| 00:00.31 | outside_ | Along with dpkg-repack |
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| 00:04.38 | jaggzt | if I have local software which uses /usr/sbin/sendmail to send some outgoing notices (to myself), what's the proper software/agent for getting outgoing mail working right? |
| 00:04.49 | jaggzt | apparently postfix is running.. but I believe that's for incoming only |
| 00:05.36 | jaggzt | this page indicates using exim4 for it is proper... |
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| 00:06.20 | jaggzt | but apt-get install exim4-config also wants drupal7 installed.. ugh |
| 00:06.46 | markybob | jaggzt, postfix sends mail. that what i use |
| 00:07.00 | jaggzt | oh.. I wonder why my mail's not going out.. hrm |
| 00:07.09 | markybob | jaggzt, there is #postfix |
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| 00:08.56 | jaggzt | markybob, good point |
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| 00:11.30 | jaggzt | markybob, and that led me to check my mail logs. spamhaus has my ip banned, apparently. (likely the address range of our cable provider in los angeles) |
| 00:11.51 | jhutchins | jaggzt: dpkg -S /usr/bin/sendmail - it's probably not sendmail. (It may be a symlink.) |
| 00:12.06 | jaggzt | yeah I'd hope not.. sendmail still scares me |
| 00:12.27 | jaggzt | from back in the 90's :) |
| 00:13.00 | jhutchins | jaggzt: It's an excellent enterprise grade mail system still used in some of the top mail services in the world. |
| 00:13.30 | jhutchins | jaggzt: On this system it's a symlink to exim4. |
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| 00:14.54 | abrotman | jaggzt: you can query spamhaus to see why it's banned |
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| 00:17.57 | jaggzt | abrotman, yeah, did that. apparently the whole /18 is blocked. "This IP address range has been identified by Spamhaus as not meeting our policy for IP addresses permitted to deliver unauthenticated 'direct-to-mx' email to PBL users." |
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| 00:28.44 | abrotman | jaggzt: Right, your IP is in dynamic space. That's normal |
| 00:29.11 | jaggzt | yeah. it's nice that it remains unchanged for a year or more at a time, but it's not static |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | jaggzt: you need to use your ISP's mail server (or something else legit) for submission |
| 00:30.49 | jaggzt | abrotman, hmm.. since this is beta software for work, I don't want any accidental outgoing emails to outsiders coming from my IP |
| 00:31.00 | jaggzt | I'm working in #postfix on the issue |
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| 00:47.18 | awal1 | ,v sddm |
| 00:47.20 | judd | Package: sddm on amd64 -- sid: 0.13.0-1; stretch: 0.13.0-1 |
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| 00:50.38 | popnfloss | the real reason why ian killed himself was ubuntu |
| 00:50.49 | markybob | popnfloss, stop it |
| 00:51.02 | popnfloss | he saw what it did to linux and decided he didnt want to live on this planet anymore |
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| 00:51.39 | popnfloss | sorry that was in bad taste |
| 00:51.54 | popnfloss | i think ian would have found it funny |
| 00:51.54 | markybob | popnfloss, no shit asshole |
| 00:52.06 | popnfloss | he had a sense of humor |
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| 00:52.42 | popnfloss | i think the debian community should get together and work on some project that involves killing cops |
| 00:52.57 | popnfloss | in ian's honor |
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| 00:53.08 | popnfloss | i'm onboard with that |
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| 01:11.09 | Jn_Kell | Hi all, I'm learning about packaging a lot, and have selected a package to work on. Does anyone know of valuable resources (besides the youtubes and extensive debian wiki) which they'd recommend regarding packaging? (#debian-develop is invite, that's why i'm asking here) |
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| 01:13.18 | markybob | Jn_Kell, join #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq |
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| 01:15.22 | Jn_Kell | markybob, Thanks for that, will do! I didn't find that irc server/channel anywhere on the wiki. |
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| 01:37.08 | Abbott | so does this mean there aren't any backports of python2.7 for jessie? I need version 2.7.10 at least, so I am thinking of making one from the stretch revision https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python2.7&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=jessie-backports |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | judd: versions python |
| 01:38.13 | somiaj | ,v python2.7 |
| 01:38.14 | judd | Package: python2.7 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; jessie: 2.7.9-2; sid: 2.7.11-3; stretch: 2.7.11-3 |
| 01:38.15 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.11-1; sid: 2.7.11-1 |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | Abbott: won't be backports |
| 01:38.26 | abrotman | judd: versions python3 |
| 01:38.28 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.1-1; sid: 3.5.1-1 |
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| 01:38.33 | abrotman | Abbott: python3 isn't good enough? |
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| 01:40.55 | Abbott | to my understanding python3 isn't fully backwards compatible |
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| 01:41.46 | Abbott | abrotman: why wouldn't there be a backport? Should I not make my own? |
| 01:42.03 | slurpage | what a waste of bandwidth |
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| 01:42.24 | Abbott | what is? |
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| 01:45.17 | abrotman | slurpage: ? |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | Abbott: because changing the system's default python is generally considered bad |
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| 01:47.14 | Abbott | i see |
| 01:47.28 | Abbott | backports are usually always discouraged though |
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| 01:47.54 | abrotman | Abbott: no |
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| 01:51.03 | jim | hi... there seems to have been a tmux since squeeze... what exactly happened after wheezy? |
| 01:51.50 | slurpage | abrotman over 1600 people in this channel and we're talking about backporting an ancient version of python, my god what have we become? |
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| 01:54.16 | abrotman | slurpage: Your useless comments are just as bad, thanks |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | jim: what? |
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| 01:55.09 | jim | judd says jessie only has a bacport... so, I was curious what had happened |
| 01:55.22 | slurpage | abrotman you're right, but you asked |
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| 01:56.17 | abrotman | jim: just means no one created it |
| 01:56.42 | jim | and/or uploaded it, I guess |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | judd: versions tmux |
| 01:57.27 | judd | Package: tmux on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.6-2; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 1.8-3~bpo60+2; wheezy-backports: 1.9-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.9-6; jessie-backports: 2.1-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.1-3; sid: 2.1-3 |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | plenty of backports |
| 01:57.43 | jim | wait, it didn't say all that |
| 01:57.49 | abrotman | "it" ? |
| 01:57.59 | jim | never mind argh (judd) |
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| 01:58.38 | joaeos | Does the netinst image let me choose which packages to install? |
| 01:58.50 | abrotman | it can, yes |
| 01:59.05 | joaeos | So could I for instance install a different desktop environment, like MATE or XFCE? |
| 01:59.57 | jim | joaeos, one thing you could do, is just install the minimal (the base), reboot into that, then install what you want from there |
| 02:00.09 | joaeos | Ah, ok! |
| 02:00.13 | joaeos | I think that's what I'm going to do |
| 02:00.43 | jim | I misread judd's reply. sorry for noise |
| 02:00.45 | joaeos | Does the net install come with wireless drivers though |
| 02:00.48 | ````````` | judd |
| 02:01.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell joaeos about firmware images |
| 02:01.05 | ````````` | i dont see any judd messages :( |
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| 02:03.12 | jim | joaeos, some, yes. you have a lot of choices, if you leave the net unconfigured, the netinst will install the base from the package on tje netinstall image itself, then you can (again) reboot into it, and work on the wireless drivers/firmware |
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| 02:03.56 | joaeos | Ok. thanks jim |
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| 02:04.15 | argoneus | hello |
| 02:04.21 | argoneus | is there a way to check for some sort of "checksum" of my OS? |
| 02:04.28 | argoneus | to see if my kernel has been modified or something |
| 02:04.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell argoneus about debsums |
| 02:04.36 | argoneus | I mean the OS itself |
| 02:05.14 | jim | or, some images come with some firmware, and so maybe you can get your wireless going early in the install... if you do that (and can get connected etc), then it will get a (possibly later) copy of the base, and you can pick whatever you want |
| 02:05.24 | abrotman | argoneus: yes, see what the bot told you |
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| 02:05.52 | argoneus | "a package's files against their checksums" |
| 02:05.58 | argoneus | I don't want to check a package though :< |
| 02:06.12 | argoneus | oh wait, the kernel package is a package too |
| 02:06.34 | jim | argoneus, probably good to say exactly what you do want |
| 02:06.41 | argoneus | I already said |
| 02:06.46 | argoneus | I want to check if my kernel has been modified |
| 02:07.02 | argoneus | or if I'm running the proper version.. basically I downloaded a pre-installed VM box and I want to check if it's elegit |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | Unless you've compiled your own kernel, the kernel is a package also |
| 02:07.08 | argoneus | -e |
| 02:08.25 | jim | argoneus, see if there are files whose names start with linux-image in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 02:08.39 | jim | if no, you can download it again |
| 02:08.48 | argoneus | yes |
| 02:09.08 | jim | how many? |
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| 02:09.40 | abrotman | argoneus: try debsums |
| 02:10.05 | argoneus | actually nevermind |
| 02:10.07 | argoneus | there are only linux-headers |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | argoneus: what is 'uname -a" |
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| 02:10.55 | jim | you can still do it |
| 02:11.27 | argoneus | Linux homestead 3.19.0-25-generic |
| 02:11.38 | argoneus | and a bunch of other dates and stuff |
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| 02:11.51 | abrotman | argoneus: you sohuld ask #ubuntu, we don't support Ubuntu here |
| 02:12.00 | abrotman | they may have different tools to accomplish your goal |
| 02:12.13 | argoneus | ohh, sorry |
| 02:12.22 | argoneus | (how do you tell, by the way?) |
| 02:12.51 | abrotman | that's not a Debian kernel |
| 02:13.33 | argoneus | I see, sorry :< |
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| 02:15.15 | armin | ah, fun times. been debugging network stuff for 30min when all that occured was a remote system hanging on reboot thanks to systemd... |
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| 02:21.08 | slurpage | systemd isn't a perfect solution, but i has simplified a lot of the redundant sub processes, i guess we have to take the good with the bad |
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| 02:43.08 | childc21 | Hi, is there any documentation available on removing the ntp service completely from systemd? I'm working on replacing it with openntpd. I've discovered I need to write a ntpd.service file (which, that's probably a bug that the openntpd in apt doesn't come with one). The other issue is that removing the ntp package didn't remove the ntp service from systemd or /etc/init.d so I'm getting errors from systemd about it. |
| 02:44.57 | childc21 | (this is on jesse btw, I forgot that in my initial description) |
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| 02:58.41 | poffs | bi have four systems with nearly identical package requirements, all running the same repositories |
| 02:58.48 | poffs | when I went to update them, it has to download the archive lists (10mb) on each system, then the updates on each system (100mb each). I pay for my bandwidth (satelite), so... is there a better way? I can't mirror the entire archive locally, since that would increase my bandwidth further |
| 02:59.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell poffs about apt-cacher-ng |
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| 03:02.57 | uberdub | hi |
| 03:03.21 | uberdub | iwwifi is chewing up battery big time |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | uberdub: what is uname -a ? |
| 03:03.42 | uberdub | 1.46 W 100.0% Radio device: iwlwifi |
| 03:04.08 | uberdub | Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:04.28 | uberdub | its a intel ac card |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | are you using the wifi? |
| 03:04.41 | uberdub | yeah |
| 03:05.03 | abrotman | you can try a newer kernel or a newer driver/firmware |
| 03:05.13 | uberdub | ok |
| 03:05.20 | uberdub | that was my next question |
| 03:05.32 | uberdub | 4.4 and proprietary driver |
| 03:06.10 | abrotman | and what? |
| 03:07.21 | uberdub | its a intel 7260 |
| 03:07.36 | uberdub | intel drivers depend 4.2+ |
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| 03:31.52 | markybob | packaging libtorrent 1.0.8 was way too hard. no wonder debian's maintainer hasn't done it. kicked my ass but i finally managed :P /me files bug report with patch |
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| 03:35.32 | altker128 | Hey all. Is there a way to permanently disable IPV6 in Debian Jesse without messing with /etc/sysctl.conf ? I am using LXC (containers) and even though IPV6 is disabled on the host (Jesse) via sysctls, the containers still pull IPV6 |
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| 04:00.24 | Kirito | I'm really getting quite sick of this now. I'm about at the point where I think this is a bug with Debian. I have a custom kernel compiled, EVERY MODULE THAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED should be compiled JUST AS IT IS with Debian's own Kernel. So can someone please, please tell me why this could possibly still be failing? Because I am at a loss. There's no other reason for this. I can post my entire kernel config if needed. http://i.imgur.com/1v0hUG |
| 04:00.24 | Kirito | A.png |
| 04:00.32 | Kirito | I have wasted so much time just trying to get this to work. |
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| 04:00.49 | somiaj | Kirito: what is failing? |
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| 04:00.58 | somiaj | (could it be something with initramfs?) |
| 04:01.37 | Kirito | somiaj, When trying to boot into the new kernel, that's the screen I get. It says it can't find my root device, modules are missing, then drops into a fallback shell that I can't even use because it won't accept keyboard input |
| 04:01.43 | markybob | Kirito, why are you posting a png for a kernel build? that's not what we need. and it doesn't even work. "if you're looking for an image, it's probably been deleted or may not have existed at all" |
| 04:02.05 | Kirito | The device absolutely, positively does exist, so does the kernel image. |
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| 04:02.21 | somiaj | Kirito: it could be the module you ened for your root fs is not in initramfs (and not really an issue with your kernel) |
| 04:02.22 | markybob | Kirito, your png doesn't. so i can't really trust you right now |
| 04:02.53 | somiaj | markybob: http://i.imgur.com/1v0hUGA.png |
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| 04:03.25 | markybob | Kirito, okay. list every step. every single one. |
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| 04:04.26 | Abbott | when i try to install a backport I am making with `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc`, it tells me that the dependencies aren't met. Isn't `sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove` supposed to install a package that satisfies the dependencies, though? |
| 04:04.49 | markybob | Abbott, that's what apt-get build-dep package is for |
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| 04:05.16 | somiaj | that will only install the build depends, it may not install all the depends |
| 04:05.30 | somiaj | provided the depends can be meat, just run 'apt-get -f install' after your dpkg -i foo.deb fails |
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| 04:05.46 | markybob | since he's talking about dpkg-buildpackage i think that's a good assumption |
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| 04:05.56 | Abbott | I'm following this https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 04:06.30 | somiaj | Abbott: It could just be possible the build depends for the backport you want are not available in jessie and you'll need to backport the build depends first |
| 04:06.47 | markybob | Abbott, what's the package? |
| 04:06.54 | Abbott | python2.7 |
| 04:07.30 | Abbott | the deb doesn't get created so something is going on with the building i think |
| 04:07.52 | Kirito | https://www.diffchecker.com/eoujb6qc left = stock kernel, right = custom kernel. Buuilt with make-kpkg, nothing otherwise special about the build |
| 04:08.13 | markybob | Kirito, no, that's not how you build a debian kernel |
| 04:08.26 | Kirito | I'm sorry? |
| 04:09.08 | markybob | Kirito, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
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| 04:10.50 | Kirito | markybob, I'm sorry, the difference is? |
| 04:11.08 | markybob | Kirito, the difference is one works on debian and one might not... |
| 04:11.24 | markybob | Kirito, i mean if you don't read the guide i can't really help you |
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| 04:11.38 | Kirito | Again, the difference is? It tells you to do the exact same thing for both |
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| 04:12.03 | markybob | Kirito, i guess you'll keep failing then |
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| 04:12.28 | fragment-777 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QBeal8wXB8 |
| 04:12.31 | Abbott | netsplit? |
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| 04:12.40 | markybob | fragment-777, stop |
| 04:12.45 | Kirito | markybob, So basically you don't know what you're talking about and jut like throwing links, okay then. |
| 04:12.53 | fragment-777 | ok ok |
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| 04:13.00 | fragment-777 | I hold... |
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| 04:13.17 | markybob | Kirito, i know how to read the docs and i have a custom kernel that works fine. you have to do things the debian way |
| 04:13.18 | Kirito | "After the configuration with one of the configuration frontends (invoked by make oldconfig, make config, make menuconfig, etc) is completed, the build may be started using make deb-pkg target as described above" |
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| 04:13.43 | markybob | Kirito, you didn't use make deb-pkg per what you said |
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| 04:14.53 | markybob | Kirito, are you now saying you did make deb-pkg ? |
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| 04:15.08 | Kirito | Do you know what make-kpkg is? |
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| 04:16.01 | markybob | !make-kpkg |
| 04:16.01 | dpkg | make-kpkg is no longer the recommended method for building kernel packages. See <kernel handbook> for current instructions. It can be used to make a debian package for a custom kernel. See man make-kpkg, <kp mantra>. NOTE it does not automatically create header packages, needed for module-assistant and dkms. |
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| 04:16.14 | markybob | Kirito, see that? it's not recommended |
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| 04:16.26 | markybob | Kirito, so get your shit right before you go apeshit |
| 04:16.41 | markybob | Kirito, the guide i gave you is the way to do it now. |
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| 04:17.21 | Kirito | Sure, that's not at all relevant to the issue here, but thanks for letting me know it's no longer the recommended method, even though it's still documented and has worked fine for years using Vanilla kernels |
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| 04:18.02 | markybob | okay. i'm out. |
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| 04:18.46 | Abbott | http://pastebin.com/raw/CZHBubKz |
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| 04:19.04 | Abbott | so do i just need to apt-get all the build deps and try to build again? |
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| 04:19.12 | altker128 | Is there a way to run a command on boot-up without having to write a custom script? |
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| 04:19.29 | Kirito | I get that you enjoy being condescending and gloating about how much you think you know but please don't waste peoples time when you don't really know what it is you're talking about |
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| 04:19.36 | markybob | altker128, using jessie? |
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| 04:19.41 | altker128 | markybob: Yes, Jessie. |
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| 04:20.07 | markybob | altker128, you can just throw in the path on /etc/rc.local |
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| 04:21.28 | markybob | altker128, just wanna make sure you saw it with all the splits |
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| 04:23.19 | Abbott | omg i have to backport all these build dependencies |
| 04:23.30 | Abbott | they only exist in stretch+ |
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| 04:25.07 | markybob | Abbott, what package is this? |
| 04:25.15 | Abbott | python2.7 |
| 04:25.38 | markybob | oh, yeah. did that myself actually |
| 04:25.44 | altker128 | markybob: OK, thanks, will try! |
| 04:26.17 | Abbott | is there some way to backport all of these build dependencies at once, or will i have to backport each of these individually before i can backport python2.7? |
| 04:27.15 | markybob | Abbott, sure. you can do build-dep foo foo1 foo2 foo3 apt-get source foo foo1 foo2 foo3 etc |
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| 04:28.09 | Abbott | I will have to dget all of them too though, right? |
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| 04:28.49 | markybob | Abbott, yep |
| 04:29.05 | markybob | Abbott, are you sure you really need it? |
| 04:29.14 | fragment-777 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwn3iu41vMU |
| 04:29.19 | markybob | fragment-777, stop |
| 04:29.30 | Abbott | this program says I need python 2.7.10 at least, so yeah |
| 04:29.39 | fragment-777 | Chicago |
| 04:29.41 | fragment-777 | song |
| 04:29.53 | fragment-777 | wary soules |
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| 04:30.19 | markybob | Abbott, i'm too curious. what is it? |
| 04:30.45 | Abbott | SiCKRAGE, a fork of SickBeard |
| 04:31.36 | markybob | Kirito, finally read the guide and got it working? |
| 04:33.19 | fragment-777 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWEyFv_mbs |
| 04:33.53 | markybob | fragment-777, you're just about reaching the limit here. want to continue? |
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| 04:35.26 | Kirito | markybob, let's not be immature please. |
| 04:35.55 | markybob | Kirito, i'm seriously just trying to help. otherwise i wouldn't have given the link to what actually works |
| 04:36.50 | Kirito | I'm currently recompiling the kernel using make deb-pkg though I doubt it's going to make any difference. |
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| 04:37.09 | markybob | Kirito, cool. please, seriously, let me know the outcome. |
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| 04:38.33 | markybob | Kirito, btw are you using ccache? that helps me a lot with compiling |
| 04:38.46 | Kirito | I'm using both ccache and distcc |
| 04:40.02 | altker128 | markybob: Your suggestion worked, thank you :) |
| 04:41.06 | markybob | altker128, very welcome :) |
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| 04:46.09 | altker128 | markybob: Happen to know anything about X forwarding? |
| 04:47.42 | somiaj | altker128: you can just ask your question, someone might answer. |
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| 04:48.04 | somiaj | altker128: what is the client, from linux usually ssh -X user@host:command is enough |
| 04:48.33 | altker128 | Eh. Well seems like I borked something on the remote end and despite using ssh -X , I keep getting variants of can't open X display |
| 04:48.48 | altker128 | I can ssh -X to another machine and it works, so my client-side setup is fine |
| 04:49.11 | somiaj | altker128: ssh -vvv -X (for more verbosity) |
| 04:49.14 | Kirito | markybob, Exact same issue. http://i.imgur.com/5Qu3Qtp.png |
| 04:49.26 | somiaj | altker128: also chceck X11Forwarding yes must specified in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 04:50.01 | altker128 | somiaj: Yeah, X11Forwarding is on. Thinking it might be something with xauth / magic cookies |
| 04:50.36 | markybob | Kirito, okay. lspci -nn and then your config |
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| 04:51.02 | Abbott | markybob: so the only build dependency i need to backport is gcc-5, the rest i was able to get through apt-get. I can't seem to backport gcc-5 though, it tells me it has a problem parsing the depends field. I googled GCC5 and got this link: https://wiki.debian.org/GCC5 |
| 04:51.12 | Abbott | which is saying that gcc5 is having build errors |
| 04:51.25 | Abbott | did you run into this backporting python? |
| 04:51.36 | Kirito | I can't from the busybox shell there. It's not recognizing any keyboard input. I can only run commands from the stock kernel, one moment and I'll do that. |
| 04:52.19 | somiaj | Abbott: there are some major chainges in abi in gcc5 that may make it hard to backport, install on jessie |
| 04:52.31 | somiaj | Abbott: what version of python do you want? What is wrong with the version that is included in jessie? |
| 04:52.42 | somiaj | Abbott: (note changing the version of python in jessie is dangerous) |
| 04:52.48 | Kirito | https://bpaste.net/show/73b8969f8292 lspci |
| 04:52.56 | altker128 | somiaj: Weird, I had to tell SSH to use inet for the AddressFamily and life is OK :) |
| 04:52.57 | Kirito | https://www.diffchecker.com/eoujb6qc Kernel config (left stock, right custom) |
| 04:52.58 | somiaj | (since many scripts/systeem level stuff depends on it) |
| 04:53.10 | somiaj | altker128: network gnomes |
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| 04:53.38 | vvande_ | In resolv.conf, how many nameserver entries are checked if the previous ones fail? |
| 04:53.55 | somiaj | vvande_: it should jsut check them in order until sucess (man resolv.conf for more info) |
| 04:54.09 | vvande_ | someara: So you could have 10 in there? |
| 04:54.10 | markybob | Kirito, have you tried the 4.3 backport kernel? is there a reason that doesn't work for you? |
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| 04:54.45 | somiaj | vvande_: sure |
| 04:54.53 | vvande_ | somiaj: sorry, I did wrong name in autocomplete. |
| 04:54.57 | Kirito | markybob, I'm custom compiling for the BFS CPU scheduler and BFQ IO scheduler, I don't think the backport would have that patched in, would it? |
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| 04:55.15 | vvande_ | somiaj: it seems odd that it would not have any limits. |
| 04:55.17 | han-solo | hey guys |
| 04:55.20 | han-solo | Err http://security.debian.org jessie/updates Release.gpg Unable to connect to 127.0.0.1:8118: |
| 04:55.24 | markybob | Kirito, i'm not sure. i'll look at the config. give me a minute |
| 04:55.30 | han-solo | I installed tor recently |
| 04:55.34 | Kirito | It's not a part of the official kernel yet |
| 04:55.34 | han-solo | and now i uninstalled it |
| 04:55.39 | Kirito | It's just a patch at the moment |
| 04:55.44 | somiaj | Kirito: another options. Take the debian config /boot/config-version (and use that config, and just modify the things you need) |
| 04:55.50 | somiaj | Kirito: is this how you made your config? |
| 04:56.07 | somiaj | vvande_: you are correct, I just checked man resolv.conf, Up to MAXNS (currently 3, see <resolv.h>) |
| 04:56.18 | somiaj | vvande_: you could change MAXNS and recompile if you thought it important enough. |
| 04:56.23 | somiaj | vvande_: (though 3 should be plenty) |
| 04:56.31 | Kirito | somiaj, I built it off of my current Arch options and compared it with Debian with various adjustments targetting Vagrant/VirtualBox |
| 04:56.46 | vvande_ | somiaj: thank you very much. I mostly use FreeBSD and it is 3 max there, regardless of how long the list. |
| 04:57.00 | vvande_ | somiaj: and yes that's plenty. :) |
| 04:57.05 | somiaj | vvande_: yea, seems it is the same here. (: |
| 04:57.25 | somiaj | vvande_: I never noticed a limit, but I never use more than 2. Good thing man pages are around. (: |
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| 04:57.43 | hanasaki | what's the diff between the packages docker.io and docker-engine? |
| 04:57.47 | Kirito | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-ck/ is what the build is based from |
| 04:58.12 | somiaj | Kirito: well that is a suggestion. Its been a while (3.0) since I last compiled my own kernels. If all the modules for your block device/file system are included in the kernel, have you double checked it isn't just an initramfs issue |
| 04:58.26 | somiaj | Kirito: you do have to modify a file in /etc and explicity list speical modules which get included in the initramfs |
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| 05:00.09 | Kirito | What I don't understand is I have it compiled the exact same way Debian does regarding the module it is complaining about |
| 05:00.16 | Kirito | They are compiled as modules in Debian's kernel |
| 05:00.18 | Kirito | but it "just works" |
| 05:00.31 | han-solo | guys, i cannot run apt-get update :/ |
| 05:00.43 | somiaj | Kirito: again it may just be the module isn't avaialble in the initramfs, which is different than complining it with the kernel |
| 05:01.13 | somiaj | Kirito: check out /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 05:01.41 | somiaj | Kirito: if that is a non-standard block device module (or root filesystem) debian won't know to include it in initramfs (When it needs access to the module) unless you tell it to. |
| 05:01.46 | Kirito | The file is currently empty, should I just throw everything that's erroring in the above screenshot in there? |
| 05:02.21 | Kirito | The filesystem is ext4, which is compiled into the kernel |
| 05:02.26 | somiaj | Kirito: this does make the initramfs bigger, so 'everything' may be overkill, but yes you need access to the modules in the initramfs (before it mounts the root filesystem) |
| 05:03.27 | somiaj | Kirito: again it has been a while since I've done this. But the error you are getting is still in the initramfs stage (the root filesystem has not been mounted). Since it has not been mounted, it may not have access to the modules it needs to mount it. |
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| 05:03.50 | Kirito | Yeah, that's what I was thinking, and why the whole thing confuses me |
| 05:04.00 | Kirito | I'll do that and see what I can get out of it, thanks |
| 05:04.11 | somiaj | Kirito: I haven't been following close enough on what moduels you need, but you need to ensure they are included in the initramfs. |
| 05:04.30 | Kirito | http://imgur.com/5Qu3Qtp from earlier if you didn't see that |
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| 05:05.10 | somiaj | Kirito: also check /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf, make sure it is set to MOST modules included |
| 05:05.44 | Kirito | atkbd seems to be the keyboard module, which explains why I can't use the fallback shell. It is set to MOST as well, I checked that earlier today |
| 05:06.21 | somiaj | Kirito: well my two suggestions are 1) Play around with the initramfs settings to ensure the modules are available. |
| 05:06.40 | somiaj | Kirito: 2) Start with a debian config (not the arch one you are using) and modify the settings you need from there |
| 05:07.17 | Kirito | Ah, throwing the lines in the modules conig for initramfs just causes the same errors to display earlier |
| 05:07.24 | Kirito | modprobe module not found in modules.dep |
| 05:07.42 | somiaj | Kirito: are you building them as modules or including them in the kernel? |
| 05:07.57 | Kirito | Modules. The Debian kernel is too |
| 05:10.35 | Abbott | somiaj: a program I like requires 2.7.10 and jessie comes with 2.7.9. Strech has 2.7.11 though |
| 05:11.06 | altker128 | Thanks all for your help. Gnight! |
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| 05:11.19 | Abbott | somiaj: is a dist upgrade to stretch viable yet? |
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| 05:11.31 | somiaj | Abbott: you can run testing if you want, though you get all the bugs with it |
| 05:11.52 | han-solo | hello? |
| 05:11.54 | somiaj | Abbott: What kind of program (shell or graphical)? |
| 05:12.33 | somiaj | Abbott: also on the program, how big of a requirement, could it be possible ot modify the program to run on 2.7.9 or 3.2.X (forget what is in jessie) |
| 05:12.54 | Abbott | somiaj: it's a python program that binds a webui to a port for me to interact with (I think that's how to describe it) |
| 05:13.15 | somiaj | Abbott: and the webui configures your system? |
| 05:13.22 | cafuego | deluge? |
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| 05:13.25 | Abbott | I wouldn't know enough to modify the program to run on 2.7.9 and to my understanding, python3 isn't fully backwards compatible with python 2.7, is it? |
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| 05:13.35 | somiaj | Abbott: no there are differences. |
| 05:13.50 | somiaj | Abbott: some programs can run in either, some won't. |
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| 05:14.21 | somiaj | Abbott: I'm just wondering if running it in a chroot would help, but this depends on what your needs of the program are. |
| 05:14.24 | somiaj | Abbott: what program is it? |
| 05:14.27 | Rusty1 | would virtualenv be an option? |
| 05:14.54 | Abbott | SiCKRAGE, a fork of SickBeard |
| 05:15.00 | somiaj | Abbott: but I would really suggest changing the python version that comes with jessie as a last last resort (there could be unknown consequences for changing the python version) |
| 05:15.25 | Abbott | somiaj: so you would recommend upgrading to testing over backporting a newer version of python then? |
| 05:15.35 | Abbott | (if the program can't run with python3) |
| 05:15.43 | somiaj | Abbott: I would say see if you can run it in a testing chroot or maybe a testing virt. |
| 05:15.55 | somiaj | Abbott: I don't recommend upgrading to testing (unless you want the fun of playing with bugs) |
| 05:16.53 | cafuego | you could always spin up a VM or container to run (or test) the app in, with its own config. |
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| 05:17.33 | Abbott | I've heard of chroot and virtualenv before, but I've never used either. Would one be better than the other? what are the key differences? |
| 05:18.49 | somiaj | Abbott: another option is maybe look for a slightly older version of program that will run with the python in jessie. |
| 05:19.42 | somiaj | Abbott: Usually a give and tank between security, configurablity, etc |
| 05:20.03 | somiaj | Abbott: chroots to me are easy to use, but they are considered insecure (which I don't think is much of an issue for your ussage) |
| 05:20.43 | cafuego | virtualenv I think may be mightweight and (in theory) easier to setup. |
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| 05:24.03 | han-solo | hey, i can't d0 apt-get update |
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| 05:24.30 | Abbott | what's the scope of these setups? will the virtualenv have a testing version of debian in them or just a newer version of python |
| 05:24.49 | cafuego | Just a newer python (I think) |
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| 05:25.32 | Rusty1 | http://virtualenv.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ |
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| 05:53.15 | dka | Hi |
| 05:53.26 | dka | I have added some iptables command in /etc/rc.local to get some interface up on reboot. The eth2 and eth3 interface are up at reboot, but not pip0. I have to tip the command myself, can anyone explain me why ? |
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| 05:54.06 | dka | http://pastebin.com/n2weBdje |
| 05:54.19 | cafuego | dka: Usually you'd attach commands in the interfaces file, with either 'up' or 'down' as indication of when they should run. |
| 05:55.11 | cafuego | aaaaaand interfaces too |
| 05:56.09 | dka | I prefere the command line than using /etc/network/interface. By command line I mean I wan't to script the interface installation, the /etc/network/interface file doesn't fit for my needs |
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| 05:56.34 | dka | could you tell me from my pastbin, why does the latest interface can't start when the script is executed ? |
| 05:56.46 | cafuego | no idea |
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| 05:57.05 | somiaj | could be a timing issue |
| 05:57.44 | somiaj | dka: just courious what the interface file doesn't allow you to do? rc.local is run very last, so services which want the interfaces up have to wait, may fail. |
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| 05:58.12 | cafuego | I mean, the pastebin contains ipip0 and not pip0, I assume that's just a typo on irc though. |
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| 05:58.21 | somiaj | dka: you $LOG_FILE doesn't have any issues as to what the error is? |
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| 05:58.50 | cafuego | somiaj: stderr isn't logged :-/ |
| 05:59.02 | somiaj | ahh yea |
| 05:59.04 | somiaj | good point |
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| 05:59.40 | cafuego | dka: Step 1: change '>> $LOGFILE' to '>> $LOGFILE 2>&1' |
| 05:59.53 | cafuego | If any errors occur, they'll be logged. |
| 05:59.55 | NoCode | With a Debian minimal install on my server, will iptables be in place? |
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| 06:00.15 | NoCode | I'm trying to telnet to the server to see about a configuration and the port is unable to connect. |
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| 06:00.50 | cafuego | Debian minimal definitely doesn't have telnet ;-) |
| 06:01.19 | cafuego | NoCode: A normal install doesn't set any firewalling rules, so that *ought* not be interfering. |
| 06:01.40 | somiaj | NoCode: debian doesn't include a firewall by deafult, you hvae to configure it |
| 06:02.25 | NoCode | hrm |
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| 06:10.05 | dka | cafuego, it's still loging nothing |
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| 06:11.51 | cafuego | if you run rc.local as root, does the interface come up? |
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| 06:15.28 | Kirito | What kernel config line specifically enabled the ehci-orion module? |
| 06:15.32 | Kirito | I can't for the life of me find it |
| 06:16.21 | Kirito | I don't even really beleive it should be relevant |
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| 06:25.21 | NoCode | Will ufw filter by hardware address too? Using Debian 8. |
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| 06:26.50 | somiaj | NoCode: ufw? |
| 06:27.30 | somiaj | It should be able to, but you will have to configure it to filter by hardware address |
| 06:28.09 | NoCode | Okay, I'll look into it. Thanks. :) |
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| 08:55.34 | Haris | hello all |
| 08:55.44 | Haris | how do I install libfreetype libs/headers on jessy ? |
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| 08:56.29 | Haris | libfreetype6-dev |
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| 08:58.21 | babilen | "apt-get install libfreetype6-dev" |
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| 08:58.39 | Haris | I'm getting error on --> Err http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main libpng12-dev amd64 1.2.50-2+deb8u1 and it says on the next line --> 404 Not Found [IP: 195.20.242.89 80]. Is there another mirror I can put in my sources.list |
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| 08:59.28 | Haris | I can ping the host. But I'm getting 404 |
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| 09:00.32 | Haris | perhaps http://uk.security.debian.org/ or http://security.uk.debian.org/ ? |
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| 09:03.10 | Haris | how do I resolve this issue ? |
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| 09:03.55 | Haris | sources.list generator on web is giving me what I already have in my list. what other hostname (preferably) from UK, can I have |
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| 09:04.36 | babilen | Haris: sources.list generator? |
| 09:04.56 | babilen | And that should be perfectly fine, did you try running "apt update" beforehand ? |
| 09:04.56 | Haris | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 09:05.03 | babilen | oh god .. don't use that. |
| 09:05.03 | Haris | found it from google |
| 09:05.04 | babilen | !!!! |
| 09:05.04 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 09:05.49 | Haris | running apt update |
| 09:05.55 | Haris | been a while |
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| 09:07.30 | AlexPortable | why not babilen ? |
| 09:07.35 | AlexPortable | looks quite decent |
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| 09:12.18 | Haris | ok! .. got it installed |
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| 09:13.08 | Rephlexie | if netselect-apt is on jessie it might be worth a look. |
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| 09:20.09 | svetlana | I would like Linux to recognise my two monitors while it boots, before I log in. Instead of running an xrandr script after logging in. It is kernel version 3.16.0 and it is Debian stretch/sid. |
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| 09:39.09 | msn | svetlana: before you log in? what good will 2 monitors do even if they are recognized, if you don't use xrandr the monitors should be auto detected |
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| 09:41.19 | svetlana | msn: they are detected but they mirror, they show the same content, while I would like to have 1 as main and 1 as secondary monitor |
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| 09:45.39 | msn | svetlana: which window manager are you using? |
| 09:46.09 | svetlana | msn: i do not think it matters, because i would like this to happen before i log in i.e. before the wm is started (but i am using wmaker) |
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| 09:46.57 | msn | well i am using dual monitor and it mirrors while booting but once i login my window manager(kwin) is configured to make it extended desktop and happens automatically) |
| 09:49.19 | svetlana | ok |
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| 09:49.57 | msn | svetlana: sorry not much help with wmaker |
| 09:50.12 | msn | with your window manager you couldeven swap the monitor order after login |
| 09:50.21 | msn | or arrange them top bottom |
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| 09:50.53 | Haris | I just installed Pillow==3.0.0 through pip for django 1.5. During install it said ---> *** OPENJPEG (JPEG2000) support not available <--- and it said ---> *** LIBTIFF support not available <--- among others. How do I enable support for these formats ? |
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| 10:01.02 | idlecore | What is the standard way for a developer to get his application on debian repos? |
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| 10:07.27 | Langley | Hello, my Debian 8 machine have not gotten any updates for a month or so, can that be right? |
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| 10:12.47 | idlecore | Is there a debian dev channel? I wasn't able to find one on the channel list. |
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| 10:13.30 | xVim | Langley: I am not experienced and can't answer for sure, but to me that seems rather unlikely. At least some security updates for iceweasel/chromium (https://www.debian.org/security/) I would have expected. |
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| 10:15.01 | Langley | Yes, I dont understand it either.. |
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| 10:17.41 | xVim | Did you just ran an apt-get upgrade/aptitude safe-upgrade? Or apt-get dist-upgrade/aptitude full-upgrade? |
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| 10:19.22 | Langley | No |
| 10:20.15 | xVim | What did you run then? |
| 10:20.30 | Langley | Tried with Synaptic, and just normal apt-get upgrade |
| 10:20.36 | Langley | But those you said dont find anything either |
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| 10:21.51 | xVim | Langley: I guess you updated your package lists too and did not change your sources.list - I guess I don't know more to help then. Sorry. |
| 10:22.13 | psopacua | Hi all, i have a ATI Card installed but Debian 8 did also install Nvidia drivers on my PC, can i safely run "sudo apt-get purge nvidia*" ? |
| 10:22.18 | Rephlexie | Langley, does your sources.list have a security repo? have you tried pinging it? |
| 10:23.01 | Langley | Okay it found a lot after an apt-get update |
| 10:23.09 | Langley | I thought it did that automatically? |
| 10:23.22 | xVim | No. |
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| 10:24.18 | Rephlexie | https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 10:24.27 | Langley | Not even Symantec? |
| 10:24.43 | bogus- | synaptic? |
| 10:25.23 | Langley | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:27.41 | Langley | So there's no automatic update mechanism in debian? |
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| 10:28.28 | cafuego | There are several |
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| 10:29.09 | xVim | There is no automatic update mechanism initially. You have to set it up if you want one. |
| 10:29.22 | b|ackwolf | is there any wiki page about Java 9? |
| 10:29.58 | Langley | That sounds user unfriendly... |
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| 10:30.30 | cafuego | How is 'If you want A, install A" user-unfriendly? |
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| 10:30.51 | Langley | I would imagine that everybody wants A |
| 10:31.03 | cafuego | It's better than, "We install a-Z because some people may want A, or B, or C ..." |
| 10:31.04 | Langley | So it should be included by default, as in... every other distro |
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| 10:32.08 | cafuego | I don't want A. |
| 10:32.14 | cafuego | A can break servers. |
| 10:32.42 | b|ackwolf | is aptitude just a wrapper for apt-get/apt? |
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| 10:32.48 | Langley | An update of package lists can break servers? How? |
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| 10:32.50 | cafuego | b|ackwolf: No |
| 10:33.10 | b|ackwolf | cafuego: would give me a wiki or something about that? |
| 10:33.16 | cafuego | Langley: updating a package list != automatic update mechanism |
| 10:33.35 | cafuego | b|ackwolf: Sorry, that's all I know... |
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| 10:34.14 | Langley | What's the difference? |
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| 10:34.33 | xVim | b|ackwolf: Just enter 'debian wiki aptitude' to google. Same for apt-get. And then enter differences. |
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| 10:35.28 | xVim | should stop only recommending google. |
| 10:35.28 | cafuego | b|ackwolf: aptitude originally did better dependency conflict resolution and kept a log of co-installed apckages, easy for cleanup. But I think that functionality was added to apt as well since |
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| 10:35.41 | cafuego | b|ackwolf: I don't know the specifics. |
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| 10:35.59 | xVim | cafuego: I think they share the same database now, apt-get and aptitude. |
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| 10:36.10 | cafuego | they always did |
| 10:36.22 | cafuego | var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 10:36.26 | GreasedUpCactus | They are (almost) interchangeable |
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| 10:37.57 | psopacua | Hi all, i have a ATI Card installed but Debian 8 did also install Nvidia drivers on my PC, can i safely run "sudo apt-get purge nvidia*" ? |
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| 10:38.49 | cafuego | b|ackwolf: the upgrade docs say to NOT use aptitude, but use apt-get, so i expect there's a difference still. |
| 10:38.50 | cafuego | psopacua: yes |
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| 10:45.26 | psopacua | cafuego: thankyou :). |
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| 10:52.55 | psopacua | hmm cafuego i got a message it also removed fglrx-driver =x |
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| 11:15.15 | tinyhippo | I'm struggling with upgrading openssh-server on one of our servers, and I receive the following from apt-get: http://dpaste.com/32ZP1FC - what would you recommend I do? |
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| 11:19.41 | jelly | tinyhippo: are you mixing repos from two different debian releases? That's a very bad idea. |
| 11:19.56 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 11:19.56 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for ALL packages involved, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:20.07 | jelly | tinyhippo: ^^ provide all of the above |
| 11:21.13 | grawity | where could I ask for additional features in a package? ocserv finally got packaged for Debian, but without RADIUS support :( |
| 11:21.38 | jelly | grawity: hm, file a Priority: wishlist bug? |
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| 11:21.58 | jelly | unless there's one already filed |
| 11:22.28 | tinyhippo | jelly: so remove the sid repos from the sources.list and try to restore it from that point onwards? |
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| 11:23.37 | jelly | tinyhippo: if this installation is not supposed to be sid "release" then yes |
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| 11:24.10 | jelly | tinyhippo: restore what, tho? |
| 11:24.47 | jelly | best pastebin all the requested info |
| 11:25.42 | tinyhippo | jelly: meaning there are probably packages (such as perl in that paste) that are stuck at 5.14 due to being installed via sid repos to the versions that are in squeeze? |
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| 11:28.02 | Coquerlard | hi there yung buckleheads I need to add kernel parameters to an EFI boot entry made with bcfg in a EFI shell, any idea what option to use in order to do so ? |
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| 11:28.22 | jelly | tinyhippo: I... can't parse that sentence in a way that would make sense, but I'm going to assume you tried to do something silly and will wait for the requested info. |
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| 11:30.07 | jelly | tinyhippo: adding a binary source repo from a newer release than what's installed counts as silly |
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| 11:30.45 | jelly | trying to install something from that repo crosses the line from silly into foolish |
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| 11:34.30 | jelly | ,v openssh-server |
| 11:34.32 | judd | Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security-lts: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze8; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1; sid: 1:7.1p2-2; stretch: 1:7.1p2-2 |
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| 11:36.57 | jelly | tinyhippo: however neither the version you want to install nor the version that is installed already seems to match squeeze (and 1:5.9p1-5 isn't part of _any_ release) |
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| 11:38.12 | tinyhippo | jelly: hmm. I started a new job on Monday and this is the first time I've been allowed to SSH to boxes to try and resolve issues. So I have no idea how this box has ended up like this. |
| 11:38.42 | jelly | it was likely broken for a long time |
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| 11:39.14 | tinyhippo | jelly: I'll recommend ditching it and starting again, I think |
| 11:39.54 | jelly | I don't want to guess before I can see actual system state |
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| 11:41.13 | jelly | tinyhippo: but if it's easy to reinstall and set services up, then sure |
| 11:41.28 | jelly | !goal |
| 11:41.28 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 11:42.50 | starfallen | when i use sudo make install, it installs to /usr/local/bin, how do i change it to /usr/bin/ for everything? |
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| 11:43.44 | grawity | jelly: thanks, how does one do that with reportbug? |
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| 11:44.45 | grawity | starfallen: best not do that, at least use checkinstall (if that's still a thing these days)... don't make a total mess out of your /usr. |
| 11:44.56 | grawity | starfallen: but the path is usually given to ./configure --prefix= |
| 11:45.13 | starfallen | ok ty |
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| 11:47.27 | jelly | grawity: just set the severity level to wishlist when it asks you |
| 11:47.33 | grawity | ah, severity |
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| 11:51.51 | jelly | tinyhippo: depending on what you actually need to do with it right now, there may be a faster way to fix it up temporarily |
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| 12:31.34 | JZA | hi is there a package that will audit your packages installed on your debian distro and maybe have stats on which package is the most used? |
| 12:31.37 | JZA | hi is there a package that will audit your packages installed on your debian distro and maybe have stats on which package is the most used? |
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| 12:36.20 | Mathisen | anyone know of a way to sync a dropbox folder into a seafile server |
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| 12:53.27 | Skyrider | Does anyone happen to know some kind of one way sync & remove local copy for whenever a new file is being spotted AND filesize has not been changed for xxx seconds. |
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| 12:54.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
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| 13:06.59 | Maai | is openJDK 8 having trouble installing today? |
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| 13:11.21 | blind | Maai: No issues here. |
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| 13:26.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi guys i am trying to get my 4 screens to work i have used differnt resolutions and the amdcccle keeps saying i don't have enough memory |
| 13:26.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | Monitor 1 (DVI to DVI): 1440x900 |
| 13:26.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | Monitor 2 (DVI to Displayport): 1440x900 |
| 13:26.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | bah |
| 13:26.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry |
| 13:26.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/YciF here are my details |
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| 13:28.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | i keep trying different configurations i seem to be only able to keep two running at a time, :( |
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| 13:31.09 | Maai | blind: says in terminal after 'openjdk-8-jdk' , no installation candidate.. |
| 13:31.17 | Simplar | Hello, my Debian 7 machine freezes up after console passes okay... What can be wrong with it? Thanks for any hint. |
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| 13:31.44 | blind | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 13:31.45 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u72-b05-6; jessie-backports: 8u72-b15-1~bpo8+1; sid: 8u72-b15-1 |
| 13:32.21 | blind | Maai: you're on jessie? you might need to add backports |
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| 13:32.37 | blind | dpkg: tell Maai about backports |
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| 13:33.36 | Maai | I'm pretty sure it's Jessie |
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| 13:34.25 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 13:34.29 | Filystyn | a question |
| 13:34.37 | Filystyn | anyone here connected to efnet? |
| 13:34.45 | Filystyn | Seem to be unable to bust in. |
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| 13:35.38 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
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| 13:36.24 | blind | Still haven't learned how to ask questions properly. Also not sure if this is a great question for #debian - sounds more like an -offtopic thing. |
| 13:37.00 | Filystyn | point right channel |
| 13:37.07 | carandraug | I deleted the password of my account with 'passwd -d' while experimenting. I forgot that then I couldn't sudo. I'm trying to add it back. Short of adding it mysefl in a recovery session, is there anything I can do remotely? |
| 13:37.24 | Filystyn | ok i connected seems most of their servers do not work. |
| 13:37.32 | Filystyn | thx anyway blind for your "input" |
| 13:37.38 | blind | carandraug: su to root? |
| 13:37.46 | carandraug | able to do it remotely would save me having to go to the building next door :p |
| 13:37.58 | carandraug | blind: root account is disabled |
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| 13:38.12 | blind | Ah, then I'm not sure. |
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| 13:38.33 | carandraug | there's only one other account on this system, and the other doesn't even have sudo permissions |
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| 13:39.06 | carandraug | blind: yeah, I thought that there wouldn't be a way. Teaches me right, experimenting on this system |
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| 13:40.30 | carandraug | oh well. Off I go outside to the other building |
| 13:40.37 | carandraug | blind: thank you anyway |
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| 13:47.17 | Maai | blind: how about I download Java 7 or 6 instead? |
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| 13:48.01 | Maai | or update Debian to a newer version? |
| 13:48.11 | Maai | *my Debian |
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| 13:50.19 | opv | hi all - i'm running into a little issue running debian jessie - i'm trying to stop the drbd module from being autoloaded at boot, following the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting - needless to say, it doesn't work. what am i missing? |
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| 13:51.51 | wzr7362 | opv: maybe you need to run update-initramfs to propagate the blacklist config into the initial ramfs |
| 13:52.26 | wzr7362 | opv: i don't know if the drbd is included in initramfs though |
| 13:52.26 | opv | wzr7362: "depmod-ae && update-initramfs -u", already done according to the instructions on the webpage. what else could i be missing? |
| 13:52.39 | wzr7362 | opv: hmm. dunno. |
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| 13:53.30 | wzr7362 | opv: which config file was changed in order to blacklist the module? |
| 13:53.35 | slikts | what's a good way to install php 7 in jessie? |
| 13:53.36 | blind | Maai: if you're on jessie, you can add the backports repo and get openjdk 8. Do /msg dpkg jessie backports -- or if you want to install 7, it's just openjdk-7-jdk |
| 13:54.23 | opv | wzr7362: i created a new file "drbd.conf" in /etc/modprobe.d with the content "blacklist drbd" |
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| 13:55.23 | Simplar | so, how can i debug on why debian 7 freezes after console? |
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| 13:58.29 | wzr7362 | opv: you could reboot and give the boot parameter break=init . that halts the boot process in initramfs just before running the real init. check loaded modules with lsmod or cat /proc/modules. then exit the shell to continue booting. |
| 13:59.09 | Maai | ok thanks |
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| 14:02.48 | kurtdebian | hi guys |
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| 14:03.03 | kurtdebian | I read on the debian handbook that The security updates are not hosted on the usual network of Debian mirrors but on security.debian.org (on a small set of machines maintained by the Debian System Administrators). This archive contains security updates (prepared by the Debian Security Team and/or by package maintainers) for the Stable distribution |
| 14:03.03 | kurtdebian | . |
| 14:03.03 | kurtdebian | The server can also host security updates for Testing but this doesn't happen very often since those updates tend to reach Testing via the regular flow of updates coming from Unstable. |
| 14:03.25 | sjk | Hi lads |
| 14:03.50 | slikts | security.debian.org is hosted by NSA |
| 14:03.56 | sjk | I'm running jessie and need a recent version of libsane. Hoped it'd be in jessie-backports, but it's not. What should I do now? |
| 14:04.13 | opv | slikts: wut |
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| 14:05.41 | kurtdebian | this it means that stable and testing are more or less the same on the security point of view, right? |
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| 14:06.39 | blind | sjk: you could try doing the backport yourself |
| 14:06.48 | kurtdebian | testing receive security updates from unstable and from the mirror |
| 14:06.56 | kurtdebian | stable only from the mirror |
| 14:06.57 | blind | dpkg: tell sjk about simple sid backport |
| 14:07.41 | kurtdebian | am I wrong? |
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| 14:08.17 | sjk | blind: hmm! |
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| 14:17.23 | sjk | blind: it looks like libsane is available as a 'source package' (or whatever it's called) as 'sane-backends' in testing |
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| 14:19.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am backkk |
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| 14:34.15 | Tundra | Hi all. Is there a way to use a download accelerator like axel or aria2 without using apt-fast? |
| 14:35.05 | Tundra | I wonder is there's a more "native" way of changing the download method |
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| 14:43.27 | lumiette | waves, "Hello everyone." |
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| 14:44.04 | lumiette | I'm trying to install my NVidia proprietary drivers, but now that I've done that, xinit won't init, because it can't find my screen. |
| 14:44.32 | lumiette | Does anyone know what i should do? Browsing the internet with a text browser isn't my idea of fun, especially since I'm getting solutions for all sorts of other distros EXCEPT debian. |
| 14:44.59 | nkuttler | lumiette: how did you install it? |
| 14:45.18 | lumiette | using: sudo apt-get install nvidia-drivers |
| 14:45.43 | nkuttler | ,v nvidia-drivers |
| 14:45.44 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-drivers' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:45.57 | nkuttler | lumiette: that's not a debian package, is that from nvidia? |
| 14:46.07 | lumiette | I had to add contrib and non-free to my repos |
| 14:46.12 | markybob | they have a bin. not packages |
| 14:46.20 | markybob | lumiette, that's still not what you used |
| 14:46.39 | nkuttler | lumiette: apt-cache policy nvidia-drivers |
| 14:47.01 | nkuttler | !tell lumiette about nvidia dkms |
| 14:47.14 | lumiette | Ah sorry, it's driver* not drivers. Says it's installed though |
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| 14:47.58 | markybob | lumiette, apt-get remove it. and i'm assuming you're using testing? |
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| 14:48.45 | lumiette | I thought I was using stable >.>; I'm new to Debian and not an experienced nix user to begin with |
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| 14:48.54 | lumiette | But I refuse to use Ubuntu. |
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| 14:49.20 | markybob | lumiette, lsb_release -a |
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| 14:50.00 | lumiette | Debian GNU/Linux 8.3 (jessie) |
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| 14:50.11 | nkuttler | lumiette: check the msg the bot sent you |
| 14:50.15 | markybob | interesting. |
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| 14:51.10 | lumiette | Will do! Sorry, i didn't notice. I'm using irssi right now (wotj a malfunctioning scrollback) |
| 14:51.13 | lumiette | with* |
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| 14:54.47 | rgr | jessie is stable. |
| 14:54.59 | rgr | oh I see |
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| 14:55.19 | lumiette | Sorry for the long absence, I was manually copying what you sent me nkuttler :) |
| 14:55.58 | lumiette | nkuttler: So after I've restarted, what should I expect? |
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| 14:56.21 | nkuttler | lumiette: well, hopefully you get your xserver up |
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| 14:59.19 | lumiette | Alright, I'll check back in post reboot :) Thanks for the help ^.^ |
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| 15:03.21 | nkuttler | lumiette: what isn't working? |
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| 15:11.07 | lumiette | let's try this again |
| 15:11.10 | lumiette | Aesome, no errors |
| 15:11.32 | lumiette | That is, I can actually send something to the channel again. Xserver still refuses to start though |
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| 15:12.10 | lumiette | Fatal server error: (EE) no screens found(EE) |
| 15:12.43 | slikts | debian is really missing something like launchpad ppas |
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| 15:14.00 | markybob | no it's not. it makes it impossible to support |
| 15:14.23 | slikts | I'm just sick of jumping through hoops to get any recent software |
| 15:14.55 | markybob | slikts, backports isn't jumping through hoops |
| 15:15.03 | rgr | then dont use debian stable. or use backports. |
| 15:15.18 | rgr | if you want a crappy release on time not quality OS then try Ubuntu. |
| 15:15.39 | Ghostbird | I'm very happy with stretch at the moment. |
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| 15:15.48 | jeddi | slikts: can you explain what features of launchpad pps you find desirable? |
| 15:16.31 | nkuttler | !tell lumiette about nopaste |
| 15:16.44 | nkuttler | lumiette: paste the output of the entire apt-get command you run |
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| 15:17.18 | slikts | jeddi: easy installation of recent software packages |
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| 15:17.41 | jeddi | slikts: debian has that in the shape of backports. or by adopting Testing or Unstable branches. |
| 15:17.45 | slikts | not having to do crap like building common software |
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| 15:18.16 | jeddi | slikts: I'm not sure what you're looking for -- it sounds like you prefer to use Ubuntu, so this may not be the right IRC channel for you to be in. |
| 15:18.41 | slikts | jeddi: I'm in this channel because I use debian |
| 15:18.56 | jeddi | slikts: right. but you don't like using Debian? |
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| 15:18.59 | nkuttler | slikts: debian stable is about being stable. if that's not what you want, install something else |
| 15:19.27 | markybob | he still has not responded to any mentions of backports |
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| 15:19.51 | slikts | markybob: I have, I don't want to build common software |
| 15:20.02 | jeddi | slikts: i've not had to 'build common software' in years. what common software are you building? |
| 15:20.22 | jelly | slikts: be more specific if you want concrete suggestios |
| 15:20.23 | markybob | slikts, you don't with backports |
| 15:20.24 | jeddi | slikts: i'll note that i've been using debian since last century, btw. |
| 15:20.24 | nkuttler | i pretty often have to build pillow.. |
| 15:20.29 | markybob | slikts, they're prebuilt |
| 15:20.34 | markybob | !tell slikts about backports |
| 15:20.35 | slikts | markybob: backporting is |
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| 15:20.45 | slikts | building it by yourself |
| 15:20.48 | jelly | jeddi: I've just had to build youtube-dl~!!!1 |
| 15:20.52 | lumiette | nkuttler: that'll be inside the /etc/X11/xorg-conf.d/20somethinoranother file right? |
| 15:20.58 | markybob | slikts, not backporting. http://backports.debian.org are prebuilt for you |
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| 15:21.03 | nkuttler | lumiette: that? |
| 15:21.07 | jeddi | ii youtube-dl 2015.11.27.1-1 |
| 15:21.16 | jeddi | jelly: what version are you running now? that's mine. |
| 15:21.19 | nkuttler | lumiette: pastebin the output of the dkms command |
| 15:21.28 | lumiette | The output of the apt-get command you gave me earlier. |
| 15:22.03 | jelly | ii youtube-dl 2016.01.23-0.jelly.1 |
| 15:22.07 | slikts | markybob: it doesn't have php 7 |
| 15:22.16 | slikts | markybob: and unstable doesn't have php7-xdebug in the first place |
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| 15:22.18 | markybob | slikts, no. dotdeb does. still don't have to build |
| 15:22.30 | jeddi | jelly: i'm impressed that you've found something you shouldn't be downloading that uses some feature only available int he past 8 weeks :) |
| 15:22.32 | slikts | so how is dotdeb better than launchpad ppas? |
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| 15:22.42 | jelly | jeddi: I blame dailymotion |
| 15:22.43 | markybob | slikts, you're complaining about problems that don't exist because apparently you don't know what you're talking about |
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| 15:22.52 | lumiette | nkuttler: sorry to be this dense, but what dkms command? |
| 15:23.03 | jeddi | jelly: of course, the most recent ubuntu stable (or indeed the most recent ubuntu release) wouldn't have 2016-01 software in it either, so probably not a solution for our aggravated friend here. |
| 15:23.04 | jelly | but the bug's been there for a couple months |
| 15:23.34 | jeddi | slikts: i think a lot of us would be happier if debian removed all php from the distro. |
| 15:23.43 | nkuttler | !tell lumiette about nvidia dkms |
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| 15:24.05 | slikts | jeddi: smug much? I don't use php either, just need it in this instance |
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| 15:24.10 | jelly | slikts: launchpad builder infrastructure only builds binaries for ubuntu releases, so if you want to use those, it's better to use ubuntu as distro |
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| 15:24.29 | jeddi | slikts: point being i think you've misunderstood the point of the word 'stable' in the phrase 'debian stable' |
| 15:24.46 | jeddi | slikts: it sounds like you'd be better off adopting the debian unstable, or perhaps debian testing, branches. |
| 15:24.54 | slikts | jeddi: unstable doesn't have php 7 xdebug either |
| 15:24.58 | jelly | ,v php7-xdebug |
| 15:24.59 | judd | No package named 'php7-xdebug' was found in amd64. |
| 15:25.07 | jeddi | slikts: perhaps you could package it? |
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| 15:25.10 | slikts | and afaics dotdeb doesn't either |
| 15:25.26 | jeddi | slikts: it may take less time than convincing everyone here that ubuntu does it right. |
| 15:25.42 | jeddi | slikts: and as a bonus, you get php7 packages. |
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| 15:25.57 | jeddi | slikts: which, as I say, isn't something anyone should really want. but anyhoo... |
| 15:26.00 | slikts | jeddi: pls tell me how is dotdeb any better than lunchpad ppas |
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| 15:26.12 | TomasCZ | anyone being a guru for Sierra wireless? |
| 15:26.13 | jeddi | slikts: i've never used dotdeb or lunchpad ppas. |
| 15:26.43 | slikts | I'm not finding any php 7 packages in backports |
| 15:26.48 | markybob | http://packages.ubuntu.com/php7-xdebug doesn't have it either |
| 15:27.01 | jelly | ,v php7.0 |
| 15:27.01 | markybob | slikts, i already told you backports dont have it. dotdeb takes care of that |
| 15:27.01 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.0-4; sid: 7.0.2-5; stretch: 7.0.2-5 |
| 15:27.17 | slikts | markybob: so how is dotdeb better than launchpad ppas? |
| 15:27.38 | slikts | it doesn't have a common tool like xdebug |
| 15:27.48 | markybob | i give up |
| 15:27.51 | TomasCZ | Ok, a question how am I suppose to join debian-next channel, if it's invite only? |
| 15:27.55 | jeddi | https://www.google.com.au/search?q=php+7+packages+for+debian .... appears php7.0.0 is available for jessie via dotdeb (second hit). i've really never heard of dotdeb. fascinating. |
| 15:27.56 | jelly | slikts: you can always ask the dotdeb people to build it |
| 15:28.00 | lumiette | nkuttler: Uhmn... App::Nopaste::Service::Codepeek: No form defined at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste/Service/Codepeek.pm line 19. |
| 15:28.04 | markybob | TomasCZ, it's on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
| 15:28.31 | TomasCZ | markybob, copy. Have that network open. Thanks! |
| 15:28.36 | slikts | markybob: no pls tell me how is dotdeb better? it's just more closed than launchpad ppas and as a consequence more out of date |
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| 15:29.04 | jelly | slikts: you're repeating yourself. Can we help you with an actual tech issue, instead? |
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| 15:29.36 | slikts | markybob: and btw there's a ppa for php7 xdebug |
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| 15:30.15 | Patat | Hello? |
| 15:30.16 | slikts | I could package xdebug, but then what? there's no easy way to publish that |
| 15:30.25 | jeddi | slikts: it sounds like you may be more productive writing php7 packages for jessie? |
| 15:30.41 | jeddi | Patat: yes. |
| 15:30.47 | Patat | what is this |
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| 15:30.59 | lumiette | Patat: Could you be more specific? |
| 15:31.14 | Patat | what is this channel |
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| 15:31.20 | slikts | jeddi: I'll probably save time installing a different os instead |
| 15:31.28 | jeddi | slikts: that may save lots of time, yes. |
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| 15:31.34 | nkuttler | lumiette: nopaste -s Shadowcat seems to work |
| 15:31.40 | jeddi | slikts: but .. before you do .. php? seriously? come on. |
| 15:31.45 | lumiette | Patat: It's a place to ask debian related questions |
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| 15:32.09 | slikts | jeddi: and also get away from this smugness |
| 15:32.20 | jeddi | slikts: yeah, well, that's not going to happen. |
| 15:32.33 | Filystyn | php is ok |
| 15:33.02 | jelly | jeddi: clearly we're not able to help slikts, so let him move on |
| 15:33.09 | jeddi | if i'm at a restaurant, and the waitperson asks if the food is okay, and i think 'yeah, it's okay'.... i'm not coming back. |
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| 15:33.31 | Patat | what is debian? |
| 15:33.37 | jelly | !debian |
| 15:33.37 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 15:33.38 | jeddi | have they fixed the needle / haystack confusion in php7? |
| 15:33.42 | Filystyn | it's from Deb and Ian |
| 15:33.49 | jelly | jeddi: drop it |
| 15:33.58 | Quatroking | what's some good software for widgets on my desktop, kinda like Rainmeter? |
| 15:34.05 | slikts | jeddi: chances are you know fuck all about php anyway, and I'm the last person to defend php |
| 15:34.09 | lumiette | nkuttler: Same error, now line 113 |
| 15:34.12 | Filystyn | jeddi what did php do to you |
| 15:34.37 | nkuttler | lumiette: which command are you actually running? |
| 15:34.43 | jelly | slikts: like wise. Unless you have tech questions about debian to ask, keep it civil and quiet |
| 15:35.20 | jeddi | i've written some lengthy stuff in php, and sysadmin'd some pretty large systems that were written in it. anyway. not really the point. php7 isn't available in native or dotdeb repos, so it's moot at this point. |
| 15:35.25 | Filystyn | Patat Ian was recently probably killed so now it's mor like Deb system. |
| 15:35.26 | lumiette | nkuttler: That giant command the bot last gave me, pipelined through nopaste so <giantcommand> | nopaste (just now with -s Shadowcat added) |
| 15:35.26 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 15:35.26 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 15:35.50 | slikts | php7 is in dotdeb, just not the xdebug extension |
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| 15:36.03 | jelly | !dotdeb |
| 15:36.03 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 15:36.25 | Filystyn | why do you not support? |
| 15:36.28 | jelly | slikts, you can get tech support for dotdeb there ^^ |
| 15:36.35 | nkuttler | Filystyn: it's not debian |
| 15:36.45 | Filystyn | so what >.< |
| 15:36.45 | Patat | okay thank you |
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| 15:36.51 | Filystyn | Np |
| 15:36.54 | Patat | jelly++ |
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| 15:38.56 | slikts | I've borked a system using dotdeb at least once before |
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| 15:39.25 | jelly | slikts: you're not the only one, their packaging was subpar in the past |
| 15:39.27 | Filystyn | not a joke but i won't bring it further. |
| 15:39.27 | slikts | in any case, it's the same drawbacks as launchpad ppas with none of the advantages |
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| 15:40.28 | jeddi | slikts: it's really not clear what you're expecting will happen here. if you want to start packaging xdebug & php7 & whatever else, you can go through the process of becoming a debian maintainer, and start packaging these things up into the official repos. |
| 15:40.31 | jelly | PPAs come from as unknown sources as dotdeb, but in context of this channel their major issue is.. ppa infrastructure doesn't build anything for debian release, only ubuntu ones |
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| 15:41.02 | jeddi | slikts: if you think you can direct what volunteers spend their time on, you're going to be very disappointed with the reality. |
| 15:41.26 | slikts | jeddi: the reason debian won't get a system like that is the cultural attitude of hostility to users |
| 15:41.36 | jeddi | slikts: i really don't think that's the reason. |
| 15:41.46 | jelly | slikts: also, it takes a lot of resources |
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| 15:43.07 | jeddi | it's conceivable that no one wants a system like that. after all, one exists, and is available for people that want such a system. and, of course, there are genuine questions as to how effective, stable, safe, etc that system is. |
| 15:43.23 | jeddi | s/no one wants/no one here wants/ |
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| 15:43.39 | slikts | jeddi: yes, clearly no one wants it, that's why dotdeb exists |
| 15:43.45 | slikts | because no one wants it |
| 15:44.08 | slikts | no one here uses dotdeb either, right? or they do and it's just worse than launchpad ppas |
| 15:44.25 | jeddi | slikts: anyway, i refer you back to my earlier observation -- i'm not sure what you expect to happen as a result of your complaints here. if you genuinely want these packages to exist, there's a process by which you can generate them and get them into the repo. |
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| 15:44.53 | Johann | slikts: so you dislike debian's philosophy. It's fine, but I don't really understand what's the point to debate about that on a debian support channel |
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| 15:44.59 | jeddi | tilting at the #debian windmills will not result in php7 & xdebug deb's appearing. |
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| 15:45.07 | jelly | Johann, jeddi: move on |
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| 15:45.54 | jelly | slikts: I've quieted you for 10 minutes, if you want to continue discuss it in #debian-offtopic and keep this channel for support. Same goes for everyone else. |
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| 15:47.27 | Ivoah | Is netatalk not in the debian repos anymore? |
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| 15:51.25 | higuita | main repo have this: http://ftp.plusline.de/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl-base_5.20.2-3+deb8u3_arm64.deb |
| 15:51.32 | higuita | but security have this: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/p/perl/perl-base_5.20.2-3+deb8u2_amd64.deb |
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| 15:53.05 | higuita | shouldn't the security have the latest version or have the previous one removed when the new one is deployed to the main repo? |
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| 15:59.18 | Johann | higuita: no, package are only upload to the security repo if it corrects a security breakage. |
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| 15:59.53 | Johann | Still some package might be updated for other reasons in order to correct various bugs that aren't related to security |
| 16:00.07 | Johann | thus have a newer version in the main than in the security |
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| 16:08.49 | moonpunter | But APT always picks the latest from its choices, right? |
| 16:09.15 | bazhang | apart from pinning |
| 16:09.37 | bazhang | !pinning |
| 16:09.38 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 16:11.13 | zykotick9 | remembers someone here saying something along the line of "those that understand pinning, know not to use it" |
| 16:11.45 | bazhang | same with ppa and ubuntu |
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| 16:12.46 | Ivoah | I'm trying to install netatalk, but it doesn't appear to be in the debian repos anymore |
| 16:12.47 | moonpunter | So that would be the appropriate thing to let someone know who only wanted to update their XFCE4. Nice. Never had occurred to me there might be a semi-sane way to backport certain packages without making users go through hell. You know Bitcoin uses an old-old version of either boost or bdb, don't remember, and their maintainers include it so that people don't have to muck about trying to... |
| 16:12.48 | moonpunter | ...self-backport. |
| 16:13.30 | bazhang | ,v netatalk |
| 16:13.32 | judd | Package: netatalk on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.2-2; wheezy: 2.2.2-1; sid: 2.2.5-1+b1 |
| 16:13.39 | lumiette | is there a framebuffer gui or something? |
| 16:13.56 | nedstark | you could probably use the wheezy package in jessie |
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| 16:14.59 | nedstark | i've seen packages in testing and jessie that were less stable than the brand new one not even in sid yet |
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| 16:18.28 | ashnur | hi, i thought if I set something in /etc/profile, that file will sourced when a user logs in through ssh |
| 16:18.37 | ashnur | but apparently it isn't, what I am doing wrong? |
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| 16:19.21 | ashnur | it's SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2 (2016-01-02) |
| 16:19.51 | ashnur | (jessie) |
| 16:20.49 | tled | ashnur: https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables says that the file is read (from what I understand) when bash starts |
| 16:21.25 | ashnur | oh, i just realized, i have zsh installed :( |
| 16:21.27 | ashnur | thanks tled |
| 16:21.30 | tled | hehe |
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| 16:30.16 | JZA | hi is there a package that will audit your packages installed on your debian distro and maybe have stats on which package is the most used? |
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| 16:30.55 | greycat | I'm not sure if popularity-contest can be used for that, but it comes close at least. |
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| 16:34.59 | moonpunter | I thought popularity-contest was about packages chosen to install, or is it also about usage? |
| 16:35.08 | spleen | Hello all, i have some problem with ssh on my server. I use ssh in several scripts on a hundred of server, and i often have the error : ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer |
| 16:35.30 | greycat | ,popcon rxvt-unicode |
| 16:35.31 | judd | Popcon data for rxvt-unicode: inst: 2525, vote: 1008, old: 1305, recent: 212, nofiles: 0 |
| 16:35.35 | spleen | Is there anbody have an idea ? |
| 16:35.55 | greycat | It tracks "old" and "recent", by doing some crazy timestamp stuff on each package's files. |
| 16:35.57 | spleen | modify timeout parameter in sshdconfig ? somthing like that ? |
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| 16:37.15 | moonpunter | I wonder if that Journal app I saw quite awhile ago that tracked your usage. It didn't list out the packages it would just list off what your computer had been up to in a journal way. |
| 16:37.30 | moonpunter | But it might have stats or something. |
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| 16:45.52 | nootan | What happens if I add sources for both "sid" and "testing" in sources.list ? |
| 16:46.04 | greycat | You're basically running sid. |
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| 16:46.34 | nootan | I need to install libqt4-gui which is not available in testing, but I want to stick to testing |
| 16:46.38 | nootan | Is there any workaround? |
| 16:46.42 | greycat | A significant number of pacakges will have a higher version number in sid than in testing, and that's what you'll end up with. |
| 16:46.48 | greycat | !ssb |
| 16:46.48 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 16:47.33 | JZA | moonpunter: well there was an audit tool that will track the usage of a package on the system. |
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| 16:47.41 | JZA | or a binary from a package on the system. |
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| 16:49.26 | nootan | It's in wheezy-backports , does it help? // greycat |
| 16:49.45 | greycat | If the version in wheezy-backports is the version you want, you can try that. |
| 16:50.07 | greycat | Mixing releases is dodgy, and testing is not supported here, though. Ask in #debian-next on OFTC if you have any further concerns. |
| 16:50.33 | nootan | Ok. Thanks! |
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| 17:12.05 | gustavohmsilva | hi guys |
| 17:12.39 | gustavohmsilva | I've noticed something different in my server when it is starting up but have no idea of what does that mean... |
| 17:13.03 | gustavohmsilva | it say a start job is running for LSB: MD assembly |
| 17:13.57 | greycat | md is the software RAID thing in Linux |
| 17:14.29 | gustavohmsilva | yeah, but what does it mean? |
| 17:14.39 | greycat | Do you have any md devices? |
| 17:14.47 | gustavohmsilva | it is a hardware raid, not related to any linux software, it would just show as a scsi drive |
| 17:15.00 | greycat | Then I'm guessing that md assembly doesn't do much. |
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| 17:16.02 | gustavohmsilva | idk, i guess i don't |
| 17:16.25 | gustavohmsilva | i know that for a fact my raid60 it isn't based on software |
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| 17:24.36 | laidback_01 | disable the job - it's probably just something looking for software raid arrays - just in case. |
| 17:25.00 | greycat | Or just ignore it. |
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| 17:25.42 | laidback_01 | I've not been a user of hardware raid for 15 years now, well not in production anyway... Every time, every time I screw with hardware raid just for fun, something goofy happens, and it's just not worth the time. but to each their own. |
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| 17:26.50 | markybob | laidback_01, that's just silly. i have about 20 servers with hardware raid 5...what do you mean by goofy? |
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| 17:33.05 | laidback_01 | well, usually I play with the server pulls, I've got serveral Sun X4440s, two Dell R620s, a pair of Supermicros (Penguin Computing), etc. So that's a pretty small measure. However, when I run them using Hardware raid, I simply don't get the performance as compared to using SmartOS/ZFS on them. So, that's just a difference is all, but when drives drop out of the array on the dells, that Perc controller doesn't re-add the drive to the |
| 17:33.05 | laidback_01 | array. I've had minor issues where drives fail, and it's a royal pain putting a mirror set back. You're probably on to something, It's more just a ford/chevy thing, I learned on software arrays - linux software arrays, and have moved into the Solaris ZFS raidz world, and just much prefer how it handles errors etc. My worst experience was with a Dell MD1000 which lost contact with the head unit a couple three times, and even though |
| 17:33.08 | laidback_01 | we had ANOTHER MD1000, we couldn't just =swap the drives over and re-add the array. No one knew why, I was not lead admin at the time- just a tech. |
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| 17:33.44 | SenTry | Hello |
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| 17:34.32 | laidback_01 | but that was a painful experience on proprietary raid... when you think about it, it's all software raid anyway, it's just that one is written for regular x86 hardware, the other is written for much smaller runs of dedicated hardware. |
| 17:35.01 | gustavohmsilva | good point. |
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| 17:35.58 | gustavohmsilva | this company that I'm currently working for has a bunch of servers poorly mounted or selected |
| 17:36.45 | gustavohmsilva | on eliteNAS (super micro) came with windows 2008 R2 and besides advertising themselves as NAS, If two workstations transfer content to them at the same time, I get a blue screen and a reboot |
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| 17:38.03 | gustavohmsilva | my solution? debian... It's running sweet now... but I had to use a small 1U old xeon with windows 2008 connected to the raid over SCP to be able to work with LTFS and Proprietary LTO tapes... |
| 17:38.45 | laidback_01 | there was an instance of Windows 2008 - it's specifically aimed at bing 'NAS' software. So, it probably wasn't a 'cheat', it's just they used Server 2008 R2 NAS |
| 17:39.25 | gustavohmsilva | it's just something that's necessary... there's 100 terabytes of data in LTFS and old proprietary formatted tapes here... that have to stay retrocompatible |
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| 17:40.48 | gustavohmsilva | the eliteNAS came to the company already pre configured with this 2008 R2 NAS. |
| 17:41.10 | laidback_01 | yeah, same thing, I work mostly for small hospitals (300-1000 employees) on a contract basis. Some places are really set for money, and have all kinds of cool Cisco UCS/Vmware, etc, running sweet as can be, others.... poor places, wow. Those places I put in SmartOS on their machines, automate the hound out of everything, put in the Mirth integration engine, 99% of the time they have SQL Server, so I make sure to load up SSRS/SSIS, |
| 17:41.10 | laidback_01 | setup the reporting for some of those MU reports, etc. |
| 17:42.49 | laidback_01 | oh... was going to keep going. just looked up, this is #debian, not #rantaboutclients |
| 17:43.03 | gustavohmsilva | lmfao... |
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| 17:44.05 | gustavohmsilva | check this out: http://imgur.com/1xyuEZY |
| 17:44.26 | gustavohmsilva | I've been working with this servers for 3 months now, still didn't solve half of their problems... |
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| 17:47.40 | McErroneous | Hi, I am installed "debian etch" on a machine with two displays, but the "Sony"-Monitor refuses to function properly as long as "LG 2242WT"-Monitor is connected. The Sony-Monitor would show some "unidentifyable" colors and schemes.., only the "LG"-Monitor would operate "ok". There seems to be somekind of a automated identication of screens, when the computer starts "X", because the cli-interface works on both Monitors..., how may i |
| 17:47.54 | bazhang | etch? |
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| 17:48.25 | bazhang | how many releases back is that? |
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| 17:49.11 | markybob | !release history |
| 17:49.12 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
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| 17:49.24 | markybob | a lot |
| 17:49.37 | allure | hey guys.. my server is not recognizing brazilian-portuguese accented letters, what can I do to solve this? |
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| 17:50.29 | allure | if I send a utf-8 file writen in portuguese, it wont show me stuff like é or ã, it becomes a lot of symbols |
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| 17:57.30 | debian-user | Hi! I'm using Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 (jessie) and Nvidia GT 610. Can someone help me to install please? I tryied several ways but does not work |
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| 18:02.24 | McErroneous | How do i uninstall X then ? Would i type something like "apt-get purge X" ???? |
| 18:02.26 | Brigo | debian-user, upgrade to 8.3 |
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| 18:03.12 | greycat | Brigo: I read it as an installation failure. |
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| 18:03.41 | Brigo | greycat, can't it be solved in 8.3? |
| 18:04.19 | McErroneous | greycat: sorry , for disturbing your chat-session, do you know how to get rid of X ? |
| 18:04.21 | Brigo | debian-user, did you try to add non-free repo and install nvidia-driver? |
| 18:04.39 | greycat | !remove x |
| 18:04.40 | dpkg | methinks remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
| 18:05.03 | McErroneous | thx.. |
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| 18:07.41 | debian-user | Brian---, sorry. I had a little problem. |
| 18:08.20 | debian-user | grepper, 8,3 Is it works? |
| 18:08.40 | greycat | Nobody can help you until you say what your little problem IS. |
| 18:09.10 | debian-user | no no, little problem with my connection |
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| 18:10.06 | debian-user | My problem is, i tryied to install the nvidia driver and does not work, then, I tryiedto install through aptitude including some repositories and does not work as well |
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| 18:10.38 | Brigo | debian-user, did you try to add non-free repo and install nvidia-driver? |
| 18:11.09 | debian-user | When I try to install through driver.sh, I'v got some error message like: linux-header does not have version.h... |
| 18:11.22 | debian-user | Brian---, yes, I do. |
| 18:11.25 | debian-user | did* |
| 18:11.32 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.34 | cheetahw26 | how can I downgrade my g++ to 4.8 from 4.9 ? |
| 18:11.56 | jhutchins | Brigo: Third-party install script no doubt, possibly from nvidia. |
| 18:12.17 | debian-user | the correct name is: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.53.run |
| 18:12.20 | Brigo | jhutchins, semi-retorical question :) |
| 18:12.33 | greycat | cheetahw26: install g++-4.8 and use that to compile. Do not attempt to remove g++-4.9. Just keep both installed. |
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| 18:12.47 | Brigo | !nvidia |
| 18:12.48 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:14.36 | debian-user | greycat, I changed my gcc 4.9to 4.8 but the error still happening. I'n going to install g++ 4.8 |
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| 18:15.15 | greycat | debian-user: I wasn't talking to you at all. I was talking to cheetahw26. |
| 18:15.37 | greycat | He specifically *asked* how to get g++ 4.8 (I don't know why, don't care, just gave an answer). |
| 18:15.49 | debian-user | greycat, ok, sorry. |
| 18:16.18 | debian-user | Brigo, I tryied this options at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. No one it works :( |
| 18:16.29 | Brigo | debian-user, dpkg message was for you, though |
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| 18:18.07 | debian-user | Bright_, I read it. |
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| 18:19.09 | cheetahw26 | how can I set the older one as the default? just change the symlink on /usr/bin/g++ ? |
| 18:19.23 | debian-user | I'll try again. I come back in a minute (maybe lol) |
| 18:19.28 | debian-user | Brigo, |
| 18:19.44 | greycat | chalks up yet another reason never to learn C++ |
| 18:20.24 | cheetahw26 | haha... why, get asked many stupid questions ? :) |
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| 18:31.22 | debian-user | Brigo, http://pastebin.com/pji3L0hQ the error message when I run ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.53.run |
| 18:31.54 | abrotman | you're not supposedt to instal lthe driver that way? |
| 18:32.27 | greycat | Why would he read the important parts of the factoid... |
| 18:32.41 | Brigo | debian-user, as dpkg bot already told you: installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:37.50 | babilen | It should be noted that https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers explicitly discusses that installation method (and a number of other unsupported ones) these days. I guess it needs a cleanup *again*. |
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| 18:41.39 | momomo | what is the best email client out there? |
| 18:41.48 | momomo | don't tell me evolution or thunderbird |
| 18:41.54 | greycat | mutt |
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| 18:42.53 | momomo | greycat, terminal based ... maybe its time .. everything on fucking linux is getting so bad so going back to old school stuff seems to be the only viable options left |
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| 18:43.04 | murphy | whats a good bluetooth configuration gui? blueman? |
| 18:43.27 | greycat | "going back"? I never left. |
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| 18:47.07 | teraflops | it's weird theres no mention to bluetoothctl in https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 18:47.41 | momomo | bluetooth disconeects like 10 times a day here |
| 18:47.48 | momomo | for my apple trackpad |
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| 18:58.56 | jil | hello |
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| 19:02.46 | jil | how can one restore system permission if they are messed up ? |
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| 19:03.12 | greycat | Restore from backup. |
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| 19:04.40 | jil | is that the only solution? for exemple what should the /tmp folder have as permission? |
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| 19:05.26 | greycat | /tmp should be 1777 (rwxrwxrwt) |
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| 19:06.25 | jil | ok. if that's the case why mysqld can't create/write to file tmp/ibps5... (errcode 13) ? |
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| 19:07.05 | jil | I'm trying to restart mysqld and purged it, reinstalled it from repositories but I have access issues. |
| 19:07.21 | greycat | What did you DO to your Debian system that makes you think you need to restore the ENTIRE system's permission? |
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| 19:07.44 | greycat | Did you run chown -R or chmod -R from root, or something? |
| 19:07.57 | jil | :| |
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| 19:08.51 | jil | I messed up with a backup script ran chmod www-data on my root instead of the appropriate folder |
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| 19:09.09 | greycat | You mean chown -R? |
| 19:09.40 | jil | yes I mean chown www-data:www-data -R . (from /) |
| 19:09.58 | greycat | That's almost as bad as rm -rf. There's really no recovery path from that point. |
| 19:10.16 | jil | hum... |
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| 19:11.01 | stormmore | yeah you are pretty much at a reinstall point having doing that (or restore from backup if the back has the correct permissions |
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| 19:11.02 | jil | so I should pack my stuff, clean and unpack |
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| 19:13.46 | jil | but how do you understand that purging mysql-* and reinstalling it still does not make it work ? |
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| 19:14.43 | greycat | Did you also remove the file in /tmp that you said is now owned by www-data and giving permission denied (errno 13)? |
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| 19:15.16 | greycat | Having the correct perms on /tmp doesn't help you if the FILE you wanted to open is owned by someone else and is in the way. |
| 19:15.36 | greycat | Now multiply all of that agony (over one file!!) by a thousand files. |
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| 19:18.03 | jil | the file ibps4mSG does not exist in tmp. and tmp has 777, so I don't understand why any user could not create it there |
| 19:18.42 | greycat | 777 is wrong. I explicitly told you it's 1777 (with the t on the end, not x on the end) |
| 19:18.56 | jil | yes it hhas the t at the end |
| 19:19.01 | greycat | If you can't even get ONE DIRECTORY correct, then do you see why I am saying you need to restore a full backup, or reinstall? |
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| 19:20.44 | jil | I will do a full reinstall in the end. |
| 19:21.11 | jil | mistakes make me curious |
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| 19:39.50 | moonpunter | anyone know the reasoning behind renaming Iceweasel to Icecat? |
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| 19:44.13 | awal1 | moonpunter, iceweasel is the debian rebranding of firefox and icecat the gnu project one |
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| 19:44.34 | Filystyn | gnu |
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| 19:45.00 | moonpunter | just because, or what? |
| 19:45.14 | moonpunter | i like that answer, it's good. "because gnu." |
| 19:45.39 | McErnie | Hi, i have the SAME PROBLEM , over and over again, what is the URL for the DEBIAN-REPOSITORIES ??? |
| 19:45.59 | moonpunter | well there's packages.debian.org |
| 19:46.11 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 19:46.11 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:48.27 | awal1 | McErnie, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList?action=show&redirect=sources.list |
| 19:48.37 | awal1 | all detailed there |
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| 19:52.42 | McErnie | How do i avoid messages (usb-mouse connection/KVM) beeing send to stdout in etch ? (it ruins my irssi-window) |
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| 19:53.34 | simonlnu | turn down the kernel.printk setting in sysctl. try that first |
| 19:53.41 | joaeos | hello |
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| 19:53.58 | McErnie | simonlnu: talking to me ? |
| 19:54.14 | p8m | McErnie: yes he is |
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| 19:54.41 | McErnie | simonlnu: how would that command look like ? |
| 19:55.02 | joaeos | I am missing firmware for my wireless device in the netinst image. Is it as simple as finding it and dropping it into another pendrive? |
| 19:55.10 | McErnie | simonlnu: do you get a free sample ? |
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| 19:55.15 | jelly | lol, etch |
| 19:55.24 | p8m | McErnie: man 5 sysctl.conf |
| 19:55.34 | jelly | !printk |
| 19:55.34 | dpkg | somebody said printk was see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 19:55.40 | jelly | McErnie: ^^ |
| 19:55.46 | simonlnu | tada |
| 19:55.56 | McErnie | Y |
| 19:56.04 | p8m | Z |
| 19:56.15 | simonlnu | holee, etch, that's ancient |
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| 19:56.59 | simonlnu | typically i used to set that to 4 4 1 7 |
| 19:57.18 | p8m | McErnie: Etch hasn't had security updates for 5 years... You should think about upgrading. |
| 19:57.55 | jelly | no, not upgrading, installing. |
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| 19:58.05 | jelly | !release history |
| 19:58.05 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 19:58.22 | McErnie | I am not very smart, i guess... |
| 19:58.24 | jelly | huh, only 6 years |
| 19:58.36 | McErnie | is silly... |
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| 19:59.13 | joaeos | Where can I download non-free firmware (outside of a Debian environment)? I need the firmware files to setup Debian in my laptop, but I don't know where to find them. |
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| 19:59.19 | jelly | it's one of those questions where yoi have to ask yourself, are they for real or are they atrollin |
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| 19:59.45 | McErnie | do you get a command-line for me , pleaseee...... ? |
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| 20:00.02 | McErnie | sysctl printk 5 off ? |
| 20:00.08 | jelly | joaeos: if you haven't even installed yet, it's probably easiest to grab the unofficial images that already contain firmware |
| 20:00.10 | jhutchins | !installer firmware |
| 20:00.10 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 20:00.22 | joaeos | jelly, I already have the setup running |
| 20:00.23 | jelly | dpkg, tell joaeos about firmware images |
| 20:00.28 | joaeos | I read that |
| 20:00.37 | joaeos | But I don't know where to get the firmware tarballs |
| 20:00.45 | p8m | jelly: maybe it was etch at some point and they have just been upgrading for years, eg sources.list points to stable, not a specific rel |
| 20:00.53 | jelly | neither do I so I'll let jhutchins answer... |
| 20:01.56 | jelly | I guess they didn't get to the "you can also use 'dmesg -n1'" bit |
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| 20:02.43 | joaeos | Nevermind, I found it |
| 20:02.52 | joaeos | Thanks jhutchins and jelly |
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| 20:05.52 | Harm133 | Hey guys, anybody know what the a bioset process is ? I have a bunch of them on one of my servers. I ran "ps axjf" but it isn't listing anything sensible |
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| 20:06.27 | greycat | Harm133: if it's in [brackets] with a VSZ of 0, it's a kernel thing. |
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| 20:07.32 | simonlnu | it's your kernel doing its thing, you know like. its thing. |
| 20:07.48 | Harm133 | They are in brackets :) |
| 20:08.01 | simonlnu | there ya go then. |
| 20:08.16 | Harm133 | simonlnu: I was thinking that, but I have an almost identical setup on another host without any of those processes. first time I ever see them |
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| 20:08.46 | simonlnu | different loaded drivers for hardware, etc. |
| 20:09.00 | Harm133 | Both on the same ESXi host ^^ |
| 20:09.07 | Harm133 | so actually exact same drivers :) |
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| 20:10.32 | simonlnu | sometimes modules get loaded because some app needs it |
| 20:10.56 | simonlnu | i'd check the other ones again |
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| 20:12.51 | petn-randall | Harm133: Same kernel versions, too? bioset is "block I/O set", someone asked about it a few days back. |
| 20:13.35 | Harm133 | I'm a dumbass. To both questions ^^ |
| 20:14.09 | Harm133 | The kernel is indeed the last one I can get, the other machines aren't running it yet. The proces tho, on the "stable" kernel version also ahve the proces, just running once tho |
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| 20:14.29 | Harm133 | I guess it has something to do with the new kernel then, spwaning a lot of these :P. Tyvm for the patience :) |
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| 20:15.22 | simonlnu | i don't see kernel threads in htop, i set it that way. i show them if there's a hang up though. |
| 20:16.20 | Harm133 | Ah :) I don't have htop, just top |
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| 20:17.21 | simonlnu | they're almost the same |
| 20:17.45 | Harm133 | I like to have as little as possible on the systems :) |
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| 20:20.48 | simonlnu | i treat servers differently also. |
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| 20:49.21 | xyxxy | i'm using a debian live cd and need to reformat my hard drive and erase everything. how do i do this? help, please. |
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| 20:49.43 | greycat | xyxxy: mkfs.ext4 /your/partition |
| 20:49.44 | abrotman | why are you doing it from Debian Live? |
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| 20:50.09 | xyxxy | greycat, how do find out my partition? |
| 20:50.12 | xyxxy | or the partition |
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| 20:50.25 | greycat | If you don't know that already, STOP. What are you doing, and why? |
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| 20:51.25 | wulllst | does anyone have experience with setting up a terratec xfire 1024 pci sound card on debian 8 (it has a cirrus logic chipset and uses the cs46xx module)? i followed the really neat instructions in the debian wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx), but the sound is getting ever more distorted when you push up the volume. |
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| 20:52.11 | xyxxy | greycat, i need to wipe a hard drive for a testing computer so someone else can install whatever they want on it. |
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| 20:52.36 | greycat | Why can't you just hand this person the drive as-is? |
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| 20:52.41 | wulllst | xyxxy: then you could use the dd program. |
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| 20:52.53 | greycat | Whyt do you need to "wipe" it? |
| 20:53.18 | xyxxy | greycat, to remove the data that's already on it. |
| 20:53.43 | greycat | Why? Is it credit card numbers and nuclear weapons and...? |
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| 20:54.07 | greycat | Or do you just want the partition entries gone? |
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| 20:54.41 | xyxxy | greycat, because it contains confidential information that needs to be erased. |
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| 20:55.05 | greycat | In that case, see the "dd" answer. If it's secrets, then you need to overwrite all of the sectors, not just remove the partitions. |
| 20:55.29 | wulllst | xyxxy: then the best way is probably creating a luks container, writing zeros to it, then closing it and throwing the password aways, isn't it? |
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| 20:55.42 | greycat | Oh, just fucking zero it. Jeez. |
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| 20:55.57 | greycat | If it's so top secret that you think zeroing isn't good enough, then you have to physically destroy the disk anyway. |
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| 20:56.11 | sir_galahad_ad | o/ |
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| 20:56.32 | wulllst | greycat: well the luks variant is much faster than dd with /dev/urandom but still makes it all look like random data. |
| 20:56.40 | greycat | Just use /dev/zero |
| 20:57.03 | outside | The best way is to drill some holes in the platters. |
| 20:57.30 | wulllst | xyxxy: there's also a linux live sitro called dban. it's for wiping disks securely (like cia standard stuff...). |
| 20:57.39 | greycat | Jesus CHRIST, people. |
| 20:57.45 | greycat | Just. Fucking. Zero. It. |
| 20:57.53 | greycat | My god. |
| 20:57.57 | cek | Is btrfs stable enough for storage server? |
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| 20:58.24 | sir_galahad_ad | wow |
| 20:58.27 | wulllst | greycat: i just tried to make suggestions. dban is also very easy to operate. |
| 20:58.46 | greycat | I bet it's not as easy as dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdwhatever |
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| 21:01.05 | wulllst | greycat: i don't know. for someone who doesn't know how dd woks, it probably is. it's basically just inserting a cd and saying "wipe with standard xy"..."sure?"...."ok". but well, actually it's probably all pretty much the same. |
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| 21:01.44 | xyxxy | thank you greycat! |
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| 21:02.19 | greycat | xyxxy: note that you will want to use the whole-disk device (/dev/sda or /dev/sdb or ...) not a partition like /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb3 |
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| 21:06.28 | poffs | how can i install all packages in apt-get upgrade, excluding ones that cannot be verified? |
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| 21:07.10 | poffs | I keep trying to upgrade, but some packages cannot be verified (one of my repositories is broke), but when I say "no" to install these packages without verification, it just cancels the whole thing |
| 21:07.33 | wulllst | poffs: you could simply comment out that repo. |
| 21:07.53 | poffs | yes, but i'd prefer not to |
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| 21:08.05 | wulllst | poffs: why not? |
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| 21:08.25 | poffs | wulllst, some packages *can* be verified. I think their repo is broken. |
| 21:08.45 | greycat | Why are you using something you believe to be broken? |
| 21:08.54 | wulllst | poffs: so the one that can't be varified are not all from the same repo? |
| 21:08.55 | cek | girls calm down |
| 21:09.01 | poffs | stop avoiding ym question wulllst and greycat |
| 21:09.04 | poffs | lolz |
| 21:09.08 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 21:10.39 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:14.36 | simonlnu | avoiding the question?more like avoiding RTFM'ing. |
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| 21:35.54 | Atm0spher1c | why does debian nmap syn scan take so long? |
| 21:36.23 | Atm0spher1c | in a kali vm its only about 5 seconds |
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| 21:36.44 | cafuego | scan what? |
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| 21:37.37 | Atm0spher1c | a network |
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| 21:52.26 | p8m | Atm0spher1c: different timing template? -T<0-5> ? |
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| 21:54.38 | p8m | Atm0spher1c: Are you using identical nmap options? Are you using a tool that calls nmap or calling it directly? A tool might be using diff defaults |
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| 22:05.55 | joaeos | I'm having a problem. The wpasupplicant package is not providing the wpa_supplicant binary |
| 22:06.46 | Atm0spher1c | p8m: Unless kali has some defualt config or debian does. Im just doing nmap -sS as root. Everythings the same other than debian and kali in a vm |
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| 22:07.47 | matu | Hi, it is very strange, i was chatting on my Debian Jessie Stable and i got disconnected from lxde, the screen became blank and i was invited to relog in |
| 22:07.54 | cafuego | scanning an entire network in 5 seconds? |
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| 22:08.09 | abrotman | define "entire network" |
| 22:08.21 | cafuego | all the tubes |
| 22:08.43 | argensi8 | Any wvdial users around? If I have an /etc/wvdial.conf with two Diallers configured (modemA and modemB, where modemB is listed second), I'm unable to bring up modemB without ALSO bringing up modemA (ex: via pon.wvdial modemB). Anyone have any ideas on how I can bring up each independently? |
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| 22:08.46 | abrotman | ::/0 ? |
| 22:09.01 | cafuego | that's the one! |
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| 22:10.24 | joaeos | Anyone? :p |
| 22:10.34 | cafuego | bueller? |
| 22:12.00 | roycollins | joaeos: be sure you are looking for wpa_supplicant not wpasupplicant. Packange and binary have different names |
| 22:12.17 | centrx | joaeos, Are you using only Debian sources? |
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| 22:13.58 | joaeos | Yep |
| 22:14.12 | joaeos | I installed the wpasupplicant package, and tried wpa_supplicant |
| 22:14.21 | joaeos | checked /usr/bin and it wasn't there |
| 22:14.41 | roycollins | its a system binary. use sudo |
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| 22:15.09 | joaeos | that did it |
| 22:15.17 | joaeos | thanks |
| 22:15.25 | roycollins | glad that works for you. |
| 22:16.22 | roycollins | Anyone know the status of thunderbolt 3 on 4.4 kernel? I am getting lots of errors but change log says it should work. |
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| 22:24.48 | roycollins | As soon as I plug in a thunderbolt DP plug I get error 'failed to train DP, aborting'. Anyone have any leads. I tried Kernel 4.4.1 and 4.5-Rc2 both with same error |
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| 22:43.16 | InstallWindows | Hello having problem from Debian to make a bootable USB (Windows 10) thread here |
| 22:43.20 | InstallWindows | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/43zes4/how_can_i_create_a_bootable_usb_windows_10/ |
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| 22:46.30 | jhutchins | InstallWindows: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 22:47.31 | jhutchins | roycollins: Sometimes "supported" means "gives meaningful errors when it fails". |
| 22:47.34 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: All written on the thread but to summarize it: Trying to make a bootable Windows 10 ISO on a USB from Debian but dd does not work neither does Unebootin work |
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| 22:47.57 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: Trying to download WinUSB atm |
| 22:48.26 | jhutchins | argensi8: USB Modems? |
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| 22:49.05 | cafuego | Doesn't windows come on install media anymore? |
| 22:49.14 | jhutchins | InstallWindows: For "does not work" substitute the "What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?" parts. |
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| 22:50.26 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: I except the application/CLI commands to make a bootable USB, what happend instead is the writting was OK and BIOS was set to only USB but the Windows installation did not occur but the |
| 22:50.45 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: But when tried making a bootable debian ISO it worked with dd but not with the windows installation |
| 22:50.58 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: Therefore I am asking kindly :) |
| 22:51.13 | cafuego | That's because the debian iso is desgined for that to work. |
| 22:51.22 | jhutchins | InstallWindows: This is really beyond the scope of Debian support, but if it wrote the data succssfully I would suspect that it might be a bad iso file. |
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| 22:51.28 | cafuego | god only knows about *a* a windows iso, which I guess you downloaded from somewhere? |
| 22:51.42 | jhutchins | InstallWindows: We're probably not going to be able to help, and we don't support unetbootin even for Debian installs. |
| 22:52.03 | InstallWindows | jhuctchins: Dude the MD5 is correct with the one from Mircosoft... :) |
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| 22:52.29 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: It is seems very weird to make a bootable USB... |
| 22:52.49 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: I am not angry with you either....it is just ridusculy. You are kind to help |
| 22:52.55 | jhutchins | InstallWindows: For dd, did you specify the device, or did you try to specify a partition? /dev/sdc or /dev/sdc1 ? |
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| 22:53.28 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: Tried both (lsblk -> sdb1 and sdb) -> Formated and tried both |
| 22:53.41 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: Still did not work with Windows but it did with Debian when doing sdb only |
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| 22:54.34 | jhutchins | InstallWindows: Formatting doesn't matter, yes, just /dev/sdb - and if you proved it worked with the debian image, you know it's not Debian's fault. I'm afraid you're going to have to get help from Microsoft or from ##windows. |
| 22:55.01 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: But I am on a Debian dist atm and not having Windows on any laptop |
| 22:55.13 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: That is my problem.... :P it worked when doing "disk tools" on ubuntu |
| 22:55.19 | jhutchins | InstallWindows: Yes, and you know writing a bootable image with Debian works. |
| 22:55.27 | rattking | InstallWindows a very very fast good search says to use 'winusb' did you try that? |
| 22:55.37 | rattking | s/good/google/ ugg |
| 22:55.39 | InstallWindows | rattking: Trying to installing but failing |
| 22:55.53 | InstallWindows | http://www.tipsstrips.ml/2015/05/winusb-for-linux-debian.html |
| 22:55.57 | InstallWindows | I am following that |
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| 22:56.10 | rattking | I am pretty sure you can only use dd to usb stick with a hybred iso |
| 22:56.18 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: Indeed it did but the formating it different ntfs |
| 22:56.31 | LambdaComplex | well, you can write whatever image you want with dd |
| 22:56.36 | LambdaComplex | but it's not gonna boot if it's a cd image |
| 22:56.56 | rattking | well yea.. but booting it is another story.. I should have been more specific |
| 22:57.18 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: Dude I rembmer one thing, I had gparted and both with ntfs and fat32 (dd with sdb),gparted did not show any "partion" but when I followed the GUI there was files |
| 22:57.23 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: Strange? |
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| 22:57.51 | jhutchins | rattking: Not necessarily hybrid, but a bootable image. It _should_ work. |
| 22:57.52 | InstallWindows | Lambdacomplex: Correct writting is no problem but there could be booting problems.... |
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| 22:58.05 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: That's basically what I said |
| 22:58.22 | jhutchins | InstallWindows: Prove that the system will boot to a bootable device. |
| 22:58.33 | LambdaComplex | Harddrive booting looks at the MBR (assuming BIOS rather than UEFI). CDs boot using a different specification; El Torito |
| 22:58.35 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: I know I am just out off words because I have no clue how to get my Windoows working... :( |
| 22:59.13 | InstallWindows | jhutchins: Did it with Debian dist (dd command) and tried on Windows, Debian started but not WIndows |
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| 22:59.24 | InstallWindows | Same laptop with same BIOS settings |
| 22:59.32 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: Hey, I just joined. Could you start from the top and explain to me what's going on? |
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| 22:59.46 | InstallWindows | LambdaCOmplex: Sorry dude, https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/43zes4/how_can_i_create_a_bootable_usb_windows_10/ |
| 23:00.05 | LambdaComplex | First comment: unetbootin is crap; don't use it |
| 23:00.05 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: I written everything I tested there and trying now to install "WinUSB" |
| 23:00.27 | LambdaComplex | To elaborate, unetbootin has this tendency to overwrite bootloader configs |
| 23:00.38 | LambdaComplex | Mostly for the purpose of adding its logo to the bootloader |
| 23:00.51 | LambdaComplex | Which, in some cases, has the side effect of rendering the usb unbootable |
| 23:00.51 | InstallWindows | LamdaComplex: I know it is buggy but it did solve my problem on Ubuntu therefore I used it...before |
| 23:01.14 | icyeagle | hello |
| 23:01.21 | jim | hi |
| 23:01.23 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: Alright, do you currently have the Windows iso on a usb drive? |
| 23:01.48 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: Nope, have a ready USB and ISO file but no method to write it with sucess |
| 23:01.57 | InstallWindows | (to boot properly) |
| 23:02.22 | jim | so the iso is not itself bootable? |
| 23:02.25 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: The Windows file is downloaded via the official website and MD5 is correct |
| 23:02.51 | InstallWindows | jim: They never are? You have to make them bootable that is why you write them over to a USB? |
| 23:03.13 | InstallWindows | jim: You have to extract the files from the ISO to the USB so it can function |
| 23:03.23 | LambdaComplex | Honestly, I'm guessing the problem is it's an El Torito iso rather than a hybrid |
| 23:03.37 | xVim | Can someone give me an useful link about common best practices for 80% of all users after a fresh Debian installation on a home pc? Something like: backport iceweasel, install unattended-upgrades, install unp, ... |
| 23:03.50 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: El Torito? :D |
| 23:04.03 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: El Torito is the boot spec used by CDs. |
| 23:04.17 | jim | xVim, do you have experience with unix/linux? |
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| 23:04.38 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: So excuse me...but the solution would be to? |
| 23:04.41 | xVim | jim: I run linux since 2 years, but would not say I am experienced. |
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| 23:05.04 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: Well, is writing the iso to a CD (or DVD if necessary) an option? |
| 23:05.10 | jim | pretty handy with the shell? (I'd say that's pretty important) |
| 23:05.22 | icyeagle | can someone help me figure out why my remote host cant connect to my mysql on debian 8 |
| 23:05.36 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: HAHHAhahaha...that is oldschool...I do not have a DVD on my stationery nor a CD/DVD anymore |
| 23:05.38 | InstallWindows | :D |
| 23:05.54 | icyeagle | i edited the cnf file, and granted user permision |
| 23:06.00 | xVim | jim: Yes. |
| 23:06.07 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: All due I can download Ubuntu and write it to a USB and therefrom make a Windows bootable USB, it worked before with "Disks Tool" |
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| 23:06.23 | jim | icyeagle, first wild shot in the dark... isp blocks the port mysql tries to connect on? |
| 23:06.29 | InstallWindows | But it seems to be a longer road for no good reasson Debian should not be able to do |
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| 23:07.03 | icyeagle | my host says it has no firewalls installed |
| 23:07.13 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: Wait, did ever verify the contents of the USB after writing to it with dd? |
| 23:07.17 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: I.e. mounting it |
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| 23:07.36 | icyeagle | I think iptables were installed, but i cant connect to it even if i do mysql -u (user) -h (host) -p |
| 23:07.41 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: Yup the windows folder where there and everything BUT on Gparted it was "blank", that was very weird |
| 23:07.52 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: Even due the "writting was successful" |
| 23:07.54 | jim | icyeagle, you say this is a connection from a remote? |
| 23:08.05 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: if you want I can try again and write commands |
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| 23:08.08 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: Maybe check it with `fdisk -l` too? |
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| 23:08.11 | icyeagle | yea, from a php website |
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| 23:08.35 | jim | how much control do you have over that remote? |
| 23:08.42 | icyeagle | i have ssh |
| 23:08.46 | jim | what os does it run? |
| 23:08.55 | icyeagle | not sure how can i check? |
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| 23:09.16 | jim | hmm... |
| 23:09.16 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: Using GParted and formated the USB to fat32 and deleted the content. Using -> lsblk and usb is mount at sdc1 |
| 23:09.29 | icyeagle | ik its linux they are running for their website hosting, the company is one.com |
| 23:09.36 | Mathisen | hello how would i secure my debian install from someone chaning my root password just by changing grub or using live cd |
| 23:09.38 | icyeagle | idk which linux tho |
| 23:09.44 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: Unmount the usb drive before running dd |
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| 23:10.06 | LambdaComplex | Mathisen: encrypt your root partition |
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| 23:10.17 | jim | ok, do you have root access? |
| 23:10.19 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex:Via G-Parted or terminal? |
| 23:10.26 | icyeagle | no |
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| 23:10.42 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: eh, i'd do it via terminal |
| 23:10.42 | icyeagle | i do on my server though, not the remote one |
| 23:10.48 | icyeagle | how can i check all the ports that are open on my iptable? |
| 23:10.58 | jim | ok... does it already have the plain text shell-like mysql client? |
| 23:11.03 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: I am newbie still, will do it via G-Parted |
| 23:11.05 | InstallWindows | :) |
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| 23:11.25 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: i don't think `umount /dev/sdc1` is that complicated :p |
| 23:11.27 | icyeagle | not sure, I dont know much about linux |
| 23:11.34 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: And you're gonna need the terminal for dd anyways |
| 23:11.34 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: Love you dude |
| 23:11.35 | InstallWindows | <3 |
| 23:11.43 | LambdaComplex | <3 |
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| 23:12.15 | icyeagle | i think it might be iptables |
| 23:12.16 | jim | ok, |
| 23:12.19 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: umount: /dev/sdc1/: not mounted |
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| 23:12.26 | jim | are you sshed into it now? |
| 23:12.29 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: perfect running this command: dd if=Win10_1511_N_EnglishInternational_x64.iso of=/dev/sdc |
| 23:12.32 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: Did you already unmount it with gparted? :P |
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| 23:12.43 | icyeagle | my server yes, not the remote one |
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| 23:12.49 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: Was to fast :), running the command now :D |
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| 23:13.19 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: Eh, just run lsblk real quick to make sure nothing on sdc is mounted |
| 23:13.24 | jim | ok, ssh in there, and do this: echo ". $SHELL" |
| 23:13.29 | LambdaComplex | Although dd might give an error if that were the case. Maybe. Never tried it |
| 23:13.40 | jim | it will reply . /some/shell |
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| 23:13.48 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: sdc 8:32 1 7.4G 0 disk |
| 23:13.48 | InstallWindows | ââsdc1 8:33 1 7.4G 0 part |
| 23:13.52 | InstallWindows | Nothing is mointed |
| 23:13.54 | InstallWindows | mounted* |
| 23:14.05 | icyeagle | this is the reply ./bin/bash |
| 23:14.05 | LambdaComplex | Works for me |
| 23:14.12 | CooloutAC | hello all when doing apt-get upgrade i get something about mozilla certificate authroity update to 2.6 and its waiting for me to do something |
| 23:14.17 | CooloutAC | not sure what i'm supposed to do there? |
| 23:14.21 | CooloutAC | hit enter a bunch of times? |
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| 23:14.51 | jim | ok, that means the currently running shell is bash |
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| 23:15.09 | CooloutAC | jim, me? |
| 23:15.55 | icyeagle | ok, and what does that mean XD |
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| 23:15.55 | CooloutAC | oh |
| 23:15.55 | jim | CooloutAC, hi, sorry, no |
| 23:16.08 | CooloutAC | something about " Update Mozilla certificate authority bundle to version 2.6." and then everytime i hit enter it showed me a line of someting saying it was removed |
| 23:16.20 | CooloutAC | then i had to hit q for quit, then it proceeded to install all updates |
| 23:16.25 | CooloutAC | I hope i did that right lol |
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| 23:17.21 | jim | icyeagle, ok, try: mysql (we just want to know if it's installed) |
| 23:17.30 | CooloutAC | how can i make sure i have right certificates. do I just install ca-certificates? |
| 23:18.00 | tharkun | Where is the #debian-dev channel? |
| 23:18.02 | icyeagle | yes it is installed |
| 23:19.01 | icyeagle | also i did something like grant all privileges on *.* to 'user'@'host' With Grant Option; |
| 23:19.17 | jim | icyeagle, ok, you could use it to try connecting to your home mysql, and maybe it can tell you if/why it can't (or actually succeed) |
| 23:19.46 | icyeagle | wait did you mean try typing mysql on the remote host ssh? |
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| 23:20.14 | tharkun | icyeagle: Do you have cli access? Are you afraid of cli? |
| 23:20.26 | LambdaComplex | InstallWindows: so, once dd is done, run `lsblk -f` and tell me what the fstype is |
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| 23:20.53 | icyeagle | idk what it is, but i have ssh to the remote, loging into it now |
| 23:20.55 | jim | hmm. maybe I misread what you want... let me make sure... you want to have your website (on the remote) use your mysql (installed on your local/home machine)? |
| 23:20.55 | InstallWindows | lambdaComplex: You are gold worth dude, thanks for your help |
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| 23:21.26 | tharkun | icyeagle: ps aux|grep mysqld |
| 23:21.33 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: Truly people like you on the chat makes people going over to Linux much eaiser and friendly! |
| 23:21.55 | LambdaComplex | Oh man, I love tricking unsuspecting IRCgoers into thinking I'm a nice person! |
| 23:22.15 | icyeagle | yes, my mysql is on a server im renting |
| 23:22.27 | icyeagle | tharkun: whats that? |
| 23:22.40 | tharkun | icyeagle: man ps |
| 23:22.53 | tharkun | icyeagle: ss -pantu |grep 3306 |
| 23:22.55 | jim | icyeagle, one thing that's interesting, is at least the clients of mysql are installed on your web remote... maybe there's a mysql server there too? |
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| 23:23.24 | tharkun | !tell icyeagle about unix lessons |
| 23:23.26 | InstallWindows | LambdaComplex: Plottwist :O |
| 23:23.48 | jim | is 3306 the mysql port? |
| 23:23.59 | tharkun | icyeagle: read the dpkg factoid then read the man pages for ps and ss |
| 23:24.10 | tharkun | jim: the default port |
| 23:24.15 | icyeagle | tharkun: ok |
| 23:24.16 | jim | ok |
| 23:24.44 | icyeagle | yes there is a mysql server there, to login to the mysql there is a place in the settings.php where I put in the info |
| 23:25.05 | tharkun | icyeagle: what does the output of those commands are? |
| 23:25.19 | icyeagle | trying to reset my remote host password |
| 23:25.24 | icyeagle | havent used it for awhile |
| 23:25.24 | tharkun | You can have a server running and not listening where you want it to listen. |
| 23:25.46 | jim | icyeagle, were you saying before, you have a remote for the web service, and a -separate- remote for the mysql server? |
| 23:26.51 | icyeagle | yea, I am renting a server where my mysql is, and there is a web service which comes with basicly everything (mysql,domain,host. etc) which is the remote |
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| 23:28.08 | icyeagle | ok im in it ill run the cmd |
| 23:28.20 | de-facto | i upgraded a package which contains an error: now i want "downgrade" to the previous version on /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 23:28.43 | icyeagle | bash: aux: command not found |
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| 23:28.59 | de-facto | how would i do that when i want to preserve everything else of it (config, /var/lib and so on)? |
| 23:29.07 | tharkun | icyeagle: ps aux |
| 23:29.15 | tharkun | it is a single command |
| 23:29.30 | icyeagle | 2846291 9 0.0 0.0 6316 256 ? S+ 23:29 0:00 grep mysqld |
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| 23:29.37 | aeg1s | Hello... Can anyone help me with a specific iptables problem? I need to forward outbound traffic to a specific interface (eth0) ... all the traffic inbound is currently forwarded to tun0 ... I can't find any examples of how to do that (or if it is possible). Can anyone help? |
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| 23:30.23 | aeg1s | let me clarify... I only want to forward outbound traffic that is destined for a specific ip address to eth0 |
| 23:30.44 | icyeagle | what do those numbers mean? |
| 23:31.49 | icyeagle | Server version: 5.5.47-MariaDB-1~wheezy mariadb.org binary distribution |
| 23:31.54 | icyeagle | thats what they are running |
| 23:32.00 | icyeagle | on the remote |
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| 23:33.21 | tharkun | icyeagle: did the output of the command only give you one line? |
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| 23:33.37 | icyeagle | yes |
| 23:33.47 | tharkun | mysqld is not running on your system. |
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| 23:34.03 | tharkun | aeg1s: /j #netfilter @freenode |
| 23:34.10 | icyeagle | when i do mysql it opens mysql |
| 23:34.12 | tharkun | lots of savy people there. |
| 23:34.24 | tharkun | icyeagle: mysql is the client. |
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| 23:34.33 | tharkun | mysqld is the daemon (server) |
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| 23:34.48 | de-facto | i see the package in /var/cache/apt/archives, how can i install it from there? |
| 23:34.52 | cafuego | safe_mysqld is the daemon (server) wrapper script |
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| 23:35.02 | cafuego | de-facto: dpkg -i /var/cache/....deb |
| 23:35.03 | markybob | de-facto, sudo dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 23:35.06 | tharkun | Check that you have MariaDb installed and then see /etc/mysql/my.cnf for further tunning |
| 23:35.07 | icyeagle | i have mysqld on my host i belive |
| 23:35.25 | cafuego | de-facto: Note that you may need to specify multiple .deb files if there are missing depends. |
| 23:35.30 | icyeagle | so what do i nneed on the remote server to connect to my host |
| 23:35.33 | tharkun | icyeagle: Believing is of no use here. Check it. |
| 23:36.11 | Guelif | Hello! I'm a new Linux user (currently using Ubuntu) and i'm going to try Debian on a VM. Any suggestions for a newbie? |
| 23:36.16 | tharkun | Server requires the daemon running and the client requires " a client" to connect to the server. Lots of the last. |
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| 23:36.28 | tharkun | Guelif: RTFM :) |
| 23:36.39 | icyeagle | this is my host |
| 23:36.40 | icyeagle | The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Last login: Thu Feb 4 17:11:02 2016 from ip72-192-253-192.dc.dc.cox.net root@server:~# ps aux|grep Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... Try 'gre |
| 23:36.42 | de-facto | ok will this preserve any configs? also the files in /var/lib? |
| 23:37.04 | icyeagle | sry |
| 23:37.05 | icyeagle | here |
| 23:37.06 | icyeagle | root 10915 0.0 0.0 4336 1636 ? S 15:46 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe mysql 11262 0.0 0.1 878684 51880 ? Sl 15:46 0:04 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --plugin-dir=/usr/lib/mysql/plugin --user=mysql --log-error=/var/log/mysql/error.log --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock --port=3306 root 14713 0.0 0.0 13564 1996 pts/10 |
| 23:37.15 | InstallWindows | Gulif: The Debian homepage and FAQ is very good, I am Debian newbie |
| 23:37.30 | tharkun | Guelif: Pick your purpose for the VM and install a basic installation and try to achieve your goal. |
| 23:37.30 | InstallWindows | gulif: Especially "Do not break Debian" |
| 23:37.41 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 23:37.41 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 23:37.45 | tharkun | :) |
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| 23:38.31 | tharkun | icyeagle: That line "root 10915 ..." states that mysqld is indeed running and listening on port 3306 |
| 23:38.46 | tharkun | now ss -pantu | grep 3306 to see what ip it is picking |
| 23:39.08 | tharkun | believes it will be 127.0.0.1 or ::1 |
| 23:39.12 | icyeagle | grep: to: No such file or directory grep: see: No such file or directory grep: what: No such file or directory grep: ip: No such file or directory grep: it: No such file or directory grep: is: No such file or directory grep: picking: No such file or directory |
| 23:39.30 | icyeagle | i changed cnf file to bind to the servers address |
| 23:39.36 | Guelif | tharkun, thanks for that! RTFM looks interesting. Thx InstallWindows too, i'll try it out right now |
| 23:39.38 | tharkun | icyeagle: ss -pantu and manually look for the 3306 port |
| 23:40.00 | tharkun | Guelif: RTFM has and will be the best counsel I've ever recieved :) |
| 23:40.11 | tharkun | !tell Guelif about unix lessons |
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| 23:40.27 | tharkun | Guelif: that pm is surprisingly very usefull. |
| 23:40.30 | icyeagle | tcp LISTEN 0 50 *:3306 *:* |
| 23:40.30 | InstallWindows | Gulif: No problem we can both help eachother <3 |
| 23:40.39 | icyeagle | tcp ESTAB 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 127.0.0.1:51100 |
| 23:40.44 | icyeagle | there is a few of them |
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| 23:41.07 | icyeagle | tcp LISTEN 0 50 *:3306 *:* |
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| 23:41.46 | de-facto | ok thanks sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/package.deb seemed to have downgraded it just fine, all configs preserved and also the /var/lib/package |
| 23:41.47 | tharkun | icyeagle: Enough. try to connect using mysql -u $user -p -D $DATABASE -h $your_ip_here |
| 23:42.08 | icyeagle | my host ip or remote server ip? |
| 23:42.17 | tharkun | from the server to the server. |
| 23:42.39 | tharkun | I believe that mysql is not allowing connections from outside its own ip. |
| 23:43.13 | Guelif | i'll keep those rules in mind tharkun, thanks again |
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| 23:43.51 | tharkun | Also as root iptables-save will printout your iptables settings. If it is out of the box I doubt there is something there that will screw your mysql server. Although you might want to tweak it a bit so you do not have a nasty surprise later. |
| 23:44.06 | tharkun | Guelif: np I'm here to slap newbies around :) |
| 23:45.27 | icyeagle | ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '10.24.3.34' (110) |
| 23:46.21 | icyeagle | http://pastebin.com/wxU8CVfz |
| 23:46.27 | aeg1s | can anyone help me with iptables? |
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| 23:47.30 | at0m | dpkg: tell aeg1s about anyone |
| 23:47.31 | aeg1s | I have all traffic on a specific network going out to tun0 ... but I have 1 outbound IP that needs to route through eth0... How can I setup the latter? |
| 23:47.36 | at0m | sorry :) |
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| 23:48.41 | aeg1s | in other words, traffic going to one specific website needs to go through eth0... the rest goes to tun0... is it possible? |
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| 23:49.06 | argensi8 | jhutchins: yes USB modems |
| 23:49.25 | roycollins | I have a thunderbolt 3 adapter and everytime I plug it in I get the error 'failed to train DP, aborting' and then a kernel panic. I have tried kernel 4.4.1 and 4.5.-rc2 with same error. Any suggestions? |
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| 23:50.23 | CooloutAC | what music player comes with debian-8? |
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| 23:50.46 | cafuego | aeg1s: sure |
| 23:51.05 | cafuego | aeg1s: you might be able to just source-route that |
| 23:51.06 | icyeagle | ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '10.24.3.34' (110) http://pastebin.com/wxU8CVfz |
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| 23:52.43 | lapalapa | what are some general interest channels on freenode? |
| 23:53.17 | CooloutAC | is it clementine that debian-8 comes with? |
| 23:53.18 | lapalapa | my wife just kinda hit me, I kinda hit her back. no-one's better off, no-one's been hit |
| 23:53.23 | aeg1s | cafuego, so when anyone on the network goes to ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx then it will use eth0? otherwise, all the traffic goes to tun0... I'll look into source-route |
| 23:53.35 | CooloutAC | lapalapa, hit is also slang for something else |
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| 23:53.51 | themill | enough |
| 23:53.53 | lapalapa | CooloutAC: I'm being literal. |
| 23:53.54 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.173.104.172] by themill |
| 23:53.56 | *** kick/#debian [lapalapa!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.) |
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| 23:54.22 | CooloutAC | you kicked him for that? |
| 23:54.24 | icyeagle | tharkun: so, how can I fix that error? |
| 23:54.42 | CooloutAC | themill, what music player does debian-8 come with, is it clementine? |
| 23:54.59 | LambdaComplex | CooloutAC: No, actually, that was a kickban |
| 23:55.13 | CooloutAC | LambdaComplex, what music player does debian come with? |
| 23:55.22 | LambdaComplex | shrugs |
| 23:55.30 | LambdaComplex | I used debootstrap, so none for me :P |
| 23:55.40 | CooloutAC | you don't listen to music!?!? |
| 23:55.56 | markybob | CooloutAC, stop asking over and over. it comes with whatever you install clementine? apt-get install clementine |
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| 23:56.16 | CooloutAC | markybob, what is installed by default on debian-8? |
| 23:56.20 | markybob | jesus |
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| 23:58.12 | CooloutAC | markybob, do you have a linke to the debian-8 package list |
| 23:58.13 | bazhang | ,v audacious |
| 23:58.14 | judd | Package: audacious on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2.4-1; jessie: 3.5-2; jessie-multimedia: 3.6.1-dmo1; stretch: 3.6.2-2; sid: 3.6.2-2; sid-multimedia: 1:3.7.1-dmo1 |
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| 23:58.40 | themill | CooloutAC: you've got your answer. Please move on. |
| 23:59.53 | CooloutAC | themill, do you have a link to the default package list for jessie? |
