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| 00:21.43 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: cruncher: solution found, was hamachi the guilty for having shitty relay servers with no bandwith at all and tons of packet loss, that packet loss made me think of MTU problems while was their relay servers the problems. |
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| 00:28.59 | coolp | hi all i ahave a script for checking installed pkg on debain 8 here is the script #!/bin/sh |
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| 00:29.14 | canvon | DebianCurious600: yay |
| 00:29.31 | teraflops | coolp: thanks! |
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| 00:30.01 | DebianCurious600 | canvon: but openvpn scares me! XD |
| 00:31.02 | canvon | DebianCurious600: you could also try tinc |
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| 00:31.54 | coolp | packageList='wget nano' package='wget nano' add="apt-cache search $package" for package in $packageList; do if $add == $packageList; then echo "$package" is installed; else echo "$package" is not installed;fi done |
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| 00:33.06 | coolp | that is my script when i run it is is wget and nano is install but i uninstalled it to see if it will work but it is not working |
| 00:33.08 | teraflops | coolp: and you use apt-cache search, that's clever! |
| 00:33.37 | coolp | yes |
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| 00:34.21 | coolp | the add= is apt-cache search |
| 00:35.16 | cherry_lin | so I've tried 4.3.0, and still no i915 in /sys/bus/pci/drivers, no kernel module loaded for "Xeon E3-1200 v3 Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:041a]", and no /dev/dri available |
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| 00:35.31 | cherry_lin | any suggestions? |
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| 00:35.58 | cherry_lin | loading i915 just shows [ 1114.649069] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 |
| 00:38.17 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:041a |
| 00:38.20 | judd | [8086:041a] is 'Xeon E3-1200 v3 Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:041a |
| 00:38.33 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:041a --release sid |
| 00:38.34 | judd | [8086:041a] is 'Xeon E3-1200 v3 Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:041a |
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| 00:38.49 | cherry_lin | judd: pciid 8086:041a --release stretch |
| 00:38.50 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
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| 00:39.06 | jelly | cherry_lin: if it's not in sid... no need to bother with testing |
| 00:39.12 | cherry_lin | I see |
| 00:39.31 | cherry_lin | what's the best way to check kernel source for current installed kernel from repo |
| 00:39.34 | markybob | i've never run x on xeon. fancy |
| 00:39.36 | jelly | ask the intel graphics people about the particular cpu |
| 00:39.45 | cherry_lin | I would like to ensure that pci matches the string in the source |
| 00:40.04 | jelly | cherry_lin: pastebin your complete lspci -nn ? |
| 00:40.14 | cherry_lin | sure, a sec |
| 00:40.33 | cherry_lin | http://pastebin.com/5DFa9VC5 |
| 00:40.33 | jelly | the string is irrelevant really, pci id is what matters |
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| 00:41.48 | jelly | /lib/modules/4.3.0-1-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v00008086d0000041Asv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915 |
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| 00:42.07 | cherry_lin | i915.mod.c:MODULE_ALIAS("pci:v00008086d0000041Asv*sd*bc03sc*i*"); |
| 00:42.13 | cherry_lin | yes, I see the same in 4.1.0 |
| 00:42.29 | jelly | 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 from jessie-backports has it as well |
| 00:42.50 | cherry_lin | yes, I'm running 4.3.0-1-amd64 from jessie-backports |
| 00:43.03 | cherry_lin | ah |
| 00:43.06 | cherry_lin | -0.bpo |
| 00:43.38 | cherry_lin | ii linux-image-4.3.0-1-amd64 4.3.3-5 |
| 00:43.43 | cherry_lin | no idea which repo it is from |
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| 00:44.51 | cherry_lin | anyway I see the same alias pci:v00008086d0000041Asv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915 |
| 00:44.55 | jelly | cherry_lin: that'll be either stretch or sid |
| 00:45.08 | cherry_lin | in modules.alias |
| 00:45.15 | jelly | cherry_lin: which debian release are you supposed to be running |
| 00:45.20 | cherry_lin | jessie |
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| 00:45.34 | jelly | well, you've ruined it right there :-) |
| 00:45.49 | cherry_lin | but how |
| 00:45.57 | cherry_lin | I've just dist-upgraded from wheezy to jessie |
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| 00:46.07 | cherry_lin | I've read all the info on debian.org about upgrading |
| 00:46.11 | jelly | that's not a kernel from jessie |
| 00:46.31 | jelly | cherry_lin: show your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-4.3.0-1-amd64" |
| 00:46.32 | cherry_lin | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 00:46.33 | cherry_lin | deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 00:46.36 | cherry_lin | from those maybe |
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| 00:46.39 | jelly | yes. |
| 00:46.58 | jelly | don't mix stable with anything newer. |
| 00:47.12 | cherry_lin | had to do it because nothing else worked |
| 00:47.26 | cherry_lin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.35 | cherry_lin | that's what he said |
| 00:48.04 | jelly | well, to be safe now you can "have to" install jessie again |
| 00:48.29 | jelly | and use the kernel build from jessie-backports, instead, if you need it |
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| 00:48.58 | cherry_lin | why install jessie again |
| 00:49.08 | andril | hello |
| 00:49.18 | cherry_lin | I can't downgrade installed packages from testing to stable? |
| 00:49.24 | jelly | not really |
| 00:49.24 | tharkun | Aloha |
| 00:49.32 | andril | where can i find gnome-session-properties in Debian 8 |
| 00:49.34 | jelly | !partial downgrade |
| 00:49.34 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 00:50.13 | cherry_lin | thank you, I will try this |
| 00:50.20 | cherry_lin | but anyway, I don't think it will solve the problem |
| 00:50.28 | jelly | cherry_lin: neither dpkg nor apt really support downgrades, all sorts of untested situatious and bugs happen |
| 00:50.31 | andril | i am trying to add Conky to startup |
| 00:50.32 | cherry_lin | it didn't work on wheezy, on jessie and on testing kernel on jessie as well |
| 00:51.06 | jelly | it won't solve the graphical issue, no, but it's not meant to; that's just to get back to some sort of a jessie install |
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| 00:51.44 | jelly | cherry_lin: does anything happen in dmesg after modprobing i915 from that 4.3? |
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| 00:52.06 | cherry_lin | absolutely nothing except drm loaded successfully message |
| 00:52.17 | cherry_lin | [ 1114.649069] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 |
| 00:52.18 | jelly | cherry_lin: pastebin the whole dmesg. |
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| 00:52.53 | cherry_lin | https://www.yoshi.tk/uploads/183/dmesg.txt |
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| 00:59.02 | jelly | cherry_lin: I've no idea what's going on there seeing as there are bug reports with that pci-id showing better support from back before jessie was released |
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| 01:01.10 | cherry_lin | jelly: is it possible to have this gpu locked in bios? |
| 01:01.30 | cherry_lin | jelly: I'm trying to enable OpenCL on one of the cheap hetzner servers |
| 01:01.49 | jelly | cherry_lin: you don't have a head connected? |
| 01:01.52 | cherry_lin | though I assume I wouldn't see anything in lspci, in case it's blocked |
| 01:01.59 | cherry_lin | I don't |
| 01:02.08 | jelly | who knows, might be |
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| 01:02.33 | jelly | https://bugs.debian.org/756326 shows support even in 3.16-rc6 |
| 01:02.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/756326 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (open, moreinfo, unreproducible): «xserver-xorg-video-intel: Upgrade removes xserver-xorg-video-intel»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-07-28; last modified: 2015-05-29. |
| 01:03.46 | jelly | cherry_lin: I suppose you don't have IPMI or some other way to access the console remotely, get into bios and check things |
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| 01:04.18 | cherry_lin | hm |
| 01:04.20 | andril | is there a remote desktop option for debian 8? |
| 01:04.21 | cherry_lin | alright, I'll try it |
| 01:04.26 | cherry_lin | thank you very much |
| 01:04.37 | cherry_lin | andril: x11vnc maybe |
| 01:04.53 | andril | thanks cherry_lin |
| 01:04.59 | siery | hey, can someone tell me where icons stored in debian? |
| 01:05.07 | cherry_lin | andril: maybe it's oldfashioned one, but I still use it |
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| 01:10.09 | jelly | cherry_lin: I guess since the module is configured to bind that pci-id, and it still does nothing, it probably has some way to detect there's nothing to do. Which brings me back to "ask the intel gpu driver people" |
| 01:10.25 | AvatarA | siery, looking for /usr/share/icons? |
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| 01:10.59 | jelly | cherry_lin: #intel-gfx channel possibly |
| 01:11.27 | cherry_lin | I'll ask them right away, thank you! |
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| 01:13.51 | siery | you know whats that free alternative to gif? |
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| 01:15.19 | siery | sorry guys, wrong room, but if any one know's so you are welcome to say ^^ |
| 01:16.01 | jelly | siery: what's non-free about gif? |
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| 01:18.01 | nevyn | siery: png |
| 01:18.21 | jelly | > The United States LZW patent expired on 20 June 2003.[37] The counterpart patents in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy expired on 18 June 2004, the Japanese counterpart patents expired on 20 June 2004, and the counterpart Canadian patent expired on 7 July 2004.[37] Consequently, while Unisys has further patents and patent applications relating to improvements to the LZW technique,[37] the GIF format may now be used freely.[38] |
| 01:19.13 | themill | (also, everything beyond helloworld.c is covered by some patent somewhere) |
| 01:19.35 | nevyn | suspects gnu helloworld infringes something |
| 01:19.37 | jelly | don't ask, don't tell? |
| 01:20.04 | siery | oh, is it.. i was looking for something less have for pixel graphics in small game |
| 01:20.09 | Cloudstrike | jelly, i have the same problem with bonding balancing on lacp xD |
| 01:20.39 | themill | siery: PNG is a better format in any case for decent quality graphics |
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| 01:21.09 | jelly | Cloudstrike: make sure you've configure the switch correctly for lacp and 802.3ad |
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| 01:23.47 | simonlnu | prefers png based on the quality and compression issues |
| 01:24.30 | simonlnu | if you want animated pix, use mng ;p |
| 01:24.42 | Cloudstrike | yeah it is configured correctly, if not then i cannot access the server i guess. |
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| 01:25.41 | jelly | Cloudstrike: that sadly doesn't mean it's configured correctly. Might be just one port even w/o lacp. |
| 01:25.55 | jelly | .xpm is best format! |
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| 01:26.23 | cherry_lin | where can I get current .config for kernel I use in case I didn't build it? |
| 01:26.24 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 01:26.32 | cherry_lin | e.g. downloaded from debian repo |
| 01:26.39 | simonlnu | cherry_lin: /proc/config.gz |
| 01:26.43 | cherry_lin | thank you |
| 01:27.01 | jelly | xbill uses .xpm!! |
| 01:27.03 | cherry_lin | tough no such file or directory |
| 01:27.11 | simonlnu | it 'lives' in kernel memory land. |
| 01:27.25 | jelly | cherry_lin: debian packaged kernels have /boot/config* |
| 01:27.29 | simonlnu | oh, they removed it |
| 01:27.49 | simonlnu | just checked his kernel |
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| 01:27.53 | cherry_lin | jelly: this one works, thank you |
| 01:28.38 | Cloudstrike | you're right, but as i see everything looks fine, lacp mode is active on the switch (not my first time i set something like this up) and this is still crazy, i should hate new stuff, maybe i should install debian wheezy |
| 01:29.11 | siery | hmm.. png was not developed by GNU? |
| 01:29.15 | rgr | Im trying to clean up my dev laptop a little bit and one thing I want to remove/have removed are extraneous java jdks. My Q is about java-1.5.0-gcj : I dont think I am using it but am guessing it might have been installed as a default. I read its a gcc front end. Safe to remove or not? (im using openjdk 8 now and all oracle and older open jdks Ive removed) |
| 01:29.43 | Lionyx | Hello guys! I often use dpkg-reconfigure console-setup to configure my console. But all options give 16 colors (i guess) and this is all bold or no bold at all. How do I set it to behave like xterm?? I mean, 256 colors and boldness when needed? |
| 01:30.07 | markybob | siery, no |
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| 01:30.39 | rgr | get what to behave like xterm? |
| 01:31.25 | Lionyx | tty console |
| 01:31.25 | Lionyx | I mean colors on tty console. |
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| 01:34.13 | simonlnu | rgr: most definitely remove 1.5 |
| 01:34.31 | simonlnu | it's unsupported pretty much anywhere TMK |
| 01:35.21 | jelly | Cloudstrike: no ideas then, ask ##networking maybe? |
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| 01:39.14 | jelly | Lionyx: you can only get 256 colors with a framebuffer console, and fb console is not really that optimized -- running an xterm fullscreen in X is _faster_ than that. |
| 01:39.40 | jelly | so... don't bother |
| 01:39.44 | Lionyx | sorry i got disconnected |
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| 01:40.10 | Lionyx | jelly: ok cool =) |
| 01:40.13 | Lionyx | tks |
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| 01:41.48 | jelly | Lionyx: I confess I did not try terminal apps for the framebuffer, like fbterm |
| 01:42.00 | siery | can you tell me the good format i may use for icons at debian ? |
| 01:42.36 | markybob | siery, svg |
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| 01:43.17 | jelly | drawing vectors is HARD |
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| 01:43.44 | siery | yes it is jelly, you need freelancer? ^^ |
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| 01:52.03 | dymk | hello, when forwarding port 80 to a VM on an internal bridge, I can no longer connect to websites (port 80 going out seems to break) |
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| 01:52.50 | beepie | dymk, thats cuse you did the rule on onpostrouting rather than prerouting |
| 01:52.54 | beepie | dymk, just a guess |
| 01:52.57 | dymk | beepie: hm perhaps |
| 01:53.06 | dymk | beepie: so I tried setting up openvswitch, too |
| 01:53.07 | beepie | dymk, hmm check |
| 01:53.23 | dymk | that i could not get working; the documentation was kinda heavy |
| 01:53.32 | beepie | dymk, then you should know forwarding inside-out if you're using ovs |
| 01:53.46 | beepie | dymk, what's the nat rule? |
| 01:53.48 | dymk | oh I'm not, i abandoned using ovs |
| 01:53.55 | dymk | -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.10.2:80 |
| 01:54.10 | dymk | and |
| 01:54.11 | dymk | -A INPUT -i xenbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 01:54.26 | dymk | that first one is on nat, the second is on filter |
| 01:54.53 | beepie | dymk, you're forgetting a snat rule |
| 01:55.04 | beepie | dymk, you need to do traffic going out for the vm as well |
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| 01:55.24 | cactusbin | hello, I mounted one of my non-root filesystems today and it is not showing any files |
| 01:55.38 | beepie | dymk, you should be using "-i <interface> with the dnat rule |
| 01:55.41 | cactusbin | but df still shows the partition being used up |
| 01:55.43 | dymk | beepie: alright I'll look into that |
| 01:55.51 | beepie | dymk, those 2 things |
| 01:55.56 | dymk | full iptables-save, for what it's worth |
| 01:55.57 | dymk | https://paste.debian.net/366733/ |
| 01:56.12 | dymk | beepie: the -i <eth> should be the external interface on the box, yes? |
| 01:56.27 | beepie | dymk, y |
| 01:57.01 | beepie | dymk, i see you're already using masquerade |
| 01:57.09 | dymk | indeed |
| 01:57.10 | beepie | dymk, so that is being used instead of snat |
| 01:57.32 | dymk | Should I not be using masquerade if I set up snat rules? |
| 01:57.33 | beepie | dymk, well then you'll need to use some dynamic dns thing i guess to tell you where your server is located |
| 01:57.49 | dymk | the server has a static IP |
| 01:57.49 | beepie | dymk, if your wanip changes snat may be slightly faster -- you'll barely notice |
| 01:58.15 | beepie | dymk, -j MASQUERADE is used when the wanip is dynamic |
| 01:58.24 | beepie | dymk, otherwise snat is preferred |
| 01:58.38 | dymk | it sounds like snat is optional here then, and masquerade should be doing the job though? |
| 01:59.31 | beepie | dymk, you're already using things with -o , |
| 01:59.45 | mystica555 | is there a limit to the number of 'same interfaces' that can have multiple ips within /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:59.49 | beepie | dymk, they're the same thing, it's just that snat requires to use an "ip' address |
| 01:59.57 | mystica555 | ive enumerated 5 total IPs to the file; only 2 are being set on eth0. im not certain why,. |
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| 02:00.13 | dymk | ah, in that case I'm not sure what I'm misconfiguring :/ |
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| 02:00.38 | beepie | dymk, i explained you can substitute, delete the masq rule and use snat instead (if you want to) -- as it could be slightly faster |
| 02:00.44 | beepie | dymk, since the wanip does not change |
| 02:01.01 | beepie | dymk, snat syntax differs that you need to specify the static ip |
| 02:01.33 | beepie | dymk, man iptables-extensions |
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| 02:02.33 | jelly | wouldn't just a dnat be enough there? |
| 02:02.48 | dymk | So, lets say that I'd rather just stick with masq, and I don't care about the slight speedup |
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| 02:03.23 | beepie | dymk, the syntax is slight, but the requirement may be different last time i did long while ago |
| 02:03.45 | beepie | dymk, it should be fine |
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| 02:04.09 | beepie | dymk, but i see other issues, you should ask on #networking |
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| 02:04.46 | dymk | with that iptables configuration, I can ssh in and see that port 80 has something running on it, but I can't use wget |
| 02:04.47 | beepie | (see policies) |
| 02:04.52 | dymk | network connections just time out |
| 02:05.03 | beepie | (man iptables-extensions -P ) |
| 02:05.22 | beepie | (actually -P is defined in man iptables) |
| 02:05.33 | beepie | why the manpages became split only is a nuissance |
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| 02:06.55 | beepie | dymk, use the same rule of thumb of course, , -o or -i as necessary to help with NAT |
| 02:08.59 | dymk | using eth0 seems to have fixed it - although I'd prefer traffic would go through eth1 |
| 02:09.05 | dymk | but, hey, i'll take what I can get :) |
| 02:10.11 | mystica555 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.18 | mystica555 | as no IPs past the first 2 show up |
| 02:10.19 | mystica555 | ever |
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| 02:10.48 | jelly | mystica555: it should really be just "1" |
| 02:11.11 | mystica555 | jelly: then how precisely am i supposed to configure 5 ips on 1 interface "the iproute2 way" without eth0:x |
| 02:11.26 | jelly | mystica555: post-up ip a add |
| 02:11.36 | mystica555 | huh? |
| 02:11.41 | mystica555 | that sounds nonsensical |
| 02:12.04 | mystica555 | if there is a configuration file for networking, it had better just work with 0, 1, MANY |
| 02:12.06 | mystica555 | not 0, 1, 2 |
| 02:12.06 | nevyn | mystica555: in the post-up script or as a post-up instruction in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:12.20 | nevyn | run ip address add <IP> |
| 02:12.26 | nevyn | as many times as you like |
| 02:12.35 | mystica555 | that does not allow for easy programmatic looping to generate a file when provisioning a vm |
| 02:12.46 | nevyn | mystica555: post-up.d |
| 02:12.46 | jelly | mystica555: post-up ip addr add a.b.c.d/mask dev ethfoo |
| 02:12.59 | nevyn | is there a post-up.d |
| 02:13.15 | mystica555 | nevyn: who actually codes the network script that reads /etc/network/interfaces because i dont think they are doing it right. |
| 02:13.25 | jelly | mystica555: you want easy and programmatic, keep using eth0:X aliases |
| 02:13.36 | mystica555 | i hate eth0:x aliasesx |
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| 02:13.59 | nevyn | jelly: they are nasty |
| 02:14.09 | jelly | it's not _that_ hard to add a couple more post-up (or just up) and pre-down (or down) lines |
| 02:14.58 | jelly | nevyn: I agree, but we're dealing with someone that doesn't want to code different cases for 1 address and 2 or more addresses. |
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| 02:16.17 | jelly | mystica555: interfaces was never supposed to have duplicate stanzas, I think. It's a wonder why two worked. |
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| 02:17.15 | nevyn | ipv6 |
| 02:18.25 | mystica555 | [22:10:02] <nkuttler> mystica555: you can have multipe config blocks for the same interface |
| 02:18.32 | mystica555 | so im not sure if he was wrong, or what, but it seemed to work to a point |
| 02:18.57 | dymk | beepie: got it working, thanks for your help :) |
| 02:19.45 | mystica555 | jelly: i prefer 'many'; if i am forced to do '1, many' then i'll do that, but i was hoping only el6 would force me to do such archaic crap |
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| 02:20.12 | ranix | yo, is anyone aware of an issue in Jessie whereby sysvinit scripts are no longer automatically started on startup after installing upstart |
| 02:20.30 | themill | ranix: /msg dpkg pal me |
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| 02:20.37 | ranix | awesome, thanks a bunch themill |
| 02:20.43 | themill | hides |
| 02:20.51 | ranix | lol |
| 02:20.57 | themill | you must be about the only person trying that |
| 02:21.29 | ranix | there are lots of people talking about this happening with ubuntu and I've replicated it twice on two separate Debian machines now so it's definitely a bug |
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| 02:22.10 | jelly | ranix: clearly you need to use runit or s6, instead |
| 02:22.13 | ranix | right now on Jessie if you install Upstart, cron will not start on startup |
| 02:22.18 | ranix | off a fresh install |
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| 02:22.23 | nevyn | jelly: apparently you can have multiple iface sections |
| 02:22.32 | nevyn | according to https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 02:22.39 | nevyn | the section for multiple ip's |
| 02:23.59 | jelly | nevyn: you can have a "iface eth0 inet static" and "iface eth0 inet6 manual" sure, but... |
| 02:24.11 | jelly | nevyn: that part is highly suspicious |
| 02:24.24 | jelly | both "auto eth0" and "allow-hotplug eth0" at the same time? |
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| 02:24.48 | jelly | and multiple "iface eth0 inet static"? |
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| 02:26.13 | jelly | OTOH I can confirm both eth0:47 and " up for i in {10..99}; do ip a add 10.9.$i.1/24 dev eth1; done " work |
| 02:26.56 | cra1g321 | why is aptitude not going to install the two packages ? http://paste.debian.net/366735/ |
| 02:27.18 | jelly | ranix: yah it's a bug, but configuring upstart was never an out of the box deal on debian |
| 02:28.07 | ranix | jelly: yeah, it doesn't seem to work in ubuntu either considering some of the replies to these bugs |
| 02:28.23 | ranix | jelly: I think I might be able to fix it with a dpkg-reconfigure of the affected packages |
| 02:28.56 | ranix | the upstart-bridge is definitely broken though and it's supposed to work |
| 02:29.07 | ranix | upstart sysvinit backwards compatibility is def. broken |
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| 02:30.16 | jelly | shrugs |
| 02:30.21 | themill | cra1g321: they were recommended and not installed prior to the upgrade and so they will remain recommended but not installed afterwards |
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| 02:31.49 | mystica555 | nevyn: hm so im doing the iproute2 method but interspersing dns-nameservers between each and each has a gateway .. i'll attempt now putting dns-nameservers, but not gateway. |
| 02:32.15 | mystica555 | cos i had no nameservers when i didn't duplicate dns-nameservers along the entire chain of ifaces |
| 02:32.24 | cra1g321 | themill, ahright, i tried -r "--with-recommends" but same message |
| 02:32.34 | jelly | mystica555: you should only have a single default gateway. |
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| 02:33.44 | mystica555 | jelly: thats probably the kicker then. didnt think itd complain if they were all 'the same gateway' |
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| 02:34.58 | jelly | previously, when ifupdown ran on nettools, you'd have ended up with a crapload of routes for 0.0.0.0/0, with same metric |
| 02:35.18 | jelly | (even if that's not supposed to be possible) |
| 02:35.49 | mystica555 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.07 | mystica555 | jelly: interesting |
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| 02:36.57 | jelly | "ip route" now doesn't allow you to do that, but it may still be possible with old "route" command |
| 02:37.06 | mystica555 | https://bpaste.net/show/45ad4b460e03 |
| 02:38.10 | jelly | can't read bash |
| 02:38.39 | jelly | is [[ $i = 0]] with that last space missing legit there? |
| 02:38.44 | mystica555 | its not |
| 02:38.54 | mystica555 | called a typo i fixed before pasting here, but then re-saw in the code when i pastebinned it there |
| 02:39.07 | mystica555 | and is now fixed in my saved file |
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| 02:40.48 | jelly | that still seems to make lots of "iface eth0 inet static" stanzas, instead of just one |
| 02:41.24 | mystica555 | yes, but without 'gateway' except on the first |
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| 02:41.37 | mystica555 | so it still appears to mostly match what the iproute2 example shows |
| 02:41.51 | mystica555 | closer now, without multiple gateways, but ,with multiple dns entries so that resolvconf 'gets it' |
| 02:42.05 | mystica555 | and now i try another test boot w/5 assigned ips |
| 02:42.18 | jelly | mystica555: I'd expect a case $i in 0) echo everything for the first ip ;; *) echo "up ip a add $IP/$CIDR dev eth0"; echo "down ..." ;; esac |
| 02:42.47 | mystica555 | jelly: that doesnt make logical sense to how i read a config file. |
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| 02:43.04 | mystica555 | if a config file allows for multiples, and its documented as such, why am i using 'workaround script commands' |
| 02:43.22 | mystica555 | (up {stuff here is a script workaround imhog}) |
| 02:43.23 | jelly | because this actually works? |
| 02:43.47 | mystica555 | im bound and determined to either report and get a bug fixed, or, figure out how to do it right :) |
| 02:44.09 | mystica555 | and 'doing it right' is not 'yes lets script individual ip add commands together' |
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| 02:44.43 | jelly | waiting for debian to 'do it right' can often take years |
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| 02:45.08 | mystica555 | i think debian has done it right, as per their wiki entry; i think im doing it almost right but just wrong enough |
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| 02:46.21 | jelly | well if you manage to make it work that way, I'd definitely appreciate a confirmation |
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| 02:53.28 | mystica555 | it does |
| 02:53.35 | mystica555 | let me wgetpaste the exact config file as it was created |
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| 02:59.33 | mystica555 | jelly: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/RYATsenMN4UlhN8vUJqo/ http://paste.pound-python.org/show/NfJHUcKvJWBP3dw9t6St |
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| 03:03.23 | jelly | thanks |
| 03:04.25 | mystica555 | jelly: yw |
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| 03:14.23 | doubletwist | In solaris 10 when doing IPv6, it's possible to use a token to request a specific address within the ipv6 subnet [ie. ifconfig qfe0 inet6 token ::1a:2b:3c:4d/64] - is it possible to do something similar in debian? |
| 03:14.46 | doubletwist | when getting addresses from another host running radvd |
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| 03:15.16 | Hello71 | networkmanager, ifupdown, systemd-networkd... |
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| 03:16.43 | doubletwist | I'm not talking about assigning a specific whole static IP |
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| 03:30.40 | brianmichel | Would anyone know why I'd be getting "failed to fetch" messages when trying to run apt-get install? I've ran apt-get update first without any errors |
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| 03:31.31 | brianmichel | this is on OS X El Capitan |
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| 03:36.03 | simonlnu | not supported |
| 03:36.13 | simonlnu | go see #osx |
| 03:36.26 | markybob | brianmichel, seriously...why would you think to ask in here? |
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| 03:37.18 | brianmichel | "if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it." |
| 03:37.19 | brianmichel | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 03:37.24 | blind | you said OS X |
| 03:37.40 | brianmichel | yeah, just figured i'd start here, thanks for the help y'all |
| 03:37.41 | blind | OS X is not Debian, it's not even Linux. |
| 03:37.42 | simonlnu | massive typo :P |
| 03:37.58 | simonlnu | it's just barely netbsd :P |
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| 03:38.37 | brianmichel | well either way, thanks! |
| 03:38.51 | simonlnu | good luck |
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| 03:39.05 | blind | I didn't even know OS X had apt-get? O_o |
| 03:39.24 | moonpunter | os x would be much better off with APT |
| 03:39.41 | simonlnu | probably in fink or such |
| 03:39.47 | moonpunter | instead there's an Apple Store |
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| 03:40.01 | moonpunter | which offers crap were real software might serve |
| 03:40.07 | simonlnu | where you get apples from |
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| 03:40.25 | simonlnu | but that's apples and oranges |
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| 03:41.20 | moonpunter | OS X is definitiely based on BSD, though, read more here; http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Articles/NeXTWORLD/ |
| 03:41.35 | simonlnu | i know |
| 03:42.30 | moonpunter | BSD could have easily had the prominence and support of Linux, except it was BSD ;) |
| 03:43.04 | moonpunter | i don't hate on them in any sense, i think ZFS is _neat_ |
| 03:43.51 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
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| 03:44.10 | simonlnu | onlu bsd i haven't tried yet is openbsd |
| 03:44.32 | simonlnu | only* |
| 03:44.42 | moonpunter | so you've tried "midnightBSD"? |
| 03:45.10 | simonlnu | oh no, that one, no. forgot about that one |
| 03:45.42 | moonpunter | eh, they have their own forking going on. which is weird, considering they number in the several dozens. |
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| 03:46.18 | simonlnu | i was just thinking of the 3 main ones only |
| 03:46.36 | moonpunter | free, net, open |
| 03:46.46 | simonlnu | yeah |
| 03:46.46 | moonpunter | i have a freebsd box running |
| 03:46.59 | simonlnu | great for networking |
| 03:47.15 | moonpunter | not ashamed of it. i always consider how MacOSX started with BSD, before i say anything about them. |
| 03:47.20 | simonlnu | though linux is catching up |
| 03:47.46 | moonpunter | i mean OSX is a THING these days |
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| 03:48.45 | moonpunter | at the same time, i can reboot that box into windows or haiku |
| 03:48.45 | simonlnu | especially when they dropped ppc support |
| 03:48.57 | moonpunter | yeah, i have a PPC mac in the office too |
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| 03:49.14 | moonpunter | an IMAC |
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| 03:49.46 | moonpunter | i think apple really believed PPC would catch on as an industry standard |
| 03:49.55 | moonpunter | or maybe they just wanted that hurdle for devs |
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| 03:50.18 | simonlnu | ppc has a lot going for it |
| 03:50.40 | simonlnu | x86 has resolved some of the drawbacks in the last few years |
| 03:50.59 | moonpunter | "PowerPC, as an evolving instruction set, has since 2006 been named Power ISA, while the old name naturally lives on, as a legacy trademark for some implementations of Power Architecture based processors, and in software package identifiers." |
| 03:51.26 | moonpunter | anyway i think they handled lack of RAM well |
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| 03:52.27 | tharkun | How common is ipv6 nowadays? |
| 03:52.50 | moonpunter | go figure: "IBM continues to develop PowerPC microprocessor cores for use in their application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC) offerings. Many high volume applications embed PowerPC cores." |
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| 03:53.18 | moonpunter | asic applciations generally don't wory about ram... lol |
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| 03:54.17 | moonpunter | anyway i've got that iMac up to OS X Tiger |
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| 03:54.24 | moonpunter | i can test random GTK ports on it' |
| 03:54.33 | moonpunter | just to see if they play nice in OS X |
| 03:54.49 | moonpunter | so it's still not scrapyard//ebay materail |
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| 03:55.34 | simonlnu | tharkun: um, get on it or get off the internet. it's going that way. ipv4 is being phased out. |
| 03:55.59 | moonpunter | "phased out" are big words in this case |
| 03:56.00 | simonlnu | that's cool |
| 03:56.27 | simonlnu | it's a long term thing. and yes, it's big words, but it is. |
| 03:56.29 | moonpunter | i think it will be 5-10 yaers before people are saying, "i can't access your ipv4 node" |
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| 03:57.24 | simonlnu | it'll happen, if the world's still got a global network :P j/k |
| 03:57.30 | moonpunter | i think ipv6 is a bit scary for some. it should be more obvious how simple of a switch it really is. |
| 03:57.38 | tharkun | simonlnu: Still how common is it nowadays. Not in twentee or thirty years. Now. |
| 03:58.09 | simonlnu | it's just a bit harder to wrap your head around those 128 bit addresses |
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| 03:59.00 | moonpunter | it's crazy that the first comp i ever coded on would not be able to use the modern web, let alone ipv6. peopel like me/my age permeate many fo the companies who are responsible. so that';s worth considering, i think, drunk and talkative as i am. |
| 03:59.00 | simonlnu | there's no NAT, but there's an equivalent, that actually works better |
| 03:59.20 | simonlnu | yup. and older. |
| 03:59.33 | simonlnu | i'm probably older ;p |
| 04:00.01 | tharkun | kids, shut up and drink your milk |
| 04:00.19 | markybob | or vodka. vodka makes everything better |
| 04:00.41 | markybob | it's kinda like bacon |
| 04:01.36 | moonpunter | i'm only 28 but i had computers young. mom was grateful for anything that kept me from asking where my father was. |
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| 04:01.37 | svetlana | eek |
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| 04:04.54 | simonlnu | i'm more than double that |
| 04:05.35 | simonlnu | ...seems i forgot maths. |
| 04:05.48 | moonpunter | Fuck |
| 04:05.53 | simonlnu | "twenty" |
| 04:05.57 | moonpunter | I would literally be a billionaire |
| 04:06.00 | svetlana | moonpunter: i think it's a debian channel, so no cursing please and just sharing random ideas is not for here... see if you can get it going at the #debian-offtopic channel |
| 04:06.38 | simonlnu | it's quiet, but yes, you're right. in general we're supposed to be chatting like this in -offtopic |
| 04:06.42 | moonpunter | I woudl have more money than Gates if I had grown up in his era. That is all. |
| 04:07.26 | moonpunter | I'm a maybe $100Kaire to his $70Bnaire |
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| 04:09.01 | morf | stop whining |
| 04:09.17 | moonpunter | Nope. |
| 04:09.30 | moonpunter | It's all I have! /s |
| 04:09.56 | morf | welcome to my ignore then |
| 04:10.10 | svetlana | that's a bit rude... |
| 04:10.25 | svetlana | how are we doing anyway |
| 04:10.43 | svetlana | moonpunter, see /msg |
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| 04:38.30 | aliasd | if you're a gates wannabe that sold your soul for $100k, there's nothing special about that |
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| 05:53.22 | rrva | where can I find gcc packages for jessie which are built with debug symbols enabled? |
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| 05:59.08 | quantic | rrva: And other related debug symbols for whatever else. |
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| 06:45.39 | stoned | Hello |
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| 06:46.08 | stoned | In default debian 8 xorg/xmonad setup, the screensaver or somtehign keeps blanking out my monitors every few minutes. How can I set this to off, so I can manually turn off monitris myself |
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| 06:54.11 | aliasd | stoned, you might want to look at your ps output to see which screensaver daemon might be running |
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| 06:57.37 | aliasd | ps auxww | grep -i screensa |
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| 06:58.52 | stoned | ok |
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| 07:00.13 | cpet | aliasd: xscreensa? |
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| 07:00.31 | aliasd | could be gnome-screensaver |
| 07:00.32 | cpet | not that it matters |
| 07:00.34 | aliasd | or anything |
| 07:01.06 | aliasd | I don't know what xmonad does |
| 07:01.34 | stoned | xset -dpms; xset s noblank; <- I did this |
| 07:01.52 | cpet | tiling wm? |
| 07:01.57 | stoned | yes |
| 07:02.06 | stoned | no desktop env. just a tiling wm |
| 07:02.11 | cpet | I use xfce |
| 07:02.19 | Ashleee | heya, is there an easy way to make a package install only on certain hardware? I could do pkgA | pkgB but I somehow need to tell it when to use B and when to use A (basically one master package with all the dependencies and based on whether it installs in master or container it (does not) install HW monitoring tools). Or is there no way? |
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| 07:02.58 | cpet | Ashleee: let me take a momment to decipher what you just said after taking a shot of whisky |
| 07:03.05 | cpet | Ashleee: I'll get back to you... |
| 07:03.11 | Ashleee | sorry :D |
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| 07:03.15 | Ashleee | making you into an alcoholic... |
| 07:03.40 | cpet | Ashleee: a shot a day doesn;t make you a alcoholic |
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| 07:04.17 | Ashleee | I did not expect to be the only one |
| 07:04.32 | aliasd | Ashleee, your deploy scripts should be able to do that, right? |
| 07:04.45 | Ashleee | and splitting it into let |
| 07:04.55 | Ashleee | and splitting it into let's say admins5 and admins5-hardware package? |
| 07:05.10 | Ashleee | where the -hardware one depends on all the HW tools |
| 07:05.14 | Ashleee | I wanted to avoid that |
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| 07:05.20 | aliasd | just set a var depending on if it is master or container and if varname = master then install hw tools |
| 07:05.38 | cpet | still not following heh |
| 07:06.03 | aliasd | you could export the variable and have the package install scripts read it, and pull extra stuff in if needed |
| 07:06.09 | Ashleee | also define "deploy scripts", we just reboot into freshly imaged system and install the package ourselves atm (different teams, different needs) |
| 07:06.13 | cpet | stoned: a tiling wm would somewaht be considered one |
| 07:06.19 | Ashleee | so... yeah, two packages |
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| 07:06.42 | aliasd | Ashleee, it soulds like you want to write scripts for deployment, bash scripts, to automate the process |
| 07:06.52 | cpet | Ashleee: you could make the container install package a on a and package b on b |
| 07:06.58 | aliasd | so person installing just runs script |
| 07:07.01 | aliasd | the rest is magic |
| 07:07.11 | Ashleee | heh |
| 07:07.13 | Ashleee | well |
| 07:07.17 | aliasd | later maybe, all you will have to do is send the script to the target, and it will run itself |
| 07:07.21 | Ashleee | that person might as well just run apt-get install admins5-hardware |
| 07:07.33 | Ashleee | as the rest is taken care of within the package itself |
| 07:07.45 | cpet | i personally would just create a local repo |
| 07:07.50 | cpet | and do a git clone yada yada |
| 07:07.54 | cpet | bit people do things diff |
| 07:08.02 | cpet | s/bit/but |
| 07:08.35 | Ashleee | ok so there is no easy way to just have one universal package without another one extending the first one (or similar) |
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| 07:09.10 | cpet | Ashleee: well you can have 1 package or many such as openssh-libs -bins -dev |
| 07:09.14 | aliasd | but what you want is for the installer to detect what type of install you are using, right? |
| 07:09.16 | cpet | or you could have just admins5 |
| 07:09.30 | cpet | i think what you want is a .bin |
| 07:09.45 | cpet | a script thatd etects x then downloads whatever and installs kinda like what the ati and nvidia scripts do |
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| 07:10.13 | Ashleee | no no, the installer just images the server with base image and reboots, we logon with default password, install our admins5 package with all the tools/keys/... and done. Then each CT gets the same package, but there's leftover packages like MegaCli etc |
| 07:10.31 | Ashleee | I wanted to avoid installing packages from postinst/scripts |
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| 07:11.09 | cpet | you could script all that |
| 07:11.12 | Ashleee | at that point I might just install admins5-openvz which Depends: admins5 and be done with it |
| 07:11.18 | cpet | possibly using a firstrun script |
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| 07:11.28 | UfwFTW | Morning all. |
| 07:11.34 | Ashleee | \o UfwFTW |
| 07:11.43 | cpet | but i don't use linux on the desktop to say much |
| 07:11.46 | UfwFTW | Is anyone able to help me with a command for UFW? Forums and Google have not helped me. I need to put a rule in UFW to only allow mail out on port 25 out to a specific smtp server's IP. |
| 07:12.05 | Ashleee | eh I will probably end up creating admins5-openvz and Depends: admins5, MegaCli, .... |
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| 07:12.50 | cpet | UfwFTW: ufw allow 25/tcp |
| 07:12.53 | cpet | doesnt work? |
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| 07:13.07 | cpet | ah I misread |
| 07:13.30 | Ashleee | anyway thanks and have a nice day (it is still early morning here :V) |
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| 07:13.40 | aliasd | sorry wasn't more help ashka |
| 07:13.46 | aliasd | whoops |
| 07:13.49 | cpet | same |
| 07:13.52 | mah454 | Hello |
| 07:14.03 | mah454 | I use debian testing , How can upgrade KDE plasma to new version ? |
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| 07:14.13 | mah454 | I can not found packages on testing repository ! |
| 07:14.15 | UfwFTW | Yeah, I have that, but Want it to go out to a specific smtp server only. :( I just cannot find the correct syntax/command :( |
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| 07:14.31 | cpet | UfwFTW: ufw allow from ip to any port 25 |
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| 07:15.12 | cpet | mah454: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 07:15.45 | UfwFTW | cpet, that would be from a specific Ip? not towards a specific IP ? |
| 07:15.57 | aliasd | iptables solution maybe? |
| 07:16.38 | cpet | UfwFTW: then from any to ip |
| 07:16.40 | mah454 | cpet: current installed this package : ii plasma-desktop 4:5.4.3-1 amd64 Tools and widgets for the desktop |
| 07:16.48 | mah454 | I want to install Plasma 5.5 |
| 07:18.05 | UfwFTW | I would have preferred a UFW solution. Something like: ufw allow to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to any port 25 or something. |
| 07:18.06 | cpet | mah454: mah454 if it's not in testing after doing that then its not in testing "yet" |
| 07:18.19 | cpet | UfwFTW: that would work |
| 07:18.45 | mah454 | cpet: release for testing ? |
| 07:18.50 | UfwFTW | I thought so. But it gives me errors of to many arguments. |
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| 07:19.55 | aliasd | UfwFTW, it would probably work fine in iptables though? |
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| 07:20.06 | cpet | aliasd: he wants to use ufs |
| 07:20.12 | cpet | let the man use what he wants |
| 07:20.16 | aliasd | so ufw only establishes a connection when you want it to |
| 07:20.50 | cpet | UfwFTW: reading the howto that would work |
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| 07:21.02 | earthworld | hey. after i load a module for a usb soundcard, snd-usb |
| 07:21.03 | UfwFTW | I'd use iptables in a perfect world, but the person I'm helping wants ufw. This is why I am grey. lol |
| 07:21.16 | earthworld | hey. after i load a module for a usb soundcard, snd-usb-audio, where should the card appear within /dev/ |
| 07:21.17 | aliasd | oh nvm |
| 07:21.31 | aliasd | I thought you were talking about a mta |
| 07:21.39 | cpet | earthworld: lsusb and find out ? |
| 07:21.46 | aliasd | not so good with 3la's |
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| 07:22.16 | UfwFTW | Seems there is no syntax for what I'm looking for. Which is weird. I should submit this to the dev's. |
| 07:22.27 | cpet | ok cross that |
| 07:22.37 | earthworld | cpet: thanks, lsusb shows bus 2 device 3, but there's no /dev/usb anymore.. |
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| 07:22.45 | earthworld | im not sure why |
| 07:22.54 | cpet | possibly didint detect anything |
| 07:23.11 | cpet | just cause it shows somethign doesnt mean the driver found it |
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| 07:23.47 | earthworld | ok.. how do i go about explicitly causing the driver to find the device |
| 07:24.11 | cpet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.12 | test1231 | there is a supported kodi package for debian? |
| 07:24.27 | earthworld | cpet: thanks bro |
| 07:24.29 | cpet | earthworld: learn to program in c ? |
| 07:24.38 | earthworld | cpet: hahahaha |
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| 07:24.47 | earthworld | i know c |
| 07:24.57 | earthworld | :) thanks for the suggestion |
| 07:24.57 | cpet | only way to force it to find you card is to put support for your card in |
| 07:25.12 | cpet | chances are it just needs the pci id in it |
| 07:25.23 | cpet | if your lucky if your not some actual code hacking would need to be done |
| 07:25.25 | earthworld | cpet: the card is supported. works ootb in three other distros |
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| 07:25.37 | earthworld | thanks mang |
| 07:25.48 | cpet | well debina 8 is old compared to most distros |
| 07:25.58 | cpet | possibly try a backported kernel? |
| 07:26.03 | OneM_Industries | Hey, so I am installing debian, and I want to make this box into a mailserver at some point. What option in the "Software selection" menu should I select? |
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| 07:26.15 | cpet | Mail server? |
| 07:26.24 | OneM_Industries | E-mail. |
| 07:26.34 | UfwFTW | Thanks cpet and aliasd. I'll have to try find ufw's dev's and drop them a mail. It looks like I'm fresh out of luck ;) |
| 07:26.36 | cpet | or after you install install postfix/dovecot/ etc.. |
| 07:26.51 | OneM_Industries | Small personal mailserver. |
| 07:27.04 | cpet | for email you have mutt, claws, thunderbird etc.. |
| 07:27.21 | cpet | I personally use webmail but whatever floats ya boat |
| 07:27.44 | OneM_Industries | I need to know which software install option I should choose. |
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| 07:28.08 | cpet | apt-get install postfix dovecot mutt thunderbird ? |
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| 07:28.39 | OneM_Industries | No, as in I have started a Debian install, and I am at the software install section. |
| 07:28.43 | earthworld | cpet: ok cool. i didnt realize the stable release lagged |
| 07:28.49 | earthworld | good to know. |
| 07:29.00 | cpet | earthworld: it lags a lot actually heh |
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| 07:29.18 | cpet | OneM_Industries: should have an option that says Mail Server or some damn thing |
| 07:29.24 | earthworld | im a longtime slackware user pretty new to debian |
| 07:29.32 | OneM_Industries | Should, but it doesn't. |
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| 07:29.49 | cpet | earthworld: msg |
| 07:30.05 | cpet | OneM_Industries: then worry about it after install |
| 07:30.14 | OneM_Industries | It has print server, web server, SSH server and standard system utilities, but I don't know which one to choose. |
| 07:30.34 | OneM_Industries | It also has a selection of desktop environments. |
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| 07:31.27 | OneM_Industries | Ah well, I choose webserver. Hope that was right! |
| 07:31.40 | cpet | that would install apache and basic LAMP |
| 07:31.46 | OneM_Industries | Ah. |
| 07:31.47 | cpet | doesnt matter just install them after |
| 07:31.57 | TTT | oy, who broken init system on Debian SID? I cannot boot. (sorry, #debian-next is invite only, can't go in there) |
| 07:32.06 | cpet | personally I wouldnt have a personal mail server on a residential ISP |
| 07:32.11 | cpet | but its up to you |
| 07:32.16 | OneM_Industries | Static IP. |
| 07:32.27 | cpet | most ISP IP are black listed making email auto toss to spam folders and most people dont look in there |
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| 07:32.34 | OneM_Industries | They don't. |
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| 07:33.00 | OneM_Industries | They don't block, fiddle, snoop, or do anything to any data, they just deliver it. |
| 07:33.02 | cpet | ISP add them to prevent users from do exactly what your doing |
| 07:33.12 | OneM_Industries | I asked them directly. |
| 07:33.27 | OneM_Industries | It is a small local ISP, so they are pretty good. |
| 07:33.28 | cpet | in that case ignore what I said and continue to install it after you install |
| 07:33.35 | OneM_Industries | Ok. |
| 07:33.51 | OneM_Industries | Thank you anyway! |
| 07:33.53 | OneM_Industries | :) |
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| 07:36.46 | elwisp | I ha vea problem, i cannot configure network interfaces from command line on the installmedium. I got the conf laid down but there is no service command no init.d scripts, no ifconfig |
| 07:36.54 | elwisp | how can i bring the conf up? |
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| 07:44.26 | cpet | elwisp: the setup should set it up if it finds something |
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| 08:00.16 | elwisp | cpet: well it complains about the gateway being in another subnet, which is wierd |
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| 08:00.31 | elwisp | because i have done this a milion times before and it has always been working |
| 08:00.37 | cpet | what are the ips |
| 08:00.51 | elwisp | And since i have no ifconfig there is no way to force it |
| 08:01.09 | cpet | so no /sbin.ifconfig ? |
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| 08:01.56 | elwisp | ip is 212.83.157.x on the guest and the gw is 195.154.77.1 |
| 08:02.03 | elwisp | nope |
| 08:02.15 | cpet | well |
| 08:02.19 | cpet | thats is normal |
| 08:02.25 | cpet | two diff ip = 2 diff subnets |
| 08:02.40 | elwisp | it cant reach the GW |
| 08:02.54 | cpet | load up routed and it will |
| 08:03.06 | elwisp | routed? |
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| 08:03.19 | cpet | in theory most ips cant only see other ip in the same subnet |
| 08:03.30 | cpet | you would need routed or a routerd to have it see other ips |
| 08:03.46 | cpet | you can test this theory by adding one pc with 192.168.5.x and 192.168.6.x |
| 08:03.48 | elwisp | well, i have tried to add the GW with route add |
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| 08:04.22 | elwisp | still no go, drives me insane, because allt he vms that is currently running is on the same config |
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| 08:04.34 | cpet | well im not network admin but thats what I know |
| 08:04.59 | cpet | using routed would fix this |
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| 08:05.05 | cpet | but I am unsure of setup |
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| 08:06.55 | elwisp | I will try to bridge it with another nic and install it over nat and then switch over |
| 08:06.58 | elwisp | should work |
| 08:07.41 | cpet | running routed would work as well |
| 08:07.55 | cpet | basically makes your pc as a router |
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| 08:17.00 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 08:17.09 | cpet | hi |
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| 08:18.02 | OneM_Industries | I am back. I have another issue. My CPU does not support PAE, and it looks like debian is not starting up due to this. Any ideas? |
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| 08:20.19 | cpet | I would think the kernel would do it's thing when it detects > 4g |
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| 08:20.30 | cpet | if it needs it regardless is well kinda pointless |
| 08:21.31 | OneM_Industries | The machine only has 1GB ram, so that shouldn't be an issue. |
| 08:21.55 | cpet | seems like it is if it wont boot due to it |
| 08:21.57 | OneM_Industries | I am sitting here with a black screen after booting into debian. |
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| 08:22.55 | cpet | i would of thought it didint install a pae kernel |
| 08:22.59 | cpet | i dont have it |
| 08:23.21 | OneM_Industries | Odd. |
| 08:23.34 | OneM_Industries | Let me check the grub settings. |
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| 08:24.51 | OneM_Industries | Debian GNU/LINUX, with Linux 3.16.0-4-686-PAE. Seems like it wanted a PAE machine. |
| 08:25.30 | in1t3r | what is needed for a linux to be installed on the NAND flash internal memory on minipc? |
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| 08:26.43 | cpet | in1t3r: nothing it would be installed like if it's was a USB thumb drive or SSD |
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| 08:27.17 | cpet | OneM_Industries: should of install the non pae |
| 08:27.26 | OneM_Industries | I thought I did. |
| 08:27.38 | OneM_Industries | Where would I find that? |
| 08:29.07 | darxmurf | what's the solution to allow "spaces" in backup path with rsnapshot 1.3.1 ?! |
| 08:29.18 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, there are the 586 images... |
| 08:29.21 | cpet | put the name in "" |
| 08:29.48 | Iridos | *kernel images |
| 08:30.04 | OneM_Industries | Where would I find that? |
| 08:30.07 | darxmurf | I tried "" '' \<space> ? . |
| 08:30.13 | cpet | apt-cache search *kernel* |
| 08:30.21 | OneM_Industries | Er... |
| 08:30.35 | cpet | install those and then boot that kernel |
| 08:30.38 | OneM_Industries | I cannot even get debian to load on this machine. |
| 08:30.52 | cpet | then reinstall |
| 08:30.53 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, I guess the installer used that as the kernel, and you could boot the installer? |
| 08:31.10 | Iridos | cpet, and what would reinstalling do? |
| 08:31.13 | OneM_Industries | Maybe, but I just installed and that install is not working. |
| 08:31.16 | cpet | if it was a new install easier to just reinstall than to boot and tinker with it |
| 08:31.42 | Iridos | you mean... repeat the same install, end up with a not-booting system a 2nd time? |
| 08:31.44 | Iridos | sounds pleasant |
| 08:31.55 | cpet | one way to learn is trial and error |
| 08:32.12 | Iridos | sounded like you suggested learning by error and error and error, though |
| 08:32.17 | cpet | going thorugh install and changing the kernel is possible |
| 08:32.24 | OneM_Industries | I have been through 12 install tries, if you count ubuntu-server. |
| 08:32.50 | OneM_Industries | Much more of this, and I am going to go after this box with a hatchet. |
| 08:32.59 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, I think you can use the installer as a rescue disk. look around for options in that... then try "boot into the system on disk" if that is available |
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| 08:33.12 | OneM_Industries | Ok. |
| 08:33.38 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, I am not a 100% sure that will not switch kernel, but most likely you will be in a completely normal system, just with the kernel from the installer disk |
| 08:33.47 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, are you sure that it is PAE? |
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| 08:34.06 | OneM_Industries | That the current kernel is PAE? Yes. |
| 08:34.10 | Iridos | did you install a graphical interface that might crash at boot? do you see kernel messages from the boot process? |
| 08:34.21 | Iridos | no, that PAE is the cause of your failed boot |
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| 08:34.58 | OneM_Industries | I selected the webserver install when asked during the software selection part of the install. |
| 08:35.33 | OneM_Industries | And I saw some boot messages, which disappeared rapidly, then it went to a black screen. |
| 08:35.53 | OneM_Industries | Ah ha, rescue mode. |
| 08:35.53 | Iridos | so you didn't install X? |
| 08:36.00 | OneM_Industries | I do not think so. |
| 08:36.18 | OneM_Industries | I have entered rescue mode. |
| 08:36.22 | Iridos | then I also think trying the older kernel is a good shot |
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| 08:36.48 | OneM_Industries | Ok, that would be with " apt-cache search *kernel* "? |
| 08:37.05 | Iridos | you can |
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| 08:37.20 | Iridos | err |
| 08:37.23 | Iridos | actually that's wrong |
| 08:37.32 | Iridos | the kernel packages are called linux-image |
| 08:37.35 | Iridos | and you should see this: |
| 08:37.35 | OneM_Industries | Ok. |
| 08:37.37 | Iridos | linux-image-3.16.0-4-586 - Linux 3.16 for older PCs |
| 08:37.53 | Iridos | well and the 686-pae |
| 08:38.07 | OneM_Industries | Ok, so I want to execute a shell in /dev/sda1? |
| 08:38.17 | Iridos | ? |
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| 08:39.06 | Iridos | execute a shell in a disk partition?? |
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| 08:39.19 | OneM_Industries | Enter rescue mode: Rescue operations: Execute a shell in /dev/sda1, execute a shell in the installer environment, reinstall GRUB boot loader |
| 08:39.26 | OneM_Industries | And a couple others. |
| 08:39.30 | Iridos | ah... yes |
| 08:39.39 | OneM_Industries | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.49 | Iridos | if that's your root partition |
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| 08:39.56 | OneM_Industries | Ok. |
| 08:40.02 | OneM_Industries | Yes, it is. |
| 08:40.10 | Iridos | you may have to remout the root partition read-write, dunno |
| 08:40.19 | Iridos | mount / -o remount,rw |
| 08:40.35 | Iridos | and maybe start networking manually |
| 08:40.47 | OneM_Industries | Ok, how do I do that? |
| 08:41.05 | Iridos | on jessie? ha |
| 08:41.30 | Iridos | probably still with /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 08:41.42 | Iridos | or possibly with a lot of fiddling... but maybe it's all up already |
| 08:41.51 | OneM_Industries | Done. |
| 08:42.01 | Iridos | it's not like I boot into rescue mode every day... (or week or even month) |
| 08:42.02 | OneM_Industries | Configuring network interfaces...done. |
| 08:42.05 | Iridos | then you should be able to just do apt-get install linux-image-3.16.0-4-586 |
| 08:42.16 | Iridos | well, you could have first checked if it's not already up :) |
| 08:42.22 | Iridos | anyway /me needs a coffee |
| 08:42.23 | OneM_Industries | I have networking. |
| 08:42.27 | Iridos | biab |
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| 08:45.38 | OneM_Industries | Er, it wants a disk labeled "Debian GNU/LINUX 8.2.0 _Jessie_ -Official i386 CD Binary-1 20150906-10:02"... |
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| 08:47.28 | lowin | Hello, How can I remove gnome3 comepletely and switch to xfce4? |
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| 08:48.10 | lowin | Is there a meta package I can purge to remove gnome? |
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| 08:49.31 | cpet | lowin: remove the debian-desktop and install debian-desktop-x |
| 08:49.35 | cpet | I think would do that |
| 08:49.49 | cpet | then do apt-get autoremove |
| 08:49.58 | cpet | however that will remove all that is not required |
| 08:50.02 | OneM_Industries | Anyone know why it is asking for that disk? |
| 08:50.17 | OneM_Industries | I don't even know what that disk is.. |
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| 08:51.11 | lowin | cpet, debian-desktop package doesn't seem to exist. I'm running stable |
| 08:51.16 | DrunkMethAddict | Hello |
| 08:51.39 | DrunkMethAddict | i'm so drunk I forgot how to do meth |
| 08:51.40 | cpet | lowin: i dont know it was a long shot |
| 08:51.41 | nwe | sexigt :) |
| 08:51.52 | lowin | cpet, haha ok. thanks |
| 08:51.58 | cpet | DrunkMethAddict: the dewd behind the alley sells it yo |
| 08:52.18 | cpet | DrunkMethAddict: while your out buying buy me a 6 pack plz |
| 08:52.56 | OneM_Industries | Iridos: When you get back, I have another question. |
| 08:53.04 | DrunkMethAddict | LMFAO |
| 08:53.16 | DrunkMethAddict | but how do i consume it |
| 08:53.21 | nhyk | DrunkMethAddict, as long as you dont die from injecting 3 marijuanas like my friend, everything is okay |
| 08:53.27 | DrunkMethAddict | do I shove it up my nose |
| 08:53.31 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cdrom lines... actually that disk should be the one you used as rescue disc... but ... |
| 08:53.37 | lowin | should I just go ahead and apt-get purge gnome* ? |
| 08:53.42 | cpet | DrunkMethAddict: you can snort it heat it up in a spoon or inject it |
| 08:53.47 | DrunkMethAddict | you dont inject weed, you smoke it up your ass like Obama the great fag does |
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| 08:54.00 | cpet | DrunkMethAddict: however if you inject it it will leave a rather large mark so snorting it is best |
| 08:54.02 | OneM_Industries | I am using a LiveUSB . |
| 08:54.02 | DrunkMethAddict | oh hi |
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| 08:56.00 | OneM_Industries | IT LIVES! |
| 08:56.06 | OneM_Industries | Thank you! |
| 08:56.12 | OneM_Industries | Unpacking! |
| 08:56.38 | cpet | you moving ? |
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| 08:57.01 | OneM_Industries | No, apt-get is unpacking. |
| 08:57.06 | cpet | heh |
| 08:57.09 | Iridos | lowin, our bot has some info... /msg dpkg install xfc4 |
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| 08:58.11 | OneM_Industries | Cross your fingers, rebooting! |
| 08:58.40 | Iridos | lowin, you probably want to do that first... and then it depends what meta-packages you have installed... possibly just "apt-get remove gnome" is enough (and you should still check the list of packages that gives you for things that you never intended to remove) |
| 08:58.49 | OneM_Industries | Loading, please wait... < The best thing I have seen all day... |
| 08:59.31 | OneM_Industries | And black screen. Dang. |
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| 08:59.57 | cpet | OneM_Industries: if you installed a new kernel |
| 09:00.04 | cpet | it would still use the old kernel as default |
| 09:00.05 | Iridos | so... maybe not pae :P |
| 09:00.10 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, try to ssh into it |
| 09:00.11 | cpet | you need to sslect the new kernel from the menu |
| 09:00.18 | OneM_Industries | I selected the kernel in grub. |
| 09:00.34 | cpet | in that case ignore what I said above |
| 09:00.44 | OneM_Industries | I wonder... |
| 09:00.55 | Iridos | or at least try to ping it |
| 09:01.00 | OneM_Industries | ssh: connect to host 192.168.11.10 port 22: Connection refused |
| 09:01.18 | OneM_Industries | I can ping it. |
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| 09:01.21 | Iridos | hm, does it have sshd? |
| 09:01.22 | cpet | debian default to running ssh? |
| 09:01.39 | cpet | OneM_Industries: is this a laptop? |
| 09:01.52 | OneM_Industries | No, a desktop from the dark ages. |
| 09:02.07 | Iridos | I don't know... if there's no sshd by default, I usually install it so quickly that there's no difference to a default thing |
| 09:02.10 | cpet | could be it doesnt support the gfx card |
| 09:02.36 | OneM_Industries | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.44 | cpet | but then again if that was the case you would get no console output or bios |
| 09:02.45 | OneM_Industries | Er... |
| 09:02.55 | OneM_Industries | What the.... |
| 09:03.02 | OneM_Industries | Something is happening... |
| 09:03.17 | cpet | computer is making a ticking sound? |
| 09:03.21 | cpet | i would suggest you run |
| 09:03.23 | Iridos | not necessarily... sometimes the boot process switches to some higher-resolution text display |
| 09:03.23 | cpet | and fast |
| 09:03.24 | cpet | :) |
| 09:03.31 | OneM_Industries | It may have just booted, let me try a ssh. |
| 09:03.56 | cpet | if you can ssh in do a dmesg to see what it did |
| 09:04.05 | cpet | i doubt you can though |
| 09:04.06 | OneM_Industries | The HDD is making happy working HDD noises.. |
| 09:04.20 | cpet | could be the PC is just slow and loading the kernel |
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| 09:04.54 | cpet | ATA33 is slow |
| 09:05.08 | OneM_Industries | IT LIVES!!! |
| 09:05.15 | OneM_Industries | I have a login prompt!! |
| 09:05.23 | cpet | stop making linux resemble frankenstein :( |
| 09:05.27 | OneM_Industries | Thank you! A thousand thank yous! |
| 09:05.39 | OneM_Industries | After today, meh! |
| 09:05.54 | nhyk | I think i need some hints .. Where should i look if my brightness and contrast settings (set with nvidia-settings) gets reset to "0" when I play a html5 video (youtube) for the first time after boot? only happens on first html5 video after boot ... happens on stable and testing |
| 09:05.55 | Iridos | but that may mean that it would have worked with the other kernel, too |
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| 09:06.22 | cpet | Iridos: patieince is a virtue or something |
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| 09:06.45 | Iridos | I thought it's a card game |
| 09:06.48 | OneM_Industries | Maybe, but hey. |
| 09:06.56 | cpet | it works so |
| 09:06.59 | cpet | lets party |
| 09:07.46 | OneM_Industries | I have a command prompt. WHOO! |
| 09:08.18 | Iridos | nhyk, that doesn't seem to make any sense... so no idea. you could try to find something in debian bug reports at bugs.debian.org ... next question would be for what packages, though... |
| 09:08.29 | Iridos | nhyk, is that even independent of the browser? |
| 09:10.17 | Iridos | ok, time for productivity... see you |
| 09:10.35 | OneM_Industries | See you! Thank you! |
| 09:10.37 | nhyk | Iridos, sometimes the easiest hints are the hardest to find lol, let me restart and try with another browser, maybe it's a iceweasel thing .. brb |
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| 09:13.14 | Guest54108 | hello :) a debian desperate here, wifi, /etc/interfaces no joy |
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| 09:14.55 | nhyk | Iridos, exact same thing with chromium too ... so its not a browser thing :( |
| 09:16.15 | OneM_Industries | Odd. I just tried sudo apt-get install sshd, but it returned -bash: sudo: command not found. Any ideas? |
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| 09:16.34 | jelly | OneM_Industries: if you want sudo, install it |
| 09:16.39 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, apt-get install sudo? |
| 09:16.46 | jelly | it's not necessarily there by default |
| 09:16.56 | OneM_Industries | Tried, it says I am not root. |
| 09:16.59 | Iridos | OneM_Industries, there's "su", but you have to install and configure sudo |
| 09:17.05 | OneM_Industries | Ooh. |
| 09:17.08 | jelly | use "su -" with root's password. |
| 09:17.27 | OneM_Industries | Ah, ok. |
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| 09:17.53 | Iridos | not everyone wants sudo... and it may not even be a good idea security-wise to use it |
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| 09:18.46 | OneM_Industries | Oh? |
| 09:19.04 | Iridos | well, it may... or it may not. |
| 09:19.08 | OneM_Industries | Just wondering, why would it be a security issue? |
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| 09:19.43 | jelly | easier escalation to root if malware wanted it for some reason |
| 09:19.53 | Iridos | you (can) enable root-access to a user who doesn't have the root password |
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| 09:20.09 | OneM_Industries | Oh. Probably not a good idea to do that on a mailserver then. |
| 09:20.25 | Iridos | which isn't an "issue", but quite a change |
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| 09:20.44 | OneM_Industries | Odd, it doesn't want to start networking for some reason. |
| 09:20.59 | Iridos | and there might be ways to exploit that sudo doesn't ask for a password when you had entered it some short time before |
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| 09:22.02 | Iridos | like some instructions telling you to install some regular packages as root first, then run their script as a normal user, but the script calls sudo |
| 09:22.16 | Iridos | but you looked into that script anyway, so you would have noticed in either case, right? |
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| 09:22.59 | OneM_Industries | Maybe. |
| 09:23.29 | OneM_Industries | eth0 not configured... |
| 09:23.32 | OneM_Industries | What the.. |
| 09:23.32 | KeithW | ftp-master.debian.org seems to be down -- do people here know the right place to see if this is known? |
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| 09:25.06 | kedare | My file works fine in older debian bug I get syntax errors when trying to use it on Debian 8 |
| 09:25.26 | JyZyXEL | whats the difference between "auto" and "x-systemd.automount" in /etc/fstab? |
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| 09:26.09 | Iridos | KeithW, not really... they seem to have their own channel, though: #debian-ftp on irc.debian.org (==OFTC, *not* freenode) |
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| 09:27.47 | Iridos | KeithW, or their email <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 09:29.36 | KeithW | Iridos: Thanks. |
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| 09:31.39 | OneM_Industries | How would I start networking manually? It seems to have not started when the machine turned on. |
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| 09:32.35 | cpet | OneM_Industries: not to be a ass but do you ever read the docs ? |
| 09:32.36 | cpet | heh |
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| 09:32.49 | Logg | :| |
| 09:32.53 | OneM_Industries | I don't even know where the docs are... |
| 09:33.02 | cpet | wiki.debian.org? |
| 09:33.09 | OneM_Industries | Ooh, thank you. |
| 09:33.11 | cpet | searching debian.org |
| 09:33.27 | Logg | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 09:33.28 | cpet | google "how do I help myself by helping myself help myself" ? |
| 09:34.07 | cpet | i wouldnt have said anything but these are beginner questions which should be avialbale in the wiki |
| 09:34.28 | OneM_Industries | Sorry. |
| 09:35.09 | OneM_Industries | Yieks, I forgot how poky one core was... |
| 09:35.15 | cpet | hey atleast yu get help when I was starting i opened my mouth all I got was RTFM |
| 09:35.33 | OneM_Industries | Heh, thank you. |
| 09:35.57 | OneM_Industries | Sorry for being such a noob, I guess I am too in love with GUIs... |
| 09:36.01 | jelly | cpet: there's a time and place for RTFM but pointing out WHICH M to RTF is immensely more helpful |
| 09:36.14 | OneM_Industries | Connection timed out! |
| 09:36.17 | OneM_Industries | Eeh? |
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| 09:36.25 | cpet | jelly: you point taken as well |
| 09:36.33 | cpet | yeah* |
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| 09:37.07 | OneM_Industries | Because if pointed to the manual, I can usually figure it out. |
| 09:37.10 | cpet | but figured going to wiki. and looking at the toc would of helped him enough to help him find out to find stuffs |
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| 09:38.57 | cpet | I open a ticket to my provider due to packet loss |
| 09:39.04 | cpet | I am told to clone my vps and recreate it |
| 09:39.09 | cpet | wtfs? heh |
| 09:39.21 | OneM_Industries | ISPs man... |
| 09:39.34 | Logg | what the fuck secure |
| 09:40.00 | cpet | wtf's? |
| 09:40.03 | cpet | better Logg ? |
| 09:40.11 | Logg | what the fuck is |
| 09:40.30 | cpet | hrm ok |
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| 09:42.08 | OneM_Industries | Logg: I followed the guide you linked, or at least the part for dchp, and it is still not working. When I try rebooting the network-manager, it does not restart, as it times out. |
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| 09:42.54 | cpet | is this ethernet or wifi? |
| 09:43.09 | OneM_Industries | Ethernet. |
| 09:43.21 | cpet | didnt the setup setup anything ? |
| 09:43.27 | OneM_Industries | E.r |
| 09:43.29 | cpet | it should of |
| 09:43.37 | OneM_Industries | Doesn't look like it. |
| 09:43.40 | cpet | first thing it does is the net setup |
| 09:43.56 | cpet | slackware had a nifty curses app that setup net |
| 09:44.03 | cpet | not sure of the equivalcne is in debian |
| 09:44.06 | OneM_Industries | And it was working in the recovery option.. |
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| 09:49.58 | jelly | dpkg, tell OneM_Industries about interfaces |
| 09:50.29 | OneM_Industries | Thank you. |
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| 09:51.20 | OneM_Industries | Currently, I am attempting to shut it down, but shutdown scheduled a shutdown 3 minutes in the past now, and it has not shut off. |
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| 10:06.52 | cpet | isp decided to reboot my VPS |
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| 10:17.54 | f31n | hi there, i'm looking for a way to use multible computer to act as one (no single point of failure) and eventually share the same network storage - can you give me a name for that, or gimme an idea of a software i should look at? |
| 10:19.54 | cpet | cluster? |
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| 10:21.13 | f31n | yes, but i found many different ways of clusters and the most common i saw is something like one master and the others are slaves, whats actually not really my idea of safety |
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| 10:22.38 | cpet | f31n: there is a cloud stack called openstack |
| 10:22.42 | cpet | which might be what you want |
| 10:22.50 | cpet | a royal pain in thr ear to setup though |
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| 10:23.51 | cpet | the way i would of done it if I cared about that was to buy a storage device and use that for storage and just add in servers and mount the home dir from the storage device |
| 10:23.55 | f31n | cpet: sounds funny, i check it out |
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| 10:26.17 | kedare | Is there a way to use "--allow-untrusted" on apt-get (I don't have aptitude available) ? |
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| 10:26.21 | f31n | cpet: thats what i thought too, to add the storage from a nas |
| 10:26.53 | cpet | f31n: very unlikely that all drives fail at the same time |
| 10:27.03 | cpet | if they did that would be just bad luck |
| 10:27.51 | cpet | you could pxe boot the slaves and have it fetch the kernel stuff from the NAS however without a fast connection it would be rather slow |
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| 10:28.23 | jelly | f31n: an active-passive 2 node cluster is actually the simplest setup to avoid hw platform SPoF |
| 10:28.30 | f31n | cpet: sure, they need to be connected locally |
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| 10:29.31 | cpet | f31n: all my exp with clusters is with the BSD's so can't say much |
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| 10:30.08 | f31n | jelly: but then only one machine is working or? |
| 10:30.17 | jelly | f31n: correct |
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| 10:30.43 | f31n | jelly: thats what i try to avoid too ... |
| 10:31.10 | f31n | cpet: is there a reason to use bsd with clusters than debian? |
| 10:31.23 | jelly | f31n: load balancing is a different goal than high-availability |
| 10:31.25 | cpet | f31n: wrong place to get into this is #debina not #bsd |
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| 10:31.55 | cpet | f31n: don;t feel like getting banned by going to offtopic |
| 10:31.57 | f31n | jelly: i try to archive both the same time |
| 10:32.08 | jelly | f31n: don't. |
| 10:32.34 | jelly | HA is complex enough to solve _correctly_ on its own |
| 10:32.37 | f31n | cpet: it was more a comparison, but okay |
| 10:32.49 | cpet | f31n: mostly preference, doesn;t really matter what you use |
| 10:33.06 | cpet | however most people tend to complain you start going != debian |
| 10:33.07 | jelly | linux-HA people have a channel, now called #clusterlabs, and they'll happily tell you about the sad state of their stack in jessie |
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| 10:34.10 | cpet | f31n: a simple way of doing what you want however would invovle buying some HW though, or you can go the cheap way and use cheap desktops, or you can do it right and invest a bit |
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| 10:35.32 | f31n | jelly: thanks, i'll find more answers there i guess |
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| 10:35.32 | cpet | f31n: msg |
| 10:36.02 | jelly | f31n: yes. To see what debian is doing with that software, see https://wiki.debian.org/Debian-HA/FAQ and https://wiki.debian.org/Debian-HA/ -- debian HA team also has a channel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:37.42 | f31n | thanks |
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| 11:07.06 | nebg | is there anyone here enrolled in a german or french university ? |
| 11:08.12 | babilen | nebg: That really sounds like a question for #debian-offtopic rather than #debian |
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| 11:08.42 | nebg | babilen, thanks |
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| 11:20.54 | Ephexeve | Why doesn't Debian allow having Thunderbird on their repo? (even the non-free repo) |
| 11:21.22 | cpet | its called icedove |
| 11:21.34 | cpet | same thing just images are removed |
| 11:22.02 | Ephexeve | cpet: Yeah, I am using Icedove. Why are the images removed? Is there any copyright issue? |
| 11:22.10 | Logg | yes. |
| 11:22.16 | Ephexeve | I see |
| 11:22.26 | cpet | something like that due to the changes they make or something I forget |
| 11:23.05 | Ephexeve | I see. Isn't it an internal issue debian has with Mozilla? (since they do the same with firefox) |
| 11:23.15 | Logg | no, it's just to make it more "free" |
| 11:23.23 | Logg | they could include it if they wanted to, but then it wouldn't be "free" |
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| 11:23.51 | Ephexeve | Hm, interresting. Thanks Logg |
| 11:23.58 | digs_ | which is a good philosophy |
| 11:24.06 | Ephexeve | I agree. |
| 11:24.24 | cpet | if it bothers you yes |
| 11:25.16 | Logg | I think iceweasel is actually different from firefox though. Debian maintainers take some crap out. |
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| 11:25.26 | Logg | and optimize for debian |
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| 11:25.46 | cpet | if thats the case how do we trust modified code ? |
| 11:25.50 | Ephexeve | Logg: I heard Iceweasel is a bit "old" compared to Firefox |
| 11:26.22 | Logg | everything I've said is everything I know about it. |
| 11:26.34 | Ephexeve | cpet: What do you mean "who can we trust"? |
| 11:26.43 | Logg | my version is 38 though, which is pretty close to the version number firefox uses now |
| 11:27.35 | Zitter | Hi, I have a AASTRA 6731i attached to my debian. Can I phone using my Jessie box? |
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| 11:28.02 | Ephexeve | Logg: Ah, I meant "old" about addons or something like that. I dunno much though, just heard something about this. |
| 11:28.07 | Logg | cpet: apt-get source iceweasel, right? |
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| 11:28.55 | Logg | Ephexeve: I've heard it takes a little bit of time for debian maintainers to do their maintaining, but it's not like, and old and unusable browser. |
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| 11:29.49 | Ephexeve | Logg: I see. Good to know. I was using the real firefox. I might migrate to iceweasel then |
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| 11:31.33 | Logg | Ephexeve: I think it might be based on the extended release channel, but I'm just guessing based on the release number. |
| 11:31.56 | Logg | would make sense for debian to want to do that for maximum stability. |
| 11:32.16 | Ephexeve | Yeah. I like this about Debian. When a package doesn't suite their philosophy, they will try to modify the package and add to their repo. |
| 11:33.48 | cpet | Logg: the only diff is no artwork, and security backports |
| 11:33.56 | cpet | other then that it's the same thing |
| 11:34.04 | cpet | dont beleive me read the wiki |
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| 11:36.00 | cpet | the issue was basically debian create arework and still called it mozilla $1 mozilla didint like that so they just changed the name |
| 11:36.03 | cpet | all are happy |
| 11:36.09 | cpet | give or take what happened |
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| 11:37.43 | cpet | mozilla.debian.org if you want a newer iceweasel |
| 11:38.50 | teraflops | ,v iceweasel |
| 11:38.51 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; jessie-security: 38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: |
| 11:38.52 | judd | 43.0.4-1~bpo80+1; sid: 43.0.4-1; stretch: 43.0.4-1; experimental: 44.0~b6-1 |
| 11:39.40 | teraflops | Hmm Is the 43 gtk3 in debian too? |
| 11:40.23 | cpet | i don't know I just use the browser I dont care for the latest and greatest |
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| 11:41.34 | teraflops | Well. If it's properly patched I don't care too |
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| 11:42.09 | cpet | if you use a computer in a cyber cafe |
| 11:42.18 | cpet | you have more things to worry about than browser versions |
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| 11:47.17 | bumbar_ | few days ago i ran "apt-get purge" and now every time i install/upgrade something, there's a list of not needed packages anymore (there's xserver among them), is there a way to clear this list? i'm pretty sure i need xserver for desktop :P |
| 11:47.35 | cpet | apt-get autoremove |
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| 11:47.57 | bumbar_ | won't this uninstall them? |
| 11:48.20 | Trieste | hi, I'm trying to install MariaDB, but I'm running into a "Installation of system tables failed!" error, and I don't know what to do |
| 11:48.23 | cpet | yeap |
| 11:48.55 | Trieste | running jessie on armv6 arch, by the way |
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| 11:52.34 | Trieste | or do you think I should ask MariaDB support? |
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| 11:56.01 | cpet | Trieste: are you using se? |
| 11:56.16 | Trieste | cpet: as in SELinux? |
| 11:56.22 | cpet | yes |
| 11:57.13 | Trieste | not unless it's default |
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| 11:57.46 | cpet | have you looked in the mariadb error log? |
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| 11:58.06 | cpet | possibly /var/log/ma* |
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| 11:58.09 | Trieste | it seems to be in some kind of a binary format |
| 11:58.23 | cpet | should be a log file there |
| 11:58.57 | cpet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.58 | Trieste | the error actually continues to say "Examine the logs in /var/lib/mysql for more information.", but there are only two files, none of them are readable |
| 11:59.14 | Trieste | ooh |
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| 12:00.12 | Trieste | cpet: thank you, the logs are saying there's insufficient memory :) |
| 12:00.33 | cpet | Trieste: ignore the msg then |
| 12:00.47 | cpet | Trieste: always look at the logs /var/log/* is full of them |
| 12:01.22 | Trieste | cpet: this is the complete log: https://paste.debian.net/366766/ |
| 12:01.32 | cpet | once you get it up and running you can either disable logging or set it to log less |
| 12:01.42 | Trieste | right |
| 12:02.20 | cpet | yeap that would do it |
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| 12:02.37 | cpet | not really sure why people create such limited VPS's but |
| 12:02.57 | cpet | you cant really run a mysql db on a 256mb VM without doing some rather large tuning |
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| 12:05.38 | tholu | I want to build the Debian openssl package from source to completely replace it with a new version on an old Wheezy Virtual Server (I cannot upgrade because I cannot upgrade the Kernel). Where do I find the config parameters I have to use? |
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| 12:06.05 | cpet | tholu: that makes no sense |
| 12:06.14 | cpet | what does the kernel have to with a package ? |
| 12:06.15 | tholu | cpet, why? |
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| 12:06.53 | tholu | Sorry, squeeze not wheezy |
| 12:07.01 | tholu | I'm stock on squeeze with this virtual server |
| 12:07.05 | tholu | stuck |
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| 12:07.32 | tholu | And there is no updated openssl package for squeeze |
| 12:07.37 | cpet | why are you stuck? |
| 12:07.46 | cpet | any who |
| 12:07.51 | tholu | Because I cannot upgrade the kernel |
| 12:07.55 | cpet | apt-get source openssl |
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| 12:08.30 | cpet | extracxt and then dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 12:08.35 | cpet | should do it |
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| 12:10.41 | cpet | as well as you would need apt-get install build-essential |
| 12:10.51 | cpet | and get ready to download quite of lot of "stuff" |
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| 12:11.39 | cpet | however doing that would fetch the source from squeeze |
| 12:11.41 | tholu | I'm aware of how to build openssl, and already did, I'm just not sure about the exact config parameters I should use |
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| 12:11.49 | cpet | you would need to hack it a bit to fetch a later one |
| 12:11.50 | tholu | I downloaded the new source already |
| 12:11.55 | cpet | and doing that chances are it wont work |
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| 12:12.17 | cpet | you didn't mention that |
| 12:12.29 | cpet | if you look at the source you should see a debian dir |
| 12:12.33 | cpet | in there is the config stuff |
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| 12:12.40 | tholu | I just want to know the exact config parameters that Debian usually uses to build the package |
| 12:12.44 | tholu | Ok, let me check |
| 12:13.05 | cpet | just edit each files until you see --with.. etc.. |
| 12:13.23 | cpet | personally i would just create a new VM install some stuff move configs over and kill off the other vm |
| 12:13.30 | cpet | but I know thats not as easy as saying it |
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| 12:15.07 | antgel | Hi all, I want to build a backport of gnuplot 4.2.6 using http://snapshot.debian.org/package/gnuplot/4.2.6-1/. How can I build a binary? I see there only the .diff.gz, .dsc, and .orig.tar.gz, but normally apt-get source downloads a directory as well |
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| 12:16.28 | cpet | antgel: download the source then do dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 12:16.34 | cpet | antgel: should get you going |
| 12:17.25 | antgel | cpet: I know that. I'd usually do that in the source directory. I don't see that in the above link that I pasted |
| 12:17.29 | antgel | You get what I mean? |
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| 12:20.01 | cpet | antgel: look at the git repo for that |
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| 12:20.11 | cpet | should have the files required to build the package |
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| 12:23.49 | tholu | cpet, I found the CONFARGS in debian/rules |
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| 12:24.52 | cpet | the files in debian/ is whats used to build the package |
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| 12:25.13 | cpet | so just ignoring all that and editing the files to suite should give you a resulting .deb |
| 12:25.21 | cpet | which is a lot better than manually compiling openssl |
| 12:25.28 | cpet | that is if thats is what youre doing |
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| 12:26.08 | cpet | if your going to do that I would invest the time to compile libressl |
| 12:26.12 | cpet | but thats me :) |
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| 12:26.52 | abgeolaft | Ãs there a iso of debian unstable? |
| 12:27.44 | Stummi | don't think so, since it would be outdated after one hour or so ;) |
| 12:27.46 | cpet | look in the ftp |
| 12:28.50 | Stummi | oh, right, there is: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/ |
| 12:29.43 | cpet | cdimage.debian.org |
| 12:29.46 | cpet | yeah |
| 12:29.56 | cpet | i type slow :( |
| 12:29.58 | abgeolaft | blank page |
| 12:29.58 | abgeolaft | :O |
| 12:30.16 | cpet | then you typed it wrong cause its not blank |
| 12:30.26 | abgeolaft | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/ |
| 12:30.42 | cpet | remove the subdirs |
| 12:31.35 | abgeolaft | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ works |
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| 12:31.41 | abgeolaft | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/ still gives me a blank page |
| 12:31.49 | cpet | i dont know then |
| 12:31.54 | cpet | it works for me (TM) |
| 12:31.55 | cpet | :D |
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| 12:32.14 | abgeolaft | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></HEAD><BODY></BODY></HTML> |
| 12:32.16 | abgeolaft | site souce |
| 12:32.18 | abgeolaft | :O |
| 12:32.30 | cpet | hrm ok |
| 12:32.35 | cpet | would you like a cookie now? |
| 12:32.43 | abgeolaft | -.- |
| 12:33.09 | Stummi | abgeolaft, does this wok? http://130.239.18.173/cdimage/daily-builds/ |
| 12:33.17 | abgeolaft | yes |
| 12:33.37 | cpet | change dns to google dns or something |
| 12:33.44 | cpet | seems like yours is broke |
| 12:33.53 | Stummi | or he just hit a broken mirror in the rotation |
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| 12:34.06 | cpet | i don't know I still do the ftp thing ;/ |
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| 12:35.04 | abgeolaft | thanks |
| 12:35.07 | MeanEYE | Can someone point me towards documentation for submitting my software to Debian repo? |
| 12:35.38 | bazhang | !backports |
| 12:35.39 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:36.01 | cpet | MeanEYE: google debian contribute |
| 12:36.16 | cpet | MeanEYE: I am on cli and too lazy to open lynx atm :P |
| 12:36.23 | cpet | however |
| 12:36.26 | cpet | !contribute |
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| 12:36.40 | cpet | guess it's not that kind of bot |
| 12:36.54 | MeanEYE | Hah, okay. |
| 12:36.59 | tholu | cpet, I will try to use checkinstall for installing the selfcompiled ssl |
| 12:37.11 | tholu | If that doesn't work, I will try to use the whole debian folder next |
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| 12:38.01 | cpet | tholu: your going to break things :) |
| 12:38.07 | cpet | by doing it that way |
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| 12:38.32 | tholu | cpet, let's see :) |
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| 12:38.38 | tholu | almost there |
| 12:38.57 | cpet | the time taken for doing this |
| 12:39.07 | cpet | will be better spent upgrading to a supported debian |
| 12:39.25 | tholu | cpet, that will only work if I completely migrate the server |
| 12:39.36 | tholu | And how else could I learn about building debian packages? ;) |
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| 12:40.54 | cpet | tholu: learn to compile something from scratch |
| 12:41.00 | cpet | then learn to compile a debian package |
| 12:41.07 | cpet | if thats what you are doing is learning |
| 12:42.03 | tholu | cpet, ~ # openssl version |
| 12:42.03 | tholu | OpenSSL 1.0.2e 3 Dec 2015 |
| 12:42.21 | tholu | Seemed to work fine, how do I find out if I broke something? :D |
| 12:42.25 | cpet | sorry but your openssl ver has no interest to me |
| 12:42.41 | cpet | run something that requires openssl? |
| 12:42.51 | cpet | chances are it will give you a lib error now |
| 12:43.45 | Logg | tholu: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/checkit.en.html |
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| 12:44.59 | tholu | I ran the nagios check_http plugin with an https address |
| 12:45.11 | tholu | No lib error |
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| 12:45.42 | cpet | then you should be good to go |
| 12:45.53 | tholu | However this was what got me to upgrade openssl, because it doesn't work with some https sites |
| 12:47.10 | cpet | paranoia can play tricks on you |
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| 12:49.26 | tholu | CRITICAL - Cannot make SSL connection 1784:error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error:s23_clnt.c:607: |
| 12:49.34 | tholu | /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_http -S -H thesfmarathon.com -vvv |
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| 12:52.00 | tholu | Aha, curl seems to fail and be the underlying issue |
| 12:52.49 | cpet | I have openssl 1.0.1k |
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| 12:56.50 | tholu | I guess I have to update curl and the nagios plugins to support tls-only connections... perhaps I really should migrate to a new server. |
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| 12:57.23 | cpet | tholu: told ya |
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| 12:58.41 | cpet | you could just update the sources.lst simple :%s/squeeze/jessie/g doing a last minute check and then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:58.55 | cpet | or whatever the equivalent is as some peopel say dist-upgrade is bad like the plague |
| 12:58.59 | cpet | i never had issues but |
| 12:59.18 | cpet | figured I would say something |
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| 12:59.37 | themill | no, upgrade via wheezy, don't try to jump from squeeze to jessie |
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| 12:59.55 | SynrG | ^ |
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| 13:01.34 | cpet | fair enough |
| 13:01.43 | cpet | my vps is a new 8.x install |
| 13:01.51 | cpet | so I wont have to worry about that for a few yrs |
| 13:01.55 | cpet | :p |
| 13:02.53 | cpet | im still wondering why we need 6 packages for openssh |
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| 13:12.40 | tabasko | Is it recommended to use laptop-mode-tools package when installing Debian on Lenovo T430s? |
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| 13:13.22 | cpet | is that a laptop? |
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| 13:14.12 | DanteLA | Jessie installer fails at fetching some file (1191 / 1418 ). Should I install it without fetching packages over the net instead? |
| 13:14.20 | tabasko | cpet: yep |
| 13:14.38 | cpet | tabasko: then i would |
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| 13:15.05 | cpet | DanteLA: the joys of net installs and why I always download the full ISO |
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| 13:17.37 | DanteLA | cpet: If it only was one DVD that would be fine, but there seems to be three (3) for Jessie |
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| 13:18.42 | themill | there's plenty more than that, but you only need the ones that have the packages on them that you are going to select |
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| 13:19.53 | cpet | its 3 DVDs plus 2 for sources or something |
| 13:20.01 | tholu | cpet, yes, you were right ;) |
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| 13:20.25 | DanteLA | switch net to installer.. |
| 13:20.50 | cpet | was going to say change the mirror |
| 13:20.53 | cpet | but he left |
| 13:20.53 | tholu | cpet, but upgrading just isn't possible because of the Kernel, because the hosting provider of the Virtual Server does not support newer kernels |
| 13:21.10 | cpet | tholu: time to find another provider cause thats just stupid |
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| 13:21.54 | tholu | sure, it's hosteurope, I have written to support if something changed in the last 2 years there |
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| 13:22.23 | cpet | tholu: i use transip happy with them |
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| 13:22.44 | cpet | i live in mx and have my server in .nl |
| 13:22.45 | cpet | heh |
| 13:23.25 | tholu | cpet, I normally use root servers, but for monitoring it worked fine .. until now :) |
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| 13:24.20 | cpet | i pay 20/m for 4g 2 cores and 150gSSD |
| 13:24.25 | cpet | quite happy with that |
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| 13:25.33 | tholu | cpet, will take a look, thanks! Will also look at Digitalocean |
| 13:25.57 | cpet | i try not to have anything hosted in the US |
| 13:26.02 | cpet | but thats personal pref |
| 13:26.08 | tholu | You can choose with Digitalocean |
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| 13:26.35 | cpet | prices are high compared the transip |
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| 13:26.41 | tholu | Yeah I just saw that |
| 13:26.59 | cpet | and techs are "I wish you a very nice day!" |
| 13:27.03 | cpet | kinda makes ya feel good :P |
| 13:27.10 | cpet | s/are/say |
| 13:27.45 | tholu | They should up de X1 to 2GB RAM |
| 13:27.55 | tholu | s/de/the |
| 13:28.15 | tholu | But I guess I'll take the X4 like you |
| 13:28.27 | cpet | if you compare digitalocean to transips the equi with digital is 60/m |
| 13:28.28 | abrotman | !ot |
| 13:28.28 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:28.44 | tholu | cpet, yes, as soon I have time I will migrate from hosteurope |
| 13:28.49 | cpet | tholu: if you do order i could use the referral |
| 13:28.56 | tholu | cpet, send me the link pls |
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| 13:31.08 | cpet | i opened a ticker for it |
| 13:31.12 | cpet | er ticket |
| 13:31.33 | tholu | ok |
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| 13:33.38 | cpet | i guess if they dont do the referral thing theres a comment section reffered by: cpet would work |
| 13:34.00 | abrotman | cpet: tholu Please take this to PM or another channel, this really isn't anything to do with Debian |
| 13:34.46 | cpet | hes going to migrate his server to "debian" |
| 13:34.58 | cpet | so techncialy it does as the end result will have him up and running with debian 8 |
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| 13:35.28 | abrotman | what is "debian" ? |
| 13:35.44 | cpet | i don't know |
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| 13:36.20 | abrotman | This channel supports Debian |
| 13:36.34 | cpet | so thats with no quotes? |
| 13:36.56 | abrotman | since you can't tell me what "debian" is .. I have no idea wtf you're discussing .. |
| 13:37.14 | cpet | neither do I enlighten me? |
| 13:37.22 | abrotman | wtf .. you're the one that said it .. |
| 13:37.25 | tholu | lol |
| 13:37.37 | cpet | said what? |
| 13:37.38 | abrotman | Again, please use this channel for Debian support |
| 13:37.45 | abrotman | tholu: what OS are you installing? |
| 13:37.50 | tholu | Debian |
| 13:37.54 | cpet | see |
| 13:38.03 | tholu | What else? |
| 13:38.05 | cpet | hes installing "debian" |
| 13:38.05 | abrotman | cpet: yo'ure the one that said "debian" .. not me |
| 13:38.27 | tholu | Debian is like Nespresso :D |
| 13:38.34 | abrotman | fake coffee? |
| 13:38.41 | cpet | exp coffee? |
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| 13:39.02 | cpet | the maker itself is more than a capuchino machine |
| 13:39.04 | tholu | I see, strong opinions about coffee here |
| 13:39.23 | cpet | abrotman: please take this coffee chat to offtopic |
| 13:39.29 | cpet | this is a Debian support channel only |
| 13:39.41 | tholu | rofl |
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| 13:39.51 | blind | haha |
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| 13:40.05 | abrotman | cpet: I asked you nicely to take the OT discussoin elsewhere |
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| 13:41.25 | tholu | So, I want to update nagios-plugins and curl to a newer version on an old squeeze installation, how do I do that? |
| 13:41.55 | tholu | I specifially need the switch to use tls only in the check_http nagios plugin |
| 13:41.56 | abrotman | tholu: you can backport the packages, or upgrade to jessie. |
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| 13:42.48 | tholu | I cannot upgrade, since I cannot upgrade the kernel, because my hosting provider doesn't allow that. |
| 13:42.56 | tholu | So how do I backport the packages? |
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| 13:43.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tholu about ssb |
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| 13:44.55 | tholu | The backported package of nagios-plugins is also too old, I already installed that |
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| 13:45.27 | abrotman | tholu: which version do you need? |
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| 13:48.17 | tholu | abrotman, I don't know exactly, but perhaps I should find out first :) |
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| 13:50.51 | fonix232 | hi all |
| 13:50.58 | fonix232 | I'm in need of some assistance |
| 13:51.06 | fonix232 | I just installed Debian on my old HP 8530W |
| 13:51.07 | DanteLA | My debian installation seems to be missing default trusted certificates, so nothing with https works. I wonder what package I am missing? |
| 13:51.34 | fonix232 | and I can't seem to be able to enable wifi. It says wifi hardware is disabled, but the touch button does not work, it does not switch wifi on. |
| 13:51.34 | themill | DanteLA: for which utility? |
| 13:51.41 | DanteLA | themill: any, links/wget |
| 13:52.13 | themill | "any" is not true since some tools come with their own cert store; ca-certificates is the common one |
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| 13:52.49 | DanteLA | I did have to uncheck 'install default system packages' in the installer to make it work, probably everything else is broken too.. |
| 13:53.03 | petemc | you sure time isnt wrong on machine? |
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| 13:53.39 | DanteLA | petemc: time is right |
| 13:53.55 | themill | !standard task |
| 13:53.56 | dpkg | from memory, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 13:54.13 | themill | DanteLA: ^^ you can always install them later |
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| 13:55.30 | DanteLA | themill: so literally 'aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant' ? |
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| 13:55.37 | themill | yeah |
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| 13:56.29 | DanteLA | themill: ok, thanks. will try -> |
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| 13:57.19 | fonix232 | So again. wlan0 interface exists, but cannot be pulled up, as rfkill won't let it. rfkill list says that the WiFi interface is hard blocked, but pressing the hardware button (a capacitive touch button on the "control strip") does nothing. |
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| 13:57.51 | fonix232 | anyone ran into similar? WiFi module is Intel 5300AGN |
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| 13:59.27 | fonix232 | I'm on the latest build Jessie, fresh install with Gnome Shell |
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| 14:17.59 | dagerik | xdotool search --name "firefox.*" key F5 works great for http resources but not for file:// resources. help |
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| 14:22.32 | brainwash | dagerik: try with --class firefox |
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| 14:22.43 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 14:22.45 | Filystyn | problem |
| 14:23.02 | Filystyn | i had this cute batter piture on top bar |
| 14:23.08 | Filystyn | and some time ago |
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| 14:23.50 | Filystyn | new gnuplot (fuck you qt) used all ram of computer and made that battery measure how much charged to crash |
| 14:24.04 | Filystyn | i fixed gnuplot and throw that qt shit out but |
| 14:24.20 | Filystyn | i want the cute batter back so i know i can pull out the cable |
| 14:24.25 | Filystyn | ANYONE!??!?!?!??!!?!? |
| 14:24.32 | Stummi | can't you just restart your x session? |
| 14:24.42 | Filystyn | restart x session? |
| 14:24.47 | Filystyn | Does that not happen when i |
| 14:24.50 | Filystyn | restart computer? |
| 14:25.14 | Filystyn | HMMMM? |
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| 14:25.49 | Stummi | yes |
| 14:26.03 | Filystyn | after restart ther eis no cute battery charge program |
| 14:26.16 | Filystyn | indeed there is NOOOOO SIGN of it |
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| 14:26.53 | brainwash | which desktop environment? also, there is no need for caps. please stay calm. |
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| 14:34.40 | fonix232 | Okay, fixed wifi (needed a few reboots...). Next question. GNOME's built-in Network Manager offers to create a network hotspot. Can one modify the parameters of this hotspot, without digging miles deep into config files? |
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| 14:38.47 | Filystyn | brainwash |
| 14:38.49 | Filystyn | im using |
| 14:38.54 | Filystyn | Gnome traditional |
| 14:39.19 | P0bailey | hu |
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| 14:43.44 | Stummi | Filystyn, you know, a line here can have the length of some hundred characters. No need to use one line per two words, thats pretty annoying |
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| 14:48.27 | Filystyn | Stummi but there wa sa time space |
| 14:48.30 | Filystyn | between what i said |
| 14:48.45 | Filystyn | a new line character is commonly used as time space |
| 14:49.35 | Filystyn | It's like saying hey why are you using CRLF in httpheader. Line can be longer! There is 8k guaranteed by rfc |
| 14:49.47 | Filystyn | the time space |
| 14:49.51 | Filystyn | that's the answer. |
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| 14:52.57 | lahaugen87 | Filystyn. It was all inside 1 minute... Agree with Stummi |
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| 14:54.50 | Iridos | this discussion looks vaguely familiar |
| 14:55.08 | Iridos | like... he has it about every day |
| 14:55.34 | Filystyn | the PROBLEM is that the BATTERY picture of charger program is not showing up. |
| 14:55.50 | Iridos | the same btw. witht he caps thingy... |
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| 14:57.47 | rtfsource | Was there a server crash? |
| 14:57.55 | rtfsource | nevermind |
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| 14:58.05 | brainwash | net split |
| 14:58.16 | Filystyn | anyone know how to FIX the battery charge status program? |
| 14:58.22 | rtfsource | I have no idea what a net split is |
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| 14:58.25 | rtfsource | :( |
| 14:58.33 | Iridos | heh |
| 14:58.52 | Filystyn | waiting already 30 minutes here. |
| 14:59.26 | rtfsource | How do I redirect X graphics to /dev/null? I want to run a GUI program which provides networking services and I do not need the graphics. |
| 14:59.41 | Iridos | I think you drove about anyone who might have been willing away with your use of caps and excessive newlines... |
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| 15:00.31 | Iridos | rtfsource, run a different one, that doesn't. you could run it inside a vnc server |
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| 15:01.11 | rtfsource | Iridos: it's a Windows app which is much more stable under wine than natively under Windows |
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| 15:01.32 | Iridos | /o\ |
| 15:01.43 | Filystyn | A battery charger PROBLEM pending here |
| 15:01.49 | rtfsource | Iridos: it's a home proxy server which offers access to Tor, Freegate and Ultrasurf |
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| 15:02.54 | rtfsource | nevermind that, I want an X client that is connected to no X terminal |
| 15:03.06 | rtfsource | I don't know the correct terminology |
| 15:03.42 | Iridos | rtfsource, plain ssh can run a socks proxy for you with -D |
| 15:03.48 | rtfsource | Iridos: I'm already running it with remote X over SSH |
| 15:04.15 | rtfsource | Iridos: yeah, thanks. I already know about SSH tunnel |
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| 15:04.25 | linwiz | Having some problems with deps while installing a package, anyone have suggestions? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14582395/ |
| 15:04.54 | Iridos | rtfsource, I think I already gave you all the answers that there are |
| 15:05.05 | Filystyn | battery prablem! |
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| 15:05.32 | Stummi | Filystyn, read this: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 15:05.46 | rtfsource | Iridos: I don't think so. What I need is for example "libreoffice &" on the remote sever with X connected to nowhere, like /dev/null |
| 15:06.06 | Filystyn | i know this Stummi i said everything the question is smart |
| 15:06.12 | Filystyn | simply people are problem with solving it |
| 15:06.28 | Filystyn | are having* |
| 15:06.31 | jelly-home | rtfsource: there are X servers with no head, like xvfb. |
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| 15:06.43 | Iridos | linwiz, that's raspbian repos... ask #raspian |
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| 15:07.03 | jelly-home | ,i xvfb |
| 15:07.04 | linwiz | I've tried, just hoping to get any type of advice |
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| 15:07.23 | rtfsource | jelly-home: thank you. but can't I redirect the regular X.org to nowhere? Please tell me what keywords to Google. |
| 15:07.45 | Stummi | Filystyn, because you still didn't provide any information that could help. There are probably a lot of apps in debian dedicated to display a battery icon. Without telling us which of them you used, we can't help you |
| 15:07.47 | rtfsource | setenv DISPLAY /dev/null ? |
| 15:07.52 | jelly-home | rtfsource: an X client app cannot run without an X server, no. |
| 15:08.02 | Filystyn | how can i say what i was using |
| 15:08.07 | rtfsource | jelly-home: ok |
| 15:08.09 | Filystyn | since the program is not restarting |
| 15:08.10 | Iridos | jelly-home, I told him that *shrug* |
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| 15:08.27 | Stummi | Filystyn, whats your DE again? |
| 15:08.28 | linwiz | what are some things I could try if it were debian and not debian based? |
| 15:08.41 | jelly-home | Iridos: you just don't get any respect! |
| 15:08.46 | Filystyn | ANY battery charge status program would be good this is gnome traditional and that one i was using simply crashed |
| 15:08.49 | Filystyn | and never restarted |
| 15:08.55 | Filystyn | Gnome traditional |
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| 15:08.57 | Iridos | jelly-home, just shouting and newlines... that's how it is |
| 15:09.04 | Filystyn | debian 8.2 |
| 15:09.06 | Stummi | I don't know about gnome, and I can't find such a thing as "gnome traditional" in the repos |
| 15:09.14 | rtfsource | jelly-home: xvfb is the answer! Thank you so much, you saved my day! |
| 15:09.18 | Filystyn | it's a gnome-session-back |
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| 15:09.21 | Filystyn | or something liek that |
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| 15:09.31 | Filystyn | since new gnome is shit |
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| 15:09.46 | Iridos | linwiz, that looks like your package lists are empty |
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| 15:11.54 | Filystyn | no help still |
| 15:11.56 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
| 15:13.05 | linwiz | it seems that updating the packages was successful, but the errors are still produced. |
| 15:13.33 | Filystyn | i will go ask on linux than |
| 15:13.39 | Filystyn | since here no one knew |
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| 15:14.15 | Iridos | linwiz, re-installing the package fixes that in principle (but re-downloads the whole package for that). You also have unable to install new info file `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/md5sums' as `/var/lib/dpkg/info/python-pyinotify.md5sums': Input/output error ... so your underlying problem is that whatever is used as disk is faulty |
| 15:14.22 | quantic | Filystyn: I'm sure someone here might have helped you had you been more professional about your manner of asking. Bombarding people with demands is not going to help you. |
| 15:14.39 | blind | don't waste your effort |
| 15:14.56 | rtfsource | Things can't get possibly any better! I'm running a full-fledged OS on USB flash which recognizes everything out of the box. With a stand-alone dedicated censorship circumvention server in the kitchen on a 5$ Raspberry Zero running Squid, Privoxy, Polipo, Tor, Freegate, UltraSurf, Your-Freedom, OpenVPN, Psiphon3. |
| 15:15.01 | Iridos | quantic, I doubt there's any use telling him anything |
| 15:15.01 | rtfsource | awesome! |
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| 15:15.28 | jelly-home | quantic: they may learn that on their own, with time. Give them 5-10 years... |
| 15:15.31 | rtfsource | Debian Rules the World. |
| 15:15.35 | rtfsource | You guys rock! |
| 15:15.36 | rtfsource | bye bye |
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| 15:15.52 | morf | *facepalm* |
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| 15:16.40 | Filystyn | quantic there is no shame in admiting that you lack the knowledge to help. |
| 15:18.05 | Iridos | quantic, you know... I bet Filystyn will alienate everyone in ##linux as well... and then he will curse all linux users and linux... and switch to windows... and then he can talk to MS-support hotlines... which is when we get our laugh in |
| 15:18.09 | linwiz | Iridos: thank you. I'll try a new SD card |
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| 15:19.45 | Filystyn | Iridos i will probably fix it by my self in the end. Since IRC is good for typical problems. Such sophisticated problems are not common and yet hard to answer |
| 15:19.57 | Filystyn | Windows has nothing to do with it |
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| 15:32.24 | Filystyn | fixed no sens to investigate my question if someone there is still fighting, thx |
| 15:33.01 | jelly-home | Filystyn: it's polite to tell how you fixed it, in case someone else reads the logs and encounters the same issue |
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| 15:33.37 | Filystyn | alt+right mouse click -> add to panel (inside there is the program to add). |
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| 15:39.04 | EACO20151 | pregunta |
| 15:39.23 | jelly-home | !es |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 15:39.34 | EACO20151 | ok |
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| 15:39.50 | EACO20151 | close |
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| 15:40.14 | abrotman | Do you actually need RPC? |
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| 15:40.26 | hesperos | yeah for nfs |
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| 15:41.02 | jelly-home | hesperos: do you have nfs entries in fstab? |
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| 15:42.02 | hesperos | for nfs server. I'm trying to export some directories |
| 15:42.16 | jelly-home | is that a no, then? |
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| 15:42.43 | hesperos | without rpcbind you can't do showmount on your nfs server |
| 15:42.49 | jelly-home | nfs server shouldn't create dep. cycles there (based on Works For Me) |
| 15:43.04 | greycat | an NFS server wouldn't have nfs entries in fstab, typically |
| 15:43.17 | jelly-home | hesperos: I know. Can you answer the question nevertheless? |
| 15:43.36 | hesperos | jelly-home: no I don't have any nfs entries in fstab |
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| 15:43.51 | jelly-home | ok |
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| 15:44.21 | DammitJim | if I create a new user and don't give it a password |
| 15:44.35 | DammitJim | then place an ssh key in the authorized_keys for that new user |
| 15:44.48 | DammitJim | would I be able to scp a file just using key authentication? |
| 15:44.56 | greycat | Depending on the sshd_config, yes. |
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| 15:45.54 | DammitJim | sweet... then at least I'm preventing people to be able to ssh to the server if they don't have the key |
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| 15:46.06 | DammitJim | or log on to it if they are on the VM console |
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| 15:47.05 | hesperos | jelly-home: so, any ideas what can be done to make it work ? |
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| 15:48.32 | DammitJim | do you guys know how sshd knows where to look for an authorized key? |
| 15:48.48 | DammitJim | like if I want to define a user's authorized key that is not in its home folder |
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| 15:49.25 | greycat | man sshd, search for authorized_keys |
| 15:49.31 | greycat | it's right there in the first sentence. |
| 15:49.40 | DammitJim | thanks greycat |
| 15:49.42 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: there is a, by default, commented line "#AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 15:49.46 | DammitJim | I kept searching man ssh |
| 15:49.51 | DammitJim | not sshd I just realized that |
| 15:50.17 | DammitJim | oh, but this is all or nothing |
| 15:50.29 | DammitJim | I can't have keys on a different location for just 1 user, right? |
| 15:50.54 | DammitJim | it's a production server and I want to be able to deploy applications from a CI server |
| 15:51.03 | DammitJim | but I don't want people logging on to the server using that defined user |
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| 15:52.01 | DammitJim | oh cool! I could lock this down by known_hosts :D |
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| 15:52.15 | DammitJim | I just hope this isn't a management nightmare |
| 15:52.28 | Korak | Hello, Does anyone here know about dealing with media playback distortion when running in virtualbox? |
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| 16:10.56 | karstensrage | i have a shared lib P that depends on another shared lib F that in tern depends on two other libraries, libxml2 and libssl |
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| 16:11.35 | karstensrage | what i dont get is how you create debian packages that allow for all that to be correct for every version of debian |
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| 16:11.58 | narendranath_dut | Does debian jessie has Vuze P2P client ? |
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| 16:12.46 | zykotick9 | narendranath_dut: no... there are other torrent clients however. |
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| 16:14.06 | narendranath_dut | I know that , but Vuze has i2p helper plugin. |
| 16:14.41 | nerdcore | I'm finally preparing my squeeze -> wheezy upgrades (been lazy about it) and I'm kind of stumped by section 4.2.1 of the upgrade instructions where I'm running aptitude for the very first time (I usually use apt-get and dpkg). I'm confused because it appears to be telling me things like "New Packages -> Database -> Main -> purge mysql-server-5.5" and also "Installed packages -> database -> Main -> leave mysql-server-5.5 installed" What is up with this? |
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| 16:17.37 | jelly-home | nerdcore: it's a choice to make. |
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| 16:18.14 | jelly-home | nerdcore: perhaps your squeeze is not up-to-date and there are package upgrades that introduce new dependencies |
| 16:18.41 | narendranath_dut | zykotick9: Can you suggest any other client that can connect to i2p network |
| 16:18.49 | jelly-home | ,v mysql-server-5.5 |
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| 16:19.20 | nerdcore | jelly-home: According to /etc/debian_version I am at 6.0.10 and `apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade` does not report any new packages needing install/upgrade |
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| 16:19.33 | zykotick9 | narendranath_dut: sorry, i have no idea what i2p even is... /me isn't into filesharing anymore |
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| 16:20.32 | nerdcore | jelly-home: this is a live server so I cannot afford to have aptitude suddenly remove mysql-server on me in the middle of the day... When I press 'g' I am presented with an extensive list of changes and I'm not sure why aptitude is deciding to perform these operations. Should I just be reading the aptitude docs thoroughly before upgrading debian? |
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| 16:22.19 | nerdcore | I'm especially confused by a "purge" operation appearing under "New Packages". Why is this? |
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| 16:22.47 | jelly-home | nerdcore: first, don't do release upgrades if you need services to be up. Schedule and reserve 2-3 hours of possible downtime. |
| 16:23.17 | nerdcore | jelly-home: I have scheduled for 2-3h downtime in a few weeks' time. I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row, as they say... |
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| 16:24.07 | jelly-home | nerdcore: nod. You may have easier time figuring what aptitude wants to do from its CLI, maybe. quit, then run "aptitude -s -f install", see what it would do |
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| 16:24.32 | nerdcore | jelly-home: much appreciated. I'll try that now |
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| 16:25.48 | karstensrage | and i dont even know what to google for understanding |
| 16:26.30 | karstensrage | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 16:26.49 | fmerges | how can i watch the processes and find out which one is trying to connect to a remote webserver for trying a connect (proxy)? |
| 16:27.00 | nerdcore | jelly-home: looking at that now. How do I tell why the heck this process wants to install packages like "wpasupplicant" and "ppp" on a server which in no way requires these? |
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| 16:27.37 | Filystyn | need alternative to pulseaudio |
| 16:27.39 | Filystyn | if exists |
| 16:27.40 | nerdcore | fmerges: have you tried `ntop`? |
| 16:27.42 | Filystyn | some hints? |
| 16:27.59 | fmerges | nerdcore: i was using now watch -n 1 ss -tp | grep.. |
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| 16:28.32 | newbie22 | *: does anyone know a good website for learning idiomatic ruby |
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| 16:29.44 | greycat | Stop putting that reversed rodent face smiley thing in front of your questions. |
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| 16:30.07 | greycat | If I wanted a ruby tutorial I'd find a ruby IRC channel and read their topic. |
| 16:30.09 | Tsutsukakushi | newbie22: why ruby? |
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| 16:30.44 | Filystyn | newbie22 if you wnat super basics go on codecademy they have plenty of "lick the language" shitty tutorials ;-) |
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| 16:31.41 | zykotick9 | Tsutsukakushi: if this is the same person, and i think it is - they asked yesterday ruby or python, everyone said python - so they said "ruby it is" |
| 16:31.45 | newbie22 | greycat: typical, always putting someone down, just a ass OFF the top, what about being nice, or is this channel, to busy |
| 16:31.55 | Tsutsukakushi | lol |
| 16:31.56 | jelly-home | nerdcore: I think that's aptitude's insistence on installing packages with Recommends: dependencies. Can you pastebin the output thus far? |
| 16:32.05 | greycat | What the fuck is your problem? I gave you a direct answer. |
| 16:32.24 | Tsutsukakushi | the answer should have been "what are you trying to do?" |
| 16:32.36 | Filystyn | trying to do lol |
| 16:32.41 | Filystyn | he trie sto learn language |
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| 16:32.45 | greycat | Find a ruby channel, and read their topic, and stop putting that stupid fucking ascii emoticon thing in front of your questions. |
| 16:32.46 | Tsutsukakushi | but |
| 16:32.50 | Tsutsukakushi | what is his goal |
| 16:32.55 | Tsutsukakushi | why does he want to learn the language |
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| 16:33.07 | Filystyn | mor like what things you want to programm. |
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| 16:33.16 | zykotick9 | Tsutsukakushi: not really debian related, is it? |
| 16:33.24 | Tsutsukakushi | greycat: and he asked it on other channels as well |
| 16:33.40 | Tsutsukakushi | zykotick9: yeah, it isn't |
| 16:33.42 | blind | The point is it shouldn't really be asked in here. |
| 16:33.51 | quantic | Off. Topic. Move on. |
| 16:33.57 | Filystyn | no problem if an oftopic happens from time to time |
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| 16:34.56 | Filystyn | i asked a question 2 |
| 16:35.03 | Filystyn | is there an ALTERNATIVE to pulse audio |
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| 16:35.20 | nerdcore | jelly-home: http://nerdcore.net/mike/debian-squeeze-upgrade-1453307629.txt |
| 16:35.22 | jelly-home | Filystyn: you don't have to repeat every 5 mintes |
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| 16:35.42 | nerdcore | I am glad to see aptitude is not insisting on x11-* (headless box ;) |
| 16:35.54 | dontknow | Filystyn, use alsa? |
| 16:36.01 | Filystyn | ok i want alsa |
| 16:36.02 | jelly-home | > If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. |
| 16:36.05 | Kniaz | hello. I noticed after upgrading debian 7 to 8, my openvp certs and keys are gone from /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/keys folder. Is this inteded with the upgrade? |
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| 16:37.03 | dontknow | Filystyn, what desktop environment do you use |
| 16:37.19 | dontknow | pulse is not a dependency for xfce |
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| 16:37.28 | Filystyn | gnome and when i tried to uninstall pulseaudiot it wnated to get rid of gnoem 2 |
| 16:37.39 | Filystyn | so i did not do it but i hope alsa will somehow |
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| 16:37.41 | Filystyn | fix this |
| 16:37.48 | greycat | all of gnome, or just the meta-package named "gnome"? |
| 16:37.50 | Filystyn | maybe shoudl do it with aptitude |
| 16:38.01 | Filystyn | what doe sit mean all of gnome? |
| 16:38.08 | dontknow | Filystyn, pulse is most probably a dependency for gnome |
| 16:38.17 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.21 | greycat | Did it want to remove like 200 packages with "libgnome..." in their names, or just 1 package? |
| 16:38.32 | jelly-home | Filystyn: I think parts of gnome strictly depend ou pulseaudio. What fails to work? |
| 16:38.33 | Filystyn | thats what it wanted to throw out |
| 16:38.54 | Filystyn | nothing fails it eats all my ram |
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| 16:39.01 | greycat | "gnome" and "gnome-core" are just metapackages. They are fine to remove. |
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| 16:39.10 | Filystyn | tho im not sure it's not fault of clementine |
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| 16:39.30 | Filystyn | but the thing is the ram eater when clem works is the pulseaudio |
| 16:39.35 | dontknow | Filystyn, do a minimal install and install xfce manualy |
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| 16:41.37 | Filystyn | i will install alsa and see if clementine choses "to use???" them |
| 16:41.43 | jelly-home | Filystyn: mmm. How much RES memory does the pulseaudio process take, as seen in top or htop? |
| 16:42.00 | jelly-home | you already have alsa, pulseaudio works on top of that. |
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| 16:42.45 | Filystyn | 600 mega |
| 16:43.04 | Filystyn | yeah i had alsa but it downloaded one more package tho |
| 16:43.06 | jelly-home | can you show the line? |
| 16:43.22 | Filystyn | the line in top ? |
| 16:43.25 | jelly-home | yes |
| 16:43.48 | Filystyn | at the moment it's not eating ram |
| 16:44.01 | Filystyn | it does not happen all the time but ok i will paste it |
| 16:44.17 | jelly-home | I'm just trying to confirm you really saw RES value, not just the VIRT one |
| 16:44.27 | dontknow | pulse was using %3 cpu in my case |
| 16:44.39 | Filystyn | it shown %60 MEM |
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| 16:46.09 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.35 | greycat | 8.8 MB of RAM seems a bit large, not incredibly excessive |
| 16:46.43 | jelly-home | Filystyn: right, that's excessive. |
| 16:46.56 | Filystyn | it doe snot happen always |
| 16:46.59 | Filystyn | only sometimes |
| 16:47.12 | Filystyn | i will kill it than since it kind of makes unable to do anything |
| 16:47.16 | jelly-home | lemme restart this silly bot and see if there's a backported newer version available |
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| 16:49.21 | dontknow | i think you can't remove pulse without break gnome |
| 16:49.23 | jelly-home | ,v pulseaudio |
| 16:49.24 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.0-6.1; wheezy-backports: 4.0-6~bpo7+1; jessie: 5.0-13; jessie-backports: 7.1-2~bpo8+1; sid: 7.1-2; stretch: 7.1-2; experimental: 7.99.2-1 |
| 16:49.44 | greycat | wow, big numeric difference in jessie-backports |
| 16:50.10 | jelly-home | Filystyn: what you can do in the meantime is install 7.1 from jessie-backports, and see if it behaves differently over time |
| 16:50.37 | jelly-home | (note that differently can also mean "worse") |
| 16:50.50 | Filystyn | ok |
| 16:51.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Filystyn about jessie-backports |
| 16:51.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Filystyn about bpo |
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| 16:51.55 | Filystyn | ok i will investigate thank you |
| 16:52.08 | jelly-home | read the instructions page and install just pulseaudio from jessie-backports (it will pull in some related libraries) |
| 16:52.34 | dontknow | or get rid of gnome ;D |
| 16:53.01 | jelly-home | yeah, gnome on a 1GB machine sounds nasty |
| 16:53.23 | jelly-home | (and clementine itself tends to eat a fair bit of RAM) |
| 16:53.44 | dontknow | jelly-home, it is also nasty with 8G ram |
| 16:53.51 | dontknow | it just sucks |
| 16:54.13 | dontknow | only good thing is nautilus |
| 16:54.20 | pingfloyd | nautilus is the worst thing |
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| 16:54.51 | jelly-home | tbh I haven't really _used_ gnome since... lenny? |
| 16:55.09 | dontknow | pingfloyd, it has internal search, sorting for per directories etc. i think it is good |
| 16:55.11 | rootr1b4l | I've recently installed Debian Jessie and I can't watch videos in Vimeo, |
| 16:55.35 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l: which browser |
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| 16:55.55 | nerdcore | jelly-home: how can I tell why aptitude wants to install specific packages? I can't imagine ever needing libdrm-radeon1 and libdrm-intel1 on this box :/ |
| 16:56.05 | dontknow | rootr1b4l, install gstreamer1.0-libav |
| 16:56.08 | jelly-home | nerdcore: aptitude why libdrm-radeon1 |
| 16:56.13 | rootr1b4l | the audio is alright but the player is in green. |
| 16:56.14 | nerdcore | heh nifty |
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| 16:56.43 | nerdcore | `alias aptitude-wtf='aptitude why'` :) |
| 16:57.03 | rootr1b4l | jelly-home: Iceweasel |
| 16:57.24 | nerdcore | grr, vim-common recommends vim-gnome *facepalm* |
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| 16:57.47 | nerdcore | jelly-home: can I tell aptitude to forget about installing recommended packages? |
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| 16:58.11 | jelly-home | nerdcore: aptitude remove vim-gnome will tell it you don't want it installed |
| 16:58.24 | nerdcore | jelly-home: great thanks |
| 16:58.27 | zykotick9 | dontknow: fyi, i don't have gstreamer1.0-libav installed, and i can watch videos on vimeo... just sayin' |
| 16:58.47 | jelly-home | nerdcore: doing that for a couple crucial packages will clean things up |
| 16:58.54 | rootr1b4l | dontknow: gstreamer1.0-libav is installed |
| 16:59.04 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l: hmm, do you have an example video URL |
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| 16:59.21 | dontknow | rootr1b4l, it must be related with your gpu |
| 16:59.35 | dontknow | zykotick9, interesting |
| 17:00.02 | dontknow | it must be required for some of the video types then |
| 17:00.12 | rootr1b4l | jelly-home, I can't watch this video https://vimeo.com/140600280. |
| 17:00.16 | jelly-home | nerdcore: mind you, the poor thing still wants to install everything else and you still have to ^C it there :-) |
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| 17:00.55 | jelly-home | nerdcore: this can be solved within the terminal UI but honestly I'm as confused with that as you seem to be |
| 17:00.55 | zykotick9 | rootr1b4l: i have jessie/iceweasel, and the video works here. I'm suspect it is related to your video driver... best of luck. |
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| 17:01.38 | dontknow | i can watch it either |
| 17:01.52 | zykotick9 | dontknow: can or can't? |
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| 17:02.08 | dontknow | i can watch video without problem |
| 17:02.18 | nerdcore | jelly-home: well your advice is moving me in the right direction. I'd at least like to get aptitude to not bother with wpasupplicant, ppp, and any x11-related packages. I'm okay with a bunch of libs in /usr/lib I won't use :P |
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| 17:04.07 | zykotick9 | rootr1b4l: if you right click on the video, do you get a "flash" menu? if so, is there a disable hardware acceleration option? if so, i'd try that. PS. I don't get a flash menu here |
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| 17:05.01 | dontknow | i can see video without flash crap |
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| 17:07.35 | jelly-home | nerdcore: this aptitude stuff basically only has to be done once to make its internal state sane, but better to do it right away |
| 17:09.28 | nerdcore | jelly-home: I don't think I know how to read this. Isn't this a list of purges? How does a list of purges equate to an answer to "why libdrm2"? http://nerdcore.net/mike/debian-squeeze-upgrade-why-libdrm2-1453309702.txt |
| 17:09.30 | jelly-home | nerdcore: there are apt and aptitude tunables (and command line parameters) to avoid automatically installing Recommends from that point on, IME it's best to let it install crap by default and only selectively use --without-recommends |
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| 17:11.20 | wacek | https://gist.github.com/PerceptionPointTeam/18b1e86d1c0f8531ff8f |
| 17:11.25 | rootr1b4l | zykotick9: I don't understand why Chromium can reproduce the video and Iceweasel cannot reproduce it. |
| 17:11.26 | wacek | exploit on version before updating repro this does not work |
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| 17:11.50 | zykotick9 | rootr1b4l: i don't know, but it's working in iceweasel for me? best of luck. |
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| 17:12.52 | dontknow | zykotick9, i am on v43 iceweasel. do you on esr? |
| 17:13.07 | jelly-home | esr is the default in jessie |
| 17:13.41 | zykotick9 | dontknow: ya esr here, 38.5 |
| 17:13.51 | dontknow | ok |
| 17:14.12 | dontknow | i got it from backport |
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| 17:15.15 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l: just installed standard iceweasel 38.5esr from jessie on this 32bit system, it pulled in the -libav dependency and video on your https://vimeo.com/140600280 works without flash |
| 17:15.40 | dontknow | rootr1b4l, you may want to try with latest iceweasel. it may work who knows. http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 17:16.27 | awal1 | Is there "something" one can do for make Iceweasel clear the history automatically every X time without having to do that manually ( shift+ctrl+delete) or exit the whole app? |
| 17:16.28 | zykotick9 | dontknow: i think it's the "new" version they already have... and _perhaps_ what is causing the problem ;) |
| 17:17.32 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l: what does "dpkg -l iceweasel gstreamer1.0-libav | tail -n 2" say |
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| 17:18.10 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: i don't think gstreamer1.0-libav is the issue. i don't have it installed, but can watch the video that has been linked. |
| 17:18.14 | awal1 | I have a personalized iceweasel privacy config, what I want is make iceweasel "clear everything" automatically each X minutes/hours. Any clue? |
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| 17:18.48 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: oh shoot, i was checking the wrong machine - i bet i _do_ have it installed... trouble with sshing to irc ;) |
| 17:18.48 | dontknow | awal1, there is a option to remove history automatically when iceweasel closed |
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| 17:20.22 | awal1 | dontknow: Yeah, I know that, and I have iceweasel configured for do that. I want iceweasel do that auto , without user intervention, every X time |
| 17:20.31 | zykotick9 | dontknow: ya, turns out i _do_ have gstreamer1.0-libav installed on the machine iceweasel is on... my bad. |
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| 17:20.59 | dontknow | zykotick9, no problem |
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| 17:21.21 | rootr1b4l | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/HYTSY16F |
| 17:22.19 | dontknow | awal1, you may do that with script i guess. |
| 17:22.33 | jelly-home | seems fine. The only difference from my machine is yours is 64bit |
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| 17:24.38 | awal1 | dontknow: probably a script will do that for sure, but that's the problem...make that script :D |
| 17:25.25 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l: care to put up a screenshot? |
| 17:25.38 | dontknow | awal1, why do you want that anyway. just remove the history after close |
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| 17:32.30 | fmerges | i want to know the process which is opening connections to a given host and port, how can i track all the connections and the process associated? |
| 17:33.16 | fmerges | i tried with watch -t -d -n .1 ss -tp dst xxxxx:xx but the connection disconnect is so brief i cannot get usable output |
| 17:33.36 | fmerges | sending through tee doesnt work as expected... any ideas? |
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| 17:34.19 | rootr1b4l_ | jelly-home, I don't how to share the screeshoot |
| 17:34.38 | fmerges | basically i want to log the socket activity to filter out which process is connecting to a given node |
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| 17:34.53 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l_: um... upload to imgur.com or wherever |
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| 17:34.58 | fmerges | with wireshark i see the packets im interested in, but i cannot associate it to a process |
| 17:35.14 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l_: or http://picpaste.com/ |
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| 17:36.04 | rootr1b4l_ | jelly-home, https://imgur.com/TzQIXB1 |
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| 17:37.01 | dontknow | lol |
| 17:37.05 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l_: sorry. I meant screenshot of the browser not working, maybe with a right-click on the space where the video is supposed to be |
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| 17:39.42 | rootr1b4l_ | jelly-home, https://imgur.com/TzQIXB1 |
| 17:39.51 | narendranath_dut | do we have Wine in Debian ? |
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| 17:40.19 | rootr1b4l_ | jelly-home, sorry! https://imgur.com/IMHyQVz |
| 17:41.12 | dontknow | rootr1b4l_, what gpu do you have |
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| 17:44.02 | nerdcore | Why does kerneloops require libgtk2.0 ?? *grumbles* |
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| 17:44.54 | jelly-home | narend... eh |
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| 17:46.09 | jelly-home | nerdcore: it's a notification applet, when an oops happens it pops up to say "I detected a bad, evil stack trace in your dmesg, shall I send it to kerneloops people" |
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| 17:46.48 | nerdcore | jelly-home: thanks that makes *some* sense. |
| 17:46.57 | jelly-home | nerdcore: you can remove it now and install kerneloops-daemon afterwards |
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| 17:47.10 | jelly-home | the package got split at some point |
| 17:47.16 | jelly-home | ,v kerneloops-daemon |
| 17:47.17 | judd | No package named 'kerneloops-daemon' was found in amd64. |
| 17:47.54 | jelly-home | or did it?!? |
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| 17:47.58 | jelly-home | ,v kerneloops |
| 17:47.59 | judd | Package: kerneloops on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.12+git20090217-1; stretch: 0.12+git20140509-2; sid: 0.12+git20140509-2 |
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| 17:48.04 | jelly-home | ha |
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| 17:48.26 | jelly-home | nerdcore: "too buggy for wheezy, and didn't even get fixed for jessie either" |
| 17:48.49 | jelly-home | the only thing more ironic than that is a bug in reportbug |
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| 17:49.22 | rootr1b4l_ | dontknow, Intel Iron Lake Mobile |
| 17:50.03 | nerdcore | Im somewhat shocked that aptitude wants to install libavutil49 because I have phpmyadmin installed... (phpmyadmin needs httpd, provided by aolserver4-daemon which recommends www-browser, provided by rekonq which depends on kdebase-runtime which depends on phonon-backend-xine | phonon-backend, provided by libxine1 which recommends libxine1-ffmpeg which depends on libpostproc51 which recommends libavutil49 ???) |
| 17:50.14 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l_: that green colorkey looks like a bug of some sort. |
| 17:50.25 | jelly-home | chromakey* |
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| 17:50.47 | jelly-home | nerdcore: CRAZY |
| 17:50.57 | nerdcore | I am not installing ffmpeg to satisfy recommends trickling down from phpmyadmin. That is just stupid. |
| 17:51.27 | jelly-home | nerdcore: the crazy thing is aptitude picks aolserver4-daemon while you probably already have apache or something installed |
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| 17:51.35 | rootr1b4l_ | jelly-home, OK! I'll try to reinstall Iceweasel. |
| 17:51.55 | jelly-home | rootr1b4l_: I don't think reinstalling will help at all |
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| 17:52.13 | nerdcore | jelly-home: exactly |
| 17:52.21 | nerdcore | aolserver4 my butt... |
| 17:52.44 | jelly-home | nerdcore: aptitude remove aolserver4-daemon www-browser |
| 17:52.50 | jelly-home | should cut that off |
| 17:53.36 | nerdcore | at the knees!!! |
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| 17:55.36 | jelly-home | nerdcore: tbh "aptitude why" sometimes picks really weird paths |
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| 17:56.33 | nerdcore | jelly-home: I am seeing this, yes. |
| 17:56.49 | nerdcore | who would ever choose aolserver4 for httpd?? :P |
| 17:57.44 | greycat | Long ago, I think there was a non-zero audience for it. |
| 17:57.56 | nerdcore | lol |
| 17:58.20 | nerdcore | greycat: in a time before saying the letters "AOL" was itself a joke? :P |
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| 17:58.36 | greycat | I'm pretty sure it was always a joke. Just not everyone got it. |
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| 17:58.44 | nerdcore | now you say AOL in a room full of nerds and everyone giggles a bit |
| 18:00.44 | Nik05 | nerdcore what is AOL? |
| 18:01.03 | greycat | A dial-up network content provider from the 1990s. |
| 18:01.20 | greycat | They also provided Internet access (of a sort) somewhat later. |
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| 18:01.44 | Nik05 | oh oke |
| 18:02.02 | greycat | For a few years, their web server was fairly well respected in certain server communities. |
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| 18:02.23 | greycat | One has to consider their web server COMPLETELY separately from their marketing strategy, their end user experience, etc. |
| 18:03.15 | Nik05 | oke |
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| 18:03.56 | Nik05 | "AOL was known for its direct mailing of CD-ROMs and 3½" floppy disks containing its software. The disks were distributed in large numbers; at one point, half of the CDs manufactured worldwide had AOL logos on them.[99] The marketing tactic was criticized for its environmental cost, and AOL CDs were recognized as PCWorld's most annoying tech product" -Wikipedia |
| 18:04.01 | Nik05 | :P |
| 18:04.53 | nerdcore | Nik05: indeed AOL is more known for their piles upon piles of CD-ROMs no one ever wanted than for their web server software :P |
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| 18:05.01 | blind | They just kept giving away more and more hours. |
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| 18:05.22 | nerdcore | mentioned this to a friend whose response was "aolserver? does it come with free CDs?" lol |
| 18:06.11 | Nik05 | The software is now called NaviServer |
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| 18:06.41 | Nik05 | same as before it was called aolserver |
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| 18:07.16 | nerdcore | I don't understand why aptitude thinks aolserver4-daemon should satisfy the dependency for httpd, when I already have apache2 installed. Can I tell aptitude that httpd is already installed and satisfied? |
| 18:07.45 | Nik05 | aptitude is really strange, too much bugs |
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| 18:07.52 | greycat | Did you install it as Debian package, or standalone self-compiled upstream code? |
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| 18:08.17 | nerdcore | greycat: I installed apache2 from the squeeze sources with `apt-get install apache2` |
| 18:08.23 | Nik05 | nerdcore did it install aolserver or is it showing up in aptitude why? |
| 18:08.41 | nerdcore | Nik05: aptitude why (which I have aliased as shell command "wtf" ;) |
| 18:08.47 | sampletext | hey guys, im trying to blacklist the r8169 ethernet driver that comes with a new install and instead get the r8168 driver running (which is the correct driver) but the computer im trying to do this on can't get a connection |
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| 18:09.06 | sampletext | after i did sudo rmmod r8169 from this guide: http://www.foxhop.net/realtek-dropping-packets-on-linux-ubuntu-and-fedora |
| 18:09.22 | sampletext | i lost connection and editing my fbdev-blacklist.conf file in /etc/modprobe.d with r816 hasnt mnade a difference |
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| 18:09.30 | sampletext | is on debian 8 |
| 18:09.37 | Nik05 | nerdcore some dependencies like priority of packages (essential, required, important) aptitude doesnt recognise as an dependency and then it makes up some dependency |
| 18:09.42 | mwillbanks | quick question on the file system hierarchy standard, the wiki shows /opt being for non-debian packages, since we use debian packages where should our application live? |
| 18:10.17 | greycat | mwillbanks: who is "we"? |
| 18:10.45 | mwillbanks | aka the company i work for which builds custom hardware devices to which these would be deployed. |
| 18:11.05 | Nik05 | mwillbanks in /usr /var etc? |
| 18:11.09 | greycat | So your company is writing .deb packages? You should probably use /opt, I think. |
| 18:11.27 | GNU\colossus | mwillbanks, we use a custom directory tree under /opt/gh/ (with "gh" being something that relates to the company I work for) |
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| 18:31.56 | DammitJim | if someone is creating a couple of new applications to run on a debian server |
| 18:32.05 | DammitJim | where should they put the application and dependencies? |
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| 18:32.16 | DammitJim | I have a developer who wants me to create a user for the application |
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| 18:32.39 | DammitJim | and let him put everything under /home/<appuser> |
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| 18:32.43 | DammitJim | sounds a little odd to me |
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| 18:33.01 | greycat | A new user for the application to *run as* is great. A home directory with software installed in it? No. |
| 18:33.15 | greycat | The software should be in /opt/whatever/bin/ |
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| 18:34.04 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, do you know a online service for mailing lists? I need it to keep the sender domain |
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| 18:34.20 | dimitry7 | I'll be sending emails from exim on debia |
| 18:34.23 | dimitry7 | * Debian |
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| 18:34.49 | nerdcore | sorry to ask again but I seem to have been kicked from the chan during a netsplit |
| 18:34.51 | jelly-home | DammitJim: services that keep their own user and group typically put the HOME into whatever volatile space the service uses in /var, eg. user clamav is created as clamav:x:110:110::/var/lib/clamav:/bin/false |
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| 18:35.09 | nerdcore | can I tell aptitude I have httpd satisfied by apache2 already without it suggesting aolserver4-daemon again and again? |
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| 18:35.31 | DammitJim | dammit... these developers are really giving me a hard time |
| 18:35.48 | DammitJim | that's it's going to be difficult for them to put files on the server and change the owner of the file when they do so |
| 18:35.49 | jelly-home | nerdcore: eh, still hung up on that one? |
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| 18:36.01 | Mousey | it's because you're a doctor, isn't it |
| 18:36.17 | greycat | DammitJim: the new user can own the files in /opt/whatever |
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| 18:36.33 | DammitJim | totally... throw me a brick, dammit |
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| 18:36.39 | greycat | DammitJim: but in reality I would probably only set it up that way on the development box, and fix the ownership to root in the final deployment |
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| 18:36.52 | nerdcore | jelly-home: yes. Actually phpmyadmin Recommands "apache2 | lighttpd | httpd" and then suggests I install aolserver4-daemon to satisfy the httpd recommend. But I HAVE apache2 installed with a proper squeeze dpkg, so WTF? |
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| 18:37.02 | DammitJim | greycat, so when they are copying files like dependency jar files and such |
| 18:37.09 | DammitJim | they scp it over with their own user |
| 18:37.15 | DammitJim | and then I have to change the owner? |
| 18:37.20 | jelly-home | DammitJim: with a proper package, postinst script takes care of user creation and necessary ownership/permissions setting |
| 18:37.26 | greycat | What they do on the development system has very little to do with how you deploy the package. |
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| 18:37.54 | DammitJim | I'm talking test |
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| 18:38.14 | greycat | If they're scp-ing new code in, it's not a test. It's still development. |
| 18:38.17 | jelly-home | nerdcore: hmm. what else is left over in "aptitude -s -f install" output |
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| 18:38.36 | DammitJim | greycat, ok, that's what I meant |
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| 18:38.40 | DammitJim | anyways... after they scp it |
| 18:38.58 | DammitJim | the file doesn't have to be owned by the appuser, right? |
| 18:39.05 | greycat | I wouldn't think so, no. |
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| 18:39.12 | greycat | Unless the application is self-modifying. |
| 18:39.20 | DammitJim | yikes, I don't think we are that smart |
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| 18:39.22 | nerdcore | jelly-home: I'm chipping away at it... http://nerdcore.net/mike/debian-squeeze-upgrade-1453315111.txt |
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| 18:40.49 | jelly-home | nerdcore: well that looks fine, no ffmpeg stuff |
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| 18:41.24 | jelly-home | nerdcore: tell it you don't want avahi-daemon either, unless you really want it |
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| 18:41.44 | nerdcore | not ATM :P |
| 18:41.49 | jelly-home | nerdcore: and libnss-mdns as well |
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| 18:42.04 | nerdcore | right now I just want aptitude to stfu :P |
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| 18:43.01 | jelly-home | nerdcore: also, aptitude markauto all the lib* packages |
| 18:43.36 | DammitJim | weird... they have scripts in this user's bin folder |
| 18:43.46 | jelly-home | nerdcore: "aptitude markauto libart-2.0-2 libavahi-core7 libcpufreq0 libcupsppdc1 libdb4.6 libgc1c2 libgdata-common libglib2.0-data libgssglue1 libgssrpc4 libhpmud0 libical0 libidl0 libkadm5clnt-mit7 libkadm5srv-mit7 libkdb5-4 libnfsidmap2 libnl1 libnss-mdns libopenjpeg2 liborbit2 libpciaccess0 libpoppler5 librarian0 librpcsecgss3 libsysfs2 libtdb1 libx86" |
| 18:44.19 | nerdcore | will do thx |
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| 18:44.50 | DammitJim | those scripts should go to /usr/bin ? |
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| 18:46.18 | nerdcore | pm-utils and cpufrequtils both trickle down from having phpmyadmin installed :P |
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| 18:50.05 | vvelpo | I'm a user (no root) on a server -- how can I check if they applied a certain security update? (in this case I want to check for the "DSA 3448-1 Linux Security update") |
| 18:50.14 | vvelpo | (besides asking the sysadmin) |
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| 18:50.34 | greycat | You can use dpkg -l to see the versions of the packages. |
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| 18:50.46 | greycat | You can also use "uname -a" to see the version of the running kernel. |
| 18:50.52 | nerdcore | vvelpo: unprivileged users can usually do `dpkg -l PACKAGE_NAME` to see the version of installed packages |
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| 18:51.08 | markybob | it'd be pretty surprised if it's already fixed. |
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| 18:51.39 | nerdcore | vvelpo: greycat is correct. `uname -r` will print only the kernel version and nothing else IIRC |
| 18:51.50 | vvelpo | Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6 (2015-11-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux hmm... is the date the last update? |
| 18:52.02 | greycat | nope |
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| 18:53.11 | vvelpo | for the stable distro (jessie, which I'm running) it's been fixed in 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3... so I'm assuming it's not been updated |
| 18:53.30 | markybob | vvelpo, yep that's still vulnerable |
| 18:53.38 | vvelpo | all right, thank you |
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| 18:54.07 | nerdcore | jelly-home: thanks for all your help. I think aptitude is (relatively) content now and I feel much m,ore prepared for the pending upgrade |
| 18:54.19 | nerdcore | jelly-home++ |
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| 18:55.30 | jelly-home | vvelpo: also possible the package was updated but the machine wasn't rebooted. Check the installed version of the kernel package: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:55.44 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 18:55.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-rc8-686-pae (4.4~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-6); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-5); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 18:56.08 | nerdcore | âNo packages are scheduled to be installed, removed, or upgradedâ HUZZAH! |
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| 18:56.19 | jelly-home | !win nerdcore |
| 18:56.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, nerdcore! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 18:56.33 | nerdcore | awe isn't that sweet |
| 18:56.39 | blind | Collect $10 |
| 18:56.48 | nerdcore | what I really won is the ability to install wheezy! :P |
| 18:56.55 | vvelpo | that's indeed the case, jelly-home. thanks for the info |
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| 18:58.20 | jelly-home | nerdcore: wheezy support ends in like 3 months mind you, so plan for wheezy->jessie |
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| 19:00.07 | nerdcore | jelly: RLY? Nothing stated as EOL here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 19:00.57 | markybob | nerdcore, february. that's when LTS takes over. |
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| 19:01.45 | nerdcore | markybob: sorry I'm not sure I understand. jelly said 3 months; February is in like 10 days |
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| 19:02.07 | nerdcore | and I was running squeeze-lts until now so LTS is okay with me |
| 19:02.17 | nerdcore | how long will wheezy-lts last? |
| 19:02.20 | markybob | nerdcore, yeah he wasn't exact. whatever. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 19:02.56 | OneM_Industries | Hey, I have a bit of an issue. My debian install goes through the start of boot fine, briefly flashes a login prompt, then goes to a nonresponsive black screen. Any ideas? |
| 19:02.56 | nerdcore | May 2018 is okay with me for the time being. |
| 19:03.31 | greycat | OneM_Industries: sounds like failure to start X with your video driver vs. your video chipset |
| 19:03.34 | nerdcore | OneM_Industries: can you boot in runlevel 1 (single user)? |
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| 19:03.48 | OneM_Industries | This is not a graphical install. |
| 19:04.01 | OneM_Industries | It should be pure CLI, but I cannot get to even that. |
| 19:04.11 | OneM_Industries | nerdcore: How would I do that? |
| 19:04.23 | greycat | OneM_Industries: it should be available at the GRUB menu |
| 19:05.12 | OneM_Industries | Under advanced options> recovery mode? |
| 19:05.29 | nerdcore | OneM_Industries: yup, that. |
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| 19:05.42 | OneM_Industries | Yep, I can. |
| 19:05.50 | OneM_Industries | That works. |
| 19:05.57 | nerdcore | OneM_Industries: should drop you to a shell (or allow you to do so) without running the usual /bin/login on a bunch of ttys |
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| 19:06.16 | OneM_Industries | Yep, I have a shell. What now? |
| 19:06.21 | nerdcore | OneM_Industries: then you may be able to discover what is failing in your previous boots by examining logs in /var/log |
| 19:06.52 | nerdcore | I'd start by looking at /var/log/syslog and reading just above your latest boot messages |
| 19:07.13 | greycat | It may have rotated to syslog.1 |
| 19:07.49 | nerdcore | OneM_Industries: typing `ls -lat /var/log | head` might give you some indication by showing the latest logfiles to be written |
| 19:08.45 | nerdcore | OneM_Industries: I agree with greycat's assessment; The symptom does sound like X windows failing to start. Even though you expect it to be a headless box, see if you have /var/log/X* by mistake.. |
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| 19:08.57 | recharged | a few days ago, I had an update, and init-system-helpers wants to be installed. it wants to overwrite openrc and I didn't know I had openrc installed. I use sysvinit, and whenever I try to uninstall openrc and install sysv-rc it wants to uninstall a lotta things and I don't want to render my system unusable. here's 'apt-get -f install': http://pastebin.com/qaSQdeW7 |
| 19:09.09 | OneM_Industries | Xorg.0.log? |
| 19:09.11 | recharged | also, I'm running sid, I'm not sure if this belongs in a different channel |
| 19:09.27 | OneM_Industries | Because it looks like Xorg may be trying to start then. |
| 19:09.35 | markybob | recharged, it does. /topic says #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:09.55 | recharged | thanks, that's what I thought, but couldn't remember the channel |
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| 19:10.27 | greycat | OneM_Industries: you may want to look for installed display manager packages (gdm3, lightdm) and remove them |
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| 19:12.40 | OneM_Industries | Bingo, gdm3 is present/ |
| 19:13.04 | OneM_Industries | Giving it the boot now. |
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| 19:13.41 | OneM_Industries | Rebooting now. |
| 19:14.23 | OneM_Industries | BINGO! Thank you greycat! |
| 19:14.26 | recharged | it seems like I have to be invited to debian-next. I never had to be before. |
| 19:14.39 | greycat | Are you doing it on the correct network? |
| 19:14.40 | zykotick9 | recharged: wrong network. it's on oftc. |
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| 19:21.07 | Ty_LL | Any suggestions on how to determine why udevd is swapping? |
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| 19:23.49 | DammitJim | I want a user to be able to copy files to a server and for the files to be owned by a different user |
| 19:23.58 | DammitJim | how can I do that automatically? |
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| 19:24.47 | greycat | That can't be done automatically without some really intrusive hackery like an inotify event. |
| 19:25.21 | markybob | DammitJim, i'm going to regret asking...but why the fuck? |
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| 19:25.47 | DammitJim | markybob, I'm so so so confused (greycat got a glimpse of this) |
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| 19:26.10 | DammitJim | so, I have a development team who has gotten spoiled with creating applications and putting them under /home/apmbos |
| 19:26.19 | DammitJim | so, all these applications they have created run as the apmbos user |
| 19:26.31 | DammitJim | how do they develop? They ssh into the box with the apmbos credentials |
| 19:26.42 | DammitJim | does that sound odd? |
| 19:26.44 | markybob | fire those high schoolers and hire real programmers |
| 19:26.44 | DammitJim | or is that normal? |
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| 19:26.49 | DammitJim | right |
| 19:26.56 | DammitJim | so, I'm trying to get them to start doing things right |
| 19:27.12 | DammitJim | greycat suggested that normally the stuff could run as apmbos but should be place in /opt |
| 19:27.16 | DammitJim | are we good so far? |
| 19:27.39 | greycat | DammitJim: I repeatedly pointed out that the DEVELOPMENT BOX may have a different setup than the final PACKAGES that you install and deploy. |
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| 19:27.52 | DammitJim | yes sir |
| 19:28.06 | quantic | DammitJim: Do not allow development on a production system. End of story. |
| 19:28.16 | ballmer | how about a cron job like find /path/to/directory -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 0644 |
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| 19:28.23 | DammitJim | but either way, the developers are asking about the fact that when they copy their jar files, they are going to be owned by them and not apmbos |
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| 19:28.50 | DammitJim | quantic, I don't want them to ;) that's where salt comes in |
| 19:29.06 | greycat | DammitJim: The usual approach is to make the directory setgid, so that every file written there has the same GROUP. Then you make sure the devs have umask 002 set when they write there. So the files are all group-writable by all the devs. |
| 19:29.08 | DammitJim | but they are concerned about their applications not running if they are owned by dev1 instead of apmbos |
| 19:29.14 | greycat | And then you CHANGE the permissions in the package. |
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| 19:29.39 | greycat | DammitJim: why do they think the ownership of the .jar files matters? |
| 19:29.41 | DammitJim | oh gosh, so every time they update the dev/test server, I have to go in there and change the owner? |
| 19:30.00 | greycat | DammitJim: WHEN YOU MAKE PACKAGES, the script that makes them can fix up the permissions. Jeez. |
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| 19:30.07 | DammitJim | LOL... I asked them: "Do you check for the apmbos user in your code?" |
| 19:30.07 | markybob | DammitJim, no. you can use inotify or cronjob if you want to follow this dumbassery |
| 19:30.09 | DammitJim | they said no |
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| 19:30.28 | DammitJim | no no, I don't want to follow dumbassery |
| 19:30.35 | DammitJim | I want to do it right |
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| 19:30.54 | DammitJim | greycat, when I make the packages? I don't make the packages... should I be making the packages? |
| 19:31.04 | DammitJim | btw, thanks for being patient |
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| 19:31.07 | markybob | DammitJim, why aren't they using git? |
| 19:31.09 | greycat | DammitJim: who makes them? |
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| 19:31.33 | DammitJim | the developers do |
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| 19:31.48 | DammitJim | they compile it on their machine and then they place it on the server |
| 19:31.56 | DammitJim | or they edit some properties file and then they copy it to the server |
| 19:32.05 | markybob | DammitJim, this is what git was made for. tell them to use it |
| 19:32.05 | greycat | Well, figure out which of the devs is the least stupid and make that ONE person responsible for creating the packages, with proper ownership (root) and permissions (755 644). |
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| 19:32.40 | DammitJim | markybob, yeah, I still have to get them converted from subversion to git |
| 19:32.58 | DammitJim | I guess the difference in what you are saying though is that we would use git for compiled code? |
| 19:33.09 | DammitJim | anyways... greycat can one do that on windows? |
| 19:33.11 | DammitJim | cringes |
| 19:33.14 | greycat | I'm not sure I follow the git line of thought here. |
| 19:33.45 | greycat | DammitJim: Oh gods. You're telling me the person responsible for making Debian packages of your software is a WINDOWS user? |
| 19:34.00 | DammitJim | it's not Debian packages.. it's jar files |
| 19:34.02 | DammitJim | this is all java crap |
| 19:34.07 | greycat | So there AREN'T any packages? |
| 19:34.13 | DammitJim | they don't create packages!!! |
| 19:34.17 | DammitJim | no no no |
| 19:34.22 | greycat | How do you distribute your software? |
| 19:34.25 | DammitJim | that's going to come later when they finally do that |
| 19:34.37 | markybob | i hope to god they never do |
| 19:34.38 | DammitJim | they copy the file!!! |
| 19:34.54 | DammitJim | the file goes on 2 servers |
| 19:34.55 | greycat | Is this application strictly internal? Never leaves your company? |
| 19:34.59 | DammitJim | yes, internal |
| 19:35.01 | greycat | AHHHH. |
| 19:35.10 | greycat | In that case, all bets are off. |
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| 19:35.13 | DammitJim | sorry, I guess the word Package was misused by me |
| 19:35.16 | DammitJim | dammit! |
| 19:36.10 | DammitJim | anyways |
| 19:36.21 | DammitJim | it almost sounds like I'm going to have to follow dumbassery |
| 19:36.29 | DammitJim | but I do like the idea of 002 for the devs |
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| 19:37.20 | greycat | Ideally you would have someone write a script that scoops up a "snapshot" of the development box at a given point and rolls that out into production, fixing up the ownerships and so on. |
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| 19:37.51 | DammitJim | yes, sir |
| 19:38.05 | DammitJim | ok, so 2 items I need to implement |
| 19:38.09 | DammitJim | setgid |
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| 19:38.13 | DammitJim | and 002 umask |
| 19:38.17 | greycat | (Unless you wanted to introduce the full-blown package layer, but that sounds like overkill for 2 servers.) |
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| 19:38.43 | DammitJim | oh, I would love to do the packages myself |
| 19:38.52 | DammitJim | but that's not my place in this company |
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| 19:44.11 | xVim | Hi, I am receiving an error on trying to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade', perhaps someone can help: dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
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| 19:44.15 | xVim | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 19:44.44 | xVim | I get the same error when I try to install new packages. Any ideas? |
| 19:45.17 | xVim | I tried to reinstall the package libgd3 without success already. |
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| 19:48.18 | nerdcore | jelly: to clarify, wheezy-lts will receive security patches until May 2018, correct? |
| 19:49.40 | batmicho_ | Hello, I a debian 8 user from recently and I am still learning. Happy to be here. |
| 19:49.41 | dontknow | nerdcore, i think thats correct |
| 19:50.01 | awal1 | A bit tired adding "--prefer-ffmpeg" every time I use 'youtube-dl for download a full playlist. How to make ffmpeg the default for youtube-dl? |
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| 19:51.47 | markybob | nerdcore, not as strictly, though. |
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| 19:52.01 | dontknow | awal1, i use mpv + youtube-dl for videos. "mpv youtube.adress |
| 19:52.34 | awal1 | dontknow: ? |
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| 19:53.34 | dontknow | awal1, you want to watch videos with preffered player right? |
| 19:54.18 | FourFire | Hello, interested in how to combine the first three debian .isos into one, or install them ontop of a running debian OS |
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| 19:55.13 | dontknow | FourFire, what do you mean? |
| 19:55.23 | ballmer | meaning multiple desktop environments? |
| 19:55.39 | markybob | FourFire, to install on top of a running debian install just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and follow the upgrade handbook |
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| 19:56.19 | FourFire | markybob, so the handbook tells me how to install the second and third cds? |
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| 19:56.38 | nerdcore | markybob: thx good to know |
| 19:56.45 | markybob | FourFire, does said box have internet? |
| 19:56.52 | FourFire | Yes |
| 19:57.01 | awal1 | dontknow: no. I was talking about prefer ffmpeg over avconv for running the postprocessors with --prefer-ffmpeg option |
| 19:57.11 | markybob | FourFire, so you don't need the iso's. it tells you how to edit the sources and upgrade online |
| 19:57.35 | FourFire | I just fresh installed 8.2 yesterday but apparently it uses kernel 3.16 which is ancient nad has bad bugs with the skylake graphics |
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| 19:57.51 | FourFire | okay |
| 19:57.57 | markybob | FourFire, that's fine. you can use a backported kernel |
| 19:58.03 | abrotman | There's a kernel in backports thta is newer |
| 19:58.21 | FourFire | abrotman, and theu pdate guide includes instructions about this backport? |
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| 19:58.32 | abrotman | FourFire: backports.debian.org |
| 19:58.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell FourFire about bpo kernel |
| 19:58.40 | FourFire | found it yeah |
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| 19:59.03 | FourFire | I found some files in a repo or something which had .bpo. in their filename, but had no idea what to do with them |
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| 20:01.21 | dontknow | FourFire, use "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64" |
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| 20:04.11 | mylord | have .pem for ssl from letsencrypt, but when I convert to crt or key, I get this error: unable to load Private Key .. error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line:pem_lib.c:703:Expecting: ANY PRIVATE KEY any ideas? |
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| 20:05.03 | markybob | mylord, probably better off asking #letsencrypt |
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| 20:26.13 | FourFire | Ok so something odd happens, abrotman I keep being asked to "insert Offical AMD64 binary-1" into my cd drive, but I don't have one |
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| 20:26.27 | FourFire | in fact none of the systems which I've built in the past three years have had cd drives |
| 20:26.31 | markybob | FourFire, so edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove it |
| 20:26.43 | greycat | (and run apt-get update) |
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| 20:27.01 | markybob | what he said |
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| 20:32.18 | FourFire | Thanks, I'm really not a computer guy, just want to do my biology stuff |
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| 20:33.07 | abrotman | FourFire: Last guy I knew that said that ended up becoming a sysadmin at the university where he was just trying to do his ichyology (or however it's spelled) |
| 20:33.34 | FourFire | abrotman, oh well I'll try not to get as distracted as him then |
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| 20:38.31 | Qantourisc | ow have to edit /etc/default/hdparm |
| 20:38.36 | Qantourisc | please mention in /etc/hdparm.conf :p |
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| 20:39.03 | Qantourisc | Setting parameters of disc: (none). |
| 20:39.04 | Qantourisc | didn't work |
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| 20:41.14 | Qantourisc | ok used /etc/default/hdparm to set it all... /etc/hdparm.conf doesn't seem usable at first sight |
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| 20:45.17 | aZz7eCh | why is it that i can Teamviewr from debian, into our windows file server without a problem. I can browse to its IP in a browser and that also works 100% of the time. TRYING TO SIMPLY BROWSE THE NETWORK HOWEVER - '99% of the time = NIGHTMARE" ..... WHY |
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| 20:46.02 | aZz7eCh | we have no option but to reboot windows machines, while debian is running on THIS machine, so that they will show up / network becomes browsable |
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| 20:46.19 | aZz7eCh | madness |
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| 20:48.41 | tosmarcel | Hi, I just installed valgrind on Debian Stretch, and for some reason it throws lots of "Serious error when reading debug info". Valgrind version: 3.11.0 |
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| 20:50.33 | zykotick9 | tosmarcel: you _might_ getter better support in #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 20:50.38 | Qantourisc | aZz7eCh: Isemm master browser |
| 20:50.44 | tosmarcel | zykotick9: thx |
| 20:50.47 | Qantourisc | * I smell |
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| 20:55.14 | aZz7eCh | Isemm ? master browser? what |
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| 20:56.16 | knosys | Hi |
| 20:56.27 | knosys | IS it possible to install mono on Debian 8? |
| 20:56.34 | knosys | not in default repositories |
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| 20:57.20 | knosys | ok sorry ive just found the package name mono-complete |
| 20:57.51 | quantic | knosys: contrib or non-free, I believe. |
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| 20:59.14 | quantic | knosys: actually, it looks like it is in main. |
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| 21:02.01 | knosys | yes, i was trying mono without results :) thanks quantic |
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| 21:02.36 | quantic | knosys: There's a LOT of different mono packages. Libraries, etc. |
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| 21:04.24 | Amun_Ra | quantic: compiler resides in mono-mcs |
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| 21:05.03 | quantic | wasn't looking. :) knosys was. But there ya go! |
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| 21:08.12 | Filystyn | if i have 3.16.0-4-amd64 than im using higher version of kernel than 3.8 yes? |
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| 21:08.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:08.53 | Filystyn | oww mah |
| 21:09.01 | Filystyn | ok well fuk it ;-) |
| 21:09.45 | cra1g321 | Filystyn, uname -v if you want to check |
| 21:10.04 | familybuilding | Hello happydudes, is there a designated channel for Advent Printer AiO (AW10) or a jessie printer driver expert amongst you, installation problems?! |
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| 21:11.41 | Filystyn | i checked already well fuk that i hope shit will be fixed this week. :P |
| 21:12.06 | familybuilding | I've installed https://packages.debian.org/jessie/printer-driver-c2esp and the cold boot finds the printer and confirms it, but nether scanning nor printing work. |
| 21:13.03 | xVim | Noone any idea what I could do so that I can update my Jessie system again? dpkg's unrecoverable fatal error cause of the libgd3 package blocks all update procedures I can run... |
| 21:13.19 | Filystyn | nvm it's fixed |
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| 21:21.29 | zykotick9 | xVim: is libgd3 coming from jessie's repo? "apt-cache policy libgd3"... i was certainly able to "apt-get install --reinstall libgd3" successfully here. |
| 21:23.23 | xVim | zykotick9: it is coming from ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd 64, so i would say that is the main repo |
| 21:23.45 | xVim | zykotick9: reinstalling is not working |
| 21:24.11 | xVim | same error :( |
| 21:24.11 | zykotick9 | xVim: ya, that's the main repo alright... sorry i don't have any suggestions, good luck. |
| 21:24.11 | xVim | Thanks though :) |
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| 21:24.29 | zykotick9 | xVim: what version is apt-cache reporting? |
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| 21:31.49 | xVim | zykotick9: Version 2.1.0-5 |
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| 21:33.19 | familybuilding | I'm getting an 'error communication with scanner'?! |
| 21:33.25 | zykotick9 | xVim: i see the same... was wondering if your mirror might have been out of sync... |
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| 21:40.08 | familybuilding | apt-get install printer-driver-c2esp printer-driver-c2esp set to manually installed. |
| 21:40.34 | Satche | Hi |
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| 21:41.01 | Satche | Have an issue after installing debian: I don't find any command rfkill |
| 21:41.10 | Satche | I need it to fix a wi-fi issue |
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| 21:41.28 | Satche | So I can't really download it |
| 21:41.43 | Satche | Is it normal to have some files links to rfkill but not the command itself ? |
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| 21:42.11 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=rfkill&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 21:42.49 | xVim | zykotick9: I was able to fix my problem thanks to help from debian.de. Running 'echo >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgd3\:amd64.list' followed by an 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' and my system is up to date again. Thanks for your ideas! |
| 21:43.36 | zykotick9 | xVim: nice! glad you fixed it, and thanks for sharing the answer. |
| 21:43.43 | familybuilding | Hey, I have my wifi issue fixed. Thanks to dvs and happyhippo and Iforgotthename. my printer though, not really yet. Best of luck. |
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| 21:45.36 | v1c3 | Hello, is there a way get information of the source of a package? Not sourcecode, the origin of a package. |
| 21:46.02 | greycat | v1c3: /usr/share/doc/pkgname/copyright if it's already installed |
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| 21:46.27 | xVim | v1c3: Perhaps apt-cache policy packagename? |
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| 21:46.51 | greycat | I think you can read the copyright files on packages.debian.org too. |
| 21:47.11 | greycat | e.g. http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/b/bash/bash_4.3-11_copyright |
| 21:47.27 | greycat | which is linked from https://packages.debian.org/jessie/bash |
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| 21:48.55 | v1c3 | grepper, xVim: apt-cache policy was the thing i was searching for thanks. Have to figure out how google-chrome-stable was installed on a host. |
| 21:49.16 | greycat | Oh, I went too far back. |
| 21:49.32 | greycat | I went to the actual origin of the package, not... what did I do last night while I was drunk. |
| 21:49.37 | v1c3 | probably a user installed it by executing a.deb file |
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| 21:50.55 | greycat | doesn't see how "apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable" answers that question |
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| 21:51.51 | greycat | Even /var/log/dpkg.log.4.gz on my box doesn't say HOW I installed it, just when. |
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| 21:53.51 | v1c3 | greycat, "apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable" doesnt show a source. thats why I expect that it was installed using a .deb |
| 21:54.31 | greycat | *EVERYTHING* that is installed is installed by installing a .deb file, so... that doesn't really say much. |
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| 21:54.54 | v1c3 | greycat, And you only get a .deb from the google website. " "Note: Installing Google Chrome will add the Google repository so your system will automatically keep Google Chrome up to date. If you dont want Google's repository, do sudo touch /etc/default/google-chrome before installing the package." |
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| 21:55.41 | greycat | stares at "apt-cache policy build-essential" and "apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable" and tries to find a difference, and tries to understand what YOU are seeing, or think you are seeing, or not seeing |
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| 21:57.56 | v1c3 | greycat, there is no line with http... |
| 21:58.01 | v1c3 | https://dpaste.de/4Z40 |
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| 21:59.07 | greycat | FUCKING DPASTE.DE AGAIN |
| 21:59.19 | greycat | GAH, FINE. I WILL RISK OPENING IT IN A REAL BROWSER |
| 21:59.52 | v1c3 | how do you open other pastesites? |
| 22:00.01 | greycat | Yours is missing a line. Why is yours missing a line? Oh! It's because you did that "touch the config file so it's empty so I don't write a source list" right? |
| 22:00.03 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net comes to mind |
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| 22:00.33 | greycat | I normally open unsolicited IRC pastebin glop in a wheezy box that has a persistent lynx window running. |
| 22:00.39 | cra1g321 | that looks like kali, not Debian.... |
| 22:00.41 | towo` | and why support kali here? |
| 22:00.46 | greycat | But wheezy's lynx cannot open https://dpaste.de/ |
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| 22:01.16 | v1c3 | greycat, possible. I dont know who installed it |
| 22:01.22 | greycat | SO. ANYWAY. There is nothing in apt-cache policy that says HOW you originally installed it. |
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| 22:01.46 | greycat | You are just imagining things based on the absence of data. |
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| 22:03.54 | axc1298 | does lynx not do https? |
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| 22:04.29 | greycat | It does. But not this new kind of https that dpaste.de is using. Or something. It's beyond my comprehension. |
| 22:05.07 | zykotick9 | axc1298: lynx does work for dpaste.de in jessie, but not greycat's wheezy... |
| 22:05.15 | axc1298 | oh |
| 22:05.24 | greycat | Yes, I was also told this. I don't really want to upgrade that box to jessie just yet. |
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| 22:09.39 | v1c3 | thanks guys. |
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| 22:12.40 | deego | I use xfce4 on debian stable. Lately, mouse has been flaky (spurious buttonrelease events even when left button is held, thus frustrating text selections or drag and drops during, say, chess.). So, I xev'd. And, indeed, ButtonPress is almost immediately followed by a ButtonRelease. Would appreciate any hints. |
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| 22:14.03 | greycat | Replace the mouse. |
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| 22:33.40 | v0r0nwe | Hello debian fellows, i experience some weird mouse behaviour on a fresh stretch installation. i only installed minimal system, no DE, then installed xorg and i3 and some gtk applications (currently only gimp and chromium). it all works fine a few minutes, then randomly the mouse clicks aren't recognized in gtk windows correctly. when i reload i3, mouse works fine a few seconds/clicks and then starts this |
| 22:33.42 | v0r0nwe | weird behaviour again. |
| 22:34.17 | v0r0nwe | I checked with xev, all inputs/movement are recognized correctly when mouse is working correctly, then it stops |
| 22:34.44 | v0r0nwe | it's a logitech usb mouse working perfectly on other systems |
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| 22:35.29 | deego | v0r0nwe: tried a different mouse? |
| 22:36.12 | v0r0nwe | perhaps i'm missing some important "mouse-input"-libraries that get installed when setting up a "complete" DE like gnome but not if i only install xorg & i3 & gtk? |
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| 22:36.34 | v0r0nwe | deego: thx, same mouse on same hardware works fine under debian stretch gnome live usb system |
| 22:36.35 | ryouma | i've had issues with logitech on jessie, but i suspect hw |
| 22:36.40 | ryouma | m100 model |
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| 22:36.56 | v0r0nwe | logitech rx 250 |
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| 22:38.16 | familybuilding | That's for that advise dudes, best of luck. |
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| 22:44.10 | v0r0nwe | so there are no extra usb mouse driver packages i am probably missing? |
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| 22:44.58 | nevyn | there is a tool for managing logitech unversal that lets you see chage leve etc |
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| 22:45.42 | v0r0nwe | nevyn: its connected via usb cable, no battery, so no charge level :( |
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| 22:50.03 | nevyn | v0r0nwe: it's cabled usb HID? |
| 22:50.30 | nevyn | there should be no reason that doesn't work |
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| 22:53.16 | v0r0nwe | nevyn: yes, and it works sometimes, and sometimes weird. when i reload tiling window manager i3 it works fine, so i thought it may be more sw than hw problem... |
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| 22:56.01 | nevyn | yeah most likely |
| 22:56.21 | foul_owl | Hi folks. I wrote the live CD to a usb drive with dd if=/home/foul_owl/Downloads/debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdh bs=1M but my laptop won't show it in the boot menu. However, doing the exact same thing with the Ubuntu 14.04 iso works fine. What is the difference between these two isos and why won't the debian one get detected? |
| 22:56.46 | morf | foul_owl: download hybrid iso... |
| 22:57.23 | babilen | foul_owl: That should have worked (although you could have just used cp to copy it to the usb stick, easier syntax and faster) |
| 22:57.30 | nevyn | v0r0nwe: unsurprisingly i3 seems to have a number of bugs wrt mouse handling |
| 22:58.00 | foul_owl | It is a hybrid iso... |
| 22:58.08 | xVim | Does someone happen to know how to scan with (X)SANE from a terminal emulator? |
| 22:58.17 | foul_owl | At least, the debian download site says it is |
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| 22:59.35 | nevyn | v0r0nwe: see: https://github.com/chjj/compton/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen++mouse |
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| 23:00.04 | nevyn | v0r0nwe: probably because most people that choose i3 don't use mice ;) |
| 23:00.08 | foul_owl | It's definitely a hybrid iso |
| 23:00.39 | foul_owl | Should I try just copying the iso to my usb drive? |
| 23:00.50 | v0r0nwe | omg thx nevyn. i use i3 for years on a thinkpad with touchpad and didn't have any problems at all |
| 23:00.53 | foul_owl | babilen: As you were saying, I can use the cp command? |
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| 23:01.24 | zykotick9 | foul_owl: if you have UEFI, try the regular debian install (netinst) cd vs the Live one |
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| 23:02.11 | cherry_lin | jelly: removing nomodeset form kernel options solved the problem with intel hd graphics haswell M |
| 23:02.21 | foul_owl | Ok let me try the netinstall iso |
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| 23:03.20 | xVim | xVim: See 'man scanimage'. And learn to google better. |
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| 23:04.20 | babilen | foul_owl: cp /home/foul_owl/Downloads/debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso /dev/sdh should do much the same thing |
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| 23:05.24 | foul_owl | Is cp to be preferred? If so why? |
| 23:05.26 | foul_owl | Just so I know |
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| 23:05.39 | babilen | foul_owl: I would, however, also recommend to installer image if you are planning to install debian. In particular the netinstall with firmware if you have a working internet connection during the installation. -- /msg dpkg firmware image -- /msg dpkg cd1 |
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| 23:05.39 | foul_owl | Also if I use cp, does my usb drive have to be formatted already? |
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| 23:05.58 | cafuego | foul_owl: no, you're copying to the device file, not a mount point. |
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| 23:06.06 | foul_owl | Well normally I have a script that installs my preseed file and repacks the iso |
| 23:06.06 | esaym153 | my thinkpad has bluetooth. Can I set it to stream all sound to my phone and then plug my headphones into my phone to here sounds that are on the computer? |
| 23:06.11 | babilen | foul_owl: I prefer the syntax and it scales blocksize automativally. I also prefer dcfldd over dd, but in the end it doesn't really matter |
| 23:06.23 | foul_owl | Ah, it scales blocksize automatically. Good call |
| 23:06.32 | esaym153 | (because I don';t have bluetook headphones, and headphone wire doesnt reach to computer...) |
| 23:06.45 | foul_owl | Hmm so normally I can repack my iso and I have no issues. This is the first time this has happened |
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| 23:11.12 | foul_owl | So I'm repacking my iso with: sudo xorriso -as mkisofs -D -r -J -joliet-long -l -V "Custom Install CD" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -iso-level 3 -no-emul-boot -partition_offset 16 -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -isohybrid-mbr /usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isohdpfx.bin -o $DEST_ISO . |
| 23:11.26 | foul_owl | Using the netinstall iso as the base |
| 23:13.00 | v0r0nwe | nevyn: actually i dont use compton for compositing... and cannot solve this for now, but anyway, thx for your assistance :) |
| 23:13.02 | v0r0nwe | gbye |
| 23:13.03 | axc1298 | when i installed debian, i didn't choose a desktop environment because i planned to install one later with apt-get. but my command prompt is constantly being spammed with output from the ufw firewall service. it's an annoying issue. has anyone dealt with that? |
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| 23:13.46 | foul_owl | Ok I needed to install the "isolinux" package |
| 23:13.49 | foul_owl | Thanks everyone! |
| 23:14.18 | cafuego | axc1298: From the service or from the kernel, about the firewall? |
| 23:14.36 | OneM_Industries | Hi! I have a server that I want to work on via serial port, but it appears that I need to install something on the server to allow it to take in a serial port signal and use it as a console input. How would I do this? |
| 23:14.43 | axc1298 | cafuego: i'm not sure from which |
| 23:14.44 | babilen | foul_owl: You really don't have to repack them at all .. they are immediately bootable |
| 23:15.01 | mutante | OneM_Industries: you might have to go to BIOS and enable the serial console |
| 23:15.07 | axc1298 | cafuego: i installed kde so now i don't see those messages but they are still occuring. i see them if i check dmesg |
| 23:15.24 | cafuego | axc1298: If any firewall rules are set to the LOG target, maybe that'd do it. (I don't use ufw, I use iptables directly) |
| 23:15.27 | axc1298 | so my dmesg is being spammed |
| 23:15.34 | OneM_Industries | mutante: Ok, but once I have done that, what would I need to install to be able to connect to it. |
| 23:15.48 | cafuego | axc1298: If it if from the kernel, you can tun that off my uncommenting a line in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 23:16.10 | cafuego | axc1298: Have a look at the top of the file, run 'sudo sysctl -p' when you've edited the file. |
| 23:16.14 | axc1298 | looks like [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT=MAC=00:00:00:00 SRC=192.168.X.X etc |
| 23:16.25 | jeezy | :o |
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| 23:16.33 | paul_ | Hi all, does anyone have knowledge on the correct way to create a raid0 ext4 partition on 2 4TB hard disk drives and then move the /home partition to it? I tried with mdadm but didn't have any luck. |
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| 23:16.45 | axc1298 | cafuego: ok i'll have a look at that file |
| 23:16.47 | cafuego | axc1298: Yeah, I think that's the kernel |
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| 23:17.00 | mutante | OneM_Industries: does the server have a separate mgmt console? for example Dell servers have a "DRAC" interface to connect to to use serial console |
| 23:17.26 | cafuego | paul_: raid0? |
| 23:17.31 | axc1298 | cafuego: i don't have a sysctl.conf on my system.. |
| 23:17.34 | cafuego | paul_: You want to use raid0 on purpose? |
| 23:17.36 | mutante | OneM_Industries: it would be a separate NIC and you would not have to do anything in the server itself |
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| 23:18.10 | OneM_Industries | It is a repurposed desktop. |
| 23:18.19 | cafuego | axc1298: wut |
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| 23:18.40 | paul_ | cafuego: I have a separate drive for stuff I care about losing, the raid is just for media like stream recordings and editing, and raid0 is faster. |
| 23:19.09 | paul_ | the drives are western digital greens, not the fastest things on the planet. |
| 23:19.36 | cafuego | paul_: The stuff you care about losing is on *a* drive? |
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| 23:20.19 | paul_ | cafuego: it's on sdd1 which gets backed up to an external hdd |
| 23:20.22 | cafuego | paul_: I know, I have a handful of greens in a raid+lvm here |
| 23:20.32 | OneM_Industries | mutante: It is a repurposed desktop. |
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| 23:20.39 | cafuego | paul_: Aight, as long as you're aware of the problem with raid0... |
| 23:20.56 | OneM_Industries | So, no management console. |
| 23:20.57 | axc1298 | cafuego: my mistake. i was typing systctl |
| 23:21.05 | cafuego | paul_: Make raid autodetect partitions on the drives, then mdadm --create |
| 23:21.45 | mutante | OneM_Industries: you gotta use "setserial" and change grub config http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-serial-console-on-debian-linux/ |
| 23:21.58 | OneM_Industries | Thank you! |
| 23:22.49 | cafuego | paul_: Specifically, https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup#RAID-0 |
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| 23:23.30 | paul_ | cafuego: I'm not aware of any specific issue with raid0 on debian? apart from the fact there is no redundancy and if 1 drive goes, you lose, go straight to jail etc :) lol Is there something specific to linux / debian that makes raid0 a bad choice? |
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| 23:24.05 | axc1298 | cafuego: i saw the line i needed to uncomment to hide low level messages. thanks for your help |
| 23:24.07 | cafuego | paul_: No, just complete data loss when a drive goes is pretty much it ;-) |
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| 23:25.49 | paul_ | cafuego: I assumed the process would be the same regardless of the raid type, i.e. - sudo mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 dev/sd[ab]1 ... just change the 0 to 1 or 5 etc, no? |
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| 23:29.49 | paul_ | cafuego: only just noticed the link, thanks a lot. |
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| 23:32.19 | cafuego | paul_: You may want to disable the monthly array resync job (though tbh I'm not sure if that runs for raid0 devices) |
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| 23:36.49 | paul_ | cafuego mdadm did ask me during set up if I wanted it to check drive integrity etc every month, but I selected no, didn't seem like much point with raid0 |
| 23:37.16 | cafuego | indeed, and it makes it slooooooow |
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| 23:48.02 | cherry_lin | if I have some packages installed from testing into my jessie |
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| 23:48.09 | cherry_lin | maybe it's a good idea to upgrade to testing? |
| 23:48.31 | markybob | cherry_lin, that's why they made backports |
| 23:48.33 | cherry_lin | I don't want to reinstall and there are not much packages there |
| 23:48.39 | cherry_lin | yes I know |
| 23:48.45 | cherry_lin | but I can't rewind time back |
| 23:49.07 | cherry_lin | and I don't want to downgrade |
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| 23:49.37 | cherry_lin | so is it a good idea? |
| 23:50.10 | markybob | cherry_lin, go to #debian-next on irc.debian.net and ask about the current state of testing. |
| 23:50.20 | markybob | irc.oftc.net :P |
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