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| 00:14.03 | aleksa | hello! I'm missing /ect/X11/xkb/symbols |
| 00:14.08 | aleksa | how is it possible? |
| 00:14.15 | aleksa | freshly installed debian jessie |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | judd: file X11/xkb/symbols |
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| 00:14.30 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | me too! |
| 00:14.54 | aleksa | it's supposed to be directory with files |
| 00:15.08 | aleksa | it used to be |
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| 00:18.34 | aleksa | tomaw, would you happen to know why am I missing /ect/X11/xkb/symbols ? |
| 00:18.41 | aleksa | I'm on debian 8 |
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| 00:20.15 | D4nGer0us | aleksa: checking /etc (not /ect) I suppose |
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| 00:20.38 | abrotman | aleksa: what file do you want in there? |
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| 00:21.38 | aleksa | it is etc |
| 00:21.47 | aleksa | symbols is directory |
| 00:21.55 | aleksa | in which there are many files |
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| 00:22.08 | aleksa | one of them is the one I edit for keyboard layout |
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| 00:25.14 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:25.14 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 00:27.06 | aleksa | done it and still no symbols directory |
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| 00:42.55 | bhuvi | !vlc |
| 00:42.55 | dpkg | VLC media player is a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.html #videolan on irc.videolan.org. |
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| 00:59.27 | prototron | hello |
| 00:59.45 | prototron | I have problems mounting my samba drive at boot |
| 01:00.12 | prototron | it seems that it tries to mount it before the network is loaded and connected |
| 01:00.40 | prototron | it mounts fine when "sudo mount -a" |
| 01:01.34 | markybob | prototron, you might want to think about using autofs |
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| 01:02.58 | prototron | ok |
| 01:03.06 | prototron | googling it |
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| 01:03.23 | markybob | prototron, it's a ubuntu wiki but it's pretty good. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs |
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| 01:11.18 | stormysea | Hi, I've used Arch Linux for the past year and a half, and I'm wondering if there is a "minimal" version of Debian that only installs the package manager and other core utils by default? |
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| 01:12.14 | markybob | stormysea, yes. it's called debian. the installer asks you if you want to install other things, such as desktops, etc. just don't choose to |
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| 01:12.34 | stormysea | oh, great. |
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| 01:15.15 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:15.15 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 01:15.55 | stormysea | thanks, dpkg |
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| 01:16.26 | markybob | abrotman, no one cares about you |
| 01:16.40 | dvs | who? |
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| 01:22.12 | stormysea | I'm reading the Debian docs, and they make a system upgrade seem quite involved. I'm coming from a rolling release distro... how long can I expect to spend upgrading Debian when a new release comes out? How likely is it that I'll run into some serious error, and have to restore from a backup? |
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| 01:23.22 | markybob | stormysea, it happens every three years or so, so it's not a big deal. it can take a good five hours for a production server |
| 01:24.37 | stormysea | Three years? Oh, wow. |
| 01:25.06 | stormysea | So, towards the end of the release cycle, I'll be using software that's three years old |
| 01:25.29 | markybob | stormysea, yes and no. you get security updates and serious bug fixes |
| 01:25.46 | markybob | stormysea, debian is meant to be secure/stable. that's the main goal |
| 01:25.53 | dvs | stormysea: And some packages get backported with newer versions |
| 01:26.07 | markybob | stormysea, right. check backports.debian.org |
| 01:26.09 | stormysea | oh, gotcha. Right, I remember someone mentioning back ports. |
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| 01:46.56 | abrotman | stormysea: more like two years |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | dpkg: release history |
| 01:47.02 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 01:49.33 | dvs | what about 1.01? |
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| 01:53.58 | nedstark | what happens when they run out |
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| 01:54.13 | nedstark | is there a contingency plan |
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| 01:54.40 | dvs | Cars? |
| 01:55.31 | abrotman | dvs: 1.0 wasn't a real release thanks to a magazine in Australia IIRC |
| 01:55.46 | abrotman | nedstark: they have plenty of names (Plus Toy Story 4 is coming) |
| 01:55.48 | dvs | That's why I asked for 1.01 which was the real release |
| 01:58.01 | abrotman | dvs: went straight to 1.1 |
| 01:58.13 | abrotman | dvs: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html No 1.0.1 |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | or 1.01 |
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| 02:26.31 | enoch85 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:27.33 | markybob | enoch85, stop it |
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| 02:29.30 | abrotman | enoch85: this is not a place to advertise your nonsense, take it elsewhere |
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| 02:42.06 | three_legs | can someone here that's running sid do a quick "sha512sum /usr/bin/ssh " so i can confirm that i'm getting a false positive for eurby |
| 02:42.12 | awal1 | Any plugin, extension... similar to 'gnome-sushi' for use with 'thunat' / 'pcmanfm'? Or how to make 'gnome-sushi' work with 'thunar' / 'pcmanfm' & vice-versa? |
| 02:42.29 | awal1 | thunar ^ |
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| 02:43.13 | abrotman | three_legs: this is on the website |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | three_legs: also, your architecture matters |
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| 02:49.41 | brguy | I'm passing through something funny. |
| 02:50.00 | brguy | fresh new debian server, I created an user and used ssh-id-copy, |
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| 02:50.13 | brguy | it copies perfectly, asking password, but right after don't accept the same password to login |
| 02:50.18 | brguy | what could it be? |
| 02:50.31 | brguy | it's not typo, I killed the machine and tried with other password |
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| 02:53.17 | socomm | brguy: Does your ssh key have a password? |
| 02:53.24 | brguy | socomm: it does not |
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| 02:53.52 | socomm | brguy: you can run ssh -vvv to view more detailed output. |
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| 02:54.01 | brguy | socomm: gonna try now, thanks |
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| 02:54.05 | socomm | EG: ssh -vvv user@host |
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| 02:55.39 | brguy | socomm: yes, I see the problem, but I don't get why - after sending my id_rsa key this shows up: "Authentications that can continue: publickey,password" |
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| 02:57.53 | brguy | sensitive data was removed https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aDsIUcqQ/ |
| 02:58.03 | brguy | socomm: here's the output^ |
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| 02:58.59 | abrotman | brguy: please ask #ubuntu, we don't support it here |
| 02:59.19 | brguy | abrotman: that's not an Ubuntu server, my local machine is ubuntu, where open_ssh is running |
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| 02:59.40 | socomm | brguy: Whats the content of 'ls ~/.ssh'? |
| 03:00.00 | socomm | brguy: Whats the content of 'ls -ltrF ~/.ssh'? |
| 03:00.25 | brguy | socomm: id_rsa pub and private files, the permissions should be ok, just a second |
| 03:00.28 | abrotman | it shows your local and remote version strings, both say Ubuntu |
| 03:01.21 | brguy | abrotman: funny, I asked for this image "Debian 8.2 x64" but previously it was an Ubuntu |
| 03:01.22 | socomm | brguy: Can you paste bin the output for that? |
| 03:01.53 | brguy | -rw-r--r-- 1 brguy brguy 397 Dez 27 15:39 id_rsa.pub |
| 03:01.53 | brguy | -rw------- 1 brguy brguy 1679 Dez 27 15:39 id_rsa |
| 03:01.53 | brguy | -rw------- 1 brguy brguy 4868 Fev 1 23:34 known_hosts.old |
| 03:01.53 | brguy | -rw------- 1 brguy brguy 4868 Fev 1 23:37 known_hosts |
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| 03:02.00 | socomm | Really not OS specific btw, if you wanted to you could ask on #openssh. |
| 03:02.06 | brguy | sorry, was supposed to go pastebin |
| 03:02.18 | brguy | socomm: thanks anyway :) |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | you'd want the ls -ld on $HOME/.ssh/ also |
| 03:02.45 | brguy | abrotman: the output was for that |
| 03:02.47 | socomm | brguy: I'd say make sure the public key you copied over is id_rsa.pub. |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | brguy: Also, I'd verify that OS .. not sure why the version string would seem to indicate it's a different OS |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | brguy: It didn't all come through |
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| 03:03.04 | abrotman | not that we want you to paste again here |
| 03:03.26 | brguy | abrotman: no, no, it went all, I was kicked after that |
| 03:03.29 | brguy | there's only that |
| 03:03.41 | brguy | I mean, I think, it showed that the three lines went |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | we see only files |
| 03:04.09 | socomm | brguy: Pastebin, and give link |
| 03:04.33 | brguy | socomm: I copied with the command ssh-copy-id |
| 03:04.37 | brguy | socomm, abrotman http://pastebin.com/3HxiU1Ah |
| 03:05.34 | brguy | socomm: there's no other key to be copied and ssh-copy-id should get the right one |
| 03:05.54 | brguy | when running ssh-copy-id no error was given |
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| 03:07.32 | socomm | This is your client, correct? |
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| 03:08.12 | brguy | socomm: yes, it is |
| 03:08.35 | brguy | abrotman: double checked on server, I'm running jessie there |
| 03:08.46 | socomm | Can you give us exact 'ssh-copy-id' command? It should be in your history. Also can you get the permissions for ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server? |
| 03:09.09 | abrotman | brguy: what's the permission of the local key? |
| 03:09.22 | abrotman | brguy: and again, what is ls -ld $HOME/.ssh/ |
| 03:09.28 | brguy | abrotman: it's on the pastebin above |
| 03:09.36 | abrotman | no |
| 03:09.44 | brguy | socomm: the command was "ssh brguy@server-ip" |
| 03:10.19 | brguy | opsis, "ssh-copy-id brguy@104.131.146.2xx" |
| 03:11.52 | socomm | brguy: So you need to specify the key. |
| 03:12.08 | socomm | ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@host |
| 03:12.12 | brguy | abrotman: the output of ls -ld $HOME/.ssh/ is "drwx------ 2 brguy brguy 4096 Fev 1 23:39 /home/brguy/.ssh/" |
| 03:12.18 | brguy | socomm: let me try that |
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| 03:13.11 | brguy | socomm: I tried, the server replied: "/usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: WARNING: All keys were skipped because they already exist on the remote system." |
| 03:13.32 | brguy | socomm: ssh-copy-id shouldn't get the only key that's installed in this client anyway? |
| 03:14.27 | socomm | brguy: You can have more than one key on the client, which is why you specify which you want send to the server. |
| 03:14.57 | socomm | If everything is fine as far as keys go, your next step is to check file permission both nodes. |
| 03:15.13 | socomm | Also, make sure the ssh server allows ssh key authentication. |
| 03:15.28 | socomm | From the looks of your output it does, but ... |
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| 03:18.37 | brguy | socomm: in this case this client does not have more keys... the permission on server is fine as well, it's "-rw-------" (I never now how to translate to numbers just by looking) - the ssh is working with the same key as root (default defined by DO) - tried logging in as user brguy when logged to the server and it also works with the password that is not |
| 03:18.37 | brguy | accepted when I try to ssh directly with that user |
| 03:18.50 | socomm | http://superuser.com/questions/215504/permissions-on-private-key-in-ssh-folder |
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| 03:19.18 | socomm | brguy: So, check your .pub file it needs to be permission 644. |
| 03:19.41 | socomm | brguy: Private key 600. |
| 03:19.58 | abrotman | eh, pub sohuldn't be 644 |
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| 03:20.12 | socomm | Which I think is what you have. |
| 03:20.49 | socomm | http://www.noah.org/wiki/SSH_public_keys#Permission_problems_with_SSH |
| 03:21.17 | brguy | changed to these permissions and tried to ssh again, user brguy is not accepted, but the ssh with root still working |
| 03:21.19 | socomm | Also check permissions on ~/.ssh/authorised_keys on the server. |
| 03:21.41 | brguy | on the server there are no authorised_keys, that's curious |
| 03:22.00 | brguy | I mean, sorry, yes there are |
| 03:22.05 | socomm | brguy: Well there's (part) your problem. |
| 03:22.05 | brguy | I'm gonna destroy that machine |
| 03:22.13 | brguy | and try again |
| 03:22.29 | brguy | this tutorial should work, right? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/initial-server-setup-with-debian-8 |
| 03:22.32 | brguy | there's nothing weird there |
| 03:23.24 | brguy | socomm: thanks, if that tutorial also don't work I'm going to #openssh to check what it could be, I'm not having any problems with other machines, but none are Debian, that's why I came here |
| 03:24.12 | socomm | All right. |
| 03:26.31 | awal1 | How to access via console to the sandboxes engaged (looking at chrome://sandbox (renderer processes) and chrome://gpu (gpu process).)? |
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| 03:34.02 | elias__0 | hey i'm having trouble with perl |
| 03:34.07 | elias__0 | the packages are broken |
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| 03:48.59 | simonlnu | helps to stick around after one asks a question like that ;) |
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| 03:53.48 | popnfloss | i remember there being a dpkg-reconfigure command that lets you set a hotkey for changing keyboard layouts |
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| 03:53.59 | popnfloss | like set capslock to switch between english and russian |
| 03:54.06 | popnfloss | does anyone know what im talking about |
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| 04:00.06 | n_blownapart | hi I have debian jessie on an i3 intel machine. My wifi reception is poor. speed tests show .05 kbps. my landlady came into my room with a macbook and her reading was 30 kbps. how should I test my system or dial it in? thanks |
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| 04:01.31 | popnfloss | beat up your landlady and steal her macbook |
| 04:01.40 | popnfloss | problem solved |
| 04:01.53 | simonlnu | ...and another one starts |
| 04:02.57 | awal1 | n_blownpart: try restarting network-manager then do a test with speedtest-cli |
| 04:03.30 | simonlnu | check your wifi router's antennae, the positioning of the machine, things like that. then try software. start with layer 1, then go up. |
| 04:05.16 | n_blownapart | awal1, thanks. restart network manager ? simonlnu : hold on thanks a new router was just installed. it must be my machine. |
| 04:05.25 | awal1 | Any clue on how to play with apt installs/purges/removes...without root privileges? |
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| 04:06.12 | awal1 | n_blownapart, as root run systemctl restart network-manager |
| 04:06.53 | simonlnu | requires root to do that stuff. or some sort of other privilege escalation like sudo. |
| 04:07.27 | simonlnu | n_blownapart: could be. |
| 04:07.37 | n_blownapart | awal1, thank you one moment please thanks simonlnu |
| 04:07.48 | awal1 | yes. root needed as I know, but -s (simulating) doesn't really help. |
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| 04:08.10 | awal1 | not enough verbose |
| 04:08.16 | simonlnu | not really, no, it only shows potential things. |
| 04:08.31 | simonlnu | you can set dpkg to be debug verbose. |
| 04:09.01 | simonlnu | (they changed the switches so i don't know, but man dpkg does) |
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| 04:10.28 | awal1 | hm, I want to learn about forcing removal of essential packs just for learn, but I won't heat 'Return' by error, thats why my ask |
| 04:10.57 | n_blownapart | http://pastie.org/10704953 results of speedtest simonlnu awal1 |
| 04:11.02 | simonlnu | um, you do that, you break stuff, unless you're testing packages you've made. |
| 04:12.03 | simonlnu | (or for someone else :) |
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| 04:14.28 | awal1 | n_blownapart, your upload speed sound like fine |
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| 04:15.04 | awal1 | have you restarted network manager daemon? |
| 04:15.20 | n_blownapart | awal1, yeah I'll do it again |
| 04:17.55 | n_blownapart | awal1, download is now reading 2.41 but still dismal webpage loading. should I try software installs to get it higher? |
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| 04:18.23 | awal1 | n_blownapart, software installs? |
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| 04:20.02 | awal1 | n_blownapart, "should I try software installs" means? |
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| 04:20.56 | n_blownapart | awal1, strange . I'm using this speedof.me site and now download say 820 kbps, upload 6.67. did restarting the network-manager fix it? I still have only one bar on my wifi icon. (someone suggested software ..sorry I'm a noob with linux) |
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| 04:21.47 | awal1 | n_blownapart, no body suggested you software installs :) |
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| 04:22.55 | n_blownapart | above someone said "then try software . start with layer 1, then go up." |
| 04:22.59 | n_blownapart | awal1, |
| 04:25.15 | awal1 | n_blownapart, you can try turning off your router during a few seconds and restart your debian machine. |
| 04:26.01 | simonlnu | !osi |
| 04:26.01 | dpkg | methinks osi is see <OSIRM> Application - 7, Presentation - 6, Transport - 5, Session - 4, Data Link - 3, Network - 2, Physical - 1.. Open Source Initiative |
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| 04:26.13 | n_blownapart | thanks a lot awal1 I'm working on it |
| 04:26.16 | simonlnu | that's what i meant ^^^ |
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| 04:26.44 | n_blownapart | simonlnu, sorry what do you mean? |
| 04:26.48 | awal1 | i dont know what to tell you right now. internet speed is a complicated thing. it can be a software related, hardware, stuffs like mtn and so |
| 04:27.27 | simonlnu | what i made the dpkg bot say, above |
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| 04:27.59 | n_blownapart | kindly elaborate simonlnu |
| 04:28.34 | simonlnu | when debugging a network, you start with the physical layer, then work your way up. |
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| 04:29.17 | BLABLA | hi |
| 04:29.25 | BLABLA | enable compositing x11??? |
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| 04:30.12 | n_blownapart | simonlnu, if you have time, could you walk me through it? |
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| 04:31.25 | BLABLA | how to enable transparency in xorg? |
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| 04:32.16 | awal1 | BLABLA, compton , xcompmgr...? |
| 04:32.51 | awal1 | almost compton |
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| 04:34.25 | BLABLA | I install xcompmgr now |
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| 04:35.23 | BLABLA | I installed xcompmgr |
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| 04:37.13 | BLABLA | hi |
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| 04:39.05 | BLABLA | how to enable transparency in xorg? |
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| 04:41.51 | awal1 | Boups, excuses. completion issue :P |
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| 04:42.37 | awal1 | BLABLA, which desktop environment window manager your run? |
| 04:42.49 | BLABLA | openbox |
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| 04:43.36 | awal1 | BLABLA, so install compton pack as I said you the add it to you autostart file. and you will be done |
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| 04:44.20 | awal1 | BLABLA, add it like this (sleep 3s && compton -b) & |
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| 04:44.32 | awal1 | or just compton -b & |
| 04:45.22 | BLABLA | What about xcompmgr? |
| 04:45.38 | awal1 | compton is based on |
| 04:46.56 | awal1 | it have more features |
| 04:47.05 | awal1 | try them both |
| 04:47.32 | BLABLA | compton -b & |
| 04:47.38 | awal1 | I dont use xcompmgr specifically , so no idea about it |
| 04:47.39 | BLABLA | xcompmgr? |
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| 04:48.05 | BLABLA | xcompmgr in autostart ?? |
| 04:48.24 | awal1 | don't know |
| 04:48.35 | BLABLA | ok |
| 04:48.48 | awal1 | google it or check #openbox in oftc |
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| 04:49.24 | BLABLA | did i delete xcompmgr? |
| 04:51.08 | BLABLA | After installing xcompmgr, I found the clarity of vision. |
| 04:51.42 | BLABLA | true? |
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| 04:53.33 | BLABLA | ok, Anyway, Thank you. awal1 |
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| 04:56.08 | awal1 | BLABLA, you can have both installed, try them both and see... |
| 04:59.23 | BLABLA | ok, Thank you. awal1 |
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| 06:24.06 | n_blownapart | hi a poor wifi connection because of a missing driver. this is a comment I got from another channel. any suggestions? " The reason for the bad connection is because of this outdated driver. But this driver is on a repository that isn't maintained anymore, along with linux-build-essentials (which you need to make the alx-patch.txt). I've been trying to install build essentials but I can't seem to find a repository that has it." |
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| 06:27.01 | cafuego | the package is `build-essential` |
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| 06:28.13 | n_blownapart | cafuego, thanks !! |
| 06:31.03 | n_blownapart | cafuego, is this correct? : sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic build-essential |
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| 06:31.52 | cafuego | n_blownapart: In theory yes, in practice, you should chekc that the headers for the current kernel version are installed as depend when you run that. |
| 06:32.11 | cafuego | If not, 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)' |
| 06:32.43 | n_blownapart | cafuego, I'm having a hell of a time. someone is helping on the linux channel. kindly stand by if you can... |
| 06:33.10 | cafuego | I'm runnning away to organise dinner |
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| 06:33.47 | n_blownapart | my kernel is 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 06:33.47 | n_blownapart | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.59 | k_sze[work] | man, how do you lift a UPS into a rack? That thing is crazy heavy. XD |
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| 06:34.29 | cafuego | k_sze[work]: You put it in front with a post-it note on there for the night shift. Should be done by morning :-) |
| 06:34.43 | k_sze[work] | lol |
| 06:35.00 | cafuego | If you're the night shift... |
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| 07:06.17 | gaurishankar_ | I had performed upgrade from debian jessiee 8.2 to 8.3 but it is not updating the base files and still showing debian jessie 8.2 server |
| 07:06.20 | gaurishankar_ | please Help |
| 07:06.52 | gaurishankar_ | is there ne one |
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| 07:10.27 | gaurishankar_ | hi ixfi |
| 07:10.32 | gaurishankar_ | hi uxfi |
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| 07:12.37 | wyoung | ok so how do I restart rsyslog to make it re-read it's configuration files? I tried the service command, /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart, killall -HUP rsyslogd, none seem to work |
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| 07:13.22 | wyoung | (I am trying to log local5 to a different file, I copied config I used to log local6 and local7 which works fine) |
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| 07:16.06 | muten-roshi | hello |
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| 07:19.05 | muten-roshi | is there sublime-text-2 in Debian repo? |
| 07:19.22 | muten-roshi | can't seem to find it. |
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| 07:19.49 | wyoung | muten-roshi: hi |
| 07:20.07 | wyoung | muten-roshi: is sublime free and open source? |
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| 07:20.28 | wyoung | muten-roshi: or is it under a commerical licence? |
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| 07:21.09 | NoCode | Hi, I just installed Debian 8 on my VPS, apparently it has the shellshock security vulnerability. How would I fix it? |
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| 07:22.48 | muten-roshi | wyoung: it is free to download but a license must be purchased for continuous use as stated in their site. |
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| 07:26.15 | muten-roshi | anyways never mind wyoung. I will use Lime instead which is kind of like a clone but open source and free |
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| 07:40.48 | muten-roshi | can anyone tell me what modification i could make to this to make it work on debian jessie? the instructions are for Debian sid |
| 07:40.56 | muten-roshi | https://github.com/limetext/lime/wiki/Building-on-Debian-Sid |
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| 07:48.42 | jim | muten-roshi, didn't you say you have debian 8? |
| 07:49.14 | muten-roshi | yeah |
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| 07:50.46 | jim | hmm. that link says debian sid... you might need something like Building-On-Debian-Jessie (jessie happens to be stable, sid, it |
| 07:50.58 | jim | is considered unstable |
| 07:51.40 | babilen | (hence the question regarding modifications to that procedure) |
| 07:51.54 | jim | I'll try that again, forgot a paren |
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| 07:52.20 | jim | hmm. that link says debian sid... you might need something like Building-On-Debian-Jessie (jessie happens to be stable), sid, it is considered unstable |
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| 07:52.59 | jim | babilen, hmm, so you're already past that |
| 07:52.59 | Lope | the mongodb user's default shell is /bin/false. So how do they manage to get it to run the mongod executable? If I try something like `su mongodb -c whoami` it simply does not work. But if I try a user with real shell access, it works. Can anyone enlighten me please? |
| 07:54.05 | jim | Lope, just so you know, there are horror stories floating around about mongo... what do you want a db for? |
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| 07:54.09 | muten-roshi | no worries i will just use Kate for now :p |
| 07:54.13 | jim | learning dbs? |
| 07:54.16 | grawity | Lope: services aren't run via the login shell, that's how |
| 07:54.23 | muten-roshi | anyways i have this error showing up when i try sudo apt-get update |
| 07:54.28 | muten-roshi | E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tox.list (dist parse) |
| 07:54.28 | muten-roshi | E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 07:54.45 | Lope | jim: I use it for my web app? what horror stories? I've heard the odd rumor that it lost someone's data... Is that what you mean? |
| 07:54.59 | babilen | muten-roshi: Those instructions are horrible and there really is *no* need to download golang-go manually. If limetext doesn't support Go >= 1.3 then I would strongly suggest to wait until they do. |
| 07:55.21 | muten-roshi | ok babilen |
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| 07:55.32 | Lope | grawity: well, if I need to run services from a bash script, do you recommend I give those users real shell access? |
| 07:55.39 | babilen | muten-roshi: Could you paste /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tox.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 07:55.52 | muten-roshi | it's just one line :P |
| 07:55.55 | jim | Lope, I'm not sure the specifics... can the web app use other dbs? |
| 07:56.20 | Lope | jim: I'm writing it myself. I like mongoDB. I've used mysql. It's a pain in the nutsack in comparison. |
| 07:56.24 | grawity | Lope: no |
| 07:56.36 | grawity | Lope: what precisely does your bash script do? |
| 07:56.43 | muten-roshi | deb https://pkg.tox.chat/debian nightly |
| 07:56.52 | Lope | jim: Until I hear some specifics I'm not going to worry about it. |
| 07:56.53 | muten-roshi | that's all in that tox.list |
| 07:56.53 | grawity | Lope: why can't it run `service mongo start` or such? |
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| 07:57.52 | Lope | grawity: I prefer to run mongo myself with commandline switches. But that's besides the point. I just want to know about su'ing processes under users with no shell access. Is it possible to do it from a bash script? |
| 07:57.56 | babilen | muten-roshi: Why did you add that? |
| 07:58.12 | jim | Lope, maybe it's FUD... but I heard the word "broken"... if you're writing a web app yourself, do you have a data model yet? -maybe- consider postgres, you might find it to be good quality |
| 07:58.23 | muten-roshi | i was trying to get tox chat client |
| 07:58.34 | Lope | I dislike postgres more than I dislike mysql. |
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| 07:59.03 | Lope | I don't have a fixed data model. still under heavy development. Yeah ghost stories don't scare me. |
| 07:59.08 | jim | Lope, hmm... did I tell you about MIT OCW? |
| 07:59.24 | babilen | muten-roshi: I guess there is a "jessie" missing at the end, but this is an unsupported third-party repositories. You might want to refer to instructions provided by tox upstream |
| 07:59.26 | Lope | If mongo was really broken there wouldn't be millions of people using it all over the world. |
| 07:59.42 | Lope | jim: no |
| 07:59.51 | jim | maybe they fixed it? |
| 07:59.52 | grawity | if postgres was really worth hating there wouldn't be millions of people using it all oer the world |
| 08:00.01 | grawity | anyway, su has an option to skip the login shell |
| 08:00.06 | grawity | or you could try runuser instead |
| 08:00.10 | grawity | or, in fact, start-stop-daemon. |
| 08:01.01 | jim | Lope, maybe MIT course 6.171 might interest you... materials available thru MIT's Open CourseWare (OCW) |
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| 08:02.17 | muten-roshi | babilen : ah ok thanks. I was actually following the instructions in Tox Wiki for Debian it said to replace $CODENAME with my distributions release name (Jessie in my case). I did not read that part and instead copy-pasted the whole thing without modification :P |
| 08:02.24 | muten-roshi | i will edit it now thanks |
| 08:02.46 | jim | Lope, earlier version of 6.171, 6.916 |
| 08:02.54 | Lope | jim: thanks dude, I'm not looking to do any courses |
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| 08:03.39 | babilen | muten-roshi: I'd like to point out that adding random third-party repositories, downloading tarballs from $SOMEWHERE and so on is a sure way to break your Debian installation. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian has a few other |
| 08:03.39 | jim | also Phil Greenspun wrote something that might interest you... sec |
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| 08:04.00 | vali | hi guys |
| 08:04.22 | vali | I have a little problem with ipv6 on a xen box running jessie (was upgrade from wheezy ) |
| 08:04.35 | vali | on wheezy ipv6 was working fine, after the upgrade it stopped |
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| 08:04.47 | vali | I see the kernel routing table... I see packets coming in tcpdump |
| 08:05.00 | vali | Nothing going out unfortunately |
| 08:05.02 | vali | any ideas? |
| 08:05.14 | grawity | vali: do you see at least neighbour discovery packets? |
| 08:05.23 | vali | grawity, yes |
| 08:05.29 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 08:05.34 | grawity | vali: outgoing ones, specifically? |
| 08:05.37 | grawity | and incoming replies to those? |
| 08:05.41 | darxmurf | anybody is familiar with netapp machines conf ? |
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| 08:05.57 | jim | Lope, http://philip.greenspun.com/seia/ |
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| 08:06.50 | vali | grawity, doing a tcpdump now. I'll be back in 2 minutes |
| 08:06.52 | jim | Lope, and http://philip.greenspun.com/sql/ |
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| 08:08.22 | muten-roshi | babilen : damn :P i am guilty of some of the things mentioned there :( |
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| 08:08.52 | Lope | jim: thanks, I'm not looking for any software engineering courses though. It's kind of you to share this, but unsolicited and unwanted at this time. |
| 08:09.05 | babilen | muten-roshi: Be aware of their ramifications! You can do a lot of these things in a save manner, but they tend to cause a lot of headache. |
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| 08:09.44 | muten-roshi | guess i will use Virtual Box and then play around |
| 08:09.56 | jim | Lope, ok... you might as well bookmark it |
| 08:10.31 | Lope | jim, you're being a bit too pushy. I'm really not interested. |
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| 08:12.39 | Lope | let's just say I've been programming for nearly 20 years. I've tried many different types of programming and types of programming languages, various database engines and so on and so fourth. I'm not looking for any university courses on software engineering. |
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| 08:13.50 | Lope | I've been exposed to so many languages/paradigms and ways of doing things. If I want something, I'll go find it. Not looking to learn any 101's or 202. 303 style courses. |
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| 08:14.25 | bhuddah | if you make it to 1001 you can do arabian nights. |
| 08:14.36 | babilen | +1 (also â #debian-offtopic and lets focus on support in here) |
| 08:14.54 | vali | grawity, I can see packets like -> ip6-allnodes: [icmp6 sum ok] ICMP6, router advertisement, length 64 |
| 08:15.02 | vali | ping6 and other requests |
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| 08:16.02 | aZz7eCh | Q: is there an extension that improves the 'copy/move |
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| 08:16.16 | n_blownapart | hi I attempted to install a wifi driver and patch but the driver is not reading my network card |
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| 08:16.26 | grawity | vali: but what about ICMP6 neighbour solocitations? |
| 08:16.32 | grawity | solicitations* |
| 08:16.32 | n_blownapart | could anyone help me with that? |
| 08:16.37 | aZz7eCh | Q: is there an extension that improves the 'copy/move' functionallity of nautilus (or whatever this default file manager program is) ... so that you can pause copies etc.. ? |
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| 08:16.57 | Lope | mongodb ate my homework |
| 08:17.26 | vali | grawity, I can see those only on the vif interface for that machine |
| 08:17.32 | vali | grawity, nothing on the box itself |
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| 08:20.10 | vali | grawity, I've started sniffing the ip6 traffic again on the vif to be sure that I can see neighbour solocitations |
| 08:20.20 | vali | So I don't say crappy stuff |
| 08:21.16 | vali | and I forgot the mention that ipv6 is setup static in interfaces |
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| 08:22.08 | vali | grawity, ok..no neighbour solocitations... |
| 08:22.25 | vali | I can see it on the other vif's for 2 other machines but not for this one |
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| 08:22.30 | vali | the other 2 are running wheezy |
| 08:22.41 | grawity | what if you manually run `ndisc6 <router_ip> eth0` |
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| 08:22.53 | wyoung | so no one knows the answer? |
| 08:22.55 | grawity | could always be a kernel issue, I dunno. |
| 08:23.07 | grawity | has had quite a few ipv6-related panics recently |
| 08:23.09 | n_blownapart | anyone know the apt-get build-essential command that ends with $(uname -r) ? |
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| 08:24.03 | vali | grawity, it's timing out |
| 08:24.21 | babilen | n_blownapart: Which card do you have? (i.e. What is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ?) |
| 08:24.21 | wyoung | grawity: never used it, how is it/. |
| 08:24.37 | vali | grawity, running -> 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:28.19 | n_blownapart | babilen, thanks one sec |
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| 08:28.40 | gaurishankar_ | I had performed upgrade from debian jessiee 8.2 to 8.3 but it is not updating the base files and still showing debian jessie 8.2 server |
| 08:29.10 | n_blownapart | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0036] (rev 01) |
| 08:29.11 | n_blownapart | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.09 | babilen | n_blownapart: Thanks! You are using jessie? |
| 08:30.22 | n_blownapart | I spent three hours with help getting the right driver. I cannot install 'build-essential linux-headers-generic' |
| 08:30.37 | n_blownapart | yes jessie 8 |
| 08:30.41 | babilen | That card is support by ath9k in the kernel |
| 08:31.07 | n_blownapart | babilen, apparently the card is not being read by the driver |
| 08:31.18 | babilen | How so? |
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| 08:31.46 | n_blownapart | please look at this output babilen https://www.refheap.com/114356 |
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| 08:32.44 | n_blownapart | I'm getting a very weak signal from wifi, on a clean install of jessie 8 , on an intel i3 chip machine. |
| 08:32.54 | babilen | n_blownapart: What does "modprobe -r ath9k ; modprobe ath9k ; dmesg|tail -n23", "iwconfig" and "uname -a" give you? |
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| 08:33.09 | babilen | So, you *do* get a signal? |
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| 08:33.46 | babilen | n_blownapart: That output looks perfectly fine |
| 08:34.00 | n_blownapart | hold on I need to install modprobe |
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| 08:36.22 | n_blownapart | babilen, modprobe : command not found. dmesg | ... : https://www.refheap.com/114357 |
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| 08:38.56 | n_blownapart | babilen, https://www.refheap.com/114358 -- uname -a output |
| 08:39.47 | dagerik | apt-cache policy node shows 0.3.2-7.4 0. which of these numbers is the nodejs version> |
| 08:40.06 | babilen | n_blownapart: You would, naturally, have to run modprobe as root (or with sudo) and it is more than appreciated if you could put the output of all commands into a single pastebin. (cuts down on tabs) |
| 08:40.10 | bazhang | ,v nodejs |
| 08:40.12 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; sid: 4.2.6~dfsg-1; stretch: 4.2.6~dfsg-1; experimental: 5.5.0~dfsg-1 |
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| 08:41.16 | n_blownapart | babilen, sure sorry I've been at it for hours...one moment please |
| 08:41.25 | babilen | n_blownapart: modprobe is the program that inserts or removes kernel modules. I want it to cycle the module for your network card and see the effect of that. Also: The problem is *not* that the card is not usable at all, but that the reception is bad? |
| 08:41.58 | babilen | Because if that is the case there is little to be gained by trying to compile an out-of-tree kernel module |
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| 08:42.32 | wyoung | any one? |
| 08:42.40 | n_blownapart | sudo modprobe ath9k returns nothing babilen . |
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| 08:43.55 | babilen | n_blownapart: Yes, the part that returns something is "dmesg|tail -n23" which is why the *complete* and *single* command I want you to run is "modprobe -r ath9k ; modprobe ath9k ; dmesg|tail -n23" |
| 08:45.16 | babilen | n_blownapart: But again: Does your card work, but the problem is that the reception is bad? |
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| 08:47.19 | eject_ck | With Stretch I can do installation to server with LSI 9271-8i, but it don't boots droping to busybox |
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| 08:47.31 | eject_ck | there is screenshot http://snag.gy/n68cT.jpg |
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| 08:48.09 | fgh | hi, is there a bin-package of grive for wheezy anywhere to be find? |
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| 08:51.29 | eject_ck | changing sdb2 to sda2 in grub console solved problem |
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| 08:54.19 | n_blownapart | babilen, apologies I lost my connection. one moment |
| 08:55.49 | n_blownapart | output of iwconfig : https://www.refheap.com/114359 babilen |
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| 08:56.45 | grawity | fwiw, these days it's `iw wlan0 link`, `iw wlan0 station dump` |
| 08:57.04 | babilen | n_blownapart: That looks great and appears to be working just fine. |
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| 08:58.28 | n_blownapart | babilen, thank you, my landlady came into my room with a macbook and the reception was excellent. I'm getting barely 1.5 Mbps on downloads. what about modprobe having no output at all babilen ? |
| 08:58.42 | babilen | modprobe never has output |
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| 08:59.12 | babilen | Which is why the *complete* and *single* command I want you to run is "modprobe -r ath9k ; modprobe ath9k ; dmesg|tail -n23" -- Either way, your card is working fine. |
| 08:59.42 | n_blownapart | I did. hold on please I'll try them again. |
| 09:00.15 | babilen | Not *them*, it is a single command |
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| 09:00.38 | babilen | You could try a newer kernel, but I doubt that it is due to the driver, but rather a difference between your card and hers (and their antennas) |
| 09:00.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell n_blownapart -about bpo kernel |
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| 09:03.08 | epp | #ubuntu |
| 09:03.30 | greatname | Is xfce more stable than kde |
| 09:04.10 | epp | I'm trying to extract kernel source and am getting an out of space error. This drive has 98% free |
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| 09:04.42 | babilen | epp: This is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 09:04.54 | epp | babilen, I am running debian 8 |
| 09:05.09 | babilen | Ah, okay. Just because the first you said was "#ubuntu" |
| 09:05.14 | greatname | Is ubuntu the same thing as debian |
| 09:05.16 | epp | yeah mistake |
| 09:05.34 | s3krit | greatname: nope. different distros made by different groups :) |
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| 09:06.01 | babilen | epp: Fair enough, I wasn't sure if you had meant to join the Ubuntu channel, but simply didn't. Could you provide more information about your problem? (actual commands, output, mount output, .. on http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 09:06.01 | greatname | is any linux free |
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| 09:06.24 | babilen | greatname: Do you have an actual problem with Debian that we can help you with? |
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| 09:08.57 | epp | I grab the kernel source with apt-get install linux-source. Then I move to /usr/src/ and tar xfv kernel*.xz then it spits out Cannot mkdir: No space left on device |
| 09:09.13 | epp | df -h shows plenty of space |
| 09:09.29 | grawity | what about `df -h /usr/src` |
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| 09:10.49 | epp | 200G available |
| 09:10.49 | jeddi | epp: please post output of 'df -Tm' to http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:11.22 | epp | http://paste.debian.net/378089/ |
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| 09:11.58 | grawity | hmm okay how about `df -i` |
| 09:12.09 | grawity | feels like your ext4 ran out of inodes |
| 09:12.18 | epp | yeah |
| 09:12.26 | epp | i picked bigfile.. |
| 09:13.14 | epp | grawity, do I have to reinstall? |
| 09:14.11 | grawity | I don't know of any way to grow ext4's inode count |
| 09:14.16 | grawity | other than backup + mkfs + restore |
| 09:14.21 | epp | grawity, k thanks for helping me out |
| 09:14.31 | epp | cheers |
| 09:15.04 | greatname | Can you run kde debian with duo core |
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| 09:18.24 | linuxthefish | does debian run a console on the serial port by default? |
| 09:18.52 | linuxthefish | greatname i don't see why not :p |
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| 09:21.21 | jeddi | linuxthefish: pretty sure it doesn't. |
| 09:21.28 | jeddi | linuxthefish: (run a console on the serial port) |
| 09:21.44 | linuxthefish | ah crap thanks jeddi, guess i have to find a monitor for once :p |
| 09:22.09 | jeddi | linuxthefish: new install, or broken? is ssh available? |
| 09:22.24 | linuxthefish | jeddi nah i just messed up the networking as normal lol |
| 09:22.38 | jeddi | linuxthefish: ah - that'll do it. |
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| 09:23.58 | Xat` | hi guys |
| 09:24.05 | Xat` | is it possible to chroot bob into a specific directory when he is using sftp, and chroot it in its home when ssh ? |
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| 09:24.47 | linuxthefish | Xat` https://www.debian-administration.org/article/590/OpenSSH_SFTP_chroot_with_ChrootDirectory apparently |
| 09:25.42 | hiroaki | moin, im moment versihc ich mich an libvirt. dazu habe ich ein ein debian gerät aufgesetzt und grade versucht ein virtuelles centos aufzusetzen. in der url-installation lädt er auch alles herunter. anschlieÃend versucht er sich mittels spice zu verbinden und fragt das root kennwort ab. nachdem dies richtig eingegeben worden ist (/var/log/auth.log zeigt einen korrekten login) werde ich erneut zur eingabe des root-kennwortes aufgefor |
| 09:25.48 | linuxthefish | just change "Match group" to "Match User bob" |
| 09:25.50 | hiroaki | in der ich stecke, hat jemand einen tipp? |
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| 09:26.19 | linuxthefish | hiroaki #debian-de :p |
| 09:26.47 | linuxthefish | deutsche channel |
| 09:27.59 | hiroaki | linuxthefish: sorry, just forgott to type .de i am an idiot |
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| 09:28.26 | linuxthefish | xD |
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| 09:30.26 | Xat` | linuxthefish: no I can't log in ssh anymore with that : "This service allows sftp connections only." |
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| 10:00.48 | FairyTel | hello. what can i do so that jessie's grub can boot into suse tumbleweed which uses btrfs? |
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| 10:07.49 | SomeAdmin | Hi, i'd like to have a script run every 1st Thuesday in a month via cron, why doesent that work: 0 6 1-7 * * jira [â$(date +%u)" = "5"] && /home/jira/crontab-tickets/tasks/monthly_patchday.sh >> /var/log/crontasks.log |
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| 10:16.59 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 10:17.13 | khazakar | Hi |
| 10:17.30 | tite12345 | khazakar: Why is it that everytime I reboot, my internet connection seems to be forgotten? |
| 10:17.42 | darxmurf | SomeAdmin: why don't you run your cron everyday and check the date/day in your shell script ? |
| 10:17.44 | tite12345 | It's suppose to automatically connect already but that isn't the case |
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| 10:18.07 | khazakar | What connection manager are you using? |
| 10:18.15 | SomeAdmin | darxmurf: could do that too, but thought id could do it via cron |
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| 10:22.01 | darxmurf | SomeAdmin: I would do something like: 0 6 * * 2 [ $(date +\%d) -le 07 ] && blabla.sh |
| 10:22.09 | darxmurf | I think % is a special char |
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| 10:22.24 | darxmurf | should be backslashed but not sure |
| 10:22.31 | SomeAdmin | darn |
| 10:22.39 | SomeAdmin | it was a typo |
| 10:22.43 | SomeAdmin | [ "$(date +%u)" = "2" ] && echo "yes" |
| 10:22.50 | SomeAdmin | look at the "" |
| 10:23.07 | SomeAdmin | [â$(date +%u)" = "5"] |
| 10:23.10 | darxmurf | mac ? |
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| 10:43.26 | ente | % is not a special character |
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| 10:45.24 | hoijui | is there a special release of debian that comes with purely free software (no binary blobs), or is this the default version? |
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| 10:46.26 | s3krit | hoijui: iirc the regular debian install will not have installed any non-free packages (and the non-free and contrib repos are disabled by default) |
| 10:46.53 | s3krit | the exception I think is if it asks you to provide a firmware file during install for instance to enable your network card |
| 10:47.30 | s3krit | there's a tool called vrms (virtual rms) that will diligently tell you what non-free and contrib packages you have installed, too |
| 10:47.40 | hoijui | ahhh... so it does also not come with the non-free firmware, but will ask the user to suply a file for it? |
| 10:47.54 | hoijui | ahh cool! i did not know, thnaks! |
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| 10:47.59 | hoijui | (i am currently using trisquel) |
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| 10:48.29 | s3krit | no problem! |
| 10:48.30 | babilen | hoijui: The standard images do not contain contrib or non-free software, but you can explicitly enable it. There are also installation images that contain firmware. |
| 10:49.13 | hoijui | babilen, so there is non-free firmware? |
| 10:49.17 | babilen | Given that you definitely want to install CPU microcode (who wants a buggy CPU anyway) and that you *might* need firmware for your other hardware it is impossible to setup a system without any non-free software nowadays unfortunately though. |
| 10:49.39 | hoijui | well... |
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| 10:49.52 | babilen | hoijui: There is indeed (cf. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/ ) |
| 10:49.53 | hoijui | i am using libreboot and trisquel, which supposedly is that |
| 10:50.04 | hoijui | does not use proprietary microcode either |
| 10:50.19 | hoijui | (though.. i do get freezes at times.. no idea if it is related) |
| 10:50.24 | s3krit | there was a very good libreboot talk at FOSDEM about the sorry state of CPU microcode and open BIOS |
| 10:50.41 | hoijui | mm |
| 10:50.50 | hoijui | thanks! :-) will try to find that |
| 10:50.58 | babilen | Your CPU still requires microcode and you'd want the newest version. Granted, it doesn't matter if you upgrade your firmware (assuming it provides microcode) or sideload it from the Kernel, but still .. I'd argue that you *always* want to have the microcode packages installed on every box |
| 10:51.28 | babilen | hoijui: Just because it comes from the mainboard's firmware doesn't mean that you don't use it |
| 10:51.49 | hoijui | babilen, i dont understand.. |
| 10:52.07 | hoijui | i though libreboot comes with its own microcode, which is just way inferior to the intel one |
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| 10:52.32 | babilen | hoijui: Your CPU uses microcode. Debian can sideload newer versions of that or it could be loaded during the early boot phases from your mainboards firmware. |
| 10:52.40 | hoijui | but that can still make sense, even if it is buggy, if it improves security |
| 10:52.56 | babilen | Are you using libreboot and their microcode? |
| 10:53.14 | babilen | Ah, yes, yes you are |
| 10:53.19 | hoijui | i am just using stock libreboot, which means.. as i understand it, that i am using thier microcode, yes |
| 10:53.28 | babilen | Fair enough |
| 10:54.11 | hoijui | well.. i actually came for askign an other thing, which probably does not make sense for debian, but i will just ask.. |
| 10:54.15 | hoijui | so i am using trisquel |
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| 10:54.17 | babilen | Sorry, I didn't mean to preach to the choir and I am happy that you found a way to deal with this. It is just that many people in here don't realise the importance of microcode and the ramification that has concerning open and free software. |
| 10:54.59 | hoijui | and there, when you insert a USB WiFi stick that requires non-free firmware, nothing happens, but obviously, WiFi does not work, an dthe user is left wondering why |
| 10:55.07 | babilen | Many people don't install the amd64-microcode or intel-microcode packages nor upgrade their firmware and suffer from old bugs that are really hard to debug. |
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| 10:55.31 | hoijui | so i though it woudl be a good idea to inform hte user in some warning message, why it is not working ("this hardware requries non-free firmware to work") |
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| 10:55.58 | hoijui | ahh ok :/ |
| 10:56.30 | babilen | The Debian installer will inform you that firmware is missing and ask you to provide it. |
| 10:56.32 | hoijui | ... and i though, maybe it makes sense to integrat esuch a warning message into debian already |
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| 10:56.55 | hoijui | but as you explain it, that makes no sense (as you already get a message dialog askign for the firmware) |
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| 10:57.03 | hoijui | ok! |
| 10:57.17 | babilen | The kernel also logs messages and you can easily check that when viewing dmesg |
| 10:57.24 | hoijui | will it also do that later, when the system is running, nad you insert a WiFi USB stick? |
| 10:57.31 | babilen | It will indeed |
| 10:57.36 | hoijui | ahh cool! |
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| 10:59.03 | hoijui | well.. that's it then, i guess.. will try to find that talk, and thanks for the good help! :-) looks like i should try debian some day too. ;-) |
| 10:59.20 | s3krit | So you could monitor dmesg and have a nice scary looking GTK window appear informing the user of the impending proprietary doom! :P |
| 10:59.29 | babilen | hoijui: When a module is loaded and if it needs firmware you'll see messages such as "Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found" (and so on) |
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| 11:00.22 | s3krit | hoijui: the talk isn't up yet but when it is, it should appear here: https://video.fosdem.org/2016/k1105/ |
| 11:01.02 | hoijui | ahh so.. its only in the logs as of now? |
| 11:01.11 | hoijui | yeah i was thinking of exactly that |
| 11:01.22 | hoijui | a GTK warning |
| 11:01.26 | hoijui | dialog |
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| 11:02.22 | hoijui | i think that woudl make sense, because most users do not know about any of these issues |
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| 11:03.01 | hoijui | that there is even firmware on such a stick, and that it can be non-free, and that this is a problem, and so on |
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| 11:03.48 | hoijui | all they perceive, is a piece of hardware that is not working, because of stupid linux.. it works on windows! |
| 11:04.31 | hoijui | and most usb wifi hardware out there is like that |
| 11:04.51 | khazakar | babilen why CPU microcode makes cpu buggy,wth? |
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| 11:05.51 | hoijui | or are there any arguments agaisnt such a GUI warning dialog? |
| 11:06.04 | babilen | khazakar: Because it can have bugs. Those bugs are fixed in newer versions of the microcode. Software generally suffers from bugs, regardless of its "type" |
| 11:06.19 | hoijui | s3krit, thanks! |
| 11:06.26 | khazakar | babilen ok,but without microcode cpu can work like .... :P |
| 11:06.32 | s3krit | np! |
| 11:06.40 | hoijui | there is always microcode |
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| 11:06.57 | hoijui | if none is supplied, then the CPU uses factory default microcode |
| 11:06.58 | babilen | khazakar: It will *always* use microcode. |
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| 11:07.10 | hoijui | which is usually an old version |
| 11:07.17 | khazakar | Ah,ok :P |
| 11:07.27 | Gaurishankar_ | hello everyone |
| 11:08.01 | hoijui | i have to say though.. it is strange that these kind of things are so little known even amongst IT people |
| 11:08.13 | Gaurishankar_ | I had performed upgrade on debian jessie server , but it is still showing 8.2 instead of 8.3 |
| 11:08.18 | Gaurishankar_ | ne idea |
| 11:08.22 | Gaurishankar_ | and help pls |
| 11:08.35 | hoijui | i went through many years of education i IT, also CPU basics and what not |
| 11:08.46 | khazakar | I'm not an IT man,hardware designer in future,not software :P |
| 11:09.00 | hoijui | and i never learned that there s anything like CPU microcode or FPU settings that coudl be affected by software |
| 11:09.03 | donnoc | Gaurishankar_: did you changed the repositories? |
| 11:09.17 | Gaurishankar_ | no i did not |
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| 11:09.30 | hoijui | khazakar, ok.. so good you learned this! :-) |
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| 11:10.05 | hoijui | i don't know until which stage microcode can be changed.. i guess during OS operation, it can not be changed anymore |
| 11:10.13 | alkisg | Hi, I want to ship a newer version of my package X, but I want the old postrm to be called with "remove" instead of "upgrade". Will "Conflicts: X (<< 10)" do that? |
| 11:10.13 | hoijui | but the FPU setings can be changed at any time |
| 11:10.38 | babilen | khazakar: Which is why everyone should make sure to provide the newest microcode feasible. This *can* be done by sideloading it during kernel boot and necessitates the installation of the amd64-microcode or intel-microcode packages for AMD and Intel processors respectively. Another way is to upgrade firmware on your mainboard. |
| 11:11.11 | babilen | hoijui: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/early-microcode.txt |
| 11:11.16 | khazakar | I ahve the newest bios on my notebook and uefi on my P,with the newest microcode,so no problem :D |
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| 11:11.23 | khazakar | s/P/PC |
| 11:11.30 | Gaurishankar_ | ne idea donnoc |
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| 11:12.14 | hoijui | "Kernel can update microcode in early phase of boot time. Loading microcode early |
| 11:12.14 | hoijui | can fix CPU issues before they are observed during kernel boot time." |
| 11:12.23 | hoijui | cool, thnaks babilen! |
| 11:12.33 | babilen | khazakar: Intel might still provide newer microcode than what your hardware vendor decided to include in its firmware (and vice-versa). Generally speaking I would encourage everyone to install amd64-microcode or intel-microcode (or use free microcode) |
| 11:13.12 | babilen | Essentially: Make sure to keep your firmware/microcode up-to-date also. |
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| 11:13.40 | Gaurishankar_ | upgrade and update not happening on debian jessie server , pls advise ?? |
| 11:13.42 | babilen | Very few people are aware of this issue and even fewer have the aforementioned packages installed even though they are very important |
| 11:13.54 | khazakar | I have it up-to-date,but when I installed it,during boot I see - module microcode not found,wth? |
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| 11:15.31 | epipe | Hi I am trying to create a 32bit debian imag with debootstrap |
| 11:15.44 | epipe | I tried --arch i386 |
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| 11:32.20 | hoijui | s3krit, the vrms package is not available in trisquel, because: "Problem: Incomplete, misleading, and not necessary for distributions that abide by the GFSD" |
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| 11:35.55 | s3krit | it woudln't make sense for an entirely-free distro anyway :) you'd know that you don't have any proprietary packages installed by virtue of using something like Trisquel or gNewSense. |
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| 11:53.11 | Psy-Q | in openssl it seems they use md5 as default md, some suggest sha1. what are the tradeoffs? debian refers to "default" |
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| 11:54.42 | teraflops | hmm linux-image-586 is fine for a pentium 4, right? |
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| 11:59.42 | Desu | Psy-Q: don't use either |
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| 12:00.29 | Desu | Psy-Q: both are deprecated if you are talking about using them for certs |
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| 12:01.16 | Desu | teraflops: use i686 atleast |
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| 12:01.42 | teraflops | Desu: ok thaks |
| 12:01.47 | teraflops | thanks* |
| 12:02.04 | Desu | too bad there isn't i686+sse packages |
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| 12:02.33 | Psy-Q | Desu: what do i use then? and what is the relationship between the md algorithm used and the cryptography used in the cert itself? |
| 12:02.41 | teraflops | i see pae, ill avoid pae |
| 12:02.55 | Desu | Psy-Q: what are you using it for? cert fingerprint? |
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| 12:03.35 | Desu | teraflops: p1 is i586, pentium pro and up is i686, exception to the rule is some amd K6 and similar cpus |
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| 12:03.44 | Psy-Q | Desu: trying to write an ansible role that generates self-signed certs for our internal hosts |
| 12:03.54 | Desu | Psy-Q: use sha256 |
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| 12:04.08 | teraflops | ah that's fine ill go with i686 |
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| 12:04.25 | Psy-Q | Desu: thanks! |
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| 12:05.08 | Desu | aka sha2 |
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| 12:06.35 | Desu | Psy-Q: even MS deprecated sha1 :) |
| 12:07.38 | Psy-Q | Desu: yeah, i saw the whole sha1 thing, but wasn't aware that's the MD |
| 12:07.57 | Psy-Q | should probably read up on what which cipher and which digest algorithm does where and why |
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| 12:08.32 | Desu | Psy-Q: md5 is even weaker |
| 12:08.48 | Desu | Psy-Q: you can generate a collision in under a second |
| 12:09.06 | __john_doe__ | hey guys, I need to create nginx package with custom modules. Is there a guide somewhere? |
| 12:09.13 | Psy-Q | Desu: i didn't even think md5 would have applications in cryptography, that's why i was surprised it's listed as default! :) |
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| 12:09.26 | Psy-Q | but since i don't know what the algorithm uses the digests for, i have even less of a clue what's going on |
| 12:09.29 | Desu | Psy-Q: also watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj9_EIlc_NU |
| 12:09.51 | Desu | Psy-Q: much lols about pastebins, md5 and write your own story games :D |
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| 12:09.57 | Desu | s/write/make/ |
| 12:09.59 | svetlana | :) |
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| 12:10.51 | Desu | quite worth the watch |
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| 12:11.09 | Psy-Q | Desu: hooh, does look interesting :) |
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| 12:11.33 | Psy-Q | hey, it's in NZ. these days everyone tells me to move to NZ because of the rabid job market |
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| 12:12.08 | Desu | Psy-Q: lack of sheep farmers eh? |
| 12:12.18 | Desu | :p |
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| 12:12.40 | Psy-Q | Desu: and not enough nerds in wellington! |
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| 12:25.32 | lucido | Hi, I need to create an smb share for my printer to use it for scans. How would you create the user for this share (the printer needs a username and password to access the share) |
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| 12:27.15 | NoCode | anyone know of a good tutorial that I can use to configure postfix with a catchall configuration? Using Debian 8. |
| 12:28.09 | karlpinc | lucido: The dead simple way is to put it in /etc/passwd with a shell of /usr/sbin/nologin, using adduser. |
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| 12:29.01 | karlpinc | NoCode: There's nothing special about debian, look though what's linked at postfix.org. |
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| 12:29.26 | karlpinc | NoCode: There's also examples in /usr/share/doc/postfix* |
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| 12:30.45 | karlpinc | NoCode: Or just run dpkg-reconfigure -p high on postfix. |
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| 12:31.08 | NoCode | I'm also noticing a lot of configurations are using postmap. postmap is not available for a command. |
| 12:31.16 | karlpinc | NoCode: What is "catchall"? |
| 12:31.31 | karlpinc | NoCode: It should be, if you're root. |
| 12:31.32 | WG1337 | Hi! How is the ntp-server package called on Debian 8? |
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| 12:33.00 | NoCode | karlpinc, Catchall is a phase which means that any@site.com email will be caught. So, if email is mispelled, or if I want to make an email look good I can use whatever username I want@site.com |
| 12:33.14 | NoCode | Horrible for spam but ah well. |
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| 12:47.02 | Psy-Q | can't get x590v3 multiple subject names to work |
| 12:47.10 | Psy-Q | x509v3, i mean |
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| 12:48.59 | Psy-Q | the distinguished name is there, it doesn't complain about the subjectAltnames i set in the config, but it won't include them in the cert anyhow.. but i guess this is more for #openssl |
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| 12:55.10 | uu_unixuser | is debian better than windows? |
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| 12:55.58 | at0m | not if you want to run Skype or VST plugins :p |
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| 12:56.23 | uu_unixuser | no :P |
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| 13:00.10 | ne0h|nihilist | sup folks, does anyone knows about some program to manage vlans? I'm not looking for a full IPAM solution, just a simple vlan management program. |
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| 13:01.45 | khazakar | you can run skype on linux,wtf |
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| 13:04.13 | qmr | khazakar: oooooooolllld news |
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| 13:04.40 | khazakar | but still can run :D |
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| 13:07.50 | Mathisen | hello can anyone help me with a apache problem.. i cant get https to work it seem it is listening on ipv6 and cant understand why its using ipv6 in the first place... |
| 13:08.07 | Mathisen | i can access my site with http not https.. |
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| 13:08.54 | Mathisen | i dont know what info you all want, so just say what you need to help.. |
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| 13:09.15 | Dagger | well, it's using v6 because a) listening on a v6 socket gets you both v4 and v6 connections, and b) it makes no sense to only listen for v4 connections |
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| 13:09.47 | Dagger | HTTPS is more awkward. does it work with wget on the server itself, or if not then what error does it throw? |
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| 13:10.22 | Mathisen | Dagger, it just wont displau here is the php info file >> http://mathisen.ddns.net/info.php |
| 13:11.10 | Mathisen | Dagger, anything else you need ? |
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| 13:12.33 | Dagger | what does `telnet 127.0.0.1 443` do if you run it on the server? |
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| 13:12.57 | Mathisen | Dagger, connected.. |
| 13:13.27 | Dagger | suggests you're firewalling port 443 then |
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| 13:13.56 | Mathisen | ohhh my good... i thinnk i forgot to forward 443 on the router last night... |
| 13:14.10 | Mathisen | that can be it yes |
| 13:14.11 | Mathisen | ... |
| 13:14.12 | Mathisen | ops |
| 13:15.07 | Mathisen | Dagger, thx |
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| 13:17.30 | Dagger | well at least it was simpler than getting my head around somebody else's apache config files :-) |
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| 13:28.58 | ChrisWi | helo debian guys ... am new to debian and I think it will be very easy for you to answer ... I am trying to mount a iso file (iso9660) but Iget following error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' what am I missing ? |
| 13:29.16 | [AlexC] | install the fuse |
| 13:29.17 | [AlexC] | :P |
| 13:29.36 | khazakar | mount -t iso 9660 |
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| 13:29.57 | ChrisWi | khazakar: root@samba:/srv/samba/ISO/ubuntu# mount -o loop ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso ./desktop/ |
| 13:30.00 | ChrisWi | mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
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| 13:30.36 | [AlexC] | did you install the fuse ? |
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| 13:31.14 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: just trying ... fuseiso9660 |
| 13:31.43 | [AlexC] | might be useful to check: dpkg -l ¦ grep fuse |
| 13:32.08 | [AlexC] | if it's not installed thats why cannot mount |
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| 13:32.16 | [AlexC] | because the iso9660 is the correct |
| 13:32.25 | [AlexC] | or - loop |
| 13:32.28 | [AlexC] | -o |
| 13:33.19 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: http://pastie.org/10705572 and still unknown filesystem |
| 13:34.05 | [AlexC] | # mount -o loop disk1.iso /mnt/disk |
| 13:34.25 | [AlexC] | with root ofc |
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| 13:35.33 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: mount -o loop ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso ./desktop -> mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 13:35.53 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: modprobe isofs -> ERROR: could not insert 'isofs': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 13:36.10 | ChrisWi | seem there is missing another module ... |
| 13:36.39 | [AlexC] | autofs |
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| 13:38.18 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: installed autofs ... still no success |
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| 13:38.36 | [AlexC] | am |
| 13:38.41 | [AlexC] | create a dir somewhere |
| 13:38.48 | [AlexC] | like mkdir /mnt/data |
| 13:39.01 | [AlexC] | chown -hR youruser:youruser /mnt/data |
| 13:39.05 | [AlexC] | and mount here |
| 13:39.23 | [AlexC] | sudo mount -o loop *.iso /mnt/data |
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| 13:40.36 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: hmmm ... do you want to tell me 'root' isn't able to mount iso files ? |
| 13:41.07 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: about the unkown symbol: http://pastie.org/10705581 |
| 13:41.49 | [AlexC] | if your user doesn't added to the video, and the desktop group, no |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 13:43.05 | dpkg | well, iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 13:43.07 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: am trying this as 'root' ... |
| 13:43.20 | [AlexC] | you have to try with root mate |
| 13:43.26 | [AlexC] | otherwise doesn't work |
| 13:43.27 | [AlexC] | :D |
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| 13:44.27 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: why doing 'chown to user' and doing 'sudo' when I AM 'root' |
| 13:44.42 | ChrisWi | sorry can't follow you ... |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | ChrisWi: you don't .. |
| 13:44.52 | abrotman | ChrisWi: what command are you trying now? |
| 13:44.56 | abrotman | and what's the error? |
| 13:45.06 | ChrisWi | abrotman: mount -o loop ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso ./desktop |
| 13:45.19 | ChrisWi | abrotman: like I do on my SuSE ... |
| 13:45.20 | abrotman | ah .. don't thik you want to mount it to your desktop |
| 13:45.36 | [AlexC] | ChrisWi, because if you're running DE, it's not root, and might be you can access the files under the DE |
| 13:45.43 | donnoc | t does "non-free" in "source.list" mean? Only that I have packages which are not controlled by Debian? |
| 13:45.44 | abrotman | ChrisWi: as root, mount -o loop foo.iso /media/ |
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| 13:45.51 | ChrisWi | abrotman: ./desktop is NOT /home/$USER |
| 13:45.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell donnoc about non-free |
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| 13:46.10 | abrotman | ChrisWi: use the full path please |
| 13:46.17 | abrotman | that way there's no uncertainty |
| 13:46.21 | abrotman | (for us) |
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| 13:46.58 | abrotman | ChrisWi: what is "uname -a" ? |
| 13:47.05 | ChrisWi | abrotman: mount -o loop ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso /srv/samba/ISO/ubuntu/desktop/ |
| 13:47.09 | donnoc | abrotman: thx |
| 13:47.20 | ChrisWi | abrotman: Linux samba 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:47.27 | abrotman | sorry, -t iso9660 -o loop |
| 13:47.31 | abrotman | left out that -t bit |
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| 13:48.01 | abrotman | wonders about the wisdom of serving an ISO over the netowrk, but continues ... |
| 13:48.18 | abrotman | ChrisWi: so, |
| 13:48.26 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:48.58 | ChrisWi | abrotman: mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
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| 13:49.29 | [AlexC] | try modprobe iso9660 |
| 13:49.34 | [AlexC] | or modprobe fusefs |
| 13:49.47 | [AlexC] | or just fuse |
| 13:49.54 | [AlexC] | might be the kernel module not loaded |
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| 13:50.12 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: modprobe iso9660 -> ERROR: could not insert 'isofs': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) : http://pastie.org/10705581 |
| 13:50.42 | abrotman | ChrisWi: have you been compiling your kernel or modules? |
| 13:50.43 | ChrisWi | [AlexC]: modprobe fusefs: FATAL: Module fusefs not found. |
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| 13:50.57 | ChrisWi | abrotman: no ... why ? |
| 13:51.18 | abrotman | because I have the same kernel on some boxes, works fine |
| 13:51.24 | ChrisWi | it is standard kernel ... the way wheezy is delivering ... |
| 13:53.09 | abrotman | would probably start with reinstalling the kernel |
| 13:53.24 | ChrisWi | abrotman: This 'ERROR: could not insert 'isofs': Unknown symbol in module' ... makes me think another module is missing, a module that isofs depend on ... |
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| 13:55.40 | ChrisWi | abrotman: yes will try ... thank you for your support :) |
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| 13:56.34 | SparkySquirrel_ | how hard would it be to build a Debian package equivalent to this?: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/clementine-qt5-git/ |
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| 13:56.54 | SparkySquirrel_ | else I'll have to switch to Arch Linux on one of my computers |
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| 13:59.12 | MACscr | any ideas how i can resolve this superblock issue from busybox? http://www.screencast.com/t/N9lNsQJzQ. The disk mounts and works fine from another system though, so i dont get it. its an iscsi lun |
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| 14:06.55 | jeddi | SparkySquirrel: clementine 1.2.3 is available on debian already. |
| 14:06.57 | jeddi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.31 | towo^work | but that's not a qt5 build |
| 14:08.35 | towo^work | it's qt4 |
| 14:08.59 | jelly | ,v clementine |
| 14:09.01 | judd | Package: clementine on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 0.7.1+dfsg-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.0.1+dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1.2.3+git1354-gdaddbde+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 1.3~rc1-1 |
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| 14:09.45 | jelly | oh, sparky actually wanted qt5 |
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| 14:15.27 | AndreasLutro | I need to install not the latest version of a package from a repository. the version is still present in the repository's file structure but I can't seem to get apt-get to fetch it |
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| 14:16.58 | Ticho | dpkg, tell AndreasLutro about pinning |
| 14:16.59 | babilen | AndreasLutro: You could include http://snapshot.debian.org/ or setup your own repository |
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| 14:17.53 | babilen | AndreasLutro: The problem is that Debian assumes that you always want the latest version of a package and that tools aren't designed to handle multiple versions in the same repository |
| 14:17.57 | AndreasLutro | Ticho: doesn't pinning assume I have the correct version installed already? |
| 14:18.08 | AndreasLutro | urgh |
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| 14:18.36 | Ticho | no, it overrides apt's choice of which version to prefer |
| 14:18.47 | Ticho | you can see it in e.g. "apt-cache policy yourpackage" |
| 14:19.04 | babilen | It *does* assume that it is availble in some reppository though |
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| 14:20.04 | AndreasLutro | Ticho: I don't see the version I want to install in the `apt-cache policy` output though |
| 14:20.28 | AndreasLutro | wait, I only checked if the .deb file was in the repo |
| 14:20.31 | Ticho | you'll probably have to use snapshot.debian.org then |
| 14:20.43 | Ticho | I know I use it for a few packages myself |
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| 14:22.14 | AndreasLutro | snapshot is only for official debian repositories though, right? |
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| 14:24.55 | abrotman | AndreasLutro: yes |
| 14:25.13 | AndreasLutro | downloading the .deb files and installing manually it is then |
| 14:25.19 | babilen | AndreasLutro: It is indeed (and therefore not applicable in this situation) |
| 14:25.22 | AndreasLutro | thanks for the help Ticho babilen abrotman |
| 14:26.09 | Ticho | make sure you pin that manually installed version, otherwise next apt-get upgrade might upgrade that package too |
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| 14:31.05 | hoijui | i was here earlier, and we talked about microcode |
| 14:32.04 | hoijui | and.. i am using libreboot, and i sometimes have system freezes, showing an error message blaming microcode before shutdown |
| 14:32.29 | hoijui | i also read on the libreboot homepage, that intel microcode updates are signed |
| 14:33.07 | hoijui | and librebot thus comes without microcode updates, which means the factory default microcode is used |
| 14:33.31 | s3krit | hoijui: yep. which is still obviously non-free unfortunately :( |
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| 14:34.23 | s3krit | or well - it won't necessarily be the factory default microcode. It just won't be updated. so if it was previously updated (say using debian packages for instance), it wil perpetually just remain at that version I think |
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| 14:35.28 | s3krit | ah, I think I'm incorrect actually - the microcode is loaded by the bootloader |
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| 14:42.00 | JesusTheHun | Can anyone explain me why everyone who install php-fpm refer in their config to /usr/lib/cgi/* but don't install php-cgi therefore they have no such file? |
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| 14:43.12 | JesusTheHun | Moreover when reading php-cgi package description it clearly says you definitely want the php-fpm package, enforcing my feeling that I shouldn't install this cgi package. But if I don't, I don't have the required files |
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| 14:44.11 | petn-randall | JesusTheHun: Depends on your case. You probably don't want to copy their config 1:1. |
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| 14:46.54 | JesusTheHun | Probably not, but I really ask myself about how the hell they make it works. I've tried their install process and it worked fine. Then I tried again on another machine and this time it doesn't work. So I'm assuming I'm missing some understanding about all this fcgi cgi fpm stuff |
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| 14:50.32 | petn-randall | JesusTheHun: There's classic CGI, which is dead-slow by today's standards and should not be used anymore. FastCGI are usually some 3rd party interfaces to run PHP which are faster than classic CGI. Then there's FPM, which is the native FastCGI implementation since 5.3. You should be using that. :) |
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| 14:50.43 | JesusTheHun | My case is pretty simple I think. I co- install php 5.6 and 7.0. The only way I've found is to use php-fpm to define which interpreter to use in virtual host. So I want the most simple way to use php fpm with apache |
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| 14:51.54 | JesusTheHun | Petn, yes that's what I understood about it, and what I actually want to do. But I don't understand why I need the php-cgi package to plug apache and php-fpm |
| 14:52.34 | id10t | i have a mirror of jessie made with apt-mirror. but when i point a netinstall to it to configure apt and complete the install, if fails. looking at /var/log/syslog (from isntaller shell) it is complaining about a hash sum mismatch on dists/jessie/main/binary-i386/Packages - but that file updated last night when my apt-mirror script updated. ideas as to where to look next? |
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| 14:55.57 | iszak | when I install a .deb what happens inbetween the states of installation? if I am using .deb's to package my apps code, will it cleanly switch the versions in one step? |
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| 14:58.50 | han-solo | guys, which is the best video converter for debian? |
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| 14:59.39 | id10t | han-solo, ffmpeg has been changed in favor of avconv i think |
| 14:59.58 | id10t | ls |
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| 15:03.54 | iszak | id10t: until debian 9 |
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| 15:04.07 | han-solo_ | any video converter for debian please? |
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| 15:04.51 | iszak | han-solo_: already stated - avconv |
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| 15:04.59 | han-solo | thanks |
| 15:05.04 | han-solo | i've shitty conn. |
| 15:05.10 | asdf11111 | Hello everybody, I am new to Debian and having problem to mount USB |
| 15:05.12 | han-solo | it just drops.... |
| 15:05.26 | asdf11111 | Any tip? |
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| 15:05.42 | han-solo | unable to locate package |
| 15:06.10 | iszak | han-solo: what version of debian are you using? |
| 15:06.27 | han-solo | jessie |
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| 15:06.37 | iszak | han-solo: try ffmpeg it may just be an alias to avconv |
| 15:06.40 | mtn | asdf11111: what is on the usb? |
| 15:06.46 | asdf11111 | Guys I am also considering moving to Ubuntu, Debian keeps freezing! |
| 15:06.49 | han-solo | okay. will try |
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| 15:07.02 | asdf11111 | mtn: Blank, having problem to mount it |
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| 15:07.22 | mtn | asdf11111: use the Disks tool, or gparted. then format it. |
| 15:07.23 | han-solo | iszak: yeah, it works! |
| 15:07.37 | asdf11111 | mtn: at lsblk it shows up, will use "disk tools" |
| 15:07.38 | Jonuz | Is there way to make --no-preverse-root to be needed for "custom" dirs? |
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| 15:08.14 | asdf11111 | mtn: There is no "app" named Disks Tool |
| 15:08.24 | asdf11111 | Mtn: I need to download it? |
| 15:08.24 | mtn | asdf11111: which de are you using? |
| 15:08.34 | id10t | asdf11111, while i love debian for my servers, i'm *very* happy with mint for desktop use |
| 15:08.42 | asdf11111 | mtn: one sec mate |
| 15:08.45 | han-solo | apt-get install it! |
| 15:09.06 | asdf11111 | id10t: I choose Debian because it is very open and very good for "Privacy" |
| 15:09.35 | asdf11111 | Everybody recomnend me to use Debian because Ubuntu was not "so" good consider they had "amazon" as default program |
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| 15:10.09 | asdf11111 | mtn: Debian 8.2.0 Jessie |
| 15:10.22 | mtn | asdf11111: that is not the desktop. gnome? kde? |
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| 15:10.33 | asdf11111 | mtn: GUI is XFCE |
| 15:10.54 | mtn | asdf11111: ok, install gnome-disks, I think is the name, or just use gparted as I said |
| 15:11.04 | asdf11111 | mtn: Thanks dude I will try |
| 15:11.33 | asdf11111 | General question to everyone: Is Mint (I know it is newbie-friendly) any "worse" then Debian considering Privacy question |
| 15:12.05 | asdf11111 | Less packages is making it harder for me but I get to learn more and want everything "clean" |
| 15:12.06 | lucad111 | asdf11111: does the usb key you are trying to mount have a fs on it? |
| 15:12.26 | asdf11111 | lucad111: what is fs? :O Sorry dude I am a newbie |
| 15:12.32 | id10t | asdf11111, nope... no shopping bs, no app store... there is even a debian/mint hybrid version for rolling releases |
| 15:12.37 | lucad111 | asdf11111: file system |
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| 15:13.03 | asdf11111 | lucad111: it was fat32, but I cannot see atm because it not come up (only as sdb) |
| 15:13.04 | lucad111 | asdf11111: i also use debian with xfce never had a problem so far |
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| 15:13.33 | lucad111 | asdf11111: did you erase the partition from it? |
| 15:13.34 | asdf11111 | id10t: Which Mint you recommend me to download then comrade? :) |
| 15:14.00 | asdf11111 | lucad111: Other USB:s works but not this one for unknown reasson, trying to download gparted atm as mtn said |
| 15:14.37 | asdf11111 | apt-get search gparted |
| 15:14.37 | asdf11111 | E: Invalid operation search |
| 15:14.44 | asdf11111 | I forgot maybe su? |
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| 15:14.47 | mtn | asdf11111: why take advise from someone with the nick of id10t? seems like a bad idea :) |
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| 15:15.08 | abrotman | asdf11111: you mean apt-cache search |
| 15:15.08 | mtn | asdf11111: apt-get won't search |
| 15:15.12 | lucad111 | asdf11111: generally out of the box usb keys have a single big fat32 partition and usually it should be /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:15.15 | asdf11111 | mtn: HAHAHHAHA dude you are to harsh now :D. I am overall a Newbie to Debian and Linux |
| 15:15.32 | asdf11111 | Guys wanna say: Thanks everyoone for the help so far |
| 15:15.37 | asdf11111 | You are gold worth! |
| 15:15.45 | thieh | Question: is there an easy way to change the system from i686-pae to amd64 without reinstall? |
| 15:15.58 | mtn | thieh: no |
| 15:16.00 | lucad111 | asdf11111: if in /dev there is no such thing it looks liek either the partition table on the usb is gone or you deleted the partition by error |
| 15:16.04 | abrotman | thieh: depends on your definition of easy ... |
| 15:16.22 | thieh | abrotman: what needs to be done? |
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| 15:17.11 | abrotman | thieh: if it were to be tried, you could attempt multi-arch, duplicate all package states for the new arch, change your default arch, and go from there |
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| 15:17.26 | abrotman | and I'm still skeptical that'd work |
| 15:17.35 | abrotman | (but now I have an experiment for a lazy weekend) |
| 15:17.35 | asdf11111 | mtn: Installing gparted atm |
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| 15:19.44 | asdf11111 | Guys using gparted and Device -> Create partion but which table should I use? MSDOS seems legit |
| 15:20.00 | abrotman | asdf11111: why are you using gparted? |
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| 15:20.11 | abrotman | asdf11111: aren't you just trying to format a USB drive to be blank? |
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| 15:20.21 | asdf11111 | abrotman: mtn told me and it is GUI |
| 15:20.31 | abrotman | that doesn't answer the rest of my question |
| 15:20.32 | asdf11111 | abrotman: The device did not show up on file manager.... |
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| 15:20.51 | abrotman | much easier ways .. whatever you'd like to do |
| 15:20.51 | asdf11111 | aka no boot up and I am a newbie... |
| 15:21.05 | asdf11111 | abrotman: Tell me :O |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | good luck |
| 15:21.46 | asdf11111 | abrotman: ? I was asking for help and if you can or will I am glad to take in input |
| 15:22.01 | asdf11111 | Not meaning to be rude :/ |
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| 15:22.25 | abrotman | It's fine, he gave you an acceptable method, just not the one I'd hvae picked .. good luck |
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| 15:22.28 | thieh | Another question: most settings that sit in user's home folder does not depend on architecture if the application has both x86 and amd64 builds right? |
| 15:22.48 | asdf11111 | abrotman: Thanks for you view atleast, hope to see you :) |
| 15:22.53 | veek | just did a apt-get upgrade and i got this when i accidentally pressed 'a' without reading Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs... 19 added, 18 removed; done. |
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| 15:23.08 | veek | that's a lot of removed certs.. |
| 15:23.17 | High | That is correct mostly. I haven't not come across anything that broke anything. Perhaps a drastically diff config for a diff version might |
| 15:23.21 | veek | anyway to verify them and see what the heck has been changed |
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| 15:23.23 | High | -not |
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| 15:23.47 | High | But for the most part arch doesn't concern itself w/ config files in your ~ |
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| 15:24.05 | thieh | So I can just tarball /home, reinstall in a different arch and restore /home without problems? |
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| 15:24.20 | High | Sure. |
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| 15:24.37 | userdeb | hi. can someone chack that my sources are ok? |
| 15:24.44 | High | I'm not sure what all you're trying to do |
| 15:25.01 | High | The entire solution to your issue could require much more than just this. |
| 15:25.02 | abrotman | High: not amused with your nick change ... |
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| 15:25.15 | abrotman | the former was bad enough |
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| 15:25.52 | asdf11111 | Managed to get the USB showing but is says "Not authrozied to perform this option" when I am clicking on it |
| 15:25.56 | asdf11111 | -_- |
| 15:26.11 | asdf11111 | I formated using gparted and choose fat32 |
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| 15:26.57 | High | asdf11111: I think mount permissions needs adjusting. You're trying to click on it as a user and it won't mount. |
| 15:27.11 | userdeb | can I write my actual sources. list file to see if everything is ok, please? |
| 15:27.17 | asdf11111 | High: Clicking from the normal "file manager" Thnar, |
| 15:27.20 | asdf11111 | Thunar* |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | userdeb: paste.debian.net if you'd like us to validate it |
| 15:27.30 | High | asdf11111: you can manually mount it |
| 15:27.33 | asdf11111 | Status: Not mounted |
| 15:27.41 | asdf11111 | High: Will try! |
| 15:27.55 | High | I'm afraid I have little experience dealing w/ USB thubmdrives on linux systems (auto mounting specifically) |
| 15:28.23 | userdeb | abrotman here you are http://paste.debian.net/plain/378153 |
| 15:28.29 | asdf11111 | I cannotmount it via Gparted :( |
| 15:28.34 | userdeb | debian stable with backports |
| 15:28.41 | userdeb | please tell me is everything is ok |
| 15:29.06 | abrotman | userdeb: seems good enough, are you having some problems? |
| 15:29.20 | userdeb | nope |
| 15:29.23 | userdeb | just checking |
| 15:29.37 | userdeb | I'm new on backports and debian |
| 15:29.48 | userdeb | I have just addedd backports |
| 15:29.59 | userdeb | nothing missing, right? |
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| 15:32.01 | userdeb | abrotman backports repo is ok? |
| 15:32.24 | High | You should only use backports when you know you need a package version from there which cannot be found in stable. |
| 15:32.47 | userdeb | high yes I know |
| 15:33.10 | High | higher version I mean. Ok, just making sure. Some peopel tend to overlook that for many diff reasons |
| 15:33.28 | userdeb | on debian wiki it says a repo and on backports instruction it says another |
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| 15:33.59 | userdeb | that's why I'm confused |
| 15:34.36 | High | Which specific part is confusing (sorry I might have come to your issue in the middle or too late, if you dont mind explaining) |
| 15:34.40 | abrotman | userdeb: yes, it's fine |
| 15:34.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell userdeb about jessie sources.list |
| 15:34.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell userdeb about jessie bpo |
| 15:35.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell userdeb about jessie backports |
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| 15:35.17 | abrotman | there we go |
| 15:35.20 | userdeb | please have a look: https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 15:35.29 | userdeb | and here http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:35.42 | abrotman | userdeb: see what the bot told you |
| 15:35.45 | userdeb | same backports but different repos |
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| 15:36.26 | High | userdeb: it's fine. |
| 15:36.52 | userdeb | both of them are ok? |
| 15:36.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:36.58 | High | Yes. |
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| 15:37.14 | abrotman | High: please find a more appropriate nick, or revert to your old one. Thank you |
| 15:37.30 | userdeb | the one I wrote in my sources is a mix of the 2 |
| 15:38.00 | abrotman | userdeb: Does it work? Is there any error when you run 'apt-get update' ? |
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| 15:38.28 | userdeb | it works |
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| 15:38.35 | userdeb | is just confusing for a newbie |
| 15:38.58 | userdeb | it should be just one to avoid confusion |
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| 15:39.11 | abrotman | userdeb: there are many different ways to reference an apt repository |
| 15:39.12 | veek | High, you might want to paste that to the web and #freenode - talk to some of the ops and ask if 'High' is offensive |
| 15:39.17 | userdeb | can someone fix it please? |
| 15:39.23 | abrotman | veek: it's a channel issue |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | veek: and that user has a long history of problems in this channel |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | userdeb: you can get a wiki account and fix that if you want |
| 15:40.12 | userdeb | how? |
| 15:40.38 | abrotman | userdeb: https://wiki.debian.org/FrontPage?action=newaccount |
| 15:41.06 | userdeb | thanks |
| 15:41.14 | userdeb | there is a lot of info about debian |
| 15:41.21 | abrotman | Yes |
| 15:41.26 | userdeb | but is not so well orgnized |
| 15:41.43 | userdeb | it's simple to get lost |
| 15:41.53 | userdeb | for a new user I mean |
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| 15:42.52 | userdeb | contrib and non-free should be only dor backports or for stable too? |
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| 15:43.49 | userdeb | in the repos I mean |
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| 15:48.54 | alkisg | Hi, I want to ship a newer version of my package X, but I want the old postrm to be called with "remove" instead of "upgrade". Will "Conflicts: X (<< 10)" do that? |
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| 15:52.33 | karlpinc | alkisg: If you don't get an answer here, try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 15:52.43 | alkisg | Thank you karlpinc, will do |
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| 16:28.56 | BinBasher | should I get the backported xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-linux-nonfree? |
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| 16:29.25 | greycat | If you need them for your hardware, yes. |
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| 16:30.08 | BinBasher | I mean, are they more profitable than the non backported ones? |
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| 16:30.37 | greycat | What?! |
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| 16:31.20 | greycat | If you don't know whether you need them, what you should do is tell us the PCI-ID of the hardware in question. Someone may know, or be able to help you look it up. |
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| 16:35.12 | BinBasher | http://paste.debian.net/378169/ |
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| 16:37.40 | greycat | BinBasher: use lcpci -nn to get the PCI IDs, and only report the one piece of hardware you're actually asking about |
| 16:38.06 | jelly | lspci -nn |
| 16:38.13 | greycat | duh, yes |
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| 16:38.29 | ChrisWi | does 'kernel APPEND' only support 'netboot=nfs nfsroot=...' or is there also 'http' possible ? |
| 16:38.45 | greycat | *boggle* |
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| 16:40.00 | greycat | I don't recall ever hearing about an HTTP client implementation within the kernel or the boot loader. Where would it even get the nameserver IPs? The root file system isn't mounted yet. |
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| 16:42.06 | ChrisWi | greycat: sorry ... playing with PXE ... for SuSE I can use e.g. 'append initrd=initrd_suse114_32 install=http://192.168.101.1/pub/opensuse/11.4 language=de_DE' |
| 16:42.31 | ChrisWi | just thought there is something similar on debian side ... |
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| 16:42.44 | greycat | So it's used by something inside the initramfs? Not by the kernel itself? |
| 16:43.14 | jelly | bingo |
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| 16:44.09 | ChrisWi | greycat: don't know ... for SuSE you can use any proto ... ftp, nfs, http |
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| 16:44.54 | greycat | ChrisWi: what does it *do*? |
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| 16:53.59 | hiya | how to save iptables? |
| 16:54.18 | hiya | when we type "# iptables whateverrules" |
| 16:54.20 | hiya | is it saved automatically? |
| 16:54.26 | hiya | or is it temp? |
| 16:54.28 | amcorreia | iptables-save |
| 16:54.32 | hiya | would it remain after reboot? |
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| 16:54.36 | amcorreia | iptables-restore |
| 16:54.38 | hiya | iptables-save saves it? |
| 16:55.02 | amcorreia | iptables run in memory |
| 16:55.33 | amcorreia | use some tool like ufw, shorewall..etc |
| 16:56.09 | hiya | we have file to input it and save it? |
| 16:56.33 | ChrisWi | greycat: it *does* load its stuff from web repo via 'http' (install=http://192.168.101.1/pub/opensuse/13.2) |
| 16:56.46 | greycat | What is "it"? What "stuff"? |
| 16:57.11 | greycat | Are you talking some userland installer application that runs in place of /sbin/init? |
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| 16:59.34 | ChrisWi | greycat: I am having this for ubuntu in my pxe config 'APPEND boot=casper netboot=nfs nfsroot=10.10.1.10:/srv/install/Ubuntu/9.10/i386 initrd=Ubuntu/9.10/i386/initrd.lz' now I am asking if it is possible to address 'http' instead of 'nfs' cause I do not want to setup NFS while I am having all already via http/ftp ... |
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| 16:59.59 | greycat | How would we know what the ubuntu pxe config choices are? |
| 17:00.02 | ChrisWi | hope you understand now ... |
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| 17:01.16 | ChrisWi | greycat: ohhh is ubuntu so much different than debian ? |
| 17:01.33 | ChrisWi | greycat: is there something similar to debian ? |
| 17:03.49 | greycat | finds https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall but still does not know *what you are doing* at all. |
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| 17:04.02 | greycat | Are you trying to INSTALL ubuntu? Or ... something other? |
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| 17:06.32 | ChrisWi | greycat: yes ... and debian ... and CentOS ... and SuSE ... All via PXE and install Sources are provided via http/ftp |
| 17:07.26 | ChrisWi | afk |
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| 17:07.55 | greycat | So... what, you're trying to do some weird two-stage thing? Where the hardware boots from the PXE server which gives it a URL pointing to an HTTP resource for "the rest"? That sounds like twice as much work. |
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| 17:10.48 | jelly | I suspect many distros now have image-based installers so pointing to where .iso is lying is actually useful |
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| 17:12.30 | teraflops | yeah archlinux does it |
| 17:12.43 | teraflops | well it does pxe actually |
| 17:12.47 | teraflops | https://releng.archlinux.org/pxeboot/ |
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| 17:13.52 | id10t | ChrisWi, best bet (for debian anyway) is to load the netinstall image via pxe/netboot. not sure if the other distros you mention have netinstallers. but in our labs we load Mint ISOs via netboot also, so the same method may work for any isntallation dvd/cd |
| 17:15.04 | id10t | ChrisWi, and nfs is as easy as settign up the exports file |
| 17:15.19 | greycat | All of that nfsroot stuff sounds more like he's setting up a permanent diskless client, rather than doing an install. But the snippet he gave is so completely foreign, I couldn't even figure out what it meant. |
| 17:17.28 | ChrisWi | greycat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro#TFTP_Server |
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| 17:26.36 | ChrisWi | id10t: I know that NFS is easy ... but this would mean 'another service' to provide the same I already can reach via http/ftp ... |
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| 17:27.40 | Angs | what IPv6 tunneling is better to use Miredo packet or SiixXS' ayiya? |
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| 17:34.39 | hiya | how to save iptables rules in Debian Jessie? |
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| 17:35.39 | greycat | Pick a file, and redirect the output of iptables-save there. |
| 17:36.57 | socomm | hiya: I think there's short tutorial on the Debian wiki on just that. |
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| 17:37.37 | socomm | https://wiki.debian.org/iptables - scroll down a bit |
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| 17:38.28 | stoned | High is a much more common word. Entirely too many highlights. Very annoying. |
| 17:38.56 | greycat | Not as many stonedlights. |
| 17:39.11 | stoned | :) |
| 17:39.28 | stoned | greycat: how do you do ? How's elinks working out so far? |
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| 17:39.53 | greycat | Tolerable. I don't use it extensively so it may take a long time to get used to it. |
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| 17:40.17 | littlebear | greycat, if you want command line only lynx works as well |
| 17:40.29 | stoned | chuckles |
| 17:41.41 | stormmore | has any one got rsync to concatenate files? |
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| 17:42.10 | julius | hi |
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| 17:43.14 | julius | got a usb soundcard that i would like to test temporarly, online i found this command: pacmd set-card-profile 2 output:analog-stereo the 2 is from: pacmd list-cards but that does not change the output, sound comes still from the normal card. any idea how to change this? |
| 17:44.41 | greycat | littlebear: Wheezy's lynx stopped being able to reach some huge fraction of all of the https:// URLs in the world, within the last month or so. |
| 17:44.41 | greycat | littlebear: something to do with changes to gnutls, which apparently nothing else uses. |
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| 17:45.34 | petn-randall | julius: Do you have pulseaudio installed? |
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| 17:46.41 | julius | oh wait, this as root: pacmd set-default-sink 2 seems todo the trick |
| 17:46.47 | julius | at least now i get mono out of the card |
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| 17:47.09 | futileRNB | ? what is the best place to get help with a muniun issue |
| 17:47.18 | julius | ah, now it works |
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| 17:48.34 | futileRNB | i am haing the missing graph issue and a newbie this is the debug output http://pastebin.com/shjhrku3 |
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| 17:50.14 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 17:50.31 | tite12345 | Why is it that everytime I reboot my internet connection always get disconnected? |
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| 17:52.33 | zykotick9 | tite12345: what? you want your internet connection to remain as you computer reboots? good luck with that. |
| 17:52.46 | tite12345 | zykotick9: No |
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| 17:53.03 | tite12345 | zykotick9: What I mean is I don't automatically get connected everytime I reboot |
| 17:53.33 | tite12345 | Like, after logging in, I have to "forget" the last internet connection I had and have to type in the password again -_- |
| 17:53.33 | zykotick9 | tite12345: ahhh. not what you origionally stated. best of luck, i've got nothin' |
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| 17:53.38 | petn-randall | julius: Running it as root is most likely the wrong way. These command should work as normal user. |
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| 17:53.57 | tite12345 | zykotick9: Huh? |
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| 17:54.44 | zykotick9 | tite12345: a) i understand you issue now b) i don't have any suggestions c) good luck |
| 17:54.52 | tite12345 | zykotick9: Ah |
| 17:54.54 | zykotick9 | s/you/your/ |
| 17:54.56 | tite12345 | zykotick9: :( |
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| 17:59.34 | izabera | hello, does anyone know where to get help for ltrace? |
| 17:59.42 | WormFood | Does anyone have any ideas why both firefox and chrome force me to type so painfully slow? It doesn't miss any keystrokes, but if I type "too fast" it gets the letters/spaces out of order, and I'm definitely typing it right. |
| 17:59.59 | WormFood | izabera, what kinda help? |
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| 18:00.25 | nedstark | WormFood, try disabling all those scripts they have, like url prediction, recommendations, etc |
| 18:00.29 | id10t | WormFood, where are you typing? could be crappy javascript/ajax/web design stuff doing it |
| 18:00.33 | izabera | trying to write the definition for wcstol but the first argument is a wide string and i'm failing |
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| 18:00.59 | nedstark | some times have javascript requiring a brand new $700 pc to run properly |
| 18:01.01 | WormFood | id10t, that is my guess. and yes, the pages I'm having trouble with uses Javashit/ajax |
| 18:01.11 | WormFood | My machine is plenty fast enough |
| 18:01.41 | id10t | WormFood, if this is at work, bitch to the tea drinking mac using graphical designer that created the mess |
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| 18:01.47 | id10t | if elsewhere, well ... |
| 18:01.55 | greycat | izabera: sounds like ##c as a first guess |
| 18:01.58 | WormFood | 2.3 Ghz, quad code AMD, with 24 gigs of ram, should enough to type stuff in a browser |
| 18:02.07 | izabera | hi greycat |
| 18:02.12 | izabera | i'll try asking there |
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| 18:13.17 | Psychiatrist | Hey guys, if my laptop has an i5 processor -- I can download the 64-bit AMD64 version of Debian 8.3 Jessie and it will run, right? |
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| 18:13.25 | greycat | Psychiatrist: yes |
| 18:13.26 | WormFood | yes, of course |
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| 18:13.51 | greycat | The main gotcha for laptops is usually the wireless driver firmware. |
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| 18:14.46 | zykotick9 | ^ "if" you have the "wrong" hardware ;) |
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| 18:15.27 | akaWolf | hi guys |
| 18:15.33 | Psychiatrist | Thanks guys. I'll cross that bridge if I come to it, greycat, thanks for the heads up! |
| 18:15.41 | akaWolf | is it possible to install debian without internet connection? |
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| 18:16.06 | greycat | Yes, if you have all of the packages you want on your installation media. |
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| 18:16.25 | akaWolf | greycat: debian installer ask for the mirror |
| 18:16.35 | greycat | So? Let it fail. |
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| 18:16.50 | zykotick9 | akaWolf: note, even with netinst you can install a very "minimal" debian without network. |
| 18:16.51 | greycat | Then go on to the next step yourself, if you have to. |
| 18:17.40 | zykotick9 | akaWolf: note2, if you install without network, your sources.list will NOT be complete when you do get network. |
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| 18:18.15 | akaWolf | zykotick9: I'm helping my friend with install... |
| 18:18.36 | akaWolf | he download debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 18:18.48 | greycat | If the machine is ever going to be networked in the future, you *really* want to install it with network available, so you can immediately get your security patches, not to mention the correct sources.list (which for some reason the installer FUCKS UP BADLY in the absence of network). |
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| 18:23.27 | randomdude | Sup everyone! I am having problem getting Unetbootin (need finding -> apt-cache search unetbootin |
| 18:23.29 | akaWolf | my friend said that installer can't go without setting mirror... |
| 18:23.44 | randomdude | What is the problem? Source list is non-free added |
| 18:24.12 | zykotick9 | randomdude: it's been removed i believe, cause it liked to break debian images... |
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| 18:24.30 | randomdude | zykotick9: It might explain why I cannot find it :) |
| 18:24.33 | randomdude | Any other alternative? |
| 18:24.34 | akaWolf | so country -> mirror -> proxy. after fail. after from beginning. |
| 18:24.36 | greycat | akaWolf: it'll kick you back to the main menu, and you can choose a step. |
| 18:24.48 | markybob | randomdude, are you just trying to copy debian iso to a usb stick or something? |
| 18:24.50 | zykotick9 | randomdude: for debian ISOs, cp/cat/dd work. |
| 18:25.12 | randomdude | markybob: I have a USB 2.0 and want to extract the ISO file to it so I can run it on a other PC |
| 18:25.17 | randomdude | zykostick9: Same there |
| 18:25.23 | markybob | randomdude, cp image.iso /dev/sdX |
| 18:25.30 | markybob | !tell randomdude about ig |
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| 18:25.40 | randomdude | markybob will try and come back :) |
| 18:25.41 | akaWolf | greycat: he can't choose a step after mirror/proxy |
| 18:26.07 | zykotick9 | randomdude: note markybob's tip doesn't have a partition number just sdX just the letter, no number after |
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| 18:26.26 | randomdude | markybob;: Will look uo :) Thanks |
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| 18:26.51 | randomdude | zykostick9: lsblk -> sdb (USB DEVICE) |
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| 18:27.15 | zykotick9 | randomdude: assuming sdb is the right one, yes that's right. |
| 18:27.25 | randomdude | Will try thanks guys :) |
| 18:28.02 | randomdude | zykotick9 and markkbob: I am considering moving to Mint because it is more "friendly" I am a newbie, should I stay on Debian to learn more or go to other dist? |
| 18:28.21 | randomdude | I truly wanted Debian because it does not have privacy concern as Ubuntu (Amazon) |
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| 18:29.30 | markybob | randomdude, never used mint. can't say. #debian has pretty great support, though. |
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| 18:29.45 | zykotick9 | markybob: +1 |
| 18:29.59 | randomdude | Will stick to it until I destroy my PC :) |
| 18:30.04 | Mathisen | anyone have time to help me 2 sec with samba problem ? all my settings should be right. can anyone see anythin that i missed here ... output from smb.conf >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14859479/ output for samba service >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14859474/ |
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| 18:31.30 | zykotick9 | Mathisen: based on your chosen paste site, perhaps you are looking for #ubuntu |
| 18:31.38 | Quatroking | not sure if this is on topic, but does anybody know a program/game that simulates a city or something that I can just run 24/7 and check up on every once in a while |
| 18:31.40 | akaWolf | greycat: can it be something bad with unetbootin install? |
| 18:31.55 | Mathisen | zykotick9, they dont answer but is not the settings pretty mutch the same... |
| 18:32.25 | greycat | I have no friggin' clue what a "unetbootin install" is. If your mirror search fails, you should get an error, and a cancel button or something. You "click" (with keyboard) the cancel button, and you get to the main menu, which you probably never actually saw before. |
| 18:32.26 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell Mathisen about based on debian |
| 18:32.41 | Mathisen | i know ubuntu is based on debian |
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| 18:33.11 | zykotick9 | Mathisen: but do you understand ubuntu != debian? and isn't supported in #debian? |
| 18:33.24 | akaWolf | hm? |
| 18:33.35 | randomdude | Guys, random question but Debian is supposed to be the one of the most stable dist |
| 18:33.39 | nedstark | unless his questions is about an app from the debian repo |
| 18:33.40 | randomdude | How come I get random freezes? |
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| 18:34.07 | randomdude | Note: New laptop and no RAM-problem |
| 18:34.07 | Mathisen | zykotick9, yeah i get it.. still samba settings are kinda same |
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| 18:34.11 | nedstark | ubuntu is half-debian, half-shuttleworth |
| 18:34.25 | Mathisen | just wanted som insight from someone that knows what they are doing |
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| 18:34.52 | zykotick9 | Mathisen: your choice of distro, should include the support you will get... just food for thought. |
| 18:35.09 | akaWolf | why can the installer don't let the install without internet? |
| 18:35.28 | Mitzelflick | if linux then archlinux |
| 18:35.37 | Mitzelflick | lately freebsd is nice |
| 18:35.49 | nedstark | i too wish it would just save the repo setting even if you're disconnected and install what it can from the iso |
| 18:36.01 | nedstark | thats due for a rewrite |
| 18:36.27 | randomdude | marybob: It keeps loading and nothing is happning :O |
| 18:36.34 | randomdude | Running as su to |
| 18:36.36 | nedstark | or maybe just a replacement |
| 18:36.42 | nedstark | there are better install apps |
| 18:36.51 | johnny0 | akaWolf: is this an install from an iso written to a usb stick? |
| 18:36.59 | randomdude | zykotick9: root@Debian:/home/random/Desktop# cp Win10_1511_N_EnglishInternational_x64.iso /dev/sdb |
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| 18:37.20 | randomdude | markybob: root@Debian:/home/random/Desktop# cp Win10_1511_N_EnglishInternational_x64.iso /dev/sdb |
| 18:37.20 | markybob | oh dear |
| 18:37.21 | zykotick9 | randomdude: that _isn't_ a debian iso! |
| 18:37.30 | markybob | randomdude, it's for debian only |
| 18:37.33 | randomdude | :OOOooOOOo |
| 18:37.41 | nedstark | windows 10 debian edition |
| 18:37.41 | randomdude | should I cancel? |
| 18:37.44 | randomdude | :O |
| 18:37.45 | randomdude | LOL |
| 18:37.46 | randomdude | :D::D |
| 18:37.52 | randomdude | omg |
| 18:37.58 | markybob | i have no idea how to put windows on usb. never touch the stuff |
| 18:38.01 | randomdude | well it stopped |
| 18:38.03 | nedstark | satteya had this great idea of putting a win10 desktop on top of debian |
| 18:38.18 | akaWolf | johnny0: yep |
| 18:38.24 | randomdude | So any alternative to UnetBootin guys? |
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| 18:38.30 | randomdude | I need to fix my Windows installation for gaming |
| 18:38.46 | Psychiatrist | randomdude, rufus |
| 18:38.48 | randomdude | markybob and zykotick: I failed .... .:D |
| 18:38.50 | akaWolf | johnny0: unetbootin was used |
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| 18:39.02 | randomdude | pyschiatrist: Rufus is only for Windows? |
| 18:39.03 | nedstark | randomdude: you can write an iso to disc from either linux shell or mac os shell with dd |
| 18:39.42 | Psychiatrist | randomdude, It seems so, my bad. |
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| 18:39.51 | nedstark | or you can use this http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 18:40.16 | randomdude | nedstark: GOnna look into Pendrive but I think that was only Windows to? |
| 18:40.17 | akaWolf | "an error has been detected while trying to use the specified Debian archive mirror" |
| 18:40.25 | greycat | akaWolf: what options do you have? |
| 18:40.47 | akaWolf | greycat: what do you mean by "options"? where? |
| 18:40.55 | greycat | akaWolf: what things can you do on the screen now? |
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| 18:41.06 | greycat | Is there <Ok>, <Back>, <Cancel>, what? |
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| 18:41.45 | nedstark | randomdude: this is how you write it in linux from the shell dd if=Win10DebianEdition1.0.1-i386-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/dvdrw (or other device) |
| 18:41.49 | akaWolf | "Go back" and "Continue" |
| 18:42.14 | akaWolf | "Continue" let choose step |
| 18:42.14 | greycat | Try "Go back" first. If that doesn't take you back to the main menu, try something else. |
| 18:42.24 | greycat | Or fine, if Continue got you to the menu, then that's great. |
| 18:42.43 | akaWolf | yep, but can't skip step |
| 18:42.46 | greycat | Now select whatever the next step is (setting up a user account? boot loader? I don't remember the exact sequence) |
| 18:42.48 | akaWolf | with mirrors |
| 18:42.53 | greycat | Skip the mirrors. |
| 18:43.04 | akaWolf | can't... |
| 18:43.19 | randomdude | nedstark: You honor my, m'm Liege! |
| 18:43.26 | greycat | For the love of god, I don't have a copy of the installer running on a computer here in front of me to compare to. |
| 18:43.26 | johnny0 | greycat: i think i've run into this issue before when installing via an iso on a usb stick -- mind if i butt in? |
| 18:43.32 | greycat | Go ahead. |
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| 18:44.16 | johnny0 | akaWolf: in the loop you're stuck in there's likely a prompt asking you to install a cdrom driver or give the path of the cdrom -- you can give it the path of your usb stick device |
| 18:44.25 | randomdude | nedstark: at dvdrw I should put sdb (because I am writting to a USB) |
| 18:44.36 | nedstark | yes |
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| 18:45.01 | johnny0 | either that or you can mount your usb stick to whatever the default cdrom mount path is for the installer -- that's probably /cdrom |
| 18:45.06 | nedstark | if you ever have 2 partitions, like sdb1 and sdb2, you still just say sdb |
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| 18:45.30 | randomdude | nedstark: Thanks and will try now! |
| 18:45.40 | randomdude | nedstark: Hope I do not fail :D |
| 18:45.49 | greycat | johnny0: hmm, that makes it sound like the network failure caused it to write the *wrong* sources.list with a /dev/cdrom entry instead of a USB-device entry... |
| 18:45.50 | zykotick9 | johnny0: or, just not use unetbootin to create the usb... |
| 18:46.01 | nedstark | be very precise, the dd command needs precision |
| 18:46.10 | greycat | what the fuck is unetbootin and why did you use it |
| 18:46.18 | akaWolf | johnny0: oh looks like that's exactly what I've goty |
| 18:46.19 | johnny0 | zykotick9: i've run into this problem before with both the dd and the cp method |
| 18:46.22 | nedstark | things can really get messed up if you type the wrong drive letter |
| 18:46.56 | zykotick9 | johnny0: looking for the cd image is _common_ when you create the usb with unetbootin. i've never heard of it with cp/cat/dd... but maybe?! |
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| 18:47.37 | akaWolf | johnny0: what do you mean by path? |
| 18:47.46 | akaWolf | /dev/sXXX? |
| 18:47.56 | randomdude | nedstark: Indeed...I wrote sdb instead of sdb1 |
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| 18:48.04 | randomdude | But it is "working" |
| 18:48.50 | johnny0 | akaWolf: yes, whatever the usb stick is |
| 18:49.10 | akaWolf | johnny0: how can I boot into shell? |
| 18:49.22 | greycat | akaWolf: press Ctrl-Alt-F2 |
| 18:49.29 | akaWolf | ok! |
| 18:49.35 | akaWolf | VTs |
| 18:49.35 | johnny0 | akaWolf: if you use the cp or dd method, you just give the device directly -- if you used ubootwhatever i'm not sure if you give the partition or the device |
| 18:49.39 | greycat | There is also a log on Ctrl-Alt-F4 |
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| 18:50.32 | randomdude | nedstark: Still loading... |
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| 18:52.17 | kmtodebian | hi guys |
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| 18:53.16 | randomdude | kmtodebian: Hello :) |
| 18:53.23 | kmtodebian | canyou check an error please? |
| 18:53.27 | kmtodebian | http://paste.debian.net/plain/378201 |
| 18:53.41 | kmtodebian | there are my repos and at the end the error |
| 18:54.00 | kmtodebian | something is wrong? |
| 18:54.02 | randomdude | Nedstark: Should I cancel it? |
| 18:54.07 | randomdude | Still loading -_- |
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| 18:54.38 | markybob | kmtodebian, read http://mozilla.debian.net/ ...on the front page it tells you how to fix it. install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring |
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| 18:55.04 | kmtodebian | I tried but I don't know hot to do it |
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| 18:55.31 | markybob | kmtodebian, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring && sudo apt-get update |
| 18:55.31 | kmtodebian | I download it and? |
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| 18:56.02 | jelly | kmtodebian: you install the package named "pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring", no need to manually download stuff |
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| 18:56.42 | kmtodebian | done it but it gives me the same error |
| 18:57.15 | randomdude | fuck this shit |
| 18:57.24 | jelly | kmtodebian: and then you run apt-get update again, like marky says |
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| 18:57.28 | markybob | kmtodebian, yes, it does that. until you do the second sudo apt-get update after installing it |
| 18:58.11 | kmtodebian | the error continues |
| 18:58.13 | akaWolf | johnny0: greycat thanks, my friend will try |
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| 18:58.32 | kmtodebian | and I have updated it like markybob said |
| 18:58.50 | randomdude | FINALLY it worked ! |
| 18:59.04 | jelly | kmtodebian: pastebin the output of your installation of pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring and "apt-get update" and also of "apt-key list" run as root |
| 18:59.05 | randomdude | thanks Nedstark and sorry for spamming |
| 18:59.11 | akaWolf | it would be much easy if the guy who want to install debian is me, but it's my friend, so... |
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| 18:59.39 | kmtodebian | how can I put it in english? |
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| 19:00.17 | greycat | (export LANG=en_US.utf8 ; ... ; ... ) |
| 19:00.22 | kmtodebian | it says something about error gpg |
| 19:00.27 | randomdude | How long does it take for a newbie to extract a ISO to a USB? 2 hours for me -_- |
| 19:00.29 | kmtodebian | about the signs |
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| 19:00.47 | greycat | Depends on the size of the ISO image. |
| 19:00.59 | greycat | And "extract" is a misleading word there. You're just writing it. |
| 19:01.16 | randomdude | greycay: 3.8 GB, was thinking that dd would not work but it did....there is no "progress bar" |
| 19:01.21 | jelly | kmtodebian: open a root shell first ("sudo -i", or "su -"). inside that shell, run "export LC_ALL=C". Then run relevant commands |
| 19:01.29 | jeep | randomdude: your computer is only usb1 ? |
| 19:01.36 | jelly | kmtodebian: but I really wanted to see the output of your initial installation |
| 19:01.57 | randomdude | jeept1? What do you mean by USB11? I have 3.0 as USB version and a SSD |
| 19:02.01 | randomdude | 1* |
| 19:02.15 | randomdude | on the USB port and the USB device was USB 3.0 |
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| 19:02.35 | jelly | greycat: LC_ALL overrides any LANG or LC_MESSAGES or LC_* really |
| 19:02.37 | jeep | randomdude: ok then im lost as to the hours long event then |
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| 19:02.56 | randomdude | jeep: Me just troubleshooting.... I am a newbie overall |
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| 19:03.09 | randomdude | :) |
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| 19:04.44 | kmtodebian | jelly http://paste.debian.net/plain/378202 |
| 19:05.36 | markybob | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 19:05.39 | jelly | kmtodebian: so.... run "apt-get install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring" and "apt-get update" |
| 19:05.41 | markybob | that's your problem |
| 19:05.45 | jelly | blames markybob |
| 19:05.50 | markybob | jelly, shut up :P |
| 19:05.54 | jelly | absence of sudo is not a problem |
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| 19:06.15 | jelly | ASSUMING sudo is there OTOH :-> |
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| 19:07.19 | jelly | now I'm not going to say "debian is not ubuntu" but... |
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| 19:09.59 | greycat | kmtodebian: Just do it without the 'sudo'. Since the apt-get worked, you must already have been root. Also note, "W:" is just a Warning, i.e. a nonfatal message. |
| 19:10.14 | kmtodebian | jelly thank you |
| 19:10.40 | kmtodebian | no error anymore |
| 19:10.44 | kmtodebian | :D |
| 19:10.51 | kmtodebian | btw, are my repos ok? |
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| 19:11.00 | markybob | and install sudo while you're at it :P |
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| 19:11.03 | markybob | kmtodebian, yeah they look fine |
| 19:11.10 | kmtodebian | http://paste.debian.net/plain/378201 |
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| 19:11.38 | kmtodebian | somebody dont use contrib and non-free |
| 19:11.48 | kmtodebian | why? |
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| 19:13.22 | zykotick9 | kmtodebian: i don't use contrib or non-free, so i can have a 100% free software install |
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| 19:14.08 | kmtobebian2 | sorry jelly my connection is gone |
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| 19:14.35 | kmtobebian2 | if I put contrib and non-free to all of my repos is ok? |
| 19:14.50 | greycat | yes, that's ok |
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| 19:14.58 | cek | Hi. Where are http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/webboot/ kernel options documented? |
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| 19:15.22 | jelly | kmtobebian2: np, the network is having hiccups. If you need software from those, then yes. |
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| 19:16.18 | kmtobebian2 | jelly so is not ok? |
| 19:16.21 | kmtobebian2 | I see that someone use it and someone not |
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| 19:16.37 | zykotick9 | kmtobebian2: it's up to YOU... |
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| 19:17.04 | greycat | kmtobebian2: he wrote "np" which means "no problem", not "no" |
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| 19:17.15 | kmtobebian2 | sorry |
| 19:17.17 | kmtobebian2 | my miastake |
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| 19:17.21 | kmtobebian2 | mistake |
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| 19:17.38 | kmtobebian2 | now, if I wish to uodate xfce to the latest version? |
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| 19:18.14 | jelly | kmtobebian2: the mozilla.debian.net repo is special, no need to add contrib and non-free there. And you seem to already have those enabled elsewher |
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| 19:18.26 | jelly | ,v xfce4 |
| 19:18.27 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.12.2; stretch: 4.12.2 |
| 19:18.44 | kmtobebian2 | no way to have latest version on stable? |
| 19:18.45 | markybob | kmtobebian2, backports doesn't have the latest. so you can't have it in jessie |
| 19:18.47 | kmtobebian2 | no backports? |
| 19:18.51 | jelly | kmtobebian2: there is no backport of 4.12 for debian 8, no |
| 19:19.08 | mi11k1 | Can somebody tell me the best way to start and stop port forwards? with a init.d script? |
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| 19:19.36 | gapi | Trubles on dist-upgrade with nvidia 352 driver on computer with older graphic card How i reinstall nvidia legacy Please help |
| 19:19.40 | kmtobebian2 | BTW debian is wonderful |
| 19:19.58 | kmtobebian2 | a little bit difficult to set at the start |
| 19:20.05 | mi11k1 | gapi, i only had luck with drivers from nvidia |
| 19:20.08 | kmtobebian2 | but it works perfectly |
| 19:20.24 | kmtobebian2 | and xfce is amazing too |
| 19:20.26 | greycat | mi11k1: if you're doing iptables stuff, I think the recommendation is to put a line like "pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.conf" in your interface's stanze in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:20.39 | greycat | stanza* |
| 19:20.41 | kmtobebian2 | debian stable xfce is the best solution I found till now |
| 19:20.47 | gapi | apt-get install nvidia-drivers work till day before |
| 19:20.49 | kmtobebian2 | + backports |
| 19:20.55 | kmtobebian2 | :D |
| 19:20.55 | jelly | mi11k1: "best" is a matter of requirements. you could install iptables-persistent package, and start and stop the "netfilter-persistent" service. |
| 19:20.55 | mi11k1 | greycat, well, i have a script in if-up. |
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| 19:21.38 | markybob | gapi, couldn't but notice it was dist-upgrade. which debian version are you running? |
| 19:21.41 | mi11k1 | gapi, i had to download from nvidia and run their install |
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| 19:22.04 | gapi | stretch aka 8 i think |
| 19:22.08 | mi11k1 | jelly, just some ssh temp stuff |
| 19:22.10 | markybob | gapi, yeah don't do that |
| 19:22.29 | greycat | Debian 8.x is Jessie, not stretch |
| 19:22.40 | gapi | ok then 9 |
| 19:22.40 | markybob | gapi, you might have better luck in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net as that's the official stretch channel |
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| 19:23.08 | greycat | stretch does not have a version number yet -- it is still just testing |
| 19:23.14 | kmtobebian2 | jelly how can I add whisky menu on my xfce?? |
| 19:23.33 | mi11k1 | gapi, i read that some of these nvidia drivers are a pain because the sound is built in with it |
| 19:23.52 | mi11k1 | gapi, lets say mine is headless now |
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| 19:24.58 | gapi | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:24.58 | gapi | stretch/sid |
| 19:25.02 | mi11k1 | greycat, something like gstm for commandline |
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| 19:25.07 | cek | it seems livecd initram doens't have LVM functionality. Am I right? |
| 19:25.12 | markybob | gapi, yep. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:46.55 | abrotman | cek: you'd have to ask the Debian Live project |
| 19:47.03 | abrotman | cek: alternately, use the installer in rescue mode |
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| 19:47.30 | cek | i've loaded kernel and initrd via tftp. how do i tell it to load squash? |
| 19:47.35 | abrotman | which ISO? |
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| 19:48.30 | Barth_ | guten abend |
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| 19:55.39 | sweb | any simple solution for failover proxy cache server on debian ? i need webserver to pass all data to backend server if backend server going down serve the cache version of request even if not cache version (Cache-Control, Expires, Last-Modified) |
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| 19:56.22 | wyoung | sweb: squid |
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| 19:58.55 | mi11k1 | i setup squid a few days ago |
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| 20:00.43 | mi11k1 | sweb, this is the config i used http://pastebin.com/456wrkS2 |
| 20:01.15 | sweb | mi11k1: thank you |
| 20:02.14 | mi11k1 | sweb, i cant find the link for the walkthrough |
| 20:02.23 | sweb | mi11k1: i try to nginx but when backend is down nginx show an error instead of cache version http://serverfault.com/questions/752838/nginx-use-proxy-cache-if-backend-is-down |
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| 20:02.42 | n_blowna_ | tried to do an autoremove while in a delrious state. It seemed to remove plenty. I didn't notice at first, but now my wifi is compromised, with poor to no reception. people in irc's helped me install a driver to no avail. also, the only thing I was certain to have removed was a chat client. is it likely I removed the drivers or other key software for the wifi? |
| 20:02.42 | n_blowna_ | I don't know the exact command I used thanks |
| 20:03.35 | greycat | You should be able to get a log of what has been done, in /var/log/dpkg.log (and its rotated versions) |
| 20:03.37 | mi11k1 | sweb, im not very familiar with networking, i just wanted to try it on my gateway |
| 20:04.13 | ell80 | yo all. Just one question. Im in kali or debian. Before, when i type ifconfig command i has my mac adresse and other information. Update system ago i have in ifconfig command informations like flags and mtu. Any people know why ? |
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| 20:04.38 | ell80 | it is normal? |
| 20:05.06 | n_blowna_ | greycat: is that directed to me? thank you... |
| 20:05.51 | n_blowna_ | with a lot of help I was unable to get the wifi to recognize the driver apparently. |
| 20:05.54 | mi11k1 | sweb, pastebin.com/b1JXW3Fz, heres a note i made on that |
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| 20:06.33 | mi11k1 | n_blowna_, what was the problem? |
| 20:06.46 | mi11k1 | what kind of wifi? |
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| 20:07.20 | n_blowna_ | mi11k1: thanks, one sec |
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| 20:07.58 | n_blowna_ | sorry not a tech person : I looked Dell Wireless 1705. |
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| 20:08.36 | n_blowna_ | it is an Inspiron 3847 with i3 chip. |
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| 20:09.11 | mi11k1 | n_blowna_, did you install firmware-athereos package? |
| 20:09.27 | mi11k1 | and firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 20:09.35 | ell80 | you have not wifi? |
| 20:09.45 | mi11k1 | you need to edit sources.list and add non-free |
| 20:10.07 | n_blowna_ | mi11k1: the reception is poor. in this chat someone helped me install a driver, sorry the machine is at home .. no non of those... we installed a driver with a "9" in the number. |
| 20:10.16 | prashant001 | can i get any help on how to get started for gsoc2016? |
| 20:10.20 | ell80 | type : lspci | grep Network for informations |
| 20:10.44 | ell80 | next try to install wifi driver |
| 20:10.58 | mi11k1 | n_blowna_, add nonfree to sources and install firmware-atheros package as i think its a qualcomm/atheros chipset |
| 20:12.00 | zykotick9 | mi11k1: my qualcomm/atheros certainly doesn't need non-free? |
| 20:12.00 | mi11k1 | n_blowna_, maybe try setting your country "iw reg set ??" |
| 20:12.20 | mi11k1 | i just though it was in non-free |
| 20:12.20 | MACscr | anyone know how to bring a target online with tgtadmn? seems the same command for changing the state to offline doesnt actually allow you to bring it online the same way. very odd |
| 20:12.27 | mi11k1 | i just automatically enable |
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| 20:13.20 | MACscr | oh, nvm. its ready vs online |
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| 20:14.12 | n_blowna_ | mi11k1: if you have time, could you / ell80 kindly post precise instructions for installing the packages, including the whole bit about the non-free ? thank you! |
| 20:14.39 | sweb | mi11k1: i found another solution what you think ? i can use any cache mechanism and other checks ... https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy |
| 20:14.44 | mi11k1 | n_blowna_, just try sudo apt-get install firmware-atheros |
| 20:15.00 | n_blowna_ | ok anything else mi11k1 ? |
| 20:15.24 | mi11k1 | try that first, but if its working already, its probably already install |
| 20:15.38 | mi11k1 | try install a package calle wavemon |
| 20:16.01 | ell80 | n_blowna_: juste type in your console : lspci | grep Network |
| 20:16.09 | mi11k1 | sweb, thats a nodejs thing isnt it? |
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| 20:16.22 | ell80 | n_blowna_: and following informations appear install drivers |
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| 20:17.27 | n_blowna_ | ok I'll try all that ell80 mi11k1 -- thanks kindly . |
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| 20:17.58 | ell80 | you re welcom |
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| 20:28.03 | n_blownapart | hello I did some sort of autoremove command on a machine not in front of me. It removed a lot of packages I believe. Is it quite possible that it compromised the wifi reception ? (it barely works at all). |
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| 20:31.10 | sweb | mi11k1: yeah |
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| 20:32.05 | mi11k1 | sweb, well the squid is proabably way easier start to finish and maintain |
| 20:32.12 | mi11k1 | nodejs is a pain in the ass |
| 20:32.28 | petn-randall | n_blownapart: Do you mean the machine isn't reachable anymore? |
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| 20:33.52 | n_blownapart | sorry I am reasking my question petn-randall since I am envisioning just reinstalling a fresh system. no it's a home computer for tinkering and I am at work... |
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| 20:34.13 | mi11k1 | n_blownapart, use the command iwconfig or install wavemon and see some levels |
| 20:34.35 | mi11k1 | n_blownapart, are you using network-manager? |
| 20:34.39 | ompaul | n_blownapart: you could when you go home read the contents of the /var/apt/logs/ to see what you did |
| 20:34.57 | mi11k1 | or build a bi-quad |
| 20:35.07 | ompaul | mi11k1: they are remote from the machine and did some apt-get foo which they are unsure of |
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| 20:35.34 | mi11k1 | i know he was n_blowna a few mins ago |
| 20:35.42 | n_blownapart | iwconfig showed a 0 after a five digit number next to the driver name, indicating that it is not using the card I believe ? |
| 20:36.02 | mi11k1 | can you cut/paste it into pastebin? |
| 20:36.11 | n_blownapart | mi11k1: thanks I am just trying to get it together so when I get home I can try everything.. |
| 20:36.57 | mi11k1 | its probably on the other end, like router end, most of them are garbage |
| 20:37.45 | n_blownapart | not related to my gratuitous autoremove ? the machine is acting funny in other ways. i.e. after reboot (but not after proper shutdown) |
| 20:38.10 | mi11k1 | n_blownapart, what does dmesg say? |
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| 20:39.06 | n_blownapart | sorry friend the machine is at home .. I spent so much time last night and kept losing my connection in the middle of irc chats and wanted to work on it from work.. |
| 20:39.12 | n_blownapart | mi11k1: ^ |
| 20:39.21 | mi11k1 | ohhh boy |
| 20:39.59 | n_blownapart | a macbook in my room is getting a strong signal . |
| 20:40.24 | n_blownapart | so I think it's my machine |
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| 20:40.29 | mi11k1 | yah, macbooks have awesome chipsets in them |
| 20:41.06 | n_blownapart | ok thanks I 'll try your fix suggestions. PAX |
| 20:41.11 | mi11k1 | the only way to diagnise stuff is with info |
| 20:41.21 | mi11k1 | otherwise youre just guessing |
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| 20:41.24 | n_blownapart | yeah sorry I am shooting in the dark |
| 20:41.50 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: It's unlikely that removing files would lead to poor performance. Complete failure, yes, could be related but poor performance it probably something else like bad hardware. |
| 20:42.40 | n_blownapart | jhutchins: should I try an antennae ? |
| 20:43.12 | n_blownapart | the router is new in the house and supposedly is decent. |
| 20:43.31 | cek | How do I tell udev to reload things and accept my modified interfaces? |
| 20:43.35 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Well, if it worked well before, but doesn't work well now, look at what changed. If location or orientation changed, then yeah, mess with that. |
| 20:43.48 | cek | renamed eth2 to eth0 in persistent rules cfg . |
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| 20:43.53 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Looking at the logs and at dmesg shold give you better info. |
| 20:44.08 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell cek about 70 |
| 20:44.14 | n_blownapart | jhutchins: thanks I'll be on it tonight. |
| 20:44.20 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Also look at other problems that could be affecting performance. It sounds like an fsck (shutdown -Fr now) might be in order. |
| 20:44.41 | cek | udevadm trigger was the first cmd i issued after change |
| 20:44.52 | n_blownapart | jhutchins: that is a bash command? |
| 20:45.08 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Consider opening the case, vacuuming or blowing out dust, re-seating cards and cables. |
| 20:45.09 | mi11k1 | n_blownapart, i pm'd u |
| 20:45.17 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Yes, as root. |
| 20:45.44 | n_blownapart | thanks jhutchins ok mi11k1 one sec |
| 20:45.52 | cek | rmmod / modprobe the driver worked. thanks. |
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| 21:25.27 | Angs | I installed miredo that assigns IPv6 on my device, but I can't ping it from any remote PC. can anyone help me to define the problem? |
| 21:25.43 | Angs | do I need to manually set up the routing settings? |
| 21:26.22 | teraflops | nope |
| 21:26.56 | teraflops | Angs: whats the output of `ip -6 a` ? |
| 21:28.34 | Angs | teraflops, here is the output http://pastebin.com/FCeVRxww |
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| 21:29.26 | teraflops | Angs: hmm sorry i cannot click pastebin.com links |
| 21:29.39 | teraflops | the most of the time i need to insert cpatchas |
| 21:29.42 | teraflops | capchas* |
| 21:29.45 | teraflops | :S |
| 21:30.05 | Angs | I copied and pasted on http://paste.debian.net/378223/ |
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| 21:32.08 | teraflops | Angs: hmm can you e.g `ping6 2001:4860:4860::8888` |
| 21:32.38 | donofrio | any thoughts, I'm running debian 8 and got no text in ttys; here is the most recent xorg log http://apaste.info/Lfr |
| 21:32.58 | Angs | teraflops, no. but I can ping ping6 ipv6.google.com |
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| 21:33.15 | teraflops | Angs: hmm weird |
| 21:33.27 | Angs | teraflops, I see this output "connect: Network is unreachable |
| 21:33.27 | Angs | " when I try to ping the addr you pasted |
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| 21:33.55 | Angs | I use two different PCs, both can't ping my miredo IPv6 addr |
| 21:33.59 | Dagger | 2001:0:53aa:64c:38a7:2e34:aa14:fc78 is pingable for me |
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| 21:35.09 | Angs | hmmm. does it meant that my remote PCs have an issue? |
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| 21:36.02 | mutante | uhm, installing a fresh system, and i never ran across this error before, right at the "Install the base system" step, i get "Failed to determine the codename for the release." ... what |
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| 21:36.22 | Angs | I try it on the third PC, I see "network is unreachable" output |
| 21:36.32 | teraflops | Angs: i can ping too to 2001:0:53aa:64c:38a7:2e34:aa14:fc78 |
| 21:36.38 | Dagger | possibly, especially if they can't reach 2001:4860:4860::8888 either |
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| 21:38.37 | donofrio | any lightdm ati users in this channel? |
| 21:38.57 | simonlnu | !ask |
| 21:38.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:38.59 | Angs | I can ping 2001:4860:4860::8888 from the device that has " 2001:0:53aa:64c:38a7:2e34:aa14:fc78" addr, but not from other 3 PCs. are you currently using miredo? |
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| 21:39.39 | teraflops | Angs: 2001:4860:4860::8888 -> google ipv6 dns servers |
| 21:39.47 | teraflops | server* |
| 21:39.55 | DammitJim | can I generate an ssh key on my debian machine and then use it on another machine? |
| 21:40.02 | donofrio | I have no tty text and no x that I can see on my notebook I posted the xorg on my debian 8 netinstall |
| 21:40.07 | DammitJim | I already have one, but I need to set up another machine to use an ssh key |
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| 21:40.40 | greycat | DammitJim: yes, keys are portable. |
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| 21:41.11 | DammitJim | would I be overriding my current ssh keys if I generated a new set? |
| 21:41.11 | donofrio | anyone else have xorg/lightdm/tty issue on debian 8 with ati? |
| 21:41.18 | greycat | As long as both implementations are using OpenSSH, you don't even have to translate them. But if one of the other machines is using Putty or commercial-SSH, see man ssh-keygen. |
| 21:41.33 | greycat | You can specify a new filename for the keys. |
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| 21:41.50 | DammitJim | oh, I can? |
| 21:41.54 | teraflops | Angs: no idea, unless some ip6tables custom rules there |
| 21:41.57 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm.... .I guess I need to man it |
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| 21:42.29 | simonlnu | it's called manning up :P (teehee) |
| 21:42.45 | DammitJim | no, the Broncos are going to loose this weekend |
| 21:42.47 | mutante | DammitJim: it does not really matter what the file is called, and ssh-keygen will just ask you for a name |
| 21:42.55 | DammitJim | oh really? |
| 21:42.56 | simonlnu | "lose" |
| 21:43.02 | DammitJim | thanks lose |
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| 21:43.09 | simonlnu | np |
| 21:44.18 | teraflops | Angs: hmm can you reach e.g http://[2001:470:1f08:909::2] or whatever from web browser? |
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| 21:46.02 | Angs | teraflops, no I can't reach it from a web browser, I can't ping it |
| 21:46.09 | donofrio | hey so I netinstalled debian 8 on to my notebook and the lightdm/x11 is not visable, I also loaded the linux-firmware-nonfree to load the requered files, but now I'm not getting any visuals on the tty's and no graphics... ;( |
| 21:46.09 | laidback_01 | I kind of don't like the IPV6 addresses... used to calling my internal machines by their ipv4 address (which is statically assigned by DHCP using a mac address) |
| 21:46.34 | Angs | I have a windows8 PC that can't reach http://[2001:470:1f08:909::2] on web browser either |
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| 21:47.28 | Angs | I can't even wget |
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| 21:47.51 | teraflops | Angs: well, no idea, so 1 of 4 machines behind the same router can ping ipv6 but the other 3 dont? |
| 21:47.56 | simonlnu | do they have an ipv6 route to get there? |
| 21:48.28 | teraflops | simonlnu: it's teredo its a tunnel when you start the service it takes care of the routes |
| 21:48.41 | Angs | teraflops, 3 machines are behind the same router and 1 can ping, the other PC is a remote device that is on a different LAN, that one can't ping either |
| 21:48.43 | simonlnu | ah a tunnel app, ok. nm me then |
| 21:49.28 | Angs | I have default settings, maybe I need to changed forwarding etc. settings as you suggested |
| 21:49.44 | Angs | I changed some settings on the device that can ping the IPv6 |
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| 21:50.28 | teraflops | Angs: hmm, not really, so about those 2 machines in the same subnet one is debian and the other is? |
| 21:51.01 | Angs | they are ubuntu |
| 21:51.12 | teraflops | both of them? |
| 21:51.14 | Angs | remote PC is debian |
| 21:51.20 | Angs | yes |
| 21:51.33 | Angs | ubuntus can't ping, and the remote debian |
| 21:51.45 | teraflops | Angs: wait, they use wireless? |
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| 21:52.04 | Angs | yes, they three use wifi |
| 21:52.19 | Angs | and connected to the same AP |
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| 21:54.55 | teraflops | Angs: yeah I see. but i do not see anything wrong in the output you gave me |
| 21:55.22 | teraflops | Angs: it's pretty the same as in on machine i have here before I run miredo too |
| 21:55.28 | teraflops | one* |
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| 21:56.30 | donofrio | anyone here use ati |
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| 21:56.44 | simonlnu | no |
| 21:56.55 | simonlnu | no one uses it, not even people who do. |
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| 21:58.38 | donofrio | simonlnu: but you can reply "!dpkg "just ask" but when I do you say no-one used it??? |
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| 21:59.40 | teraflops | Angs: sorry I mean in on machine i have here _after_ I run miredo too. it's been a long day |
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| 22:00.54 | Angs | teraflops, thanks for still trying to help. I am puzzled why I can't ping |
| 22:01.19 | DammitJim | so, an ssh private key is not used in the authentication process, right? |
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| 22:01.40 | greycat | Incorrect. |
| 22:01.49 | teraflops | Angs: just restart the miredo service for the sake of your sanity :P |
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| 22:02.03 | teraflops | Angs: who knows ... |
| 22:02.45 | Angs | teraflops, I was wrong that I can't ping ping6 ipv6.google.com.. sorry that I provided a wrong info :( |
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| 22:03.03 | teraflops | Angs: yeah I supposed that :P |
| 22:03.10 | Angs | :D |
| 22:03.11 | Dagger | are you trying to use Teredo to give connectivity to multiple machines? |
| 22:03.28 | Dagger | it only supports one client device per tunnel. you need to run Teredo on each machine to do that |
| 22:03.29 | Angs | it is the next step after I am able to ping it :) |
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| 22:04.25 | Angs | my issue is that I have such network set up http://i.stack.imgur.com/AeZTo.png |
| 22:04.59 | Angs | I have IEEE 802.15.4 devices that runs 6lowpan (IPv6 implementation for sensor networks) and use a raspberrpi that runs debian as an edge router |
| 22:05.15 | teraflops | Angs: that's the first info you have to provide not the last |
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| 22:05.43 | Angs | RPI works on a network that doesn't have a native IPv6 network connection. I was trying to use mirendo to tunnel IPv6 traffic to IPv4 or vice-versa |
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| 22:06.09 | Angs | I need to be able to send a UDP unicast to my sensor devices |
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| 22:06.41 | Angs | raspberry pi can advertise the network preffix. can I use the same preffix that mirendo advertise? |
| 22:06.42 | teraflops | Angs: why don you use a tunnelbroker for getting ipv6 in your whole lan? |
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| 22:07.08 | Dagger | miredo doesn't give you a prefix, it gives you a single address |
| 22:07.12 | Angs | I don't have access to the access points |
| 22:07.16 | teraflops | Angs: i do dhcpv6 + radvd in my lan |
| 22:07.35 | Dagger | you'll have to get a proper tunnel from somewhere |
| 22:07.40 | teraflops | yeah |
| 22:07.44 | donofrio | anyone ever lost tty text? would like to know how to get it back? I mean I got ssh but would help to have tty1-4 working... |
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| 22:07.57 | Dagger | (I'd suggest tunnelbroker.net, though you might have fun getting it to work behind NAT) |
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| 22:08.08 | Angs | hmm I tried hurricane electric's tunneling, but it only allows 5 tunneling |
| 22:08.09 | greycat | once you switch away from a given Linux VT, the scrollback is gone. |
| 22:08.15 | Dagger | I'd also suggest /not/ SixXS, but you'll probably ignore me on that |
| 22:08.21 | teraflops | Dagger: i do he.net it performs pretty well |
| 22:08.23 | Angs | I need more tunneling posibility. what would be the best to use? |
| 22:08.27 | Angs | openVPN? |
| 22:08.29 | teraflops | Angs: he.net |
| 22:09.04 | teraflops | ah you mean vpn? you want openvpn in bridge mode i guess |
| 22:09.10 | Angs | het.net only max. 5 tunneling |
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| 22:09.24 | Angs | I need more tunneling possibility |
| 22:09.24 | teraflops | Angs: nope, 5 wan ips |
| 22:09.31 | Dagger | that's 5 tunnels, with a /48 on each |
| 22:09.50 | Dagger | do you mean you have 5 separate sites that need v6? or just >5 devices in once place? |
| 22:09.54 | enoch85 | banned? |
| 22:09.56 | enoch85 | ok |
| 22:09.58 | enoch85 | good |
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| 22:10.16 | Angs | I wanted to mean that I need more than 5 side devices |
| 22:10.17 | enoch85 | sorry about the ad thing... just wanted everyone to know... |
| 22:10.39 | teraflops | Angs: youll get a /48 :P |
| 22:10.41 | teraflops | heh |
| 22:10.54 | Angs | but it is per side, right? |
| 22:10.56 | teraflops | sire 5 pis fits in there |
| 22:11.04 | teraflops | fit* |
| 22:11.10 | Dagger | a /48 is 65,536 /64s, and each /64 will easily be big enough for 5 devices |
| 22:11.11 | Angs | site |
| 22:11.13 | Dagger | or 5 billion |
| 22:11.17 | teraflops | Dagger: :P |
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| 22:12.43 | teraflops | Angs: yeah and as I say I do dhcpv6 in my lan, the dhcpserver is a bananapi running the tunnel endpoint, then I do there dhcpv6 + radvd fot the /48 for my whole lan |
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| 22:13.45 | Angs | one raspberrpi will be a gateway for a sensor network at a geographical location, I will need more than 5 gateways that they will be all at a different geographical location |
| 22:13.59 | teraflops | Angs: then create more accounts |
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| 22:14.15 | Angs | yes, it is one solution :) |
| 22:14.17 | teraflops | 1 account = 5 endpoints (wan ipv4 address) |
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| 22:14.21 | Dagger | ok, then you've got a problem. but I think they're ok with you making multiple accounts |
| 22:14.42 | Dagger | (unless it's dozens and dozens of them or something) |
| 22:14.51 | teraflops | Dagger: yeah abuse |
| 22:14.56 | Angs | I will use it for a commercial purpose, maybe HE will cancel my accounts |
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| 22:15.21 | Dagger | you could also get a server somewhere and just make your own openvpn tunnels |
| 22:15.22 | teraflops | Angs: ask them |
| 22:15.35 | Dagger | which might be best if you're selling a service based on this |
| 22:16.03 | Angs | I have a server on IBM's softlayer platform. What I was thinking is to run openVPN to connect them |
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| 22:16.06 | teraflops | Angs: Dagger had a good point, you can get /64 for free in many vps providers |
| 22:16.23 | Angs | I just couldn't figure out how to route server packets to the sensor network |
| 22:16.27 | Dagger | one /64 for multiple sites? :| |
| 22:16.36 | teraflops | Angs: youll want openvpn on bridge mode btw |
| 22:16.46 | teraflops | since youre doing udp unicast |
| 22:16.53 | Angs | I will seach about it, thank you |
| 22:17.00 | teraflops | np good luck |
| 22:17.15 | teraflops | s/on/in |
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| 22:17.39 | Angs | thanks a lot for the advice :) |
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| 22:20.33 | teraflops | Dagger: hmm i mean i get /64 for free in e.g crissic solutions |
| 22:20.59 | Dagger | it /should/ be trivial to get more if you need it |
| 22:21.10 | Dagger | sadly a lot of these VPS providers don't even give any routed space at all :/ |
| 22:21.59 | quantic | Linode does, I know that. |
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| 22:22.48 | teraflops | linode is not having good times ... |
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| 22:23.28 | markybob | i never even had downtime with them during the attacks. *shrug* |
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| 22:31.31 | dimitry7 | hi |
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| 22:33.02 | tony7783896 | hi |
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| 22:33.40 | diocles | Evening. |
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| 22:44.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg |
| 22:44.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | How to fix this? |
| 22:44.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm on ubuntu 14.04 attempting to debootstrap Jessie |
| 22:44.58 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 22:47.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | nkuttler: Thanks |
| 22:47.44 | teraflops | TyrfingMjolnir: also apt-file is a good tool |
| 22:48.11 | teraflops | apt-file search debian-archive-keyring.gpg -> debian-archive-keyring: /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg |
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| 22:49.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is there a kernel 4.x already packaged for jessie? |
| 22:49.59 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 22:50.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 22:50.11 | markybob | TyrfingMjolnir, yes |
| 22:50.14 | nkuttler | !tell TyrfingMjolnir about backports |
| 22:50.18 | markybob | !tell TyrfingMjolnir about backports |
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| 22:51.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | Neat |
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| 22:52.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is there a way I can tell apt-get to use a different NIC than that of default gw? |
| 22:53.58 | diocles | TyrfingMjolnir: Why do you want to do that? :) Do you have a mirror somewhere? |
| 22:54.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | No |
| 22:54.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have a different ISP on one of the NICs |
| 22:54.43 | mutante | you could set a second route, besides the default gw |
| 22:54.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | how? |
| 22:55.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | I made sn for the swan: interface |
| 22:55.11 | mutante | the "route" command |
| 22:55.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | sn is a different routing table |
| 22:55.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | using policy routing |
| 22:55.31 | diocles | I'd guess you'd need the IP of the mirror, which would be a bit fragile. |
| 22:55.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | I can do ping -I swan 4.2.2.6 |
| 22:56.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | and it will use the swan interface |
| 22:56.09 | quantic | Ping is designed to do that. Apt is not. |
| 22:56.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | debootstrap loads wget, not curl... |
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| 22:58.16 | TTT | hi, I'm restoring debian from a backup, the /dev is empty, should I create some devices in there manually, or will initrd/udev take care of it and I should leave it empty? |
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| 23:01.11 | TyrfingMjolnir | Which arch do I pick for 32 bit? i386? |
| 23:01.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | or i686? |
| 23:01.15 | diocles | TTT: I'd try leaving it empty. |
| 23:01.28 | TTT | ok will do |
| 23:01.49 | diocles | TyrfingMjolnir: i386 is the arch name. |
| 23:02.24 | MeanEYE | Anyone has vague idea why installing Vim-Gnome requires Ruby? |
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| 23:03.22 | diocles | MeanEYE: that version is compiled with the ruby bindings. Not a fan? |
| 23:03.33 | WannaUSB | Hey guys, it seems impossible to get a bootable USB on Linux for me! |
| 23:03.35 | MeanEYE | Why would I want 60 megs of something I never use? |
| 23:03.50 | WannaUSB | dd if=debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 23:04.07 | quantic | WannaUSB: Address the bare device. /dev/sdb |
| 23:04.08 | WannaUSB | and rebooted and BIOS is correct -> The USB does not work |
| 23:04.13 | markybob | WannaUSB, you're doing it wrong |
| 23:04.15 | mutante | it's not just ruby. "support for scripting with Lua, Perl, Python, Ruby, and Tcl. |
| 23:04.20 | WannaUSB | markybob: Hello again |
| 23:04.27 | WannaUSB | Markybob: What is wrong? |
| 23:04.39 | WannaUSB | It is su previous to |
| 23:04.43 | markybob | WannaUSB, quantic told you. /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:05.03 | WannaUSB | markybob: Will do it again... then so to be clear -> dd if=debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdb |
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| 23:05.52 | markybob | WannaUSB, yeah that works. |
| 23:06.26 | diocles | MeanEYE: You could probably rebuild the package if you're that bothered. :) |
| 23:06.31 | WannaUSB | markybob: Thanks dude, :) |
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| 23:06.59 | MeanEYE | diocles, I am more bothered by the fact "vim" package doesn't require ruby, while "vim-gtk" does. Which makes zero sense. |
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| 23:08.57 | markybob | WannaUSB, wait a second. i just noticed you're using live. is it a uefi system? |
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| 23:10.24 | diocles | MeanEYE: Eh, I think the thinking is, "if you're building a gui, we might as well throw in all the interpreters" |
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| 23:10.57 | MeanEYE | diocles, so for next version I can expect to see Eclipse as dependency considering eclim is a thing. |
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| 23:11.41 | diocles | MeanEYE: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-vim/vim.git/tree/debian/rules <-- line 144 gets ALLINTERPFLAGS |
| 23:12.43 | MeanEYE | diocles, this is very odd way of supporting something. There's no way support was built in and then just tested on runtime. |
| 23:12.43 | diocles | MeanEYE: I doubt eclim is in the main vim source tree? :) |
| 23:12.53 | MeanEYE | It's not, I was being sarcastic. |
| 23:13.04 | MeanEYE | But now Vim pulls extra 60 or so megs of random stuff I never use. |
| 23:13.11 | MeanEYE | Gah. |
| 23:13.12 | uxfi | hey |
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| 23:13.53 | mutante | MeanEYE: why not just regular "vim" then |
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| 23:14.12 | MeanEYE | mutante, I prefer gui version. Better colors, cursors and binding handling. |
| 23:14.24 | zykotick9 | mutante: +1 |
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| 23:17.30 | diocles | MeanEYE: I can't find a wishlist bug for this, although I don't know whether the vim maintainers will want to add yet another binary package. |
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| 23:18.30 | MeanEYE | diocles, I don't think it would be the right solution to add another binary package. I am just finding it weird this couldn't be handled by plugin system of sorts and had to have static linking. |
| 23:18.38 | mutante | MeanEYE: another option might be to apt-get source the vim-gnome package, edit out the dependency on stuff you dont want, and then build it from that |
| 23:19.08 | MeanEYE | mutante, I'll consider it. Thanks. |
| 23:19.49 | diocles | MeanEYE: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729924 discusses that vim does have a dynamic linking option... |
| 23:19.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/729924 in vim (open): «vim: Add Python 3 support»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-11-18; last modified: 2016-01-14. |
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| 23:21.10 | WannaUSB | It worked thanks Markybob |
| 23:21.14 | WannaUSB | :=) |
| 23:21.29 | markybob | WannaUSB, great |
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| 23:21.35 | WannaUSB | Gonna use it for Windows now, and same way |
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| 23:23.06 | diocles | MeanEYE: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611573 discusses how dynamic loading of language bindings used to be enabled (and got turned off in the upload at the end) |
| 23:23.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/611573 in vim (closed): «vim: missing dependency on libperl»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-01-30; last modified: 2011-06-11. |
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| 23:23.56 | MeanEYE | diocles, thanks. Valuable resources. |
| 23:24.30 | diocles | MeanEYE: Well, it's been five years, maybe talk to the vim maintainers about it. |
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| 23:24.48 | MeanEYE | diocles, will try to see what's up. Thanks again. |
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| 23:45.53 | wannausb | markybob: Should I use ntfs and not fat32 for Windows? |
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| 23:46.01 | wannausb | The USBinstallation |
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| 23:51.50 | markybob | wannausb, for what? are you just mounting a windows partition on linux? or sdcard? |
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| 23:56.02 | PhoenixFyre | does anyone in here use i-mscp? |
| 23:57.29 | wannausb | markybob: Wanna make a bootable USB that will have Windows install |
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| 23:57.59 | markybob | wannausb, i don't know how to do windows installs. never use it. sorry. |
| 23:58.00 | wannausb | markybob: So therefore I formated the USB as ntfs (which would be accetapbe with Windows |
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| 23:58.09 | wannausb | ok, thanks anyway |
| 23:58.16 | wannausb | Truly dude, thank you! |
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| 23:58.27 | markybob | wannausb, anytime |
