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| 00:26.53 | moonpunter-debxf | hi all |
| 00:27.19 | aerth | hey u got a long name |
| 00:27.26 | moonpunter-debxf | so is there a quick and dirty way to update xfce4.10 in jessie to 4.12 without tearing stuff up |
| 00:27.33 | markybob | moonpunter-debxf, no |
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| 00:28.15 | moonpunter-debxf | okay, so what's the long and clean way |
| 00:28.35 | markybob | moonpunter-debxf, there is none. no backports. nothing easy/clean. |
| 00:28.45 | cra1g321 | use something that isn't debian if you want xfce 4.12 ;) |
| 00:28.54 | moonpunter-debxf | debian sid isn't debian? |
| 00:29.02 | moonpunter-debxf | i won't be attacked by a bunch of gnome troll hybrids |
| 00:29.11 | moonpunter-debxf | i'm growing up, leaving ubuntu |
| 00:29.13 | moonpunter-debxf | don't make fun of me |
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| 00:29.26 | markybob | moonpunter-debxf, sure it is. it's also not supported in here. that's #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:29.31 | cra1g321 | i think you should read up on the different debian releases |
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| 00:31.12 | moonpunter-debxf | this is a pretty lame tactic for gnome herding. i'll just do the recipe like a good little kid an go. |
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| 00:32.00 | markybob | gnome herding? i hate gnome |
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| 00:44.51 | warbaque | how can I fix my local nameserver? I just installed qemu/kvm and followed these steps https://wiki.debian.org/KVM#Setting_up_bridge_networking and now my host keeps setting its ip to 192.168.1.2 regardless what I do |
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| 00:45.09 | cra1g321 | !crosspost |
| 00:45.09 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 00:45.56 | pencilandpaper | Maybe to compile it moonlight . |
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| 01:42.20 | CyberWitch | hi |
| 01:42.32 | CyberWitch | all okay? |
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| 01:43.27 | sir_galahad_ad | o/ |
| 01:43.46 | xvkbd | 2 distros based on debian ahve broken xvkbd - it does not keep switched layout reverting back to the default after 1 keystroke...HOw to make it work??? |
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| 01:44.23 | hiyo | When I upgraded to Jessie my iptable rules are no longer being saved by iptables-persistent, I tried running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure iptables-persistent" to no avail |
| 01:45.10 | xvkbd | What's wrong with xvkbd in the debian packages???????? How to make it work? |
| 01:45.18 | xvkbd | it workd in fedora |
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| 01:46.12 | xvkbd | no clue |
| 01:46.13 | xvkbd | ? |
| 01:46.39 | xvkbd | I want my win7 back |
| 01:46.54 | xvkbd | at least it does not fail at basics |
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| 01:47.51 | nmuntz | I have two interfaces that belong to the same network (eth1 has IP 172.16.15.134 and eth3 has IP 172.16.15.132). I have created a routing table in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables. Then I added the default gw with ip route add default via 172.16.15.142 dev eth1 table sigtran. From eth1 I can ping the gateway fine, but from eth3 I can't ping it. Not sure what am I missing to tell eth3 to use the same gateway as eth1. any ideas? |
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| 01:53.10 | xvkbd | allright insects keep nose to the grinding wheel |
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| 01:55.17 | sir_galahad_ad | nmuntz: i'm not sure what you're after but there was a kernal option to 'bond' two interfaces into one |
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| 02:20.58 | sharkman | whats an encrypted chat program i can use with a friend, any recommendations? |
| 02:21.12 | appletrees | telegram |
| 02:21.13 | appletrees | signal |
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| 02:21.27 | graveworm | depends what irc client you are using |
| 02:21.33 | markybob | sharkman, definitely signal |
| 02:21.47 | sharkman | why signal over telegram? ive used telegram before it seemed okay |
| 02:21.57 | sharkman | but i have no expertise... |
| 02:22.51 | appletrees | nothing is ever really secure |
| 02:23.09 | appletrees | snowden used pgp |
| 02:23.13 | appletrees | and then pgp started being dumb |
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| 02:23.18 | appletrees | everything eventually stops being secure |
| 02:23.22 | appletrees | cuz if it's a computer |
| 02:23.24 | appletrees | it can be cracked |
| 02:23.27 | markybob | snowden uses signal |
| 02:23.28 | sharkman | thats oky im not dealing with national security here |
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| 02:23.32 | sharkman | just want something better than gchat |
| 02:23.42 | appletrees | i personally use telegram |
| 02:23.45 | appletrees | and ive used signal |
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| 02:23.47 | appletrees | either are fine |
| 02:23.56 | markybob | http://www.wired.com/2015/11/signals-snowden-approved-phone-crypto-app-comes-to-android/ |
| 02:24.00 | markybob | but this is offtopic |
| 02:24.09 | sharkman | https://desktop.telegram.org/ ? |
| 02:24.12 | sharkman | oh sorry |
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| 02:24.22 | sharkman | didnt mean to derail chat... |
| 02:24.28 | appletrees | there are both desktop and web clients for telegram |
| 02:24.40 | graveworm | sharkman: https://otr.cypherpunks.ca |
| 02:24.42 | appletrees | as well as the app |
| 02:25.16 | appletrees | also make sure whatever you use has end-to-end encryption |
| 02:27.22 | aerth | ^ that |
| 02:27.35 | sharkman | telegram seems totally unsecure. they store all the messages on their server and have the key. and the crypto was done by mathematicians and not cryptographers |
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| 02:27.41 | aerth | OTR all the way |
| 02:27.54 | appletrees | #neverrollurowncrypto |
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| 03:00.19 | silverstick | hey friends, anyone familiar with setting up a high availability solution across web hosts? With Linode going down so much, I need to be able to switch between hosts for our websites |
| 03:00.32 | silverstick | Most of the articles I have found seem outdated |
| 03:01.01 | markybob | silverstick, seriously? i use linode...have had no downtime during the attacks. how bad have you had it? |
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| 03:01.19 | quantic | markybob: I think it's heavily dependent on datacenter. |
| 03:01.24 | son-goku | hello |
| 03:01.25 | silverstick | markybob: pretty bad. We have all our stuff in Atlanta |
| 03:01.42 | son-goku | can anyone suggest a good application for burning ISOs to usb? |
| 03:01.52 | aerth | xfburn |
| 03:01.53 | markybob | silverstick, i see. i'm in Singapore. |
| 03:01.54 | quantic | son-goku: dd |
| 03:02.08 | aerth | hides |
| 03:02.35 | silverstick | yea, it has been a mess. I really love linode and the simplicity of their stuff but I have to have a better backup. |
| 03:03.12 | quantic | silverstick: I think the best you might do in those circumstances is use Linode's load balancer and duplicate your stuff to a different datacenter. |
| 03:04.19 | silverstick | quantic: could I do that but with another host? So a non Linode load balancer and balance between say linode and digital ocean? |
| 03:04.46 | quantic | silverstick: If you can find a service that does that, possibly. I think the Linode load balancer deals with virtual IPs. |
| 03:04.53 | quantic | BUT I don't use one myself, so I haven't a clue. |
| 03:05.17 | imrekt | son-goku, linux or windows? |
| 03:05.25 | son-goku | debian 8 |
| 03:05.36 | silverstick | quantic: since the attacks against linode was on their infrastructure, havign a load balancer iwth them would leave me in the same conversation with angry people. |
| 03:05.46 | silverstick | angry people make me angry |
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| 03:06.00 | markybob | son-goku, yeah. cp |
| 03:06.09 | imrekt | I thought I was in #freenode. |
| 03:06.11 | imrekt | lol |
| 03:06.29 | markybob | son-goku, that's what the install guide suggests. cp image.iso /dev/sdX |
| 03:06.29 | son-goku | cp? |
| 03:06.37 | markybob | son-goku, yep. read the install guide |
| 03:06.40 | imrekt | yeah, your best bet is dd/cp though |
| 03:06.53 | markybob | !tell son-goku about ig |
| 03:06.54 | son-goku | alright i will try that |
| 03:07.56 | markybob | silverstick, so maybe you need http://www.cloudflare.com/ |
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| 03:09.29 | silverstick | markybob: possibly, I wonder if Amazon has a standalone balancer. |
| 03:09.48 | quantic | markybob: ooh, good one. Forgota bout CLoudflare. |
| 03:10.11 | markybob | silverstick, they do. |
| 03:10.21 | markybob | silverstick, https://aws.amazon.com/elasticloadbalancing/ |
| 03:10.33 | silverstick | such funny names |
| 03:10.40 | silverstick | tahnks |
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| 03:15.37 | silverstick | markybob: pretty close to what I want to do. http://serverfault.com/questions/609812/using-cloudflare-as-the-only-load-balancer |
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| 03:16.13 | markybob | silverstick, yeah i've used them myself. |
| 03:17.25 | markybob | silverstick, if you're sticking with linode seriously look into singapore, though. i saw not a second of downtime :P |
| 03:18.04 | silverstick | I will definitely stick with linode but singapore is a bit far. Latency and all that |
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| 03:22.16 | son-goku | alright used cp for the iso image. Now let's see if it boots correctly :P |
| 03:22.18 | son-goku | thanks all |
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| 03:22.41 | markybob | hope he finished with sync :P |
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| 03:43.27 | lszyba1 | Hello, anybody might know how can I install debian stable or testin on nvme drives...samsung 512GB..they are not being detected... |
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| 03:48.26 | markybob | lszyba1, it seems like it's fixed in testing installer. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785149 |
| 03:48.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785149 in grub-installer (open, d-i, patch): «grub-installer: NVMe boot drives not supported»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-12; last modified: 2016-01-28. |
| 03:49.16 | markybob | lszyba1, have you tried http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_alpha5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 03:49.27 | iflema | damn they look sweet... with the correct kernel modules enable in the kernel i guess. Do you have an existing system? reconfigure its kernel and then move /? |
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| 03:52.29 | iflema | actuyally the stock kernel in jessie may not be new enough |
| 03:53.00 | iflema | yes it is... ugh |
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| 03:56.47 | epp | virtualbox |
| 03:57.11 | markybob | !tell epp about virtualbox |
| 03:58.10 | epp | ha thanks markybob |
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| 04:03.55 | lszyba1 | markybob: that's the iso I have loaded..I went into shell.. and I don't see the nvme samsung in lspci at all..I wonder if there are some driver needed? |
| 04:04.04 | lszyba1 | or firmware |
| 04:04.53 | markybob | lszyba1, there is stretch installer with firmware included, unofficially. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_alpha5/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 04:08.02 | lszyba1 | 13min to finish download |
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| 04:10.46 | markybob | lszyba1, i'm going to bed but i hope it works out for you. good luck |
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| 05:10.49 | lszyba1 | what is that command line to install gnome ...as if it was isntalled from a cd... it was something along system-install-base? or |
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| 05:16.09 | Elronnd | lszyba1: I believe it's installed by default |
| 05:16.37 | Elronnd | lszyba1: if for some reason it isn't, "apt-get install gnome gnome-core" should do the trick |
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| 05:21.31 | lszyba1 | its not apt-get ...its something system you choose kde or gnomeshell ... |
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| 05:25.10 | han-solo | how do you mount a drive? |
| 05:25.16 | han-solo | my drive name is Y |
| 05:25.24 | han-solo | mount --target /Y? |
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| 05:27.58 | awal1 | I want to try 'ldm' but I dont found tutorials/configuration docs in the web |
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| 05:28.05 | awal1 | any hint? |
| 05:28.15 | wsky | han-solo: first find out what's the /dev filename of the device |
| 05:28.40 | wsky | han-solo: then fdisk -l the device to find out what filesystem it uses |
| 05:28.50 | han-solo | on /etc/fstab? |
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| 05:29.05 | wsky | maybe, depends is it singned into fstab |
| 05:29.18 | wsky | if it's a thumbdrive for instance it wont be in fstab |
| 05:29.49 | wsky | then use mount -t fstype /dev/filename /mnt/moiuntpoint |
| 05:30.02 | wsky | also most of modern desktop environments can do that from the gui level |
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| 05:30.26 | han-solo | unable to locate fdisk |
| 05:30.34 | han-solo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.40 | wsky | you need to run it using the root account |
| 05:31.00 | wsky | it's a programm installed by default on most linux distributions, no need to install it |
| 05:31.54 | han-solo | how do i find out the filename in /dev? |
| 05:32.05 | han-solo | there are a lot of things in /dev |
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| 05:32.38 | wsky | han-solo: it's ussually /dev/sda, sdb, sdc and so onj |
| 05:32.53 | han-solo | okay |
| 05:32.58 | han-solo | sda7 i guess |
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| 05:33.51 | han-solo | what will be the mountpoint? |
| 05:34.03 | wsky | whatever empty directory you make |
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| 05:34.13 | wsky | i usually mount at /mnt/something |
| 05:34.38 | han-solo | can't find /mnt/Y in /etc/fstab |
| 05:34.59 | wsky | you need to run 'mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/mountpoint\ |
| 05:35.01 | rootd00d | include the device and mount point in the command line. |
| 05:35.02 | wsky | you need to run 'mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/mountpoint' |
| 05:35.09 | rootd00d | steps back. |
| 05:36.50 | han-solo | mount: mount point /mnt/mountpoint does not exist |
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| 05:39.04 | wsky | han-solo: then why wont you create it?? |
| 05:39.15 | wsky | with mkdir |
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| 05:39.39 | han-solo | okay |
| 05:40.33 | han-solo | where shoudl i create it? |
| 05:41.00 | wsky | wherever you like |
| 05:41.14 | wsky | also what the filesystem you want to mount contains? |
| 05:41.27 | han-solo | hey thanks |
| 05:41.28 | dumbo_000 | hello, i'm partitioning my HD, got some questions about it. |
| 05:41.29 | han-solo | it worked |
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| 05:41.40 | dumbo_000 | i.e. is it a wise idea to create a first small partition for bootloader, before all other partitions? (in case of multiboot with other OS) |
| 05:41.44 | jeddi | awal1: what's ldm? |
| 05:41.45 | han-solo | Thanks for you help |
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| 05:42.06 | jeddi | dumbo_000: do you mean /boot ? |
| 05:42.09 | han-solo | and now to unmount it? |
| 05:42.14 | dumbo_000 | is it a good idea to create an extended partition for root,main folder and swap? or i should leave swap in another partition? (I got 4GB ram is it a good idea to make a 8GB swap partition?) can I make all the extended partition with ext4 filesystem,even the swap? or it is better to make an ext4 filesystem for all of the sub-partition of the extended one? |
| 05:42.17 | wsky | han-solo: that's really basic stuff about using linux you should read about before |
| 05:43.03 | jeddi | dumbo_000: i have /boot as a small partition on almost all my machines, and / as a second but also primary partition. everything else is then lvm2. |
| 05:43.03 | han-solo | okay |
| 05:43.08 | han-solo | i'm looking at manpage |
| 05:43.13 | han-solo | anyway, thanks |
| 05:43.27 | jeddi | dumbo_000: depending on your needs, you may find using swapfiles is more manageable than swap partitions. |
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| 05:43.40 | dumbo_000 | jeddi i would like to eventually have a boot selector |
| 05:43.44 | jeddi | dumbo_000: there is rarely a measurable performance hit to doing this. |
| 05:44.26 | dumbo_000 | jeddi swapfiles instead of swap partition? tell me more please. |
| 05:44.34 | jeddi | dumbo_000: multiple-boot options aren't constrained by this - however, some OS's (very few these days, happily) have issues about booting from extended / logical / certain places on disk. actually, I think none of them have an issue with that anymore. |
| 05:45.33 | jeddi | dumbo_000: you can create swap files. ( man mkswap ). you can then disable them if you don't need them and recover the space. if you need more swap, you can create more swap files. if you want, you can create them on a separate disk. |
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| 05:46.30 | dumbo_000 | jeddi i'm an OS's explorer, expecially linux distros explorer, but my mind is open to every OS. i don't want to be limited to only one OS if i still don't know if it really fit good with me. |
| 05:46.34 | jeddi | dumbo_000: I do this partly because I hate having a partition set aside for swap, despite most of my machines being virtualised. but mostly because I like to have everything outside of /boot running on an encrypted volume (with LVM2 on the top of that). this means my swap files are automatically encrypted. (swap partition encryption is possible, but slightly more convoluted) |
| 05:47.15 | dumbo_000 | if i have differents OS i need at least a boot selector. |
| 05:47.15 | jeddi | dumbo_000: virtualisation may be easier than multi-boot if you're looking at playing with lots of OS's. a lot of OS's also offer live-cd/dvd releases too. |
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| 05:47.30 | yesdebis | hi guys |
| 05:47.31 | jeddi | dumbo_000: grub will be your boot selector. |
| 05:47.55 | yesdebis | does sid and testing get security updates? |
| 05:48.29 | dumbo_000 | (swap files, i know mkswap..i make it in the linux swap partition) |
| 05:48.29 | jeddi | yesdebis: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Does_sid_have_security_updates.3F |
| 05:48.37 | dumbo_000 | is that wrong? |
| 05:48.39 | jeddi | dumbo_000: swap files are way cool. : ) |
| 05:48.49 | dumbo_000 | (grub, what about syslinux?) |
| 05:48.59 | awal1 | jeddi: ldm /ltsp. aptitude show ldm :) |
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| 05:49.13 | dumbo_000 | i like grub but i would like to try this too. |
| 05:49.18 | jeddi | dumbo_000: same utility - it prepares the file or partition. if you mkswap on a file you need to create that file first using dd (something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile.0 bs=1024M count=1024 ) |
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| 05:49.20 | jeddi | for *example* |
| 05:49.25 | yesdebis | thank you jeddi |
| 05:49.31 | badbugz | Hi. Is there a way to tell apt not to ever install a version of a package from a particular repo? |
| 05:49.40 | kc4zvw | Having gnome terminal dying with error 8 and have try setting locale/reboot several times |
| 05:49.40 | yesdebis | so testing yes or no? |
| 05:49.45 | badbugz | So, a bit of context - apt-get install foobar (foobar is provided in repo x and repo y). However, I'd like it to install only from repo x and avoid repo y completely. |
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| 05:50.23 | jeddi | dumbo_000: isn't syslinux more useful for removable bootable media? i've not used it. but it's a bootloader, right? is your interest in multiple operating systems, or multiple bootloaders? |
| 05:50.31 | yesdebis | jeddi I don't understand if yes or not fortesting... |
| 05:50.33 | jeddi | I use my bootloader once every few weeks. |
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| 05:50.44 | dumbo_000 | what file system should i use for boot partition to make it possible setting it up without issues? |
| 05:50.56 | awal1 | My confusion is that I dont know if I can use 'ldm' as a display manager just like xdm, lightdm..., or it's only supposed to work with ltsp-serverstandalone, and so |
| 05:51.14 | iateadonut | i've tried linphone and ekiga, and both are receiving sip calls from 1@my.ip - has anyone experienced this and did you figure out why it was happening? |
| 05:51.19 | awal1 | ltsp-server-standalone ^ |
| 05:51.43 | badbugz | dumbo_000: ext2 I think should be your boot partition :) |
| 05:52.02 | jeddi | yesdebis: sid gets new packages very quickly - so effectively that's your security patching. testing has this to say for itself: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 05:52.38 | badbugz | So, how do I say to apt not to install packages from a particular repo; ever? |
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| 05:53.31 | dumbo_000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.31 | yesdebis | jeddi and why people does not recommend testing, and someone says that stable is for servers and testing for normal pc? |
| 05:53.33 | jeddi | dumbo_000: i feel that you may be conflating bootloader with /boot partition |
| 05:54.20 | dumbo_000 | jeddi wait. |
| 05:54.21 | epp | badbugz, remove that repo in /etc/apt/sources.list file or /etc/apt/sources.list.d folder |
| 05:54.24 | jeddi | awal1: sounds like an easy thing to test :) |
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| 05:55.04 | dumbo_000 | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/partitions.html |
| 05:55.11 | dumbo_000 | 5.9.4 section |
| 05:55.18 | badbugz | epp: Well, sure but I use *a* package from the repo. |
| 05:55.44 | awal1 | jeddi: I installed 'ldm' thinking that's it can be used as a display manager like xdm, etc but seems that it's made for work if ltsp stuffs are installed. I'm not sure |
| 05:55.47 | dumbo_000 | it confused and puzzled me. |
| 05:55.50 | jeddi | dumbo_000: I tend to create multiple swap files of either 512MB or 1024MB at a atime. I call them /swapfile.0, /swapfile.1, and so on. In order to create a swapfile you need to use dd to generate the empty file - that's the command above. You can put it on whatever file system you prefer - ideally a local file system with a fast bus. |
| 05:55.50 | awal1 | remove dit yet |
| 05:55.55 | badbugz | epp: (which isn't available in other repo) |
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| 05:56.32 | jeddi | yesdebis: depends what your intent is. are you new to debian? are you arriving from another distro, or no experience in gnu/linux distributions? in general i'd say if you're starting out to start with debian stable. |
| 05:56.36 | awal1 | but if you get it to work as a display manager without ltsp stuufs, jeddi, let me know and I reinstall it again :) |
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| 05:57.03 | jeddi | dumbo_000: so, a bootloader and /boot file system are not the same thing. |
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| 05:57.20 | jeddi | awal1: i'm not going to play with it. i'm very happy with kde. |
| 05:57.33 | yesdebis | jeddi I'm not completely new. I tried ubuntu, mint, manjaro fedora opensuse etc, but my heart tell me to stay with debian |
| 05:57.47 | jeddi | awal1: i meant it sounded like a very easy thing for you to test - just a couple of apt-get's and then a logout/login. |
| 05:58.45 | jeddi | yesdebis: okay - then i'd suggest start with debian stable (aka jessie - or 8.2 I think we're up to now). it's easy enough to migrate up to Testing (stretch) from there if you want to, later. |
| 05:58.46 | yesdebis | jeddi better to deal with stable + backports or testing? |
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| 05:59.11 | awal1 | jeddi: installed it but nothing happens when rebooting. sound like it needs furthers configs + ltsp stuffs ;) |
| 05:59.15 | jeddi | yesdebis: in general, yes, stable is a good place to be. if stable + backports end up not being sufficient and satisfactory, the dist-upgrade path is relatively painless. |
| 05:59.25 | epp | badbugz, echo "packageName hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 06:00.01 | awal1 | badbugz: probably you will have to use -t every time you install *foo* ? |
| 06:00.10 | dumbo_000 | Jeddi how many swapfiles should be good for 4GB of ram? |
| 06:00.19 | jeddi | yesdebis: especially as jessie ships with systemd - and the migration to systemd can be a bit surprising. i think jessie -> stretch (testing) is fairly calm these days. |
| 06:00.33 | dumbo_000 | i have to create in /usr partition or in /root partition? |
| 06:00.44 | jeddi | dumbo_000: depends on what you're doing with the box - lots of video editing, multiple users, a few databases ... ? |
| 06:01.03 | jeddi | dumbo_000: create in whatever partition is available at the time that swap is started :) |
| 06:01.44 | jeddi | and that you have space, and is fast, and won't destroy your performance on other partitions, and won't destroy your drive if you've got a dodgy SSD ... and various other considerations -- but these apply equally to setting up a swap partition, of course. |
| 06:01.44 | dumbo_000 | jeddi please read all the site i sent to you...it tells that is better to create a separate swap partition.. |
| 06:02.27 | awal1 | badbugz, or comment your repo line |
| 06:02.36 | jeddi | dumbo_000: that page doesn't seem to mention swap files on it anywhere. |
| 06:02.39 | dumbo_000 | it's written in 5.9.2 |
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| 06:03.29 | dumbo_000 | i dunno what to believe and what to do to get the most benefits from swap. |
| 06:04.21 | jeddi | dumbo_000: the word 'file' doesn't appear anywhere in section 5.9.2. it appears in 5.9.4 , but in the context of 'file systems'. |
| 06:04.34 | jeddi | dumbo_000: this page you've found .. I do not think it is a useful page for you to achieve enlightenment. |
| 06:04.50 | jeddi | dumbo_000: try this search: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=linux+swap+file+or+swap+partition%3F |
| 06:05.20 | badbugz | epp: I've checkout how `dpkg --set-selections` work and also `-t`. awal1 Why would commenting the repo line help in this regard? |
| 06:05.32 | badbugz | s/I've/I've to/ |
| 06:06.15 | dumbo_000 | jeddi you know that google never send the same search results to different people. |
| 06:06.15 | awal1 | badbugz, "So, how do I say to apt not to install packages from a particular repo; ever?" |
| 06:06.19 | jeddi | dumbo_000: if it's a laptop then you can't hibernate to a swap file,apparently, but hibernating to encrypted swap presents issues IIRC. my laptop sleeps and suspends just fine with swapfiles on an encypted volume. if it's a desktop computer, the question is moot. |
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| 06:06.47 | jeddi | dumbo_000: i know this. however the huge number of hits there all saying much the same thing (there's no performance difference, etc) will say the same on your browser as on mine :) |
| 06:07.07 | dumbo_000 | better you send me a good link than a google search link |
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| 06:07.45 | awal1 | badbugz, so comment the repo you won't, or use -t (target_release) for tell apt to install from X repo |
| 06:07.59 | awal1 | that's what I understand from your question |
| 06:08.14 | jeddi | dumbo_000: because google confuses you, try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq |
| 06:09.04 | jeddi | dumbo_000: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap has the unsubstantiated claim that : "Note: There is no performance advantage to either a contiguous swap file or a partition, both are treated the same way." This matches my experience, but I haven't formally done any performance testing. |
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| 06:09.10 | dumbo_000 | jeddi: btw...for multi-boot purposes better i have a swap partition to be used by every OS's... |
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| 06:09.33 | jeddi | dumbo_000: sharing swap space is a bit of a challenge. |
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| 06:09.43 | Beautiful | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â° ) |
| 06:09.46 | dumbo_000 | or i'll waste a lot of disk space if i create swapfiles in every partition |
| 06:10.09 | jeddi | I think the waste comes from installing lots of operating systems outside of a virtualised environment, to be candid. |
| 06:10.09 | epp | badbugz, I misunderstood what you wanted to do. You can blacklist a package with that command. |
| 06:10.13 | dumbo_000 | SWAP is temporary memory like RAM. |
| 06:10.25 | jeddi | dumbo_000: right. |
| 06:10.45 | jeddi | dumbo_000: you may wish to read up on this further. you'll almost definitely have to re-initialise the swap partition within each of your OS's at boot time. |
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| 06:11.08 | dumbo_000 | so why should it be difficult? |
| 06:11.44 | dumbo_000 | if i create a linux swap partition every linux Distro will use this...am i right? |
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| 06:12.33 | epp | dumbo_000, sure |
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| 06:12.43 | jeddi | dumbo_000: are you familiar with the use of blkid and drive id / uuid's? |
| 06:13.10 | jeddi | dumbo_000: anyway, knock yourself out. it seems like a lot of effort to achieve a goal i don't understand, but it's your call. |
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| 06:13.47 | dumbo_000 | i could create a swap partition set swap on and if i do Mkswap on the partition it will be used entirely as swap. |
| 06:13.56 | dumbo_000 | mkswap without comments |
| 06:14.18 | jeddi | yeah, sure, why not. |
| 06:14.43 | dumbo_000 | jeddi: i am not familiar with blkid and drie id /uiid's |
| 06:14.51 | dumbo_000 | *drive |
| 06:14.58 | jeddi | dumbo_000: you may be about to learn :) |
| 06:15.22 | jeddi | depends how different os's / distros label the swap partition you're about to build. anyway, you'll have lots of fun, I'm sure. :) |
| 06:15.37 | dumbo_000 | honestly i'm kinda newbie.. not on debian right now..i'm installing archlinux first...i like that challenge... |
| 06:15.48 | dumbo_000 | but i'm sure i'll try debian soon. |
| 06:16.19 | kc4zvw | Having gnome terminal dying with error 8 and have try setting locale/reboot several times |
| 06:16.19 | dumbo_000 | it's on my todo list :P |
| 06:16.24 | mutante | dumbo_000: LPT, tell them you use debian when on debian |
| 06:16.39 | dumbo_000 | mutante it's ok i use linux :) |
| 06:16.47 | dumbo_000 | oops...sorry. |
| 06:16.54 | dumbo_000 | GNU/linux :) |
| 06:17.05 | mutante | dumbo_000: Debian kFreeBSD? |
| 06:17.52 | dumbo_000 | partitioning btw is the same thing on all machines...no problem in talking about it here |
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| 06:18.19 | yesdebis | jeddi so, in your opinion, better stable+backports or testing? |
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| 06:19.21 | Gaurishankar | hello everyone |
| 06:19.45 | mutante | dumbo_000: yea, i was just ... because you said you like challenges https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD :) |
| 06:19.51 | Gaurishankar | I am having some issue with debian jessie 8.2 to 8.3 upgrade |
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| 06:20.09 | Gaurishankar | my system still shows 8.2 though I upgraded to 8.3 |
| 06:20.09 | badbugz | epp: awal1 I think I found a better way, pin the repo to the lowest priority :) |
| 06:20.34 | badbugz | (repo y in my case) |
| 06:20.44 | Gaurishankar | what could be the problem |
| 06:20.51 | jelly | Gaurishankar: where does it show this? |
| 06:21.00 | Gaurishankar | lsb_release -a |
| 06:21.18 | Gaurishankar | even in base files also it is 8. |
| 06:21.20 | msn | i have passed ignore_local_sudoers from ldap but apparently debian sudo doesn't honor that |
| 06:21.26 | Gaurishankar | i mean 8.2 |
| 06:21.37 | jelly | Gaurishankar: which version of base-files package do you have installed? |
| 06:21.40 | msn | though on redhat when i do that /etc/sudoers is ignored |
| 06:21.47 | Gaurishankar | it is 8.2 |
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| 06:21.59 | jelly | Gaurishankar: then you did not upgrade to 8.3 |
| 06:22.21 | dumbo_000 | mutante: is it kde based? |
| 06:22.25 | jelly | Gaurishankar: which exact version of base-files package do you have installed? |
| 06:22.32 | Gaurishankar | 8.2 |
| 06:22.54 | jelly | that's not what a version of base-files looks like, Gaurishankar. |
| 06:23.15 | Gaurishankar | how should I check the same |
| 06:23.16 | jelly | Gaurishankar: how are you looking up version of that package? |
| 06:23.30 | Gaurishankar | dpkg |
| 06:23.36 | jeddi | yesdebis: very big question - but yes, 1. stable. if needed, then 2. stable + backports. if needed, then move to 3. testing. |
| 06:23.38 | mutante | dumbo_000: xfce, gnome, kde, lxde ... https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_Desktop |
| 06:23.38 | jelly | Gaurishankar: which exact command? |
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| 06:23.48 | mutante | dumbo_000: basically what you want |
| 06:24.13 | dumbo_000 | mutante it seems to be a nice thing to try out a debian linux on a freeBSD kernel |
| 06:24.27 | mutante | dumbo_000: that was my thought too, and i have _not_ done it yet, heh :) |
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| 06:24.35 | dumbo_000 | thanks for the tip i'll take a look when i have time to do that |
| 06:24.41 | Gaurishankar | dpkg -l basefiles |
| 06:24.42 | dpkg | ii basefiles 3.8-2.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:24.45 | mutante | dumbo_000: welcome, tell me |
| 06:24.54 | Gaurishankar | dpkg -l base-files |
| 06:24.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching base-files |
| 06:25.02 | jeddi | you guys really need to embrace the joy of kvm, or virtualbox, or whatever. |
| 06:25.09 | jelly | Gaurishankar: ok, and what does the last line say? |
| 06:25.29 | Gaurishankar | 8+deb8u2 |
| 06:25.46 | jelly | that looks right |
| 06:27.02 | Gaurishankar | is there ne need to upgrade to 8.3 |
| 06:28.14 | jelly | Gaurishankar: run an "apt-get update", then pastebin the outputs of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy base-files" to paste.debian.net in a single paste |
| 06:28.58 | Gaurishankar | ok |
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| 06:30.20 | msn | jeddi: kvm is best :) |
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| 06:30.43 | msn | jeddi: ihave a user running virtual box and the config for NAT in that is complicated |
| 06:30.56 | jeddi | msn: i use esxi at home, but only because my work requires it ... but, yeah, kvm's lovely. |
| 06:31.03 | msn | KVm is piece of cake for NAT compared to that |
| 06:31.22 | msn | but KVM has its own drawback when it comes to networking |
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| 06:31.30 | jeddi | msn: i think it's come a long way (vbox) but as a headless or server-style solution, I found it unweildy when I last used it (admittedly a few years ago) |
| 06:31.33 | msn | in bridge mode host/guest can't see aech other |
| 06:31.59 | msn | yeah vbox isnt the best solution |
| 06:32.16 | jeddi | oh - you set up your host-only networks, though, right? still a bit of a mess. even vmware's products are a bit messy here - mostly because you can't rename interfaces. |
| 06:32.51 | jeddi | but for cranking up lots of debian or other gnu/linux installs to play with them, kvm or vbox would both be Just Fine, I think. |
| 06:33.02 | msn | jeddi: nah if you put your guest on bridge mode then your guest and host can't talk to each other over network so I just a nat interface too |
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| 06:33.40 | jeddi | msn: right, okay. i haven't gone into it much - i usually use bridged mode unless i'm building a series of virtual networks. |
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| 06:34.41 | Gaurishankar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:34.58 | msn | well i had the issue since one my hosts acting as VM base was also DNS server and also was a debian mirror |
| 06:35.04 | msn | that was problematic |
| 06:35.18 | Gaurishankar | jelly paste.debian.net/378270 |
| 06:35.24 | jeddi | hmm .. sounds like you need a raspberry pi running debian jessie :) |
| 06:36.01 | msn | jeddi: nah, i had another host available I migrated the mirror there |
| 06:36.09 | msn | and created anothe slave DNS |
| 06:36.31 | jelly | Gaurishankar: you're using a mirror that's out of date |
| 06:36.31 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:36.40 | jeddi | msn: full debian distro mirror? nice. i used to keep one of those. started again, in an attempt to replicate the raspbian distro --- flippin' painful though (So Many Files!) |
| 06:37.17 | Gaurishankar | what I should do to correct the issue |
| 06:37.31 | jelly | Gaurishankar: switch to a working mirror instead. |
| 06:37.38 | jelly | dpkg, tell Gaurishankar about jessie sources.list |
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| 06:37.56 | Gaurishankar | how to go about |
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| 06:38.54 | jelly | Gaurishankar: you should have gotten a private message from dpkg (the bot) |
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| 06:39.52 | Gaurishankar | right jelly pls let me check |
| 06:40.17 | dumbo_000 | jeddi: what about the boot partition,instead? |
| 06:40.36 | lszyba1 | markybob: the issue was the bios setting. Disabling the "raid" and changing to ahci or no sata...allows the drive to be seen by legacy boot...from there debian stable installer can install nvme drive samsung 500gb |
| 06:41.10 | dumbo_000 | is it a wise idea to create a first small partition for bootloader, before all other partitions? (in case of multiboot with other OS) |
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| 06:41.53 | jeddi | dumbo_000: have you gone off and read about the difference between a bootloader and the /boot directory (or partition) ? |
| 06:41.58 | dumbo_000 | what about its size...100m will be enough? |
| 06:42.13 | jeddi | dumbo_000: i have to ask - how big is the hard disk in this machine? |
| 06:42.40 | jeddi | I think you said you had 4GB of RAM. |
| 06:42.59 | jeddi | dumbo_000: and are you installing debian, or arch? |
| 06:43.12 | dumbo_000 | jeddi /boot directory in linux? |
| 06:43.40 | dumbo_000 | jeddi: but...i need it for multi-boot so not only linux |
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| 06:43.52 | dumbo_000 | linux,windows,freeBSD and others. |
| 06:44.26 | jeddi | dumbo_000: Microsoft Windows will not use your ext4fs /boot partition. |
| 06:44.58 | dumbo_000 | i know that..i need something to make it work all together |
| 06:45.16 | dumbo_000 | note that multi-boot is different from dual-boot |
| 06:46.00 | jeddi | dumbo_000: i have to ask - how big is the hard disk in this machine? |
| 06:46.07 | dumbo_000 | i would like to install different os's..different linux distros too |
| 06:46.17 | dumbo_000 | 500 GB |
| 06:46.44 | dumbo_000 | but it's a first experiment... |
| 06:47.07 | dumbo_000 | i'll try this on a bigger hd later... (2TB min) |
| 06:47.55 | jeddi | dumbo_000: really - just try it in a virtualised environment. |
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| 06:48.07 | jeddi | lots less headaches if you're just faffing around with different OS's for the lulz. |
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| 06:48.23 | dumbo_000 | i only want to make something like this work good...something like i select the OS to use and there we go. |
| 06:49.15 | dumbo_000 | jeddi i do this for nobody.. just for me. |
| 06:50.18 | dumbo_000 | i dunno what you mean with what you talking about. |
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| 06:50.57 | msn | dumbo_000: if you are doing for fun just install windows then freebsd then linux in end |
| 06:51.41 | keh | Hi there. On my arm board I got an apt-get error: E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke '/usr/bin/apt-file update' <- Is it because of arm or is it corrupted? (debian jessie) |
| 06:51.42 | jeddi | dumbo_000: here's my confusion -- I do not understand what problem you are trying to solve. It sounds like you're just fiddling around with OS's, for reasons unknown. If that's the case, then install one, run up a hypervisor, and then install the rest as virtuals. Much easier to manage. |
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| 06:52.52 | dumbo_000 | Jeddi, msn : i'd like to have different ways to communicate with the machine at the same time, cause i need it for my studies... |
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| 06:53.15 | msn | dumbo_000: and if you trying to learn stuff and mess around then you should just do stuff break things and fix them lot more learning that way |
| 06:53.19 | jeddi | dumbo_000: another reason to install a decent OS - Debian springs to mind - and faff with the others as VM's. |
| 06:53.30 | dumbo_000 | having different OS working for me is just like having different programming languages... |
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| 06:53.53 | msn | unless you need .NEt there is no programming language you need windows for |
| 06:54.10 | dumbo_000 | i like to go into deep in how things work...i decided to study operative systems. |
| 06:54.15 | jim | dumbo_000, could you say what those ways to communicate are? |
| 06:54.28 | msn | and even with .NET you need windwos if you are going past .NET 3.5 |
| 06:54.32 | msn | before that mono works fine |
| 06:54.45 | dumbo_000 | i only would like to be a good computer scientist. |
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| 06:55.16 | jim | do the SICP assignments? |
| 06:55.50 | themill | (mono supports .NET 4.{0,5,6} too) |
| 06:56.02 | dumbo_000 | for what concerns me i got no work right now..and i'm not really good at nothing..computer is my hobby but i hope to work with it as soon as i can... |
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| 06:56.37 | dumbo_000 | but first...i need to increase my limited knowledge of computers... |
| 06:56.46 | jim | do the SICP assignments? |
| 06:57.01 | jim | are you taking classes now? |
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| 06:57.43 | dumbo_000 | to become a geek, a computer expert...i'm just getting started with my study so please have mercy. |
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| 06:58.22 | wyoung | dumbo_000: rule number 1 to becoming / being a geek. NO MERCY! |
| 06:58.45 | wyoung | dumbo_000: If someone asks you a question yell at them for not looking it up via google or the man files :) |
| 06:59.00 | jim | that;s rule number 42 in fight clubbing |
| 07:00.00 | dumbo_000 | I only want to become a better person than i am, i got really few alternatives and have to make my life go somewhere else than hunger and poorness..so if i can become a programmer one day or just a technician it is good for me... |
| 07:00.02 | jim | dumbo_000, so, are you taking classes now? or doing this on your own? either way, do you have a school load? |
| 07:00.23 | BinBasher | what's the recipe for...- LOOK IT UP VIA THE MAN FILES |
| 07:00.24 | dumbo_000 | i'm talking honestly. |
| 07:00.45 | wyoung | BinBasher: man man |
| 07:01.30 | BinBasher | wyoung: an interface for the online manuals |
| 07:01.30 | kc4zvw | Having gnome terminal dying with error 8 and have try setting locale/reboot several times |
| 07:01.31 | dumbo_000 | jim doing on my own cause i study better and more efficently on my own... |
| 07:01.38 | dumbo_000 | i tried classes but got bored. |
| 07:01.39 | dumbo_000 | lol |
| 07:01.49 | BinBasher | dumbo_000: dude |
| 07:01.59 | jim | dumbo_000, and you have no school load right now? |
| 07:02.03 | BinBasher | sighs |
| 07:02.16 | dumbo_000 | no school hell yeah! |
| 07:02.21 | dumbo_000 | :D |
| 07:02.29 | wyoung | dumbo_000: ummm, sounds like doing it your way means you goof off on IRC :) |
| 07:02.34 | dumbo_000 | I am my school. |
| 07:02.44 | jim | sec |
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| 07:03.04 | dumbo_000 | and life is the better school ever. |
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| 07:04.52 | dumbo_000 | i have computer hobby. i like to wonder how things work just cause i want to make them work good..even if i'm not a computer genius i try to understand how computer works... |
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| 07:04.53 | jim | dumbo_000, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY |
| 07:05.08 | jim | see if that interests you |
| 07:06.02 | dumbo_000 | i just like to learn, i'm not an hacker and i take distances from that... i just need to study to eventually find a job and that's all. |
| 07:06.36 | jim | if it does... here's some reading http://web.mit.edu/alexmv/6.037/sicp.pdf |
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| 07:08.40 | dumbo_000 | i'm a noob right now...i suck at everything...for now i'm just a nerd that woke up one day and realized he is wasting his life being a parasite of society, now i study and never look back..till i can work with something that i like... |
| 07:08.43 | jim | dumbo_000, and, you do run debian, true? |
| 07:09.07 | jim | I dunno about all that |
| 07:09.15 | dumbo_000 | i'm installing arch right now..but debian is in my todo list. |
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| 07:09.43 | dumbo_000 | i'll install it after i became practice with arch. |
| 07:09.56 | jim | if you ever do get to debian... apt-get install guile |
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| 07:10.07 | jim | , v guile |
| 07:10.08 | judd | No package named 'guile' was found in amd64. |
| 07:10.17 | jim | oops, wrong name |
| 07:10.27 | dumbo_000 | what is guile? |
| 07:10.32 | jim | , v guile-scheme |
| 07:10.33 | judd | No package named 'guile-scheme' was found in amd64. |
| 07:10.35 | dumbo_000 | apropos guile? |
| 07:10.40 | dumbo_000 | man guile? |
| 07:10.44 | dumbo_000 | guile help? |
| 07:10.45 | jim | it |
| 07:10.47 | dumbo_000 | lol |
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| 07:11.05 | jim | is a scheme interpreter, and I'm having problems finding it |
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| 07:11.38 | jelly | apt-cache search keyword ... is usually a good first thing to try |
| 07:12.28 | dumbo_000 | can you send me official documentation link please? |
| 07:12.38 | jim | anyway, if you're interested in computer science, one way is sicp, take a look at that youtube link, it's the first of 20 videos |
| 07:12.42 | BinBasher | jim: elaborate |
| 07:12.51 | BinBasher | never heard of it |
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| 07:13.33 | jim | BinBasher, sicp is said by some to be the best intro to CS on the planet |
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| 07:14.20 | jim | BinBasher, the youtube link does a pretty good job of elaborating |
| 07:14.25 | BinBasher | I mean guile |
| 07:14.28 | BinBasher | :p |
| 07:14.32 | jim | it |
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| 07:14.46 | jim | argh, sorry... it is a scheme interpreter |
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| 07:15.34 | jim | and, the youtube link does a pretty good job of elaborating on that too :) |
| 07:15.59 | BinBasher | ah ok |
| 07:16.41 | jim | there's a section of that video that gives a small tutorial on scheme |
| 07:17.19 | jim | it's possibly better if you have a pretty good math background |
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| 07:18.43 | jim | the way it introduces scheme is by showing the development of a short program that does a successive approximation of square roots |
| 07:19.18 | dumbo_000 | JIM : thank you a lot for that...you gave me something to study..i what i like to do :) |
| 07:19.57 | jim | dumbo_000, welcome, I thought maybe it would interest you |
| 07:20.00 | dumbo_000 | jim: really really thank you :) |
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| 07:20.31 | dumbo_000 | jim: it interest me to study that :) |
| 07:20.53 | jim | those two are pretty funny sometimes |
| 07:21.34 | jim | dumbo_000, you will need a scheme interpreter pretty soon |
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| 07:23.19 | dumbo_000 | jim can you tell me more about scheme interpeters and how they works? with your words. |
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| 07:24.04 | dumbo_000 | to help me understand at least why i will need a scheme interpreter soon... |
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| 07:37.58 | jim | anyway two guile packages I found were guile-2.0 and guile-1.8 |
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| 07:49.33 | k_sze[work] | Is it ok to configure dhcpd to not provide any dns or router? |
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| 07:51.38 | k_sze[work] | I have a need to configure dhcpd to just assign IP addresses and set the MTU of the clients of an internal network. The traffic in this internal network is not supposed to be routable to the outside world. |
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| 07:54.12 | jim | k_sze[work], to get them outside, you need a gateway whose address is on the same net |
| 07:54.27 | k_sze[work] | that's the thing, I don't need to get them outside. |
| 07:54.50 | jim | sorry, misread |
| 07:54.56 | k_sze[work] | all of the traffic is supposed to remain in the internal network. (if the clients want to send traffic outside, they have another interface and another subnet) |
| 07:55.25 | jim | so, then you -would n't- have such a gateway |
| 07:56.05 | jelly | k_sze[work]: why wouldn't it be okay? provide as many or as little attributes as needed |
| 07:57.27 | in1t3r | o/ |
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| 08:00.01 | k_sze[work] | There's another thing I'm not sure about: how does dhcpd know which subnet to serve on which interface? I know there's the INTERFACES directive in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server, but then what? |
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| 08:00.39 | k_sze[work] | Does it look at the current (static) IPs configured on network interfaces to workout which subnet goes where? |
| 08:00.43 | jim | k_sze[work], usually that goes in the config file |
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| 08:02.45 | laidback_01_ | hello, say, I'm looking at some directories - ls -al, and I notice something I've not seen before and which makes it hard to google. There are several directories with a '+' sign at the end of them. Can someone tell me what this signifies? |
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| 08:04.13 | laidback_01_ | nevermind, it's just ACLs |
| 08:04.16 | laidback_01_ | no biggie |
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| 08:05.27 | jim | is that also in man ls? |
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| 08:08.42 | Jitzi | hey guys, I have a pretty big problem. The wrong repo was in sources.list on a jessie box and now some packages appear to be ahead of what they need to be - can anyone tell me how I can downgrade the packages to the right version without reinstalling the entire OS? |
| 08:09.04 | Jitzi | eg. "libncurses5-dev : Depends: libtinfo5 (= 5.9+20140913-1+b1) but 6.0+20151024-2 is to be installed" |
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| 08:10.22 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 08:10.46 | Jitzi | If I try to install the older version of these packages with apt-get, it wants to remove "bash libncurses5 (due to bash) e2fsprogs util-linux (due to e2fsprogs)" which will obviously break everything |
| 08:10.47 | lancelot_of | I am trying to play around with wmfs2, but no way to find it in Debian repo. Any suggestion? |
| 08:11.09 | laidback_01_ | jim, for debian, no. for omnios, yes. It's a zfs/solaris thing. |
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| 08:11.47 | jim | dumbo_000, what os do you have now? |
| 08:12.00 | laidback_01_ | i'd thought it would have been universal, so chose debian as the most populous of the unix channels. anyway, not even close to a debian thing. my bad ;) |
| 08:14.08 | Jitzi | from everything I've read so far, it sounds like there is no way to downgrade these packages other than formatting and reinstalling the entire OS |
| 08:14.26 | Jitzi | since I don't have physical access to the box, that is not at all ideal |
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| 08:15.12 | dumbo_000 | jim windows 8 but it's not my computer |
| 08:15.24 | dumbo_000 | i use someone else's |
| 08:16.22 | dumbo_000 | partitioning with archlinux and will install different os's in it |
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| 08:17.33 | dumbo_000 | will make boot partition (100mb), a linux partition for linux distros, one for win7 and one for freeBSD |
| 08:17.46 | jim | do you have your own? |
| 08:17.51 | dumbo_000 | have only4 primary options |
| 08:18.14 | shingouz | Jitzi: /msg dpkg downgrade and /msg dpkg partial downgrade. it is possible, but definitely not fun nor safe. YMMV |
| 08:18.23 | jim | is it a new drive? |
| 08:18.24 | dumbo_000 | jim yeah i'm working on my own computer right now... |
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| 08:18.40 | Jitzi | shingouz: the only other thing I can think of is to try upgrade the box to the 'testing' branch |
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| 08:19.15 | shingouz | Jitzi: that is another possibility. on the other hand, if you only have a few packages screwed, you might be lucky with the downgrade |
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| 08:19.42 | jim | how large is the hd on that computer? does it have stuff on it already? |
| 08:19.51 | dumbo_000 | this computer i'm using to chat here is what i'm using only for solving issues on other computer but it's someone else. |
| 08:19.53 | Jitzi | shingouz: I only installed a single tiny package before realizing the sources.list was wrong, but that seems to have installed a bunch of other things |
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| 08:20.39 | shingouz | Jitzi: check the dependencies on the package in question, maybe you are lucky |
| 08:20.45 | jim | clarifying, is the computer that you own, have anything on it yet? |
| 08:20.45 | chele | track that list and trying installing them with pck=version |
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| 08:21.01 | lancelot_of | no hints for me? |
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| 08:21.20 | Jitzi | shingouz: well as I said, when I try to downgrade libtinfo5, it wants to remove bash and util-linux |
| 08:21.21 | dumbo_000 | got problems with drivers on windows with the other computer, hope to be more lucky with linu. |
| 08:21.24 | dumbo_000 | linux |
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| 08:21.37 | Jitzi | removing bash while downgrading packages does not sound safe |
| 08:21.55 | shingouz | Jitzi: you are correct |
| 08:21.57 | dumbo_000 | jim: it's a complicated situation. |
| 08:22.06 | Jitzi | shingouz: what do you suggest? |
| 08:22.33 | manchot | a local machine with eth0 and lo interface. How can I write an Iptable rule that direct all the DNS queries from eth0 port 3399 to lo port 53? |
| 08:22.37 | manchot | both udp and tcp |
| 08:22.38 | fishcooker | let say i want to know what an user do on the box.. history line would be nice, what file copied, edited or etc.. is it possible? |
| 08:22.43 | shingouz | a thermonuclear warhead? gimme a few miinutes, ill see if i can come up with something Jitzi |
| 08:22.54 | Jitzi | shingouz: thanks |
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| 08:24.23 | shingouz | Jitzi: more coming, but have you done a dryrun with apt-get using --allow-downgrades? |
| 08:24.29 | Jitzi | shingouz: These were the upgraded packages: bash-completion ifupdown initscripts libmount1 libncurses5 libncursesw5 libpam-systemd libsmartcols1 libsystemd0 libtinfo5 mount systemd systemd-sysv sysvinit-utils util-linux |
| 08:24.36 | jim | ok... I'm just thinking, if that computer has nothing (no operating systems even), maybe you can put a gpt partition table (I think the drive has to be big enough), gpt partition tables allow 128 primary partitions |
| 08:25.27 | bezaban | fishcooker: you can look at pasacct/acct |
| 08:25.33 | bezaban | psacct* |
| 08:26.03 | Jitzi | shingouz: "Command line option --allow-downgrades is not understood" |
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| 08:30.14 | shingouz | Jitzi: which version are you supposed to run on the box? stable? |
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| 08:31.38 | shingouz | mutters something foul about --allow-downgrades apparently being introduced in apt 1.1 |
| 08:32.33 | Jitzi | shingouz: jessie |
| 08:32.47 | shingouz | Jitzi: start with the bash-completion, maybe? using dpkg. start with dryruns, of course |
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| 08:34.14 | Jitzi | shingouz: should I download the jessie packages manually then use dkpg? |
| 08:34.38 | Jitzi | won't I run into the same issue with it wanting to remove bash and other important stuff? |
| 08:34.52 | wyoung | shingouz: downgrading isn't such a bad idea, if it is handled correctly |
| 08:34.55 | shingouz | Jitzi: you could try that, yes. but be sure you do dryruns galore before you commit anything |
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| 08:35.20 | Jitzi | wyoung: maybe if downgrading didn't want to remove bash |
| 08:35.22 | wyoung | shingouz: but really there shouldn't be a need, just spin up VM with the required version, done |
| 08:35.30 | shingouz | wyoung: i know. the thing is it is a remote box, most possibly in production and not mine |
| 08:35.48 | fishcooker | looks nice bezaban, thankyou |
| 08:36.04 | wyoung | shingouz: VM can be XEN, qemu / kvm, lxc, virtualbox, etc etc |
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| 08:37.24 | shingouz | wyoung: i have not seen Jitzi mention a vm anywhere. maybe i need glasses |
| 08:37.54 | Jitzi | it's a dedicated box without anything but SSH |
| 08:38.01 | wyoung | shingouz: he didn't, but that is how I would do it. If I need a particular version of software that conflicts with other software then move it into its own VM |
| 08:38.30 | wyoung | Jitzi: you can create a VM via SSH |
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| 08:39.07 | jelly | Jitzi: you can explicitely downgrade bash, first, using something like "apt-get install bash=4.3-11+b1" |
| 08:39.12 | Jitzi | wyoung: that isn't the issue, the issue is that packages were installed with the 'testing' branch in sources.list |
| 08:39.16 | moonpunter | chroot? |
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| 08:39.34 | wyoung | Jitzi: well that was stupid |
| 08:39.36 | Jitzi | I need to fix the installation, I can't install the entire system in a VM |
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| 08:40.32 | Jitzi | jelly: the thing is, bash wasn't upgraded according to the above line that I pasted |
| 08:40.41 | Jitzi | so surely it doesn't need to be downgraded? |
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| 08:40.58 | Jitzi | it said that the following packages were upgraded: bash-completion ifupdown initscripts libmount1 libncurses5 libncursesw5 libpam-systemd libsmartcols1 libsystemd0 libtinfo5 mount systemd systemd-sysv sysvinit-utils util-linux |
| 08:42.22 | jelly | Jitzi: pastebin the full output, if possible. Also the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy bash libncurses5 libncursesw5 libtinfo5" |
| 08:43.11 | Jitzi | shingouz: `dpkg -i --dry-run ./bash-completion_2.1-4_all.deb` says 'pkg: warning: downgrading bash-completion from 1:2.1-4.2 to 1:2.1-4' -- no errors or anything else |
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| 08:43.15 | jelly | Jitzi: which exact command line or tool did you use trying to downgrade libtinfo5 ? |
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| 08:45.12 | jelly | Jitzi: this probably doesn't require using dpkg directly at all. However if you choose to do that, downgrade all the packages relevant for eg. bash using a single dpkg -i ... command |
| 08:45.29 | Jitzi | jelly: full output - http://pastebin.com/89j39y49 |
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| 08:46.33 | Jitzi | I tried using `apt-get install libtinfo5=5.9+20140913-1+b1 libncursesw5=5.9+20140913-1+b1` which says tons of packages will be removed, including a big warning about 'bash libncurses5 (due to bash) e2fsprogs util-linux (due to e2fsprogs)' |
| 08:46.48 | Jitzi | and it says that it is probably a terrible idea to procede |
| 08:46.53 | jelly | Jitzi: put everything in a single paste if possible |
| 08:47.31 | jelly | Jitzi: that apt-get install is a good start, add libncurses5=... to that command line |
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| 08:48.47 | jelly | Jitzi: you want to let apt know its state will be consistent at the end of the action, and since it doesn't even consider downgrades as an option, you need to explicitely downgrade all the related packages in the same command line |
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| 08:49.11 | Jitzi | jelly: adding libncurses5= changed the warning of removed packages to "e2fsprogs util-linux (due to e2fsprogs)" |
| 08:49.21 | Jitzi | which seems like a step in the right direction |
| 08:49.22 | jelly | now figure out what else to add |
| 08:49.35 | msn | add e2fsprogs for sure |
| 08:49.48 | Jitzi | I need to figure out what version though |
| 08:49.56 | jelly | apt-cache policy packagename will tell you versions available from configured repos |
| 08:50.03 | Jitzi | I got the other versions from the dependency error when trying to install other packages |
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| 08:51.03 | jelly | if you're handy with aptitude's interactive UI, instead of doing things like this you can |
| 08:51.07 | jelly | !partial downgrade |
| 08:51.07 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 08:51.23 | Jitzi | for e2fsprogs, it only has 1.42.12-1.1 listed as installed, no other versions |
| 08:51.36 | jelly | ,v e2fsprogs |
| 08:51.37 | judd | Package: e2fsprogs on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.41.12-4stable1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.41.12-4+deb6u2; wheezy: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.42.12-1.1; sid: 1.42.13-1; stretch: 1.42.13-1; experimental: 1.43~WIP-2015-05-18-1 |
| 08:51.52 | Jitzi | for util-linux, 2.27.1-3 is installed but 2.25.2-6 is listed as jessie/main |
| 08:52.11 | jelly | so that one needs downgrading as well |
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| 08:53.35 | Jitzi | I don't know if 'util-linux=2.25.2-6' is correct, since the other packages versions end with a date and +b1 |
| 08:53.54 | Jitzi | using that, I get "sysvinit-utils : Breaks: util-linux (< 2.26.2-3) but 2.25.2-6 is to be installed" |
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| 08:55.36 | jelly | looks like you're probably going to have to list most of the packages in one go |
| 08:55.38 | Jitzi | after adding the right version of sysvinit-utils, I get a less useful error |
| 08:55.54 | jelly | (pastebin the full output) |
| 08:56.05 | Jitzi | http://pastebin.com/HRYVEdMx |
| 08:57.11 | jelly | ha |
| 08:57.33 | jelly | you'll need to downgrade systemd stuff first, then |
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| 08:58.01 | jelly | instead of bash and util-linux stuff. |
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| 08:59.20 | Jitzi | jelly: does this look safe? http://pastebin.com/MXaJBQnM |
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| 09:01.01 | jelly | Jitzi: only if you don't need gnome |
| 09:01.20 | jelly | Jitzi: add that python3-systemd thing to the command line |
| 09:01.22 | Jitzi | this is a headless server, I don't know why that is even installed |
| 09:01.31 | Jitzi | the provider made a mess of this box |
| 09:02.38 | jelly | because default install, probably |
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| 09:03.18 | jelly | Jitzi: still, removing ifupdown is not a good idea either |
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| 09:05.05 | Jitzi | too late :P |
| 09:05.15 | jelly | also I've never downgraded systemd, no idea what might break there |
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| 09:05.54 | Jitzi | jelly: I've downgraded that stuff, now I need to downgrade initscripts |
| 09:06.20 | jelly | ifupdown is network, don't forget to install it back |
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| 09:07.09 | ossii | anyone can help me with Icedove and enigmail? I want to sign outgoing emails, however I either get the email sent seemly unsigned or if choosing inline pgp the actual pgp "code" is shown in the email body. Tried this with evolution and then outlook shows this "signed" little ribbon next to the mail as its supposed to. |
| 09:07.13 | Jitzi | jelly: this seems a little better: http://pastebin.com/Z3BnFwaB |
| 09:07.42 | Jitzi | I installed ifupdown again, should be ok |
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| 09:08.11 | jelly | yeah. |
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| 09:09.27 | Jitzi | jelly: looks can be deceiving -- it exploded after starting |
| 09:09.59 | Jitzi | http://pastebin.com/fjcBMbQP |
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| 09:11.16 | jelly | that's not bad, just install sysvinit-utils=... again |
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| 09:11.42 | Jitzi | jelly: it was already in the apt-get install line |
| 09:11.42 | jelly | ,v sysvinit-utils |
| 09:11.43 | judd | Package: sysvinit-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.88dsf-13.1+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1; jessie: 2.88dsf-59; stretch: 2.88dsf-59.2; sid: 2.88dsf-59.3 |
| 09:11.59 | Jitzi | (top of the paste) |
| 09:12.18 | jelly | Jitzi: yes, but again, apt does not support downgrades so there is no code to check for correct ordering |
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| 09:13.04 | jelly | that's what "no support" means, things can break and don't expect it to work right away |
| 09:14.19 | Jitzi | oh I see what you mean |
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| 09:14.25 | Jitzi | well that worked out, no more errors |
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| 09:15.07 | jelly | most of that "can be autoremoved" stuff looked like gnome, but there was an obvious outlier apache2-bin |
| 09:15.42 | jelly | that's okay if you don't need apache on that system |
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| 09:16.33 | jelly | Jitzi: verify whether you have leftover package versions that need downgrading |
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| 09:16.51 | jelly | !not available |
| 09:16.51 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 09:17.56 | Jitzi | jelly: bash-completion fail2ban libapparmor1 libfdisk1 libmount1 libseccomp2 libsmartcols1 mount python3-pyinotify |
| 09:18.02 | Jitzi | I'll try downgrading them shortly |
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| 09:18.40 | Dioniz | Hi, after apt-get install phpmyadmin on debian 8. localhost/phpmyadmin doesnt work why ? |
| 09:20.00 | jelly | ,v fail2ban |
| 09:20.01 | judd | Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.4-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 0.8.6-3wheezy1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; wheezy-security: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.3-1; sid: 0.9.3-1 |
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| 09:20.11 | jelly | no backports for fail2ban |
| 09:20.15 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My Debian 8 has got a disk of 300 GB. One partition is 4 GB and the rest is unallocated space. Now the needs has changed and I need the root partition to be 30 GB. What is the most efficient way to resize that thing without having to reinstall the entire system? I am fine booting the server from a Live CD, copying data somewhere, etc... |
| 09:20.21 | jelly | ,v checkbackport fail2ban |
| 09:20.22 | judd | No package named 'checkbackport' was found in amd64. |
| 09:20.27 | jelly | ,checkbackport fail2ban |
| 09:20.28 | judd | Backporting package fail2ban in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 09:20.58 | jelly | Jitzi: if you really need newer fail2ban, try to build it for jessie yourself. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 09:21.38 | Jitzi | jelly: I don't, and all of those packages seem to be able to be downgraded without an issue |
| 09:21.47 | Jitzi | So I think we managed to save this box |
| 09:21.54 | Jitzi | really appreciate your help |
| 09:23.23 | chele | ,v xchat |
| 09:23.24 | judd | Package: xchat on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.8-3; wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3 |
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| 09:27.45 | Jitzi | jelly: everything appears to be working fine now -- thanks again! |
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| 09:34.24 | ZenWalker | morning |
| 09:34.40 | ZenWalker | I can search packages marked as "hold" with aptitude? |
| 09:35.07 | jelly | !held |
| 09:35.07 | dpkg | Packages currently on <hold> can be listed with «dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$'» (on hold for apt-get), or «aptitude search ~ahold» (on hold for aptitude). See also <unhold>. |
| 09:35.56 | wsky | ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! âââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
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| 09:36.15 | ZenWalker | aptitude search ~ah |
| 09:36.16 | ZenWalker | :) |
| 09:36.28 | ZenWalker | *~ahold |
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| 09:36.49 | wsky | ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! âââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
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| 09:37.23 | wsky | ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL! âââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 09:37.25 | ChrisH | !ops wsky trolling |
| 09:37.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: chrish complains about: wsky trolling |
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| 09:38.17 | wsky | ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL! STOP TO THE AMERICAN IMPERIALISM! âââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 09:38.23 | Downtime | wsky: Let's not. |
| 09:38.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | I just debootstrapped from ubuntu to newly formatted ext4 device, however when I reboot I disconnect the ubuntu volume, hence the error I will ask about, at boot the newly bootstrapped volume is no longer /dev/sdb1 rather /dev/sda1 |
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| 09:38.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | How to fix this? Or do it manually? |
| 09:38.57 | hid3 | Any ideas how do I resize a partition? I need to increase its size from 4 GB to 30ish... There is unallocated space on physical disk available for that |
| 09:39.01 | teclo- | wsky: you forgot Che Guevara |
| 09:39.31 | wsky | ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL! STOP TO THE AMERICAN IMPERIALISM! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! âââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
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| 09:39.51 | wsky | teclo-: that one is dead, can't live anymore, unless as an idea |
| 09:40.18 | wsky | ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL! STOP TO THE AMERICAN IMPERIALISM! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! âââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 09:40.25 | niko | wsky: enough |
| 09:40.30 | wsky | no? |
| 09:40.35 | hid3 | go away noob |
| 09:40.39 | wsky | no? |
| 09:40.43 | wsky | ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL! STOP TO THE AMERICAN IMPERIALISM! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! âââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
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| 09:40.45 | hid3 | better help me resize the partition |
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| 09:41.18 | jelly | someone needs to take their meds more regularly |
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| 09:42.19 | hid3 | :D |
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| 09:42.48 | hid3 | jelly, any ideas about resizing partitions? I know you are knowledgeable... |
| 09:43.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | hid3: resizing a partition is old school; user ZFS for storage |
| 09:43.33 | han-solo | is there any way to change the ip? |
| 09:43.34 | hid3 | Okay, let's no gossip this time, ok? |
| 09:43.42 | ChrisH | hid3: best idea is reinstall using LVM. |
| 09:43.49 | han-solo | except ifconfig eth0 ip netmask . . . . |
| 09:43.51 | han-solo | ? |
| 09:43.52 | hid3 | I don't like LVMs |
| 09:43.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | hid3: Do you have a GUI open? gparted is an option... |
| 09:44.11 | hid3 | TyrfingMjolnir: no, no GUI |
| 09:44.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | parted should do then |
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| 09:44.33 | hid3 | how easy is to screw things up with parted? |
| 09:44.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | hid3: Last time I had the idea that partition sizes actually existed I learnt about ZFS |
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| 09:44.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | ZFS has no partition sizes |
| 09:45.36 | hid3 | I definitely will not be setting up ZFS on old SCSI disks and 12 year old server |
| 09:45.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | Why? |
| 09:46.00 | hid3 | I'd better just copy the data somewhere, boot from live CD and recreate the partitions, then move data back |
| 09:46.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | Sounds less risky than change partition sizes to me |
| 09:46.15 | hid3 | because I don't get payed for this and I don't have time, this is for my part time job |
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| 09:46.44 | TyrfingMjolnir | Well, you might learn something, and it's a really nice piece of knowledge |
| 09:47.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | copying the data to an external drive |
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| 09:48.02 | jelly | hid3: gparted is reasonably safe with classic mbr and typical filesystems. If you had lvm you'd be able to resize without downtime! |
| 09:48.06 | hid3 | probably NAS instead of external drive, as I don't have one on hands... |
| 09:48.27 | hid3 | jelly: I know! This system was designed like 12 years ago and not by me... |
| 09:48.42 | jelly | hid3: do you have working backups? |
| 09:48.47 | hid3 | indeed |
| 09:49.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | reformatting and repartitioning also sounds less risky than changing partition size |
| 09:49.29 | jelly | making a 4GB image of the sole partition isn't going to be too hard to do anyway |
| 09:49.40 | hid3 | no need for image |
| 09:49.48 | hid3 | the system itself is barely 800 MB |
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| 09:49.52 | hid3 | copy over somewhere |
| 09:49.55 | jelly | whatever backup method you like |
| 09:50.06 | hid3 | then destroy, recreate, create FS, move back the data, install boot loader |
| 09:50.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | dd if=/drive of=/mnt/filedrivename.dd |
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| 09:50.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | Maybe ext2 will be better than ext? |
| 09:51.11 | jelly | hid3: just make "copy over" implies you know how to copy correctly, keeping numeric uids and gids, perms, timestamps, hardlinks, sparse files if any |
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| 09:51.21 | jelly | oops, broken sentence. |
| 09:51.51 | hid3 | answer to your broken sentence: I know 'cd / ; cp -aux . /mnt' |
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| 09:52.21 | jelly | hid3: you lost hardlinks and sparse files there :> |
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| 09:52.47 | hid3 | then what's the right way? |
| 09:52.54 | jelly | (but for a basic system like that it's probably good enough) |
| 09:53.36 | jelly | there's no one right way. Personally I prefer rsync |
| 09:54.08 | hid3 | rsync -aq / /mnt ? need to exclude /mnt somehow to avoid resursion |
| 09:54.22 | jelly | something like rsync -ahSxX (-P if you like to look at scrolling files) |
| 09:54.45 | jelly | yeah, it has the one file system param, too |
| 09:55.01 | jelly | oops, uppercase H |
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| 09:56.27 | jelly | it doesn't matter for 800MB. but with millions or terabytes of files rsync is better in that if interrupted, it can be restarted and not copy everything all over |
| 09:56.49 | hid3 | alright.. Headache.. The management was lazy to make the decision for mothns, and now they are pushing on me to do this TODAY. My GF's birthday is about here and I still haven't bought a gift.. Now this is the real problem |
| 09:57.31 | AlexPortable | Can I install debian and then create a preseed or the installation choices I've made? |
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| 09:57.46 | jelly | I'd make a quick backup using whatever, then resize with gparted livecd |
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| 09:58.33 | hid3 | Will probably boot to live cd (any suggestions which to use?) and simply destroy/create the partitions |
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| 10:00.22 | hid3 | need to remember how to create those "aligned" partitions correctly |
| 10:00.43 | hid3 | jelly, looks like wsky_ has rejoined the channel, with different host/ip |
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| 10:00.49 | hid3 | be aware of that |
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| 10:01.14 | hid3 | :DDDD |
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| 10:02.42 | jelly | has to work, no time to unite |
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| 10:05.18 | BinBasher | until his cooperation with hitler, mussolini was a great leader in my opinion |
| 10:05.18 | shodan` | why is php-json a seperate package all of a sudden? |
| 10:05.27 | shodan` | makes no sense |
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| 10:05.46 | shodan` | also when installing php-json it seems to be installing a ton of dependencies including some x11 stuff |
| 10:06.02 | shodan` | so whoever packaged it needs to have a long hard look at the dependencies |
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| 10:08.27 | BinBasher | is the nvidia driver version 340.65 the latest stable one? |
| 10:08.28 | jelly | BinBasher: keep the comments in here to tech support in debian, please |
| 10:08.41 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:08.42 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-1; sid/non-free: 352.79-1; experimental/non- |
| 10:08.43 | judd | free: 355.11-1 |
| 10:08.51 | shodan` | ,v php5-json |
| 10:08.52 | judd | Package: php5-json on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.6-1; sid: 1.3.7-1; stretch: 1.3.7-1 |
| 10:09.01 | shodan` | what |
| 10:09.03 | shodan` | wat |
| 10:09.28 | shodan` | why is php5-json merged into php5 in wheezy but not sid, stretch and jessie |
| 10:09.28 | shodan` | wat |
| 10:09.30 | jelly | BinBasher: it seems 340.96 is in jessie and there's a fresh backport of 352.79 too if you have REALLY new hardware |
| 10:10.08 | BinBasher | jelly: newer driver version has no impact on and older hardware piece right? |
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| 10:10.15 | BinBasher | an* |
| 10:10.42 | jelly | BinBasher: apart from bugs fixed, no, it shouldn't have. If 340.x works for you keep using it |
| 10:11.15 | jelly | BinBasher: if you're interested, aptitude changelog nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 10:25.08 | BinBasher | when doing nvidia-xconfig it complains that there was no package called xorg-server found, I installed xorg-server-source and it still complains |
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| 10:30.15 | babilen | BinBasher: Don't use nvidia-xconfig, but: |
| 10:30.18 | babilen | dpkg: nvidia dkms |
| 10:30.19 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 10:30.19 | lalalawsky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:30.24 | lalalawsky | hello |
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| 10:33.23 | lala_wsky | are you really making me starting using tor?? ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL! STOP TO THE AMERICAN IMPERIALISM! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE ââââââââââââââââââââââ |
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| 10:33.28 | lala_wsky | are you really making me starting using tor?? ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL! STOP TO THE AMERICAN IMPERIALISM! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE ââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 10:33.38 | lala_wsky | are you really making me starting using tor?? ââââââââââââââââââââââ LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL! STOP TO THE AMERICAN IMPERIALISM! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE ââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 10:33.45 | BinBasher | babilen: copy this whole thing ( aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ) ? |
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| 10:40.55 | darxmurf | yeah we have some serious h4ckerZ over here |
| 10:41.49 | AlexPortable | Can I install debian and then create a preseed or the installation choices I've made? |
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| 10:43.27 | binbasher1 | how should I configure my xorg.conf if I use bumblebee? |
| 10:44.47 | binbasher1 | sorry, I mean bumblebee-nvidia |
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| 10:48.03 | teraflops | Heh sarg tells in its config file a wrong location for the squid access log. Since both packages are.from debian repos one can expect a better integration |
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| 10:51.45 | teraflops | binbasher1: there's a debian wiki entry about bemblebee |
| 10:52.25 | teraflops | Bumblebee srry |
| 10:52.46 | Aprendiz1234 | I want to remove a logical path but when i execute lvremove appears an error saying that "Logical volume contains a filesystem in use". I try to disable with lvchange -an and I hace the same problem |
| 10:53.11 | Aprendiz1234 | how can I solve it? The logical device is not mounted. |
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| 10:54.38 | binbasher1 | teraflops: I know, I've read it but it doesn't say anything about the xorg file |
| 10:55.05 | teraflops | Because you do not need one |
| 10:55.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell BinBasher about xorg.conf |
| 10:55.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell BinBasher about xorg.conf.d |
| 10:55.41 | babilen | BinBasher: I'd always use specific and minimal files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d rather than a monolithic xorg.conf |
| 10:55.43 | binbasher1 | teraflops: oh? for bumblebee-nvidia? really? :o |
| 10:56.02 | teraflops | binbasher1: yes |
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| 10:58.48 | teraflops | binbasher1: you already have a snippet in /etc/bumblebee/whatever if I recall correctly I can not check it right now |
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| 10:59.34 | shodan` | binbasher1: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bumblebee |
| 10:59.46 | Kirito | What is the purpose of having make-kpkg is it generates a Debian package that can't be used on other Debian systems? |
| 11:00.03 | shodan` | BinBasher: and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee |
| 11:00.10 | teraflops | shodan`: there's a debian wiki page for that |
| 11:00.14 | Kirito | "Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/4.3.5-custom/source However, I can not read the target: No such file or directory" |
| 11:00.39 | shodan` | teraflops: the arch wiki article is more extensive |
| 11:00.48 | Kirito | Why is it symlinking to local files and not packaging them the .deb itself? |
| 11:01.56 | shodan` | also https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6f1dafc8beb84f2ac |
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| 11:03.48 | binbasher1 | teraflops: does that mean I shouldn't have a xorg.conf.d either? |
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| 11:05.25 | shodan` | binbasher1: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bumblebee |
| 11:05.41 | teraflops | binbasher1: nope by default. Unless you explain your xy |
| 11:05.58 | shodan` | binbasher1: that wiki page is a bit more extensive |
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| 11:06.45 | Triski | hi all! |
| 11:07.09 | AlexPortable | Can I install debian and then create a preseed or the installation choices I've made? |
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| 11:08.16 | binbasher1 | teraflops: ah, and anything else than xorg.conf.d doesn't matter right? like xorg.conf.nvidiabackup |
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| 11:12.02 | teraflops | binbasher1: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:12.19 | binbasher1 | teraflops: another attempt at geting nvidia to work on my optimus system |
| 11:12.25 | binbasher1 | with intel |
| 11:12.55 | binbasher1 | already got the backported kernel and intel drivers, got nvidia drivers and bumblebee-nvidia |
| 11:12.57 | teraflops | Yeah that's why you use bumblebee |
| 11:13.14 | binbasher1 | now I just boot at tty1 |
| 11:13.29 | binbasher1 | no gui as always |
| 11:13.33 | binbasher1 | with nvidia |
| 11:13.49 | binbasher1 | tried systemctl enable lightdm |
| 11:13.54 | binbasher1 | start too |
| 11:13.59 | binbasher1 | doesn't start |
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| 11:15.36 | babilen | AlexPortable: Install debconf-utils and look at "debconf-get-selections --installer" and "debconf-get-selections" |
| 11:15.41 | Aprendiz1234 | I can't remove a logical volume because "contains a filesystem in use" but I have the partition umounted. |
| 11:15.49 | binbasher1 | I'll try some stuff out.. |
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| 11:18.21 | BinBasher | awesome, I think I got it to work |
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| 11:18.32 | babilen | AlexPortable: You probably want to filter those down to the entries exemplified in https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/example-preseed.txt -- Also check the resulting file with "debconf-set-selections -c preseed.cfg" |
| 11:18.36 | teraflops | BinBasher: you dont use the dedicated gpu as main gpu |
| 11:18.41 | teraflops | ah nvm |
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| 11:20.39 | BinBasher | I can finally use my backlight :-) wasn't that difficult after all, lol |
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| 11:24.23 | teraflops | BinBasher: ;) |
| 11:25.01 | BinBasher | People had suggested me such complicated procedures :D |
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| 11:28.38 | BinBasher | has anyone got locking the gnome window manager to lightdm login screen to work? |
| 11:29.20 | babilen | What does that mean? |
| 11:30.07 | teraflops | heh |
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| 11:31.02 | BinBasher | I mean |
| 11:31.26 | BinBasher | you log in with lightdm |
| 11:31.30 | BinBasher | to gnome |
| 11:31.37 | BinBasher | I cant' lock it :s |
| 11:33.07 | babilen | You install lightdm, select gnome, enter your password and ... boom! ? |
| 11:33.19 | babilen | Still not sure what "lock it" means in this context |
| 11:34.23 | babilen | Are you referring to locking the screen after some time so that you'd have to enter your password again to get access to your session again? |
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| 11:59.00 | BinBasher | yes babilen |
| 11:59.12 | BinBasher | that's exactly what I mean |
| 11:59.24 | babilen | BinBasher: You might want to look into xscreensaver, light-locker, i3lock, slock, ... |
| 11:59.42 | BinBasher | thanks |
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| 12:06.58 | t4nk688 | I get this error when trying to install mariadb 10.1 . Can someone help me fix that error? I tried googling but nothing helpful came up: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mariadb-client : Depends: mariadb-client-10.1 (= 10.1.11+maria-1~sid) but it is not going to be installed mariadb-server : Depends: mariadb-server-10.1 (= 10.1.11+maria-1~sid) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 12:08.59 | AlexPortable | babilen: well that also includes changes I didn't made but are default |
| 12:10.49 | babilen | AlexPortable: Exactly, hence the need for filtering it |
| 12:11.07 | AlexPortable | well how can I filter it? |
| 12:11.55 | babilen | grep, sed, emacs, vim, .... |
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| 12:12.58 | AlexPortable | yes but on what |
| 12:13.05 | babilen | Everything you want to retain |
| 12:13.18 | AlexPortable | how do I know what I want to retain |
| 12:13.41 | babilen | It is generally recommended to start with the example file and to alter it to fit your needs. You can lookup respective settings in the acquired dump. |
| 12:14.02 | babilen | AlexPortable: I don't know .. it really is up to you to decide what you want to set |
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| 12:19.32 | Quatroking | how do i make a program run at startup, before login? |
| 12:19.38 | AlexPortable | well mostly just the default things |
| 12:20.48 | AlexPortable | language: english, and then my country, the rest is default |
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| 12:24.54 | AlexPortable | host name, root password and some other small things |
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| 12:32.27 | calimero_82 | hi guys |
| 12:32.38 | calimero_82 | can i post a question here? |
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| 12:32.55 | babilen | calimero_82: Sure (as long as it is related to Debian) |
| 12:33.31 | calimero_82 | i use ubuntu 1404 and yesterday i had this problem, can i post the image?thanks |
| 12:33.44 | AlexPortable | babilen: ? |
| 12:33.53 | babilen | For Ubuntu you want #ubuntu rather than #debian, calimero_82 |
| 12:34.12 | babilen | AlexPortable: mmh? |
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| 12:34.49 | calimero_82 | i am entered there but there's not been a solution for it |
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| 12:36.02 | babilen | calimero_82: Well, we do not support Ubuntu. You can try ##linux for generic Linux support. Or you could install Debian and seek help here. |
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| 12:36.45 | calimero_82 | ok thanks |
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| 12:56.40 | shodan` | what is the average amount of traffic for a debian mirror per month? |
| 12:56.54 | shodan` | thinking of setting one up on a spare piece of hardware |
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| 12:58.23 | jeddi | shodan`: lots. are you doing all archs? |
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| 12:58.30 | shodan` | sure |
| 12:58.45 | shodan` | disk space is as good as free these days anyways |
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| 12:59.20 | pluffsy | Hi! |
| 12:59.20 | shodan` | looks like all archs is only 1500GB https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 12:59.29 | markybob | shodan`, that's 1515GB btw. you have that to spare? |
| 12:59.37 | shodan` | I have 10TB spare atm |
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| 12:59.54 | pluffsy | I canât seem to google this. In the installation box âPartition disksâ one column show B, F or K. B is bootable, but what is F and K? |
| 12:59.57 | markybob | shodan`, must be nice. https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 13:00.01 | poffs | shodan`, so... setup a raid |
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| 13:00.08 | jeddi | Quatroking_: you may be after the crontab manual - referring particularly to the @reboot special string. |
| 13:00.29 | markybob | shodan`, when you're done setting it up you can submit it here https://www.debian.org/mirror/submit |
| 13:00.36 | shodan` | okay, thanks |
| 13:00.43 | shodan` | how much traffic can I expect per month on average? |
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| 13:00.53 | shodan` | so I can calculate in advance how much bandwith I have to buy |
| 13:00.57 | markybob | shodan`, not a clue |
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| 13:01.36 | shodan` | would it be okay to use rms.sexy as the domain or do I need something a bit more serious? |
| 13:01.44 | Quatroking | jeddi, will that allow me to run "x11vnc -usepw -display :0 -forever" as soon as the login screen shows up? |
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| 13:01.52 | shodan` | no wait rms wouldn't approve, I'll just use something else |
| 13:02.16 | jeddi | Quatroking: almost definitely. you want to run this as your normal user, not root, correct? |
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| 13:02.23 | Quatroking | Yep |
| 13:02.51 | rshann | On Debian Jessie I've been running Evolution mail client for a while, but after fsck had to fix some file trouble it has stopped sending emails (with the STARTTLS not supported message). I've tried removing all the evolution data files (.config/evolution .local/share/evolution and .cache/evolution) and re-installed the program but it remembers my account settings and can't send. Looking in strace I can't see it accessing any file that it could |
| 13:02.51 | rshann | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.56 | jeddi | Quatroking: should work a treat, then. 'man 5 crontab' - search on 'reboot' and you'll find the section you're interested in. |
| 13:03.52 | Quatroking | Thanks |
| 13:04.06 | jeddi | Quatroking: and, of course, edit your normal user's crontab - and you should be good to go. i use something similar for normal vnc4server |
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| 13:09.54 | markybob | shodan`, you realize your site's HSTS is invalid? |
| 13:10.47 | shodan` | g |
| 13:10.49 | shodan` | markybob: ? |
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| 13:11.27 | spleen | Hello, i notice that several connexions was established from a server A to server B. How could i find the command is working between A et B ? |
| 13:11.35 | markybob | shodan`, your https config is messed up. you provide more than one HSTS header |
| 13:12.07 | shodan` | let me check my nginx config, might be some legacy stuff from when I made my config more sane |
| 13:12.08 | jeddi | spleen: tcpdump, netstat |
| 13:12.59 | jeddi | spleen: iftop |
| 13:13.09 | spleen | jeddi, whithout using tcp, could i get this info with a command |
| 13:13.17 | spleen | i already run netstat |
| 13:13.31 | spleen | i see two ip tcp transaction |
| 13:13.49 | petemc | tcpflow is useful |
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| 13:13.57 | spleen | but i want to see you is exchanching ? rsync, dump.. |
| 13:14.08 | jeddi | spleen: how do you know the connection is being established? if you know the port number - netcat will be your best bet. |
| 13:14.42 | shodan` | markybob: thanks, fixed |
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| 13:15.04 | markybob | shodan`, np |
| 13:15.28 | spleen | jeddi, yes i saw the port. But i would like to see wish shell script is the origin about this connnexion |
| 13:15.53 | petemc | if you run it as root, netstat -p shows the process |
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| 13:17.21 | jeddi | spleen: as noted, netstat - typically with '-pan' parameters, or just -p as petemc says. |
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| 13:17.32 | spleen | petemc, netstat -patn |grep 10.1.27.1 ===> ESTABLISHED 2718/mongos |
| 13:17.58 | spleen | but i would like to know what is the origin.. |
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| 13:18.37 | jeddi | spleen: please define 'origin' |
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| 13:19.19 | jeddi | spleen: you may need to run the netstat - grep for port # or ip address as appropriate - and get the pid - then run 'pstree -pan | less' and search for the pid. |
| 13:19.22 | jeddi | then look at the parent. |
| 13:19.33 | jeddi | it's tricky working out what you're actually trying to achieve here. : ) |
| 13:19.53 | spleen | jeddi, sorry for my bad english. err, i mean, who launch the "mongos" connexion, what script is running on server A (the source) ? |
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| 13:20.07 | jeddi | spleen: okay - then the above process may get you where you're trying to get to. |
| 13:20.33 | jeddi | alternatively - systemctl status mongo <-- does this show that you've got mongo starting at boot? |
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| 13:27.59 | whichdistro | hi debian friends |
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| 13:29.07 | whichdistro | I'm trying 3 different distros |
| 13:29.20 | whichdistro | manjaro, lmde and debian |
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| 13:29.57 | whichdistro | who can help me telling principales differences between them? |
| 13:29.59 | rafalcpp | whichdistro: cool, and? some people like Mint also because of many build in drivers |
| 13:30.29 | whichdistro | til now debian is the fastest to boot up |
| 13:30.42 | whichdistro | 15 sec vs 34 of manjaro and lmde |
| 13:30.51 | rafalcpp | whichdistro: debian is the most conservative approach, usually quite safe, and most open by default, but also sometimes e.g. lacking some drivers (e.g. untill you would enable non-free repository), while mint has basically opposite approach |
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| 13:31.32 | whichdistro | debian is damned fast to boot up |
| 13:31.48 | jelly | how often do you boot up the machine anyway |
| 13:31.48 | markybob | whichdistro, debian certainly has less bloat |
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| 13:31.49 | rafalcpp | so I would go with Debian especially fore a bit more secure desktops, and servers. While Mint or other such mix could be better for less important but modern desktop for example for multimedia or gaming (closed source is a security risk) |
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| 13:32.10 | jelly | mine goes to sleep each night, reboots only for kernel patches |
| 13:32.25 | rafalcpp | (though I mostly have no problem with Debian either, for gaming and multimedia, sometimes I install closed driver when unavoidable) |
| 13:32.33 | whichdistro | I like xfce and hate gnome or kde |
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| 13:32.51 | whichdistro | and I like debian philosophy |
| 13:32.53 | markybob | whichdistro, great. jessie has 4.10 |
| 13:32.54 | rafalcpp | whichdistro: it's not so importnt, you can swap the DM/WM in any such distro, just install/remove |
| 13:33.38 | rafalcpp | btw I have a problem with Xfce on debian 8, |
| 13:33.40 | whichdistro | about the software available |
| 13:33.47 | rafalcpp | the switch user button (from locked screen) is not working |
| 13:34.01 | whichdistro | realy? |
| 13:34.32 | rafalcpp | whichdistro: debian tends to have older versions, which is espeically a problem later in the release cycle. If you need just some apps in new versions, then you can easily use backports (or even build that 1 or 2 apps from source) |
| 13:35.15 | whichdistro | ok backports |
| 13:35.34 | whichdistro | are backports auto update like other packages? |
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| 13:35.57 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 13:36.11 | tite12345 | Why is it that I am always asked for the password of the network connection I |
| 13:36.11 | shodan` | markybob: just submitted it for hsts preloading because it seems like I also forgot that. The sexiest .sexy domain defenitly needs hsts preloading |
| 13:36.17 | tite12345 | I'm always connected to anyway*? |
| 13:36.38 | tite12345 | Also, this "some application is trying to access the default keyring" |
| 13:36.40 | tite12345 | What's that? |
| 13:36.45 | tite12345 | Is this some new feature in 8.3? |
| 13:36.53 | tite12345 | Sorry for my bad English. |
| 13:37.16 | tite12345 | But please tell me if it isn't clear. |
| 13:37.47 | lord_rob | Hi! I have a OpenVPN server running locally on my machine and I'd like to know how other machines of the network could be able to access it. Is there a program that does the job ? |
| 13:38.04 | whichdistro | rafalcpp stable is safe and what about testing? is testing getting security updates? Someone say yes and someone say no |
| 13:38.32 | markybob | !testing security |
| 13:38.32 | dpkg | The testing release does not receive full security support until just before release. Up until that time, security updates can take a few days to arrive and will often be new upstream versions which may require you to spend significant time reconfiguring applications. Don't run 'testing' on things where good security support and stability are important. See <moving target>. |
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| 13:39.24 | jelly | lord_rob: like, an openvpn client? |
| 13:39.30 | rafalcpp | whichdistro: for really good security I would recommend concerning gentoo hardened. but for more regular use if you're not a big target then debian stable. also consider changing kernel to grsecurity (grsecurity-testing) - it has to be done manually (though in future debian plans to suppot grse more) |
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| 13:40.00 | fnT | hi ! :) can you help me with this problem? thanks. http://pastebin.com/5qUjDh1R |
| 13:40.01 | khazakar | rafalcpp: not better on debian stable to compile kernel with grsec and pax? |
| 13:40.18 | lord_rob | jelly: an openvpn client running as a daemon |
| 13:40.34 | rafalcpp | khazakar: I think gentoo can benefit from randomization done to each binary in the system on it's build. and also every binary will be hardened too AFAIR |
| 13:41.13 | rafalcpp | on debian you could rebuild the kernel with paches, and then rebuild important programs with proper flags and maybe with gcc randomization plugin where possible |
| 13:41.23 | khazakar | But gentoo on server?For me - meh :P |
| 13:41.43 | rafalcpp | good question, which binaries are now built with hardening, in Debian? |
| 13:42.27 | lord_rob | jelly: actually it acts as a vpn server for localhost, right ? |
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| 13:42.54 | rafalcpp | lord_rob: you need to create e.g. client certificates, and give them to the users, and set the users to connect with openvpn-client to the server |
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| 13:48.21 | teraflops | fore really good security gentoo whatever ... is this a joke? |
| 13:48.24 | lord_rob | it's because actually I've rent a VPN license for one user on hidemyass.com and if I want to have a license for multiple users it's more expensive. But I think I can have only one user which would be the openVPN server and then dispatch the VPN on all machines of the network. I think it's doable |
| 13:49.00 | teraflops | security is not about the distro is about the user (the admin in this case) |
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| 13:52.24 | jelly | teraflops: it's not a joke, some things are much easier to tackle in a source-based distro |
| 13:52.29 | rafalcpp | teraflops: no it's not a joke, you can't have that level of security on Debian |
| 13:52.46 | rafalcpp | teraflops: unless you would rebuild all binaries and kernel, but at that point is that really a Debian that you have? |
| 13:53.03 | teraflops | yes it is for me, but that's ok. whatever floats your goat |
| 13:53.45 | jelly | rafalcpp: hardening of userspace is done for certain well known services, but it's a very small number of packages by count |
| 13:53.49 | rafalcpp | of course just heaving hardened binaries&kernel is not ENOUGH to be secure, but it closes many attack vectors, so it's a required condition if you consider 0 day attacks and that you will be activelly attacked on every chance |
| 13:54.23 | rafalcpp | teraflops: it's not opinion, it's a fact: you have unhardened kernel/bins -> you are far more opened to 0 days. |
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| 13:54.57 | teraflops | rafalcpp: yes it's /my/ opinion |
| 13:55.01 | rafalcpp | jelly: would be nice to hardend more of them, I hope it improves for debian 9 :) |
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| 13:56.32 | rafalcpp | teraflops: btw, hopefully heaving grsecurity kernel, pax, and RBAC rules could sufficiently protect the apps even from 0 days even if the binaries are not hardened themselves. So imo debian can come quite close to be highly secure :) |
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| 13:57.09 | markybob | this is getting close to silly |
| 13:57.16 | teraflops | rafalcpp: ah so grrrrsec is enough ... |
| 13:57.19 | Cihan | When you want your PC to be even faster http://imgur.com/gallery/rtwxa9O |
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| 13:58.33 | rafalcpp | teraflops: it really depends how much "security" you expect. kernel level protection for applications is protecting from many vulns in them, but they are (or can be) some that would be fixed by hardened build of the application and are not fixed by just running it on hardened kernel |
| 13:59.02 | rafalcpp | jelly: is there a query or search to list which are hardened now? |
| 13:59.12 | whichdistro | thank you rafalcpp. it looks like testing have only an half security support and maybe for this reason they recommend it for normal use on normal pc laptops |
| 13:59.19 | jelly | rafalcpp: dunno, I'll have to look that up |
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| 13:59.35 | jelly | whichdistro: who is "they"? |
| 13:59.54 | whichdistro | jelly reviews on the net |
| 13:59.55 | markybob | whichdistro, not us |
| 14:00.20 | whichdistro | so testing is crap? |
| 14:00.38 | jelly | whichdistro: yeah... I wouldn't trust reviews from anyone who hasn't used a distro for 3-6 months |
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| 14:00.50 | rafalcpp | whichdistro: I would recommend user to use Debian stable. if they lack some drivers then try adding non-free repo or building own kernel (not that hard). If they need can't bare older version of apps the try enabling backports. If still that is not enought then swithc to Mint |
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| 14:00.56 | markybob | whichdistro, it's not crap. it's certainly not good for new users |
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| 14:01.36 | rgr | testing is recommended "by many" for use on more modern laptops and pcs because of better hw support.... works for me on development pc and thinkpad. Building a kernel really isn't an option for many "end users". Its a toss up. Do you really think your security is in anyway "at risk" on your home pc? Certainly not for live servers..... |
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| 14:01.39 | rafalcpp | whichdistro: yes, if you write a review, then well you could quote us :P but better try yourself for half-year, then you can speak from own experience |
| 14:02.18 | markybob | whichdistro, the reason is testing changes daily. after a while one of those changes will break things pretty badly. |
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| 14:05.10 | whichdistro | markybob I will prefer stable with backports and non-free repos |
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| 14:05.44 | whichdistro | nice to see that debian have vlc libreofice and gimp built in |
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| 14:06.24 | psiklops | hi. I am trying to install Debian with this HowTo "https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner#Installing_from_a_USB_stick" to a CubieTruck. The u-boot prompt shows, and i enter: uboot> run bootcmd_usb0 at prompt... it runs too fast, but i see alot of OK's :-) |
| 14:06.36 | whichdistro | btw debian xfce is pretty light and fast |
| 14:06.37 | psiklops | anyway the screen goes black and nothing else happends |
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| 14:07.21 | psiklops | Anybody here with experience or better howto ? |
| 14:07.23 | whichdistro | I don't like ubuntu, maybe mint a little bit because it have a debian based distro |
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| 14:12.49 | Iridos | psiklops, I cannot comment on the procedure... but the wiki entry itself mentions that you either need a serial console or simplefb which didn't work for him for jessie. That seems to kind of match your problem description |
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| 14:14.37 | psiklops | Iridos, i thought it would be that ... but it is in another section :-/ could have been a Typo » "methods" ... thanx ;-) |
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| 14:17.35 | balance | I have debian installed on a vm and it always ask's if I want to boot normally or in safe mode - how can I make that it always takes normal mode unless I press something? |
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| 14:22.18 | Brigo | balance, Debian in safe mode? Debian? |
| 14:22.33 | Brigo | it has and advanced mode, that's all. |
| 14:22.46 | balance | Brigo, recovery mode - grub gives me 2 options, normal debian and one in recovery mode |
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| 14:23.16 | Brigo | balance, then the normal boot should be the default, and get launched after 5 seconds, i think. |
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| 14:23.24 | Brigo | that's how it works in my systemd. |
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| 14:23.29 | Brigo | system* |
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| 14:25.55 | psiklops | Iridos, i got it to run |
| 14:26.39 | psiklops | Iridos, with the uboot prompt options explained below for the Stretch Installer |
| 14:26.42 | balance | Brigo, yeah I guess I just set it to 0sec - it's just a vm, and if I really needrecovery mode I can get into it anyway. hmm, thanks. |
| 14:26.49 | psiklops | but with the current installer ;-) |
| 14:27.11 | psiklops | and NetInstaller |
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| 14:31.28 | Iridos | psiklops, I guess you could update the wiki entry, then |
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| 14:32.07 | karlpinc | Is there a tool that verifies the .deb files against the hashes found in the Packages file? |
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| 14:32.10 | psiklops | Iridos, i guess so :-D |
| 14:32.29 | psiklops | Iridos, I'll walk it through first though ;-) |
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| 14:36.50 | babilen | karlpinc: debsums |
| 14:36.57 | babilen | Ah .. nvm |
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| 14:41.03 | karlpinc | babilen: Yeah. It seems like a useful thing. I just bumped into a hash sum mismatch. I think perhaps a download was interrupted at some point, sometime. Or maybe something is flipping bits because this happened once before. Anyway. I'd like to verify the cache. I might hack something up, but geeze, you'd think it'd been done before. |
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| 14:41.45 | Amun_Ra | ,v crmsh |
| 14:41.47 | judd | Package: crmsh on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.6+git+e77add-2; sid: 2.2.0-1 |
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| 14:45.54 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 14:45.54 | SanchoPensa | i am getting this error, that vlc cannot playback teh video codec hvc1, does anybody know ho to fix this? mplayer aslo doesn't like it. |
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| 14:47.15 | SanchoPensa | and another question: whe i do an up-get upgrade i geht the message: "The following packages have been kept back: |
| 14:47.15 | SanchoPensa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.15 | SanchoPensa | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded." why would that be? |
| 14:47.42 | Ticho | probably because those packages require some new packages to be installed as dependencies |
| 14:47.50 | Ticho | you need apt-get dist-upgrade for that |
| 14:48.11 | SanchoPensa | Ticho: but that would upgrade me to the next os version, right? |
| 14:48.12 | [AlexC] | or if you using sid, not sure the deps in the repo alredy |
| 14:48.21 | Ticho | no |
| 14:48.53 | Ticho | not unless you added repositories for next os version to your sources.list |
| 14:49.00 | SanchoPensa | cat /etc/debian_version says 7.9 |
| 14:49.06 | SanchoPensa | ah, i geht it, thanks |
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| 14:49.42 | markybob | !tell SanchoPensa about wheezy->jessie |
| 14:50.02 | SanchoPensa | yap, did the trick! |
| 14:50.07 | SanchoPensa | thanks, guys! :) |
| 14:50.15 | Iridos | karlpinc, doesn't apt-get/dpkg do that via the pgp keys before installing anyway? |
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| 14:51.20 | kc4zvw | Having gnome terminal dying with error 8 and have try setting locale/reboot several times |
| 14:51.48 | SanchoPensa | ok, it installed one package called libavcodec54 i guess that was it. what it also installed was "calendar-google-provider" what do i require that for? i srsly do not want anything on my computer that carries google ion its name! :D |
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| 14:52.26 | Iridos | karlpinc, dpkg has a --no-debsig, so dpkg checks it for internal consistency |
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| 14:58.26 | SanchoPensa | re. unfortunately it still wouldnt play that hvc1 codec, any ideas please? |
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| 15:04.38 | madroach | Hi, what's the user/password on the standard live install iso image? |
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| 15:07.27 | markybob | madroach, user/live. as per the manual. http://live.debian.net/manual/git/html/live-manual.en.html |
| 15:07.48 | madroach | markybob: thanks! |
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| 15:08.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 15:08.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750 / R7 250E] |
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| 15:09.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | and two monitors and two tvs, and 2dvi to mini displayport 2hdmi to minidisplay port, and i am running the flgrx drivers, |
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| 15:10.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/WCBN |
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| 15:10.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | trying to get them all working but at best i can get two working at a time, even with active hdmi adapters, |
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| 15:12.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/KONf |
| 15:12.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | config #2 |
| 15:12.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | so if anybody has some ideas let me know in a private message so i can see it.. |
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| 15:13.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am thinking of trying the catalyst drivers off the amd site and maybe hook up windows hdd and see what happens? |
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| 15:17.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | I just bootstrapped |
| 15:17.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | The new volume boots, but with errors because what was sdb1 is now sda1 |
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| 15:18.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | Where does the initial boot process after a brand ned debootstrap look for this device name? |
| 15:18.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:19.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat /etc/fstab |
| 15:19.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | # UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM |
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| 15:22.31 | karlpinc | TyrfingMjolnir: I am unfamiliar with debootstrap. A note in case it helps: UUIDs in fstab and elsewhere help in avoiding your problem. |
| 15:25.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | I expect there to be a script that generates the fstab |
| 15:25.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | However I have build my own |
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| 15:25.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | Do I have to change grub settings? |
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| 15:28.21 | Brigo | TyrfingMjolnir, i think you have to chroot in and update grub from there. |
| 15:28.45 | Brigo | TyrfingMjolnir, grub don't care about fstab. It's the grub configuration you have to manage. |
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| 15:29.37 | mavhq | hi, trying to understand preseeding, I have a preseed file on a web server, if I boot the netboot iso, can I press tab at the installer boot menuto edit the menu and type something to preseed, if so, what? |
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| 15:30.17 | phre4k | hi, I can't play audio, alsamixer says "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" but if launched with -c1 it shows my card |
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| 15:30.54 | phre4k | the card is default and I didn't change anything from a working configuration, so how did it stop working? What I was doing is changing songs in mopidy... |
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| 15:33.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | But even in grub there is UUID being used |
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| 15:35.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm not able to find where hdb1 is mentioned. |
| 15:35.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | Another interesting thing is that if I boot my old ubuntu 14.04 install I get 4 times as much text on the screen and I can controll grub at boot time |
| 15:35.41 | han-solo | hey avconv -i infile.avi -s 1900x1080 outfile return error |
| 15:35.47 | han-solo | problem? |
| 15:36.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | With my new install I'm only able to use the keyboard after login prompt shows up |
| 15:36.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | 1920x1080 would probably be more to the point, han-solo |
| 15:37.18 | han-solo | means? |
| 15:37.31 | jeddi | SanchoPensa: consider http://www.unixmen.com/fix-vlc-not-support-audio-video-format-hevc/ |
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| 15:38.02 | SanchoPensa | jeddi: thanks man! |
| 15:38.11 | jeddi | SanchoPensa: what I did was type 'vlc' and 'hevc' into google. |
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| 15:38.42 | SanchoPensa | fiune for you, and how did you kn w that hvec and hvc1 are related? |
| 15:38.45 | jeddi | actually 'hvc1 vlc' |
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| 15:39.00 | SanchoPensa | i see. i use duck duck go |
| 15:39.17 | jeddi | the keywords you mentioned. google knows that hvc1 and hevc are related. |
| 15:39.18 | SanchoPensa | has certain disadvantages at times, i must admit... |
| 15:39.30 | SanchoPensa | mhm. as said, i do not use google |
| 15:40.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | ddg ftw! |
| 15:40.23 | jeddi | SanchoPensa: on duckduckgo I'm seeing 'how to fix' pages within the top 10-15 search results with that same search phrase. |
| 15:40.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | It has no commercials what so ever |
| 15:40.39 | jeddi | SanchoPensa: anyhoo - should work, though it's a ppa (ubuntu) based repo. |
| 15:40.45 | JyZyXEL | the search results are just often complete crap |
| 15:40.53 | JyZyXEL | compared to googles results |
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| 15:41.14 | SanchoPensa | i must admit, that is unfortunately true |
| 15:41.19 | han-solo | does installing liav-tool uninstalls ffmpeg? :/ |
| 15:41.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | han-solo: it will tell you |
| 15:41.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | If it wants to do that, just push no |
| 15:42.34 | SanchoPensa | btw i even saw that twoflower post. that was what got me upgrading vlc in the first place but that didnt fix the issue for me |
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| 15:44.45 | SanchoPensa | oh and my debian says, it has no apt-add-repository command :D |
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| 15:45.54 | han-solo | well, i apt-get install libav-tool and now i cannot find fmpeg :/ |
| 15:45.54 | han-solo | ffmpeg |
| 15:46.18 | SanchoPensa | lol |
| 15:47.50 | SanchoPensa | i really appreciate it, when i have to install like 5 different packages from three different repos in order to play a damned video. yep me really LUUUVS having 75 iDunnoWHatTheHellTHatWasGoodFor repos in my os :D |
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| 15:50.45 | SanchoPensa | plus the repo throws a 404 not found error... ohhhh my... |
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| 15:53.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | What's wrong with http://mpv.io ? |
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| 15:53.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | That's my movie player of choice |
| 15:54.06 | blind | mpv works very well |
| 15:55.30 | blind | I don't add any extra repos. If it's not available, I build it from source. If source isn't available and it's not in the debian repos, I find something else. |
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| 15:56.03 | SanchoPensa | hmmm... |
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| 15:56.20 | SanchoPensa | yes and this codec requires libc6 version greater than 2.14 |
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| 15:57.11 | SanchoPensa | or in other words it requires an os upgrade. maybe the building from source idea isnt such a bad one... geeez.... and all that for a damned documentary on the looney called the donald... |
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| 15:57.19 | SanchoPensa | i think i am gonna skip it! :D |
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| 15:58.00 | SanchoPensa | is that 265 codec gonna be the new standard? is this gonna happen to me more often in the enar future? |
| 15:58.01 | jelly | SanchoPensa: which debian release are you using, debian 8 has glibc 2.19 |
| 15:58.09 | SanchoPensa | 7.9 |
| 15:58.55 | jelly | I can reproduce HEVC in jessie without out-of-distro software |
| 15:59.01 | SanchoPensa | yes i coud upgrade to jessy, i just havent found the nerve yet. for the debugging and all, that usually comes with an os upgrade... |
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| 15:59.30 | SanchoPensa | jelly: good to know. reasons for an upgrade keep piling... |
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| 16:00.02 | Ooze | I hear the Jessie release of apache2 breaks some things and I shouldn't update |
| 16:00.04 | Ooze | Is this true? |
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| 16:00.18 | jelly | Ooze: it breaks everything that going from apache 2.2 to 2.4 breaks, yes |
| 16:00.28 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: Upgrades are easy. Except that Jessie is not, but only if you're doing something with runlevels or have written your own services that need to startup at boot. If you haven't done any of that the jessie upgrade is easy too. Just be sure to follow the release notes. |
| 16:00.45 | karlpinc | Ooze: Oh yeah. I forgot about apache. |
| 16:00.59 | karlpinc | Ooze: But you'll need to upgrade apache eventually. May as well do it now. |
| 16:01.19 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: thakns, bro, but i really cant recall a single os upgrade, that didn't have me debugging afterwards... |
| 16:01.33 | Ooze | breaks in what way? |
| 16:01.38 | karlpinc | Ooze: No reason to put it off. They changed the allow/deny syntax. The transformation is clear, you just have to do the edits. |
| 16:01.46 | SanchoPensa | and nope, i havent been tinkering with runlevels, ever since they switched from sysVinit |
| 16:01.53 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: yah. I know what you mean. |
| 16:01.58 | markybob | Ooze, read the guide. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
| 16:02.19 | jelly | SanchoPensa: you don't have to switch from sysvinit if you don't want to |
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| 16:02.36 | SanchoPensa | jelly: i d0on't? |
| 16:02.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell SanchoPensa about jessie sysvinit |
| 16:02.59 | SanchoPensa | are they carrying through two systems? |
| 16:03.05 | sharkman | im on debian. i just downloaded a telegram package and unzipped it. now i see a Telegram folder with two files inside "Telegram" and "Updater". what do i do now so i can use it? |
| 16:03.18 | karlpinc | jelly: Is there any sense of whether it's continuing to be true that you don't have to switch from sysvinit in the future? I figured systemd was inevitable and decided not to fight city hall. |
| 16:03.27 | jelly | SanchoPensa: no, there's more than two available. The default however has changed. |
| 16:03.33 | blind | sharkman: no instructions on the page you downloaded from? |
| 16:03.51 | SanchoPensa | jelly: i see! and yaks, upstart :D |
| 16:03.55 | jelly | karlpinc: answer hazy |
| 16:03.57 | sharkman | i dont see any blind, https://desktop.telegram.org/ |
| 16:04.23 | karlpinc | jelly: :) Yah. That's what my magic 8 ball says too. |
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| 16:04.36 | jelly | karlpinc: it probably depends on the software you use... eg. you want gnome? It's going to be pain to make every feature available without systemd |
| 16:04.58 | sharkman | oh i see it on another web page now, it says all i do is "./Telegram" to run the binary file |
| 16:05.00 | SanchoPensa | ah... what i thought! :D |
| 16:05.12 | SanchoPensa | being off defaults always comes at a cost... |
| 16:05.20 | karlpinc | jelly: I see. I'd avoid a gui entirely if it weren't for needing a web browser.... |
| 16:05.41 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: i hear ya, bro... |
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| 16:06.11 | jelly | karlpinc: I don't think anyone is going to actively break sysvinit support where it already exists. |
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| 16:06.43 | karlpinc | jelly: It's just that systemd has tendrils everywere. Udev, now cron. Lordy! |
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| 16:09.33 | karlpinc | I wouldn't mind, but it hasn't delivered on it's promises. Ok. I'm supposed to be able to get rid of runlevels. Good. Those are an arbitrary limit. But nobody can tell me how to generate a systemd target that's just like another target, only with a few service units removed and maybe a few added. (Without first invoking the target I want to copy and then enabling/disabling services.) That sounds pretty basic to me. If somebody's |
| 16:09.33 | karlpinc | got an answer I'm all ears. |
| 16:10.14 | teraflops | no it doesnt, you can run just cron as always, nobody forces you to use systemd timers |
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| 16:11.02 | colo-work | hey |
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| 16:11.33 | SanchoPensa | oh gosh... why'd they swap it in the first place? what the heck was wrong about sysVinit? what happened to never fuckign touch a running system? |
| 16:11.33 | jelly | karlpinc: they have piss-poor docs yeah, often the best thing to read is archlinux wiki ;-) |
| 16:11.34 | karlpinc | teraflops: Just an example of my life getting more complicated. Now I can't just look in crontabs any more. (As far as I know. I've not really looked at how systemd timers work.) |
| 16:11.40 | colo-work | if I want to download a resource identified by a magnet link via CLI, what are my options with Jessie? is transmission-cli really the only one? |
| 16:12.02 | jelly | colo-work: rtorrent |
| 16:12.17 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: The underlying design and it's motiviation has appeal. IMO. |
| 16:12.21 | markybob | colo-work, deluge has a cli interface |
| 16:12.23 | teraflops | karlpinc: really? cant you crontab -e? i cant believe it |
| 16:12.56 | SanchoPensa | grub2, systemd, cron, all that, we have word that unfortunately doesnt translate to english, but the sense of it is, to keep improving something, till its finally broken |
| 16:13.05 | colo-work | jelly, markybob - thanks! |
| 16:13.06 | karlpinc | teraflops: Sorry. I'm used to grepping through files. |
| 16:13.20 | SanchoPensa | yeah, except, i wouldn't know how to handle it any longer |
| 16:13.59 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: The word id "mung". As in Mung Until No Good. |
| 16:14.05 | karlpinc | s/id/is |
| 16:14.09 | SanchoPensa | HAHA |
| 16:14.11 | SanchoPensa | i see |
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| 16:14.34 | jelly | karlpinc, teraflops: maybe it's best to keep to tech support in here, instead of arguing design decisions in a software that really has a dozen different components inside |
| 16:14.39 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: Alhough usually with "mung" it's not improving that's being done, it's fixing. |
| 16:15.01 | SanchoPensa | k, i see |
| 16:15.02 | teraflops | jelly: sure im ok with that also tell the same to the other ones |
| 16:15.08 | jelly | I just did. |
| 16:15.15 | karlpinc | jelly: Sorry. (I would really like to know how to copy/modify a target though. |
| 16:15.33 | jelly | karlpinc: ask in #systemd? :-) |
| 16:15.33 | teraflops | yeah tiil I answered ... fair enough |
| 16:15.41 | teraflops | till* |
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| 16:16.02 | SanchoPensa | does anybody know, is that 265 codec be new "state of the art"? meaning, am i gonna encounter that one more frequently in times to come? |
| 16:16.23 | markybob | SanchoPensa, that seems to be where it's headed, yes |
| 16:16.31 | SanchoPensa | shit.. |
| 16:16.32 | jelly | teraflops: not trying to single you out in any way, you two were just easily tabbable |
| 16:16.41 | SanchoPensa | so os upgrade it is... |
| 16:16.43 | karlpinc | jelly: I got no answer. They seemed put off by the question. I'd gotten answers, and more answers and they were very helpful but when I finally solved my problem and asked that as a final question I got no response. And I was exhausted at that point and still am. |
| 16:17.08 | jelly | karlpinc: there's also #debian-systemd on OFTC |
| 16:17.14 | karlpinc | jelly: We were also the ones at fault. |
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| 16:17.25 | SanchoPensa | whats OFTC? |
| 16:17.30 | karlpinc | jelly: Ah. _That's where I was asking. |
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| 16:17.30 | jelly | !OFTC |
| 16:17.30 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 16:17.54 | SanchoPensa | way kewl! thanks |
| 16:18.12 | jelly | SanchoPensa: Debian's official irc server, where most of development and subproject talk goes on |
| 16:18.19 | jelly | irc.debian.org points there |
| 16:18.43 | SanchoPensa | jelly: then that is supposedly, where they want rookies like me to stfu, richt? :D |
| 16:19.00 | karlpinc | It's sorta a shame that there's no way to "merge" this channel and the equalivent on otfc. |
| 16:19.16 | SanchoPensa | but there is |
| 16:19.33 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: Many folks are on both channels, but it's polite to only ask on one or the other. |
| 16:19.35 | SanchoPensa | requires nothing more than an eggdrop |
| 16:20.01 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: (I want it done for me on the server side. :) |
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| 16:20.19 | tharkun | karlpinc: There is a way using a bot that resend data from one to the other. I don't think that is the answear |
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| 16:20.43 | SanchoPensa | tharkun: that is what an eggrop is |
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| 16:20.58 | SanchoPensa | its a script that can connect to more than one channels at a time |
| 16:21.00 | karlpinc | tharkun: The best way is to complain and complain until somebody else is so tired of you they solve your problem. Oh. Wait.... ;-) |
| 16:21.07 | SanchoPensa | botnets n stuff ;) |
| 16:21.17 | SanchoPensa | HAHAHA |
| 16:21.33 | tharkun | SanchoPensa: No, I mean a full blown bot living on a server not some script running on a client. |
| 16:21.46 | SanchoPensa | run the script on the server then :P |
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| 16:22.16 | SanchoPensa | if you can get an irc operator to do it, which i severly doubt... |
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| 16:23.05 | karlpinc | Ok. I shouldn't have started this. Those with ingenious IRC ideas can solve the world's problems on #debian-offtopic. |
| 16:23.05 | stormmore | it doesnât need an ircop to run an eggdrop bot |
| 16:23.17 | han-solo | hey guys, [....] Starting tor (via systemctl): tor.serviceJob for tor.service failed. See 'systemctl status tor.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. failed! |
| 16:23.23 | han-solo | Bug? |
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| 16:25.16 | stormmore | SanchoPensa, I highly doubt the people behind the ircd or the related service daemons to add a feature like that to the systems they run |
| 16:25.58 | SanchoPensa | stormmore: which i already sad above too |
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| 16:27.04 | stormmore | whoops sorry I shouldnât probably talk without finishing my first cup of coffee, that was mean for karipinc |
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| 16:28.38 | han-solo | /quit/qiut |
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| 16:29.58 | jelly | SanchoPensa: not really; there are channels for users and devs there too, it's just many of those channels are very specific |
| 16:30.30 | SanchoPensa | jelly: which is at times really helpful, especially, if you are talking to the folks, who actually BUILT that stuff... |
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| 16:31.20 | SanchoPensa | geez had i a belly ache, when they upgraded that freeradius server to have a conf.d like apache... i'd have been srsly happy about that ionfo back then, so that one is bookmarked! :) |
| 16:31.32 | markybob | SanchoPensa, an awful lot of people who build stuff are in both. i am |
| 16:31.55 | id10t | 'lo all. anyone have their own apt mirror? i'm having some issues, kinda long to c/p but described here - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=126880 |
| 16:33.39 | SanchoPensa | markybob: i see. i always feel like intruding as a noob whn i go to such places, but i will really stfu about the offtopic now :) |
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| 17:04.08 | kc4zvw | in Debian8 what config files setup the default site path of python2? |
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| 17:07.04 | tkeith | When I run DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y dist-upgrade, I still get changelog popping up in less (I have to hit q). How can I do a completely noninteractive upgrade? |
| 17:07.53 | markybob | tkeith, you can remove apt-listchanges |
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| 17:09.15 | tkeith | markybob: I like the feature when I am running upgrades manually, but in some cases I want them to run in the background in scripts, is there not some way to disable this on a case-by-case basis? |
| 17:10.55 | diocles | tkeith: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47972/disable-apt-listchanges-and-other-interactive-stuff-during-upgrades-reliably |
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| 17:12.58 | karlpinc | Ugh. What's the bot command to check for backport build dependencies? |
| 17:14.23 | markybob | karlpinc, checkbackport |
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| 17:15.31 | karlpinc | markybob: Thanks. (What bot?) |
| 17:15.53 | markybob | karlpinc, /msg judd checkbackport package |
| 17:15.59 | karlpinc | markybob: Thanks. |
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| 17:35.38 | cdb23axv | hello i have installed debian netinstall without internet connection and now i have internet connection but i cant use the packet manager apt |
| 17:36.05 | cdb23axv | what o i need to adept that i can install programms in debian? its only a minimal install without gui |
| 17:36.24 | colo-work | you can't (successfully) complete a netinstall without a proper debian mirror... |
| 17:36.48 | dashs | Cannot run remote shell from debian 8 to debian 8 system -- auth.log says password accepted and session number opened -- no command is executed. |
| 17:37.07 | petemc | !debug sshd |
| 17:37.07 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
| 17:37.10 | cdb23axv | i have edited the sources.list enabled the debian mirrors and uncommented the cdrom lines |
| 17:37.30 | cdb23axv | did a apt-get upgrade and apt-get update and rebooted |
| 17:37.40 | abrotman | colo-work: yes, you can |
| 17:37.42 | cdb23axv | but it simply cant find any packets |
| 17:37.54 | cdb23axv | not even simple apt-get install apache2 |
| 17:37.58 | abrotman | cdb23axv: is it able to successfully update? |
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| 17:38.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cdb23axv about jessie sources.list |
| 17:38.05 | cdb23axv | yes |
| 17:38.13 | abrotman | you probably didn't add the main source line |
| 17:38.13 | colo-work | abrotman, hmm, really? |
| 17:38.17 | abrotman | colo-work: yes, really |
| 17:38.19 | zykotick9 | cdb23axv: note, if you installed without internet, you won't have the main repo in your sources.list... |
| 17:38.22 | colo-work | very interesting. sorry for spreading bs 8) |
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| 17:38.31 | abrotman | colo-work: perhaps you mean the bizcard? (not sure that's still around) |
| 17:38.31 | cdb23axv | my sources list has 3 lines and i added contrib non-free |
| 17:38.40 | abrotman | cdb23axv: see what the bot told you |
| 17:38.41 | colo-work | abrotman, maybe. and I think it is. |
| 17:38.52 | colo-work | (still around) |
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| 17:40.04 | cdb23axv | what do i have to do after netinstall without network? |
| 17:40.19 | cdb23axv | it said it will leave me back with a minimal installation only |
| 17:41.16 | cdb23axv | my main problem is that i need to use pppoe to connect to the internet. so i did the minimal install then copied the .deb packages for pppoe to my usb stick and installed it with dpkg -i |
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| 17:41.43 | ani19490 | linux /vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64, it mean grub search ramfs in / or /boot ? |
| 17:42.12 | grawity | in /boot |
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| 17:43.05 | ani19490 | thx |
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| 17:49.49 | jhutchins | ani19490: Randomly deleting files is probably not going to do what you want to do. |
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| 17:51.21 | ani19490 | i whant disable lvm search, now system in boot loop |
| 17:51.37 | ani19490 | if i can load in system, i run initram-tools -u |
| 17:51.41 | ani19490 | but i can |
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| 17:51.54 | ani19490 | but i can't* |
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| 17:55.40 | kc4zvw | Having gnome terminal dying with error 8 and have try setting locale/reboot several times |
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| 17:57.07 | Amun_Ra | ,v apt-transport-https |
| 17:57.08 | judd | Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.2; sid: 1.2.1; stretch: 1.2.1 |
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| 17:57.18 | rsync | Our Family is strong! |
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| 17:58.47 | teraflops | kc4zvw: are you saying that your locales are broken? |
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| 17:59.25 | kc4zvw | teraflops: should not be yet gnome-terminal dies |
| 18:00.26 | teraflops | kc4zvw: how do you infer it's a locale issue from that "error 8"? |
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| 18:01.44 | balance | hi |
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| 18:02.37 | chele | ,v 0ad |
| 18:02.38 | judd | Package: 0ad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0~r11863-2; wheezy-backports: 0.0.17-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.0.17-1; jessie-backports: 0.0.19-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.0.19-1; stretch: 0.0.19-1 |
| 18:02.54 | balance | if I do sudo chown foo:bar file I don't get an error but the ownership and group of the file stay the same, why? |
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| 18:02.56 | kc4zvw | teraflops: When I run 'gnome-terminal' in a xterm session I get an error |
| 18:03.00 | BoF | #ubuntu |
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| 18:03.58 | teraflops | kc4zvw: you mean you have no DE no WM just startx with exec xterm in ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 18:04.40 | zykotick9 | balance: is the file on a fat or ntfs filesystem? one reason for it not working... there are others ;) good luck. |
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| 18:05.09 | balance | zykotick9, yeah, it's mounted/shared vbox feature |
| 18:05.22 | kc4zvw | I am running gnome just fine and have a chat clint and a browser work but gnome-termnal dies upon trying to launch |
| 18:05.37 | zykotick9 | balance: ya, i've never touched that... so have no clue. good luck. |
| 18:06.14 | balance | zykotick9, thanks :P |
| 18:06.24 | teraflops | kc4zvw: ah ok. |
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| 18:07.35 | teraflops | kc4zvw: how do you start gnome? |
| 18:07.45 | jhutchins | kc4zvw: What the actual error is might be significant. |
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| 18:08.25 | teraflops | i just can find exited with status 8 but nothing about error 8 |
| 18:08.28 | karlpinc | I don't get it. packages.debian.org says libgdata19 is in sid, but /msg judd versions libgdata19 does not know about the package in sid. ?? |
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| 18:09.00 | kc4zvw | teraflops: teraflops that the error I am getting |
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| 18:09.21 | teraflops | kc4zvw: please share the exact error ;P |
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| 18:09.44 | kc4zvw | Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 8 |
| 18:10.19 | teraflops | kc4zvw: thanks ;) |
| 18:11.40 | kc4zvw | teraflops: gnome is started with 'gdm' I would guess as I login graphical |
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| 18:13.05 | teraflops | kc4zvw: what does it say locale command there? |
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| 18:13.29 | teraflops | kc4zvw: also yo dont have third party repos right? |
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| 18:14.13 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I might still have a couple of third party repos still |
| 18:14.21 | teraflops | ..also didnt you apt-get upgrade (with some gnome things in the upgrade) and didnt reboot? |
| 18:14.26 | teraflops | kc4zvw: ah :S |
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| 18:14.45 | teraflops | kc4zvw: i cannot help with that i guess |
| 18:15.30 | teraflops | maybe plaste your /etc/apt/sources.list and any snippet in sources.list.d/ but if it's related to 3rd party repos i have no idea |
| 18:15.37 | teraflops | paste* |
| 18:16.30 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I have reboot several times and the locale is supposed to be LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 18:17.40 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I will do the paste in a minute |
| 18:18.00 | teraflops | kc4zvw: ok |
| 18:18.19 | teraflops | kc4zvw: also paste the output of `locale` |
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| 18:19.09 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I have not done a dist-upgrade lately ... did in past and most stuff was still working :-) |
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| 18:43.48 | kc4zvw | teraflops: http://pastebin.com/zr2N0g3R |
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| 18:48.36 | kc4zvw | teraflops: http://pastebin.com/smjkgzUg |
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| 18:50.49 | enoch85 | hi guys... A few days ago I noticed that one of my servers where down due to some internal error in apache. I corrected the error and at the same time I also updated the certs files on the server with some brand new wildcard certs. Now when I try to access the site it complains about that the certs are invalid. I tripple checked everything, and the settings are correct afaik: http://pastebin.com/8nTHm217 |
| 18:50.52 | teraflops | kc4zvw: http://debian.gtisc.gatech.edu/debian/ is juts a mirror? |
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| 18:50.56 | teraflops | just* |
| 18:50.56 | enoch85 | Have I missed something? |
| 18:51.27 | enoch85 | the address are https://owncloudphp7.techandme.se |
| 18:51.31 | teraflops | kc4zvw: also why do you have deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free at the bottom? |
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| 18:52.18 | teraflops | and deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 18:52.27 | teraflops | sorry paste fail :S |
| 18:52.38 | teraflops | and deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main at the top?* |
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| 18:54.57 | kc4zvw | teraflops: my source.list file has probably migrated though three major upgrades so it might be a little sloppy ... |
| 18:55.02 | teraflops | kc4zvw: apart from that, in a couple of jessie boxes here i have LC_CTYPE="mylocale" instead of =C |
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| 18:55.40 | teraflops | kc4zvw: about http://debian.gtisc.gatech.edu/debian/, is it just a mirror? |
| 18:56.31 | kc4zvw | where can I find a 'cleaner' version of this file and I archive my legacy version |
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| 18:57.36 | kc4zvw | gatech is the mirror closes to there I am located |
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| 18:59.25 | teraflops | kc4zvw: ah ok, then you have duplicated mirrors but I dont think is why youre getting issues with gnome-terminal |
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| 19:01.54 | gustavohmsilva | hi guys |
| 19:02.08 | teraflops | kc4zvw: how did you generated locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 19:02.40 | teraflops | generate* |
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| 19:02.55 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I don't remember running that recently |
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| 19:03.31 | teraflops | kc4zvw: you said up in the buffer you changed locales several times? |
| 19:03.53 | kc4zvw | I do run apt-get update/upgrade about weekly |
| 19:04.06 | teraflops | you said: try setting locale/reboot several times |
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| 19:04.50 | gustavohmsilva | Does anyone here has any experience with LTFS and LTO-5 storage? |
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| 19:05.35 | teraflops | kc4zvw: i guess it worths give a try to dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:06.05 | kc4zvw | teraflops: from a web search I found link for running localectl set-locale LANG="en_US.UTF-8" for status 8 error |
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| 19:06.15 | teraflops | kc4zvw: it's the same |
| 19:06.24 | teraflops | kc4zvw: just do it the debian way |
| 19:06.35 | gustavohmsilva | I'm thinking about migrating a windows 2008 backup server to debian, but it seems that the LTFS drivers are only available for red hat. |
| 19:06.47 | teraflops | kc4zvw: whatever suits you yeah i meant that |
| 19:07.02 | gustavohmsilva | And I'm not really into paying for RHEL, not even a little bit |
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| 19:08.30 | kc4zvw | teraflops: whatever way would cause less hair loss .... today! |
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| 19:09.16 | teraflops | heh |
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| 19:10.51 | teraflops | kc4zvw: it's just wonder how will look the LC_CTYPE=C after re-generating locales |
| 19:10.58 | teraflops | I wonder* |
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| 19:12.23 | jhutchins | gustavohmsilva: Which LTFS implementation? |
| 19:12.52 | gustavohmsilva | IBM LTFS SDE |
| 19:13.07 | jhutchins | gustavohmsilva: You should be able to compile that on Debian. |
| 19:13.08 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I just ran the 'debian' way |
| 19:13.51 | jhutchins | gustavohmsilva: https://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/STQNYL/com.ibm.storage.hollywood.doc/ltfs_reference_download_tools_linux.html |
| 19:13.59 | teraflops | then reboot or or at least re login into gnome |
| 19:14.09 | gustavohmsilva | let me check this out. |
| 19:14.49 | jhutchins | gustavohmsilva: Most of the ltfs related sofware was developed on large systems running anything BUT Windows. |
| 19:15.08 | enoch85 | in addition to my previous pastebin (--^) here are the nginx error.log: http://pastebin.com/2hCUf0K5 |
| 19:15.18 | kc4zvw | teraflops: ok .. brb |
| 19:15.34 | gustavohmsilva | LoL, idk why Debian is so not business oriented or something... why couldn't they add to their repo a precompiled version? |
| 19:16.40 | gustavohmsilva | could you see any problem with the required software packages? https://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/STQNYL/com.ibm.storage.hollywood.doc/ltfs_installing_preparation_software_rhl.html |
| 19:17.15 | greycat | gustavohmsilva: what problems did YOU encounter when YOU tried to build it on Debian? |
| 19:17.39 | greycat | Don't make us all learn a new thing and reverse engineer an IBM web page just to save you the hassle of having to think |
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| 19:18.54 | jhutchins | gustavohmsilva: It does look pretty RH oriented, but they should have source available. |
| 19:19.19 | jhutchins | gustavohmsilva: Linux has native tape handling utilities, but those probably use a different format for the tape. |
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| 19:21.01 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I logon brings no joy ... still same error |
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| 19:22.18 | teraflops | hmm |
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| 19:23.58 | kc4zvw | teraflops: there are two known broken quirk on this install of Debian8 -- python2 is broken as somehow cannot find dis- site packeges and some weird disk memory error in /tmp |
| 19:25.03 | teraflops | kc4zvw: wow |
| 19:25.50 | teraflops | kc4zvw: did gnome-terminal ever work there? |
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| 19:27.06 | teraflops | kc4zvw: anyway you should fix your sources.list and see whay python is borked for sure |
| 19:27.14 | teraflops | why* |
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| 19:27.33 | greycat | I'd start with "/tmp is broken", as that probably causes a lot of other issues.... |
| 19:27.51 | teraflops | greycat: broken maybe full |
| 19:28.02 | greycat | It would be helpful to know what the actual problem is, for sure. |
| 19:28.26 | exio4 | is there any known fix (assuming it's not an error on my side) for this link error? http://dpaste.com/0QVFF40 yaml-cpp seems to be broken in (my?) Debian |
| 19:28.37 | kc4zvw | yes .. it was working yesterday |
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| 19:30.00 | kc4zvw | teraflops: should I remove the standard or gatech entries |
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| 19:31.47 | exio4 | the paste includes a test case for this, too, so if anyone can reproduce it, it'd be appreciated :) |
| 19:31.54 | Endie | hi all! |
| 19:31.56 | kc4zvw | teraflops: apache2 4362 www-data 9u REG 254,4 0 18 /tmp/.ZendSem.pBSo35 (deleted) ... If I run 'lsof /tmp' |
| 19:32.35 | greycat | kc4zvw: so? |
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| 19:33.25 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I have a half dozen entries for apache and mysql and also several dozen for gnome-terminal if it would run |
| 19:33.33 | greycat | Based on the name, it looks like it's from a PHP/Zend thingy. What do you believe is the problem? |
| 19:34.11 | teraflops | kc4zvw: is /tmp full? just look at df -h |
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| 19:34.37 | kc4zvw | greycat: if gnome-terminal would run for a month then all disk space of /tmp would be gone ... prompting a reboot |
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| 19:35.00 | greycat | Well, that has nothing to do with Apache/Zend/PHP having a temp file open. |
| 19:35.25 | kc4zvw | teraflops: /dev/mapper/opus4-tmp 368M 11M 339M 3% /tmp |
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| 19:35.29 | teraflops | kc4zvw: also can you remember something you did in the system yesterday /before/ gnome-terminal stopped working |
| 19:35.40 | teraflops | kc4zvw: yeah not the issue then |
| 19:35.41 | kc4zvw | teraflops: a reboot |
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| 19:37.12 | kc4zvw | teraflops: but I need to do a reboot (or at least a logout) about twice a month as /tmp fills up from gnome-terminal running |
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| 19:38.28 | kc4zvw | the entries are marked as (deleted) but stay around until the parent pid is killed! |
| 19:38.41 | greycat | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/138607 |
| 19:38.45 | greycat | first google result I found |
| 19:39.29 | teraflops | kc4zvw: well I have no idea :S |
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| 19:41.19 | kc4zvw | teraflops: ii gnome-terminal 3.14.1-1+deb8u1 i386 GNOME terminal emulator application |
| 19:41.38 | kc4zvw | greycat: I am running a much later version |
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| 19:42.21 | greycat | *shrug* I just said it was the first answer. Didn't look for confirmations, fixes, workarounds, etc. |
| 19:42.24 | teraflops | kc4zvw: it's the right version yeah |
| 19:42.29 | greycat | The bug could still exist 9 years later. |
| 19:42.42 | MrVandelay | Hi. I want to set i3 to be my default window manager but update-alternatives --config x-session-manager doesn't give me the option of using it, or nothing at all |
| 19:42.50 | MrVandelay | I don't want a desktop environment |
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| 19:43.22 | MrVandelay | Coming from BSD I'm unfamiliar with the update-alternatives route of doing things |
| 19:43.31 | MrVandelay | I typically just use .xinitrc |
| 19:43.56 | greycat | If you're willing to give up big shiny horrible things, you can just use startx or xdm (NOT lightdm, gdm3, etc.) and put the i3 invocation line in ~/.xsession and voila. |
| 19:44.08 | greycat | Nobody knows how to do it with the other *dm packages. |
| 19:44.17 | teraflops | kc4zvw: did you try gnome-terminal with a fresh user instead your user, I mean creating a new user and login into gnome |
| 19:44.30 | MrVandelay | greycat: What's the big shiny horrible things? :-) |
| 19:44.57 | MrVandelay | greycat: X to me is just tmux with image and video support |
| 19:45.05 | greycat | lightdm, gdm3, etc. The *dm packages with no documentation on how to make them do what you want. |
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| 19:45.20 | MrVandelay | greycat: Aye, I don't care for those |
| 19:45.42 | MrVandelay | greycat: Is there a magic command to go back to .xinitrc? |
| 19:45.51 | greycat | ln -s .xinitrc ~/.xsession |
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| 19:46.37 | MrVandelay | greycat: That's it? Sweet. I'll try it out |
| 19:46.39 | SunOS | hello |
| 19:47.55 | MrVandelay | greycat: Oh that worked excellently, thank you very much! Why is .xinitrc -> .xsession all of a sudden? |
| 19:47.58 | kc4zvw | teraflops: I realize this box is older (P4) with a small HD but it ran wheezy real well (thanks for your time) |
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| 19:48.24 | teraflops | MrVandelay: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager not x-session-manager |
| 19:48.27 | greycat | MrVandelay: it was a thing Debian decided to standardize on about 5-10 years ago. Then all of these new crappy *dm packages came along and broke everything. |
| 19:48.52 | greycat | ~/.xsession is Debian's unified user configuration file for xdm and startx. |
| 19:48.52 | apt | ...but /.xsession is already something else... |
| 19:48.55 | MrVandelay | teraflops: That still invokes the session manager however |
| 19:49.01 | teraflops | kc4zvw: np sad I didnt help |
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| 19:49.33 | MrVandelay | greycat: Oh. I've been absent from the *nix world for about a decade so that sounds about right. And even back then I was using openbsd |
| 19:51.33 | teraflops | MrVandelay: then if you create a ~/.xinitrc file does it get priority over the alternatives system? |
| 19:51.43 | greycat | If you use xdm or startx, yes, it does. |
| 19:52.12 | teraflops | greycat: so since he dont want DM just startx I cannot see the issue |
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| 19:53.31 | greycat | The issue was that he didn't know he could just use .xsession / .xinitrc. He thought he *had* to do this update-alternatives thing. |
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| 19:53.47 | teraflops | ah ok |
| 19:54.40 | teraflops | lightdm and gdm sources ~/.xprofile |
| 19:54.50 | greycat | Where is that documented? |
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| 19:54.59 | teraflops | idk but they do |
| 19:54.59 | balance | anyone in here can recommend a lightweight notebook on which debian runs good? |
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| 19:55.22 | MrVandelay | Aye. I've been out of commission for a decade, literally. Prior to that I used BSD so I'm not very familiar with the GNU way of doing things |
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| 19:55.41 | greycat | update-alternatives is pure Debian, not GNU in general |
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| 19:56.28 | blind | balance: I went and bought a used macbook air to install debian on. runs like a champ, everything worked out of the box (I did need to feed it the wifi driver during install, but that's trivial) |
| 19:56.48 | balance | blind that was an idea I had |
| 19:57.06 | blind | I couldn't find another laptop that was as small that wasn't a POS |
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| 19:58.56 | balance | blind pos? |
| 19:59.15 | blind | piece of... garbage :) |
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| 20:00.21 | balance | blind :P |
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| 20:01.59 | MrVandelay | greycat: Oh. |
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| 20:02.18 | MrVandelay | greycat: I thought Debian was considered the gold standard among linux distributions these days |
| 20:02.29 | MrVandelay | greycat: setting the rules and what not |
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| 20:02.35 | gustavohmsilva | in my opinion, it is |
| 20:02.37 | greycat | There is no single standard. |
| 20:02.45 | MrVandelay | I know there isn't officially |
| 20:02.53 | MrVandelay | I typically run Arch or Void |
| 20:03.06 | MrVandelay | But unofficially I hear either Debian or RedHat/CentOS |
| 20:03.36 | blind | Depends on who you ask :p |
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| 20:03.47 | MrVandelay | I just meant the community generalized |
| 20:04.02 | MrVandelay | There are of course people with their preferences |
| 20:04.14 | mutante | it wins because it does all this without a commercial company behind it, which is pretty amazing |
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| 20:04.46 | MrVandelay | I am a huge fan of Arch Linux. But even as I have learned the differences with systemd (which are large, and becoming larger) and even though systemd works well from a functionality standpoint. I'm getting very tired of it |
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| 20:05.12 | MrVandelay | Hence moving to Void Linux. Void's package manager is basically pacman, but they don't use systemd |
| 20:05.14 | greycat | Debian 8 uses systemd by default. It's not going away. |
| 20:05.30 | MrVandelay | Aye |
| 20:05.43 | MrVandelay | Well, It might go away in the future. If someone decides to create something better |
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| 20:06.17 | MrVandelay | But sorry, I didn't intend to spark a systemd debate |
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| 20:08.38 | zykotick9 | i currently start a clock for dwm using .xinitrc. If i move .xinitrc to .xsession, the clock is not being run - other things are. "man xsession" includes "See the manual page for xinit for tips on writing an .xsession file." what i find in "man xinit" is tips for writting .xinitrc file? |
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| 20:09.53 | greycat | zykotick9: your attempt to reverse engineer dwm is appreciated. If you figure out how to configure dwm, teach dpkg so we can share your results with future askers. |
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| 20:17.39 | gustavohmsilva | hi again guys |
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| 20:17.55 | benycze | Hi all .. I have one question. I have a laptop-mode-tools and systemd on my debian jessie. I have a problem with hdparm configuration after wake-up from hibernation or suspend. The value is totally different (128) and it should be 157. I was trying to change the line in /lib/udev/rules.d/99-laptop-mode.rules from |
| 20:17.55 | benycze | ACTION=="change", SUBSYSTEM=="power_supply", RUN+="lmt-udev auto" |
| 20:17.55 | benycze | to |
| 20:17.55 | benycze | ACTION=="change", SUBSYSTEM=="power_supply", RUN+="lmt-udev auto force". This configuration should reload the config from the /etc/laptop-mode/. |
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| 20:18.14 | gustavohmsilva | I've just installed debian on my server and my RAID card from areca was recognized automatically, which is perfect |
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| 20:18.32 | benycze | have you ever had such problem? |
| 20:18.53 | gustavohmsilva | unfortunately my other SAS card (non raid) was listed in lspci but not my two LTO-5 external drives installed on them... |
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| 20:19.42 | gustavohmsilva | so I installed the driver from the areca website and rebooted (just in cad) but it seems my lspci still doesn't show any of the two LTO-5 drives... :( |
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| 20:20.00 | greycat | Are they SCSI? Why do you expect them to appear in lspci? |
| 20:20.17 | tharkun | Here is the deal, I have an embeded windows xp machine which has a scale attached to it. Having windows or having nothing at all is the same for us. I am trying to revive this machines in order to have some use for them. What information can I get from windows that can serve me put debian on them. So far I know it is a celeron procesor with nearly 1Gb ram and and some fancy hardware attach to it. |
| 20:20.18 | greycat | lspci is for PCI bus devices |
| 20:20.21 | gustavohmsilva | dunno, now that you've asked I just fell really stupid |
| 20:20.27 | gustavohmsilva | ls PCI right? |
| 20:20.29 | gustavohmsilva | lmfao |
| 20:20.34 | greycat | SCSI tape drives are /dev/st0 /dev/st1 etc. |
| 20:20.39 | greycat | I don't know about non-SCSI tapes. |
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| 20:22.05 | gustavohmsilva | yes... I've listed the dev for st drives and got some weird things.... even with NO tape in them, I've got st0, st0a, st0m, st1, st1a and st1m... |
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| 20:22.18 | gustavohmsilva | dunno why the A and M terminations through... |
| 20:22.43 | greycat | The presence or absence of a tape in the drive does not affect the device nodes by which you can open the drive. |
| 20:22.47 | greycat | They are not partitions. |
| 20:23.10 | gustavohmsilva | so, nothing to do with SDD1,2,3 right... ok... |
| 20:23.42 | greycat | "man 4 st" has some more information about the device nodes |
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| 20:23.50 | gustavohmsilva | jays, and I didn't even try to recompile the IBM LTFS software... I'm f#$ |
| 20:24.27 | gustavohmsilva | Yes, I'm still learning about man... I've started studying for the CompTIA tests like 2weeks ago... |
| 20:25.32 | gustavohmsilva | probably not the necessary know how to put this beast to work right? it's a 24 disks RAID60 with two LTFS tape drives backing up content every 7 days |
| 20:25.59 | greycat | I've never even *heard* of LTFS until today. |
| 20:26.30 | gustavohmsilva | seriously? Man, it is perfect, it was the best part of this server (when running on windows and things actually working lol) |
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| 20:28.23 | gustavohmsilva | Linear tape file system is a "filesystem" the provide direct access to LTO-5 and LTO-6 tapes without needing a proprietary software... Since it work in mac, win and linux, it's a pretty big deal, since people usually get stuck with the software they started to work with |
| 20:29.15 | greycat | I don't understand that. Since when are tar, cpio, etc. considered "proprietary software"? |
| 20:29.17 | Quatroking | does anybody know of a Synergy alternative that works between windows and debian? |
| 20:29.18 | gustavohmsilva | The problem is server that I'm using came with a pre-installed windows 2008 system, which I HATE from the bottom of my heart, because when two people are uploading content at the same time to the RAID60, he just crash |
| 20:29.23 | gustavohmsilva | EVERY TIME |
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| 20:29.59 | gustavohmsilva | sorry greycat, visually easy to use GUI proprietary software |
| 20:30.14 | greycat | confused. |
| 20:30.31 | benycze | Hi all. I have a problem with APM settings of my sda after wake-up from the hibernation. The value of APM is default 128 instead of 157. My version of debian is 8.3 jessie. Have you ever had similar problem? |
| 20:30.41 | markybob | i'm confused as well. wikipedia didn't help |
| 20:30.42 | greycat | Stick tape in drive. Use tar (or pax, cpio, star, whatever) to write data to tape. Remove tape. Store in closet. |
| 20:30.50 | benycze | I have laptop-mode-tools installed on my computer |
| 20:30.50 | Quatroking | I've tried like 5 different versions of synergy so far and either copypaste doesn't work, shift doesn't register or it blocks the media keys on the server. |
| 20:30.52 | gustavohmsilva | for a video editing company, teaching linux command line tools and ssh to a bunch of video editors is very complicated. |
| 20:31.08 | markybob | oh so it's for dumbasses :P |
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| 20:31.25 | gustavohmsilva | basically |
| 20:31.57 | gustavohmsilva | I'm one as well, but at least I'm trying to learn more... Thats why I also manage the servers... |
| 20:32.49 | OmegaPhil | I'm currently looking into how to set LD_PRELOAD system-wide, best advice I've had so far is '/etc/environment', which seems to work fine for a normal env variable but not LD_PRELOAD |
| 20:32.50 | gustavohmsilva | which was a CentOS Aspera Server, a pfsense firewall and load balance for 4 internet connections and a windows server running backups. |
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| 20:33.19 | OmegaPhil | I'm using Debian Testing with lightdm and XFCE4 - I excpet shells and other GUI programs to inherit LD_PRELOAD from /etc/environment |
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| 20:33.43 | OmegaPhil | Does Debian fiddle with this environment variable in some way in between pam_env and a launched desktop environment? |
| 20:33.46 | markybob | OmegaPhil, per /topic testing support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:33.54 | OmegaPhil | kk |
| 20:34.12 | markybob | OmegaPhil, and take that status thing away. that's really annoying |
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| 20:34.51 | khazakar | I want to make router with server on Debian and one client on NBD device :P |
| 20:34.54 | OmegaPhil | Done (shoudlve already been off). |
| 20:34.58 | khazakar | like NBD device* |
| 20:35.48 | OmegaPhil | Oh, different server... |
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| 20:36.10 | markybob | OmegaPhil, correct. oftc is the official support server |
| 20:36.14 | gustavohmsilva | PS, graycat, I also didn't hear of tar and cpio with tapes before... |
| 20:36.16 | khazakar | Possible on Debian :D |
| 20:36.48 | greycat | OmegaPhil: LD_PRELOAD=moretest in /etc/environment on jessie gives me 4 lines of errors on a console login, so it's definitely being read. |
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| 20:37.28 | OmegaPhil | THanks, something is wiping it out by the time XFCE4 is finished. |
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| 20:37.50 | OmegaPhil | moves to the other channel |
| 20:37.51 | greycat | OmegaPhil: perhaps some program in your session-chain is stripping it out as a security measure. You could try something like ps xwwef to try to find out where it's being dropped, if that's the case. |
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| 20:51.03 | aario | Hi Folks, Anyone ever used headphone in debian jessie? Is it working? |
| 20:51.34 | jhutchins | sjk: Usually those get generated during use, not something users need to mess with. |
| 20:51.38 | OmegaPhil | greycat: As you're not on the other channel, thanks - thats a great command. Looks like lightdm is stripping this env vriable |
| 20:52.43 | jhutchins | aario: Lots of variables there. I use headphones that plug into the volume control for my speakers. |
| 20:52.55 | jhutchins | aario: What kind of headphones? Are you having a problem? |
| 20:53.19 | aario | Hi |
| 20:53.25 | aario | I have problem with headphone not playing |
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| 20:53.28 | aario | speaker plays |
| 20:53.46 | aario | when I plug headphone speakers mute so auto mute still works and detects headphone |
| 20:53.55 | aario | tried all volumes in alsamixer and no luck |
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| 20:55.33 | markybob | aario, works here. are you using pulseaudio? |
| 20:55.41 | aario | yes |
| 20:55.46 | mizudomo | anybody know abot python here? |
| 20:55.59 | aario | I hate pulse and I avoid that. But unfortunately some software depends on it. |
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| 20:56.02 | markybob | aario, pavucontrol might help. that's what one should use for pulse. not alsamixer |
| 20:56.16 | aario | I also tried pavucontrol |
| 20:56.16 | jhutchins | mizudomo: I'll bet someone in #python does. |
| 20:56.16 | aario | no luck |
| 20:56.36 | mizudomo | yeah it's pretty sparse/quiet there |
| 20:56.41 | greycat | if it's about installing python, #debian is the place... if it's about writing python programs, #python is the place |
| 20:56.41 | jhutchins | aario: You could try removing pulseaudio. |
| 20:57.00 | mizudomo | well...it's actually about "setuptools" |
| 20:57.08 | aario | ok... |
| 20:57.12 | mizudomo | something needed to get a specific library for py |
| 20:57.16 | aario | if it's the only option I will do that |
| 20:57.17 | markybob | mizudomo, yeah go to #python |
| 20:57.27 | mizudomo | k, ty |
| 20:57.29 | aario | but is there a way to make pulseaudio really work?! |
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| 20:58.19 | awal1 | aario: have you killed pulseaudio and restarted it yet? |
| 20:58.26 | aario | yes |
| 20:58.31 | aario | also restarted my laptop |
| 20:58.40 | aario | it's asus eee pc 1015px |
| 20:58.52 | aario | speakers work |
| 20:58.55 | aario | automute works |
| 20:58.59 | aario | headphones not |
| 20:59.08 | aario | pauv and alsamixer also tried |
| 20:59.37 | mizudomo | now that im here, here's a general Chat question: |
| 20:59.54 | mizudomo | it says "python-unregistered" and it seems im not allowed to type in the chat |
| 21:00.14 | mizudomo | guess thats more of a statement than question |
| 21:00.31 | greycat | Usually that means the channel only accepts registered Freenode users. |
| 21:00.37 | greycat | /msg nickserv help |
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| 21:00.55 | awal1 | aario: try playing again with pavucontrol, check all the settings closely |
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| 21:01.09 | awal1 | your solution should be there |
| 21:01.15 | mizudomo | -_- |
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| 21:01.26 | awal1 | or try another tool, like qasmixer |
| 21:01.30 | aario | on pauvcontrol it shows vlc is playing |
| 21:01.39 | mizudomo | i dont use this very often, should i just type that in my lil box here? |
| 21:01.41 | aario | when I select output as "Analog output" |
| 21:01.43 | aario | it plays |
| 21:01.49 | aario | when I select headphone it doesn't |
| 21:02.09 | markybob | mizudomo, yes. it'll tell you how to register so you can join |
| 21:02.28 | mizudomo | cools, thanks |
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| 21:05.53 | jhutchins | aario: That makes sense, it has no idea what you plug into the jack, it just knows it's analog. |
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| 21:06.40 | jhutchins | One of my systems wouldn't play anything out of the rear jacks, but the front worked great. |
| 21:06.55 | aario | to be honest |
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| 21:07.05 | aario | when it comes to sound |
| 21:07.16 | aario | it's all random for me |
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| 21:07.28 | aario | some distros some hardware sometimes |
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| 21:07.34 | aario | works / doesn't work |
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| 21:07.59 | jhutchins | Yep. If they'd implement the hardware consistently it'd be great. |
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| 21:08.50 | aario | my alsamixer: |
| 21:08.51 | aario | http://pastebin.com/gb1n5Pp2 |
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| 21:09.17 | markybob | mizudomo, i wrote much of deluge in python. i'm willing to help just waiting for you to join #python |
| 21:10.24 | awal1 | aario, in pavu configuration tab I have profil set to 'stereo analog duplex' and in output devices tab 'speakers' as my port, and so I have sound no matters if i plug headphones, external speakers or if I use the internal ones |
| 21:10.29 | mizudomo | oi hay, |
| 21:10.39 | mizudomo | ya thanks im, um, omw haha |
| 21:10.42 | mizudomo | running around too |
| 21:11.16 | awal1 | no problems with usb headphones/external speakers at all |
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| 21:12.10 | aario | awall: you mean you gave up using your internal soundcard? |
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| 21:13.06 | aario | rebooting my machine after deporting pulseaudio gang members! |
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| 21:23.50 | aario | purging pulseaudio didn't fix my problem with headphone jack. Maybe a kernel bug |
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| 21:23.58 | aario | Now I'm trying to install unstable kernel |
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| 21:24.46 | awal1 | sid kernel under jessie? |
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| 21:25.55 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 21:25.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 21:26.13 | greycat | jessie-backports version is basically the same as sid's |
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| 21:30.05 | aario | greycat I'm thinking of trying backports instead of unstable |
| 21:30.19 | aario | because unstable repo wants to upgrade the hell out of my system |
| 21:30.22 | aario | which I don't want |
| 21:30.57 | greycat | Excellent. |
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| 21:31.58 | Tamsiaplaukis | Hello. I am useing debian and I have a problem connecting to freenode IRC. I can connect, but if I stay idle for about 5 minutes I am disconnected with message "connection reset by peer". If someone could help I would be really thankful |
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| 21:33.36 | aario | Tamsiaplaukis please more details: did you check internet connection on debian? Which irc software are you using there? Are you now on debian? if so which irc software? |
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| 21:35.20 | Tamsiaplaukis | I am on debian (jessie) now. Internet is good, I am on 3 different IRC networks and have problem only with feenode. I have tried xchat and znc, but both of them disconnects after couples of idle minutes |
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| 21:36.04 | tasaif | hi I have a question I posted in #cmake but I somehow don't think anyone will get around to answering my question |
| 21:36.19 | tasaif | est ein aqui: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cba287594a2f7ee24c45 |
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| 21:36.45 | teraflops | Tamsiaplaukis: it sounds youre sharing torrents, youre under a weak wifi connection or just your connection is just crap |
| 21:36.59 | teraflops | s/just// |
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| 21:37.52 | Tamsiaplaukis | I am on wire connection and torrent software is off. Internet speed is:download 95Mb/s, upload 20Mb/s and ping is approx 19ms |
| 21:38.11 | teraflops | Tamsiaplaukis: then it's werid |
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| 21:39.00 | Tamsiaplaukis | I was getting ident requests from freenode blocked before, but now I have setup oidentd ( thought it would help), but no luck |
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| 21:40.19 | teraflops | Tamsiaplaukis: do you see something related to the ethernet connection or the nic in dmesg or logs? |
| 21:40.44 | Tamsiaplaukis | tried changing IRC server and ports for freenode, but no luck as well |
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| 21:42.40 | Tamsiaplaukis | I m new to linux. I was looking at logs, but could not see the probable cause |
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| 21:43.18 | Tamsiaplaukis | Maybe I need to open some incoming port in iptables? |
| 21:43.32 | teraflops | nope |
| 21:43.41 | teraflops | Tamsiaplaukis: are you runing a firewall? |
| 21:43.45 | teraflops | running* |
| 21:43.48 | Tamsiaplaukis | yes, iptables |
| 21:43.53 | teraflops | ah |
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| 21:44.29 | teraflops | Tamsiaplaukis: did you try iptables -F and see it you can irc more than 5 minutes? |
| 21:44.31 | Tamsiaplaukis | I am behind router as well |
| 21:44.43 | teraflops | s/it/if |
| 21:44.57 | Tamsiaplaukis | ok.., I will ftry -F |
| 21:45.00 | Tamsiaplaukis | try |
| 21:45.18 | jhutchins | Tamsiaplaukis: That disables all of your rules btw. |
| 21:45.24 | teraflops | Tamsiaplaukis: do you know what iptables -F does? |
| 21:45.39 | jhutchins | Tamsiaplaukis: Always check commands you get from irc if you don't know what they're supposed to do. |
| 21:45.56 | Tamsiaplaukis | yes I know |
| 21:45.59 | teraflops | ok |
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| 21:46.59 | teraflops | Tamsiaplaukis: if you can irc more than 5 minutes you know where the issue is |
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| 21:47.31 | Tamsiaplaukis | yes, but then I do not know where is the problem in iptables input |
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| 21:47.52 | Tamsiaplaukis | I could show you my all iptables rules if you interested |
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| 21:50.37 | aario | So: How did I solve problem with headphone jack in debian? As my headphone jack is dual purpose (headphone/microphone), pushing all volumes up in playback screen of alsa, purging pulseaudio, installing backports kernel none worked. Instead of playback screen of alsa I went to CAPTURE screen of alsamixer and there I selected internal microphone instead of headphone microphone! This release headphone jack as an output and fixed the prob |
| 21:50.37 | aario | lem. Thanks all :-) |
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| 21:52.57 | jhutchins | aario: Thanks for the summary! |
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| 21:55.31 | poffs | what's the best torrent client that is available through the standard debian repositories? gotta have remote control via gui or web interface... I tried transmission-daemon and it works for me, but I'm wondering if I am missing out on something ... better |
| 21:55.54 | greycat | !best |
| 21:55.54 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 21:56.19 | greycat | I just use rtorrent (curses based) in screen. Control by ssh and screen -x. |
| 21:56.39 | awal1 | aario: right, So in pavucontrol ---» 'input devices' you must select 'internal microphone' as port. Thats what I have here. |
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| 21:57.26 | awal1 | aario: I forgot to suggest you that, I don't tought that may be your issue. Try reinstalling pulse audio and do that with pavucontrol |
| 21:57.51 | aario | awall |
| 21:57.52 | aario | yeah |
| 21:57.59 | aario | the pulseaudio was innocent! :-D |
| 21:58.07 | awal1 | right |
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| 21:58.32 | aario | I just installed pulseaudio for experimenting some things with DLNA |
| 21:58.35 | awal1 | you may want to reinstall it again and just do that in pavucontrol |
| 21:58.37 | aario | (speaker over wifi) |
| 21:58.37 | TheFlipside | poffs, have a look at deluge |
| 21:58.46 | awal1 | you dont need the backport kernel either |
| 21:58.50 | awal1 | aario |
| 21:58.53 | aario | yes |
| 21:59.01 | aario | I'm now on kernel 3 |
| 21:59.06 | aario | and will purge backport |
| 22:00.07 | awal1 | and remove backport repo from your sources file. then update it |
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| 22:01.10 | aario | yep |
| 22:01.12 | aario | thanks a lot |
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| 22:01.59 | Tamsiaplaukis | looks like turning iptables off helped. I am still connected to freenode |
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| 22:03.31 | poffs | TheFlipside, greycat, well, the server is going to be a beagle bone black... 1ghz single core CPU, 512 ram... so, it has to be light weight. a webgui would be nice, too, and a web gui with a preference on security is highly preferable |
| 22:03.35 | Tamsiaplaukis | do you know guys where could be the problem for all those disconnections in iptables here http://patogiai.info/iptables ? |
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| 22:06.05 | aario | iptables is firewall |
| 22:06.09 | aario | so there must be some rule in that |
| 22:06.13 | adm001mi | hey all got an issue with a script containing some export commands... for some reason when running the script, the export's are exported |
| 22:06.17 | aario | which blocks way of irc packets |
| 22:06.26 | aario | debugging iptables is a bit tricky and hard |
| 22:06.53 | adm001mi | *aren't exported |
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| 22:08.48 | Tamsiaplaukis | could you show me your firewall rules or maybe you see something incorrect in my rules http://patogiai.info/iptables ? |
| 22:09.15 | awal1 | Tamsiaplaukis, have you tried registering your nickname for freenode and check certificates stuffs in your irc client config? |
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| 22:11.20 | Brigo | Tamsiaplaukis, the accept lines has no sense if the default policy is accept too. |
| 22:11.24 | Tamsiaplaukis | awall, I am registered user and identified to nickserv. I have tried both (ssl and standard connections), but no luck |
| 22:11.45 | Triski | hi all |
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| 22:17.34 | armin | hi. first of all, disclaimer (!!!) i'm on a linuxmint system here (!!!). i've stumbled upon a bug with ipv6 and dns name resolution. both browsers don't allow me to access an ipv6 address if i don't have an ipv6 default route set. this is a behaviour i only know from osx prior, and it did not hit me yet on my debian testing notebook, but i notice this behaviour on this machine here (linuxmint 17.3 xfce |
| 22:17.35 | armin | edition). |
| 22:18.14 | armin | so my question would be if that behaviour is also present in debian right now (which i can't check, but i'm pretty sure it is) |
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| 22:19.00 | armin | in the terminal all name resolutions work, too, that is, i can access my hosts via ssh/lynx/curl/nc/whatever, but simply not via chromium and/or firefox. |
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| 22:20.06 | armin | anything i can check further here? |
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| 22:21.24 | Triski | armin, when you try on those web browsers,... you mean you type an ipv6 address as url or you try to access a website with the URL ? |
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| 22:22.11 | armin | Triski: i try to access that server from a dns record since i'm human and can remember dns names more easily. |
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| 22:22.16 | Dagger | armin: I am just gonna note that Mint ship Firefox with IPv6 disabled by default |
| 22:22.39 | armin | Dagger: i'm able to access ipv6 hosts as soon as i set a default route. |
| 22:22.58 | poffs | is rtorrent the most lightweight client around? |
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| 22:23.50 | greycat | titan:~$ ps auxw | grep rtorr |
| 22:23.50 | greycat | greg 8959 0.2 0.2 767340 21780 pts/13 Sl+ Jan27 31:37 rtorrent |
| 22:23.54 | Triski | armin, there is a command line option for chrome that maybe helps. chrome --enable-ipv6 |
| 22:23.59 | jeep | poffs: aria2c can download torrents |
| 22:24.00 | greycat | Dunno how helpful that is, but it's real. |
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| 22:25.34 | Dagger | armin: well, I can't think of anything in Firefox that would trigger that behavior. it should just use getaddrinfo() under the hood (and I presume you've checked that wget etc prefer v6 for these hosts) |
| 22:25.48 | armin | i noticed this broken ipv6 behaviour in osx and i remembered this as "osx is broken in terms of ipv6", but exactly the same thing occurs on a linuxmint system here. |
| 22:25.49 | Dagger | (or maybe they only have AAAA records anyway) |
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| 22:26.24 | teraflops | jeep: among other things :) |
| 22:26.29 | armin | there's also an interesting chromium option: chromium --disable-async-dns |
| 22:26.33 | Triski | armin, this can help also in chrome, chrome://net-internals/#dns lets you check the dns support for ipv6 |
| 22:26.46 | armin | Dagger: they *do* have "only" AAAA records, yes. |
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| 22:29.15 | teraflops | armin: ipvfoo is a good chrome extension too |
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| 22:29.41 | armin | nothing proper about your propaganda, fools follow rules when they set commands ya... |
| 22:30.09 | awal1 | Tamsiaplaukis, try enabling self signed certificates (unverified/insecure, I no remember how they are called by irc clients:D) |
| 22:30.40 | awal1 | I have had similar problem with freenode (can't connect at all) unless I enabled that |
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| 22:31.10 | awal1 | I have no issues with oftc |
| 22:31.41 | armin | Hostname Family Addresses Expires |
| 22:31.42 | armin | gitlab.vpn.blue IPV4 error: -105 (ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED) 2016-02-03 23:31:06.315 [Expired] |
| 22:31.43 | armin | hah |
| 22:31.49 | armin | chromium asks only for a v4 entry here |
| 22:31.54 | armin | that's clearly a bug |
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| 22:34.19 | Tamsiaplaukis | awall, I have created selfsigned certificate as well, but it did not help |
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| 22:35.33 | armin | fun-fact: i'm *not* able to reproduce this on debian testing. |
| 22:37.00 | armin | armin@square:~$ chromium-browser --version |
| 22:37.01 | armin | Using PPAPI flash. |
| 22:37.02 | armin | Chromium 48.0.2564.82 Built on Ubuntu 14.04, running on LinuxMint 17.3 |
| 22:37.03 | armin | armin@square:~$ |
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| 22:37.07 | armin | that's the version on linuxmint where it's broken |
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| 22:37.30 | armin | this one here is on debian testing, where it's *not* broken: |
| 22:37.32 | armin | [armin] ~ % chromium --version |
| 22:37.32 | armin | Chromium 47.0.2526.80 Built on 8.2, running on Debian stretch/sid |
| 22:37.33 | armin | [armin] ~ % |
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| 22:37.54 | armin | could well be that i'm able to reproduce this on a 48.x on testing. |
| 22:38.05 | armin | at least that's my guess. |
| 22:38.28 | armin | brb checking |
| 22:38.30 | Lumiette | Hello! I've got a problem with GLX, running Jessie. |
| 22:38.56 | armin | was able to reproduce this on chromium 48 on gentoo, too, btw. |
| 22:39.03 | armin | so, chrome bug. |
| 22:39.28 | awal1 | Tamsiaplaukis, freenode main channel may be more helpful for you |
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| 22:39.44 | awal1 | this is a debian channel |
| 22:40.20 | Tamsiaplaukis | thank you awall |
| 22:41.03 | Lumiette | I'd like to run Steam, but it returns: "OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display" |
| 22:41.21 | awal1 | Tamsiaplaukis, clic ---» #freenode |
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| 22:42.17 | Tamsiaplaukis | I will try change something in my iptables first and if it will not help then I will go and ask in freenode channel |
| 22:44.13 | fhffhqvb | Tamsiaplaukis: if you're using a shitty router, it may be a "security feature"... |
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| 22:45.58 | Tamsiaplaukis | tried connect to freenode with android tablet and there was no problems |
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| 22:46.14 | Tamsiaplaukis | so router should be ok |
| 22:46.34 | n_blownapart | hello what should I use to improve wifi access a booster or an antennae or an external usb wifi card ? debian jessie intel i3 --thanks |
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| 22:47.14 | fhffhqvb | n_blownapart: a better channel. |
| 22:47.53 | n_blownapart | fhffhqvb: pardon? sorry not a tech person |
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| 22:48.03 | axc1298 | n_blownapart: if it's a wifi network that's too far away, then a stronger usb wifi adapter could help you |
| 22:48.38 | fhffhqvb | n_blownapart: you're probably using a crowded wifi channel. if you have an android phone, get wifi analyzer and see if you can set it to a better one. |
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| 22:49.59 | Lumiette | fhffhqvb: His tablet should do the trick, right? :) |
| 22:50.00 | n_blownapart | axc1298: thanks within the room, I got better reception in one corner over another. I can barely move my machine though . fhffhqvb the router is brand new. I have an elderly landlady who doesn't want to hear my problems with it. is the channel set from the cli ? |
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| 22:50.33 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Laptop? Desktop? |
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| 22:50.43 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Orientation and location are two big factors. |
| 22:50.45 | n_blownapart | desktop dell intel i3 |
| 22:50.46 | axc1298 | n_blownapart: the router is in the same room as you and you still have signal strength issues? |
| 22:50.47 | armin | bug filed: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=584028 |
| 22:51.04 | n_blownapart | axc1298: no it is two rooms away, not too far. |
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| 22:51.09 | Tamsiaplaukis | sounds like a channel problem |
| 22:51.35 | jhutchins | Channel selection is usually automatic these days. |
| 22:51.43 | Tamsiaplaukis | try change from automatic to manual (10 or 3) |
| 22:52.04 | n_blownapart | there are many factors ... confusing. should I just get a booster / repeater for 20 bucks? |
| 22:52.22 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Both the router and the PC should be in an open space away from walls and other obstructions. |
| 22:52.43 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: If the PC has a removable antenna, using a cable to reposition it could help a lot. |
| 22:53.18 | Piggy | bites _piggy_'s head off |
| 22:53.24 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: The antenna on the PC card should be clear of any cables (power, keyboard, anything). |
| 22:53.24 | n_blownapart | the router transmitter is on the ceiling, it looks like a fire alarm, the actual router in the basement, hard-wired . jhutchins |
| 22:53.26 | cafuego | Would the landlady let you install a powerline wall-wart? |
| 22:53.57 | n_blownapart | what about a usb antennae to move around the room? jhutchins |
| 22:53.57 | jhutchins | Oh, god, those things are HORRIBLE. It has ALWAYS been a bad idea to try to piggyback RF on power. |
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| 22:54.18 | cafuego | jhutchins: Solved all my problems overnight, so horrible is quite relative. |
| 22:54.34 | n_blownapart | cafuego: wall wart? |
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| 22:55.00 | cafuego | n_blownapart: little box that plugs into a power socket |
| 22:55.04 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Possibly, but an analyser on a phone would be good to find the best location, and most PC cards have removable antennas, a cable woudl be cheaper than a USB dongle. (No such thing as a USB antenna.) |
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| 22:56.08 | n_blownapart | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.34 | n_blownapart | to put between the transmitter (ceiling mounted) and my room. |
| 22:57.34 | n_blownapart | jhutchins: so where is the removable antennae ? inside the tower I guess? |
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| 22:59.00 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Should be on the back of the wireless card, or there should be a port for it. It could be in the case though. |
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| 22:59.32 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: PC make & model? |
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| 23:00.17 | n_blownapart | thanks a lot.. a bit confused... |
| 23:00.29 | n_blownapart | jhutchins: one sec |
| 23:00.40 | poffs | jeep, thanks for recommending aria2c. i'm going with that. looks extremely suitable for my purposes. |
| 23:01.42 | n_blownapart | DELL inspiron 3847 core i3 Haswell 8GB 1TB jhutchins |
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| 23:04.29 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Yeah, looks like multiple internal antennas. Apparently known for horrible wifi performance. Spare antennas here: http://pcpartsoutlet.com/dell-aio-inspiron-3847-series-wifi-wireless-antenna-w5fw9-0w5fw9-genuine.html |
| 23:04.52 | jhutchins | n_blownapart: Might be worth hacking them out of the case and repositioning them. |
| 23:04.56 | jhutchins | Out, later. |
| 23:05.01 | n_blownapart | jhutchins: many thanks |
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| 23:07.03 | _piggy_ | Piggy: Doh! Not that! |
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| 23:08.04 | n_blownapart | _piggy_: not what ? |
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| 23:08.36 | _piggy_ | n_blownapart, Nick clash. Piggy and /me on same channel |
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| 23:27.57 | BinBasher | how much mib on the cpu is gnome shell for you guys using? |
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| 23:29.54 | cafuego | How much is yours using? |
| 23:30.10 | cafuego | Which column in 'ps' output are you looking at? |
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| 23:35.18 | BinBasher | eh wtf is happening my cores are jumping from 0 to 100 |
| 23:35.24 | BinBasher | and back to 0 |
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| 23:37.06 | n_blownapart | Hi will this thing improve my reception from a router two rooms away ? (debian jessie - still wondering what to buy) thanks http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-150Mbps-Raspberry-Supports/dp/B003MTTJOY/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=31ChKj3dl7L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0V214GZFA7S50X90NHEY |
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| 23:39.02 | awal1 | I have installed 'kde-full' but I removed it (it tooks me several hours using dpkg, aptitude & apt); then I had to remove all kde stuffs file in home manually. But probably some files still present in home and maybe in / dirs . How to check that via cli? |
| 23:40.32 | awal1 | I used find . | grep kde and found 2 files. Is there any "sofisticated" command more exhaustive ? |
| 23:41.11 | cafuego | find . -name '*kde*' |
| 23:41.20 | awal1 | probably apt-file can do the job, but I dont know how to limit its search to my local machine |
| 23:41.34 | armin | cafuego: #debian: no output from "find" command. |
| 23:41.45 | cafuego | That won't find any files for apps that are bndle with kde but whose names only start with 'k'. |
| 23:42.05 | cafuego | Anyway, they're just preference files and disk space is cheap. |
| 23:42.36 | cafuego | certainly cheaper than your time :-) |
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| 23:43.19 | awal1 | cafuego: that command works fine too, but the result is similat to my command (find . | grep kde) |
| 23:43.51 | awal1 | disk space is cheap yeah, I just want to delete all kde traces :) |
| 23:43.59 | cafuego | awal1: Yes, it's essentially the same command, but more efficient because not using a pipe to filter after the fact |
| 23:44.02 | awal1 | similar ^ |
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| 23:45.32 | awal1 | ok, cafuego, so probably only the 2 files listed still present in my machine |
| 23:45.58 | cafuego | You could parse the depends for kde, then grep for any files that match those app names. But yeah, wasting time. |
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| 23:47.34 | _piggy_ | awall: Did you try apt-get autoremove ? |
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| 23:48.02 | _piggy_ | May work for you. Don't know. |
| 23:48.11 | cafuego | that won't touch anything in ~/ |
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| 23:48.48 | _piggy_ | True |
| 23:50.00 | awal1 | _piggy_, sure. I believe I have 0 kde packs /libs now in my machine. |
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| 23:50.59 | awal1 | It was hard and took me hours but aptitude/dpkg & apt did the job, after 3 hours :) |
| 23:51.01 | _piggy_ | awall: Cool I missed the ~/ issue. |
| 23:51.04 | toan_ | in gcc, is it possible to specify two sysroot directories? |
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| 23:51.31 | abrotman | toan_: there is a #gcc IIRC |
| 23:51.37 | outside_ | Man, I am kicking myself for not documenting it. I had cause last week to export an installed app. I found the command for it, and it packaged up the installed app into an installable .deb file. I can not, for the lif eof me remember that command. Anyone know? |
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| 23:51.50 | outside_ | The terms are vague enough that I am confident that I could search for a few more hours and not find it again. |
| 23:52.49 | toan_ | abrotman, i can't talk in the #gcc channel |
| 23:53.10 | outside_ | I remember trying about a half dozen things, don't remember if I had to install it or if it's default. |
| 23:53.20 | markybob | toan_, why? |
| 23:53.44 | toan_ | markybob, does not say, it just say can't send to channel when i send a message |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | toan_: /msg nickserv help ; you need to register |
| 23:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | outside_, checkinstall? |
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| 23:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | outside_, also, as to searching for it... history|less would be very useful... if you configured your shell to pretty much never throw any history away |
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| 23:58.31 | outside_ | CutMeOwnThroat: That got some progress, -fakeroot may have been the command, I'll follow that trail, thanks. |