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| 00:02.37 | i_am_four | hello? |
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| 00:02.54 | maid | can somebody tell me why find on my debian is really really bad? |
| 00:03.03 | ikonia | your find ? |
| 00:03.14 | ikonia | what does that mean ? |
| 00:03.36 | Filystyn | bash find is terrible |
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| 00:03.53 | Filystyn | you would be better of writing your own program for that |
| 00:03.55 | maid | find path |
| 00:03.57 | Filystyn | (as i did) |
| 00:04.03 | maid | or find file |
| 00:04.05 | ikonia | maid: your find path ? |
| 00:04.06 | Filystyn | find path -name shit |
| 00:04.08 | Filystyn | try this maid |
| 00:04.14 | ikonia | maid: what is the the command you are actually running |
| 00:04.16 | maid | doesnt work |
| 00:04.17 | ruehrkuchen | woho, samba works fine with debian, never noticed that, now we can shutdown 1 small windows server that only provided file services, woho that's cool |
| 00:04.30 | i_am_four | can someone answer a quick CUPS question for me? |
| 00:04.33 | Filystyn | find is terrible |
| 00:04.37 | Filystyn | agreed |
| 00:05.04 | ruehrkuchen | and faster than windows samba :O |
| 00:05.17 | i_am_four | ? |
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| 00:05.47 | Filystyn | ask |
| 00:05.52 | Filystyn | i am four |
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| 00:06.25 | i_am_four | So i got CUPS runnig on a Debian server |
| 00:06.36 | i_am_four | port 631 open on my router |
| 00:06.39 | MeatHammer | beepie: SHAAZAM! it worked. had to be disable=1 and now its running at 54g |
| 00:07.02 | beepie | MeatHammer, interesting |
| 00:07.09 | i_am_four | Printer is a Samsung ML1675. The driver i have installed on that linux machine is ML1670 series driver |
| 00:07.12 | beepie | MeatHammer, but you sure you tried =0 ? |
| 00:07.26 | beepie | MeatHammer, tell me if the firmware file has been loading properly :) |
| 00:07.34 | awal1 | https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/libav-provider/ffmpeg What is done in the technical side, in the system when Debian project chooses ffmpeg instead of libav* or vice-versa? |
| 00:07.44 | beepie | MeatHammer, it all paid off well if it works -- because newer kernel usually means better performance |
| 00:07.57 | beepie | MeatHammer, hopefully it's way more than 400k/second |
| 00:08.00 | beepie | MeatHammer, :) |
| 00:08.12 | i_am_four | im trying to print something from a Windows 7 PC. I went add printer->add network printer->entered url->installed Samsung Universal driver 2 |
| 00:08.38 | beepie | MeatHammer, thanks for getting back to me, it helps me to keep notes here on potential workstations |
| 00:08.44 | MeatHammer | beepie: it is loading correctly according to "dmesg|grep firmware "? |
| 00:08.56 | MeatHammer | sorry that waas not a question |
| 00:08.58 | beepie | MeatHammer, geez that seemed so easy.. but still you needed to have that firmware file installed as well.. |
| 00:09.24 | MeatHammer | it is in fact loading the firmware. I didnt try 0. lemme see what hapens when i switch to 5g |
| 00:09.28 | beepie | MeatHammer, i mean at least "easy" from me being able to do it.. because i'm already familar with modprobe.d |
| 00:09.28 | ruehrkuchen | thank you very much debianers! :D |
| 00:09.32 | i_am_four | when i installed it, i asked Windows to senda test sheet. the printer makes noise, lights flash but thats it |
| 00:09.53 | i_am_four | i can print easily from the linux machine |
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| 00:10.24 | i_am_four | When i print from the windows 7 machine over the network, the job shows up in the print queue as completed but the printer does not, no noise, no lights |
| 00:10.25 | MeatHammer | hrmm 5g is also capped at 54 |
| 00:10.31 | i_am_four | Anyone know what could be the problem? |
| 00:10.35 | MeatHammer | maybe I will try 0, just for fun |
| 00:10.45 | Filystyn | Filystyn wait man |
| 00:10.55 | Filystyn | cups + windows??? |
| 00:11.05 | Filystyn | i thought cups is linux lol |
| 00:11.07 | Filystyn | :) |
| 00:11.25 | ruehrkuchen | isn't that a printer agent? |
| 00:11.34 | Filystyn | no idea man no idea |
| 00:11.39 | MeatHammer | beepie: gonna try 0 and see what happens, altho i suggest u read the very last message in that ubuntu thread u posted |
| 00:11.55 | i_am_four | CUPS is on my debian machine running a print server, trying to print from my windows 7 machine |
| 00:11.57 | MeatHammer | "its cuz it wasnt plugged in" |
| 00:12.30 | i_am_four | Any ideas on where to start troubleshooting? |
| 00:13.34 | piklu | I would like to share with you "youare.live" |
| 00:13.48 | piklu | it is a p2p based video call and file share system under dev |
| 00:14.05 | piklu | if some of you will give it a shot and give us feedback it wil be great |
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| 00:14.16 | piklu | "https://youare.live" |
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| 00:14.35 | ikonia | I'd appreciate you not spamming that stuff |
| 00:15.13 | juul | piklu: and where the hell is the source? are you spamming proprietary stuff? that's double-hell for you my friend |
| 00:15.30 | piklu | no, the source is on webpage, it is all javascript |
| 00:15.46 | juul | where is the source download |
| 00:15.47 | ikonia | it's not really anything to do with debian/linux though |
| 00:15.54 | piklu | its browser p2p download |
| 00:16.01 | ikonia | so probably not for this channel |
| 00:16.02 | juul | what is the license? |
| 00:16.06 | ruehrkuchen | right click -> view source ... seriously? javascript can be encrypted too (i think) |
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| 00:16.22 | piklu | no, encryption there |
| 00:16.41 | piklu | I felt like sharing with community - thats all. I am sorry if some of you feel like that. without a strong feedback from smart people we can't make it |
| 00:16.43 | ruehrkuchen | source? git? sourceforge? svn? |
| 00:16.55 | piklu | ruehrkuchen: right click -> view source |
| 00:16.58 | piklu | thats all. |
| 00:17.01 | ruehrkuchen | lol |
| 00:17.12 | juul | piklu: what's the license? |
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| 00:17.25 | piklu | juul : what sort of license should i add ? |
| 00:17.31 | piklu | you mean GPL> |
| 00:17.31 | ruehrkuchen | ... |
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| 00:17.38 | ikonia | this isn't anything to do with debian |
| 00:17.44 | ikonia | maybe go to some web channel, or fsf |
| 00:17.47 | juul | piklu: yes, and put it on github or something, then maybe someone will give a shit |
| 00:17.52 | piklu | ok |
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| 00:18.02 | piklu | give me a licensing guide |
| 00:18.03 | ruehrkuchen | i'd choose a source before i public a project as open source :) |
| 00:18.05 | Filystyn | juul i think you wanted to say give a shoot yes? |
| 00:18.10 | i_am_four | Anyone? |
| 00:18.23 | ruehrkuchen | *license |
| 00:19.04 | piklu | it is not public, under dev, but works better than skype calls, I felt like sharing to a close handful people. so I did it here |
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| 00:19.17 | Filystyn | piklu good thing you did it |
| 00:19.43 | ruehrkuchen | "it is not public", but you said it's open source |
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| 00:20.05 | juul | piklu: release often, release early. no one will believe it is actually open source until you publish it with license in an easily re-usable form, until then we will believe that it will never be open source |
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| 00:20.28 | piklu | juul : Got it |
| 00:20.47 | piklu | but if I have feedback from couple of people I will feel whether its worth it |
| 00:20.51 | MeatHammer | beepie: HOLY COW. disable=0 seems to also fix it, and its uncapped running at 144 or so! |
| 00:20.56 | piklu | there could be many tools for voice calls. |
| 00:20.59 | beepie | XD |
| 00:21.09 | ikonia | piklu: not spamming channels with it would also be apprecaited, more so when it's nothing to do with the channels topics |
| 00:21.13 | Filystyn | zaraz coÅ rozpierdole xD |
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| 00:21.20 | macrobat | !cups |
| 00:21.20 | piklu | ikonia: accepted |
| 00:21.20 | dpkg | CUPS (formerly Common Unix Printing System) provides a portable printing layer for Unix-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/faq.php http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:21.34 | beepie | MeatHammer, did you have to turn off the laptop and then power it back on? Some poor hardware requires doing a poweroff than reboot for properly working |
| 00:21.36 | ruehrkuchen | !samba |
| 00:21.36 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 00:21.43 | Filystyn | !dpkg |
| 00:21.44 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 00:21.44 | beepie | MeatHammer, is it random? |
| 00:21.52 | ruehrkuchen | don't prove it :D |
| 00:21.56 | beepie | MeatHammer, if you reboot 3 times, does the wifi work on each instance? |
| 00:22.10 | MeatHammer | beepie: no. it was flat not working after i used that backported firmware |
| 00:22.11 | beepie | MeatHammer, find this out, if it is the case, then i suppose you can try to toggle another item |
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| 00:22.28 | beepie | MeatHammer, so you're using back to the 0.43 ? |
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| 00:22.43 | MeatHammer | nope |
| 00:22.46 | beepie | MeatHammer, the kernel is still 4+ ? |
| 00:22.47 | MeatHammer | we changed that |
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| 00:22.50 | MeatHammer | yup 4.3 |
| 00:22.59 | beepie | MeatHammer, ok so you say "it was flat not working after i used that backported firmware" |
| 00:23.04 | beepie | MeatHammer, confused me |
| 00:23.05 | ruehrkuchen | what's the corename of debian 9? |
| 00:23.06 | beepie | :P |
| 00:23.09 | ruehrkuchen | *codename |
| 00:23.23 | beepie | MeatHammer, ok so you've kept everything updated |
| 00:23.31 | MeatHammer | yeah when I firs tcame in here, we tried using an older driver and added the repo for it? contrib non free etc |
| 00:23.37 | ruehrkuchen | can't wait for debian 10, haha |
| 00:23.39 | beepie | MeatHammer, you should do further tests -- albeit simple -- it-ll require reboots to make sure |
| 00:23.57 | beepie | MeatHammer, try this -> reboot and see if wifi still works -- and power on/off and see if wifi still works |
| 00:24.13 | beepie | MeatHammer, if it is random then there's possibly something else you can toggle or just go back to the lower speed |
| 00:24.37 | MeatHammer | lol ok, well I came in here with a different problem, that involves debian, tomatousb, and CIFS. In the process of fixing that, I d say well be putting the connection thru its paces and can see if intermiteent |
| 00:24.37 | beepie | MeatHammer, (try in 3x cycle) -- so it'll take a couple minutes of testing |
| 00:24.43 | ruehrkuchen | MeatHammer, beepie: and maybe hibernate the computer wake up |
| 00:25.01 | beepie | MeatHammer, how fast do files transfer? |
| 00:25.19 | beepie | MeatHammer, you divide 8 from the MBbyte and that gives an idea |
| 00:25.20 | MeatHammer | beepie: thats my problem. everything downloads hella fast, but my NAS is slow as hell |
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| 00:25.34 | MeatHammer | beepie: i know about bits vs bytes man common! |
| 00:25.51 | beepie | MeatHammer, so if it is 200 MB -- divide that by 8 .. it won't ever go that fast but it'd be around 70-80 percent that speed |
| 00:25.53 | MeatHammer | i think it has to do with file locking or something |
| 00:26.05 | MeatHammer | buddy im talking 200kbps |
| 00:26.18 | ruehrkuchen | b/g/n? |
| 00:26.24 | beepie | MeatHammer, 200MBps |
| 00:26.28 | MeatHammer | i get 5mb by windows |
| 00:26.50 | beepie | MeatHammer, so you should get (simple ftp) about 17 megs/second |
| 00:26.51 | MeatHammer | ya take a deep breath 5mb. its usb 2.0 SMB share running thru my router |
| 00:27.00 | beepie | MeatHammer, your windows is considered slow for 200mbps :) |
| 00:27.10 | ruehrkuchen | 802.11n? |
| 00:27.38 | MeatHammer | beepie: bite your tongue cuz debian is terrible on this and i gotta fix it. windows 5mb is astounding. |
| 00:27.51 | beepie | MeatHammer, depending on how large/sophisticateed the encryption key, it'll be slower of course -- but you should be able to clock ~>10MB/sec |
| 00:27.58 | ruehrkuchen | 802.11n? :D |
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| 00:28.08 | MeatHammer | beepie: i like your ambition. lets do it!! :D |
| 00:28.08 | beepie | MeatHammer, but on windows that's not the ideal speed either.. |
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| 00:28.18 | beepie | MeatHammer, that is not N speeds :) |
| 00:28.28 | MeatHammer | ok lemme see what kinda speed i get now |
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| 00:28.42 | ruehrkuchen | waits for answer |
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| 00:29.00 | MeatHammer | ruehrkuchen: n |
| 00:29.06 | beepie | MeatHammer, oh you're transferring over usb, yeah definitely latency over there -- you should test over sata drives :) |
| 00:29.27 | cafuego | your wifi speed will also depend on your neighbours |
| 00:29.27 | beepie | MeatHammer, but better than what you had previously... |
| 00:29.33 | ruehrkuchen | though 802.11n can only 150 MBit/s? |
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| 00:29.36 | beepie | MeatHammer, I hope you're clocking at least 2 megs /sec |
| 00:29.37 | MeatHammer | beepie: im not a milliomnaire man. im upgrading to usb 3 on my router switching to r7000 |
| 00:30.02 | beepie | ruehrkuchen, 150 it is? still that would be over 10meg/sec |
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| 00:30.26 | MeatHammer | now I have the nas mounted locally., is that a factor? |
| 00:30.52 | MeatHammer | i mean mapped to a directory |
| 00:30.53 | beepie | MeatHammer, try google speed test :p |
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| 00:31.08 | MeatHammer | beepie: beta.speedtest.net but yeah |
| 00:31.10 | beepie | MeatHammer, that won't be as fast as the LAN.. but still |
| 00:31.47 | ruehrkuchen | wifi will never beat lan |
| 00:32.07 | cafuego | ruehrkuchen: You've never used an apple localtalk lan have you? |
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| 00:32.41 | ruehrkuchen | no |
| 00:32.43 | MeatHammer | u can daisy chain pci adapters no? so theoretically 6 x 450 = more than a gbit ruehrkuchen...? |
| 00:33.14 | ruehrkuchen | i'm not a wifi expert |
| 00:33.40 | beepie | ruehrkuchen, but you said 150Mbit, and lan is 100mbit :) |
| 00:33.41 | MeatHammer | beepie: OK SUCCESS. im getting 3.3mbps |
| 00:33.48 | beepie | MeatHammer, that's nice |
| 00:33.57 | lemondom | hi |
| 00:33.58 | MeatHammer | beepie: which is ok given the hardware involved |
| 00:34.01 | beepie | MeatHammer, but sux :) |
| 00:34.11 | lemondom | isn't it confusing that in chmod 'u' is the owner and not 'o' which is 'other'? :) |
| 00:34.13 | lemondom | why so? |
| 00:34.16 | beepie | MeatHammer, 3.3/8 == .4125 megs by ideal |
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| 00:34.31 | ruehrkuchen | beepie: wifi have transfer and ping latences, ever |
| 00:34.37 | beepie | MeatHammer, which means 70-80 percent you're getting of .412 megs/sec |
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| 00:35.02 | beepie | MeatHammer, you're going to download about 309k/sec over the internet |
| 00:35.15 | beepie | MeatHammer, is 5 MB/sec your isp connection? |
| 00:35.19 | MeatHammer | beepie: no i download at 11mbps |
| 00:35.27 | MeatHammer | cuz vpn |
| 00:35.38 | beepie | MeatHammer, is that your upload or download that you've given for 3.3 ? |
| 00:35.55 | MeatHammer | beepie: thats my 2.0 NAS volume SMB share |
| 00:36.06 | beepie | MeatHammer, the speed test online gives 3.3? |
| 00:36.06 | MeatHammer | bandwidth tests at 11 and 11 mbps |
| 00:36.13 | i_am_four | can someone help me with that CUPS problem?> |
| 00:36.16 | MeatHammer | onlytest 11mbps |
| 00:36.29 | beepie | MeatHammer, http://beta.speedtest.net/ gives 11 and 11mbps ? |
| 00:36.33 | MeatHammer | online tests at 11 mbps |
| 00:36.38 | MeatHammer | yep |
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| 00:36.46 | beepie | MeatHammer, ok so the problem is the server not your laptop |
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| 00:36.52 | MeatHammer | thats consistent across all my vpnd devices |
| 00:36.55 | beepie | MeatHammer, :) |
| 00:37.13 | ruehrkuchen | it gives me 118mbit |
| 00:37.14 | MeatHammer | beepie: i dont consider 3.3 to my nas bad. its what all the other devices gimme. |
| 00:37.15 | ruehrkuchen | :O |
| 00:37.26 | beepie | MeatHammer, 3.3 equates to around 300k/sec |
| 00:37.30 | beepie | MeatHammer, that sux |
| 00:37.41 | MeatHammer | ruehrkuchen: the adapter shows 150 while its transferring... but USB 2.0 thru a dula core router... |
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| 00:37.53 | beepie | MeatHammer, sound be at least 7megs/sec |
| 00:37.59 | beepie | MeatHammer, ./should./ |
| 00:38.10 | ruehrkuchen | yeah, bad usb |
| 00:38.36 | MeatHammer | beepie: well can I use something other than wack SMB? I feel like CIFS is a turkey. does FTP work across the board cuz i can do that in tomatousb but now NFS |
| 00:38.40 | MeatHammer | no NFS |
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| 00:39.03 | beepie | MeatHammer, ok you're sounding unfocused :) but you really did need to add that firmware to have your wifi working properly |
| 00:39.06 | MeatHammer | its literally just media files. totally legal ones. |
| 00:39.07 | beepie | MeatHammer, :) |
| 00:39.20 | MeatHammer | beepie: I believe you man. |
| 00:39.27 | beepie | tehehe good luck buddy :) |
| 00:39.35 | MeatHammer | beepie: I think I was just using 5ghz and never noticed that 2ghz was broke. |
| 00:39.37 | otyugh | naive question : why is mysql put first before mariadb in most suggestions when installing something needing a database ? :( |
| 00:41.28 | MeatHammer | beepie: to clarify. in debian I'm getting 4 MiB per second. believe u must multiply that by 8, not divide |
| 00:41.44 | MeatHammer | 3.4MB/s |
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| 00:42.00 | MeatHammer | so 24mbps |
| 00:42.07 | beepie | MeatHammer, yeah so? |
| 00:42.14 | rww | otyugh: probably mysql is still classed as the "default" |
| 00:42.23 | beepie | MeatHammer, you made the impression that is was megabits, not megabytes |
| 00:42.29 | beepie | MeatHammer, so that's a different story |
| 00:42.39 | rww | otyugh: so if you don't install one or the other, it'll grab mysql. if you already have mariadb installed, it'll just use that |
| 00:42.43 | beepie | MeatHammer, but you're late in responding, so you're just trying to excuse your earlier assumptions :) |
| 00:42.46 | MeatHammer | beepie: yah my typing is poor thats my bad |
| 00:43.04 | MeatHammer | but seriously thanks for all the help |
| 00:43.08 | beepie | ok :) |
| 00:43.17 | beepie | np |
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| 00:43.29 | otyugh | rww, I was wondering if it was a tecnical reason or something. It looks to me as weird as promoting openoffice theses days... |
| 00:43.30 | beepie | you can come back later if you have any further problems with it :) |
| 00:44.05 | MeatHammer | beepie: ya ... so about that bluetooth adapter.. lol... im going to buy smokes and chill out but i will be back. frequently. |
| 00:44.20 | rww | otyugh: as far as I know it's a drop-in replacement and there's no technical reason for mysql, other than that nobody's pushed to change it yet |
| 00:44.41 | otyugh | okay then |
| 00:44.46 | otyugh | thanks |
| 00:44.56 | rww | (and mysql is presumably more tested than mariadb because it's default, and this is debian the land of conservative changes ;) |
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| 00:46.31 | HicksD | I've noticed headphone detection doesn't work for me using my front headphone port. After a bit of digging acpi_listen does not show any events for this port, although mic + all 3 rear ports trigger events. Anyone have any ideas as to what may be wrong? |
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| 00:46.49 | CuteMeOwnThroat | never run a changing system and all that :) |
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| 00:49.48 | beepie | MeatHammer, you're probably too great a key your vpn can handle, or your vpn configuration is not optimized -- the other factor of course is you're using usb.. so you've got things to look into in oder to optimize.. but this goes outside the original questions |
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| 00:51.12 | beepie | MeatHammer, likely it is your router hardware that is flakey for hosting file services.. you'd want to get something else for hosting file services |
| 00:51.16 | Logg | I tried to install the proprietary amd graphics drivers, and I don't have any graphics anymore. (blinking cursor, top left corner on tty7). I restored the old xorg.conf file but that didn't fix it. where should I go from here? |
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| 00:52.06 | otyugh | Logg, reinstall the free driver ? |
| 00:52.17 | Logg | the free driver is already installed, it says |
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| 00:53.30 | otyugh | I assume you tried to install the proprietary drivers without using apt-get, so may be the free driver are not there anymore, and you most reinstall it to retablish the stuffs |
| 00:53.33 | Logg | running '# apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati' per https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo replied "up to date" |
| 00:53.49 | otyugh | (I just assume, I don't know :o) |
| 00:54.19 | Logg | I installed fglrx-driver through aptitude as recommended on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 00:56.36 | Logg | xorg log seems interesting. I'll see if I can post it somewhere. |
| 00:56.41 | otyugh | maybe the two are installed and well, I've no idea how to switch that. I'd remove the proprietary ones or remove/install the free to reaply them. |
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| 00:56.52 | otyugh | (still I'm just guessing, no idea how this works) |
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| 01:04.16 | Logg | http://pastebin.com/rkvG6U2L |
| 01:04.34 | Logg | looks like the reason that xorg crashed is because |
| 01:04.36 | Logg | "[ 5.351] (EE) Device(s) detected, but none match those in the config file." |
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| 01:05.02 | Logg | the computer is using a 380, and I guess that wasn't good enough for it |
| 01:05.37 | Logg | I downloaded the beta proprietary drivers, I think I'll "apt-get remove fglrx-driver" and run their script |
| 01:06.55 | i_am_four | Hey, someone want to help me with a printing problem? |
| 01:07.51 | i_am_four | pls? |
| 01:08.46 | cafuego | your kistake was to say "printing" |
| 01:09.01 | nevyn | everyone hates printers |
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| 01:10.48 | beepie | i_am_four, lpstat should work if there's any printers |
| 01:11.11 | cafuego | If your printer is not a mid 2000s HP networked laser, get rid of it and replace it with a mid 2000s hp networked laser. Problem solved. |
| 01:11.26 | beepie | i_am_four, the documentation is lacking , but hey, you have to consider something here -- the cups project is from apple :) |
| 01:11.36 | nevyn | n4k's are pretty solid |
| 01:11.43 | i_am_four | but im printing from a Win7 machine to my Debian machine, which is running CUPS and connected to a usb server |
| 01:11.52 | cafuego | runs screaming |
| 01:11.54 | beepie | i_am_four, that you can use ipp:// |
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| 01:11.57 | nevyn | just tell win7 it's ipp |
| 01:12.13 | beepie | nevyn, i said it first :p |
| 01:12.30 | beepie | i_am_four, you should test the printer locally |
| 01:13.44 | i_am_four | I know the problem is very localized because when i print something my Win7 machine, the printer makes noise then doesnt do anything. The job shows "completed" in the logs and on the CUPS server |
| 01:13.45 | i_am_four | it works locally |
| 01:13.54 | i_am_four | i can print stuff easily from my Debian machine which is attached to the printer via USB |
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| 01:14.16 | markybob | i_am_four, yes, but are you using ipp? |
| 01:14.24 | i_am_four | i added the printer on Win7 as an IPP printer |
| 01:14.50 | markybob | now also runs screaming |
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| 01:15.50 | Logg | Think I managed to screw it up pretty good. I uninstalled the proprietary fglrx-driver from apt, then installed the beta proprietary driver from amd's website. I was able to get to the graphical log in prompt, but no USB devices work, and about 3 seconds later, the computer freezes. This happens on every boot. |
| 01:15.51 | i_am_four | Im not sure how to check that. I added the printer on Win7 by going add printer>add network>inserting url http://192.168.blah.blah:631/printers/Samsung_ML_1675 |
| 01:16.01 | Logg | So I booted into safe-mode, and USB devices won't work there either. |
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| 01:16.09 | Logg | at this point, I think I'm going to reinstall. |
| 01:17.20 | cafuego | Quality Software⢠|
| 01:17.38 | Logg | hehe, thanks for the meme at least. |
| 01:18.25 | i_am_four | any suggestions on where i can start troubleshooting |
| 01:18.25 | i_am_four | ??? |
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| 01:20.29 | beepie | i_am_four, you don't have a desktop on the printer computer? |
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| 01:20.39 | beepie | i_am_four, the printer should show up with even "gedit" |
| 01:21.09 | beepie | i_am_four, it's actually pretty easy to test it locally |
| 01:21.50 | i_am_four | The printer connected to my debian machine. On my debian machine, doing lpr test.text works fine, it prints it |
| 01:22.07 | beepie | i_am_four, lpstat << i mentioned would show some definitions networking i suppoes |
| 01:22.24 | i_am_four | ok ill try it |
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| 01:23.33 | i_am_four | lpstat returns nothing |
| 01:23.56 | beepie | i_am_four, lpstat -t |
| 01:24.01 | i_am_four | oh, sorry |
| 01:24.08 | beepie | i_am_four, (should try to connect to the local cups socket) |
| 01:24.21 | beepie | i_am_four, if that command shows nothing then cups is not set properly with the printer |
| 01:25.03 | i_am_four | lpstat -t shows my printer there, the correct url, its accepting requests and it says its idle |
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| 01:25.53 | nevyn | i_am_four: did you configure cups to accept jobs from elsewhere |
| 01:25.54 | beepie | i_am_four, you can paste cupsd.conf and i can take a look at it -- i don't trust the web interface does a very good job |
| 01:27.05 | i_am_four | Yes, the cupsd.conf file shows Allow all |
| 01:27.12 | i_am_four | i added that |
| 01:27.20 | i_am_four | post the conf file here? |
| 01:27.39 | beepie | i_am_four, no it's too big in here (>2 lines) |
| 01:27.44 | beepie | i_am_four, (pastebin.ca) |
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| 01:28.05 | i_am_four | k, first time using IRC |
| 01:28.20 | beepie | !topic |
| 01:28.28 | nevyn | paste.debian.net |
| 01:28.40 | nevyn | or gist |
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| 01:29.10 | beepie | the topic should have a pastebin url |
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| 01:29.42 | nevyn | !paste |
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| 01:29.52 | beepie | yeah that but it's faster with topic :) |
| 01:29.55 | beepie | nevyn, thanks |
| 01:30.30 | beepie | i just tend to remember pastebin.ca cuse im up here in the north :Pp |
| 01:31.08 | davux | hello, is this a help chan? I'm having trouble setting up an init script with an LSB header so that it respects the dependencies |
| 01:31.24 | i_am_four | http://pastebin.com/iGYrviEy |
| 01:33.04 | beepie | i_am_four, 62 and 78, did you accidentally cut the lines for the > character? |
| 01:33.19 | i_am_four | yes i just realized that. gimme a minute |
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| 01:34.36 | i_am_four | http://pastebin.com/wkT5Re9Q |
| 01:34.49 | beepie | you should also be able to copy&paste things easily with like gedit :) |
| 01:35.04 | Phlunk3 | long shot, but if anyone can point me to some documentation as to how to configure x to launch separately on two different monitors using one graphics card that would be amazing. TIA |
| 01:35.16 | nevyn | beepie: or install !pastebinit |
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| 01:35.44 | beepie | nevyn, that breaks sometimes tehehee |
| 01:35.45 | nevyn | !pastebinit |
| 01:35.45 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 01:36.03 | beepie | i_am_four, you'll have to fix the Subscription word and close the > on those two lines |
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| 01:36.50 | beepie | i_am_four, since this is a lan, you can remove user-authentication and use # at the front of line 64 |
| 01:37.02 | beepie | i_am_four, and not worry about authentication for now |
| 01:37.30 | i_am_four | ok |
| 01:37.33 | i_am_four | Anything else? |
| 01:37.59 | beepie | i_am_four, systemctl cups.service restart |
| 01:38.29 | davux | after modifying the LSB header of an existing init.d script to add a dependency, how do you update the order of the scripts to take that into account? |
| 01:38.29 | beepie | i_am_four, lpoptions , should show the ipp |
| 01:38.37 | beepie | i_am_four, (the ipp:// path) |
| 01:38.56 | i_am_four | on debian its sudo service cups restart, right? |
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| 01:39.13 | beepie | i_am_four, yeah you can also use this instead -> BrowseLocalProtocols All |
| 01:39.20 | beepie | i_am_four, isntead of just dnssd |
| 01:39.32 | beepie | i_am_four, well whatever takes to be root |
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| 01:39.38 | i_am_four | ok |
| 01:39.46 | i_am_four | What do you need from the lpoptions command? |
| 01:39.47 | beepie | i_am_four, if that can restart it too then you can use it |
| 01:39.51 | beepie | i_am_four, just itself |
| 01:39.58 | beepie | i_am_four, lpoptions<enter> |
| 01:40.15 | i_am_four | you want me to send you output of lpoptions? |
| 01:40.21 | beepie | i_am_four, just the ipp:// path |
| 01:40.28 | beepie | i_am_four, it should show up supposedly |
| 01:40.55 | beepie | i_am_four, mind me saying you can also use a numeric ip-address for ipp:// and not just hostnames |
| 01:41.08 | i_am_four | =ipp://localhost:631/printers/Samsung_ML-1670_Series |
| 01:41.30 | beepie | i_am_four, did you also set "BrowseLocalProtocols All" -- that'll save any problems |
| 01:42.07 | beepie | i_am_four, (line 22 http://pastebin.com/wkT5Re9Q ) |
| 01:42.09 | i_am_four | command not found for BrowseLocalProtocols |
| 01:42.17 | i_am_four | oh sorry, im an idiot |
| 01:43.12 | JeremyE77 | Het Team! Am I confused about the new systemd. The syslog does not seem to log much. Is there an alternative log now? Debian 8.1. Or it's unrelated to Sytemd altogether but it only seems to affect my 8.* installation |
| 01:43.36 | beepie | JeremyE77, journalctl is the equivalent |
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| 01:44.02 | i_am_four | Set it to all, restarted cups, tried to print and same problem. Print makes noise but prints nothing |
| 01:44.06 | beepie | JeremyE77, if you're using a rescue-boot environment, you'll need to use systemd-nspawn |
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| 01:44.39 | beepie | i_am_four, after setting the new line 22, you'll also have to restart cups |
| 01:44.47 | beepie | i_am_four, there's also something else |
| 01:44.55 | markybob | i_am_four, not trying to be a dick...but i've seen this too many times. it's so much easier to buy a usb hub and a couple of long cables. really. |
| 01:44.57 | i_am_four | i restarted it |
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| 01:45.12 | i_am_four | alright :/ |
| 01:45.15 | beepie | i_am_four, ipp://localhost << means it is only on "lo" interface which means it's not on any network |
| 01:45.36 | beepie | i_am_four, so you have to make it listen on 0.0.0.0 for all interfaces |
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| 01:46.00 | i_am_four | If thats true how can i access the CUPS page from any PC, and when i print from any PC to to the server the printer makes noise? |
| 01:46.00 | JeremyE77 | That seems a little above what I am looking for. My problem stems with ossec. It parses syslog as one of is characteristics. Jouralctl seems to be a bit high level. Any advice? I can deal without ossec but at some point I suppose I should make it work |
| 01:46.07 | beepie | i_am_four, you can comment out Port line and use "Listen <ip address:631" |
| 01:46.15 | i_am_four | ok |
| 01:46.27 | beepie | i_am_four, eg: Listen 192.168.1.100:631 |
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| 01:46.43 | beepie | i_am_four, also |
| 01:46.50 | nmschulte | I currently run i3 as my window manager. I also use DPMS with my laptop and external display devices. I would like to make my X session work such that whenever my monitors go to sleep, my screen is locked. |
| 01:46.53 | beepie | i_am_four, Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock |
| 01:47.01 | beepie | i_am_four, ^ add "two Listen" lines |
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| 01:47.15 | beepie | i_am_four, one for network and one for local socket cups... |
| 01:47.32 | nmschulte | What tools should I be looking at to accomplish this? |
| 01:47.34 | beepie | i_am_four, or i suppose you can even use Listen 0.0.0.0:631 ? |
| 01:47.54 | beepie | i_am_four, you can try "Listen 0.0.0.0:631" -- if that doesn't work then use those two above Listen lines |
| 01:48.15 | i_am_four | the debian server is on a static ip |
| 01:48.25 | beepie | i_am_four, your "lan ip" for this cups server should also not be changing |
| 01:48.28 | beepie | ah ok |
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| 01:48.47 | beepie | i_am_four, what does lpoptions now show? |
| 01:49.31 | i_am_four | ipp://localhost:631/printers/Samsung_ML-1670_Series |
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| 01:49.43 | i_am_four | i had changed my hosts file a while back |
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| 01:51.35 | beepie | i_am_four, ok but not ok |
| 01:51.46 | beepie | i_am_four, ok so what Listen lines are you using? |
| 01:52.06 | beepie | i_am_four, be sure to place # in front of the "Port" line |
| 01:52.18 | beepie | i_am_four, "#Port" means commenting-out |
| 01:52.25 | i_am_four | i tried using 192.168.0.115:631, then i tried 0.0.0.0:631 |
| 01:52.48 | beepie | i_am_four, ok if you do-> netstat -plutn, what shows up? |
| 01:52.50 | i_am_four | When i restarted the service and tried to print, both times nothing happens and now the printer doesnt even make any noise |
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| 01:53.04 | beepie | i_am_four, i didn't say to fish around and waste my time :) |
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| 01:53.44 | beepie | i_am_four, i asked for 3 things, you better answer or i'll stop helping :) |
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| 01:53.54 | i_am_four | sorry m8 |
| 01:54.04 | i_am_four | netstat puts up a big list of stuff |
| 01:54.11 | i_am_four | the 0.0.0.0:631 is there |
| 01:54.17 | beepie | ok that's good |
| 01:54.22 | i_am_four | its state is set to LISTEN |
| 01:54.25 | iio7 | I have moved my hard drive with a jessie installation to another box and are getting a couple of systemd errors I need help understanding: http://pastebin.com/Lr1wJcVW |
| 01:54.32 | beepie | i_am_four, and for the "Listen" settings in cupds.conf ? |
| 01:54.38 | iio7 | Kernel module errors |
| 01:55.02 | beepie | i_am_four, are you also using cups.socket? |
| 01:55.21 | i_am_four | i put in 0.0.0.0:631, and /var/run/cups.sock |
| 01:55.35 | i_am_four | how do i know if im using cups.socket? |
| 01:55.45 | beepie | i_am_four, should be /var/run/cups/cups.socket |
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| 01:56.09 | i_am_four | yea sorry, thats what it is |
| 01:56.21 | iio7 | Oh, never mind.. figured it out. |
| 01:56.45 | beepie | i_am_four, though 0.0.0.0:631 would also give the optional local cups-network client configuration <<<<- but you don't need to do this because your cups apps will instead just look for the local cups.socket |
| 01:57.24 | i_am_four | ok. should i delete that listening option? |
| 01:57.25 | beepie | i_am_four, (you'd have to configure hte cups-network client if you're not using cups.socket -- this is a configuration outside cupsd.conf) |
| 01:57.30 | i_am_four | or comment it out? |
| 01:57.43 | beepie | i_am_four, the socket one should be there, because that's the easiest way to print locally |
| 01:58.16 | i_am_four | i have Listen /var/run/cups/cups.socket, uncommented in the file |
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| 01:58.44 | beepie | i_am_four, ok -> systemctl restart cups.service and systemctl restart cups.socket |
| 01:59.00 | beepie | i_am_four, or i suppose whatever distro -- you can ask me on #linux if you want as i'm also there |
| 01:59.12 | beepie | i_am_four, you seemed to have paused when i asked for systemctl awhile back :p |
| 01:59.19 | beepie | i_am_four, but procedure is mostly the same on debian |
| 01:59.36 | i_am_four | yea, it wasnt working bc i forgot sudo |
| 01:59.39 | i_am_four | just did it |
| 01:59.50 | i_am_four | restarted both |
| 01:59.52 | beepie | i_am_four, ok so lpoptions should show sanity, and so should netstat |
| 02:00.05 | beepie | i_am_four, lsof -n |grep cups.socket should also show up |
| 02:00.43 | i_am_four | lsof -n |grep cups.socket shows nothing |
| 02:00.52 | beepie | i_am_four, shit |
| 02:01.08 | i_am_four | the source of the problem? |
| 02:01.13 | beepie | i_am_four, well it doesn't matter -- here i noticed i'm using /var/run/cups/cups.sock ---- |
| 02:01.31 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:01.32 | beepie | i_am_four, i suppose you can alwyas change cups.socket to cups.sock -- i'm not sure what the systemd script has |
| 02:01.53 | i_am_four | Question: if i hear the printer making noise when i print something, could the screw-up be in the spooler? |
| 02:02.42 | beepie | i_am_four, do you get lsof to show up for cups.sock ? |
| 02:03.27 | i_am_four | no |
| 02:03.28 | beepie | i_am_four, try systemctl enable cups.sock |
| 02:03.28 | beepie | i_am_four, and systemctl restart cups.sock |
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| 02:03.33 | beepie | i_am_four, if that fails, then heck reboot the system :) |
| 02:03.56 | i_am_four | sudo systemctl status cups.socket shows active |
| 02:03.57 | beepie | i_am_four, make that systemctl restart cups.socket i mean |
| 02:04.01 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:04.14 | beepie | i_am_four, then lsof -n |grep cups.sock |
| 02:04.52 | i_am_four | nothing for lsof -n |grep cups.sock or lsof -n |grep cups.socket |
| 02:04.59 | beepie | i_am_four, a sec |
| 02:05.03 | i_am_four | k |
| 02:05.20 | beepie | i_am_four, guess you can try to reboot.. and check with lsof |
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| 02:05.30 | beepie | i_am_four, something has to be restarted somewhere |
| 02:05.37 | i_am_four | btw im doing all this from my windows 7 system through SSH, could that be a problem? |
| 02:05.43 | beepie | i_am_four, reboot. |
| 02:05.45 | beepie | i_am_four, :) |
| 02:05.46 | i_am_four | k |
| 02:06.46 | i_am_four | back up and running |
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| 02:07.40 | i_am_four | lsof -n |grep cups.sock and lsof -n |grep cups.socket still give nothing |
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| 02:11.11 | beepie | i_am_four, dunno about this.. that has to work |
| 02:11.17 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:11.21 | beepie | i_am_four, we'll havea to trial troubleshoot this |
| 02:11.30 | i_am_four | alright |
| 02:12.02 | beepie | i_am_four, you sure you're using debian right ? :) |
| 02:12.13 | beepie | i_am_four, (if not as i said i can still help but on #linux) |
| 02:12.15 | i_am_four | i am 100% sure, installed it yesterday |
| 02:12.19 | i_am_four | its Jessie |
| 02:12.35 | beepie | i_am_four, could be a dam bug.. did you upgrade everything? (apt-get update, apt-get upgrade) |
| 02:13.01 | beepie | i_am_four, lsb_release -a , should say 8.2 |
| 02:13.09 | i_am_four | k |
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| 02:13.35 | i_am_four | apt-get upgrade did one package |
| 02:14.15 | i_am_four | it says Debian GNU/Linux 8.2(Jessie) |
| 02:15.02 | beepie | i_am_four, systemctl status printer.target |
| 02:15.33 | i_am_four | it shows active |
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| 02:15.43 | beepie | i_am_four, dpkg -l|grep -i cups (pastebin) |
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| 02:16.57 | i_am_four | http://pastebin.com/EhMa6X17 |
| 02:17.14 | beepie | i_am_four, noticing here with my own config -> ServerName <ip address> |
| 02:17.24 | beepie | i_am_four, supposedly later i can suggest adding this |
| 02:17.31 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:17.36 | beepie | (at the top of cupsd.conf) |
| 02:17.50 | i_am_four | shall i do that now? |
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| 02:18.15 | beepie | i_am_four, systemctl restart cups.service |
| 02:18.43 | beepie | i_am_four, can you pastebin cupsd.conf ? |
| 02:18.59 | i_am_four | restarted it, it shows active |
| 02:19.02 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:19.36 | beepie | here i'm using amd64 though the socket should also be working on i386(which is 32-bit) |
| 02:20.20 | i_am_four | http://pastebin.com/Z7p2BVLs |
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| 02:21.24 | beepie | i_am_four, iirc there could of been a bug that i actually filed on this.. |
| 02:21.42 | beepie | i_am_four, as I would prefer using 0.0.0.0 -- try using 192.x.x.x:631 , and restart cups.service |
| 02:21.52 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:22.14 | beepie | i'm noticing that i am not using 0.0.0.0 -- so possibly i did do this in the past |
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| 02:22.32 | beepie | i_am_four, and restart cups.socket (Systemctl) |
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| 02:23.19 | i_am_four | restarted it, it shows active |
| 02:23.25 | beepie | "it" means what? |
| 02:23.45 | i_am_four | systemctl status cups.service |
| 02:23.50 | beepie | and cups.socket? |
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| 02:24.09 | i_am_four | sorry i meant cups.socket |
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| 02:24.19 | beepie | i_am_four, lsof -n|grep -i cups.sock < ? |
| 02:24.20 | i_am_four | systemctl status cups.socket shows active |
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| 02:24.49 | i_am_four | nothing for lsof line |
| 02:24.53 | beepie | hmm |
| 02:25.19 | beepie | i_am_four, you can add that ServerName <ip address> at the top of cupsd.conf |
| 02:25.25 | i_am_four | ok |
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| 02:26.07 | i_am_four | with or without the port :631? |
| 02:26.10 | beepie | i_am_four, does /etc/cups/client.conf exists? |
| 02:26.29 | beepie | i_am_four, you can use with :631, that's what i use |
| 02:26.36 | beepie | i_am_four, (keeping it simple) |
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| 02:26.51 | beepie | i_am_four, ipp:// can use another port, but that's too difficult to later remember |
| 02:27.05 | Qwertie | Is it possible to run the traffic for one user through a vpn but leave the rest? |
| 02:28.04 | beepie | i_am_four, sorry .. for the "ServerName" there is no :631 |
| 02:28.16 | beepie | i_am_four, just ipaddress |
| 02:28.20 | i_am_four | ok, ill remove it |
| 02:28.38 | beepie | i_am_four, hmm -- you using a firewall? |
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| 02:28.45 | beepie | i_am_four, be sure you allow all localhost traffic |
| 02:28.53 | i_am_four | alright |
| 02:29.27 | beepie | i_am_four, we also have to look at that too -- we'll try to fix the cups.socket later |
| 02:29.37 | beepie | i_am_four, ok so the firewall? |
| 02:29.39 | i_am_four | checking if cups/client exisists |
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| 02:29.49 | beepie | i_am_four, ( /etc/cups/client.conf ) |
| 02:30.07 | beepie | i_am_four, if it doesn't don't create one |
| 02:31.11 | i_am_four | it doesnt exist |
| 02:31.34 | i_am_four | what do you want me to put in it? |
| 02:31.51 | beepie | i_am_four, i would of though you created one because you never had cups.socket |
| 02:32.02 | beepie | i_am_four, i suppose cups clients auto fallback to 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:32.12 | beepie | i_am_four, there'd be no other way to print of course |
| 02:32.38 | beepie | i_am_four, you using something else for firewalling ? |
| 02:32.46 | beepie | i_am_four, here i use "iptables" |
| 02:33.00 | beepie | i_am_four, ensure localhost is permitted all traffic -s 127/8 -d 127/8 |
| 02:33.19 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:33.22 | stew | -i lo -o lo :) |
| 02:33.27 | beepie | i_am_four, (iptables -L -n) -- if you're not using any firewall, then i suppose you're ready to try the win7 machine |
| 02:33.43 | beepie | stew, i swear something is broken on i386 cups.socket |
| 02:33.56 | beepie | stew, he apparently does not have that working which is a problem |
| 02:34.03 | beepie | stew, (which i'll come back to later) |
| 02:34.08 | markybob | i_am_four, are you using a firewall of any kind? |
| 02:34.37 | beepie | i don't think he's got one, |
| 02:34.47 | beepie | i_am_four, you can go ahead and try ipp:// from the other stations... |
| 02:35.20 | i_am_four | iptables shows policy ACCEPT for all categories |
| 02:35.20 | i_am_four | no |
| 02:35.41 | beepie | i_am_four, if you want to try it locallhost, you can add a client.conf later |
| 02:36.03 | beepie | i_am_four, though it's possible it can try a local ip interface address dunno |
| 02:36.22 | beepie | wtf is that? |
| 02:36.30 | beepie | says cups.socket should always work |
| 02:37.14 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:38.50 | i_am_four | tried it, now the printer doesnt make noise and it doesnt come up on the completed jobs list |
| 02:39.02 | markybob | i_am_four, no you see why i said it was easier to get usb hubs/cables :P |
| 02:39.10 | markybob | s/no/now |
| 02:39.25 | i_am_four | i do |
| 02:39.26 | i_am_four | you know what, ill just do that |
| 02:39.34 | i_am_four | thanks so much for all your help, this community is awesome |
| 02:39.43 | beepie | i_am_four, you trying localhost? |
| 02:39.53 | beepie | i_am_four, you can use this-> in /etc/cups/client.conf |
| 02:39.56 | i_am_four | it works localhost |
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| 02:40.12 | beepie | i_am_four, Encryption IfRequested , ServerName <ipaddress> |
| 02:40.18 | beepie | i_am_four, (these two lines) |
| 02:40.23 | i_am_four | k |
| 02:40.34 | beepie | i_am_four, then i suppose you'e using an internal dbus cache setting for the local ip address |
| 02:40.52 | beepie | i_am_four, you don't need that client.conf file then |
| 02:41.10 | beepie | i_am_four, though it might help in the future, in case you no longer have a reference to it from dbus |
| 02:41.18 | beepie | i_am_four, dbus/gconf things |
| 02:41.29 | beepie | i_am_four, you can also create it somewhere under ~ |
| 02:41.39 | beepie | i_am_four, and that will override /etc/cups/client.conf |
| 02:41.51 | beepie | (manpage would say which path) |
| 02:41.51 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:42.03 | beepie | i_am_four, try doing it as "root" |
| 02:42.13 | beepie | i_am_four, sudo su -, systemctl restart cups.socket |
| 02:42.24 | i_am_four | ok |
| 02:42.27 | beepie | i_am_four, (logged in as root) |
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| 02:43.49 | beepie | i_am_four, i say 10% certainty lsof now shows it XD |
| 02:43.57 | beepie | i_am_four, good thing is at least it works locally |
| 02:44.03 | i_am_four | tried doing it as root. Same thing, send a notepad doc from Win7, printer makes noise but then doesnt do anything |
| 02:44.12 | i_am_four | ill check lsof |
| 02:44.26 | i_am_four | -what was the command again? |
| 02:44.29 | beepie | i_am_four, ok you could be just be missing one thing in cupsd.conf |
| 02:44.42 | beepie | i_am_four, cmd for socket listening (lsof -n |grep cups.sock) |
| 02:44.52 | DammitJim | has partitioning of a hard drive changed with VMs? |
| 02:44.56 | beepie | i_am_four, -n is optional, just makes lsof not do some dns checking |
| 02:45.21 | i_am_four | lsof shows stuff now! |
| 02:45.28 | i_am_four | Maybe bc now im signed in a root? |
| 02:45.31 | DammitJim | I mean, I remember the days when I had to increase space for a partition |
| 02:45.33 | beepie | i_am_four, thanks and does it show cups.sock ? |
| 02:45.36 | DammitJim | seems so easy with VMs nowadays |
| 02:45.40 | i_am_four | yes |
| 02:45.42 | beepie | i_am_four, yeah definitely had to do with that |
| 02:45.47 | DammitJim | and I'm leaning towards not setting up multiple partitions |
| 02:45.57 | beepie | i_am_four, next time I'll remember not to tell others not to avoid sudo XD |
| 02:46.02 | DammitJim | and just having a single root partition |
| 02:46.05 | beepie | i_am_four, ok great |
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| 02:46.09 | DammitJim | how bad is that or what else do I need to consider? |
| 02:46.09 | i_am_four | my bad XD |
| 02:46.12 | beepie | i_am_four, at least we checked everything else.. |
| 02:46.13 | DammitJim | I'm using LVM |
| 02:46.17 | beepie | i_am_four, no it's my bad :) |
| 02:46.19 | beepie | lol |
| 02:46.32 | beepie | i_am_four, ok but even if socket is not used, it'll still work |
| 02:46.46 | beepie | i_am_four, but is it under ~/ or /var/run ? |
| 02:46.52 | beepie | i_am_four, possibly under ~ i suppose :) |
| 02:46.53 | i_am_four | /var/run |
| 02:47.04 | beepie | i_am_four, cool great.. and any under ~/ by any chance :)) |
| 02:47.28 | beepie | ok ok.. been onthis for a bit.. but dam. |
| 02:47.35 | beepie | i hate these "sudo" limitations.. |
| 02:47.39 | beepie | tehehe |
| 02:47.56 | beepie | i_am_four, ok you can do the ipp:// from windows -- what document are you trying ? |
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| 02:48.01 | beepie | i_am_four, (online resource?) |
| 02:48.29 | beepie | i_am_four, or maybe that's too off-topic .. it can sometimes not work if you're doing it incorrectly |
| 02:48.41 | beepie | i_am_four, (there's logs too for denials iirc) |
| 02:48.57 | beepie | i_am_four, cat /var/log/cups/access_log |
| 02:49.28 | slothbin | hi does anyone have a recommendation for a libre news reader program ? |
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| 03:31.14 | poffs | how do I list all the users in a specific group? I need to check %sudo and %admin |
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| 03:35.12 | nevyn | that's less obvious that you'd think |
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| 03:35.48 | nevyn | getent group is your friend |
| 03:36.13 | nevyn | however you should also grep getent passwd for the group ide incase someone made it their primary group |
| 03:37.17 | poffs | ok cool. thanks nevyn |
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| 03:54.00 | ShadeS | hey guys |
| 03:54.28 | ShadeS | which version of node js is most compatible with jessie? |
| 03:54.38 | ShadeS | curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_5.x | sudo -E bash - |
| 03:54.47 | ShadeS | and then sudo apt-get install -y nodejs? |
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| 04:01.33 | XeonSquared | dpkg, give XeonSquared ngnix |
| 04:01.33 | dpkg | gives XeonSquared ngnix |
| 04:01.38 | XeonSquared | okay that didn't work |
| 04:02.24 | stew | dpkg, tell XeonSquared about nginx |
| 04:03.10 | XeonSquared | Erm well |
| 04:03.27 | XeonSquared | It isn't showing up in an apt-cache search ngnix |
| 04:03.39 | XeonSquared | despite apparently being in main? |
| 04:03.59 | stew | XeonSquared: you are spelling it wrong |
| 04:04.07 | stew | judd: versions nginx |
| 04:04.08 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5; jessie-backports: 1.9.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.9.6-2; stretch: 1.9.6-2 |
| 04:04.13 | XeonSquared | oh |
| 04:04.16 | XeonSquared | I'm an idiot. |
| 04:04.29 | stew | :) |
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| 04:08.36 | DrManhattan | I built a bootable cd using the bootcd package. It will boot if I use the iso to boot a virtual machine, but I can't for the life of me get the thing to work on a usb stick. I've tried dd and unetbootin. I even tried win32diskimager. It's a no go |
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| 04:09.15 | DrManhattan | can anyone point me in the right direction? Why won't the jessie bootcd package produce a bootable cd image that I can write to a USB? |
| 04:09.33 | dvs | !unetbootin |
| 04:09.33 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 04:10.01 | markybob | DrManhattan, like the bot says, don't use that |
| 04:10.16 | DrManhattan | Nice! I tried win32diskimager, but it didn't work either |
| 04:10.34 | DrManhattan | !usb install |
| 04:10.35 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 04:11.02 | DrManhattan | I actually want to install debian ONTO a usb stick |
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| 04:11.36 | DrManhattan | I would like to take a live system and create a usb bootable image with it. Is this possible? |
| 04:12.07 | ShadeS | https://bpaste.net/show/e9c70a44d637 did this work or no? I'm confused |
| 04:12.08 | DrManhattan | I can do it very easily with cdrom using the bootcd package, but the iso image it produces cannot be used on a usb stick. |
| 04:12.24 | ShadeS | I tried to `sudo npm install irc` |
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| 04:15.07 | ShadeS | can anyone tell me what's the deal? |
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| 04:30.56 | karlpinc` | !tell DrManhattan about debian-live |
| 04:31.41 | karlpinc` | DrManhattan: With debian-live you can put a debian os on various pluggable media. |
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| 04:32.09 | DrManhattan | ok thank you |
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| 05:12.08 | Lyden | How can I get wifi working on my MacBook Air? |
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| 05:13.23 | Lyden | Is there a way I can get the drivers on my home PC and install then put them onto my macbook via usb? |
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| 05:16.07 | stoned | Sure |
| 05:16.27 | stoned | You probably need to find out what wifi chipset you have, find the module/driver for it, grab it and put it on the mac |
| 05:16.51 | stoned | lspci -nn to grab the pciid for it, then look that up in the pciid db |
| 05:17.22 | stoned | Then apt-file search modulename should provide the name of the non-free packagte which might have your firmware |
| 05:17.35 | stoned | grab that package and put it on the mac and dpkg -i |
| 05:17.49 | stoned | (I think). I could be totally wrong about this procedure. |
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| 05:19.29 | dn | I have a raid 6 array with a defective drive. All current drives are WD Red 3TB and my initial thought was to replace the dead one with an identical drive. But the WD red 3TB drive I can buy online doesn't have the exact same modelnumber as the ones I already have. So my question is, how identical do the new drive need to be? Can it be another brand, as long as the size is the same? |
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| 05:20.00 | stoned | drive cpacity and speed shoudl match |
| 05:20.08 | stoned | exact capacity and rpm |
| 05:20.14 | stoned | and maybe cache too |
| 05:20.20 | stoned | You should be fine. |
| 05:20.33 | Swathe | yeah should be no issues with that drive |
| 05:23.28 | dn | alright, thanks |
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| 06:05.21 | poffs | is there a way to do file transfer over SSH that is resilient to connection drops and will verify the integrity of the data? |
| 06:05.28 | poffs | i'm assuming what I want is rsync, right? |
| 06:05.38 | nevyn | rsync |
| 06:05.40 | nevyn | yes |
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| 06:18.07 | karlpinc` | poffs: If you want the connection to be able to go up and down during a single transfer session, as opposed to having to restart, you could setup, e.g., an openvpn session between endpoints and rsync, with or without ssh, using that connection. It's not usually worth it. |
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| 06:21.33 | zykotick9 | doesn't understand why VPN has become so popular... |
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| 06:25.56 | vvande | I think VPN is popular because of the current trend in copyright management. |
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| 07:05.46 | stoned | And anonymity etc. |
| 07:05.59 | stoned | Or so people think, anyway. |
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| 07:16.15 | percY- | root@debian:/home/percy# adduser --home /home/vbox --group vboxusers --shell /bin/bash vbox |
| 07:16.15 | percY- | adduser: Specify only one name in this mode. |
| 07:16.15 | percY- | am i missing something here? probably blind... |
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| 07:18.32 | valdyn | percY-: theres 2 modes, you are using options that are available only in --system mode |
| 07:18.51 | valdyn | percY-: see the manpage |
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| 07:21.43 | percY- | ahh okay |
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| 07:22.43 | percY- | is system user the same as a regular user? |
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| 07:26.28 | valdyn | percY-: system users have an id from a different range |
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| 07:27.41 | valdyn | percY-: by default in debian (most or all) system users have their $HOME not in /home/ |
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| 07:28.19 | valdyn | percY-: theres no really *hard* difference except that system users are not used to log in by users |
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| 07:30.50 | Abbott | why aren't the stable revisions listed here: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=znc |
| 07:31.09 | Abbott | it's only oldstable and experimental |
| 07:31.20 | valdyn | judd: versions znc |
| 07:31.22 | judd | Package: znc on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.092-3; wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.4-2; sid: 1.6.2-2+b2; stretch: 1.6.2-2+b2 |
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| 07:31.54 | valdyn | Abbott: Some results are not shown, as you can read |
| 07:32.05 | Abbott | oh okay |
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| 07:32.32 | cuchufli | how can i force aptitude to purge a package's configuration files including non-empty directories? |
| 07:32.42 | Abbott | I was recommended to update to 1.6.2, would the best way to do that be to use a backport or to install a tarball? won't either break apt-get? |
| 07:33.07 | valdyn | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=i386&keywords=znc |
| 07:33.14 | valdyn | that shows no result - worse |
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| 07:34.08 | valdyn | Abbott: you can create a backport |
| 07:34.17 | valdyn | !backport |
| 07:34.18 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 07:34.43 | Abbott | will it keep apt in tact? |
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| 07:36.13 | Abbott | it looks like it will, thanks valdyn |
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| 07:37.33 | markybob | Abbott, yes, it will |
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| 08:21.40 | Peaceful | Hi what's the difference between debian and ubuntu: |
| 08:21.42 | Peaceful | ? |
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| 08:34.06 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:34.54 | markybob | jim fixed existing bugs? that's hilarious. plus he's gone |
| 08:35.00 | jim | hmm, he's missing |
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| 08:35.24 | markybob | jim, where did you get the "fixed existing bugs" idea from? |
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| 08:36.30 | jim | yeah well they try to do that... debian does all the work, they try to fix the remaining bugs (which is a duplication of effort) and use the result to spam people and steal their search terms |
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| 08:37.09 | markybob | jim, they add bugs by making things "easier/prettier" and fucking things up |
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| 08:37.16 | jim | in other words they don't fix anything, and so ubuntu -is- debian |
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| 08:37.31 | markybob | jim, no, ubuntu is *not* debian |
| 08:37.34 | jim | a less stable version thereof? |
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| 08:37.43 | markybob | yes, much less stable |
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| 08:38.10 | babilen | jim, markybob: Just to let you know: Peaceful has left the channel quite some time ago. |
| 08:38.13 | jim | if they download it from your sites, then they release it... |
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| 08:38.24 | markybob | babilen, we've both mentioned that already |
| 08:38.28 | jim | I know, sorry about that part |
| 08:38.28 | babilen | Ah, mentioned that already .. my bad :) |
| 08:38.48 | jim | he must have quit |
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| 08:39.59 | jim | so if the software they download from you is the software they release, where's the difference? |
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| 08:40.18 | markybob | jim, they make a *lot* of changes. that's the difference. |
| 08:40.35 | jim | (other than the fact they tend to break promises you've made) |
| 08:40.45 | jim | I see, |
| 08:40.49 | markybob | jim, not about promises. they change things |
| 08:40.57 | jim | so they don't fix, they just change stuff |
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| 08:42.02 | jim | and the difference in the software itself, is what they change |
| 08:42.41 | markybob | jim, right. which makes a big difference which is why we don't support ubuntu. we can't know what they've changed in every package. |
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| 08:43.14 | jim | oh, you don't know what they've changed? |
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| 08:43.38 | jim | if that's the case you can't claim they don't fix |
| 08:43.40 | markybob | jim, no, i don't know what they've changed in tens of thousands of packages. i'm not data from star trek |
| 08:43.57 | jim | that's an awful lot |
| 08:44.06 | markybob | jim, that's the point |
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| 08:44.40 | JyZyXEL | wow, there is a package called "shatag", that uses Extended Attributes to tag every file with it's checksum |
| 08:45.11 | jim | OK, I got it... thanks |
| 08:45.17 | JyZyXEL | that is such a cool idea. almost like running a checksumming filesystem, except the checksumming is done in user space |
| 08:45.42 | jim | every file of what? |
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| 08:46.03 | JyZyXEL | what ever files you choose in the filesystem |
| 08:46.25 | JyZyXEL | ones with static content seem like the obvious use case |
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| 08:50.22 | jonaus | Hi! Is it ok to ask about help with a hung dist-upgrade here? |
| 08:50.35 | babilen | jonaus: Sure |
| 08:50.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell jonaus -about bat |
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| 08:51.39 | babilen | jonaus: We would probably also need your sources.list (cf. <show sources.list>) and any commands that led up to the situation. (<show sources.list> â /msg dpkg show sources.list) |
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| 08:52.57 | jim | jonaus, in case this led to having to reinstall, you should probably back up /home at least |
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| 08:53.38 | babilen | wut? |
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| 08:54.01 | jim | the might be able to unravel this, it is likely to turn out to be a lot of work |
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| 08:55.36 | themill | jim: it's about half an hour before we'll make that sort of call |
| 08:56.23 | jim | it is possible tho, and he should probably back it up anyway |
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| 08:57.34 | babilen | Many things are possible. My crystal ball isn't quite *that* powerful, so I would prefer to at least see *any* output, error or other indication as to what the problem actually is. |
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| 09:00.27 | jim | jonaus, you're being asked for information about your failed (or whatever) dist-upgrade.... there isn't anything they can do if you don't respond |
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| 09:08.36 | jonaus | jim: sorry! |
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| 09:09.29 | jim | no problem... thanks for responding |
| 09:09.48 | jonaus | OK, i have backup. of most things |
| 09:10.05 | jonaus | Im trying to find the info you need but getting it out of the machine is an issue |
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| 09:10.41 | jim | jonaus, that's good, so if worst cdmes to worst, you could reinstall and restore your personal files |
| 09:10.58 | jonaus | yeah, mostly. |
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| 09:12.04 | jonaus | OK, Im unable to get the external hd to work there, and I can only ssh into the machine with ethernet. But! When I do that, the raspberry pi im one looses internet and appears to require a reboot |
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| 09:12.59 | jim | also, <babilen> jonaus: We would probably also need your sources.list (cf. <show sources.list>) and any commands that led up to the situation. (<show sources.list> â /msg dpkg show sources.list) |
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| 09:13.12 | jim | jonaus, ^^ |
| 09:13.17 | well_laid_lawn | there might be too much of a power draw on that little pi |
| 09:13.33 | jonaus | commands were |
| 09:13.55 | jonaus | apt-get --download-only dist-upgrade |
| 09:13.57 | jim | probably you could pastebin them? |
| 09:14.03 | jonaus | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:14.06 | jonaus | jim |
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| 09:14.12 | jonaus | no, laptop does not have net |
| 09:14.22 | jim | oh ok, so the download only succeeded? |
| 09:14.32 | jonaus | yes, i think so |
| 09:14.43 | jim | were you trying to upgrade laptop? |
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| 09:15.16 | jonaus | yes |
| 09:15.22 | jim | ok... |
| 09:15.34 | jim | can you connect the laptop to the net? |
| 09:15.47 | jonaus | no, it has failed thus far |
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| 09:31.25 | jonaus | babilen: OK. I ran the dist-upgrade command, all went smoothly. Then, it stopped. A series of simiar statements, but all trivial to me "Fontconfig warning", four lines of warnings repeated eioght times |
| 09:31.32 | jonaus | there it was stuck overnight |
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| 09:32.19 | babilen | jonaus: And it is still stopped there? |
| 09:32.26 | jonaus | yes |
| 09:32.34 | babilen | And you haven't aborted it or anything? |
| 09:32.40 | jonaus | wait, d=oh |
| 09:32.45 | jonaus | wrong shell |
| 09:32.49 | jonaus | sorry |
| 09:33.05 | jonaus | it has stopped |
| 09:33.16 | babilen | So the information you just gave me pertains to a different system or a different upgrade? |
| 09:33.20 | jim | jonaus, can you run commands on the laptop now, or is it unusable? |
| 09:33.28 | jonaus | it works fine |
| 09:33.31 | babilen | jonaus: So the dist-upgrade finished? |
| 09:34.30 | jonaus | yes, it appears so. Last entry is an error tho |
| 09:34.48 | jonaus | hangon |
| 09:35.20 | babilen | What is that error? |
| 09:35.42 | jonaus | E: Sub-process /usr/dpkg returned an error code(1) |
| 09:36.04 | jonaus | above about glx-diversions |
| 09:36.05 | babilen | Okay, the actual error will be earlier |
| 09:36.13 | babilen | Ah, nvidia? |
| 09:36.25 | jonaus | yes |
| 09:36.32 | jonaus | I have had... issues with that |
| 09:37.15 | babilen | The actual issue will be mentioned earlier. Could you check for the error message? Also tell us about your issues with the nvidia drivers and the way you installed them. |
| 09:37.15 | jonaus | ok, is there a safe way to check if upgrade actually work... mostly-ish? |
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| 09:38.05 | babilen | Well, it aborted and there was a problem with the nvidia drivers. Therefore it didn't work. You can continue it with "dpkg -a --configure" (configure pending packages), but that will almost certainly run into the same problem again. |
| 09:38.11 | babilen | That is what needs to be solved. |
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| 09:38.27 | jim | well you do still have all the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives (I guess) |
| 09:38.28 | babilen | Once that problem has been sorted out you can continue with "dpkg -a --configure" |
| 09:39.12 | jim | maybe a check of his free disk space could provide some clues |
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| 09:39.28 | Abbott | I was able to create a backport for znc, but now when I run apt-get -f install, it wants to remove them. It also nags me every time i install something saying that znc 1.62 has an unmet dependency znc 1.4 (if I'm reading the error correctly) |
| 09:39.29 | jonaus | ok. huh. found a usb stick, but im not authorized to perform action (that is using it) |
| 09:40.08 | jonaus | tried running nautilus as sudo, but then it is not there |
| 09:40.10 | jonaus | weird |
| 09:40.39 | jim | jonaus, probably not good to do anything which would make your bosses nervous |
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| 09:41.05 | babilen | I think that authorization error pertains to nautilus being unable to mount it, rather than policies at work |
| 09:41.06 | jonaus | jim: no not the boss, the laptop |
| 09:41.18 | jonaus | pops up message says im not authorized to perform action |
| 09:41.29 | jim | ohh |
| 09:41.32 | jonaus | stick is brand new, i removed it from its plastic holder |
| 09:41.36 | jonaus | unused |
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| 09:42.03 | jim | so maybe you can't mount it as non root? |
| 09:42.04 | babilen | nvm, can you see that actual error and what kind of problems did you have with nvidia? How did you install them in the first place? |
| 09:42.46 | Abbott | just kidding i figured out what i did wrong |
| 09:43.08 | jonaus | babilen: Errors encountered while processing: glx-diversions glx-alternative-mesa glx-alternative-nvidia |
| 09:44.00 | jonaus | could it be an ide to simply purge them? I dont need the gpu. |
| 09:44.19 | jonaus | it has an onboard chip fronm intel which can run most things fine |
| 09:44.34 | babilen | jonaus: The actual error will be earlier .. that is simply apt informing you that there *were* errors while it tried to configure those packages |
| 09:45.19 | babilen | And yes, you could purge those packages, but I'd rather see the error first and know some background to your troubles during the initial installation of those drivers |
| 09:45.38 | jonaus | ok... is there an easy way to find them? a log file? |
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| 09:47.37 | jonaus | i scrolled back the last 8800 lines of output from the process |
| 09:47.47 | jonaus | put it in an editor |
| 09:47.54 | jonaus | can search for stuff |
| 09:48.14 | babilen | Just scroll all the way down and then up until you hit the actual error .. It should be pretty obvious |
| 09:48.49 | jonaus | think i got it |
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| 09:49.53 | jonaus | dpkg dependency problems prevent configuration of glx-diversions |
| 09:49.54 | dpkg | jonaus: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 09:50.20 | babilen | jonaus: What kind of dependency problem? |
| 09:50.40 | jonaus | glx-diversions depends on nvidia-installer-cleanup however |
| 09:50.49 | babilen | .. it is not installable |
| 09:50.59 | babilen | Okay, tell me about your troubles .. |
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| 09:51.10 | jonaus | package nvidia-installer-cleanup is not configured yet |
| 09:51.18 | jonaus | thats the message similar for the other two |
| 09:51.30 | jonaus | troubles with nvidia |
| 09:51.48 | jonaus | On first install, nouveau was used, worked fine |
| 09:51.56 | babilen | Okay, that will not be configured becasue *another* package earlier had an error. Go up the chain and find the original error that brought nvidia and related packages to fall |
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| 09:52.06 | jonaus | then i had to do som gpu |
| 09:52.12 | Amnez777 | how to convert epub to pdf in debian |
| 09:52.23 | babilen | Amnez777: You could use calibre for that |
| 09:52.41 | Amnez777 | babilen, yes, but it gives qt error while converting, when i do this in console, i dont have GUI |
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| 09:53.33 | babilen | Amnez777: Then solve that error .. there might be other tools (pandoc comes to mind) |
| 09:54.23 | Amnez777 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:55.18 | jonaus | babilen: no, i dont find any errors related to this before that point |
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| 09:56.13 | jonaus | aptitude serach nvidia-installer-cleanup returns status u for that package |
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| 09:57.37 | jim | are you at work now? |
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| 09:58.19 | jonaus | yes |
| 09:58.22 | Iridos | Amnez777, using /usr/bin/ebook-convert ? |
| 09:58.25 | jim | ok |
| 09:58.38 | jonaus | oh, arch returns x86_64 |
| 09:58.45 | Amnez777 | Iridos, just ebook-convert input.epub output.pdf |
| 09:58.59 | Amnez777 | Iridos, qt is gui |
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| 09:59.50 | jim | jonaus, if you lspci -nn | grep -i net | wc -l |
| 09:59.54 | Iridos | Amnez777, I know |
| 09:59.55 | jim | do you get 2? |
| 10:01.04 | Amnez777 | Iridos, ah ok i did this on x installed server and it worked thanks |
| 10:01.43 | babilen | jonaus: You have various options: 1. Wait until you can connect to ethernet 2. Configure WLAN manually (cf. https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant ) 3. Run "dpkg -a --configure" and try to find the error again 4. Proactively purge all related NVIDIA packages with dpkg (dpkg --purge ..) -- Note that you can't/shouldn't purge glx-diversions as you have to have proper diversions in place for nov |
| 10:01.49 | babilen | eau also 4. Cry |
| 10:02.03 | jonaus | jim: 2 |
| 10:02.08 | Iridos | Amnez777, what exactly was the error? the program doesn't need X... it may need some qt library... but that should be installed via dependencies anyway |
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| 10:02.29 | jim | ok, if you take the | wc -l off, |
| 10:02.37 | jim | one of those is your wireless? |
| 10:03.10 | jim | could I see the thing that looks like [1234:abcd] |
| 10:03.31 | jim | which is its pciide |
| 10:03.34 | jonaus | Think so... Netwok controller 0280 intel corporation centrino advanced n taylor peak |
| 10:03.34 | jim | pciid |
| 10:03.49 | babilen | jim: Why don't we assume that the wifi card is working? |
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| 10:04.26 | jonaus | jim: 8086:0082 in brackets, that one? |
| 10:04.33 | babilen | indeed |
| 10:04.34 | jim | babilen, if we assume that, then would we assume the driver is inserted or that we know which driver it is? |
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| 10:04.43 | babilen | Why does it matter? |
| 10:04.49 | jim | judd, pciid 8086:0082 |
| 10:04.50 | judd | [8086:0082] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0082 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 10:04.54 | jonaus | the wifi finds networks here but cant connect |
| 10:05.01 | babilen | ^ |
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| 10:05.58 | jim | so lspci | grep iwlwifi gets you a line? |
| 10:06.08 | jim | sorry wrong command |
| 10:06.19 | jim | so lsmod | grep iwlwifi gets you a line? |
| 10:06.44 | jonaus | three |
| 10:06.52 | jim | three |
| 10:06.57 | jonaus | three lines |
| 10:07.13 | jonaus | iwlwifi 16671 0 |
| 10:07.42 | jonaus | mac80211 192865 1 iwlwifi |
| 10:07.46 | babilen | jonaus: How are you trying to connect to the wireless wifi? Did that used to work before? |
| 10:07.50 | jim | oh, and others that have iwlwifi in another column |
| 10:08.03 | jonaus | babilen: with the network manager |
| 10:08.04 | babilen | jim: The card is working if it can scan ... |
| 10:08.16 | jim | yep sure is |
| 10:08.26 | jim | but what could have happened? |
| 10:08.34 | babilen | jonaus: And that no longer works? That is why I suggested to configure it manually for the time being in order to get you online |
| 10:08.41 | jonaus | aha |
| 10:08.43 | jonaus | got it |
| 10:08.47 | babilen | (NM is obviously a bit unhappy right now) |
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| 10:09.23 | jim | you're online now? |
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| 10:10.05 | jonaus | with the raspi yes. laptop, no |
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| 10:10.41 | jim | so we can't get your laptop online |
| 10:10.56 | jonaus | maybe i can with wpa+supplicant |
| 10:11.15 | jim | is that how you did it before? |
| 10:11.33 | jonaus | no |
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| 10:11.38 | jonaus | use nm applet before |
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| 10:11.50 | babilen | Haven't we established that already? |
| 10:11.53 | jonaus | but it is acting weird. Nothing happens when i click on stuff etc |
| 10:12.11 | jonaus | think the network is wpa-eap |
| 10:12.14 | babilen | jonaus: What happens if you try the method that I linked twelve minutes ago? |
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| 10:12.59 | jonaus | babilen: im trying to do just that |
| 10:13.03 | jonaus | im not very fast |
| 10:13.13 | jonaus | I read very slowly in englis |
| 10:13.28 | babilen | That's okay, you are doing fine |
| 10:13.42 | jim | what is your native language? |
| 10:14.04 | jonaus | norwegian |
| 10:14.11 | jim | ok |
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| 10:14.51 | DebianCurious800 | Let's say i want to use debian as pure router, there are some services that could create a security unnecessary vulnerability that i can disable ? i started from a vanilla 8.2 net inst |
| 10:15.21 | jonaus | jim: OK. So, from what I understand, there are lots of different kinds of networks, and I need to know in advance if it is wpa, wpa2, etc. How can I check this before I start making config files_ |
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| 10:16.09 | babilen | jonaus: That is explained in the link. The output of "iwlist" will provide you with that information and the wiki details configuration schemes for different network types. |
| 10:16.12 | babilen | But meh .. |
| 10:16.37 | jim | you mean if he scans? |
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| 10:17.39 | babilen | jonaus: I do have to apologise as it is very tricky to work on this if you don't follow up on things I suggest |
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| 10:18.31 | jim | each thing he would suggest could also provide needed info |
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| 10:19.14 | jonaus | babilen, jim: im very happy that you are helping me with this! |
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| 10:21.05 | cuchufli | i seemed to have messed things up by rm -rf'ing /etc/apache2 and /etc/php* etc. in hopes of completely purging all the configuration files and now i can't reinstall a lamp stack correctly. is there a way to get everything back? |
| 10:21.09 | jonaus | OK, iwlist scan gives me WPA and TKIP |
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| 10:21.22 | jim | jonaus, working without a net is like working without a net and tigers are below the net |
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| 10:21.56 | jonaus | haha, true |
| 10:21.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell cuchufli about confmiss |
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| 10:22.26 | jonaus | jim: ok, the guide does not cover wpa tkip as far as i can see but eap is much the same, right? |
| 10:22.39 | babilen | cuchufli: You obviously can't get back the files you deleted unless you made a backup |
| 10:22.46 | jim | this part I dunno :) |
| 10:22.47 | cuchufli | ok |
| 10:23.01 | cuchufli | i just want the defaults that were there previously |
| 10:23.19 | cuchufli | i willl try what dpkg msged me |
| 10:23.21 | cuchufli | thank you :) |
| 10:23.23 | jim | the confmiss thing is one way |
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| 10:23.33 | jim | purge and reinstall is another |
| 10:23.35 | babilen | cuchufli: The method outlined in the private message sent you by dpkg will get you those |
| 10:23.44 | cuchufli | okay perfect |
| 10:23.50 | Amnez777 | Iridos, it was qt error, but when i do the same on computer that has x it worked, it did not work over ssh though..... |
| 10:24.08 | DebianCurious800 | jim: Let's say i want to use debian as pure router, there are some services that could create a security unnecessary vulnerability that i can disable ? i started from a vanilla 8.2 net inst |
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| 10:25.02 | jim | DebianCurious800, probably it's recommended in that case to only do a router on that machine, and don't run any services on that machine |
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| 10:28.34 | jim | DebianCurious800, the kernel you'd be getting from that has iptables and the ipv6 version of iptables, and is plenty capable of doing a router, and probably you'd have to compose the rules |
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| 10:29.34 | jim | there used to be something called ipmasq, which I did fix for my own use, but it's been out of debian for years |
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| 10:30.12 | jim | the thing I fixed works fine on debian 8 |
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| 10:30.59 | jim | I've been looking for whatever debian came up with to replace it though |
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| 10:34.58 | jonaus | meh. Well. I give up trying to get net right now. I#ll try to purge those packages and run babilens dpkg configure commands |
| 10:35.33 | DebianCurious800 | jim: yes indeed i was thinking of disabling all the unneeded stuff but i guess a pure brand new debian have not so much packets already installed right? |
| 10:35.53 | meseira | hi all |
| 10:36.18 | meseira | i just discovered a strange thing with Debian packages |
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| 10:36.38 | jim | DebianCurious800, I'm not sure you'd need any more than the debian's base install (which I don't think has any net services) |
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| 10:37.15 | meseira | the page https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/nodejs/filelist gives me an error because it claims that there is no package called nodejs |
| 10:37.34 | DebianCurious800 | jim: ok so :) |
| 10:37.35 | jonaus | looks like it |
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| 10:37.36 | meseira | but apt-cache policy nodejs says the inverse : |
| 10:37.42 | meseira | 0.10.29~dfsg-2 0 |
| 10:37.43 | meseira | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:38.21 | meseira | everything is up-to-date on my computer ... |
| 10:38.25 | jonaus | babilen: huh. dpkg --purge on those glx packages doesnt work. dependency problems not removing |
| 10:38.41 | meseira | is it possible that packages.debian.org is not sync? |
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| 10:39.07 | DebianCurious800 | jim: do you suggest to use one of this tools? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-automatic-harden.en.html |
| 10:39.25 | brainwash | meseira: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/nodejs/filelist |
| 10:39.32 | jim | I've never used them |
| 10:39.51 | jim | brainwash, ever been to SF's brainwash cafe? |
| 10:40.08 | babilen | jonaus: Sorry, I no longer have time for this. It would have helped if you had tried it earlier (i.e. when I suggested it) |
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| 10:40.26 | brainwash | jim: uhm no |
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| 10:40.31 | meseira | brainwash: thanks but "all" includes "amd64", isn't it? |
| 10:40.44 | jim | it's a cafe and a landromat |
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| 10:41.24 | jonaus | babilen: ok, np. Thanks for the help you gave me! |
| 10:41.51 | jim | meseira, I think "all" are the packages that install on any arch (i.e.,those that have no machine dependencies) |
| 10:42.02 | brainwash | ^ |
| 10:42.52 | jim | binary libs and binary executables are examples of things that -are- specific machine dependent |
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| 10:45.16 | meseira | jim: ok, thanks for this info! |
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| 10:45.52 | meseira | i had never realized this subtlety ;-) |
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| 10:47.29 | jim | meseira, packages that only have documentation, or just text files, or scripts in such languages as perl, python, tcl, scheme, php, etc, are examples of "all" packages (i.e., their arch would be "all") |
| 10:48.03 | meseira | jim: ok |
| 10:49.37 | jim | meseira, that way, programs like apt-get know what packages can be installed on machines |
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| 10:54.12 | Iridos | meseira, it is actually quite literal... the packages in "all" can be installed on all architectures... |
| 10:55.02 | foormea | hi! i'm wondering, when i change my system-wide keymap via dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, it changes some settings in /etc/default/keyboard, but only related to xkb. where are the console keyboard settings placed? i've had a look in /etc/initramfs-tools and couldn't see much change after a keymap change via dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-settings :/ |
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| 11:04.31 | brainwash | foormea: maybe in /etc/console-setup/ |
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| 11:04.47 | foormea | i think i'm getting closer, might be /etc/kbd |
| 11:05.06 | Abbott | are ubuntu and debian packages interchangeable for the most part? |
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| 11:05.46 | Mathisen | they are good friends |
| 11:06.05 | testpil0t | Abbott, sometimes yes. Esp. between Ubuntu and Testing |
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| 11:08.14 | Abbott | I just thought it was strange when someone suggested i just dpkg the .deb for the ubuntu release of plex |
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| 11:08.22 | Abbott | it seemed not normal |
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| 11:08.39 | testpil0t | it might work tho :) |
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| 11:10.39 | Iridos | Abbott, installing ubuntu packages into debian is often a good way to break the packaging system... |
| 11:10.48 | Iridos | Abbott, we call it... |
| 11:10.51 | Iridos | dpkg, frankendebian |
| 11:10.52 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 11:11.17 | Abbott | lol |
| 11:11.20 | Iridos | Abbott, it also voids you warranty :P |
| 11:11.39 | Iridos | (as in, people in here will yell at you and refuse to answer questions) |
| 11:12.33 | Abbott | seems reasonable enough :) |
| 11:12.46 | Iridos | FSVO reasonable |
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| 11:15.13 | rgr | many install just fine. the oracle java ppa springs to mind. just dont force things. |
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| 11:46.04 | DebianCurious800 | wich is the difference between unattended-upgrades and cron-apt ?? |
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| 12:08.30 | Iridos | rgr, you don't really want to install any package that has libraries that other packages on your system use (and in a different version than on stable)... needs some expertise/experience to decide if it's safe to mix in a package or not |
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| 12:22.02 | jonaus | jim, babilen: Hi! I just wantet to say that your suggestions worked brilliantly and I have now recovered my laptop! The upgrade worked fine, and jessie is looking real good! |
| 12:22.15 | babilen | yay! |
| 12:22.18 | babilen | Well done :) |
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| 12:23.09 | jim | jonaus, excellent! did you get your laptop on the net? |
| 12:23.10 | jonaus | So, thanks a LOT for your help! And let me just please apologize for my... not being able to follow instructions correctly. |
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| 12:24.04 | jim | jonaus, could you stay for a few minutes? |
| 12:24.10 | jonaus | sure |
| 12:24.24 | jonaus | I dont have net yet, but I think al get that fixed soon enough |
| 12:24.55 | jim | that sounds good too |
| 12:25.11 | jonaus | yea, Im very happy! |
| 12:25.58 | jim | I might know a norwegian speaker |
| 12:26.09 | jim | trying to find out now |
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| 12:27.09 | jonaus | Oh, wow! Thanks! That is real nice of you. |
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| 12:29.00 | jim | welcome, probably I'll know in a few minutes |
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| 12:33.01 | jim | jonaus, so what's fixed, is the dist-upgrade, and so it's completed? |
| 12:33.20 | felon- | hm |
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| 12:35.19 | jonaus | jim: yup! The distupgrade is complete, the system boots I can log in and jessie is beautiful |
| 12:36.18 | jim | great :) I'm curious about a few things... I wonder if you could run the dist-upgrade again, just to make sure it's all zeros |
| 12:36.35 | jim | maybe first, you could run... |
| 12:36.44 | jim | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 12:36.45 | dpkg | jim: wish i knew |
| 12:38.04 | jim | jonaus, yeah, run dpkg --configure --pending first, if there's no output, that's a good sign |
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| 12:38.19 | jonaus | okno output |
| 12:38.25 | jim | great |
| 12:38.44 | jim | ok, try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:38.51 | jim | see what it wants to do |
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| 12:39.08 | jonaus | yea! But, since I have no net isnt it a bit risky to do that? |
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| 12:39.39 | jim | I think it will ask you if you want to continue first' |
| 12:39.49 | jonaus | ah, ok |
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| 12:40.27 | jim | also, two things, you didn't run apt-get update (don;t do that) and you should still have all the dist-upgrade packages in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 12:41.20 | jim | we're just verifying that it's completely done |
| 12:41.39 | jonaus | OK, it askes me if I want to move ahead. |
| 12:41.41 | jonaus | hangon |
| 12:42.11 | jonaus | "1 upgraded, 1 newly installed 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded" |
| 12:42.13 | jonaus | "After this operation 276kB disk space will be freed" |
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| 12:42.32 | jonaus | Oh, and "need to get 195kB of archioives" |
| 12:42.37 | jim | we don't need to do it now |
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| 12:42.55 | jonaus | ok, ill do it when I get net then |
| 12:43.06 | jim | you can say "no" to "move forward?" and run it later |
| 12:44.05 | jonaus | It asked me to continue, I said no, and it aborted. So, ill just run an update, safeupgrade and then distupgrade later on, I guess? |
| 12:44.15 | jim | does it say which package it wants to install? |
| 12:44.18 | jim | wait |
| 12:44.26 | jim | don't run update yet |
| 12:45.03 | jonaus | ok. |
| 12:45.15 | jim | just run the distupgrade, let it remove the one package, upgrade the one other |
| 12:46.22 | jonaus | ok |
| 12:46.23 | jim | and, again, you don't have to do any of this now |
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| 12:46.51 | jim | it would be good to be connected to the net when you do it |
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| 12:47.19 | jonaus | yea. It says that it is unable to fetch arhives so i must have net. You are right |
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| 12:48.25 | jim | does it say which .deb it was trying to download |
| 12:48.26 | jim | ? |
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| 12:48.41 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to run Debian Testing / KDE 5 on top of debian stable? |
| 12:48.59 | jim | you could run it in a chroot |
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| 12:49.27 | jim | (you'd be running the stable kernel tho) |
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| 12:49.38 | bazhang | vbox it |
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| 12:49.46 | JyZyXEL | that is probably not optimal |
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| 12:49.55 | lunagirl | hi jim |
| 12:49.56 | Iridos | kernel wouldn't (shouldn't) matter for kde |
| 12:49.57 | jim | probably not |
| 12:50.06 | jim | lunagirl, hi! |
| 12:50.08 | bazhang | nor is running kde5 on top of something |
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| 12:50.32 | jim | lunagirl, I;d like to introduce you to jonaus |
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| 12:51.17 | lunagirl | hej jonaus |
| 12:51.27 | jonaus | jim: yes. But... right now Ill just enjoy the (mostly) complete victory. Ill deal with the rest later. With net. So, again, thanks a lot for your help - you people are amazing |
| 12:51.29 | lunagirl | hur er det med dig |
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| 12:51.44 | jonaus | alt er utmerket! |
| 12:51.54 | lunagirl | bra ock höra :) |
| 12:52.15 | jonaus | Naa virker laptopen min igjen, saa naa er alt bare velstand. Enn du? |
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| 12:52.54 | lunagirl | oh, ok, vilket problem hadde du? |
| 12:53.46 | ralpheeee | o/ new to debian...running it with i3wm...installed android-studio but am unable to find the program with dmenu..... |
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| 12:54.18 | jonaus | jeg hadde dist-upgrade som skar seg halvveis i prosessen. Me det resultat at jeg ogsaa mista internett. Saa da var det litt vanskelig aa faa maskinen til aa fungere igjen. Men takket vaere jim og babilen er naa det meste paa plass, hjelpen de ga var uvurderlig |
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| 12:55.14 | lunagirl | jim är en bra mann |
| 12:55.35 | jonaus | ja, veldig! |
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| 12:55.54 | Iridos | guys... we're really an english-language channel... and as this seems to be more like a bit social chatter... we have a splendid channel #debian-offtopic for that :) |
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| 12:56.18 | lunagirl | Iridos: duly noted :) |
| 12:56.19 | Iridos | ralpheeee, android-studio? there's no package for that in debian |
| 12:56.49 | ralpheeee | Iridos, https://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html |
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| 12:57.20 | jim | Iridos, I was just introducing them in case lunagirl can help with connecting his wireless at work |
| 12:57.29 | ralpheeee | did manual dl unpacked....placed in opt and copied shortcut to applications |
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| 12:58.41 | Iridos | mmh, I now see what dmenu is, never used it, though |
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| 12:59.19 | ralpheeee | Iridos: well i actuaally use rofi...but thought if there were more i3 userss out there they would know dmenu |
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| 13:00.11 | aZz7eCh | Hi Debian - Cont. Q: from Yesterday RE: Sound Vanishing. No Errors, just completely lose audio, randomly, all the time - very annoying. Someone here suggested I pastebin alsa-info before it stops working and after - which I have now done, but, I'm not really seeing what I should be looking for in it. I can link the pastebin links if easier |
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| 13:00.51 | pk64 | Hi, I've been packaging Ice ( a rom manager) for SteamOS. The python setup dumps 2 root owned directories. FOr cleanup, dh_clean didn't seem to remove them, and currently I have them overriden with sudo rm -rf directives. Can I avoid this? |
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| 13:02.36 | aZz7eCh | .. its an epic wall of text /facepalm |
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| 13:04.29 | Iridos | aZz7eCh, the trick would be to compare before and after... probably not so many differences... how did you get "alsa-info"? what command did you run? |
| 13:04.54 | aZz7eCh | i ran ./alsa-info_alsa-info.sh then exited the script |
| 13:04.58 | aZz7eCh | which auto writes to a file |
| 13:05.05 | aZz7eCh | then copy pasted that contents to pastebin |
| 13:05.09 | ralpheeee | also trying to install Linux 4.3 for 64-bit PCs but it just hangs (testing)...am i missing something specific (using synaptic) |
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| 13:05.23 | Iridos | that's a script from some website, I guess |
| 13:05.48 | aZz7eCh | from the alsa-info.org website yes |
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| 13:06.04 | aZz7eCh | or whatever it was. i wget'd alsa-info but it wont run choose what i try |
| 13:06.13 | aZz7eCh | so got it manually |
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| 13:08.05 | aZz7eCh | .... oh my go |
| 13:08.09 | aZz7eCh | ---- its a BUG |
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| 13:08.16 | aZz7eCh | after all this time |
| 13:08.31 | aZz7eCh | i've just realised if i mute the volume control, THen turn it back up again - voila |
| 13:08.37 | aZz7eCh | sound returns |
| 13:08.38 | aZz7eCh | wth |
| 13:08.44 | aZz7eCh | 2 weeks of hell |
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| 13:09.21 | liteIRC | hi all |
| 13:09.55 | pk64 | can anyone help on my dh_clean problem? am am trying to see if there are any hints in the maintainers guide |
| 13:09.59 | aZz7eCh | okay i spoke to soon its gone again and no the volume control doesn't bring it back |
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| 13:10.34 | Iridos | ralpheeee, in general, the recommended way to install testing is to install a minimal stable, then upgrade that to testing... the testing installer is more for testing the installer (i.e. you might want to write a bug report on it)... although I have heared that the current stretch installer seemed to work quite decently |
| 13:11.01 | themill | pk64: you'd delete the directories either by fixing the build system to properly clean or by overriding dh_auto_clean to also do the deletion. They won't be root owned if you're not building as root |
| 13:11.24 | aZz7eCh | Iridos: to make things worse, if I go into Sound settings, I can test and hear front left/right, just fine. |
| 13:11.25 | DebianCurious800 | on stability side, including non free firmware is a bad thing ? |
| 13:11.42 | themill | dpkg: tell pk64 about mentors |
| 13:11.48 | pk64 | I think the python setup needs root access to touch /usr/local themill , I'll figure out a more elegant way. I was just curious |
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| 13:11.57 | themill | DebianCurious800: you either need it or you don't; it's not really optional. |
| 13:12.04 | ralpheeee | Iridos: so what i was use a net install for stable...once done...i changed all the repo's to testing non free....thats ok right? |
| 13:12.04 | liteIRC | hi all. I forgot my root password. someone told me to enter single-user mode through grub, but when i entered, kernel told me to enter root password or pass Ctrl-D. what should i do? |
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| 13:12.23 | DebianCurious800 | themill: i need it for bluetooth and wifi but idk |
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| 13:12.29 | Iridos | ralpheeee, pretty much that... |
| 13:12.47 | themill | pk64: you shouldn't be installing into /usr/local anyway -- package building should install into a local directory so that it can be copied into the package; packages never install into /usr/local in any case |
| 13:13.00 | ralpheeee | Iridos: cool...thxs!! |
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| 13:13.37 | pk64 | themill: alright, i'll plan out fixing the setup.py script and utilizing my install file |
| 13:13.40 | pk64 | thank you |
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| 13:14.16 | themill | pk64: you might like to look at dh_python{2,3} and pybuild as helpers for your d/rules |
| 13:14.22 | liujingtu | test if i'm called liteirc |
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| 13:14.39 | pk64 | will do themill , not using the helper right now, but def. could lend a hand |
| 13:14.53 | themill | you should be |
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| 13:15.33 | themill | pk64: https://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide |
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| 13:16.46 | pk64 | thank you themill |
| 13:16.57 | liujingtu | or rather, kernel said "Give root password for maintenance or type Control-D to continue" |
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| 13:19.31 | avaruuskadetti | What will happen if I call mmap(2) with 0 as the addr? It's supposed to be some kind of hint for the kernel but I don't get it |
| 13:19.41 | liujingtu | i write "single" before "ro" in the grub, but i can't enter single-user mode |
| 13:21.53 | liujingtu | i solved it |
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| 13:22.41 | avaruuskadetti | l |
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| 13:24.02 | jim | jonaus, lunagirl is very busy atm... and, she can be an occasional resource, maybe she can help sometime with the wireless |
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| 13:27.51 | ralpheeee | havin issues with teamviewer install (wrong architecture) whats the best way forward? |
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| 13:53.37 | aZz2eCh | Pls save me from going mental. Gnome, Jessie, audio vanishes. Completely. No errors... volume bars still there to adjust. if I go into settings>sound, i can TEST the speakers and they work fine. Yet gnome, and no application has any sound what so ever. |
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| 13:54.25 | aZz2eCh | randomly rebooting till it works again (albeit temporarily) ... is just killing this os for me :( |
| 13:54.34 | aZz2eCh | 2 weeks now and still have no resolution to this |
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| 13:58.07 | aZz2eCh | addtionally - once its vanished, if i try playing an mp3, it opens as tho it is and plays ... but of course you cant hear anything. while this is open and playing however, if you then try to test audio in settings ... it doesn't work. until you close the audio player and do it again |
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| 14:08.33 | musca | aZz7eCh: do you accidentally hit a mute hotkey? Many keyboards have such keys. |
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| 14:18.28 | ins3 | Hi all, I am having a really weird issue with my server. I can't do anything, not even create files because it says it's out of space: |
| 14:18.30 | ins3 | touch: cannot touch âtestâ: No space left on device |
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| 14:18.39 | ins3 | upon removing everything in /tmp, it fixes itself for a few seconds |
| 14:18.44 | ins3 | and then it happens again |
| 14:18.49 | ins3 | df -h says there's tons of space left |
| 14:19.05 | ins3 | there's nothing in /tmp either |
| 14:19.08 | slax0r | ins3: maybe you are running out of inodes |
| 14:19.35 | slax0r | what does df -i say? |
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| 14:20.44 | ins3 | slax0r: https://paste.debian.net/365825/ |
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| 14:21.26 | slax0r | ins3: your root partition has no inodes left |
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| 14:21.34 | ins3 | I'm not sure what that means; but how do I solve it? |
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| 14:22.34 | slax0r | ins3: each file/dir has an associated inode, and a filesystem only has so many of those, what that means is that you have a lot of small files, somewhere |
| 14:22.38 | slax0r | find / -xdev -printf '%h\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -k 1 -n |
| 14:22.50 | slax0r | this should list you all dirs with the number of files wach one holds |
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| 14:23.26 | kiavolo | ciao |
| 14:23.30 | kiavolo | !list |
| 14:23.30 | dpkg | kiavolo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 14:23.50 | ins3 | slax0r: that doesn't work because there's no space left. will for i in /*; do echo $i; find $i |wc -l; done do the same thing? |
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| 14:24.05 | ins3 | sort: cannot create temporary file in â/tmpâ: No space left on device |
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| 14:24.46 | ralpheeee | can any1 help me with installing teamviewer....on website of teamviewer:'dpkg --add-architecture i386" & "apt-get update" i did that and my system removed a ton of packages in the process.... |
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| 14:25.02 | ralpheeee | luckily i had done a clonzilla backup |
| 14:25.23 | flavi0 | Hi there folks. I'm for the first time working on a debian system which I do not administer myself. I'd like to install packages via apt as a user. It seems using a chroot is the only reasonably way if I want to be able to use apt-get (for upgrading etc.)? |
| 14:25.28 | ralpheeee | https://www.teamviewer.com/hi/help/363-How-do-I-install-TeamViewer-on-my-Linux-distribution.aspx#other |
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| 14:26.08 | slax0r | ins3: maybe this: du --inodes -S | sort -rh | sed -n '1,50{/^.\{71\}/s/^\(.\{30\}\).*\(.\{37\}\)$/\1...\2/;p}' ? |
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| 14:26.32 | flavi0 | I mean I can always do apt-get download ; dpkg -i --root=..., however then I won't get automatic upgrades, dependency resolution etc. If apt-get cannot do it by itself, are there user-space wrappers which would allow me to use it without chroot permission? |
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| 14:27.03 | flavi0 | "user-space" I guess you know what I mean (non-root) |
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| 14:27.08 | ins3 | yeah worked slax0r; thanks. |
| 14:27.15 | ins3 | 476 ./.cpan/build/CPAN-2.10-RcnWRL/distroprefs <-- that's the highest one |
| 14:27.35 | ins3 | I removed around 7k files which were all IRC logs and it still gives me the same error |
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| 14:28.38 | slax0r | ins3: well, if you've removed those files on a different partition, then it won't help |
| 14:28.44 | slax0r | and ~480 is not really much |
| 14:28.56 | ins3 | yeah, how stupid of me |
| 14:28.57 | slax0r | oh and, you did cd / before running that last command, right? |
| 14:29.04 | ins3 | alright, I deleted all of them |
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| 14:29.27 | ins3 | barely use perl anyways |
| 14:29.41 | ins3 | IFree is 476 now so that should be solved |
| 14:29.48 | ins3 | thanks for the help slax0r |
| 14:30.00 | slax0r | well, you free'd up 480 inodes |
| 14:30.03 | slax0r | from 1281119 used |
| 14:30.08 | slax0r | so that won't last long I'd guess |
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| 14:30.19 | slax0r | normally logs can eat up inodes, or mail spool |
| 14:30.38 | ins3 | 1072368 /var/spool/mqueue-client |
| 14:30.39 | ins3 | yeah.... |
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| 14:30.47 | ins3 | jesus christ |
| 14:31.05 | ins3 | I'm migrating servers soon slax0r: any tips for preventing this from happening? |
| 14:31.49 | slax0r | normally you'll want to find what daemon/service/whatever is generating so much files, and prevent it to do so, how to prevent it, depends on the daemon/service/whatever |
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| 14:32.49 | slax0r | seems like you are using sendmail extensively somewhere, and it keeps queueing messages and never really sending them out |
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| 14:33.12 | pial | ;v libasound2-plugins |
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| 14:33.41 | pial | ,v libasound2-plugins |
| 14:33.42 | judd | Package: libasound2-plugins on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.23-1+b1; wheezy: 1.0.25-2; jessie: 1.0.28-1+b1; sid: 1.0.29-1; stretch: 1.0.29-1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.29-dmo1 |
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| 14:34.08 | TAiS46 | Hello, if I install php7 from dotdeb with "apt-get install php7" will it be easy to activate php5 again? |
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| 14:36.26 | ins3 | thanks for the help slax0r |
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| 14:40.54 | DebianCurious400 | Just a simple question: is possibile to have a pppoe connection without eth0 open ? I mean i want only the ppp0 interface configured but i don't want if possible that eth0 will take also an internal ip |
| 14:41.42 | ChrisH | DebianCurious400: pppoE E stands for Ethernet, How could this work? |
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| 14:42.15 | DebianCurious400 | ChrisH: i know, i mean phisycally the eth0 must be here, what i don't want is also assign a secondary ip to eth0 |
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| 14:42.56 | edkizzle | Hey guys. I'm trying to migrate my wordpress site and emails from an old 32 bit debian 7 server to my new AMD64 debian 8 server, will I have any issues? |
| 14:43.23 | ruehrkuchen | edkizzle: if everything is correctly configured, no |
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| 14:45.46 | edkizzle | what I did so far, was I installed, debian 8, LAMP, webmin, virtualmin on new machine, old machine has older versions of all these software, I plan on migrating first the entire public_html folder for wordpress to the new virtual server, and transferin email directories after I recreate the email users on the new machine exactly as it was before, I believe I am using postfix. Then i will backup old MYSQL db for wordpress on old machine and move it. is |
| 14:45.46 | edkizzle | this the right approach? |
| 14:47.19 | edkizzle | then of course, creating the new mysql credentials and pasting them into the config files for wordpress. |
| 14:47.45 | ruehrkuchen | yes, make sure you've configured all the services correctly, and webmin/virtualmin on a public internet isn't really recommended :) |
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| 14:48.21 | edkizzle | ruehrkuchen, why do you not recommend it? due to security? |
| 14:48.32 | ruehrkuchen | yes |
| 14:48.39 | de-facto | Is that adding "UseRoaming no" to /etc/ssh_config recommended for preventing this new OpenSSH bug? http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg144351.html |
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| 14:49.44 | edkizzle | ruehrkuchen, do you have any article to refer to that I could read that backs this up? |
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| 14:50.56 | ruehrkuchen | about webmin? |
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| 14:51.20 | edkizzle | ruehrkuchen, yes |
| 14:51.22 | bazhang | !webmin |
| 14:51.22 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 14:51.31 | bazhang | see above |
| 14:51.38 | ruehrkuchen | lol, nice text at dpkg |
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| 14:51.44 | bazhang | tks |
| 14:51.52 | de-facto | is /etc/ssh_config even the correct location for "UseRoaming no" in CVE-2016-0777? |
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| 14:53.33 | ruehrkuchen | de-facto: maybe the developers of ssh could help: #ssh |
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| 14:54.32 | ruehrkuchen | try -openssh too |
| 14:54.35 | ruehrkuchen | #openssh |
| 14:54.35 | edkizzle | are all config panels like cPanel and webmin and directadmin equally bad to you guys? or is it webmin in particular that is so insecure? |
| 14:54.37 | Dad` | de-facto: it should be /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
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| 14:56.11 | ruehrkuchen | edkizzle: it doesn't matter what you use, every thing will hackers more room to attack |
| 14:56.23 | ruehrkuchen | +will hackers give |
| 14:56.42 | Iridos | edkizzle, there's a quite specific webmin-dislike around... I haven't used any of those, though, so I don't care so much... you might look at the webmin factoid with /msg dpkg webmin |
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| 14:59.07 | ruehrkuchen | i personally think, control panels are for lazy peoples |
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| 14:59.28 | mfe | hi |
| 14:59.41 | mfe | how can i determine my mac adress of my wifi card? |
| 14:59.46 | phr34k | hey, small question, i had nginx 1.2 installed via apt-get (on debian wheezy), and now i am trying to upgrade it the latest stable version |
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| 14:59.57 | phr34k | so i've added 'deb http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ wheezy nginx' to the sources.list and the src counterpart - but now when installing i'm getting an error on dpkg-deb |
| 15:00.04 | ruehrkuchen | mfe: iwconfig |
| 15:00.22 | ChrisH | DebianCurious400: I still do not understand why and I did not use PPPoE for several years on Linux but moved it onto a seperat Router/Box. |
| 15:00.29 | mfe | ruehrkuchen: iwconfig doesnt't show the mac |
| 15:00.36 | mfe | maybe because im in monitore mode? |
| 15:00.39 | phr34k | here is the console output: http://pastebin.com/4NKDrFig |
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| 15:00.53 | ruehrkuchen | mfe: ifconfig, look at the hardware address |
| 15:01.02 | ruehrkuchen | it should be a 12 digit number with letters |
| 15:01.07 | Iridos | mfe, /sbin/ifconfig |grep HWaddr ... it's the one after HWaddr |
| 15:01.09 | ruehrkuchen | xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx |
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| 15:02.10 | mfe | Iridos: that command also doesnt show anything. |
| 15:02.44 | mfe | ifconfig prints unspec F4-F2-6D-0D-B8-47-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 15:02.48 | ech0s7 | i'm using "debuild -us -uc" to build a pkg, how can i build the same pkg without clean the sources ? for instance if i do some edit, i don't want that debuild clean everithings and start from beginning |
| 15:02.55 | Iridos | phr34k, you shouldn't install packages from 3rd-party repos |
| 15:03.01 | mfe | so i got more than 12... |
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| 15:03.19 | Iridos | mfe, for what interface? |
| 15:03.28 | Iridos | judd, versions nginx |
| 15:03.30 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5; jessie-backports: 1.9.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.9.6-2; stretch: 1.9.6-2 |
| 15:03.55 | mfe | for wlxf42d0d847 |
| 15:04.01 | mfe | thats the inferface from what i want the mac |
| 15:04.06 | mfe | i gout 16 groups |
| 15:04.46 | Iridos | phr34k, there's 1.6.2 in backports. |
| 15:04.54 | Iridos | dpkg, tell phr34k about debian-backports |
| 15:05.00 | oobe | Hi am running ubuntu can I ask for advice on using ubuntu in this channel? I do recall a lot of annoyance when knoppix brought in a lot of new users who were told not to ask advice on using knoppix in debian as it was one of the first ever distros to attract a new audience to debian and apt / dpkg, anyway based on this recollection I just wanted to ask my original question purely to see if I could perjaps annoy anyone here does this question annoy anyone h |
| 15:05.01 | oobe | ere? |
| 15:05.05 | phr34k | Iridos, howcome? it's a development machine, and i need the latest version because of the feature-set, and since the 1.2 is packaged otherwise. |
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| 15:06.02 | ruehrkuchen | judd: versions php |
| 15:06.03 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 23; sid: 23; experimental: 23+coinst |
| 15:06.09 | ruehrkuchen | wut |
| 15:06.11 | oobe | none? |
| 15:06.12 | ruehrkuchen | judd: versions php5 |
| 15:06.13 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze28; wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: |
| 15:06.14 | judd | 5.6.16+dfsg-2; stretch: 5.6.17+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.17+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:06.41 | ruehrkuchen | no 7.0 :( |
| 15:06.44 | ruehrkuchen | yet |
| 15:06.44 | Iridos | phr34k, because 3rd-party repos have an unknown quality... and are made by people who don't really know/care too much about making good debian packages... which is why you get the error? |
| 15:06.44 | FlawlesS | hi lads |
| 15:06.46 | oobe | pastebin is nice |
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| 15:07.41 | oobe | you can even get a perl script that pipes the stdout of any shell command to a curl auto generated pastebin url |
| 15:07.43 | Iridos | dpkg, tell phr34k about frankendebian |
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| 15:08.21 | Iridos | phr34k, also... why does running oldstable-debian make sense on a development machine? |
| 15:08.41 | phr34k | because it mimics our production environment? |
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| 15:09.09 | Iridos | then breaking its packaging system by installing weird packages makes no sense either, though? |
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| 15:10.58 | ruehrkuchen | is software raid ok on a virtual server? i have 2x 240 gb |
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| 15:11.32 | phr34k | depends on what your definition of weird is to be honest, these are the packages maintained by nginx themselves, it's not a weird third-party affiliate. |
| 15:12.16 | phr34k | but yeah either way, debian backports doesn't meet my demands either, the version is still too old, 1.6 from what i saw. |
| 15:12.39 | Yukiteru | hi everybody |
| 15:13.30 | Yukiteru | anybody knows how setup gdm3 using wayland with a high resolution?? |
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| 15:16.19 | Rymax99 | What's the best way to see the maximum amount of size I can grow a raid array? |
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| 15:18.20 | NRoach44 | Probably already been asked, but |
| 15:18.35 | NRoach44 | how are we supposed to apply UseRoaming no when it crashes the ssh server |
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| 15:20.57 | petemc | NRoach44: its a client config option, not server |
| 15:21.31 | NRoach44 | oohhh |
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| 15:22.00 | NRoach44 | that makes a lot more sense |
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| 15:23.19 | Triski | here is more info about http://superuser.com/questions/825634/what-could-roaming-not-allowed-by-server-of-ssh-client-mean |
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| 15:24.06 | NRoach44 | cheers Triski |
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| 15:25.08 | Che-Anarc | Is there a guide or any instructions on how I can wrap my sysvint scripts with systemd? - I'm having trouble executing my scripts which result in 'Unit TEST.service failed to load: No such file or directory.' |
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| 15:25.32 | Che-Anarc | The scripts themselves work fine if I invoke them directly via /etc/init.d/TEST |
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| 15:26.16 | NRoach44 | have you tried doing a systemctl daemon-reload |
| 15:26.19 | NRoach44 | or similar |
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| 15:27.10 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Si tu fueras mi mujer |
| 15:27.21 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | mi compañera, y te tuviese conmigo siempre muy cerca |
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| 15:27.35 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Si tu fueras mi mujer, si tú quisieras, todo sería distinto de otra manera. |
| 15:28.20 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Hola aguamarina |
| 15:28.25 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | que tal estás por estos lares |
| 15:28.38 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Te quiero tal y como eres |
| 15:28.43 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | con todos tus defectos |
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| 15:28.50 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | con todas esas dudas sobre mí. |
| 15:28.59 | Lyden | hello |
| 15:28.59 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Te queiro cojmo nadie te ha querido |
| 15:29.02 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | HOLITAS |
| 15:29.05 | Lyden | am i in the wrong channel |
| 15:29.16 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Hay solo una razón te quiero, y es todo lo que puedo comprender |
| 15:29.21 | Triski | lol |
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| 15:29.26 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Te quiero tanto, te busco en la penumbra gris |
| 15:29.27 | slax0r | o.O |
| 15:29.34 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | soy un botito programado para amar angelitos |
| 15:29.44 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | solo angelitos angelito angelite angelita |
| 15:29.52 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | yo sólo se que eres una moneda |
| 15:29.58 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | que vas d emano en mano |
| 15:30.03 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | sin un lugar seguro dónde vas. |
| 15:30.14 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Te quiero tanto, que lucho por llenar mi soledad, pensando en ti. |
| 15:30.18 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Te sueño junto a mí. |
| 15:30.21 | slax0r | pfote: check this out ^^ |
| 15:30.26 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Te quiero y espero que me ayudes a vivir |
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| 15:30.31 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | Hola hola hoal holita |
| 15:30.57 | Triski | seems to be a bot |
| 15:30.58 | pfote | wtf |
| 15:30.58 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | soy un robotito programado para amar angelito, angelito, angelito, angelito |
| 15:31.07 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | que penita me da angelito angelita angelita |
| 15:31.13 | Yukiteru | WTF! |
| 15:31.16 | nkuttler | !ops ^^ |
| 15:31.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: ^^ |
| 15:31.23 | Diana_Diosa_de_l | soy un rorbotito programado para amar angelitos angelito angelito |
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| 15:31.45 | pfote | dondelelcaro: gracias! |
| 15:31.59 | jim | Diana_Diosa_de_l, maybe there's a #debian-es |
| 15:32.03 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 15:32.04 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 15:32.23 | Yukiteru | jim, don't send at debian-es |
| 15:33.12 | jim | Yukiteru, not sure what you're saying... clarify? |
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| 15:34.50 | Yukiteru | jim, don't send Diana_Diosa_de_l at debian-es channel |
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| 15:35.23 | jim | Yukiteru, why not? she wasn't being reasonable? |
| 15:35.40 | jim | well point is moot now |
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| 15:38.08 | armin | > ~ host ftp.de.debian.org |
| 15:38.09 | armin | ftp.de.debian.org has address 141.76.2.4 |
| 15:38.10 | Yukiteru | jim, she's a troll or bot, and nothing reasonable |
| 15:38.10 | armin | > ~ |
| 15:38.12 | armin | :( |
| 15:38.17 | armin | still no ipv6 records here? |
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| 15:38.44 | jim | Yukiteru, were you able to understand what it/she was saying? |
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| 15:39.52 | armin | even nl, uk and ir got ipv6 records these days, and nl people are lazy, smoking weed is allowed there. |
| 15:39.55 | Yukiteru | jim, yes i'm the spanish is my primary language |
| 15:41.12 | Yukiteru | jim, my bad english beatrays me :D |
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| 15:42.18 | jim | Yukiteru, actually, you seemed to be sure of her/its intent, so I figured you could have understaood |
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| 15:43.28 | jim | in any case, she was klined |
| 15:43.43 | armin | for country in de ch at fr cz pl; do host ftp.${country}.debian.org | grep -i ipv6 >/dev/null || echo "$country sucks"; done |
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| 15:48.05 | jim | armin, taking cheap shots at countries because an irc server inside doesn't conform to your wishes... there would be a problem with form for that case |
| 15:48.49 | jim | and that's a LOT of cheap shots... |
| 15:49.18 | ewew | The bug in opessh has been fixed. https://anongit.mindrot.org/openssh.git/commit/ |
| 15:49.29 | ewew | *openssh |
| 15:49.36 | Krakakanok | perfect |
| 15:49.39 | armin | jim: first of all, those are ftp servers, not irc servers. second: i actually am in that country myself. third: all the other countries listed there are the neighbour countries of de. |
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| 15:50.50 | jim | I get it,,, so you're saying for unrelated reasons, they deserve the cheap shots |
| 15:51.03 | armin | jim: wat |
| 15:51.35 | jim | Wide Area Toadstools? |
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| 15:52.05 | dionysus69 | I need a software for screen capture + audio recording? any suggestions for easy setup? |
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| 15:52.54 | armin | dionysus69: you could give SimpleScreenRecorder a go |
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| 15:53.10 | dionysus69 | ok thanks :) |
| 15:53.18 | armin | dionysus69: http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/ |
| 15:53.49 | Iridos | dionysus69, there's also gtk-recordmydesktop .... |
| 15:54.39 | Iridos | dionysus69, that is packaged for debian... pretty much the only non-intuitive thing is the key-combo to stop recording ... (and may need to look in pavucontrol that it's recording an active stream) |
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| 15:54.58 | ralpheeee | trying to setup multiarch support with https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation ....it just messes up my whole system and removes all 64 packages when i update |
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| 15:55.02 | dionysus69 | kk will check that too |
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| 15:56.55 | Iridos | dionysus69, also... apt-cache search screencast or apt-cache search record desktop yields some more packages |
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| 15:58.58 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 15:59.27 | tite12345 | What is the name of the package for Cinnamon DE in Debian repo? |
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| 15:59.56 | tite12345 | I appended contrib non-free by the way for my security advisory line in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 16:00.05 | tite12345 | I assume I might be getting non-free packages? |
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| 16:01.11 | dionysus69 | just found kazam |
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| 16:01.33 | dionysus69 | its pretty good, and works and its in repos |
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| 16:02.20 | tite12345 | dionysus69: What's that? |
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| 16:02.30 | dionysus69 | for recording screencasts |
| 16:02.34 | bazhang | screencast |
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| 16:03.43 | armin | dionysus69: ah, is it a qt/kde application? |
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| 16:04.11 | ruied_ | i'm trying to install debian with araid1 |
| 16:04.31 | tite12345 | Ah |
| 16:04.36 | ruied_ | i'm trying to install debian with software raid1, but can't install grub in /boot raid partition |
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| 16:04.43 | ruied_ | is this possible? |
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| 16:04.57 | tite12345 | Guys not sure which Cinnamon package is known by Debian. |
| 16:05.14 | tite12345 | Which package should I install to have Cinnamon DE? |
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| 16:05.25 | tite12345 | I have like 3 entries that I saw via apt-cache search. |
| 16:05.33 | towo` | cinnamon-desktop-environment |
| 16:05.42 | jim | tite12345, apt-cache search cinnamon maybe |
| 16:05.47 | tite12345 | towo`: Doesn't that include the non-free bits? |
| 16:05.55 | tite12345 | jim: Yeah already did that. |
| 16:06.10 | towo` | tite12345, which non-free bits? |
| 16:06.36 | towo` | tite12345, cinnamon-desktop-environment is in main, so it has not depend to any package in non-free or contrib |
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| 16:07.01 | tite12345 | towo`: Ah, but I have appended contrib non-free on my security source line in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 16:07.06 | tite12345 | Are you sure? |
| 16:07.17 | tite12345 | Just making sure here :) |
| 16:07.29 | towo` | tite12345, if you don't want non-free, why you add it to your sources? |
| 16:07.30 | jim | tite12345, no result? |
| 16:07.37 | tite12345 | jim: I had |
| 16:07.58 | towo` | tite12345, and btw, the security repo is not the standard repo |
| 16:08.03 | tite12345 | towo`: Nah, I just followed this link: https://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 16:08.09 | towo` | maybe you miss the normal debian repo |
| 16:09.37 | jelly | ,v clamav-daemon |
| 16:09.38 | judd | Package: clamav-daemon on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb6u2; wheezy: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; wheezy-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; jessie: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 0.99+dfsg-1; sid: 0.99+dfsg-1 |
| 16:10.18 | jim | , v cinnamon |
| 16:10.20 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; sid: 2.6.13-1; stretch: 2.6.13-1 |
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| 16:16.59 | pial | installing skype in jessie. but libasound2-plugins dependency failed. i have libasound2-plugins installed and updated. why can't skype find it? |
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| 16:18.03 | pial | apt-get install -f removes skype |
| 16:18.17 | blind | Different version, pial? Can you show the error message? |
| 16:18.28 | P4 | Hello. A quick question. I'm trying to read data from external HDD using USB2SATA adapter. I can see /dev/sde with ls, I can see messages is dmesg e.g. âsd 11:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI diskâ and then âlp: driver loaded but no devices foundâ. I cannot access the device with gparted, fdisk, testdisk. Any ideas what could be wrong? Does âlp: driver loaded but no devices foundâ men that the disk |
| 16:18.29 | P4 | could be physically corupted? I had no issues with my USB2SATA adapter in the past reading other external HDDs without a problem. |
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| 16:19.14 | blind | pial: are you on jessie? Looks like they only have a wheezy download.. |
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| 16:20.22 | pial | blind, http://paste.debian.net/365847/ |
| 16:20.33 | pial | yes, i'm on jessie |
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| 16:21.09 | towo` | piwhat doe apt install libasound2-plugins:i386 gives to you? |
| 16:21.44 | pial | towo, it says it is already installed |
| 16:21.46 | P4 | btw. hwinfo lists my device correctly, i believe lp driver is just trying to find the printer which is out of context. |
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| 16:24.01 | pial | towo`, skype works fine without resolving the dependency, but no sound or voice and if i continue like this unresolved dependency blocks other installation |
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| 16:24.26 | blind | you have the i386 version installed too? |
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| 16:24.42 | mfe | hey |
| 16:24.52 | towo` | since skype is crap ... let it go |
| 16:24.56 | pial | blind, only i386 one |
| 16:25.04 | mfe | i got a text file with 1000 word. each word is in one line |
| 16:25.04 | armin | people still use skype? |
| 16:25.07 | armin | jesus. |
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| 16:25.13 | blind | you could try the dynamic skype download instead of the wheezy package |
| 16:25.14 | towo` | ask MS to provide a 64 bit version instead of that crappy 32bit packages |
| 16:25.15 | mfe | how can i add before every word a number? |
| 16:25.19 | blind | just unzip and run |
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| 16:25.34 | armin | could we please stop advising people to use skype in here? |
| 16:25.40 | pial | towo`, no can do, everyone in my work uses it. it is not really a matter of choice |
| 16:25.41 | armin | please. |
| 16:25.52 | blind | Who's advising him to use Skype? I'm just trying to solve his problem. |
| 16:25.56 | blind | He resolved to use Skype on his own. |
| 16:26.09 | armin | his propblem is that he's using skype. |
| 16:26.17 | armin | or her. |
| 16:26.21 | mfe | hi |
| 16:26.41 | blind | Maybe they don't have a choice.. maybe it's a job requirement or their family all uses it. |
| 16:27.01 | blind | "just don't use it" is not very helpful. |
| 16:27.02 | pial | blind, does dynamic skype download has any linux version? |
| 16:27.23 | blind | pial: it _should_... I personally don't use Skype so I'm not sure. |
| 16:27.53 | armin | i've actually testing this. i've sent a private message with an https link containing a user:password combination and a link to a machine i host myself, and i've seen a request from redmond 12 hours later to that link. my apologies, but i refuse to help people to set this 32bit binary blob up on their systems in here. |
| 16:28.21 | blind | That's fine, you don't have to help. But you shouldn't disrupt others trying to. |
| 16:28.36 | pial | blind, official website only seems to have the offline installer for debian 7 |
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| 16:29.00 | blind | pial: one of the options, the bottom option, is "dynamic" - it's a tar.bz2 file |
| 16:29.27 | armin | blind: i wouldn't consider offering help with running untrusted binaries in #debian some kind of help i wouldn't disrupt, my apologies, but that's against any thought that drives debian. |
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| 16:30.13 | blind | So you're saying that if they need to use Skype, they shouldn't use Debian. |
| 16:30.20 | armin | it's a 60mb binary blob that even makes computers a RELAY server without users noticing if you're on a strong connection. |
| 16:30.25 | pial | blind, now that microsoft owns skype, i doubt they have a tar.bz2 |
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| 16:30.34 | blind | pial: ....i just downloaded it. |
| 16:30.40 | blind | pial: are you even looking? |
| 16:30.59 | armin | and they actually do scan *private* chats for http/https/ftp links and access them. |
| 16:31.21 | armin | by all means, i can't justify helping with that kind of spyware crap inside here. |
| 16:31.42 | pial | blind, ok found it |
| 16:31.53 | pial | blind, lets see if it works |
| 16:31.54 | blind | armin: and you don't have to. |
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| 16:32.07 | JyZyXEL | if i want to make trivial changes to a lone debian package, what is the best practices regarding that? |
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| 16:34.13 | mRokita | hello |
| 16:34.26 | mRokita | I've installed a minimal debian install and can't play any sound |
| 16:34.36 | mRokita | Do you have any idea why? |
| 16:34.44 | mRokita | what should i do to check what actually happens? |
| 16:34.51 | armin | mRokita: is your sound device detected correctly? what does aplay -l say? does alsamixer find a mier device? |
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| 16:35.07 | armin | +x |
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| 16:35.37 | mRokita | aplay -l https://gist.github.com/mRokita/148807bf67e8153bd567 |
| 16:35.44 | mRokita | yes, alsamixer finds a mixer device |
| 16:35.50 | mRokita | ^ armin |
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| 16:36.38 | armin | mRokita: looks good to me. what does mpg123 or mplayer say if you feed it an mp3 file? |
| 16:36.54 | mRokita | no errors using play *.mp3 |
| 16:36.56 | mRokita | just no sound |
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| 16:37.30 | armin | mRokita: then your sound is muted in some way or you have some levels set to zero or your cable is plugged in to the wrong jack or broken. |
| 16:38.03 | flavi0 | to answer my earlier question, seems to be that apt-get always assumes to be running in the root directory and also UID 0. chroot can do it but for that I also need root permission. there is proot, which implements this fully for a non-root user, and seems to do the trick (although i'm still struggling with details): |
| 16:38.20 | pial | blind, thanks, it's working |
| 16:38.27 | blind | dpkg: tell mRokita about alsa checklist |
| 16:38.32 | flavi0 | http://ivoire.dinauz.org/blog/post/2013/11/21/Pretending-to-be-root-inside-PRoot |
| 16:39.44 | armin | so yeah, we use a linux distribution that doesn't supply wifi drivers for proprietary adapters but help people setting up skype in here. call me nuts, but i can't really understand that. |
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| 16:41.09 | blind | Yeah well "just don't use it" isn't always an option. |
| 16:41.14 | algol | hi guys, im having an issue with my connection dropping a lot and i've figured out that it's because of the MCU - so i need to lower the amount of traffic going through it but can't find any pages on how to do this |
| 16:41.16 | armin | we should at least give users a warning what skype actually is when doing so. |
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| 16:41.47 | armin | algol: sure you don't mean MTUÃ |
| 16:41.52 | armin | algol: sure you don't mean MTU? |
| 16:42.00 | armin | damnit, broadcrumbs under the shift key. |
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| 16:42.13 | algol | maybe, thats from input of other people |
| 16:42.16 | algol | im not too well versed in it |
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| 16:42.34 | algol | regardless of connection, wireless or ethernet, i'll drop connection frequent;y |
| 16:42.39 | armin | algol: i guess you can set the MTU for the link to some lower valuable which is calculatable if you know what happens. |
| 16:42.57 | algol | yes thats it |
| 16:43.02 | algol | sounds like what im trying to do |
| 16:43.06 | algol | goes back to googling |
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| 16:44.06 | armin | algol: well you can use the ifconfig command to set the mtu for an interface, yes. |
| 16:44.17 | algol | i dont know what it's set at right now tho |
| 16:44.22 | algol | so i dont know what i should lower it to |
| 16:45.24 | mRokita | blind: ? |
| 16:45.31 | armin | algol: what does ifconfig <interface> | grep mtu | xargs | cut -d">" -f 2- say? |
| 16:45.44 | blind | mRokita: You should have gotten a PM from dpkg. If not, /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 16:46.31 | algol | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|' |
| 16:46.31 | algol | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.43 | algol | woops |
| 16:46.47 | blind | you replace <interface> with the interface in question |
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| 16:48.00 | Iridos | flavi0, yes... apt/dpkg aren't meant as tools for a user, they are a managing the system-wide software |
| 16:48.30 | mRokita | blind: i don't need the audio group, i'm running it as root |
| 16:48.41 | mRokita | blind: and also, i don't use any X display manager |
| 16:49.09 | algol | armin: eth1 and eth0 give me bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 16:49.12 | algol | o.o |
| 16:49.20 | blind | what does X have to do with anything? |
| 16:51.38 | armin | algol: are you root? is /sbin in your $PATH? also i'm sue the "ip" command can do that, too. a good starting point is google/duckduckgo for "linux mtu fragment". |
| 16:51.57 | MeatHammer | armin how to put /sbin in path? |
| 16:52.08 | algol | didnt know you needed to be root for ifconfig; im a little new to linux lol |
| 16:52.16 | armin | MeatHammer: export PATH=$PATH:/sbin |
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| 16:53.22 | algol | ah ok, MTU is at 1500 |
| 16:53.31 | algol | how much lower should i set it? |
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| 16:53.38 | armin | algol: you don't - you only need to be root to make changes using ifconfig, but you can call the ifconfig program as a user to see info. |
| 16:53.49 | armin | algol: it's just not in your path by default. |
| 16:53.54 | algol | i see |
| 16:54.06 | MeatHammer | armin: is that permamnent? |
| 16:54.47 | armin | MeatHammer: no. you'd need to add that line to your bashrc/profile/zshrc or whatever your shells startup files are called. |
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| 16:55.16 | armin | MeatHammer: you're likely using bash and could use ~/.bashrc |
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| 16:56.30 | Filystyn | helo |
| 16:56.34 | Filystyn | i NEED help |
| 16:57.02 | Filystyn | i need a simple tool for sound crafting i mean - cut the sound and save mp3 as wav/ogg |
| 16:57.05 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
| 16:57.23 | bazhang | sure |
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| 16:57.35 | bazhang | lose the caps and I help |
| 16:57.54 | Filystyn | I am using SHIFT friend |
| 16:58.07 | bazhang | no help |
| 16:58.10 | bazhang | bye |
| 16:58.16 | blind | They're still CAPital letters..... |
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| 16:58.44 | Filystyn | funny how troll thought i will belive having caps in keyboard has anything to do with downloading program for basic audio formating |
| 16:59.02 | blind | Filystyn: it doesn't, but your behavior makes people not want to help you. |
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| 16:59.11 | bazhang | calling people troll wont get help |
| 16:59.17 | Filystyn | I am being helped nearly all the time |
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| 16:59.32 | Filystyn | there are only few bullies that try to make problems |
| 17:00.00 | bazhang | its volunteer |
| 17:00.25 | bazhang | people choose or not to support |
| 17:00.25 | Filystyn | me having a problem is also volunteer |
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| 17:00.34 | Filystyn | i choose to ask for support |
| 17:00.43 | armin | Filystyn: you should consider different substances. people here are actually willing to help you but want you to observer some simple rules of politeness and respectful behaviour and that's it. |
| 17:01.26 | Filystyn | Actualy I am veyr polite person |
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| 17:01.47 | Filystyn | IT IS THE MUSIC PROGRAM that is blocking me now. |
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| 17:02.24 | flavi0 | Iridos: Well, yum and pacman (redhat based and arch linux) are able to do it, and I think there are legitimate use-cases for it. Seems it is also possible to trick apt-get into this with chroot/proot however it takes more effort than necessary. |
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| 17:02.58 | Filystyn | a SIMPLE music PROGRAM for cuting music and changing frmat mp3 -> ogg / wav |
| 17:03.00 | blind | Filystyn: if I give you a suggestion, will you make a conscious effort to avoid using lots of capital letters and using your enter key as if it were a period? |
| 17:03.32 | Filystyn | Actualy why are capital letters and LF so bad? |
| 17:03.36 | blind | walks away |
| 17:03.37 | flavi0 | Iridos: I'm just discovering that this notion seems to be pervasive throughout the debian install tools, which I really wouldn't have expected. Currently patching debootstrap to allow me to fetch stuff into a non-/ folder. |
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| 17:03.42 | Filystyn | It helps to show the problem |
| 17:03.57 | Filystyn | the IMPORTANT data is always in capitals |
| 17:04.22 | Filystyn | And line feed alows to simulate the time space between the sentances |
| 17:04.30 | flavi0 | Filystyn: ffmpeg/avconv |
| 17:04.36 | Iridos | flavi0, apt is older than yum and pacman... and I am not even sure I would want to have user-dir installs... the whole concept of pre-install and post-install and dependency resolution and so on... wouldn't work the way it does now |
| 17:05.15 | Iridos | flavi0, you can always just unpack packages and use what is inside, I guess... they are three tgz packed into an ar archive, one of them has the actual software |
| 17:05.23 | Iridos | flavi0, and that is pretty easy to do |
| 17:05.34 | flavi0 | Iridos: well the point is that I am, as a user, always able to emulate this by doing apt-get download ; dpkg-deb -X etc, exactly, but then I loose all of the benefits of apt for dep resolution and automatic upgrading. |
| 17:05.43 | rattking | Filystyn those are both considered bad etiquette on irc. but to help answer your question audacity is a gui program that will do that |
| 17:05.47 | Filystyn | flavi0 thank you for help, God bless |
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| 17:06.02 | Filystyn | ok thank you rotking |
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| 17:07.05 | flavi0 | Iridos: so the point being that apt not supporting this way of invoking it is now way of keeping users from installing into custom roots anyways. |
| 17:07.11 | flavi0 | no* |
| 17:07.20 | Iridos | rattking, I think we had that discussion a couple of times before... maybe the best reaction is to not answer to questions not posed in what we regard as a normal manner :) of course, that intermediately leads to more shouting :P |
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| 17:08.15 | Iridos | flavi0, no, but I think it is much simpler to package things if you can depend on pre-install and post-install being run as root etc, etc. |
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| 17:09.35 | Iridos | also a user-apt would need to take packages from multiple package-lists into account... of course nothing is impossible. |
| 17:09.53 | flavi0 | Iridos: Of course it is simpler, which is probably the way this assumption was made, still it could be made differently and cover more use-cases without going through the pain if you really don't have root access on a system. Maybe the things like device-node creation and other stuff requiring UID 0 could just be ommited if there's some --user flag set or the like. |
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| 17:10.40 | Iridos | seems like a major undertaking... but it's all open source, so I guess you could have a go at it |
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| 17:11.09 | Iridos | I think it's not easy to do that well... and probably includes having maintainers to make packages differently |
| 17:11.16 | flavi0 | Iridos: Absolutely. But seems I should be fine using proot for now, off to getting that to work. Will report back how it went :) |
| 17:11.29 | flavi0 | Iridos: True, yes |
| 17:12.16 | Iridos | flavi0, there's a couple of tools that do this kind of thing and more (or less) ... |
| 17:13.01 | Iridos | not sure which one would fit your description most... right now can't even remember the names of some |
| 17:13.04 | flavi0 | Iridos: yeah I've read about homelinux and some other "homebrew" style package managers. However in order to integrate nicely with the host system it would of course be great if I could just use apt with debian mirrors etc. |
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| 17:13.23 | Iridos | well, can't hug every cat |
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| 17:13.49 | Filystyn | ffmpeg hard |
| 17:14.31 | flavi0 | Filystyn: It's very simple actually for the things you have described, although it can do a lot more things. |
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| 17:15.14 | flavi0 | Filystyn: if you want a gui tool, audacity might be a good bet after all, but it's not so easy to automate that on hundreds/thousands of files. |
| 17:15.16 | Filystyn | yes it's simple but i never used it |
| 17:15.23 | Filystyn | im now browsing web madly |
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| 17:15.41 | Filystyn | it's not problem of gui/cli it's problem of knowing right commands |
| 17:15.50 | Xifanie | I'm having SSH key issues... Raspi 2/Raspbian. I generated keys with puttygen, placed my key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, gave the folder and the file cdmod 700 and 600 respectively, but it keeps refusing my key; "No supported authentication methods available" |
| 17:16.11 | flavi0 | Filystyn: http://blog.yimingliu.com/2008/10/07/ffmpeg-encoding-gotchas/ |
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| 17:16.59 | Filystyn | i just found it 2 |
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| 17:17.03 | Filystyn | thx anyway |
| 17:17.21 | armin | Xifanie: your problem sounds like a putty related problem which has basically nothing to do with debian. nevertheless - are you sure puttyagent knows about your public key? did you view the logs on the server? |
| 17:17.25 | flavi0 | Filystyn: http://superuser.com/questions/273797/convert-mp3-to-ogg-vorbis |
| 17:17.56 | flavi0 | Filystyn: there's also mp32ogg on debian, however getting a bit used to ffmpeg will pay off in the long run. |
| 17:17.56 | armin | Xifanie: can you enable some kind of verbose logging in putty? |
| 17:18.15 | Xifanie | armin: I'll try that right now |
| 17:18.27 | armin | Xifanie: did you try with a sane ssh client from a linux computer and used -vv and/or -vvv (beware, the latter one will break interactive sessions later on) |
| 17:18.57 | armin | Xifanie: the problem is very likely not the computer you ssh into. |
| 17:19.18 | Filystyn | i will get used to ffmpeg |
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| 17:20.05 | ruied_ | I'm trying debian but it fails in grub. The /boot partition is a software raid /dev/md0 |
| 17:20.06 | flavi0 | Filystyn: will allow you to do video transcoding of all kinds with basically the same complexity to it, etc. |
| 17:20.10 | Xifanie | armin: no, unfortunately, I don't have any other computer with linux... I had the same issue with my webserver and resorted to logging in it from my raspi, but now I need a sshkey on the raspi because people were logging in a pi and sent spam emails... |
| 17:20.33 | ruied_ | can I set grub to boot with raid |
| 17:21.00 | flavi0 | ruied_: you need an initrd for this, or initramfs. |
| 17:21.00 | armin | Xifanie: ok, you know what a private and what a public key is i assume and used the correct .pub file on the server? |
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| 17:21.36 | Iridos | flavi0, one problem I see is that compiling some programs (many?) results in hard-coded paths of something in the binaries... |
| 17:21.59 | Xifanie | armin: yes, I was able to setup all that just fine from linux to linux, but you're totally right, the problem is with putty and I kinda forgot about that |
| 17:22.17 | armin | ruied_: you can, but you need a bootcode somewhere on a specific disks mbr and proceed from there. |
| 17:22.37 | Xifanie | I don't have a way to verify that for sure though right now |
| 17:22.40 | armin | Xifanie: no worries. :) |
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| 17:23.52 | armin | Xifanie: either way, you can tell puttygen to store your generated key in an OpenSSH authorized_key file compatible format i assume. i didn't use putty for many years now so my remembrance is blurred. |
| 17:24.05 | flavi0 | Iridos: Good point. I wonder how yum/pacman handle this, probably not at all, but it *will* allow you to unpack the package and have them upgraded etc. using the package manager. Even if for running all of them properly you might need something like chroot after all. |
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| 17:24.54 | Iridos | flavi0, for what it's worth... I think you should be able to use apt-get as non-root. It's really only dpkg that fails because it tries to write to /var/lib/dpkg/ |
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| 17:25.19 | Xifanie | armin: Oh I'm sure the format's fine, because yes it does provide that format and it's what I used |
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| 17:25.57 | Iridos | flavi0, you really could have a go at it and see what patching dpkg to allow for multiple /var/lib/dpkg/ would allow... apt must *read* the status file, though... so... |
| 17:26.03 | armin | Xifanie: looks like you got the basics right. do you have puttyagent running with that key loaded? |
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| 17:26.29 | flavi0 | Iridos: just reading about Debug::NoLocking.. |
| 17:26.50 | flavi0 | Iridos: this will not allow me to do an apt-get update or install however, I assume. |
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| 17:27.31 | Xifanie | armin: I don't know what putty agent is and never used it; looking into that right now :p |
| 17:27.56 | Iridos | flavi0, there's also /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 17:28.08 | armin | Xifanie: my assumption is you need to run that, load the public key file in there, and *then* PuTTY has a possibility to log in via a public key. |
| 17:28.23 | flavi0 | Iridos: as I intend it I don't even want/need to see the system-wide status file, it's supposed be an independant locally self-contained 'installation' in itself. |
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| 17:28.52 | Xifanie | armin: it says pageant is already running |
| 17:29.05 | flavi0 | Iridos: or the lists, for that matter. |
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| 17:29.21 | armin | Xifanie: pageant is what it's called, not putty agent? |
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| 17:29.40 | armin | Xifanie: interesting. i didn't use windows for too long now. :) |
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| 17:33.57 | flavi0 | Iridos: reading about APT::Sandbox::User |
| 17:34.26 | Iridos | flavi0, oh, that's new to me... where do you read about that |
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| 17:36.09 | flavi0 | Iridos: e.g. https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org/msg407823.html |
| 17:36.16 | flavi0 | Iridos: seems people are already on it after all. |
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| 17:36.44 | flavi0 | Iridos: not sure, sounds very related however. |
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| 17:38.23 | flavi0 | Iridos: maybe I should get the latest apt from experimental, extract it locally and see if something can be done with that option.. |
| 17:38.42 | flavi0 | (or version control, even) |
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| 17:39.30 | flavi0 | Anyone an idea where I can find the apt git (?) repo? |
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| 17:39.43 | flavi0 | searching for apt source repository does not yield that usable results :) |
| 17:39.54 | mystica555 | wonders: what is the reason for not allowing an underscore _ character in a username for the initial setup user account? |
| 17:40.01 | Scriptonaut | anyone know if the roaming bug in openssh has been fixed in the debian repo? |
| 17:40.02 | mystica555 | id like an account "management_user" |
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| 17:40.10 | mystica555 | and all i can create with the installer is managementuser |
| 17:40.19 | Scriptonaut | http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733 |
| 17:40.21 | Scriptonaut | it's a pretty serious bug |
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| 17:41.43 | flavi0 | got it git://anonscm.debian.org/git/apt/apt.git |
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| 17:43.46 | Iridos | flavi0, that's just a bug report on a downloader... doesn't say at all what it does |
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| 17:44.34 | Iridos | the mail-archive link, that is |
| 17:44.56 | flavi0 | Iridos: well the option sounds promising and is not in the manpages on this system (jessie). just cloned in order to find out more. |
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| 17:46.59 | Iridos | this unfortunately isn't too informative either... http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/apt-1-1-2-package-manager-lands-in-debian-unstable-brings-more-bugfixes-496876.shtml |
| 17:47.09 | Iridos | looking at the changelog may be, though |
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| 17:51.41 | zykotick9 | Scriptonaut: well, i certainly had an ssh client/server update today on stable... not sure why, but if i had to guess ;) |
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| 17:52.55 | Scriptonaut | ah, that's good zykotick9 |
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| 18:00.34 | edkizzle | when I run aptitude update I get : Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' |
| 18:00.34 | edkizzle | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/InRelease: |
| 18:00.34 | edkizzle | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/Release.gpg: Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' |
| 18:00.34 | edkizzle | W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 18:02.05 | edkizzle | anyone know why I get this error when running aptitute update ? #flood |
| 18:02.06 | edkizzle | * You have been kicked from #debian by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
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| 18:02.30 | greycat | If you can't resolve security.debian.org then your DNS is messed up. |
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| 18:03.24 | edkizzle | this is a fresh install, what could have caused it to get messed up? |
| 18:03.38 | edkizzle | or does it require setting up from a fresh install? I forget.. |
| 18:03.40 | greycat | DNS is usually provided by your ISP or your router. It's a local thing. |
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| 18:04.14 | greycat | You could try putting an IP address for security.debian.org in /etc/hosts as a temporary workaround, but you really want working DNS for everything else you do on the 'net. |
| 18:04.56 | flavi0 | Now that I fixed my invisible mouse cursor under this gnome3 thing I can actually go on to read the apt ChangeLog :) |
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| 18:06.15 | x032cx | am looking for opencv2/headers but cannot find the package to install, is it available do i have to compile from source - debian 7 |
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| 18:07.36 | Brigo | x032cx, this package maybe? libopencv2.4-java |
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| 18:08.18 | Iridos | flavi0, changelog is here among other things: https://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt.html (right-hand side), as well as some other info on the package |
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| 18:08.42 | karlpinc | x032cx: Try using apt-file or source.debian.net to find the package you want. |
| 18:09.06 | x032cx | Brigo: well, i don,t have any java nahh should bo opencv2-dev or someting |
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| 18:09.55 | x032cx | let see what apt-file comes up with |
| 18:10.12 | Brigo | x032cx, libopencv-dev ? :-P |
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| 18:14.45 | flavi0 | Iridos: thanks |
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| 18:15.43 | flavi0 | Iridos: hm I only find "sandbox" once in the changelog which seems to be the fix for what I was referencing |
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| 18:17.51 | flavi0 | Iridos: there also seems to be RootDir (now?) |
| 18:18.47 | flavi0 | Iridos: ah it existed before and refers only to paths in the config it seems. |
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| 18:35.26 | flavi0 | Iridos: dpkg --force not-root |
| 18:35.41 | flavi0 | Iridos: also --root and --admindir |
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| 18:35.56 | DebianCurious400 | Hello ppl |
| 18:35.59 | DebianCurious400 | one question |
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| 18:36.19 | Iridos | flavi0, weeeeeee... well, see how that works... (and still cannot use apt for that, I guess) |
| 18:36.21 | DebianCurious400 | it's a super very bad idea trigger an unattended-upgrade of many things on a router machine ? |
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| 18:36.35 | Mitzelflick | how do I find out what apt-get will give me ansibel version? |
| 18:36.47 | Mitzelflick | version of ansible apt-get will give me? |
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| 18:36.58 | Mitzelflick | debain 8 amd64 regular install |
| 18:37.14 | Iridos | Mitzelflick, apt-cache madison ansible shows the available versions |
| 18:37.18 | flavi0 | Iridos: but you were saying (and it seems) that apt should be fine it's only dpkg needing those privileges and using the system-wide paths. maybe we can get around that, and use apt, after all. investigating.. |
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| 18:38.50 | Iridos | Mitzelflick, apt-cache policy ansible would show you what version has the highest priority... |
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| 18:39.30 | Mitzelflick | madison?? |
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| 18:43.05 | AnimalFarmPig | I've got an application that I can run with the command "uwsgi --config /etc/myapp.ini". I've created a systemd service file with a unit description and "ExecStart=/usr/bin/uswgi --config /etc/myapp.ini". The application fails to start as a systemd service. Checking the syslog shows "uwsgi[17049]: unable to load configuration from /etc/myapp.ini". Anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? |
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| 18:43.18 | AnimalFarmPig | Does systemd launch applications with weird permissions or in a chroot or something? |
| 18:43.37 | ksx4system | is it possible to summon Openbox menu using keyboard? it's a bit annoying to go back to desktop every time I want to launch something (I don't always remember app name to launch via dmenu) |
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| 18:43.51 | greycat | AnimalFarmPig: does it work if you run that exact same uwsgi command from a root shell sitting in / with a bare bones environment? |
| 18:44.06 | AnimalFarmPig | greycat: yes |
| 18:44.20 | DrManhattan | I'm looking to take the jessie live standard (no GUI) image, change the repos and add a few packages, then export that as an image to use on USB sticks. Is this possible |
| 18:44.31 | s1l | I'm trying to upgrade from jessie to sid. in my sources.list what should I do about security.debian.org jessie/updates & jessie-updates (volatile) |
| 18:44.46 | greycat | Then... I guess you'll need more details from uwsgi about what's happening. |
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| 18:45.14 | greycat | If it's not already logging something useful, maybe you can convince systemd to run it under strace or something. |
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| 18:45.32 | blind | ksx4system: I'd imagine you can but I'm not familiar with openbox. You can definitely do it in fluxbox which is very very similar. openbox has an IRC channel on oftc |
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| 18:46.55 | ksx4system | blind: similar enough to run without its fbpanel and to swallow Openbox keybindings config? ;) |
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| 18:47.18 | blind | No, fluxbox uses plaintext config. There may be some converter out there, but I'm not sure. |
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| 18:48.10 | AnimalFarmPig | greycat: oh, interesting, it worked before I went to lunch, now after lunch it's also not loading the config. My face is red... |
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| 18:48.19 | AnimalFarmPig | when launched from cli |
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| 18:48.29 | DrManhattan | I'm looking to take the jessie live standard (no GUI) image, change the repos and add a few packages, then export that as an image to use on USB sticks. Is this possible? |
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| 18:48.34 | greycat | AnimalFarmPig: well, that helps :) |
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| 18:49.03 | blind | dpkg: tell DrManhattan about live |
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| 18:50.06 | flavi0 | Iridos: dude, I'm getting somewhere :) Just a few more minutes... |
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| 18:52.14 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, I wrote a shell script, where do I put it if I want to execute it from the commandline. /usr/local/bin? |
| 18:52.21 | Scriptonaut | basically, I'm asking for the conventional location |
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| 18:52.26 | Scriptonaut | I know it would work in several |
| 18:52.26 | greycat | that's a good place, yes. or $HOME/bin if it's personal only. |
| 18:52.32 | Scriptonaut | ok, thanks |
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| 18:54.59 | ksx4system | blind, FIY here's Openbox fix <3 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=790866&p=5075159#post5075159 |
| 18:55.05 | Scriptonaut | hmm, greycat I noticed there is a .local/bin |
| 18:55.09 | Scriptonaut | is that an appropriate spot? |
| 18:55.25 | greycat | Where? In your $HOME? That's a new one to me. |
| 18:55.29 | Scriptonaut | ye |
| 18:55.31 | Scriptonaut | ya* |
| 18:55.33 | Scriptonaut | I didn't create it either |
| 18:55.35 | Scriptonaut | this is on Jessie |
| 18:55.40 | AnimalFarmPig | greycat: okay, found the terminal I was running the application from command line in, and it was a simple problem. uwsgi wants --ini instead of --config on the command line. I somehow mixed them up when writing the service file. Thanks for the rubber ducky debugging help :) |
| 18:55.49 | Scriptonaut | it's full of powerline stuff |
| 18:55.50 | greycat | I don't see a .local in /etc/skel/ on jessie. |
| 18:56.16 | blind | ksx4system: Thanks, but I don't need it lol |
| 18:56.32 | DrManhattan | blind, I have asked in debian-live for two days. No answer. |
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| 18:57.29 | DrManhattan | from what I can see, at least online, #debian-live is not maintained. I am forced to ask here. |
| 18:57.30 | Scriptonaut | ah, I went with ~/bin |
| 18:57.39 | greycat | Maybe some package that you installed created the /etc/skel/.local/ directory. |
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| 18:59.37 | DrManhattan | I'm looking to take the jessie live standard (no GUI) image, change the repos and add a few packages, then export that as an iso image to use on USB sticks. Is this possible? |
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| 19:03.51 | flavi0 | Is there a place where I can download debootstrap'ed archives, e.g. for testing? That would make things significantly easier here... Don't have a debian machine where I'm root at my disposal right now (our server is in maintenance). |
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| 19:06.11 | flavi0 | awww damnit. seems to try a chroot internally after all (found out with strace). |
| 19:06.24 | flavi0 | which I'm not allowed to. |
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| 19:06.32 | flavi0 | so back to square 1 I suppose... |
| 19:06.51 | flavi0 | Iridos: the apt-get update already worked :) |
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| 19:08.21 | flavi0 | Iridos: yeah looks like that is always the case with dpkg, see man dpkg --instdir :/ |
| 19:08.35 | flavi0 | *so* close :) |
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| 19:11.17 | flavi0 | Iridos: if it's really using the chroot (2) syscall internally, I might get away with not requiring UID 0, however I still need CAP_SYS_CHROOT which I don't have... |
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| 19:11.27 | flavi0 | so back to trying proot again. too bad. |
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| 19:39.42 | ksx4system | is it possible to use fprintd without installing malware named systemd? (I could compile from sources) |
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| 19:40.32 | flavi0 | ksx4system: isn't systemd mandatory on debian anyways nowadays? cf. http://devuan.org/ |
| 19:40.47 | Brigo | flavi0, no |
| 19:40.54 | flavi0 | Brigo: oh glad to hear that |
| 19:40.58 | Brigo | ksx4system, at least libsystemd0 will be installed. |
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| 19:41.46 | Brigo | you can use sysvinit, fully supported, openrc and upstart, not fully supported. |
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| 19:42.05 | flavi0 | managed debootstrapping jessie from my arch install (with testing I hit https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1387425.html).. now let's see how that proot goes.. |
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| 19:42.41 | flavi0 | Brigo: sysvinit *is* officially supported? what the heck I understood when the huge discussions took place on debian-devel that this would not be the case. |
| 19:43.15 | ksx4system | flavi0, no :) it's still possible to kick malware out of Debian installation |
| 19:43.24 | flavi0 | gonna switch my server to sysvinit then right away.. |
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| 19:43.32 | Martin90 | Does forking has sens only when we have ore than one CPU core ? |
| 19:43.33 | teraflops | ksx4system: i bet you are that kind of person that calls systemd malware but installs skype and flashplugin nonfree? |
| 19:43.34 | flavi0 | (after the faulty hardware issues are resolved..) |
| 19:43.44 | greycat | Martin90: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:44.01 | ksx4system | teraflops, none of them :) why would anyone use flash? |
| 19:44.06 | Martin90 | greycat, nothing I am just trying to understand some concepts, can you help ;) ? |
| 19:44.20 | greycat | You have to explain what you mean. Are you asking about Apache2? |
| 19:44.26 | Martin90 | no no |
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| 19:44.39 | teraflops | ksx4system: ah then youre just trolling, the systemd ranting is by there -> |
| 19:44.46 | Martin90 | let's say I have a C program which has two functions A and B |
| 19:45.10 | Martin90 | if I understand correctly to run them simmultaniously I have to have two processes ? |
| 19:45.19 | ksx4system | teraflops, not really :) I'm just investigating if I can make fingerprint reader work on this laptop |
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| 19:45.36 | greycat | Martin90: well, there's also "threads", but basically yes. You need two processes to do two things at the same time. |
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| 19:46.21 | Martin90 | ok, and now I am confuse can we do threads on single core CPU ? |
| 19:46.27 | Martin90 | and if so, what;s the point of them ? |
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| 19:46.41 | greycat | If you have two processes (or two threads) on a single-core system, it'll time-share between them. |
| 19:46.43 | Martin90 | confused* |
| 19:46.45 | flavi0 | Martin90: it can for example be used to drop privileges, if you call setuid/gid right after the fork. |
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| 19:47.04 | ksx4system | Brigo, I've got "systemd" pinned not to install (and it protects OS well), libsystemd0 shouldn't be a problem (systemd-shim should protect) but there's policykit-1 package as unresolveable dep |
| 19:47.08 | Martin90 | flavi0, do you mean semaphores ? |
| 19:47.27 | greycat | And most processes don't just churn the CPU ceaselessly. Most of them read or write something, and while they're waiting for the I/O to complete, the CPU can move on to another job. |
| 19:47.34 | flavi0 | Martin90: no the reasons to use fork other than parallel execution. |
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| 19:48.08 | Brigo | ksx4system, ups! it depends on libpam-systemd, i didnt known it. |
| 19:48.34 | Martin90 | greycat, so that;s why processes have threads right ? |
| 19:48.36 | greycat | hmm, no updated openssh packages in squeeze-lts yet |
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| 19:48.44 | Martin90 | to do other things during one process |
| 19:48.45 | greycat | Martin90: There are many reasons. |
| 19:48.57 | flavi0 | Martin90: also, the child process runs in its own memory space, so you do it in order not to have the parent process crash if something goes wrong in some part of you r program. browsers for example fork a child process for each tab in order not to crash the whole browser if some plugin misbehaves etc. |
| 19:48.58 | ksx4system | Brigo, would it help to compile fprintd from sources? libfprint0 installs correctly without systemd :) |
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| 19:49.21 | Martin90 | flavi0, yes I noticed |
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| 19:49.51 | flavi0 | Martin90: so that makes sense even on a single core, that's what i'm saying. |
| 19:49.58 | Brigo | ksx4system, i didnt' know, but i doubt it. |
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| 19:50.09 | Martin90 | I wonder wheter I can open new thread on single core microprocessor ? |
| 19:50.17 | flavi0 | of course |
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| 19:51.12 | flavi0 | it will be scheduled by the os in a 'quasi-parallel' fashion, just as with a multicore machine, since the number of threads running on your system mostly exceeds your physical number of cores. |
| 19:51.14 | Martin90 | i.e if it is C program then that thread will be just another function |
| 19:51.28 | ksx4system | Brigo, it's still great :) everything else works like a charm (haven't tried GPS but I know it's supported too) |
| 19:51.34 | greycat | Martin90: no, there is a separation of information too. |
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| 19:52.05 | Martin90 | do you mean separation of stack etc ? |
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| 19:52.12 | greycat | Full processes can have separate effective UID, resource limits, open files, etc. Threads can have some subset of that. |
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| 19:52.29 | flavi0 | yes a thread has it's own 'context' of execution, including a stack, instruction pointer, etc. |
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| 19:53.06 | Martin90 | flavi0, that's hwat I read about thread but I can't imagine how to "give" new stack to new thread |
| 19:53.16 | Martin90 | you know in case of uC there is no OS |
| 19:53.22 | Martin90 | you write your own OS |
| 19:53.27 | flavi0 | Martin90: read up on context switches |
| 19:53.28 | Martin90 | i.e I am programing ATmega16 |
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| 19:53.50 | Martin90 | flavi0, yes I've seen it |
| 19:54.05 | flavi0 | Martin90: oh in that case it's a different story, you actually need to have some kind of "os" or thread/process scheduler which will do the actual context switch. |
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| 19:54.27 | flavi0 | Martin90: we once had to implement that ourselves in a systems programming course at university, but it has been a long time.. |
| 19:54.39 | Martin90 | flavi0, I wrote my own queue in C but I have no idea ho to separate stack |
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| 19:55.22 | Martin90 | I also don't see any adventage of separate stack in my case |
| 19:55.34 | flavi0 | Martin90: this looks useful http://www.freertos.org/implementation/a00018.html |
| 19:55.38 | Martin90 | looks like unnecessary work.. |
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| 19:56.29 | Martin90 | flavi0, thank you |
| 19:56.36 | flavi0 | you're welcome |
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| 19:58.03 | Martin90 | in higher level programming like on debian we just use system calls for new process and new thread right ? |
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| 19:58.53 | greycat | Depends on the programming language. |
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| 19:59.25 | Martin90 | perl/c |
| 19:59.34 | greycat | In C, yeah, you'd use the raw system calls... in higher level languages, there are probably built in features to do it for you. |
| 19:59.37 | Triski | Martin90: you usually make calls to a library, that then turns them to syscalls to the kernel |
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| 20:00.22 | bla | Hello. |
| 20:01.42 | Martin90 | ok, thanks |
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| 20:02.14 | stoned | Hi |
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| 20:02.44 | bla | I just got hit by https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=737679 - therefore I'm trying to build autofs myself but vanilla package won't build with http://paste.debian.net/365881/ - any ideas? |
| 20:02.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/737679 in autofs (open, ipv6): «autofs does not appear to support IPv6 hostname lookups for NFS mounts»; severity: important; opened: 2014-02-04; last modified: 2015-10-24. |
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| 20:03.44 | stoned | autoconf: Undefined macros: |
| 20:03.55 | flavi0 | Martin90: actually in some application areas the trend nowadays goes away from using explicit low-level/system threads to even higher-level constructs, look at OpenMP for example, or things like erlang, closure, functional/reactive or event-driven parallel programming languages and concepts. Also GPUs are a topic in itself. |
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| 20:04.41 | Martin90 | I can imagine |
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| 20:04.57 | flavi0 | Martin90: because people realize that it's really difficult to implement large scalable error-free parallel code if you do all the thread handling / locking etc. by hand |
| 20:05.10 | Martin90 | yes true |
| 20:05.27 | Scriptonaut | Hey guys, I'm using lightdm on jessie. I want to export some more PATH entries before lightdm launches my desktop so I can export a PATH entry. I edited /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf with: session-wrapper=/etc/X11/Xsession. I then made an .xsessionrc. Inside there I put my export PATH... I restarted the machine, and it's still not in the path. Any idea where I might be going wrong? |
| 20:05.31 | Martin90 | and don't reinvent the wheel huh ? |
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| 20:05.49 | flavi0 | also that, yep |
| 20:06.06 | Martin90 | threads also help with program execution ? |
| 20:06.11 | Scriptonaut | .xsession doesn't exist, could taht be a problem? |
| 20:06.22 | Martin90 | so program is just faster |
| 20:06.25 | greycat | Martin90: are you asking about *performance*? That's a huge topic/ |
| 20:06.30 | stoned | Scriptonaut: I would suggest putting that in /etc/environment |
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| 20:06.41 | Scriptonaut | stoned: putting my export statement? |
| 20:06.48 | stoned | minus the export. |
| 20:07.05 | Martin90 | hmm I am wondering about true adventages of threads other memory isolation |
| 20:07.08 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Scriptonaut, doesn't that load stuff from .profile? |
| 20:07.12 | stoned | Scriptonaut: /etc/environment format is simply VARIABLE=value |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | Martin90: parallelizing your CPU-intensive application can definitely improve overall speed, but it's not just a matter of "lol use threads and it goes faster" |
| 20:07.15 | stoned | nothing else. |
| 20:07.23 | flavi0 | Martin90: it really depends on your problem, look at amdahl's law |
| 20:07.33 | Scriptonaut | ah, stoned, so I can just put the PATH=$HOME/bin |
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| 20:07.35 | Scriptonaut | and it will work? |
| 20:07.36 | stoned | You will find people who disagree with my advice. |
| 20:07.45 | Scriptonaut | CuteMeOwnThroat: I don't use .profile, I'm using .zshrc |
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| 20:07.46 | greycat | Some problems can't even BE parallelized, because each step requires information from a previous step. |
| 20:07.48 | stoned | Scriptonaut: it will not expand $PATH |
| 20:07.59 | stoned | or $HOME |
| 20:08.12 | Martin90 | I was thinking that even one process on CPU with multiple cores is split between them so things happen faster, isn't that the case ? |
| 20:08.13 | greycat | Yes, /etc/environment is damned near worthless. |
| 20:08.13 | Scriptonaut | how do I add to PATH without completely overwrting it |
| 20:08.16 | stoned | I put my stuff in /etc/environment so it takes affect on all users on the system |
| 20:08.27 | stoned | _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1 That's all I need it for. |
| 20:08.40 | stoned | You can put them in ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc |
| 20:08.42 | greycat | I tried to use /etc/environment once. It failed. All I wanted to do was set MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ and it can't do that. |
| 20:08.45 | flavi0 | Martin90: not if things *need* to be executed sequentially, then you will just create overhead. |
| 20:08.48 | stoned | but that depends on you using bash |
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| 20:08.54 | Scriptonaut | stoned: I need this stuff to run before startx runs |
| 20:08.58 | Scriptonaut | and no, using zsh |
| 20:09.08 | Scriptonaut | .xsessionrc seemed perfect |
| 20:09.14 | stoned | greycat: MAIL=/home/greycat/Maildir |
| 20:09.17 | stoned | :) |
| 20:09.21 | stoned | That's it |
| 20:09.26 | Martin90 | "overhead" ? What do you mean ? |
| 20:09.39 | greycat | stoned: pretty rough when all the other users on the system get permissioned denied. |
| 20:09.41 | stoned | Scriptonaut: you can use .xsessionrc |
| 20:09.52 | stoned | greycat: oh, doh! |
| 20:09.52 | Scriptonaut | I made that file, lightdm isn't executing it |
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| 20:10.05 | stoned | greycat: Hah. I never even thought of that. |
| 20:10.08 | flavi0 | Martin90: by using threads which will just wait for each other because the actual program logic is sequential you create overhead for thread creation / scheduling / context switching. |
| 20:10.13 | Scriptonaut | I even told lightdm that it's session-wrapper should be /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 20:10.53 | stoned | I put system wide config vars in /etc/env and ones for usres in their respective user profile or somewhere like my shell's rc file for xsession stuff |
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| 20:11.08 | Martin90 | flavi0, ok |
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| 20:11.39 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Scriptonaut, not sure if it matters for the scripts being run to start your xsession what shell you use |
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| 20:11.50 | greycat | Apart from the fact that you can't friggin' DO anything useful with it, /etc/environment was a great idea. |
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| 20:12.37 | stoned | Haha |
| 20:12.46 | Scriptonaut | CuteMeOwnThroat: I know, but nothing is reading xsessionrc |
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| 20:13.10 | Scriptonaut | I can't put it in .profile or .bash_profile or .bashrc, etc. This path variable needs to be set before I startx |
| 20:13.15 | Scriptonaut | (or before lightdm startx) |
| 20:13.18 | stoned | what about /etc/profile |
| 20:13.23 | CuteMeOwnThroat | greycat, but that's only an implementation detail :P |
| 20:13.39 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Scriptonaut, I was asking if .profile doesn't work |
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| 20:13.51 | Scriptonaut | CuteMeOwnThroat: it doesn't |
| 20:13.57 | greycat | If you are typing startx, .bash_profile would be a correct place, assuming you use bash. |
| 20:13.59 | Scriptonaut | it doesn't run period |
| 20:14.02 | CuteMeOwnThroat | you tried? |
| 20:14.07 | Scriptonaut | yes CuteMeOwnThroat |
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| 20:14.10 | Scriptonaut | greycat: I'm using lightdm |
| 20:14.15 | Scriptonaut | it starts x for me |
| 20:14.23 | Scriptonaut | which is why I'm trying to get .xsessionrc to run |
| 20:14.27 | greycat | Yeah, good luck if you are using a *dm. Nobody knows how they work. It's all undocumented. |
| 20:14.36 | Scriptonaut | I know, screw ever using one again |
| 20:14.40 | Scriptonaut | I won't, so much trouble |
| 20:14.48 | stoned | I use xdm and it uses my xsessionrc |
| 20:14.58 | stoned | I don't use any crazy stuffs. Just basic X stuffs |
| 20:15.03 | stoned | Never any problems. |
| 20:15.07 | Scriptonaut | I setup lightdm to run xsession |
| 20:15.11 | greycat | None of the newer ones (the ones that aren't xdm) are documented. |
| 20:15.12 | Scriptonaut | it's still not doing it |
| 20:15.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | greycat, I was suspecting that some scripts start the WM ... scripts that run as the user... and probably #!/bin/dash ... |
| 20:15.35 | greycat | CuteMeOwnThroat: such scripts would not read the user's ~/.* files though. |
| 20:15.56 | stoned | You should put them in your ~/.zshrc |
| 20:16.00 | Scriptonaut | I just want to add ~/bin to the PATH. Oh well, looks like I'll put my executables in .local/bin |
| 20:16.10 | CuteMeOwnThroat | greycat, hmm, only login-shells read .profile? |
| 20:16.12 | Scriptonaut | for some reason, that is added to the path |
| 20:16.15 | stoned | Then they will work for interactive and non interactive shells |
| 20:16.15 | greycat | CuteMeOwnThroat: correct |
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| 20:16.27 | stoned | s/shells/logins/ |
| 20:16.35 | greycat | Scriptonaut: if you can figure out what's adding that to your PATH, maybe you can figure out how to add other things |
| 20:16.38 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I keep forgetting... I find that division between profile and ...rc not very logical |
| 20:16.55 | Scriptonaut | ya. I'm fairly certain it's powerline that added that to my path |
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| 20:17.38 | greycat | I don't know what "powerline" is. |
| 20:17.45 | stoned | http://bencane.com/2013/09/16/understanding-a-little-more-about-etcprofile-and-etcbashrc/ |
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| 20:18.00 | Scriptonaut | it's a fancy statusbar thing for the terminal and a bunch of other applications (tmux, vim, etc) |
| 20:18.06 | stoned | http://askubuntu.com/questions/476246/when-i-use-zsh-how-do-i-set-path-in-etc-profile-d |
| 20:18.23 | greycat | Bleh. |
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| 20:18.41 | stoned | What is powerline? |
| 20:18.46 | stoned | !powerline |
| 20:18.52 | CuteMeOwnThroat | greycat, but... you see one entry for the login with "w" and TTY :0 for a graphical login... |
| 20:18.53 | Scriptonaut | it's pretty awesome |
| 20:18.54 | stoned | Hunh. Nothing. |
| 20:18.55 | Scriptonaut | powerline that is |
| 20:18.59 | Scriptonaut | you gotta get it on github |
| 20:19.01 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles is another page on it, with less BIG FUCKING IMAGE spam |
| 20:19.05 | CuteMeOwnThroat | so there IS at least one login shell invoked on the way |
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| 20:19.27 | Scriptonaut | I spend most my time in tmux/vim/cmus/etc, so powerline really makes it look good |
| 20:19.30 | greycat | CuteMeOwnThroat: you see this where? what does it mean? |
| 20:19.34 | Scriptonaut | powerline with zsh with oh my zsh is magical |
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| 20:19.37 | Scriptonaut | for programming at least |
| 20:19.44 | CuteMeOwnThroat | "w" (the command) |
| 20:19.54 | greycat | So something wrote something to wtmp. |
| 20:20.19 | greycat | I don't know how you get from "TTY :0" to "a login shell was invoked" |
| 20:20.33 | CuteMeOwnThroat | mmh |
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| 20:20.51 | Logg | I ran memtest86+ with my graphics card in, and it crashed. I took the graphics card out and replaced with another, and it didn't crash anymore. I should RMA the apparently faulty graphics card, right? |
| 20:21.14 | CuteMeOwnThroat | maybe I linked unrelated things... I had the impression login-shells turn up in wtmp |
| 20:21.26 | greycat | Anything can, in theory, write a bunch of info to wtmp. |
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| 20:21.36 | stoned | memtest doesn't do anything to GPU |
| 20:22.05 | Logg | stoned: my debian system crashes occasionally, so I was running memtest to see what the problem was |
| 20:22.11 | stoned | There is no memtest I know that does that. Are you sure you installed the card correctly? |
| 20:22.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | ... but admittedly I haven't spent any sleepless nights on it |
| 20:22.15 | Logg | then memtest crashed |
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| 20:22.48 | Logg | stoned: yes, it was plugged in via the pcie slot and both the pcie 6 pin power connectors were connected |
| 20:22.58 | leonarth | Signal 18 (CONT) caught by ps (procps-ng version 3.3.9). |
| 20:22.58 | leonarth | ps:display.c:66: please report this bug |
| 20:23.02 | Logg | memtest wasn't testing the gpu, it just happened to crash during memtest |
| 20:23.16 | stoned | Logg: I would do this: barebones the system. Install only Memory, CPU, ATX power, and video out. Run memtest on each stick. |
| 20:23.25 | stoned | Run the same test using both gpu again. |
| 20:23.48 | Logg | stoned: okay, I'll try that. maybe just reseating the gpu will help. memtest passed without the new graphics card though |
| 20:23.50 | stoned | GPU could be bad, sure. If it didn't say memory is bad at all, on eiother scan, it's probably the video card and ram is fine |
| 20:24.04 | stoned | Then it seems your ram is good, do stuff to the video card. |
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| 20:24.40 | Logg | stoned: I don't know of a bootable utility like memtest for graphics cards (prime95 doesn't offer that iirc). |
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| 20:24.55 | stoned | Neither do I |
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| 20:25.55 | Logg | barebones'ing the system is why I think the video card is my problem. before it didn't make it through memtest (graphics card told the computer to reboot...) |
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| 20:26.05 | Logg | with this spare graphics card, it made it |
| 20:26.19 | stoned | Test this faulty gpu in another machine |
| 20:26.29 | stoned | Check dmest too, and maybe any other logs. |
| 20:26.32 | stoned | dmesg* |
| 20:26.46 | Logg | okay, that sounds like a good idea. I've checked dmesg and didn't see anything when it crashed |
| 20:27.09 | Logg | xorg.log didn't show anything either |
| 20:27.11 | Logg | it just reboots |
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| 20:27.49 | stoned | sounds like a hardware issue. If the gpu does it on the 2nd machine, you know it's the gpu. Also test the spare one in the 2nd machine too. Just to rule stuff out |
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| 20:31.00 | macsim | hi, I looking for a definition, "If I do #dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1M count=10" and I do "mkfs.ext4 foo" I created a ?????? . thanks |
| 20:31.33 | greycat | a... file that contains a file system, that you can conceivably mount via loopback? |
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| 20:31.37 | greycat | Some might call it an "image". |
| 20:32.06 | macsim | greycat, no more specific name for this ? |
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| 20:34.18 | stoned | loopback filesystem image. |
| 20:34.28 | stoned | That's as specific as you're gonna get |
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| 20:34.48 | CuteMeOwnThroat | sounds a bit like homework |
| 20:35.02 | stoned | Sometimes it's okay to ask for help on homework. |
| 20:35.10 | stoned | Sometimes it's not. |
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| 20:36.20 | CuteMeOwnThroat | stoned, and as homework, we task you to find out which cases are which :D |
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| 20:36.43 | stoned | I wodner what I did w/ my mutt colors. The mailbox is transparent, but when I read a mail, the top mail box (list of mails) is still transparent, but the mailbody bg is black. |
| 20:36.45 | stoned | Dangit. |
| 20:36.47 | *** join/#debian Imek (~Imek@5751c702.skybroadband.com) |
| 20:37.17 | *** join/#debian Imek (~Imek@5751c702.skybroadband.com) |
| 20:37.34 | *** join/#debian Triski (~Triski@226.208.158.146.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 20:37.37 | *** join/#debian keed_ (~keed@ool-ad02d08a.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:38.46 | stoned | http://i.imgur.com/KbNqZwq.png |
| 20:39.05 | ralpheeee | anyone using debian with i3wm ....demnu & rofi does not locate smartgit & android-studio....any tips |
