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| 00:50.55 | user | hi |
| 00:51.08 | Miga | hi |
| 00:51.15 | user | Hey Miga! |
| 00:51.25 | Miga | Hello user |
| 00:51.28 | Snoob | HI |
| 00:51.53 | TomTomTosch | hi |
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| 00:52.45 | meth | are 8.3.0 isos released yet? |
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| 00:54.03 | dvs | meth: yup |
| 00:54.44 | meth | OK i'll download it now, dvs do you have any idea how to combine all isos into one USB flash bootable disk ? |
| 00:55.09 | dvs | meth: how big is the USB? |
| 00:55.49 | meth | 16GB |
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| 00:56.14 | dvs | meth: 16GB can't fit all of the isos |
| 00:56.50 | meth | why? dvs they are about 8GB |
| 00:56.53 | meth | the 2 DVDs |
| 00:57.01 | meth | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 00:57.11 | dvs | meth: There are about 10 DVDs total. |
| 00:57.27 | meth | snap |
| 00:57.46 | meth | OK DVD1 is fine i guess. the missed packages can be downloaded LOL. |
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| 00:59.37 | dvs | S*#t! There's 13 DVDs in total. |
| 01:00.10 | meth | whatever. i may end up using the netinstall.iso LOL |
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| 01:15.40 | stoned | Hello |
| 01:15.45 | stakewinner00 | why in a debian 6.0.5 su binary doesn't have the sticky bit? |
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| 01:21.59 | awal1 | I have 'lirc' pack installed , so why mplayer (cli mode) displays "Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control"? |
| 01:22.25 | awal1 | ejecuted with -nolirc option, the error isn't shown |
| 01:23.11 | Snoob | laptop? |
| 01:23.48 | awal1 | is there any difference if I add to mplayer config nolirc=yes or nolirc=true ? |
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| 01:23.56 | awal1 | Snoob: yes, laptop |
| 01:24.34 | awal1 | I mean is there any difference yes/true? stupid question but curious :D |
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| 01:33.06 | lemondom | when I install libfuse-dev package, why does it Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 01:33.11 | lemondom | I mean, it is just a dev package, right? |
| 01:41.26 | edju | tried to run netselect-app and got "/usr/bin/netselect-apt: wget failed to retrieve http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full". any advice appreciated. |
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| 02:11.01 | awal1 | What is Control+KP_Add and Control+KP_Subtract keys? |
| 02:11.06 | awal1 | what are ^ |
| 02:11.25 | awal1 | + and - ? |
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| 02:12.09 | otyugh | awal1, you can use "xev" to find out |
| 02:12.23 | awal1 | I'm trying to set up yeahconsole/xterm and I dont know what those keys are |
| 02:12.29 | otyugh | happy smashing <3 |
| 02:13.34 | awal1 | otyugh: oh, ok, right. I forgot xev |
| 02:13.43 | awal1 | yes they are + and - keys |
| 02:13.47 | otyugh | x) |
| 02:13.53 | otyugh | good to know. |
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| 02:15.53 | awal1 | but I dont get yeahconsole to work (increase/decrease height) with the default combination keys (ctrl alt+ and ctrl alt -). Probably it's related with https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602493 |
| 02:15.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/602493 in xbindkeys (open): «xbindkeys: cannot handle ctrl+alt+kp_add»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-11-05; last modified: 2014-02-16. |
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| 02:16.45 | otyugh | (can't answer, I don't know yeahconsole.) |
| 02:16.56 | ninesix | Hey? Can anyone help here with chat invites? |
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| 02:22.24 | awal1 | otyugh: yeahconsole is a drop-down X terminal emulator wrapper, similar to guake/tilda; it support some terminal emulators such as xterm, rxvt and mrxvt |
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| 02:29.20 | Korak | Hello everyone, is there a way to adjust what the max volume level is? |
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| 02:31.38 | otyugh | Korak, in an absolute manner ? I don't know. But you can control it by alsa (alsamixer) or pulseaudio (pavucontrol). |
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| 02:32.34 | Korak | I use the Alsa mixer, I was trying to find out if I could adjust what the upper limit was |
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| 02:33.34 | Korak | I have Debian 8 on my laptop and the max volume is still a bit on the quiet side. I know this laptop can produce much greater volume. |
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| 02:35.43 | otyugh | don't you use pulseaudio ontop of alsa ? |
| 02:37.05 | nevyn | Korak: can you run alsa-info.sh and upload th result? |
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| 02:38.14 | Korak | Command not found |
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| 02:39.16 | nevyn | ugh still not fixed #531005 Sigh |
| 02:39.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/531005 in alsa-utils (open): «[alsa-utils] wishlist: Add alsa-info.sh script»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2009-05-29; last modified: 2009-05-29. |
| 02:39.33 | nevyn | wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh |
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| 02:40.52 | Korak | ok |
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| 02:41.10 | awal1 | Korak: some links that may give you pistes https://milkteafuzz.com/j/2013/03/16/increasing-maximum-volume-with-alsa/ http://askubuntu.com/questions/219739/adjust-max-possible-volume-in-pulseaudio |
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| 02:47.55 | Korak | Thank you everyone for the help, this looks like it has me headed in the right direction |
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| 02:53.18 | qu1nn | Hi, been using debian as a user for a couple of years, kudos on the stability... I never have any issues... |
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| 02:54.03 | dvs | you're lucky!!! |
| 02:54.16 | qu1nn | I am using KDE and when I go to SERVICES MANAGER , the DISPLAY MANAGEMENT is not running.... I need to be able to port out the display to the vga.... |
| 02:54.44 | qu1nn | I cannot login as root (as it isnt allowed), so How do I make the setting change, it is grayed out |
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| 02:58.41 | nevyn | qu1nn: display management is something else |
| 02:58.53 | nevyn | qu1nn: you want settings 'display configuraiton' |
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| 02:59.02 | nevyn | qu1nn: or krandr |
| 02:59.26 | Hello71 | you mean kscreen |
| 02:59.56 | nevyn | yes yes I do. |
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| 03:02.35 | qu1nn | kde > system settings > Display and Monitor....does the system know whether or not a vga input is connected? |
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| 03:03.33 | nevyn | umm it should |
| 03:03.46 | nevyn | because the system should get edid when it's attached |
| 03:06.29 | Hello71 | uh... well, yes, but not for that reason |
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| 03:07.03 | Hello71 | that's like saying the computer knows when power is connected because all the lights turn on |
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| 03:07.29 | nevyn | Hello71: sure. but xrandr gets the list of modes from the edid so.. it's not completely... whatever |
| 03:08.11 | Hello71 | no, it gets them using the RANDR extension |
| 03:08.29 | nevyn | right. which got them from the EDID |
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| 03:14.42 | awal1 | excuses |
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| 03:18.04 | qu1nn | i figured it out. thanks |
| 03:18.39 | awal1 | themill, months ago I remember we were talking about why battery lates less under linux then under windows and about the work in progress that is done for solve the battery life under gni/linux (bios, non-free stuffs...) but I don't give with the web links you pasted here where one can learn about all that. My key words googling dont return me nothing, bad keywords I guess. Any clue? |
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| 03:25.24 | Artemis3 | awal1, i have gotten into the habit to keep the governor into powersave, unless something really intensive (such as a game) comes, which then i switch it to perfomance. When i finish, i set it back into powersafe. The ondemand governor isn't as good in my experince for either situation. |
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| 03:27.14 | awal1 | Artemis3: under debian-gnu-linux you are talking? |
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| 03:29.22 | awal1 | I don't know about any power management pack/daemon with such feature (powersave/performance) under debian or any other gnu-linux OS |
| 03:29.52 | awal1 | Artemis3, I guess you refer to Windows ? |
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| 03:30.38 | markybob | awal1, no. no. https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
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| 03:34.49 | awal1 | markybob: oh, ok, thanks for te link. I never thought/heard that such option (cpu freq. scaling) is possible under linux . great so |
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| 03:35.29 | awal1 | I'm a novice into gnu/linux world, so I ignore a lot of things |
| 03:35.53 | awal1 | Artemis3, excuse my ignorance and thanks for your time :) |
| 03:36.57 | Artemis3 | awal1, i just do this in the console: cpufreq-set -g powersave or cpufreq-set -g performance |
| 03:37.36 | Artemis3 | awal1, needs cpufrequtils of course :) |
| 03:38.37 | awal1 | Artemis3: nice. Yeah I have that pack installed (by debian installer by default , possibly). Those commands are / will be all what <i'll need |
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| 03:39.15 | awal1 | Artemis3, thanks a lot |
| 03:39.32 | Artemis3 | in a laptop maybe you can make an event to use perfomance when plugged and powersave when unplugged, iirc |
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| 03:42.19 | awal1 | Artemis3, no idea if that is possible, probably yes. I'll check tutorials and man for see what I can do/experiment . thanks |
| 03:43.51 | Artemis3 | laptop-mode-tools or something? |
| 03:44.14 | Artemis3 | or i be lazy and set it to powersave by default and use the command only ocasionally |
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| 03:45.01 | Artemis3 | https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 03:46.26 | awal1 | Artemis3: no idea for now. that pack (laptopmodetools) isn't installed here. i'll install it and check it |
| 03:46.44 | Artemis3 | i wouldn't bother |
| 03:46.47 | Artemis3 | probably not worth it |
| 03:47.03 | Artemis3 | just fix it into powersave |
| 03:47.17 | markybob | awal1, yeah you can. install pm-utils. then do something like this https://paste.debian.net/367833/ |
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| 03:47.48 | Artemis3 | oh that works |
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| 03:48.11 | markybob | awal1, put something like that in /etc/pm/power.d/ |
| 03:48.20 | Artemis3 | but then i might want to leave it in powersave also with AC :) |
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| 03:49.32 | Artemis3 | the return of the "turbo" button :) |
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| 03:51.02 | awal1 | markybob: pmutils is installed yet here. nice again. I'll check and try that paste |
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| 03:51.43 | awal1 | so <i have some packs installed by default yet and I dont know what one can do with all them, poor me :D |
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| 03:56.14 | awal1 | Thanks, guys. |
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| 04:06.57 | msn | i have ldap authentication(samba4 actually) now i have some user trying to run cron and i keep getting Permission Denied in cron log. Same script runs fine from command line even from only a user from LDAP can't get it (sssd) |
| 04:07.20 | nevyn | cron.allow? |
| 04:08.12 | markybob | msn, you may want to try #samba |
| 04:08.12 | msn | both files don't exist |
| 04:09.30 | msn | mmmm don't think this is a samba issue more of auth issue, somewhere somehow the user is not allowed to run cron |
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| 04:12.08 | msn | more of the pam issue i think |
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| 04:12.22 | msn | yup cron.allow did nothing pam issue |
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| 04:25.34 | idosedthekoolaid | hai....i might get run outta here at pitchferkpoint for thius but.....has there been ANY news on what happened to Mr. Ian? |
| 04:25.42 | idosedthekoolaid | it concerns me |
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| 04:26.31 | idosedthekoolaid | that somEone with such heavy involvement in principled as hellfree software propject dies under weird and hushed circumstances |
| 04:27.50 | themill | it does not concern you at all (and in any case, Ian was not involved in Debian for about 20 years) |
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| 04:28.56 | idosedthekoolaid | well since you know so well what does and does not concern me themill, how's about it piques my interest? |
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| 04:28.59 | idosedthekoolaid | fascinates me? |
| 04:29.08 | idosedthekoolaid | makes me horny? |
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| 04:29.20 | themill | still not your business |
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| 04:36.48 | petn-randall | AlwaysHigh: It sounds like you're going faster than 10 Gbit/s right now. |
| 04:37.23 | petn-randall | Argh, was accidentally scrolled back, nevermind AlwaysHigh. |
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| 04:44.53 | freq | hello |
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| 05:16.45 | beepie | !news |
| 05:16.56 | gellioth | dpkg guidelines |
| 05:16.56 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask, just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading documentation (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill, practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people), see <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste into a <pastebin>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
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| 05:23.47 | hiya | Would Debian 8, minimal server work with 512MB of VPS? 1vCore access? |
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| 05:24.29 | buu | Ok I'm getting desperate here. Can anyone point me at troubleshooting for why a kvm guest being created by virt-install can't access the network no matter what config I use? |
| 05:24.35 | beepie | hiya, y |
| 05:24.51 | beepie | hiya, can work as low as 128 i think, or maybe 256, but 512 is way more than enough |
| 05:25.18 | hiya | beepie, my friend having issues with OpenVPN server on CentOS 5 |
| 05:25.19 | hiya | lol |
| 05:25.22 | hiya | he has an option for Debian 8 |
| 05:25.27 | hiya | so I suggest him to install it |
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| 05:26.15 | hiya | beepie, should we go with Debian 8 32-bit or 64-bit? |
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| 05:28.04 | beepie | hiya, you should be asking your provider those questions, they know what's running hardware-wise |
| 05:28.23 | hiya | ok |
| 05:28.56 | beepie | hiya, i doubt you have to worry. debian 32 or 64 is well supported and have equal number of packages |
| 05:29.08 | beepie | hiya, (for debian official repositories) |
| 05:29.12 | hiya | beepie, but 64-bit on 512MB ram? |
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| 05:29.35 | beepie | they setup your vps for you.. you don't need to worry if its 32 or 64, --- but you do need to know |
| 05:29.44 | beepie | what "amd64" and "i386" and "i686" mean |
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| 05:30.07 | hiya | beepie, there is an option for 32-bit vs 64-bit in droplet section |
| 05:30.10 | hiya | which one should I get? |
| 05:30.10 | beepie | but that depends on what you can do |
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| 05:30.17 | hiya | they do not worry about anything just give an interface |
| 05:30.20 | beepie | hiya, doesn't matter |
| 05:30.25 | hiya | ok 64-bit then |
| 05:30.28 | hiya | Thanks |
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| 05:31.20 | rue_house | where the hell did inittab go!!!! |
| 05:31.41 | beepie | rue_house, microsoft took it because they patented inittab |
| 05:31.47 | beepie | rue_house, so debian had to remove it |
| 05:32.04 | rue_house | I pomised someone I'd have a project ready for them tommorow and now I dont know hwo to get my program started on bootup |
| 05:32.15 | beepie | rue_house, blame microshoft |
| 05:32.26 | rue_house | where the hell do I put the stuff that goes in inittab? |
| 05:32.31 | beepie | rue_house, i know eh |
| 05:32.38 | beepie | rue_house, dam bastards |
| 05:32.49 | rue_house | where the hell do I put the stuff that goes in inittab? |
| 05:33.02 | beepie | rue_house, put a gun to my head |
| 05:33.20 | beepie | rue_house, and start counting, i may have taken it away teheheh |
| 05:33.52 | rue_house | I'd like to know soon, as I'm gonna have someone really antzie all over me tommorow asking why the things I said I'd do for free isnt ready yet |
| 05:34.01 | beepie | rue_house, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:34.06 | beepie | rue_house, #troll ::))))) |
| 05:34.19 | rue_house | arg |
| 05:34.26 | rue_house | anyone have a real answer? |
| 05:34.33 | beepie | rue_house, i do! |
| 05:34.37 | beepie | !rtfm |
| 05:34.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 05:34.39 | rue_house | damnit, why do I help people when they want projects like this? |
| 05:34.40 | beepie | !systemd |
| 05:34.40 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 05:34.44 | beepie | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 05:34.56 | rue_house | so systemd replaced init? |
| 05:34.59 | beepie | deal with it! |
| 05:35.08 | beepie | rue_house, fuck yeah! |
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| 05:35.14 | beepie | rue_house, systemd is the best thing ever! |
| 05:35.21 | rue_house | so, when the kernel starts up it start systemd and not init |
| 05:35.21 | buu | beepie: Jesus christ stop talking |
| 05:35.22 | beepie | rue_house, inittab SUX. |
| 05:35.30 | rue_house | what configures systemd? |
| 05:35.41 | LambdaComplex | rue_house: systemctl commands, mostly |
| 05:35.45 | buu | rue_house: systemd uses a number of .service files |
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| 05:35.52 | rue_house | how do I take the 1 line of text I needed for init and do the same with systemd? |
| 05:36.02 | LambdaComplex | rue_house: Depends on what that line of text is |
| 05:36.06 | rue_house | where are the .service files? |
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| 05:36.17 | LambdaComplex | probably /etc/systemd |
| 05:36.20 | rue_house | it runs a program in levels 2 and 3 |
| 05:36.23 | buu | rue_house: http://n3mesisfixx.blogspot.com/2012/08/migrate-etcinittab-job-to-systemd-in.html |
| 05:36.25 | rue_house | k, brb |
| 05:36.33 | rue_house | ah |
| 05:36.37 | rue_house | cool, I think |
| 05:37.07 | rue_house | are there runlevels anymore? |
| 05:37.27 | rue_house | systemctl enable gpsrvd.service <-- dear god that sounds like microsoft |
| 05:37.36 | buu | rue_house: basically runlevels have names now |
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| 05:37.39 | buu | I think |
| 05:37.52 | rue_house | haha nobody knows how systemd works yet |
| 05:38.02 | beepie | rue_house, i don't. so you need to rtfm |
| 05:38.06 | beepie | rue_house, :) |
| 05:38.16 | beepie | rue_house, learn to deal with it :) |
| 05:38.18 | buu | It's a newish system with its own way of doing things |
| 05:38.29 | rue_house | it really sucks when they keep reinventing the wheel, with different bolt patterms |
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| 05:38.44 | beepie | rue_house, yeah but inittab really sucks. |
| 05:38.52 | beepie | rue_house, you just got face it |
| 05:39.04 | rue_house | looks like my 1 line from inittab becomes a whole file |
| 05:39.09 | rue_house | ughgkg |
| 05:39.16 | beepie | rue_house, you come on here never hearing of systemd and then now all of a sudden you're an some-what expert on the subject.. really? |
| 05:39.21 | beepie | pff! |
| 05:39.40 | Miga | ...seriously |
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| 05:41.10 | buu | rue_house: Mostly you just put names in front of each part of the line |
| 05:41.42 | rue_house | its a hoop I didn't need right when I didn't need it |
| 05:42.04 | buu | You'll learn it then forget it was ever different and never think about it again |
| 05:43.00 | rue_house | its a mockery anyhow, I'm using a computer to play a wav file when a button is pushed |
| 05:43.12 | beepie | .wav is 1980's |
| 05:43.14 | beepie | bah |
| 05:43.15 | buu | Sounds fancy |
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| 05:43.19 | beepie | get modern |
| 05:43.25 | rue_house | it shouldbe an arduino but there wasn't time to write a freaking properly working wav library for the arduino |
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| 05:43.58 | buu | uh |
| 05:43.58 | buu | ffmpeg |
| 05:44.04 | simonlnu | wav is lossless |
| 05:44.11 | rue_house | (there are no proper library to play wav files on an arduino) |
| 05:44.19 | buu | oh arduino |
| 05:44.24 | buu | I keep getting it confused with rpi |
| 05:44.33 | rue_house | and the program used to play a wav file on linux keep changing between sox and something random |
| 05:44.43 | beepie | rue_house, i think you want #raspbian |
| 05:45.10 | rue_house | no ther is no time |
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| 05:45.18 | rue_house | this was SUPPOSED to be ready tommorow |
| 05:45.31 | beepie | rue_house, why not go fix your shit? instead of complaining on everything |
| 05:45.54 | buu | beepie: STOP TALKING |
| 05:46.09 | rue_house | I'm going to get phone calls every 2 minutes tommorow from 40 different people asking if its ready yet |
| 05:46.14 | simonlnu | stop yelling |
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| 05:47.06 | beepie | buu, beep outta order, what did ya say? |
| 05:47.10 | beepie | beeps! |
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| 05:47.50 | rue_house | where are the service files? |
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| 05:47.59 | beepie | he doesn't even use debian(betcha) |
| 05:48.05 | rue_house | I'm int /etc/systemd |
| 05:48.07 | beepie | digresses |
| 05:48.19 | rue_house | and I dont see anything for services but wants |
| 05:48.27 | rue_house | what are .wants |
| 05:48.54 | rue_house | ok, /etc/systemd/system |
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| 05:49.18 | rue_house | there are wants and service |
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| 05:49.31 | rue_house | what is the difference? |
| 05:50.13 | netsrot | Hi, my amd graphics driver stoped working when I tried to reinstall debian. I get firegl_postinit_debugger when booting. |
| 05:50.21 | rue_house | why are file headers always pointless text? |
| 05:50.22 | buu | wants are dependencies |
| 05:50.28 | buu | services are things |
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| 05:50.38 | rue_house | but what I have to run is more like a service |
| 05:50.52 | rue_house | its just something that runs on the system and has to be started at boot |
| 05:50.52 | buu | so.. write a service file.. |
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| 05:51.12 | buu | It's like 3 lines of 10 characters |
| 05:51.22 | rue_house | can I leave out the after section? |
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| 05:51.29 | buu | probably |
| 05:51.33 | buu | You can leave out most of them |
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| 05:52.07 | rue_house | what is Install? |
| 05:52.31 | buu | Which runmode uses it |
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| 05:53.09 | rue_house | so multiuser.target is multi user run mode (2, 3, 4, 5, 6) |
| 05:53.11 | rue_house | ? |
| 05:53.31 | buu | Except those modes don't actually exist any more, sure |
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| 05:56.21 | rue_house | and I presume that with this new system, any sensitivity regarding whitespace type went out the window? |
| 05:56.35 | rue_house | tab != 5 spaces, etc |
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| 05:57.21 | beepie | systemd does not use runlevels. |
| 05:57.33 | beepie | blergh |
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| 05:59.10 | rue_house | bah, I'm late for bed, thanks for the help! |
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| 06:03.54 | n_blownapart | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:06.26 | n_blownapart | sorry for repost : hello with vlc I'm getting this error : No css library available. I have a fresh debian jessie system with newest version of libdvdread4 . thanks for responses |
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| 06:17.52 | nevyn | n_blownapart: css isn't in debian |
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| 06:18.15 | nevyn | n_blownapart: you're trying to play a commercial dvd? |
| 06:20.04 | buu | Well that was fun. |
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| 06:24.57 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:30.16 | beepie | hi |
| 06:30.34 | beepie | the darthvader of smurfs! |
| 06:30.34 | pingfloyd | n_blownapart: you need to use the deb-multimedia repo for that |
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| 06:32.18 | pingfloyd | n_blownapart: It's unsupported but here's site and info for using the repository https://www.deb-multimedia.org/ |
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| 06:39.39 | beepie | gosh people still use dvds these days? twah twah twah hahaha |
| 06:40.07 | beepie | so 1990s |
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| 06:47.11 | n_blownapart | pingfloyd, thanks just saw your suggestion. pax |
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| 06:49.53 | n_blownapart | nevyn, sorry just saw the above. yes, commercial dvds. thank you |
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| 08:07.17 | kexibq | anyone know why nvidia 352.x has dissapeared from experimental? It was fine a couple of days ago, now it just pulls 340.x which doesn't work with my system. |
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| 08:13.03 | darxmurf | kexibq: you can get the nvidia driver on their website |
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| 08:14.56 | at0m | ,nvidia |
| 08:14.57 | kexibq | darxmurf, thanks, I'm aware of that, although that isn't the suggested way to go about it. |
| 08:15.15 | kexibq | For anyone wondering, the package hit sid now |
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| 08:15.39 | at0m | dpkg: nvidia |
| 08:15.40 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:16.21 | at0m | kexibq: here is only for Stable. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/sid |
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| 08:20.23 | oskie | I did fix it , but it's always scary when it happens |
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| 08:23.11 | donoban | kexibq: experimental means testing? |
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| 08:30.06 | at0m | dpkg: experimental |
| 08:30.07 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 08:32.35 | kexibq | thanks at0m |
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| 08:34.20 | at0m | kexibq: you're welcome! |
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| 08:41.44 | donoban | ty |
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| 08:54.33 | rdz | hey all. is there a way to validate content of /etc/timezone ? |
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| 09:00.51 | berkeley | Is every config for apache2 in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled standard included for every vhost? |
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| 09:01.37 | oskie | berkeley: yes |
| 09:02.17 | berkeley | Ok, thanks! |
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| 09:36.46 | BernhardPosselt | wow, the updates today are quite a lot |
| 09:36.50 | BernhardPosselt | anything special? |
| 09:36.59 | BernhardPosselt | regarding the apache and php updates |
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| 09:44.14 | Iridos | is there a tool that lets me amplify the audio of an mp4 (vid is AVC, audio is AAC) without having to re-encode the whole thing? |
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| 09:44.43 | tdn | I am trying to set up backupninja for backup to local disks. I have set up desturl as a file:///backup/foo, however, I only want the backup to run when /backup/foo is actually mounted. Appearently, this does not work. Backupninja runs and duplicity instead just starts copying backup to the root filesystem, because /backup/foo is not mounted. How do I solve this? |
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| 09:45.27 | Iridos | alternately a player which could amplify the input stream to be at the max for the buffer duration (>>10 seconds) would be ok... it's a talk where the voice is too low... I know I can use softvol of mplaye... |
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| 09:51.22 | Iridos | tdn, simplest would be to put "when = manual" ? |
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| 09:56.11 | Iridos | although one wonders how that start-time is accomplished anyway |
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| 09:56.28 | Iridos | oh, it's a cron.d thingy |
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| 09:58.15 | Iridos | tdn, I guess you could also edit /etc/cron.d/backupninja to check for the mounted device and only run the script if it's mounted |
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| 09:59.23 | Iridos | easiest would probably be to create a file or directory on the mounted partition and check existence with [ -f ] or [ -d ] |
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| 10:16.36 | tdn | Iridos, problem with when=manual is that then I have to remember to actually do it. |
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| 10:18.02 | tdn | Iridos, if I edit cron.d/backupninja, then it works for backupninja globally. That is not good. Backupninja is the "backup master". And it performs several backups. Some of those are remote backups and they need to be done every day via cron. Some are local backup to encrypted USB drives. They only need to be done when the disk is present. |
| 10:18.27 | tdn | Iridos, problem is where to put the -f or -d check. |
| 10:18.40 | leonarth | resolvconf does not pickup the DNS information in /network/interfaces - anyone knows what could it be? |
| 10:19.09 | tdn | leonarth, doesn't it get DNS info from the DHCP server? |
| 10:20.02 | leonarth | no, it's configured statically: iface eth0 inet static |
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| 10:23.52 | tdn | leonarth, ok. What does your interfaces file and /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base look like? Can you paste them on http://paste.yt or similar? |
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| 10:25.02 | leonarth | base is empty tdn |
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| 10:25.13 | tdn | leonarth, what about 'head? |
| 10:25.23 | Caelum | is python part of the base system? how do I check? |
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| 10:25.32 | tdn | Caelum, pretty sure it is. |
| 10:25.38 | Caelum | thank you |
| 10:26.02 | leonarth | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 10:26.02 | leonarth | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 10:26.12 | leonarth | for the head |
| 10:26.35 | tdn | And your interfaces file? |
| 10:26.47 | leonarth | I tried doing: resolvconf -d eth0.static |
| 10:26.55 | leonarth | but it doesn't populate the /etc/resolv.conf file with the info |
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| 10:27.46 | leonarth | tdn: sent you the paste |
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| 10:30.48 | leonarth | thing is that if I do resolvconf -a it gets stuck |
| 10:30.52 | leonarth | so there's an error somewhere |
| 10:31.11 | leonarth | the interfaces file is correct |
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| 10:38.02 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 10:38.17 | ychaouche | I think something is wrong with my update-rc.d command : http://paste.debian.net/plain/367989 |
| 10:38.39 | ychaouche | I am trying to get rid of the infomaniak service, but I still can see it after the update-rc.d command |
| 10:38.50 | ychaouche | with service --status-all |
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| 10:55.27 | ehlo_b1 | hello. I'dont get prompt for passphrase for luks during boot. Instead it says 'error: device name required, press any key to continue" Any idea why? Grub.cfg: http://pastebin.com/GZsuXp1y kernel: linux-image-4.3.0-1-amd64 there is video of that behavior https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13ruhtUcwRo&feature=youtu.be |
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| 10:58.11 | XTF | Hi, since the recent rsyslog stable update it refuses to restart.. systemd[1]: Failed to start System Logging Service. How do I fix this? |
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| 11:00.21 | cyphix | ehlo_b1: I have the same symptom. It's, if I remember correctly, due to a grub bug. It's du to the 'cryptomount -u' lines. Commenting them /should/ fix it |
| 11:00.52 | cyphix | ehlo_b1: But you can also simply press a key, and it should boot normally |
| 11:02.30 | cyphix | ehlo_b1: Oh sorry, didn't watch the video. I would say that the "device name required" issue is not related to the fact that it does not ask for a passphrase. I have the former, not the latter. |
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| 11:05.57 | G3re | Hi! I need to chose a Debian 8 image for the KVM virtual host with 2 Gb RAM. Is 32 bit faster than 64 bit? |
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| 11:07.32 | donoban | it shouldn't G3re |
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| 11:08.23 | G3re | donoban, any advantages whatsoever of 32 bit ? |
| 11:08.33 | G3re | donoban, thank you |
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| 11:10.25 | donoban | I'm not sure but if your architecture is x64 I think that 64bits code should have larger operants and could do some things (very few) in few lines. I think 64bits should be better but pretty marginal |
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| 11:14.42 | ziz15 | hello,can someone tell if i must comment the main,updates and security sources when add contrib with the same (updates,sec) in sources.list?thanks) |
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| 11:15.32 | donoban | G3re: maybe I'm wrong, take a look here https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/32-or-64-bit-virtual-cpu-in-kvm/ (altought pretty old) |
| 11:15.40 | allizom | ziz15: you can just add contrib after main in those same lines there were before |
| 11:15.49 | markybob | ziz15, no. you should probably pastebin your final sources.list |
| 11:16.37 | XTF | G3re: Memory usage might be a bit lower and thus more efficient on 32-bit |
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| 11:17.22 | markybob | ziz15, you should have something like this https://paste.debian.net/368030/ |
| 11:18.03 | ziz15 | markybob: thanks man |
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| 11:20.01 | ziz15 | markybob: only them right??No more previous main repos right??just main contrib(sec and upd also) repos?sorry if the question is dumb.. |
| 11:20.35 | markybob | ziz15, just use what i posted |
| 11:20.46 | markybob | ziz15, right, nothing else |
| 11:20.52 | ziz15 | markybob: ok thanks!!! |
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| 11:21.13 | rezotu | hi everyone ! |
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| 11:22.46 | rezotu | hello there |
| 11:22.56 | rezotu | is there anyone who can help me ? |
| 11:23.03 | markybob | !ask |
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| 11:23.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:25.50 | markybob | okay...this has never happened before. i'm getting ping: unknown host security.debian.org ...everything okay? |
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| 11:26.13 | rezotu | Oh ok, i was just trying some courtesy . So I have a probleme with Debian 8.2 on a VmWare, My eth0 is bridged but the systeme is getting an ipV6 addres and i don't have internet. How can I set My Th0 to get an ip from the Dhcp of my real network ? thanks ! |
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| 11:31.58 | XTF | Hi, since the recent rsyslog stable update it refuses to restart.. systemd[1]: Failed to start System Logging Service. How do I fix this? |
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| 11:42.59 | cyphix | When I try to upgrade my system, netfilter-persistent fails to configure correctly, apparently because of the error "Failed to insert 'ipmi_si': No such device". How can I fix that? |
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| 11:55.38 | willemb | Hi. I am seeing performance degradation under 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae on wheezy, compared to 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae |
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| 11:57.18 | willemb | I changed nothing other than the kernel, and load average went from under 10 to over 30 |
| 11:57.33 | JTeatime | Does apt-get mark packages as manuall vs. auto-installed now, like aptitude? |
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| 11:59.06 | willemb | it definitely looks like iowait is the thing that changed |
| 12:00.28 | willemb | should I be asking in a different channel? |
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| 12:03.51 | dionysus69 | lately the following has been happening: I suspend my laptop and when I wake it up and authenticate I get no apps running from last time which is very weird. any suggestions? |
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| 12:04.14 | dionysus69 | this is a big "instability" and I am using debian for its stability really hehe |
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| 12:07.50 | shambat | is there a reason why Debian sid still has bind 9.9 as its release version? bind 9.10 has a number of improvements and has been available since early 2014 |
| 12:07.58 | cyphix | I'm running debian jessie. What should be the output of uname -r normally? |
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| 12:09.17 | JTeatime | cyphix: depends, on if you're up-to-date, and your architecture. mine is 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 12:10.18 | cyphix | JTeatime: Ok. That's what I have. I'm puzzled because I should be able to load a module called 'ipmi_si', but I don't have it. |
| 12:10.45 | JTeatime | cyphix: search for it with apt-file |
| 12:12.09 | cyphix | JTeatime: I don't know how this command works :/ |
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| 12:13.36 | JTeatime | meh it was bad advice anyway |
| 12:14.05 | cyphix | Ok, found it. |
| 12:14.37 | cyphix | It's under "/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/ipmi/ipmi_si.ko" |
| 12:14.44 | JTeatime | yeah I was going to say |
| 12:14.50 | JTeatime | I seem to have it, I assume you actually do have it |
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| 12:15.11 | JTeatime | are you trying to do `modprobe ipmi_si` ? |
| 12:15.30 | cyphix | JTeatime: Well, enventually, that's what I tried, and it failed |
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| 12:16.01 | JTeatime | no such device? |
| 12:16.13 | cyphix | JTeatime: Exact |
| 12:16.49 | JTeatime | I'm guessing that means the driver (module) doesn't find any hardware on your system that it can manage |
| 12:16.50 | cyphix | And apparently I need it to upgrade my system successfully |
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| 12:16.52 | JTeatime | but I don't know for sure |
| 12:17.22 | cyphix | it's required by the package 'netfilter-persistent' |
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| 12:17.33 | JTeatime | it is? |
| 12:17.44 | tdn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.55 | tdn | leonarth, you run resolvconf -u, right? |
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| 12:18.18 | JTeatime | cyphix: what makes you think that? |
| 12:18.22 | cyphix | Well, this package fails to configure, and journalctl -xn tells me that it can't load the driver |
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| 12:19.03 | JTeatime | cyphix: I think you're looking at a red-herring |
| 12:19.17 | tdn | leonarth, oh, wait a minute. /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base is empty... You should probably put "nameserver 8.8.8.8 ..." in there before doing the -u command. |
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| 12:20.42 | shambat | #debian-next redirects to #debian, is that by design? |
| 12:20.50 | cyphix | JTeatime: Thi is the upgrade error message: https://p.cyphix.org/view/78ff3c51 |
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| 12:21.30 | bazhang | #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) shambat |
| 12:21.41 | shambat | oh |
| 12:21.44 | JTeatime | cyphix: are you upgrading to unstable or something? |
| 12:21.51 | shambat | bazhang: ty |
| 12:21.55 | bazhang | np |
| 12:22.03 | cyphix | JTeatime: And this is the journalctl -xn message : https://p.cyphix.org/view/1b0b7416 |
| 12:22.08 | cyphix | JT not at all |
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| 12:23.00 | JTeatime | cyphix: do you have ipmi_si listed manually in /etc/modules or something? |
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| 12:23.26 | cyphix | JTeatime: No |
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| 12:24.01 | JTeatime | that's really weird. if you're just on stable or testing, I think you've found a bug |
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| 12:24.20 | cyphix | JTeatime: Damn... ;) |
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| 12:25.26 | JTeatime | ah, you have ipmitool package installed? |
| 12:25.47 | cyphix | JTeatime: I have yes |
| 12:26.00 | JTeatime | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766418 |
| 12:26.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/766418 in ipmitool (closed): «ipmitool: ipmi_si not loading on desktop system; should ipmievd be a separate package?»; severity: important; opened: 2014-10-22; last modified: 2015-06-10. |
| 12:26.03 | JTeatime | the bug is in that package |
| 12:26.31 | JTeatime | you can work around by removing the package if you don't use it, or rm |
| 12:26.35 | JTeatime | /usr/lib/modules-load.d/ipmievd.conf |
| 12:26.54 | cyphix | JTeatime: Ah good! I'll see why I have this package. Maybe it's a dependency |
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| 12:27.56 | leonarth | tdn: thanks will try |
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| 12:28.44 | cyphix | JTeatime: Ok, I just commented the call for ipmi_si in the conf file, and it seems to be fixed. Thanks a lot! |
| 12:28.52 | JTeatime | np |
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| 12:49.11 | bugnuts | there was a really really good linux book that i came across on i think... debian forums, does anyone know what it is? |
| 12:49.16 | bugnuts | or a good one? |
| 12:49.51 | bugnuts | it gave me many ahhh ha! moments but i lost it, due to mass nuking of partitions in preprateion for a clean install |
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| 12:50.51 | JTeatime | Does apt-get mark packages as manuall vs. auto-installed now, like aptitude? |
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| 12:51.54 | bugnuts | apt-get installs stable packages and dosent install testing/beta unless forced to with upgrade or dist-upgrade the later jumping distros |
| 12:52.05 | bugnuts | or well whole realease |
| 12:52.25 | bugnuts | backports as well, are installing from the next release |
| 12:53.21 | bugnuts | it also depends on, what is in your sources list and which repositorys you have added |
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| 12:54.32 | bugnuts | most of the time aptitude is user mainteined packages some are up to date, some are duplicates from multiple uses with varing sucess or current updates from the port |
| 12:54.48 | JTeatime | no... |
| 12:54.52 | JTeatime | stop. |
| 12:55.41 | bugnuts | apt-get is just the way... |
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| 12:56.05 | at0m | bugnuts: i understood JTeatime uses single repo, just wonders if apt marks depends packages as auto like aptitude |
| 12:56.08 | canvon | JTeatime: apt-get should mark packages as manual vs. auto, but differently than aptitude. See: apt-mark |
| 12:56.12 | JTeatime | I mean this in the nicest possible way: you should know what you're talking about before you try to help people. |
| 12:56.47 | bugnuts | this is true! why i was asking for linux book |
| 12:56.49 | bugnuts | ^^ |
| 12:56.51 | dionysus69 | lately the following has been happening: I suspend my laptop and when I wake it up and authenticate I get no apps running from last time which is very weird. any suggestions? |
| 12:57.57 | bugnuts | try switching from s3 to s1 suspend in bios |
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| 12:58.00 | JTeatime | canvon: is it possible that aptitude, apt-get, and apt-mark now all use the same method? |
| 12:58.10 | at0m | dionysus69: it you run 'uptime', does it show time since first boot? i think you're booting anew. |
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| 12:58.40 | at0m | JTeatime: they've been converging, but not sure of the current state |
| 12:59.05 | canvon | JTeatime: not sure... at least there was /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates vs. /var/lib/apt/extended_states or so before |
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| 13:01.51 | bugnuts | at0m, i only know debian as headless i use the qubes debian template :) |
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| 13:02.17 | at0m | bugnuts: and then... |
| 13:02.27 | sovereignentity | Can someone translate this? http://sprunge.us/aiOZ |
| 13:02.34 | bugnuts | and still learning, alot |
| 13:03.50 | dionysus69 | at0m: wow interesting |
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| 13:04.19 | dionysus69 | it says 7 day uptime, not booting anew |
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| 13:04.42 | dionysus69 | at0m: though it shows 2 users as logged in which is weird? how can I list users being logged in |
| 13:04.56 | at0m | run 'users" |
| 13:05.09 | dionysus69 | it sayed my username twice |
| 13:05.12 | dionysus69 | is that a bug?? |
| 13:05.25 | dionysus69 | a horrible bug it seems like lol |
| 13:05.28 | dionysus69 | help |
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| 13:05.43 | bugnuts | netstat |
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| 13:06.20 | dionysus69 | was that to me? |
| 13:06.35 | bugnuts | yep look for suspicious connections |
| 13:06.40 | MrAlexandr0 | i have trouble with ghostmail, false identity. where could i reach out on freenode? :) |
| 13:07.26 | bugnuts | try the hash |
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| 13:07.51 | dionysus69 | wait I don't know how to look for suspicious connections :\ |
| 13:08.07 | bugnuts | close off eveything you dont need |
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| 13:08.29 | bugnuts | look for any tcp/ip established connections, make note of the ip addresses |
| 13:08.44 | bugnuts | whois the ip addresses one of them would be freenode (for irc) |
| 13:08.44 | dionysus69 | how do I know what I need and what not it shows everything that I dont even know it exists |
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| 13:09.54 | bugnuts | look up at tcp and udp connection at the top, dont worry about the domain sockets for now |
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| 13:11.08 | bugnuts | also install debpackages |
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| 13:11.15 | bugnuts | run debpackages -s |
| 13:11.26 | bugnuts | if all is ok it should exit silently |
| 13:11.29 | bugnuts | err run in sudo |
| 13:11.46 | canvon | bugnuts: what are you trying to achieve? as I understand it, he is just trying to get back at his other session |
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| 13:12.23 | dionysus69 | I dont have debpackages |
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| 13:12.42 | bugnuts | canvon, from my understanding he didnt have another session? i missed that? or he is wondering why he has 2 people logged in as him? and who is logged in? |
| 13:13.02 | bugnuts | sry drinking |
| 13:13.33 | morf | don't drink and debian |
| 13:13.40 | bugnuts | lol bad mix |
| 13:13.59 | bugnuts | just chipping in to help |
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| 13:14.31 | dionysus69 | none of connections seem to be suspicious |
| 13:14.48 | dionysus69 | any other way to troubleshoot double user issue? |
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| 13:15.15 | Ast001 | Why on my system jbd2 process writed 65% all the time causing waiting for i/o and slowing down all computer ? |
| 13:15.17 | bugnuts | dionysus69, ok thats good, debpackages (just apt-get) checks all your files for corruption/modification ignoring config and user files |
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| 13:15.43 | bugnuts | just apt-get it, its usefull to have |
| 13:15.50 | canvon | dionysus69: have you tried switching virtual consoles? perhaps the other session is still running there. Ctrl-Alt-F7, F8, etc. (this will switch you away from your current graphical user interface, but you should be able to switch back the same way) |
| 13:15.53 | dionysus69 | unable to locate such package |
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| 13:16.37 | bugnuts | i know im probbably speaking herasy checking for an hack, there are... worms going round asia munching on linux servers |
| 13:17.26 | bugnuts | do you have the debian secuity repo in your sources.list |
| 13:17.34 | canvon | bugnuts: the original problem was this: 13:56:51 < dionysus69> lately the following has been happening: I suspend my laptop and when I wake it up and authenticate I get no apps running from last time which is very weird. any suggestions? |
| 13:17.59 | bugnuts | ahhh sry.... going lost in the wrong direction |
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| 13:18.20 | bugnuts | dionysus69, sry never mind me im barking up the wrong tree... |
| 13:18.59 | bugnuts | canvon, ty |
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| 13:19.50 | dionysus69 | ugh |
| 13:19.58 | bugnuts | perhaps reset the cmos suspend can bugger it up, rarley... but it can |
| 13:20.02 | dionysus69 | I switched to virtual console and accidentally rebooted pc |
| 13:20.29 | dionysus69 | wtf it still shows 2 same users on clean boot |
| 13:21.09 | dionysus69 | with no virtual terminal running |
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| 13:22.57 | dionysus69 | seems like it shows 2 users because I had terminal open for uptime |
| 13:23.06 | dionysus69 | one for terminal another for well, logging in |
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| 13:23.31 | dionysus69 | but still no reason found why I am loosing apps on wake from suspend |
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| 13:25.22 | bugnuts | ok then im out of bright ideas... |
| 13:26.13 | bugnuts | do you know your way around bios/cmos? it does make some wierd bugs when suspend crashes |
| 13:26.19 | Dagger | protip: w |
| 13:26.19 | bugnuts | rare... very rare... |
| 13:26.38 | Dagger | less effort to type than "uptime", and it lists all signed in users and their currently running command |
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| 13:27.39 | canvon | hi Dagger, nice to see you again |
| 13:28.16 | bugnuts | u have 2 users as well, but thats expected being qubes dom0 |
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| 13:28.38 | canvon | bugnuts: you were searching for a "good linux book"? was it perhaps this one? https://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 13:28.46 | Dagger | also I think I'm hitting the same issue, although for me it happens on hibernate, not suspend |
| 13:28.52 | bugnuts | canvon, ty!!!!! |
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| 13:29.29 | Dagger | (I haven't looked into it though) |
| 13:29.53 | hiya | Who manages the Debian paste site? |
| 13:31.56 | Dagger | ...oh, hey, this is #debian. thought I was looking at a channel with about 1/100th the users of this one >.> |
| 13:32.27 | dionysus69 | Dagger: I had horrible problems with hibernate, I gave up on it so I am using suspend only |
| 13:32.51 | dionysus69 | but then it got problems too, if I lose sessions on suspend I might as well boot off computer |
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| 13:35.20 | bugnuts | .... may i speak more hearasy! try www.qubes-os.org it should solve your suspend issues, and saves you from the nightmare of trying to harden debian though it does cost you ram |
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| 13:35.48 | bugnuts | if you have 4gigs of ram it will work but you will suffer |
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| 13:35.53 | erin1234567 | hi guys |
| 13:36.37 | erin1234567 | i am looking for a router os for my alix router i hate ddwrt |
| 13:36.40 | bugnuts | its about a 700mb cost then virtual os on top |
| 13:36.50 | bugnuts | try open bsd |
| 13:37.01 | bugnuts | probbably the best... router ever made |
| 13:37.06 | erin1234567 | anything out.there preconfiged eith a webpage |
| 13:37.13 | Dagger | ok, so on my laptop, if I try hibernate it prints "not enough free memory, error creating hibernate image" but then *powers off anyway* |
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| 13:37.23 | erin1234567 | i know but i need it up an working |
| 13:37.23 | dionysus69 | bugnuts: why would I use openbsd |
| 13:37.46 | Dagger | (but on a fresh boot it works fine) |
| 13:38.19 | bugnuts | dionysus69, that was ment for erin, as for a router os, becuase its simply bullet proof, gateway rotuter have been standing for 20 years without fail |
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| 13:38.38 | bugnuts | dionysus69, qubes is just magical |
| 13:39.18 | erin1234567 | gateway? |
| 13:39.22 | dionysus69 | do you know how much time I spent setting up debian? :D |
| 13:39.36 | dionysus69 | not going for any other OS really so I prefer not to ever suspend |
| 13:40.25 | bugnuts | erin1234567, think of server farms, many routers inside but the last one going out, and secuity for it... |
| 13:40.42 | WG1337 | Hi! Im trying to compile php from source on debian 8. Does anyone know what location should be used on debian for --prefix, --with-config-file ? Its bit confusing because I want to use PHP-FPM too. |
| 13:41.06 | bugnuts | erin1234567, it dosent have much in the way of gui and pretification, you can install gnome (but i would advise against) stick to the console |
| 13:41.36 | jelly | erin1234567: if dd-wrt is an option, perhaps openwrt has a build as well? |
| 13:42.02 | dionysus69 | how can I inspect journalctl? what is its argument? |
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| 13:43.11 | bugnuts | .... i cant remember |
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| 13:43.19 | bugnuts | last time everything went bang it had them for me |
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| 13:45.10 | erin1234567 | toomuch configs for now |
| 13:45.18 | bugnuts | dionysus69, qubes is simply put a secure, auditted xen hyptervisor, then uses fedora and debian in virtulisation as a shield, network is isolated, drivers are isolated, firewall isolated ect |
| 13:45.21 | erin1234567 | i going back to insecure ddwrt |
| 13:45.40 | bugnuts | has debian |
| 13:46.27 | bugnuts | if anyone hacks you its just nuked every single boot sort of say.... .bashrc |
| 13:46.35 | bugnuts | home dir persists |
| 13:46.37 | canvon | dionysus69: have you looked at "man journalctl"? |
| 13:47.11 | dionysus69 | nope canvon, guess ill just inspect /var/log dir |
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| 13:48.02 | canvon | dionysus69: you could try "journalctl -b" to get logs since last boot |
| 13:48.11 | mystiiq | Hi. IIRC mysql5.5 is currently available for jessie by default. When will be 5.6 available in stable repos as well? I'm not expecting to get a specific date, but is it today()+1month, today+1yr or never? |
| 13:48.40 | dionysus69 | canvon: No journal files were found. |
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| 13:50.43 | bugnuts | erin1234567, there is tomato as well |
| 13:51.22 | bugnuts | ddwrt open wrt and tomato are the 3 main tiers of coustom router firmware |
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| 13:52.08 | bugnuts | openbsd is more a server running as a ips / firewall |
| 13:53.47 | dionysus69 | ok offtopic question about raspberry pie with debian, I assume raspberry pie runs on ARM cpu so all the debian packages for rasp flavor need to be compiled from scratch? |
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| 13:53.59 | dionysus69 | or "regular" packages work just fine |
| 13:54.30 | bugnuts | sry erin my mind just exploded with configs in that particular direction |
| 13:54.31 | towo^work | on pi2 the do |
| 13:54.39 | towo^work | *they |
| 13:55.07 | dionysus69 | towo^work: because they got i86 arch going or AMD64? |
| 13:55.14 | towo^work | what? |
| 13:55.28 | dionysus69 | the reason being what? they changed cpu architecture? |
| 13:55.28 | bugnuts | the pi has a fork of debian but in essence its pretty much the same |
| 13:55.29 | towo^work | pi2 is armv7 which debian provides |
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| 13:55.48 | towo^work | pi1 is armv6 which debian does not provide |
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| 13:56.03 | bugnuts | owh... i stand corrected |
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| 13:56.10 | dionysus69 | so if I had to do sudo apt-get install something on my pc would same work on pi? |
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| 13:56.25 | towo^work | dionysus69, if you use a pi2 yes |
| 13:56.32 | towo^work | dionysus69, if you use a pi1 no |
| 13:56.50 | towo^work | you would need to recompile or using raspian repos only |
| 13:57.01 | dionysus69 | but if there is a package for AMD64 architecture same package might not exist for raspbian ? |
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| 13:57.44 | towo^work | dionysus69, little kidding? |
| 13:57.58 | dionysus69 | ? |
| 13:58.04 | towo^work | you can't use amd64 or i386 packages on any pi |
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| 13:58.15 | dionysus69 | ok that was my question :D |
| 13:58.17 | dionysus69 | thanks :) |
| 13:58.18 | atralheaven1 | guys |
| 13:58.28 | atralheaven1 | do we have a 'free' flash player? |
| 13:58.37 | towo^work | gnash |
| 13:59.17 | bugnuts | flash is on its last legs and dying days never install it unless you ultimatley have to its just so insecure..... |
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| 13:59.42 | dionysus69 | lots of content online is still requiring flash |
| 13:59.44 | wyre | hi guys! Could I create a .deb from a .sh installation script? |
| 13:59.44 | atralheaven1 | I don't want to install non-free software but I need flash player on my browser... |
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| 13:59.53 | dionysus69 | not installing it totally will force you in discomfort |
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| 14:00.16 | bugnuts | unless you just get a seedbox and then your problems are over |
| 14:00.35 | wyre | I've got .sh installation script of Mathematica but I need install it using apt-get to have got control of the package :D |
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| 14:02.05 | bugnuts | html5 web player isnt perfect but, it will grow |
| 14:02.32 | Neto | I have created user poweroff with id and gid 0 in /etc/passwd and your shel is /bin/systemctl poweroff. In /etc/shadow set blank password, but when type poweroff in login the shutdown don't work. |
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| 14:02.34 | bugnuts | any website still using flash isnt worthy of trusting let alone a login |
| 14:02.38 | Neto | somebody can say why? |
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| 14:07.15 | ChrisH | Neto: because /etc/shells does not allow your loginshell for any user |
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| 14:09.27 | canvon | Neto: Could you just press Ctrl-Alt-Del to shut down? Or the ACPI power button? |
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| 14:13.20 | plr777 | hi, i am using pi 2, is there a way to keep the monitor screen active without going to screen saving mode after 1 or 2min of no activity ... i am using terminal tty |
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| 14:16.03 | Ast001 | what will happen if I kill jbd2 with kill -9 ? |
| 14:16.46 | in1t3r | Â/close |
| 14:16.49 | Ast001 | it is destroying my hard disk with 95% writing all the time |
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| 14:17.02 | nkuttler | Ast001: why don't you just stop it normally? |
| 14:17.07 | Ast001 | like ? |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | a regular kill, not -9 |
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| 14:17.37 | Ast001 | is it safe ? |
| 14:17.53 | Ast001 | will I end in not bootable system ? |
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| 14:18.29 | nkuttler | you might also want to check with something like iotop if it's another process doing all the writing |
| 14:19.02 | Ast001 | i killed it but it is running with same pid again. iotop shows jbd2 65% and all other processes 4-5% (not 40 in sum). |
| 14:19.54 | Ast001 | I tried iostat too it shows 95% utils all the time top shows 3-4% waiting for io |
| 14:20.45 | nkuttler | and you're not swapping or something? |
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| 14:21.23 | Ast001 | iotop jbd2 55% asterisk 6,4,1% not even 11 |
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| 14:22.34 | Ast001 | no I am not swapping i have plenty of memory |
| 14:22.57 | Ast001 | 32G 28G free |
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| 14:23.30 | jelly | Ast001: you can't kill it, that's a kernel thread |
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| 14:23.47 | Ast001 | I tried with kill but it still works, shuld I do -9 ? |
| 14:23.51 | bugnuts | plr777, yes but i dont know exactly where... |
| 14:23.52 | abrotman | jelly: You left out the self education part! |
| 14:24.06 | abrotman | Ast001: why do you think this is a proble, |
| 14:24.07 | abrotman | problem? |
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| 14:24.28 | bugnuts | ima gonna get lost in this book so i can help more :) |
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| 14:24.36 | rvsjoen | I removed grub efi and installed grub-legacy, when I run grub-install /dev/sda it says it failed to read stage1, when I do "root (hd0,1)" in grub cli, it says no such partition even though /dev/sda2 exists, any idea on how to fix grub ? |
| 14:24.39 | Ast001 | because I have all sort of problems typical for oveloaded systems.. (Call drops Autodestruct in asterisk happen only when io waiting is big) |
| 14:25.06 | Hello71 | you can kill it with the program "halt" |
| 14:25.06 | tartecitron1 | Plop, i have a problem with the commande optirun. I can't launch a program with this command. |
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| 14:25.26 | Ast001 | Hello71 if you talk to me can you tell me about halt program ? |
| 14:25.30 | Ast001 | How to kill it with it ? |
| 14:25.40 | nkuttler | Ast001: it would reboot/shutdown your box.. |
| 14:25.49 | Ast001 | no I must not reboot |
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| 14:26.34 | Ast001 | is there any remount chance ? |
| 14:26.44 | nkuttler | fwiw, if this keeps happening regularly you might want to try different kernels, or even replace some hardwar |
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| 14:27.01 | nkuttler | but start turning off all services first, just to be sure |
| 14:27.31 | Ast001 | I tried that when I shut down asterisk, jbd2 drops to some low value |
| 14:27.49 | Ast001 | but if asterisk is doing only 15% why jbd is doing 65% ? |
| 14:28.38 | nkuttler | journaling is more work than simply read/write? |
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| 14:30.21 | Ast001 | some mount option barrier=0,commit=60 any chance to help ? |
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| 14:31.01 | samael | hello. i need a new ssd for my debian laptop. which one should i buy? |
| 14:31.37 | Ast001 | read write both 0 and IO% 65% for jbd... not reding not writing and consume 65% IO.. strange |
| 14:32.08 | Ast001 | it must censored hard disk then |
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| 14:35.50 | plr777 | I checked in the monitor settings, but did not find anything. I guess some file in /etc might have the option to disable monitor screen timeout. any guess ? |
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| 14:48.04 | quantic | Ast001: How old is your ssd? |
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| 14:49.45 | quantic | Ast001: If you run a SMART check on your SSD, there should be a metric for "wear leveling" or something similar. That will tell you if you actually do need a new SSD. |
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| 15:05.17 | diwakar | Is debian testing suitable as a normal desktop distro? I consider it just like arch without the high maintenance. |
| 15:05.39 | nkuttler | diwakar: certainly |
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| 15:08.13 | diwakar | nkuttler: I can understand that it is more unstable than stable but is it insecure than stable? |
| 15:08.50 | diwakar | nkuttler: I heard that it doesn't have security updates like stable or unstable |
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| 15:10.04 | quantic | diwakar: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
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| 15:12.03 | nkuttler | diwakar: testing is the worst of both worlds.. |
| 15:12.22 | nkuttler | diwakar: infrequent updates, and when bugs do get in they can stay in for months.. |
| 15:12.23 | diwakar | quantic: thanks that made things a bit clear |
| 15:13.05 | diwakar | nkuttler: even fatal bugs? |
| 15:13.17 | nkuttler | diwakar: yes, even those |
| 15:13.45 | nkuttler | diwakar: if a broken package manages to migrate into testing and the fix takes a long time, or is only in experimental, yadda |
| 15:14.07 | diwakar | ... it stays in testing until fixed |
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| 15:14.12 | nkuttler | personally i'd rather run sid than testing, but i use stable on all important boxes anyway |
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| 15:15.00 | diwakar | why, I don't understand why is sid better? |
| 15:15.31 | nkuttler | fixes get in faster |
| 15:15.40 | quantic | diwakar: Because fixes happen a lot faster. sid is a moving target, whereas testing is gearing up to be the next stable. |
| 15:15.48 | nkuttler | also testing can be completely broken during big migrations, and this breakage tends to be longer than in sid |
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| 15:16.18 | nkuttler | diwakar: you need the same skillset to keep testing or sid running, and sid is just easier |
| 15:16.37 | quantic | diwakar: If you are going to run sid, do yourself a huge favor. Run updates OFTEN. |
| 15:16.43 | diwakar | so sid is actually the "rolling release" |
| 15:16.51 | nkuttler | easier as in you know how to fix broken install scripts, know how to boot with a rescue medium, etc |
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| 15:17.31 | jelly | diwakar: except it's not a release at all |
| 15:19.20 | diwakar | Then, who runs testing. |
| 15:19.44 | nkuttler | people who want to test the upcoming release |
| 15:20.07 | nkuttler | i usually upgrade my workstation to testing during a freeze |
| 15:20.09 | jelly | also people who rely on sid users to report the worst bugs |
| 15:20.46 | diwakar | I was running testing in assumption that it was the middle ground between stable and unstable |
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| 15:22.13 | diwakar | I wanted a distro like arch but the one where I don't have to check the news feeds before doing every update |
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| 15:22.47 | nkuttler | diwakar: well, there is apt-listbugs for sid... |
| 15:22.49 | diwakar | I was so happy after finding testing |
| 15:23.14 | nkuttler | diwakar: just keep using it then i guess |
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| 15:25.00 | diwakar | nkuttler: yeah, |
| 15:25.26 | nkuttler | it's not bad, it's just that *when* it gets bad, you'll be tempted to upgrade to sid to "fix" things.. |
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| 15:26.23 | diwakar | nkuttler: yeah, I think it's stable enough for me |
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| 15:28.03 | diwakar | nkuttler: but, what happens when things get bad in sid. |
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| 15:28.18 | diwakar | and how bad does it get |
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| 15:32.35 | jhutchins | If you rely on your computer as a tool rather than just a hobby, it's a good idea to keep a bootable stable install for when testing/unstable breaks. |
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| 15:33.26 | jhutchins | One of the things abou the way Debian does things is that when testing or unstable breaks, there is no urgency about getting it fixed right away, they can wait until a good, solid stable fix is found, which can take a while. |
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| 15:34.46 | diwakar | jhutchins: that is scary |
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| 15:35.57 | diwakar | I see that Debian stable is their number one priority. |
| 15:36.14 | jhutchins | diwakar: Well, no, stable is expected to be functional as close to 100% of the time as possible. Testing is allowed to find the correct solution. |
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| 15:37.27 | pjotter | I see that Debian 8.3 is out. Is there also a Live CD image I can download? I'm looking for the xfce version. |
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| 15:39.05 | cra1g321 | diwakar, this page has some great info https://www.debian.org/security/faq |
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| 16:27.11 | guy_ | does debian allow the ability to apt-get static pacakges instead of dynamic ones ? |
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| 16:33.12 | ewew | hi. I have a little trouble with moving from oldstable to stable debian. apt-get dist-upgrade keeps telling me that i dont have the right gpg keys. Any idea why is this happening ? |
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| 16:35.56 | leeky__ | Hallo. Brauche mal eure hilfe.. |
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| 16:36.03 | leeky__ | auf debian letsencrypt installed |
| 16:36.17 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, something is blocking my 127.0.0.1 so I can't process email |
| 16:36.24 | dimitry7 | what can I do to see what is running there? |
| 16:36.29 | dimitry7 | I have no firewall |
| 16:36.37 | dimitry7 | and interface 'lo' is up |
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| 16:38.06 | markybob | !german |
| 16:38.07 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 16:38.42 | dimitry7 | I speak german |
| 16:38.52 | dimitry7 | wishes haha |
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| 16:39.34 | jhutchins | dimitry7: It's most likely your mail handler isn't listening to 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:40.29 | ewew | Does anyone know ? |
| 16:40.53 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, amm,,, this is the error: (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024: Connection refused) |
| 16:41.09 | dimitry7 | but it was working fine |
| 16:41.25 | markybob | ewew, probably need to upgrade debian-archive-keyring |
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| 16:42.02 | ewew | and it was telling me the two keys have BADSIG. |
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| 16:54.03 | xVim | Stability vs. up-to-date, what can you recommend the most: Debian sid, Ubuntu (mixing sid and unstable) or Arch? |
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| 16:56.31 | ammar1 | !debian |
| 16:56.32 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 16:57.01 | ammar1 | !sid |
| 16:57.01 | dpkg | i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 16:57.35 | xVim | Sry, I meant mixing sid and Testing of course... |
| 16:58.02 | cra1g321 | if you want stability go with stable, mixing sid and testing will likely end in tears |
| 16:59.03 | jhutchins | xVim: It depends on whether your purpose is to mess with the computer, to find and fix problems, or if you need the computer to actually do something. |
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| 16:59.32 | v0r0nwe | hey, is it possible to open a html file in a browser via file:/// without typing the full path from / instead use ~ for home directory? i mean, file:///~/foobar.html or similar, maybe it's a dumb question but i found nothing on google that helped me. thx :) |
| 16:59.43 | jhutchins | xVim: If it's ok if the system doesn't work for an extended period, go ahead with testing. Mixing releases is usually a sure path to a clean reinstall. |
| 16:59.50 | xVim | jhutchins: I don't mind if my computer breaks down or doesn't start for a few days, if it will work again in some days |
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| 17:00.16 | xVim | Testing then, ok |
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| 17:00.53 | xVim | Would you advise to put testing in my sources.list or rather the name of the current testing release? |
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| 17:01.07 | jhutchins | xVim: Use release names, that's safer. |
| 17:01.16 | xVim | jhutchins: ok, thanks. |
| 17:01.37 | jhutchins | xVim: Upgrade from stable, and consider a dual-boot system so you can still get on line to find out if a breakage is fixed. |
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| 17:01.59 | cra1g321 | as always backups and backups of backups :D |
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| 17:02.37 | xVim | So far I only had Dual boot systems with Linux and Windows, not two Linux' |
| 17:02.42 | xVim | Having a look into it |
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| 17:05.33 | jhutchins | I think the most I ever had was five different installs on a multi-boot. |
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| 17:11.11 | xVim | What are the differences between Transition freeze, softfreeze and freeze? I thought there was only one freeze date for a debian release. |
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| 17:13.25 | xVim | v0r0nwe: Try 'file://~$'. |
| 17:13.38 | ammar1 | !freeze |
| 17:13.39 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Jessie was frozen on November 5, 2014. Also ask me about <slushy>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 17:14.01 | xVim | !slushy |
| 17:14.01 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
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| 17:15.57 | xVim | ?quit |
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| 17:27.15 | finetundra2234 | Hey folks does anyone know of a DE that has a style similar to KDE but is less resource intensive? |
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| 17:29.45 | SPF | finetundra2234: blackbox maybe? |
| 17:30.24 | finetundra2234 | SPF: that might could work |
| 17:30.37 | cra1g321 | there is also lxde |
| 17:30.44 | cra1g321 | lxqt too but its not in jessie repos |
| 17:31.14 | finetundra2234 | cra1g321: is there any way to add it to a jessie installiation? |
| 17:31.19 | nkuttler | finetundra2234: if you consider blackbox, openbox is quite nice as well |
| 17:31.39 | blind | I like fluxbox if we're rounding out the *box WMs |
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| 17:31.44 | nkuttler | don't see how any of them is similar to kde though |
| 17:31.53 | blind | No I don't see much similarity either. |
| 17:32.01 | nkuttler | yeah, they are much better, right |
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| 17:32.30 | cra1g321 | plus you's are suggesting window managers |
| 17:32.41 | cra1g321 | he's looking for desktop environment, one that is similar to KDE |
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| 17:33.06 | blind | Cinnamon? |
| 17:33.07 | finetundra2234 | cra1g321: eh, I can work with a WM too |
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| 17:33.08 | nkuttler | similar to kde is pretty meaningless though |
| 17:33.23 | cra1g321 | yeah i agree nkuttler |
| 17:33.28 | finetundra2234 | you guys actually just reminded me of one I heard about a while ago |
| 17:33.32 | nkuttler | you can run any kde app, probably even a panel etc |
| 17:33.34 | finetundra2234 | that may fit the bill |
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| 17:33.44 | cra1g321 | finetundra2234, try out xfce or lxde is what i suggest |
| 17:33.57 | finetundra2234 | cra1g321: I've already gone through those |
| 17:34.11 | blind | those are your "lighter weight" DEs |
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| 17:43.07 | finetundra2234 | Is it possible the forward the entire desktop over ssh? |
| 17:43.30 | finetundra2234 | I know I can forward individual programs but what about the whole desktop? |
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| 17:44.21 | jhutchins | finetundra2234: Yes, there are also VNC systems. |
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| 17:44.51 | finetundra2234 | jhutchins: for this instance vnc is not possible |
| 17:44.58 | finetundra2234 | jhutchins: so how would I do it over ssh |
| 17:45.00 | finetundra2234 | ? |
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| 17:47.40 | jhutchins | finetundra2234: http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ |
| 17:51.35 | jhutchins | finetundra2234: Debian specific: https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.remote-login.html |
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| 17:52.39 | sovereignentity | how can i tell if i'm on sid or jessie |
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| 17:53.09 | teclo- | cat /etc/issue for instance |
| 17:53.10 | markybob | sovereignentity, lsb_release -a |
| 17:53.20 | teclo- | or cat /etc/debian-version |
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| 17:54.28 | teclo- | lsb_release: command not found |
| 17:54.47 | jhutchins | sovereignentity: Also check /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 17:55.05 | markybob | teclo-, it's in package lsb-release |
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| 17:58.58 | teclo- | markybob: indeed, but checking /etc/debian_version or /etc/apt/sources.list will succeed without having to install lsb-release ;) |
| 17:59.52 | sovereignentity | thanks guys I forgot i'm using Point Linux |
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| 18:00.23 | markybob | that makes sense. pretty sure debian installs lsb-release by default |
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| 18:10.07 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 18:10.15 | TheWarden | I just upgraded a Debian Jessie system today and now I'm not able to boot into Debian. I end up within busybox. |
| 18:10.27 | TheWarden | It states gave up waiting for root device |
| 18:10.51 | TheWarden | it then tests me possible places to check such as /proc/cmdline and /proc/modules |
| 18:10.57 | TheWarden | As far as I know it looks good. |
| 18:11.32 | TheWarden | It then says device /dev/disk/by-uuid/7513.... doesn't exist. |
| 18:12.04 | TheWarden | This system has software RAID. In busybox I'm not seeing any raid devices in /dev/md*. |
| 18:12.05 | fcharton | TheWarden: once on busybox, are you able to find the device in the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ folder ? |
| 18:12.14 | TheWarden | fcharton: no its not present |
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| 18:12.38 | fcharton | do you have mdadm command available along busybox ? |
| 18:12.43 | TheWarden | I did do mdadm --examine /dev/sd* and all appears to be good to the best of my knowledge. |
| 18:12.48 | TheWarden | fcharton: yes |
| 18:13.04 | fcharton | do any devices appear in /proc/mdstat ? |
| 18:13.31 | fcharton | (look at the content of the file with less or cat) |
| 18:13.36 | TheWarden | fcharton: I tried that as well doing cat /proc/mdstat and the mdstat doesn't exist. |
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| 18:14.43 | fcharton | TheWarden: which raid type is it ? |
| 18:14.45 | TheWarden | I'm honestly not sure where to go from here. The system worked fine prior to the upgrade. So I must be able to get this going again. |
| 18:14.51 | TheWarden | fcharton: just a RAID 1 |
| 18:15.32 | fcharton | are you able to modprobe raid1 ? |
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| 18:16.10 | TheWarden | fcharton: not sure, I never tried that. I can give that a go, any info I should look for specifically? Reason I ask is I have to go down toe the server room to try it and then back up to my office. |
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| 18:18.17 | fcharton | TheWarden: Check that the «physical» devices for the RAID are in the /dev/ tree |
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| 18:18.42 | fcharton | I don't have much more idea on the subject after |
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| 18:20.18 | TheWarden | oh shoot |
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| 18:20.28 | TheWarden | well I ran modprobe raid1 and nothing was returned. |
| 18:20.45 | TheWarden | I did modprobe -l | grep -i raid and I see a bunch of files, drivers for raid. |
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| 18:21.13 | TheWarden | I also noticed at boot time that a message of missing ehci-orion in modules.dep. |
| 18:22.36 | finetundra2234 | jhutchins: so basically it'd be easier to use VNC or RDP? |
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| 18:23.07 | TheWarden | anyone else have suggestions? I really don't want to have to rebuild this server as it will be quite a pain as its a domain controller. |
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| 18:24.21 | j__ | when you have a debian server on the internet you must have a dns server? |
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| 18:25.06 | markybob | j__, no |
| 18:25.18 | fcharton | TheWarden: after modprobe, did you try to assemble the raid array ? |
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| 18:26.00 | j__ | How can I test apache then, cause my server isn't working, when I visit www.biancamarijan.ca I do not see my site, or if I enter my ip either 24.94.7.17 |
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| 18:27.00 | TheWarden | fcharton: no.... so do modprobe raid1 then do mdadm -A ? |
| 18:27.14 | markybob | j__, if it doesn't work with your ip it's not a dns issue. i can't even ping it. it's not online |
| 18:28.26 | j__ | markybob, ping is ok here |
| 18:28.38 | markybob | j__, from inside the network i assume? |
| 18:28.49 | foo | Can anyone help me make sense of this? http://pastebin.ca/3350455 - Trying to remove mod_python, getting this error. |
| 18:28.50 | j__ | no, over internet |
| 18:28.58 | markybob | j__, are you using some kind of remote console from the host? |
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| 18:29.21 | j__ | markybob, I am pinging from my laptop, over internet to 24.94.7.17 and www.biancamarijan.ca both work |
| 18:29.53 | j__ | I have a separate ssh connection open too, so if it were not pingable I would be able to login even |
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| 18:29.59 | markybob | j__, i can't ping either. plus that domain is unknown |
| 18:30.25 | markybob | markybob@bethany:~$ whois biancamarijan.ca getaddrinfo(whois.cira.ca): Temporary failure in name resolution |
| 18:30.41 | TomTomTosch | markybob: i can ping. so maybe a routing issue at your side. |
| 18:31.03 | markybob | okay i'll step out |
| 18:31.24 | j__ | markybob, I can't ssh to the name but I can to the ip. You should be able to ping the ip at least |
| 18:33.22 | j__ | TomTomTosch, thx |
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| 18:34.48 | TomTomTosch | j__: also not an dns issue. "dig www.biancamarijan.ca" resolves it fine. |
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| 18:35.30 | j__ | TomTomTosch, thx |
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| 18:35.57 | j__ | When would I want to use a custom dns server address? |
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| 18:36.24 | j__ | My VPS provider says: The custom DNS addresses you should set for your domain to use are: ns1, ns2 |
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| 18:41.50 | jelly | j__: there's only two reasons to configure different recursor nameservers: 1) the one given by provider are unreliable or 2) you want different answers (ie. you have a company internal network) than what public dns infrastructure gives |
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| 18:42.43 | j__ | jelly my server has multiple ips, I dont need bind to configure them eh? |
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| 18:44.12 | TheWarden | fcharton: doing mdadm --assemble requires me to list device yet I don't see any raid devices. Also fstab is empty. |
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| 18:44.39 | TheWarden | I believe what I'm seeing is busybox itself... mmm not sure what the heck to do to recover from this dang it. |
| 18:44.45 | jelly | j__: well... how did you enter the first IP and symbolic name? |
| 18:44.55 | fcharton | TheWarden: fstab empty is not very good, but should not fail at this stage |
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| 18:45.22 | fcharton | TheWarden: I'm sorry but I have to leave. |
| 18:45.36 | TheWarden | fcharton: ok okay well thanks for your time. take care. |
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| 18:49.23 | ewew | Why did the UUID caused boot failure when upgrading ? |
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| 18:56.33 | TheWarden | ewew: no idea, that is what I'm trying to figure out. |
| 18:56.48 | slothbin | exit |
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| 18:57.05 | awal1 | I do't understand the exact meaning of this lmt (laptop-mode-tools) option "Disable data loss sensitive features when the battery reports its state. # as "critical"." Any clarification? |
| 18:57.14 | TheWarden | the device uuid is not found, empty fstab, no raid devices are found... all within busybox. |
| 18:58.02 | awal1 | the "data loss sensitive features"rt , I mean |
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| 18:58.33 | awal1 | the "data loss sensitive features", I mean |
| 18:59.15 | ewew | TheWarden Is it caused by some bug or admin is dumb. |
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| 18:59.29 | ewew | ? |
| 18:59.48 | TheWarden | ewew: lol I'm the admin... I don't know. I have very little information to give and no idea where to go from here. |
| 19:00.08 | ewew | TheWarden I was upgrading from 7.x to 8.3 |
| 19:00.58 | TheWarden | ewew: oh, no I was already running Jessie. This is the first time I've every had this issue when updating the OS. Never had such an issue upgrading the OS either. |
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| 19:01.32 | TheWarden | mm maybe I'll take a screen shot and post it to see if that helps anyone to give me some direction. |
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| 19:02.45 | ewew | I suspect some hidden change. Because if i deleted the UUIDs from fstab and disabled UUID in grub config the boot was possible. |
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| 19:03.56 | milen | how to paste |
| 19:04.05 | milen | in paste bin with from command line |
| 19:04.06 | milen | ? |
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| 19:04.43 | markybob | !pastebin |
| 19:04.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:04.51 | markybob | milen, pastebinit |
| 19:04.57 | milen | thanks |
| 19:04.58 | sbrouf | anyone in testing lost sound usage ? |
| 19:05.12 | markybob | sbrouf, testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:05.32 | sbrouf | ok markybob ty |
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| 19:07.44 | j__ | my debian server has 1 primary ip and 3 secondary ip's, what can I do with those 3 extra ones? |
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| 19:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | pulse tells me I have no microphone, but alsamixer sees it, and if I start up audacity and select the correct non-pulse alsa device, I can record |
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| 19:12.06 | ewew | TheWarden Should be this reported as a bug ? Really i dont know which package is responsible for this issue. |
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| 19:13.13 | TheWarden | ewew: sorry you're asking the wrong person. I'm the one looking for help as my server was updated (already running Jessie 8.x) and is not able to boot other than into busybox. |
| 19:14.12 | ewew | TheWarden ok, sorry then |
| 19:14.28 | TheWarden | ewew: no that's okay. I wish you luck. |
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| 19:16.03 | ewew | I almost gived up and do a clean install. :-( I could save time. |
| 19:16.31 | TheWarden | ewew: I'm almost at that point but for me this is huge... huge pain in the butt since its an active domain controller. |
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| 19:20.45 | cnnx | when trying to install packages i get Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main libfuse2 armel 2.8.4-1.1 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 19:20.49 | cnnx | how can I fix this? |
| 19:20.57 | cnnx | its on an old embedded device running 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:23.19 | TheWarden | cnnx: Squeeze is discontinued and that package may no longer be available. upgrade or if stuck have to work from source code maybe. |
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| 19:23.38 | cnnx | TheWarden: how would I uprgade? replace the word squeeze by wheezy? |
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| 19:24.22 | TheWarden | cnnx: read the upgrade instructions available on debian.org. Never let the system go this far behind. |
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| 19:28.10 | axc1298 | i thought squeeze is still supported |
| 19:28.14 | axc1298 | it's LTS isn't it? |
| 19:28.19 | LVLAaron | just installed debian 8.3 minimal; installed on DHCP, wish to change to static... /etc/network/interfaces is not present... what am I missing? |
| 19:29.03 | valdyn | LVLAaron: you deleted that file? |
| 19:29.08 | LVLAaron | Nope. |
| 19:29.13 | LVLAaron | doesn't exist |
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| 19:30.41 | valdyn | LVLAaron: i dont believe you, but still, just create that file, and make sure the package "ifupdown" is installed |
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| 19:31.53 | axc1298 | cnnx: squeeze is still supported until february 2016 so now would be a good time to upgrade to debian 7 or preferably 8 which is the current stable |
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| 19:32.09 | TheWarden | Okay here is photo I took of the error messages I'm getting since I' updated Debian Jessie, https://copy.com/6hunQ0UJ6AUfyj20 |
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| 19:33.23 | ikerDePount | Hi |
| 19:33.23 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Oops. Too much trouble to look at. Requires javascript. |
| 19:33.38 | LVLAaron | Hello ikerDePount |
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| 19:33.48 | axc1298 | yea you should upload to a site that doesn't require javascript. |
| 19:34.08 | LVLAaron | https://copy.com/thumbs_public/6hunQ0UJ6AUfyj20/20160125_132059.jpg?size=1024 |
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| 19:34.11 | ikerDePount | My Wifi is out of range when I want to share my internet connection |
| 19:34.42 | ewew | well. This looks the same as i had trouble. |
| 19:34.51 | TheWarden | karlpinc: what oh really.. well most have javascript support now. mmm |
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| 19:36.12 | TheWarden | karlpinc: yes this link works without javascript, https://copy.com/thumbs_public/6hunQ0UJ6AUfyj20/20160125_132059.jpg?size=1024 |
| 19:36.17 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Yah. I just generally keep js and cookies off. And it's painful to have to switch back and forth. Can't say what to recommend. (Or if I'd be able to help in any way. Just thought I'd look.) |
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| 19:36.20 | axc1298 | TheWarden: it's not about not having support. it's about not wanting to allow javascript to execute for security |
| 19:36.38 | axc1298 | what's busybox? never seen an install message like that before |
| 19:36.57 | TheWarden | karlpinc: okay, well thanks for take the time to look. |
| 19:37.12 | valdyn | axc1298: yet busybox is what runs your bootup |
| 19:37.19 | TheWarden | axc1298: yes I understand that now. |
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| 19:37.39 | karlpinc | TheWarden: That reminds me of some solution or another I noticed in the jessie upgrade guide. Have you looked at that? |
| 19:37.42 | TheWarden | axc1298: this happened after updating Jessie. no idea what to do. |
| 19:37.43 | valdyn | axc1298: yet busybox is what runs your (initial) bootup |
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| 19:38.04 | axc1298 | valdyn: i guess i never noticed |
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| 19:38.28 | axc1298 | TheWarden: all i can think of is to do a clean install rather than upgrade |
| 19:38.34 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well I didn't do a distupgrade. |
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| 19:38.50 | ewew | disable UUID and edit fstab |
| 19:38.55 | TheWarden | axc1298: ahhh I already had Jessie installed |
| 19:39.05 | karlpinc | TheWarden: The upgrade guide has solutions to common, and not so common, problems. |
| 19:39.14 | valdyn | !busybox |
| 19:39.14 | TheWarden | ewew: fstab empty and UUID is being called in /proc/cmdline |
| 19:39.15 | dpkg | BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common Unix utilities into a single small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU coreutils, util-linux, etc. http://busybox.net/FAQ.html #uclibc on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:39.19 | hightower4 | Hey folks, how do I disable dh_usrlocal from running as part of package build? |
| 19:39.40 | ewew | boot from live cd or something |
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| 19:40.14 | TheWarden | I was running 8.2 and then updated to 8.3 |
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| 19:40.24 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Looks like the kind of thing that messing with the grub menu will fix. |
| 19:40.58 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Or it could be a race condition. Happens consistently? |
| 19:41.03 | TheWarden | karlpinc: oh mmm I don't have access to grub as far as I know. |
| 19:41.14 | TheWarden | karlpinc: only time this has happened. |
| 19:41.34 | TheWarden | I don't see any thing here https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160123 |
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| 19:44.26 | ewew | What event can cause a change of UUID if the disk does not change ? |
| 19:45.22 | TheWarden | my understanding is the UUID can't change as long as the physical device is present. |
| 19:46.28 | ewew | I suspect something in the upgraded packages triggered new uuid and they was not copied to fstab. |
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| 19:46.51 | st111 | hello, is there a convertible notebook which runs well with debian? |
| 19:47.09 | abrotman | you might have to define what a convertible notebook is |
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| 19:48.01 | karlpinc | TheWarden: I was looking here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html But I don't see anything. It's as if your root disk changed it's bus id in the middle of the boot process. Is there something wonky with the disk or bios/uefi etc? (Can you reproduce the problem?) The grub menu should be there before you get that message. Do you see the grub boot screen? |
| 19:48.27 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Nothing in a normal upgrade should do that, even a dist upgrade. fstab should not be empty. |
| 19:48.41 | jhutchins | TheWarden: This wasn't a dist upgrade? |
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| 19:49.05 | TheWarden | karlpinc: doing mdadm --examine /dev/sd* everything checks out okay. |
| 19:49.06 | st111 | abrotman I'd define it as a light notebook with touchscreen, which can be used as a tablet |
| 19:49.09 | ewew | jhutchins The same happend to me. UUID was enabled in grub and fstab had UUIDs. |
| 19:49.48 | TheWarden | karlpinc: not that I know of it all works fine before. Reproduce I doubt it, I upgraded say maybe 10 servers and this is the only one with issues. No GRUB since it can't find the device. |
| 19:49.51 | jhutchins | ewew: UUID is just a string stored on the filesystem. |
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| 19:50.12 | karlpinc | TheWarden: That server has the problem consistently? |
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| 19:50.21 | jhutchins | TheWarden: I'd start by getting some sort of bootable live device and fsck the partitions. |
| 19:50.27 | TheWarden | jhutchins: no this was NOT a dist upgrade. I did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 19:50.50 | TheWarden | karlpinc: no works flawlessly prior the update today from 8.2 to 8.3 |
| 19:50.52 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Yeah, something outside the normal upgrade process happened then, possibly disk errors. |
| 19:51.00 | ewew | jhutchins i fixed this by disabling grub uuid and getting rid of UUID in fstab. |
| 19:51.20 | TheWarden | jhutchins: I have a RAID1 configuration and I am using GRUB as well. |
| 19:51.23 | karlpinc | TheWarden: And now? If you reboot it keeps happening? |
| 19:51.23 | jhutchins | ewew: Did you investigate whether the UUID of the partition had changed? |
| 19:51.35 | TheWarden | karlpinc: yes every single time |
| 19:51.49 | karlpinc | TheWarden: You have already run grub by the time you get the loading linux message, because that's what grub does. |
| 19:52.06 | TheWarden | nothing in fstab, can't see any RAID devices |
| 19:52.18 | ewew | jhutchins No. Just did this. |
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| 19:52.54 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I never see the GRUB menu at boot like I use to. it just shows exactly what the photo shows nothing prior to that other than hardware boot messages from the BIOS. |
| 19:53.04 | jhutchins | ewew: You can still read the current UUID with blkid, if you have a record of the old ones that could be of interest. |
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| 19:53.46 | TheWarden | this sucks :( |
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| 19:53.57 | gerep | Hello good people. I have created a new user and when I use it to log in I notice I can't use the arrow keys, can't clean the terminal with Ctrl+L, what is happening? |
| 19:54.04 | karlpinc | TheWarden: You're in the initial ram filesystem. Maybe it did not rebuild properly for some reason after upgrade. |
| 19:54.09 | gerep | Ah! |
| 19:54.20 | gerep | I think it is using sh instead of bash, does that make sense? |
| 19:54.37 | TheWarden | karlpinc: maybe |
| 19:54.59 | LambdaComplex | gerep: You think? Why don't you run `echo $SHELL` and find out? |
| 19:55.02 | TheWarden | karlpinc: yes I am in the initial ram filesystem as it states that. |
| 19:55.16 | LambdaComplex | gerep: or `echo $0` |
| 19:55.26 | greycat | So, today I upgraded my 64 MB i386 jessie box to Debian 8.3. And when it tried to boot the new kernel with the new initrd and whatever, it gave me an "out of memory, no processes to kill" error. |
| 19:55.32 | gerep | LambdaComplex: I'm sure of that, I checked on /etc/passwd |
| 19:55.33 | gerep | :D |
| 19:55.51 | gerep | No I'll learn how to change it |
| 19:55.51 | greycat | gerep: ps -fp $$ |
| 19:56.11 | greycat | And to change it, "chsh" |
| 19:56.20 | LambdaComplex | chsh -s /path/to/shell |
| 19:56.24 | karlpinc | TheWarden: I'd boot off of other media and investigate. Just to be safe start by fscking everything --- or even safer and backup from your bootable media. Then mount the root fs and chroot into it (rescue mode in the install disk does this for you). Then you could rebuild the initramfs. |
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| 19:56.39 | TheWarden | my concern is how to get the RAID devices back... I see the physical devices /dev/sd* |
| 19:56.44 | gerep | greycat and LambdaComplex thanks :D I'll update it now |
| 19:57.05 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Hardware or md raid? |
| 19:57.12 | TheWarden | karlpinc: oh boy okay.. I'll give it a go. new territory for me. |
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| 19:57.18 | TheWarden | karlpinc: md raid 1 |
| 19:57.30 | greycat | ... so I booted it using the 3.2.0-* wheezy kernel, and now the box is up. Is "Hey, you can't boot a 64 MB box on Debian 8.3" a known issue, or is there something I can do...? |
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| 19:57.55 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Then it should be fine, even without raid. You can use either half of a mirror "as is". |
| 19:57.57 | LambdaComplex | greycat: Sounds like it is now :P |
| 19:58.27 | greycat | If I have to make the 3.2.0 kernel the default kernel on this box so that it can boot from a power-up without manual intervention, I will do that (once I remind myself how), but... seems a bit extreme. |
| 19:58.32 | TheWarden | karlpinc: mmm ok |
| 19:58.58 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I'll try booting up off the install disc and see what I can see... not sure what to look for or do but I'll poke around. |
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| 19:59.45 | TheWarden | when you rarely have issues times like this are frustrating because I've never had to deal with a case where I've need to be in busybox or even use the rescue option :-). |
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| 20:00.25 | ewew | TheWarden just set fstab to right settings and disable grub uuid |
| 20:00.26 | karlpinc | TheWarden: "update-initramfs -u" will update your initramfs for the latest kernel version. But maybe you want to save the old initramfs in /boot and just use update-initramfs to make an entirely new one. But first, make sure there's no disk problems etc. |
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| 20:00.48 | karlpinc | ewew: He's looking at the fstab in the initramfs. |
| 20:00.57 | TheWarden | ewew: yeah that is just it what is the right setting as far as I know that is the correct setting. |
| 20:01.16 | karlpinc | greycat: How much ram? (Just curious) |
| 20:01.19 | TheWarden | karlpinc: okay |
| 20:01.22 | greycat | 6 4MB |
| 20:01.25 | greycat | 64 MB |
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| 20:02.12 | karlpinc | greycat: Sounds like it _could_ be a xz related problem. I was reading the man page the other day and xz can use more ram to unpack that other compression methods. Just a thought. |
| 20:02.24 | karlpinc | s/that/than/ |
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| 20:02.50 | greycat | karlpinc: Is that a new thing in Debian 8.3 as opposed to Debian 8.2? |
| 20:03.14 | karlpinc | greycat: No. But maybe the kernel's just that much bigger, or something else is a little bigger. |
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| 20:03.54 | karlpinc | greycat: (Or rather "No -- I wouldn't think so but am guessing.") |
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| 20:04.33 | m0rd3cai | When i install debian 7 and select "mail server" what mail server program does it install? |
| 20:04.42 | karlpinc | greycat: So, gotta wonder if re-compressing the kernel at a different compression level (after reading the directions) would help. |
| 20:04.51 | m0rd3cai | I had someone blast out a bunch of spam email because its an open relay by default |
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| 20:05.07 | sumi | hello |
| 20:05.09 | karlpinc | m0rd3cai: It should not install an open relay by default. |
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| 20:06.10 | karlpinc | m0rd3cai: Last I looked exim4 was the default. |
| 20:07.13 | m0rd3cai | well heres what happened |
| 20:07.17 | greycat | The default doesn't even listen on the network, only on localhost. |
| 20:07.48 | karlpinc | greycat: If it's an zx problem then complain to the kernel folks. Maybe there can be some sort of installation option/detection for low-ram systems. |
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| 20:09.33 | m0rd3cai | I was updating everything after install. literally in the middle of apt installing and updating packages. my screen went black for 1-2 seconds. when it came back the xdisplay had a different font, a different resolution so i decided to reboot. key note, I had NOT been on ICeweasel or the web at all. also this was a md5 verified iso file used for installation. |
| 20:09.35 | karlpinc | greycat: (No problems, by the way, with 256MB minus a few MB.) |
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| 20:10.28 | m0rd3cai | i decided to reboot at that point and the restart, shutdown, sleep buttons and other text in the window were all in chinese or some crazy pc characters. |
| 20:10.50 | m0rd3cai | i did a netstat -a and there were over 3000 udp connections. |
| 20:10.53 | m0rd3cai | all to mail servers |
| 20:11.03 | m0rd3cai | so from a fresh install, wtf happened? |
| 20:11.07 | greycat | Email does not use UDP, except for DNS lookups. |
| 20:11.15 | m0rd3cai | im not 100% on udp/tcp |
| 20:11.25 | karlpinc | m0rd3cai: Why debian 7? |
| 20:11.31 | m0rd3cai | all i know is netstat -a produced 3000+ connections |
| 20:11.40 | m0rd3cai | ive NEVER had any issues with it |
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| 20:13.29 | m0rd3cai | i just dont understand how i was attacked SOOOO fast |
| 20:13.41 | m0rd3cai | this was all within 30 minutes of being installed. maybe 20 minutes |
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| 20:14.45 | karlpinc | m0rd3cai: You have a good root password? |
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| 20:15.59 | m0rd3cai | yes 22 characters more than 5 special characters and 5 numbers |
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| 20:16.33 | karlpinc | Your own box, or something shared somewhere? |
| 20:16.53 | greycat | I'd expect the attack was done through some application (e.g. a PHP web site), not ssh. |
| 20:17.12 | karlpinc | greycat: Yah. But if he just installed it.... |
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| 20:18.05 | greycat | "installed" can mean a lot of things |
| 20:18.30 | karlpinc | And gotta wonder why debian 7. |
| 20:18.41 | greycat | It's still supported, right? |
| 20:19.01 | karlpinc | greycat: Yes. But not for too much longer before it goes into long-term support. |
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| 20:20.52 | Lucina | Hi, how do i use cpufreq on a xeon cpu ? |
| 20:20.58 | jhutchins | Being pre-systemd is a good reason. |
| 20:21.14 | greycat | Booting on 64 MB of RAM is a good reason. :-/ |
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| 20:21.54 | cnnx | axc1298: thanks |
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| 20:23.42 | karlpinc | jhutchins: There is that. :-) But how much does systemd mess with jessie when it's not the installed boot system? (I capitulated and never tried sysv with jessie.) |
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| 20:25.52 | McErroneous | How do i enable cpu-scaling (cpufreq ) ? |
| 20:26.15 | markybob | McErroneous, https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 20:26.23 | karlpinc | Speaking of capitulating. I guess it's been a while since I've installed from scratch. I've a UEFI box and never done a UEFI install. I've disabled "secure boot". Is there anything else I need to do to get the thing to install? (Will it boot from a cd if I burn a netinstall?) |
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| 20:26.43 | jhutchins | McErroneous: I just installed it and followed the man page. |
| 20:26.45 | markybob | karlpinc, don't use live cd. netinstall will work |
| 20:26.51 | jhutchins | !tell McErroneous about cpufreq |
| 20:27.03 | karlpinc | After install I can delete the microsoft boot loader from the uefi? |
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| 20:27.32 | markybob | karlpinc, the install will do that if you choose to have it install to mbr. which you should |
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| 20:28.04 | karlpinc | markybob: Thanks. I just hope it will boot from a cd. I see no boot options in the uefi interface. |
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| 20:29.27 | McErroneous | cpufreq-info |
| 20:29.27 | McErroneous | cpufrequtils 002: cpufreq-info (C) Dominik Brodowski 2004-2006 |
| 20:29.27 | McErroneous | Bitte melden Sie Fehler an linux@brodo.de. |
| 20:29.27 | McErroneous | analysiere CPU 0: kein oder nicht bestimmbarer cpufreq-Treiber aktiv |
| 20:29.27 | McErroneous | analysiere CPU 1: kein oder nicht bestimmbarer cpufreq-Treiber aktiv |
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| 20:34.09 | McErroneous | modprobe cpufreq_conservative.ko |
| 20:34.09 | McErroneous | FATAL: Module cpufreq_conservative.ko not found. |
| 20:34.39 | McErroneous | what i am i doing wrong ? |
| 20:34.45 | markybob | linux-image-4.2.0-1-amd64: /lib/modules/4.2.0-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko |
| 20:34.50 | markybob | did you install a custom kernel? |
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| 20:36.17 | McErroneous | modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko |
| 20:36.20 | McErroneous | FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.18_6_686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko not found. |
| 20:36.48 | greycat | 2.6.18?! |
| 20:37.19 | blind | wow |
| 20:37.24 | greycat | That's *older than Lenny*. |
| 20:38.05 | greycat | (I have a lenny box, and it's got 2.6.26-2-686) |
| 20:39.15 | towo` | maybe a little trolling? |
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| 20:44.55 | ewew | What is the probable range of things that can change uuid during upgrade ? |
| 20:45.52 | adamg | are you having a grub issue with the AWS AMIs as well? (about to ask a similar question) |
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| 20:46.14 | ryouma | what uuid? disk? |
| 20:46.22 | ewew | yes |
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| 20:46.45 | greycat | A file system with a UUID written into it shouldn't change UUID just because you upgrade software. |
| 20:47.05 | ewew | grub, udev or lvm package ? |
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| 20:50.24 | adamg | in my case, an apt-get upgrade -q -y from the stock jessie AMI is opening up the GRUB curses-interface-thingy asking which devices to install grub on. already worked around ucf prompting about a change in /etc/default/grub, which I think is this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812574 |
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| 20:51.40 | DammitJim | is there a reason I would need to edit my hosts file if I change the server IP address? |
| 20:51.57 | cnnx | ok I'm upgrading to the latest distribution of debian |
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| 20:52.11 | cnnx | my current kernel is 2.6, when i reboot what will it likely be? |
| 20:52.12 | greycat | Only if you added the server and its IP to /etc/hosts previously. |
| 20:52.35 | DammitJim | but the server can run just fine with 127.0.0.1 right? |
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| 20:52.46 | greycat | cnnx: I don't think you can jump from a version of Debian with 2.6 straight to jessie. |
| 20:52.54 | cnnx | greycat: its doing it |
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| 20:52.59 | cnnx | greycat: its updating 200 pacakges now |
| 20:53.13 | adamg | but can't get grub(/dpkg?) to just do whatever needs to be done, despite the -q -y |
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| 20:53.22 | greycat | cnnx: this sounds more like a regular security upgrade |
| 20:55.19 | cnnx | greycat: I want to understand, I set everything to jessie in sources.list |
| 20:55.27 | cnnx | then ran apt-get update and apt-get ugprade |
| 20:55.51 | greycat | cnnx: you have to do "apt-get dist-upgrade" to move across versions. But with a 2.6 running kernel, you would probably have to do it in multiple steps. |
| 20:56.04 | greycat | cnnx: what version are you starting from? |
| 20:56.10 | cnnx | greycat: so exactly what is update from now? |
| 20:56.22 | cnnx | greycat: i dont remember what I changed it from |
| 20:56.39 | greycat | cnnx: what do "cat /etc/debian_version" and "uname -a" say? |
| 20:56.54 | cnnx | greycat: this is debian running on a custom embedded arm sbc i intergrated into a robot i built, i didnt power it for over a year |
| 20:57.01 | ewew | I dont think this is a good idea. Even skilled admins dont do this kind of stunt. |
| 20:57.19 | cnnx | greycat: 6.0.3 |
| 20:57.40 | greycat | An upgrade from squeeze (6.*) to jessie (8.*) is not supported. You have to upgrade to wheezy (7.*) first. |
| 20:57.54 | cnnx | greycat: ok thanks |
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| 20:58.08 | greycat | And at least one of the steps in this process is going to be installing a linux-image-* package and rebooting inti ot. |
| 20:58.11 | greycat | into it |
| 20:58.12 | cnnx | greycat: should I interrrupt the apt-get upgrade then |
| 20:58.36 | greycat | If it's still downloading, I would. |
| 20:58.44 | greycat | If it's installing... I wouldn't. |
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| 21:02.28 | cnnx | greycat: whats the difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:02.35 | greycat | !dist-upgrade |
| 21:02.36 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; as of Debian 5.0 "Lenny", aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>. |
| 21:02.41 | cnnx | do i need both in my case |
| 21:02.50 | __ior | hey all, i'm on lmde2 betsy, but i'm curious what the current kernel on debian jessie stable is? |
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| 21:03.05 | greycat | In your case you need to slow the hell down and read the update instructions. |
| 21:03.20 | greycat | !tell cnnx about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 21:05.02 | cnnx | greycat: I've been using gentoo on my main systems for 10 years, i use debian on smaller machines (like this embedded device) so i dont use it regularly |
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| 21:08.46 | quantic | Found the problem. |
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| 21:13.10 | jhutchins | McErroneous: Did you read any of the links I sent you or the manpage? |
| 21:13.42 | jhutchins | quantic: There was a problem? |
| 21:14.08 | McErroneous | oh , i am sorry..., i was of duty.. lol... rofl ;-( |
| 21:14.55 | McErroneous | jhutchins: so you have been sending me man-pages... ? i am sorry , NO i did NOT |
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| 21:16.27 | jhutchins | McErroneous: You should have a PM from dpkg with some info, but manpages are part of a normal installation. |
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| 21:16.56 | jhutchins | McErroneous: They're not all great, but I was able to get cpufreq working from them. |
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| 21:18.08 | McErroneous | jhutchins: yes , indeed, they use to be part of a common installation, usually..., jhutchins have you been able to get it to work on a XEON-CPU ? |
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| 21:19.26 | jhutchins | McErroneous: Didn't happen to be a Xeon, no. |
| 21:19.44 | cafuego | Are you sure you need it? |
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| 21:19.57 | cafuego | My xeon server scales automagically, without any help from userspace. |
| 21:20.24 | cafuego | ... I think. |
| 21:20.42 | cafuego | Yep |
| 21:20.46 | McErroneous | cpufreq itself is quite easy to use on a regualar CPU x86.. |
| 21:21.29 | McErroneous | but it turns out to be difficult to "tweak it" to work on a xeon.. |
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| 21:23.28 | McErroneous | i tried many distros, the only one which was able to scale the cpu- (manually) was CentOS 6.7 , but no automatic scaling. |
| 21:23.43 | cafuego | shrugs |
| 21:23.56 | cafuego | Like I said, no need for any userspace for me to do that. |
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| 21:24.47 | cafuego | looks like the ondemand governor is loaded and doing its thing |
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| 21:27.40 | cafuego | McErroneous: `apt-get install cpufrequtils; cpufreq-info' |
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| 21:28.24 | greycat | It may not work with his custom kernel that lacks the proper modules. |
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| 21:29.16 | McErroneous | cafuego, : cpufreq-info returns error-message for a xeon processeor, as it turns aout it is not having an adecuate cpufreq-driver for a hp xw6200 -machine.. |
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| 21:31.19 | McErroneous | I hate Linux, it is free, and it destroys life for free as well, at no costs... |
| 21:31.24 | cafuego | McErroneous: Like I said, it works ok here. On a xeon. So your assumption is "doesn't work for xeons" isn't right. |
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| 21:32.09 | greycat | refers to 15:36 McErroneous> modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko |
| 21:32.40 | cafuego | Ohlol. I just scrolled back. |
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| 21:32.57 | cafuego | McErroneous: Step 1: a kernel that was written this millennium. |
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| 21:33.25 | greycat | To be fair, that kernel is only *slightly* older than the one in Lenny. |
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| 21:33.40 | greycat | Nevertheless, it is not a thing we can support here. |
| 21:33.49 | cafuego | But the hardware is *way* newer. |
| 21:33.58 | cafuego | Well, actually, maybe. |
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| 21:34.18 | greycat | I can no longer tell anything, because Intel keeps reusing its CPU names. |
| 21:34.36 | McErroneous | cafuego: never mind, i appreciate your Ubuntu-like spirit of fair-well brotherhood and taking care of old insane and debil minded persons, i know what i am looking for... fair well.. for,,,now |
| 21:34.52 | cafuego | Google says an HP xw6200 comes with a floppy drive, so maybe that's 12 years old too :-/ |
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| 21:36.53 | cafuego | Yeh I'd say that's pretty legacy. |
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| 21:40.54 | jkaberg | best way to inclide fuse (and libfuse) 2.9.4, im currently on 2.9.0 (wheezy). Kind of new to this |
| 21:41.00 | jkaberg | install* |
| 21:41.17 | cafuego | a backport |
| 21:41.35 | greycat | Why are you playing with bleeding edge stuff on oldstable? |
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| 21:42.29 | jsnmn | hi. what is squeeze-sloppy? |
| 21:42.30 | greycat | Anyway, the Debian answer is "get the stretch deb-src (which is 2.9.5-1) and do a simple sid backport of it" |
| 21:42.38 | jkaberg | greycat: I'm planing on using a fuse fs that deps on 2.9.4, and dont want to take on the hassle of an dist upgrd |
| 21:44.07 | jkaberg | greycat: thanks, think I found something useful on that :) |
| 21:44.41 | greycat | I'm not sure I'd be confident of a stretch source package building on wheezy, but you can try. |
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| 21:45.42 | cafuego | Nah, it'd fail on debhelper versions. |
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| 21:46.26 | cafuego | So you'll want to grab the debian dir from the wheezy source tree and tweak that to make the newer package. |
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| 21:49.48 | McErroneous | hmm, Intenso mentioned on their Data-Sheets, that their "Memory Center 3 , 4 , 5 TB" drive is supported by Linuxkernel 2.4 , whereby this disks are larger than 2.2 TB... |
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| 21:52.33 | armin | hi. i just found out that nginx won't start if /var/log/nginx doesn't exist. i consider this a bug. would anyone disagree? |
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| 21:52.55 | greycat | If that directory exists when you install the package, then it is not a bug. |
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| 21:53.11 | greycat | If you had to create it by hand because the postinst forgot to make it, then that's a bug. |
| 21:53.19 | armin | greycat: it's likely that an administrator tries to delete old log-files. |
| 21:53.41 | greycat | You can file a bug report against your sysadmin, but not to the Debian BTS. |
| 21:53.55 | armin | i *did* have to create it manually, but only because i have systems where i put /var/log on a tmpfs. |
| 21:54.02 | armin | so that's not a packaging bug. |
| 21:54.09 | greycat | So it's a self-report. I see. |
| 21:54.09 | armin | hm. |
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| 21:54.36 | armin | so i do have to expect services not starting at all because their logging directories are missing? |
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| 21:54.52 | greycat | Absolutely. Stop doing things that are wrong. |
| 21:55.11 | armin | wouldn't the behaviour of letting nginx or the startup script (read: "unit-file) create that directory in case it's not there make much more sense? |
| 21:55.29 | greycat | Wouldn't keeping LOG FILES in PERMANENT STORAGE make more sense? |
| 21:55.38 | armin | depends on the use-case. |
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| 21:55.56 | armin | but, yes. |
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| 21:56.28 | dionysus69 | what is -y flag for aptitude install? |
| 21:56.51 | greycat | read the man page and see |
| 21:57.13 | armin | greycat: i have systems where unnecessary writes to media are an issue, or where i don't want to have writable filesystems. i'm just experimenting with this, but i don't see why this is completely wrong. |
| 21:57.25 | dionysus69 | greycat: kk thanks ^.^ |
| 21:57.34 | armin | greycat: sure that's far from default. |
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| 21:58.26 | armin | still, i think creating a directory if it's not there is something a daemon could do as long as that daemon tries to write to a file in that directory, and otherwise would completely fail to start up. |
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| 21:58.42 | enty | hello |
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| 21:59.03 | greycat | You could certainly modify your unit files to do so, since you're modifying your log directory structure. |
| 21:59.09 | enty | I want to enable wake-on-lan but apparently there's no bios option for it, although the network card supports it |
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| 21:59.43 | enty | the internet recommends enabling it via windows device manager because apparently that's a persistent way of enabling it without bothering with the BIOS |
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| 22:00.11 | enty | the problem is that I don't have windows and absolutely no interest in installing it :/ |
| 22:00.49 | armin | greycat: seems like the best solution, yes. |
| 22:01.01 | enty | is anyone aware of a solution that sets the proper firmware option on linux? |
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| 22:01.46 | lostcoffee | what's the proper way to remove emacs? I did apt-get remove emacs, but that leaves emacs24 installed. attempting to remove that wants to reinstall emacs and install emacs24-nox |
| 22:02.47 | armin | greycat: i still have problems declaring this thought generally wrong: nginx does create its log-file there, why not just also create the directory if it doesn't exist? |
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| 22:03.36 | greycat | Programs don't *bother* (re)creating their log dir paths every time they start up. It's considered a waste of time, because those paths are a one-time installation step. |
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| 22:04.13 | greycat | Also cf. squid, which requires you to run "squid -z" one time to create the cache directory structure, before you can start it. |
| 22:04.42 | armin | good point. |
| 22:05.01 | armin | greycat: ok i'll adapt my mindset, thanks for your kind help. |
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| 22:05.27 | armin | s/adapt/alter/ |
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| 22:06.45 | McErroneous | learns debian: "Problem is a matter of mindset" |
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| 22:07.34 | armin | McErroneous: that's true for all kind of problems. i mean i'm just using /var/log on a tmpfs. sure that's not normal. |
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| 22:08.03 | armin | McErroneous: question remains if that's a use-case which is so wide-spread that it would justify considering that the average bob does this on their systems. |
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| 22:10.03 | Boink | Just upgraded from Jessie stable to testing, by apt-get update then apt-get upgrade. I want stay on testing permanently , NOT switch to Stretch. Should I do: sudo apt-get dist upgrade, or just leave it as is? |
| 22:10.07 | armin | i think a good example is a raspberry pi. why should i care about it being able to keep log-files over reboots? |
| 22:10.28 | greycat | Boink: if you want to track "testing" forever, just put "testing" in sources.list instead of "stretch" |
| 22:11.33 | armin | yup you could just replace "stretch" with "testing" in your sources.list file. |
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| 22:13.35 | v^ | any way to get non 600x800 resolutions in ttys with nvidia proprietart drivers? |
| 22:14.04 | towo` | 600x800? you kidding? |
| 22:14.25 | Boink | Yeah, I did. The upgrade seems to have gone okay. But unsure after reading up on it, if I need to do dist-upgrade. If i do it will d/l 741 Mb, upgrade 361 pkgs, install 242 new pkgs, remove 36 pkgs. Would I then still be testing, or would it be Stretch at that point? |
| 22:14.57 | v^ | towo`, apparently the nvidia drivers dont implement a console framebuffer |
| 22:15.14 | towo` | v^, read, what you have written |
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| 22:15.46 | towo` | v^, 1st, standard is a 80x25 textkonsole, not 800x600 and never 600x800 |
| 22:16.22 | v^ | towo`, yeah wrong order and not that specific resolution |
| 22:16.32 | v^ | but still, its an issue |
| 22:16.33 | awal1 | Boink: testing = stretch, right now |
| 22:17.06 | v^ | but now ttys are unusable |
| 22:17.34 | towo` | v^, if you want a higer resolution, add GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1980x1024 to /etc/default/grub and do updatate-frub after that |
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| 22:18.08 | zykotick9 | towo`: i don't think that will work... without additional steps/packages... |
| 22:18.18 | v^ | towo`, i did that, i get full 1920x1080 in grub, ive tried the vga parameter on linux too |
| 22:18.19 | towo` | v^, but since the nvidia-driver doesn't support vesa-framebuffer or framebuffer at all, it must not work |
| 22:18.49 | towo` | zykotick9, what do you mean? |
| 22:19.12 | Boink | So, then what are the extra hundreds of packages? |
| 22:19.36 | towo` | v^, you have to check, if your card provide that resolution as frambuffer |
| 22:19.53 | zykotick9 | towo`: with nvidia, there is a "hack" that can increase the VT's resolution... but's i don't think it's worth the effort myself... i also don't have the directions/links anymore. |
| 22:20.07 | towo` | zykotick9, never need a "hack" |
| 22:20.22 | v^ | towo`, its in hwinfo --framebuffer yes, and ive tried lower resolutions than 1920x1080 |
| 22:20.24 | towo` | as long as the kernel is build with vesa fb, it work |
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| 22:20.43 | towo` | only the nvidia driver will complain about framebuffer on load |
| 22:22.18 | v^ | people are saying it has to do with UEFI? |
| 22:22.18 | towo` | v^, if you want a realy working hig resolution tty, use nouveau and it's KMS |
| 22:22.37 | v^ | nouveau unfortunutaly doesnt work |
| 22:22.50 | v^ | well, i get mosaics frequently |
| 22:22.50 | towo` | efi is a problem, yes |
| 22:23.12 | towo` | there i can't help, i don't use EFI boot |
| 22:23.24 | v^ | ill try screwing around with my bios |
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| 22:25.00 | v^ | towo`, disabled EFI and it changed nothing |
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| 22:25.13 | v^ | i dont think it was using it in the first place |
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| 22:25.27 | towo` | v^, all i can tell, it is working here with legacy boot |
| 22:27.02 | towo` | i have GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1920x1080 and it workes like a charm |
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| 22:28.45 | v^ | towo`, exactly what i have |
| 22:28.56 | v^ | welp |
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| 22:56.37 | Jonuz | What is state of (kernel) live patching in debian? |
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| 23:09.06 | awal1 | Stuffs I put in Xdefaults are simply ignored. In the web people says that .Xdefaults is deprecated and one have to use .Xresources but I haven't that file in my home dir. Should I just create it or rename .Xdefaults as .Xresources? |
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| 23:09.30 | awal1 | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1997/12/msg00472.html |
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| 23:16.39 | Ioannis_F | Hello - i was trying to upgrade php5.4 to php5.5 on debiean wheezy - i was told that wheezy is locked to 5.4 but i found this dotdeb site that states they have 5.5 . Can anyone confirm? https://www.dotdeb.org/2013/06/20/php-5-5-0-is-out-and-available-for-debian-7-0-wheezy/ |
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| 23:17.55 | hexnewbie | awal1: I'm not sure those get merged automatically either. You may need to manually merge with xrdb, I had to. Then it doesn't matter how the file is named. Also, note the date of the post - they were deprecated 18 years ago. |
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| 23:20.37 | awal1 | hexnewbie: oh, I havent seen the date, 1997 :D |
| 23:21.30 | awal1 | and yes I merge :xdefaults with xrdb and added that command to my openbox autostart file but it doesn't work auto, I have to use xrdb manually all the time |
| 23:21.34 | awal1 | thats my issue |
| 23:21.36 | BenLue | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.42 | BenLue | any ideas? |
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| 23:37.03 | jim | hi, is there a web interface to udd, as judd is an irc interface/ |
| 23:37.04 | jim | ? |
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| 23:40.45 | allizom | jim: are you looking for https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ? |
| 23:42.23 | jim | umm :) |
| 23:42.25 | jim | sec |
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| 23:47.45 | Cyclohexane | i'm trying to extract a tar to a directory and keep getting cannot open: permission denied on all the files in subdirectories within the tar |
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| 23:55.54 | xormor | 8.3 is out. can you fix the topic? |
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