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| 00:57.24 | Ivoah | What options do I have for a VNC server on Debian MATE? |
| 00:57.28 | JeremyE77 | I guess LC is not so bad once you locate the docs :P |
| 00:57.31 | JeremyE77 | LXC |
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| 01:02.20 | DebianCurious600 | Resolvconf script is able to deal with all the resolv.conf modification in any case right ? |
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| 01:11.06 | Ivoah | I have a freshly installed debian system, and I installed gparted, but I can't run it |
| 01:11.22 | teraflops | DebianCurious600: unless you set the inmutable bit on it or you symlink it to systemd-resolved.service |
| 01:11.32 | Ivoah | when I try to run it with 'sudo gparted' it says something about a gtk-warning |
| 01:11.33 | teraflops | if* |
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| 01:14.31 | teraflops | Ivoah: errors? tried with sudo? |
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| 01:15.00 | teraflops | Ivoah: srry, tried xhost + before sudo gparted? |
| 01:15.23 | Ivoah | so 'xhost; sudo gparted'? |
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| 01:15.31 | teraflops | nope |
| 01:15.38 | Ivoah | oh, 'xhost +' |
| 01:15.42 | teraflops | yes |
| 01:15.44 | Ivoah | that worked :D Thanks so much teraflops |
| 01:15.48 | teraflops | then sudo gparted |
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| 01:15.52 | teraflops | ah np |
| 01:16.04 | Ivoah | so what does xhost + do and why is it needed? |
| 01:16.19 | teraflops | Ivoah: look at the output :P |
| 01:16.40 | Ivoah | it just says access control disabled. Access control for what? |
| 01:16.59 | teraflops | for X |
| 01:17.02 | Obelio | I have a server and I am connecting with SSH trying to use it as a proxy, so i basicly "ssh -D localhost:XXXport User@Server " but If I set my system proxy to SOCKS chromium does not seem to use the tunnel to surf, is that systemwide proxy feature broken? |
| 01:17.34 | Ivoah | teraflops: How come other X things worked? |
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| 01:17.44 | teraflops | with sudo? |
| 01:17.55 | Ivoah | Ah, idk |
| 01:17.59 | teraflops | ah :P |
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| 01:18.07 | Ivoah | well, thanks :) |
| 01:18.12 | teraflops | Ivoah: np |
| 01:18.28 | Ivoah | now to find out why debian doesn't see my external HD... |
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| 01:19.04 | teraflops | Ivoah: look at dmesg also lsblk, if usb also lsusb |
| 01:19.37 | Ivoah | It's in an IDE to USB case |
| 01:19.43 | Ivoah | and lsusb doesn't show anything |
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| 01:20.52 | teraflops | hmm so gparted does not see it? |
| 01:21.33 | teraflops | is it powered? |
| 01:21.43 | teraflops | well* powered |
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| 01:23.04 | Ivoah | Actually, I think the drive may be shot D: |
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| 01:23.19 | teraflops | dang |
| 01:23.23 | Ivoah | eh |
| 01:23.26 | Ivoah | not too big of a deal |
| 01:23.51 | Ivoah | It came out of a dead server, and I was going to copy stuff off it onto my new server |
| 01:24.07 | Ivoah | the only thing I really care about is probably on the wayback machine |
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| 01:24.29 | teraflops | no ide ports in the mobo? |
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| 01:24.43 | Ivoah | teraflops: nah, it's a mac mini |
| 01:24.44 | teraflops | may be the case is borked not the disk |
| 01:24.51 | teraflops | aawww |
| 01:25.00 | Ivoah | It could be the case |
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| 01:25.11 | Ivoah | I guess it should show up in lsusb anyways |
| 01:25.23 | teraflops | Ivoah: hmm maybe not |
| 01:25.32 | teraflops | nah im not sure |
| 01:26.09 | Ivoah | the drive was making clicking sounds, but the power wasn't connected to the case properly, and now it's not |
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| 01:28.14 | teraflops | Ivoah: hmm, the clicking sounds can be bad power conector |
| 01:28.35 | Ivoah | teraflops: yeah, that's what I'm thinking, especially now that it stopped |
| 01:28.46 | teraflops | Ivoah: yeah plug it now |
| 01:29.02 | Ivoah | it is, but it still doesn't show up with lusb |
| 01:29.06 | Ivoah | *lsusb |
| 01:29.26 | teraflops | dmesg? |
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| 01:30.55 | Ivoah | teraflops: https://sr.ht/7KRZ.txt |
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| 01:32.55 | teraflops | Ivoah: hey I see coredumps there :P |
| 01:33.02 | Ivoah | what's that? |
| 01:33.49 | teraflops | [ 4.757342] Call Trace: |
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| 01:34.17 | Ivoah | is that a bad thing? |
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| 01:34.33 | teraflops | Ivoah: no idea, anyway is not good |
| 01:34.40 | Ivoah | hmm |
| 01:34.54 | teraflops | Ivoah: since it's a mac id blame the hw |
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| 01:36.03 | Obelio | I have a server and I am connecting with SSH trying to use it as a proxy, so i basicly "ssh -D localhost:XXXport User@Server " but If I set my system proxy to SOCKS chromium does not seem to use the tunnel to surf, is that systemwide proxy feature broken? |
| 01:36.10 | Obelio | Sudo please help me |
| 01:36.22 | Obelio | :) |
| 01:36.28 | teraflops | Ivoah: no trace of the disk i think it just showw the sda ine with 3 partitions, anyway is late here and my eyes are old and tired |
| 01:36.48 | teraflops | shows the sda one* |
| 01:36.55 | axc1298 | is there any GUI database software in debian, for making a graphical layout with buttons, records, tables, etc |
| 01:37.18 | Ivoah | teraflops: well, thanks for the help so far :) |
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| 01:38.16 | teraflops | Ivoah: nah np |
| 01:38.26 | teraflops | axc1298: for diagramming? |
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| 01:39.31 | axc1298 | teraflops: i don't know what that means. basically i want to use something like filemaker on windows/mac, you can make a graphical layout with records , and add buttons that execute scripts you write |
| 01:39.59 | teraflops | axc1298: ah, hmm i think mysql has a thingy for doing that way |
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| 01:40.09 | teraflops | or had* |
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| 01:40.53 | axc1298 | like a frontend to mysql |
| 01:40.56 | teraflops | doing a relational database this way has to be awful, isnt it? |
| 01:41.01 | teraflops | axc1298: right |
| 01:41.26 | teraflops | i dont recall the name but im pretty sure ive used it |
| 01:41.29 | axc1298 | i can make relationships with the GUI easily. you just drag a line from one table to another and tell it which fields to relate by |
| 01:42.09 | teraflops | heh and how do you normalize table an all that shit? |
| 01:42.15 | teraflops | tables* |
| 01:42.31 | axc1298 | what does normalizing a table mean? |
| 01:43.26 | teraflops | i meant database normalisation |
| 01:43.46 | teraflops | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization |
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| 01:44.52 | axc1298 | oh, i don't know about that stuff |
| 01:45.39 | teraflops | axc1298: nah i was just wondering |
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| 01:47.33 | axc1298 | i'm going to check out libreoffice base. not sure if it does what i want but it might |
| 01:48.23 | teraflops | axc1298: idk either |
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| 03:05.54 | Gerowen | Has anybody else had problems with kernel 4.3 installed in Jessie (backports) preventing a computer from booting? Installed updates on my mom's laptop today and pulled kernel 4.3 from backports and now it won't boot unless you select the older kernel version in Grub. It's the 686-pae version of the kernel. |
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| 03:21.27 | Thete | Anyone know how to turn off dhclient? |
| 03:21.57 | Thete | or turn networking to manual? |
| 03:23.08 | Gerowen | Thete: GUI or terminal? |
| 03:23.13 | Thete | terminal |
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| 03:23.38 | Thete | I've set both interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces to static but it's still using dhcp |
| 03:27.07 | dvs | Thete: Have you reboot since? |
| 03:27.40 | Thete | Do I need to reboot for it to stop? I was doing ifdown -a && ifup -a |
| 03:28.00 | dvs | Wouldn't hurt. |
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| 03:29.59 | Thete | dvs: That fixed it, thank you |
| 03:30.13 | Thete | hides in the corner in shame |
| 03:30.16 | dvs | !beer me\ |
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| 05:12.03 | dymk | Hello! I was wondering how to specify a bridge as would be created as "brctl addbr virbr0", sans an actual interface to bridge with, in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:12.46 | beepie | dymk, would be documented in /usr/share/doc/<bridge package name> |
| 05:14.33 | dymk | perfect, lots of useful looking docs in there, thanks beepie |
| 05:14.39 | beepie | np |
| 05:14.59 | beepie | dymk, fwiw, brctl is obsolete technology, people these days would be more preferring to use ovs (openvswitch) |
| 05:15.25 | dymk | I'll take a look at it |
| 05:15.31 | beepie | :) |
| 05:15.31 | dymk | any particular benefits to ovs? |
| 05:15.36 | beepie | dymk, lots |
| 05:15.51 | beepie | dymk, it's way beyond brctl |
| 05:16.14 | beepie | dymk, though it's not hard to get started ( eg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYW7kQRyUvA ) |
| 05:16.27 | dymk | noted, hopefully it'll alleviate the need for me to futz around with iptables so much |
| 05:16.30 | beepie | dymk, you can use ovs stanzas in interfaces as well |
| 05:16.39 | dymk | Hm |
| 05:17.03 | beepie | dymk, you'd use ebtables i think to deal more with bridge tables, though i don't know exactly how that works |
| 05:17.33 | beepie | dymk, you using kvm? |
| 05:17.40 | dymk | beepie: xen |
| 05:18.27 | beepie | i suppose it's possible(guess) you can use macvtaps with xen -- though i know you could with kvm |
| 05:18.45 | beepie | macvtaps are specialized bridged interfaces that go directly onto eth0 |
| 05:18.54 | dymk | beepie: i've heard good things about kvm, but it didn't have FreeBSD (as a guest) support last time i checked? |
| 05:18.56 | beepie | and are also used by a vm |
| 05:19.09 | dymk | that's starting to matter less and less though, i don't think i need fbsd guests anymore |
| 05:19.20 | beepie | i'd avoid brctl |
| 05:19.28 | dymk | yeah I'm not using these as bridges, I'm NATing my VMs |
| 05:19.41 | beepie | you get better traffic isolation for VMs using macvtaps or ovs/tuntaps.// |
| 05:19.49 | beepie | dymk, that's awkward |
| 05:20.10 | dymk | it seems to be what people do with brctl? |
| 05:20.11 | beepie | dymk, well you should be able to do the same with ovs, even if you have to use NAT |
| 05:20.47 | dymk | well I'd prefer to NAT for isolation |
| 05:21.24 | beepie | dymk, your provider would also offer you more ip's.. you can use these WAN ip's across ovs |
| 05:21.35 | beepie | dymk, or as well across macvtaps on eth0 |
| 05:21.47 | beepie | dymk, you wouldn't be able to use macvtap with Nat |
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| 05:21.50 | Voyage | I have GUI, how to see any files EVER opened by kate? |
| 05:21.54 | dymk | ah yeah I couldn't request more IPs, I'm at my limit there |
| 05:22.15 | dymk | that's another reason why I'm NATing |
| 05:22.36 | beepie | dymk, how many ip's are you using? |
| 05:22.53 | dymk | beepie: 3 |
| 05:23.15 | dymk | (I'm a student coloing in my campus' datacenter) |
| 05:23.16 | beepie | dymk, i mean wan ip's |
| 05:23.22 | dymk | yeah 3 WAN IPs |
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| 05:23.44 | Voyage | I have GUI, how to see any files EVER opened by kate? |
| 05:23.49 | beepie | dymk, and how many vm's are there? |
| 05:24.00 | dymk | beepie: four or five, i spin them up and down as i need them |
| 05:24.03 | Voyage | can anyone see my message |
| 05:24.06 | dymk | Voyage: yes |
| 05:24.52 | beepie | dymk, so you're natting just 2 vm's |
| 05:24.54 | beepie | dymk, ? |
| 05:25.00 | dymk | no, 4 or 5 VMs |
| 05:25.04 | Voyage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:25.24 | dymk | one IP for BMC/IPMI, one dedicated for eth0, one for eth1 (which everything is NAT'd behind) |
| 05:25.54 | Voyage | isnt ther sys logs |
| 05:25.58 | dymk | and I'd prefer they be NAT'd anyways, and I explicitly forward ports that i need forwarded |
| 05:26.35 | beepie | dymk, but the one ip for ipmi is something you don't have control over than it being assigned by your provider |
| 05:26.52 | dymk | beepie: correct, all three IPs are statically assigned and allocated to me |
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| 05:27.14 | beepie | dymk, though it would be one ip dedicated for br0, because eth0 is a slave port for the bridge |
| 05:27.57 | beepie | dymk, but the other 'ip' if you're using that for a VM -- that would mean you're just using 1 ip for a VM |
| 05:28.13 | beepie | dymk, br0 would need an assigned ip -- that would be the physical host |
| 05:28.34 | dymk | right, I have an internal virtual 192.168.10.0/24 network |
| 05:28.45 | dymk | that's what the VMs are connected to |
| 05:29.06 | beepie | dymk, so you're using just 2 ips i suppose :) lol |
| 05:29.07 | dymk | and I use iptabels MASQUERADE to forward outbound packets over eth1 |
| 05:29.21 | beepie | dymk, (i'm only referring to wan ip) |
| 05:29.23 | dymk | oh yes, one is dedicated for the hypervisor, the other takes care of all NAT'd traffic |
| 05:29.30 | dymk | correct |
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| 05:30.12 | beepie | dymk, that doesn't really isolate traffic though |
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| 05:30.29 | dymk | it doesn't? |
| 05:30.30 | beepie | dymk, because arp is not really getting separated from br0 coming from the vm's |
| 05:30.50 | dymk | this is starting to leave territory that i'm familiar with |
| 05:30.53 | beepie | dymk, one way to make more separation is to create the bridge without slaving eth0 to it |
| 05:31.01 | beepie | dymk, then ise ip_Forwarding between eth0 and br0 |
| 05:31.06 | dymk | I don't have eth0 slaved to it |
| 05:31.08 | dymk | or eth0 |
| 05:31.09 | dymk | *1 |
| 05:31.31 | dymk | it's a bridge created with "brctl addbr xenbr0; ifconfig xenbr0 192.168.10.1" |
| 05:31.36 | beepie | dymk, yeah you can use a "dummy" or virtual ether device and use that as a slave to br0 |
| 05:31.40 | Chocolate_Chip | Can anyone help me with encrypting my swap? |
| 05:31.54 | dymk | oh, how do i create a dummy virtual interface? |
| 05:32.00 | beepie | dymk, so the Natting is being done on the eth0 interface after doing routing between eth0<->xenbr0 |
| 05:32.14 | Chocolate_Chip | I did choco@choco-lap:~$ sudo mkswap /dev/sda6 && sudo swapon /dev/sda6 && sudo ecryptfs-setup-swap but it returns in error |
| 05:32.36 | beepie | dymk, i forget if it can work with the bridge device, but there's also another virt device that certainly should be able to |
| 05:32.41 | dymk | beepie: perhaps this'll clarify: http://hastebin.com/minarafenu.apache |
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| 05:32.55 | beepie | dymk, there's modprobe dummy, there's options for it to create more than 1 dummy device |
| 05:33.01 | beepie | dymk, it's like a "lo" interface |
| 05:33.17 | Chocolate_Chip | swapon: cannot find the device for UUID=212ea2e5-6539-4876-b57e-e03a42a1f926 |
| 05:33.17 | Chocolate_Chip | swapon: stat of /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 failed: No such file or directory |
| 05:33.48 | beepie | dymk, if you're able to do this setup, you'll really much appreciate ovs -- it's much much better than this |
| 05:33.57 | dymk | beepie: http://hastebin.com/ufajigewak.sm |
| 05:34.00 | dymk | is what my netowkr looks like |
| 05:34.04 | beepie | dymk, you can do port mirroring, netflow/ipfix accounting |
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| 05:34.42 | dymk | hm yeah i'll see what i can do with ovs |
| 05:34.50 | dymk | it sounds like it'll probably be better suited for what i want to do |
| 05:34.59 | dymk | like actually purpose built |
| 05:35.00 | beepie | dymk, you can dedicate one VM as a snort sniffer |
| 05:35.44 | beepie | dymk, without worrying about misusing any traffic analysis breakage on the physical host |
| 05:35.55 | beepie | dymk, the idea of course is not to service from the physical host |
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| 05:36.24 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 05:36.30 | beepie | dymk, i was doing something similar like this with brctl until i decided to try things like snort |
| 05:36.31 | tite12345 | How can I change my gdm3 theme? |
| 05:36.39 | grepper | anyone on sid have a problem with recent upgrade with python3? ImportError: cannot import name 'IntEnum'. I asked on #debian-next as well no conversation there atm, since I asked an hour ago. |
| 05:36.40 | dymk | beepie: you moved to ovs? |
| 05:36.43 | beepie | dymk, y |
| 05:36.52 | dymk | flips a table |
| 05:36.56 | dymk | time to throw away brctl :P |
| 05:37.13 | beepie | dymk, ovs is industry supported -- it's not hard to learn actually |
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| 05:37.47 | beepie | dymk, i use it for my own server/vms on a dedicated host |
| 05:37.47 | dymk | roger that |
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| 05:38.08 | dymk | thanks for the tips, beepie :) |
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| 05:38.21 | beepie | dymk, there's a new generation of "brctl" with improvement, and there's vswitch, but ovs is still more advanced |
| 05:39.09 | beepie | dymk, ovs is nice because if you want to diagnose traffic, you can just setup a port mirror, and watch traffic on it in a dedicated vm for packet analysis |
| 05:39.36 | dymk | are there utilities for doing that? can't say that i'm familiar with packet level analysis |
| 05:39.50 | beepie | dymk, there does not have to be and 192.168.x.x ip aassigned, just an ip link set <int> up, and have tcpdump, etc.. |
| 05:40.32 | dymk | and this forwards traffic to both the VM and that interface? |
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| 05:41.52 | beepie | dymk, it's like an ethertap -- it doesn't consume/put anything on the interface |
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| 05:42.51 | beepie | dymk, s.lowe has great resources on ovs ( http://blog.scottlowe.org/2012/10/04/some-insight-into-open-vswitch-configuration/ ) |
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| 05:43.43 | beepie | dymk, ( http://git.openvswitch.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openvswitch;a=blob_plain;f=FAQ;hb=HEAD -- shows a mirror port example) |
| 05:43.52 | dymk | thanks |
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| 05:44.39 | beepie | dymk, pretty much all you do in the VM - is to do "ip link set <interface> up" as you don't have any ip address bound to it-- or you can use the interfaces file and use the "manual" method with "up" and "down" -- ip link set <int> up/down |
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| 05:46.19 | beepie | dymk, ovs mirror-- you can choose whether you want to send "in" traffic our "out" (or both) to the "only one mirror port" that you can have per bridge |
| 05:46.27 | beepie | dymk, sorry- |
| 05:46.37 | beepie | dymk, in/out to the "port being monitored" |
| 05:46.50 | beepie | dymk, and then have that "sent to the mirroring port" -- but note |
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| 05:47.01 | beepie | dymk, the mirroring port does not take participation in networking activity |
| 05:47.18 | beepie | dymk, it should be more called a "monitoring" port as that's what it is |
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| 05:48.28 | beepie | !openvswitch |
| 05:49.31 | beepie | dymk, my recommendation is not to use the latest stable from debian, but to go for 2.9xxx as the monitoring feature here i think is broken on 2.3 |
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| 05:50.08 | beepie | dymk, so you might have to still build to get proper functionality from the ovs project -- though it is easy as the ovs project releases their sources to build themselves into .deb files |
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| 05:50.56 | beepie | dymk, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openvswitch-switch&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all << even stretch/testing is still on 2.3 |
| 05:53.28 | dymk | sure i can build from source |
| 05:53.35 | dymk | or i'll find those debs |
| 05:53.50 | beepie | dymk, y, nice thing is the source builds it for you :) |
| 05:54.03 | dymk | oh it does a checkinstall? |
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| 05:54.31 | beepie | dymk, you trying it from here? -> http://openvswitch.org/download/ |
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| 05:54.41 | dymk | would be my first choice yeah |
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| 05:55.35 | beepie | the one i last tried was months ago-- i just logged into my remote system -- 2.4 |
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| 05:55.38 | beepie | (jessie) |
| 05:55.58 | beepie | their releases have always built properly for me.. but it should be easy to have it compile |
| 05:58.02 | beepie | dymk, lemme tell ya, i had to use a usb-ipmi in order to fix my remote system :) |
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| 06:26.48 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 06:26.54 | tite12345 | How can I change my gdm3 theme |
| 06:26.56 | tite12345 | ?* |
| 06:27.10 | tite12345 | Nothing of my searches worked. |
| 06:27.11 | tite12345 | :( |
| 06:27.26 | tite12345 | I have 3 DEs on my Debian installation. |
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| 06:32.50 | kion | Why is it that I can hit the Power Off button and shut down my computer, but If I want to do it via the terminal I HAVE to use sudo?( 'sudo poweroff') |
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| 06:34.10 | beepie | kion, i suppose cuse you don't have acpid installed |
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| 06:38.46 | kion | beepie, can you explain more? |
| 06:38.51 | Dewi | kion: because direct physical access to machines can't prompt for password |
| 06:39.17 | Dewi | kion: and software can't do much to protect it once you're physically at the case |
| 06:39.24 | beepie | kion, apt-get install acpid? |
| 06:39.38 | Dewi | beepie: that wasn't the question, kion said the power off button is working |
| 06:40.12 | beepie | modprobe button |
| 06:40.22 | kion | Yes it works, It just caught my attention that I can shut down the system without SU privileges but not so in the terminal |
| 06:40.33 | Dewi | kion: the system tries to protect itself from ordinary (non-sudo) users, who might be logged on from remote or whatever |
| 06:40.35 | beepie | there's things too i think acpid -- might be needed for properly shutting down later with button events |
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| 06:41.37 | kion | Dewi, and somehow it trusts a non-sudo user to shut down the system if he has physical access? |
| 06:42.29 | Dewi | kion: I think it's just seen as not worth stopping them, since in most cases they could pull the power cord or open the case |
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| 06:42.58 | Dewi | kion: obviously if you were making a secure kiosk or something you'd cover all that, but you'd cover power buttons too |
| 06:43.26 | Dewi | kion: physical security is very hard to do, much harder than network security |
| 06:43.28 | kion | Dewi, it makes sense |
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| 06:44.30 | Dewi | kion: and unix was always developed with the idea that the machine sits in a server room, and the users log in from elsewhere |
| 06:44.57 | kion | Dewi, That leads to my second question, Where in Linux is indicated whay actions require Sudo and which not? is it only determined by the chmod of the programs itself? |
| 06:44.57 | cluelessperson | Hi all, I want to build my own minimal debian live usb |
| 06:45.04 | cluelessperson | can anyone help me get started? |
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| 06:45.42 | Dewi | kion: yes, the x (execute) bit of the executable. There are 3: user, group, other |
| 06:45.46 | kion | cluelessperson, Are you already running Linux? |
| 06:45.58 | beepie | cluelessperson, didn't you storm about this for hours the other night? |
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| 06:47.20 | cluelessperson | kion, I'm on windows, but I can boot up debian easy enough. |
| 06:47.27 | cluelessperson | beepie, Yup. :D |
| 06:47.39 | cluelessperson | beepie, I'm going to continue until I figure it out. :) |
| 06:47.45 | kion | cluelessperson, I made my bootable USB in linux very very simple with dd |
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| 06:47.48 | Dewi | kion: but now that I actually look, most of my /sbin directory is world-executable so the programs themselves check if your userid is 0, root |
| 06:48.06 | cluelessperson | kion, I'm wanting to actually BUILD it. :) |
| 06:48.10 | cluelessperson | customize it |
| 06:48.16 | kion | Dewi, lol, I was doing the same thing! |
| 06:48.45 | kion | cluelessperson, ohhh sorry, there I don't think I can help you |
| 06:48.51 | Dewi | kion: that's why poweroff is able to say 'must be superuser' instead of just 'permission denied' |
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| 06:49.52 | kion | Dewi, Well if I type poweroff, i get Command not found instead of 'must be su' |
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| 06:50.18 | Dewi | kion: type /sbin/poweroff (as not root!) |
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| 06:50.58 | Dewi | kion: the 'not found' is simply because /sbin/ is not included in your $PATH environment variable |
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| 06:52.47 | Dewi | kion: you can see all the system paths the shell searches for executables, by typing 'echo $PATH' |
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| 06:53.07 | Dewi | kion: root environments tend to add /sbin/ and a few others |
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| 06:54.03 | Obelio | Dewi, I was Kion!!! lol It did work! and powered off my system |
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| 06:55.06 | Dewi | Obelio: the 'not found' is simply because /sbin/ is not included in your $PATH environment variable; you can see all the system paths the shell searches for executables, by typing 'echo $PATH'; root environments tend to add /sbin/ and some others |
| 06:55.37 | Obelio | Dewi, Got ir |
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| 06:55.40 | Obelio | Got it |
| 06:56.18 | Obelio | Dewi, interestingly /sbin/poweroff worked without sudo |
| 06:56.27 | Dewi | Obelio: that's unusual, it doesn't for me |
| 06:56.45 | Dewi | Obelio: you might have more liberal /etc/sudoers settings than me |
| 06:56.50 | Dewi | or something |
| 06:57.14 | Dewi | even that should need you to type 'sudo' though |
| 06:57.45 | Obelio | Dewi, Right before that I did a Sudo which poweroff, could it have something to do? |
| 06:58.02 | Dewi | sudo does update your path with /sbin/ and others |
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| 06:58.20 | Dewi | are you on a local terminal? Maybe it actually detects that and lets you do it anyway |
| 06:58.28 | Obelio | Dewi, I am afraid of trying again, because if it works, I dont want to start all over again |
| 06:58.35 | Dewi | (all my nearly terminals are remote) |
| 06:58.54 | Obelio | Dewi, I will cat my /etc/sudoers |
| 06:59.00 | Dewi | don't worry, I don't think that's it |
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| 07:00.31 | Obelio | Dewi, my user has this privilege User ALL=(ALL)ALL |
| 07:00.43 | poffs | question.... if I have a filesystem mounted with compression, doesn't that make things weird? Like, I have a .img file on a compressed filesystem, then I want to dd it to /dev/sdb -- how do I know the uncompressed size of the .img beforehand? I assume I can only simply determine the compressed size |
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| 07:01.43 | Obelio | Dewi, should I change that? |
| 07:02.32 | Dewi | Obelio: do you have sshd or other remote access? |
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| 07:03.11 | Obelio | Dewi, no, it is my laptop |
| 07:03.27 | Obelio | Dewi, I don't even have sshd installed |
| 07:03.34 | Dewi | Obelio: not really much to worry about then. Typically thought /sbin/ stuff will only work with 'sudo' or the root user |
| 07:03.49 | Dewi | and that's why it's not in normal user's $PATH |
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| 07:04.18 | Obelio | Dewi, yes I was expecting that ... but it surprised me |
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| 07:04.34 | Obelio | Dewi, Thanks anyways.. |
| 07:05.07 | Dewi | Obelio: I'm running an older version and logged in remotely, it certainly doesn't let me shut down without sudo |
| 07:05.25 | Dewi | and that's what's important :P |
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| 07:06.43 | Obelio | Dewi, Thanks. I will study the different options for /etc/sudoers, but I don't need to waste your time, I can google it |
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| 07:35.47 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 07:36.15 | tite12345 | There's an error with my Debian wherein when battery is removed it still displays as if there's a battery plugged in. |
| 07:36.31 | tite12345 | When in fact it shouldn't be showing that there's even a battery plugged in. |
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| 07:41.50 | alkisg | Hi, I've sent a mail with the topic "subscribe" and body "subscribe" to "809166-subscribe@bugs.debian.org". I did not get a confirmation mail and I don't think I have subscribed to the bug report. What did I do wrong? |
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| 08:08.18 | dsc_ | does anyone know whats wrong here: http://pastie.org/pastes/10690974/text?key=k8gngpjs7cv2tfafnmoeaw |
| 08:08.21 | dsc_ | using debian 7.9 |
| 08:08.42 | dsc_ | getting some 404's during apt-get install |
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| 08:09.15 | dsc_ | in /etc/apt/sources.list I have: |
| 08:09.16 | dsc_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 08:09.16 | dsc_ | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 08:09.22 | dsc_ | ^_^ |
| 08:10.15 | nkuttler | dsc_: looks like your mirror is not up to date |
| 08:10.40 | dsc_ | nkuttler: do i have to go to the store and buy a new mirror? |
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| 08:23.13 | darkblue_b | hi - I would like to make this almost-trivial package from a python pypi package |
| 08:23.49 | darkblue_b | I have a dir and pypi source.. I used py2dsc and then debuild |
| 08:24.13 | darkblue_b | it made ... something.. I wrote a text file called copyright in the source dir |
| 08:24.30 | darkblue_b | I ran lintian .. failed on small errors.. tips ? |
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| 08:25.43 | markybob | darkblue_b, https://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide shows how to make debs |
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| 08:26.01 | darkblue_b | sure, but this is almost done .. |
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| 08:28.05 | darkblue_b | http://paste.debian.net/365949/ |
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| 08:35.09 | Iridos | darkblue_b, this is for your own use only? |
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| 08:35.54 | darkblue_b | hmm I have to show some effort with the other packagers on my project.. if I get a basic something working, they are more likely to go ahead and do it again to their standards |
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| 08:36.09 | darkblue_b | Iridos, so if I get a trivial one done, it would help |
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| 08:36.29 | darkblue_b | the copyright file shows the correct author and license.. |
| 08:36.48 | Iridos | mh, what project... do you distribute to a lot of machines? |
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| 08:36.54 | darkblue_b | yes we do |
| 08:37.07 | darkblue_b | relatively.. to humans, not cloud |
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| 08:37.18 | darkblue_b | its OSGeo.org |
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| 08:38.04 | Iridos | hmm |
| 08:38.12 | markybob | so you should probably do it the right way like i showed you |
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| 08:40.42 | asnextage | guys is secure to use *.sh app that doesn't downloaded from owner site? like netbeans. |
| 08:41.37 | Iridos | darkblue_b, I think there are some things you can easily find out yourself... when you have a debian system, apt-get source packagename will auto-fetch the source/dsc ... e.g. copyright is called COPYING, as you can see in any package |
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| 08:43.03 | Iridos | darkblue_b, then there's a Changelog file that you are missing |
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| 08:44.12 | darkblue_b | mv copyright COPYING |
| 08:44.59 | Iridos | darkblue_b, and... a thing for you to consider: here in debian we generally disencourage installing deb-files from 3rd-party repo because they are often of poor quality |
| 08:45.49 | Iridos | there are the packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) which explain how things are done properly... |
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| 08:46.05 | darkblue_b | mv CHANGES.txt CHANGELOG |
| 08:46.32 | Iridos | darkblue_b, look into a package, it isn't CHANGELOG |
| 08:48.03 | Iridos | at least skim the documentation and look at a package for obvious stuff... then ask again in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, that is the channel for mentoring new debian package mainatiners |
| 08:48.09 | darkblue_b | mv CHANGES.txt ChangeLog |
| 08:48.49 | darkblue_b | I dont see the "easy" in "packaging is easy" |
| 08:48.58 | Iridos | actually CHANGES.txt is probably from your software, ChangeLog has its own specific syntax... so it's probably not a mv, but writing a short one |
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| 08:49.26 | darkblue_b | fades away at 01:00 |
| 08:49.38 | Iridos | it's mostly intuitive... of course you first have to spend a long time learning it |
| 08:49.39 | Iridos | ^^ |
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| 08:49.56 | markybob | Iridos, if he doesn't care i guess we shouldn't |
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| 08:52.22 | Iridos | markybob, seems he does enough to try to make it... only he thought it's done in 20 minutes |
| 08:56.06 | Amun_Ra | ,v ifupdown |
| 08:56.07 | judd | Package: ifupdown on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.10; wheezy: 0.7.8; jessie: 0.7.53.1; stretch: 0.8.6; sid: 0.8.8 |
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| 08:57.41 | {xmb} | when will linux-4.4-final appear |
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| 08:57.45 | sumi | hello |
| 08:58.02 | {xmb} | hi |
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| 08:58.19 | sumi | i just discovered SystemD yesterday. It's really amazing. 4 lines instead of 100 for startup scripts ! |
| 08:58.46 | markybob | {xmb}, what do you mean? it's already released |
| 08:58.53 | {xmb} | i wrote my own #!/bin/bash init script |
| 08:59.03 | {xmb} | hm |
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| 08:59.28 | veek | is there some software for the bling that can read the time |
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| 08:59.58 | veek | s/bling/blind |
| 09:01.03 | Amun_Ra | veek: say, festival, espeak, and so on |
| 09:01.31 | {xmb} | date | say # maybe |
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| 09:02.06 | {xmb} | markybob where, my apt says has only rc8 |
| 09:02.17 | {xmb} | while 4.4 is long time out |
| 09:02.28 | veek | thanks |
| 09:02.32 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 09:02.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-rc8-686-pae (4.4~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-5); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-5); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 09:02.36 | markybob | {xmb}, you weren't clear. you said appear. not in debian repos. |
| 09:03.05 | {xmb} | sorry i meant as .deb |
| 09:03.13 | {xmb} | like in experimental |
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| 09:04.15 | jelly | {xmb}: gnustep-gui-runtime: /usr/bin/say -- doesn't look like anything speech synthesis relevant |
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| 09:04.23 | {xmb} | other related question: why does the rc8 bpot fine but rc8-rt doesnt |
| 09:04.44 | jelly | ,i saytime |
| 09:04.45 | judd | Package saytime (sound, optional) in jessie/amd64: speaks the current time through your sound card. Version: 1.0-26; Size: 144.5k; Installed: 252k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/saytime |
| 09:05.17 | {xmb} | yeah i dunno jelly sorry, try 'apt-cache search reader speaker'or so |
| 09:05.19 | jelly | veek: try that saytime thing, maybe |
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| 09:05.35 | {xmb} | and then u pipe the cmd like date thru it |
| 09:05.53 | jim | how can I find out what's prevented netbeans from getting into jessie? |
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| 09:06.04 | veek | jelly, yeah saytime's nice - thanks |
| 09:07.02 | jelly | jim: no new software gets into a debian release after the release date. |
| 09:07.20 | jelly | oh, prevented not preventing |
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| 09:09.40 | jim | jelly, that part I understand |
| 09:09.56 | jelly | jim: on http://tracker.debian.org/netbeans you'd look at why it got removed from testing, prior to jessie freeze and release date... so https://tracker.debian.org/news/514193 probably |
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| 09:10.38 | jim | is "apt-get source netbeans" available? |
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| 09:10.51 | jim | from say testing repos? |
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| 09:11.51 | jelly | jim: you can see there's a version in testing right now, so yes |
| 09:12.32 | morf | jim: i'm running latest netbeans for years from netbeans.org never had single issue |
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| 09:12.40 | jelly | it's anyone's guess how easy it would be to build it on jessie |
| 09:12.44 | jim | ok, let me see |
| 09:12.51 | jelly | ,checkbackport netbeans |
| 09:12.52 | judd | Backporting package netbeans in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: antlr3 (>= 3.5.2), libjsch-agent-proxy-java (>= 0.0.8), libosgi-compendium-java (>= 5.0.0), libosgi-core-java (>= 6.0.0). |
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| 09:13.10 | jim | heh, I feel a wasp's nest nearby :P |
| 09:13.18 | morf | zzz |
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| 09:14.27 | jim | hmm, unsatisfyable... |
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| 09:15.22 | taylorbyte | I cant seem to start freeradius on debian jessie http://0bin.net/paste/vWAGvMrirh1W35ed#bVTdIaS3iFX7wWh1+ru8MUZYl+1qn+YuWfwhG5nhEa1 not sure i need to replace the cert files with proper ones in order to get freeradius to start or not? |
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| 09:18.11 | tonythomas | I was trying to install linux drivers for my davicom DM96xx USB 10/100 Ethernet from the driver available at http://www.davicom.com.tw/page1.aspx?no=209814 . I tried sudo make, and got this error. https://dpaste.de/XtNO/raw |
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| 09:18.28 | tonythomas | can someone take a look at what I am doing wrong ? |
| 09:18.50 | jelly | tonythomas: confirm /etc/freeradius/certs/server.key is readable for user freerad |
| 09:19.21 | tonythomas | freeradius ? I dont know of a user like that in my system. |
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| 09:20.38 | jelly | tonythomas: um, look at your ls -alh /etc/freeradius/ output |
| 09:21.24 | tonythomas | jelly: you sure, that is to me ? I dont even have a directory named freeradius there |
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| 09:21.32 | jelly | oh, sorry |
| 09:21.40 | jelly | taylorbyte: confirm /etc/freeradius/certs/server.key is readable for user freerad |
| 09:21.57 | jelly | lazy fingers |
| 09:22.41 | tonythomas | jelly: okey :) do take a look at https://dpaste.de/XtNO/raw too when you have time |
| 09:24.14 | jelly | tonythomas: 3.16 kernel in debian 8 already has the dm9601 driver available |
| 09:24.39 | tonythomas | jelly: my uname -r shows 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 09:24.50 | tonythomas | why is it still not working, then :( |
| 09:24.53 | jelly | tonythomas: and what does "modinfo dm9601" say? |
| 09:25.30 | tonythomas | jelly: https://dpaste.de/FC4L/raw |
| 09:26.05 | tonythomas | jelly: anything unusual there ? |
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| 09:26.12 | jelly | tonythomas: so it's there. Verify the usb id of your device matches one of supported usb id from the modinfo output |
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| 09:26.16 | jelly | tonythomas: lsusb |
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| 09:27.00 | tonythomas | jelly: I have the lsusb output here - https://dpaste.de/C3qo/raw |
| 09:27.27 | jelly | tonythomas: which entry matches your eth. card? |
| 09:27.37 | tonythomas | jelly: sec. I forgot to insert my card :D |
| 09:27.55 | jelly | that has a tendency to make it not work |
| 09:27.57 | tonythomas | jelly: here it is https://dpaste.de/4JCG/raw |
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| 09:28.31 | jelly | so your card has usb id 0fe6:9700 |
| 09:28.37 | tonythomas | jelly: yup ! |
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| 09:28.58 | jelly | and the driver says it supports that usb id alias: usb:v0FE6p9700d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in* |
| 09:29.25 | tonythomas | jelly: true. so, that match, right ? |
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| 09:29.55 | jelly | tonythomas: yes. look at dmesg and lsmod output, see if the driver loaded automatically when you first plugged it in |
| 09:30.33 | jelly | if it did, you now ought to have a new eth interface available |
| 09:30.34 | tonythomas | jelly: I have this in dmesg output https://dpaste.de/jnVO/raw |
| 09:31.06 | chele | is codeword 'stable' acceptable in the sources.list as well? |
| 09:31.15 | jelly | tonythomas: so you have an "eth3" right there, seems it works |
| 09:31.28 | markybob | chele, no. jessie. use release names |
| 09:31.29 | tonythomas | jelly: and ifconfig do have the new interface eth3, but when I connect a lan cable, I get a long list of |
| 09:31.29 | taylorbyte | jelly: cat: /etc/freeradius/certs/server.key: Permission denied thats strange this means debian ships the freeradius package with wrong permissions? |
| 09:31.37 | jelly | chele: yes but do not use it unless you know EXACTLY why you want to |
| 09:31.47 | tonythomas | jelly: [ 9593.127490] dm9601 3-1:1.0 eth3: link down in my dmesg |
| 09:31.58 | tonythomas | that was making me curious |
| 09:32.01 | jelly | tonythomas: cable plugged in? |
| 09:32.06 | tonythomas | jelly: yup ! |
| 09:32.15 | jelly | tonythomas: other end of the cable plugged in? |
| 09:32.30 | tonythomas | jelly: it is! |
| 09:32.34 | markybob | chele, this is because when testing becomes stable, and you have stable in your sources, things *will* break |
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| 09:33.23 | jelly | tonythomas: well, assuming the cable works, try doing a manual "ifconfig eth3 up" and see if there's a change in dmesg a couple seconds after that |
| 09:33.24 | tonythomas | jelly: which make me feel there was some error with the driver |
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| 09:34.26 | tonythomas | jelly: I still can see the same [ 9735.985225] dm9601 3-1:1.0 eth3: link down piling up in my dmesg |
| 09:34.34 | tonythomas | and the interface is not up :( |
| 09:34.59 | chele | markybob I am gonna use it merely to see what packages are available in apt policy output. At the same time I wanna make it more persistent and avoid changing the release name every time there is new release. I know is not so often but why not? |
| 09:35.03 | taylorbyte | jelly: i followed the file it was a symlink to /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key which is only -rw-r----- 1 root root might change that and see how i go |
| 09:35.29 | markybob | chele, because it'll break your system horribly. |
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| 09:36.09 | chele | markybob I am not gonna install from it (Using apt preferences) |
| 09:36.43 | jelly | chele: you WANT to change the name on every release manually, because the release upgrade procedure is never automatic |
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| 09:38.06 | jelly | chele: debian actually used "stable" in there before debian 5-6, it used to break people's systems when they would not notice a release happened and got packages from release+1 |
| 09:38.18 | jelly | it was a bug. Got fixed. |
| 09:38.59 | chele | jelly I see. But even if you don't install from it? |
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| 09:39.25 | chele | Maybe I am in the wrong channel. I run sid. |
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| 09:51.01 | lime_ | chele: debian sid is the best ;) |
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| 09:55.40 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 09:56.00 | tite12345 | I'm trying to change my bootsplash but I get this error: update-alternatives: error: cannot stat file '/lib/plymouth/themes/music_splash_boobies/default.plymouth': Too many levels of symbolic links |
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| 09:56.03 | tite12345 | What to do? |
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| 09:58.26 | markybob | tite12345, i assume most of us have never touched plymouth. you might want to try #plymouth |
| 09:58.30 | taylorbyte | lime_: i used to run debian sid as my desktop for cutting edge software, i switched to archlinux for even more cutting edge and the packages seemed to work together better than sid, tho i still think debian is the best server distro |
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| 09:59.11 | tite12345 | markybob: Thanks a lot! |
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| 10:00.26 | jim | chele, you could look at packages.debian.org |
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| 10:01.19 | lime_ | taylorbyte: I've used arch as well, I quite enjoy the aur repo.... though I wouldn't run sid on a server |
| 10:01.30 | chele | jim is not fast enough. I could do ton of other stuff as well. |
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| 10:01.58 | taylorbyte | lime_: yea i run stable for my servers |
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| 10:18.21 | DebianCurious600 | Hello, could you guys suggest me how to use a wake on lan client under debian? |
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| 10:18.44 | DebianCurious600 | I need a client.. i don't have to wake the debian machine, i want to use the debian machine to send magic packets around and wake other devices! :) |
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| 10:19.11 | DebianCurious600 | obviously knowing the mac address of the machines on the lan |
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| 10:21.41 | bezaban | DebianCurious600: package wakeonlan or etherwake, also there are python libs if you prefer |
| 10:22.14 | DebianCurious600 | bezaban: which one of the first 2 you would suggest me? is a matter of taste? lot of persons talk abot etherwake |
| 10:22.34 | bezaban | DebianCurious600: haven't tried any, so couldn't recommend one |
| 10:23.34 | bezaban | that is, I can't remember what I used years ago, since I don't really need wol |
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| 10:24.37 | DebianCurious600 | bezaban: thanks the same man :) |
| 10:25.23 | bezaban | DebianCurious600: good luck. Sending wol packets shouldn't be the hard part if you have access to the local network:) |
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| 10:26.00 | DebianCurious600 | bezaban: i read that wakeonlan package allows you to do things without root privileges |
| 10:26.15 | DebianCurious600 | bezaban: etherwake requires them, for a matter of flexibility i think i will go for wakeonlan |
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| 10:53.00 | negge | how do I "unrequire" password change on next login? None of the chage commands I've found works |
| 10:53.20 | negge | the first three fields of "chage -l root" says "password must be chnaged" |
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| 10:54.11 | negge | the problem is that I can use "sudo su" to gain root access (without being forced to change the password) but root's crontab doesn't work |
| 10:55.33 | markybob | negge, drop the -l. chage root should work |
| 10:55.59 | negge | markybob: that gives me the interactive prompt |
| 10:56.11 | negge | no matter what I put in any of the fields the "password must be changed" value doesn't go away |
| 10:56.12 | markybob | negge, usermod -e '' root |
| 10:56.30 | negge | "no changes" |
| 10:56.41 | markybob | chage -E -1 -M -1 root |
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| 10:57.28 | negge | markybob: http://pastebin.com/94zE6meR |
| 10:57.29 | negge | nothing works |
| 10:57.59 | markybob | negge, why not just fucking change it? |
| 10:58.12 | negge | it's a provisioned box |
| 10:58.26 | markybob | negge, so? |
| 10:58.29 | negge | I don't want to have to log in to every box and make up a password manually |
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| 10:59.07 | markybob | negge, do you know the current root password? |
| 10:59.10 | negge | no |
| 10:59.17 | markybob | ah |
| 10:59.34 | markybob | now it makes sense. yeah, not gonna happen |
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| 10:59.43 | negge | why not? |
| 10:59.59 | negge | would the prompt go away if I changed the password field in /etc/shadow to ! |
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| 11:01.21 | negge | markybob: ? |
| 11:02.54 | markybob | negge, you need to contact whoever provisioned the box. |
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| 11:03.19 | negge | markybob: I'm the one doing it |
| 11:03.28 | negge | but it's automated, it's a Digitalocean droplet |
| 11:03.48 | negge | the provisioning process obviously has root access, from there I create a normal user with password-less sudo |
| 11:03.53 | negge | which is why sudo su works |
| 11:04.01 | negge | but I need to disable the expiration on the root password so cron starts working |
| 11:04.23 | markybob | negge, and you can't just sudo passwd root ? to set a new one? |
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| 11:05.01 | negge | hah! |
| 11:05.02 | negge | usermod -p '!' root |
| 11:05.17 | negge | markybob: no, I don't want root to have a password at all |
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| 11:05.23 | negge | that's just a side effect of using Digitalocean |
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| 11:07.03 | markybob | negge, a host that has that much control is freaky. what else did they change? backdoors? no thanks. |
| 11:08.43 | nkuttler | um, what? do doesn't do password aging by default |
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| 11:09.02 | nkuttler | or is it a managed host? then you just get what you ordered.. |
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| 11:14.21 | negge | nkuttler: I provision snapshots with Packer |
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| 11:14.32 | negge | don't know exactly what happens behind the scenes |
| 11:15.13 | markybob | which is terrifying. that's why i use linode |
| 11:15.32 | nkuttler | negge: i guess your snapshots must configure the password aging.. i just configure my hosts with saltstack |
| 11:15.44 | negge | okay |
| 11:15.58 | negge | I don't touch the password at all during the process |
| 11:16.20 | teraflops | Yeah linode is so secure.... |
| 11:16.53 | nkuttler | linode and do both give you preinstalled debian systems, don't really see the difference here. what you install on them is up to you |
| 11:16.56 | markybob | teraflops, they did mighty fine during this DoS attack if that's what you're talking about. my servers had zero downtime |
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| 11:17.15 | nkuttler | and they leaked cc data |
| 11:17.26 | teraflops | markybob: they do not deserve to exists.... |
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| 11:17.57 | redcheckers | i recently installed debian from the livedvd(gnome)'s menu entry for graphical install, and had it install the grub bootloader to the mba of my primary hard disk. however it seems to be undetected during boot. i have tried toggling secure boot on and off in my UEFI settings, and i can boot the debian on the disk fine through qemu, but it'd be nice to boot directly... any ideas? |
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| 11:18.22 | teraflops | markybob: https://m.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/3zlttw/linode_user_credentials_compromised_all_customers/ |
| 11:18.32 | nkuttler | redcheckers: you should probably boot the installer and reinstall the bootloader |
| 11:18.45 | markybob | nkuttler, that's not correct. https://blog.linode.com/2013/04/16/security-incident-update/ |
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| 11:18.59 | redcheckers | nkuttler: doing anything differently ? |
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| 11:20.11 | markybob | teraflops, get your facts right. |
| 11:20.35 | nkuttler | markybob: there was another breach in 2014, anyway </ot> |
| 11:20.47 | nkuttler | redcheckers: not really, just to be sure |
| 11:21.01 | redcheckers | nkuttler: well, it boots off of the installed bootloader when i run qemu. |
| 11:21.13 | redcheckers | nkuttler: so i'm not quite clear on what it is you're suggesting i should change |
| 11:21.22 | nkuttler | redcheckers: qemu? |
| 11:21.26 | teraflops | Yeah ot |
| 11:21.36 | redcheckers | nkuttler: yes. apt-get install qemu-system |
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| 11:21.58 | nkuttler | redcheckers: which system runs qemu? i thought you can't boot? |
| 11:22.18 | redcheckers | nkuttler: did you see above, where i am on the livedvd(gnome) ? |
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| 11:35.26 | IceBot3000 | The time on my server is incorrect by ~2 hours. Is there a way to set the correct time, so it gradually adjusts over a day or so rather than instant? |
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| 11:36.15 | themill | IceBot3000: is the timezone correct (what's the output of "date; date --utc") |
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| 11:37.06 | IceBot3000 | Yes, timezone is correctly set as GMT |
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| 11:37.29 | IceBot3000 | The server never had the time set correctly or NTP running or anything, and no-one noticed... |
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| 11:47.22 | themill | IceBot3000: slewing the time that far takes a long time; is it slow or fast? timewarps forwards are less problematic than timewarps backwards |
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| 12:17.54 | John | Hi all |
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| 12:18.20 | John | I have a hard drive thats HFS+ formatted (Mac OS) and with htfplus drivers its really unstable |
| 12:18.37 | John | Sometimes it just refuses to mount as rw even if i specifically ask/beg/plead |
| 12:18.54 | John | So i bought a second external HDD and formatted it to Ext4 |
| 12:19.11 | John | I now want to copy as much as possible from the old drive to the new drive |
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| 12:19.55 | John | Im worried that "cp /media/john/HDD1 /media/john/HDD2" might miss something, or might stall half-way through because of something and i'll have wasted a lot of time |
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| 12:21.24 | nikitasius | helloworld, hellodebian! |
| 12:21.32 | nikitasius | ahh lol |
| 12:25.41 | lahaugen87 | John. Use "rsync -aP /source /destination" |
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| 12:29.04 | nikitasius | https://www.qualys.com/2016/01/14/cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778/openssh-cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778.txt |
| 12:30.12 | themill | nikitasius: both already fixed |
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| 12:31.31 | nikitasius | themill, yes. I've updated manually. |
| 12:31.47 | nikitasius | 7.1p2 |
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| 12:47.28 | gerforce | hello, there. i have a problem with my kernel routing table on debian jessie. Everytime i restarted my eth0, my kernel routing table always got a wrong default gateway. |
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| 12:48.30 | gerforce | which is an entry i added manually several days ago. |
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| 12:50.32 | gerforce | How can i make it right permanently? |
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| 12:57.41 | chele | gerforce where did you add that entry? |
| 12:57.45 | chele | and how |
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| 12:58.51 | gerforce | chele: i add this entry in my working environment |
| 12:59.18 | gerforce | chele: like this: sudo route add defaut gw 172.17.75.254 |
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| 12:59.53 | chele | gerforce there is a delete command as well. |
| 12:59.58 | Brigo | gerforce, route command is not persistent, it will not change routes after reboot. |
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| 13:01.05 | gerforce | Brigo: yes, that's the weird thing. I correct the routing table manually, but after reboot, the wrong table appears again. |
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| 13:01.49 | gerforce | chele: i use the del command to correct my routing table to fit in with my home network environment |
| 13:01.53 | Brigo | did you check /etc/network directory for modified files? that is the normal place for configuring routes. |
| 13:01.56 | treehug88 | gerforce look at http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-debian-ubutnu-set-default-gateway-ipaddress/ , have you also changed /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:02.00 | treehug88 | what Brigo said |
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| 13:02.12 | Brigo | gerforce, are you using ifupdown or networkd? |
| 13:02.29 | gerforce | Brigo: NetworkManager |
| 13:02.57 | Brigo | maybe NM can handle routes by itself, then. |
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| 13:04.01 | gerforce | It only has loopback interface setting in /etc/network/interfaces file. |
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| 13:04.15 | bezaban | network managers can handle routes per connection |
| 13:04.21 | bezaban | network manager* |
| 13:05.39 | gerforce | bezaban: After i correct the routing table using CML, the NM GUI still has the wrong default route. |
| 13:06.00 | bezaban | gerforce: yeah, set it in nm |
| 13:06.24 | Brigo | gerforce, you can use NM or /etc/network/interfaces, not both and you are using NM, so check its configuration. |
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| 13:10.54 | e1z0 | is it good to update debian squeeze to jessy ? or make upgrade to 7 first and then to jessie ? |
| 13:11.22 | gerforce | problem solved. I couldn't find the configuration what i want to see in NM. So i just use the option "forget" in the GUI panel, and bang. It appears normal now. |
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| 13:11.51 | themill | e1z0: you can't skip releases when upgrading |
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| 13:12.22 | e1z0 | i've got some errors then doing dist-upgrade for example "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libstdc++-4.9-dev'." |
| 13:12.39 | gerforce | Thanks. Guys |
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| 13:13.43 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 13:14.11 | tite12345 | Could you guys help me with plymouth customization? |
| 13:14.19 | eolo999 | hi, when does apt creates a .md5sums files in /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
| 13:14.27 | eolo999 | hi, when does apt creates .md5sums files in /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
| 13:15.04 | themill | eolo999: apt doesn't; many packages include them already while others will be generated at install time from wheezy onwards. |
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| 13:15.48 | themill | e1z0: that sounds a lot like upgrading from squeeze to jessie without going via wheezy |
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| 13:16.07 | e1z0 | yeah, indeed |
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| 13:28.26 | eolo999 | themill: thanks a lot. so that means that if find a file there with a certain timestamp somebody installed the packaged named in the file? |
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| 13:37.43 | nylon3 | hi, I have a file "Ian Murdock". How do I remove it? |
| 13:37.55 | nylon3 | Now that was just an example. It has a space in it, that's the problem |
| 13:38.06 | nylon3 | I'm not making a joke about removing Ian Murdock just because he's dead, no. |
| 13:38.25 | themill | nylon3: please play elsewhere. |
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| 13:38.40 | nylon3 | themill: can you ban me from this channel please? |
| 13:38.59 | themill | nylon3: you're looking for /quit |
| 13:39.51 | nylon3 | themill: I have stumbled upon an obstacle on my quest to get banned here, so I will have to abort. |
| 13:40.00 | nylon3 | Good bye themill, you truly are a mill. |
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| 13:40.26 | nylon3 | Uptime: the battle is won by you for now. |
| 13:40.34 | nylon3 | disappears into the shades |
| 13:40.53 | lahaugen87 | You are strange, but i gues you knew that already |
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| 13:41.08 | ws2k3 | my machine is not booting anymore cause the disk is renamed from sda1 to sdb1. can i fix this from inside initramfs? |
| 13:42.13 | towo` | that's why clever user using uuid instead of devicenames |
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| 13:42.50 | ws2k3 | towo` true but thats not gonna help me out now |
| 13:43.31 | p0g0 | ws2k3: you may be able to use your BIOS to reorder the disk, also if you are using grub, you can edit the boot startup too. |
| 13:44.08 | ws2k3 | p0g0 i already tryed didnt work. i'm not trying to change the disk in grub only i cant remember exacly how that should be done |
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| 13:45.17 | p0g0 | ws2k3: the web has good examples. You want to edit the grub config at startup to assert the boot and root drives/dir. I expect you can find that if you look. |
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| 13:49.23 | mernilio | Hi all!! :-) |
| 13:49.32 | ruehrkuchen | hello |
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| 13:50.30 | mernilio | your nick indikates germany? |
| 13:50.43 | mernilio | :-) |
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| 13:51.10 | ruehrkuchen | yes |
| 13:51.18 | mernilio | oki |
| 13:51.38 | ruehrkuchen | and you're from sweden? |
| 13:52.05 | mernilio | Yes, im a proud Viking from the country of Sweden :-) |
| 13:52.21 | ruehrkuchen | ok, welcome :) |
| 13:52.39 | mernilio | Thanks! :-) |
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| 13:54.25 | mernilio | We have a german queen, and i suppose thats why germany likes us. Otherwise i think the relationship between our two countries would be more frosty. |
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| 13:54.48 | bhuddah | you have a german queen? |
| 13:54.55 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 13:54.55 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 13:55.43 | mernilio | She is originaly from germany. Also an avid user of SUSE i have been told... ;-P |
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| 13:56.21 | mernilio | But okay, this is a support channel. I know! :-) |
| 13:56.46 | mernilio | Im just trying to be friendly! |
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| 13:57.15 | mernilio | With the germans... |
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| 13:58.35 | ruehrkuchen | hugs mernilio |
| 13:58.40 | chele | towo` have interesting scenario for the uuid/devicenames. Let's assume we have machine a, machine b, disk c, disk d. a,b,c,d from now on. assembly c in a. install os in c while in a. configure use of uuid for c. now copy c to d. remove c from a. assembly d(ssd) in a. sporadicly use c as backup disk e.g. copy current state d to c. remove d from a. assembly d in b. boots with error about lvmetad not available yet.... trying to boot d i |
| 13:58.40 | chele | n a. doesn't boot with same failure and goes to initramfs. a and b are different machine with different hardware. googling a bit leads me to bug 774082. Now that I wrote all this I think what solved the issue was the proposed solution in the bug and not the use of devicename (which I haven't tested either). |
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| 14:01.53 | mernilio | chele: Good luck with that question... ;-) |
| 14:02.22 | ruehrkuchen | dat letters :P |
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| 14:05.09 | mernilio | You know ruehrkuchen .. one of my life long dream is to vistit the köln dome .. you know that i mean? |
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| 14:07.02 | mernilio | It's really majestic! It took 600 years to build. Very dark arcitecture. The dome of Cologne. |
| 14:07.14 | ruehrkuchen | yes, i know. it's a topical channel, but feel free to PM me if you like :) |
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| 14:18.20 | ruehrkuchen | hmm, software raid sucks |
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| 14:22.28 | SPF | for security reasons would someone change the default openvpn port? |
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| 14:28.03 | moozer1 | Changing port work against brain-dead opponents only. |
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| 14:28.12 | moozer1 | They exist -it could be bots |
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| 14:28.28 | moozer1 | so yes, chenging ports could make sense |
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| 14:32.18 | anddam | upon a shutdown my kernel wrote "systemd-shutdown[1]: Failed to finalize DM devices, ignoring" |
| 14:32.30 | anddam | that means I have to manually power it off, is that right? |
| 14:32.31 | esaym153 | I need to adjust my nat port timeouts for udp connections (ipsec clients stop receiving data because natted port on firewall closed (I think)) |
| 14:32.35 | anddam | it's been sitting there for a while |
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| 14:32.48 | esaym153 | is using ip_conntrack_udp_timeout ip_conntrack_udp_timeout_stream still the way to do that? |
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| 14:33.03 | pogikotalaga1235 | Hi! |
| 14:33.08 | esaym153 | seems like I thought conntrack was no longer used or something... |
| 14:33.15 | pogikotalaga1235 | My Cinnamon session got stuck |
| 14:33.22 | pogikotalaga1235 | It's no longer moving. |
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| 14:33.30 | pogikotalaga1235 | Only the mouse moves. |
| 14:33.36 | pogikotalaga1235 | Can someone help me? |
| 14:33.37 | pogikotalaga1235 | :( |
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| 14:35.12 | lahaugen87 | Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 14:35.22 | pogikotalaga1235 | lahaugen87: You mean restart the PC? |
| 14:35.27 | lahaugen87 | Yes :P |
| 14:35.33 | pogikotalaga1235 | lahaugen87: Man I have a lot of important stuff opened :( |
| 14:35.48 | pogikotalaga1235 | lahaugen87: My music is playing :p |
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| 14:36.06 | pogikotalaga1235 | still is playing* |
| 14:36.34 | pogikotalaga1235 | lahaugen87: Are there no other fixes? |
| 14:36.43 | pogikotalaga1235 | Without the need of restarting my PC completely? |
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| 14:37.17 | lahaugen87 | Better if someone else answer |
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| 14:37.26 | pogikotalaga1235 | lahaugen87: Sorry got DC'ed for a while. |
| 14:37.41 | aZz7eCh | Please stand by.. |
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| 14:57.43 | pogikotalaga1235 | Hi! |
| 14:58.02 | pogikotalaga1235 | How can I mount an encrypted external hard drive? |
| 14:58.11 | pogikotalaga1235 | I ecnrypted it via crypto_luks |
| 14:58.22 | pogikotalaga1235 | I believe I used Disks. |
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| 15:06.11 | petn-randall | pogikotalaga1235: If you're running a desktop environment, you should be able to click on the drive in the file manager and it'll ask for the password. |
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| 15:08.22 | pogikotalaga1235 | petn-randall: I couldn't access my DE right now |
| 15:08.25 | pogikotalaga1235 | I fucked it uo |
| 15:08.27 | pogikotalaga1235 | up* |
| 15:08.28 | pogikotalaga1235 | :( |
| 15:08.46 | petn-randall | pogikotalaga1235: Then you need to use cryptsetup and mount to do it. |
| 15:08.47 | pogikotalaga1235 | petn-randall: Now I'm stuck with using tty |
| 15:09.02 | pogikotalaga1235 | Ok? |
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| 15:09.08 | pogikotalaga1235 | Could you give me the command to do it? |
| 15:09.43 | pogikotalaga1235 | I want to copy all of my stuff from my PC to the encrypted hard drive and if the files copied are already existing in the hard drive, just skip it. |
| 15:10.34 | petn-randall | pogikotalaga1235: cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/<yourencryptedpartition> <descriptivename> |
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| 15:11.10 | petn-randall | pogikotalaga1235: then 'mount /dev/mapper/<descriptivename> /mnt/yourtarget' |
| 15:11.24 | petn-randall | pogikotalaga1235: Though check the man pages if you need any extra options. |
| 15:11.44 | pogikotalaga1235 | petn-randall: But your commands should do right? |
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| 15:13.18 | pogikotalaga1235 | I don't think there's a descriptive name for the hard drive :-/ |
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| 15:16.14 | DoctorD90 | uhm...anyone know how start numlockx at boot? i cant :( |
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| 15:19.05 | kallisti5 | ... it seems like no-one uses the License metadata field in dpkg's :-( |
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| 15:21.24 | astroburger | hi. is there a way to see which are the daemons that run at startup, and to easily disable them? i have things like cups running which i want to disable. how do i do that? |
| 15:21.48 | N2TOH_ | on the raspberry pi 2, why is it resisting so much? I keep getting errors that it can't find packages |
| 15:22.00 | petn-randall | kallisti5: I'm not sure, but it might be obsolete and replaced by something else. |
| 15:22.08 | tinyhippo | astroburger: ls /etc/rc*.d |
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| 15:22.46 | astroburger | tinyhippo: is each of the directories for each runlevel? |
| 15:22.59 | astroburger | sorry for stupid qns :| |
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| 15:23.22 | tinyhippo | astroburger: yes |
| 15:23.44 | N2TOH_ | only stupid ones are unasked, there are however annoying questions |
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| 15:24.33 | astroburger | tinyhippo: so if i am booting to the x server, i look in 5. and delete the ones that i dont want like cupsd and saned.. but they point to /init.d/* |
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| 15:25.32 | tinyhippo | astroburger: if you remove the link in the rc*.d directory it'll stop it starting it at runtime, but the startup script will still exist in /etc/init |
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| 15:26.09 | astroburger | tinyhippo: understand. |
| 15:26.47 | N2TOH_ | what about resolving this, W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-security/dists/wheezy/updates/contrib/binary-armhf/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.233.100 80] |
| 15:26.51 | astroburger | tinyhippo: so later i want to reinstate it, i can add back the symlink? but then will have to reboot for the changes to take effect? |
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| 15:27.34 | bmomjian1 | FYI, I can confirm the same breakage of Debian Squeeze LTS reported today: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/01/msg00675.html |
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| 15:28.04 | bmomjian1 | add a symlink to /etc/ fixed it |
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| 15:28.30 | N2TOH_ | I need to resolve these issues, it's crap like this that's keeping my project from going forward. |
| 15:29.12 | tinyhippo | astroburger: correct |
| 15:29.21 | tinyhippo | astroburger: or you can probably do service blah start |
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| 15:31.47 | aZz7eCh | Q: Any of you use FreeFileSync or any other Alternative to using SyncToy in Windows? Running TAR each time to COmpletely backup my system will become very annoying. |
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| 15:32.36 | aZz7eCh | ..cont.. noticing that its not part of default packages ... perhaps there's one that is ? |
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| 15:35.28 | Brigo | aZz7eCh, i have used unison |
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| 15:37.32 | aZz7eCh | Brigo: okay cheers thanks will look it up |
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| 15:44.17 | trit0n | is ian murdock still dead? |
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| 15:45.19 | hest | hello, i'm having some problems mounting a large zip archive as a file system. it's 5.2 gb and unzip can list and decompress files from it without problems, but fuse-zip just shows it as an empty filesystem without any error messages and with gvfs-fuse and the archive backend i get weird errors such as evince claiming that a pdf in the mounted filesystem is damaged even though it can open it fine if i copy it out to my regular filesystem. |
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| 15:45.47 | hest | are there any other methods i can try? i need to access all the files in the archive from time to time, but i'd rather not unpack the whole thing. |
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| 15:45.56 | hest | i only need read access. |
| 15:45.57 | Filystyn | installing printer |
| 15:46.00 | Filystyn | again in this month :) |
| 15:46.02 | trit0n | you could use an img file instead of a compressed zip |
| 15:46.17 | hest | trit0n: not an option, the zip file is published by someone else. |
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| 15:46.54 | Filystyn | FUCKING AGAIN |
| 15:46.57 | Filystyn | but ok |
| 15:47.03 | Filystyn | this time i know what to do |
| 15:47.06 | Filystyn | it will be ez job |
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| 15:48.02 | trit0n | so just make an image with dd and format it, mount it, and extract the zip into that |
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| 15:50.32 | karlpinc | hest: Does dmesg say anything? |
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| 15:52.00 | hest | karlpinc: nothing related to fuse-zip, it just shows some messages from UDisks2VolumeMonitor scanning the newly mounted filesystem for bluray-related index files. |
| 15:52.50 | Filystyn | and the printer is set |
| 15:52.56 | hest | and fuse-zip works fine for smaller archives. i'm wondering if i'm hitting an integer overflow bug, i'm running in 32 bit mode and 5.2 gb is more than can be addressed with a 32 bit integer. |
| 15:53.01 | Filystyn | I DID IT IN LESS THAN 5 minutes |
| 15:53.12 | karlpinc | aZz7eCh: I'd avoid unison, unless you have encryption requirements. dirvish rdiff-backup or especially rsnapshot would be better. Install debtags and use "aptitude search ~Gbackup". |
| 15:53.13 | rattking | thanks for the update |
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| 15:53.32 | Filystyn | BOSS |
| 15:53.41 | Filystyn | filystyn is boss unit |
| 15:53.50 | karlpinc | hest: That sounds plausible. |
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| 15:57.35 | hest | i suppose one workaround would be to create two new archives, unpack the files one by one and pack them into the new archives in a way that makes both of them smaller than 4 gib. or is it possible to copy files from one archive to another without decompressing and recompressing them? |
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| 16:18.11 | karlpinc | hest: I think in order to get good ideas at this point you're going to have to tell us what you're real problem is -- like why you can't just unzip them and be done with it. |
| 16:18.28 | karlpinc | s/you're/your |
| 16:18.59 | karlpinc | hest: You have some sort of problem you're trying to solve in the real world. |
| 16:20.38 | Filystyn | i am in fog of work people |
| 16:20.52 | gnat_x | hi folks. some time over the last week or so my jessie machine has stopped suspending. |
| 16:21.22 | gnat_x | systemd registers the lid close and suspend button events properly. |
| 16:21.29 | gnat_x | however no susped ever happens. |
| 16:21.42 | gnat_x | though it does trigger a screenlock. |
| 16:21.49 | gnat_x | i'm using xfce fwiw. |
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| 16:25.33 | ruied | Hello. I am installing debian stable 8.2 with raid1 patition in "/" (/dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb1), but failed to install grub. I made a cat/proc/mdstat ad checked that /dev/md1 is the raid partition, but it fails to install grub on it... It is the 4th time hat I'm tring to install linux booting from raid... |
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| 16:27.08 | ruied | On F4 console it reports 'grub-install --force "/dev/md1"' failed. |
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| 16:28.45 | ruied | have also a warning it says "it can only install grub using blocklists,, however blocklists are unreliable |
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| 16:36.09 | aZz7eCh | Q: Can I leave /dev and /run out of backups without losing anything required for programs or user files if i restore later ? |
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| 16:41.13 | karlpinc | aZz7eCh: Generally you won't need /run. It all depends on what your recovery plans are. See also the <fhs> factoid. |
| 16:41.36 | petn-randall | aZz7eCh: Yes, /dev/ is populated on demand, and /run only contains things needed for the running state of the system (nothing of persistence). |
| 16:42.39 | petn-randall | aZz7eCh: In fact, I would strongly recommend NOT including /dev/, as it contain the complete disk image (/dev/sda) and the complete memory map (/dev/mem). |
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| 16:52.47 | aZz7eCh | no wonder the number of errrors then |
| 16:52.53 | aZz7eCh | thank you for that |
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| 16:59.04 | aZz7eCh | I have a Sync program working well. The original one i asked about. FreeFileSync. It completes its job great, but spits back errors about "Socket" and "Named Pipe" files, saying they're not supported. If I browse the filesystem to find the files that are throwing these errors, would it be the ".lock" extension files in each case, and therefore... can I just add *.lock to my global exclude list? |
| 16:59.55 | aZz7eCh | or again - might they be something important? reason being, after excluding /dev and /run, most have gone, leaving 4 that are being thrown from my /home/user .program folders |
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| 17:00.03 | sumi_ | goodbye |
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| 17:02.25 | aZz7eCh | my 'recovery' intentions I am hoping is that I can just fresh install Jessie, and then copy all this back an voila all my programs will be here just like this, as well as my user files :) |
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| 17:03.50 | aZz7eCh | and okay its not the .lock files. hmm. |
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| 17:05.22 | aZz7eCh | okay so example is "/home/user/.steam/steam.pipe" is not supported, 0010000, FIFO, named pipe |
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| 17:05.50 | aZz7eCh | are these possibly files containing saved password information or something ? |
| 17:06.03 | aZz7eCh | therefore locked from duplication or something? /confused |
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| 17:13.38 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 17:14.00 | johnfg | I've got this that has crashed iceweasel the last few days: http://paste.debian.net/366019/ |
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| 17:29.47 | aZz7eCh | Q: Why is it that if I try to go to our network server (which is in standby mode) it will not wake on lan. Yet, if i open Iceweazel, and type in its ip, or smb://location ... it wakes.. Is there any way I can make natulis (the file browser) do this naturally? |
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| 17:45.49 | algol | has anyone experienced the issues with the r8169 driver? |
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| 17:46.03 | algol | unstable ethernet/wireless |
| 17:46.25 | somedude | Hey guys, I installed network-manager-openvpn, configured my VPN, and it seems to work, however, I nothing seems to be routed to the VPN. How can I route everuthing to the VPN? |
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| 17:47.29 | mernilio | Greetings! :-) |
| 17:48.23 | mernilio | Holy Smoke. The debian channel gives you lot of info |
| 17:48.53 | mernilio | We appreciate that of course. |
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| 17:49.54 | mernilio | Is there an off-topic debian channel? If i may ask? |
| 17:50.09 | finetundra2234 | mernilio: #debian-offtopic |
| 17:50.19 | mernilio | thanks! |
| 17:50.22 | johnfg | I've got this that has crashed iceweasel the last few days: http://paste.debian.net/366019/ |
| 17:50.35 | johnfg | Any idea what's wrong and how I can fix it? |
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| 17:52.41 | HicksD | I'm trying to get my laptop working with the 352 nvidia drivers from experimental on jessie. I've upgraded bumblebee-nvidia and related dependancies to the ones in jessie-backports (that all worked fine), then installed nvidia-kernel-dkms and related nvidia upgrades from experimental. However, when now use optirun, I get a permission denied message although one not solveable by the troubleshooting entry on the debian wiki. end of dmesg shows https://paste. |
| 17:52.41 | HicksD | debian.net/hidden/5c546dcf/ |
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| 17:54.10 | HicksD | error message is: [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied |
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| 17:58.00 | somedude | HicksD: I never used bumblebee, but you are getting a permission denied, do you have the privaliges to write/read or execute /dev/dri/card0? |
| 17:58.35 | HicksD | yeah it's set for video group which my user is a member of |
| 17:59.16 | somedude | did you reboot the machine after you set the group? |
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| 17:59.33 | somedude | you need to reboot everytime you set a new group afaik |
| 17:59.42 | HicksD | the group has been set for a long time, but yes I've rebooted since doing the install just to be sure |
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| 18:00.24 | somedude | I see in the wiki you also need a bumblebee group |
| 18:00.26 | somedude | do you have that? |
| 18:00.48 | HicksD | yeah, i've gone through the wiki including the screen section that mentioned a permission denied error |
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| 18:01.13 | otyugh | hey. What is the straigtest way to know what port is used by what apps ? I mean the ones like "49668/tcp" "36656/tcp". I played a bit scanning my ports using nmap, and I understand the reason of only half of them :/ |
| 18:01.18 | HicksD | bumblebee works fine when I use the nvidia 340 from jessie + related bumblebee, it also seems to work fine if I upgrade just bumblebee-nvidia + related via backports |
| 18:01.18 | cluelessperson | Question, why is the "Erasing data" step in debian setup not optional? |
| 18:01.31 | HicksD | problem seems to be once I pull in 352 nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:01.39 | stoned | it is. depending on how your partitions are setup |
| 18:01.45 | otyugh | (I guess I should use wireshark, but it's a headless server) |
| 18:01.50 | stoned | You can either format a partition or keep contents. |
| 18:02.02 | stoned | cluelessperson: please consult the debian install guide. |
| 18:02.04 | HicksD | cluelessperson: do you mean when using encryption? if so you can just cancel it |
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| 18:02.17 | HicksD | but it's not advisable unless you know the hdd is alredy full of random data |
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| 18:02.57 | HicksD | if you mean whilst partitioning, then see stoned's answer :) |
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| 18:03.21 | cluelessperson | HicksD, Ah. Because I'm overwriting a previously encrypted volume, lol |
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| 18:03.31 | zykotick9 | cluelessperson: it _is_ optional... it say something like "you can cancel/skip this step at expense of slightly less secure" |
| 18:03.48 | cluelessperson | zykotick9, Excellent. :) |
| 18:04.00 | cluelessperson | I don't want to cancel if it's going to bork entire installation |
| 18:04.17 | HicksD | cancel just cancels the wipe step |
| 18:04.20 | cluelessperson | yay |
| 18:04.23 | HicksD | think of it more as skip |
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| 18:04.39 | cluelessperson | HicksD, it should say "skip" ;) |
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| 18:12.53 | c0re_ | evening sirs |
| 18:12.56 | lemondom | hi |
| 18:13.05 | c0re_ | i'm encountering a little oddity right now |
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| 18:13.23 | c0re_ | somehow apt-get update tells me all my repos have unsigned GPG keys |
| 18:14.44 | jnoah | hello, I am an debian stable and would like to install python2.6 in a similar fashion to python3.4 (so I have python2.6). Is it possible? |
| 18:15.18 | greycat | jnoah: python 2.7 won't work? |
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| 18:15.46 | mernilio | Alan Hicks? I thougt you were a Slackware legend? |
| 18:16.05 | jnoah | there are some differences between 2.6 and 2.7 where I wouldn't be comfortable just letting the project run on 2.6 without verification first |
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| 18:16.39 | jnoah | greycat: so sadly, no |
| 18:17.36 | greycat | There isn't a python2.6 package in jessie, but there is one in wheezy. I don't know how difficult it would be to install the wheezy package on jessie. |
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| 18:17.58 | kryl | hi, I have problems with bluetooth k810 logitech keyboard. I can appair it without problems, but sometime it disconnect and I have to restart bluetooth ! I think there is a problem with the energy saver built-in of the keyboard. |
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| 18:20.12 | mernilio | Alan Hicks is a legend in the Slackware Sociaty.. I was supprised when i saw him here in the |
| 18:20.13 | jnoah | meh, i'll just keep https://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.html in mind while I write and spin up a vm to verify. thank you though |
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| 18:27.36 | mernilio | Nice.. jnoah but being a non developer you cant expect much respect. |
| 18:27.57 | woshty | How can I connect multiple pdf in Debian so they become one file? convert *.pdf out.pdf gives low grade quality. Is there something like pdftk in Debian? |
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| 18:28.27 | greycat | ,v pdftk |
| 18:28.28 | judd | Package: pdftk on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.41+dfsg-10+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.44-7; jessie: 2.02-2; stretch: 2.02-3; sid: 2.02-3 |
| 18:28.56 | greycat | Also, "apt-cache search pdftk". |
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| 18:29.47 | woshty | Ah, thx :/ |
| 18:30.03 | johnfg | I've got this that has crashed iceweasel the last few days: http://paste.debian.net/366019/ |
| 18:30.12 | mernilio | woshty: ur welkome! |
| 18:30.15 | johnfg | Any idea what's wrong and how to fix? |
| 18:30.45 | mernilio | What distro does RMS use? |
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| 18:31.40 | greycat | https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html |
| 18:31.44 | mernilio | I know he uses Lenovo laptop. |
| 18:31.45 | greycat | may or may not be up to date |
| 18:32.15 | mernilio | oki, thanks greycat |
| 18:32.37 | zykotick9 | mernilio: not sure how this is debian related... but RMS uses trisquel on a librebooted lenovo (so not really lenovo anymore). |
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| 18:33.17 | mernilio | zykotick9: not according to his own homepage. |
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| 18:33.48 | mernilio | Dont lie in my face! |
| 18:33.59 | zykotick9 | mernilio: ? got a link for that? i know some of the people that, look after his computer(s)... |
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| 18:34.32 | mernilio | https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html |
| 18:34.51 | mernilio | I just got that link, 2 minutes ago... :-P |
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| 18:35.45 | mernilio | But okay.. i know errors can occur in the internet! :-) |
| 18:35.46 | zykotick9 | mernilio: what the? my answer _is_ the first freakin' line?!?! |
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| 18:36.57 | stakewinner00 | these days iceweasel is just too slow... it only happens to me? (debian 8 testing) |
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| 18:37.17 | mernilio | zykotick9: Im not here to fight you.. maybe you are right. I dont thinks so but okay then. |
| 18:37.42 | greycat | Some site ("web apps") run way faster in chrome than in iceweasel/firefox, sadly. |
| 18:37.47 | greycat | sites* |
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| 18:38.37 | mernilio | zykotick9: I know you are wrong! But you seem like a nice person. Now leave it be! |
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| 18:38.48 | stakewinner00 | greycat, youtube normally works fine, some days ago when iceweasel crashed when i played some youtube video |
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| 18:39.54 | nhyk | Hello, just a noob question: If i upgrade the kernel to 4.3 from Backports, could there be Problems with the proprietary nvidia-driver, or does it "just work"? Sorry never done something like this before |
| 18:39.59 | mernilio | Do you guys have a girlfriend? |
| 18:40.11 | greycat | No, my wife wouldn't like that. |
| 18:40.30 | mernilio | a wife dont count! :-) |
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| 18:40.59 | mernilio | thanks for you input tho... :-P |
| 18:41.16 | stakewinner00 | mernilio, do you care about that? xD |
| 18:41.35 | greycat | I think he's quite young and assumes everyone else here is as young. |
| 18:41.40 | zykotick9 | mernilio: don't worry i'll drop this but "I use a Thinkpad X60 computer, in which the FSF installed a free initialization program (libreboot) and a free operating system (Trisquel GNU/Linux.)" <- isn't that pretty much exactly what i told you origionally? /me drops it... |
| 18:42.00 | mernilio | I do care.. because i have plans about getting a girlfriend in the future! |
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| 18:42.45 | mernilio | hopefully a linuxchick! :-) |
| 18:43.08 | zykotick9 | mernilio: sidenote, i'm 90% sure that's outdated, and he's got a X200 (with libreboot) these days... |
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| 18:43.39 | stakewinner00 | mernilio, i don't have girlfriend, because i don't want to get it, i prefer to find girlfriend "casually" |
| 18:44.03 | mernilio | zykotick9: Im sure you are almost right. |
| 18:44.12 | greycat | (He also assumes everyone else here is male and straight. But that's another set of issues.) |
| 18:45.03 | mernilio | greycat: Thats what i assume" :-P |
| 18:45.58 | algol | ive been having serious instability issues with both my ethernet and wireless; the problem seems to stem from the r8169 driver and debian not loading firmware for it |
| 18:46.11 | algol | i created a dmesg as well: http://pastebin.com/PJCLXrnE |
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| 18:46.41 | algol | im not too well versed with linux but from my research i havent been able to find a solution for this besides "get a different laptop'' |
| 18:46.41 | greycat | !r8169 |
| 18:46.41 | dpkg | r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver. |
| 18:47.27 | greycat | algol: your paste has 420. [ 0.864445] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded |
| 18:48.05 | algol | and also |
| 18:48.06 | algol | [ 38.912993] r8169 0000:02:00.0 eth0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw (-12) |
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| 18:48.25 | greycat | Ah yes, 360 lines farther down... |
| 18:49.34 | algol | sucks because i work online and when my connection drops i must restart what im working on, which is at times in the middle of 40-minute tasks |
| 18:49.38 | greycat | algol: if you're willing to use non-free software, try installing the package firmware-realtek |
| 18:49.46 | algol | worth a shot |
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| 18:50.11 | mernilio | algol: are you willing to do that? |
| 18:50.43 | mernilio | Its a big step? |
| 18:51.27 | mernilio | We have people here from NASA |
| 18:51.29 | algol | ive just reformatted after trying a kernel upgrade last night that left me without any internet at all, so it's no big deal |
| 18:51.48 | algol | and i reformatted this morning so im working out of a fresh reinstall of debian 8 jessie |
| 18:51.52 | mernilio | okidok |
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| 18:53.00 | DebianCurious700 | someone can help me with the configuration of pppoe ? :O |
| 18:53.11 | DebianCurious700 | I have it working fine but i would like make it hotplugable |
| 18:53.22 | tharkun | !ppoe |
| 18:53.30 | DebianCurious700 | xD |
| 18:53.34 | mernilio | The chairman of NSA is here and MR. secretary is here. Just for your sake algol. |
| 18:53.45 | algol | wipes sweat from forehead |
| 18:53.55 | mernilio | :-) |
| 18:54.01 | algol | just installed the realtek-firmware package; should i reboot? |
| 18:54.03 | DebianCurious700 | tharkun: If i pull down the cable would like ppp0 could be turned off as well when i put back the cable the ppp0 should go back up |
| 18:54.11 | DebianCurious700 | how i can achieve this ? |
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| 18:54.33 | tharkun | !pppoe |
| 18:54.33 | dpkg | Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet (PPPoE) is a network protocol for encapsulating <PPP> frames in Ethernet frames, frequently used in DSL connections. There are kernel-space and user-space PPPoE drivers available for Debian. To install Debian using a PPPoE connection, ask me about <pppoe install>. To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppoeconf && pppoeconf". http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 18:55.30 | mernilio | hm.. have we lost contact with algol? |
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| 18:55.38 | algol | nope im here |
| 18:55.45 | mernilio | okay! |
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| 18:57.21 | tharkun | DebianCurious700: The only time I installed pppoe was when our Router/Firewall died and it was more like solving an emergency than normal day operations. |
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| 18:59.37 | DebianCurious700 | tharkun: i see |
| 19:00.19 | tharkun | But the wiki link was my guide to pull it off. Nicely written and very concise. |
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| 19:01.37 | mernilio | Linux nerds is often not good at writing stuff, so in that matter, thank you! :-) |
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| 19:03.08 | mernilio | Its stupid. linux nerds have a big issue about code and intination... :-) |
| 19:03.49 | DebianCurious700 | tharkun: my configuration is the following, but i fear i'm missing something in order to have my pppoe being turned on automatically when pluggin and replugging http://paste.linux.chat/view/e2be265f |
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| 19:05.48 | mernilio | Me being a programmer. Just being intressded in the art of coding. |
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| 19:06.31 | mernilio | from assembly to C to whatever.. :-) |
| 19:07.02 | jim | I definitely have an issue with intonation... fretless players usually do... |
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| 19:07.46 | mernilio | I cant say im a real nerd, but i have done stuff |
| 19:08.36 | mernilio | Being in the kernel team once |
| 19:09.21 | jim | mernilio, so is there something more you want to do? |
| 19:09.54 | mernilio | no, that was a lie.. being in the kernel team is the cooles thing anyone can be in.. I wasnt there! :-) |
| 19:10.00 | Furai | Best ftp client on linux? |
| 19:10.35 | jim | ftp |
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| 19:11.07 | mernilio | Its a thing that programmers can aim for. To be in the kernel team! :-) |
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| 19:11.32 | jim | well I like ncftp too, it's linked against ncurses |
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| 19:12.35 | greycat | lftp |
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| 19:13.04 | greycat | Well, actually the best choice is not having to use FTP any more. |
| 19:13.04 | mernilio | Jim: Who are you? |
| 19:13.11 | greycat | But lftp is good if you have to. |
| 19:13.27 | jim | hoo hoo hoo hoo |
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| 19:15.12 | mernilio | You may sound like an asshole, but this is Internet, and Interpol is easy to look upp a guy like you. |
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| 19:16.18 | mernilio | Espesially child molesters they have a database! |
| 19:16.46 | greycat | mernilio: I don't know wehat you |
| 19:16.47 | jim | ooh database@!! |
| 19:16.58 | greycat | mernilio: I don't know what you're ranting about, but please try to keep it on topic. This is a Debian support channel. |
| 19:17.08 | pr0tocol | Nothing like walking into the debian channel and run into a sentence that contains the word "molester." |
| 19:17.21 | mernilio | You can run, but you cant hide! |
| 19:17.42 | rww | sighs |
| 19:17.52 | rww | mernilio: you know the drill, keep that stuff out of support channels |
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| 19:18.01 | pr0tocol | mernilio: how about we have a civilized discussion and not rant nonsensical diatribe |
| 19:18.11 | jim | mernilio, I just got curious, and inasmuch as you're here on #debian, I wondered if there was something you wanted |
| 19:18.14 | mernilio | rww, not towards you of course! :-) |
| 19:20.23 | mernilio | Greeat smoke! |
| 19:20.54 | jim | that I don't have :) |
| 19:21.05 | jim | sorry about that part |
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| 19:21.55 | mernilio | Chilll down. |
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| 19:23.46 | setuid | Why is upgrading from php 5.4 to 5.5 going to remove ALL of my LAMP install? |
| 19:24.04 | cluelessperson | Question, how to reset debian jessie's root password with physical access to machine? |
| 19:24.11 | cluelessperson | I'm looking at the GRUB edit options now |
| 19:24.18 | setuid | I need php 5.5 for Drupal and Wordpress (they no longer work with 5.4), and installing it wants to remove apache-mpm-prefork, which then removes about 400 other LAMP packages and modules I use |
| 19:24.34 | setuid | cluelessperson, Go into single-user mode and just reset it |
| 19:25.20 | pr0tocol | cluelessperson: are you using grub? |
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| 19:26.06 | cluelessperson | pr0tocol, yes, not sure how to do so |
| 19:26.36 | ralpheeee | am getting redraw issues with vlc and mpv....any suggestions? |
| 19:26.40 | cluelessperson | ah, that works |
| 19:27.14 | pr0tocol | cluelessperson: follow what setuid said and when you boot into grup, select "single user" |
| 19:27.33 | setuid | When it boots, run: mount -oremount,rw / |
| 19:27.40 | setuid | then / will be writeable, then use 'password root' |
| 19:27.44 | setuid | to change it to whateveryou need |
| 19:28.12 | pr0tocol | heh you saved me typing that. |
| 19:28.22 | cluelessperson | excellent. :) |
| 19:28.23 | pr0tocol | setuid: are you on jessie? |
| 19:28.30 | cluelessperson | how do you shutdown properly? |
| 19:28.37 | cluelessperson | heh |
| 19:28.52 | pr0tocol | cluelessperson: shutdown -h now is one method |
| 19:28.54 | setuid | pr0tocol, Yes |
| 19:29.00 | cluelessperson | pr0tocol, it's stuck |
| 19:29.05 | setuid | I'm just going to force the upgrade and see what breaks. If it breaks apache, I'll back down again. |
| 19:29.30 | setuid | I mean, accept the defaults, removing apache-mpm-prefork, and see what happens |
| 19:29.33 | pr0tocol | setuid: i'm on php 5.6 and haven't had anything break on me... |
| 19:29.47 | setuid | pr0tocol, You may not be running the prefork or threaded apache then |
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| 19:29.55 | setuid | I need the high-performance apache versions |
| 19:30.03 | setuid | You probably don't |
| 19:30.10 | pr0tocol | setuid: that, sir, you're absolutely right onw |
| 19:30.11 | pr0tocol | on* |
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| 19:30.41 | mernilio | Being a drug user. Dont ever let your kids use drugs. I know it sounds stupid but you dont want your little girl to be in prostistution. |
| 19:30.54 | greycat | mernilio: Get it back on topic or you will be silenced. |
| 19:31.31 | mernilio | Okay, i just wanted to say something real and worty! |
| 19:32.58 | mernilio | But okay! Be carful about things you give to your kids... |
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| 19:33.57 | mernilio | Ecpept from a Glock 9 millimeter. |
| 19:34.18 | mernilio | Everybodys favorite gun! :-) |
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| 19:34.43 | markybob | finally |
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| 19:35.15 | setuid | There's always one, at least once an hour |
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| 19:37.43 | setuid | ugh |
| 19:37.44 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.52 | setuid | I removed the offending file, but it still claims to be there |
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| 19:40.06 | greycat | setuid: you'd have to remove the package that the file came from |
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| 19:40.23 | setuid | What an absolute nightmare Debian package upgrades havebecome |
| 19:40.35 | setuid | greycat, can't, because it complains of the same exact file being present (it isn't) |
| 19:40.43 | cluelessperson | Question, how to install gnome without the bloat? |
| 19:41.00 | greycat | You can always --force remove a package (though that may leave the system unusable in the worst cases). |
| 19:41.07 | setuid | aptitude seems to have solved it |
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| 19:42.05 | setuid | We'll see if apache works after this, it really did some ugly surgery on LAMP, pulled about 200 packages, installed about 400 others, need to see what the delta of damage is |
| 19:42.17 | setuid | Looks like my afternoon is going to be debian package/triage hell |
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| 19:43.38 | setuid | Yep, looks like to get php5, you need to remove mpm-prefork, which removes ALL apache modules, replaces the mpm-prefork with 'apach2' package, which contains NO modules and is incompatible with everything LAMP. |
| 19:43.41 | setuid | sigh |
| 19:43.50 | setuid | That's a grave diversion |
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| 19:54.59 | setuid | Totally botched apache packages in the latest Jessie |
| 19:55.02 | setuid | ugh |
| 19:55.15 | setuid | apache2: Syntax error on line 246 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:02.10 | setuid | yarg |
| 20:02.11 | setuid | # /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 20:02.11 | setuid | No apache MPM package installed |
| 20:03.35 | lemondom | hi |
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| 20:07.28 | zerodrama | is there a list of laptops that support hevc x265 acceleration 1920x1200 and linux |
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| 20:07.55 | zerodrama | also are nvidia or ati/amd better for this |
| 20:08.03 | dontknow | zerodrama, no |
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| 20:09.19 | dontknow | zerodrama, i don't think any x265 hw. accel. supported on gnu/linux |
| 20:09.26 | dontknow | yet |
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| 20:11.37 | zerodrama | dontknow: does x264 accel work on x265 format |
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| 20:12.07 | dontknow | zerodrama, i have no idea |
| 20:12.12 | zerodrama | i have 1080p videos that choke on vlc and ffplay |
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| 20:12.59 | dontknow | there is x264 aceel tough |
| 20:14.20 | dontknow | i can play 1080p with integrated intel gpu accelerated using vaapi |
| 20:15.13 | cluelessperson | How do you install gnome without all the extra software? |
| 20:15.24 | cluelessperson | I don't want libreoffice as an example |
| 20:15.27 | cluelessperson | or transmission |
| 20:15.31 | dontknow | cluelessperson, install gnome-shell |
| 20:16.25 | awal1 | I have asked here several times for a ncurses/console based online radio player and I just realized that 'moc', witch app I use since 1 year at least, (with ^u option), plays online radio just fine! Now extra gtk+ gui apps, no vlc, no mplyaer needed :P |
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| 20:16.50 | setuid | this has gone from bad to a disaster |
| 20:16.54 | greycat | mplayer also runs fine in a terminal... just sayin' |
| 20:16.59 | awal1 | now no extra... needed ^:P |
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| 20:21.08 | awal1 | greycat, right. but I like the moc way; for me, moc is the greatest, simplest, lightest and complete console music player . no extra configs needed, it includes several themes and have a rich/main front-end (mocp) |
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| 20:22.36 | KiNG1 | lol @ su -> rm -rf / && reboot |
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| 20:23.10 | ruehrkuchen | failed |
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| 20:31.51 | setuid | oy vey, so mod_macro is no longer compatible with Apache, the package it works with |
| 20:32.15 | greycat | Someone tried to upgrade to apache 2.4, I take it. Sorry to hear that. |
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| 20:34.19 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys my audio output is only mono how i can enable stereo |
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| 20:34.28 | SOUL_OF_R00T | on gnome says stereo output |
| 20:34.38 | SOUL_OF_R00T | but on amizer only mono is available |
| 20:34.40 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ? |
| 20:34.52 | SOUL_OF_R00T | any help are appreciated |
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| 20:36.14 | anddam | I shut down my debian box, I removed the rtc battery to change it, I couldn't find a new one, I put it back, restarted and now when I shutdown the system it doesn't turn off on its own |
| 20:36.38 | anddam | it proceeds with the shutdown procedure and it ends with "systemd-shutdown[1]: Failed to finalize DM devices, ignoring" |
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| 20:37.06 | anddam | a) why is this? b) how do I fix this, is this a matter of ACPI or something like that? |
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| 20:38.02 | markybob | anddam, probably since the bios got reset. go into bios and check for acpi options |
| 20:38.15 | anddam | it's UEFI but I get the point |
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| 20:38.31 | anddam | markybob: but after that the kernel is halted, right? |
| 20:38.36 | anddam | I can power off the system |
| 20:39.04 | anddam | the whole thing started because I was getting the UEFI shell rather than grub bootloader |
| 20:39.30 | anddam | I was told it was the battery even if the mobo is 1yo and the clock didn't lose the time |
| 20:39.49 | anddam | also AFAICT UEFI stores its settings in nvram, so the battery doesn't matter |
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| 20:41.53 | anddam | markybob: mm I don't see an option for that |
| 20:42.08 | anddam | it's an Intel Visual BIOS |
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| 20:46.58 | SOUL_OF_R00T | my speaker-test runs only in one channel any can help? |
| 20:47.49 | jhutchins | SOUL_OF_R00T: Have you completely eliminated hardware? |
| 20:47.51 | setuid | greycat, Nope, php 5.4 to php 5.5 |
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| 20:47.58 | setuid | which ripped out all of apache and required me replacing it |
| 20:48.02 | setuid | I was already running 2.4 |
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| 20:48.11 | SOUL_OF_R00T | jhutchins, is a fresh install |
| 20:48.31 | SOUL_OF_R00T | the boar is detected right but only mono apear on amixer |
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| 20:49.44 | greycat | ,v php5-fpm |
| 20:49.45 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.17+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.17+dfsg-3 |
| 20:50.06 | greycat | setuid: that sounds horrible. Why not just jump all the way up to jessie? |
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| 21:08.27 | linuxuser123 | hello |
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| 21:09.53 | linuxuser123 | I have kali linux and I would like to enter to tor, however when I open it, it freezes in "loading network status" and when I copy logs it says "disablenetwork is set" how do I fix this? |
| 21:10.13 | towo` | go to the right channel and ask there |
| 21:10.22 | markybob | !kali |
| 21:10.23 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 21:11.03 | linuxuser123 | that sucks, but thank you for telling me :v |
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| 21:11.23 | Stummi | what sucks? Having to join another channel? |
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| 21:12.53 | A1maff | Hi |
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| 21:13.29 | MY123 | sorry for the IRC client instablity :-) |
| 21:13.55 | A1maff | text snippets |
| 21:14.05 | A1maff | I want a program to do this. |
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| 21:15.13 | nbg | Hi. I'm running debian on a OpenVZ instance. the preinstalled version is debian stable with kernel version 3.16. Now, since I cannot upgrade the kernel, would you say it's advisable to upgrade to testing? Or could it be problematic to run testing with the 3.16 version? |
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| 21:16.10 | petn-randall | nbg: testing should run fine on 3.16, but I wouldn't recommend running a Debian pre-release on a server that's reachable over the internet. |
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| 21:17.39 | nbg | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 21:18.29 | linuxuser123 | it sucks that nobody respond on any other channel except this one and nobody here can help me.. :V |
| 21:18.39 | nbg | it's just a server that I'm running for my own purposes, git repositories, an XMPP server, syncthing instance etc., would you still advise against running testing? |
| 21:19.08 | nbg | I've heard of people running ArchLinux on their servers, so⦠|
| 21:19.26 | A1maff | Ø |
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| 21:41.42 | engys | hi, i disabled the compositor so everything is tearfree except iceweasels fullscreen html5 videos playback .. any suggestions? |
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| 21:43.35 | quique | I have installed jessie on a asus nx500, which as a samsung ssd (Samsung XP941 512GB AHCI M.2 80mm PCIe 2.0 x4 SSD - MZHPU512HCGL) and it is extremely slow (high wa time) for anything that reads or writes to disk. I believe it is related to the problems with discard/TRIM issue referenced on the debian ssd optimization wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization) but I'm not sure. My two questions: 1. how might I test if the problem is the trim issue? |
| 21:43.35 | quique | 2. If it is where do I report it? |
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| 21:47.10 | LudaWeb01 | Hello |
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| 21:48.15 | valdy | hello |
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| 21:51.29 | engys | ok, simple solution .. I will use chromium instead of iceweasel |
| 21:51.54 | valdy | lol |
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| 21:55.39 | menace | hi, can symlinks on executables be run in postinst files? i have built a debian package and want to run an executable which i call via its symlink.. but it is not executed on installation or update of the package... |
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| 21:56.21 | greycat | Have the postinst script run in "set -x" mode with stderr redirected to a log file. |
| 21:56.34 | greycat | Also beware of set -e traps. |
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| 22:02.01 | menace | i can even run postinst afterwards on the command line with set -xv and it just does not run that command. |
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| 22:02.21 | greycat | then the script has an error somewhere |
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| 22:02.30 | greycat | the set -x output should help you figure out where |
| 22:02.32 | greycat | the -v is useless |
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| 22:12.21 | menace | i out-commented /usr/share/debconf/confmodule now it works? |
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| 22:12.49 | menace | but i need that for db_get... :/ |
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| 22:21.27 | kion | I am trying to run the preferences on xiphos and I found an old bug reported, it said it was fixed but it is not, how do I report it? this was the original bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770713 |
| 22:21.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/770713 in xiphos (closed): «xiphos: Preferences not working»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-23; last modified: 2015-12-10. |
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| 22:22.42 | kion | judd, Yes I read it was closed but I am running Jessie stable and it has the same problem reported back then |
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| 22:24.23 | ruehrkuchen | kion: judd is a bot :P |
| 22:24.49 | kion | ruehrkuchen, lol, oops my bad... |
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| 22:25.47 | ruehrkuchen | kion: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting.en.html |
| 22:25.54 | cluelessperson | I've installed debian with KDE and connecting wlan to work, I don't get internet |
| 22:26.02 | cluelessperson | ping google.com unreachable |
| 22:26.08 | cluelessperson | sudo ifconfig shows an ip address |
| 22:26.32 | ruehrkuchen | cluelessperson: is the DNS correct? |
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| 22:26.44 | cluelessperson | ruehrkuchen, how do I check? |
| 22:27.10 | ruehrkuchen | in KDE? umm |
| 22:27.12 | cluelessperson | ruehrkuchen, I'm guessing not. I should be able to dig "earth" (the dns / dhcp server on our network) |
| 22:27.21 | cluelessperson | ruehrkuchen, I was having the issue with gnome as well |
| 22:27.22 | kion | ruehrkuchen, Thanks! |
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| 22:28.02 | Talltree | can, and how do i enable the sid repo on jessie? |
| 22:28.20 | ruehrkuchen | cluelessperson: are you using dhcp? |
| 22:28.53 | cluelessperson | ruehrkuchen, yes |
| 22:28.56 | cluelessperson | and I do have an ip |
| 22:29.52 | ruehrkuchen | cluelessperson: if you don't manage the dhcp server, ask your administrator to check the dhcp server, it doesn't might send the clients the correct dns server |
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| 22:30.02 | ruehrkuchen | cluelessperson: try to add the correct dns server manually and test again |
| 22:30.55 | ruehrkuchen | do you have a nameserver entry in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 22:31.05 | ruehrkuchen | " cat /etc/resolf.conf " (without quotes) |
| 22:31.20 | ruehrkuchen | * " cat /etc/resolv.conf" (without quotes) |
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| 22:32.20 | sebboh | On sid, should I have lines for security.debian.org in my apt sources? |
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| 22:32.44 | ruehrkuchen | cluelessperson: also check "nm-tool" and make sure you got the correct dns server |
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| 22:33.13 | ruehrkuchen | sebboh: no, sid is always up-to-date, but with unstable and maybe broken packages |
| 22:35.27 | ruehrkuchen | kion: you're welcome :) |
| 22:36.40 | sebboh | ok, thanks! |
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| 22:37.28 | cluelessperson | ruehrkuchen, I'd prefer to not install things like that, is there another command? |
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| 22:38.11 | sebboh | cluelessperson: does editing /etc/resolv.conf do what you want? |
| 22:38.24 | Jsync | I am having problems with Nvidia. I removed the card & now I can't get Gnome3 to start |
| 22:38.35 | ruehrkuchen | cluelessperson: afaik, no |
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| 22:40.26 | awal1 | IHow many important is 'popularity-contest' for debian release? |
| 22:40.45 | awal1 | I always have it disabled and I wonder if I should enable it... |
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| 22:41.33 | sebboh | awal1: see http://popcon.debian.org to see what you would contribute to if you enable it. |
| 22:42.03 | sebboh | Of course, doesn't it only work for hosts that have working outgoing mail? None of mine do... |
| 22:42.51 | sebboh | cluelessperson: nm-tool seems to be part of the package network-manager. AFAIK, there is nothing that network-manager can do that some other non-gui tools can't do. |
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| 22:45.51 | AndyDee | im looking a commandline ftp that acts just like the windows command line one so the custom script files i made will only need paths changed when i convert them over to linux, anyone know a good ftp command line client to choose? |
| 22:46.29 | ruehrkuchen | AndyDee: "ftp" |
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| 22:46.49 | osmc | hi |
| 22:47.08 | AndyDee | im on raspberry pi and ftp seems to not give me anything on the command, that was what i wanted to know, what apt-get install do i need to get this 'ftp' command kicking in? |
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| 22:48.00 | Lime__ | AndyDee: sudo apt-get install ftp |
| 22:48.03 | osmc | is there a way to rescale alsamixers? My Main volume mixer is at 81%, increasing it further hurts the quality. To prevent this I want to make 81% -> 100% so I cannot increase it over 81. Setting a maximum value would also work. Is this possible? |
| 22:48.18 | stoned | you need an ftp client on your raspi or an ftpd? |
| 22:48.20 | AndyDee | perfect |
| 22:48.42 | ruehrkuchen | AndyDee: apt-get install ftp-ssl -- for secured ftp, if needed |
| 22:48.45 | AndyDee | and this one will act just like the windows one? |
| 22:48.46 | stoned | and try to not use ftp. Try scp for file transfer, or maybe sftp |
| 22:49.17 | menace | wow, cdbs really does some serious shit for its debconfstuff... |
| 22:49.19 | Jsync | I'm curious, do I want to remove Nvidia drivers? |
| 22:49.29 | ruehrkuchen | AndyDee: it should be, yes |
| 22:49.34 | menace | and the sophos programs are weird, too, i think |
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| 22:49.46 | Lime__ | AndyDee:vrsync is more powerful, I'd consider migrating butI don't know your uuse case |
| 22:49.55 | Lime__ | *rsync |
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| 22:50.01 | stoned | Nouveau driver can't run my setup, so I use nvidia driver. If you don't particularly need nvidia driver, use novaue driver |
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| 22:50.29 | Jsync | stoned, I removed my video card & now Gnome3 won't start |
| 22:51.12 | zophy | during the initial debian installation is there a log kept of the choices made ? |
| 22:51.18 | stoned | it needs a $DISPLAY to connect to, and w/o a video card, X probably isn't starting so there is no local display |
| 22:51.55 | stoned | Jsync: why did you remvoe the video card? you can't run gnome locally w/o a local video card able to start an X server |
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| 22:52.34 | Jsync | stoned, I'm using the internal card. It ran Gnome3 before just fine. I put the video card in a separate machine |
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| 22:52.52 | Lime__ | Jsync: does 'X --configure' help at all |
| 22:52.57 | stoned | Jsync: what chipse is the video card, and waht chipset is the onboard video? |
| 22:53.20 | Jsync | Lime__ what do you mean? |
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| 22:53.51 | Jsync | stoned, I am not sure about the onboard. It ran Gnome3, though it didn't use Nvidia drivers |
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| 22:54.04 | stoned | Jsync: you just need to unload the prevoius video driver module, laod the new one for onboad, and tell xorg.conf a simple device section and use the proper dirver |
| 22:54.19 | stoned | Jsync: intel cpu? |
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| 22:54.31 | Jsync | yeah, intel. |
| 22:54.51 | stoned | ok, so load the intel video driver and blacklist the nvidia driver |
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| 22:55.19 | Jsync | can I just uninstall nvidia? |
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| 22:55.35 | stoned | sure |
| 22:55.36 | sebboh | Jsync: I would. |
| 22:55.39 | Jsync | would that put the video back to the basic? |
| 22:55.52 | Lime__ | Jsync: I would |
| 22:55.52 | Jsync | so, apt-get remove nvidia? |
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| 22:56.04 | morf | Jsync: just uninstall nvidia (apt-get purge nvidia*) ... nouveau will be used |
| 22:56.06 | Jsync | apt-get remove nvidia* |
| 22:56.07 | stoned | on stable, apt-get --purge remove nvidia-driver |
| 22:56.27 | Lime__ | Jsync apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* |
| 22:56.35 | morf | lol like everybody knows how to remove nvidia crap :)) |
| 22:56.46 | morf | that's saying some clear message |
| 22:56.49 | Lime__ | chuckles |
| 22:57.09 | AndyDee | ruehrkuchen : Thanks, Lime__ : Don't think i need anymore than this |
| 22:57.24 | stoned | nvidia has better multigpu support and multihead supprort |
| 22:57.27 | Lime__ | use open source unless you absoluetly have too ;) |
| 22:57.29 | stoned | twinview > xinerama |
| 22:57.37 | stoned | and 3d accel is far superior in performance |
| 22:57.43 | ruehrkuchen | AndyDee: you're welcome |
| 22:57.50 | stoned | depends on what one needs to do |
| 22:57.56 | Jsync | I'm going to restart. I'll come back & tell you if it worked. Thanks for the help. :) |
| 22:57.59 | morf | yeah nvidia has so great multiple gpu support |
| 22:58.08 | Lime__ | good luck |
| 22:58.14 | ruehrkuchen | gets popcorn |
| 22:58.17 | morf | you must run everything on intel and if you want speed use optirun |
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| 22:58.27 | stoned | I have 3gpu and 6 monitors. No free driver has been able to run it w/o lag. Nvidia does. |
| 22:58.33 | Lime__ | fries a haggis |
| 22:58.52 | ruehrkuchen | hates nvidia |
| 22:58.59 | morf | if you use native nvidia with optimus bs technology you can't even have on monitor portrait and second landscape |
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| 22:59.26 | stoned | http://stoned.io/debian-8.2-09-01-2016-1-xmonad.png |
| 22:59.32 | stoned | I don't know what optimus is, but I mix modes. |
| 22:59.43 | Lime__ | good reason too, I have one 40" 4k Monitor, I eft the wall o' monitors cub |
| 22:59.46 | morf | optimus is you have 2 gpus intel & nvidia |
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| 22:59.56 | stoned | Oh |
| 22:59.56 | morf | and it suppose to switch automatically somehow |
| 23:00.01 | stoned | Ihave nothign onboard |
| 23:00.02 | ruehrkuchen | stoned: looks cool, what DE is it? |
| 23:00.08 | stoned | OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.2-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3774.986 MHz)-Processes: 235-Uptime: 2d 5h -Users: 11-Load Average: 0.46-Memory Usage: 2307.86MB/8002.51MB (-146.75%)-Disk Usage: 3407.32GB/3734.40GB (91.24%) |
| 23:00.12 | stoned | That is Xmoand |
| 23:00.29 | stoned | No DE. I don't use DE. Just XDM and normal config files |
| 23:00.42 | Lime__ | looks like awesomeWM |
| 23:00.44 | ruehrkuchen | looks great :) |
| 23:00.45 | morf | lol :) |
| 23:01.04 | ruehrkuchen | good work for your desktop :) |
| 23:01.10 | stoned | ty |
| 23:01.15 | stoned | I find it to be quite productive |
| 23:01.18 | morf | well next time i'm just buying 4k at least 1m size |
| 23:01.25 | morf | screw multiple monitors |
| 23:01.30 | AndyDee | Lime__ I must backup files when server is ready to close down for the day and staff have to get away before they are cought with new customers after the 6pm mark, so the plan is to make the backup process goto the net so no one has to stand around waiting on the usb/backup to take away from the location etc etc. So the server sends the Pi the data first, then the server shuts down and the Pi stays on and continues to upload the data to ft |
| 23:01.30 | AndyDee | p server then shuts down its self. |
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| 23:02.02 | stoned | I want 4x4k 60" in a 2x2 physical layout config on the wall, all angled inwards slightlyabout 4" off the ground |
| 23:02.06 | stoned | :) |
| 23:02.10 | stoned | at least 60" |
| 23:02.26 | ruehrkuchen | cries, she only have one 4k adapter :( |
| 23:02.29 | stoned | 4' sorry. feet. |
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| 23:04.12 | ruehrkuchen | i have to go, see you later :) |
| 23:04.46 | Lime__ | AndyDee: rsync can do meta changes of files, so if only 20% of a file has changed, it only uploads that part... saves a lot of a Pis CPUs cycles |
| 23:06.38 | Lime__ | stoned: that's going to take a lot of graphical horsepower to drive that.... |
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| 23:07.24 | stoned | Yup |
| 23:07.35 | stoned | one day I shall have that setup maybe. Or maybe not. |
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| 23:08.39 | ruehrkuchen | stoned: take a photo if it's done :P |
| 23:08.40 | Lime__ | I don't think my ceiling is that high in my apartment |
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| 23:09.37 | stoned | I think I'm going to have to install amarok b/c I can't seem to find a way in mocp to browse by genere or any other tag |
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| 23:09.49 | stoned | ok I will |
| 23:09.52 | kryl | someone know an easy socks proxy tool ? |
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| 23:11.37 | stoned | ruehrkuchen: http://i.imgur.com/ARKvHhA.png current setup (I have since got furniture but no new pic) |
| 23:11.46 | Lime__ | stoned: have you tried clementine? |
| 23:11.47 | beepie | kryl, proxy tool for what? |
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| 23:11.58 | stoned | I dunno what it is |
| 23:12.07 | ruehrkuchen | stoned: lol, nice setup, like it |
| 23:12.24 | stoned | oh music player |
| 23:12.28 | stoned | I'm checking it |
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| 23:13.20 | Lime__ | i use it, open source, in the repositories |
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| 23:13.26 | stoned | ok I'm trying it now |
| 23:13.27 | ruehrkuchen | i like the size of your left monitor, haha ... or have the left and right one the same size? |
| 23:13.37 | sheap | has anyone had apt client errors where apt writes all zeroes to the corresponding /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ file for a certain repo's Packages file? |
| 23:13.43 | stoned | If it can play directly from google music (not just drive) then I can save 30gb of ssd spcae |
| 23:14.03 | zykotick9 | sheap: you should keep ubuntu issues in #ubuntu... |
| 23:14.28 | sheap | oh right, debian uses yum |
| 23:14.28 | Lime__ | never mind then... |
| 23:14.29 | sheap | my bad |
| 23:14.33 | Lime__ | ? |
| 23:14.34 | kryl | beepie, for scanning :-) |
| 23:14.41 | ruehrkuchen | sheap: no |
| 23:14.47 | Lime__ | holds head in hands |
| 23:14.50 | beepie | kryl, still doesn't make sense. |
| 23:15.06 | ruehrkuchen | stoned: ^ did you read my message? |
| 23:15.13 | Lime__ | ubuntu is built on debian |
| 23:15.36 | kryl | beepie, seriously I want to relay tcp/udp connection. |
| 23:15.41 | AndyDee | how does one get the --help for 'ftp' |
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| 23:15.49 | Lime__ | they freeze the debian code every 6 months and add their bloat.... |
| 23:15.54 | ruehrkuchen | AndyDee: run ftp, then type help in |
| 23:16.05 | Lime__ | AndyDee: man ftp |
| 23:16.20 | stoned | ruehrkuchen: yes, 2x Vizio 60" e601-a3 somethig |
| 23:16.22 | Lime__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.30 | AndyDee | i'm trying to make ftp load my file that contains all the commands |
| 23:16.41 | beepie | kryl, if you want to relay tcp/udp connections, then you buy a router. |
| 23:16.42 | ruehrkuchen | stoned: looks amazing ... okay, i should stop dreaming now :D |
| 23:16.46 | beepie | kryl, that's what routers do. |
| 23:16.59 | kryl | beepie, thank you |
| 23:17.04 | beepie | kryl, still your question does not make sense |
| 23:17.20 | beepie | kryl, a proxy for what? there are different proxy protocols for different purposes |
| 23:17.29 | kion | how can I install xiphos 4.0 instead of 3.2, even trying with backports I get 3.2 |
| 23:17.41 | beepie | kryl, basic routing is not proxying. |
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| 23:18.01 | beepie | kryl, just fyi.. seems to me you need to study how computer networks work |
| 23:18.24 | kryl | beepie, teach me |
| 23:18.25 | Lime__ | kryl: look up pfsense |
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| 23:19.11 | beepie | kryl, i can't feed you.. this is a volunteer support channel for #debian, you might want to try #networking |
| 23:20.11 | kryl | beepie, I'll go if you try #friendly |
| 23:20.18 | sheap | please route all your support requests to #ubuntu |
| 23:20.31 | Lime__ | a debian based router in theory, with correct config could be excellent |
| 23:20.45 | kryl | Lime__, I think I'll try to use vpn but thank you |
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| 23:21.54 | beepie | kryl, if you don't know the difference between basic tasks routers do and "proxies" then you're only going to be ignored by the majority. |
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| 23:22.03 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, what's the proper way to add a service to init runleves, 2, 3 4 5 and 6 ? |
| 23:22.04 | dimitry7 | thanks |
| 23:22.09 | beepie | kryl, there's much theory on basics that you need to know before thinking about "proxying" |
| 23:22.32 | beepie | kryl, only you can challenge yourself to learn as much as you need to, so then you can understand the next level of routing |
| 23:22.54 | kryl | beepie, please I was playing with you don't be boring. that's enough remember we are on #debian |
| 23:23.11 | beepie | kryl, well you can fuck off because I'm not playing your game. |
| 23:23.35 | kryl | beepie, :-) too late |
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| 23:24.19 | dimitry7 | don't argue guys |
| 23:24.27 | dimitry7 | hehe |
| 23:24.54 | Lime__ | don't feed the trolls |
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| 23:28.13 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: <sidenote only> 1) jessie+ mainly uses systemd 2) debian has never had much as far as different runlevel support, it's almost seemed binary to me ON or OFF 3) back in the day i just used rcconf to enable disable stuff, but wasn't really adding my own service (which i guess you are?). best of luck. |
| 23:28.30 | AndyDee | aww yes I must make a perl script and bash up something to make it all happen and stuff |
| 23:28.38 | dimitry7 | i did update-rc.d spamassassin defaults |
| 23:28.50 | dimitry7 | and returned no outout but didnt work |
| 23:28.54 | dimitry7 | * output |
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| 23:32.27 | cluelessperson | it seems to me that network manager isn't setting dns properly? |
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| 23:33.50 | Somelauw | What is the best way to install a font on Debian. The documentation says, just copy this to /usr/share/fonts/ but is there not a cleaner way of installing instead of just copy pasting to system directories? |
| 23:33.52 | markybob | cluelessperson, change it. right-click networkmanager applet, select connection, click edit, click ipv4 settings, under "method" select automatic (dhcp) addresses only. that'll enable the dns servers line for you to manually set |
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| 23:34.14 | beepie | !tell Somelauw about font |
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| 23:34.26 | Somelauw | specifically I want the Code2000 font, because it supposedly has all characters in it |
| 23:34.53 | DebianCurious500 | My pppoe even if configured for reconnect is not reconnecting someone can tell me why? XD i have to manual ifconfig eth0 up, and then pon dsl-provider |
| 23:34.59 | DebianCurious500 | why this :\ |
| 23:35.09 | DebianCurious500 | can't just restart by itself' |
| 23:35.37 | beepie | Somelauw, i'd put anything custom non-package in /usr/local/share/fonts , but then that means adding that path if necessary to xorg.conf |
| 23:35.53 | beepie | Somelauw, anything in /usr/local is not touched by packages |
| 23:36.39 | markybob | Somelauw, do you mean U+2000? that's in fonts-sil-gentium |
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| 23:36.58 | Somelauw | beepie: that bot told me I can just put it in ~/.fonts. |
| 23:36.59 | markybob | Somelauw, just apt-get install fonts-sil-gentium |
| 23:37.21 | Somelauw | markybob: this one I guess http://www.fonts2u.com/code2000.font |
| 23:37.35 | beepie | Somelauw, y, and also /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts/ << problem is this factoid imho should not mention non-packaged additions other than /usr/local |
| 23:37.55 | beepie | Somelauw, it's easy to remember that everything in /usr/local is from you, and that is a location you have full control over |
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| 23:38.57 | Somelauw | I followed those instructions but the font choosing dialog of lxterminal can't find it. |
| 23:39.28 | markybob | Somelauw, did you restart x? |
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| 23:39.57 | beepie | Somelauw, some font tarballs come with subdirectories, i suppose you can try the fc-cache command in ~/.fonts, or merely make sure that .ttf resides directly under ~/.fonts |
| 23:39.59 | Somelauw | markybob: no, then I lose this IRC as well |
| 23:40.12 | markybob | Somelauw, you need to so it refreshes the fonts |
| 23:40.21 | Somelauw | I did fc-cache -fc as they told me |
| 23:40.27 | beepie | Somelauw, shouldn't need to restart x (unless you're using an xorg.conf file) |
| 23:40.30 | markybob | Somelauw, yes. still need to restart x |
| 23:41.10 | beepie | Somelauw, fc-list shows what fonts are now avail on the desktop |
| 23:41.47 | Somelauw | fc-list found it at least |
| 23:42.13 | Somelauw | but maybe x graphical dialogues have their own cache |
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| 23:45.36 | beepie | Somelauw, could be that lxterminal is not compatible with it |
| 23:46.37 | beepie | Somelauw, easiest, is of course to restart the lxterminal app, or relogin to your desktop (X never needs to be restarted because this is a user-font addition) |
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| 23:49.11 | Somelauw | I restarted X and it did find Code2000 |
| 23:49.31 | Somelauw | Unfurtunately it does not have symbol 0x1F47D |
| 23:49.45 | Somelauw | And it is not so nice for terminal, because it's not so monospaced |
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| 23:50.45 | Tordek | hi |
| 23:51.04 | Tordek | ifupdown is currently unupdatable because it conflicts with systemd |
| 23:51.14 | Tordek | but if I uninstall it, I boot without internet |
| 23:51.22 | Tordek | what should I be using instead? |
| 23:51.25 | pinnerup | ð½ |
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| 23:52.02 | Tordek | (I have to manually call dhcpcd eth0 to do it) |
| 23:52.30 | Tordek | "do it" being "enable internet". I'm typing awfully today. |
| 23:54.19 | zykotick9 | Tordek: a better place to ask testing/sid questions is #debian-next on OFTC... good luck. example 492 why i don't use testing ;) |
| 23:54.41 | Tordek | lol, well, thanks! |
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| 23:56.26 | engys | this tearing problem with disabled compositor I mentioned earlier is also visible in totem .. maybe that is the reason why iceweasel is getting tearing problems while playing html5 fullscreen videos? |
| 23:57.12 | AndyDee | Debians, how does one backup the whole SDCard (My Drive) correctly so there is always a good fall back image, for writing back onto the SDCard to boot my System again if ever need at a later date? |
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| 23:57.57 | AndyDee | winimg32? |
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| 23:58.59 | AndyDee | win32 disk imager? anything like this on linux? |
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