| 00:01.47 | axc1298 | minitube has been broken in debian since one month after debian 8 was released. i emailed the maintainer but i think he's missing or doesn't care |
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| 00:02.59 | axc1298 | the developer of the program fixed the issue immediately but it remains broken in debian for 8 months now |
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| 00:03.22 | wewlad | dakmn I'm duink |
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| 00:14.09 | Aebian | is there any way to check why my laptop just frooze? FOr some reason it froze 5 minutes ago and even the power button did not work, so I had to remove the battery and psu. The music in Quod Libet was still playing alltough |
| 00:14.29 | Aebian | but I was stuck in the Workspace View Screen |
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| 00:27.21 | wewlad | how to copy the contents of a goddamn folder to another folder? |
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| 00:29.09 | axc1298 | wewlad: cp |
| 00:29.30 | wewlad | cp -r cp -r wordpress/wp-admin/* /var/www/html/wp-admin/* cp: target `/varr/www/html/wp-admin/*` is not a directory :( |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | no |
| 00:30.05 | axc1298 | * isn't a directory |
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| 00:31.22 | axc1298 | just remove that part |
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| 00:32.27 | wewlad | well seems like removing the '*' helped |
| 00:32.55 | axc1298 | the -r means recursive |
| 00:33.09 | wewlad | but http://localhost/wp-admin/install.php shows the contents of that file, instead of starting the installation |
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| 00:34.31 | Aebian | then something with your php isn't correct |
| 00:34.44 | Aebian | did you pass the php scripts to your cgi? |
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| 00:35.22 | wewlad | I don't understand the question, so the answer is probably 'no' |
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| 00:37.04 | Doyle | Hey. Why do the debain AMI's never use the full size of the xvda volume? It always caps at 8 and I have to detach, resize, etc... |
| 00:37.30 | Aebian | hmm github is down, well it means to tell the webserver that php scripts should be redirected to your php. for e.g. php5-fpm or php5-cgi |
| 00:39.42 | Aebian | wewlad: do you use nginx or apache? |
| 00:39.52 | wewlad | nginx |
| 00:39.58 | Aebian | nice |
| 00:40.11 | Aebian | okay I will share a sample config for you |
| 00:40.33 | Aebian | that is working on my server. Then you can check what may be missing on your config |
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| 00:42.38 | wewlad | ok |
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| 00:43.38 | Aebian | wewlad: https://dl.aebian.org/nginx.conf.txt I'm using HTTPS to so its included but the rest works without |
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| 00:44.44 | wewlad | I don't get it |
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| 00:45.37 | Aebian | ew ah sorry pardon I forget to include my php config |
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| 00:45.57 | Aebian | I'm using includes for that so I don't need to change the values on every vhost if required |
| 00:46.09 | Aebian | w8 |
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| 00:47.18 | Aebian | wewlad: https://dl.aebian.org/nginx.conf.txt No, thats the php config that should be in your nginx vhost file somewhere |
| 00:47.22 | Aebian | *Now |
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| 00:48.29 | Aebian | that tells nginx to pass the scripts trough and they shouldn't be displayed raw then anymore. Depends on what kind of php5 you are using. I'm using php5-fpm since its newer then php5-cgi |
| 00:48.59 | wewlad | you're not saying how to use it, oh god, still don't get it, I think I'll leave it till I'm sober |
| 00:49.40 | Aebian | okay lets start from scratch |
| 00:50.14 | Aebian | for your website you should have be default a vhost file in /etc/nginx/sites-available/ right? |
| 00:51.22 | wewlad | no |
| 00:51.54 | Aebian | where then? /etc/nginx/sites-default/ ? |
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| 00:52.22 | wewlad | it's not in any manual I've read, I don't know what you're talking about :( |
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| 00:52.53 | wewlad | https://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress#Step_5:_Run_the_Install_Script |
| 00:53.00 | Aebian | I'm talking about the configuration file for your website. that is sometiumes called vhost for virtuasl host |
| 00:53.25 | wewlad | that manual says just 'copy file & run that file' |
| 00:53.30 | Aebian | that is a file that nginx uses to tell your browser where the content on your server is located for displaying it |
| 00:53.32 | wewlad | f--k th manuals |
| 00:54.47 | wewlad | there's no 'sites-default' folder in '/etc/nginx/' |
| 00:54.56 | Aebian | yea but if your browser displays the php file raw then your php is not working and a cause could me a miss configured php5 passtrough in the nginx vhost file |
| 00:55.15 | Aebian | okay what folders do you get in /etc/nginx/ ? |
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| 00:55.37 | wewlad | https://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress#Step_5:_Run_the_Install_Script |
| 00:55.44 | wewlad | https://i.imgur.com/xG4lYqV.png |
| 00:55.48 | wewlad | oh, sorry |
| 00:55.54 | wewlad | damn alcohol |
| 00:57.05 | Aebian | then check the sites-enabled in there |
| 00:57.12 | Aebian | what do you got there? |
| 00:58.23 | cafuego | Was about to yell at you then realised #drupal is the next tab :-) |
| 00:58.37 | wewlad | a 'default' file |
| 00:58.55 | Aebian | wewlad: try to open that with vi or nano |
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| 00:59.09 | cafuego | wewlad: You should have a file in sites-available, the one in sites-enabled should be a link |
| 00:59.26 | wewlad | cafuego: I have such a folder |
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| 01:00.59 | wewlad | damn manuals |
| 01:01.06 | wewlad | not a single word about php |
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| 01:01.33 | cafuego | wordpress will be assuming you're using a managed apache box with php preinstalled. |
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| 01:03.22 | cafuego | wewlad: https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/recipes/wordpress/ |
| 01:03.52 | wewlad | thx, will try that tomorrow |
| 01:03.56 | cafuego | wewlad: That requires you to have a working php5-fpm daemon. |
| 01:04.05 | cafuego | Or php7.0-fpm, i suppose. |
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| 01:37.39 | xVim | Hi, I am struggling with a Debian Jessie 8.3 netinst on another PC. The missing firmware, although provided in lots of forms on two USB sticks and a SD card is not recognized by the installer. |
| 01:37.51 | abrotman | !firmware images |
| 01:37.52 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 01:37.58 | xVim | DHCP autoconfiguration also fails for normal ethernet |
| 01:39.16 | xVim | abrotman: Thanks for the link, I will try it this way. But nevertheless, why did it not work for me? |
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| 01:43.32 | cra1g321 | xVim, maybe had it in the wrong folder |
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| 01:44.20 | ksx4system | is it possible to prevent lightdm from opening new session for VNC login? |
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| 01:45.26 | beepie | ksx4system, vnc doesn't allow display manager logins |
| 01:46.15 | ksx4system | beepie, lightdm allows me to VNC to itself (yes, I could choose what to run but there's only openbox) |
| 01:46.17 | beepie | unless of course you're doing a VNC to a vbox-server instance, which is entirely differen t |
| 01:46.34 | xVim | cra1g321: I had the .ucode files both in the root directory as well as in two directories called 'firmware' and 'firmware-nonfree'. I had the files ending with .ucode and .ucode-versionnr in all 3 places. And I added the whole package gzipped |
| 01:46.37 | beepie | ksx4system, do you know what a 'display manager' is? |
| 01:46.45 | beepie | ksx4system, it's not the graphical session |
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| 01:47.20 | cnnx | after upgrading to jessie and rebooting i noticed the boot process is alot cleaner? they removed the line by line [ok] statuses? |
| 01:47.23 | cnnx | of modules loading? |
| 01:47.37 | abrotman | cnnx: "quiet" |
| 01:47.54 | cnnx | abrotman: can i see a log if i wanted to? to make sure they are all loaded ok? |
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| 01:48.00 | cnnx | in a file |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | Those probably werent' modules, but daemons |
| 01:48.21 | ksx4system | beepie, I assume that alternative VNC server wouldn't solve the problem - am I right? |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | see /var/log/messages |
| 01:48.23 | cnnx | right |
| 01:48.25 | cnnx | ok |
| 01:48.44 | beepie | ksx4system, you're assuming that vnc is a feature of lightdm, are you using virtualbox? |
| 01:49.22 | beepie | ksx4system, a 'display manager' is just the logon screen, when you login an x-session-manager manager takes over |
| 01:49.52 | ksx4system | beepie, then I can see the logon screen via VNC :D and no, it's not virtualbox |
| 01:50.15 | blind | Your VNC server is starting a new X server, I'm assuming. |
| 01:50.22 | beepie | ksx4system, then I suppose you're not using the standard 'display manager' or perhaps something like Xvnc |
| 01:50.29 | ksx4system | yes, it's Xvnc |
| 01:50.49 | ksx4system | but all its config changes were done in lightdm config |
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| 01:50.52 | blind | But you want to connect to your existing session? Use x11vnc |
| 01:50.56 | beepie | vnc is often only started with the session |
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| 01:51.37 | ksx4system | blind: can I keep them both? to choose if I'd rather have a new session or take the current one |
| 01:51.50 | blind | sure |
| 01:52.13 | ksx4system | mkay, so Xvnc will get some other port number than 5900... |
| 01:52.17 | ksx4system | thanks blind |
| 01:52.26 | ksx4system | and thanks beepie too |
| 01:52.36 | beepie | ksx4system, you can use the traditional X and just go with "x2goserver" |
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| 01:54.05 | beepie | ksx4system, display managers though instantiate an X server, it is still separate projects |
| 01:54.39 | beepie | ksx4system, the "networking" of display-manager settings related rather to XDMCP which is not vnc |
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| 02:09.39 | xVim | Is it better to give root privileges to an user via editing the sudoers file or via adding him to the sudo group? |
| 02:10.02 | nevyn | xVim: same result. |
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| 02:10.36 | nevyn | xVim: for sanity be consistant tho |
| 02:10.56 | xVim | :) |
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| 02:14.10 | markybob | xVim, using visudo gives you more control than just adding it to the group, though |
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| 02:16.03 | zykotick9 | markybob: i'd s/gives/can give/ if they just add the user to all sudo commands, it's the same. |
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| 02:16.38 | markybob | can give, sure, if you read some |
| 02:16.52 | nevyn | heh worst documentation ever. |
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| 02:17.28 | nevyn | https://xkcd.com/1343/ |
| 02:17.34 | nevyn | see the alt text ;) |
| 02:18.02 | markybob | it's also stupid to give someone full sudo when they just need one program |
| 02:19.27 | nevyn | markybob: unless that program is su ;) |
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| 02:20.05 | markybob | heh |
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| 02:20.06 | nevyn | it drives me crazy to be in a shop where as a sysadmin I can run sudo su - root but not sudo cat /var/log/messages |
| 02:20.43 | markybob | there's certainly no shortage of dumbass sysadmins |
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| 02:21.47 | xVim | Would you guys advise to not use the 4xALL syntax on my personal computer? |
| 02:22.10 | xVim | I am happy to restrict that more if it makes sense. |
| 02:22.22 | markybob | xVim, if it's personal it's no big deal. just add it to the group. when a lot of people have access to the system is where it gets stupid |
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| 02:23.32 | markybob | i should start a gofundme to i can get off of this bullshit cell phone tethering internet :P |
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| 02:28.59 | ksx4system | markybob, lol get yourself 3G modem? :P |
| 02:29.10 | ksx4system | much more convenient that tethering |
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| 02:31.16 | winsen1 | hi all |
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| 02:33.37 | winsen1 | are any software that let us write on computer apart from e-pen or deg ital pen? thanks |
| 02:33.38 | HeavenSucks | I'm using Jessie with unstable repositories after I upgrade my packages to newer version grep got away |
| 02:34.07 | markybob | HeavenSucks, yeah that's not smart |
| 02:34.22 | abrotman | winsen1: a mouse |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | winsen1: if you have a touch monitor, your finger |
| 02:34.35 | markybob | !dontbreakdebian |
| 02:34.35 | dpkg | dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 02:34.57 | winsen1 | abrotman: ok but witch software? |
| 02:35.23 | abrotman | which |
| 02:35.34 | winsen1 | abrotman: I don't have touch monitor |
| 02:35.36 | HeavenSucks | markybob: and now there's new directory in root called /bin |
| 02:35.37 | markybob | !tell HeavenSucks about frankendebian |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | winsen1: that probably depends on what you're trying to do |
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| 02:35.56 | markybob | wt |
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| 02:36.14 | markybob | HeavenSucks, there's always been a /bin |
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| 02:36.58 | winsen1 | abrotman: I need to write two words like I agree and sign and send my document without scan. |
| 02:37.00 | markybob | !tell HeavenSucks about backports |
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| 02:38.52 | HeavenSucks | markybob: thanks for your sharing |
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| 02:40.41 | winsen1 | abrotman: does that make sense for you? |
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| 02:43.19 | abrotman | winsen1: I'd probably just use Gimp or something similar and fudge it .. |
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| 02:45.50 | winsen1 | abrotman: unfortunately it doesn't work with Gimp. anyway thanks |
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| 02:46.34 | Remind | Hey guys. I've asked for help before, just curious if anyone else is willing to help out. I have a hybrid intel/NVIDIA card (GTX 950M) running Debian 8 distro. I installed bumblebee per the Wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee) and appended the xorg.conf.nvidia file like it suggested. When I try to test it out, with "optirun gfxspheres", I get this error: [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to |
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| 02:47.26 | LambdaComplex | is gonna pretend he's good at helping |
| 02:47.32 | LambdaComplex | Remind: Is optimus enabled in the BIOS options? |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | winsen1: import the PDF into scribus or inkscape |
| 02:48.03 | Remind | Lambda, haha, thank you. How would I check that? |
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| 02:48.44 | winsen1 | abrotman: and you think I can write on like I do with a pen? |
| 02:48.59 | LambdaComplex | Remind: By pressing a button during boot. Depends on the motherboard |
| 02:49.08 | LambdaComplex | Remind: Normally something like delete or f10 |
| 02:49.55 | Remind | I don't think I can enable/disable that. I have a pretty limited BIOS. I can't even disable/enable my NVIDIA GPU. It's a MSI computer |
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| 02:51.51 | LambdaComplex | Huh, that's kinda weird. Desktop? |
| 02:52.02 | Remind | It's a laptop, the BIOS is "American Megatrends" |
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| 02:52.21 | LambdaComplex | Huh, weird. I thought those BIOSs were normally pretty decent |
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| 02:52.46 | LambdaComplex | My Thinkpad lets me either do intel only, nvidia only, or optimus |
| 02:53.11 | LambdaComplex | But if you have no such setting I'd assume that optimus must be on |
| 02:53.41 | Remind | https://www.msi.com/product/notebook/GP60-2QF-Leopard-Pro.html#hero-overview |
| 02:53.49 | Remind | Not sur eif this helps or not, this is the computer though |
| 02:53.54 | winsen1 | abrotman: anyway. thanks |
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| 02:54.42 | Remind | Also, when I run "lspci | grep VGA", this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/pmD5GYSr |
| 02:56.04 | LambdaComplex | I think my helpfulness may have run out :P |
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| 02:56.44 | zykotick9 | Remind: if you run "lspci -v | grep VGA" does it show a second chip? |
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| 02:57.18 | Remind | I just posted the paste bin to that, http://pastebin.com/pmD5GYSr |
| 02:57.32 | Remind | Ohh, with a -v, sorry! |
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| 02:57.57 | Remind | zykotick9: It doesn't :( |
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| 02:58.24 | zykotick9 | Remind: ok... i'm not _sure_ if it should or not... but kinda think it might... good luck. |
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| 03:00.41 | Remind | lspci | egrep 'VGA|3D' does return this though: 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 139a (rev a2) |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | update-pciids ; lspci -vv | grep VGA |
| 03:00.59 | Remind | So I mean, it can see the card then, right? |
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| 03:03.14 | Remind | abrotman: That command, lspci -vv | grep VGA gave me the following: lspci -vv | grep VGA |
| 03:03.27 | Remind | Bad copy, sorry: http://termbin.com/lwdh |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | did you run update-pciids first? |
| 03:03.58 | abrotman | sorry |
| 03:04.05 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 03:04.31 | Remind | "Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2016-01-28 03:15:02" |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | should be one or two lines |
| 03:04.49 | Remind | "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06)" |
| 03:05.00 | abrotman | doesn't seem very nVidia to me |
| 03:05.09 | Remind | Right? |
| 03:05.28 | Remind | This has got me stressing out, lol. I want to switch to Linux completely but I feel like such an idiot not being able to get this working |
| 03:05.38 | abrotman | and I'm also going to guess you need the kernel and intel driver from backports |
| 03:06.15 | dvs | 4th generation intel? |
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| 03:07.06 | Doyle | ... Finally fixed debian. https://www.elastic.co/blog/autoresize-ebs-root-volume-on-aws-amis |
| 03:07.07 | Remind | dvs: "4th generation Intel® Core⢠i5/i7 Processor " |
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| 03:07.21 | Remind | I have an i7 |
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| 03:09.41 | Remind | When I run lspci | egrep 'VGA|3D', I get this: http://termbin.com/wvrh |
| 03:09.56 | Remind | So it see's the card then, right? |
| 03:11.20 | abrotman | Seems like some bumblebee/optimus nonsense |
| 03:12.30 | Remind | Gonna restart, brb! |
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| 03:19.41 | Remind | lspci gives me this: http://termbin.com/tih4 |
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| 03:32.22 | yolan | Hello guys, i was wondering if you knew a command who will make my PC do something in infinite? |
| 03:32.31 | yolan | i mean, anything |
| 03:33.09 | yolan | Because i need to generate random octet to finish the generation of my gpg key |
| 03:33.27 | yolan | Any command :p @everyone |
| 03:34.57 | yolan | by exemple, a command who will generate a file , copy it, delete it, and again and again. |
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| 03:37.43 | yolan | nobody? |
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| 03:45.10 | LambdaComplex | yolan: Isn't "doing the same thing over and over again" not a very good way of generating something random? |
| 03:45.11 | abrotman | Seems like homework |
| 03:45.48 | yolan | LambdaComplex, no no , i need to make my pc do something to generate random octet for generating the gpg key :) |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | find / |
| 03:46.23 | LambdaComplex | likes that idea |
| 03:46.31 | abrotman | you just need things to happen, ping, move your mouse, find / |
| 03:46.33 | LambdaComplex | while true; do find /; sleep 1; done |
| 03:47.26 | yolan | good bash script mate |
| 03:47.33 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 03:47.38 | yolan | thank you ^^ |
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| 03:47.49 | LambdaComplex | Is that what passes for a script these days? :P |
| 03:47.58 | yolan | no but i mean, i don't code or anything |
| 03:48.05 | yolan | so for me it's impressivly good. :D |
| 03:48.16 | abrotman | that's not 'code' |
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| 03:48.47 | LambdaComplex | abrotman: are we getting into a philosophical debate on the difference between programming and scripting languages? |
| 03:49.03 | abrotman | No, I'm just saying that's not "code" :) |
| 03:49.14 | yolan | x) |
| 03:49.22 | yolan | what is it then? |
| 03:49.40 | LambdaComplex | fn main() { loop { println!("y"); } } |
| 03:49.46 | LambdaComplex | is that "code?" :P |
| 03:50.03 | yolan | is that C? |
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| 03:50.22 | LambdaComplex | nope, rust |
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| 03:52.04 | LambdaComplex | c would be... |
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| 03:52.26 | LambdaComplex | main() { while ( 1 == 1 ) { printf("y\n"); } } |
| 03:52.36 | LambdaComplex | or `int main(void)` if we care _that_ much |
| 03:53.07 | dvs | 1 == 1? |
| 03:53.20 | beepie | can just use while (1) |
| 03:53.21 | beepie | :) |
| 03:53.28 | beepie | (1) for butt forever true |
| 03:53.43 | LambdaComplex | and that shows how much I know about c :P |
| 03:53.49 | dvs | heh |
| 03:54.29 | LambdaComplex | could also do while (true) if you used stdbool.h |
| 03:54.32 | LambdaComplex | i _do_ know that :P |
| 03:54.41 | dvs | or "while (1)" |
| 03:54.58 | Hello71 | LambdaComplex: fwiw while true is basically impossible to ^C |
| 03:55.05 | Hello71 | because true is a builtin |
| 03:55.22 | LambdaComplex | is it? |
| 03:55.29 | aedinius | eh? |
| 03:55.32 | LambdaComplex | man stdbool.h says that true expands to integer constant 1 |
| 03:55.37 | dvs | Hello71: wasn't always until recently |
| 03:55.46 | Hello71 | dvs: in bash. |
| 03:55.47 | LambdaComplex | and considering i got an error when i tried doing while (true) without importing stdbool.h |
| 03:55.52 | LambdaComplex | oh, in bash :P |
| 03:56.21 | LambdaComplex | Hello71: Uh, ^C is working fine for me |
| 03:56.24 | LambdaComplex | (in both bash and zsh) |
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| 03:57.14 | Hello71 | hm, maybe I'm thinking of something else. |
| 03:57.54 | yolan | do you know how to write a text message, and encrypt it for a publig gpg key in CLI? |
| 03:58.12 | yolan | i'm tryng to learn and DDG do not get me anything |
| 03:58.15 | dvs | yup, it's an assignment |
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| 03:58.34 | Hello71 | !homework |
| 03:58.34 | dpkg | [homework] something you should do yourself. |
| 03:58.54 | yolan | Homework isn't for school thing? |
| 03:59.07 | aedinius | I used to do people's programming homework. |
| 03:59.12 | yolan | i find thing to encrypt file, but not text! :s |
| 03:59.30 | aedinius | Times were hard. I'd charge $5 per assignment for homework, and a sliding scale for major projets. |
| 03:59.42 | Hello71 | is there a quote bot here, or should I just submit it to bash.org |
| 04:00.07 | aedinius | Didn't bash go down? |
| 04:00.16 | aedinius | oh its back! |
| 04:00.18 | Hello71 | it was. |
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| 04:14.49 | jab | linux is too hard im going back to windows |
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| 04:15.26 | crazygltich | sorry to hear that jab. |
| 04:15.46 | digidog | jab: windows is too hard, thats why I swtiched to linux |
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| 04:18.12 | quantic | shrugs. |
| 04:18.25 | crazygltich | I switched to Linux cause I wanted more control over what is installed on my pc. |
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| 04:18.28 | zykotick9 | spent the day troubleshooting two wireless printers on win7 & win10 - he couldn't imagine going back to that. |
| 04:20.09 | holiday | After I come out from suspend, I loose my previous wifi connection. Also, sometimes Debian is unable to find the wifi access point after suspend. I don't have this issue at home, just at my university. Any ideas why? |
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| 04:21.11 | digidog | holiday: its not *debian* not finding your access point I am pretty sure ... |
| 04:21.59 | holiday | digidog: wicd, then? I don't know. I don't have this problem on Windows 7, but I do in Debian. |
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| 04:22.16 | aedinius | How are you configuring the connection on debian? |
| 04:22.56 | holiday | aedinius: I use wicd. My university's wifi is not encrypted and has no password. I click on "automatically connect". |
| 04:23.52 | aedinius | I usually just edit /etc/network/interfaces, I haven't had issues with reconnect after resume |
| 04:25.24 | holiday | aedinius: I don't have any issues at home, it's something related to how my university sets up its wifi, but I'm not sure what to do. Their IT department doesn't support Debian |
| 04:26.36 | uxfi | hi holiday |
| 04:26.51 | digidog | holiday: *I don't have this problem on Windows7* results from your wrong assumption that it is Debian trying to connect to your wifi. Its not Debian nor Windows. In your Debian case its wicd and it wokring pretty good. Maybe we should take a deeper look into your settiings in wicd ? |
| 04:27.20 | holiday | digidog: sure, what do you want to look at? uxfi: hi |
| 04:28.15 | digidog | holiday: wait, your universtiy doesnt support Linux ? :) but you use a Linux machine in university, but not at home. that does not make any sense |
| 04:28.56 | digidog | holiday: btw, a universtiy not supporting linux is very strange since most university websites are running on linux apache servers |
| 04:28.57 | uxfi | holiday, on holiday? |
| 04:28.58 | uxfi | hehe |
| 04:29.19 | holiday | digidog: My computer labs uses fedora, they do use linux, but when you go online to set a work order you have to choose between windows or some apple os |
| 04:29.46 | digidog | *scratcheshead* |
| 04:30.04 | digidog | where is this university? in Harry POtter land ? o.O |
| 04:30.23 | digidog | ok, never meind |
| 04:30.32 | holiday | digidog: what do you want to look at in wicd |
| 04:30.34 | digidog | holiday: did you checked your wicd settings ? |
| 04:31.16 | digidog | holiday: does your university requires a static ip? |
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| 04:31.40 | aedinius | digidog: To be fair, for students, my uni supported windows for students. sci/eng supported *nix |
| 04:32.17 | holiday | digidog: I'm not sure |
| 04:32.58 | digidog | holiday: for me it sounds like that you had some settings applied to your indows machine which are not set yet on the linux machine |
| 04:33.25 | aedinius | Is it just not reassociating to the AP? |
| 04:34.02 | holiday | digidog: I didn't change anything to windows, didn't add anything, just clicked connect and "auto connect." Did the same steps in Debian, except it doesn't work in Debian. |
| 04:34.04 | aedinius | When the laptop sleeps does it get moved to say another area where there might be a different AP? |
| 04:34.30 | holiday | aedinius: no, if I shut my laptop on right now where I'm at and not move, wicd won't auto connect |
| 04:35.14 | aedinius | have you tried not using wicd? |
| 04:35.43 | holiday | aedinius: no |
| 04:35.43 | digidog | holiday: connecting to the same wifi with or wihtout trouble is absolutely OS independend and mostly has to do with settings being not set for the individual needs. Windows mostly tries to assume your needs what makes many trouble in situations where its assumptions are wrong. |
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| 04:36.11 | aedinius | I just use the builtin ifupdown stuff |
| 04:36.29 | digidog | holiday: it is possible that there is some setting missing here in wicd which is set automaticly on your windows machine |
| 04:36.35 | holiday | aedinius: so every time you boot up your computer do you have to open up a terminal and manually connect? |
| 04:36.37 | aedinius | iface wlan0 inet dhcp\nwpa-ssid "totallyinsecurewifi"\nwpa-key-mgmt NONE |
| 04:37.01 | holiday | aedinius: that goes to /etc/network/interfaces right? |
| 04:37.05 | aedinius | Just have that set in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:37.20 | aedinius | holiday: I have mine set so I have to ifup wlan0 on boot |
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| 04:37.42 | digidog | holiday: you dont need to open terminal again and again for commands you need on startup. therefore you can make them run automaticly |
| 04:37.43 | aedinius | But that often follows a ln -sf /etc/network/interfaces.whereimat /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:38.28 | aedinius | But that's only on because if I don't and I move the laptop it'll wait forever to time out befor eit boots because thw ap is long ogne |
| 04:38.33 | digidog | aedinius: are you sure this is the right way for him, since he doesnt feel 100% compfortable atm with debian yet ? |
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| 04:38.47 | aedinius | digidog: I'm a fan of feet to the fire |
| 04:39.00 | holiday | aedinius: Do I have to disable and uninstall wicd before I try to do what you do? Could you explain the "ln -sf." |
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| 04:39.13 | aedinius | digidog: I'm also no longer invited to interviews at work |
| 04:39.51 | digidog | aedinius: well, but he needs a working wifi solution without too much huzzle, I would say ... |
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| 04:40.22 | digidog | and if my assumption is right it doesnt matter if he uses the wring settings manually or with wicd ... |
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| 04:40.40 | digidog | ...(typo) and if my assumption is right it doesnt matter if he uses the wrong settings manually or with wicd ... |
| 04:40.55 | digidog | aedinius: holiday: ^ |
| 04:40.59 | aedinius | holiday: I keep a bunch of "profiles" for the network, /etc/network/interfaces.wired or .hhonors or .home. the ln -sf command just sets whichever profile I need to the one used by the system |
| 04:41.06 | aedinius | okay long story |
| 04:41.09 | aedinius | But ... |
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| 04:41.19 | aedinius | holiday: How are you configuring wicd? |
| 04:41.28 | aedinius | Just through a GUI or something? |
| 04:41.47 | aardvark | Can someone explain to me why the Debian Project in its DFSG is not against its use in military/war-related cases? I understand that not all these cases are bad, but most of them i would say... |
| 04:41.50 | holiday | aedinius: I'm not sure. I installed Debian net install. Followed the guide on the debian website for setting up wifi. I haven't changed anything since. |
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| 04:42.27 | aedinius | aardvark: Are you against it? |
| 04:42.57 | holiday | aedinius: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Wicd |
| 04:43.21 | aardvark | aedinius: Without too much thinking about it I would say I am against it, yes. |
| 04:44.42 | aedinius | aardvark: Can you articulate why? |
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| 04:45.30 | aedinius | holiday: This is what I use https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 04:46.03 | zykotick9 | aardvark: that wouldn't be free software anymore :| |
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| 04:48.10 | holiday | aedinius: If I want to setup my wifi to be like that, would I need to first disable wicd, or is it ok to keep? |
| 04:48.40 | zykotick9 | aardvark: sidenote, i'm not sure, but i think rt-linux is thanks to US defense investments for missiles :| |
| 04:48.44 | aedinius | holiday: Yeah, i think you'd need to disable it |
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| 04:49.30 | holiday | aedinius: Ok, I'm not sure if this is a problem, but my university has multiple essid's with the same name. Could this be the cause of my problem? |
| 04:49.31 | aardvark | aedinius: If Debian was used in American drones killing people ("guilty" or not), and I would have significantly contributed to Debian, I would feel guilty for not having restricted its use for the military as example. |
| 04:50.49 | aardvark | I understand that just saying 'dont use it' propably won't stop the military, but still I at least said something. |
| 04:50.57 | aedinius | aardvark: Why would you feel guilty? What did you do? |
| 04:51.24 | aedinius | You didn't make someone do it, you didn't enable them to do it. |
| 04:51.30 | quantic | By that measure, if Debian was used in a factory to make cutlery, and someone stabbed someone with a knife made in that factory, you'd feel just as guilty. |
| 04:51.42 | aedinius | quantic: Exactly. |
| 04:51.45 | aardvark | I would not have said: I grant only non-military use permissions. |
| 04:52.06 | quantic | GPL. Nothing is stopping the USG from simply pulling the sources and compiling it themselves. |
| 04:52.28 | rww | because lots of people object to lots of different things, and you'd end up with Debian being a mismash of different restrictions and probably not redistributable |
| 04:52.35 | quantic | ^ |
| 04:52.40 | aedinius | holiday: No, that's normal for an enterprise network |
| 04:52.42 | zykotick9 | rww: +1 |
| 04:53.14 | holiday | aedinius: On the Debian guide for wicd, it says to adds a line "auto lo", but when I run "iwlist scan" it says lo is unable to scan. Should it be wlan0 instead? |
| 04:53.31 | aedinius | holiday: lo is the loopback, it has nothing to do with wireless. |
| 04:53.42 | aedinius | holiday: the wiki doesn't say "add lo", it says make sure its the only thing listed. |
| 04:54.07 | aardvark | Rww: But don't you think reasonable people can not agree on what is definetly NOT okay to use software for? |
| 04:54.13 | quantic | aardvark: No. |
| 04:54.18 | simonlnu | loopback is essential |
| 04:54.22 | Rusty1 | iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 04:54.30 | rww | aardvark: reasonable people ended up agreeing not to discriminate against fields of endeavor :P |
| 04:54.30 | aedinius | aardvark: There's a reason most licenses say "not for a specific purpose" |
| 04:54.37 | holiday | simonlnu: what exactly does lo do? |
| 04:54.50 | rww | holiday: it's the loopback interface used by various programs to talk to other things on the local machine |
| 04:54.52 | aedinius | holiday: It lets you talk to yourself. |
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| 04:55.16 | simonlnu | makes sure you actually the network stack active. it's like a house's foundation (if you build one with a foundation). |
| 04:55.26 | holiday | aedinius: if I removed that line from /etc/network/interfaces/ would I not be able to connect to wifi? |
| 04:55.53 | aedinius | holiday: If you removed the lo line you'd have other issues. it has nothing to do with wifi, in any way at all |
| 04:56.00 | simonlnu | and what aedinius said too. so e.g. ping your own local host (hence another name for it is localhost) |
| 04:56.01 | aedinius | holiday: leave the lo line |
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| 04:56.19 | holiday | aedinius: I'm just wondering what would happen |
| 04:56.24 | simonlnu | that's a file BTW, not a dir. |
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| 04:56.29 | aedinius | holiday: the universe would explode. |
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| 04:56.41 | simonlnu | s/ex/im/ :P |
| 04:56.50 | aedinius | whatever :) |
| 04:56.53 | simonlnu | teehees |
| 04:57.14 | aedinius | Bad Things (tm) will happen |
| 04:57.24 | simonlnu | indeed |
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| 04:57.56 | simonlnu | it's basic to the entirety of the tcp/ip stack. |
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| 04:59.25 | aardvark | quantic, aedinius, rww: One last try. Don't you think reasonable people could at least agree that software should not be used in specific cases that violate the UN human rights charta? |
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| 04:59.51 | quantic | aardvark: No. You're still trying to ascribe an idealogical bias where none should exist. |
| 05:00.01 | rww | no, because different people will disagree on what violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights |
| 05:00.09 | rww | quite, umm, reasomably |
| 05:00.11 | setProfile | Good day, all. Can someone in here please recommend a remote server monitoring tool--cli-only (I do _not_ need a Web-UI)--for my Debian box, please? Thanks in advance. |
| 05:00.40 | quantic | setProfile: I think the standard recommendation would be Nagios, but others may have input on better or more simple tools, depending on requirements |
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| 05:01.25 | aedinius | I think it's fair that an author can not condone or even strongly recommend against use of said author's products or contributions. Should they be allowed to limit? No. |
| 05:02.43 | aedinius | It doesn't matter who makes it, the only unethical person is the unethical person who uses it to kill someone (or deny a human right) |
| 05:02.59 | Rusty1 | !offtopic |
| 05:03.00 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 05:03.51 | setProfile | quantic: Um, Nagios, has a web server component... which I do not need for now (to keep my box as thin as possible). I need a remote monitoring tool that only has cli and and can be integrated to email alerts. |
| 05:04.05 | quantic | setProfile: Yes, that component is not required. |
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| 05:04.26 | quantic | setProfile: At least, as far as I am aware. |
| 05:04.39 | jelly | setProfile: having a component is different from having to _use_ that component |
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| 05:05.15 | quantic | setProfile: The core does include a CGI web interface, I think, but I rarely if ever use it. |
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| 05:05.48 | aardvark | I don't see why this is offtopic. But I stop anyway. Thanks for your guys views on this. I have to admit though that I still struggle with this issue. Anyway, thank you. |
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| 05:12.52 | winsen1 | hi all |
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| 05:16.08 | winsen1 | can you please tell me what does these following command : "apt-get install apt-show-versions" and "and apt-show-versions | grep -v ' uptodate'"? |
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| 05:17.30 | cafuego | it installs a package and then runs the software provided by that package, looking for "uptodate" in its output. |
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| 05:21.01 | aedinius | cafuego: well, not uptodate in its output |
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| 05:24.14 | winsen1 | "and apt-show-versions | grep -v ' uptodate' ? what about this part ...grep -v 'uptodate' ? |
| 05:24.40 | markybob | grep -v means any line that doesn't have 'uptodate' in it |
| 05:24.57 | markybob | man grep |
| 05:25.51 | sab | s/and // |
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| 05:28.09 | markybob | sab, did you lean on your keyboard? |
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| 05:28.27 | winsen1 | so the first command = to see what packages I have installed and what are the upgrades available and their version? |
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| 05:29.09 | markybob | winsen1, pretty much. then the second tells you which aren't uptodate |
| 05:29.39 | winsen1 | Thanks a lot |
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| 05:30.30 | sab | don't think he meant to run the "and" command. |
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| 05:31.42 | cafuego | aedinius: errrr, yes |
| 05:32.15 | uxfi | hola |
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| 05:46.11 | winsen1 | cafuego, markybob: Thanks again. have a good day. |
| 05:47.23 | cafuego | it's quarter to pub, you bet. |
| 05:47.27 | msn | is it possible to restrict users to only one ssh login at a time |
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| 05:50.14 | cafuego | msn: Looks like it. using pam_limits and the 'maxlogins' option. |
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| 05:51.21 | svetlana | msn: maybe man sshd_config, the MaxSessions and MaxStartups fields |
| 05:52.12 | ungali | I'm running Sid, and my last dist-upgrade removed xserver-xorg-input-evdev, killing my keyboard under X. Reinstalling it fails with xorg-input-abi-21 being uninstallable. Is there an easy way I can build that myself? |
| 05:53.01 | markybob | ungali, that's why sid isn't supported here. you can try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is the official channel |
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| 05:53.11 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 05:53.25 | msn | cafuego: svetlana thanks |
| 05:53.26 | tite12345 | How could I improve my audio quality? |
| 05:53.38 | tite12345 | Not really experienced with tweaking different channels or EQ |
| 05:53.43 | markybob | tite12345, i have hearing aids :P works for me |
| 05:53.53 | tite12345 | markybob: No, like, music playing. |
| 05:54.22 | ungali | markybob, thanks |
| 05:54.27 | tite12345 | I'm convinced that I don't have to buy another headphones or buy an audio equalizer to improve sound quality. |
| 05:54.35 | tite12345 | I think I should use my nonfree audio driver? |
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| 05:54.52 | tite12345 | Am I right? |
| 05:55.16 | msn | cafuego: svetlana don't think that MaxSessions will help since the user is supposedly sharing their id, so different people will still login from different network connections" |
| 05:56.15 | svetlana | msn: apparently not concurrently with maxsessions. I would warn the user against it and continue to monitor the IPs they're logging in from. |
| 05:56.41 | msn | i think pam_limits is better solutions if i can figure how to configure it :) |
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| 05:58.01 | cafuego | msn: you could fake it using iptables, sort of. But that'd break it for users sharing an IP. |
| 05:58.39 | markybob | msn, why not just use keys? you have many machines with the same user keys? |
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| 05:59.09 | msn | well trust me keys won't work either |
| 05:59.15 | msn | they will just share the keys |
| 05:59.21 | msn | they are non tech users |
| 05:59.22 | cafuego | You know what your problem is? |
| 05:59.25 | cafuego | Users. |
| 05:59.26 | markybob | msn then you've got other issues |
| 05:59.28 | cafuego | Just. Don't. |
| 05:59.42 | msn | pam_limits max_logins is perfect :) |
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| 06:00.03 | markybob | that may be the third dumbest thing i've heard all day. but have fun |
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| 06:15.26 | N3X15 | Trying to install nodejs, and the instructions on nodesource seem to be conflicting with the "stock" debian package. http://hastebin.com/ijodiqucid.txt <- apt-cache policy nodejs |
| 06:15.35 | N3X15 | Any way to fix this? |
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| 06:19.45 | McErroneous | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:27.18 | LostSoul_ | Hi |
| 06:27.20 | LostSoul_ | I've got noobiest question ever, but do I need postfix to send emails from a server? |
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| 06:27.58 | markybob | LostSoul_, no. you need something. exim. sendmail. whatever. i personally use postfix |
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| 06:28.22 | LostSoul_ | markybob: Yeah, I mean postfix or sth like postfix (sendmail, exim etc) |
| 06:28.30 | LostSoul_ | Ok so mail app stadnalone can't send mails |
| 06:28.35 | markybob | LostSoul_, then yes |
| 06:28.43 | markybob | LostSoul_, no |
| 06:28.48 | LostSoul_ | Sorry for such nooby questions, but mails are not my part |
| 06:28.57 | LostSoul_ | I want to learn what I need for my server to send mails |
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| 06:30.16 | markybob | LostSoul_, this includes a lot more but it's a good tutorial https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/perfect-server-debian-8-jessie-apache-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3/#-install-postfix-dovecot-mysql-phpmyadmin-rkhunter-binutils |
| 06:30.59 | LostSoul_ | Thank you :) |
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| 06:35.24 | vvande | LostSoul_: the thing you want to avoid the most is others using it - ie an open relay. You can avoid that and other secutiry problems by connecting with a tunnel. |
| 06:37.10 | LostSoul_ | If I got error: host XXX refused to talk to me ... Delivery not authorized |
| 06:37.13 | LostSoul_ | It means mta on the other side has cut me off? |
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| 06:38.19 | vvande | I think so. I haven't seen that exact phrase in my logs though. |
| 06:38.55 | vvande | But it reminds me that one of the most important things about serving mail is keeping the IP clean so you don't get blocked. |
| 06:39.21 | vvande | You often get dirty IPs on a cheap VPS. |
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| 07:05.27 | LostSoul_ | vvande: Thanks |
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| 07:08.22 | beepie | LostSoul_, that was a long-paused for thanks.. interesting |
| 07:08.38 | beepie | eeps |
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| 07:08.55 | beepie | capital T too.. |
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| 07:09.12 | beepie | dam i never saw that, usually it's all small caps.. but still interesting |
| 07:09.14 | beepie | XD |
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| 07:53.12 | Putti | Hi, where can I find the netinst signature? |
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| 07:53.59 | at0m | Putti: in the .iso directory there is a checksums file |
| 07:55.08 | Putti | does that check that the file is not corrupted? |
| 07:55.32 | Putti | I want the one that verifies that the iso is from debian developers |
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| 07:56.54 | Mathisen | Putti, pls read the text before the downloads here >> |
| 07:56.56 | Mathisen | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:57.10 | Mathisen | and take a look here >> https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 07:57.51 | Putti | Mathisen, ok, I haven't seen that first link you gave earlier, thanks! |
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| 08:01.22 | slax0r | hi, is it possible to have encfs lock the encrypted directory even when a file is open, and have it re-request the password when the editor that has the file opened tries to write to the file? or is encfs not the right tool for this job? |
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| 08:18.49 | szulak | hello, is there someone with pc/notebook with the following graphics card: geforce 840M? |
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| 08:19.41 | szulak | I am about to install Debian on my notebook, and wondering about support for my graphics card |
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| 08:21.48 | r1k1 | it has intel hd4xxx also? |
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| 08:22.26 | r1k1 | both options work bit need some configuration and bumblebeed for dual gpu |
| 08:22.28 | szulak | it has intel 5500 |
| 08:22.36 | r1k1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.47 | szulak | but yeah, it has two GPUs (optimus technology afaik) |
| 08:23.10 | r1k1 | it kinda sucks with linux :D |
| 08:23.30 | szulak | yeah. I couldn't manage to run properly ubuntu with this configuration |
| 08:23.30 | r1k1 | i have 740m and hd4400 always need to config sooo much |
| 08:24.14 | r1k1 | ubuntu work straight if you install just thw updates driver frpm drivers atleast on me |
| 08:24.21 | szulak | or well, I could. but I couldn't get rid of artifacts from a screen (while playing youtube video), neither been able to launch chrome with hardware acceleration support |
| 08:24.27 | r1k1 | not with bumblebee |
| 08:24.41 | r1k1 | try glxheads to see what card it uses |
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| 08:24.49 | szulak | it worked fine on integrated gpu tho. |
| 08:25.17 | szulak | I've installed nvidia-prime (to switch between gpu's) |
| 08:25.27 | szulak | between cards* |
| 08:26.18 | szulak | and as I said, it worked fine with intel. with nvidia, I had so much problems (like video artifacts, when dragging a window it was lagging as fuck etc.) |
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| 08:26.46 | r1k1 | yeah intel hd works great but not for 3D and pölaying games |
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| 08:28.29 | szulak | thank you r1k1, I will try Debian (still on VM) and we will see what's going on |
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| 09:05.22 | McErroneous | Hi, how do i display all available ciphers ? (ssh -Q , did not work here) |
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| 09:05.52 | damo22 | Oops, your web browser is no longer supported. on jessie trying to watch youtube? |
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| 09:06.12 | Lope | I installed debian chrooted on android. After installation I had to tweak the sshd_config to be able to login from my laptop. But I can't actually get a shell, because it says "stdin: is not a tty". There are lots of tty devices in /dev/ any ideas? https://github.com/guardianproject/lildebi/wiki |
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| 09:07.07 | damo22 | Lope: sounds like you need to choose hardware that respects your freedom zero |
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| 09:08.01 | Lope | freedom zero? |
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| 09:08.18 | damo22 | Lope: freedom zero: the freedom to run a program for any purpose |
| 09:09.07 | McErroneous | How do i display all possible ciphers my system may use ? |
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| 09:09.58 | damo22 | McErroneous: surely you mean something else, because a system can implement any cipher |
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| 09:11.03 | Lope | damo: there are no linux smartphones or tablets that i know of. |
| 09:11.29 | damo22 | how unfortunate |
| 09:11.30 | McErroneous | damo22: Display all available ciphers ? (ssh -Q , did not work here) |
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| 09:12.38 | damo22 | McErroneous: so you mean the available ciphers implemented by the ssh client? |
| 09:13.42 | McErroneous | implemented by the ssh client , or any other software on my system.. |
| 09:14.09 | McErroneous | damo22: Yes |
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| 09:16.08 | damo22 | McErroneous: i tried "man ssh" i couldnt find it either |
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| 09:19.05 | simonlnu | closest thing to linux we have on smartphones is linux. and android, its third cousin. |
| 09:19.19 | szulak | how about Tizen? |
| 09:19.37 | damo22 | what we need is hardware manufacturers who dont think users need to be protected from their own devices |
| 09:20.07 | simonlnu | always roots his |
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| 09:20.40 | damo22 | simonlnu: yeh but you dont have real access to the hw |
| 09:20.53 | damo22 | only the firmware does |
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| 09:21.32 | simonlnu | i come pretty darn close with a third party reconvery |
| 09:21.38 | simonlnu | recovery* |
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| 09:22.04 | McErroneous | damo22: Well, IMHO, as knowledge and experience increase, things are not going to be same at all time..... |
| 09:22.21 | simonlnu | i use cm and twrp |
| 09:22.29 | McErroneous | and we are bound to make mistakes, is it ? |
| 09:22.29 | damo22 | im pretty sure android devices have an extra kernel layer that not even root can access |
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| 09:23.16 | simonlnu | they have a lot of layers, even with the more "barebones" (read: less bloat) systems |
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| 09:23.44 | simonlnu | samsung's knox is notorious though |
| 09:23.44 | damo22 | i give up on smartphones |
| 09:24.07 | damo22 | even x86 is locked now |
| 09:24.08 | simonlnu | it's what made me switch to cyanogenmod |
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| 09:25.15 | at0m | also, #Cyanogenmod |
| 09:25.24 | simonlnu | Lope: lildebi isn't supported, and it's a little broken |
| 09:25.32 | simonlnu | at0m: TY :) |
| 09:27.28 | damo22 | i want to see iceweasel with a JACK audio server switch |
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| 09:27.39 | damo22 | down with pulse |
| 09:28.05 | damo22 | :P |
| 09:28.10 | Lope | apparently me not being able to login via SSH might have something to do with /etc/profile and ~/.bashrc. My ~/.bashrc is empty. But my /etc/profile file is filled with loads of shit. |
| 09:28.14 | at0m | oh damo22 didn't see you there, hi :) |
| 09:28.20 | damo22 | hi at0m |
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| 09:29.13 | at0m | Lope: if you're suspecting bash or profile, maybe try scp? |
| 09:29.24 | damo22 | iceweasel -J |
| 09:29.26 | damo22 | :D |
| 09:29.30 | at0m | Lope: cos then you will avoid a shell |
| 09:29.57 | Lope | at0m: I don't understand, why are you suggesting scp? |
| 09:30.07 | at0m | damo22: still going via pulse here, got to admit it's come a long way |
| 09:30.08 | Lope | I can login via SSH but I don't get a shell. I want a shell? |
| 09:30.14 | at0m | oh |
| 09:30.58 | damo22 | Lope: check /etc/passwd for your user and ensure it has /bin/bash as the shell |
| 09:31.05 | at0m | Lope: "ssh user@host bash"? bash will then be the command to execute after login |
| 09:31.21 | at0m | or /bin/bash even |
| 09:32.36 | Lope | damo22: I've confirmed /etc/passwd has a bin/bash shell. |
| 09:32.52 | damo22 | Lope: on the target machine |
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| 09:33.02 | Lope | /bin/bash. okay atom I'll try that. |
| 09:33.18 | Lope | BTW when chrooted via the android terminal emulator I can use su root and I login fine. |
| 09:33.57 | Lope | so I don't think there's a problem with ~/.bashrc /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile |
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| 09:34.41 | at0m | damo22: fyi, no luck with 4.4.0-rc8-rt-amd64 on my profire2626. got another machine now to try on, but that proliant makes more noise than my speakers |
| 09:35.06 | damo22 | doh |
| 09:35.07 | Lope | if I login with `ssh root@ip bash` It just waits, nothing happens. |
| 09:35.10 | at0m | ); |
| 09:35.22 | Lope | Well, it asks for the password, then waits. |
| 09:35.47 | Lope | I just get a blinking cursor below. `ls` doesn't do anything |
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| 09:36.26 | at0m | Lope: how about /bin/sh instead of bash |
| 09:36.39 | Lope | if I login with `ssh root@ip` it asks for a password. then it gives me the debian greeting and says 'stdin: is not a tty' |
| 09:37.17 | Lope | atom:same |
| 09:37.22 | at0m | hmm then sh isnt going to fix it indeed |
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| 09:40.53 | damo22 | at0m: ive been busy on firmware related stuff instead of audio |
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| 09:41.34 | at0m | damo22: cool... just wanted to let you know since i last discussed this issue w you |
| 09:42.04 | damo22 | at0m: afaik, your 2626 doesnt have firewire support in the tree |
| 09:42.14 | damo22 | unless takashi fixed it recently |
| 09:42.17 | at0m | damo22: it worked *once* |
| 09:42.30 | at0m | i rebooted and poof never came back |
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| 09:42.53 | at0m | oh well |
| 09:42.58 | damo22 | at0m: with firewire driver, or ffado? |
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| 09:43.14 | at0m | not too sure anymore |
| 09:43.26 | damo22 | maybe ffado has support for i |
| 09:43.28 | damo22 | it* |
| 09:43.34 | damo22 | i dont know much about ffado |
| 09:44.05 | damo22 | except that takashis native alsa driver is better in pretty much every case |
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| 09:44.26 | damo22 | unless there is missing support |
| 09:44.30 | at0m | damo22: that's a big progress then, overall :) |
| 09:44.40 | damo22 | yeah |
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| 09:52.41 | spacebug^ | I have a question about TRIM. I'm using Debian 8.3 with LVM/dm-crypt (everyhting on "/" and a swap, as default install makes it). I have enabled trim for dm-crypt and LVM according to http://blog.neutrino.es/2013/howto-properly-activate-trim-for-your-ssd-on-linux-fstrim-lvm-and-dmcrypt/ .When I run "fstrim -av" I see / and /boot getting trimmed, but no info about swap. I tried adding discard to swap in / |
| 09:52.47 | spacebug^ | etc/fstab but that did not change anything. Is swap getting trimmed or not? |
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| 09:55.43 | SynrGy | spacebug^: read man swapon, --discard option, which explains |
| 09:56.02 | SynrGy | spacebug^: please note that swap is not a filesystem |
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| 09:56.37 | SynrGy | from fstrim man page "fstrim is used on a mounted filesystem ..." |
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| 09:56.55 | philm88 | I've got a bunch of packages that need me to apt-get upgrade. Is there a way to get a list of those packges, the currently installed version & what the version will be after the upgrade? |
| 09:57.36 | SynrGy | apt-cache policy, per package, will tell you that info |
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| 09:58.13 | philm88 | So I'd need to run something to get the list of upgradable packages, then parse through those running each through apt-cache policy? |
| 09:59.03 | spacebug^ | SynrGy: I read that now. I hope I get what they mean |
| 09:59.42 | SynrGy | philm88: it is one way. i don't know of another. doesn't mean there isn't any other ... would have to search the doc |
| 10:00.01 | SynrGy | some front-ends provide this ability |
| 10:00.36 | SynrGy | it's quite possible with some appropriate format strings you could get aptitude to produce a list from the command line ... |
| 10:00.43 | philm88 | yeah, I'm defining a system update process for a remote production webserver. |
| 10:01.27 | philm88 | so no gui frontend. But I'd imagine the gui frontends are just running apt-get/aptitiude/dpkg commands underneath |
| 10:01.51 | Qantourisc | Qemu drags in X11 deps ? |
| 10:01.54 | philm88 | aha! apt-get -V -u upgrade --assume-no |
| 10:02.08 | SynrGy | ah |
| 10:02.35 | SynrGy | also, aptitude versions -F '%p %V %v' |
| 10:02.57 | philm88 | nice, thanks |
| 10:02.59 | SynrGy | oh, you need to add ~i |
| 10:03.07 | philm88 | I'm never too sure when you should use apt-get vs aptitude |
| 10:03.12 | SynrGy | probably also --group-by=none to tidy it up |
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| 10:03.53 | SynrGy | hmm. the man page says that should work, but i don't see it ... |
| 10:05.14 | SynrGy | oh, ~i is probably the wrong pattern |
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| 10:07.40 | Qantourisc | A it's just the libs, not the servers |
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| 10:09.01 | SynrGy | philm88: aptitude versions -F '%p %V %v' ~U |
| 10:09.42 | themill | might need width specifiers (or --disable-columns) to get all the information desired |
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| 10:11.05 | SynrGy | yeah. also, %t is useful |
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| 10:11.09 | SynrGy | aptitude versions --disable-columns -F '%p %V %v %t' ~U |
| 10:11.26 | SynrGy | philm88: ^^ greatly improved. shows, for instance, that there are some jessie-backports versions available |
| 10:11.38 | SynrGy | philm88: those aren't automatically upgraded. |
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| 10:11.56 | SynrGy | (of course, you need jessie-backports in your sources.list) |
| 10:13.01 | SynrGy | philm88: incidentally, i figured it all out looking at aptitude-doc |
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| 10:14.07 | SynrGy | /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s05s01.html and ch02s04s05.html |
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| 10:15.38 | SynrGy | philm88: finally, a slight advantage to aptitude versions over apt-get is that you don't need to run it as root to get that output |
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| 10:15.53 | philm88 | Oh nice, thats perfect! Thanks a lot! |
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| 10:16.18 | SynrGy | np |
| 10:17.47 | thermos4 | Hi. I am running a fresh Jessie install with GNOME 3.14. xrandr recognizes both my builtin display as well as the external monitor, however turning then on/off via console is not working. |
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| 10:18.23 | thermos4 | http://paste.debian.net/374057/ |
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| 10:19.00 | at0m | dpkg: tell thermos4 about doesn't work |
| 10:19.04 | thermos4 | Running 'xrandr --output eDP1 --auto' doest not turn on my builtin display |
| 10:19.58 | tdn | SynrGy, thanks for the link to the backupninja handler! |
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| 10:20.31 | thermos4 | Also, when I try to mirror both displays via GNOME settings the display does not work. It only works when the computer starts before the external monitor is connected. |
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| 10:20.59 | at0m | thermos4: if you run plain xrandr, you'll get a list of display connections. sure DP1 is your built-in? here it's LVDS1 |
| 10:21.04 | thermos4 | Once the external monitor is connected once, I can never get the display to light up again (even with cable removed) |
| 10:21.27 | thermos4 | at0m: Yes eDP1 is my builtin. |
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| 10:22.31 | thermos4 | at0m: If I just start my pc before connecting the external monitor, only eDP1 is visible. As soon as I connect the external monitor DP2 appears connected when running xrandr |
| 10:23.10 | slax0r | hi, I want to rebuild vim with the latest version, any tips on doing that? I've never rebuilt anything on a debian, and sorta don't want to mess up |
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| 10:24.24 | babilen | slax0r: Do you really need the latest version or would 7.4.488 work for you also? |
| 10:24.46 | babilen | slax0r: Or rather: Which version are you after? |
| 10:25.04 | thermos4 | I am happy to figure out a udev rule on my own, but to do that the simple xrandr calls have to work :/ |
| 10:25.07 | slax0r | babilen: at least 7.4.782 |
| 10:25.07 | babilen | judd: v vim |
| 10:25.08 | judd | Package: vim on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; squeeze-backports: 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; wheezy-backports: 2:7.4.488-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:7.4.488-7; sid: 2:7.4.963-1+b1; stretch: 2:7.4.963-1+b1 |
| 10:25.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell slax0r -about ssb |
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| 10:25.32 | babilen | slax0r: That would allow you to backport 7.4.963-1+b1 from sid |
| 10:25.51 | slax0r | sid is, I'm guessing the next version of deb? |
| 10:26.08 | at0m | slax0r: sid is always experimental |
| 10:26.08 | themill | didn't think vim was very backportable |
| 10:26.12 | themill | no |
| 10:26.21 | at0m | unstable |
| 10:26.39 | babilen | slax0r: The next version will be "stretch" which is currently "testing". sid is "unstable", never released and the release to which new packages are uploaded. Formal backports are based on the version in testing. |
| 10:27.18 | slax0r | if I install vim from sid, and mess up, or it doesn't work, or whatnot, I can normally revert back to normal jessie vim version, right? |
| 10:27.31 | babilen | themill: Why do you expect problems with vim? |
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| 10:27.56 | babilen | slax0r: Unlikely (as it would almoost certainly pull in other packages) |
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| 10:28.43 | livinskull | So I did an update on a jessie server (got packages from ~ 1 week http://pastie.org/private/m2zzo4lqe9osccktouhpcw ) and now ssh and http just say 'connection refused'. Tried rescue console and checked logs => no new logs written, so I guess it aint booting correctly. On the other hand,it replires to pings. any ideas? |
| 10:28.44 | slax0r | when is stretch getting releaseD? |
| 10:28.52 | themill | dpkg: tell slax0r about wir |
| 10:29.37 | themill | babilen: my (perhaps incorrect!) recollection is that it's a difficult transition to coordinate each time and that normally means that it would be a problematic backport. |
| 10:29.49 | livinskull | I did also deinstall openvpn from the rescue console, as I thought it might catch the service bindings on tun interface, didnt help |
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| 10:32.49 | babilen | themill: That might be the case. B-Ds are satisfied though, but I haven't tried it. The fact that a backport exists for wheezy might hint at the possibility that it goes smoothly. But then, one has to try and test it. |
| 10:33.22 | slax0r | well, no matter what, I can't do this on this computer right now, will have to make me a test environment to make sure it goes through as it should |
| 10:33.24 | themill | yep |
| 10:33.44 | SynrGy | tdn: ah, good. that was useful? |
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| 10:34.58 | slax0r | thanks for the help guys |
| 10:36.00 | thermos4 | Is it in any way possible to completely deactive GNOME handling xrandr actions? |
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| 10:37.12 | SynrGy | don't run gnome? :) |
| 10:37.41 | ikanobori | Hello, after an upgrade on a Debian unstable I have lost my input devices in X. They work in recovery mode and in gdm but as soon as GDM starts my Gnome, or i3, or xmonad (tried a few) the devices don't 'work' anymore. |
| 10:37.49 | ikanobori | I am assuming (badly) that this might be related to udev rules? |
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| 10:38.02 | SynrGy | ikanobori: join #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net where this is a current topic |
| 10:38.09 | ikanobori | SynrGy: Thank you. |
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| 10:55.31 | Ulrar | Hi, is there a way to install apache 2.2 on debian 8 ? |
| 10:56.00 | SynrGy | not from packages, no |
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| 10:56.12 | Ulrar | Just found out my client has a lot of php_value in their .htaccess files, and php 5.2 can't be loaded as a module in apache 2.4 |
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| 10:57.04 | SynrGy | ,v apache2 |
| 10:57.05 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4; sid: 2.4.18-1; stretch: 2.4.18-1 |
| 10:57.21 | SynrGy | use lts if you really need apache 2.2 |
| 10:57.54 | SynrGy | !lts |
| 10:57.55 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:58.10 | Ulrar | Well, I'd rather not re-do the whole install. I'll try to see if they'd be ok to put everything as init_set, should be simpler |
| 10:58.11 | SynrGy | please note it only has another few weeks to live :p |
| 10:58.31 | SynrGy | er, a week :) |
| 10:59.07 | Ulrar | Well, wheezy is still on 2.2, and tbh I prefer it to avoid systemd, but it's getting hard to justify that to clients |
| 10:59.18 | Ulrar | Should have installed that one on wheezy :( |
| 10:59.37 | teclo- | hard |
| 11:00.25 | SynrGy | oh, there is wheezy. sorry. i overlooked that |
| 11:00.34 | SynrGy | that will be getting lts support too, soon |
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| 11:00.50 | themill | you're only delaying fixing the config though |
| 11:01.22 | Ulrar | They are supposed to migrate all of that to recent versions of PHP |
| 11:01.28 | Ulrar | Or at least that's what they said |
| 11:01.34 | Ulrar | Guess we'll see |
| 11:01.42 | SynrGy | wheezy-lts buys you until May 2018 |
| 11:02.40 | Ulrar | All the replication is setup, I really hope they won't force me to re-install everything just for that |
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| 11:02.50 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 11:03.12 | Ulrar | A separate php.ini for each site would work too, if they don't want to change the index |
| 11:03.25 | Ulrar | A little more annoying to setup but still |
| 11:03.33 | bumbar_ | i'm trying to install some packages, but keep getting unmet dependencies errors, however i don't want to install those missing packages. i've tried apt-get clean, autoclean, purge but none seems to work |
| 11:04.02 | themill | dpkg: tell bumbar_ about bat |
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| 11:08.15 | bumbar_ | themill, https://dpaste.de/usLZ |
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| 11:09.51 | bumbar_ | i've installed libboost from source, and placed it in /usr/local, so i don't need the one from repo |
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| 11:11.03 | themill | that's not the way dependencies work -- whatever that "namecoin" package is, it either needs fixing or changing |
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| 11:12.05 | bumbar_ | i've downloaded .deb of that namecoin, tried to install it with "dpkg -i file.deb", but it didn't install due to unmet dependencies |
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| 11:12.59 | themill | start with "dpkg -r namecoin". Let's get things unbroken first. |
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| 11:13.57 | bumbar_ | done. anything else or can i run apt-get now? |
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| 11:15.08 | themill | see what "apt-get -f install" wants to do |
| 11:16.04 | bumbar_ | nothing, just reports 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 11:17.01 | themill | great, so now you could try to install the development tools you were trying to install earlier |
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| 11:17.55 | bumbar_ | themill, thanks for the help! :) |
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| 11:34.43 | jelly | ,v letsencrypt |
| 11:34.44 | judd | Package: letsencrypt on amd64 -- stretch: 0.2.0-1; sid: 0.2.0-1 |
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| 11:35.57 | judd | No package named 'qt5-core' was found in amd64. |
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| 11:36.03 | szulak | uhm |
| 11:36.09 | szulak | ,v qt5-devel |
| 11:36.10 | judd | No package named 'qt5-devel' was found in amd64. |
| 11:36.13 | szulak | damn you |
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| 11:36.33 | judd | Package: kdevelop on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.0.1-1; wheezy: 4:4.3.1-3+b1; jessie: 4:4.7.0-1; sid: 4:4.7.2-1; stretch: 4:4.7.2-1 |
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| 11:38.04 | szulak | ,v gcc |
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| 11:38.21 | szulak | stretch is 'testing', right? |
| 11:41.23 | babilen | it is, yeah |
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| 11:45.55 | sidi | I need a tutorial on how to port an existing i386/amd64 lib package to be a multiarch package. |
| 11:46.11 | sidi | (for Ubuntu actually) |
| 11:46.49 | Keridos | I have an issue with gnome3 on intel graphics |
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| 11:47.21 | Keridos | I get a XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) when I login my user, a fresh user does not have that issue, running testing distro |
| 11:47.47 | dagerik | Keridos: do memcheck |
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| 11:48.01 | Keridos | dagerik: you mean memtest? |
| 11:48.03 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 11:48.04 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:48.06 | jelly | Keridos: ^^ |
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| 11:51.32 | p3rror | helo |
| 11:52.02 | p3rror | please what does mean this line of cron |
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| 11:52.30 | p3rror | 0 16 * * 0 /bin/start.sh |
| 11:52.49 | p3rror | runnng start.sh the sunday at 16:00 |
| 11:52.54 | p3rror | is it correct ? |
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| 11:54.30 | Keridos | jelly: running now, but it happens every time i try to login on gnome |
| 11:54.59 | Keridos | ah |
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| 11:56.33 | jelly | p3rror: it's correct for a user's crontab |
| 11:57.05 | p3rror | 0 16 * * 6 /bin/start.sh is for saturday ? |
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| 12:00.34 | pie_ | hi guys im on debian wheezy and i want to install 32bit video drivers so thati can have some stuff work in WINE, when I run sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati:i386 i get this: http://pastebin.com/cH8ztd5v anyone know why this doesnt work? |
| 12:00.38 | pie_ | im on wheezy |
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| 12:03.49 | azy | hey im trying to upgrade my ADB, repository only gives me 1.0.31 and im after 1.0.32 or newer. what's the best way to do this? |
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| 12:24.05 | trewas | pie_: installing separate 32bit drivers (in addition to presumably working 64bit ones) for your hardware does not make sense |
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| 12:24.55 | pie_ | apparently people do it |
| 12:25.12 | pie_ | all i know is wine apparently expects 32bit drivers :/ |
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| 12:26.02 | pie_ | or something like that |
| 12:26.13 | pie_ | if i knew i wouldnt be asking :/ ... |
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| 12:26.28 | bazhang | not for wine no |
| 12:26.43 | Iridos | judd, checkbackport letsencrypt |
| 12:26.44 | judd | Backporting package letsencrypt in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python-acme (>= 0.2.0~), python-configargparse (>= 0.10.0), python-sphinx (>= 1.3.1-1~). |
| 12:26.54 | themill | Iridos: you can just /msg judd |
| 12:27.06 | Iridos | I know! |
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| 12:27.55 | Iridos | but it is more useful to not /msg if the output is something one might still want to discuss. |
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| 12:34.22 | pie_ | ok apparently it might just be other libraries that i need in 32bit and not the drivers but ive no idea what i need |
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| 12:34.40 | pie_ | <gnarface> pie_: i'm a nvidia guy, not ati, but my guess is that you just need the 32-bit *glx/opengl* libs, and related. |
| 12:34.52 | pie_ | any idea what packages i would need? |
| 12:35.22 | bazhang | ,v opencl |
| 12:35.23 | judd | No package named 'opencl' was found in amd64. |
| 12:35.37 | bazhang | ,v opengl |
| 12:35.38 | judd | No package named 'opengl' was found in amd64. |
| 12:35.54 | bazhang | apt-cache search those |
| 12:36.00 | pie_ | i do seem to have this... "libGL.so.1 (libc6, OS ABI: Linux 2.4.20) => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1" |
| 12:36.30 | bazhang | pie_, why are you asking in the #winehq channel for this |
| 12:36.56 | bazhang | thas for specific application support |
| 12:37.24 | pie_ | the issue is with an app in wine |
| 12:37.30 | pie_ | but eh i guess youre right |
| 12:37.40 | bazhang | pie_, what specific app is it |
| 12:37.45 | bazhang | you never said |
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| 12:38.03 | pie_ | im trying to run an old game called jumpgatre |
| 12:38.05 | pie_ | *jumpgate |
| 12:38.20 | bazhang | what the the wine appdb say about that game |
| 12:38.27 | pie_ | i checked the appdb and it didnt say a damn useful thing |
| 12:38.40 | pie_ | thats always the first place i check |
| 12:39.07 | Mathisen | pie_, you coult try it with playonlinux |
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| 12:40.10 | pie_ | i did and it only gets as far as showing a loading image, but i didnt think to check the D3D debug output on that yet so im going to go do that now |
| 12:40.26 | pie_ | it would still be helpful if i knew what to do about this :/ |
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| 12:40.49 | Mathisen | pie_, if you play games in my personal experience 32bit install has worked ALOT better for just that |
| 12:41.40 | bazhang | ,v opengate |
| 12:41.41 | judd | No package named 'opengate' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:48.23 | mjau^ | hi! |
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| 12:48.57 | mjau^ | I'm on debian 7, trying to install tzdata-java, but I get this: âtzdata-java : Depends: tzdata (= 2014j-0wheezy1) but 2015f-0+feb7u1 is to be installed" |
| 12:49.02 | mjau^ | anyone have a clue as to what it means? |
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| 12:58.46 | pie_ | hm it doesnt work on playonlinux anymore either |
| 12:58.51 | pie_ | i must have changed something |
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| 12:59.47 | jelly | mjau^: show the outputs of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy tzdata tzdata-java" |
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| 13:00.52 | jelly | mjau^: in a single pastebin entry if possible |
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| 13:08.40 | pie_ | screw you guys im going home. |
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| 13:13.13 | jerry-ing | Quick question Google didn't answer.. Can I install 64bit default-jre on a pae version of Debian server? 0.o |
| 13:13.56 | jerry-ing | Or is i686 limited to the 32bit |
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| 13:14.49 | jerry-ing | Maybe ikonia would know lol |
| 13:16.48 | themill | jerry-ing: no |
| 13:18.28 | mjau^ | jelly: http://fpaste.org/315746/14539870/ |
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| 13:19.22 | jerry-ing | No yes it is limited or no its not limited I have 12 GB of ram I want to use in a mc server |
| 13:20.13 | p3rror | what is the value of umask to get files and directory with these permission rwx r-x --- |
| 13:20.14 | themill | jerry-ing: you cannot run amd64 executables on an i386 kernel |
| 13:20.26 | themill | dpkg: tell p3rror about cross-post |
| 13:20.27 | p3rror | umask 027 ? |
| 13:20.45 | jerry-ing | The mill its a 686 kernel |
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| 13:20.54 | p3rror | themill: I need an urgent reply ? |
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| 13:21.26 | themill | jerry-ing: that's not an important distinction (and also not the one you think you are making) |
| 13:22.20 | jeddi | p3rror: is it urgent enough to run up a bash prompt, mkdir a temp dir, and use umask & touch & ls -l ... to see effects of different masks? |
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| 13:22.52 | jerry-ing | So 686 only allows Debian to use the ram like amd64 but not progs like amd64 |
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| 13:23.51 | themill | jerry-ing: there are still limitations on memory usage too, just less restrictive |
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| 13:25.01 | jerry-ing | Oh okay |
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| 13:28.18 | jelly | mjau^: your wheezy repos are VERY outdated. If you're allowed to, add deb lines for actual debian mirrors for wheezy. You'll have many components to upgrade. |
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| 13:28.33 | jelly | dpkg, tell mjau^ about wheezy sources.list |
| 13:28.34 | mjau^ | jelly: oh |
| 13:28.43 | mjau^ | jelly: thanks! |
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| 13:30.04 | jelly | mjau^: or ask the maintainers for your patch.foo.se repos to sync up with debian wheezy once in a while |
| 13:30.35 | mjau^ | yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking =) |
| 13:30.46 | mjau^ | jelly: can I ask you how you saw they were outdated? |
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| 13:33.50 | jelly | mjau^: old versions in apt-cache policy packagename, compare to this: |
| 13:33.56 | jelly | judd: versions tzdata |
| 13:33.57 | judd | Package: tzdata on amd64 -- squeeze: 2014e-0squeeze1; wheezy: 2015f-0+deb7u1; squeeze-security-lts: 2015g-0+deb6u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2015g-0+deb7u1; wheezy-updates: 2015g-0+deb7u1; jessie: 2015g-0+deb8u1; jessie-updates: 2015g-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2015g-1; sid: 2015g-1 |
| 13:34.14 | jelly | mjau^: or to http://packages.debian.org/tzdata |
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| 13:35.35 | shibly | I am using debian stable, how can i install a package from debian testing? |
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| 13:36.16 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 13:37.26 | jelly | shibly: short answer: Don't Do That. Which package and which minimum version do you require? |
| 13:37.41 | TheWarden | How can one disable screen blank, powerdown and powersave settings to me off at each system start up? |
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| 13:38.29 | shibly | jelly: I want to install openjdk 8 |
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| 13:39.00 | TheWarden | I see setterm can do this but is these settings saved so next time a login occurs or system is rebooted it stays set? As well I see package kbd can do this possibly but is it necessary? Prefer not to have another package if not need. |
| 13:39.21 | themill | ,v openjdk-8-jre jessie-backports |
| 13:39.23 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u66-b17-1~bpo8+1 |
| 13:39.31 | themill | dpkg: tell shibly about jessie-backports |
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| 13:41.34 | Ghostbird | I'm trying to configure a debian machine as Active Directory Domain Controller. To make it work correctly, the DNS entry for controller.ad.registereddomain.com must resolve to itself. I have set the machine to be its own primary DNS controller, and to use the router as secondary DNS controller. However when I do host -t A controller.ad.registereddomain.com, the answer is the worldwide IP for registereddomain.com. Can anyone shed a light on what I'm doi |
| 13:41.55 | Zambezi | Did full-upgrade on Sid today and got new packages for Xorg. After restarting Xorg the keyboard and mouse doesn't work. But the computer is accessable via ssh but reboot didn't make the trick. Any idea how to solve this? No Xorg atm. |
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| 13:42.31 | Ghostbird | Zambezi: Are you using proprietary NVIDIA drivers? |
| 13:42.57 | Slydder | hey all. have a strange situation. if I mount a samba or afp share using gvfs it works fine. if I use mount.smbfs, mount.cifs, mount_afp or afp_client I get a permission denied. anyone have a clue? |
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| 13:43.40 | Zambezi | Ghostbird: Yes. The legacy-drivers since they removed support for my card. |
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| 13:49.50 | Ghostbird | Zambezi: Maybe you need to rebuild the kernel modules. Try sudo apt-get install --reinstall <your nvidia driver package> it may fix things for you. |
| 13:50.04 | Ghostbird | Afterwards you may have to run nvidia-xconfig to generate a new configuration. |
| 13:50.14 | Ghostbird | But I'm not sure whether that's necessary, |
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| 13:51.39 | Ghostbird | I generally have issues where the graphical shell doesn't work yet when there's been a kernel update. But that's because my card is newer that what's supported in testing. So I have to use the less well integrated installer from NVIDIA's website. |
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| 14:00.45 | Zambezi | Ghostbird: Mine is old but been working fine. Xorg starts. Can't use keyboard or mouse. So reinstalling it may be unnecassary. |
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| 14:02.19 | Ghostbird | Zambezi: Well, you said that you did a big upgrade, and mine always breaks when the kernel gets updated. It's not that the driver breaks, but that the driver doesn't have an interface yet with the new kernel. Once I reinstall while running the new kernel, it will build the appropriate interface. So maybe it will work. |
| 14:02.36 | Zambezi | Another issue now is how to disable WLAN in Raspbian Jessie. In Wheezy it's working wired. Can't rearch the router either without Xorg. |
| 14:03.30 | Ghostbird | Disable WLAN? Or enable wired? |
| 14:03.32 | Zambezi | Ghostbird: Usually it does the rebuild by itself. Might have to do it. Can give it a try at least. |
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| 14:03.56 | Zambezi | Ghostbird: Enable wired. Then I'll be able to do some work. |
| 14:04.05 | Ghostbird | Yeah, it should do the rebuild itself. Mine doesn't because I use the installer from NVIDIA, I have to manually run that. |
| 14:04.16 | Ghostbird | Did you try sudo ifconfig eth0 up? |
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| 14:07.32 | Guest79742 | is there a channel for open source projects |
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| 14:08.01 | spleen | Hello all, i have a problem on installing mysql-server 5.6 on debian8 |
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| 14:08.04 | Ghostbird | Guest79742: I think most bigger open source projects have their own channels. What exactly are you looking for. |
| 14:08.12 | spleen | http://pastebin.com/raw/Z20y95iA |
| 14:08.28 | Guest79742 | i want to learn how to make a 2d online rpg |
| 14:08.40 | spleen | Is there somebody has an idea ? |
| 14:08.41 | Guest79742 | but i cant find much stuff about sockets on the internet |
| 14:08.54 | Guest79742 | and im not good to draw sprites |
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| 14:10.20 | Ghostbird | I suggest you try Unity. It's used a lot, there's good documentation, lots of 2D and 3D models freely available, and free even for commercial use as long as you have less than $100,000 annual revenue. |
| 14:10.42 | Guest79742 | thanks |
| 14:10.50 | pfote | spleen: these dont look like debian packages |
| 14:10.59 | Guest79742 | but i wanted to create even the engine |
| 14:11.09 | Guest79742 | with sdl2 and some help of other libs |
| 14:11.18 | Guest79742 | and developers and artists |
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| 14:11.33 | Guest79742 | ): |
| 14:11.34 | Ghostbird | Hmm... I guess you should open your own channel for that. |
| 14:11.48 | Guest79742 | it would help me learn |
| 14:12.02 | Ghostbird | I'd start with something simpeler to learn. |
| 14:12.03 | kurt_ | Hey, Just wondering if someone could answer this for me. I'm using a laptop with integrated intel and dedicated nvidia graphics, so I used this command "sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus" found here https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#Installation to install bumblebee so I can choose which GPU to use. This gives me the nvidia driver version 340.96 which is quite far behind. |
| 14:12.06 | Guest79742 | do you think people would help? |
| 14:12.31 | kurt_ | Is there a way to update this driver version and still work with bumblebee? |
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| 14:12.43 | Guest79742 | hm create my own channel |
| 14:12.48 | Guest79742 | thanks man brb |
| 14:13.01 | Ghostbird | kurt_: Actually that's the latest version in testing. Debian is behind in NVIDIA drivers ATM. |
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| 14:13.25 | Ghostbird | I have to use the drivers from NVIDIA themselves, because my GTX 960 is not supported in 340. |
| 14:13.34 | kurt_ | Ghostbird: So would I need to leave Jessie and install the testing version of debian to get the updated driver with bumblebee? |
| 14:13.36 | Guest79742 | can i run debian if i have a ati/amd card? |
| 14:13.41 | Ghostbird | But I know that there's experimental packages for newer versions. |
| 14:13.44 | Ghostbird | Guest79742: Sure |
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| 14:14.20 | karlpinc | kurt_: Is the package in backports? |
| 14:14.23 | Ghostbird | kurt_: I just use the NVIDIA installer for the moment, because it's good enough, but I considered loading the nvidia-driver package specifically from experimental. |
| 14:14.34 | kurt_ | karlpinc: not sure? |
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| 14:14.47 | Ghostbird | I don't think it's in backports. |
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| 14:15.10 | yates | what are the development versions of debian packages named? e.g., openssl-devel? |
| 14:15.23 | Redhair | would you buy a geforce gt640 or a radeon hd7750? |
| 14:15.25 | kurt_ | Ghostbird: I see on this site https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_352.55_64bit_.28nvidia_site_installer.29 it says I can get Version 352.55 64bit through nvidia with their installer but would this work with bumblebee still? being on a laptop I don't always want to use the dedicated card for battery reasons |
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| 14:15.47 | Ghostbird | I don't know. I have avoided buy a laptop since they started with that mes.. |
| 14:15.53 | karlpinc | ,v bumblebee-nvidia |
| 14:15.55 | judd | Package: bumblebee-nvidia on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-4~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 3.2.1-7; jessie-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-10~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 3.2.1-10; stretch/contrib: 3.2.1-10 |
| 14:16.03 | kurt_ | ahh right |
| 14:16.07 | karlpinc | kurt_: So, it is in backports. |
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| 14:16.37 | Zambezi | Ghostbird: Just did the reinstallation of Nvidia. Won't try startx yet. The wired not working. That's annoying cause it works in Wheezy but that installation is for CUPS only. |
| 14:16.39 | kurt_ | Sorry bit of a noob question here maybe then. Backports being? I've never really used it but hear it a lot lol |
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| 14:16.54 | karlpinc | !tell kurt_ about backports |
| 14:17.05 | Ghostbird | Zambezi: Sorry, can't help you then. |
| 14:17.17 | yates | ? |
| 14:17.18 | kurt_ | Ahh thanks |
| 14:17.18 | Guest79742 | should i verify my debian cd netinst download? ive heard its not necessary |
| 14:17.31 | Zambezi | Ghostbird: Even did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:17.32 | Guest79742 | and i cant do it ): |
| 14:17.58 | kurt_ | karlpinc: so the nvidia/bumblebee driver in backports is coming from the testing branch I guess? |
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| 14:18.03 | TheWarden | Can one set a systemd service to terminate after x amount of time? |
| 14:18.06 | themill | Guest79742: if you can't discount someone having interfered with the download, then you should verify it. |
| 14:18.10 | haze_ | hi there, I have trouble getting my SDHC card reader to register it is internal card reader in a laptop HP DV7 1093eo here is a dmesg readout http://dpaste.com/2PBC1HY |
| 14:18.11 | karlpinc | Guest79742: It's really up to you. If you think somebody's tampering with your downloads or a debian mirror. |
| 14:18.38 | karlpinc | Guest79742: (Or tampering with the MS Windows box you used to download.) |
| 14:18.41 | yates | TheWarden: you could set a root cronjob |
| 14:19.10 | karlpinc | kurt_: Yup. It's got the same version number. |
| 14:19.31 | TheWarden | yates: well I suppose but if I can do it with systemd I would prefer that. |
| 14:19.54 | kurt_ | karlpinc: Ahh tight so if I use the backports one I'd still be on driver version340.96? |
| 14:19.58 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Or an at job, as the case may be. |
| 14:20.24 | yates | TheWarden: man systemd |
| 14:20.45 | Ghostbird | kurt_: That's what I said, 340 is the newest even in testing. You'll have to get it from experimental if you want something newer. |
| 14:20.51 | TheWarden | karlpinc: at job? |
| 14:20.54 | karlpinc | kurt_: Dunno what the version numbers are. Your only option for something newer is to get what you need right from nvidia. |
| 14:21.00 | Guest79742 | hm |
| 14:21.04 | karlpinc | TheWarden: man at |
| 14:21.09 | TheWarden | yates: yes I've been reading through it... thus far not finding what I'm looking for. |
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| 14:21.35 | karlpinc | TheWarden: You could script something that 1) starts an at job, 2) starts your service |
| 14:21.44 | kurt_ | karlpinc: Yeah I thought so. My issue is if I just use the nvidia installer I'll use the ability of my intel integrated card and running "primusrun" for things I want to use the dedicated card on? |
| 14:21.50 | karlpinc | TheWarden: And invoke your script via systemd. |
| 14:21.52 | kurt_ | *I'll lose the ability |
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| 14:22.05 | yates | TheWarden: i have never heard of such an option in systemd |
| 14:22.10 | kurt_ | it'll just use the nvidia card all the time if I use the nvidia installer right? |
| 14:22.15 | mjau^ | jelly: umm.. kind of not getting much further here. I'm a bit confused. |
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| 14:22.22 | karlpinc | kurt_: Don't really know anything about it. |
| 14:22.28 | Ghostbird | kurt_: You'll have to read up on how Bumblebee works. |
| 14:22.38 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I have the service and timer files working as I want to start the service. I just need it to stop/terminate after X minutes. |
| 14:22.46 | yates | what are the development versions of debian packages named? e.g., openssl-devel? |
| 14:22.46 | TheWarden | karlpinc: of running |
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| 14:22.59 | Ghostbird | If it switches the driver, it may be able to switch between the intel driver and the NVIDIA driver, regardless of what version of the driver is running. |
| 14:23.02 | TheWarden | yates: oh |
| 14:23.03 | themill | yates: libfoo-dev is the standard |
| 14:23.03 | yates | the ones with the library header files and whatnot? |
| 14:23.11 | yates | ah. thanks themill |
| 14:23.21 | mjau^ | I mean, what does actually "tzdata-java : epends: tzdata (= 2014j-0wheezy1) but 2015f-0+deb7u1 is to be installed" mean? |
| 14:23.28 | themill | (where foo is the so name) |
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| 14:23.29 | mjau^ | *depends |
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| 14:23.54 | karlpinc | TheWarden: "timer files"? |
| 14:24.01 | TheWarden | mmm I suppose I could have a cronjob that runs find this service and some how checks the duration running for and if equal or greater then desired duration stop the service. |
| 14:24.06 | Ghostbird | mjau^: It is dependent on a specific older version of tzdata, but a newer version is going to be installed, probably because other stuff depends on it. |
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| 14:24.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
| 14:24.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to get my new radeon videocard to work |
| 14:24.30 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well I was thinking that too but I don't see anything in the man pages in systemd.timer regarding this |
| 14:24.34 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Just use an at job that runs N minutes later that kills the service. |
| 14:24.35 | kurt_ | Ghostbird: Hmm ok, think I might have to stick with what I have for now then and hope that later the testing branch uses the newer version I need or just use the nvidia installer and forget my intel card for the time being. DOn't think I have enough technical knowhow to build the driver from source to work with bumblebee or whatever lol |
| 14:24.36 | mjau^ | Ghostbird: uh ok, but, "is going to be installed"? |
| 14:24.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | i installed the drivers, and i see the module |
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| 14:24.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | but it does not see my screens.. |
| 14:24.52 | kurt_ | I'll look into it though, thanks for the help though guys :) |
| 14:25.33 | Ghostbird | mjau^: It calculates what packages need to be installed based on what other packages needed. So it runs into a conflict when it has decided it needs a certain version, but then it turns out another package needs another version. |
| 14:25.34 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well the timer would have to be started after the service is started though some how |
| 14:25.46 | karlpinc | kurt_: FYI You won't see newer stuff show up in jessie, you have to look in jessie-backports. |
| 14:26.08 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Why not start them at the same time, all at once? |
| 14:26.14 | mjau^ | Ghostbird: right, right... I gotta check something out, maybe it's just something obvious I missed! |
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| 14:26.51 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well I suppose I could, that would assume nothing goes wrong in the process... mmm |
| 14:27.40 | karlpinc | TheWarden: systemd seems to be all about assuming that nothing goes wrong. :-P |
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| 14:27.59 | kurt_ | karlpinc: Ahh right ok. I'll keep that in mind. I guess I just enable backports in my package manager settings but then how would I know the difference between the stable stuff and backported stuff when installing or searching for stuff? just so I don't go installing a lot o fbeta stuff thats unstable xD |
| 14:28.30 | TheWarden | karlpinc: not true, it has many features to handle if something goes wrong. Just nothing in regards to my situation though at least that I can find or understand. |
| 14:28.34 | karlpinc | kurt_: You _always_ have to tell apt you want something from backports. So you'll never get newer backported stuff without asking. |
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| 14:29.15 | mjau^ | Ghostbird: ok, yeah, something def _is_ borked with the patch mgmt on "my" end =) |
| 14:29.19 | mjau^ | Ghostbird: thx! |
| 14:29.21 | themill | TheWarden: #systemd might be a better place to ask |
| 14:29.39 | lexvegas | morning, all. I've just installed debian-goodies on a Debian testing server to try to run the checkreboot command. after installing, I can't run the program. I downloaded the source for the installed version and the python script is definitely there. any ideas what to check? curretnly on Installed: 0.64 and there are no related bugs on the website |
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| 14:30.04 | TheWarden | karlpinc: ahh yes maybe I didn't know of such a channel. Cool, thanks. mmm ExecStartPost would execute my script to start the timer ... |
| 14:30.20 | kurt_ | oh right. Sorry for a noob question again, how do I tell it I want the backported version? and whats the best way to check the bumblebee-nvidia version like how you did earlier further up in the chat |
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| 14:31.12 | lexvegas | kurt_: you want to check your currently installed version? |
| 14:31.13 | karlpinc | kurt_: RTFM at backports.debian.org |
| 14:31.17 | mjau^ | another thing that really confuses me is this: if I do apt-cache showpkg tzdata, it says I have two versions installed |
| 14:31.23 | Ghostbird | kurt_: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 14:31.24 | mjau^ | I mean, what? =) |
| 14:31.41 | karlpinc | kurt_: I talked to the judd bot. Try "/msg judd help" to get started with judd. |
| 14:31.43 | themill | lexvegas: checkrestart? |
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| 14:31.52 | kurt_ | lexvegas: No, just wanted to know how to check the version currently available in backports, since I'm using the stable version :) and then how to install from backports to upgrade my driver version :P |
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| 14:32.07 | lexvegas | themill: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/debian-goodies |
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| 14:32.10 | karlpinc | kurt_: Alternate, packages.debian.org has a search function. |
| 14:32.22 | kurt_ | Thanks for the link Ghostbird and thanks for the info karlpinc I'll give it a go :) |
| 14:32.32 | karlpinc | kurt_: And backports.debian.org has a list of backported packages. |
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| 14:32.39 | kurt_ | karlpinc: ahh right ok :) |
| 14:32.54 | lexvegas | other utils from that package do work, btw |
| 14:33.00 | nighter | Hi I want to calculate the real free memory on a system excluding filesystem cache( I guess I need to do that to be accurate? ) Would this formula be correct? memory.free + buffers.used + buffers.free = Free memory? |
| 14:33.02 | lexvegas | i can do check-enhancements |
| 14:33.54 | themill | lexvegas: it's in /usr/sbin (and you might find needrestart is better these days) |
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| 14:34.24 | Ghostbird | Anyone in the meantime that knows something about my issue? I'm trying to configure a debian machine as Active Directory Domain Controller. To make it work correctly, the DNS entry for controller.ad.registereddomain.com must resolve to itself. I have set the machine to be its own primary DNS controller, and to use the router as secondary DNS controller. However when I do host -t A controller.ad.registereddomain.com, the answer is the worldwide IP for r |
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| 14:35.21 | bugnuts | does anyone know the package i need to install to make debian play rather than download a raw .mp4 file i thought it was libgstreamer but it cant find the package |
| 14:35.30 | bugnuts | err with, icefox |
| 14:35.49 | lexvegas | themill: thanks, I can invoke it with the full path, maybe a bug with it not being usable by default? or is that maybe intended |
| 14:36.27 | themill | it's only really usable by root |
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| 14:37.23 | karlpinc | Ghostbird: Well then, if your dns is returning the wrong IP, your DNS setup is wrong. Although you can't just look at dns either, you need to know what the resolver thinks -- regardless of whether that uses dns. So "getent hosts controller.ad.registereddomain.com". |
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| 14:37.35 | lexvegas | themill: hmm, it works fine from anywhere when I su to root |
| 14:37.44 | lexvegas | maybe just a sudo/tmux thing |
| 14:37.56 | themill | sure, sbin is not normally in a user's PATH |
| 14:38.06 | lexvegas | ah, yeah. that does it |
| 14:38.15 | lexvegas | thanks for the reminder |
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| 14:40.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys can you help i got a new ati radeon card from amd |
| 14:40.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i can't get xrandr to start the monitors what am i doing wrong |
| 14:40.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | details ehre |
| 14:41.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/7eNs1p5C |
| 14:41.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | do i need an xorg that is spelled out or does the auto stuff work? |
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| 14:44.50 | Ghostbird | karlpinc: That just lists the hosts file entry which I've set to the LAN IP of the machine. |
| 14:45.35 | Ghostbird | That's what I want to get as IP-address. But when I do host -t A ... or nslookup ... I get the external IP. |
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| 14:51.26 | bumbar_ | i want ssh to use key and password; i have to create keys on client side, upload public one to server, and add "PubkeyAuthentication yes" and "AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys" to sshd_config on the server, right? any other steps? |
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| 14:52.46 | Ghostbird | bumbar_: Sounds about right. |
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| 14:54.49 | karlpinc | Ghostbird: Your box always uses the resolver. What it sees is what "getent hosts" returns. |
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| 14:55.10 | karlpinc | Ghostbird: (I suppose there might be some apps that do their own dns lookups....) |
| 14:55.16 | bumbar_ | Ghostbird, when i'm creating keys, do i have to specify username/hostname? they're different on client and server |
| 14:56.18 | jelly | bumbar_: um, those are the default settings and auth via keys or via passwords should Just Work for normal users by default on Debian |
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| 15:00.14 | bumbar_ | i did all the steps, and when i tried sshing, it asked me for key passphrase (only once though), and it doesn't ask for password |
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| 15:17.08 | nrzkt | Hi, i experienced a strange problem with my debian preseed installations since debian 8.2 was released.... i make LV on my virtual machines and i cannot install new systems due to the following error: "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in LVM VGSYS, LV lv_slash at / failed" . If i try from console mount -t ext4 /dev/VGSYS/lv_slash /mnt i have a nosuch device error... WTF ! |
| 15:17.14 | nrzkt | does somebody experienced this ? |
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| 15:18.27 | bumbar_ | ntz, i don't know of any tools, but format looks simple enough |
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| 15:19.09 | ntz | format is terrible, if you want to split it, there's no simple point to grab ... |
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| 15:49.35 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 15:50.52 | Guest79742 | hey all |
| 15:50.57 | johnfg | question about vncviewer: how can I get the screen to size to my remote display? |
| 15:51.49 | johnfg | In remmina, it's available through an icon at the top. But as I'm running mate, i don't have remmina, but am using vncviewer. F8 doesn't list it as an option that I saw. |
| 15:52.17 | Guest79742 | i have a amd FX(tm) quad core, will debian run on my pc |
| 15:52.21 | Guest79742 | ? |
| 15:52.33 | Guest79742 | i didnt find it in the website |
| 15:53.03 | cra1g321 | yes |
| 15:53.04 | towo` | why should it not run? |
| 15:53.30 | Guest79742 | the website says i should look in the ports section |
| 15:53.33 | Guest79742 | cant find it |
| 15:53.52 | towo` | this is a simple x86 cpu |
| 15:53.59 | towo` | no need for any port |
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| 15:55.08 | Guest79742 | AMD FX(tm)-4300 Quad-Core Processor 3.80GHz |
| 15:55.12 | Guest79742 | realy? |
| 15:55.45 | towo` | what is your problem? |
| 15:55.56 | towo` | install the amd64 version and be happy |
| 15:56.07 | Guest79742 | hm ok |
| 15:56.14 | McErroneous | Hi, how do i emit a command to cancel all pending connections without shutting down the interface ? |
| 15:56.51 | nrzkt | Guest79742, my FX 8350 run well on archlinux i hope it work on debian jessie :p |
| 15:57.54 | nrzkt | found the issue for my Preseed installation problem. Debian 8.0 installer doesn't work for Debian 8.3 preseed... GG |
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| 15:58.27 | Guest79742 | is archlinux easy to install? |
| 15:58.42 | nkuttler | Guest79742: you're in #debian |
| 15:58.43 | Guest79742 | ive heard you must install the gui yourself |
| 15:58.48 | Guest79742 | oh sorry |
| 15:58.58 | nrzkt | yes you need but it's not very difficult |
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| 16:00.18 | Krakakanok | is dificult to install Guest79742 |
| 16:00.35 | Krakakanok | by a newbie in linux |
| 16:00.35 | Guest79742 | i see |
| 16:00.41 | Guest79742 | i never installed linux |
| 16:00.59 | Guest79742 | im already taking ages becouse of the verification thing |
| 16:01.00 | Krakakanok | debian is more easy to install |
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| 16:01.31 | Guest79742 | i see thanks |
| 16:01.41 | Guest79742 | are there game projects to work on? |
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| 16:02.30 | Guest79742 | brb |
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| 16:13.06 | wewlad | hi |
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| 16:13.54 | wewlad | can I just delete a log file and have no fear there won't be any problems re-creating it by any program that will attempt to write to it next time |
| 16:13.55 | wewlad | ? |
| 16:14.20 | TomTomTosch | nope. |
| 16:14.42 | wewlad | well, that sux then :( |
| 16:14.47 | TomTomTosch | you should recreate it if you delete it ;D |
| 16:14.48 | nrzkt | Guest79742: minutest |
| 16:14.50 | nrzkt | minetest* |
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| 16:15.07 | Iridos | McErroneous, how does one "cancel" a connection? |
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| 16:19.30 | Iridos | wewlad, the ones that are -rw-r--r--/root ... probably |
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| 16:27.23 | rgr | totally depends on the log file. |
| 16:27.45 | Iridos | sure |
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| 16:28.12 | Iridos | but if they're root-owned and only root-writable, the daemon should at least be able to re-create it |
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| 16:29.51 | rattking | wewlad thats very much dependant on the program.. if you loot into the logrotate rules you will see that some services are restarted after a log rotates.. if you must do that you could try blanking the file with 'echo "" >logfile" |
| 16:30.04 | rattking | s/loot/look/ |
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| 16:30.44 | wewlad | rattking: thx, I just blanked the file instead |
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| 16:31.21 | okee | Does anyone know of a good plugin for Chromium that would allow me to block advertising spam? I am getting hit with a lot of ads these days. |
| 16:33.16 | dury | hi there channel .-9 |
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| 16:33.32 | McErroneous | Iridos, what kind of a question is that, are you seeking an serious answer ? |
| 16:34.08 | wewlad | okee: adblock+? |
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| 16:34.21 | wewlad | uBlock |
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| 16:35.56 | okee | wewland> What is the command for searching the debian library for adblock+? I forgot it and I am a bit rusty. |
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| 16:36.26 | TomTomTosch | chrome has its own app store. |
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| 16:37.03 | blind | okee: take a look into uBlock :) |
| 16:37.46 | okee | blind> Do you recall what the apt command is for searching the Debian library? |
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| 16:38.11 | blind | okee: for adblock? you do that through the chrome store |
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| 16:38.24 | dontknow | okee, use iceweasel and install xul-ext-adblock-plus |
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| 16:39.15 | dontknow | chromium is not your friend |
| 16:39.49 | teraflops | ublock origin is for ff/iceweasel too |
| 16:40.25 | teraflops | also chromium is not your friend sounds silly as hell, since ff is pure rubish this days |
| 16:40.27 | dontknow | use request policy with noscript :p |
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| 16:41.00 | teraflops | even iexpoirer 11 is safer than ff this days |
| 16:41.06 | dontknow | teraflops, chromium downloaded a blob spy on users recently |
| 16:41.09 | teraflops | iexplorer* |
| 16:41.25 | dontknow | safer? |
| 16:41.34 | teraflops | i soaw the bur report in debian no sure about that |
| 16:41.41 | teraflops | dontknow: yeah safer |
| 16:41.52 | dontknow | why? |
| 16:42.00 | teraflops | saw* damnit sorry in on the phone |
| 16:42.20 | dontknow | what? |
| 16:42.32 | dontknow | you mean it is safer on phone? |
| 16:42.48 | teraflops | dontknow: e.g look at how many cve has and take your own conclusions |
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| 16:43.06 | teraflops | safer everywhere |
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| 16:43.09 | dury | hi towo`, how are you' |
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| 16:43.43 | dontknow | teraflops, but internet explorer is closed source and they have no obligation to release the vulnerablities |
| 16:43.47 | dury | towo`, busy |
| 16:44.04 | TheWarden | Is there a way to disable the command prompt and output on tty only? I just want it blank/black. |
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| 16:46.42 | towo` | dury, do i know you? |
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| 16:48.00 | teraflops | dontknow: sorry. I meant I'm on the phone and that's the reason of my typos |
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| 16:48.45 | dontknow | teraflops, no problem |
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| 16:50.13 | dontknow | ban chromium from debian |
| 16:50.16 | dury | towo`, well you've helped me the other time to configure nvidia card, remember? |
| 16:50.33 | towo` | not realy |
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| 16:51.37 | dury | towo`, all right never mind... i remembered that thougth |
| 16:52.09 | dury | thougth - though |
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| 16:53.36 | dury | towo`, anyway how do you doing there |
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| 16:54.08 | towo` | idling |
| 16:54.28 | dury | towo`, what's that |
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| 16:55.39 | teraflops | dury: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle |
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| 16:56.48 | dury | towo`, teraflops, i see |
| 16:57.39 | dury | be back in five minutes |
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| 16:58.17 | ASalih | I am a new user. I have a (simple, probably) question about bumblebee. Here is my desc and lspci output on a pastebin since it is a bit long: http://paste.debian.net/plain/374950 Thank you. |
| 16:59.40 | teraflops | nooo just idle with us ... |
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| 17:01.38 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Can you explain more? |
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| 17:02.50 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well I need the tty to be blank/black with no output or visible text. I have an console application the runs over top and if by chance something goes wrong I don't want people to see it. |
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| 17:03.18 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I have most output that I know being sent to tty9.... I can explain more on that if you want. |
| 17:04.03 | karlpinc | TheWarden: You want a tty on the console that does nothing at all, ever? |
| 17:04.38 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well with the exception of my application running on tty other wise nothing else. |
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| 17:05.25 | TheWarden | karlpinc: think of it as a dummy terminal that takes no input... if it did need input for technical issues that is what tty2...9 etc. are for. |
| 17:05.56 | karlpinc | TheWarden: I used to know how to do that with /etc/inittab, but now systemd has taken over. You'd need to tell systemd to run your app on a tty, like it does with a getty but using your app instead. |
| 17:06.28 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I did this, thus far to direct consoles messages and adjust verbosity.... sed -i 's/console=tty1/console=tty9 loglevel=3/g' cmdline.txt.template |
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| 17:07.10 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well I have it running at boot time using systemd service/timer files. |
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| 17:08.10 | karlpinc | TheWarden: My system does not have the file: cmdline.txt.template |
| 17:08.42 | TheWarden | karlpinc: ops sorry I mean cmdline.txt... that is what is done for Raspberry Pi with Debian armhf |
| 17:09.33 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Dunno. I'd look at how systemd runs gettys and attaches them to ttys and do the same with your app. |
| 17:10.19 | TheWarden | karlpinc: mmm really... so I wouldn't start my application then using systemd unit files then? interesting.. |
| 17:10.23 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Or rather, attaches them to vts. |
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| 17:10.48 | karlpinc | TheWarden: I'd think there's a unit file that runs gettys for systemd. |
| 17:11.23 | TheWarden | karlpinc: ahh okay, thanks. I'll talk about those specifics in systemd then. |
| 17:11.27 | TheWarden | karlpinc: do you happen to know how to disable blank screen, powersave, powerdown for the console? I use to do this with kbd package but is that necessary? |
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| 17:12.00 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Nope. (Ask the channel....) |
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| 17:13.37 | nootan | Hi. I just installed debian/testing and I'm on xfce. Any ideas for managing Wireless Networks? |
| 17:14.02 | cra1g321 | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 17:14.20 | nootan | Installed that. How do I configure it? |
| 17:14.32 | cra1g321 | get reading :) |
| 17:14.40 | teraflops | read the fine wiki ;) |
| 17:14.40 | nootan | cannot seem to find nm-applet ? |
| 17:14.42 | karlpinc | urg. Many find networkmanager to be a headace. |
| 17:15.05 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well that is general and nothing to do with systemd though. |
| 17:15.17 | cra1g321 | nootan , install network-manager-gnome which will give you the applet |
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| 17:15.20 | teraflops | karlpinc: nah, I think is easy this days |
| 17:15.43 | nootan | cra1g321: thanks! will do so |
| 17:15.43 | cra1g321 | i've used it since ubuntu 9.10 days, never any issues |
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| 17:16.33 | cra1g321 | also read the part "Enabling Interface Management" on the wiki page |
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| 17:17.42 | teraflops | cra1g321: also nmtui is a nice cli app |
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| 17:20.21 | nootan | cra1g321: working like charm! |
| 17:21.05 | nootan | btw, why does apt-show-versions not work? |
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| 17:22.35 | j_ | I made a graphic in inkscape, then I bought another laptop, installed inkscape, and edited that same file, and I don't have as many fonts. So I went and installed many fonts but its still not showing more fonts |
| 17:23.13 | j_ | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ moved? |
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| 17:23.31 | curvv | hi what does "manual" mean in /etc/interfaces? i used to use either "dhcp" or "static". this is set to "manual" andd gets address from dhcp. |
| 17:23.44 | teraflops | j_: i dont understand the "its still not showing more fonts " statement |
| 17:23.45 | curvv | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.46 | zykotick9 | j_: did you refresh your font cache? and/or restart xorg? good luck. |
| 17:24.16 | j_ | teraflops, like in the drop down menu for text, it shows all the fonts. |
| 17:24.31 | j_ | zykotick9, oh, gotta restart xorg eh, thx |
| 17:24.36 | j_ | brb |
| 17:24.40 | zykotick9 | j_: maybe... |
| 17:24.49 | j_ | I will try that, brb |
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| 17:25.41 | curvv | ok never mind i got it, thanks |
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| 17:26.03 | teraflops | you meant in inkscape? |
| 17:26.10 | j_ | teraflops, yes |
| 17:26.16 | teraflops | yeah restart xorg |
| 17:26.25 | jjj--- | I just logged out and back and |
| 17:26.27 | jjj--- | same |
| 17:26.53 | jjj--- | what is the package name for the extra fonts, maybe I didn't install them correctly, oh yeah, there was a sources issue. |
| 17:27.09 | TheWarden | can setterm only affect a specific tty? |
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| 17:27.32 | cra1g321 | jjj---, https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
| 17:27.32 | jjj--- | http://ftp.ca.debian.org is moved or something |
| 17:27.57 | jjj--- | cra1g321, thx |
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| 17:28.11 | cra1g321 | also the ca mirror is working fine here in chromium |
| 17:28.46 | jjj--- | Err http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 i386 2.4.8-2, 404 Not Found [IP: 207.210.46.249 80] |
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| 17:30.14 | jjj--- | nevermind, works now, did update and fixed it |
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| 17:30.32 | cra1g321 | you can always use packages.debian.org to check things out |
| 17:30.47 | jjj--- | ok got the fonts now too. thx guys |
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| 17:33.41 | Lima- | anyone willing to help me out, im unable to install nearly every package i want |
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| 17:34.16 | Lima- | keep getting "held broken packages" but apt-mark showhold keeps comming back empty |
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| 17:34.52 | greycat | Try "apt-get -f install" first, and if that doesn't help, tell us how you broke your sources.list. |
| 17:35.04 | Lima- | tried -f |
| 17:35.16 | Lima- | i wish i knew wtf i did to my sources.list |
| 17:35.33 | Lima- | ive tried aptitude -f install aswell |
| 17:36.25 | markybob | Lima-, pastebin your sources |
| 17:36.33 | cra1g321 | aptitude search '~ahold' will show you packages that are set to hold |
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| 17:37.02 | greycat | I think in this case it's saying they're broken, not held. |
| 17:37.26 | Lima- | it says hold, but its not working |
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| 17:37.45 | Lima- | ive searched all over for held packages but no luck |
| 17:37.50 | Lima- | going to post pastebin |
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| 17:39.45 | Lima- | pastebin.com/aAjsvzns |
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| 17:40.26 | markybob | Lima-, yeah, you broke it alright |
| 17:40.31 | Lima- | LOL |
| 17:40.45 | greycat | What is ajenti.org? |
| 17:40.49 | markybob | !tell Lima- about sources.list |
| 17:41.01 | Lima- | web control panel |
| 17:41.16 | markybob | Lima-, look at what the bot /msg'd you |
| 17:41.32 | greycat | Well, it looks like you *commented out* your regular repositories instead of just adding that new one. |
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| 17:41.40 | Lima- | i clear my file and throw those 3 into it? |
| 17:42.06 | markybob | Lima-, yes. you can try to keep the web control...i don't know what that is or if it'll break things. try though |
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| 17:42.45 | greycat | I would definitely remove the CD-ROM entries in any case. |
| 17:42.47 | markybob | Lima-, then obviously apt-get update |
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| 17:45.56 | cra1g321 | Lima-, cleaned things up for you http://paste.debian.net/375368/ |
| 17:46.57 | Lima- | merci cra1g! |
| 17:47.23 | julio | Hi! I installed my debian 8 jessie a week ago. When I use the sound configuration just left or right it's ok, but in a center does not work very well. Can anyone help me |
| 17:47.24 | julio | ? |
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| 17:49.24 | Lima- | perfect, thanks guys its no longer spitting errors out! |
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| 17:55.35 | wulllst | i wrote a shell script for making screenshots, which is meant to be integrated in the Debian wiki's Openbox page (Openbox doesn't provide a screenshot option out of the box). Could anyone have a look and verify it's nice and clean and not potentially harmful? i mean, it works fine, but extra checks won't hurt. Find it here: http://paste.debian.net/375390/ |
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| 17:56.05 | greycat | is your shell script more complex than #!/bin/sh scrot |
| 17:56.29 | wulllst | greycat: yes. it's meant to be an alternative to scrot, using imagemagick import. |
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| 17:56.55 | wulllst | greycat: maybe i should add that i'm still sort of a beginner in shells cripting. |
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| 17:58.05 | markybob | wulllst, you're in the wrong place. this channel isn't for general scripting. try #bash |
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| 17:59.14 | greycat | #bash will still ask why you are reinventing the wheel |
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| 17:59.39 | markybob | true |
| 17:59.54 | wulllst | greycat: i could answer that. |
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| 18:01.48 | metnel | Hey guys, I was interested in enabling passwordless login in lightdm, I was wondering if the way described in arch wiki is true for debian (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_interactive_passwordless_login) |
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| 18:04.13 | dontknow | metnel, possibly |
| 18:05.19 | metnel | dontknow: I'm using that method on my archbox, however the pam file on debian is a bit different. I guess I will just try for a while and see if something breaks :) |
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| 18:07.37 | dontknow | i was wondering why the desktop is on tty7 on debian default install and on tty1 on minimal install |
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| 18:08.00 | Iridos | metnel, I wonder when autologin ever makes sense, though |
| 18:08.03 | dontknow | is it related to security? |
| 18:08.33 | metnel | Iridos: when you have a family machine and want to protect sudo only :) |
| 18:09.02 | Iridos | metnel, even then... doesn't pm-hibernate make more sense than a shutdown? |
| 18:09.38 | metnel | dontknow: DM usually start on tty7, I'm pretty sure it is because of sysvinit. |
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| 18:09.55 | metnel | Iridos: hibernate still work for me. on arch at least |
| 18:10.05 | dontknow | metnel, thanks |
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| 18:10.38 | Iridos | metnel, yes... but then one never needs to login anyway... |
| 18:10.43 | dontknow | arch is headache |
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| 18:11.04 | edoardo | Hello, i have an issue with my server |
| 18:11.15 | edoardo | tar: Python-3.5.1/Lib/test/relimport.py: Cannot write: No space left on device |
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| 18:11.19 | metnel | Iridos: oh, now I see your point! I never thought of that to be honest. |
| 18:11.26 | edoardo | however, simfs 2097152 598816 1498336 29% / |
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| 18:11.35 | metnel | dontknow: arch is fun. |
| 18:11.48 | dontknow | metnel, debian is boring :p |
| 18:12.01 | edoardo | wait what |
| 18:12.20 | dontknow | gnewsense, only rms uses it |
| 18:12.23 | metnel | dontknow: not really, you can make it fun :) actually debootstrap can make the installation the same as arch |
| 18:13.09 | j_ | I remember there was a package to install that loaded tons of more fonts to use with inkscape, anyone know? |
| 18:14.07 | dontknow | j_, is it inkspace dependency? |
| 18:14.15 | Iridos | j_, apt-cache search fonts | grep fonts ? |
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| 18:14.55 | j_ | dontknow, no, inkscape will use any/all system fonts I'm sure |
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| 18:14.59 | j_ | Iridos, thx |
| 18:15.02 | edoardo | Ok, looks like my vps has a tmpfs on /tmp for some reason |
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| 18:15.10 | edoardo | which is a ridicolous value like 71mb |
| 18:15.18 | Iridos | j_, mathematica-fonts ttf-mscorefonts-installer <--- those are probably the bigger packages |
| 18:15.19 | edoardo | how can i fix that? |
| 18:15.33 | greycat | edoardo: umount /tmp ? |
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| 18:15.54 | edoardo | let's see |
| 18:15.59 | koollman | isn't 71MB enough ? :) |
| 18:16.00 | wulllst | greycat: btw, try taking two screenshots with scrot within the same second. you'll get only one since the first one will be overwritten. |
| 18:16.12 | edoardo | kooldavi: for building python, nope |
| 18:16.13 | Iridos | 640K should be enough for anyone! |
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| 18:16.24 | akv-dev | Greetings everyone, I have a VPS on which I properly run an OpenVPN server and an Apache2 server. The challenge is to make the VPS forwards the traffic of an specific path to a certain machine (10.0.0.2). I've tried to solve via Apache's "Alias" with <Directory> to 10.0.0.2 . But I got a 403 error (Forbidden). I've tried with iptables, making a <virtualhost> on Apache for port 8080 and forwarding the traffic to 10.0.0.2. But I've failed. Anyone wi |
| 18:16.24 | akv-dev | th a good solution? Thanks in advance |
| 18:16.26 | metnel | edoardo: that is part of the chance, systemd does that if -> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd#.2Ftmp_is_now_in_tmpfs |
| 18:16.34 | metnel | *change |
| 18:16.36 | greycat | wulllst: I've never needed to do that, but that's fair. You can also specify the output filename for scrot. |
| 18:16.52 | dontknow | Iridos, you accept microsoft eula to install mscorefonts? |
| 18:16.53 | edoardo | "That means it will be emptied on every boot and its size will be limited to 50% of the system's RAM size." |
| 18:16.59 | Iridos | wtf is "toilet-fonts" |
| 18:17.02 | edoardo | mate i have 128mb of ram how i'm supposed to live with that :D |
| 18:17.13 | dontknow | i bet their fonts have spying "feature" |
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| 18:17.18 | Iridos | dontknow, I accept *anything* to install something... just like everyone else, you should know that :) |
| 18:17.32 | metnel | edoardo: lol, I didn't say that you would :) |
| 18:17.40 | edoardo | heh :) |
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| 18:17.46 | edoardo | looks like it's working |
| 18:18.08 | edoardo | the mission is to run a telegram bot + postgresql on a 3$/year vps |
| 18:18.08 | edoardo | :D |
| 18:18.37 | metnel | edoardo: oh wow, good luck with that man. |
| 18:19.07 | teraflops | edoardo: you can, i do a full email+antispam system with 128M of ram |
| 18:19.11 | edoardo | 3gb hdd, 128mb di ram and 512gb of transfer |
| 18:19.11 | j_ | Iridos, thx |
| 18:19.22 | koollman | edoardo: that's reaelly cheap. |
| 18:19.44 | edoardo | i guess they give you 512gb being confident that you're not gonna be able to reach it just by sharing 3gb of data heh :D |
| 18:19.53 | j_ | Iridos, thx |
| 18:20.08 | edoardo | koollman: doesn't have IPv4 tho, only a port range on a shared ip |
| 18:20.09 | metnel | is it actually a vps? or a container? |
| 18:20.16 | zykotick9 | Iridos: re:wft is "toilet-fonts" they are for toilet, the ascii-art-like text font program... |
| 18:20.25 | koollman | edoardo: ah, that's a bit more restrictive |
| 18:20.27 | edoardo | but you get a couple of IPv6 addresses |
| 18:20.42 | edoardo | and also you can virtual host on port 80 to host your website |
| 18:20.49 | koollman | edoardo: which hosting service is that ? |
| 18:20.58 | Iridos | zykotick9, that's a relief... |
| 18:21.00 | edoardo | koollman: http://lowendspirit.com/ |
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| 18:22.36 | edoardo | looks like 128mb of ram isn't enough for compiling |
| 18:22.49 | metnel | edoardo: lol, compiling? you are really pushing it |
| 18:22.55 | dontknow | Iridos, i don't accept |
| 18:23.08 | edoardo | i need to put python 3.5.1 on this vps in some way :D |
| 18:23.18 | Iridos | dontknow, it's ok as long as you don't read the stuff |
| 18:23.30 | dontknow | you sold your soul to them :| |
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| 18:23.47 | wulllst | greycat: also, i found that scrot doesn't give you a crosshair cursor when in window select mode. import does, so it's a little bit nicer. but you're right. it's nothing super important. |
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| 18:23.59 | edoardo | i have 19 processes |
| 18:24.02 | edoardo | i need to bring it down |
| 18:24.22 | metnel | edoardo: building the package on a local host sounds like the way to go... |
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| 18:24.37 | edoardo | metnel: (shh.. it's part of the challenge) |
| 18:24.41 | Iridos | dontknow, hoho, the joke's on them, my soul already belongs to google |
| 18:25.08 | Iridos | dontknow, anyway --> #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:25.20 | dontknow | Iridos, i am waiting for brain implant |
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| 18:25.45 | dontknow | because i am a rational person lol |
| 18:26.00 | ng_ | hello everyone... dontknow why are you rational ? |
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| 18:26.15 | greycat | he is expressible as the ratio of two integers |
| 18:26.31 | edoardo | i'm pretty low on ram |
| 18:26.33 | dontknow | ng_, i don't believe soul. it is a joke |
| 18:26.39 | edoardo | let's see if it actually compiles to an end |
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| 18:27.32 | metnel | skeptical |
| 18:27.37 | edoardo | ... and here it goes the memory :( |
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| 18:28.14 | herrkin | hi community I have a silly problem |
| 18:28.26 | Iridos | that is good, we have lots of silly solutions |
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| 18:28.39 | herrkin | I bought a vps, it came with centos, I reinstalled the os |
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| 18:28.48 | herrkin | so now it has debian minimal |
| 18:28.54 | herrkin | I installed apache, php, all of that |
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| 18:29.02 | herrkin | I can see the page using the ip |
| 18:29.09 | herrkin | but I cannot use the domain name |
| 18:29.14 | herrkin | how do I fix that? |
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| 18:29.28 | greycat | Sounds like you messed up the virtual host configs in apache. |
| 18:29.34 | edoardo | ^^ this |
| 18:29.50 | herrkin | I didnt mess it up, it just not created |
| 18:29.50 | greycat | That's *especially* easy to do if you're trying to configure jessie (apache 2.4) as if it were apache 2.2 or earlier. |
| 18:30.03 | teraflops | herrkin: assuming you have the dns' configured properly |
| 18:30.18 | greycat | Yes, teraflops has a good point. Does the hostname actually resolve to your IP? |
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| 18:30.40 | herrkin | hostname=domainname? |
| 18:30.47 | herrkin | it did before I installed debian |
| 18:30.51 | greycat | Yeah, the thing in your URL. What is it? |
| 18:30.59 | herrkin | its marinos.com.ve |
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| 18:31.22 | greycat | That does not resolve for me... looks like it's going to time out eventually with no response. |
| 18:31.26 | teraflops | herrkin: yeah fix your dns :P |
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| 18:32.02 | herrkin | I am not getting it. maybe the dns was configured in the same vps? |
| 18:32.28 | herrkin | because it was pointing to the ip before I hit reinstall os to debian |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | Check with your DNS provider, and make sure everything is corredt. |
| 18:32.31 | metnel | you can edit your host file just to verify that dns is the problem |
| 18:32.54 | teraflops | metnel: nope |
| 18:33.08 | herrkin | I did edit the host file to include marinos.com.ve |
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| 18:33.20 | greycat | That would have to be done on every computer in the world... |
| 18:33.25 | herrkin | yeah |
| 18:33.59 | metnel | teraflops: why so? |
| 18:34.00 | teraflops | herrkin: if you own the domain name go where you bought it and create at least an A record |
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| 18:34.15 | herrkin | ok |
| 18:34.29 | teraflops | it has to be there a DNS whatever configuration tool |
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| 18:34.58 | ng_ | hello everyone is someone here a debian dev ? |
| 18:35.02 | herrkin | I have a reverse dns option |
| 18:35.15 | nkuttler | ng_: what would you ask them? |
| 18:35.17 | herrkin | but when I try to configure it it says admin hasnt activated it yet |
| 18:35.35 | greycat | You need to get in touch with this provider, then. |
| 18:35.44 | herrkin | thats weird, as I said before I could ping the domain just 30minutes ago |
| 18:35.45 | teraflops | herrkin: in the vps web admin tool? that's not related to your issue |
| 18:36.04 | herrkin | just adding to the info |
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| 18:36.21 | edoardo | rsyncinc between two servers in the same datacenter feels great |
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| 18:38.31 | greycat | These marinos.com.ve name servers are extremely broken for me. |
| 18:39.16 | greycat | host -t NS marinos.com.ve takes AGES, and gives me ns1.marinos.com.ve and ns2.marinos.com.ve, both of which have the *same* IP address, and that name server isn't working at all. |
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| 18:39.20 | herrkin | alright then I will call them |
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| 18:40.01 | BinBasher | eh can anyone confirm that sqlmap is not available with aptitude for jessie? |
| 18:40.07 | greycat | ,v sqlmap |
| 18:40.09 | judd | Package: sqlmap on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.4-1; sid: 0.9.160121-1; stretch: 0.9.160121-1 |
| 18:40.13 | greycat | Yup. |
| 18:40.28 | BinBasher | is it going to be added? or discontinued? |
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| 18:40.51 | greycat | It's not in jessie for whatever reason (I don't know why). Not currently available in jessie-backports either. But it's in sid and stretch. |
| 18:41.22 | markybob | BinBasher, jessie is stable. that means it's not going to be added. jessie only gets security and severe bug fixes |
| 18:41.43 | greycat | The question is whether it's difficult to backport it yourself for some reason. I know nothing about this package. |
| 18:42.00 | metnel | It seems like it shouldn't be too hard, the only dep is python |
| 18:42.35 | Jonnyw2k | Wait if Jessie is stable, what should I be running if I want to be "bleeding edge" ? |
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| 18:42.50 | thebwt | Sid, always Sid for bleeding edge |
| 18:43.00 | markybob | no don't tell him that... hrm |
| 18:43.05 | BinBasher | it's painful^ |
| 18:43.15 | greycat | How heavily do you want to bleed? |
| 18:43.22 | Jonnyw2k | lol ok |
| 18:43.26 | sep | Jonnyw2k, if you want it to mostly work all the time as well, i'd reccomend testing, it is bleeding edge - 14 days. and saves you from most grief |
| 18:43.37 | thebwt | lol |
| 18:43.45 | Jonnyw2k | I want to be "useable" without being outdated |
| 18:43.53 | thebwt | that's 'stable' |
| 18:43.54 | sep | testing then. |
| 18:44.03 | greycat | Testing is not always a smooth ride either. You should have a decent understanding of how to unravel package installation problems before you do it. |
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| 18:44.38 | markybob | Jonnyw2k, and don't come here for testing problems if you do it. we don't want it. you can go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:44.49 | sep | greycat, more like a small scratch... or a bump on the head. hardly bleeding... |
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| 18:45.05 | BinBasher | Jonnyw2k: if you're not busy with other stuff than fixing your computer, sid is the way to go :P |
| 18:45.14 | metnel | /exit/exit |
| 18:45.18 | Jonnyw2k | nah, I don't mind too much, just trying to move away from Ubuntu |
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| 18:45.27 | BinBasher | why? |
| 18:45.48 | Jonnyw2k | Why shouldn't I? |
| 18:45.56 | thebwt | because it does what you want |
| 18:45.57 | dontknow | i understood that latest software is not always the best |
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| 18:46.39 | dontknow | Jonnyw2k, yeah move away from ubuntu. canonical is evil corp. |
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| 18:47.03 | Jonnyw2k | can't tell if sarcasm, or true. |
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| 18:47.35 | edoardo | omg |
| 18:47.35 | dontknow | no sarcasm. they added opt-out spyware in ubuntu |
| 18:47.36 | edoardo | IT WORKS |
| 18:47.46 | edoardo | Python 3.5.1 (default, Jan 27 2016, 15:55:21) |
| 18:47.48 | BinBasher | it's not evil corp. it's just some bacteria |
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| 18:48.33 | Jonnyw2k | dontknow, yeah, I've read a few things that make them sound slightly shady, and I prefer aptitude to yum. |
| 18:48.43 | sep | Jonnyw2k, stable is realy not outdated tho. it might not release every 6 months, but it's very dependable, and you can easily go from stable-> testing, whenever you want in the future when you feel stable is getting long in the tooth... and you can easily stay with stable when testing releases to stable.. that way you do not get the rough periode on testing right after a release. |
| 18:49.14 | greycat | Plus, for the things that *actually* might be out of date (drivers for newer hardware), there are typically backports. |
| 18:49.15 | sep | reccomendation, start with stable. consider going to testing once you see a actual problem |
| 18:49.23 | BinBasher | sep it is outdated |
| 18:49.34 | Jonnyw2k | sep, my Debian is running Kernel 3.16 |
| 18:49.35 | Jonnyw2k | Linux 3.16 Released 3 August, 2014 (56 days) |
| 18:49.42 | greycat | BinBasher: which package is "outdated", and which feature is it lacking that you need? |
| 18:49.49 | markybob | johnny_, and there are kernel backports |
| 18:49.53 | Jonnyw2k | that's nearly 18month old Kernel |
| 18:49.56 | edoardo | Jonnyw2k: Linux edocod 2.6.32-042stab113.11 #1 SMP Fri Dec 18 17:32:04 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:50.00 | greycat | Jonnyw2k: so what? |
| 18:50.00 | edoardo | outdated you say? |
| 18:50.10 | BinBasher | greycat: sqlmap is like a basic thing to have, for me at least |
| 18:50.22 | greycat | edoardo: you do not want to play the "who has the oldest kernel" game with me. |
| 18:50.33 | greycat | BinBasher: then backport the stretch package. |
| 18:50.36 | markybob | !tell Jonnyw2k about backports. that has 4.3 for jessie |
| 18:50.40 | dontknow | Jonnyw2k, it is because you didn't update it |
| 18:50.41 | markybob | ugh |
| 18:50.46 | markybob | !tell Jonnyw2k about backports |
| 18:50.48 | sep | Jonnyw2k, as long as it supports your hardware what is the problem ? i admint i have a backport kernel on a device becouse of lack of hardware support |
| 18:51.00 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 18:51.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 18:51.05 | dontknow | Jonnyw2k, mine is 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) |
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| 18:51.59 | Jonnyw2k | ahh ok, makes more sense, I just kind of assume "newer" is more mature |
| 18:52.00 | greycat | Jonnyw2k: Debian's kernels may have a "smaller number" but they have security patches backported to them. So if the concern is security, that's not a problem. |
| 18:52.11 | jelly | Jonnyw2k: the 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 kernel version is about two weeks old. If yours is 18 months old your system is not patched |
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| 18:53.33 | sep | Jonnyw2k, there are valid reasons for having a newer kernel. most common beeing new hardware support. but if the stable kernel works well, there is very little reason to have a more recent one. .. as long as you are up 2 date on debian's security updates ofcourse |
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| 18:55.09 | Jonnyw2k | Makes sense |
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| 18:56.36 | dontknow | i heard international space station runs debian |
| 18:56.52 | edoardo | dontknow: debian + thinkpads = win |
| 18:57.00 | cra1g321 | dontknow, please move non-support chat to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:04.11 | lrojas | hi all |
| 19:04.41 | lrojas | i am trying to find out how to get bash to use --enable-net-redirections |
| 19:05.14 | lrojas | but my google-foo is failing me, all i can find is that debian does not enable that in the bash they include |
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| 19:05.56 | lrojas | I fount this ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=66352 ) but it's from 2000, i was wondering if anything has changed regarding this |
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| 19:08.29 | greycat | Bash in current versions of Debian has net-redirections enabled. |
| 19:09.23 | foul_owl | Hi folks. Having an problem with thunar. It randomly stops responding to mouse or keyboard input, and stops redrawing |
| 19:09.41 | foul_owl | version 1.6.3, on debian 8 |
| 19:10.04 | greycat | From the changelog... the disable-net-redirections thing was removed in Debian package 4.0-5 in Sep 2009. |
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| 19:13.25 | dontknow | foul_owl, have you tried with different file browsers? |
| 19:13.35 | wsky | will apt-get -y upgrade succeed in case of a certificate error? |
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| 19:14.25 | lrojas | ok |
| 19:14.54 | lrojas | greycat: how can i check that, because my debian bash is acting as if this was not enabled |
| 19:15.34 | greycat | What bash package version? |
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| 19:16.13 | lrojas | # apt-cache show bash |
| 19:16.13 | lrojas | Package: bash |
| 19:16.13 | lrojas | Version: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3 |
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| 19:17.09 | lrojas | greycat: here is the actual filename Filename: pool/main/b/bash/bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3_amd64.deb |
| 19:17.27 | foul_owl | dontknow: nautilus works fine, but I'm using fluxbox for my wm and nautilus doesn't integrate well into that, it's always on top, it uses some "new" window style that doesn't resize |
| 19:17.41 | foul_owl | Also I like thunar more because it's light weight |
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| 19:18.15 | greycat | lrojas: well, you can use this to test it: http://paste.debian.net/375646/ |
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| 19:18.53 | lrojas | yes, i tried that.. it does not work |
| 19:18.59 | lrojas | well , something similar |
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| 19:19.13 | greycat | What did *actually* try? |
| 19:19.17 | greycat | +you |
| 19:19.39 | edoardo | how can i disable systemd's tmpfs? |
| 19:19.46 | greycat | ,v bash |
| 19:19.48 | judd | Package: bash on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; squeeze-security-lts: 4.1-3+deb6u2; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; jessie: 4.3-11+b1; sid: 4.3-14+b1; stretch: 4.3-14+b1 |
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| 19:20.35 | greycat | lrojas: wheezy's bash (which you appear to have) runs it fine for me. |
| 19:20.37 | lrojas | greycat: exec 3<> /dev/tcp/www.ippages.com/80 |
| 19:20.46 | lrojas | this just hangs |
| 19:21.01 | greycat | Then it sounds like a name resolution issue. |
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| 19:21.18 | greycat | If the support were missing from the package you would get a "no such file or directory" type error. |
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| 19:21.53 | greycat | (and that command does not hang for me, on wheezy) |
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| 19:24.13 | Iridos | lrojas, just FYI, apt-cache show will show all packages in the repositories... to see what package version is actually on your system you want dpkg -l bash (or sometimes the output of the program with --version can be even better, depending on the usecase) |
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| 19:25.48 | Iridos | easy enough to test by using an IP? |
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| 19:27.27 | Iridos | foul_owl, you could attach strace to the running PID when that happens and see if that produces something useful |
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| 19:27.54 | wsky | jelly: ping, can you give me an answer |
| 19:27.55 | wsky | ? |
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| 19:28.07 | lrojas | thanks all |
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| 19:33.51 | jelly | wsky: sorry? |
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| 19:44.28 | ectospasm | I have a server with wheezy, and the mysql-server{,-5.5} upgrade fails. Running mysqld_safe --skip-syslog results in a .err file, that says it can't load InnoDB. I'm not aware that I'm running any InnoDB tables in my database, is there a way around this? |
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| 19:59.25 | jordanm | ectospasm: can you post the actual error? what version are you upgrading from? |
| 19:59.38 | jordanm | innodb has been the default engine since 5.0 or 5.1 |
| 20:00.33 | ectospasm | I don't think it's a problem with mysql, I think I'm out of memory. It's a meager VPS that has the problem |
| 20:01.09 | jordanm | if you paste the actual error message, I can help you determine that |
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| 20:02.04 | ectospasm | OK, hold on... |
| 20:02.35 | C2H5OH | hello, does this channel accept questions about .deb packaging? |
| 20:03.20 | ectospasm | jordanm: https://paste.debian.net/375781/ |
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| 20:03.50 | jordanm | C2H5OH: #debian-mentors on oftc is the preferred channel for that, but you are welcome to ask here |
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| 20:04.23 | jordanm | ectospasm: what is the value of innodb_buffer_pool in your mysql config? |
| 20:04.30 | C2H5OH | jordanm: thanks! |
| 20:05.05 | ectospasm | jordanm: I don't have that directive in my.cnf |
| 20:05.37 | jordanm | ectospasm: sorry, innodb_buffer_pool_size |
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| 20:06.17 | ectospasm | jordanm: I don't have any innodb directives in my configuration. |
| 20:06.20 | C2H5OH | my question is, I'm trying to build an application that uses makekit (http://bkoropoff.github.io/makekit/). And the ./configure script requires me to create a subdirectory and build from there (mkdir foo && cd foo && ../configure) |
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| 20:06.35 | C2H5OH | is there a way to still use "dh_auto_configure" with this setup? |
| 20:06.39 | jordanm | ectospasm: how much RAM do you actually have? 128MB appears to be the default |
| 20:07.25 | ectospasm | I only have 512MB total, with 480MB in use right now |
| 20:07.41 | ectospasm | 13MB free |
| 20:07.41 | jordanm | C2H5OH: yeah, something like:\ override_dh_auto_configure: mkdir foo; cd foo; dh_auto_configure |
| 20:07.52 | jordanm | C2H5OH: only actually formatted into make syntax |
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| 20:08.36 | jordanm | ectospasm: if you are sure are not using innodb, you can add skip-innodb to your mysql config |
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| 20:08.47 | jordanm | ectospasm: but as a side not, you should be using innodb... |
| 20:09.00 | ectospasm | I don't know if I am nor not. |
| 20:09.22 | jordanm | myisam doesn't ensure data integrety, doesn't support foreign keys, doesn't support transactions. many things you would expect a db server to have |
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| 20:09.40 | ectospasm | Well, I've got something else to attend to. I'll reboot the VPS and see if that corrects the problem. |
| 20:09.43 | ectospasm | thanks jordanm |
| 20:09.48 | C2H5OH | jordanm: will dh_auto_configure look for ../configure ? |
| 20:10.09 | jelly | jordanm: and innodb_file_per_table ? |
| 20:10.12 | jordanm | C2H5OH: yes |
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| 20:12.35 | C2H5OH | jordanm: it doesn't look like it, it complaints not being able to find debian/control :-( |
| 20:12.59 | jordanm | C2H5OH: dh_auto_configure complains about that? |
| 20:13.13 | C2H5OH | jordanm: my debhelper version is 9.20120115ubuntu3, perhaps is too old |
| 20:13.39 | jordanm | that is pretty old and not even debian, but shouldn't matter for this |
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| 20:14.25 | jordanm | actually, that's not old |
| 20:14.46 | C2H5OH | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/SVaP04Hg |
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| 20:16.01 | jordanm | C2H5OH: guess is does only support running top level configure files. you will have to override and use ./configure instead |
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| 20:16.35 | C2H5OH | jordanm: looks like it, thanks anyway :-) |
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| 20:17.11 | ectospasm | jordanm: yep, a reboot allowed mysql to start. Probably needed to do that anyhow, I think there was a kernel upgrade I hadn't fully applied. |
| 20:17.32 | jordanm | C2H5OH: actually, instead of cd, you can try dh_auto_configure --builddirectory=foo |
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| 20:18.00 | jordanm | ectospasm: your mysql configs still seem bad |
| 20:18.20 | jordanm | ectospasm: it will allow mysql to try to allocate more memory than you have available. if it gets to that point mysql will crash |
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| 20:18.56 | jordanm | 512MB is crazy small for a db server though |
| 20:19.12 | ectospasm | Well, they're probably a carryover from an upgrade from squeeze. |
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| 20:19.52 | jordanm | a free tier ec2 instance has 1GB of RAM |
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| 20:23.55 | C2H5OH | jordanm: that's interesting |
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| 20:27.21 | C2H5OH | jordanm: great! that seems to work, many thanks! |
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| 20:36.02 | de-facto | OpenSSL again? really? oh well: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/high-severity-bug-in-openssl-allows-attackers-to-decrypt-https-traffic/ |
| 20:36.10 | de-facto | Is SID affected by this? |
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| 20:36.28 | greycat | don'tknowdon'tcare |
| 20:36.33 | greycat | We only support stable here. |
| 20:37.13 | cra1g321 | a user that uses Sid yet doesnt know how to check CVE's ? o.O |
| 20:37.14 | greycat | (Also, Sid is not all-caps. It's not an acronym.) |
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| 20:40.03 | abrotman | de-facto: it tells you which versoins are affected .. you can check the debian site to see which versions are in whicih versions of debian |
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| 20:40.39 | de-facto | yes i already did, just wanted to give a heads up on this |
| 20:40.51 | SuperTramp83 | is there a way to force window shadows for the terminal in xfce? I use compton and all windows have shadows except the terminal.. |
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| 20:42.37 | cra1g321 | de-facto, https://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openssl/news/20160128T192320Z.html |
| 20:42.46 | de-facto | it seems stretch and sid users should upgrade from 1.0.2e to 1.0.2f if i read correctly |
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| 20:43.12 | de-facto | cra1g321 ah ok great :) |
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| 20:46.27 | de-facto | https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2016-January/000061.html |
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| 20:46.49 | subz3r0 | good evening folks |
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| 20:47.52 | subz3r0 | i have some issues with rsync. i dont get it why it does not preserve dir ownership user:group. after transfer some directories belong to root. before the belong to to the user |
| 20:48.10 | subz3r0 | e.g /home/user/VirtualBox VMs belongs to root:root now |
| 20:48.33 | greycat | subz3r0: did you use the -a option? |
| 20:48.40 | subz3r0 | yes ofc |
| 20:48.45 | subz3r0 | rsync cmd: sync --numeric-ids --stats --progress -avPh --exclude=/dev/ --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/media/ / /media/backup |
| 20:48.53 | subz3r0 | i ran it as root ofc |
| 20:49.07 | subz3r0 | since the user has no rights to transfer the whole system |
| 20:49.12 | greycat | Does the target file system actually support file ownership (i.e. not a Windows file system)? |
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| 20:49.40 | subz3r0 | both ext4 |
| 20:49.42 | SpaceAce | how can i keep a permanent ssh tunnel open? something that'll reconnect if one machine powers down, etc |
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| 20:50.00 | greycat | SpaceAce: write a systemd service/unit to respawn automatically |
| 20:50.03 | subz3r0 | SpaceAce: if its permantent u dont have to :) |
| 20:50.28 | SpaceAce | subz3r0: persistent would have been the better word |
| 20:50.46 | subz3r0 | if you dont like systemd. write a cronjob |
| 20:50.52 | SpaceAce | i'm looking to set up a persistent ssh tunnel |
| 20:50.53 | subz3r0 | which checks like every 15 minutes if its still open |
| 20:51.01 | SpaceAce | i'm a bit more comfortable with cron |
| 20:51.02 | greycat | if you don't like systemd, install daemontools or runit and use one of those |
| 20:51.10 | subz3r0 | anyone an idea whats wrong with my rsync cmd? |
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| 20:51.18 | greycat | polling with cron is completely lame |
| 20:51.19 | SpaceAce | thanks guys. this has put me in the right direction :) |
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| 20:51.30 | subz3r0 | daemontools? |
| 20:51.35 | subz3r0 | what the? |
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| 20:51.43 | subz3r0 | this is for mounting isos on windows |
| 20:51.45 | greycat | http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 20:51.48 | greycat | Not the Windows crap. |
| 20:51.51 | subz3r0 | or is there another tool called like that for *nix? |
| 20:51.54 | subz3r0 | ahh okay |
| 20:52.05 | subz3r0 | now back to topic please ;) |
| 20:52.10 | SpaceAce | this might be the way to go http://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/ |
| 20:52.10 | subz3r0 | and suggestions what i did wrong? |
| 20:52.28 | subz3r0 | how can folders within the home of the user belong to root after transfer? |
| 20:52.34 | subz3r0 | i dont get it |
| 20:52.47 | subz3r0 | and other still belong to him |
| 20:53.31 | greycat | subz3r0: no idea. I just tested with sudo rsync --numeric-ids --stats --progress -avPh --exclude=/dev/ --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/media/ source dest and ownership was kept. |
| 20:53.37 | subz3r0 | "drwxrwxr-x 4 user user 4,0K Okt 12 2014 VirtualBox VMs" |
| 20:53.49 | subz3r0 | and this will be root:root after transfer |
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| 20:53.59 | greycat | Oh, a space in the dir? I can try that... |
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| 20:54.09 | subz3r0 | greycat: i did not use sudo in front. i like it more with sudo -s |
| 20:54.26 | tdn | SynrGy, I hope so, I have not yet tried it. But put it on my list to (hopefully) do tomorrow |
| 20:54.49 | subz3r0 | greycat: yes a space :) |
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| 20:55.14 | subz3r0 | when u do ls -la it wont show "VirtualBox\ VMs" |
| 20:55.15 | subz3r0 | :p |
| 20:55.24 | greycat | subz3r0: Hmm, if the source is actually a directory (not a file), then I *do* get root:root ownership of the dest, regardless of space in the name. |
| 20:55.41 | greycat | subz3r0: must be one of your options cancelling out some part of the -a |
| 20:56.19 | greycat | Hmm, nope. Even "sudo rsync -a sourcedir dest" gives me root:root. |
| 20:57.04 | subz3r0 | so you got the same issue as i have |
| 20:57.19 | subz3r0 | i dont understand this. since its only for some folders and not for all in /home/user |
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| 20:59.42 | subz3r0 | it also does not preserve the rights for like /var |
| 20:59.47 | subz3r0 | normaly the user can enter it ofc |
| 20:59.56 | subz3r0 | after rsync transfer the user has no rights to enter that dir |
| 21:00.18 | greycat | subz3r0: it does look like a bug... |
| 21:00.22 | subz3r0 | ohh wait |
| 21:00.31 | subz3r0 | lemme check dest rights |
| 21:00.33 | subz3r0 | parent folder... |
| 21:01.05 | subz3r0 | hmm all fine. nothing special: drwx------ user:user |
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| 21:07.34 | greycat | subz3r0: near as I can tell from strace, rsync chdir()s into the root destination directory, and never attempts to fix its permissions. Which is different from how it handles all of the contents. |
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| 21:08.52 | greycat | subz3r0: also, it's calling lchown("sourcedir", 1000, 1000) which confuses me greatly. Should it perhaps be calling lchown("dest"...) instead? |
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| 21:10.29 | greycat | subz3r0: it seems like it's worth filing a bug report on this, if it's actually interfering with your work |
| 21:10.33 | edoardo | hi everyone |
| 21:10.49 | edoardo | i installed the postgresql package and then wanted to remove it |
| 21:11.02 | edoardo | i deleted /etc/postgres to save as much space as possible |
| 21:11.14 | edoardo | now i'd like to reinstall it, but the folder doesn't get recreated anymore |
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| 21:11.37 | greycat | *purge* the package and then reinstall it. |
| 21:11.43 | karlpinc | edoardo: Purge the package, then install. (Assuming you've not got any configs you want to keep.) |
| 21:11.46 | greycat | or ask dpkg about confmiss, but it's really easier to purse |
| 21:11.47 | edoardo | greycat: doesn't work :( |
| 21:11.59 | greycat | edoardo: you can't have tested it that quickly |
| 21:12.10 | edoardo | i've done that before |
| 21:12.21 | edoardo | i always do it with icecast and it works |
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| 21:12.56 | subz3r0 | greycat: another one can reproduce this error too |
| 21:13.00 | subz3r0 | on ubuntu 14.04 |
| 21:13.08 | edoardo | subz3r0: really? |
| 21:13.09 | greycat | I believe you. |
| 21:13.16 | subz3r0 | greycat: please do rsync --version |
| 21:13.24 | greycat | rsync version 3.1.1 protocol version 31 |
| 21:13.28 | subz3r0 | rsync version 3.1.0 protocol version 31 |
| 21:13.32 | greycat | ii rsync 3.1.1-3 amd64 fast, versatile, remote (and loca |
| 21:13.37 | edoardo | oh it's not related to postgres lol |
| 21:14.01 | subz3r0 | edoardo: uhmm? if you tell me what should be "really" maybe i can give u an answer then ;) |
| 21:14.23 | edoardo | subz3r0: got confused, sorry |
| 21:14.25 | subz3r0 | edoardo: i have some issues with folder ownership when backing up a system with rsync |
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| 21:14.56 | edoardo | i somewhat always mess up the folder ownership too with rsync |
| 21:15.02 | greycat | rsync seems to fail to set the ownership of the root destination dir (perhaps it's trying to chown the SOURCE dir by mistake, but that requires further investigation) |
| 21:15.02 | subz3r0 | i say rsync -avP (and some other optios which wont be related to this) and folders under /home/user belong to root:root after transfer on dest side |
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| 21:15.34 | subz3r0 | greycat: you tried it with sudo rsync? |
| 21:15.37 | greycat | yes |
| 21:15.41 | subz3r0 | or get root rights with sudo -s? |
| 21:15.42 | subz3r0 | ahh okay |
| 21:15.54 | greycat | Shouldn't matter whether you used a full-blown shell or not. |
| 21:16.10 | greycat | But if you're reporting it, absolutely give the exact details of what you did. |
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| 21:31.16 | subz3r0 | greycat: now its gettin really weird |
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| 21:31.43 | greycat | Try to simplify. Construct the smallest test case that still generates the error. |
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| 21:31.55 | subz3r0 | another user of #ubuntu-de can reproduce it on two systems with 14.04. another 14.04 hasnt this issue |
| 21:31.56 | greycat | I made a dir with one file in it, and used only the -a flag. |
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| 21:32.09 | greycat | I don't really care about Ubuntu ;-) |
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| 21:32.36 | subz3r0 | ahh cmon |
| 21:32.48 | subz3r0 | if you say this about wincrap.. okay... but its still *nix ;) |
| 21:32.57 | legion151 | hi - someone got 5min |
| 21:33.09 | subz3r0 | what when i say that i have only 3? |
| 21:33.19 | greycat | It's not clear whether "it also breaks on ubuntu" means they copied Debian's package/patches, or it's coming from upstream. |
| 21:33.22 | subz3r0 | just kidding |
| 21:33.24 | subz3r0 | go for it |
| 21:33.28 | legion151 | then i'll try to be fast ;) |
| 21:33.55 | legion151 | just upgraded debian unstable and now the whole system cannot show png-files |
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| 21:34.02 | legion151 | awesome is not starting |
| 21:34.08 | legion151 | xfce4 shows no symbols |
| 21:34.15 | greycat | Which part of "unstable" did you not understand? |
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| 21:34.31 | legion151 | yeah that helps |
| 21:34.45 | towo` | sure it helps alot |
| 21:35.43 | markybob | legion151, it does. also unstable isn't supported here. see /topic. you need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:36.28 | greycat | As an unstable user you are also expected to know how to use the bug tracking system to find existing problems, how to add your own new bugs, etc. |
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| 21:39.28 | legion151 | thx markybob - that really helps - |
| 21:39.28 | legion151 | and sorry for disturbing. |
| 21:39.28 | legion151 | i do know that greycat - just wanted to ask the community in a faster way if the problem is known |
| 21:39.28 | legion151 | again sry for that |
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| 21:51.48 | alesan | hello - after so many years, I have a PC where I would like to install debian |
| 21:52.13 | alesan | so many years, I mean without a x86 or similar, I always installed debina on ARMs lately |
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| 21:53.26 | alesan | what is the recommended way to install Debian on it? I see the full DVD download would be quite big |
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| 21:53.34 | greycat | !netinst |
| 21:53.35 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 21:53.54 | alesan | yes I will have internet connetrcion hopefully |
| 21:53.59 | alesan | the hard part will be to find a blank CD |
| 21:54.05 | alesan | maybe I can use some sort of USB boot? |
| 21:54.10 | greycat | You can also write it to a USB thingy. |
| 21:54.15 | alesan | OK I will try |
| 21:54.24 | markybob | alesan, just cp image.iso /dev/sdx |
| 21:54.37 | alesan | markybob, will that work? |
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| 21:54.48 | markybob | alesan, yes. it's in the installer handbook |
| 21:54.58 | alesan | I find it... surprising. OK thank I will try right away |
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| 22:00.41 | fred`` | when will the updated openssl package be available ? |
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| 22:02.57 | alesan | what happened to SSL? |
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| 22:03.13 | greycat | https://www.openssl.org/news/vulnerabilities.html#y2016 |
| 22:03.32 | wiltors42 | Hi, I'm trying to configure my dual-monitor setup but xrandr isn't detecting my other display... |
| 22:03.37 | greycat | apparently an updated package has already hit unstable(?) but not stable yet |
| 22:03.44 | allizom | fred``: it's in incoming http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/pool/main/o/openssl/ |
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| 22:04.39 | greycat | Huh, actually... reading this, it says affected versions are 1.0.2, 1.0.2a, etc. |
| 22:04.42 | greycat | Stable doesn't have that. |
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| 22:06.39 | de-facto | is there an official list for systemd targets on debian stable? |
| 22:07.29 | subz3r0 | greycat: maybe i found whats wrong. or better got told |
| 22:07.41 | subz3r0 | greycat: did you stopped the transfer before it ended? |
| 22:07.51 | greycat | No. I did not. |
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| 22:08.05 | subz3r0 | i got told that it will fix the permissions and timestamps at the end |
| 22:08.08 | wiltors42 | I get the feeling that the driver I need is AMDGPU |
| 22:08.16 | greycat | It's a single directory with a single 0-length file, so the command completed very quickly. |
| 22:08.38 | greycat | subz3r0: I saw that same stackoverflow (or whatever) page, but it does not seem to apply in my test case. |
| 22:08.54 | subz3r0 | na. i asked in #rsync :) |
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| 22:09.01 | subz3r0 | did not find any good ressource in web |
| 22:09.07 | greycat | As I said, I checked with strace, and saw it doing lchown("sourcedir", 1000, 1000) but never an lchown("dest", 1000, 1000) |
| 22:09.36 | subz3r0 | maybe come over in #rsync and tell BasketCase? :) |
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| 22:11.20 | greycat | subz3r0: http://paste.debian.net/376183/ |
| 22:12.03 | greycat | I've never been in #rsync so I don't know how they handle things, but I know BasketCase from #openssh... |
| 22:12.24 | subz3r0 | may i paste it to him? |
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| 22:13.03 | greycat | yes |
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| 22:14.25 | eolien | salut |
| 22:15.36 | eolien | si je veux rendre une install de debian bootable pxe, il faut que je mette les fichier vmlinuz et initrd sur mon server pxe |
| 22:15.47 | markybob | !fr |
| 22:15.48 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 22:15.56 | eolien | ah ok sorry, didnt see |
| 22:19.19 | subz3r0 | greycat: it worked for me. it changed the timestamps and the ownership correct when ended |
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| 22:19.27 | subz3r0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.38 | subz3r0 | weird, weird |
| 22:19.48 | greycat | Let me try in some place other than /tmp... |
| 22:19.57 | subz3r0 | espeacially since you can reproduce this and you did not hit ctrl +c |
| 22:20.41 | greycat | subz3r0: Same result in /var, which is not sticky like /tmp is. |
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| 22:31.47 | subz3r0 | greycat: create the dstdir with the user first |
| 22:32.31 | greycat | Was that the answer they gave you? |
| 22:32.36 | subz3r0 | yes |
| 22:32.38 | subz3r0 | almost |
| 22:32.48 | greycat | Or are you trying to test to see whether it changes the destdir from user to root? |
| 22:33.19 | subz3r0 | https://bpaste.net/show/e72d07179d97 |
| 22:33.28 | subz3r0 | thats from BaskedCase |
| 22:33.45 | subz3r0 | d/t |
| 22:34.26 | subz3r0 | he said "try using sourcedir/ instead of sourcedir" |
| 22:34.35 | greycat | his must be using a different function than lchown() |
| 22:34.44 | subz3r0 | but the / and the end will tell rsync to create a dir or not withitn the dst dir |
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| 22:35.31 | greycat | subz3r0: amazingly enough, that actually does change the behavior. |
| 22:36.53 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/376229/ |
| 22:37.22 | greycat | lchown(".") instead of lchown("sourcedir") |
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| 22:38.20 | greycat | obviously that trailing / would cause a problem if destdir already exists |
| 22:40.30 | subz3r0 | awww |
| 22:40.30 | greycat | And basketcase's bpaste.net URL doesn't even show the perms on destdir :( |
| 22:40.43 | subz3r0 | cmon greycat /j #rsync |
| 22:40.54 | greycat | Jesus, ... gods, no, it's 40 minutes after time-to-go. |
| 22:40.58 | greycat | sorry |
| 22:40.59 | subz3r0 | <3 |
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| 22:58.54 | arthur_ | ian murdock was a faggot |
| 22:59.07 | arthur_ | that's why god killed him |
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| 23:02.02 | AlreadyInUse | Hi |
| 23:02.04 | arthur_ | go fuck yourself |
| 23:02.07 | AlreadyInUse | No |
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| 23:02.24 | AlreadyInUse | I just got a single question |
| 23:02.31 | arthur_ | the answer is no |
| 23:02.35 | TomTomTosch | go on. ignore the troll pls. |
| 23:02.40 | AlreadyInUse | ;| |
| 23:02.55 | teraflops | AlreadyInUse: is not for you ;) |
| 23:03.01 | AlreadyInUse | okie |
| 23:03.03 | teraflops | AlreadyInUse: just ask |
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| 23:03.23 | AlreadyInUse | Where do I setup the ipv6 dns servers of debian 8.3? Was that in interfaces or in resolv.conf? |
| 23:03.51 | arthur_ | <AlreadyInUse> Hi i'm super gay where do i find a glory hole so i can suck dick? |
| 23:04.01 | bazhang | !ops | arthur_ |
| 23:04.02 | teraflops | you can do it on both places |
| 23:04.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | arthur_ |
| 23:04.04 | blind | !ops arthur_ is troll |
| 23:04.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: blind complains about: arthur_ is troll |
| 23:04.07 | blind | ooh oops |
| 23:04.08 | AlreadyInUse | lexa.nl arthur_ |
| 23:04.26 | AlreadyInUse | or gays.nl |
| 23:04.30 | AlreadyInUse | Noo .com |
| 23:04.31 | bazhang | sorry for the dual call |
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| 23:04.45 | abrotman | oh whoops |
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| 23:04.52 | teraflops | heh |
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| 23:04.56 | TomTomTosch | haha poor guy. |
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| 23:05.12 | glassresistor | so i have a dell xps developer edition(15) with an Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Host Bridge -OPI (rev 09) |
| 23:05.40 | axc1298 | abrotman: he posted nsfw links i'm guessing, i think he deserved the ban too |
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| 23:05.58 | abrotman | axc1298: he was responding to the troll, probably without a clue .. but he seems to have a legit question |
| 23:06.05 | abrotman | probably just needs to be told not to feed the trolls |
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| 23:06.38 | illy | hi |
| 23:06.43 | glassresistor | it comes with an internal 4k screen at 3200x1800 which works fine(although 4k movies lag) |
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| 23:07.00 | AlreadyInUse | :( |
| 23:07.02 | AlreadyInUse | Sorru |
| 23:07.03 | AlreadyInUse | y |
| 23:07.04 | AlreadyInUse | :( |
| 23:07.17 | AlreadyInUse | abrotman :( |
| 23:07.19 | blind | AlreadyInUse: it was accidental. But ignore trolls next time :) |
| 23:07.27 | AlreadyInUse | Okie :O |
| 23:07.28 | abrotman | AlreadyInUse: don't feed the trolls |
| 23:07.34 | AlreadyInUse | Hmmm oké |
| 23:07.39 | abrotman | AlreadyInUse: Keep it on-topic, Debian |
| 23:07.43 | AlreadyInUse | I just answer them on there stupidness |
| 23:07.44 | AlreadyInUse | BUT! |
| 23:07.48 | AlreadyInUse | Where do I setup the ipv6 dns servers of debian 8.3? Was that in interfaces or in resolv.conf? |
| 23:07.49 | glassresistor | pluggined in extneral monitor at 2560x1440 and it has those green interference patterns |
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| 23:08.05 | abrotman | AlreadyInUse: /etc/resolv.conf, just the same |
| 23:08.06 | glassresistor | anyone know of a solution? its an issue even if i turn off the screen |
| 23:08.11 | AlreadyInUse | Oké |
| 23:08.20 | AlreadyInUse | Now ovh is like stupid with setup dns shit |
| 23:08.38 | AlreadyInUse | Normal it is dns-nameservers .... |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | also notes OVH hosts a large number of spammers ... |
| 23:08.50 | AlreadyInUse | If I check that file |
| 23:08.56 | AlreadyInUse | It only says nameserver |
| 23:08.59 | at0m | abrotman: and sponsors letsencrypt! |
| 23:09.09 | AlreadyInUse | http://maz.rocks/screens/20160128230904542.png << |
| 23:09.10 | at0m | oh well, so does facebook |
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| 23:09.27 | abrotman | and they don't answer abuse@ or postmaster@ |
| 23:09.29 | AlreadyInUse | I'm not a spammer abrotman :( |
| 23:09.46 | abrotman | I'm not suggesting you are .. Lots of F/OSS projects also use OVH |
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| 23:09.55 | AlreadyInUse | Oké |
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| 23:09.59 | abrotman | and Hetzner too |
| 23:10.06 | AlreadyInUse | Hetzner is retarded |
| 23:10.09 | jastrahm | hey guys, how would I "install" this https://github.com/GeorgeFilipkin/pulsemixer on debian? |
| 23:10.16 | AlreadyInUse | apt-get |
| 23:10.21 | svetlana | jastrahm: put it in /usr/local/bin and it'll run from there |
| 23:10.31 | jastrahm | its in the repositories? |
| 23:10.33 | svetlana | no |
| 23:10.47 | AlreadyInUse | But how do I setup my dns btw? |
| 23:10.51 | jastrahm | alright, putting it there now/ |
| 23:10.52 | blind | I would put it in my ~/bin but I have that in my PATH :) |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | AlreadyInUse: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:11.04 | AlreadyInUse | With nameserver or dns-nameservers? |
| 23:11.10 | abrotman | AlreadyInUse: man resolv.conf |
| 23:11.14 | AlreadyInUse | I know that |
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| 23:11.31 | AlreadyInUse | But normally it is with the commandline dns-nameservers IP |
| 23:11.38 | AlreadyInUse | But here it is nameserver IP |
| 23:11.45 | svetlana | blind: I'm trying to avoid a PATH discussion, so I gave that directory instead of ~/bin |
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| 23:12.55 | AlreadyInUse | Thq! |
| 23:12.59 | AlreadyInUse | Btw |
| 23:15.28 | glassresistor | when i do a printscreen the green inteference goes away |
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| 23:37.58 | at0m | ,v nginx |
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| 23:38.02 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5; jessie-backports: 1.9.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.9.9-1; sid: 1.9.10-1 |
| 23:43.39 | AlreadyInUse | bb! |
| 23:43.44 | AlreadyInUse | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJugWh4rPrQ Here!! <33333333 |
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