| 00:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | boodie, look at pam configuration in /etc/pam* ... |
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| 00:01.16 | boodie | in /etc/pam.d/c ?ommon-password |
| 00:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | boodie, possibly something like that can give you some idea: find /etc/pam.* -type f -exec grep kerberos {} + |
| 00:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might not be called kerberors, but krb or somesuch, though |
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| 00:03.13 | boodie | Where can I paste it? |
| 00:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was meant for you to look at, not for us |
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| 00:05.20 | boodie | ok; in the file "/etc/pam.d/common-password", the 1st line says: password [success=3 default=ignore] pam_krb5.so minimum_uid=1000 ... |
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| 00:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | because... it'll not as such give the full information |
| 00:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | laptop has: password[success=1 default=ignore]pam_unix.so obscure sha512 |
| 00:07.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | then one line with password requisite, then one with password required and then one pwd-optional line with the gnome keyring |
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| 00:08.36 | boodie | I found a forum where it suggests to change the 1st line into pam_krb5.so minimum_uid=10000 (ten thousand instead of 1 thousand) ... is it risky to do so? |
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| 00:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could switch it to the line I have? |
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| 00:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or get another working pam config |
| 00:09.47 | boodie | It seems that all the uid's I am trying to modify the password are 1001, 1002, 1003 ... can it be the reason why it blocks it? |
| 00:10.18 | e3 | Hello, I am a debian old stable user. I am using Gnome desktop in combination with Awesome Wm. This morning, I started my laptop and everything was fine. After a reboot, the second display only runs the mode of 640 480. Can somebody help me? I am thankful for every evidence. |
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| 00:12.37 | anabain | what is the best book for debian (or linux) administration? |
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| 00:14.35 | themill | !debian-handbook |
| 00:14.36 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
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| 00:17.01 | anabain | thanks |
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| 00:17.58 | boodie | Ok; this is my /etc/pam.d/common-password : http://paste.debian.net/362493/ |
| 00:18.23 | boodie | What can happen if I commented out the 1st line? |
| 00:20.10 | Spec | you'd disable pam_krb5 (kerberos auth) presumably |
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| 00:20.54 | boodie | Any foreseeable risks? |
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| 00:23.34 | boodie | I access cups from some win laptops ... could it be that samba maybe require kerberos (am I talking nonsense here)? |
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| 00:27.56 | boodie | It seems that kerberos has to do with microsoft interoparability https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742516.aspx ... |
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| 01:09.21 | durant | Linux is really hard to use |
| 01:10.20 | Beastie33 | is not hard |
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| 01:10.28 | Beastie33 | is like when you started with windows |
| 01:10.36 | Beastie33 | well,at least debian is not hard,slackware is hard |
| 01:10.52 | durant | I am using gentoo |
| 01:10.54 | morf | different != hard |
| 01:11.00 | morf | oh well |
| 01:11.05 | morf | lol then ok it's hard |
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| 01:11.20 | Beastie33 | gentoo is hard |
| 01:11.21 | morf | happy compiling ;) |
| 01:11.35 | dvs | !be a gentoo barbie |
| 01:11.36 | dpkg | Aww, gentoo is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs |
| 01:12.11 | Beastie33 | debian does everything for u |
| 01:15.45 | Aebian | is it possible to force a sudo password always on a specific command? |
| 01:16.05 | Aebian | even if the command was run before and now gets re-run |
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| 01:21.53 | jetscreamer | as you were |
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| 01:23.41 | c-c | Aebian: you could alias |
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| 01:25.11 | durant | How do you upgrade the kernel in debian |
| 01:25.53 | dvs | !tell durant about bpo |
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| 01:57.49 | keepguessing | I am on debian 8 |
| 01:58.00 | keepguessing | how do I know that memory accounting is enabled or not. |
| 01:58.13 | keepguessing | I want to verify and not enable it. |
| 01:58.39 | beepie | ? |
| 01:58.47 | beepie | you mean like "swap" ? |
| 01:58.54 | keepguessing | beepie: cgroups |
| 01:59.03 | dvs | beepie: I think he means storage |
| 01:59.23 | keepguessing | resource limit for memory like we can limit cpu |
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| 02:00.56 | keepguessing | ok found it. |
| 02:01.12 | keepguessing | I can look at the mount output and see if the cgroup was mounted. |
| 02:01.19 | keepguessing | thanks :-) |
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| 02:01.37 | beepie | keepguessing, i suppose if you do "mount" it would show cgroup entries |
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| 02:02.22 | beepie | keepguessing, i think systemd automounts them |
| 02:02.38 | beepie | ok you found the mount does it |
| 02:02.49 | keepguessing | beepie: no it does not. we have to enable it in grub |
| 02:03.13 | keepguessing | by default it disable it for some backward comp reasons. not sure why exactly :-) |
| 02:03.31 | keepguessing | but one has to enable it with cgroup_enable=memory in cgroups |
| 02:03.39 | keepguessing | s/cgroups/grub |
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| 02:04.23 | keepguessing | yes mount would let me know if a cgroup for mount was enabled or not. |
| 02:05.04 | guampa | is there a bot in this channel to query about what pkg provides some file? |
| 02:05.23 | wulllst | hey there, i'm working the Debian Wiki's article on Openbox and have come across minor language problems. first, i was wondering, if the term "shortkey" for keyboard shortcut is at all appropriate or should be considered a bad habit of speaking/writing sloppy. |
| 02:05.39 | beepie | keepguessing, i can see that systemd-cgroups-agent is part of the systemd package |
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| 02:07.01 | beepie | wulllst, yeah :) -- it should be "shortcut key" :) |
| 02:07.18 | beepie | wulllst, it is sloppy |
| 02:08.00 | beepie | wulllst, though anyone can edit the wiki, it's not official revised documentation as you get with debian's release notes |
| 02:08.09 | keepguessing | wulllst: its shortcut for shortcut key :P |
| 02:09.04 | wulllst | beepie: but keyboard shortcut would be alright as well, wouldn't it. or is that a bit, well... stiff? |
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| 02:09.16 | beepie | wulllst, that sounds fine |
| 02:09.32 | wulllst | beepie: ok. |
| 02:09.35 | beepie | wulllst, i think people like to have the vocabulary a little laid back with wikis |
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| 02:09.54 | beepie | wulllst, keyboard shortcut sounds vernacular for teaching computers :) |
| 02:10.26 | beepie | wulllst, so yeah it does sound a bit too strict for most who'd be reading it |
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| 02:11.06 | beepie | wulllst, i mean it is "proper" english, but I think most people know that a shortcut key implies keyboard ;) |
| 02:11.39 | wulllst | beepie: ok. i'll think about it. |
| 02:11.42 | keepguessing | beepie: the word "key" signifies keyboard keys. |
| 02:13.59 | wulllst | my second question is: when i want to tell somebody that openbox can be configured to run a certain command from a shortcut, i say, for example: running gimp can be bound to a shortcut - right? |
| 02:14.32 | wulllst | now, how do you say, that it can be "bound to" a panel icon as well? |
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| 02:17.14 | beepie | wulllst, sounds legible |
| 02:17.27 | beepie | well i'd use the word "binded" |
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| 02:17.50 | Nazara | Is it known that iceweasel-43 in testing is near unusable? |
| 02:17.56 | beepie | but you're saying "running gimp" so that implies you already applied the shortcut |
| 02:18.25 | wulllst | beepie: well execution of the command i bound to the shortcut, i'd say. |
| 02:18.42 | keepguessing | to launch gimp you can use the shortcut |
| 02:18.49 | keepguessing | wulllst: ^^^ |
| 02:18.53 | beepie | wulllst, so you can say - executing gimp can be binded to a shortcut |
| 02:19.20 | keepguessing | beepie: I think "launch" gimp is a better word. |
| 02:19.21 | beepie | wulllst, running comes "late" after execution, so the word launch or execute is more close |
| 02:19.24 | wulllst | keepguessing: i guessed that sounds a bit funny, but i like it. |
| 02:19.37 | keepguessing | wulllst: keepguessing :-) |
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| 02:20.20 | wulllst | beepie: but what is "binded"? is that official grammer? |
| 02:20.49 | keepguessing | you can "create" a shortcut key |
| 02:20.50 | beepie | wulllst, well that's what the programs use , they bind keys :) |
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| 02:21.10 | beepie | wulllst, the users bind keys for specific computer things |
| 02:21.19 | beepie | wulllst, bound keys is not good english |
| 02:21.28 | wulllst | beepie: but if you bind something, then it's bound, isn't it? |
| 02:21.50 | beepie | wulllst, well here lol |
| 02:21.56 | beepie | wulllst, it is past tense of bind |
| 02:22.01 | beepie | wulllst, so yeah you can use it |
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| 02:22.05 | wulllst | beepie: i mean, i'm not a native speaker, but afaik "binded" does not exist. |
| 02:22.08 | wulllst | beepie: ok. |
| 02:22.17 | beepie | wulllst, snuck vs sneaked |
| 02:22.34 | beepie | wulllst, past tense of "sneak" -- though it depends on the vernacularity of the technical audience |
| 02:22.53 | beepie | wulllst, i prefer using the word "bind" though i think you can get away with it using bound |
| 02:23.01 | wulllst | beepie: ok, i see. |
| 02:23.53 | beepie | wulllst, see this-> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bind |
| 02:24.01 | beepie | wulllst, "Can be confused Expand |
| 02:24.01 | beepie | bind, bound." XD |
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| 02:24.16 | Spec | snuck is informal |
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| 02:24.59 | Spec | hehe, if the unbound resolver was named unbinded |
| 02:25.12 | beepie | Spec, yep, but i don't think wikis in general are of high formality :) |
| 02:25.33 | beepie | Spec, i gave the example of writing past tense in two forms |
| 02:25.47 | Spec | i don't think binded is a word |
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| 02:26.47 | wulllst | beepie: ok, so it would be "bound to an icon" as well. could i also say "put on an icon", because that is approx how you would say it in german (logically). |
| 02:27.43 | beepie | yeah commonly i see it in present tense in form "bind" |
| 02:28.07 | beepie | though it is "confusing" even the dictionary site mentions that it is XD |
| 02:28.26 | beepie | bound sounds like "bounce" |
| 02:28.59 | beepie | -> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bounce?s=t -- see "bound" on here as a noun |
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| 02:29.23 | beepie | or like a "limit" of some math equation :) |
| 02:29.28 | beepie | bound/boundaries |
| 02:29.29 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Does anyone know if I can add the Debian logo to a font to be distribted under a BSD-ish license? |
| 02:29.53 | beepie | wulllst, i'd still use the word 'bind' and maybe try to rephrase that into present tense |
| 02:30.00 | beepie | wulllst, but this is me :) |
| 02:30.31 | nname31 | hello |
| 02:30.34 | nname31 | have any trick to can download example vlc application for offline pc with all Packages Related? |
| 02:30.38 | nname31 | i find this link |
| 02:30.40 | nname31 | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/vlc |
| 02:30.42 | nname31 | but thiis method want one-one download all Packages Related for application |
| 02:30.44 | nname31 | ?-?-? |
| 02:30.46 | nname31 | thx |
| 02:30.48 | wulllst | beepie: i'm just using bound because the sentence is passive. |
| 02:30.50 | keepguessing | rbanffy: find out the license for Debian logo |
| 02:31.09 | beepie | "Bounded is the past tense and past participle of the verb bound" |
| 02:31.12 | beepie | http://grammarist.com/usage/bound-bounded/ |
| 02:31.35 | wulllst | nname31: you could check the output of apt-get build-dep |
| 02:31.38 | beepie | wulllst, i think it's why it's avoided because it is a confusing word to use |
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| 02:32.09 | wulllst | nname31: i mean apt-get build-dep vlc. |
| 02:32.22 | rbanffy | keepguessing, thanks. It seems the option to license it under CC BY-SA 3.0 is BSD-compatible. |
| 02:33.17 | keepguessing | rbanffy: awesome. |
| 02:33.44 | wulllst | beepie: ok, but what about "put on an icon"? |
| 02:34.27 | beepie | wulllst, put an icon? what's the full sentence? |
| 02:34.43 | beepie | wulllst, usually the word place is used to describe mouse/keyboard interactions with objects |
| 02:34.51 | beepie | wulllst, (when moving something) |
| 02:35.12 | beepie | wulllst, or gestures -- like "drag", "drop", ... |
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| 02:35.42 | wulllst | beepie: ok, then it's not a good idea. maybe i'll read around the net a little and see what phrases are used in other docs and wikis. |
| 02:36.06 | nname31 | i take output |
| 02:36.14 | nname31 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:36.17 | nname31 | Building dependency tree |
| 02:36.19 | nname31 | Reading state information... Done |
| 02:36.21 | nname31 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:36.23 | nname31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.25 | nname31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.27 | nname31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.29 | nname31 | E: Build-dependencies for vlc could not be satisfied. |
| 02:36.31 | wulllst | nname31: this is not a good idea. |
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| 02:36.57 | BigPoppa | does anybody know how to run safari 9 in debian linux? i need to do some web dev testing |
| 02:37.07 | wulllst | nname31: i mean, please don't paste your terminal output in here like that. it's confusing. |
| 02:37.10 | beepie | wulllst, i think having "shortkey" is permissible as computer slang -- though shortcut sounds more computer literate |
| 02:37.40 | wulllst | beepie: and we all want to apear literate, don't we? |
| 02:37.57 | wulllst | nname31: you can use paste.debian.net for these things, for example |
| 02:38.16 | nname31 | http://paste.debian.net/362563/ |
| 02:38.37 | beepie | wulllst, there's probably a guide-rule on describing what words to use best for the wiki -- though I think such guidelines are like this for the debian's official documents |
| 02:38.37 | nname31 | sorry i am new in irc |
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| 02:39.18 | beepie | wulllst, there's consistency guidelines for linux documentation, if there isn't one for the debian wiki well there should! :) |
| 02:39.25 | wulllst | nname31: ok, you should best include the command you executed in the things you paste. |
| 02:39.33 | wulllst | beepie: where can i find that? |
| 02:40.11 | wulllst | beepie: well, i'll have a look around. |
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| 02:40.57 | beepie | wulllst, apparently there isn't, see here https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide |
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| 02:41.23 | beepie | wulllst, it's a laissez-faire -- though i think it's because nobody really wants to bother revising all kinds of anonymous edits |
| 02:41.25 | wulllst | beepie: yes, i've been there a couple of times |
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| 02:41.36 | beepie | wulllst, says "Q) Wouldn't the wiki be more useful if it was better organized? |
| 02:41.36 | beepie | A) Possibly, but a structured wiki is largely a contradiction in terms. It's more important to give it good content." |
| 02:42.17 | beepie | wulllst, it references foldoc https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Content |
| 02:42.33 | beepie | wulllst, so the terms by convention should be already defined in the foldoc dictionary |
| 02:42.44 | wulllst | beepie: ok, i'll check that. |
| 02:42.51 | beepie | wulllst, there is no match for shortkey :) |
| 02:42.56 | beepie | wulllst, ( http://foldoc.org/shortkey ) |
| 02:43.17 | beepie | wulllst, so if someone notices you changed "their" editorial you can point to these references as to why you justified the change |
| 02:44.15 | wulllst | beepie: well, i mostly struggle with writing stuff for the openbox page at the moment, so i'm actaully not going around, fixing terms right now. but it's good to know. |
| 02:44.58 | beepie | wulllst, thats ok, but you know it's good if anyone does fix up a word here or there -- it helps and keeps a consistency across the wiki pages |
| 02:45.12 | wulllst | nname31: are you still up and running? if so, forget about apt-get build-dep. |
| 02:45.13 | beepie | wulllst, thanks |
| 02:45.27 | wulllst | beepie: yes, i sometimes do it for the pages that border onto my topic. |
| 02:46.08 | nname31 | ok |
| 02:46.28 | wulllst | nname31: check apt-get show vlc. all dependencies are listed there. |
| 02:46.35 | beepie | nname31, try apt-get update, and apt-get install vlc |
| 02:46.59 | wulllst | beepie: i think he's trying to pre-download it for an offline machine |
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| 02:47.39 | nname31 | yes for offline pc |
| 02:47.56 | beepie | nname31, well you can use apt-get download <package> :p |
| 02:48.15 | beepie | though i suppose it'll also download dependency .debs in the current directory you issue that apt-get command |
| 02:48.55 | beepie | nname31, easiest is to setup a debian system, and then clone it |
| 02:49.03 | beepie | (vbox for eg) |
| 02:49.27 | beepie | P2V or V2P , linux is very easy to clone |
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| 02:52.08 | wulllst | nname31: well, i have another idea that i a bit amateurish. |
| 02:53.19 | nname31 | why no :) |
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| 02:54.30 | wulllst | nname31: you should be able to do it with apt-get -d somehow. |
| 02:54.50 | wulllst | nname31: probably there's a neat howto somewhere on the web |
| 02:55.51 | wulllst | nname31: or, if you have a broadband connection to the internet, you could simply download the complete debian release and burn it on cds. |
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| 02:56.47 | nname31 | ok, thanks :) |
| 02:57.43 | wulllst | nname31: but you could check before, if you need them all. |
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| 02:59.43 | wulllst | nname31: check debians website. there it says that, on the first dvd, you will find everything needed for a standard debian installation. maybe vlc is in there. i don't know. |
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| 03:52.38 | awal1 | Any official/nice work around for close vlc to system tray? |
| 03:53.32 | awal1 | minimize it to system stray when clicking in close button instead of closing it |
| 03:54.54 | awal1 | i no understand how one of the biggest open source audio/video player doesn't have similat feature |
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| 03:55.30 | awal1 | similar ^ |
| 03:55.32 | morf | awal1: well it's not exactly debian problem; however if you click on systray icon it will "close" to systray |
| 03:57.52 | awal1 | morf, I know it's not a specific debian "issue", but wondering if any deb user have a work around. and yes, clic on systray icon does the job, but would be great if it close to systray and then be able to do that with keyboard shortcuts... |
| 03:57.52 | morf | awal1: you can also remove it from taskbar by right click on systray ... click on remove from taskbar |
| 03:58.59 | awal1 | i knew that :P |
| 03:59.18 | awal1 | know ^ |
| 03:59.58 | morf | ;) |
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| 04:26.32 | Kirito | Could I safely (and relatively easily) install gcc 4.8 on a Debian 7 install? Or would I need to upgrade for that? |
| 04:26.54 | peterrooney | ,v gcc-4 |
| 04:26.55 | judd | No package named 'gcc-4' was found in amd64. |
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| 04:27.26 | Kirito | gcc 4.8 is in jessie, 4.7 is the latest available in wheezy |
| 04:27.31 | peterrooney | ,v gcc-4.8 |
| 04:27.32 | judd | Package: gcc-4.8 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.8.4-1; sid: 4.8.5-3; stretch: 4.8.5-3 |
| 04:27.58 | peterrooney | grumbles against typo gremlins |
| 04:28.38 | Kirito | I'm going to be moving to a new server sometime soon, which will have Debian Jessie installed on it, so if not I'm not really concerned, I can hold off on it |
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