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| 00:27.07 | TTT | hi, I was here several hours ago asking whether it's possible to install debian to a USB key as if it was a normal disk. Just in case you are curious, I did it. It works. It's a bit slow, but for a router device, it works OK |
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| 00:28.32 | beepie | TTT, of course, but it's not called a live-disk ;-) |
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| 00:29.05 | beepie | TTT, tip: you can disable on-board sata in the bios, and this way you can protect your main desktop setup |
| 00:29.17 | beepie | TTT, I do this often when trying out things natively |
| 00:29.23 | maxxe | hi peeps |
| 00:29.26 | beepie | hi |
| 00:29.29 | beepie | beeps |
| 00:29.31 | TTT | nah, this is a dedicated computer, it doesn't have a hard drive. It died |
| 00:29.35 | TTT | so I don't need to disable anything |
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| 00:29.55 | TTT | I'm using usb-key as a temporary hard drive while I RMA the failed one |
| 00:30.37 | maxxe | beepie: that greeting wasn't related to your nick. didn't thought of that when I wrote it :D |
| 00:30.37 | beepie | I just created an emergency system with a simply atom handheld pc, smacked debian on it and it runs nicely |
| 00:30.49 | beepie | maxxe, hahha |
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| 00:31.40 | maxxe | but fun that you said hi. I like "peeps" that greet :) |
| 00:31.56 | beepie | TTT, you'd probably like to exercise optimizing such a setup in the future -- like disable all on-disk cache, use noatime, and have "ext2" for usb for performance |
| 00:32.17 | TTT | bah, I'll get a new drive within weeks (hopefully), and this will last until then |
| 00:32.30 | TTT | it routes well enough, and home server and media box functionality can wait |
| 00:32.30 | beepie | TTT, a linux system with all the features like full logging, and webbrowser caching quickly deteriorates the life of the usb flash |
| 00:32.54 | TTT | I know about the lifetime, not too expensive USB drive, not too worried |
| 00:33.26 | TTT | and I'm not running a webbrowser on it, just a server/router ATM |
| 00:34.34 | maxxe | beepie: thank you for saying hi. that little thing made me glad :) cool isn't it what little it takes to switch mood |
| 00:34.56 | beepie | maxxe, beep |
| 00:35.01 | beepie | :D |
| 00:35.05 | maxxe | :D |
| 00:35.30 | beepie | :p |
| 00:35.38 | beepie | eeps |
| 00:35.45 | beepie | !ping |
| 00:35.46 | dpkg | Sorry beepie, you're not online. |
| 00:35.49 | beepie | bullshit |
| 00:35.56 | beepie | dpkg hates me |
| 00:35.56 | dpkg | beepie: i don't know |
| 00:36.05 | beepie | !ping maxxe |
| 00:36.06 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over maxxe's head |
| 00:36.09 | beepie | weee |
| 00:36.11 | maxxe | hehe |
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| 00:41.39 | judd | Package: iperf3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.0.7-1; sid: 3.0.11-1; stretch: 3.0.11-1 |
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| 00:41.49 | judd | Package: iperf on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.4-5; wheezy: 2.0.5-3; jessie: 2.0.5+dfsg1-2; sid: 2.0.5+dfsg1-2+b1; stretch: 2.0.5+dfsg1-2+b1 |
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| 00:56.55 | Beastie33 | Hi guys,I have a serious problem to watch porn every night, when I plug my headphones the speakers don't mute, does someone know how to solve this? |
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| 00:57.38 | Beastie33 | debhelper, mute headphones |
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| 01:02.54 | c-c | audio mixer |
| 01:03.20 | c-c | I have "PNMixer" |
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| 01:05.25 | nevyn | Beastie33: script and amixer |
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| 01:05.58 | nevyn | c-c: can it handle the jack plug event? |
| 01:06.12 | nevyn | or are you saying just mute the speakers manually? |
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| 01:25.17 | Scriptonaut | does anyone know how I can get a framebuffer to display inline images in terminator? |
| 01:25.25 | Scriptonaut | images display fine in ttys |
| 01:25.30 | Scriptonaut | I want to display them in terminator though |
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| 01:34.23 | wyoung | hey, is there a way to ensure only x number of packages that match a certain virtual package are installed? for example, I only want the latest 3 kernel images installed, if a new one comes out I want the oldest one to uninstall |
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| 01:41.52 | themill | wyoung: the kernel packages don't Provide any useful package like that; you might find /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels useful though |
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| 01:44.24 | themill | wyoung: «aptitude search '~P^linux-modules~i'» might also help although it's not really searching for the thing you're really interested in |
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| 01:48.09 | wyoung | themill: hmmm, well it would be useful if the dpkg / apt-get / linux-image would see if there is enough room to install a package before installing it :\ |
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| 01:51.03 | armin | it's quite interesting how suddenly all your audio problems are likely to be solved by just renaming the pulseaudio binary in /usr/bin |
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| 02:34.14 | bobandy | is there any way to preseed the network path to a preseed file in the testing installer? Or does it have to be local and copied to the iso |
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| 03:36.56 | awal1 | I want to play a bit with tor and it's utilities, but I wonder if 'torbrowser-launcher', after installing it and being based on iceweasel/firefox, will interfer with 'iceweasel' (?) |
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| 03:39.26 | awal1 | I tried tor years ago under windows and I remember that once started tor have a browser utility that starts the windows firefox app using tor config |
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| 03:41.32 | vvande | I run the Torbrowser and Iceweasel separately, but haven't tried the together. |
| 03:41.56 | awal1 | i mean: in windows, years ago, one only have windows 'firefox' and if firefox is started under tor, tor modify it. exitng tor, firefox is launched normally |
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| 03:42.37 | vvande | oh sorry, never tried Windows. But I don't see why you couldn't run browsers there one at a time too. |
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| 03:43.54 | awal1 | vvande, you mean that torbrowser-launcher and iceweasel will be 2 different applications completely , and trobrowser-launcher doesn't interfere at all with iceweasel (debian web browser I mean) ? |
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| 03:44.43 | awal1 | I have iceweasel configured completely at my way, and I don't want tor interfer with it, thats why my doubts |
| 03:45.38 | vvande | As I understand it, the launcher (Vidalia?) is deprecated. At this point you just start the Torbrowser. |
| 03:46.05 | vvande | I wouldn't be worried about breaking the setup you have. I'd be concerned about security leaks. |
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| 03:47.07 | vvande | On the Debian box where I have Torbrowser, I also have an Iceweasel install which I have heavily configured. There is no problem there. Both work just fine the way I want. |
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| 03:48.08 | awal1 | Oh, yes, vidalia that's the app I was using in windows. I have no windows right now, so forgot it. |
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| 03:50.23 | awal1 | vvande, ok, thanks for clearing my mind :) |
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| 03:52.29 | vvande | You're welcome. I hope you enjoy the hidden web. You can try one of my sites: http://ut3rclysspto2533.onion |
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| 04:09.13 | dioz | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unreleased/InRelease The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available |
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| 04:13.24 | awal1 | dioz: update before |
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| 04:13.41 | dioz | i update then upgrade |
| 04:13.57 | dioz | now it's complaining about archive key |
| 04:14.11 | awal1 | dioz: try another mirror |
| 04:14.25 | dioz | i did. same thing |
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| 04:14.39 | dioz | i'll try a third mirror |
| 04:14.41 | dioz | one moment |
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| 04:15.05 | dioz | know of any off hand for hurd? |
| 04:15.14 | markybob | dioz, wget -qO - http://ftp.debian-ports.org/archive/archive_2015.key | sudo apt-key add && sudo apt-get update |
| 04:15.47 | dioz | yah i know that |
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| 04:16.01 | markybob | dioz, apparently you don't. that'd fix the issue. |
| 04:16.06 | dioz | key change or something? |
| 04:16.10 | markybob | dioz, yes |
| 04:16.13 | dioz | when? |
| 04:16.38 | markybob | august |
| 04:16.52 | jonee | when you add the key? |
| 04:17.13 | dioz | i could've swore two days ago i apt-get update and upgrade |
| 04:17.16 | dioz | and there were no new updates |
| 04:17.30 | dvs | dioz: You need to do that specific update |
| 04:17.47 | namespace | Cryptsetup fails with: |
| 04:17.49 | namespace | http://pastebin.com/cMjpJTW6 |
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| 04:19.13 | themill | dioz: debian-ports is not the debian archive |
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| 04:20.16 | dioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.39 | markybob | dioz, so now you switched servers and you wonder why keys don't match? |
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| 04:22.50 | themill | dioz: what version of the debian-archive-keyring package do you have installed? |
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| 04:23.03 | dioz | what if i've downloaded the i just wanna know what would've changed |
| 04:23.21 | dioz | i just wanna know what would've changed |
| 04:24.03 | markybob | dioz, debian-ports key experied, so it changed. for ftp.fr.debian.org you probably need to update debian-archive-keyring |
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| 04:27.46 | dioz | how would've i know that the key was expired? |
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| 04:28.00 | markybob | dioz, their homepage says so |
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| 04:28.18 | dioz | how do i determine the current keys i have? |
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| 04:29.04 | ryonaloli_ | how little RAM is debian able to get away with using, assuming it has unlimited swap on a very high speed (300+ MB/s) device? |
| 04:29.13 | markybob | dioz, apt-key list |
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| 04:29.25 | ryonaloli_ | with "get away with" meaning at least remotely usable |
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| 04:29.53 | markybob | ryonaloli_, https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 04:30.40 | themill | dioz: apt-key has a useful manpage |
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| 04:32.27 | ryonaloli_ | markybob: is that the minimum with or without swap? in my case, i'm wondering if i can get away with 32 MiB of memory, assuming unlimited fast swap |
| 04:32.44 | JeremyE77 | you could |
| 04:32.44 | ryonaloli_ | i know 32 is really pushing it, but as long as it's alive long enough to swap... |
| 04:33.12 | JeremyE77 | I wouldnt try X probably |
| 04:33.20 | markybob | ryonaloli_, i've never tried...but i doubt it. |
| 04:33.44 | ryonaloli_ | how fast would i need the swap to be for things like X to be at least remotely usable? |
| 04:34.26 | markybob | ryonaloli_, with 32MiB ram? i don't think you can |
| 04:35.18 | nevyn | ryonaloli_: what platform has 32mb of memory in 2015? |
| 04:36.10 | ryonaloli_ | markybob: this is for a project i'm making which makes use of encrypted RAM, with a hypervisor that pushes swap with a virtual block device through dm-crypt with TRESOR, to a larger portion of memory |
| 04:36.34 | ryonaloli_ | a small amount of memory has to remain unencrypted, of course, for the kernel and for temporary buffers that cannot be swapped out, as well as mlocked processes |
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| 04:37.48 | dioz | thnx themill markybob |
| 04:37.48 | markybob | ryonaloli_, my initrd plus kernel is 24MiB. without anything else. that's just not gonna work |
| 04:38.03 | ryonaloli_ | because of that, the only bottlenecks for swap are virtio (which is zerocopy so it's very fast), and dm-crypt (which is several hundred MiB/s) |
| 04:38.23 | ryonaloli_ | markybob: the initrd will be shrunken |
| 04:40.27 | shingouz | ryonaloli_: if you somehow manage to do that, post a write-up somewhere. information about such microscopic installs can be useful to others |
| 04:41.12 | ryonaloli_ | shingouz: i will do that if i get any acceptable level of performance, although there's already a kernel patch which accomplishes this. i'm just working on something which does not require a modified kernel |
| 04:41.59 | shingouz | interesting |
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| 04:42.32 | ryonaloli_ | though i imagine a few hundred % lower performance, but that's acceptable (after all, it's still less of a loss than turning a desktop into a raspi, and raspis are certainly usable) |
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| 04:43.38 | shingouz | heh. unfortunately i have to head off to $ork right now. be nice, do not bite the neighbors (barking at them is ok) |
| 04:43.40 | markybob | Raspberry Pi 2 has 1GB RAM |
| 04:43.48 | markybob | that's a far cry from 32MiB |
| 04:44.08 | ryonaloli_ | markybob: i mean in terms of performance |
| 04:44.25 | ryonaloli_ | since putting everything through swap would have a performance hit |
| 04:44.27 | ryonaloli_ | *almost everything |
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| 04:44.54 | markybob | ryonaloli_, doesn't work that way. you need to have enough for it to know how to use swap |
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| 04:45.07 | ryonaloli_ | markybob: the kernel cannot be swapped out at all |
| 04:45.22 | markybob | ryonaloli_, no |
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| 04:45.42 | ryonaloli_ | so as long as there's enough for the kernel, and enough for the buffers and userspace utility to create the swap device, it should be fine (with "fine" meaning not panicing) |
| 04:46.12 | markybob | ryonaloli_, if i were to guess the least you could do is 64 |
| 04:46.43 | ryonaloli_ | well, i've been able to get linux on 32 of course. (lowest i ever had linux on was 4 MiB, but that was a custom kernel) |
| 04:46.48 | ryonaloli_ | i guess 64 is acceptabl |
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| 04:48.23 | nevyn | markybob: is that the compressed initrd or unpacked? |
| 04:49.03 | markybob | nevyn, compressed |
| 04:49.41 | nevyn | grumbles about the kernels middle age spread. |
| 04:49.41 | ryonaloli_ | uncompressed is probably not much bigger |
| 04:51.41 | markybob | not much...but when you're talking about such little memory, it matters |
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| 05:07.19 | ryonaloli_ | actually, ##kernel is probably a more relevant place |
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| 06:20.19 | popc0rninj4 | Alguien habla español en el canal ? |
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| 06:22.06 | nevyn | bleb:there's exfat fuse support |
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| 06:23.55 | popc0rninj4 | somebody speak spanish or there is a channel for spanish support for debian ¿? |
| 06:24.17 | beepie | !spanish |
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| 06:24.39 | beepie | popc0rninj4, well there is #debian-es :P |
| 06:25.12 | popc0rninj4 | Thanks a lot but i will stay here too cause i speak both ;) |
| 06:25.20 | popc0rninj4 | TY beepie |
| 06:25.37 | beepie | yw |
| 06:26.24 | fi_opWk | is debian gonna include nftables along with iptables anytime soon? |
| 06:27.22 | fi_opWk | or is this one left to DIY |
| 06:27.50 | beepie | fi_opWk, iptables-persistent has become part of jessie and needs netfilter-persistent to fully load on boot-up |
| 06:27.56 | beepie | fi_opWk, i suppose it'll be similar for nft |
| 06:28.50 | beepie | fi_opWk, i see nftables is available with backports |
| 06:29.06 | fi_opWk | really? |
| 06:29.35 | beepie | fi_opWk, it's on jessie-backports |
| 06:29.56 | fi_opWk | hm, so I would be changing repos |
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| 06:30.04 | fi_opWk | well adding actually |
| 06:30.05 | beepie | fi_opWk, no you add backport |
| 06:30.10 | fi_opWk | right |
| 06:30.17 | beepie | !bpo |
| 06:30.17 | popc0rninj4 | some good channel about debian hardening ? |
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| 06:30.44 | fi_opWk | iptables do hardining |
| 06:30.45 | beepie | popc0rninj4, there's debian-handbook/adminsitration online which offers tips, though often i find it inadequate |
| 06:31.03 | ryonaloli_ | popc0rninj4: perhaps ##security? |
| 06:31.03 | popc0rninj4 | ok ty |
| 06:31.16 | nevyn | popc0rninj4: it mostly relies on the admin being sensible. |
| 06:31.28 | stew | popc0rninj4: if you have a more specific question, I'd guess you could get help here |
| 06:31.33 | beepie | popc0rninj4, https://debian-handbook.info/ might be handy, though dunno if there's a spanish edition |
| 06:31.34 | nevyn | popc0rninj4: I personally find that hardening is enterprise nonsense. |
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| 06:31.54 | nevyn | 'we want a hardened system' && we need telnetd running |
| 06:31.59 | nevyn | or ftp |
| 06:32.00 | popc0rninj4 | Mhhh imok thanks for the help im interested in what a guy just say |
| 06:32.21 | popc0rninj4 | about iptables have a replacement ? |
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| 06:32.53 | popc0rninj4 | i only used openssh patched to ignore heart-bleed |
| 06:32.58 | popc0rninj4 | :) |
| 06:33.15 | fi_opWk | beepie: thank you, soon as I get back into gui, i'll add -backport to Debian8 v.m |
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| 06:34.08 | fi_opWk | im looking to start my vm from terminal session atm |
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| 06:35.03 | beepie | popc0rninj4, ssl was affected by heartbleed |
| 06:35.11 | beepie | popc0rninj4, ssh is something else :p |
| 06:35.29 | hyperborean | hi all |
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| 06:38.47 | fi_opWk | just strange |
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| 06:40.34 | TomTomTosch | hello. I have installed a new kernel on jessie: 4.4.0-rc8-amd64. Now I can't install the linux headers bcs of a missing depedency linux-compiler-gcc-5-x86. can someone give me a hint how to fix this? |
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| 06:41.20 | TomTomTosch | do i have to compile the needed gcc version from source? |
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| 06:42.19 | fi_opWk | what is your compiler version? |
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| 06:43.39 | TomTomTosch | 4.9.2 |
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| 06:45.43 | fi_opWk | apt-get |
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| 06:47.06 | TomTomTosch | only provides gcc-4.9 and gcc-6. would gcc-6 wor for me? |
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| 06:47.14 | TomTomTosch | *work |
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| 06:48.10 | fi_opWk | its recent so it should |
| 06:48.11 | towo^work | TomTomTosch, what debian version is that? |
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| 06:48.30 | towo^work | gcc-6 only exist in experimental |
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| 06:50.16 | TomTomTosch | i may have included experimental into my apt sources at some point.... |
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| 06:50.40 | TomTomTosch | it's jessie |
| 06:51.16 | fi_opWk | you may have? good idea to check 'cat /etc/share/sources.list' |
| 06:51.27 | TomTomTosch | it is included. |
| 06:51.32 | fi_opWk | mmk |
| 06:51.46 | towo^work | it's included for kernel 4.4. i think |
| 06:52.29 | towo^work | but why 4.4-rc instead of a stable kernel from jessie-backports? |
| 06:53.11 | fi_opWk | stable is lame |
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| 06:53.53 | TomTomTosch | hope for better compatibility with my hardware. |
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| 06:54.03 | TomTomTosch | should i move back? |
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| 06:54.41 | beepie | TomTomTosch, you using anything broadcom? |
| 06:54.44 | fi_opWk | TomTomTosch: if you're unsure, you can always include repos and comment them out |
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| 06:54.53 | beepie | TomTomTosch, some hardware will never be fully supported on linux |
| 06:55.24 | TomTomTosch | yes, i have a broadcom wifi chip and hope to lose the nonfree drivers. |
| 06:55.28 | redcheckers | visualizes broadcom at that phrase, then looks 2 lines higher and sees where beepie said broadcom. |
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| 06:56.15 | beepie | redcheckers, you gonna help out instead of picking your nose? |
| 06:56.21 | beepie | redcheckers, nosepicker. |
| 06:56.58 | beepie | lol |
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| 06:57.14 | beepie | TomTomTosch, there there i think we all know :) |
| 06:57.35 | fi_opWk | hey beepie is gedit included in -backport also? |
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| 06:58.15 | fi_opWk | Im in text mode, only google I have is for lynx-browser |
| 06:58.22 | waressearcher2 | is anyone here ? |
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| 06:58.57 | waressearcher2 | I have HDD 80GB samsung and it feels like it will not last very long, so I got USB flash drive 32GB and want to put most stuff on it but that is "read only" and leave stuff like logs and other configs that are changed from time to time on HDD, so first I moved entire /usr directory, because nothing in /usr is written by system right ? I mean if I |
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| 06:59.02 | waressearcher2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.02 | TomTomTosch | waressearcher2: that's a rathe philosophical question. |
| 06:59.07 | waressearcher2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:59.15 | waressearcher2 | TomTomTosch: what ? you allready read it ? |
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| 06:59.27 | TomTomTosch | no, nvm :P |
| 06:59.32 | fi_opWk | ah |
| 06:59.43 | fi_opWk | 'is anyone here' <<reference>> |
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| 07:00.03 | TomTomTosch | i'm gonna see myself out. |
| 07:00.21 | beepie | waressearcher2, things that you'll like to keep -> /var for any databases/websites/.. , /etc and /home |
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| 07:01.18 | fi_opWk | beepie: are you still looking? |
| 07:01.29 | waressearcher2 | so how about /lib /boot ? the question is what other directories other than /usr are not being written in by system itself ? like it always write something to /var but what about /lib /boot or others ? |
| 07:02.34 | beepie | fi_opWk, you shouldn't try to sound smart if the problem is that you don't know how to add apt sources -- you're obviously supposed to "add" the backports and not replace the "main" |
| 07:02.48 | beepie | !backports |
| 07:03.01 | beepie | meh dpkg is dry today |
| 07:03.13 | fi_opWk | beepie: im not on gui, nor am I lost about any packages. I just had a question |
| 07:03.26 | beepie | fi_opWk, well practice :) |
| 07:03.37 | waressearcher2 | when I run firefox from console it prints: "(process:28181): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion `sys_page_size == 0' failed" is it important ? what is it ? it says "CRITICAL" should I fix it ? |
| 07:03.41 | beepie | fi_opWk, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard << |
| 07:04.16 | fi_opWk | grr,... |
| 07:04.20 | fi_opWk | one sec |
| 07:04.38 | beepie | waressearcher2, iceweasal -- if you use "firefox" as a command it's either 1) you're no using debian and you're lying or 2) you downloaded the firefox tarball from mozilla and running thinking it is a "debian" problem which it really isn't |
| 07:04.55 | BenLue | im actually on debian Jessie, if i remove apache2 for php7 update the folder /var/www will gone? |
| 07:05.08 | waressearcher2 | beepie: I got tarball, you right |
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| 07:05.17 | waressearcher2 | beepie: because I wanted "fresh" stuff |
| 07:05.20 | beepie | waressearcher2, so it is not packaged by the debian project |
| 07:05.27 | waressearcher2 | beepie: you understand ? "fresh" stuff |
| 07:05.38 | beepie | waressearcher2, the debian package of firefox is "iceweasal" |
| 07:05.51 | beepie | waressearcher2, ./iceweasel |
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| 07:06.13 | waressearcher2 | so iceweasal is just repackaged firefox ? |
| 07:06.27 | beepie | yeah the "brand" name can't be used in debian for "trademark" reasons |
| 07:06.35 | waressearcher2 | is there iceweasal channel ? |
| 07:06.42 | beepie | same thing with "thunderbird" -> "icedove" |
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| 07:07.08 | waressearcher2 | isn't "i" at the begining of the word also trademarked ? |
| 07:07.20 | waressearcher2 | iCeweasal iCedove |
| 07:07.22 | beepie | it's only those two |
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| 07:07.52 | beepie | waressearcher2, it's been like this for over a decade |
| 07:08.15 | waressearcher2 | iceweasel and icedove are decade old ? |
| 07:08.36 | beepie | waressearcher2, well debian came out in 93, before you were born, so yeah ;-) |
| 07:09.09 | waressearcher2 | I think back in 93 was the first time I masturbated |
| 07:09.15 | beepie | !ops waressearcher2 trolling |
| 07:09.18 | beepie | :) |
| 07:09.25 | nevyn | it's about the first time I installed linux |
| 07:09.28 | waressearcher2 | !ops beepie is not helping |
| 07:09.38 | beepie | "waressearcher2> I think back in 93 was the first time I masturbated" |
| 07:09.45 | beepie | ^ ban waressearcher2 |
| 07:09.45 | beepie | thanks. |
| 07:09.53 | waressearcher2 | < beepie> before you were born |
| 07:10.01 | beepie | ignores waressearcher2 |
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| 07:10.24 | waressearcher2 | take off skin from beepie and throw him into salt |
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| 07:11.04 | TomTomTosch | that's rathe counterproductive... |
| 07:11.29 | TomTomTosch | he gave you the answer, didn't he? try using iceweasel. |
| 07:11.32 | beepie | TomTomTosch, yeah I know eh? he wants "debian" support for opensource tarballs. |
| 07:11.39 | waressearcher2 | TomTomTosch: are you hichichiccup ? |
| 07:12.16 | waressearcher2 | beepie: are you being paid ? why you care of its tarball or debian package ? |
| 07:12.26 | waressearcher2 | nothing going on here anyway |
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| 07:13.08 | waressearcher2 | why Jan Merdok abandoned debian project ? |
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| 07:15.06 | nevyn | who? |
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| 07:17.11 | beepie | nevyn, just ignore the troll |
| 07:17.20 | beepie | :) |
| 07:17.30 | waressearcher2 | nevyn: just kick the beepie |
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| 07:23.09 | bmoriarty | Trying to set my DPI correctly on my laptop... It defaults to 96, but my screen should be about 158. I set the DisplaySize in xorg.conf manually and it adjusted to 158, and now everything is HUGE. However I notice in my xorg log that the card sets it to 96 still.. Does xrandr/xorg/something else override what the video card sets it to? |
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| 07:23.45 | bmoriarty | In addition, everything is really big now, which makes me think I have my DPI too high, but I checked in multiple places and this is definitely the correct dpi for my screen. |
| 07:23.52 | beepie | bmoriarty, you have to calculate it, it's like a ratio number, DisplaySize -> means to calculate :) |
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| 07:24.31 | beepie | bmoriarty, i think you might be able to change the dpi with user sessions, not necessairly needing to alter xorg.conf |
| 07:24.44 | bmoriarty | beepie: that would be xrandr --dpi I think |
| 07:24.46 | beepie | bmoriarty, see xrandr --help |
| 07:24.51 | beepie | bmoriarty, yeah you tried that/ |
| 07:24.54 | beepie | bmoriarty, ? |
| 07:25.46 | beepie | bmoriarty, if it is that bad, then there must be something with the nvidia driver options to help on this |
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| 07:26.26 | beepie | bmoriarty, my suggestion is to comment-out DisplaySize in xorg.conf and try xrandr from user session |
| 07:26.38 | bmoriarty | Yes. My questions are - 1. I don't understand the initialization flow enough: Does Xorg correct the video card? I saw the driver set it to 96 in xorg log, but xdpyinfo tells me the correct values calculated from DisplaySize. Is this a mismatch between the driver and Xorg, or Xorg fixing it after boot |
| 07:26.51 | simonlnu | waressearcher2: you many wanna try the #windows channel. |
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| 07:27.28 | bmoriarty | and 2. Is everything being really large more likely me needing to lower my font sizes / scaling factors, or indicative of my dpi being too high |
| 07:30.04 | beepie | bmoriarty, i suppose you're using "nouveau" which is problematic with your gfx card -- possibly nvidia can work much better |
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| 07:30.24 | bmoriarty | I'm also not totally clear on my understanding of how I benefit from a higher DPI. My vague understanding is that >DPI/PPI = finer detail, making everything look better. So my perhaps naive thought is that if the DPI is lower, I'm not utilizing my screen to its full potential |
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| 07:30.25 | beepie | bmoriarty, usually imho it tends to (nvidia > nouveau ) |
| 07:30.36 | bmoriarty | beepie: I'm on intel graphics and using mesa |
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| 07:30.53 | bmoriarty | I think that's what it was called anyway |
| 07:31.01 | bmoriarty | or maybe I'm using intels driver, I don't remember |
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| 07:43.32 | de-facto | Hey does anyone got experience with cz.nic's knot dns? im thinking about using it for a dyndns server. they provide a debian repo at https://deb.knot-dns.cz/knot/dists/ |
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| 07:58.09 | Aebian | sudo apt-get purge nginx is not removigng nginx. the binary and some docs are still present. I tought the command would remove nginx and the config files. Is this a normal behavior? I'm using Jessie latest |
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| 08:02.36 | c-c | Aebian: perhaps you have multiple nginx or a compiled onw |
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| 08:04.46 | bongleger | Aebian: try to use `dpkg -S $YOUR-NGINX-BINARY` to see if it comes from another package. (AFAIK the package "nginx" doesn't contain the binary itself) |
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| 08:05.41 | bongleger | Aebian: you could also try to remove "nginx*" (but maybe you want to do a dryrun with "-s" first) |
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| 08:06.47 | Aebian | â ~ sudo dpkg -S /usr/sbin/nginx |
| 08:06.48 | Aebian | nginx-full: /usr/sbin/nginx |
| 08:07.19 | bongleger | so you should remove "nginx-full" to remove the binary |
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| 08:07.53 | Lyden | Why is Iceweasel crashing whenever I try to load a youtube video? |
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| 08:12.11 | BenLue | uhhhhm i was upgrading my php to v7 now php isnt working :/ Any ideas? |
| 08:12.19 | Aebian | bongleger: yes already did, thanks for the command |
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| 08:25.08 | Arone | hi , someone have a good tutoriel for build a web server with nginx ? |
| 08:25.13 | Arone | thanks |
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| 08:25.59 | towo^work | Arone, google will find many tutorials for that |
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| 08:26.56 | Arone | how to forge was better |
| 08:26.57 | Arone | :p |
| 08:26.59 | Arone | "https://www.howtoforge.com/installing-nginx-with-php5-fpm-and-mysql-on-ubuntu-14.04-lts-lemp" |
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| 08:45.34 | mifritscher | moin |
| 08:45.50 | beepie | mifritscher, hein? |
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| 08:46.40 | mifritscher | since a few days, I get regulary kernel oops in ext4 (http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?925227) - using jessie and in a kvm-vm. fsck is ok, I also get no messages about a broken hdd or so (neither in vm nor in host) |
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| 08:47.12 | FatB0yy | thanks for your help yesterday, I kinda forget to tick a box -.- sorted now, thanks. |
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| 08:56.27 | mifritscher | I can track it down to a directory with 45k entries |
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| 09:04.26 | roflc0pt3r | Hey all, anyone know how to fix postfix issue with sending mail, had a working config something went wrong, got it mailing now but when i receive it, the "to" field is empty and it's flagged as spam, any guidance? thanks (sorry for the brief and vagueness) |
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| 09:09.56 | mifritscher | is there a possibility to "force" fsck.ext4 to repair it automatically? |
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| 09:10.14 | mifritscher | it seems that I've a orken directory which caused >10k unconnected files |
| 09:10.24 | mifritscher | and I don't actually want to press enter all the time^^ |
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| 09:16.39 | well_laid_lawn | mifritscher: tried -f with the fsck ? |
| 09:17.00 | well_laid_lawn | man fsck.ext4 |
| 09:17.06 | mifritscher | -f is only for "force check" |
| 09:17.13 | well_laid_lawn | sure |
| 09:17.18 | mifritscher | I tried fsck -f -C0 -a |
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| 09:18.03 | well_laid_lawn | mifritscher: have a look at -p |
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| 09:18.56 | mifritscher | it said "rerun fsck aithout automatic repair (ie. without -a or -p options)" |
| 09:19.15 | well_laid_lawn | it might be a qcow issue ? |
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| 09:41.57 | TomTomTosch | if i want to downgrade my kernel to one i'e used earlier, do i only have to change the line in my grub config or do i have to do more? |
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| 09:46.43 | TomTomTosch | ah, nvm. figured it out. |
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| 10:27.24 | nephro | Guys, I've got a problem with gnome on jessie. From time to time the interface becomes unresponsive until I click around and do some right clicks. Anyone had this before? |
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| 11:53.18 | Bleakwise | I just heard. Dropping by to pay my respects, RIP Ian. I've always considered Debian the grand-daddy and upstream of the vast majority of Linux distros. The world will miss him. |
| 11:53.29 | Bleakwise | Because the world needs heroes. |
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| 11:56.05 | whatsfallout | Hello everyone, and happy new year. I have the following problem: "mail for subdomain.mydomain.com loops back to myself". Does any one knows why this happen? (I have postfix running) Could be a misconfiguration of the main.cf? |
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| 12:16.34 | MarcL | I need to syncronize Jessie with the swap, can someone help me? After an ubuntu installation on another partition it has modified the swap parameters |
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| 12:18.36 | leonarth | MarcL: you mean your box does not know where the swap is? |
| 12:19.56 | MarcL | leonarth, correct, and during the system start it needs almost 2 minutes to find without succees |
| 12:20.08 | leonarth | MarcL: type: blkid |
| 12:20.31 | leonarth | you should get an output showing which ID the swap has: /dev/sdb: UUID="f5fc3856-7b4a-4c68-9242-bea263ea952f" TYPE="swap" |
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| 12:21.19 | leonarth | copy that UUID and replace it in the /etc/fstab file |
| 12:21.42 | leonarth | example line in /etc/fstab: UUID=06fc9049-4332-4641-b1e3-e383c4dd56a2 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 12:27.30 | Shahrouz | hey |
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| 12:28.53 | hyperborean | hi all |
| 12:29.08 | Shahrouz | who can help me? |
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| 12:29.55 | MarcL | to access to the fstab is ok with: sudo nano /etc/fstab ? |
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| 12:30.38 | Shahrouz | Im looking for Iranian channels |
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| 12:30.51 | Shahrouz | ?? |
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| 12:33.25 | p0g0 | Shahrouz: a search of the channels ... oh well |
| 12:33.38 | p0g0 | patience is a virtue. |
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| 12:35.43 | john | hey all |
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| 12:35.55 | john | is there a better terminal browser than lynx? |
| 12:36.21 | john | There was a discussion a few days ago about alternatives, and since ive been using lynx all my life i thought maybe i should look at some others |
| 12:37.41 | woffs | links, links2, elinks, w3m |
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| 12:40.21 | cossin | i'm trying to get my bluetooth headphones to work, and when I go to the bluetooth preferences menu, i can't add or remove anything set |
| 12:40.33 | cossin | i have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and they work fine |
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| 12:41.19 | john | woffs - do you have a preference? |
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| 12:43.58 | nevyn | cossin: you can't pair them? |
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| 12:45.24 | cossin | nevyn: i'm using virtualbox, and the only thing that it pairs to is the host operating system for the virtual machine running linux |
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| 12:46.33 | jokoon | how do install intel graphic dricers ? |
| 12:46.36 | jokoon | drivers? |
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| 12:47.43 | karlpinc | jokoon: Depends on what drivers I suppose. There's the xserver-xorg-video-intel package. |
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| 12:47.53 | jokoon | how do I know if the drivers are isntalled or not by the way? |
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| 12:48.32 | karlpinc | jokoon: I use "aptitude search ~ivideo". There's plenty of other ways. |
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| 12:53.39 | jokoon | trying to find the command to know the name of my graphic chipset |
| 12:54.41 | woffs | john: lynx ;-) |
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| 12:55.02 | jokoon | lspci I guess |
| 12:55.07 | john | hehehe |
| 12:55.08 | john | ok |
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| 12:55.38 | woffs | john: just try them, some have great features (for instance tables) |
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| 13:03.55 | jokoon | karlpinc, what are other ways ? |
| 13:04.12 | jokoon | when I use this synaptic command I have plenty of drivers showing, even ATI |
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| 13:04.32 | jokoon | so it seems they're installed ? |
| 13:04.49 | jokoon | I have xserver-xorg-video-all with i and A |
| 13:05.07 | jokoon | does this show installed drivers ? |
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| 13:11.19 | jokoon | why is there so many stuff appearing when I just search for intell |
| 13:11.23 | jokoon | doesn't make sense |
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| 13:13.45 | tite12345 | Hi1 |
| 13:13.46 | tite12345 | Hi!* |
| 13:14.16 | tite12345 | How can I add a screen locker I downloaded from KDE Look? |
| 13:14.39 | tite12345 | Jessie user here and using only KDE - the one that came with Jessie. |
| 13:15.31 | john | Is there a way to boot right into the desktop and not get the username/password screen? |
| 13:15.41 | john | I like to live dangerously. |
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| 13:16.33 | MarcL | i have to paste the swap uuid result in the fstab. the result is: UUID="........................................" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="....................." Do I have to copy all that line or just UUID="...................." ??? |
| 13:16.43 | Ticho | john: check in configuration of the login manager you use, most of them support "autologin" feature |
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| 13:18.28 | Ticho | MarcL: only UUID=... instead of device path, rest is the same; you can type "man fstab" to see what format the file expects |
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| 13:19.20 | john | Ticho, im not sure what a login manager is - im using Cinemmon on the PC which needs the username/pass, but on my XFCE Debian machine theres a swexy click/drag screen, and the whole login thing is much prettier |
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| 13:21.32 | Ticho | john: login manager is the program responsible for displaying the graphical login prompt, along with whatever else is on the screen - choice of desktop environment, button for reboot, etc. |
| 13:22.20 | Ticho | john: I bet cinnamon has some way to configure the login manager, look for its "control panel" or however it's called |
| 13:22.26 | john | ok :) |
| 13:23.16 | Ticho | in KDE, it's called systemsettings, and it has a "Login Screen" section |
| 13:23.25 | Ticho | cinnamon probably has something similar |
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| 13:35.06 | tomthumb | No package in Debian for TMUX ? |
| 13:35.17 | teraflops | ? |
| 13:35.22 | N3sh108 | Hello there, I am having problems with my new Sharkoon mouse. |
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| 13:35.42 | tomthumb | root@DEBBIETOOLS:/home/eric# apt-get download tmux |
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| 13:35.43 | tomthumb | E: Unable to locate package tmux |
| 13:35.45 | N3sh108 | The only suggestion was to recompile the kernel modifying the HID_MAX_USAGES to 64K but that didn't work |
| 13:35.53 | teraflops | ,v tmux |
| 13:35.54 | judd | Package: tmux on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.6-2; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 1.8-3~bpo60+2; wheezy-backports: 1.9-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.9-6; jessie-backports: 2.1-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.1-3; sid: 2.1-3 |
| 13:36.18 | N3sh108 | I upgraded the system and followed this guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/232564/sharkoon-drakonia-gaming-mouse-doesnt-work-at-all |
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| 13:36.28 | tomthumb | so what do I type to get it? |
| 13:36.31 | N3sh108 | but the mouse is still not working, any other fix/workaround? |
| 13:36.41 | teraflops | tomthumb: youre kidding right? |
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| 13:37.12 | tomthumb | no is it called ? squeeze-security |
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| 13:37.16 | tomthumb | root@DEBBIETOOLS:/home/eric# apt-get download tmux |
| 13:37.20 | tomthumb | E: Unable to locate package tmux |
| 13:37.30 | N3sh108 | install? |
| 13:37.34 | N3sh108 | not download? |
| 13:37.39 | teraflops | download? |
| 13:37.41 | tomthumb | install does not work |
| 13:37.50 | tomthumb | download does not work |
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| 13:38.05 | tomthumb | no package |
| 13:38.08 | teraflops | tomthumb: good luck |
| 13:38.45 | tomthumb | thanks |
| 13:38.51 | tomthumb | you the best |
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| 13:39.04 | N3sh108 | how about: sudo apt-cache search tmux |
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| 13:43.16 | Filystyn | hello |
| 13:43.19 | Filystyn | i need to get |
| 13:43.22 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.38 | Filystyn | i downloaded with apt but it seems it's not this |
| 13:44.39 | N3sh108 | what do you get, Filystyn? |
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| 13:44.49 | Filystyn | what do you mena |
| 13:44.51 | Filystyn | mean |
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| 13:45.05 | N3sh108 | "it seems it's not this" |
| 13:45.07 | teraflops | which package did you download with apt? |
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| 13:45.30 | teraflops | 4:45:53 Filystyn ⸠i downloaded with apt -> which one? |
| 13:45.55 | Filystyn | libsdl1.2debian |
| 13:45.58 | Filystyn | it says |
| 13:46.03 | Filystyn | on apt-file i got it |
| 13:46.14 | N3sh108 | can you find it in your system? |
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| 13:46.20 | N3sh108 | if so, where is it? |
| 13:46.49 | teraflops | Filystyn: according to https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libsdl1.2debian/filelist the file is in there |
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| 13:47.17 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:47.32 | Filystyn | unfriendly ... |
| 13:47.38 | Filystyn | dfq |
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| 13:48.18 | N3sh108 | Filystyn: do this |
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| 13:48.28 | Filystyn | <doig> |
| 13:48.30 | N3sh108 | sudo find / -name "libSDL-1.2.so.0" |
| 13:48.32 | Filystyn | <doing> |
| 13:48.32 | teraflops | Filystyn: and that Dwarf_Fortress ... is from debian repos? |
| 13:48.46 | Filystyn | no ther eis no df in debian repos |
| 13:48.54 | Filystyn | you have to use dpkg hell |
| 13:48.57 | Filystyn | joke |
| 13:49.06 | Filystyn | you do not need to there is sh you just start |
| 13:49.10 | N3sh108 | https://askubuntu.com/questions/226613/how-do-i-run-dwarf-fortress |
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| 13:49.27 | teraflops | Filystyn: ah, so the problem is not debian related at all |
| 13:49.55 | Filystyn | it is debian related |
| 13:49.56 | teraflops | Filystyn: so fix the Dwarf_Fortress thing |
| 13:49.58 | teraflops | no |
| 13:49.59 | Filystyn | because im running debian here |
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| 13:50.12 | Filystyn | this is happening on debian system |
| 13:50.17 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 13:50.20 | teraflops | Filystyn: try harder |
| 13:50.26 | tite12345 | How can I change to splash screen in KDE? |
| 13:50.37 | tite12345 | It's the animation that happens after log in right? |
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| 13:51.28 | Ticho | Filystyn: the package is called libsdl1.2debian |
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| 13:52.04 | teraflops | Filystyn: go fix Dwarf_Fortress or ask the devels |
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| 13:53.59 | Filystyn | i runed apt-get build-dep |
| 13:54.10 | Filystyn | and it installe dsome more stuff |
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| 13:54.16 | ioudas^work | Anyone played with isc-dhcp fail over? I cant seem to get secondary/primary to come out of recovering. They dont work together yet I can telnet to each peer port.... they just stay in recovering. |
| 13:54.17 | Filystyn | for libsdl1,2debian |
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| 13:55.33 | Filystyn | still not werkin |
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| 13:57.53 | calinokali | Hello. |
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| 13:58.23 | calinokali | I want to stream video to from my server to my server and then display the stream from a web client also hosted on that server. Can this be done? |
| 13:58.24 | Filystyn | FIXED |
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| 14:02.32 | john | calinokali, you might need to re-write that last sentece |
| 14:02.40 | john | *sentence -_-; |
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| 14:10.56 | astran | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.07 | astran | Can anyoane help please ? |
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| 14:17.52 | Filystyn | guys how do i fix problem like this |
| 14:17.57 | Filystyn | libsdl-ttf2.0-0 |
| 14:18.13 | Filystyn | was renamed to sdl-ttf2.0 |
| 14:18.22 | Filystyn | and now one program doe snot see the first name i mentioned |
| 14:18.25 | Filystyn | HUH?! |
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| 14:19.26 | ioudas^work | Anyone played with isc-dhcp fail over? I cant seem to get secondary/primary to come out of recovering. They dont work together yet I can telnet to each peer port.... they just stay in recovering. |
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| 14:20.16 | Filystyn | ANYONE? |
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| 14:23.47 | calinokali | I want to stream video to from my server to my server and then display the stream from a web client also hosted on that server. Can this be done? |
| 14:25.03 | teraflops | i still don't understand what you want |
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| 14:25.25 | ioudas^work | yeah that question makes zero sense |
| 14:25.29 | teraflops | stream from the server to itself? |
| 14:26.12 | calinokali | I'm trying. I want to set up a stream that people can watch from a website hosted on the same server. |
| 14:26.20 | calinokali | Like, a video/audio stream |
| 14:26.27 | teraflops | calinokali: ah, better! |
| 14:26.52 | teraflops | calinokali: the source of the media is a file located in the server? |
| 14:26.57 | Mathisen | calinokali, set upp a web service for streaming then on server for example " subsonic " would work for you |
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| 14:27.47 | teraflops | calinokali: ffmpeg can do that directly, icecast is able too for audio/video |
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| 14:28.09 | calinokali | Hmm... I should look into icecast I suppose. |
| 14:28.49 | calinokali | Can it do a thing where like, a file is playing or something and then I want to |
| 14:29.03 | calinokali | like a radio station except with video |
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| 14:29.14 | teraflops | calinokali: if you mean VOD it can be done with icecast too |
| 14:29.41 | teraflops | calinokali: sure icecast is fine for stream audio |
| 14:31.15 | Filystyn | i fixed all |
| 14:31.18 | Filystyn | gsy I FIXED ALL |
| 14:31.20 | Filystyn | ;-) |
| 14:31.23 | Filystyn | THANK YOU FOR HELP PEOPLE |
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| 14:35.25 | calinokali | Gentlemen, we have just witnessed the second coming of Christ himself. It is an honour to have experienced HIS presence in this format. |
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| 14:35.53 | calinokali | Rejoice. Now and forever more all is fixed. |
| 14:36.42 | bazhang | calinokali, thats not really a debian issue |
| 14:36.54 | calinokali | yolo |
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| 14:37.15 | bazhang | ##religion calinokali |
| 14:37.19 | morf | wth |
| 14:37.44 | calinokali | I was being satirical, I apologise. |
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| 14:43.59 | teraflops | calinokali: hey I got your joke ;) |
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| 14:44.22 | teraflops | calinokali: it's just i was waiting for a ragequit |
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| 14:44.59 | teraflops | as in fu** you people I fixed it bymyself ;) |
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| 14:46.08 | calinokali | ahh |
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| 14:47.34 | calinokali | Icecast doesnt appear to work |
| 14:47.56 | edoardo | Icecast? |
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| 14:48.29 | Filystyn | guys how do i install skype on debian |
| 14:48.35 | Filystyn | i want stable not newest version |
| 14:48.42 | Filystyn | wnat to use apt-get ofc |
| 14:49.20 | bugnuts | im pretty sure apt-get uses only the stable release |
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| 14:49.34 | bugnuts | unless you add the testing repositorys |
| 14:49.35 | morf | Filystyn: there is no skype in debian packages |
| 14:49.46 | teraflops | calinokali: it's hard to help with an: Icecast doesnt appear to work |
| 14:50.05 | calinokali | Yeah, my other idea was to run a permanent twitch stream adn then just embed twitch... |
| 14:50.06 | bugnuts | sry.... im hopping across alot of distros |
| 14:50.07 | morf | Filystyn: please follow this guide https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 14:50.15 | calinokali | Well, I started the service and went to port :8000 but it times out. |
| 14:50.24 | calinokali | Not sure if that's because the raspberry is slow or if something else broke. |
| 14:50.28 | calinokali | Maybe it's interfering with apache |
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| 14:50.49 | bugnuts | apache should run on 80 and 443 |
| 14:50.53 | morf | calinokali: what are you trying to do again? |
| 14:50.54 | edoardo | calinokali: come on #icecast |
| 14:50.55 | Filystyn | so i have to download deb from skype site |
| 14:51.00 | Filystyn | wrr |
| 14:51.02 | Filystyn | <farts> |
| 14:51.15 | morf | what a nice person |
| 14:51.17 | Mathisen | why dont this work with just grep ??? " egrep -v "^$|^#|^;" /etc/samba/smb.conf " |
| 14:51.44 | edoardo | don't use skype |
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| 14:52.48 | morf | and if your surname starts with s..... just go f#*$% yourself pardon my french in this case |
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| 14:56.04 | ioudas^work | Anyone played with isc-dhcp fail over? I cant seem to get secondary/primary to come out of recovering. They dont work together yet I can telnet to each peer port.... they just stay in recovering. |
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| 14:56.46 | morf | Filystyn: sorry i thought you are somebody else named like you from country you are from |
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| 15:06.16 | ASMD | hello, can someone give repo size estimates for ubuntu/debian/fedora/centos/rhel/suse/archlinux ? |
| 15:06.32 | ASMD | is there website that keeps stats of repo sizes of different distros? |
| 15:07.02 | Filystyn | i cant install fucking skype |
| 15:07.08 | Filystyn | coz of dependencies |
| 15:07.11 | Filystyn | what noe |
| 15:07.19 | ASMD | "fucking skype", indeed, it sucks |
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| 15:07.31 | Filystyn | it should be in apt-get |
| 15:07.36 | Filystyn | so i would not suffer now |
| 15:07.38 | ongolaBoy | ASMD: hello. debian https://www.debian.org/mirror/size ; ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors#Releases_Statistics |
| 15:07.43 | ASMD | thanks |
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| 15:08.09 | BW^- | what's the nicest way to install Java on Debian? |
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| 15:08.34 | Filystyn | "problem with configs dependecies of skype, it depends on libasound2-plugins. |
| 15:08.38 | Filystyn | i have that installed |
| 15:08.54 | ASMD | 32bit libasound2 mayube |
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| 15:09.59 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell BW^- about install java |
| 15:10.21 | ASMD | btw archlinux has skype in repos AFAIK |
| 15:10.44 | ASMD | yes, it does |
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| 15:11.29 | Filystyn | REPAIRED |
| 15:11.32 | Filystyn | fucking repered |
| 15:11.36 | Filystyn | i did it with |
| 15:11.40 | Filystyn | apt-get install -f |
| 15:11.42 | Filystyn | SOOOO SMART |
| 15:11.49 | Filystyn | <nobels for filystyn> |
| 15:11.55 | Filystyn | God bless! |
| 15:12.02 | ASMD | :d |
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| 15:14.23 | edoardo | how to fix debian |
| 15:14.28 | edoardo | apt-get -f install |
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| 15:14.33 | edoardo | congrats you fixed debian |
| 15:14.41 | Filystyn | NOBEL HERE |
| 15:14.43 | Filystyn | NOBEL |
| 15:14.54 | edoardo | how to fix windows |
| 15:14.56 | edoardo | format c: |
| 15:15.00 | edoardo | congrats you fixed ur windows |
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| 15:19.16 | milwaukee | is there a way to modify the grub menu on a debian installer CD? I tried editing grub.cfg directly and then rebuilding the iso but the added entry didn't show up at boot |
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| 15:20.47 | zykotick9 | milwaukee: ahhh... i don't _think_ the install cd uses grub itself to boot. good luck. |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | milwaukee: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net, but not sure |
| 15:21.24 | ASMD | it uses isolinux or similar i guess? |
| 15:21.33 | zykotick9 | ASMD: i think so. |
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| 15:22.15 | jokoon | I have debian 7, the intel chipset driver is installed but I can't start an opengl 3.3 applciation, can I upgrade this driver ? |
| 15:22.31 | jokoon | maybe I can learn something with glxinfo ? |
| 15:22.56 | ASMD | chipset driver? you need the gpu drv or is it in the same bunch? |
| 15:22.59 | milwaukee | alright thanks, I'll give that a shot |
| 15:23.03 | abrotman | jokoon: why not Jessie? |
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| 15:23.24 | abrotman | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 15:23.25 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917-2; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2; experimental: 2:2.99.917+git20151217-1~exp1 |
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| 15:23.50 | abrotman | jokoon: You might have more luck with Jessie instead of Wheeezy |
| 15:24.08 | jokoon | how do I know which version of debian I have ? |
| 15:24.15 | abrotman | jokoon: lsb_release -a |
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| 15:25.02 | zykotick9 | finds "lsb_release -sd" shorter |
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| 15:25.20 | jokoon | abrotman, actually I do have debian 8 jessie |
| 15:25.26 | jokoon | 8.2 |
| 15:25.44 | jokoon | can I upgrade those drivers ? |
| 15:26.37 | abrotman | jokoon: see above, you may want to enable backports, see if tha tmight help |
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| 15:27.55 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 15:28.01 | tite12345 | How do I change the splash screen for KDE? |
| 15:28.09 | tite12345 | Using KDE 4 here |
| 15:28.12 | BW^- | zykotick9,*: is the Android SDK prepacked for Debian? |
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| 15:29.06 | Jazz0301 | Seems not |
| 15:29.38 | jokoon | how do I install a backport ? |
| 15:29.42 | zykotick9 | BW^-: i highly doubt it... but i wouldn't know... |
| 15:30.09 | milwaukee | anyone know if it's possible to modify the boot menu with isolinux? Looking back through it it seems like grub has a similar if not the same menu config(s) as isolinux |
| 15:30.27 | jokoon | deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main ? |
| 15:31.19 | jokoon | abrotman, I already have backports enabled |
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| 15:32.24 | zykotick9 | jokoon: fyi, packages don't automatically get updated from backports - you need to specify you want them. |
| 15:33.01 | jokoon | how do I do that? |
| 15:33.54 | jokoon | zykotick9, how do I specify that? |
| 15:34.27 | jokoon | -t backport |
| 15:34.32 | zykotick9 | jokoon: i'd suggest reading the documentation... it's something like ".. -t jessie-backports .. " |
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| 15:34.59 | zykotick9 | seldom uses backports himself |
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| 15:36.13 | jokoon | zykotick9, what do you mean ? why seldom? |
| 15:36.16 | zykotick9 | jokoon: you might want to check "/msg dpkg backports" for some links... |
| 15:37.01 | zykotick9 | jokoon: oh NOTHING wrong with backports - i just don't use them very often... i'm more likely to SSB something, that requires backports to be installed. |
| 15:37.29 | jokoon | I need them because my driver doesn't support opengl 3.3 |
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| 15:38.14 | jokoon | what are backports by the way ? are those software which are being approved for the next debian version? |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | probably more than just your driver |
| 15:38.18 | abrotman | !backports |
| 15:38.19 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 15:38.55 | jokoon | abrotman, I glxinfo and it tells me currently it only support opengl 3.0 |
| 15:39.12 | abrotman | probably need mesa libs also |
| 15:39.30 | jokoon | ... oh |
| 15:39.50 | jokoon | mmmh so I should uninstall those backports to try |
| 15:39.51 | jokoon | damn |
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| 15:41.23 | jokoon | how do remove it and install the jessie non backport one ? |
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| 15:42.02 | jokoon | apt get install without the -t jessie-backports |
| 15:42.04 | apt | ACTION fetches install without the -t jessie-backports |
| 15:42.04 | jokoon | ? |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | jokoon: you dn't have to remove, you just install the newer one |
| 15:42.28 | jokoon | it says it's already on the newest version |
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| 15:43.22 | abrotman | jokoon: don't uninstall the existing packages, just upgrade the ones you have if that's an option .. what's the ocmmand you're using? |
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| 15:44.00 | jokoon | abrotman, I first did sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel -t jessie-backports |
| 15:44.03 | greycat | I think he said he wants to downgrade from jessie-backports to jessie. |
| 15:44.05 | jokoon | It downloaded and worked |
| 15:44.19 | jokoon | Then I did sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 15:44.28 | jokoon | I told me xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version. |
| 15:44.48 | greycat | Did you try -t jessie? |
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| 15:44.52 | jokoon | greycat, yes exactly, I want to do to try wwith the mesa libs |
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| 15:45.01 | jokoon | greycat, yes |
| 15:45.04 | jokoon | oh no |
| 15:45.09 | jokoon | I meant no I did not try this |
| 15:45.25 | jokoon | same message |
| 15:45.31 | jokoon | already of the newest vesion |
| 15:45.45 | greycat | Then you probably have to remove it first. |
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| 15:46.20 | zykotick9 | jokoon: try "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel" what version is installed? the jessie or the backport version? my guess is the jessie one. |
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| 15:46.41 | jokoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.41 | jokoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.41 | jokoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.41 | jokoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.41 | jokoon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:46.54 | jokoon | sorry |
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| 15:47.33 | jokoon | means the backports is enabled |
| 15:47.56 | jokoon | zykotick9, can you confirm I should remove it ? |
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| 15:48.35 | zykotick9 | jokoon: i can't... i'm not clear what you are doing at this point... first you wanted to upgrade to backports, now you're trying to downgrade to jessie... |
| 15:49.00 | jokoon | I was told to install mesa instead of backport |
| 15:49.15 | zykotick9 | jokoon: actually they said "also" meaning both... |
| 15:49.17 | jokoon | oh you meant install backports AND mesa |
| 15:49.20 | jokoon | oh sorry |
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| 15:51.01 | jokoon | !backprots |
| 15:51.04 | jokoon | !backports |
| 15:51.05 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 15:51.59 | jokoon | I don't understand why I should isntall a backports, isn't debian 8.2 the latest version? does that mean the driver I'm installed is approved for release ? |
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| 15:52.31 | greycat | jessie-backports contains software that is currently in unstable or testing, but recompiled to work on jessie. It has no guarantees, and no security updates. |
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| 15:53.52 | zykotick9 | jokoon: once debian 8 for example is released, software doesn't get version updates (just security updates), backports is a way to get NEWER software than what was released at the time of Debian 8. |
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| 15:54.07 | jokoon | okay. by the way what is the difference between mesa and the intel driver ? |
| 15:54.38 | jokoon | are those 2 things driver, is mesa a lib and what is its purpose |
| 15:55.59 | greycat | read "dpkg --status libglu1-mesa:amd64" for details |
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| 15:56.23 | greycat | (or apt-cache show libglu1-mesa:amd64 if you didn't already install it) |
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| 15:56.52 | jokoon | it's just GLU |
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| 15:59.47 | johnfg | Hi folks |
| 15:59.56 | digidog | duh, I need to turn of highlighting *** in my chat programm (irssi) :-P) |
| 16:00.14 | johnfg | Haven't done anything more on the openoffice and related pkgs since I was here yesterday. |
| 16:01.12 | johnfg | As nothing shows up in any apt[itude] program except apt-get search openoffice, would it be safe just do delete what it found? |
| 16:01.28 | greycat | It's called libreoffice in jessie |
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| 16:01.54 | greycat | and you wanted apt-cache search openoffice |
| 16:02.29 | johnfg | greycat: that's what I meant. And I *have* libreoffice, and don't want these vestiges of the old openoffice. |
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| 16:08.59 | zykotick9 | digidog: you should find a "hilights =" line in your irssi config... but i'd suggest finding/joining the irssi channel for more specific support. good luck. |
| 16:10.51 | johnfg | I get a message when I check my mail in mutt, that it's unable to lock /var/mail/<user>. The permissions on /var/mail are fine, and i'm pretty sure I've got them right for user. |
| 16:11.02 | zykotick9 | johnfg: ahhh, "apt-cache search foo" is searching the archive, not what you have installed. try "dpkg -l | grep -i openoffice" for what you have installed on your system. |
| 16:11.04 | johnfg | How can I check what's the source of this problem? |
| 16:11.18 | johnfg | zykotick9: will do. |
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| 16:11.30 | digidog | zykotick9: thanks for your fast help, thats very kind of you! ... but yeah, I know ;-) I did this *** manually by myself for our team chat :-) I coupled it with beep.pl for better recognition and we use that for chatlog filtering. But we maybe should use another distinctive mark. |
| 16:11.31 | G66K | hello everyone |
| 16:11.58 | digidog | zykotick9++ |
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| 16:12.26 | G66K | im facing a problem i have just update my system and i got iec958 install which broke my sound |
| 16:12.34 | G66K | i was wondering how to remove it |
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| 16:15.19 | sinapsi | hi |
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| 16:15.38 | sinapsi | i have a strange problem: i can't find anymore my wireless network with my "debian laptop" |
| 16:15.46 | sinapsi | i see other networks, but not mine |
| 16:15.58 | sinapsi | i can see my network on windows and by mobile phone |
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| 16:16.45 | markybob | sinapsi, try connecting to "hidden wireless network" |
| 16:17.02 | sinapsi | markybob: tried :( |
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| 16:17.28 | markybob | sinapsi, tried rebooting the router? |
| 16:17.37 | sinapsi | yes |
| 16:17.41 | sinapsi | i resetted it, too |
| 16:17.52 | sinapsi | i still can't find it from debian |
| 16:18.00 | sinapsi | but i see other networks :O |
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| 16:18.59 | karlpinc | sinapsi: Can you see the router from other devices, like your cellphone? |
| 16:19.12 | sinapsi | karlpinc: yes |
| 16:20.25 | karlpinc | sinapsi: Anything in demsg or the logs? (That about exhausts my ideas.) |
| 16:20.33 | sinapsi | i tried to change the channel: iwconfig.. to the same channel of router |
| 16:20.34 | sinapsi | response: |
| 16:20.36 | sinapsi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:23.06 | johnfg | zykotick9: Seems like maybe most of those pkgs, but not all, are/were used by *both* openoffice & libreoffice. Guess I'll leave well enough alone for this. Thanks for the help. |
| 16:23.59 | abrotman | grr |
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| 16:26.51 | teraflops | sinapsi: how do you list the available wireless networks? seen your network before? |
| 16:27.12 | sinapsi | teraflops: yes, i seen my network before |
| 16:27.17 | sinapsi | i use nmapplet |
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| 16:27.24 | sinapsi | but also iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 16:28.19 | teraflops | sinapsi: changed from kernel, or something in the weireless ap? |
| 16:28.24 | teraflops | wireless* |
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| 16:29.30 | sinapsi | ok, i changed the channel on the ap |
| 16:29.32 | sinapsi | now i see it |
| 16:29.39 | teraflops | sinapsi: ^ |
| 16:29.55 | sinapsi | it was 'automatic' |
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| 16:30.46 | teraflops | sinapsi: so try to revert the change, or pick a fixed one supported in your country i guess |
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| 16:36.47 | Aebian | I love the workspace view on debian (gnome/cinnamon) is this also possible for windows? I have a second system that is running windows (sadly) but I woulkd love to have the workspace view on this also. (Workspace View = the one when you hit a hot corner) |
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| 16:37.37 | Brigo | Aebian, i heard to say windows 10 support it. |
| 16:37.53 | ioudas^work | Anyone played with isc-dhcp fail over? I cant seem to get secondary/primary to come out of recovering. They dont work together yet I can telnet to each peer port.... they just stay in recovering. |
| 16:37.59 | Brigo | Aebian, for older versions there is some application you can install, i heard to say too :) |
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| 16:38.14 | Aebian | Brigo: I got W10 I'll take a look |
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| 16:39.06 | Aebian | Brigo: yeah I think I have the feature. Just need to figure out how to stick it on a corner :D |
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| 16:47.01 | bighornram | I am running a headless machine and noticed when I did an updgrade that Iceweasel was being upgraded. I connect only remotely or by console to this machine only. I don't need a graphical environment on this machine. How can I clean this install up? I'm using stretch. |
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| 16:48.20 | greycat | Remove iceweasel if you don't want it. |
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| 16:48.25 | plubke_ | exit |
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| 16:51.05 | greycat | If you're asking "how can I remove every single X client program, even xauth", you can try removing libx11-6 |
| 16:51.13 | markybob | bighornram, honestly, if you're using testing, you should know how to remove unneeded software |
| 16:51.24 | greycat | That too. |
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| 18:00.09 | asnextage | should I reinstall debian for changing desktop or it can be by removing desktop and installing new one? |
| 18:00.12 | DammitJim | joining a debian server to a domain by samba, winbind, and krb5 doesn't mean I am using ldap for authentication when logging on to that server via ssh, right? |
| 18:00.42 | greycat | asnextage: try running tasksel as root |
| 18:01.00 | mtn | asnextage: you can have more than one at a time |
| 18:01.03 | Brigo | asnextage, you can install the new one and select it at login time. |
| 18:01.17 | DammitJim | it does use libldap-2.4-2 (OpenLDAP libaries) |
| 18:01.54 | asnextage | ok. then what happen about resources? will desks run over each other? |
| 18:02.14 | greycat | When you log in, only one desktop environment is selected. |
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| 18:02.41 | asnextage | greycat: thanksâ:) |
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| 18:06.20 | snow_richard | Hi |
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| 18:10.24 | tabakhase | how can i ignore a known-failed drive on boot? it loops complaining - when i press ctrl+alt+del it takes it, boots -- and directly starts a shutdown again :F (udev rules to skip are not havving the effect i need) |
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| 18:15.44 | jwaibel | can you boot into a recovery disc? |
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| 18:23.22 | glassresistor | who manages the flashplayer-nonfree package? |
| 18:23.59 | glassresistor | it seems like it would be a good idea to change it so that whenever flash is updated someone can trigger a reinstall of the package during updates |
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| 18:24.54 | glassresistor | effectively if someone just bumps the version everytime adobe releases it shouldn't require manual updates |
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| 18:34.24 | TomTomTosch | any idea why i cant change the resolution in my virtualbox? i did install all the guest extensions. |
| 18:34.48 | dimitry7 | I didn't know Ian Murdock passed away. My sincere condolences to all the Debian Community. |
| 18:34.50 | dimitry7 | Thank you. |
| 18:35.03 | dimitry7 | He will live forever in our hearts and in our memories. |
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| 18:37.25 | bazhang | oh so beautifully said dimitry7 |
| 18:37.43 | dimitry7 | bazhang, thank you. |
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| 18:39.17 | Bleakney | dimitry7 Well said, I was kind of shocked when I heard about the news and still am. R.I.P. Ian - without him, who knows whether we would be here right now, 1700 users... |
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| 18:39.58 | ioudas^work | Anyone played with isc-dhcp fail over? I cant seem to get secondary/primary to come out of recovering. They dont work together yet I can telnet to each peer port.... they just stay in recovering. |
| 18:40.59 | dimitry7 | Bleakney, that's so true! I've worked all my life with his project, Debian. I have feed myself and my family thanks to this great thing. So thank you Ian wherever you are, we'll all be there someday. |
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| 18:47.24 | tabakhase | jwaibel sorry didnt see the message - and yep im on recovery via KVM so i can do a lot |
| 18:47.43 | tabakhase | even droped the discs from the bios, still complains about sdd1 :F |
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| 18:50.56 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: The answer is probably, as usual, in the logs. |
| 18:51.48 | ioudas^work | yeah, ive stared at them. they never even get to normal state. |
| 18:51.55 | ioudas^work | unless i use omapi |
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| 19:00.15 | awal1 | Trying to lauch xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin under openbox via dmenu and terminal but it wont. Is that plugin only work with xfce4 panel? |
| 19:00.44 | WangDang_ | I just got a security email about openssl vulnerabilities, but when I do update; upgrade, openssl is not updated. Is that normal? Are the mirrors behind the security announce mailing list? |
| 19:00.47 | playmice | RIP Ian Murdock |
| 19:01.15 | morf | awal1: i think that's how it works |
| 19:01.40 | glassresistor | WangDang_: sometimes try again in say 10min? |
| 19:02.23 | greycat | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 19:02.23 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.23 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.40 | WangDang_ | interesting. OK, I'll wait a bit |
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| 19:02.50 | morf | awal1: the code says it depends on the xfce4 panel |
| 19:03.09 | WangDang_ | greycat: didn't happen on any of my three boxes... |
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| 19:03.36 | greycat | I got that just now on a wheezy box. Was the security announcement for wheezy, or jessie, or both? |
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| 19:04.10 | WangDang_ | greycat: I've already deleted the email, but I think it was for both wheezy and jessie |
| 19:04.32 | awal1 | morf: ok, thanks for your clarification! |
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| 19:05.06 | morf | WangDang_: greycat: is this it? https://www.debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3413 |
| 19:05.52 | morf | bottom is version / distro infos |
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| 19:06.10 | WangDang_ | morf: no that's an older one |
| 19:06.11 | karlpinc | WangDang_: I got those packages updated yesterday, or maybe the day before. Announcements are often done after releasing the fix, for obvious reasons. |
| 19:06.12 | greycat | already has 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2 |
| 19:06.46 | morf | well that's the last one about ssl |
| 19:07.04 | morf | or not |
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| 19:07.22 | morf | https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2016/msg00005.html |
| 19:07.34 | morf | here you go with the versiosn |
| 19:07.45 | WangDang_ | https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2016/msg00005.html |
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| 19:08.02 | WangDang_ | oops, you beat me to it :) |
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| 19:08.15 | greycat | For the stable distribution (jessie) ... this issue was already addressed in version 1.0.1f-1. |
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| 19:08.48 | WangDang_ | greycat: ah yes, I didn't read carefully enough. Thanks |
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| 19:17.27 | boodie | Hi (Jessie): I have a problem with user passwords: as I try (as root) to change any of them with 'passwd' , it asks me twice the current kerberos password, then I get a reply "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error", "passwd: password unchanged" ... any hints? |
| 19:17.53 | greycat | is *so* not a kerberos person |
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| 19:18.37 | morf | i thought you are more cat person |
| 19:19.00 | greycat | True, not a lot of 3-headed cats in mythology. |
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| 19:22.22 | junka | are debian pkgs build with PIE flag? |
| 19:22.39 | boodie | I found that it should be due to a discrepancy between /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow ... and pwconv should fix it. I tried it but nothing changed ... |
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| 19:24.13 | greycat | "found that it should be" or "found that in one case, this one guy had"? |
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| 19:24.51 | boodie | on an ubuntu forum: http://askubuntu.com/questions/57620/getting-an-authentication-token-manipulation-error-when-trying-to-change-my-us |
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| 19:25.33 | boodie | Considering that ubuntu is ubuntu & debian is debian ... |
| 19:25.50 | greycat | still has no answer for Kerberos questions, sorry |
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| 19:32.02 | smashway | Hi, I have a broken pipe problem when connecting from my mac to my debian box with ssh. /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd tells me PAM password authentication accepted for jm" then "mm_log_handler: write: broken pipe". I'm on an up-to-date wheezy, OpenSSH_6.0p1 debian-4+deb7u2, OpenSSL 1.0.1e |
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| 19:33.07 | rhizome | seems to be a lot of references to "mm_log_handler" in google that might be helpful |
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| 19:56.07 | awal1 | "/usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/apt-listchanges.mo" is where the messages show by apt-listchanges during upgrades are stored? |
| 19:56.16 | awal1 | shown ^ |
| 19:57.38 | awal1 | Sometimes there are dozens of messages displayed during upgrades by apt-listchanges but no time for learn them all. I want go back to them when I have time but I don't really know where they are stored, if stored |
| 19:57.50 | smashway | rhizome: thanks, but since I'm not a programmer all these references ring no bell to me :-/ maybe they're showing the way, but I can't even see it |
| 19:57.59 | greycat | awal1: /usr/share/doc/pkgname/ |
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| 19:59.31 | toogley | the .gbp.conf from the tool "git-buildpackage" should contain the output of gpg --fingerprint , after 2048R/ and before creation date, right? |
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| 19:59.58 | toogley | from the public key |
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| 20:00.09 | theseb | Help! How reset the "OS boot manager" on a laptop to be able to boot from |
| 20:00.09 | theseb | CD-R or USB stick?....This "OS boot manager" seems to override BIOS boot order. |
| 20:00.12 | theseb | Sound familiar to anyone? |
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| 20:00.43 | rhizome | smashway: a lot of them have to do with ssh usage and with similar use case and symptoms as you describe |
| 20:00.49 | greycat | You usually have to press some key during boot to get into a menu. It'll depend on the laptop. |
| 20:01.08 | awal1 | greycat: ok, thanks :) |
| 20:01.13 | awal1 | solved :) |
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| 20:02.08 | theseb | greycat: thanks...why do laptops have BIOS boot order and then also an OS boot manager to conflict?!? |
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| 20:02.28 | greycat | I don't know what you mean by "OS boot manager". |
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| 20:03.20 | Beastie33 | I have difficulties every night to watch porn, I can't manage to auto mute speakers when headphones are connected |
| 20:03.25 | Beastie33 | someone solved it? |
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| 20:03.40 | nkuttler | theseb: bios and bootloader complement each other |
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| 20:03.58 | nkuttler | theseb: why don't you just boot your cd/usb from bios? |
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| 20:07.49 | theseb | nkuttler: i set bios to do usb then CD....neither happens when i exit bios and reboot |
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| 20:08.08 | theseb | nkuttler: what exactly do you mean "boot...from bios"? |
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| 20:08.54 | nkuttler | theseb: that's.. unusual |
| 20:09.04 | nkuttler | theseb: is this some weird hardware? ancient? |
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| 20:09.34 | theseb | nkuttler: not really...hp 2000 laptop from walmart 1-2ish years ago |
| 20:09.39 | nkuttler | or is this "os boot manager" a firmware feature? |
| 20:09.46 | theseb | nkuttler: YES! |
| 20:09.48 | nkuttler | ugh |
| 20:09.57 | theseb | nkuttler: that damn firmware thing is the problem |
| 20:10.05 | theseb | nkuttler: not sure how to kill it or change it |
| 20:10.15 | nkuttler | yeah, no idea about that. never had an hp either |
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| 20:10.28 | nkuttler | theseb: sounds like something you should be able to disable in the bios though? |
| 20:10.41 | nkuttler | get the bios manual and check i guess |
| 20:11.06 | theseb | nkuttler: apparently bioses now have "insecure legacy" boot and EFFI (secure boot)..2 choices |
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| 20:11.23 | nkuttler | something like that, yeah |
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| 20:11.48 | theseb | uefi* |
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| 20:12.20 | nkuttler | if one doesn't work, try the other |
| 20:12.41 | nkuttler | theseb: some bioses are buggy that they can't boot everything from external devices |
| 20:12.44 | zinx | generally uefi has to be enabled, and you have to boot from it, to be able to properly install a uefi bootloader |
| 20:12.57 | nkuttler | e.g. i can't boot syslinux from my recentish lenovo |
| 20:12.59 | Amun_Ra | ,v hhvm |
| 20:13.00 | judd | Package: hhvm on amd64 -- sid: 3.11.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 3.11.0+dfsg-1 |
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| 20:13.34 | zinx | you will need at least debian jessie for uefi support, and you will need to write the image directly - not using any unneeded usb iso boot tools or whatever |
| 20:13.39 | nkuttler | theseb: what are you trying to boot anyway? |
| 20:13.55 | theseb | nkuttler: trying to install linux |
| 20:14.01 | nkuttler | oh |
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| 20:14.38 | nkuttler | fwiw, netboot is not sooo hard to set up.. before you fight the bios.. |
| 20:14.46 | zykotick9 | zinx: correct me if i'm wrong. live-debian does NOT support uefi right? |
| 20:15.01 | theseb | nkuttler: you plug a ethernet cable into laptop i assume for that...but then what? |
| 20:15.03 | ioudas^work | Anyone played with isc-dhcp fail over? I cant seem to get secondary/primary to come out of recovering. They dont work together yet I can telnet to each peer port.... they just stay in recovering. |
| 20:15.16 | theseb | nkuttler: i'm interested....may be my last resort |
| 20:15.20 | theseb | nkuttler: thanks btw |
| 20:15.24 | nkuttler | theseb: it's in the ig |
| 20:15.28 | zinx | zykotick9: i don't have any idea, tbqh |
| 20:15.37 | nkuttler | theseb: but you should try what zinx said |
| 20:15.37 | theseb | nkuttler: what is ig? |
| 20:15.40 | nkuttler | !ig |
| 20:15.41 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 20:15.48 | zykotick9 | zinx: doh. thanks anyways - was looking for confirmation. |
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| 20:16.05 | zinx | zykotick9: it has a much higher chance of working if you write the image directly, fwiw :P |
| 20:16.10 | nkuttler | theseb: you need another box on the network that serves the installer images, and some dhcp config |
| 20:16.26 | nkuttler | theseb: and your bios has to support it, obviously.. |
| 20:16.26 | smashway | rhizome: your google-fu is way better than mine, because searching for "mm_log_handler" mostly gives me source code files, bug reports and diff files... |
| 20:16.31 | zykotick9 | zinx: i think that's true in all cases, not just uefi ;) |
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| 20:17.38 | rhizome | smashway: you don't see anything like "ssh pubkey failing" or "sshd segfault" or "How to prevent 'Write Failed: broken pipe"? |
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| 20:21.01 | smashway | rhizome the "How to prevent 'Write Failed: broken pipe" doesn't apply to me because I can't even open a session, it disconnects me right away. for "ssh pubkey failing" I'm not on windows so I don't know how applicable this would be to osx, and "sshd segfault" doesn't have an answer to it... |
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| 20:22.49 | rhizome | well there's a lot more pages. just because it's not on the first page doesn't mean it's not relevant. |
| 20:23.04 | rhizome | i mean, it's gonna be *something* |
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| 20:27.53 | smashway | rhizome I agree, but on pages 2+ there's a lot of bug reports and stuff like that, and that's why I turned to you guys to check... |
| 20:27.58 | smashway | but thanks anyway :) |
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| 20:31.38 | rhizome | did you mean you were running ssh -vvv or actually -ddd? |
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| 20:32.12 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 20:32.26 | tite12345 | Could you guys tell me where I could find Debian jobs? |
| 20:32.28 | tite12345 | Newbie here |
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| 20:32.51 | tite12345 | I enjoy Debian and I wonder if it's hard to make money of it or something. |
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| 20:33.03 | tite12345 | Like is it hard to have a career with it? |
| 20:33.14 | tite12345 | Sorry for my English but I hope you get the gist. |
| 20:33.19 | nathan1 | hello, I've upated from debian wheezy to jessie but now I have a problem running eclipse, in particular each time I close a window (eg: help->install new software->close) I get a SIGSEGV and the following error log http://paste.debian.net/362433 could please somebody help me? |
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| 20:33.47 | rhizome | nathan1: maybe need to rebuild java or something |
| 20:34.09 | smashway | sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd to get the logs directly on the console |
| 20:34.19 | nathan1 | rhizome: java is icedtea-7-jdk from the jessie package |
| 20:34.29 | ioudas^work | Anyone played with isc-dhcp fail over? I cant seem to get secondary/primary to come out of recovering. They dont work together yet I can telnet to each peer port.... they just stay in recovering. |
| 20:35.21 | nathan1 | rhizome: I've also renamed .eclipse and workspace folders to reset to a clean status, but problem still happens |
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| 20:41.48 | jhutchins | ioudas^work: That would be very handy documentation when you figure it out. |
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| 20:42.02 | ioudas^work | Sounds like you think it doesnt work |
| 20:42.31 | jhutchins | ioudas^work: No reason why it shouldn't - it's a released production package. _Somebody_ got it working. |
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| 20:43.16 | ioudas^work | Lot of people with the same problem i see online, but maybe it does work |
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| 20:46.54 | greycat | In jessie, how do I make libreoffice (viewing a .xlsx file) show long numeric strings as "74000020" instead of "7E+007"? |
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| 20:51.07 | jhutchins | greycat: Cell format? |
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| 20:52.21 | greycat | I don't know what a cell format is. I just have a file that is emailed to me and I want to read it. |
| 20:53.33 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: Looked at the readme.debian? |
| 20:53.41 | karlpinc | !tell ioudas^work about readme.debian |
| 20:54.53 | ioudas^work | Nah |
| 20:55.59 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: Do you have to setup some keys or something? |
| 20:56.18 | ioudas^work | ive seen guides setup for omapi keys. but ive seen some guides that dont require |
| 20:56.29 | ioudas^work | according to the isc site it should work regardless of omapi |
| 20:56.40 | karlpinc | greycat: Cell format is in the format menu. You'd select a row or column or something and apply it. |
| 20:57.03 | greycat | karlpinc: there's no way to just run "libreoffice --no-stupid-shit filename.xlsx" and have it COME UP READABLE? |
| 20:57.15 | greycat | I am not the author of these files. I am just the recipient. |
| 20:58.38 | greycat | It looks like changing the column width from 0.88" to 0.92" works for at least this one column, but why do I have to do this by hand for every stupid column? |
| 20:58.48 | karlpinc | greycat: I suspect there is a way to make some sort of "look" and then give it in some arg. But I sure don't want to go there. |
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| 20:59.23 | karlpinc | greycat: Perhaps script it to dump a csv file and look at that. Or something. |
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| 20:59.54 | greycat | Ugh. /me adjusts the columns by hand then goes back to actually trying to read the numbers and use them for what they were intended for |
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| 21:01.48 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: If you want to interest someone in your problem you're going to have to supply config files, log output, and a description of what you're doing. Otherwise no one can really help. |
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| 21:02.23 | ioudas^work | fair enough karlpinc |
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| 21:03.36 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 21:03.36 | morf | greycat: if you want to waste your time with it, you can unzip the file, and process the xml of the sheets |
| 21:03.44 | tite12345 | If I put this on my /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:03.53 | morf | sounds like lot of fun |
| 21:04.00 | tite12345 | Will that mean that my system will not be entirely free anymore? |
| 21:04.08 | tite12345 | I just updated my system with that line by the way |
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| 21:04.25 | morf | also if you mark the cols you can change width of all selected |
| 21:04.31 | Bookman900 | Hi all. Who takes care here for trademarks? |
| 21:04.32 | tite12345 | I noticed that there was already a security line by default, but not including contrib non-free. |
| 21:04.36 | tite12345 | And so I appended that. |
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| 21:05.21 | morf | tite12345: just add the contrib / non-free to the original record |
| 21:05.40 | tite12345 | morf: I deleted the original one. |
| 21:06.01 | tite12345 | morf: But I'm sure what I just pasted now is the same as the original one. |
| 21:06.16 | tite12345 | morf: I did appended on the deb-src |
| 21:06.32 | tite12345 | There's two lines of that right? I appended on the second one. |
| 21:06.34 | tite12345 | :) |
| 21:07.03 | morf | tite12345: deb http://security.debian.org jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:07.17 | morf | seems right? np then? |
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| 21:09.30 | kallisti5 | anyone know if you can preseed a btrfs root filesystem over a raid? |
| 21:09.51 | kallisti5 | I can get the btrfs filesystems down on every device, just can't seem to raid it :-\ |
| 21:10.46 | karlpinc | tite12345: But yes, stuff in contrib and non-free are not entirely free. |
| 21:11.05 | morf | tite12345: i'm not using deb-src |
| 21:11.14 | morf | no need for me |
| 21:11.19 | karlpinc | tite12345: Just because they are in your sources.list does not mean that you've installed anything though. |
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| 21:12.23 | karlpinc | tite12345: See also the vrms package. |
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| 21:18.06 | tite12345 | karlpinc: That ain't accurate right lol :p |
| 21:18.16 | tite12345 | Gah |
| 21:18.23 | tite12345 | I was able to install vbox lol |
| 21:18.30 | tite12345 | That's a nonfree software right? |
| 21:19.33 | kallisti5 | hm... think i'll install to the first partition then grow it? that's super messy tho :-( |
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| 21:25.17 | tMH | hello everyone. any Korean speaking ppl here? Urgently seeking for help - to translate pair of words on image.. |
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| 21:32.56 | FXpro | whats a good matrix screen saver anyone can recommend for debian? |
| 21:33.24 | tite12345 | FXpro: Have you looked into Gnome Look or KDE Look website? |
| 21:33.40 | FXpro | I have not. |
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| 21:34.02 | tite12345 | FXpro: Which desktop environment are you using? |
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| 21:34.14 | FXpro | its mate I believe |
| 21:34.17 | tite12345 | Hmm |
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| 21:34.45 | tite12345 | Have you asked in #mate? |
| 21:35.06 | FXpro | I have not. its mate 1.8.1 |
| 21:35.15 | tite12345 | FXpro: You should join #mate |
| 21:35.22 | FXpro | ok |
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| 21:45.17 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 21:45.30 | tite12345 | Trying to copy files to customize grub |
| 21:45.37 | tite12345 | Following instructions here: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/GRUB2+gfxmenu+Breeze+styled+theme?content=174670 |
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| 21:45.46 | tite12345 | But I can't find the themes folder in /boot/grub |
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| 21:46.03 | tite12345 | The grub theme was also just updated lately. |
| 21:46.33 | tite12345 | Perhaps the themes folder in grub is now grub.cfg? |
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| 22:27.22 | vlmxs | wassup debians! :) |
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| 22:37.41 | Scriptonaut | Hey guys, when installing fonts, can I put them in subdirectories in the ~/.fonts/ directory? |
| 22:37.48 | Scriptonaut | or do I have to just pile all the ttf files in there |
| 22:37.56 | Scriptonaut | I want a bit of better visual orginization |
| 22:38.03 | Scriptonaut | so I can put things like ~/.fonts/Helvetica |
| 22:38.04 | Scriptonaut | etc |
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| 22:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Scriptonaut, why don't you try :) |
| 22:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | under wheezy, subdirs worked for me |
| 22:41.26 | Scriptonaut | thanks |
| 22:41.27 | Scriptonaut | for the tip |
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| 22:42.18 | marus | i want new install my desktop, and install debian jessie |
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| 22:42.53 | marus | i have backup my home folder, is that all? or do i have forget something? |
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| 22:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Scriptonaut, which reminds me to install symbola in ~ on the laptop |
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| 22:45.08 | Scriptonaut | :) |
| 22:45.17 | boodie | Hi (Jessie): I have a problem with user passwords: as I try (as root) to change any of them with 'passwd', it asks me twice the current kerberos password, then I get a reply "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error", "passwd: password unchanged" ...any hints? |
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| 22:54.43 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 22:54.53 | tite12345 | What bootsplash does KDE use? |
| 22:54.59 | tite12345 | Using Jessie here |
| 22:55.58 | tite12345 | Is it Plymouth? |
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| 22:57.10 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:57.18 | lenswipe | is there a way to set the default sound output device on debian? |
| 22:57.33 | lenswipe | when i start my machine it defaults to the first one on the list which is wrong |
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| 22:58.47 | gnat_x | hi folks, i'm working on a debian based router. the task at hand was sending one of the LAN's subnets through one ISP and another subnet through a different ISP. thanks to the great documentation at lartc i was able to get that working. it all has to do with ip routes, rules, and tables. what i want to do now is make those changes persist. |
| 22:58.59 | gnat_x | what's the debian way of doing that? |
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| 22:59.16 | gnat_x | is it ifup/ifdown scripts pointed to from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:59.32 | gnat_x | can i put the rules right in the interfaces file? |
| 22:59.40 | gnat_x | is there some good doc i can read on this topic? |
| 23:00.20 | gnat_x | lenswipe: what subsytem are you using (eg pulse, alsa) |
| 23:01.16 | boodie | Hi: how can I identify the id of a user? |
| 23:01.43 | lenswipe | gnat_x, pulise i believe |
| 23:01.48 | lenswipe | gnat_x, how do i find out? |
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| 23:02.12 | gnat_x | lenswipe: i'm guessing pulse. try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/145135/set-default-sound-device-output |
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| 23:03.12 | gnat_x | lenswipe: if pactl stat show nothing, you are not using pulse. |
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| 23:05.26 | gnat_x | i guess another way to phrase my question, in /etc/network/interfaces does post-up route or rule == ip route or rule? |
| 23:05.58 | lenswipe | gnat_x, this looks like the card i want to use: https://gist.github.com/robertmain/8e02443473611179bca5 how do i tell it which output to set as the default? |
| 23:06.24 | lenswipe | i got that output from pactl list |
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| 23:06.39 | filantropo | hi |
| 23:06.54 | filantropo | alguien habla español aqui?? |
| 23:07.25 | lenswipe | gnat_x, on the other hand, I don't see digital SPDIF out on that list so maybe that's not what i want...I'm so confused O_o |
| 23:07.35 | filantropo | alguien habla español aqui?? |
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| 23:14.50 | awal1 | Why open source devs are almost focused in linux not en hurd? |
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| 23:16.02 | Adiga | hello |
| 23:16.37 | awal1 | Adiga: hi. any problem you have with your debian system? |
| 23:16.37 | Adiga | i have Debian GNU/Linux 7.9 (wheezy) |
| 23:16.43 | caen23 | hi, i'm running debian inside vmware fusion, in a bridged network connection. i'm trying to get ipv6 to work, but can't seem to. here's `ip addr` and `ping6` http://paste.lisp.org/display/304778 |
| 23:16.47 | lenswipe | awal1, why do some people like chocolate cake? |
| 23:17.03 | Adiga | i ned to run geoip package |
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| 23:17.16 | Adiga | what is the package |
| 23:17.16 | Adiga | [00:57] <Adiga> where |
| 23:17.17 | caen23 | on the host (os x), i get ipv6 without additional configuration (other than router). is there anything else i need to do on debian? |
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| 23:17.52 | awal1 | lenswipe: inappropriate comparison , but anyway, forget it. My question was maybe offtopic |
| 23:18.01 | Adiga | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.01 | lenswipe | awal1, my point was the answer to both is something along the lines of "because they do" |
| 23:19.10 | lenswipe | anyway nvm |
| 23:19.43 | vvande | awal1: good topic for #debian-offtopic but my thought would be because so many people are basically GUI oriented. |
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| 23:20.05 | Adiga | hello |
| 23:20.19 | vvande | hello :) |
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| 23:20.32 | boodie | Hi (Jessie): I have a problem with user passwords: as I try (as root) to change any of them with 'passwd', it asks me twice the current kerberos password, then I get a reply "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error", "passwd: password unchanged" ...any hints? |
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| 23:22.25 | awal1 | Adiga: that depends on what you want to do with geoip stuffs? |
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| 23:22.57 | Adiga | https://github.com/NikosPapakonstantinou/inspircd-extras/blob/master/2.0/m_geoipban.cpp |
| 23:23.07 | Adiga | i need to run that |
| 23:23.23 | Adiga | model on my server |
| 23:23.33 | Adiga | m_geoipban.cpp |
| 23:23.39 | awal1 | boodie: you do passwd username ? |
| 23:23.52 | boodie | Exactly |
| 23:23.59 | Adiga | when i run it it say |
| 23:24.13 | Adiga | An error occured when executing: g++ -o modules/m_geoipban.so -pipe -fPIC -DPIC -pedantic -Woverloaded-virtual -Wshadow -Wformat=2 -Wmissing-format-attribute -Wall -O2 -g1 -Iinclude -DMODNAME=m_geoipban.so -fPIC -shared -rdynamic /home/adiga/inspircd-2.0.20/src/modules/m_geoipban.cpp |
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| 23:24.44 | Adiga | src/modules/m_geoipban.cpp:21:19: fatal error: GeoIP.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:24.52 | Adiga | that's all |
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| 23:25.51 | VsyachePuz | what the command "sudo apt-get install gentoo" does? |
| 23:25.56 | tite12345 | Adiga: Hi, do you know how I could change my bootsplash screen in KDE? |
| 23:25.59 | boodie | According to some threads, problem is / is mounted readonly; according to others, it's kerberos not letting me change the users with a certain id ... problem is I've no idea of what kerberos is and why I have it |
| 23:26.07 | tite12345 | Want to install this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Windows+7+Lookalike+Plymouth+Theme?content=128652 |
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| 23:26.27 | morf | VsyachePuz: install file manager called gentoo |
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| 23:27.03 | VsyachePuz | morf: is it possible to intall portage? |
| 23:27.35 | Scriptonaut | lol, wait, there's a file manager called gentoo? |
| 23:27.48 | awal1 | tete12345: via system config you can do that |
| 23:28.00 | morf | yes |
| 23:28.02 | gnat_x | there appears to be: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gentoo |
| 23:28.06 | awal1 | I no remember how its called in kde |
| 23:28.18 | morf | and it's not confusing at all name distro same as default file commander or whatever |
| 23:28.36 | Adiga | awal1 |
| 23:28.58 | gnat_x | morf: are you suggesting there is name space collision in free software? ;-P |
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| 23:29.17 | morf | VsyachePuz: i can't recommend you to do that; also emerge is gentoo thing, so you should i guess ask on gentoo channel ( but here is some info https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=28559&highlight=portage+another ) |
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| 23:29.48 | morf | gnat_x: oh well let's call everything the thing |
| 23:30.03 | gnat_x | votes for calling all things "node" |
| 23:30.07 | gnat_x | there's already a head start. |
| 23:30.12 | awal1 | Adiga: in this channel 'silence' almost means 'I have no idea', or 'I have no enough knowledge on what you ask for guide you ' |
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| 23:31.14 | Adiga | i dont know that info |
| 23:31.36 | Adiga | and thenks for your suport |
| 23:32.05 | awal1 | Adiga: be patient, you may get help later, maybe someone is searching about that ... |
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| 23:32.23 | Adiga | u dont know the geoip package that i need to instul |
| 23:32.26 | Adiga | ok |
| 23:32.31 | morf | Adiga: apt-get install libgeoip-dev |
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| 23:32.56 | Adiga | that package |
| 23:33.04 | awal1 | Adiga: apt-cache/aptitude search geoip and you get pistes |
| 23:33.10 | morf | awal1: be fair, ppl are trying to help if they can, it's not like they would get paid for giving advices here :/ |
| 23:33.13 | VsyachePuz | morf: I expect something like package with name "apt-get install portage-prefix" which should configure gentoo-prefix for debian |
| 23:33.31 | awal1 | morf: sure |
| 23:33.48 | morf | VsyachePuz: i'm sorry, it's simply not debian |
| 23:34.00 | Adiga | ok |
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| 23:34.02 | boodie | Hi (Jessie): I am unable to change any user password: as I try (as root) to change any of them with 'passwd [user]', it asks me twice the current kerberos (??) password, then I get a reply "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error", "passwd: password unchanged" ...any hints? What is kerberos and why I have it at all? |
| 23:34.05 | Adiga | :) |
| 23:34.20 | awal1 | all is voluntary here, I know, morf |
| 23:34.55 | vlmxs | exit |
| 23:35.34 | morf | Adiga: yes the header file is in the pkg |
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| 23:35.49 | awal1 | boodie: are you trying to do that under gnome3? |
| 23:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | boodie, you can pretty much forget about kerberos... some pretty complicated auth protocol that exists for ages... |
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| 23:36.53 | dimitry7 | CutMeOwnThroat, Why you don't like kerberos? |
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| 23:37.08 | dimitry7 | * Why don't you... |
| 23:37.31 | boodie | awal1: no, XFCE |
| 23:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dimitry7, it's extremely unlikely to be relevant to his problem |
| 23:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | boodie, are you trying to change another user's password as root or... ? |
| 23:38.27 | dimitry7 | CutMeOwnThroat, ohh.. but talking about kerberos, I've never used it, is it really necessary? |
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| 23:39.20 | boodie | CutMeOwnThroat: I am trying to change another user's password as root ... |
| 23:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dimitry7, and... I don't like it because it's (AFAIR) pretty complicated ... I never had the patience to undrestand it. and also as far as I remember it isn't overly practical in daily use |
| 23:39.50 | dimitry7 | CutMeOwnThroat, okay, what's a better option instead? |
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| 23:41.01 | awal1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I hade similar issues being in gnome session several time using gui mode, and solved that being in Console (tty) thats why I asked if gnome. |
| 23:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just tried it on my jessie ... no problem |
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| 23:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | awal1, I don't see how gnome would interact with passwd, though |
| 23:43.29 | boodie | But what is kerberos? I fear that I was asked during installation whether I wanted to use the kerberos authentication, and I said yes (thinking that it would have improved security) ... |
| 23:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | although there is some pretty weird new(ish) stuff |
| 23:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | boodie, as I said... some authentification protocol |
| 23:44.27 | awal1 | Yes, it does via gnome settings manager, or I dont know how it's called now |
| 23:44.32 | boodie | But does it involve an external server? |
| 23:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | using some challenge-response scheme or so |
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| 23:47.09 | vvande | https://uit.stanford.edu/service/kerberos/install_debian |
| 23:47.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, my connection is too flakey |
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| 23:48.28 | anabain | I need a workaround for this (apparently) insolvable problem: from the server, before shutting it down, how to tell the client that a mounted NFSv3 file share using automounter gets unmounted in order to avoid client system hanging. Is there anything that can be done with a script o whatever at the server before shutting down? Here is something that could be used as a start point: |
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| 23:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dimitry7, what's wrong with normal passwords... or ssh public/private keys? |
| 23:49.34 | dimitry7 | strong authentication, only |
| 23:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's not strong about ssh keys? |
| 23:49.50 | anabain | http://serverfault.com/questions/56588/unmount-a-nfs-mount-where-the-nfs-server-has-disappeared (user conny's answer). Then, one possible solution would be putting these commands in a script that somehow (here's where you come, hopefully) is triggered by the server before it is shut down. Any ideas? (I'm running systemd on all boxes) |
| 23:49.54 | dimitry7 | what's wrong is that all of them can be weak |
| 23:50.08 | dimitry7 | but if we use 4096 we're all safe |
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| 23:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... disconnect any network from your computer, disconnect any power... dig a big hole, at least 3-4m deep , put computer in, fill hole with concrete... and your computer will be secure... most probably |
| 23:53.01 | javajawa | (for now) |
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| 23:56.48 | VsyachePuz | CutMeOwnThroat: no defense agains direct metheorite hit |
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| 23:57.01 | teraflops | tunguskazo |
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| 23:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | VsyachePuz, well, at least nobody else will have your data |
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| 23:59.21 | boodie | Anyway: I tried (as root) to change the password of a user with 'passwd [user]' from a shell ... no success, still the kerberos problem. How can I fix the problem? I want to improve my passwords because they are weak, and I can't |