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| 00:07.18 | joobus | After a recent upgrade, my laptop battery will no longer charge. acpi is saying: "Battery 0: Charging, 22%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge." Has this happened to anyone else recently? |
| 00:08.10 | mtn | joobus: you have a battery or a charger problem |
| 00:09.20 | joobus | mtn: I really don't think I do. the battery looks fine with a "upower --monitor-detail". The battery isn't draining either when it' plugged in, just not charging. |
| 00:09.42 | mtn | joobus: the operating system does not control charging. the hardware does. |
| 00:09.52 | mtn | joobus: hardware/bios, I guess |
| 00:09.59 | joobus | this has happened in the past with acpi upgrades on various distros. |
| 00:10.37 | mtn | joobus: the os may not report things correctly, but it doesn't control the charging |
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| 00:12.50 | teraflops | oh, dont use acpi then :P |
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| 00:15.08 | cnnx | what is a backports server on debian? |
| 00:15.15 | cnnx | like old releases? |
| 00:15.29 | markybob | !tell cnnx about backports |
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| 00:16.12 | teraflops | nope, the other way around |
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| 01:00.47 | atralheaven | Hello, if I add a bash script in "/etc/cron.monthly/" directory, will cron run it 30 days later from the time that file has been added? or run it now and 30 days later, or run it in first day of the month? please answer if you're sure, its important to me! thanks |
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| 01:05.59 | markybob | Artemis3, it runs on the first day of the month. and yes, i'm sure. |
| 01:06.52 | atralheaven | markybob: thanks, how can I make it run 30 days later? |
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| 01:07.41 | markybob | Artemis3, change the setting in /etc/crontab dom (day of month) from 1 to whatever dom you want |
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| 01:08.11 | markybob | atralheaven, ^ |
| 01:08.35 | markybob | atralheaven, it's the last line in default install |
| 01:09.03 | atralheaven | markybob: day of the month should be the day that file has been added, and there are several files that can be added in any day |
| 01:09.39 | markybob | atralheaven, calendar day. 20 will be the 20th of the month regardless of date added |
| 01:11.05 | atralheaven | markybob: is there any way to do that job the way I said? this is what I need... I don't know how can it be done |
| 01:11.37 | markybob | atralheaven, no |
| 01:12.11 | atralheaven | markybob: can I use 1min with 30 days delay? |
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| 01:12.41 | atralheaven | markybob: I remember cron has a delay option |
| 01:13.07 | markybob | atralheaven, i'm not sure what you mean but you can set the min or hour to whatever you want |
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| 01:14.38 | atralheaven | ok thanks |
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| 01:26.09 | karlpinc | Humm, markybob was wrong. And now everybody's gone. Oh well. |
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| 01:27.50 | freq | lewl |
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| 01:30.54 | iio7 | I am trying to get a couple of USB discs to spin down. I am using sdparm and the using the stop command does indeed spin down the disc, but it doesn't automatically spin up again once a request happen, like it being mounted over lan, etc. Anyone with experience in getting this to work? The disc stays down and I then get IO error unless I manually start the disc again with sdparm. |
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| 01:32.18 | beepie | a usb disk mounted over lan, hmmm |
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| 01:32.44 | beepie | maybe it's flash XD |
| 01:33.22 | iio7 | Its sitting on a nas that is exported over lan too. |
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| 01:39.50 | awal1 | I dont remember the pack needed for make nautilus play audio file holding the mouse pointer above that file without opening it with x audio/video player |
| 01:40.27 | awal1 | I remember that feature under squeeze with gnome 2. or that feature doesn't exist anymore with gnome3? |
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| 01:44.36 | Inglipz | gloobus? |
| 01:45.33 | allizom | awal1: something like gnome-sushi ? |
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| 01:48.23 | beepie | !sushi |
| 01:48.23 | dpkg | sushi wa dai-suki desu yo. |
| 01:48.27 | beepie | ha ya! |
| 01:48.35 | beepie | allizom, wassabe!!! |
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| 01:53.24 | cnnx | can someone help me fix a broken squeeze install on arm arch |
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| 01:53.47 | cnnx | i cant upgrade because of the hardware but i want to get it back to work because if i reboot i wont have access to the system anymore |
| 01:54.26 | cnnx | http://paste.debian.net/368587/ |
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| 01:55.47 | Lilithhh | Ohai! does this website work the same way with gnu/linux computers?!?: http://crashsafari.com/ |
| 01:57.16 | cra1g321 | yay a random link... |
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| 01:58.03 | LambdaComplex | Lilithhh: You're really not that good at trolling |
| 01:58.11 | Lilithhh | aww |
| 01:58.16 | Lilithhh | at least I tried? |
| 01:58.32 | LambdaComplex | That's one way to look at it |
| 01:58.40 | Lilithhh | actually I got some people.. believe it or not |
| 01:58.46 | cnnx | ok no one answered, should I just do a fresh install? |
| 01:58.53 | LambdaComplex | Try insulting Arch on /g/ |
| 01:59.14 | LambdaComplex | Lilithhh: And you never told me how Mac is better! |
| 01:59.21 | LambdaComplex | Cmon, I practically invite a flame war and you ignore me |
| 01:59.24 | LambdaComplex | Really weak trolling |
| 01:59.38 | Lilithhh | :3 well I thought that would give me away |
| 01:59.40 | Lilithhh | ya know |
| 01:59.41 | Lilithhh | ;) |
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| 01:59.52 | LambdaComplex | The "saying mac is better in #ubuntu" thing? |
| 01:59.58 | LambdaComplex | Yeah, that was a pretty dead giveaway |
| 02:00.15 | Lilithhh | awwww T___T |
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| 02:00.20 | LambdaComplex | Try something like "I think Mac is better because <insert bs reason that isn't technically wrong>" |
| 02:00.32 | Lilithhh | I see |
| 02:00.40 | Lilithhh | Then I'll go to ubuntu's IRC |
| 02:00.45 | LambdaComplex | Oh hey this is #debian |
| 02:00.51 | Lilithhh | yeah I know |
| 02:00.51 | LambdaComplex | So....I still need to get the nvidia driver working |
| 02:00.59 | LambdaComplex | Should probably do that at some point |
| 02:01.06 | LambdaComplex | Either that or figure out how to get nouveau working right |
| 02:01.11 | LambdaComplex | The framebuffer won't load without nomodeset |
| 02:01.18 | LambdaComplex | But nouveau doesn't work with nomodeset |
| 02:01.21 | Lilithhh | X_X |
| 02:01.23 | LambdaComplex | So I get stuck at 1024x768 |
| 02:01.28 | awal1 | allizom: excuses, I was away. i have no idea if it's gnomesushi. But looking at the aptitude description of gnome-sushi, it seems that it's the pack I was reffering, yeah. Thanks ! |
| 02:01.40 | LambdaComplex | Or I could just keep using Arch since it justwerks |
| 02:01.52 | Lilithhh | :o |
| 02:01.59 | Lilithhh | how long have yu been at this? |
| 02:02.02 | allizom | yw awal1 |
| 02:02.03 | LambdaComplex | Been at what? |
| 02:02.17 | Lilithhh | @,@ |
| 02:02.46 | Lilithhh | developing an understanding on how not to troll |
| 02:03.07 | Lilithhh | meh \o/ |
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| 02:03.40 | LambdaComplex | Years of 4channing will do that to you |
| 02:04.34 | Lilithhh | 4chan has been cancer to me |
| 02:04.53 | Lilithhh | I can only live around 8ch or 2ch and other smol chans |
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| 02:05.14 | LambdaComplex | Isn't 8ch dead af? |
| 02:05.22 | LambdaComplex | And isn't 2ch japanese? Or is that the other 2ch? |
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| 02:05.24 | cra1g321 | !offtopic |
| 02:05.25 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:05.30 | Lilithhh | opp |
| 02:05.40 | Lilithhh | well I got somewhere to go!!! @.@ |
| 02:05.47 | Lilithhh | *oop |
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| 02:06.13 | LambdaComplex | cra1g321: If you'd like to tell me how to get Debian to boot without nomodeset then be my guest :P |
| 02:06.44 | beepie | LambdaComplex, you add that to /etc/default/grub and do update-grub |
| 02:07.01 | cra1g321 | beepie, he said 'without' so... |
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| 02:07.28 | beepie | maybe he meant nomodeset, as by default that isn't set |
| 02:07.55 | LambdaComplex | I don't even have grub installed with Debian |
| 02:07.58 | LambdaComplex | Nor am I using grub |
| 02:08.00 | cra1g321 | LambdaComplex, what nvidia card do you have ? |
| 02:08.07 | LambdaComplex | ...Nor do I need advice on changing boot params |
| 02:08.12 | LambdaComplex | cra1g321: GTX-970 |
| 02:08.22 | LambdaComplex | nvidia-detect recommended nvidia-driver from jessie-backports |
| 02:08.25 | beepie | i think nouveau requires to use something with the intel gfx driver |
| 02:08.29 | LambdaComplex | Which I'm pretty sure I installed successfully |
| 02:08.37 | cra1g321 | nvidia driver from backports doesnt support it |
| 02:08.57 | beepie | LambdaComplex, you using lilo? |
| 02:09.23 | LambdaComplex | beepie: rEFInd |
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| 02:09.27 | cra1g321 | jessie and jessie backports both have version 340.96 |
| 02:09.31 | cra1g321 | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 02:09.32 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.96-4~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 340.96-4; sid/non-free: 352.63-2 |
| 02:09.33 | LambdaComplex | Hm. |
| 02:10.13 | cra1g321 | LambdaComplex, remove the nvidia packages you already install and maybe try the SteamOS packages |
| 02:10.15 | cra1g321 | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_352.55_64bit_.28SteamOS_repository.29 |
| 02:10.44 | beepie | LambdaComplex, btw if you want to boot directly on a Mac without touching it's firmware, you can just rename the <debiangrub.efi> to BOOTX64.EFI (and place that in the standard efi boot location) |
| 02:10.49 | cra1g321 | they support a 970 and higher but i've never used those pacakages personally |
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| 02:11.19 | LambdaComplex | beepie: I'm not using a Mac |
| 02:11.32 | beepie | or even a non-mac. |
| 02:11.34 | LambdaComplex | And again, I don't even have grub installed |
| 02:11.36 | Slumlord_ | hello beepie |
| 02:11.37 | beepie | bootx64.efi is standard iirc |
| 02:11.41 | LambdaComplex | It is |
| 02:12.06 | beepie | LambdaComplex, or anythinth that creates your .efi , just cited an example |
| 02:12.34 | beepie | LambdaComplex, only you know fully how to use your efi shell |
| 02:12.59 | LambdaComplex | Can't say I've ever actually needed the efi shell |
| 02:13.43 | LambdaComplex | cra1g321: Are there any packages I'd need besides nvidia-driver? |
| 02:14.00 | LambdaComplex | Honestly I'd prefer to try to get nouveau working |
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| 02:14.14 | cra1g321 | look at the steps |
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| 02:14.38 | karstensrage | i have built a package with .deb's and .changes, and a .dsc |
| 02:14.50 | karstensrage | i want to sign them on a different machine that doesnt have any debian stuff |
| 02:15.00 | LambdaComplex | Well the problem I was having with nouveau is I literally coudln't boot |
| 02:15.02 | karstensrage | since that is where the key is |
| 02:15.10 | LambdaComplex | It paused with some message about switching to nouveaufb I think |
| 02:15.15 | karstensrage | is there any docs on how to sign things separately? |
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| 02:18.55 | karlpinc | karstensrage: All I know is that there's devel docs. If you've not looked there then that'd be somewhere to look. |
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| 02:26.22 | karlpinc | karstensrage: Try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 02:29.10 | karstensrage | karlpinc, thanks |
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| 03:31.40 | NetEcho | is there any way of fixing this issue via SSH? Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1': timed out - this happens often and requires a hardboot of the system which is 4 hours away from me |
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| 04:01.04 | McErrone1us | modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko |
| 04:01.17 | McErrone1us | FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.18_6_686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko not found. |
| 04:01.56 | McErrone1us | what am i doing wrong ? |
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| 05:25.39 | valdyn | NeoBlaster: Maybe rtfm |
| 05:25.43 | valdyn | oops |
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| 05:42.55 | aarcane | anybody got any current info on deploying scst + qlogic Fibre Channel adapters in target mode on Debian 7/8 ? I'm very interested in it, but I can't seem to find any info on it anywhere. |
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| 05:44.37 | markybob | aarcane, this is for debian 6 but it still applies https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-create-a-fiber-channel-san-using-scst-with-qlogic-hba-on-linux-debian-6 |
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| 05:45.18 | markybob | it's been the same for a long time now |
| 05:45.26 | aarcane | markybob, I've read that a few dozen times. I was hoping there would be.. Some way to accomplish what should be a simple DKMS install without needing to recompile an entire kernel.. |
| 05:45.36 | aarcane | ...by now. |
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| 05:52.25 | McErroneous | Why does my modprobe-command not work ? |
| 05:52.35 | McErroneous | modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko |
| 05:52.45 | McErroneous | FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.18_6_686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko not found. |
| 05:52.58 | markybob | McErroneous, we've talked about this already |
| 05:53.26 | McErroneous | you chat for fun, i need help on it... |
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| 05:56.20 | markybob | of course we all chat for fun. if we didn't enjoy it we wouldn't be here. the same problems are still there, though. |
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| 05:57.28 | McErroneous | markybob, are you able to provide help on this topic ? |
| 05:59.44 | markybob | McErroneous, i see no need to do a conversation over again that's already happened |
| 06:00.16 | aarcane | McErroneous, Since you've apparently asked this before, I'll say this once and only once. You modprobe a module name (in this case cpufreq-conservative), or you insmod a module file by path (what you ahve there). |
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| 06:01.07 | McErroneous | aarcane,, that is exactly what i did.... |
| 06:01.50 | valdyn | McErroneous: then you are lieing to us: "modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko" does *not* match the instructions |
| 06:02.26 | McErroneous | valdyn, could you be more specific on this ? |
| 06:02.57 | valdyn | McErroneous: the instructions are: use modprobe and a module name, that gives literally "modprobe cpufreq_conservative" |
| 06:03.35 | valdyn | McErroneous: and to be even more explicit: "modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686//kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_conservative.ko" is *WRONG* |
| 06:03.52 | McErroneous | valdyn, so you are saying i should not use the filename of the module... |
| 06:04.14 | valdyn | McErroneous: im not sure there is a way to be any more |
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| 06:04.19 | valdyn | McErroneous: clear |
| 06:04.21 | McErroneous | okay.., i am listening... , go ahead.. |
| 06:04.29 | valdyn | McErroneous: except by holding your pencil |
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| 06:04.55 | valdyn | heh |
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| 06:08.42 | McErroneous | okay, valdyn that was a help..., now i need to get my xeon to work with cpufreq,,.., let me try and fiddle with it.. |
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| 06:12.57 | McErroneous | valdyn, is there a way of downloading a xeon-capable cpufreq-driver using apt-get ? |
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| 06:17.29 | no_gravity | Is povray in the debian repos? apt-cache search does not find it. |
| 06:17.42 | no_gravity | But here it looks like it is: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=povray |
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| 06:23.18 | McErroneous | how do i remove all unused Kernelmodules listet by lsmod ? modprobe -r * does not work..., right ? |
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| 06:29.10 | nkuttler | McErroneous: um.. why do you want to do that? |
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| 06:32.14 | nkuttler | McErroneous: please keep it in the channel |
| 06:33.12 | McErroneous | says: keep it straight ? Wanna provide help ? Go for it.. |
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| 06:34.13 | nkuttler | !xy |
| 06:34.14 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to do proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 06:35.55 | McErroneous | Siri will tell you how to solve your problems, that might be the next level , if you want to know all and everthing.. |
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| 06:38.07 | McErroneous | about my objectives and my goals ..., and what i am trying to archive, and why i want to do , what i do.. |
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| 06:41.09 | towo^work | if a module is listed by lsmod, it's not realy unused |
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| 06:42.12 | McErroneous | are you human or artificial, you missed my point, sorry pal... |
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| 06:50.53 | McErroneous | towo^work: somebody may say : McErroneous is not useless, (unused) because he is in the debian-chat on freenode, but does it really proves the point ? |
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| 06:53.55 | McErroneous | towo^work: or are you essentially saying that I(we) have lost control of the machines, and there is nothing we may do about it ? |
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| 06:58.35 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:59.03 | McErroneous | towo^work: i guess your are better off concentrating on one sole issue, rather than trying to hold up with single chat-users and doing your work at the very same time. |
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| 06:59.38 | towo^work | McErroneous, are you on the wrong drugs? |
| 06:59.57 | McErroneous | Maybe. |
| 07:00.06 | towo^work | then help yourself |
| 07:00.26 | Tsutsukakushi | towo^work: http://thinkmoult.com/irc.html |
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| 07:06.09 | pasturesofplenty | what might be the easiest way to have automatic login with debian (without a display manager) |
| 07:07.09 | nkuttler | boot with init=/bin/sh ? |
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| 07:07.41 | pasturesofplenty | perhaps a i need to rephrase :) |
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| 07:08.02 | pasturesofplenty | still need systemd to do its systemd thing |
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| 07:09.41 | pasturesofplenty | basically i want to get all the way to an xorg server with one application open... there really isnt any desktop enivornment on this system and i dont really want to introduce something like gnome/xfce/etc onto the system, so i was thinking, autologin at boot, it runs bash_profile which executes startx and ~/.xinitrc launches the program i require |
| 07:10.07 | pasturesofplenty | so the system is setup as a terminal for one program and one program only |
| 07:10.10 | towo^work | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Automatic_login_to_virtual_console |
| 07:11.00 | pasturesofplenty | towo^work: ah, so there is a systemd way to do this then... |
| 07:11.09 | pasturesofplenty | i actually didnt konw this about agetty |
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| 07:12.41 | pasturesofplenty | needs to learn systemd some day |
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| 07:32.13 | zykotick9 | a question about agetty, for someone running jessie+, does "ps aux | grep agetty" return anything (besides the grep itself)? |
| 07:32.49 | towo^work | root 31016 0.0 0.0 37120 2032 tty2 Ss+ Jan25 0:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty2 linux |
| 07:32.51 | towo^work | on sid |
| 07:33.08 | zykotick9 | towo^work: so it does have 1. thanks. |
| 07:35.56 | Tsutsukakushi | pasturesofplenty: you don't need a full on DE just to get a display manager |
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| 07:36.34 | zykotick9 | towo^work: sidenote, if you open then close some VTs, you'll see more.. i was curious about "by default" <- if that means _anything_ on debian |
| 07:36.47 | pasturesofplenty | zykotick9: it only returns the grep process for me |
| 07:37.05 | zykotick9 | pasturesofplenty: same here, but i've modified it... |
| 07:37.12 | pasturesofplenty | Tsutsukakushi: i know, i just feel like its more than i really need for what im doing (a display manager that is) |
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| 07:37.54 | pasturesofplenty | zykotick9: so i *think* one thing i do actually know about systemd is that it wont spawn a getty process until it is needed |
| 07:38.00 | Chappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.11 | zykotick9 | pasturesofplenty: yup... |
| 07:38.48 | zykotick9 | pasturesofplenty: well... only to a point. but it is more dynamic in nature. |
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| 07:40.06 | pasturesofplenty | zykotick9: so i just went to vt2 then back to vt1 and did ps aux | grep agetty and nwo there is an actual agetty process there |
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| 07:40.18 | zykotick9 | ya... |
| 07:40.29 | nkuttler | zykotick9: /sbin/agetty --noclear tty1 linux |
| 07:41.46 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: logged in via ssh? |
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| 07:43.32 | nkuttler | zykotick9: not into this machine |
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| 07:44.08 | nkuttler | oh wait, sorry, that's my sid box |
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| 07:44.21 | nkuttler | jessie is empty, right |
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| 07:45.55 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: actually, on my server with default systemd/logind.conf i don't see any agetty processes either... i assumed i'd see one... on my laptop, i have it set to 4 max, and am using 4 vt's so i wouldn't expect to see any. but i'm surprised about the server?!? |
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| 08:19.30 | feckinsusie | Hi, I had a dpkg error during apt-get dist-upgrade. Now, when I run "apt-get dist-upgrade", it says "3 not fully installed or removed." ... How do I fully install or remove them/ |
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| 08:21.54 | donoban | feckinsusie: are you using backports or packages from another repository? |
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| 08:22.51 | feckinsusie | donoban: Not for this package (it's just the Linux kernel sources) ... but I am using some unofficial repos for qgis |
| 08:23.21 | donoban | maybe I'm wrong, I understood that your packages were keeping back |
| 08:24.30 | feckinsusie | donoban: No, the problem was actually that I was out of space on /boot. I just need to know how to retry the install. The problem is when I try to run dist-upgrade again, it doesn't try to automatically re-install them |
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| 09:01.46 | dagerik | http://imgur.com/MDyKf8z |
| 09:02.57 | willemb | Re-asking a question from yesterday because I hope there are more potential answerers here: |
| 09:04.14 | willemb | using the backported 3.16 kernel on a 32 bit wheezy box running apache/exim/dovecot has MUCH higher load than the same machine under 3.2 |
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| 09:05.40 | chele | so where is the question? |
| 09:06.03 | willemb | The question is: why does that happen and what can I do to get better performance? |
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| 09:08.24 | Iridos | read kernel changelogs? |
| 09:10.36 | jelly | willemb: a higher load average number does not necessarily mean lower performance. Did you verify performance with a http or imap benchmark? |
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| 09:12.00 | willemb | my munin graphs show less cpu idle and more iowait, plus much worse http loadtime |
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| 09:42.28 | McErroneous | Has somebody a working flashplayer installed using etch ? |
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| 11:05.17 | DelphiWorld | yo debianists |
| 11:05.24 | DelphiWorld | any ready to boot image to be used with kvm? |
| 11:05.40 | hoppin | hi, does anyone know how to configure the polling rate for a touchpad? it is like the "framerate" is low, does not seem to be a performance issue. |
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| 11:09.44 | Nectur | Hello i'm trying to install ssh but i get "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." |
| 11:09.56 | Nectur | How could i resolve this? |
| 11:10.21 | DelphiWorld | Nectur: apt-get -f install ? |
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| 11:22.53 | Nectur | Can can i do this in terminal? |
| 11:22.56 | ws2k3 | i'm strugleing with an issue. i am trying to kill a proces that is in D state. i know D state proces cannot be killed because they are already dead. but i think the proces is waiting for an NFS call. the nfs share is already working again. would it be possible to figure out what the proces is waiting for and just make that happen? |
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| 11:30.02 | Nectur | DelphiWorld: ofc i tried that |
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| 11:37.02 | ChrisH | ws2k3: From my point of knowlegde with Linux kernel it is not possible or at least not easy possible. Solaris Kernel eg. offers DTrace to figure out whats hangning. Is NFS really working again, without remouning on the client-side? BTW D is not Dead, but "uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)". |
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| 11:54.27 | kale | hi, i am trying to configure my network device. but it does not react to the changes i make in /etc/networking/interfaces... http://incoming.kallenberg.dk/interfaces/ |
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| 12:01.12 | vvande | kale: perhaps restart networking: # service networking restart |
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| 12:01.39 | kale | vvande: tried that, does not read the change |
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| 12:01.59 | kale | vvande: could this be because there is no cable in the NIC? |
| 12:02.31 | vvande | I don't know. Stick one in and see. |
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| 12:03.12 | vvande | It really shouldn't make a difference though. |
| 12:03.52 | vvande | What difference are you expecting? |
| 12:04.15 | kale | vvande: i expect the interface to be up and configure for 192.168.1.254 |
| 12:05.28 | xVim | Hi, someone in the #python channel told me I happen to have two installations of both python2.7 and python3.4 on my Jessie system. The installations in /usr/local/lib are uncommon for Debian and should be removed. How can I do that? |
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| 12:06.01 | xVim | I am afraid to purge python with APT, and subsequently lots of programs not running again. |
| 12:07.09 | vvande | kale: I take it you are using wireless right now? |
| 12:07.16 | kale | vvande: nope |
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| 12:07.35 | vvande | so you _do_ have a cable plugged in then. :) |
| 12:08.04 | kale | vvande: using irc from other machine, and running on eth0 on the machine that has the problem. it is eth1 i am having the configuration problems on |
| 12:08.18 | kale | there is a cable in eth0, but no cable in eth1 |
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| 12:09.18 | vvande | if you specify the interface (eth0 or eth1) then it should use that specific one. |
| 12:09.43 | kale | vvande: network-manager steps in here and automagically runs dhcp on eth0 |
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| 12:09.52 | vvande | are you sure you have all the correct systax? |
| 12:10.08 | kale | no, that is why a posted a link to my interface file |
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| 12:10.38 | vvande | Ah, network-manager. I haven't had it around for some years. Usually I uninstall it so that things will work. But I thought they had it fixed by now. |
| 12:10.52 | vvande | you don't need it for DHCP. |
| 12:11.24 | kale | vvande: yes, it works on my other machines, it is installed, because it came in as default, but i would like to get it working as expected |
| 12:12.24 | vvande | I can't see the link. |
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| 12:15.09 | kale | vvande: http://incoming.kallenberg.dk/interfaces/ |
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| 12:18.40 | vvande | That looks almost identical to my other machine. Perhaps add gateway? |
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| 12:24.24 | P4 | hi. what was the offcial debian testing channel name on oftc? #debian-testing it is not :P i have a question about kernel version. just dist-upgraded my stretch and can see that linux-image-4.3.3-7 was installed but https://www.kernel.org/ says that latest stable is 4.4 |
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| 12:32.13 | nkuttler | P4: #debian-next |
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| 12:32.31 | P4 | ah -next! thanks! :-) |
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| 12:40.24 | McErroneous | May i connect a large HDD without loss of Data in Debian Etch ? (HDD >2.2TB, GPT formatted) |
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| 12:47.47 | kale | McErroneous: yes you may ... |
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| 12:48.06 | John | Hi all |
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| 12:48.30 | boodie | Any hints on motherboards that work 100 % with linux (audio, video, wireless, ethernet ...)? |
| 12:48.36 | John | I have two folders which I want to contain the same information. I copied the contents of one to the other, but at some point it failed and I had to restart |
| 12:48.41 | kale | McErroneous: BUT, if you for some reason are doing some data recovery, there are some things you can do |
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| 12:49.11 | John | Now im unsure if when i restart that the incompletely-transferred file was re-transfered, or, its just sitting there half-transfered and it gets skipped |
| 12:49.34 | John | boodie: in my experience, these days, they almost all do |
| 12:49.43 | John | In fact you'd be very unlucky to find one that didnt |
| 12:49.52 | John | That is, assuming you're OK with installing non-free drivers |
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| 12:50.22 | p0g0 | There is a chance some of the most recent wireless stuff may be a challenge. |
| 12:50.40 | McErroneous | kale, My Buffalo NAS (LS-Mini) destroys GPT-formatted HDDs at establishing the usb-connection..., which made me lose Data in the past... |
| 12:51.57 | kale | McErroneous: sounds like the NAS has some default functions to make the disk useable for itself. By try it out. Take another disk apply gpt and insert it into your etch, I would supsect that you will get no problems at all |
| 12:53.45 | McErroneous | true, true, true, i have another disk i could use to perform the test, wonder why this idea never occured to me... ;-) |
| 12:54.19 | kale | McErroneous: i guess you always has an usb stick lying around :-) |
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| 13:01.25 | unwanted | any recommendation for IP network traffic monitoring i can use for my debian? with gui? |
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| 13:02.40 | McErroneous | unwanted: i have not much of a clue, but i heard ppl mentioning about wireshark |
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| 13:03.49 | teraflops | unwanted: depends on your setup, if acts as a router/bridge iptraf is fine, if not something simpler like iftop or simmilars, iptraf is old as hell ti be fair but I like it |
| 13:04.03 | teraflops | s/ti/to |
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| 13:05.05 | unwanted | i see thanks leme check your recommendation thanks. |
| 13:06.27 | teraflops | unwanted: i supposed you were asking about real time traffic monitoring, for packet inspection tcpdump wireshark and so son |
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| 13:06.55 | unwanted | yes teraflops that's what i mean xP |
| 13:07.03 | teraflops | ok, np |
| 13:07.03 | JTeatime | so, /etc/timezone aka debconf tzdata: This setting doesn't really matter, right? It's just the default display format, right, and any critical timestamps that anything stores should have a timezone/utc-offset included in them, right? So it's OK for me to set this to US/Eastern for my own convenience, and not feel the need to set it to UTC for cloud/servers as some people insist on doing |
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| 13:09.46 | skazz | Can anyone please tell me how to get xinitrc to start firefox in full-screen? (Browser kiosk, happen to be using a Rpi) |
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| 13:12.02 | unixer | unwanted: +1 wireshark |
| 13:13.14 | Yorlik_Tower | Hello - Its been a while I have installed an x-server (woody times ..). I'd like to install Xorg solely for use as a remote ssh-tunneled X11 on a server. Which driver should I use? The Intel driver (Intel onboard Graphics chip) or Framebuffer? |
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| 13:15.06 | teraflops | skazz: create a new profile and call ff with the --ProfileManager or just use an addon |
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| 13:17.55 | nkuttler | Yorlik_Tower: you don't need one on the remote box |
| 13:18.30 | Yorlik_Tower | nkuttler How is the route to go then? I'll use Xming as local |
| 13:18.54 | nkuttler | what's xming? |
| 13:19.02 | Yorlik_Tower | Windows Xserver flavor |
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| 13:19.14 | teraflops | Yorlik_Tower: this is linux not cygwin :P |
| 13:19.28 | Yorlik_Tower | My question is about my debian server |
| 13:19.53 | Yorlik_Tower | teraflops - I'm asking what i need on the server to run X Apps there and see them locally here |
| 13:19.57 | nkuttler | Yorlik_Tower: with two debian boxes you'd just ssh -X <server>, yo don't need an xserver there, your question is about your windows box |
| 13:20.13 | nkuttler | s#yo#you |
| 13:20.33 | teraflops | Yorlik_Tower: you need an xorg server and openssh |
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| 13:21.32 | Yorlik_Tower | I'd like to be able to start X-programs without display on the server and come back later to see what they re doing |
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| 13:21.45 | Yorlik_Tower | So I need some sort of fake display at least I'd guess. |
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| 13:21.59 | nkuttler | well that's a completely different question |
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| 13:22.19 | teraflops | Yorlik_Tower: also consider that only cygwin apps will run in the windows side via ssh -X/Y not the native ones |
| 13:22.50 | skazz | teraflops: I just installed the RKiosk firefox addon, still does not make it full-screen, I also tried the geometry argument |
| 13:22.54 | Yorlik_Tower | teraflops, xming is configured to be used with a standalone putty |
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| 13:23.02 | skazz | ill ask in xorg |
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| 13:23.33 | nkuttler | Yorlik_Tower: sounds like you want some vnc solution, you might be able to run that in xvfb, no idea |
| 13:23.49 | teraflops | Yorlik_Tower: hmm I use cygwin openssh with the xorg they ship too, never tried with putty |
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| 13:24.54 | teraflops | skazz: and tried with a new profile, start with it, do f11, alt +f4 and see if ti starts in full screen? |
| 13:25.02 | Yorlik_Tower | rubs chin |
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| 13:25.46 | teraflops | skazz: also you so not say what are you using, DM/WM, and if ff/ieceweasel do full screen properly there by pressing f11 |
| 13:26.08 | teraflops | s/so/do |
| 13:26.45 | teraflops | skazz: sorry for the typos im on the phone |
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| 13:29.11 | skazz | teraflops: It's just a fresh install of firefox, new profile, just running exec firefox in xinitrc, so no dm/wm |
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| 13:29.47 | teraflops | skazz: ^ |
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| 13:30.28 | teraflops | as in exec firefox? does it work in a debian box? |
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| 13:41.25 | McErroneous | is looking at Yorlik_Tower, and wonders himself |
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| 13:42.31 | McErroneous | what this chin rubbing is all about.. |
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| 13:52.01 | Inglipz | Hey guys! |
| 13:52.34 | Inglipz | I know it is the worst, but could somebody help me with a slight wifi issue on Jessie? |
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| 13:53.59 | Inglipz | Basically, my system recognizes my card, uses the (I think) appropriate driver (atheros9k). I can see and connect to wifi networks, but connection is terrible. |
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| 13:54.46 | Inglipz | Other computers work fine with the same network and ethernet also works fine on my machine |
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| 14:11.30 | bumbar_ | any particular reason mariadb-common package removes git and build-essential? |
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| 14:14.20 | nkuttler | !tell bumbar_ about bat |
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| 14:17.41 | satbyy | bumbar_: you can check with "aptitude why mariadb-common git" |
| 14:18.46 | satbyy | try also with "why-not" |
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| 14:25.33 | stmuk | sigh is there someone else with a HP Stream 11 who knows if its realtek or boardcom wireless? or how to tell |
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| 14:27.06 | karlpinc | stmuk: Look up the pciid with "lspci -nn" as root. Then in irc "/msg judd pciid <whatever>" (I think that's right.) |
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| 14:27.26 | stmuk | ah thanks |
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| 14:34.33 | Haxxa | Yay Uptime has finally pass ed 2 days on my server - longest yet! |
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| 14:35.03 | Haxxa | My Uptime is usually much lower. As my PSU is dying so 2 days is fine number. |
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| 14:36.20 | v0r0nwe | Haxxa: whoot? server? my server uptime is >100 days |
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| 14:36.59 | bmomjian | I just upgraded Debian Squeeze and X is not working on boot, or perhaps at all. Any ideas? |
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| 14:37.42 | nkuttler | bmomjian: what happens when you run startx? /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:37.44 | Haxxa | v0r0nwe, How do you deal with kernel upgrade? |
| 14:37.55 | Haxxa | do you simpley patch |
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| 14:39.14 | hightower4 | Hey, I'm building a debian package, and ./usr/share/info/libffi.info.gz ends up placed in it automatically (By some of dh_ helpers I presume). Where is this coming from? |
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| 14:39.29 | bmomjian | running startx shows: exec: 3: /usr/bin/X: not found |
| 14:39.31 | hightower4 | (Which helper is it, and how can I disable it?) |
| 14:39.33 | bmomjian | then hangs |
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| 14:39.58 | bmomjian | looking at the log now |
| 14:40.35 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Sounds like X is not installed. Did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes? |
| 14:40.39 | bmomjian | Here is the X log: http://momjian.us/tmp/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:40.39 | towo^work | /usr/bin/X not found ==> install xserver-xorg |
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| 14:42.18 | karlpinc | hightower4: There's #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org for packagers if you don't get an answer here. |
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| 14:42.27 | bmomjian | Here is the update email: http://momjian.us/tmp/update.txt |
| 14:42.34 | bmomjian | I don't see anything in there about X needing modifications |
| 14:43.01 | bmomjian | so I do apt-get install xserver-xorg? |
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| 14:43.12 | bmomjian | I know the old one was removed as per the email |
| 14:43.18 | towo^work | bmomjian, if you want /usr/bin/X, yes |
| 14:43.40 | towo^work | and why you use such old debian? |
| 14:43.47 | bmomjian | OK, installing, thanks |
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| 14:44.02 | bmomjian | not sure why I am on such an old version, but February is the upgrade month for me |
| 14:44.13 | bmomjian | OK, seems X can start now |
| 14:44.21 | bmomjian | thanks; odd it required that |
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| 14:44.58 | karlpinc | bmomjian: You should not skip releases when upgrading. |
| 14:45.16 | bmomjian | right |
| 14:46.36 | v0r0nwe | Haxxa: ok 100 may be a bit high but if there is a new kernel, this is the only reason to reboot sometimes |
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| 14:46.49 | Haxxa | v0r0nwe, yes but how do I avoid that |
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| 14:47.09 | Haxxa | after I fix my hardware I want my webserver to be up 24/7 |
| 14:47.39 | karlpinc | Haxxa: You don't avoid it. If you need constant uptime you have more than one box and hot failover. |
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| 14:48.15 | v0r0nwe | Haxxa: avoid what? |
| 14:48.20 | Haxxa | karlpinc, so people who have 700 days uptime are silly |
| 14:48.37 | v0r0nwe | yes ok |
| 14:48.39 | Haxxa | avoiding updates and making system less secure |
| 14:49.05 | karlpinc | Haxxa: There's some support in the kernel for hot-patching, but that still does not solve the problem since you'll need to restart, say, the webserver if glibc has a security update. |
| 14:49.35 | v0r0nwe | i just do such things over night where there are not as many users on my servers as at daytime ;) |
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| 14:50.09 | v0r0nwe | and of course if consistent uptime really matters, hot switching with another mirrored server |
| 14:50.31 | Haxxa | karlpinc, Yer I though 4.0 and above had hot patching why then do we still need to reboot? |
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| 14:51.50 | karlpinc | Haxxa: You might not need to reboot, but you'd still need to restart essential services when they need updating. So you don't get continual uptime. |
| 14:52.00 | bmomjian | Seems Samba is uninstalled and I can't install that either: http://momjian.us/tmp/samba.out |
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| 14:52.28 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Did you try to upgrade squeeze to jessie? |
| 14:52.33 | bmomjian | no |
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| 14:52.44 | karlpinc | bmomjian: squeeze->wheezy? |
| 14:52.46 | bmomjian | it was just a new kernel and some updates |
| 14:52.47 | bmomjian | no |
| 14:52.59 | bmomjian | same commands I have run for years |
| 14:53.01 | bmomjian | just update |
| 14:53.23 | bmomjian | I am on 6.0.10 |
| 14:53.29 | bmomjian | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.10 (squeeze) |
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| 14:53.36 | bmomjian | very odd, yes |
| 14:53.45 | bmomjian | I can try rebooting again |
| 14:53.47 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Your log says that stuff was uninstalled. Check your sources.list. |
| 14:54.10 | bmomjian | what am I checking for? |
| 14:54.35 | karlpinc | bmomjian: That it still says "squeeze". That it's using a long-term support mirror. |
| 14:54.51 | bmomjian | they all say squeeze |
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| 14:55.14 | bmomjian | http://momjian.us/tmp/sources.list |
| 14:55.22 | karlpinc | !tell bmomjian about lts |
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| 14:55.45 | karlpinc | bmomjian: It looks like it should say "squeeze-lts". (And you won't get support in another month.) |
| 14:55.54 | bmomjian | right |
| 14:56.09 | bmomjian | this has not been modified in a long time |
| 14:56.23 | bmomjian | date on the sources file is Aug 15 04:29 |
| 14:56.54 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Maybe the mirror you're using has not been messed with. Once squeeze went out of support if you wanted to continue using it you needed to change the sources to "squeeze-lts". |
| 14:57.07 | bmomjian | oh |
| 14:57.08 | bmomjian | yikes |
| 14:57.27 | bmomjian | how do I fix this then? |
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| 14:58.03 | karlpinc | bmomjian: |
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| 14:58.34 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Change sources.list per the <lts> factoid. Then "aptitude update", "aptitude upgrade". |
| 14:58.35 | bmomjian | FYI, I am on a plane to FOSDEM in 8 hours |
| 14:58.57 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Then you'll need to re-install whatever your log says got removed. |
| 14:59.02 | bmomjian | yikes |
| 14:59.23 | karlpinc | bmomjian: The configs are still there, so it'll just start working again. |
| 15:00.05 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Or wait to see if if there's a problem and then re-install what you need. |
| 15:00.15 | karlpinc | to make it work again. |
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| 15:01.29 | bmomjian | Can someone help me properly modify my sources.list file? |
| 15:01.31 | karlpinc | bmomjian: This is all a suggestion. I don't have experience with lts support. I know that not _everything_ is supported under lts. But I'd sure expect the common stuff to be. |
| 15:01.35 | bmomjian | I am looking at those links |
| 15:01.44 | karlpinc | !lts |
| 15:01.44 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:01.53 | bmomjian | yes, i saw that |
| 15:02.02 | bmomjian | got it in a separate window |
| 15:02.15 | bmomjian | I see it now |
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| 15:02.57 | karlpinc | bmomjian: And I don't know why _not_ using "squeeze-lts" would break your stuff. (I don't know how the mirror you're using could have broken.) You might consider filing a bug report. |
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| 15:03.17 | bmomjian | uh, yeah |
| 15:03.38 | bmomjian | I was using squeeze-updates, now would use squeeze-lts |
| 15:04.25 | bmomjian | I had both the squeeze-lts and squeeze-updates in there |
| 15:04.26 | karlpinc | bmomjian: deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ |
| 15:04.29 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.30 | bmomjian | in thse sources file |
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| 15:06.59 | ziz15 | could someone tell if there is a way to use flashplugin with chromium and not pepperflash thanks |
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| 15:08.05 | nkuttler | ziz15: why do you ask? afaik pepperflash is the only up to date flash for chromium |
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| 15:08.49 | ziz15 | nkuttler: i know but i have a 32 bit system and google will end supporting it from march |
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| 15:09.28 | ziz15 | nkuttler: so instead of install 64 bit and like to use flashplugin until end of support 2017 |
| 15:10.15 | bmomjian | ok, modified sources.list, but no change, samba install fails, nothing new installed |
| 15:10.41 | bmomjian | should I try a reboot again? |
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| 15:12.00 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Did you do an "update" with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 15:12.51 | bmomjian | I did as you said, "aptitude update", "aptitude upgrade" |
| 15:13.43 | karlpinc | bmomjian: What's the error message? |
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| 15:14.38 | bmomjian | same samba error |
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| 15:14.56 | bmomjian | http://momjian.us/tmp/samba.out |
| 15:15.33 | karlpinc | bmomjian: I'll look at sources.list |
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| 15:16.01 | bmomjian | do you want to see the new one I have |
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| 15:16.38 | bmomjian | http://momjian.us/tmp/sources.list.current |
| 15:16.52 | bmomjian | You can see everything in http://momjian.us/tmp/ |
| 15:17.31 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Looks to me like you installed samba from backports. So you need to re-install it from backports. (I always use aptitude, I think it's "-t backports.debian.org" but that't might be way wrong.) |
| 15:18.36 | bmomjian | uh, I don't think I used backports for that; even a simple apt-get install samba fails, as you can see. Do I need to uninstall something then install samba? |
| 15:18.50 | bmomjian | maybe uninstall samba-common |
| 15:18.51 | bmomjian | ? |
| 15:19.09 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Yeah, but the message that says why it fails says that there's "bpo" packages installed, and that means they came from backports. |
| 15:19.19 | bmomjian | I had backports in the original sources file |
| 15:19.20 | bmomjian | oh |
| 15:19.31 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Yes, you could uninstall all the dependences and then re-install. |
| 15:19.47 | karlpinc | bmomjian: (Presumeably there's a reason why it's installed from backports.) |
| 15:20.08 | bmomjian | ok, let me try that then |
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| 15:20.40 | karlpinc | bmomjian: (Oh, it's you. Hi. Met you once at a PG conference in Chicago.) |
| 15:21.18 | bmomjian | cool |
| 15:21.21 | bmomjian | yeah, it's me |
| 15:21.36 | bmomjian | doing big PG stuff at FOSDEM this year |
| 15:22.12 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Cool. |
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| 15:22.48 | bmomjian | Uh, doing apt-get remove samba-common libwbclient0 removes a _ton_ of stuff |
| 15:23.00 | karlpinc | bmomjian: The only wonky thing about backports is I don't know how it interacts with squeeze lts support. Presumabely people have thought about that. |
| 15:23.17 | karlpinc | bmomjian: If it's all there because of samba it'll all come back when you re-install. |
| 15:23.41 | bmomjian | ok |
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| 15:24.18 | karlpinc | bmomjian: (apt is nice that way) I am not, by the by, a apt expert. It always seems to just work for me. Other people here know plenty more. |
| 15:24.42 | bmomjian | here is what it wants to remove: http://momjian.us/tmp/remove.list |
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| 15:25.20 | karlpinc | bmomjian: That looks crazy. |
| 15:25.26 | bmomjian | yes |
| 15:25.31 | bmomjian | I have not done it yet |
| 15:25.34 | bmomjian | something is wrong |
| 15:26.11 | karlpinc | bmomjian: What if you used aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 15:26.16 | bmomjian | let me try |
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| 15:26.58 | karlpinc | bmomjian: I may be that the dependency tracking for aptitude and apt-get were not really merged in squeeze. But it still sounds way wrong. |
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| 15:27.05 | karlpinc | s/I/It/ |
| 15:27.07 | bmomjian | I see this: http://momjian.us/tmp/remove2.list |
| 15:28.21 | bmomjian | I am using apt-get update and apt-get upgrade so that works should work fine; I am really not using aptitude. |
| 15:28.35 | bmomjian | I just tested it using all apt-get with update and upgrade and nothing changes |
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| 15:29.26 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Sheesh. Aptitude will continue to present you with alternate choices and maybe one would be better. Let me back up. What's the goal? We want to install the "stock" samba? |
| 15:29.52 | bmomjian | uh, I want to get things back to the way they were before this update of Squeeze LTS |
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| 15:30.10 | rvk_ | best channel for misc. debian packaging questions? |
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| 15:30.42 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Er, to really get it perfect restoring from backup might make sense. Just a thought. |
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| 15:31.07 | bmomjian | Look at http://momjian.us/tmp/ for the order of activity |
| 15:31.11 | bmomjian | I numbered the items |
| 15:31.25 | jelly | rvk_: depends on how misc. they are. If you're packaging for inclusion in Debian, #debian-mentors on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) |
| 15:31.31 | jelly | rvk_: otherwise, ask here |
| 15:31.34 | bmomjian | uh, that is going to be hard to do in the time I have, though I do have a backup from last night |
| 15:31.38 | karlpinc | bmomjian: I don't know why it broke, which makes it hard for me to give pleasing answers. |
| 15:31.40 | bmomjian | I could check for what files changed, I guess |
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| 15:31.59 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Rsync is often good in these cases. |
| 15:32.05 | bmomjian | oh, hmm |
| 15:32.24 | phre4k | hi, I followed this tutorial http://www.puccinellidigital.com/musings/notes/zoneminder-nginx but netstat doesn't show xinetd listening on :4085. why? |
| 15:32.27 | rvk_ | Wondering what the best practice is when installing files that require special permissions using debhelper. Ie. (1) postinst chown/chmod (2) some sort of dh_fixperms override |
| 15:32.30 | bmomjian | but will I end up in the same place later? |
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| 15:32.35 | karlpinc | jelly: Could you look at bmomjian's problem? He is on squeeze and did a "apt-get update" and stuff like X and samba disappeared. |
| 15:32.41 | phre4k | (xinetd is running, but apparently not listening) |
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| 15:33.27 | karlpinc | bmomjian: There's nothing wonky in the syslog or dmesg or anything that would indicate a hardware problem? |
| 15:34.07 | bmomjian | I am seeing gdm3 errors |
| 15:34.11 | bmomjian | but the hardware seems fine |
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| 15:34.27 | bmomjian | just booted fine |
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| 15:34.58 | bmomjian | let me try a reboot now, yes? |
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| 15:35.19 | karlpinc | bmomjian: You could, although I don't see where that would help. I'm thinking look at the apt logs in /var/apt/ |
| 15:35.51 | karlpinc | bmomjian: If nothing else that should give a list of what changed. |
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| 15:35.59 | bmomjian | it does |
| 15:36.03 | bmomjian | oh, for restore? |
| 15:36.05 | jelly | bmomjian: you seem to have parts of samba from squeeze-backports and parts from squeeze-lts mixed |
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| 15:36.21 | bmomjian | I don't see file names |
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| 15:36.43 | bmomjian | not sure how that happened as I don't use samba much, but I do need it. |
| 15:37.10 | karlpinc | jelly: I had him change is sources-list from "squeeze" to "squeeze-lts". (I didn't look at the before and after sources.list files.) |
| 15:37.16 | bmomjian | why did X disappear also? |
| 15:37.33 | bmomjian | both version are in http://momjian.us/tmp/ |
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| 15:37.54 | jelly | karlpinc: -lts is not a complete repo, it has to be used in tandem with a normal squeeze mirror |
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| 15:38.09 | karlpinc | jelly: That explains it. (!) |
| 15:38.12 | bmomjian | that aborted remove attempt shows a problem: http://momjian.us/tmp/04-remove.list |
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| 15:38.17 | jelly | !lts |
| 15:38.17 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:38.20 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Ok. So I broke your sources.list. |
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| 15:38.33 | bmomjian | ok, so let me put it back. :-) |
| 15:38.40 | jelly | ok, so that's not explicitely mentioned in the factoid |
| 15:38.56 | karlpinc | jelly: Yeah. That's the facotid I sent him to, but I didn't know that -lts was an addition. |
| 15:39.03 | jelly | !blame karlpinc |
| 15:39.04 | dpkg | blames Sigyn and karlpinc for all the evil in the world |
| 15:39.15 | bmomjian | oh, samba can install now, I think |
| 15:39.29 | bmomjian | I am not getting the error any longer when using the original sources.list files |
| 15:39.32 | bmomjian | should I install it? |
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| 15:39.44 | karlpinc | jelly: Still. X went away by itself, along with samba, when he did a "apt-get upgrade". That's what brought him here. |
| 15:40.03 | bmomjian | right, that was long before sources.list was modified |
| 15:40.07 | jelly | karlpinc: our definitions of "went away" may vary |
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| 15:40.24 | karlpinc | jelly: /usr/bin/X was gone. |
| 15:40.41 | bmomjian | see what the update removed: http://momjian.us/tmp/01-update.txt |
| 15:40.43 | karlpinc | jelly: He's got output from that original "apt-get update". |
| 15:40.52 | karlpinc | jelly: Yeah. that. |
| 15:41.07 | jelly | karlpinc: and yet I don't see a removal of xserver-xorg-core in their outputs |
| 15:41.28 | bmomjian | xserver-xorg-core |
| 15:41.29 | bmomjian | I see it |
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| 15:41.45 | bmomjian | 7th to last line in the upgrade output |
| 15:41.50 | bmomjian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.06 | bmomjian | title say, The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
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| 15:42.28 | jelly | bmomjian: but that did not remove it. |
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| 15:42.45 | jelly | bmomjian: it merely said "I think this is unused and CAN be removed" |
| 15:42.48 | karlpinc | jelly: At the bottom: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 15:42.51 | bmomjian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.59 | bmomjian | so that was me |
| 15:43.06 | jelly | well then. |
| 15:43.10 | bmomjian | I figured this was some major upgrade before the end of lts |
| 15:43.24 | jelly | no, it was apt being dumb and you trusting it |
| 15:43.35 | bmomjian | I can easily reinstall them all, yes? |
| 15:43.38 | jelly | yes |
| 15:43.41 | bmomjian | do it now? |
| 15:44.38 | karlpinc | (Makes sense to me.) |
| 15:44.51 | bmomjian | and samba too? |
| 15:45.02 | jelly | bmomjian: yeah. Do you want gnome? Do you need nvidia drivers? |
| 15:45.07 | bmomjian | yes |
| 15:45.11 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Everything that stuff at the bottom says got removed. |
| 15:45.22 | bmomjian | ok, doing it now then |
| 15:47.44 | jelly | bmomjian: right, something like "apt-get install gnome gnome-desktop-environment" |
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| 15:48.05 | bmomjian | samba installed fine |
| 15:48.15 | bmomjian | but http://momjian.us/tmp/06-fix1.out shows problems for the full list |
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| 15:48.49 | karlpinc | bmomjian: (FYI. As of pg 9.1 anyway, you really can't do everything with libpq that you can with psql in terms of feeding a collection of sql statements to the backend, because psql parses. I'd really like to see this fixed but have put it off for years. But now is not the time to talk about it, although I do want to put a bug in your ear for "someday".) |
| 15:49.11 | bmomjian | ok, sure |
| 15:49.13 | jelly | and nvidia-glx probably, not sure what's the right metapackage for packaged modules |
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| 15:49.46 | jelly | bmomjian: there's no need to explicitely install all the removed stuff, just the few important metapackages. |
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| 15:50.06 | bmomjian | ok, what are those? |
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| 15:50.29 | jelly | gnome gnome-desktop-environment nvidia-glx maybe |
| 15:50.49 | bmomjian | ok, just do those? |
| 15:50.56 | jelly | yes. However. |
| 15:51.09 | jelly | bmomjian: your sources for squeeze look incomplete. |
| 15:51.12 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 15:51.13 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 15:51.16 | bmomjian | fyi, samba installed fine. :-) |
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| 15:51.43 | bmomjian | uh, really, the current one? |
| 15:51.46 | bmomjian | sorry |
| 15:51.49 | bmomjian | hold |
| 15:51.55 | karlpinc | jelly: Do you mean that nvidia is in non-free? |
| 15:51.57 | bmomjian | we put the 'old' one back into active |
| 15:51.58 | bmomjian | hold |
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| 15:52.22 | bmomjian | please do a reload; sources.list is my current sources |
| 15:52.29 | bmomjian | as of now |
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| 15:53.15 | bmomjian | that has not changed since August, except for a brief change here during testing, which has now been reverted |
| 15:53.19 | jelly | karlpinc: yes |
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| 15:53.40 | bmomjian | we never actually did anything with that sources file during testing, just tried the upgrade and aborted it |
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| 15:55.56 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Your sources.list looks right to me (although as I say I'm not expert.) Now you've got non-free, so you should be able to pickup the nvidia stuff. |
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| 15:56.58 | bmomjian | ok, so install just gnome gnome-desktop-environment nvidia-glx ? |
| 15:57.08 | karlpinc | I'd say so. |
| 15:57.11 | bmomjian | ok |
| 15:57.43 | bmomjian | ok, that worked |
| 15:57.45 | bmomjian | reboot now? |
| 15:57.56 | bmomjian | and see if X starts up? |
| 15:57.59 | jelly | bmomjian: you might want to clean up a bit. There's two main mirrors (http.us.d.o and http.d.n) and currently-obsolete squeeze-updates |
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| 15:58.20 | bmomjian | ok, remove squeeze-updates from sources.list? |
| 15:58.24 | jelly | (and squeeze-backports will not get any updates, either) |
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| 15:58.28 | jelly | yes |
| 15:58.40 | karlpinc | bmomjian: (Rebooting _is_ easier than restarting all the services.) |
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| 15:59.01 | bmomjian | emoved |
| 15:59.05 | bmomjian | ok, rebooting, brb |
| 15:59.12 | bmomjian | thanks, until I return |
| 15:59.12 | jelly | in short, squeeze is not a good choice for a workstation :-) |
| 15:59.24 | bmomjian | if I don't, well, that is a bad. lol |
| 15:59.29 | bmomjian | this is for a server |
| 15:59.36 | bmomjian | momjian.us is that server |
| 15:59.44 | jelly | why would a server have gnome and X and nvidia? |
| 15:59.47 | bmomjian | uh |
| 15:59.57 | bmomjian | well, it is in an office that is sometimes used for stuff |
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| 16:00.12 | jelly | so it's not just a server. Sometimes it's a workstation |
| 16:00.37 | bmomjian | kind of |
| 16:01.41 | karlpinc | has existential systemd angst just thinking about the wheezy->jessie upgrade in his future. |
| 16:04.55 | bmomjian | ok, back. :-) |
| 16:04.56 | jelly | eh, you can easily postpone the systemd switch |
| 16:05.08 | bmomjian | so, X started |
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| 16:05.25 | bmomjian | samba too |
| 16:05.46 | bmomjian | so what else might need fixing? Any ideas? Glad I had all the output in files! |
| 16:05.51 | jelly | bmomjian: verify a normal user can log in before leaving, too |
| 16:06.13 | jelly | (with their gnome session, at the console, I mean) |
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| 16:06.55 | bmomjian | ok, logout/in worked |
| 16:06.59 | bmomjian | in Gnome |
| 16:07.03 | bmomjian | showed a nice list of users |
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| 16:07.52 | bmomjian | samba config file was retained |
| 16:08.00 | bmomjian | and all the Gnome configs look like they are there too |
| 16:08.40 | jelly | is there anything left to upgrade in "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" output? |
| 16:08.54 | karlpinc | bmomjian: All your configs should be there. I suppose there's the apt log. You could output what's installed now and check it against what was uninstalled to be sure you've got everything back. |
| 16:08.57 | jelly | (-s is the do-nothing parameter) |
| 16:09.11 | bmomjian | oh, interesting idea |
| 16:09.41 | bmomjian | any idea how I do that |
| 16:09.51 | bmomjian | I am looking in /var/log/apt, right? |
| 16:10.00 | bmomjian | it is a good idea |
| 16:10.11 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Yes. There should be a log of what's removed. |
| 16:10.26 | bmomjian | is there no list of what was there yesterday? |
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| 16:11.00 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Dunno. |
| 16:11.39 | karlpinc | bmomjian: aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' is what's there today. (according to the <aptitude clone> factoid.) |
| 16:11.53 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 16:11.59 | galex-713 | I’m trying to install sobby package |
| 16:12.03 | galex-713 | I’m using Testing |
| 16:12.04 | galex-713 | https://paste.debian.net/369205/ |
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| 16:12.41 | karlpinc | bmomjian: After that some messing around with sort and join using your list of removed packages should solve the problem. (The operative word with join always seems to be "messy".) |
| 16:12.49 | bmomjian | nice |
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| 16:13.16 | jelly | bmomjian: there are backups of dpkg main status file in /var/backups/, you can parse those to see what was there yesterday |
| 16:13.26 | karlpinc | galex-713: (You can always try for help with testing at #debian-next on irc.debian.org.) |
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| 16:13.51 | bmomjian | oh |
| 16:13.52 | bumbar_ | i'm trying to set up ssh to login with key as well as password, but am getting Permission denied (publickey) on the client. i've created a key on the client with ssh-keygen -t rsa, set permissions to 600, uploaded the *.pub file to server, added AuthenticationMethods publickey,password on server to sshd_config |
| 16:14.02 | jelly | explaining how to do that is left as an exercise for the reader |
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| 16:14.36 | nkuttler | bumbar_: ssh -vvv and man 5 sshd_config, see for verbosity |
| 16:14.52 | nkuttler | bumbar_: check also your auth.log |
| 16:15.01 | karlpinc | bmomjian: cut with -d and -f if you need shell parsing hints. |
| 16:15.02 | jelly | bumbar_: you don't have to mess with default AuthenticationMethods to achieve that, but remember the user named "root" is special |
| 16:15.20 | bumbar_ | nkuttler, auth.log: sshd[20654]: Connection closed by <ip> [preauth] |
| 16:15.21 | nkuttler | eh, as root? |
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| 16:15.38 | bumbar_ | i'm not logging in as root, i have disabled root login |
| 16:16.01 | jelly | bumbar_: which debian release is this? |
| 16:16.02 | bumbar_ | but username on server and local machine are different (as well as hostnames), could that be the issue? |
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| 16:16.30 | nkuttler | bumbar_: um.. you use -l or user@, right? |
| 16:16.37 | jelly | bumbar_: not really, as long as you're telling your ssh client to use the correct remote username |
| 16:16.42 | karlpinc | bumbar_: Yes, you need to indicate username as well as key (-i) so the server has the right credentials. |
| 16:16.55 | karlpinc | bumbar_: What jelly said. |
| 16:17.00 | jelly | no need to -i if it's in the default place |
| 16:17.15 | bumbar_ | i've told ssh which user and identify file to use in .ssh/config |
| 16:17.26 | karlpinc | bumbar_: You did update the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the remote side with the public key, right? |
| 16:17.47 | bumbar_ | karlpinc, yes |
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| 16:18.01 | jelly | bumbar_: which debian release (or which OS and ssh client) are you using on client, and server? |
| 16:18.27 | bmomjian | Which files am I looking at in /var/backups? |
| 16:18.33 | bmomjian | dpkg.status.0? |
| 16:18.35 | jelly | bmomjian: dpkg.status.* |
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| 16:19.07 | bumbar_ | jelly, server is debian 8.2 (though currently is says release: unstable, codename: sid) with sshd OpenSSH_7.1p2 Debian-2, OpenSSL 1.0.2e 3 Dec 2015, client is ubuntu 16.04 with ssh OpenSSH_7.1p2 Ubuntu-2, OpenSSL 1.0.2e 3 Dec 2015 |
| 16:19.10 | TheWarden | Hello, as some of you may recall I was having issues yesterday after running a system update to get the system to boot up again. I've now resolved this but I have some questions to understand mdadm better. |
| 16:19.16 | jelly | bmomjian: dealing with those is probably more work than it's worth |
| 16:19.28 | jelly | ,v openssh-server |
| 16:19.29 | judd | Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security-lts: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze8; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u3; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:7.1p2-2; sid: 1:7.1p2-2 |
| 16:19.32 | TheWarden | I had to change my /etc/mdadm.conf file UUIDs to reflect what update-initframfs reported. |
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| 16:19.45 | jelly | bumbar_: your remote machine is not debian 8 |
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| 16:20.11 | TheWarden | Now saying that, I'm confused some what. I run blkid and I see the UUIDs however the UUIDs listed are not the same as the ones reported by update-initramfs. Should they not be the same?? |
| 16:20.14 | jelly | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 16:20.15 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u19; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u19; jessie: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; sid: 1.0.2d-1 |
| 16:20.22 | elfeck | hi, I want to install this package http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/VIFIBnexedi/Debian_7.0/ on my wheezy but I don't know how to go about it. Can someone help? |
| 16:20.28 | bumbar_ | jelly, it was, but i was reinstalling some packages today, no idea how i ended on unstable |
| 16:20.29 | bmomjian | I generated the pkg change list: http://momjian.us/tmp/pkg-changes.log |
| 16:20.38 | TheWarden | As well how do I get the UUIDs then for mdadm of md* devices? |
| 16:20.45 | bmomjian | all xserver-xorg files |
| 16:20.50 | jelly | bumbar_: what does "lsb_release -a" say on the server system? |
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| 16:21.20 | karlpinc | TheWarden: You might need to distinguish between different uuids. The partitions have one, the filesystems another. (I forget what you see with blkid) |
| 16:21.23 | bumbar_ | jelly, https://dpaste.de/2WOA |
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| 16:21.42 | bmomjian | is that expected/ok? |
| 16:21.48 | karlpinc | TheWarden: The raid will have yet another. |
| 16:22.03 | TheWarden | karlpinc: okay, then so how does one get the UUIDs for RAID then? |
| 16:22.09 | jelly | bumbar_: ouch |
| 16:22.14 | Mynick | Hi all, help, I'm upgrading from 7 to 8, I have an error with texlive-base-bin-doc http://pastebin.com/nD44h1qg |
| 16:22.14 | bmomjian | actually, they are all _new_, not old, so I guess I am perfect |
| 16:22.28 | bmomjian | xorg-docs-core is the only missing one |
| 16:22.36 | bmomjian | should I install that? |
| 16:22.37 | jelly | bumbar_: you have bigger problems than ssh with password, there :-) |
| 16:22.54 | bumbar_ | jelly, how so? :/ |
| 16:23.14 | bumbar_ | jelly, also, logging in with password works, but i'd like both key and password |
| 16:23.24 | karlpinc | bmomjian: I'm way too used to diff -u. Which are the old and new? |
| 16:23.26 | jelly | bumbar_: mixing unstable and stable can generate lots of wildly different issues (don't do it) |
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| 16:23.30 | bmomjian | thanks so much, the pkg list shows things are good |
| 16:23.31 | bmomjian | sorry |
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| 16:23.49 | jelly | bmomjian: eh, do you really care about xorg docs! |
| 16:23.57 | bmomjian | updated with diff -u: http://momjian.us/tmp/pkg-changes.log |
| 16:24.12 | karlpinc | bmomjian: And you don't care about drivers or devices for hardware you don't have. |
| 16:24.12 | bmomjian | that is with the docs installed |
| 16:24.26 | TheWarden | karlpinc: oh sorry its okay I just found it using mdadm --detail /dev/md0 for example. |
| 16:24.28 | bmomjian | true |
| 16:24.32 | bumbar_ | jelly, but some packages i need are only available in unstable/testing, and i read somewhere that it's generally ok to get them |
| 16:24.39 | bmomjian | now that I look, those are actually _added_ from yesterday. :-) |
| 16:24.45 | jelly | bumbar_: no, generally it makes a huge mess. |
| 16:24.55 | bmomjian | so I think I am good again, thanks so much |
| 16:24.58 | markybob | bumbar_, no. that's when you do backports. not installing straight from unstable |
| 16:25.07 | bmomjian | I wouldn't have been able to do it without the help I got here. |
| 16:25.25 | jelly | bumbar_: managing to install openssh and openssl from unstable, instead of keeping the security-supported versions from stable, is an example of such a mess |
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| 16:25.41 | karlpinc | !next |
| 16:25.41 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:25.49 | bmomjian | thanks |
| 16:26.24 | elfeck | hi, I want to install this package http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/VIFIBnexedi/Debian_7.0/ on my wheezy but I don't know how to go about it. Can someone help? |
| 16:26.33 | jelly | bumbar_: at this point I'd look at reinstalling stable if this system has to be used for important purposes |
| 16:27.14 | McErroneous | me is frog-alike* , just feeding on flies.., no work beeing done... |
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| 16:27.41 | markybob | bumbar_, and next time you want a package from unstable, ask us how to use backports safely |
| 16:27.50 | jelly | bumbar_: if it's just a testing or devel or playgrounds machine, read /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 16:28.19 | bumbar_ | it's to be used for prod, and it's pretty much all set up :/ |
| 16:28.27 | jelly | redo it :-) |
| 16:28.37 | karlpinc | elfeck: You might consider looking at this: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware#fnref-59b1a6a24cc7f124d6c7b11f4930cbca3df1145f |
| 16:28.45 | markybob | bumbar_, i agree. you should not have a half system like that for production |
| 16:28.53 | jelly | bumbar_: or restore from last known backup befure you installed anything from unstable |
| 16:29.45 | jelly | otherwise you're going to have other issues with it, not just unusual sshd behaviour |
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| 16:30.28 | elfeck | karlpinc: thanks, but there is no "official" respository for it and I am willing to trust it |
| 16:30.54 | elfeck | karlpinc: I tried adding this URL with apt-add-respository but I get 404 errors when doing apt-get update |
| 16:33.03 | bumbar_ | jelly, is there a way to "export" some of the things i've made? like setting up users and permissions |
| 16:33.03 | jelly | elfeck: download their Release.key. Make apt trust that key using "apt-key add ...". Then add something like "deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/VIFIBnexedi/Debian_7.0/ ./" to your sources.list (or as a separate /etc/apt/sources.list.d/slapos.list file, for example), run apt-get update, then see if "apt-cache search packagename" sees their packages |
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| 16:33.55 | jelly | bumbar_: um... if you didn't document the changes, maybe you have your shell's history file to help you. |
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| 16:34.36 | bumbar_ | i have most of it documented, but it's just tedious to type them (again) |
| 16:34.51 | jelly | such is the price of learning |
| 16:35.32 | jelly | I guess you could make a similar system, then compare the ownerships and permissions |
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| 16:36.08 | jelly | I don't know of a ready-made tool for that, but it sounds like something someone may have written |
| 16:36.27 | jelly | would probably abuse rsync -n |
| 16:36.32 | bmomjian | Oops, samba is still messed up; |
| 16:36.36 | karlpinc | elfeck: You are probably better off rebuilding the source package and re-creating the binary .deb files using something like what the <ssb> factoid recommends. |
| 16:36.39 | bmomjian | I tried to install smbclient, as that was missing |
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| 16:36.54 | elfeck | jelly: Thanks, but I still get "Failed to fetch URL 404 Not found: [IP: xxx]". Any idea? |
| 16:37.07 | bumbar_ | jelly, oh well... have had worse thing happen... :P |
| 16:37.07 | elfeck | jelly: when doing apt-get update |
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| 16:37.19 | jelly | karlpinc: if they trust deb-src from the exact same vendor, I don't see how that's any better than trusting deb binaries. |
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| 16:38.11 | karlpinc | jelly: I was just thinking that at least the linking would be more likely to work if the binaries were built locally. |
| 16:38.16 | bmomjian | here is the failure: http://momjian.us/tmp/10-samba.log |
| 16:38.34 | luist | hey guys, can anyone help me download this repository to use it locally? http://le.c3sl.ufpr.br/le5/ |
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| 16:39.20 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Looks like the last error we got when installing samba, right? |
| 16:39.25 | bmomjian | yes |
| 16:39.28 | bmomjian | so how did we fix it? |
| 16:39.47 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Install samba from backports? |
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| 16:39.59 | karlpinc | bmomjian: But I think we removed backports. |
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| 16:40.10 | jelly | elfeck: pastebin the complete output, and your sources.list, too |
| 16:40.32 | karlpinc | bmomjian: So, uninstall the dependences and re-install them to get a stock samba. (Because backports no longer supports squeeze, right?) |
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| 16:40.37 | MeatHammer | how do I generate the hash of a file? |
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| 16:41.04 | bmomjian | uh, that uninstalls the ton of stuff |
| 16:41.07 | jelly | MeatHammer: can you provide more context? What kind of hash? Which tool complains? |
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| 16:41.14 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:41.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:41.18 | jelly | MeatHammer: ^^ |
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| 16:41.31 | MeatHammer | jelly: i just wanna see if two files of the same size are the same...? |
| 16:41.51 | jelly | MeatHammer: ah. Run sha256sum or sha1sum or md5um on both |
| 16:41.58 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Stuff that looks like it might be related to samba? If so that's be ok. It'll re-install from the stock squeeze repos. |
| 16:42.02 | MeatHammer | jelly ty |
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| 16:42.53 | bmomjian | that lts-only list? |
| 16:43.06 | karlpinc | bmomjian: ? |
| 16:43.29 | bmomjian | yes |
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| 16:43.41 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Maybe show the list of stuff that's removed? |
| 16:43.48 | elfeck | jelly: http://pastebin.com/fE67aUPg |
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| 16:44.20 | bmomjian | yes: http://momjian.us/tmp/11-remove3.list |
| 16:44.31 | jelly | elfeck: deb-src ? |
| 16:44.46 | elfeck | I also tried "deb" with the same error |
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| 16:44.59 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Jelly did not say that squeeze-backports does not work, only that it won't get new stuff. |
| 16:45.17 | jelly | elfeck: there's an extra "Packages" word that shouldn't be in there |
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| 16:45.47 | karlpinc | bmomjian: So if you put squeeze-backports back in sources.list and then install samba from backports you should have what you had before. (I hope. I don't know how backports works with lts.) |
| 16:46.04 | jelly | looks at the log to see if he told elfeck the wrong thing |
| 16:46.07 | bmomjian | This is my source list: http://momjian.us/tmp/sources.list |
| 16:46.09 | elfeck | jelly: that did the trick. No errors now |
| 16:46.37 | elfeck | jelly: thanks a lot! |
| 16:47.02 | jelly | nope, "deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/VIFIBnexedi/Debian_7.0/ ./" |
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| 16:47.11 | jelly | is not that crazy yet |
| 16:47.25 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Drat. That list of stuff to remove is wrong. I think your sources.list can't reflect what is on your box.... Let me look. |
| 16:48.27 | karlpinc | bmomjian: You've done a "apt-get update" to make the source.list "work"? |
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| 16:48.55 | bmomjian | did now, yes, no change |
| 16:50.14 | karlpinc | jelly: Er, can you help again with bmomjian's samba problem? |
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| 16:50.45 | jelly | busy atm |
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| 16:51.06 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Just what are you trying to do with samba? According to our comparision, you didn't have samba installed yesterday. Right? |
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| 16:51.37 | bmomjian | I did |
| 16:51.58 | jelly | karlpinc, bmomjian: without looking at the details, stupid thing to do: remove _all_ the samba packages, including -common, and reinstall. Backup configs before. |
| 16:52.40 | karlpinc | bmomjian: But the samba package does not show up here: http://momjian.us/tmp/pkg-changes.log |
| 16:52.52 | bmomjian | my comparison was wrong |
| 16:52.59 | bmomjian | I was doing it from _after_ the upgrade last night |
| 16:53.02 | bmomjian | I re-ran it |
| 16:53.07 | bmomjian | it was there |
| 16:53.08 | bmomjian | sorry |
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| 16:53.24 | karlpinc | bmomjian: So it's a samba server? |
| 16:53.29 | bmomjian | yes |
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| 16:55.37 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Ok.... It's not as crazy as it looks. |
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| 16:56.51 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Here's the story: All that stuff that's "no longer needed", it won't remove by itself. It will remove the short list at the bottom, because those depend on the lib being removed. |
| 16:57.24 | bmomjian | ok, but how do I re-specify they are needed? |
| 16:57.32 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Theory says that you can just re-install what gets removed -- and it should "just work". |
| 16:57.40 | bmomjian | oh |
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| 16:58.02 | bmomjian | we tried that before and it didn't work as the names no longer matched; we had to add just the meta-packages |
| 16:58.07 | bmomjian | but I don't know how to do that |
| 16:58.26 | bmomjian | you gave me the meta-packages |
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| 16:58.35 | bmomjian | but again, this is a more complex list |
| 16:59.10 | karlpinc | bmomjian: I bet that gnome-desktop-environment is a meta-package for much of what is listed as being removed. |
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| 17:00.00 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Let me look... |
| 17:00.09 | cra1g321 | "transitional package" https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:00.12 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Why not install samba from backports? |
| 17:00.40 | bmomjian | ok, how do I do that? |
| 17:00.44 | karlpinc | bmomjian: (Sorry, I'm tired today and my brain is leaking.) |
| 17:01.02 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Let me look. |
| 17:01.53 | karlpinc | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install samba |
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| 17:02.11 | bmomjian | odd that the reinstall does work |
| 17:02.17 | bmomjian | so maybe that is the way to go |
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| 17:02.25 | bmomjian | I did a test of installing that list and there were no errors |
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| 17:02.42 | bmomjian | so what do I do? |
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| 17:03.02 | karlpinc | bmomjian: I'm not sure what you mean by "the reinstall". |
| 17:03.31 | bmomjian | you said do the remove of libwbclient0, install samba, then remove that list and reinstall those? |
| 17:03.36 | bmomjian | the long list? |
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| 17:04.02 | karlpinc | bmomjian: You must have had the backported samba installed yesterday. I'd just try installing that. |
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| 17:04.38 | bmomjian | I tried and got the error shown |
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| 17:04.49 | bmomjian | http://momjian.us/tmp/10-samba.log |
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| 17:05.21 | bmomjian | when I try to uninstall libwbclient0, I get http://momjian.us/tmp/11-remove3.list |
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| 17:05.36 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Oh! Brain freeze.... |
| 17:06.03 | karlpinc | bmomjian: It's complaining now because it wants to install a backported libwbclient0. |
| 17:06.24 | karlpinc | bmomjian: So maybe we can make the problem go away by _removing_ the backports from your sources.list. |
| 17:06.38 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Then it won't try to add something from backports. |
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| 17:07.08 | bmomjian | ok, hold |
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| 17:07.50 | bmomjian | same error trying to install samba |
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| 17:08.39 | damasceno | Hello guys! I have a file with two columns, the first one looks like this: smtp-100-1. This first column is a mess I need to organize it in a sequential way, so the first line should be smtp-100-1, the second smtp-100-2 and so on. Does anyone know how to do this with awk or sed? Thanks. |
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| 17:08.55 | karlpinc | bmomjian: "aptitude show libwbclient0" says you've now got a "bpo" version installed? |
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| 17:09.29 | karlpinc | damasceno: You'd probably use "sort". |
| 17:09.40 | bmomjian | output is: http://momjian.us/tmp/12-samba.out |
| 17:10.12 | jelly | damasceno: pastebin a couple lines of input and couple lines of matching desired output |
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| 17:10.56 | jelly | damasceno: maybe you just want to replace spaces or tabs with newlines, but let's see |
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| 17:12.09 | bmomjian | http://momjian.us/tmp/01-update.txt mentions winbind install |
| 17:12.15 | bmomjian | but I don't understand it |
| 17:13.49 | damasceno | Sorry, let me explain it. karlpinc jelly take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/64ja6Qku This is what I have now, I need to replace the first column in a sequential way, from 1 to... the last line. As you can see it starts in smtp-100-64 and it should be smtp-100-1. |
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| 17:15.23 | jelly | damasceno: holy mother of master.cf, Batman |
| 17:15.29 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Looking at 01-update.text I don't see how samba got removed. but I don't think the winbind issue is the current problem. It could show up once samba is installed, but I don't think it will. |
| 17:15.37 | bmomjian | ok |
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| 17:15.52 | bmomjian | I removed samba to try to install smbclient, which was also missing |
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| 17:16.42 | bmomjian | I think that was a mistake, but I thought everything was good now; I was wrong. |
| 17:16.47 | karlpinc | bmomjian: But using -t to get the backported version of samba installed gets you exactly the same error as the un-backported version, right? |
| 17:17.13 | bmomjian | I don't know how to use -t |
| 17:17.17 | damasceno | jelly: it's a specific configuration, we have several lines. Unfortunately I had to remove a few so now I need to organize the file. The first column should start from 1 until... get it? |
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| 17:17.35 | karlpinc | bmomjian: "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install samba" |
| 17:17.56 | bmomjian | yeah! |
| 17:17.56 | cra1g321 | squeeze o.0 |
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| 17:18.03 | bmomjian | worked thanks |
| 17:18.07 | bmomjian | I will not play again! |
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| 17:18.39 | bmomjian | I am good again! Thanks so much |
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| 17:18.51 | jelly | damasceno: okeydokey. I'm however going to look up your domain to see if you're a legit ESP before helping. |
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| 17:18.53 | bmomjian | I am sure my upgrade away from Squeeze in February will fix all of this |
| 17:18.55 | bmomjian | thanks much!!! |
| 17:19.01 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Yay! (And It's not just my fuzzyness. I asked you to try this above. Good. I'm comperable with my peers. ;-) |
| 17:19.48 | alive876 | hi, im not an admin, just researching ways to limit resource usage per user. is it possible to create a seperate cgroup for each user? |
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| 17:20.45 | damasceno | jelly: of course I changed the IP/domain. If you want to know the real one pvt me. |
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| 17:22.58 | bmomjian | I thought trying backports was just making sure backports was in my sources.list, not on the command line |
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| 17:23.39 | bmomjian | I didn't know it would not auto-find the backports on a failure |
| 17:23.50 | cluelessperson | hello. I just installed debian for the second time, and again, I only get the grub console. |
| 17:23.56 | cluelessperson | can someone help me get this to boot? |
| 17:24.19 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Thing about backports is that you have to specifically request stuff from there. It would not be a good idea to blindly use everything in backports. |
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| 17:25.06 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: After the grub menu, what happens? |
| 17:25.31 | bmomjian | thanks much! |
| 17:25.43 | bmomjian | I do love IRC for these cases, and email for more general ones |
| 17:25.49 | karlpinc | bmomjian: You're welcome. |
| 17:25.54 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Yah. Latency. |
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| 17:26.00 | cluelessperson | karlpinc, there is no grub menu, I get a grub console. |
| 17:26.02 | cluelessperson | > |
| 17:26.09 | bmomjian | and frankly, having a directory to show all the files in order is helpful; pastebin is nice but not as good. |
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| 17:26.26 | bmomjian | rebooting for a final test now |
| 17:26.30 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Yes. I was impressed. |
| 17:26.39 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: I see. |
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| 17:27.02 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: That's sort of a good sign, in a way. |
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| 17:27.32 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: The thing grub needs is to be able to find your /boot. It's not encrypted or anything is it? |
| 17:27.45 | cluelessperson | karlpinc, It is encrypted. |
| 17:27.57 | cluelessperson | karlpinc, as it should be. |
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| 17:28.20 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: If you encrypt /boot how do you expect grub to be able to read it's configuration? |
| 17:28.53 | cluelessperson | karlpinc, I didn't, I chose the encrypted fs option in debian |
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| 17:29.21 | cluelessperson | karlpinc, Ubuntu and linux mint boot into passphrase entry mechanisms, why would debian be different? |
| 17:29.21 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: That is supposed to leave an unencrypted /boot, and encrypt evrything else. I think. (It's been a while.) |
| 17:29.50 | cluelessperson | karlpinc, well , "ls" shows multiple drives/partitions |
| 17:29.51 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: Grub loads a kernel and an initial ram filesystem, which then unencrypts / and everything else. |
| 17:29.59 | cluelessperson | yes, sounds right |
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| 17:30.50 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: So the kernel and initramfs are unencrypted. So we need ta ask grub what partitiosn it knows about and tell it to look for a config on one of the partitions. |
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| 17:31.16 | bmomjian | back up; all looks good! |
| 17:31.18 | bmomjian | thanks |
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| 17:31.23 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: Somehow the naming or uuids of the partitions are changed from the installer. |
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| 17:33.17 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: Any raid? |
| 17:33.24 | cluelessperson | karlpinc, no |
| 17:33.36 | cluelessperson | karlpinc, just installing on a laptop from netinst |
| 17:33.46 | cluelessperson | it did this before so I reinstalled |
| 17:33.49 | bmomjian | karlpinc: Thanks, couldn't have done it without you. Email me on your libpq issue if you wish. |
| 17:33.51 | cluelessperson | I'll just install linux mint |
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| 17:34.26 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Thanks. |
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| 17:36.19 | bmomjian | We confirmed that squeeze-updates should not be in my sources.list, right? |
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| 17:38.59 | bmomjian | never mind, confirmed by jelly in an earlier message |
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| 17:39.06 | bmomjian | so that is a change from what I had before |
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| 17:44.18 | MeatHammer | im trying to clone an OpenVPN entry. export and import arent working or dont do anything, likely because its a duplicate entry. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:44.33 | MeatHammer | using nm-manager applet |
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| 17:47.26 | johnkeates | MeatHammer: you are doing this wrong; using nm-manager applet |
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| 17:48.41 | johnkeates | ugh, debian-installer currently has incompatible ext4 module for the kernel it's using? :/ |
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| 17:52.24 | Jonnyw2k | anyone know how to reinstall my EFI thingy |
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| 17:58.18 | johnkeates | anyone know why i'm getting "ext4: Unknown symbol __getblk_gfp" but modinfo and kernel have matching kernel version.. ? |
| 17:58.27 | johnkeates | (in debian installer, that is) |
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| 18:10.25 | Mitzelflick | kernel 4 yet? |
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| 18:10.41 | greycat | It's available in jessie-backports if you want it. |
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| 18:13.13 | blind | I just found out earlier that fglrx does not work with 4.3 :( |
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| 18:14.16 | blind | oh wait, there is one in backports that says it should work up to 4.3.. hm why didn't that download.. |
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| 18:16.06 | ze- | Hello. I installed a host with debootstrap, and it installed perl-base_5.20.2-3+deb8u3. Ater booting and reseting my repositories, I can't find that package anymore. security.debian.org only shows perl-base_5.20.2-3+deb8u2 (u2, and not u3). Any idea why, and where I could find the u3? |
| 18:16.19 | McErroneous | I have a OS installed which uses Kernel 2.2.18... |
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| 18:16.51 | McErroneous | it is using KDE 2.. |
| 18:16.59 | McErroneous | looks decent to me.. |
| 18:17.03 | petn-randall | ,v perl-base |
| 18:17.04 | judd | Package: perl-base on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u2; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u3; sid: 5.22.1-4; stretch: 5.22.1-4 |
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| 18:17.38 | petn-randall | ze-: The current point release of jessie has that version. |
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| 18:17.59 | ze- | ok, weird to have jessie > jessie-security. |
| 18:18.02 | ze- | thanks |
| 18:18.14 | greycat | that sometimes happens after a new point release |
| 18:18.55 | ze- | same code name, but different release points. |
| 18:19.01 | ze- | I still have trouble with that concept. :) |
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| 18:20.15 | petn-randall | ze-: You just have to remember that there are point releases that fix important (but not security-critical) bugs every once in a while, making sure there's 100% backwards compatibility. |
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| 18:20.58 | petn-randall | So what happened is that there was a security bug that was fixed in security.d.o, and a few weeks later there was a point release that fixed some RC bug. |
| 18:21.02 | ze- | ok, well... thanks. that fix my trouble finding it. Just have to update my mirrors. |
| 18:21.19 | petn-randall | ze-: That's always a good idea :) |
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| 18:22.38 | greycat | "100% backwards compatibility" is not quite true :( |
| 18:23.41 | greycat | says my 64 MB box that now has to use GRUB_DEFAULT="Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux>Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae" |
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| 18:24.15 | petn-randall | greycat: What happened? |
| 18:24.41 | greycat | Debian 8.3 kernel/initrd update made the box give me an "out of memory, no processes left to kill" error upon rebooting |
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| 18:25.09 | cnnx | i re-installe ddebian on my embedded arm device trying to get sound to work, what are some modules i can try to modprobe? |
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| 18:28.27 | subleq | I'm running debian stable, and trying to run postgres and postgis from testing. postgres is easy with a pin in preferences, but postgis has a ton of dependencies, including core stuff like libstdc++6. What are my options here? |
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| 18:29.23 | nkuttler | !tell subleq about backports |
| 18:29.26 | nkuttler | !tell subleq about ssbp |
| 18:29.29 | subleq | I want to install from testing becaused I need postgres 9.5 |
| 18:29.29 | nkuttler | !tell subleq about pinning |
| 18:30.02 | subleq | I understand pinning, but I'm afraid to pin stuff like libstdc++6 |
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| 18:30.30 | greycat | If you understand pinning, you will know not to use it. |
| 18:31.23 | subleq | No postgres 9.5 in jessie backports :( |
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| 18:32.22 | subleq | greycat: ok...what's the right way to do it? |
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| 18:32.48 | petn-randall | subleq: http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ |
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| 18:33.34 | Mitzelflick | postgresql has debian stuff |
| 18:33.35 | petn-randall | subleq: Even though it's a 3rd party repo, it's maintained mostly by the same people that maintain the Debian packages, so the quality is quite high for a 3rd party repo. This is probably your only good option if you really depend on postgres 9.5 for some reason. |
| 18:33.38 | Mitzelflick | like a repo |
| 18:33.50 | Mitzelflick | www.prevayler.org |
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| 18:49.34 | Aebian | what exactly do I need to change on my debian laptop that my terminals are sending out packages to my remote server that I don't get a pipe error (timeout probably)? Just the sshd settings? |
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| 18:50.06 | greycat | err... what? |
| 18:50.42 | greycat | I think some parts of the question have been omitted or something. |
| 18:52.15 | teraflops | Aebian: hmm your ssh connection times out? |
| 18:52.30 | Aebian | teraflops: yes I think so |
| 18:53.04 | Aebian | teraflops: but only on my debian machine. If I run a putty session on a windows machine it can stay forever to say |
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| 18:53.22 | greycat | Are you trying to convince the ssh client to stay alive in the face of a temporarily damaged Wifi network connection? |
| 18:53.49 | Aebian | greycat: I'm connected via cat7 LAN cable to my router |
| 18:53.51 | greycat | Or is this a NAT question? |
| 18:54.17 | greycat | Are you trying to make an idle ssh client connection keep working when the NAT would normally time it out for inactivity? |
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| 18:54.28 | Aebian | but my terminal (gnome terminal) times out after a couple of hourts if I don't do something |
| 18:54.58 | greycat | Put this in your ~/.ssh/config (create it if necessary): ServerAliveInterval 300 |
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| 18:55.19 | greycat | That'll generate a packet every 300 seconds in order to keep the NAT session awake. |
| 18:55.31 | Aebian | thanks greycat |
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| 18:55.53 | teraflops | Aebian: take a look at man sshd look for keepalive and alive |
| 18:56.06 | Aebian | teraflops: okay ^^ |
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| 18:56.48 | greycat | teraflops: if he's doing this on the client end (laptop = client), then it's not in sshd_config |
| 18:57.10 | teraflops | greycat: the client. Ah |
| 18:57.18 | Aebian | yup is the clients end ^^ |
| 18:57.22 | Aebian | *its |
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| 19:00.14 | teraflops | Aebian: yeah. What greycat says. You can also set the option by hand as in ssh -o ServerAliveInterval.... |
| 19:01.23 | zykotick9 | Aebian: <sidenotes only> i'm not sure what the X part of your issue is but... are you familiar with screen or tmux? also, you might want to look into mosh as well... |
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| 19:37.45 | Gordon__ | Hello, im trying to compile snmp 5.7.3 (unstable) on jessie. I've been able to rebuild the package 5.7.2.1 but on 5.7.3 i get this error : undefined reference to symbol 'BN_bn2bin@@OPENSSL_1.0.0' /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line |
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| 19:39.13 | Gordon__ | Do you think I need a more recent libcrypto ? or what i'm trying is just not possible on Jessie ? Thanks for help |
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| 19:40.37 | silensius | sorry |
| 19:40.51 | jelly | ,v checkbackport net-snmp |
| 19:40.52 | judd | No package named 'checkbackport' was found in amd64. |
| 19:40.56 | jelly | ,checkbackport net-snmp |
| 19:40.57 | judd | Backporting package net-snmp in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore. |
| 19:41.44 | silensius | i will just crypt a txt file it contains every login and password , which is the best free solution |
| 19:41.58 | jelly | Gordon__: when exactly do you get that error? Can you show the full output, together with the command you used? |
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| 19:44.51 | cnnx | i have a usb sound device i want to use on debian |
| 19:44.58 | cnnx | i see it in lsusb but not aplay -l |
| 19:45.03 | cnnx | how can i modprobe it? |
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| 19:45.42 | jelly | cnnx: what's the usb id number of said device |
| 19:46.05 | cnnx | jelly: Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. |
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| 19:47.47 | jelly | judd: usbid 0d8c:013c |
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| 19:48.11 | jelly | ok, let me try grepping local symbols then |
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| 19:51.20 | Gordon__ | it seams an error during linking https://bpaste.net/show/82901cdeebac |
| 19:51.34 | jelly | cnnx: heh. I don't understand how snd-usb-audio loads for my own 0d8c:0102 either :-) |
| 19:51.40 | greycat | Oh, look. Another https pastebin I can't connect to. |
| 19:51.57 | cnnx | jelly: what do you mean? |
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| 19:52.39 | cnnx | jelly: I'm using an arm arch embedded device |
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| 19:52.44 | cnnx | jelly: with version 2.6 of the kernel |
| 19:52.44 | jelly | cnnx: it means my usb audio card works, the module gets loaded but there is no entry for 0d8c:0102 in "modinfo snd-usb-audio" |
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| 19:53.08 | cnnx | its 0d8c:013c |
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| 19:54.11 | jelly | cnnx: what does "uname -a" say, and what does "modinfo snd-usb-audio" say? |
| 19:54.26 | cnnx | jelly: Linux ts4200 2.6.36.2 #7 PREEMPT Fri Oct 7 11:14:15 MST 2011 armv5tejl GNU/Linux |
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| 19:54.34 | jelly | !paste |
| 19:54.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 19:54.53 | cnnx | jelly: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module snd-usb-audio |
| 19:55.08 | greycat | That doesn't look like a Debian kernel. |
| 19:55.18 | cnnx | its a customized version of it |
| 19:55.20 | cnnx | from embeddedarm.com |
| 19:55.23 | cnnx | where i bought my sbc |
| 19:55.25 | jelly | cnnx: well, you do not seem to have the relevant driver present at all, then |
| 19:55.26 | cnnx | in 2011 |
| 19:55.42 | cnnx | its definately debian |
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| 19:56.07 | cnnx | jelly: anyways I email their support team |
| 19:56.07 | jelly | and I'm _assuming_ the same driver is relevant, but i don't know how to confirm it right now |
| 19:56.15 | greycat | "Debian with a custom kernel" means we can't apply Debian solutions to your kernel issue. |
| 19:56.19 | cnnx | i had it working, i just re-installed the sdcard from image so i need to re-configure it |
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| 19:56.23 | cnnx | don't remember how I did it 5 years ago |
| 19:56.39 | cnnx | greycat: I was out of options so I thought someone might know in here |
| 19:57.26 | jelly | eh, I can't even tell why it works here at all, and I DO have a proper debian distributed kernel |
| 19:57.53 | jelly | has a different usb sound card, from the same vendor |
| 19:57.59 | cnnx | i'll just wait for embeddedmarm to get back to me |
| 19:58.02 | cnnx | thanks anyways |
| 19:58.35 | cnnx | this is the device btw, that i'm running debian on |
| 19:58.38 | cnnx | http://wiki.embeddedarm.com/wiki/TS-4200 |
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| 20:26.33 | Gordon__ | .... well i've been able to compile snmp but the debian build script is so broken on jessie. there were 2 missing libs flags on some Makefiles, not all.... and then a funny "-linux-gnu" extra argument out of no where, prolly a bad substitution. this script is quite bad |
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| 20:30.53 | McErroneous | Hi, which command shall i use, in order to see the Status of all backgrounded Services (e.g service --status-all?) |
| 20:31.22 | greycat | systemctl, in jessie |
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| 20:31.54 | McErroneous | greycat: thanks, i was trying sysctl..., got confused.. thx.. |
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| 20:37.50 | McErroneous | What is the command to log all cli-input in a file ? |
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| 20:38.23 | greycat | script |
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| 20:41.15 | McErroneous | hmm, script deleted my history... |
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| 20:41.45 | greycat | It starts a new process. Maybe your new process is in a different shell...? |
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| 20:42.18 | greycat | Or you're referring to in-RAM history of the parent shell that wasn't written to disk yet, since your parent shell is still running "underneath" you. |
| 20:42.54 | McErroneous | Idk, using terminator with multiple windows.., i was refering bash-history.. |
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| 20:43.48 | greycat | I will assume you mean the still-in-memory-not-yet-on-disk history of the parent shell from which you ran script. |
| 20:44.25 | greycat | If this is an issue for you, exit out of script, back to the parent shell. Then run "history -a". Then run script again. |
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| 20:47.39 | McErroneous | okay that, works , but unfortunatly to late for me, my bash histroy has a single entry..; well.. next time..., thx.. |
| 20:48.20 | greycat | I believe you are extremely confused, but it's hard to be sure what you expected... |
| 20:48.26 | subleq | does debian testing really not have a docker package? |
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| 20:50.21 | figlfdev | subleq: https://packages.debian.org/testing/docker |
| 20:50.33 | figlfdev | sorry! thats the systray |
| 20:50.37 | figlfdev | nevermind |
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| 20:51.03 | subleq | i think i was just being stupid, it's named docker.io not docker |
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| 20:51.39 | sysyadmin | Package 'php5-fpm' has no installation candidate |
| 20:51.42 | sysyadmin | hmmmm |
| 20:52.54 | figlfdev | its here (for real this time) https://packages.debian.org/testing/docker.io |
| 20:53.13 | figlfdev | ive never seen a package name with a dot (in the name itself) |
| 20:53.14 | karlpinc | greycat: Ever figure out that boot/memory issue? |
| 20:53.33 | cra1g321 | sysyadmin, its in the repos.... https://packages.debian.org/jessie/php5-fpm |
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| 20:53.55 | sysyadmin | somehow some apt sources weren't there |
| 20:54.20 | greycat | karlpinc: I just did GRUB_DEFAULT="Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux>Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae" |
| 20:54.37 | greycat | Let it boot the wheezy kernel. Then I added wheezy sources.list lines to get the security updates for it. |
| 20:54.49 | nkuttler | figlfdev: plenty of dots in versioned package names |
| 20:55.14 | figlfdev | nkuttler: yeah, thats true |
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| 20:55.39 | figlfdev | ive just never seen a package like "docker.io" (cant say that anymore) |
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| 20:55.51 | j__ | my wifi won't turn on. #ip link set wlan0 up ->RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible do to RF-kill |
| 20:56.07 | greycat | ,v docker.io |
| 20:56.08 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.3~ds1-2; stretch: 1.8.3~ds1-2 |
| 20:56.22 | j__ | meanwhile I do not have rfkill installed |
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| 20:56.38 | figlfdev | j__: sudo apt-get install rfkill ; sudo rfkill unblock all |
| 20:56.57 | figlfdev | and if necessary (but not before trying rfkill) try the hardware switch. rfkill isnt always enough |
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| 20:57.10 | j__ | figlfdev, thx |
| 20:57.12 | wewlad | hello everyone |
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| 20:57.26 | wewlad | I've just installed debian on a VM and tried to install nginx |
| 20:57.28 | wewlad | it fails |
| 20:57.46 | nkuttler | !tell wewlad about errors |
| 20:57.54 | wewlad | I ran 'apt-get install nginx' and got E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 20:58.21 | greycat | (1) do it as root, (2) what was the *first* error? |
| 20:58.28 | wewlad | done as a root |
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| 20:58.34 | wewlad | (su) |
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| 20:58.48 | wewlad | greycat: that was the only error |
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| 20:59.08 | greycat | Try placing the entire output of the apt-get command on a paste site (e.g. paste.debian.net) |
| 20:59.20 | cra1g321 | ah greycat beat me to it, also maybe sources.list file too |
| 20:59.20 | wewlad | sure |
| 21:00.47 | wewlad | greycat: my user is not in sudoers list, is it okay if I just go into 'su' mode first or might that cause any errors? |
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| 21:01.43 | j__ | as soon as I #rfkill unblock all, then the Hard block turns back on |
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| 21:02.06 | greycat | su is fine |
| 21:02.25 | zykotick9 | wewlad: i'd suggest using "su -" gives you some nice tab completion (if it's installed) |
| 21:02.46 | greycat | zykotick9: running a login shell does not affect... oh god you use bash-completion?! |
| 21:03.10 | zykotick9 | greycat: i take it "bash-completion" is bad in your books ;) |
| 21:03.14 | greycat | Is bash-completion even *in* root's .bashrc file by default? |
| 21:03.42 | zykotick9 | ya, with customized stuff or apt-get and /sbin stuff in general... |
| 21:03.49 | zykotick9 | s/or/for/ |
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| 21:04.12 | greycat | Near as I can tell, it is not. And it is commented out of /etc/bash.bashrc also. |
| 21:04.19 | wewlad | oh god, damn that KDE, how to copy from a XTerm? |
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| 21:04.35 | greycat | Highlight by holding the left mouse button. Paste with the middle button. |
| 21:04.41 | jubo2 | I run 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade' today. Is it safe to say we're running Debian8.3 |
| 21:04.52 | zykotick9 | greycat: in this case, i _really_ don't think it's something i customized... |
| 21:04.56 | jubo2 | was like 110-120 upgraded per machine |
| 21:04.59 | nkuttler | jubo2: depends on your sources.list |
| 21:05.11 | greycat | jubo2: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:05.14 | jubo2 | I got vanilla sources.list |
| 21:05.29 | greycat | jubo2: also look for "base-files" in the list of packages being upgraded. That's always a good sign you've just hit a point release. |
| 21:05.55 | jubo2 | Mais oui.. c'est 8.3 |
| 21:06.05 | jubo2 | Merci genz |
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| 21:06.10 | greycat | (If your mouse doesn't have a middle button, but it has a scroll wheel, sometimes you can press the scroll wheel LIKE a button to get the middle-button effect.) |
| 21:06.22 | jubo2 | greycat: totally |
| 21:06.35 | jubo2 | I've never met a scrollwheel mouse that didn't |
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| 21:06.58 | wewlad | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/369541/ |
| 21:07.01 | jubo2 | or maybe I did but I just dunn forget |
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| 21:08.03 | j__ | oh it was disabled in bios |
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| 21:08.36 | greycat | wewlad: I've not seen this particular error before, but try running systemctl status nginx.service like it suggests in the first error message. That might give us more info. |
| 21:09.59 | wewlad | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/36954Ƽ3/ |
| 21:10.17 | McErroneous | i would call systemctl then better servicectl,so it would not be confused with sysctl, further more a tab-completion on "service" would bring the right command up, but i guess its to late, and would only create additional confusion... |
| 21:10.38 | lf94_ | Is it easy to dual boot 2 versions of debian? |
| 21:10.44 | greycat | Ah, you have some other web server running on port 80. |
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| 21:11.11 | wewlad | greycat: probably, I chose to install a web server when installed debian |
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| 21:11.40 | greycat | I'm a bit surprised the packaging didn't know how to deal with that, and stop/remove your previous web server first. |
| 21:11.50 | greycat | I guess you will need to remove apache2 (or whatever) yourself. |
| 21:11.54 | wewlad | it's okay, it's linux |
| 21:12.06 | karlpinc | greycat: Sorta sucks vis the wheezy kernel. Maybe the problem will go away after a while. :) |
| 21:12.52 | greycat | karlpinc: well, eventually the box will die and we'll have to replace it again. Hopefully in a way that allows *some* sort of data migration.... |
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| 21:13.04 | nkuttler | running nginx and apache on the same box is probably not uncommon |
| 21:13.25 | karlpinc | greycat: Wouldn't hurt to file a bug report, just so somebody can take notice. |
| 21:13.33 | wewlad | is this okay that I see lots of ???? https://i.imgur.com/oR8hpP0.png |
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| 21:14.00 | greycat | karlpinc: not even sure what's causing it. I'd have to get, like, a camera and take a picture of the screen. Or write shit down with pen and paper. Since the errors are not saved on disk. |
| 21:14.08 | karlpinc | nkuttler: I run both on one box. |
| 21:14.35 | nkuttler | karlpinc: i do on several |
| 21:14.36 | karlpinc | greycat: I am cursed with a cellphone and use that to take pictures in such cases. |
| 21:14.37 | kyle__ | greycat: 'data migration'. Is that a cute euphemism for scrambling to restore from a two month old backup that was just made when you wanted to work on something on your laptop while on an airplane? |
| 21:15.08 | greycat | kyle__: hopefully not that old! but I should check the backups again, to be sure... |
| 21:15.23 | wewlad | thx greycat, it seems to have resolved the issue |
| 21:15.26 | karlpinc | greycat: I've a usb-to-serial device but have only gotten around to setting up a serial console on some of my boxes so.... |
| 21:15.38 | wewlad | is this okay that I see lots of ???? https://i.imgur.com/oR8hpP0.png |
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| 21:16.30 | kyle__ | greycat: Yeah, not speaking from experience at all.... |
| 21:16.44 | transhuman_ | hi when you call up localhost/phpmyadmin is it the same as calling up http://localhost/phpmyadmin or is it treated differently than every other url? |
| 21:16.51 | kyle__ | Heh, just got a ticket in my queue this week to document that our backups are tested and restorable. |
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| 21:17.11 | karlpinc | transhuman_: Depends on the browser to fill in the defaults, but yes --- the same. |
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| 21:18.51 | greycat | "call up"? |
| 21:19.14 | greycat | Is that newspeak for "type into a browser's URL bar", as opposed to typing at a command prompt? |
| 21:19.30 | transhuman_ | why would the browser be redirecting http://localhost/phpmyadmin to localhost/phpmyadm |
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| 21:19.52 | greycat | Newer web browsers hide the http:// part because they think it is clever or something. |
| 21:20.05 | cafuego | too confusing for on-technical users |
| 21:20.14 | greycat | Probably brought to you by the same diseased minds that hide the filename extensions in Windows file managers. |
| 21:20.15 | transhuman_ | ok I had an attack on my browser recently to get login so I was suspicious |
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| 21:23.37 | karlpinc | greycat: (Even if you don't want to take a picture I think a "from memory" bug report would help.) |
| 21:24.02 | greycat | A bug report against what? |
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| 21:24.31 | McErroneous | Does any of you is able to access youtube without useing https, but http: instead ? |
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| 21:25.11 | karlpinc | greycat: linux-image |
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| 21:25.54 | McErroneous | raid.. |
| 21:25.55 | karlpinc | greycat: Or maybe the -pae version of same. |
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| 21:28.18 | wewlad | is this okay that I see lots of '???' marks? https://i.imgur.com/oR8hpP0.png |
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| 21:30.27 | karlpinc | wewlad: I didn't look. But often ??? means you need to update your locale to something like en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 21:30.46 | karlpinc | wewlad: IIIRC it's: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 21:31.22 | wewlad | karlpinc: will I be able to write in non-english layout afterwards? |
| 21:31.31 | rkan001 | test |
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| 21:32.04 | karlpinc | wewlad: You can pick more than one. I think. Choose the one you work with. It's a sign of "plain old ascii" instead of unicode. |
| 21:32.51 | wewlad | karlpinc: is this debian's fault or KDE's fault or anybody's else? |
| 21:33.34 | karlpinc | wewlad: I got it on a Debian box that started out before unicode was invented. Then when jessie showed up systemd demands unicode so.... |
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| 21:33.54 | wewlad | karlpinc: https://i.imgur.com/DgvWkP5.png what d'I choose? |
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| 21:34.16 | greycat | Very few people are willing to look at unsolicited *.png screen shots from IRC. |
| 21:34.57 | karlpinc | wewlad: (I broke down and looked.) the "red" choice seems fine. |
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| 21:35.40 | karlpinc | greycat: It's the legacy of goatse. |
| 21:35.53 | awal1 | .Xdefaults file: if i leave 1 line empty at the beginning pcmanfm shows it as text file (text image) and opens it with leafpad or with any other text editor; but if I don't leave an empty line at the beginning pcmanfm shows it as picture and it opens it with gimp resulting in error. Any clue why? |
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| 21:36.13 | greycat | dear gods what, just type your editor by name |
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| 21:36.20 | wewlad | greycat: well, sorry, I wish debian, just like windows, would allow to easily copy text from message boxes |
| 21:36.23 | greycat | "nano .Xdefaults" or "vim .Xdefaults" etc. |
| 21:36.34 | karlpinc | awal1: It's explained in "man file", like as not. |
| 21:36.38 | wewlad | so that I could quote the question I was asked by the system, not screenshoot it |
| 21:36.38 | greycat | wewlad: if you're in a terminal, it *is* that easy. |
| 21:36.52 | awal1 | greycat: that not my issue :P |
| 21:37.12 | wewlad | greycat: hmm, true, I got confused this pseudo gui with guis from 80s |
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| 21:37.32 | wewlad | because I thought it's okay in linux |
| 21:37.37 | karlpinc | loves the middle mouse button. |
| 21:37.45 | awal1 | bad english here, I think you don't understand my issue :( |
| 21:38.08 | karlpinc | awal1: Read about magic in "man file" and then come back if you still have a question. |
| 21:38.30 | awal1 | karlpinc: ok |
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| 21:42.46 | wewlad | is it okay that sources.list doesn't yet exist? |
| 21:43.01 | wewlad | nvm |
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| 21:51.32 | wewlad | help, please, followed http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ instructions and tried to install 'pgadmin' from backports but getting E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | you don't wanto to pin to backports |
| 21:52.49 | wewlad | what? |
| 21:52.59 | karlpinc | wewlad: What command did you type. |
| 21:53.00 | abrotman | what command did you try? |
| 21:53.15 | wewlad | the one suggested by the instructions |
| 21:53.26 | abrotman | which is? |
| 21:53.36 | karlpinc | wewlad: We are too lazy to go look. Since it's a single line, paste it here. |
| 21:53.39 | wewlad | apt-get -t jessie-backports install pgadmin |
| 21:54.40 | karlpinc | wewlad: Either you don't have jessie-backports in your sources.list or you forgot to "aptitude update" (or apt-get) after changing sources.list. |
| 21:55.04 | wewlad | thx |
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| 22:01.25 | wewlad | http://www.pgadmin.org/download/ says pgAdmin is included by default in most Linux distributions, such as Debian. If you want a different version than the one included in the distribution, you can use channels such as the PostgreSQL, Debian backports |
| 22:01.25 | wewlad | but there's no pgAdmin by default in Debian, and there's no such a package in Debian's backports. |
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| 22:01.57 | karlpinc | !tell wewlad about search |
| 22:02.08 | karlpinc | wewlad: There's a pgadmin3 |
| 22:03.32 | karlpinc | wewlad: debtags is really nice for searching for packages, but in this case "aptitude search pgadmin" worked fine. (As would apt-get.) |
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| 22:04.00 | wewlad | I thought I should've seen that package in 'dpkg -l' list |
| 22:04.06 | wewlad | I was wrong |
| 22:04.33 | karlpinc | wewlad: I think that lists what is installed. To search the repositories you need apt (aptitude/apt-get/apt-cache/...) |
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| 22:05.21 | wewlad | well, I started messing with backports only because apt-get install pgadmin failed |
| 22:05.44 | wewlad | I don't know why that happened, now it worked and I just got it installed |
| 22:06.03 | karlpinc | wewlad: You can leave it in sources.list. It does not do anything (but slow your system when installing etc.) unless you use -t with aptitude/apt-get. |
| 22:06.24 | wewlad | I know |
| 22:06.32 | wewlad | I even learned about priorities |
| 22:06.38 | karlpinc | wewlad: you can type "history" to see what you typed if you want to know what went wrong before. |
| 22:06.55 | karlpinc | wewlad: Probably you did not add the "3" to pgadmin3. |
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| 22:07.34 | wewlad | karlpinc: turns out I was wrong. again. I haven't tried the above command, I tried it with -t jessie-backports |
| 22:07.36 | karlpinc | wewlad: Be sure also to read the readme.debian for postgres. |
| 22:07.43 | karlpinc | !tell wewlad about readme.debian |
| 22:07.49 | wewlad | thank you |
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| 22:08.35 | karlpinc | wewlad: (I don't recall anything important in the pg readme.debian -- _except_ when it comes to upgrading to the next version of debian. Which will happen eventually.) |
| 22:09.35 | wewlad | btw, how do I know my current version of the Debian? in FreeBSD that info is usually displayed along with other in 'uname -a' |
| 22:09.47 | wewlad | but in debian it doesn't explicitly say 'it is debian 8.2' |
| 22:10.04 | karlpinc | wewlad: I always "cat /etc/debian_version" |
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| 22:10.18 | wewlad | not very much intuitive, thank you for the hint |
| 22:10.42 | karlpinc | wewlad: In the BSDs the packaging goes with the kernel version, pretty much. Not so with linux. |
| 22:11.27 | karlpinc | wewlad: The debian-policy package is useful for "obscure" stuff like that, or read it online at debian.org. |
| 22:11.41 | wewlad | so the installer is smart enough to have checked for newer version when I was installing the OS |
| 22:11.49 | karlpinc | wewlad: yes. |
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| 22:11.55 | wewlad | because my installing ISO is 8.2 and I now have 8.3 |
| 22:12.00 | wewlad | that is nice |
| 22:12.43 | karlpinc | wewlad: debian-policy also has stuff vis useful groups to belong to and similar admin stuff. |
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| 22:20.26 | wewlad | karlpinc: there's no readme.debian for pgadmin |
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| 22:20.59 | wewlad | and it doesn't start: Error: Unable to initialize GTK+, is DISPLAY set properly? |
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| 22:21.39 | wewlad | echo $DISPLAY returns ':0' |
| 22:22.46 | wewlad | http://askubuntu.com/questions/4444/pgadmin3-unable-to-initialize-gtk-is-display-set-properly the problem seems to be unsolved :( |
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| 22:23.52 | wewlad | nvm, shouldn't have executed it from root |
| 22:24.00 | wewlad | works fine from user |
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| 22:26.17 | wewlad | weird, uninstalled apache, installed nginx, but the server still shows apache's introduction page |
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| 22:28.45 | nkuttler | wewlad: probably just pointing to the same document root |
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| 22:30.45 | laidback_01 | anyone use KDE on debian latest release? if so, is it supposed to come with wicd? I'm having a very hard time with this, and kind of want the old knetworkmanager back as it actually worked well |
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| 22:31.27 | petn-randall | laidback_01: I'd use network-manager, that's IMHO the most sophisticated way to dynamically configure network interfaces. |
| 22:33.17 | stoned | I have never had the need to configure nic in debian. Everything is always just automatically done for me |
| 22:33.18 | stoned | :D |
| 22:33.35 | stoned | Debian \m/ makes me do not much work |
| 22:33.45 | laidback_01 | yeah, I'n very used to stuff just working in debian |
| 22:34.02 | laidback_01 | this is the second laptop I've installed in recent days where the wireless nic is a total nightmare |
| 22:34.17 | stoned | Oh, also, I don't have a wireless. |
| 22:34.56 | stoned | I put a realtek pci wireless card in my pci slot (old pci, not pci-e) and it doesn't even show up in lspci or anything else |
| 22:35.05 | stoned | So, I go wired all the time |
| 22:35.07 | petn-randall | laidback_01: I'm pretty sure that most DEs pull in network-manager as recommendation. |
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| 22:37.27 | tharkun | laidback_01: lspci -nn should tell you someinfo on your nick |
| 22:38.25 | laidback_01 | crap, somhow disabled the wireless or something. |
| 22:38.43 | tharkun | nmcli radio wifi |
| 22:38.57 | tharkun | should tell you what state your nic is in. |
| 22:39.12 | laidback_01 | it's one of the Intel Centrino Wifi Advancd-N 6230 |
| 22:39.13 | petn-randall | laidback_01: Did you install the firmware for your wifi? It's in 95% of the cases the reason wifi doesn't work. |
| 22:39.40 | laidback_01 | yep, it's disabled according to that nmcli, thanks for that |
| 22:39.44 | tharkun | laidback_01: lspci -nn and paste the pci id number in here (The one between the brackets) |
| 22:39.57 | laidback_01 | now to sort out how I disabled it, and fix that. |
| 22:40.29 | laidback_01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.39 | tharkun | ,8086:0091 |
| 22:40.52 | tharkun | ,pciid 8086:0091 |
| 22:40.53 | judd | [8086:0091] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0091 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 22:41.37 | tharkun | laidback_01: check that you have the matching kernel module as petn-randall mentioned it is very important |
| 22:41.53 | laidback_01 | oh, right... I just updated |
| 22:42.08 | laidback_01 | thanks for stirring that memory - it was working, after the updates it's not. |
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| 22:45.51 | Inglipz | Hey guys. Would anyone know how to display which notification daemon is currently in use? |
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| 22:46.25 | laidback_01 | ok, I had to power the laptop off, then start it again |
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| 23:14.29 | laidback_01 | thanks for the help! the machine is able to switch back and forth between wired and wireless networks with ease now ;) |
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| 23:39.39 | wewlad | how do I add stuff to $PATH? |
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| 23:39.56 | wewlad | !tell me about $PATH |
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| 23:40.26 | karlpinc | wewlad: Either /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile See "man bash". (or "man dash".) |
| 23:40.28 | PryMar56 | PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 23:40.47 | wewlad | I like PryMar56's solution |
| 23:40.52 | wewlad | thank you both |
| 23:40.56 | cafuego | wewlad: That's a onc-eoff, though. |
| 23:41.04 | wewlad | damn, right |
| 23:41.07 | karlpinc | wewlad: It's temporary, until logout. |
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| 23:41.20 | wewlad | I can't make postgresql work :( |
| 23:41.25 | wewlad | can't make it just run |
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| 23:41.32 | cafuego | Also you should pick whether you add your dir to the start or the end of the $PATH :-) |
| 23:41.41 | karlpinc | wewlad: For a single command you could PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin somecommand But that's stupid |
| 23:41.44 | cafuego | wewlad: Whoa.... no editing $PATH for that! |
| 23:41.44 | wewlad | cafuego: ...why? |
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| 23:42.12 | wewlad | here's debian's manual for postgresql: https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql |
| 23:42.16 | wewlad | it doesn't work |
| 23:42.23 | cafuego | !doesn't work |
| 23:42.24 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 23:42.31 | wewlad | You may connect to the database using the following command: # su - postgres |
| 23:42.31 | wewlad | no you can't |
| 23:42.40 | karlpinc | wewlad: You want to look at the logs. (it should just start after install/reboot) of course you can start it manually too after install. |
| 23:42.53 | cafuego | wewlad: Not with the hash in front, anyway. |
| 23:43.07 | wewlad | karlpinc: oh, I think I'll just reboot then (It didn't ask for a reboot on windows) |
| 23:43.09 | karlpinc | wewlad: But the # means you have to be root. That's root's prompt. |
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| 23:43.36 | karlpinc | wewlad: Starting manually is fine too. But eventually you'll want to reboot to be sure it works after reboot. |
| 23:43.43 | wewlad | oh |
| 23:43.44 | wewlad | damn |
| 23:43.52 | cafuego | wewlad: Step one is to check whether it's running. |
| 23:43.54 | wewlad | I thought it's su (root) + postgres |
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| 23:44.05 | wewlad | cafuego: checked, not running |
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| 23:44.13 | cafuego | wewlad: Ok, start it via the init script. |
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| 23:44.26 | karlpinc | wewlad: The command above makes you the postgres user. Which is fine, for somethings. |
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| 23:44.49 | karlpinc | wewlad: systemctl start postgresql |
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| 23:44.56 | karlpinc | wewlad: (I think) |
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| 23:44.59 | wewlad | karlpinc: from what user? |
| 23:45.02 | cafuego | root |
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| 23:45.25 | beepie | ! |
| 23:45.28 | wewlad | well |
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| 23:45.38 | wewlad | it didn't drop any errors |
| 23:45.40 | beepie | gdmit |
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| 23:45.45 | rikonor | hey, anyone here familiar with git-lfs by github? |
| 23:46.05 | beepie | since a month ago i always have to reissue /reconnect, i ask on #freenode, no answer. |
| 23:46.13 | beepie | nm ... |
| 23:46.15 | wewlad | but 'ps -auxwwf | grep postg' returns nothing other than the grep itself |
| 23:46.17 | rikonor | I was wondering why it's necessary to have a dedicated program that deals with versioning of large files. What's wrong with just versioning large files using normal git? |
| 23:46.30 | karlpinc | wewlad: That's the way the system starts it. It can be started manually too. But debian also has the pg_ctl command to start and stop individual clusters. |
| 23:46.39 | beepie | rikonor, git was created for text |
| 23:46.48 | wewlad | karlpinc: I mean I don't see it in process list |
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| 23:46.50 | beepie | rikonor, so i don't think it was made for large binary files |
| 23:47.11 | rikonor | That I know, so it's just a different algorithm for tracking diffs? |
| 23:47.12 | karlpinc | wewlad: systemctl is wierd systemd stuff. After that you need "systemctl status postgresql" |
| 23:47.29 | nkuttler | rikonor: try asking #git |
| 23:47.30 | rgr | git uses binaries for storing evervything. Unless you're talking huge images or something it works fine with binaries. |
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| 23:47.41 | karlpinc | wewlad: I think you should see stuff in /var/log/postgres* |
| 23:47.43 | wewlad | karlpinc: loaded: loaded active: active (exited) |
| 23:47.46 | beepie | rikonor, that's why btrfs was created, for versioning files |
| 23:47.49 | themill | git doesn't store binary diffs efficiently |
| 23:47.59 | beepie | rikonor, git is versioning programming code |
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| 23:48.17 | karlpinc | wewlad: You might "pg_ctl start main" (I think main is the default cluster.) |
| 23:48.32 | karlpinc | wewlad: pg_lsclusters |
| 23:48.35 | beepie | rgr, he's asking about very large binary files though.. i dont think git was made for that |
| 23:48.36 | rikonor | Ok, it doesn't look like there's a consensus here. I'll ask in #git, but thanks |
| 23:48.40 | wewlad | karlpinc: as what user? |
| 23:48.48 | karlpinc | wewlad: root always works. |
| 23:48.53 | wewlad | as root it says command not found |
| 23:48.57 | karlpinc | wewlad: You could probably also be postgres. |
| 23:49.07 | rikonor | yea, so small binary files it's probably inconsequental, then as you rise in size it becomes less efficient, hence the need for git-lfs? |
| 23:49.11 | wewlad | well pg_lsclusters works |
| 23:49.18 | wewlad | 9.4 main 5432 down |
| 23:49.34 | karlpinc | wewlad: "man pg_ctl" |
| 23:49.44 | wewlad | I'll try a reboot first |
| 23:49.53 | karlpinc | wewlad: That's if you don't want to look in the logs. |
| 23:50.16 | karlpinc | wewlad: Eventually, the logs are your best friend. |
| 23:50.16 | themill | rikonor: the inefficiency arises if you are changing the files. If you never change them, it's not so bad. |
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| 23:50.56 | wewlad | karlpinc: why man it if pg_ctl: command not found? |
| 23:51.09 | wewlad | rebooting - is a simple and good trick I learned from windows experience for poor software |
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| 23:52.53 | wewlad | well, reboot didn't help :( |
| 23:52.53 | beepie | linuxnoob_, there should be a readme in every upstream package |
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| 23:53.36 | themill | wewlad: rebooting is unlikely to help. What might help is actually describing the problem and showing suitable context, the command and the complete output in a pastebin. |
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| 23:54.28 | wewlad | logs contain: LOG: invalid value for parameter "lc_messages": "ru_RU.UTF-8". same for lc_monetary, lc_numeric and lc_time |
| 23:54.53 | wewlad | and FATAL: configuration file "/etc/postgresql/9.4/main/postgresql.conf" contains errors |
| 23:55.24 | linuxnoob_ | i am trying to include a package i compiled on one system to be included in an iso created with isoimage |
| 23:55.40 | linuxnoob_ | this is my first attempt |
| 23:55.57 | wewlad | karlpinc: remember earlier today I had a problem with "????" and you suggested to update locales in 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'? |
| 23:55.59 | linuxnoob_ | the package is nodejs, and it works after compiling |
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| 23:59.01 | kline | when it comes to editing /etc/networking/interfaces, how should i get debian to reload the changes without rebooting? ifdown & ifup didnt work, nor did systemctl restart networking.service |
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