| 00:00.33 | beepie | hippytaff, if i knew right off the bat i can say what may be possible, but cross-compiling can be done for pretty much any architecture... it's a very hackery underatking for someone new to compiling.. |
| 00:00.39 | beepie | hippytaff, what are you trying to really solve? |
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| 00:00.52 | beepie | hippytaff, maybe that could be more appropriately addressed |
| 00:03.24 | hippytaff | nah, I packaged terminology-0.9.1 for bodhilinux, but they need a 64bit one as well really and I only have 32 bit laptop, so its a case of tough really I think lol |
| 00:03.47 | familybuilding | Hello and where do I find information why my jessie does not have and not create a wlan0 although I have told /etc/network/interfaces?! |
| 00:04.04 | beepie | familybuilding, ifconfig -a, shows wlan0? |
| 00:04.09 | hippytaff | whata your chipset familybuilding |
| 00:04.10 | hippytaff | ? |
| 00:04.11 | familybuilding | no |
| 00:04.52 | beepie | hippytaff, i suppose you may have considered using vbox to ease on compiling for the same platform. You can run 64-bit guest machines on 32-bit linux, but I think the processor hardware must be 64-bit |
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| 00:05.41 | beepie | familybuilding, did you answer my question or someone else's ? |
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| 00:06.20 | beepie | nm |
| 00:07.02 | dvs | familybuilding: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 00:08.01 | beepie | he tells me in pm he has broadcom, good luck lol |
| 00:08.05 | beepie | !broadcom |
| 00:08.05 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 00:08.14 | beepie | worst chips ever for any linux distro |
| 00:08.18 | beepie | *worst* |
| 00:08.21 | hippytaff | beepie: yeah, thats what I'll have to do |
| 00:08.22 | hippytaff | :) |
| 00:08.39 | beepie | broadcom is the satan! |
| 00:08.43 | hippytaff | if its b43xx it can work |
| 00:08.44 | beepie | avoid it completely |
| 00:08.55 | hippytaff | I have that chipset |
| 00:09.02 | hippytaff | can get it working pretty easily |
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| 00:09.52 | beepie | by "luck" :) -- with broadcom you never really know |
| 00:10.10 | familybuilding | hhmmm |
| 00:10.11 | beepie | i'd say 1 out 2 chances it would work for him.. |
| 00:10.33 | beepie | familybuilding, maybe hippytaff can help ya with this.. i'd recommend using the firmware supported packages for anything bcom.. |
| 00:10.51 | beepie | i forget the pacakge name, i suppose it's something like b43cutter |
| 00:11.24 | beepie | familybuilding, i don't see that lspci output, can you paste that here? i'm not going to ask you to please stop pm'ing me thanks |
| 00:12.01 | beepie | familybuilding, other users in here can help you better than i can in other things |
| 00:12.20 | beepie | familybuilding, ok so if you tell me you solved it, let everyone know you solved it :) |
| 00:12.37 | hippytaff | looks like intel |
| 00:12.59 | hippytaff | must be a nm problem or something |
| 00:12.59 | familybuilding | I did not solve it, all I got is this, |
| 00:13.01 | familybuilding | lspci 02:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) lspci | grep -i wlan lspci | grep -i wifi lspci | grep -i wireless 02:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) lspci -nn | grep Network 02:03.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (r |
| 00:13.02 | beepie | hippytaff, it's ok if you made a typo, you can re-paste (pastebin.com), the output |
| 00:13.11 | beepie | hippytaff, (if it's more than two lines use pastebin.com) |
| 00:13.27 | hippytaff | that wasnt me lol |
| 00:13.28 | dvs | !iwlwifi |
| 00:13.28 | familybuilding | but then iwconfig wlan0 wlan0 No such device |
| 00:13.28 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
| 00:13.43 | beepie | familybuilding, (pastebin.com) |
| 00:14.05 | beepie | familybuilding, (dvs was asking for your lscpi output, not me) |
| 00:14.26 | hippytaff | lscpi | grep -i network |
| 00:14.51 | hippytaff | anyway...its intel, so my owrkaround won't work |
| 00:15.25 | beepie | hippytaff, dpkg -l|grep firmware , you should by standard install intel firmware packages |
| 00:15.33 | dvs | familybuilding: You need the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
| 00:15.39 | hippytaff | ah |
| 00:15.40 | beepie | hippytaff, dmesg |grep fail |
| 00:15.44 | familybuilding | Got you, driver issue. There's no such thing a an ipw2200 driver. |
| 00:15.50 | beepie | hippytaff, if it says failed to load firmware, then you know for sure |
| 00:16.21 | hippytaff | beepie: do you mean familybuilding ? |
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| 00:16.38 | beepie | hippytaff, you cuse you using intel and may not be using at its optimal driver settings :) |
| 00:16.59 | dvs | familybuilding: please dont PM me. |
| 00:17.39 | beepie | familybuilding, you should ask people before you pm them, because it is faster to solve problems when everybody sees what has been tried. You're a newbie, and we can tell. It is ok to ask "stupid" questions. |
| 00:17.40 | hippytaff | I've got a b43xx chipset...I know that lol it was a massive pita until I worked out to get the bcmwl-kernel-source, modprobe -r some and mdprobe wl lol |
| 00:17.53 | hippytaff | look...Stop baling me for stuff dude lol |
| 00:18.00 | beepie | familybuilding, as long as you are learning somethingn and at least trying to figure out on a fair behalf |
| 00:18.08 | hippytaff | I'm not pmis nor have I wifi problems lol |
| 00:18.15 | dvs | !tell familybuilding about non-free sources |
| 00:19.14 | beepie | hippytaff, i usually don't ever see a workaround with intel wifi, pretty much for most cases it is upgrade kernel, and upgrade intel firmware.. |
| 00:19.17 | beepie | hippytaff, :) |
| 00:19.26 | beepie | hippytaff, whether you have problems with wifi or not, :) |
| 00:19.37 | hippytaff | haha...ok |
| 00:19.44 | hippytaff | I thought intel worked out of the box |
| 00:20.04 | hippytaff | normally |
| 00:20.07 | beepie | hippytaff, the worst-case workaround for any networking problems imho is to finally reside with "ndis" -- that is totally crap. might as well just buy completely new nic card and get done with it |
| 00:20.26 | beepie | hippytaff, intel does work out of the box. but many of its nics require to use the intel firmware packagte |
| 00:20.52 | hippytaff | I had an old colexico card that plugged into the serial port or some such |
| 00:21.01 | beepie | hippytaff, debian's official installers dont include commercial binary blobs, so that means it won't be available in such cases |
| 00:21.03 | hippytaff | could never get thtat working..even with fwcutter |
| 00:21.32 | beepie | hippytaff, but the drivers will work with the linux-kernel and debian firmware packages as expected -- no special hack/workaround... |
| 00:21.44 | hippytaff | ah I see |
| 00:22.04 | hippytaff | forgot debiasn is really FOSS :) |
| 00:22.39 | beepie | hippytaff, (that means install with "non-free" packages)-- there's a community release iso that includes them |
| 00:22.39 | hippytaff | I always enable restricted and such...Stallman would hate me |
| 00:22.54 | beepie | hippytaff, restricted is ubuntu family distros |
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| 00:23.08 | hippytaff | you know what I mean...nonfree |
| 00:23.10 | beepie | hippytaff, on debian the equiv, is "non-free" and "contrib" |
| 00:23.16 | hippytaff | yeah |
| 00:23.27 | beepie | hippytaff, you just have to add these after "main", and apply apt-get update, |
| 00:23.43 | beepie | hippytaff, catch-22 of course, if you can't have internet without that stupid one package |
| 00:23.46 | beepie | hippytaff, :) |
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| 00:24.10 | beepie | hippytaff, sometimes the driver can "work" without the firmware, but won't be running at ideal speed.. |
| 00:24.17 | hippytaff | yep...I'm writing an offline installer for my chipset, because I'm fed up with forgetting or losing my ethernet |
| 00:24.29 | beepie | hippytaff, this case is easy, merely install that one package, and reboot, prob solved |
| 00:24.40 | hippytaff | awesome |
| 00:24.42 | familybuilding | allright I'm slowly getting there, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-linux-nonfree https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-iwlwifi https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-ipw2x00 but there's also this conf file I need to amend non free somewhere, .. |
| 00:25.15 | dvs | familybuilding: like dpkg told you? |
| 00:26.05 | hippytaff | sudo nano /etc/apt/eource.list |
| 00:26.20 | hippytaff | put non-free after main |
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| 00:27.40 | familybuilding | like dpkg told me. |
| 00:27.58 | hippytaff | sudo apt-get update |
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| 00:29.11 | hippytaff | sudo apt-get install {package name} where {package name} is the driver |
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| 00:30.50 | hippytaff | beepie apt-get install? or just reboot? |
| 00:30.59 | hippytaff | for familybuildings wireless ;) |
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| 00:35.33 | guardian | hello, I'm running wheezy and fail2ban 0.8.6 |
| 00:35.36 | guardian | when issuing fail2ban-client get ssh-ddos actionunban iptables |
| 00:35.42 | guardian | instead of the corresponding iptables command |
| 00:35.48 | guardian | I get no output and a 255 exit code |
| 00:36.15 | guardian | in the log there's: WARNING Invalid command: ['get', 'ssh-ddos', 'actionunban', 'iptables'] |
| 00:36.18 | guardian | how can I troubleshoot? |
| 00:37.16 | familybuilding | installing sudo apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00 and firmware-iwlwifi now without faults. |
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| 00:38.55 | familybuilding | Thanks guys, I'll be back tomorrow. |
| 00:39.06 | dvs | ??? |
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| 00:42.13 | familybuilding | Don't know if it works, but it is going to. I've installed the driver, rebooted with /etc/init.d/dbus reload and now try to find wlan0, knowing that I have installed the correct driver. |
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| 00:43.53 | familybuilding | Thanks dvs hippytaff and dpkg, pretty certain that I progressed and find things tomorrow. Best of luck. |
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| 00:44.05 | dvs | np |
| 00:44.35 | hippytaff | np |
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| 01:14.00 | awal1 | How ffmpeg / libav* are made defaults in Debian? |
| 01:15.03 | awal1 | Seems that debian will switch to ffmpeg in next releases, but how is that done in the technical side in debian system? |
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| 01:18.05 | cafuego | awal1: via /etc/alternatives I guess |
| 01:18.17 | cafuego | awal1: update-alternatives --list ffmpeg |
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| 01:21.16 | awal1 | cafuego: ok |
| 01:29.54 | themill | no, the old packages just stop shipping things in /usr/bin + /usr/lib and the new packages start shipping them |
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| 01:37.15 | awal1 | themill, thats (your answer) exactly what I was "guessing" and what I was trying to understand |
| 01:38.25 | awal1 | thanks, themill, now I know where to search/look for understand what happens exactly (Y) |
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| 01:49.16 | themill | awal1: there will be a set of transitional packages and various Replaces+Breaks relationships in place to make apt do the right thing on upgrades. |
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| 01:51.16 | themill | ,replaces ffmpeg sid |
| 01:51.18 | judd | Package ffmpeg in sid/amd64 -- replaces: libav-tools (<< 6:12~~), qt-faststart (<< 7:2.7.1-3~). |
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| 01:54.53 | awal1 | themill: all that will be made automatically by apt probably eh? |
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| 01:55.17 | awal1 | will be done ^ |
| 01:56.15 | themill | ,depends libav-tools sid |
| 01:56.17 | judd | Package libav-tools in sid/amd64 -- depends: ffmpeg. |
| 01:57.26 | themill | awal1: ^^ yes, if you had libav-tools installed in jessie, then the upgrade to sid will upgrade it to the transitional package that has a dependency on the new package and so the new package gets installed too. The libav-tools package in sid is in the "oldlibs" section as a clue that it can and should be removed from the machine at some stage in the future |
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| 02:01.30 | awal1 | themill: yes, I have libav-tools. i understood well. Ok, thanks for your time and attention :) |
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| 02:43.30 | waspinator | I made a serverfault question with the output of error.log http://serverfault.com/questions/749823/apache-python-version-mismatch-error-on-debian-8 |
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| 03:12.23 | mdim | hi all |
| 03:12.34 | mdim | I use GNOME and Evolution to handle my mail |
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| 03:12.48 | mdim | I also have my own web server and until recently, I had a self-signed SSL certificate |
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| 03:13.05 | mdim | how do I delete the certificate from Evolution's list of trusted certificates? |
| 03:13.15 | EgoAleSum | hi, quick question: if I re-install Debian, how can i attach a raid-5 array to the new OS without having to re-format and re-build the array? |
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| 04:38.34 | rtfsource | My mother-tongue is Persian and I hold an MA in English, plus 10+ years of experience in GNU/Linux desktop experience. I would like to translate the Debian wiki and webpages. Where do I begin? |
| 04:38.50 | rtfsource | The current Persian translation is sloppy! |
| 04:39.04 | rtfsource | s/desktop experience/desktop/ |
| 04:39.52 | svetlana | hi, thanks rtfsource, please, see https://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating.en.html and https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp and just ask if you have a particular page or program in mind |
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| 04:40.14 | rtfsource | svetlana: thank you |
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| 04:41.26 | svetlana | no, thank YOU rtfsource and welcome to freenode |
| 04:42.43 | rtfsource | svetlana: well, GNU(/Linux) belongs to all of us, anyway. Now it's my turn to contribute back. |
| 04:42.56 | svetlana | true that :) |
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| 04:45.45 | beepie | hein rtfsource? you mean "rtfm" !!!!!!! |
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| 04:46.24 | beepie | source, i would think that one should be reading the sourcecode or something |
| 04:46.43 | beepie | rtfsource, < ah |
| 04:46.46 | beepie | rtfsource, you! |
| 04:46.57 | beepie | rtfsource, thanks for the confusion dude |
| 04:51.42 | rtfsource | hehe |
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| 04:52.57 | rtfsource | it's just means I'm such an arrogant badass low-level hacker and all... |
| 04:53.01 | rtfsource | ;) |
| 04:53.14 | rtfsource | RTFS, you ignorant noob! |
| 04:53.16 | rtfsource | j/k |
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| 05:00.32 | reev | hi |
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| 05:02.23 | svetlana | rtfsource: oh haha, indeed a nice nickname. I interpret it as "read the free source" now. (free as in freedom) |
| 05:02.31 | svetlana | hello reev :) |
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| 05:54.15 | alephOne^ | #debian is interested in supporting AmigaOS? |
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| 06:02.38 | jelly | alephOne^: other OSes are not topical here. You may have better luck looking for an amiga-related channel, /msg alis list *amiga* |
| 06:03.13 | alephOne^ | you are the GOOD coders, jelly |
| 06:08.32 | jelly | alephOne^: not a coder at all, alephOne^; anyway, if anyone is interested in that legacy platform they can join the ##amiga channel in addition to this one |
| 06:08.54 | alephOne^ | ok |
| 06:09.05 | alephOne^ | then let me rephrase the question |
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| 06:12.05 | unixfu- | lookn for str8 trades, legit box, 1gbps- shell on mine for shell on urs, pm me |
| 06:12.07 | unixfu- | .part |
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| 06:12.21 | Wildefyr | how can I contact a maintainer? the suckless-tools package is one of the most retarded pieces of packing ever |
| 06:12.45 | themill | Wildefyr: you can start by dropping that sort of language. |
| 06:12.50 | Wildefyr | s/packing/packaging/ |
| 06:13.09 | Wildefyr | oh boo hoo |
| 06:13.25 | jelly | Wildefyr: file a coherent bug report |
| 06:13.36 | themill | Wildefyr: Constructive and addressable bugs go in coherent bug reports to the bts. |
| 06:14.05 | alephOne^ | classic operating system AmigaOS is now opensourced. can the issue of developing debian support for a brand new OS based on the platform of the classic Commodore Amiga computer be any topic for yah? |
| 06:14.09 | Wildefyr | new to debian you see |
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| 06:14.41 | Wildefyr | but grouping tools together that bare no relation to each other just because they're made but the same group is something else |
| 06:15.01 | Wildefyr | s/but/by |
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| 06:15.52 | hrobjartur | hi all |
| 06:16.23 | hrobjartur | I have a question -- does debian have a pen/touch tablet device GUI for configuration? |
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| 06:16.43 | Wildefyr | guess I'll just go and build slock on it's on without having to install the rest of the packages that overwrote my own installed copies |
| 06:16.56 | hrobjartur | I really need one :D and ubuntu did something evil |
| 06:17.11 | alephOne^ | . |
| 06:17.20 | themill | Wildefyr: if you installed them where they belong it wouldn't do so. |
| 06:17.41 | themill | Wildefyr: /usr/bin is for apt to look after. |
| 06:17.50 | Wildefyr | clearly so |
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| 06:18.21 | jelly | alephOne^: if you're talking about the hardware platform, m68k and powerpc debian architectures used to run on some of those systems |
| 06:18.47 | Wildefyr | I don't generally give a shit because I'm now used to compiling everything I need into /usr/bin |
| 06:18.53 | jelly | alephOne^: that however had nothing to do with AmigaOS, it was linux |
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| 06:19.11 | themill | Wildefyr: that's not Debian's problem. |
| 06:20.01 | Wildefyr | never said it was |
| 06:20.53 | jelly | Wildefyr: your builds would clash less with the distro if you used /usr/local prefix instead |
| 06:21.05 | Wildefyr | ah yes /usr/local |
| 06:21.48 | amigaguru | jelly: I know that debian used to run on early classic AmigaOS systems. thing is, AmigaOS source code is now open. things are happenining. Amiga family needs support from Debian |
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| 06:21.57 | Wildefyr | guess I am not used to people managing packages for me |
| 06:22.23 | amigaguru | erm jelly: debian IS linux |
| 06:22.47 | jelly | we have debian on freebsd now, too |
| 06:23.37 | amigaguru | debian is a linux flavour |
| 06:23.38 | derener | Wildefyr if i run a make install that destroyes half the binaries in /usr/bin it is my problem, not debian's |
| 06:23.58 | amigaguru | freebsd is a quite different OS |
| 06:24.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell amigaguru about kfreebsd |
| 06:24.19 | amigaguru | freebsd is more like UNIX |
| 06:24.24 | Wildefyr | derener : well actually I just checked... my custom made executables *were* in /usr/local |
| 06:24.33 | Wildefyr | guess my path is fucked |
| 06:24.49 | jelly | amigaguru: read what the bot told you in PM, please |
| 06:25.18 | derener | i have changed opt to not be root and i install everything in opt |
| 06:25.33 | derener | i never run make install as root |
| 06:25.34 | amigaguru | jelly: you said freebsd, not kfreebsd |
| 06:26.11 | jelly | amigaguru: if you want to bootstrap debian on a different software platform, you'll want to do something similar |
| 06:26.34 | derener | sometimes make install can be buggy and destroy the os |
| 06:26.49 | derener | i never run make install as root |
| 06:26.51 | amigaguru | I just made a proposal, I did not come up with any suggestions nor solutions |
| 06:27.06 | Wildefyr | neither do I |
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| 06:29.25 | jelly | amigaguru: sorry dude, I see no actual proposal, just a plea for help on an undefined project that maybe has something to do with AmigaOS or Amiga hw. I suggest you define your idea a LOT better than that, with specifics on what you want to achieve, and on top of what precisely. |
| 06:30.03 | amigaguru | how about coding a new, open-sourced AmigaOS? |
| 06:30.34 | jelly | that's nice, but is not topical here. |
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| 06:31.01 | jelly | amigaguru: try ##amiga or #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:44.32 | darkblue_b | hi - I was here a few days ago with a beginners packaging question.. using py2dsc I was attempting to build a debian package fro mit |
| 06:45.21 | darkblue_b | .. I did complete that task .. meanwhile.. more packaging from more experienced team members has happened, too |
| 06:46.18 | darkblue_b | what I am thinking about is this.. apparently there is a web-of-trust defined by the signing of packages, and which repositories the packages go into... |
| 06:47.20 | darkblue_b | Is there something that is written somewhere, about how this operates... an overview |
| 06:47.45 | darkblue_b | ? |
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| 07:01.09 | Linnak | Hi, I'd like to instadd Debian Jessie on my girlfriend laptop. From LiveCD there is no wifi connection. From Windows I se this card? Which package should I install? Do I need to add any repo to my system? |
| 07:01.31 | Linnak | http://imgur.com/a/M4fHv |
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| 07:01.59 | jim | Linnak, what does she have now? |
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| 07:02.11 | Linnak | Win7 |
| 07:02.16 | markybob | Linnak, you probably need firmware installer http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 07:02.54 | markybob | Linnak, a lot of wifi cards just don't work without firmware |
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| 07:03.53 | jim | how much unpartitioned disk space does she have (if any)? |
| 07:04.18 | markybob | jim, what does that have to do with wifi? |
| 07:04.35 | Linnak | I have a system in vbox. Everithing is installed and set how she needs. And I will make an installable live usb from this as a snapshot. But I haven't finished with the drivers. I think just the wifi which is interestin because all the rest is integrated on the motherboard, so no nvidia or amd video |
| 07:04.36 | jim | has to do with installing :) |
| 07:05.14 | Linnak | jim Windows will go away |
| 07:05.26 | jim | ohh |
| 07:05.37 | Linnak | Too slow |
| 07:05.42 | jim | so, the entire hd |
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| 07:12.32 | jeddi | Linnak: maybe this package: firmware-realtek |
| 07:13.03 | markybob | which he can't get since he has not internet during install |
| 07:13.07 | markybob | thus firmware installer |
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| 07:13.43 | jeddi | Linnak: it's not clear what the actual chipset is - you may need to boot up and run 'lspci' to get more detail. does wired networking work? once you've got that, and the machine is running, it's much easier. if you don't, then what I've done in the past is use a better supported USB ethernet dongle (they tend to be cheap, and handy to have in your toolbox) to get a box up and running |
| 07:13.58 | jeddi | markybob: but you grab that package, and provide it on usb stick, during the install, right? |
| 07:14.28 | NahUndFern | Hey guys. I'm having some trouble getting the source of ffmpeg through apt-get. I get this output "E: Can not find version '7:2.8.4-1~bpo8+1' of package 'ffmpeg'". Is there anything i can do? |
| 07:14.29 | markybob | jeddi, you don't even know the chipset. so firmware installer and your covered. |
| 07:14.37 | markybob | you're* |
| 07:14.40 | jeddi | markybob: fairy nuff. |
| 07:15.17 | jim | also, with a netinstall (such as the one you were linked a few minutes ago) has the base of debian on the cd,,, if you leave the network unconfigured, the base will be installed from that, and you can add packages from there (assuming you have another machine to download the packages onto) |
| 07:16.04 | themill | NahUndFern: the full command and full output might help us |
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| 07:16.18 | jim | NahUndFern, what version can you find? |
| 07:16.38 | themill | NahUndFern: (please put it in a pastebin -- paste.debian.net) |
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| 07:19.34 | jim | NahUndFern, in a few cases like this, seeing your /etc/apt/sources.list could help too |
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| 07:20.00 | NahUndFern | themill: jim: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/df031bd1c69444b5bfb6/raw |
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| 07:20.24 | themill | NahUndFern: do you have a deb-src entry for jessie-backports? |
| 07:22.16 | NahUndFern | themill: Oh, i only have the deb entry... That's probably it, isn't it? That's embarrassing. |
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| 07:23.03 | NahUndFern | themill: Thank you, i will try adding a deb-src entry for backports now |
| 07:23.13 | themill | np |
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| 07:25.26 | NahUndFern | themill: It worked :) |
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| 07:53.11 | superlinux | hi. is there a way to schedule the poweroff and poweron of a computer? |
| 07:54.31 | well_laid_lawn | superlinux: you can schedule the power off but it's a bit hard to set the power on |
| 07:54.54 | well_laid_lawn | wake on lan is about all you can use afaik |
| 07:54.58 | superlinux | well_laid_lawn, poweroff I know how, through cron |
| 07:55.03 | well_laid_lawn | for the power on |
| 07:55.11 | superlinux | poweron is what matters to me more. |
| 07:55.50 | jelly | superlinux: some firmware (bios, uefi, what have you) setups have power-on timers. |
| 07:56.13 | superlinux | jelly, my computer bios has no clock for poweron |
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| 07:56.47 | well_laid_lawn | superlinux: http://superuser.com/questions/149121/is-there-a-way-to-start-a-linux-machine-automatically |
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| 07:57.49 | superlinux | well_laid_lawn, ok. I will read that |
| 07:58.00 | well_laid_lawn | it's short |
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| 07:58.20 | superlinux | I can use wake on lan from the main server |
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| 07:58.41 | superlinux | the computer I want to power on and off is just for backup |
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| 08:00.10 | jelly | superlinux: if your bios has no power-on alarm but has an "always power on after power failure", you could use some sort of power plug timer |
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| 08:01.05 | superlinux | jelly, yeah! why not! i'll use a timer. |
| 08:01.10 | superlinux | we can buy that |
| 08:01.22 | superlinux | good idea thanks. |
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| 08:02.22 | well_laid_lawn | power off the computer first tho |
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| 08:17.45 | tennix | anyone here ever used openldap, if it's compiled with gnutls as tls support, does it work with openssl certificate? |
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| 08:19.43 | jelly | tennix: what do you mean by "openssl certificate" |
| 08:19.59 | tennix | certificate generated by openssl |
| 08:20.56 | jelly | don't see why would any ssl implementation care (or know) which tool was used to generate the key and certificate pair |
| 08:21.01 | tennix | because openldap has different configurations for different tls implementations |
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| 08:22.52 | tennix | and i tried to setup an openldap server on debian, but i got `ldap_modify: Other (e.g., implementation specific) error (80)` |
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| 08:23.35 | tennix | So i doubt whether it's because the tls library openldap compiled with caused the problem |
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| 08:25.33 | lesta | tennix: http://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_8&p=openldap |
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| 08:28.00 | amigaguru | exibel |
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| 08:29.10 | jelly | tennix: I know almost nothing about slapd, but you're not showing which query or ldif in particular you tried to plug in to get that error, or why it would point to debian's paculiar choice of tls provider |
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| 08:31.44 | tennix | jelly: I'm using this https://github.com/osixia/docker-openldap and add godaddy certificates |
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| 08:33.35 | tennix | the error happened here https://github.com/osixia/docker-openldap/blob/stable/image/service/slapd/container-start.sh#L214 |
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| 08:34.37 | jelly | tennix: can you figure out the actual contents of that ldif |
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| 08:35.05 | jelly | tennix: which debian release is this? |
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| 08:35.23 | tennix | here is the ldif http://pastebin.com/xNGAQqH3 |
| 08:35.39 | tennix | it uses jessie |
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| 08:36.37 | jelly | tennix: right, so enable debugging in slapd, run that same ldif again and see what happens |
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| 08:37.48 | themill | wouldn't there normally be a second line to that error? |
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| 08:39.46 | themill | (also, openldap has all manner of weird grues hiding in corners... http://serverfault.com/questions/704822/openldap-tls-authentification ) |
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| 08:40.21 | tennix | It's ok with the self-signed certificate generated by the image's gnu-tls |
| 08:40.42 | tennix | but when i changed to godaddy's certificate, the error occurs |
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| 08:42.15 | tennix | themill: yes, i googled that post, and read it but no clues |
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| 08:44.24 | jelly | when you changed, or when you tried to change...? Can you isolate which particular change makes it barf? |
| 08:44.49 | themill | tennix: so that specific solution doesn't work? |
| 08:45.23 | tennix | themill: yes. |
| 08:46.05 | tennix | jelly: i only changed the certificate line and hostname |
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| 08:47.29 | themill | Does it want the entire certificate chain stapled together |
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| 08:50.04 | tennix | themill: i don't know, but i also tried ca_bundle.crt and gd_bundle.crt as ca certificate file, not worked either |
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| 08:52.03 | Yogo | Hey good Morning âºï¸ |
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| 08:53.46 | wincyj | hello |
| 08:53.47 | tennix | actually i nearly tried everything i can find, but no luck. So i doubt about the tls implementation. Since godaddy uses openssl while debian uses gnutls |
| 08:53.52 | Yogo | l |
| 08:53.55 | wincyj | according to:https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3446 |
| 08:54.04 | wincyj | is it possible that after that upgrade of openssh-server |
| 08:54.15 | wincyj | my ecdsa hsot key is regenerated? |
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| 08:56.55 | tennix | I'm going to try the same ldif file in other distro that uses openssl |
| 08:56.58 | jeddi | wincyj: it shouldn't have been automatically regenerated, no. |
| 08:57.17 | jeddi | wincyj: you can check : ls -lrt /etc/ssh/ssh_host* |
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| 08:57.51 | wincyj | jeddi: i have already checked |
| 08:58.04 | wincyj | its connected with last upgrade |
| 08:58.09 | jeddi | wincyj: rightio. |
| 08:58.10 | wincyj | as far as dates signts to |
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| 08:58.32 | jeddi | wincyj: what was the question again? |
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| 08:58.34 | pagios | hi all, i have a client that connects to an access point and gets dynamic ips, i dont have access to the access point to check the ip the client is getting but i would like to connect to this client (i am running linux, client is running linux) everytime it is only, is there some service like netbios that i can use to query by fqdn or something? |
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| 08:58.55 | wincyj | jeddi: if last update of openssh-server should regenerate ecdsa host key |
| 08:59.04 | wincyj | because it happened only on one server i administer |
| 08:59.05 | jeddi | wincyj: no, that shouldn't happen either. |
| 08:59.18 | wincyj | ok do you have any clues why it was regenerated during updatE? |
| 08:59.23 | jeddi | wincyj: i've seen some strange stuff happening after this recent roaming issue .. but not automatic regen of keys. |
| 08:59.37 | jeddi | pagios: nslookup? |
| 08:59.42 | wincyj | oh ok |
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| 09:00.04 | pagios | jeddi: meansi need a local dns? |
| 09:00.05 | jeddi | wincyj: but i'm a single data point, only. |
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| 09:00.46 | jeddi | pagios: ping perhaps? you suggest that fqdn may be registered somehow? |
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| 09:01.38 | pagios | jeddi: the client is a headless system, it connects to an ap and gets an ip i want a way to connect to it |
| 09:01.39 | jeddi | pagios: if you're querying by fqdn then it suggests that the client is registering somewhere / somehow to something. |
| 09:02.24 | pagios | jeddi: i am not querying by fqdn i am thinking out loud |
| 09:02.36 | jeddi | pagios: so there's probably a few convoluted ways you could do that. run a script on the client that registers to some service you own. or have it open up a service (say using netcat / nc) on a particular port (and you scan the network for that port). |
| 09:03.01 | jeddi | pagios: or run regular nmaps (just scanning for hosts presences) and compare previous to current, then try knocking on the door - guessing you're using ssh to connect? |
| 09:03.13 | jeddi | are you on a hostile network, or just not a network you manage? |
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| 09:03.37 | pagios | jeddi: mainly the client connects to the AP and i need to build a mobile app that connects to it |
| 09:03.45 | pagios | so the mobile app should do the nmap? |
| 09:03.52 | jeddi | pagios: nmap from a mobile app sounds messy. |
| 09:04.20 | jeddi | pagios: if the client is running a web server, then it's very straightforward - have a unique url that you can query to confirm if it's a client that you're interested in connecting to. |
| 09:04.21 | pagios | jeddi: oh wait i can assign a static ip to the box |
| 09:04.27 | pagios | like an internal ip |
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| 09:04.38 | pagios | and create a virtual interface |
| 09:04.46 | jeddi | pagios: if you can assign static ip's, that's ideal (given you can't control the AP's dhcp reservation list by the sounds of it) |
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| 09:05.01 | pagios | jeddi: something like 224.0.0.1 |
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| 09:05.04 | jeddi | pagios: much depends on the scale of the problem you're trying to create for yourself :) |
| 09:05.21 | jeddi | do you own 224 range? if not - stick with the rfc1918 ranges. |
| 09:05.23 | pagios | jeddi: but then i have to assign a static ip on the mobile app |
| 09:05.35 | pagios | right |
| 09:05.39 | jeddi | pagios: yes. that sounds messy. can the client register with a service? |
| 09:05.47 | jeddi | pagios: this seems the most straightforward way. |
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| 09:06.05 | pagios | you mean a service running where |
| 09:06.19 | jeddi | pagios: client registers at boot. perhaps maintains a keepalive periodically. mobile app queries service. job done. |
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| 09:06.32 | Ditak | what is the best option in debian to log all connections on a specific port to a log file |
| 09:06.38 | pagios | client registers at boot what? |
| 09:06.47 | pagios | it registers with a service running where |
| 09:07.22 | jeddi | pagios: yes - run a service somewhere. i've been using saltstack a lot lately, and that's a good example - a server runs somewhere, using 0mq, that clients connect to (via resolvable fqdn). you can then talk to the server, which is maintaining registry and last-seen information for all clients. |
| 09:07.34 | pagios | server runs locally? |
| 09:07.48 | pagios | jeddi: the thing is i want to connect the box on any network |
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| 09:07.52 | pagios | not only 1 |
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| 09:08.01 | jeddi | pagios: not sure what locally means here. it needs to be accessible by all clients and all potential mobile apps. so 'public internet' *probably*. |
| 09:08.48 | jeddi | pagios: this is a common design pattern - server sitting somewhere visible to all interested parties. clients register to it. |
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| 09:09.17 | jeddi | pagios: 'registration' may be as simple as a curl http call to something vaguely restful .. just to transfer id, ip, state, etc. |
| 09:09.25 | Jsync | is there anybody whom can help me get my sound working? |
| 09:09.41 | jeddi | pagios: then you pick that up via http logs (say) ... or something more sophisticated ... on the server. |
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| 09:10.10 | pagios | jeddi: so mainly headless connects to a network, it registers with a server running in cloud |
| 09:10.30 | pagios | and sends its local ip address, mobile app connects to cloud, fetches the ip and connects to it? |
| 09:10.46 | jeddi | pagios: i *really* hate the word 'cloud' ... but let's say yes. clients are spun up, and one of the last things in their boot process is to register with a server. |
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| 09:11.00 | siery | Hey! How to change the directory where my devices are booting? I don't want them to boot at media and since i install cinnamon graphical desktop it does without any question :/ |
| 09:11.09 | pagios | jeddi: problem is i cant connect unless mobile app and headless are both connected to the inernet |
| 09:11.33 | jeddi | pagios: when you say 'i can't connect' - do you mean your mobile app can't connect, or the clients can't, or you can't connect to the clients without internet? |
| 09:11.44 | Jsync | I guess not? |
| 09:11.58 | Jsync | any sound experts in the chat right now? |
| 09:12.02 | jeddi | pagios: note it doesn't *need* to be The Internet - it merely needs to be a service that's visible to both clients and mobile app. This may well be within your private network (if you're using wifi from the mobile appliance, say) |
| 09:12.22 | jeddi | Jsync: fixing audio problems is never fun. good luck. |
| 09:12.34 | pagios | jeddi: makes sense but noting that the mobile app and headless need to connect to any AP it must be on internet |
| 09:13.02 | Jsync | thanks anyway |
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| 09:13.14 | jeddi | pagios: point being network connection must be present between mobile and headless clients. this is a requisite, agreed? if that's the case, then whatever network they are both on, put the registration server on there. |
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| 09:14.20 | jeddi | the service *may* be the mobile app ... but the mobile app is on a device that presumably changes IPs regularly. and isn't on a dynamic DNS. hence I didn't suggest that. |
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| 09:15.11 | jeddi | pagios: a Network, by definition, is any connection(s) of computers where any single computer knows how to talk to any other computer *on that network*. As I say, doesn't necessarily mean "Internet" ... it may be your private network. But if you can talk to both mobile's IP and client's IP ... then whatever network that's on, put the service on there. |
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| 09:18.27 | pagios | jeddi: it would be nice to create a vpn server from headless to a server on the internet with public ip |
| 09:18.41 | pagios | so client can connect to headless from any network even if not on the same |
| 09:18.47 | jeddi | pagios: holymoly ... well, now you have two problems. |
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| 09:19.06 | jeddi | what kind of data are you intending to transfer between client and server // or // client and mobile app |
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| 09:19.42 | pagios | xml stuff, cheap |
| 09:19.55 | jeddi | pagios: i have to depart - but i'd suggest checking out the way saltstack does it - it's pretty neat, written in python, free software, etc .. there's doubtless other examples of this kind of approach to tracking clients with unknowable (until they register) addresses. |
| 09:20.28 | jeddi | pagios: basically this is a solved problem (happily :) ... so leverage other people's work on this front. |
| 09:20.29 | pagios | jeddi: thanks for the conversation :) |
| 09:20.34 | jeddi | pagios: good luck! |
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| 09:21.23 | pagios | http://saltstack.com/ |
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| 09:21.40 | guardian | hello, I'm running wheezy and fail2ban 0.8.6 |
| 09:21.48 | guardian | when issuing: fail2ban-client get ssh-ddos actionunban iptables |
| 09:21.52 | guardian | I get no output and a 255 exit code |
| 09:21.58 | guardian | in the log there's: WARNING Invalid command: ['get', 'ssh-ddos', 'actionunban', 'iptables'] |
| 09:22.02 | guardian | how can I troubleshoot? |
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| 09:29.03 | shingouz | guardian: from what the thing spat out into the log, i would presume your command was not correct. i do not run fail2ban on any of my systems, so i cannot check it. see if man has anything interesting to say about it |
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| 09:30.44 | DoctorD90 | hello guys! :D i have a little "issue" or misunderstanding. Im reading about repos. I have maybe understood: security.debian.org jessie/updates is security updates, and jessie-updates is "Volatile". But volatile has been discontinued by Lenny. So may I leave only the first one? or i have misunderstood? |
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| 09:32.11 | nkuttler | !tell DoctorD90 about stable-updates |
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| 09:32.50 | DoctorD90 | thx! |
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| 09:33.55 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler, so jessie-updates are some "stable" updates of programs. Instead jessie/udates are security, rigth? |
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| 09:47.22 | wincyj | jeddi: turned out some other admin deleted ecdsa key |
| 09:47.42 | wincyj | so it had been regenerated once upgrade occured |
| 09:47.43 | wincyj | :) |
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| 09:53.45 | pagios | anyone using saltstack? |
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| 09:55.26 | bezaban | pagios: a few. There's also #salt here |
| 09:55.36 | wincyj | pagios: me |
| 09:55.42 | pagios | any feedback? |
| 09:55.46 | pagios | i am checking it now.. |
| 09:55.46 | wincyj | about what? |
| 09:55.59 | pagios | is it good? flexible? good enough to integrate in my project? pro/cons? |
| 09:56.10 | wincyj | idk if it will fit well to your project: ) |
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| 09:56.16 | wincyj | but it is flex |
| 09:56.19 | wincyj | and worth to try |
| 09:56.38 | bezaban | abstractions take a little to wrap your head around and industry often wants chef/puppet |
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| 09:56.49 | pagios | wincyj: i mainly need to send some data periodically from my headless computer to the cloud |
| 09:57.00 | pagios | should i do python work? |
| 09:57.00 | wincyj | pagios: so use cron and rsync? |
| 09:57.01 | siery | i have problem updating the system, It says: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. |
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| 10:01.49 | bezaban | siery: often that is an issue in sources.list entries. Make sure you are not specifying https:// there, and/or comment out entries to locate which one might be problematic |
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| 10:03.40 | lowin | How come debian doesn't install plymouth by default? all the cool distros are doing it |
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| 10:05.50 | neckutrek | I'm developping software for ubuntu, would you not recommend me running Debian for this reason? |
| 10:05.52 | wincyj | lowin: cuz debian is not desktop distro out of the box? |
| 10:06.17 | lowin | neither is centos ;) |
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| 10:43.48 | clockshell | hello there dear fellas |
| 10:44.08 | clockshell | might one of you be willing to help me out here for a second? |
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| 10:45.06 | clockshell | i am experiencing severe speed problems with any apt-get arguments whereas no other programm seems to be affected from the lack of speed |
| 10:45.41 | clockshell | i have tried to switch servers (several times with netselect-apt) but i did not make good use |
| 10:46.08 | clockshell | i browsed the forum so far but did not found any answer |
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| 10:46.38 | powered | have you looked at your system load while running the command? |
| 10:47.05 | at0m | clockshell: got any proxy set up, like Acquire::http::Proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
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| 10:48.34 | clockshell | powered: comment? |
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| 10:48.45 | clockshell | at0m: i do not have any file named like this? |
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| 10:49.01 | clockshell | although i do have apt.conf.d/* |
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| 10:49.31 | powered | is it consuming 100% CPU, is it I/O bound, is it network etc |
| 10:50.05 | clockshell | nothing at all, its only effect is that it is going horribly slow |
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| 10:52.21 | clockshell | i have ~20kbps speed |
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| 10:52.58 | at0m | clockshell: right, options can be in either /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/$files |
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| 10:53.54 | clockshell | 00aptitude 00trustcdrom 01autoremove-kernels 20packagekit 99synaptic |
| 10:53.54 | clockshell | 00CDMountPoint 01autoremove 20listchanges 70debconf |
| 10:54.04 | clockshell | those are my apt.conf.d-files |
| 10:54.34 | clockshell | http://pastebin.com/h6njwC6P this is my current sources.list btw |
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| 11:00.17 | clockshell | ...you guys need any further specifications? |
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| 11:00.40 | clockshell | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:00.43 | bazhang | which mirrors are slow |
| 11:00.43 | clockshell | my kernel |
| 11:01.03 | clockshell | all i tried. |
| 11:01.14 | clockshell | i tried the recommendet for my country (AT) |
| 11:01.16 | bazhang | which ones |
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| 11:01.27 | clockshell | i tried the german ones |
| 11:01.44 | clockshell | i tried two different tested servers which i got from netselect-apt |
| 11:02.02 | clockshell | atm it's deb ftp://debian.inode.at/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 11:02.09 | clockshell | also tried the stable servers |
| 11:02.16 | clockshell | no difference |
| 11:02.26 | bazhang | what are you on |
| 11:02.59 | clockshell | how do you mean? |
| 11:03.10 | bazhang | wheezy or whatever |
| 11:03.41 | clockshell | i am running stable (jessie) atm... but wanna change to testing (stretch) |
| 11:03.53 | clockshell | but that is not the issue |
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| 11:04.10 | bazhang | what about general net speed |
| 11:05.10 | clockshell | 17.24mbps dl / 6.44mpbs ul |
| 11:05.22 | clockshell | http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5006959260 |
| 11:05.54 | bazhang | so it's the mirrors, and how are you switching from jessie to testing |
| 11:06.01 | wincyj | change the mirrors |
| 11:06.04 | clockshell | ... |
| 11:06.05 | wincyj | and check if it helped |
| 11:06.10 | themill | On what basis are you saying that the mirror is slow? |
| 11:06.14 | clockshell | i did that 5 times now |
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| 11:06.38 | bazhang | perhaps show us the sources.list for this jessie install |
| 11:06.40 | themill | (note also that lots of ISPs are known to prioritise traffic from speedtest.net to get better results...) |
| 11:06.43 | wincyj | themill: im not saying its mirrors im saying to check if it helps since its fast way |
| 11:06.46 | clockshell | i have a dl-speed between 5bps and 40kbps max |
| 11:07.01 | jim | I get NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A from apt-get update... is there a package with that key? |
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| 11:07.07 | themill | clockshell: how are you measuring that? |
| 11:07.19 | clockshell | apt-get output??? |
| 11:07.25 | themill | when doing what? |
| 11:07.33 | clockshell | atm apt-get upgrade |
| 11:07.36 | clockshell | same for install |
| 11:07.39 | bazhang | there's a gpg error command iirc jim |
| 11:07.39 | clockshell | same for update |
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| 11:08.25 | themill | jim: see mozilla.debian.net |
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| 11:08.30 | clockshell | this is my current sources.list http://pastebin.com/h6njwC6P |
| 11:08.33 | jim | ok |
| 11:08.37 | bazhang | could we see a paste of those, and the sources.list |
| 11:08.51 | bazhang | and the apt-get's |
| 11:09.00 | jim | me? |
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| 11:09.07 | bazhang | clock |
| 11:09.10 | clockshell | 3% [27 libxt6 182 kB/188 kB 97%] 5.209 B/s 12 h 7 min 10 s |
| 11:09.18 | jim | oh ok |
| 11:09.34 | themill | clockshell: have you tried an http mirror rather than ftp? |
| 11:09.41 | bazhang | clockshell, a pastebin of the whole thing |
| 11:10.02 | clockshell | this is my current sources.list http://pastebin.com/h6njwC6P |
| 11:10.10 | bazhang | yes |
| 11:10.20 | clockshell | also tried http before |
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| 11:12.28 | elios | hi, it seems my keyboard configuration has cahnged since i last updated sid but only on tty not on X luckily. Any ideas ? |
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| 11:14.37 | clockshell | bazhang: are you still up on the issue? |
| 11:15.09 | bazhang | clockshell, got the full output of the apt-get 's pastebinned yet? |
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| 11:15.38 | clockshell | oh sorry |
| 11:16.23 | themill | clockshell: it seems highly improbable that every mirror you try is slow, but I'm not sure what else to suggest |
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| 11:16.37 | Yogo | whois gone |
| 11:17.29 | clockshell | bazhang, themill http://pastebin.com/ecz0yCPZ |
| 11:17.38 | clockshell | yes it is very improbable |
| 11:18.05 | clockshell | so i think it is actually no server problem |
| 11:19.14 | clockshell | maybe it will be fixed after a full upgrade :/ |
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| 11:21.01 | tinyhippo | 8/21 |
| 11:21.03 | guardian | shingouz: man doesn't help in that case :) |
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| 11:23.44 | jim | themill, the error went away after I installed pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring and reran the update |
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| 11:24.13 | themill | yes |
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| 11:26.07 | elios | anyone has an idea why my keyboard configuration is different on tty but not when im on my windowmanager ? |
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| 11:28.06 | elios | if you don't understand the question pls ask. |
| 11:28.17 | jim | elios, did you do something to make it different (or, not different)? |
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| 11:29.00 | elios | jim: no, just updated yesterday. i didn't change a thing. |
| 11:29.46 | jim | so when your keyboard became different, this was unexpected? |
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| 11:31.25 | jim | (note, that if you have any reason to think a question you might ask wouldn't be understood completely, it's good to add informative material) |
| 11:31.31 | elios | jim: when you type in your root password over and over again but caps is not on, what do you think went wrong ? |
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| 11:32.55 | jim | elios, this is your show :) if your root password isn't accepted, that information would probably be a part of "informative material" |
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| 11:34.43 | elios | jim: my root password is different than the userpassword so i was just lucky to log in at all. |
| 11:35.00 | ghormoon | hi, any idea, why if I zip with -e (encrypt), then unzip asks for password, but ark (gui tool from kde) doesn't and actually unpacks it? |
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| 11:36.27 | elios | jim: but this phenomena doesn't seem to occour on my wm |
| 11:36.51 | elios | phenomenon* |
| 11:37.08 | jim | so... you could log in while in X, but not in a VT? |
| 11:37.28 | elios | jim: exactly |
| 11:37.48 | jim | hmm |
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| 11:38.57 | jim | could you recite the alphabet with your keyboard in vt, and again in x, is that different? |
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| 11:40.23 | jim | (might be nice to know what's different |
| 11:40.27 | elios | jim: when i hold shift and press 123 it now is !@# |
| 11:40.28 | jim | ) |
| 11:40.59 | jim | so it would seem the shift key is "being held down" |
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| 11:41.26 | jim | what if you hold shift? does that change it? |
| 11:41.29 | elios | are you trolling right now ? |
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| 11:42.32 | jim | let's see. my expected response would be enough info to see what the problem might be... so by the definition of "troll"... |
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| 11:42.52 | elios | if you want to help tell me how to check my keyboard config. |
| 11:43.27 | jim | I want to see what your keyboard is actually doing |
| 11:44.16 | elios | the language settings on my virtual terminal is different than the one on my x window system it seems |
| 11:44.38 | elios | nothing more to tell |
| 11:45.45 | jim | that could have influence... and, I'm right now mostly curious about the effect of your shift key, and also why your keyboard is actimg like shift is pressed |
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| 11:46.49 | elios | jim: it apparently does nothing, who would have thought. |
| 11:47.08 | jim | yeah I was kinda expecting that too |
| 11:47.25 | at0m | is it just shift or qwerty/azerty mix up? |
| 11:48.10 | Menwe | at0m: it's most likely not azerty otherwise it wouldn't be !@# |
| 11:48.12 | jim | so, just to be clear, when are in the vt, and you hold shift while you press 123, do you get !@#? |
| 11:49.09 | elios | at0m: nothing to do with the shift key |
| 11:50.09 | elios | jim: no, a genie appears. |
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| 11:51.01 | jim | whis me a milllion! |
| 11:51.15 | jim | that's amazing! |
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| 11:53.59 | jim | if you want to diagnose the problem yourself (I guess that's what your hostility indicates), I'm not going to stop you from doing so... you should remember that you are the one with this issue, and none here can see your keyboard or screen, so we cannot perform tests directly. maybe it's best you submit your test results in a bug report. |
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| 11:56.48 | themill | elios: do you have some desktop-environment specific keyboard config? Have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and then logging out and back in both places? (also, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net would be a better place to ask) |
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| 11:59.10 | elios | themill: i have no DE, but the configuration was the same. |
| 11:59.46 | pingfloyd | elios: since you config is "perfect" the problem is in your head |
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| 11:59.57 | themill | elios: how are configuring X and tty? |
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| 12:01.12 | elios | themill: i never had to |
| 12:01.36 | elios | very funny pingfloyd. NOT |
| 12:01.39 | pingfloyd | there is no issue, it's all been ruled out by non-troubleshooting |
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| 12:02.14 | elios | alright, fuck you guys. |
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| 12:02.24 | themill | elios: I'm failing to understand what appear to be contradictory statements |
| 12:02.28 | han-solo | very classic |
| 12:02.29 | themill | meh |
| 12:02.54 | jim | was any of that my fault?? |
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| 12:04.04 | pingfloyd | jim: no |
| 12:04.19 | pingfloyd | jim: I got a chuckle at your responses though |
| 12:05.10 | jim | it's hard to notice when the questioner's energy is doing that over irc |
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| 12:06.59 | pingfloyd | jim: I think you were supposed to fix the issue by psychic powers |
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| 12:10.55 | aliasd | <elios> wasn't expecting SHIFT+123 to produce !@#, was used to a different layout |
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| 12:17.58 | pingfloyd | aliasd: I guess it's hard to fix an issues when you don't expect things to work right |
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| 12:29.05 | tennix | Does jessie's openldap works with openssl? |
| 12:30.32 | tennix | https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup#Configuring_LDAPS this doc says squeeze works with openssl but not mentioned jessie |
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| 12:31.23 | tennix | and it points at first that it needs to be updated to the latest debian |
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| 12:34.59 | _abc_ | Hello. I need to compile a source package on wheezy on amd64. I need 'apt-get install libhid-dev' ; result: E: Unable to locate package libhid-dev |
| 12:35.17 | _abc_ | Can someone please point me right? Normal package system installation works, sources are okay, etc etc |
| 12:36.39 | tennix | apt-cache search libhid-dev |
| 12:36.44 | allizom | _abc_: could that be libhidapi-dev instead? just guessing |
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| 12:37.13 | Lope | I've got a Displayport>2HDMI adapter. I've got 2x1920x1200 LVDS screens connected to 2 LVDS driver boards that have been programmed incorrectly. They don't report the full 1920x1200 res for each screen, they report much lower resolutions. If I force the resolution output, I can display whatever resolution I want. Unfortunately though, something is wrong with the settings generated by CVT, when I use these settings, the image on my 2 screens is grainy, there a |
| 12:37.14 | Lope | re artifacts and the pixels wiggle. What could be wrong? `cvt 3840 1200 60` produces xrandr --newmode "3840x1200_60.00" 386.75 3840 4104 4512 5184 1200 1203 1213 1245 -hsync +vsync ... I've tried +hsync, it helps a little bit only. |
| 12:37.21 | _abc_ | docs say no libhid in wheezy! |
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| 12:38.23 | _abc_ | http://libhid.alioth.debian.org/ daf** |
| 12:38.37 | _abc_ | Okay so it should be in since sarge, but is NOT in wheezy? |
| 12:38.39 | _abc_ | HUH |
| 12:39.07 | jelly | _abc_: what does "apt-cache search libhid" say on your system |
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| 12:39.31 | _abc_ | nothing, return code is 0 |
| 12:40.04 | _abc_ | I'm going to put in the source and compile it, no problem. Just to clarify there is no real package for that in wheezy? |
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| 12:40.25 | _abc_ | I can revert to the debian version later, will fix this fire 1st |
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| 12:41.50 | _abc_ | https://alioth.debian.org/frs/?group_id=30451 2007? scary. The package I'm trying to build specifically requires libhid. |
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| 12:42.56 | Iridos | there's libhidapi-dev and libhidrd0-dev in jessie |
| 12:43.05 | Iridos | judd, versions libhid |
| 12:43.06 | judd | No package named 'libhid' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:43.14 | jelly | _abc_: packages.debian.org/src:libhid shows nothing available in Debian |
| 12:43.32 | Iridos | maybe you're chasing a ghost |
| 12:43.57 | jelly | _abc_: the packages Iridos points out come from a source package named "hidapi" not "libhid" |
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| 12:44.27 | Iridos | and the link you pointed to https://alioth.debian.org/frs/?group_id=30451 leads to a password-protected download |
| 12:44.50 | jelly | let's see |
| 12:45.07 | jelly | judd: bug rm hidapi |
| 12:45.10 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
| 12:45.20 | jelly | judd: bug rm libhid |
| 12:45.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/496665 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: libhid -- RoQA; RC buggy, orphaned»; severity: normal; opened: 2008-08-26; last modified: 2010-06-28. |
| 12:45.33 | jelly | and there we go, removed a long time ago |
| 12:45.44 | skylite | I would like to copy the acl of a directory and set all its permissions to another directory and all subdirectories. How can I do this? this is what I tried but no luck> getfacl test1 | find test2/ -type d -exec setfacl --set-file=- {} \; ; |
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| 12:46.05 | Iridos | _abc_, what program is that and what exactly pointed you to that package? |
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| 12:47.15 | jelly | skylite: I'd look at the -R (--recursive) option of getfacl and setfacl, probably |
| 12:47.16 | Iridos | jelly, what I don't understand... it was remove 2010... so it should have existed... and... shouldn't judd show squeeze-lts? |
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| 12:47.39 | skylite | jelly that works on everything but I only want to affect directories not files |
| 12:47.47 | jelly | Iridos: dunno, when was squeeze released? |
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| 12:49.02 | jelly | skylite: put your "getfacl $name | setfacl --set-file=-" into a script, then do a find ... -type d -exec yourscript \; ? |
| 12:49.13 | _abc_ | hmm I was out for a minute. |
| 12:49.15 | Lope | How can I construct one of these strings from an EDID mode offered by my monitor? (looks like this "3840x1200_60.00" 386.75 3840 4104 4512 5184 1200 1203 1213 1245 -hsync +vsync) I want to take the string from my monitor's EDID spec, I don't want to generate it from `cvt`. Anyone know how? (xrandr --verbose produces a lot of output but I'm not sure about what goes where, and if it includes all the details I need) |
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| 12:49.32 | skylite | jelly great idea thx |
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| 12:50.05 | themill | Iridos: judd does show squeeze-security-lts packages |
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| 12:50.17 | asasmita | hi, guys :). I have a question. Is there an online version of /usr/share/doc/"packagename"/changelog.Debian.gz ? thx before :) |
| 12:50.20 | han-solo | Any of you guys in java? |
| 12:50.24 | han-solo | #java? |
| 12:50.42 | themill | asasmita: yes, tracker.debian.org |
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| 12:50.52 | asasmita | themil: thx :) |
| 12:50.58 | _abc_ | What does provide include/usb.h in wheezy? apt-cache search usb.h suggested libusbhid-common which I did get and install. The file is not on the system, checked also with locate after updatedb |
| 12:51.01 | asasmita | themil++ |
| 12:51.38 | superlinux | hi. how can I allow a normal user to use the poweroff command? |
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| 12:51.49 | Lope | basically I want a similar string to what `cvt 1920 1200 60` produces, but I want to get the manufacturer recommended timing from my monitor's EDID. `xrandr --verbose` gives a lot of info but it's not in that format. |
| 12:51.50 | themill | _abc_: apt-file is for searching for files, not apt-cache which is only really going to search the package descriptions for you |
| 12:52.08 | _abc_ | I am looking now. Would help if someone ran into this before, okay? Thanks |
| 12:53.13 | gr4ck | hi, i tried to install texlive-full ---> my disk is full, so i trie manuall deinstall texlive ( yeah i think thats was a bad idea), how can i enforce to deinstall ignorring errors... |
| 12:53.29 | asasmita | themil: another question :), where can I get the urgency status? thx :) |
| 12:54.16 | themill | asasmita: from the changelog or the .changes file |
| 12:55.02 | han-solo | vim had colors in ubuntu. Now it doesn't :/ |
| 12:55.33 | themill | han-solo: install a bigger vim package and run it as vim |
| 12:55.44 | han-solo | how? |
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| 12:57.13 | Iridos | oh... squeeze was released 2011... so it was probably removed during the freeze |
| 12:57.16 | themill | han-solo: install the "vim" package. |
| 12:57.20 | themill | dpkg: tell han-solo about vim syntax highlighting |
| 12:57.31 | han-solo | i did |
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| 12:57.44 | han-solo | brb |
| 12:57.48 | han-solo | and thanks |
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| 12:59.32 | iio7 | I connect a USB device and it gets registered http://pastebin.com/YW0cp1km, but nothing shows up in /dev/sd* |
| 13:00.00 | iio7 | which it should, it's a normal hard drive. |
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| 13:01.26 | asasmita | themil: is there any way to download the changelog for all packages? |
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| 13:01.47 | ws2k3 | Hello, i'm running an older version of ubuntu and i need to change my ssh port. but when i run service ssh restart it says unknown instandse i already looked it up and its a known bug in my version, now since i dont wanne be locked out of my lmachine maby its an idea to install telnetd? |
| 13:03.10 | netengio | ws2k3: does /etc/init.d/sshd restart work? |
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| 13:03.29 | themill | asasmita: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:03.58 | ws2k3 | netengio is that safe to try? cause i absolutely dont wanne be locked out |
| 13:04.21 | asasmita | themil: im creating an internal website to check for new packages on my servers. |
| 13:04.54 | themill | "new packages"? |
| 13:05.18 | asasmita | themil: I meant new updates :) |
| 13:05.27 | asasmita | for installed packages |
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| 13:05.45 | Rico | hi |
| 13:06.16 | themill | asasmita: So something more than the output of "aptitude search ~U" or "apt list --upgradable"? |
| 13:06.57 | netengio | ws2k3: that is just another way to restart the service. |
| 13:07.03 | themill | asasmita: you might like to look at cron-apt; it will work out what the upgrades are, download the packages and then you could have it run apt-listchanges on the .deb files for you. |
| 13:07.10 | netengio | ws2k3: do you know what is "broken" in your version causing issues? |
| 13:07.20 | ws2k3 | netengio yes i know but i think i prefer to make something like telnet first to be 100 % sure this cant go wrong |
| 13:08.00 | netengio | ws2k3: that is your option. I would advise to restrict access to a specific host/IP if possible, and to change your password after your testing is completed. |
| 13:08.51 | netengio | ws2k3: you will need to look at xinetd and telnetd packages in the repository |
| 13:09.28 | asasmita | themil: thx that is a good idea :). Because I need parse the changelog. |
| 13:09.38 | themill | asasmita: why? |
| 13:10.14 | asasmita | themil: want to show a table of "current version", "new version" "urgency" "link to changelog" |
| 13:10.31 | themill | I don't think the urgency value is worth tabulating. |
| 13:10.52 | asasmita | really? because I want to sort for urgency for packages |
| 13:11.35 | themill | It's only ever going to be "high". |
| 13:12.11 | asasmita | themil: ah ok, I didn't know that, I thought there is "medium" |
| 13:12.37 | themill | not for security updates for a stable release |
| 13:12.56 | asasmita | themil: thx for the info :) |
| 13:13.18 | themill | At point release time you'll get a couple of packages at lower priority (like base-files at low) but meh |
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| 13:14.03 | asasmita | themil: yeah, not that important. not worth the effort I think haha. |
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| 13:16.46 | Rico | I have a problem with rancid, clogin works, rancid -d -t cisco <cisco router> works, but rancid-run does not work as expected (just writing start date / end date in logfile) |
| 13:16.48 | _abc_ | Okay, problems solved, had to build libusbhid by hand but installed working on wheezy. |
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| 13:17.01 | Rico | any idea how to debug that ? |
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| 13:19.18 | jelly | ws2k3: first, if you're running ubuntu you want to ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server. The answers we give here imply debian and may be suboptimal for a derivative distro, especially when that distro may be using a different init system |
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| 13:27.01 | allizom | what is the support status of the deb-multimedia.org repository on this channel? do you recommend (against) it? why? |
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| 13:28.31 | themill | deb-multimedia has little use and has many poor quality packages |
| 13:29.35 | nkuttler | !tell allizom about dmm |
| 13:29.58 | jelly | allizom: by now there's very little reason to use it, but things have been different in the past. |
| 13:30.18 | allizom | thanks for the factoid |
| 13:30.37 | allizom | why do you say there's very little reason? |
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| 13:31.14 | themill | allizom: because it doesn't contain useful packages |
| 13:31.18 | jelly | allizom: most of the software that used to be available from there and actually useful now has useful builds in debian proper |
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| 13:32.01 | teraflops | allizom: I do not see /any/ actually |
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| 13:32.26 | themill | acroread if you need some particular pdf form features that nothing else supports |
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| 13:32.38 | han-solo | vim is already in the newest version |
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| 13:33.24 | allizom | I see. I'd like to use some packages not available in debian repos, there are some (example avidemux subtitleripper) |
| 13:33.54 | allizom | but I was not sure about whether to use this repo |
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| 13:34.08 | han-solo | themil: but emacs have colors in it |
| 13:34.49 | themill | allizom: it's known to cause many more problems than it solves |
| 13:34.55 | themill | han-solo: did you read the rest of what dpkg said? |
| 13:35.24 | han-solo | sorry. I'd to go get my grandma |
| 13:35.38 | han-solo | can i see the logs somehow? |
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| 13:35.57 | han-solo | "/logs"? like |
| 13:36.12 | allizom | thanks to all of you, I'm convinced |
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| 13:36.43 | jim | han-solo many logs are located in /var/log, which requires root to read |
| 13:36.51 | themill | jim: no. |
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| 13:37.21 | jim | let me look at mine |
| 13:37.32 | themill | han-solo: your client is still connected so you may well have dpkg's message there still. /msg dpkg vim syntax highlighting |
| 13:37.59 | han-solo | okay thanks |
| 13:38.34 | jim | hmm, why did I assume that... maybe I saw another user's perms on that dir |
| 13:38.47 | jim | it's 755 |
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| 13:39.33 | han-solo | nothing! |
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| 13:39.57 | han-solo | i'm in irssi and i'm not getting a output from commands |
| 13:41.41 | jim | allizom, it's likely that binaries compiled for a different dist will not work in debian (as they may be linked to libs that are not the same as they would be if installed on a debian machine |
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| 13:44.38 | han-solo | themil: Thanks |
| 13:44.46 | pingfloyd | jim: I believe you can add the user to the adm group |
| 13:45.07 | jim | oh, then they can see logs? |
| 13:45.18 | pingfloyd | jim: yeah |
| 13:45.30 | pingfloyd | most of them |
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| 13:45.53 | themill | (still not actually relevant) |
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| 13:46.54 | jim | I see that those files which are not o+r, are owned by group adm |
| 13:47.04 | pingfloyd | jim: yep |
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| 13:47.15 | pingfloyd | jim: it actually a nice default setup |
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| 13:49.13 | jim | the dir /var/log/speech-dispatcher, owned by speech-dispatcher:root, is perms 700 |
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| 13:50.51 | pingfloyd | jim: they're probably worried about sensitive info ending up there |
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| 13:51.55 | han-solo | themill: i edited the vimrc. Thanks |
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| 13:52.19 | jim | pingfloyd, yeah, either they don't trust adm group members, or they're not aware of the adm group |
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| 14:38.36 | careta | anyone has an idea why my iptables is showing the source address as localhost/8 instead of 10.0.0.0/8 as I have in my rule? |
| 14:41.50 | nyuszika7h | careta: iptables -L -n |
| 14:42.13 | nyuszika7h | maybe 10.0.0.0 resolves to localhost |
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| 14:42.37 | careta | nyuszika7h, yup it shows the IP addresses correctly |
| 14:42.45 | careta | is that a problem? |
| 14:43.12 | nyuszika7h | it shouldn't cause a problem if it shows the correct IP with -n |
| 14:43.19 | slax0r | do you have a localhost 10.something line in the /etc/hosts? |
| 14:43.34 | careta | cool, thanks |
| 14:43.40 | careta | slax0r, no I don't |
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| 14:49.40 | han-solo | hey guys |
| 14:49.48 | han-solo | check out the pygoogle |
| 14:49.52 | han-solo | very cool :) |
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| 14:54.21 | cyan__ | they silently closed down google api couple years ago. |
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| 14:56.31 | cyan__ | there was google soap api in 2005/2006 but google then closed it silently. so pygoogle is dead now, like some my apps. i suppose that big corporations can only use google to search and it is not for a "normal developer" or "passionate". If you want to call google anyway, use curl. |
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| 15:02.48 | Lope | cvt and gtf are producing ModeLines that are incompatible with my display. Can anyone interpret these numbers and tell me how the xrandr --verbose info would be expressed if it was a modeline? http://codepad.org/J2X1HBsx |
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| 15:15.00 | roger_roger | jim - just got around to trying this (football yesterday) - i downloaded the iso and then mounted it using loop mount and it worked like charm - thanks |
| 15:15.47 | jim | roger_roger, welcome; glad it worked out |
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| 15:17.35 | ws2k3 | Hello, i have made an nfs server in my debian, but when my client mounts it its not writeable while i am sure i put ,rw in the /ect/exports |
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| 15:20.24 | jim | How can I tell whether I'm (right now) running xchat or xchat2? |
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| 15:21.27 | KellerFuchs | jim: You are running xchat 2.8.8 Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae [i686/2.40GHz/SMP] |
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| 15:21.56 | jim | so that's xchat2? |
| 15:22.01 | KellerFuchs | Should be |
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| 15:22.16 | KellerFuchs | apt-cache policy xchat would also give you the (Debian) version number for the package |
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| 15:22.29 | jim | and the config dir should be .config/xchat2? |
| 15:22.44 | KellerFuchs | No idea, I don't use xchat |
| 15:23.01 | jim | oh, ok, thanks for the info |
| 15:23.10 | dontknow | jim, yes |
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| 15:23.43 | dontknow | you can go with hexchat, newer version of xchat |
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| 15:24.31 | jim | that's what I want to do, and I'm going to follow a howto which shows how to move my configs across |
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| 15:25.37 | jim | I'll link the howto if there's interest |
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| 15:25.53 | dontknow | .config/hexchat is where configurations held |
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| 15:26.47 | dontknow | could someone add firejail to jessie backports |
| 15:26.47 | jim | yeah... they say the first step is to copy ~/.xchat2 to that location |
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| 15:27.30 | jim | dontknow, were you able to make such a backport? |
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| 15:27.48 | dontknow | jim, yes |
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| 15:28.20 | jim | was it just a straightforward package build without altering any of its files? |
| 15:28.20 | dontknow | but it would be better in backports |
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| 15:28.54 | dontknow | jim, it doesnt reqire any dependency |
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| 15:29.17 | jim | even build dep? |
| 15:29.36 | dontknow | yes |
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| 15:29.57 | jim | maybe it needs debhelper :) |
| 15:30.31 | jim | (and if so, you could mention that in the control file) |
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| 15:30.35 | dontknow | you need to install build-essential and devscript of course |
| 15:30.54 | jim | then those should be mentioned in the control file |
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| 15:31.26 | jim | so that apt-get build-dep whateverthatis will install those |
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| 15:32.00 | jelly | ,v firejail |
| 15:32.01 | judd | Package: firejail on amd64 -- sid: 0.9.36-1; stretch: 0.9.36-1 |
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| 15:32.33 | jelly | dontknow: the right place to ask is the backports mailing list, I guess |
| 15:32.34 | jim | anyway I'll be back |
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| 15:32.46 | dontknow | jim, Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), autotools-dev |
| 15:34.03 | dontknow | jelly, i think so. i don't like giving my email |
| 15:34.13 | jim | you should add the packages you mentioned earlier, if they're needed for the build |
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| 15:35.02 | jim | as well as build-essential (if c/c++/binary linkage is needed) |
| 15:35.36 | jim | anyway, glad the backport worked so smoothly |
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| 15:36.24 | dontknow | jelly, but it wouldn't be problem installing directly from testing or sid because it doesn't require library dep. right |
| 15:37.24 | jelly | dontknow: right, however "installing" is a different goal from "works" |
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| 15:44.04 | jelly | jim: build-essential shouldn't be put into Build-Depends, installing it is a part of the build procedure |
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| 15:46.01 | ballmer | Debian Inside https://twitter.com/astrorobonaut |
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| 15:48.30 | jelly | jim: notice how zero source package build-dep on it. |
| 15:49.39 | roger_roger | i have a fresh install of jessie and running apt-get install c++ - it spazzes out with: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages |
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| 15:50.08 | jelly | roger_roger: you want g++, not c++ |
| 15:50.29 | roger_roger | ok |
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| 15:51.43 | jelly | roger_roger: since package c++ does not exist, apt tries to parse the paramerer as a regular expression instead, and tries to install lots of stuff that matches, resulting in quite a bit more output but also the one line you chose to paste |
| 15:52.43 | roger_roger | makes sense |
| 15:54.02 | jelly | it you say so :-) I thought it was weird behaviour to first do exact match and only conditionally do regex match |
| 15:54.13 | roger_roger | lol |
| 15:54.35 | jelly | it makes people come in here and ask about it :-) |
| 15:54.42 | roger_roger | your explanation makes sense, not the behavior |
| 15:54.59 | jelly | roger that |
| 15:55.07 | roger_roger | jelly that |
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| 15:58.04 | spaceone | https://bpaste.net/show/e593c98bd6cd â any idea on what is going wrong here? (why is openssl version detected as "0.0", libssl-dev is installed) |
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| 15:58.42 | jelly | spaceone: which debian release is that |
| 15:59.26 | jelly | spaceone: also, what are you trying to build |
| 15:59.30 | spaceone | jelly: Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l |
| 15:59.39 | spaceone | trying to build iTalc |
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| 16:01.19 | jelly | ,i italc-master |
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| 16:01.20 | judd | Package italc-master (x11, optional) in jessie/amd64: intelligent Teaching And Learning with Computers - master. Version: 1:2.0.2+dfsg1-2+b1; Size: 636.5k; Installed: 948k; Homepage: http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/italc-master |
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| 16:01.53 | jelly | spaceone: it seems to be available in current release, debian 8, there a reason why you're on 7? |
| 16:02.10 | spaceone | jelly: i can't upgrade to 8 :/ |
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| 16:03.14 | jelly | ,checkbackport italc --fromrelease=jessie --torelease=wheezy |
| 16:03.17 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 16:03.18 | judd | Backporting package italc in jessieâwheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
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| 16:03.58 | jelly | spaceone: hmm. Try doing a build using the existing debian source package, a "backport". |
| 16:04.11 | jelly | dpkg, tell spaceone about ssb |
| 16:04.15 | dury | where I can talk about gnome extensios ? |
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| 16:05.00 | jelly | spaceone: the difference from what the bot told you, is instead of doing a backport from "sid" to "jessie" you'll be doing a backport from "jessie" to "wheezy" |
| 16:05.00 | MichaelP | What is the difference between debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso and debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-netinst.iso ? once installed they the same right |
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| 16:05.28 | spaceone | jelly: i'll try that ! thanks |
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| 16:06.19 | jelly | ,v italc-master |
| 16:06.20 | judd | Package: italc-master on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.0.9-1.1+b1; wheezy: 1:1.0.13-1.4; wheezy-backports: 1:2.0.1-3~bpo7+1; jessie: 1:2.0.2+dfsg1-2+b1; sid: 1:2.0.2+dfsg1-3+b1; stretch: 1:2.0.2+dfsg1-3+b1 |
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| 16:07.09 | jelly | spaceone: there seems to be an older 2.0.1 built for wheezy (debian 7) already, if that's acceptable you can just add wheezy-backports repositories and install that one |
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| 16:07.19 | jelly | dpkg, tell spaceone about wheezy-backports |
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| 16:08.21 | spaceone | oh, i need the latest - currently tried to upgrade from the git repo |
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| 16:13.35 | no_gravity | what would be a good syntax to express "do on the first of month always." |
| 16:13.38 | no_gravity | cron probably ha something like this? |
| 16:14.12 | frexm | Yes. |
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| 16:14.33 | no_gravity | im creating a dsl for a todo manager |
| 16:14.44 | frexm | crontab(1) |
| 16:14.52 | no_gravity | and how do you tell cron to do something every 10 days? |
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| 16:14.55 | dury | gnome extensions |
| 16:15.00 | siery_ | hey |
| 16:15.09 | frexm | sry, crontab(5) |
| 16:15.15 | dury | can anyone one assist me, please? |
| 16:15.31 | siery_ | do someone knows where system sounds are stored in debian? |
| 16:15.51 | siery_ | whats the problem dury? |
| 16:15.52 | frexm | no_gravity: Every ten days seems a bit.. irregular.. |
| 16:16.04 | siery_ | maybe i can help |
| 16:16.17 | dury | https://github.com/growing/gnome-public-ip-extension need to customize the flag, siery |
| 16:16.22 | no_gravity | frexm: well, i am creating a dsl that lets users express "every N days" or "every Nth of every month" |
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| 16:17.21 | ballmer | duro: there's unofficial support on #gnome and another chat server has official support https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC |
| 16:17.31 | ballmer | dury |
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| 16:18.18 | frexm | no_gravity: Every Nth of every month is easier than every N days, if you are to use crontab. Read crontab(5), it's good. |
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| 16:18.27 | frexm | 'man 5 crontab' |
| 16:18.37 | no_gravity | frexm: its not about crontab. its about my own todo manager. |
| 16:18.43 | kajaf | Hey guys, can someone help me? I am having problem with network manager vpn, the VPN connects, however it does not route anything to it |
| 16:19.15 | siery_ | yes, i can't help you dury sorry, look at wiki that ballmer send |
| 16:19.15 | kajaf | https://bpaste.net/show/37657c772976 this is my route -n table |
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| 16:23.16 | d0uglas | Hi #debian. Why is pptpd considered insecure? The protocol, how the server authenticates, .. ? And is compromising whatever flaws it has a trivial task? |
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| 16:26.02 | ballmer | most vpn's are vulnerabe to ipv6 leaks |
| 16:26.10 | ballmer | nothing is truly secure |
| 16:26.27 | ballmer | microsoft's pptp is highly unsecure |
| 16:26.58 | frexm | no_gravity: You mentioned cron. |
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| 16:27.40 | dury | anyway.... I wonder if someone can assist me to setup or configure properly xscreensaver to autostart |
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| 16:27.53 | ballmer | if the tech industry admitted how insecure their systems and services really were, nobody would use them |
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| 16:28.28 | no_gravity | frexm: i thought maybe i make my syntax similar to cron. but now i see crons is not human readable enough. |
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| 16:30.09 | frexm | Bah, humans. |
| 16:30.09 | no_gravity | frexm: i will gow with "Do on every 1st day of the month" |
| 16:30.17 | dury | siery: can you? |
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| 16:30.35 | frexm | no_gravity: Ok. =) |
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| 16:32.57 | dury | ballmer: have you got time to assist me please? |
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| 16:33.37 | eschmidbauer | Hi. Can anyone recommend good hardware to run debian 8 as desktop? |
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| 16:33.49 | dury | ballmer: did my best for xscreensaver without success |
| 16:34.10 | AlexLikeRock | i need control VOLUM CONTROL from my ANDROID |
| 16:34.16 | AlexLikeRock | i have debian testing |
| 16:34.37 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.40 | AlexLikeRock | _? |
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| 16:36.26 | jim | eschmidbauer, what purpose would the computer serve? (probably desktop is too vague) |
| 16:36.46 | eschmidbauer | just desktop for dev environment |
| 16:36.47 | dury | eschmidbauer: i7 |
| 16:37.04 | eschmidbauer | writing code and compiling on local machine |
| 16:37.13 | eschmidbauer | because we deploy on deb8 server |
| 16:37.31 | eschmidbauer | will be easy to dev on a deb8 desktop |
| 16:37.41 | jim | wait, is that two separate purposes? |
| 16:37.44 | Sayona | Hello |
| 16:37.48 | jim | hi |
| 16:37.56 | Sayona | mariadb-server : Depends: mariadb-server-10.0 (>= 10.0.22-0+deb8u1) |
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| 16:38.07 | eschmidbauer | no... deb8 and desktop for many purpses |
| 16:38.19 | eschmidbauer | i do most my dev/compiling in bash |
| 16:38.26 | jim | so.... |
| 16:38.28 | eschmidbauer | but i want a desktop to run software |
| 16:38.32 | eschmidbauer | that i cmpile |
| 16:38.35 | dury | anyone can help to configure xscreensaver to autostart, please |
| 16:38.44 | TomTomTosch | eschmidbauer, you really dont need anything for that. I'm working just fine on an old thinkpad with an i5 and 4GB RAM. |
| 16:38.47 | eschmidbauer | i'm just wondering what hardware is recommended to run desktop |
| 16:38.50 | jim | first, have you installed debian yet? |
| 16:39.02 | eschmidbauer | i dont have the hardware yet lol |
| 16:39.07 | eschmidbauer | that's why im asking |
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| 16:39.23 | eschmidbauer | i7 ... is there preferred graphics hardware? |
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| 16:39.58 | jim | you could go headless if you're just compiling |
| 16:40.17 | TomTomTosch | those have integrated graphics if you don't need anything fancy. |
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| 16:40.21 | eschmidbauer | i know i could go headless |
| 16:40.27 | eschmidbauer | that's how i deploy servers |
| 16:40.28 | jim | what do you waht for storage? |
| 16:40.45 | eschmidbauer | not sure... maybe SS |
| 16:40.53 | eschmidbauer | if not SS, 7200rpm |
| 16:40.56 | dury | jim, when you finish, woukd you assist me, please, no rush |
| 16:41.17 | dury | woukd = would |
| 16:41.18 | eschmidbauer | i know SS is magnitudes faster but i also don't like the EOL on them |
| 16:41.22 | jim | dury, sure :) thanks for pinging |
| 16:41.57 | jim | well with compiling there will be lots of writes |
| 16:42.21 | eschmidbauer | yeah. i'll probably stick with 7200rpm for that reason |
| 16:42.48 | jim | how much disk space do you think you want? |
| 16:43.46 | eschmidbauer | at least 1 TB |
| 16:43.58 | jim | on one drive? |
| 16:44.09 | eschmidbauer | ya |
| 16:44.10 | jim | or an array? |
| 16:44.13 | jim | ok |
| 16:44.22 | eschmidbauer | maybe get hardware RAID setup |
| 16:44.27 | eschmidbauer | that would be sweet |
| 16:44.51 | spaceone | jelly: thank you, everything is working with your suggestions |
| 16:44.54 | eschmidbauer | 2 1TB drives mirrored |
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| 16:45.30 | eschmidbauer | Does anyone here use proxmox? I heard it's built on deb8 |
| 16:45.31 | Sayona | hey |
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| 16:46.13 | jim | so what about the video? I know we said we don't need anything special... probably what comes with the mobo will be good (but, maybe no hw accel |
| 16:46.23 | jim | hey |
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| 16:47.30 | eschmidbauer | yeah... Is there recommended video hw for deb8 or the linux kernel? |
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| 16:48.07 | eschmidbauer | would be awesome to run proxmox on it too... |
| 16:48.24 | jim | what are you going to do about x? or do you want to go with text only? |
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| 16:48.45 | jim | what's proxmox |
| 16:49.11 | jim | I think I looked into it the other day, forgot already |
| 16:49.24 | Sayona | waaaa in debian 8 apache2 have default folder in /var/www/html/ |
| 16:49.27 | eschmidbauer | it's vm server software |
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| 16:49.57 | eschmidbauer | jim -- i want a GUI... what is recommended for that? gnome ? KDE? i never had a preference before |
| 16:50.04 | jim | Sayona, you can configure that anywhere you want |
| 16:50.11 | Sayona | is a bug? |
| 16:50.11 | eschmidbauer | i think i read gnome + systemd work well together |
| 16:50.23 | jim | no, it's just the default |
| 16:50.39 | Sayona | DocumentRoot /var/www/html |
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| 16:51.20 | jim | I set up an apache to have the documentroot in my home dir |
| 16:51.37 | jim | took me awhile to get everythign right |
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| 16:52.31 | jim | Sayona, your apache2 configs I think are in /etc/apache2 |
| 16:52.50 | Sayona | ServerRoot /var/www/ |
| 16:52.52 | Sayona | not work |
| 16:53.14 | jim | you have to work on it |
| 16:53.33 | jim | it will, you just need to get a few settings right |
| 16:53.38 | Sayona | yap |
| 16:53.42 | Sayona | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21660621/why-has-the-apache2-www-dir-been-moved-to-var-www-html |
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| 16:54.08 | jim | if you don't find out here, another place that has info is #httpd |
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| 16:54.43 | Sayona | :) |
| 16:54.46 | Sayona | thanks |
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| 16:56.54 | jim | dury, hi... still here? |
| 16:57.48 | jim | sorry, some of that took a long time |
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| 16:59.10 | BlahStuff400 | Wich is the most trusted or checked debian mirror? Because my country one is under maintenance |
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| 16:59.41 | BlahStuff400 | Im not sure wich to pick |
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| 17:00.44 | jim | BlahStuff400, pick one close to you, that should be ok |
| 17:00.46 | dury | sorry jim :-( |
| 17:00.59 | dury | are you there, jim? |
| 17:01.07 | jim | dury, no worries... did you still need something? |
| 17:01.26 | phoe_krk | Hey! Is it possible to install Krita in sid right now? It complains about missing dependencies, for example, libilmbase6 - but that is replaced by libilmbase6v5 which I have installed. |
| 17:01.43 | phoe_krk | And I can't remove libilmbase6v5 because a lot of other things depend on it. |
| 17:01.46 | dury | jim, of course thank you really appreciate your support |
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| 17:02.41 | BlahStuff400 | Jim still would like to get one that have lot of control.. :) |
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| 17:03.08 | dury | jim, need to configure xscreensaver 'cause love it and I want to have it running... see if you can configure it to autostart, please |
| 17:03.26 | jim | phoe_krk, if you don't find out about sid here, there's a channel on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
| 17:03.29 | hassoon | 'sup |
| 17:03.31 | jim | !testing |
| 17:03.32 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a very bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 17:04.01 | phoe_krk | jim: thanks! I'll be poking around there in a moment if I can't find any help. |
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| 17:04.31 | karlpinc | I guess it's been forever since I did a fresh debian install, I've never done one on uefi. I've disabled "secure boot". But I don't see any boot options for booting off cd. If I burn a netinstall cd will it boot and install? |
| 17:04.33 | jim | that doesn't have the irc channel, hmm |
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| 17:04.57 | BlahStuff400 | Picking Netherlands one |
| 17:04.58 | karlpinc | jim: #debian-next |
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| 17:05.14 | jim | karlpinc, thanks |
| 17:05.18 | karlpinc | that's for testing. |
| 17:05.28 | jim | what's for sid? |
| 17:05.33 | phoe_krk | You must be invited to join #debian-next. |
| 17:05.34 | karlpinc | jim: Which is at least closer to sid. |
| 17:05.35 | phoe_krk | ow |
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| 17:06.20 | jim | phoe_krk, go to #debian first and ask them what's up |
| 17:06.21 | karlpinc | Ah, it's on irc.otfc.net |
| 17:06.29 | jim | yeah |
| 17:07.01 | karlpinc | Er, irc.oftc.net Sorry. |
| 17:07.13 | dury | jim, what do I do to autostart my xscreensaver, when you can obviously |
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| 17:07.58 | jim | dury, I don't know there's anything special other than installing it... maybe you have to set config options too |
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| 17:09.07 | phoe_krk | jim: asking |
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| 17:09.32 | jim | phoe_krk, I'd be curious to know what the deal is |
| 17:10.00 | dury | jim, I got installed already the problem is how to set config options... I did my best without success though :-( |
| 17:10.17 | phoe_krk | jim: if you have a sid machine on amd64, simply "apt install krita" |
| 17:10.22 | phoe_krk | it complains about missing dependencies. |
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| 17:10.35 | phoe_krk | some packages must have been renamed or something. |
| 17:10.42 | AlexLikeRock | control debian volume with android APP |
| 17:10.48 | AlexLikeRock | whis recomen |
| 17:10.52 | AlexLikeRock | _? |
| 17:10.57 | phoe_krk | like, apt install libilmbase6 - this tells me that libilmbase6v5 is a replacement for this package. |
| 17:11.03 | phoe_krk | but krita depends on libilmbase6 and not libilmbase6v5 |
| 17:11.08 | phoe_krk | and there are about four such packages I think. |
| 17:11.26 | jim | phoe_krk, the thing about sid is it's usually where the debian maints upload their packages... and sometime a required package is not there yet |
| 17:11.40 | phoe_krk | I see |
| 17:11.49 | phoe_krk | but this time it's the other way around |
| 17:11.55 | phoe_krk | it looks like the world took a step forward |
| 17:11.57 | phoe_krk | and Krita did not. |
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| 17:12.04 | phoe_krk | it still depends on packages that are seemingly obsolete |
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| 17:12.26 | jim | so it's waiting for upgrades? |
| 17:13.44 | phoe_krk | jim: yes, seemingly |
| 17:13.59 | phoe_krk | someone needs to put krita into future and make it depend on libraries that are actually present there |
| 17:14.26 | phoe_krk | moved to #debian-next over there. |
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| 17:14.59 | rrva | is there some script/service which sets the permissions of the /var/log directory at boot? |
| 17:15.06 | rrva | or is it just persistent? |
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| 17:15.58 | jim | phoe_krk, maybe you could install the depended on packages, then apt-get source krita, and build the package |
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| 17:16.30 | jim | if the depended on packages are libs, maybe the package you build will depend on them |
| 17:17.01 | rrva | just forget it, it was a mounted path |
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| 17:17.12 | phoe_krk | jim: I can't |
| 17:17.21 | phoe_krk | libilmbase6 conflicts with libilmbase6v5 |
| 17:17.29 | phoe_krk | and libilmbase6v5 *is* essentially libilmbase6 |
| 17:17.42 | phoe_krk | oh wait, source. |
| 17:17.44 | jim | phoe_krk, you may need to install -dev versions |
| 17:17.51 | phoe_krk | hum. |
| 17:18.12 | phoe_krk | that's what I thought, right now I follow the official compiling guide for the whole Calligra. |
| 17:18.17 | jim | you might try doing: apt-get build-dep krita |
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| 17:19.37 | rattking | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.37 | phoe_krk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.44 | phoe_krk | requires: ... but will not be installed |
| 17:20.06 | jim | phoe_krk, this is the kind of thing that (allowed to) break in sid |
| 17:20.09 | phoe_krk | and apt install libgsl0ldbl threatens to remove my inkscape |
| 17:20.14 | phoe_krk | :P |
| 17:20.22 | phoe_krk | I'll try compiling my own. |
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| 17:21.36 | jim | you're perfectly welcome to do that... you may wish to do: apt-get build-dep inkscape ; apt-get source inkscape and go in there and build the packae |
| 17:21.52 | jim | +g |
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| 17:24.52 | jhutchins | Man, Jessie takes forever to boot. It's as bad as Windows. |
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| 17:26.23 | jim | raided ssds? |
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| 17:31.17 | ballmer | jessie isn't that bad on boot times in my experience |
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| 17:31.50 | ballmer | my only complaint is its like stepping into 2013 from a packages perspective |
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| 17:32.04 | cyphix | Hi. When I upgrade my system, I see that some packages are kept back. How can I identify why it is so? |
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| 17:34.48 | phoe_krk | apt build-dep fails for me. |
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| 17:34.56 | phoe_krk | Says one of the packages can't be installed. |
| 17:35.03 | phoe_krk | How can I ask it to install everything beside that single package? |
| 17:35.04 | asarch | What can you do when a process cannot be killed with kill -9? |
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| 17:35.13 | asarch | # ps ax | grep xl |
| 17:35.13 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.35 | Sayona | Port 465 not opened on your server errornum: 0 : |
| 17:43.46 | Sayona | but I use smtp |
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| 17:47.46 | basilic | hello all |
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| 17:48.13 | basilic | I have a problem with an nvidia GT720 video card on debian 8 anybody can help me |
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| 17:51.26 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 17:51.26 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:52.51 | basilic | thank jhutchins |
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| 17:54.56 | roger` | hello |
| 17:55.19 | roger` | i just tried to upgrade to jessie |
| 17:55.23 | roger` | and got this /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/vz/vms/88029/private'. |
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| 17:56.42 | jelly | roger`: is that an openvz host |
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| 17:57.32 | roger` | its a cheap virtual machine hosted at ovh |
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| 17:57.57 | dury | back again.... gesssss :-) |
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| 17:58.32 | jelly | roger`: so an openvz guest then, you probably don't need grub there at all -- it's a container |
| 17:58.48 | roger` | its blocking all my apt-gets |
| 17:59.01 | dury | no way to autostart xscreensaver jesuussss!!! :-( |
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| 17:59.28 | jelly | roger`: dpkg --remove grub-common ? |
| 17:59.47 | dury | follow this > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=23638& |
| 18:00.02 | jelly | roger`: if my guess is correct. If not that may leave your system unbootable, proceed with caution |
| 18:00.03 | roger` | apt-get remove grub-pc |
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| 18:00.08 | roger` | seems to have done the job |
| 18:00.10 | roger` | thanks |
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| 18:00.25 | roger` | i have backups so no bigge |
| 18:00.27 | dury | I mean I followed it but nothing :-( |
| 18:00.49 | dury | i'm not able to do that |
| 18:00.49 | jelly | roger`: I specifically did not want to use apt to remove it because you said apt had problems |
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| 18:01.36 | roger` | jelly: oh, it was having problem because i was getting that grub error |
| 18:01.39 | roger` | now it's allright |
| 18:02.13 | dury | be back in a minute |
| 18:02.16 | jelly | roger`: what does "uname -a" say? before proceeding, verify your host supports jessie userspace at all. If it's at 2.6.32-something kernel it might not. |
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| 18:02.39 | roger` | 2.6.32-042stab111.12 |
| 18:03.32 | jelly | roger`: yeah, I'd set up a separate jessie chroot just to see if gnu libc from jessie works on that kernel at all. |
| 18:04.41 | DoctorD90 | guys, anyone know how may I call via android from pc? |
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| 18:07.23 | markybob_ | DoctorD90, call? http://voice.google.com or skype or a million other things |
| 18:08.04 | DoctorD90 | markybob_, yes, call. But using phone. Line of phone, use pc, like an headset for the phone |
| 18:08.13 | DoctorD90 | not a service for internet calls :) |
| 18:08.40 | jhutchins | DoctorD90: The hardware doesn't work that way. |
| 18:09.17 | DoctorD90 | eh.... jhutchins :P due to this im asking if my knowledge isnt so large, and anyone else know how :P |
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| 18:11.27 | markybob_ | DoctorD90, google voice does that, actually. call then transfer to phone. no idea why you would ever do that though |
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| 18:12.22 | DoctorD90 | markybob_, ?? really? Im from italy, and I remember that it acts like skype 0o using a separated credit.... |
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| 18:12.52 | markybob_ | DoctorD90, i don't know how it works in italy...in US calls are free with google voice and you can transfer to US numbers |
| 18:13.16 | jelly | jhutchins: what would stop hardware of a PC to act like, eg. a bluetooth headset for a phone |
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| 18:13.49 | DoctorD90 | markybob_, exactly. Here in italy from what i remmeber, google doesnt provide free calls :P |
| 18:13.57 | DoctorD90 | but, thx, i will give it a try :) |
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| 18:23.22 | rhizome | is there a good writeup on the relationship between pulse and alsa and my sound card and my ears? |
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| 18:25.16 | Joffre | On Stretch (amd64), enabled multiarch support, installed "package:i386", how to execute said package? |
| 18:25.16 | rhizome | "The sound stack in Linux has been the weakest link in Linux-as-a-desktop, and documentation on the web is often conflicting, out-of-date and dispiriting." <-- maybe some PRs are in my future |
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| 18:26.26 | rhizome | Joffre: should be the same as anything else |
| 18:26.50 | Joffre | Strange, bash won't autocomplete the entry for me. |
| 18:26.59 | rhizome | that's your test? |
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| 18:27.03 | phoe_krk | Joffre: which |
| 18:27.22 | Joffre | The package was pcsx2:i386. Where should the executable have installed? |
| 18:27.26 | rhizome | which isn't going to find things outside of $PATH |
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| 18:27.38 | greycat | Joffre: dpkg -L pkgname |
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| 18:28.12 | rhizome | | grep bin |
| 18:28.35 | Joffre | dpkg -L found it for me! Thanks for the tip! |
| 18:28.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching found it for me! Thanks for the tip! |
| 18:28.49 | Joffre | Woops :L |
| 18:29.10 | RafaelK2 | Hello folks, how can i set own partition sizes by installing process on guided lvm partitioning? |
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| 18:34.27 | jim | RafaelK2, are the partition sizes smaller than what you wanted? |
| 18:34.56 | RafaelK2 | yes, i want root little larger |
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| 18:35.18 | jim | what kind of filesystem? |
| 18:35.29 | jim | and it's an LV? |
| 18:36.13 | RafaelK2 | jim: i want it on fresh installation |
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| 18:36.24 | RafaelK2 | also LVM |
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| 18:36.58 | jim | just so you know you could resize it after, depending on what kind of filesystem it is |
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| 18:38.05 | jim | but if you don't want to do that... I wonder if you could do the guided, and the go back into the partitioner and make changes before it actually writes the partition table |
| 18:38.36 | N2TOH | is there a general reason why eggdrop is so hard to install on the raspberry pi? |
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| 18:38.41 | RafaelK2 | jim, why uses debian only 10GB for root? |
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| 18:39.23 | jelly | RafaelK2: that's a much better value than the previous 500MB and a separate /usr |
| 18:39.29 | jim | for one thing, the other partitions would be mounted on it... but actually I agree, that is a bit small\ |
| 18:39.49 | jim | what did it do for /home? |
| 18:40.22 | RafaelK2 | would be nice if it were possible to resize with + and - on installation |
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| 18:42.20 | jim | for very specific things that change how the installer presents itself to the user, you could edit the code of it to do what you want, and once it's bulletproof, you could present it to them |
| 18:42.32 | jim | the debian-installer folks that is |
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| 18:43.44 | jim | now much of the pv is left after the guided has done its thing? |
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| 18:44.05 | Sayona | https://www.facebook.com/TheMotherish/videos/856461974399526/ |
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| 18:44.08 | Sayona | ahahaaaaa |
| 18:44.28 | jim | what's that? |
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| 18:45.11 | jelly | jim: hey dude, could it be possible for you to when you don't know precisely what the user is talking about, to quiet instead of asking questions that are already answered and providing obvious alternatives. You don't have an obligation to help everyone and sometimes generic answers just draw away from the right solution. |
| 18:45.22 | Sayona | ahahaaaa funny cat |
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| 18:45.51 | jelly | "edit the code of d-i" is just silly when a user asks "how do I pick different size for a LV" |
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| 18:46.16 | Sayona | have a nice day jim. |
| 18:46.24 | Sayona | :* time to eat ! |
| 18:46.32 | Sayona | come home :) |
| 18:46.54 | jim | jelly, he wants to do something -that- specific... I dunno, that's going to be a lot of work for one thing |
| 18:47.14 | jim | Sayona, have a good meal |
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| 18:49.04 | jim | and you're right, trying to alter D-I in that way is ridiculous... but how can he get the effect he wants without altering d-i? |
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| 18:49.25 | jelly | jim: my point exactly. If you don't know... don't answer. |
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| 18:50.09 | jim | I'm not asking the question to make your point for you, I actually want to know |
| 18:50.29 | jelly | eg. I know it can definitely be done via preseed, but that's not what the user wanted, they wanted interactivity |
| 18:50.40 | jelly | jim: I don't remember off the top of my head. |
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| 18:51.37 | jim | so if he does guided, can he "complete" that, and then go into manual partitioning to make those kinds of small adjustments |
| 18:51.40 | jim | ? |
| 18:52.07 | jelly | !tias |
| 18:52.08 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 18:52.29 | jim | I guess we both need to do that :P |
| 18:52.43 | jelly | which part of "don't remember" was unclear |
| 18:53.08 | jim | exactly what subset you don't remember |
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| 18:53.44 | jelly | what can be done in guided and manual partitioning interactively with lvm |
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| 18:55.10 | Mipsalawishus | So does anyone know how Debian releases will be named once the list of Toy Story characters has been exhausted? |
| 18:55.28 | jim | I probably don't have media to launch a d-i right now, so I couldn't do it at the moment |
| 18:55.32 | Mipsalawishus | Definitely not a technical question |
| 18:56.11 | jim | wait for the toys to have offspring? |
| 18:56.11 | jelly | jim: and that's just fine. However I'm asking you avoid giving useless advice like "edit code of installer" in such cases. |
| 18:56.34 | ewew | or expert mode of installer. |
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| 18:58.10 | ewew | Is there a way to transfer lvm from PC to vbox ? |
| 18:58.18 | jim | jelly, I don't guarantee I will know what you find useless |
| 18:58.32 | jim | but I'll try |
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| 19:00.15 | jelly | jim: if you want to volunteer help, it's best to stick to issues you've had lots of hands-on experience with. |
| 19:00.47 | ewew | jim Dont make the same misstake as me. |
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| 19:02.22 | jim | how can I find all the lvm executables? (like lvscan etc) |
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| 19:03.16 | jim | I'm trying to find out about moving whole pvs, and lvs |
| 19:04.19 | jelly | dpkg -L lvm2 might be a good start, also "man lvm" |
| 19:04.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching lvm2 might be a good start, also "man lvm" |
| 19:04.40 | jelly | pvmove in particular |
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| 19:06.40 | jim | it looks like you have to have a formatted pv for the destination, it seems like pvmove could be what you're looking for (man pvmove tho) |
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| 19:08.26 | jim | from the man page..."pvmove allows you to move the allocated physical extents (PEs) on SourcePhysicalVolume to one or more other physical volumes (PVs)." |
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| 19:09.21 | phoe_krk | How can I ask apt to print me a list of dependencies for a given package name? |
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| 19:09.49 | phoe_krk | Like, without the version numbers. |
| 19:09.58 | phoe_krk | So I can copypaste it into apt install * |
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| 19:11.12 | lowin | umm, how come mplayer is not in repositories? |
| 19:11.32 | zykotick9 | phoe_krk: you seem to be going in a circle, get apt to tell you the dependencies - so you can then give the dependencies to apt??? |
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| 19:12.07 | jim | , v mplayer2 |
| 19:12.08 | zykotick9 | lowin: try mplayer2 or mpv... |
| 19:12.09 | judd | Package: mplayer2 on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1+b1; jessie: 2.0-728-g2c378c7-4+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20120817-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130903-dmo7; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130903-dmo8 |
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| 19:13.40 | lowin | this still doesn't answer my question about mplayer |
| 19:13.44 | phoe_krk | zykotick9: so I can tell him to grab *some* of the dependencies |
| 19:14.22 | jim | , v mplayer |
| 19:14.23 | judd | Package: mplayer on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; stretch: 2:1.2-1+b1; sid: 2:1.2-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 3:1.2-dmo4 |
| 19:14.24 | zykotick9 | phoe_krk: well, "apt-cache depends foo" might help?!? there is also rdepends. good luck. |
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| 19:14.35 | jim | wo there is an mplayer |
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| 19:15.03 | zykotick9 | thinks mplayer is a virtual package that installs mplayer2 |
| 19:15.26 | jelly | lowin: it was likely too buggy at the time of jessie freeze |
| 19:15.47 | lowin | jelly, thats sad :( |
| 19:16.09 | jim | lowin, it happens that way pretty often |
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| 19:16.42 | jelly | lowin: http://tracker.debian.org/mplayer can tell you the time when it got removed from testing |
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| 19:18.02 | lowin | jelly, great. thanks |
| 19:18.51 | jim | that should also link you to the bug report that did the removal |
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| 19:21.19 | rhizome | might be related to all the ffmpeg BS going on these days |
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| 19:21.43 | jelly | rhizome: this BS was in 2013 |
| 19:21.58 | _abc_ | Please, what's the --arch argument for amd athlons? Some terms are simply impossible to find on search engines, even with quotes. |
| 19:22.11 | jelly | rhizome: (you can see that if you care to look at the tracker page) |
| 19:22.40 | _abc_ | amd64 ? |
| 19:22.46 | _abc_ | tries |
| 19:23.00 | jelly | _abc_: --arch argument for what command? |
| 19:23.40 | Shentino | How do I make a feature request in debian? |
| 19:23.48 | anddam | I have an issue on USB bus "usb 1-4: device descriptor read/64, error -110" I don't actually get what it is since on that hub (that is the builtin one) I only have two devices, thus accounting for 1-1, 1-2 and 1-3. This is my journal https://gist.github.com/anddam/6ad37741c9b13c29e4d5 , any hint? |
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| 19:23.56 | markybob_ | Shentino, create a bug report |
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| 19:24.34 | jelly | Shentino: what kind of feature? |
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| 19:25.33 | jelly | Shentino: if it requires changing an existing package, that can be a Priority: wishlist bug report for that package. If it's packaging some new piece of software, that's called a RFP bug report |
| 19:25.35 | jelly | !rfp |
| 19:25.35 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
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| 19:25.46 | doki_pen_ | what init system does 7.9 use by default? |
| 19:25.54 | jelly | sysvinit, doki_pen_ |
| 19:26.01 | lowin | rhizome, indeed it was. mplayer was removed because it was "buggy, unmaintained" and was replaced with mplayer2 which was not updated for like 5 years |
| 19:26.11 | _abc_ | jelly: debootstrap but in general |
| 19:26.16 | _abc_ | jelly: setting up a chroot here |
| 19:26.18 | lowin | or 3 years, at the time of decision |
| 19:26.37 | Shentino | jelly: So do I just email something or is there a bug tracker I can post to? |
| 19:26.49 | markybob | !reportbug |
| 19:26.49 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 19:26.51 | doki_pen_ | jelly: thanks, is that still the case in latest release? |
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| 19:27.05 | jelly | doki_pen_: no, debian 8 (jessie) defaults to systemd |
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| 19:27.34 | rhizome | lowin: yeah. not sure where the pushback is coming from, it's been going on long enough |
| 19:27.44 | jelly | doki_pen_: this can be changed post-install, or even at install time with some massaging |
| 19:27.48 | Shentino | Um....I don't have debian installed yet ^^ anyway the feature in question is to allow the installation partitioner to work with GiB/MiB and not just GB/MB. Reason: Unit size compatibility with a LOT of tools out there that use 1024 instead of 1000 as a base: Cases in point: lvm and qemu |
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| 19:28.20 | jelly | Shentino: did you try the current installer? |
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| 19:28.38 | Shentino | I think so...is that the one on the latest netinstall .iso file? |
| 19:28.46 | Shentino | I'm installing inside a VM |
| 19:28.54 | jelly | Shentino: I honestly don't remember whether it's pedantic enough about using SI units or not |
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| 19:29.15 | subleq | I'm trying to upgrade from postgres 9.4 to 9.5. Somehow postgresql-9.4-postgis-2.1 got unininstalled, but it's required to do the dump needed to upgrade. Trying to install it fails with unmet deps: http://paste.debian.net/366508/ |
| 19:29.47 | Shentino | jelly: atm though, the installer is using 1000's, but qemu is using 1024's. the mismatch is...jarring |
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| 19:30.04 | jelly | Shentino: it's a reasonable request for debian-installer "package". I'd advise to first try the daily or weekly devel d-i, see if it's still like that. |
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| 19:30.29 | doki_pen_ | jelly: is there a way to use sysvinit and systemd? |
| 19:30.32 | Shentino | jelly: I was planning on that but...how exactly do I "upgrade" the installer when I'm using the netinstall iso to install? |
| 19:30.32 | jelly | Shentino: then look at bugs.debian.org/debian-installer, and if it's not filed already, file a bug report |
| 19:30.42 | doki_pen_ | i don't know jack about systemd |
| 19:30.46 | jelly | Shentino: you get a different iso :-_ |
| 19:30.51 | Shentino | ok |
| 19:31.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell Shentino about testing installer |
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| 19:32.33 | teward | doki_pen_: AIUI, there is no way to use sysvinit and systemd together. |
| 19:32.37 | teward | but don't quote me on that |
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| 19:32.56 | jelly | Shentino: you may also ask the devs and explain the reasoning in #debian-boot over on irc.oftc.net, maybe offer help :-) |
| 19:32.58 | markybob | teward, you're correct |
| 19:33.12 | teward | markybob: that's what I thought :) |
| 19:33.23 | jelly | doki_pen_: to what end? |
| 19:33.24 | Shentino | O_O |
| 19:33.38 | Shentino | looks like I'm in the wrong channel and even on the wrong network |
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| 19:33.53 | doki_pen_ | jelly: just have some custom init scripts in both systems I'd like to deploy on the same box. I guess I have to port one |
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| 19:35.22 | jelly | doki_pen_: if your init scripts contain the LSB headers, they will likely work with systemd as-is. It's supposed to have quite a bit of backward compatibilty there. |
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| 19:37.17 | Exagone313 | hi, is there a small shell that only allows 'su' - i.e. log in to another user? and list fails to a log other than syslog |
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| 19:37.36 | Exagone313 | I mean additionally |
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| 19:38.23 | Exagone313 | maybe i'll code it anyway nevermind |
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| 19:38.37 | ralpheeee | playing with the idea of installing debian sid / plasma 5....how does plasma 5 handle...any major bugs? |
| 19:38.54 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 19:38.54 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:38.57 | jelly | ralpheeee: ^^ |
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| 19:39.20 | doki_pen_ | jelly: oh sweet, thanks |
| 19:39.22 | ralpheeee | dpkg: ahhh....ok thxs!!! |
| 19:39.23 | dpkg | ralpheeee: no idea |
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| 19:44.48 | _abc_ | Why is /dev/MAKEDEV a binary and not a script on wheezy? And has no manpage? |
| 19:45.04 | _abc_ | How does one create devices by hand on wheezy, preferrably all the default ones. |
| 19:45.09 | _abc_ | For chroot purposes |
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| 19:46.03 | teaearlgraycold | I'm using insserv for an init script. I want to pass the token "start" to my script, but it seems that "service <service> start" already holds a purpose. How do I specify code that runs when "start" is passed? |
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| 19:47.34 | jelly | teaearlgraycold: what do you mean by "token" |
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| 19:48.23 | teaearlgraycold | Well I believe in the command "cp -r from to" "cp", "-r", "from", and "to" are all tokens. I guess it's also an argument |
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| 19:49.37 | _abc_ | Can someone please enlighten me wrt the role of the ELF binary /dev/MAKEDEV present in wheezy? How is it used? Or is it not for mortals to use. I am using mknod and a script to create standard devices in a chroot instead |
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| 19:50.28 | jelly | _abc_: it's useful when there's a static /dev, no udev |
| 19:50.53 | TheBestUserEver | #uncyclopedia is arguing which is better between Debian & El Capitan xD |
| 19:51.14 | jelly | oh hi geeknerd |
| 19:51.23 | jelly | bye geeknerd. |
| 19:51.25 | greycat | It is the traditional unix command to generate all of the device nodes (char/block special files) in /dev. From pre-udev days. Pre-Linux, even. |
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| 19:52.16 | matthiaskrgr | lol |
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| 19:55.43 | jelly | teaearlgraycold: given that the init script is called with basically just one argument at boot or shutdown/restart time, perhaps it might be a better idea to pass extra settings in some other way |
| 19:56.36 | teaearlgraycold | I'm not trying to pass extra settings |
| 19:56.47 | teaearlgraycold | I just can't get my script to run when I pass start |
| 19:56.49 | jelly | teaearlgraycold: what ARE you trying to do, then? |
| 19:57.01 | teaearlgraycold | Trying to start a BungeeCord Minecraft proxy with an init script |
| 19:57.09 | teaearlgraycold | When I runn service bungee start the script does NOT run |
| 19:57.15 | teaearlgraycold | It's doing something else idk |
| 19:57.25 | jelly | teaearlgraycold: does your script have a valid #! line? |
| 19:57.53 | teaearlgraycold | Yes. It runs when I do "bungee update" and "bungee command <command>" |
| 19:58.10 | teaearlgraycold | But more traditional stuff like "stop" and "start" don't invoke the script it seems |
| 19:58.26 | markybob | teaearlgraycold, pastebin your script |
| 19:58.29 | teaearlgraycold | I put a bunch of debug comments and they dont' get evaluated |
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| 19:58.30 | teaearlgraycold | Okay |
| 19:58.50 | jelly | teaearlgraycold: what does "which -a bungee" say? you seem to have it in your PATH |
| 19:59.18 | jelly | /etc/init.d is not typically put in PATH and it's not a good idea to do that |
| 19:59.43 | teaearlgraycold | which -a bungee doesn't output anything |
| 19:59.51 | teaearlgraycold | return was 1 |
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| 20:01.00 | teaearlgraycold | https://gist.github.com/teaearlgraycold/672ca01846f37b63c055 |
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| 20:03.12 | markybob | teaearlgraycold, why aren't you setting path? PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin like every other init |
| 20:03.41 | teaearlgraycold | markybob, cause I'm new to init scripts. That's not the cause of my issue though |
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| 20:04.10 | markybob | okay then |
| 20:06.36 | teaearlgraycold | If I just run /etc/init.d/bungee start it's fine |
| 20:06.53 | teaearlgraycold | But service bungee start doesn't start the service. |
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| 20:09.32 | DebianCurious600 | cruncher: hey man can i ask you a thing ? |
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| 20:10.08 | canvon | hi DebianCurious600 -- have you solved your eth0 cable replugging problem? |
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| 20:10.13 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: yeah :) |
| 20:10.14 | stoned | Guys of the debian world, hello |
| 20:10.16 | stoned | o/ |
| 20:10.22 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: hopefully yeah, i'm preparing the production system |
| 20:10.26 | jelly | teaearlgraycold: add "set -x" as the second line. stop the service. Start it again using the service command, see what it does, if anything |
| 20:10.41 | anddam | any hint about my usb problem? I have an usb 1-4 problem and AFAICT I shouldn't even have that object on the bus |
| 20:10.43 | stoned | What happens if you have 8GB RAM, No swap, and you start running out ram, can't swap/page out. |
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| 20:10.48 | teaearlgraycold | Actually it seems like now I've gotten it so that it's just not outputting anythign to stdout, but /is/ running the comamnds appropriately |
| 20:10.49 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: can i add a static route for a whole net class? i have to kick all the traffic directed to 25.x.x.x to ham0 interface |
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| 20:10.57 | stoned | Do you crash? System lock? What kind of behavior is to be expected |
| 20:11.06 | jelly | stoned: /msg dpkg oom |
| 20:11.10 | stoned | ok |
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| 20:11.38 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: can i do stuff like: route add -net 25.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 ham0 ? |
| 20:11.47 | stoned | Hahahaha |
| 20:11.58 | _abc_ | jelly: I have a static /dev in the chroot... how can I use it. I used mknod in the usual tedious manual way. Is there a better way please? |
| 20:11.59 | stoned | THAT is an amazing analogy. |
| 20:12.07 | stoned | That totally made my day jelly |
| 20:12.21 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: ok it seems is already done by hamachi itself |
| 20:12.32 | canvon | DebianCurious600: just try it? ... oh, ok @already |
| 20:12.44 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: idk why is so slow however ^^' |
| 20:12.55 | DebianCurious600 | i guess i have to ask it in netfilter |
| 20:12.59 | canvon | DebianCurious600: well, how did you solve your eth0 problem? |
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| 20:13.16 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: long story cruncher made me update the driver with another nic driver and it worked |
| 20:13.31 | canvon | DebianCurious600: yay |
| 20:13.32 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: as alternative solution i could have upgrade up to kernel 4.3 that worked flawlessy the same |
| 20:13.34 | jelly | _abc_: well... man MAKEDEV? "chroot /path/to/chroot /sbin/MAKEDEV std" for example |
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| 20:13.54 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: but he suggested me to avoid using backports if i have could, so i stayd with 3.16 kernel |
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| 20:14.28 | jelly | stoned: also google for: oom killer |
| 20:14.37 | canvon | DebianCurious600: so it was a driver issue after all |
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| 20:14.45 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: seemingly yes |
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| 20:16.17 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: are you experienced in iptables? XD |
| 20:16.29 | _abc_ | jelly: I think I tried that and it didn't. Wait, I used the usual script args. Is there a manual page please? |
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| 20:17.14 | jelly | _abc_: what usual args? |
| 20:17.17 | _abc_ | jelly: MAKEDEV std as root does nothing |
| 20:17.36 | _abc_ | jelly: the script version of that takes some standard args. Seen in old distribs like etch |
| 20:17.41 | jelly | _abc_: it doesn't create /dev/null and friends? |
| 20:17.44 | greycat | The traditional invocation is "cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV" |
| 20:17.52 | _abc_ | jelly: nothing |
| 20:17.53 | greycat | I don't know how traditional Debian's version is. |
| 20:17.59 | _abc_ | jelly: maybe I need to run it inside the chroot? |
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| 20:18.08 | greycat | I would definitely run it *in /dev* of the target. |
| 20:18.14 | jelly | _abc_: I thought I told you to run it inside the chroot. |
| 20:18.19 | _abc_ | greycat: I tried that and I tried inside the chroot. No fun |
| 20:18.23 | _abc_ | jelly: I did that |
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| 20:19.41 | jelly | _abc_: man MAKEDEV says to add -v for verbosity |
| 20:20.29 | _abc_ | Tried. Also ran it under strace. Will try more |
| 20:20.49 | _abc_ | Anyway for minimalistic tested working /dev contents for chroot purposes, ensure these are present: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 5, 1 Jan 18 21:49 console;crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 18 21:48 null;crw-r--r-- 1 root root 5, 0 Jan 18 21:49 tty;crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 5 Jan 18 21:47 zero; |
| 20:20.59 | _abc_ | That's all it takes, really. For cli programs inside chroot. |
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| 20:21.36 | jelly | _abc_: the fun thing about shell scripts is, sometimes the shell itself needs one or more of those standard dev nodes to work at all |
| 20:23.40 | jim | when I read man interfaces, there's nothing in there about wireless... what man page covers that? |
| 20:24.10 | jelly | _abc_: also, my wheezy systems don't have a binary at that place. There's a symlink instead /dev/MAKEDEV -> /sbin/MAKEDEV |
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| 20:24.15 | _abc_ | jelly: true, unless one is not an idiot and uses ash for this, which is static, and a static mknod too |
| 20:24.25 | DebianCurious600 | jelly: could you help me with a configuration ? |
| 20:24.39 | jelly | _abc_: not sure ash is a supported /bin/sh |
| 20:24.40 | canvon | jim: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian perhaps? |
| 20:24.40 | _abc_ | jelly: Maybe it copied the content of the link. Should I place it in /sbin and link it? |
| 20:24.47 | jelly | _abc_: dash is. |
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| 20:25.01 | _abc_ | jelly: ash is the boot shell in various things, it was designed to be a minimal compatible set of sh for that reason |
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| 20:25.08 | _abc_ | Also iirc in busybox |
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| 20:25.10 | Jsync | So, the Debian Grub Bootloader doesn't install anymore. :/ |
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| 20:25.24 | jelly | _abc_: debian is not busybox... is your chroot debian at all? |
| 20:25.34 | _abc_ | My chroot is a pure chroot ;) |
| 20:25.45 | Jsync | _abc_, lol |
| 20:25.52 | _abc_ | Its purpose is to unpack binaries idiotic makers insist to run as root, which I won't. |
| 20:26.06 | _abc_ | Or, rather, I will, in a chroot... |
| 20:26.07 | canvon | jim: Oh, or rather: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:26.18 | _abc_ | Trying more things, the strace log is completely empty |
| 20:26.27 | Jsync | Can anybody help me figure out how to get a GRUB installed on my new Debian install? |
| 20:26.35 | _abc_ | I mean nothing interesting at all in it, no failures, no interest in cli args, nothing |
| 20:26.49 | jim | canvon, let me find out if he's using wpasupplicant |
| 20:26.49 | jelly | _abc_: what do you mean by "pure chroot"? |
| 20:26.57 | jelly | built from scratch? |
| 20:27.31 | _abc_ | Yes. |
| 20:27.44 | _abc_ | AHH I discovered the problem for the succesfull run of MAKEDEV. |
| 20:27.52 | SynrG | Or with binaries pilfered from Debian |
| 20:27.54 | jelly | _abc_: and you're surprised a rather heavy shell script fails in it? :-) |
| 20:27.57 | Jsync | jelly, I think _abc_ meant, "You don't ask a diamond dealer if those are real faux diamonds" |
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| 20:28.03 | jim | turns out he needs it and it's not installed |
| 20:28.08 | _abc_ | My wheezy MAKEDEV in /dev/MAKEDEV is: ls -l /dev/MAKEDEV -> /bin/true |
| 20:28.19 | _abc_ | And I copied /bin/true into the chroot instead of the link |
| 20:28.21 | _abc_ | SIGH |
| 20:29.02 | _abc_ | jelly: the shell script succeeds. And I finally found out what was f*cking my /etc/* settings whenever I reinstalled that lousy compiler and its mla. |
| 20:29.09 | _abc_ | Never EVER run install scripts as root. |
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| 20:29.17 | _abc_ | Other people's that is |
| 20:29.32 | jelly | this is why we have packages...? |
| 20:29.40 | _abc_ | Nice one with /dev/MAKEDEV being a copy of /bin/true. Designed not to fail ... [tm] |
| 20:29.52 | _abc_ | jelly: not debian eh. Foreign. Microchip mla package. |
| 20:29.58 | SynrG | All of debian's maintainer scripts are "other people's" |
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| 20:30.21 | SynrG | I think you mean "other untrusted people's" |
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| 20:30.24 | jelly | SynrG: we kind of put implicit trust in those. They're OUR "other people" |
| 20:30.59 | _abc_ | Yes^ |
| 20:31.05 | SynrG | Sure, but it's an important distinction that the key issue is trust |
| 20:31.20 | Jsync | I read on the Debian forums that there's a repository source missing & that's why the GRUB fails at new installs |
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| 20:31.35 | Jsync | they still haven't fixed it & I don't have a GRUB |
| 20:31.52 | Jsync | I can't find documentation on the source needed |
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| 20:32.19 | jim | he just got it working |
| 20:32.28 | _abc_ | SynrG: eventually you have to trust someone. Even if you write asm on mcus with 256 words of flash and 26 bytes of "ram" |
| 20:32.36 | jim | thanks for the info :) |
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| 20:33.10 | _abc_ | SynrG: for example, I trust the people who designed extensive debugging silicon into the die to make a copy protection mechanism which will keep my work safe from prying probes for a reasonable amount of time... |
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| 20:33.30 | _abc_ | moves on to wrestle with mplabx the 77 headed java monster |
| 20:33.38 | SynrG | :) |
| 20:33.40 | jelly | _abc_: these are all registers! in the same manner the 6510 in my old commodore had 256 registers |
| 20:33.54 | _abc_ | 256? luxury! |
| 20:34.38 | jelly | 16 address bits baby |
| 20:35.15 | SynrG | Jsync: a missing source "they" still haven't fixed? wtf? |
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| 20:35.35 | SynrG | You have provided us with zero actual details about your problem |
| 20:35.52 | SynrG | Guaranteed recipe for zero helpful responses |
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| 20:37.00 | _abc_ | SynrG: ln -s /bin/true problem |
| 20:37.04 | _abc_ | A tested solution ;) |
| 20:37.22 | _abc_ | brb need tea this /bin/true debugging exhausted me momentarily ;) |
| 20:37.32 | jelly | Jsync: are you talking about grub failing to install during the debian-installer procedure? |
| 20:37.48 | jelly | !ask |
| 20:37.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:38.49 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: i'm starting to guess the problem maybe |
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| 20:39.44 | canvon | DebianCurious600: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:40.06 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: let me explain you in private chat |
| 20:40.13 | canvon | DebianCurious600: ok |
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| 21:06.26 | lowin | Since debian is not providing mplayer, I compiled my own from the sources. how do I tell dpkg that I am providing mplayer package so it wouldn't pull mplayer2 as dependency? |
| 21:07.31 | babilen | judd: v mplayer |
| 21:07.32 | judd | Package: mplayer on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; stretch: 2:1.2-1+b1; sid: 2:1.2-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 3:1.2-dmo4 |
| 21:07.43 | babilen | lowin: Could you elaborate on "not providing" ^^ ? |
| 21:08.03 | lowin | babilen, it was removed in jessie during freeze |
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| 21:09.18 | babilen | Ah, I've been using mpv and vlc for quite a while, but it looks as if you should either be able to pull it from jessie-multimedia (not that I'm fond of that repo) or backport it from stretch (which you might have done) |
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| 21:09.54 | lowin | Can't I just tell dpkg that it's provided? I compiled one from the source |
| 21:12.03 | canvon | lowin: There was some mechanism to easily create empty dependency packages, but I don't remember the name anymore... |
| 21:12.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell lowin -about equivs |
| 21:12.28 | canvon | babilen: yes, that was it! |
| 21:12.55 | lowin | babilen, great. thanks |
| 21:13.29 | babilen | lowin: I'd personally just follow the instructions in <ssb> and backport the actual package from sid |
| 21:13.34 | babilen | (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 21:15.10 | fadlksfja | and all was well. |
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| 21:17.55 | Iridos | babilen, mplayer2 |
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| 21:18.18 | stoned | mplayer2 is deprecated afaik |
| 21:18.18 | babilen | Iridos: That's not mplayer 1.2 AFAIK |
| 21:18.20 | stoned | Try mpv |
| 21:18.27 | veverak | hi folks, is there a way to tell apt-get that package is installed (but manually...) |
| 21:18.28 | babilen | (read the backlog !) |
| 21:18.32 | stoned | mplayer or mpv, mostly mpv |
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| 21:18.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell veverak -about equivs |
| 21:19.23 | winb | Debian jessie with gnome. I want to create a shortcut of iceweasel on the desktop. Where do I start? |
| 21:19.27 | Iridos | oh, I missed some part, sorry |
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| 21:19.54 | satbyy | veverak: apt-mark manual mypkg ? |
| 21:19.54 | veverak | babilen: thanks! |
| 21:20.18 | babilen | veverak: Assuming that buy "manually" you mean "outwith the packaging system" |
| 21:20.20 | Iridos | mpv? |
| 21:20.33 | babilen | yes, vlc, mpv are all alternatives, but are *not* mplayer 1 |
| 21:20.50 | veverak | babilen: yeah, it was donwloaded and make & make install |
| 21:21.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell veverak -about stow usage |
| 21:21.12 | Iridos | no, I wondered about that one... for some reason command-not-found didn't find that it's in the package mpv, which confused me (eyeroll) |
| 21:21.18 | stoned | pool/main/m/mplayer-dmo/mplayer_1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo4_amd64.deb from deb-multimedia |
| 21:21.32 | stoned | That's what I have. I don't use mplayer2, I just use smplayer and mpv/mplayer |
| 21:21.43 | babilen | veverak: Might be too late now, but I can't recommend using stow for managing those "installations" to /usr/local as it allows you to easily remove them later |
| 21:21.59 | babilen | stoned: It is not in jessie |
| 21:22.02 | stoned | you can grab mplayer1 from deb-multimedia and they are quality packages |
| 21:22.07 | veverak | babilen: sounds nice |
| 21:22.30 | stoned | Christian has been providing these for almost a deace or more now. |
| 21:22.41 | babilen | veverak: It saved me a lot of hassle and doesn't really complicate the initial installation much |
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| 21:22.45 | stoned | I find them reliable and stable from my user experience. |
| 21:22.53 | Iridos | I will check out mpv... if I don't forget about it :-/ |
| 21:23.11 | veverak | babilen: well... it would require recompilation of that package? |
| 21:23.38 | babilen | veverak: You would configure it differently, so yes |
| 21:23.45 | veverak | nah |
| 21:23.52 | veverak | it;s ffmpeg on raspberry pi, too long to compile :) |
| 21:23.53 | babilen | "Can't be arsed" ;) |
| 21:24.05 | babilen | Keep it in mind for the future |
| 21:24.12 | babilen | What's wrong with avconv? |
| 21:24.13 | veverak | yeah |
| 21:24.41 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia |
| 21:24.59 | veverak | missing in my repo |
| 21:25.02 | veverak | :) |
| 21:25.08 | babilen | ah |
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| 21:25.31 | babilen | Are you using raspbian or Debian? |
| 21:25.54 | veverak | raspbian O:) |
| 21:26.00 | babilen | dpkg: raspbian |
| 21:26.00 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 21:26.24 | babilen | (ffmpeg is in jessie-backports, but that obviouslt isn't raspbian, so ask them!) |
| 21:26.34 | babilen | *obviously |
| 21:26.52 | stoned | or ##linux for general support |
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| 21:30.05 | veverak | will try |
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| 21:48.46 | AlexLikeRock- | Babilen |
| 21:49.30 | AlexLikeRock- | Try ffmpeg |
| 21:49.34 | LinuxGuy2020 | If someone performs a "dpkg --clear-selections" followed by "dpkg --set-selections". Then do a "apt-get dselect-upgrade". What exactly happens to the status of manual or automatic installed? I would guess that all new installed packages are considered as manually installed and if removed later, the dependencies will be left behind? That correct? |
| 21:49.47 | LinuxGuy2020 | I was just going to write a bash script to work around this. |
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| 21:52.14 | babilen | AlexLikeRock-: Whatfor? |
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| 21:59.14 | AlexLikeRock- | Cobertura formar of audio and video |
| 21:59.25 | AlexLikeRock- | Convert |
| 21:59.25 | du5tball | i installed wordpress and an ftp server so wordpress could install plugins and themes. now, plugins seem to work fine out of the box, but it doesn't install themes. this is my wp-config.php: http://sprunge.us/OZgN |
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| 21:59.30 | AlexLikeRock- | Format |
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| 22:05.17 | veverak | tahnks guys! |
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| 22:05.44 | jhutchins | jelly: It's not that it would be impossible to link a PC to a phone as an audio device, but there's a reason there's a lot of software to make VOIP calls and not much to relay calls. |
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| 22:14.22 | nevyn | pulse can do it with ofono |
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| 22:15.39 | jhutchins | nevyn: Just so, obscure and tinkery. |
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| 22:19.47 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock-: format c:\ ? :P |
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| 22:20.19 | AlexLikeRock- | Hi troll teraflops! |
| 22:20.24 | teraflops | :S |
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| 22:37.44 | nevyn | jhutchins: pulse isn't really obscure |
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| 22:43.03 | Dagger | are there are any decent GUI tools for dealing with wifi on Debian? |
| 22:43.16 | nevyn | jhutchins: also using your pc as a headset is pretty obscure as a usecase |
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| 22:43.22 | Dagger | decent = capable of connecting to a wifi network without disconnecting shortly afterwards and without screwing up my other interfaces |
| 22:43.23 | mtn | Dagger: network manager is good |
| 22:43.33 | Dagger | wicd seems to fail on the first and network-manager fails on both of those |
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| 22:44.14 | mtn | Dagger: more likely the network card/driver than the network tool |
| 22:44.22 | Dagger | I've spent a few hours fighting with network-manager today and I'm pretty much decided that it's nothing close to good :/ |
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| 22:45.35 | Dagger | no, it's not, everything works fine until nm/wicd disconnect the network |
| 22:46.26 | Paianni | note to self: compile new kernel before compiling modules |
| 22:47.19 | DoctorD90 | hello! Im using Evolution. I have added Hotmail account in Online Accounts, but it doesnt sync contacts and calendar, only mails. how may I solve it? |
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| 22:48.22 | canvon | Dagger: any error message / any reason given by NetworkManager? in syslog or journal |
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| 22:49.10 | Dagger | canvon: for which issue? the "disconnecting the wifi network" is because it doesn't get a response back from DHCPv6, even though SLAAC is available and working fine |
| 22:49.47 | DoctorD90 | Dagger have you well setted interfaces for nm? |
| 22:49.51 | Dagger | the "messes up my other networks" part? nah, nothing useful there, it just disables v6 for no reason |
| 22:49.56 | zykotick9 | DoctorD90: there appears to be an #evolution channel on the irc.gimp.org network (if you don't get an answer/reply here) |
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| 22:50.29 | DoctorD90 | zykotick9 gimp.org? lol....btw thx! :) |
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| 22:54.24 | DoctorD90 | zykotick9 i think issue is in "online accounts" because it showes only mail and documents for syncing... |
| 22:55.11 | canvon | Dagger: re. sry, 24h disconnect. so, does NetworkManager give any indication in syslog or journal? |
| 22:55.12 | zykotick9 | DoctorD90: i have ZERO idea! i haven't used evolution (or hotmail for that matter) in YEARS... /me is a happy mutt user now |
| 22:55.33 | Dagger | canvon: for which issue? the "disconnecting the wifi network" is because it doesn't get a response back from DHCPv6, even though SLAAC is available and working fine |
| 22:55.34 | Dagger | the "messes up my other networks" part? nah, nothing useful there, it just disables v6 for no reason |
| 22:55.52 | canvon | :/ |
| 22:56.35 | canvon | Dagger: Have you been using the GNOME UI? nm-applet is somewhat better |
| 22:56.41 | DoctorD90 | zykotick9 lol |
| 22:57.09 | canvon | And there is the possibility to configure connection settings manually in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/FOO, according to the documentation in .. uh |
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| 22:57.52 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: back |
| 22:57.57 | Dagger | canvon: that's still just a front-end to network-manager though. network-manager breaks stuff and I need it to go away |
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| 22:58.09 | canvon | Dagger: "man nm-settings", I think. and "man NetworkManager.conf" could help, too |
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| 22:58.25 | Dagger | (seems I was already using nm-applet) |
| 22:58.30 | canvon | Dagger: sad. :/ NetworkManager works well for me :\ |
| 22:58.55 | DoctorD90 | Dagger have you setted interfaces file? |
| 22:59.42 | canvon | wb DebianCurious600 |
| 22:59.43 | Dagger | DoctorD90: I'm trying to avoid manually changing /e/n/i every time I want to change wifi networks |
| 23:00.01 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: let me try first to fix this wake on lan issue :D |
| 23:00.59 | canvon | Dagger: that was my reason for switching to NetworkManager |
| 23:01.09 | zykotick9 | Dagger: fyi, if you check the docs, there is actually a way to have multiple networks configured in /e/n/i and a wlan0=foo_net option... just sayin' |
| 23:01.37 | Dagger | canvon: it's the reason I want to keep it, but it's no good if it screws up my other interfaces while it's running |
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| 23:01.48 | Dagger | and there's no way to configure it to ignore all interfaces except the wifi |
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| 23:02.10 | canvon | Dagger: so what exactly does it do to the other interfaces? |
| 23:02.45 | Dagger | canvon: it has a habit of setting disable_ipv6=1, which is pretty much never what I want |
| 23:03.02 | DoctorD90 | Dagger you have just to allow nm to manage only interfaces that you want |
| 23:03.11 | Dagger | canvon: in particular, the moment I create a bridge, it disables v6 on it, which means I can't then add addresses to the bridge |
| 23:03.18 | DoctorD90 | in that case only wifi i think |
| 23:03.46 | Dagger | DoctorD90: yeah. but that's not possible |
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| 23:04.01 | Dagger | it doesn't have any way to set "only manage X interface" |
| 23:05.00 | zykotick9 | Dagger: if you setup the non-X interface(s) in /e/n/i then n-m won't manage them |
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| 23:06.02 | Dagger | sure, I can make it ignore specific interfaces by doing that, but I can't make it ignore everything except the wifi |
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| 23:06.41 | DoctorD90 | Dagger sure |
| 23:06.49 | DoctorD90 | read better nm configs ;) |
| 23:07.18 | Dagger | if you can point me to where it describes this, please do |
| 23:07.39 | Dagger | but the last time I spent a few hours with this, I was reading the *sources* and came to the conclusion that it couldn't do it |
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| 23:11.02 | canvon | Dagger: and to blacklist everything else manually really wouldn't work? also I'm surprised it disables IPv6, I had the impression it would default to quite good IPv6 support (at least in jessie), with DHCPv6 being activated only if the Router Advertisements tell so, or when manually enabled. |
| 23:12.17 | Dagger | I don't want it to *ever* disable v6 on a bridge I create. I can't put all possible bridge names into /e/n/i just on the offchance I might create one |
| 23:13.01 | canvon | Dagger: It doesn't do anything like that here! |
| 23:13.28 | Dagger | canvon: I think what it's trying to do is unconfigure the interface (e.g. if you unplug the cable, it wants to remove all IPs) |
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| 23:13.43 | Dagger | but a) that's wrong, b) bridges don't have cables. but it does it anyway |
| 23:14.09 | canvon | Dagger: are you sure this all is NetworkManager, and not the other program you were using? |
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| 23:19.55 | Dagger | it was happening before I installed wicd, and it stopped when I did `invoke-rc.d network-manager stop` |
| 23:20.47 | canvon | :/ |
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| 23:22.46 | canvon | Dagger: And there sure is no entry in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ that has somehow configured to turn IPv6 off for that connection? e.g., here it says in [ipv6]: method=auto, which for sure does not turn off IPv6 |
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| 23:23.28 | cluelessperson | Does tilda not allow for kill messages? |
| 23:23.31 | cluelessperson | Ctrl+C ? |
| 23:24.19 | DebianCurious600 | cruncher: yo |
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| 23:26.41 | Dagger | canvon: it literally does it with random interface names, I don't see how I could have any saved settings for them |
| 23:27.06 | Dagger | canvon: https://p.6core.net/p/xPW5nDdw2uzETXBOSRSiAUAw gives "Permission denied" on the `ip addr add` line |
| 23:27.35 | canvon | Dagger: just curious, are you running jessie? |
| 23:27.46 | Dagger | yeah |
| 23:27.57 | Dagger | (I should test with sid, I guess) |
| 23:28.22 | canvon | I'm running jessie, too |
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| 23:32.51 | canvon | Dagger: okay, you're right, when I create a bridge like in your paste, it sets disable_ipv6=1 on that interfaces and gives an error when trying to add an IPv6 address |
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| 23:36.50 | canvon | Dagger: that with the carrier seems to be though that there was no interface attached to the bridge yet, I think. it logs "link connected" when I add an interface to the bridge |
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| 23:38.12 | canvon | Is the question: What does it do when adding the bridge not manually but via NetworkManager |
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| 23:39.30 | Dagger | I did try that, and I can't remember what the exact result was, but I came away from it realizing that network-manager needs to go |
| 23:40.20 | canvon | [insert expletive here] |
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| 23:41.02 | Dagger | (and in any case, it /shouldn't be doing this/, regardless of how the bridge gets added) |
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| 23:42.34 | heap_ | hi |
| 23:42.38 | heap_ | trying to do make zImage |
| 23:42.38 | heap_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.39 | heap_ | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:106:23: fatal error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:42.42 | heap_ | any idea? |
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| 23:44.26 | Brigo | heap_, i would guess you miss that file. :) |
| 23:44.34 | heap_ | yes but how can i get it .. |
| 23:44.47 | heap_ | tha package thay say it contains file is installed |
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