| 00:00.01 | markybob | !win32diskmanager |
| 00:00.10 | engys | AndyDee, maybe dd can do this for you? |
| 00:00.14 | markybob | c'mon dpkg |
| 00:00.23 | zykotick9 | AndyDee: i don't know winimg32, but on gnu/linux there is: dd, cp, cat that could probably make an exact copy of something... |
| 00:00.24 | markybob | !win32diskimager |
| 00:00.25 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 00:04.38 | KellerFuchs | Hi |
| 00:05.14 | KellerFuchs | Is there a way to make dpkg reapply all file permissions as set in packages (or dpkg-statsoverride if used) ? |
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| 00:05.49 | stoned | KellerFuchs: dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 00:06.24 | stoned | KellerFuchs: or maybe apt-get install --reinstall (not sure if that does) or you can always purge everything and install it over again. |
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| 00:06.40 | stoned | KellerFuchs: apt-get --purge remove something; apt-get install something; |
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| 00:07.23 | stoned | backup your configs of coure first |
| 00:08.02 | KellerFuchs | stoned: Since I'm looking at basically all packages that have files in /etc, purging and reinstalling isn't too doable unfortunately |
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| 00:08.47 | KellerFuchs | (Trying to fix an old automation fuckup, not super-fun but eh) |
| 00:09.07 | bazhang | ,v etckeeper |
| 00:09.08 | judd | Package: etckeeper on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.48; wheezy: 0.63; jessie: 1.15; stretch: 1.18.1; sid: 1.18.2-1 |
| 00:09.19 | engys | KellerFuchs, lol reinstall system ;-) |
| 00:10.27 | themill | KellerFuchs: "aptitude reinstall ~i" would be the blunt approach |
| 00:10.28 | KellerFuchs | bazhang: That's with etckeeper (more precisely, misuse of etckeeper) that the fuckup happened |
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| 00:11.12 | KellerFuchs | engys: It's a production system, I would rather not wipe it and redo from scratch. |
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| 00:11.20 | KellerFuchs | themill: Might work, let me think |
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| 00:12.33 | truegff | Hi! May I ask a question here? |
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| 00:13.18 | engys | KellerFuchs, I feel your pain and I am lucky that I am not in your situation! |
| 00:13.25 | KellerFuchs | themill: I think I'm just going to run that on one of the servers, and push the etckeeper config change to the others |
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| 00:14.07 | KellerFuchs | engys: Oh, the thing is not at a âit's on fire, fix it yesterdayâ stage, so it's not too bad: I can actually think it through first |
| 00:14.10 | KellerFuchs | :P |
| 00:14.11 | themill | KellerFuchs: I've never seen etckeeper used for deployment btw. |
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| 00:14.50 | KellerFuchs | Also, I fixed all the automation, so it's âjustâ a matter of getting the right permissions again in the /etc repository |
| 00:14.55 | themill | KellerFuchs: I assume there are host-specific things (like sshd keys) that you're keeping out of etckeeper? |
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| 00:15.46 | KellerFuchs | themill: Yep |
| 00:16.02 | KellerFuchs | themill: The automation is used for hashbang.sh, if you are curious |
| 00:16.53 | engys | KellerFuchs, ah ok -> you know I am one of these guys who has a backup of a backup |
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| 00:18.40 | KellerFuchs | engys: Likewise, and the config is stored in (append-only) git. Unfortunately, in this case, the fuckup happened months ago (before I joined the sysadmin team for #!), and had been saving bad permissions in etckeeper for months |
| 00:18.55 | KellerFuchs | So I cannot quite rollback months of activity :V |
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| 00:20.32 | KellerFuchs | themill: nope, aptitude reinstall doesn't cut it |
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| 00:22.47 | themill | KellerFuchs: yeah, that will be dpkg's conffile handling not clobbering local changes, I guess. |
| 00:23.12 | KellerFuchs | themill: Thought so too |
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| 00:23.27 | KellerFuchs | themill: I guess I get to parse /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 00:25.50 | themill | well things are all root:root unless set otherwise in the maintainer scripts; a starting point would be to grep for chown install and dpkg-statoverride in the postinsts to work out a package list that needs attention |
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| 00:26.04 | themill | and chmod. |
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| 00:26.52 | themill | Oh, except for statically allocated uids. |
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| 00:29.40 | truegff | Hi All! May I ask a question here? |
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| 00:30.03 | engys | no |
| 00:30.09 | morf | yes |
| 00:30.12 | engys | =) |
| 00:30.13 | truegff | where can I, then? |
| 00:30.20 | morf | he's trolling you |
| 00:30.24 | engys | ^ |
| 00:30.38 | truegff | Ok. I just installed Debian 8.2 jessie. |
| 00:31.03 | truegff | Noticed strange behavior. Just not expected it to be so. |
| 00:31.37 | truegff | Using File->Quit command in random apps causes my Debian user to log out. Is it a bug or a feature? |
| 00:31.54 | morf | lol |
| 00:31.56 | truegff | Please help with advice. |
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| 00:32.14 | morf | truegff: that's not right for sure... |
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| 00:32.26 | markybob | not everything i've ever seen |
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| 00:32.39 | markybob | anything* |
| 00:32.49 | morf | something* |
| 00:32.51 | morf | ;) |
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| 00:33.59 | truegff | how can I investigate it? |
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| 00:34.52 | truegff | It's hard to use the system with a behavior like this. |
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| 00:36.58 | truegff | I noticed it gitk application first. Went to their channel (#git), they sent me here. |
| 00:37.09 | truegff | *in |
| 00:37.47 | engys | truegff, are you sure your system has no hardware problems? |
| 00:39.04 | wlan2 | I'm trying to compile an apparently dead project called qtau, and getting a file not found error about qaudiobuffer, any idea where could I find that qaudiobuffer? |
| 00:39.12 | truegff | Well, the fan is spinning, from what I can tell. Just installed 64 bit version of the os, 32 bit one with PAE used to work like charm. |
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| 00:41.20 | axc1298 | does anyone know how i can edit my sudoers file with visudo? when i do sudo visudo -f /etc/sudoers it opens in nano |
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| 00:41.40 | truegff | Maybe someone who has gitk on their amd64 Jessie can try reproducing. |
| 00:41.55 | Jsync | I got my graphics fixed. removing Nvidia drivers worked. I had to back everything up while I could just in case, though it's working. Thanks for those that helped |
| 00:41.57 | markybob | wlan2, my guess is you need qtmultimedia5-dev |
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| 00:42.37 | wlan2 | I'm trying to compile an apparently dead project markybob, let me see... |
| 00:42.57 | markybob | wlan2, i know. i read. apt-get install qtmultimedia5-dev should take care of that compilation error |
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| 00:43.33 | wlan2 | markybob: sorry, I'm aquaitaing myself to a new irc client. |
| 00:43.56 | truegff | engys, how can I investigate the chain of actions? From button click to logout? |
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| 00:46.05 | wlan2 | markybob: no, qtcreator still gives me the same file or directory not found error. |
| 00:46.18 | markybob | wlan2, plastebin the whole thing |
| 00:47.08 | engys | truegff, what are you using gnome3? kde, xfce something else? |
| 00:47.16 | wlan2 | markybob: I'm using a graphical interface, not make, I don't find "the whole thing", just the error. |
| 00:48.09 | markybob | wlan2, don't know how to help you, then. sorry. |
| 00:49.45 | wlan2 | paste.debian.net/366090 |
| 00:49.51 | truegff | engys, this session is using gnome3, had installed all of the desktop environments except kde for evaluation. Lately kept mate and gnome3, purged the rest. |
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| 00:51.16 | wlan2 | markybob: sorry for the lame excuse, just found how to get some output out of qtcreator, http://paste.debian.net/366090 |
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| 00:51.42 | markybob | wlan2, apt says that should do it. https://paste.debian.net/366091/ you might have to pass the path through ./configure if it has the option |
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| 00:52.25 | markybob | wlan2, is it maybe a qt4 app, since it's no longer supported? |
| 00:52.50 | Circuitsoft | Hello - I'm trying to set up an NFS server, but wireshark keeps shwoing me "V2 GETPORT Reply PROGRAM_NOT_AVAILABLE" |
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| 00:53.41 | wlan2 | markybob: Last git commit is from summer 2013, and I think I read it's qt5 in the readme, let me re-read. |
| 00:53.42 | cyan__ | do You know how to backup one laptop disc? |
| 00:54.03 | cyan__ | doing something like dd to entire disc? |
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| 00:54.34 | Born2Pizza | debian is too hard to use |
| 00:54.45 | wlan2 | cyan__: where is your destination? |
| 00:54.45 | markybob | Born2Pizza, cool. use something else. |
| 00:54.54 | morf | born2troll |
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| 00:55.07 | markybob | cyan__, i use rsync |
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| 00:55.29 | engys | truegff, I know on arch I put something into the keyboard shortcuts to shoot down my X11 server like in the old days with ctrl + alt + backspace ... but I can not remember what? |
| 00:55.36 | cyan__ | markybob: ok it's enough thank you |
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| 00:56.12 | cyan__ | after reading stallman website, i feel that i must do something with my linux |
| 00:56.26 | cyan__ | and start thinking about some things |
| 00:57.05 | cyan__ | so first i am thinking about desactivating facebook |
| 00:57.22 | cyan__ | i installed lynx |
| 00:57.56 | truegff | engys, I use only the mouse when that happens. So I believe keyboard shortcuts are not the case. |
| 00:58.04 | cyan__ | but when i start to build something on my own, backups would be needed |
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| 01:01.40 | engys | truegff, if you get this behaviour while exiting every program I would reinstall the system .. but before you do this check the installation image twice with md5sum |
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| 01:05.48 | wlan2 | markybob: do you think #qt is a place where I can ask how to tell qtcreator where the file is and expect and answer? |
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| 01:06.56 | markybob | wlan2, it's a better place than here. i don't even user qt. was just trying from what apt told me |
| 01:07.05 | markybob | use* |
| 01:07.48 | wlan2 | markybob: thanks, and farewell, maybe we shall meet again. |
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| 01:10.44 | wvlf | im having a problem with debian/wicd/openvpn, in order to change networks and keep a working connection, i have to "systemctl stop openvpn" then change wifi network, then "systemctl start openvpn" |
| 01:10.48 | wvlf | otherwise i have no network connect if i change wifi networks without stopping openvpn first |
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| 01:13.53 | engys | .. and yes tearing video in totem and iceweasel is a real problem .. I should write a bug report .. |
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| 01:21.18 | truegff | engys, tried to narrow the problem domain here. Noticed that starting the gitk& |
| 01:21.44 | truegff | engys, with the ampersand character following the executable name. |
| 01:22.23 | truegff | engys, somehow fixes the problem. File->Quit doesn't trigger logout in that case. |
| 01:22.27 | andril | hello |
| 01:22.49 | andril | can anyone help with a Debian samaba setup? |
| 01:23.31 | truegff | engys, may It be the int value returned by the process on exit somehow instruct the OS to end session? |
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| 01:23.58 | markybob | truegff, on jessie i find that amazing |
| 01:24.20 | engys | truegff does killall gitk will help you? |
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| 01:26.32 | zophy | hi |
| 01:26.34 | zophy | what happens if i do a dist-upgrade from testing to testing ? |
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| 01:27.14 | markybob | zophy, i upgrades packages and removes any if they conflict with upgrades |
| 01:27.22 | engys | andril, what is your problem? |
| 01:27.25 | markybob | zophy, that's over simplistic...but mostly |
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| 01:31.45 | zophy | markybob, when i dist-upgraded from wheezy to jesse it didn't switch over to systemd |
| 01:31.45 | zophy | i'm investigating the most painless way to switch to systemd |
| 01:32.07 | markybob | zophy, you said testing to testing. |
| 01:32.15 | markybob | zophy, totally just changed things on me |
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| 01:34.23 | truegff | engys, I'm fine here, actually. With quit working or not system is still usable. Thanks for help and your time. Probably the case is too rare. Will do reinstall with just one desktop environment eventually. |
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| 01:35.59 | andril | engys, just trying to do a samba server on my new debian install - need noob steps |
| 01:36.14 | engys | truegff ok hope you know that & means that the application will run in background |
| 01:36.34 | markybob | andril, https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/debian-samba-server/ |
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| 01:38.54 | zophy | markybob, i don't know why systemd wasn't activated, maybe it was my choice at some point, |
| 01:40.11 | zophy | if there's no known breakage about that dist-upgrade i did months ago.. i'll go ahead and attempt to activate systemd now |
| 01:40.23 | ksx4system | what was the name of Debian branding images (grub and lightdm backgrounds) package? |
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| 01:44.14 | engys | andril looks like markybobs link show everything you need |
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| 01:44.49 | andril | ok engys i will give it a try and thanks markybob |
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| 01:45.58 | AndyDee | why am i doing <<EOF ftp stuff here EOF |
| 01:46.13 | AndyDee | passing a file in to the ftp kinda? |
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| 01:48.07 | KellerFuchs | themill: I did the horrible and parsed /var/lib/dpkg/info to get the list of affected packages, then parsed the output of dpkg -c and generated a script, that I inspected manually before running |
| 01:48.13 | AndyDee | ftp -n -v $HOST <<EOT ascii user $USER etc etc EOT |
| 01:48.13 | KellerFuchs | Yes, code generation in shell :> |
| 01:48.45 | AndyDee | thats very cool |
| 01:48.46 | AndChat|736049 | Hi can someone point me in the right direction of connecting to a wireless network without dhcpcd? Just done a fresh install and it's not installed for some reason... |
| 01:49.24 | AndChat|736049 | Even a static USB tether would be good |
| 01:49.29 | AndyDee | so that is how linux does it where as in windows i had to use switch with ftp.exe to open the file with all the commands in it first. |
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| 01:57.04 | truegff | engys, markybob, It seems the fact that I was using 'Gnome on Wayland' variant of Gnome, contributed or caused the problem. After switching to the good old plain X variant of Gnome (after being logged out Nth time) issue dissolved and never reappeared so far. Hope this info will help you somehow. Sorry for probably bringing a testing discussion in this room (not sure if wayland has reached its 1.0 version release). |
| 01:57.50 | markybob | truegff, good to know |
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| 02:06.22 | engys | truegff never thought that wayland will create such strange behaviour because it is already version 1.9 .. ok in jessie maybe 1.6 |
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| 02:08.39 | Jsync | Alright, I uninstalled Nvidia drivers & suddenly I do not have sound. :( |
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| 02:09.17 | Jsync | It might be from when I tried to install IDJC, though the sound didn't quit until after I uninstalled the NVIDIA drivers |
| 02:09.57 | Jsync | (I didn't have enough machine to do my graphics & sound, so I split the task to 2 machines & moved my video card to the second machine) |
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| 02:14.31 | Wildefyri | Wow I can't believe how hard this is to connect to the Internet after such an easy install |
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| 02:20.56 | markybob | Wildefyri, all depends. i'm assuming you didn't use the firmware installer and your problem is wifi? |
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| 02:22.26 | Wildefyri | Well I am just trying to set up a basic ethernet connection using USB tethering |
| 02:22.44 | Wildefyri | But dhcpcd doesn't come installed? |
| 02:22.58 | Wildefyri | Welp |
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| 02:25.12 | Wildefyri | I did use the net install but the Wifi card is an ath9k one so it should be supported really |
| 02:25.48 | Wildefyri | Unless you don't bake your kernel with it compiled? |
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| 02:27.01 | markybob | Wildefyri, it's supported. you should install dhcpcd5 |
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| 02:27.53 | Wildefyri | Well I can't because I can't get any connection without it being installed! |
| 02:28.09 | Wildefyri | A chicken and egg problem here. |
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| 02:28.53 | zykotick9 | regularily installs from netinst selecting only the "System Tools"-like-titled-tasksel and always has dhcp support after? Wildefyri are you using root account to look for that executable, and did you "su -"? |
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| 02:29.20 | zykotick9 | Wildefyri: ifconfig work? |
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| 02:29.37 | Wildefyri | Yes I am authed as root |
| 02:30.00 | zykotick9 | Wildefyri: but did you log in as root, or "su", and if you used su did you use "su -"? |
| 02:30.26 | zykotick9 | Wildefyri: does ifconfig work? it's a test for your path. |
| 02:30.33 | Wildefyri | Logged on |
| 02:30.44 | zykotick9 | ok, then path should be ok... |
| 02:31.17 | Wildefyri | Yeah ifconfig is on my path |
| 02:31.47 | Wildefyri | Been trying to use ip though to setup a static connection but no luck |
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| 02:33.02 | zykotick9 | Wildefyri: i don't understand how you could have installed without the ifupdown package <- that's where dhcp support comes from... best of luck though :) |
| 02:33.03 | Wildefyri | Ifconfig doesn't show the USB connection surprsingly |
| 02:33.20 | Wildefyri | zy |
| 02:33.26 | Wildefyri | Well |
| 02:33.35 | Wildefyri | Net inst |
| 02:33.57 | Wildefyri | And no desktop environment selected to be installed |
| 02:34.14 | Wildefyri | And so dhcpcd isn't included? |
| 02:34.26 | Wildefyri | What retardation |
| 02:35.11 | canvon | 03:33:03 < Wildefyri> Ifconfig doesn't show the USB connection surprsingly <- have you tried "ifconfig -a"? |
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| 02:35.59 | zinx | Wildefyri: try piping the output through sed -e 's/$/!!/' |
| 02:36.03 | zykotick9 | Wildefyri: ahhh have you tried "dhclient" |
| 02:36.31 | Wildefyri | Yeah I can't work out if it's the same |
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| 02:37.08 | Wildefyri | However that just exits with no broadcast interfaces foumd |
| 02:37.43 | Wildefyri | Even though usb0 is set up and there is even wlan0 recognised |
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| 02:38.51 | zykotick9 | Wildefyri: you should consult some documentation about setting up your /etc/network/interfaces file for your particular setup... i think you have all the requirements to get working networking (_IF_ you have a free wifi that doesn't require firmware, if it needs firmware then you may have an issue). best of luck! |
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| 02:39.27 | Wildefyri | This is ridiculous though |
| 02:39.46 | Wildefyri | I fucking hate networking |
| 02:40.15 | Wildefyri | I've tried many destroy before |
| 02:40.29 | Wildefyri | And it's never a pain to stick in my USB tethering |
| 02:40.38 | Wildefyri | Run dhcpcd |
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| 02:40.52 | Wildefyri | ip link set interface up |
| 02:40.58 | Wildefyri | Boom connection |
| 02:41.07 | Wildefyri | Distros* |
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| 02:44.55 | truegff | :q |
| 02:45.06 | engys | I thought time stand still but it turns out something really happens -> https://developer.nvidia.com/engaging-voyage-vulkan |
| 02:45.29 | engys | oh i will love to see directx crying |
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| 02:55.03 | cjen2837 | hi.how can i get my system to use the usb webcam i plugged in instead of the built in laptop webcam? |
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| 02:59.33 | beepie | http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ |
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| 03:17.11 | AndyDee | Takes a long time to make a 4gig image of an SDCard over usb 1.1 |
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| 03:19.34 | self | should I be able to uninstall systemd from jessie? |
| 03:19.37 | beepie | there are also different grades of sdcards, some are cheap and some are golden |
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| 03:19.44 | beepie | self, systemd is good |
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| 03:20.28 | self | ok, should I be able to uninstall it from jessie? |
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| 03:22.29 | zykotick9 | self: i don't know the details, but "shim" is in the name. you can't completly remove systemd from jessie, but you don't have to use it as an init system... good luck. as a user, i'm personally good with systemd... |
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| 03:23.42 | self | zykotick9: wait, you may be able to help -- the message i'm getting is specifically that it cannot be removed because it is the active system but i didn't find information on how to define which system is the currently active system |
| 03:24.25 | zykotick9 | self: sorry i don't know the details, but i know "a part" of systemd is required to use jessie... but there is a way to disable the init side of it. |
| 03:24.46 | self | ok thanks for the hint |
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| 03:26.37 | self | does anyone know how to define the currently active init system? |
| 03:27.29 | zykotick9 | self: the package i was thinking of was systemd-shim BTW... see "apt-cache show systemd-shim" and see if it's of interest, i think it is. i think your swimming upstream trying to avoid systemd however ;) |
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| 03:28.53 | self | trying that now... |
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| 03:31.04 | GRiNReaPer | hello |
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| 03:31.51 | self | brb |
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| 03:35.05 | self | i had to kill init and now /proc/1/status shows its name is init instead of systemd |
| 03:35.21 | self | and... i could uninstall systemd |
| 03:36.37 | BackEndCoder | if you uninstalled systemd |
| 03:36.41 | BackEndCoder | surely it wouldn't boot again |
| 03:36.55 | self | well dude, how do you think i killed init? |
| 03:36.57 | self | anyway |
| 03:37.01 | BackEndCoder | :) |
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| 03:37.24 | self | i'm still puzzled by systemd-shim, i thought systemd was a "drop-in" replacement for systemv |
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| 03:37.50 | BackEndCoder | the name shim does make it seem like that doesn't it |
| 03:38.06 | self | i'm so out of the loop i still have no idea why this stuff is so good, i know for sure i don't need it though |
| 03:38.27 | self | idk what shim means maybe i missed it |
| 03:38.30 | AndyDee | beepie what brand would you get if it was an SDCard used as the main linux hd0 |
| 03:38.40 | BackEndCoder | This package emulates the systemd function that are required to run the systemd helpers without using the init service |
| 03:38.44 | BackEndCoder | it would seem your right |
| 03:39.18 | self | fuck it -- i don't like that story |
| 03:39.53 | BackEndCoder | shim, afaik, is something you put in to bodge that last 1mm of space you didn't expect to be there |
| 03:40.00 | BackEndCoder | like shimmying a door |
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| 03:40.14 | self | i need to have the last word on this and don't need systemd helpers |
| 03:40.18 | BackEndCoder | would be like pushing on it a bit while turning the key |
| 03:40.40 | self | right |
| 03:40.48 | BackEndCoder | sorry, not the info you want |
| 03:41.16 | self | yeah i was actually installing dict to find out |
| 03:41.30 | self | i'm officially linux-tarded |
| 03:41.42 | self | selinux, cgroups, systemd, dbus |
| 03:41.51 | self | i know nothing about any of them |
| 03:42.53 | BackEndCoder | yeah to be honest, thats important stuff i don't touch |
| 03:44.51 | self | funny though because i remember a long time ago before selinux and crypto fs made it in the kernel i was patching all the time to have grsecurity and cryptofs functionality |
| 03:45.17 | self | i just never really needed to touch the other stuff but it's the kind of stuff i usually enjoy toying with |
| 03:45.30 | self | less IRC more linux |
| 03:45.32 | self | see ya |
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| 03:46.43 | beepie | AndyDee, i'm guessing whatever you want, i think there's "classes", eg, "class 10" for higher performacne sdcards |
| 03:46.53 | beepie | AndyDee, not sure of the numerals, but there are class numbers |
| 03:47.08 | beepie | AndyDee, and of course the speed is also limtted by the connected controller/usb/etc.. |
| 03:47.44 | beepie | AndyDee, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_class_rating |
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| 03:52.12 | mernilio | Hi all! :-) |
| 03:52.43 | mernilio | And thanks for letting me in! |
| 03:53.26 | mernilio | Sometimes mernilio gets drunk... ;-) |
| 03:53.50 | mernilio | you know how it is. |
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| 04:04.56 | mernilio | I dont support alcoholism. To be honest i think Linus himself have that sickness. He sometimes gets all crazy and writes rants. That is very common for drugabusers. Irrational behaviour. I dont however know Linux. I might be wrong. |
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| 04:06.50 | mernilio | His wife is a six grade black belt karate champion .. so hopefulle she can keep him on the mat. :-) |
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| 04:08.14 | mernilio | Does anyone hear me? Just say hi! |
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| 04:09.54 | brokesys | Hi! |
| 04:10.15 | mernilio | Thanks brokesys :-) |
| 04:10.25 | brokesys | ;) |
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| 04:11.04 | mernilio | I thoght my injternet connection was flawed. :-) |
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| 04:13.59 | brokesys | I'm pretty sure there are more people :) |
| 04:15.08 | mernilio | No, there are no people here but you and me brokesys. |
| 04:16.05 | brokesys | It's obvious, Friday |
| 04:16.15 | mernilio | How we can build up a new world with gay-fuck ... i dont know? :-) |
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| 04:16.50 | mernilio | sorry, i was thinking of dna .. :-) |
| 04:17.15 | mernilio | That was uncalled for. I appology! |
| 04:18.16 | brokesys | Hahaha so your are taking shots with Linus |
| 04:18.49 | mernilio | Yeah.. im taking shots with Linux :-) |
| 04:20.51 | beepie | "<mernilio> How we can build up a new world with gay-fuck ... i dont know? :-)" |
| 04:21.22 | beepie | !ops mernilio hate-speech |
| 04:21.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: beepie complains about: mernilio hate-speech |
| 04:22.04 | mernilio | Why is that hate-speach? |
| 04:22.33 | mernilio | I support gay-right! |
| 04:22.55 | mernilio | somewhat... :-) |
| 04:26.27 | mernilio | O man.. now i have bad mouthed linus and have an issue with the gay community... :-) |
| 04:27.09 | mernilio | How worse can it get? |
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| 04:29.38 | mernilio | I can say i like Bill O'reilly |
| 04:30.18 | tharkun | mernilio: Shut up and call your lawyer. |
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| 04:31.01 | mernilio | I know he is an asshole, but he is also pro-gay marriage and for abortion. That is strange for a right wing dude. |
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| 04:31.37 | tharkun | There is a #defocus channel. More apropiate for the kind of talk we will have. Care to join? |
| 04:31.46 | uncmar | Hello |
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| 04:32.16 | tharkun | uncmar: Aloha :) |
| 04:32.32 | uncmar | I'm installing via USB. I have a CLI only. Rebooted. Atempted to install other things via apt-get. It asks for the CD. |
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| 04:32.41 | uncmar | I put the USB back in and that doesn't help. |
| 04:33.17 | mernilio | Hi unmar! :-) |
| 04:33.21 | uncmar | the USB shows up as /dev/sdb under fdisk -l How do I properly mount this install media? |
| 04:34.08 | mernilio | I think tharkun is the guy to ask! |
| 04:34.10 | tharkun | uncmar: /etc/apt/sources.list has the lists of sources your install will be searching. Comment the cdrom ones and use the http/ftp ones you have. |
| 04:34.11 | uncmar | I attempted: mount /dev/sdb2 /media/cdrom That only gave me the /efi/boot directories. |
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| 04:34.42 | uncmar | tharkun: not an option. Proper network drivers not currently installed. |
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| 04:35.21 | tharkun | uncmar: mount /media/usb usually does the trick. |
| 04:35.34 | mernilio | Im banned from defucus... :-P |
| 04:36.15 | uncmar | Okay, I'll try that next. I think I was originally too smart for my own good. I directly mounted /dev/usb2 |
| 04:36.32 | tharkun | mernilio: Oh, sorry, look for an offtopic channel that is willing to accept that kind of talk and let me know. I will gladly join for a good conversation. |
| 04:37.06 | tharkun | uncmar: usbb2 implies that you have more that one usb connected to your piece of hw |
| 04:38.23 | uncmar | It didn't say usb2. I saw 2 partitions under /dev. As sdb1 and sdb2. The second was listed as some sort of FAT partition. So I mounted it. |
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| 04:41.45 | FXpro | hmmm |
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| 05:07.23 | uncmar | Thank you. That worked... well close enough. mount /dev/sdb /media/cdrom |
| 05:08.54 | mernilio | One thing about debian .. where are the woman? I support free software, but where is the ladies? |
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| 05:10.47 | mernilio | In computing there has been lots of astonishing female programmers. Dame Grace hopper who named the word _bug_ <-- it was an actuall bug :-) |
| 05:12.01 | mernilio | And she who wrote Biff .. i dont rembember her name, but biff whas her dog at MIT. |
| 05:14.13 | mernilio | Heidi Stettner <--- |
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| 05:19.28 | mernilio | During WW2 we had a lot of extremly clever females in our troops. They won the war! |
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| 05:23.44 | themill | mernilio: you've been asked more than once. |
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| 05:29.15 | uncmar | Look who's back. Back again. :D |
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| 05:29.57 | uncmar | So how do I go about getting rt2860.bin. |
| 05:31.18 | themill | ,file rt2860.bin |
| 05:31.22 | judd | Search for rt2860.bin in jessie/amd64: firmware-ralink: lib/firmware/rt2860.bin |
| 05:31.41 | themill | uncmar: it's in that package which is in non-free |
| 05:32.04 | themill | uncmar: which debian release? |
| 05:32.39 | themill | (it's in firmware-misc-nonfree from stretch onwards) |
| 05:32.47 | uncmar | themill: it is a network driver. I'm aware that it is non-free. Configuring sources.list without network is a moot point so... gotta find the FILES! |
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| 05:36.56 | themill | which debian release? |
| 05:36.57 | uncmar | okay, I got it. |
| 05:37.21 | uncmar | okay, maybe not. Dang it. |
| 05:37.24 | armin | i try to understand this bit here: |
| 05:37.25 | armin | Aside from the growing strength of the community, we have seen significant progress towards init freedom in Devuan and the approaching beta release. Important init freedom issues have been solved, and security issues will soon come into focus with an eye on the beta release for critical security updates. We are calling for volunteers on this, so feel free to discuss this on the mailing list. |
| 05:37.28 | uncmar | Um, jessie i386. |
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| 05:37.57 | armin | so, basically, it seems like we still use security.debian.org as a repository right now? |
| 05:38.21 | armin | is this like the status quo that i just need to accept? |
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| 05:40.13 | uncmar | themill: jessie |
| 05:40.21 | digidog | does any one knwo if deb-multimedia.org is still vague or untrusted repo source, (just remember that some time ago it has been suggeted to not use this repo no more) |
| 05:40.23 | uncmar | themill: jessie i386 |
| 05:40.46 | themill | uncmar: so did you download the firmware-ralink package (using some other machine or some other operating system) |
| 05:41.17 | digidog | sry for my typo -> knwo/know suggeted/suggested |
| 05:41.22 | themill | digidog: deb-multimedia has little use and poor quality packages |
| 05:41.41 | themill | armin: I have no idea what problem that is pretending esists |
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| 05:41.47 | themill | x |
| 05:42.44 | uncmar | themill: sure. |
| 05:42.55 | digidog | themill: hi! :) thanks for your fast reply. would you mind to tell me how this *poor* is indicated? |
| 05:43.42 | x032cx | uncmar:point your browser to "https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages" and you might find your package |
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| 05:45.07 | themill | digidog: exceedingly dodgy licensing, frequent file conflicts with other packages and they make other packages crash in nasty and hard to debug ways |
| 05:46.02 | uncmar | x032cx: what good does it do me to have a list of files that I can't figure out how to download? |
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| 05:46.57 | uncmar | Found it. |
| 05:47.00 | digidog | themill: got it. thank you for some insight. it was just some lazyness asking that, because that means I have to compile avidemux from source :-P but never mind, better building from source then installing doubtful packages right? ;-) |
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| 05:49.55 | digidog | themill: I didn't used the repos exactly for that reason, but not because of knowing but because of guessing ... again: thanks for your time and advice, and BTW: it's not too late for a HAPPY NEW YEAR! to all :) |
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| 05:51.11 | CQ | hi, my apt "Reading package lists" step is taking ages... any suggestions? Ive cleaned out /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt/lists already, no improvement. This happened right after an upgrade to jessie |
| 05:51.23 | CQ | ages = 30 minutes or so, it used to be a minute max |
| 05:51.56 | digidog | CQ: pastbin of sources.list ? |
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| 05:53.18 | CQ | http://paste.debian.net/366104/ |
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| 05:54.10 | CQ | the update etc. works fine, it's the package database setp afterwards. My HD is writing around 1-1.5 MB/sec during that step... |
| 05:55.02 | digidog | CQ: can you pause for another test the repos from line 13-16 ? |
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| 06:00.11 | CQ | sure... |
| 06:01.52 | CQ | Setting up dctrl-tools (2.23) ... ... this is taking a long time too with the 1MB HDD writing... SMART shows no problems with the drive |
| 06:02.11 | CQ | want me to clear the cache and lists again? |
| 06:03.21 | digidog | CQ: hm, that sounds strange ... maybe no related, but try to use the us server for testing. like this: http://pastebin.com/gxu5dUYY |
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| 06:05.28 | CQ | with the sources.d stuff commented out it took the same time. Trying US mirrors now |
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| 06:05.54 | CQ | also slow. It's after the Get: stuff, it's the local package processing whatever it does there. |
| 06:06.46 | digidog | CQ: ok, and you are sure that your fs is not corrupted in any way? do you use a seperate / root and /usr/ partition |
| 06:07.01 | CQ | http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/archives/521 ... maybe try this |
| 06:07.04 | CQ | http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/archives/521 |
| 06:07.19 | digidog | reading ... |
| 06:07.27 | CQ | root and usr are on teh same partition |
| 06:07.30 | CQ | hoem is separate |
| 06:07.32 | CQ | home |
| 06:08.12 | CQ | maybe I should try rebooting... could be somethign with pm-suspend as well that something didn't wake up right |
| 06:08.25 | CQ | trying sync-avaliable now.... |
| 06:08.36 | CQ | back in 10 mins, I'll let it finish |
| 06:08.38 | digidog | CQ: how much RAM do you have? |
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| 06:08.54 | digidog | CQ: Running sync-available will recreate and thus defragment the |
| 06:08.55 | digidog | available file, but that does not usually have a great effect. |
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| 06:09.56 | CQ | 16GB, barely used. 8GB Swap, not used: Mem: 15G 2.5G 13G 283M 270M 1.0G |
| 06:10.16 | digidog | CQ: k |
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| 06:11.30 | digidog | CQ: try rebooting. maybe sth hangs indeed |
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| 06:16.49 | digidog | does anyone know why python proccesses are running here 3 times at a time and make my cpu temperature run up sometimes too much? It seems like that some apps which need python make it is start but it wont stop after that no more, even if the app is quit already. |
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| 06:21.13 | digidog | maybe this issue are related to my python process question, links: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32551405/python-shell-high-cpu-usage | https://github.com/Bitmessage/PyBitmessage/issues/183 | http://superuser.com/questions/679679/how-to-increase-pythons-cpu-usage |
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| 06:24.43 | digidog | checking synaptic for installed python packages |
| 06:25.03 | CQ | I'll try the reboot... a few of the comments I read in other threads referred to HD problems, and the pm-suspend didn |
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| 06:25.18 | CQ | left the fans running, so somethign isn't quire right. |
| 06:25.29 | digidog | CQ: thats what I meant with fs corrupted -> HD |
| 06:25.36 | CQ | sync-available is taking a while too |
| 06:25.55 | CQ | guess I'll see if it fscks ona reboot |
| 06:26.09 | CQ | ...or if it doesn't, reboot again and force |
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| 06:34.35 | digidog | themill: wow chatstats has catched us fast! :) -> http://ragingcomputer.net/chatstats/freenode_debian.html |
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| 07:53.51 | Lope | debian apt-repos offer various servers: vsftpd, twoftpd, pure-ftpd, ftpd ? |
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| 08:03.39 | nkuttler | Lope: yes |
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| 08:04.23 | Lope | Which do you recommend for something simple to configure and secure? |
| 08:05.36 | Lope | anyone tried vsftpd? it seems like the users need to login as local users, not that great. |
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| 08:13.55 | shifty | what programs are guaranteed available in a base Debian install, specifically versions of AWK (awk|mawk|gawk) and compression utils? (gzip|bzip2|xz) |
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| 08:22.02 | nkuttler | Lope: man sftp-server |
| 08:22.11 | nkuttler | shifty: why are you asking? |
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| 08:22.31 | Jsync | can somebody help me fix my sound? |
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| 08:23.03 | nkuttler | Jsync: how is it broken? |
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| 08:26.13 | Jsync | nkuttler, I had to uninstall NVIDIA so I could move my video card to a separate machine. I was going to use this one for music streaming |
| 08:26.37 | Jsync | I tried to get Jack Server working, though that didn't break the sound. After Nvidia was gone, not a peep. |
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| 08:30.11 | nkuttler | Jsync: um, why use jack at all? just makes things more complex |
| 08:30.41 | nkuttler | also not sure why you mean by nvidia, there are many packages |
| 08:30.55 | nkuttler | (or how it's sound-related at all) |
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| 08:33.00 | Jsync | nkuttler, I am not sure, though the Nvidia driver affected sound. HDMI somehow? |
| 08:33.03 | Jsync | Not sure |
| 08:33.18 | Jsync | I was just trying to get IDJC installed. That's why I went with Jack |
| 08:33.31 | Jsync | I am friends with the Mixxx guy though, so I am not sure |
| 08:33.48 | Jsync | He says, "Pulse". I suggest, "get Mixxx working". ^.^ |
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| 08:34.05 | nkuttler | i'd start by simple getting alsa to work |
| 08:34.09 | nkuttler | simply |
| 08:34.32 | Jsync | Yeah, how do I do that? |
| 08:34.53 | nkuttler | Jsync: output of aplay -l ? |
| 08:35.34 | Jsync | aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found... |
| 08:35.46 | nkuttler | there you go |
| 08:35.56 | nkuttler | do you *have* a sound card? |
| 08:36.12 | Jsync | Yeah, it's an intel internal sound card |
| 08:36.12 | nkuttler | i guess there probably are nvidia cards with embedded audio |
| 08:36.27 | nkuttler | Jsync: anything audio-related in lspci |
| 08:37.09 | Jsync | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
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| 08:38.59 | nkuttler | Jsync: lsmod | grep i82975x_edac |
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| 08:44.27 | Jsync | ok, what's that do? |
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| 08:47.49 | Jsync | ok nkuttler |
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| 08:51.36 | nkuttler | Jsync: it seems like several people had success with blacklisting that module |
| 08:51.49 | nkuttler | Jsync: if you do a research for your card + linux |
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| 08:53.04 | Jsync | nkuttler, blacklisting which module? |
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| 08:54.33 | nkuttler | Jsync: i82975x_edac |
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| 08:55.38 | poffs | How do I use udnp to announce to a generic router that I am opening port 22 (or whatever I am using for SSH) on my laptop? |
| 08:55.54 | poffs | Port forwarding / dmz is not an option. need to use udnp. |
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| 09:03.15 | lotus | Hey, I get choppy sound in my usb headphones sometimes. I've googled this and up'd my default sample rate to 48000 as well as set load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0 -- however, I still get the choppy sound. Any thoughts? |
| 09:05.20 | jim | are you playing sounds that are at that same sample rate? |
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| 09:05.36 | lotus | I might be? I'm in a game in steam and trying to watch a youtube video |
| 09:05.50 | lotus | I'm not sure, to be honest. Trying to follow guides |
| 09:05.53 | Guest96412 | Hi, I'm new and I would like to contribute, can someone get me started? |
| 09:05.56 | jim | at the same time? :) |
| 09:06.01 | lotus | yes |
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| 09:06.20 | nkuttler | Guest96412: how can you contribute? |
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| 09:06.24 | jim | Guest96412, what would you like to do? |
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| 09:06.39 | nkuttler | lotus: with pulse? |
| 09:07.17 | lotus | nkuttler: yes |
| 09:07.58 | jim | lotus, for one thing, you might look at how your machine is doing... like, what's the load average, and memory usage |
| 09:08.03 | nkuttler | lotus: i got rid of some choppiness by playing with default-fragment-size-msec and disabling high-priority |
| 09:08.30 | nkuttler | if it wasn't for the usb headset i'd just remove pulse.. |
| 09:09.05 | lotus | jim: I doubt it's performance related, but maybe? 16gb ram, quad core i7, it's not a really performance intensive game. I also have the same problem with video calls over http://appear.in sometimes |
| 09:09.26 | lotus | nkuttler: higher msec helped? |
| 09:09.31 | jim | is jack considered any good? |
| 09:10.07 | nkuttler | lotus: actually, for me, lower, which contradicts everything i read |
| 09:11.09 | jim | if so, what's it mostly used for? (I know, for example, ardour uses it, an old synth thing, spiralsynthmodular can use it, there's a linux sampler project that can use it) |
| 09:12.18 | nkuttler | jim: i think it's mostly used for people who work with audio. supposedly easy to combine channels or mix them, and low latency |
| 09:12.22 | nkuttler | used by |
| 09:13.11 | jim | would it be your impression it's still in use? |
| 09:13.29 | nkuttler | i haven't touched it in years |
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| 09:14.25 | jim | same here, but, I have some RME hardware, and someone named faberman wrote a driver for it, and a mixer... huge looking thing |
| 09:16.58 | poffs | i need to tell a router that I have no control over to forward port 22 (or w/e, ssh) to my system |
| 09:17.14 | poffs | if i install linux-igd (upnp), is it going to mess with my iptables firewall or is it just going to report what ports I want forwarded to my router? |
| 09:17.31 | lotus | nkuttler: huh might be working now! |
| 09:17.40 | jim | the driver he wrote is jack-only, mostly because he doesnnt like alsa (something about the way devices are named or referred to) |
| 09:18.04 | lotus | nkuttler: msec 5, high-priority no |
| 09:18.09 | lotus | nkuttler: I might just love you |
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| 09:19.46 | poffs | i need a UPNP client !!!! halp |
| 09:21.30 | morf | no you don't |
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| 09:28.19 | poffs | morf, yes I do because I need to forward a port and I don't have control over the router |
| 09:28.28 | poffs | I just know it supports udnp |
| 09:28.30 | poffs | upnp |
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| 09:43.30 | poffs | HEY |
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| 09:44.05 | poffs | ....i need to use upnp to tell my router, 192.168.1.1, to forward inbount port 22 connections to me. what do I need? what packages? |
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| 09:44.52 | jakk | toilet |
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| 09:48.22 | dutchfish | poffs, actually you probably dont want upnp instead use a static portforwarding preferable not port 22 in your router. If you still insist miniupnp would be a solution http://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/ |
| 09:48.32 | p00ya | I'm new to systemd/jessie; what's the Right Way to make a service (in my case, bind9.service) wait until after a specific network iface (e.g. ppp0) has come up to start? I could do something with /etc/ppp/ip-up.d, but that doesn't seem very systemdish |
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| 09:49.07 | poffs | dutchfish, i can't use static port forwarding in this situation. i need something that will announce the ports via upnp but not touch my iptables rules |
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| 09:50.12 | p00ya | After=network.target doesn't seem to be behaving correctly, and /lib/systemd/system/bind9.service I'm guessing shouldn't be edited |
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| 09:57.09 | dutchfish | p00ya, unfortunately, systemd's systemd-networkd-wait-online isnt implemented, testing has it incorperated since systemd version 219 |
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| 09:57.57 | dutchfish | p00ya, ExecStartPre=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-networkd-wait-online --interface=$IFACE |
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| 09:58.12 | p00ya | dutchfish: thanks |
| 09:58.33 | p00ya | so I should just make my own unit for that? |
| 09:59.04 | dutchfish | p00ya, with that you can implment your service to wait for an interface to come up |
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| 09:59.30 | dutchfish | p00ya, yes, you need to write your own unit |
| 09:59.44 | p00ya | great |
| 10:00.07 | dutchfish | p00ya, dont alter bind9's unit, because it will be overwritten with the next update |
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| 10:00.50 | p00ya | right, I'll create a new service in /etc/systemd/system |
| 10:00.53 | Lime__ | oh apt 1.2, any fancy new features I wonder |
| 10:00.55 | dutchfish | p00ya, there are examples in systemd documentation |
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| 10:06.42 | dutchfish | Lime__, http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/a/apt/unstable_changelog |
| 10:06.43 | poffs | is there a way to setup a upnp client? I need to open up ports on my router without using manual port forwarding |
| 10:08.30 | dutchfish | poffs, its possible but i wouldnt recommend it, because i havent seen a safe way |
| 10:09.29 | poffs | dutchfish, what method are you aware of? I've got iptables configured. |
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| 10:10.12 | dutchfish | poffs, apart form upnp on your router, ppn the client http://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/ |
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| 10:10.45 | dutchfish | poffs, correction, apart from upnp on your router, the client http://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/ |
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| 10:11.22 | dutchfish | poffs, its hairy when it comes to security, i can not stress that too much |
| 10:12.29 | dutchfish | poffs, the big buys use a completey different aproach |
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| 10:12.38 | dutchfish | s/buys/guys |
| 10:13.51 | Lime__ | I have an internal domain name server, with a firewall, and a very large log of attempted access |
| 10:15.22 | felco | Lime__: thats odd because mostly ISP blocks UDP/53 |
| 10:15.53 | felco | unless that is private IP connection |
| 10:17.14 | arcsky | hi, sudo vconfig add eth0 100 means the eth0.100 got vlan-id 100 ? |
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| 10:21.39 | dutchfish | arcsky, dont mix up aliases with actual devices as shown in /sys/class/net |
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| 10:22.18 | poffs | dutchfish, i am so confused. do i want minissdpd or miniupnpc? |
| 10:23.02 | dutchfish | poffs, forget upnp, use a managment station in an managemant network, with static portforwarding |
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| 10:23.34 | poffs | dutchfish, i don't own the network. i can't configure the router. |
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| 10:23.55 | felco | poffs: in that case you will need a upnp client, so your client will ask the router to map a port for your machine |
| 10:23.56 | dutchfish | poffs, i cant help you then in a seucre manner |
| 10:24.09 | felco | you have to 'announce' that to the router |
| 10:24.22 | poffs | felco, i'm aware |
| 10:24.26 | dutchfish | felco, right, i already gave him a link to a upnp client |
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| 10:25.17 | felco | I don't know that client but it will probably do nothing |
| 10:25.19 | poffs | alright, so the package i need is miniupnpc "MiniUPnPc, the client library, enabling applications to access the services provided by an UPnP "Internet Gateway Device" present on the network. In UPnP terminology, MiniUPnPc is a UPnP Control Point. " |
| 10:25.23 | felco | in you iptables |
| 10:26.07 | felco | a library isn't enough |
| 10:26.07 | poffs | "MiniUPnPd is a UPnP Device" " MiniUPnPc is a UPnP Control Point." |
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| 10:26.33 | felco | unless you have something actually using it |
| 10:26.36 | poffs | felco, no it's a client library client lol |
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| 10:28.32 | felco | I looking in their website |
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| 10:29.00 | felco | yeah |
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| 10:30.18 | felco | i think this is just a lib, then it will not do what you want |
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| 10:31.53 | felco | poffs: upnpc is what you want to run |
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| 10:32.36 | felco | poffs: also http://upnp-portmapper.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 10:33.41 | ruehrkuchen | hmpf, every time the same question: 32bit or 64bit for a virtual machine with 512-768 mb of ram but with 64bit host cpu? |
| 10:33.48 | ruehrkuchen | what would you choose? |
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| 10:35.04 | FXpro | is there a good audio enhancement app sort of like dfx (fxsound.com) available by chance? |
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| 10:35.50 | bazhang | ,v audacity |
| 10:35.51 | judd | Package: audacity on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.12-6; wheezy: 2.0.1-1; jessie: 2.0.6-2; sid: 2.0.6-2+b3; stretch: 2.0.6-2+b3; experimental: 2.1.2~rc2-1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.1.1-dmo4 |
| 10:35.56 | dutchfish | ruehrkuchen, if you cant dream up a valid reason, choose 64 bit. just in case you r resources grow on a vm in the future, like large storage or more memory or more VCPU's. |
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| 10:37.04 | FXpro | audacity is an editor. I want sound enhancement like a dsp eq sort of thing |
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| 10:37.23 | ruehrkuchen | okay, i though the same, but i was not sure, thank you dutchfish |
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| 10:41.13 | dutchfish | FXpro, fluidsynth for shaping, if you want audioeffects i dont know |
| 10:41.36 | poffs | how do I setup x11 forwarding without having to use port 6000? i only want to use port 22 |
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| 10:42.14 | FXpro | I just want to boost the audio level and enhance the playback of audio off the web or from mp3 files like dfx does in windows. |
| 10:42.21 | dutchfish | FXpro, and http://qsynth.sourceforge.net/qsynth-index.html |
| 10:42.50 | FXpro | pulse audio is one I think but it is just an eq |
| 10:43.59 | dutchfish | FXpro, yes |
| 10:44.07 | FXpro | wow that looks pretty neat. |
| 10:44.28 | FXpro | qsynth looks pretty neat |
| 10:45.24 | dutchfish | FXpro, i use it with rosegarden and fluidsynth together, to compose nice midi channels |
| 10:45.43 | dutchfish | FXpro, maybe your goal is different |
| 10:45.55 | FXpro | this I think is what I am looking for http://soundpimp.com/guidelines/computer-audio-enhancer-linux/ |
| 10:45.59 | FXpro | soundpimp |
| 10:47.06 | FXpro | you are familiar with dfx for windows? its a dsp like program that dramatically enhances audio playback. comes with all sorts of presets. I found it one day looking for a way to up the volume or boost the gain on this crappy computer. |
| 10:47.13 | shifty | nkuttler: [reply from some time ago] asking because I want to write scripts that run on elementary debian systems without requiring installables. There's probably a document that lists this - finding it is another matter. |
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| 10:47.38 | poffs | dutchfish, felco, this hurts my brain. installing miniupnpc installs minissdpd as a dependency |
| 10:47.59 | dutchfish | FXpro, kindly look at the topic of this channel, i mainly use Debian ;) |
| 10:48.27 | dutchfish | poffs, it will get worse once its up and running, upnp is hairy stuff |
| 10:48.30 | FXpro | I would rate dfx (fxsound.com) quality right up there with dolby laboratories. the main dude who made dfx is like some sort of sound engineer wizard phd etc |
| 10:48.46 | FXpro | I am using a debian distro |
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| 10:53.37 | nkuttler | shifty: well. you could just build packages |
| 10:54.01 | nkuttler | shifty: with dependencies of what you need. |
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| 11:01.25 | arcsky | dutchfish: what do you mean ? |
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| 11:04.58 | dutchfish | arcsky, all those .tags are aliases, see (pretty old explanations) https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_use_vlan_.28dot1q.2C_802.1q.2C_trunk.29_.28Etch.2C_Lenny.29 |
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| 11:14.24 | shifty | nkuttler: quite, just wanted something I could post without asking too much from participants. it's all good - job is complete - hopefully I'll get some takers. |
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| 11:19.38 | n-st | hi, which package provides timedatectl? my fresh jessie installation doesn't seem to have it⦠|
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| 11:21.48 | lotus | n-st: systemd-services / systemd |
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| 11:24.42 | n-st | lotus: thanks, looks like it was installed the entire time, but the shell didn't find it. odd⦠|
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| 11:25.17 | felco | dutchfish: i never used miniupnp myself, in that case i would get that java upnp port mapper |
| 11:25.46 | felco | this is a thing for routers you know.. |
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| 11:28.42 | felco | you know thats why upnp is a security problem, someone can get one of those 'clients' and map his a** off you know |
| 11:28.59 | dutchfish | felco, true |
| 11:29.04 | felco | i think you can limit the upnp server in someone to prevent that kind of behaviour |
| 11:29.23 | felco | someway* |
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| 11:30.17 | dutchfish | felco, i rather use a management network, with a fixed portforward and approriate fw rules |
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| 11:30.38 | felco | but these days you may have a upnp you know |
| 11:30.43 | chris112 | hello, i broke my system by accidently installing the held back package for ifupdown. can i roll back somehow? |
| 11:30.47 | felco | because of skype and such apps |
| 11:31.15 | felco | i mean in a network with various oses |
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| 11:56.51 | DebianCurious500 | Hello world, can someone help me with my pppoe configuration ? |
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| 11:58.20 | mRokita | https://mrokita.pl/img/r510jk-12-58-01.png |
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| 11:58.23 | murasakiiru | ////wc |
| 11:58.30 | DebianCurious500 | lol |
| 11:58.36 | mRokita | running cmus on debian, any ideas of what has happened? |
| 11:58.40 | mRokita | debian jessie/8 |
| 11:58.57 | mRokita | same thing happens in htop |
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| 12:04.14 | canvon | mRokita: could you adjust the background color of your terminal? otherwise there might be some environment variables to tell ncurses the foreground/background colors |
| 12:04.28 | mRokita | ok thanks |
| 12:04.40 | Rephlexie | mRokita, the reverse backround bothering you? What terminal are you using? |
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| 12:06.47 | mRokita | Rephlexie: xterm-256-color + bash |
| 12:06.57 | mRokita | it's through ssh |
| 12:07.08 | canvon | mRokita: you could try to install package ncurses-doc and then read "man ncurses" and then search for the /^ENVIRONMENT section. there it tells about NCURSES_ASSUMED_COLORS, I think that could help in your case |
| 12:08.03 | canvon | mRokita: NCURSES_ASSUMED_COLORS "Override the compiled-in assumption that the terminal's default colors are white-on-black (see default_colâ ors(3NCURSES)). You may set the foreground and background color values with this environment variable by proving a 2-element list: foreground,background. For example, to tell ncurses to not assume anything about the colors, set this to "-1,-1". To mak |
| 12:08.09 | canvon | e it green-on-black, set it to "2,0". Any positive value from zero to the terminfo max_colâ ors value is allowed." |
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| 12:10.14 | mRokita | canvon: i tried to do export NCURSES_ASSUMED_COLORS="0,0" it didn't work |
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| 12:10.52 | canvon | mRokita: 0,0 would mean that foreground==background? sounds wrong to me |
| 12:11.26 | mRokita | 1,0 doesn't help too |
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| 12:12.34 | mRokita | nvm figured it out |
| 12:12.43 | mRokita | i had to restart client's terminal |
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| 12:20.15 | canvon | DebianCurious500: Still trying to set up your pppoe configuration? You could install package pppoe, edit /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider and then do "pon dsl-provider" to connect, poff to disconnect. There is also the possibility to use the kernel driver, that would involve a peers file with "plugin rp-pppoe.so" in it. A third way would be to set things up via NetworkManager and nm-applet graphically |
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| 12:35.42 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: oh thanks for the reply man, well i installed debian with the modules=ppp-udeb with the installer, i have it configured, what im trying to achieve is make it hot-plugable |
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| 12:38.49 | Fjorgynn | i/win 21 |
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| 12:39.34 | canvon | DebianCurious500: my pppoe runs on home server, I don't have it hot-plugged there but I do have a cron job that looks every 5min or so that the pppd is still there, otherwise restarts it |
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| 12:40.13 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: so issuing a command like ifconfig eth0 up && pon provider via cron is not a big deal? |
| 12:40.24 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i mean there are no reconnections or things like that right ? |
| 12:40.47 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: if the iface is already up it will stay up and if the pon is already connected it will stay connected right? |
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| 12:42.25 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i'm trying to do the same stuff with interface scripts but maybe you right, working on cron is more safe |
| 12:42.49 | canvon | DebianCurious500: I use: pidof /usr/sbin/pppd &>/dev/null || { echo "restarting PPP link"; /sbin/ifdown dsl; /sbin/ifup dsl; } |
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| 12:43.39 | canvon | so it will only do something if pppd is not running anymore |
| 12:44.40 | canvon | the dsl "interface" is configured in /etc/network/interfaces thus: iface dsl inet ppp |
| 12:45.09 | canvon | but I think that just does pon/poff behind the scenes, too |
| 12:45.21 | DebianCurious500 | i see |
| 12:45.34 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: idk how is called mine i guess ppp |
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| 12:46.19 | canvon | the "dsl" there is just the handle ifupdown (ifup, ifdown) uses. the physical interface name will probably be ppp0 |
| 12:47.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ah i see.. ok so mine is called "provider" indeed in the interfaces config i have a line called provider provider instead the common provider dsl-provider that i saw in many howto |
| 12:47.15 | canvon | the iface stanza may need an additional "provider dsl-provider" setting or something |
| 12:47.38 | canvon | DebianCurious500: ah, sounds reasonable |
| 12:47.48 | canvon | (though I think "provider provider" is the default) |
| 12:48.19 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: yes idk why they called it provider xD a name like yourprovider could have sounded better and less confusing for noobs xD |
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| 12:50.15 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i starting to think that pppd is freezing or something |
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| 12:55.28 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: Ok i have this problem it seems: If i plug out the cable the pppd stays up :\ |
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| 12:55.48 | canvon | re |
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| 12:56.01 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: Maybe a check like if a ping to the outside don't works kill process and respawn connection? |
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| 12:57.11 | canvon | DebianCurious500: there is built-in support for this in PPP/pppd. I'm using "lcp-echo-interval 20" and "lcp-echo-failure 3" in the /etc/ppp/peers/provider, that should detect a disconnect after 60 seconds |
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| 12:57.38 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i see, let me check the configuration file so |
| 12:57.53 | canvon | DebianCurious500: also pppd has reconnect support, it is probably already turned on so pppd will automatically try to reestablish the connection |
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| 12:59.46 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: just checked, i have 20 and 3 like you but the boy is not reconnecting :\ |
| 13:00.12 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: probably the plugging out the cable is too much, because is not a normal reconnection.. is something total different ^^' |
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| 13:00.59 | canvon | DebianCurious500: for automatic reconnection I'm using "persist" and "holdoff 5" |
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| 13:01.44 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i have persist too but don't know where to setup holdoff |
| 13:03.38 | canvon | DebianCurious500: in the /etc/ppp/peers/provider, both |
| 13:04.03 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ok so i should add it down in the file because is a parameter not configured |
| 13:04.12 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: btw my plog say: |
| 13:04.25 | DebianCurious500 | Timeout waiting for PADO packets |
| 13:04.38 | DebianCurious500 | Unable to complete the PPPoE Discovery |
| 13:04.57 | canvon | DebianCurious500: that usually is a sign of the ISP being unreachable. or a sign of you having pulled the plug as you say :) |
| 13:04.59 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: he alternate this 2 lines all the time |
| 13:05.08 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ok but the plug is back in ^^' |
| 13:05.35 | canvon | DebianCurious500: strange ^^ |
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| 13:06.12 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: could be a problem maybe of the eth0 interface that is not going back up in some sort and he's going mad? but in the interfaces files under the provider iface is written clearly that on try of putting it up he have a pre-up ifconfig eth0 up |
| 13:07.08 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: It seems that pppd is continuously trying to do this job indeed of waiting for pado packets.. still now the log have updated timestamps so him is not freezing, but he can't get this packets XD |
| 13:07.29 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ah and now he gave up and wrote "Exit." |
| 13:07.52 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: pppd gone down |
| 13:08.15 | canvon | DebianCurious500: yeah, that would be the point where the cron job would kick in |
| 13:08.38 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: yes.. i tried now with this command only pon provider |
| 13:08.46 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: but he's stuck in the same way |
| 13:08.58 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: he can't get pado packets and so on |
| 13:09.17 | canvon | DebianCurious500: but perhaps the interface was taken down when you plugged the cable, by some daemon (otherwise it would logically just have stain up), so the interface would need to be brought back up when you reinsert the cable |
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| 13:09.48 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i allowed the allow-hotplug on eth0 but maybe it's setup manual? |
| 13:09.53 | DebianCurious500 | and this could be a problem? |
| 13:10.12 | DebianCurious500 | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 13:10.16 | DebianCurious500 | aiface eth0 inet manual |
| 13:10.22 | DebianCurious500 | iface* |
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| 13:10.46 | canvon | DebianCurious500: that would be your initial question regarding hotplugging ;) there I don't know much. just using NetworkManager on desktops/notebooks now, with nm-applet to bring connections up/down |
| 13:11.04 | canvon | DebianCurious500: mh i don't know |
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| 13:11.47 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ah i see, no i didn't installed networkmanager, because this have to be a router i'm trying to install the real minimum ^^ |
| 13:11.59 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: fun part is that eth0 is marked as up |
| 13:12.10 | DebianCurious500 | cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate |
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| 13:12.48 | canvon | DebianCurious500: I think when using the ifupdown "manual" method, you need to provide the "ifconfig $IFACE 0.0.0.0 up" command manually, in an "up" entry |
| 13:13.04 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i see |
| 13:13.08 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i could try |
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| 13:14.09 | aliasd | Hi, can anyone tell me if there is a default cron for Debian? |
| 13:14.13 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it's gone back idk how :D |
| 13:14.23 | canvon | DebianCurious500: :D |
| 13:14.45 | abrotman | aliasd: default in what way? |
| 13:14.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: probably there's some problems with the modem that refuses connection for a while if i go too much up&down or ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up made the trick |
| 13:15.05 | aliasd | ie, often preinstalled, or generally more supported, |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | aliasd: sure |
| 13:15.28 | aliasd | ..which cron is it? |
| 13:15.36 | abrotman | aliasd: dpkg -l | grep cron |
| 13:15.49 | canvon | 14:12:10 < DebianCurious500> cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate <- I think that is a lower layer. To check upness for pppd, you could use the output of "ifconfig eth0" and look for the "UP" in, e.g., "UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST" |
| 13:15.54 | aliasd | not on a deb system |
| 13:16.00 | abrotman | aliasd: packages.debian.org/cron |
| 13:16.22 | canvon | DebianCurious500: or use the: ip link show dev eth0 |
| 13:16.44 | aliasd | ty abrotman |
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| 13:17.45 | canvon | DebianCurious500: I have to go afk, good luck with further setting this up! |
| 13:17.58 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: thank you for the hints man ! :) |
| 13:18.03 | aliasd | I guess that means it's cronie by default? |
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| 13:19.33 | tinker_ | Hi, I'm trying to write a live image to my usb drive and just got this: [ 6240.120068] INFO: task systemd-udevd:154 blocked for more than 120 seconds. [ 6240.120272] Not tainted 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 |
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| 13:20.06 | tinker_ | used dd bs=4M if=file.iso of=/dev/sdc |
| 13:20.11 | aliasd | ok, it's vixie |
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| 13:20.26 | aliasd | ty #debian |
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| 13:20.50 | Omilun | hello ... i need to unrar a rar file . rar file has a password . how can i unrar it? |
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| 13:21.43 | abrotman | Omilun: unrar-nonfree or something like that |
| 13:22.02 | abrotman | oh wait, it's in non-free |
| 13:22.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Omilun about non-free |
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| 13:22.42 | tinker_ | is there some way to confirm a live usb is good without actually booting to it? I have no idea if its my usb or my computer settings that are wrong |
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| 13:24.39 | aZz7eCh | Q: I have an application I use.. but i have to run it from terminal as sudo for it to have full permissions. What is the linux equiv of a "shortcut" or "batch file" that I could make to force it to run as "sudo" or root each time I run it? And secondly, make it show up in my launchpad. |
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| 13:24.51 | Omilun1 | abrotman: i know ... i sued unrar but i can unzip my file ... my file has a password |
| 13:25.04 | abrotman | aZz7eCh: suid |
| 13:25.18 | abrotman | Omilun1: which unrar are you using? |
| 13:25.23 | abrotman | Omilun1: dpkg -l | grep unrar |
| 13:25.43 | Omilun1 | abrotman: yes unrar -x file.rar |
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| 13:26.34 | Omilun1 | abrotman: its unrar-free |
| 13:26.49 | aZz7eCh | abrotman: so what I should be aiming at is setting the whole program folder and files in it, to root ownership? |
| 13:27.00 | aZz7eCh | rather than user* |
| 13:27.01 | aZz7eCh | ? |
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| 13:27.17 | aZz7eCh | that way when i run, it prompts for password rigth ? |
| 13:27.40 | abrotman | Omilun: right, install the non-free one |
| 13:27.52 | abrotman | aZz7eCh: ah .. no, I didn't say that .. |
| 13:27.56 | aZz7eCh | oh |
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| 13:28.17 | abrotman | aZz7eCh: you may want to learn about the feature I mentioned before trying to apply it |
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| 13:28.33 | aZz7eCh | abrotman - initial googling made me think what I just asked |
| 13:28.36 | aZz7eCh | ... |
| 13:28.37 | aZz7eCh | lol |
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| 13:31.01 | Omilun | abrotman: ok i installed it |
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| 13:31.14 | Omilun | abrotman: how can i unrar my file? |
| 13:31.21 | abrotman | it has a man page |
| 13:32.17 | tinker_ | Tried another usb drive for my live image and didnt get systemd=udevd blocked for more than 120 seconds |
| 13:32.44 | tinker_ | can I assume my first drive is dying? |
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| 13:46.35 | ayyroo | Hey guys, I was wondering if I run Debian Testing will it allow me to autoremove old kernels like Ubuntu does? |
| 13:46.49 | ayyroo | After a while of updating kernels Ubuntu allows me to sudo apt-get autoremove them |
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| 13:53.54 | ws2k3 | themill thanks you |
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| 13:54.10 | themill | np |
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| 14:02.33 | damo22 | for 32 bit mactels |
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| 14:07.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: sadly is still not working, i have somehow to detect the plugged out state... maybe i could write a script on "down" to bring everything down |
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| 14:13.12 | canvon | DebianCurious500: re. oh dear. :/ so after replugging the cable, it just continues to give timeout waiting for PADO packets? and does a manual "ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up" fix it, then? |
| 14:13.36 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i will try but i'm not sure.. let me check, its' a nasty thing to debug manually :p |
| 14:14.02 | canvon | ^^' |
| 14:14.22 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it seems that even if we have setup the crontab the pppd is down |
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| 14:15.27 | canvon | DebianCurious500: any mails from cron? or anything in the syslog about it? |
| 14:16.11 | DebianCurious500 | i added a line like */5 * * * * pidof /usr/sbin/pppd &>/dev/null/ || { echo "restarting PPP link"; /sbin/ifdown provider; /sbin/ifup provider; } |
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| 14:16.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: to see the mail just i have to ask "mail" no? cuz it says No mails for root |
| 14:17.02 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: while syslog i have no idea how to check ^^' |
| 14:17.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: /var/log/cron ? |
| 14:17.22 | canvon | DebianCurious500: /var/log/syslog |
| 14:17.44 | canvon | DebianCurious500: run: less /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:18.15 | canvon | less is a nice pager. you can get help via h, and quit via q |
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| 14:19.09 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: says |
| 14:19.31 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: (root) CMD (pidof ....... ) |
| 14:19.33 | canvon | DebianCurious500: The mail setup is another thing. It might be that it's not set up at all. Otherwise, there could be mbox files in /var/mail/ |
| 14:19.41 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i guess he executes the command |
| 14:20.18 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i don't see reasons why he should not |
| 14:20.19 | canvon | DebianCurious500: well, above you say that you redirected the output to /dev/null with a trailing slash. that would be wrong |
| 14:20.50 | canvon | I mean, "/dev/null/" would be wrong, it should say "/dev/null" |
| 14:21.14 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: yeah you right i typed it bad but is /dev/null in the crontab |
| 14:21.25 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i copied it manually because the machine in this mom has no internet |
| 14:21.41 | canvon | oic |
| 14:22.33 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: let me check if crontab works with a nice wall "hey" message |
| 14:22.50 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i should see it written in console |
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| 14:23.39 | canvon | DebianCurious500: good thought |
| 14:23.44 | canvon | DebianCurious500: but. did you really name your "iface FOO inet ppp" stanza in /etc/network/interfaces "provider" (for FOO)? |
| 14:24.01 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: debian installer setup did it for me |
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| 14:24.26 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: that was my default interfaces file when i first entered my pc after the installer |
| 14:24.38 | canvon | DebianCurious500: could you double-check that there is written "iface provider inet ppp"? |
| 14:24.41 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: they are not smart, that's why i said could been better call it myprovider |
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| 14:25.16 | meth | hey debians |
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| 14:25.28 | meth | what is the official forums of debian? |
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| 14:25.41 | DebianCurious500 | # PPPoE connection |
| 14:25.45 | DebianCurious500 | auto provider |
| 14:25.50 | DebianCurious500 | iface provider inet ppp |
| 14:25.54 | canvon | DebianCurious500: oic, ok |
| 14:25.54 | DebianCurious500 | pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up |
| 14:25.59 | DebianCurious500 | provider provider |
| 14:25.59 | DebianCurious500 | xD |
| 14:26.09 | DebianCurious500 | it's ridiculus but is like that xD |
| 14:26.16 | canvon | DebianCurious500: :) |
| 14:26.39 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: but the guy is not walling me so let me see what's going on.. ;) |
| 14:27.16 | canvon | DebianCurious500: I think you're missing the user name in the crontab entry |
| 14:27.29 | canvon | or have you added it to a user crontab? |
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| 14:27.39 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i used crontab -e |
| 14:27.42 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: as root |
| 14:28.01 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it should automatically edit the file for root user |
| 14:28.21 | canvon | oic |
| 14:28.23 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ok he's printing the msg so i have a problem with the line we used... gimme a sec |
| 14:28.28 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: oic ? |
| 14:28.31 | canvon | "oh I see" |
| 14:28.43 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: k xD didn't know this shortening |
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| 14:29.18 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ok let me try to kick back the interface manually |
| 14:29.37 | pk64 | I am trying to overwrite my old package "ice" with "ice-steamos", I had though a breaks and repalces would do it, but I am getting overrite errors on install https://github.com/ProfessorKaos64/Ice/blob/brewmaster/debian/control |
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| 14:34.57 | tinker_ | I tried mounting the new live usb, but am still getting nothing |
| 14:35.26 | tinker_ | when trying to boot to it from grub it tells me there ie no efi directory |
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| 14:36.14 | Brigo | tinker_, i think you should talk with #debian-live people, in OFTC network. |
| 14:36.22 | tinker_ | Brigo: thanks |
| 14:36.41 | Brigo | tinker_, np :) |
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| 14:38.16 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i wonder about a thing |
| 14:38.36 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: this script you said pidof /usr/sbin/pppd &>/dev/null || { echo "restarting PPP link"; /sbin/ifdown dsl; /sbin/ifup dsl; } |
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| 14:39.12 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: how the expression is evaluated ? if there is no reply to pidof /usr/sbin/pppd execute the rest? |
| 14:40.05 | meth | why there is no official forums for debian ? |
| 14:40.20 | meth | can't you afford hosting ? |
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| 14:40.44 | Brigo | meth, i guess nobody cares enought. |
| 14:41.01 | Brigo | people think mailing lists and irc channels are enought. |
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| 14:41.33 | meth | perhaps. |
| 14:41.44 | nkuttler | yeah, i really dislike forums |
| 14:42.58 | canvon | DebianCurious500: yes |
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| 14:43.54 | canvon | DebianCurious500: could you check your emails on the system? are there files in /var/mail/ ? |
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| 14:46.56 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: is all empty :\ |
| 14:49.36 | canvon | DebianCurious500: well.. ... are you sure the pppd is not running anymore? ps u -C pppd |
| 14:50.05 | canvon | DebianCurious500: and when it's not, you could try to run the commands manually... ifdown provider; ifup provider |
| 14:50.49 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: yeah but seemingly cron is not working on that line |
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| 14:51.52 | canvon | DebianCurious500: does executing the ifdown/ifup commands manually restart your pppd? |
| 14:52.26 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: let me try |
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| 14:53.22 | SomeBody | someone know how to restart apache service ? |
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| 14:53.44 | DebianCurious500 | SomeBody: service apache restart |
| 14:54.06 | DebianCurious500 | SomeBody: or depending the conifg could be service httpd restart |
| 14:54.14 | DebianCurious500 | config* |
| 14:54.23 | canvon | SomeBody: or: service apache2 restart |
| 14:55.55 | SomeBody | ok thanks men's =) |
| 14:56.16 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it gone up after lot of time but i also issued the command pon provider |
| 14:56.33 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: so at this point im a bit unsure but i guess i have to fix cron first |
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| 14:57.12 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: lmao now even ppp1 is there with another ip... -_-' |
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| 14:57.20 | canvon | ^_^' |
| 14:57.32 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: no idea how it got spawned really xD |
| 14:57.42 | dw | hey, i'm looking at package nfdump here: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/net/nfdump .. this is a pretty old but probably easy problem. how do i figure out why it's missing from the jessie distribution? packages.qa doesn't seem to mention anything |
| 14:57.49 | canvon | DebianCurious500: perhaps by your manual additional pon provider? |
| 14:58.10 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: in the other times just spawned the first.. maybe he was already working and it did spawn 2 of them yeah |
| 14:58.58 | SomeBody | Who knows when there will be a new release of Debian (I mean something like Debian 9 buzz or smth like that ) |
| 15:00.02 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: this crontab is not working, tryin gto guess why |
| 15:00.04 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: * * * * * pidof /usr/sbin/pppd &>/dev/null || { wall "hey"; echo "restarting PPP link"; /sbin/ifdown provider; /sbin/ifup provider; } |
| 15:00.22 | canvon | SomeBody: it'll be announced on the announcement mailing list, and on https://www.debian.org |
| 15:00.23 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: when the ppp was down not even the wall part was shown |
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| 15:01.14 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: is important to understand if the commands are triggered or not :D if them are triggered could be my modem that ignores the too many tries connections |
| 15:01.19 | canvon | SomeBody: the mailing list archive is here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/ there you can see the announcement mail for the jessie release |
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| 15:02.14 | SomeBody | oh thanks |
| 15:03.38 | canvon | DebianCurious500: have you tried running the exact command in the shell? |
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| 15:08.33 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: let me try it |
| 15:09.50 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: trying it in the shell seems to work |
| 15:09.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: idk why in cron doesn't |
| 15:10.09 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: fishy way of work |
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| 15:10.09 | canvon | :\ |
| 15:10.59 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it seems that the commands sbin up and down works very nice |
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| 15:11.30 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: they works very fast and good |
| 15:11.32 | Dev0n | hey, what are thoughts on running a single cron job that runs a number of tasks over running those tasks as single cron jobs? |
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| 15:11.49 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i could maybe do just this, instead all that checks just /sbin/ifup provider |
| 15:11.51 | Dev0n | the latter would allow me to use flock to prevent duplicate runs |
| 15:12.08 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: because i checked that in case of interface up it says: hey iface is already up... |
| 15:12.42 | Dev0n | I guess performance would be better with the former solution if you are finding yourself running over 100 cron jobs vs 1 cron job running 100 tasks? |
| 15:13.16 | canvon | DebianCurious500: well, if that works... but when it already works, try to redirect away the output, or cron will try to mail it to you every time |
| 15:14.16 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: that's the reason why you put the output of the command in dev null eh? |
| 15:14.21 | canvon | DebianCurious500: but I'd think ifup will believe the interface to be up even when pppd is not running anymore, as it probably only looks in /etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 15:14.48 | canvon | DebianCurious500: yeah |
| 15:14.51 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: let me try a further check so |
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| 15:16.44 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: If i start my linux machine with cable inserted and then at certain point start playing with /sbin/ifdown provider and /sbin/ifup provider everything works fine, the system is responsive, fast in getting down and up the connection all flawlessy. |
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| 15:17.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: if i'm with the interface up and pull out the cable, the system will continue telling me that the interface is up when it isn't |
| 15:17.33 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: until some timeouts and crash of pppd comes in |
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| 15:17.57 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: if i plug back the cable and run back /sbin/ifup provider it tries to launch the pppoe daeom |
| 15:17.59 | DebianCurious500 | daemon |
| 15:18.04 | DebianCurious500 | but is still there |
| 15:18.10 | DebianCurious500 | now getting the PADO packets |
| 15:18.23 | DebianCurious500 | not* getting |
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| 15:19.47 | canvon | DebianCurious500: and the system still says the interface would be up? |
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| 15:20.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: yes.. i think there's a mess because is not a real interface but a virtual one relaying on eth0 |
| 15:21.17 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i modified my interfaces file with some pre-up wall "eth0 pre up", up wall "eth0 up"... and so on |
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| 15:21.30 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: to monitor all the eth0 states when i plug back and forth the cable |
| 15:23.01 | canvon | DebianCurious500: good idea. instead of wall, you could log to syslog, via "logger" |
| 15:23.03 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: this maybe could be useful through http://stackoverflow.com/questions/808560/how-to-detect-the-physical-connected-state-of-a-network-cable-connector |
| 15:23.22 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i'm a waller ! :D jk i prefer it have walled while i do the actual operation |
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| 15:25.42 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it seems that even when plugging out the cable eth0 doesn't think she's disconnected |
| 15:25.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: this maybe could be the beginning of the problems of pppoe |
| 15:26.07 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: because she thinks that the physical link is still valid |
| 15:27.07 | canvon | DebianCurious500: maybe, but the real problems seems to be that it does not start to work again when the cable is re-plugged? |
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| 15:27.14 | canvon | *problem |
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| 15:27.48 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: if the system still thinks that eth0 is plugged in correctly even if i remove the cable... pppoe is not guilty |
| 15:28.14 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: the only thing he can do is go in a timeout state and even crash |
| 15:28.29 | canvon | DebianCurious500: well, yes |
| 15:28.33 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: but if the eth0 link is not rebooted properly the pppoe client can't help |
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| 15:28.56 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: so first job here is a thing like, detect cable unplugged and reboot it in case ;) |
| 15:29.22 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: also because i saw the allow-hotplug ok but that is for another usb ethernet i have for example, in that case you can totally unplug the eth |
| 15:29.40 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: in this case it works differently because the ethernet nic is still there but i have to guess if cable is in or not |
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| 15:30.01 | canvon | DebianCurious500: I'm told that there is ifplugd, which can handle unplugging/plugging of cable and reconfigure your network accordingly. but this would be of no use if the system can't detect that the cable is unplugged in any way |
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| 15:31.09 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: no it seems the system detects it properly |
| 15:31.18 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: just was doing this |
| 15:31.32 | DebianCurious500 | cat /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier |
| 15:31.42 | DebianCurious500 | 1 if plugged in, or 0 if unplugged |
| 15:31.46 | canvon | :) |
| 15:32.03 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: so if i had a cron that control that value continuously |
| 15:32.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i could detect if the cable is removed... |
| 15:32.32 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: but should be something in the order of milliseconds, not a cron of 1 min |
| 15:32.58 | DebianCurious500 | something that says... cable unplugged, when it goes back plugged in -> network restart |
| 15:33.05 | canvon | DebianCurious500: so try if ifplugd helps in your case |
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| 15:33.46 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: lol and i guess is not a package i have installed eh ? :D |
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| 15:34.00 | canvon | DebianCurious500: probably not ^^ |
| 15:34.04 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: no indeed i have not |
| 15:34.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: this could be a reason XD |
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| 15:35.00 | canvon | DebianCurious500: many different things can do something like this. NetworkManager, systemd-networkd, ifplugd... I guess it would be bad if all of them were installed by default |
| 15:36.43 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: what do you suggest among them ? |
| 15:36.49 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: network manager ? |
| 15:36.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i'm on cli |
| 15:38.14 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: lmao as well i installed ifplugd both my scripts and the ppp0 gone back working instantly |
| 15:38.16 | DebianCurious500 | !! |
| 15:38.16 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 15:38.19 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ty man |
| 15:38.24 | canvon | :D |
| 15:39.19 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i talked too fast |
| 15:40.19 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it seems that it recognize the scripts but... the pppoe is not restarted |
| 15:41.26 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: maybe install some things like connection manager is a good hint |
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| 15:44.37 | canvon | DebianCurious500: I'd suggest to try configuring ifplugd first |
| 15:44.46 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: how can it be configured |
| 15:44.54 | canvon | unfortunately, I've never used it myself |
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| 15:48.42 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: trying to guess with dpkg-reconfigure ifplugd |
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| 15:59.31 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: probably the most useful think i can do is issue a network reboot on cable replugged |
| 16:00.16 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: or... get rid of the pppoe kernel version and use the client side one :D |
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| 16:02.34 | JyZyXEL | to build a debian package, the upstream source needs to be in a tar package? |
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| 16:06.14 | Wildefyr | Hi, I'm trying to compile some software manually, but it fails under the #include <xcb/xcb.h> stage, anyone know the packge I need? |
| 16:06.46 | cruncher | Wildefyr, libxcb1-dev |
| 16:07.06 | cruncher | but you can find that out yourself next time easily by installing in example apt-file |
| 16:07.36 | Wildefyr | do the -dev prefix means that it includes the libs? |
| 16:08.15 | markybob | Wildefyr, mostly header files. that you need to compile against. |
| 16:08.26 | Wildefyr | right yeah that's what I meant >.> |
| 16:08.28 | Wildefyr | thanks |
| 16:08.50 | cruncher | header files, and libs needed to compile |
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| 16:09.00 | Wildefyr | yh |
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| 16:15.32 | DebianCurious500 | di |
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| 16:22.46 | jim | DebianCurious500, did you ever end up installing a linux of some kind? |
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| 16:23.19 | DebianCurious500 | jim: eh? |
| 16:23.30 | DebianCurious500 | jim: im finishing my debian configuration |
| 16:23.48 | DebianCurious500 | jim: it's all working except for the pppoe not working in hotplug mode |
| 16:24.39 | jim | is it working in any mode? |
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| 16:25.10 | DebianCurious500 | jim: normally works, i'm trying to figure out how to make it working if the cable is plugged out and replugged in |
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| 16:30.53 | jim | DebianCurious500, how's that part going? |
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| 16:31.13 | DebianCurious500 | jim: not working at all :\ |
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| 16:31.54 | DebianCurious500 | jim: i tried with: killall pppd; ifdown provider; ifdown eth0; ifupeth0; sleep 20; ifup provider |
| 16:31.59 | jim | which means you have to ifdown pppoe0 ; ifup pppoe0 when you replace the cable? |
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| 16:32.32 | DebianCurious500 | jim: something wrong happens idk what, in short is like the eth0 link goes completely bad but somehow the system doesn't recognize it |
| 16:32.50 | DebianCurious500 | jim: so pppoe is not able to continue connect |
| 16:32.59 | DebianCurious500 | jim: is not a pppd fault |
| 16:33.20 | DebianCurious500 | jim: is just that he thinks he have access to eth0 but it doesn't, no packet are there for him |
| 16:33.31 | DebianCurious500 | jim: starting to think is a driver problem |
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| 16:33.40 | jim | with the ofdown/ifups, have you been able to reestablish link? |
| 16:33.59 | DebianCurious500 | jim: nope :o |
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| 16:34.17 | jim | so.. you actually have to reboot?! |
| 16:34.26 | DebianCurious500 | jim: yes is the only way |
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| 16:34.50 | DebianCurious500 | jim: or in rare cases it happened that rebooting the interfaces it allowed me to pon provider again |
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| 16:35.48 | jim | ok... different q... why would the cable fall out? |
| 16:35.48 | DebianCurious500 | jim: what is happening now however is kinda weird |
| 16:36.08 | DebianCurious500 | jim: if i go with ifdown eth0 it says interface is down |
| 16:36.09 | DebianCurious500 | jim: BUT |
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| 16:36.28 | DebianCurious500 | jim: if i right after go for ifconfig eth0 the system says is UP BROADCAST MULTICASTING |
| 16:36.30 | DebianCurious500 | o_O |
| 16:36.46 | canvon | perhaps due to ifplugd running? |
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| 16:37.12 | jim | that looks up to me |
| 16:37.25 | DebianCurious500 | ............................... |
| 16:37.31 | DebianCurious500 | no it seems something different to me |
| 16:37.40 | DebianCurious500 | if i'm in root console and says ifup provider |
| 16:37.43 | DebianCurious500 | nothing works |
| 16:37.53 | DebianCurious500 | if i go in /sbin/ifup provider |
| 16:37.55 | DebianCurious500 | it works |
| 16:38.05 | jim | what about my other question... |
| 16:38.08 | DebianCurious500 | what's going on here? xD |
| 16:38.38 | DebianCurious500 | jim: because is a system that can need to be moved, also for learning and prevent all possible problems |
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| 16:39.08 | markybob | jim, how do you move it without turning it off? |
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| 16:39.19 | DebianCurious500 | battery powered device |
| 16:39.23 | markybob | oops DebianCurious500 |
| 16:39.24 | jim | so if you move it and have to remove the cable, you'd have to reboot... |
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| 16:39.45 | jim | that's a good question |
| 16:39.45 | DebianCurious500 | jim: that's why i'm trying to fix it ^^ |
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| 16:39.55 | jelly | DebianCurious500: "ifup provider" makes very little sense, "pon provider" does however |
| 16:40.16 | jim | what's wrong with turning it off when you move it? |
| 16:40.20 | DebianCurious500 | jelly: no is that the idiot debian installer use the name "provider" for the actual "dsl-provider" |
| 16:40.39 | DebianCurious500 | jelly: instead of calling something like... myprovider |
| 16:40.40 | canvon | jelly: he has an "iface provider inet ppp" or the like in /etc/network/interfaces. Should do a pon provider internally |
| 16:41.04 | jelly | ah |
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| 16:42.18 | DebianCurious500 | ok |
| 16:42.21 | DebianCurious500 | so for what i tried |
| 16:42.28 | DebianCurious500 | if i use /sbin executables it works |
| 16:42.41 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: so i could do something like this |
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| 16:43.27 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: on eth0 configure something like post-down /sbin/ifdown provider; killall pppd; |
| 16:43.30 | canvon | DebianCurious500: how did you get root access? perhaps the PATH is not set up properly? have you used "su -" or "sudo -i" or something? |
| 16:43.44 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: and on up /sbin/ifup provider |
| 16:43.49 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: this should do the trick |
| 16:44.00 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i just rooted into console |
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| 16:44.39 | canvon | DebianCurious500: then ifup vs. /sbin/ifup should make no difference? |
| 16:44.42 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: let's try this funny thing lol |
| 16:45.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: the same thing i tought but... seemingly THERE is a difference O_o |
| 16:46.07 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: this could be the culprit |
| 16:46.26 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/ifup |
| 16:46.28 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: /sbin/ifup |
| 16:46.40 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: idk what is that ifup there |
| 16:47.46 | canvon | that should only make a difference when using tab completion (?) |
| 16:48.09 | canvon | and, the /sbin *does* make a difference when running from cron, unless you explicitly set it a root-like PATH there |
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| 16:48.26 | canvon | as in cron, the PATH defaults to "/usr/bin:/bin", according to "man 5 crontab" |
| 16:49.26 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: that's right... but why in normal console, not in cron if i type ifup provider it doesn't work when /sbin/ifup provider it does? |
| 16:49.41 | canvon | it shouldn't |
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| 16:50.26 | canvon | DebianCurious500: you could try: type -p ifup |
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| 16:50.40 | canvon | does that say anything different than /sbin/ifup ? |
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| 16:51.55 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: no lol it says /sbin/ifup |
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| 16:51.58 | zykotick9 | is surprised, both "su -" and "su" provide the same PATH, which includes /sbin |
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| 16:53.02 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: now again is making mess with the interface... i have no idea what's going on.. now not even the /sbin/ commands works |
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| 16:54.31 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i think there are some problems out of there on how debian handle pppoe |
| 16:54.52 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: the one in userspace could work better for this |
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| 16:56.14 | canvon | zykotick9: oh, it seems su sets PATH according to whether the target user is root or not, to some defaults that are overridden as ENV_PATH and ENV_SUPATH in /etc/login.defs . didn't know that |
| 16:56.18 | cruncher | in your case ifup and /sbin/ifup are the same, maybe it "worked" because you typed it in second time, not because of the path... ;-) |
| 16:56.52 | cruncher | would explain somehow why now it doesnt "work" anymore |
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| 16:57.44 | cruncher | and i guess with "it doesnt work" you mean the device doesnt come up, not a "command not found" error.. right? |
| 16:58.00 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: could it be that at a certain point the interface eth0 comes back working from its numbness and everythings goes back fine |
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| 16:58.26 | cruncher | yes, possible.. i would guess that there is a timeout |
| 16:58.26 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but till now is still didn't get what is this condition, if is just a matter of time or i type some kind of network refresh command that makes the eth0 goes back working |
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| 16:58.48 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so i think of doing something good with my commands but is not like that |
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| 17:01.54 | canvon | DebianCurious500: perhaps you should disable the cron job first, and try to put your automatic commands into the ifplugd script file at /etc/ifplugd/ifplugd.action , and check /etc/default/ifplugd for configuring ifplugd. It seemed it correctly detected the cable being plugged in, and at least some of the time restores pppd's operability? if not, disable ifplugd too. only then can you be sure that your manu |
| 17:02.00 | canvon | al commands really do what they should, in the the system state that you think your system is in |
| 17:02.18 | canvon | DebianCurious500: also you could check the kernel output in /var/log/syslog or in the output of "dmesg" |
| 17:02.25 | canvon | perhaps there is really a hardware problem or the like |
| 17:02.28 | canvon | or some timeout |
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| 17:03.02 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i tried also with the client in user space... the package pppoe |
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| 17:03.12 | canvon | DebianCurious500: what are the results? |
| 17:03.18 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it seems that in this weird state it just don't want to do anyhing |
| 17:03.26 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it's like the eth0 is up but not really working |
| 17:03.32 | canvon | :\ |
| 17:03.43 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: so everything that relies on it like pppoe connections doesn't want to work |
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| 17:05.05 | canvon | DebianCurious500: perhaps a running pppd, pppoe kernel driver, pppoe user-space tool conflict with each other? have you tried turning everything off first? the cron job, ifplugd, the running pppd, ... and then test one step at a time |
| 17:05.22 | canvon | DebianCurious500: also do have a look at the dmesg output regarding hardware/driver problems of your interface |
| 17:05.57 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: the stuff that really throubles me is when i go for /sbin/ifdown eth0 |
| 17:06.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: and if i go in ifconfig eth0 he says UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST |
| 17:06.11 | zykotick9 | hasn't configured pppoe on a system in 10+ years at least... thank you routers with pppoe built-in |
| 17:06.52 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, maybe we would need alittle bit more exact information to be able to help |
| 17:06.54 | DebianCurious500 | zykotick9: is a sort of portable firewall i'm creating i don't rely on routers because their security patches are poor |
| 17:06.55 | cruncher | just some little rewind..you have a cron job which checks every minute then runs a ifup? |
| 17:07.14 | markybob | i'm kind of curious at what market still uses pppoe |
| 17:07.19 | cruncher | and your device is named "provider"? |
| 17:07.44 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yes, i installed a netinst debian with the option modules=ppp-udeb at startup |
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| 17:07.52 | markybob | i used it 20 years ago. not since. |
| 17:07.58 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: and provider is the name of the pppoe interface that debian installer creates xD |
| 17:08.03 | jhutchins | markybob: Telemex was still using it ~2008, probably haven't changed. |
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| 17:08.35 | zykotick9 | DebianCurious500: ".. i don't rely on routers because their security patches are poor" <- i do 100% agree with that statement. best of luck. |
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| 17:09.31 | DebianCurious500 | zykotick9: i mean cheap commercial routers |
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| 17:10.13 | zykotick9 | DebianCurious500: well... with some of the recent backdoors revealed in expensive commercial routers, i'm not sure it's much better ;) |
| 17:10.18 | canvon | markybob: at least in germany, *DSL is PPPoE. (But there is of course Cable, which doesn't) |
| 17:10.34 | DebianCurious500 | zykotick9: is the same indeed that's why for this nas i'm preparing a linux box wall |
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| 17:11.34 | canvon | (oh and there is IPTV over DSL which uses IP straight.. okay I don't know all the cases. but baseline *DSL should still be PPPoE) |
| 17:12.12 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: my provider gives me both choices |
| 17:12.37 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i have a modem where i can go pppoe passthrought and get an ip for each pppoe connection i get or use it in dhcp |
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| 17:14.10 | DebianCurious500 | lmao i will end to post-down reboot rofl |
| 17:14.22 | DebianCurious500 | so i will be sure that EVERYTHIN works fine xDDD |
| 17:14.45 | DebianCurious500 | the machines take 4 seconds to reboot is all on flash drive |
| 17:14.52 | DebianCurious500 | machine* |
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| 17:16.06 | canvon | DebianCurious500: yes, in a usual household it's PPPoE to the modem-router, which does NAT, and the other connected devices have normal IP (with internal IP addresses of course) via the modem-router |
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| 17:17.17 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: yeah but here i'm using this conf |
| 17:17.45 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: 2 routers with each pppoe conn directly to the internet, this box in pppoe and another device attached directly on the modem |
| 17:17.53 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i have 4 ip from the provider all dynamic lol |
| 17:17.58 | canvon | :) |
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| 17:19.11 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, could/did you paste your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:19.23 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yeah gimme a min |
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| 17:21.33 | jhutchins | I have no idea what the current state of network software is; I used to build dial-up routers for soho networks out of old XT boxes. |
| 17:22.01 | jhutchins | pppd was the way to go then. |
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| 17:23.47 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://paste.linux.chat/view/355a4264 |
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| 17:25.26 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, do you have a backup of this file before you started to change things? |
| 17:26.10 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: the only things i added are the up, down, pre-up... that stuff there |
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| 17:26.45 | cruncher | in the eth0 section you should change anyting related to provider |
| 17:27.00 | cruncher | sorry, s/should/shouldnt |
| 17:27.15 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: it was my desperate try to make pppoe work back on reconnect |
| 17:27.50 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but i figured now that is not a pppoe problem, i think that if i will configure the eth0 for example with dhcp and i will plug back and forth the cable i will have the same problem |
| 17:27.59 | DebianCurious500 | is like the interface hangs if i do this |
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| 17:28.11 | DebianCurious500 | so whatever thing i run over eth0 just doesn't work |
| 17:28.29 | canvon | DebianCurious500: have you checked "dmesg" output? |
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| 17:30.39 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 17:30.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: link down |
| 17:30.56 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: link up |
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| 17:31.18 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, also, first of all, put the provider section AFTER the eth0 section |
| 17:31.25 | canvon | DebianCurious500: anything regarding timeout, or hardware/driver problems? |
| 17:31.40 | cruncher | the devices with auto are brought up in order |
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| 17:32.13 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yes but u see the provider iface have a pre-up with putting the eth0 up, is not something i did is the debian default configuration file i found |
| 17:32.22 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it seems not |
| 17:32.33 | cruncher | yes, take all the extra stuff you put out |
| 17:32.40 | cruncher | lets try to look for the real problem |
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| 17:33.02 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i can also think of reinstall all the box 5 min just for try the pppoe |
| 17:33.15 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: just a sec to burn all the os |
| 17:33.16 | cruncher | and if you mean the "pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up" thats ok where it is, in the provider section |
| 17:34.16 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i installed the debian 8.2.0 firmware nonfree version... need the free ver? to be sure ? |
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| 17:35.12 | DebianCurious500 | time to format... let's go with it from the start and see |
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| 17:35.29 | cruncher | is the needed firmware loaded? did you check "dmesg | grep firmware"? |
| 17:35.54 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i installed the nonfree netinst that already have the firmware package in |
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| 17:36.48 | DebianCurious500 | np i will format it in a sec |
| 17:36.57 | DebianCurious500 | almost like it was a virtual machine |
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| 17:37.53 | eskatrem | can someone recommend a good software for doing screencasts on debian? |
| 17:38.16 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: see if open broadcaster is available |
| 17:38.29 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: otherwise even ffmpeg, is command line but is awesome |
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| 17:38.36 | cruncher | it doesnt matter free or nonfree, as you said it "works" i guess you have the correct firmware already, but check output with dmesg | grep firmware |
| 17:39.03 | cruncher | to see if something is missing or some error |
| 17:39.22 | cruncher | the firmware in either package is different |
| 17:39.50 | cruncher | best you make a paste of "dmesg | grep firmware" so we can see |
| 17:40.12 | cruncher | and let the pastebin page open ;-) |
| 17:40.42 | eskatrem | DebianCurious500: open broadcaster does screencast? |
| 17:41.15 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: yes that i remember |
| 17:41.27 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: but i moved definitively on ffmpeg |
| 17:41.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so... i'm reinstalling fastly debian in order to check if i didn't messed too much the things before |
| 17:41.57 | cruncher | ok |
| 17:42.01 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i will go with default pppoe debian installation right? |
| 17:42.11 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: at beginning TAB key and add modules=pppoe-udeb |
| 17:42.31 | DebianCurious500 | modules=ppp-udeb |
| 17:42.48 | cruncher | yes, add that paramter, or select expert install and select it from list |
| 17:42.49 | cruncher | as you want |
| 17:43.09 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: done, doing the install as fast i can |
| 17:43.18 | eskatrem | When I said "screen cast", I meant "record what's going on on my screen as a video" |
| 17:44.14 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: i know man :) and i know u could be like, he said ffmpeg ?? actually ffmpeg is more than just a transcoder, you can say him to use as input a virtual device |
| 17:44.35 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: as virtual device you can record whatever you want even in raw video |
| 17:44.44 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: it will take a shitload of space tought :p |
| 17:44.54 | eskatrem | DebianCurious500: oh ok! I thought there was a misunderstanding! |
| 17:45.03 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: or you could compress on the fly if you have enough cpu in h264 for example |
| 17:45.19 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: even process other things but u risk of frame skipping and hang if u go for too much things at same time |
| 17:45.23 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: let me grab a guide for u |
| 17:45.28 | eskatrem | by the way, what's "shitload" for you? |
| 17:46.04 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: 50 GB for 1 min of video |
| 17:46.23 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: xD try using huffyuv codec and u will see |
| 17:46.31 | eskatrem | DebianCurious500: oh that is a shitload :/ |
| 17:46.53 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: you could go for h264 in lossless mode |
| 17:47.15 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: is not supported by everyone but it will be a decent file to being re compressed with a more compatible profile after |
| 17:47.32 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: but go for profile ultrafast otherwise your pc will burn |
| 17:48.00 | eskatrem | seems that ffmpeg is a software that is dangerous to use |
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| 17:48.35 | aliasd | the ffmpeg thing is quite interesting |
| 17:48.36 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: xD if u don't know how to use it could fill your hd easily |
| 17:48.39 | DebianCurious500 | ffmpeg -video_size 1920x1080 -framerate 30 -f x11grab -i :0.0 -c:v libx264 -qp 0 -preset ultrafast capture.mkv |
| 17:48.45 | eskatrem | actually I don't even know how to install it, it's not in apt-cache, though I have ffmeg2theora installed already |
| 17:48.45 | DebianCurious500 | there you guys try this line |
| 17:49.01 | DebianCurious500 | and look this https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/Desktop |
| 17:49.27 | jelly | dpkg, tell eskatrem about jessie-backports |
| 17:49.34 | jelly | ,v ffmpeg |
| 17:49.35 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:2.8.4-1+b1; stretch: 7:2.8.4-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.5-dmo1; sid-multimedia: |
| 17:49.36 | judd | 10:2.8.4-dmo2 |
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| 17:49.54 | aliasd | how you can stream a video that sends any file on the target's linux to you - pretty scary stuff |
| 17:50.44 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, so the pppoe thing works completely, right? you are able to enter login/pw, connect to internet, etc, true? Only the disconnect-cable-thing doesnt work, did i understand it correctly? |
| 17:51.22 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: exactly man |
| 17:51.29 | eskatrem | and... concretely, how do I use those backports to get ffmpeg on my machine? |
| 17:51.31 | DebianCurious500 | aliasd: is scary xD |
| 17:51.39 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: u no need to use backports |
| 17:51.46 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: just install the current ver |
| 17:52.13 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: aliasd : http://superuser.com/questions/286675/how-to-install-ffmpeg-on-debian |
| 17:52.26 | eskatrem | DebianCurious500: by install, you mean: sudo apt-get install ffmpeg? apt tells me it's not available |
| 17:52.37 | jelly | dpkg, tell eskatrem about bdo |
| 17:52.37 | eskatrem | DebianCurious500: ok, checking your link (thanks a lot!) |
| 17:52.47 | jelly | read the instructions page |
| 17:52.57 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: long story time ago ffmpeg was in debian, then for a war inside ffmpeg project it forked in 2 |
| 17:53.18 | jelly | eskatrem: _avoid_ using deb-multimedia |
| 17:53.28 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: and it come out that debian adopted as package the libav-tools that is a fork rival of ffmpeg now |
| 17:53.51 | eskatrem | err... |
| 17:53.53 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: Option 3: Install ffmpeg from source <-- follow this |
| 17:53.54 | jelly | eskatrem: the answers of that page are outdated. |
| 17:54.14 | jelly | DebianCurious500: no need to, just use jessie-backports |
| 17:54.22 | eskatrem | now I understand why people are using macs :-( |
| 17:54.33 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: k nvm xD follow what jelly says :) |
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| 17:54.50 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: compile it from sources will get the latest but it take lot of time |
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| 17:55.29 | eskatrem | DebianCurious500: yeah I gonna compile it from source during the night |
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| 17:56.17 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: if u have a win machine and want to try it on windows for experiments you could get the zeranoe ffmpeg builds |
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| 17:57.57 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: almost done with the setup |
| 17:58.05 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i have a slow net here |
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| 17:58.42 | eskatrem | thanks guys, downloading ffmpeg now... |
| 17:58.49 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: :) |
| 17:59.00 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: it's a total new world compared classic tools and apps |
| 17:59.14 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: you can do also filters and stuff |
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| 17:59.33 | eskatrem | filter?? |
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| 18:00.08 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: add text, burn in subtitles, resize the media, shift the colors, deinterlace, change time base, blur, sharpen, and a shitload of other ops |
| 18:00.10 | eskatrem | In fact all I need is to makde videos of my screen to demo a web app I'm building |
| 18:00.26 | eskatrem | And you do that from command line, DebianCurious500? |
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| 18:00.34 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: exactly |
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| 18:00.52 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: at beginning is hard but after some use is super useful and sweet :p |
| 18:00.57 | aZz2eCh | Q: how are you suppose to recover from gnome being completely locked up? has happened often enough since starting on debian, its getting a little old. everywhere you read that 'gone are the days of rebooting or crashing when you switch to linux' .. but i'm at a complete loss as to how I can recover from my entire desktop being frozen (apart from mouse moving) without hard powering off the machine ... which... 3 times now has left seri |
| 18:00.57 | hurdam | Hey Im working on a preseed file (jessie) and it keeps asking me about proxy info, I have already included d-i mirror/http/proxy string. Does anyone know what I'm missing? |
| 18:00.58 | aZz2eCh | ous things unsaved/lost |
| 18:01.07 | eskatrem | something like ffmeg --add-subtitles video-file.mkv subtitles.txt ? |
| 18:01.34 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: the sintax is not that one but it works like that yes |
| 18:01.49 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: you can do literally everything even completely remap the 5.1 channels and so on |
| 18:02.27 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: for example i have a lot of recorded video in mpeg2 from my tv card |
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| 18:02.59 | DebianCurious500 | eskatrem: good quality but they take too much space, i will batch conver them to h265 with a smaller bitrate having zero perceived video quality loss |
| 18:03.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: im here |
| 18:03.53 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: installation done |
| 18:03.59 | canvon | \o/ |
| 18:04.30 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, ok, then right after login, i'd like to see 3 pastes, all output of "ifconfig", "dmesg | grep firmware", and /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:04.48 | cruncher | the firmware is just to be sure there is no error |
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| 18:04.56 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: a moment, i will log with ssh :P |
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| 18:08.38 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://paste.linux.chat/view/e89a4642 http://paste.linux.chat/view/ea869440 |
| 18:08.51 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: dmesg is coming |
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| 18:09.43 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://paste.linux.chat/view/a55569dd |
| 18:10.07 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i can say the latter is inconsistent because we are not interested in wifi or bluetooth |
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| 18:10.36 | cruncher | yes, its all wifi messages, that can wait |
| 18:10.54 | cruncher | can you do a lsmod | grep pppoe |
| 18:11.50 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://paste.linux.chat/view/80f7a538 |
| 18:11.56 | cruncher | and does the file /proc/net/pppoe exist? |
| 18:12.20 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yes |
| 18:12.36 | cruncher | ok, and right now, as it is, can you connect to internet? |
| 18:12.46 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: now obviously yes... |
| 18:12.55 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: the mess happens when i plug the cable out ! |
| 18:12.55 | cruncher | i meanm do it please :) |
| 18:13.12 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: im connected |
| 18:13.20 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: you want me to unplug and replug the cable ? |
| 18:13.33 | cruncher | just unplug, and check what device is gone (first) |
| 18:13.45 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: unplugged |
| 18:13.52 | cruncher | maybe wait 1 minute if there is a timeout |
| 18:14.13 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: if i go for ifconfig ppp0 the device is still there |
| 18:14.24 | cruncher | no do only ifconfig |
| 18:14.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: because he doesn't recognize instantly of the ppp0 passing by |
| 18:14.37 | cruncher | is the device still there? |
| 18:14.40 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ye |
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| 18:14.57 | cruncher | pls paste ifconfig output |
| 18:15.01 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: in some seconds it will be removed btw |
| 18:15.09 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: gone! |
| 18:15.20 | cruncher | did you do a ifconfig while it was there? |
| 18:15.20 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: now i have only eth0 and lo |
| 18:15.37 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is the ifconfig i shared to you |
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| 18:16.06 | cruncher | i mean after unplugging. i want to see if anything changed |
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| 18:16.37 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i can't i should copy pasta everything manually because i have no ssh access to the machine no xD |
| 18:16.39 | DebianCurious500 | now |
| 18:16.44 | DebianCurious500 | * |
| 18:17.02 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but is just the ppp0 gone and the eth0 and lo are still there |
| 18:17.14 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i will check if something changed on eth0 gimme a sec |
| 18:17.53 | cruncher | no, just ppp0 is important |
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| 18:18.02 | cruncher | eth0 should not go down |
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| 18:18.25 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: anything changed except for ppp0 disappeared |
| 18:18.49 | cruncher | do a dmesg |
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| 18:18.52 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i know but ppp0 rely on eth0 |
| 18:18.54 | DebianCurious500 | k wait |
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| 18:19.42 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: the only interesting line at the end is r8169 0000:03:00.0 eth0: link down |
| 18:19.53 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: all the other things happened tons of time before |
| 18:20.33 | cruncher | can you paste it? at least all the last lines regarding the unplugging |
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| 18:20.55 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i wonder how, lemme try to make a photo |
| 18:21.08 | cruncher | you can export it to file |
| 18:21.24 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ok then you say reboot and grab the line ? |
| 18:21.34 | cruncher | no need |
| 18:22.07 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: this machine has only ppp0 for the external access xD so yes i have to reboot |
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| 18:22.24 | canvon | cruncher: as I understand it, his SSH connection went through the public IP address which is now gone (with the ppp0 interface) |
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| 18:22.45 | cruncher | aha, so you can install firmware-iwlwifi to have access |
| 18:23.04 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yeah but i'm not interest in messing with wifi too after xD |
| 18:23.21 | cruncher | i thought he is physically on the machine, and using ssh just for laziness :) |
| 18:23.22 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: rebooting and you will have your pastebin |
| 18:23.41 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i am on physical machine but with putty i can copy pasta |
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| 18:24.10 | ruehrkuchen | hates dual boot debian+win10 -- win10 overwrites the boot loader every month |
| 18:24.19 | cruncher | you are on windows with putty? |
| 18:24.29 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ye |
| 18:24.30 | cruncher | you can select the text, press right mouse button, ten paste it somewhere |
| 18:24.40 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is exactly what i'm doing ^^ |
| 18:25.22 | cruncher | anyway, seems all ok until now |
| 18:25.42 | cruncher | and your problem is wat exactly? after plugging it back it doesnt work until you do a ifdown/ifup? |
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| 18:26.35 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://pastebin.com/Dz4k4X3J |
| 18:26.51 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: this are the last lines |
| 18:27.04 | cruncher | after unplugging? |
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| 18:27.12 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: after unplugging and replugging |
| 18:27.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i needed to replug and reboot to access via ssh |
| 18:27.50 | ruehrkuchen | how can i enable the ssh installation method? need to reinstall my server :( |
| 18:28.42 | cruncher | but as you need now to enter commands, i suggest you install the wifi firmware |
| 18:28.43 | teraflops | ruehrkuchen: use the expert install and follow the steps till it asks for ssh installation method |
| 18:28.44 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i'm curious too, you need a loader that mails you with the ip and ssh pass ? |
| 18:29.13 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nah i will just configure a second the eth1 interface |
| 18:29.28 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: the box has 2 eths |
| 18:29.29 | cruncher | ok, just have access through ssh |
| 18:29.42 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: gimme a moment |
| 18:29.48 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: it's a dedicated server, i only can access the remote console, access the bios remotely, start, stop, and reboot, and perform a new installation request using the datacenter's pxe |
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| 18:31.02 | ruehrkuchen | and the remote console is so slow and buggy |
| 18:31.16 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: as usual happens xD :\ |
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| 18:32.25 | ruehrkuchen | after pressing a button, i have to wait 10 seconds until i see the next screen |
| 18:32.31 | ruehrkuchen | :( |
| 18:33.08 | ruehrkuchen | teraflops: thanks! :) |
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| 18:33.39 | teraflops | ruehrkuchen: yeah those romote consoles sucks :) |
| 18:33.59 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: im here with dp |
| 18:34.06 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: err.. double access ;P |
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| 18:35.06 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i can type command even if i bring the ppp0 down |
| 18:35.13 | cruncher | unplug now |
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| 18:35.28 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: done captain! |
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| 18:35.32 | cruncher | and wait until the ppp0 is gone |
| 18:35.37 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: k |
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| 18:35.59 | ruehrkuchen | teraflops: yeah, found the option, thanks, ssh works now |
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| 18:36.34 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: can i ask a question instead |
| 18:36.45 | teraflops | ruehrkuchen: is a nice feature, isnt it? :) |
| 18:36.54 | ruehrkuchen | teraflops: it is |
| 18:37.01 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: hm? |
| 18:37.16 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i remember on a certain datacenter that some people in past loaded a specific iso that allowed a remote vnc + ssh access by mailing the temporary root password at the moment |
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| 18:37.28 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: there is some kind of bootable iso that allows that? :p |
| 18:37.39 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: they called in past vkvm |
| 18:37.58 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: hmm, i only seen this method on kvm servers, but never on dedicated servers |
| 18:38.08 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, when its gone, just type "pon provider" (maybe with sudo) |
| 18:38.10 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: awesome alternative to costly lilo, drac cards... |
| 18:38.16 | tharkun | ruehrkuchen: Win10 overwrites the boot loader? Is that a documented fact? |
| 18:38.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: sudo? on debian ? i'm already root |
| 18:38.52 | ruehrkuchen | tharkun: no, but every windows build upgrade performs like a new clean install, and it overwrites the boot loader |
| 18:38.57 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: wait, i have to replug it first right ? |
| 18:39.00 | teraflops | tharkun: in bios+mbr it does for sure |
| 18:39.01 | cruncher | then dont type sudo :) |
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| 18:39.13 | cruncher | of course, plug it back in |
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| 18:39.44 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: yes, but i don't know their setup, and don't want to if it works :P |
| 18:39.46 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ok xD let me try |
| 18:40.08 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: was a nice setup by the european OVH provider |
| 18:40.13 | tharkun | S#1? I have several of those running around. Is there a documented way to fix the boot loader or is it a pain. |
| 18:40.32 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: they removed it however so they can sell 150⬠ip management cards.. -.-' |
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| 18:41.02 | ruehrkuchen | :P |
| 18:41.13 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: root@box:~# pon provider Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded. |
| 18:41.23 | cruncher | does it have internet now? |
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| 18:41.30 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: any chance to paste messages with \n ? |
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| 18:41.44 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nope, ppp0 is not here ! |
| 18:41.55 | DebianCurious500 | and if i do a nice plog |
| 18:42.08 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: well, i never tried OVH, but many people like them, have to check their service etc out |
| 18:42.31 | cruncher | check if pppd is runnning (ps -ax | grep pppd) |
| 18:42.33 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: this is what happen http://pastebin.com/L5r7pQC2 |
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| 18:42.54 | tharkun | Or they check the mac of the connecting device to avoid giving services for free. |
| 18:43.19 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i have a server from them but it's a mess, i runned esxi on it but the server always reboots and for no apparent reason |
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| 18:43.33 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i guess problems with heat control.. they says not but it's too randomic |
| 18:43.43 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: after installing esxi it reboots every time? |
| 18:43.54 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: also happened continuously during the super heat summer of this year |
| 18:44.09 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: no, not like this but i mean really unstable |
| 18:44.10 | ruehrkuchen | that's bad :( |
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| 18:44.24 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: their hardware is poor |
| 18:44.37 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, do a "poff -a" |
| 18:44.54 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: more their setup i think, i'm not sure they vent the northbridges |
| 18:45.03 | ruehrkuchen | i'm at hetzner, and some weeks ago one of my hard disks crashed, they replaced it, and i got a hard disk that was already in use, from an old customer, loöl |
| 18:45.13 | cruncher | do you get a "No pppd is running. None stopped."? |
| 18:45.31 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: lol same shit in any dc, they do too much stuff like that |
| 18:45.41 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: no i get no messages |
| 18:45.49 | cruncher | good |
| 18:45.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: just accepted the command and no complains |
| 18:46.02 | cruncher | now again "pon provider" |
| 18:46.11 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: if i do it a second time it happens though |
| 18:46.23 | DebianCurious500 | Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded. |
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| 18:46.34 | cruncher | yes, normal as it couldnt find anymore connections the 2nd time as they were closed the first time |
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| 18:46.38 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: and... nothing happenz |
| 18:46.44 | cruncher | dmesg |
| 18:46.56 | teraflops | ruehrkuchen: I remember having some vps' in hetzner, it's from austria right? |
| 18:47.05 | cruncher | same like the last pastebin? |
| 18:47.20 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: still this http://pastebin.com/CUsAuuzH |
| 18:47.30 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: let me check the dmesg |
| 18:47.43 | cruncher | did you do a "ps -ax | grep ppd"? |
| 18:47.49 | ruehrkuchen | teraflops: hetzner is also in germany, and in america too |
| 18:47.56 | cruncher | s/ppd/pppd |
| 18:48.28 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://pastebin.com/gjP6wDUK |
| 18:49.03 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: 823 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/pppd call provider |
| 18:49.09 | cruncher | i guess pppd is not closed correctly |
| 18:49.23 | cruncher | killall -9 pppd |
| 18:49.35 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: [19:47] <cruncher> s/ppd/pppd ?? |
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| 18:49.44 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is a command to give ? |
| 18:49.48 | cruncher | no :) |
| 18:49.52 | DebianCurious500 | ah ok xD |
| 18:50.05 | cruncher | was a type of mine, and it means replace ppd with pppd |
| 18:50.13 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: oh lol |
| 18:50.21 | cruncher | bjust do the "killall -9 pppd" |
| 18:50.27 | cruncher | then "pon provider" |
| 18:50.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: killed the poor pppds... |
| 18:50.35 | DebianCurious500 | aye aye |
| 18:50.48 | DebianCurious500 | Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded. |
| 18:50.51 | ruehrkuchen | i tried to setup a pppoe client too, for replacing my isp's router, but they reject any other router, with "Timeout waiting for PADO packets" as reason :O |
| 18:51.03 | cruncher | same problem he has now ;-) |
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| 18:51.07 | canvon | ruehrkuchen: have you tried using VLAN 7? |
| 18:51.14 | cruncher | but at least it works initially for him |
| 18:51.28 | ruehrkuchen | canvon: doesn't the vlan id varies by countries and providers? |
| 18:51.38 | cruncher | but i think we are solving this soon |
| 18:51.40 | ruehrkuchen | my isp uses vlan 5 |
| 18:51.42 | DebianCurious500 | you could try everything u want but imho is eth0 that comes back on a weird state :p |
| 18:51.52 | canvon | ruehrkuchen: oh i see |
| 18:52.03 | cruncher | did you do a "pon provider"? |
| 18:52.08 | DebianCurious500 | eth0 is evil, is also unconfigured and always says yeah man i'm up... bwha |
| 18:52.13 | cruncher | i saw you did, but did it work? |
| 18:52.26 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i did and ppp0 is still not here :\ |
| 18:52.28 | canvon | ruehrkuchen: just as an idea you could try using the ISP router's MAC address |
| 18:52.29 | DebianCurious500 | and... |
| 18:52.34 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, configured != up |
| 18:52.46 | ruehrkuchen | after asking my isp, they said their pppoe server or whatever they called is bound to the mac address from their own routers that the customers get |
| 18:52.48 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: in plog is still waiting for PADO packets |
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| 18:52.58 | ruehrkuchen | canvon: tried that too, they blocked it too |
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| 18:53.13 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, ok, another test to see if it works even normally |
| 18:53.20 | canvon | ruehrkuchen: :( |
| 18:53.45 | ruehrkuchen | but in july, i can build my own router, the law were changed :P |
| 18:53.45 | DebianCurious500 | [19:52] <cruncher> DebianCurious500, configured != up ?? |
| 18:53.45 | cruncher | reboot, and then do not unplug, just type "poff -a" to disconnect, wait some seconds, and type "pon provider" |
| 18:53.56 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: that will work for sure |
| 18:54.01 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but i will do it |
| 18:54.09 | cruncher | means just because a if is configured it doesnt mean its up |
| 18:54.35 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but if you go in ifconfig you will see her UP RUNNING BROADCAST... fjgsjdfhgjsfhjgshf |
| 18:54.51 | cruncher | yes, thats normal |
| 18:55.06 | cruncher | dont worry about that |
| 18:55.11 | DebianCurious500 | there's no way to kill that fakin interface, maybe with fire.. |
| 18:55.21 | canvon | cruncher: I guess you could also walk him through using eth0 with in internal IP address in the LAN, and see if that still works after replugging? |
| 18:55.24 | DebianCurious500 | ok rebooted |
| 18:55.26 | ruehrkuchen | canvon: http://www.noerr.com/en/press-publications/News/German%20Government%20Releases%20Planned%20Draft%20Legislation%20to%20Ban%20Branded%20WiFi%20Routers.aspx |
| 18:55.29 | ruehrkuchen | and i can't wait |
| 18:55.30 | ruehrkuchen | :( |
| 18:55.43 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i can setup fastly a dhcp in case |
| 18:56.30 | DebianCurious500 | aand |
| 18:56.36 | cruncher | canvon, sure, we could do that to test that |
| 18:56.39 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: did the test, first poff -a |
| 18:56.49 | cruncher | but i really doubt it will help, at least it shouldnt matter |
| 18:56.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: then pon connect and everything works fine |
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| 18:57.02 | cruncher | ok, good to know |
| 18:57.04 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is super fast and if i want with again pon provider i will get also ppp1 with another ip |
| 18:57.19 | canvon | DebianCurious500: :) |
| 18:57.23 | ruehrkuchen | you get an ip now? |
| 18:57.28 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: and i will takeover internet by wasting ip of my provider with 18457889758947395 ppp conns |
| 18:57.52 | cruncher | but easier with a fixed ip than to setup dhcpd now |
| 18:58.14 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: fixed ip is like fighting gozilla with hot dog sized swords |
| 18:58.22 | ruehrkuchen | lol |
| 18:58.40 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: he deosn't give a f if i setup with static ip he will be always with his ip not caring if i have the cable plugged in or not |
| 18:58.50 | canvon | ruehrkuchen: did that law really make it through? I thought so before, then thought it didn't make it. mmh... |
| 18:59.08 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, it should not matter if eth0 has a static ip |
| 18:59.14 | cruncher | but just to satisfy another test |
| 18:59.19 | ruehrkuchen | canvon: they did that, and at 01.07.2016 i can choose the router i like |
| 18:59.20 | cruncher | although we proved it works like this |
| 18:59.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: can i try to use dhcp? |
| 18:59.25 | DebianCurious500 | please please :p |
| 18:59.43 | cruncher | the problem is somwhere else.. the device does come down properly if cable is disconnected |
| 18:59.43 | DebianCurious500 | at least to see if it works with eth0 too |
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| 19:00.03 | canvon | ruehrkuchen: \o/ |
| 19:00.06 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: im unsure |
| 19:00.22 | ruehrkuchen | canvon: the providers cann recommend me their owned router, if they like, useful for peoples who don't understand how to configure that etc, but i'm not anymore forced to choose and use it |
| 19:00.36 | canvon | ruehrkuchen: sounds nice |
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| 19:01.34 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i setuppd it with dhcp |
| 19:01.44 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, i had similar troubles once with wifi cards... |
| 19:02.06 | cruncher | another test: unplug the cable, and then remove the module pppoe |
| 19:02.13 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: a sec |
| 19:02.16 | ruehrkuchen | but, if i setup my router, i won't get any technical support for my router, only technical support if they did something wrong with their infrastructure or something went wrong ... but peoples who use their own router don't need support, they should know what to do :D |
| 19:02.19 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: let me try the dhcp |
| 19:02.22 | ruehrkuchen | canvon: ^^ |
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| 19:03.11 | DebianCurious500 | ok now what i have |
| 19:03.13 | cruncher | do a "modprobe -r pppoe" to remove it |
| 19:03.21 | DebianCurious500 | dhcp gave me the 192.168.1.3 |
| 19:03.26 | DebianCurious500 | now i plugged out the cable |
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| 19:03.38 | DebianCurious500 | eth0 still consider me on 192.168.1.3 ... now i will replug it |
| 19:03.46 | DebianCurious500 | and see also if dhcpd have throubles |
| 19:04.21 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: are you setting up your own router? :) |
| 19:04.36 | canvon | DebianCurious500: could you ping the 192.168.1.3 before plugging? can you ping it after replugging? |
| 19:04.47 | canvon | *before unplugging |
| 19:04.48 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: indeed is the test im doing |
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| 19:04.59 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: before plugging out i was able to access 192.168.1.3 |
| 19:05.04 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: now not anymore :P |
| 19:05.15 | ruehrkuchen | waits for an answer :( |
| 19:05.16 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: so the problem is not pppoe related but eth0 related |
| 19:05.21 | canvon | oh dear, so it's really the eth0 and not the PPPoE |
| 19:05.25 | canvon | DebianCurious500: yeah |
| 19:05.40 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: not rly, is a sort of firewall hardware for my nas |
| 19:05.47 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 19:05.59 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: here we are |
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| 19:06.03 | ruehrkuchen | ah, sounds cool |
| 19:06.11 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: dhcp have the same problem |
| 19:06.21 | cruncher | bring eth0 down and back up again, then try a pon provider |
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| 19:06.24 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: eth0 didn't noticed at all the fact i plugged out then in |
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| 19:07.01 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i can't get any new ip, is always the old one but if i try to ping from the outside it doesn't work, same for inside to outside |
| 19:07.17 | cruncher | you will get the same ip again |
| 19:07.22 | canvon | DebianCurious500: the fact that on a higher layer the interface stays up, and keeps its IPv4 address, is normal. |
| 19:07.32 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it should |
| 19:07.34 | ruehrkuchen | everytime i see "pon" i read "porn", something's wrong with me :O |
| 19:07.38 | dury | gnome-desktop-item-edit /home/YOURUSERNAME/Desktop --create-new command not found how can I solve it |
| 19:07.50 | Lime__ | aye me too |
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| 19:08.02 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: but should work instead he is still thiking to be online but is not |
| 19:08.14 | cruncher | no, you will get the same ip as the lease time has not ended |
| 19:08.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yes |
| 19:08.43 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: indeed my problem is not the one of getting another ip, the mac address is the same and the lease is still here np |
| 19:08.47 | cruncher | so, can you ping now 192.168.1.3? does "pon provider" work now? |
| 19:08.55 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: any of them works |
| 19:09.02 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is like the adapter is freezed |
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| 19:09.13 | cruncher | did you bring it down and up again? |
| 19:09.14 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: adapter thinks to be still online while is not |
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| 19:09.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: /sbin/ifdown eth0 then up ? |
| 19:09.40 | cruncher | try that |
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| 19:09.53 | canvon | I think eth0 is not configured in his /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:09.53 | DebianCurious500 | wait |
| 19:09.59 | cruncher | no need to type the full path though |
| 19:10.20 | DebianCurious500 | it took a load but is gone up by himself |
| 19:10.39 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i configured it to dhcp for do this test |
| 19:10.41 | cruncher | yes, its still on manual.. but as he installed the dhcp server, he/it updated it or did a manual dhclient eth0 to get the ip |
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| 19:10.48 | canvon | DebianCurious500: oh, my mistake |
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| 19:11.16 | Lime__ | dury: you need the package 'gnome-fallback' |
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| 19:11.36 | bazhang | ,v gnome-fallback |
| 19:11.38 | judd | No package named 'gnome-fallback' was found in amd64. |
| 19:11.44 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: cruncher : just did this: http://pastebin.com/3G4dq8qW |
| 19:12.02 | bazhang | ,v gnome-fallback-session |
| 19:12.03 | judd | No package named 'gnome-fallback-session' was found in amd64. |
| 19:12.17 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, and again you have ppp before eth0... why? |
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| 19:12.34 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: IS DEBIAN INSTALLER who makes it like that xDD |
| 19:12.46 | cruncher | i thought so :) |
| 19:13.01 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: if you want i can change it |
| 19:13.10 | cruncher | change order of eth0 & ppp0 |
| 19:14.00 | dury | Lime_, bazhang, judd, which is it then? |
| 19:14.01 | Lime__ | could just install the i386 you NEED the package |
| 19:14.13 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: like this ? http://pastebin.com/ND6MqGU7 |
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| 19:14.33 | teraflops | bazhang: it's gnome-session-fallback :) |
| 19:14.40 | DebianCurious500 | rebooting and trying to do again the plug out and in stuff |
| 19:14.47 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, ok |
| 19:14.49 | dury | Lime_: i386 installed |
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| 19:14.58 | DebianCurious500 | i think somehow that dhcp made pppoe go work back |
| 19:15.08 | DebianCurious500 | in the unplugged / plugged case |
| 19:15.39 | Lime__ | sudo apt-get install gnome-session-...:i386 |
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| 19:17.10 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: still waiting it to revive after plug out in |
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| 19:17.39 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: could it be some sort of refuse by the modem to make the machine insta redo the connections ? |
| 19:18.46 | cruncher | you could also try to put ppp on antoher interface to see if there is a issue with the realtek chip/driver |
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| 19:19.24 | cruncher | maybe a usb device? or check on another pc? |
| 19:19.40 | dury | success :-) |
| 19:19.42 | cruncher | its just the device is not brought down/up properly on unplugging |
| 19:19.53 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yes and no |
| 19:20.28 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i mean if u go in the /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier |
| 19:20.35 | DebianCurious500 | you will see 1 and 0 |
| 19:20.40 | DebianCurious500 | well written |
| 19:20.48 | DebianCurious500 | if i unplug or plug |
| 19:21.02 | DebianCurious500 | so the system pretty knows when i plug back or not |
| 19:21.05 | KellerFuchs | I have some automation that sets the list of installed packages with to following commands: |
| 19:21.12 | KellerFuchs | dpkg --clear-selection |
| 19:21.13 | dpkg | KellerFuchs: i haven't a clue |
| 19:21.14 | canvon | DebianCurious500: perhaps try using the other network interface and see if that comes back after unplugging/replugging? |
| 19:21.17 | cruncher | also do the unplug test without ppp |
| 19:21.20 | cruncher | just on eth0 |
| 19:21.20 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: k without doing ANYthing |
| 19:21.24 | DebianCurious500 | now is gone back |
| 19:21.28 | cruncher | to check if its ONLY eth0 related |
| 19:21.28 | KellerFuchs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.28 | dpkg | KellerFuchs: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:21.38 | canvon | DebianCurious500: how long did that approximately take? |
| 19:21.42 | KellerFuchs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.44 | frfs | so what is a rack |
| 19:21.46 | DebianCurious500 | 10 minutes at least |
| 19:21.51 | canvon | DebianCurious500: /o\ |
| 19:22.17 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: \o/ <( me is sad ) |
| 19:22.22 | KellerFuchs | Is it the right way to do that, and how to I make sure that dpkg doesn't popup a dialogue or something while the script is running? |
| 19:22.30 | canvon | DebianCurious500: try the same procedure with eth1 and see if that comes back. or try resetting the eth0 hard, via unloading and reloading the driver module |
| 19:22.48 | Lime__ | dury: excellent - here is an excellent resource https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 19:22.48 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: more than this i would like to go back disable the settings on eth0 |
| 19:22.55 | DebianCurious500 | remove the dhcp |
| 19:22.55 | cruncher | well, i have to go now anway for some time, ill be back later.. maybe someone else/canvon can guide you through further tests |
| 19:23.05 | DebianCurious500 | and see if the pppoe works the same |
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| 19:23.34 | canvon | cruncher: thanks for your help |
| 19:23.44 | dury | Lime_: thanks really appreciate it :-) <3 |
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| 19:23.52 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: let's try |
| 19:23.59 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: but i fear that without dhcp will not work |
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| 19:24.37 | dury | Lime_: bookmarked :-) |
| 19:24.39 | canvon | DebianCurious500: I don't have much spare strength anymore I fear :) this is taking frustratingly long |
| 19:25.03 | canvon | DebianCurious500: what are you trying to do now? |
| 19:25.17 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i will go indeed taking a nice shower and a good dinner at pub after ;) |
| 19:25.34 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: beer comes first than debian :p |
| 19:25.42 | canvon | hehe |
| 19:26.04 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: trying without dhcp |
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| 19:26.16 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: and checking how much time it take by measuring |
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| 19:26.52 | dury | need to go for cooking for all us here :-) cheeersss |
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| 19:27.19 | dury | bb |
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| 19:27.55 | cruncher | np, you are welcome |
| 19:28.06 | atralheaven | Hello |
| 19:28.06 | cruncher | i will be here later if you want to try more |
| 19:28.34 | cruncher | thinks best would be to isolate the box, and give root access :p |
| 19:28.44 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: well first of all thank you you all very much for the time spent |
| 19:28.54 | atralheaven | I want to know how much ram usage of gnome3 and xfce are different? |
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| 19:29.19 | DebianCurious500 | 3:15 minutes passed and still not internet back |
| 19:29.41 | flavi0 | Where is the prompt set for csh shells? on this system csh is my default shell and I want to give it a go. However I don't see where for csh (not tcsh) the prompt is being set. If I run csh prompt is not set. |
| 19:29.53 | DebianCurious500 | but i don't want the dhcp on the eth0 |
| 19:29.59 | DebianCurious500 | absolutely not |
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| 19:30.41 | flavi0 | If I run tcsh the prompt is set from /etc/csh.cshrc where it is in a block if($?tcsh &&...) so that makes sense. This is in a chroot. In the host system I'm also running csh and there *is* a prompt, but I don't manage to find from where it is set. |
| 19:31.10 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: xD i could give u root access but then what who could plug out and in the cable when needed xD |
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| 19:31.57 | canvon | DebianCurious500: you can run PPPoE via another interface than eth0 by specifying in the pppd peers file: nic-eth1 |
| 19:32.08 | canvon | (or just eth1 in the case of eth*) |
| 19:33.03 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, you when told on the chat ;-) but i will look more into this later |
| 19:33.06 | cruncher | bye for now |
| 19:33.17 | canvon | cu cruncher |
| 19:34.23 | teraflops | flavi0: set prompt=whatever in your ~/.cshrc? |
| 19:34.25 | flavi0 | ah it's in profile. I don't see why that would make sense (there's if[$BASH...] else) but wll. |
| 19:34.35 | flavi0 | teraflops: was just wondering where the default setting was coming from |
| 19:34.44 | teraflops | ah the default ones |
| 19:34.54 | canvon | DebianCurious500: afk |
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| 19:36.23 | teraflops | flavi0: you get $? |
| 19:36.48 | teraflops | it's the default one, it comes from the void I guess :P |
| 19:37.21 | flavi0 | teraflops: hmhm... it's not in profile after all that relates just to PS1 for bourne shells, in csh you set prompt = ... |
| 19:37.32 | flavi0 | teraflops: I'm actually getting % (as user) |
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| 19:37.45 | teraflops | well sure % and $ for root |
| 19:37.50 | flavi0 | which is probably the csh default if none was set. |
| 19:37.56 | teraflops | that is |
| 19:38.10 | flavi0 | yeah BUT in the host system I *get* a prompt inside csh and I have no idea where that comes from. |
| 19:38.19 | teraflops | ah hmmm |
| 19:38.33 | flavi0 | grepping through the configs.. |
| 19:39.14 | DebianCurious500 | 13 min passed without reconnect |
| 19:41.14 | flavi0 | hum. nothing to be found. |
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| 19:41.44 | flavi0 | only difference is that i'm running testing in the chroot while stable on the host, maybe they removed the default prompt setting? seems unlikely.. |
| 19:41.51 | teraflops | flavi0: look for .profile, .login or something like that, i use ksh that seems to be similar afaik |
| 19:42.15 | teraflops | s/i use ksh/i use ksh n openbsd |
| 19:42.17 | flavi0 | teraflops: looked at all the usual suspects.. |
| 19:42.35 | flavi0 | very odd |
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| 19:43.19 | flavi0 | i mean, removed a default prompt setting in upstream csh, since the profile/cshrc etc. are identical afaict |
| 19:43.58 | flavi0 | whatever, will just set it in my own cshrc. just slightly unsatisfying :) |
| 19:44.02 | jelly | blinks at csh usage |
| 19:44.04 | jhutchins | atralheaven: Linux is pretty much going to use all of your ram regardless of what you run. |
| 19:44.28 | teraflops | flavi0: indeed it's a weird choice for debian |
| 19:44.34 | atralheaven | solved, thanks. |
| 19:44.37 | jhutchins | atralheaven: xfce is simpler and will use fewer resources, but it's not as complete a software suite. |
| 19:44.43 | atralheaven | how can I send a file to a virtual machine in gnome boxes? |
| 19:44.51 | flavi0 | teraflops: yeah I wonder why the admins chose it. will ask them on monday. |
| 19:45.09 | jelly | ,v csh |
| 19:45.11 | judd | Package: csh on amd64 -- squeeze: 20070713-2; wheezy: 20110502-2; sid: 20110502-2.1; jessie: 20110502-2.1; stretch: 20110502-2.1 |
| 19:45.11 | teraflops | flavi0: because they are used freebsd I guess |
| 19:45.16 | teraflops | to* |
| 19:45.18 | atralheaven | jhutchins: right, its more about being simple and minimal than ram usage |
| 19:45.26 | jhutchins | atralheaven: Depends on the virtualization, usually you mount a shared folder. |
| 19:45.31 | flavi0 | same version... |
| 19:45.40 | flavi0 | shrugs |
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| 19:45.54 | atralheaven | jhutchins: how can I share a folder? I ran windows on gnome boxes |
| 19:46.05 | jhutchins | atralheaven: Depends on the software. |
| 19:46.07 | teraflops | flavi0: just do `bash` and press intro :P |
| 19:46.14 | jhutchins | atralheaven: I've mostly used Parallels and VMWare. |
| 19:46.24 | jhutchins | atralheaven: You can also copy files with scp or rsync. |
| 19:46.25 | atralheaven | jhutchins: I use gnome boxes |
| 19:46.36 | flavi0 | have always been using bash and a bit of zsh, since this system came with csh default I figured what the heck might use the occasion to learn about csh. |
| 19:46.56 | jhutchins | atralheaven: I don't use gnome, but I don't know of anything VM specific in it. |
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| 19:49.44 | flavi0 | teraflops: actually i had been doing that, running bash from my .cshrc, however ran into problems somehow running the chroot env from my xsession and also with dmenu launcher (i3) inside the chroot env |
| 19:49.46 | teraflops | atralheaven: gnome boxes uses libvirt if im not mistaken i think you just can share a folder and use smb |
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| 19:50.24 | atralheaven | teraflops: may you explain more? how can I do it? |
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| 19:50.34 | teraflops | flavi0: heh looks like a culsterfuck, you are not allowed to just chsh there? |
| 19:50.34 | flavi0 | teraflops: removing the shell-within-shell again solved those issues and I didn't want to investigate further so I said ok stick with csh for now :) |
| 19:50.52 | teraflops | atralheaven: yes, use samba |
| 19:51.03 | flavi0 | no cluster, it's a workstation actually.. |
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| 19:51.20 | flavi0 | hah didn't know about chsh lemme see |
| 19:51.34 | flavi0 | You may not change the shell for 'user'. |
| 19:51.40 | flavi0 | great :D |
| 19:52.16 | flavi0 | Well I'll stick with it, always fun to learn something about different tools but still I don't get where that prompt setting comes from. Hope I won't have sleepless nights because of it... |
| 19:52.27 | teraflops | hmm im not native english perhaps I missused the clusterfuck word |
| 19:52.55 | flavi0 | oh me neither, didn't know that's a word actually hehe *looking up* |
| 19:53.10 | flavi0 | ahh i see :) |
| 19:54.42 | flavi0 | well yeah, but I kinda got everything worked out nicely. They won't give me root on my workstation and are running stable which is well.. notoriously outdated for developer systems. They won't administer testing, so I'm running a full testing userspace in a proot on top of the stable kernel and X server now :) |
| 19:55.00 | teraflops | heh |
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| 19:58.39 | Talltree | guys can you maybe look at this init.d script and tell me if it there is an error in it? http://pastebin.com/VwaixRxK i am really lost and checked everything else nearly. |
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| 20:04.12 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: without dhcp not working after 38 mins |
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| 20:05.16 | canvon | DebianCurious500: :\ (re) |
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| 20:06.25 | canvon | DebianCurious500: have you tested the unplugging/replugging with eth1, too? |
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| 20:07.49 | canvon | DebianCurious500: (re: 38 mins: I don't think a time of this length would be meaningful) |
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| 20:11.35 | siery | Hey. Is there any config file to set up the way my devices are booting? I don't want newly connected devices to boot at /media |
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| 20:16.39 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: hmm is a static ip |
| 20:16.42 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: it will always work |
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| 20:18.42 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i was sure of that |
| 20:18.49 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: eth1 gone back very soon |
| 20:18.53 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: so i can connect back :) |
| 20:19.03 | canvon | :) |
| 20:19.31 | canvon | DebianCurious500: so you could run your PPPoE through eth1 |
| 20:19.54 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: naaah |
| 20:19.57 | canvon | DebianCurious500: as for eth0, you could try unloading the driver module and reloading it. that could reset it the hard way |
| 20:20.01 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: also is not this |
| 20:20.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: if i setup a ip on eth0 |
| 20:20.17 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: probably it will fly well the same |
| 20:20.25 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: the problem is with eth0 with no configuration |
| 20:20.30 | flavi0 | teraflops: ok.. so I was actually running tcsh in the host system and bsd-csh in the 'guest', which was set with alternatives. used update-alternatives now to use tcsh as well and I get the same prompt. strangely if I issue tcsh directly I get *yet* a different prompt (> instead of %) however I won't investigate that any further for now :) |
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| 20:20.40 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: how i can unload the driver ? |
| 20:20.44 | DebianCurious500 | ciao flavi0 |
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| 20:21.21 | flavi0 | DebianCurious500: ciao! |
| 20:21.42 | DebianCurious500 | flavi0: ho pensato 95/100 è ita |
| 20:21.48 | flavi0 | (i'm not italian/spanish) :D |
| 20:21.53 | canvon | DebianCurious500: "rmmod rtl8..." or "modprobe -r rtl8..." I think. look in "lsmod". There is the possibility to get the driver module name via /sys or ethtool IIRC, but don't have the specifics at hand |
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| 20:22.55 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: r8169 ? |
| 20:23.04 | canvon | DebianCurious500: probably |
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| 20:23.30 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: how i can go get it back ? |
| 20:23.37 | DebianCurious500 | modprobe -r ? then ? |
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| 20:24.14 | canvon | DebianCurious500: "modprobe r8169" should do it, otherwise use insmod with the full path to the .ko file |
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| 20:24.52 | canvon | DebianCurious500: (somewhere in /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/... for example) |
| 20:26.02 | teraflops | flavi0: but I do not know why you cannot do chsh for your user, it does not need root permissions. |
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| 20:26.15 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i have some ideas but i have no time to check them now |
| 20:26.22 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: cuz i have to go out lol |
| 20:26.35 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: imho i could setup eth0 with a scrambled ip |
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| 20:28.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: like setting it a static ip on a subnet completly unreacheable by other nets so i don't use dhcp |
| 20:28.25 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: but assign this fake ip in order to have the net kicks in instantly when needed |
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| 20:30.18 | canvon | DebianCurious500: as I understand it, as long as you don't unplug the cable, changing the IP address should be no problem |
| 20:30.47 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: no is like... eth0 must have some configuration |
| 20:30.59 | canvon | DebianCurious500: why? |
| 20:31.01 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: dhcp or ip static otherwise when u plug back the cable |
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| 20:31.24 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: some kind of weird and obscure service that monitors the eth status will not kicks in working back and allowing pppoe to reconnect |
| 20:31.31 | flavi0 | teraflops: passwd comes from NIS |
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| 20:31.43 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: we are in the reign of mordor.. things works this way... better don't ask :OOO |
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| 20:32.16 | teraflops | flavi0: ah |
| 20:32.43 | flavi0 | hmm so what do I need for a working terminfo database? tcsh is giving me csh: using dumb terminal settings. |
| 20:32.45 | teraflops | flavi0: you say NIS and then csh makes sense :P |
| 20:33.12 | flavi0 | TERM is rxvt-unicode-256color, the stable host can deal with it, however the testing proot can't |
| 20:33.55 | teraflops | flavi0: ~/.terminfo |
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| 20:34.18 | flavi0 | teraflops: home directory is the same on host and guest (NFS) |
| 20:34.50 | canvon | DebianCurious500: you could edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules if you have it, and rename eth0 to something else, and eth1 to eth0... |
| 20:34.50 | teraflops | flavi0: as in /home/teraflops/.terminfo/x/xterm-termite |
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| 20:35.33 | flavi0 | teraflops: well.. didn't set anything up in my home folder, it's shared between the systems anyway, and there's also no .terminfo, but in the host it works. |
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| 20:35.55 | flavi0 | so I guess it's using the systemwide terminfo database and in my chroot that somehow fails. |
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| 20:37.25 | teraflops | flavi0: i didnt test ~/.terminfo inside a chroot :P anyway it works fine in jessie, per user obv since it is in ~ |
| 20:38.25 | canvon | flavi0: on my system, the terminfo database seems to come from the packages ncurses-base and ncurses-term, if that helps |
| 20:38.34 | teraflops | flavi0: but you need the file ... |
| 20:38.39 | flavi0 | teraflops: well terminfo in general seems to be working if I set TERM=xterm in my cshrc. |
| 20:39.03 | teraflops | ah csh ... |
| 20:40.18 | teraflops | TERM=whatever ssh user@host should work too |
| 20:40.18 | flavi0 | canvon: that was it, ncurses-term was missing. thank you! |
| 20:40.29 | canvon | flavi0: you're welcome |
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| 20:53.01 | Strife89 | Got a question related to volume controls. |
| 20:54.16 | Strife89 | I have testing (installed from a Stretch beta 5 netinstall image) running on my ThinkPad X201. XFCE, 64 bit. The volume buttons currently don't do anything. Any tips on what to try? |
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| 20:55.49 | SpeccyMan | you could try the thinkwiki |
| 20:56.12 | SpeccyMan | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 20:56.38 | Strife89 | I'll poke around, then. Thanks. |
| 20:57.38 | Strife89 | I know the volume keys work in Debian, as I had a Jessie install (also 64 bit with XFCE) before this installation, and all was well there. |
| 20:57.57 | Strife89 | I'm just not sure what changed. |
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| 21:00.39 | markybob | Strife89, settings->window manager->keyboard |
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| 21:00.59 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: LOL |
| 21:01.03 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i had an idea |
| 21:01.15 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: finished shower i tought under teh showr.. |
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| 21:02.33 | markybob | Strife89, here's the commands to apply https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Keyboard_volume_control |
| 21:02.37 | Strife89 | markybob: Hmmm. I don't see any action related to volume control in the list. |
| 21:03.30 | markybob | Strife89, go to settings->keyboard->applications shortcuts and use the last link i sent you as a guide to how to add the commands |
| 21:03.54 | Strife89 | markybob: Aha! Thanks! |
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| 21:06.24 | Strife89 | Hmmm, I wonder if I'm not doing it quite right. |
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| 21:07.33 | Strife89 | Pressing the Volume Up button, for example, gets me: https://goo.gl/photos/Q3s1MZWXrm2rcm6J8 |
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| 21:12.20 | DebianCurious500 | for android users, what about this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.meefik.linuxdeploy ? |
| 21:12.27 | DebianCurious500 | is something that could be trusted ? |
| 21:13.47 | bsdordy | I wouldn't. There is something like that in Fdroid, but thats not to be trusted either, i guess. Zero peer review, but probably needs root. |
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| 21:15.37 | Strife89 | markybob: Figured it out. Thanks again! |
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| 21:19.31 | bsdordy | you could try debootstrap to get and unpack signed packages and then mix your own start command using bind mounts and some chroot in vxconnect or so |
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| 21:23.12 | slbtc | hey I tried to install gnewsense on virtualbox for more privacy. it hung during installation. so I tried again still the same problems. I then decided to delete it off of virtual box and try a different linux distro. but when I tried there's no option for 64 bit now. |
| 21:23.53 | towo` | and this has what to do with debian? |
| 21:24.13 | slbtc | well virtual box is universal |
| 21:24.25 | slbtc | I thought someone might be able to help me get 64 bit options back |
| 21:24.38 | towo` | this is not a universal channel, this is debian support |
| 21:24.39 | slbtc | I'm researching it |
| 21:24.51 | slbtc | fair enough |
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| 21:25.26 | DebianCurious500 | bsdordy: im searching for something like that, yeah all of them requires root |
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| 21:26.39 | bsdordy | i guess there is no way around root, for example, you want to mount /proc, amongst other stuff, into your chroot, but it's not rocketscience either |
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| 21:29.48 | bsdordy | create a "disk" on your workstation (dd if=/dev/zero of=disk.dd bs=1m count=512), create a filesystem on it: mkfs.ext2 disk.dd, mount it somewhere, use debootstrap to get a system on it, transfer to you mobile |
| 21:30.24 | bsdordy | there you need to loopmount it, bind mount /proc and other stuff and use chroot, then install vim or whatnot |
| 21:31.18 | bsdordy | wouldn't surprise me if someone properly documented it. at least then you know the packages came from a proper source i guess |
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| 21:33.15 | bsdordy | someone should port UML to Cyanogen or something, would make running a tiny debian in your pocket a walk in the park |
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| 21:37.12 | bsdordy | better yet, someone should port debian to my mobile, that would drop a jaw or two in my office :) |
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| 22:04.27 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: i have an idea |
| 22:04.34 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: could be the green ethernet |
| 22:04.38 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ttyk |
| 22:04.40 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ttyl |
| 22:04.42 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: ttyl* |
| 22:05.27 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: could be the green ethernet |
| 22:05.28 | FXpro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.32 | canvon | DebianCurious500: O_O |
| 22:05.38 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i go :D ttyl |
| 22:05.46 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: eh... xD could be a nice explaination to that... |
| 22:06.00 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: if in dhcp or ip in the same net of the modem the replies wake up the interface |
| 22:06.11 | DebianCurious500 | canvon: otherwise not, and pppoe have no power to turn it on |
| 22:06.28 | DebianCurious500 | it's just my guess... something bearing in my mind but it can be who knows |
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| 23:09.42 | flavi0 | I'm on testing but want to install *nvidia* from stable. I expected the following in /etc/apt/preferences.d/pin-nvidia-jessie.pref to work, however it doesn't: |
| 23:09.46 | flavi0 | Package: *nvidia* |
| 23:09.46 | flavi0 | Pin: release o=Debian,a=jessie |
| 23:09.47 | flavi0 | Pin-Priority: 1000 |
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| 23:19.24 | knosys | hi |
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| 23:22.33 | boubou | anyone use oidentd ? |
| 23:22.49 | boubou | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.59 | boubou | I modified my oidentd.conf and changed all deny to allow |
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| 23:23.08 | boubou | restarted the service but it still dont work :( |
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| 23:26.36 | winsen | Hi all |
| 23:27.13 | winsen | which search engine can you advice instead of google, bing, yahoo and othe scamers? thanks |
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| 23:27.29 | flavi0 | winsen: i'm using duckduckgo |
| 23:27.43 | flavi0 | winsen: in difficult cases i sometimes resort to google |
| 23:28.41 | winsen | flavi0:Hi thanks for answering, any alternative apart from duckduckgo? |
| 23:29.13 | flavi0 | winsen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_search_engines |
| 23:29.17 | winsen | flavi0:<flavi0> winsen: in difficult cases i sometimes resort to google, that's how I use to do too |
| 23:30.05 | flavi0 | winsen: startpage would be the other one which does not track at all |
| 23:30.48 | flavi0 | winsen: don't know how good their results are, if it's really difficult queries I guess there's no alternative to google. you can always use some browser-side obfuscation, tor etc. |
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| 23:31.56 | winsen | flavi0:<flavi0> "...you can always use some browser-side obfuscation, tor etc."? |
| 23:32.31 | winsen | what do you mean by "some browser-side obfuscation"? |
| 23:32.41 | flavi0 | winsen: like not accepting cookies, faking user-agent string and such |
| 23:33.02 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: back |
| 23:33.46 | winsen | flavi0: I see. anyway thank you. |
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| 23:34.19 | flavi0 | winsen: using tor you'd always be on the safe side of course, preferrably combined with browser-side measures. |
| 23:34.33 | DebianCurious500 | flavi0: sembrerebbe sia un problema di green ethernet a me, che casino |
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| 23:34.55 | flavi0 | DebianCurious500: I don't speak spanish :) |
| 23:35.02 | DebianCurious500 | flavi0: lol is italian |
| 23:35.12 | flavi0 | DebianCurious500: hehe, neither that :D |
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| 23:36.12 | DebianCurious500 | flavi0: i see |
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| 23:36.39 | flavi0 | (it is also not my real name) |
| 23:36.45 | markybob | DebianCurious500, what is "green ethernet"? |
| 23:37.16 | DebianCurious500 | markybob: a stupid feature manifacturer do, when a cable is disconnected the ethernet is almost powered off to save energy |
| 23:37.36 | markybob | yeah, that sounds stupid. it's so minimal |
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| 23:38.14 | DebianCurious500 | markybob: probably when i remove the cable the device goes in a sleep state, that is not recovered because in my configuration eth0 is just used as support interface for the real connection done with ppp0 |
| 23:39.16 | markybob | my servers use about 1k watts each. an ethernet shutting down...thats hilarious |
| 23:39.50 | DebianCurious500 | markybob: i guess is things manifacturer do in order to print on boxes "we respect the planet" |
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| 23:40.32 | sendq | Good evening gents |
| 23:40.40 | DebianCurious500 | sendq: hello |
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| 23:41.28 | ruehrkuchen_away | DebianCurious500: hey, have you done your own nas router or whatever it was? |
| 23:41.31 | sendq | anything a bit greener could help in the long run! |
| 23:41.44 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: yo man read above XD |
| 23:41.50 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: well, no i mean |
| 23:42.04 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: i gone outside but i tought the problem could be the green ethernet |
| 23:42.05 | ruehrkuchen_away | isn't a man :( |
| 23:42.20 | ruehrkuchen_away | what happened with the green eth ? |
| 23:42.23 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: eh? |
| 23:42.30 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: oh you are a girl xD ok |
| 23:42.42 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: i'm just used to call anyone man rofl |
| 23:43.34 | flavi0 | hmm no matter what I put in the preferences file, apt-cache policy shows no pinned packages.. |
| 23:43.42 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: probably is the green eth config that turns down the eth |
| 23:44.08 | ruehrkuchen_away | DebianCurious500: oh, that's bad -- don't worry, everyone thinks i'm a guy |
| 23:44.51 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: is just an idea otherwise i guess i have to create a debian bug filling report lol |
| 23:45.03 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: because it seems that only with dhcp i have the system working |
| 23:45.16 | DebianCurious500 | annnnnnnnnnnnnnd NO |
| 23:45.23 | DebianCurious500 | it's like i said xD i guess |
| 23:45.29 | DebianCurious500 | interesting and nasty stuff |
| 23:45.45 | DebianCurious500 | this is what happens, if the eth0 is not configured nothing happens |
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| 23:45.57 | DebianCurious500 | i can't have the eth0 interface back and running |
| 23:46.24 | DebianCurious500 | instead if i have eth0 configured in the local subnet first of later a packet on that address comes, the interface is woke up |
| 23:46.41 | DebianCurious500 | at this point and only at this point the ppp0 is back |
| 23:46.56 | DebianCurious500 | i have to ask for confirmation to cruncher |
| 23:47.51 | ruehrkuchen_away | okay |
| 23:47.55 | cruncher | back |
| 23:48.29 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: hey :D |
| 23:48.34 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: hello there |
| 23:48.40 | cruncher | hi |
| 23:48.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: maybe i found the problem |
| 23:48.49 | cruncher | was away longer than expected, but here i am |
| 23:49.05 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i mean, i have this in mind but could make sense |
| 23:49.43 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: manifacturers introduced this nasty setting called "green ethernet", long story short when you unplug a cable the devices goes in ultra low power state a sort of sleep |
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| 23:50.14 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: what happens now, when i plug back the cable the interface is not really turned back on |
| 23:50.39 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: it waits.. probably for a packet with her mac address |
| 23:50.50 | cruncher | ok, plug it back in, and run ethtool eth0 |
| 23:50.55 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: even just an arp ping something |
| 23:51.13 | cruncher | then we see the devices status |
| 23:51.25 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: now if the eth0 is configured to be on the same subnet of the modem static ip or dhcp, the interface is awaken and ppp0 goes back |
| 23:51.26 | cruncher | is actually a good thought |
| 23:51.27 | DebianCurious500 | otherwise not |
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| 23:51.56 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yes but in order to do so i have to try if the interface is not in the same subnet |
| 23:51.58 | DebianCurious500 | let's see |
| 23:52.07 | cruncher | basically ips shoult not matter here, i think its a matter of device status, but at this point everything can be tested |
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| 23:52.19 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: no i mean |
| 23:52.39 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: if the eth0 is configured and is in the same subnet of the modem, the modem first of later will ping it |
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| 23:52.54 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: the device see "oh, they are calling for my mac address!" and awakens |
| 23:52.55 | cruncher | yes, i understand you, but as i said, ip/subnet should play a role in having the device responding at all |
| 23:53.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i don't know maybe the modem will not try to talk with her if is not a known mac address in the same subnet |
| 23:53.45 | cruncher | but run ethtool eth0 after unplugging to see the link status |
| 23:53.58 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i have first to install ethool |
| 23:54.09 | flavi0 | Got it, I was using a=jessie but it needs to be n=jessie. All working now, and I'm successfully using opengl applications inside this testing chroot running on a jessie install (where I don't have root) :) |
| 23:54.20 | NahUndFern | Hello. Does anyone know how to stop dhclient from writing dns information to resolv.conf? I know how to do it with a dhcp config, but I'm unsure of how i should approach this with dhclient. I would prefer not to use chattr |
| 23:54.42 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i have the feel that you want the pastebin of all the output eh? XD |
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| 23:54.53 | cruncher | no, just the last line |
| 23:55.05 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: Link detected: yes |
| 23:55.06 | cruncher | but too much info is never bad ;-) |
| 23:55.20 | cruncher | link detected and the cable is unplugged? |
| 23:55.26 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but... http://pastebin.com/tRyq7eQh |
| 23:55.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: no no the cable is on now |
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| 23:55.45 | cruncher | ok, take it off and run the tool again |
| 23:55.59 | cruncher | ok, from start |
| 23:56.06 | DebianCurious500 | identical output but link detected No |
| 23:56.11 | cruncher | while you have internet, plug it off, and run ethtool |
| 23:56.23 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: and this is what it's written |
| 23:56.52 | cruncher | so you didnt have the cable off since you booted? |
| 23:56.55 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: some things changes however like duplex and speed |
| 23:57.23 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://pastebin.com/pUabHE7r |
| 23:57.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: do a compare between the 2 states |
| 23:58.32 | cruncher | what kind of box is that? |
| 23:58.46 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i think u will not find any good thing there.. if it's a green ethernet setting is nasty |
| 23:58.50 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: what do u mean ? |
| 23:58.59 | cruncher | brand/model of the machine |
| 23:59.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: heh lol it's a gigabyte bace 3000 |
| 23:59.34 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: a tiny cute box 10cm x 10cm |
