lowest brightness) for most of the time, and with wifi use
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00:49.36nolsenW: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168h-1.fw for module r8169
00:49.38nolsenHow do I fix?
00:49.51nolsen(I tried googling, but what I found didn't solve my answer)
00:49.55teraflopsnolsen: grab the fw
00:49.59fishbulbin less than 2 hours in debian with lowest brightness the battery is dead, and there doesn't seem to be anything I can do. the screen tearing is bad in linux too. even 360p youtube has tearing
00:50.04markybobnolsen, sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek
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00:50.23nolsenmarkybob: firmware-realtek is already the newest version.
00:50.31fishbulbI haven't found anything in google for how to optimise a lenovo thinkpad x220t
00:50.47markybobnolsen, dpkg -L firmware-realtek |grep rtl8168h-1.fw
00:50.51fishbulbit's only 8gb of ram, and it's the stock frequency
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00:51.12nolsenmarkybob: Was I supposed to get an output?
00:51.31markybobnolsen, yes. but i have to go.
00:51.35nolsenWell I didn't.
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00:51.52markybobnolsen, then you don't have it installed. if you think you do try --reinstall
00:52.08teraflopsnolsen: the file youre loking for is in strecht
00:52.22teraflopsups* looking
00:52.47fishbulbDesired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name           Version      Architecture Description +++-==============-============-============-================================= ii  ntfs-3g        1:2014.2.15A amd64        read/write NTFS driver for FUSE
00:53.02fishbulbthis is a problem I think
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00:53.38fishbulbdpkg -l ntfs-3g           gives that output
00:53.39dpkgii  ntfs-3g           gives that output                 1.9-4           fishbulb's private stamp collection
00:53.42teraflopsnolsen: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-realtek
00:54.56fishbulbstay away from my stamps, I'm not going back to rikers island
00:55.15fishbulbI aint goin back to the bing yo
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01:00.23Scriptonautqwerty
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01:00.45Scriptonautwhoops, wrong win
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01:01.10fishbulbmay I have some assistance wtith my ntfs-3g
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01:01.32zykotick9hopes qwerty isn't a password
01:01.59fishbulbwho would guess that?
01:02.20abrotmanfishbulb: assistance how?
01:02.20Shadow_7or the even more secure... ytrewq
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01:03.25fishbulbit seems to be half installed or something
01:03.33abrotmanby what metric?
01:03.33fishbulbit's unpacked but not installed? I'm not sure really
01:03.57fishbulbDesired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name           Version      Architecture Description +++-==============-============-============-================================= ii  ntfs-3g        1:2014.2.15A amd64        read/write NTFS driver for FUSE
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01:04.15abrotman'ii' is installed
01:04.17Shadow_7,v ntfs-3g
01:04.18juddPackage: ntfs-3g on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2010.3.6-1; squeeze-security-lts: 1:2010.3.6-1+deb6u2; wheezy: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1+deb7u2; jessie: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u2; sid: 1:2015.3.14AR.1-1; stretch: 1:2015.3.14AR.1-1
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01:04.32abrotmanfishbulb: what makes you believe it's not working?
01:04.38fishbulbwhat's that previous stuff?
01:04.48Shadow_7headers
01:05.08fishbulbwell, I format a usb stick with ntfs to transfer things to windows, and most of a file will copy, it stops at the last part
01:05.20fishbulbI open windows, format it using anything, and it copies perfectly
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01:05.43Shadow_7proprietary format
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01:05.51fishbulbI can copy between this linux partition and the ntfs storage partition
01:05.57stoneduse fat32 for interop
01:05.57fishbulbI use gparted in debian
01:05.58abrotmanfishbulb: are you typing "sync" before ripping the USB drive from the socket?
01:06.10fishbulbI eject it with the button
01:06.19Shadow_7or setup ftp... or netcat... or ... ... ...
01:06.24abrotmanfishbulb: so, that's a no?
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01:06.25stoneddon't format stick as ntfs, but as fat32
01:06.31stonedimo
01:06.37fishbulbfat32 can't have large movies
01:06.47stonedwhat do you mean?
01:06.47fishbulbthe file limit is small
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01:07.00Shadow_732 bit == 4GB limit
01:07.04abrotmanfishbulb: ignore him .. have you tried typing sync before using the eject button ?
01:07.12Shadow_7or 2GB if it's signed and really only 31 bit
01:07.22stonedI use a 1TB fat32 drive for my RGH xbox 360 and I'm pretty sure I can put >4GB isos on it.
01:07.29fishbulbwhat do you mean sync
01:07.34abrotmanfishbulb: it's a command ..
01:07.49stonedBut I could very well be misremembering
01:07.50abrotmanhence Have you typed "sync" before ripping it from the socket
01:07.53fishbulbwhy would I need to type anything before "safely ejecting"
01:07.57stonedI'd have to look at my drive which isnt even mounted right now
01:08.00fishbulbI eject it using the file manager
01:08.09Shadow_7stoned: or it doesn't complain and you fail to verify matching md5sums
01:08.18fishbulbanyway, the file never ever stops copying
01:08.25abrotmannever stops?
01:08.31fishbulbit won't copy fully onto the stick. it halts at about 90%
01:08.35abrotmanoh
01:08.40abrotmanfishbulb: at what size?
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01:08.50abrotmanis it always the same size?
01:08.53Shadow_7stoned: the drive can be big, but the individual files cannot
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01:09.06fishbulbit's some of the same sizes
01:09.14fishbulbI wasn't paying attention to that guy anyway
01:09.30abrotmanfishbulb: some of the same sizes?
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01:09.41Shadow_7stoned: although you can use split to break it up... and copy part1/b+part2/b part3 ... in winders
01:09.44abrotmanfishbulb: I'm asking if the resulting file on the disk is always the same size, of if it's random
01:09.47abrotmanor if it's random
01:10.06stonedI just verified, and you are correct
01:10.10fishbulbdo you mean the point at which it halts or the size of the file
01:10.24abrotmanat which it halts
01:10.26stonedMy drive holds either extracted ISO or split files
01:10.27beepiestoned, by design fat32 filesystems cannot store files greater than 4GB,
01:10.27fishbulboh, it seems to be random
01:10.36stonedRight, I see that on WP
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01:10.50fishbulbguys nobody is talking about fat32
01:11.11stonedI was. I suggested it but it's not useful so nm.
01:11.23fishbulboh. no I don't want to use that
01:11.31Shadow_7even camcorders break up the recording to fit on fat32... some do a binary break... others actually stop recording until the file finishes writing out, before starting to record again.
01:11.39abrotmanfishbulb: which OS created the filesystem?
01:11.47fishbulblinux did
01:11.50fishbulbtransmission
01:11.55fishbulbit works fine, file is ok
01:12.00fishbulbstick is ok
01:12.18fishbulbthe tearing is horrific on debian, so I watch the movies in windows
01:12.32abrotmanfishbulb: can you try to create the FS from Windows, see if it makes a difference?
01:12.42abrotmanfishbulb: also, which version of Windows is this?
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01:12.52fishbulbok the reason I'm even putting it onto a stick is to put it onto my larger laptop
01:13.30fishbulband yes, I copy it from this partition to the ntfs storage drive (the original mechanical drive is for storage) and copy it using windows, it's fine
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01:14.07fishbulbit just won't copy onto the stick in debian. it stops at some point and there's no "estimated time remaining"
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01:14.30abrotmanI asked which version of Windows
01:14.40fishbulboh. 7
01:14.54fishbulbseven home premium I'm pretty sure
01:15.02abrotmanThe reason I ask is there is another FS that might be better supported by both OSes
01:15.09beepiefishbulb, the stick could be bad or it's possible there's an issue with using the particular motherboard_usbport+linux+usb_stick_brand
01:15.13abrotman(a native Windows FS)
01:15.17Shadow_7fishbulb: well tearing is GPU support... unneeded cruft running... or slow to read media types
01:15.34fishbulbbeepie no, there's never been a problem before debian
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01:15.41beepiefishbulb, exfat is well supported
01:15.45fishbulbntfs is windows native
01:15.46beepiefishbulb, it supports > 4gb files
01:15.47abrotmanthat's what I was going to suggest
01:15.55fishbulbntfs supports it
01:15.59abrotmanfishbulb: exFAT is also Windows Native, and not as awful as NTFS
01:16.17fishbulbI don't see what's awful about ntfs
01:16.26abrotmanokay
01:16.31fishbulbmost of the things are the same, except the max file size?
01:16.35abrotmanno
01:16.47abrotmanfishbulb: are you using ntfs-3g to mount the stick?
01:16.57fishbulbI'm reasonably sure?
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01:17.11fishbulbotherwise it wouldn't read the files on the stick I'm guessing
01:17.16beepiefishbulb, exfat is more suitable for usb sticks -- since there's no reading of acl/permission data needed -- it'll also be faster
01:17.30zykotick9fishbulb: "I don't see what's awful about ntfs" not supporting POSIX permissions is top of my list.
01:17.35abrotmanfishbulb: no, NTFS is easily read from Linux .. writing without ntfs-3g is more problematic
01:17.37fishbulbexfat for sticks?
01:17.42jasabellai formatted my portable hdd as exfat :)
01:18.04fishbulbhow do I find out if ntfs-3g is properly installed
01:18.14abrotmanI'm surprised Win * Home doesn't use exFAT by default for everything
01:18.24abrotmanfishbulb: is the drive plugged in now?
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01:18.41beepieexfat is even available for XP, though the add-on has to be downloaded/installed from MS' site
01:18.50beepie(known about this for quite some time)
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01:19.10fishbulbnope, let me try to find this particular stick, I think I kicked it under something
01:19.25abrotmanMaybe that's why it doesn't work
01:19.50beepiei prefer ext2 for usb sticks
01:20.02beepiebecause i don't use Winbloze :)
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01:20.21markybobbeepie, good luck using that on a tv
01:20.33beepiemarkybob, i don't watch tv :p
01:20.44CutMeOwnThroaton your toaster?
01:20.44abrotmanrich people and their fancy tvs :)
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01:21.08markybobrich? my internet access is via cell phone tether :P
01:21.15CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, actually... I think it's not very fancy anymore these days? (not that I have a tv)
01:21.16tharkunwhat is a tv nowadays? But a tiny computer attached to a large screen.
01:21.34abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: my tv is a few years old, NFC :)
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01:22.34CutMeOwnThroatit will die at some time... and when you buy a new one, you will see that it runs either some type of linux, bsd or windows :P
01:22.50fishbulbbeepie windows has to be used sometimes, large paid software still can't be made to run in linux
01:23.03tharkunI believe samsung uses a bsd flavour.
01:23.05abrotmanfishbulb: that very much depends on the type of software
01:23.27fishbulbmost large pieces of software?
01:23.33beepiefishbulb, you can always -- maybe-- use a separate machine with Linux and network things smb
01:23.35abrotmanthat's not correct ..
01:23.43markybobfishbulb, no. quickbooks runs on linux just fine. that's large
01:23.46abrotmanfor instance, Oracle runs on Linux .. that's a large paid software
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01:24.11fishbulbok, anything adobe
01:24.18fishbulbbasically it won't work.
01:24.30abrotmanthat's not remotely large
01:24.56fishbulband I prefer baremetal and to run the software in (the os) because I paid for windows, it's installed, and I have to use it sometimes
01:25.19fishbulbit's just easier than hours of stuffing around in linux to get worse performance
01:25.31markybobfishbulb, also not true. acrobate 3d runs fine. photoshop cs4 runs fine
01:25.32tharkunfishbulb: So you are running around in circles read about your wacom tablet and how to push it out of sleep state.
01:25.34fishbulbalready the graphics aren't supported well.
01:25.37beepiesays "List of <application type> software site:wikipedia.org" often gives alternatives for opensource
01:25.49beepiespat a nice little google tip. :P
01:26.09fishbulbtharkun: I'm not really running anywhere, the sleep state thing just persists
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01:27.13tharkunfishbulb: Then focus more on your real problem like trying to get whatever usefull information you extract out of your tablet.
01:27.14fishbulbI try not to let the battery run out, if it does, it means the computer has been sitting around, OR I'm away from any power source and it's dead anyway
01:27.37fishbulbtharkun: that's what I was trying to do
01:27.53tharkunAlso listing the modules your hw uses and comparing them to the latest the manufacturer/developer has to offer is allways a good starting point
01:28.09fishbulbhow do I do that?
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01:28.27beepiefishbulb, lspic -k
01:28.32beepiefishbulb, lspci
01:28.35fishbulbI would love to use the latest stuff for everything
01:28.37tharkunlsmod lspci lsusb ...
01:28.44fishbulblsusb in this case
01:28.45beepiefishbulb, then taking note of vendorid:devicid stuff
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01:29.12fishbulbum. it says the camera is 0.3mp
01:29.18fishbulbit's a 720p camera
01:29.18zykotick9dpkg: tell fishbulb about sns
01:29.23mueslisomething keeps deleting my manually configured routes. any idea how i can figure out what it is?
01:29.26beepiefishbulb, sometimes firmware is not loaded properly, and by default the official debian installer doesnt provide non-free , problematic hardware drivers say "firmware not found" with "dmesg"
01:29.38beepiefishbulb, you'd have to install non-free firmware manually
01:29.47tharkunmuesli: do you have nm running?
01:29.49fishbulbmanually?
01:29.50beepiefishbulb, (or add it via non-free repos)
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01:30.02fishbulbcan I paste the 7 or so devices that are here?
01:30.04mueslitharkun: no
01:30.14beepiefishbulb, dmesg<enter> |grep -i firmware , would say if any firmware is missing
01:30.39mueslitharkun: i do have dhcpcd running and i configured it with "nogateway"
01:30.54mueslithat's the only thing i could imagine touching my routes :-/
01:31.01zykotick9beepie: ahhh, i think you've not an <enter> in the wrong place there ;)
01:31.02fishbulbcan I paste the 7 or so devices that are here?
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01:31.26tharkunmuesli: try killing the dhclient instance set your networking all by hand and then see if the problem persists.
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01:31.42mueslianother thing i've noticed, is that the "post-up" command for my ethernet devices seems to have stopped working
01:31.49markybob!tell fishbulb about paste
01:31.55tharkunIIRC dhcp will overwrite your routing tables when the lease expires
01:32.03mueslie.g. "post-up route add default gw 10.11.64.1 metric 10" doesn't work anymore
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01:32.36fishbulbwhy are the drives in this computer listed as scsi
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01:33.05muesliwhich might be related, thinking about it
01:33.24wvlfif i connect to my VPN through network manager, is there a PID, or some file written while connected, so an external script can verify a VPN connection without checking IP ranges?
01:33.26muesliif dhcpcd deconfigures the ethernet device before bringing it back... i'd go lose my default route again
01:33.41beepiemuesli, is the interface line set to 'manual' ?
01:33.46mueslianyone knows if the post-up hook is still supposed to work?
01:33.57mueslibeepie: no, to dhcp
01:34.13mueslibeepie: but as mentioned, dhcpcd is configured with "nogateway" so it's not supposed to set a default gw (or remove it)
01:34.23beepiemuesli, the interfaces manpage mentions
01:34.32mueslii then used to "route add ..." in the post-up hook of that device
01:34.50tharkunmuesli: hmm I use the if-up.d directly when dealing with this kind of stuff since they are usually servers and are managed by a salt config manager.
01:35.47mueslitharkun: will try that now. brb, rebooting router
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01:37.18fishbulbshiny new shit syndrome?
01:37.42fishbulbhow about "making this work nearly as well as windows" syndrome
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01:37.53abrotmanfishbulb: you could just use windows .. we won't judge you
01:38.02fishbulbI don't like windows
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01:38.11mo1991regor we'll try not to :)
01:38.16zykotick9fishbulb: you seem to be affected "I would love to use the latest stuff for everything" ;)
01:38.17beepiefishbulb, you can also buy linux pre-installed on computers, there's a good handful of them
01:38.21markybobfishbulb, we don't like whining
01:38.26fishbulbthe latest drivers and stuff
01:38.37fishbulbwhy wouldn't I want to use the better drivers
01:38.47fishbulbif there are some
01:38.48roylaprattephttp://pastebin.com/gzfwz21t
01:38.52abrotmanfishbulb: For someone who doesn't like windows, you sure hold it in high esteem
01:38.56roylaprattepWhat's the best option ?
01:39.08cra1g321"newer" or "latest" doe not always mean it's a better option when it comes to software ;)
01:39.11cra1g321does*
01:39.37fishbulball I'm saying is why does it have a 7 hour battery life, immaculate graphics, and debian has less than 2 on the same brightness, and terrible playback for any video or youtube
01:39.46fishbulbit would be good to even it out a little bit.
01:39.58abrotmanroylaprattep: moment
01:40.01stewfishbulb: use powertop, especially the last tab to improve batery life
01:40.05abrotmanroylaprattep: are you on Windows?
01:40.10abrotmanroylaprattep: sorry, on Jessie?
01:40.11stewfishbulb: which xorg driver are you using?
01:40.15roylaprattepabrotman: yes
01:40.18abrotmanfishbulb: darn you, now I'm saying Windows all the time :)
01:40.20roylaprattepabrotman: Jessie
01:40.21fishbulbI don't know which xorg driver
01:40.30Shadow_7fishbulb: ask the manufacturer
01:40.38stewfishbulb: check which driver you are using
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01:40.59fishbulbI don't know how
01:41.22abrotmanroylaprattep: you probably want to look at dh-make-perl
01:42.00fishbulbalso, I've been awake for a very long time, and must be for 9 more hours, so my memory isn't the best, but I'm still functioning
01:42.22stewfishbulb: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would tell you which driver
01:42.30roylaprattepabrotman: Got cron-apt emails working btw yesterday.
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01:42.42fishbulbI have to eat, I'll come back in a few minutes
01:43.13abrotmanroylaprattep: I saw .. what was the issue?
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01:43.38roylaprattepabrotman: Was a sleep time problems.
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01:43.54abrotmanweird, okay
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01:45.02codesoupx hangs when i switch between vt<->gnome or when i try to log out from gnome. how do i diagnose what's at fault or how to work around it?
01:45.41zykotick9codesoup: "..or how to work around it?" <- stop using gnome?  ;)
01:46.11abrotmancodesoup: start by also including which Xorg driver you're using
01:46.18uniacid_pchttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647959
01:48.01abrotmanuniacid_pc: perhaps you wanted #debian-offtopic ?
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01:48.25uniacid_pcperhaps :)
01:50.00codesoupabrotman, i have xorg 1:7.7+12 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:7.6.1-1 installed
01:50.31zykotick9ati/amd... ahhh all is explained ;)
01:51.00codesoupi mean, it was working before, but i'm not sure when it stopped working. and this is old 2011 era apu stuff
01:51.32roylaprattepabrotman: Damn, this question was only because I was not root, I didn't see. I used sudo, otherwise it would has install it in my home user's home.
01:52.13SM0TVIWhat's wrong when Grub hangs @ Loading, please wait...
01:52.32roylaprattepSM0TVI: That's bad.
01:52.42roylaprattepSM0TVI: Could be a lot of things.
01:52.47Shadow_7SM0TVI: probably couldn't find the right location of the kernel in the boot menuu
01:53.06roylaprattepSM0TVI: Try the recovery option. Then read the logs.
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01:53.31SM0TVIroylaprattep: location?
01:53.49roylaprattepSM0TVI: Shadow_7 said that, not me.
01:54.03abrotmanroylaprattep: again, dh-make-perl is a much better way to do that
01:54.10abrotmancodesoup: and the firmware installed/.
01:54.12abrotman?
01:54.16SM0TVIroylaprattep: Location of log file?
01:54.31codesoupabrotman, yeah i have firmware-amd-graphics installed
01:54.32roylaprattepSM0TVI: /var/log/syslog
01:54.38Shadow_7SM0TVI: the root=(hd...) of the grub.cfg and the kernel lin.... root=/dev/
01:54.59abrotmancodesoup: eh .. what kernel?  uname -r
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01:55.19codesoupabrotman, 4.3.0-1-amd64
01:55.41roylaprattepabrotman: Logwatch considered doing it that way, so I did.
01:55.43Shadow_7sometimes /boot/vmlinuz link isn't to the kernel it's trying to boot as /boot/vmlinuz
01:56.04abrotmandid they move the firmware from the firmware-linux-nonfree?
01:56.15codesoupthey moved it into a separate package
01:56.24codesoupit's still pulled in if i install firmware-linux-nonfree
01:56.28roylaprattepabrotman:  No Sys::MemInfo module installed.  To install, execute the command:
01:56.29roylaprattep<PROTECTED>
01:56.45abrotmanroylaprattep: dh-make-perl :)
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01:57.18roylaprattepWell, in the end, the job is done.
01:57.21johnfghi folks
01:57.37johnfgmy jessie installation is pretty messed up, through my fault, or mea culpa.
01:57.40abrotmanroylaprattep: dh-make-perl makes it a bit cleaner
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01:59.18johnfgI've tried a number of different methods, including an rsync of a var.old backup to the new /var; and following someone's script which was going to restore permissions.  Both of them, especially the latter, has made things worse.
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02:01.26roylaprattepabrotman: http://pastebin.com/VAwcbNCs
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02:03.06SM0TVIShadow_7: Okay, so I have it set to hd0,msdos1
02:03.31Shadow_7SM0TVI: ls from the grub command prompt ("c") should list available options
02:03.49Shadow_7SM0TVI: technically update-grub should autoconfig decently... if /etc/fstab is right
02:04.30abrotmanroylaprattep: seems fine?
02:04.38roylaprattepabrotman: Yes, sir!
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02:05.48wvlfwhat is the most effective / best practice way to disable ipv6 on jessie?
02:07.00markybobwvlf, you're connected via ipv6. so you want us to tell you how to get kicked out?
02:07.18morpheus_Append ipv6.disable=1 to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX variable in /etc/default/grub
02:07.29morpheus_then run update-grub and reboot
02:07.34SM0TVIShadow_7: Hangs at "[sda] Write cache: enabled, reach cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
02:07.56wvlfmarkybob: yes thats it
02:08.13Shadow_7SM0TVI: probably need to use the initrd version of your kernel, or recompile with those drivers IN the kernel, not modules
02:08.32markybobwvlf, so edit intefaces
02:08.38markybobinterfaces*
02:09.56SM0TVIShadow_7: What the * would break it, I just installed and it booted just fine, now it hangs.
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02:10.19wvlfmarkybob: /etc/network/interfaces? no mention of ipv4 or ipv6
02:10.38Shadow_7SM0TVI: if vmlinux ... root=/dev/ that could break it.  /dev/'s tend to shift when multiple devices exist that are bootable
02:10.52Shadow_7especially with usb boot mediums
02:11.16Shadow_7first one to wake up and say I'm here gets the first alpha
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02:11.43Shadow_7SM0TVI: use LABELS or UUIDS not /dev/ basically
02:12.11SM0TVIShadow_7: And I'm using UUID's o.O
02:12.47Shadow_7SM0TVI: if there was a kernel update, that could have rerun update-grub and it grabbed /dev/s??? idk
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02:13.02SM0TVIShadow_7: ls returns hd0, hd0,msdos1 and hd0,msdos5
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02:14.21Shadow_7SM0TVI: you'll need to insmod usb and a few others (OHCI/UHCI) for ls to show the usbs
02:14.34Shadow_7at the grub command prompt
02:14.51Shadow_7stuff already in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg
02:15.20SM0TVIShadow_7: But I don't have anything in USB -- I just had a drive temporarily there to recover data from in o.I
02:15.40Shadow_7SM0TVI: could be the boot drive failed.  So grub can't load
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02:17.04abrotmandpkg: tell wvlf about noipv6
02:17.14abrotmanwvlf: but why would you want to do that?
02:17.45SM0TVIShadow_7: update-grub /dev/sda1 (sda1 is mah drive)
02:17.59SM0TVIShadow_7: Would that beat some sense into grub?
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02:18.21Shadow_7SM0TVI: update-grub only creates the /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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02:19.18Shadow_7SM0TVI: grub-install installs it.  Needs to be  MBR in legacy mode if you're not doing secure boot.  So /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1
02:19.31SM0TVIShadow_7: My hypothesis was that something threw grub a wobbly-
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02:20.03Shadow_7SM0TVI: grub exists in two parts.  On the MBR and loads parts under /boot/grub/
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02:23.27SM0TVIShadow_7: I know.
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02:25.04SM0TVIOkay, in rescue mode
02:25.54dvsgrub-install /dev/sda
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02:27.29SM0TVIWarning: Attempting to install grub on a disk with multiple partition labels.......
02:28.07SM0TVIWarning: Embedding not possible. Grub can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists .....
02:28.16SM0TVIThen it NOPEs-
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02:33.29SM0TVIBut when I ^D out, it boots normally into X O.o
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02:37.52Shadow_7SM0TVI: so install on the MBR of a GPT drive... you can --force it
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02:38.12Shadow_7as long as secure boot is disabled, shouldn't matter
02:38.46SM0TVIShadow_7: Iow, grub-install --force /dev/sda1 ; followed by update-grub?
02:39.04Shadow_7SM0TVI: minus the 1, but basically
02:39.29SM0TVIShadow_7: *derp* Yeah, plop the correct thing into the MBR.
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02:43.38SM0TVIShadow_7: again , it hangs at "[sda] Write cache: enabled, reach cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA"
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02:44.21Shadow_7SM0TVI: is there an initrd image in the grub.cfg?
02:44.33Shadow_7or is it not even getting to the grub menu?
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02:45.17SM0TVIIt gets past the grub menu for recovery mode, spits out everything it finds, then hangs on the SDA :/ WD Caviar Black 1TB, btw.
02:45.54Shadow_7SM0TVI: check the grub.cfg for usage of root=UUID= versus root=/dev/
02:45.55dvsgood drive!
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02:47.04SM0TVIShadow_7: I'm in grub's command prompt (c).
02:47.27Shadow_7SM0TVI: esc should get you back to the menu... and "e" to edit a menu item
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02:48.11Shadow_7been a while but F10 to boot that edited item
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02:50.09SM0TVIShadow_7: set root='hd0,msdos1' which seems correct.
02:50.24Shadow_7SM0TVI: the vmlinuz and initrd lines
02:50.29Shadow_7well the vmlinuz  one
02:50.51Shadow_7that one mostly gets ignored if the rest is okay
02:50.57SM0TVIShadow_7: insmod ext2 seems off, beause it's a ext4 drive. vmlinuz is *-3.16.0-4-amd4
02:51.01SM0TVIamd64*
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02:51.34Shadow_7SM0TVI: and the root= after that
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02:52.52lshslightly OT: I have to write a paper on HTTP/2 for the university. Which channels could help in reviewing the paper?
02:52.54SM0TVIShadow_7: Wait... UUID=
02:53.06SM0TVIAnd ye olde hash string.
02:53.07Shadow_7SM0TVI: vmlinuz.... root=UUID=.....
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02:53.39SM0TVIShadow_7: Yep.
02:53.49SM0TVIro and quiet after.
02:53.53Shadow_7SM0TVI: and a line right after it.. initrd ?
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02:55.18SM0TVIShadow_7: Just /boot/initrd.img-3.16-0-4-amd64
02:55.30SM0TVIinitrd before that.
02:55.38Shadow_7SM0TVI: seems correct
02:55.51Shadow_7SM0TVI: as long as /etc/fstab matches
02:56.06Shadow_7SM0TVI: UUID=.... / ext4 defaults 0 1
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02:57.22SM0TVIShadow_7: If I can get to a shell prompt :(
02:57.44Shadow_7SM0TVI: you can always boot a live version to edit that
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02:58.13Shadow_7SM0TVI: as long as you don't type the UUID... blkid
02:58.27Shadow_7typo*
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03:04.50roylaprattepNeed ideas guys. What utilities is good to have on a dedicated server ? Already have logwatch, cron-apt, fail2ban...
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03:06.15abrotmanthat depends on the purpose of the server
03:06.34abrotmannagios? :)
03:07.12SM0TVIShadow_7: This is odd. I entered the bios setup, tried IDE mode, didn't work, switched back to ahci, and it boots normall O. O
03:07.19dvswebmin
03:07.21dvshides
03:07.25roylaprattepMail server, local DHCP server, local DNS server, local file server, music server, etc.
03:07.42roylaprattepdvs: No need, I like working with the CLI.
03:07.51abrotmanthat was sarcasm
03:08.07roylaprattepOk hehe.
03:08.32abrotmannagios? cacti? ntop? screen/tmux?
03:08.35roylaprattepNagios would be overkill for me I think.
03:08.47roylaprattepalready have byobu :)
03:08.52roylaprattepI have htop
03:08.56roylaprattepntop is better ?
03:09.00Shadow_7SM0TVI: IDE mode?  That's been named PATA since 2006... an old box?
03:09.08abrotmanmaybe you should read descriptions before you ask things like that again? :)
03:09.17roylaprattepYou are there.
03:09.21roylaprattep:)
03:09.34roylaprattepIf you know, why should I read ?
03:09.44simonlnu...
03:09.45roylaprattepWe are here to help ourselves, no ?
03:09.46abrotmanTry not to be lazy ..
03:09.51roylaprattepI am not haha.
03:09.52abrotmanyes, help yourself ..
03:09.56abrotmandon't ask me to read for you
03:10.07SM0TVIShadow_7: No that old '11/'12
03:10.07roylaprattepI didn't ask that.
03:10.14roylaprattepI said "If you know..."
03:10.14abrotmanroylaprattep: then go read, good luck
03:10.23roylaprattepI'm here since a week only.
03:10.33roylaprattepIf I was lazy, I would not manage my server.
03:10.52roylaprattepI always do things on my own. I learn by myself, don't worry.
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03:11.02abrotmanI'm not going to answer this .. you can read the descriptions
03:11.12abrotmanyou should read the descriptoins for all the things mentioned
03:11.34SM0TVIShadow_7: fstab line is UID=... / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
03:11.45roylaprattepCome on guys ! Why you are so rude. =P
03:11.59roylaprattepI love you all anyway.
03:12.07roylaprattep;)
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03:12.22abrotmanstarts to hand out /ignores ..
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03:13.12roylaprattepHehe.
03:13.19simonlnugrabs one
03:13.27SM0TVISame UUID in both fstab and grub.cfg, Shadow_7 :/
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03:15.14roylaprattepabrotman: where you from ?
03:15.36simonlnuhis mom
03:15.40roylaprattepHAHA
03:15.45johnfgSorry to go away after stating a problem and almost posing a question.
03:16.35abrotmanjohnfg: you didn't actually say what's wrong ? or i do'nt see it ?
03:16.43johnfgBut, what would you suggest to try and fix the installation without losing lots of data and files?  Can I or should I reinstall from the netinstall.iso, and just not have the installer destroy the data?
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03:17.20dvsjohnfg: depends what screwed up
03:18.13johnfgabrotman: The permissions on both /home and /var are pretty screwed up, and things aren't running properly.
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03:18.53abrotmanjohnfg: define screwed up
03:18.58abrotmanjohnfg: how did you screw them up?
03:19.05abrotmanwith vodka?
03:19.07johnfgI think the main cause, or the first cause (sounds like philosophy) was that I kept those partitions out of the knowledge of the installer, then mounted them back and tried to use them.
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03:20.25abrotmanso, they're owned by the wrong numeric UID?
03:20.30abrotmanwhat symptoms are you seeing?
03:20.49Shadow_7SM0TVI: might check for a bios update
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03:21.08johnfghttps://matoski.com/article/debian-restore-var-ownership-permissions/ the Method 2 here is what I tried, but now I can't login as myself or as root.
03:22.11stewjohnfg: can you restore permissions from a recent backup?
03:22.42johnfgstew: Did you see the article and Method 2 that was shown?
03:23.05abrotmanjohnfg: what is actually not performing correctly?
03:23.20johnfgI ran that create_permissions_script.sh, but it made things worse.
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03:23.28abrotmanif you have a backup from a system that created the data, and that data was messed up from the start .. probably won't do much good
03:24.11johnfgabrotman: Sorry I'm not explaining this very well.  But now, as I just stated, neither root nor myself can login.  Only one other user is able to login.
03:24.30abrotmanroot doesn't live in /home/
03:25.01johnfgIs jessie smart enough to do a reinstall, and yet not destroy things in /home or in /var?
03:25.24johnfgabrotman: root isn't able to login, nor can the user sudo.
03:26.13abrotmanno error messages?
03:26.20abrotmanlogin to X, or CLI?
03:27.08johnfgNot that I can read at present.  I *can* login via the CLI as another user, but not as root, not as myself, and X won't start (due to permission problems).
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03:28.53johnfgabrotman: One of the problems with the script I referred to, is with openafs.  It seems like it's trying to chown on *all* the cells that populate /afs.
03:29.10johnfgI suppose I can try running it again, and just delete anything having to do with openafs.
03:29.26abrotmanyou're really going to have to compile more information .. for all we know, you've just got the wrong passwords
03:29.30gijoeHey Guys & Gals! Do you think that a 64gb SSD is enough for Debian or should i go with 128gb SSD just to be safe?
03:30.43johnfgabrotman: What do you think about a reinstall of jessie?  Or, on the page I showed, Method 3: Reinstalling all the pkgs with aptitude/
03:30.51abrotmangijoe: what will the machine do?
03:31.03abrotmanjohnfg: since we don't know what's wrong, it's hard for us to say
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03:31.24johnfgabrotman: And I guess now, I'd have to do it from a chroot environment.
03:31.48abrotmanor you oculd chroot in, and read the logs
03:31.52johnfg<PROTECTED>
03:32.08johnfgabrotman: That last is a great idea.
03:32.35johnfgI'm gonna leave this office and head to the home office, and I'll reconnect from there.
03:32.35abrotmansometimes, that happens
03:33.00johnfgabrotman: Don't be modest :-)
03:34.13johnfgI'll check back in a bit...off into the Montana cold.
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03:36.25ObelioIf I right click a zip file, i do not get the context menu for "Extract here..."  how do I get it to work like that?
03:36.48gijoeThe machine will be mainly for a server(Flex, Samba, VPN, and other server type software)
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03:37.21gijoeIll have a HDD for storage so i am hoping to run just the OS ond the SSD
03:37.43gijoefor storage
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03:47.17Shadow_7gijoe: if you buy a decent card with intent to swap it out at least once every six months... good enough for most desktop tasks
03:47.54Shadow_7probably don't want to compile sources 24/7/365 on it, but as a youtube viewer... just dandy
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04:52.59ZipfHello there. I have a small personal ftp box, its running debian wheezy 7.9. I'm new to linux, been trying it for the last several months, everything i need its running perfect, no problems at all, just curious, i run less /var/log/messages commna,d and got this:
04:53.00Zipfhttp://pastebin.com/UQjWnub5
04:53.21Zipfwhat should i understead from that ?
04:53.27Zipfis the a problem with that x-pid="2263 ?
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04:56.19AebianZipf: check this out: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=37751  ( that should answer your question)
04:56.46venkat_330<PROTECTED>
04:57.42brandnewbianI have a dell laptop with optimus video card switching. Whats an easy way to tell which video card im currently using?
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04:59.37ZipfAebian thank you for the link, seems i'm fine. Also, i know it may sound stupid, but how do i leave that /var/log/messages from shell ? I have an END there, but enter does nothing, also ctrl + c dont work, how do i exit that menu ?
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05:00.52Savemechguys i'm almost broke my head, i have a box into kvm; and there is actually many of them but this one cant ping sucessfully; i mean i see answers in tcpdump, but ping/fping/fping6 clearly wont show answers; anybody could help me? iptables disabled; SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1 (2015-12-14) x86_64; default sysctl.conf
05:00.57AebianZipf: try to enter 'q' or !quit
05:01.17Aebianq without the quotes
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05:02.20ZipfAebian again, thank you my friend, q did it, thx for the link also
05:02.23Zipfvery helpful
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05:03.33AebianZipf:  yw ^^
05:03.57johnfghere's a wierd thing, I'm able to ssh into the tmux machine, from this messed up machine, but can't do my normal login.
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05:04.42johnfgOn this user I'm using, an example of something messed up is ssh can't write to ~/.ssh; vim can't write to .vimhistory, etc.
05:06.31johnfgabrotman: What did you think of the Method 3: reinstalling everything with aptitude?
05:07.46johnfgOr, should I do the booting of the netinstall, and chroot and check logs?
05:09.22ObelioI have a sh program to create my firewall with iptables, what is the best way to make it load upon startup?
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05:12.00AebianObelio: put the script into etc/init.d/ and it should start onb next boot. If not then ln -s /etc/init.d/myGreatScript /etc/rc.d/
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05:12.58ObelioAebian,  Thanks! is that it? only put the script in etc/init.d/ and give it execution permissions?
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05:13.32AebianObelio: yes, that should work. If not just create also a symlink with the command I just posted at the end of my sentence
05:13.35ObelioAebian, what would that link do?  ln -s /etc/init.d/myGreatScript /etc/rc.d/
05:13.50ObelioAebian, Thank you so much
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05:17.32AebianObelio: scripts and services in rc.d are getting executed on boot. With the symlink the rc.d stuff would also have your script in init.d  executed. So its kinda like a failsafe thing.
05:17.45ObelioAebian, Should I chown it to root or leave it with my actual user?
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05:19.00AebianObelio: your user should be fine
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05:23.11ObelioAebian, I will reboot now, to see if it worked
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05:23.40AebianObelio: okay do it ^^^
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05:24.49simonlnubrandnewbian: uses the integrated by default. to use the optimus, install bumblebee
05:25.07simonlnuis afk
05:25.36brandnewbiansimonlnu: ty. I believe I have to install the nvidia drivers before bumblebee?
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05:34.41AebianObelio: wb ^^
05:35.00ObelioAebian, no luck
05:35.34AebianObelio: hmm well try to chown it by root and do a chmod +x
05:36.09ObelioAebian, the script is now in /etc/init.d the strange thing is that after looking at my iptables I did a sudo service firewall
05:36.19ObelioAebian, and that ran it and set my rules
05:36.35ObelioAebian, I will chown it to root and see
05:37.27AebianObelio: alright
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05:40.22ObelioAebian, I think I know what happened, it was not owned by root and had permissions 711 instead of 755 like everything else has in that directory, I chowned and chgrouped to root and made it 755 here I go again to reboot
05:40.39AebianObelio: ok do it
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05:43.57stewAebian: he is running a sysv init?
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05:44.25stewAebian: wait, what is /etc/rc.d?
05:45.01xargsBSD?
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05:47.16Aebianstew: oh my fault rc4.d should be the one then
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05:47.45stewAebian: is he using sysv init?
05:47.56stewAebian: and runlevel 4 is his default runlevel?
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05:48.09Aebianstew: I didn't ask him that
05:48.16stewAebian: why rc4.d?
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05:48.56roeniecat /proc/mdstat shows 1 drive is down in md3, and that same drive is listed in an automatically created new array called md127, any thoughts?
05:49.10Aebianstew: I assumed that this would be okay but yeah I shouldn't assuming stuff
05:49.18roeniemd127 only has that drive and is listed auto-read-only in /proc/mdstat
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05:49.28stewAebian: runelvel 4 is quite a bizarre assumption
05:49.59roenie(md3 is raid 1, and md127 is also listed as being raid 1)
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05:50.56roeniethis happened after having rebooted the machine
05:51.43roeniesomething wrong with the detection of the superblock, in what md device that drive belongs??
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05:52.08stonedOh sorry, cleaning keybaord in kitchen and I guess the wireless signal was strong.
05:52.20stonedI thought I turned it off
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05:54.27roeniewhen a drive that's part of a raid1 array goes down, is it normal for mdraid to try to put that drive in a newly created mdraid array (with just that 1 drive), with whatever is the first available md device number? in this case, md127
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06:00.14stewroenie: do you want to upload the output of "mdadm -Q /dev/xxx" for both physical devices and the output lf "mdadm --detail --scan" somewhere we can see them?
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06:02.17muggedmelonDoes anybody know why VLC cant go into fullscreen uning the Compton compositor in Debian 8 with XFCE/
06:02.19muggedmelon?
06:03.21xargsShow me your melons.
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06:03.43muggedmelonno thanx
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06:06.51xargsCheck the bug tracker for VLC, Compton, Xfce, etc.
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06:09.22ObelioAebian, I finally got it to work, what I was missing is 'Sudo update-rc.d MyScript defaults' Just in case anyone was following.
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06:27.54roeniestew, sorry nature called. I was looking through dmesg and noticed that the drive in question was not listed together with all the other sd devices when being detected, it shows up later, after the other drives are already up and assembled into md devices
06:28.46roeniethen, mdraid turns the drive (sdi) into md127
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06:36.14FXpr0anyone around by chance?
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06:37.31darxmurfhi all
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06:38.42swift110-phoneHow r u
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06:42.38roenie<stew> roenie: do you want to upload the output of "mdadm -Q /dev/xxx" for both physical devices
06:42.50roeniethat command expects an md device, not a physical device
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06:46.03roeniewhat the... mdadm --examine /dev/md3 says Array State : AA ('A' == active, '.' == missing)
06:46.53roeniecat /proc/mdstat says md3 : active raid1 sdh1[0] and [2/1] [U_]
06:47.13stewroenie: did you already rejoin the missing drive? and was this the drive that formed /dev/md127 or whatever?
06:47.43roenieI've not done anything, only looked at logs etc
06:48.31roeniereason being I have no backup at this point so before doing any array management I should copy the data to my usb drive
06:48.45roeniewhile the array still has one mirror up
06:48.52FXpr0after editing the sudo file how do I save it?  ctrl-x is not working.
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06:51.12roeniestew: all was fine with md3 before a reboot, during the reboot sdi was detected slightly late, after md3 was already up, and it was then inexplicably assigned to md127 which was created for that purpose automatically, the expected behaviour would be for it to have been added to md3 based on the info in that HDDs superblock
06:51.54roenieso I'm wondering what's in the superblock
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06:53.36stewroenie: md3 is a 2 drive mirror or a 3 drive mirror?
06:53.45roenie2
06:53.58stewroenie: yes, i'd expect that too, unless both sides of the mirrors had been up first at different times and so now they are divergent
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06:54.27stewif both halves of the mirrors have new commits to them, you can no longer rejoin them, right?
06:54.44roeniethis won't be the case here
06:55.04roenieit was assembled recently and has been up all of the time
06:55.10roenieup until the reboot
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06:56.24roeniewasn there a command to read the superblock of a drive, to see what array info is in it?
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06:56.40stewi thought that was mdadm -Q
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06:56.46stewbut I'm rusty on this
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06:57.14roeniemdadm -Q refuses to use a device like /dev/sdi, it only works with /dev/md#
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06:58.07roeniewhich is odd because my commands cheatsheet says mdadm -Q /dev/sd#
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06:58.30stewI think it should work for either an array or a member
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06:59.00roenieyou're right according to the manual, let me try again
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07:01.37roeniehttp://paste.lisp.org/display/304578
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07:03.12roenie(note that md5 is a stripe consisting of md3 and md4)
07:03.33roenieoops
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07:03.50roenie*(note that md4 is a stripe consisting of md2 and md3)
07:04.17roenieso if anything happens to md3 now, that stripe is a goner
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07:05.10roenieI am in the process of backing it up
07:05.28roenie(1TB over gbit lan)
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07:05.53stewand md3 is not degraded?
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07:06.27roeniesee http://paste.lisp.org/display/304578
07:06.35stewwhat about mdadm --examine /dev/127?
07:07.33roeniepaste annotated, refresh the page please
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07:07.54stewshit, haha, how do you know if this is talking about md3 as being an array or a member of the other array?
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07:08.55steware they both claiming to have two active members? are they both claiming to be active members in some other array?
07:09.08roenieI seem to recall having /dev/md12# devices and hating it, and I did something to make my arrays use /dev/md3 and such
07:09.27roeniedon't remember what, but maybe because the drive was detected slightly late, that has something to do with it being 127 now
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07:10.38stewbut wait, md3 and md127 neither look degraded, right?
07:10.42stewor am I missing something?
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07:10.54roenieboth are degraded according to proc/mdstat
07:11.05roeniethat's what U_ and _U means
07:11.33roenieit simply has both mirrors up in seperate arrays
07:11.43stewthe "Array State : AA" is confusing me
07:11.51roenieme too and I choose to ignore it
07:11.56stewok
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07:22.05roenieHmm, md3 has the same array UUID as md2? http://paste.lisp.org/display/304578#2
07:23.41roeniemd2 = 2x 500GB seagate HDD, and md3 has another 2 of the same drive model, but still
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07:25.28stewroenie: is it the UUID of md4 ?
07:25.35stewroenie: because they are both members of md4?
07:25.36roenieoh I see, it just lists what they belong to
07:25.42roeniemy bad
07:25.57roenie(derp)
07:26.00stewyeah, that's what I was saying about being confused about wether we are seeing info about their memebers or their membership in other arrays
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07:27.25roeniehttp://paste.lisp.org/display/304578#3 added content of mdadm.conf
07:28.01stewand you cant use --examine or -Q on sdi1 or sdg1 ?
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07:29.42roenieadded, refresh page please
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07:31.34roenieexamine says it belongs to the correct UUID
07:31.51roenieso why the bleep is it in md127
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07:32.13stewdo they have the same magic, checksum, events?
07:32.20stewsdi1 and sdg1
07:32.21roenie?
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07:32.45stewhave we seen if they have diverged?
07:32.52stewif they have diverged they can't be rejoined
07:32.54roeniesdh1 is its mirror
07:33.23roenieI see
07:33.23stewright, sorry, meant sdi1 and sdh1
07:33.36stewhow many events do each have
07:34.15roeniehttp://paste.lisp.org/display/304578#5
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07:34.53roenieevents 70 vs 90
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07:35.32ns5How can I find out which packages depend on isc-dhcp-client?
07:35.32roeniedifferent checksums
07:35.35stewand md127 has more events
07:36.08stewso md127 can't join the older array, it thinks it should be the master, right?
07:36.20roenieperhaps
07:36.29roeniemakes sense
07:36.39stewor wait did I get them backwards
07:36.49ns5How can I find out which packages depend on package 'isc-dhcp-client'?
07:37.01stewsdi1 has fewer, and was last updated 2 days ago
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07:37.16stewand that is md127
07:37.27stewns5: installed packages?
07:37.37roeniewhat is considered an "event" exactly?
07:37.38ns5stew: yes
07:38.52stewns5: aptitude search '~Disc-dhcp-client~i'
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07:43.34liliboxhi
07:44.11liliboxi am trying polish my distro now, seems like jessie does what i wanted from her
07:45.07gonzalo2Hi all!! My debian no turn off the computer... I tried with "shutdown -h -H -P +0", poweroff, halt, etc and it is imposible. I have opensource graphic driver installed (radeon).. Can this be the problem??
07:45.08liliboxbut need fix few small things, i am running jessie as server in text mode, from remote computers mainly win7 and rhel/centos i use vnc client to access to old firefox
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07:45.40ns5I tried to purge many packages, many failed because they have packages depend on them.  Now when I run dpkg --get-selection, they are all marked as purge.  Is this a problem?  How to restore the status to install?
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07:46.20liliboxi realized this by this primitive way, xvfb, firefox, x11vnc
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07:48.02ns5I tried to purge many packages, many failed because they have packages depend on them.  Now when I run dpkg --get-selection, they are all marked as purge.  Is this a problem?  How to restore the status to install?
07:48.06liliboxand mainly, if i click to firefox panels by right mouse button and menu appears i am unable to move cursor
07:48.16liliboxif i do any movement menu disappears
07:48.42liliboxany idea where to start with hunting for fixes?
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08:00.34stewns5: you can install them again, or you can use dpkg --set-selections
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08:01.07stewthe latter is probably better since it won't mark them as manually installed if they weren't already
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08:01.57stewand I believe if you use --set-selections you should use apt-get dselect-updgrade
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08:19.40FXprothat bugged it
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08:23.19maashaI have a fresh netinst debian install with gnome. How do I get virtual desktops_
08:23.22maasha?
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08:27.26maashaI seem to be missing something
08:27.33roylaprattepapt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-plugins
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08:31.46roylaprattepyou will have to add this to your sources.list "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ wily main universe
08:32.03roylaprattepUpdate your sources, install Compiz, the plugins and ccsm then either remove, or comment out, the line.
08:32.08stewwoah woah woah
08:32.11stewno no no
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08:32.31stewroylaprattep: wrong channel?
08:32.34maashabut isn't there some plain workspaces or virtual desktop buildin to gnome?
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08:32.47stewmaasha: don't listen to roylaprattep
08:32.51roylaprattepstew: Damn, yeah sorry.
08:33.32maashastew: I was skeptical :)
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08:35.17roylaprattepmaasha: To add workspaces to the GNOME Desktop, right-click on the Workspace Switcher applet, then choose Preferences.
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08:35.40roylaprattepmaasha: Use the Number of workspaces spin box to specify the number of workspaces that you require.
08:36.20jasabellamuesli... did you check systemd-resolved for hints perhaps?
08:36.53roylaprattepmaasha: Got it ?
08:37.22mueslijasabella: by now i'm pretty sure dhcpcd was the culprit and doesn't quite behave as documented
08:37.30muesliwill try and switch to dhclient soon
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08:39.32maashaSo I dont seem to have a Workspace Switcher applet.
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08:39.51maashaIts been a lot of years since I last tried gnome.
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08:40.09maashaone should have gnome-applets package or some such installed?
08:40.12jasabellaCtrl+F1, F2, F3...?
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08:42.45gonzalo2Hi all!! My debian no turn off the computer... I tried with "shutdown -h -H -P +0", poweroff, halt, etc and it is imposible. I have opensource graphic driver installed (radeon).. Can this be the problem??
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08:43.20Mathisengonzalo2, shutdown -h now
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08:44.28jasabellawhich version of debian? don't you need root in wheezy or earlier?
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08:44.44SM0TVIAnyone remember off-hand if WD Caviar Blacks hade some firmware/SMART setting which could cause issues with Linux installs?
08:45.51SM0TVIgonzalo2: You may have to do "sudo shutdown -h now" (it will prompt you for your pas)
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08:48.55gonzalo2SM0TVI: It doesn't work... Power off the system but not the computer...
08:49.18roylaprattepgonzalo2: What are you trying ?
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08:54.07flappySM0TVI: /sbin/shutdown i think
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08:56.06gonzalo2roylaprattep: i want to turn off the system and the computer, but i tried with shutdown, halt, poweroff, init and it doesnt work... I think it is a problem about a graphic driver... I dont know...
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09:00.46roylaprattepI would say proble, with ACPI.
09:00.54roylaprattepshutdown -h now doesn't work ?
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09:01.23roylaprattepCheck your BIOS for ACPI options disabled ?
09:01.41roylaprattepOr ACPI errors in your logs.
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09:03.48roylaprattepand add "acpi=force" to your /etc/default/grub
09:04.11roylaprattepat the end of the line
09:04.18roylaprattepGRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=”quiet splash acpi=force”
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09:04.26roylaprattepand try again
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09:05.08roylaprattepgonzalo2:
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09:06.47gonzalo2roylaprattep: thanks. i will try
09:07.32roylaprattepgonzalo2: Let me know.
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09:08.57deavmi_mobileIs abrowser available in the repos?
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09:10.22gonzalo2roylaprattep: acpi=force or acpi=0 ¿?
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09:12.39roylaprattepacpi=force
09:13.05roylaprattepthen sudo update-grub
09:16.34gonzalo2roylaprattep: the logs say "ACPI: Interpreter disabled." I think this is the problem... but now I cant poweroff the computer... I will try after!! Thaaaankss!!
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09:19.32roylaprattepNp.
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09:20.13roylaprattepYou have tried what I said or not ? gonzalo2
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09:24.02gonzalo2roylaprattep: No, I dont try. I will try with acpi=force, but not now.
09:25.37roylaprattepoh ok.
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09:27.05TwirlHi, just issued rm /path/* to a directory with over a million images, disc is SSD, it's taking too long, over 15 minutes, should i be worried?
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09:27.41rhizomeTwirl: is the drive light on/blinking
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09:28.18Twirlrhizome: i'm connected via ssh
09:28.31roylapratteptwirl: no. if its million...
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09:28.54Twirlbut how long could this take? it's ext4 and only 30gb
09:28.57roylaprattepNext time, verbose it.
09:29.13Twirlhow? i'm doing it with another directory afterwards
09:29.16roylaprattep30gb is enough to take 15min and more...
09:29.26Twirlbut it's SSD
09:29.37rhizomeit's not magic
09:29.50Twirlalright i guess, still hasn't finished
09:29.53Twirlhow do u verbose it?
09:29.56roylaprattepCrtl-c then and check your directory.
09:30.20Twirlctrl c doesnt work
09:30.31Twirlshows ^C in a new line but no -$
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09:30.43roylapratteprm -rfv
09:31.02roylaprattepv = verbose
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09:31.44Twirlshouldn't i wait or something? it's still stuck on ^C
09:31.46roylaprattepkill the pid of your rm process.
09:32.02roylaprattepand verbose the rest.
09:32.09Twirlwell, guess i could connect again
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09:32.25roylaprattepyes.
09:32.47Twirllol htop shows both cores at 100%
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09:33.04Twirlboth stuck at 100.0%
09:33.56roylaprattepkill the pid and do it verbosely.
09:33.57Twirllol i can't kill them
09:34.08Twirlit won't let me kill the -bash command
09:34.10nkuttlerwhy not?
09:34.15Twirlidk
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09:34.18roylaprattepthats impossible.
09:34.28Twirli'm on htop as root
09:34.36TwirlF9 = kill
09:34.42Twirlconfirmed send
09:34.46Twirlstill not killing
09:34.51roylaprattepopen up another sessions and kill the rm process.
09:35.00Twirlits what i just did
09:35.01roylaprattepwith the cli
09:35.05roylaprattepnot htop...
09:35.06Twirlalright it stopped
09:36.00Twirllol it didn't delete
09:36.00roylaprattepexcellent.
09:36.27Twirli went to the directory and ls -l it's showing millions of files
09:36.32roylaprattepnow "sudo rm -rfv /your/dir/*
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09:36.37Twirlwon't let me stop it
09:37.03Twirlit keeps showing thousands and thousands of files
09:37.28Twirltmux is unresponsive too
09:37.38roylaprattepJust kill your tmux
09:37.43Twirlguake works tho
09:37.54Twirlnope, frozen too
09:37.54roylaprattepkill all your last ssh session
09:38.03Twirlalright it stopped
09:38.10roylaprattephaha
09:38.20roylaprattepthat's very funny.
09:38.25roylaprattep:P
09:38.31darxmurfanybody is using salt over here ?
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09:39.07Twirlalright, just sent your command and it isn't showing anything
09:39.11roylaprattepyeah. on my fries.
09:39.21Twirlsame as last time
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09:39.36roylaprattepthere is something wrong
09:39.49Twirl-bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Argument list too long
09:39.51Twirldafuq
09:40.00roylaprattepdo you have permission on that dir/files?
09:40.02Twirlhow am i supposed to delete those files then
09:40.16Twirli'm sudo
09:40.20Twirlroot
09:40.21roylaprattepdo it as root
09:40.22Twirlw/e
09:40.24Twirlyea
09:40.24roylaprattepnot.sudo
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09:40.34Twirlit should show permission error
09:40.44Twirlits not a permission error
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09:40.49roylaprattepwell
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09:41.00roylaprattepyou can mkfs.ext4 it.
09:41.03Twirlmaybe i should just delete the directory and create it again
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09:41.18Twirlinstead of /* every file on it
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09:41.39roylapratteptry. or mkfs.ext4 it.
09:41.48roylaprattepif you dont need anything else on it
09:41.49themilldeleting the directory is a much better idea
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09:42.16roylaprattepif he want to delete everythings... it doesnt care.
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09:43.00Twirlsudo rm -rf /path doesn't seem to be working
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09:43.16Twirlyea it worked :O
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09:43.37roylaprattepTwirl: Good. Congrats.
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09:44.24Twirland now the second folder
09:44.40roylaprattepare you deleting everything on it?
09:44.46Twirlyea, done
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09:44.55Twirlsame amount of files but smaller file size
09:45.15roylaprattephehe. ypu could have been formatting instead of all that problems...
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09:46.40Twirlformatting the whole hd?
09:46.44Twirlor just the folder?
09:47.02Twirlive nver done that
09:47.03roylaprattepif you delete evrything on it... yeah.
09:47.20Twirlwhat you mean everything on it?
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09:47.35roylaprattepAre you serious ? :P
09:47.37Twirli just needed to delete two folders
09:47.47Twirlnot the whole disc
09:47.53roylaprattepThats what I wanted to know...
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09:48.08Twirlwell, back to work, ty
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09:48.25roylaprattepI tought you only had your "millions file" on it.
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09:53.50ksx4systemis there any app to pick an app to launch by typing its name? something like fire [enter] to launch Firefox
09:54.10ksx4systemwould be wonderful to map something like this to start button on Openbox
09:54.43jellythne you probably don't want kde's krunner
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09:58.31feitingenany bash-completion guys here? Just wondering if the bug i submitted wasn't done right: https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/?func=detail&group_id=100114&aid=315262&atid=413095
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10:14.32SM0TVISo I'm having this curious issue. I migrated to a 1TB WD Caviar Black yesterday, and I am having issues with the boot process sporadically hanging at the point it is detecting the SATA drive.
10:15.00Filystynthx for answering jelly / shadow_7 (asked about aptitude but forgot to read answers yesterday )
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10:29.14ThisIsGoodNowhey
10:30.08ThisIsGoodNowive been hearing some crap about debian and the nsa or some shit like that. I ain't a tin foil hat guy, but the guy who said this info knows what he's talking about.
10:30.19ThisIsGoodNowIt was some shit about backdoors and crap iirc.
10:30.37ThisIsGoodNowNow you gonna say there ain't no such shit, and you can't prove it or disprove it anyways.
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10:32.34ThisIsGoodNowso im wondering this shit be true or nat
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10:32.55bazhangThisIsGoodNow, #debian-offtopic and no cursing please
10:33.03StummiThisIsGoodNow, theres another theory; *every* big piece of open source has backdoors placed as "bugs" by NSA and similar.
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10:33.35themillor even better, take it to /dev/null
10:33.44ThisIsGoodNowStummi, i doubt that
10:33.57ThisIsGoodNowthat's just avoiding the response
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10:34.17StummiThisIsGoodNow, as said, take it to #debian-offtopic
10:34.38ThisIsGoodNowStummi, okay so you don't want to reply. i'll take that as a yes.
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10:42.26Shadow_7ksx4system: dmenu is kind of like that.
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10:42.45rhizomerebuilding a mirror is not super fast
10:43.06anddamis there a metapackage to install apps from gnustep application project?
10:43.13Shadow_7and even slower over dialup (I mean american interwebs)
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10:52.55SM0TVIShadow_7: O HAI again. I have narrowed the problem I have down to the part of the init which detects the SATA ports.
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10:54.17superlinuxhi. I am trying to help someone solve his assignment. but my question is really simple: which linux kernel version has automatic deadlock avoidance ?
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10:54.37superlinuxthe student is asked to talk about it.
10:54.44Shadow_7SM0TVI: did you check for a bios update?
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10:55.24SM0TVIShadow_7: Yep, running the latest available BIOS, still sporadic hangs on SATA detect (Also tried different ports, no change)
10:57.25Shadow_7superlinux: must be a suck school or bogus question or history class.  I'd assume all of them, but outside of answer given by teacher only or grok-ing the kernel changelogs kind of hard to answer.
10:57.25Mathisensuperlinux, /join ##kernel
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10:57.55Shadow_7superlinux: might even be hard to grok as the terminology is unique to the crazy person teaching.
10:57.58CQany shell gurus here? Trying to get this to work...
10:58.06CQ<PROTECTED>
10:58.18CQits the quotes and the sed command that are the problem
10:58.37antgelHi all. Trying to build a phantomjs package from Debian's git at http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/phantomjs.git/. Have cloned it, installed the build-deps, but dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us fails with no upstream tarball found at ../phantomjs_2.0.0+dfsg.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}. What step did I miss?
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11:03.00superlinuxShadow_7, it's for the "design of operating systems" subject for BS students
11:03.12superlinuxbut I know what you mean..
11:03.27superlinuxbut you know , algorithms has to be taught
11:03.31Shadow_7SM0TVI: how old is the drive?  seems like when the SSD part of the hybrid fails to read only you can only use it as a secondary drive
11:04.11Shadow_7SM0TVI: http://support.wdc.com/KnowledgeBase/answer.aspx?ID=11028
11:04.30SM0TVIShadow_7: Brand new.
11:04.46Shadow_7superlinux: except that such classes are never taught by anyone who ACTUALLY DESIGNED an operating system.
11:05.04superlinuxhehe
11:05.06SM0TVIShadow_7: And it is a plain WD Caviar black.
11:05.13Shadow_7SM0TVI: perhaps formated with the wrong partitioning or with the wrong tool
11:06.00superlinuxi think it should be taught
11:06.20SM0TVIShadow_7: I partitioned it with the tools int eh debian netinstall image :/
11:07.46Shadow_7SM0TVI: how big is the install image?  df
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11:08.10SM0TVIShadow_7: On the USB stick? 200MB-ish
11:08.44Shadow_7SM0TVI: for what you're trying to boot on the caviar black.  Or is it the stick that is sporadic?
11:08.56SM0TVIAs to the partition on the drive, it's almost 1TB, I have about 25G or so of swap.
11:09.28Shadow_7SM0TVI: you wouldn't need to backup swap when reformatting a drive
11:09.48Shadow_7although you would need to recreate it on a new partitioning scheme
11:09.57SM0TVIShadow_7: It's the stick that is sporadic, I'm getting the feeling that the kernel code expects an interrupt from the AHCI, but never gets it.
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11:10.51Shadow_7SM0TVI: could be grub.cfg then.  USB has many drivers.  OHCI and UHCI for starters that CANNOT co-exist
11:11.02SM0TVIAlso, when I reboot, it is more likely to succeed than a cold start.
11:11.10Shadow_7SM0TVI: the insmod 's in grub.cfg might be using the wrong one.
11:11.38SM0TVIThis isn't a USB drive, it's a SATA drive proper.
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11:12.03SM0TVIAnd I get the same hang if I try setting the BIOS to IDE mode.
11:12.10Shadow_7SM0TVI: connected over the USB bus?
11:12.38SM0TVIShadow_7: No, over the SATA socket on the mobo
11:13.14Shadow_7SM0TVI: but you're booting off  of usb?  < SM0TVI> Shadow_7: It's the stick that is sporadic
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11:13.46SM0TVIShadow_7: Oh, I thought you mean stick as in hang itsefl XD
11:14.26superlinuxI want to add a fax modem to my hp proliant server so it would call me on my mobile phone  with a  streamed voice message. how can I do that?
11:14.35SM0TVIWhen the drive works, it is pure joy tho XD
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11:15.13Shadow_7superlinux: asterisk?  might need a 3rd party provider for the SMS part.
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11:15.46Shadow_7SM0TVI: so sometimes the usb doesn't boot?  or sometimes after booting the usb the drive is seen and/or NOT seen?
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11:16.50Shadow_7the wd caviar black drive is seen / not
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11:17.48superlinuxShadow_7, I have the FreePBX installed on another computer. ( i know it's centos/redhat), but I want to use the fax modem for a direct call
11:18.17Shadow_7superlinux: and you have a ground line to connect with?
11:18.23SM0TVIShadow_7: No, I've gotten it to the point where grub always starts up, the bios always sees the drive, but the kernel starting up has a strong tendency to hang during the portion which detects the SATA drive.
11:18.50Shadow_7SM0TVI: is the kernel on the USB or on the WD ?
11:19.01SM0TVIShadow_7: On the WD
11:19.11Shadow_7SM0TVI: and the USB is JUST grub?
11:19.17superlinuxmy office has five ground lines
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11:19.48SM0TVIShadow_7: Not using the USB, not since I completed the install.
11:19.49Shadow_7superlinux: you would need a VOICE modem, not fax to CALL though.
11:20.08bhuddahsuperlinux: i'd go for a sip provider to make calls these days.
11:20.19Shadow_7You could technically call on fax modem, but you'd be squeeching data, nothing more
11:20.28superlinuxthe fax modems do come with voice.
11:20.35superlinuxthat's what I remember
11:21.14superlinuxi re-give it a thought, maybe I call the server and with a text-to-speech read for me the logs
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11:21.36superlinuxi think that would be cool to make.
11:21.47superlinux.. to implement I mean
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11:21.52Shadow_7superlinux: not in the later days.  They were ONLY fax modems.
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11:22.11Shadow_7The voice and fax were hardware based and expensive
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11:22.39superlinuxi still have an old ttyS0 (Serial port) modem.
11:23.04superlinuxthat does not need any driver definitions
11:23.24Shadow_7I have a box of pci fax modems since I was on dialup till '08-ish.  The lucent ones were almost tollerable.
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11:23.51Shadow_7The conexant ones I loathe, mostly because of linuxant and the magical vanishing of the pre-linuxant driver.
11:24.15Shadow_7buying hardware twice because the software part is extra... *sigh*
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11:25.26superlinuxyeah right
11:25.36superlinuxthose were days to remember
11:25.40Shadow_7SM0TVI: perhaps you need to enable the boot flag on the partition.  A bios limitation.  Not technically needed to boot linux, but the bios might crave it.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1652150
11:25.40SM0TVIShadow_7: Hmm.. fdisk -l sez "Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundar"
11:25.53SM0TVIShadow_7: Boot enabled
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11:28.08Shadow_7SM0TVI: you might need to repartition to align and give the bios what it wants.  MBR / GPT... you can backup your current install though (if you have room for it somewhere)
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11:30.15antgelHi all. Trying to build a phantomjs package from Debian's git at http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/phantomjs.git/. Have cloned it, installed the build-deps, but dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us fails with no upstream tarball found at ../phantomjs_2.0.0+dfsg.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}. What step did I miss?
11:30.30SM0TVIShadow_7: Partition 3 is the swap :3
11:31.14themillantgel: building the package still needs the upstream tarball
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11:32.00antgelthemill: Yes. I'm getting help in #d-d
11:32.05themillantgel: pristine-tar can construct it from the pristine-tar branch in the same repo
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11:33.03Shadow_7SM0TVI: well if your system is actually BIOS and not UEFI, then you'll likely need an MBR/dos partitioning scheme versus GPT.  The installer might default to GPT these days.  idk
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11:33.38antgelthemill: Thanks, I'm trying origtargz
11:34.10themillyep
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11:35.25antgelthemill: pristine-tar looks great too. long time since i've dealt with this toolchain (YEARS)
11:35.44VeiditI have built a few .deb packages with debconf support. But what happens with postinst when apt-get upgrade is run? does debconf run it with configure, upgrade or something else?
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11:36.23themillantgel: pristine-tar is only really useful for the period between creating a repacked orig.tar.gz and uploading it to Debian. It's overly fragile due to changes in tar.
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11:40.55inframareI have a bluetooth 4 Low Energy mouse (MS Wireless Mouse 3600), it won't pair through the gui in gnome, but I can get it connected and paired with hcitool or gatttool - however it still does not function as a mouse, what should I check/do next?
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11:46.03ksx4systemShadow_7, omg that dmenu thing is wonderful :D thank you
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11:46.33Shadow_7ksx4system: np
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11:52.03Shadow_7heh.  +800MB of downloading to get the dev stuffs.
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11:54.25nevyninframare: you need bluez 5
11:54.36nevynfor le support
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11:57.31SM0TVIShadow_7: FYI, recovery mode gets me this data as to where it croaks. Either as in this pic, or a couple of lines up (scsi direct access device): http://i.imgur.com/Y90hZXM.jpg
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12:02.15Shadow_7SM0TVI: seems like dpo and fua are scsi type things.  And an issue for folks since 2008-ish.
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12:02.35anddamshould DE menus be the same in all environments? I switched to wmaker and menus are different than from xfce/lxde sessions, namely I don't find third party desktop launcher I installed like Telegram
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12:03.42inframarenevyn: Yup, have that - I'm on sid/stretch
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12:05.29inframarenevyn: I can communicate with the device, read properties etc.. just not actually get it to move the pointer :?
12:05.40anddamalso how do I check a deb package version?
12:05.53jellyanddam: dpkg -s packagename
12:05.58jellyor -l
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12:07.05anddamjelly: ?
12:07.09anddamit's not an installed package
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12:07.24anddamI downloaded a foo.deb file and I'd like to figure what version it is
12:07.48anddamin fact both -s and -l give a dpkg-query error
12:08.25anddamI extracted it as --fsys-tarfile but it doesn't contain meta information
12:09.02jellyanddam: ah, -I then.  man dpkg-deb
12:09.17anddamit's the viber linux client btw, I have one and I wanted to check if the one provided on website is more up-to-date since they're so good at web they don't put the version number on the download page
12:09.25anddamjelly: ah thanks, I'm always lost in apt/dpkg
12:09.58anddamI mean I don't know what component does what and I don't even know how to track the info I need, if not by googling/asking
12:10.05Shadow_7SM0TVI: any chance of other systems to try that thing out on to see if it's motherboard/ bios related.  Otherwise you might need to parition that drive the mac/wd way.  http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/UM/ENG/2779-800001.pdf
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12:11.26SM0TVIShadow_7: It isn't a black. It's a Caviar Black. Plain SATA.
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12:15.12Shadow_7SM0TVI: still might need an MBR parition scheme.  Is mostly what I'm hinting at.  # parted && print all && quit
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12:17.37Shadow_7SM0TVI: aka ... Partition Table: msdos ... vs ... Partition Table: gpt
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12:17.46SM0TVI1 1049kB 984GB 984GB primary ext4 boot
12:17.59SM0TVImsdos part table.
12:18.38SM0TVIHmm, should "Disk Flags:" be empty for a boot drive?
12:19.13Shadow_7it's not empty, just content not on the same line
12:19.38Shadow_7others no Flags set in my system(s)
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12:20.25Shadow_7although parted griped about /dev/mmcblk0rpmb with my old hp stream on msdos partitioning.  No gripes on the new one with gpt
12:20.30SM0TVILine after "Partition Table:"?
12:20.34Savemech<PROTECTED>
12:21.13Shadow_7Savemech: firewall blocking the response?  aka NEW -j drop
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12:21.58SavemechShadow_7, iptables disabled
12:22.20Shadow_7Savemech: # iptables-save
12:22.49Shadow_7which just outputs the data, doesn't save it unless you pipe it.  firewalld can get in the way at times
12:23.27ksx4systemShadow_7, do you know some lighter replacement of networkmanager (but not self made script lol)?
12:23.30SavemechShadow_7, its disabled, systemctl tell me firewalld is dead
12:23.34Shadow_7Savemech: otherwise could be a routing issue
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12:24.16Shadow_7ksx4system: wpa_passphrase and wpa_supplicant is what I use.  plus dhclient.  But basically self made script (a short one)
12:24.18SM0TVIShadow_7: Hmm, would disk_set pmbr_boot to on be something to try?
12:25.06Shadow_7SM0TVI: try GPT versus MBR really are the only options.  It doesn't seem to like your current option.  (or mine on the old hp)
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12:25.32SavemechShadow_7, hmm that strange, i have diff routes on this box :O   thanks
12:26.51Shadow_7ksx4system: it's not that much of a script per say.  ... wpa_passphrase <ESSID> <PASSWORD> | tee wpa.conf ... wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -Dnl80211,wext -cwpa.conf ... dhclient -4 -v wlan0
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12:27.21Shadow_7ksx4system: should save about 100MB in RAM usage
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12:28.35Shadow_7ksx4system: if you run full drawers down or WEP, you don't even need wpa_supplicant.
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12:31.05Shadow_7ksx4system: just iwconfig wlan0 essid <ESSID> && dhclient -4 -v wlan0 ... there are other more modern ways besides iwconfig
12:32.20Shadow_7ksx4system: and for hotels and such might need to set the ap... iwconfig wlan0 ap <MAC> ... and discovered and rated by signal stregth with ... iwlist wlan0 scanning
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12:33.40Shadow_7which reminds me, I'll be in a hospital later, I should install wireless-tools for those OLD setups and iwconfig.
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12:36.38ksx4systemShadow_7, oh well... then I'll write a script to do this + wvdial when necessary
12:36.58ksx4systemwasn't there a package to display GUI window off bash scripts?
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12:37.53Shadow_7ksx4system: xterm stuff to have a terminal in a gui... xterm, rxvt, ... ... ...
12:38.02ivandksx4system: dialog, xdialog, zenity, ....
12:38.16Shadow_7ksx4system: you can tail -f /var/log/ stuffs to monitor stuff
12:39.03Shadow_7ksx4system: plus those ivand mentioned or old school tk/tcl to have a basic button to push.
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12:39.25Shadow_7(stupid tablets)
12:39.38Shadow_7like a mouse with only one button (stupid apple)
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12:44.20ksx4systemShadow_7, that dmenu thing (now I don't know how I lived without it) + wifiscript [enter]
12:46.30Shadow_7ksx4system: and then there's dwm which is what dmenu was meant to work with if you want to save even more ram / cpu cycles.
12:47.02Shadow_7although I don't like tiling wm's (dwm can be changed, but defaults to tiling).  So I use cwm
12:47.19Shadow_73x's the lines of code, but more my jam
12:48.18Shadow_7Throw in some wmctrl to resize and move windows that don't conform to traditional ways and life is good.
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12:49.19sileniohi
12:50.03markybobsilenio, stop repeating yourself
12:50.22sileniook markybob sorry
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12:50.59sileniook markybob sorry
12:51.29Shadow_7Must be a microsoft keyboard with a broken enter key
12:51.48Shadow_7I mean feature rich enter key
12:52.00sileniohow are u guys ?
12:52.01sileniohow are u guys ?
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12:52.02sileniohow are u guys ?
12:52.29markybobsilenio, we were okay until you started flooding the channel
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12:52.44babilensilenio: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with?
12:52.56teraflopsNah another one to the ignore. #Debian is a troll magnet
12:53.49silenioyes, i have installed the firmware needed for my broadcom wifi card but the hardware led buttons don't work according
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12:54.03silenioto the network state
12:54.09sileniohow can i fixed it ?
12:54.16Irulan1Hello.
12:54.25markybobsilenio, the wifi works but not the led?
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12:54.38sileniothe led is perma red even if the network manager work
12:54.38roeniemdadm won't let me stop an array: mdadm --stop /dev/md127: Cannot get exclusive access. But the array is not even mounted...
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12:55.02roenie(mount | grep md127 returns nothing)
12:55.04silenioif the network work the led shoud be blue
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12:55.35markybobsilenio, answer the question if you're going to spam the channel
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12:56.03Irulan1I'm trying to migrate a Xen host from a jessie with xen 4.1 (was wheezy), to a new, jessie with xen 4.4 host
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12:56.31Irulan1I've dd'ed the disks, and some VM works while others hangs
12:56.43silenioi answered man are u retarded or something ? the led work, only it is always red even if the wifi-network is enabled
12:56.43Irulan1like this : http://paste.debian.net/359990/
12:57.01markybobsilenio, yes i'm retarded.
12:57.56jellysilenio: which debian release are you using and which kernel?  put output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "dpkg -l firmware-\* linux-image-$(uname -r)" and "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin
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12:59.23spm_dragetAre there any plan on including php7 in testing?
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13:00.02welpoI need some help removing a package. apt-get remove and aptitude and dpkg -r all fail. I get exit status 128. The package is 'xserver-xorg-video-nvidia'. Any ideas on what I can try?
13:01.00Irulan1I guess it's related to vcpu number
13:01.21Mathisenwelpo, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=113077
13:01.27markybobwelpo, use --force-all with dpkg
13:02.15welpodidn't work, markybob (same error). checking out the forum thread now
13:02.24Shadow_7welpo: not recommended, but ...where * is tab complete... dpkg --purge --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-video-nvidia*.deb
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13:04.29jellymarkybob: I have honestly never needed --force-all with dpkg in my 18 years of using debian
13:04.51markybobjelly, great. i have. sid
13:05.09markybobjelly, it exists for a reason
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13:05.16SavemechAny ideas?  https://bpaste.net/show/d5e44d35f875
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13:05.21jellywelpo: show the full command and complete output of your removal attempt, in a pastebin
13:05.58jellymarkybob: but we're not dealing with sid here these days
13:06.40jellyShadow_7: dpkg --purge takes a package name as parameter, not a package file or file path
13:06.57markybobjelly, how do you know that?
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13:07.32odigemhi
13:07.34jellymarkybob: because we point the users of testing or unstable to a different channel, and everyone reads the topic... oh
13:07.43odigemhow to install uwsgi2.0 to debiain 7?
13:07.43markybobyeah :P
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13:15.25markybobodigem, you don't. there's no backport. upgrade to jessie and it has 2.0.7
13:15.38welpook, here's the output: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/1fb7f7ec jelly
13:15.44odigemmarkybob: lol, i dnt want upgrade on vps
13:15.46Irulan1actually it's maxvcpu-related
13:16.02markybobodigem, so do a backport yourself. it's not hard.
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13:16.17odigemmarkybob: i dnt want fuck with vps 2 days
13:16.36markybobodigem, 2 days? it'd take like 3 mintues
13:16.52odigemupgrade version 3 min? really?
13:17.19jellywelpo: ok.  Edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-nvidia.postrm script, add "set -x" as a second line, try again.  Show the output and see which command gets run last and breaks.
13:17.21markybobodigem, you said 2. yes it'd take about 3 minutes to do that
13:17.44odigemi dnt know what is backport
13:18.03markybob!tell odigem about ssbp
13:18.03odigemi better find how to setup old uwsgi
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13:18.41markybobodigem, see what the bot messaged you
13:20.08odigemmarkybob: i dnt want make it
13:20.51markybobodigem, you don't have to build it. that's not how backports work. but if you're not willing to read what i've shown you then i'm not willing to help
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13:26.34welpojelly: here it is http://paste.debian.net/plainh/7ce92aef
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13:29.15jellywelpo: ha, you found a bug
13:29.24welpolucky me
13:30.26jellywelpo: you can probably remove or move away /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nouveau.conf  and try to remove the package again
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13:32.03welponice
13:32.57welpoit worked, jelly, thanks <3
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13:34.22jellyyou're welcome!
13:35.00inframareAnyone here managed to get a MS Wireless Mouse 3600 to work? Not having much luck via gatttool/hciconf le*
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13:35.33Shadow_7inframare: tried bluez?  (as previously mentioned by another)
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13:35.48inframareShadow_7: Yup, no dice :(
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13:36.14blindI didn't get that one working but I recently got the MS Arc Touch mouse, bluetooth, works great..
13:36.19Shadow_7inframare: check dmesg for any firmware issues with the receiver?
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13:36.43inframareblind: Did you have to jump through any hoops to get it working?
13:36.58inframareShadow_7: I do have one odd message..
13:37.14blindNo.. just installed the bluetooth packages and then paired it up. it auto-connects every time it turns on just like expected and works fine.
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13:37.44inframareblind: Ah, is that a BT 4 low energy device as well?
13:37.57blindProbably, it's supposed to be fancy I think..
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13:38.31blindyeah just pulled it up, it is "Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy Compatible"
13:39.07inframareblind: Umm, well I'm a bit stumped.. I'll dig out that kernel message (once I learn some journalctl lol) and look into that
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13:40.01blindAre you not able to pair with the mouse, connect to it, or see it at all?
13:41.55inframareblind: I can see it under the gnome bluetooth gui, but it refuses to connect. I've managed to get it connected and paired with a bit of playing around with gatttool and hciconf, but even then it doesn't actually function as a mouse
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13:43.53inframareAh crap, are journal messages not retained between boots?
13:44.25jellyinframare: only if you create /var/log/journald (it's not there by default)
13:44.29inframareI've just come back from too many years on FreeBSD, systemd is a huge and unknown beast lol!
13:44.35inframarejelly: Ah doh, cheers :)
13:45.26jellyinframare: sorry, typo. drwxr-sr-x+ 3 root systemd-journal 4096 Jul 12  2014 /var/log/journal
13:45.52inframarejelly: ah, thanks!
13:46.11Aronehow i can execute a script before shutdown ? with the update.rcd ?
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13:47.15inframareblind: Which kernel are you on with that mouse?
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13:48.56inframareblind: I noticed a few people having issues with bt4 LE on >= 4.2
13:50.39inframareblind: oops, that was gatttool, hcitool, and bluetoothctl I managed to get it connected and paired with
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13:52.48inframareblind: If you see this later, please could you PM me your kernel version? Thanks :)
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13:54.04blindinframare: ah I'm only on 3.16.0.4
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13:56.20Shadow_7debians 3.16 has quite a few things patched from upstream.  I used to need a 3.19 kernel for my touchpad, now works out of the box.  Still need github sources and firmware for the wifi.  But it does work out of the box, for the first 24 hours.  Then needs to be down/up'd at the kernel module level once an hour-ish
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13:58.36Arone....?
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13:59.11roenieafter reboot, instead of adding /dev/sdi1 to /dev/md3 as normal, a new /dev/md127 array was automatically created for it. Why does that happen and how do I stop that behaviour, because now I cannot re-add that drive to /dev/md3 because it's "busy" (it is definitely not!) in /dev/md127 and I cannot stop /dev/md127 because it is "busy" according to mdadm --stop /dev/md127, ... mount | grep md127 = nothing there, lsof | grep md127 nothing,
13:59.11roeniefuser nothing. It's not in use period.
13:59.44Tichoperhaps it's in use in lvm?
13:59.50roenieno lvm active on my system
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14:00.18roenienot that I remember anyway, how do i double check?
14:00.33Tichotry commands like pvs, lvs, vgs
14:00.50roeniethose commands do not exist
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14:03.24iresfhow can i use asterisk without Elastic on Debian ?
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14:03.39iresfcan I use it without Elastic ?
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14:04.33jfgodfreyabrotman: If you're here right now, I can access my logs, as I'm running a jessie live disk.
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14:05.02jfgodfreyI didn't see much of anything in either syslog or user.log.  Any ideas where else i should be looking?
14:05.40inframareblind, Shadow_7: I've only tried this with 4.3 (sid) and 4.3 liquorix so far.. I'll give 3.16 a whirl this evening, many thanks to you both :)
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14:07.17Shadow_7iresf: Idk what elastic is, but you could apt-get source them and change compile options.
14:09.22iresfshadow_7 : i have installed asterisk on debian but i can not find asterisk ip on debian  how can i find asterisk ip ?
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14:13.50jfgodfreywhere would information be logged as to why a user and why root are unable to login?
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14:14.28Shadow_7iresf: no ideal what asterisk ip is... http://voipfreak.net/how-to-install-asterisk-on-debian/
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14:15.18Shadow_7iresf: seems like version 13 is current.  And there's voip / sips packages in debian.  $ apt-cache search --names-only asterisk
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14:18.13Shadow_7jfgodfrey: /var/log/auth.log ?
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14:18.28asarch,kernel
14:18.29juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-rc6-686-pae (4.4~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-5); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-2); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u1)
14:18.36jfgodfreyShadow_7: I'll look again.  it didn't really say much.
14:19.15anddamhow does notification area in xfce work, that is how do applications register to it? is it following some standard (like freedesktop, relying on dbus or so)?
14:19.50jfgodfreyI guess the big thing, in regard to restoring permissions back to a good working state, is that slapd is unable to start at present, and that's why user can't authenticate.
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14:20.23Shadow_7jfgodfrey: you could chroot and run passwd to change things locally.
14:20.54Shadow_7not really sure how things work if authentication is network driven though
14:21.36jfgodfreyit's not for root anyway.
14:22.08jfgodfreyShadow_7: Did you follow any of the discussion from last night about this?
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14:23.23Shadow_7jfgodfrey: probably not and don't log IRC to grep it
14:23.36Shadow_7I should probably learn more about irssi someday
14:23.36jfgodfreyI'm just wondering about the method of reinstalling everything, to try and restore permissions and owners to what they should be.
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14:23.58Shadow_7jfgodfrey: if you're at that state, a fresh install might better suit
14:24.00jfgodfreyShadow_7: those logs have certainly helped me from time to time.
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14:24.27jfgodfreyShadow_7: what irc client are you using?
14:25.06TichoJguy: what's worse, I often find myself worrying about not being able to log what I talk about with friends in person, so I can't look it up later :)
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14:25.44Shadow_7jfgodfrey: irssi
14:26.39Shadow_7jfgodfrey: you could awk the dpkg -l output and apt-get install --reinstall the items one by one
14:26.52c0m0How can I find the fcid of one hba? using AIX i use this command fcstat fcs0 | grep ID
14:26.55Shadow_7jfgodfrey: but still probably better to just do a fresh install
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14:27.22Shadow_7jfgodfrey: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections can help restore your install base.
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14:28.16Tichoc0m0: look in /sys/class/fc_host/host*/port_name
14:28.49c0m0Ticho: that is the wwpn, is not fcid
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14:30.15SavemechGuys i have strange "bug" or something, any ideas?  https://bpaste.net/show/d5e44d35f875
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14:31.19Tichoc0m0: fabric_name, then?
14:31.49c0m0let me try with fabric_name
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14:32.41jfgodfreyThere's this, from a website i'm looking at: dpkg --get-selections \* | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -l1 aptitude reinstall
14:32.53jfgodfreyShadow_7: how do you think that would work?
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14:33.32jfgodfreyOf course, I have to be able to login as root, or sudo in order to run that.
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14:33.45jeddijfgodfrey: reinstall properly / fully ... it's much easier in the long term.
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14:34.09c0m0Ticho: that's the ID of the fabric, I have two fabric and every fabric I have a switch
14:34.34jeddijfgodfrey: and before you re-build your system, look at saltstack (or chef, puppet, ansible, etc) and start to manage your system(s) via a configuration management tool ... so that re-installing isn't a major nightmare.
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14:38.01Tichoc0m0: third time's the charm - do you mean the port id you get after a flogi ? that would be port_id in the same sysfs directory, I think
14:38.03karlpincjeddi: Why re-install?  Sure, management tools are great but for a single or a few systems not really necessary.  So long as you have backups anyway.  :-)
14:38.39karlpincjeddi: (Not why re-install in this case, but why re-install once the system is working right.)
14:38.39c0m0Ticho: Yes, I mean that
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14:40.25jfgodfreyjeddi: When you say reinstall, what exactly do you mean?  A fresh, new install?  Or is doing this with dpkg enough?
14:41.28c0m0Ticho: Yes, That works, sorry for the confusion, But in SAN the name is fcid and in AIX the name is fcid too, thanks anyway :)
14:41.31jfgodfreykarlpinc: What would you recommend?
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14:42.27Tichoc0m0: well, on linux it is different, and if I recall correctly, on hp-ux, it is different still :)
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14:43.40karlpincjfgodfrey: I've not been following the discussion.  But my guess is that you're probably better off re-installing from scratch.
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14:44.42karlpincjfgodfrey: The nice thing about debian is that it upgrades, if you follow the upgrade instructions. So after the initial install you don't need to do another.
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14:45.09quuxhello
14:45.17quuxWhere can I get the firmware file? bcm43xx
14:45.37jelly!bcm43xx
14:45.38quuxdebian installer says it'll find and use it if I put it on a USB drive, but I don't know where to get that file
14:45.38dpkgb43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips.  Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide.  http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx  #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.  For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>.  For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>.
14:45.54jfgodfreykarlpinc: I had no trouble going from squeeze to wheezy as an upgrade, but from wheezy to jessie, things got messed up, probably by me.
14:46.11quuxI have found this link when I was searching for the firmware file: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
14:46.13karlpincjfgodfrey: Did you follow the instructions in the release notes?
14:46.17quuxbut i still don't know where it is
14:46.24jellydpkg, tell quux about b43-fwcutter
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14:46.28jellydpkg, tell quux about non-free sources
14:46.35quuxdo you think you could give me the actual link
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14:46.58karlpincquux: You don't download directly, use apt (apt-get, aptitude, or the like.)
14:47.08jfgodfreykarlpinc: yes.
14:47.17quuxoh okay, I used to download it directly
14:47.21jfgodfreyIs there such a thing as a reinstall?
14:47.21karlpincjfgodfrey: Where did it go wrong?
14:47.33jellyquux: I've never used b43-fwcutter, sorry.  You're probably supposed to use a wired connection, then use that tool after installation.
14:47.43quuxok thanks ill try it out
14:47.47karlpincjfgodfrey: There's the <aptitude clone> factoid.  /msg the dpkg bot.
14:47.49quuxseems like the file used to be online but vanished
14:48.09jfgodfreykarlpinc: In my not mounting /var as it's own partition at the upgrade, then trying to make it such, afterwards.
14:48.40karlpincjfgodfrey: So the upgrade worked, but then you broke your system?   (And you don't have a backup?)
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14:50.23jfgodfreykarlpinc: I've got backups, but not of the whole system.
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14:50.32jfgodfreyAnd yes, i broke the system.
14:50.40jfgodfreyor at least disabled it.
14:51.09jfgodfreyA problem in trying to restore permissions, is, I think, the /afs directory.
14:51.39jfgodfreyThat's a whole bunch of cells, including my own, that of course, can't have their permissions changed.
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14:51.55jfgodfreyand it trys to go deep to do it.
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14:52.26jfgodfreykarlpinc: Here's the link, and Method 2, that I did: https://matoski.com/article/debian-restore-var-ownership-permissions/
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14:53.00jfgodfreyI thought of just deleting all references to openafs/afs in the generated shell script.
14:53.11jfgodfreyAnd then rerunning it.
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14:53.29jfgodfreyBut i still have the problem of not being able to authenticate as root, or sudo.
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14:54.11jfgodfreyIf I add a user to sudoers, i always run visudo.  I do have one user (not in openldap yet), that can login.
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14:54.31jfgodfreyis there a way to access the sudoers file directly?
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14:54.51karlpincjfgodfrey: If you have the root password you can use "su -" to become root.
14:55.15jfgodfreyI have it, but none of those things work, when the system is booted.
14:55.26blindI generally just add my user to the sudo group
14:55.41karlpincjfgodfrey: Otherwise, you can boot from install media in rescue mode to be root.
14:55.43jfgodfreykarlpinc: Not su -; not sudo -i; not login: root; password:
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14:56.16jfgodfreykarlpinc: That's what i'll try, even from the grub menu, in rescue mode.  That might work.
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14:56.32jfgodfreyWhat do you think of that script on the webpage i showed?
14:56.49Shadow_7you can boot to single user mode too
14:56.57karlpincblind: The trouble with sudo is that it allows someone without root credentials to be root -- a single non-root password.  So if a user's account is cracked you lose root too.
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14:57.19karlpincjfgodfrey: Yes, grub in rescue might work.
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14:57.56blindIf a user's password is revealed, root is available to whoever has the password.
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14:58.03jfgodfreyOk, I'm gonna reboot into jessie on the machine itself, and see what happens.
14:58.05blindI don't "lose root" if the account is "cracked"
14:58.25jfgodfreykarlpinc: First though, which of the reinstall methods the bot shows would you do?
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14:58.38karlpincblind: If a user's password is revealed and the user has sudo you lose root.
14:58.51blindyou don't "lose root" why do you keep saying that
14:59.20blindbut yeah, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything
14:59.24karlpincblind: It's shorthand for you lose control over the entire system.
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15:00.19karlpincblind: Because sudo is reasonably useless unless you control what commands the user is allowed to execute, which people don't.
15:00.35jfgodfreykarlpinc: That `aptitude reinstall '~i'` looks way too easy.  Would that actually work?
15:00.43blindRight, so instead of using sudo, I just have joe schmo have the root password? which could easily be lost as well?
15:00.45karlpincjfgodfrey: Might.
15:00.55karlpincjfgodfrey: I don't use afs so can't really say.
15:00.57blindOr maybe I only trust root privs to people that won't lose their password
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15:01.09blindOr maybe since I was just talking about a personal system, I'm absolutely fine
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15:02.02karlpincblind: Sure, do as you like.  My point is that user accounts are more exposed to cracking than the root account is, and more likely to be cracked.  So better to have another layer between that and losing your whole system.
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15:02.42jfgodfreykarlpinc: That's why i don't have the user info in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow.  it's in openldap and kerberos.
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15:03.17jfgodfreykarlpinc: What do you think of the method that starts with COLUMNS?
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15:03.30karlpincjfgodfrey: I would expect that re-installing the package would re-establish the proper permissions.  But can't say.
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15:03.52karlpincjfgodfrey: Can't look at the website just now.
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15:06.03karlpincjfgodfrey: I've always found kerberos wonky.  Openldap sounds like a nice solution, but last I looked, years ago, there was no "nice" way to administer the db.  The ldapadd (or whatever) command line tools and the way they expose the ldap db syntax make things hard unless you work with it all the time.
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15:07.01Shadow_7Odd... youtube-dl is doing 142KB/s where normally my ISP caps at 125KB/s on a good day...  I spell... throttling
15:07.23jfgodfreyok thanks for the help guys.  I'm gonna reboot into rescue or single, and see what i can do.
15:07.24CasualLinuxOkey, thought I gonna need some help with installing fglrx but it seems all worked out more nicely and without any error than when I remember installing it on previous stable Debian release. So, have a nice day everyone, going reboot to enjoy graphic card drivers and next - Steam installation!
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15:07.43karlpincjfgodfrey: I'd like to know of any nice ldap admin tool.
15:09.16jeddikarlpinc:  oh - jfgodfrey's gone - but , yeah, my experience is that if you've munged permissions / ownership of various important files ... and you don't have a record of precisely what changes were made .. then you're better off doing a re-install, otherwise you're battling weird, annoying, hard to track down little bugs for months.
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15:09.34Shadow_7I spell badly, that was supposed to be I smell
15:09.51zafuhi, has anyone noticed iceweasel above 40.0.3-3 hangs indefinitely ?
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15:10.38Shadow_7zafu: not just that one if you have flash installed.  It's why I love cwm... Control + Alt + X == xkill
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15:11.21Shadow_7Although mostly hangs because they don't fit in 2GB or less RAM now.
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15:14.07ScriptonautHey guys, I am trying to add fonts, and I noticed in Jessie the font config file is in ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.d. However, I'm looking at my /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, and it doesn't point to that file, it points to ~/.fonts. I have powerline font definitions in ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.d. Powerline seems to be working fine, but I'd like to try Meslo font. I thought ~/.fonts wast deprecated? How can I m
15:14.13Scriptonautake it look at my ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.d file?
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15:16.08Shadow_7Scriptonaut: add via package system?
15:16.16Scriptonautadd what?
15:16.43blind~/.fonts.conf.d is depcrecated according to 'man fonts.conf'
15:16.43aptokay, blind
15:16.49blindwoah what did I do
15:16.59Shadow_7Scriptonaut: if you change ~/.fonts content you have to cd .fonts and mkfontscale and mkfontdir and xset fp+ ~/.fonts/ and xset fp rehash and fc-cache -f -v
15:17.01Scriptonautwait, what is supposed to be used then?
15:17.33Shadow_7Each time you start X, unless you configure it at the system level
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15:17.59Scriptonautok, I'll try that
15:18.35Shadow_7retro fonts ftw
15:19.31Shadow_7you only have to do the mkfontscale and mkfontdir when the contents of the directory changes
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15:24.37sipiHello, I got a question, doing semestral project task and I cannot understand which procedure shall I use to compelete it.
15:24.39karlpincblind: I suspect that ~ talks to the "apt" bot, and when you say things to it like "foo is bar" then it remembers that.  So you probably happened to create a new factoid for "apt" by accident called "/.fonts.conf.d".  That's my guess.
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15:24.53sipiYour system must allways redirect you to www.google.com if you try to connect to
15:24.53sipi„web_server“ (e.g., ping web_server, must actually ping www.google.com etc/hosts)
15:25.05blindone can only hope.
15:26.16sipiWould anyone be so kind to suggest me a procedure how to achieve that?
15:26.49jellysipi: this isn't really the right channel to get homework help, but have a free hint: do you know how DNS works?
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15:27.15karlpinc(I'd start by asking the best looking member of the opposite sex in the class for help.)
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15:27.37sipihaha
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15:33.49ScriptonautI downloaded powerline fonts and ran install.sh. Terminus is one of the listed fonts there, however when I do fc-list it's not listed, any clue? I got it from here: https://github.com/powerline/fonts
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15:34.16Scriptonautthe others seem to be there
15:34.55milwaukeehi everyone, has anyone had trouble installing stretch via netinstall recently? The installer keeps failing reporting that 'select and install software' failed.
15:35.11milwaukeelooking through the logs, there seems to be some breakage with the perl-modules package
15:36.44jellysipi: but really you seem to have half of a possible answer in your question already
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15:37.29sipijelly: yay /etc/hosts, I dont know if it is enough to redirect 127.0.0.1 to www.google.com or should I somehow webserver address :o
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15:37.52karlpincjelly: Yes.  Good hint.
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15:38.23jelly!tias
15:38.24dpkgTIAS is "Try It And See".
15:38.25_abc_Hello. Can someone please tell what g++ version is in the command line in wheezy? g++ --version output? Thanks.
15:38.31sipihaha
15:38.35sipithanks guys
15:39.09_abc_Anyone please?
15:39.42karlpinc,versions g++
15:39.43juddPackage: g++ on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:5.3.1-1; sid: 4:5.3.1-1; experimental: 4:6-20160101-1
15:40.06karlpinc_abc_: patience
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15:40.07jellysipi: and you can't "redirect" 127.0.0.1 to www.google.com in /etc/hosts, you can only go from some symbolic address (like "www.google.com") to some numeric IP (like "127.0.0.1")
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15:40.27_abc_nice, thanks.
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15:45.11Scriptonautthanks Shadow_7 I got the fonts working
15:45.15Scriptonautusing Terminus
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15:46.32blindScriptonaut: are your unicode characters working?
15:46.34roenieTerminus is a trap!
15:46.52blind°  < like this one
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15:47.44johnfg_Well, i'm in rescue mode, and was able to add myself back in to /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.
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15:48.28zykotick9blind: it's working here, with terminus...
15:48.56blindMine are all messed up.. they were working and then broke :(
15:49.01johnfg_I ran both of the reinstall suggestions; the 2nd first, then the 1st.  All went well, with any download, or checking, but with the first actual attempt at a reinstall of a pkg (I think that's what it is) I got this:
15:49.23johnfg_E: Couldn't configure perl-base:i386, probably a dependency cycle.
15:49.57johnfg_Is there anyway I can solve that for this and every other package?
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15:50.19abrotmanjohnfg_: you made it back ...
15:50.26_abc_Terminus is a planet!
15:50.28_abc_;)
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15:50.49duryhi there channel :-)
15:51.01johnfg_abrotman: I did, with the help of you, karlpinc and Shadow_7
15:51.21abrotmanjohnfg_: all sorted out? or still working on it?
15:51.45johnfg_I may be able to do a regular login and be on the mate desktop
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15:52.05johnfg_ls
15:52.56johnfg_abrotman: weird, the system just flashed `ipw2200: Firmware erro detected. Restarting, but it just kicked me offline for a minute.
15:52.58sipijelly: I have added this line to /etc/hosts : IP     www.google.com      web_server. Do you think it is alright :)?
15:53.05sipipinging works.
15:53.36johnfg_abrotman: I was following the 2nd suggestion, from messaging the bot about reinstall, that starts with COLUMNS.
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15:54.01johnfg_It went fine, up until the error I just posted.  Did you see it?
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15:54.17johnfg_E: Couldn't configure perl-base:i386, probably a dependency cycle.
15:54.25johnfg_abrotman: That's the error.
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15:54.43johnfg_Where what I was trying to do with the reinstall stopped.
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15:54.57Scriptonautblind: yes
15:54.58Scriptonautthey are
15:54.59durya message when startup "the volume "filesystem root" has only 270 MB disk space remaining" how do I solve that
15:55.12CutMeOwnThroatblind, you could say "~forget /.fonts.conf.d" and undo the damage :)
15:55.16ScriptonautI can put the clock icon to my lemonbar :)
15:55.20Scriptonautfinally
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15:55.54duryjust give me a clue
15:56.09johnfg_abrotman: Do you want me to show you the command I ran?
15:56.27abrotmanjohnfg_: dpkg --configure -a ?
15:57.23Anonymous287hello
15:57.31johnfg_abrotman: did you look at the second suggestion in the reinstall msg from the bot?  The one starting with COLUMNS?
15:57.39CutMeOwnThroatdury, delete stuff? well, first check how big supposedly / is with df and then look with du or gdmap what's taking up space
15:57.42abrotmanNo?
15:57.52johnfg_abrotman: how would I add the --configure -a to that?
15:58.03abrotmanjohnfg_: just type that at the console
15:58.08abrotmandpkg --configure -a
15:58.08dpkgabrotman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
15:58.12abrotmandpkg: sometimes
15:58.12dpkgabrotman: I don't know, could you explain it?
15:58.19abrotmandpkg: I could, but I don't think you'd get it
15:58.19dpkgi haven't a clue, abrotman
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15:58.37johnfg_abrotman: Ok, I'm gonna have to /quit irssi, as in rescue mode, I only have access to one tty.
15:58.40CutMeOwnThroatya know, abrotman, you could play with the bot in a /query
15:58.48johnfg_Before I go, any way to get another tty?
15:58.53abrotmanjohnfg_: oh okay
15:59.00abrotmanjohnfg_: try "screen" if you know how to use it
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15:59.16johnfg_abrotman: i used to, now I'm a tmux guy :-)
15:59.29abrotmanor see what busybox has
16:00.04Anonymous287i m looking about cobalt strike 2.5
16:00.44CutMeOwnThroatdury, you can use paste.debian.net
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16:01.46johnfg_abrotman: Nope, than cmd didn't do it, it still stopped at the same place, i.e., the aptitude reinstall '~i'
16:01.57johnfg_And I'm in tmux.  Good call.
16:02.20abrotmanjohnfg_: what's the output of "dpkg --configure -a" ?
16:02.50durygessss I'm in bad position I mean my body huts in the position I am gesssss
16:03.05duryhuts = hurts
16:03.07johnfg_abrotman: nothing.
16:03.41johnfg_I'm gonna have to go out of tmux, and start it up as root.  I had done a su - user, and now I can't sudo, or su -.
16:03.45johnfg_Be right back...
16:03.49CutMeOwnThroatdury, that is http://paste.debian.net/
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16:05.13johnfg_abrotman: Yeah, nothing in that output: `dpkg  --configure -a` right?
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16:05.47abrotmanjohnfg_: and still permijssions are broken
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16:06.10abrotman?
16:06.29johnfg_abrotman: Is that what that error message meant/means?  about the dependency cycle?
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16:06.56duryCutMeOwnThroat: you want result of df -h?
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16:08.52johnfg_abrotman: Did I answer your question?
16:09.13CutMeOwnThroatdury, well... I actually thought, *you* would look at it :)  should be pretty straight-forward in telling you if really / is full or not...
16:11.02duryCutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/360145
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16:11.52johnfg_How to fix this error: E: Couldn't configure perl base:i386, probably a dependency cycle ?
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16:12.28duryCutMeOwnThroat: in /home there is lot of space
16:12.57CutMeOwnThroatright, but for the system, you only gave it 10GB
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16:13.52CutMeOwnThroatI either don't separate /home from / at all... or I give / 50GB
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16:14.51jellyjohnfg_: show the command you ran and the complete output
16:15.15johnfg_jelly: ok
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16:15.17CutMeOwnThroatdury, is this a desktop?
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16:15.29CutMeOwnThroatalso... is it recently installed?
16:15.43duryCutMeOwnThroat: you mean 10 GB in / don't you?
16:16.15jellyjohnfg_: it's very likely there are other error messages before it that may be relevant.  Any time you have an dpkg/apt issue, we'll want to see the exact command you issued and its full output.
16:16.16CutMeOwnThroatyes... you only gave the system in / 10G
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16:16.49johnfg_I ran: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install.
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16:16.59asterismohi guys! how to query exact version of mysql in debian 8 jessie?
16:17.37duryCutMeOwnThroat: right I understand /     if is a desktop you mean if I'm using gnome or something?
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16:17.51lotsoftunaWhy is LXDE so chunky stock...
16:18.06centrxasterismo, probably mysql -v
16:18.16centrxasterismo, or dpkg -l |grep mysql
16:19.08johnfg_There's all the output: Reading package lists... Done. Building dependency tree. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1893 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
16:19.31sumi__@asterismo mysql -V
16:20.05CutMeOwnThroatdury, I guess that was a "yes" from you... I meant if this is a desktop system... there are also servers without a gui and without all the typical desktop programs installed
16:20.57johnfg_more to follow: Need to get 0 B/1, 163 MB or archives.  After this operation 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
16:21.13jellyjohnfg_: that output does not contain your E: line
16:21.24johnfg_And the last: E: Couldn't configure perl base:i386, probably a dependency cycle ?
16:21.36duryCutMeOwnThroat: right. using gnome right now apache installed too though
16:21.36johnfg_jelly: without the question mark.
16:21.58johnfg_jelly: I'm slow, because no gpm mouse, and I'm having to switch between screens and type.
16:22.26jellyjohnfg_: ack.  so you're doing some sort of last ditch reinstallation pass at the moment
16:22.43johnfg_And then, abrotman had me run: dpkg --configure -a.
16:22.44CutMeOwnThroatdury, then I am already amazed that you only got by with 10GB... my recently-installed laptop already has close to 20GB... and it has lxde instead of gnome...
16:22.46johnfg_jelly: yes.
16:23.01jellyjohnfg_: and what happens at the dpkg --configure -a ?
16:23.13johnfg_jelly: nothing; no output.
16:23.16CutMeOwnThroatdury, or do you get the error during installing?
16:23.51jellyjohnfg_: ok.  this is a jessie install right?
16:23.53johnfg_jelly: And I get the same error if i try the reinstall with `aptitude reinstall '~i'.
16:23.57johnfg_jelly: yes
16:23.59duryCutMeOwnThroat: not really
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16:25.09duryCutMeOwnThroat: anyway...so how do I perform to solve that then?
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16:25.54jellyjohnfg_: cd /var/cache/apt/archives; ls -ld *perl*5.20.2-3+deb8u1*_i386.deb  ... do you have package files for perl, perl-base and libperl5.20 present?
16:26.24johnfg_jelly: i should, but let me do what you said and see if that works.
16:26.34jellyjohnfg_: if you do, try to install them all at the same time using a single dpkg -i command
16:26.39johnfg_jelly: I say should, because i didn't delete anything or clean anything.
16:27.08jellygood, because it would be hard to download them again while apt is refusing to cooperate
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16:27.27CutMeOwnThroatdepends a bit on what filesystem / has and what the partitions that are not visible in that df are... I guess you could copy the files from /home, delete the /home partition, then grow the / partition and then re-make a /home partition and copy everything back... or you could copy the files from /home (and any other you want to keep) and reinstall the whole system and do the partition as part of that
16:27.45johnfg_jelly: How do you mean?  and do the dpkg i on those files?
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16:29.23jellyjohnfg_: right, dpkg -i perl_...deb perl-base_...deb libperl5.20_....deb
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16:30.13johnfg_jelly: Yup, I do have them and will attemp the dpkg -i for them.
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16:31.18jellyjohnfg_: they should have exact matching versions equal to whatever's current in jessie
16:31.28jelly,v perl --arch i386
16:31.29juddPackage: perl on i386 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u2; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u1; sid: 5.22.1-3; stretch: 5.22.1-3
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16:33.56duryCutMeOwnThroat: reinstall the whole system.... so save stuff that's important for me and start from zero 0 (boot the cd or flash-drive), correct?
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16:34.33johnfg_jelly: Well, it seems to have succeeded, up until processing triggers for man-db, then an error: fopen: Permission denied.
16:34.42jellyblinks
16:34.43johnfg_Should I try the reinstall cmd again?
16:34.59BinBasherhi, any backlight support? Only nv_backlight shows up
16:35.01CutMeOwnThroatdury, well, I would go for deleting /home manually... but as this system seems pretty freshly installed, you may find just reinstalling the whole thing easier?
16:35.37johnfg_jelly: I did try the reinstall cmd again, and it still gives the same error.
16:35.44jellyjohnfg_: see if "apt-get -f install" does the trick instead
16:35.51johnfg_i.e., about the perl-base.
16:35.57jellyorly?
16:35.58johnfg_jelly: I'll give it a try.
16:36.15jellyjohnfg_: do you have curl binary installed?
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16:36.43johnfg_jelly: that apt-get cmd came up with all 0's.
16:36.49johnfg_jelly: I'll see.
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16:37.20johnfg_jelly: I do now :-)
16:37.23duryCutMeOwnThroat: well... it takes more time... I see better your first option though!
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16:38.10johnfg_jelly: Except for that same error with man-db, fopen: Permission denied.
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16:39.01lotsoftunaHow come I can't apt-get a package yet it's listed on the debian site?
16:39.02CutMeOwnThroatdury, it really depends on you and the system and everything... the df shows sdb5, sdb9 and sdb11 ... so seems to me that there are more partitions that df doesn't show. i.e. sdb[6-8,9,10]... I'd say also depends on what they actually are
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16:39.23blindlotsoftuna: what package? When's the last time you did an 'apt-get update' ?
16:40.04CutMeOwnThroatdury, you can see them with fdisk -l /dev/sdb ... one is probably swap... but for the rest, only you can know what they are
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16:40.18johnfg_jelly: Did you  want me to get something with curl?
16:40.36glongoquestion: xrand --listproviders returns 0, how is it possible?
16:40.55glongo*xrandr
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16:41.31lotsoftunablind: I fixed it, there was no repository set that had it
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16:41.42lotsoftunajust the cdrom repo and security for some reason... this is a stock install
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16:41.51lotsoftunaI don't mind lxde, but it's just... it looks :/
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16:42.00lotsoftunaI'm hoping I can make it look a bit more sleek
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16:42.58jellyjohnfg_: making you able to pastebin stuff.  you're inside screen?  in the screen where you're running root commands, do Ctrl-a H (capital H).  screen should say it opened a log file called something like "screenlog.1".  then do the reinstall command, there.  Then from a different screen you can do: cat /path/to/screenlog.1 | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
16:43.31johnfg_jelly: inside *tmux*!
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16:43.48jellyyou'll have to figure out how tmux does logging then :-)
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16:44.55duryCutMeOwnThroat: so if I decide to start from zero  it will be better all the space for / not having /home and so on, correct?
16:45.01jellyjohnfg_: or just use the script command
16:46.03johnfg_jelly: Did you think that there's something that i wasn't able to show you from the reinstall cmds' output?
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16:47.52CutMeOwnThroatdury, as always, that depends... it will be better in that regard, that you cannot have space free in one and not in the other... it will make re-installing the system while leaving /home untouched impossible...
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16:49.14jellyjohnfg_: yes, want to see your dpkg -l perl perl-base libperl5.20
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16:49.25no_gravityHello! Is there a reason the option part in man pages is called [OPTION] and not [OPTIONS]?
16:50.11jellyno_gravity: which man pages?  "man man" has OPTIONS
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16:50.26no_gravity"man ls" for example
16:50.29no_gravityor "man wget"
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16:50.46johnfg_jelly: you had me do dpkg -i with the actual files before, right?
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16:50.58karlpincno_gravity: That would be because the ... makes it plural.
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16:51.06jellyjohnfg_: yes, now I want to see their statuses
16:51.11no_gravitykarlpinc: "..."?
16:51.29jellyno_gravity: oh, you're talking about the synopsis syntax
16:51.32karlpincno_gravity: "ls [OPTION]..."
16:52.07duryCutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/360185
16:52.12karlpincno_gravity: One option, optional, possibly repeated.
16:52.36no_gravitykarlpinc: ah! you are right.
16:52.38no_gravityjelly: yo
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16:52.58no_gravitywouldnt [OPTIONS] be more elegant?
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16:53.32jellyno_gravity: it would also be incorrect
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16:54.23johnfg_jelly: Look at http://sprunge.us/dfje.  I can't check it, but that should work.
16:54.26donofrio__atworkwhat irc channel is the Matrox room?
16:54.28no_gravityjelly: how so?
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16:55.12johnfg_jelly: was that a good paste?
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16:55.49jellyjohnfg_: yeah
16:56.11jellyjohnfg_: except I don't see dpkg -l perl perl-base libperl5.20 perl-modules, in there
16:56.14milwaukeeis there some wiki entry that documents which packages are included in the 'standard', 'xfce-desktop', 'print-server', etc software sets that you select at install?
16:56.34jellyno_gravity: it may be 0, 1 or more options, separated by whitespace.
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16:57.07centrxmilwaukee, This will tell you how to get it: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel
16:57.11CutMeOwnThroatdury, how much ram does it have?
16:57.18no_gravityjelly: "[OPTION]..." expresses that?
16:57.35jellyno_gravity: [stuff] denotes a single part of the syntax.  A non-mandatory one.
16:57.45CutMeOwnThroat10G?
16:57.53duryCutMeOwnThroat: 8GB -  ram
16:57.53jellyno_gravity: ... denotes the previous item may be repeated.
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16:58.16duryCutMeOwnThroat: you mean the pc?
16:58.19no_gravityjelly: i see
16:58.22CutMeOwnThroatyeah
16:58.33no_gravityjelly: but where is the "seperated by whitespace"?
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16:58.42jellyno_gravity: it's implied :-D
16:58.51CutMeOwnThroatdury, and what does "mount" say?
16:59.01no_gravityjelly: well, then its not more expressive then [OPTIONS]
16:59.36jellyno_gravity: I'd read [OPTIONS] as requiring either no, or 2+ options.
16:59.50duryCutMeOwnThroat: how do I know that mount you mention?
16:59.52blindputs his face in his hands, sobs gently
17:00.13CutMeOwnThroatdury, the command "mount"
17:00.25CutMeOwnThroathands blind a hanky
17:00.48no_gravityjelly: that must be the reason jay-z said "i got 99 problems but a bitch aint one"
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17:01.21johnfg_That's weird, that was the last command i ran.
17:01.41karlpincmilwaukee: Don't need a wiki entry: tasksel --task-packages xfce-desktop shows what the xfce-desktop option installs.  (Which is just a package, so you need something like "aptitude show  task-xfce-desktop" to show the dependencies.)
17:01.50no_gravityjelly: "man bash" has "[OPTIONS]"
17:01.51jellyjohnfg_: sprunge probably has a length limit then, I got most (but not all) of that ls
17:01.59jellyno_gravity: bash sucks!
17:02.02no_gravity"man kill" too
17:02.14no_gravityalso "man firefox"
17:02.19jellyno_gravity: dpkg has [option...]
17:02.28milwaukeecentrx: thanks, found what i was looking for
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17:02.59no_gravity"man vim" has "[OPTIONS]"!!!
17:03.01duryCutMeOwnThroat: mount says that > http://paste.debian.net/360199
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17:03.13milwaukeekarlpinc: yeah that's actually exactly what i was looking for, ended up with just a base system and wanted to get a desktop installed. Thanks!
17:03.19CutMeOwnThroatare you just arguing over a single plural-"S" for 10 minutes now?
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17:03.55karlpincmilwaukee: I always install a minimal system and then add what I want.  The "tasksel" program will install whole gobs of stuff at any point.
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17:04.03jellyno_gravity: you've now learned a thing about consistency in man pages on linux.
17:04.04no_gravityCutMeOwnThroat: yeah. i suspect the problem is not the S. it's in our unclear definition of value: https://xkcd.com/309/
17:04.26duryCutMeOwnThroat: what's that, what you mean?
17:04.37karlpincno_gravity: It's a token, it's not bound so has no value.
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17:05.38johnfg_jelly: Look at http://sprunge.us/IYJZ.  I can't check it, but that should work.
17:05.44CutMeOwnThroatno_gravity, THE S IS WITHOUT GUILT!
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17:06.15johnfg_jelly: does that show it?
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17:06.55no_gravityCutMeOwnThroat: well, i am going with [OPTIONS] now.
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17:07.10CutMeOwnThroatbetter than running out of options on what to do
17:07.10duryCutMeOwnThroat: you were talking with another person sorry
17:07.18jellyjohnfg_: they're all ^ii (installed properly).  Not sure what apt's deal is.
17:07.26BinBasherbumping for the backlight question
17:07.33johnfg_jelly: Any ideas for a workaround?
17:07.37jellyjohnfg_: try not to reinstall those three, see what happens.
17:07.59johnfg_How do I *not* reinstall those 3?
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17:08.26CutMeOwnThroatdury, well, back up your stuff... and hopefully you have gparted installed... you can do "swapoff -a" and then delete the swap partition with gparted and see if you can grow the root partition... (can also see if you can just shrink the /home partition and then move the swap partition around, then regrow)
17:08.37jellyjohnfg_: instead of piping to xargs, redirect to a file.  edit the file and remove package names that you already dealt with.  Then cat that file | xargs apt...
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17:08.50CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, resize2fs
17:08.51dpkgresize2fs is a filesystem resize utility for <ext2>/<ext3>/<ext4>, provided by the e2fsprogs package: man 8 resize2fs.  Growing ext3/ext4 while online requires the resize_inode filesystem feature to be set (only possible during filesystem creation).
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17:09.57CutMeOwnThroatdury, also, ^^^  - seems that not all ext4 filesystems can be grown, depending on how they were made... time to find out
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17:11.47AlifopensrcHey guys any idea how i can change apache from port 8080 to say 9090?
17:12.38CutMeOwnThroatdury, just backup everything just before you start fiddeling
17:12.56CutMeOwnThroatAlifopensrc, edit the config file and restart?
17:13.55brandnewbianI installed the nvidia proprietary drivers on my optimus machine. I then installed bumblebee to enable switching. However, when I run "optirun lspci" i still get the intel card coming up. How can I see if bumblebee is working?
17:14.09Alifopensrc@CutMeOwnThroat Which file would that be? I'm rather confused. I tried editing all files i can find that states listen to port 8080
17:14.19AlifopensrcBut its still futile
17:14.26CutMeOwnThroatAlifopensrc, find it with find /etc/apache* -type f -exec grep :80 {} +
17:14.29karlpincdury, CutMeOwnThroat: I suspect you'll only have difficulty resizing ext4 if you create it as ext2 and then upgraded.
17:14.49CutMeOwnThroatkarlpinc, ah... that'll be fine then
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17:14.52cra1g321brandnewbian, i believe its not recommended to post your question in both #debian channels
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17:15.50markybobAlifopensrc, probably /etc/apache2/ports.conf depending on your config. could also be in one of the sites-enabled
17:15.50Alifopensrc@CutMeOwnThroat Will try that
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17:17.00CutMeOwnThroatAlifopensrc, don't forget to restart apache... changes aren't instantaneous
17:17.01karlpincAlifopensrc: And you need to restart or reload the daemon.
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17:17.21CutMeOwnThroatkarlpinc, ^_^
17:17.29Guest4202Howdy what is the # Debian-german ?
17:17.35markybob!de
17:17.36dpkgDeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
17:17.52Guest4202thx ;)
17:17.58brandnewbiancra1g321: my bad sorry.
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17:18.20BinBasherwhenever I change my actual_brightness file the brightness doesn't change. how do I fix this?
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17:19.45johnfg_jelly: Ok, I've edited those 3 lines out.  What apt-get cmd did you think I should pipe it to?
17:19.53BinBasherI mean in /sys/class/backlight/nv_backlight/actual_brightness
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17:20.31johnfg_jelly: The same?
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17:22.43johnfg_Now it stopped with the same error message for systemd-sysv:i386.
17:23.30stewBinBasher: you have those two backwards, I believe
17:23.41stewBinBasher: you write into brightness, then actual_brightness changes
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17:24.52johnfg_jelly: ?
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17:32.45otyughHey. My datas are on an external drive, but my main one carrying "/" is only of 3,5Go. Debians actually takes 3Go size. Isn't that quite a loooot for a minimal Debian install ? !(
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17:33.14sumi__i'm used to 10go installs
17:33.15otyugh(there is only a few sofware installed)
17:33.23sumi__but then i'm not aiming for lightweight usually.
17:33.35otyughBut I am.
17:33.54sumi__i understood. have you ditched the gui?
17:33.57Guest4202Debian CD insert, then expert button ?
17:34.00otyugh<PROTECTED>
17:34.09sumi__too many packages
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17:34.30otyughit's an old install I don't aim to reinstall everyting, only to clean if I can.
17:34.55BinBasherstew: I'm using my fn keys to do it but nothing happens
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17:36.07CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, tell otyugh about minimal install
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17:36.42nkuttlerotyugh: try debfoster
17:36.51karlpincotyugh: If you do a minimal install I'm sure you'd be under 1G.  But I've not done it in a while.
17:36.52otyughit's not really about minimal install, I already do that. It's just... It inflatted with time.
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17:37.11nkuttlerotyugh: and cruft maybe
17:37.23karlpincotyugh: "aptitude clean" to get rid of the cached downloaded deb files.
17:37.30otyughdid
17:37.38otyugh+I
17:37.50otyughcruft/debfoster, I'll try
17:38.49karlpincotyugh: How old?  If you've upgraded then you can have obsolete packages laying around.  The upgrade guide always says to use the "aptitude" curses interface to remove these.
17:38.49CutMeOwnThroathmm, I wonder if we have another factoid on how to see package sizes in some organized way
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17:39.50wrksxhey there
17:39.55Twirlhey guys, how can i see the amount of files in a directory without wc -l ?
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17:40.20Twirlthere are several million files in the directory it would be really dumb to output every single line and count it
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17:40.29kyle__Maybe stat .
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17:40.50blindTwirl: files=( /your/dir/* ); echo "${#files}"
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17:42.51kyle__blind: That gives me a way off count.  But I like the idea.
17:43.02blindOh it might not include hidden files
17:43.16Twirlblind doesn't work
17:43.31Twirlanyone knows how to count files?
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17:43.33blindIt'll also include directories.
17:43.41Twirlit doesn't work
17:43.45blindlol
17:43.48blindsure it does.
17:43.55Twirlnope
17:44.07blindoh i made a typo :x
17:44.07Twirli just told you it doesnt work same as kyle__
17:44.12blindfiles=( /your/dir/* ); echo "${#files[@]}"
17:44.28kyle__I still think stat is probalby the way to go... still thinking.
17:44.58CutMeOwnThroatwhat's so bad about writing them out for counting?
17:45.08blind"Doesn't work" isn't helpful information Twirl hence my derision with your comments.
17:45.18sumi__bye
17:45.18CutMeOwnThroatlike this, you create one massive variable files
17:45.20karlpincTwirl: What is your actual problem?  wc works fine.  If you want it to be _really_ fast write something in assembly.
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17:45.44Twirlkarlpinc: wc doesn't do what i need
17:45.55Twirli have folders with several millions of files
17:45.56CutMeOwnThroatwhat's wrong with it?
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17:46.00Twirli need just the result
17:46.02blindCutMeOwnThroat: it's an array, and it's all built-in shell stuff rather than calling external utilities.
17:46.16kyle__Twirl: Yes, several million files in it.  What's wrong with it?
17:46.18Twirlnot to stdout the whole 3 million files to my terminal
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17:46.29blindyou don't understand how wc -l works eh?
17:46.33Twirlkyle__: just need one line "12312301923 files" or w/e
17:46.35karlpincTwirl: ls | wc -l
17:46.36CutMeOwnThroatblind, it'll still be one massive array for millions of files... that takes a lot more ram than writing out lines and counting them
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17:46.55Twirlnice that works
17:46.57Twirlty
17:47.07CutMeOwnThroathaha
17:47.11blindwow
17:47.15CutMeOwnThroatkarlpinc, at least ls -1
17:47.39wrksxbut
17:47.45CutMeOwnThroatTwirl, at least ls -1 | wc -l
17:47.49wrksxhe asked for a solution "without wc -l"
17:48.03CutMeOwnThroatit'll still count wrong if there are newlines in the file-names
17:48.14karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: ls always puts 1 line per file when the output is piped.
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17:48.40CutMeOwnThroatkarlpinc, oh, ok... I try to never parse the output of ls :P
17:48.49blindwrksx: because he didn't know what wc -l actually did
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17:48.57karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: Although there might be a problem when file names have newlines in them.
17:49.02blindwrksx: upon conversation, that was discovered and it turned out to be exactly what he wanted.
17:49.10wrksxDamn
17:49.12karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: There's always find -0
17:49.14CutMeOwnThroatkarlpinc, manpage actually doesn't mention that
17:49.18CutMeOwnThroatthere's that
17:49.18kyle__ruby -e "puts Dir.open('.').count"
17:49.42kyle__wait... is my puts extranious there?
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17:49.53kyle__Nah, I'm right.
17:50.03blindI don't know, I just get "ruby: command not found"  :P
17:50.05donofrio__atworkanyone here use http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/gxm/dh2go/analog/ thinking and wondering can you just daisy chain 12 of these for whoa?
17:50.19karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: Yah. the ls man page does not mention it.  But it always has worked that way.  Probably something in posix or something.  Or maybe just backwards compatible with the original ls from 1972.
17:50.21kyle__blind: =o  no ruby!
17:50.30CutMeOwnThroatmakes me wonder... can't find just count files? maybe not the most-used option, but a thing you suspect could /should be there
17:50.58simonlnuwc -l + find ?
17:51.00wrksxCutMeOwnThroat, would makes sense
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17:51.15karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: Gotta figure, the first working ls probably did not collumnate.
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17:51.47kyle__blind: You could do the exact same thing in python I"m sure, but I don't know it off the top of my head.
17:51.49simonlnufind /path -type -f -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l ?
17:52.09simonlnu-type f, typo :)
17:52.16blindsimonlnu: no, just find /path -type f | wc -l
17:52.30CutMeOwnThroatfunny that find can't just count the files... it does so many other things
17:52.38simonlnuassuming no spaces in file names *gasp*
17:52.50blindsimonlnu: wc -l counts lines, so spaces would be fine
17:52.51johnfg_Well, not hearing back from jelly on that last question, i just deleted every pkg that gave the error, and now am doing the apt-get on the rest of them.
17:52.56karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: Oooh.  I know.  ls -d .   Then use cut to get the hard link count, then subtract 2.
17:53.26simonlnutests it
17:53.39CutMeOwnThroatsimonlnu, -print0 will give you a count of 0 if there are no newlines in the filenames
17:53.41johnfg_For some reason, I'm still getting the fopen: Permission denied, concering man-db.
17:53.50CutMeOwnThroatsimonlnu, because wc -l counts newlines
17:55.14simonlnuyes, of course.
17:55.14simonlnuwas being overly cautious
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17:55.47karlpincecho $(( $(ls -ld . | cut -d ' ' -f 2 ) - 2 ))
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17:56.26karlpinc(Although as long as you're going there, may as well rewrite it in assembly.)
17:56.30simonlnuyays at the $() syntax
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17:57.48CutMeOwnThroatblind, your solution is pretty close to the main one presented in the bashfaq... I still think it's not a really good one for millions and millions of files
17:58.25karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: Hey, that's what swap is for.  ;-)
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17:58.30simonlnuxargs would be better, splits up the args
17:58.35CutMeOwnThroatkarlpinc, heh :)
17:58.59donofrio__atworkso I'm guessing no-one here uses maxtrox products these days.....oh well...had to try...
17:59.49wrksxdonofrio__atwork, IS THAT DEBIAN RELATED?
17:59.58wrksxahhah just kiddin
18:00.18CutMeOwnThroatI wonder if a for loop is any better... like: for file in *; do ((i++)); done;echo $i
18:00.30karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: No.
18:00.39wrksxbut why
18:00.41CutMeOwnThroat* is still expanded on by bash
18:00.47CutMeOwnThroatso probably not
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18:01.15karlpincCutMeOwnThroat: Although it is "better" in that the shell will hit some sort of command line size limit and barf instead of sucking ram.
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18:02.45simonlnu*cough* xargs *cough*
18:02.49kyle__donofrio__atwork: I think some servers may still come with matrox integrated graphics.
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18:03.39donofrio__atworkkyle__: I'm asking from a desktop point of view....
18:04.48donofrio__atworkkyle__: wanting to replace the three desktop with one desktop, here is current setup for reference - http://apaste.info/upload/sUr.jpg
18:05.11donofrio__atworkwrksx: yes I run Debian - http://apaste.info/upload/sUr.jpg
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18:05.32wrksxnice desk mate
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18:05.55kyle__donofrio__atwork: Yeah.... cheap boxes use integrated intel amd or via (barf) graphics.
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18:06.31kyle__Anything not cheap, people use nvidia & amd.  Not much call for matrox or trident anymore
18:06.43wrksxI don't like vertical screens
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18:07.04donofrio__atworkwrksx: the web is built for that....pdf's as well... just sayin
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18:07.30jellykyle__: now that entry level nvidia does 3 screens easily, yes
18:07.39CutMeOwnThroatkarlpinc, one probably wants -U for that... and one way to make ls output parsable would be to not display the filename, e.g. only the inode.... there seems to be no option for that, though
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18:08.02wrksxdonofrio__atwork, true.
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18:09.06CutMeOwnThroatbetter even -f, I guess
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18:10.35Scott0_im trying to setup a debian server with apache worker mpm and php5-cgi.  I can't get it to work and I can't find where 'Action application/x-httpd-php /usr/bin/php-cgi' is supposed to go
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18:10.51constantinhi
18:10.53Scott0_I have a server setup like this already and I can't even find it on that one
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18:11.09sanguisdexanyone have a list of mirrors of security.debian.org repos?
18:11.13Scott0_is there another directory aside from /etc/apache2 where apache config files exist?
18:12.00simonlnunot in the default config
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18:12.39Scott0_I know my other server works fine and is setup this way, but I can't identify where I set action or addtype
18:13.40karlpincScott0_: In my experience I just install the apache2 and php5 packages and it works.
18:13.51Scott0_yes prefork will work
18:13.55karlpincScott0_: Although that's not cgi.
18:14.07Scott0_but im looking for apache mpm worker with php-agi
18:14.16Scott0_which installing the packages for those won't automatically work
18:14.44Scott0_I swore maybe there was a lib directory somewhere where I set the addtype
18:15.06karlpincScott0_: You might be helped by the apache2 readme.debian.
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18:15.13karlpinc!tell Scott0_about readme.debian
18:15.25Scott0_didn't work
18:15.54stewScott0_: have you looked at conf.d / mods-enabled / mods-available / sites-enabled / sites-available?
18:16.19Scott0_yes
18:16.29Scott0_and I should clarify im not looking to use fcgi
18:17.27stonedkarlpinc: by defautl it will isntall mod_php5 which is highly recommended against due to terrible performance
18:17.43Scott0_yep
18:18.00blindtouches two million files into existence
18:18.03Scott0_im looking to use mpm worker due to the small memory footprint
18:18.21stonedIf you need a small footprint, you ought to run nginx w/ fcgi
18:18.28stonednevermind apache.
18:18.38markybobScott0_, shouldn't you be looking into nginx, then?
18:18.46Scott0_seems every time I try to install using this method, they change where the config goes and how the install works
18:18.58Scott0_not when im not familiar with nginx
18:19.03Scott0_that's just taking it to the extreme
18:19.18Scott0_apache worker mpm should work fine with php
18:19.20anddamScott0_: who's "they"?
18:19.30markybobScott0_, you probably want /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini
18:19.31Scott0_im guessing the debian package maintainers
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18:19.47Scott0_markybob: you don't set apache directives in that file
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18:20.19stonedI was unfamiliar w/ nginx one day
18:20.27stonedAnd then the next day I was not.
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18:20.47Scott0_I need consistency  and I can't have each server using different packages
18:20.55stoned*nod*
18:21.00Scott0_and im not going to be updating them to nginx currently
18:21.07markybobapparently you're not even familiar with apache so i don't know what the big deal is
18:21.11stonedJust a suggestion since you mentioned you need more memory
18:21.18Scott0_im familiar with apache until it gets changed
18:21.36CutMeOwnThroatblind, so next question is, how you touch 2 million files into existence most efficiently? :P
18:21.40Scott0_and I know #httpd won't help, because they aren't fond of how debian handles things
18:21.41CutMeOwnThroatblind, just so you can count them
18:22.14blindI just did it with a cfor loop. Probably not the most efficient but it's working :p
18:22.20Scott0_is there anywhere else apache uses other than /etc/apache2?
18:22.31stoneddepends.
18:22.34blindbash, I love it, but.. it's not fast.
18:22.44stonedIf you use SSL you can store ssl in/etc/apache/ssl or something
18:22.50Scott0_I should have documented it last time when I got it working
18:22.51Scott0_:(
18:23.03stonedDepends. By default, probably just /etc/apache2 (
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18:23.33stonedI mean it uses the doc root, and probaly wherever said modules in the config are, and what not.
18:23.54stonedI mean yeah, it uses a lot of diff locations.
18:24.11markybobyeah. thus /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini that i mentioned that he said apache didn't touch.
18:24.15Scott0_yeah im familiar wioth those
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18:24.47stonedblind: I'm trying this out: "bash-it"
18:24.50Scott0_I swear I remember something in a /usr/local or /lib location, but it fuzzy and I couldn't find anything there
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18:24.59markybobScott0_, no
18:25.17stonedblind: google it. It's like znc w/ plugins, bash / plugins. They even claim it's shamelessly ripped off from znc.
18:25.24CutMeOwnThroatnot the one that the debian package has installed, except if you changed it
18:25.32stonedThen again, znc out of the box provides more usability then bash w/ completion and whatever
18:26.06anddamScott0_: "im familiar with apache until it gets changed" I doubt debian is patching apache to look for config it's not originally supposed to
18:26.27blindstoned: I've heard of it. I'm not interested :p
18:26.37stonednp
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18:27.10stonedI think I might invest time in to learning zsh
18:27.28blindI have such an aversion to frameworks and stuff like that.
18:27.42stonedO_o
18:27.47stonedI thankfully do not.
18:27.49stoned:)
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18:27.59blindIf anything, I'd use lhunath's bashlib
18:28.04Scott0_anddam: depends on your opinion of where its supposed to be, debian does some pretty non-standard things in the name of making configuration easier
18:28.22hyperboreanim confused...is znc some framework for zsh or a bouncer?
18:28.27stewScott0_: so you installed php5-cgi, then did you a2enmod or a2enconf anything?
18:28.31Scott0_anddam: and I don't do this too often, so it could be a year or two between
18:28.35blindznc is a bouncer.
18:28.45stonedI did worked w/ the debian php group once. My only gripe ever was something unrelated to apache/web. Never really found any issues w/ the folks and their decisions.
18:28.54Scott0_stew: yeah actions and cgid
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18:28.55stonedWhat exactly is bugging you about how debian packages php or apache?
18:29.01blindhyperborean: stoned said znc when he meant zsh earlier
18:29.05anddamScott0_: I never met such changes, so far
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18:29.10stewScott0_: what do you mean?
18:29.13stonedOh, I did? I meant zsh
18:29.15Twirlso, ian is brutally murdered by the police and nobody is going to do anything about it?
18:29.26blindyeah the "out of the box" line
18:29.32anddamTwirl: well, fist thing someone put a note in topic about that
18:29.38stoned:)
18:29.39hyperboreanblind: yes, that what confused me...i never heard of znc so googled and found only the bouncer heh
18:29.41Scott0_ok so #httpd offers no support for anything debian does with apache2
18:29.45stewScott0_: have a look at /etc/apache2/conf-available/php5-cgi.conf
18:29.48stonedhyperborean: my mistake
18:29.56stewScott0_: and not that this file is not enabled by default
18:30.13Scott0_stew: I enabled it and still no dice
18:30.19stewScott0_: enabled it how?
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18:30.21hyperboreanstoned: no worries, found out about a new piece of software through it ;)
18:30.27Scott0_stew: but funny thing is, that's not enabled on my other server where php is working fine
18:30.38Scott0_stew: a2enconf of course
18:30.41blindhyperborean: znc is awesome though :)
18:30.43stewScott0_: did you edit the file?
18:30.50anddamScott0_: IMHO the anaswer is in apache's log, it's not due to debian
18:30.52Scott0_no I didn't
18:30.53anddamanswer*
18:31.03stewScott0_: the directives you are looking for are commented out, right?
18:31.10Scott0_no
18:31.28stew#Action application/x-httpd-php /cgi-bin/php5 <- this?
18:31.38Scott0_this is gettgin confusing to follow more than 1 person on this at a time
18:31.41hyperboreanblind: well, I barely used IRC in the past 10 years. probably will start using it again and then will look for a bouncer hehe. good to know, thank you!
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18:32.00stewi'll stop
18:32.03Scott0_stew: that line does not exist on any enabled conf on my other server
18:32.20Scott0_yet php-cgi works with mpm-worker
18:32.22Scott0_:(
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18:33.08stonedyou can use threaded mpms or NTS preforking
18:33.16stonedeither will work. that's not the issue here.
18:33.33hyperboreanbut speaking of zsh, I tried it once (did not install oh my zsh) and it was very nice but had a quirk i can't remember so I switched back to bash heh
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18:33.39Scott0_im not sure how I got it working on my other servers
18:33.49stewScott0_: so what right now is the problem? you have enabled this config, reloaded apache and ... what? happens that you are not expecting, or what is not happening?
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18:34.16karlpincScott0_: Have you grepped through the entire /etc/apache2/ directory hierarchy?
18:34.21Scott0_ok so if I install apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker php5-cgi  I expect it to work
18:34.28Scott0_and by work, I mean handle php files
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18:34.33markybobScott0_, if you have it working on other servers why not just copy over the config?
18:34.49stewScott0_: it wouldn't, php is not enabled just be installing these packages, you have to enable the configs
18:34.54Scott0_markybob: I compared all the config files and can't find anything different
18:34.55stonedScott0_: work out of the box w/o any other config? That doesn't sound reasonable.
18:35.00markyboba2enmod
18:35.08Scott0_stoned: prefork works out of the box without any other config
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18:35.15Scott0_stoned: how is that unreasonable?
18:35.20stonedIn order to set up Apache to use PHP-CGI on Debian systems, you must enable the mod_actions module
18:35.30Scott0_mod_actions is enabled
18:35.45Scott0_I checked the enabled modules on both servers and they are identical too
18:35.58Scott0_I know this is something small and stupid im overlooking
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18:36.14Scott0_that's typically how it works :)
18:36.40karlpincScott0_: You could diff the startup logs for the 2 servers and compare.
18:37.01karlpincScott0_: Although the timestamps would make this annoying.
18:37.10Scott0_would there be any errors  if it can't handle a php files or would it just handle as text and move on?
18:37.12stonedand you have set your ScriptAlias, AddHandler and Action directives in php5-cgi.conf?
18:37.26markybobScott0_, just text
18:37.36Scott0_stoned: no I haven't, but I can't find those in the existing server
18:37.47Scott0_I have no clue where I put that
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18:38.13hyperboreanScott0_: stupid question, but are the permissions on your www dir correct?
18:38.22stonedScott0_: grep /etc/apache2 recursively for said strings
18:38.35Scott0_hyperborean: im testing with the default directory
18:38.55Tom01How can I make the scroll bars scroll only one page in Gnome?
18:39.04Scott0_stoned: I vaguely remember editing something outside of that directory though
18:39.13stewScott0_: how do you know it isn't working now? "I do xxx and expect yyy but I get zzz"
18:39.32Scott0_stew: I created a php file with hello world
18:39.36Scott0_as the index
18:39.42Scott0_with prefork it works
18:39.59stew"it works" and "it doesn't work" doesn't tell me anything
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18:40.14Scott0_works as in it echos "hello world"
18:40.21Scott0_im not sure what else that could mean
18:40.22stewwhen you do what?
18:40.32Scott0_when I load the page in a browser
18:40.36stewwhat page
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18:40.47Scott0_the default site
18:41.03stewso you go to the browser, go to the address bar and type "the default site"
18:41.09Scott0_...
18:41.18stewwhat do you do?
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18:42.05Scott0_you are familiar with the default site apache2 sets up upon install
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18:42.16Scott0_and im surte you know how to navigate to it in a browser
18:42.25Scott0_so im not sure why I need to explain that to you
18:42.32stewyou don't, nm
18:42.37Scott0_ok then
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18:43.11Scott0_would you like to know what browser im using too?
18:44.43Scott0_I appreciate the attempt to help, but id like to avoid the silly rudimentary and irrelevant questions
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18:45.13Scott0_the default site is configured to work with whatever ip or host is requested using the browser
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18:46.17Scott0_as long as they point to the server in question, which they do
18:46.50Scott0_but I don't see how that is relevant to the apache server handling php files
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18:47.12stonedIjust tested it out
18:47.13stonedFreshly on debian 8.2
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18:48.32Scott0_stoned: worker-mpm with php5-cgi ?
18:48.33CutMeOwnThroatblind, you're not in #debian-offtopic :(
18:48.43blindI am not.
18:48.45Alifopensrc@CutMeOwnThroat Thank you it works!
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18:49.47nyuszika7hhow do I force apt/dpkg to reinstall a package to re-add missing files?
18:49.56stewnyuszika7h: /msg dpkg confmiss
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18:50.42stewnyuszika7h: assuming you mean a conffile, if you mean something that is not a conffile, just "aptitude reinstall pkgname"
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18:51.13nyuszika7hI mean binaries
18:51.15CutMeOwnThroatAlifopensrc, yw
18:51.32stonedinstall apache2, install php5-cgi, a2enmod actions, a2enconf php5-cgi, create /var/www/html/index.php And it shows up http://i.imgur.com/KsxDMAP.png but probalby in my case the php hander is not set correctly.
18:51.45stonedbut yeah, it works, as yuo can see, from minimal steps I took in debian 8.2 stable
18:51.49nyuszika7hI tried upgrading Python with a package I made but messed it up... reinstalling python3 gives some error, sec
18:52.04Scott0_stoned: I get the same, seems my handler isn't setup either
18:52.10stonedok
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18:52.14stonedso that's it?
18:52.19stonedThat's not hard to fix.
18:52.21stonedLet me see.
18:52.32nyuszika7h(lesson learned, I'll just keep the newer version in /usr/local)
18:52.34stonedIt's been 6 years since I used linux and debian
18:52.39stonedSo excuse me if I dont' remember
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18:52.44stonedalso I am a stoned.
18:52.46Scott0_well I can probably set that up on the new server, but id like to fix the old servers if I did that wrong
18:52.49nyuszika7h-bash: /usr/bin/pastebinit: /usr/bin/python3: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
18:52.56nyuszika7hfun, will just use termbin
18:52.58Scott0_I just can't figure out where I set the handler up
18:53.03BinBasherwhy can't the xorg.conf file be created through a graphical terminal?
18:53.14Scott0_stoned: yeah I don't do this but once every few years
18:53.27stonedlookit here/etc/apache2/conf-enabled/php5-cgi.conf
18:53.30Scott0_my original documentation was from debain 6
18:53.34Scott0_debian
18:53.55nyuszika7hhttp://ix.io/nb7
18:53.58Scott0_and I would have to create php5-cgi.conf
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18:54.14Scott0_and a2enconf didn't exist
18:54.17NahUndFernHey guys. What would be the best version of debian to install for someone who is only really familiar with Arch? I'm looking for something minimal
18:54.33BinBasherNahUndFern: debian 8.2 stable
18:55.03Scott0_I believe all the a2en and a2dis commands are unique to debian aren't they?
18:55.07BinBasherNahUndFern: why are you going from Arch to DebianN
18:55.11stewnyuszika7h: that file is actaully in the python3-minimal package
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18:55.47stewnyuszika7h: (I found this with apt-file search py3compile)
18:56.04nyuszika7hreinstalling that then python3 seems to have solved it
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18:56.12zykotick9NahUndFern: i'd further suggest using the netinst image...  you can customize if you want a DE to be installed...  then salt to taste with the packages you want.  best of luck.
18:56.14nkuttlerScott0_: probably. ask in #httpd
18:56.22Scott0_nkuttler: they aren't fond of debian
18:56.30nyuszika7hand yeah I know about apt-file, didn't think about that though, thanks
18:56.34nkuttlerScott0_: i know :) they don't like the packaging
18:56.48Scott0_nkuttler: yep, not  my first time dealing with that
18:56.57Scott0_nkuttler: aren't you the wordpress guy?
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18:57.11nkuttlerScott0_: uh, that's in my past and i'm not proud of it
18:57.13NahUndFernBinBasher, I've run Arch for nearly a year without problems. But I've run into serious problem recently that i have give up on trying to fix.  So I've decided to move to a different distro for now
18:57.15Scott0_LOL
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18:57.24Scott0_I've spoken to you about it before years ago
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18:57.42Scott0_ill speak no more about it :P
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18:59.01NahUndFernzykotick9, Thank you. This may be a dumb question, but does the netinst work wireless? Or do i need to be plugged in with an ethernet cable?
18:59.28stonedScott0_: I'm having to go do something else
18:59.37stonedBut I will check it out more when I have time
18:59.37Scott0_didn't get it working ? :P
18:59.40zykotick9NahUndFern: yes _IF_ you have free driver support for your wireless... if not, then i'd look into the unofficial netinst with firmware included.
18:59.56stonedIt seems that it's just a matter of telling apache to use php5-cgi
19:00.02stonedYou don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/php5/index.php on this server.
19:00.03Scott0_stoned: ill let you know if ic an hunt down the file I did set the handler in
19:00.05stewNahUndFern: the netinst doesn't need network at all, but you'd only get a base system, it will work with wireless or wired, however many wireless drivers need firmware not in debian
19:00.14Scott0_stoned: it is, but I have no clue how I did that the first time
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19:00.23stonedWhen I rename /var/www/html/index.html to index.php and echo something out, i get this error
19:00.27stonedno permission
19:00.30Scott0_odd
19:00.31NahUndFernzykotick9, Ah, yes. I think i remember a long time ago when i tried to use it, it warned me about non free firmware
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19:00.52NahUndFernstew, Oh, okay
19:00.55stonedso I'll handle it in a bit. But yeah, making progress
19:01.08NahUndFernThanks for the advice guys
19:01.16Scott0_stoned: its not as straight-forward as I would have hoped
19:01.24stewNahUndFern: sounds like you'd want the non-free netinst zykotick9 mentions
19:01.28stonedI don't ever use cgi, and I'm out of date by 6 years at least.
19:01.30stonedGive me time.
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19:01.54Scott0_yeah I did that recently, upgraded debian 6 to debian 8 back in august
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19:02.16Scott0_well not upgraded, I migrated
19:02.24centrxScott0_, directly?
19:02.28NahUndFernzykotick9, I'm a little uneasy about installing something non-official. Does this mean it's not tested or anything? Or is it just non official because of the non free firmware involved?
19:02.29Scott0_?
19:02.42Scott0_centrx: moved everything over
19:02.59zykotick9NahUndFern: it's unofficial due to the non-free stuff, yes...
19:03.13hyperboreanNahUndFern: i used it, no worries. it is because of the non-free drivers
19:03.18centrxoh ok
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19:03.39hyperboreanNahUndFern: alternativly just download the driver you need on a usb stick and use official installer
19:04.01karlpinczykotick9: You could also follow the instructions in the install guide, which say how to install non-free firmware with the offical install.  But really, the unofficial installer is fine, and simpler.
19:04.20NahUndFernOh, okay. That sounds pretty good then, I think I'll try the non official one
19:04.42zykotick9karlpinc: i agree 100% - many issues if've seen here in #d involving "how to i get the firmware loaded..." ;)
19:04.48hyperboreanNahUndFern, Scott0_  good luck guys
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19:04.55hyperboreanblind, stoned bye
19:05.32stoned[client ::1:52353] AH01630: client denied by server configuration: /usr/lib/cgi-bin
19:06.00stonedhm.
19:06.13nkuttlerstoned: i assume you have checked /usr/share/doc/<the php cgi package>?
19:06.23stonedNot yet i hadn't
19:06.31nkuttlerthere should be instructions
19:06.37stonedcool
19:06.39stonedthat
19:06.41stoneds helpful
19:07.01NahUndFernzykotick9, That's possible to do while the image is on the USB, right? Or do i need a second one to add the firmware? (I'm sorry for the questions, this will be the last one then i will be off to read the install instructions)
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19:07.56zykotick9NahUndFern: i'm sorry, i have zero experience with loading firmware from installer  (or the unofficial netinst really)...  you'd have to read to doucmentation ;)  best of luck.
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19:08.43NahUndFernzykotick9, Will do now. Thanks for all the advice. I'm off to give it a shot now. Bye
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19:11.06stonedScott0_: zless /usr/share/doc/php5-cgi/README.Debian.gz
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19:12.25stonednkuttler: I did exactly all that anyway, that the documentation suggests.
19:12.32stonedI've a permission issue.
19:12.36nkuttler:|
19:12.39stonedYou don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/php5/index.php on this server.
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19:12.52nkuttlerstoned: which command gives you that error? accessing the site?
19:12.53stonedI don't even really know how cgi requests reallywork.
19:13.02stonednkuttler: yes, /var/www/html/index.php
19:13.10stonedin browser, http://localhost
19:13.15stonedgives error, ye
19:13.36nkuttlerstoned: su to www-data, can you read /cgi-bin/php5/index.php ?
19:13.53nkuttler(or whoever runs the cgi process)
19:14.12greycatI missed the start of this, but PHP is very rarely executed by CGI.
19:14.21Scott0_stoned: where does the error show?
19:14.22nkuttleralso /cgi-bin/ sounds somewhat wrong? that shouldn't be in root
19:14.50stonedgreycat: I use nginx/fastcgi, I'm trying to help this guy get php5-cgi working
19:15.09stonedHe I think said debian was the problem and I think otherwise.
19:15.20Scott0_I didn't
19:15.24stonedWith minimal steps, I got it up. But now just a permission issue.
19:15.26nkuttlerstoned: if you use nginx with fastcgi, why involve apache?
19:15.34Scott0_im using apache
19:15.35stonednkuttler: I just answered that question.
19:15.59stonednkuttler: http://stoned.io (I'm hunky dory. Just trying to help him)
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19:16.49nkuttlerScott0_: are you sure you want cgi? mod php is so much easier to use
19:16.49Scott0_where else can you set addtype?
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19:16.56Scott0_other than the main directories
19:17.11Scott0_nkuttler: prefork is easy to setup
19:17.31nkuttlerScott0_: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_mime.html#addtype
19:17.37nkuttlerobviously also depends on your config
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19:17.51Scott0_I think I may have set that in some non-standard conf somewher
19:18.06stoned[Tue Jan 05 13:17:47.476774 2016] [authz_core:error] [pid 30368] [client ::1:54355] AH01630: client denied by server configuration: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5
19:18.19stonedhere's my apache error log when I try to access http://localhost
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19:18.39nkuttlerstoned: you can probably increase the debug level to get more info
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19:19.25greycatWell, that's clearly Apache authz stuff rather than Unix permissions.
19:19.32nkuttlerbtw, that sounds like an access control thing, not cgi misconfig
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19:19.37nkuttlerright
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19:30.12maidhello how can i select a whole text under nano
19:30.20maidselect all function
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19:31.10blindcan you even select text in nano?
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19:31.19maididk
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19:31.26greycatText selection would be done at the terminal (emulation) level, not by nano itself.  Probably.
19:31.34blindI don't think you can. Are you trying to get the entire file into your clipboard?
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19:31.48maidyeah i need to pastern my apache.conf
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19:32.12maidcopypaste
19:32.13greycatWell, don't do it with nano.
19:32.20maidwith with i can do it
19:32.29jellymaid: paste where?
19:32.38greycatEither cat the file directly to your terminal and then mouse-select it there, or use something designed to send a file to a pastebin.
19:32.55maidpaste to pastebin.org or something
19:32.57blindcurl -F 'sprunge=</path/to/your/apache.conf' http://sprunge.us
19:33.01jelly!pastebinit
19:33.02dpkgpastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>.  NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com.  To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".  See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
19:33.06maid.com sorry
19:33.27blindoh or that I guess. I always like sprunge personally.
19:33.43jellysprunge seems to have a silly low size limit
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19:33.58blindHm, really? I've never hit it.
19:34.01stonedalias sprunge='curl -F "sprunge=<-" http://sprunge.us'
19:34.10stonedMe neither. But I use pastebinit w/ debian anyway
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19:34.23stonedthenjut cat whatever|spruge
19:34.38blindor sprunge < whatever   :p
19:34.55stonedAlso, screw php-cgi
19:34.56greycatThe #bash people suggested sprunge() { tail -n +1 -- "$@" | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us; }
19:35.14greycatWhich has some nice features if you feed it multiple files.
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19:35.37jellywhat does that ; do
19:35.49greycatYou need ; before } in a one-liner function definition.
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19:36.01jellyin bash?  why?
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19:36.06greycatOtherwise you need a newline.
19:36.06stewits needed in bash but not zsh iirc
19:36.12JohnHi all
19:36.28JohnIt seems i cannot SSH into any server after installing Debian locally
19:36.36JohnI get this error: http://pastebin.com/raw/evKnEQqm
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19:36.52greycatwhat the FUCK is wrong with pastebin.com now
19:37.01greycatWhy does it keep saying I have to refresh the page to continue
19:37.07stonedWay too commercial and shit
19:37.12stonedSlow too.
19:37.12stewbecause you haven't seen enough ads yet
19:37.20greycatIs it because it's trying to advertise at me and my Lynx isn't letting it?
19:37.28stonedlynx, wow.
19:37.33stonedlinks2 and -g here.
19:37.40jellyJohn: and it just hangs there?
19:37.42markybobfuck pastebin.com
19:37.44greycatYes, I always use lynx for unsolicited IRC pastebins.  No telling what's in them.
19:37.44stonedHehe. lynx. I havent' used that since COIN in 1994
19:37.52stonedWow. I was like 14 then.
19:37.55jellyJohn: can you ssh localhost, as a test?
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19:38.03stonedgreycat: good idea.
19:38.10kionI installed Simple Scan and it does not see my wireless multifunction printer, instead it only allows to "scan" from my laptop cam ... any ideas?
19:38.14markybobstoned, stop making us feel old :P
19:38.23greycatbut we are old....
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19:38.29stonedThat we are.
19:38.32stonedHow time flies by. Huh
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19:38.37stoned15 years already w/ ou guys. Damn.
19:38.39stonedDamn.
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19:39.44Johnjelly, yeah :(
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19:40.04jellyJohn: yeah you can?  or yeah it works?  or?
19:40.43stonedso I have given up, I just purged all apache and php (apart from php5-cli) configs and tasksel'd me a web-server task. Back to good old non cgi crapola.
19:40.52Johnsorry, hah, i was installing lynx xD
19:41.03Johnyes it just hangs :)
19:41.13Johnuntil the connection is closed by the server
19:41.26stonedI'm happy with nginx and fastcgi, and that's all I can support. I'm really out of touch w/ things.
19:41.39greycatI switched from apache to nginx also.
19:41.50jellyJohn: can you show the output of ssh -vv localhost
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19:42.34JohnSure can
19:42.46JohnWhich paste-thing would you like it in? :)
19:43.01markybobJohn, paste.debian.net
19:43.01greycat!paste
19:43.02dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
19:43.14jellyJohn: paste.debian.net or anything but pastebin.com really :-)
19:43.38stonedI made the change for Symantec Inc. Nortonsocia.com is still runing mod_php5 though. I had to setup a shadow server and nginx it and replicate everything for a temporary project. Needed a few million hits a second capability, iirc. I had to setup a round robin, then I discoverd rackspace does load balancing, but then you have to get a new ip for the load balancer, and symanetc likes to manaage their own DNS
19:43.40stonedand point @ record to my server
19:43.45greycatPlease none of the "encrypted" ones, or anything that requires Javascript like Hastebin.
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19:43.51stonedIn short, I pretty much hate apache. Also b/c #httpd is mostly useless
19:44.13JohnHere it is :) http://paste.debian.net/360331/
19:44.44jellyJohn: that's not localhost
19:44.49stonedDNS changes take weeks to go through corporate. SSL certs/updating is actually within hours, since they own it.
19:44.50Johnoh, whoops, right
19:44.54stonedAnyway, nginx ++
19:44.54markybobstoned, #httpd is useless...but i can't get myself to move away from apache. never really looked at anything else.
19:45.08stonedmarkybob: just for the heck of it, try nginx in a vm or something
19:45.19stonedCheck it out, you might like it's minimalis/simplicity
19:45.22stonedits*
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19:45.43abrotman#httpd generally refuses to help people they can figure out are using Debian Apache packages because they don't like what the maintainers have done to make it compliant .. or osme such nonsense
19:45.58stonedmhmm.
19:45.59Johnhttp://paste.debian.net/360335/
19:46.00markybobstoned, i noticed you don't support https. is it more difficult with nginx?
19:46.04stonedthumbs is the worst at that.
19:46.05Johnthats localhost and -vv
19:46.11John(also it worked)
19:46.17abrotmanmarkybob: no, it's stupid easy ..
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19:46.20stonedmarkybob: who me? where? on stoned.io?
19:46.25markybobstoned, right
19:46.26stonedeh. What do I need ssl for
19:46.29stonedI'mjust a stoned.
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19:46.39abrotmanAnd this is why some people shouldn't be allowed on the internet ...
19:46.53stonedI might buy one, Imight not. I don't host anything there anyway
19:47.05markybobstoned, you dont need to buy one. letsencrypt.org
19:47.26stonedmarkybob: been away from lniux 6 years, out of touch w/ things. I'l check ti out
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19:47.36stoned(argh fingers hurt, arthritis got worse over years)
19:47.40abrotmanhas nothing to do with Linux ...
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19:47.51jellyJohn: hmph.  Do you have any remote ssh servers hosted NOT on EC2?
19:47.58happy____Hi
19:48.02stonedhi
19:48.11JohnUm... i have a linode somewhere
19:48.27markybobyou lost your linode?
19:48.31JohnBut the only time i think about it is when i wonder how to decactivate it, lol
19:48.39greycatJohn: Is the problem only with your *own* servers?  Can you ssh to other people's servers, like ssh joshua@Crawl.Akrasiac.Org ?
19:48.48happy____Any software for translation on debian?
19:49.04jellyJohn: so is it safe to say all the remote machines that fail are hosted on EC2?
19:49.56Johnyeah
19:50.15Johnand, i mean, i just span up a fresh server just to test sshing to it
19:50.18stonedabrotman: I've been doing C# etc. for oil stuffs, haven't messed w/ linux, admin things, or even know what's been up in the FOSS world for years.
19:50.19Johnnew key, etc
19:50.24stonedTrying to get back into the game.
19:50.40abrotmanstoned: it has nothing to do with FOSS or any of that, it's about information security.
19:50.45stonedA lof of things are new to me.
19:50.46abrotmannot surprised
19:50.46Johngreycat,  can i ssh to that actual address?
19:50.59greycatCan you?  That was the question.  You should get a prompt for password.
19:51.08greycat(It's a public game server.)
19:51.22jellyJohn: could be a networking issue.  Do I have your permission to try connecting to 52.90.75.55?
19:51.25Johnoh, well, i can but i dont have a password
19:51.25stonedabrotman: all in good time
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19:51.32greycatJohn: then it worked.
19:51.39Johngreycat, yeah, hm, that seemed to work
19:51.59JohnCould it be this email AWS sent me the other day:
19:52.13stonedabrotman: haven't doen much related to that b/c of a diff work env.
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19:53.14happy____How do I add translation to this program? GoldenDict.
19:53.27stonedAll I had to do for years was just maintain the symantec servers i had been for years, and still do, a fwe public facign and mostly internal. I havne't had to yet have anythign to do w/ non paid free SSL. I go everthing through Symantec b/c they bought verisign and I can just email my liason and get stuff done.
19:53.38stonedNow I'm back on linux, no more C# or windows or other coding jobs.
19:53.48abrotmanAgain, nothing to do with Linux ...
19:53.55abrotmanbut please, keep ignoring common sense
19:54.17stoned:)
19:54.36stonedabrotman: thank you very much for your comments and insight.
19:55.16Johnjelly, i think i do - i set it all up in the security access section
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19:57.05uxfihi
19:57.18uxfitrying to install debian in a VM. Why are there 4 parts?. Which ISO should I get/use?
19:57.39greycat!netinst
19:57.40dpkgwell, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian.  If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later.  See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/  See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
19:57.49uxfiah
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19:58.44uxfithanks greycat
19:59.58r0xtedyhello ppl
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20:00.00r0xtedyI love you
20:00.17r0xtedycan you tell me wherever I can upgrade MATE in jessie to 1.12 version?
20:00.33at0m,v mate
20:00.34juddNo package named 'mate' was found in amd64.
20:00.39JT|workwe love you too r0xtedy
20:00.51jellyat0m: mate-desktop
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20:01.19jellyr0xtedy: and no you can't, not at this time from debian's repos.
20:01.26Johnhttp://paste.debian.net/360343/
20:01.27at0mr0xtedy: seems that'll be another while, it's just in sid
20:01.42JohnThis is what AWS sent to me recently, which prompted me to ssh in in the first plae
20:01.44John}place
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20:02.15Johnfor what its worth, i tried to set up openvpn on the server,  but then halfway through did something else - and now it looks like someone else figured out how to use it and started sending forum spam
20:02.40Johnbut it says port 80, not port 22 - and even sshing into a "fresh" instance isnt working
20:02.45JohnSo maybe its unrelated
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20:08.44stonedIs there any way to mayb use libusb to try and change the physical Fn key to send a diff keycode instead of being used as a keycode mofifier or is this limiated way too deeply hardware rooted (internal kb controller)
20:09.08uxfiIf I set debian as a "web server" with the net install ISO. Am I good to go to use it to test a local website?
20:09.43stonedI'm looking at the code fo the Fn key swapping application and how they use libusb to toggle it on or off. I have a Logitech K350 kb, which isn't supported by any of those application. I wonder why
20:10.01greycatIf you do that, it probably installs apache in some configuration or other.  If that's not what you want, I'd skip that task selection.
20:10.13stonedI mean they are polling usb devices adn then string matching the model # in the source, that can easily be made to detect mykeyboard, but about the rest of ti.
20:10.38stonedI bought this wireless kb and I use Xmonad w/ mod4mask, and it onlyhas one winkey at the left side
20:10.55uxfigreycat,  are you talking to sto?
20:10.58uxfistoned, ?
20:11.01stonedAnd Fn key on the right. I know it's a stupid hardware thing, but could there be any possible way
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20:11.32greycatuxfi: No.  I'm talking to the person asking about the "web server" task selection.  That's you.
20:11.58greycatstoned is just rambling by himself
20:12.13uxfioh
20:12.25stonedI'm asking a question about possibly remapping the Fn key. :)
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20:13.06greycatstoned: Well, nobody can POSSIBLY answer that without at least knowing what kind of laptop you are discussing.
20:13.11Yukiteruhi everybody
20:13.13stonedOh, no laptop.
20:13.21greycatI couldn't answer it under any circumstances, but other people who know laptops may.
20:13.23stonedIt's a Wireless logitech k350 keyboard on my desktop
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20:13.26stonedI gave the model #
20:13.48greycat... there are non-laptop keyboards with an Fn key?
20:13.50Yukiteruanybody have DRI3 over intel hd graphics?? i'm using Debian testing
20:13.53stonedYes.
20:13.55stonedI don't use laptops.
20:13.57stonedI hate them.
20:14.22happy____How do I add translation to this program? GoldenDict.
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20:14.47stonedMost results on google turn up about laptops.
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20:15.31stonedThign is, xev can't see a keycode. Wikipedia says this is not a key that sends a key code, but it modifies how OTHER keycodes are sent when this is held down, thus changing the func. of the fkeys when Fn is down
20:15.49uxfigreycat, ok its installing
20:16.33stonedSo I'm trying to figure out if there is any way to control it using libusb.c functions and make it send a certain keycode, but it seems to be a hardware limitation in the desktop keyboard too. which is silly. It works flawlessly under windows w/ deault non logitech drivers, usbhid something, but in linux Fn key is totally munted.
20:16.59stoned(actually I have no idea if this can even be remapped in windows, so don't take my word on that)
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20:18.43stonedWhy a desktop kb even has Fn key is beyond me. You're not constrained by space...
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20:19.06greycatYou could buy a different keyboard.
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20:19.42stonedHaha, I have 3 keyboards here. But yeah, time for a new wireless one. I was browsing the goodwill store and saw this wireless keyboard for twelve dollars, I figured why not, it's in mind condition.
20:19.51stonedbut I do need a good mechanical ergo.
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20:19.58teraflopsstoned: are you talking about remap fn key to be modmask?
20:20.05stonedteraflops: yes!
20:20.33stonedI want the Fn key to send 133 (mod4mask, left winkey/super)
20:20.36stonedI think iirc.
20:20.51teraflopsstoned: what does say xev? XF86WakeUp?
20:21.03teraflopsor just nothing?
20:21.34Scott0_stoned: did you get it to work?
20:21.45Scott0_I had to step away for a bit
20:22.08teraflopsstoned: well if theres no event when pressing the fn kay (along) just forget your idea
20:22.14teraflopskey*
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20:27.39Scott0_stoned: <FilesMatch ".+\.ph(p[345]?|t|tml)$"> SetHandler application/x-httpd-php </FilesMatch>  seems to do the job of setting the handler in conf-enabled/php5-cgi.conf
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20:27.55Scott0_not sure what's missing, maybe an action line?
20:28.22Scott0_https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mod_actions.html#action
20:28.40Scott0_shows an example where addhandler is used with action to get cgi working
20:28.44greycatScott0_: what version of debian are you using?  apache 2.2 is on wheezy, apache 2.4 is on jessie.
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20:29.06Scott0_greycat: 8
20:29.10Scott0_its a fresh install
20:29.15Scott0_upgraded
20:29.19greycatThen you should be reading apache 2.4 docs, not 2.2
20:29.30greycatThe authorization stuff is very different in apache 2.4.
20:29.40Scott0_ok https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/en/mod/mod_actions.html#action
20:29.46Scott0_similar comment :P
20:30.16Scott0_I expect php5-cgi.conf to have an action line
20:30.22ohohhohhello there, i just formating my hdd [backup disk] and it is ext4. how can i write on this hdd? i dont have any permission to copy/write on?
20:30.32greycatAre you still getting an error like this:  14:18  stoned> [Tue Jan 05 13:17:47.476774 2016] [authz_core:error] [pid 30368] [client ::1:54355] AH01630: client denied by server configuration: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5
20:30.44Scott0_I actually didn't check for that error, ill look
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20:31.01uxfiHey
20:31.16uxfihow come when I type apache on the "web server configuration" apache doesn't do anything?
20:31.27Scott0_greycat: no errors
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20:31.43stoneduxfi: what do you mean?
20:31.52teraflopsuxfi: huh?
20:31.59uxfioh
20:32.07uxfiI set up debian from net install with the "Web server" checked
20:32.14uxfisince I want to set it as a web server
20:32.25uxfiHow come when I type in "apache" in the terminal it doesn't do anything?
20:32.32greycatuxfi: point a web browser at it.
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20:32.43uxfiwhat do you mean?
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20:33.02greycatWell, if you also have a desktop on that Debian system, try going to http://localhost/ in your web browser.
20:33.12greycatOtherwise, point another computer at the Debian system.
20:33.18stonedeven if not, you can do it w/ a cli browser
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20:34.00Scott0_http://www.binarytides.com/setup-apache-php-cgi-ubuntu/  this guide shows adding the Action and AddHandler in the site conf
20:34.11greycatApache configuration is mostly done by editing files, not with commands per se.  Though it also has a few of those.
20:34.41uxfiah ok
20:34.46uxfihttp host
20:35.19uxfiah got it!
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20:35.47awal1I get an error message about lvmetad during boot just before fsck , how to bring it up , where I should look for find that error being in X?
20:35.57uxfiwhat about nginx?
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20:36.02Scott0_stoned: I FOUND IT
20:36.17Scott0_I had my action line in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/actions.conf
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20:36.21awal1dmesg or systemctl  doesn't show it
20:36.28Scott0_Action application/x-httpd-php /cgi-bin/php5
20:36.43Scott0_is this the proper place for it?
20:36.52uxfiHow would I get NGINX greycat ?
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20:38.01greycatapt-get install nginx   (and realize that it will have to remove some or all of apache)
20:38.12rhizomeuxfi: the binary for apache is "httpd"
20:38.12Scott0_Hello World
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20:38.23Scott0_greycat: stoned: its working fine now
20:38.25greycatrhizome: but that's not what you type to configure things.
20:38.26uxfirhizome,  binary?
20:38.48greycatHe wanted to know what to type in a shell to bring up a configuration program, I think.
20:38.51rhizomeright. "uxfi> How come when I type in "apache" in the terminal it doesn't do anything?"
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20:39.06Scott0_stoned: did that get yours working too?
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20:39.34Scott0_stoned: regarding your permission problem, did you create the index.php file as root or your user?
20:39.59Johnugh, this time i set up an AWS that allows all connections on port 22, running ubuntu, and i still cant ssh in
20:40.15Johnperhaps my client (debian) machine doesn't have the rigth openssl or something?
20:40.50rhizomessh -vv user@host
20:41.04JohnMaybe thats why i get a password prompt for greycat's gameserver, but nothing AWS-related with PSK
20:41.12JohnNot PSK, sorry, public key
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20:41.33Johnrhizome, done that, and it just says the public key does not exist (if im reading it right)
20:41.41Johnone sec, will do it again
20:42.01cluelesspersoncan someone help me?
20:42.11cluelesspersonI'm getting   ldap_sasl_bind(SIMPLE): Can't contact LDAP server
20:42.21cluelesspersonbut I can telnet ldap 636  just fine
20:42.30Johnhttp://paste.debian.net/360391/
20:42.43rhizomeuxfi: keep it in channel, please
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20:42.51uxfisorry
20:43.11stonedScott0_: I gave up on apache years ago. Just wanted to show it works, on debian out of the box, though you want a specific type of cgi setup, which can be non trivial to setup. I use and recommend nginx.
20:43.26Azrael_-hi
20:43.38Azrael_-i run php-fpm with all logging options enabled (even catch_workers_output) but get no error-output, neither logs nor frontend. config: http://pastebin.com/PNikfqVM i tested it with cgi-fcgi from command line without success. any ideas?
20:43.52Scott0_stoned: it shouldn't be non-trivial
20:44.08Scott0_seems its just missing a line from php5-cgi.conf
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20:44.58Scott0_or from actions.conf
20:45.14Scott0_probably in php5-cgi.conf
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20:45.29JohnIs there a website i can upload my .pem to so someone here can also try to log in?
20:46.04JohnOh wait, .pem is just plaintext right
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20:47.39JohnOK pasted - would anyone here be willing to try sshing into the AWS instance I cant ssh into myself?
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20:48.03JohnTheres nothing on it, i just spawned it, but if you can get in that shows the problem is with my client, not AWS
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20:48.29BrigoJohn, i can try.
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20:49.11Mathisenhello... just installed the latest stable version and now i need virtualbox + web gui can i still use this guide >> http://www.vionblog.com/virtualbox-4-3-phpvirtualbox-debian-wheezy/ ???
20:49.14cluelesspersonldap sucks
20:49.26Mathisenits for wheezy.. but im now on jessie...
20:49.27JohnI sent you a link to the private key Brigo - if you could try "ssh -vv -i the.pem ubuntu@54.152.42.230"
20:49.29abrotmanhow astute .. from a cluelessperson ? :)
20:49.51abrotmancluelessperson: generally, 636 isn't the right port .. did you change it?
20:50.14abrotmancluelessperson: sorry, I mean without SSL .. Have you tried without SSL?
20:50.17greycatFor whatever it's worth, ssh ubuntu@54.152.42.230 for me (without that key) gives "Permission denied (publickey)." and does not hang or anything.
20:50.43BrigoJohn, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f574baef/
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20:51.00cluelesspersonabrotman, yes.
20:51.20BrigoJohn, i logged in.
20:51.21JohnAh, sorry, you have to chmod 400 that john.pem
20:51.23cluelesspersonabrotman,    ldapsearch -x -H ldaps://ldap -W -D 'mail=MYEMAILou=users,ou=principals,dc=example,dc=com' -b 'dc=example,dc=com'  WORKS
20:51.23Johnah, ok
20:51.24abrotmancluelessperson: they both fail equally?  you might want to ask the ldap channel, in case oyu're doing your bind wrong
20:51.26Johnhm
20:51.27abrotmanor show us all ...
20:51.43Johnfuuuuuuck then :/ I have no idea whats up with my ssh
20:51.51BrigoJohn, you are right, i did it and i can log in. I will paste the output too.
20:51.51Twirlhey guys, what happens if i'm running a command from an SSH session that is waiting in line (didn't even start) after another command that has been running for hours and is not done yet and i close the session?
20:52.06abrotmancluelessperson: oh, so it does work ?
20:52.09JohnThank you Brigo >)
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20:53.06BrigoJohn, yw :)
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20:53.57cluelesspersonabrotman, ldap search works (used for testing), but in auth.log, I get
20:53.57cluelesspersonJan  5 14:53:14 temp-backups nscd: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldaps://ldap: Inappropriate authentication
20:54.05Scott0_stoned: greycat: this is it http://pastie.org/pastes/10672076/text?key=15zgfdqtcogtxvjb4colga
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20:54.14Scott0_I knew it was something small
20:54.28abrotmancluelessperson: eh .. does the host "ldap" exist?
20:54.46cluelesspersonabrotman, yes, ldapsearch would fail if it didn't.
20:54.54cluelesspersonldapsearch proves the host exists and works correctly
20:54.57cluelesspersonnss_ldap is failing.
20:55.07abrotmancluelessperson: they may not all be running on the same host .. but I'd probably ask ##ldap (I think that's the right channel)
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20:56.05cluelesspersonabrotman, ah, thanks
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21:11.13zykotick9does checkrestart not take kernel updates into account?
21:12.15Johnhm
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21:12.22Johnapparently i have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1254085
21:12.34Johnand the fix it to set my MTU t0 1200
21:12.44JohnHow do i fnd and change an MTU in Debian?
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21:14.33Scott0_how is the cherokee web server going? is anyone still using it? I once heard it was faster than nginx
21:14.49Scott0_I once considered nginx and even tried cherokee
21:14.55Scott0_but cherokee was a pain to configure
21:15.42Scott0_cherokee looks like a dead project
21:16.03greycatJohn: well, there is /msg dpkg mtu    but I can't verify it, having never done it.
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21:19.23stew18:31 < stew> Scott0_: the directives you are looking for are commented out, right?
21:19.26stew18:31 < stew> #Action application/x-httpd-php /cgi-bin/php5 <- this?
21:20.15CutMeOwnThroatJohn, well, there's also a file for each device in /sys... find them with: find /sys  -name mtu
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21:20.43CutMeOwnThroatbut having to change mtu?? seriously?
21:20.45Scott0_what?
21:20.48Scott0_mind didn't have that
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21:21.32greycatCutMeOwnThroat: something wrong with his ISP or his local network, maybe?  I don't know.  It's outside my experience.
21:21.47CutMeOwnThroatalso... that ubuntu bug report reads like their forums :(
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21:23.14abrotmanaren't they the same?
21:23.16CutMeOwnThroatgreycat, now that I see it... I realize it may not be outside mine... I couldn't connect to irc from home, I could when I ssh/socks-tunnled to uni... could have been something similar (of course, no way to debug if you don't run client and server)
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21:24.11CutMeOwnThroat(yes, I know, twisted the meaning of "experience" a bit there)
21:24.36Scott0_stew: not sure why mine was in a different file on the previous server
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21:25.42Scott0_stew: and the new server did have that at the very end, I didn't catch it. I need to get a color coded text editor, these lines are all becoming one blob
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21:34.25Johnoh it wasnt anything to do with MTU, it was ssh itself on Debian
21:34.30JohnI had to do this: http://superuser.com/questions/699530/git-pull-does-nothing-git-push-just-hangs-debug1-expecting-ssh2-msg-kex-ecd
21:34.32JohnNot really sure why i had to do this - usually Debian ssh works out of the box
21:35.06greycatIf it's an issue with key formats being disallowed, it ought to scream an error, not hang.
21:35.25JohnI agree, hehe :)
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21:36.08JohnNow im really stuck because i stopped the "buggy" instance, detached its volume (to attach it to another to debug), but now i cant re-attach it without it being /dev/sdf and mounted as root
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21:36.31Johnso... i had to snapshot the volume, turn the snapshot into an image, and boot the image. what a hassle
21:36.36Johncloud-stuff sucks
21:37.00JohnAnd its still initilizing 10 minutes later
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21:43.26rhizomei've noticed that which copying large files to a usb key that the copy freezes for ~5min at a time. contrary to google hits for this kind of thing my machine is still usable, but I'm wondering if there's any knobs i can turn or switches to flip?
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21:43.57zetttHi everyone! just wandering if theres a way to show a progress bar just in the mplayer console and not the actual video window?
21:44.25zettt*wondering
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21:46.08rhizomeprogress bar?
21:46.54greycatIt should only appear when you're jumping around....
21:47.08greycatOther than that, you'd have to ask #mplayer.
21:47.19nkuttlerzettt: o should toggle the osd
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21:59.12awal1zettt: when playing audio only or video?
21:59.49greycatBoy, I'd be impressed if you could see a progress bar in the audio output.
22:00.10greycat(He does say "the video window" in the question.)
22:01.02awal1zettt: I dont think mplayer have that feature anyway. try vlc ncurses mode, it does that
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22:06.50lemondomoh, I read that Ian Murdock is dead, the Debian founder?
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22:07.30anddamlemondom: the answer is yes, you read it
22:07.39anddamlemondom: also, read topic
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22:15.23lemondomI see, ok
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22:25.43rhizomefor the record, my slow usb copies appear to be A Thing
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22:29.01qazhi
22:29.20qazi am trying to make a binary use a local version of lib
22:29.41qazso i copied the lib locally because my understanding is that the loader looks in the local dir first
22:30.02qazbut when i run ldd, it still says the bin will use the system version of the lib
22:30.08qazhow cani fix this?
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22:33.00teraflopsqaz: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/the/folder ./mybinary ?
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22:35.14qazteraflops: nope, it still does not show in ldd...
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22:35.42teraflopsblinks
22:36.30themillfull command and output in a pastebin might help
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22:36.48qazahh gotit now
22:36.53qazi had to set it =
22:36.56qazand then export
22:36.59qaz2 commands...
22:37.03themillno
22:37.08qaz?
22:37.35simonlnusame line
22:38.18simonlnuno `export'
22:38.34qazthis worked
22:38.35qazexport LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.
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22:39.21tite12345Hi!
22:39.32tite12345Isn't ffmpeg in Debian's official repos?
22:39.39tite12345I'm trying to get this package: ffmpeg
22:40.02tite12345This is what it told me, didn't quite get it: Can't select versions from package 'ffmpeg' as it is purely virtual
22:40.14teraflopsqaz: it worked because you copied the lib to the same folder where the binary is
22:40.30simonlnuPackage: ffmpeg
22:40.31simonlnuSource: ffmpeg (7:2.8.4-1)
22:40.39cra1g321tite12345 https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ffmpeg
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22:40.44simonlnutite12345: erm, yes it is
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22:41.17awal1How to use the  -o  youtube-dl option for download to a specific directory the whole youtube playlist renaming all the videos, each video whith a specific name? Means: I want download X playlist (10 videos) to X dir and name video one as 1, video two as 2, video three as 3 and so
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22:41.45cra1g321tite12345, seems there isn't a jessie package but there is a jessie-backports one
22:42.04rhizomeffmpeg and jessie is...problematic right now
22:42.15teraflopsheh
22:42.27awal1rhizome: what problem you have?
22:42.41simonlnu?
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22:43.25rhizomeawal1: https://lwn.net/Articles/607591/
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22:45.55awal1"youtube-dl --prefer-ffmpeg youtube-playlist-url -o /home/user/Music/playlistname   " renames the whole playlist, how to rename the videos, each video inside the playlist?
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22:46.33rhizomei wouldn't think youtube-dl would do that on its own
22:47.52awal1rhizome: you want me learn the whole content of the url you posted for guess your "issue"? :D
22:47.57teraflopswrksx: whats wrong with -t?
22:48.09teraflopsups
22:48.17teraflopsawal1: whats wrong with -t?
22:48.26wrksx:~
22:48.33rhizomeawal1: ffmpeg was removed from debian 8, but it's returning
22:49.02awal1teraflops: I no get you
22:49.09awal1-t option?
22:49.09rhizomelibav has its own simulation, but it's not the same and breaks handbrake (h264 also implicated)
22:49.15teraflopsawal1: yes
22:49.44teraflopsawal1: -o is for single tracks afaik, not for playlists
22:49.55awal1rhizone: right, debian project is planing to prefer ffmpeg again , yes
22:50.10awal1teraflops: ok, let me check that option
22:50.28rhizomeso that's my "issue", but at any rate i was just commenting on someone else's problem
22:50.41teraflopsawal1: also k for keeping the videos
22:51.14teraflopsrhizome: what kind of problems?
22:51.30teraflopsi just compile ffmpeg if im in need of it
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22:52.20awal1rhizome: do you have a specific issue combining yb-dl/libav right now?
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22:56.16stewrhizome: when you say "removed ... but it's returning" you don't mean its going to get added to stable, are you?
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23:11.43rhizomeawal1: nope
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23:14.04rhizomestew: current status appears to be that it's been added to testing and jessie-backports
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23:14.31stewrhizome: yes, but it would never then be added to stable
23:14.36stewrhizome: new stuff doesn't get into stable
23:14.37Twirlhey guys, i'm running on ssd and copying 30gb of very small image files (around a million) from one folder to another with cp -av /path /path and it's taking a really long time, considering i'm on SSD this should not take more than a minute but it's been more than 10 minutes, whats going on? Are SSD's supported by debian?
23:15.20rhizomeTwirl: it's been more than 10 minutes since you said it was taking 15 minutes yesterday
23:15.23Twirlcould it be that stdout to the terminal from the -v option is slowing down the copying process to the speed of the SSH/terminal?
23:15.27teraflopsheh
23:15.39Twirlrhizome: nope, it was a different operation
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23:16.03rhizomeas you've described it, it appears to be the same
23:16.11Twirlrhizome: anyways if that is the kind of answer i'm going to get i'm better asking somewhere else
23:16.27teraflopsssh is slow, and your flesystem is related to
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23:16.37Twirlrhizome: well, you didnt help when i asked the fist time and now you are not helping either
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23:16.47Twirlmight as well not say anything
23:16.53rhizomeTwirl: yes, SSDs are supported in debian.
23:16.58Twirlteraflops: well then it's ssh to blame?
23:18.05Twirlit's going to finish soon but this Kingston SSD claims to be able to perform at 500mb/s IOPS and if it takes 20 minutes to copy 30gb, there is something very wrong
23:18.06teraflopsssh is slow also it depends on thw filsystemd you use, and btw asking whats going on? Are SSD's supported by debian? sounds like a joke
23:18.36Twirlteraflops: it's ext4
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23:22.39brandnewbianwhats wrong with this launcher gui shortcut? "kdesudo -c primusrun nvidia-settings"
23:23.16brandnewbiani also tried "primusrun kdesudo nvidia-settings"
23:23.33brandnewbianboth give different results, neither lets me make changes
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23:25.53brandnewbianis it gauche to ask how you guys feel about this whole Ian Murdock thing?
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23:27.24brandnewbianoh crap didnt see the topic
23:27.25Shadow_7brandnewbian: #debian-offtopic (per topic?)
23:27.33stewassuming we are all guys is
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23:28.53brandnewbianis "guys" really gendered tho?
23:29.22Shadow_7brandnewbian: only if you consider gals gender neutral
23:29.50brandnewbianwell im fine with being referred to as gals, as part of a group or even when alone
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23:29.57stewbrandnewbian: what amkes you think I was talking about gender?
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23:30.41stew(probably related to the fact that it is a gendered pronoun)
23:31.14brandnewbianhey im cool with whatever the channel wants. i really appreciate the help from everyone
23:31.20stew:)
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23:38.41teraflopsheh
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23:39.45SomelauwIs there a way to make apt-get show which updates were installed yesterday?
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23:40.10Shadow_7Somelauw: you can see the download dates in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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23:40.20themillor from the log file
23:40.22Shadow_7if you keep the .deb that download
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23:41.22niotoanYou can use history command
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23:44.33niotoanIn order To see the history With date: echo 'export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T "' >> ~/.bash_profile
23:44.36SomelauwShadow_7: that works, but is a bit manual
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23:45.11stewSomelauw: /var/log/dpkg.log
23:45.18Somelauwniotoan: yes, but that does not show the output. apt-get dist-upgrade installs a lot
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23:47.00awal1How to enable 'bell' in drop-down terminals like tilda & guake?
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23:47.30teraflopsbrandnewbian: error?
23:47.51niotoanYou can use Use Apt-get in a screen sessione With logging
23:47.51Somelauwthanks stew
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23:48.19teraflops__builtin: i do `primusrun nvidia-settings -c :8` since nvidia is at :8
23:48.23teraflops:S
23:48.39teraflopsbrandnewbian: i do `primusrun nvidia-settings -c :8` since nvidia is at :8
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23:50.01svetlanadoes synaptic show history of installed updates? it is interesting for me to see that synaptic has no documentation with it (unless it ships with something useful in debian itself)
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23:52.16brandnewbianteraflops: well primusrun and optirun both work. and the error is basically that the nvidia driver isnt running and the driver setting GUI isnt running as root. lemme try your mod
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23:55.15BrigoSomelauw, apt-get has a log too: /var/log/apt/history.log
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23:57.18SomelauwBrigo: thanks, that one is most specific
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23:58.06brandnewbianteraflops: the command you posted did nothing but a UA prompt. I'm trying this "kdesudo optirun nvidia-settings" but the gui pops up and says Im not using the nvidia driver.
23:58.07roylaprattepgonzalo2: Is it working with acpi=force ?
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