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| 00:03.55 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, output of "lspci -m" |
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| 00:04.28 | ruehrkuchen_away | DebianCurious500: i would cry, you're trying to make it work since a lot of hours :D |
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| 00:05.40 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: xD don't worry is saturday i had all my time for shower go @ pub with friends and come back home xD |
| 00:06.22 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://pastebin.com/3GkXpnFi |
| 00:06.50 | cruncher | what does "cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:03\:00.0/power/control" say? |
| 00:07.00 | cruncher | (just copy&paste it to prevent errors) |
| 00:07.33 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy-Efficient_Ethernet |
| 00:07.46 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, on or off? |
| 00:07.58 | DebianCurious500 | on |
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| 00:08.12 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: on |
| 00:08.15 | cruncher | yes |
| 00:08.19 | ruehrkuchen_away | DebianCurious500: sounds useless :D |
| 00:08.22 | cruncher | so now we turn it off :) |
| 00:08.30 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: it is |
| 00:08.56 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: what it means? we turn down the device or we turn down the power_control of the device ? XD |
| 00:09.11 | ruehrkuchen_away | my router recommends me to throttle my GBE lan ports to 100MB, it saves "a lot of energy in the rj-45 adapter" :D |
| 00:09.24 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: well xD |
| 00:09.35 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: your router is smart ;pppppp |
| 00:09.53 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: is like my mother that turns down the let of the tv |
| 00:09.57 | DebianCurious500 | led* |
| 00:10.00 | NahUndFern | Hey guys, anyone know how to stop dhclient from writing dns information to resolv.conf? I know how to do it with the dhcp config. However, I'm unsure of how i should approach this with dhclient. |
| 00:10.30 | DebianCurious500 | NahUndFern: https://raam.org/2009/configuring-static-dns-with-dhcp-on-debianubuntu/ |
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| 00:11.26 | ruehrkuchen_away | DebianCurious500: are you italian? |
| 00:11.36 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: ye why ? XD |
| 00:11.50 | ruehrkuchen_away | you wrote italian things above |
| 00:11.51 | ruehrkuchen_away | :D |
| 00:12.00 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: because i'm italian xD |
| 00:12.08 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, easiest is to install powertop |
| 00:12.09 | ruehrkuchen_away | this can happen :P |
| 00:12.16 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_away: ye xD |
| 00:12.22 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: installing |
| 00:12.30 | cruncher | there you can just press enter and we disable the power control |
| 00:13.16 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: a sec |
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| 00:14.09 | NahUndFern | DebianCurious500: Thanks |
| 00:14.35 | DebianCurious500 | NahUndFern: np |
| 00:14.43 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: how is the command to turn the power down ? |
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| 00:15.03 | cruncher | just run it, then press Tab until the menu comes to "Tunables" |
| 00:15.31 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: hmm ok so ? |
| 00:15.31 | cruncher | then press arrow down to go to the ethernet device, which should be on "Good" |
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| 00:16.10 | cruncher | now put it on "Bad" :) (dont worry, bad means simply not power controlled) |
| 00:16.20 | cruncher | whichis what you want |
| 00:16.58 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://s17.postimg.org/qgj0lzob3/interface.png |
| 00:17.09 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: better have a whole look |
| 00:17.49 | ruehrkuchen | so much bad devices, the other one are good |
| 00:17.54 | cruncher | should be the runtime om for pci blabla Realtek RTL8111/8168 |
| 00:18.11 | cruncher | but it is already off |
| 00:18.18 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ye |
| 00:18.28 | cruncher | try toggling it |
| 00:18.44 | cruncher | put it on good, then bad again, and put the cable back |
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| 00:18.53 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: toggling it to good ? |
| 00:19.05 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: wait i have the cable in now |
| 00:19.48 | cruncher | pity i dont have such a nic/pc with that nic here around right now |
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| 00:20.18 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: eh, i start to fear is a setting hardcoded into bios, because in old cards i had the capability to turn it down here no |
| 00:20.35 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: maybe i'm pretty sure that if i was on windows i could have checked the setting there |
| 00:21.11 | cruncher | "maybe im pretty sure"??? :D |
| 00:21.25 | cruncher | just joking.. funny sentence ;-) |
| 00:21.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i talk english like godzilla drinks vodka |
| 00:21.39 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: don't pay attention on me lol |
| 00:22.41 | DebianCurious500 | ok soooooo |
| 00:23.04 | cruncher | i asked for the model of your pc because i saw that your card supports mii |
| 00:23.13 | DebianCurious500 | mii ? |
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| 00:23.16 | DebianCurious500 | miracast ? |
| 00:23.26 | cruncher | which has a different possibility to detect if it is connected |
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| 00:23.36 | cruncher | so i worry that it may have some influence |
| 00:23.49 | cruncher | media independent interface |
| 00:24.06 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ah i see, well is this: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5569 |
| 00:24.24 | cruncher | this is not a simple debian usage problem, i guess it goes further inside the hardware registers |
| 00:24.26 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is small and fun |
| 00:24.32 | cruncher | yes, i saw a pic |
| 00:24.37 | cruncher | looks nice.. |
| 00:24.41 | cruncher | i guess it has an atom cpu? |
| 00:24.58 | ruehrkuchen | you have RTL8111H, i have RTL8111G :P |
| 00:24.58 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: a bit overpriced for now but it consumes nothing and is perfect for homemade routers |
| 00:25.03 | ruehrkuchen | gigabyte too |
| 00:25.35 | cruncher | ruehrkuchen, that is just the chip series, the specific model can be slight different |
| 00:25.39 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: damn realtek cards xD |
| 00:26.01 | cruncher | his is driven by a r8169 |
| 00:26.09 | cruncher | yo can check if you have the same driver |
| 00:26.10 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i think is a setting of green ethernet and hardcoded in some way into the bios |
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| 00:26.45 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: we want to try for fun if the ppp0 works on eth1 ? |
| 00:26.56 | DebianCurious500 | that is a usb ethernet card ? |
| 00:26.57 | cruncher | yes, do that |
| 00:27.10 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ok so... just modify the settings into interfaces ? |
| 00:28.07 | radley666 | Hello. Im installing a mail system with postfix+dovecot on a debian wheezy VPS. When both servers are running the the SSH login doesnt work, altough the VPS is not completely unresponsive because the webserver is still running ok, then i need to restart the VPS to connect again to it. What could be going on? |
| 00:28.54 | ruehrkuchen | I have RTL8168 |
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| 00:29.18 | cruncher | you can try first to put auto eth0 |
| 00:29.45 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: realtek isn't bad at all |
| 00:30.02 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i was jokin |
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| 00:30.04 | cruncher | just i in case it would help to bring up when ifup wnats it |
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| 00:31.27 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: let's try ^^ |
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| 00:33.12 | DebianCurious500 | ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND |
| 00:33.14 | DebianCurious500 | it works |
| 00:33.19 | DebianCurious500 | if i use eth1 it works |
| 00:33.42 | cruncher | doesnt make much sense as it is the same chip |
| 00:33.49 | cruncher | there must be something else causing it |
| 00:33.53 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nope |
| 00:33.54 | cruncher | but happy it works for you |
| 00:33.59 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is not the same chip |
| 00:34.06 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is an usb ethernet adapter |
| 00:34.10 | cruncher | i mean, the reason must be somewhere specific for eth0, not for the chip |
| 00:34.13 | cruncher | aha |
| 00:34.17 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i said u |
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| 00:34.29 | cruncher | you said the box has 2 nics, so i assumed it you ment 2 built in |
| 00:34.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: is some sort of green ethernet evil configuration hardcoded |
| 00:34.38 | cruncher | but yes, i know who assumes :D |
| 00:34.57 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nope it has one exactly why i had to buy this spare Usb3->gigabit adapter |
| 00:35.01 | ruehrkuchen | need sleep, good night, good luck DebianCurious500, hopefully you will bring it up :) |
| 00:35.10 | cruncher | ruehrkuchen, he just did |
| 00:35.12 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: thanks woman ^^ |
| 00:35.22 | ruehrkuchen | it runs? |
| 00:35.29 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: we finding the cause |
| 00:35.47 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i guessed the green ethernet out of nothing ;p i'm not so bad |
| 00:35.51 | ruehrkuchen | oh |
| 00:35.54 | ruehrkuchen | congrats! |
| 00:35.55 | ruehrkuchen | :) |
| 00:35.58 | cruncher | but DebianCurious500 i told you long time ago to try it with an usb device! :D |
| 00:36.17 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, yes, that was a good guess |
| 00:36.20 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i know xD |
| 00:36.42 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but i don't want to use the usb device for pppoe |
| 00:36.42 | cruncher | would have come eventually on the list of things to try.. but good shot |
| 00:36.43 | ruehrkuchen | my dedicated server full formats my hard disks, but i checked quick format, damn |
| 00:37.12 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: long timing xD |
| 00:37.19 | DebianCurious500 | 2tb disk? 5h |
| 00:37.26 | ruehrkuchen | 4x |
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| 00:37.36 | cruncher | ruehrkuchen, you didnt want quick format? is it windows? press ctrl+c ;-) |
| 00:37.37 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: 8h-9h so ;P |
| 00:38.00 | ruehrkuchen | cruncher: it's the emergency tool from the datacenter xD |
| 00:38.03 | ruehrkuchen | can't stop that |
| 00:38.04 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, i dont think you would leave it on that usb device.. but now you know the problem |
| 00:38.27 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: mostly i would like to see if there exist something like that on linux wait: |
| 00:38.53 | ruehrkuchen | i already wanted to sleep since a hour, but i hoped it'll be finished soon ... bad |
| 00:39.57 | cruncher | tomorrow you will be fresh on the matter... helps sometimes to not to format important partitions ;-) |
| 00:40.07 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://s27.postimg.org/o3pfe6adf/all_device_stuff.png |
| 00:40.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: there's something like that on linux ? |
| 00:40.44 | ruehrkuchen | Bah, windows |
| 00:40.59 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i know but there's a nice setting called Energy Efficient Ethernet |
| 00:41.05 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: and u can disable it :P |
| 00:41.33 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, yes, it should exist, dont forget its a feature of the card |
| 00:41.49 | cruncher | so if the linux driver includes that feature... |
| 00:42.04 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i know |
| 00:42.08 | ruehrkuchen | my ethernat have "Energy Efficient Ethernet" and "Green Energy" ??? lol |
| 00:42.13 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i found this but i don't think it could help http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg190223.html |
| 00:42.50 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: ye. it's green, beware plants are going to grow on that nic.. |
| 00:43.02 | ruehrkuchen | hopefully not |
| 00:43.32 | ruehrkuchen | should i disable that? :D |
| 00:43.44 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: your call, in my setup it creates problems |
| 00:43.51 | DebianCurious500 | because it turns down the nic |
| 00:44.03 | ruehrkuchen | it was a joke, about plants are growing |
| 00:44.11 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: oh xD |
| 00:44.16 | DebianCurious500 | where u from ruehrkuchen |
| 00:44.23 | ruehrkuchen | germany |
| 00:44.42 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i see |
| 00:44.48 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: not so far so |
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| 00:45.06 | ruehrkuchen | no |
| 00:45.29 | DebianCurious500 | YES |
| 00:45.30 | DebianCurious500 | --show-eee Queries the specified network device for its support of Energy-Efficient Ethernet (according to the IEEE 802.3az specifications) --set-eee Sets the device EEE behaviour. eee on|off Enables/disables the device support of EEE. |
| 00:45.37 | DebianCurious500 | let's try with eth tool !! |
| 00:46.18 | cruncher | hamburg to napoli is not so far.... :D |
| 00:46.29 | cruncher | could be worse |
| 00:46.37 | DebianCurious500 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.40 | DebianCurious500 | :\ |
| 00:46.56 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ip stalker ;p |
| 00:47.06 | cruncher | not me.. my system :p |
| 00:47.09 | ruehrkuchen | napoli? |
| 00:47.13 | cruncher | naples |
| 00:47.14 | DebianCurious500 | city of pizza |
| 00:47.18 | cruncher | neapel in german ;-) |
| 00:47.21 | DebianCurious500 | and trust me |
| 00:47.27 | ruehrkuchen | oh |
| 00:47.35 | DebianCurious500 | the pizza u guys have all around the world is completely different |
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| 00:48.14 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so it seems ethtool can do something with eee |
| 00:48.19 | ruehrkuchen | debian ate my pizza! |
| 00:48.27 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but if i run the command it says isn't supported |
| 00:48.38 | cruncher | yes, its quite informative |
| 00:48.40 | DebianCurious500 | ethtool --show-eee eth0 |
| 00:48.48 | DebianCurious500 | Cannot get EEE settings: Operation not supported |
| 00:48.50 | DebianCurious500 | it says |
| 00:48.53 | DebianCurious500 | CANNOT Get |
| 00:48.56 | cruncher | im looking now if there is a newer driver for your card in hope it could do what you need |
| 00:49.02 | DebianCurious500 | not that the device can't be changed |
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| 00:49.22 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: more than a new driver i think ethtool can't but in a manual way it could be done no ? |
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| 00:52.21 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, they have a driver dated 2015-december |
| 00:52.23 | cruncher | http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=4&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#92 |
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| 00:52.37 | cruncher | i guess the debian is older.. you could try if you want |
| 00:52.45 | cruncher | could help |
| 00:52.56 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: more than this i'm trying to find the correct procedure for turn down the eee under linux |
| 00:53.06 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i don't think ethtool is the only way no ? |
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| 00:53.39 | cruncher | in llinux there is basically never only one way ;-) |
| 00:53.53 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so... can you help me to find the alternative ? XD |
| 00:53.57 | cruncher | of course to every rule there is an exception |
| 00:54.03 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: >.> |
| 00:54.49 | ruehrkuchen | eee? |
| 00:55.03 | cruncher | and did you try "ethtool -s eth0 eee off"? |
| 00:55.25 | DebianCurious500 | ethtool --set-eee devname [eee on|off] [tx-lpi on|off] [tx-timer N] [advertise N] |
| 00:55.41 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: eeeeeethchouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu0 |
| 00:55.51 | ruehrkuchen | what? |
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| 00:55.56 | cruncher | bless you |
| 00:56.01 | karlpinc | DebianCurious500: Anything in the dmesg output? |
| 00:56.07 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: is the onomatopeyc for the sneezing |
| 00:56.23 | cruncher | maybe the italian one :D |
| 00:56.33 | ruehrkuchen | i don't understand :( |
| 00:56.41 | cruncher | ruehrkuchen, he just sneezed at you |
| 00:56.50 | ruehrkuchen | why? |
| 00:56.51 | cruncher | for whatever reason... |
| 00:56.58 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yeah maybe the italian one |
| 00:56.58 | cruncher | good question :) |
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| 00:57.11 | ruehrkuchen | that makes me sad |
| 00:57.11 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: was a joke because all the interfaces starts with eeeth... |
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| 00:57.17 | DebianCurious500 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.00 | DebianCurious500 | karlpinc: nothing really relevant i think, maybe last line is telling me something like [ 160.355460] ax88179_178a 1-1:1.0 eth1: ax88179 - GO TO SLEEP = 1 |
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| 00:58.53 | ruehrkuchen | good night all, good luck DebianCurious500 |
| 00:59.02 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: thanks |
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| 00:59.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nohting :\ |
| 00:59.53 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: root@box:/etc/network# ethtool --set-eee eth0 eee off Cannot get EEE settings: Operation not supported |
| 01:00.07 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ethtool is incompatible with this device i fear |
| 01:00.18 | cruncher | no, its the igb driver |
| 01:00.31 | cruncher | doesnt allow eee options |
| 01:00.39 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so if tomorrow i install windows i can go and set the eee off? |
| 01:00.39 | cruncher | you could download and install a new one |
| 01:00.45 | DebianCurious500 | but it will not stays right? |
| 01:00.54 | cruncher | no, it wont stay permanent |
| 01:00.54 | DebianCurious500 | if i change os and everything else |
| 01:01.02 | DebianCurious500 | ok so is not a worthy try |
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| 01:01.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: let's do the last try with the driver |
| 01:01.36 | cruncher | ok ,download it from the page i gave you |
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| 01:03.16 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: k i'm with my tgz in the root directory |
| 01:03.41 | DebianCurious500 | bz2 |
| 01:05.17 | cruncher | i hope you know how to compile it? |
| 01:05.57 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i'm an idiot lol |
| 01:06.09 | DebianCurious500 | i removed the driver of the device i was runnig |
| 01:06.10 | DebianCurious500 | xDD |
| 01:06.24 | cruncher | dont say that |
| 01:06.33 | cruncher | someday youll start believing it... ;-) |
| 01:07.15 | cruncher | you will need internet for that as you have to download the compiler and probably some devs |
| 01:07.42 | DebianCurious500 | yes it's ok |
| 01:07.52 | DebianCurious500 | i f* the control interface not the internet one |
| 01:07.55 | DebianCurious500 | but... |
| 01:08.00 | DebianCurious500 | i'm reading the readme |
| 01:08.01 | cruncher | just saying |
| 01:08.08 | DebianCurious500 | i have some errors |
| 01:08.13 | cruncher | good, basically all is written there |
| 01:08.15 | DebianCurious500 | if i go for make clean modules |
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| 01:08.49 | DebianCurious500 | lib modules 3.16.0.... build no such file or directory |
| 01:09.01 | DebianCurious500 | in order to compile it which packages i need ? |
| 01:09.05 | DebianCurious500 | headers? gcc ? |
| 01:09.32 | cruncher | yes |
| 01:09.44 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: can you write me the apt-get install list ? |
| 01:09.47 | cruncher | linux-headers-amd64 (or your architecture) |
| 01:09.47 | DebianCurious500 | please ^^' |
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| 01:11.53 | cruncher | and gcc |
| 01:12.09 | cruncher | should be enough for this driver... but it will keep complaining if you need something more |
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| 01:12.14 | DebianCurious500 | done |
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| 01:13.05 | cruncher | just follow the readme and yell when you are done |
| 01:13.06 | zacts | what is the difference between this channel and freenode's? |
| 01:13.11 | cruncher | this is freenodes |
| 01:13.18 | zacts | oh |
| 01:13.20 | zacts | I meant oftc |
| 01:13.35 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: did all but eth0 is not showing |
| 01:13.48 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ok rebooting i have it |
| 01:13.59 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: how can check if the version i installed is the new one ? |
| 01:14.17 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nevermind in any case i can't set eee off |
| 01:14.21 | DebianCurious500 | operation not supported |
| 01:14.26 | DebianCurious500 | skfjgkslfsfd |
| 01:15.00 | cruncher | in example do a modinfo r8169 |
| 01:15.23 | DebianCurious500 | 6.021.00 |
| 01:16.04 | DebianCurious500 | hmm hmm |
| 01:16.13 | DebianCurious500 | there are some things called parm |
| 01:16.29 | DebianCurious500 | can't i set the eee there? |
| 01:17.45 | cruncher | i dont know the list of accepted parameters.. check if its there |
| 01:18.13 | cruncher | whereever you are looking :) |
| 01:18.45 | ruehrkuchen_slee | i'm back :O |
| 01:18.48 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: idk xD i guess i will take a nice pause and submit the stuff to stackoverflow or something like that |
| 01:18.54 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slee: xD go sleep |
| 01:19.02 | ruehrkuchen_slee | can't |
| 01:19.07 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, i got some other idea |
| 01:19.13 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slee: cat is the problem |
| 01:19.17 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: like? :D |
| 01:19.24 | ruehrkuchen_slee | DebianCurious500: cat? |
| 01:19.28 | cruncher | put following line to etc/network/interfaces: pre-up /usr/sbin/ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off |
| 01:19.31 | ruehrkuchen_slee | DebianCurious500: i don't havy a cat |
| 01:19.31 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slee: idk cats always make mess |
| 01:19.36 | ruehrkuchen_slee | *have |
| 01:19.39 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slee: uuh bad :p cats are nice |
| 01:19.47 | ruehrkuchen_slee | i have a dog |
| 01:19.49 | cruncher | right under iface eth0 inet static/dhcp |
| 01:19.54 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slee: i'm not a fan of dogs |
| 01:20.04 | ruehrkuchen_slee | i'm not a fan of cats |
| 01:20.48 | ruehrkuchen_slee | 's dog would love to hunt DebianCurious500 's cat |
| 01:21.41 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: u think autonegotiation creates mess ? |
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| 01:22.14 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slp: i have no cats |
| 01:22.27 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slp: i had one black :) |
| 01:22.44 | cruncher | zacts, to answer your earlier question as good as i can (but i may be wrong), due to the debian suopport page the offical one is on oftc, and they write one of the more prominent ones is on freenode |
| 01:22.54 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, possible |
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| 01:23.20 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: it seems we got the eth0 not working |
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| 01:23.51 | ruehrkuchen_slp | DebianCurious500: eth1 = usb; eth0 = internal ? |
| 01:23.57 | DebianCurious500 | yes |
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| 01:24.12 | ruehrkuchen_slp | and ppp0 = pppoe |
| 01:24.24 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slp: ye |
| 01:24.49 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, what you mean? it doesnt work anymore? |
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| 01:25.04 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i confirm with that setup the interface not getting any ip |
| 01:25.09 | ruehrkuchen_slp | hmm, i'm not familar with networking |
| 01:25.29 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: how was the commands? dsmsg? |
| 01:25.34 | cruncher | dmesg |
| 01:26.29 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nothing interesting here |
| 01:26.35 | DebianCurious500 | link up and link down |
| 01:27.18 | cruncher | ok, you can turn it off to get an ip, then run ethtool separately to turn off autoneg |
| 01:27.24 | cruncher | once you have the ip |
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| 01:27.43 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so should be on run not pre-run |
| 01:27.59 | cruncher | no, comment it out for now |
| 01:28.02 | cruncher | delee it |
| 01:28.04 | cruncher | delete |
| 01:28.09 | cruncher | we run it manually |
| 01:28.15 | cruncher | as soon as you got an ip |
| 01:28.18 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i tested with UP |
| 01:28.20 | DebianCurious500 | it works |
| 01:28.44 | cruncher | ok ,check if autonge is off |
| 01:29.05 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: autonegotiation still on :p :\ |
| 01:29.28 | cruncher | now run "ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off" |
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| 01:29.47 | DebianCurious500 | Cannot set new settings: INvalid Argument |
| 01:29.50 | DebianCurious500 | not setting autone |
| 01:29.51 | DebianCurious500 | not setting autoneg |
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| 01:32.26 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: :\ |
| 01:32.34 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: invalid setting |
| 01:33.03 | cruncher | yes, is ee |
| 01:34.15 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: idk why ethtool act so weirdly |
| 01:34.27 | cruncher | it is not compatible with all drivers |
| 01:34.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i see |
| 01:34.47 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: maybe we can mail ethtool author xD |
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| 01:35.56 | ruehrkuchen_slp | you only have problems with the internal lan card, no? |
| 01:36.25 | ruehrkuchen_slp | (sorry, i didn't followed you completely) |
| 01:36.29 | cruncher | try this: "rmmod r8619; modprobe --ignore-install r8169; ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off" |
| 01:36.43 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slp: yes :) |
| 01:37.06 | ruehrkuchen_slp | cruncher: you did a mistake, it's "rmmod r8169 (...)" |
| 01:37.15 | ruehrkuchen_slp | :) |
| 01:37.17 | cruncher | yes, true |
| 01:38.28 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nothing changes |
| 01:38.48 | DebianCurious500 | not setting autoneg |
| 01:38.53 | DebianCurious500 | no such device? |
| 01:39.14 | cruncher | then its some other error |
| 01:39.21 | cruncher | if you get "no such device" |
| 01:39.23 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: baah |
| 01:39.38 | ruehrkuchen_slp | a error follows the next error |
| 01:40.03 | cruncher | i hope you took in advice the typo i made and rührkuchen corrected |
| 01:40.24 | cruncher | rmmod r8169; modprobe --ignore-install r8169; ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off |
| 01:40.34 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yes but |
| 01:40.43 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: can i ask a question as total noob? |
| 01:40.51 | cruncher | you already did ;-) |
| 01:40.56 | ruehrkuchen_slp | lol |
| 01:41.07 | DebianCurious500 | can't it be that i can change things directly inside /sys/class/net/eth0 ? |
| 01:41.14 | cruncher | no offense intended ,-) |
| 01:41.56 | DebianCurious500 | instead of use this f* ethtool |
| 01:41.59 | cruncher | i dont think you have autoneg there |
| 01:42.07 | DebianCurious500 | speed |
| 01:42.18 | cruncher | its not the speed, its the autoneg |
| 01:42.39 | cruncher | but what is wrong with that line? |
| 01:42.39 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: idk i mean ethtool is a program that handle the things at low level |
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| 01:42.46 | DebianCurious500 | but the changes should be somewhere |
| 01:42.50 | cruncher | tellm me where the exact error |
| 01:42.56 | cruncher | thelast line should work |
| 01:43.10 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i will try to copypasta it |
| 01:43.24 | cruncher | i had already pasta today |
| 01:43.44 | ruehrkuchen_slp | noodles! |
| 01:43.49 | cruncher | spagetti |
| 01:43.59 | cruncher | ok, you were half right :D |
| 01:44.08 | ruehrkuchen_slp | :D |
| 01:44.23 | cruncher | although a italian would slap us for callin spagetti "noodles" |
| 01:44.26 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: if i run that line |
| 01:44.29 | DebianCurious500 | it goes sleep |
| 01:44.38 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: ye lol |
| 01:44.41 | ruehrkuchen_slp | cruncher: let's hope that DebianCurious500 won't slap me |
| 01:44.48 | ruehrkuchen_slp | *us |
| 01:44.48 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slp: *slap* |
| 01:44.49 | cruncher | hides under the table |
| 01:45.14 | cruncher | ansd tyyped witg one hhand |
| 01:45.20 | ruehrkuchen_slp | cruncher: where you from, if i may ask? :) |
| 01:45.33 | cruncher | im from many places |
| 01:45.34 | ruehrkuchen_slp | +are |
| 01:45.44 | ruehrkuchen_slp | many? |
| 01:45.45 | cruncher | i speak many languages |
| 01:46.03 | DebianCurious500 | here comes a very nerd story... |
| 01:46.25 | ruehrkuchen_slp | cruncher: you're from spain :P |
| 01:46.35 | cruncher | no, what you mean is my ip is in spain ,-) |
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| 01:46.54 | ruehrkuchen_slp | whatever you mean |
| 01:46.56 | ruehrkuchen_slp | :( |
| 01:47.04 | cruncher | i can be in some other country in 1 second.. so dont judge by ip :p |
| 01:47.16 | ruehrkuchen_slp | i hate proxys and VPNs |
| 01:47.29 | ruehrkuchen_slp | glad that i've blocked them on my servers |
| 01:47.31 | cruncher | why, because you cant ip-stalk someone? ;-) |
| 01:47.45 | ruehrkuchen_slp | they're mostly used for abuse |
| 01:48.01 | DebianCurious500 | sooo |
| 01:48.04 | DebianCurious500 | well |
| 01:48.09 | andril | hello |
| 01:48.11 | cruncher | or to watch movies from another countries ;-) |
| 01:48.11 | DebianCurious500 | device not found |
| 01:48.22 | ruehrkuchen_slp | cruncher: please don't call me a ip stalker :'( |
| 01:48.25 | DebianCurious500 | no matter what |
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| 01:48.35 | cruncher | ruehrkuchen_slp, but yes, im from spain |
| 01:48.36 | DebianCurious500 | probably your line |
| 01:48.49 | DebianCurious500 | remove the interface so ethtool after just not work |
| 01:48.53 | cruncher | ruehrkuchen_slp, no, i didnt.. i mentioned it because DebianCurious500 did before |
| 01:49.03 | ruehrkuchen_slp | cruncher: he did what? |
| 01:49.44 | cruncher | he mentioned ip-stalking |
| 01:50.09 | ruehrkuchen_slp | oh |
| 01:50.09 | ruehrkuchen_slp | okay |
| 01:50.59 | DebianCurious500 | zzzzzz |
| 01:51.02 | DebianCurious500 | line not working |
| 01:51.29 | DebianCurious500 | i will make tomorrow a nice question in how to disable fuckin eee from network cards without having to deal with ethtool |
| 01:51.33 | ruehrkuchen_slp | DebianCurious500: you can try the line a thouand time, if it doesn't work we need another solution(s) |
| 01:51.37 | DebianCurious500 | on stackexchange |
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| 01:52.12 | cruncher | a lot of people had that isse DebianCurious500 .. im quite sure now it will help... have to check how we could turn tht thing off |
| 01:52.13 | teaearlgraycold | Hey, I have a debian dedicated machine that won't boot - but I can use a recovery image to get SSH. What should I check to figure out what's wrong? |
| 01:52.34 | cruncher | and i guess best would be to remove the new driver and install the debian one back |
| 01:52.37 | ruehrkuchen_slp | teaearlgraycold: boot loader |
| 01:52.42 | teaearlgraycold | Story: I rebooted it and now it won't boot up |
| 01:53.16 | teaearlgraycold | ruehrkuchen_slp, how do I check that? |
| 01:53.26 | ruehrkuchen_slp | depends what boot loader you use |
| 01:53.47 | teaearlgraycold | I guess grub. I used a pre-made image from the host but it's 8.1 |
| 01:54.10 | teaearlgraycold | It has grub-install in the path |
| 01:54.18 | teaearlgraycold | So I suppose it has to be grub |
| 01:54.25 | ruehrkuchen_slp | might be |
| 01:55.09 | teaearlgraycold | Oh, fsck shows the filesystem's fine. I'm chrooted into it right now and all seems well there |
| 01:55.31 | teaearlgraycold | So what do I check with grub? |
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| 01:55.57 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: maybe could be some flags here |
| 01:56.22 | DebianCurious500 | in /sys/class/net/eth0 |
| 01:56.27 | DebianCurious500 | in /sys/class/net/eth0/flags |
| 01:56.56 | ruehrkuchen_slp | teaearlgraycold: i'm not really familar, but i would try to reinstall grub |
| 01:57.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: type this |
| 01:57.25 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: grep "" /sys/class/net/eth0/* |
| 01:57.37 | cruncher | yes, i know whgats there, resp i saw it |
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| 01:58.09 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: it also logs the carrier_changes |
| 01:58.16 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: how much time u plug in and out |
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| 02:00.52 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i will go to sleep :) |
| 02:00.57 | cruncher | ok |
| 02:01.07 | cruncher | ill see for different ways to turn that thing off |
| 02:01.16 | cruncher | buona notte |
| 02:01.44 | ruehrkuchen_slp | DebianCurious500: good night, see you later |
| 02:02.35 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen_slp: night :) |
| 02:02.37 | DebianCurious500 | notte |
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| 02:08.08 | SuperPhly | Alright, how do I limit apache2 from listening on all ips? I've edited the 000-default.conf or whatever, but it's still doing it. And yes, I've restarted. |
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| 02:08.48 | ruehrkuchen_slp | in the apache2.conf / httpd.conf |
| 02:08.51 | ruehrkuchen_slp | listen x.x.x.x |
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| 02:09.35 | SuperPhly | nope. i can't find an httpd.conf |
| 02:09.47 | teaearlgraycold | I probably shouldn't jump to reinstalling grub as the host has RAID set up on the box and I'm not sure about how to install grub on it |
| 02:09.56 | ruehrkuchen_slp | then it's apache2.conf |
| 02:10.02 | themill | /etc/apache2/ports.conf probably makes more sense |
| 02:10.04 | SuperPhly | apache2.conf doesn't have listen in it. |
| 02:10.09 | SuperPhly | ports doesn't either. |
| 02:10.17 | themill | that doesn't mean it can't |
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| 02:11.11 | themill | and ports.conf should |
| 02:11.12 | SuperPhly | ok, that did it. |
| 02:11.14 | cruncher | look into ports.conf.. add a "Listen x.x.x.x:80" there |
| 02:11.20 | SuperPhly | It has listen 80 |
| 02:11.37 | ruehrkuchen_slp | you can change that to "listen 1.2.3.4:80" |
| 02:11.44 | SuperPhly | yep, and that worked. |
| 02:11.46 | SuperPhly | thanks guys. |
| 02:11.51 | andril | is there a driver for 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M] (rev a1) |
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| 02:14.45 | teaearlgraycold | At this point I may as well just reinstall the system |
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| 02:21.39 | SuperPhly | How do i fix "Release file expired" when running apt-get? |
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| 02:23.56 | themill | SuperPhly: for which release? |
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| 02:24.48 | SuperPhly | 8u3 |
| 02:25.11 | Brigo | SuperPhly, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2544/how-to-work-around-release-file-expired-problem-on-a-local-mirror |
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| 02:26.22 | Brigo | SuperPhly, check the time and date of the computer too. |
| 02:26.37 | SuperPhly | It's a local mirror for softlayer |
| 02:26.51 | SuperPhly | apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update <--- works, but I don't want to have to type that every time. |
| 02:26.52 | themill | perhaps you could start again |
| 02:27.14 | themill | What are you trying to do and what is not working. Full output of a command in a pastebin would help |
| 02:27.51 | SuperPhly | https://gist.github.com/superphly/a609e3692cb631fa0238 |
| 02:28.14 | Brigo | SuperPhly, check the second answer for an explanation. |
| 02:28.52 | themill | SuperPhly: is that supposed to be a mirror of the debian security archive? |
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| 02:30.35 | themill | (because if it is, it's 11 days out of date and the way to solve the problem is for it not to be out of date) |
| 02:30.57 | SuperPhly | just 14h |
| 02:31.04 | themill | no, 11 days. |
| 02:31.33 | themill | The validity period is 10 days and that finished 14h ago. |
| 02:32.04 | ruehrkuchen_slp | good night |
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| 02:32.27 | sampletext | ilknet |
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| 02:32.39 | ilknet | yes hello |
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| 02:33.42 | Brigo | time to go sleep, bye :) |
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| 02:57.53 | boiert__ | Hi! Question: How do I add +iglx to the Xorg command line when using gdm3? I'm pulling hairs now. |
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| 03:03.39 | Guest62305 | hi, looking for troubleshoot turning a mac over to debian, any help here please? |
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| 03:08.56 | Elronnd | I'm switching from fedora to debian -- should I download the stable or the devel version? |
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| 03:10.12 | morf | Elronnd: stable |
| 03:10.23 | morf | Elronnd: 8.2 / jessie |
| 03:10.36 | Elronnd | kk |
| 03:10.47 | Elronnd | in what situation would I want the devel version? |
| 03:11.12 | nevyn | if you were working on the debian distribution |
| 03:11.28 | Elronnd | as in developing the source? |
| 03:12.38 | nevyn | as in building the packages. |
| 03:12.44 | Elronnd | ah |
| 03:13.20 | nevyn | people working on a distribution may be developers but arn't always |
| 03:13.57 | nevyn | they often ar some projects have no upstream or are debian specific. |
| 03:14.32 | morf | Elronnd: i assume you just want newer software; in that case check jessie backports |
| 03:15.02 | nevyn | !SNSS |
| 03:15.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snss is sns |
| 03:15.09 | nevyn | !sns |
| 03:15.10 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 03:15.24 | morf | oh common don't give me this bs |
| 03:15.36 | nevyn | morf: that wasn't the question |
| 03:15.45 | morf | i'm mind reader |
| 03:15.50 | morf | :P |
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| 03:19.23 | Guest62305 | If there is an invite for me to the #mac room, please do |
| 03:19.54 | aliasd | if the channel is invite only, it's probably not the support channel you are looking for |
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| 03:20.40 | aliasd | Guest62305, if you ask a more specific question then someone might help |
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| 03:22.08 | Guest62305 | The terminal on mac has error code when go to open it |
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| 03:24.29 | Guest62305 | keeps "quit unexpectedly" |
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| 03:28.18 | Guest62305 | which is the macbook computer architecture? |
| 03:29.48 | boiert__ | That depends on the mac's age (the recent 5 years have been amd64/x86_64) |
| 03:30.28 | Elronnd | (which are the same thing) |
| 03:30.49 | boiert__ | (just to cause confusion) |
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| 03:31.59 | boiert__ | So I did: dpkg-divert --local --rename --add /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 03:31.59 | boiert__ | and created /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 03:31.59 | boiert__ | #!/bin/sh |
| 03:31.59 | boiert__ | /usr/bin/Xorg.distrib $* +iglx |
| 03:31.59 | boiert__ | but now X is broken :) |
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| 03:33.18 | boiert__ | What should I do? |
| 03:34.22 | Elronnd | Also, IIRC you should be using $@ not $* |
| 03:36.21 | Guest62305 | the serial number is W8807****** is it an 07 then? |
| 03:36.42 | themill | Guest62305: it sounds like you want ##mac |
| 03:36.46 | Elronnd | Guest62305: btw, I recommend ##apple if #mac is invite-only |
| 03:37.22 | boiert__ | Elronnd: I missed the first thing you said (got kicked) |
| 03:37.39 | Elronnd | boiert__: nothing |
| 03:37.44 | Elronnd | you missed nothing |
| 03:37.50 | boiert__ | k |
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| 03:40.01 | boiert__ | I'll be back ;) |
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| 03:46.26 | Guest62305 | OK, thanks for the reference to mac rooms. The three I've tried are read or invite only, well we'll see how it goes. |
| 03:48.13 | boiert__ | So, the screen stays blank, when I export DISPLAY=:0 and start nautilus it throws Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 Key back at me |
| 03:48.36 | boiert__ | And could not connect: connection refused |
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| 03:49.27 | pbz | good evening |
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| 03:53.00 | pbz | when I do `sudo apt-get install trn`, it says that a lot of packages will be removed: kde, openssh, irssi, etc. |
| 03:53.02 | pbz | why is this? |
| 03:53.58 | themill | pbz: the entire output would probably be good to see |
| 03:55.12 | pbz | themill: let me paste it in pastebin |
| 03:57.11 | Elronnd | Guest62305: ##apple doesn't seem to be invite-only to me |
| 03:57.44 | pbz | themill: http://pastebin.com/P3H3SvX8 |
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| 04:00.09 | themill | pbz: it looks like you're in the middle of a (failed) upgrade. What does "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install" want to do? |
| 04:00.13 | Guest62305 | OK, true /join ##apple says Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 04:00.31 | Elronnd | oh |
| 04:00.37 | Elronnd | register an account with nickserv |
| 04:00.53 | Elronnd | type "/msg nickserv help register" |
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| 04:06.04 | pbz | themill: I said "yes" like 20 days ago (without being conscious of the removing of all those important packages) and in the middle of the process a frightening message on a blue screen said that the kernel I was currently using was going to be removed, so I cancelled and the same happened with kde. |
| 04:06.45 | pbz | I killed the process and the reinstall all the packages looking at the dpkg log |
| 04:06.51 | pbz | * then |
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| 04:07.35 | pbz | and everything went ok, fortunately |
| 04:07.57 | pbz | but I was curious about why installing the trn program was so dangerous |
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| 04:08.44 | boiert__ | the fix was adding exec in front of /usr/bin/Xorg.distrib $@ +iglx :) |
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| 04:13.40 | pbz | so why installing trn does require to remove so many (important) packages? |
| 04:14.31 | pbz | is it because trn is too old? |
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| 04:17.36 | dvs | pbz: because its being installed from another repo? |
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| 04:18.35 | pbz | dvs: I don't think so. I didn't modify the sources.list file |
| 04:18.44 | pbz | the repos were the "default" |
| 04:19.12 | dvs | pbz: Pastebin the output when you try to install trn |
| 04:19.36 | Guest62305 | extra thanks for all the general info |
| 04:20.12 | pbz | dvs: I pasted it several lines above: http://pastebin.com/P3H3SvX8 |
| 04:20.51 | dvs | sorry, I dont understand spanish |
| 04:23.51 | pbz | It should be completely analogous to the English version, I guess. |
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| 04:25.51 | dvs | pbz: Try "apt-get -f install" to see if it still uninstalls all those packages. It may not have anything to do with trn. |
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| 04:27.22 | pbz | 0 actualizados, 0 nuevos se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 16 no actualizados. |
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| 04:28.41 | boiert__ | Some of the 405 packages apt wants to remove include xorg, xserver-xorg, that sounds strange |
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| 04:29.19 | pbz | boiert__: what are those packages? |
| 04:30.20 | boiert__ | they are your graphical windows |
| 04:32.10 | pbz | ohh |
| 04:32.20 | Elronnd | X is the windowing system |
| 04:33.26 | simonlnu | !xorg |
| 04:33.27 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian 4.0 "Etch". To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://x.org/ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:33.57 | pbz | thanks |
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| 04:36.13 | pbz | as I said before, like 20 days ago, I replied "yes" to apt-get and it continued with the remotion of all those packages. several frightening messages on a blue screen appeared |
| 04:37.14 | pbz | asking me if I really wanted to remove that software |
| 04:37.20 | pbz | I replied "no" |
| 04:37.31 | pbz | and then opened a new terminal and killed the apt-get |
| 04:37.47 | pbz | but some packages had been removed, for example ssh |
| 04:37.55 | pbz | and perldoc |
| 04:38.19 | pbz | I could reinstall them all looking at the dpkg log |
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| 04:41.14 | pbz | but I have curiosity about why installing trn is so bad for the system |
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| 04:46.32 | pbz | somebody knows? |
| 04:47.38 | simonlnu | dunno, myself |
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| 04:49.08 | pbz | thanks simonlnu |
| 04:49.47 | pbz | maybe the mantainer of the trn packages? |
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| 04:52.44 | pbz | this looks worrying to me, because an innocent user could make several damage to its system trying to install a trn. a bigger warning should be displayed. |
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| 04:59.17 | simonlnu | pbz: check the depends for trn |
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| 05:02.50 | pbz | simonlnu: this is the dpgk log of the day I tried tinstall trn since I said "yes" to apt-get until I killed the process: http://pastebin.com/0jRbswDE |
| 05:03.28 | pbz | and these are the lines that only says "remove": http://pastebin.com/gBAYakkb |
| 05:03.32 | pbz | say * |
| 05:03.57 | pbz | all those were the ones I reinstalled |
| 05:06.40 | boiert__ | ow, you lost all the task-* |
| 05:07.07 | boiert__ | maybe you can run tasksel and re-select desktop, laptop, etc |
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| 05:09.28 | pbz | boiert__: but if I reinstalled thme, everything is ok now, isn't it? |
| 05:09.31 | pbz | them* |
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| 05:13.43 | pbz | and... another question: in a extreme situation like this, what is it recommended? I pressed ^C trying to send SIGINT to apt-get but it didn't do anything |
| 05:13.57 | pbz | I was a bit desperate so I found out the pid of apt-get and killed it |
| 05:14.14 | pbz | but looks like an awkward solution |
| 05:14.54 | pbz | I didn't wanted it to continue removing packages... |
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| 05:15.01 | pbz | want* |
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| 05:19.42 | simonlnu | rm the lock file after getting the permissions and owner:group /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 05:19.59 | simonlnu | then re-create it. re-run your update |
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| 05:22.05 | pbz | simonlnu: I don't understand you :/ |
| 05:22.35 | simonlnu | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 1 23:38 /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 05:23.01 | simonlnu | that file. rm it, then re-make it. touch /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 05:23.15 | simonlnu | thenre-run apt-get or whatever |
| 05:23.20 | simonlnu | then r* |
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| 05:23.58 | pbz | Oh, fine |
| 05:24.06 | pbz | I have different permissions: -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 sep 8 17:50 /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 05:24.20 | simonlnu | that's what i do when I've killed it. yeah, keep those |
| 05:24.30 | simonlnu | chmod 640 |
| 05:25.08 | pbz | why removing that file is needed when killing apt-get ? |
| 05:25.26 | simonlnu | (side note: i seem to have grown a new _apt user) |
| 05:25.45 | simonlnu | because dpkg and the apt stuff use that to stop contention |
| 05:25.56 | simonlnu | read up on lock files |
| 05:26.54 | pbz | when I cat it, the output is empty. |
| 05:26.56 | pbz | is that normal? |
| 05:27.07 | simonlnu | yes |
| 05:27.12 | pbz | (I haven't rm it and recreate it with touch) |
| 05:27.23 | simonlnu | you can see that up there |
| 05:27.32 | simonlnu | root root 0 |
| 05:27.39 | simonlnu | the 0 is the file size |
| 05:27.51 | pbz | yep , you're right. |
| 05:27.58 | pbz | silly question |
| 05:28.00 | pbz | :P |
| 05:28.01 | simonlnu | it just needs to exist |
| 05:32.52 | pbz | simonlnu: is something wrong with the task-* packages? |
| 05:33.11 | pbz | if I reinstall them, everything is ok, right? |
| 05:34.45 | pbz | how can I check the dependencies of the trn package? |
| 05:35.04 | simonlnu | moment please |
| 05:35.31 | pbz | of course, no hurries |
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| 05:38.48 | simonlnu | try dpkg --configure -a and dpkg --configure --pending and then reinstall anything needing it |
| 05:39.14 | simonlnu | apt-cache show <pkg>. man apt-cache |
| 05:44.29 | pbz | Thanks simonlnu |
| 05:44.49 | pbz | the depends of trn are: "Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libncurses5 (>= 5.7+20100313), inews | inewsinn, debconf (>= 0.5)" |
| 05:45.31 | pbz | I still don't understand why apt-get wants to remove 405 packages when I try to install it. |
| 05:46.21 | simonlnu | try with aptitude |
| 05:47.01 | simonlnu | use the ui. some useful keys are _ - + _ == purge - == remove + == install |
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| 05:47.21 | simonlnu | i find aptitude better at solving sticky issues |
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| 05:47.53 | simonlnu | apparently the cli is just as good. haven't tried yet. |
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| 05:49.02 | pbz | are you suggesting me to install trn with aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 05:49.15 | pbz | I think I won't try to install it again :P |
| 05:49.27 | pbz | just in case I mess up things again |
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| 05:51.37 | Elronnd | I'm trying to put debian on a USB |
| 05:51.52 | Elronnd | and dd if=/path/to/debian.iso of=/dev/sg0 returns "dd: writing to ‘/dev/sg0’: Function not implemented" |
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| 05:54.53 | simonlnu | yes i am |
| 05:55.20 | simonlnu | Elronnd: you sure it's at sg0 ? |
| 05:55.38 | markybob | pretty sure it aint |
| 05:56.51 | Elronnd | Wait, now it works |
| 05:57.04 | Elronnd | apparently the USB3 port on my computer works weirdly |
| 05:57.14 | Elronnd | it's working now though |
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| 06:45.13 | alef | hello world |
| 06:45.15 | alef | http://garantert.net/madMAGAZINE/AmigaOS3.1_source_code.tar.bz2 |
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| 06:47.02 | alef | happy coding |
| 06:47.27 | morf | no |
| 06:47.38 | alef | no not today |
| 06:47.41 | alef | it is Sunday |
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| 06:50.27 | EgoAleSum | hello. i’m trying to install Debian 7 on a USB stick connected to a server with 4 hdds. Problem is that my USB drive appears as /dev/sdf so the installation of the bootloader (on /dev/sda) fails. How can I fix that? On the BIOS (actually, UEFI), the USB is the first one on the boot order, |
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| 06:53.39 | thomax | lo! i need to install an older debian (4.0). i would prefer a netinst but the netinst image (4.0_r9) didn't find the right repository (i tried archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-4.0) what is the trick? |
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| 07:14.48 | maziar | what is sources.list default value, i deleted it |
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| 07:16.28 | markybob | wow |
| 07:16.33 | markybob | !sources.list |
| 07:16.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 07:18.07 | thomax | sighs |
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| 07:30.13 | maziar | is there any how to for compile bind on debian jessie 8.2 ? |
| 07:31.12 | KNERD | ./configure && make && make install ? |
| 07:31.46 | markybob | maziar, sudo apt-get build-dep bind9 && apt-get -b source bind9 && sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
| 07:32.19 | maziar | markybob i want to do it from tar file |
| 07:33.06 | markybob | maziar, so do the build-dep step and then follow the instructions in their README file or website |
| 07:33.48 | jim | maziar, you might as well build the package... but, what's wrong with the bind that;s already packaged? |
| 07:34.19 | maziar | jim i want to change directory to /usr/local/bind/ |
| 07:34.34 | jim | hmm. |
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| 07:35.06 | jim | debian packages (well official ones anyway) are not permitted to touch /usr/local |
| 07:35.30 | jim | what has you wanting that dir? |
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| 07:35.53 | jim | avoids the word "why" |
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| 07:36.37 | mahdi | hi very one, i am not much familiar to debian,, compared to ubutnu. i need to install debian on a server. which version should i install? is it like ubuntu server publish in LTS manner? |
| 07:37.09 | markybob | mahdi, https://wiki.debian.org/LTS i'd install jessie |
| 07:37.31 | jim | mahdi, without knowing anything else,,, I'd guess debian jessie, which is considered the latest stable |
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| 07:38.12 | mahdi | marybob jim, thanks, i dind'nt know there is debian LTS |
| 07:38.22 | Jsync | Hello, I just updated a Debian OS & suddenly I am getting an error when I try to open a HDD. It says, "error, unknown filesystem type 'ext3' |
| 07:38.25 | mahdi | *markybob |
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| 07:39.39 | jim | mahdi, there are companies who probably do paid support contracts... and, that's also the schedule this channel will drop support for those |
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| 07:41.02 | jim | Jsync, did you build a kernel? |
| 07:41.13 | jeddi | mahdi: i agree with jim - Ubuntu LTS equiv is Debian stable (currently jessie). see: https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 07:41.15 | Jsync | jim, no, I just updated |
| 07:42.00 | jim | hmm |
| 07:42.23 | Jsync | Ubuntu has some posts about it, though not specific to a Debian Upgrade |
| 07:42.54 | jim | Jsync, can you reboot into an earlier kernel? |
| 07:43.12 | Jsync | One of the posts mentions that usually Ubuntu determines the type of file system & something was missing |
| 07:43.26 | Jsync | jim, I am not sure. I didn't try to reboot yet |
| 07:43.35 | jim | thinks the first thing is to get your disks mounted |
| 07:43.40 | jim | ohh |
| 07:43.58 | jim | so you updated, but did not reboot... is that right? |
| 07:44.00 | Jsync | What if my root filesystem doesn't mount? |
| 07:44.08 | Jsync | Yes jim, that's right |
| 07:44.37 | Jsync | I think it usually asks me to reboot if it's necessary to the upgrade, right? |
| 07:44.48 | markybob | Jsync, no |
| 07:44.56 | jim | -probably- you have to reboot |
| 07:45.07 | Jsync | So, is that some sort of rule, to reboot after upgrades? |
| 07:45.14 | markybob | yes |
| 07:45.22 | Jsync | nobody told me. |
| 07:45.27 | Jsync | 0.o |
| 07:45.58 | jim | jsync, especially if that upgrade installed a new kernel |
| 07:46.35 | jim | also, you might have a new libc, and it would be good to reboot to get that |
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| 07:47.37 | jim | or new libs in general |
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| 07:48.34 | jeddi | Jsync: it's one of those IT things where everyone agrees to lie for the sake of simplicity - 99 times out of 100 you don't to reboot after upgrades, but a kernel upgrade requires it, and a desktop/windowing system *probably* needs it... and it's generally easier to advise people to restart until they work out what actually requires a restart, or a logout/login, or nothing at all. |
| 07:49.12 | jim | Jsync, so, yeah, you probably need to reboot |
| 07:49.26 | Jsync | jim, haha, that did work! |
| 07:49.28 | Jsync | :) |
| 07:49.33 | Jsync | Thanks! |
| 07:49.34 | elronnd_ | I accidentally set root's shell to something invalid, and su -s isn't actually running the shell specified with -s; but just complaining about the missing shell |
| 07:49.42 | jim | good, welcome |
| 07:49.45 | Jsync | Does anybody want to help me fix my sound? |
| 07:49.58 | Jsync | That happened before the upgrade, though just yesterday |
| 07:50.09 | Jsync | I removed a NVIDIA card & suddenly had no sound |
| 07:50.30 | mahdi | jeddi thanks |
| 07:50.32 | Jsync | I think it had something to do with Jack. I tried to install the Jack Server & lost sound |
| 07:50.36 | jim | hmm |
| 07:51.11 | Jsync | My soundcard is recognized in lcpci I think |
| 07:51.15 | Jsync | though not other lists |
| 07:51.30 | jeddi | elronnd_: do you use sudo? can you sudo bash, and then fix /etc/passwd or run chsh for root? |
| 07:51.30 | Jsync | because it's intel |
| 07:52.20 | elronnd_ | jeddi: sudo doesn't seem to be installed by default |
| 07:53.28 | jeddi | elronnd_: time to reboot with the ol' init= trick. |
| 07:53.44 | elronnd_ | jeddi: what is that trick? |
| 07:53.49 | elronnd_ | something to do with grub? |
| 07:53.51 | jeddi | elronnd_: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=linux+grub+boot+to+root+shell : ) |
| 07:54.10 | jeddi | yes. pass the init parameter to grub linux line ... |
| 07:54.39 | elronnd_ | okay, thanks |
| 07:55.19 | jeddi | elronnd_: actually can't you pass a command with su? |
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| 07:55.46 | jeddi | elronnd_: su root -c /bin/bash |
| 07:55.48 | jim | Jsync, if you could run lspci -nn and look for the line that describes your card.. looking for the thing that looks like [1234:abcd] |
| 07:56.08 | jeddi | Elronnd: actually ... oh .. he's gone. |
| 07:56.55 | Jsync | jim, I found "00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01)" |
| 07:58.18 | jim | judd, pciid [8086:27d8] |
| 07:58.18 | Jsync | I guess when I did a remove nvidia*, I lost a driver I needed maybe? |
| 07:58.19 | judd | [8086:27d8] is 'NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27d8 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 07:59.21 | jim | I forgot the dpkg-reconfigure invocation for different sound cards... |
| 08:00.27 | Jsync | judd, it's the eMachine W3653 |
| 08:00.47 | Jsync | jim, you're supposed to write that down |
| 08:00.50 | Jsync | :) |
| 08:01.23 | jim | judd is a bot, an interface to the ultimate debian database... udd |
| 08:01.35 | Jsync | jim, I wasn't aware of that |
| 08:01.53 | Jsync | the link asked for more info, so I told what the machine actually was |
| 08:03.25 | Jsync | so, the only thing I did was remove nvidia*. When I was messing with Jack, I did a stop Pulse drivers, though that didn't make me lose sound. Not until I removed the Nvidia card & drivers did I lose sound (close occurrences in date though)( |
| 08:04.03 | Jsync | I was trying to get IDJC to work |
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| 08:05.36 | Jsync | I have a lot of musicians in my online group that use Debian or Ubuntu. Not many are so savvy though. |
| 08:06.12 | Jsync | distinct of that, I am friends with a guy working on Mixxx. He uses Pulse. I didn't get a chance to talk with him yet though. |
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| 08:08.25 | jim | Jsync, what happens when you do: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 08:08.50 | jim | error? list of devices? |
| 08:08.51 | Jsync | No such file or directory |
| 08:08.57 | jim | ok |
| 08:10.10 | Jsync | since lcpci gets the card, does that mean it should work with the right driver? |
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| 08:10.29 | jim | I would think so |
| 08:10.59 | jim | but not necessarily because lspci sees it |
| 08:11.13 | Jsync | I would try to reach Drako (Mixxx programmer) & ask him, though it's late |
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| 08:12.52 | Jsync | I am not terribly good at diagnosing problems. I am more the artistic type. I do 3D graphic design stuff & a little work with Python - not so much else |
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| 08:18.58 | jim | Jsync, what happens if you do (as root): modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 08:19.14 | Jsync | I can do some programming tasks. I am just learning .json file systems & programming. I am using lists to identify programmed things, though I am a "novice" programmer probably. If somebody hired me to do something, I'd be an "expert" at that something maybe. ^.^ |
| 08:20.08 | Jsync | jim, whatever it did, it didn't tell or show me. |
| 08:20.20 | jim | so, no output? |
| 08:20.37 | jim | that's sometimes good news |
| 08:20.58 | jim | now look at dmesg | tail |
| 08:21.00 | Jsync | yeah, no output. Back to hash |
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| 08:21.49 | jim | Jsync, what happens -now- when you do: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 08:22.22 | jim | still no such file? |
| 08:22.48 | Jsync | a lot of network stuff, then this: [108813.511539] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: irq 40 for MSI/MSI-X |
| 08:22.48 | Jsync | [108813.511582] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: setting latency timer to 64 |
| 08:22.48 | Jsync | [108813.564536] hda_codec: ALC883: BIOS auto-probing. |
| 08:22.48 | Jsync | [108813.566874] input: HDA Digital PCBeep as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input5 |
| 08:22.48 | Jsync | [108813.573780] input: HDA Intel Headphone as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card0/input6 |
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| 08:23.26 | Jsync | sorry about that |
| 08:23.34 | Jsync | I should have pasted that. Just 3 lines |
| 08:23.43 | jim | yeah, you don't want to paste on the channel... but that looks good so far, at least it's good news |
| 08:23.48 | Jsync | ok, I missed the message jim |
| 08:24.12 | jim | Jsync, what happens -now- when you do: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 08:24.26 | jim | (just look at it, don't paste it :) |
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| 08:25.12 | Jsync | jim, I pasted the output |
| 08:25.35 | Jsync | now, there's output |
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| 08:25.36 | jim | ok, so that file -does- exist now? |
| 08:25.43 | Jsync | Yeah |
| 08:26.02 | jim | (presumably as a result of the modprobe) |
| 08:26.19 | Jsync | right, that makes sense |
| 08:26.28 | jim | takes a wild shot in the dark black... |
| 08:26.31 | NahUndFern | What is the best way to block a certain package from being installed? Even if in result, other packages break. |
| 08:26.42 | jim | try: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-driver |
| 08:26.46 | Jsync | purge, NahUndFern |
| 08:27.35 | jim | NahUndFern, you can put it on hold in aptitude (that's one choice) |
| 08:27.40 | Jsync | alsa-driver is not installed (& not a recognized package) |
| 08:28.08 | jim | my shot in the dark missed! |
| 08:28.18 | Jsync | well, not necessarily jim |
| 08:28.28 | Jsync | It's just not called "alsa-driver" |
| 08:28.36 | Jsync | What's the alsa driver package name? |
| 08:28.47 | NahUndFern | jim: Thanks, although are you saying to purge after the install? jim: If i put it on hold, will it still install? Or not install at all |
| 08:28.57 | NahUndFern | Jsync: 1* |
| 08:29.19 | Jsync | NahUndFern, do what we both said. Put it on hold, then purge/remove it |
| 08:29.22 | jim | NahUndFern, did it inadvertantly get installed? |
| 08:30.02 | Jsync | jim, it's probably something that Gnome depends on or something. I have removed some of those packages in my experience |
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| 08:30.33 | Jsync | I removed LaTeX - causing problems with particular files |
| 08:30.58 | NahUndFern | jim: Jsync: No, i would like to install a package that will in turn install the package i would not like to have on my system as a dependency. With no install recommends, it still appears |
| 08:31.25 | Jsync | install, then remove the dependency you do not want |
| 08:31.44 | Jsync | though your installed package probably won't/might not work |
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| 08:32.21 | jim | likely if you remove something something else depends on, something else cant run any more and will be removed too |
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| 08:32.30 | JyZyXEL | how can i make sure that CIFS mounts that are blocking and timing out everything will be automatically lazy unmounted? |
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| 08:33.35 | jim | Jsync, yeah, I can't remember how to do this... but we know the driver seems to work |
| 08:33.46 | NahUndFern | jim: Jsync: There's only one way to find out. This machine I'm using now is not my main one, so I'm okay with things breaking. I know it probably wont work. However, i have used this package without that dependancy on many other distros |
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| 08:34.27 | Jsync | jim, I did a dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 08:34.34 | Jsync | nothing seemed to happen |
| 08:34.53 | jim | hmm, one sec |
| 08:34.57 | Jsync | Still no devices listed in Settings > Sound |
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| 08:35.39 | NahUndFern | Jsync: I joined late, so i missed your problem, but is it regarding amixer not working? |
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| 08:36.13 | NahUndFern | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.20 | Jsync | NahUndFern, no sound at all after I removed a Nvidia card & did a aptitude remove nvidia* |
| 08:36.58 | jim | NahUndFern, he removed a sound card, and needs to have his system remember the new (or preexisting) card... I thought it was done with dpkg-reconfigure somepackage |
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| 08:37.24 | Jsync | jim, would I need alsa-firmware-loaders package for my soundcard? |
| 08:37.58 | jim | dunno... maybe, if your soundcard needs firmware |
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| 08:39.17 | NahUndFern | I've had problems like this before, although i don't know if they are related. I'm no expert at all, but i know i can never get sound working on alsa unless i first create an asound.conf listing the correct card and putting it in /etc/asound.conf and /usr/share/alsa/asound.conf |
| 08:39.58 | Jsync | jim, my nvidia card was actually a video card. It didn't have a thing to do with sound. That's what's got my in a pickle about this even being a problem |
| 08:40.05 | Jsync | I thought firmware meant hardware |
| 08:40.54 | Jsync | NahUndFern, I have not had to configure a thing to get sound thus far before. It's always just worked with install |
| 08:41.17 | jim | firmware is a chunk of low-level (even below the driver) software that often gets transferred to the device |
| 08:41.19 | NahUndFern | Jsync: Alsa always thinks my video card is a sound one, that's why i create the asound.conf file. Although this was an intel one |
| 08:41.58 | Jsync | yeah NahUndFern, that's probably why I couldn't get Jack to work. It listed my Nvidia card as a Sound potential |
| 08:42.09 | Jsync | because of the HDMI? |
| 08:42.19 | NahUndFern | Jsync: Can you see your card in alsamixer? |
| 08:42.26 | Jsync | (I think HDMI includes sound) |
| 08:42.28 | NahUndFern | Jsync: yes the hdmi |
| 08:42.34 | jim | just so I'm assuming the right thing... you actually turned the machine off, and removed a card? |
| 08:43.24 | Jsync | NahUndFern, yeah, my Realtek ALC883 is in Gnome ALSA Mixer |
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| 08:44.02 | Jsync | jim, yeah, I turned off the machine & removed the Nvidia & did a aptitude remove nvidia* |
| 08:44.20 | jim | NahUndFern, I had him modprobe snd-hda-intel earlier |
| 08:44.28 | NahUndFern | Jsync: So wait, is it just one card showing? |
| 08:44.49 | Jsync | yeah, just the intel card |
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| 08:45.00 | Jsync | though not in Settings > Sound |
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| 08:45.23 | Jsync | should I restart after all these changes to see if it works now? |
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| 08:48.23 | NahUndFern | Jsync: I'm a little confused, your saying you can't see it in gnome alsamixer, but what if you just type in alsamixer in the terminal. I think after that you can press f6 and choose a card |
| 08:48.31 | NahUndFern | you're* |
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| 08:49.07 | Jsync | NahUndFern, AlsaMixer sees my audio card, though Settings > Sounds doesn't see my card |
| 08:49.23 | NahUndFern | Oh okay |
| 08:49.31 | Jsync | I am thinking I should restart |
| 08:49.58 | NahUndFern | Out of curiosity is your card is listed as 0, or 1? |
| 08:50.16 | Jsync | 0 |
| 08:50.17 | jim | if we can get his system to remember his hew sound hardware setup, then after that he should probably restart to let the gui know about the card |
| 08:50.47 | Jsync | jim, I think ALSA Mixer suddenly sees my card |
| 08:51.01 | Jsync | though still nothing in Settings > Sounds |
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| 08:51.30 | Jsync | it's the dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base that seems to have got me seen |
| 08:51.50 | jim | right, because we modprobed |
| 08:52.03 | Jsync | so, should I restart? |
| 08:52.12 | Jsync | see if it works in System Settings? |
| 08:52.13 | jim | it's worth a try |
| 08:52.21 | Jsync | nods, "brb |
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| 08:55.12 | NahUndFern | Jsync: Any success? |
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| 08:56.29 | jim | Jsync, lsmod | grep snd-hda-intel |
| 08:56.56 | jim | no lines? or some lines? |
| 08:56.58 | Jsync | ok jim, at boot I got "Starting Open Sound System: failed! No kernel modules detected" |
| 08:56.58 | Jsync | Still no sound devices listed in System Settings > Sound |
| 08:57.24 | Jsync | ninguno | none |
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| 08:58.27 | omid8bimo | I need help on error "Out of socket memory". I have a debian server with RabbitMQ installed, after a few hours of traffic, i get this error and RabbitMQ stops accepting connections. any solution? |
| 08:58.43 | NahUndFern | Jsync: I don't know if this is even helpful, though i have had very similar problems on every distro. It never works for me and i get errors untill i add this https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/1a32ce795b8fa42a91cf/raw |
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| 08:59.22 | Jsync | I just did a dpkg-reconfigure oss4-base |
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| 09:00.43 | Jsync | NahUndFern, you have a card that lists as 1 & is device 0? |
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| 09:01.11 | Jsync | it must list differently with the different programs I am thinking |
| 09:02.22 | NahUndFern | Jsync: In alsamixer it has both intel hdmi and intel pch, the hdmi card is always selected by default unless i make that change |
| 09:02.37 | Jsync | ahh |
| 09:02.56 | Jsync | because your video card interrupts your sound card selection. That makes sense |
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| 09:03.25 | NahUndFern | hdmi listed as 0, and pch listed as 1. However, i do not remember if they changed places after i did that |
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| 09:05.55 | Jsync | :( This is frustrating me. |
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| 09:06.22 | Jsync | I have 1TB of music on this machine & I am listening to the sound of silence instead. :( |
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| 09:11.05 | otyugh_ | hey. I've a USB stick that does not show when I do "blkid". There is also no /dev/sdX poping up. What do you do in this case ? |
| 09:11.39 | otyugh_ | lsusb show me there is something, but I can't format or anything :s |
| 09:11.41 | NahUndFern | Jsync: Damn, I hope things work out for you |
| 09:12.04 | Jsync | lol, you giveup NahUndFern? |
| 09:12.41 | NahUndFern | Jsync: Unfortunately I'm out of ideas :( |
| 09:13.21 | Jsync | Yeah, I have oss4-base installed, as well as alsa-oss. I did a dpkg-reconfigure for both of them. Do I need to restart again? |
| 09:14.26 | NahUndFern | It can't hurt. Also, check for error messages while rebooting regarding sound or sound card |
| 09:15.06 | jim | did any of the dpkg-reconfigures ask questions? |
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| 09:19.04 | Jsync | I think I found the answer here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65322 |
| 09:19.14 | Jsync | He had to remove all the OSS stuff, then it worked |
| 09:19.19 | Jsync | doing a restart. brb |
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| 09:22.18 | Jsync | alright, I didn't get the "Open Sound System: Failed!" message at boot, though still no sound. :( |
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| 09:22.52 | Jsync | System Settings > Sound does not show hardware or devices. :( |
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| 09:36.07 | Kalimer0 | Failed to start samba.service: Unit samba.service is masked. how can i fix it |
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| 09:46.36 | han-solo | hello |
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| 09:46.52 | han-solo | i cannot find the package gcc for debian |
| 09:47.03 | Kalimer0 | Failed to start samba.service: Unit samba.service is masked. how can i fix it |
| 09:47.20 | han-solo | can someone give me a repo for gcc,g++,javac(jessie) |
| 09:48.02 | han-solo | ? |
| 09:48.21 | Kalimer0 | han-solo: it should be included at least gcc as i know |
| 09:48.35 | han-solo | i don't have it |
| 09:48.58 | han-solo | it have cpp though |
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| 09:50.38 | bolt | han-solo: apt-get install build-essential |
| 09:51.18 | han-solo | E: Package 'build-essential' has no installation candidate |
| 09:51.19 | nwe | hello, I have setup tftpd-hpa server, the problem I got is that it wont start when I running /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start |
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| 09:51.36 | bolt | han-solo: try apt-get update, and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin |
| 09:51.46 | han-solo | okay |
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| 09:52.29 | bolt | !error message >nwe |
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| 09:58.47 | han-solo | it says, A network mirror was not selected during install. |
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| 09:59.51 | han-solo | you should amend them as appropriate # for your mirror of choice. |
| 10:00.32 | han-solo | http://pastebin.com/KedFs8Xn |
| 10:01.01 | jim | han-solo, did you recently make this installation of debian? |
| 10:01.14 | han-solo | yes |
| 10:01.15 | han-solo | very recently |
| 10:01.28 | jim | ok, are you still in the installer? |
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| 10:01.40 | jim | or did it reboot? |
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| 10:02.05 | han-solo | i mean, i installed it yesterday |
| 10:02.16 | jim | and it rebooted? |
| 10:02.29 | han-solo | yes |
| 10:02.52 | jim | ok,,, when you do: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 10:03.02 | jim | it does nothing? |
| 10:03.35 | han-solo | no |
| 10:04.04 | jim | and, also, there is no output from that command, right? |
| 10:04.15 | han-solo | yeah |
| 10:04.20 | jim | ok... |
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| 10:04.37 | jim | does it work when you: ping yahoo.com? |
| 10:04.50 | beepie | han-solo, apt-get update, apt-get install <package> |
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| 10:05.02 | beepie | han-solo, apt-cache policy gcc |
| 10:05.19 | jim | beepie, that;s not going to do it (yet) :) |
| 10:05.32 | han-solo | all is none |
| 10:05.39 | han-solo | pin: not found |
| 10:05.43 | beepie | han-solo, then you're missing repos |
| 10:05.53 | han-solo | yes |
| 10:05.54 | beepie | han-solo, you don't even have 'main' set |
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| 10:06.29 | han-solo | yeah |
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| 10:06.32 | jim | try again, use ping (not pin) |
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| 10:06.47 | beepie | han-solo, what country are you in? i can try to find a good mirror for the apt sources.list |
| 10:06.51 | han-solo | so should i reinstall it again? |
| 10:06.51 | jim | ping yahoo.com |
| 10:06.56 | han-solo | india |
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| 10:07.16 | jim | beepie, sec. I got this |
| 10:07.28 | han-solo | 64 bytes from ir2.fp.vip.bf1.yahoo.com (98.139.183.24): icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=503 ms |
| 10:07.40 | beepie | han-solo, can you post on pastebin.com /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 10:07.44 | jim | oh good :) so, your network is good |
| 10:07.56 | beepie | jim, i think he's already on irc |
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| 10:08.10 | jim | with which machine tho? |
| 10:08.13 | han-solo | http://pastebin.com/KedFs8Xn |
| 10:08.38 | han-solo | the debian one |
| 10:09.37 | beepie | han-solo, add this to sources.list ' deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free ' |
| 10:09.42 | beepie | han-solo, apt-get update, |
| 10:09.44 | jim | han-solo, what happens when you do: apt-get update |
| 10:09.54 | beepie | han-solo, then i'll see how you can add the india repo -- for faster downloading |
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| 10:10.33 | han-solo | ok |
| 10:10.36 | beepie | han-solo, usually i just clone what is in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list < but just take this as a tip for next time |
| 10:10.45 | beepie | han-solo, after apt-get update, do apt-get install netselect-apt |
| 10:10.57 | han-solo | ok |
| 10:11.02 | beepie | han-solo, you did already? |
| 10:11.06 | jim | I didn't know about that example file |
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| 10:11.12 | han-solo | no |
| 10:11.29 | han-solo | it is updating ||||||||||||| |
| 10:11.40 | beepie | han-solo, do apt-get install netselect-apt |
| 10:11.43 | jim | good... ' |
| 10:12.10 | beepie | han-solo, did it install? |
| 10:12.14 | han-solo | You see, i've a very bad conn. ACtually it's dial-up using my cellphone |
| 10:12.16 | turtlehat | Hello, i have an application listening on port 80, netstat -a shows its listening, but when i do curl 127.0.0.1 i get connection refused, what could be going on? |
| 10:12.52 | beepie | turtlehat, things that listen are usually called 'server' or 'server applications' |
| 10:12.55 | han-solo | 35% |
| 10:13.04 | beepie | turtlehat, applications usually dont do any listening |
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| 10:13.10 | turtlehat | beepie, in this case its a node.js script |
| 10:13.13 | turtlehat | but yes |
| 10:14.10 | beepie | turtlehat, that's very non-debian , there's npm dedicated channels for this |
| 10:14.18 | ledufakademy | hello |
| 10:14.19 | turtlehat | its not a node issue |
| 10:14.20 | beepie | turtlehat, could be that you're not using the node pacakge |
| 10:14.22 | turtlehat | its a debian issue |
| 10:14.42 | beepie | turtlehat, iptables -L -n , shows any blockage? |
| 10:14.43 | jim | han-solo, so the download seems to be going, but pretty slow... beepie will get you a closer and faster mirror... |
| 10:14.44 | ledufakademy | can someone advice me a good rela time monitoring tool (where i can display protocol , ip etc) |
| 10:14.51 | turtlehat | i dont have iptables on the machine |
| 10:15.01 | jim | once that's done, you can try apt-get install build-essential again |
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| 10:15.12 | han-solo | OK. Thanks |
| 10:15.15 | turtlehat | beepie, i dont have iptables on the machine |
| 10:15.19 | beepie | turtlehat, you said port 80 is being listened on, did you check the listening ip address? |
| 10:15.27 | turtlehat | *.* |
| 10:15.34 | han-solo | yeah |
| 10:15.46 | beepie | han-solo, can you inform what happened? |
| 10:15.48 | beepie | han-solo, |
| 10:16.02 | han-solo | download at 47% |
| 10:16.06 | turtlehat | beepie: netstat shows: tcp 0 0 b3nny:http *:* LISTEN |
| 10:16.13 | jim | so it's still going |
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| 10:16.33 | han-solo | I only get a avg speed of say 5kbps max |
| 10:16.51 | han-solo | sorry about that |
| 10:16.54 | beepie | turtlehat, well something is running, you can always try a telnet->http and see about diagnosing node.js this way |
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| 10:17.04 | jim | we'll fix that in a minute |
| 10:17.15 | beepie | han-solo, what type of modem is it? 33.6? |
| 10:17.25 | turtlehat | beepie, telnet gives me connection refused too |
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| 10:17.41 | han-solo | It my Nokia E72 |
| 10:17.42 | han-solo | :) |
| 10:17.44 | beepie | turtlehat, you'll have to google for telnet->node diagnostic tips |
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| 10:18.02 | han-solo | and a 2G conn. |
| 10:18.15 | beepie | han-solo, what is "running" at the moment? |
| 10:18.19 | beepie | han-solo, apt-get update? |
| 10:18.25 | han-solo | the update |
| 10:18.26 | han-solo | 54% |
| 10:18.31 | beepie | han-solo, that's way too slow |
| 10:18.42 | beepie | han-solo, it's impossible to work like this... |
| 10:18.49 | jim | don't kill it tho, just wait for it |
| 10:18.51 | han-solo | yeah, i know |
| 10:18.58 | beepie | han-solo, it's too impossible |
| 10:19.04 | beepie | han-solo, you need a better connection |
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| 10:19.07 | han-solo | yeah |
| 10:19.30 | beepie | han-solo, you might make it a bit faster by editing sources.list directly to put india repos in it |
| 10:19.51 | beepie | han-solo, i would of said to use 'netselect-apt -c india' , and that should find the fastest repo for you |
| 10:19.55 | jim | it'll be about 4-5 mins, just wait :) |
| 10:19.59 | han-solo | i usually use irssi for irc, 'co the conn. is too slow |
| 10:20.08 | han-solo | but the irssi is not available atm. |
| 10:20.08 | beepie | han-solo, then you paste that and add "debian main non-free contrib" to that url to sources.list |
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| 10:20.16 | turtlehat | beepie: i figured it out, thanks |
| 10:20.25 | beepie | han-solo, -- then #comment-out the other lines... and apt-get update, to use just india sources |
| 10:21.01 | han-solo | ok |
| 10:21.19 | beepie | han-solo, you might have to keep the security-volatile line there... |
| 10:21.24 | Sayona | Hi, what kind of version debian you recomanded me to install? |
| 10:21.32 | Sayona | jigdo ? |
| 10:21.38 | beepie | han-solo, and you can add "backports" |
| 10:21.42 | han-solo | you guys must be using google fibre, i presume |
| 10:21.46 | jim | Sayona, which one do you want? |
| 10:21.47 | beepie | Sayona, the original only |
| 10:21.57 | beepie | Sayona, any other derivative should have it's #channel |
| 10:22.00 | Sayona | what is the difference |
| 10:22.03 | beepie | Sayona, only debian.org is supported |
| 10:22.11 | beepie | Sayona, no clue, you'll have to check with that derivative |
| 10:22.22 | han-solo | ok |
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| 10:22.38 | Sayona | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 10:22.42 | jim | Sayona, what will this be for? |
| 10:22.46 | han-solo | weird, update just went down to 28% |
| 10:22.51 | Sayona | for testing propouse |
| 10:23.02 | Sayona | want to testing ( samba, web, etc.. ) |
| 10:23.17 | beepie | Sayona, those are not versions or debian derivatives, they're install builds for different purposes -- sometimes installers are better downloaded from smaller isoz for "servers" and command-line only interfaces |
| 10:23.25 | beepie | Sayona, netinst doesnt come with the gui |
| 10:23.34 | Sayona | I know |
| 10:23.38 | beepie | Sayona, it's more oriented for server systems and network-boots |
| 10:23.39 | Sayona | thans |
| 10:23.45 | Sayona | yes |
| 10:23.52 | Sayona | i need only command line |
| 10:23.55 | jim | so is this going to be a server? |
| 10:23.59 | Sayona | yap |
| 10:24.04 | beepie | Sayona, that would be the most minimal one you can go with |
| 10:24.15 | Sayona | debian is the best stable |
| 10:24.21 | beepie | Sayona, note amd64 build means it will also work on intel x86_64 |
| 10:24.22 | jim | ok, then probably debian 8.2 |
| 10:24.31 | beepie | Sayona, in case you don't know this |
| 10:24.40 | Sayona | yes i have intel |
| 10:24.57 | beepie | Sayona, the "amd64" applies to both amd and intel x86_64 bit processors |
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| 10:25.11 | Sayona | is oki? |
| 10:25.25 | Sayona | to install this if i have intel? |
| 10:25.41 | beepie | Sayona, yes, "amd64" is just a label of convenience, it covers both of these chips |
| 10:25.43 | beepie | !amd64 |
| 10:25.43 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
| 10:25.48 | jim | Sayona, yes, and have you installed using a netinstall before? |
| 10:25.49 | Sayona | :* |
| 10:25.58 | Sayona | yes i used netinstall |
| 10:26.03 | Sayona | becouse come a clean install |
| 10:26.09 | Sayona | and I will put only what i want |
| 10:26.34 | jim | ok, the one you linked to is a good one to install for you (since you want a server) |
| 10:27.06 | beepie | Sayona, if your "network hardware" requires proprietary firmware then your networking won't work |
| 10:27.17 | Sayona | :* |
| 10:27.27 | beepie | (you will have to find a way to get the proprietary firmware manually) |
| 10:27.45 | jim | but, the netinstall image will allow you to install the base from the image |
| 10:28.16 | beepie | Sayona, dmesg |grep firmware, if it says loading failed, then you'll have an idea what has to be done |
| 10:28.32 | Sayona | ah oki thanks beepie |
| 10:28.38 | Sayona | is online a good tutorial for samba? |
| 10:28.55 | jim | so you can have a minimal debian (one which basically functions, lets you log in, solve probalems and install additional software once you get your network up) |
| 10:28.56 | beepie | Sayona, so you do have the networking working? |
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| 10:30.13 | Sayona | yes |
| 10:30.24 | Sayona | jim, thanks |
| 10:30.33 | jim | so... you did the install already? |
| 10:30.38 | Sayona | debian is the best |
| 10:30.44 | jim | I'm confused :) |
| 10:30.47 | Sayona | not yet, now I install |
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| 10:31.27 | jim | do you have both wired and wireless interfaces? |
| 10:31.38 | beepie | jim, i have no clue what they're doing |
| 10:31.43 | beepie | jim, language barrier |
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| 10:32.07 | Sayona | http://pastebin.com/hVG10Y9M |
| 10:32.09 | jim | beepie, sorry, which "they"? |
| 10:32.27 | Sayona | I need to reboot my laptop to check bios |
| 10:32.27 | Sayona | uff |
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| 10:33.09 | beepie | jim, good luck explaining to them how to add vmware-guest tools :) |
| 10:33.09 | jim | ok |
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| 10:33.18 | Sayona | aaaa |
| 10:33.20 | Sayona | right |
| 10:33.26 | jim | yeah, I have no idea for that |
| 10:33.54 | Sayona | thanks to remind me |
| 10:34.17 | beepie | Sayona, most use virtualbox because it is opensource |
| 10:34.27 | Sayona | ah |
| 10:34.30 | beepie | Sayona, it is also cross-platform |
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| 10:34.34 | bazhang | #vmware might help |
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| 10:34.48 | beepie | Sayona, it is avail on win/mac/linux |
| 10:34.49 | Sayona | thanks |
| 10:34.55 | bazhang | np |
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| 10:35.38 | Sayona | anyone install adobe photoshop on debian? |
| 10:35.48 | Sayona | in future i want to move on linux |
| 10:36.15 | beepie | Sayona, https://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 10:36.26 | Sayona | thanks |
| 10:36.30 | beepie | Sayona, there's cross-over to make "wine" easier to use, but it has to be paid |
| 10:36.32 | cra1g321 | i'd go the virtualbox route than wine |
| 10:36.39 | bazhang | https://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_newguest_tools_linux.html Sayona |
| 10:36.53 | beepie | cra1g321, older editions of photoshop work well under wine afaik |
| 10:37.02 | beepie | depends.. he'll have to do research on that |
| 10:37.06 | jim | but why change now, if what Sayona has now is up? |
| 10:37.12 | han-solo | okay done |
| 10:37.19 | bazhang | #winehq for actaul app support Sayona |
| 10:37.23 | han-solo | now doing "build-essential" |
| 10:37.28 | bazhang | and actual |
| 10:37.32 | jim | han-solo, wow :) long time :) |
| 10:37.40 | han-solo | heh |
| 10:37.48 | beepie | han-solo, if you use netselect-apt -c india, you can get a "test" done to find out which is the fastest repo for you |
| 10:37.49 | Sayona | why on virtualbox is only 32? |
| 10:37.50 | jim | did you put new sources in your sources.list? |
| 10:37.55 | Sayona | when I select the distribution |
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| 10:38.28 | beepie | Sayona, it can still do 64-bit |
| 10:38.37 | beepie | Sayona, in the guest, as long as your physical processor is 64-bit |
| 10:38.42 | Sayona | i select 32 but i install 64 |
| 10:38.51 | beepie | Sayona, you have 32-bit of "virtualbox" ? |
| 10:39.04 | jim | han-solo, probably you should stop the build-essential download (to be continued after selecting a closer mirror) |
| 10:39.07 | beepie | Sayona, what operating system(physical) are you using? |
| 10:39.16 | Sayona | :D |
| 10:39.22 | Sayona | fucking Windows 8.1 |
| 10:39.23 | beepie | Sayona, windows 32-bit ? |
| 10:39.28 | Sayona | 64 |
| 10:39.36 | han-solo | yeah |
| 10:39.39 | beepie | Sayona, ok, so use whatever you can from virtualbox.org for windows |
| 10:39.49 | han-solo | i stopped it, and tried the netselect-apt |
| 10:39.49 | Sayona | yes i download |
| 10:39.49 | beepie | Sayona, you can run either 32-bit or 64-bit "guest" isoz |
| 10:39.58 | beepie | Sayona, because your physical processor is 64-bit |
| 10:40.16 | jim | han-solo, how'd that go? |
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| 10:40.33 | han-solo | it worked well enough |
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| 10:40.49 | Sayona | thanks |
| 10:41.07 | jim | han-solo, ok, run apt-get update again (itshould go much faster) |
| 10:41.07 | beepie | Sayona, what you "cannot" do is to run "64-bit" on 32-bit processor |
| 10:41.18 | beepie | Sayona, even with virtualization :) |
| 10:41.21 | Sayona | i have 64 cpu |
| 10:41.27 | han-solo | the netselect-apt -c india isn't done, yet |
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| 10:42.12 | jim | han-solo, ok |
| 10:42.14 | han-solo | Did not found any valid hosts (you requested 10) netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means t |
| 10:42.24 | han-solo | firewall |
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| 10:42.38 | DebianCurious500 | back O_O |
| 10:42.59 | DebianCurious500 | curfont: |
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| 10:43.01 | Sayona | brb |
| 10:43.01 | beepie | han-solo, it will spit a "http://india.x.x./debian " line -- you add copy this into sources.list "deb <url><space>jessie main contrib non-free" |
| 10:43.02 | Sayona | reboot |
| 10:43.04 | beepie | han-solo, |
| 10:43.39 | beepie | han-solo, and you can copy 2 other lines of this, only changing ->jessie to -> "jessie-backports" and "jessie-updates" -- this makes 3 lines with "deb <url>" |
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| 10:44.07 | han-solo | the netselect-apt didnot found a valid host |
| 10:44.08 | DebianCurious500 | can someone help me with this answer? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/255810/turn-down-the-energy-efficient-ethernet-eee-aka-green-ethernet |
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| 10:44.23 | beepie | han-solo, let it finish! :) |
| 10:44.43 | han-solo | it's done |
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| 10:45.19 | beepie | DebianCurious500, equi is to use modinfo <module> , and use module options in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 10:45.30 | beepie | DebianCurious500, equivalent |
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| 10:46.10 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: is equivalent to ehttool? let me try so |
| 10:46.21 | beepie | han-solo, ok then just use this http://debianmirror.nkn.in/debian |
| 10:46.40 | cra1g321 | so i just accidentally deleted a folder with 400GB+ of data while in dolphin, and got trash full message, is there a quick way to recover without needing to rsync a backup ? or is data truly gone |
| 10:46.47 | han-solo | in the sources.list |
| 10:46.51 | han-solo | ? |
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| 10:46.57 | beepie | han-solo, and add to sources.list -> "deb <url> jessie main contrib non-free" , copy this line 2 times, and use "jessie-updates" and "jessie-backports" |
| 10:47.19 | beepie | han-solo, yeah that test failed, but i suppose any of the 3 india places would be about the same anyways |
| 10:47.32 | jim | han-solo, are you located in india at the moment? |
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| 10:48.08 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i can't find anything in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 10:48.32 | beepie | han-solo, comment out ("use #" at the beginning) for the north american "deb <url>", but keep the security volatile |
| 10:48.47 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you'll have to research it, you add it manually yourself |
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| 10:49.14 | hrob | hi |
| 10:49.44 | hrob | anyone know how I can identify the difference between a mouse and a pen/touch device from a shell script? |
| 10:49.45 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: an hint of the commands i can type? |
| 10:49.59 | beepie | DebianCurious500, already did :p |
| 10:49.59 | han-solo | ok |
| 10:50.07 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i'm a bit noob xD |
| 10:50.08 | han-solo | jim:ye |
| 10:50.10 | han-solo | yes |
| 10:50.16 | beepie | DebianCurious500, i said "modinfo" (see above :p) |
| 10:50.29 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: problem is i don't know the mod name :D |
| 10:50.31 | hrob | I tried xinput list ... but it doesnt seem to tell me the difference ... both mouse and pen are identified as "pointer" |
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| 10:50.39 | beepie | DebianCurious500, well that's your research. |
| 10:50.48 | beepie | DebianCurious500, I can only assume that there is actually a problem. |
| 10:50.49 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: is the name of the ethernet card ? |
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| 10:51.05 | beepie | DebianCurious500, now how the hell am i supposed to know what ethernet card you have? |
| 10:51.15 | han-solo | beepie: i can't find any north america and volatile |
| 10:51.21 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: because yesterday we issued a lot of commands, well man i wrote it inside the question i linked above |
| 10:51.30 | DebianCurious500 | 03:00.0 "Ethernet controller" "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd." "RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller" -r15 "Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd" "Motherboard" |
| 10:51.35 | beepie | han-solo, you can use this one-> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:52.32 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you still can just google that online, or simply see which one is being used with->dmesg |grep -i realtek |
| 10:52.39 | han-solo | ok |
| 10:52.40 | beepie | DebianCurious500, please try to make an effort |
| 10:53.13 | beepie | DebianCurious500, is the networking "broken" ? |
| 10:53.20 | cra1g321 | ignore my question folks, will just rsync from a backup and try not to be so careless next time |
| 10:53.26 | beepie | DebianCurious500, that looks like it might need special firmware |
| 10:53.38 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: no is a different matter |
| 10:54.01 | beepie | hrob, xinput ? |
| 10:54.06 | beepie | hrob, synaptics? |
| 10:54.09 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: we discovered that pppoe doesn't come back because the mobo puts the eth in green ethernet, almost a sleep mode, when the cable is plugged back the eth stays sleeping |
| 10:54.13 | beepie | hrob, there's a number of tools for this |
| 10:54.32 | beepie | DebianCurious500, ok so disable sleeping in the bios |
| 10:54.43 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: can't because this feature is not listed anymore in the bios |
| 10:54.59 | beepie | DebianCurious500, maybe that can do something, -- what info options do you get with modinfo> ? |
| 10:55.02 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: manifacturers nowadays put it as nic options somewhere |
| 10:55.12 | beepie | DebianCurious500, ? |
| 10:55.20 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: probably is r8169 |
| 10:55.26 | beepie | DebianCurious500, well |
| 10:55.31 | beepie | DebianCurious500, lsmod|grep r81 |
| 10:56.19 | hrob | beepie: thanks, however xinput in particular doesn't seem to identify mouse from pen... both are called pointer device |
| 10:56.24 | beepie | DebianCurious500, yuo should be able to see the module name with dmesg |
| 10:56.39 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: r8169 68262 0 |
| 10:56.49 | jim | han-solo, ok... what was the last thing that completed? |
| 10:56.49 | hrob | beepie: maybe I'm missing something... maybe some setting under pointer identifies the difference |
| 10:56.49 | DebianCurious500 | mii 12675 3 r8169,usbnet,ax88179_178a |
| 10:56.56 | han-solo | the update |
| 10:57.05 | han-solo | it's done |
| 10:57.17 | jim | ok, did it seem fast? or? |
| 10:57.20 | beepie | hrob, you can still get hte name with xinput list-props <device> |
| 10:57.22 | han-solo | fast |
| 10:57.27 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: so i try something like modinfo r8169 ? |
| 10:57.29 | han-solo | i got a wifi conn. |
| 10:57.35 | han-solo | from the neighbour |
| 10:57.37 | beepie | DebianCurious500, dmesg |grep -i realt |
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| 10:58.03 | jim | ok, so this is the second apt-get update you did (and the first was very slow, and this one was faster)? |
| 10:58.06 | beepie | han-solo, that's smart, steal your neighbor's wifi cuse they windows users too dumb for encryption :) |
| 10:58.16 | han-solo | yeah |
| 10:58.19 | beepie | :) |
| 10:58.23 | han-solo | :) |
| 10:58.27 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: done: http://paste.linux.chat/view/4315cd25 |
| 10:58.28 | beepie | lol |
| 10:58.31 | han-solo | they're so generous |
| 10:58.36 | jim | ok, try: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 10:58.58 | beepie | DebianCurious500, told you the dmesg command twice |
| 10:59.21 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you need to know what module you're using. Do you now see why I assumed you have a problem? |
| 10:59.23 | han-solo | it's at 44% |
| 10:59.31 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you don't even know what module you're using. |
| 10:59.46 | jim | and you just now started it? |
| 11:00.02 | beepie | ok |
| 11:00.05 | han-solo | nah, i started it quite many times and quit |
| 11:00.06 | beepie | sorry my bad De |
| 11:00.09 | beepie | DebianCurious500, |
| 11:00.16 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: http://paste.linux.chat/view/91d37d18 |
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| 11:00.24 | han-solo | guess it was restaarting from where i left |
| 11:00.24 | beepie | DebianCurious500, please notify by "username" so I can see who you are talkin gto on irc, or i might miss it. |
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| 11:00.41 | jim | yeah it tries to do that |
| 11:01.07 | hrob | beepie: thanks, you mean like the top of the line... Device ' USB OPTICAL MOUSE': |
| 11:01.32 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: there are problems of firmware but are not interesting is just the wifi and bluetooth cards missing but the ethernet cards are here |
| 11:01.34 | han-solo | yeah |
| 11:01.39 | hrob | beepie: problem is that some mice are not called mice... like I have one that calls itself Logitech |
| 11:01.42 | beepie | DebianCurious500, gigabit usb3 net? |
| 11:01.49 | beepie | DebianCurious500, i thought those things didnt exist |
| 11:01.55 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: no that one is the secondary nic |
| 11:02.21 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i need to disable the energy efficient ethernet on my main nic |
| 11:02.21 | jim | Sayona, any joy? |
| 11:02.34 | Sayona | I try now |
| 11:02.37 | Sayona | yap now is working |
| 11:02.40 | beepie | DebianCurious500, "iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-3160-9.ucode" |
| 11:02.50 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: they exists and cheap about 15-12 $ |
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| 11:03.03 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: yeah who cares of wifi firmware |
| 11:03.04 | beepie | DebianCurious500, irmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3160-9.ucode |
| 11:03.04 | han-solo | 80% |
| 11:03.12 | beepie | DebianCurious500, install firmware-iwlwifi (wired) |
| 11:03.44 | beepie | DebianCurious500, "firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-3160-8.ucode" |
| 11:03.59 | beepie | DebianCurious500, i asked you :) (this is -> dmesg |grep -i fail) |
| 11:04.02 | jim | Sayona, say somethign if you get stuck :) |
| 11:04.07 | beepie | DebianCurious500, that's two missing firmware files |
| 11:04.10 | Sayona | kisses |
| 11:04.16 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you'll need to install that firmware package |
| 11:04.28 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: man i'm not so much noob please help me directly with my asked question |
| 11:04.29 | hrob | beepie: sorry my other bluetooth mouse calls itself "Logitech USB Receiver" |
| 11:04.39 | beepie | DebianCurious500, both firmware files are available from that package |
| 11:04.40 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i have a nasty ethernet card that have this EEE function enabled |
| 11:04.47 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i have no way to disable it with ethtool |
| 11:04.53 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i'm looking for alternatives |
| 11:05.03 | beepie | DebianCurious500, if you reboot that machine, the wifi and other thingy should be working better |
| 11:05.14 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: if is really needed for you i can install the firmware for the wifi but i don't think this will change anything |
| 11:05.16 | beepie | DebianCurious500, (it'll reload drivers )--- come back and post me again the dmesg output |
| 11:05.40 | DebianCurious500 | facepalm ok |
| 11:06.13 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you're also missing firmware for bluetooth |
| 11:06.35 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i know but this machine has to be used as router i don't really need bluetooth and wifi |
| 11:07.02 | beepie | DebianCurious500, that too is missing, but you know what what i have here are more modern releases of it, i suppose you can "update" the kernel |
| 11:07.19 | beepie | DebianCurious500, usb3 for networking is probably still experimental -- i don't know how new that is |
| 11:07.31 | beepie | DebianCurious500, I'd be trying to use the latest kernel (4.x) |
| 11:08.03 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: it works flawlessy |
| 11:08.12 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: with actual firmware is not so experimental |
| 11:08.34 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i need to disable that green ethernet feature |
| 11:08.47 | beepie | DebianCurious500, uname -a, shows 3.16? |
| 11:08.57 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: in windows i can do this look: http://i.stack.imgur.com/KgwX3.png |
| 11:09.13 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i can go in energy efficient ethernet and go on OFF |
| 11:09.15 | jim | han-solo, did it finish? |
| 11:09.24 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: is the 3.16 yes |
| 11:09.26 | han-solo | yes |
| 11:09.30 | han-solo | I'm free! |
| 11:09.33 | han-solo | :) |
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| 11:09.35 | han-solo | freedom! |
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| 11:09.38 | DebianCurious500 | han-solo: good for u lol |
| 11:09.39 | jim | try: gcc |
| 11:09.44 | han-solo | Thanks guys |
| 11:09.46 | han-solo | great help |
| 11:09.55 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you only have two options though for r8169, and those two options look compeltely irrelevant for power-saving |
| 11:09.56 | han-solo | yeah, already did ;) |
| 11:10.01 | jim | good |
| 11:10.11 | beepie | DebianCurious500, that's an old kernel |
| 11:10.13 | han-solo | now javac |
| 11:10.15 | beepie | DebianCurious500, try backports |
| 11:10.21 | beepie | DebianCurious500, (backports kernel) |
| 11:10.23 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: how can i try ? |
| 11:10.26 | beepie | DebianCurious500, and install kernel 4.x |
| 11:10.29 | beepie | !bpo |
| 11:10.29 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 11:10.31 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: have to modify sources.list ? |
| 11:10.33 | han-solo | Again, thanks for all your help, beepie and jim |
| 11:10.36 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you add |
| 11:10.39 | beepie | han-solo, yw |
| 11:10.44 | jim | welcome |
| 11:11.06 | han-solo | javac doesn't seems to work |
| 11:11.13 | han-solo | irssi too |
| 11:12.25 | beepie | DebianCurious500, add "non-free contrib" after "main" .. basically you clone your existing main repo line, and change jessie to jessie-backports |
| 11:13.39 | beepie | DebianCurious500, apply apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade, then apt-get install linux-image-4.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 , assuming you're using x86_64 |
| 11:14.07 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: yea im using that one |
| 11:14.37 | beepie | DebianCurious500, noticing there's this one -- i meant to paste this one instead linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 11:14.44 | beepie | DebianCurious500, 4.3 rather than 4.2 |
| 11:15.01 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: installing :) |
| 11:15.37 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: wow lot of this rows gone here: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 11:16.15 | beepie | DebianCurious500, install this-> firmware-realtek |
| 11:16.16 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: could it be because they made me to install the latest driver of the ethernet yesterday ? |
| 11:16.23 | beepie | DebianCurious500, that has that firmware file |
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| 11:16.54 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: ok just reboot yes? |
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| 11:17.01 | beepie | y |
| 11:17.07 | hordon | linux is too hard im going back to windows |
| 11:17.11 | beepie | DebianCurious500, should work better |
| 11:17.23 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: let's see |
| 11:17.24 | beepie | DebianCurious500, (the nics will work!) |
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| 11:17.39 | beepie | hordon, windows is too soft, never going back |
| 11:17.45 | beepie | hordon, windows is for women. |
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| 11:18.34 | Sayona | love debian |
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| 11:19.15 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: same man: root@box:~# ethtool --set-eee eth0 eee off |
| 11:19.26 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: Cannot get EEE settings: Operation not supported |
| 11:19.37 | beepie | DebianCurious500, maybe you can try mii-tool |
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| 11:19.52 | beepie | DebianCurious500, i see there "mii" driver in dmesg , i suppose this might be related |
| 11:20.22 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: it's true but i don't see mii-tool allow me stuff like set eee off |
| 11:20.53 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: have lot less option than ethtool |
| 11:21.26 | beepie | DebianCurious500, use_dac:Enable PCI DAC. << modinfo, you think this could be it? |
| 11:21.38 | beepie | DebianCurious500, "use_dac" |
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| 11:22.15 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i don't think so :\ |
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| 11:22.39 | beepie | DebianCurious500, add >"options r8169 use_dac=0" into /etc/modprobe/myr8169.conf |
| 11:22.39 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: this is the classic thing that if i had windows running with that box i would have been able to fix it |
| 11:22.48 | beepie | DebianCurious500, and then reboot |
| 11:23.01 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i fear is not something that will work but let's try xD |
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| 11:24.29 | beepie | DebianCurious500, http://discussions.citrix.com/topic/279993-management-interface-not-recieving-ip-address-with-more-than-4gb-of-ram-installed/ |
| 11:25.18 | beepie | DebianCurious500, i read someone who has more than a couple gig of ram uses =1 |
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| 11:25.33 | beepie | DebianCurious500, i don't know if that thread helps.. |
| 11:25.50 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: no it doesn't is something different, i have to access the eee setting of that card in some way |
| 11:26.19 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: but probably who wrote the driver of r8169 was fucking lazy and didn't wrote anything for modify that setting assuming always on |
| 11:26.39 | beepie | DebianCurious500, according to that post it is for an older kern and for 64-bit it is disabled (use_dac), so it may have already been disabled XD |
| 11:26.41 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: and so ethtool is not able to turn it off |
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| 11:27.08 | beepie | DebianCurious500, this is a bit of a gamble but you really did need to install those 2 firmware packages |
| 11:27.19 | beepie | DebianCurious500, the one for realtek more-so that is |
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| 11:27.50 | beepie | DebianCurious500, kernel 4.3 is loaded? |
| 11:27.54 | beepie | DebianCurious500, (uname -a) |
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| 11:28.22 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: yes |
| 11:28.33 | beepie | DebianCurious500, lsmod |pastebinit |
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| 11:28.49 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you could possibly blacklist something to prevent timesavings |
| 11:28.54 | beepie | DebianCurious500, ./powersavings/ for that |
| 11:29.08 | beepie | DebianCurious500, otherwise you'd have to throw soemthing to the kernel boot line |
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| 11:29.31 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: http://paste.linux.chat/view/a71dcc0d |
| 11:30.02 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: maybe who knows.. |
| 11:30.17 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you using a tablet? XD |
| 11:30.21 | beepie | DebianCurious500, "http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/INPUT_SOC_BUTTON_ARRAY.html" |
| 11:30.26 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: not at all |
| 11:32.24 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: im out of ideas |
| 11:33.23 | beepie | DebianCurious500, https://wiki.debian.org/OffAndOnAgain |
| 11:33.54 | beepie | DebianCurious500, i suppose you can add this to grub's default line -> /etc/default/grub , then add " apm=off" to that line, and apply "update-grub<enter>" |
| 11:34.02 | beepie | DebianCurious500, (command update-grub) |
| 11:34.10 | beepie | DebianCurious500, maybe something nice could happen |
| 11:34.12 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: hmm nice tought |
| 11:34.48 | DebianCurious500 | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="apm=off" |
| 11:35.30 | beepie | DebianCurious500, add to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= |
| 11:35.34 | DebianCurious500 | yes |
| 11:35.40 | beepie | DebianCurious500, there's other things already on it |
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| 11:36.36 | beepie | DebianCurious500, if it works, you can always try to enable apm with more options somewhere :) |
| 11:36.45 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i see |
| 11:36.56 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: you mean be more selective with the options |
| 11:36.58 | beepie | DebianCurious500, power-saving is always broken on linux |
| 11:37.03 | beepie | DebianCurious500, no matter the distro |
| 11:37.26 | beepie | DebianCurious500, blame that more on industry since nobody really follows interoperable standards |
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| 11:39.12 | spacebug^ | http://www.pcworld.com/article/3023352/security/openssh-patches-information-leak-that-could-expose-private-ssh-keys.html How fast does Debian usually send out security patched packages? |
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| 11:40.56 | beepie | spacebug^, old news, and highly unlikely, the ssh server has to be "evil" in order to exploit this :) |
| 11:41.20 | beepie | spacebug^, chances of that meaning that the server has to be compromised in most cases |
| 11:41.32 | spacebug^ | hum, okey |
| 11:41.36 | beepie | spacebug^, i'd say 1^-6 chances that is possible |
| 11:41.38 | spacebug^ | thanks for the info |
| 11:41.41 | beepie | spacebug^, :) |
| 11:41.47 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: ok man thanks for the ideas i will try something but i have to go now brb |
| 11:42.00 | beepie | DebianCurious500, sry it won't work like it shoudl |
| 11:42.11 | beepie | DebianCurious500, but you were missing those firmware files! :) |
| 11:42.22 | beepie | DebianCurious500, i think usbnet for usb3 is rather new... |
| 11:42.36 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i know everything seems to work better with kernel 4 |
| 11:42.45 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you should follow up on the kernel mailinglists and see what patches there are.. even possibly report this issue to network driver code maintainers |
| 11:42.53 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i have anyways to write down the passages because i messed this small pc too much i have to reinstall it |
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| 11:42.59 | beepie | DebianCurious500, yeah, also because you were missing those firmware files |
| 11:43.11 | cyrax | hi all |
| 11:43.15 | beepie | DebianCurious500, the intel fware was needed for 3 devices there |
| 11:43.21 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i would like have a debian stable with kernel 4.x but they are tremendously slow releasing it |
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| 11:43.51 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: woooo it seems to work :D |
| 11:43.55 | Lime__ | i guess to have enable secure boot, i'd have to install the ubuntu kernel |
| 11:43.58 | beepie | DebianCurious500, that's why many users have problems with debian, is exactly because of everything i mentioned |
| 11:44.02 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: imho regardless all the drivers the apc=off made the trick |
| 11:44.15 | beepie | DebianCurious500, there's a community .iso that includes the non-free blobs... though it is not official, people tend to use it |
| 11:44.25 | beepie | DebianCurious500, you sure it did the trick? |
| 11:44.33 | beepie | DebianCurious500, hang on and keep testing it :) |
| 11:44.39 | beepie | DebianCurious500, cuse I don't believe you! |
| 11:44.42 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: i think, but i will do further tests after i have to exit a second xD |
| 11:45.34 | DebianCurious500 | beepie: thanks for the help man ttyl for further checks |
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| 11:45.44 | beepie | DebianCurious500, good luck and yw :) |
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| 11:47.03 | beepie | Lime__, kernels are quite different between ubuntu and debian |
| 11:47.14 | beepie | Lime__, best is to ask about it on #ubuntu |
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| 12:02.23 | jim | Sayona, how did your install turn out? |
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| 12:02.34 | Sayona | jim, fine thanks for asking |
| 12:02.37 | Sayona | now I configure samba |
| 12:02.58 | jim | so it completed and you rebooted? |
| 12:03.18 | Sayona | :D yes |
| 12:03.26 | jim | great :) |
| 12:03.41 | Sayona | :* |
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| 12:29.23 | han-solo | know repos for irssi |
| 12:29.25 | han-solo | ? |
| 12:30.33 | towo` | what's the problem? |
| 12:30.41 | towo` | irssi is in the standard debian repo |
| 12:31.17 | han-solo | i can't seem to find it :/ |
| 12:31.20 | han-solo | and javac too |
| 12:31.26 | towo` | this is saying zero |
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| 12:31.50 | han-solo | bash:irssi: command not found |
| 12:31.58 | towo` | install it |
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| 12:32.10 | han-solo | apt-get cannot find it |
| 12:32.22 | towo` | check your sources |
| 12:32.27 | SynrG | apt-get update |
| 12:32.28 | han-solo | ok |
| 12:32.40 | SynrG | Make sure it completes without errors |
| 12:32.45 | han-solo | ok |
| 12:32.49 | han-solo | Thanks |
| 12:33.02 | towo` | and javac is in openjdk |
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| 12:33.49 | han-solo | yeah, i'm used to ubuntu. SO when i type in the command, it used to show the packages with the sudo command |
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| 12:34.29 | themill | ,i command-not-found |
| 12:34.31 | judd | Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 0.2.38-1; Size: 12.7k; Installed: 144k |
| 12:36.11 | han-solo | Unable to locate package javac |
| 12:36.20 | han-solo | Unable to locate package open-jdk-7 |
| 12:36.37 | towo` | boah |
| 12:36.45 | towo` | learn to use standard debian tools |
| 12:37.02 | han-solo | Forgive me, i'm new to debian |
| 12:37.07 | towo` | the packahges is named openjdk-7-jdk |
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| 12:38.04 | themill | han-solo: apt-cache and apt-file are your friend. |
| 12:39.03 | han-solo | towo: How did you find the package name? |
| 12:39.13 | han-solo | thank you |
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| 12:39.18 | han-solo | thank you themil |
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| 12:41.57 | themill | dpkg: tell han-solo about root |
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| 12:43.09 | teraflops | heh |
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| 12:44.48 | han-solo | hello |
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| 12:45.26 | han-solo | test! |
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| 12:45.34 | themill | test failed |
| 12:45.43 | han-solo | working? |
| 12:45.49 | themill | no |
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| 12:46.02 | han-solo | Nah, it's just when i send a txt here, it said "cannot send to debian" |
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| 12:46.20 | themill | only when you were ircing as root |
| 12:46.26 | han-solo | oh! |
| 12:46.30 | han-solo | okay |
| 12:46.41 | han-solo | Why is that? if i may ask? |
| 12:48.07 | ruehrkuchen | networks who banns users who using root for ircing are stupid networks with stupid admins |
| 12:48.55 | han-solo | themill:apt-cache and apt-file? |
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| 12:49.44 | Zarthus | ruehrkuchen: while unnecessary, I'd argue the users would be the most stupid of all :) |
| 12:50.15 | themill | since no sensible human should be ircing as root, it either keeps the stupid our or keeps the compromised machines out; either way, it's a win. |
| 12:50.28 | ruehrkuchen | Zarthus: funny, i've seen a lot irc networks who runs their irc daemons as root :P |
| 12:50.44 | Zarthus | How do you know they are run as root? |
| 12:51.13 | Zarthus | The ircd itself does not expose this. And even if it did, it tells a lot more about the incompetent networks you connect to than anything else :) |
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| 12:51.46 | Zarthus | just because a lot of people do it does not make it okay, and any effort to stop people from doing it and raising awareness of it being bad is a good thing. |
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| 12:52.26 | ruehrkuchen | but how can a user who is connected to irc using the local root account affect the irc network/daemon in security? |
| 12:52.28 | ruehrkuchen | nothing. |
| 12:52.48 | SynrG | Off topic |
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| 12:54.10 | ruehrkuchen | well, true SynrG, i'd like to say that i'm the god of my system and choose what the best is for me, and noth others :) |
| 12:54.13 | ruehrkuchen | EOD |
| 12:54.14 | derener | If your irc client gets hacked and you are root, your whole pc is open |
| 12:54.29 | ruehrkuchen | *not |
| 12:54.36 | Zarthus | ruehrkuchen: you're welcome to do as you wish. The networks that do it will keep on doing it and it will keep on inconvieniencing you, and you'll be a terrible sysadmin in the process. |
| 12:54.53 | themill | ruehrkuchen: you are not however in charge of this channel so that's not relevant. So, moving on... |
| 12:55.18 | ruehrkuchen | themill: i already said "EOD" after my last message |
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| 12:58.50 | Sayona | Hi, know anyone how I disable ( not delete ) a user in samba? |
| 12:58.57 | Sayona | and enable it when I need? |
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| 13:00.38 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: hello |
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| 13:00.55 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: maybe we resolved in a weird way |
| 13:01.12 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: hey, it now works? |
| 13:01.32 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: what was the issue? |
| 13:01.51 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: long story... because was seemingly impossible to disable the green ethernet we ended up to disable completely the apm in grub |
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| 13:02.03 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet apm=off" |
| 13:02.04 | ruehrkuchen | oh |
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| 13:02.18 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: this way the fakin green ethernet is not enabled |
| 13:02.24 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: with all the set of stuff |
| 13:02.47 | ruehrkuchen | and now it works? |
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| 13:03.41 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: now it works but we did too many modifications so i want to check them all before setup the definitive install |
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| 13:03.54 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: i'm writing down things on paper |
| 13:04.20 | ruehrkuchen | I'd thing about a clean install |
| 13:04.30 | ruehrkuchen | you know the solution now |
| 13:05.13 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: indeed but i have to write down all the configs and the suggestions to check the steps |
| 13:05.26 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: if with a clean install and apm off i solve the problem is better |
| 13:05.56 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: yes, maybe store/backup the config files on a usb drive or so |
| 13:06.08 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: yeah i will grab all the etc folder a second |
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| 13:08.50 | kjs | does anyone know what the switch is for gnome 3 classic shell ? |
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| 13:12.50 | derener | the desktop is called gnome flashback |
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| 13:13.42 | derener | apt-cache info gnome-flashback |
| 13:14.09 | kjs | derener: so if i add that in .xsession |
| 13:14.52 | derener | i typed the command wrong |
| 13:15.11 | derener | kjs don't you have gdm kdm sddm or lightdm? |
| 13:16.43 | derener | gnome is quite complicated to boot which gdm and sddm and kdm do automatically |
| 13:16.43 | kjs | derener: yeah , but i want to change the default currently default is set to xfce i want it to use gnome classic |
| 13:17.00 | kjs | currently if i select it - it works |
| 13:17.09 | derener | when you boot once the default changes to gnome-flashback |
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| 13:17.49 | derener | this is what happens with kdm |
| 13:17.59 | derener | maybe your dm has an issue |
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| 13:19.45 | derener | i am not familiar with anything other than kdm someone else must help you |
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| 13:21.40 | derener | kjs wants gnome-flashback to be first in his login screen |
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| 13:23.33 | Sayona | found |
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| 13:28.32 | jim | Sayona, hmm? |
| 13:28.42 | Sayona | jim, How you can edit access rights and permissions of a user in Samba ? |
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| 13:29.38 | jim | I haven't used samba in awhile... but I would imagine you'd do that in the overall samba config file... I could be wrong tho |
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| 13:30.23 | vlmxs | Hi, Debians! |
| 13:30.30 | Sayona | let me try to find a good tutorial using google |
| 13:30.41 | Sayona | jim, debian work perffectly with 16gb ram :D |
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| 13:30.48 | vlmxs | !man |
| 13:30.48 | dpkg | hmm... man is a little guy that knows everything about Linux... just do "man commandname" and he will teach you all about commandname. You can search for the appropriate man page with "apropos term". Enable <tab completion> in your shell to fill in the man page names. Man pages are available online too, ask me about <dmp>. See also <docs> <grounding>. |
| 13:30.53 | vlmxs | hi, dpkg! |
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| 13:31.21 | Sayona | vlmxs, dpkg is a bot |
| 13:31.31 | jim | Sayona, I bet you must be swimming happily in all that ram :) |
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| 13:32.02 | Sayona | :D |
| 13:32.57 | jim | I have 16g too, but I think I got the wrong ram |
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| 13:33.44 | jim | I was going to plug it in... the little slots weren't in the right place :/ |
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| 13:34.32 | Sayona | :( |
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| 13:37.38 | vlmxs | Sayona, ty! I know that dpkg is a bot :) Just was in agood mood to greet a bot ;) |
| 13:39.35 | jim | greets a beet |
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| 13:41.58 | jim | Sayona, probably take it into somewhere and see what mobo it fits in |
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| 14:31.01 | roger_roger | i use ubuntu and am trying out debian - was able to install it on a xenserver but when subsequently trying mount a cd or dvd, there's no device for it in /dev and /media has a link called cdrom linked to a directory called cdrom0 which is empty |
| 14:31.07 | roger_roger | what gives? |
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| 14:37.37 | jim | roger_roger, you're mounting an image? you;d use loop device mount -o loop imagefile mountpoint |
| 14:38.01 | jim | that could be wrong, if so look at the man page for loop mounts |
| 14:38.43 | roger_roger | i'll take a look - just trying to install xenserver tools, which is an iso |
| 14:39.13 | bongleger | roger_roger: have a look if there's a device called /dev/sr* (e. g. /dev/sr0) |
| 14:39.44 | roger_roger | no sr* devices |
| 14:40.17 | bongleger | do you have configured a cdrom-device to you virtual machine? |
| 14:40.43 | roger_roger | yes |
| 14:40.59 | bongleger | (but as jim already said: you could transfer the .iso file to your machine and mount it as loop device, should be even easier) |
| 14:41.15 | roger_roger | within the xenserver console, it thinks it is present |
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| 14:43.32 | Sayona | pfff |
| 14:44.06 | roger_roger | i'm looking for that iso - it is buried somewhere within the xenserver file system |
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| 14:47.01 | Talltree | does someone have experience installing APCu with php7 on jessie? |
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| 14:53.09 | ungali | Aebian, what's your DE? |
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| 14:56.52 | Aebian | ungali: Cinnamon / gnome |
| 14:56.59 | Aebian | Cinnamon |
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| 15:02.40 | davidic657 | Hi guys, will LTS be available for Wheezy before EOL |
| 15:03.00 | dvs | ???? |
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| 15:04.06 | DebianCurious500 | davidic657: ^ |
| 15:04.09 | DebianCurious500 | davidic657: ?? |
| 15:04.24 | DebianCurious500 | debian also has lts ? |
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| 15:05.25 | davidic657 | DebianCurious500: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
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| 15:06.08 | davidic657 | Squeeze is a go |
| 15:06.17 | davidic657 | I have 7 tho |
| 15:06.43 | davidic657 | multiple servers, will save me a load of work |
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| 15:08.51 | DebianCurious500 | davidic657: i see |
| 15:08.55 | DebianCurious500 | davidic657: not bad at all |
| 15:09.02 | dvs | davidic657: it says right on that web page you quoted that wheezy will be supported until May 2018 starting next month |
| 15:09.04 | davidic657 | Nice eh, cheered me up the other day |
| 15:09.13 | DebianCurious500 | davidic657: yes |
| 15:09.21 | DebianCurious500 | davidic657: dvs : please give me a suggestion |
| 15:09.27 | davidic657 | yeah but not repos for wheezy just Squeeze ?? |
| 15:09.42 | DebianCurious500 | i'm going to setup a machine that have mostly to work as router |
| 15:10.04 | DebianCurious500 | with the classic deibian 8.2 netinst i have some firmware missing that i don't need like wifi and bluetooth |
| 15:10.25 | DebianCurious500 | but also it seems that in order to have the eth0 interface works properly i have to upgrade to the new 4.3 kernel |
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| 15:10.48 | DebianCurious500 | if i had not this problem of upgrade the kernel i would have gone with a plain 8.2 install without the firmwares but now im unsure |
| 15:10.55 | davidic657 | DebianCurious500: cant help you dude, not an expert in those areas |
| 15:11.02 | vlmxs | exit |
| 15:11.09 | dvs | !exit |
| 15:11.09 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 15:11.09 | vlmxs | exit |
| 15:11.11 | DebianCurious500 | in order to obtain the maximum stability is a good choice install firmwares of devices? even if you don't need it ? |
| 15:11.15 | derener | davidic657: wheezy-lts will be created in february |
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| 15:11.25 | davidic657 | derener: ty |
| 15:11.41 | davidic657 | derener: real good move the LTS project |
| 15:12.06 | dvs | ???\ |
| 15:12.11 | dvs | I just said the same thing |
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| 15:12.33 | davidic657 | I can support but only with a donation I guess |
| 15:12.55 | DebianCurious500 | tl;dr: If i have devices that missing the firmware but, i don't need this devices which is better for stability? install the firmwares or keep them without firm unconfigured? |
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| 15:15.02 | davidic657 | dvs: yeah, missed the FAQ's :) |
| 15:15.06 | davidic657 | thanks |
| 15:15.12 | dvs | no prob |
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| 15:18.39 | han-solo | Piggy: do you use get gnome-terminal? |
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| 15:19.29 | jim | Guest9834, ^^ |
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| 15:20.06 | jim | han-solo, how's your installation working? |
| 15:21.14 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, i noticed there was a wrong path yesterday |
| 15:21.23 | cruncher | thats why it could not work |
| 15:21.37 | cruncher | try this into your interfaces file: "pre-up /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off" |
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| 15:21.48 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: wei |
| 15:21.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: solved |
| 15:22.24 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: if you want i explain how |
| 15:22.36 | cruncher | ok |
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| 15:22.57 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: in my opinion is a bug of power management handling under kernel 3.4 |
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| 15:23.17 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: today with another user we did various things but the most important was moving to kernel 4.3 |
| 15:23.28 | cruncher | you installed a new kernel? |
| 15:23.30 | cruncher | i see |
| 15:23.31 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: probably they fixed it better in kernel 4.3 and it works now |
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| 15:23.41 | cruncher | well, good its fixed |
| 15:23.44 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i wonder btw :p |
| 15:23.52 | cruncher | that line i just sent you is the normal fix |
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| 15:24.20 | cruncher | since many years realtek chips have that problem, and thats the fix for that |
| 15:24.39 | cruncher | but the new kernel will come eventually anyway.. so i guess you are better off now |
| 15:24.46 | cruncher | good, another topic closed :) |
| 15:25.06 | dvs | !next |
| 15:25.07 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:25.37 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: about this i have some concerns now |
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| 15:25.49 | cruncher | about what? |
| 15:26.06 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: I want to obtain the best stable configuration at all, because now I have physical access to the machine but soon i will need to leave it here and go away |
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| 15:26.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: then is all remote control and it must be totally unmanteined |
| 15:26.55 | cruncher | where did you take the new kernel from? |
| 15:26.56 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: given i want to obtain maximum stability what i should install? like now 8.2 then just update the kernel ? |
| 15:27.03 | MrDetonia | Hey there, it seems the Debian installation on my VPS doesn't have the ip_conntrack module available. Is there a way I can build that and load it without physical access? |
| 15:27.23 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: given i want to obtain maximum stability what i should install? like now 8.2 then just update the kernel ? |
| 15:27.26 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
| 15:27.32 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but i enabled the backports rep |
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| 15:29.16 | cruncher | theoretically you should just be fine.. but i dont know how it will behave in long run. Maybe someone else has made already that experience, taking only the kernel from backports |
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| 15:29.53 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, or, you could just give it a try, the line i sent you before, then you can have a standard jessie install |
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| 15:30.09 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i have to remove the kernel a second and try so :) let me try |
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| 15:30.17 | cruncher | you can try that line with the old/std kernel |
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| 15:30.56 | achylles | I got this message right now after updating > messsage after debian update /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-rc6-wt-ath does not exist. Cannot update (???!!!) :( |
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| 15:31.12 | achylles | What should I do? |
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| 15:32.28 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: if i remember good that line didn't even worked normally |
| 15:32.51 | achylles | It downloaded some firmware packages: linux-firmware linux-firmware-atheros and others... |
| 15:33.18 | achylles | Do I have to install that new kernel? |
| 15:33.44 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i think it will not work |
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| 15:33.58 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: if i go for /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off |
| 15:34.11 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: it says Cannot set new settings: Invalid argument |
| 15:34.21 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i think the ethernet is too new for eth tool |
| 15:34.36 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so it can't setup properly the autoneg |
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| 15:35.34 | davidic657 | achylles: do you keep things up to date |
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| 15:35.54 | asterismo_m | hi |
| 15:35.55 | davidic657 | and boot after new kernels etc |
| 15:36.09 | asterismo_m | is there anyway to get latest openssl in debian jessie? |
| 15:36.52 | han-solo | there was a time when my ubuntu crashed<actually i force rebooted> and it took me to initramfs and i couldn't get out |
| 15:37.01 | davidic657 | achylles: when was the last time you rebooted |
| 15:37.31 | han-solo | i was like neo, couldn't get out from the train station in matrix |
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| 15:38.11 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: nah... eth tool wanna give up on me xD |
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| 15:38.59 | davidic657 | achylles: rpm -qa | grep kernel whats it show and what kernel is actually running at the moment |
| 15:39.03 | DebianCurious500 | guys do the firmware make difference if i have one kernel or another ? |
| 15:39.21 | DebianCurious500 | i mean, i can install any firmware package without caring about the kernel ? |
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| 15:39.40 | DebianCurious500 | tl;dr: kernel 3.4 can use same firmware packages of 4.2 ? |
| 15:40.10 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, if you run it directly it doesnt work for sure |
| 15:40.26 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: uh why? |
| 15:40.26 | cruncher | try only in etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:40.52 | cruncher | apparently the chip is not supported |
| 15:41.01 | cruncher | thas what ethtool says :) |
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| 15:41.34 | cruncher | but if the people are right and the fix works, the reason would be that it cant be set while being up |
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| 15:41.42 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so i have to allow-hotplug eth0, iface eth0 inet static, pre-up /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off ?? |
| 15:41.43 | cruncher | thats why its on pre-up |
| 15:41.49 | cruncher | yes |
| 15:42.09 | cruncher | static or dhcp, whatever you have setup now :) |
| 15:42.23 | cruncher | as i noticed you change your settings very fast... :p |
| 15:42.37 | dvs | DebianCurious500: If you use static, you have to set an IP address manually |
| 15:42.57 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: yeah :\ |
| 15:43.06 | DebianCurious500 | dvs: yes |
| 15:43.10 | jim | and tghat would be done in the interfaces file |
| 15:43.19 | DebianCurious500 | but in case of kernel 4.3 i can have the interface eth0 completely unconfigured |
| 15:43.27 | DebianCurious500 | and i have the pppoe working in hotplug without problems |
| 15:43.27 | dvs | jim: exactly |
| 15:45.06 | Aebian | ungali: I'm using Cinnamon with the numix theme on jessie 8 latest stable. And always after 1 minuter or less I think my screen turns black and 30 seconds after that my laptop goes into locked state. But if I'm connected to a power source I want the screen to be on forever. Since I'm currently at home and controlling my laptop via my debian tower (synergy) ^^ |
| 15:45.12 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, just try it again with that line, then i have another command to try, and if that doesnt work either, go with the backports kernel |
| 15:45.25 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: testing right now |
| 15:45.55 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: when debian 9 will be out ? |
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| 15:46.16 | jim | wir |
| 15:46.21 | jim | !wir |
| 15:46.21 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 15:47.01 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 15:47.01 | dpkg | i guess wwsr is #del# |
| 15:47.09 | dvs | heh |
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| 15:47.33 | cruncher | nobody knows.. but if you go by the past cycles (which is NO guideline) it will be probably another year |
| 15:47.43 | cruncher | at least |
| 15:47.58 | dvs | cruncher: I'll hold you to it!!!!! |
| 15:48.03 | cruncher | no :) |
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| 15:48.21 | cruncher | just a observation from the past.. which as i said is no predicture |
| 15:48.47 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i see xD so my only best option is go for kernel backport |
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| 15:48.58 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: man i tested your line into interfaces and doesn't work |
| 15:49.10 | cruncher | no, your first best option is to try that line, then the next command i give you, then the backports :) |
| 15:49.23 | cruncher | ok, so check your actual network speed with ethtool eth0 |
| 15:49.40 | cruncher | 100baseTx-FD? |
| 15:49.45 | cruncher | or gigabit? |
| 15:49.45 | jim | DebianCurious500, what does "doesn't work" mean? |
| 15:50.03 | jim | there's just no information in that phrase |
| 15:50.04 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i plugged first out, then back |
| 15:50.17 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: so actually he act like if he was disconnected |
| 15:50.27 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: because says 10Mb/s duplex half |
| 15:50.35 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but link detected yes |
| 15:50.52 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i will copy a second the status on pastebin |
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| 15:51.42 | jim | let's go back to the beginning of this... isn't this the one where if you disconnect the cable and reinsert, it doesn't come back? |
| 15:51.56 | cruncher | jim, yes, he's the one |
| 15:51.59 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: http://paste.linux.chat/view/84d1a1ab |
| 15:52.38 | DebianCurious500 | jim: yeah, after one day of testing we discovered that going to kernel 4.3 make everything works fine |
| 15:52.42 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, this is after you unplug, right? |
| 15:52.42 | jim | so run out the scenario where you'd have to move the machine... |
| 15:52.50 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: after unplugged and replugged |
| 15:53.18 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, ok, now reboot, enter "mii-tool -F 10baseT-FD eth0", then try unplugging again |
| 15:53.33 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i see what you want to do ;P |
| 15:53.36 | cruncher | jim, the better description would be after he unplugs the eth0 device stays up |
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| 15:55.50 | jim | cruncher, I see... and, what would be the actual scenario? so, a guy comes into the room, and says you have to move the machine... so you unplug the net cable (and the net goes down), and then what? |
| 15:57.27 | cruncher | DebianCurious500 should answer that one... but as far as i understood it: then they move the machine, replug, and thats where it doesnt work |
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| 15:57.52 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: waiting a bit more but still not working seemingly |
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| 15:58.04 | achylles | davidic657, uname -a 4.3.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.3.3-5 (2016-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:58.31 | cruncher | well.. if all that efforts doesnt help, its probably best if you go with the newer kernel then... easiest way |
| 15:58.47 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: indeed |
| 15:58.51 | achylles | davidic657, I run Stretch |
| 15:59.03 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: but in any case use the backports is so bad ? |
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| 15:59.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: how much time i should expect they have it working ? 2 years ? |
| 15:59.53 | cruncher | im not backports expert...:) |
| 16:00.06 | cruncher | DebianCurious500, i dont understand your last question |
| 16:00.33 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: i would like pick a sources.list that i have not to mantain in the next 2 years at least :D |
| 16:00.40 | jim | DebianCurious500, so what happens exactly? first, how do you find out when you have to move the machine? |
| 16:00.49 | DebianCurious500 | cruncher: turn on the unattended-upgrades services and bye |
| 16:00.56 | DebianCurious500 | jim: it will not be me to move the machine |
| 16:01.17 | jim | will it be shut down properly? |
| 16:01.24 | DebianCurious500 | jim: i hope so |
| 16:01.28 | achylles | davidic657, that kernel does not show up in my synaptic as well |
| 16:01.52 | DebianCurious500 | it's a machine that i have to leave at my parent's place |
| 16:01.57 | jim | so if it's shut down, I assume also the machine is turned off... would that be right? |
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| 16:03.19 | achylles | davidic657, I am using the last one in Stretch databases... |
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| 16:03.29 | jim | also if you are not in control of when the machine is moved, I'll suggest you're not placing it in a stable, safe environment |
| 16:05.12 | jim | if the folks who are moving the machine don't know how to shut it down properly, the risk is the disk could get damaged (or the filesystem on it) |
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| 16:05.51 | DebianCurious500 | jim: it runs on an ssd |
| 16:05.52 | davidic657 | achylles: when did you boot last? |
| 16:06.22 | jim | DebianCurious500, so, under those conditions, why are you not considering hosting the machine elsewhere? |
| 16:06.40 | davidic657 | I do some hosting :) |
| 16:06.56 | davidic657 | just dedies tho |
| 16:06.57 | jim | or, why not shut it down, turn it off and disconnect it when you leave? |
| 16:07.14 | jim | have to? why? |
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| 16:07.43 | davidic657 | achylles: boot the darn thing and see what happens :) |
| 16:07.56 | achylles | davidic657, I turned the machine about 1:30hrs ago and did an upgrade and got that message... |
| 16:07.57 | jim | DebianCurious500, why is it you have to leave it there? |
| 16:08.24 | achylles | davidic657, ok... Thx |
| 16:08.31 | davidic657 | backup :) |
| 16:08.48 | DebianCurious500 | jim: is a box that have to cover my nas |
| 16:08.52 | DebianCurious500 | jim: as firewall hardware |
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| 16:09.06 | DebianCurious500 | jim: plus i'm experimenting a bit, i could ask people to change cabling |
| 16:10.00 | davidic657 | achylles: its a home pc? |
| 16:10.19 | jim | so this is a machine to serve who's purposes? |
| 16:10.47 | jim | are you living with your parents in the house where the machine is? |
| 16:11.11 | davidic657 | geez is there a deb server irc channel |
| 16:11.40 | jim | davidic657, this would be it |
| 16:11.47 | davidic657 | ah, thanks |
| 16:12.09 | jim | you can ask questions about debian machines which are servers here |
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| 16:15.06 | jim | davidic657, it's good when your questions are informative, and specific |
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| 16:40.53 | eric357 | can anyone point me to documentation for dbndns? |
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| 16:59.22 | no_gravity | Im in Gnome and my mouse pointer is stuck in drag/drop mode. An icon is stuck to it and neither left-click nor right-click do anything anymore. Any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 17:01.47 | r3m | ,v owncloud |
| 17:01.49 | judd | Package: owncloud on amd64 -- jessie: 7.0.4+dfsg-4~deb8u1; jessie-security: 7.0.4+dfsg-4~deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 7.0.4+dfsg-4~deb8u4; stretch: 7.0.12~dfsg-2; sid: 7.0.12~dfsg-2; experimental: 8.2.2~dfsg-1 |
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| 17:03.28 | tinker_ | will apt-get upgrade update and fix dependencies of packages installed via dpkg -i file.deb ? |
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| 17:05.22 | zykotick9 | tinker_: i think you need "apt-get -f install" myself... |
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| 17:08.47 | markybob | tinker_, i agree. probably apt-get -f install if it was a package meant for debian. ubuntu...that's a different story |
| 17:09.06 | tinker_ | thanks |
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| 18:13.28 | Exagone313 | Hi, I want to switch a friend to Debian (or Debian-based) system, he actually uses Windows XP. What desktop environment would you recommend to him? I hesitate between Cinnamon, KDE and Mate. I prefer to show him first what he'll get. Thanks for your help. |
| 18:14.21 | Exagone313 | I want it to be stable, so I am not sure Cinnamon or KDE could be a good choice. |
| 18:14.27 | markybob | Exagone313, i'm a big fan of xfce |
| 18:15.00 | cra1g321 | kde is stable on debian |
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| 18:15.15 | markybob | Exagone313, particularly since it's an xp system, which means lower hardware |
| 18:15.36 | Exagone313 | It will use a new hardware |
| 18:15.51 | Exagone313 | its computer is a pain |
| 18:15.54 | Exagone313 | his |
| 18:16.11 | markybob | Exagone313, i'd probably still use xfce |
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| 18:16.19 | Exagone313 | that's why I prefer not XFCE, LXDE (openbox lol) |
| 18:16.24 | Jens1112 | hi |
| 18:17.11 | Jens1112 | apropos wm, how can you get a newer version of cinnamon? mine is from july 2015 |
| 18:17.34 | markybob | Jens1112, which debian are you using? |
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| 18:17.55 | Jens1112 | markybob, mine debian is jessie testing |
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| 18:18.14 | markybob | Jens1112, jessie is not testing. |
| 18:19.02 | nkuttler | well, he could be running jessie testing... |
| 18:19.16 | nkuttler | ,v cinnamon |
| 18:19.17 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; sid: 2.6.13-1; stretch: 2.6.13-1 |
| 18:19.17 | markybob | no he couldn't |
| 18:19.28 | Jens1112 | markybob, its debian testing :) |
| 18:19.35 | nkuttler | certainly he can. simply stop upgrading before the release |
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| 18:19.48 | markybob | nkuttler, no. |
| 18:19.55 | nkuttler | shrugs |
| 18:20.06 | Jens1112 | its jessie installation, now its testing |
| 18:20.37 | Jens1112 | markybob, # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL$ |
| 18:20.43 | markybob | Jens1112, so that's as new as you're going to get with testing. |
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| 18:21.08 | markybob | Jens1112, it's commented out. that means nothing. so you're in testing. that's stretch. not jessie |
| 18:21.09 | Jens1112 | markybob, i want to add ppa if it is possible |
| 18:21.16 | markybob | Jens1112, it's not |
| 18:22.07 | markybob | Jens1112, plus testing support is in #debian-next, btw. per /topic |
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| 18:22.49 | Jens1112 | markybob, okay did not knew about that either, its my first debian install |
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| 18:34.44 | rudar | hi |
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| 18:35.32 | rudar | i'm on the verge of reinstalling debian |
| 18:35.59 | rudar | after using fedora for some time i can't stand it anymore |
| 18:36.16 | wsky | is debian.org working for you? |
| 18:36.25 | rudar | yes, it is |
| 18:36.40 | markybob | wsky, yes |
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| 18:37.03 | cruncher | rudar, why reinstall debian? is something seriously wrong with it? |
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| 18:37.25 | rudar | i had debian 6~7 months ago |
| 18:37.31 | cruncher | or you mean you cant stand fedora anymore and had debian installed in the past? |
| 18:37.41 | jhutchins | ,v roundcube |
| 18:37.42 | rudar | cruncher: the second thing you said |
| 18:37.42 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 1.1.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.1.4+dfsg.1-1; stretch: 1.1.4+dfsg.1-1 |
| 18:38.27 | markybob | rudar, cool. do you have a question? |
| 18:38.42 | rudar | markybob: eheh, actually yes |
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| 18:38.53 | rudar | how's the situation for amd video drivers? |
| 18:39.04 | rudar | do you know if is there any news? |
| 18:39.07 | ksx4system | why acpid ignores some events? according to configs fn+f5 for example should do a script instead of killing wireless |
| 18:39.09 | markybob | rudar, pretty good. better than nvidia |
| 18:39.23 | wsky | this is what i was getting a minute ago: http://i.imgur.com/TSGi4j4.png |
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| 18:39.35 | rudar | markybob: really? how so? |
| 18:39.57 | markybob | rudar, nvidia breaks things like it's a friday night party |
| 18:40.10 | rudar | wsky: please open https://www.debian.org/ is there anything wrong with it? |
| 18:40.18 | wsky | it's working atm |
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| 18:40.54 | wsky | but i was getting that for a moment |
| 18:41.26 | ruehrkuchen | btw, who's administer these servers? |
| 18:41.30 | ruehrkuchen | www.debian.org |
| 18:41.32 | ruehrkuchen | ? |
| 18:41.39 | rudar | markybob: do you own an amd video card? |
| 18:42.10 | markybob | rudar, no right now. i have before |
| 18:43.23 | markybob | ruehrkuchen, these people https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/ |
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| 18:57.36 | anddam | I had a long sequence of "a start job is running for LSB raise network interfaces" at boot along with "usb 1-4: device descriptor read/64, error -110" |
| 18:57.56 | anddam | these appeared at once without no (apparent) reason |
| 18:58.15 | anddam | I'd like to dig into each of those, do I examine the boot log with systemctl ? |
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| 18:59.17 | Brigo | anddam, yes, systemctl -b |
| 18:59.29 | Brigo | for check logs from last boot. |
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| 19:00.22 | anddam | my systemctl disagrees |
| 19:01.00 | Amun_Ra | me too |
| 19:01.03 | anddam | cannot find -b or "boot" related entries in systemctl(1) |
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| 19:02.12 | Amun_Ra | systemctl→journalctl |
| 19:02.38 | ksx4system | once again, why acpid ignores settings from /etc/acpi for some events? |
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| 19:02.51 | firefoxos | https://twitter.com/boot2fire/status/688795615912980481 |
| 19:03.01 | jhutchins | ksx4system: Function keys are nonstandard and may not send the code you expect. |
| 19:03.23 | jhutchins | ksx4system: They may also be intercepted at the BIOS/UEFI level. |
| 19:03.47 | ksx4system | jhutchins: acpi_listen told me exact code I need, configuration contains correct keystrokes |
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| 19:04.26 | ksx4system | and in this case BIOS intercepts some other button (hardware Wi-Fi killswitch on the right side of this ThinkPad) |
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| 19:05.13 | ksx4system | jhutchins, fn+f5 should bring up network config app |
| 19:05.26 | otyugh | hey. I've an open port on a computer and I don't get what opens it (netstat don't find which process it is). Is there something easier than using wireshark or killing all the proceses and start selectively ? |
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| 19:06.55 | anddam | lol "module license 'CDDL' taints kernel." |
| 19:07.12 | petemc | otyugh: as root, netstat -puant | grep portnumber |
| 19:07.25 | Amun_Ra | fuser -n tcp portno |
| 19:07.37 | otyugh | petemc, (netstat don't find which process it is) |
| 19:07.50 | anddam | should I be able to figure what "usb 1-4" is by accessing /proc? |
| 19:07.51 | otyugh | I meant what I said |
| 19:08.30 | petemc | good for you |
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| 19:09.43 | anddam | i somehow expected "usb" in /proc/bus |
| 19:10.02 | Jens1112 | hi |
| 19:10.02 | otyugh | petemc, okay, thanks for trying, then. |
| 19:10.04 | Jens1112 | lol |
| 19:10.57 | anddam | I ah lsusb, but it doesn't show any 1-4 |
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| 19:14.11 | Jens1112 | anddam, whats the output anyway |
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| 19:14.30 | anddam | of lsusb? |
| 19:14.36 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: hey |
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| 19:14.42 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: we checked further things |
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| 19:15.37 | DebianCurious500 | ruehrkuchen: seems like kernel 4.xx fix the things or installing another version of the driver fix it even under kernel 3.16 |
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| 19:16.49 | Jens1112 | ive got no idea |
| 19:16.57 | pycoderf | where is the best place to report issues with packages? |
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| 19:18.00 | markybob | !reportbug |
| 19:18.00 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 19:18.47 | pycoderf | thanks |
| 19:19.23 | ruehrkuchen | DebianCurious500: hey, good to hear that |
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| 19:30.10 | lime_ | 19:29 #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited what's up with that? |
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| 19:31.07 | zykotick9 | lime_: you need to connect to the OFTC network first ;) |
| 19:31.47 | lime_ | grumbles |
| 19:32.24 | lime_ | That an rtfm moment? |
| 19:32.39 | markybob | lime_, it's in the /topci :P |
| 19:32.55 | markybob | topic* |
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| 19:33.24 | anddam | something's odd, I booted the system without USB keyboard and mouse in order to figure if the "usb 1-4" error at boot was going to change |
| 19:33.38 | anddam | upon reconnecting the system (a stable debian) completely hanged |
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| 19:33.50 | anddam | and the mouse isn't powered |
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| 19:38.48 | anddam | unplugging the USB HDD made the mouse and keyboard recognized |
| 19:39.02 | anddam | there's definitely something wrong with the enclosure |
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| 19:44.09 | SuperNerd | #uncyclopedia has a bot that bans for saying hello xD |
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| 19:44.24 | miroesq | I have debian Jessie installed on my Odroid XU4 which has an armv7 chip with big/little architecture. I am trying to mount a Windows share folder, but can't seem to get it right. |
| 19:45.18 | markybob | miroesq, https://wiki.debian.org/SAMBAClientSetup |
| 19:45.57 | miroesq | markybob: thanks. i followed that guide though and got an error. |
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| 19:46.44 | markybob | miroesq then perhaps you should pastebin and show us that error |
| 19:46.54 | miroesq | k |
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| 19:51.55 | artag | i'm having trouble upgrading from wheezy to jessie. It appears that udev configuration fails, but I can't tell why |
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| 19:53.00 | artag | dpkg: error processing package udev (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:53.00 | dpkg | artag: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 19:53.50 | artag | dpkg: what isn't an error ? |
| 19:53.51 | dpkg | artag: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 19:53.55 | miroesq | following that guide, I got this error http://pastebin.com/E8Vgf6Y3 |
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| 19:54.18 | smellsLikeGoatSp | hello everyone, I was wondering how to change the boot priority using UEFI. I know my way around BIOS but can't really make out what I am required to change for UEFI though |
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| 19:55.06 | artag | dpkg: I am upgrading with dist-upgrade. I get many failures, but the first one appears to be when it's trying to configure udev |
| 19:55.06 | dpkg | artag: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 19:56.05 | artag | dpkg: what is unparseable about 'udev configuration fails' ? |
| 19:56.07 | dpkg | artag: what are you talking about? |
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| 19:56.46 | artag | dpkg: I am describing a failure to upgrade to jessie. |
| 19:56.46 | dpkg | artag: no idea |
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| 19:57.01 | artag | dpkg: are you a boit ? |
| 19:57.02 | dpkg | artag: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:57.03 | artag | bot |
| 19:57.25 | artag | dpkg: |
| 19:57.25 | dpkg | artag: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:57.28 | artag | dpkg: |
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| 19:58.51 | artag | i'll try again, ignoring the trollbot |
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| 19:59.02 | artag | i'm having trouble upgrading from wheezy to jessie. It appears that udev configuration fails, but I can't tell why |
| 19:59.14 | artag | dpkg: error processing package udev (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:59.14 | dpkg | artag: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 19:59.40 | artag | I get 'error processing package udev (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:59.59 | DebianCurious500 | how it works? :O |
| 20:00.27 | artag | DebianCurious500: it appears to give a random rude reply whenever it's addressed |
| 20:00.59 | DebianCurious500 | lmao i tought it would have pastebin for me |
| 20:01.23 | artag | it's too fast and repetetive though to be human |
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| 20:07.30 | miroesq | markybob: http://pastebin.com/E8Vgf6Y3 |
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| 20:09.45 | artag | fwiw, this seems to be the problem : https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=126012 |
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| 20:12.42 | Elronnd | I installed redshift, and it'c complaining about "Could not get location: xmlNanoHTTPMethod did not get a response from http://api.hostip.info/" |
| 20:13.00 | phogg | artag: dpkg isn't trolling, it just thinks you're addressing it because your pasted error message starts with 'dpkg:' It can't figure out what action you're asking for, though. |
| 20:13.18 | nkuttler | Elronnd: sounds like the remote service is down.. |
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| 20:13.53 | Elronnd | nkuttler: any advice? |
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| 20:14.25 | nkuttler | Elronnd: check the man page if you can pass your position as parameter? |
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| 20:17.30 | Kalimer0 | set up smb access and was working 3 hours ago but if i now search in network its not shown despite the service is running and the server up. can anyone help me to find the error? |
| 20:17.47 | Elronnd | nkuttler: thanks, that worked |
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| 20:18.33 | artag | phogg: thanks :) |
| 20:19.22 | artag | what is it supposed to be able to respond to ? |
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| 20:20.04 | Kalimer0 | artag: meant to me? |
| 20:20.19 | artag | no, to phogg |
| 20:20.39 | artag | or you if you know .. |
| 20:21.11 | Kalimer0 | artag: just joined .. so no idea what you r talking about ^^ |
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| 20:23.15 | artag | Kalimer0: ok no problem |
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| 20:24.28 | ScottO_ | how do you find out what user a service runs as? |
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| 20:24.52 | ScottO_ | im guessing they dont run as root anymore |
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| 20:37.43 | cjen2837 | hi. does anyone know why i might be having trouble connecting 2 external hard drives at the same time? if i do one at a time it works but i want to copy data from one to the other so i need them connected at the same time |
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| 20:39.27 | Elronnd | So... you hook up one of the external hard drives to the computer, mount it |
| 20:39.40 | Elronnd | hook up the other one with a different port, and mount it to a different location |
| 20:39.46 | Elronnd | and move files between them |
| 20:39.51 | Elronnd | what problems are you having? |
| 20:40.08 | cjen2837 | Elronnd, they are both connected using a hard drive docking station |
| 20:40.32 | cjen2837 | if i only put one drive in it works, but if i turn it on with both drives connected, then i can't open the second drive |
| 20:40.34 | Elronnd | You mean that you can only connect one at a time? |
| 20:40.42 | cjen2837 | even though my system recognizes it |
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| 20:40.46 | cjen2837 | yes |
| 20:40.51 | KellerFuchs | waves at Elronnd |
| 20:41.01 | Elronnd | waves at KellerFuchs |
| 20:41.30 | Elronnd | can you copy files from the drive to your computer, switch drives, and copy those files to the second drive? |
| 20:41.51 | artag | what sort of connection are they ? |
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| 20:42.03 | cjen2837 | Elronnd, i dont know how the drives differ so i wanted them both connected so i could use rsync |
| 20:42.06 | cjen2837 | artag, usb |
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| 20:43.00 | artag | between the drives and the docking station or between the pc and the docking station ? |
| 20:43.33 | cjen2837 | my dmesg looks like this. some issues are apparent in there https://paste.debian.net/366351/ |
| 20:43.56 | cjen2837 | artag, between docking station and pc is usb connection |
| 20:44.08 | artag | and between docking station and drives ? |
| 20:44.10 | miroesq | I've looked at a few different guids and tried them, but am still unable to mount a windows 10 share in Debian Jessie. |
| 20:44.13 | cjen2837 | between the drives is sata |
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| 20:44.36 | artag | ok. pata has some links but sata should be ok |
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| 20:47.18 | testpil0t | ,v |
| 20:47.19 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 20:47.22 | testpil0t | ,v lvm2 |
| 20:47.23 | judd | Package: lvm2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.02.66-5; wheezy: 2.02.95-8; jessie: 2.02.111-2.2; stretch: 2.02.138-1; sid: 2.02.138-1 |
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| 20:48.21 | cjen2837 | thanks for the info i will keep trying |
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| 20:58.03 | ScottO_ | my openvpn.service file was empty after install, how would i regenerate it? |
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| 20:58.30 | ScottO_ | i found this because i couldnt get openvpn to start using systemd |
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| 21:03.07 | stoned | Hello |
| 21:03.24 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/gHTZ <- do you think this script is okay to use for zram service? |
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| 21:29.56 | stoned | how do I make sure it launches zram stop when I shutdown or restart the system? |
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| 21:51.43 | jelly | stoned: if you're only using zram for swap, why care about stopping it at all? |
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| 21:53.54 | stoned | I dunno |
| 21:54.03 | stoned | I dunno what I'm doing. |
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| 21:54.22 | stoned | Someone told me to look at that as an example they had dual core, I expanded it. |
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| 21:54.38 | stoned | I made the script and put it in /etc/init.d/ and insserv it |
| 21:55.17 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/LfeY |
| 21:55.38 | ppparadox | Hello, how can in unsubscribe from tracker.debian.org? I once sent a bug report but now my inbox is being swamped by other bug reports i don't care about! |
| 21:55.44 | jelly | stoned: I wouldn't bother waiting for swapoff at shutdown or reboot at all, what's the purpose |
| 21:55.46 | stoned | In the official debian zram wiki example, it has a sotp |
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| 21:56.17 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam |
| 21:56.37 | jelly | it makes sense to stop only if you want to get rid of zram during runtime for some reason, but not for shutdown |
| 21:56.38 | stoned | so in the stop case, it does what my script is doing pretty much |
| 21:56.47 | stoned | I see |
| 21:56.58 | jelly | do you swapoff normal swap for shutdown? |
| 21:57.04 | jelly | any why would you? |
| 21:57.08 | stoned | I do not. |
| 21:57.18 | stoned | I see. |
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| 22:00.00 | stoned | jelly: I have a swap partition which is mounted by /etc/fstab. Do I need to do something for zram to make it start 4 devices on boot? |
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| 22:00.06 | jelly | stoned: also, did the original script run anything in background? that "wait" command does not serve a purpose as it is now |
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| 22:00.26 | stoned | I am unaware |
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| 22:01.16 | jelly | wait builtin wait for background children of the shell to finish. If there's no "stuff & " before it, it makes no sense |
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| 22:02.42 | stoned | the example on debian wiki also contains no & anywhere |
| 22:02.43 | jelly | stoned: the script looks fine for setting up about 2GB of zram-based swap. |
| 22:03.17 | stoned | But it does contain sleep and wait. |
| 22:03.20 | stoned | oh ok, thanks |
| 22:03.31 | stoned | I just want to make sure I won't have any problems upon reboot or something |
| 22:03.58 | jelly | I didn't even bother with an init script, just chucked it into rc.local |
| 22:04.22 | jelly | doing swapoff will just slow down the process a bit |
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| 22:04.41 | stoned | Maybe we can try to improve upon the xample in the wiki |
| 22:04.44 | stoned | while we're at it |
| 22:04.55 | stoned | I took the example almost verbatim from there, kinda |
| 22:05.11 | stoned | At least the part you're saying don' serve much purpose |
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| 22:05.27 | jelly | I'm not going to bother with that, sorry |
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| 22:06.03 | stoned | I'm in too much pain to even care. My zram stuffs work for now. I'll tackle any problems should I have any later. |
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| 22:06.09 | stoned | Thanks a bunch dude |
| 22:06.13 | jelly | np |
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| 22:07.35 | ppparadox | Hello, how can in unsubscribe from tracker.debian.org? I once sent a bug report but now my inbox is being swamped by other bug reports i don't care about! |
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| 22:08.58 | jhutchins | ppparadox: Learn to create filters? |
| 22:09.10 | jhutchins | ppparadox: Log in to the site and follow directions? |
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| 22:13.57 | jelly | stoned: in my experience zram does about 2.3-2.6:1 compression. so if you have 2GB RAM, it may make sense to assume at least 2:1, and allocate the same amount of zram swap as there's physical RAM |
| 22:14.28 | ppparadox | jhutchins: I do know how to use filters, i don't want to use them for this purpose, i just want the mails to stop. |
| 22:15.44 | stoned | jelly: I have 8gb ram physical, and 2gb zram swap, and 75GB of regular |
| 22:15.59 | stoned | I somehow ended up making the entire 75GB of the remaining free space swap |
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| 22:16.20 | stoned | Which is fine. I don't care. |
| 22:16.38 | armin_ | you don't care about almost 80gig of storage? |
| 22:16.52 | stoned | eh, I have 14 tb of which I use maybe 6. |
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| 22:17.01 | stoned | It's whatever. For now. |
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| 22:17.46 | stoned | This is 75 GB toward the end of the backup green drive, and I just didn't care. Once I get my data xferred from ntfs disks to linux, I'll free up spac eon ssd and put a swap file there |
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| 22:18.34 | armin_ | fair enough |
| 22:18.45 | stoned | Also, debian jessie, 3.16 kernel, xfs file system on ssd, do you or do you not recommend the trim stuff supported by the FS or should I manually rum fstrim or something in a script? There is a discard mount time option but i read somewhere that it's unstable on 3.16 or something or lower kernels than 4 |
| 22:19.01 | jelly | (try hard not to swap actively to ssd, it's usually cheaper to buy more RAM than to buy a new ssd) |
| 22:19.04 | stoned | I can't remember where I read that. But how would you go about TRIMming an XFS ssd |
| 22:19.24 | stoned | True, the 75GB of swap is on mechanical disk. I rare ever swap |
| 22:19.39 | stoned | nothign on ssd atm regarding swap |
| 22:19.39 | jelly | then you don't need zram either |
| 22:19.55 | stoned | Well sometimes I find myself running out of ram using chrome/netbeans. |
| 22:20.08 | stoned | That |
| 22:20.17 | stoned | er... that's why I looked into enabling swap today |
| 22:20.22 | armin_ | stoned: well i don't know, i've never used xfs on SSD drives so i simply cannot say. |
| 22:20.40 | stoned | np man, thanks |
| 22:21.02 | stoned | Just trying to figure out. I have a script to do ti, but I wonder if I should use a mount time discard option instead and do it automatically |
| 22:21.10 | stoned | or if I should do my trim script hourly or daily |
| 22:21.33 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/WNHZ |
| 22:21.46 | stoned | I have / and /home on ssd |
| 22:22.35 | stoned | Any advice? I'll be back in a bit hang on |
| 22:22.54 | armin_ | stoned: did you read http://xfs.org/index.php/FITRIM/discard ? |
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| 22:23.52 | stoned | stoned@Stoned-PC:~$ cat /sys/block/sda/queue/discard_max_bytes |
| 22:23.54 | stoned | 2147450880 |
| 22:24.00 | stoned | armin_: reading n ow, thanks for that |
| 22:24.14 | armin_ | yw :) |
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| 22:25.03 | stoned | I wonder how much of a performance hit it could be. |
| 22:25.13 | stoned | it keeps the system busy until it's doen trimming |
| 22:25.22 | stoned | that could pose a problem sometims udirn gheavy load times |
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| 22:25.50 | stoned | mabye a batch mode is more preferable. I already have that in a script. I I suppose I could make it hourly or how often should it be run |
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| 22:27.19 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/IfZC my trim.log |
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| 22:39.32 | vraid | i'm trying to compile a C project that i wrote, but when using make, it seems to ignore all compilation errors and produce an output file that just crashes when run |
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| 22:39.37 | vraid | any idea what i could be missing? |
| 22:39.57 | vraid | the configuration worked previously on a virtual debian machine on another computer |
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| 22:42.09 | ruehrkuchen | vraid: #debian - #c |
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| 22:42.49 | anddam | vraid: also provide as fewer details as you can, that's going to work |
| 22:42.51 | ruehrkuchen | oh, wrong channel |
| 22:42.53 | ruehrkuchen | nevermind |
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| 22:43.42 | anddam | I doubt that you're getting an assembled executable if there are compilation errors |
| 22:43.51 | vraid | anddam: i'm really not sure what details i should be providing |
| 22:44.02 | anddam | really? |
| 22:44.31 | anddam | the makefile you're using, the command you're actually running, the output you're getting |
| 22:44.43 | anddam | possibly a reproducible example with the source code |
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| 22:45.26 | anddam | also the output of the crash |
| 22:45.38 | anddam | maybe a debugger run at it |
| 22:46.05 | vraid | the make says nothing and produces an executable that runs into a segmentation fault as soon as it's run |
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| 22:46.18 | vraid | with obvious errors in the code (undefined functions being called) |
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| 22:46.47 | vraid | is there any decent website to upload a bunch of text files? |
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| 22:46.57 | anddam | gist if you're on github |
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| 22:58.05 | vraid | including a header file rather than a .c file was causing it |
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| 22:58.25 | vraid | everything was undefined, and the compiler said nothing of it |
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| 23:03.21 | onpon4 | Hey, question: I've noticed that attempting to search in the Activities overview on Debian 8, the characters get entered out of order when the system slows down to load stuff. A GNOME bug, I assume. Is there anything I can do to prevent this (other than slowing down my typing)? |
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| 23:03.54 | beepie | onpon4, could be that you're not using an ideal video driver for your gfx |
| 23:04.15 | onpon4 | beepie: I doubt it. I have an Intel integrated graphics controller. |
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| 23:04.32 | beepie | onpon4, well you have to check |
| 23:04.45 | beepie | onpon4, /var/log/Xorg.0.log should say what/if any errors there are |
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| 23:05.09 | beepie | onpon4, sometimes in order to fully use the intel drivers, you have to install many things -- i've seen this a number times |
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| 23:05.23 | vraid | anddam: so i had a lot of faulty assumptions about make apparently, but i'm on track now |
| 23:05.31 | onpon4 | cat: /var/log/Xorg.O.log: No such file or directory |
| 23:05.32 | beepie | onpon4, 1- microcode, 2- latest kernel, and update the latest packages of x-intel |
| 23:06.05 | beepie | onpon4, try zero instead of letter o |
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| 23:07.19 | beepie | onpon4, my recommendation is to install backports and install kernel 4.3 |
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| 23:07.58 | onpon4 | beepie: http://pastebin.com/D3CFzAza |
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| 23:10.00 | onpon4 | beepie: I previously used Trisquel 7. That uses an older version of Linux, and I didn't have this specific problem there. So I doubt upgrading the kernel is what I need to do. |
| 23:10.09 | onpon4 | Besides, this is not a new system. |
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| 23:11.12 | beepie | onpon4, i noticed here i too have the same issue with "trisquel" which i tried back a couple months. It was dead-dry slow, -- trisquel uses the "librekernel" -- they rip out alot of firmware or problematic code.. though on edition 6, their kernels were more stable. |
| 23:11.41 | beepie | onpon4, you'd just have to take your chances, but you won't "delete" your previous kernels. it'll still be available with the grub menu |
| 23:12.01 | beepie | onpon4, to add backports, clone your "main" repo, and change the new line from jessie to "back-ports" |
| 23:12.13 | onpon4 | beepie: That depends on your hardware. Radeon GPUs require proprietary firmware for proper hardware acceleration. Intel graphics controllers do not. |
| 23:12.20 | beepie | onpon4, apt-get update, then apt-get install linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 23:12.34 | beepie | onpon4, you told me you're using "intel" gfx. |
| 23:12.40 | beepie | onpon4, are you using debian or not? |
| 23:12.48 | onpon4 | Yes. |
| 23:13.00 | beepie | onpon4, intel makes updates/fixes directly to kernel.org |
| 23:13.07 | onpon4 | And Intel Ivybridge graphics. |
| 23:13.09 | beepie | onpon4, they're a top contributor to the linux kernel project |
| 23:13.30 | beepie | onpon4, ok so what are you doing here? you're not here for advice. You don't have a radeon, so what do you want? |
| 23:13.38 | beepie | :) |
| 23:13.42 | beepie | leaves |
| 23:13.58 | onpon4 | Ooookay... |
| 23:14.39 | beepie | onpon4, you're not even using debian. |
| 23:14.43 | beepie | onpon4, please go. |
| 23:14.47 | onpon4 | beepie: Yes... I am. |
| 23:15.00 | onpon4 | I'm asking about a problem I'm having in Debian, and how to work around it. |
| 23:15.35 | onpon4 | You're telling me to upgrade my kernel, but that's probably not something that will help in my case. |
| 23:16.07 | bazhang | beepie, is lsb_release -a the preferred way to see version |
| 23:16.32 | beepie | bazhang, you tell him, he's complaining about "radeon" when his dam log shows "intel". you help him. thanks. |
| 23:17.36 | bazhang | is that a yes? |
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| 23:18.45 | beepie | bazhang, he bitches about "trisquel" another distro, he bitches about "radeon". You don't have to ass me about a topic I'm not longer part of. :) |
| 23:18.51 | bazhang | !lsb |
| 23:18.51 | dpkg | hmm... lsb is Debian is dropping LSB support; see https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ -- Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
| 23:19.36 | bazhang | perhaps it's cat /etc/issue then |
| 23:19.47 | beepie | more like pebcak |
| 23:19.58 | beepie | bazhang, best thing is not to help eccentric users |
| 23:20.03 | beepie | bazhang, (i speak for myself) |
| 23:20.44 | bazhang | beepie, yeah, I'm not asking about this for onpo's sake |
| 23:21.07 | beepie | apparently |
| 23:21.18 | beepie | i'll help someone else who's more valuable of my time |
| 23:21.19 | bazhang | huh what |
| 23:21.39 | bazhang | no idea what that is even about |
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| 23:21.50 | bazhang | I can just go bingit |
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| 23:26.06 | bazhang | !version |
| 23:26.06 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
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| 23:30.01 | onpon4 | beepie: I'm not "bitching about" Radeon or Trisquel. My problem is a GNOME problem. I mentioned both of these only in response to things you said. |
| 23:30.30 | onpon4 | I'm just looking for a way to prevent GNOME's Activities overview search from getting my characters out of order when I type. |
| 23:30.37 | bazhang | onpon4, they dont want to support you, volunteers can choose that |
| 23:30.43 | onpon4 | Which happens when the search slows down, probably due to my *hard drive*. |
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| 23:31.22 | bazhang | onpon4, ask in a gnome support channel, /msg alis list gnome |
| 23:31.43 | onpon4 | bazhang: I did ask in #gnome first. |
| 23:31.53 | bazhang | onpon4, so wait |
| 23:32.00 | zykotick9 | bazhang: when determining what "version" of debian is running, it's probably a good idea to consult the "apt-cache policy" output and see what repos are enabled... |
| 23:32.21 | bazhang | zykotick9, cool thanks |
| 23:32.39 | bazhang | not so much the ubuntu'y one command thing then |
| 23:33.00 | zykotick9 | bazhang: oh "lsb_release -sc" is still quick 'n easy ;) |
| 23:33.09 | bazhang | heh nice |
| 23:33.20 | ruehrkuchen | like a quickie :P |
| 23:34.19 | onpon4 | bazhang: Right, that's what I'm doing. I asked on here because someone in #gnome answered and couldn't think of a solution that worked. |
| 23:34.54 | onpon4 | I apologize if I've been overly terse, but this only in response to beepie's accusations of me not using Debian, and other nonsense like that. |
| 23:36.10 | onpon4 | Hm, not terse, confrontational. Anyway, I do apologize for that. |
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| 23:37.57 | Brigo | onpon4, you can run iotop in a graphic terminal and see what process is using the disk. It could help. |
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| 23:39.34 | onpon4 | Brigo: Well, I know what the hard drive access is. It's the search feature searching for things. It's just that it takes it as long as 1/4 of a second to do it, and during that slowdown the order of characters gets screwed up. |
| 23:40.29 | Brigo | onpon4, and you want to disable it? |
| 23:41.09 | onpon4 | Brigo: No, of course not. Then it wouldn't be searching. :) I just want to figure out a way to prevent the order of the characters from getting mixed up. |
| 23:41.33 | onpon4 | It seems to be a GNOME bug, but I wonder if perhaps there's a way I can cause the input to be delayed when this happens. |
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| 23:41.40 | onpon4 | Or something like that. |
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| 23:42.28 | hippytaff | may sound daft, butis it possible to build a 64 bit deb on a 32 bit machine? |
| 23:42.49 | beepie | hippytaff, of course |
| 23:42.50 | hippytaff | with dh_make |
| 23:42.51 | Brigo | onpon4, well i don't use gnome, don't like it, so i don't know how to solve it. |
| 23:43.02 | beepie | hippytaff, that's called cross-compiling, it's done all the time |
| 23:43.17 | hippytaff | beepie: ok thanks |
| 23:43.20 | nevyn | hippytaff: you can build things on completely foreign arch's |
| 23:43.24 | beepie | hippytaff, np |
| 23:43.27 | hippytaff | will look it up now I have a keyword :) |
| 23:43.47 | beepie | !tell hippytaff about cross-compiling |
| 23:43.50 | nevyn | ie build arm on x86 etc (however the debian build system doesn't do this So I wouldn't be surprised if dh_make doesn't like it |
| 23:44.15 | hippytaff | awesome |
| 23:44.53 | allizom | Hi, speaking of avidemux, should I go about building 2.5.x branch or 2.6.x for use in jessie? All I need is to use OCR on vobsub captions. I'd be glad if somebody familiar with the issue could step in |
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| 23:48.21 | nevyn | hippytaff: huh so a little research turns up: https://wiki.debian.org/CrossBuildPackagingGuidelines |
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| 23:48.35 | nevyn | hippytaff: the short version is.. kinda works. |
| 23:48.50 | nevyn | and as one would expect it's focused on armhf |
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| 23:53.31 | zykotick9 | allizom: well, if dmo is anything to go on, they have 2.5 for wheezy and 2.6 for jessie... |
| 23:54.31 | hippytaff | its not straight forwad then. 32 bit package on 64 bit is ok it seems, not so the other way around |
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| 23:56.26 | beepie | hippytaff, you can cross-compile anything, it's just that you need to setup the environment appropriately.. fwiw, i'm blind to any workaround for this as it certainly can be a very tedius undertaking in troubleshooting -- you have to be quit familiar with compiling in general |
| 23:56.38 | beepie | hippytaff, ./(quite familiar-typo)/ |
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| 23:58.09 | hippytaff | beepie, yeah, well I've only just got my head around compiling from source and compiling debs, so maybe that battle is for another day. |
| 23:58.52 | beepie | hippytaff, it's tough shit to troubleshoot that stuff that's all i can say about it tehehe |
| 23:58.59 | beepie | hippytaff, takes lots of experience too |
| 23:59.13 | hippytaff | defo for another time beepie |
| 23:59.37 | hippytaff | thanks for the heads up...would have duckduckgo'd for hours otherwise :) |
