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| 00:52.07 | MRme | Hi. I have installed Jessie on my laptop and when I try to change the settings in gnome-tweak-tool for "when laptop lid is close" it doesn't have any options. Under Ubuntu I have options but don't understand why under Debian Jessie I don't.... anyone have a solution? |
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| 02:50.23 | debianuser12431 | I am using rtmpdump to download a video, but it stops after a few seconds. |
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| 02:58.13 | rodarmor | I'm trying to install 8.3 on a box with an ASUS X99-Deluxe motherboard, but it seems to be failing to install grub. |
| 02:58.20 | rodarmor | Can I drop into a shell and do it manually? |
| 02:58.38 | rodarmor | Or maybe just get a better error message. Also, it's onto an M.2 SSD, in case that makes a difference. |
| 02:59.05 | markybob | rodarmor, that doesn't tell us much. are you using uefi? secure boot? |
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| 03:00.11 | rodarmor | uefi, I think, but I'm not sure. I think I disabled secure boot in the bios. |
| 03:00.25 | rodarmor | markybob: How can I tell if I'm using secure boot? |
| 03:00.43 | markybob | rodarmor, you need to be sure before we can help you. go look. probably f2 or f12 during boot |
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| 03:02.39 | rodarmor | markybob: Okay, it's definitely a UEFI bios, and secure boot is disabled. |
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| 03:04.24 | markybob | rodarmor, which install did you use? |
| 03:04.53 | rodarmor | markybob: I'm using the "debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso" image |
| 03:05.45 | markybob | rodarmor, okay, that one supports uefi. what error are you seeing? |
| 03:06.29 | debianuser12431 | I am using rtmpdump to download a video, but it stops after a few seconds. |
| 03:06.37 | rodarmor | markybob: Nothing super enlightening, it just turns red and says that grub install failed. When I alt-f4 to the log console it says that grub failed with error code 1. |
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| 03:07.17 | r3m | ,v mariadb-server |
| 03:07.18 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.22-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.23-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 10.0.23-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.0.23-1; sid: 10.0.23-2 |
| 03:07.35 | rodarmor | But wait, I think I might be confused. I have a UEFI BIOS, but it supports booting from the CD in both UEFI and non UEFI mode. (I think, because it lists the same device twice in the boot order, once with UEFI in front of the drive name and once without.) |
| 03:08.00 | rodarmor | I think I was booting from the CD in non-UEFI mode. I'm trying again in UEFI mode. |
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| 03:17.37 | rodarmor | markybob: Okay, same error now that it's booting in UEFI mode. The log just says "Configuring 'grub-installer' failed with error code 1. |
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| 03:18.04 | rodarmor | Whoops, looks like markybob is gone. |
| 03:18.22 | rodarmor | Is there a way to try to install grub manually from the busybox shell? |
| 03:21.03 | Nik05 | rodarmor yes |
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| 03:21.58 | Nik05 | grub-install https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html |
| 03:23.07 | rodarmor | Nik05: Unfortunately I can't find "grub-install" on the install CD. I have "grub-installer", is that the same? |
| 03:24.36 | Nik05 | rodarmor and you dont have grub on your system? |
| 03:25.06 | rodarmor | I haven't yet successfully booted into the system, I'm in the install cd disk image |
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| 03:25.59 | Nik05 | rodarmor just using the installer to install grub doesnt work? |
| 03:26.10 | Guest35068 | fuck |
| 03:26.36 | rodarmor | Nik05: Unfortunately not, the install grub step fails |
| 03:27.05 | Nik05 | how does it fail? |
| 03:27.33 | Nik05 | I had a problem with it failing, but had access to grub-install |
| 03:27.53 | rodarmor | No good error message, just that it failed. |
| 03:28.29 | rodarmor | Everything else succeeds, so I chrooted into the new system from a shell without rebooting. I installed grub from apt in the chroot, and I'm trying to do it manually. |
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| 03:30.27 | rodarmor | Okay, I have grub-install now, but running "grub-install /dev/nvme0" doesn't work |
| 03:30.36 | rodarmor | It says "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 03:30.37 | Nik05 | why doesnt it work? |
| 03:30.44 | Nik05 | oh |
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| 03:31.54 | rodarmor | Should the argument to grub-install be /dev/nvme0? |
| 03:33.15 | Nik05 | rodarmor i think so |
| 03:34.16 | Nik05 | sorry rodarmor I don't know what is going on |
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| 03:34.30 | rodarmor | Nik05: Bummer, thanks for trying anyways ^_^ |
| 03:34.50 | Nik05 | oh do you have GPT? |
| 03:35.09 | Nik05 | Because dont you need grub-efi then? |
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| 03:40.41 | strldent | so like, check this out |
| 03:40.47 | strldent | anybody |
| 03:41.17 | Nik05 | yes see this |
| 03:41.18 | Nik05 | strldent |
| 03:41.31 | strldent | Idk if there is like an off topic for this or what, |
| 03:41.35 | rodarmor | Nik05: Okay sweet, got grub-efi, and grub-install printed "installation finished. no error reported" |
| 03:41.46 | abrotman | strldent: see /topic |
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| 03:41.49 | rodarmor | Nik05: rebooting, wish me luck! |
| 03:41.54 | Nik05 | good luck rodarmor :P |
| 03:42.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell John81 about root |
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| 03:42.08 | EgoAleSum | hello. in my system, Iâm trying to enable automatic spin-down for the disk using hdparm. that worked successfully for a SSD drive inside, but a RAID-5 array never goes into standby. how can I figure out what process is keeping my disks up? |
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| 03:46.25 | arcveil | which file or files should i be editing for memcpy buffer overflows in the kernel source ? |
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| 03:47.42 | rodarmor | Nik05: damn, no dice, it failed to boot. I'm going to search around, perhaps it's a rogue bios setting. |
| 03:47.44 | debianuser12431 | I am using rtmpdump to download a video, but it stops after a few seconds. |
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| 04:04.02 | PryMar56 | how can I sequence the dnsmasq service to wait till the virbr0 interface has an IP. It starts too early |
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| 04:07.28 | jeep | PryMar56: try this http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-managing-services-with-update-rc-d/ |
| 04:08.30 | jeep | PryMar56: quick dirty fix is kill dnsmasq and restart it in rc.local ... |
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| 04:09.09 | PryMar56 | jeep, inserv and start/kill sequence system I get. I need to do it the LP way |
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| 04:10.15 | PryMar56 | jeep if networking and dnsmasq are both in rc2, then maybe they are starting in parallel |
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| 04:10.24 | PryMar56 | rc.2 |
| 04:10.58 | PryMar56 | jeep TBH, didn't even look in /etc/rc.2 |
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| 04:18.10 | AlwaysHi- | how can u replace a matched regex in a sed command? |
| 04:18.37 | AlwaysHi- | sed -r 's/@define\(\'MAX_SPEED\', (100\*1024\*1024)\)\;/0/' throttle.php |
| 04:18.41 | AlwaysHi- | currently have that |
| 04:21.55 | blind | AlwaysHi-: try ##sed |
| 04:22.41 | AlwaysHi- | k ty |
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| 04:25.55 | PryMar56 | AlwaysHi-, \1 \2 |
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| 04:26.07 | EgoAleSum | in my system, Iâm trying to enable automatic spin-down for the disk using hdparm. that worked successfully for a SSD drive inside, but a RAID-5 array never goes into standby. how can I figure out what process is keeping my disks up? |
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| 04:43.42 | hasbeans | anyone remeber crunchbang? |
| 04:44.40 | hasbeans | fuck its early |
| 04:44.48 | svetlana | yes, we remember, but we don't support it here, because whatever they altered when deriving themselves is their own world, not ours |
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| 04:45.24 | hasbeans | fair enough |
| 04:45.53 | hasbeans | im just lookingfor my people |
| 04:46.33 | quantic | hasbeans: See also #bunsenlabs |
| 04:46.53 | hasbeans | sounds right thanks |
| 04:47.04 | cjbayliss | hasbeans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrunchBang_Linux#Successors |
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| 04:51.14 | tite12345 | Hi guys! |
| 04:51.19 | tite12345 | KDE user here |
| 04:51.29 | dvs | lgasp1 |
| 04:51.54 | tite12345 | Where should I extract this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=127528 |
| 04:51.59 | tite12345 | It's a window deco |
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| 04:54.19 | hasbeans | so #crunchbang really dont exist no more |
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| 04:54.44 | dvs | it's dead, jim |
| 04:55.14 | hasbeans | well shit] |
| 04:55.30 | hasbeans | where did they go? |
| 04:55.45 | laidback_01 | looks like bunsenlabs is a good replacement - shoot the support the laste release of #! |
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| 04:56.56 | laidback_01 | hasbeans, from the previously mentioned wikipedia page "Newborough announced in February 2015 that he was abandoning further development of CrunchBang Linux, feeling that it no longer served a purpose" so... that's where it went. |
| 04:59.19 | hasbeans | laidback_01: like i said. im just looking for my people. there obviousy was some dispora |
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| 05:02.54 | hasbeans | thnks for the links folks. i wont hasle no more |
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| 05:21.13 | shiftwreck | where do you people live? |
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| 05:22.41 | shiftwreck | if you cant tell im an old school shit that lives inside whats been done |
| 05:23.17 | Lope | How long does it take to setup a local mirror for apt? Basically I don't want to mirror EVERYTHING I just want to keep a local copy of files as they are needed. I run a whole bunch of VM's and it will save me bandwidth. |
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| 05:23.59 | jim | pls be careful with language... we want to keep this friendly for families, minors... also sfw |
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| 05:24.38 | jim | Lope, look into dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources] |
| 05:25.50 | Lope | jim: is that software for making a local mirror? |
| 05:26.07 | jim | can be used for it, yes |
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| 05:30.00 | karlpinc` | Lope: Use something like apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng. |
| 05:30.27 | karlpinc` | Lope: That way you cache what you use. |
| 05:30.45 | Lope | karlpinc`: brilliant, thanks. |
| 05:31.12 | karlpinc` | Lope: There may be other choices for caching. See the <search> factoid. |
| 05:31.24 | Lope | so I can install apt-cacher on the hostnode and give it the sources I want to use, then set the hostnode as the source in all my VM's? |
| 05:32.20 | karlpinc` | Lope: You install apt-cacher on your caching node, where ever. Maybe server the whole lan. Then you point your sources.list to your caching node. |
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| 05:32.36 | karlpinc` | Lope: You can also point the caching node to the caching node. |
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| 05:33.11 | karlpinc` | Lope: I also include non-caching nodes, after the caching node in sources.list, just in case the caching node goes down. YMMV. |
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| 05:34.30 | Lope | karlpinc`: oh I see. Can you please show me an example if it's not too much trouble? |
| 05:34.32 | jim | the cacher kind of thing is useful if you'd be installing the same or nearly same packages on several machines, and have a place to store them |
| 05:34.46 | Lope | jim: yeah that's the case |
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| 05:35.43 | jim | then you wouldn't "bother" the mirror site to get packages more than once |
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| 05:38.11 | karlpinc` | Lope: I hear apt-cacher-ng works better than apt-cacher, some years ago. But I'd already installed apt-cacher so left things alone. Dunno which is preferred. |
| 05:38.18 | shiftwreck | people live here quietly |
| 05:38.42 | karlpinc` | shiftwreck: There's #debian-offtopic for chat. |
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| 05:39.10 | shiftwreck | thnaks |
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| 05:44.24 | karlpinc` | Lope: Lines like this at the top: deb http://apt-cacher.example.com:3142/http.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free |
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| 05:45.13 | karlpinc` | Lope: You should see similar examples in the man page. I think if I was to choose now I'd probably use apt-cacher-ng, on the guess that it's both mature and a do-over. |
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| 05:55.08 | nullbites | hello, what do y'all use for music on debian? |
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| 05:55.16 | aZz7eCh | i use smashing pumpkins |
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| 05:55.38 | aZz7eCh | sometimes a bit of Roisin Murphy |
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| 05:55.56 | TV`sFrank | lol the bot locking down the channel was hilarious |
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| 05:56.18 | aZz7eCh | its 2016 and i missed a bot channel hijack ? |
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| 05:56.31 | TV`sFrank | no there was a netsplit |
| 05:56.34 | aZz7eCh | ohhh |
| 05:56.34 | laidback_01 | no, it just locked the channel to a net |
| 05:56.35 | laidback_01 | yep |
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| 05:56.51 | TV`sFrank | no one in their right mind uses bots when there are channel services to take care of it |
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| 05:57.06 | shibly | Hi, is debian for the new user or for kids? |
| 05:57.06 | aZz7eCh | i miss the old days of bitter channel takeovers... oh the emotion. |
| 05:57.07 | TV`sFrank | kickbanning folks for rejoining lol |
| 05:57.08 | laidback_01 | debian channel has been around a long time... |
| 05:57.17 | TV`sFrank | aZz7eCh: lol |
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| 05:57.29 | TV`sFrank | yeah the efnet days |
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| 05:57.48 | laidback_01 | probably the bot had the rules in place before the services were built, and well, it's worked so far... |
| 05:57.53 | shibly | Can anyone answer? |
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| 05:58.02 | aZz7eCh | nullbites: in all seriousness - debian 8? i use the default music player - hasn't been a problem for me yet |
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| 05:58.28 | lald | I've had it crash while trying to switch songs. |
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| 05:58.36 | lald | but I'll live. |
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| 05:58.59 | aZz7eCh | shilby: debian is neither for new users, nor for kids. |
| 05:59.05 | aZz7eCh | shilby: you want ubunut. |
| 05:59.05 | laidback_01 | shibly, debian is what you want it to be. debian really isn't quite a starter distro, it's more of a plain-at-start distro that you build up as you see fit. If you are a reasonably experienced user with some decent understanding of how to use google, man-pages, and the debian documentation, you'll be fine. |
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| 06:00.16 | aZz7eCh | or if you want your os to be as close to heaven as possible, download Elementary OS ... god i miss it :( |
| 06:00.22 | nullbites | aZz7eCh: I've seen a lot of dudes over in /r/unixporn using stuff like mpd and ncmcpp. |
| 06:00.35 | aZz7eCh | using what ? where? |
| 06:00.45 | laidback_01 | meh, I really didn't like elementary for some reason. |
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| 06:01.28 | aZz7eCh | nullbites: oh music players ? media players? |
| 06:01.43 | jim | aZz7eCh, if you're not running this elementary now, what has you miss it? |
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| 06:01.55 | aZz7eCh | nullbites: i'm pretty sure most people are happy with VLC to be honest - that is - if you really find dramas with the default applications |
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| 06:02.26 | aZz7eCh | jim: well i prefer the notion of 100% opensource and fewer nsa backdoors ... hence, want to make debian work for me |
| 06:02.51 | jim | how;s that going? |
| 06:02.54 | aZz7eCh | jim: elementary .... beautiful and fluent as it is ... is Ubuntu and every backdoor that entails |
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| 06:03.13 | aZz7eCh | yep i'm a month in Jim ... much to my bosses annoyance :P |
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| 06:03.18 | nullbites | aZz7eCh: alright cool, thanks, do you know any good tools for making VLC compatible playlists? |
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| 06:03.35 | aZz7eCh | network dramas occationally and sound keeps dropping out 10 times a day ... but ... i just dont say anything now |
| 06:03.40 | laidback_01 | you boss actually cares if you use debian or elementary? cool they even let you use linux! |
| 06:03.42 | aZz7eCh | reboot when no ones looking |
| 06:03.48 | aZz7eCh | no |
| 06:03.49 | jim | what does your boss waht you to run? |
| 06:03.55 | aZz7eCh | i'm suppose to be windows like the rest of the network |
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| 06:04.25 | aZz7eCh | i bit the bullet a few days ago and installed win7 in a virtual box |
| 06:04.33 | aZz7eCh | at least i dont have to reboot half as much now |
| 06:04.50 | laidback_01 | oh... yeah, I worked at a regional hospital, and it was all windows. I ran freebsd for my desktop for 5 years, no one complained at all - I was in the integrations dept, and produced results. results speak a lot louder than uniformity. |
| 06:05.21 | laidback_01 | VirtualBox or KVM? |
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| 06:05.45 | laidback_01 | speaking from personal experience, KVM is a touch faster on the same hardware, though more... 'interesting' to administer |
| 06:05.46 | aZz7eCh | Vbox yeah |
| 06:06.27 | laidback_01 | it does integrate start/stop better than Vbox, though with VBoxHeadless you cane make 'on-boot' startup of your VMs a reality. |
| 06:06.30 | aZz7eCh | nullbites: open the playlist while you have VLC running - then you can click something to 'save' the list ... so drag songs in - and then save list. |
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| 06:07.18 | laidback_01 | ... running di.fm on chrom(ium) and have had it open for the last week or so. no issues whatsoever with dropped sound or anything, and that's with a browser! |
| 06:07.21 | aZz7eCh | laidback_01 ... not something i had considered .. VBoxHeadless ... another of their projects? |
| 06:07.43 | nullbites | I'll try it. I also just installed Win7 in a VM as well. I am wanting to learn teh hax on windoze /s |
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| 06:08.08 | shibly | laidback_01, Why isn't Debian a starter distro? |
| 06:08.12 | laidback_01 | typically you can't have VBox and kvm working at the same time. |
| 06:08.27 | aZz7eCh | laidback_01 ... yeah i'm not sure what is the issue with my sound problems - have annoyed channel every week for a month tryign to fix it ... kinda give up :( |
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| 06:09.17 | jim | shibly, is this going to be for you? or? |
| 06:09.17 | laidback_01 | shibly, well, I guess it could be, but I define a 'starter' distro as one where a person has all the decisions of install, the look, the applications installed, etc - all that is removed from the user at the beginning. They just get a default intall - a 'start from here' type setup |
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| 06:09.55 | shibly | jim, Why? |
| 06:10.31 | laidback_01 | shibly, debian is rock solid, a fantastic desktop, and there are probably millions of server setups out there. but people tend to install debian and customize it for themselves - purpose built. if you know what linux is, know what you want, debian is ideal. if you are a windows-transfer, this is going to be a rougher ride I think. |
| 06:10.46 | aZz7eCh | ^ |
| 06:10.59 | jim | if I knew I were talking to the person who wanted the dist, I could ask them questions to see whether debian would work, or which one |
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| 06:11.50 | laidback_01 | to be fair, debian was my starter distro - back in 1995, I started with 1.2 or 1.1 whatever it was... |
| 06:12.21 | jim | from the infomagic CDs? |
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| 06:13.19 | laidback_01 | it could have been... I recall these overnight things at my folks house with a windows 3.1 machine, downloading and making floppies for installation though |
| 06:13.39 | laidback_01 | and it taking several hours to install once I got it going |
| 06:13.45 | laidback_01 | was a cool system at the time! |
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| 06:15.00 | jim | I once saw a debian move to the elf binary format (also move from libc4 to libc5) |
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| 06:17.40 | laidback_01 | I have little recollection of those days.. was in college a lot of the time, drunk quite a bit, more interested in women than linux, etc. |
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| 06:18.09 | laidback_01 | my move to linux was very much tied to my degree - engineering was done on the DEC Alphas at the time, so linux seemed a natural segway for me. |
| 06:18.32 | laidback_01 | there were quite a few linux gearheads in my dorm, so it was nice I'd built up a linux system at my folks house before I went to colleg! |
| 06:19.02 | aZz7eCh | linux is great, but you still die in the end. |
| 06:19.04 | aZz7eCh | you're right. |
| 06:22.01 | uxfi | /clear |
| 06:22.04 | uxfi | oops |
| 06:22.05 | uxfi | hi laidback_01 sir |
| 06:22.32 | laidback_01 | hi uxfi |
| 06:23.04 | uxfi | how goes man |
| 06:23.26 | laidback_01 | not too bad. you have a question about debian? |
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| 06:31.07 | uxfi | laidback_01, well I'm gonna use it for my remote server so yeah in the future with apache |
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| 06:34.53 | laidback_01 | cool. it's a reasonable choice. Keep in mind the #httpd channel on freenode, and you might also look at nginx - just for comparison sake |
| 06:36.58 | uxfi | ah for sure |
| 06:37.02 | uxfi | laidback_01, eh Ill use apache for now |
| 06:37.11 | uxfi | I know what it is but its kind of my portfolio/main first site you now? |
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| 06:38.19 | laidback_01 | sure, makes sense. though for small sites, small server, lower-resource machines, nginx will perform better. there's not much that apache can do that nginx cannot... |
| 06:38.38 | laidback_01 | but, do what you are comfortable and capable of maintaining, that's your best bet. |
| 06:38.55 | uxfi | yeah |
| 06:39.02 | uxfi | for sure |
| 06:39.19 | uxfi | laidback_01, yep I don't mind either but eh its just to get business maybe when I get experience with it more ill use it |
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| 06:40.36 | laidback_01 | cool, cool. well good luck for sure! |
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| 07:22.37 | paul_grozav | hello, it seems that my memory is full, but when looking at the processes, nobody uses too much ram. What could be the problem ? |
| 07:23.48 | slax0r | cache, and it's not a problem |
| 07:24.09 | slax0r | can you pastebin output from free -m? |
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| 07:35.58 | tachibana | hello debian is saying my atheros285 wireless card does not support injection |
| 07:37.03 | tachibana | do i got to patch a driver or something? |
| 07:37.04 | laidback_01 | you will want to give a bit more context than that... is that causing you a problem? what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 07:37.37 | tachibana | i am trying to put the card in monitor mode |
| 07:37.50 | tachibana | and use airodump-ng |
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| 07:38.01 | tachibana | wlan0monmon |
| 07:38.23 | tachibana | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.46 | tachibana | but it keeps saying device or resource busy |
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| 07:39.25 | tachibana | 'make sure rfmon is enabled' so i checked and yes it must be |
| 07:39.26 | laidback_01 | yeah, I dunno then. sorry, looking at aircrack-ng.org it does say the newer Atherose drivers should work |
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| 07:40.11 | tachibana | it also says sysfs injection support not found |
| 07:41.12 | grawity | what does `iw phy` show for you? |
| 07:41.46 | laidback_01 | ifconfig wlan0 down; iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor; ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 07:42.01 | laidback_01 | then you should be able to use airmon-ng to monitor |
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| 07:43.45 | grawity | that's written `iw wlan0 interface add mon0 type monitor` in 2010s |
| 07:44.19 | laidback_01 | googling, I find: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compat-wireless not sure if you need that or not. |
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| 07:46.04 | tachibana | i dont know why anyone would still be using a 2010 era distro when 2015 releases have dependies sources issue |
| 07:46.11 | laidback_01 | does the error literally say : Make sure RFMON is enabled: run 'airmon-ng start wlan0 <#>' Sysfs injection support was not found either. ? |
| 07:46.13 | tachibana | issues* |
| 07:46.32 | R4d0n | rfkill unblock all |
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| 07:46.37 | tachibana | yes |
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| 07:47.27 | laidback_01 | did you follow the instructions given in that error message and airmon-ng start wlan0 <what you want here> |
| 07:47.54 | tachibana | maybe not lol, thanks guys |
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| 08:21.49 | superlinux | hi. what should I use in place of "@" in the following command in order to read with out writing at all on the hard drive: dd if=/dev/sda1 of="@" ? |
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| 08:31.55 | shomon | hi, I am sure I'm serving port 900 from this debian box.. but I can't pick it up from my lan.. How could I debug this.. is it good to just copy the hosts file? |
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| 08:32.28 | shomon | I have ufw disabled now.. but no change.. the port is open on it anyway.. |
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| 08:37.49 | jvava | i want to run resize2fs in debian8, jessie, but found no package available to install, searched and i know it is there in debian7.5, wheezy, so now how or where i can got it, or alternative, |
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| 08:40.35 | laidback_01 | shomon, netstat -an on the box, nmap, tcpdump, iptraf, there are quite a few tools to help debug or monitor network traffic. |
| 08:41.16 | shomon | well netstat says the port is open.. same info as port 22 say.. |
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| 08:42.45 | laidback_01 | okay, so on the same box, use telnet to connect to port 900 |
| 08:42.51 | laidback_01 | see if you get a response... |
| 08:42.54 | shomon | yep |
| 08:43.14 | laidback_01 | okay, if you do, go to a client, try to connect to the server with telnet, look for similar response |
| 08:43.21 | shomon | I can connect. |
| 08:43.47 | shomon | oh you mean another computer? well I can access lower ports fine it seems.. |
| 08:44.00 | shomon | but not that one.. I might just configure it to another port.. |
| 08:44.11 | laidback_01 | well, if you can connect from the server and it works... |
| 08:44.32 | laidback_01 | typically, listenting at anything user 1024 in userland is tough... |
| 08:44.48 | shomon | aah maybe the router or something is filtering those ports.. |
| 08:44.51 | laidback_01 | usually the higher ports are used for userland services ... |
| 08:44.56 | laidback_01 | it's unlikely. |
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| 08:45.11 | laidback_01 | on the server, you can connect with telnet |
| 08:45.18 | shomon | well I'll try configuring it to 81 or something and see if that oges |
| 08:45.21 | shomon | goes |
| 08:45.23 | shomon | yes. |
| 08:45.31 | laidback_01 | so say your server is 192.168.1.20 can you telnet 192.168.1.20 900 |
| 08:45.45 | laidback_01 | not localhost, but the actual lan ip |
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| 08:46.11 | shomon | ah I'll try, just a sec |
| 08:46.24 | shomon | yes |
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| 08:47.30 | laidback_01 | and if you run the exact same command telnet <server_ip> 900 from the client and it doesn't work? see, I'd want to have the firewall up so that I could monitor the inbound connection log |
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| 08:47.49 | laidback_01 | but you say you disabled the firewall... |
| 08:47.54 | laidback_01 | hmm. |
| 08:48.08 | jvava | who know the command resize2fs? my partition need reduce |
| 08:48.22 | laidback_01 | if you think it's the router/switch, try a crossover cable - that'll eliminate everything and then you'll be able to debug directly. |
| 08:48.29 | shomon | okay I'll turn it on again.. what is a good monitor program laidback_01 ? |
| 08:49.26 | shomon | and I'll look up crossover cables, thanks! |
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| 08:49.29 | laidback_01 | uh... isn't it just tail -f /var/log/ufw.<whtever> ? |
| 08:49.41 | laidback_01 | I use pf for my firewall, so I use tcpdump |
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| 08:50.02 | laidback_01 | I guess you could use tcpdump on yours as well, but I don't know if ufw creates a virtual nic for processing rules... |
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| 08:50.25 | laidback_01 | if you aren't really all that well versed in your firewall, you will be better off not using it. |
| 08:50.38 | Haxxa | anyone know hoe to remove ultimate text from gpg? |
| 08:50.44 | laidback_01 | simpler is better - remove everything you can till you have just the pieces of concern. |
| 08:51.09 | shomon | ok I've seen on nmap that my local hostname isn't coming back on the network.. |
| 08:51.33 | shomon | ah cool I'll try tcpdump or see if gufw has some stats bit.. |
| 08:51.48 | laidback_01 | well, good luck, I'm off to sleep |
| 08:52.02 | shomon | good night/day :) |
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| 08:53.09 | jvava | hi |
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| 08:53.40 | jvava | how to resize a ext4 partition |
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| 08:54.02 | jvava | without data lost |
| 08:54.17 | jeddi | jvava: resize2fs |
| 08:54.31 | jeddi | jvava: in the e2fsprogs package |
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| 08:54.51 | jeddi | jvava: assuming you want to resize it bigger. resizing smaller is a potential challenge. |
| 08:55.25 | jvava | thank you jeddi |
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| 08:55.32 | jeddi | jvava: or if you want to resize a physical partition .. that's also a bit hairier. so, hopefully, you mean you want to resize an LVM ext4 partition that has plenty of physical space available :) |
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| 08:56.33 | jvava | jeddi: i want to resize a physical partition, which has plenty of space free |
| 08:56.57 | jeddi | jvava: okay. is it your boot or root file system? |
| 08:57.23 | jeddi | jvava: is the free space immediately after the partition you want to expand? |
| 08:57.36 | jvava | jeddi, it is /home partition, 200g, but / has only 8g, |
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| 08:58.12 | jeddi | jvava: i know you said 'without data loss' ... but always assume there'll be data loss, and be sure to do a backup of everything you can't afford to lose. ideally two backups. |
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| 09:00.00 | jvava | jeddi, e2fsprogs do not contain resize2fs |
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| 09:00.32 | jvava | jeddi, e2fsprogs' version is 1.42.12-1.1 |
| 09:00.45 | jvava | my debian version is jessie |
| 09:01.16 | jvava | jeddi, sorry, it DOES contain |
| 09:01.30 | jvava | need with root run |
| 09:01.31 | jvava | it |
| 09:01.43 | jeddi | jvava: oooh yeah - it's very much a root privilege tool. |
| 09:02.21 | jeddi | jvava: resizing physical partitions can be a challenge. are you on mbr or gpt on that drive? guessing mbr by the sounds / size of the partitions. |
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| 09:03.45 | jvava | jeddi, it is the only drive in my box, so i guess mbr must be in the drive |
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| 09:05.40 | jeddi | jvava: http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/ |
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| 09:07.03 | jeddi | jvava: this is potentially going to be a messy process. (might be simple and easy - but odds are not great : ) ... there's lots of blogs on resizing physical partitions - but you'll need to know your partitioning, and, as i say, you really should back up everything on that drive before you start making any chagne to your partition layout. |
| 09:07.24 | jvava | jeddi, if backup is indispensible, i maybe backup then resize, at last restore |
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| 09:07.51 | jeddi | jvava: that'd be preferable. backup. resize. if it works, no problem. if it fails, you can re-partition and restore. |
| 09:08.02 | jeddi | jvava: have you used fdisk / gparted / (other partitioning tools) much? |
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| 09:08.32 | jvava | jeddi, sorry, i mean backup/fdisk/restore |
| 09:09.02 | jvava | jeddi, im familia with fdisk, but not gparted |
| 09:09.13 | jeddi | jvava: resizing a physical partition requires use of fdisk (if you're using mbr, otherwise something similar anyway) and then resize2fs to grow the file sysystem. |
| 09:09.24 | jeddi | jvava: how many drives in your box? |
| 09:09.45 | jvava | jeddi, only on hard drive and a dvd drive |
| 09:09.51 | jvava | one |
| 09:09.53 | jeddi | jvava: and it's /dev/sda ? |
| 09:10.01 | jvava | yes |
| 09:10.12 | jeddi | jvava: can you run this command and paste theoutput to a pastebin? if you don't hvae a favourite one, use this one: http://rn0.me/ |
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| 09:10.28 | jeddi | command to run (as root): fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 09:10.33 | jeddi | you'll get about 10 lines of output. |
| 09:10.54 | jeddi | which is too much to paste in here. hence, pastebin. |
| 09:11.12 | jvava | jeddi, the box which partition i want to resize is not at hand |
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| 09:11.38 | jeddi | jvava: ahah ... that's more challenging. : ) |
| 09:12.07 | jvava | jeddi: never mind, |
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| 09:13.26 | jeddi | jvava: okay, well, read some blogs (search: resize linux partitions ext4 mbr (etc)). it can sometimes be very easy. but ideally the spare space is immediately after the partition you want to grow. this isn't usually the case. if it is the case, then it's a matter of running fdisk and deleting that partition, then creating it again with the same partition type, start (same position) and end (new position). and then running |
| 09:13.28 | jeddi | resize2fs |
| 09:13.56 | jeddi | if your empty / non-allocated space on the disk is not immediately after your partition you want to grow then your options reduce quickly. |
| 09:14.02 | jvava | jeddi: usally, how many partition should allocate for root partition, mine has only 8g, the whole drive have 500g |
| 09:15.22 | jeddi | jvava: there's much discussion about this. depends how much time/effort you want to put into shuffling & managing your data. and what kind of things you do on the particular host. i typically now go for 10gb as root ( / ) and everything else gets its own partition *as needed* ... but i'm running mostly within a virtualised environment, so adding volumes is easy. |
| 09:16.04 | jeddi | if it's running as a desktop computer, or multiple users, then you'd want /home probably on a separate partition. |
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| 09:17.18 | jvava | jeddi, ok, i see. i plan allocate two root partition of 10g, one for debian, one for other, left all for home partion |
| 09:17.22 | jeddi | jvava: pop back in when you can provide an output of the 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' command, or try one of the more generic linux channels on IRC - it doesn't sound like an especially debian related problem you're about to have, and you may get some good info from other channels too. |
| 09:17.44 | jeddi | jvava: oh - so it's a dual-boot - ms-windows + debian? |
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| 09:18.17 | jvava | jeddi: yes, one win10, one debian, one other, total three os |
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| 09:19.12 | jeddi | okay. you may start to hit problems if you're using MBR, as that constrains you to four physical volumes. i *think* ms-windows is getting a bit happier about logical volume usage, and debian gnu/linux certainly is more flexible than it used to be. but you may still hit some walls on that front. |
| 09:19.31 | jvava | jeddi: but besides these touched, i saw some unknow partition, such as backup partition, nearly dozen partition |
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| 09:20.06 | jeddi | jvava: a laptop? a desktop computer from one of the hp/dell/etc crowd? often these come with restore partitions that are inconveniently placed and sized. |
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| 09:20.32 | enoch | why "w" is showing 2 users but then it lists only one? http://pastebin.com/NqexxjR0 |
| 09:20.32 | jvava | jeddi, it is a laptop, hp |
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| 09:21.14 | jeddi | jvava: a world of pain awaits. : ) did you get a re-install media (dvd, say) from hp for the windows 10 instance? |
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| 09:22.07 | jeddi | enoch: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92784/why-does-the-w-command-report-a-wrong-number-of-logged-in-users |
| 09:22.14 | jvava | jeddi: u r right, sometimes i got angry and decide buy new one ssd, but the mainboard do not provide a interface |
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| 09:23.19 | jvava | jeddi: no install media for win10, initially it bring a win8.1, but quickly it become win10 |
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| 09:23.54 | jvava | jeddi: so i dare not rm the restore partition |
| 09:24.01 | jeddi | jvava: yeah, okay. i'm wary about saying 'go buy a new drive' -- it's not appropriate advice for everyone. i recently upgraded an ssd in a shipped dell laptop with win7 (which had *three* partitions allocated to windows!) ... to a larger capacity ssd. went better than expected but was resolved to having to re-install win7 from scratch. |
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| 09:24.12 | jeddi | jvava: do you have installation media for win8.1? |
| 09:24.26 | jeddi | jvava: if you do, then you've got a convenient back/forward recovery process for your win10 dual-boot. |
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| 09:25.04 | jvava | jeddi: no install media for win8.1 |
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| 09:25.45 | jvava | jeddi: mainly each time installation and reconfigure all take me lots of time, maybe days, maybe weeks |
| 09:26.17 | jvava | so often endure that status |
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| 09:28.51 | jeddi | jvava: i feel your pain. if i need to play with partitions involving ms-windows i know i've lost a weekend. anyway ... i'd suggest if you have capacity on an external usb disk drive, to do a full backup of your existing drive - an entirely disk-level backup - using dd (there's much info on the net). boot from a live-DVD/CD and follow instructions. it'll take a while. but it means no matter what you do to your internal drive, |
| 09:28.52 | jeddi | you can recover to precisely where you are now -- including current bootable OS's and recovery partitions and so on. gives a lot of peace of mind. |
| 09:29.17 | jeddi | this is where an external usb3 drive really shines. : ) |
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| 09:29.50 | jeddi | jvava: anyhoo - i have to reboot myself, now ... so i wish you good luck. as i say, it's not a debian issue per se, so you can also ask in some other gnu/linux channels, when you get the partition information handy. it *may* be easy! |
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| 09:36.33 | jvava | jeddi: i see, thank you |
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| 09:39.40 | dez | So i uninstalled nodejs and npm because i had installed a newer version from build and it wasnt working with torrentflix, tried to install it via terminal, managed to correct the path bug i got with the nodejs command but i can't do it for some reason with npm. Cant find the file or is it linked to nodejs? |
| 09:42.38 | dez | anyone here |
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| 09:44.52 | darxmurf | hum why is rsync not excluding my folder when I use VARS to store the command in a bash script ?!? |
| 09:44.59 | darxmurf | RSYNCOPT='-avH --delete --numeric-ids --whole-file --exclude=\".snapshot/*\"' |
| 09:45.13 | darxmurf | tried with " or ' or \" |
| 09:45.28 | darxmurf | when I run the command out of a VARIABLE it works Oo |
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| 09:48.32 | macbeth111 | hey guys, set up debian 8.3 as a server on my netbook. some silly questions if anyone has time: 1) setting up ssh server, planning to use keys rather than password logins - thing is, I have a work computer that I will be using tomorrow that needs access to my home server via ssh but I didn't have a chance to generate ssh keys. Can I just port forwa |
| 09:48.32 | macbeth111 | rd ssh today on my router, log in with my work computer tomorrow, copy over the keys and then disable normal logins? |
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| 09:50.13 | darxmurf | hum, problem solved with an array |
| 09:50.15 | darxmurf | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3697901/rsync-option-in-a-variable |
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| 09:53.06 | darxmurf | weird |
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| 09:53.35 | darxmurf | macbeth111: yes |
| 09:53.56 | darxmurf | but I think by default debian 8 disable password auth in SSH |
| 09:53.56 | jim | macbeth111, can you ssh into your server (I guess netbook)? |
| 09:54.07 | darxmurf | you have to conf this before |
| 09:54.57 | jim | look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config (wait, checking that name) |
| 09:55.04 | macbeth111 | Oh yeah jim, already able to ssh locally. I have added my client key to the server so that's all good. It's just that work computer that I forgot to generate keys with so I will have to keep normal ssh login open so I can copy the keys and then block it off from normal login access via internet |
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| 09:55.55 | jim | confirmed, that's the name on my box |
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| 09:56.35 | macbeth111 | already saved this: PermitRootLogin no |
| 09:56.45 | darxmurf | macbeth111: ssh-copy-id -i <file> <user>@yourmachine.com |
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| 09:56.59 | jim | so, you have a separate machine on that net? |
| 09:57.51 | jim | your netbook and something else? |
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| 09:58.10 | macbeth111 | so this netbook (server) is on my home network connected to the router that has access to the internet. Right now I have not port forwarded so ssh is only accessible through LAN. Tomorrow, my work computer (internet) will need to access my netbook (server) at home via ssh over the internet so I will have to open the port on the router |
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| 09:59.16 | jim | that would be port 22 |
| 09:59.27 | macbeth111 | I have my desktop on the local networked already authed via the key but right now I can simply type ssh -p xxxx user@ip and get in |
| 09:59.27 | darxmurf | or any other port you can forward to 22 |
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| 09:59.40 | macbeth111 | yeah I've changed it for security |
| 09:59.44 | macbeth111 | dunno how effective it is :) |
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| 09:59.52 | darxmurf | better than nothing |
| 10:00.03 | jim | you could run something like fail2ban |
| 10:00.20 | darxmurf | you can install fail2ban too, it will blacklist guys who are bruteforcing your access |
| 10:00.26 | darxmurf | ha :) |
| 10:00.39 | macbeth111 | yeah so darxmurf, I used that command on the client so my keys are in the netbook server. But I am just scared to open ports so my work computer can do the same tomorrow. |
| 10:00.55 | darxmurf | why scared ? |
| 10:01.04 | jim | it looks at your logs, and bans people who get your password wrong like 6 times or somethign |
| 10:01.06 | darxmurf | if you just open one port redirected to your SSH server it's fine |
| 10:01.54 | macbeth111 | oh ok, I was scared hackers would brute force the crap out of me until I disabled key-less login after copying the keys from the work computer over |
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| 10:02.12 | darxmurf | if you want to secure a bit more your access, install something like a mini machine running pfSense. Use it as a gateway and install filtering packages to reject any access from a country list |
| 10:02.25 | jim | make a good password, you can also install pwgen |
| 10:02.55 | jim | you can do pwgen -s 20 |
| 10:02.58 | darxmurf | definitely install fail2ban |
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| 10:03.36 | macbeth111 | yeah reading up on it now. Basically my plan is to put PasswordAuthentication no in sshd config so only the machines with keys can get in |
| 10:03.55 | jim | there;s something else that does the same job as fail2ban, called ossec... it's client/server, so probably it's overkill |
| 10:04.12 | macbeth111 | but if I do that prematurely then I have to manually get the key file tomorrow from my work comp and then manually copy it over to the netbook tomorrow which wont work as I need to access my home connection tomorrow :S |
| 10:04.12 | digidog | hey can ayn one give me the sources line for the experimental repo of debian. seems I am too dumb today to catch it from google |
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| 10:04.54 | jim | you would install the "client" (really called the agent) on network-facing boxes, and the server on machines behind your nat |
| 10:05.02 | darxmurf | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental ? |
| 10:05.18 | digidog | *facepalm* |
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| 10:05.26 | digidog | darxmurf: yeah, that was it. sry forgot |
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| 10:05.32 | digidog | darxmurf: thx! |
| 10:05.33 | darxmurf | google... |
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| 10:05.49 | digidog | thats what I did. but today ... today .... |
| 10:05.54 | darxmurf | macbeth111: ssh on a non standard port + fail2ban + fat password is fine |
| 10:06.36 | jim | to get an idea for good passwords, install pwgen and run it |
| 10:06.38 | darxmurf | if really you want to add something more you can use this tool which enable a port when you "ping" another one |
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| 10:07.16 | jim | by default it gives you short, pronouncable passwords... but you can pwgen -s |
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| 10:09.52 | macbeth111 | cool, I'll install that. Already installed ranger and some other utils. Any others you guys recommend? |
| 10:10.04 | macbeth111 | also got htop. What a beauty of a program |
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| 10:11.18 | Twinkletoes | macbeth111: You could always use pam to provide a failure delay... see here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/105553/how-to-provide-login-delay-in-ssh |
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| 11:11.35 | macbeth111 | Thanks for the help guys, signing off now. |
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| 11:18.08 | julius | hi |
| 11:18.53 | julius | got a older debian box here, but im not sure what network settings it has. looks like its not dhcp, because openwrt is not detecting a new machine. is there a way with tcpdump without knowing its subnet? |
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| 11:22.08 | jelly | julius: can you log in at the console? |
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| 11:25.28 | julius | sure, if i knew its ip |
| 11:25.32 | julius | just network access |
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| 11:26.15 | julius | if i run this: tcpdump -c 10 -ni br-lan not net 192.168.55.0/24 on my router i get some ipv6 traffic |
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| 11:27.05 | julius | IP6 fe80::c6e9:84ff:fee8:ef69 > ff02::2: HBH ICMP6 but how do i know if thats the "new" unknown host and in what ipv4 subnet it is |
| 11:27.49 | Dagger2 | ssh in and take a look? |
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| 11:36.49 | k^ | hey guys |
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| 11:37.13 | julius | does my local pc which is connected via 192.168.55.0 know how to contact that ip6 address? |
| 11:37.26 | julius | isnt there something like subnets in ip6? |
| 11:37.26 | k^ | i just upgraded my system from jessie to stretch and now im running into an issue with initramfs |
| 11:37.36 | MrElendig | julius: there are |
| 11:37.46 | MrElendig | julius: ipv6 mostly work the same as v4 |
| 11:37.49 | MrElendig | sadly |
| 11:38.19 | k^ | i have a dropbear daemon before my "normal" system boot, since i unlock it from there (luks crypted) |
| 11:38.39 | Dagger | you say "sadly", I spend hours arguing with people on reddit that think that v6 changed too much |
| 11:38.51 | MrElendig | I wish they had skipped v6 and created v7 or v8, with what we have learned about seucrity in the time since v6 was written |
| 11:38.55 | Dagger | and then there's all the people that think that v6 is too big. *and* the ones that think that it's too small |
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| 11:39.17 | k^ | since the upgrade to stretch i fail on the generation of an initramfs image with the error message that necessary directories are nonexisten |
| 11:39.19 | Dagger | (kinda suggests that it's about right on both accounts?) |
| 11:39.42 | MrElendig | Dagger: sadly because when ipv6 was created they still didn't really care at all, nor know, about how to make a secure transport protocol, so it has all the mistakes of ipv4 + a bunch of new ones |
| 11:39.47 | k^ | which in my case is /root/.ssh/ because it holds the authorized_keys and the host keys of dropbear |
| 11:39.48 | MrElendig | :/ |
| 11:40.10 | MrElendig | s/know/knew/ |
| 11:40.44 | k^ | manually mkdir them did not help, since update-initramfs -u -k all seems to ignore the just generated root directory in /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
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| 11:41.10 | k^ | is there a config setting or anything to tell mkinitramfs to use the root directory? |
| 11:41.23 | k^ | or is there some changed mechanism or anything? |
| 11:41.27 | k^ | im really out of ideas |
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| 11:41.42 | k^ | couldnt find any answer when googling as well |
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| 11:49.49 | Lope | how can I check what init system my debian 8 jessie openvz container is using? |
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| 11:50.24 | Lope | I see upstart and sysvinit-utils are installed. |
| 11:50.40 | Lope | I can't find systemctl in the container. |
| 11:50.48 | k^ | nobody? :( |
| 11:51.07 | Lope | I'm trying to see what is starting up the mongodb service when I boot the container? I've looked inside /etc/init.d/ Nothing there. |
| 11:51.18 | Lope | (well, not nothing, but no mongo) |
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| 11:52.41 | Lope | I don't have sysvinit-core |
| 11:53.58 | Lope | Ah I found something at /etc/init/mongod.conf |
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| 11:56.38 | gaurishankar_ | Hello ne body me pls how to upgrade the jessie 8.2 to 8.3 |
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| 11:58.48 | teraflops | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:59.20 | gaurishankar_ | I had applied that command but my basefiles are not getting updated |
| 12:00.36 | teraflops | then tell what errors are you getting (if any) or what's the output you get |
| 12:00.40 | jelly | gaurishankar_: pastebin the complete output of that command, and also the outputs of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy base-files" |
| 12:00.44 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:00.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:01.00 | jelly | gaurishankar_: put everything in a single paste entry please |
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| 12:01.44 | gaurishankar_ | all right |
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| 12:02.43 | julius | gaurishankar_, dont do it, they are lying. they can mindread |
| 12:02.50 | julius | they already read all the logs in your mind |
| 12:03.21 | gaurishankar_ | whats that julius |
| 12:03.27 | julius | a joke |
| 12:03.31 | gaurishankar_ | ok |
| 12:03.34 | teraflops | julius: unless you use a tinfoil hat, then i cannot mindread a shit :P |
| 12:03.34 | jelly | julius: if you can't make a positive contribution to help, be quiet |
| 12:03.46 | julius | im sorry |
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| 12:06.33 | gaurishankar_ | I pasted |
| 12:07.01 | gaurishankar_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:09.00 | gaurishankar_ | jello pls find the link paste.debian.net/download/377935 |
| 12:09.17 | gaurishankar_ | Jelli pls find the Link paste.debian.net/download/377935 |
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| 12:13.14 | jelly | gau... oh well |
| 12:13.20 | jelly | !next |
| 12:13.20 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:19.12 | teraflops | lel |
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| 13:33.54 | Filystyn | HELO |
| 13:34.01 | Filystyn | httpv4v6.c:153:36: error: âTCP_MAXSEGâ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 13:34.03 | Filystyn | wtf |
| 13:34.06 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
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| 13:35.49 | Filystyn | HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 13:37.28 | Filystyn | hmm all sleeping |
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| 13:37.48 | gyaresu | Filystyn You haven't actually asked a question. |
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| 13:38.07 | Filystyn | oh |
| 13:38.14 | Filystyn | why this is not defined |
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| 13:38.18 | Filystyn | it exist in header |
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| 13:39.05 | Filystyn | ok im checking since |
| 13:39.10 | Filystyn | that was in woody |
| 13:39.13 | Filystyn | wheezy* |
| 13:40.12 | gyaresu | Filystyn I have no idea what you're talking about. Try phrasing your question like we're not inside your head. |
| 13:40.35 | Filystyn | Dude im TRYING HERE |
| 13:40.52 | bazhang | gyaresu, you're not? |
| 13:41.06 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Filystyn about ask |
| 13:41.07 | bazhang | it's nice in here |
| 13:41.19 | slax0r | describe your problem, what are you doing, what you are expecting to happen, what actually happens |
| 13:41.22 | slax0r | and so on |
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| 13:41.31 | slax0r | provide detailed info on what, where, which version, etc |
| 13:41.35 | gyaresu | Filystyn Very happy to try helping you but... what slax0r said. |
| 13:41.58 | Filystyn | exists #define TCP_MAXSEG2/* Limit MSS */ |
| 13:42.10 | slax0r | this helps, nothing |
| 13:42.13 | ChrisH | Filystyn: second it looks like you are doing some programming stuff and it might make sense to show more details on paste.debian.net |
| 13:42.27 | Filystyn | just a sec maybe -tcp will fix this |
| 13:43.28 | Filystyn | ok people |
| 13:43.34 | Filystyn | you want me to paste whole code? |
| 13:43.43 | Filystyn | il paste just the part that |
| 13:43.49 | Filystyn | makes problem |
| 13:43.53 | Filystyn | just a sec... |
| 13:44.07 | bazhang | !enter |
| 13:44.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 13:44.30 | Filystyn | dpkg yes i know that |
| 13:44.30 | dpkg | Filystyn: i haven't a clue |
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| 13:44.44 | gyaresu | Filystyn You haven't as yet told anyone what you're tryng to do. Not the programme or the code or the distro or even what you're trying to achieve so it seems like you're really just talking to youself. |
| 13:44.58 | Filystyn | im trying to paste |
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| 13:45.05 | Filystyn | be patient plz |
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| 13:46.54 | Filystyn | http://paste.ubuntu.com/14849437/ |
| 13:46.56 | Filystyn | here |
| 13:46.58 | Filystyn | I pasted it |
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| 13:47.26 | quantic | Filystyn: K. And what distro are you using? |
| 13:47.34 | Filystyn | Debian Jessie 8.2 |
| 13:47.37 | Filystyn | i found the option in |
| 13:47.39 | Filystyn | tcp.h |
| 13:47.46 | Filystyn | in usr/include/linux |
| 13:47.51 | Filystyn | it exists |
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| 13:48.21 | ChrisH | Filystyn: Did you read _anything_ we wrote? |
| 13:48.24 | quantic | !enter |
| 13:48.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:48.26 | gyaresu | ^ |
| 13:48.43 | Filystyn | i pasted the code what is the problem? |
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| 13:48.56 | Filystyn | the ERROR part is important |
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| 13:49.06 | gyaresu | Filystyn YOU HAVEN'T TOLD US WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY _DO_ |
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| 13:49.25 | quantic | Filystyn: And like that, you've lost me. This isn't the first time you've blundered in here ignoring everything everyone's said to you and displaying this entitled attitude. |
| 13:49.25 | Filystyn | im trying TO SET A SOCKET OPTION THE ONE THAT "IS NOT SEEN" |
| 13:49.50 | Filystyn | the compiler does not see it |
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| 13:50.31 | Filystyn | the problem is probably easy to solve i tried including tcp.h and -tcp i could give the full path |
| 13:50.32 | Filystyn | but |
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| 13:50.39 | Filystyn | i think it's better to do it properly |
| 13:50.46 | Filystyn | full path is shitty solution. |
| 13:51.09 | Filystyn | im waiting here |
| 13:51.47 | gyaresu | good luck with that |
| 13:52.05 | Filystyn | If that question was too hard im truly disapointed |
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| 13:53.56 | gyaresu | Filystyn I still have some hope that you're not trolling so I'll give you one last insight into why your series of "word > paste > enter" comments have been so frustrating. |
| 13:54.05 | ChrisH | Filystyn: including tcp.h should fix it, but it looks like you know everything better. |
| 13:54.32 | Filystyn | ChrisH i did that alread compielr doe snot see it with -ltcp |
| 13:54.34 | ChrisH | Filystyn: if that does not work, try ./linux/tcp.h |
| 13:54.48 | Filystyn | i said full path including is kind of bad |
| 13:55.30 | Ticho | -ltcp is not the same thing as including tcp.h header |
| 13:55.34 | ChrisH | Filystyn: you said a lot and most in parts of sentences. I will no longer follow your conversation |
| 13:55.46 | gyaresu | You pasted "httpv4v6.c:153:36: error: âTCP_MAXSEGâ undeclared (first use in this function)" and then started saying "HELLLLOOOO". You didn't say anythign about what that line meant. You didn't say that you were compiling code. You didn't say _anything_ even after lots of folks asked you explicitly for any information on what you were trying to do. Then you pasted a link to code without still actually saying with words what you were trying to |
| 13:55.46 | gyaresu | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.55 | Filystyn | Ticho I TRIED TO INLUCDE IT. |
| 13:56.37 | quantic | All I can think of now is that parody video where Batman is just growling at Joker, and Joker is trying to get him to speak with words. |
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| 13:57.03 | CptShock | Haha quantic, perfect video to go with this convo. |
| 13:57.11 | gyaresu | lots of folks don't have english as a first language and there are other reasons for communication difficulty but it just doesn't seem as if you're even trying. |
| 13:57.56 | jelly | Filystyn: provide context and your real goal instead of just a partial error message; also, avoid psychology tricks like "is that question too hard for you" |
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| 13:58.03 | Filystyn | Fixed |
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| 13:58.08 | Filystyn | it was solved |
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| 14:00.01 | Filystyn | Thx for help guys. |
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| 14:03.51 | Filystyn | ok i have new question. this one is interesting one. |
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| 14:04.11 | Filystyn | Why there is netinet/tcp.h and linux/tcp.h ?what is purpose of it? |
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| 14:06.06 | gaspaio | help. I'm trying to install ntp on jessie (8.3) and get dependency errors on package libopts25 |
| 14:06.29 | gaspaio | which is not installable |
| 14:06.35 | nkuttler | !tell gaspaio about bat |
| 14:07.40 | nkuttler | Filystyn: there are many more. i'm not a C dev, but i'd assume you can include by path. just read them? |
| 14:07.54 | Filystyn | they are nearly the same that is why i ask |
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| 14:08.08 | Filystyn | there are small diferances but not a big deal |
| 14:08.10 | nkuttler | Filystyn: and like jelly said, drop the "it is interesting" |
| 14:08.17 | Filystyn | ? |
| 14:08.27 | Filystyn | you think it is not? |
| 14:08.42 | nkuttler | no, and i'd ask a C channel |
| 14:08.56 | Filystyn | you are very wrong this is not a C related question |
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| 14:09.31 | Filystyn | maybe ##kernel would be a good idea tho. Hard to say where the question fits |
| 14:09.41 | Bright_ | While it's not a specific C-only question. You must be lucky if someone that is knowledgeable in the C language *wants* to help you. |
| 14:10.02 | Filystyn | I have recived lots of help |
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| 14:11.54 | Filystyn | Anyway my question was why there are two headers that are nearly the same |
| 14:12.10 | Filystyn | why not just have one |
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| 14:14.16 | gaspaio | knuttler: http://paste.debian.net/377950/ |
| 14:14.44 | gaspaio | knuttler: all the requested info should be there. Any ideas anyone ? |
| 14:14.53 | Ticho | Filystyn: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9094237/whats-the-difference-between-usr-include-linux-and-the-include-folder-in-linux |
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| 14:15.07 | nkuttler | gaspaio: looks like you don't have the main repo |
| 14:15.12 | nkuttler | !tell gaspaio about jessie sources.list |
| 14:15.23 | gaspaio | nkuttler : yeah, just noticed that |
| 14:15.50 | Filystyn | Ticho Thx |
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| 14:16.07 | Filystyn | So i understand the linux ones should be left alone |
| 14:16.23 | Filystyn | kind of make sens since usualy i saw people use the netinet folder |
| 14:16.28 | Ticho | yes, together with /usr/include/asm |
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| 14:16.39 | jelly | Ticho: maybe you meant http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9388611/whats-the-practical-difference-between-the-headers-linux-in-h-and-netinet-in |
| 14:16.40 | Filystyn | Thank you very much. |
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| 14:17.03 | Ticho | btw, even "man 7 tcp" will tell you to use the ones in netinet/ |
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| 14:17.30 | Ticho | jelly: yeah, that one is probably better - but a quick websearch turned up about a dozen similar question links from SO :) |
| 14:17.39 | Filystyn | God bless, All clear. |
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| 14:21.51 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 14:21.55 | tite12345 | Why isn't Freenet in the repos? |
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| 14:24.12 | Devastator | jelly thanks for your help yesterday with udev 70 persistent rules, worked like a charm! |
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| 14:25.12 | jelly | Devastator: I think that was someone else! |
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| 14:26.40 | Devastator | jelly right! but you gave me a tip to save a reboot :) |
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| 14:29.39 | jelly | tite12345: apparently because it's updated too often https://bugs.debian.org/481163 |
| 14:29.40 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/481163 in wnpp (open): «RFP: freenet -- An anonymity and free-speech protecting decentralised darknet system.»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-05-14; last modified: 2015-11-19. |
| 14:30.26 | bazhang | hah |
| 14:30.32 | bazhang | great bug |
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| 14:31.05 | bazhang | does dpkg have a factoid about coldpaste |
| 14:31.16 | tite12345 | jelly: Hmmm |
| 14:31.20 | jelly | bazhang: /msg dpkg literal coldpaste |
| 14:31.26 | tite12345 | jelly: I don't think I got that? |
| 14:31.31 | jelly | or s/literal/factinfo/ |
| 14:31.31 | tite12345 | I'm a Debian noob myself. |
| 14:31.36 | bazhang | cheers jelly |
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| 14:33.30 | khazakar | Bug with dpkg? I cannot install one package,because lack of something and I don't know how to quiet it. |
| 14:34.16 | khazakar | It's called "flowdesigner" |
| 14:34.26 | avrelaun | Hi, I installed the "official" wheezy64 vagrant image, updated and upgraded it, then installed software-properties-common and tried to add-apt-repository. Unfortunately the /usr/bin/add-apt-repository isn't even there ?? |
| 14:34.49 | avrelaun | Is this a known problem ? |
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| 14:35.15 | dionysus69 | anyone using fluxgui? |
| 14:35.19 | babilen | avrelaun: That file is in python-software-properties |
| 14:35.22 | khazakar | sudo apt-get install python-software-properties |
| 14:35.39 | karlpinc` | khazakar: Paste the command you're typing, the result, and your sources.list in a pastebin somewhere. |
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| 14:35.50 | babilen | But then .. just add a suitable file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d (you can easily/trivially create that with echo ... > ...) |
| 14:36.10 | khazakar | dpkg -i flowdesigner_snapshot-19_02_2008-1_i386.deb |
| 14:36.10 | dpkg | installs flowdesigner_snapshot-19_02_2008-1_i386.deb into khazakar's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 14:36.30 | avrelaun | thanks guys |
| 14:37.23 | karlpinc` | !tell dionysus69 about anyone |
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| 14:37.36 | khazakar | Show that -> Error in "version" string "snapshot-19_02_2008",version don't starts with a number.How to disable that checking? |
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| 14:39.24 | dionysus69 | karlpinc`: can you shoot me guide for installing it on jessie? |
| 14:40.03 | khazakar | Or just I need help with search for Matlab Simulink alternative,other than Xcos in Scilab and alternative for LabView other than MyOpenLab... |
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| 14:42.00 | Twirl | Hello, anyone knows where to get some fonts without hinting for NetBeans? |
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| 14:42.18 | Twirl | i don't want to install FontForge for the task |
| 14:42.37 | karlpinc` | khazakar: Sounds like the package may not be built for debian. If so, trying to force some sort of install could be a problem. |
| 14:43.12 | karlpinc` | khazakar: I don't know anything about matlab. Perhaps look at octave? |
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| 14:43.44 | khazakar | Octave don't have Simulink alternative. |
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| 14:45.07 | khazakar | Scilab have Xcos,but I'm looking for others to choose the best solution for me. |
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| 14:46.37 | karlpinc` | khazakar: Perhaps you could get the source and install in /usr/local or something. I can't recommend an approach. Or look for an irc channel that has a topic of such software. |
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| 14:47.47 | khazakar | Thanks :P |
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| 15:13.46 | aleksa | I was here yesterday. I removed ATI/AMD graphic card and now Cinnamon doesn't start. It crashes and tries to start in fallback mode. |
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| 15:14.26 | aleksa | I soft of removed proprietary AMD driver |
| 15:14.35 | aleksa | and reconfigured Xorg |
| 15:14.57 | aleksa | I reinstalled package cinnamon with command apt-get install --reinstall |
| 15:14.58 | towo^work | and what graphics you have now in? |
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| 15:15.23 | towo^work | aleksa, and what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say? |
| 15:15.30 | aleksa | towo^work, it's onboard graphics, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06) |
| 15:15.56 | towo^work | aleksa, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:16.06 | aleksa | towo^work, I will. Just a second. |
| 15:16.15 | towo^work | but i have to run now |
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| 15:16.56 | aleksa | http://paste.debian.net/377959/ |
| 15:17.00 | aleksa | towo's left |
| 15:17.43 | hiya | how do save a temp set iptable rule? |
| 15:17.46 | hiya | iptable-save// |
| 15:17.48 | hiya | ? |
| 15:18.06 | aleksa | Intel® HD Graphics 4600 |
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| 15:19.01 | jelly | aleksa: which debian release are you using? line 238 suggests you're mixing different releases somehow |
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| 15:19.19 | aleksa | jelly, I'm using Jessie, Debian 8. |
| 15:19.43 | aleksa | jelly, it's pure Jessie |
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| 15:20.46 | abrotman | Pure Energy |
| 15:20.55 | aleksa | only thing that I've changed is adding "contrib" and "non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list because I've followed the instruction on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
| 15:22.02 | hiya | does iptables-save save iptables that is just set? |
| 15:22.23 | aleksa | I hate problems that appear whenever something related to graphics is changed. Why isn't there any good Tutorial on how to troubleshoot and what to do in order to reinstall everything that's connected to the problem? |
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| 15:22.39 | jelly | aleksa: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l $(dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so)|sed -r 's/: .*$//') |tail -1 |
| 15:22.41 | aleksa | Instead, I must come here asking for help and bothering everyone |
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| 15:23.20 | greycat | Generally, "reinstall all of the software" does not fix things in Unixland. That's a Windows solution to Windows problems. |
| 15:23.25 | aleksa | jelly, I need to restart in order to do that command. I'll come back in minute |
| 15:23.32 | jelly | aleksa: wait |
| 15:23.54 | aleksa | I'll wait |
| 15:24.06 | jelly | aleksa: while you're at it, also look at which libgl1* packages you have installed and whcih one is active |
| 15:24.28 | jelly | aleksa: so do something like this instead: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l $(dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so)|sed -r 's/: .*$//') libgl1\* |
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| 15:25.18 | aleksa | jelly, I'm on the same PC now, different partition and different OS. So I can only access to Debian if I reboot now. I'll take my brother's laptop to continue following the #channel |
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| 15:25.21 | aleksa | just a moment |
| 15:25.32 | jelly | aleksa: and: readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
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| 15:28.37 | Aleksa | jelly, I'm back. Can you, please, write all I need to run again? |
| 15:29.07 | Aleksa | plus, keep in mind that I only have tty on the problematic PC |
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| 15:29.29 | Aleksa | so, some terminal pastebin program that would give link in tty would be appreciated |
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| 15:30.07 | greycat | I would suggest ssh-ing from the PC where you have IRC, to the Debian system. Then you can paste stuff from IRC to the ssh session. |
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| 15:30.39 | greycat | (And vice versa) |
| 15:30.50 | Aleksa | great Idea |
| 15:30.52 | zykotick9 | Aleksa: regarding a terminal based pastebin, termbin.com is an easy option - just "foo_command | nc termbin.com 9999" |
| 15:30.53 | Aleksa | I will do that |
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| 15:32.57 | Aleksa | I ssh-ed my PC |
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| 15:33.07 | Aleksa | I'm on laptop now, ready and waiting :) |
| 15:33.39 | g00se | What do you folks do if you have Tor but the client only understands an http proxy (not socks)? |
| 15:33.44 | Aleksa | can someone please copy-paste me the command jelly told me to do? |
| 15:34.04 | patsToms | <jelly> aleksa: and: readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
| 15:34.29 | Aleksa | patsToms, the one before that, it included ROWS=200 |
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| 15:34.40 | patsToms | aleksa: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l $(dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so)|sed -r 's/: .*$//') |tail -1 |
| 15:34.50 | Aleksa | thank you |
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| 15:35.54 | Aleksa | The output of COLUMNS... is: ii libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 amd64 free implementation of the OpenGL API -- DRI modules |
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| 15:36.28 | Aleksa | and the output of readlink is: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fglrx/fglrx-libGL.so.1.2 |
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| 15:41.38 | Aleksa | Guys, is my case assigned to someone? |
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| 15:42.31 | Mathisen | i think its pending still lol |
| 15:42.37 | at0m | g00se: chain it with polipo, privoxy |
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| 15:44.35 | g00se | at0m: thanks - i did see that hint somewhere but haven't looked into it yet |
| 15:44.40 | g00se | (properly) |
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| 15:48.34 | Aleksa | Would it be better if I reinstalled the system? |
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| 15:49.20 | greycat | Usually not. Reinstalling would just put everything in the same state it's in now, unless there's something you did that you haven't said. |
| 15:49.28 | jelly | Aleksa: so you still have libGL.so.1 from fglrx. |
| 15:49.51 | Aleksa | greycat, I installed the system with AMD graphic card in it |
| 15:49.53 | Aleksa | it worked |
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| 15:50.01 | Aleksa | then I installed proprietary drivers |
| 15:50.04 | Aleksa | it worked |
| 15:50.11 | stoned | Good morning |
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| 15:50.32 | Aleksa | now I realised it works better with onboard graphic card Intel HD4600 |
| 15:50.50 | jelly | Aleksa: find which package it belongs to, dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fglrx/fglrx-libGL.so.1.2, then purge or remove that package |
| 15:50.53 | Aleksa | because i5 4690k works much better than GPU on AMD HD4320 |
| 15:51.02 | Aleksa | jelly, ok |
| 15:51.36 | Aleksa | jelly, it's libgl1-fglrx-glx:amd64: |
| 15:51.50 | jelly | omit that last : |
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| 15:52.37 | Aleksa | The following packages will be REMOVED: libfglrx-amdxvba1* libgl1-fglrx-glx* Shall I continue? the first package I'm not familiar with |
| 15:53.13 | greycat | removing everything with fglrx in its name doesn't sound bad |
| 15:53.14 | Aleksa | I removed it :) |
| 15:53.21 | Aleksa | Should I restart now? |
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| 15:54.27 | thunderWilly | i installed a clean debian jessie. now i wanted to install apt-get install build-essential. but it says package not avaliable. i already did upgrade/update |
| 15:54.51 | Aleksa | after restart, cinnamon is still in fallback mode |
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| 15:56.24 | markybob | thunderWilly, pastebin your sources.list |
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| 16:01.16 | Aleksa | Still nothing :( |
| 16:01.31 | Aleksa | Should I paste new log? |
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| 16:02.48 | Aleksa | http://paste.debian.net/377973/ |
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| 16:03.19 | Aleksa | it still has this dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fglrx/fglrx-libGL.so.1.2 |
| 16:03.21 | Aleksa | soory |
| 16:03.23 | Aleksa | sorry |
| 16:03.25 | Aleksa | wrong paste |
| 16:03.37 | Aleksa | (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:04.00 | jelly | Aleksa: good. Now install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 16:04.54 | jelly | also, precisely how did you remove the fglrx libGL.so? |
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| 16:05.26 | Aleksa | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/377974/ |
| 16:05.39 | Aleksa | strange, but libgl1-mesa-dri is already installed |
| 16:06.32 | Aleksa | I removed fglrx with command apt-get remove (or purge) fglrx-driver |
| 16:06.49 | Aleksa | I don't remember anything about libGL.so |
| 16:07.02 | jelly | Aleksa: was "fglrx-driver" the package that contained /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fglrx/fglrx-libGL.so.1.2 ? |
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| 16:07.19 | Aleksa | jelly, I don't know. |
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| 16:08.12 | jelly | Aleksa: huh, didn't you run dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fglrx/fglrx-libGL.so.1.2 |
| 16:08.30 | Aleksa | jelly, I paste the output |
| 16:08.31 | jelly | scrolls back |
| 16:08.51 | Aleksa | now, it says: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fglrx/fglrx-libGL.so.1.2 |
| 16:09.26 | thunderWilly | markybob i only can screenshot them because its a vm and i cant install the stuff for shared clipboard without build essentials. http://root.artwaves.de/sharex/2016-02-01_17-09-22.png |
| 16:09.36 | jelly | Aleksa: okay. where does /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 point to right now |
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| 16:09.55 | jelly | Aleksa: ls -ld /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
| 16:10.04 | greycat | thunderWilly: you can't ssh into your Debian VM instance? |
| 16:10.15 | Aleksa | jelly, ls: cannot access /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1: No such file or directory |
| 16:10.33 | jelly | Aleksa: well that's interesting |
| 16:10.53 | lowin | Hello all. I have upgraded to debian 8.3 but now lighttpd refuses to run. It doesn't even give any error message. Any tips on how to figure out what's wrong? journalctl, /var/log/lighttpd/error.log didn't have anything valuable |
| 16:10.57 | jelly | Aleksa: can you install libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 instead? |
| 16:11.17 | Aleksa | libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version. |
| 16:11.25 | Aleksa | I can't, it says it's installed |
| 16:12.12 | Aleksa | I'm reinstalling it (apt-get install --reinstall libgl.....) |
| 16:12.31 | jelly | good |
| 16:12.53 | Aleksa | done |
| 16:13.01 | Aleksa | I hit the restart button |
| 16:13.14 | Aleksa | and cinnamon crashes again |
| 16:13.17 | Aleksa | :( |
| 16:13.24 | jelly | did you verify the file appeared? |
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| 16:13.49 | Aleksa | jelly, do you mean, have I monitered if it reinstalled well? |
| 16:13.51 | Aleksa | it did |
| 16:14.03 | Aleksa | Setting up libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 (10.3.2-1+deb8u1) ... |
| 16:14.04 | Aleksa | Setting up libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 (10.3.2-1+deb8u1) ... |
| 16:14.09 | greycat | Aleksa: ls -ld /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0 |
| 16:14.10 | Aleksa | that's just the end of it |
| 16:14.25 | jelly | Aleksa: did you look if the missing /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 appeared after that? |
| 16:14.39 | Aleksa | ls: cannot access /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1: No such file or directory |
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| 16:14.45 | markybob | thunderWilly see the problem is you have only jessie-updates. you also need to main one. just 'jessie' |
| 16:14.56 | greycat | Aleksa: does 1.2.0 exist though? |
| 16:15.01 | Aleksa | root@machine:/home/arek# ls -ld /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0 |
| 16:15.01 | Aleksa | ls: cannot access /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1: No such file or directory |
| 16:15.01 | Aleksa | ls: cannot access /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0: No such file or directory |
| 16:15.03 | Aleksa | no |
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| 16:15.18 | Aleksa | sorry for pasting all of it inside |
| 16:15.29 | jelly | Aleksa: okay. pastebin the output of dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 |
| 16:15.32 | markybob | thunderWilly, make it look like this. https://paste.debian.net/377970/ |
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| 16:16.01 | dagerik | ip link show dev eth0 says NO-CARRIER but I know there is a signal there |
| 16:16.12 | Aleksa | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/377976/ |
| 16:16.39 | Aleksa | why is still radeon present? |
| 16:16.41 | jelly | Aleksa: oh, my bad. Install libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 as well |
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| 16:17.07 | Aleksa | it was already installed |
| 16:17.13 | Aleksa | newest version already |
| 16:17.13 | jelly | reinstall it, then |
| 16:17.16 | Aleksa | ok |
| 16:17.58 | Aleksa | wow, it did some work, including update-initramfs |
| 16:17.58 | jelly | Aleksa: and pastebin the output of dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 as well |
| 16:18.25 | Aleksa | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/377977/ |
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| 16:19.02 | jelly | Aleksa: that looks fine. Do the two paths exist now? |
| 16:20.12 | Aleksa | still not |
| 16:20.20 | Aleksa | libGL.so.1: No such file or directory |
| 16:20.42 | Aleksa | libGL.so.1.2.0: No such file or directory :( The problem is persistant :( |
| 16:20.47 | DoctorD90 | im using this guide to add resolution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution --but at end i cant add resolution to my pc screen ....it has added it to another one. How may I deeted it? |
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| 16:22.20 | jelly | Aleksa: okay then. Pastebin the output of "update-glx --config glx" |
| 16:22.40 | jelly | Aleksa: don't pick an option, just show the output first |
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| 16:23.01 | Aleksa | jelly, bash: update-glx: command not found |
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| 16:26.00 | zykotick9 | Aleksa: don't feel bad, i don't have update-glx either... and "apt-cache search update-glx" has no results... |
| 16:26.08 | kion | on a 64 bit system what does dpkg --add-architecture i386 do? |
| 16:26.23 | markybob | kion, lets you install i386 packages using apt-get |
| 16:26.59 | kion | markybob, will that make my system slower or change my boot times? |
| 16:27.07 | markybob | kion, no |
| 16:27.13 | greycat | Aleksa: does this produce any output: grep -r exclude /etc/dpkg |
| 16:27.39 | kion | markybob, thanks, I am installing skype and they have no 64 bit version for debian |
| 16:28.07 | Aleksa | greycat, none, no output |
| 16:28.19 | JyZyXEL | does debian jessie have any way of unmounting idling network shares after some period of inactivity? |
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| 16:28.27 | JyZyXEL | it would be a huge security win |
| 16:28.28 | greycat | JyZyXEL: autofs |
| 16:28.37 | JyZyXEL | greycat: does that work with systemd and fstab? |
| 16:28.51 | DoctorD90 | anyone good with xrandx? |
| 16:28.55 | greycat | you wouldn't put autofs stuff in fstab. I have no idea what systemd has to do with it. |
| 16:28.58 | greycat | autofs dates back to the 1990s. |
| 16:28.58 | DoctorD90 | need some help with it :P |
| 16:29.15 | JyZyXEL | greycat: i have an enormous list in my fstab... |
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| 16:29.24 | JyZyXEL | so it really needs to work with that |
| 16:29.41 | greycat | You mean, you need to rewrite that huge list. |
| 16:29.49 | greycat | Sounds like a fun work day. |
| 16:29.50 | JyZyXEL | that is exactly what im not doing |
| 16:30.06 | JyZyXEL | because i also heavily use mount options that command systemd to do the right thing |
| 16:30.07 | zykotick9 | DoctorD90: are you aware of arandr? it's a gui frontend... |
| 16:30.08 | greycat | Then the answer is "No, there is no program that will convert a legacy fstab rubbish list to autofs config for you". |
| 16:30.13 | markybob | wow |
| 16:30.25 | JyZyXEL | fstab isn't legacy rubbish? |
| 16:30.29 | JyZyXEL | systemd heavily uses it? |
| 16:30.33 | greycat | You're on drugs. |
| 16:30.36 | JyZyXEL | dolphin uses it also |
| 16:31.02 | JyZyXEL | freaking everything uses fstab :D |
| 16:31.08 | axk4545 | JyZyXEL: autofs may work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs |
| 16:31.28 | abrotman | eh, not everything uses fstab |
| 16:31.28 | greycat | axk4545: but he would have to *do things*!!!! |
| 16:31.46 | greycat | He wants to have the advantages of autofs without having to do any work at all. |
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| 16:32.36 | JyZyXEL | wrong |
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| 16:32.55 | Iridos | not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 16:33.08 | JyZyXEL | one single advantage, that both systemd automounter and autofs have in common |
| 16:33.19 | greycat | systemd is *not relevant to this question* |
| 16:33.29 | JyZyXEL | jessies systemd just is too old to have the feature |
| 16:33.37 | greycat | gives up |
| 16:33.52 | Aleksa | jelly, if you're out of ideas, please say so. |
| 16:33.54 | JyZyXEL | x-systemd.idle-timeout= in fstab |
| 16:34.19 | greycat | Oh, wow. Systemd reinvented autofs. Because that was needed. :rolleyes": |
| 16:34.30 | JyZyXEL | so its definitely coming to debian |
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| 16:34.42 | Aleksa | jelly, anyway, this is update in Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/377979/ |
| 16:34.44 | greycat | Can I just reach through the internet and THROTTLE the guys who wrote systemd? Please? No jury would convict me. |
| 16:34.50 | Iridos | greycat, it's the swiss army knife of linux |
| 16:35.15 | Aleksa | it looks same to me |
| 16:35.21 | Iridos | the 2.5kg swiss army knife of linux |
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| 16:35.31 | greycat | A swiss army knife where all of the wrenches are neither metric nor imperial, but use their own made-up units. |
| 16:35.49 | Iridos | swiss units |
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| 16:36.34 | axk4545 | Iridos: must be really precise :p |
| 16:36.48 | Iridos | anyway, it's not necessarily a bad idea to not have special this, specially that things for all kinds of mounts, but to unify them |
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| 16:37.12 | greycat | writing yet another incompatible autofs/automount replacement tool is not "unifying" |
| 16:37.15 | Iridos | I would just prefer if a separate program would manage that, not the init system |
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| 16:38.19 | Aleksa | Anyway, thanks for help. Not that I don't appreciate it, but I'm little tired of waiting. Reinstalling things might be "windows's way to fix things" as someone here mentioned, but if it fixes everything, I don't care how would you call it, as long as it works and as long as it takes less than hour. |
| 16:38.29 | Aleksa | I spent already 4 hours trying to fix this problem. |
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| 16:38.35 | Aleksa | And I'm stuck |
| 16:38.43 | JyZyXEL | guess ill give autofs a try |
| 16:38.48 | Aleksa | and a bit angry because of poor documentation |
| 16:40.04 | JyZyXEL | maybe i can just let autofs manage all my NFS and CIFS mounts and fstab can be for the local mounts |
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| 16:40.20 | greycat | That is exactly how it's usually done, yes. |
| 16:40.23 | hiya | wow it is firefox version 38.6 on Debian and world has moved to 44 |
| 16:40.30 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if Dolphin is still going to work with it? |
| 16:40.32 | hiya | Why does Debian use such old version? |
| 16:40.37 | greycat | "old" |
| 16:40.40 | markybob | hiya, http://mozilla.debian.net/ has 43 |
| 16:40.46 | greycat | it's, what, a whole week? maybe 3 weeks? |
| 16:40.50 | Iridos | I don't really see why autofs had to have everything done in some new config file(s) in /etc/auto.* instead of re-using fstab... in so far it would have been autofs that was incompatbile to previous usage... probably a bit pointless to discuss here, though |
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| 16:41.00 | JyZyXEL | Dolphin might not automatically detect the network shares when they are mounted via autofs rather than fstab |
| 16:41.13 | markybob | hiya, use the link above and install it from there. problem solved. |
| 16:41.19 | JyZyXEL | a possible small down side |
| 16:41.33 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5820 Jan 28 13:27 /var/lib/dpkg/info/iceweasel.list |
| 16:41.38 | aia442 | hi |
| 16:42.11 | aia442 | if i install Debian as live-USB, will it work fine on different machines? and can i install packages later on? |
| 16:42.21 | hiya | greycat, Ok :) But 38.6 vs 44? |
| 16:42.23 | JyZyXEL | another possible problem is, does autofs support the _netdev parameter? |
| 16:42.25 | greycat | Iceweasel on jessie (mine, at least) is 38.6.0 |
| 16:42.34 | greycat | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/38.6.0/releasenotes/ says that version is from Jan 26, 2016 |
| 16:42.37 | hiya | markybob, Do you advise installing from that link? |
| 16:42.39 | greycat | That's less than a week old. |
| 16:42.44 | markybob | hiya, yes. |
| 16:42.47 | hiya | greycat, it is ESR |
| 16:42.58 | markybob | hiya, i wouldn't have linked you to it otherwise. i'm not a dick |
| 16:43.04 | JyZyXEL | or perhaps its not needed when the mounts go trough autofs |
| 16:43.17 | hiya | but I think it is not from security.debian.org? |
| 16:43.18 | hiya | right? |
| 16:43.19 | greycat | hiya: Yes. Because that's what stable does. |
| 16:43.29 | hiya | I should not go out of what debian security guides |
| 16:43.53 | at0m | aia442: indeed. firmware and specific drivers may be different though. you can anticipate and install some extra ones on the stick. |
| 16:43.58 | Iridos | hiya, versions in debian-stable never change on any package. only security and bugfixes go as changes into stable. that way (nearly) no new bugs can be introduced into the stable release |
| 16:44.07 | markybob | i love it when people ask for help and then just ignore it. |
| 16:44.12 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 16:44.13 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; wheezy-security: 38.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 43.0.4-1; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 44.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 44.0-1 |
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| 16:44.19 | AreYouLoco | install it and update later on manually if thre is update? |
| 16:44.38 | kion | markybob, Ok so I did dpkg --add-architecture i386 and it did not work, is there a command to revert my system to before that command? |
| 16:44.57 | aia442 | ty, and is it a good solution instead of Tails or will it be slow or something? |
| 16:45.06 | hiya | I do not have much issues with current Iceweasel |
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| 16:45.09 | markybob | kion, what did not work? what's the error? did you apt-get update after? |
| 16:45.10 | greycat | If you're one of the people who thinks your desktop's penis size score is the sum of all of the version numbers of your installed packages, then Debian may not be the distribution for you. |
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| 16:45.21 | Iridos | hiya, there is 44.0-1~bpo80+1 in jessie-backports/iceweasel-release... but seriously what great new features are you missing exactly? or is this just a case of SNS |
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| 16:45.52 | markybob | kion, if you want you can just use --remove-architecture though |
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| 16:46.45 | hiya | Iridos, What is SNS? |
| 16:46.50 | Iridos | hiya, the rationale is a bit... no new versions in stable --> no new problems --> don't need time to fix stuff --> have more time to get actual stuff done |
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| 16:47.06 | hiya | ok |
| 16:47.07 | greycat | !sns |
| 16:47.07 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:47.23 | hiya | lol no :) it is just that my whole debian laptop is sluggish |
| 16:47.27 | hiya | it is i5-4th |
| 16:47.31 | hiya | Intel 4400 graphics |
| 16:47.34 | hiya | 4G ram |
| 16:47.53 | greycat | There is a backported Intel video driver. |
| 16:47.55 | hiya | but yet it does act like it is freezing every now and then then it would be fine, I think it is because of FDE |
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| 16:48.06 | AreYouLoco | i think i might have SNS also... shit |
| 16:48.11 | greycat | I don't know if your particular chipset is one that would benefit from that driver, but... |
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| 16:48.28 | kion | markybob, actually it needed to download a bunch of i386 dependencies, and I really do not want to install microsoft stuff in my debian box, so I will use hangouts instead |
| 16:48.36 | hiya | greycat, for I would check it |
| 16:49.10 | markybob | kion, i agree with that decision :P |
| 16:49.39 | hiya | greycat, What is intel driver called? I would research in back ports? |
| 16:49.50 | kion | markybob, thanks for your help though... |
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| 16:50.05 | greycat | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 16:50.06 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160127-1+b1 |
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| 16:52.32 | hiya | greycat, Do you think I might have some benefit? with Intel 4400? |
| 16:52.46 | Iridos | hiya, have you looked for suspicious messages in dmesg? |
| 16:53.22 | Iridos | specially after you experienced a freeze? |
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| 16:54.14 | Iridos | FDE? |
| 16:54.32 | Iridos | Flower Delivery Express? |
| 16:54.42 | hiya | Full Disk Encryption |
| 16:54.47 | Iridos | ah, that |
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| 16:54.57 | hiya | Iridos, No I did not check any suspicious messages |
| 16:55.10 | hiya | Iridos, it is not SSD + 5400rpm only so it could be the issue, although laptop is new |
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| 16:55.17 | DoctorD90 | zykotick9 never hear of it. Thx! i will try it |
| 16:55.55 | markybob | hiya, are you using that pos called flash? that freezes up things for me when i use it |
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| 16:56.18 | hiya | markybob, what do you mean? I do not follow |
| 16:56.21 | Iridos | hiya, doubtful. I don't feel that my desktop is sluggish... anyway, that could only be true for disk accesses... check with uptime and with htop how busy it is, too |
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| 16:57.51 | hiya | Iridos, all the four core are most below 2.5% |
| 16:58.04 | DoctorD90 | zykotick9 eh...it doenst allow to force another resolution.....this i'd need |
| 16:58.05 | hiya | Mem 1536/3868 |
| 16:58.16 | hiya | Swp is 9/7999 |
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| 16:58.58 | hiya | Iridos, Could it be use of VPN 24x7? |
| 16:59.26 | Iridos | uptime shows a load average |
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| 16:59.49 | Iridos | there's also iotop for IO |
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| 17:00.07 | Iridos | and really... if dmesg is flooded with something... |
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| 17:01.12 | zykotick9 | DoctorD90: sorry, not something i've had to do. best of luck. |
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| 17:01.26 | hiya | Iridos, 22:31:17 up 12:12, 5 users, load average: 0.40, 0.36, 0.41 |
| 17:01.53 | hiya | Iridos, how to see "iotop"? |
| 17:02.02 | Iridos | needs to be installed |
| 17:02.12 | littlebear | hiya, sudo aptitude install iotop |
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| 17:02.19 | littlebear | hiya, then sudo iotop |
| 17:02.21 | hiya | lol i know how to install stuff |
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| 17:02.39 | hiya | Iridos, is uptime normal? |
| 17:02.48 | hiya | I think I should try new Intel graphics driver |
| 17:03.03 | Iridos | but if all those look ok, I would also suspect it's only the graphics that gives you a bad experience |
| 17:03.10 | DoctorD90 | thx zykotick9 |
| 17:03.21 | hiya | Iridos, iotop = everything 0.00 B/s |
| 17:03.30 | hiya | Disk write 0-10 K/s |
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| 17:03.39 | hiya | Actually Disk write 0 - 50 K/s |
| 17:03.42 | hiya | sometimes ^ |
| 17:03.43 | hiya | :) |
| 17:03.44 | hiya | lol |
| 17:04.04 | hiya | Iridos, What do you think man? |
| 17:04.09 | hiya | Try backported driver |
| 17:04.11 | hiya | ? |
| 17:04.19 | Iridos | maybe |
| 17:04.32 | hiya | Iridos, Watch a lot of movies on vodlocker.com + vidzi.tv |
| 17:04.35 | hiya | could it be the cause? |
| 17:04.42 | hiya | I do not use any non-free plugins |
| 17:04.47 | markybob | told you it was flash bullshit |
| 17:04.49 | hiya | I use Debian with Main only |
| 17:04.53 | Iridos | *shrug* |
| 17:04.58 | hiya | markybob, but Sir, I do not use Flash at all |
| 17:05.01 | hiya | I hate Flash |
| 17:05.05 | hiya | Non-free = Evil for me |
| 17:05.05 | hiya | : |
| 17:05.07 | hiya | :) |
| 17:05.23 | three_legs | yeah but some firmware needs non-free |
| 17:05.39 | dontknow | i don't know why flash is in contrib instead of non-free |
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| 17:06.00 | hiya | three_legs, Iridos when I remote bluetooth begs for non-free fireware that I won't ever install or is it Ethernet I guess |
| 17:06.03 | hiya | how do I check? |
| 17:06.12 | hiya | when I reboot* |
| 17:06.33 | hiya | How can I check startup logs? |
| 17:06.52 | hiya | I want to show you, maybe it is the cause, but in the end I think the cause is graphics driver only |
| 17:07.10 | Iridos | hiya, guess /var/log/Xorg.0.log can tell you something about how/what it detects as the card... and guess trying a newer driver from backports can't hurt |
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| 17:07.31 | markybob | hiya, i just checked. http://vodlocker.com/ uses flash. http://vidzi.tv/ doesn't |
| 17:07.38 | donald | what does the source mean on a debian pakage license? |
| 17:07.59 | hiya | markybob, vodlocker is dual - if you have flash it uses, else it does some HTML player shit |
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| 17:08.08 | markybob | hiya, i see |
| 17:08.16 | hiya | markybob, confirmed FSF people :) |
| 17:08.20 | hiya | hence I am sure |
| 17:08.45 | hiya | markybob, I was scared at first I thought NSA installed flash on my computer |
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| 17:10.01 | hiya | Iridos, what should I grep from Xorg.0.log? |
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| 17:11.10 | hiya | Iridos, It has dedicated Haswell right |
| 17:11.21 | hiya | but the problem is older driver I am sure, I am installing it |
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| 17:12.51 | hiya | Iridos, so just xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
| 17:12.53 | hiya | or anything else? |
| 17:13.04 | markybob | hiya, i'd backport the kenrel as well |
| 17:13.07 | markybob | kernel* |
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| 17:13.43 | hiya | markybob, you really advising me to install the new stuff or being sarcastic sir? Serious question, please do not mind |
| 17:14.00 | hiya | markybob, Do I have to do anything after upgrade? |
| 17:14.01 | markybob | hiya, i'm being serious. you're using backports.debian.org, right? |
| 17:14.07 | markybob | hiya, restart |
| 17:14.11 | hiya | markybob, I have add in sources.list |
| 17:14.15 | hiya | just restart? |
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| 17:14.20 | hiya | ok |
| 17:14.21 | hiya | :) |
| 17:14.21 | markybob | hiya, yep |
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| 17:15.01 | FourFire | hiya, free as in beer, or are you one of the brave heroes? |
| 17:15.02 | hiya | ok rebooting bye |
| 17:15.11 | hiya | FourFire, yep :) Free as in Freedom though |
| 17:15.26 | hiya | markybob, I would remember that start up msg and tell you too bye |
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| 17:16.39 | FourFire | so you're either a bit evil, or you use one of these: http://www.lemote.com/ |
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| 17:18.23 | finetundra2234 | Hey folks, is it possible to have fvwm listed in the list that sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 17:18.26 | finetundra2234 | ? |
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| 17:21.16 | debidea | hi |
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| 17:21.36 | debidea | is lmde debian stable or testing? |
| 17:21.52 | markybob | debidea, it's based on debian stable |
| 17:22.11 | markybob | debidea, it's got a lot of other junk thrown in there, though |
| 17:22.32 | debidea | so it's like to have stable but more user frindly |
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| 17:22.42 | debidea | and with new programs? |
| 17:23.22 | markybob | debidea, basically. i've never used it, to be honest. |
| 17:23.31 | debidea | lmde looks very polish |
| 17:23.33 | blind | You want ##linuxmint :p |
| 17:24.02 | debidea | blind lmde is debian |
| 17:24.08 | markybob | debidea, no it's not |
| 17:24.10 | blind | no, it's linux mint, based on debian. |
| 17:24.11 | markybob | !based on debian |
| 17:24.11 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 17:24.42 | debidea | like ubuntu? |
| 17:24.48 | markybob | debidea, correct |
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| 17:25.03 | bumbar_ | how can i set up ssh so that both key and password must be entered? i can only get it work with one, but not both |
| 17:25.49 | three_legs | hiya: if you don't like non-free firmware feel free to re and write your own driver the first time i did this however it took me a little over a month with a full lab of equipment a devolpment computer with the ability to cross compile the linux kernel in under 5 seconds and a few devices to work with lol |
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| 17:27.18 | three_legs | There's a reason non-free exists |
| 17:29.16 | debidea | I will give it a shot |
| 17:29.23 | three_legs | debidea: http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.png |
| 17:29.39 | Iridos | finetundra2234, does fvwm have a session manager? |
| 17:29.53 | debidea | as I'm coming from windows |
| 17:30.05 | markybob | debidea, that's cool. we don't take it personally. please keep in mind you can't come back in here and ask for support, though. |
| 17:30.07 | debidea | I need something windows like for the moment |
| 17:30.21 | greycat | xfce4 is pretty windows-like |
| 17:30.22 | three_legs | define windows liek |
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| 17:30.45 | finetundra2234 | Iridos: not sure what you mean |
| 17:30.49 | debidea | something automatic |
| 17:30.49 | debidea | if we can use this word |
| 17:30.50 | three_legs | do you need to be able to run windows programs or just the ui |
| 17:31.17 | debidea | bot |
| 17:31.24 | debidea | h |
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| 17:32.05 | debidea | I see that debian is the base of thousand of distros |
| 17:32.07 | debidea | OMG |
| 17:32.38 | debidea | it's unbelievable |
| 17:33.02 | debidea | don't know where to start... |
| 17:33.09 | poffs | debidea, use MATE |
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| 17:33.42 | dontknow | debidea, start with debian |
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| 17:33.56 | three_legs | debidea: i agree with dontknow |
| 17:34.03 | debidea | markybob, is a littlebit too conservative, don't you think? |
| 17:34.15 | debidea | debian stable? |
| 17:34.18 | three_legs | debian is one of the best operating systems i have used |
| 17:34.30 | poffs | three_legs, what's the best? |
| 17:34.32 | debidea | is user friendly? |
| 17:34.35 | three_legs | you should start with stable unless you want to run into bugs |
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| 17:34.56 | debidea | I mean, everybody say to start with ubuntu or mint |
| 17:35.01 | greycat | We don't. |
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| 17:35.05 | mrpen | Help. I updated to jessie, rebooted the machine, grub menu appeared, tried to boot, then initramfs appears with "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" |
| 17:35.16 | three_legs | poffs: depends on the task at hand |
| 17:35.37 | poffs | debidea, honestly, you should start with arch or gentoo hardened. |
| 17:35.49 | three_legs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.53 | three_legs | funtoo is better |
| 17:35.53 | jubo2 | Dive in the deep end. Install Debian |
| 17:35.56 | jubo2 | Do it nao! |
| 17:36.14 | jubo2 | Leave the kiddie pool Linux to others |
| 17:36.14 | three_legs | poffs: |
| 17:36.20 | debidea | I need somethins simple to start ans see where I end |
| 17:36.37 | debidea | that said, is ok debian to be the first distro for me? |
| 17:36.42 | microfracture | yes |
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| 17:36.46 | poffs | debidea, yes |
| 17:36.49 | microfracture | debian is a great first distro |
| 17:36.54 | three_legs | tbh i think debian is cleaner and more stable than ubuntu but you don't get as many packages |
| 17:36.56 | dionysus69 | is clonezilla best way I can fully backup my system? |
| 17:37.13 | jubo2 | debidea: **buntu and Debian are kept in excellent condition the same way: 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' |
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| 17:37.14 | three_legs | i use backupninja dionysus69 |
| 17:37.18 | poffs | dionysus69, how about dd or ddrescue? |
| 17:37.30 | dionysus69 | three_legs: will take a look thanks |
| 17:37.37 | debidea | so debian is way better than ubuntu or mint |
| 17:37.38 | three_legs | jubo2: there's also that gui thingy |
| 17:37.38 | debidea | am I correct? |
| 17:37.40 | dionysus69 | poffs: dd is pretty much same as clonezilla isnt it ? |
| 17:37.52 | dontknow | debidea, correct |
| 17:37.54 | poffs | dionysus69, yes. bit for bit cloning |
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| 17:38.26 | Dreaman | how to upgread my kernel to 4.4 lts |
| 17:38.28 | dionysus69 | poffs: yep I guess |
| 17:38.29 | jubo2 | debidea: If you are looking for stability and reliability look no further than Debian |
| 17:38.32 | three_legs | debidea: i think it is |
| 17:38.55 | debidea | sure I wiill use backports |
| 17:39.00 | Iridos | finetundra2234, you can add programs to the alternative system with --install. |
| 17:39.05 | jubo2 | debidea: If you are looking for the shinyest shiny things then something ese |
| 17:39.07 | jubo2 | *else |
| 17:39.07 | debidea | is it a problem? |
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| 17:39.17 | markybob | debidea, no. backports is great |
| 17:39.43 | debidea | no risk to break it with backports? |
| 17:39.54 | microfracture | debidea: honestly if you can fire up each in a virtual machine and see which one you like best before installing. |
| 17:39.58 | microfracture | no you won't break it |
| 17:40.00 | markybob | debidea, that's the whole point of backports. |
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| 17:40.15 | three_legs | or dual boot for a while |
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| 17:40.47 | Dreaman | i use sid |
| 17:40.52 | three_legs | same |
| 17:41.06 | three_legs | the only problem i have had with sid so far is complier issues |
| 17:41.09 | markybob | Dreaman, three_legs which should *never* be recommended for a new user |
| 17:41.10 | Dreaman | repo add new kernel |
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| 17:41.21 | three_legs | really annoying complier issues |
| 17:41.26 | Mitzelflick | how do I get the release of a debian? |
| 17:41.27 | j__ | how can tell what my apache2 user is. I thought it was www-data but I am getting Forbidden error when I try to load my site so I am thinking maybe it changed. Also when I look at /var/www/html it is group owned by root and not www-data -and that was when it worked. But since then I created a www directory in my home dir and set it to group ownership www-data and it is forbidden |
| 17:41.29 | Dreaman | hahah a ma not new user |
| 17:41.34 | Mitzelflick | like cat /etc/os-release gives me 7 |
| 17:41.39 | Mitzelflick | but is it 7.9? |
| 17:41.41 | three_legs | Mitzelflick: elaborate |
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| 17:41.49 | markybob | Mitzelflick, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:41.50 | Dreaman | 8 9 years using linux |
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| 17:42.08 | glcx | 8 / 9 years i wasn't born yet |
| 17:42.10 | Mitzelflick | if only I could |
| 17:42.21 | markybob | !tell Mitzelflick about wheezy->jessie |
| 17:42.30 | Mitzelflick | I have an ansible packer build that fails on reboot |
| 17:42.35 | Mitzelflick | it runs /sbin/reboot |
| 17:42.49 | Mitzelflick | and fails and deletes the fully configured debian machine |
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| 17:43.00 | Mitzelflick | vmware fusion on a mac (nothing i would touch if not for work) |
| 17:43.05 | dontknow | Mitzelflick, lsb_release -a |
| 17:43.22 | Mitzelflick | my question in particular is how do I print on a running debian what the minor release number is? |
| 17:43.28 | Mitzelflick | like 7.9 vs 7.8 |
| 17:43.41 | Dreaman | nikolov@debian-ivan:~$ inxi -F |
| 17:43.41 | Dreaman | System: Host: debian-ivan Kernel: 3.16.0-4-686-pae i686 (32 bit) |
| 17:43.42 | Dreaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.44 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:43.54 | Dreaman | i not a lame just komand or repo |
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| 17:44.09 | dontknow | Mitzelflick, i posted the command |
| 17:44.11 | Dreaman | to use new stable kernel |
| 17:44.12 | dionysus69 | three_legs: how does restore work for backupninja, if system is unbootable I can still restore correct? |
| 17:44.15 | Mitzelflick | it works |
| 17:44.16 | Mitzelflick | :) |
| 17:44.51 | Mitzelflick | greycats works too |
| 17:44.54 | Mitzelflick | thx gents |
| 17:45.16 | three_legs | dionysus69: yes however if your harddrive fails you cannot restore |
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| 17:45.25 | three_legs | so back up other places aswell |
| 17:45.34 | Mitzelflick | now I wonder why /sbin/reboot would fail saying 'failed to send shutdown command: dial tcp my ip:22 connection refused |
| 17:45.45 | dionysus69 | oh haha yes I guess I won't store backup on local machine :) |
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| 17:46.31 | three_legs | mhm |
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| 17:47.23 | Mitzelflick | running /sbin/reboot should work fine no? |
| 17:47.29 | Mitzelflick | for 7.9 amd64 |
| 17:47.45 | Mitzelflick | I have used shutdown -r now in past |
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| 17:48.05 | three_legs | dionysus69: there is also http://www.duplicati.com/ it allows you to do encrypted backups to your google drive or wherever |
| 17:48.48 | three_legs | dionysus69: so even if your house burns down or whatever you still have your data |
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| 17:49.47 | debidea | markybob I can't see firefox in backports |
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| 17:50.00 | markybob | debidea, that's in a different spot. http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 17:50.36 | debidea | and is it safe like backports? |
| 17:50.40 | markybob | debidea, yep |
| 17:50.51 | debidea | ok |
| 17:51.33 | debidea | will backports update itself? |
| 17:51.44 | dontknow | yes |
| 17:52.00 | debidea | nice thing these backports |
| 17:52.03 | debidea | ok |
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| 17:52.07 | debidea | now the DE |
| 17:52.11 | JyZyXEL | however, unattended-upgrades will not upgrade backports by default |
| 17:52.47 | debidea | JyZyXEL ?? |
| 17:53.00 | debidea | which de I should use? |
| 17:53.27 | markybob | debidea, i use xfce. it's not that different from windows. gnome/kde might have a larger learning curve |
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| 17:54.30 | dontknow | use anything except gnome :p |
| 17:54.38 | firztspawn | I use lxde as I got sick of the crap with gnome and kde |
| 17:54.49 | markybob | yeah they annoy me :P |
| 17:54.49 | firztspawn | extra crap* |
| 17:55.15 | dontknow | i think kde is the only full desktop tough |
| 17:55.32 | JyZyXEL | kde is the one with all the features |
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| 17:56.14 | JyZyXEL | and a lot of the kde apps are actually really impressive |
| 17:57.40 | debidea | so debian stable xfce with backports |
| 17:57.44 | debidea | decided |
| 17:57.48 | debidea | :D |
| 17:58.08 | jelly | kdeconnect is quite nice if you have android devices |
| 17:58.10 | microfracture | debidea: :) |
| 17:58.18 | debidea | better to know the mother and then the sons |
| 17:58.19 | markybob | debidea, that's my suggestion |
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| 17:58.23 | debidea | or doughters |
| 17:58.30 | debidea | :) |
| 17:58.41 | JyZyXEL | i would not trust my android device to have anything to do with real computers |
| 17:58.41 | jelly | tp43_: apachectl -S |
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| 17:59.08 | debidea | when a new stable arrive, I have just to download the iso and install it over the one I have? |
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| 17:59.21 | greycat | No, just do a dist-upgrade. |
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| 17:59.26 | microfracture | debidea: no. you can upgrade right from the current system |
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| 17:59.34 | jelly | debidea: no, you read the release notes and follow the release upgrade procedure there. |
| 17:59.44 | markybob | debidea, generally you change the release name in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:59.53 | jelly | loathes the release upgrade being called a dist-upgrade |
| 17:59.54 | three_legs | dontknow: i actually like gnome :/ |
| 18:00.10 | microfracture | same |
| 18:00.14 | dontknow | greycat, apt-get upgrade also works |
| 18:00.15 | jelly | markybob: it's NEVER that simple |
| 18:00.32 | dontknow | three_legs, your loss :D |
| 18:00.34 | markybob | debidea, jelly sure you should read the guide as jelly said. |
| 18:00.35 | three_legs | jelly: it always has been for me |
| 18:00.53 | microfracture | jelly: always been that easy for me as well |
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| 18:01.07 | ANTRAX | http://ppp95-165-155-168.pppoe.spdop.ru/Milky%20Way/Earth/Russia/ |
| 18:01.11 | jelly | three_legs: did you do a lenny->squeeze that way, or a wheezy->jessie? |
| 18:01.11 | JyZyXEL | do people really upgrade without even looking at the release notes? :P |
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| 18:01.35 | three_legs | i've done it for wheezy-> jessie and for jessie-> sid |
| 18:01.45 | three_legs | currently on sid |
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| 18:01.48 | jelly | three_legs, microfracture: in any case it's foolish to suggest that to a new user because there are always known gotchas |
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| 18:02.07 | three_legs | so unless these compiler issues are because i have doen something wrong while uprading i see nothing wrong |
| 18:02.25 | jelly | and people forget the things that broke and had to be fixed on the run |
| 18:02.25 | microfracture | jelly: i agree. one should always read the notes first |
| 18:03.08 | debidea | markybob stable with backports can be a problem when updating from a versio to another? |
| 18:03.17 | microfracture | debidea: no |
| 18:03.22 | markybob | debidea, nope |
| 18:03.23 | jelly | JyZyXEL: they do, because it seems deceptively easy |
| 18:03.26 | debidea | for example from debian 8 to 9? |
| 18:03.56 | jelly | debidea: they're supposed to be safe for that. Sometimes there are bugs. |
| 18:04.09 | greycat | debidea: the packages in 9 will easily install over top of the backports in 8+backports |
| 18:04.59 | greycat | (unless there is a rare packaging bug of some kind) |
| 18:05.02 | Mitzelflick | I wish packer and ansible and vagrant didn't exist |
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| 18:07.36 | ANTRAX | http://ppp95-165-155-168.pppoe.spdop.ru/Sektor%20Gaza/ |
| 18:07.53 | stoned | Mitzelflick: need is the mother of invention. So they say. |
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| 18:09.22 | Mitzelflick | is there a way to manually install |
| 18:09.32 | Mitzelflick | and capture the seed file, like to run ansible with |
| 18:09.39 | Mitzelflick | like capturing kickstart on deadrat |
| 18:09.41 | Mitzelflick | ? |
| 18:09.55 | Mitzelflick | packer ansible setup |
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| 18:11.00 | greycat | Mitzelflick: https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s07.html.en |
| 18:11.09 | greycat | ... crap, why did google give me an etch url |
| 18:11.25 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apb.html.en |
| 18:11.34 | Spec | greycat: it's for when you want to run debian on your etch-a-sketch |
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| 18:11.48 | namespace | I'm still dealing with upgrade breakage, the problem is I don't know how to fix a lot of it. |
| 18:11.58 | namespace | eg. Fonts. |
| 18:12.14 | markybob | namespace, pastebin your sources.list and what you did and what the errors are |
| 18:12.16 | Galaxor | Hi. I have a squeeze install. I tried to apt-get install openoffice.org-writter, but I got 404's on a bunch of packages. apt-get update usually fixes that, but it did not. |
| 18:12.21 | Galaxor | Is squeeze too old now or something? |
| 18:12.23 | Mitzelflick | fails at software package setup |
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| 18:12.29 | Mitzelflick | taskel command in the preseed |
| 18:12.30 | namespace | markybob: I didn't get errors. |
| 18:12.37 | greycat | !squeeze-lts |
| 18:12.37 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:12.48 | Mitzelflick | taskel taskel/first multiselect standard |
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| 18:12.54 | jelly | Galaxor: first, run apt-get update. Second, read the above and /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 18:12.58 | namespace | markybob: More like messed up configs, broken fonts, that kind of thing. |
| 18:13.21 | jelly | ,v openoffice.org-writer |
| 18:13.23 | judd | Package: openoffice.org-writer on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze8; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze8; wheezy: 1:3.4.0~ooo340m1-7 |
| 18:14.02 | Galaxor | Hm. This is an arm install. I guess I should upgrade to... jessie, it looks like. |
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| 18:14.21 | greycat | Galaxor: in two steps. Wheezy first, then jessie. |
| 18:14.32 | Galaxor | greycat: Oh ok. Thanks. |
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| 18:15.53 | jelly | Galaxor: tread VERY carefully on arm ground. jessie userspace in particular requires some features only available in newer kernels than what may be available for your platform |
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| 18:17.08 | frzr | Hello folks, im having some alsa dmixer trouble, audio works fine as long as its a single audiostream, when i try to play multiple videos with sound at the same time, one starts the other refuses... tried to config asound slave in alsa but it didnt work, now im stuck with the regular default config. Anyone? :) |
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| 18:18.32 | dontknow | how can i make qt software look good in xfce? |
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| 18:20.21 | SuperTramp83 | dontknow: sudo apt install qt4-qtconfig |
| 18:20.36 | dontknow | SuperTramp83, are you sure? |
| 18:20.40 | SuperTramp83 | set GTK in there |
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| 18:20.48 | SuperTramp83 | absolutely :) |
| 18:20.56 | dontknow | SuperTramp83, let me try |
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| 18:23.06 | t4nk000 | hi |
| 18:23.34 | t4nk000 | does anyone use TAILS ? |
| 18:23.59 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I have an old laptop (Athlon XP-M CPU, APM power management) that I'm trying to install the latest Debian on. It boots the kernel but hangs after "pcmcia_socket IO port probe." I've tried with acpi=off and apm=no kernel boot options but nothing changes. What else can I try (or what should I search on the Web?) |
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| 18:24.42 | dontknow | SuperTramp83, it works thanks a lot |
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| 18:26.38 | SuperTramp83 | dontknow: I'm glad that helped |
| 18:26.39 | AngeFede | t4nk000, why ? |
| 18:27.28 | t4nk000 | i have downloadet the newest version 2.0 but it has much performance issues |
| 18:27.41 | Pegasus_RPG | I also just tried with "noapic" which didn't help. |
| 18:27.51 | AngeFede | have you backfed it to tails devs ? |
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| 18:28.31 | AngeFede | time to diner, back later |
| 18:28.39 | t4nk000 | ok |
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| 18:30.24 | SuperTramp83 | t4nk000: are you running it from a DVD? |
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| 18:31.15 | t4nk000 | no from an usb drive,and the version 1.8.2 worked fine |
| 18:32.15 | t4nk000 | but the same issues when it runs from dvd |
| 18:32.26 | SuperTramp83 | Hmm, I see. Well, do as AngeFede told you.. I didn't personally try the latest version yet. |
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| 18:34.47 | dontknow | t4nk000, latest version uses gnome shell |
| 18:34.57 | dontknow | that's why i think |
| 18:35.34 | t4nk000 | does gnome shell need more recources ? |
| 18:35.43 | greycat | Than what? |
| 18:35.57 | dontknow | t4nk000, generally no |
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| 18:36.34 | dontknow | on debian gnome-shell uses reasonable resources |
| 18:36.48 | johnny0 | Pegasus_RPG: could try booting with pcmcia_rsrc.probe_io=0 |
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| 18:37.04 | t4nk000 | but why is it so slow i dont´t understand that |
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| 18:37.19 | johnny0 | Pegasus_RPG: it seems to have worked for others with your situation |
| 18:37.27 | dontknow | t4nk000, it might be related gpu |
| 18:37.48 | v^ | okay, so some package screwed up glibc, i want to know the best way to reinstall glibc 2.18 (on jessie), i got a shell in recovery mode, apt is broken, dpkg is not, wget is broken, curl is not |
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| 18:38.17 | t4nk000 | i have a geforce GTX 750Ti and 8GB Ram |
| 18:38.27 | greycat | Boot from a rescue CD (or similar), mount the Debian partition, manually extract the libc package (ar, tar, gzip). |
| 18:38.28 | markybob | v^ can you pastebin your sources? |
| 18:38.29 | v^ | t4nk000, same |
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| 18:38.48 | SuperTramp83 | t4nk000: how much RAM do you have? I don't think it has to do with GPU since Tails ships the standard linux kernel with all the proprietary firmware for video acceleration.. |
| 18:38.56 | DammitJim | teraflops, are you around? |
| 18:39.13 | dontknow | t4nk000, GTX 750Ti with neuveu is the culprit i believe |
| 18:39.16 | Pegasus_RPG | thank you johnny0, that works! |
| 18:39.21 | Pegasus_RPG | (Where did you find it?) |
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| 18:39.54 | v^ | t4nk000, i havent been able to get neuveau to work without a ridiculous amount of issues (especially in steam games) |
| 18:40.22 | dontknow | t4nk000, don't forget u use old version of driver on debian |
| 18:40.34 | johnny0 | Pegasus_RPG: i googled 'pcmcia_socket io port probe freeze' |
| 18:40.49 | SuperTramp83 | t4nk000: nevermind. I just read the answer (8gb RAM) - have no idea, srry.. |
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| 18:41.42 | Pegasus_RPG | johnny0: *faceplam* sorry I should've tried that first |
| 18:41.56 | johnny0 | heheh |
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| 18:42.16 | t4nk000 | can i use the 1.8.2 version further or is it no longer save ? |
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| 18:42.45 | dontknow | dont use old versions |
| 18:43.00 | t4nk000 | ok |
| 18:43.01 | khazakar | GTX 750Ti is Maxwell => runs like .... on nouveau. |
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| 18:43.52 | dontknow | khazakar, that must be the reason |
| 18:44.10 | v^ | greycat, how would i check what glibc version i have on the host os |
| 18:44.21 | v^ | (im in a liveboot rn) |
| 18:44.44 | khazakar | Since Maxwell,GPU need signed firmware,which nouveau don't provide,so no 3D acceleration and performance are cutted down drastically. |
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| 18:45.19 | v^ | khazakar, nvidias a bit of a dick with all the proprietary stuff :( |
| 18:45.25 | greycat | ,v libc6 |
| 18:45.26 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u8; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u9; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u2; sid: 2.21-7; stretch: 2.21-7; experimental: 2.22-0experimental1 |
| 18:45.41 | greycat | It's not so much "what version of libc6 do I have" as "what version should I *get*", right? |
| 18:46.07 | v^ | well im wondering if its libc++ |
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| 18:46.26 | greycat | You mean you're trying to fix a problem but you don't know which problem you're actually fixing? |
| 18:46.27 | khazakar | I know,but what we can do? I'm using Nouveau on my GTX 760 (Kepler) and It runs fine (with kepler reclocking patch),but I need blob for my Quadro GPU on my notebook. |
| 18:46.28 | v^ | so to be safe i should just reinstall both |
| 18:47.19 | greycat | v^: For the record, I can confirm that on jessie, wget is linked with libstdc++ and curl is not. |
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| 18:47.28 | aleksa | Is there a way to download 8.2? |
| 18:48.40 | dontknow | aleksa, why would you want that |
| 18:48.46 | aleksa | I guess I must rely on my old 8.2 netinst iso. But is there full 8.2? |
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| 18:49.02 | aleksa | dontknow, because I got a freeze bug in 8.3 |
| 18:49.08 | aleksa | don't ask why |
| 18:49.38 | t4nk000 | as I have already said the 1.8.2 ran smoothly |
| 18:50.18 | greycat | aleksa: Debian repositories aren't indexed by point-release in that way. The packages are organized by source package name, and all thrown in together under that. |
| 18:50.33 | khazakar | BTW - somebody knows why debian want to change from normal libs to "boost" libs? Changes are breaking many apps,eh :c |
| 18:50.39 | greycat | aleksa: the version you install with apt is determined by the package lists that you get from the mirrors. |
| 18:50.44 | dontknow | t4nk000, because it is not gnome-shell |
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| 18:51.09 | t4nk000 | as already said the 1.8.2 ran smoothly |
| 18:51.39 | dontknow | because it is not gnome-shell ugh |
| 18:51.53 | t4nk000 | ok i will try it on my friends Computer |
| 18:52.19 | khazakar | E.x Boost libraries breaks VMWare Workstation 12,which is unable to run... |
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| 18:53.19 | t4nk000 | i´ll back in a few minutes |
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| 18:55.07 | n-st | hi, i'm trying to install a package from a deb file via ansible, but dpkg seems to ignore --force-confold: http://termbin.com/5oh5 |
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| 18:55.31 | n-st | what's going on there? |
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| 19:02.32 | t4nk000 | ok i tried tails on my friends computer and hi has a readon r9 300,and the performance issues are the same |
| 19:03.57 | t4nk000 | so I think it is not because of the GPU |
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| 19:04.27 | khazakar | So you have something like me - one installation media,two different hardware,want to install the same,but they need to be managed differently :D |
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| 19:06.08 | dontknow | t4nk000, i bet r9 300 is also shitty |
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| 19:07.12 | dontknow | dont you have intel integrated gpu |
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| 19:08.37 | t4nk000 | no i have an older mainboard with an amd phenom x4 955be |
| 19:10.33 | t4nk000 | maybe i should write an email to tha tails private support |
| 19:11.05 | dontknow | t4nk000, if you mail you are going to be tagged lol |
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| 19:11.43 | t4nk000 | really ? |
| 19:12.00 | dontknow | no i just made it up. but who knows! |
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| 19:13.10 | dontknow | i think they are tagging if you download tails. so you are already on the list |
| 19:13.19 | khazakar | o.o,I cannot hammer my HDD in my notebook with creating 4gb file using dd ;-; |
| 19:13.24 | t4nk000 | Naturally i decrypt my mails with pgp |
| 19:13.38 | khazakar | How to do that? :P |
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| 19:16.22 | teraflops | DammitJim: yes |
| 19:16.40 | DammitJim | teraflops, I read about your suggestion for client cert authentication |
| 19:17.11 | DammitJim | how does one deal with the actual server SSL Cert? I already have one from GoDaddy... do I end up issuing my own example.com cert and then have the client add me as a CA? |
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| 19:18.12 | t4nk000 | even when i will be tagged i´m using sigant mail,it´s a deep web mail provider :D |
| 19:18.34 | teraflops | DammitJim: you need a CA unless you do some trick with an intermediate cert |
| 19:19.17 | DammitJim | no, no tricks |
| 19:19.20 | DammitJim | I will do my own CA |
| 19:19.44 | markybob | DammitJim, i use letsencrypt.org. it's pretty great |
| 19:19.44 | DammitJim | but is it proper to issue my own cert for example.com even though GoDaddy has already issued one and I paid for it? |
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| 19:20.03 | t4nk000 | ok thanks for your help,by |
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| 19:20.19 | DammitJim | then I'll have to set up nginx to use the validly issued SSL Cert from GoDaddy for my other services/pages? |
| 19:20.51 | khazakar | How about letsencrypt instead of godaddy etc? |
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| 19:21.11 | markybob | khazakar, DammitJim swear i just said that :P |
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| 19:21.31 | khazakar | I can see it,but 2 recommendations are better than one :P |
| 19:21.44 | teraflops | DammitJim: I do not know if you can singn client cerrs with your own godaddy certificate |
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| 19:21.49 | teraflops | certs* |
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| 19:22.09 | DammitJim | no, not sign it with the godaddy cert... that' not possible |
| 19:22.25 | markybob | khazakar :) |
| 19:22.26 | DammitJim | my question arises because the clients would have to add me as a CA and I don't see that happening for all of our clients |
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| 19:22.34 | DammitJim | only for this one where I need client ssl auth |
| 19:23.42 | khazakar | Btw,how to use TPM module to speed up making rsa 4096 key? :D |
| 19:23.43 | teraflops | DammitJim: then as I said you cannot use them, unless the trick I talked about (I never tried it and it was with startcom certs) |
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| 19:24.26 | DammitJim | I cannot use what? |
| 19:24.35 | toogley | i know documentation for programs are located in /usr/share/doc/ and are mostly html files. what is the usual way of opening them? browsing with iceweasel/w3m to this location is ineffective; is there sth like man for that? |
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| 19:25.14 | markybob | toogley, no they're not. they're mostely plain text. vi or nano |
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| 19:25.31 | markybob | mostly* |
| 19:25.39 | markybob | or cat. whatever |
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| 19:26.35 | teraflops | DammitJim: do you want to become a CA for a given client? |
| 19:27.01 | teraflops | using the godaddy whetever certificate you have? |
| 19:27.07 | DammitJim | teraflops, I can't do client ssl authentication unless I become a CA |
| 19:27.10 | DammitJim | is that not correct? |
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| 19:27.36 | markybob | DammitJim, no that's not correct |
| 19:27.42 | DammitJim | meaning... I don't think I can issue a client cert for my domain unless I become my own CA |
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| 19:27.43 | teraflops | DammitJim: correct, apart the example I gave you above |
| 19:27.47 | DammitJim | oh, that's where I lost the marbles |
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| 19:27.58 | JordiGH | Why is virtualbox in contrib? |
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| 19:28.09 | JordiGH | I don't get it. |
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| 19:30.16 | markybob | JordiGH, because it has dependencies not in main |
| 19:30.32 | JordiGH | Okay, other than the definition of "contrib", can we do better? |
| 19:30.37 | SuperTramp83 | ha! markybob was faster X_x |
| 19:31.01 | khazakar | How about VMWare Workstation,which don't want to run? |
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| 19:31.27 | khazakar | Because of boost libraries :D |
| 19:31.54 | markybob | JordiGH, what's the problem? what would you like to name it? |
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| 19:32.50 | bolovanos | hithere - I would like to install deb server and use basicly python, ssh and exim on it. I have downloaded "http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso" but after install (using graphical intergace) it consumed 3.6G of space. There are packages I have no intention to use (like gnome, libre office, gedit, ...). What instalation is at least space consuming? |
| 19:33.07 | JordiGH | How about figuring out what parts of virtualbox depend on things not in main so I can know what parts of virtualbox I don't want to use? |
| 19:33.34 | toogley | bolovanos: debian has a text only installation option in the configuration menu during install |
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| 19:33.44 | markybob | bolovanos, first of all you might need to be using amd64 images (most do). secondly, the installer asks you if you want desktop, etc, unselect what you don't want |
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| 19:33.57 | khazakar | Debian have tasksel during installation,too :D |
| 19:34.19 | jordanm | bolovanos: on the software selection screen, only select "standard". it sounds like you selected "desktop" or left it selected |
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| 19:34.34 | bolovanos | toogley, yes, so I will take next round with text installer |
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| 19:34.52 | markybob | bolovanos, what processor do you have? |
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| 19:35.11 | bolovanos | markybob, need i386 it will be running in virtual on 32bit system... |
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| 19:35.26 | toogley | bolovanos: i didn't mean text installer, rather the package selection. it asks if you want to use print-, ssh-, server etc. and desktop. unselect those. |
| 19:35.45 | markybob | don't ever unselect ssh :P |
| 19:35.55 | toogley | bolovanos: this way, you will get a console only installation (<-- i meant that with text only^^) |
| 19:36.26 | khazakar | markybob not all ppl need ssh :D |
| 19:36.36 | toogley | bolovanos: ah, well. as you want to use ssh, you may want to select it^^ |
| 19:36.37 | bolovanos | toogley, yes and I am sure that I have avoided kde, gnome, ... - I have left them unchecked |
| 19:37.05 | markybob | bolovanos, it doesn't list them. it just says desktop |
| 19:37.23 | toogley | bolovanos: also graphical/desktop thing? (i don't know how exactly its spelled) |
| 19:37.41 | khazakar | toogley "basic X files"? Or something like that |
| 19:38.13 | toogley | markybob: well, most packages i visited, have html manuals there (and no plain text files), but still thanks..^^ |
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| 19:38.20 | toogley | khazakar: hm? |
| 19:38.55 | khazakar | toogley I told about that graphical thing in tasksel during instalation. |
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| 19:39.40 | bolovanos | markybob, toogley give me few minutes (cca 30min) - I will post install screen with those choices... |
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| 19:40.33 | v^ | greycat, thanks, eventually it worked |
| 19:41.42 | markybob | bolovanos, this is the part you're looking for. http://doudoulinux.org/blog/public/screenshots/install/install-selected-tasks.png |
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| 19:42.17 | toogley | khazakar: yeah, i meant to select that "standart system utilities" - although i'm still not sure if that's what you meant by "basic X files"? |
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| 19:42.32 | greycat | Standard doesn't include X libs. |
| 19:43.05 | toogley | greycat: he doesn't need X i thought |
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| 19:43.58 | khazakar | toogley Ah,ok,my bad :D |
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| 19:45.01 | teraflops | DammitJim: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8431528/nginx-ssl-certificate-authentication-signed-by-intermediate-ca-chain also (maybe) http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/81975/startcom-startssl-nginx-client-certificate |
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| 20:03.13 | bolovanos | markybob, toogley - got it. In my inst version is root choice "Graphical desktop environment" and expanded, choices of desktop type (Gnome, kde), none of them were checked, unlike root choice which stayed checked. Thank you - it was my inattention. |
| 20:04.15 | toogley | bolovanos: :) |
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| 20:06.26 | wvvu | hello |
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| 20:07.22 | khazakar | Hi |
| 20:07.53 | cognitiaclaeves | Iâm trying to set up a dockerfile to use jessie inside a proxied environment. Is there a âbest practicesâ for trying to access http://httpredir.debian.org ? I get inconsistent results. The nature of the call makes it difficult to debug where it is breaking down. Getting 404 errors, and 403âs. |
| 20:08.29 | greycat | First thing I would do is use http://ftp.us.debian.org/ instead of http://httpredir.debian.org/ |
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| 20:09.12 | cognitiaclaeves | I wondered about that, greycat. Thanks. |
| 20:09.12 | greycat | Ideally you'd also be going through a local caching proxy to ensure file availability and decrease mirror load. |
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| 20:10.04 | cognitiaclaeves | Well, Docker will cache internally, so once the file is downloaded, it shouldnât even go out to the mirror. |
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| 20:12.45 | Kirito | http://i.imgur.com/KFU7YTf.png o.O any ideas? missing kernel modules maybe? Happens when trying to boot a custom compiled kernel, booting the standard kernel has no issues. This is Debian Jessie. Maybe a missing kernel module for /dev/disk/by-uuid support? |
| 20:14.36 | khazakar | Possibly,but how you compilled and installed custom cernel? |
| 20:14.56 | greycat | !kernel handbook |
| 20:14.56 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 20:15.01 | mtn | Krakakanok: looks like grub can't find the correct partition for /. it looks like the uuid is incorrect |
| 20:15.09 | mtn | Krakakanok: sorry, not meant for you. |
| 20:15.23 | mtn | Kirito: : looks like grub can't find the correct partition for /. it looks like the uuid is incorrect |
| 20:16.38 | Kirito | mtn, The UUID is correct, I can boot into the stock kernel fine with it. |
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| 20:17.17 | Kirito | khazakar, greycat, it was build using debootstrap the standard Debian way (what you linked) |
| 20:17.23 | mtn | Kirito: well, it says no root device found and it says the uuid does not exist |
| 20:17.39 | Kirito | Or, well, with make-kpkg |
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| 20:17.46 | Mitzelflick | dont give in to hate |
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| 20:18.30 | Kirito | mtn, Yes, I'm not sure why. I thought maybe the custom kernel is missing something needed to mount / detect the disk. |
| 20:18.43 | greycat | Kirito: did you configure it using all of the settings a Debian kernel needs, for init initramfs and all that fun stuff? |
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| 20:26.32 | Kirito | greycat, Not sure, is why I was asking :D may have accidentally disabled something it needed by accident. It's for a Vagrant box / VM, so I was trying to keep it stripped down of things it would obviously have no use of. Is there a list of required configuration options somewhere by chance? |
| 20:27.43 | greycat | If it's not in the kernel handbook, then I don't know. |
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| 20:32.48 | Slimmy | hello |
| 20:34.08 | Slimmy | every time I boot my pc i get "Waiting for dev-disk-by/(stuff). I have been getting this ever since I changed my partitions. It waits up to one and a half minute and then just boots up. How can change this? |
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| 20:35.16 | greycat | Slimmy: probably coming from an old entry in /etc/fstab |
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| 20:36.35 | Slimmy | greycat: I do ls /etc/fstab and get nothing |
| 20:36.54 | towo` | Slimmy, you have to look in the fstab |
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| 20:37.01 | towo` | Slimmy, not ls it |
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| 20:37.04 | greycat | That file should definitely exist. |
| 20:37.08 | Slimmy | towo: how? |
| 20:37.14 | towo` | cat? |
| 20:37.26 | greycat | So, "ls /etc/fstab" should have given you the file's name, not "nothing", and not an error. |
| 20:37.29 | Slimmy | towo: I get it |
| 20:37.33 | towo` | and compare the entrys with your real situation |
| 20:37.43 | Slimmy | greycat: said that wrong |
| 20:37.55 | Slimmy | towo: alright thank you. Im taking a look right now |
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| 20:38.46 | Slimmy | These are the partitions it automatically mounts during boot time right? |
| 20:38.50 | greycat | yes |
| 20:38.52 | Elenh[no_prv] | hi |
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| 20:39.40 | Slimmy | greycat: so I'm not being risky deleting stuff here. I just see my old fedora partition and my swap ones |
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| 20:40.40 | greycat | Only change the lines you *have* to change to make the file reflect your current disk layout. And consider using comments (# in front of the line) rather than deleting a line, so you can undo the changes easily if you screw up. |
| 20:40.55 | greycat | It's a rather important file. |
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| 20:41.49 | Slimmy | greycat: Thanks a lot |
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| 20:42.22 | Slimmy | Thank you for the swift and accurate answers. I'm doing a reboot |
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| 20:47.57 | RoyK | http://paste.debian.net/378023/ <-- just wonder - what the hell does mean? it's from dmesg |
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| 20:48.59 | greycat | I would wonder what you are doing every 5 minutes that causes the kernel to probe disks. |
| 20:49.46 | greycat | Every ... 5 minutes and 10 seconds, very regularly. Most intriguing. |
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| 20:56.19 | RoyK | greycat: can't find anything in cron |
| 20:56.25 | RoyK | greycat: so no idea, really |
| 20:56.36 | greycat | The extra 10 seconds makes it unlikely to be cron. |
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| 20:56.52 | hiya | iptables help? |
| 20:57.11 | greycat | It acts more like a single long-running process that takes 10 seconds to do stuff, then sleeps for 5 minutes, and repeats. |
| 20:57.43 | greycat | My first guess would be some part of a desktop environment. |
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| 20:58.00 | aedinius | hiya: What's your question? |
| 20:58.05 | hiya | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.07 | hiya | aedinius, ^ |
| 20:58.11 | aedinius | Ah. |
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| 21:20.36 | slurpage | i've got this weird video problem, when i watch video in iceweasel, all my menus go blank, it's an intel 82Q35 |
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| 21:29.03 | lszyba1 | hello, I'm trying to install debian stable on nvme drive (dell e7470) but it doen't detect drives..I see https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/grub-installer.git/commit/?id=beca4ad but this is for grub-install...is there a way to tell debian expert mode about the /dev/nvme drives? |
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| 21:29.22 | livingroom | hello debian folks! i have a not-debian question that you might be able to answer, do you mind if i ask? |
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| 21:30.18 | teward | livingroom: if it's a non-Debian question it should not be asked in #debian most likely |
| 21:30.22 | Doyle_krux | Hey. In Jessie, what's the best way to run a script before a service starts? A pre-script... |
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| 21:31.23 | markybob | Doyle_krux, you can edit the service's initd script in /etc/init.d ... |
| 21:31.37 | Elenh[no_prv] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj7TzvrBdI8 |
| 21:31.37 | markybob | livingroom, #debian-offtopic for non-debian questions |
| 21:31.39 | livingroom | well, it's more of an infosec type question, but you guys are pretty smart in here |
| 21:31.46 | livingroom | ok thx |
| 21:31.55 | Doyle_krux | markybob, Sure, but wondering if there's a method for systemd |
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| 21:35.54 | slurpage | i think it might be some gtk keybinding issue with the 82Q35 video module, has anyone seen this before? it's drivng me nuts |
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| 21:39.25 | lszyba1 | hello, is there an updated debian installer that works with nvme drives? |
| 21:39.49 | markybob | lszyba1, cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ is probably what you want |
| 21:39.58 | teraflops | Doyle_krux: ExecStartPre= |
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| 21:40.47 | teraflops | Doyle_krux: man systemd.service |
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| 21:45.38 | KhazAkar | Hi all again. Somebody know how to run vmware workstation on Debian? |
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| 21:48.20 | Doyle_krux | ty teraflops |
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| 21:48.43 | teraflops | Doyle_krux: np |
| 21:48.54 | KhazAkar | Ok,I want to run vmware workstation 12,I use Debian unstable + experimental + incoming,It Just don't appear. Chsnge ld_library_path to pÅacÄ wgere non-boist library exist gui run to end the configuration,but It cannot proceed. |
| 21:49.34 | KhazAkar | Place * where * change* |
| 21:49.54 | markybob | KhazAkar, that sounds awful. anyway, the place for anything newer than stable is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:51.02 | KhazAkar | I know,I'm writting from android Phone. It's related to boost libraries,which jessie have too. |
| 21:51.20 | markybob | KhazAkar, it's not jessie. read the /topic please |
| 21:51.44 | KhazAkar | I know,but boost libraries are in jessie too,right? |
| 21:51.54 | markybob | KhazAkar, not the same ones, no. |
| 21:52.20 | KhazAkar | So jessie dont use boost libraries, only normal? |
| 21:52.26 | markybob | KhazAkar, you've already been told where to get help. complaining won't help |
| 21:52.43 | KhazAkar | I'm not complaining,eh |
| 21:53.01 | KhazAkar | Ok,thanks for the help anyways. |
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| 21:57.05 | lszyba1 | markybob: any idea why downloads are so slow 300kb...this will take hours ... |
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| 21:58.34 | markybob | lszyba1, *shrug* i don't run the server/network |
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| 21:59.56 | jeep | lszyba1: try a different mirror maybe ? |
| 22:00.25 | markybob | i don't know of another for firmware installer |
| 22:01.04 | lszyba1 | jeep: what are some other mirrors? |
| 22:01.58 | jeep | lszyba1: im not sure what your downloading .. however there are many debian mirrors |
| 22:02.18 | markybob | jeep, firmware installer cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 22:11.41 | jeep | lszyba1: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ if you scroll down there are more mirrors .. not sure if they all have that image you need might take some digging around |
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| 22:14.07 | lszyba1 | jeep: is there any that have the non-free iso? I can't seem to locate one... |
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| 22:15.09 | markybob | lszyba1, i linked you to the non-free firmware installer... |
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| 22:18.03 | fnstudio | hi, dist-upgrading my sid was trying to remove virtualenv and python-virtualenv - is that ok? |
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| 22:18.43 | markybob | fnstudio, sid support is in #debian-next on irf.oftc.net per /topic |
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| 22:20.01 | markybob | fnstudio, irc* |
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| 22:20.15 | teraflops | fnstudio: who knows ... it's also called unstable |
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| 22:22.50 | macsim | hi is it possible to get the same ouput from #systemctrl restart apache2 like #/etc/init.d/apache2 restart ? |
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| 22:25.44 | greycat | I assume you mean "I want verbose feedback when restarting apache2 on jessie the way I used to get on wheezy", and no. No, you can't. |
| 22:25.55 | svetlana | macsim: I would probably ask #systemd and share their response here, if successful. I was also wondering about the same. |
| 22:26.04 | greycat | It's a frequently asked question. |
| 22:26.08 | svetlana | I see. |
| 22:26.12 | macsim | greycat, pardon my english yes I want the same output at least something tell me it's ok |
| 22:26.42 | greycat | A change like that really needs to happen within systemd. Any hacks we could recommend in the meantime would be really inadequate. |
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| 22:27.15 | greycat | But it's too late in the day to get into this, so ... see what the systemd channel says about it. |
| 22:27.42 | macsim | greycat, I'm a bit upset with it because nothing tell me if command is right or wrong |
| 22:27.56 | macsim | I have to add a systemctrl status to see what's happen |
| 22:28.14 | macsim | 2 commands when it was 1 before :/ |
| 22:29.12 | jeep | macsim: alias the two commands into one for convenience |
| 22:29.30 | macsim | jeep,omg |
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| 22:30.24 | macsim | jeep, I just want to know if it's ok of it fail not see 20 lines of informations |
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| 22:36.37 | deni | anyone having issue with totem and h264 videos? |
| 22:36.50 | deni | I was playing those just fine a while ago and now totem complains that codes is not installed |
| 22:36.59 | deni | (I am running sid though) |
| 22:37.23 | deni | I can never remember what gstreamer package to install for those |
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| 22:38.16 | chewieQC | Usually I never get codec error with vlc, but I'm not sure if codec support is in a lib or built-in |
| 22:38.36 | chewieQC | But might be worth trying out |
| 22:38.44 | deni | chewieQC: vlc works fine |
| 22:38.51 | deni | but it's not the default player |
| 22:39.05 | deni | I really want to figure what caused totem to not work all of a sudden |
| 22:39.13 | deni | since it worked just a couple of days ago |
| 22:39.24 | markybob | deni, are you using jessie? |
| 22:39.30 | deni | markybob: sid |
| 22:39.36 | markybob | deni, sid support is in #debian-next on irf.oftc.net per /topic |
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| 22:39.52 | markybob | damnit, again. irc* |
| 22:41.50 | deni | it's super inconvenient that that's on a different server in a different channel |
| 22:42.10 | markybob | deni, i'm sorry. i'm pretty inconvenient that users ask for help in the wrong place |
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| 22:42.44 | deni | markybob: I wasn't trying to be snarky...I know of that server and I know of debian-next but I always come here first non the less |
| 22:42.45 | deni | just saying |
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| 22:42.56 | Spec | it is weird, it's like both these problems are related |
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| 22:45.03 | slurpage | deni, i'm on jessie and i'm having trouble with gstreamer plugins in iceweasel |
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| 22:45.33 | deni | slurpage: ugh..I had those.... I can't remember how i fixed those |
| 22:45.53 | deni | I think i just disabled gstremer in about:config but that left me with only the ability to play very low quality videos |
| 22:46.11 | deni | I think it just went away at some point |
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| 22:46.32 | deni | (again I'm on sid sooo....) |
| 22:46.48 | slurpage | deni, thanks, i'll give that a shot |
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| 22:50.07 | vlt | Hello. How can I troubleshoot a "bash: ./my_file: File or directory not found" error when ./my_file is actually there, I can read it and it has x permission? (The error msg shown is translated from German.) |
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| 22:52.11 | at0m | vlt: try using full path |
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| 22:52.31 | chewieQC | vlt: is it there when you type: ls |
| 22:52.41 | vlt | at0m: I did. |
| 22:52.43 | vlt | chewieQC: Yes. |
| 22:54.51 | fnstudio | markybob: ah right, thanks, I'll ask there then |
| 22:55.02 | chewieQC | vlt: that is weird |
| 22:55.17 | vlt | Weird, yes. Other scripts in the same directory run fine. |
| 22:55.25 | jeddi | vlt: permissions of my_file ? |
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| 22:55.40 | jeddi | vlt: and ownership? |
| 22:55.44 | deni | fwiw doing sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0 --reinstall --purge fixed the issue with totem |
| 22:55.50 | vlt | jeddi: 0770, I am root |
| 22:55.50 | chewieQC | if you move it and run it again? |
| 22:55.55 | deni | very windows like |
| 22:56.07 | jeddi | vlt: and i'm assuming first line is the shebang to bash? |
| 22:56.32 | vlt | jeddi: No, something with ELF |
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| 22:57.06 | jeddi | vlt: what does file report? |
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| 22:57.25 | jeddi | vlt: and has it executed previously on this machine? |
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| 22:58.39 | vlt | file says "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped" |
| 22:58.49 | vlt | Iâm trying to run it for the first time. |
| 22:59.20 | jeddi | vlt: are you in fact on an architecture that's compatible with this binary? |
| 22:59.24 | vlt | Iâm on current Debian amd_64 |
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| 23:00.11 | quantic | vlt: And do you have the 32-bit compatibility libraries installed? |
| 23:00.18 | jeddi | vlt: it probably won't work, but you could try strace: host:~# strace my_file |
| 23:00.41 | quantic | vlt: ldd ./my_file and see if it reports missing libraries. |
| 23:00.42 | jeddi | good call - multi-arch. much fun. |
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| 23:01.02 | vlt | quantic: Itâs a fresh debootstrapped installation. |
| 23:01.05 | vlt | Iâll check ldd |
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| 23:01.41 | vlt | "not a dynamic executable" |
| 23:01.44 | vlt | hmm |
| 23:02.13 | jeddi | vlt: what's the provenance of this binary? (insert usual cautions about running, as root, binary blobs from dubious sources :) |
| 23:03.18 | vlt | jeddi: This is an isolated machine. Itâs only purpose is to run this proprietary software. The installation guide so far has been excellent. |
| 23:03.26 | vlt | *Its |
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| 23:05.23 | vlt | quantic: What libs do I need to run 32-bit executables? |
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| 23:06.03 | slurpage | sometimes non-ascii based glyphs can't be interpreted by the shell |
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| 23:13.00 | jeddi | vlt: multiarch-support |
| 23:13.14 | stacks88 | anyone happen to know how to set things up so that when i run apt-get dist-upgrade , when it goes to install a new kernel, it also makes sure to install the kernel headers package(s) for said kernel ? otherwise, i end up having to manually apt-get install (kernel headers package).. |
| 23:14.07 | vlt | jeddi, quantic: Thank you so much! `dpkg --add-architecture i386` install libfooX.Y:i386 |
| 23:14.19 | vlt | solved it. |
| 23:14.28 | vlt | +apt |
| 23:14.30 | jeddi | vlt: excellent. hope it's worth the trouble. : ) |
| 23:14.33 | markybob | stacks88, if you install the meta package for the kernel and headers it'll do it. for example linux-headers-amd64 instead of a specific version |
| 23:15.58 | vlt | jeddi: Itâs a company requirement. I said proprietary ⦠fine, but only in a separate VM ;-) |
| 23:16.58 | stacks88 | markybob, in this instance, all i am doing is apt-get dist-upgrade , that is it. but because ive got virtualbox installed, it is executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms during the dist-upgrade and then it tells me my kernel headers cant be found, and says or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located -- so you're saying next time, if i know there needs to be a new kernel |
| 23:16.59 | stacks88 | installed, i should just apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 , then apt-get dist-upgrade ? I just thought there was a way to tell apt or the system that hey if you're going to do a dist-upgrade and give me a new kernel, make sure to give me the headers too |
| 23:17.41 | markybob | stacks88, yes. install the meta package now. so next time dist-upgrade will automatically pull it |
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| 23:18.55 | stacks88 | ah i see.. ok thanks |
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| 23:25.49 | stacks88 | thanks markybob |
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| 23:44.04 | slurpage | deni reinstalling gstreamer fixed my problem as well, it seems to be mutating or something |
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