| 00:00.09 | budRich | markybob: sry, just thought i let you guys know who you where talking to. |
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| 00:03.13 | slurpage | budRich wb, did you split? |
| 00:03.26 | budRich | ok i installed awesome (a window manager). I want it to be selectable in the dropdownlist on logon. Is that possible. |
| 00:03.47 | budRich | no i logged out to see if i could choose awesome |
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| 00:07.21 | budRich | i installed a bunch of window managers (gnome, kde, xfce, mate, cinamon) when i installed debian from usb. And on the logon screen i can choose which one i wnat to use on the session. |
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| 00:07.39 | budRich | but awesome doesn't come up in the list. |
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| 00:08.11 | budRich | i'm not sure what "logon screen manager" i have, i took the top most option.. |
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| 00:10.35 | markybob | budRich, probably gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name awesome then restart gdm3 |
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| 00:13.59 | slurpage | i like cinnamon, but my wine programs don't display correctly |
| 00:15.08 | budRich | marky, i copy pasted that command and got a warning. |
| 00:15.09 | markybob | slurpage, wine support is in #winehq |
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| 00:16.17 | hassoon | slurpage: KDE FTW |
| 00:16.18 | slurpage | markybob thanks, but i think it's a window manager problem |
| 00:16.32 | hassoon | slurpage: kde forever whenever wherever |
| 00:16.51 | hassoon | slurpage: otherwise some minimalisic window manager (and preferably a tiling one) |
| 00:17.01 | slurpage | hassoon yes kde works flawlessly |
| 00:17.03 | jerseycity | I liked the kde dragon but I do t really mind gnome 3 |
| 00:17.24 | budRich | i like tiling wm, i3 and awesome. |
| 00:17.31 | hassoon | i3 ftw |
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| 00:17.40 | jerseycity | what's i3 |
| 00:18.01 | hassoon | jerseycity: a tiling window manager for many Linux/BSD systems |
| 00:18.17 | budRich | i also recently installed fedora on a pc i'm not sure what wm that was installed, but it felt good. |
| 00:18.26 | jerseycity | oh a wm |
| 00:18.38 | hassoon | jerseycity: not...the intel cpu |
| 00:18.59 | budRich | and the latest version of kde was excellent. |
| 00:19.03 | jerseycity | yeah I got the context now (: I don't use window managers |
| 00:19.16 | budRich | but i need my tiles to get work done. |
| 00:19.46 | budRich | jerseycity: no wm?? only prompt? |
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| 00:20.06 | jerseycity | sorry I meant I just use whatever the de gives |
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| 00:20.37 | jerseycity | gnome 3 usually. |
| 00:20.47 | Neo | hey everyone, I've got an issue on my server |
| 00:21.23 | Neo | I'm getting tons of lines in my syslog like: "kernel: [106460.708753] rt_bind_peer(0) @ffffffffa021bf57" |
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| 00:22.36 | jerseycity | neo is your hard disk filling up? |
| 00:22.58 | Neo | I don't expect them to be there, and I'm not sure how to squelch the error. jerseycity it's on its way to being filled up |
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| 00:23.52 | Neo | syslog and debug are both at 63M because of it |
| 00:24.00 | budRich | i'm logging out, i think i fixed it. ( https://wiki.debian.org/Awesome ) |
| 00:24.05 | jastrahm | Hey guys anyone have any grasp of dwm? |
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| 00:25.03 | jerseycity | neo read this https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/195378 |
| 00:25.48 | Neo | actually it looks like this all started after enabling tunnelbroker |
| 00:25.48 | yareckon | wild, 8 pm download iso, have bug in debian installer, go to report bug. |
| 00:26.08 | yareckon | steve has already fixed it an hour or two earlier (!) and it is building |
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| 00:26.19 | yareckon | wait an hour, new iso pops up |
| 00:26.31 | yareckon | pretty sweet |
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| 00:28.54 | budRich | it worked! I now have awesome installed and working. |
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| 00:29.43 | budRich | I also installed irssi. and on the welcome screen it told me about #debian@irc.debian.org . i tried to join but get the msg that i am banned... |
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| 00:30.18 | budRich | is this the same channel? |
| 00:30.26 | markybob | budRich, not surprised. you are kind of annoying and keep going offtopic even after warnings not to |
| 00:30.38 | markybob | budRich, no, irc.debian.org is oftc |
| 00:31.01 | budRich | i went ot once and said sry. |
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| 00:32.36 | budRich | markybob: "you are kind of annoying" <- isn't that OT. and not called for. I'm new to debian, think twice it's allright. |
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| 00:33.56 | mutante | budRich: that's a different IRC network, not the same |
| 00:34.20 | budRich | so why am i banned, i never connected to it before.. |
| 00:35.10 | budRich | i know you don't know since it's not the same network. but it's weired right. |
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| 00:35.56 | slurpage | budRich don't take it personally, debian is an exclusive club, and you must earn the right of passage |
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| 00:36.48 | iluminati | hi does thunderbolt work with linux |
| 00:36.56 | budRich | got it, and oc i don't take it personally. Just wondered. But this channel is the "official" support channel, right? |
| 00:37.17 | markybob | budRich, irc.debian.org, oftc, is the official one |
| 00:37.54 | markybob | budRich, we're just here because it used before here before the move to oftc |
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| 00:38.17 | budRich | oftc? what does that stand for? |
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| 00:38.39 | markybob | !oftc |
| 00:38.39 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 00:46.25 | budRich | ok i got more semi OT stuff i want to ask, here goes: I'm tired of doing the same irssi setup every time i install a new OS. Is there a way to load the settings from something cloudbased like git or dropbox in neat way? (answer in PM so markybob doesn't explode) ) |
| 00:47.18 | themill | ,i vcsh |
| 00:47.19 | judd | Package vcsh (misc, optional) in jessie/amd64: Version Control System for $HOME - multiple Git repositories in $HOME. Version: 1.20141026-1; Size: 17.8k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: https://github.com/RichiH/vcsh/blob/master/README.md |
| 00:47.37 | budRich | cool |
| 00:47.43 | markybob | budRich, irssi config is on ~/.irssi/config ...yeah, what themill said |
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| 01:04.48 | dvs | the wrong one!!! |
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| 01:08.39 | iluminati | hi does thunderbolt work with linux |
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| 01:11.38 | slurpage | what a mess, jupe the route guys |
| 01:11.59 | markybob | iluminati, not really. video works okay. ethernet, no. from intel: "Thunderbolt software is currently available only to manufacturers with a valid Thunderbolt technology License" |
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| 01:15.18 | iluminati | markybob, and if i want to connect external hard disk with thunderbolt |
| 01:15.22 | iluminati | that will work |
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| 01:15.54 | sh00p | illuminati chatting in debian, illuminati confirmed |
| 01:16.21 | markybob | iluminati, yeah that should work with kernel 3.17 and above. so if you have jessie you'll want to use a backported kernel from backports.debian.org |
| 01:17.41 | iluminati | markybob, and what packages i need to install |
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| 01:18.26 | markybob | iluminati, https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-amd64 go to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 01:19.07 | iluminati | markybob, ok thanks for your help . |
| 01:19.46 | dvs | notes that markybob works for the Illuminati |
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| 01:23.43 | slurpage | dvs sshhh it's a secret |
| 01:25.32 | iluminati | :) easy come easy go |
| 01:25.41 | iluminati | <o> |
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| 02:17.56 | dvs | See! Illuminati! |
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| 02:18.14 | markybob | dvs, i might have to order your murder :P |
| 02:18.25 | dvs | *gulp* |
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| 03:13.05 | wsky | don't murder anyone! |
| 03:15.53 | kline | whats a good way of running untrusted commands in a secure way? I thought about using a chroot to restrict the execution to a given directory subtree but it's only available to root |
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| 03:19.31 | wsky | kline: you could run selinux iuf that's what you're looking for |
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| 03:20.16 | kline | that sounds like a lot of work |
| 03:20.17 | wsky | but running a vm or a container is much simplier |
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| 03:20.26 | kline | yeah, im thinking container might end up being best |
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| 03:21.41 | kline | basically i just want a joke game where you need to do this, in essence: https://xkcd.com/1168/ |
| 03:22.06 | kline | obviously, without in-depth understanding of tar (and other commands), it's hard to just /look/ at a command and know it did the right thing |
| 03:22.40 | wsky | you might want a simple debootstrapped system for that |
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| 03:25.18 | mizudomo | omg hey, i just royally screwd something up |
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| 03:25.37 | mizudomo | installing skype, now when i open any terminal skype opens |
| 03:25.49 | mizudomo | and i cant even use my command line >_<! |
| 03:26.09 | mizudomo | there's like no prompt just the termina window |
| 03:26.13 | mizudomo | and skype |
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| 03:26.26 | wsky | you probably chose the skype binary to be your shell |
| 03:26.33 | mizudomo | O.o |
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| 03:26.58 | mizudomo | well i obviously do not want this lol |
| 03:26.59 | wsky | check your terminall settings and ~/.bashrc |
| 03:27.12 | wsky | yeah, skype performs bad as a shell :D |
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| 03:27.31 | mizudomo | ok, standby, looks like xterm functions |
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| 03:27.50 | EggFile | Any blackbox users? I just found an active fork; https://github.com/bbidulock/blackboxwm this is really amazing to see it coming back to life.. |
| 03:28.01 | EggFile | I compiled it, runs nice, I don't like the 'left click' 'iconified window', would love to see an option to disable or get it hacked out... |
| 03:28.22 | mizudomo | what would i look for in the settings? |
| 03:28.22 | EggFile | I noticed that in sid new blackbox patches, but whoever is maintaining it might want to pick up this fork instead... :) |
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| 03:28.37 | wsky | mizudomo: you use xterm? |
| 03:28.45 | wsky | or what |
| 03:28.52 | mizudomo | no i never use it, but my terminator was wonky |
| 03:29.09 | wsky | dunno about terminator |
| 03:29.35 | wsky | also what's the way you run your terminal? |
| 03:29.43 | wsky | what's the way you open it? |
| 03:29.49 | mizudomo | super-t (opens Terminator) |
| 03:30.01 | wsky | and what's your de? |
| 03:30.07 | wsky | or the wm |
| 03:30.08 | mizudomo | de? |
| 03:30.10 | mizudomo | oh |
| 03:30.13 | mizudomo | x11 |
| 03:30.14 | wsky | desktop environment |
| 03:30.16 | mizudomo | (p sure) |
| 03:30.17 | mizudomo | openbox |
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| 03:30.24 | wsky | checkyour openbox config |
| 03:30.27 | wsky | as well |
| 03:30.47 | mizudomo | just found this in ~/.bashrc: |
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| 03:30.49 | mizudomo | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ /usr/bin/skype |
| 03:30.55 | mizudomo | at the very end |
| 03:31.05 | wsky | that's odd |
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| 03:31.40 | mizudomo | soo...can i just delete it? ^ ^'' |
| 03:31.45 | mizudomo | the line i mean |
| 03:31.46 | wsky | i remember it being needed for skype to detect the camera properly |
| 03:31.55 | wsky | you can comment it out |
| 03:32.01 | wsky | relog and see what happens |
| 03:32.29 | mizudomo | cool, i try that not |
| 03:32.32 | mizudomo | now* |
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| 03:34.53 | mizudomo | nailed it |
| 03:34.55 | mizudomo | thanks |
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| 03:34.58 | wsky | \o/ |
| 03:34.59 | mizudomo | that was weird tho |
| 03:35.15 | wsky | probably a skype deb script was responsible for that |
| 03:35.17 | jeep | skype hacked you |
| 03:36.02 | mizudomo | yet another mark against micr0suft |
| 03:36.06 | wsky | how long ago you were installing it? |
| 03:36.18 | mizudomo | like 10 min ago |
| 03:36.31 | wsky | ah, so they've updated their package |
| 03:36.41 | wsky | i don't remember it doing that before |
| 03:36.49 | mizudomo | do u use it? |
| 03:36.51 | mizudomo | skype |
| 03:36.56 | wsky | not anymore |
| 03:37.15 | mizudomo | is there something better/? |
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| 03:37.34 | wsky | i try to reduce proprietary software |
| 03:37.38 | wsky | that i use |
| 03:37.42 | mizudomo | yeah |
| 03:37.44 | wsky | i mena reduce using it |
| 03:37.45 | mizudomo | i think about that time to time |
| 03:38.12 | wsky | is there something better? well i use mumble but you can't make phone calls with it |
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| 03:38.37 | mizudomo | dont even really care about phone calls, i just need the vid calls/chat |
| 03:38.52 | wsky | ah you can't do vid calls with it neither i think |
| 03:38.57 | wsky | just voice |
| 03:38.57 | mizudomo | hm! |
| 03:39.08 | mizudomo | well, still sounds pretty viable |
| 03:39.12 | mizudomo | if it comes to that |
| 03:39.22 | wsky | it's good but it's just voice mumble to mumble |
| 03:39.38 | mizudomo | i'll remember that though |
| 03:39.41 | wsky | also no limit for multi user chats |
| 03:39.42 | mizudomo | and thanks for your help |
| 03:39.50 | wsky | np; hf |
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| 03:56.26 | wonderfulmee | would putting apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade in crontab result in non-dist-upgraded debians all around because apt-get expectes a "Y"? would echo -e "Y\n" |apt-get dist-upgrade do the trick? is there a more elegant solution? |
| 03:56.43 | wonderfulmee | *expects |
| 03:56.57 | markybob | wonderfulmee, it's a great solution if you want a broken system |
| 03:57.06 | wonderfulmee | yay! |
| 03:57.25 | wonderfulmee | I got two unattended debians that I'd like to dist-upgrade |
| 03:57.47 | markybob | wonderfulmee, dont ever use dist-upgrade for unattended. https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 03:57.52 | wonderfulmee | what seems to be the problem? |
| 03:58.14 | markybob | wonderfulmee, the wiki would give you what you want |
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| 03:59.04 | wonderfulmee | markybob, okay, I actually read it. I don't see the problem |
| 04:00.00 | markybob | wonderfulmee, -y dist-upgrade will remove packages without you knowing about it. that shouldn't be unattended. if you must, use upgrade, not dist-upgrade |
| 04:00.36 | wonderfulmee | those are very minimal installations with basically apache|nginx/openssh/mysql |
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| 04:00.50 | markybob | right. things that don't matter. |
| 04:01.07 | wonderfulmee | they don't, those are not public servers |
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| 04:01.48 | markybob | wonderfulmee, if you really didn't want advice you shouldn't have asked. do what you want. |
| 04:02.30 | wonderfulmee | markybob, I actually didn't expect that to be that big of a thing |
| 04:04.40 | wonderfulmee | I'm running a local debian VM where I'm upgrading, well, timely. and two remote VPS's |
| 04:04.58 | wonderfulmee | while this recent openssl bug is no heartleech |
| 04:05.06 | wonderfulmee | i'd still like it patched |
| 04:05.09 | wonderfulmee | hence the question |
| 04:05.13 | markybob | wonderfulmee, it also doesn't affect debian stable |
| 04:06.27 | wonderfulmee | markybob, I'm well aware of the repercussions |
| 04:06.47 | markybob | wonderfulmee, it doesn't affect debian stable. so why mention it? are you not using debian stable? |
| 04:06.58 | wonderfulmee | still, what's the risk of putting apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade in crontab? |
| 04:07.06 | wonderfulmee | those are not exactly mission critical servers |
| 04:07.12 | themill | an utterly broken machine |
| 04:07.17 | markybob | wonderfulmee, i told you. it removes things without you noticing. it will break |
| 04:07.20 | wonderfulmee | how come? |
| 04:07.25 | themill | because that |
| 04:07.31 | themill | 's what that command can do |
| 04:07.48 | wonderfulmee | which one? apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:07.52 | markybob | wonderfulmee, yes |
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| 04:08.02 | wonderfulmee | dist-upgrade breaks debian? |
| 04:08.05 | wonderfulmee | oh well |
| 04:08.12 | markybob | wonderfulmee, unattended? yes |
| 04:08.21 | markybob | wonderfulmee, will you answer if you're running stable? |
| 04:08.29 | aedinius | dist-upgrade removes things? |
| 04:08.34 | markybob | aedinius, yes |
| 04:08.34 | aedinius | I thought it didn't by default. |
| 04:08.37 | markybob | jesus |
| 04:09.39 | wonderfulmee | let me fire up my local debian to ssh into my remote debians |
| 04:09.45 | aedinius | I thought you had to add --auto-remove for it to remove anything |
| 04:09.50 | wonderfulmee | I don't have a win32 ssh client |
| 04:10.13 | themill | aedinius: no, that's what the "dist-" part is about. Packages must be removed as part of the upgrade. |
| 04:10.21 | wonderfulmee | apt doesn't remove anything unless explicitly asked |
| 04:10.27 | themill | wonderfulmee: there is a reason why apt has a confirmation prompt |
| 04:10.29 | markybob | wonderfulmee, you're wrong |
| 04:10.31 | themill | wonderfulmee: not true |
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| 04:10.42 | wonderfulmee | well then. not true |
| 04:10.50 | wonderfulmee | never experienced that |
| 04:11.03 | themill | never done a dist-upgrade? |
| 04:11.04 | wonderfulmee | jockeyed around plenty of times |
| 04:11.13 | themill | or used testing or sid? |
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| 04:11.19 | wonderfulmee | again, plenty of times |
| 04:11.24 | wonderfulmee | did I do dist-upgrade |
| 04:11.27 | markybob | i dont think he gets the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade. and he won't answer if he's running stable or not |
| 04:11.38 | themill | in which case you'd see that dist-upgrade wants to remove packages on a regular basis |
| 04:11.46 | wonderfulmee | I can answer; I can cat /etc/debian-whatever |
| 04:12.00 | wonderfulmee | although I don't know the difference, no I don't |
| 04:12.07 | wonderfulmee | prolly stable |
| 04:12.16 | themill | the tools have man pages |
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| 04:12.24 | wonderfulmee | you don't say |
| 04:12.52 | themill | and they explain these differences... |
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| 04:12.56 | markybob | wonderfulmee, so go read. it's good for you if you don't want to break your system. we've been telling you dist-upgrade unattended is bad and you won't believe us. so read the docs |
| 04:13.20 | wonderfulmee | okay, I have yet to break a system |
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| 04:13.41 | wonderfulmee | and I've done remote upgrades |
| 04:13.52 | themill | remote is not the same as automated. |
| 04:14.13 | wonderfulmee | not necessarily |
| 04:14.23 | wonderfulmee | hence me asking |
| 04:14.23 | themill | *sigh* |
| 04:14.23 | markybob | i hope so |
| 04:14.28 | markybob | yeah, i give up |
| 04:14.43 | themill | wonderfulmee: you've been given advice and places to find out more info; take it or leave it. |
| 04:14.53 | wsky | heh i broke my debian today for few minutes |
| 04:15.02 | wsky | i've removed apt by accident |
| 04:15.10 | themill | good work, that's hard to do |
| 04:15.19 | wsky | but dpkg remained so it wasn't bad |
| 04:15.21 | wonderfulmee | themill: to reiterate, you most certainly don't advise putting "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" into crontab |
| 04:15.34 | wonderfulmee | because issues |
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| 04:16.59 | wonderfulmee | I'm not arguing syntaxis, rather the very idea |
| 04:17.10 | wonderfulmee | you're saying don't do it |
| 04:17.14 | wonderfulmee | okay than. |
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| 04:18.15 | wsky | themill: well apt decided that it should remove itself while doing an autoremove |
| 04:18.25 | wsky | and i've agreed |
| 04:18.43 | wonderfulmee | on another note |
| 04:19.07 | wonderfulmee | I've got a local debian VMWare image |
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| 04:19.27 | wonderfulmee | it's being obnoxious what with all its vmware-tools |
| 04:19.41 | wonderfulmee | while I'm pretty much alright with open-vm-tools |
| 04:20.08 | themill | wsky: apt adds itself to the essential set so that should have required all manner of scary warnings and I would also have thought it would not have been autoremovable |
| 04:20.19 | wonderfulmee | every time I suspend it's acting up, as in showing a dialog |
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| 04:20.34 | wsky | themill: yes that's what happened |
| 04:20.38 | wonderfulmee | it suspends alright and restores even better |
| 04:20.44 | themill | wsky: fun :) |
| 04:20.56 | wonderfulmee | how do I tell the VM to nevermind the vmware tools? |
| 04:21.17 | wsky | themill: anyways, i've just downloaded the needed packages and installed them back with dpkg |
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| 04:21.24 | wsky | all fine now |
| 04:21.43 | wsky | at least dpkg didn't get removed along with the rest |
| 04:21.45 | wonderfulmee | rather the lack of vmware tools |
| 04:22.15 | awal1 | I dont understand the bell purpose |
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| 04:25.05 | wonderfulmee | you do realize that you're mostly useless |
| 04:25.54 | wsky | wonderfulmee: not everyone has to be usefull |
| 04:26.11 | jeep | just takes up space |
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| 04:26.29 | wonderfulmee | but then again you're advocating too cautious pratices |
| 04:26.33 | markybob | wonderfulmee, themill is an op. i wouldn't call him useless |
| 04:27.01 | themill | wonderfulmee: you need to realise that your attitude towards getting help has convince most people not to bother. |
| 04:27.18 | wonderfulmee | markybob: being an op doesn't magically do anything of use |
| 04:27.48 | markybob | wonderfulmee, he gave you good advice. you're the one who chose to ignore and get offended. it wasn't a personal attack |
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| 04:28.13 | wonderfulmee | themill: I might be an asshole, but I don't see how that has a bearing on unattended apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:28.26 | wonderfulmee | I realize there's a chance it won't go smoothly |
| 04:28.29 | jeep | themill is always right |
| 04:28.31 | markybob | wonderfulmee, your syntax wouldn't even have worked in the first place |
| 04:28.50 | markybob | wonderfulmee, because you won't read the man page like we told you to. you need -y |
| 04:29.14 | themill | wonderfulmee: you can feel free to ignore advice, but (a) don't argue about it and (b) don't complain later. |
| 04:29.16 | themill | So, moving on. |
| 04:29.31 | wonderfulmee | markybob: I don't have a shell in front of me, so obviously I might be wrong on the syntax. |
| 04:30.10 | wonderfulmee | themill: that's an honest advice if nothing else. |
| 04:30.13 | Spec | you also need to specify how you want conflicts in changes to configuration files are handled |
| 04:30.35 | wonderfulmee | echo -e "\rY" |
| 04:30.55 | wonderfulmee | works for me |
| 04:31.02 | Spec | ie; -o "Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold" |
| 04:31.12 | AlwaysHi- | can i set soft and hard limit to the same? |
| 04:31.28 | wonderfulmee | I'm running a minimal setup |
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| 04:31.51 | markybob | minimal != apache|nginx/mysql/whatever else you mentioned |
| 04:31.51 | wonderfulmee | on both of my VPS's |
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| 04:32.13 | wonderfulmee | it's actually just apache/mysql/whatever |
| 04:32.28 | wonderfulmee | as minimal as it gets |
| 04:32.36 | Spec | a full stack is the opposite of minimal |
| 04:32.39 | markybob | you live in a weird world |
| 04:32.41 | Spec | ^ |
| 04:32.49 | wonderfulmee | oh come on |
| 04:33.02 | Spec | It is generic, but not minimal |
| 04:33.09 | wonderfulmee | agreed. |
| 04:33.22 | Spec | most people don't run webservers on same server as db |
| 04:33.27 | Spec | for a loooot of reasons |
| 04:33.28 | themill | I think we're just going around in circles now. There's not actually a support question here. |
| 04:33.31 | wonderfulmee | most people do |
| 04:33.41 | Spec | wonderfulmee: oh ok |
| 04:33.41 | markybob | most people don't do unattended dist-upgrade either. he's not most people |
| 04:33.50 | wonderfulmee | most people don't need a separate DB server |
| 04:33.52 | Spec | i do unattended upgrades |
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| 04:33.59 | markybob | not dist-upgrades. |
| 04:34.02 | Spec | nope |
| 04:34.04 | markybob | that's different |
| 04:34.05 | Spec | because why would you do that |
| 04:34.10 | markybob | because he's insane |
| 04:34.15 | Spec | unless you like broken things |
| 04:34.35 | themill | Spec: we covered that 40 minutes ago |
| 04:34.37 | wonderfulmee | I'm not running a mission-critical Challenger-2016 Console |
| 04:34.43 | Spec | themill: i scrolled up a bit for backlog, didn't realize it was dist-upgrade, my bad ;) |
| 04:34.49 | wonderfulmee | if apache won't start, I'll freaking restart it |
| 04:34.55 | wonderfulmee | no big deal, really |
| 04:35.04 | themill | moving on |
| 04:35.06 | wonderfulmee | I'm not running anything publically available |
| 04:35.13 | wonderfulmee | like, at all |
| 04:35.19 | Spec | I believe the consensus is: do whatever man |
| 04:35.27 | wonderfulmee | will do |
| 04:35.48 | wonderfulmee | thanks for your input |
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| 04:36.25 | wonderfulmee | really, I don't mean to come off as an asshole |
| 04:36.44 | wonderfulmee | really |
| 04:36.57 | uxfi | WormFood, |
| 04:36.58 | uxfi | hey |
| 04:37.33 | wonderfulmee | it's just that like the day before yesterday we've had yet another openssl whatever that was |
| 04:37.53 | wonderfulmee | I'd like to "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" that unattended |
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| 04:38.03 | markybob | wonderfulmee, it was nothing because it doesn't affect debian stable like i've said three times now |
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| 04:38.28 | themill | wonderfulmee: you've got your answer, please go and read the resources you've been given. |
| 04:38.53 | wonderfulmee | markybob: that was an example, and I believe it did affect jessy. I vaguely remember receiving an openssl upgrade |
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| 04:39.42 | wonderfulmee | it's not that deadly of a bug, nowhere near heartbleed. still. |
| 04:40.59 | wonderfulmee | anyways, I'm not always around to manually apt those ladies up |
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| 04:41.16 | wonderfulmee | hence the freaking question |
| 04:41.22 | wonderfulmee | as in, what do I put into crontab |
| 04:41.36 | wonderfulmee | dist-upgrade is obviously out of the question |
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| 04:41.41 | themill | wonderfulmee: you've got your answer, please go and read the resources you've been given. |
| 04:42.00 | Spec | yes, you've all the data you need to do what you want |
| 04:42.26 | themill | To encourage you to read them rather than repeating the same question again and again without reading the answers, let's try a little channel mode change to provide you with some reading time. |
| 04:43.16 | cra1g321 | if only we had some awesome wiki ;) |
| 04:43.43 | themill | Or packages that came with tools that already work and have documentation |
| 04:43.59 | markybob | cra1g321, like the one i linked him to? :/ arg |
| 04:44.30 | cra1g321 | why are you making him read and learn you fool ? just give him the answer !! |
| 04:44.41 | cra1g321 | ;P |
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| 04:48.18 | uxfi | hi cra1g321 |
| 04:48.19 | uxfi | awake? |
| 04:49.26 | markybob | uxfi, he got fucked up last night so he went to sleep early. what's up? :P |
| 04:49.47 | uxfi | LOL |
| 04:49.49 | cra1g321 | said hello in offtopic ;) |
| 04:49.53 | markybob | heh |
| 04:49.56 | uxfi | oh |
| 04:50.01 | uxfi | forgot to tab over |
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| 04:54.31 | wsky | hm i didn't know apt can have a rpm backend |
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| 05:12.49 | Elronnd | Sorry, wrong channel |
| 05:13.12 | ipatrol | is there any reason a system would start failing after being updated *three seperate times* |
| 05:13.49 | ipatrol | not as in, after three updates, as in, install system, update system, system breaks horribly, reinstall system, lather, rinse, repeat |
| 05:14.15 | markybob | ipatrol, obviously there's a reason. i don't think anyone here is psychic, though. you need to give details |
| 05:14.22 | markybob | !tell ipatrol about ask |
| 05:14.57 | ipatrol | markybob: a Kali installation that I would then add the main Debian repo to because I wanted a fuller system |
| 05:15.17 | markybob | ipatrol, kali is not supported here because of such things. sorry. |
| 05:15.19 | markybob | !kali |
| 05:15.19 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 05:15.31 | ipatrol | I've asked, trust me |
| 05:15.43 | markybob | ipatrol, it's still not supported here. |
| 05:16.19 | ipatrol | markybob: ok, but is there anything I'm doing that's obviously stupid? |
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| 05:16.39 | markybob | ipatrol, yes. you're mixing two different distributions. that's really stupid. |
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| 05:19.55 | ipatrol | markybob: I wouldn't think it would cause a problem though |
| 05:20.30 | ipatrol | "even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent" gee thanks |
| 05:21.01 | markybob | ipatrol, yes, it does |
| 05:21.07 | markybob | !don't break debian |
| 05:21.08 | dpkg | methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 05:21.19 | markybob | !FrankenDebian |
| 05:21.19 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 05:21.42 | markybob | ipatrol, it's basically the worst thing you can do to debian |
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| 05:22.07 | ipatrol | markybob: you're making me laugh so hard I'm tearing up |
| 05:22.21 | markybob | ipatrol, i'm glad you're having a fun time |
| 05:22.37 | ipatrol | never a dull moment, I suppose |
| 05:22.45 | markybob | ipatrol, kali and debian will never mix. i'm sorry you think they should and that i say they don't is funny |
| 05:22.45 | themill | "doctor, it hurts when I do this" |
| 05:22.55 | markybob | ipatrol, you're just wrong |
| 05:23.21 | ipatrol | markybob: no, the mental image of an OS as Frankenstein's Monster is simply hilarious |
| 05:23.44 | themill | :) |
| 05:24.37 | themill | If you've been around Debian long enough to remember what release came out in 2002, then: |
| 05:24.39 | themill | !bobbitt |
| 05:24.39 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Jessie, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 05:25.43 | ipatrol | themill: I'm fully aware of the fact that all Debian distros have been named after Toy Story characters |
| 05:26.29 | ipatrol | whoever wrote the dpkg bot could have become a comedian |
| 05:27.05 | markybob | ipatrol, we've pretty much all done it. i've made many factoids :P |
| 05:27.43 | wsky | wikipedia says that Aurox used apt but with rpm backend |
| 05:27.59 | ipatrol | how is that even possible? |
| 05:28.13 | wsky | aparently apt can have rpm backend |
| 05:28.22 | cafuego | apt-rpm |
| 05:28.22 | markybob | ipatrol, /msg dpkg foo is foo |
| 05:28.27 | cafuego | It's a thing. |
| 05:28.39 | markybob | oh |
| 05:29.02 | cafuego | goes back to sleep |
| 05:29.34 | ipatrol | hey, what do you call a child process of `cat`? |
| 05:32.50 | markybob | ...cat doesn't have child processes |
| 05:33.04 | ipatrol | `kitten`s! |
| 05:33.08 | markybob | no |
| 05:33.41 | ipatrol | YES |
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| 05:34.48 | markybob | ipatrol, stop playing around. no one likes it. |
| 05:35.10 | ipatrol | rolls eyes |
| 05:35.19 | ipatrol | ok, down to brass tacks then |
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| 05:36.29 | ipatrol | what would be a good filesystem for a /var partition? |
| 05:36.45 | cafuego | One that doesn't lose data |
| 05:36.47 | markybob | ipatrol, ext4 |
| 05:37.26 | ipatrol | cafuego: I'm more concerned with performance than integrity though |
| 05:37.41 | cafuego | tmpfs |
| 05:37.45 | markybob | ha |
| 05:37.50 | markybob | for /var...that's cute |
| 05:38.02 | markybob | i guess troll for troll |
| 05:38.11 | cafuego | brows :-) |
| 05:38.17 | cafuego | bows also |
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| 05:38.55 | cafuego | ipatrol: If you need performance, make sure you put it on an SSD |
| 05:39.22 | ipatrol | cafuego: technically, they're all on a vdisk |
| 05:39.35 | cafuego | vdisk? |
| 05:39.39 | ipatrol | virtual disk |
| 05:39.48 | markybob | ipatrol, i think you're talking out of your ass |
| 05:40.03 | markybob | ipatrol, vdisk isn't a thing |
| 05:40.09 | ipatrol | as in, the machine is in a VM, and therefore so is its HD |
| 05:40.22 | markybob | ipatrol, so just use ext4 |
| 05:40.59 | cafuego | lol, in a vm = no performance. |
| 05:41.16 | cafuego | Just use ext4. |
| 05:41.51 | ipatrol | cafuego: which only makes it more important to squeeze what perf I can get out of it |
| 05:42.14 | cafuego | Not really. If you need performance, you don't virtualise. |
| 05:42.24 | markybob | ipatrol, no. use ext4. like we've all said. |
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| 05:55.30 | ipatrol | so after three tries, I think I *finally* got my disk partitioned the way I want it |
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| 06:01.33 | ipatrol | at least once I set up /tmp as a tmpfs |
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| 06:03.18 | smdrz | can i discuss backports changes here? |
| 06:03.23 | ipatrol | is there any graphical shell that has file dialogs which support changing the view styles like you can in the file manager? |
| 06:04.12 | ipatrol | !backport caveat |
| 06:04.13 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
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| 06:09.34 | smdrz | the dependency packages for backported package 'cdo' does not exit |
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| 06:12.58 | ipatrol | they backported the package, but not its dependencies? |
| 06:13.02 | ipatrol | sounds kinda useless |
| 06:13.07 | smdrz | yes |
| 06:13.56 | smdrz | and another package libllvm3.5v5 is breaking a lot stable ones |
| 06:15.21 | ipatrol | I can only say this: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fs203.photobucket.com%2Fuser%2FSpleener12%2Fmedia%2FReaction%2520pics%2F1257288778663.jpg.html |
| 06:15.44 | ipatrol | (sorry for the long cache URL, the original site is down atm) |
| 06:16.44 | smdrz | saw it |
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| 07:05.07 | BinBasher | Hi, I'm getting this xorg error: http://pastebin.com/MNZqPBHj it shows that there are 2 errors, can anyone help me? |
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| 07:10.46 | BinBasher | can't find a fix though |
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| 08:45.21 | sindo | How can one update older Debian 5 or 6? There is always an update error, the repos are probably not reachable. |
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| 08:45.43 | svetlana | i would think that ``apt-get update; apt-get distupgrade'' works |
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| 08:53.38 | sindo | no dist-upgarde doesn't work, too. |
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| 08:53.53 | svetlana | pastebin its output, please? |
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| 08:55.09 | BinBasher | http://pastebin.com/MNZqPBHj |
| 08:56.16 | themill | sindo: you need to follow the release notes for each individual upgrade: 5→6, 6→7, 7→8. At some stage it becomes easier to reinstall an old and very neglected box. |
| 08:56.59 | sindo | No I don't want to upgrade the distro to a newer one, I will still use debian 5 or 6. |
| 08:57.01 | themill | sindo: additionally, for a very old release such as Debian 5 "Lenny", you would need to fix the sources.list to use archive.debian.org prior to starting. |
| 08:57.25 | themill | Well there's nothing to upgrade on EOL releases. |
| 08:58.11 | themill | sindo: It would be helpful to establish whether it's 5 or 6 btw. These are precise concepts not vague ones. |
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| 08:58.55 | sindo | I use both but explanation for 6 would be enough |
| 08:59.13 | themill | no |
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| 08:59.59 | sindo | there is no update because it has eol |
| 09:00.22 | themill | Lenny has been completely unsupported for 4 years; squeeze has some level of support but not much. Neither release receives updates. |
| 09:01.24 | Kabi | Why ubundu 10 mouse stucks |
| 09:02.11 | digdilem | no other line on irc is going to be as good as that one |
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| 09:03.04 | Kabi | ubundu based on debian so is debian bug exists of mouse sock |
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| 09:03.31 | themill | Kabi: wrong channel. Sounds like you're looking for #ubundu. Or perhaps #ubuntu. |
| 09:03.57 | Kabi | Ok thanks i will go |
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| 09:06.23 | teclo- | jej |
| 09:06.27 | teclo- | heh I mean |
| 09:06.52 | teclo- | sounds like that Kabi fellow just had some serious drinking |
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| 09:10.49 | Remind | I can't get my hybrid intel/NVIDIA GTX 950M to work. I've followed the bumblee wiki, which led to a permission error. I've tried blacklisting nouveau and manually installing the 352.55 driver, which led an Xorg error. Does anyone have any experience with getting these hybrid cards to work? The only way I can see if my card is recognized is by using 'lspci' |
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| 09:15.22 | Remind | Also, if I have a optimus system, which I think I do because of the hybrid thing. Should I manually install an NVIDIA driver, and then bumblebee for Debian 8 Jessie? |
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| 10:43.35 | mallxs | i have a system debian 7.9 with 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 ... how do i unpin the bpo, can't find any refs in /etc/apt to the bpo except for the source |
| 10:44.36 | themill | mallxs: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 10:46.05 | mallxs | Hi themill it is still on wheezy and has a bpo ... i would like to first get to a normal kernel and then upgrade to jessie |
| 10:46.46 | themill | there's no need to do that though -- what's your motivation? |
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| 10:47.51 | mallxs | well a the message that my kernel is keeped back after every update is annoying :-) |
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| 10:48.17 | themill | what message? |
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| 10:48.41 | themill | and packages being kept back is a bit irrelevant if you're about to upgrade to jessie |
| 10:49.34 | hexnewbie | mallxs: You're running full-upgrade/dist-upgrade, right? |
| 10:49.35 | mallxs | yes going to jessie is the main goal ... |
| 10:49.55 | hexnewbie | mallxs: Though I suspect that is preferred to be ran after a regular upgrade |
| 10:51.16 | mallxs | hexnewbie: this is my work station so actually i just do a upgrade here if i get the message there are upgrades |
| 10:51.42 | hexnewbie | mallxs: Well, you're saying you're upgrading to jessie. |
| 10:52.21 | hexnewbie | mallxs: An upgrade will keep back some packages, that will later be upgraded by a full-upgrade - hopefully. If they don't, aptitude sometimes gives more useful output and provides you with more choices. |
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| 10:52.57 | hexnewbie | mallxs: And I kinda forgot about doing upgrade before full-upgrade, because I always do a snapshot before upgrading, so I don't care what happens :) |
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| 10:54.57 | mallxs | hexnewbie: ok, so you say do a full-upgrade first .. and i was thinking that would include the kernel .. but understand i ca just go to jessie |
| 10:56.06 | hexnewbie | mallxs: No, first upgrade, then full-upgrade/dist-upgrade. I forgot about it in the first message, because I rely on backups instead of carefulness. :) |
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| 10:57.33 | mallxs | hexnewbie: no data on this machine, just a lot of setup |
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| 10:57.52 | hexnewbie | mallxs: Actually, don't listen to me, listen to the guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade |
| 10:58.25 | mallxs | hexnewbie: Thanks, will read and follow |
| 10:58.27 | hexnewbie | mallxs: Well, yes, I was talking about a backup of the root filesystem (which is what you're upgrading), not the data. |
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| 10:59.26 | slurpage | why does icedove keep getting held back? |
| 10:59.29 | hexnewbie | mallxs: The guide also has notes on unofficial packages, backports and related problems. |
| 10:59.30 | mallxs | hexnewbie: i' running gnome-clasic will jessie give me that ? |
| 11:00.01 | themill | dpkg: tell slurpage about bat |
| 11:00.14 | themill | bah... |
| 11:00.51 | hexnewbie | mallxs: Haven't used Gnome in 15 years or so, but I hear Jessie has at least Cinnamon and MATE. Don't know if GNOME guys dropped classic or not. |
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| 11:01.31 | DoctorD90 | hello! im trying to install an extension for gnome, from site, but it doesnt appear in tweak tool |
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| 11:05.34 | themill | dselect: tell slurpage about bat |
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| 11:20.39 | slurpage | themill thanks, i typically run apt in a terminal and it would not upgrade icedove, but synaptic did just upgrade it, what gives? |
| 11:21.13 | themill | without actual output to look at we can only guess |
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| 11:21.49 | themill | (it's likely to be the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade though) |
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| 11:22.39 | slurpage | themill, yeah it's 8.2, that's probably what it is |
| 11:22.55 | DoctorD90 | anyone know about my gnome extension issue? :) |
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| 11:29.33 | ewew | Hi. Im having some trouble with conky. If i click on area it just dissapears and the process crashes. Im running it with conky -d command. Thank you for any idea whats wrong. |
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| 11:31.53 | DoctorD90 | ewew trying to search about buffers and window mode |
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| 11:32.32 | ewew | one time it was good probably without the -d. |
| 11:32.53 | DoctorD90 | ewew - ps aux | grep conky |
| 11:33.14 | DoctorD90 | get ne number of pid of real command (not of grep) and kill it ------- kill NUMBER |
| 11:33.32 | gerep | Hello good people. I've installed the net version and I can't connect to my network, wireless or cable, I thought that with the cable it would connect automatically, is that correct? |
| 11:33.32 | DoctorD90 | then to test purpose use a terminal window, and just run conky |
| 11:33.46 | DoctorD90 | use crtl-c to stop it ;) |
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| 11:35.47 | ewew | if its running without the -d flag it looks so far its stable. I wonder why. |
| 11:35.52 | slurpage | gerep did you try a reset on the cable modem? |
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| 11:36.07 | gerep | slurpage: I'll try that |
| 11:36.32 | eolien | hi |
| 11:36.51 | eolien | post is in fr but easily understandable |
| 11:36.53 | eolien | https://www.debian-fr.org/pxelinux-debian-live-keymap-t54450.html#p537243 |
| 11:37.04 | eolien | i want to boot pxelinux a debian live with fr keymap |
| 11:37.05 | eolien | azerty |
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| 11:37.18 | eolien | here's list of every conf i tried |
| 11:37.24 | eolien | nothing worked :/ |
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| 11:37.38 | snooky | hello |
| 11:37.40 | eolien | did anyone does that ? |
| 11:37.44 | eolien | and have the conf ? |
| 11:37.49 | eolien | hi snooky |
| 11:37.51 | snooky | i doent really good speak english but i need help with my debian server |
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| 11:38.10 | snooky | i have an vps server from ovh |
| 11:38.24 | snooky | this i have upgradet from 10gb to 20gb ssd space |
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| 11:38.51 | snooky | when i use df -h he says me 10gb, but in fdisk or cfdisk i see 20gb. what i wrong? |
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| 11:42.46 | Beluki | Hi. Is there a Debian Jessie image that includes the firmware needed to connect to the internet using a broadcom wireless card? |
| 11:43.07 | jelly | snooky: after growing the disk size, you also need to grow the partition size (and the lvm PV and lvm LV size if you're using lvm) and your filesystem, too, one at a time |
| 11:43.39 | jelly | Beluki: try the |
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| 11:43.43 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 11:43.50 | jelly | dselect: firmware images |
| 11:43.50 | dselect | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 11:43.58 | Beluki | Thanks! |
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| 11:44.47 | BinBasher | does xorg.conf.new do anything in /root/ or does it sit there to become xorg.conf? |
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| 11:46.30 | snooky | jelly: can i paste you the code |
| 11:46.33 | JyZyXEL | where can i find transparent debian logos? |
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| 11:46.46 | jelly | snooky: be careful when resizing the partition, esp. if you're using a tool that forces you to delete an old partition and create a larger one in its place |
| 11:46.54 | jelly | snooky: sure |
| 11:46.56 | jelly | !paste |
| 11:47.00 | jelly | dselect: paste |
| 11:47.02 | snooky | yes, moment |
| 11:47.04 | dselect | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 11:47.34 | jelly | snooky: might also want to pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "sfdisk -d /dev/sda" |
| 11:47.51 | snooky | ok, moment |
| 11:48.03 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, have you looked in here? https://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 11:48.17 | ewew | Looks like it was set to fork twice. :-D By cmd and by config. |
| 11:48.19 | JyZyXEL | yeah it was rediculously outdated |
| 11:48.26 | snooky | root@vps206163:~# lsbsk -bash: lsbsk: Kommando nicht gefunden. |
| 11:48.34 | JyZyXEL | i want modern transparent logos |
| 11:49.03 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, or contruct it with this recipes https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo |
| 11:49.09 | dutchfish | construct* |
| 11:49.20 | jelly | !sing fhffhqvb |
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| 11:49.54 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how to make it myself |
| 11:50.08 | snooky | jelly: |
| 11:50.09 | snooky | http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?936346 |
| 11:50.21 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, look at the source of that page view-source:https://www.debian.org/logos/openlogo-nd.svg |
| 11:50.32 | JyZyXEL | no, i want something pre made that looks really good |
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| 11:50.45 | JyZyXEL | the idea is to make debian appealing and not crappy looking |
| 11:51.01 | snooky | jelly: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?936347 |
| 11:51.34 | snooky | http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?936348 |
| 11:51.38 | JyZyXEL | i need something 128x128px that looks good on a black background |
| 11:51.50 | snooky | but why df -h says me 10gb? |
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| 11:51.58 | jelly | snooky: okay, so it looks your partition vda1 is extended already |
| 11:52.03 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, well, that svg can be altered inside gimp easely |
| 11:52.17 | JyZyXEL | i have exactly 0 skill in graphics |
| 11:52.21 | JyZyXEL | everything i do looks like absolute shit |
| 11:52.26 | themill | JyZyXEL: the link you were given has what you are asking for |
| 11:52.38 | jelly | snooky: all that's left is to resize the filesystem, then. resize2fs -p /dev/vda1 |
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| 11:52.53 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, well, if you show me a rough sketch and point out what you want i make it for you |
| 11:53.28 | snooky | jelly: |
| 11:53.30 | snooky | yes thanks |
| 11:53.36 | snooky | now it is right |
| 11:53.43 | snooky | thanks for your help |
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| 11:54.21 | Psych_ | Hey guys. Why can't I install nvidia-detect package? It says 'E: Unable to locate package nvidia-detect'. |
| 11:54.46 | jelly | dselect: tell Psych_ about non-free sources |
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| 11:56.05 | ewew | Is a setting background mode of process via cmd and config a common misstake ? |
| 11:58.45 | jelly | ewew: that question is too vague, really. Do you have a concrete example in mind |
| 11:59.20 | ewew | If its normal to set the same option twice ? |
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| 11:59.39 | ewew | In cmd and config file. |
| 12:00.13 | Psych_ | jelly: Thanks! I added the non-free URL to my sources.list and got the package. |
| 12:00.47 | jelly | ewew: which option, for which command? |
| 12:01.00 | ewew | conky -d and background yes |
| 12:01.11 | spacebug^ | I'm using some kind of debian on my raspberry pi 2. Now, I cant seem to find the package php5-mysql in those repositories. Can I add notmal debian repositories? The one I have is "https://repositories.collabora.co.uk/debian/ jessie rpi2" |
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| 12:01.33 | jelly | ewew: good, now someone who uses conky can answer that |
| 12:01.48 | jelly | can't |
| 12:02.06 | ewew | The main problem is why it goes down when i click with mouse on it. |
| 12:02.12 | themill | spacebug^: you need to work out which distro you're actually using and add that to your sources.list |
| 12:02.16 | markybob | spacebug^, what does "some kind of debian" mean? |
| 12:02.36 | stoned | Raspbian? |
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| 12:03.15 | jelly | spacebug^: ask your vendor which distro they're basing their system on. If it's debian it might be relatively safe to add debian repos. If it's raspbian it may not be safe. |
| 12:03.22 | spacebug^ | not raspbian. It's some distro someone made to enable the flotingpoint in the cpu |
| 12:03.46 | themill | well that's what raspbian is |
| 12:04.11 | spacebug^ | seems to be this on https://www.collabora.com/about-us/blog/2015/02/03/debian-jessie-on-raspberry-pi-2/ |
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| 12:06.49 | themill | dpkg, wb |
| 12:06.49 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 12:06.50 | jelly | spacebug^: best ask them. If you want an interpretation, this quote strongly suggests they used actual debian armhf architecture. > standard Debian hardfloat userland will run just fine. So the obvious first thing to do when an RPI 2 appeared on my desk was to put together a quick Debian Jessie image for it |
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| 12:08.01 | spacebug^ | jelly: thanks |
| 12:08.09 | jelly | spacebug^: this, in turn means yeah it might be safe to add a set of jessie sources, but again that's just an educated guess |
| 12:08.20 | jelly | dpkg, tell spacebug^ about jessie sources.list |
| 12:08.35 | spacebug^ | My thoughts too. I'll give it a try. |
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| 12:33.09 | ewew | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en its for stable but the document says it for strech. |
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| 12:47.00 | nkuttler | ewew: you can file bugs against the website |
| 12:47.06 | rastapopoulis | Hey guys i have a secondary PCI based soundcard M-audio Delta 1010LT, The soundcard is detected but I can hear no sound when i aplay a wav file |
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| 12:48.00 | ewew | nkuttler I just wanted to confirm that what i see, someone else sees too. |
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| 12:50.44 | nkuttler | ewew: yes |
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| 13:00.48 | ossii | whats the best solution currently, to use Exchange mail/calendar/contacts? Currently testing DavMail+Evolution. Though I feel its a bit slow, sometimes can take like 10-15 seconds just to load an email, other times its instant. |
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| 13:00.53 | ossii | other then OWA.. |
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| 13:02.35 | ossii | open or commercial doesn't matter |
| 13:02.38 | ewew | nkuttler Against which package i should file bug ? |
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| 13:04.56 | nkuttler | ewew: iirc reportbug will tell you when you start it |
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| 13:15.38 | BinBasher | does xorg.conf.new do anything in /root/ or does it sit there to become xorg.conf? |
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| 13:16.28 | petn-randall | BinBasher: Most likely the admin moved it there. |
| 13:17.05 | BinBasher | petn-randall: I am the admin :P |
| 13:17.36 | petn-randall | BinBasher: Do you remember doing it then? ;) |
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| 13:18.47 | petn-randall | BinBasher: .conf.new is an extension that debconf gives to a file if you choose not to overwrite it, when you're upgrading that package. |
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| 13:19.04 | BinBasher | I remember doing Xorg -configure thinking that it would fix my backlight (I now know it doesn't) But I got the error as shown in http://pastebin.com/MNZqPBHj ; now I'm afraid to reboot without getting a gui |
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| 13:19.53 | petn-randall | BinBasher: However, jessie doesn't ship with any xorg.conf (AFAIK), so there would be no opportunity where debconf would ask to overwrite it, you select 'no', and then debconf renaming the new file to xorg.conf.new. |
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| 13:20.59 | BinBasher | petn-randall: will that happen^ ? |
| 13:21.10 | BinBasher | petn-randall: and does the file do anything? |
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| 13:38.22 | BinBasher | could anyone help me get my backlight to work? :P the values change but the light doesn't |
| 13:39.28 | wsky | what is your debian version? |
| 13:39.51 | BinBasher | jessie |
| 13:39.59 | wsky | do you use backports? |
| 13:40.04 | BinBasher | yes |
| 13:40.14 | wsky | did you use a backported gpu driver? |
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| 13:40.52 | BinBasher | ehh not sure, don't think so |
| 13:41.03 | BinBasher | nope probably not. |
| 13:41.06 | wsky | what backports you use then? |
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| 13:41.48 | wsky | sorry for these questions, i have backlight issues with the backported intel gfx driver here so i'm trying to tell is this an issue of this sort |
| 13:42.07 | wsky | especially when you're saying it worked before |
| 13:42.47 | BinBasher | it has worked with other distros but not debian yet |
| 13:43.10 | wsky | other distros use other software versions |
| 13:43.18 | BinBasher | yeah |
| 13:43.34 | wsky | maybe backport the gpu driver then |
| 13:43.38 | wsky | what's your gpu? |
| 13:43.58 | BinBasher | nvidia geforce gtx 675M |
| 13:44.00 | wsky | i mean as in, install a backported one |
| 13:44.25 | BinBasher | I'll try that |
| 13:44.37 | wsky | do you use nouveau or the binary driver? |
| 13:45.32 | wsky | also is it a dual-gpu system (with a dedicated and a discrete chips) |
| 13:45.38 | wsky | probably is |
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| 13:49.31 | wsky | because if it is you might need additionall software to handle that |
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| 14:05.27 | BinBasher | wsky: it is, but I have no idea which drivers I'm using, how can I check? |
| 14:05.56 | wsky | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 14:06.15 | wsky | erm |
| 14:06.19 | wsky | not grep -i direct |
| 14:06.24 | wsky | glxinfo | grep -i opengl |
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| 14:06.33 | wsky | the latter command |
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| 14:07.10 | wsky | also lsmod will show your kernel modules |
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| 14:07.22 | wsky | it will either be nouveau or nvidia |
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| 14:08.43 | Psychiatrist | Has anyone tried installing Telegram on Debian ? |
| 14:08.44 | BinBasher | wsky: http://pastebin.com/iy4FB5hK |
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| 14:09.25 | Brigo | Psychiatrist, i have it installed. |
| 14:09.40 | BinBasher | Psychiatrist: there seems to be an automated installer on http://pastebin.com/iy4FB5hK |
| 14:09.40 | baum | do i have to deinstall a package before installing it's backports version? |
| 14:09.52 | BinBasher | whoops, I mean https://desktop.telegram.org/ Psychiatrist |
| 14:09.52 | Brigo | baum, no. |
| 14:10.03 | baum | Brigo: thanks |
| 14:10.08 | wsky | BinBasher: so you're current;y running the intel gpu and for nvidia you got the nouveau driver |
| 14:10.10 | Brigo | baum, np :) |
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| 14:10.51 | BinBasher | wsky: alright, so what do I do now? :s |
| 14:11.14 | wsky | BinBasher: what i'd recommending is backporting the intel driver and replacing nouveau with the binary nvidia-driver |
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| 14:11.34 | wsky | but i have no expereince on running systems with discrete+dedicated |
| 14:11.43 | wsky | i always run single gpu units |
| 14:12.24 | wsky | there was software called bumblebee(?) handling such systems but afaik it's being handled by the kernel now |
| 14:12.35 | wsky | also, yeah you could run a backported kernel too |
| 14:13.00 | wsky | bumblebee-nvidia - NVIDIA Optimus support using the proprietary NVIDIA driver |
| 14:13.07 | wsky | yeah you would probably need that too |
| 14:13.30 | BinBasher | wsky: apparently I'm bad at installing gpu drivers lol, I always end up without a gui |
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| 14:13.55 | BinBasher | wsky: do you recommend me to install bumblebee-nvidia? |
| 14:14.23 | wsky | BinBasher: as i said, i never used a system with optimus but you probably will have to with the nvidia binary blobs |
| 14:15.03 | baum | uhm, i'm running debian-stable with iceweasle 38.5, however according to debian.org jessie comes with 38.6. To add even more confusion if i try to install the bakcports version (should be 43.0) i get the notice that iceweasel is already the newest version. Why? |
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| 14:15.17 | wsky | so get the backported xserver-xorg-video-intel, get nvidia-driver, bumblebee-nvidia and the backported linux-image |
| 14:15.29 | wsky | that's what i would do at least |
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| 14:16.16 | baum | nvm i'm an idiot... |
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| 14:16.52 | wsky | baum: jessie was updated few days ago to 8.3 |
| 14:17.15 | wsky | baum: run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and you'll have your iceweasel up to date |
| 14:17.44 | baum | wsky: just noticed that & started running the updates, thanks :) |
| 14:17.49 | wsky | np |
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| 14:18.49 | wsky | there is an odd bott spamming again |
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| 14:19.00 | baum | where? |
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| 14:19.21 | wsky | here |
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| 14:19.48 | wsky | all same ip wandering around |
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| 14:20.08 | baum | oh, didn't notice that |
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| 14:21.51 | wsky | 15:19:56 -!- woy [~woy@105.155.71.37] has joined #debian |
| 14:21.54 | wsky | and again |
| 14:22.07 | BinBasher | I have join/leave off :p |
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| 14:22.13 | wsky | i don't |
| 14:22.31 | BinBasher | it makes me crazy |
| 14:22.34 | mwilliams | Anyone uses ricochet-im? |
| 14:22.43 | mwilliams | or QT based app in debian? |
| 14:23.08 | baum | wsky: hehe thanks to you posting the logs i realized that my system time is one minute off :) |
| 14:23.09 | mwilliams | I install ricochet-im, and its ui display rubbish(?) characters |
| 14:23.15 | wsky | :D |
| 14:23.19 | mwilliams | how can i configure to get it displayed correctly? |
| 14:23.21 | wsky | baum: ntp sorts it out |
| 14:24.03 | mwilliams | the ui text looks like http://imgur.com/8kfxw9p |
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| 14:24.42 | DoctorD90 | openweather extension is bugged... |
| 14:25.12 | baum | hmmm is there anything wrong with this? apt-get -t jessie-backports install iceweasel |
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| 14:25.15 | ment0s_ | Hello |
| 14:25.44 | wsky | DoctorD90: cinnamon? |
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| 14:26.17 | wsky | ment0s_: hi |
| 14:26.52 | ment0s_ | I need help with compositor under gnome-shell, I installed gnome over tasksel but previously I was running lxde, I removed lxde and openbox sessions and set alternatives to mutter but I dont get window settings in gnome settings as well as I dont get any transparency or compositioning in it. any ideas ? |
| 14:27.00 | BinBasher | wsky: upon installing nvidia-driver I got a prompt nouveau is conflicting, should I continue? |
| 14:27.24 | wsky | yes nouveau has to be removed if you want to install the nvidia driver |
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| 14:27.41 | wsky | they can't be both present on a system at once |
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| 14:27.57 | BinBasher | wsky: are you sure it detects the right one to install so I won't boot into a terminal prompt once I reboot? |
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| 14:28.09 | BinBasher | wsky: I've had that issue before.. |
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| 14:28.31 | wsky | uhm rather it should be fine but if it somehow fails then you know how to use apt to bring back nouveau |
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| 14:29.37 | wsky | back in the days you had to generate xorg.conf as well but afaik these days it's optional |
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| 14:31.16 | BinBasher | wsky: how do I bring nouveau back? |
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| 14:31.25 | BinBasher | wsky: just aptitude install nouveau |
| 14:31.26 | BinBasher | ? |
| 14:31.28 | wsky | by installing the nouveau package with apt |
| 14:31.48 | BinBasher | it's just nouveau right? |
| 14:31.48 | wsky | the package is called xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 14:31.51 | BinBasher | ah |
| 14:32.22 | BinBasher | will I have to redo something with gdm3 then? or should it be fine? |
| 14:32.39 | wsky | no, gdm3 wont need to be reconfigured |
| 14:32.57 | BinBasher | great.; I'll try rebooting and coming back |
| 14:33.03 | wsky | good luck |
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| 14:33.07 | BinBasher | thanks :-) |
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| 14:35.55 | DoctorD90 | wsky no, gnome |
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| 14:36.25 | DoctorD90 | wsky but only now, at the and, im solving issue, playing woth dconf.....but it remains bugged :P |
| 14:36.31 | BinBasher | wsky: it says I need to enable the nvidia driver in xorg.conf (which I don't have) -- I've had issues doing Xorg -configure |
| 14:36.37 | petn-randall | BinBasher: You can safely delete it if you don't need it's contents anymore. What does the timestamp say? I imagine it being very old. |
| 14:36.56 | wsky | BinBasher: don't do X -configure, there is nvidia-xconfig for that |
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| 14:37.41 | BinBasher | petn-randall: it's from today, lol. I've been doing a lot of configuring today |
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| 14:41.19 | BinBasher | wsky: is this an issue? http://pastebin.com/vwf1QGmW |
| 14:42.12 | wsky | BinBasher: it gave some odd warning message but wrote the xorg.conf file, should be ok |
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| 14:42.22 | BinBasher | alright |
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| 14:43.44 | urozavi | what is /run/systemd/journal/stdout, and why is it listening on so many ports? |
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| 14:44.32 | BinBasher | urozavi: it's standard output |
| 14:45.03 | urozavi | BinBasher: why stdout is listening on so many ports? |
| 14:45.31 | BinBasher | no idea :P |
| 14:45.40 | BinBasher | rebooting! wish me luck |
| 14:46.15 | wsky | i wonder why do you need a xorg.conf anyway, nowdays it's optional |
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| 14:55.44 | xmj | moin! |
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| 14:56.32 | xmj | does debian stretch support a) skylake GPUs b) NVIDIA optimus (/bumblebee or so) c) installing it on ZFSonLinux ? |
| 14:57.31 | xmj | or, Jessie, for that matter |
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| 14:59.18 | wsky | xmj: optimus seems to be supported by jessie |
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| 15:00.08 | xmj | cool, that's one |
| 15:00.11 | xmj | :) |
| 15:00.35 | babilen | And yeah, skylake procs work |
| 15:00.54 | babilen | Why don't you try it? |
| 15:00.54 | towo` | but the gpu part is a problem in jessie |
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| 15:01.19 | towo` | skylake gpu needs firmware, which is propably not packaged in jessie |
| 15:01.31 | babilen | I'm happily using it on stretch |
| 15:01.49 | babilen | Well, sid actually, but that shouldn't make a difference in this regard |
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| 15:34.37 | xmj | "why don't I try it?" because I haven't purchased the hardware yet |
| 15:35.22 | xmj | babilen: I'm currently shopping for a new laptop -- and, whereas I'd usually just put FreeBSD in it, recent graphics hardware support has been so disillusioningly bad that I'm shopping for an alternative OS. |
| 15:40.43 | nedstark | xmj: avoid nvidia if you want to use linux |
| 15:41.03 | xmj | nedstark: is optimus support so bad these days? |
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| 15:41.30 | nedstark | they eventually get around to supporting linux, but i would not bet on the new cards being fully compatible |
| 15:41.56 | xmj | oh boy. |
| 15:42.00 | nedstark | ATI is the way to go |
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| 15:42.27 | xmj | nedstark: don't ATI GPUs usually come with AMD CPUs ? |
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| 15:42.54 | baum | even if the support would be better, ati would still be the way to go - simply for them being more supportive to open source drivers than nvidia is... |
| 15:42.57 | pastebin | Heya! |
| 15:43.02 | baum | xmj: no |
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| 15:43.21 | baum | xmj: i'm running here an intel cpu & ati card |
| 15:43.25 | pastebin | I do understand that this might not fully be the correct channel for me, but i was hoping for the best! =) I'm trying to use my Raspberry Pi 2 as a Hotspot along with Edimax USB-WiFi, but failing |
| 15:43.40 | baum | amd & ati | intel & nvidia is a thing of the past |
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| 15:44.22 | nedstark | usually ati accompanies amd cpu laptops but not always |
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| 15:44.51 | nedstark | the dell inspiron has an intel i7 and ati |
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| 15:45.34 | nedstark | if i were in the market for a brand new laptop i'd look at system76.com since they support linux above all else |
| 15:45.42 | xmj | baum: i'm currently siding with just intel GPU (whatever they ship with recent laptop processors) |
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| 15:46.04 | babilen | +1 |
| 15:46.27 | nedstark | only problem with system76 is their short laptop |
| 15:46.36 | nedstark | only problem with system76 is their short laptop warranty |
| 15:46.48 | baum | xmj: well kinda depends on what you want to do with your laptop, if it's office only intel only should be fine |
| 15:46.50 | xmj | and that they don't have 13" |
| 15:47.05 | baum | heck even an amd should be enoth for a office-notebook |
| 15:47.14 | nedstark | batteries are only warrantied for 1 year, and they always go bad in 2-3 years |
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| 15:47.23 | xmj | baum: what i do with my laptop currently is, run firefox, staroffice, and lots of tmux+vim or tmux+ssh/tmux/vim terminals |
| 15:48.02 | xmj | nedstark: ASUS batteries go bad (down to 66% or less) within a year and a half |
| 15:48.07 | xmj | anyhow |
| 15:48.11 | xmj | thanks for the info! |
| 15:48.26 | baum | xmj: depending on your DE/WM even a 10 year old intel atom should be able to handle that :) |
| 15:48.42 | xmj | baum: i3 :p |
| 15:48.49 | nedstark | i am just buying cheap 2-in-1's since linux runs fine on those |
| 15:49.03 | nedstark | my main pc's are towers |
| 15:49.11 | xmj | nedstark: what's this 2-in-1 thing i've kept seeing everywhere? |
| 15:49.23 | xmj | "laptop/tablet" or "laptop+desktop" ? |
| 15:49.29 | baum | xmj: i'm running i3 on an old eeebook (intel atom cpu) - runs just fine |
| 15:49.44 | nedstark | its like a tablet+keyboard form factor that runs a real os not a tablet os |
| 15:50.11 | nedstark | most of the cheap ones come with a stripped down version of windows and they are slow, but they run better with linux |
| 15:50.14 | xmj | baum: oh, no worries there. i'm getting a new one because the laptop disintegrates. display shows artifacts within tuxracer, headphone jack doesn't work, the replaced battery sucks already, ... |
| 15:50.24 | xmj | nedstark: ah! |
| 15:51.11 | baum | xmj: heh might want to consier a more "professional" notebook then |
| 15:51.24 | baum | thinkpad bussiness line or a HP elite book or something like that |
| 15:51.30 | xmj | dell xps 13 looked nice |
| 15:51.54 | xmj | but so did lenovo yoga, so much choice :| |
| 15:52.20 | baum | xmj: keep your hands away from the lenovo yoga |
| 15:52.34 | xmj | why? |
| 15:52.39 | baum | got one of the first series when they were released - worst desicion ever |
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| 15:53.15 | xmj | baum: was looking at Yoga 900-13ISK, 13" 16GB RAM 500GB SSD.. looked tasty |
| 15:53.19 | baum | beside some designflaws (like: liftnLock works with the keyboard, but not the touchpad) these things have some kind of quality issues |
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| 15:53.30 | xmj | ouch =/ |
| 15:53.42 | baum | i ended up seeing the keyboards inprints at the screen |
| 15:54.05 | nedstark | here's an option for linux laptops http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-14-3451-laptop-ubuntu/pd |
| 15:54.06 | baum | you can't change the battery, water resistence is a thing of the past |
| 15:54.12 | xmj | oh shite |
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| 15:54.17 | baum | and that thing is hardly maintainable |
| 15:54.29 | xmj | you lost me at "can't change the battery". |
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| 15:54.56 | nedstark | they say you can't change the battery on macbook airs but you just need special tools |
| 15:55.08 | baum | i even used old gericom laptopls in the past - would have traded the yoga in for it at any time.... |
| 15:55.24 | baum | the yoga realy made me regret selling my old thinkpad |
| 15:55.33 | xmj | is the battery soldered in? |
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| 15:56.18 | baum | nedstark: the point is: wanna store the notebook somewhere? or maybe it gets wet? or maybe the battery goes bad? in all this cases i want to change the battery without going through glue or hidden screws |
| 15:56.57 | hiya | how can we know the Date of account creation? |
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| 15:57.53 | baum | xmj: i've yet to figure that out - like stated aboth that thing is rather hard to maintain (unlike the old thinkpad where you could just look up how to disassamble it) |
| 15:57.58 | nedstark | pc world has an article about the ubuntu dell's http://www.pcworld.com/article/2931974/dells-affordable-ubuntu-powered-inspiron-laptops-take-aim-at-chromebooks.html |
| 15:58.09 | baum | things are tight, glued together, hidden... |
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| 15:58.46 | nedstark | they are the cheapest new linux laptops on the market |
| 15:59.19 | nedstark | i have never bought a new linux laptop, they all came with windows |
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| 16:00.01 | xmj | nedstark: how long did that stay on the laptop tho |
| 16:00.37 | nedstark | i dual boot since there are some games and apps i use that aren't on linux |
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| 16:00.46 | baum | after thinking of my past purcases and how resource heavy i3&co. are, i guess i'd just buy a used thinkpad in the future |
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| 16:01.22 | xmj | baum: that's what i was told from so many other BSD guys |
| 16:01.33 | nedstark | there are good refurb deals out there on newegg |
| 16:01.40 | nedstark | some even have warranties |
| 16:01.40 | xmj | baum: but, I do like the idea of having an 1080p (or better) screen |
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| 16:02.11 | baum | xmj: well you could always just change the thinkpad's screen |
| 16:02.19 | baum | that's what actually quite a few people do/did |
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| 16:02.40 | baum | the pro with the old one is that they are realy easy to adapt - and nearly undestructable |
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| 16:02.59 | xmj | well the thing is |
| 16:03.21 | xmj | i have no clue how, and i just want to throw money at some vendor to get a solution that *just* works. |
| 16:03.50 | xmj | if i wanted to tinker with things - i wouldn't be here asking stupid questions about debian hardware support ;) |
| 16:04.09 | baum | i tried that, spent first 400bucks on a new thinkpad, it broke, threw 1500 bucks at the yoga - still not happy |
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| 16:04.30 | baum | i should have gone with a 600bucks ebay thinkpad right away - i'd prolly be happy up to this day |
| 16:05.52 | xmj | heh |
| 16:06.11 | xmj | baum: from what i heard thinkpads on ebay (in the $200-300 pricerange) come in two conditions. |
| 16:06.20 | xmj | immaculate - flawless - brand new, and |
| 16:06.22 | xmj | broken. |
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| 16:07.06 | baum | heh looking at the past i'd be willing to take that risk |
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| 16:08.47 | baum | beside that it's still a mystary to me why the new thinkpads come with a new design - the old frame was perfect, the new ones are a joke.... |
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| 16:09.22 | baum | /rage off |
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| 16:11.31 | baum | xmj: incase you still want to buy a yoga - let me know, i'll make you a good deal ;) |
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| 16:11.48 | moozzz | baum: did you have a bad experience with the lenovo yoga? =) what was the problem? |
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| 16:12.08 | strk | are there known problems with M.2 support on Debian systems ? |
| 16:12.41 | xmj | baum: which model do you actually have ? |
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| 16:14.07 | strk | none yet, but was wondering, since these guys report M.2 not being supported by ubuntu up to 15.10: http://www.quietpc.com |
| 16:14.08 | baum | xmj: uhm, would have to look it up, the first one, (about 1-1,5 years old) i7, 256gb ssd, 8gb ram - was sold for about 1,800€ on the open market |
| 16:14.27 | baum | xmj: with build in digitizer |
| 16:14.43 | baum | actually with pretty much all the extras you could get |
| 16:15.14 | rgr | xmj: if you're looking for a debian thinkpad and dont need real whizbang get an x121e with 8 gigs and stick an ssd in it. Superb and just works. |
| 16:15.16 | baum | moozzz: you might want to scroll up a bit - answered your question aboth |
| 16:15.25 | xmj | yeah, i was looking at the 500GB-1TB range, i7, 16GB+ RAM |
| 16:15.29 | xmj | 13.3" too |
| 16:15.49 | baum | no way i3/firefox/vim would use that |
| 16:15.51 | strk | odd, as system76 ships with M.2 just fine |
| 16:15.53 | rgr | sure you really need 16 gigs? Even developing large java apps I never get near 8 gigs. |
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| 16:16.12 | xmj | baum: firefox, sure |
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| 16:16.41 | moozzz | baum: I've just connected. I read only that the yoga made you regret selling your old laptop... |
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| 16:17.03 | baum | xmj: nope, got 32gb in my desktop - firefox usually caps at arround 14gb after a month without reboot (and about 100 tabs open) |
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| 16:18.14 | xmj | baum: well, i do things that consume lots of ram that i didn't mention, because they're not quite day-to-day use :) |
| 16:18.52 | rgr | <rolls eyes> |
| 16:19.04 | xmj | indeed. |
| 16:19.30 | baum | moozzz: in short: lifNlock only works with the keyboard/not the touchpad. the built in touchpad was rather bad. the screen had to be replaced due to screen ghosting once (should be fixed now), keyboard inprints can be seen at the screen, the notebook is hard to disassamble/reassemble, the battery isn'T changeable, goodOld thinkpad water-spill protection is a thing of the past |
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| 16:19.53 | rgr | the yoga is everything a thinkpad shouldnt be. |
| 16:20.02 | xmj | sounds like. |
| 16:20.16 | baum | moozzz: the screen seemed to be a bit too flexible, the new thinkpads don't allow to "lock" the screen to the "body" anymore |
| 16:20.21 | baum | rgr: yes |
| 16:20.24 | baum | i fully agree |
| 16:20.49 | rgr | "social media" opinion probably listened to where everyone without a clue suddenly has one. DONT TOUCH THE THINKPAD DESIGN! ;) |
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| 16:21.31 | dartleader_ | anyone here familiar with QGIS? i'm having trouble changing my text editor within the python script plugin |
| 16:21.35 | moozzz | baum: wow, that's really surprising... I was actually planning to switch to yoga but now I'll probably think twice |
| 16:21.56 | strk | dartleader_: /join #qgis |
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| 16:22.11 | Voyage | hi |
| 16:22.29 | Voyage | Iam installing redmine and getting the following error that involves database.yml (dont know where it is) |
| 16:22.29 | Voyage | Determining debian-sys-maint password from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf: succeeded. |
| 16:22.29 | Voyage | Please configure your config/database.yml first |
| 16:22.30 | Voyage | Could not find gem 'rails (~> 4.1.4) ruby' in any of the gem sources listed in |
| 16:22.30 | Voyage | your Gemfile or available on this machine. |
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| 16:22.59 | axel_fly | hi Voyage |
| 16:23.05 | Voyage | axel_fly, hey |
| 16:23.07 | ewew | Please put your text in multiple sentences in one message. thank you |
| 16:23.14 | Voyage | ok |
| 16:23.24 | moozzz | baum: I'm using an Ideapad U510 at the moment, and the only thing that I haven't got to work is the internal microphone |
| 16:23.26 | dartleader_ | strk, will do |
| 16:23.29 | ikonia | Voyage: you need to clarify if this is ubuntu or debian |
| 16:23.30 | ikonia | not debian |
| 16:23.33 | ikonia | as you just told the ubuntu development channel it was ubuntu 16.04 |
| 16:23.37 | baum | moozzz: well maybe it's just me being a bit too harsh with them......but i expected the "old" thinkpad quality, and that's not what they delivered |
| 16:23.57 | Voyage | axel_fly, ewew any clues? |
| 16:24.06 | ikonia | is it ubuntu or debian |
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| 16:25.22 | moozzz | baum: well, that's somehow never the case... every new model seems to be tested only with windows |
| 16:25.33 | baum | moozzz: if you are currently happy with your ideapad the yoga might just be the right thing for you |
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| 16:26.01 | baum | i was refering to build quality, not driver quality, thinkpads usually work fine with linuix |
| 16:26.03 | baum | *linux |
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| 16:26.21 | baum | *hardware |
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| 16:27.19 | Binbasher_ | Does anyone please have a little bit of time for me? I'm in a huge need for help and I have no gui so I'm chatting mobile - the motd is in the way of chatting so please /msg me if you see this message. I just need to get gdm3 running - I used to run it but wsky tried to help me getting my backlight to work and now I don't have a gui... Please help me! Thanks in advance |
| 16:27.26 | baum | moozzz: take the thinkpad T430 for example: it's design is a way better, it's more robust, has a real mousepad and the upper part of the screen-fame integrating into the body is just superb |
| 16:27.56 | wsky | it's partially my fault |
| 16:28.18 | baum | wsky: what is your fault? |
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| 16:28.51 | moozzz | baum: that's true indeed. This model is of high quality |
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| 16:29.43 | moozzz | baum: newer version come with a carbon cover now |
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| 16:30.48 | baum | moozzz: that doesn't realy matter to me tbh - never managed to break the plastic. i'm more carefull when it comes to the joints/keyboard/touchpad/quality of the screen frame |
| 16:31.22 | wsky | baum: that all graphic environment he has is just a twm with xterm without his touchpad working XD |
| 16:31.30 | wsky | Binbasher_: also btw, try pluggin in an usb mouse |
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| 16:32.27 | baum | wsky: tbh i disabled the mouse too - it's still quite neat though incase you stumle across websites which are poorly designed |
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| 16:32.32 | Binbasher_ | Wsky I don't have any teminals or anything, the xterm on top disappeared as well, I'm very sure it's broken |
| 16:32.43 | Binbasher_ | I did nothing, it just disappeared |
| 16:32.51 | moozzz | baum: /exi |
| 16:32.53 | wsky | no no you need to move the grid to make it show up |
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| 16:33.16 | jasondb | hi |
| 16:33.23 | Voyage | Iam installing redmine and getting the following error that involves database.yml (dont know where it is): Determining debian-sys-maint password from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf: succeeded. Please configure your config/database.yml first. Could not find gem 'rails (~> 4.1.4) ruby' in any of the gem sources listed in. your Gemfile or available on this machine. |
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| 16:33.27 | Voyage | Any clues? |
| 16:33.30 | ikonia | Voyage: is this ubuntu or debian |
| 16:33.38 | ikonia | as you are telling other channels it's ubuntu 16.04 development release |
| 16:34.05 | jasondb | I'm new in debian, used a couple of times 2 years ago and now again |
| 16:34.06 | Binbasher_ | Wsky and oters Please pm me it is very difficult for me to read on the mobile webchat.. The motd is in the way, I can barely read anything here |
| 16:34.16 | jasondb | at the time I was using stable |
| 16:34.26 | jasondb | Now I'm interesed to use testing |
| 16:34.30 | Voyage | am can anyone see my message? |
| 16:34.36 | wsky | Binbasher_: btw, have you got xutils installed? |
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| 16:34.42 | ikonia | Voyage: is this ubuntu or debian |
| 16:34.43 | wsky | xterm comes in there |
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| 16:34.55 | Voyage | shrugs |
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| 16:35.01 | jasondb | my question is: is testing safe and stable like ubuntu or mint? |
| 16:35.36 | markybob | jasondb, no |
| 16:35.36 | Jonnyw2k | hey, I just put a cd in my machine, it auto-mounted, but I get a permission denied if I try and open the cd |
| 16:35.46 | Jonnyw2k | I can see it as root |
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| 16:36.59 | jasondb | markybob It's mean that is better than mint or ubuntu or worse? |
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| 16:37.31 | markybob | jasondb, probably worse. it's not stable and doesn't get security updates. |
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| 16:38.31 | jasondb | but I reading around that stable is for server and productive fields |
| 16:38.37 | nedstark | testing is "relatively" stable compared to most distros. ubuntu uses packages from debian testing |
| 16:38.37 | jasondb | testing for desktop |
| 16:38.44 | jasondb | is that not true? |
| 16:38.46 | markybob | jasondb, you're reading wrong. |
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| 16:38.59 | nedstark | ubuntu adds other packages unique to ubuntu and customizes debian ones |
| 16:39.02 | markybob | jasondb, i have stable on my laptop just fine. |
| 16:39.06 | binbasher1 | alright I got weechat baum wsky closing my mobile client |
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| 16:39.40 | jasondb | so between ubuntu, mint and testing, testing is the worse |
| 16:39.41 | baum | binbasher1: yw - will make things a way easier.... |
| 16:39.45 | jasondb | :( |
| 16:39.49 | binbasher1 | thanks baum |
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| 16:40.03 | nedstark | testing has newer packages than ubuntu, which may not be totally proven yet |
| 16:40.15 | baum | has to get back to work - ciao |
| 16:40.16 | binbasher1 | so what do I do now? |
| 16:40.33 | binbasher1 | wsky gave up >.< and no gui |
| 16:40.44 | wsky | i'm exhausted |
| 16:40.52 | wsky | i'm ircing since yesterday non stop |
| 16:40.56 | binbasher1 | I know wsky you tried |
| 16:41.02 | binbasher1 | thank you for trying |
| 16:41.17 | jasondb | nedstark so I have to go for ubuntu or mint if I want to stay in debian family |
| 16:41.21 | wsky | i start being resistant to caffeeine |
| 16:41.23 | binbasher1 | my backlight seems to work, don't have a gui |
| 16:41.42 | wsky | binbasher1: i'm guessing if you plug in an usb mouse you'll get a working pointer in twm |
| 16:41.46 | markybob | jasondb, you could use stable with backports, which a lot of us do |
| 16:41.49 | wsky | from there you can accessxterm |
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| 16:41.56 | markybob | !tell jasondb about backports |
| 16:41.58 | nedstark | jasondb, there are many variants of linux based on debian. if you want the best of mint, based on debian stable, then use linux mint debian edition, which is based on debian stable now |
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| 16:42.20 | wsky | because the touchpad requires a specific xorg feature enabled most likely |
| 16:42.20 | binbasher1 | wsky: there is no grid in twm and the top left xterm blue box is now just blue - is this normal? |
| 16:42.21 | nedstark | it was formerly based on debian testing |
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| 16:42.57 | wsky | so you got xterm running, you need to get your mouse working dude |
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| 16:43.22 | Voyage | why I am getting this message? Please configure your config/database.yml first. Could not find gem 'rails (~> 4.1.4)' in any of the gem sources listed in your Gemfile or available on this machine. |
| 16:43.29 | ikonia | Voyage: are you using debian or ubuntu |
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| 16:43.54 | nedstark | http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php this uses debian 8.3 jessie repo as its base |
| 16:44.02 | binbasher1 | ok wsky I'm plugging in my usb mouse... |
| 16:44.14 | jasondb | nedstark so lmde have old packages like stable? |
| 16:44.25 | nedstark | yes, except for the mint-made ones from their repo |
| 16:44.36 | nedstark | they use a much newer version of cinnamon |
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| 16:45.15 | dontknow | nedstark, wasn't it based on sid? |
| 16:45.20 | nedstark | not anymore |
| 16:45.23 | nedstark | it used to be |
| 16:45.28 | dontknow | ok |
| 16:46.30 | jasondb | is lmde faster than mint? |
| 16:46.34 | freq | yes |
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| 16:46.44 | nedstark | mint's version of cinnamon is much better than the one being used in debian stable or testing, 2.8.2 |
| 16:46.59 | freq | sid has been very dependable for me |
| 16:47.00 | nedstark | its been bugfixed and i don't know why debian keeps the older versions for testing |
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| 16:47.04 | jasondb | I like xfce or mat |
| 16:47.06 | jasondb | mate |
| 16:47.26 | jasondb | so lmde is not rolling anymore? |
| 16:47.34 | nedstark | lmde is point release now |
| 16:47.55 | freq | meh |
| 16:48.17 | jasondb | what is point release? |
| 16:48.39 | nedstark | its not rolling updates like arch, you eventually upgrade to a new version |
| 16:49.06 | freq | best bet is to run stretch and build your own |
| 16:49.50 | nedstark | mint's lmde repo is compatible with jessie, since it's based on jessie, i added it as a repo in jessie and it worked fine |
| 16:49.55 | jasondb | so, lmde use backports |
| 16:49.57 | nedstark | you just have to add the key |
| 16:50.16 | nedstark | they make backports available, you can check or uncheck it in the options |
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| 16:50.26 | nedstark | they also make their unstable repo available if you want |
| 16:50.53 | jasondb | so for example which version of firefox I find in lmde now? |
| 16:50.57 | freq | comile everything |
| 16:50.59 | jasondb | in stable is 38 or something |
| 16:51.05 | nedstark | 44 |
| 16:51.22 | jasondb | so it's have newer packages than stable |
| 16:51.33 | markybob | jasondb, mozilla.debian.net has 44 for stable |
| 16:51.40 | nedstark | no, 43 |
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| 16:51.45 | nedstark | 44 is in mint 17.3 |
| 16:51.47 | freq | check out xombrero, it's a much safer browser |
| 16:51.55 | nedstark | http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Debian#main |
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| 16:52.05 | binbasher1 | okay! got my twm working |
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| 16:52.44 | wsky | \o/ |
| 16:52.49 | nedstark | i just install firefox manually so it can update itself. it won't do it through a .deb installation |
| 16:52.49 | wsky | now you got a terminal |
| 16:52.54 | wsky | in X |
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| 16:53.04 | wsky | yay |
| 16:53.19 | wsky | you can run anything from there now |
| 16:53.24 | binbasher1 | wsky: thanks, in there any possibility I could return to gdm3 though? |
| 16:53.45 | wsky | tell me when the error message you were getting appears |
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| 16:54.01 | wsky | right before the gdm3 login dialogue or after you try to log in to gnome |
| 16:54.04 | xmj | try #redmine ? |
| 16:54.11 | xmj | oh god, stuck in backlog. nvm |
| 16:54.43 | wsky | tired as f |
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| 16:54.59 | jasondb | no way to understand which distro is for me |
| 16:55.10 | jasondb | lmde or testing or ubuntu or mint |
| 16:55.17 | jasondb | so confused |
| 16:55.24 | binbasher1 | wsky: with wsky it was just the white "oops, something went wrong" screen, I'm pretty sure you can find it on google images |
| 16:55.33 | xmj | jasondb: throw spaghetti at the wall, see which sticks. |
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| 16:55.38 | xmj | jasondb: simple decision heuristics ;-) |
| 16:55.40 | wsky | sounds like windows |
| 16:55.52 | xmj | anyway. |
| 16:55.54 | binbasher1 | wsky: I don't have windows lol |
| 16:56.03 | wsky | ik, just being cynical |
| 16:56.14 | xmj | baum: thanks for the disillusionment |
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| 16:56.43 | binbasher1 | wsky: when I tried with nvidia, after installing nvidia-driver when I had my gui I got a strange error hanging when it should boot the gui |
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| 16:56.56 | wsky | eh no idea, ask someone smarter |
| 16:57.16 | wsky | gdm3/gnome3 seems lotta spoiled and annoying |
| 16:57.27 | binbasher1 | it was bbswitch: no suitable _DSM call found |
| 16:57.28 | wsky | simpler stuff like twm seems running |
| 16:57.41 | wsky | you might want installing lightdm instead of gdm3 |
| 16:57.46 | binbasher1 | anyways, leaving nvidia behind |
| 16:57.52 | binbasher1 | wow storm O_o |
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| 16:58.16 | wsky | lighdm is a solid login manager |
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| 16:58.43 | binbasher1 | wsky: I'll try lightdm, does that mean gdm3 is out of the question? :( I had it working with default install |
| 16:58.58 | wsky | well gdm3 should be working, i have no bloody idea why it;s not |
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| 16:59.44 | wsky | i can't imagine a login manager requiring some sophisticated graphical functions and breaking cause of that |
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| 17:00.57 | Thorr | Is it feasible to run production system from debian testing? I needed to update xserver and a few other things from testing for skylake support.. apparently removing sid from apt sources after that breaks some things (like installing libsdl1.2-dev) |
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| 17:01.33 | markybob | Thorr, production? no. no security for one |
| 17:01.34 | rgr | Thorr: what do you mean "after that"? Youre using Sid already? |
| 17:01.41 | binbasher1 | So.. does anyone here know a lot about gdm3? or fixing gui's in general? |
| 17:01.50 | Thorr | rgr: I just added it to sources, installed a few packages, and then removed it |
| 17:02.02 | markybob | Thorr, yep, that breaks things. |
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| 17:02.24 | rgr | that will totally break things. |
| 17:02.29 | Thorr | So my options are to ditch debian or use testing, I guess I'l try running system fully from testing then? |
| 17:02.43 | Thorr | (ditch until next release anyway with skylake support) |
| 17:03.18 | markybob | Thorr, keep in mind testing is not supported here. you need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (different network) for support |
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| 17:04.03 | Thorr | markybob: by the way can you elaborate on the 'no security' ? |
| 17:04.43 | markybob | Thorr, it takes a few days at least for packages to get into testing. so you can have a huge security issue with no fix for days. it's not good for production |
| 17:05.11 | Thorr | well, it isn't a server.. |
| 17:05.45 | markybob | Thorr, same applies for browser security, etc. servers aren't the only way into your system |
| 17:07.37 | binbasher1 | Thorr: aka don't if you don't wanna get rapid seven'd |
| 17:08.12 | Thorr | So what would you recommend? arch linux? |
| 17:08.31 | binbasher1 | Thorr: gentoo :-) |
| 17:09.36 | Thorr | watch life go by watching gcc terminal output |
| 17:09.44 | binbasher1 | ^ |
| 17:09.56 | binbasher1 | that's the good life |
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| 17:10.49 | dontknow | Thorr, jessie doesn't work on skylake? |
| 17:11.16 | binbasher1 | so- is anyone good in fixing gdm3 ? according to wsky it's a special case :P |
| 17:11.20 | Thorr | dontknow: need new kernel, newer xserver for integrated gpu support |
| 17:11.50 | markybob | binbasher1, #gnome in irc.gimp.net might be better with that question |
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| 17:12.30 | dontknow | Thorr, ah i guess skylake requires non free kernel blob |
| 17:12.48 | Thorr | dontknow: no, it just needs newish kernel |
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| 17:13.34 | markybob | backports has 4.3 kernel for stable |
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| 17:14.20 | dontknow | but i heard all 6th gen intel cpus require blob |
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| 17:14.33 | dontknow | for 3d accel. |
| 17:14.47 | Voyage | can anyone help? http://pastie.org/10701958#12-13 |
| 17:15.21 | Thorr | dontknow: it is all opensource |
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| 17:16.22 | binbasher1 | if multiple desktop managers are installed, how do I choose which one starts with startx? |
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| 17:16.46 | dury | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.51 | mtn | binbasher1: you can start desktops with startx, not desktop managers |
| 17:17.52 | dury | towo`, hi there and hi all too :-) |
| 17:17.53 | Skullclown | hey, do you guys help with problems trying to build debian packages from source? |
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| 17:18.17 | binbasher1 | mtn: how do I choose which one again? |
| 17:18.36 | mtn | binbasher1: which one? what are you referring to? |
| 17:18.53 | wsky | binbasher1: you still can try switching from gdm3 to lightdm |
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| 17:19.08 | dontknow | Skullclown, just ask |
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| 17:19.22 | binbasher1 | mtn if for example if lightdm and twm are installed, how do I choose which one to start? |
| 17:19.31 | Skullclown | dontknow: I tried building squid3 to --enable-arp-acl: /root/squid-3.5.13/src/adaptation/ecap/Host.cc:22: undefined reference to `libecap::Name::Name(std::string const&, int)' |
| 17:19.43 | mtn | binbasher1: when you install the secone one, it will ask you which one you want to use |
| 17:19.44 | binbasher1 | wsky: thanks, I'll get ligtdm in a while and see if I can get gdm working from there I guess |
| 17:19.53 | wsky | no no |
| 17:19.57 | markybob | Skullclown, jesus you have balls. building as root |
| 17:19.59 | mtn | binbasher1: what is wrong with gdm? |
| 17:20.06 | wsky | you REPLACE gdm with lightdm |
| 17:20.12 | Skullclown | markybob: it's a throwaway machine |
| 17:20.13 | binbasher1 | mtn: I can't get it to work |
| 17:20.22 | markybob | Skullclown, evidently |
| 17:20.22 | mtn | binbasher1: and that means what? |
| 17:20.25 | wsky | mtn: it borked after he installed nvidia blob instead of nouveau |
| 17:20.37 | mtn | wsky: and what does borked mean? |
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| 17:20.54 | wsky | mtn: he says all it shows it's a message saying "something whent wrong????" |
| 17:20.54 | markybob | Skullclown, i'm assuming you have libecap3-dev installed? |
| 17:21.06 | charchyboy | I am unable to join debian-next, but I am running debian-testing and having an issue with it |
| 17:21.09 | Skullclown | markybob: yes |
| 17:21.12 | mtn | wsky: ok, so a driver problem. can't he go back to the nouveau? |
| 17:21.17 | wsky | he did |
| 17:21.19 | wsky | still same issue |
| 17:21.28 | mtn | wsky: he must not have removed his .conf file |
| 17:21.33 | binbasher1 | wsky: so for example twm automatically gets deleted if I install lightdm? |
| 17:21.39 | dury | did some install google earth 7 release with panoramio feature? |
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| 17:21.54 | wsky | binbasher1: no it not gets deleted but apt will ask you which login manager you want to use |
| 17:22.16 | binbasher1 | ah ok thanks |
| 17:23.16 | binbasher1 | wsky: I did move xorg.conf before we tried it, right? if there's anything you could tell mtn which helps |
| 17:23.24 | binbasher1 | in case mtn wants to help me that is |
| 17:23.34 | wsky | well i don't know did you do move it |
| 17:23.40 | binbasher1 | yes |
| 17:23.42 | wsky | i can't see with your eyes |
| 17:23.45 | mtn | binbasher1: that error is a video driver error, so I suspect it may still be trying to run nvidia |
| 17:23.53 | binbasher1 | I told you I moved it to xorg.conf.new |
| 17:24.04 | wsky | no that's not what i told you to do |
| 17:24.15 | dury | I only can see grey area it doesn't render the image though |
| 17:24.18 | binbasher1 | I told you I moved it to xorg.conf.backup I mean * |
| 17:24.31 | wsky | ok, then xorg wont read that file |
| 17:24.46 | binbasher1 | let me check what's in /etc/X11 |
| 17:25.05 | wsky | try runnning that lightdm |
| 17:25.14 | wsky | it seems saner so far |
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| 17:25.42 | wsky | twm runs well so it should not be a xorg issue |
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| 17:26.05 | binbasher1 | wsky: there's also xorg.conf.nvidia-xconfig-original |
| 17:26.09 | wsky | binbasher1: can you run twm with startx again and show glxinfo | grep -i opengl | pastebinit |
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| 17:26.32 | binbasher1 | ok wsky on it |
| 17:27.01 | mtn | wsky: gdm can fail on video problems, while simple dms will not. it needs better perfomance than the simple ones. |
| 17:27.15 | mtn | wsky: a simple one may run with "borked" graphics :) |
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| 17:27.27 | wsky | why would a LOGIN MANAGER NEED SOPHISTICATED GRPAHICSSSS |
| 17:27.36 | mtn | wsky: ask gnome ;) |
| 17:27.42 | wsky | >.< |
| 17:27.49 | shomon | hi, I just tried to log in to xchat and it gave an error to do with SSL3_GET_RECORD: wrong version number. Is there something I need to upgrade? |
| 17:27.59 | dontknow | wsky, to animate well lol |
| 17:28.13 | binbasher1 | you want me to run glxinfo | grop -i opengl | pastebint in the graphical terminal? |
| 17:28.20 | wsky | yes |
| 17:28.22 | wsky | in twm |
| 17:28.27 | binbasher1 | ok |
| 17:28.28 | wsky | also |
| 17:28.31 | binbasher1 | grep |
| 17:28.36 | binbasher1 | not grop :p |
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| 17:28.42 | dury | panoranio doesn't load properly |
| 17:28.46 | wsky | glxinfo | grep -i direct | pastebinit |
| 17:28.53 | eolien | really need some help i will kill my computer :D i tried to boot a debian live with custom filesystem.squash, it boot but was qwerty, i tried a lot of options appended to initrd, but nothing works, so i install in filesystem.squashfs "console-data" and "keyboard-configuration", i copied /etc/default keyboard to /root/chroot/etc/default/keyboard and resquashed it, it is now AZERTY but i have = instead of !... |
| 17:28.58 | Skullclown | markybob: more complete output: http://pastebin.com/BV7ff2af |
| 17:29.11 | dontknow | shomon, there is a new client based on xchat called hexchat |
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| 17:29.34 | eolien | any idea ? |
| 17:29.49 | Johntitor | s/new/newer |
| 17:29.51 | binbasher1 | wsky: how do I get a second terminal in twm? :D |
| 17:29.59 | wsky | xterm & |
| 17:30.04 | shomon | hi dontknow ok I'll tyr that |
| 17:30.12 | eolien | the host system that generate the squafs have the food configuration so i dkpg-reconfigured console-data and keyboard-configuration to set the same in chroot that in host system |
| 17:30.16 | eolien | still bad AZERTY |
| 17:30.17 | wsky | it might be messy but should work for now |
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| 17:30.41 | eolien | s/food/good |
| 17:30.43 | wsky | you can add more xterm lines to your .xinitrc as well |
| 17:30.48 | wsky | also use screen |
| 17:30.56 | DoctorD90 | guys to add key to luks device, devices must be unmounted? |
| 17:31.46 | dontknow | DoctorD90, no |
| 17:33.39 | binbasher1 | wsky: it says empty document can't send |
| 17:33.49 | binbasher1 | wsky: but I get terminal output before it |
| 17:33.51 | binbasher1 | errors |
| 17:33.55 | wsky | uh |
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| 17:34.02 | wsky | so it's borked |
| 17:34.13 | DoctorD90 | dontknow im from my luks pc with /boot /(luks) /home (luks). Even now, while running system I can add key to /home ? |
| 17:34.16 | markybob | Skullclown, oh. looks like a perl issue with Pod::Man |
| 17:34.18 | wsky | glxinfo 2>&1 | pastebinit |
| 17:34.22 | binbasher1 | Xlib: extension glx missing on display 0 |
| 17:34.46 | markybob | Skullclown, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sponsors/2015-October/044687.html |
| 17:35.08 | dury | can some help me with panoramio on google-earth please |
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| 17:35.40 | Skullclown | markybob: can I fix it manually for now? |
| 17:35.41 | dontknow | DoctorD90, keys can be add to sda, sdb form |
| 17:35.44 | axel_fly | qt or gtk for c++ development? |
| 17:35.46 | binbasher1 | paste.debian.net/377657 |
| 17:35.50 | binbasher1 | wsky: ^ |
| 17:35.55 | markybob | Skullclown, i don't know enough to say |
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| 17:37.04 | dontknow | DoctorD90, example; cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sda2 whatever.key |
| 17:37.07 | DoctorD90 | yea dontknow so even to sda while im using it? isnt a problem if im running system on sda and i add key to sda? |
| 17:37.29 | dontknow | DoctorD90, no, it is not a problem |
| 17:38.03 | DoctorD90 | yes, but my "fear"...ok So i can do it also now. and dontknow i would get your knowledge for another "simple" question |
| 17:38.16 | Skullclown | markybob: I read the next few messages in that mailing list, apparently they deleted libecap3? then why is it still not fixed in the latest version? |
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| 17:38.54 | Skullclown | markybob: wait, nvm, they say it's "fixed in squid3 - 3.3.8-1ubuntu16", but I'm not on ubuntu |
| 17:39.00 | markybob | Skullclown, i'm not sure. that's why i said i don't know enough to say :/ sorry |
| 17:39.08 | Skullclown | alright thanks |
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| 17:39.26 | Skullclown | #squid is dead, is there a better channel? |
| 17:39.52 | markybob | Skullclown, you can always try the generic ##linux |
| 17:40.10 | DoctorD90 | now i have a pass (ex. asd). It is stored in slot0 (i think). If i add a keyfile, it will be stored at slot1. when i want to open device, i can give one of them. Now. During Boot, if i set to use KEYFILE, but system cant find it, or it is corrupted, etc.....It will ask me to use another pass? or it will not boot? |
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| 17:40.17 | Skullclown | markybob alright I'll try, thanks |
| 17:40.39 | DoctorD90 | dontknow ^^^ (thx) |
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| 17:41.55 | dontknow | DoctorD90, you can enter your password and open it |
| 17:42.29 | DoctorD90 | so if i put keyfile on a usb, I can boot with usb plugged in pc, or if it isnt plugged, i have to type pass, rigth? |
| 17:43.24 | dontknow | DoctorD90, yes you have to type pass. |
| 17:44.11 | DoctorD90 | dontknow just to understand...if i use only keyfile, erasing all other pass....and it can retrieve keyfile...in theory i should enter with keyboard the content of file? |
| 17:44.17 | DoctorD90 | in theory... |
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| 17:45.07 | dontknow | DoctorD90, i don't know |
| 17:45.37 | DoctorD90 | lol..this should be very dangerous :P ....ok, now i can ask a simpler question....thx dontknow !!! |
| 17:45.58 | DoctorD90 | why i dont get notice from hexchat in gnome3? with notice enabled? |
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| 17:46.28 | dontknow | DoctorD90, but you need to create keyfile like this dd if=/dev/urandom of=whatever.key bs=512 count=4 |
| 17:46.54 | DoctorD90 | dontknow isnt more secure use random? |
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| 17:47.04 | dontknow | so you can't enter its content in theory because it is very long |
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| 17:47.24 | DoctorD90 | but even due to un-printable chars i think :P |
| 17:47.31 | dontknow | right |
| 17:48.42 | dontknow | DoctorD90, i guess urandom doesn't use backdoored intel's hardware random stuff |
| 17:49.24 | DoctorD90 | uhm? what? 0o my "mind ring" start at backdoor word....what do you mean? |
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| 17:50.44 | dontknow | DoctorD90, it turned out intel's random number generator rdrand (or whatever) has weakness on purpose |
| 17:51.04 | dontknow | and urandom doesn't use it as far as i know |
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| 17:52.27 | dontknow | urandom is only software randomness creator as far as i know |
| 17:52.44 | dontknow | correct me if i am wrong |
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| 17:53.23 | nkuttler | dontknow: the kernel uses whatever hardware resources are available for entropy |
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| 17:54.06 | nkuttler | dontknow: but random is more secure, as urandom uses software to guarantee a stream of numbers.. probably better to ask a crypto channel though for details |
| 17:54.41 | dontknow | DoctorD90, ^ |
| 17:54.54 | DoctorD90 | yes, im reading :P language barrier |
| 17:55.24 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: you can watch hexdump /dev/random and /dev/urandom for fun |
| 17:55.53 | DoctorD90 | from my knowledge, urandom dot wait for entropy collected, like random does....about intel's backdoor...uhm...i should go deeper... |
| 17:56.11 | nkuttler | intel backdoor? |
| 17:56.31 | dontknow | nkuttler, i did "cat /dev/urandom" it shows me matrix codes lol |
| 17:56.43 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: ##crypto is probably a better place for this |
| 17:56.50 | nkuttler | dontknow: hence hexdump |
| 17:57.08 | dontknow | matrix! |
| 17:57.36 | dontknow | it is matrix codes in my book :p |
| 17:57.41 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler yes, but my main issue was about adding key :) because first time i did it, i used kali with a older version of cryptsetup, and then system wont boot it up more |
| 17:57.56 | DoctorD90 | so, before add key, im retrieving some more infos :P |
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| 17:58.11 | DoctorD90 | about kyfile creation....yes, crypto is a better place :D |
| 17:58.13 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: you need to back up your keyfile |
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| 17:58.24 | DoctorD90 | for sure! |
| 17:58.32 | DoctorD90 | i have also to do a dump... |
| 17:58.40 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: fwiw, start with a keyphrase, make sure the system works, add a key file, remove keyphrase when you're sure it works |
| 17:58.44 | DoctorD90 | even if i dont know how much it can help me... |
| 17:58.51 | DoctorD90 | fwiw would be? |
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| 17:59.01 | nkuttler | !fwiw |
| 17:59.01 | dpkg | from memory, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 17:59.05 | binbasher1 | is anything wrong with this? paste.debian.net/377657 |
| 17:59.09 | dontknow | nkuttler, DoctorD90 i wouldn't suggest removing passphrase |
| 17:59.20 | nkuttler | dontknow: well, then you don't really need a keyfile either |
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| 17:59.39 | dontknow | nkuttler, it is for automount for example |
| 17:59.48 | dontknow | for another partition |
| 17:59.49 | ebit | Does debian have problems supporting 5 monitors |
| 17:59.58 | binbasher1 | no ebit |
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| 18:00.24 | nkuttler | dontknow: oh yeah, with multiple encrypted disks, sure |
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| 18:01.07 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler i have / and home enc....and using laptop at university..at each boot i should type pass....using a usb with keyfile, it should be more secure :P |
| 18:01.47 | DoctorD90 | next I should encrypt boot.... |
| 18:01.55 | freq | hi |
| 18:02.00 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: actually, not sure about that. a usb key seems easier to steal than extracting the passphrase.. |
| 18:02.28 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler i have pamusb on sdcard, to automatize login and "sudo" stuff |
| 18:02.38 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: i see |
| 18:02.48 | freq | it would be right awesome to have a usb key for booting |
| 18:02.52 | ebit | a gtx 980 can crack a 10 digit password in 60 seconds |
| 18:03.17 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler so adding keys, it simplify my life with many people around me....and, i keep very atention on that sd...btw, if i lost, i just need to erase keyfile, pasub, etc :D |
| 18:03.18 | binbasher1 | ebit: no one uses digits only |
| 18:03.20 | wsky | ebit: really?? |
| 18:03.21 | markybob | ebit, no it cant |
| 18:03.29 | markybob | wsky, no |
| 18:03.39 | wsky | markybob: ok |
| 18:03.45 | binbasher1 | wsky: did you see my pastebin? |
| 18:03.57 | freq | lol |
| 18:03.59 | wsky | i was away eating |
| 18:04.04 | Skullclown | GTX 980 Ti here, link me a GPU password hasher and I'll tell you how fast it goes |
| 18:04.07 | binbasher1 | ah ok :P |
| 18:04.13 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler dontknow 1pc with encrypted partition....1sd to controll all of them [cit. Lord Of Luks] |
| 18:04.19 | wsky | i still am eating in fact |
| 18:04.26 | DoctorD90 | partitions* |
| 18:04.40 | freq | did anyone ever try sl? |
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| 18:05.06 | binbasher1 | I can't see why people like tiling |
| 18:05.19 | freq | b4b00n: saves screen space |
| 18:05.22 | nkuttler | binbasher1: people have different tastes |
| 18:05.22 | freq | i mean BinBasher |
| 18:05.31 | freq | wow i mean binbasher1 |
| 18:05.35 | freq | goes home |
| 18:05.57 | binbasher1 | freq: hehe, gotcha |
| 18:06.18 | freq | i dunno. i used i3 for a while. it's my second choice after my favorite: openbox |
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| 18:06.48 | freq | i made my own setup that i can pack into a folder and install on any machine |
| 18:07.07 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler dontknow in this guide: http://www.finnie.org/2009/07/26/keyfile-based-luks-encryption-in-debian/ he speaks about 256 keyfile.....but i know that keyfile can be larg up to 8k ....what is this story? old version? |
| 18:07.12 | freq | it's not a distro, it will work with any release point. |
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| 18:08.29 | binbasher1 | freq: can I have a gnome-like experience with openbox? |
| 18:08.43 | freq | binbasher1: yes |
| 18:08.49 | freq | you can also have a gnome-free experience |
| 18:08.51 | binbasher1 | gnome was perfect for me |
| 18:09.04 | freq | cinnamon is the next best thing to gnome |
| 18:09.23 | freq | but if you want to leave the windows experience fully and hop to unix, gnome isnt the way to go |
| 18:09.50 | binbasher1 | ugh I really can't figure out why gdm3 doesn't work - I think I've tried everything by now |
| 18:10.03 | wsky | i used to run dwm |
| 18:10.14 | wsky | interesting but annoying in a long run |
| 18:10.15 | freq | binbasher1: have you tried to completely uninstall it and then compile it? |
| 18:10.34 | freq | apt-get purge gdm3 |
| 18:10.48 | binbasher1 | wsky: did we?^:p |
| 18:11.01 | wsky | no, you ran twm |
| 18:11.06 | freq | apt-get build-dep gdm3, apt-get -b source gdm3 and then dpkg -i gdm3_xx.deb? |
| 18:11.13 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: no idea, ask the crypto channel |
| 18:11.15 | wsky | it's the most basic wm out there |
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| 18:11.33 | freq | you need to do the above in a folder that has read/write access |
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| 18:11.45 | binbasher1 | wsky: so that works, now gnome lol. |
| 18:12.05 | wsky | did you install lightdm? |
| 18:12.14 | freq | you can do the above with anything, including kernels |
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| 18:12.43 | freq | binbasher1: what does your .xinitrc look like |
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| 18:13.06 | binbasher1 | wsky: not yet, still looking for some good DM's since light annoys the crap out of me |
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| 18:13.09 | devdes | the partition tool in graphical installation, it shows size in GB or GiB? (I know it says GB, but GB has been over-generalized these days) |
| 18:13.19 | wsky | but does it work? |
| 18:13.30 | wsky | there are very few possibilities |
| 18:13.50 | wsky | gdm3, kdm, lightdm and slim |
| 18:13.55 | binbasher1 | wsky: what do you mean O.o is my system that broken now? |
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| 18:14.16 | wsky | there was also xdm back i the days but i'm unsure is it included in debian nowdays |
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| 18:14.44 | markybob | devdes, that's been a known 'bug' for a long time. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684128 |
| 18:14.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/684128 in partman-base (open, d-i): «src:debian-installer: allow use of binary units in disk partitioner»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-08-07; last modified: 2013-04-07. |
| 18:15.06 | markybob | devdes, basically no one cares |
| 18:15.18 | binbasher1 | freq: it just contains the lines to start twm and a terminal |
| 18:15.43 | freq | binbasher1: just making sure. i'm speaking elementary i guess |
| 18:15.51 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler they know about luks so? :) i hope...thx!!! |
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| 18:15.56 | DoctorD90 | thx dontknow !! |
| 18:16.44 | wsky | binbasher1: you haven't answered still |
| 18:16.48 | wsky | did lightdm run |
| 18:16.56 | binbasher1 | wsky: I'll try that now |
| 18:17.09 | markybob | well that only took an hour |
| 18:17.28 | devdes | markybob, hmm, it's non-binary... thanks for the link |
| 18:17.29 | binbasher1 | killall twm and aptitude install lightdm eh? |
| 18:19.00 | devdes | and I didn't get an option whether to create the partition table as GPT or MBR... did I miss something? |
| 18:19.07 | freq | binbasher1: check out fluxbox |
| 18:19.42 | binbasher1 | wsky: I got to choose gdm3 or lightdm now O_o haven't seen that before, should I try gdm? |
| 18:19.49 | binbasher1 | or go with lightdm |
| 18:20.04 | wsky | go with lightdm |
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| 18:20.51 | freq | lol |
| 18:21.04 | freq | this is the hardest part. |
| 18:21.09 | freq | but then you get settled in |
| 18:21.19 | binbasher1 | right wsky I got lightdm, tried startx but boots into twm |
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| 18:21.33 | freq | binbasher1: change your .xinitrc |
| 18:21.41 | wsky | binbasher1: no no |
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| 18:22.00 | wsky | binbasher1: run systemctl start lightdm (as root) |
| 18:22.15 | freq | lol don't ever run a wm as root |
| 18:22.27 | freq | watches the mess begin |
| 18:22.31 | wsky | lightdm has to be started as root or with sude |
| 18:22.39 | binbasher1 | alright, this works wsky |
| 18:22.40 | wsky | it;s not a wm but login service |
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| 18:23.08 | freq | oh. who needs a desktop manager |
| 18:23.08 | wsky | binbasher1: cool, now try to log in to gnome (choose gnome from top right or left corner button) |
| 18:23.37 | freq | laughs at his not knowing of lightdm and thinks startx is the answer to all questions. |
| 18:24.50 | binbasher1 | eh wsky I came here to say it worked only to see it terminated itself when I got back |
| 18:24.51 | LambdaComplex | freq: people who frequently use more than one de? i guess |
| 18:24.56 | dontknow | my minimal debian xfce boots in 1 second with ssd. is it normal? lol |
| 18:25.16 | freq | dontknow: you must not use luks |
| 18:25.17 | wsky | binbasher1: how did it "terminate" itself |
| 18:25.18 | jerigondor | 1 second? after grub? |
| 18:25.34 | dontknow | freq, after entering the password |
| 18:25.43 | freq | that's really decent |
| 18:25.53 | binbasher1 | wsky: I got back and just saw a command line, tried running it again but no result |
| 18:25.54 | freq | i can say about 5 seconds for me |
| 18:26.11 | freq | i'm running an intel turbot\ |
| 18:26.14 | wsky | binbasher1: did you choose gnome in the lightdm option |
| 18:26.18 | wsky | options? |
| 18:26.20 | mtn | binbasher1: like I said before, you have video driver problems, which is why gnome does not want to run |
| 18:26.21 | binbasher1 | lol wsky I did killall lightdm and it returned |
| 18:26.26 | binbasher1 | no wsky I didn't |
| 18:26.31 | wsky | try that |
| 18:26.39 | wsky | don't killall lightdm |
| 18:26.47 | binbasher1 | wsky: it returned |
| 18:26.48 | wsky | it's not how you shut it down |
| 18:26.51 | binbasher1 | doing that |
| 18:26.55 | binbasher1 | ok, how then? |
| 18:27.00 | LambdaComplex | by stopping the service |
| 18:27.04 | binbasher1 | systemctl stop lightdm |
| 18:27.05 | freq | those desktop environments are too fluffy |
| 18:27.16 | wsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.18 | LambdaComplex | freq: what do you use? |
| 18:27.23 | freq | you wont get performance without something like an i5 or i7 |
| 18:27.24 | binbasher1 | wsky: to start it again |
| 18:27.31 | freq | LambdaComplex: a modified openbox |
| 18:27.43 | binbasher1 | mtn: do you have a solution? we don't |
| 18:28.00 | binbasher1 | ok I now know that lightdm works, wsky now what? |
| 18:28.02 | freq | i have a solution that really isnt orthodox |
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| 18:28.20 | binbasher1 | freq: I won't pour gasoline over my laptop |
| 18:28.21 | wsky | binbasher1: choose gnome, enter your username and password, hit engter |
| 18:28.29 | mtn | binbasher1: install inxi and paste the results of "inxi -Gx", without the " marks, to dpaste.com and give us the link |
| 18:28.29 | freq | binbasher1: no, it's more sane than that |
| 18:28.32 | DoctorD90 | dontknow nkuttler http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/ ;) |
| 18:28.42 | freq | mtn: i was going to suggest running smxi |
| 18:29.05 | mtn | freq: anything to get some real data on his problem |
| 18:29.11 | freq | Graphics: Card: Intel Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display |
| 18:29.12 | freq | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.13 | freq | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.13 | freq | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.14 | freq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:29.25 | binbasher1 | ^lol. |
| 18:29.27 | freq | no, don't paste it |
| 18:29.41 | freq | pastebin it |
| 18:29.43 | binbasher1 | he told me to pastebin it, silly |
| 18:29.45 | markybob | !tell freq about paste |
| 18:29.50 | dontknow | DoctorD90, nice reading |
| 18:29.51 | mtn | binbasher1: that data will help us see what you are runing and if it is the problem |
| 18:30.09 | freq | sorry abot the flood. it looks smaller in the terminal |
| 18:30.21 | freq | i guess it's anything over 3 lines? |
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| 18:31.01 | wsky | freq: you got your penalty! |
| 18:31.05 | freq | binbasher1: are you familiar with smxi |
| 18:31.17 | binbasher1 | mtn paste.debian.net/377664 |
| 18:31.30 | binbasher1 | no freq |
| 18:31.30 | freq | pastebin: help |
| 18:31.34 | DoctorD90 | yea dontknow :) guys in crypto give it to me :D so i think sharing is linux way ^_^ |
| 18:31.43 | freq | binbasher1: just a moment |
| 18:31.54 | binbasher1 | wsky: I'll try what you said now |
| 18:31.54 | dontknow | DoctorD90, tldr;Just use /dev/urandom! :p |
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| 18:33.08 | binbasher1 | wsky: gives me the same white window "oops, something has gone wrong" error, have you looked at it on google images? |
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| 18:33.16 | freq | http://smxi.org/site/install.htm |
| 18:33.21 | binbasher1 | it's silly imo, doesn't tell you anything. |
| 18:33.24 | wsky | so gnome is broken |
| 18:33.24 | mtn | binbasher1: so you are running the intel driver now, so that looks good. it was running the intel driver when it was working before, right? |
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| 18:33.43 | wsky | or your opengl system |
| 18:33.50 | freq | binbasher1: # as root, run the following command |
| 18:33.51 | freq | cd /usr/local/bin && wget -Nc smxi.org/smxi.zip && unzip smxi.zip && smxi |
| 18:33.58 | wsky | anyways, ask the other guys here, i'm outta here, tired |
| 18:34.02 | DoctorD90 | dontknow yea..ahah |
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| 18:34.15 | freq | it will kill your x session and bring you into a script that updates and install everything that you ned to have a perfectly working debian system |
| 18:34.31 | DoctorD90 | dontknow even if i still have to understand english way of sai tldr XD ...i dont know it |
| 18:34.31 | binbasher1 | mtn: I think wsky knows more about that than I do, I guess so, yeah. |
| 18:34.53 | mtn | binbasher1: maybe you removed part of gnome? you could try reinstalling gnome. |
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| 18:34.58 | binbasher1 | mtn: I have 2 graphics cards, I think I was running nouveau too |
| 18:35.00 | wsky | i just read factoids |
| 18:35.29 | mtn | binbasher1: maybe the nouveau blacklist needs to be deleted? |
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| 18:35.51 | binbasher1 | freq 1 second, getting multiple people to help me lol, |
| 18:35.58 | dontknow | DoctorD90, it means "too long, didn't read" |
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| 18:36.30 | binbasher1 | mtn: how do I check if it's blacklisted and how do I delete it? |
| 18:36.35 | binbasher1 | no idea where to find it |
| 18:36.59 | mtn | binbasher1: in a terminal: ls /etc/ modprobe.d paste the results to dpaste.com |
| 18:37.06 | freq | even though i know what i'm doing (most of the time) smxi gives me the result that i need quicker |
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| 18:38.09 | DoctorD90 | ahahah dontknow it will became my "word of life" xD aahahah thx! |
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| 18:38.22 | binbasher1 | paste.debian.net/377667 |
| 18:38.25 | binbasher1 | mtn: ^ |
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| 18:39.05 | binbasher1 | freq: Thanks, I'll try that if my current fixing procedure doesn't work :P |
| 18:39.34 | mtn | binbasher1: ok, so as you can see, there are some nvidia and nouveau files here. at least delete the nouveau one. I am not sure what the others do. they may still be the problem, but try deleting nouveau one first |
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| 18:40.32 | freq | sure |
| 18:40.44 | binbasher1 | did it mtn now what? |
| 18:41.05 | mtn | binbasher1: reboot and try to log into gnome |
| 18:41.49 | binbasher1 | mtn: ok 1 sec I'll be offline |
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| 18:42.35 | wsky | mtn: he switched back to nouveau, removing nouveau files seems like a bad idea |
| 18:43.01 | mtn | wsky: I had him remove the nouveau blacklist file. as it was, nouveau could not run |
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| 18:43.14 | wsky | ah |
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| 18:43.28 | wsky | yeah, i was out the convo, you're right |
| 18:43.46 | mtn | wsky: I suspect the other files may still be trying to run some parts of nvidia, but am not a nvidia expert. |
| 18:43.53 | wsky | breakage |
| 18:43.54 | mtn | wsky: he also has bumblebee files in there |
| 18:44.17 | wsky | i told him that i'd try using bumblebee on his system |
| 18:44.20 | mtn | wsky: did you see his link? |
| 18:44.36 | wsky | but really have no experience with optimus, i never had an optimus system |
| 18:44.45 | wsky | no, i didn't |
| 18:45.33 | mtn | wsky: http://paste.debian.net/377667 |
| 18:45.33 | jim | mtn, heya... how's the skiing? |
| 18:46.08 | wsky | mtn: are these black lists? |
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| 18:46.29 | mtn | wsky: not all of them. contents of /etc/ modprobe.d |
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| 18:49.02 | Seb_^ | jim: I'm here :) |
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| 18:49.42 | Seb_^ | jim: would it help if I reinstalled the VPS? |
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| 18:50.10 | binbasher1 | mtn: so that didn't work |
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| 18:50.24 | mtn | binbasher1: everything the same? |
| 18:50.50 | mtn | binbasher1: what does inxi -Gx say now? |
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| 18:51.42 | binbasher1 | pastebin.debian.net/377669 |
| 18:51.55 | mtn | binbasher1: bad link |
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| 18:52.59 | mtn | binbasher1: you can just paste the line with nouveau in it to the channel |
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| 18:53.33 | jim | Skullclown, do you have personal files on it? |
| 18:53.50 | binbasher1 | paste.debian.net/377669 mtn |
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| 18:54.02 | binbasher1 | not pastebin :P habits die hard |
| 18:54.24 | Skullclown | jim: no |
| 18:54.32 | Skullclown | jim: it's a throwaway machine, nothing important :) |
| 18:54.41 | mtn | binbasher1: still not running with nouveau. sorry, you need someone who can fix your nvidia setup/drivers |
| 18:55.04 | jim | then it would seem safe to do so... if you're sure of that, you could do it |
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| 18:55.57 | hey | hey |
| 18:55.59 | Skullclown | jim: alright I'm doing it |
| 18:56.05 | wsky | hey: hey |
| 18:56.27 | Skullclown | jim: think you'll be around in ~30min? |
| 18:57.01 | Guest28855 | i verified debian with gnupg's sha1sum.exe from gnupg's website is that enough to install it? |
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| 18:57.49 | Skullclown | jim: OpenVZ comes with a debian-8.1-x86_64-minimal-squid3 template, think I should try to install that one? |
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| 18:58.15 | Skullclown | or go with debian-8.1-x86_64 ? |
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| 18:59.29 | Guest28855 | ? |
| 19:00.13 | mtn | Guest28855: I have installed debian many times and I have never verified the iso before installing |
| 19:00.27 | Guest28855 | hm |
| 19:00.37 | jim | Skullclown, yeah, I think so |
| 19:00.49 | Guest28855 | thanks |
| 19:01.30 | Skullclown | jim: I went with the regular debian-8.1-x86_64 because even if it would come with squid3 preinstalled, without --enable-arp-acl that would be useless |
| 19:02.12 | jim | can you just boot a netinstall image and install that? |
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| 19:02.41 | Skullclown | I don't have physical access to the machine, it's just a remote VPS |
| 19:02.53 | Skullclown | so besides the options I mentioned, not much I can do when it comes to installing an OS :) |
| 19:02.57 | Guest28855 | so verifying with sha1sum.exe is enough i guess? ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/ |
| 19:03.02 | Guest28855 | to install debian |
| 19:03.24 | jim | do you nave a local machine you could try it with? (you run debian at home?) |
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| 19:03.53 | Skullclown | jim: I don't, Windows 10 |
| 19:04.12 | jim | ohh, you just run debian on your remote |
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| 19:04.24 | jim | hmm |
| 19:04.32 | binbasher1 | yes Guest28855 |
| 19:04.59 | jim | Skullclown, you wouldn't have a spare drive laying around? |
| 19:05.04 | Guest28855 | thanks man |
| 19:05.11 | Guest28855 | thanks all |
| 19:05.13 | binbasher1 | mtn: can you help me run it on nouveau? nvidia never seemed to work |
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| 19:05.43 | mtn | binbasher1: sorry, I can't. I don't know enough to know what you changed and how to undo it. |
| 19:05.58 | Guest28855 | i downloaded the cd iso , can i chose the desktop gui in the instalation |
| 19:06.20 | binbasher1 | mtn: should reinstalling nouveau and purging nvidia work though? |
| 19:06.23 | jim | Skullclown, anyway, if not, can you install on the remote, something fairly plain? |
| 19:06.36 | binbasher1 | seems the most logical way |
| 19:07.02 | mtn | binbasher1: no, since you have lots of files left over in that folder we looked at. |
| 19:07.03 | Skullclown | jim: it's installed, it's back up |
| 19:07.14 | jim | ok |
| 19:07.32 | jim | what is it you installed? |
| 19:07.44 | Skullclown | debian-8.1-x86_64 |
| 19:08.25 | jim | ok, |
| 19:08.27 | binbasher1 | mtn pretty pleaaaaase ;3 |
| 19:08.40 | Skullclown | jim: OK to run apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 19:09.00 | jim | wait, let's run it as it is for the moment |
| 19:09.03 | jim | just to see |
| 19:09.04 | Skullclown | alright |
| 19:09.21 | Skullclown | do I try to build from apt-get source again? (http://www.panticz.de/Squid-Compile-with-SSL-support-under-Debian-Jessie) |
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| 19:09.34 | jim | is there a squid3 on it? (I guess, shouldn't be) |
| 19:09.41 | Skullclown | nope |
| 19:09.51 | Skullclown | -bash: squid3: command not found |
| 19:10.08 | binbasher1 | mtn which folder was it again? |
| 19:10.20 | jim | ok, so first, apt-get build-dep squid3 |
| 19:10.21 | mtn | binbasher1: /etc/modprobe.d |
| 19:10.33 | jim | that go ok? |
| 19:10.39 | Skullclown | jim: no source URLs in sources.list |
| 19:11.02 | jim | ok, I have the sources.list right here |
| 19:11.22 | markybob | Skullclown, you're using jessie? your sources should be this https://paste.debian.net/plain/377542 |
| 19:11.26 | jim | http://pastebin.com/HPp1Wqag |
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| 19:11.38 | Skullclown | currently, it's this: http://pastebin.com/qR4QX2F2 |
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| 19:11.47 | Skullclown | so jim, I assume I can copy over markybob's ? |
| 19:12.05 | markybob | he better say yes :P |
| 19:12.16 | Skullclown | :P |
| 19:12.39 | jim | what's that httpredir thing? |
| 19:12.52 | markybob | !sources.list |
| 19:12.53 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:13.08 | markybob | it's a geo location thing. finds the closest mirror |
| 19:13.53 | jim | Skullclown, yeah, I would think either would work |
| 19:14.04 | Skullclown | alright, updating |
| 19:14.50 | Skullclown | jim: apt-get build-dep squid3 is running fine |
| 19:15.06 | jim | markybob, as you may know already, he's trying to build squid3 |
| 19:15.42 | markybob | jim, yeah i saw it earlier and told him i didn't know enough about his error to be really helpful. i can help with sources.list though :P |
| 19:15.49 | Snakes | I am using debian 7 minimal (I don't normally use minimal but it's all this host offers) there is no /var/www would that imply that there is no apache or what would I need to do so I can have a /var/www and put files in it I can access from web browser |
| 19:16.02 | jim | Skullclown, ok, first, try building the squid3 package without altering debian rules just to see if you can |
| 19:16.22 | Skullclown | jim: alright, is it OK to use these exact steps like before? http://www.panticz.de/Squid-Compile-with-SSL-support-under-Debian-Jessie |
| 19:16.25 | Skullclown | but without editing the ruels? |
| 19:16.26 | Skullclown | rules * |
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| 19:16.36 | jim | sec |
| 19:17.16 | Skullclown | and without the logrotate steps and all that |
| 19:17.26 | Skullclown | just up to: > debuild -us -uc |
| 19:17.48 | jim | yeah, it shoudl work just to build it (hopefully) |
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| 19:19.07 | Skullclown | I've got to admit, in all the years I've had to do some occassional linux server setups, I've never had this much trouble with one package |
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| 19:20.04 | Skullclown | and that includes one guy that accidentally updated all of his packages to testing and had to downgrade back to make stuff work again |
| 19:20.25 | jim | yeah, it shouldn't be this bad |
| 19:20.27 | Skullclown | (well, "downgrade" asap for 2 or 3 days so the clients don't have downtime, then fix it for real in the weekend) |
| 19:20.29 | binbasher1 | could anyone with a working system with nouveau tell me the contents of /etc/modprobe.d please? |
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| 19:21.23 | binbasher1 | 2. ip^ |
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| 19:24.16 | jim | Skullclown, what's it doing now? |
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| 19:24.53 | Skullclown | jim: building |
| 19:24.59 | jim | ok |
| 19:25.02 | Skullclown | it's a small little VPS though, so it takes a bit |
| 19:25.59 | binbasher1 | could anyone please post the output of ls /etc/modprobe.d/ if you use nouveau, thanks |
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| 19:36.28 | jim | Skullclown, still chugging? |
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| 19:36.57 | Skullclown | jim: it's the little VPS that could.... but very slowly. |
| 19:37.24 | lilibox | hi |
| 19:37.29 | wsky | binbasher1: what you should actually do is use --purge |
| 19:37.54 | wsky | but i had no dea how it's solved in debian before |
| 19:38.22 | lilibox | i would like to know if is possible to run 2 different application via Xvbf and x11vnc? |
| 19:38.27 | wsky | but yeah, you could install the nvidia driver then --purge autoremove it |
| 19:38.32 | lilibox | +s |
| 19:38.33 | wsky | but it's up to you |
| 19:38.59 | wsky | i really have to sleep, gonna hop in tomorrow |
| 19:39.02 | wsky | probably |
| 19:39.40 | lilibox | i would like to have access at firefox and other application via vncclient remotely, i figured out how to access firefox, no luck with other app :( |
| 19:40.06 | jim | Skullclown, on the next build, can you just apply the mac addr filter support change and see if that flies? do you know if that particular change would require additional build deps? |
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| 19:41.11 | lilibox | now my shell looks like this: http://pastebin.com/C1Hp4Bdf |
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| 19:43.13 | Skullclown | jim: so euh, it finished building |
| 19:43.19 | Skullclown | no errors it seems |
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| 19:45.03 | Skullclown | jim: should I edit the rules and add it to try? |
| 19:45.13 | jim | Skullclown, ok (you probably wouldn't install it but) you should find one or more .debs in .. |
| 19:45.42 | Skullclown | yup found them |
| 19:46.34 | jim | yeah, ok, great... first success... so, yeah, try altering the debian/rules, and build again |
| 19:46.51 | jim | (you may wish to do lunch meanwhile) |
| 19:47.14 | Skullclown | yup, I'm going to run to the store while it builds :P |
| 19:47.52 | jim | ok... do you also need the openssl thing as per those instructions? |
| 19:47.56 | Skullclown | nope |
| 19:48.02 | Skullclown | I only added --enable-arp-acl |
| 19:48.15 | Skullclown | can I run the build again with "debuild -us -uc"? |
| 19:48.40 | jim | ok, then if that turns out successful, you could probably install/use that squid3 |
| 19:48.55 | Skullclown | alright, it's running now |
| 19:48.58 | jim | did it give you one .deb? |
| 19:49.03 | Skullclown | no, 6 |
| 19:49.15 | Skullclown | squid3 client, squid3 common, squid3, etc. |
| 19:49.30 | jim | you might want to delete them, or move them into a dir |
| 19:49.37 | Skullclown | yup I moved them :) |
| 19:49.50 | Skullclown | build with edited rules is running now |
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| 19:49.57 | jim | ok, cool |
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| 19:50.09 | jim | see you when you get back from store |
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| 19:50.18 | Skullclown | see you in a bit |
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| 19:51.05 | Che-Anarch | I'm trying to get my `iwlwifi` drivers working and during the `sudo make install` process I get: 'You may or may not need to update your initramfs...' does it mean I have to grub-update or something? |
| 19:51.20 | jhutchins | lilibox: vnc should give you a regular desktop. |
| 19:52.05 | jhutchins | lilibox: It's not clear what you're actually trying to do. |
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| 19:53.34 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: why are you doing that? |
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| 19:58.33 | Che-Anarch | nevyn my wifi does not work. Its a `Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev 3a)` - but no sign of the adaptor anywhere :-( |
| 19:58.50 | Snakes | I have debian 7 minimal is there a command or a bash script that I can use to change my version to one that contains common packages. My host doesn't offer any other versions other than minimal |
| 19:59.34 | lilibox | jhutchins: i don't have experience with this, i just found some page with this script and i just a little bit adapted it |
| 20:00.00 | lilibox | can you point me at proper materials or the best are you willing to help me? |
| 20:00.27 | jim | Snakes, that should be enough to install whatever packages you want... and, you should be able to upgrade if you want |
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| 20:01.10 | jeep | Snakes: edit your /etc/apt/sources.lst if you need a different mirror |
| 20:01.46 | lilibox | i am running jessie in text mode, simple ATOM mainboard without graphic, and I want remotely access my server and via vnc connect to app1 or app2 where both are in graphic mode |
| 20:01.47 | Snakes | well whenever I have used debian before I have had been able to do things like put a file in/var/www and itis instantly accessible on the web, but this version I don't even have a /var/www folder. I'm not very good with sys admin stuff so not sure how difficult something like this would be to set up |
| 20:01.59 | jim | Snakes, you should bring your debian 7 as uptodate as possbile before you go further tho |
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| 20:02.19 | Snakes | apt-get update apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:02.23 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: !iwl8260 |
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| 20:02.30 | jim | update first |
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| 20:02.54 | jim | see if you can first |
| 20:03.08 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: install iwlwifi-firmware |
| 20:03.13 | Snakes | okay apt-get update completed successfully |
| 20:03.24 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: rebuilding the drivers is not the answer |
| 20:03.29 | Snakes | would it be okay to proceed with apt-get upgrade now? |
| 20:03.39 | jim | Snakes, hold on |
| 20:03.42 | Snakes | okies |
| 20:04.07 | jim | Snakes, could you first pastebin your sources.list (it's in /etc/apt) |
| 20:04.42 | Che-Anarch | nevyn I did - however it complain during boot: http://paste.debian.net/377681/ |
| 20:04.54 | jim | Snakes, also, what's your exact goal right now? |
| 20:05.27 | Snakes | sources.list.d I have webupd8team-java.list and that's it |
| 20:05.44 | Snakes | well mainly I want the /var/www working |
| 20:05.46 | jim | you don't have a sources.list? |
| 20:06.03 | markybob | Snakes, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:06.03 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: and you installed the firmware? |
| 20:06.08 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: using apt? |
| 20:06.16 | Snakes | but I am also happy togo down the route of using a version of debian with general packages |
| 20:06.20 | nevyn | (which automatically rebuilt the required initrd? |
| 20:06.32 | Snakes | deb http://mirror-eu.oneandone.net/linux/distributions/debian/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 20:06.32 | Snakes | deb http://mirror-eu.oneandone.net/linux/distributions/debian/debian-security wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:06.42 | Snakes | thats all I have in sources.list outside of that nothing really |
| 20:06.56 | Snakes | trusted.gpg is all |
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| 20:07.19 | Che-Anarch | nevyn yes I did so using `apt`- but didnt have any success with that - thus my current apptempt to get it going - cause I thought perhaps the device is too recent? |
| 20:07.43 | nevyn | did the firmware file get installed? |
| 20:07.50 | nevyn | dpkg -l iwlwifi-firmware |
| 20:07.51 | dpkg | ii iwlwifi-firmware 1.5-12.3 nevyn's private porn collection |
| 20:07.55 | nevyn | nice |
| 20:08.05 | jim | ok, without editing that, run: apt-get -d dist-upgrade |
| 20:08.14 | nevyn | dpkg -L iwlwifi-firmware |
| 20:08.14 | dpkg | ii iwlwifi-firmware 2.9-14.3 nevyn's private gamp collection |
| 20:08.36 | jim | what's gamp? |
| 20:08.38 | Snakes | Is that likely to overwrite anything I have on the server? I have created a user and installed some stuff if I am likely to overwrite then I will just back that up first |
| 20:08.46 | Che-Anarch | nevyn oh you are right - 'dpkg -l iwlwifi-firmware' it doesnt seem to have been installed! - how can I retry ? - shall I `sudo apt-get pruge iwlwifi-firmware` ? |
| 20:09.07 | jim | no, it will just bring you up to date with debian 7 |
| 20:09.08 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: apt-get install iwlwifi-firmware |
| 20:09.19 | jim | or do nothing if you already are |
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| 20:09.34 | Che-Anarch | nevyn ` Unable to locate package iwlwifi-firmware` |
| 20:09.44 | Snakes | jim: I got this response Download complete and in download only mode |
| 20:09.46 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: it's in non-free |
| 20:09.55 | markybob | Che-Anarch, add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get update |
| 20:10.00 | Snakes | It downloaded some sutff |
| 20:10.07 | jim | Snakes, it did? |
| 20:10.09 | Snakes | 2708kBof stuff |
| 20:10.15 | Snakes | 2708kB of stuff |
| 20:10.21 | jim | ok, run it again without the -d |
| 20:10.42 | Che-Anarch | But I have non-free: http://paste.debian.net/377682/ |
| 20:10.45 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: more specifically find the line that ends jessie main and add non-free to the end |
| 20:10.54 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: did you update? |
| 20:11.09 | Snakes | jim: That's currently doing... |
| 20:11.15 | Snakes | completed |
| 20:11.24 | nevyn | !iwlwifi |
| 20:11.24 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
| 20:11.28 | Che-Anarch | nevyn yes - I did so again but still the same. |
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| 20:11.37 | jim | ok, your debian 7 is now uptodate |
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| 20:11.56 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: my bad |
| 20:12.02 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:12.07 | jim | you can stay on wheezy (debian 7) or go to 8, it's up to you |
| 20:12.39 | nevyn | not iwlwifi-firmware (I wish policy would specify this (along with -utils-tools-adm bs too) |
| 20:12.46 | jim | 8 is presently considered the latest stable |
| 20:12.53 | Snakes | I am basically mainly using this VPS for IRC. What would you recommendation be? My IRC will log channels to /var/www which would then be accessinle via webbrowser |
| 20:13.04 | Che-Anarch | nevyn seems to be there? http://paste.debian.net/377683/ |
| 20:13.07 | Snakes | *accessed via |
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| 20:13.25 | Snakes | also will an upgrade to 8 overwrite what I have installed? |
| 20:14.13 | jim | it might replace what you installed with newer versions |
| 20:14.13 | Snakes | I should maybe stay on 7 come to think of it as that's what my host offers (they don't offer 8) |
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| 20:14.39 | jim | is this a remote? |
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| 20:14.54 | Snakes | I've installed some IRC software and services and configured them |
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| 20:14.57 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: but you're run install SIGH. |
| 20:14.59 | Snakes | a remote? |
| 20:15.11 | jim | is the machine at your house? |
| 20:15.14 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: you're probably broken it by trying to install the upstream drivers |
| 20:15.22 | Snakes | no it's hosted with 1and1.co.uk |
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| 20:15.45 | Che-Anarch | nevyn well it was broken initially since it wasnt working thus my adventure here :-) |
| 20:15.48 | jim | ok, it might be iffy to replace (say) the kernel, on such a setup |
| 20:16.00 | Che-Anarch | I'm just trying things to get it up - at a loss what to do. |
| 20:16.05 | Snakes | Using virtuozzo virtualisation |
| 20:16.06 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: debian patches the firmware into seperate packages |
| 20:16.17 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: so if you missed installing the firmware |
| 20:16.34 | Snakes | so yeah I don't really wana play with anything kernel related lol |
| 20:16.36 | nevyn | overwrote the kernel module blah |
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| 20:16.42 | Che-Anarch | nevyn well can I just trying re-install patched firmwares - as per original? |
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| 20:16.59 | jim | Snakes, you could try installing apache (a web server, it's probably configured to serve files in /var/www or /var/www/html) |
| 20:17.03 | Che-Anarch | as in to revert to desired order. |
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| 20:17.38 | jim | I think the package name is apache2 |
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| 20:18.04 | Snakes | okies thanks I'll give it a go |
| 20:18.12 | jhutchins | lilibox: VNC is usually used to replicate a local display on a remote terminal. |
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| 20:18.40 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: I'd uninstall the fromsource build (if you can workout how) or re-install and do it correctly. |
| 20:18.43 | jim | then, browsing to http://(your remote)/ should show you a page (maybe says "it works") |
| 20:18.51 | lilibox | yeah, but what is wrong with my script |
| 20:18.52 | jhutchins | lilibox: it usually relies on having local graphics capability. |
| 20:19.11 | lilibox | my server has no gfx |
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| 20:19.19 | jhutchins | lilibox: On the other hand you can run X applications over ssh and display them remotely. |
| 20:19.21 | lilibox | i used Xvfb for fake ogl |
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| 20:19.44 | jhutchins | lilibox: I have no idea what's wrong with your script. |
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| 20:20.15 | jhutchins | lilibox: If you enable X forwarding over SSH you can launch most applications and they will display remotely. |
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| 20:21.01 | jhutchins | lilibox: Framebuffers have notoriously poor performance. |
| 20:21.10 | lilibox | yes, but i am trying figure how to have access at 2 at same time |
| 20:21.32 | nevyn | lilibox: Xvfb probably isn't what you want |
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| 20:21.48 | nevyn | lilibox: there should be a dedicated vnc xserver |
| 20:21.54 | nevyn | install that on the server |
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| 20:22.26 | lilibox | performance is not problem, i need just control apps only, click from time to time only |
| 20:23.11 | Snakes | Fantastic thanks jim I have that it works page and /var/www thanks so much |
| 20:23.32 | lilibox | ok, i will google a little bit xserver, thank you guys for help till now and i am sure i will be back in a while :) |
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| 20:24.24 | jim | Snakes, is there an index.html file in /var/www? |
| 20:24.35 | Snakes | There is yeah |
| 20:24.39 | nevyn | lilibox: umm don't do that. |
| 20:24.47 | nevyn | you'll end up confused. |
| 20:24.53 | jim | ok, are the files you want to serve in there too? |
| 20:25.17 | Snakes | now I will just add my user to www-data group and chmod and chown the folders so my user can write it's logs to there |
| 20:25.39 | jim | ok ok, so they're not there yet |
| 20:25.42 | Snakes | nah not yet I need to do that first ^ but I can change the index.html or create a new folder and check that works if you want me to? |
| 20:26.04 | nevyn | lilibox: if you need the apps to keep running when you're not looking at them then you need a vnc local X server if you only need to run the apps when you're connected X forwarding over ssh would be an alternative |
| 20:26.18 | lilibox | ok, i am back, i am not sure if i do the right direction |
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| 20:27.03 | nevyn | lilibox: oh? |
| 20:27.13 | jim | if you're handy with the apache web server, you're good... look in /etc/apache2 for the configs,,, you can ask about them here or on #httpd or look at http://apache.org |
| 20:27.45 | lilibox | well, i kept stuck at centos machine where is no internet, and i use vnc client to connect to this debian running firefox |
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| 20:28.44 | lilibox | but now, i must use another app at the same time, i guessed i will type vnc xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1 and connect to other app |
| 20:29.12 | lilibox | vnc xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:0 should be old good firefox |
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| 20:29.46 | Snakes | jim: I would only need to put files and folders in /var/www will only be 1 site do I still need to configure the configs if it's working? |
| 20:30.15 | lilibox | xserver seems for me like i am trying run graphics interface on host machine, isn't it? |
| 20:30.51 | jim | probably not |
| 20:31.07 | Snakes | Cool thanks for your time and help jim much appreciated |
| 20:31.59 | jim | if it works the way you want it to already, you're good... and, since you're running apache2, I thought you might appreciate some pointers to docs and help |
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| 20:34.02 | Snakes | Appreciated jim I'm hoping it will all be okay I've never normally had to modify the configs but like I said normally whenI get debian on a server apache is all done already so not sure if that would already have been configured |
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| 20:37.32 | jim | Snakes, welcome... so, when apache just works, it's pretty solid... when you have to add configuration, you might need some help or info for that |
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| 20:39.33 | tharkun | I have this ir probe for a Polar HR monitor. Is there something in Debian that interacts with it? |
| 20:39.45 | jhutchins | nevyn: lilibox does not have local graphics. |
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| 20:40.06 | Snakes | yeah thank you I just added a directory and a some files and they loaded I'm not gona be doing anything complex on there just htaccess password protected directory/files so I may just need to enable htaccess and htpasswd and hopefully that should be it |
| 20:40.14 | jim | Snakes, one thing, sometimes channels you go to might be a bit sensitive about logging their info, so you might also want to arrange to protect the logs from being read with a password |
| 20:40.29 | jhutchins | lilibox: You would have to be running a desktop environment instead of just firefox, and forwarding that desktop over vnc. |
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| 20:40.59 | Snakes | yeah it will be htpasswd protected it's my own IRC network which clearly states on the website and in the MOTD when they connect that we long all channel activity |
| 20:41.06 | jim | Snakes, there's a name for that, they call it "public logging" |
| 20:41.16 | tharkun | Snakes: Consult the network policy regarding logging. On some networks included freenode is cause of k-line and banning |
| 20:41.27 | jhutchins | lilibox: WHich I suppose you could do the way you're forwarding firefox now, but for forwaring multiple apps it might be easier to use X forwarding. |
| 20:41.31 | Snakes | tharkun it's my own IRC network |
| 20:41.31 | jim | if you protect it with a password, it's not public any more |
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| 20:42.00 | tharkun | Snakes: Then make the policy explicit so you do not get nasty surprises later. |
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| 20:42.26 | Snakes | tharkun: It's on our website and in our MOTD |
| 20:42.46 | jim | Snakes, right, then obviously it's you and maybe also people who are there with you, that set that policy |
| 20:43.16 | lilibox | jhutchins: hmm |
| 20:43.32 | FSX | Hi, my ~/.profile isn't read when I log in to a Gnome on Wayland session. I saw a bug report on gnome.org, but they don't have a solution yet. |
| 20:43.46 | FSX | Someone here got the same problem? |
| 20:43.56 | jim | what shell? |
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| 20:44.18 | FSX | jim: Zsh |
| 20:44.21 | binbasher1 | can anyone help me with installing nouveau and getting rid of nvidia entirely? |
| 20:44.54 | jim | you'll want to read its man page, maybe it's in the FILES section, on what file is read under what circumstance |
| 20:45.24 | nevyn | jhutchins: not required |
| 20:45.31 | lilibox | jhutchins: which environment do you recomende? i use that debian server with atom cpu for local home cinema and i am on edge with power during video streraming, i don't want end with jittering screen during previewing |
| 20:45.33 | binbasher1 | paste.debian.net/377669 I think this is my /etc/modprobe.d output |
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| 20:45.55 | FSX | jim: It works. When I start a terminal I see all my env vars. But when I start an application from the Gnome menu, that application doesn't see my env vars. |
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| 20:47.00 | jim | hmm, I don't know if env vars set in .profile would get copied into apps |
| 20:48.18 | FSX | It does when I choose "System default" in GDM (login), but not when I choose "Gnome on Wayland". |
| 20:48.57 | petan | hello, I upgraded to 8 and now web server broke, basically .htaccess files are no longer working (getting not allowed bla blab) for all of them. I found somehwere that I need to add Allowoverride ALL |
| 20:48.59 | petan | to my config file |
| 20:49.14 | petan | but when I do that, I can't even start apache it says "Allowoverride not allowed here" |
| 20:49.15 | petan | in logs |
| 20:50.22 | babilen | petan: You might want to read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat and http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html (linked therein) |
| 20:50.39 | Skullclown | jim: back from eating, it all works :) strangely enough |
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| 20:54.55 | petan | babilen: I have access_compat module but I am getting <IfModule not allowed here |
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| 20:55.28 | babilen | petan: The document mentions "htaccess files aren't being processed - Check for an appropriate AllowOverride directive; the default changed to None in 2.4. |
| 20:56.15 | petan | babilen: but there is no AllowOverride defined anywhere in config files, and if I append it to server config files in /etc it tell me "AllowOverride not allowed here" |
| 20:56.21 | babilen | Also note that it is not "Allowoverride" but "AllowOverride" in <Directory> contexts |
| 20:56.24 | petan | so where am I supposed to put it to? |
| 20:57.29 | babilen | In the respective <Directory> block |
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| 20:58.40 | petan | babilen: I don't have any directory blocks, should I create some? |
| 20:59.19 | babilen | petan: I don't know :) |
| 20:59.47 | petan | I found a directory block in ./apache2.conf.dpkg-dist is that file even loaded? |
| 21:00.23 | babilen | No, files of interest would be found in sites-available |
| 21:01.42 | petan | hm, I copy pasted the definition from there and it started working |
| 21:01.44 | petan | weird |
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| 21:02.15 | jim | Skullclown, great :) probably good thing we spent the time unraveling this... we went from a known good build, to a sortof experimental setting change that turned out to work for you... |
| 21:03.15 | petan | btw I am wondering, why does debian display output of "free" in different way than centos? I like the debian way, but wondering why is that. Aren't both distros use same GNU coreutils? |
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| 21:03.44 | petan | actually even gentoo display it same as centos |
| 21:03.56 | petan | it's just debian and its derivatives that show this kind of free |
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| 21:04.17 | jim | petan, howbout free --version |
| 21:04.23 | jim | on both |
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| 21:05.03 | MrElendig | oh hai, I'm from the internet, could one of you gentlemen check if you have a binary named `arch` in your path? |
| 21:05.13 | petan | that's not it, centos uses older than debian. On debian I see free from procps-ng 3.3.9 on gentoo free from procps-ng 3.3.10 |
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| 21:05.19 | petan | centos is older and gentoo is newer |
| 21:05.26 | petan | both centos and gentoo show the same output |
| 21:05.28 | petan | debian show different |
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| 21:05.57 | petan | it's some gnu/linux mystery :P |
| 21:06.21 | babilen | petan: What did you copy from where to where exactly? |
| 21:06.27 | jrabbit | does debian ship the SPI root cert? |
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| 21:06.42 | petan | babilen: I copied the Directory block from that dist file to real config file |
| 21:06.43 | petemc | MrElendig: yes, part of coreutils package |
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| 21:07.05 | hey | how do i install debian from USB |
| 21:07.12 | babilen | petan: Okay, sounds as if you were missing it before and that the AllowOverride directive wasn't taking effect/was missing |
| 21:07.18 | babilen | petan: Great that you sorted it out |
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| 21:07.23 | Guest99703 | how do i install debian from usb |
| 21:07.25 | petan | babilen: on old apache it worked fine |
| 21:07.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell Guest99703 -about usb install |
| 21:07.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Guest99703 -about firmware image |
| 21:07.39 | petan | Guest99703: use unetbootin or tuxloader |
| 21:07.41 | Elronnd | Guest99703: do you have debian on a usb right now? |
| 21:07.51 | Guest99703 | i downloaded iso and verified it |
| 21:08.01 | Guest99703 | and its on usb but it didnt work |
| 21:08.10 | Guest99703 | guess i have to use winrar? |
| 21:08.28 | babilen | NO, do *not* use unetbootin. It breaks out installers and all you have to do is to copy the image to the USB stick (something along the lines of "cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" assuming the usb is /dev/sdb) |
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| 21:08.38 | petan | er. tuxboot |
| 21:08.52 | petan | babilen: what about tuxboot I think that works fine |
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| 21:09.18 | babilen | I have no idea, but it is not necessary. One really only has to copy it to the USB stick. No fancy tools are needed, cp will suffice. |
| 21:09.19 | Guest99703 | i used the motherboard bios to boot from usb |
| 21:09.35 | Guest99703 | but it said invalid system disk |
| 21:09.43 | babilen | Guest99703: Which image did you download and how did you write it? What is the actual problem you encountered? |
| 21:09.44 | petan | babilen: lol that might work if you are already on linux, but you can hardly cp .iso to /dev/sdb on windows, I don't even think you can do that on mac |
| 21:09.57 | babilen | petan: Well, on Windows you'd use win32imager |
| 21:10.06 | Guest99703 | amd64 |
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| 21:10.22 | petan | Guest99703: what OS you have? |
| 21:10.22 | babilen | +disk |
| 21:10.27 | Guest99703 | do i have to extract the files from the iso file ? |
| 21:10.28 | Guest99703 | windows |
| 21:10.29 | petan | Guest99703: windows / mac? |
| 21:10.32 | Zzeiss | (you can do it on a Mac. :) ) |
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| 21:10.44 | babilen | Guest99703: Okay, did you read the private message our bot (dpkg) sent you earlier? |
| 21:10.52 | petan | Guest99703: ok then you download that win32imager thing, or tuxboot :P |
| 21:11.06 | babilen | http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ is the tool in question |
| 21:11.11 | petan | Guest99703: you can use that to install iso on flash drive and thene it will boot |
| 21:11.17 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 21:11.17 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 21:11.26 | babilen | Guest99703: Did you read that earlier ^^^ ? |
| 21:11.52 | Guest99703 | yeah im reading now babilen |
| 21:11.52 | Che-Anarch | I made a bit more of a stride - now my `wifi` adaptor shows in `gnome` and & `sudo ifconfig` but `dmseg` is showing me another warning for a missing .ini file? http://paste.debian.net/377696/ |
| 21:12.07 | babilen | Guest99703: Did you see the other private message our bot sent you ? |
| 21:12.12 | Guest99703 | thanks all |
| 21:12.15 | Guest99703 | im reading |
| 21:12.19 | petan | btw babilen I used to use unetbootin in past to install debian and it worked fine can you elaborate on break the installer |
| 21:12.20 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: did you uninstall the fromsource drivers? |
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| 21:12.32 | petan | what it breaks? |
| 21:12.59 | Che-Anarch | nevyn you mean something like `make uninstall` from the path of the cloned drivers? |
| 21:13.06 | nevyn | yeah |
| 21:13.18 | nevyn | or re-install the system (if there's not too much invested in it |
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| 21:13.40 | babilen | petan: It causes a *lot* of problems in particular during the grub installation part of the installation on often results in unbootable systems. Sometimes that "CD" cannot be found/mounted and whatnot. It simply isn't necessary and tries to be smart, but just changes things that have been designed in a very specific way. |
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| 21:16.36 | Guest99703 | win32diskimager is beta |
| 21:16.52 | Guest99703 | isnt there a stable version |
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| 21:18.28 | jrabbit | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=796208 ffs |
| 21:18.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/796208 in ca-certificates (closed): «ca-certificates: removal of SPI CA»; severity: important; opened: 2015-08-20; last modified: 2016-01-18. |
| 21:19.07 | Che-Anarch | nevyn I guess re-install it is - cause there is no recipe for target 'uninstall' :-( |
| 21:19.25 | Che-Anarch | nevyn so can I just save the .ucode files and where it asks me about firmware duing load use those? |
| 21:19.44 | nevyn | you could or just save the firmware-iwlwifi package |
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| 21:19.56 | Che-Anarch | nevyn how do you mean save? |
| 21:20.19 | Che-Anarch | I download livecd ? and go through install process? |
| 21:20.28 | Che-Anarch | or no adjust livecd somehow? |
| 21:20.32 | nevyn | cp /var/cache/apt/archive/... firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:20.50 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: don't use a livecd use an installer that includes non-free firmware |
| 21:20.53 | chizbang | Why cant I download encryptfs-utils on my Jessie machine? |
| 21:20.59 | jim | Che-Anarch, maybe a netinstall image is possible too |
| 21:20.59 | nevyn | !non-free installer |
| 21:21.08 | nevyn | !netinst |
| 21:21.09 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 21:21.45 | nullbites | I opted in to the base install and just getting what I need with apt, arch linux rubbed off on me. |
| 21:22.21 | chizbang | Ive tried using the repos mentioned on nthe packges page |
| 21:22.25 | chizbang | but to no avail... |
| 21:22.29 | chizbang | clear |
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| 21:23.14 | Che-Anarch | nevyn thanks... so the `.deb` files in apt cache are al lI need? |
| 21:23.26 | MrElendig | petan: fun, that explains why silly valve is still using it |
| 21:23.49 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: so if you're installing on a wired network. then you can just do the install then install the firmware package and everything should be fine |
| 21:23.52 | petan | MrElendig: what |
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| 21:23.53 | little | Hey |
| 21:23.58 | chizbang | oh its ecryptfs lol |
| 21:24.00 | petan | MrElendig: I am quite lost on what you respond to |
| 21:24.03 | chizbang | jesus -_- |
| 21:24.11 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: if you want to do the install over wireless you need to jump through a bunch of hoops |
| 21:25.24 | MrElendig | petan: sorry, tabfail |
| 21:25.52 | Che-Anarch | nevyn I seemed to have had most success when I downlaoded the ucode firmware files manually & put them in /lib/firmware - but then after it was complaining about that `.ini` file - anyway gone redo my steps again |
| 21:26.03 | Che-Anarch | From intels own site |
| 21:26.07 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: no. |
| 21:26.12 | nevyn | don't do that. |
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| 21:27.21 | Che-Anarch | nevyn but the files were missing / not present so what it was complaining about in terms of a ucode20 seemed valid there were all sort of `iwlwifi` files in `/lib/firmware` but not what it was complaing about... anyway lets see a fresh install will help - i just need wifi working |
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| 21:28.05 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: debian isn't the upstream vendor |
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| 21:28.32 | nevyn | following upstream instructions results in fragile systems that break on upgrade. |
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| 21:38.24 | awal1 | Any one uses qingy + systemd? I dont find a Debian official "tutorial" in the web |
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| 21:41.16 | ProfessorKaos64 | how can I specify 2 options side by side with my man page? I tried ".IP -s .IP --skip-steam-check" but no luck |
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| 21:47.14 | Snakes | I've run an ioping can somebody pleasetell me if this result is good7 requests completed in 6863.5 ms, 7361 iops, 28.8 mb/s |
| 21:47.14 | Snakes | min/avg/max/mdev = 0.1/0.1/0.2/0.0 ms and more specifically whether 7361 iops is good or bad, I'm assuming it's good? |
| 21:47.31 | Che-Anarch | nevyn do you recommend any other arch? - I'm just at a loss what to try if it on re-installing firmware-iwlwifi the adaptor still doesnt work? |
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| 21:52.07 | nevyn | arch? |
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| 21:52.34 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: so.. there are a a few things that went wrong with your recent experience |
| 21:52.42 | nevyn | probably involving a combination of factors |
| 21:52.59 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: I'm pretty sure something wierd happened with initrd creation |
| 21:53.37 | nevyn | Che-Anarch: but. the path is so messy that it's not obvious which steps helped and which were just windmill tilting |
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| 22:05.47 | awal1 | Where I can follow the eventual progress in making 'qingy' integration with systemd (unit service) under debian? |
| 22:06.20 | awal1 | eventual work in progress ^ |
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| 22:14.45 | roborob | how do i compile node.js on one system and copy/install it manually to another? |
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| 22:18.15 | roborob | which channel would be good for compile/install questions? |
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| 22:22.04 | roborob | any linux pros on? which channel would be good for compile/install questions? |
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| 22:22.34 | nevyn | compile/instlal what? |
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| 22:23.07 | roborob | i compiled node.js sucessfully on one system but want to install/run it on another |
| 22:23.08 | Che-Anarch | nevyn sorry I ment distro... but indeed you are right I'll see where I land with new install via netinst - I'm actually using a usb device for wired connectivity since none of my adaptors work. |
| 22:23.32 | nevyn | roborob: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions |
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| 22:24.15 | Che-Anarch | Its been a mission installing on this device so far because of pcie and issue with grub not install so I had to chroot to grub-install & update it never does that during install process I dont know why |
| 22:24.17 | roborob | i compiled it myself, i.e. did not/do not want to use a package manager |
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| 22:24.29 | nevyn | roborob: build a package |
| 22:24.45 | nevyn | packages are how binaries are transported between machines |
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| 22:25.12 | nevyn | if you don't want to do that. just copy the built tree over and re-run make install |
| 22:25.26 | nevyn | but that's crazy and if you ever work with me I'd walk you for it. |
| 22:25.37 | roborob | the target is a super minimal system, no compiler and no package manager |
| 22:25.55 | nevyn | roborob: how do you install software on it? |
| 22:26.19 | roborob | that is the question isn't it |
| 22:26.32 | nevyn | roborob: this is way to rube goldberg at this point for me |
| 22:26.51 | nevyn | you're not giving yourself the tools to do sane things |
| 22:26.54 | roborob | no need to be insulting |
| 22:27.07 | nevyn | so you're left with re-implementing tools in crazy shell+tar scripts |
| 22:27.27 | nevyn | well if it's not debian it's not ontopic here |
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| 22:27.35 | nevyn | and debian has at least dpkg |
| 22:27.50 | nevyn | so building a package copying it and running dpkg-i is the solution |
| 22:27.59 | nevyn | if your target isn't debian it's not supported here. |
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| 22:33.25 | Voyage | how to see package policy and version (if not installed) |
| 22:33.38 | satbyy_ | Voyage: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 22:33.52 | Voyage | thanks |
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| 22:34.59 | Voyage | my redmine says Installed: 3.0~20140825-8 in policy but 2.5 in url/information page |
| 22:35.47 | neil_ | hi all! my first time on here and I'm looking for a little help with rsync if anyone has a few minutes |
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| 22:38.13 | neil_ | I'm trying to back up my NAS to a USB disk connected to a Pi running Raspbian. |
| 22:38.59 | neil_ | I have the ssh keys working fine, and the NAS is running a scheduled task which kicks off a shell script contining the rsync instructions |
| 22:39.42 | neil_ | but I think I'm running into trouble with permissions at the other end. It creates the top level directories but then can't write to anything beneath that |
| 22:41.34 | c-c | chmod? |
| 22:42.09 | neil_ | yes I've tried that but am unsure if I am doing the right thing |
| 22:42.27 | neil_ | the account that the ssh connection logs in as has permissions to the destination directory |
| 22:44.03 | neil_ | the ssh account is called "synology". destination directory on Pi is /mnt/usbdrive/MyBackup |
| 22:44.13 | neil_ | ls -l gives me this |
| 22:44.15 | neil_ | drwxrwxr-x 3 synology synology 4096 Jan 30 07:55 MyBackup |
| 22:44.43 | neil_ | so it seems (at least to this noob) that the account has permissions to the directory |
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| 22:47.25 | chele | How do I access my drive? I got pcie ssd with pci-sata-usb which when connecting is recognize but somehow I cannot mount it the drive. Is not detected in gparted either. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7cc467dd/ |
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| 22:51.30 | mtn | chele: how about lsblk? |
| 22:52.26 | frostschutz | chele, do you get the same error when not even putting the ssd in? then the ssd is broke or the adapter not capable of recognizing it |
| 22:53.01 | chele | frostschutz: no. that's in the paste. |
| 22:53.11 | chele | mtn: is not listing it. |
| 22:53.22 | frostschutz | chele, "no medium found" is essentially an empty storage device, like a card reader with no card in it |
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| 22:55.09 | axel_fly | is there an oem install possibilty for debian? |
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| 22:55.25 | toogley | how can i get my gpg key in the format, apt-key does expect? nothing works |
| 22:55.27 | chele | for some reason is not starting. |
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| 22:56.17 | allizom | axel_fly: like this one https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed ? |
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| 22:56.39 | axel_fly | thx |
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| 22:57.12 | chele | frostschutz: that's interesting. it's like I have plugged in only sata-usb adapter. I remove the ssd and not changes on the system. |
| 22:58.57 | frostschutz | chele, hardware issue, then |
| 22:59.32 | chele | so it seems. |
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| 23:08.25 | aardvark | Hi. I use Debian Jessie with GNOME and have the following issue: If I boot my laptop with an connected external monitor, the gdm login screen is not usable (totally gray) and my laptop monitor is off. |
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| 23:08.55 | aardvark | I can login by pressing Enter followed by my password, but I have no visual indication. |
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| 23:09.35 | aardvark | I guess that my Laptop monitor is primary and the connected external monitor secondary display, but somehow the primary display is not visible. |
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| 23:10.04 | aardvark | How can I have some visual indication of my login? |
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| 23:12.12 | jim | aardvark, what would you take as "visual indication", for example? |
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| 23:16.23 | aardvark | jim: Seeing the user name |
| 23:16.36 | aardvark | Or that I am typing the password |
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| 23:17.01 | aardvark | jim: Just a normal login like it is supposed to be. |
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| 23:17.54 | freq | hi |
| 23:17.58 | aardvark | jim: Right now I see only 1 black screen and 1 gray screen, and have to "type in the dark". I don't think that is the way it is supposed to be. |
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| 23:19.00 | aardvark | jim: After I logged in by blindly typing, I use my mouse to change the external monitor to primary and then I can use my external monitor as I want. |
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| 23:20.14 | jim | so, the monitor is not showing the initial graphical login screen at all |
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| 23:20.47 | aardvark | jim: yes |
| 23:21.15 | aardvark | jim: the builtin laptop monitor is black, the external monitor is gray (the login screen gray) |
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| 23:22.08 | jim | instead, it shows a completely black screen? pressing a key (such as the shift key) doesn't wake it up?) |
| 23:22.23 | aardvark | No it doesn't change anything. |
| 23:22.31 | aardvark | It is completely black |
| 23:22.47 | aardvark | jim: I can even reproduce this after being logged in |
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| 23:23.10 | babilen | I take it that it doesn't happen if you do not boot with an external monitor connected? |
| 23:23.19 | aardvark | jim: If I try to activate my builtin laptop screen now after being logged in with an xrandr command it doesnt work |
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| 23:23.40 | aardvark | unless I first specify the _wrong_ resolution (not full HD) |
| 23:24.04 | aardvark | If make the xrandr call with the Full HD solution it stays black |
| 23:24.30 | jim | babilen nas a question... see above |
| 23:24.31 | aardvark | babilen: Yes. If external monitor is not connected before boot the builtin monitor works fine. |
| 23:24.49 | babilen | And you can then turn on the external just fine? |
| 23:25.06 | aardvark | babilen: Yes. |
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| 23:25.43 | babilen | Which release is that and what GPU are you using? It might be worth trying a newer kernel (i.e. the one in jessie-backports) or a different driver. |
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| 23:26.55 | aardvark | babilen: I use Debian Jessie 8.3. My graphic card is a NVIDIA GeForce GT 730M I think |
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| 23:27.26 | babilen | And are you using the nvidia drivers? |
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| 23:27.44 | jim | what does it say when you run: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 23:27.48 | aardvark | babilen: I am not sure. I followed the normal installation procedure. |
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| 23:27.59 | gor | hello, could someone help me setup wepay.com API for reward in bitcoins? i would appreciate, its only few files but dont knw how to make them work |
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| 23:28.05 | gor | i can pay upfront |
| 23:28.12 | babilen | That might mean "no", so you never installed any nvidia drivers explicitly? |
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| 23:28.23 | aardvark | jim: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b) |
| 23:28.29 | teraflops | GT 730M sounds optimus |
| 23:28.43 | aardvark | babilen: I never installed something explicetely, yes. |
| 23:28.44 | babilen | gor: That seems to have nothing to do with Debian. Please take it elsewhere. |
| 23:29.08 | markybob | aardvark, optimus is fun. meaning it blows. you should look at wiki.debian.org/bumblebee |
| 23:29.10 | gor | any suggestion where? |
| 23:29.12 | gor | really pissed right now |
| 23:29.19 | gor | #php is invite only:> |
| 23:29.32 | nedstark | there's a #bitcoin |
| 23:29.45 | jim | , pciid [8086:0a16] |
| 23:29.46 | judd | [8086:0a16] is 'Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0a16 |
| 23:29.55 | markybob | gor, ##php is not invite only |
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| 23:30.06 | gor | let me check |
| 23:30.17 | teraflops | sometimes the hdmi is hardwired to the nvidia gpu then youre kinda fucked |
| 23:30.40 | babilen | aardvark: It might be worth trying the non-free drivers. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_340.65 summarises the nvidia driver installation from backports and you appear to have Optimus hardware there and https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee summarises how to use that. |
| 23:31.32 | nedstark | i love backports, i really do, i celebrate it's entire catalog |
| 23:31.57 | aardvark | Ok, so do I understand it right I am currently not using my graphic card at all? |
| 23:32.00 | babilen | aardvark: Having said that you might want to start by installing several firmware packages such as firmware-linux-nonfree and intel-microcode (assuming you have an Intel CPU). *Everybody* should have microcode installed as buggy CPUs are annoying. For that make sure to have "main contrib non-free" in your sources.list |
| 23:32.20 | babilen | aardvark: I'd also install a backported kernel |
| 23:32.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell aardvark -about bpo kernel |
| 23:32.58 | aardvark | babilen: Ok I will do all of the things you mentioned above. Will take me this evening :) |
| 23:33.06 | babilen | aardvark: I guess that you are using the internal Intel card at the moment |
| 23:33.53 | babilen | aardvark: I'd start with the kernel and firmware. See if that changes the way it behaves. Once you've done that check if you have Optimus hardware and bring bumblebee and the proprietary nvidia drivers into the mix. |
| 23:34.13 | aardvark | babilen: The sad thing is I do this since I first got my laptop over a year ago :/ On the other hand I am looking forward to finally start getting some benefits from my graphics card :) |
| 23:34.22 | teraflops | aardvark: also https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Multi-monitor-setup |
| 23:34.40 | aardvark | teraflops: Thanks, I will check that out too. |
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| 23:34.46 | babilen | I try to stay clear of Optimus hardware as much as I can, but bumblebee made some progress |
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| 23:35.06 | teraflops | aardvark: yeah read the "Wiring" part |
| 23:35.12 | damarusama | trying to remap Caps_Lock to f9 with xmodmap |
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| 23:35.18 | markybob | gor i'm watching. you're not going in. |
| 23:35.24 | damarusama | clear lock |
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| 23:35.53 | damarusama | keycode 66 = 75 (66 being Ctrl_Lock and 75 bing F9) |
| 23:36.04 | damarusama | is that what I am supposed to do ? |
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| 23:45.36 | aardvark | babilen, teraflops, jim: I am sorry I was wrong. I do not have my laptop version with the Nvidia card, just the Intel HD 4400 Graphics shared. So I will install firmware-linux-nonfree and intel-microcode now as well as the backported kernel and then see if that helps? |
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| 23:51.20 | jim | aardvark, seems possible, worth a try |
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| 23:57.01 | Quatroking | how do I make programs run on startup, before anyone logged in? |
| 23:57.07 | Quatroking | in particular x11vnc and synergy |
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