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| 00:38.11 | gravewish | How can we see if there are any backdoors in debian? |
| 00:39.03 | bazhang | bug reports/release notes |
| 00:39.14 | bazhang | perhaps the mailing lists as well |
| 00:39.17 | themill | We make sure they are documented in the release notes. |
| 00:39.50 | cra1g321 | aptitude remove nsa-gchq-backdoor doesnt work her e:/ |
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| 00:40.26 | themill | It's marked as Essential: yes, so you need work harder |
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| 00:41.19 | WangDang | chuckles |
| 00:41.34 | stoned | Is this for real? |
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| 00:41.50 | cra1g321 | adjusts his tin-foil hat while screaming about selinux backdoor |
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| 00:42.16 | WangDang | gravewish: review the source code. That's one of the big advantages of opensource systems |
| 00:45.49 | stoned | WangDang: is that like WingDing, the font? |
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| 00:47.27 | WangDang | stoned: lol :) |
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| 00:51.57 | variuss | hi |
| 00:52.16 | variuss | is it possible to disable autocomplete popup in vim |
| 00:52.34 | variuss | and enable it only by pressing <c - space>? |
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| 00:56.54 | jhutchins | y'know, I think it might be worth while to set up sudo. For one-liners, it's tedious to use su and enter the password. |
| 00:57.41 | stoned | Or you could just keep a root terminal open |
| 00:57.59 | bazhang | does debian have sudo -i |
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| 00:58.02 | stoned | That's probably easier maybe |
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| 01:05.24 | tharkun | Grub is complaining about on a nonexistent disk or the uuid of it has changed. Where should I install it I have /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 |
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| 01:06.37 | Brigo | tharkun, you have to install grub in the disk, it means./dev/sda |
| 01:06.55 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:07.24 | tharkun | I know, but how do I know there is free space on the hdd and it is not taken by any partition? |
| 01:08.02 | Brigo | tharkun, for grub? |
| 01:08.07 | tharkun | yes |
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| 01:08.53 | Brigo | the boot partition -if you are using it- is reserved. If you are using EFI instead, then there should be a leading fat partiton. |
| 01:09.00 | variuss_ | hi |
| 01:09.01 | tharkun | Will I screw up the partition table if grub was not installed originally there? o |
| 01:09.29 | variuss_ | how can i set omni complete after pressing <c-space>, not automatic |
| 01:10.42 | Brigo | tharkun, no. |
| 01:10.48 | tharkun | Brigo: Defenetly I'm not using EFI. |
| 01:11.09 | tharkun | Will it boot? |
| 01:12.08 | Brigo | tharkun, if the disk is well formated, grub well installed, etc, then yes. :) |
| 01:12.46 | Brigo | tharkun, have you modified any partition in that disk? |
| 01:14.12 | tharkun | Brigo: Not that I remember |
| 01:14.31 | tharkun | But I wouldn't bet on it. |
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| 01:15.41 | shibly | Hi, i have a question with java |
| 01:15.50 | shibly | I have openjdk-7 installed |
| 01:15.54 | Brigo | that uuid whic grub was complaining about is a unique identifier for a partition, if the partiton changes the uuid changes too. |
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| 01:16.17 | shibly | Now if i want to install oracle java 8, then what do i have to do? Do i have to remove openjdk-7 first? |
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| 01:17.08 | Brigo | if you are using uuid for telling grub what partiton has to use (and it looks like it) a change in the partition could make the system unbootable at least you reconfigure grub again. |
| 01:17.32 | tharkun | How do I check that? |
| 01:17.41 | tharkun | I happen to have tmux running the update |
| 01:18.10 | tharkun | I have /grub/boot on /dev/sda1 |
| 01:18.51 | tharkun | And it is a separate partition. |
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| 01:19.32 | Brigo | tharkun, the update? |
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| 01:20.39 | tharkun | The original set up |
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| 01:21.28 | Brigo | tharkun, i think i am not following you. :) |
| 01:21.35 | WangDang | I want to install Virtualbox on my debian jessie system so I can host some Windowz and CentOS virtual machines from school. I'm a little confused about which packages to install. Eg, vbox-guest-additions-iso explicitly says to install it on the host system. vbox-guest-utils and vbox-guest-x11 imply that they are to be installed in a guest debian system. |
| 01:21.49 | WangDang | I'm having trouble figuring out whether vbox-guest-dkms and vbox-guest-source are to be installed on a host or guest debian system |
| 01:21.59 | WangDang | Anyone know? |
| 01:22.04 | tharkun | Brigo: I have update grup on term0 and I am poking around on term1 which is a previous state to the update grup wants to do. |
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| 01:22.50 | WangDang | same thing for vbox-source. Is it for a host or guest debian system? |
| 01:23.16 | Brigo | tharkun, ok, so you update grub, then you can boot the system or grub is failing? |
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| 01:24.05 | tharkun | Up to today grub booted fine. The update is on hold for the moment until I figure out what is wrong. Then take the apropiate actions. |
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| 01:27.06 | Brigo | tharkun, ok, so you updated grub with grub-update command, i guess and got and error about a missing something? |
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| 01:29.10 | LambdaComplex | Can someone tell me what update-grub does? Is it just an alias for grub-mkconfig, or does it do other stuff too? |
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| 01:30.28 | Brigo | WangDang, usually the guest are for the guest system, vbox-guest-additions-iso has to be installed in the host and then installed in the guess as a virtual cd image. |
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| 01:31.06 | Brigo | LambdaComplex, update-grub creates/modifies the grub configuration |
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| 01:31.32 | Brigo | LambdaComplex, /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 01:31.33 | LambdaComplex | Brigo: As does grub-mkconfig |
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| 01:31.46 | LambdaComplex | `grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg` to be specific |
| 01:31.55 | LambdaComplex | So is update-grub just an alias for that? |
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| 01:32.52 | Brigo | LambdaComplex, please check update-grub manual, as i have just done, and you will see you are right :) |
| 01:33.15 | tharkun | Brigo: I am updating grub using apt-get update |
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| 01:33.33 | LambdaComplex | Brigo: Well, first, I'm not on Debian right now, and second, my Debian installation doesn't have grub installed, so that wouldn't help much anyways :) |
| 01:33.53 | Brigo | DESCRIPTION |
| 01:33.53 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:34.21 | Brigo | LambdaComplex, that is from the man page, almost all of it :D |
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| 01:35.08 | LambdaComplex | likes being right when he makes educated guesses |
| 01:35.11 | LambdaComplex | Brigo: Thanks :D |
| 01:35.39 | Brigo | tharkun, ok, then you are in good hands :) |
| 01:35.46 | WangDang | Brigo: so what's the difference between installing vbox-guest-additions-iso on the host and installing the additions on the guest from that image on the host, and installing directly on the guest from vbox-guest-whatever? |
| 01:35.47 | Brigo | LambdaComplex, np :) |
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| 01:36.35 | tharkun | So I reconn that grub was mistakenly installed on /dev/sda1 should I install it only there once again? |
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| 01:36.51 | Brigo | WangDang, it is just an iso image, intalling it in the guest will do nothing just waste space. You have to mount it and execute. |
| 01:36.57 | allizom | WangDang: the iso is for Windows too |
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| 01:38.05 | Brigo | tharkun, boot will not find grub in /dev/sda1, only in /dev/sda. If your system is booting then there is a grub in the MBR you should manage shomehow, maybe there is another linux in the system? |
| 01:38.36 | allizom | meanwhile virtualbox-guest-utils should be installed on a Debian guest |
| 01:38.38 | tharkun | Brigo: none. I will install on both sites. Hope it works. |
| 01:38.46 | Brigo | tharkun, sorry, i have to go to sleep :( |
| 01:38.51 | Brigo | tharkun, clever :) |
| 01:38.57 | tharkun | Brigo: Rest Enjoy :) |
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| 01:39.08 | Brigo | tharkun, thanks, good luck :) |
| 01:39.14 | tharkun | Thanks |
| 01:39.23 | allizom | WangDang: so if you need Windows and Centos guests, go for the iso |
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| 01:39.26 | shibly | If i install something with this: dpkg -i p.deb, then how can i remove it from pc ? |
| 01:39.32 | ironpillow | hi all, I am trying to install debian 8.3 using usb UART and am using screen on os x. I am getting garbage text (http://i.imgur.com/crs9fWf.png). I tried using 'screen -U' to force text to UTF-8. Any ideas? |
| 01:39.34 | WangDang | so, I've got a CentOS vm for a class. Should I assume that there are *.rpm's in the CentOS, similar to the vbox-guest-* debs in a debian guest? |
| 01:39.44 | shibly | The deb package is in /home/shibly/ folder |
| 01:39.49 | tharkun | ask in #Centos |
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| 01:40.07 | themill | shibly: you have do "dpkg -r packagename" where packagename is the name of the package not the filename |
| 01:41.10 | tharkun | themill: How is your grub magic lately? |
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| 01:41.39 | allizom | WangDang: Centos folks use kvm AFAIK, not Virtualbox, so just use the iso |
| 01:41.46 | themill | tharkun: It either works or it doesn't ;) |
| 01:42.00 | tharkun | themill: :D |
| 01:42.41 | WangDang | Brigo, allizom: Thanks for the help :) |
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| 01:45.18 | ironpillow | anyone? |
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| 01:45.34 | tharkun | noone |
| 01:47.15 | ironpillow | tharkun: ha! I was referring to my earlier question. screen on os x displaying garbage text while trying to install debain 8.3 |
| 01:47.18 | tharkun | If I were to nuke a server and later recontruct it. What would be my choice of files to backup besides scp -r /etc |
| 01:47.55 | tharkun | ironpillow: problem is with the interaction of screen with os x you should ask on ##mac I believe. |
| 01:48.00 | tharkun | I do prefer tmux |
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| 01:48.35 | ironpillow | tharkun: thanks! will try using tmux |
| 01:49.31 | tharkun | Still on ##mac there are people that do know that piece of garbage inside and out very well |
| 01:50.19 | ironpillow | cool. checking them out. |
| 01:50.43 | themill | ironpillow: is the terminal within which screen is running using the same encoding? |
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| 01:52.23 | ironpillow | themill: did a echo $LANG it shows en_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:53.02 | themill | yeah, that's not the terminal program, that's just an environment variable that is supposed to be right but isn't necessarily. |
| 01:53.11 | tharkun | themill: Macs are a totally different beast. They don't even feel or behave like BSD would do although they have the same roots. (/me is not confortable with them yet does do some support) |
| 01:53.46 | themill | indeed; the terminal and shell and serial connection and ⦠still all need to agree on the encoding |
| 01:54.50 | themill | Also, $LANG is not relevant; more likely LC_CTYPE |
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| 01:56.30 | themill | This is a common enough problem for ssh connections from a Mac -- I'd assume screen+serial is having the same issue |
| 01:56.31 | themill | !mac locales |
| 01:56.32 | dpkg | If you're getting "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale" when connecting from an Apple Macintosh to a Debian host over ssh: (a) In Terminal, uncheck Settings->Advanced->"Set locale environment variables on startup", or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config), or (c) change AcceptEnv on remote sshd, or (d) overwrite that value in your login scripts (.profile or similar). |
| 01:57.55 | ironpillow | themill: checked lc_ctype, also utf-8 |
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| 01:58.42 | ironpillow | dpkg: not using ssh. using usb UART |
| 01:58.43 | dpkg | ironpillow: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:00.03 | tharkun | themill: The scary part with macs is "or similar)." They don't allways work the same. |
| 02:00.42 | ironpillow | dpkg: yep did the reading, googled, stackoverflow and mac forums before asking here. |
| 02:00.43 | dpkg | ironpillow: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 02:00.54 | tharkun | !bot |
| 02:00.54 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 02:05.57 | vimfxlover | Hi. I want to ask if it is a good idea to use a backported Iceweasel version. |
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| 02:06.42 | vimfxlover | I am on Debian Jessie right now and want to use VimFx's current version. |
| 02:07.04 | allizom | vimfxlover: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 02:07.39 | tharkun | !simple sid backport |
| 02:07.40 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:07.51 | vimfxlover | tharkun, allizom: Thanks, I ll go for it then :) |
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| 02:17.24 | tharkun | !clone |
| 02:17.25 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
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| 02:18.04 | karlpinc | tharkun: <aptitude clone> ?? |
| 02:18.52 | tharkun | karlpinc: debian clone :) |
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| 02:19.32 | vimfxlover | I am a bit concerned I do something wrong. Running 'aptitude update' I get W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net jessie-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 02:19.48 | vimfxlover | Sounds suspicious to me |
| 02:19.52 | tharkun | karlpinc: aptitude clone :D |
| 02:20.10 | karlpinc | vimfxlover: Follow the usage instructions at backports.debian.org. |
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| 02:21.01 | vimfxlover | karlpinc: Ok. I tried to follow those on mozilla.debian.net - probably not a good idea |
| 02:21.05 | tharkun | BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) ?? |
| 02:21.11 | Guest79742 | can i choose the desktop i will install on debian? |
| 02:21.16 | tharkun | Guest79742: yes |
| 02:21.21 | Guest79742 | can i change it later? |
| 02:21.25 | karlpinc | Guest79742: Or install multiple ones. |
| 02:21.51 | Guest79742 | if i want to install another later, do i have to reinstall debian? |
| 02:21.55 | Guest79742 | thanks |
| 02:21.57 | tharkun | Guest79742: no |
| 02:21.57 | karlpinc | Guest79742: And choose from the login screen. (Depending on which dm you use to login. gdm and kdm both allow choices. |
| 02:22.13 | Guest79742 | dm? |
| 02:22.21 | karlpinc | !dm |
| 02:22.21 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 02:22.26 | tharkun | You can choose whatever DE you like and change back and forth as you wish. It can be as esotheric as you want it. |
| 02:22.53 | Guest79742 | thanks |
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| 02:23.19 | vimfxlover | You can rerun tasksel to choose another desktop environment if i recall correctly. Or install one via your favourite package manager. |
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| 02:24.27 | karlpinc | Guest79742: If you're new to debian you might also find the <overview> and <grounding> factoids helpful. |
| 02:24.35 | karlpinc | !tell Guest79742 about overview |
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| 02:26.10 | Guest79742 | is ubuntu made with debian source code? |
| 02:26.21 | tharkun | !ubuntu |
| 02:26.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 02:26.43 | Guest79742 | thanks man |
| 02:26.55 | Guest79742 | where do i find "<based on debian>" |
| 02:27.05 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:27.09 | karlpinc | !msg the bot |
| 02:27.09 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 02:27.22 | Guest79742 | thanks |
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| 02:27.41 | Guest79742 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.53 | LambdaComplex | without the space at the start :P |
| 02:27.55 | Guest79742 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.55 | Guest79742 | [00:27] * teknozulu (~n3ss3s@35.20.96.96) Quit ( Pi |
| 02:28.58 | tharkun | karlpinc: Any thing else to backup besides /etc/ aptitude clone and /root that would help me rebuild a server? (mysql is beeing backed up later on the evening) |
| 02:29.30 | markybob | !tell Guest79742 about based on debian |
| 02:29.50 | karlpinc | tharkun: Most dbs need to have content dumped via dump tool for restore to work.... |
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| 02:30.09 | tharkun | karlpinc: yes, that is why I am not rushing mysql. |
| 02:30.12 | karlpinc | tharkun: There's stuff in /var/spool (IIRC) like crontabs. |
| 02:30.22 | vimfxlover | A question: I am currently running Iceweasel, now I want to update it (using backports). This will work too if I keep Iceweasel running. But doesnt that imply I have both programs on then? Or is there an after-close-deinstall-script? |
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| 02:30.30 | Guest79742 | " Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian" |
| 02:30.36 | tharkun | karlpinc: nope, they are runned from a central server. |
| 02:30.37 | Guest79742 | does that mean it has debian source code in it? |
| 02:30.38 | karlpinc | tharkun: There's also /var/mail and the standard spot for web pages /var/www/ |
| 02:30.50 | markybob | Guest79742, some. they change a lot of crap |
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| 02:30.51 | aedinius | What the hell. the wireless is doing it again. "Bus error" and "wpa_supplicant failed ot start" |
| 02:30.53 | tharkun | karlpinc: no local mail and no httpd either. |
| 02:31.11 | tharkun | Guest79742: What are you looking for? |
| 02:31.29 | Guest79742 | the first os made with linux kernel lol |
| 02:31.36 | karlpinc | tharkun: Possibly ssh keys, but the host keys are in /etc. so just the /home dirs. |
| 02:31.51 | tharkun | Genius, forgot about that. |
| 02:32.06 | karlpinc | Guest79742: The first distro was probably slackware. But that's offtopic. Try #linux. |
| 02:32.06 | foul_owl | How do I list all packages available to me in a third party repo? |
| 02:32.32 | Guest79742 | xD |
| 02:32.35 | karlpinc | tharkun: Anything in /srv? |
| 02:32.40 | LambdaComplex | ##linux |
| 02:32.43 | LambdaComplex | not #linux |
| 02:32.56 | LambdaComplex | (there may be a redirect though. idk) |
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| 02:33.01 | markybob | there is |
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| 02:33.32 | aerth | maybe /root/ if u kept some cool stuff there, tharkun |
| 02:34.07 | tharkun | karlpinc: nothing there either |
| 02:34.20 | aerth | and /var/lib may have some things you want to keep |
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| 02:34.31 | karlpinc | tharkun: Yah. /root /usr/local/ |
| 02:34.50 | aerth | crucial /usr/local/ |
| 02:35.22 | karlpinc | aerth: /var/lib/ probably shouldn't but always seems to. |
| 02:35.28 | tharkun | BOFG nothing there. |
| 02:35.47 | karlpinc | tharkun: Perfect. That makes it easy. ;-) |
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| 02:36.58 | vimfxlover | I followed the instructions on backports.debian.org (add one entry to sources.list). Running 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -t jessie-backports install iceweasel' gives me 'No packes installed, [...] 63 not upgraded'. |
| 02:37.06 | vimfxlover | What do I do wrong? |
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| 02:37.47 | markybob | vimfxlover, nothing. there is no iceweasel in backports. use this instead http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 02:38.05 | allizom | vimfxlover: if you read the page I linked you too you should have expected that message |
| 02:38.22 | allizom | *to |
| 02:38.48 | vimfxlover | markybob: I tried that before, but I got an error about a missing fingerprint when running 'sudo aptitude update'. |
| 02:39.19 | markybob | vimfxlover, if you read that page, it tells you to install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring to fix that. you've gotta read |
| 02:39.49 | Guest79742 | is debian faster than ubuntu |
| 02:40.32 | vimfxlover | markybob: Shame on me. Its says it clearly. I am just use to follow instructions from top to bottom and if something does not work the way I expect it too I stop reading. I guess I need to change that. |
| 02:41.10 | karlpinc | Guest79742: "faster" is relative. Debian is less bloated, by default. But no, probably not by any practical measure. |
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| 02:45.56 | tharkun | Guest79742: linux is one of those rare beasts that if you know what you are doing it will do what you want, as fast or as slow as you tell it to do it. |
| 02:46.24 | tharkun | Once again what are you looking for. Information? A specific way of doing something? ... |
| 02:46.40 | Guest79742 | guess i ll just install debian lol |
| 02:46.45 | Guest79742 | thanks |
| 02:47.06 | tharkun | Guest79742: dual boot might be your first run in case you need to do some $WORK that you are not familiar with. |
| 02:47.32 | Guest79742 | yeah |
| 02:47.42 | tharkun | Why would someone have an .xsession-errors file 15M long? |
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| 02:48.28 | Guest79742 | thanks all, does debian come with a irc |
| 02:48.41 | markybob | Guest79742, client? many. i like hexchat |
| 02:48.51 | tharkun | One heck of a lot of clients and several servers IIRC |
| 02:49.09 | Guest79742 | thanks |
| 02:49.26 | Guest79742 | xD |
| 02:49.29 | Guest79742 | brb |
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| 02:54.35 | vimfxlover | markybob, allizom: Big thanks to both of you, I finally am running Iceweasel 44 with the current VimFx. Sorry for the not enough reading part. |
| 02:54.47 | markybob | vimfxlover, cool. np |
| 02:56.39 | tharkun | karlpinc: found sdb1 non lvm and with enough space to do a local backup :D |
| 02:59.51 | aedinius | In SMART, Current_Pending_sector is 2, but reallocated sector is 0. How do I force it to reallocate a sector? |
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| 03:01.27 | tremon | aedinius: write the sector |
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| 03:13.26 | tasaif | how do I accept an untrusted CA systemwide? |
| 03:13.53 | markybob | tasaif, and why would you do something so silly? |
| 03:14.27 | tasaif | because I want to use the school district's wifi |
| 03:16.24 | tremon | tasaif: normally, you put it in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and run update-ca-certificates to import it in the global store |
| 03:16.50 | tasaif | tremon, thank you |
| 03:16.53 | tasaif | how do I get it to begin with? |
| 03:17.14 | tremon | but I'm not sure if wpa_supplicant or network-manager use the global store |
| 03:17.57 | tremon | the CA's public key should be published somewhere. You should probably ask your school district |
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| 03:18.18 | aedinius | Hm. I think that drive is dead. |
| 03:18.23 | tharkun | karlpinc: local backup from all of the above and it should survive. IF not Would you hire me ;P |
| 03:19.10 | tasaif | tremon, is there no way I can query it from the server itself? |
| 03:20.27 | tremon | that would be self-defeating. That's no better than using a self-signed certificate |
| 03:20.53 | tremon | Not saying that you can't, but there is no generic way to answer your question, at least not that I know |
| 03:22.00 | tasaif | tremon, I agree, but for my current purposes I don't mind the implications |
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| 03:34.21 | aedinius | I might be able to breathe life back into this! |
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| 03:35.38 | Remind | Hey everyone! on my second install of debian 9 xfce now, lol. Unfortunately I can't find a solution to get my 'hybrid' GTX 950M and integrated intel card to work together. Has anyone found a solution yet? |
| 03:35.52 | litework | linus torvalds says debian is hard |
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| 03:36.27 | dvs | !be a linux barbie |
| 03:36.28 | dpkg | Aww, linux is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs |
| 03:37.09 | k_sze[work] | Maybe a really dumb question: how does a computer know it's on UPS? |
| 03:37.28 | k_sze[work] | I have never really worked with a UPS before. |
| 03:37.38 | aedinius | k_sze[work]: Usually through serial or USB connection, I believe. |
| 03:37.47 | dvs | k_sze[work]: sometimes, there's a USB connector. Sometimes, there's a network client |
| 03:38.07 | aedinius | Ah yeah, I guess some of the newer ones have a network thing. |
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| 03:39.12 | k_sze[work] | So if I only plug the power on the UPS, the computer usually doesn't know it's on UPS yet, right? I don't think there's some kind of industry de-facto standard for communicating UPS state via the power pins? |
| 03:39.14 | Remind | Does anyone have a moment to assist me in getting my NVIDIA GTX 950M to work on Debian 8? I just did a clean install because I think I broke my last one trying too many tutorials/guides on it, lol |
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| 03:42.38 | Lope | Is there any way I can limit the badnwidth that debootsrap consumes while it does a debootstrapped install? I didn't see anything on the man page relating to bw/bandwidth/limit/kib/kb etc |
| 03:43.05 | Lope | I'd like to run it on a server with a low speed internet conenction without eating up all the bandwidth. |
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| 03:45.00 | aerth | Lope, try https://github.com/tylertreat/comcast |
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| 03:45.49 | aerth | nevermind, it "injects failure" not just throttles, but it may work anyway |
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| 03:50.50 | aedinius | It lives! |
| 03:51.10 | aedinius | Apparently one of the broken sectors was start-stop-daemon |
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| 03:51.46 | markybob | Remind, that's one of those stupid ones. http://wiki.debian.org/bumblebee |
| 03:52.05 | dvs | markybob: Yup, just like last time |
| 03:52.28 | markybob | dvs, did we help him before? i see too many nicks a day to remember |
| 03:52.41 | dvs | up |
| 03:52.43 | tremon | k_sze[work]: correct. no UPS information is sent (or read) through the power socket |
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| 03:53.27 | narendranath_dut | Hi, I am using jessie.....while installing I don't remember to give a root password. Now I need to run the synaptic package manager which is asking the root password. What to do ? |
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| 03:53.50 | markybob | narendranath_dut, sudo passwd root and set one |
| 03:54.27 | tremon | narendranath_dut: is it asking for the root password or your own password? |
| 03:54.45 | aedinius | narendranath_dut: Run synaptic with sudo |
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| 03:55.18 | themill | gksudo is more likely |
| 03:55.19 | narendranath_dut | tremon: plz wait i'll be back in 10 mins |
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| 03:59.51 | Lope | aerth: doesn't sound very great :P |
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| 04:02.13 | aerth | yup |
| 04:02.17 | aerth | just like comcast |
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| 04:20.31 | gaurishankar | I had upgraded debioan jessie server from 8.2 to 8.3 but my command lsb_release -a still shows 8.2 only? |
| 04:20.45 | gaurishankar | what could be reason Please Help. |
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| 04:22.57 | gaurishankar | hello debian users |
| 04:23.23 | narendranath_dut | @tremon: It is asking for root password |
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| 04:25.48 | markybob | narendranath_dut, i told you what to do |
| 04:26.07 | gaurishankar | can ne one help me why after upgrade is still showing 8.2 , it should show 8..3 debian jessie? |
| 04:26.23 | markybob | gaurishankar, what was your upgrade process? |
| 04:27.26 | gaurishankar | sudo apt-get update |
| 04:27.32 | gaurishankar | sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 04:27.58 | narendranath_dut | markybob: I am new to debian .......a windows users....plz type the entire command ....and there seems to be several terminals....which one to use ? |
| 04:28.22 | markybob | narendranath_dut, i already told you. sudo passwd root |
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| 04:29.37 | narendranath_dut | where should i type that ....mate terminal ? Lx terminal ? Konsole ? |
| 04:29.43 | narendranath_dut | which one |
| 04:29.47 | markybob | narendranath_dut, doesn't matter |
| 04:30.34 | narendranath_dut | ok |
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| 04:31.53 | gaurishankar | MarkyBOB I had used sudo apt-get update and apt--get upgrade but it is still showing 8.2 |
| 04:32.19 | markybob | gaurishankar, did you reboot? |
| 04:32.24 | gaurishankar | yes |
| 04:32.36 | markybob | gaurishankar, show your policy |
| 04:32.44 | gaurishankar | I rebooted it and still |
| 04:33.04 | gaurishankar | How shouldd I check the policy |
| 04:33.14 | narendranath_dut | markybob: I cannot, set as I am not a administrator |
| 04:33.37 | markybob | narendranath_dut, well then you're done. call the administrator. |
| 04:34.00 | narendranath_dut | goju is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 04:34.31 | narendranath_dut | I am the one who installed the system......i left the root password blank |
| 04:36.06 | gaurishankar | Markybob How should i check the policy |
| 04:36.36 | markybob | gaurishankar, apt-cache policy |
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| 04:39.33 | gaurishankar | Markybob 500 http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ jessie-updates/main Translation-en 500 http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ jessie-updates/main i386 Packages release o=Debian,a=stable-updates,n=jessie-updates,l=Debian,c=main origin ftp.iitm.ac.in 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main Translation-en 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main i386 Packages release v=8,o=Debian,a=stable,n=jessie,l=Debia |
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| 04:39.52 | aerth | narendranath_dut, did you ever have access to root? also, did you switch users along the way? also, try "su root" see what happens |
| 04:40.28 | gaurishankar | Markybob I checked the policy |
| 04:41.01 | uxfi | hi gaurishankar |
| 04:41.02 | uxfi | pranam |
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| 04:41.18 | gaurishankar | pranam |
| 04:41.26 | markybob | gaurishankar, i don't know. that confuses me to be honest. |
| 04:41.42 | gaurishankar | ok |
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| 04:42.02 | markybob | gaurishankar, did you try dist-upgrade? |
| 04:42.07 | gaurishankar | the same thing I run on debian test server it went through properly and showing correct version |
| 04:42.21 | gaurishankar | in Live environment it is not showing |
| 04:42.33 | gaurishankar | it messed and samba sharing disappeared |
| 04:42.40 | markybob | gaurishankar, oh. never used a live environment |
| 04:42.59 | gaurishankar | first i did on test and then on live |
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| 04:49.34 | gaurishankar | ne idea why upgrade from debian jessie 8.2 to 8.3 still showing 8.2 only |
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| 04:49.48 | damo22 | is there a channel to discuss iceweasel? |
| 04:50.11 | markybob | damo22, here is fine |
| 04:50.14 | damo22 | something is horribly wrong with the audio in my browser and i know why |
| 04:50.28 | markybob | damo22, you probably need http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 04:51.44 | Mr_Queue | gaurishankar: Did base-files get missed for some reason? |
| 04:51.47 | damo22 | i am using an ALSA loopback sound card to run the audio through JACK, and i lock my soundcard to 48kHz... but the browser i think is using 44100Hz, so it asks ALSA to resample it, then it gets resampled AGAIN by jack.... it sounds horrible |
| 04:52.00 | awal1 | What does this command exactly? "egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
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| 04:52.29 | awal1 | command suggested by dpkg for show the video driver used by x server |
| 04:52.50 | damo22 | it would be really nice if iceweasel could output all sound through JACK directly |
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| 04:52.58 | awal1 | I mean the technical side of that command |
| 04:53.16 | Mr_Queue | awal1: Matches anything with that has Load followed by anything then mod followed by anything followed by driv or anything with UnloadModule in it.. |
| 04:53.22 | markybob | maybe your problem is that you use JACK and no one else does |
| 04:53.27 | Mr_Queue | awal1: It's regex, read about that. |
| 04:53.46 | damo22 | markybob: there is no way you will get me to use that clusterfuck called Pulseaudio |
| 04:53.58 | markybob | damo22, that's not my problem. it's yours. |
| 04:54.08 | Mr_Queue | awal1: http://www.regular-expressions.info/posix.html |
| 04:54.22 | damo22 | well its a problem for debian because pulse is useless for proaudio |
| 04:54.39 | awal1 | Mr_Queue: ok, thanks :) |
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| 04:56.07 | vvande | apt-get purge pulseaudio |
| 04:56.11 | damo22 | done |
| 04:56.36 | Mr_Queue | awal1: egrep "Mr_Queue\:\ ok\,\ thanks\ \:\)" |
| 04:56.43 | damo22 | but that doesnt solve my problem getting audio out of my browser |
| 04:56.47 | Mr_Queue | matches your message to me. |
| 04:57.04 | damo22 | i dont want my browser audio being resampled 100x |
| 04:57.18 | Rusty1 | damo22: there are #jack #pulseaudio and #alsa channels as well, they may be helpful |
| 04:57.38 | awal1 | Mr_Queue, time needed for understand all that :P |
| 04:57.40 | Mr_Queue | awal1: so does.. "Mr_Queue.*\)" |
| 04:57.52 | damo22 | its not a jack issue, its an iceweasel issue |
| 04:57.59 | damo22 | that is why i am here |
| 04:58.42 | damo22 | if i write a patch for iceweasel to have a -j switch for jack, do you think it would be accepted? |
| 04:59.12 | Rusty1 | only suggesting them as someone my have encountered a similar issue, or perhaps on #firefox |
| 04:59.32 | damo22 | ok |
| 04:59.57 | Mr_Queue | damo22: That has jack shit to do with Debian, look at upstream. Iceweasel only changes artwork and branding. |
| 05:00.23 | damo22 | okay fine |
| 05:00.34 | Rusty1 | oh. a pun |
| 05:00.59 | damo22 | so i should target firefox |
| 05:01.04 | Mr_Queue | Yup |
| 05:01.09 | damo22 | done |
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| 05:01.39 | vvande | I've got sound from Iceweasel (playing radio right now) and on Debian 7. |
| 05:02.17 | vvande | oh ... he split :( |
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| 05:05.06 | awal1 | I'm trying to set up a minimal jessie system: base system +openbox. I'm in my sid machine and I installed base system+xor+openbox and I see several xorx and x server stuffs installed and not needed by my machine for work, like xserver-xorg-video-vmware, nouveau | input-vmmouse, wacom ..., and I have an intel machine. I would like no repeat the same error. How to know the exact drivers my machine need for work properly? |
| 05:05.28 | awal1 | xorg ^ |
| 05:06.05 | Mr_Queue | lspci -vvv |
| 05:06.12 | Mr_Queue | Then google |
| 05:06.53 | Mr_Queue | And don't use Sid if you need to ask for a lot of help, you're beating your head against a wall, because it will change by the end of the week. |
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| 05:08.47 | awal1 | Mr_Queue, I have several machines here and I try things. Sid for learn and test and jessie one for personal/work use. But I have a lot of laptops at home :P |
| 05:09.31 | awal1 | lspci helps but I tought there is a "magic" command that can do the job quickly ;) |
| 05:09.46 | Mr_Queue | Nope. |
| 05:10.24 | Mr_Queue | The "quickly" is running stable because the DevDev's worked out whatever problem you're running into. |
| 05:11.05 | Mr_Queue | I get paid to run debian servers and I don't even run Sid at home because I don't have the time to fuck with it. |
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| 05:11.26 | Mr_Queue | It is exactly what it is.. |
| 05:14.33 | awal1 | I have a sid machine running at home since 1 year now and all fine ( i'm a novice). But I have time for follow bugs and sid progress. I run a minimal system (base+openbox and only needed apps). If it were kde or gnome, the story will be different. With gnu/linux, one never knows all and always feel like a newbie... |
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| 05:15.16 | Mr_Queue | Cool, then keep trying since you have the time. |
| 05:15.23 | awal1 | :) |
| 05:15.29 | Mr_Queue | I did a lot of years ago. |
| 05:18.08 | awal1 | one can have time if he really wants, life is so simple if we want to keep it simple. people say 1 minute is nothing, but NO! 1 minute=60 seconds. 60 seconds may be the whole life of x virus/proteine :D |
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| 05:22.36 | gaurishankar | haaa haa it is the right spirit of Linux |
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| 05:23.13 | Mr_Queue | I'll run that by my daughter, but I'm sure she'll tell you you're wrong. |
| 05:25.56 | hiya | how can I reduce the Window title bar size in whole of debian? it just takes tooooooooooooooo much space esp. on a laptop |
| 05:27.09 | awal1 | hiya: gnome3 there? |
| 05:27.35 | hiya | awal1, yes sr |
| 05:27.53 | hiya | I just changed some theme in Tweak tool |
| 05:28.00 | hiya | but all the other theme look ugly |
| 05:28.01 | hiya | hehe |
| 05:28.04 | hiya | :) |
| 05:28.06 | hiya | Esco is fine |
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| 05:29.27 | awal1 | hiya: many people complain about that (adwaita theme=enormous title bars) but there is no an official solution, you can find work arounds in the web but they are just work arounds |
| 05:29.50 | awal1 | one work around is reducing the fonts size |
| 05:29.56 | awal1 | ... |
| 05:30.14 | hiya | awal1, Esco - Window theme is fine? |
| 05:30.16 | hiya | It reduces it all |
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| 05:30.45 | awal1 | hiya: we were talking about adwaita, the official gnome 3 theme |
| 05:30.55 | hiya | yep |
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| 05:31.04 | awal1 | but if you like esco or I dont know which one , so go ahead.. |
| 05:31.10 | hiya | but Debian comes with Esco etc |
| 05:31.12 | hiya | it looks weird though that border around a window |
| 05:31.14 | hiya | :( |
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| 05:31.24 | msn | don't have that issue with plasma 5 :) just change the bar size dynamically to suit your needs |
| 05:31.37 | hiya | msn, I would try KDE too but Gnome rocks |
| 05:32.02 | awal1 | kde is more customizable in that sense , right |
| 05:32.09 | tjcarter | If Gnome 3's problems were limited to a theme ... |
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| 05:33.05 | jordanm | kde is more customizable in most senses imo |
| 05:33.22 | hiya | i would find a gnome 3 theme |
| 05:33.23 | hiya | wait |
| 05:34.18 | tjcarter | MY problem with Gnome 3 is that it took all the "we're taking away all the extraneous options that don't make sense to the majority of users and just giving you sensible defaults" to an absurd level, THEN made everything work in ways that are neither intuitive nor sensible, and then claimed "lightweight" while dropping even more ridiculous levels of code size and complexity. |
| 05:34.34 | tjcarter | And as always, with Gnome, it's the GNOME WAY or the highway. |
| 05:34.35 | awal1 | gnome3 and adwaita are youg projects, pretty sure a better job will be done in the future as gnome did with gnome2... |
| 05:34.39 | hiya | http://csnipp.com/s/893/-Fix-Huge-titlebar-for-Gnome-3 |
| 05:34.44 | hiya | there is an option ^ |
| 05:34.56 | hiya | But Fedora do not have this issue right? |
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| 05:35.36 | tjcarter | doesn't go anywhere near Fedora anymore as they seem to be the source of most of the things that annoy him these days. ;) |
| 05:35.49 | hiya | heh |
| 05:36.43 | hiya | Gnome 3.16 fixed it I guess |
| 05:36.46 | tjcarter | Especially since I've got scripts that create udev rules, modify innittab, and other such things. |
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| 05:37.27 | tjcarter | I'm working to port these to systemd, but it's difficult to do this in a way that works for systemd and works without it. |
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| 05:38.24 | hiya | I don't understand if a small change can fix it then why won't debian push it? |
| 05:38.39 | hiya | just make it next update, it is the power of opensource |
| 05:38.43 | hiya | esp. Free Software |
| 05:38.57 | msn | awal1: i only use gnome when kde isgoing from one major version to another during transition |
| 05:38.57 | tjcarter | hiya: I assume Debian jessie was frozen before 3.16? |
| 05:39.36 | markybob | hiya, because debian stable only gets security updates and *serious* bug fixes |
| 05:39.40 | jordanm | !tell hiya about stable |
| 05:39.40 | msn | awal1: like when kde5 was flowing into testing kde was quiet broken so it was gnome3 for about 30 days, and taht too I use a gaming laptop so gnome3 ui doesn't bog down my system |
| 05:40.14 | markybob | hiya, that's what makes it stable |
| 05:40.31 | hiya | markybob, but it is a gnome update only? |
| 05:40.38 | hiya | for fixing a nonsense |
| 05:40.45 | hiya | not like we are getting gnome 3.16 |
| 05:40.59 | hiya | just set the title bars to the right size and it would be awesome then |
| 05:41.07 | markybob | hiya, no. there aren't exceptions |
| 05:41.43 | jordanm | well, there are exceptions now but those exceptions are made mostly for security reasons |
| 05:42.01 | markybob | that's what i said |
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| 05:42.34 | jordanm | those exceptions are different than typical security patches (actually allowing upstream version changes) |
| 05:43.04 | jordanm | !stable-updates |
| 05:43.04 | dpkg | jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 05:43.13 | hiya | ok :) I would make the change myself using that's article's command |
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| 05:43.58 | markybob | hiya, which article? just want to make sure you don't fuck yourself |
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| 05:46.06 | markybob | hiya, actually, i'm going to bed regardless. whatever you want to do then. |
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| 05:48.13 | gaurishankar | I had performed upgrade from debian jessie 82 to 8.3 but it is still showing 8.2 only |
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| 05:48.21 | gaurishankar | can ne one help me ?? |
| 05:48.32 | aerth | gaurishankar, sounds like u never did the upgrade |
| 05:48.53 | aerth | are you booting from a USB or something |
| 05:49.04 | cafuego | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:49.19 | gaurishankar | yes this command |
| 05:49.59 | jordanm | gaurishankar: the versions number comes from the base-files package. what version of base-files do you have installed? |
| 05:50.35 | gaurishankar | where to look that |
| 05:50.42 | jelly | gaurishankar: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy base-files" |
| 05:51.12 | gaurishankar | it was earlier wheezy, upgraded to jessie then again upgraded to jessie 8.2 to 8.3 |
| 05:51.21 | jelly | gaurishankar: and just "apt-cache policy", while you're at it. Use paste.debian.net |
| 05:51.37 | markybob | i asked for that like two hours ago |
| 05:51.59 | hiya | markybob, gn |
| 05:52.02 | jelly | .pal markybob |
| 05:52.04 | hiya | http://csnipp.com/s/893/-Fix-Huge-titlebar-for-Gnome-3 |
| 05:52.09 | hiya | markybob, ^ |
| 05:52.12 | gaurishankar | should i paste it in this forum |
| 05:52.27 | jelly | dpkg, tell gaurishankar about paste |
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| 05:54.50 | gaurishankar | Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now 500 http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ jessie-updates/main Translation-en 500 http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ jessie-updates/main i386 Packages release o=Debian,a=stable-updates,n=jessie-updates,l=Debian,c=main origin ftp.iitm.ac.in 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main Translation-en 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main i386 Packages |
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| 05:56.11 | jelly | gaurishankar: again, please use paste.debian.net |
| 05:56.45 | jelly | gaurishankar: put both commands and their respective output in the same paste if possible |
| 05:57.12 | gaurishankar | Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now 500 http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ jessie-updates/main Translation-en 500 http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ jessie-updates/main i386 Packages release o=Debian,a=stable-updates,n=jessie-updates,l=Debian,c=main origin ftp.iitm.ac.in 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main Translation-en 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main i386 Packages |
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| 06:00.34 | jelly | gaurishankar: paste on http://paste.debian.net and report just the resulting link here |
| 06:00.38 | awal1 | msn, both kde and gnome are great DE. me I run xfce and some WM. all fine :) |
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| 06:02.08 | awal1 | i'm very satisfied with xfce + openbox . if i need any kde or gnome pack, I install it checking closely suggest and recommends |
| 06:02.48 | awal1 | under debian , one can't be bored. all choice/tastes are there :P |
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| 06:05.22 | awal1 | apart that, you have a choice of running unstable, testing or stable, dozens of WMs and all the DE existing out there. debian is simply the best choice in the gnu/linux world , for home, work, business and server |
| 06:06.37 | awal1 | and more then 40000 pre-packaged pack! |
| 06:06.46 | msn | yes |
| 06:06.56 | msn | that's why its debian all the way for me |
| 06:07.05 | awal1 | ;) |
| 06:07.44 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: You still around? |
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| 06:22.08 | EgoAleSum | hello. Iâm having some problems with samba: Iâve created a share thatâs meant to be accessed by multiple users, but I canât get everyone to have write permissions. what is the proper way to set UNIX filesystem permissions on a folder thatâs shared with multiple users via samba? |
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| 06:23.01 | Mr_Queue | EgoAleSum: Read the top of the config file, it covers it all. Your perms are wrong. |
| 06:23.08 | baudtack | any ideas what would cause a keyboard to work in gdm and console but not in gnome or xfce or xmonad? |
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| 06:23.14 | wiltors42 | Hi |
| 06:23.21 | Mr_Queue | fart |
| 06:23.27 | baudtack | running debian sid amd64 |
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| 06:23.47 | Mr_Queue | Don't run sid if you need to ask questions. |
| 06:23.50 | EgoAleSum | Mr_Queue: the top of the config file doesnât say anything about unix permissions. i read about selinux (which has been taken care of) |
| 06:24.00 | Mr_Queue | The fuck it doesn't. |
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| 06:24.22 | wiltors42 | So I'm having some trouble with my dual monitor setup in Debian. I've got a Radeon r9 card with two DVI ports and xrandr doesn't detect the other displays. |
| 06:25.19 | EgoAleSum | Mr_Queue: well you could be a bit more polite. my smb.conf doesnât mention unix permissions, i can assure you that |
| 06:27.19 | EgoAleSum | i know my permissions are wrong, i just donât know which are the right ones |
| 06:27.50 | Mr_Queue | Just do triple 7's if you can't figure it out. It's like free college. |
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| 06:28.29 | Mr_Queue | You'll learn a lot. |
| 06:29.01 | EgoAleSum | Mr_Queue: well i apologize for not being âlearntâ like you already :) |
| 06:29.12 | EgoAleSum | 0777 is not the answer |
| 06:29.15 | EgoAleSum | have a good night |
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| 06:29.28 | Mr_Queue | Atta boy, back to the books. |
| 06:29.48 | wiltors42_ | so, could somebody help me with my xrandr problem? |
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| 06:33.00 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 06:33.19 | tite12345 | It seems like there isn't an option for me to be able to click using my touchpad? |
| 06:33.27 | tite12345 | I'm using 8.3 Jessie |
| 06:34.05 | Mr_Queue | tite12345: That's not a Debian thing, that's your desktop like gnome|kde|mate etc |
| 06:34.50 | Mr_Queue | You should ask their mailing lists |
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| 06:40.23 | swift110-phone | Hey |
| 06:40.59 | Mr_Queue | Sup bro, I've not seen you in like 3 months. |
| 06:41.17 | tite12345 | Mr_Queue: Ah |
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| 06:53.47 | swift110-phone | Yep how r u |
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| 07:04.06 | gaurishankar | I had upgraded my debian jessie 8.2 to 8.3 but still lsb_release -a show 8.2 only |
| 07:04.18 | gaurishankar | No idea whats could be the reason |
| 07:04.42 | gaurishankar | can ne one help me |
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| 07:07.11 | kaiux | gaurishankar: how is your: $ dpkg -l base-files |
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| 07:08.57 | gaurishankar | kaiux am newbie |
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| 07:09.07 | gaurishankar | please advise what should i do |
| 07:09.12 | kaiux | type that on terminal |
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| 07:09.52 | gaurishankar | ok |
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| 07:11.36 | gaurishankar | kaiux , it gives lot of display |
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| 07:12.18 | kaiux | check the second column |
| 07:12.27 | kaiux | what is the version? |
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| 07:12.42 | gaurishankar | whicch file |
| 07:13.13 | kaiux | did you type on terminal dpkg -l base-file? |
| 07:13.33 | gaurishankar | let me try again |
| 07:14.29 | gaurishankar | no package found matching base file |
| 07:14.53 | kaiux | what did you tipe? |
| 07:15.15 | gaurishankar | dpkg -l base-file |
| 07:15.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching base-file |
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| 07:15.44 | well_laid_lawn | that's dash el not dash one |
| 07:15.57 | kaiux | this package has all info about you new release |
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| 07:17.09 | gaurishankar | am i typing wrong command |
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| 07:19.50 | gaurishankar | kaiux , can u guide me please |
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| 07:21.58 | kaiux | I can not type it for you |
| 07:22.08 | gaurishankar | i got it |
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| 07:22.47 | gaurishankar | it is showing 8_deb8u2 |
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| 07:23.09 | kaiux | so, it seems that your install is not upgraded |
| 07:23.27 | kaiux | which commands are you using to upgrade your box? |
| 07:23.42 | gaurishankar | can u guide me how should I then upgrade to 8.3 |
| 07:24.52 | kaiux | run: sudo apt-get update |
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| 07:25.38 | gaurishankar | only this command will do |
| 07:26.15 | kaiux | no |
| 07:26.31 | kaiux | this command updates your "package database" |
| 07:26.31 | gaurishankar | then what is the next cmd |
| 07:26.38 | kaiux | run: sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 07:27.15 | gaurishankar | sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 07:27.33 | kaiux | yes |
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| 07:28.07 | gaurishankar | this will not change anything on smb sharing and file access rights??? |
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| 07:28.44 | kaiux | probably the first thig you should do is your backup |
| 07:29.03 | no_gravity | When cronjobs are run, is the output simply discarded? |
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| 07:29.25 | kaiux | Debian is damn stable, but sometimes users do crazy things |
| 07:29.27 | kaiux | ;) |
| 07:29.35 | gaurishankar | alll right , do u think ne thing may go wrong |
| 07:30.20 | kaiux | if you are not confident on what you are doing, than please make a backup |
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| 07:30.55 | gaurishankar | am confident, but since it is a production server, fear the most |
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| 07:31.34 | kaiux | then do it |
| 07:31.44 | kaiux | it is your own decision |
| 07:31.47 | gaurishankar | ok kaix |
| 07:32.05 | gaurishankar | I will perform the same and will joined the session again |
| 07:32.11 | gaurishankar | thanks for ur guidence |
| 07:32.32 | kaiux | please, take a look at debian-handbook.info |
| 07:32.45 | gaurishankar | thanks |
| 07:33.06 | kaiux | you can trust Debian, but backup is your friend! |
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| 07:34.43 | Lope | Can I run a jessie LXC image inside on a Wheezy host? I figured it was a bad idea. I've got an old Wheezy server. I decided to just install a wheezy LXC container (same) to avoid trouble... ? |
| 07:36.04 | gaurishankar | getting message that release is expired |
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| 07:37.39 | gaurishankar | kaiux , it is showing that release is expired |
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| 07:38.24 | gaurishankar | updates for this repository will not be applied |
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| 07:39.13 | kaiux | did you type apt-get update first? |
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| 07:39.24 | Lope | zsh is my default shell. I just debootstrapped a fresh debian wheezy into /mydir. Now I ran `chroot /mydir` and it says chroot: failed to run command /bin/zsh: no such file or directory. |
| 07:39.41 | Lope | So I typed bash to enter a bash shell, then tried the chroot again and got the same error.. ? |
| 07:41.00 | Lope | my ~/.bashrc is empty. my ~/.profile has nothing to do with ZSH |
| 07:41.32 | Lope | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:42.57 | Lope | I even changed /etc/passwd default shell to /bin/bash |
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| 07:43.21 | Lope | but perhaps the chrooted filesystem copied the /bin/zsh from the host /etc/passwd? |
| 07:43.23 | kaiux | Lope: I am not sure, but try chroot /yourchfiles /bin/bash |
| 07:44.00 | Lope | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:44.32 | Lope | cool it worked :) |
| 07:44.47 | Lope | thanks... weird? |
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| 07:50.50 | Lope | Can I disable memory cgroups without reboot? (without booting with cgroup_disable=memory) |
| 07:50.51 | Atomic_0RgB6 | hi I have run into a problem booting from my USB. |
| 07:51.04 | Atomic_0RgB6 | could someone please help |
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| 07:56.26 | harkx | hi all.. I'm trying to run "perf stat" in a vmware guest (debian, ubuntu, ..) but always get zero's back for the instructions and cycles results... on a physical machine I do get correct results, any ideas? |
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| 07:58.57 | gaurishankar | kaiux am getting the message that repository will not be applied |
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| 08:04.26 | Lope | I've started LXC container on my Banana Pi. It seems to be stuck. lxc-config showed all green stuff for kernel support. It's a Wheezy LXC container on a Wheezy host. Any ideas? http://codepad.org/k2Ke1pcR |
| 08:07.34 | baudtack | any ideas why keyboard doesn't work in kde, gnome, xfce, or xmonad but does in gdm and console? |
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| 08:14.04 | donnoc | hey friends, do you use duplicity or is there something better for backups? |
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| 08:21.39 | Lope | I'm experiencing the known bug, as you can see in my paste in my last msg. https://wiki.debian.org/LXC#Known_bugs_and_.22got_to_know_issues.22. I chrooted into the container then ran `mknod -m 660 dev/tty1` for tty 1-4 but it did not help at all. |
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| 08:23.11 | nickjam | hi community |
| 08:23.28 | nickjam | a question about the repositories |
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| 08:24.02 | nickjam | if I use testing, I don't get security update packages, right? |
| 08:24.18 | MACscr | im confused. if i delete all the iptables rules and its empty, why would i then not be able to ssh into the system until restore the rule set again? |
| 08:24.27 | MACscr | iptables -L -n -v shows them all empty |
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| 08:27.04 | narendranath_dut | I am using jessie as a virtual machine....when i want to install the tails installer packg thru synaptic manager, i is asks for the first installer dvd why ? I have encountered this in a normal installation why ? |
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| 08:32.58 | narendranath_dut | why does it asks for the installer dvd (jessie) when I am downloading a package using synaptic package manager |
| 08:33.15 | gl-prout | maybe your /etc/apt/sources.list have the DVD location path uncommented and your mirrors link commented |
| 08:33.20 | gl-prout | edit that file |
| 08:33.22 | at0m | narendranath_dut: the DVD is still in your sources.list? remove or #mute it out, |
| 08:33.36 | narendranath_dut | how ? |
| 08:33.49 | gl-prout | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:33.50 | at0m | synaptic has provision for that iirc |
| 08:34.27 | at0m | while you're at the command line, apt update :) |
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| 08:36.14 | holycow_ | hey guys |
| 08:36.39 | holycow_ | i have some old debian virtual machines setup by another tech. i have access to them, what i cannot figure out is how debian resets its root pass after reboot |
| 08:36.47 | holycow_ | nothing in cron anywhere |
| 08:37.11 | holycow_ | anyone know if there is a standard root pass reset mechanism of some sort? maybe the root is simply cleard out |
| 08:37.19 | holycow_ | the vms do have sudo enabled |
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| 08:37.38 | at0m | you can get root via sudo? then sudo su then passwd |
| 08:38.00 | at0m | else, have them boot from netinstall, then select rescue mode and chroot into the VM's / |
| 08:38.06 | holycow_ | yep, i have the credentials for an account that can access root via sudo su - |
| 08:38.10 | at0m | then you can passwd from there |
| 08:38.23 | holycow_ | that is fine i have access to root. i reset the root pass, reboot the vm and the reset pass is no longer valid |
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| 08:38.29 | holycow_ | either very weird or clerver |
| 08:38.38 | at0m | i don't know then |
| 08:39.31 | holycow_ | i know, head scratcher! |
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| 08:39.54 | msn | unless the VMs are running from snapshot |
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| 08:40.33 | holycow_ | good insight. checked, no snapshots |
| 08:40.48 | msn | i meant the VMs were created from snapshot of another host |
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| 08:40.58 | msn | so on reboot they reust the snapshot |
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| 08:41.11 | msn | the password going back to what was for snapshot |
| 08:41.12 | holycow_ | hmmm .. .excellent point! |
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| 08:44.38 | SparkySquirrel | um...what's the general solution for any Debian Jessie or Debian Jessie based distro with this [I am using a Debian Jessie derived distro not Debian]: Package git is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 08:45.11 | at0m | dpkg: tell SparkySquirrel about debian-based |
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| 08:45.57 | SparkySquirrel | at0m, ok hrm any way I could get help with this some other way not this channel but a more general channel? |
| 08:46.11 | SparkySquirrel | I wonder if there's a #cbpp or something |
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| 08:46.13 | at0m | SparkySquirrel: in your distro's channel. |
| 08:46.16 | SparkySquirrel | k |
| 08:46.21 | SparkySquirrel | thanks! |
| 08:46.28 | at0m | good luck |
| 08:46.31 | SparkySquirrel | :) |
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| 08:49.13 | Lope | [SOLVED (above question)] https://github.com/simonvanderveldt/lxc-debian-wheezy-template |
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| 08:51.21 | AlwaysHigh | How can i make a program start with system boot? |
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| 08:51.35 | AlwaysHigh | like i have init.d files but not sure how to make them start up too |
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| 08:53.53 | hid3 | Hello. How do I extract only particular file extentions from a .zip file uzing `unzip'? |
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| 08:55.28 | dagerik | hid3: try the Unzip$Ext environment variable, or unzip -/ pdf option |
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| 09:00.43 | hid3 | well, I am unable to set Unzip$Ext variable, as it sets one variable ($Unzip) and $Ext is being treated as another one. anz 'unzip -/ txt archive.zip' does not work too - it prints help text of usage options... |
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| 09:02.07 | narendranath_dut | @gl-prout: I see two installer dvd (duplicate) in the synaptic pakage manager |
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| 09:02.48 | at0m | narendranath_dut: either remove these entrees, or insert the dvd |
| 09:02.50 | Lope | Do I actually need the locale's package? I did a minimal debootstrap install and it came without it, but anytime I install anything it complains that I don't have a locale configured? |
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| 09:04.56 | gl-prout | btw, how to add ppa repos? when I use the command provided on some websites, it doesn't work... don't remember the output though but it just doesn't work |
| 09:05.17 | gl-prout | I'm gonna re-ask that later, it's lunchtime over here |
| 09:05.42 | at0m | dpkg: tell gl-prout about ppa |
| 09:06.31 | ntz | hello |
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| 09:06.52 | gl-prout | thanks at0m |
| 09:07.16 | ntz | one question, is out there some commonly known repo for debiab 6.0.10 that contains an updated version of certain packages ? I need now zabbix 2.2.x for debian 6.0.10 |
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| 09:07.58 | msn | dpkg: tell msn about ppa |
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| 09:08.28 | msn | i am so glad debian doesn't have ppa |
| 09:08.32 | msn | and hopefully never will |
| 09:09.02 | msn | and anyway given the size of debian repos you never need ppas |
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| 09:13.49 | ntz | hmmm ... I need a little help with repos: http://repo.zabbix.com/zabbix/2.2/debian/pool/main/z/zabbix/ |
| 09:13.55 | ntz | is this a valid repository ? |
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| 09:18.38 | Zambezi | My Raspbian Jessie can ping 216.58.209.131 (aka google.com) but: Error resolving google.com Name or service not known. How can I fix this? No working Xorg here atm. |
| 09:19.25 | nevyn | !rasbian |
| 09:19.29 | nevyn | !raspbian |
| 09:19.30 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 09:20.17 | ntz | Zambezi: because you have not set properly nameservers in etc/resolv.conf |
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| 09:23.26 | Zambezi | ntz: That's weird cause it's overwritten now with an emtpy file. |
| 09:23.41 | nevyn | Zambezi: resolvconfd |
| 09:23.50 | nevyn | or n-m these days |
| 09:24.05 | nevyn | Zambezi: but #raspbian !! not here |
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| 09:25.05 | ntz | nevyn: relax |
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| 09:26.48 | ntz | again, can anyone tell me how should looks like appropriate lines in sources.list in order to add this repo: http://repo.zabbix.com/zabbix/2.2/debian/pool/main/z/zabbix/ ? |
| 09:27.08 | ntz | for 6.0.10 |
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| 09:28.10 | nevyn | deb http://repo.zabbix.com/zabbix/2.2 main |
| 09:28.17 | nevyn | maybe /debian main |
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| 09:29.45 | Zambezi | ntz: Thanks alot! /etc/init.d networking restart overwritten the resolv.conf with a faulty configuration file. |
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| 09:44.50 | mangys | hello |
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| 09:47.21 | remind | Good morning everyone. I tried a refresh install due to trying too many suggestions to get my GPU working with Debian 8. I have a NVIDIA GTX950M and I currently get this error: [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied |
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| 09:48.32 | remind | My computer, I was lead to believe, uses the hybrid system between intel and the GTX 950M. The only thing I've done so far is followed these steps: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 09:49.38 | remind | And under the Common Issues, I followed all of the steps according to what is suggested, minus downgrading libdrm from 2.4.58 to 2.4.56. Unless someone thinks that may resolve the issue? |
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| 09:52.22 | at0m | dpkg: tell remind about downgrades |
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| 09:53.01 | at0m | that wiki really suggests to downgrade? |
| 09:53.24 | remind | at0m, "You might also try downgrading libdrm from 2.4.58 to 2.4.56. That might fix the Permission denied errors in Jessie. " |
| 09:54.21 | remind | at0m, before that it suggests that I should append the /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia file with a "Screen" section, which I've done and restarted as well. Still no changes to the Permission denied error |
| 09:54.27 | jelly | ,v hyperv-daemons |
| 09:54.28 | judd | Package: hyperv-daemons on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16.7-ckt20-1; jessie-backports: 4.3.1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.3.1-2; sid: 4.3.1-2; experimental: 4.4-1~exp2 |
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| 09:55.23 | mangys | i am having trouble with the installation about requiring some non-free firmware |
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| 09:56.18 | at0m | remind: idk about that specific issue :/ |
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| 09:56.34 | jelly | remind: the only place to find 2.4.56 may be snapshot.debian.org |
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| 09:59.06 | mangys | can these missing non-free firmware be installed later on? or do they have to be installed in the beginning? Is there anyway to boot into live mode and put the missing files in my hard drive or something? |
| 09:59.34 | at0m | mangys: you'll need to make sure sources.list has non-free, for example it'll end in "main contrib non-free". then "apt update && apt install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree". or do an "apt show firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree first, so you know which has your firmware and install just that. |
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| 10:00.13 | at0m | mangys: long as it's not firmware required by your network card, you can install that later |
| 10:00.26 | at0m | mangys: but you'll need network for that |
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| 10:00.47 | mangys | i think it is network about wifi |
| 10:00.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell mangys -about firmware image |
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| 10:01.47 | babilen | mangys: Which network card do you have? (or: What is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ?) |
| 10:02.16 | tmi | Hello, I am trying to install libpcap. I issue the command sudo dpkg -i libpcap0.8_1.4.0-2_amd64.deb. I recieve the error "dpkg: error processing package libpcap0.8_1.4.0-2_amd64 (--install): package libpcap0.8amd64 1.4.0-2 cannot be configured because libpcap0.8:i386 is at a different version (1.7.4-2kali1) |
| 10:02.41 | at0m | tmi: kali? see #kali |
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| 10:02.53 | at0m | dpkg: tell tmi about debian-based |
| 10:03.40 | Bicou | Hi. I got /dev/sdc to go missing and it appeared again as /dev/sde. Is there any think I can look at to understand what happened? I was able to lazy umount and then remount and it worked (my fstab uses blkid so no issues with name under /dev). |
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| 10:04.02 | jelly | Bicou: /var/log/kern.log, or dmesg |
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| 10:04.25 | Bicou | daemon.log tells me that smartd was reporting me that 1 sector was failed (as every night for a few weeks now), but then the next line is /dev/sdc: no such device |
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| 10:05.07 | Bicou | kern.log: EXT4-fs (sde1): recovery complete |
| 10:05.10 | Bicou | Weird. |
| 10:05.29 | Bicou | Lots of EXT4-fs warning (device sdc1): __ext4_read_dirblock:902: error reading directory block |
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| 10:05.41 | Bicou | Drive starting to fail bad? |
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| 10:07.15 | Bicou | OK kern.log proved to have a lot of useful information. Thanks! |
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| 10:11.34 | remind | Not sure if you guys saw my question about my GTX 950M, I know at0m replied a few times. But something I thought about, with this new install, is that I haven't installed any actual NVIDIA Drivers. I also read that with Jessie there's no support for my GPU with version 3.40.xx. However, I can't seem to find ANYTHING NVIDIA related other than bumblee (which I installed) |
| 10:12.05 | jelly | Bicou: you'll have to pastebin all the context if you want an assessment, filesystem errors are probably just a consequence and the actual error is abouve |
| 10:12.59 | jelly | (if it were just fs errors, you wouldn't see the device disconnect uncleanly and reconnect as different /dev/sd) |
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| 10:19.07 | mangys | babilen: |
| 10:19.45 | mangys | output says Intel Corporation Centrino wireless-N 2230 |
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| 10:21.07 | babilen | mangys: You need firmware-iwlwifi for that one (which is also included in the firmware image) |
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| 10:22.33 | babilen | remind: jessie-backports has 340.96-4~bpo8+1 -- not sure if that is "new enough". Installation of the NVIDIA drivers are covered on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers -- Please note that for Optimus hardware https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee should be considered |
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| 10:23.52 | babilen | remind: The version in jessie is also 340.96 .. You could check its README on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/340.96/README/README.txt for support of your specific card. |
| 10:24.16 | babilen | It's PCIID probably comes in handy for that which you can obtain by running "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" |
| 10:24.43 | remind | babilen, "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" doesn't yield any results for NVIDIA |
| 10:24.52 | remind | "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06) |
| 10:24.52 | remind | " |
| 10:25.07 | mangys | so do i have to download and burn that do the installation again because i already installed the kde image :p isn't there like some other way like download them on a different computer and transfer the files to a usb and then install it in debian? |
| 10:25.28 | babilen | remind: Well, check the entire output of "lspci -nn" |
| 10:25.33 | remind | lspci, alone, does have this in the list of results: "01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 139a (rev a2)" |
| 10:25.43 | babilen | And "lspci -nn" ? |
| 10:25.57 | remind | babilen: "01:00.0 3D controller [0302]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:139a] (rev a2)" |
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| 10:26.17 | remind | Also, I followed that bumblee wiki as well. The only thing I didn't do was the suggestion to downgrade the libdm |
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| 10:27.25 | babilen | remind: Yeah, if you search for "139a" in the README I linked earlier you'll see that your card is not supported. |
| 10:27.41 | babilen | judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:27.42 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.96-4~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 340.96-4; sid/non-free: 352.79-1 |
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| 10:27.56 | remind | Yeah it is, "GeForce GTX 950M 139A E" |
| 10:28.06 | remind | From here, right? http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/352.21/README/supportedchips.html |
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| 10:28.32 | babilen | remind: sid has 352.79-1, and on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/352.79/README/README.txt you do indeed find your card |
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| 10:34.00 | mangys | why does it say unofficial? isn't it a genuine version of debian? (the image i mean) |
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| 10:35.05 | ossii | been a happy debian user on the server side/console for some years.. I have now decided to give the desktop a go and so far VERY happy with it.. however, there is one thing Im struggling with.. sound, in particular console "beep". Either from ssh'ing where the remote uses "bell" (irssi for example). |
| 10:35.09 | babilen | mangys: It is not official in the sense that the official mirror is restricted to "main" (i.e. free software) |
| 10:35.21 | ossii | This "bell" sound comes out trough my PC speakers rather than the headset.. |
| 10:36.06 | babilen | dpkg: bell |
| 10:36.07 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
| 10:36.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell ossii -about pcspkr |
| 10:36.32 | babilen | Blacklisting should do it. |
| 10:37.30 | ossii | then it should rather come to the "main audo device", in my case, usually the USB headset? |
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| 10:38.08 | ossii | I want the notifications, just not so loudly out trough my PC speakers :) |
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| 10:39.55 | babilen | ossii: I have disabled the bell for decades and have no idea what one would do to get it working in the way you want it to. I am sure that one can convince debian/PA/alsa/.. to play it over the default sink rather than the pc speaker, but don't know how by heart. |
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| 10:40.23 | mangys | babilen : is there a free alternative for my network controller? or it will only work with the non-free one? |
| 10:41.07 | babilen | mangys: That particular hardware requires firmware. There is no way to get around it. |
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| 10:41.46 | babilen | Much like every CPU requires microcode (which is why one should *always* install amd64-microcode or intel-microcode on *every* computer for AMD and Intel CPUs respectively) |
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| 10:42.55 | mangys | so that unofficial image will have my network working again and then i wil have to use net-install? won't there be any graphical option? |
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| 10:43.28 | babilen | That installer should come with a graphical interface also |
| 10:44.00 | babilen | The "netinstall" pertains to the fact that the installer downloads packages from the internet during the installation, rather than loading all of them from CD/USB |
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| 10:44.20 | babilen | Please also note that "netinstall" is not the same as a network install via PXE |
| 10:47.10 | Bicou | jelly: I know that the drive is old and dying. I get notifications from smartd every night that there are a few dead sectors |
| 10:47.30 | Bicou | Also, it got me wondering: is it safe to run long smart tests every x days? |
| 10:47.41 | Bicou | I just setup a cron job for once a week, is it too much? |
| 10:47.54 | mangys | alright will burn it now and give it a try :p this is the third time i am downloading a debian image, burning and installing all in the last few hours. First i got the cd-1 image and it wasnt working, then I tried the live-kde image and it installed but no network, so this will be my third. Before these i was trying to install Qubes OS and it had errors too. Been a long night of trying out Systems |
| 10:49.37 | Bicou | jelly: I have uploaded smart info here: http://pastebin.com/RYjCdLbS |
| 10:50.26 | Bicou | the latest test failed when the drive "rebooted" and went from /dev/sdc to /dev/sde |
| 10:51.56 | Bicou | I also didn't know the drive was that old. Bought it december 2008, so I guess it worked really well. |
| 10:53.45 | babilen | mangys: You could just install the firmware in the installed, but offline, system manually (download the firmware-iwlwifi package and install it with dpkg -i) |
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| 10:58.05 | Tealyf | Hi |
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| 11:06.31 | Tealyf | Is there someone who possesses an AOC E1649FWU USB-Monitor, and has succeeded in installing the drivers on Debian ? |
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| 11:08.29 | ntz | Tealyf: http://jochen.kirstaetter.name/blog/linux/using-aoc-usb-monitor-in-ubuntu-1304-displaylink-e1649fwu.html |
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| 11:10.22 | mangys | do i download the .dsc or the .tar.gz file for the firmware? |
| 11:10.59 | ntz | .deb file |
| 11:11.54 | Tealyf | Thanks ntz I've tried it unsuccessfully yesterday. I alsot ried with Adnan Hodzic script, but not luck either. |
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| 11:12.55 | mangys | ntz : i dont see any .deb file |
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| 11:14.21 | abramart | Anyone that knows how to change 'nofile limit' for a service when using systemd (such as on Debian 8)? It seems systemd services ignore systemwide limits from /etc/security/limits.conf. |
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| 11:19.44 | mangys | alright thanks found the .deb file |
| 11:21.33 | bumbar_ | when creating network daemons, is it better (in terms of security, etc) that they can only be started as root and they drop privileges after forking, or that they can't be run as root at all? |
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| 11:28.05 | doublehp | is there an online memory tester ? |
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| 11:29.14 | bazhang | #trivialand doublehp |
| 11:30.15 | doublehp | not online like network; online like in "i can not use xf86memtest because it's not a classic PC with BIOS" |
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| 11:30.56 | bazhang | oh that memory |
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| 11:33.40 | doublehp | !help |
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| 11:36.08 | doublehp | who made dpkg forget about untrusted and security help sections ??? |
| 11:36.13 | doublehp | they were usefull !!! |
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| 11:39.20 | ksx4system | service laptop-mode restart throws "Couldn't connect to" error, what's going on? |
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| 11:39.33 | ksx4system | would be great if I knew *what* it couldn't connect to |
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| 11:40.31 | doublehp | ksx4system: report the bug |
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| 11:40.53 | teraflops | laptop-mode is a piece of crap imo, just use powertop |
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| 11:42.22 | teraflops | I cannot find a reason to even use acpid anymore |
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| 11:47.41 | ksx4system | teraflops, it's cool stuff to manage things like sleep on closed lid, lower CPU speed on battery power etc |
| 11:48.24 | jelly | doublehp: there's memtester but being userspace it has its drawbacks |
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| 11:49.52 | doublehp | jelly: it's a start |
| 11:50.44 | doublehp | teraflops: like "go to slip when i close screen", and "wake when i open it". saves user efforts |
| 11:50.54 | doublehp | makes life more comfortable |
| 11:51.17 | teraflops | yeah you do not need laptop mode tools for doing that |
| 11:51.56 | teraflops | it's kinda redundant layer |
| 11:52.07 | teraflops | but it's just my opinion |
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| 12:07.30 | oty | Hey |
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| 12:08.44 | oty | is there a gui software in debian that would run in bacground some update time to time and ask for upgrade is there is something to do ? I guess there is, but I do not find the package. |
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| 12:11.56 | nkuttler | oty: package upgrades? synaptic might do that, no idea |
| 12:12.33 | oty | I mean something in background that would notify me if there is something to do |
| 12:12.40 | oty | not something you go manually check |
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| 12:13.25 | jelly | oty: apper for KDE. There's something for Gnome but I don't recall the name |
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| 12:13.48 | jelly | look at packages that depend on packagekit components |
| 12:13.51 | oty | jelly, yes, the stuff in gnome I was looking for x) |
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| 12:14.24 | jelly | doesn't know anything about Gnome |
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| 12:14.52 | oty | probably does not know much more |
| 12:15.40 | jelly | ,whatdepends packagekit |
| 12:15.43 | teraflops | I recall something in gnome (wheezy) poking about upgrades |
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| 12:17.52 | jelly | ,i update-notifier |
| 12:17.53 | judd | Package update-notifier (oldlibs, extra) in jessie/amd64: Transitional package (update-notifier -> gnome-packagekit). Version: 3.14.0-1; Size: 256.2k; Installed: 280k; Homepage: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-packagekit/stable/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/update-notifier |
| 12:17.54 | rob_ | hi, it looks like a broken package has been introduced into jessie, i was wondering how quickly these things get fixed: libcurl4-gnutls-dev : Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (= 7.38.0-4+deb8u2) but 7.38.0-4+deb8u3 is to be installed |
| 12:18.17 | oty | glory to you jelly |
| 12:18.20 | jelly | ,v libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
| 12:18.21 | judd | Package: libcurl4-gnutls-dev on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security-lts: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze12; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u2; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u3; stretch: 7.46.0-1+b1; sid: 7.47.0-1 |
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| 12:18.47 | jelly | rob_: you may be missing the security repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:18.54 | jelly | dpkg, tell rob_ about jessie sources.list |
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| 12:19.57 | rob_ | jelly: thanks for the tip. i thought we had enabled security repo but will double check our mirrors are up-to-date |
| 12:20.29 | jelly | security repo is separate from normal mirrors |
| 12:20.37 | rob_ | yeah, i realise that :) |
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| 12:21.52 | rob_ | jelly: infact, we do have the security repo enabled, the problem is that the security repo provides a newer package than what the package depends on and is thus breaking the dependency |
| 12:22.25 | rob_ | if we were to remove the security repo then 7.38-0-4+deb8u2 would be installed from main and there wouldnt be an issue |
| 12:23.21 | rob_ | libcurl3-gnutls should depend on '>=' not '=' 7.38.0-4+deb8u2 |
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| 12:23.40 | rob_ | or the dependency version needs bumping to 8u3 |
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| 12:25.32 | rob_ | jelly: unless im mistaken? |
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| 12:27.05 | jelly | rob_: it's not unusual for binary packages built from the same source to depend on exact versions of their "sibling" |
| 12:27.42 | rob_ | jelly: ok, so the dependency chain for this package is broken then |
| 12:27.49 | jelly | aptitude (or apt) will upgrade all of them at the same time, normally |
| 12:28.00 | rob_ | we use puppet to manage our servers, it uses apt |
| 12:28.06 | jelly | rob_: or an admin requested some package not to be upgraded |
| 12:28.17 | rob_ | we havent pinned anything |
| 12:28.17 | jelly | !bat |
| 12:28.18 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for ALL packages involved, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:28.47 | jelly | rob_: show the exact command line your tool runs, and all the other requested info |
| 12:28.57 | rob_ | jelly: but cant you tell from just looking at the package and its dependencies? |
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| 12:31.36 | Gr1 | Hi all |
| 12:31.41 | rob_ | jelly: the package in jessie-security looks like its the issue |
| 12:33.17 | Gr1 | I am trying to build a package with a dependency on a library |
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| 12:33.54 | Gr1 | I mentioned Depends: deplib (=1.0) in the control file to make sure that the dependency of my package is on deplib version 1 |
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| 12:34.54 | Gr1 | Is there a possibiility of someone upgrading deblib at a later point of time, to another version, or will apt-get make sure that since there is already a package installed that is having a dependency on version 1, don't upgrade? |
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| 12:35.53 | Gr1 | I prefer to avoid the pinning option, as it can grow large eventually |
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| 12:41.20 | Gr1 | Or let me put it this way, if I want to prevent upgrade of a dependent package without pinning the package name, is it possible to do it on the parent package ? |
| 12:44.17 | karlpinc | Gr1: Someone can update deplib, but apt will tell the user that it's removing your package. |
| 12:44.27 | jelly | rob_: could be. I'm however not willing to point fingers without looking at all that info first |
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| 12:45.07 | Gr1 | Is there anyway I can put in a conflit to update deplib? |
| 12:45.51 | rob_ | jelly: we've just rolled back our aptly security mirror to the 25th, the day before the deb was introduced to the security repo, now our apt runs are working again |
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| 12:46.19 | rob_ | jelly: any idea if there's somewhere i can track deb package changes? |
| 12:46.21 | karlpinc | Gr1: I'm not sure what the point is. If your package requires deplib 1.0 and the user wants to install a different deplib then your package will break and must be removed. |
| 12:46.24 | rob_ | is there like, a repo changelog? |
| 12:47.00 | Gr1 | karlpinc: What I want to achieve is, deplib shouldn't be upgraded unless package1 is updated. |
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| 12:47.15 | karlpinc | !tell rob_ about snapshot |
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| 12:47.38 | Gr1 | So if some user accidentaly do apt-get install deplib, it shouldn't get updated to deplib2 |
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| 12:48.01 | jelly | rob_: why are you not using the official security.d.o ? |
| 12:48.07 | karlpinc | Gr1: requires should work. I'm no expert. #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is the place to go for packaging experts. |
| 12:48.08 | rob_ | karlpinc: that isnt what i asked about |
| 12:48.17 | rob_ | jelly: we have 400 machines so we mirror the repos |
| 12:48.31 | Gr1 | Oh Alright Thanks a lot karlpinc. |
| 12:48.59 | jelly | rob_: you ought to use a proxy cache, not a mirror for security |
| 12:49.13 | rob_ | jelly: we use aptly |
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| 12:49.42 | jelly | rob_: doesn't sound like a caching proxy |
| 12:49.59 | rob_ | it isnt |
| 12:50.19 | rob_ | but if debian is going to introduce broken packages, we need some way to roll back |
| 12:50.31 | jelly | in absence of better info, I'll guess you were not mirroring security.d.o in a proper way |
| 12:50.56 | jelly | rob_: snapshot.debian.org is there to get older packages if needed |
| 12:51.01 | rob_ | both our mirrors are up-to-date, the problem is that a package in main depends on a package in main but a package in security is taking priority |
| 12:51.37 | jelly | rob_: that may be, but you still haven't showed the relevant info to let us assess that |
| 12:51.51 | rob_ | i would, but it's non-trivial for me to provide |
| 12:51.56 | jelly | shrugs |
| 12:52.12 | rob_ | point is, this should be provable without any info from me |
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| 12:53.31 | jelly | rob_: symptoms like yours are 90% of the time caused by a misconfig on the user's side. That's why I insist on seeing the actual state first |
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| 12:54.04 | rob_ | jelly: ok, i'll see what i can do |
| 12:54.17 | rob_ | thanks for the help |
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| 13:20.08 | jelly | va: typically you want package names that end with -dbg. So, do something like apt-cache search libc6 dbg |
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| 13:21.04 | jelly | va: amusingly for some reason "apt-cache search libc6 dbg" does not find libc6-dbg on my jessie here. |
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| 13:22.15 | TomTomTo1 | jelly: it does on mine... :D |
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| 14:16.11 | darxmurf | since last August :D |
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| 14:24.17 | babilen | darxmurf: hehe, "fast mode" ;) |
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| 14:45.45 | SynrG | !pal darxmurf |
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| 14:46.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys how can i get my motherboard info model etc from linux? |
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| 14:46.48 | SynrG | dmidecode is one way |
| 14:46.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | never learnded that one i got my cpu just need the board |
| 14:46.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 14:46.57 | SynrG | probably also lshw, and similar tools |
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| 14:47.33 | SynrG | !whats my hardware |
| 14:47.33 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 14:47.44 | SynrG | Eryn_1983_FL: lots of choices :) |
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| 14:48.01 | SynrG | (not all of which show you the specific info you want, btw) |
| 14:48.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | ASRock |
| 14:48.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | E80-29031001311 |
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| 14:48.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | shit wrong window |
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| 14:50.48 | debianpattern | hi mates |
| 14:50.59 | debianpattern | I have debiian xfce 64bits |
| 14:51.11 | debianpattern | and I have a problem installing skype |
| 14:51.18 | debianpattern | someone can help me please? |
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| 14:51.59 | babilen | Did you follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/skype ? |
| 14:52.07 | debianpattern | yes |
| 14:52.09 | debianpattern | sure |
| 14:52.27 | SynrG | babilen: did you follow the correct set of instructions on that page for your architecture? |
| 14:52.43 | babilen | I did, SynrG |
| 14:52.46 | SynrG | and for your debian release? |
| 14:52.50 | babilen | Not sure about debianpattern though ;) |
| 14:52.51 | SynrG | haha |
| 14:52.54 | SynrG | debianpattern: ^^ |
| 14:53.15 | debianpattern | the problem seems to be 64bits |
| 14:53.27 | babilen | debianpattern: What is the actual problem you encounter? Could you paste the command(s) and output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:53.36 | SynrG | 64 bits instructions are fine *if* you follow the instructions for the right release |
| 14:53.51 | SynrG | i.e. don't just jump your eyeballs to the wheezy 64 bits instructions and assume you have the right section |
| 14:54.16 | debianpattern | I used 64 bits not gdebi |
| 14:54.56 | babilen | So, which instructions did you follow exactly, which release are you running and what is the error you are getting? Provide applicable commands and output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:54.59 | SynrG | debianpattern: so you followed exactly this: https://wiki.debian.org/skype#Frequently_Ask_Questions_.28F.A.Q..29_for_Jessie_64_bits |
| 14:55.01 | SynrG | ? |
| 14:55.07 | debianpattern | the error is this one: skype:i386 |
| 14:55.19 | babilen | Please don't paste into the channel |
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| 14:56.39 | SynrG | babilen: that page is a gawdawful mess |
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| 14:58.08 | debianpattern | how can I start over? |
| 14:58.26 | debianpattern | start from zero again the installation |
| 14:58.39 | darxmurf | apt-get purge skype |
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| 14:59.06 | debianpattern | ok |
| 14:59.11 | debianpattern | now what I have to do? |
| 14:59.18 | thomasfu` | how would i change the default python to python 3.x? |
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| 14:59.40 | debianpattern | following https://wiki.debian.org/skype#Frequently_Ask_Questions_.28F.A.Q..29_for_Jessie_64_bits |
| 14:59.46 | debianpattern | to letter, right? |
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| 15:00.05 | SynrG | debianpattern: be aware that in the other instructions, 'dpkg -i' is *supposed* to give errors |
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| 15:00.13 | SynrG | and then 'apt-get -f install' after, fixes it up |
| 15:00.35 | SynrG | if you stopped at the errors, you didn't give it a chance :) |
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| 15:00.49 | babilen | debianpattern: Could you *PLEASE* paste your commands and their output? |
| 15:01.14 | debianpattern | ok |
| 15:01.19 | babilen | \o/ |
| 15:01.25 | babilen | Took some convincing :D |
| 15:02.07 | darxmurf | :D |
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| 15:07.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianpattern -about localised errors |
| 15:08.06 | babilen | debianpattern: Did you configure multiarch ? |
| 15:08.18 | debianpattern | yes |
| 15:08.25 | debianpattern | first thing I done |
| 15:08.35 | debianpattern | is the first command, right? |
| 15:08.58 | SynrG | the first and second commands, yes |
| 15:09.09 | SynrG | it doesn't take effect until 'apt-get update' |
| 15:09.29 | debianpattern | I will try again |
| 15:09.38 | SynrG | then the wget downloads it. then the dpkg -i command *will* give errors |
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| 15:09.50 | SynrG | then apt-get -f install afterwards fixes things up |
| 15:09.56 | kikadisa | Hello everyone |
| 15:09.58 | SynrG | i've updated the wiki instructions to clarify the errors are expected. |
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| 15:10.26 | kikadisa | i would like to know if it's possible to use an ldap directory with password hashed in SSHA for authentification. |
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| 15:10.47 | kikadisa | can i keep my SSHA password or do i need to re create them in an other hash ? |
| 15:11.31 | debianpattern | the problem seems to be this libssl1.0.0:i386 |
| 15:12.14 | babilen | debianpattern: Could you paste all your commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net ? Please prefix them with "LC_ALL=C " to get output in English |
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| 15:13.41 | debianpattern | sorry but I am relatively new on this |
| 15:14.45 | debianpattern | if I use aptitude it give me error |
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| 15:14.51 | debianpattern | I have to use apt-get |
| 15:14.55 | babilen | That's okay .. Just copy and paste the content of your shell to that website. I'm sure we'll be able to make some sense of it :) |
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| 15:18.40 | debianpattern | http://paste.debian.net/plain/377449 |
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| 15:18.47 | debianpattern | this is it |
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| 15:19.12 | debianpattern | is the output of the 3d command |
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| 15:20.15 | debianpattern | right before to download skype |
| 15:21.32 | debianpattern | is it solvable? |
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| 15:22.26 | balance | hi |
| 15:22.34 | SynrG | debianpattern: you didn't copy enough |
| 15:22.46 | SynrG | debianpattern: we can't see what command you typed. when showing us output, always include that |
| 15:22.57 | debianpattern | ok |
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| 15:23.26 | balance | I'm on a VM generated using vagrant - my problem is: root@devserver:~# cd /var/www |
| 15:23.26 | balance | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.27 | balance | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.38 | babilen | And include the commands before that also (the dpkg -i, configuration of multiarch, apt-get update, ...) |
| 15:23.48 | debianpattern | http://paste.debian.net/plain/377452 |
| 15:23.51 | debianpattern | here you are |
| 15:24.14 | debianpattern | SynrG here you are |
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| 15:24.23 | debianpattern | http://paste.debian.net/plain/377452 |
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| 15:24.49 | darxmurf | balance: what's the result of ls -ld /var/www/ |
| 15:24.50 | darxmurf | ? |
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| 15:25.20 | balance | darxmurf, drwxrwxr-x 1 www-data www-data 4096 Jan 29 15:00 /var/www |
| 15:25.39 | debianpattern | guys please give me 20 min |
| 15:25.44 | debianpattern | I will be right back |
| 15:25.49 | SynrG | debianpattern: i don't know your debian release. |
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| 15:26.04 | debianpattern | Synrg is debian testing 64 |
| 15:26.13 | debianpattern | installed via netinstall with xfce |
| 15:26.19 | SynrG | debianpattern: you didn't say that. we assumed debian stable. |
| 15:26.25 | SynrG | so these are the wrong instructions |
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| 15:26.39 | debianpattern | which are the right ones? |
| 15:26.51 | SynrG | the ones for stretch |
| 15:26.56 | darxmurf | will get popcorn :D |
| 15:27.10 | darxmurf | balance: and ls -l /var/www |
| 15:27.20 | SynrG | debianpattern: interesting. it doesn't list any for stretch |
| 15:27.22 | stoned | Any tips for zfs on debian jessie? |
| 15:27.29 | darxmurf | do you get the listing of the files inside the folder ? |
| 15:27.36 | balance | darxmurf, op. not permitted |
| 15:27.40 | stoned | I have 2x3TB in a zpool, mirrored |
| 15:27.48 | SynrG | debianpattern: but in any case, the "jessie" FAQ for "wheezy instructions don't work" are not applicable to stretch |
| 15:27.53 | stoned | I have 2x 1TB, and 2x 2TB also |
| 15:27.59 | stoned | I'm not sure how to use them. |
| 15:28.03 | SynrG | ,v libssl1.0.0 --arch i386 |
| 15:28.04 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u19; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u19; jessie: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; sid: 1.0.2d-1 |
| 15:28.07 | stoned | (what I should do w/ them) |
| 15:28.11 | babilen | debianpattern: It essentially boils down to: 1. Download skype .deb 2. Configure multiarch 3. dpkg -i skype.deb 4. apt-get -f install 5. PROFIT (for skype) |
| 15:28.12 | tharkun | Brigo: Server restarted fine. I'm scheduling some major revamp for that server on the near future. |
| 15:28.13 | darxmurf | balance: did you apply some ACL ? |
| 15:28.16 | balance | darxmurf, group and owner is www-data of /var/www |
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| 15:28.40 | darxmurf | yep but access rights are 775 |
| 15:28.49 | balance | darxmurf, it's a vagrant generated box (using puphpet.com) usually it always worked great |
| 15:28.49 | babilen | But it looks as if libssl1.0.0 is not available in stretch. You'll have to pull it from unstable .. for that configure a testing/unstable mix as in |
| 15:28.51 | tharkun | karlpinc: Local hdd->hdd backup was a breeze. Just need to make a trip there to retrieve it. |
| 15:28.51 | SynrG | babilen: s/skype.deb/skype-install.deb/ |
| 15:28.52 | darxmurf | which means you should be able to list/enter |
| 15:28.53 | babilen | dpkg: tum |
| 15:28.53 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 15:29.04 | balance | darxmurf, yeah I just wanted to tell you :P more info can't hurt. |
| 15:29.09 | darxmurf | yep :) |
| 15:29.18 | tharkun | babilen: Aloha, how is life on the cold north? |
| 15:29.23 | darxmurf | there is no mount point on this folder ? /var/www ? |
| 15:29.36 | darxmurf | or symlink ? |
| 15:29.40 | darxmurf | broken one I mean |
| 15:29.40 | babilen | tharkun: In Berlin right now .. not too cold (and life is quite alright) |
| 15:30.03 | stoned | I'm trying to figure ou thow to mount a zfs mirror as /home. Currently I use zfs command to create a zpool and it's automatically mounted. But how can I customize the mount point (can't seem to find that) |
| 15:30.20 | stoned | Not even sure what to put in fstab. |
| 15:30.24 | darxmurf | tharkun: un Lausanne switzerland, the snow is melting because of this crappy winter |
| 15:30.32 | darxmurf | s/un/in/ |
| 15:30.47 | stoned | zpool/media on /home/stoned/media type zfs (rw,relatime,xattr,noacl) |
| 15:30.53 | babilen | debianpattern: So, configure the default release, add unstable and off you go. |
| 15:30.56 | stoned | How would you put that in fstab for /home |
| 15:31.01 | SynrG | debianpattern: also, testing is not for newbies / people requiring huge amounts of assistance to solve simple dependency issues like this. if you're running it because you needed to support newer hardware, consider using stable + backports instead. if you're using it for other reasons, good luck ... it will be a real education ... there are quite a number of things you will need to learn to prevent yourself from completely shooting yourself in the |
| 15:31.01 | SynrG | foot. |
| 15:31.02 | balance | darxmurf, hm, vbox default sharing folder feature is set to it so it might be mounted, hmm. |
| 15:31.03 | stoned | just zpoo/media? |
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| 15:31.13 | balance | darxmurf, yeah witner sucks this year :( |
| 15:31.28 | tharkun | babilen: Nice to know. Got to run to get to the office right now bbl. |
| 15:31.43 | darxmurf | balance: check this mount stuff |
| 15:31.54 | darxmurf | this could be the problem |
| 15:31.57 | balance | darxmurf, yeah, didn't think about it :P |
| 15:32.00 | tharkun | darxmurf: Sorry to hear that. I have a pending trip there. As soon as I get enough $$$ you are quite far away :) |
| 15:32.04 | stoned | SynrG: I've been using debian for 15 years, I still use stable. |
| 15:32.23 | stoned | uses a sid and a testing chroot for new app software, packacing and testing. |
| 15:32.28 | stoned | But I always have a stable base. |
| 15:32.28 | darxmurf | tharkun: nop, we are in the middle of the world ;) |
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| 15:32.33 | SynrG | stoned: i'd be happy to talk about this on #debian-offtopic ... |
| 15:32.35 | stoned | You can mess up a chroot, and setup another no big deal. |
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| 15:33.03 | stoned | That method for me works best instead of mucking up the installed system on the actual physical machine |
| 15:33.03 | darxmurf | Yay, beer time folks ! |
| 15:33.08 | darxmurf | have a good week-end ! |
| 15:33.16 | stoned | SynrG: this isn't offtopic. |
| 15:33.21 | SynrG | stoned: none of what you've described would help a naive user |
| 15:33.25 | stoned | You guys are actually discussing that. |
| 15:33.27 | SynrG | so, offtopic |
| 15:33.34 | SynrG | i don't care what "works for you" |
| 15:33.40 | balance | darxmurf, hmm, moutned it "by hand" now it seems to work - thanks |
| 15:33.48 | darxmurf | welcome :) |
| 15:34.01 | stoned | I do care what works for me and it might could work for another. To tell someone of another method to do something isn't offtopic to me. |
| 15:34.02 | darxmurf | I'll be in Berlin begining of march |
| 15:34.03 | balance | darxmurf, if u r swiss try the winter beer from Turbinenbräu (if u liek dark ones) :P byebye |
| 15:34.09 | stoned | If you wish to argue about this, feel free to /msg me. |
| 15:34.24 | darxmurf | yep I like dark ones but serious ones :) |
| 15:34.26 | SynrG | stoned: after the long and painful help session with debianpattern so far, i've assessed their skill level as "absolute beginner" |
| 15:34.38 | stoned | Oh? |
| 15:34.39 | SynrG | stoned: so your contributions are not helpful |
| 15:34.51 | stoned | Then they obviously would not be. |
| 15:34.53 | Brigo | tharkun, great :) |
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| 15:35.02 | darxmurf | balance: http://bit.ly/1QKXrgR 12.2% |
| 15:35.05 | darxmurf | <3 |
| 15:35.06 | stoned | This isn't a trivial thing to setup. However it IS anothe rvalid method, and he's not he only one reading., |
| 15:35.16 | stoned | Often peopel wlatch support channels to learn htings they already didn't know. |
| 15:35.28 | babilen | Let's move on, okay? |
| 15:35.32 | stoned | Be mindful of that as well. Knowledge in this regard wasn't useless. |
| 15:35.45 | balance | darxmurf, :P cheers |
| 15:35.55 | SynrG | not useless. just useless to debianpattern. and yes, moving on ... |
| 15:36.00 | stoned | You're just being a bit too overzealsou w/ the offtopicness of something that's perfectly ontopic. But whatever. I don't want to argue. Carry on. |
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| 15:36.09 | SynrG | (please note debianpattern isn't even here) |
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| 15:39.46 | three_legs | Hello, I'm having some serious problems building some simple code in testing with g++ is it only me or is the ifstream template broken ? |
| 15:40.05 | three_legs | or the stream template |
| 15:41.20 | nkuttler | three_legs: #debian-next on oftc for testing support |
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| 15:46.04 | three_legs | ty |
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| 15:48.19 | three_legs | no one is in there lol |
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| 15:49.01 | at0m | dpkg: tell three_legs about testing |
| 15:49.44 | three_legs | ah it's on a diffrent server |
| 15:49.46 | three_legs | ty |
| 15:49.46 | babilen | three_legs: The channel is on a different network, namely irc.oftc.net |
| 15:49.53 | babilen | (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 15:58.37 | newuser | anyone knows why i have high ping to google.com? |
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| 15:59.22 | r1k1 | traceroute may give some answers |
| 15:59.59 | r1k1 | like if you have lots of 10.x.x.x or 192.x.x.x adresses there your isp's network prolly sucks |
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| 16:00.25 | at0m | newuser: or bypass the dns and ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 16:02.19 | newuser | bypass and ping 8.8.8.8 and got a low ping |
| 16:02.35 | at0m | so look at your DNS server/ |
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| 16:04.47 | newuser | oh yeah just did another test i think it might be the dns |
| 16:04.58 | newuser | but on xubuntu it seems fine |
| 16:05.04 | newuser | strange |
| 16:05.14 | at0m | newuser: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are google dns servers |
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| 16:10.39 | newuser | i got it solve thanks |
| 16:11.06 | karlpinc | newuser: ping -n |
| 16:11.41 | karlpinc | (Google's reverse dns is slow, probably to discourage people from pinging.) |
| 16:12.03 | greycat | I seriously doubt that was a design consideration. |
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| 16:12.28 | dillocoling_ | yo |
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| 16:19.10 | greycat | It's getting worse and worse by the day. Wheezy's lynx is giving me "Alert!: Unable to make secure connection to remote host." for more and more and more and more and more and more and MORE https paste sites that people are apparently using. |
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| 16:20.32 | markybob | greycat, i wonder why that is. paste.debian.net is https |
| 16:20.53 | greycat | markybob: ... no, it's not |
| 16:21.06 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/ stays http:// for me. |
| 16:21.27 | greycat | ,v lynx |
| 16:21.27 | at0m | https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 16:21.27 | judd | Package: lynx on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.8dev.5-1; wheezy: 2.8.8dev.12-2; jessie: 2.8.9dev1-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.8.9dev8-1; sid: 2.8.9dev8-1; sid: 2.8.9dev8-4 |
| 16:21.29 | markybob | greycat, showing up that way on my browser. oh, it's both. |
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| 16:22.45 | gferencz | I recently installed xfce Jessie with encrypted LVM. It runs off of init rather than systemd. I don't recall doing this on purpose and thought systemd was enabled by default in Jessie. It isn't causing a problem; I'm just curious. Any ideas? |
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| 16:24.54 | greycat | finds http://bugs.debian.org/785383 |
| 16:24.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785383 in lynx-cur (closed, confirmed): «lynx: Can't connect to (some) https sites»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-15; last modified: 2015-07-19. |
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| 16:29.26 | greycat | ,v lynx-cur |
| 16:29.28 | judd | Package: lynx-cur on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.8dev.5-1; wheezy: 2.8.8dev.12-2; jessie: 2.8.9dev1-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.8.9dev8-1; sid: 2.8.9dev8-1; sid: 2.8.9dev8-4 |
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| 16:41.54 | handyandy | hello :) |
| 16:42.28 | handyandy | who's online? |
| 16:42.50 | nkuttler | !ask |
| 16:42.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:43.22 | greycat | JEEEESUS... the build-dep for lynx-cur => libgcrypto20-dev => texlive-latex-base + texlive-generic-recommended wants me to install 88 packages, 150 MB download, 366 MB disk... |
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| 16:46.14 | markybob | ouch |
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| 16:55.36 | Zambezi | I have the weirdest problem. After full-upgrade on Sid yesterday the keyboard (and mouse) stops working after I start Xorg. So I have to killall xinit remotely. Hooking up an extra keyboard won't help. Caps lock, Num lock indicators won't light. Any idea? |
| 16:56.31 | at0m | dpkg: tell Zambezi about testing |
| 16:57.03 | Zambezi | at0m: I know it is on OFTC but give me a break please. |
| 16:57.04 | karlpinc | greycat: Sounds like lyx instead of lynx. |
| 16:57.07 | at0m | Zambezi: same channel for sid. |
| 16:57.46 | at0m | Zambezi: you won't be the only one discussing that there ;) |
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| 16:58.14 | LambdaComplex | is gonna take a random guess and say "check lsusb and dmesg" |
| 16:58.22 | LambdaComplex | (and listen to at0m because he's probably right) |
| 16:59.01 | Zambezi | at0m: Don't want to be on OFTC too. Not for one channel only. |
| 16:59.38 | at0m | Zambezi: i know, that's how debian support works. |
| 16:59.41 | greycat | Well, what do you expect us to do about it? |
| 17:00.08 | LambdaComplex | What does OFTC mean? |
| 17:00.24 | greycat | open free something sometihng |
| 17:00.36 | at0m | LambdaComplex: it's the official debian network |
| 17:00.38 | greycat | !oftc |
| 17:00.38 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 17:01.04 | finetundra2234 | Afternoon folks |
| 17:01.18 | greycat | Unmet build dependencies: nettle-dev (>= 2.7) libp11-kit-dev (>= 0.20.7) autogen (>= 1:5.16-0) libgmp-dev (>= 2:6) |
| 17:01.23 | greycat | *sigh* it just goes on and on |
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| 17:02.56 | LambdaComplex | greycat: Why are you building it? |
| 17:03.09 | greycat | Because there is no wheezy-backports build of lynx. |
| 17:03.16 | greycat | So I am doing a "simple" backport... |
| 17:03.28 | debianpattern | hi guys I'm back |
| 17:03.40 | LambdaComplex | I'm afraid to ask what a "complicated" backport looks like |
| 17:03.41 | at0m | greycat: findoung out why there is no backport eh |
| 17:03.47 | at0m | *finding |
| 17:03.54 | greycat | dh_installdeb: unknown dpkg-maintscript-helper command: dir_to_symlink |
| 17:03.56 | debianpattern | so no way to install skype on debian testing 64 bits |
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| 17:04.38 | LambdaComplex | There's always a way! Probably |
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| 17:05.16 | r1k1 | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 17:05.16 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new ia64 chipset |
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| 17:05.28 | debianpattern | normal procedure does not work |
| 17:05.36 | debianpattern | the one described in the wiki |
| 17:05.58 | r1k1 | then get get deb from skype webpage |
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| 17:06.18 | LambdaComplex | Between being 32-bit only and requiring pulseaudio, I feel like Skype _might_ be a pos :P |
| 17:06.43 | cra1g321 | debianpattern, what steps did you follow ? there is no steps on the wiki for Stretch |
| 17:06.56 | greycat | Skype is also so unfree that RMS calls it out *specifically* by name as a thing he will never ever use. |
| 17:07.04 | at0m | +1 |
| 17:07.16 | debianpattern | https://wiki.debian.org/skype#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 |
| 17:07.31 | debianpattern | it says to follow the weezy one |
| 17:07.44 | cra1g321 | mmm. well it shouldnt |
| 17:07.46 | at0m | mumble runs great as an alternative to skype |
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| 17:08.11 | debianpattern | another questions guys |
| 17:08.16 | debianpattern | generally speaking |
| 17:08.22 | at0m | debianpattern: SynrG changed some in the wiki there after both of you talked |
| 17:08.47 | debianpattern | better using testing or stable+backports? |
| 17:08.49 | cra1g321 | would make more sense if you followed jessie's steps think, unless you dont need to pull in 32bit stuff for stretch |
| 17:08.59 | cra1g321 | testing is for "testing" |
| 17:09.07 | markybob | debian stable+backports definitely |
| 17:09.11 | cra1g321 | and isnt supported by the security team |
| 17:09.11 | cra1g321 | so...... |
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| 17:09.25 | LambdaComplex | Is tox actually usable? |
| 17:09.50 | debianpattern | stable +backports is safe? |
| 17:09.59 | greycat | So, uh, what the hell is a dpkg-maintscript-helper exactly, and someone *please* tell me I don't have to upgrade to jessie's version of dpkg (!!) as a build dep for a stupid text mode browser |
| 17:10.01 | markybob | debianpattern, yes |
| 17:10.17 | markybob | greycat, haha |
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| 17:11.00 | debianpattern | so I will have stability, security updates and newer programs using backports |
| 17:11.02 | debianpattern | ? |
| 17:11.08 | cra1g321 | yes |
| 17:11.32 | markybob | debianpattern, it's a beautiful thing, isn't it? :P |
| 17:11.40 | greycat | The specific backported program will not get regular security updates, but the rest of your packages will. |
| 17:11.40 | debianpattern | and if I iinstall backports, they will receive updates automatically? |
| 17:11.49 | greycat | no |
| 17:12.08 | debianpattern | how it work? |
| 17:12.10 | cra1g321 | you should check what versions of software you actually need, you might not need to even use backports, plus latest version is not always the best version ;) |
| 17:12.43 | debianpattern | I wuld like to install last xfce version |
| 17:12.53 | stoned | Use stable always. Until you actually have a specific need for a package version not found in stable. |
| 17:13.05 | debianpattern | and iceweasel and libreoffice |
| 17:13.06 | greycat | ,v xfce4 |
| 17:13.09 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.12.2; stretch: 4.12.2 |
| 17:13.25 | debianpattern | 4.12 is the one I want |
| 17:13.27 | greycat | Is there really such a big difference between xfce4 4.10.1 and 4.12.2? |
| 17:13.38 | debianpattern | can I install it using backports? |
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| 17:13.46 | stoned | Hello greycat. Which browser? Also was that a rhetorical question? |
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| 17:13.56 | greycat | Apparently not, or judd would have mentioned that there is a jessie-backports version. |
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| 17:14.01 | CyberJacob | Evening |
| 17:14.18 | markybob | greycat, tabs in thunar ...that's about all i noticed |
| 17:14.21 | CyberJacob | Is there an easy way to set up Debian to use authentication from another server? |
| 17:14.24 | greycat | stoned: Lynx. Fucking lynx on wheezy. FUCKING GNUTLS THING that makes it suddenly decide not to connect to half the https sites on this stupid planet. |
| 17:14.38 | greycat | FUCKING IRC PEOPLE WHO USE FUCKING HTTPS:// PASTE BINS. |
| 17:14.53 | stoned | slowly steps back... |
| 17:14.56 | stoned | :) |
| 17:14.59 | CyberJacob | greycat: security eh, fuck it all |
| 17:15.17 | cra1g321 | oh look he used caps lock, u mad bro ? |
| 17:15.18 | greycat | It's a fucking PASTE BIN where you put your god damned error messages. It doesn't need encryption. |
| 17:15.22 | debianpattern | for now the difference seems to be no too big but more time pass more the version will be obsolete in stable branch, right? |
| 17:15.22 | markybob | CyberJacob, that makes no sense. you're going to show people the link |
| 17:15.53 | CyberJacob | markybob: Which comment was that replying to? |
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| 17:16.02 | markybob | CyberJacob, "security eh" |
| 17:16.28 | debianpattern | is debian stable the safest distro? |
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| 17:16.30 | stoned | greycat: so you need to rebuilt lynx? where does the conffile helper script come into play ? |
| 17:16.37 | markybob | debianpattern, yes |
| 17:16.48 | debianpattern | safest distro ever? |
| 17:16.56 | debianpattern | stable and safe? |
| 17:17.02 | stoned | greycat: sorry if my questions add to any frustration. I'm just wondering exactly what's going on |
| 17:17.10 | greycat | stoned: about 5 layers into the build dep jungle, jessie's nettle needs a feature from jessie's dpkg-maintscript-helper which is apparently in the dpkg package. |
| 17:17.17 | markybob | debianpattern, ever? really? that can't be quantified. it's one of the most stable/safe. how's that? |
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| 17:17.37 | debianpattern | sounds good |
| 17:17.47 | greycat | At that point I just gave up. Upgrading dpkg is tantamount to just upgrading the whole fucking box to jessie. |
| 17:18.08 | stoned | :( |
| 17:18.11 | greycat | All because of some dumb thing in some Debian build script. |
| 17:19.38 | stoned | Which browser are you using instead in the meantime? |
| 17:19.54 | stoned | I use elinks which seemingly has no issues w/ any https stuffs |
| 17:20.08 | SynrG | ... |
| 17:20.15 | SynrG | just a minute too late :( |
| 17:20.38 | SynrG | but yes, having debianpattern use stable+backports is best. |
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| 17:21.13 | SynrG | the issue we found before is that skype is currently uninstallable on a pure testing system. you would need libssl1.0.0:i386 from sid, so only possible on a testing/unstable mix |
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| 17:22.22 | Ast001 | does anyone know how to get rid of this kernel: [88668.988011] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... render ring idle in Jessie ? |
| 17:22.23 | SynrG | ^^ for if-and-when debianpattern returns. so 1) best option is to reinstall using stable+backports 2) 2nd-best option is to configure the testing system as a testing/unstable mix |
| 17:22.46 | Ast001 | trick with semaphores in grub did not help |
| 17:22.57 | cra1g321 | i wouldnt suggest testing/unstable mix to someone who is struggling to get skype working on testing.... |
| 17:23.13 | SynrG | cra1g321: this makes it the 2nd-best option |
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| 17:23.28 | SynrG | skype is *completely uninstallable* in testing |
| 17:23.35 | SynrG | the third alternative is "don't use skype" |
| 17:23.37 | cra1g321 | 1. stable 2. stable backports. 3. some other distro. 4. testing/unstable ;) |
| 17:23.57 | stoned | Since they were talking about that earlier, I suggested a chroot. Later I was informed that his skill level is beginner so apparently this is the best course of action atm |
| 17:24.19 | SynrG | absolutely agreed, stable+backports is where this user should be. |
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| 17:25.21 | SynrG | maintenance of a testing/unstable system is roughly on par with maintenance of a testing system in level of difficulty, ime |
| 17:25.31 | stoned | *nod* |
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| 17:28.26 | stoned | I wonder why he's not using stable. I'm on stable I haven't yet tested skype. I do need to get in touch w/ some folks. I'm going to see about skype in stable right now. |
| 17:28.26 | greycat | hmm, http://elinks.or.cz/features.html says elinks has experimental javascript ... any way to disable that, say, from a command-line argument or dot-file setting? |
| 17:29.05 | greycat | stoned: most people who run testing do so because they treat their Debian system like an idle game. The bigger the numbers, the higher their score. |
| 17:29.14 | stoned | hm. I think mine is disbled b/c I use sometimes gmail and it drops to basic html mode (the one w/o js) |
| 17:29.30 | stoned | If not cli arguemnt, it's definitley in the options box in the browser |
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| 17:29.51 | stoned | somewhere |
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| 17:31.00 | greycat | OK. I'll give elinks a chance. It seems kind of like lynx. And I didn't even have to write a script or a shell alias to make it use a sane color layout! |
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| 17:31.40 | stoned | I'm looking through the options right now |
| 17:31.43 | SynrG | i did try to engage the user in discussion as to why they were using testing. but unfortunately it was lost in the shuffle :p |
| 17:31.56 | TV`sFrank | hrm, the software update applet keeps getting stuck on my wheezy |
| 17:32.06 | SynrG | sometimes they believe it's the only way to get their hardware working. |
| 17:32.56 | stoned | greycat: check build flags for it. I think it has to be built w/ JS support. I'm not seeing any options, so maybe debian ships it w/ that disabled |
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| 17:33.25 | greycat | Hmm. No ! shell escape? |
| 17:33.30 | stoned | something like --with spidermonkey |
| 17:33.41 | stoned | if that's not in the build flags, no js is present. |
| 17:34.07 | stoned | greycat: what about the always well known w3m browser? (also used by as pager by some) |
| 17:34.15 | SynrG | greycat: elinks is one of several different implementations: links, links2, elinks. you might find it interesting to try links2 as well |
| 17:34.49 | stoned | I found links2 quite limiting, but mabye for your needs it might do very well |
| 17:35.13 | stoned | greycat: what are your req. from a text browser? |
| 17:35.35 | greycat | I want to use it to open unsolicited pastebin links from IRC people, safely. |
| 17:35.55 | dontknow | there is also netsurf for basic browser |
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| 17:36.14 | dontknow | i think netsurf is quite good |
| 17:36.16 | SynrG | links2 -g is cute :) |
| 17:36.54 | stoned | greycat: may I have link to try in elinks? |
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| 17:38.05 | greycat | From #bash: https://p.iotek.org/gf9 |
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| 17:38.58 | stoned | works in default elinks build in jessie. Dunno about the one you're on. But do check build flags for it, I'm sure JS is not enabled. |
| 17:39.21 | greycat | Yes, it worked in wheezy's elinks also. |
| 17:39.31 | stoned | \o/ |
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| 17:51.46 | greycat | stoned: any clue how to get elinks to "forget" about the fact that, before I configured the http proxy stuff, one of the pages I went to was redirected to a human resources "YOU ARE EVIL" page? |
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| 17:52.05 | greycat | now every time I go to the page, it still shows the HR EVIL page instead |
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| 17:58.31 | Deiwsots | hi, I installed debian 8+kde and i've found a problem when I try lock screen |
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| 18:00.14 | Deiwsots | It don't lock the screen, the desktop don't move mouse or keyborad |
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| 18:00.45 | Deiwsots | all the windows are visible because the lock screen isn't started |
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| 18:01.11 | Deiwsots | it exists some bug known? |
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| 18:04.50 | cra1g321 | Deiwsots, jessie + KDE here, no issue :/ |
| 18:04.58 | cra1g321 | did you check Screen Locker settings ? |
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| 18:09.19 | Deiwsots | cra1g321: I checked. acttualy i'm using screen locker settings> screen locker type> desktop widgets |
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| 18:09.42 | cra1g321 | i have mine set to "Simple Locker" |
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| 18:10.10 | Deiwsots | cra1g321: when i use set to "simple locker" , it works fine |
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| 18:11.13 | cra1g321 | i set it to "desktop widgets" clicked "configure" then it loaded and i can lock the desktop with the menu at the top right |
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| 18:16.07 | handyandy | new to debian here. Switched from Manjaro linux. In Manjaro you can just type "sudo pacman -s package-name" and it will download and install it if its in the manjaro repo and if not then you can do "yaourt -s packagename" then it will fetch and download from Arch Linux Community repo. Isn't there something simple like that in Debian? |
| 18:16.33 | handyandy | what's with all the deal about going to "/etc/apt/sources.list" etc -_- |
| 18:16.45 | handyandy | inconvenient |
| 18:16.57 | mtn | handyandy: same as configuring your pacman.conf file |
| 18:16.59 | greycat | !frankendebian |
| 18:16.59 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:17.04 | markybob | handyandy, sources.list is what tells apt-get/apt/aptitude/synaptic where to look |
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| 18:17.15 | markybob | plus i'm not sure we're not being trolled |
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| 18:17.20 | greycat | installing packages from, say, arch is exactly what we would NOT want to make easier |
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| 18:17.31 | handyandy | i didn't have to configure it. It was there built in in manjaro :P |
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| 18:17.46 | greycat | "and that's why I switched to Debian" |
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| 18:17.53 | mtn | handyandy: and you sources are there when you install debian, too |
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| 18:19.02 | handyandy | i am not talking about installing from arch. That was only for Manjaro because Manjaro is arch based |
| 18:19.04 | mtn | handyandy: if you want something other than defaults, then you have to change things in any distro |
| 18:19.26 | mtn | handyandy: debian has a very good wiki. I think you should check it out |
| 18:19.34 | nkuttler | handyandy: well, debian is debian based.. |
| 18:19.52 | handyandy | yeah so i thought it would be easy to use for a newbie :P |
| 18:19.59 | mtn | handyandy: it is |
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| 18:20.18 | greycat | He said he wanted an easy, automatic, no-config way to download Arch packages in Debian. Then he said he's not talking about Arch. |
| 18:20.26 | mtn | handyandy: you can install using the command line, or a gui package manager |
| 18:20.29 | handyandy | Nooo greycat |
| 18:20.35 | greycat | Then explain what you want. |
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| 18:21.10 | Deiwsots | cra1g321: i can't see the screen lock, because when I lock it with ctrl+alt+l the desktop freeze, i have acess to others vty but kde session is totally freeze |
| 18:21.15 | handyandy | i said i want a similar way to download debian packages just like it was easy download packages in manjaro i did not have to configure the pacman it was already done from the beginning. |
| 18:21.26 | greycat | handyandy: apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 |
| 18:21.34 | markybob | handyandy, you can do that. you don't have to touch sources.list if you don't want to |
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| 18:21.42 | stoned | greycat: I assume clear cache? |
| 18:21.59 | greycat | You only have to changes sources.list if you are doing something like "adding an Ubuntu repository because you're dumb and you want your PC to break" |
| 18:22.01 | handyandy | i tried apt-get install gedit (it said something about host problem or something) :/ |
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| 18:22.19 | markybob | handyandy, pastebin your sources.list |
| 18:22.28 | greycat | I bet it's that stupid httpredir thing again. |
| 18:22.31 | nkuttler | handyandy: and the exact error, paste.debian.net |
| 18:22.37 | nkuttler | greycat: is that broken? |
| 18:22.45 | stoned | greycat: in the cache manaer, you can delete it |
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| 18:23.11 | stoned | greycat: default shortcut is "C" |
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| 18:23.49 | greycat | stoned: it says "Sorry, but cache entry http://172.26.248.151:.... is being used yb someting else." |
| 18:23.56 | stoned | Hunh. |
| 18:24.04 | stoned | At this point I would direct to #elinks |
| 18:24.10 | stoned | I dunno the browser enough |
| 18:24.30 | stoned | greycat: maybe remove proxy, remove cache, add proxy, rejoice? |
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| 18:25.43 | handyandy | funny it's working now :/ that time i was trying to do it following the wiki and doing all that httpredir and then tried gedit and it showed error |
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| 18:26.56 | handyandy | well i'll try to do a couple more. Where do i find the package's exact names? is there a list i can look up? |
| 18:27.08 | markybob | handyandy, apt-cache search whatever |
| 18:27.10 | greycat | apt-cache search stuff |
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| 18:27.44 | mtn | handyandy: you will find syanptic very handy. give it a try |
| 18:27.57 | at0m | mtn? |
| 18:27.59 | mtn | handyandy: or, synaptic :) |
| 18:28.00 | zykotick9 | handyandy: there is also the colourful, "apt search foo" |
| 18:28.04 | mtn | at0m: ? |
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| 18:28.49 | at0m | apt-cache searches a packages info too for keywords, while apt search and aptitude search, run only searches for package names. |
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| 18:29.48 | at0m | mtn: apt and its family are most convenient, synaptic runs in GUI. where root has no business IMO. |
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| 18:30.12 | mtn | at0m: funny, the debian devs don't agree :P |
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| 18:30.27 | at0m | the users might not ;p |
| 18:31.01 | at0m | mtn: in next release, x won't run as root either anymore. |
| 18:31.24 | zykotick9 | at0m: i'm not sure "apt search.." is only searching in the filenames... i certainly have result for my "apt search vim" that don't have vim in the filename. |
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| 18:32.38 | greycat | I don't know about apt search, but apt-cache search searches package names *AND* descriptions, unless you use --names-only |
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| 18:32.43 | at0m | zykotick9: you're right, apt and apt-cache search both in package info too. aptitude doesnt |
| 18:33.04 | at0m | like greycat said, but default |
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| 18:33.12 | at0m | *by |
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| 18:33.51 | handyandy | cool :D that's what i was looking for. Manjaro was like that for me. Just search stuff and install and download :P just did not know the right commands in the terminal. the wiki is not as polished as manjaro's wiki :P |
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| 18:35.34 | stoned | oh geez apt search output is horrendous. Too many line returns. Should use columns instead. |
| 18:36.47 | at0m | stoned: then | grep |
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| 18:37.30 | stoned | No. Then use what has already worked beautifully for years. |
| 18:37.59 | at0m | whatever suits your needs. i'm only offering options. |
| 18:38.12 | stoned | I appreciate the information |
| 18:38.23 | stoned | Well, you for providing options/information. |
| 18:38.48 | fireba11 | hi, was wondering if wayland is usable in debian (and if stable or do i need unstable?) and if i need to do anything specific to use it. want to play around a bit :-D |
| 18:39.23 | stoned | stable is frozen and has on older version of xwayland |
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| 18:39.31 | at0m | ,v xwayland |
| 18:39.32 | judd | Package: xwayland on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.16.4-1; stretch: 2:1.17.3-2; sid: 2:1.18.0-3 |
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| 18:44.37 | fireba11 | so testing or unstable i guess :-D |
| 18:45.05 | stoned | Why? |
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| 18:45.25 | stoned | Did you need features just two minor versions up? |
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| 18:45.56 | stoned | You should probably make sure before you use testing/unstable. I think you'd be fine w/ the stable version |
| 18:45.57 | fireba11 | stoned: no, new kde seems interesting |
| 18:46.15 | stoned | Eh. It's too fat. I think |
| 18:46.26 | stoned | Needless resource wasted on this gui stuffs. |
| 18:46.46 | stoned | I like to put my ram/cpu etc to better use. One may argue what better is though. |
| 18:46.46 | fireba11 | hehe .. what would be your personal choice be? |
| 18:47.05 | stoned | Xmonad. Plain old Xutils. The only gui tools I use are smplayer, smtube, chrome, netbeans. |
| 18:47.16 | stoned | Everything else is just Xmonad and urxvt (other console/cli tools) |
| 18:47.20 | fireba11 | lol |
| 18:47.23 | stoned | And even chrome only when I need netflix etc. |
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| 18:47.39 | stoned | And I am trying to even get away from netbeans. |
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| 18:49.26 | at0m | dpkg: tell fireba11 about ssb |
| 18:49.33 | Doyle | exit |
| 18:49.39 | Doyle | not a term... |
| 18:49.43 | stoned | fireba11: and I think you might hvae to go the route of unstable, b/c of kde5 not being in stable or even in testing that much |
| 18:49.45 | blind | Mine is :p |
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| 18:50.24 | stoned | fireba11: and use unstable at your own risk, of course. :) and remember to reportbug |
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| 18:50.38 | fireba11 | stoned: kk ... not used to have a desktop on debian, am using it only for servers for now ... but got a new/used notebook where i want to play around some |
| 18:50.45 | at0m | stoned: kde runs pretty well here on testing |
| 18:50.49 | stoned | fireba11: 'unstable' |
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| 18:51.11 | stoned | fireba11: I don't recommend it. I am just saying what you might have to end up doing. If you want the latest KDE in Wayland on debian. |
| 18:51.12 | fireba11 | well aware ... :-) |
| 18:51.16 | markybob | fireba11, also remember it's not supported here. you can go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:51.37 | fireba11 | markybob: thanks |
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| 18:52.13 | stoned | at0m: I read on the debian wiki for KDE |
| 18:53.04 | stoned | 4.14 to 5.13 |
| 18:53.20 | stoned | (unsure if that matters for wayland) |
| 18:53.32 | at0m | stoned: long since i seen kde issues in #debian-next |
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| 18:53.52 | stoned | Cool! |
| 18:54.00 | stoned | That's excellent. |
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| 18:55.54 | fireba11 | hm, framework differs quite a bit from unstable to testing, but the plasma version is the same so i guess testing should do ... want to be able to sort of use it after all *g* |
| 18:57.09 | fireba11 | i still think there are too many different open source desktops though .. |
| 18:57.39 | handyandy | there's spotify for debian too right? |
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| 18:59.02 | at0m | handyandy: not in the debian repo's |
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| 19:09.00 | wsky | will apt-get -y upgrade succeed in case of a certificate error? |
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| 19:09.54 | blind | I think you would also need --force-yes which, needless to say, is a bit scary.. why not fix the certificates? |
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| 19:11.11 | jelly | wsky: try it and see -- download debian-archive-keyring package again. Then manually remove all the keys using apt-key. Then try your command and see what happens. To restore, reinstall debian-archive-keyring |
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| 19:24.06 | wsky | jelly: ok i've cheked that, but now, when i reinstall debian-archive-keyring the keys don't re-appear |
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| 19:28.43 | jelly | wsky: that's rather unusual. what if you purge and reinstall it? |
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| 19:29.04 | jelly | (using dpkg, since you have the .deb locally) |
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| 19:31.42 | DanteLA | Hi. Could I mount HD partition made by debian installer with encryption (with knowing the password) from another machinme? |
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| 19:32.15 | jelly | DanteLA: yes. |
| 19:32.36 | wsky | jelly: thanks, i just broke my system, now i need to repair |
| 19:32.37 | DanteLA | jelly: Could you give the command or point to the right direction how to find it? |
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| 19:34.39 | jelly | DanteLA: you'll want to first start the unencrypted device using something like "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb9 sdb9_crypt", probably vhchange to start the lvm volume group insude, then be able to mount |
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| 19:43.20 | iandeb | hi guys how can I install gues addictions in vbox? |
| 19:43.37 | DanteLA | jelly: thanks. got it working. Was pretty tricky mountung the LVM partitions even after decryption |
| 19:43.41 | iandeb | using vbox on windows virtualizing debian stable 8 |
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| 19:44.57 | DanteLA | iandeb: yes, they are in debian repositories |
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| 19:46.34 | iandeb | how I have to look for them? |
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| 19:47.00 | iandeb | the problem ks that I cannot set full resolution in debian running on vbox |
| 19:47.35 | iandeb | and on the net they say that installing guest additions, the problem disappear |
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| 19:49.34 | DanteLA | iandeb: To search for 'virtualbox' I use apper, apt-cache search should work also |
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| 19:50.58 | iandeb | can you pass me terminal command for it please? |
| 19:51.52 | DanteLA | apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso .. |
| 19:52.15 | DanteLA | The first tip should have gotten you there |
| 19:52.54 | jelly | ,v virtualbox-guest-additions-iso |
| 19:52.55 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.1.18-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 4.3.18-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 4.3.18-3; stretch/non-free: 5.0.14-1; sid/non-free: 5.0.14-1 |
| 19:53.05 | jelly | dpkg, tell iandeb about non-free sources |
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| 20:08.22 | handyandy | :( i installed spotify, it shows on the menu but when i click on it i can see it loading on the taskbar but then it just vanishes :/ |
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| 20:09.06 | handyandy | https://www.spotify.com/uk/download/linux/ << followed instruction from here |
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| 20:09.15 | handyandy | it was nice and short |
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| 20:11.13 | greycat | Run it from a terminal instead. See what it says. |
| 20:13.02 | handyandy | how do i find it on terminal and then execute it? :P |
| 20:13.21 | wsky | dpkg -L Spotify |
| 20:13.21 | dpkg | ii Spotify 3.5-15.3 wsky's private porn collection |
| 20:13.46 | wsky | and then look for the launching binary or script |
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| 20:16.35 | handyandy | https://dpaste.de/JEv4 << where would that be in here? |
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| 20:21.20 | eolien | I want to rsync a dist dir with 800 clients, is it better for the clients to rsync user@computer:/dist_dir ./ OR rsync through NFS mount of dist dir ? |
| 20:21.51 | greycat | handyandy: well, that's the most atrocious... gods, I have fucking GUI crap. But it looks like /opt/spotify/spotify-client/spotify might be it. Just by process of elimination. |
| 20:22.44 | greycat | eolien: I would imagine rsync over ssh is going to give you less headaches than NFS, unless you are already using NFS for other purposes. |
| 20:22.56 | greycat | s/have/hate/ |
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| 20:23.40 | greycat | handyandy: Oh. That last line. /usr/bin/spotify ... why isn't that up at the top with /usr/bin? |
| 20:23.46 | greycat | handyandy: Try one or the other or both. |
| 20:24.37 | greycat | If "spotify" turns out to be the answer, I reserve the right to ridicule you for putting us through all of this instead of just typing "spotify" in the first place. |
| 20:24.40 | handyandy | no idea greycat, i just typed dpkg -L spotify-client and that's how it showed in that exact order. Pretty weird lol |
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| 20:25.48 | wsky | handyandy: /usr/bin/spotify |
| 20:25.51 | wsky | it's this one |
| 20:26.03 | greycat | So just type spotify. Like a normal person would have tried. |
| 20:26.27 | wsky | greycat: sometimes binaries are being packaged in odd paths |
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| 20:26.35 | greycat | Aye, sometimes. |
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| 20:26.59 | handyandy | cool now what command will execute it? i only now how to edit text files from terminal xD |
| 20:27.12 | greycat | Open a terminal. Type spotify. Report the errors. |
| 20:27.13 | handyandy | i still have to finish reading the terminal manual |
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| 20:27.51 | handyandy | just typing spotify output : spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libgcrypt.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:28.05 | wsky | so you're lacking dependencies |
| 20:28.07 | greycat | What version of Debian? |
| 20:28.14 | wsky | try running apt-get -f install |
| 20:28.23 | wsky | (as root) |
| 20:28.41 | handyandy | 8.3 if i am not wrong. Just did the install today |
| 20:28.44 | greycat | libgcrypt.so.11 is much older than jessie's |
| 20:28.59 | greycat | Looks like wheezy has it. |
| 20:29.11 | greycat | You might need to install the older library from wheezy for this package to work. |
| 20:29.29 | greycat | ,v libgcrypt11 |
| 20:29.30 | judd | Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3 |
| 20:30.26 | greycat | You could add a wheezy source to your sources.list, apt-get update, and apt-get install libgcrypt11 |
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| 20:31.40 | greycat | tries that on a non-critical machine to see if there are any dependency problems |
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| 20:32.04 | greycat | Seems to go fine for me. |
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| 20:34.51 | handyandy | https://dpaste.de/ESsO |
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| 20:35.12 | greycat | You have to do ALL of the steps, not just one. |
| 20:35.23 | greycat | Add a wheezy source, apt-get update, then apt-get install libgcrypt11 |
| 20:36.15 | newbie22 | vvande: hello |
| 20:36.34 | greycat | Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, find the "deb " line that corresponds to your primary jessie source (not security, not updates, not third party stuff...), copy that line, and change jessie to wheezy on the copy only. RETAIN the original jessie line. |
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| 20:37.36 | handyandy | got it, trying that now |
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| 20:39.34 | BinBasher | Hi, i'm getting the returned error 2 when doing Xorg -configure ; any tips? |
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| 20:44.35 | handyandy | hah it worked. Thanks greycat |
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| 20:48.44 | hey | hey all |
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| 20:49.02 | handyandy | hey hey |
| 20:49.12 | Guest81321 | is there a way to verify debian after install |
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| 20:49.35 | Guest81321 | im taking ages with verifying |
| 20:49.56 | Guest81321 | i cant even sha1 checksum |
| 20:50.02 | Guest81321 | ): |
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| 20:50.12 | greycat | It is not necessary to verify the integrity of the download image. It's optional. |
| 20:50.24 | handyandy | it shouldn't take ages :/ i verified the iso(s) pretty smooth at least the checksums |
| 20:50.34 | Guest81321 | im on windows |
| 20:50.41 | handyandy | i was on windows10 too |
| 20:50.44 | greycat | Do it after installing Debian. ;-) |
| 20:51.00 | handyandy | you right click and there is option of checksum offered by 7zip |
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| 20:51.18 | Guest81321 | i can do it after installing? |
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| 20:51.30 | Guest81321 | but that wouldnt make much sense lol |
| 20:51.35 | handyandy | how do you check after installing? you mean the iso? |
| 20:51.37 | zinx | guys i found out 7zip actually only zips once |
| 20:51.43 | Guest81321 | yeah the iso |
| 20:52.09 | Guest81321 | ahhh guess i ll just install it |
| 20:52.17 | Guest81321 | thanks all |
| 20:52.19 | mo1991reg | doing a fresh install on a hp 650 probook g1 - and having trouble installing grub. I'm guessing that this is some efi deal - but I am pretty sure that this is turned off in the bios as I checked that UEFI stuff was not checked and legacy is set - I didnt' have to change this it was already like that. Also have windows 7 installed in partition 1 with "system" and partition 2 "windows7" . any help? |
| 20:52.48 | handyandy | well just put that iso which you burned in a flashdrive and check it in terminal now that you already have linux. If it is verified then your iso was probably good when you installed it unless there was some kind of man in the middle attack :P |
| 20:53.12 | greycat | mo1991reg: does "fdisk -l" (as root) show a partition with Type "EFI System"? |
| 20:53.50 | greycat | mo1991reg: ... err, sorry, you might not be able to do that if you haven't actually installed yet :-/ |
| 20:54.02 | mo1991reg | yup, i'm at the end of an installation process |
| 20:54.29 | greycat | One of my major gripes with the Debian installation system is the handling (or not) of EFI vs. Legacy BIOS. |
| 20:54.42 | mo1991reg | but I don't think so. when I resized windows partition and removed hp recovery partitions, the partition 1 & 2 for windows were both NTFS |
| 20:55.21 | greycat | If there is no EFI partition, then your Windows disk is probably booting in Legacy BIOS mode, which means you **MUST** boot the Debian install medium in that same mode. Or it will fail. I learned this the hard way. |
| 20:55.37 | greycat | And the installer doesn't warn you of any of this. |
| 20:55.55 | mo1991reg | ok, how do I do that? it didn't give me any options to "force" legacy mode |
| 20:56.12 | handyandy | the smoothest installation for me was Manjaro Linux and Ubuntu too long time ago when i tried it for a while |
| 20:56.13 | greycat | It's a BIOS/Firmware thing. Different on every machine. |
| 20:56.14 | mo1991reg | bios was set to legacy without me doing anything - it's a new laptop |
| 20:56.52 | mo1991reg | greycat - just so I understand, you think that the netinstall CD booted up in EFI rather than "legacy" without asking? |
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| 20:56.55 | greycat | The Debian installer also looks slightly different when booted in EFI vs. Legacy mode, but it's really subtle and you would have to know what to look for. And I don't remember the exact wording. |
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| 20:58.59 | grawity | check whether you have /sys/firmware/efi |
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| 21:05.17 | mo1991reg | grawity - I can't finish install because grub won't install |
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| 21:06.05 | greycat | mo1991reg: you can press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get a console during the install |
| 21:06.28 | greycat | The tools are limited, so you may have to get creative sometimes. |
| 21:06.31 | mo1991reg | ah, ok |
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| 21:08.17 | handyandy | alright how come i don't have a visual for my volume control :( |
| 21:08.35 | handyandy | i mean volume = sound in this case |
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| 21:09.10 | handyandy | the volume+ and - and mute does not seem to be working either |
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| 21:09.28 | handyandy | do i need to configure that manually too? :P |
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| 21:10.31 | blind | handyandy: depends on your DE |
| 21:10.33 | jhutchins | handyandy: What desktop do you have? |
| 21:10.38 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 21:10.39 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 21:11.06 | handyandy | kde i am pretty sure since it has konsole, kate, konqueror etc |
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| 21:11.11 | jhutchins | handyandy: While the hotkeys for volume/mute are fairly standard, there is still some variation, so it doesn't automatically work on all hardware. |
| 21:11.14 | handyandy | also says kde on the menu |
| 21:11.23 | BinBasher | Bump: I'm getting the returned error 2 when doing Xorg -configure ; any tips? |
| 21:11.30 | jhutchins | handyandy: You may have to add a volume applet to the taskbar/dock. |
| 21:11.33 | handyandy | it worked fine in manjaro kde though. |
| 21:11.36 | greycat | BinBasher: find the FIRST error, not the last error. |
| 21:11.47 | jhutchins | handyandy: Irrelevant. Different set of packages. |
| 21:12.08 | handyandy | ah ok |
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| 21:13.45 | handyandy | any suggestions as to what applet i might add? |
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| 21:16.41 | handyandy | is there a short command for detecting unnecessary packages which are not dependent on anything? |
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| 21:17.17 | greycat | deborphan, debfoster |
| 21:17.52 | mutante | apt-get remove --purge rsync ... Purging configuration files for rsync ... but i still have /etc/rsync.d/header: ASCII text |
| 21:17.57 | handyandy | lol that actually makes sense |
| 21:18.00 | mutante | why is that ? meh, i thought it's purging |
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| 21:18.36 | greycat | I don't see /etc/rsync.d/ in the output of dpkg -L rsync |
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| 21:18.52 | greycat | Nor do I have that directory. |
| 21:19.49 | mutante | greycat: hmm .. maybe i'm getting that from puppet or something. thanks .. checking |
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| 21:20.43 | teraflops | mutante: it purges what matches the package contents... |
| 21:21.19 | handyandy | alright will check out the orphan and foster stuff. In the middle of an installation. A loooot of packages :| |
| 21:21.42 | handyandy | just for one program -_- |
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| 21:21.43 | greycat | There shouldn't be any orphans directly after an install.... |
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| 21:22.32 | handyandy | i know but will check anyway because installation also had some "recommended packs" i am assuming they are not necessary? |
| 21:23.00 | mutante | teraflops: yea, thanks, must have been setup by something else, i just assumed it was from the rsync package.. hmmm |
| 21:23.07 | greycat | Anything you can opt out of is not necessary, depending on your definition of "necessary". |
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| 21:23.25 | teraflops | Is there in debian an apt command that tells what package owns what file? As in command /path/to/the/file? |
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| 21:23.35 | greycat | teraflops: dpkg -S /file |
| 21:23.38 | blind | dpkg -S |
| 21:23.38 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, blind |
| 21:23.41 | teraflops | Dpkg |
| 21:23.43 | blind | sorry bot |
| 21:24.05 | teraflops | Yeah I mean dpkg. Thanks greycat |
| 21:24.44 | DammitJim | is there such a thing as web service authentication via SSL? |
| 21:25.07 | DammitJim | like the client has an SSL certificate and the server has another and that's how they authenticate when they talk over HTTPS? |
| 21:25.07 | teraflops | DammitJim: hmm client certificates I guess |
| 21:25.08 | ompaul | DammitJim: that's both a very specific and general statement - what is the use case you are thinking of |
| 21:25.18 | mutante | DammitJim: yes, it's called client certificates |
| 21:25.34 | mo1991reg | greycat - I have done a fdisk -l from the gparted live cd. There is nothing about efi in any partition. I also double checked that EFI is turned off in the bios. There are 3 partitions /dev/sda1 is windows boot partition /dev/sda2 is windows partition (both NTFS) /dev/sda3 is the encrypted LVM I created for linux. anyone suggestions for why grub won't install to /dev/sda? |
| 21:25.35 | ompaul | what they said |
| 21:25.40 | DammitJim | a guy asked me today that he might need to make a web call to an application we have |
| 21:25.52 | DammitJim | the application is already being served over HTTPS |
| 21:26.06 | grawity | mo1991reg: what partition table type is used for /dev/sda? |
| 21:26.11 | greycat | mo1991reg: sounds like non-EFI. Make sure your Debian install medium is booted in non-EFI (Legacy) mode. |
| 21:26.17 | DammitJim | but he wants the client to be authenticated |
| 21:26.21 | grawity | mo1991reg: (aka "disklabel type") |
| 21:26.23 | DammitJim | I've never done anything like that |
| 21:26.31 | teraflops | DammitJim: the.clientcmust have the cert installed in the browser or just do some curl magic |
| 21:27.00 | mo1991reg | grawity - disklabel type is dos |
| 21:27.00 | DammitJim | how do I authenticate the client on my server? |
| 21:27.06 | teraflops | DammitJim: nah Google it |
| 21:27.08 | DammitJim | they are creating the client software |
| 21:27.08 | greycat | mo1991reg: *definitely* non EFI |
| 21:27.21 | DammitJim | teraflops, what should I google for? That's the part where I don't think I have the right terminology |
| 21:27.23 | mo1991reg | yup that's what I thought. so why would grub not install? |
| 21:27.28 | mo1991reg | greycat above |
| 21:27.35 | greycat | mo1991reg: your firmware probably booted the installer in EFI mode, because it can. |
| 21:27.42 | greycat | Make sure you don't let it do that. |
| 21:27.42 | mutante | DammitJim: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#SSLVerifyClient |
| 21:27.56 | grawity | greycat: well EFI *is* required to support both gpt and mbr disklabel types |
| 21:28.00 | mo1991reg | greycat - even though bios has the entire UEFI section unchecked? |
| 21:28.03 | grawity | that's not an indicator by itself |
| 21:28.04 | mutante | DammitJim: assuming you use apache |
| 21:28.11 | DammitJim | thanks mutante |
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| 21:28.13 | teraflops | Generate client certificates, nginx client cert authentication... |
| 21:28.17 | DammitJim | yeah, NGINX in this case |
| 21:28.20 | greycat | grawity: he is trying to dual-boot Debian with an existing Windows partition that is on a DOS disklabel with no EFI System partition. |
| 21:28.22 | teraflops | Or apache... |
| 21:28.24 | handyandy | why does it say deborphan command not found? greycat? |
| 21:28.29 | DammitJim | teraflops, that's it |
| 21:28.34 | greycat | handyandy: befcause you didn't install it |
| 21:28.36 | DammitJim | client cert authentication |
| 21:28.44 | grawity | greycat: ah, yeah, all of them together do mean that |
| 21:28.53 | asdflea1 | hello everyone |
| 21:29.08 | handyandy | i have to install deborphan and debfoster? :/ |
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| 21:29.26 | greycat | handyandy: Debian has tens of thousands of optional packages. |
| 21:29.42 | handyandy | ah ok so it's not built-in |
| 21:29.46 | greycat | 43000 packages according to the web site |
| 21:30.15 | mutante | DammitJim: http://nategood.com/client-side-certificate-authentication-in-ngi |
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| 21:30.50 | mutante | DammitJim: it's called "ssl_verify_client" for nginx |
| 21:30.53 | DammitJim | mutante, I just pulled that up before you did |
| 21:30.53 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 21:32.37 | teraflops | DammitJim: I have a couple.of sites doing that let me find the nginx related code |
| 21:33.11 | DammitJim | teraflops, I know I need to read, but the client certificate... is that something I need to issue? |
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| 21:34.25 | teraflops | Yeah |
| 21:34.35 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 21:34.49 | teraflops | Or request it |
| 21:34.50 | DammitJim | ... jim |
| 21:34.55 | teraflops | Heh |
| 21:35.00 | DammitJim | I would have to request it from like GoDaddy? |
| 21:35.05 | DammitJim | I don't issue any certificates for my domain |
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| 21:35.12 | DammitJim | or at least my public domain |
| 21:35.29 | handyandy | greycat :/ it shows libgcrypt11 when i put deborphan. But i thought we needed that for spotify |
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| 21:35.57 | teraflops | You can do with self-signed ones too. But you know... |
| 21:36.04 | greycat | handyandy: Correct. That's why deborphan's output should be filtered by common sense. |
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| 21:37.38 | handyandy | 0_o well in this case i can remember but how do i remember if there is more than one. It's not easy to remember which pack was used for what program before :| |
| 21:38.07 | greycat | That's why I don't use apt's autoremove feature, etc. |
| 21:38.39 | jim | dammit |
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| 21:39.24 | handyandy | damn debfoster showed 790+ packs for task-desktop |
| 21:39.30 | handyandy | anyways i was just checking |
| 21:39.45 | greycat | It also means your Spotify package failed to properly declare the libgcrypt11 dependency, but we already knew that. |
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| 21:41.18 | three_legs | Is there a good lib to use to parse out of order program args ? |
| 21:41.27 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You can make your own client certs with easy-rsa. If course they won't have a chain back to a globally trusted source, but that does not matter if it's your server doing the verifying. |
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| 21:41.58 | eolien | i pushed my initrd and vmlinuz to a pxe server, but i have that kind of error : http://dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-initrd-bug.html |
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| 21:42.19 | eolien | does that mean that i need to use live cd files ? initrd and vmlinuz ? |
| 21:43.02 | karlpinc | greycat, handyandy: I always use aptitude and so don't have to mess with deborphan. It does a better job of keeping track of what's installed due to other packages. ("auto" packages", iirc.) Of course, I can still have stuff _I_ installed that I no longer want/need. |
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| 21:44.41 | Youbi | Hi, I have a verry bad issue: I donât have any manpage on my system⦠|
| 21:44.50 | greycat | Youbi: Raspbian? |
| 21:45.13 | greycat | Some third-party installer that claimed to be Debian but is nto? |
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| 21:45.43 | Youbi | greycat: Nope, Debian. But yep, not from an official Debian installer. |
| 21:46.26 | greycat | Ask them (whoever made that installer) how to undo the damage. |
| 21:46.35 | Youbi | I wrote the image provided for my ARM board to an SD card, and it contains a Debian rootfs. |
| 21:46.45 | teraflops | DammitJim: http://ix.io/o0h a working example with self-signed certs |
| 21:47.03 | Youbi | There is no general way to fix my problem? |
| 21:47.09 | Youbi | s/general/common |
| 21:47.14 | greycat | There might be, but we don't know what it is. |
| 21:47.41 | Youbi | Aha ^^ |
| 21:47.44 | Youbi | Ok, Iâll do that |
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| 21:49.33 | DammitJim | thanks teraflops |
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| 21:50.29 | jhutchins | Youbi: Most man pages can be found on line. The only problem is if you have a different version of the software. |
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| 21:51.06 | moozzz | hi gyus! I'm trying to update my system with apt-get update but it gets stuck at "83% [Processing]". None of the google solutions seem to help... Does anyone have an idea what's going on? |
| 21:51.13 | greycat | If someone ever does figure out how to undo that particular damage, it would be good to teach dpkg, because we're seeing it somewhat frequently. :-( |
| 21:51.31 | jhutchins | Youbi: I don't know if your image would match the apprpriate Debian repositories (ARMHF?), if so you could change the package options and reinstall stuff. |
| 21:51.32 | teraflops | DammitJim: yo do the auth magic in the if{}, you can play with lots of params there |
| 21:51.43 | jhutchins | greycat: man pages disabled? |
| 21:51.47 | DammitJim | it looks awesome |
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| 21:52.04 | greycat | jhutchins: Yeah. To the point where even installing man-db and then purging and installing regular packages doesn't work. |
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| 21:52.25 | Youbi | jhutchins: Yep I install packages from ARMHF |
| 21:52.41 | Youbi | jhutchins: what do you mean by package options? My apt.conf file? |
| 21:52.50 | DammitJim | teraflops, sounds like I could just accept whatever certificate they decide to use? |
| 21:53.02 | DammitJim | but I have to add it to my cert chain |
| 21:53.10 | jhutchins | greycat: I know that in RPM, there is some setting that prevents man pages from being installed. Commonly used on dedicated servers, especially in multi-server environments. You have to track that option down and fix it, then you can reinstall the packages to get the man pages. AFIK there's no "Install all man pages" feature. |
| 21:53.18 | teraflops | DammitJim: yeah that's the point |
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| 21:53.27 | DammitJim | so, I don't have to issue the cert |
| 21:53.30 | jhutchins | greycat: I would assume that there's a similar option in Debian, for similar reasons. |
| 21:53.55 | teraflops | DammitJim: well you can hack a bit i reacll people doing it with starcom certs |
| 21:54.04 | jhutchins | Youbi: I don't know where the option would be. One of the problems of "it's not standard default Debian". |
| 21:54.05 | teraflops | recall* |
| 21:54.53 | jhutchins | Youbi: Let me check my notes... |
| 21:55.33 | teraflops | DammitJim: if you do not have the hability of issuing client certs maybe you can play with the ssl_verify_depth, but that's a dirty hack :P |
| 21:55.44 | DammitJim | no, no dirty hacks |
| 21:55.58 | teraflops | hehe yes it's dirty as hell :P |
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| 21:59.18 | jhutchins | Youbi: Look at answer 5 on http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128884/can-i-disable-all-man-pages |
| 21:59.25 | jhutchins | Youbi: Also http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/79028/debian-install-missing-man-pages |
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| 22:00.22 | teraflops | DammitJim: heh something like that, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14503912/nginx-ssl-client-certificates-with-signed-root-and-intermediate I believe theres a better post but my google fu is failing |
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| 22:01.56 | greycat | does not have this /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf.d directory, nor any files in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d |
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| 22:05.33 | moozzz | hi gyus! I'm trying to update my system with apt-get update but it gets stuck at "83% [Processing]". None of the google solutions seem to help... Does anyone have an idea what's going on? |
| 22:05.49 | greycat | Youbi: do you have any files like that, in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d or elsewhere? |
| 22:06.10 | greycat | moozzz: pick a different mirror? |
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| 22:06.48 | moozzz | greycat: I tried and it didn't work |
| 22:06.56 | moozzz | greycat: I get the same problem |
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| 22:07.30 | slurpage | moozzz you need to update apt |
| 22:07.45 | crayon | is there a tool that can do this: https://zxing.org/w/decode.jspx from the cli |
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| 22:08.07 | greycat | decode what? |
| 22:08.29 | crayon | QR codes |
| 22:08.34 | moozzz | slurpage: it's up-to-date... it actually started to get stuck 2 days after I updated it |
| 22:10.32 | slurpage | moozzz sounds like apt is corrupted, then, maybe bad sectors in your swap partition |
| 22:10.41 | greycat | slurpage: what the fuck are you talking about |
| 22:11.28 | slurpage | greycat i'm talking about apt |
| 22:11.37 | moozzz | slurpage: how can it be corrupted? what exactly might have broken it? |
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| 22:12.28 | slurpage | moozzz sometimes files get corrupted, bitrot who knows |
| 22:13.26 | eolien | which option need I to APPEND to my initrd in pxelinux to set keymap as FR |
| 22:13.33 | eolien | with debian live |
| 22:13.40 | eolien | i dont find in google |
| 22:14.06 | greycat | moozzz: he's either trolling you, or an idiot. Your download is stalling. Either the mirror is failing to respond, or there's some networking issue. |
| 22:14.07 | eolien | tried setkmap=fr |
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| 22:15.22 | slurpage | greycat be nice, i'm not a troll, just trying to help him, like you are, let's work together |
| 22:15.46 | moozzz | greycat: I thought so. I tried 3 different mirrows and none of them worked. Always the same stalling |
| 22:16.01 | greycat | The odds of bit-level memory corruption causing apt-get to stall during a download (at 83%) instead of seg faulting are infinitesimally small. Like, act of god small. |
| 22:16.47 | slurpage | greycat you're right, but it's possible, it's just a starting point |
| 22:17.03 | greycat | Maybe your ISP is throttling your downloads due to whatever policy. Maybe it's a flaky wireless setup. Who knows. |
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| 22:18.04 | moozzz | greycat: and networking issues can also be excluded. I have another, nearly identical debian machine, and everything can be updated nicely on it |
| 22:19.10 | greycat | NFS mount /var/cache/apt from the working machine onto the other machine? |
| 22:19.11 | slurpage | moozzz you said this error started when you last updated/upgraded apt itself? |
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| 22:20.04 | greycat | No, wait. You said it's failing during apt-get update. That wouldn't help. |
| 22:20.07 | moozzz | slurpage: yes, there was an apt and aptitute update a week ago |
| 22:20.12 | greycat | The package lists are not stored there. |
| 22:20.56 | moozzz | I guess it has nothing to do with the apt update itself, since it worked after the update actually |
| 22:21.24 | greycat | I'd still look toward local networking issues, Wifi, MTU settings, stuff like that. |
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| 22:22.04 | moozzz | greycat: ok, I'll try to connect to another wifi network |
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| 22:23.28 | TomTomTo1 | moozzz: have you added a broken source? |
| 22:23.33 | slurpage | moozzz is your lock file in /var/cache/apt/archives intact? |
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| 22:24.58 | moozzz | TomTomTo1: nope |
| 22:25.10 | moozzz | slurpage: well, it's empty for some reason... |
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| 22:26.53 | slurpage | moozzz look at the log file in var/apt |
| 22:27.14 | slurpage | moozzz look at the log file in var/log/apt sorry |
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| 22:31.14 | slurpage | another happy customer! |
| 22:31.56 | tharkun | !next |
| 22:31.57 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 22:35.55 | moozzz | grepper: |
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| 22:42.28 | tharkun | moozzz: mtr -r know.server.example.com might give you an idea on how the speed, connection routing are inside your ISP which can lead to what is really causing your isue. (/me bets on network latency) |
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| 22:45.19 | Youbi | jhutchins: indeed, I have a /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/01_nodoc which prevent man pages being written on my system :/ |
| 22:46.05 | moozzz | tharkun: thanks! I tried another WLAN network and still get the same issue... |
| 22:46.19 | moozzz | there seems to be no network problems |
| 22:46.36 | Psychiatrist | Guys I got this error while trying to install skype: " dpkg-deb: error: `skype.deb' is not a debian format archive " |
| 22:46.48 | Psychiatrist | How is skype.deb a debian format archive? |
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| 22:46.59 | Psychiatrist | not a* |
| 22:47.06 | slurpage | moozzz the clues seem to point to some problem with apt itself |
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| 22:48.37 | moozzz | slurpage: this might be. In fact, I didn't change anything (source list etc), neither before the apt update last week nor afterwards |
| 22:49.23 | yareckon | howdy, anyone know how to wipe the disk clean in the debian installer? |
| 22:49.29 | DoctorD90 | guys, im installing extension from site, but id doesnt appear in tweak tool....anyone know why? |
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| 22:49.47 | eolien | i tried to append to pxelinux lang=fr_FR.UTF-8 locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyboard-model=pc105 keyboard-layouts=fr keyboard-variant=latin9 timezone=Europe/Paris utc=yes |
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| 22:49.51 | eolien | still in qwerty |
| 22:49.55 | yareckon | I picked the wrong scheme, and want to have the installer just start eh whole disk process over |
| 22:50.06 | ompaul | Psychiatrist: the archive is corrupt or it's not built for your platform |
| 22:50.07 | eolien | could anyone helps me a bit ? |
| 22:50.19 | tharkun | Psychiatrist: Before you install skype read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security |
| 22:50.21 | ompaul | Psychiatrist: I'm going to corrupt |
| 22:50.39 | yareckon | but various dependencies between lvm/encryptfs etc are keeping the partitioner from allowing me to wipe everything |
| 22:50.42 | ompaul | tharkun: edit that and call it "skype not security" |
| 22:50.52 | slurpage | moozzz there was a major change to apt recently, to speed things up during update/upgrade |
| 22:51.52 | Psychiatrist | ompaul, I'm running Debian 8.3 (jessie) -- I think it should work here, right? tharkun I understand the risks with Skype but I have to use it for school purposes |
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| 22:52.05 | tharkun | ompaul: At some point in time it was the only mass VOIP client that no longer holds since BBM added VOIP long time ago. |
| 22:52.17 | zigge | I can only start my laptop in recovery mode since breaking my gnome install. how can I start my wifi? |
| 22:52.31 | tharkun | nmcli radio wifi on |
| 22:52.43 | moozzz | slurpage: interesting observation: when trying to update via synaptic, it gives me an error like "The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/store could not be found" |
| 22:52.45 | ompaul | Psychiatrist: I think if you check it out you'll find it is not available for 8.3 |
| 22:52.46 | tharkun | man nmcli to pull your local lan up |
| 22:52.53 | ompaul | and some abi stuff will kill it |
| 22:52.58 | yareckon | interesting tharkun, didn't know that |
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| 22:53.12 | zigge | no manual entry for nmcli |
| 22:53.21 | zigge | command not found |
| 22:53.36 | yareckon | network manager cli |
| 22:53.39 | yareckon | cool |
| 22:53.53 | teraflops | nmtui is in jessie too |
| 22:53.56 | yareckon | but maybe your know is *really* broken |
| 22:53.56 | slurpage | moozzz did you try su - in a terminal to update? |
| 22:54.27 | Psychiatrist | ompaul, I'm sorry, my bad. Thanks! |
| 22:54.41 | zigge | I tried /etc/init.d/network-manager restart but it does nothing |
| 22:55.03 | moozzz | slurpage: yes, same crap |
| 22:55.06 | DoctorD90 | zigge what's the problem? |
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| 22:55.25 | tharkun | zigge: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:55.50 | zigge | DoctorD90: I purged gnome packages before switching to xfce4 - and broke my laptop. I can only start in recovery mode and gave no network to fix packages |
| 22:55.51 | FourFire | Hello, I seem to have mischosen the option to "install without a desktop environment" with the graphical installer in testing |
| 22:56.06 | zigge | jessies |
| 22:56.23 | tharkun | zigge: There is a number there. |
| 22:56.31 | FourFire | However I've now put a lot of time into installing and configuring things via the terminals |
| 22:56.36 | zigge | 8.3, it's up-to-date |
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| 22:56.47 | FourFire | How do I manually install the default desktop environment? |
| 22:56.56 | FourFire | and all it's reequirements? |
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| 22:57.03 | DoctorD90 | zigge ehm....wait a moment |
| 22:57.10 | DoctorD90 | do you have nm installed? |
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| 22:57.15 | DoctorD90 | or it is uninstalled? |
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| 22:57.44 | moozzz | slurpage: can one actually just reinstall apt? |
| 22:57.49 | zigge | which nm gives /usr/bin/nm |
| 22:57.49 | tharkun | FourFire: #tasksel |
| 22:57.58 | DoctorD90 | FourFire what desktopt env? |
| 22:58.14 | zigge | but that's not what you meant.. |
| 22:58.15 | moozzz | slurpage: it seems that the file /usr/lib/apt/methods/store just got lost |
| 22:58.20 | tharkun | zigge: which nmcli |
| 22:58.28 | DoctorD90 | zigge go in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:58.37 | DoctorD90 | and set there data of your wifi ;) |
| 22:58.42 | FourFire | DoctorD90, I'm new to debian, donæ't know the names, the default one (or whichever one you'd care to pass off as the default due to preference) |
| 22:58.44 | DoctorD90 | then update :) |
| 22:58.56 | slurpage | moozzz yeah, the only thing i can suggest is to uninstall the apt upgrade and roll it back to the earlier version |
| 22:59.02 | FourFire | I need to be able to do graphical things on this computer at some point |
| 22:59.04 | DoctorD90 | FourFire do a search on internet |
| 22:59.10 | FourFire | GDM? |
| 22:59.18 | DoctorD90 | FourFire gnome mate lxde xcfe cinnamon |
| 22:59.20 | FourFire | whatever the install picks by default |
| 22:59.38 | FourFire | there was some sort of nerd war over this bs right? |
| 22:59.38 | DoctorD90 | FourFire choose one, then, apt-get install that one |
| 22:59.40 | FourFire | who won? |
| 23:00.14 | tharkun | zigge: #which iwconfig |
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| 23:00.40 | budRich | hello fellow debians! |
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| 23:01.11 | FourFire | waoh that's a lot of packages |
| 23:01.18 | tharkun | FourFire: #tasksel means to run on a terminal as root tasksel, that should give you the choices you want. |
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| 23:01.37 | budRich | i just installed debian on a quite old computer. I need to install drivers for the graphics card. |
| 23:01.37 | FourFire | tharkun, ok, thanks |
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| 23:01.57 | budRich | I don't know how to. |
| 23:02.08 | zigge | never mind |
| 23:02.20 | zigge | I remembered about wired networking |
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| 23:02.22 | budRich | and i'm not 100% sure of the cards name. there is some serial numbers on it. |
| 23:02.24 | zigge | good old RJ45 :D |
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| 23:02.45 | tharkun | !slap zigge |
| 23:02.46 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across zigge's face |
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| 23:02.55 | tharkun | budRich: lspci -nn |
| 23:02.56 | budRich | HD 68 ZD HD 687A ZDFC V5.1 <- this is one "number" |
| 23:03.00 | zigge | :D |
| 23:03.24 | zigge | 2 hours with chroot trying to mount and messing with super block errors |
| 23:03.40 | zigge | and I plug in a network cable and.. I have apt-get :D |
| 23:03.49 | budRich | tharkun, i got lots of info in konsole from that command.. |
| 23:04.04 | yareckon | zigge is a modern |
| 23:04.13 | moozzz | slurpage: FINALLY!!! =D |
| 23:04.40 | moozzz | slurpage: it worked |
| 23:04.44 | tharkun | budRich: Read and look for your monitor. Something on the line of VGA or graphics adaptor |
| 23:04.47 | zigge | oh, and I'm on sid, but I wasn't gonna tell you that ;) |
| 23:04.47 | moozzz | slurpage: you were right |
| 23:04.55 | budRich | http://pastebin.com/Pw4ysjk4 |
| 23:04.58 | tharkun | !tell zigge pieces |
| 23:05.01 | slurpage | moozzz good job! glad you got it working |
| 23:05.02 | moozzz | slurpage: the apt package was corrupt |
| 23:05.12 | moozzz | slurpage: thanks a lot! |
| 23:05.14 | tharkun | !tell zigge about pieces |
| 23:05.28 | slurpage | moozzz no problem, you're welcome |
| 23:05.58 | budRich | Radeon HD 6870? |
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| 23:06.19 | tharkun | budRich: The number between the square brackets please |
| 23:07.25 | moozzz | slurpage: shit, now I have to install 1.3 GB updates... uuups =) |
| 23:08.01 | DoctorD90 | zigge: ;) |
| 23:08.22 | budRich | tharkun: [1002:6738] ? |
| 23:08.38 | tharkun | ,pciid 1002:6738 |
| 23:08.39 | judd | [1002:6738] is 'Barts XT [Radeon HD 6870]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6738 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 23:08.44 | tharkun | budRich: ^^ |
| 23:09.04 | slurpage | moozzz lol that's life man, it's better to be 51% right, than 100% wrong |
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| 23:10.51 | budRich | i found a page to download drivers, i can choose ubuntu or linux (or windows). |
| 23:11.08 | budRich | when i choose linux debian doesn't come up as a supported dist... |
| 23:11.21 | budRich | *linux, debian |
| 23:11.28 | FourFire | budRich, tru ubuntu ones |
| 23:11.51 | tharkun | !tell budRich about radeon |
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| 23:13.06 | tharkun | FourFire: trying ubuntu drives on debian or the other way round is not a good idea at all. |
| 23:13.25 | FourFire | tharkun, ok, I'll recind from offering advice in this channel. |
| 23:14.15 | tharkun | FourFire: Feel free to do as you wish. Just do not mix distros, that is an awfull idea. |
| 23:14.57 | budRich | ok, how do i get the driver on that driver check page you guys linked. |
| 23:15.10 | budRich | ( http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6738 ) |
| 23:16.52 | budRich | nvm i saw the pm now. *reading* |
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| 23:21.56 | budRich | tharkun: i need permission to edit "/etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 23:22.50 | tharkun | budRich: yes, you need to become root |
| 23:23.08 | budRich | i'm really new to linux. I've been a windows user for 20 years. Lots to re-learn. |
| 23:23.18 | budRich | how to become root. |
| 23:23.24 | tharkun | su |
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| 23:24.09 | slurpage | when i first played around with ubuntu, i thought it was binary compatible with debian, i found out that was not the case, they're two different animals in the extreme |
| 23:24.19 | tharkun | !tell budRich about unix lessons |
| 23:24.27 | Jonnyw2k | when i run apt-get update / upgrade what happens to apps that are currently open? |
| 23:24.45 | budRich | ok im root, atleast in konsole. but: kate /etc/apt/sources.list doesn't work |
| 23:25.06 | tosmarcel | I remember the first time I played with linux. I went in balls deep accidentally with ubuntu and erased windows... Best mistake of my life |
| 23:25.21 | ompaul | Jonnyw2k: they tend to work until they don't, if they have libs that they need that are no longer there. |
| 23:25.23 | ompaul | Jonnyw2k: they tend to work until they don't, if they have libs that they need that are no longer there. |
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| 23:25.45 | ompaul | Jonnyw2k: generally they load enough to keep running until shut down and restarted |
| 23:25.53 | tharkun | budRich: use a cli editor of your choice. Mine is vim, others pick nano, and a strange breed of users pick emacs. |
| 23:26.11 | Jonnyw2k | so I should reboot after doing an upgrade? |
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| 23:26.23 | ompaul | Jonnyw2k: only if you install a new kernel |
| 23:26.48 | slurpage | tosmarcel lol i was the best mistake my parents ever made |
| 23:26.50 | ompaul | Jonnyw2k: just close what you have open and restart the applications and if it something core to your desktop then restart that |
| 23:26.52 | tharkun | Jonnyw2k: just restart them and you should be fine. |
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| 23:27.04 | DoctorD90 | tharkun: sorry. some extension wont be installed from site. any idea? |
| 23:27.23 | ompaul | JohanJonsson: you don't want to have new requirements (really rare cases) for config files |
| 23:27.28 | ompaul | wpp[s |
| 23:27.30 | ompaul | woops |
| 23:27.38 | ompaul | Jonnyw2k: : you don't want to have new requirements (really rare cases) for config files |
| 23:27.47 | tharkun | DoctorD90: Sorry cought me off guard. What are you doing? |
| 23:28.16 | ompaul | Jonnyw2k: and if you going version X to version Y most certainly I'd do it outside of X and reboot after |
| 23:28.29 | ompaul | Jonnyw2k: that clear enough? |
| 23:28.38 | tosmarcel | I just realized I'm in #debian... I thought I was in another channel... I gotta make channel names stand out in weechat xD |
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| 23:29.45 | DoctorD90 | now im at bed...but i was tryong to install some extension from site. |
| 23:30.10 | DoctorD90 | but it doesnt appear on tweak tool |
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| 23:32.08 | budRich | i think i installed the drivers. apt-get found a bunch of updates to do, after they're done i'll reboot and tell you how it went. |
| 23:32.48 | budRich | tharkun: thank you very much for the help. I will rtfm when i have the right screen resolution. |
| 23:33.19 | budRich | i like to have my manuals on my kindle. is there any good e-books on debian? |
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| 23:35.12 | FourFire | WHy doesn't linux install things in parallel? |
| 23:35.46 | teward | one thing depends on another thing which depends on another thing which depends on another thing... |
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| 23:36.01 | teward | therefore you need all the dependencies installed *first* before you can install the thing you're looking for :P |
| 23:36.45 | FourFire | teward, sure, but you could, given you had an insane surplus of computing power, like, uhh, quad core processors, compare dependency trees and install those things which are nonmutual |
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| 23:37.12 | FourFire | so you could certainly install some things in parallel |
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| 23:37.50 | Psych | Hey guys. I just installed a fresh version of Debian alongside Windows. After installing Debian I restarted my laptop , and booted into Debian -- everything worked fine. But after booting into Windows and then back to Debian I got this: https://youtu.be/ycsydmSoZGA . Nothing but weird shapes are shown, skip to 1:07 to see them better. Any ideas? |
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| 23:41.48 | budRich | is debian ubuntus older wiser uncle? |
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| 23:42.22 | axk4545 | how can I easily migrate from Fedora to Debian or Ubuntu without losing my settings and packages? I have a separate /home. |
| 23:43.36 | slurpage | Psych very good video production, i like the audio track to. contact from an aliens maybe? |
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| 23:44.41 | Psych | slurpage: haha, sorry. It didn't quite capture it with the recording, the shapes at the end of the video can be seen though |
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| 23:45.14 | Psych | slurpage: Should I just re-install since I haven't actually lost any data because of the fresh install.. was just curious why this happened |
| 23:45.24 | slurpage | Psych sometimes things can hang around in video card memory, even after a reboot, has it persisted? |
| 23:45.48 | tharkun | FourFire: You are defenetly right. You can volunteer for the job. |
| 23:46.03 | budRich | i'm back after reboot. It worked!!! thank you so much tharkun. |
| 23:46.17 | tharkun | yw |
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| 23:46.18 | Psych | slurpage: It does the same thing past half hour after multiple reboots, I can boot into safe mode though. |
| 23:46.23 | Psych | And windows boot works. |
| 23:46.31 | FourFire | tharkun, noop, no way I'm retraining to be a mediocre programmer |
| 23:46.52 | axk4545 | how can I easily migrate from Fedora to Debian or Ubuntu without losing my settings and packages? I have a separate /home. |
| 23:46.53 | tharkun | FourFire: You know what my answer would be :) |
| 23:47.02 | FourFire | it can be done ,but it would still require a team of genuis software architects years to make work well |
| 23:47.16 | tharkun | axk4545: do a list of them and look for the equivalent on the other side of the fence. |
| 23:47.18 | mtn | axk4545: use your /home partition when setting up your debian paritions and don't format it |
| 23:47.25 | FourFire | tharkun, actually, I don't know you well enough yet |
| 23:47.30 | slurpage | Psych yeah try checking your partitions for bad blocks before you reinstall, dvd's and hd |
| 23:47.34 | markybob | axk4545, if you'll use the same DE, then you'll keep most settings. just tell the installer partition manager to keep /home intact. done |
| 23:47.35 | budRich | i want to install debian on my other pc, but there seems to be some problem booting from usb. same problem with other dists and windows. Only time it worked when i had windows was if i cut the power the hard way asnd rebooted. |
| 23:47.40 | tharkun | FourFire: I'm just as sarcastic as the guy next door. |
| 23:48.17 | Psych | slurpage: Alright will do, thanks! |
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| 23:49.37 | budRich | i have that other pc in my other, mobile home. and i think i'll build or buy a tiny tiny pc for it soon anyways. |
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| 23:51.00 | budRich | I'm swedish. I like freedom, music, work and psychedelic experiences btw. |
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| 23:51.50 | slurpage | budRich we have a lot in common |
| 23:52.07 | budRich | ;) |
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| 23:54.27 | budRich | slurpage are you also swedish? do you know about http://bubb.la ? |
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| 23:56.26 | budRich | when i try to install stuff with apt-get i get a message telling me to insert a CD... |
| 23:56.37 | slurpage | budRich i wish i was swedish, but i'm a mixture of defective dna that really wasn't my fault |
| 23:56.49 | budRich | it never is |
| 23:57.02 | budRich | and trust me you don't want to be swedish |
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| 23:57.21 | markybob | budRich, so edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cd entries and then apt-get update |
| 23:57.22 | budRich | I'm planning my escape |
| 23:57.36 | markybob | budRich, slurpage please keep it on topic or go to #debian-offtopic |
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