| 00:00.13 | themill | CooloutAC: there's no such thing and this has been explained to many times on many occasions. |
| 00:00.34 | icyeagle | how do you add ports for mysql in iptables to allow remote connection |
| 00:00.44 | cafuego | aeg1s: The old route syntax was somehting like 'route add -host x.x.x.x/y dev ethX' *or* a specific iface IP. |
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| 00:01.30 | CooloutAC | well i mean when i do a debian install |
| 00:01.51 | CooloutAC | themill, and i do kde |
| 00:01.53 | themill | that depends on what you choose to install |
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| 00:03.55 | CooloutAC | themill, i think the debian kde install comes with this one https://www.kde.org/applications/multimedia/juk/ |
| 00:04.13 | CooloutAC | themill, fedora come with that one i dislike |
| 00:04.44 | themill | CooloutAC: you install the one you want. There's nothing more to discuss. |
| 00:04.47 | CooloutAC | themill, I see it here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/kde-standard but it doesn't actually specify debian-8 |
| 00:05.00 | CooloutAC | themill, well the point is I don't want to install extra packages if the fucking thing already comes with a music player!!! |
| 00:05.29 | markybob | oh you done fucked up |
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| 00:06.39 | markybob | CooloutAC, stop PMing me |
| 00:06.50 | cafuego | Amusing, this grumpt at someone who I clearly ignored at some point in the past already :-) |
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| 00:09.14 | tharkun | icyeagle: you failed to connect to your server from your server on a local area network ip. Sorry I am @ $DAY_JOB so I can't guide you through the process of setting up mysql correctly and making your router forward packets to your server. Structure what you actually want and divide it into steps that you think will help you solve it. Google is your friend and if you get stuck people here will help you. |
| 00:10.54 | icyeagle | tharkun: the reason im here is because google failed me XD, what would you call my problem. knowing the name might help me google better. |
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| 00:16.53 | Kirito | Here's a problem no one has been able to solve over the last 3 days, how lucky are you feeling? :D - http://i.imgur.com/3VBjGDL.png - This device exists, but I can't boot when using a custom kernel. /dev/sd* does not exist, neither doed /dev/disk*, dmesg does not seem to report recognizing the disk. All required modules should be compiled. Left is the stock Debian Kernel, right is mine: https://www.diffchecker.com/czf3xeft - This kernel has |
| 00:16.53 | Kirito | been compiled and re-compiled and re-compiled and re-compiled severy which way, this current build was done using make localmodconfig to ensure all required modules are included. Nothing should be missing. If you can discover the issue, you'd be amazing. |
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| 00:18.37 | cafuego | Compile the required modules *into* the kernel and not as module. |
| 00:21.16 | Kirito | cafuego, Have done that. |
| 00:21.21 | Kirito | Same problem |
| 00:21.32 | Kirito | Unless I'm somehow missing something |
| 00:21.46 | Kirito | I compiled everrything I could think of directly into the kernel and it still didn't work |
| 00:22.01 | cafuego | http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,13355,13355,quote=1 ? |
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| 00:23.14 | Kirito | This isn't an ARM device though |
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| 00:23.22 | Kirito | or booting from a "USB" device |
| 00:23.33 | Kirito | It's a virtualbox VM, booting from an emulated SCSI drive |
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| 00:26.45 | Kirito | I've also tried to find a way to enable CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_ORION but it ltierally does not exist when configuring the kernel using nconfig or menuconfig, and I don't understand why |
| 00:27.00 | Kirito | I can search for it, and it says it exists, but the line for the configuration does not |
| 00:27.44 | Kirito | "Support for Marvell EBU on-chip EHCI USB controller" does not exist where it says it does |
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| 00:34.09 | Kirito | Any other ideas? :D |
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| 00:46.41 | JeremyE77 | Fracking Postfix :P |
| 00:46.50 | JeremyE77 | errm NM |
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| 01:02.58 | Kirito | Of course :/ I'm just going to label this as broken beyond repair |
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| 01:35.07 | slikts | how does porting something to arm work? would it even be worth to try to make a backport from unstable if I'm using jessie on arm? |
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| 01:35.41 | cafuego | Depends |
| 01:36.09 | cafuego | If it's a scary app with lots of inline ASM, probably not :-) |
| 01:36.14 | slikts | I need quassel-core from unstable |
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| 01:36.43 | slikts | building anything on a rpi will probably take a day |
| 01:37.14 | cafuego | The quad core ones are pretty snappy |
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| 01:37.28 | slikts | mine certainly isn't |
| 01:37.51 | slikts | I don't even want to overclock it after the last time when it corrupted the fs |
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| 01:38.45 | cafuego | I assume you can't install the unstable quassel-core right on jessie due to depends? |
| 01:39.04 | g-n0m3 | #firefox-devs |
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| 01:39.18 | g-n0m3 | haha oops sorry |
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| 01:39.36 | slikts | I don't have an binary for it |
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| 01:39.40 | slikts | *arm binary |
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| 01:40.20 | its_a_unix | Is there anything I need to be careful of when running an OpenVPN server on my own personal computer? |
| 01:40.26 | themill | ,checkbackport quassel-core |
| 01:40.29 | cafuego | slikts: https://packages.debian.org/sid/armhf/quassel-core/download, no? |
| 01:40.32 | judd | Backporting package quassel-core in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libqca-qt5-2-dev, libdbusmenu-qt5-dev, extra-cmake-modules, libkf5textwidgets-dev, libkf5coreaddons-dev, libkf5xmlgui-dev, libkf5notifications-dev, libkf5notifyconfig-dev, libkf5widgetsaddons-dev. |
| 01:40.34 | themill | slikts: ^^ good luck with that |
| 01:40.59 | slikts | cafuego: hmm, worth a shot |
| 01:41.05 | atralheaven | I have a folder on '/var/www' directory as a download list, its not a public folder, only personal downloads, I want to be able to add/remove files on this folder as normal user, which permission changes should I apply? thanks |
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| 01:41.21 | themill | installing the sid package is highly unlikely to work |
| 01:41.23 | cafuego | slikts: It'll prolly do poo, considering what themill made the bot say. |
| 01:41.39 | markybob | atralheaven, add user to www-data group |
| 01:41.53 | slikts | is there a way to make a backport without being on arm? |
| 01:42.00 | karlpinc | slikts: You couldn't cross compile? That way at least it'd fail faster. :-) |
| 01:42.08 | cafuego | heh |
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| 01:43.05 | karlpinc | atralheaven: Perhaps add yourself to the www-data group? See also the <upg> facotid (iirc). |
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| 01:45.16 | themill | slikts: that backport is going to be difficult to do independent of the architecture -- it looks like it is the gui bits that the package builds that are hard to deal with though |
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| 01:46.29 | slikts | it shouldn't have any gui, or at least I don't need any |
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| 01:46.39 | dumbdude123 | aloha |
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| 01:47.13 | cafuego | Not sure if znc would be a viable alternative |
| 01:47.22 | cafuego | slikts: ^ |
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| 01:47.38 | themill | slikts: the package builds a gui (quassel-kde etc) |
| 01:47.38 | dumbdude123 | anyone mind helping me troubleshoot ? Been trying for a couple days and failing |
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| 01:47.56 | slikts | quassel is more than a bouncer |
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| 01:48.37 | slikts | it gives you backlog when connecting |
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| 01:49.12 | cafuego | So does znc, that's configurable. Possibly not as flexible though. |
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| 01:50.29 | slikts | hmm, if that's true, I could use znc instead |
| 01:50.38 | slikts | right now using irssi as a bouncer, but no backlog |
| 01:50.59 | karlpinc | !tell dumbdude123 about ask |
| 01:51.41 | karlpinc | dumbdude123: (The bot should have sent you a private message.) |
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| 01:52.21 | cafuego | slikts: irssi in screen's what I use :-) |
| 01:52.44 | dumbdude123 | ty! Fresh install of debian 8 jessie with xfce, didn't read the install all the way about grub not installing correctly when live booting from usb, used boot-repair from rescatux on cd to fix grub, can boot, but my settings don't seem to save after reboot/restart/ |
| 01:52.58 | cafuego | slikts: A quick check shows at least three backlog/replay modules for znc - contrib though, so you'll have to grab and bake 'em. |
| 01:53.09 | karlpinc | dumbdude123: What settings? |
| 01:53.18 | karlpinc | dumbdude123: Grub? |
| 01:53.36 | slikts | cafuego: thanks |
| 01:53.48 | dumbdude123 | not all of them, but audacious doesn't save changes, hotkeys dont save with xkb |
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| 01:54.35 | karlpinc | dumbdude123: You're booting off of usb, right? And you're whole system is on usb? |
| 01:54.49 | karlpinc | s/you're/your/ |
| 01:55.09 | dumbdude123 | Nope, installed to HDD, I also have another drive installed, but that's not automounted or in grub |
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| 01:55.53 | karlpinc | dumbdude123: Seems like you have different problems, each related to a different application, right? |
| 01:55.56 | dumbdude123 | i know i changed something, because it seems to keep bringing me back to what I had a couple of days ago, and from then on nothing seems to stick |
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| 01:56.30 | kloss14 | Hello. If I have the choice to install via apt or pip, I choose apt, right? |
| 01:56.33 | karlpinc | dumbdude123: Or is the whole system "reset"? |
| 01:56.34 | dumbdude123 | That i'm not so sure about, since they're the same symptoms |
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| 01:56.55 | dumbdude123 | that's what I believe it is |
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| 01:57.23 | dumbdude123 | I just had a page from debian open with jessie problems, and it listed init changes not being ported, im gonna try and find that real quick and try it out |
| 01:57.49 | dumbdude123 | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#idp39468672 |
| 01:58.32 | karlpinc | kloss14: It sorta depends on what you want to do. If you're setting up a virtualenv then maybe new stuff from pip is the right choice. |
| 01:59.28 | karlpinc | kloss14: If you're installing into your debian os then apt is probably best. |
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| 02:00.05 | kloss14 | karlpinc: Alright. I find it really confusing nowadays that there are so many package managers for everything. |
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| 02:01.13 | karlpinc | kloss14: Python makes it easy with virtualenv. It's like having your own mini-VM. Otherwise, it's always best to stick with the stock debian repos (apt) for your debian box. As always, there can be exceptions. See also the <overview> factoid. |
| 02:01.49 | kloss14 | msg dpkg overview |
| 02:02.21 | karlpinc | kloss14: It's a question of administration. Debian's magic pixie dust is that it has a zillion packages, so you can get _all_ your software from one place and somebody else has made sure everything will work together. |
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| 02:02.35 | karlpinc | kloss14: You want to "/msg" with the / at the beginning of the line. |
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| 02:04.24 | karlpinc | dumbdude123: If you have a fresh install then the release notes regards upgrading to a new release are immaterial. |
| 02:04.46 | dumbdude123 | wait debian magic pixie is a thing? that does what you said it does? I'm just now moving from ubuntu based distros to debian, and that sounds like what I was kinda looking for |
| 02:04.49 | kloss14 | karlpinc: I just mistyped the slash. I think it is just confusing with all the package managers. There is apt, npm, pip, pip3, gem, program addons (e.g. iceweasel) and all the like. I keep confusing if I want to update a program what package manager I have to use for that. |
| 02:05.29 | baum | why is there an iceweasel backports for squeeze, but not for jessie? |
| 02:05.30 | at0m | kloss14: in debian, apt :) |
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| 02:06.38 | kloss14 | at0m: I want to install thefuck. I can't do that with apt on stable if I am not mistaken. |
| 02:06.43 | dumbdude123 | karlpinc: the thing is that I wasn't even trying to upgrade to a newer distro, jessie was what I wanted, but I might have been overzealous with trying to update the packages from the original image, since they tend to be a lil out of date |
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| 02:07.55 | dumbdude123 | brb going to see if the issues fix fixed it |
| 02:07.56 | karlpinc | baum: Because the plan changed with jessie. The security team gave up on trying to backport specific fixes and just gets a whole new iceweasel. At least that's my take. You'll probably find more at mozilla.debian.net (iirc). |
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| 02:08.20 | karlpinc | dumbdude123: What's you're sources.list? Paste it in a pastebin somewhere. |
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| 02:09.04 | karlpinc | kloss14: Often it's in the debian repos. Or newer in the backport repos. Or even newer if you backport it yourself from sid. Or there's a package that lets you install from source and manage the result. |
| 02:09.12 | baum | karlpinc: i see, thanks |
| 02:09.21 | markybob | dumbdude123, how did you try to get these new packages? yeah, we need your sources.list |
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| 02:10.57 | karlpinc | kloss14: Try to install random stuff from random places and you'll eventually end up with an unmaintainable mess that grinds to a halt, just like happens with MS Windows boxes eventually. |
| 02:11.26 | kloss14 | karlpinc: That is why I am asking. |
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| 02:12.20 | slikts | markybob: he's a wizard, that's how he got them |
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| 02:12.55 | karlpinc | kloss14: Stick with apt. If you need something not in the repos for your debian release ask here. (Python is an exception, if you're developing you may want a virtualenv to develop the app in.) |
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| 02:15.30 | kloss14 | karlpinc: Ok I will do so. How would I go then to install thefuck (https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck)? It is not in the stable repository and not in backports. Should I try to install it from source? |
| 02:16.09 | slikts | kloss14: install it with pip |
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| 02:29.33 | bugnuts | is there a universal media server package for apt-get? |
| 02:29.43 | markybob | bugnuts, no |
| 02:29.47 | bugnuts | :( |
| 02:30.32 | markybob | bugnuts, it's not that bad. their tar.gz doesn't need to be installed. just run it. |
| 02:31.02 | karlpinc | What is a universal media server? |
| 02:31.03 | bugnuts | true, though its a strange feeling knowing something that debian DOSENT!!! do |
| 02:31.22 | markybob | karlpinc, dlna server. universalmediaserver.com |
| 02:31.40 | bugnuts | karlpinc, its streeming dlna, basically sreams your vids to xbox/ps |
| 02:31.49 | kloss14 | I thought KODI was one of those? |
| 02:31.57 | markybob | kloss14, it is |
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| 02:32.13 | bugnuts | i think ums is the best, with the drawback of java |
| 02:32.26 | kloss14 | markybob: But KODI is available via apt-get |
| 02:32.28 | markybob | ums is what i use |
| 02:32.32 | bugnuts | or at least most evolved |
| 02:32.39 | markybob | kloss14, so? that's not what he asked for |
| 02:32.58 | kloss14 | oh okay. Just wanted to be helpful. |
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| 02:38.39 | cafuego | bugnuts: minidlna? |
| 02:39.03 | bugnuts | ill give it a try thanks :) |
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| 02:39.35 | cafuego | my xbone plays off that quite happily when Kido in the Pi dies again *eyeroll* |
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| 02:41.19 | bugnuts | basically looking deeply at setting up a raid 10, dlna/ftp server with qubes and pickong over which template to use archlinux/debian/fedora though having issues figuriung out how to compile arch |
| 02:41.52 | bugnuts | qubes networking its tricky hoping to go with the least tempremental |
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| 02:50.15 | Tipping_Fedora | hey |
| 02:50.22 | Tipping_Fedora | can someone help me out? When trying to migrate a VM between machines from Virt-manager I get the error of Unable to migrate guest: Requested operation is not valid: network 'default' is not active |
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| 02:50.55 | Tipping_Fedora | anyone? |
| 02:51.56 | at0m | dpkg: tell Tipping_Fedora about crosspost |
| 02:52.36 | Tipping_Fedora | ? |
| 02:52.41 | Tipping_Fedora | ok |
| 02:52.50 | Tipping_Fedora | can you resend that to me? |
| 02:52.57 | Tipping_Fedora | sorry |
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| 02:53.02 | at0m | /msg dpkg crosspost |
| 02:53.08 | Tipping_Fedora | ok |
| 02:53.57 | Tipping_Fedora | ok, well thanks for the help |
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| 03:24.46 | Keridos | having a weird issue on debian jessie here. i try to update my jenkins via apt-get dist-upgrade but it fails to fetch it due to a 302 error, wgetting the file works though |
| 03:25.22 | jeep | Keridos: can you pastebin the error ? |
| 03:26.05 | Keridos | E: Fehlschlag beim Holen von http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/debian/binary/jenkins_1.647_all.deb 302 Found |
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| 03:27.35 | Keridos | jeep: that is it |
| 03:27.38 | Keridos | no fancy error logs |
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| 03:28.46 | jeep | works fine for me can you use a different mirror ? |
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| 03:42.18 | cheapie | I have a 32-bit program set up to run in Wine (64-bit OS) that needs OpenGL, but Wine gives me the error "err:wgl:has_opengl Failed to load libGL: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". The file it wants is present in both /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu (64-bit version) and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu (32-bit version). Is there a way to tell where it's looking for the file or any other ideas what the problem might be? |
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| 03:44.12 | cheapie | It also appears that if I run Wine with "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/" before it, the error changes to "err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"glu32.dll": libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". |
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| 03:48.27 | mfreedm1 | Hi there, can any one help me with debian install? |
| 03:50.08 | cheapie | mfreedm1: What's wrong with it? |
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| 03:52.24 | mfreedm1 | Well the issue is that when i first installed i ran into an error saying something along the lines of codename issue in the debootstrap |
| 03:52.37 | Keridos | hm it seems networking is a bit borky |
| 03:52.49 | Keridos | is there a way to restart networking jeep ? |
| 03:53.04 | cheapie | Keridos: sudo service networking restart (IIRC) |
| 03:53.20 | mfreedm1 | the magic webs said that i need to mount my usb as a cdrom in order to install properly |
| 03:53.49 | mfreedm1 | i tried but it seesm it wont allow me to do so |
| 03:53.51 | cheapie | mfreedm1: You shouldn't need to do that... I've installed from USB many times with no issues. |
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| 03:54.10 | cheapie | mfreedm1: It would be helpful to have the full text of the error. |
| 03:54.20 | mfreedm1 | "failed to determine the codename for the release" |
| 03:54.26 | cheapie | looks it up |
| 03:54.51 | cheapie | mfreedm1: How did you put the image on the flash drive? |
| 03:55.17 | mfreedm1 | i didnt, freind did. i think he used DD |
| 03:55.26 | cheapie | Huh. |
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| 03:56.00 | mfreedm1 | he should know what he is doing he has installed many times before. he just gave me dis usb and said boot via uefi |
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| 03:56.22 | cheapie | As far as mounting it under /cdrom, I'm not even sure if the installer /needs/ that, but at any rate, it should autodetect it as a "CD". |
| 03:56.27 | mfreedm1 | i tried the graphical installer and after doing everyhting - i ran in to error^ |
| 03:56.31 | cheapie | Does it say that it found a CD? |
| 03:56.48 | mfreedm1 | i dont think so |
| 03:57.12 | mfreedm1 | from what ive read others suggested doing "mount /dev/sdd /cdrom" |
| 03:57.18 | cheapie | You could try remounting it like the forum stuff there suggests. |
| 03:57.22 | mfreedm1 | but i get some issues when trying this |
| 03:57.41 | cheapie | The sdd part will vary depending on how many drives you have and a bunch of other things |
| 03:57.41 | cheapie | . |
| 03:58.00 | mfreedm1 | im pretty sure usb is sdd |
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| 03:58.19 | cheapie | In your case, or are you just assuming/reading that? |
| 03:58.25 | mfreedm1 | the issue is that when i try at first it says not found |
| 03:58.33 | cheapie | It'll be the first one that isn't taken. |
| 03:58.45 | mfreedm1 | if i set up the partinoner and attemt again it says i can do it because it is busy |
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| 03:59.00 | mfreedm1 | *attempt |
| 03:59.07 | mfreedm1 | *cant |
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| 03:59.14 | cheapie | Are you able to partition the hard drive and such with it? |
| 03:59.30 | mfreedm1 | with debian on the USB? yes |
| 03:59.45 | mfreedm1 | i have 3 other drives in tghere |
| 03:59.59 | mfreedm1 | *sry new keyboard |
| 04:00.13 | msn | I am doing some Disk IO test and i am seeing very stark performance drop from centos 6.5/ext3 -> jessie/ex4 the fwrite drop is about 10^8 |
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| 04:00.20 | msn | which is a huge factor |
| 04:00.30 | cheapie | You might just want one of those "businesscard" ones (if they even still have those ISOs), which fetches pretty much everything from the network and doesn't really care about whether it's a CD or not. |
| 04:00.34 | cheapie | looks |
| 04:01.18 | msn | even the scales are different, while centos 6.5/ext the minimum performance is 10^14 where as for jessie/ext4 its 10^6 |
| 04:01.20 | mfreedm1 | possibly |
| 04:01.25 | mfreedm1 | but this should work |
| 04:01.29 | mfreedm1 | says: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=110803 |
| 04:01.42 | mfreedm1 | which attempts to mount usb as a cdrom |
| 04:02.19 | Keridos | jeep: what makes me wonder is that wget can download the file on my server |
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| 04:03.04 | cheapie | Can you do "ls /dev" within the installer, then unplug the flash drive, do it again, and see what goes away? |
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| 04:04.16 | mfreedm1 | you suggesting unplugging while the installer is on my cpu? |
| 04:04.32 | cheapie | Unplugging the flash drive, yes. |
| 04:05.02 | cheapie | The installer doesn't quite run from the flash drive, but rather from its initramfs. |
| 04:06.24 | mfreedm1 | not sure what that is (still new to this) |
| 04:06.34 | Keridos | wow apparently apt-get has some weird issues there, or maybe the whole networking |
| 04:06.44 | cheapie | Keridos: What's yours doing now? |
| 04:06.50 | Keridos | still 302 errors |
| 04:07.07 | mfreedm1 | but if you want me to mount it, remove usb, insert usb request mount? |
| 04:07.08 | Keridos | but when apg-get update it loads quite a few files that are exactly 162 B in size |
| 04:07.21 | Keridos | that sounds like an error page or sth. like that |
| 04:07.40 | mfreedm1 | will that mess up anything |
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| 04:08.04 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Don't bother mounting it. Boot up the installer in expert mode, go straight to "Execute a shell", "ls /dev", unplug drive, "ls /dev". |
| 04:08.10 | cheapie | Keridos: What's the URL? |
| 04:08.33 | cheapie | Keridos: Also, 302's not an error. It's a redirect. |
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| 04:10.04 | cheapie | Keridos: I just tried wget, and it's pretty much exactly what I thought. It's a 302 redirect, which does lead to the file. |
| 04:10.29 | Keridos | cheapie: yeah but why on earth does apt-get not follow that |
| 04:10.37 | cheapie | Keridos: Your apt is too old to understand those, I guess. Never versions do. |
| 04:10.52 | Keridos | its debian jessie, the bug was fixed in 2009 |
| 04:11.22 | mfreedm1 | ok so "ls dev" looks the same both pre/post usb removal |
| 04:11.35 | cheapie | Keridos: Might be a config issue somewhere? I'm not too familiar with the inner workings of apt. |
| 04:11.46 | Keridos | did not configure anything |
| 04:11.46 | cheapie | mfreedm1: You put a / before "dev", right? |
| 04:11.54 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Like "ls /dev"? |
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| 04:12.00 | mfreedm1 | shit |
| 04:12.14 | mfreedm1 | give me a sec* |
| 04:12.31 | Keridos | aptitude does the same thing |
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| 04:16.15 | cheapie | Keridos: Try putting the contents of http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14885234/ in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99redirect |
| 04:16.50 | cheapie | If some other file in apt.conf.d turns redirect off, that should turn it back on (the "99" means it runs last). |
| 04:17.42 | mfreedm1 | ok so now it seems that sdd is missing in the second call (pretty sure thats the usb) |
| 04:17.56 | Keridos | cheapie: still does not work |
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| 04:18.15 | Keridos | I wonder if apt tries a different url than wget |
| 04:18.21 | cheapie | mfreedm1: OK, and is there an sdd1 or just sdd? |
| 04:18.43 | cheapie | Keridos: What's the exact error you're getting? |
| 04:19.10 | Keridos | https://paste.ee/p/hLfCA |
| 04:19.13 | Keridos | its in german though |
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| 04:23.18 | cheapie | Keridos: I know you said apt should be up-to-date, but can you just try "apt-get --version" and see what it returns? |
| 04:23.43 | Keridos | apt 1.0.9.8.2 für amd64, kompiliert am Sep 15 2015 21:44:33 |
| 04:23.48 | cheapie | Huh. |
| 04:24.00 | cheapie | Your next stop /might/ be the bug tracker... |
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| 04:24.14 | Keridos | i am not sure if it is apt bugging |
| 04:24.22 | Keridos | my gradle dependency resolution took ages as well |
| 04:24.40 | Keridos | maybe the internet net connection of the server has issues with http connections |
| 04:24.40 | cheapie | I don't see why it would be refusing to follow redirects even if pretty much being explicitly told to do so. |
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| 04:24.49 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I need help with apt-cacher. It's driving me completely insane, telling me there are problems with a configuration line _that's identical to one in the example file_. WTF?! |
| 04:25.19 | cheapie | wonders what's taking mfreedm1 so long... |
| 04:25.23 | butteredpopcorn | I'm running Jessie and trying to run openvpn. it works when I run it manually but not when I run service openvpn start, it says its running but I cant connect (I can connect when I run it manually) |
| 04:25.55 | Pegasus_RPG | http://paste.debian.net/378623/ |
| 04:26.13 | Pegasus_RPG | And I get Thu Feb 4 23:23:36 2016|warn [6755]: Invalid configuration line in /etc/apt-cacher/conf.d/renegade.conf: ubuntu\ archive\.ubuntu\.com\/ubuntu\ \;. Skipping file |
| 04:26.32 | Pegasus_RPG | WTF is wrong with that line!? |
| 04:26.44 | Pegasus_RPG | (or the line above it?) |
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| 04:29.44 | cheapie | Pegasus_RPG: The only thing that I see that looks like it might be a problem is that you have path_map split across 3 lines. |
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| 04:30.10 | cheapie | Pegasus_RPG: Try removing the line feeds after the semicolons and trying again. |
| 04:30.16 | mfreedm1 | so what should i do next? |
| 04:30.31 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Is there an sdd1 or just an sdd? |
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| 04:31.19 | mfreedm1 | pre usb removal had sdd/sdd1/sdd2 | post has no sdd of any kind |
| 04:31.27 | pantato | does anyone know a vps provider with relatively large HD space? |
| 04:31.58 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Huh, not sure why the drive would have two partitions if the image was dd-ed... |
| 04:33.16 | mfreedm1 | should i mount the usb and see what partitions are on the usb? |
| 04:33.19 | cheapie | mfreedm1: I suspect some kind of unnecessary tool was used instead. If you don't care about the content of the drive, you might want to try dd-ing a fresh image to it (I think there are tools for that under Windows if you don't have another Linux box). |
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| 04:34.12 | cheapie | mfreedm1: I suspect sdd1 is an EFI system partition and sdd2 is the actual data. |
| 04:34.21 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Try "mount /dev/sdd2 /cdrom". |
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| 04:35.35 | mfreedm1 | with usb back in - one se |
| 04:35.39 | mfreedm1 | *sec |
| 04:35.41 | Pegasus_RPG | cheapie: okay that seems to have fixed it. But why does the example file imply that multiple lines are okay? |
| 04:36.20 | cheapie | Pegasus_RPG: No idea. Where is this example file located (URL or the path it installed to, whichever you're referencing)? I can take a look at it. |
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| 04:36.37 | Pegasus_RPG | cheapie: /etc/apt-cacher/apt-cacher.conf |
| 04:36.41 | cheapie | looks |
| 04:37.35 | mfreedm1 | "no such file or directory" |
| 04:38.28 | cheapie | mfreedm1: That's rather odd. You do have the slashes in there, right? |
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| 04:38.37 | mfreedm1 | yup |
| 04:39.03 | cheapie | Pegasus_RPG: Looks like somebody did that to make it fit in the horizontal space they wanted it to. |
| 04:39.09 | mfreedm1 | same thing on "mount /dev/sdd1 |
| 04:39.13 | mfreedm1 | and "sdd" |
| 04:39.39 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Is there a "cdrom" listed in "ls /"? |
| 04:39.51 | Pegasus_RPG | cheapie: okay, I guess \s need to be added to that example then. I did that to my production file and it loads successfully now. |
| 04:40.00 | mfreedm1 | no |
| 04:40.13 | cheapie | Pegasus_RPG: Now you have something to whine at the devs about :P |
| 04:40.21 | Pegasus_RPG | hehe |
| 04:40.39 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Try "mkdir /cdrom", then "mount /dev/sdd2 /cdrom" again. |
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| 04:41.13 | cheapie | will be back in a few minutes |
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| 04:41.16 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm still having another problem with apt-cacher though: when I have two source servers (as in the first line of that path_map) I see errors like info [7900]: Invalid range: 713744- (cached length 110256) in it's error.log |
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| 04:41.34 | themill | I'm remembering why I use apt-cacher-ng instead |
| 04:42.03 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: it is better this way? |
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| 04:42.42 | themill | well it just works⢠and the little configuration I've wanted to do was easily completed |
| 04:43.05 | Pegasus_RPG | I guess I need to look at moving to that then |
| 04:43.26 | Pegasus_RPG | Is it difficult? Can I import my rather large cache of packages? |
| 04:43.39 | Pegasus_RPG | I remember trying to use it once but don't know why it failed |
| 04:43.45 | Pegasus_RPG | or why I stopped |
| 04:43.55 | mfreedm1 | same issues |
| 04:44.02 | themill | The ease in changing between two bits of software is normally related to how customised (or otherwise) your configuration is |
| 04:44.07 | mfreedm1 | i tried ls /dev and it definitely sees sdd2 |
| 04:44.17 | mfreedm1 | also ls now shows cdrom aswell |
| 04:44.39 | cheapie | reappears |
| 04:44.54 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: mine is pretty much just a list of repos in path_map |
| 04:44.57 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Still no such file or directory? |
| 04:45.02 | Pegasus_RPG | everything else is default. I'll give it a try now |
| 04:45.05 | mfreedm1 | ya |
| 04:45.19 | mfreedm1 | but i clearly see it in /dev |
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| 04:46.09 | cheapie | mfreedm1: That's odd. It /might/ be an FS type that the installer doesn't support, and it's looking for the files to do so? It's hard to tell what the "no such file or directory" is even coming from or referring to. |
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| 04:46.38 | mfreedm1 | its not refering to /cdrom right? |
| 04:46.58 | mfreedm1 | that wasnt created up until now |
| 04:47.12 | cheapie | mfreedm1: I have no idea what it's referring to, but I'm suspecting that there's something "funny" with how the image was put on the drive. |
| 04:47.38 | mfreedm1 | um ok |
| 04:47.43 | mfreedm1 | thats no bueno |
| 04:47.46 | cheapie | mfreedm1: You could always try dd-ing a fresh image to the drive. |
| 04:47.54 | mfreedm1 | sure |
| 04:48.24 | mfreedm1 | but im not sure where/what image to get from debian |
| 04:48.42 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Does the computer in question have a wired network connection? |
| 04:48.52 | mfreedm1 | yes |
| 04:49.08 | cheapie | mfreedm1: You almost certainly want this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:50.01 | mfreedm1 | now as for DD'ing, is there anything special I need to do? any thing i should do to the drive first? |
| 04:50.24 | petn-randall | mfreedm1: use cp, as dd by default uses a block size of 1. |
| 04:50.40 | cheapie | mfreedm1: dd will wipe the contents of the drive, essentially, so there's nothing special other than being absolutely sure you have the right device and a sane block size. |
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| 04:50.50 | petn-randall | mfreedm1: cp debian.iso /dev/sdx |
| 04:50.58 | cheapie | mfreedm1: (bs=4M or so will work for the block size issue) |
| 04:51.09 | cheapie | mfreedm1: petn-randall's suggestion works too. |
| 04:51.29 | mfreedm1 | shoudl i use dd to format? |
| 04:51.58 | cheapie | mfreedm1: cp or dd (whichever you choose) will "format" the drive (if you want to call it that) as part of this. |
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| 04:52.01 | petn-randall | mfreedm1: no |
| 04:52.35 | cheapie | mfreedm1: They basically ignore whatever's on the drive (partition table, FS, data...) and replace it with a bit-for-bit copy of the ISO you give it. |
| 04:53.44 | cheapie | mfreedm1: Just be careful with selecting the right destination, as you can wipe your hard drive if you accidentally pick that instead. |
| 04:54.28 | mfreedm1 | learned that the hard way on my first tutorial of linux (now i know why its called DD) |
| 04:54.43 | mfreedm1 | was a fresh install so I lost nothing |
| 04:55.36 | mfreedm1 | I thought that cp just copies the contents over. does it remove everyhting else on the drive aswell? |
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| 04:56.17 | cheapie | mfreedm1: If you specify the device name (/dev/sdwhatever), it's writing it straight to the drive, overwriting the filesystem and all other data. |
| 04:56.54 | mfreedm1 | oh so its a special use of cp ... i guess (writing all this down for future notes) |
| 04:57.00 | cheapie | mfreedm1: If you specify a mount point (such as /mnt or /media/mfreedm1/whatever), it'll put it as a file on the drive (NOT what you want). |
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| 04:57.23 | mfreedm1 | mount point vs device name - got it |
| 04:57.49 | cheapie | mfreedm1: It's taking advantage of the whole Unix-y "everything is a file" stuff. You can cp your hard drive to the printer if you want. |
| 04:58.14 | mfreedm1 | any reason why there is both dd and cp (last side question) |
| 04:58.30 | mfreedm1 | both do the same thing, right? |
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| 04:59.19 | cheapie | mfreedm1: dd has more options (and can do all sorts of stuff). cp isn't as powerful, but easier to get right. |
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| 05:00.11 | cheapie | mfreedm1: I prefer dd because it gives statistics and progress (when it receives SIGUSR1), and can do fancy stuff like synchronous I/O. |
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| 05:11.06 | pbase | i have a disk image -.img file (~200Gb) which has a lot of free space ~100Gb in it. Is it possible to free the space from it? |
| 05:11.32 | msn | is this a vm? |
| 05:11.36 | msn | is this a vm image? |
| 05:11.49 | pbase | msn: no. it is the image of a data partition |
| 05:12.22 | msn | you could bzip2 it empty space compresses really well |
| 05:12.25 | cheapie | pbase: If you're just archiving it (not needing to mount it in the "shrunken" state), plain old compressing it should work. |
| 05:13.55 | markybob | i'd use xz, not bzip2 |
| 05:15.16 | pbase | i am extracting data from it gradually. dont want to keep it bzip. the space if freed up from the image can be used for storing the same extracted data |
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| 05:17.43 | pbase | is there something like a shrink image ? |
| 05:18.32 | themill | if it's a filesystem image, then tools designed to let you resize a filesystem would work |
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| 05:19.40 | pbase | essentially this is the same requirement - http://superuser.com/questions/610819/how-to-resize-img-file-created-with-dd |
| 05:20.10 | pbase | themill: yes. filesystem image |
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| 05:20.49 | pbase | will this work -resize2fs -M xxx.img ? |
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| 05:26.34 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: ahh now I remember... my many clients use sources like deb http://cacheserver:3142/debian jessie main non-free contrib |
| 05:27.16 | Pegasus_RPG | And according to https://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/html/config-servquick.html I have to run to all of my clients and change that |
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| 05:27.20 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: I prefer to not have to modify sources.list everywhere to use a proxy. http_proxy exists for a reason |
| 05:27.36 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: sure but it's already been done on my many clients |
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| 05:28.01 | themill | yeah, of course you've got a nice configuration management tool for that many clients, don't you |
| 05:28.09 | Pegasus_RPG | Besides, I like it this way so if a particular URL changes or I want to use a different mirror, I change it on the cacher server and I'm done |
| 05:28.25 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: actually no I don't XD |
| 05:28.29 | themill | with apt-cacher-ng you change it on the server too |
| 05:29.24 | Pegasus_RPG | reads advanced server config |
| 05:30.33 | Pegasus_RPG | First question: do I just drop a new file in /etc/apt-cacher-ng to override what's in acng.conf? |
| 05:30.43 | Pegasus_RPG | (That file seems to imply that) |
| 05:31.09 | Pegasus_RPG | ah, alpha order |
| 05:31.59 | themill | I point all machines to httpredir.d.o and then use remap.conf to map that mirror to wherever I want (and if I am away from the cache for any reason, the config is all still valid) |
| 05:32.43 | themill | And if httpredir.d.o gives me a mirror I don't like, I can also change that using /etc/apt-cacher-ng/remap.conf |
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| 05:39.29 | Pegasus_RPG | ah okay cool thank you |
| 05:40.18 | Pegasus_RPG | but what is httpredir.d.o exactly? |
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| 05:41.11 | markybob | !httpredir.debian.org |
| 05:41.12 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
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| 05:44.16 | Pegasus_RPG | sweet |
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| 05:47.19 | mfreedm1 | hello there again. can some one tell me how to check if i got the iso on my usb correctly? |
| 05:48.11 | nkuttler | mfreedm1: just boot it? |
| 05:48.29 | themill | !check iso image |
| 05:48.29 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
| 05:48.30 | nkuttler | mfreedm1: usually you check the iso file before you install it on a device.. |
| 05:48.41 | markybob | mfreedm1, how did you transfer the image to the usb? |
| 05:49.13 | mfreedm1 | i got an iso file form a good link but is all i need to do "cp debain......iso /dev/sdb"? |
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| 05:50.34 | markybob | mfreedm1, that's all you need to do. |
| 05:50.52 | markybob | !tell mfreedm1 about ig |
| 05:51.40 | themill | checking that the copy worked OK is an entirely sensible thing to do |
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| 05:51.56 | mfreedm1 | ig? (im new here) |
| 05:52.01 | markybob | never said it wasn't |
| 05:52.05 | mfreedm1 | *new to irc |
| 05:53.22 | mfreedm1 | should i do graphic install? or just install for debian? |
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| 06:02.26 | PhoenixFyre | hi all. I finally got i-mscp installed. on my debian 8 but now I cannot access the admin control pannel from a remote machine's web browser. my imscp is running on a cloud virtual machine, and I saw in the wiki that that might an issue. If I ssh into the machine, and use lynx to connect to the url, the loggin screen comes up ok, but from a remote web browser this doesn't work. can someone |
| 06:02.26 | PhoenixFyre | please point me in the direction to get this resolved? |
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| 06:02.48 | jeddi | mfreedm1: i prefer normal (non-graphic) install. |
| 06:03.11 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 06:04.15 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: which package did you install? |
| 06:04.31 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: sounds like they've locked it down to localhost access to the gui (speculative) |
| 06:04.52 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: test it by doing an ssh with local port forward - is it accessed via tcp/443 ? |
| 06:05.16 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: actually, if you can hit it from localhost, then that's almost definitely it. |
| 06:05.19 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi umm, I couldn't find a i-mscp package via apt-get. I followed the wiki site instructions on i-scp.net and it told me to get the package via github. |
| 06:05.36 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: right. so not really a debian problem you're having, is it? ; ) |
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| 06:06.08 | ainsleyuck81 | hey, trying to dL a new distro cuz i pooched the last one |
| 06:06.16 | ainsleyuck81 | BUT the info-hashes NEVER EVER match |
| 06:06.19 | ainsleyuck81 | like, EVER |
| 06:06.22 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: there'll be a config file somewhere that will define visibility of the admin console. it may be limited to loopback (lo device) or to one or more useful interfaces, but limit IP address ranges of who can access the console. a gain, somewhat speculative. |
| 06:06.28 | ainsleyuck81 | is this...a thing? |
| 06:06.40 | ainsleyuck81 | ive been at it for two days |
| 06:06.44 | PhoenixFyre | what is wierd is they say I should be able to access it from my remote web browser. but the issue is that I think my machine is on a cloud instance, basicly a private lan. it set the server base ip as the private lan ip, but it did detect the public facing ip as well. but I just don't know this system well enough to really figure this out. |
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| 06:07.09 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi I don't know if it was a dbian problem. |
| 06:07.11 | ainsleyuck81 | trying various distros, and i would take anything at this point as long as the hashes matched but they never do |
| 06:07.15 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: can you ssh to the instance directly to its IP address? (the one that matches the output of ifconfig on the host) |
| 06:07.25 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: it's not - but let's work through it. |
| 06:07.38 | PhoenixFyre | debian I mean, I'm new to i-mscp, and kind of new to debian. :) but if there was someone here that has done it I thought I'd ask them. |
| 06:07.46 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: most VPS providers give you a public ipv4 address by default - are you doing something exotic? |
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| 06:08.19 | jeddi | ainsleyuck81: that's not normal. |
| 06:08.27 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi yes I can ssh to the instance no problem to the public ip. I can even go to the http://host.domain.com and see the debian apache starter page. but when I go to https://host.domain.com:4443 I get a 404 |
| 06:08.42 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: ahh - separate port number. gotcha. |
| 06:08.52 | ainsleyuck81 | yeah im getting a very fishy/unpleasant feeling about this |
| 06:08.59 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: can you telnet to that host & port combo? command: telnet host.domain.com 4443 |
| 06:09.16 | ainsleyuck81 | and also on the verge of punching a hole through my monitor |
| 06:09.29 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: you'll either get two lines saying unable to connect, or several lines of (proabbly) garbage. the latter is good. |
| 06:09.53 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi let me try and ttelnet to that host:port give me a second. |
| 06:09.57 | jeddi | ainsleyuck81: share your md5 / sha / etc checksumming you're doing, and the url you've used to obtain your image, in pastebin please and share the link |
| 06:10.03 | ainsleyuck81 | im running on an old #! live usb |
| 06:10.18 | ainsleyuck81 | okay |
| 06:10.20 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: this'll prove out if you've got access to the port, and it' the application that's stopping you. |
| 06:11.20 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi yup, I get a connection refused. |
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| 06:11.49 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi should I telnet to the same host port on the actual machine? |
| 06:11.51 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: not sure on your skill level, but you could also try this to get you going quickly - bit of a workaround, but hsould get you decent GUI access -- ssh -L 4443:localhost:4443 host.domain.com |
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| 06:12.08 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: and then use your web browser to point to http://localhost:4443/ (you may need https://) |
| 06:12.12 | ainsleyuck81 | i have to d/l again cuz i keep deleting the trash iso's |
| 06:12.16 | ainsleyuck81 | but i expect the same result |
| 06:12.20 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: we know telnet on the local machine will work, because lynx worked. |
| 06:12.29 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: try telnet from your workstation where you are now. |
| 06:12.44 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi I did. no go. |
| 06:13.02 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: okay - so it's not listening on that port number. so it's probably an application configuration. |
| 06:13.12 | mfreedm1 | do i want to continue with a network mirror? not sure what this is? |
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| 06:13.42 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: gawd I hate sourceforge... |
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| 06:13.49 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi when I am on the machine with imscp, when I ssh into it, then telnet to the host port combo, I get the telnet opens the http port, and get the stuff you were talking about |
| 06:13.50 | jeddi | mfreedm1: you do, yes. |
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| 06:13.56 | jeddi | mfreedm1: pick one geographically close to you. |
| 06:14.02 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi so somewhere the imscp is blocking remote connections? |
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| 06:14.25 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: yeah - lots of apps don't listen on netowrk interfaces by dfeault until you actively enable them. security. |
| 06:14.40 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: where are the imscp config files living? /etc/imscp ? |
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| 06:15.17 | PhoenixFyre | jeddithis is wierd. imscp is built to be accessed remotely. it is is kind of for hosting companies that want to give customers sort of a cpannel experience. |
| 06:15.34 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi yeah, /etc/imscp |
| 06:15.46 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: okay. cd /etc/imscp ; grep listen * |
| 06:15.55 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi I think I'll troll all of the files and search any reference to the network interfaces. |
| 06:16.09 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: try above first. |
| 06:16.13 | poffs | I need help with ifconfig / route. I want to route all my traffic > tun0 > ssh tunnel |
| 06:16.32 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi onething I just found when I look under /var/logs/imscp, I see a logfile for eth1, which is my private facing lan card. eth0 is the public facing lan card. |
| 06:17.00 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi so it doesn't seem to be locking in on eth0, only eth1. so your theory seems to be holding true. |
| 06:17.18 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: okay - so possibly try: cd /etc/imscp ; grep eth * |
| 06:17.29 | mfreedm1 | are the standard system utilities helpful for debian or are they al efectively bloatware? |
| 06:17.33 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: the tarball doesn't contain useful content - and i refuse to install anything i d/l'ed from SF. |
| 06:17.38 | jeddi | mfreedm1: you want them. |
| 06:17.49 | jeddi | mfreedm1: we are not in the land of microsoft windows. |
| 06:17.54 | mfreedm1 | ok |
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| 06:18.12 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi:) no worries man. I really appreciate you walking me through some things to trouble shoot. |
| 06:18.13 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: any luck with those greps? |
| 06:18.21 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: easy problems are fun to fix :) |
| 06:18.24 | PhoenixFyre | jeddi working it now. |
| 06:19.07 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: so, search for strings 'eth' 'listen' and perhaps 'interface' |
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| 06:20.55 | mfreedm1 | the next question is about the master boot loader. as it is now i have installed debain on a completely seperate drive from my windows partition ( i still want win to me my defualt) what should i do about letting grub be the mater boot loader? |
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| 06:25.33 | mfreedm1 | so should i make grub the mastwer boot loader? |
| 06:27.41 | jeddi | mfreedm1: yes. |
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| 06:28.07 | jeddi | mfreedm1: grub's pretty smart these days about working out what else you want to boot, and setting it up automatically. you'll get some options on the next page from memory. |
| 06:28.51 | somiaj | if you have multiple oses, you'll want the package os-proper, which will detect and include additional osesautomatically |
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| 06:29.32 | mfreedm1 | sure sure, but windows boots up pretty fast from start to finish, im sure grub will make me wait for a bit before selecting an OS. |
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| 06:29.55 | jeddi | somiaj: wow - i've never even heard of os-proper package (and i don't have it here - but i'm a bit of hyrbid testing / unstable) |
| 06:30.19 | jeddi | mfreedm1: the intent is that you boot debian gnu/linux by default, and need to press some keys to go into windows ;) |
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| 06:30.58 | jeddi | mfreedm1: note that if you reboot later and don't get a windows option - don't panic - it's easy to add back in in later when you're in debian. |
| 06:30.58 | mfreedm1 | isnt it based on the preference of the user to boot from their OS of choice by default? |
| 06:31.05 | jeddi | mfreedm1: it is. i was being humorous. |
| 06:31.13 | mfreedm1 | oh.... |
| 06:31.31 | mfreedm1 | new to linux (havent thrown out windows yet) |
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| 06:32.48 | mfreedm1 | still decing... ass of now its been a nightmare (this is my third install of linux today - other 2 variants either crashed or were broken in some other way) |
| 06:32.55 | mfreedm1 | *deciding |
| 06:34.35 | jeddi | mfreedm1: ms-windows is not necessarily the paragon of stability. i wouldn't make any decisions based on a single day's experience with an OS. much is different - neither better nor worse, merely different. so give it some time. and lots of people here can help, if google fails you. |
| 06:35.16 | ainsleyuck81 | wow. i just figured it out i should punch a hole through myself |
| 06:35.21 | ainsleyuck81 | apparently there is a such thing as a sha256 sum |
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| 06:35.28 | jeddi | ainsleyuck81: indeedly. |
| 06:35.29 | ainsleyuck81 | and i wasnt reading thoroughly |
| 06:35.34 | jeddi | what were you using? |
| 06:35.37 | ainsleyuck81 | sha1 |
| 06:35.49 | jeddi | ainsleyuck81: right. |
| 06:35.55 | jeddi | ainsleyuck81: that'll do it. |
| 06:36.10 | ainsleyuck81 | ive never had to use this kind before so i was kind of on autopilot |
| 06:36.29 | ainsleyuck81 | well, thanks for, um, nudging me in a way |
| 06:36.37 | mfreedm1 | im willing to try linux for a while - its a bit different for some things and i think i can make a lot out of it. Plus im learning to code so i thought it would be more effective for some things |
| 06:36.39 | jeddi | ainsleyuck81: fairy nuff. it's rare these days to have iso blobs corrupted in transit. not impossible. merely rare. |
| 06:36.53 | ainsleyuck81 | i'll keep that in mind |
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| 06:37.14 | jeddi | mfreedm1: i'm not a developer, but, yeah, some say it's a better environment - i guess depending on what language / framework you're using. |
| 06:37.39 | mfreedm1 | im in it for the experience |
| 06:37.45 | jeddi | mfreedm1: it'll certainly be that. |
| 06:38.53 | mfreedm1 | nonetheless id still like to keep windows my default OS - and having it boot up uber fast is nice |
| 06:39.25 | jeddi | mfreedm1: sure. i have my laptop dual-booting to win7 / debian -- i have a 5s wait on the grub page - but it's of course configurable. |
| 06:39.48 | mfreedm1 | any ways what i want is to install grub on the HDD with linux and keep windows sdd free of grub |
| 06:40.02 | swift110-phone | Cool |
| 06:40.18 | jeddi | mfreedm1: make a note - later on the file you want to change is /etc/default/grub -- there's a GRUB_DEFAULT (for which is booted by default) and GRUB_TIMEOUT which is what it sounds like. you can change that and then re-run 'update-grub' command. |
| 06:41.09 | jeddi | mfreedm1: okay - then you're getting into the realm of bios / efi understanding of where it can find a bootsector, and that depends on vintage of your hardware and so on. i'd suggest installing grub to the first drive in your system - much simpler, minimal risk / impact. |
| 06:41.32 | mfreedm1 | sure i understand - but for other personal reasons (trying to distance the OS's from eachother) id like grub to apply only when i boot to the hdd with linux |
| 06:41.58 | jeddi | mfreedm1: how would you select that you boot from the hard disk with debian on it then? |
| 06:42.09 | jeddi | grub *is* the mechanism by which you select which OS to boot into. |
| 06:42.24 | jeddi | mfreedm1: alternative question - what's your current bootloader? |
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| 06:43.06 | mfreedm1 | i would assume windows bootloader it the only other OS available |
| 06:43.10 | jusss | hi there, where I can find grub-ia32.efi ? |
| 06:43.20 | jeddi | mfreedm1: can windows bootloader point to alien os's? |
| 06:43.25 | jeddi | i really don't know. |
| 06:43.46 | jusss | I need grub-ia32.efi to boot 64bit ISO file |
| 06:44.23 | jeddi | mfreedm1: oh - apparently it can. i've found a few links, like this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62440/is-it-possible-to-boot-ubuntu-using-the-windows-bootloader |
| 06:44.46 | mfreedm1 | hmmm.... maybe |
| 06:45.07 | jeddi | so in that case they're syaing install grub on the drive with the gnu/linux system. |
| 06:45.08 | mfreedm1 | let me ask this -- whnat happens if i dont make grub my master boot record? |
| 06:45.15 | jeddi | then later within windows you go and faff with this stuff. |
| 06:45.30 | jeddi | mfreedm1: well when you boot next time, it'll go to where it normally does -- windows 7 or whatever you've got. |
| 06:45.43 | jeddi | then you'll need to run through this 'add debian to the windows boot selection' process. |
| 06:45.50 | mfreedm1 | ok |
| 06:46.06 | jeddi | mfreedm1: uncharted waters for me. |
| 06:46.53 | jeddi | mfreedm1: actually this page is more instructive, including some opinions on the process: http://superuser.com/questions/499617/how-can-i-add-linux-to-the-new-windows-8-boot-manager |
| 06:47.05 | mfreedm1 | i could also continue without GRUB. i could just boot to the hdd via the bios.. |
| 06:47.53 | mfreedm1 | is that corerect? |
| 06:48.17 | jeddi | mfreedm1: yup. sometimes bios sets up different drive orderings if you start to boot that way - so what you might call c:\ (which we'd call /dev/sda (sata disk a) might be flipped around to the secondary disk if you tell bios to boot from the second drive. depends how bios does it. hsould be okay. |
| 06:48.38 | jeddi | mfreedm1: you won't break anything. |
| 06:49.04 | jeddi | mfreedm1: again, as i say, you're at the mercy of how different bios's work. |
| 06:49.32 | jeddi | mfreedm1: but best bet is to try it - might work first go (wahoo!) ... might require a bit more work (no biggy!) |
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| 06:50.20 | jeddi | mfreedm1: and once you trust the system, it's really easy to install grub to your first drive later, or implement the dual-boot option from ms-windows. |
| 06:50.27 | mfreedm1 | ok so i think im done with the install then now i should be able to boot to debian ... i hope |
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| 06:50.34 | jeddi | one way to find out :) |
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| 06:52.22 | poffs | how do i route all my connections through an ssh tunnel? no gui |
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| 06:53.30 | jeddi | poffs: http://superuser.com/questions/62303/how-can-i-tunnel-all-of-my-network-traffic-through-ssh |
| 06:53.55 | themill | sshuttle is convenient |
| 06:54.13 | mfreedm1 | ok so plan failed ... or something... grub looks installed on the hdd with linux ... but grub looks busted |
| 06:54.28 | jeddi | mfreedm1: busted? |
| 06:55.14 | bugnuts | poffs i find ssh -D 8080 server.address.com -l login |
| 06:55.17 | mfreedm1 | ok so windows still works so not everything is dead |
| 06:55.22 | bugnuts | poffs, usefull |
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| 06:55.51 | jeddi | mfreedm1: so you tried booting via bios drive selection? |
| 06:56.00 | jeddi | PhoenixFyre: how did you go? |
| 06:56.02 | bugnuts | then configure all your applications .bashrc to use socks5 proxy 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:56.07 | mfreedm1 | yeah and it falied on the othe rhdd |
| 06:56.08 | bugnuts | on port 8080 |
| 06:56.19 | mfreedm1 | so can i reinstall grub? |
| 06:56.19 | jeddi | mfreedm1: grub screen came up? |
| 06:56.51 | mfreedm1 | yeah but it looked busted. i think it said rescue mode |
| 06:56.56 | jeddi | mfreedm1: re-installing grub from a live-cd ... can be a bit of fun, because you need to point at the target drive / partition. and we know that what you've done doesn't work. so you'd need to try something different. |
| 06:57.05 | jeddi | mfreedm1: what did you do when it said rescue mode? |
| 06:57.28 | jeddi | mfreedm1: when the grub menu comes up press cursor-down to instantly stop the timer countdown .. gives you time to read the screen or take a photo. |
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| 06:58.21 | mfreedm1 | it says "entering fie /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found |entering rescue mode| grub rescue> |
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| 06:58.48 | mfreedm1 | *file |
| 06:58.53 | jeddi | mfreedm1: right. so it can't find /boot partition. it may be related to the way bios presents drives when you start booting from the second drive. |
| 06:58.56 | jeddi | mfreedm1: *may* |
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| 06:59.11 | mfreedm1 | so any ideas? |
| 06:59.24 | mfreedm1 | i still have the iso on the usb |
| 06:59.33 | jeddi | mfreedm1: you don't like my idea -- install grub on first drive. |
| 06:59.47 | jeddi | mfreedm1: second option may be to fiddle with windows boot selection (as shown in previous urls') |
| 07:00.16 | mfreedm1 | can i remove grub completeyl and just use bios to selct OS? |
| 07:00.25 | jeddi | mfreedm1: third option is to continue to fight through and get this working - but at that point you're trying to work out what your bios does to drive numbering if you boot from secondary disk, and other potential oddities. |
| 07:00.46 | jeddi | mfreedm1: if grub can't find /boot - then i'm not sure how bios would. |
| 07:01.29 | jeddi | mfreedm1: /boot contains kernel + initial ramdisk (image) -- the initrd file -- both are obviously quite essential to start the machine :) |
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| 07:02.15 | mfreedm1 | ok ok so my best option is to install grub on the first... if this is what must be done - then i guess ill try - so long as i can guarnetee that windows wont be affected in any way by grub |
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| 07:03.48 | mfreedm1 | so can i just reinstall grub via the usb? |
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| 07:08.33 | mfreedm1 | ? |
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| 07:15.07 | idlecore | Hi there. |
| 07:15.15 | jeddi | mfreedm1: not sure - in this case i'd normally run through the base install again - it takes a few minutes. |
| 07:15.25 | idlecore | Is there any way to check how long until a package migrates to stable? |
| 07:15.27 | jeddi | mfreedm1: and select 'install to mbr on /dev/sda' at the grub question. |
| 07:16.10 | jeddi | idlecore: typically they don't. packages move from unstable to testing. but stable is a snapshot in time. new packages in there are typically minor version updates for security. |
| 07:16.15 | v^ | so, um |
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| 07:16.27 | v^ | can i use OpenCL on nonfree nvidia drivers? |
| 07:16.32 | idlecore | jeddi, thanks. |
| 07:17.05 | idlecore | jeddi, I just go find the debian 9 release roadmap then. ^_^ |
| 07:17.24 | jeddi | idlecore: or hop onto the Testing branch. it's usually a pleasant place to be. |
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| 07:17.35 | jeddi | idlecore: the name is scarier than the reality. |
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| 07:18.11 | idlecore | jeddi, I know, I've used it before, this is for a software release of mine though, I would like to include stable if at all possible. =) |
| 07:18.44 | jeddi | idlecore: you can certainly build for stable. you may get it into backports. |
| 07:19.08 | idlecore | jeddi, That sounds good. |
| 07:19.49 | jeddi | idlecore: no idea on what's involved in getting stuff in there. but, yeah, build for stable, and point people at a .deb or a repo or whatever, that'll get you roughly where you want to be. |
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| 07:20.22 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 07:22.14 | ShapeShifter499 | the "utils-linux" package contains the 'blkid' program but I find it's setup to only be executed by the administrator or root account on my fresh debian system. This is not the case on my Arch Linux box, why is this? Is there a potential security risk I don't see having 'blkid' globally executable? |
| 07:22.19 | idlecore | jeddi, Thanks. |
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| 07:46.09 | rww | ShapeShifter499: it's not "setup to only be executed by the administrator". it's in /sbin and /sbin isn't in non-root users' $PATH by default |
| 07:46.44 | rww | depending on what you have mounted, it may or may not do much without root privs though |
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| 08:16.55 | psopacua | Hi all, i have used "cvt 1920x1200" and the output is ""1920x1200_60.00" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -hsync +vsync" after that i did "xrandr --newmode "1920x1200" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -Hsync +Vsync" and after that i did "xrandr --addmode DFP2 "1920x1200"" but then i am getting "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)" |
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| 08:18.50 | psopacua | and when i type "xrandr" after it looks like the mode has been added to "CRT1" (No CRT is connected) |
| 08:19.32 | babilen | Why are you adding modes at all? |
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| 08:21.32 | psopacua | because my max resolution isn't shown at the display settings? |
| 08:22.00 | psopacua | max resolution possible DVI Dual Link = 1920x1200, the display manager shows "1680x1050" as max... |
| 08:22.20 | psopacua | Having the "DELL U2711B" |
| 08:22.32 | psopacua | monitor* |
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| 08:41.26 | aZz7eCh | Q: Through "Disks" I have an external hdd plugged in. It has no partition. I add a partition, choose NTFS as the type, name it and as soon as I apply, "Disks" vanishes off the screen. I then re-run Disks, every time to find a Linux Partition has been created. Delete it, rinse repeat. Any hints? |
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| 08:43.06 | shidima | Can't you reformat the linux partition to NTFS after its created? |
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| 08:44.33 | aZz7eCh | strange behaviour ... but okay, yes i can. |
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| 09:03.18 | grawity | if it vanishes, means it crashed |
| 09:03.26 | grawity | means you should report it as a bug |
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| 09:03.36 | grawity | however, partition types and filesystem types are different things |
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| 09:05.50 | grawity | if Windows doesn't detect it, you *might* need to change the partition type to 0x07 or 0x0c via "Edit Partition", but otherwise it doesn't really matter that much |
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| 09:07.09 | simonlnu | grawity: are you AKA 'gravity'? |
| 09:07.12 | grawity | no |
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| 09:07.18 | simonlnu | ok |
| 09:07.43 | simonlnu | ty |
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| 09:13.21 | Irulan | Hello. I have openjdk7-jre:i386 installed on a debian 7 amd64 machine, and it cannot upgrade now |
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| 09:14.46 | Irulan | look likes it depends on sysvinit-uils and initscripts (i386) which conficts with their amd64 conterparts http://paste.debian.net/378648/ |
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| 09:20.42 | babilen | Irulan: Could you try a dist-upgrade ? |
| 09:21.10 | Irulan | babilen: it it a dist-upgrade (with aptitude) |
| 09:21.22 | babilen | Ah |
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| 09:22.01 | Irulan | when I'm running dist-upgrade with apt-get, I got "packages kept back: openjdk-7-jre-headless:i386" |
| 09:22.18 | babilen | Looks as if openjdk-7-jre-headless might not be co-installable |
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| 09:22.54 | Irulan | I don't have the amd64 installed |
| 09:23.05 | babilen | (or at all) |
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| 09:26.24 | Irulan | it was, until last update |
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| 09:32.03 | ShapeShifter499 | rww: I see |
| 09:32.48 | ShapeShifter499 | rww: Thanks, I didn't even think about the /sbin not being in the path |
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| 09:38.46 | maxxe | question: if I've filed a request for a new package when can I expect to get a reply/response? |
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| 09:40.06 | shibly | How can i check the version of php installed on debian? |
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| 09:40.48 | nkuttler | shibly: php --version? apt-cache policy <pkg> etc. phpinfo() |
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| 09:44.17 | shibly | nkuttler: Do you use django? |
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| 09:44.43 | nkuttler | shibly: why do you ask? |
| 09:44.59 | shibly | nkuttler: I have seen you in #django |
| 09:45.24 | shibly | nkuttler: Do you use both django and php too? |
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| 09:46.55 | shibly | nkuttler: Do you use more php or django? |
| 09:47.26 | nkuttler | shibly: please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:55.24 | bumbar_ | when i run "apt-get update", i get gpg error: https://dpaste.de/WCtt , how do i fix it? how do i add key, where can i find it? |
| 09:56.04 | nkuttler | bumbar_: do you have an external repo for llvm? |
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| 09:56.57 | ^74NK | I want to remove current useraccount named "fa" and boot my debian jessie SBC to ROOT as default |
| 09:57.08 | ^74NK | i have connected to it via SSH and have root privileges |
| 09:57.25 | bumbar_ | nkuttler, yeah, i've added "deb http://llvm.org/apt/jessie/ llvm-toolchain-jessie-3.7 main" to sources.list |
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| 09:57.41 | nkuttler | bumbar_: check their docs, they probably have their keyring packaged |
| 09:57.52 | ^74NK | userdel: user fa is currently used by process 349 |
| 09:57.54 | nkuttler | s#probably#might# |
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| 09:58.13 | nkuttler | ^74NK: are you sure you can log in as root? |
| 09:58.30 | ^74NK | yes i am in as root |
| 09:58.38 | ^74NK | but the machine is up and running as fa |
| 09:58.40 | nkuttler | ^74NK: that's not what i asked |
| 09:58.46 | nkuttler | ^74NK: can you ssh -l root host ? |
| 09:59.02 | nkuttler | ^74NK: the "machine" doesn't run as <whateveruser> |
| 09:59.07 | ^74NK | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.16 | nkuttler | ^74NK: that doesn't answer my question |
| 09:59.20 | ^74NK | the machine logs in by default as fa |
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| 09:59.32 | nkuttler | ^74NK: if you disable your account and can't log in any more, you can't log in to become root |
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| 09:59.46 | ^74NK | nkuttler can i add privileges? |
| 09:59.51 | nkuttler | ^74NK: just ssh -l root |
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| 10:00.00 | ^74NK | I'm on putty |
| 10:00.19 | nkuttler | ^74NK: so configure it to use the root user |
| 10:00.29 | nkuttler | ^74NK: it's a client-side problem, has nothing to do with the server |
| 10:00.33 | ^74NK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:01.41 | ^74NK | i changed to /etc/ looking for deluser.conf |
| 10:01.58 | nkuttler | ^74NK: it's a client-side problem, has nothing to do with the server |
| 10:02.20 | nkuttler | ^74NK: you're doing it all wrong and are likely to lock yourself out of the server |
| 10:02.32 | ^74NK | nkuttler, all i want to do is create a user with all access flags, and set machine to boot to it |
| 10:02.46 | nkuttler | ^74NK: you have it all completely wrong |
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| 10:05.56 | ^74NK | ok so i added a user named 74NK. |
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| 10:06.07 | psopacua | Hi all, i have used "cvt 1920x1200" and the output is ""1920x1200_60.00" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -hsync +vsync" after that i did "xrandr --newmode "1920x1200" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -Hsync +Vsync" and after that i did "xrandr --addmode DFP2 "1920x1200"" but then i am getting "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)", Videocard: R7 240, Monitor DELL U2711B, Cable: DVI Dual-link |
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| 10:07.38 | ^74NK | now to add privileges i edit sudoers? |
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| 10:34.31 | paul_grozav | hello, can someone help me with some memory problems in debian ? |
| 10:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it often helps me if I write things down... |
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| 10:36.29 | paul_grozav | :D right |
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| 10:37.39 | Cihan | LOL! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaZuRnmUYAEPpks.jpg |
| 10:37.40 | paul_grozav | it seems that free -m declares that only ~300/2000MB are free, while top says that only ~200MB should be used |
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| 10:38.57 | paul_grozav | i think it's a bug somewhere. The kernel does say that "RT throttling activated" but I don't know what process is causing the issue |
| 10:39.13 | towo^work | i don't think, it's a bug |
| 10:39.41 | towo^work | in free you have to add buff/cache to the ammount of free |
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| 10:40.03 | paul_grozav | I suddenly have high memory usage, and then it gets low again (when I start a process that actually uses RAM). I keep having spikes of mem usage, even if i let the system unused |
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| 10:40.13 | paul_grozav | towo^work: yes, I do that |
| 10:41.09 | paul_grozav | towo^work: I am looking on the buffers/cache row under the free column |
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| 10:44.51 | cek | There's no systemctl edit command on my debian. How do I make local mods to unit files? |
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| 11:04.51 | JyZyXEL | the autofs package of debian jessie doesn't work with nfs4 |
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| 11:09.58 | gfdhjf | burn all jews in oven |
| 11:10.00 | gfdhjf | death to infidels |
| 11:10.01 | gfdhjf | god bless allah |
| 11:10.04 | gfdhjf | allahu akhbar |
| 11:10.06 | gfdhjf | i throw stones to jews |
| 11:10.19 | ewew | !ops |
| 11:10.20 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 11:10.36 | gfdhjf | small children deserve to be raped |
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| 11:10.47 | gfdhjf | burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn |
| 11:10.48 | gfdhjf | all jews in oven ### |
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| 11:10.55 | gfdhjf | dfgfgk burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### burn all jews in oven ### |
| 11:11.10 | gfdhjf | burn all jews in oven |
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| 11:12.09 | DoctorD90 | thx babilen ;) |
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| 11:16.27 | Ghostbird | Hey guys, does anyone know a good way to generate man pages for all installed packages? My system came without man installed, but I want it. |
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| 11:19.26 | babilen | Ghostbird: Just install man-db |
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| 11:23.47 | debitux | Hey ho. Just updated to jessie, now my nvidia gtx750ti is not working anymore. just tried to reinstall nvidia-driver, redo nvidia-xconfig and dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms but it still says "Failed to initialize NVIDIA Kernel module. No Devices detected." |
| 11:24.14 | Ghostbird | babilen: That doesn't generate man pages for packages that have already been installed. |
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| 11:24.31 | grawity | Ghostbird: manpages aren't generated, they're installed like any other regular file |
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| 11:25.00 | Ghostbird | Ok, so I'm doing something else wrong. |
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| 11:25.13 | Ghostbird | I think I've got it. Thanks! |
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| 11:25.15 | grawity | take a look at /usr/share/man |
| 11:25.25 | grawity | if the actual files are missing, maybe they were manually removed |
| 11:25.40 | grawity | run `sudo mandb` just in case |
| 11:26.27 | Ghostbird | Yeah, the files are missing. I'll just use a different source of man files. |
| 11:26.54 | Ghostbird | This is just a little tucked away home server, so no-one else is going to need its man pages. |
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| 11:28.47 | grawity | is that a stock Debian or a custom distro? |
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| 11:30.05 | Ghostbird | Yeah, custom. I shoul've asked in their channel. But I guess it's they left out the man pages to keep it small. I'll just use the man pages on my PC. |
| 11:30.16 | Ghostbird | It'll be pretty much the same. |
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| 11:32.49 | debitux | ok i got the real problem, my nvidia kernel module version differs from the nvidia client.. |
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| 11:33.58 | towo^work | then change that |
| 11:34.18 | bashrc_ | not sure if this is the right channel. I've made two debian packages for GNU Social. How do I get them into the main package repositories? |
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| 11:34.38 | debitux | towo^work: how can i install a spezial version? |
| 11:34.55 | towo^work | debitux, to less info |
| 11:35.16 | towo^work | debitux, a start could be dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
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| 11:41.39 | debitux | towo^work: https://paste.xinu.at/m-k3Mv/ |
| 11:42.32 | towo^work | debitux, there is no version mismatch between kernel and glx, maybe you have to rebuild your initrd |
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| 11:44.02 | debitux | towo^work: how do i do this? |
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| 11:44.17 | towo^work | update-initramfs -u -k all |
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| 11:49.06 | kuly-zu | when i type sudo i keep getting this msg |
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| 11:49.28 | kuly-zu | var/lib/sudo/ts is group writable |
| 11:49.28 | debitux | towo^work: did it, also did a reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms and rebuild xorg.conf. it still says that those versions differ |
| 11:49.35 | towo^work | debitux, and it complains about the x module, not the kernel, then a rebbot should be enought |
| 11:49.35 | kuly-zu | how can i solve this? |
| 11:50.09 | towo^work | debitux, there is no package with version 340.65 installed |
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| 11:50.33 | towo^work | debitux, have you played with the run-installer from nvidia at any time? |
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| 11:51.33 | debitux | so then the question is, why doesnt it work and why does it complain about that? ^^ |
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| 11:51.40 | kuly-zu | how can i solve is group writable problem? |
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| 11:52.41 | towo^work | debitux, from where you have installed 340.96-1? |
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| 11:52.47 | towo^work | debitux, backports? |
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| 11:54.21 | debitux | towo^work: i just did an apt-get install nvidia-driver . apt source is uni-koeln.de/debian jessie main non-free contrib |
| 11:55.44 | towo^work | debitux, have you rebooted after rebuiklding initrd? |
| 11:55.52 | towo^work | -k |
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| 11:56.12 | debitux | towo^work: yes |
| 11:56.39 | towo^work | debitux, rmmod nvidia-current && modprobe nvidia-current |
| 11:57.09 | debitux | towo^work: just saw your question above, yes i played with the run installer under wheezy, but then switched to the nvidia-driver and that worked |
| 11:57.57 | debitux | towo^work: ERROR: Module nvidia_current is not currently loaded |
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| 11:58.17 | towo^work | debitux, dkms status |
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| 11:59.35 | debitux | towo^work: https://paste.xinu.at/KINKBO/ |
| 12:00.06 | towo^work | rmmmod nvidia |
| 12:00.31 | cheetahw26 | what's the easiest way to make sure packages installed on one system are installed on another? |
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| 12:00.45 | debitux | towo^work: yes, no output, no error |
| 12:00.50 | bezaban | cheetahw26: central configuration management |
| 12:00.52 | cheetahw26 | just grep out from dpkg then run apt-get install ? |
| 12:01.00 | towo^work | debitux, dkms remove -m nvidia -v 340.65 |
| 12:01.22 | cheetahw26 | that sounds official and way easier, and I'm not sure how to use it :) |
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| 12:02.40 | debitux | towo^work: invalid number of parameters |
| 12:02.48 | debitux | Usage: remove <module>/<module-version> --all |
| 12:02.56 | cheetahw26 | oh... you're referring to a third-party application? |
| 12:02.59 | towo^work | debitux, dkms remove -m nvidia -v 340.65 --all |
| 12:03.13 | bezaban | ah. easiest, not best :) Well, likely something like dpkg --get-selections > packagelist and then dpkg --set-selections < packagelist && apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 12:03.14 | debitux | did it |
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| 12:03.29 | towo^work | debitux, modprobe nvidia-current |
| 12:03.32 | bezaban | cheetahw26: ^ |
| 12:03.54 | debitux | towo^work: ok |
| 12:04.08 | bezaban | not quality controlled or confirmed for jessie, but you're not copy pasting from irc anyway are you? ;) |
| 12:04.12 | towo^work | debitux, update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 12:04.24 | towo^work | debitux, then reboot |
| 12:04.45 | DoctorD90 | guys, in gnome3, when i type, it start to search files....How may i get just "indexing" them? i mean, not search, just go at first item that starts with A if i type A ? |
| 12:04.55 | debitux | towo^work: so atm dkms status only lists nvidia-current, not the single "nvidia" |
| 12:04.58 | debitux | ok? |
| 12:05.07 | towo^work | debitux, yes |
| 12:05.10 | debitux | ok |
| 12:05.13 | bezaban | cheetahw26: there is some documentation for replicating package selections between debian machines online |
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| 12:07.14 | debitux | towo^work: still same error |
| 12:08.21 | towo^work | debitux, in kern.log? |
| 12:08.26 | debitux | yes |
| 12:08.43 | towo^work | lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 12:09.37 | debitux | https://paste.xinu.at/jJx1pa/ towo^work |
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| 12:09.54 | towo^work | modinfo nvidia |
| 12:10.22 | debitux | modinfo: ERROR: Module nvidia not found. |
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| 12:11.16 | towo^work | debitux, find /lib/modules -name nvidia.ko |
| 12:11.29 | debitux | nothung found |
| 12:11.32 | debitux | *i |
| 12:12.00 | debitux | only without *ko |
| 12:12.12 | towo^work | then i have no clue where you have a nvidie module with version 340.65 |
| 12:12.29 | towo^work | *nvidia |
| 12:12.57 | towo^work | debitux, dmesg | grep -i nvidias |
| 12:12.58 | towo^work | grr |
| 12:13.00 | towo^work | debitux, dmesg | grep -i nvidia |
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| 12:13.48 | debitux | towo^work: https://paste.xinu.at/JwvfNu/ |
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| 12:14.27 | towo^work | debitux, the kernel-module now is the right module |
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| 12:15.10 | towo^work | debitux, but x is using nvidia dll loader in version 340.65 which does not exist in your system, because all x-packages are 340.96 |
| 12:15.41 | debitux | oh |
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| 12:16.53 | towo^work | you could try apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }') && apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core && apt-get install nvidia-driver |
| 12:17.19 | towo^work | but i have no clue, where the version 340.65 come from |
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| 12:18.21 | debitux | lets try this |
| 12:18.49 | debitux | ah no, fuck |
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| 12:19.12 | debitux | error with glx-diversions |
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| 12:21.21 | debitux | towo^work: rename includes overwriting other package /usr/lib/libEGL.so.1 with /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/libEGL.so.1 but not allowed. Error whiule processing glx-diversions |
| 12:21.44 | psopacua | Hi all, i have used "cvt 1920x1200" and the output is ""1920x1200_60.00" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -hsync +vsync" after that i did "xrandr --newmode "1920x1200" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -Hsync +Vsync" and after that i did "xrandr --addmode DFP2 "1920x1200"" but then i am getting "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)", Videocard: R7 240, Monitor DELL U2711B, Cable: DVI Dual-link |
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| 12:22.24 | debitux | towo^work: if you want to see it... but its german https://paste.xinu.at/UxrFJH/ |
| 12:22.25 | debian-addict | HI men's, anyone can help me about iptables configuration ? |
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| 12:23.42 | debitux | towo^work: at the moment im really thinking of just reinstalling debian |
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| 12:24.51 | nkuttler | debitux: if packages overwrite each other that's a bug and shouldn't happen in stable |
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| 12:26.10 | KhazAkar | Hi all |
| 12:26.16 | debian-addict | I have a vps and when I check auth.log file I see that botnet are trying to bruteforce the ssh acces of my server, so I would like to only accept ssh connection to 2 ip @ and drop all the rest, anyone have a solution to solve my problem ? |
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| 12:27.44 | KhazAkar | Somebody installed Debian stable using pxe and rs232 without gfx card on client motherhoard |
| 12:27.47 | KhazAkar | ? |
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| 12:28.40 | nkuttler | debian-addict: man 5 sshd_config |
| 12:28.57 | nkuttler | debian-addict: or man 5 hosts_access |
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| 12:29.12 | babilen | debian-addict: I typically deploy my ssh key and disable password logins altogether |
| 12:29.15 | markybob | debian-addict, this is so incredibly common...which is why most admins use keys |
| 12:30.11 | babilen | It's just the "background noise" of the internet and that way nobody can force their way in. |
| 12:30.39 | nkuttler | debian-addict: yeah, i also use keys |
| 12:30.54 | debian-addict | Ok thank you men's |
| 12:31.05 | nkuttler | debian-addict: there's also fail2ban |
| 12:31.09 | babilen | You want to disable PasswordAuthentication and UsePAM |
| 12:31.42 | debian-addict | I ask this (stupid?) question cuz I was on the way to make a firewall.sh in /etc/init.d/ with iptables |
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| 12:33.18 | markybob | debian-addict, it's easy enough to do it with iptables if you really want. i wouldn't though. something like this: https://paste.debian.net/378669/ |
| 12:33.39 | debitux | so towo^work many thanks for your help, i'm now reinstalling the complete system. |
| 12:33.59 | debitux | who knows what i fucked up in the system years ago ^^ |
| 12:34.19 | debian-addict | Thank you markybob ! I was looking for something like that. |
| 12:35.22 | KhazAkar | Btw,somebody's there tried to install Debian stable using pxe and Control it using rs232 from other PC? |
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| 12:36.14 | chele | markybob is his ip is dynamic he's out, isn't he. |
| 12:36.21 | markybob | yep |
| 12:36.35 | chele | debian-addict in addition to the keys i'd also change the port. |
| 12:37.22 | debian-addict | Nkuttler, I have already installed fail2ban but I think it doesn't work, I wrote in jail.conf that MaxRetry's limited at 1, but botnet still tryin to force the ssh like 5 or 6 times |
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| 12:41.02 | markybob | debian-addict, if you PM me your ip i'd be happy to try to see if fail2ban is working and how many times it lets me retry |
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| 12:53.37 | nkuttler | debian-addict: fail2ban doesn't work instantly |
| 12:54.44 | debian-addict | what do you mean |
| 12:55.06 | debian-addict | ? |
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| 12:57.47 | nkuttler | debian-addict: it needs to parse logs etc |
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| 12:58.11 | plasmob | Hello I have a wird problem, I have a debian based system and my motherbaord intgerated ethernmet fried. I got a new card and could it get working this far as it responds ping on google dns 8.8.8.8 (icmp) but no skype (udp) or webbrowser (tcp) ... funny thing internet works nicely when i connect to my smarthphone any ideas. seems my marvel onboard and tplink share same r8169 driver |
| 12:58.36 | chele | !debian |
| 12:58.36 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 13:00.36 | chele | !bod |
| 13:00.36 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:00.44 | kulyzu | is there a way to reset the permission of a folder to there default |
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| 13:03.12 | KhazAkar | How is called nvidia-legacy-340xx on |
| 13:03.26 | KhazAkar | On xorg.conf? |
| 13:03.32 | towo^work | nvidia |
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| 13:03.58 | KhazAkar | Screen not found :c |
| 13:04.14 | towo^work | then you do it wrong |
| 13:04.26 | towo^work | dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 13:04.27 | dpkg | ii | grep nvidia 1.5-1.2 towo^work's private gamp collection |
| 13:04.50 | towo^work | provide the whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:05.06 | KhazAkar | I'm writting from Phone there |
| 13:05.45 | towo^work | KhazAkar, and how should anyone help you? |
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| 13:06.30 | KhazAkar | There're no nvidia module. I need for legacy 340xx |
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| 13:07.03 | towo^work | KhazAkar, and btw, since nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver does not exist in stable, this channel is propably wrong |
| 13:07.11 | towo^work | KhazAkar, then install it |
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| 13:07.53 | KhazAkar | Installed,update-alternatives chexked good module,but not work |
| 13:08.15 | towo^work | "no work" is saying nothing |
| 13:08.29 | towo^work | only facts |
| 13:08.41 | KhazAkar | I know,so mayby I can tell about my problem with stable? |
| 13:09.07 | towo^work | you propably don't use stable |
| 13:09.22 | towo^work | because there would be such legacy package |
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| 13:09.29 | towo^work | *would not |
| 13:09.35 | KhazAkar | But my another problem are about stable |
| 13:09.46 | towo^work | KhazAkar, and again, check your installed nvidia packages |
| 13:09.46 | KhazAkar | Semi related,but still |
| 13:10.00 | towo^work | KhazAkar, provide logfiles |
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| 13:10.32 | KhazAkar | But that problem about stable are diffrent |
| 13:11.04 | KhazAkar | I want to install it via pxe and Control bios and installer via rs232 |
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| 13:13.05 | KhazAkar | Possible or not? |
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| 13:14.54 | towo^work | KhazAkar, i don't think your bios provide control over serial console |
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| 13:15.14 | KhazAkar | Even on Old machine? |
| 13:15.38 | KhazAkar | Asus a8ne-fm/s |
| 13:16.12 | bezaban | no. not possible. |
| 13:16.15 | towo^work | why should it? |
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| 13:17.08 | towo^work | and why should it depend on the age of the hardware? |
| 13:17.44 | KhazAkar | Because newer hardware dont have native rs232 |
| 13:17.54 | bezaban | you can with drac and ipmi etc, but that is server hardware. |
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| 13:18.41 | bezaban | rs232 is used for management of some devices, but that was not what rs232 was used for on consumer hardware (although you could set up a serial console that worked the same way any regular tty would) |
| 13:18.54 | bezaban | but no bios/installer access |
| 13:19.31 | KhazAkar | So idk how to install Debian w/o gfx card with tgat mobo |
| 13:19.38 | KhazAkar | That* |
| 13:19.40 | jim | rs232 is really an electrical specification |
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| 13:22.14 | bezaban | you can install the drive on another machine, then connect it and hope it boots without a gpu and that your network hardware is supported out of the box |
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| 13:22.51 | bezaban | but you will not get enterprise features out of consumer hardware using willpower :P |
| 13:23.25 | KhazAkar | I know,but I need it to make from it router :p |
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| 13:31.32 | paul_grozav | Hello, my free -m states that 90% of RAM is used, while top states that 90% of RAM is free. Who eats the RAM if not processes? |
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| 13:33.30 | bezaban | paul_grozav: what number are you looking at in free -m? |
| 13:33.53 | bezaban | you need to look at the -/+ buffers/cache number |
| 13:34.22 | paul_grozav | bezaban: I'm looking there |
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| 13:34.48 | paul_grozav | 170MB free, and 473MB considering buffers/cache |
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| 13:35.08 | paul_grozav | Can i ask kernel to log all malloc calls? |
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| 13:35.24 | jelly | malloc is not a syscall, paul_grozav |
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| 13:36.17 | jelly | paul_grozav: so you have 473MB free. How much total RAM is there? |
| 13:36.40 | paul_grozav | 2G (2010MB declared by free -m) |
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| 13:37.44 | paul_grozav | jelly: 2G (2010MB declared by free -m) |
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| 13:39.24 | jelly | paul_grozav: care to pastebin the output of "top" and "free"? |
| 13:39.32 | paul_grozav | jelly: sure, thanks |
| 13:40.02 | jelly | paul_grozav: also, which debian release is this and which kernel |
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| 13:44.25 | paul_grozav | jelly: http://pastebin.com/mB2J3C9U |
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| 13:46.20 | jelly | paul_grozav: top also shows most of RAM is used; can you pinpoint where you see a discrepancy? |
| 13:47.16 | paul_grozav | jelly: I don't see the processes that use the memory, I'd like to kill them |
| 13:48.14 | paul_grozav | jelly: I was looking at the %MEM column in top |
| 13:48.32 | paul_grozav | jelly: Because I was interested in which process is using the memory |
| 13:48.49 | jelly | paul_grozav: pressing capital 'M' in top will sort the processes by RES |
| 13:48.50 | paul_grozav | jelly: I've also looked at VIRT, RES |
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| 13:49.48 | paul_grozav | jelly: mysql in number 1 when ordered by RES, with 29040 |
| 13:50.26 | paul_grozav | jelly: I still don't see how/where is the memory used |
| 13:50.41 | jelly | nod |
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| 13:52.15 | paul_grozav | jelly: I think I should say that in dmesg kernel said: RT throttling activated |
| 13:52.35 | jelly | that doesn't seem relevant |
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| 13:53.26 | paul_grozav | jelly : Do you have any ideea, who could use the memory if not processes? could there be another consumer? |
| 13:53.48 | jelly | paul_grozav: sure, filesystems, network... |
| 13:53.52 | jelly | kernel in short. |
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| 13:54.23 | paul_grozav | jelly: That's why I was thinking about asking kernel to log all memory allocations |
| 13:54.53 | jelly | paul_grozav: what does "df" say? |
| 13:55.21 | jelly | maybe there's a tmpfs or ramfs using some, but that should be visible as buffers/cache |
| 13:55.49 | paul_grozav | jelly : http://pastebin.com/ZpLtiMnh |
| 13:56.06 | paul_grozav | jelly : we're good with disk space as far as i can see |
| 13:56.48 | jelly | nothing unusual there |
| 13:56.53 | jelly | no idea, it's weird |
| 13:57.00 | paul_grozav | :) |
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| 13:57.11 | paul_grozav | advices? |
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| 14:00.53 | jelly | paul_grozav: run some of those rootkit detectors? :-) |
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| 14:03.06 | jelly | console-kit-daemon has rather large VIRT but I don't know whether that's unusual or not |
| 14:03.38 | jelly | paul_grozav: and the lines for alex+ user seem doctored but I guess you did a search/replace there |
| 14:03.57 | paul_grozav | jelly, yes, I replaced a username |
| 14:03.57 | wzr7362 | its funny, both free and top should read memory status from the same source (/proc/meminfo) |
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| 14:04.33 | paul_grozav | wzr7362: I did look in there too, but couldn't see anything wrong |
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| 14:07.02 | id10t | mornin' all |
| 14:07.16 | paul_grozav | here is the /proc/meminfo, at the end: http://pastebin.com/APUALmCg |
| 14:07.17 | jelly | paul_grozav: what kind of hardware is it? care to pastebin dmesg or /var/log/kern.log since last reboot? |
| 14:07.27 | paul_grozav | jelly: sure |
| 14:07.52 | id10t | if i just did a netinstall,and the mirror i entered manually failed to verfiy one sub-part (jessie-updates) would there be a log anywhere on the new system that tells me what actually failed verfiication? |
| 14:08.02 | id10t | or do i need to look for it during the netinstall process? |
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| 14:10.09 | paul_grozav | jelly: http://pastebin.com/UDQvjWx6 at the end is dmesg |
| 14:10.57 | paul_grozav | jelly: It's running inside esxi |
| 14:11.20 | paul_grozav | jelly: running for two years now ... |
| 14:11.49 | sir_galahad_ad | o/ |
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| 14:17.14 | paul_grozav | I've also created a question on unix.stackexchange.com: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/260150/ram-not-used-by-process-then-who-uses-it , if you have any ideas while I'm away. Thanks |
| 14:17.17 | jelly | paul_grozav: ah. could be vmware's baloon driver. |
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| 14:17.32 | paul_grozav | jelly : ??? |
| 14:17.46 | paul_grozav | jelly : hypervisor stealing my RAM ? :( |
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| 14:18.04 | paul_grozav | jelly: ok, i'll coonnect to the hypervisor to investigate -.- |
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| 14:18.36 | Tinned_Tuna | Afternoon, is there any reason why a routing table would change following a kernel upgrade & reboot? |
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| 14:18.45 | Tinned_Tuna | Could the reboot alone have done it? |
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| 14:20.52 | paul_grozav | jelly: so if it's vmware's baloon driver debian would know that "that piece of memory is used" ? That's weird |
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| 14:22.22 | jelly | paul_grozav: yes. It's a way for the host to "take" memory from guest when host is under pressure and does not have enough physical resources |
| 14:22.39 | jelly | paul_grozav: http://www.vmwarearena.com/vmware-memory-management-part-3-memory-ballooning/ |
| 14:23.20 | paul_grozav | jelly: I know about ballooning, but i didn't think that the hypervisor lets the guest know that it's taking the RAM |
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| 14:24.14 | jelly | paul_grozav: it used not to do back in ESX 4 or so I think |
| 14:25.03 | jelly | I guess esxtop can confirm that theory |
| 14:27.26 | jelly | I usually just clicky on the interface and haven't had to log onto esx hosts and use esxtop, ask in a vmware channel unless someone else here has more clue |
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| 14:29.35 | id10t | Tinned_Tuna, how were the routes added? dhcp? manually with route command? |
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| 14:31.00 | Tinned_Tuna | id10t: It definitely wasn't manually. There's 6 interfaces -- one physical eth0, then eth0:0, eth0:1, ... in /etc/network/interfaces eth0 is dhcp, the rest are static with address and netmask |
| 14:31.37 | id10t | Tinned_Tuna, and all interfaces are there in ifconfig and have ip addresses on whatever subnets? |
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| 14:33.27 | Tinned_Tuna | id10t: ifconfig lists all of the interfaces, complete with ip addrs in the correct subnets |
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| 14:33.52 | id10t | and yet the routes aren't there? weird... |
| 14:34.25 | Tinned_Tuna | id10t: well, they are there, it's just that all the packets going out have a source address associated with eth0:0, not eth0 |
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| 14:35.10 | Tinned_Tuna | We noticed because some customers (rightly) drop all non-permitted traffic, which caused some issues with our systems integrations. |
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| 14:36.24 | Tinned_Tuna | i.e. source ip on all outbound packets should be (and prior to the reboot was) A (associated with eth0), after the reboot it was B (associated with eth0:0) |
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| 14:40.30 | Tinned_Tuna | Hm, 2nd answer to this Q (https://serverfault.com/questions/182550/specifing-ip-address-for-outbound-connections-on-a-multi-ip-host) states that it's "allow-hotplug eth0" vs. "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces. Is this a likely candidate? |
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| 14:44.01 | shibly | Hi, is Debian for kids? |
| 14:44.26 | Tinned_Tuna | shibly: in what sense? Debian is used by many people. |
| 14:44.42 | shibly | Is it for beginners? |
| 14:44.48 | shibly | starter |
| 14:44.56 | shibly | newbie |
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| 14:45.29 | Tinned_Tuna | shibly: I find it to be simpler than many other systems, but it depends what you mean by starter or newbie. |
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| 14:46.49 | shibly | Tinned_Tuna: What other system did you compare with? |
| 14:46.54 | id10t | shibly, for my students we use Mint on desktops and debian on servers |
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| 14:48.17 | Tinned_Tuna | shibly: I've experience with Slackware, Gentoo, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD. I'd say that Ubuntu and Mint are simpler than Debian for the desktop/workstation use-case. |
| 14:48.26 | Tinned_Tuna | shibly: what use case are you looking at? |
| 14:49.17 | markybob | shibly, if you're going to set it up for them and just let them surf the net, whatever, then sure, it's fine. i assume an 8 year old would have a hard time actually setting it up |
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| 14:50.01 | Tinned_Tuna | shibly: (oh, and I've used both Debian and Solaris at work) |
| 14:50.21 | shibly | What do you do with Debian? |
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| 14:51.07 | markybob | shibly, i run many servers and my personal laptop. basically does anything you want from an OS. up to you how you use it |
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| 14:51.21 | Tinned_Tuna | shibly: we run a service. |
| 14:51.55 | id10t | shibly, the big advantage Ubuntu and Mint have over debian for a desktop is a lack of rabid freedom demands, so they can include the codecs, flash, etc |
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| 14:52.19 | id10t | shibly, but for server use that doesn't really matter, and you want stability instead, so debian works great there |
| 14:52.38 | markybob | id10t, that's not true. you just have to enable contrib/non-free. debian has codecs/flash |
| 14:52.54 | paul_grozav | jelly: It ballooning might be the case, thank you for your suggestion and time |
| 14:52.58 | shibly | What type of server? What do you do with that server? What does that server do? |
| 14:53.01 | shibly | markybob: ^ |
| 14:53.05 | id10t | markybob, true. but making changes to get it to work as opposed to Just Works out of the box .... |
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| 14:53.17 | Tinned_Tuna | markybob: the discussion isn't about if it's possible, but what is arguably "simpler" |
| 14:53.40 | markybob | shibly, mostly apache, mysql, bind |
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| 14:55.24 | blubee | hi guys, I am having trouble with vlc, ffmpeg on debian jessie 8.2 |
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| 14:55.51 | blubee | I sorta forced installed ffmpeg from jessie-backports but then if I tried to open vlc I'd get a segmentation fault |
| 14:56.12 | blubee | so I removed vlc ffmpeg and libav tools, now I want to re-install all three |
| 14:56.24 | blubee | running the command, apt gives me this output: http://pastebin.com/a7buCkeP |
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| 14:56.31 | blubee | what's going on and how can I solve this? |
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| 14:57.41 | jelly | paul_grozav: I wonder if you can see it somewhere in the guest, like cat /sys/module/vmw_balloon/coresize or whatnot |
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| 15:14.10 | donofrio__atwork | why would agp be broken for everything other than x86 ;( |
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| 15:17.28 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 15:18.09 | johnfg | What does it mean, this message from apt-get upgrade, The following packages have been kept back:...? |
| 15:18.29 | johnfg | Should the pkgs be removed? |
| 15:18.47 | johnfg | I can show the pkgs, if that makes a difference. |
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| 15:19.27 | paul_grozav | jelly: /sys/module/vmw_balloon/coresize=12658 |
| 15:19.40 | markybob | johnfg, it means it has dependencies that can't be resolved without installing extra packages or removing packages. that's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade basically |
| 15:19.48 | markybob | johnfg, pastebin your sources.list |
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| 15:19.56 | teraflops | johnfg: what does cat /etc/debian_version say there? |
| 15:20.28 | markybob | johnfg, this kind of thing generally just happens when you mix releases. which is not smart or supported, btw |
| 15:21.24 | paul_grozav | jelly : here are all the values in vmw_balloon: http://pastebin.com/9TdA9diR at the end |
| 15:21.25 | teraflops | johnfg: if it says 8.2 just do apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 15:21.50 | markybob | teraflops, i'd rather see his sources.list first |
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| 15:22.42 | blubee | anyone can help with the issue i posted earlier? |
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| 15:25.19 | markybob | blubee, pastebin your sources.list too |
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| 15:27.11 | blubee | markybob: here's both: http://pastebin.com/bp04FV8Q |
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| 15:28.10 | markybob | blubee, you mixing things. you have stable and wheezy. that's how this happens :P did you ever do a full upgrade to stable or just mixed stuff? |
| 15:28.58 | blubee | markybob: omg..... how did that happen!? |
| 15:29.13 | markybob | blubee, your system. i don't know. i assume you did it |
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| 15:29.33 | blubee | that's insane. Thanks for pointing that out to me, i've looked at that a few times too |
| 15:29.36 | teraflops | Because stable isn't inmutable :p |
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| 15:30.43 | markybob | blubee, now you have a choice to make. remove stable or try to do a full upgrade to stable |
| 15:30.59 | blubee | i'd prefer to do a full upgrade to stable |
| 15:31.08 | markybob | blubee, if you want to do a full upgrade you can make your sources look like this and only this https://paste.debian.net/plain/378523 |
| 15:31.22 | markybob | !tell blubee about wheezy->jessie |
| 15:31.41 | markybob | blubee, it'll likely break apache if you're running it, btw. |
| 15:31.45 | blubee | the thing is I installed jessie 8.2 from a live cd yesterday |
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| 15:32.12 | blubee | I don't use apache or any service like that, ssh but i mostly use vim to write code opengl shaders |
| 15:32.23 | markybob | blubee, well then make it look like mine, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and you might be okay |
| 15:32.34 | johnfg | markybob: teraflops: I'll do those things and get back to ya. |
| 15:32.45 | blubee | thanks i'll try that |
| 15:32.58 | teraflops | johnfg: Roger that :p |
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| 15:33.21 | johnfg | The version is 8.3. |
| 15:34.08 | teraflops | johnfg: then paste your sources.list but please do not use pastebin.com |
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| 15:34.15 | idlecore | Hello. |
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| 15:34.30 | johnfg | Here's my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/378701/ |
| 15:34.42 | darxmurf | have a good week-end all |
| 15:34.48 | johnfg | teraflops: What's the problem with pastebin.com? |
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| 15:35.03 | darxmurf | johnfg: ads |
| 15:35.10 | markybob | johnfg, blocks us from seeing it often with captcha's and spam |
| 15:35.13 | johnfg | darxmurf: Gotcha. |
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| 15:35.34 | teraflops | johnfg: hmm I bet your issue is related to the multimedia repo |
| 15:35.45 | idlecore | If a program is being uninstalled, how does it remove user specific files? The uninstaller needs to run as root, so how does it know which users have local files? |
| 15:36.02 | johnfg | teraflops: Do you think then that the dist-upgrade would be best? |
| 15:36.27 | id10t | idlecore, it doesn't. apt-get purge will remove configuration files from /etc/package and so on |
| 15:36.30 | markybob | idlecore, it doesn't touch it. those are generally stored in ~/.config/ and the uninstall process leaves it alone |
| 15:36.34 | id10t | but ~/.package never |
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| 15:36.41 | blubee | teraflops: why do you say to avoid pastebin dot com also what would you recommend in it's place and wny? |
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| 15:36.55 | markybob | blubee, paste.debian.net |
| 15:37.00 | teraflops | johnfg: I think that multimedia repo is rubbish (it's my opinion) |
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| 15:37.15 | idlecore | markybob, id10t : Then how do we deal with the autostart files in ~/.config? |
| 15:37.19 | johnfg | blubee: install pastebinit, and it will paste to paste.debian.net |
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| 15:37.29 | blubee | okay thanks |
| 15:37.31 | markybob | idlecore, there are none in ~/.config... |
| 15:37.36 | blubee | i'll look into that as well |
| 15:37.43 | markybob | idlecore, now you've got me confused |
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| 15:37.49 | donofrio__atwork | so everyone here is just the x86 world ok....just wondering, because the ecosystem is moar than x86 ;) |
| 15:37.55 | johnfg | teraflops: Understood, but the dist-upgrade got the job done. Thanks guys. |
| 15:37.55 | idlecore | markybob, Right, I meant, ~/.config/autostart |
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| 15:38.01 | nikitasius | helloworld! |
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| 15:38.20 | nikitasius | helloworld! ohh i was moved |
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| 15:38.33 | teraflops | johnfg: anyway what's in deb multi-media repo that you have to use it? I'm just curious |
| 15:38.33 | id10t | idlecore, that depends on what desktop environment you are using (or just plain window manager if you are using just that) |
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| 15:39.17 | nikitasius | little question: mint uses debian repo or ubuntu repo or have own repo? |
| 15:39.21 | id10t | idlecore, for example, i use mate as my DE and mate-session-properties lets me edit/configure autostart stuff |
| 15:39.47 | id10t | nikitasius, mint uses either its own and a ubuntu, or its own and a debian, depending on what version of mint |
| 15:39.53 | markybob | nikitasius, kind of all of the above. |
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| 15:40.32 | idlecore | id10t, I see, well that's always a possibility of course, the user can change the autostart settings. My worry though it that a user will remove my app, this app was last set to autorun, and next time he/she logs in there is an error somewhere because the app wasn't found. |
| 15:40.33 | nikitasius | id10t, markybob thanks! |
| 15:40.38 | johnfg | teraflops: Maybe acroread. I actually don't remember. Although I use atril too, some things acroread does better, imho. |
| 15:40.51 | idlecore | id10t, So yes the user can do it, but it's a hassle, I'd like my app to clean after itself. |
| 15:41.02 | teraflops | johnfg: ah. Ok |
| 15:41.08 | Engys | hi, is it possible to rollback some updates under debian? |
| 15:41.23 | markybob | !downgrade |
| 15:41.23 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 15:42.00 | jelly | paul_grozav: oh well, it was a guess anyway |
| 15:42.24 | teraflops | Engys: depends on the packages. Try to install them from the cache. Who knows... |
| 15:42.45 | jelly | paul_grozav: vmware-toolbox-cmd stat balloon |
| 15:43.09 | jelly | paul_grozav: says "0 MB" here :-) |
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| 15:43.36 | jelly | Engys: it's not exactly supported but often works |
| 15:43.49 | id10t | idlecore, the big problem is that autostart stuff is kept in various places depending on what DE or WM someone is using... |
| 15:44.11 | jelly | Engys: do you have a specific package and bad version in mind? |
| 15:44.28 | Engys | teraflops, Xvfb made some strange things after an update I must have done after 2016.25.01 |
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| 15:44.58 | id10t | idlecore, the good news is that a "good" DE if it can't find an autostart program should prompt to remove it from that user's list-o-autostart |
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| 15:45.46 | idlecore | id10t, I'll try testing that. ^_^ |
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| 15:46.17 | Engys | teraflops, jelly, I have written a program in qt that use webkit to automate some web stuff .. and its broken since this date |
| 15:46.23 | jelly | Engys: apt and dpkg have logs under /var/log/, so you can take a look when the relevant package got upgraded and what from |
| 15:47.07 | jelly | Engys: did you try to run it under vnc4server or something and see how it fails? |
| 15:47.13 | jelly | (if it fails there) |
| 15:47.55 | jelly | ,v xvfb |
| 15:47.56 | judd | Package: xvfb on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2:1.7.7-18; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-18; squeeze-security-lts: 2:1.7.7-18+deb6u3; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1; stretch: 2:1.18.0-3; sid: 2:1.18.0-3 |
| 15:48.32 | Engys | jelly, maybe its some gl stuff that is not working under Xvfb as before |
| 15:48.38 | jelly | Engys: doesn't look like that particular package got upgraded since jessie was released |
| 15:48.43 | jelly | at all |
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| 15:49.17 | jelly | so you'll have to figure out what _did_ get upgraded first |
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| 15:49.53 | blubee | markybob: I just finished the update, i will restart and see does that fix my issues |
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| 15:50.00 | blubee | i'll be back after a rebook |
| 15:50.02 | markybob | blubee, cool |
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| 15:50.57 | Engys | judd, thanks I will try to find the package .. I have an old jessie in a vm that work like it should (without updates) |
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| 15:51.23 | markybob | Engys, is the broken one testing? |
| 15:51.40 | Engys | markybob, no I use stable |
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| 15:51.58 | edgo_ | hi I'm having problems with kvpnc |
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| 15:52.15 | edgo_ | i'm making connection to a pptp vpn server |
| 15:52.37 | edgo_ | which works succesfully (i can connect to samba share on the remote network) |
| 15:52.48 | edgo_ | but when the vpn connection is established |
| 15:52.55 | edgo_ | my default route is overwritten |
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| 15:53.26 | edgo_ | which denied me to connect to regular websites |
| 15:53.37 | edgo_ | or to send an e-mail |
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| 15:53.59 | edgo_ | it's clear when the vpn connection closes, that normal browsing functionality is restored again |
| 15:54.16 | edgo_ | i've been tinkering with additional routes, but without success so far |
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| 15:59.43 | edgo_ | looks like it's a dns issue |
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| 16:00.07 | donofrio__atwork | anyone here on powerpc or s390 why does it seem x86 gets all the love, I guess agp is broken for everything other than x86 arch |
| 16:01.14 | id10t | edgo_, how is it getting the vpn ip? dhcp? then it is over writing your nameservers adn/or your default route... can you set it manually and have stuff work? |
| 16:01.36 | edgo_ | fixed it |
| 16:01.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell donofrio__atwork about ppc |
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| 16:01.51 | edgo_ | just had to find the correct nameserver on the remote network |
| 16:02.12 | edgo_ | but those windowssys(ies) on the remote network weren't any help |
| 16:02.18 | edgo_ | all cool now |
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| 16:04.06 | blubee | I get a segmentation fault when trying to run vlc. This is the gdb backtrace: http://paste.debian.net/378707/ |
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| 16:09.51 | blubee | does anyone know why just running vlc causes segfault? |
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| 16:10.43 | blind | What version of VLC? |
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| 16:11.36 | blubee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.57 | blind | blubee: the "installed:" line |
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| 16:12.14 | blubee | same one |
| 16:12.22 | blubee | http://paste.debian.net/378707/ Installed: 2.2.1-1~deb8u1 |
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| 16:13.03 | blind | Ah good, that output might tell someone something. I personally don't know |
| 16:13.34 | blind | I could suggest an alternate media player, mpv. |
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| 16:14.24 | towo` | blubee, let me oracle, you use nvidia blob? |
| 16:14.36 | blubee | mmh |
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| 16:16.13 | blubee | towo`: yes I have the nvidia drivers |
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| 16:16.55 | blubee | nvidia-driver: Installed: 355.11-1 |
| 16:17.00 | donofrio__atwork | jelly: yah and that doesn't answer the question of why no love for multi arch - or in reality why is this group not renamed to debianx86?? |
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| 16:17.26 | towo` | blubee, https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/883983/?comment=4691239 |
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| 16:18.18 | id10t | donofrio, not a lot of us have the $ to spend on esoteric hardware. i mean, i have a ppc box but it is a g3 imac ... and collecting dust in the corner of my garage. |
| 16:18.21 | towo` | blubee, and since 355.11 is not in debian and you have installed it with the unsupported installer, you on your own |
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| 16:18.38 | blubee | towo`: no it is in debian unstable |
| 16:18.48 | towo` | blubee, no, is in experimental |
| 16:18.52 | blubee | if you follow the instructions on the debian gpu wiki |
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| 16:19.13 | towo` | and experimental is as it is, experimental |
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| 16:19.36 | blubee | unstable but i guess it's the same thing: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
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| 16:20.31 | blubee | really wish nvidia would opensource their drivers |
| 16:20.41 | blubee | i really hope vulkan puts an end to this madness... :/ |
| 16:20.42 | DoctorD90 | hello! im trying to use gnome online accounts to link at my hotmail (windows live) account. It says "unacceptable TLS". any suggestion? |
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| 16:20.50 | towo` | blubee, 355.11 is only in experimental, the error is well known, so what's your problem? |
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| 16:21.51 | blubee | okay |
| 16:22.17 | blubee | I do shader programming so i tend to try and keep the latest drivers but man, this is.... |
| 16:23.24 | sambrambam | hello why i cannot into samba mount i got error "mount error(115): Operation now in progress" when i mount -t |
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| 16:25.03 | Engys | blubee, everybody like to see an open source nvidia driver .. but you know what .. some day we will have enough intel gpu power |
| 16:25.22 | jelly | donofrio__atwork: I'm not sure what you're trying to propose. If there are ppc users here willing to answer questions, they will be here. However, it is more likely you'll find them in the arch-specific channel, possibly on the actual debian irc network (OFTC = irc.debian.org) |
| 16:25.22 | sambrambam | when i smbclient -NL $HOST i get "Connection to $HOST failed (Error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT)" even though on other computer (debian) it works perfectly |
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| 16:26.24 | blubee | Engys: that'd be prett good |
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| 16:32.03 | Engys | blubee, by the way I purged the debian way nvidia driver =) |
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| 16:33.32 | Engys | blubee .. and installed the one from nvidia as dkms |
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| 16:34.06 | blubee | Engys: can you test vlc and see if it crashes? |
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| 16:34.43 | blubee | I really don't like installing packages like that but if it works I might just do that. The last time I used external packages my laptop stopped going to sleep |
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| 16:38.39 | Engys | blubee, not in the moment .. I am on Arch because I need to use my old Debian VMs to made my Debian programs to work like before some updates .. sry |
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| 16:47.30 | docmur | If I boot an ssh server in the initramfs, such as tinyssh, or dropbear, and that server is located in a remote datacenter, is there away to initiate a tunnel, so I can get back to it, without having to assign that server directly in my routing table? |
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| 16:48.07 | tony1 | I am not sure where to report a bug but I am having trouble with open-iscsi automatically connecting on reboot. it worked fine with wheezy. anyway I think it is because of the boot order of the startup script and I do not know how to change it. as a hack I added service open-iscsi restart to /etc/rc.local and now it will connect on reboot but I don't feel this is the proper way. any advice? |
| 16:48.26 | tony1 | I am using this on a Raspberry pi 2 |
| 16:49.29 | Engys | blubee, if you have some of this hybrid bumblebee labtops I understand why ur carefull |
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| 16:55.54 | Engys | blubee, this nvidia optimus thing drives even mr torvalds mad =P |
| 16:56.33 | blubee | Engys: that's the main reason I stick with the debian repos |
| 16:56.51 | blubee | they are at least tested a little by debian based engineers |
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| 16:59.40 | cnygaard | When using netinst and preseed |
| 16:59.47 | cnygaard | What selects a minimal system? |
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| 17:12.53 | KhazAkar | Hi all |
| 17:13.30 | KhazAkar | Somebody tried to make bootable sd card with debian? |
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| 17:14.56 | id10t | KhazAkar, for what hardware? for PC stuff, the various utilities to write a iso image to a USB flash drive work fine.... |
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| 17:15.22 | id10t | KhazAkar, for something like a pi though i've always just downloaded the appropriate image and used dd to put it on the disk |
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| 17:16.07 | KhazAkar | For notebook motherboard I need to write sd card image with debian,because I have only one usb port and no embedded keyboard |
| 17:16.57 | v0r0nwe | what about "xcat image.tar.xz > /dev/sdd" or whatever? |
| 17:17.36 | KhazAkar | Debian iso with xcat? :D |
| 17:17.55 | v0r0nwe | ok sorry didn't know it was iso ;) |
| 17:18.15 | KhazAkar | Yup,It's iso,sorry for not giving that info :P |
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| 17:21.25 | blubee | this is strange, my laptop turned on the screensaver and then came back my trackpad doesn't work |
| 17:21.35 | blubee | dmesg shows this: http://paste.debian.net/378712/ |
| 17:22.04 | markybob | KhazAkar, you just cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 17:22.19 | KhazAkar | Not with dd? |
| 17:22.35 | markybob | KhazAkar, they do the same thing. the install guide says to use cp just cuz it's easier |
| 17:23.03 | markybob | KhazAkar, not it's /dev/sdX not /dev/sdX1 or whatever. don't use the partition |
| 17:23.06 | markybob | note* |
| 17:23.49 | KhazAkar | So I need to wait to end dd command with bs=1M,then I would try with cp command :P |
| 17:24.39 | markybob | KhazAkar, you don't have to redo it. didn't see your dd command. if it's right it should work. sync after it's done |
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| 17:25.10 | KhazAkar | I don't do sync and It worked with dd and bs=1M command :D |
| 17:25.23 | markybob | if it worked, great |
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| 17:25.42 | KhazAkar | Thanks ;P |
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| 17:26.46 | dfc | Why do the avahi-daemon rc scripts get renamed so frequently? etckeeper is always reporting: |
| 17:26.49 | dfc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:28.06 | balance | hi, what does the option webserver install? is it lamp? |
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| 17:28.42 | markybob | balance, there is no lamp package, but you can install them all individually. apt-get install apache/php5/mysql-server/etc whatever you want |
| 17:29.04 | balance | markybob, when installing debian I can choose the option "webserver", whats that? |
| 17:29.19 | markybob | balance, that'll just install apache |
| 17:29.54 | KhazAkar | The best file system for web etc server? :P |
| 17:30.02 | balance | markybob, ah, ok - wondering why it's not called apache - thanks :) |
| 17:30.24 | balance | KhazAkar, could also be nginx or a package of whatever. |
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| 17:31.19 | KhazAkar | For www server I want to take lighttpd,I don't like nginx config :D |
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| 17:31.57 | balance | KhazAkar, or that - thanks for remining, need to try it out once :) |
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| 17:33.50 | KhazAkar | I would use nginx for caching,but I would think about using nginx as main web server,but I have cons about It. I know one website from my country based on nginx and It likes to crash very often :p |
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| 17:36.11 | KhazAkar | Choose XFS for main filesystem? :P |
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| 17:38.59 | Kirito | Can you find the configure arguments for packages such as PHP somewhere? |
| 17:39.08 | Kirito | They're not listed in phpinfo |
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| 17:39.51 | grawity | Kirito: I think, apt-get source php, look in debian/rules? |
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| 17:44.11 | Kirito | grawity, \o |
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| 17:57.25 | Ooze | Has anyone here updated Apache from 2.2 to w.4? |
| 17:57.29 | Ooze | 2.4* |
| 17:57.52 | markybob | Ooze, yes. it was fun |
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| 17:58.19 | Ooze | How fun was it? |
| 17:58.20 | Ooze | I'm scared. |
| 17:58.31 | markybob | Ooze, it's in the install guide. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
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| 17:59.11 | Ooze | Why do these updates not populate if I apt-get update? |
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| 17:59.29 | Ooze | I have a bunch appearing in webmin, but apt-get doens't seem to trigger any of them |
| 17:59.34 | markybob | Ooze, you likely haven't changed your sources or you did upgrade and not dist-upgrade |
| 17:59.41 | markybob | !tell Ooze about wheezy->jessie |
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| 18:01.12 | KhazAkar | just change from wheezy to stable - better than giving codename :D |
| 18:01.26 | markybob | KhazAkar, no stupid |
| 18:01.40 | markybob | KhazAkar, you always use release names |
| 18:01.42 | abrotman | KhazAkar: 100% wrong |
| 18:02.06 | HouseMD | pops 2 vicodin pills |
| 18:02.26 | KhazAkar | why mayby wrong? I always use stable/testing/unstable than jessie/stretch/sid :p |
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| 18:02.55 | markybob | KhazAkar, because when testing because stable and you have stable and not a release name in your sources you'll be fucked |
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| 18:03.39 | KhazAkar | Why mayby fucked?When next stable don't remove packages what I'm using - I don't need to change stable to codename :P |
| 18:03.46 | HouseMD | Its never lupus! |
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| 18:04.45 | Ghostbird | KhazAkar: You can do it, but I would not recommend it. |
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| 18:05.12 | markybob | KhazAkar, because the upgrade process doesn't work that way. it'll break packages. |
| 18:05.13 | Ghostbird | It means that at some point your system updates, but it may be at an inconvenient time and it may cause things to break. |
| 18:05.43 | markybob | KhazAkar, this is why we have release notes that tells you what to do to upgrade to a new release. it's not clear cut |
| 18:05.54 | KhazAkar | But why?When somebody used wheezy and change to jessie (systemd? bleh) then yes,It can break stuff. But from systemd-distro to systemd-distro? :p |
| 18:06.23 | KhazAkar | s/change/changed |
| 18:06.26 | Ghostbird | Personally I use release names and once the new version is released, I wait until a moment that I have time. Then I run a single line of sed that replaces the old release with the new release, run a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot and start fixing the system. |
| 18:06.28 | Ooze | If I don't upgrade Apache, will I encounter problems later on? |
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| 18:06.29 | markybob | KhazAkar, yes, systemd to systemd. i don't know how much better i can explain it. it's not smooth |
| 18:06.34 | markybob | Ooze, yes |
| 18:06.44 | Ooze | What, why? |
| 18:06.56 | markybob | Ooze, mainly security updates |
| 18:07.07 | Ghostbird | It's a good idea to keep Apache up to date. |
| 18:07.21 | KhazAkar | every web server up to date* fix'd |
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| 18:07.58 | markybob | KhazAkar, wtf does that even mean? |
| 18:08.29 | KhazAkar | fix'd - fixed :P |
| 18:08.57 | markybob | KhazAkar, how do you figure? if he has an outdated apache on an updated jessie...how would it be updated/fixed? |
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| 18:09.33 | KhazAkar | But I said about every web server.Any of It must be up to date |
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| 18:09.49 | markybob | i must be high |
| 18:09.54 | markybob | walks away |
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| 18:11.15 | KhazAkar | No problemo :P |
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| 18:11.36 | shibboleth | Anyone know if Nick Andrik (package maintainer) lurks on IRC? |
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| 18:15.57 | KhazAkar | I cannot connect to my server with ajenti,connection reset :c |
| 18:16.00 | Ooze | Apparently I'm already on 2.4, things have been running fine but apparently I have some errors |
| 18:16.03 | Ooze | http://paste.harleyluplow.com/uvuwekaqaz.hs |
| 18:16.35 | Ooze | Are these changes only relevant if you've upgraded from wheezy? |
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| 18:16.46 | Ooze | I think I might have done a clean installation on this machine, but I really don't remember |
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| 18:18.53 | markybob | Ooze, looks like your /etc/apache2/envvars got fucked up. http://paste.debian.net/378721/ |
| 18:18.58 | KhazAkar | Somebody know how to fix my problem? I installed ajenti on my debian jessie server but I have on my notebook(peer) "connection has been reset" |
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| 18:19.31 | markybob | Ooze, make it like that, restart apache...hopefully it'll work |
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| 18:21.05 | multipl3x_ | Does anyone know if libapache2-mod-auth-mysql is available in Debian 8 or is that broken? |
| 18:21.27 | greycat | ,v libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 18:21.28 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.3.9-13; wheezy: 4.3.9-13.1+b1 |
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| 18:22.11 | multipl3x_ | judd: I will have to install the package manually, can't use apt-get ? |
| 18:22.12 | judd | No package named 'will' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 18:22.34 | markybob | multipl3x_, it's a bot. greycat called it. |
| 18:22.39 | Ooze | markybob: It's operational as it is, I'm just getting those errors. Replace the whole file or is there a line in particular I should edit? |
| 18:22.53 | markybob | Ooze, i'd replace the whole file |
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| 18:22.59 | calamari | I noticed that when installing certain packages that there are hooks that sometimes run additional tasks. I'd like to learn more about this to hopefully auto-recompile a custom kernel module when the kernel changes. Can anyone offer some search terms so that I can research further? (in case it matters, I'm running Ubuntu) |
| 18:23.18 | multipl3x_ | thanks |
| 18:24.04 | id10t | calamari, you probably want to learn about dkms then |
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| 18:24.55 | calamari | id10t: alright, thanks! |
| 18:25.01 | greycat | id10t: he's an ubuntu user. Don't even waste time answering him. |
| 18:25.22 | Ooze | markybob: http://paste.debian.net/378732/ |
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| 18:25.39 | dontknow | greycat, but his question is universal |
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| 18:25.49 | Ooze | I'm just doing --version because it seems to bring up these errors, -v works just fine |
| 18:26.08 | dontknow | greycat, you have wrong attitude |
| 18:26.14 | greycat | I disagree. |
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| 18:26.24 | markybob | Ooze, AH00526: Syntax error on line 74 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf i need to know what that line says |
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| 18:27.28 | Ooze | markybob: Mutex file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} default |
| 18:27.29 | markybob | dontknow, greycat is following the /topic. everyone should |
| 18:28.26 | greycat | Ooze: I don't really know apache2(.4) config very well, but that looks like it was intended to be expanded by a shell before being written to the file. |
| 18:28.53 | dontknow | markybob, but his question is independent from any distro |
| 18:28.54 | calamari | it is true.. however I feel that you guys know the debian packaging system a lot better than the #ubuntu channel |
| 18:28.58 | markybob | Ooze, that's what i have in apache2.conf. not sure what's happening with you |
| 18:29.09 | markybob | Ooze, you might want to ask #httpd for more specialized advice |
| 18:29.09 | greycat | dontknow: That is utterly preposterous. It is *incredibly* distribution-specific. |
| 18:29.17 | calamari | sorry for the off topic |
| 18:29.22 | Ooze | Again, nothing's really /not/ working, those just come up if I --version |
| 18:29.30 | dontknow | calamari, i agree. good reasoning |
| 18:29.31 | Ooze | Which I'm pretty sure is the wrong arg anyway |
| 18:30.07 | markybob | calamari, dontknow we don't know a damn thing about ubuntu changes. and they do change things. so we can't support it. that simple |
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| 18:30.39 | KhazAkar | Somebody used there ajenti? :P |
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| 18:31.18 | KhazAkar | On Debian ofc ;) |
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| 18:41.00 | de-facto | Is there an official java 8 headless for debian jessie amd64? |
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| 18:44.22 | fairway | hi all |
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| 18:44.39 | fairway | since yesterday my debian server hangs when doing apt-get remove mysql-server-5.6 |
| 18:44.46 | fairway | Entfernen von mysql-server-5.6 (5.6.28-1) ... |
| 18:44.58 | fairway | what is the way to fix it? |
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| 18:46.30 | dutchfish | de-facto, i gues https://packages.qa.debian.org/j/java-common.html |
| 18:47.16 | dutchfish | de-facto, see also https://wiki.debian.org/Java/ |
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| 18:48.50 | dutchfish | fairway, can you send to pastbin the error it produces when trying to remove? |
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| 18:49.06 | de-facto | dutchfish hmm i thought its not on jessie yet since we have https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/openjdk-8-jre |
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| 18:49.38 | dutchfish | de-facto, right, but its in backports for stable |
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| 18:50.40 | dontknow | markybob, he just wanted the keywords related to his question |
| 18:50.51 | dutchfish | de-facto, stable wont receive newer versions, as you probably new, but backports sometimes does |
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| 18:51.36 | de-facto | dutchfish hmm how would i just upgrade all java related packages from backports, but keep the rest of the system on official stable? |
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| 18:52.00 | dutchfish | !tell de-facto about backports |
| 18:53.03 | dutchfish | !pinning |
| 18:53.04 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 18:53.33 | de-facto | !backports |
| 18:53.33 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 18:54.23 | dutchfish | de-facto, you can use /msg on the bot |
| 18:54.23 | fireant | they banned my nickname on ##linux I dont know why |
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| 18:55.33 | de-facto | that backports repo sounds a bit scary |
| 18:55.58 | dontknow | fireant, i can communicate them if you want |
| 18:56.28 | dutchfish | de-facto, well, it is at first glance, but read it carefully in the wiki; also read the other factoids dpkg suggested |
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| 18:56.59 | dutchfish | de-facto, if you still have questions left after all that ...... |
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| 18:58.36 | fireant | dontknow: yes, you could ask who banned my, why and what stops them removing the ban |
| 18:59.24 | dutchfish | de-facto, however it is wiser to stick to debian's stable version if possible |
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| 19:03.08 | jelly | fireant, dontknow: the correct place to ask about this is in ##linux-ops |
| 19:03.46 | dontknow | fireant, they say ask to ##linux-ops |
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| 19:03.49 | dontknow | jelly, yeah |
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| 19:04.16 | de-facto | dutchfish yeah i know hence my hesitation to mess with it, is a production server, but i would need TLS1.2 on java in future |
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| 19:04.56 | dutchfish | de-facto, i also like you to know about this (but dont complaining if it breaks your system to me) https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage |
| 19:05.41 | dutchfish | de-facto, there is a good reason why stable has done it, as i is now |
| 19:06.17 | jelly | dutchfish, de-facto: there's basically no need for pinning if you choose to have jessie and jessie-backports enabled |
| 19:06.20 | de-facto | dutchfish yes but java7 is so ancient now... there is even http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html but it looks kinda hackish |
| 19:06.37 | dutchfish | jelly, true |
| 19:06.53 | jelly | de-facto: it's ancient in the feature set but 7u91 has been released not a month ago |
| 19:07.29 | de-facto | jelly wont it upgrade half my system when i add backports? |
| 19:08.04 | jelly | it won't upgrade anything |
| 19:08.06 | markybob | de-facto, no. that's the beauty of backports |
| 19:09.13 | jelly | go read backports.debian.org, we'll be here |
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| 19:09.16 | de-facto | oh really, so i can just add backports, pull the java package from it and it will only upgrade the mimimum needed for dependencies from backports (and get future updates from there)? |
| 19:09.23 | jelly | correct |
| 19:09.38 | de-facto | awesome thats what i need :) |
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| 19:13.37 | de-facto | when i install new package, will it default to jessie or pull it from jessie-backports? |
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| 19:14.03 | greycat | jessie, unless you explicitly use -t jessie-backports |
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| 19:23.04 | taliptako | i want to add new hot corners to debian |
| 19:23.13 | taliptako | i'm using with gnome |
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| 19:24.18 | *** topic/#debian by jelly -> Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.3; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 19:26.28 | de-facto | hmm i think this wont work, the package in question depends on default-jre-headless which depends on openjdk-7-jre-headless, so i cannot fiddle in java 8 |
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| 19:27.54 | jelly | de-facto: why can't you? |
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| 19:28.49 | de-facto | how would I? dkpg-buildpackage a new default-jre-headless with dependency on openjdk-8-jre-headless ? |
| 19:29.22 | jelly | you haven't said anything about dpkg-buildpackage before now |
| 19:29.24 | jelly | !goal |
| 19:29.25 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 19:30.47 | de-facto | i have a package depending on default-jre-headless using java. i need TLS1.2 so the pulled in openjdk-7-jre-headless is too old for that, hence i need to upgrade to openjdk-8-jre-headless which wont fit in the dependency chain |
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| 19:31.54 | de-facto | my goal is to run this package on openjdk-8-jre-headless from jessie-backports |
| 19:32.33 | jelly | de-facto: which package? |
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| 19:33.25 | jelly | if you need jre 8, depend on jre 8 not default-jre-headless |
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| 19:33.58 | de-facto | jitsi-videobridge, its Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, default-jre-headless |
| 19:34.09 | jelly | ,v jitsi-videobridge |
| 19:34.10 | judd | No package named 'jitsi-videobridge' was found in amd64. |
| 19:34.15 | roycollins | Anyone know the status of thunderbolt 3 on 4.4 kernel? I am getting lots of errors but change log says it should work. |
| 19:34.32 | roycollins | As soon as I plug in a thunderbolt DP plug I get error 'failed to train DP, aborting'. Anyone have any leads. I tried Kernel 4.4.1 and 4.5-Rc2 both with same error |
| 19:34.37 | jelly | de-facto: where does this package come from? |
| 19:34.58 | de-facto | it comes from https://download.jitsi.org/deb/unstable/ |
| 19:35.07 | jelly | de-facto: also, what is stopping you from having default-jre-headless and openjdk-8-jre installed at the same time? |
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| 19:36.02 | de-facto | jelly i thought openjdk-7 and -jre openjdk-8-jre would collide somehow? or can i just pull openjdk-8-jre in and switch with /etc/default/java? |
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| 19:36.35 | jelly | de-facto: why dod you think so? |
| 19:36.43 | jelly | I mean, did you even try? |
| 19:36.53 | jelly | they're coinstallable. |
| 19:37.16 | de-facto | ok then i will try (and hopefully not mess it up) |
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| 19:43.40 | jelly | de-facto: update-java-alternatives --jre -l; update-java-alternatives --jre -s java-1.8.0-openjdk-amd64; java -version |
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| 19:43.47 | de-facto | jelly wow that was way easier than i thought: just added jessie-backports and "apt install openjdk-8-jre-headless" then "update-alternatives --config java" and restarted jitsi services |
| 19:43.53 | jelly | right |
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| 19:44.22 | de-facto | and BOOM it just worked⢠on TLS1.2 :) |
| 19:44.27 | de-facto | thank you a lot |
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| 19:44.45 | jelly | it's a bit silly to have to keep jre 7 installed, but hey it's just 200MB of disk space now |
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| 19:45.26 | de-facto | yeah and maybe it will be usefull to be able to switch back on bugs, but at first sight everything is just fine :) |
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| 19:45.57 | de-facto | wouldnt have guessed this would be that easy :)) |
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| 19:48.09 | jelly | it's also multiarch compliant so you can pick a 32bit or 64bit jre to act as /usr/bin/java |
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| 19:52.43 | de-facto | nice :) |
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| 20:00.49 | meinerheld | hello you gentlemen and gentlewomen |
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| 20:01.12 | meinerheld | could i get some help? |
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| 20:02.44 | greycat | !ask |
| 20:02.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:03.13 | meinerheld | i'm trying to install simutrans via the sourceforge download (http://www.simutrans.com/en/download/), but there's no makefile |
| 20:03.31 | greycat | is there a configure script? |
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| 20:03.59 | meinerheld | under the folder "config", there's "simuconf.tab" |
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| 20:04.39 | meinerheld | (btw i have crunchbang, but crunchbang pretty much *is* debian, and i couldn't get help in #crunchbang, so i came here. i hope that's ok) |
| 20:04.43 | greycat | If there is no file literally named "configure" in the top level directory, then you will have to find the instructions and read them. |
| 20:04.51 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:05.27 | meinerheld | ok juss tryin |
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| 20:07.06 | SpeccyMan | have you read the readme file or tried running the executable in that archive? |
| 20:07.38 | greycat | Installation instructions are traditionally in a file named INSTALL or README, but that can also vary. |
| 20:07.51 | SpeccyMan | the reason there is no makefile is it is an executable, not a source archive |
| 20:08.00 | meinerheld | strangely there is no readme with the dl. i hunted and found a readme to the main dl, but it didn't have any make instructions |
| 20:08.16 | meinerheld | yes i know greycat, but there's nothing like that |
| 20:08.38 | meinerheld | in fact it almost looks as if everything already made, but when i dl to common folder and try the executable, nothing |
| 20:08.51 | SpeccyMan | you may want to run the get_pak.sh script first though |
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| 20:09.50 | SpeccyMan | The most common error is the attempt to start the program without installing a graphics set. This is not possible! << from the readme |
| 20:10.29 | meinerheld | yeah speccy i saw that, but i dl'ed one and dumped it into the same folder, and still nothing |
| 20:10.49 | meinerheld | also tried get_pak.sh, in gui, in terminal, nothing |
| 20:11.02 | meinerheld | maybe i put the pak i dl'ed in the wrong place |
| 20:11.03 | greycat | I seriously doubt that "nothing" happened. |
| 20:11.10 | meinerheld | i have it top level |
| 20:11.16 | meinerheld | well no readout |
| 20:11.17 | meinerheld | no print |
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| 20:11.56 | meinerheld | and come to think of it i used "open", and no other terminal instance popped up |
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| 20:12.10 | meinerheld | i guess this is a quirk with this particular program |
| 20:12.13 | meinerheld | thanks for your help |
| 20:12.16 | greycat | Whatever, this is not a Debian issue, and it's probably not even a Crunchbang issue. Ask the channel that supports this software package. |
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| 20:12.52 | greycat | ,v simutrans |
| 20:12.53 | judd | Package: simutrans on amd64 -- squeeze: 102.2.2~ds1-1; jessie: 111.2.2-1; wheezy: 111.2.2-1; sid: 120.1.1+repack-3; stretch: 120.1.1+repack-3 |
| 20:13.02 | greycat | Or install the Debian package of it, on Debian. |
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| 20:14.44 | HicksD_ | Anyone here use an optimus laptop with bumblebee that's managed to get the current nvidia drivers in jessie backports working? I get https://paste.debian.net/378750/ after upgrading to the backports version. (works fine if I remove everything/go back to non backport bumblebee/nvidia) |
| 20:15.01 | meinerheld | thx judd and greycat and everyone |
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| 20:28.08 | deb88 | kernel 4.5 enables touchpad on newish hardware, confirmed with fedora install. Any idea when testing will be based on 4.5? |
| 20:28.24 | teraflops | !when |
| 20:28.25 | dpkg | Now! |
| 20:28.26 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 20:28.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 20:28.49 | teraflops | dpkg: hey bot, the answer is: when it's ready :P |
| 20:28.50 | dpkg | teraflops: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 20:29.04 | greycat | I kind of find it hard to believe you'd need to move to a whole new kernel *series* for a touchpad driver. |
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| 20:29.33 | greycat | Isn't it just basically a funny-looking mouse? |
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| 20:30.39 | deb88 | Well, you likely know more than I do, but that seems to be the advice I've read on various forums: wait until 4.5. |
| 20:31.22 | greycat | Which hardware are you talking about? |
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| 20:32.41 | deb88 | I'd have to dig up all the links, but basically it is not recognized at all currently- the hardware does not appear in lspci, dmsg etc. logs. |
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| 20:33.56 | ulyzze | I'm trying to set up an ftp server but when I'm trying to connect to it I get: "no route to host" |
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| 20:34.16 | greycat | If you're inside a NAT, just stop trying. Seriously. |
| 20:34.33 | greycat | If you're inside a NAT, set up an ssh server and use sftp. |
| 20:34.37 | ulyzze | It's not a server I own, how can I check if I'm behind a NAT? |
| 20:35.13 | greycat | What are your local IP addresses? |
| 20:35.27 | ulyzze | Why does it matter what my IP is? |
| 20:35.45 | Sayona | Hi guys, I have a dinosaur Hp Workstation xw6200 with 8GB ram, and I want to install debian. What kind of version you recommanded me? |
| 20:35.46 | greycat | That's how we're going to determine whether you're inside a NAT. And maybe test connectivity from a different source. |
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| 20:35.59 | STMelon | if you dont own the server you are trying to make an ftp server on, do you have permission to do that? |
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| 20:36.16 | ulyzze | STMelon: it's rented |
| 20:36.19 | greycat | Sayona: Dinosaur? 8 GB RAM? These don't add up. |
| 20:36.31 | Sayona | is a old Hp Workstation xw6200 |
| 20:37.24 | ulyzze | I can ping it, but not connect |
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| 20:37.50 | greycat | Sayona: http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c00215315 says "Single or dual Intel Xeon processors (Nocona) with EM64T and Hyper-Threading Technology" |
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| 20:38.08 | Sayona | greycat, yes |
| 20:38.50 | rww | sounds like amd64 will work fine |
| 20:39.02 | Sayona | i download amd64? |
| 20:39.08 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon#Nocona_and_Irwindale seems to say it is 64-bit. |
| 20:39.21 | rww | well, the bit you quoted where it says EM64T says so too :P |
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| 20:40.00 | greycat | "Intel followed suit by including Intel 64 (formerly EM64T; it is almost identical to AMD64)" |
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| 20:40.04 | greycat | huh... "almost"? |
| 20:40.20 | rww | yeah, there's a couple of different instructions that i think just don't get used in amd64 linux distros |
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| 20:40.40 | rww | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Differences_between_AMD64_and_Intel_64 |
| 20:40.40 | Sayona | what I need to install? |
| 20:40.50 | rww | Sayona: amd64 |
| 20:40.52 | greycat | Jessie amd64 netinst. |
| 20:41.15 | rww | so e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 20:43.10 | Sayona | thanks |
| 20:43.12 | ulyzze | I rented a server with my own IP but it's behind a NAT? How can I know next time it's not behind a NAT? |
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| 20:43.44 | Sayona | :* |
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| 20:44.39 | teraflops | ulyzze: wat |
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| 20:46.54 | greycat | Are we allowed to ask why you want to set up an FTP server, yet? Or are we still trying to figure out what the technical difficulties are? |
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| 20:49.23 | rww | they left |
| 20:49.35 | rww | kinda wish ftp would just go away forever :( |
| 20:49.39 | teraflops | shrugs |
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| 20:50.11 | greycat | Things this deeply entrenched take ages to die. |
| 20:50.11 | teraflops | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
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| 20:56.22 | bluOxigen | hi |
| 20:56.31 | bluOxigen | need help with odbc configuration |
| 20:56.42 | bluOxigen | am usinf Freetds to get connected to mssql server |
| 20:56.59 | bluOxigen | when i do tsql i get connected to the remote sql server |
| 20:57.08 | bluOxigen | but wen am configuring the odbc |
| 20:57.11 | bluOxigen | i am getting |
| 20:57.12 | bluOxigen | [S1000][unixODBC][FreeTDS][SQL Server]Unable to connect to data source |
| 20:57.12 | bluOxigen | [01000][unixODBC][FreeTDS][SQL Server]Adaptive Server connection failed |
| 20:57.27 | bluOxigen | any one plz |
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| 21:21.53 | ebit | Is it possible to make a script that can use the grep command in a script without being superuser. |
| 21:22.22 | blind | You don't need to be root to use grep, so, yes? |
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| 21:23.42 | LambdaComplex | That question honestly scares me a bit |
| 21:24.01 | LambdaComplex | Is this a horrible XY problem? Or did ebit really not know you could run grep without root privs until this moment? |
| 21:25.05 | notmentor | ebit, What leads you to think that might not be possible? |
| 21:25.58 | ebit | when ever I run a script using bash it tells me that I need to be logged into SU to use grep |
| 21:26.19 | nkuttler | ebit: that sounds very wrong. what's the actual command? and which os are you using? |
| 21:28.07 | notmentor | ebit, pastebin the actual script and output |
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| 21:33.35 | lim | When you install virtualbox in debian do you need to install all the dependencies manually |
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| 21:34.11 | nkuttler | lim: no, except maybe for the guest utils if you want them |
| 21:34.12 | mtn | lim: no |
| 21:34.13 | blind | lim: no |
| 21:35.11 | allizom | lim: you need to enable the contrib repo in jessie though |
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| 21:37.29 | arman | hi there could anyone help me, im trying to connect a mouse and keyboard |
| 21:37.40 | arman | besides the one i have now* |
| 21:37.50 | blind | and what happens? |
| 21:38.18 | arman | nothing the deivices arent turning on |
| 21:38.58 | blind | They're not receiving power? |
| 21:39.11 | arman | um im not too sure |
| 21:39.30 | arman | my mouse has a light on but is not working with computer |
| 21:39.36 | blind | Well if it's an optical mouse, you should be able to see the light, unless it's one of those new fangled invisible light ones |
| 21:39.39 | arman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.57 | arman | its a RAT 7 mouse |
| 21:40.09 | blind | I've never had a mouse not work when I plugged it in |
| 21:40.09 | arman | k70 rgb keyboard |
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| 21:40.19 | mtn | arman: are they usb? |
| 21:40.28 | arman | ja |
| 21:40.38 | arman | ya |
| 21:40.38 | mtn | arman: try the other usb ports |
| 21:40.43 | arman | um ok |
| 21:40.53 | notmentor | arman, In X, the keyboard and mouse should control a common core pointer and keyboard |
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| 21:43.04 | arman | um so good news and bad |
| 21:44.02 | arman | I havent tried keyboard yet but when i plug the mouse in it works but it make the mouse functionality on screen not work (went from usb 3.0 to usb2.0) |
| 21:44.28 | arman | for instance i cannot drag the windows around any more |
| 21:44.51 | arman | I cant even use the mouse to click the x button, it is not working |
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| 21:45.49 | arman | the keyboard iom using now has a trackpad on it, when i remove the usb mouse everything works fine again |
| 21:47.11 | arman | actually the way it is now, it seems my mouse cannot click on anything outside the xchat window |
| 21:47.47 | arman | any idea? |
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| 21:48.49 | arman | can debian not make use of 2 mouse inptts? |
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| 21:53.20 | HicksD_ | made a little progress with my bumblebee issue, If I stop the bumbleebeed service, manually unload nvidia via "rmmod nvidia" then run bumblebeed -vv I get https://paste.debian.net/378766/ optirun glxgears starts fine, when I close it however the last part of the log shows it trying to remove the nvidia module and not finding it. If I manually run modprobe -r nvidia it also can't find it, but rmmod nvidia works, any ideas why the difference? |
| 21:54.55 | HicksD_ | it looks like because it can't unload nvidia bbswitch in turn cannot disable the card so /proc/acpi/bbswitch always says ON until I manually rmmod nvidia |
| 21:55.18 | HicksD_ | I didn'tneed to do this with the nvidia 340 + bbswitch in jessie, this just seems to be an issue with 352/bbswitch from backports |
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| 21:57.10 | lim | Is there anything like abode photoshop on debian |
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| 21:57.49 | arman | anyone have a fix for keyboard and mouse connectivity issues? |
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| 22:03.41 | TomTomTo1 | lim, gimp. |
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| 22:06.23 | sliddis | Is it possible to reinstall OS or get only base image with only SSH access to a server? |
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| 22:07.02 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 22:07.10 | tite12345 | Seems like I can't activate my lock screen? |
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| 22:07.31 | tite12345 | I'm pressing the correct key combinations. |
| 22:07.36 | tite12345 | Nothing. |
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| 22:11.32 | LambdaComplex | sliddis: As in, a minimal installation of debian? |
| 22:11.39 | teraflops | sliddis: if I understand well, yes |
| 22:11.56 | LambdaComplex | sliddis: Are you asking if you can reinstall debian on a machine by sshing into it? |
| 22:12.46 | nkuttler | well, there is debootstrap... |
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| 22:13.01 | sliddis | LambdaComplex: I have a remote raspberry that I need to reinstall. |
| 22:13.06 | teraflops | you can deboostrap also boot the debian iso in expert mode and continue the installation via ssh |
| 22:13.44 | LambdaComplex | sliddis: why do you say you need to reinstall? |
| 22:14.04 | nkuttler | sliddis: can't it boot from usb? |
| 22:14.13 | sliddis | LambdaComplex: because I was hacked, and it feels like its the safest thing to do. |
| 22:14.20 | sliddis | nkuttler: I have no physical access to it. |
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| 22:16.12 | LambdaComplex | alright, satisfy my curiosity |
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| 22:16.15 | LambdaComplex | how'd you get hacked? :p |
| 22:16.33 | teraflops | heh |
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| 22:18.22 | lim | run scripts as SU |
| 22:18.40 | sir_galahad_ad | o/ |
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| 22:19.36 | sliddis | LambdaComplex: I'm not sure yet. I guess it was because one of the lesser known CMS's I installed on my apache server.. |
| 22:21.08 | LambdaComplex | sliddis: Oh, you were using it as a public-facing webserver? |
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| 22:21.18 | sliddis | yes |
| 22:21.28 | LambdaComplex | That can definitely leave you open to attacks :P |
| 22:22.10 | sliddis | LambdaComplex: lesson learned. |
| 22:22.40 | LambdaComplex | sliddis: what cms? |
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| 22:24.05 | sliddis | LambdaComplex: I don't remember. Might have been this http://www.phpservermonitor.org/ |
| 22:26.09 | nullm0dem | sliddis: You might want to look into proxying webadmin panels through ssh |
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| 22:26.20 | somiaj | !webadmin |
| 22:26.25 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 22:26.26 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 22:27.27 | teraflops | hmm webmin scares me |
| 22:27.39 | nullm0dem | same |
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| 22:28.05 | somiaj | that was more to point people to /msg dpg free whcp if you want such a configure tool. |
| 22:28.17 | teraflops | somiaj: yeah sure |
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| 22:29.48 | teraflops | i have had several discussions because I denied to setup webmin when several customers asked me to do so |
| 22:30.50 | teraflops | then they hire other people than ends asking me why theres no webmin there .. |
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| 22:31.28 | sliddis | nullm0dem: why would I want webmin_ |
| 22:32.49 | teraflops | sliddis: check the lame and unsafe bits in the factoid |
| 22:33.06 | HicksD_ | I've solved my prob, by making a sym link for nvidia-current.ko to nvidia.ko and nvidia-current-uvm.ko to nvidia-uvm.ko If I'm going to report a bug on this, is it against nvidia-kernel-dkms or bumblebee? |
| 22:33.22 | HicksD_ | or should I just pick one and let the maintainers sort it out ? :) |
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| 22:42.54 | codydh | Hello! Weird debian OS issue.. I have an install in a VM that is responsive if I pause/restore it over a short window (e.g. pause VM and start again 10 minutes later), but not if it's over a longer time (e.g. one hour)? Weird issue, but seems consistently time related. |
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| 22:43.53 | jelly | codydh: what does "responsive" mean? typing at the console? |
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| 22:44.37 | codydh | jelly: Good question, I'm running Openbox, but *all* input is disregarded, mouse and keyboard. Can't switch to TTY. Vm-based Ctrl+Alt+Del sending not recognized. Doesn't *SEEM* to be an issue with the VM software itself. |
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| 22:45.45 | jelly | codydh: it wouldn't be a vbox vm? |
| 22:48.07 | codydh | jelly: I'm actually using a Mac program called Veertu. Thing is I haven't encountered the issue in any other Linux VM, so I'm thinking it's something in my Debian install |
| 22:48.07 | ewew | codydh I think it would be better to ask in #vbox. |
| 22:49.17 | brian- | +1 codydh this is most likely a hypervisor issue |
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| 22:49.51 | codydh | Ok, I'll pursue that. Thought I'd start here since it's only my Debian install that does it, but perhaps that's coincidental. |
| 22:50.11 | codydh | (CentOS is fine, Xubuntu is fine, etc.) |
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| 22:59.51 | jelly | codydh: I've never heard of Veertu, don't know how precisely it does vm suspend and resume that it might trigger unusual behaviour in debian 8 |
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| 23:05.05 | codydh | jelly: Right, I know it's not a popular program. I use it because it's extremely lightweight (uses OS X's built-in hypervisor). Any idea where, within Debian, I might look for those types of logs? Perhaps related to power/kernel issues? |
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| 23:08.12 | jelly | codydh: /var/log/kern.log and dmesg command, but it's not likely to contain anything if the system is actually hung |
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| 23:10.21 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 23:10.27 | jelly | codydh: if you keep something that refreshes often on the screen, like a clock showing seconds, can you confirm you only lost input as opposed to the machine being hung after resume? |
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| 23:12.00 | codydh | jelly: Yeah, I've got conky on the screen, and you're right, the machine is hung. Time doesn't refresh. |
| 23:12.38 | codydh | jelly: And I've checked those and can't find anything, so yes, may be fruitless to find a cause within the VM. |
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| 23:34.37 | wuffi600 | do i have to remove libdrm-radeon1 if i want to use fglrx? |
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| 23:35.34 | arman | Hey there can some one help with mouse issues? |
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| 23:37.17 | teraflops | arman: nope unless you tell what the issue is |
| 23:37.36 | arman | oh sry |
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| 23:38.22 | poldo79 | http://xdcc.it/quo-vado-2015-italian-ld-telesync-xvid-criminalavi/2afe787f3b73bebd7422628374cccb4c |
| 23:38.51 | leonlemouton | https://www.dotdeb.org/2016/02/06/php-7-0-3-for-jessie/ |
| 23:38.57 | poldo79 | http://xdcc.it/network/DarkArtika/channel/bronx/bot/BRoNX%7CNeWs%7C001.html |
| 23:39.13 | arman | well recently (up untill 5 minutes ago) both my keyboard and mouse never worked. i switched the usb on my keyboard from a usb3 to usb 2 and restarted, when i came back to debian my keyboard was still not working ... then 2-3 minutes or so after it started working |
| 23:39.48 | arman | now i want to get my mouse working it has issues on usb3 as well, should i move it to usb 2 |
| 23:40.39 | arman | I also wish to know why my keyboard is working now |
| 23:40.43 | arman | I also wish to know why my keyboard is working now |
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| 23:41.36 | arman | *sry - am still using 2 keyboards (one regular and one with a trackpad attached) |
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| 23:43.59 | n0t | Yeah, I second dual-booting. Good way to have a work environment and a gaming environment |
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| 23:44.56 | n0t | irssi labels misleading, wrong chat |
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| 23:47.49 | cdb24ax | hello, i am using debian and i use a xen kernel. i have successfully passed through a ati radeon 3800 HD with the same config then i tried with my nvidia gtx 980 ti and it failed |
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| 23:48.31 | cdb24ax | iam using a windows 7 hvm guest and in the device manager i can see the gtx 980 ti but it says error code 43 can someone help me out? |
| 23:49.09 | cdb24ax | the annoying thing is the vga card from 2007 works fine while the new gtx 980 just brings errors |
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| 23:49.32 | arman | is there anything that i can do to get my mouse workin properly - it is not acting right, |
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| 23:51.56 | n0t | cdb24ax: newer card = less people have one and less work has probably been done with it so far |
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| 23:52.43 | cdb24ax | this card is not even in the supported vga cards from xen |
| 23:55.59 | cdb24ax | i just randomly grabbed it from an old pc near me |
| 23:56.04 | arman | ? |
| 23:56.30 | cdb24ax | i wonder if i can passthrough this device to a windows 98 guest |
| 23:56.35 | arman | anyone know if RAT 7 mice have issue on linux? |
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