| 00:00.21 | jeezy | also have a powermac with freebsd, and a few other cool things ive collected |
| 00:00.25 | abrotman | Algebr``: you're doing build scripts in C++? |
| 00:00.36 | jelly | jeezy: try debian 8 or 7, see how it fares |
| 00:00.57 | Algebr`` | its actually more complicated than that, I'm writing gnumake shared object plugins in C++ and I want to programatically create debian pkgs |
| 00:01.07 | jeezy | jelly: vs slackware? |
| 00:01.17 | jeezy | jelly: i will try this now |
| 00:01.37 | jelly | vs that netbsd |
| 00:01.43 | jelly | linux is linux |
| 00:01.47 | jeezy | ah, on the poweredge |
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| 00:03.54 | Algebr`` | searching for a dpkg public C/C++ api |
| 00:04.18 | jelly | jeezy: you can probably get 2-4GB Xeon 5140 machines for cheap, those can even run virtualization http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-DL360-G5-Server-Quad-Core-E5410-2x2-33GHz-8GB-2x73GB-10K-P400i-2PS-/191374500271 |
| 00:04.45 | jeezy | nice |
| 00:04.52 | jelly | sorry, those are quad core but similar age |
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| 00:05.41 | awal1 | How to reset Xterm defaults (restore all xterm default configurations)? |
| 00:06.03 | jeezy | jelly: did I tell you; before freebsd on the powermacG5 i had debian installed (then osx before that) |
| 00:06.13 | jeezy | the only thing was Xorg extremely laggy :/ |
| 00:06.22 | jeezy | headless it was great |
| 00:06.23 | awal1 | No trace in man and I have nothing related with xterm in .Xdefaults |
| 00:06.44 | Algebr`` | OKay, apparently there is one: http://dpkg.alioth.debian.org/doc/group__dpkg-public.html |
| 00:06.53 | awal1 | I have just played a lot with fonts, colors..., and now I'm lost :P |
| 00:07.19 | jelly | awal1: remove all the XTerm stuff from your .Xdefaults and/or .Xresources ? |
| 00:08.00 | awal1 | jelly, I have nothing related with xterm in my .Xdefaults file, as I said ;) |
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| 00:08.22 | jelly | awal1: and the other one? |
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| 00:08.42 | awal1 | jelly, I have no xresources file in my home |
| 00:08.50 | awal1 | I use xdefaults file |
| 00:09.12 | jelly | awal1: and yet, when you run "xterm" in a shell you get unusual settings? |
| 00:10.00 | awal1 | jelly I get xterm using new settings, no the defaults |
| 00:10.47 | jelly | awal1: pastebin the output of: xrdb -query |grep -iE 'xterm|x-terminal-emulator' |
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| 00:11.15 | jelly | awal1: then repeat the paste after logging out and logging back in |
| 00:11.44 | nerdcore | I'm attempting to dist-upgrade from squeeze-lts to wheezy and mysql-server fails due to Immediate-Configure. I found this page which suggests -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 but this is not working for me (same result) https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/mips/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#immediate-configure |
| 00:12.45 | awal1 | jelly, that command returns 0 output :D |
| 00:13.12 | jelly | nerdcore: shouldn't you be reading wheezy release notes, not jessie? |
| 00:13.41 | jelly | !immediate-configuration |
| 00:13.41 | dpkg | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." First, try running apt-get upgrade; . If that fails, try running apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0; instead. Finally, if that doesn't work, if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install. You should also read <release notes>. |
| 00:13.48 | nerdcore | im just googling the problem looking for solutions |
| 00:13.58 | nerdcore | thx! |
| 00:14.08 | jelly | nerdcore: /msg dpkg wheezy release notes |
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| 00:16.00 | awal1 | I mean there is no output after running xrdb -query |grep -iE 'xterm|x-terminal-emulator' :) |
| 00:16.12 | jelly | awal1: interesting. |
| 00:16.53 | jelly | awal1: do the settings persist across log off/log on |
| 00:17.15 | awal1 | jelly, sure |
| 00:17.27 | jelly | which DE? |
| 00:18.41 | awal1 | Oh, I run openbox |
| 00:19.05 | awal1 | but I have xfce to , and fluxbox, awesome and i3 |
| 00:19.11 | jelly | awal1: do you have ANY output in xrdb -query? |
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| 00:20.11 | awal1 | jelly, sure, but nothing related with 'xterm' |
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| 00:20.22 | jelly | awal1: pastebin it all!!! |
| 00:20.56 | jelly | may be tired |
| 00:21.07 | jelly | !paste |
| 00:21.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:21.21 | awal1 | Lol, ok, I paste it anyway http://paste.debian.net/379245 |
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| 00:22.00 | jelly | not much there really |
| 00:22.19 | jelly | awal1: readlink -f $(which xterm) |
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| 00:22.38 | awal1 | Usually if any problem with configs I just remove related files/dirs in Home, but there is no Xterm file/dir in my Home |
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| 00:23.06 | awal1 | jelly, what does that command exactly? |
| 00:24.16 | jelly | just making sure you don't have some other "xterm" command |
| 00:24.30 | awal1 | ok returns "/usr/bin/xterm" |
| 00:24.33 | jelly | awal1: which debian release is this? |
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| 00:26.25 | jelly | awal1: I'm out of ideas, apart from making sure /etc/X11/app-defaults/*XTerm* are unchanged by purging and installing xterm anew |
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| 00:28.59 | awal1 | jelly, I have installed xterm manually, i think I'll just purge it |
| 00:29.03 | jelly | awal1: or /msg dpkg confnew |
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| 00:29.16 | jelly | disappears |
| 00:30.01 | awal1 | jelly, Thats okay, thanks for your time. Have a good night there, if going to sleep :) |
| 00:30.18 | awal1 | purge is my best friend :D |
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| 00:40.38 | TinyNatty | Hi. I'm having some trouble with upstart. I'm no longer able to access my services. |
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| 00:41.58 | TinyNatty | I keep getting the error: initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused |
| 00:42.09 | mtn | !ubuntu |
| 00:42.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 00:42.45 | eula-lappy-1 | howdy.....how can i solve this stupid error im getting.....i was stuck on it all day |
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| 00:43.20 | TinyNatty | Yup, I'm running debian on a VPS server I rent. This was working before, but something seems to have changed. I haven't done much and I'm assuming it's caused by an update or maybe a intermittent glitch. |
| 00:43.47 | Acos | is clusterssh supposed to work? |
| 00:43.58 | Acos | its so broken :( |
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| 00:46.04 | Algebr`` | you complain about an error but don't mention it, then just say that the software is broken. |
| 00:46.22 | nkuttler | haven't used it in a while, but used to work just fine |
| 00:46.46 | Acos | if only i could copy and paste from my vm :( |
| 00:46.57 | karlpinc | There's bad permissions on some directories in pool on one of the debian mirrors. I wrote them over a week ago and it seems nothing changed. Does debian want to hear about this sort of problem or should I switch mirrors and forget about it? |
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| 00:47.20 | nkuttler | ls |
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| 00:53.27 | TinyNatty | Is there a way to verify that I'm upstart is running and not something else? |
| 00:53.36 | Acos | its annoying I cant have shared clipboard with this vm :( |
| 00:54.09 | Acos | http://www.cpan.org/src/5.0 |
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| 00:54.11 | Acos | oops |
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| 01:02.30 | Acos | I have so many issues with debian :( |
| 01:03.03 | Acos | question....when did they remove ifconfig? |
| 01:03.43 | markybob | Acos, they didn't |
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| 01:03.54 | Acos | its telling me command not found :( |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | use the full path |
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| 01:04.06 | markybob | Acos, you need to use the full path if you're not root |
| 01:04.10 | markybob | Acos, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:04.23 | Acos | how do they expect a noob to know what? |
| 01:04.28 | Acos | that********** |
| 01:04.29 | jim | ip is replacement for ifconfig... you have some reading/learning to do (and, btw, I do have ifconfig, and, you should probably start getting used to ip) |
| 01:04.46 | Acos | seems like in debian they changed all of the commands |
| 01:04.48 | markybob | Acos, they probably expect people to read the docs or google |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | Acos: if Ubuntu hadn't screwed that up, you'd know .. |
| 01:04.55 | Acos | no sudo and all that :( |
| 01:05.16 | Acos | none of the commands I do work....i struggled trying to get cluster ssh to work ugh |
| 01:05.35 | Algebr`` | ifconfig has been deprecated for like 10 years |
| 01:05.39 | notmentor | Acos, You have to be root to be allowed to actually do any thing with ifconfig... |
| 01:05.40 | Acos | it keeps giving me a dumb error |
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| 01:05.54 | dvs | Acos: you can still install sudo |
| 01:05.58 | jim | would you rather have what you were using before? what had you install debian in the first place? |
| 01:06.02 | abrotman | notmentor: that's not true |
| 01:06.03 | Acos | it says im not in right group? |
| 01:06.15 | notmentor | abrotman, Oh? |
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| 01:06.22 | dvs | netdev group? |
| 01:06.35 | Acos | I had debian installed in a vm and thought why not just use it...guess i shouldnt bother with it :( |
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| 01:07.00 | dvs | Acos: your choice |
| 01:07.02 | jim | that would be your choice (which of course you have) |
| 01:07.02 | Acos | I sat for 40 min trying to compile perl.... |
| 01:07.13 | Acos | i got lots of errors |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | why would you compile perl? |
| 01:07.15 | markybob | why |
| 01:07.18 | notmentor | Acos, Why were you trying to compile perl? |
| 01:07.19 | Acos | cause im noob |
| 01:07.28 | Acos | to use cluster ssh |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | that's absurd |
| 01:07.40 | Acos | turns out my machine was lacking libpng-devl |
| 01:07.47 | Acos | and a lot else |
| 01:07.53 | Algebr`` | why does a ssh thing need an image library |
| 01:07.55 | notmentor | Acos, Of course |
| 01:07.57 | awal1 | TinyNatty: are you running debian? |
| 01:07.57 | markybob | wow. |
| 01:08.03 | Acos | no idea :( |
| 01:08.04 | notmentor | Acos, You have to install the things you want to use |
| 01:08.05 | TinyNatty | awal1, Yup, wheezy |
| 01:08.11 | jim | Acos, do you know about build-dep? |
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| 01:08.29 | Acos | i want to isntall everything so i can just have all the dependencies |
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| 01:08.47 | TinyNatty | It's on a VPS, so it's a pre-setup version of debian wheezy. |
| 01:08.48 | dvs | Acos: you can't install everything. There will be conflicts |
| 01:08.51 | notmentor | Acos, There are also commands that will fetch the build dependencies for a source package (i.e., not for arbitrary source tar balls) |
| 01:08.51 | jim | do you have the disk space for that? |
| 01:09.01 | markybob | Acos, you could've just used apt-get install to install perl without trying to compile |
| 01:09.03 | Acos | how much does it take? |
| 01:09.16 | markybob | plus i'm pretty sure perl is default |
| 01:09.26 | Acos | debian gave me old perl.....i wanted newest version.... |
| 01:09.35 | Acos | then i installed to root folder and used chmod 777 |
| 01:09.41 | notmentor | Acos, You won't be able to install everything together. Some things conflict |
| 01:09.43 | Acos | my vm is a mess |
| 01:09.51 | notmentor | Acos, You could use aptitude and have a go, though |
| 01:10.02 | Acos | No idea how to use that |
| 01:10.08 | r6ku | is there something wrong with the older version of perl? |
| 01:10.09 | notmentor | Acos, There is documentation |
| 01:10.10 | jim | find out |
| 01:10.22 | Acos | I thought new one would let me use ckuster ssh |
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| 01:10.38 | abrotman | judd: versions clusterssh |
| 01:10.39 | judd | Package: clusterssh on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.00.05-3; wheezy: 4.01.01-4; jessie: 4.03.03-1; stretch: 4.05-2; sid: 4.05-2 |
| 01:10.44 | Acos | why is cluster ssh an old version compared to the sourcforfe version? |
| 01:11.05 | jim | judd, info clusterssh |
| 01:11.06 | judd | Package clusterssh (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: administer multiple ssh or rsh shells simultaneously. Version: 4.03.03-1; Size: 121.2k; Installed: 338k; Homepage: http://clusterssh.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/clusterssh |
| 01:11.31 | Acos | i have so many erros now flooding my terminal :( |
| 01:11.33 | awal1 | TinyNatty, can you paste the output of stat /sbin/init ? |
| 01:11.39 | markybob | i'm just scared that you need clusterssh |
| 01:11.44 | Acos | BEGIN-fail--compilation aborted |
| 01:11.51 | Acos | RIP this vm |
| 01:12.15 | Acos | i added new perl to my path with the EXPORT command |
| 01:12.33 | jim | Acos, what were you running before? |
| 01:12.55 | TinyNatty | awal1, http://pastebin.com/raw/ja75ahFb |
| 01:13.02 | Acos | what OS? |
| 01:13.10 | jim | exactly |
| 01:13.18 | Acos | centos <3 |
| 01:14.25 | notmentor | Acos, You're aware that CentOS and Debian differ, right? |
| 01:14.42 | Acos | sadly yes :( |
| 01:14.52 | jim | Acos, and it works for you? (you could keep running that, I guess you want to)... debian is different in a lot of ways, you would need to learn those if you want to run it well |
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| 01:15.07 | Acos | im jsut suprised at my bad luck |
| 01:15.20 | notmentor | Acos, And that there are many ways to deal with the fact that they differ, but that wishing they were the same is not one of them, right? |
| 01:15.28 | Acos | just******* I hit every issue possible |
| 01:15.43 | jim | what version of debian? |
| 01:15.44 | Acos | I just dont know enogh about linux yet |
| 01:16.07 | awal1 | TinyNatty, can you paste ps --pid 1 -f ? |
| 01:16.07 | Acos | debian 8-2-1 3.16.0.4 amd64? |
| 01:16.18 | jim | more likely, about debian |
| 01:16.22 | jim | ok |
| 01:16.27 | Acos | it says 2016-01-17 |
| 01:16.42 | markybob | Acos, yeah. so? |
| 01:17.05 | jim | that looks like the stable version |
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| 01:17.15 | Acos | I made it unstable :( |
| 01:17.29 | Acos | I wanted to upgrade to newest perl |
| 01:17.41 | Acos | it took a while to make and all that jazz |
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| 01:17.53 | Acos | and it doesnt have the same modules |
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| 01:18.07 | Acos | wish it was easier to copy and paste perl |
| 01:18.12 | jim | debian uses perl for lots of internal stuff, that's why its unwise to upgrade it |
| 01:18.26 | Acos | so how can I get to new version? |
| 01:18.31 | Acos | or its just not done |
| 01:18.39 | markybob | Acos, it's not done |
| 01:18.44 | Acos | it said it would remove like 100 components |
| 01:18.56 | Acos | i said no to that removal....oh I had no idea |
| 01:18.59 | notmentor | Acos, There are additional perl library packages too |
| 01:19.28 | TinyNatty | awal1, 1 ? Ss 1:17 init |
| 01:19.39 | TinyNatty | That's PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND |
| 01:19.50 | Acos | well I have no idea what im doing |
| 01:20.18 | notmentor | Acos, I suggest trying to form an idea before pressing things |
| 01:20.19 | awal1 | TinyNatty, which debian are you using exactly? |
| 01:20.26 | Acos | Does Debian have system restore points? |
| 01:20.30 | awal1 | a based one? |
| 01:20.37 | wyre | hi guys! I'm having troubles with nvidia-driver in Jessie |
| 01:20.38 | notmentor | Acos, Not unless you've set them up specifically |
| 01:20.43 | Acos | aw |
| 01:20.44 | wyre | I have a stuck package ... |
| 01:20.52 | Acos | so whats the best way to reset my os? |
| 01:20.55 | wyre | libfglrx-amdxvba1 |
| 01:20.57 | notmentor | Acos, You don't really need one at this point |
| 01:21.17 | TinyNatty | my /etc/os-release says Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy) |
| 01:21.36 | jim | you need to be careful, since debian needs the specific version of perl that comes with it, any new perl would have to be installed in some place like your home dir... and, you must have tried to remove the older perl... you cannot do that and expect things to work |
| 01:21.39 | notmentor | Acos, You can just go to a specific set of packages |
| 01:21.40 | TinyNatty | Not sure if there's any other version info I can provide. |
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| 01:22.05 | wyre | I get a sub-process error in /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 01:22.09 | Acos | ohhhhhh |
| 01:22.14 | Acos | So im SOL? |
| 01:22.22 | notmentor | Acos, Make sure to install any of your own software that you have compiled in the relevant /local/ directories |
| 01:22.22 | markybob | Acos, yes |
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| 01:23.02 | Acos | this is why I always have issues with linux...it never goes smoothly. :( |
| 01:23.16 | Acos | Its always my fault though :) |
| 01:23.20 | awal1 | TinyNatty, oh, I thought you are with jessie or something newer. Excuse I have no idea about upstart, almost with debian releases older then the current stable one |
| 01:23.21 | TinyNatty | Acos, you wanted the most recent version of Perl? |
| 01:23.34 | awal1 | ,v upstart |
| 01:23.35 | jim | Acos, when people ask you why you want the newer perl, you talk about another package, this clusterthing... actually, that package is in, and probably uses the existing perl just fine |
| 01:23.35 | judd | Package: upstart on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.11-5 |
| 01:23.47 | Acos | I thought that might fix my issue with cluster ssh TinyNatty |
| 01:24.04 | jim | you must have another reason |
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| 01:24.25 | Acos | jim thats the reason. It gave me errors and stuff. Its not just working. |
| 01:24.49 | TinyNatty | Is my release stuck in the systemd / upstart split? |
| 01:24.57 | awal1 | TinyNatty, anyway, I think you are having problems with your /sbin/init, sound like upstart isn't loaded |
| 01:25.05 | awal1 | sounds like ^ |
| 01:25.06 | notmentor | Acos, What version of perl does clusterssh actually require? |
| 01:25.08 | Acos | Whats the best way to remove stuff from my $PATG? |
| 01:25.16 | Acos | PATH*** |
| 01:25.17 | jim | one thing, it's good that you're experimenting... in so doing, you're going to break stuff... it's good you're doing it in a vm, you can just blow it away and try again |
| 01:25.37 | Acos | I have like 10 hours in this vm....sad to wave goodbye to it |
| 01:25.42 | TinyNatty | Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how I can know if it's running correctly. All hints point to no. |
| 01:25.58 | Acos | thanks for the positive comment jim |
| 01:26.08 | jim | you can try again, with your new knowledge (or not) |
| 01:26.14 | TinyNatty | Yup, I've been their Acos. |
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| 01:26.34 | TinyNatty | Get used to using apt-get for everything, and you'll find things so much easier, |
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| 01:26.46 | Algebr`` | cough* aptitude * instead of apt-get |
| 01:27.06 | TinyNatty | Well, if you want a UI. |
| 01:27.08 | awal1 | TinyNatty, I suggest you the use of systemd. upstart performance less then systemd, and soon (upstart) will be an obsolete initsystem |
| 01:27.20 | Acos | so why is cluster ssh version from apt get like 2 years behind? |
| 01:27.25 | Acos | of do i have old apt-get |
| 01:27.26 | Algebr`` | TinyNatty: aptitude has a pure UI version as well |
| 01:27.31 | Algebr`` | err, pure command line |
| 01:27.41 | markybob | Acos, because things in debian stable are old. thus stable. |
| 01:27.45 | jim | Acos, what if you run a pair of debian VMs and one of them, you try to be very careful with, the other you experiment, break stuff, back it up so you can save time reinstalling |
| 01:27.47 | markybob | Acos, you can use backports |
| 01:28.00 | jim | , v perl |
| 01:28.01 | judd | Package: perl on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u2; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u3; stretch: 5.22.1-5; sid: 5.22.1-5; experimental: 5.22.1-6 |
| 01:28.01 | TinyNatty | All I use is apt-get install/update/upgrade/remove, so |
| 01:28.02 | Algebr`` | Acos: and probably because someone has to update some files and this is mostly done by volunteers. |
| 01:28.03 | Acos | can I diff the entire os? |
| 01:28.28 | jim | I dunno what "diff" is |
| 01:28.35 | Acos | I would be willing to voulenteer but I dont know enough yet. |
| 01:28.54 | Acos | jim this http://linux.die.net/man/1/diff |
| 01:29.31 | jim | for now, you would do any of this if you're still interested in debian (aka, for your own purposes) |
| 01:29.56 | Algebr`` | Acos: I don't think that makes sense, diff is kind of for two text files. NixOS is a distribution that could let you "diff" different versions, heh. That's a deeper topic though. |
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| 01:31.43 | jim | there's at least 4-5 semesters worth of material, if you want to volunteer to help... I think the first step would be try to keep a debian running |
| 01:32.34 | jim | there are plenty of 20-year devs in the community, so there's lots and lots to learn |
| 01:33.19 | Acos | ya :/ |
| 01:33.29 | jim | are you still interested? |
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| 01:33.38 | Acos | how can I remove my PATH? |
| 01:33.54 | notmentor | Acos, Revert it to the default? |
| 01:33.59 | wyre | hi guys! I've got libfglrx-amdxvba1 and libgl1-fglrx-glx broken ... |
| 01:34.02 | wyre | and I cannot update them |
| 01:34.08 | notmentor | wyre, Why not? |
| 01:34.11 | Acos | I think it I remove the path to new perl it will work better for me notmentor |
| 01:34.13 | wyre | even with -f parameter |
| 01:34.18 | wyre | notmentor, I don't knoe |
| 01:34.21 | abrotman | Acos: please stop trying to break stuff |
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| 01:34.47 | notmentor | Acos, For the love of God, why do you think that? |
| 01:34.53 | wyre | notmentor, I get an error when apt-get is unpacking |
| 01:35.02 | Acos | Welp im noob....so ya |
| 01:35.16 | Acos | If I delete the folder will that help? |
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| 01:35.31 | notmentor | Acos, There's a difference between not knowing and just... inventing stuff |
| 01:36.27 | Acos | How can I undo this command "export PATH=$HOME/localperl/bin/:$PATH"? Thanks |
| 01:36.37 | notmentor | Acos, You can't undo it |
| 01:36.38 | jim | sometimes you have to invent and try things, "oh, that one didn't work, and my system is horribly broken now,,, ok, restore from backup" |
| 01:36.44 | Algebr`` | notmentor: he could unset it |
| 01:36.44 | notmentor | Acos, You can set PATH to anything though |
| 01:36.55 | Acos | How can I see what path is? |
| 01:36.59 | Acos | echo? |
| 01:37.00 | notmentor | Acos, echo $PATH |
| 01:37.08 | jim | well, people who like to invent that is |
| 01:37.24 | notmentor | Acos, You shell fills in $PATH and then calls echo which prints it to the terminal |
| 01:37.41 | wyre | notmentor, I get a message what says the current version is 1:15.9-4~deb8u1 and is gonna be installed 1:14.9+ga14.201-2 |
| 01:37.46 | wyre | too weird ... :S |
| 01:38.27 | Acos | so I need to wipe? |
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| 01:38.45 | notmentor | wyre, You are downgrading. You may need to tell it your really mean it |
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| 01:39.00 | Acos | I followed this guide "http://www.doxer.org/resolved-cssh-installation-on-linux-server/" It had me compile cluster ssh from source |
| 01:39.17 | wyre | notmentor, what do u mean? |
| 01:39.24 | notmentor | Acos, I would normally recommend finding the default path and setting it back, but in your case, maybe just run a new shell |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | Acos: maybe you sohuld ask people that use Debian instead of following braindead garbage on the internet |
| 01:39.37 | wyre | I've only done an" apt-get upgrade" |
| 01:39.41 | Acos | How easy is a new shell? |
| 01:39.45 | notmentor | wyre, The new version is smaller than the old version |
| 01:39.48 | wyre | and the system crashed .. |
| 01:40.00 | wyre | oh, yes but how could I downgrade manually? |
| 01:40.57 | Acos | I am trying to use Debian because others got mad at me for using centos |
| 01:41.08 | Acos | So ya :/ |
| 01:41.13 | jim | "how easy is a new shell" to do what? |
| 01:41.15 | Acos | I need to go shovel snow.....brb |
| 01:41.21 | notmentor | Acos, That's because this is #debian |
| 01:41.32 | jim | make your own choices |
| 01:41.33 | Acos | I meen people in another chat |
| 01:41.56 | Acos | Well it should work just as good....its an OS |
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| 01:43.07 | r6ku | so the older version of clusterssh is broken? |
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| 01:43.43 | jim | your experience with debian (this time) was pretty bad... if you were to make YOUR choice as to whether you would try debian again, would you do it, perhaps out of your own curiousity? |
| 01:43.47 | r6ku | the new stuff is in testing/unstable |
| 01:44.24 | wyre | notmentor, it seems that libfglrx-amdxvba1:amd64 is newest than libfglrx-amdxvba1:i386 |
| 01:44.35 | wyre | but I cannot update i386 package ... :'( |
| 01:45.03 | wyre | libfglrx-amdxvba1:amd64 is 1:15 and libfglrx-amdxvba1:i386 is 1:14, notmentor |
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| 01:47.09 | notmentor | wyre, Yes, they both have to be the same version |
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| 01:47.17 | notmentor | wyre, You said something crashed? |
| 01:47.20 | wyre | notmentor, and how could I fix that? |
| 01:47.35 | wyre | yes now I have now video driver :S |
| 01:47.40 | wyre | I'm from tty xD |
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| 01:48.03 | notmentor | wyre, And it did so whilst upgrading? |
| 01:48.05 | wyre | because in the upgrade process I cannot update the video driver |
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| 01:48.52 | wyre | Nomads, I think so |
| 01:49.16 | wyre | but now with that packages stuck ... I cannot do anything :( |
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| 01:49.35 | notmentor | wyre, Have you tried finishing the upgrade? |
| 01:49.46 | wyre | notmentor, I cannot finish it! |
| 01:49.46 | wyre | xD |
| 01:49.51 | wyre | that's my issue hehe |
| 01:49.58 | notmentor | wyre, What happens when you try? |
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| 01:51.16 | wyre | notmentor, if i use -f parameter I get an error unpacking libfglrx-amdxvba 1:15 |
| 01:51.28 | wyre | i386 |
| 01:51.31 | wyre | obviously |
| 01:51.33 | goctintuc | is busy |
| 01:51.56 | notmentor | wyre, Do you understand the error message? |
| 01:51.56 | wyre | notmentor, what uses apt-get to unpack .deb? s |
| 01:52.29 | Muvlon | Is anyone else on stretch and experiencing web video playback problems since a few days? |
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| 01:53.28 | wyre | notmentor, dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache....../libfglrx-amd....i386 1:15 (--unpack) |
| 01:54.01 | wyre | trying to overwrite xvba_drv_video.so |
| 01:54.10 | Natty | I managed to figure out that, no, my system does not have systemd, it only has upstart. Restarting it seem to fix the problem. Dunno what caused it. |
| 01:54.22 | wyre | errors were encountered while processing libfglrx-amd....i386 |
| 01:54.26 | wyre | that's the error notmentor |
| 01:54.59 | wyre | so finally I cannot update that package and whole system :( |
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| 01:55.31 | notmentor | wyre, Which package is that file in? |
| 01:55.58 | wyre | xvba_drv_video.so do u mean? notmentor |
| 01:56.03 | Acos | burr its kinda chilly outside |
| 01:56.11 | wyre | xvba-va-driver |
| 01:56.13 | notmentor | wyre, Yes... |
| 01:57.12 | notmentor | wyre, So? |
| 01:57.19 | wyre | notmentor, i don't know |
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| 01:57.29 | wyre | should I remove that package?¿ |
| 01:57.32 | notmentor | wyre, Maybe remove that package? |
| 01:57.39 | wyre | i cannot either |
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| 01:58.08 | wyre | unment dependencies |
| 01:58.11 | wyre | and the same packages |
| 01:58.17 | wyre | libfglrx-amd... |
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| 01:58.38 | wyre | and lifgl1-fglrx- ... |
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| 01:59.58 | Acos | Thnaks for your help folks |
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| 02:00.37 | wyre | notmentor, ok, I've needed remove libfglrx-amd...i386 and xvba-va-driver:i386 |
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| 02:01.00 | Acos | jim, I had this exact error "http://sourceforge.net/p/clusterssh/support-requests/52/" |
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| 02:01.52 | Acos | Guess I need " CPAN::Changes" |
| 02:01.54 | wyre | notmentor, ty ;) |
| 02:01.59 | wyre | should I now reinstall that packages? |
| 02:02.19 | notmentor | wyre, You should complete the upgrade |
| 02:02.30 | wyre | ok what I'm doing :D |
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| 02:02.52 | wyre | notmentor, and maybe dist-upgrade? |
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| 02:06.01 | cuchufli | Is there any way to make my touchpad work in the display manager (kdm)? |
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| 02:07.21 | anonnumberanon | Hi, does does raspbian work on a regular computer? |
| 02:07.25 | anonnumberanon | x86? |
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| 02:07.46 | dvs | !raspbian |
| 02:07.46 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 02:07.49 | Acos | What is the best way to save out a list of packages that are installed in this VM? |
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| 02:08.02 | dvs | dpkg --get-selections |
| 02:08.02 | dpkg | dvs: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:08.16 | dvs | heh |
| 02:09.02 | anonnumberanon | dvs, thanks |
| 02:09.12 | dvs | no prob |
| 02:10.22 | notmentor | wyre, The different upgrade just change the types of packages that will be kept, etc. |
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| 02:11.35 | Acos | What debian do I download to reinstall? |
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| 02:11.57 | LordShadowWing | Acos, The latest Stable |
| 02:12.05 | dvs | Debian 8.3 |
| 02:12.14 | Acos | this "https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst"? |
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| 02:12.43 | Acos | Im having hard time finding the page link. Its always the wrong file I download :( |
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| 02:13.16 | LordShadowWing | Acos, Hold on one Sec |
| 02:13.33 | LordShadowWing | Acos, 64 or 32 bit system? |
| 02:13.42 | Acos | 64bit vm? |
| 02:13.48 | Acos | Whats best? |
| 02:13.48 | LordShadowWing | ok, one sec |
| 02:14.08 | LordShadowWing | Acos, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:14.19 | LordShadowWing | 32 Bit is best on Virtual Machines |
| 02:14.39 | Acos | Oh sweet much appreciated LordShadowWing |
| 02:14.51 | Acos | The website has way to much text. |
| 02:15.21 | Acos | In this case too many options is a abd thing |
| 02:15.22 | LordShadowWing | For testing, 64 Bit is best on Bare Metal. This true unless you have a Top of the Line i7 or Xeon CPU |
| 02:16.17 | Acos | This laptop is i7 |
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| 02:17.04 | LordShadowWing | Acos, How old is it, No of Cores, Clock Speed, Model, Ram Amount? |
| 02:17.07 | Acos | Ya its a 1core 2gb ram vm. I have 5 vms running and all my ram is used up :( |
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| 02:17.41 | Acos | its 4core i7 at 2.8ghz.....8gb ram total. running win7 then vmware workstation player |
| 02:17.54 | Acos | Im trying to learn Debian....I jsut always get frustrated |
| 02:18.02 | Acos | It never seems to work. |
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| 02:19.39 | LordShadowWing | Acos, Try Debian on Bare Metal, Via Install on a USB Stick? |
| 02:21.08 | Acos | vm is best |
| 02:21.18 | Acos | that way I dont risk torching my windows 7 isntall |
| 02:21.22 | disciple8959 | Acos: buy a crap laptop from craigs list or buy one from someone who is selling one. |
| 02:21.37 | Acos | I have a spare PC |
| 02:22.10 | Acos | It will run in a vm....I shoudl have isntalled the full os. I cant stand net install |
| 02:23.03 | LordShadowWing | Acos, I have a computer That I can Sell You (Just needs a case and Hard Drive) IT will run Trisquel Without any problems |
| 02:23.32 | Acos | I have too many computers right now :( |
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| 02:23.43 | dvs | Acos: netinstall just installs the full OS over a network. |
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| 02:24.13 | Acos | I hate that dvs since slow bandwitch. I would rather have OS with me in full ness |
| 02:24.27 | Acos | Connection here is slow. |
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| 02:24.41 | beepie | Acos, fullness is one word actually as in more-in-complete |
| 02:24.54 | Acos | :( |
| 02:25.02 | Acos | So true beepie |
| 02:25.25 | dvs | Acos: if the connection is slow then the netinst is better because it only downloads what you want. |
| 02:25.31 | jim | hmm? |
| 02:26.06 | Acos | The goal is to not have to donwload any packages and have the entire os ready to isntall |
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| 02:26.09 | awal1 | How to make Chromium delete all history when exiting it as Iceweasel does? |
| 02:26.46 | r6ku | awal1: incognito mode |
| 02:27.14 | r6ku | heh, trisquel seal of approval :p |
| 02:27.31 | beepie | netinst runs about 200 megs for the amd64 |
| 02:27.36 | beepie | (iso) |
| 02:27.40 | Acos | hmmmmmmmm |
| 02:27.46 | Acos | Well ya no idea |
| 02:27.54 | beepie | noticed there's a new release for 8.3 number days ago |
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| 02:28.03 | Acos | I clicked the other file |
| 02:28.16 | Acos | who keeps changing channel limit and why? |
| 02:28.30 | beepie | funny that the iso for i386/32-bit is more at 300+ megs |
| 02:28.37 | dvs | Acos: To prevent a join flood |
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| 02:29.05 | Acos | Ohhhh yes, security is important |
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| 02:29.34 | Acos | does apt-get list show all packages? |
| 02:29.42 | Acos | show all that I have installed |
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| 02:30.01 | dvs | no such command |
| 02:30.21 | beepie | !tell Acos about refcard |
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| 02:30.31 | awal1 | r6ku: the problem with chromium is that it only removes cookies in auto mode if that is enable in config, but not username, search history... even if chromium is configured to no remember passwords. But I havent tried incognito mode, later I try it and see if it helps. |
| 02:30.44 | beepie | Acos, dpkg -l , shows installed packages |
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| 02:31.07 | LambdaComplex | I thought the problem with chromium was google |
| 02:31.19 | beepie | Acos, apt-cache search, searches all package descriptions -- from things defined in the apt source/repos |
| 02:31.38 | Acos | 2 hours left for this distro....wow |
| 02:31.41 | awal1 | iceweasel removes absolutely all the history if configured to do that when exiting the app. I no understand why chromium havent that feature |
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| 02:32.10 | beepie | Acos, maybe ther's a closer debian mirror in your country |
| 02:32.29 | Acos | its goign at 100KB/s |
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| 02:33.05 | dvs | Acos: two hours for what? |
| 02:33.06 | beepie | Acos, is your net connection always that slow? |
| 02:33.30 | Acos | Oh wow now it says 15 min left |
| 02:33.37 | awal1 | LambdaComplex, chromium is a great browser anyway, but I believe i don't use it for very personal stuff |
| 02:33.42 | Acos | Google chrome cant be trusted haha |
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| 02:35.43 | Acos | wow ya cssh doesnt even run anymore |
| 02:35.48 | Acos | it fails at line 8 |
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| 02:36.02 | Acos | I botched my perl |
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| 02:39.06 | Acos | ? |
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| 02:39.16 | Acos | where are .se websites located? |
| 02:39.24 | dvs | !.se |
| 02:39.25 | dpkg | from memory, .se is Sweden |
| 02:39.41 | Acos | thats why my downlaod is going so slow |
| 02:39.56 | Acos | Debian page used this mirror |
| 02:41.16 | Acos | !.tv |
| 02:41.26 | Acos | !.uk |
| 02:41.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, .uk is United Kingdom |
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| 03:00.33 | linuxsocist | I have a question, if I run "sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-utils" will that effect /var/www and its contents? |
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| 03:03.46 | MCMic | Hello, Iâm looking for an hexadecimal editor that allows me to chose the number of columns and to set an offset as start of displayed info. The file I want to edit is organized by blocks of 6 bytes so that would make everything easier. |
| 03:04.05 | MCMic | I tried a few of them but they donât have display options |
| 03:06.00 | ryouma | MCMic: maybe try hexl-mode in emacs. you can set hexl-bits which is 16 by default. untested. |
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| 03:10.09 | notmentor | linuxsocist, You can list the files in a package with dpkg -L. Packages shouldn't delete/modify files in /var when they are installed/purged, but if they do, they do so from the package scripts, which are installed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 03:10.16 | notmentor | if you want to make sure |
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| 03:21.26 | awal1 | Some years ago i tried opensuse and zypper have the feature making upgrades not being aborted if suse servers are temporally unavailable / internet connection lost; zypper still running/trying to connect/reconnect indefinitely until servers are reached /internet connection is restablished or canceled (cancel zypper process). Does dpkg/aptitude/aptitude have that feature too/is it possible to configure them for proceed like zypper? |
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| 03:21.43 | linuxsocist | notmentor I'm guessing apache2.list is what I'm looking for? |
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| 03:22.49 | awal1 | dpkg/aptitude/apt ^ |
| 03:23.33 | awal1 | I meant zypper downloads ^ |
| 03:23.52 | beepie | awal1, apt first downloads all the packages, then applies what is downloaded with the upgrades |
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| 03:25.39 | awal1 | beepie, yeah, obvious. But the difference with zypper is that zypper doesn't cancel download process if servers not available/internet connection lost; it trys to reconnect and download again when server is available again or internet connection restablished, thats what I meant |
| 03:26.32 | beepie | there's a possible upgrade deamon, but I never used it.. maybe you can look into that |
| 03:27.19 | beepie | there's one for security upgrades ( unattended-upgrades ), maybe there's something like it with packagekit |
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| 03:28.45 | awal1 | hm, I know about that, yeah, but I'm talking about apt/aptitude executed manually, Mr beepie ;) |
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| 03:29.13 | beepie | awal1, there are packagekit command tools |
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| 03:32.29 | awal1 | I have packagekit/packagekit-tools installed (by debian default I guess, I guess) but never used them; I dont find man's of them |
| 03:32.47 | awal1 | debian default install ^ |
| 03:33.24 | awal1 | I usually use apt/aptitude |
| 03:34.15 | beepie | if your net connection is that bad, then that's why CD isoz are distributed |
| 03:34.18 | beepie | :) |
| 03:35.38 | notmentor | linuxsocist, No, that the list of files |
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| 03:39.24 | linuxsocist | notmemtor ok I think I see now apache2.postrm looks like one of them. |
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| 04:10.57 | aarcane | I'm running debian 7, and I'm getting... All sorts of strange errors from dpkg and aptitude. I got no idea what's wrong, or where to start, but I know this started after I built some packages with checkinstall... I've since had to (don't ask why, long story) delete some files manually to get reboot working, and as such, have a kernel package installed but missing, a kernel package that says it's installed but isn't |
| 04:10.57 | aarcane | there, and a kernel that insofar as I'm aware is working fine, but doesn't have the drivers I need (lio was updated in 3.4 and again in 3.9. I'm running 3.2...) |
| 04:11.38 | aarcane | I'm currently getting errors on the man-db package. |
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| 04:11.51 | aarcane | among many others.. at a loss what to try or what output to provide to get help. |
| 04:13.13 | tweakism | it'd help to know what you deleted, and what specific error messages you're getting |
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| 04:16.19 | aarcane | I get error messages trying to install new kernel images, or just running aptitude update (and selecting y) or running dpkg --configure -a. They're all different. Which do you want? Also, the files I deleted were the /boot/initrd and /boot/vmlinuz files for the old kernel, as well as the /lib/modules folder for it. Nothing else from that package was deleted. (I know that's why the kernel is missing, this is on purpose. |
| 04:16.19 | aarcane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:17.02 | tweakism | all of them, there's no way to help you at all w/o error messages. upload them to a pastebin rather than pasting here. |
| 04:17.14 | tweakism | why didn't you just remove the kernel package instead of manually removing parts of it? |
| 04:17.35 | aarcane | refused to uninstall with error messages. Tried three times. |
| 04:17.36 | tweakism | not that that should have really broken anything. |
| 04:17.48 | tweakism | it would probably have been better to understand the error message. |
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| 04:20.42 | aarcane | alright. I ran all the offending commands that I recall, and have pasted the output |
| 04:20.42 | aarcane | http://paste.debian.net/379255/ |
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| 04:23.27 | tweakism | you said even 'aptitude update' gave errors? |
| 04:24.17 | tweakism | and, did you delete anything in /etc/apt or anything like that? |
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| 04:26.04 | atralheaven | hi, what is X11 forwarding? is it different from vnc? thanks |
| 04:26.35 | themill | aarcane: I'd try 'aptitude download linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64' and then 'dpkg -i linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64*deb' |
| 04:26.55 | tweakism | atralheaven: it's a feature of SSH, that if you have an X server running on both the local and remote machine, you can easily connect to the remote machine via ssh, and then launch X clients that run remotely but display locally. |
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| 04:27.25 | tweakism | themill: it's still going to want to finish installing man-db and irqbalance first |
| 04:27.30 | tweakism | he'll have to get those sorted |
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| 04:28.10 | tweakism | I'd try, dpkg-reconfigure irqbalance man-db |
| 04:28.21 | tweakism | and see if you answered some questions with blank strings, that actually need values |
| 04:28.38 | themill | that wouldn't lead to the errors |
| 04:29.25 | tweakism | fair enough, it was just a guess |
| 04:29.30 | tweakism | but since you seem to know what would, what would? |
| 04:29.31 | aarcane | aptitude update is fine, sorry. it's aptitude upgrade |
| 04:29.37 | themill | aarcane: does /var/cache/debconf exist? |
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| 04:29.55 | aarcane | one sec while I pastebin some more output |
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| 04:31.44 | aarcane | http://paste.debian.net/379257/ |
| 04:31.50 | aarcane | and no, no it doesn't. |
| 04:32.46 | themill | aarcane: is /var/cache/debconf missing intentional? (did you remove it, is /var/cache a tmpfs or something) |
| 04:33.19 | aarcane | themill, it is not intentional. I have no idea why it's missing. I never knew it was missing before now. |
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| 04:34.48 | tweakism | it may be sufficient to just re-create the /var/cache/debconf directory? |
| 04:36.06 | themill | yes, most likely |
| 04:38.22 | aarcane | How do I recreate it? mkdir -p? what mode? Or do I have to regenerate it somehow? |
| 04:38.43 | tweakism | sudo mkdir /var/cache/debconf; sudo chmod 755 /var/cache/debconf |
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| 04:39.43 | tweakism | I think it will regenerate contents on-the-fly, afterward, but you've lost any custom/non-default answers you've given to debconf questions in the past |
| 04:39.47 | LambdaComplex | go 17 |
| 04:39.51 | LambdaComplex | oops |
| 04:40.22 | themill | debconf scripts always grab the data from the current config files not from the debconf store anyway |
| 04:40.33 | aarcane | tweakism, alright. I'll figure that out from here. It seems to at least not be terribly broken, and working now. |
| 04:41.31 | tweakism | themill: that makes sense, since /var/cache isn't an appropriate place for irreplacable data |
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| 04:42.03 | themill | yep; debconf is not a registry |
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| 04:48.34 | materia | I think this book is awesome |
| 04:48.43 | materia | http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Life-Starter-Security-Penetration/dp/149932023X |
| 04:48.47 | materia | it not promoting or anything |
| 04:48.56 | materia | i think i really enjoyed this book |
| 04:48.59 | materia | and i had to share it |
| 04:49.04 | materia | http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Life-Starter-Security-Penetration/dp/149932023X |
| 04:49.05 | elky | you've been spamming this in lots of channels |
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| 04:49.15 | materia | spamming? |
| 04:49.18 | elky | yes |
| 04:49.19 | materia | what the hell? |
| 04:49.20 | materia | #python |
| 04:49.22 | materia | http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Life-Starter-Security-Penetration/dp/149932023X |
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| 04:49.28 | materia | GREAT BOOK |
| 04:49.32 | tweakism | omfg |
| 04:49.32 | materia | #python |
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| 04:53.34 | aarcane | Okay, so now I've got the new kernel installed, and now I can see the kernel image and potentially boot it (I haven't tried yet. I need to finish building kernel modules). When building the openvswitch module, I get the following error, and can passte the full log if needed: configure: error: Linux kernel source in /lib/modules/3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/build is not configured |
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| 04:54.39 | tweakism | You need to read some docs on compiling a custom kernel in debian, if that's your goal |
| 04:55.03 | tweakism | alternatively, if you just want to compile modules for a provided kernel, you want to install the -headers package, not the -source one |
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| 04:56.33 | themill | aarcane: have you got the relevant -headers and -kbuild packages installed |
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| 04:58.39 | aarcane | -headers and -kbuild are both installed. Other kernel modules did build just fine with dkms |
| 04:58.42 | aarcane | http://paste.debian.net/379259/ |
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| 05:08.08 | awal1 | Network-manager & network-manager-gnome removed, wicd installed, and now my internet connection level is all the time above 80% |
| 05:08.27 | awal1 | network-manager always under 60% :P |
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| 05:09.51 | awal1 | I played with both packs several times and I always had better percentage connection when using wicd |
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| 05:10.51 | hololi | #debian |
| 05:10.55 | hololi | http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Life-Starter-Security-Penetration/dp/149932023X |
| 05:10.56 | awal1 | I have read somewhere that wicd performes better with wifi |
| 05:10.56 | hololi | http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Life-Starter-Security-Penetration/dp/149932023X |
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| 05:13.26 | rww | oh nice, sigyn's in here. was just banning them in #ubuntu but a kline is fine too :3 |
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| 05:15.11 | LambdaComplex | rww: tfw your channel isn't special :( |
| 05:15.29 | rww | LambdaComplex: nah, we opted out of idoru (as she was known at the time) for political reasons :) |
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| 05:15.44 | LambdaComplex | rww: idoru? |
| 05:15.52 | otterer | The bot before sigyn |
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| 05:16.07 | LambdaComplex | ah |
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| 05:27.19 | jhl__ | At the moment, my installation only has security.debian.org in sources.list. If I want a broader selection of free packages, which repo(s) should I add? packages.debian.org? |
| 05:27.50 | notmentor | jhl__, Any mirror of the whole debian archive |
| 05:27.59 | notmentor | jhl__, security only has security update packages |
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| 05:28.41 | jhl__ | notmentor: Makes sense. Is there a canonical mirror to use? |
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| 05:29.31 | tweakism | there's one that auto-redirs to a mirror |
| 05:29.40 | tweakism | or I guess you can use http.us.debian.org |
| 05:30.06 | jhl__ | Thanks. |
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| 05:30.55 | notmentor | jhl__, There may be a mirror near you |
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| 05:31.17 | tweakism | http://paste.debian.net/plain/379261 <-- if you're using Jesse, this should be pretty canonical |
| 05:31.34 | tweakism | if you want non-free and contrib, replace every instance of "main" with "main contrib non-free" |
| 05:32.57 | jhl__ | tweakism: Thanks. I'm using stretch, so just replace jessie with stretch? |
| 05:33.02 | tweakism | yeah |
| 05:33.12 | jhl__ | Great. |
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| 05:57.06 | Makyuu | That was lovely... Trying to help a friend get Jessie installed, run into the /strangest/ things when telling the system to boot from the DVD... |
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| 05:57.29 | Makyuu | ... Turns out she burned the ISO to the disc as a regular image, so the system wasn't booting the DVD at all. |
| 05:57.56 | Makyuu | The joys of doing this with text-only communication... |
| 05:58.03 | Makyuu | regular file* |
| 05:58.13 | Makyuu | Hurr, I have a headache now. |
| 05:58.14 | beepie | Makyuu, http://www.imgburn.com/ |
| 05:58.25 | Makyuu | Yes, I'm aware of imgburn. |
| 05:59.04 | Makyuu | She, however, was using another program already, and had failed to mention that she had no clue what a disc image is. |
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| 05:59.09 | beepie | Makyuu, that's an easy app, tell her to try this |
| 05:59.42 | beepie | Makyuu, imgburn will say "image" to disc, .. right on the start .. so tell her to use that.. it's just like a 5 megabyte app. |
| 05:59.47 | Makyuu | It already got settled and she's rebooting already. |
| 06:00.03 | Makyuu | Yes, I know, beepie. I've used imgburn before. |
| 06:00.14 | beepie | so what's the issue then? |
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| 06:00.33 | beepie | if you're speaking on her behalf i think that's hard to communicate, she should be on irc telling the problems :) |
| 06:00.56 | Makyuu | I'm sharing my pain, not speaking on her behalf. |
| 06:02.06 | beepie | Makyuu, you're talking through your hands I suppose.. |
| 06:02.15 | beepie | beeps |
| 06:02.17 | Makyuu | beepie, what? |
| 06:02.22 | beepie | Makyuu, yep |
| 06:02.27 | beepie | :) |
| 06:02.53 | beepie | so there is no problem!.. you just wanted to poke fun at your girl, .. hmm interesting.. |
| 06:03.00 | Makyuu | ...? |
| 06:03.08 | Makyuu | I'm /female/, thanks. |
| 06:03.18 | Makyuu | Lovely assumption there, though. |
| 06:03.38 | beepie | so you always speak about yourself in third-person? that's cartoonish. |
| 06:03.44 | beepie | tehe |
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| 06:05.18 | beepie | cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 06:05.38 | beepie | she's going to get a lot of missing firmware hell.. :) |
| 06:05.44 | beepie | anyways good luck with that |
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| 06:06.08 | beepie | notes 8.3 iso images recently released |
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| 06:07.23 | jhl__ | Clearly, it's been a while for me: is apt full-upgrade the equivalent to apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 06:07.59 | tweakism | aptitude full-upgrade is apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 06:08.06 | beepie | jhl__, i never heard of full-upgrade |
| 06:08.24 | tweakism | so I assume so. also based on `apt` help output it looks like it |
| 06:08.27 | beepie | jhl__, there's "upgrade" and dist-upgrade, to my knowledge you have to apply both to upgrade fully |
| 06:08.38 | tweakism | beepie: well, you're wrong |
| 06:08.53 | beepie | tweakism, i could be, but here I've been using debian for quite some time. |
| 06:08.58 | beepie | tweakism, dist-upgrade is insufficient |
| 06:09.11 | tweakism | well, whatever you say about your experience, but that's incorrect. |
| 06:09.12 | beepie | tweakism, upgrade in cases I've used debian here, has to be applied after dist-upgrade.. |
| 06:09.15 | grawity | perhaps then you were right 5 years ago or so |
| 06:09.27 | beepie | tweakism, there is no "full-upgrade" to apt. rtfm :) |
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| 06:09.34 | beepie | tweakism, there's only "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" |
| 06:09.43 | tweakism | beepie: as I said, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade", just rtfm before you argue |
| 06:09.45 | beepie | tweakism, show me where you see "full-upgrade" ? |
| 06:09.47 | grawity | beepie: http://i.imgur.com/MaNQEY5.png |
| 06:09.51 | grawity | beepie: at the bottom! |
| 06:10.05 | grawity | beepie: it's not apt-get and it's not aptitude, it's a new tool |
| 06:10.16 | beepie | for aptitude? oh well possibly, but io don't think he was referring to aptitude.. i don't use that tool |
| 06:10.25 | grawity | that's not aptitude, that's apt |
| 06:10.32 | tweakism | if you don't know the answer to a question, just don't answer beepie. |
| 06:10.35 | Makyuu | I'm guessing beepie's the channel troll. |
| 06:10.36 | tweakism | he was asking about apt. |
| 06:10.40 | tweakism | looks that way. |
| 06:10.49 | beepie | "<jhl__> Clearly, it's been a while for me: is apt full-upgrade the equivalent to apt-get dist-upgrade?" |
| 06:10.59 | beepie | to me it looks like he wants an answer to "apt-get" |
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| 06:11.06 | tweakism | then you just can't read. |
| 06:11.17 | beepie | ok. |
| 06:11.30 | beepie | so I can't read that he didn't write "apt-get dist-upgrade". my bad. :) |
| 06:11.33 | beepie | lol |
| 06:12.30 | tweakism | so, a related question: how come apt has been added? what use-case does it cover that apt-get and aptitude don't? |
| 06:12.34 | tweakism | fewer deps, maybe? |
| 06:12.35 | beepie | jhl__, here I know "apt-get dist-upgrade" doesn't do a full upgrade. an "apt-get upgrade" would also be needed. Here I never use "apt". |
| 06:12.40 | beepie | jhl__, I just go by what I know.. |
| 06:13.22 | tweakism | from man 8 apt-get, "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies ..." |
| 06:13.22 | beepie | tweakism, he's not even asking about aptitude. |
| 06:13.29 | beepie | tweakism, where in the question is he asking about it? |
| 06:13.30 | tweakism | beepie: no, now I am |
| 06:13.31 | tweakism | just go away |
| 06:13.34 | tweakism | I'm going to ignore you |
| 06:13.40 | beepie | tweakism, well you're not referring to his question. |
| 06:13.44 | beepie | tweakism, read it properly. |
| 06:13.48 | tweakism | no, I'm asking one of my own |
| 06:14.00 | jhl__ | Actually, that brings up another question for me: what is the difference between apt and aptitude? |
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| 06:14.03 | beepie | tweakism, well you're not helping anyone. You're here trolling. Maybe you should leave. |
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| 06:14.57 | beepie | jhl__, you can pm me, and I can see how I can help you. Apparently there are kids online here trolling. |
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| 06:15.29 | tweakism | jhl__: they're do pretty much the same thing, aptitude has some extra/advanced/improved functionality these days apt-get does the stuff that I originally started using aptitude for. except that aptitude gives multiple options for how to resolve conflicting dependencies, so it can be a nice quick way to do stuff that would confuse apt-get / require multiple steps with apt-get |
| 06:15.43 | beepie | Makyuu, apparently communicating to solving a problem through a second person is problematic on irc. I explained that to you. |
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| 06:16.52 | jhl__ | Thanks. Since apt comes standard, I'll just stick with that for now and hope I don't get myself into a pickle. |
| 06:17.03 | beepie | tweakism, that still does not answer his question. He's asking about the difference between apt and aptitutde. |
| 06:17.09 | beepie | ignores tweakism |
| 06:17.30 | tweakism | themill: can you do something about this beepie troll? |
| 06:17.45 | themill | it'd be great if you both stopped winding each other up |
| 06:17.50 | tweakism | oh, ffs |
| 06:17.51 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:17.58 | beepie | darxmurf, hi |
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| 06:33.20 | Jay2k1 | morning. anyone else had the apache graceful restart done by logrotate failed this morning? |
| 06:33.25 | n0t | Anybody have a replacement for grsecurity now that they are paid patches only? |
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| 06:41.54 | notmentor | Jay2k1, It's unlikely |
| 06:42.03 | notmentor | Jay2k1, What do your logs say? |
| 06:42.17 | Jay2k1 | i've had it on a couple machines, all debian 6.0.10 as it seems |
| 06:42.21 | Jay2k1 | [Tue Feb 09 06:27:49 2016] [notice] Graceful restart requested, doing restart |
| 06:42.21 | Jay2k1 | apache2: Syntax error on line 203 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /lib/libm.so.6: symbol __strtold_nan, version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 06:42.42 | Jay2k1 | manually starting apache worked though |
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| 06:47.06 | Jay2k1 | i can see some libc and libc6 packages have been updated yesterday |
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| 06:57.43 | aarcane | So uh.. I'm contemplating upgrading to debian jessie from wheezy.. I've got one issue though. I can't do it without having openvswitch available. Most of the packages seem to be there, but some important ones, like openvswitch-datapath-* seem to be missing. |
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| 06:58.17 | aarcane | What's the deal? Are they gone? Do they not exist anymore? |
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| 07:01.05 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 07:01.18 | tite12345 | How can I change my mirror? |
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| 07:03.15 | grepper | aarcane: the changelog for openvswitch says: Removed datapath packages because Linux 3.16 has adequate built-in |
| 07:03.37 | grepper | support. metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/o/openvswitch/openvswitch_2.3.0+git20140819-3_changelog |
| 07:03.57 | skr | tite12345, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:03.58 | aarcane | grepper, I don't need fancy things like changelogs often. Can you tell me how to view that changelog on a new package from the CLi so that I might be able to do it in the fuure? |
| 07:04.15 | grawity | `apt-get changelog <pkg>`, no? |
| 07:04.29 | angell | hello people. I'm using debian 7, a bit of newb. I'm configuring a VPS, got basic security, and finished installing a lampstack. I already finished my website. The question is, how would I upload my files? on a shared hosting I usually used filezilla. What should I use here? |
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| 07:04.51 | grawity | angell: if you have SSH available, then you also have SFTP |
| 07:05.12 | angell | grawity: yes. How do I find my sftp details? |
| 07:05.20 | grawity | those are exactly the same as your SSH "details" |
| 07:05.31 | angell | grawity: gotcha ;) |
| 07:05.33 | grawity | it literally runs over SSH |
| 07:05.42 | grawity | filezilla, gnome, kde, winscp have SFTP support |
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| 07:06.09 | aarcane | grawity, grepper: Thank you both, very much~ |
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| 07:06.47 | tite12345 | Is this applicable to me |
| 07:06.56 | tite12345 | It's Debian 9? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 07:07.01 | tite12345 | Why is it Debian 9? |
| 07:07.09 | tite12345 | I'm using Debian 8.3 |
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| 07:08.31 | angell | grawity: hmm... I was able to log in... but permission is denied everytime I try to upload a file |
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| 07:09.23 | grawity | well give yourself permissions to the directory |
| 07:09.29 | grawity | with the usual chown/chmod/setfacl |
| 07:10.13 | angell | grawity: how? |
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| 07:15.50 | mniip | angell, man chown/man chmod/man setfacl |
| 07:16.12 | angell | mniip: I understand now... I have to read up on the web as I go |
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| 07:17.27 | angell | OMG THIS VPS IS REALLLLLYYYYY FASTTTT |
| 07:17.51 | kj4 | angell: where is it? |
| 07:17.56 | angell | seattle |
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| 07:18.05 | kj4 | angell: with what co ? |
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| 07:18.10 | angell | hostwinds |
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| 07:18.24 | kj4 | angell: cool, congrats. |
| 07:18.33 | angell | kj4: thanks! |
| 07:18.37 | angell | kj4: unfortunately it isn't mine |
| 07:18.43 | angell | kj4: belongs to a client |
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| 07:21.22 | kj4 | angell: checked out their site, looks cool, good price for 'fully managed' |
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| 07:21.59 | kj4 | angell: i got with digital ocean, cuz i don't need managed. I can see why that would be desirable, though |
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| 07:22.44 | angell | kj4: what is fully managed? |
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| 07:23.48 | angell | kj4: as far as I know, the service they hired has no managing besides the resource allocation |
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| 07:24.09 | kj4 | angell: it varies, basically, you can open a ticket for base OS issues, probably. |
| 07:24.22 | angell | kj4: oh |
| 07:24.29 | kj4 | another big plus: hostwinds is not owned by EIG |
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| 07:28.57 | kj4 | angell: do check out DO though, they are a good deal if you know what you are doing (installs, backups, etc) https://m.do.co/c/f733a90756d7 |
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| 07:31.15 | tweakism | I did a comparison of the lowest-cost cloud VM providers recently, including DO, and ended up choosing Vultr |
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| 07:31.49 | tweakism | mainly because their $5/mo package gives you 768MB RAM instead of 512MB, but there were some other things I liked better also |
| 07:32.11 | tweakism | oh and you can upload/use custom ISO's of your choice, was the other big one over DO |
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| 07:37.25 | Donitzo | can I name a process when I run it in the background by appending & to the end of the command? |
| 07:37.52 | Donitzo | because without a name it apparently uses absolute paths in the process name making it difficult to kill |
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| 07:38.39 | themill | The shell will give it a job number like %1; check the output of 'jobs' |
| 07:38.55 | Donitzo | The problem is that I need to kill it in another script |
| 07:39.01 | Donitzo | otherwise I would save the pid |
| 07:39.10 | tweakism | then you should record the- exactly, the pid |
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| 07:39.42 | Donitzo | well really it's the same script |
| 07:39.46 | Donitzo | but it's being executed again |
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| 07:42.57 | angell | kj4: thanks =) |
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| 07:46.08 | tite12345 | Hi gus |
| 07:46.13 | tite12345 | guys* |
| 07:46.28 | tite12345 | How do I permanently disable touchpad? |
| 07:46.37 | tite12345 | It goes back whenever I unplug the mouse. |
| 07:46.51 | tite12345 | I mean it automatically turns on again when I unplug the mouse |
| 07:47.08 | evilman_work | tite12345: read the udev rules manual. |
| 07:47.21 | tite12345 | evilman_work: Where is that? |
| 07:47.24 | tite12345 | Sorry newbie here |
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| 07:48.14 | evilman_work | tite12345: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 07:48.32 | kj4 | angell: yw |
| 07:49.17 | evilman_work | tite12345: or you can chose the other way - http://superuser.com/questions/606630/how-to-ignore-a-usb-device-in-udev |
| 07:49.21 | well_laid_lawn | tite12345: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Completely_disabling_Touchpad might be easier |
| 07:49.44 | tite12345 | Hold on |
| 07:49.48 | tite12345 | Looking them up |
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| 07:50.07 | well_laid_lawn | I typed tit then hit tab to get tite12345 |
| 07:50.21 | tite12345 | well_laid_lawn: Hahaha |
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| 07:50.34 | well_laid_lawn | :) |
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| 07:51.19 | tite12345 | Woah, look what's hot now in Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/ |
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| 07:52.23 | tite12345 | Nah |
| 07:52.34 | tite12345 | I think I'll actually just use the touchpad. |
| 07:52.55 | tite12345 | The cursor is much more stable with the touchpad than the mouse haha |
| 07:53.17 | tite12345 | Thanks a lot anyway guys! |
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| 07:53.39 | Donitzo | so I can use exec -a to name my process, but is it possible to route the output of the process itself to the same terminal which executed exec? |
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| 07:54.21 | well_laid_lawn | isn't the process backgrounded ? |
| 07:54.40 | Donitzo | yes. But when I run this django server using ... & it still shows me the output from the server |
| 07:54.43 | Donitzo | in the same terminal |
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| 07:54.55 | well_laid_lawn | yep |
| 07:55.06 | notmentor | Donitzo, Using file redirection |
| 07:55.13 | well_laid_lawn | I don't think exec will change that |
| 07:55.31 | Donitzo | when I used exec I didn't get the same output so I assumed it did |
| 07:55.36 | Donitzo | I got the pid though |
| 07:56.45 | civillian | Hi all, what's a good way to share my current desktop session over, say, VNC? |
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| 08:05.27 | civillian | x11vnc looks like the way to go |
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| 08:07.16 | well_laid_lawn | civillian: afaik it's the only one that'll let you share the current desktop |
| 08:07.20 | well_laid_lawn | see --root |
| 08:07.38 | civillian | well_laid_lawn: great, thanks |
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| 08:10.18 | hanshenrik_ | x11vnc has its fair share of problems - most notably with passwords. thus i have a script on my website wich will activate x11vnc with a random password temporarily on demand :p |
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| 08:11.27 | hanshenrik_ | with its ... 7 chars max? password length, no form of password bruteforce / dictionary defences, no encryption, |
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| 08:11.46 | hanshenrik_ | i don't recommend doing -forever |
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| 08:12.30 | qis | Hi! How can I install libc++ on wheezy? I get the following conflicts: https://paste.debian.net/379271/ |
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| 08:13.09 | hanshenrik_ | "apt-get install g++" i guess |
| 08:13.45 | qis | hanshenrik_: No change. And I'm planning to use it with clang-3.5 |
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| 08:15.03 | spiekey | Hello! |
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| 08:15.26 | spiekey | i keep getting such mails every morning when unattended upgrade ran: http://fpaste.org/320173/05692145/ |
| 08:15.34 | spiekey | how can i only get a mail on error? |
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| 08:28.20 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 08:29.29 | r6ku | hello |
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| 08:30.15 | Tachaikowsky | Hey guys - is it possible to use separate wifi-cards for host and virtual OS? I have one built in and one external wifi |
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| 08:33.52 | skr | Tachaikowsky, yes, use usb passthrough |
| 08:34.34 | LXO3 | hi everyone. could someone here please make the test of accessing www.olx.pt (the Portuguese equivalent to "Craigslist") in order to confirm that it's no only in all the computers in my also that such site is not displaying properly?... |
| 08:34.48 | Tachaikowsky | skr - thank you |
| 08:34.53 | LXO3 | I get redirected to a https version, and it only seems to load the html part of the site |
| 08:35.32 | LXO3 | *all the computers in my house |
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| 08:36.06 | skr | LXO3, check ssl certificate. |
| 08:36.10 | LXO3 | I found there very very strange... since that, this is one of the most used websites in Portugal |
| 08:36.18 | grepper | qis: libc++1 ? |
| 08:36.23 | LXO3 | *find this |
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| 08:37.14 | LXO3 | hi, skr. I've already checked that. what should I do next? |
| 08:38.12 | LXO3 | ah... whatever. problem solved |
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| 08:38.21 | Tachaikowsky | skr - does USB passthru work well with VirtualBox |
| 08:38.33 | skr | yes |
| 08:38.37 | LXO3 | after an hour of not functioning well, the site is no OK |
| 08:38.52 | LXO3 | *now |
| 08:38.54 | skr | lxo3, it redirects to https here |
| 08:39.21 | qis | grepper: Not on wheezy. |
| 08:39.28 | qis | I wish my customers would upgrade. |
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| 08:39.41 | qis | Apparently it's cheaper to run an outdated OS and deal with the aftermath. |
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| 08:39.48 | qis | Or let your successors deal with it. XD |
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| 08:40.57 | LXO3 | skr, yes, it is still (now, since today) doing that here, also. I've checked my browsing history, and they weren't doing this before. it looks like they have just made the transition, then. but not without problems. since that, the problem I had would happen on evey computer in my house, not matter what OS I used |
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| 08:41.24 | notmentor | qis, Software is always an ongoing concern; no matter what people say about releases, time, money, etc. Software is always on ongoing concern. |
| 08:41.59 | LXO3 | it was just traditional Portuguese incompetence, of launching a new site, without it operating properly, then... |
| 08:42.39 | LXO3 | I was finding it very very strange for such an incompetence to manifestate itself on such an important website, but it looks like it really did... |
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| 08:43.02 | LXO3 | thank you very much for your help, skr |
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| 08:43.53 | Tachaikowsky | skr - another question - I purchased a TP link TL-WN823N external wifi card, it has an atheros chipset and was highly recommended - but when I connect to my 'very old system' - the wifi reception is weaker on that than the built in wireless card |
| 08:44.01 | Tachaikowsky | skr - another question - I purchased a TP link TL-WN823N external wifi card, it has an atheros chipset and was highly recommended - but when I connect to my 'very old system' - the wifi reception is weaker on that than the built in wireless card on my laptop |
| 08:45.10 | notmentor | Tachaikowsky, By reported signal strength, or actual connectivity? |
| 08:45.23 | Tachaikowsky | notmentor, reported signal strength |
| 08:45.43 | skr | LXO3, perhaps you should wait a few hours |
| 08:45.47 | notmentor | Tachaikowsky, There's a significant probability that's utterly meaningless |
| 08:46.08 | skr | Tachaikowsky, atheros is very good, but in this case your laptop has a better antenna |
| 08:46.17 | Tachaikowsky | notmentor, thank you :) |
| 08:46.20 | notmentor | Tachaikowsky, Or at least, not comparable between hardware |
| 08:46.38 | notmentor | Tachaikowsky, You should check and confirm. |
| 08:46.39 | tweakism | yeah, RSSI from consumer wlan cards isn't really on any real scale, can't compare between different cards |
| 08:47.18 | Tachaikowsky | skr - I shud have purchased a wifi card that has an antenna too, eh? |
| 08:47.35 | notmentor | There's an arbitrary "signal strength" that arises somewhere which is even more meaningless |
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| 08:49.05 | skr | Tachaikowsky, if the connection is ok (you are browsing) forget the numbers. |
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| 08:49.42 | Tachaikowsky | skr - ok thank you |
| 08:49.44 | allizom | IIRC Virtualbox only supports USB 1.1 passthrough without the proprietary addons |
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| 08:50.17 | Tachaikowsky | skr - I will test it on my debian laptop and report back :) |
| 08:50.29 | Tachaikowsky | skr - any drivers I need to be instaling? |
| 08:50.32 | skr | allizom, no, starting 4.0 there is only one edition. additions are on a extension pack |
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| 08:50.41 | Tachaikowsky | because I am presently using the built in intel card |
| 08:50.46 | skr | Tachaikowsky, no |
| 08:50.57 | Tachaikowsky | skr - so just connect and boot up? |
| 08:51.01 | skr | yup |
| 08:51.07 | LXO3 | skr, hello again. thanks. maybe not all their servers had been updated yet. but it looks like it's working OK, now. I have an urgent business there, so I'll have to take the risk. thank you for your help, again. take care. |
| 08:51.35 | Tachaikowsky | skr - allrighty then i will work on that |
| 08:51.53 | allizom | skr: yep, I meant the extension pack |
| 08:52.13 | allizom | without it it's limited to 1.1 |
| 08:52.44 | skr | allizom, sorry i misread your advice |
| 08:53.21 | allizom | https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#idp46730490006208 see the second green note |
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| 08:56.07 | Tachaikowsky | skr - I connected the wifi card, booted back - not detected |
| 08:56.13 | Tachaikowsky | skr - even did lspci - not listed |
| 08:56.44 | skr | Tachaikowsky, lsusb |
| 08:57.06 | Tachaikowsky | ahhh yes, it did |
| 08:58.05 | Tachaikowsky | skr - so I need to turn off internal card and try? |
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| 08:59.02 | skr | Tachaikowsky, what are you trying to do exactly |
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| 08:59.22 | Tachaikowsky | skr - I want to stop using my built in wifi card, and try external to see performance - for now |
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| 08:59.54 | Acos | good luck folks |
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| 09:00.02 | skr | are you using networkmanager? disconnect from the intel and connect using the other card |
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| 09:00.39 | user434 | how can I install the newest chrome next to my older one in debian 8.2 |
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| 09:02.01 | user434 | apt-cache policy chromedriver chromium shows Installiert: 47.0.2526.80-1~deb8u1 Installationskandidat: 48.0.2564.82-1~deb8u1 |
| 09:02.30 | user434 | now I want dto install 48.0.2564.82-1~deb8u1 parallel to be able to work with both |
| 09:03.05 | themill | you can only have one version of any package installed |
| 09:03.26 | user434 | themill: ok, thans |
| 09:03.30 | user434 | themill: ok, thanks |
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| 09:09.05 | rhel | anyone here? |
| 09:09.12 | tweakism | always. |
| 09:09.33 | rhel | I think I've done something wrong with my HDD |
| 09:09.35 | Tachaikowsky | skr - anyway to get the device name of USB wifi card |
| 09:09.37 | rhel | It's not showing now. |
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| 09:15.04 | nap | hi. I'm having some network trouble on my home server. It worked fine till yesterday. Now if I configure eth0 with a static IP it cannot be pinged or ping (even the router). If I configure it for DHCP it all works fine. Can somebody help with the troubleshoot? |
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| 09:21.34 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/8mN3 |
| 09:21.41 | isthisreallife | how to fix it? |
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| 09:22.37 | boodie | Hi (jessie): I have a home network where my debian box shares a printer via cups. SInce yesterday, strangely, my win7 laptop can't see the linux server nor access the cups device ... as far as I know, the only thing I know has changted, I updated the latest packages with aptitude; |
| 09:22.41 | tweakism | isthisreallife: sidebar: are you using pip install as root? you really should not do that. |
| 09:22.55 | isthisreallife | yy no |
| 09:22.57 | markybob | isthisreallife, you need to install libgnutls28-dev |
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| 09:23.12 | themill | or just install the python-pycurl package |
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| 09:24.03 | isthisreallife | markybob thank you so much |
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| 09:29.57 | psopacua | Hi all, i have used "cvt 1920x1200" and the output is ""1920x1200_60.00" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -hsync +vsync" after that i did "xrandr --newmode "1920x1200" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -Hsync +Vsync" and after that i did "xrandr --addmode DFP2 "1920x1200"" but then i am getting "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)", Videocard: R7 240, Monitor DELL U2711B, Cable: DVI Dual-link |
| 09:30.02 | FeignInt | @boodie , I assume you have restarted networking/cups on the printer server..? also how about restarting the router (wifi ? ) |
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| 09:34.06 | boodie | FeignInt: hmmm, no ; how do I restart cups? |
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| 09:34.13 | Ange7 | hey all |
| 09:34.25 | Ange7 | someone know how to purge repository with duplicity ? |
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| 09:35.00 | FeignInt | @boodie , sudo service cups restart |
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| 09:37.44 | p0rt | Hey |
| 09:38.02 | p0rt | I want to make conky work with i3bar |
| 09:38.13 | p0rt | so I can see what mocp song is paying at the moment |
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| 09:38.32 | p0rt | but I want it to show only when mocp is running |
| 09:38.49 | p0rt | How can I do it? |
| 09:40.25 | p0rt | this is my actual conkyrc http://pastie.org/10714538 |
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| 09:47.11 | kulyzu | i have a problem with the man page |
| 09:47.21 | kulyzu | i can't go up nor search |
| 09:47.29 | notmentor | kulyzu, Install less |
| 09:47.31 | kulyzu | it only goes down, any hints? |
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| 09:47.46 | FeignInt | less is more that more ;) |
| 09:48.22 | kulyzu | less is already installed |
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| 09:49.49 | FeignInt | ok, if less is already installed.. as root < update-alternatives --config pager > and select less |
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| 09:52.39 | kulyzu | FeignInt, there is only options for more and pg, no option for |
| 09:52.46 | kulyzu | none of them work |
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| 09:55.02 | FeignInt | @kulyzu , are you certain less is isnstalled? try 'man -P less yourmanpage' |
| 09:55.38 | kulyzu | less is already the newest version (481-2). |
| 09:55.46 | kulyzu | from $ sudo apt-get install less |
| 09:56.04 | FeignInt | if less *is* installed, you could try forcing a reinstall with "sudo apt-get install --reinstall less" |
| 09:56.31 | kulyzu | FeignInt, the last command work :) |
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| 09:56.48 | kulyzu | i will create an alias for it if reinstalling less not work |
| 09:57.12 | FeignInt | :) |
| 09:57.20 | FeignInt | was just typing that |
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| 09:58.01 | kulyzu | FeignInt, thank you :) |
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| 09:58.11 | FeignInt | yw |
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| 10:03.51 | curatox | hey, not sure if it's the right place to ask, but as a rather inexperienced linux user I currently run into trouble regarding the "automake" package on my old squeeze based system. is there any way to update automake 1.11.1 to 1.11.2 on an old squeeze based system? the package manager only offers 1.11.1. |
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| 10:04.46 | no_gravity | Can you mount dropbox on debian without having to install the whole dropbox demon? |
| 10:05.34 | notmentor | no_gravity, That almost sounds like a query you should direct at DropBox |
| 10:06.22 | FeignInt | curatox, yes and then again no.. I guess the newer versions *might* be in backports.. but any reason you have to use squeeze? |
| 10:06.46 | notmentor | no_gravity, I don't otherwise know the answer |
| 10:07.01 | no_gravity | notmentor: well, "apt-cache search dropbox" shows a bunch of stuff. so the solution might be in the debian repos. |
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| 10:07.25 | notmentor | no_gravity, good luck |
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| 10:08.14 | no_gravity | nautilus-dropbox sounds interesting. |
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| 10:09.15 | curatox | FeignInt: No particular reason, just kept on using it for the time being, planning on upgrading my system some time soon though. Just tried to fiddle around with the system and get exfat filesystem support working. Eventually ended up needing automake 1.11.2. |
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| 10:10.23 | FeignInt | no_gravity, the nautilus-dropbox basically offers context menu pubic url copy and the like, still need the sync deamon |
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| 10:10.34 | FeignInt | *public |
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| 10:10.35 | no_gravity | FeignInt: yeah, i just found that out too. |
| 10:10.41 | no_gravity | im not happy to have the demon running. |
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| 10:10.48 | no_gravity | so i think i will skip dropbox for now. |
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| 10:10.53 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 10:11.37 | no_gravity | strange, it should be possible to edit files on dropbox online. but i cannot find it in the interface. |
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| 10:13.51 | wuffi600 | what packages are needed to avoid Error "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on Display"? but with systemupgrade wheezy->jessie i've uninstalled a feew packages... What packages should i check if they are installed? |
| 10:14.36 | boodie | Hi (jessie) my windows laptop can't find the shared printer any more, while it did it last week; the only changes I can remember are the latest package updates through aptitude. Tried to restart cups and the router, to no avail ... could it be something with samba? |
| 10:14.48 | FeignInt | wuffi600 what graphics card / drivers do you have? |
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| 10:16.12 | FeignInt | boodie , can windows see the machine your printer is on? i.e. can you ping it? |
| 10:16.15 | psopacua | Hi all, i have used "cvt 1920x1200" and the output is ""1920x1200_60.00" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -hsync +vsync" after that i did "xrandr --newmode "1920x1200" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -Hsync +Vsync" and after that i did "xrandr --addmode DFP2 "1920x1200"" but then i am getting "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)", Videocard: R7 240, Monitor: DELL U2711B, Cable: DVI Dual-link, |
| 10:16.15 | psopacua | the resolution is supported by the videocard & cable & Monitor |
| 10:17.05 | boodie | FeignInt: so for no, on the network detect ... I have to try and ping it ... |
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| 10:18.23 | wuffi600 | FeignInt: using "intel" that worked fine the last year. |
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| 10:18.56 | FeignInt | ok boodie, do you have any other network devices? smartphone / tablet .. can they see the print server |
| 10:18.58 | trewas | psopacua: doesn't it offer the correct mode automatically with xrandr? |
| 10:19.25 | wuffi600 | FeignInt: I'm confused that xorg.log says: " Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" could this be the problem or ist that module always refering to nvidia even if there is no nvidia HW? |
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| 10:20.09 | curatox | Would a manual install of automake 1.11.2 from another source by problematic regarding possible dependencies? There seems to be no other version in the squeeze-backports than 1.11.1. Might eventually just have to finally upgrade my system... |
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| 10:21.32 | wuffi600 | FeignInt: Details here http://paste.debian.net/379291/ |
| 10:22.16 | FeignInt | wuffi600 , hmm, seems you have the nvidia openGL stack.. not sure how .. |
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| 10:26.59 | wuffi600 | FeignInt: It says "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)", so i guess i have to replace a setting not to use nvidia glx but use intel glx. where? |
| 10:29.51 | FeignInt | curatox , you could try compiling 1.11.2 .. do you know git? |
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| 10:34.27 | curatox | FeignInt, I just searched around the backports packages and actually stumbled over the package I wanted to install in the first place (exfat support). Just in the process now of implementing the backports into my squeeze-lts. Thank you already! |
| 10:34.30 | FeignInt | wuffi600 , try "sudo update-glx --config glx" |
| 10:34.36 | boodie | FeignInt: Yes, if I put the cups address in the browser of a tablet and the windows laptop itself : I was able to send a test print from both ... so the problem is on windows side (as expected) |
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| 10:36.16 | irchea | hi, i don't get hostname on dhcp ipv6? |
| 10:36.24 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 10:36.40 | irchea | and every time i get a new ip... instead of renew the old one |
| 10:36.40 | tite12345 | I can't seem to send encrypted messages via Icedove. |
| 10:36.45 | tite12345 | I am using Enigmail. |
| 10:36.59 | tite12345 | I am certain that Enigmail knows my public and private keys already. |
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| 10:37.38 | tite12345 | I've exported them manually using this instructions to double check: http://irtfweb.ifa.hawaii.edu/~lockhart/gpg/gpg-cs.html |
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| 10:38.06 | FeignInt | curatox, :) well, have a look at compiling from source anyway .. it is fun :D start here https://wiki.debian.org/SourcePackage , a learning curve but a useful skill.. |
| 10:38.25 | tite12345 | I already did a message test and went into my Sent inbox - and I saw that it wasn't encrypted. |
| 10:38.43 | tite12345 | Because if it was, it should've told me like "Good Signature or certified" |
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| 10:38.50 | tite12345 | Or eve ask for my password |
| 10:38.52 | tite12345 | Right? |
| 10:39.07 | tite12345 | Sorry for my English but please clarify. |
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| 10:39.56 | spagetti0 | unless you cached the password temporarily, it would decrypt the message automatically. even if password was cached, you should still see a notification that the message had to be decrypted |
| 10:40.09 | wuffi600 | FeignInt: update-glx is a good hint (unfortunately in sid), I've found a lot of softlinks in /etx/alternatives pointing to some nvidia stuff. i'll try to fix this. Is there something like dkpg-reconfigure bla bla to update this autom. to intelstuff? |
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| 10:41.50 | FeignInt | wuffl600 , try uninstalling nvidia stuff with wildcards, "sudo apt-get remove --purge *nvida*" and then "sudo apt-get autoremove" |
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| 10:42.08 | spagetti0 | tite12345: by default, emails you send will only be encrypted if you have the target/recipient's public key |
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| 10:42.20 | tite12345 | Hmm |
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| 10:42.57 | spagetti0 | so if you dont have a public key for the person you typed in the "To: " field, it will not encrypt the email |
| 10:43.07 | masterDev | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.07 | masterDev | Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit Ethernet ** Uptime: 3h 50m 29s ** |
| 10:43.16 | FeignInt | wuffi600, the fact you have symlinks fro nvidia means that the nvida drivers were installed by the package manager, at least it is easier to clean up than the blob from nvidia :D |
| 10:44.09 | spagetti0 | i would start by trying to send an email to yourself. if everything works right, it should say THIS MESSAGE WILL BE ENCRYPTED as soon as you fill out the To: field with your own email address |
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| 10:44.48 | curatox | FeignInt: Will do, thanks :) |
| 10:44.48 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 10:44.52 | Filystyn | i need help |
| 10:44.55 | spagetti0 | you could also try going to the menu at the top and manually checking the boxes for Signing: ON/OFF and Encryption: ON/OFF |
| 10:44.57 | Filystyn | what is /opt for ? |
| 10:45.04 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
| 10:45.36 | spagetti0 | i usually use /opt for large proprietary programs that wouldnt be sensible to put in /usr/local or something similar |
| 10:45.41 | FeignInt | Filystyne, /opt is for "optional" it is more of an historic thing than anything else |
| 10:45.52 | Filystyn | ok im going to keep there my shared libs |
| 10:46.06 | bezaban | Filystyn: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-3.12.html |
| 10:46.20 | irchea | so... no way to send hostname ipv6 in dhcp? |
| 10:46.30 | irchea | seems a bug to me |
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| 10:47.10 | Filystyn | im going to break teh rule since it says it's for static and my libs are dynamic |
| 10:47.13 | teraflops | irchea: did.you setup the dhcpv6 server? |
| 10:47.18 | irchea | what? |
| 10:47.24 | irchea | the question is about the client |
| 10:47.28 | irchea | is not sending his hostname |
| 10:48.20 | irchea | that's supposed to work by default.. |
| 10:48.26 | FeignInt | what is the client using to request the IP irchea? |
| 10:48.32 | irchea | i don't know. |
| 10:48.34 | irchea | dhclient maybe |
| 10:48.39 | teraflops | irchea: the question is how the hell is the dhcp server configured |
| 10:48.46 | irchea | why? |
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| 10:49.12 | irchea | i just added 'iface eth0 inet6 dhcp' to /etc/network/interfaces . |
| 10:49.28 | Filystyn | mmm easiest way to let user into /opt but not anywhere else |
| 10:49.31 | irchea | i get the dhcp done, but no hostname. |
| 10:49.33 | Filystyn | i need to change permissions for opt |
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| 10:50.23 | teraflops | irchea: again. This is not a bug. |
| 10:50.38 | irchea | ? |
| 10:50.57 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 10:51.05 | irchea | it's a dhclient bug probably teraflops |
| 10:51.19 | irchea | send host-name is in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 10:51.24 | irchea | and is working on ipv4 |
| 10:51.49 | spagetti0 | Filystyn you want all users to have read write execute permission for /opt ? |
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| 10:52.30 | teraflops | No it's not s bug. And your argumenttation has no basis at all |
| 10:52.33 | Filystyn | yes |
| 10:52.40 | Filystyn | spagethi YES |
| 10:52.56 | irchea | what argument do you need? sending hostname in dhcp is standard o.o |
| 10:53.43 | irchea | that could help https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670865 |
| 10:53.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/670865 in isc-dhcp-client (open, ipv6): «isc-dhcp-client: dhclient does not send a hostname to DHCPv6 server by default»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-04-29; last modified: 2015-10-03. |
| 10:53.53 | irchea | still opened |
| 10:53.57 | irchea | no one care enough about ipv6 |
| 10:54.15 | irchea | but.. isc-dhcp-client? maybe not related to dhclient.. dhclient should be the default dhcp client on debian |
| 10:54.20 | teraflops | irchea: dhcp v4 is not dhcpv6. |
| 10:54.33 | irchea | well i try to add that line |
| 10:54.42 | irchea | the send fqdn.fqdn = gethostname(); |
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| 10:55.04 | irchea | worked |
| 10:55.08 | irchea | ok. cool |
| 10:55.15 | irchea | hope in future debian will do that in default config |
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| 10:56.01 | irchea | maybe not a bug, but a missfeature for sure |
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| 10:56.43 | irchea | maybe is because debian work on gnome so plain dhclient is a bit out of attention |
| 10:56.48 | bazhang | ,v checkinstall |
| 10:56.49 | judd | Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.2-1; stretch: 1.6.2-4; jessie: 1.6.2-4; sid: 1.6.2-4; wheezy: 1.6.2-4 |
| 10:56.52 | spagetti0 | Filystyn as long as security isnt a huge concern you can just chmod 0777 /opt |
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| 10:57.12 | Filystyn | spaghetti and how is that no secure? ther eis nothing in opt |
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| 10:57.46 | Filystyn | not a single file |
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| 10:58.06 | Filystyn | you knwo what? i will use home dir for my libs |
| 10:58.08 | spagetti0 | but if later you put files that will be used for something like, say, a webserver, then anyone who gets any sort of access to the system can alter those files |
| 10:58.11 | Filystyn | no idea why i did not do it from start:) |
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| 10:58.21 | FeignInt | Filystyn , 777 means everyone ( and things like scripts ) can modify the filesystem.. it is very bad to use 777 |
| 10:58.35 | FeignInt | oh, modify and execute |
| 10:58.35 | Filystyn | ok leave it. |
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| 10:58.47 | Filystyn | i decided that i won't do it |
| 10:58.52 | Filystyn | THANK YOU FOR HELP |
| 10:58.55 | Filystyn | \god bless |
| 10:58.57 | Filystyn | G* |
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| 10:59.17 | FeignInt | Fliystyn, what is you final goal? we may have a better solution for you |
| 10:59.59 | Filystyn | I want a directory for my shared dynamic libs |
| 11:00.07 | Filystyn | im having real hell making this fuckign linking work |
| 11:00.18 | Filystyn | and it is supposed to be easy |
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| 11:03.09 | FeignInt | Filystyn: "man ldconfig" any good to you? |
| 11:03.32 | Filystyn | this is for plugins |
| 11:03.53 | Filystyn | i only want at the monet - stop program load new lib v. start program |
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| 11:10.08 | Filystyn | not good. |
| 11:10.36 | Filystyn | im sick of those hard to understand tutorials that assume you already know everything. WRRRRRRRR |
| 11:10.57 | FeignInt | Filystyn: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${EXTRALIBRARYPATH}:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}" |
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| 11:11.26 | Filystyn | i did this. and it's in my home directory now. Actualy instead of trying to go further i was kind of sitting here complaining |
| 11:11.35 | Filystyn | give me a second im gonna finaly do something |
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| 11:14.11 | Filystyn | Feignlnt how do i ignore extra path |
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| 11:18.32 | FeignInt | Filystyn: how well do you know string manipulation ? anyway, easy (lazy) way is "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH_ORIG=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" then to get back just "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH_OLD" but real scripting way is in here http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/string-manipulation.html |
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| 11:18.57 | FeignInt | oops, OLD=ORIG |
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| 11:21.35 | Filystyn | seems like i should have do export from start |
| 11:21.41 | Filystyn | im only good with c/c++. |
| 11:21.54 | Filystyn | when it come sto bash i can do only the most basic shit |
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| 11:22.30 | FeignInt | Filystyn: this should help you, ( helped me *alot* ) http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
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| 11:23.26 | Filystyn | export did not save it |
| 11:23.35 | Filystyn | i only get it for a terminal session |
| 11:24.15 | Filystyn | man i would be happy to have time to read it. and i like have tons of shit to read but i added the link thx |
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| 11:29.24 | FeignInt | Filystyn: yeah, it will be lost when shell ( or script ) exits, have your binary started with a shell script, you could pass the libdir on teh command line, example "MyScriptToStartMyBin.sh ~/dir/to/my/libs1" |
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| 11:31.46 | Filystyn | can't i just add it to source ~/,bash_profile |
| 11:31.57 | Filystyn | so it runs when ever i run this command |
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| 11:34.11 | FeignInt | Filystyn: yeah, that will work.. but since I don't know what you arer actually playing with I have no idea if it will cause issues with other things on your system |
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| 11:34.59 | Filystyn | well than how do i save it in it? |
| 11:35.10 | Filystyn | export doe snot work and alias is more for making own scripts |
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| 11:35.19 | Filystyn | i could just force to run the export script |
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| 11:35.27 | Filystyn | evey time i start source |
| 11:36.11 | Filystyn | aaaa i need root to edit the file |
| 11:36.14 | Filystyn | just a sec;-) |
| 11:36.50 | Filystyn | stop no no root needed |
| 11:37.09 | Filystyn | added export bla bla |
| 11:37.09 | FeignInt | Filystyn: you shouldn't need root to edit ~/.bash_profile |
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| 11:37.12 | Filystyn | now will work perfect |
| 11:37.19 | Filystyn | yes normal user |
| 11:37.22 | Filystyn | could edit it |
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| 11:37.34 | Filystyn | thank you very much for your help |
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| 11:37.40 | Filystyn | all will work fine now |
| 11:38.01 | FeignInt | Filystyn: ok, kewl , glad to help |
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| 11:50.44 | disc0very | hello guys |
| 11:50.55 | disc0very | i'm trying to compile "SynCE" software from sources |
| 11:51.02 | disc0very | i am getting the following error |
| 11:51.04 | disc0very | checking for g_mount_info_ref in -lgvfscommon... no |
| 11:51.04 | disc0very | configure: error: Required library libgvfscommon not found |
| 11:51.20 | disc0very | libgvfscommon is installed and the gvfs-devel is installed as well |
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| 11:52.07 | notmentor | disc0very, As you are doing dev work, is the dev package installed? |
| 11:52.31 | disc0very | <disc0very> libgvfscommon is installed and the gvfs-devel is installed as well |
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| 11:52.56 | disc0very | notmentor, what you mean by dev package ? for gvfs ? |
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| 11:55.16 | notmentor | dpkg, versions libgvfscommon |
| 11:55.17 | dpkg | notmentor: I give up, what is it? |
| 11:55.22 | notmentor | !versions libgvfscommon |
| 11:55.30 | notmentor | `versions libgvfscommon |
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| 11:56.45 | notmentor | disc0very, Hang on, there is no libgvfscommon in the archive |
| 11:56.56 | psopacua | @trewas, nope it doesn't, it goes up to 1680x1050. I cant find the command to test the resolution i did it last week by trying the resolution and it was set until i rebooted. |
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| 12:06.42 | chele | ,v libgvfscommon |
| 12:06.43 | judd | No package named 'libgvfscommon' was found in amd64. |
| 12:06.55 | FeignInt | apt-file find libgvfscommon.so |
| 12:06.55 | FeignInt | gvfs-libs: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gvfs/libgvfscommon.so |
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| 12:07.18 | FeignInt | you need gvfs-libs |
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| 12:10.29 | bumbar_ | is debian (fully?) posix compliant? |
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| 12:12.03 | hid3 | Hello. Could anyone offer me some kind of Linux live CD, which would fit in a simple CD (700 MB) and be quite modern? I need to boot off a live CD to repartition the disk on my Debian system which uses XFS(v4)... |
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| 12:13.07 | themill | hid3: the debian live "rescue" image should be able to do that; grml is also a good option but I have no idea about xfs |
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| 12:14.08 | FeignInt | hid3: also http://gparted.org/livecd.php is an option |
| 12:14.31 | themill | bumbar_: linux itself is not, so no. |
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| 12:15.16 | bumbar_ | i've 2 users (say A and B), and A runs a program in c which invokes B's script through system syscall. will the script run as user A or B? |
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| 12:16.15 | FeignInt | A unless B's script is setuid |
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| 12:16.42 | notmentor | bumbar_, A script executes as the current user, no matter who's script it is |
| 12:17.12 | bumbar_ | so if B's script has 700 permissions, then it won't run, correct? |
| 12:17.21 | themill | tias |
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| 12:18.11 | FeignInt | bumbar_: only the owner and root will be able to execute B's script |
| 12:18.18 | bumbar_ | themill, but i'm lazy :P |
| 12:19.00 | hid3 | themill: where do I get that Debian's rescue image? |
| 12:19.45 | themill | !live |
| 12:19.45 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. Currently you CANNOT install in UEFI from a Debian live image. |
| 12:19.49 | hid3 | Also, what about debian-live-8.3.0-i386-standard.iso ? Does it contain 'fdisk' by default? |
| 12:20.17 | themill | oh... I don't see one labelled rescue any more |
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| 12:21.12 | FeignInt | hid3: when in a liveCD you can install anything in the repos ( assuming network and enought ram ) password is 'live' |
| 12:21.14 | hid3 | Basically all I need is to boot off a CD, configure networking, mount NFS share, copy over the data and repartition with fdisk. Create XFS, move everything back from NFS to the disk. Done. |
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| 12:21.28 | hid3 | yes, network is present, enough ram |
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| 12:21.49 | hid3 | so can I go with that .iso which I have pasted and expect for the best? |
| 12:22.06 | FeignInt | hid3: just get to the live desktop and open a console, use sudo ( passowrd is live ) |
| 12:23.10 | hid3 | Alright, so I'm burning debian-live-8.3.0-i386-standard.iso to a CD then... Thanks! |
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| 12:24.10 | disc0very | FeignInt, i have libgvfscommon.so in my lib64 |
| 12:24.16 | FeignInt | hid3: actually cd or dvd? I think the live iso are too large for cd, but I may be wrong. I usually dd the iso to a usb pen drive |
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| 12:24.34 | disc0very | but still the ./configure get error |
| 12:24.35 | disc0very | checking for g_mount_info_ref in -lgvfscommon... no |
| 12:24.35 | disc0very | configure: error: Required library libgvfscommon not found |
| 12:24.46 | disc0very | i'm doing this on a CentOS |
| 12:24.48 | disc0very | actually |
| 12:24.52 | hid3 | FeignInt: CD! No DVD device there. Also, USB's are disabled... Such case is the first in the live of the server (and the last one) |
| 12:25.04 | hid3 | I am okay with a console, etc... No need for GUI |
| 12:25.07 | FeignInt | disc0very: you need gvfs-libs |
| 12:25.52 | disc0very | FeignInt, i installed the lib |
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| 12:26.01 | disc0very | /usr/lib64/gvfs: |
| 12:26.01 | disc0very | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.01 | disc0very | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.05 | disc0very | this is my ldconfig -v |
| 12:26.48 | disc0very | how come the ./configure can't get the function from that library ? |
| 12:26.48 | disc0very | checking for g_mount_info_ref in -lgvfscommon... no |
| 12:26.51 | disc0very | this is what i get |
| 12:26.55 | disc0very | piss me off :p |
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| 12:28.01 | FeignInt | disc0very: delete the config.cache ( or just start over fresh ) |
| 12:28.43 | bumbar_ | i've tried running the script (owned by different user) and it didn't work. even with 755 script's permission it's not working |
| 12:28.44 | disc0very | FeignInt you mean ld.conf.cache ? |
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| 12:29.08 | FeignInt | hid3: I'll have a look for something cd sized |
| 12:29.33 | FeignInt | disc0very: config.cache in the src dir you are compiling |
| 12:29.39 | bumbar_ | stupid me... it doesn't work cos A doesn't have access to B's directory |
| 12:29.40 | disc0very | FeignInt ok wait |
| 12:29.50 | disc0very | i dont have that file |
| 12:29.59 | disc0very | config.guess config.h.in config.log config.sub configure configure.ac |
| 12:30.04 | disc0very | this is what i have |
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| 12:31.11 | disc0very | seems like the libgvfscommon is not found or the function called to check the lib by the configure script is not working |
| 12:31.28 | disc0very | how can i check that function from the command line ? |
| 12:31.42 | FeignInt | disc0very: have you tried extracting the source to a clean dir? |
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| 12:32.01 | disc0very | FeignInt yes i did it |
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| 12:33.27 | disc0very | in the config.log i see this |
| 12:33.30 | disc0very | configure:12796: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lgvfscommon >&5 |
| 12:33.30 | disc0very | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgvfscommon |
| 12:34.57 | themill | disc0very: which version of debian is this? |
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| 12:35.18 | disc0very | themill, i'm doing this on a CentOS |
| 12:35.26 | themill | ... |
| 12:35.32 | disc0very | i said it before |
| 12:35.56 | themill | This is #debian. We can't tell you what packages to install on CentOS. |
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| 12:36.11 | disc0very | themill, i know, but i'm working on the source file |
| 12:36.27 | disc0very | and the libgvfscommon is installed in my /usr/lib64/gvfs |
| 12:36.35 | disc0very | and listed in the ldconfig -v |
| 12:36.47 | themill | please take it to #centos. |
| 12:36.50 | disc0very | so it should be ok, i need a general help for linux |
| 12:37.02 | disc0very | guys in centos only give support to centos rpms |
| 12:37.05 | teraflops | #linux exists btw |
| 12:37.11 | disc0very | they wont help on the source builds |
| 12:37.18 | disc0very | i tried on both channels |
| 12:37.24 | disc0very | this is my last resource |
| 12:37.32 | Filystyn | disc0very |
| 12:37.42 | themill | that doesn't make figuring out some other distros packages and toolchain ontopic for #debian |
| 12:37.47 | Filystyn | did you check what is offciail irc? |
| 12:37.57 | disc0very | of the package i'm trying to build ? |
| 12:37.58 | Filystyn | like official debian is on oftc for example |
| 12:39.17 | disc0very | ok sorry for the OT |
| 12:39.20 | disc0very | gtg bye |
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| 12:39.24 | Filystyn | cu |
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| 12:43.24 | FeignInt | hid3: are you still here? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ look for debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-standard.iso 416MB |
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| 12:43.45 | FeignInt | hid3: or 32bit :D |
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| 12:48.39 | ghormoon | hi, how can I remount back to rw? it complains "mount: /dev/vda1 is already mounted or / busy" (trying mount -o remout,rw /dev/vda1 /), it mounted ro because of write error. |
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| 12:49.56 | frostschutz | ghormoon, reboot, fsck, and make sure that error never happens again. if your disk is broke get a new one. |
| 12:50.30 | ghormoon | frostschutz: the disk is ok. just ran out of space :)) |
| 12:50.41 | frostschutz | running out of space does not re-mount read-only |
| 12:50.43 | ghormoon | it's a VM and I overcommited storage too much |
| 12:50.43 | FeignInt | ghormoon: what filesystem? |
| 12:50.55 | ghormoon | therefore qemu told it write error |
| 12:51.00 | frostschutz | ghormoon, oh, that kind of space. even so, the filesystem will need fsck |
| 12:51.33 | ghormoon | can I fsck and remount or only to reboot the vm? |
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| 12:53.27 | FeignInt | ghormoon: with kpartx ( lazy link http://linux.die.net/man/8/kpartx ) you can map the partitions and do fsck wit the host |
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| 12:54.12 | FeignInt | ghormoon: Oh, BUT don't do that with the guess running ! |
| 12:54.15 | ghormoon | I did fsck from the guest. it kinda surprised me that it survived. only skype crashed and mail stopped syncing |
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| 12:56.34 | julius | hi |
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| 12:57.46 | julius | is it just me or is: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser kina weird....after pairing the document gets lost in general tips that dont give a hint on howto use it |
| 12:59.59 | julius | for example, assuming im paired with some device. how do i open a serial terminal connection to it? whats the device in dev that represents my end of the communication? |
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| 13:01.15 | teraflops | julius: also it does not talk about bluetoothctl |
| 13:01.52 | teraflops | wait |
| 13:02.02 | FeignInt | julius: sorry , about the only thing I do with BT is stream audio from my tablet, |
| 13:02.10 | teraflops | I swear it didnt just a week ago :S |
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| 13:12.10 | julius | rfcomm connect 98:D3:32:70:7C:91 hci0 Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Device or resource busy how do i "unbusy" it? |
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| 13:14.22 | FeignInt | julius: you may have some desktop bluetooth applet "using" it, look for the tray icons and quit them |
| 13:14.22 | julius | screen /dev/rfcom0 works even, better. gets you a white blank screen with no input possibility |
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| 13:15.00 | julius | the gnome bluetooth app says that im connected to HC-05 - which is the right device name |
| 13:16.18 | FeignInt | julius: you will have to use it (gnome bt ) to do things, the cli can't use it if gnome has it.. |
| 13:16.36 | julius | the gnome app looks more like a status windo |
| 13:16.38 | FeignInt | julius: well, as far as I know |
| 13:16.48 | julius | it does have "zero" buttons besides connect/disconnect |
| 13:17.01 | teraflops | julius: what i do is creating a /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf with a rfcomm0 { ... for my device |
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| 13:20.46 | teraflops | if you want to connect via serial to e.g bt gps but youre not able to find info on doing it manually (cli) i suggest you to give a try to blueman |
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| 13:23.31 | julius | http://embeddedprogrammer.blogspot.de/2012/06/ubuntu-hacking-hc-06-bluetooth-module.html |
| 13:23.41 | julius | looks like somebody wrote it down |
| 13:23.54 | julius | i probably fraked my bluetooth stack |
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| 13:24.41 | julius | im gonna reboot and test again |
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| 13:45.08 | b_jonas | Hi. I'd like to install a few particular packages from the non-free archives. But the problem is, if I add non-free to the /etc/apt/sources.list , then aptitude will list all packages from those archives, and doesn't even clearly distinguish them, so I can accidentally install more packages from there in the future. What's the best way to handle this? |
| 13:45.17 | b_jonas | I don't want to install such packages without specifically knowing. |
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| 13:53.08 | grawity | Kristure: http://i.imgur.com/4OhlRtq.png |
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| 14:06.48 | jlim | howdy |
| 14:09.17 | psopacua | Hi all, i have used "cvt 1920x1200" and the output is ""1920x1200_60.00" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -hsync +vsync" after that i did "xrandr --newmode "1920x1200" 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -Hsync +Vsync" and after that i did "xrandr --addmode DFP2 "1920x1200"" but then i am getting "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)", Videocard: R7 240, Monitor: DELL U2711B, Cable: DVI Dual-link, |
| 14:09.17 | psopacua | the resolution is supported by the videocard & cable & Monitor |
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| 14:25.28 | dewp | hey guys. i think this is more a general question than debian-related: I'm using a debian client and a raspbian as web-server. on the debian pc is also a webserver installed. I want to reach the raspbian webserver when I enter "http://raspberry/", but it is re-routed to the local running webserver on the client. raspbian-server can only be accessed directly via IP. what do I have to change (etc/hosts file |
| 14:25.36 | dewp | and etc/hostname is changed |
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| 15:11.07 | AlexPortable | Can I somehow automate the debian install by preseeding some choices but leave others the same? |
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| 15:12.04 | phy1729 | What do you mean leave the others the same? |
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| 15:12.55 | Kristure | grawity: Thanks dude |
| 15:13.21 | Kristure | Somehow I could configure it to open terminal and run a command though? Keyboard shortcut that is |
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| 15:14.06 | SerajewelKS | i have a machine that has multiple LUKS-encrypted volumes. whenever i update the initramfs, on the next boot the kernel panics. |
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| 15:14.36 | SerajewelKS | when i update the initramfs from the install CD in rescue mode, in a chroot within the machine's root volume, on the next boot it is able to successfully boot. |
| 15:14.39 | SerajewelKS | why would this be? |
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| 15:16.15 | troulouliou_div2 | hi what is the easiest way ti create a usb bootable disk; i used unetbootin but during install it says impossible to detect cdrom ... |
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| 15:26.14 | Stameni | hello. I am abaut to upgrade my laptop processor from Intel Celeron M520 to Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 |
| 15:26.25 | Stameni | when I replace CPU and start computer |
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| 15:26.37 | Stameni | Debian 8 on it |
| 15:27.20 | Stameni | is it gonna recognise it all by itself and do I need to update something |
| 15:27.25 | Stameni | ? |
| 15:28.06 | SerajewelKS | the system shouldn't care |
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| 15:28.25 | SerajewelKS | unless you have programs compiled with extended instructions that the old CPU supports that the new CPU doesn't, which is unlikely |
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| 15:29.00 | Stameni | so just replace it and no fuss to follow |
| 15:29.07 | Stameni | thank you |
| 15:29.17 | SerajewelKS | linux is pretty good with hardware changes |
| 15:29.24 | SerajewelKS | much better than other particular OSes |
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| 15:29.55 | Stameni | good to hear that |
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| 15:30.20 | SerajewelKS | i've changed the mobo + ram + cpu + gpu out from under linux and it doesn't give two shits |
| 15:30.30 | SerajewelKS | but when i do that i usually have to reinstall windows |
| 15:30.47 | SerajewelKS | because drivers....? or something |
| 15:30.47 | murphy | any advice on getting a bluetooth keyboard to pair when im not having any problems with my mouse? |
| 15:31.58 | SerajewelKS | especially if i upgrade the gpu to a newer model of the same brand (nvidia -> nvidia) then i don't even have to touch anything to get the system working optimally |
| 15:32.17 | SerajewelKS | if i upgrade some stuff to different brands i may need to tweak some config or install new packages, but the system at least boots to a terminal |
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| 15:33.50 | jaggzt | I'm installing a company's .deb which requires some older libs than debian has.. but the current libs apparently work fine (we'll see). Can I tell the package system that these are satisfied by the newer versions? |
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| 15:34.38 | jaggzt | for instance, it wants ibboost-date-time1.54.0, but I have ibboost-date-time1.55 |
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| 15:35.26 | SerajewelKS | jaggzt: you can install it with --force-depends but this will make the system angry when you try to do future things |
| 15:36.06 | jaggzt | SerajewelKS, yeah I'll have to clean it up. autodesk is fixing the dependencies, supposedly. it's "meshmixer" .. they only provide a ubuntu version currently http://meshmixer.com/linux.html |
| 15:36.23 | murphy | why does the bluetooth gui passkey show the wrong passkey? that seems to be my issue |
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| 15:36.48 | SerajewelKS | jaggzt: you could try to use the dpkg-deb tool to manipulate the binary package |
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| 15:37.02 | jaggzt | SerajewelKS, force-depends works, thanks. Now I need to make fake symlinks for each of these .55 -> .54 libs.. bleh |
| 15:37.21 | jaggzt | their binary still is linked badly, so that won't fix it fully unfortunately |
| 15:37.35 | SerajewelKS | jaggzt: note that with force-depends, future installs of any packages via apt will result in it trying to fix those dependiencies and whining about it |
| 15:37.52 | SerajewelKS | jaggzt: what you could try to do is create a debian package that "Provides:" the dependencies and just contains symlinks |
| 15:37.54 | jaggzt | thanks.. yeah.. lots of whining .. heh |
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| 15:38.16 | jaggzt | SerajewelKS, ooh, that's neat. not sure if I'm up to learning the debian package requirements.. |
| 15:38.25 | jaggzt | been enough years I should have done that by now though :) |
| 15:38.40 | SerajewelKS | jaggzt: it's not tricky. since it's your system you don't need to follow all the super best practice guidelines. |
| 15:38.54 | SerajewelKS | that you would need to follow for inclusion in debian proper. just make it work and dpkg -i the sucker. |
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| 15:39.58 | jaggzt | SerajewelKS, looking for a simple example right now |
| 15:40.44 | jaggzt | (of an existing debian/control file I guess.. and how to handle the script or however you do the commands to do the ln linking) |
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| 15:41.21 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
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| 15:41.34 | SerajewelKS | i've made similar packages before but it's been long enough that i don't remember exactly how to do it |
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| 15:44.55 | jaggzt | I guess first step is to make a script that'll do the linking for me.. for convenience.. to be honest I'll probably just stop there :} |
| 15:45.06 | jaggzt | (from trying to make sense of what I'd need, from https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debmake-doc/ch04.en.html ) |
| 15:45.17 | jaggzt | "Chapter 4. Simple Example" |
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| 15:47.53 | tinyhippo | I am trying to install salt-master on squeeze but it has missing dependencies: http://dpaste.com/22KNW94 what should I do to resolve it? |
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| 15:51.04 | Brigo | tinyhippo, where do you get salt-master from? |
| 15:51.31 | tinyhippo | Brigo: deb http://debian.saltstack.com/debian squeeze-saltstack main in my sources.list |
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| 15:52.05 | SerajewelKS | tinyhippo: ask saltstack |
| 15:52.10 | SerajewelKS | they are the ones providing the packages |
| 15:52.11 | Brigo | tinyhippo, then ask them, they build that package, we don't know about it. |
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| 15:52.38 | Brigo | tinyhippo, note you can get that package and it dependencies from official squeeze-backports-sloppy repo. |
| 15:53.42 | tinyhippo | Brigo: ah ok I'll look into that |
| 15:53.43 | Brigo | tinyhippo, if you don't know what a bakport it or who to hande it, check http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 15:53.51 | Brigo | tinyhippo, good luck :) |
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| 15:55.57 | jaggzt | SerajewelKS, hmm.. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdns_sd.solibavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev |
| 15:56.29 | jaggzt | package search shows that file's in that package.. but when I install that -dev it requires the libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 package (but it's not going to be installed). |
| 15:56.49 | SerajewelKS | jaggzt: is the other package still installed? |
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| 15:56.55 | SerajewelKS | the one you had to force to install? |
| 15:56.59 | jaggzt | If I install both on the same line I get no error, but no files seem to be on the system (well, libdns_sd isn't here) |
| 15:57.05 | jaggzt | yeah |
| 15:57.11 | jaggzt | that one gives me its fun warnings |
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| 15:57.22 | SerajewelKS | jaggzt: that's the kind of stuff you can expect when a package was installed with --force-depends |
| 15:57.33 | SerajewelKS | apt is going to decide that it can't do anything in pretty much every situation |
| 15:57.37 | jaggzt | heh |
| 15:57.38 | jaggzt | okay |
| 15:57.42 | SerajewelKS | because there will always be an unresolved dependency |
| 15:57.56 | jaggzt | well.. this is no fun :) |
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| 15:58.10 | SerajewelKS | so the way apt works |
| 15:58.19 | jaggzt | maybe if I remove the original one (meshmixer) and do this stuff it'll work then |
| 15:58.24 | SerajewelKS | when you try to install something it marks that installed and then notices that dependencies aren't satisfied |
| 15:58.32 | SerajewelKS | so it tries to come up with a plan to resolve all of the dependency problems on the system |
| 15:58.53 | SerajewelKS | the only plans it will consider are plans where all dependencies are satisfied in some way |
| 15:59.19 | SerajewelKS | but you have an un-satisfiable dependency problem created by a different package. it doesn't care that it's not created by a different package than you're trying to install. |
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| 15:59.30 | SerajewelKS | all it knows is that you asked it to install something and it can't resolve all dependency issues on the system |
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| 15:59.41 | SerajewelKS | so yes, removing that package until you have your hack package ready is probably advisable |
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| 16:00.34 | rpglover64 | I'm having a problem that I don't even know how to search for let alone solve; can anyone help? I'm running testing. Yesterday I upgraded a lot of packages and restarted; among the packages upgraded were the kernel, a bunch of nvidia packages, and a bunch of xserver-xorg packages. After rebooting I have two strange symptoms: 1) I can't login to my user account through the login manager (lightdm), but logging in on a console and running |
| 16:00.34 | rpglover64 | startx works; 2) the fonts in gtk applications (e.g. iceweasel, pidgin, hexchat, but not my window manager, i3, itself) are thin and blocky. This is made weirder by the fact that it only affects my user account; other accounts log in fine and have working fonts. |
| 16:00.39 | SerajewelKS | to put it another way, requesting to install a package creates a dependency problem most of the time. so the way apt is coded, it decides what other packages to install simply by trying to fix all dependency problems that exist if you tried to install just that package. |
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| 16:01.34 | SerajewelKS | rpglover64: the newer nvidia driver is probably broken |
| 16:01.54 | rpglover64 | SerajewelKS: then why does it only affect one user account? |
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| 16:02.39 | SerajewelKS | maybe this user account has some settings that the newer nvidia tools can't read properly, or there is some program running at startup that causes problems |
| 16:02.53 | jaggzt | SerajewelKS, got it working.. had to uninstall and reinstall it several times to install the dependencies properly, and run it again to see what it fails on.. but now it runs |
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| 16:03.01 | SerajewelKS | cool |
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| 16:03.21 | jaggzt | 4 symlinks and some dependency packages.. |
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| 16:03.38 | jaggzt | pretty clean actually! :) |
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| 16:03.48 | jaggzt | autodesk should opensource their meshmixer software :) |
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| 16:04.54 | Ivek | ok |
| 16:05.14 | rpglover64 | SerajewelKS: So do you think I should downgrade the nvidia driver? Or do you think I should try to find the problem on the account's side? Any idea how to do that? |
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| 16:06.27 | SerajewelKS | rpglover64: TBH i'm not sure. downgrading it shouldn't hurt (in theory), if that resolves it then you have some idea where the problem is. |
| 16:06.47 | SerajewelKS | from the user side all i can really suggest is trying to find the problem by bisection |
| 16:07.09 | jaggzt | SerajewelKS, thank you so much for your help with this |
| 16:07.12 | SerajewelKS | which basically goes like this: create some directory in the home folder. move half of the user's dot-files and dot-dirs into that directory and log in. |
| 16:07.16 | SerajewelKS | jaggzt: np |
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| 16:07.36 | SerajewelKS | rpglover64: if the problem goes away then you know the problem is in one of the dot-things you moved away. if it doesn't try with the other half. |
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| 16:07.49 | jaggzt | I know I'm not making the fix "properly" with a Provides package (maybe a name for that).. |
| 16:07.59 | SerajewelKS | otherwise if the problem did go away, move half of the dot-files back until the problem recurs |
| 16:08.18 | SerajewelKS | keep on with this strategy until you know exactly which dot-thing is breaking it |
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| 16:08.40 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 16:08.58 | tite12345 | I couldn't send encrypted messages in Icedove |
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| 16:09.06 | SerajewelKS | rpglover64: with this strategy you can locate the bad file in approximately O(log N) time |
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| 16:09.27 | tite12345 | Perhaps I just haven't decided which account or PGP key is to be used with Enigmail? |
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| 16:09.29 | SerajewelKS | rpglover64: but you have to know what you are doing. back up their home directory first if you are unsure. |
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| 16:09.58 | tite12345 | Enigmail already recognizse the account or email that I desire to use. |
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| 16:10.43 | rpglover64 | SerajewelKS: Now if only I could run git bisect on my home directory instead of having to manually do a binary search... I think I'll try that. Thanks. |
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| 16:11.25 | SerajewelKS | rpglover64: indeed. if you know how git bisect works then you shouldn't have any issues with this technique. |
| 16:11.47 | SerajewelKS | once you find the bad dot-thing you can peek in to see what might be the problem |
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| 16:11.57 | SerajewelKS | if it's a directory you can do the same thing to its contents |
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| 16:13.26 | melt | i cannot seem to get the linux headers installed for debian stretch.... i have installed basically every headers looking package, but still do not have /lib/modules/4.3.0-1-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h do i need to symlink something??? |
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| 16:14.31 | melt | E: Package 'linux-headers-generic' has no installation candidate |
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| 16:20.39 | Stameni | in Debian 8 with Gnome when I start RadioTray I dont know where to look for it |
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| 16:21.13 | davis | so, I have messed up. I have an older box which I "upgraded" to newer sources. I did this by pointing sources to current versions. I did the dist-upgrade and was using it for a while thinking it was working. |
| 16:21.19 | mtn | Stameni: pop out tray, bottom left |
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| 16:21.46 | rec001 | hi there |
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| 16:21.48 | davis | However today I needed to install a driver and I never installed the mainline kernel image for my newer sources. |
| 16:21.55 | Stameni | < mtn> nothing there |
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| 16:22.18 | umekx | how can i search for a package in wheezy-backports? |
| 16:22.19 | mtn | Stameni: is radio tray running? |
| 16:22.22 | davis | I did that and now it boots and works, but some drivers are not there. Namely my network driver. I can not do modprobe of the driver. |
| 16:23.19 | SerajewelKS | davis: check if maybe there is a new ethN device |
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| 16:23.23 | Stameni | < mtn> yes, I see it as a process in System monitor. In Devian 7 it was in hidden bar on the bottom of the screen wich showed up when point it with a mouse arrow |
| 16:23.31 | SerajewelKS | davis: maybe the driver was renamed or merged with another driver or something, and your system sees it as a new device |
| 16:23.46 | mtn | Stameni: right, and now that same info is in the pop out tab, bottom left |
| 16:24.18 | mtn | Stameni: you could try installing the top icon extension, it might show then, up on top |
| 16:24.19 | davis | SerajewelKS: i don't know how to do it with ip link to get unconfigured devices, but ifconfg -a only shows loopback |
| 16:24.49 | SerajewelKS | davis: just "ip link" should dump out a list of interfaces |
| 16:24.55 | davis | SerajewelKS: i was thinking dpkg-reconfigure initrd or something would fix it, but I don't know what the package name would be |
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| 16:25.03 | davis | ip link just shows lo as well |
| 16:25.09 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 16:25.12 | SerajewelKS | !hcl |
| 16:25.12 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 16:25.16 | SerajewelKS | davis: ^^ |
| 16:25.27 | SerajewelKS | davis: go there and run lspci -n and paste the contents there |
| 16:25.30 | davis | dmesg | grep eth is empty |
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| 16:26.09 | davis | that's going to be hard since i dont have networking |
| 16:26.28 | davis | is there a method to reconfigure build of drivers? |
| 16:26.34 | rec001 | I am trying to install Debian stable using preseeding, it works fantastically well except that the installer stops in the "d-i tasksel tasksel/first" bit to ask for tasks to install |
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| 16:26.53 | rec001 | I have tried everything from selecting "standard" or "none" to leaving it empty |
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| 16:27.19 | rec001 | I have also read the documentation a few times and I can't understand what's wrong... :( |
| 16:27.39 | Stameni | < mtn> Thank you. I have found it |
| 16:28.00 | mtn | Stameni: welcome. |
| 16:28.12 | Stameni | < mtn> It was on the bottom of the creen, just needed to point down with an arrow with some speed |
| 16:28.29 | mtn | Stameni: ok, good to know |
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| 16:33.11 | melt | catbehemoth: always smart to type passwords in server window or query to yourself |
| 16:33.29 | catbehemoth | melt wrong password anyways :) |
| 16:33.42 | melt | catbehemoth: hope u just finished changing it..... |
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| 16:34.00 | melt | i cannot seem to get the linux headers installed for debian stretch.... i have installed basically every headers looking package, but still do not have /lib/modules/4.3.0-1-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h do i need to symlink something??? |
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| 16:35.58 | markybob | melt, are you talking about linux-libc-dev: /usr/include/linux/version.h ? |
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| 16:38.23 | markybob | melt, i have the latest headers on stretch and don't have /lib/modules/4.3.0-1-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h nor does apt-file search see it or dpkg -L of linux-headers-4.3.0-1-common or linux-headers-4.3.0-1-amd64 |
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| 16:39.59 | umekx | can you make backport of 4.4.1 kernel for wheezy? |
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| 16:40.25 | greycat | for wheezy? why? |
| 16:40.32 | markybob | umekx, no |
| 16:41.09 | t4nk665 | Hi,someone has experience with tails? |
| 16:41.11 | umekx | why |
| 16:41.30 | umekx | i think i have wheezy |
| 16:41.38 | umekx | t4nk665: ib have |
| 16:41.43 | t4nk665 | How safe is tails it can be compromised? |
| 16:42.42 | t4nk665 | because I use it on an Flash drive |
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| 16:44.17 | markybob | umekx, "why" is not a proper answer to when asked "why" |
| 16:44.26 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell t4nk665 about tails |
| 16:44.38 | umekx | i need that backport |
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| 16:44.45 | umekx | and mesa backport |
| 16:44.49 | greycat | "I want to backport a post-experimental kernel to oldstable" is just ludicrous. |
| 16:44.52 | markybob | umekx, there is none. jessie only has 4.3 backport |
| 16:44.55 | greycat | Upgrade to stable. |
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| 16:45.23 | umekx | damn on gen2 i already use 4.4.1 |
| 16:45.40 | markybob | umekx, good on you |
| 16:45.43 | greycat | on gen2 are you running 4.4.1 on their OLDER release, from like 4 years ago? No? I didn't think so. |
| 16:45.57 | greycat | !wheezy |
| 16:45.57 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.8>. |
| 16:46.02 | greycat | oh, only 3 years |
| 16:46.11 | umekx | can i try load debian with my openrc gen2 image? |
| 16:46.25 | jelly | dpkg, wheezy =~ s/7.8/7.9/ |
| 16:46.25 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
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| 16:46.46 | umekx | or just install deb via dpkg? |
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| 16:47.10 | jlim | whats up? |
| 16:47.29 | umekx | give me link to 4.4.1.deb |
| 16:47.37 | markybob | umekx, there is none. stop and listen |
| 16:47.38 | greycat | There isn't one. |
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| 16:47.44 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 16:47.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 16:47.53 | greycat | Even *EXPERIMENTAL* only has 4.4.0. |
| 16:48.07 | jelly | umekx: what's a "gen2"? why not copy that kernel? |
| 16:48.08 | umekx | 4.4.0 is ok |
| 16:48.23 | markybob | umekx, experimental kernel won't work on oldstable |
| 16:48.34 | jelly | markybob: why wouldn't it work? |
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| 16:49.01 | jelly | just the kernel, not -headers |
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| 16:49.48 | greycat | Linux kernel often tend to have userland requirements like "glibc version x", "udev version y" and I don't know whether wheezy would satisfy those for a kernel that's still bleeding. |
| 16:49.58 | johnkeates | i'm getting two Hash Sum mismatches on "testing/main", anyone else experience this? im using " http://cdn.debian.net" |
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| 16:51.49 | kemu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.31 | jelly | kemu: try it and see |
| 16:52.32 | kemu | jelly: do you think i can use gentoo openrc kernel with systemd debian? |
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| 16:52.57 | kemu | ok how to try it? |
| 16:52.58 | jelly | if not systemd, you can switch to sysvinit temporarily |
| 16:53.24 | kemu | explain the steps |
| 16:53.50 | kemu | also i don't know if gen2 image has linux-headers |
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| 16:54.57 | jelly | kemu: uh... do you know what parts a distro kernel has? Copy all the parts, regenerate initrd/initramfs, update the boot loader and try it out |
| 16:55.31 | markybob | kemu, basically add init=/usr/bin/init-openrc to the kernel parameters |
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| 16:57.12 | kemu | jelle: i have systemmap, initramfs and vmzlinuz |
| 16:57.14 | jelly | kemu: parts are roughly: /boot/{vmlinuz,System.map,initrd}-version and /lib/modules/version/ |
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| 16:57.45 | kemu | jelle: i don't have inird i have only initramfs |
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| 16:58.00 | jelly | same difference, you have to rebuild it anyway |
| 16:58.41 | kemu | jelly so i copy source code folder with the kernel to debian right? |
| 16:59.06 | jelly | huh? |
| 16:59.18 | jelly | kemu: no, just /boot/{vmlinuz,System.map,initrd}-version and /lib/modules/version/ |
| 16:59.51 | kemu | ok i will try don't leave |
| 16:59.59 | jelly | AFK |
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| 17:02.50 | johnkeates | i'm getting two Hash Sum mismatches on "testing/main", anyone else experience this? im using " http://cdn.debian.net" |
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| 17:03.37 | rec001 | does anyone have experience with preseeding? |
| 17:03.38 | greycat | johnkeates: ask #debian-next on OFTC. That's where they use testing and unstable. |
| 17:04.05 | johnkeates | oki |
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| 17:06.06 | locrian9 | Can someone check why this patch isn't working? Original file: httpsheck out wmctrl, thanks. |
| 17:06.09 | locrian9 | 22:06 < locrian9> Jason and Halfwit: Maybe you can check this out. Again...patching, my favorite pasttime. I've done a git clone of 'http://git.suckless.org/dwm' into a folder. Then using this PKGBUILD status: already exists |
| 17:06.13 | locrian9 | 22:06 < locrian9> url: https://ptpb.pw/4Gdn |
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| 17:06.32 | locrian9 | bad pasting above nevermind... |
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| 17:06.54 | locrian9 | <br/> |
| 17:07.02 | locrian9 | <br/> |
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| 17:07.07 | locrian9 | <br/> |
| 17:07.28 | markybob | locrian9, you're making it really hard not to /ignore you |
| 17:08.08 | locrian9 | I know with all the traffic on this room, that really confused everyone. |
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| 17:09.00 | kemu | jelle: lib/modules is folder with links not actual modules |
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| 17:09.31 | kemu | how can i copy actual modules? |
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| 17:10.55 | locrian9 | Can someone check why this patch isn't working? Original file https://ptpb.pw/4Gdn with this patch https://ptpb.pw/Wey8, and then I'm getting this output https://ptpb.pw/S9xA. |
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| 17:12.39 | catbehemoth | using exim4 I am trying to redirect root email to a gmail account when I mail root it works but when I mail root@debian or root@localhost I get the email in my gmail inbox and a second email saying that root@debian cannot be resolved, I have root@localhost: myemail@gmail.com in /etc/email-addresses, why is it still trying to resolve localhost? |
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| 17:14.13 | markybob | catbehemoth, i use postfix. it uses /etc/aliases. i assume exim4 does as well. so add something like root: email@gmail.com |
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| 17:15.49 | catbehemoth | markybob: that will cover root but I need root@debain and root@localhost forwarded too, do I add root@localhost: myemail in aliases? cause man /etc/aliases only gives username: email or other user name as example, no email: email examples |
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| 17:16.55 | markybob | catbehemoth, i fail to see a difference. it should work for all root |
| 17:16.58 | Acos | whats better....guided disk or LVM? |
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| 17:17.16 | Acos | entire disk or LVM thats the real question |
| 17:19.08 | kemu | where is that damn jelly helper |
| 17:19.23 | kemu | he's gone! |
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| 17:19.57 | catbehemoth | markybob: you are telling me that in aliases having root: myemail@gmail.com will cover root, root@hostname, root@hostname.domain? |
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| 17:20.42 | markybob | catbehemoth, if it's being sent by localhost to root, root@hostname whatever, yes |
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| 17:21.24 | angell | My current apache build uses /var/www folder. What if I needed to add more websites in the future? How does each domain get its own folder and how does my vps know how to handle requests? |
| 17:21.54 | Acos | apache virtual hosts? |
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| 17:22.03 | Acos | or subdmains? |
| 17:22.16 | tharkun | I have a busted hdd on a workstation that used to run windows. It seems the nic supports PXE what are my choices in Debian or what should I look for in google to set this up? |
| 17:22.26 | markybob | angell, https://debiantalk.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-debian-8/ |
| 17:22.42 | johnkeates | tharkun: check out netboot.xyz |
| 17:22.46 | Acos | adios amigos |
| 17:22.58 | angell | markybob: thanks;) |
| 17:23.26 | catbehemoth | markybob: whan I do echo 'Code red'| mail -s 'Hacker Alert' root I get the message to my gmail fine if I do echo 'Code red'| mail -s 'Hacker Alert' root@debian (debian is my hostname) then I get 2 emails, one delivering the hacker alert message and the other saying Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: |
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| 17:24.01 | rec001 | see ya |
| 17:24.06 | catbehemoth | markybob: root@debian |
| 17:24.11 | markybob | catbehemoth, then you might want to ask â#exim |
| 17:24.21 | markybob | catbehemoth, like i said, i'm a postfix man |
| 17:24.25 | catbehemoth | oh that exists ... sorry didnt know |
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| 17:24.36 | catbehemoth | markybob: ok Ill try thanks for trying |
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| 17:28.40 | jelly | kemu: you want the /lib/modules/4.4.whatever/ directory and all its contents |
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| 17:29.31 | kemu | jelly: it has couple of links and when i try to copy to debian it says i have too many levels of symbalc links |
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| 17:33.14 | jelly | kemu: what are you using to copy? Are you making a tar and copying it over and unpacking, or what? |
| 17:33.31 | kemu | i do cp -R |
| 17:33.52 | kemu | debian is in vm |
| 17:33.55 | jelly | kemu: if you have problems copying a directory, maybe using a nondefault kernel and init systen is out of your league, sorry |
| 17:34.02 | kemu | i copy to some shared folder |
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| 17:34.35 | jelly | I'd make an archive, copy it to the other machine, and unpack it there |
| 17:34.42 | kemu | jelle: maybe i can tar and untar imstead of cp -R? |
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| 17:34.52 | kemu | right good advice |
| 17:35.25 | jelly | don't highlight poor je'lle, they are not me |
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| 17:36.49 | nebg | hello everyone... do somebody here uses visual boy advance or higan to emulate game boy games ? i installed visualboyadvance but can't play most roms.... |
| 17:36.55 | nebg | only a japanese rom worked... |
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| 17:38.59 | kemu | jelly: ok i copied what's next? |
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| 17:47.03 | Sayona | Hello |
| 17:47.26 | Sayona | I try to enable a virtual host : ERROR: Site site2.localhost.com does not exist! |
| 17:47.30 | Sayona | is for testing... and not work |
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| 17:48.55 | lukas` | Hi, I try to use debian wheezy image on a mini board but I am unable to see init messages on Serial line, just the kernel line. I followed changes in inittab on http://wiki.linuxservertech.com/index.php?action=artikel&cat=9&id=155&artlang=en but it did not help and I am out of ideas. Could anyone help? |
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| 18:00.34 | Sayona | I fix it |
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| 18:02.51 | melt | markybob: thank you for answering, sorry, got lost between VMs. I am simply trying to install the AMD catalyst proprietary graphics driver which needs to build a kmod, and that is failing because it doesnt find that file, i am wondering if i need to symlink something |
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| 18:03.04 | kemu | who can help to make use of gen2 kernel? |
| 18:03.50 | Psychiatrist | Is there a lightweight .ppt viewer, LibreOffice seems a bit much if I only want to look at the slides. Using Debian Jessie currently. |
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| 18:04.46 | gr8 | so I installed localepurge. Now what? My locales are still there. When I run localepurge as root, it just exits |
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| 18:12.42 | karlpinc | Psychiatrist: I like debtags for searching.... |
| 18:12.47 | karlpinc | !tell Psychiatrist about search |
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| 18:13.05 | lukas` | What init is used in wheeze - systemd or SysV init? |
| 18:13.20 | lukas` | I ask since I see some systemd directories |
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| 18:14.18 | Sky2939 | Hi... ;3 I had a question regarding pure-ftpd, is anybody familiar with this |
| 18:14.29 | karlpinc | lukas`: sysv is the default. There could be a systemd package, dunno. |
| 18:14.38 | karlpinc | !tell Sky2939 about ask |
| 18:14.39 | lukas` | karlpinc: thanks |
| 18:14.40 | knite | I'm trying to replace a janky debian package build script (for internal applications) with git buildpackage (and jenkins-debian-glue). I'm a bit stuck - I keep seeing references in docs to the "upstream" branch, but I can't figure out what this means or represents? |
| 18:15.06 | karlpinc | knite: It probably means what's in git. |
| 18:15.43 | karlpinc | knite: You can ask about packaging in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, if you don't get an answer here. |
| 18:16.01 | karlpinc | knite: "upstream" is the project that's developing the source code. |
| 18:16.06 | knite | karlpinc: nope - http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.intro.html there's a "debian" branch which defaults to master in git, but there's also "upstream". |
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| 18:16.53 | knite | karlpinc: okay, so, er, if I have a standard project layout - master branch, feature branches are cut and merged back, sometimes tagging for deployments, what is "upstream"? |
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| 18:17.57 | karlpinc | knite: Well, if it's your project, you are upstream. If you've forked another project, the project you forked is upstream -- if you forked to send back patches and are not starting a new project. |
| 18:18.08 | karlpinc | knite: Sorry if this is not helpful. |
| 18:18.38 | markybob | !upstream |
| 18:18.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upstream is where Debian developers download software from. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/developer-duties#upstream-coordination |
| 18:18.56 | karlpinc | markybob: Thanks. |
| 18:19.23 | lukas` | Any ideas about wheezy init using ttyS0? |
| 18:19.46 | karlpinc | lukas`: Someone setup a serial console? |
| 18:19.59 | knite | yep, haven't done any of that - internal projects that are not forks of existing projects. so does that mean git buildpackage's "debian" branch == "upstream" == git master, or do I need to tell it there's no upstream...? |
| 18:20.04 | karlpinc | lukas`: (In which case it wouldn't be init, it'd be the kernel.) |
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| 18:20.08 | lukas` | karlpinc: I try to do that and it works on kernel but not for init |
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| 18:21.00 | Sky2939 | karlpinc: So I'm running a Nginx webserver with debian 8. I am paying a web designer to work on my website, the only issue is that I don't want the web designer to have access to my entire webserver. My friend recommended pure-ftpd. I've installed the program and enabled virtual-chroot and the program works wonderfully. I can connect as the user and only see /var/www/ as root directory, the only issue is that I can't connect via SSL (i'm already running ssl |
| 18:21.06 | karlpinc | lukas`: It does not work in your initramfs? |
| 18:21.20 | lukas` | karlpinc: in other words, I have the inittab configured, kernel line set in bootloader, I see the "Starting kernel ..." to input:... |
| 18:21.24 | Sky2939 | I've issued the following command: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd --tls=2 & |
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| 18:21.37 | lukas` | karlpinc: what do you mean in your initramfs? |
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| 18:22.46 | karlpinc | Sky2939: You want to ask the channel. In any case, I'd give the designer a user account, possibly in the www-data group, and let them use sftp. Ftp sucks. |
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| 18:23.44 | markybob | Sky2939, i can show you my vsftp config that uses encryption. i dont use pure-ftpd |
| 18:24.04 | karlpinc | lukas`: A serial console is not setup in inittab. What are you really trying to do? (Regular serial access is setup in inittab with a getty.) |
| 18:24.33 | Sky2939 | markybob: Thanks... issue is that I want to stick with a very secure solution. pure-ftpd does offer encryption, i'm just having issues getting the encryption to work |
| 18:24.44 | karlpinc | Sky2939: I'd also recommend vsftp, if you _must_ use ftp. But really, ssh is better and simpler to setup. |
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| 18:24.56 | Sky2939 | i've heard from a very experienced source that pure-ftpd is much more secure then allowing somebody to ssh directly into your server |
| 18:24.57 | markybob | Sky2939, heh. you think vsftpd isn't secure, eh? |
| 18:25.10 | markybob | heh |
| 18:25.18 | markybob | okay |
| 18:25.41 | SerajewelKS | Sky2939: ssh is not insecure if you configure it properly |
| 18:25.45 | Sky2939 | markybob: hmmm never heard of vsftp |
| 18:25.51 | tharkun | Sky2939: your source is very versed in pure-ftpd. ssh is the 200lb gorilla to beat. |
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| 18:26.19 | markybob | Sky2939, you should look it up. what you/they said makes no sense |
| 18:26.27 | karlpinc | Sky2939: If you don't want somebody to use ssh, just configure it so that they can use sftp only. But if you trust them to develop your site you should be trusting them enough to give them shell. It's only user-level access after all. |
| 18:26.37 | lukas` | karlpinc: silly me - I've forgotten to check the boot args and I missed rootwait switch which was hiding the fact that the root filesystem was not found ... so no Init even started |
| 18:26.48 | karlpinc | Sky2939: sftp is like ftp that works, securely. |
| 18:27.08 | greycat | sftp is a file-transfer protocol that runs on top of ssh |
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| 18:27.18 | Sky2939 | karlpinc: indeed, just wanted an easy solution to limit them to only the /var/www directory over secure ftp |
| 18:27.45 | Sky2939 | i heard i could use chroot, but it could be a pain to setup vs something like pure-ftpd |
| 18:27.51 | greycat | Sky2939: ask in #openssh. Short answer: it's not easy. |
| 18:28.04 | greycat | It's also 99.9% pointless. |
| 18:28.14 | karlpinc | Sky2939: Put them in the www-data group and let it go. |
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| 18:28.40 | markybob | Sky2939, https://systembash.com/evaluating-ftp-servers-proftpd-vs-pureftpd-vs-vsftpd/ |
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| 18:28.59 | greycat | Evaluating ftp servers? Is that like evaluating buggy whip manufacturers? |
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| 18:29.14 | Sky2939 | greycat: thank you for your advice |
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| 18:29.23 | Sky2939 | karlpinc: I will look into this |
| 18:29.24 | Kristure | Anyone know of an open sourced sms gateway that supports custom sender ID? |
| 18:29.41 | markybob | greycat, yeah but with encryption is not so bad. i thought it hilarious that it was said to be more secure than ssh though |
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| 18:30.15 | greycat | The really BAD part about ftp is how you open a new connection in the opposite direction (except, unless, ...) for every file. |
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| 18:30.28 | karlpinc | Sky2939: Anything involving ftp is painful to firewall -- Why put yourself throught that? |
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| 18:30.48 | greycat | Server firewalled? Then you have to do X. Client firewalled? Then you have to do Y? BOTH firewalled? Can't do it! |
| 18:31.06 | Tundr4 | Hi all. For some reason Xorg gets stuck with llvmpipe. Here's what the kernel says at startup: firmware: failed to load nvidia/gm204/fecs_inst.bin (-2) |
| 18:31.10 | karlpinc | greycat: You can, but you need a ftp proxy on the firewall. (*blech*) |
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| 18:31.25 | greycat | Yeah, requires special hacks. |
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| 18:32.26 | karlpinc | (Gosh. Nvidia comes with a feces install now. Cut's straight to the point...) |
| 18:32.28 | markybob | Sky2939, if you change your mind here's the config i use with tls encryption. https://paste.debian.net/plain/379391 |
| 18:32.40 | Kristure | greycat: That was an answer to me? |
| 18:32.57 | Tundr4 | karlpinc: I forgot to specify: I'm trying to use nouveau |
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| 18:33.02 | karlpinc | Kristure: Proably not. |
| 18:33.14 | Kristure | karlpinc: Ahh okay |
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| 18:33.17 | karlpinc | Tundr4: Sorry for the snide comment. I really don't know anything about it. |
| 18:33.22 | Tundr4 | I have modesetting, but mesa gets stuck to llvmpipe. |
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| 18:33.26 | Tundr4 | Oh lol okay |
| 18:34.01 | knite | still a bit stuck - git buildpackage keeps outputting gbp:error: upstream/1.0.0 is not a valid treeish . 1.0.0 is the version I've placed in debian/changelog, but I have no branch called upstream, per earlier... |
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| 18:34.10 | Sky2939 | markybob: i'm installing vsftpd now.. thank you :) hopefully this allows me to do what i need |
| 18:34.24 | karlpinc | Kristure: I like using debtags to search, YMMV. Don't see anything with a sms keyword.... |
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| 18:34.32 | karlpinc | !tell Kristure about search |
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| 18:35.22 | karlpinc | knite: Might do better on the channel dedicated to packaging etc. (#debian-mentors, irc.debian.org) |
| 18:35.31 | knite | karlpinc: excellent, thank you! |
| 18:36.30 | knite | channel topic over there says only questions relating to packaging for the official debian archive, not general packaging. :-/ |
| 18:37.21 | markybob | Sky2939, btw there is #vsftpd on freenode if you need further help |
| 18:37.33 | DoctorD90 | guys, i would set my exim service to receive only mail from outside. how should I config it? |
| 18:37.41 | karlpinc | knite: Oops. Sorry. Usually there's folks here who know more.... |
| 18:37.41 | DoctorD90 | (or do you suggest postfix?) |
| 18:37.53 | greycat | to receive only from outside... what? |
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| 18:38.13 | karlpinc | DoctorD90: It does not really matter. Re-run "dpkg-configure" on the package and it should give you a one-click option for that setup. |
| 18:38.13 | greycat | I don't understand why you would want to receive from outside but NOT from local sources like cron. |
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| 18:38.38 | karlpinc | DoctorD90: Er, yah. It will receive local mail. |
| 18:38.49 | DoctorD90 | no..wait... |
| 18:38.54 | DoctorD90 | sorry to all. I mean. |
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| 18:39.13 | karlpinc | Sky2939: Really, openssh is going to give you more security and more options. |
| 18:39.23 | DoctorD90 | do as it does now (local mail), and plus, allow receiving outside mail, but without send to outside |
| 18:39.43 | DoctorD90 | this is a better explaination..sorry! |
| 18:40.00 | karlpinc | DoctorD90: I'm pretty sure that's a "canned" option. Haven't done it in a while. Maybe not. |
| 18:40.13 | greycat | doesn't know off hand |
| 18:40.28 | karlpinc | DoctorD90: (If you use postfix you can turn off the smtp daemon in master.conf and that will prevent talking smtp to anywhere.) |
| 18:40.38 | DoctorD90 | blocking outcoming traffic, even if anyone success to hack mail srver, he cant send spam :P this is my point :) |
| 18:40.39 | karlpinc | outbound |
| 18:40.48 | markybob | DoctorD90, is this a home box? |
| 18:41.02 | DoctorD90 | karlpinc, what do you mean with "canned"? |
| 18:41.07 | DoctorD90 | markybob, server on ovh |
| 18:41.11 | greycat | "Canned" means it's one of the choices in the menu. |
| 18:41.17 | DoctorD90 | ah ok |
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| 18:41.21 | greycat | As opposed to requiring you to manually edit a file or similar. |
| 18:41.31 | DoctorD90 | yea yea, gotcha |
| 18:41.33 | DoctorD90 | thx :) |
| 18:41.34 | karlpinc | DoctorD90: "dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>" presents you with a set of "canned" choices for configuring the <packagename> package. |
| 18:41.35 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: if you want to ensure that if the mail server is compromised that mail can't be sent, you would have to configure a firewall rule to reject outbound TCP connections on port 25 |
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| 18:41.56 | markybob | DoctorD90, can you telnet localhost 25 ? |
| 18:41.58 | SerajewelKS | this assumes you aren't running your mail server as root |
| 18:42.03 | DoctorD90 | SerajewelKS, this start to sound a little complicated :P |
| 18:42.18 | DoctorD90 | markybob, never tried... |
| 18:42.19 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: so a good question to ask yourself at this point is "do i want to run my own mail server" |
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| 18:42.30 | markybob | DoctorD90, try it |
| 18:42.33 | karlpinc | DoctorD90: Well, he's suggesting adding security by adding layers, so that if one layer breaks the other is still there. Best practices. |
| 18:42.36 | greycat | SerajewelKS: maybe he only wants to stop people who are clever enough to break into his box but not clever enough to telnet to port 25 on the destination server. |
| 18:42.54 | DoctorD90 | yes SerajewelKS ....unfortunatly, to get apcahce certificate for free from starssl, i need to just receive mail on server :P |
| 18:43.05 | greycat | !xy |
| 18:43.06 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to do proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 18:43.27 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: so configure the mail server not to relay, then do the starssl process, then disable the mail server |
| 18:43.40 | markybob | DoctorD90, what? that's a thing? use letsencrypt.org |
| 18:43.51 | DoctorD90 | SerajewelKS, eh....and if starssl send me some mail to check validity? or other stuff? |
| 18:44.06 | DoctorD90 | markybob, i dont like that kind of stuff :P |
| 18:44.09 | greycat | dpkg, xy =~ s/to do proceed/to proceed/ |
| 18:44.09 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'to do proceed', greycat |
| 18:44.16 | DoctorD90 | and it is yet used for phising sites :P |
| 18:44.21 | greycat | dpkg, xyproblem =~ s/to do proceed/to proceed/ |
| 18:44.21 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:44.24 | markybob | DoctorD90, what kind of stuff? things that work and don't make you jump through hoops? |
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| 18:44.41 | markybob | DoctorD90, wtf |
| 18:44.47 | SerajewelKS | greycat: i'm not sure i understand what you mean |
| 18:45.00 | markybob | DoctorD90, did telnet work? |
| 18:45.04 | greycat | SerajewelKS: Basically, I agree with you and think he's being silly. |
| 18:45.06 | SerajewelKS | greycat: "blocking outcoming traffic, even if anyone success to hack mail srver, he cant send spam" <-- that's pretty much what he asked for |
| 18:45.27 | SerajewelKS | of course one should just configure the mail server properly... |
| 18:45.28 | DoctorD90 | markybob, i like much more fix and set stuff by hand. Get control over my machine, instead to leave a program controlled by *someone* the rigth to grant me a certificate or not..or get something ...i dont like it :P |
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| 18:45.46 | karlpinc | greycat: Ooh. You made it into a wiki example. ;-) |
| 18:45.46 | markybob | DoctorD90, so answer our questions |
| 18:45.49 | greycat | Configuring the mail server properly won't stop someone bypassing the mail server. |
| 18:46.00 | greycat | karlpinc: that's my wiki |
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| 18:46.11 | markybob | gives up |
| 18:46.19 | SerajewelKS | greycat: indeed. but the issue here is that he hasn't really clarified exactly what attack he's trying to prevent. |
| 18:46.27 | kemu | where is that jelly |
| 18:46.32 | karlpinc | greycat: Don't tell me that. I need heros! |
| 18:47.11 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: the letsencrypt client is open source |
| 18:47.17 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: i use it on several machines |
| 18:47.29 | SerajewelKS | it's not like what it does is some huge mystery |
| 18:47.47 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: did you write your mail server yourself? how do you know it's not "a program controlled by someone" |
| 18:48.44 | DoctorD90 | lol....ok. start from begin. Many people I have heard told me that mail servers are most used to send spam, and also used to be hacked. So I thougth to just block the "send" skill of mail server and config the ability to receive the mail from outside. |
| 18:49.00 | DoctorD90 | SerajewelKS, if i'd time i do it :P but i havent time unfortunatly :P |
| 18:49.09 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: that's exactly my point |
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| 18:49.14 | greycat | DoctorD90: but this is not the beginning. Why do you want a mail server at all? |
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| 18:49.31 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: you seem willing to trust some random person who wrote a mail server, but not some random person who wrote a client that automatically acquires a certificate for you |
| 18:49.37 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: i'm saying that your reasoning is very faulty |
| 18:49.54 | markybob | i still haven't heard a telnet answer |
| 18:50.10 | greycat | I mentioned it in passing a few minutes back. |
| 18:50.39 | Raven737 | Hi, I want to make a backup of a live system to a NAS. What is the best way? Dump? Or try to just tar / ? I don't know much about linux. Thank you! |
| 18:50.39 | DoctorD90 | oh greycat i thought i had wrote before. to get apache certificate from starssl, i need to receive mails on the server for which i ask the certificate :) |
| 18:50.49 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: that's not the beginning |
| 18:50.54 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: the beginning is "i want an ssl certificate" |
| 18:50.59 | DoctorD90 | markybob, i have to do it :P but if i do, i cant reply to you :D |
| 18:51.11 | markybob | DoctorD90, how does that make sense? |
| 18:51.20 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: letsencrypt is a much better option than starssl, and you haven't given a good reason not to use them |
| 18:51.23 | DoctorD90 | okok...i need a certificate so...other stuff about startsll |
| 18:51.24 | markybob | i don't even care. |
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| 18:51.30 | karlpinc | Raven737: What sort of live system? Your own desktop or some server that a zillion people are constantly writing to. |
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| 18:51.40 | DoctorD90 | i need to run on other service too SerajewelKS |
| 18:51.51 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: what does that even mean |
| 18:51.55 | DoctorD90 | and i dont like letsencrypt way of think |
| 18:52.20 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: run *what* on *what* other service |
| 18:52.23 | DoctorD90 | and i think i have not language skills to explain "why" well :P |
| 18:52.35 | Raven737 | karlpinc: a console only server that doesn't do a lot. Not databases, just some log file activity, no need for a consitent snapshot or such. |
| 18:52.37 | karlpinc | DoctorD90: Who sold you the domain? Often you get email service from them. You could use that. |
| 18:52.39 | DoctorD90 | use the ssl certificate on znc too |
| 18:52.53 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: nothing is preventing you from using the ssl certificate from letsencrypt on whatever you want |
| 18:53.04 | hit_ | hi I just got a new server running Debian 7. I have installed python 3.5 on it and now Im trying to install lxml. The thing is it runs out of memory compiling it. I have tried to add more swap but looks like it is locked by the hosting. How can I install it? |
| 18:53.05 | karlpinc | Raven737: The NAS is mounted on the box? |
| 18:53.12 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: i use the cert i acquired from letsecrypt on my www server, my ldap server, my imap server, my smtp server, and lots of other servers |
| 18:53.12 | Raven737 | karlpinc: yes |
| 18:53.24 | DoctorD90 | karlpinc, nope...unfortunatly i purchase a .ovh domain, and they dont gives any kind o certificate in bundle...only if i pay(as always) |
| 18:53.37 | greycat | hit_: build it on a different computer (same OS, same arch) and copy it over |
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| 18:54.01 | DoctorD90 | SerajewelKS, so at each renew i should renew all other certificates |
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| 18:54.17 | hit_ | greycat: I dont have anyone available right now, is it the only way? |
| 18:54.17 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: there is only one certificate |
| 18:54.23 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: it's used by multiple services on your machine |
| 18:54.25 | karlpinc | Raven737: Probably rsync is the best choice. With -x and maybe, if you want lots of backups with --link-dest. Or use something like rsnapshot that provides a layer on top of rsync. |
| 18:54.47 | greycat | hit_: find a precompiled lxml somewhere? Not as good IMHO. |
| 18:54.47 | DoctorD90 | by the way...i very thanks you, but i dont like to use letsencrypt, i like to get a certificate and hand it manually :) |
| 18:54.47 | karlpinc | Raven737: If you want a single file, use tar with it's compression flags. |
| 18:54.49 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: when you renew it you need to reload/restart each service, yes. you would have to do this with ANY certificate provider. |
| 18:55.18 | DoctorD90 | SerajewelKS, yea...once per year over 1 each 30 days... |
| 18:55.19 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: you can use letsencrypt "manually". the scripts i have that use letsencrypt do not use its automatic mode, just the mode where it downloads the certificate. |
| 18:55.26 | karlpinc | Raven737: Be sure you use the tar option that tells it not to cross filesystems too. (You don't want to backup /dev/zero!) |
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| 18:55.29 | hit_ | greycat: yep, youre right, but I need to get it going today. Thanks |
| 18:55.31 | DoctorD90 | it starts to became a little boring at a certain point :P |
| 18:55.48 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: the scripts i have will do this, then copy the certificate to a few places (for legacy services) and then restart those services automatically. i don't even have to think about it anymore. |
| 18:55.57 | SerajewelKS | DoctorD90: you seem to be trying to make your job harder instead of easier |
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| 18:56.13 | DoctorD90 | SerajewelKS, i repeat my self. I dont like letsencrypt. i prefer learn to manage a mail server, and get from startssl. so I will not use letsencrypt :) |
| 18:56.25 | SerajewelKS | okay. good luck. |
| 18:56.30 | DoctorD90 | thx :) |
| 18:56.36 | markybob | i don't care if you like it or not. your complaint was email and you won't even try telnet |
| 18:56.45 | karlpinc | Raven737: What is the purpose of this backup? |
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| 18:57.57 | DoctorD90 | markybob, im installing telnet and trying it :) |
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| 18:59.14 | DoctorD90 | markybob, unable to connect :) |
| 18:59.47 | markybob | DoctorD90, great. see? so it has nothing to do with your certificate. you messed up your exim config. next stop is #exim |
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| 19:00.18 | DoctorD90 | oh yea :D because i have to config exim (or postfix) for incoming traffic :P |
| 19:00.42 | DoctorD90 | and i was also asking a tip by you guys, if is better exim or postifx :) |
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| 19:02.49 | greycat | Neither one is demonstrably "better" for every purpose. You'll just get opinions. |
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| 19:04.43 | SuperNull | hey guys kinda random as hell but .. can 'curl' recursively download ftp ? (like a windowed ftp choosing to download a folder..) |
| 19:04.57 | kemu | how can i generate initrd? |
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| 19:05.35 | greycat | SuperNull: I don't know about curl, but lftp can. |
| 19:05.42 | quantic | nmnwhjk.k/ml;"< |
| 19:05.47 | quantic | whoops |
| 19:05.53 | SuperNull | hm |
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| 19:06.10 | SuperNull | lftp isn't a default package right? |
| 19:06.15 | SuperNull | er bae. |
| 19:06.16 | SuperNull | base. |
| 19:06.17 | greycat | neither is curl |
| 19:06.21 | SuperNull | hmmm |
| 19:06.26 | SuperNull | touche |
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| 19:07.55 | kemu | how can i generate initrd? |
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| 19:09.22 | SuperNull | why you need initrd? |
| 19:09.51 | DoctorD90 | greycat, your opinion about exim and postfix? |
| 19:09.54 | kemu | i lack initrd |
| 19:09.54 | greycat | He's been asking for hours how to use some post-4.4 Gentoo kernel on a Debian VM or something. But he spells Gentoo "gen2" and he's super vague. |
| 19:10.06 | greycat | DoctorD90: I use qmail. |
| 19:10.09 | kemu | haha |
| 19:10.31 | kemu | and no one can give an answer |
| 19:10.43 | kemu | how to build that damn initrd on deb |
| 19:10.53 | nkuttler | kemu: how did you build the kernel in the first place? |
| 19:10.56 | markybob | wow. i never realized he meant gentoo by gen2. i just ignored it and had no idea |
| 19:10.57 | nkuttler | !tell kemu about kp |
| 19:10.58 | greycat | !tell kemu about kernel handbook |
| 19:11.08 | kemu | nkuttler: i build on gen2 |
| 19:11.12 | markybob | kemu, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
| 19:11.20 | rattking | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.39 | SerajewelKS | speaking of initrd, i asked this earlier. i have two LUKS-encrypted disks. when i update the initramfs from that machine's environment, on the next boot the kernel panics. |
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| 19:11.59 | kemu | via make && make modules_install && make install && genkernal initramfs |
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| 19:12.08 | markybob | kemu, no don't do that |
| 19:12.09 | SerajewelKS | if i update the initramfs from the install CD in rescue mode, chroot'd into that machine's root volume, then on the next boot it comes back up correctly |
| 19:12.25 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: root filesystem not in /etc/crypttab ? |
| 19:12.26 | rattking | genkernel is gentoo specific |
| 19:12.28 | markybob | kemu, you follow the guide like grecat, nkuttler and i linked you to |
| 19:12.29 | SerajewelKS | i have no idea why update-initramfs would screw up only when not running in the installer environment |
| 19:12.39 | markybob | greycat* |
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| 19:13.01 | kemu | markelite: it's standard procedure for gen2 i am not gotin to do it on debi i want to use already created vmlinuz and systemmap |
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| 19:13.07 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: the root filesystem is in an LV contained in one of the encrypted disks, so... kinda? |
| 19:13.11 | kemu | AND modules |
| 19:13.19 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: it's still puzzling that the installer environment makes it work |
| 19:13.38 | DoctorD90 | greycat, XD another choice so? XD qmail? ....i have to do another search :) thx |
| 19:13.39 | markybob | kemu, you want us to care what gentoo (stop calling it gen2) standard procedure is? |
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| 19:13.53 | markybob | kemu, that's not how debian works |
| 19:14.05 | greycat | DoctorD90: *sigh* if you are a mail beginner, which you seem to be, just stick with one of the more popular choices, so you can get help more easily. |
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| 19:15.20 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: iirc the installer detects all your encrypted partitions... anyway, incorrect crypttab was the only problem i ever had |
| 19:16.01 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: let me pastebin a few commands |
| 19:16.20 | SerajewelKS | i've triple checked it but maybe there is something i'm not seeing |
| 19:16.53 | DoctorD90 | greycat, qmail is not so popular? thx for suggest :P i will come back to exim or postfix xD |
| 19:16.53 | kemu | well i saw your manual it dscribes buidling a kernel from source |
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| 19:17.08 | kemu | can't i use gen2's kernel? |
| 19:17.08 | markybob | kemu, yes, not the way you listed. the proper debian way. |
| 19:17.24 | FeignInt | kemu , grab the gentoo kernel source and use make-kpkg, install resulting debs |
| 19:17.36 | kemu | ok |
| 19:17.45 | markybob | FeignInt, kemu no, don't use make-kpkg |
| 19:17.48 | markybob | !make-kpkg |
| 19:17.48 | dpkg | make-kpkg is no longer the recommended method for building kernel packages. See <kernel handbook> for current instructions. It can be used to make a debian package for a custom kernel. See man make-kpkg, <kp mantra>. NOTE it does not automatically create header packages, needed for module-assistant and dkms. |
| 19:18.01 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/379396/ |
| 19:18.12 | markybob | why can't people read the guides we've posted three times? it's not that hard |
| 19:18.26 | greycat | For the same reason he can't spell the word Gentoo. |
| 19:18.44 | greycat | Despite allegedly being a Gentoo user. |
| 19:18.51 | kemu | because after hours of waiting for the answer you becomes crazy |
| 19:19.16 | markybob | kemu, what ended your ability to read? |
| 19:19.25 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: one of sda5_crypt or sdb5_crypt is your root fs? |
| 19:19.28 | rattking | kemu: just take your .config and build the kernel the debian way, this way it iwll make .deb packages for the kernel,modules, and headers plus it will build a initrd for you |
| 19:19.38 | kemu | imagine you read all those chs for hours |
| 19:19.52 | greycat | Read cheese? What? |
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| 19:20.06 | kemu | ok i will start it and will report |
| 19:20.19 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: my root FS is a logical volume contained solely in sda5_crypt |
| 19:20.33 | nkuttler | mmmh |
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| 19:21.40 | SerajewelKS | sda5_crypt contains / and half of /home; sdb5_crypt contains the rest of /home. during normal boot the VG partially activates to get / mounted then sdb5_crypt gets unlocked later, the VG totally activated, and /home mounted |
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| 19:23.33 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: would it be helpful for me to show the exact kernel panic message? |
| 19:23.54 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: probably not, that's not something i've done |
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| 19:24.13 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: ok. let me know if i can provide any other info. |
| 19:24.27 | SerajewelKS | it's a very perplexing issue to me |
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| 19:44.38 | SerajewelKS | when the kernel panics is it possible to pgup to see more of the detail? |
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| 19:44.51 | SerajewelKS | or some other mechanism by which i can capture all of the kernel messages up to that point? |
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| 19:45.55 | greycat | I think it depends on the panic. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. |
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| 19:47.12 | SerajewelKS | shift+pgup doesn't seem to work |
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| 19:47.42 | johnny0 | SerajewelKS: have you updated your /etc/default/grub to enable cryptodisk? i have a similar setup, and iirc i had to preload luks and lvm as well |
| 19:47.43 | greycat | Then either the scrollback buffer on that VT is lost already, or the entire VT system is locked up, or the keyboard is locked up, or... god knows what. |
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| 19:48.57 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: should that matter? note that the only difference between a working and non-working system is the initramfs. |
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| 19:49.29 | SerajewelKS | even the scripts that generate the working and non-working are the same, as the working one i generate in a chroot of the root volume. |
| 19:49.37 | SerajewelKS | the only different is that i booted from the install CD when it works |
| 19:49.40 | SerajewelKS | difference* |
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| 19:51.58 | SerajewelKS | ok i used vga=... to give me more vertical space |
| 19:52.28 | SerajewelKS | the error is "Initramfs unpacking failed: no cpio magic" \n "/bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 19:52.35 | SerajewelKS | followed by the usual "attempted to kill init" |
| 19:52.39 | SerajewelKS | so at least i have something to google now |
| 19:54.30 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: ^ |
| 19:54.50 | SerajewelKS | this message makes it sound like update-initramfs is generating an initrd in a bad format? |
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| 19:56.22 | SerajewelKS | this is making less and less sense |
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| 19:57.49 | johnny0 | SerajewelKS: do you have a separate boot partition? |
| 19:57.58 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: yes |
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| 19:58.08 | johnny0 | perhaps it's not being mounted on a normal system restart, but you are mounting it in recovery mode |
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| 19:59.04 | johnny0 | so when you generate a new initramfs, it's going to your root partition, and then there's a panic because the root partition is encrypted |
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| 19:59.33 | SerajewelKS | i'm actually wondering if maybe the issue is that it's not mounting /boot yeah |
| 19:59.42 | johnny0 | but via recovery cd, you are actually installing to the (unencrypted?) boot partition |
| 20:00.07 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: if that were the case then generating a new initramfs from the real environment wouldn't have any effect, right? |
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| 20:00.15 | SerajewelKS | because it would grab the one from /boot? |
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| 20:01.04 | johnny0 | may want to check your fstab just to be sure /boot is being mounted |
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| 20:01.14 | SerajewelKS | the one generated from the install CD is 303 bytes smaller if that means anything |
| 20:01.34 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: keep in mind that i'm running the same command to regenerate it, chroot'd into the root volume |
| 20:01.40 | SerajewelKS | so it's seeing the same /etc/fstab, the same /etc/crypttab, etc |
| 20:03.41 | SerajewelKS | however, /proc/mounts will be different. hmm... i wonder if that's related. |
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| 20:08.05 | johnny0 | SerajewelKS: may be worth running lsblk just to be certain your /boot partition is actually mounted on your regularly-booted system |
| 20:08.58 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: it is. i'm going to extract the two initrds and diff them. |
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| 20:11.53 | SerajewelKS | the only difference is etc/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 20:12.20 | SerajewelKS | when i uncompress them, they are identical |
| 20:12.26 | SerajewelKS | i'm so confused |
| 20:13.37 | SerajewelKS | the two initrds appear to contain identical content |
| 20:13.48 | SerajewelKS | yet the system won't boot with one of them |
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| 20:21.38 | johnny0 | SerajewelKS: does generating a new initramfs call update-grub? |
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| 20:28.40 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: don't think so |
| 20:28.47 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: i'm checking mtimes to make sure |
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| 20:29.56 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: doesn't seem to have changed anything. i moved the working initrd out of the way before generating the broken one, so i'm going to just move the working one back and see if it boots. |
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| 20:33.28 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: it boots just by swapping in the other initrd |
| 20:33.36 | SerajewelKS | it seems that either the kernel or update-initramfs is broken |
| 20:33.54 | SerajewelKS | but i'll be damned if i could tell you which and why |
| 20:34.13 | SerajewelKS | i'm not even sure to whom i should report this |
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| 20:34.35 | SerajewelKS | the good news is i have two blobs, one of which works and one of which doesn't. so hopefully someone who lives in the kernel world could tell me why the broken one is broken. |
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| 20:36.29 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: ^^ you might find this interesting, too. i have two initrds, one of which works and one of which doesn't. they appear to contain identical content when i extract and diff them. |
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| 20:36.50 | SerajewelKS | the broken one causes a "no cpio magic" panic |
| 20:36.57 | jelly | gremlins. |
| 20:37.17 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to decide if i'm more or less confused now that i've narrowed it down a bit |
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| 20:43.18 | dementorr | Hello! I have a question: I have two hard drives (sda and sdb), on sda1 I have Linux, on sdb1 Windows 8, I installed windows first, and right now I'm on linux. I tried to reset grub (with update-grub, os-prober, boot-repair) but nothing works... I can mount the windows partition on linux, but I cant boot it. What can I do?? |
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| 20:44.13 | kemu | how can i install mesa 11.1 to wheezy? |
| 20:44.29 | greycat | WHY are you using wheezy for a 3d desktop box |
| 20:44.42 | SynrGy | ouch |
| 20:44.42 | kemu | it's in vm |
| 20:45.01 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 20:45.01 | SynrGy | why are you doing 3d in a vm? |
| 20:45.02 | greycat | WHY are you using a wheezy VM for a 3d desktop box |
| 20:45.02 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 11.1.1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 11.1.1-2; sid: 11.1.1-2 |
| 20:45.16 | jelly | kemu: what are you planning to use that vm for"? |
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| 20:45.33 | kemu | i just want to test virgl |
| 20:45.37 | SerajewelKS | kemu: this isn't the box where you're trying to install a gentoo kernel on debian is it |
| 20:45.43 | SynrGy | surely there are better ways |
| 20:45.51 | jelly | kemu: use jessie and install mesa from jessie-backports |
| 20:46.00 | kemu | and when they make support for windows i will play games |
| 20:46.12 | kemu | i cant upgrade to jessies because many things will break |
| 20:46.17 | johnny0 | SerajewelKS: very strange indeed -- i hope you're able to find out why |
| 20:46.25 | jelly | kemu: what things? |
| 20:46.27 | kemu | i can try backports for wheezu? |
| 20:46.27 | SynrGy | then install a fresh jessie VM and test there |
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| 20:47.00 | SynrGy | are the things that will break in any way related to your testing? |
| 20:47.02 | jelly | clone the vm, read jessie release notes and test upgrades |
| 20:47.14 | kemu | no |
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| 20:47.29 | kemu | i just need new kernel and mesa to get support for virgl |
| 20:47.36 | kemu | as i was informed |
| 20:47.55 | jelly | kemu: that can't be done within the confines of your debian release of choice. |
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| 20:48.05 | jelly | Next question! |
| 20:48.07 | kemu | jelly: already tryed upgrading to jessie which made os unusable |
| 20:48.27 | jelly | kemu: did you read jessie release notes? |
| 20:48.28 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: me too. it makes no sense. |
| 20:48.31 | kemu | i am compiling new kernel maybe it will work |
| 20:48.54 | kemu | and then i need either new deb of mesa or compile it too i prefer deb |
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| 20:49.25 | jelly | kemu: I'll be honest here: you're going against the grain here. The best way forward is to do a release upgrade to jessie and fix any remaining issues. |
| 20:49.44 | jelly | anything else is just wasting your and our time |
| 20:49.48 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i've given up trying to help kemu. everything he's asked how to do has been a terrible idea so far. earlier he was asking how to install a gentoo kernel on debian. |
| 20:50.05 | jelly | SerajewelKS: that wasn't actually a horrible idea. |
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| 20:50.17 | jelly | a custom kernel can fix things |
| 20:50.33 | jelly | and kernel is a fairly isolated component |
| 20:50.34 | kemu | well i need to test my new kernel |
| 20:50.40 | kemu | but it compiles damn slowly |
| 20:50.41 | SerajewelKS | it can, but surely a vanilla kernel would be a far better option than another distro's customized kernel |
| 20:50.57 | greycat | The horrible-idea part was that he was trying to use a 4.4.1 kernel (higher than Debian experimental's!) on Wheezy. |
| 20:50.58 | jelly | SerajewelKS: same difference |
| 20:51.05 | kemu | i think it's some general kernel |
| 20:51.17 | kemu | may work or not i will soon find out |
| 20:51.30 | jelly | in any case I think we exhausted the sensible options |
| 20:51.41 | kemu | patience |
| 20:51.53 | kemu | i will inform you of the result |
| 20:52.04 | jelly | may exercise patience-by-+q |
| 20:52.53 | cnygaard | I am having troubles with generating a valid MD Raid unattended seed file for the Debian installer. |
| 20:53.11 | cnygaard | is there a part-man expert recepie generator out there or good examples? |
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| 20:54.09 | SerajewelKS | johnny0: i'm trying to summarize what i've found in one line so that i can ask it again, and hopefully any people familiar with the kernel could help me |
| 20:54.16 | SerajewelKS | but this is a damn hard problem to summarize |
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| 20:54.54 | SerajewelKS | i could ask debian-user but it's tedious to subscribe just to ask one question |
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| 20:55.37 | Sedna | Hi, I am using debian jessie and I upgraded most packages using "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" |
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| 20:56.58 | Sedna | Hi, I am using debian jessie and I upgraded most packages using "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade". Now I'm having trouble with cairo-dock and Iceweasel. Iceweasel keeps crashing and Cairo-dock doesn't work properly and flickers. |
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| 20:57.10 | markybob | Sedna, that's not how you upgrade releases |
| 20:57.17 | markybob | !tell sedna about wheezy->jessie |
| 20:58.00 | jelly | markybob: they've patched up their jessie, not done a release upgrade. |
| 20:59.02 | markybob | jelly, with all due respect as an opt you make a lot of assumptions |
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| 20:59.55 | jelly | "that's how I'm reading all of their two lines" |
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| 21:00.46 | johnny0 | SerajewelKS: yeah i'm not sure how to phrase it either -- i'm just going off of similar experiences |
| 21:01.12 | jelly | Sedna: which release did you have installed before those two commands? |
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| 21:01.50 | jelly | markybob: let's see whose assumptions are right! |
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| 21:02.43 | SerajewelKS | i've not seen anything on google about update-initramfs creating initrds that cause a "no cpio magic" panic |
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| 21:02.55 | SerajewelKS | AFAICT my problem is unique :( |
| 21:03.15 | greycat | SerajewelKS: I found some hits from Slackware in 2006-2007 |
| 21:03.26 | SerajewelKS | and again, the kicker being that when i extract the initrds and diff them, there aren't any differences |
| 21:03.44 | SerajewelKS | except one gzipped file which, when both are gunzipped, compare as equal |
| 21:03.47 | greycat | I'd look at how they are archived/compressed, not the contents. |
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| 21:04.08 | SerajewelKS | greycat: they are archived the same way. that's what makes no sense. they are created with the same root volume. |
| 21:04.27 | SerajewelKS | the same update-initramfs creates both of them |
| 21:04.58 | SerajewelKS | the broken one is generated by update-initramfs in a successfully-booted machine. the other is created by using the install CD rescue mode to chroot into that same root volume and run update-initramfs there. |
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| 21:05.24 | Free_beard | did the kernel change? perhaps the broken one is missing that decompression code? I am guessing here... |
| 21:05.36 | SerajewelKS | no the kernel is the same |
| 21:05.43 | SerajewelKS | i can swap out the two initrd files (i saved them) |
| 21:05.50 | SerajewelKS | the broken one always panics, the working one always works |
| 21:05.50 | greycat | The kernel on the rescue CD is the *same* as the kernel on disk?! |
| 21:05.58 | SerajewelKS | greycat: that's not what Free_beard was asking |
| 21:06.07 | SerajewelKS | the kernel that attempts to boot the two initrds is the same |
| 21:06.16 | SerajewelKS | using* the two |
| 21:07.06 | SerajewelKS | the kernel used to create the two is indeed different -- but again i am chroot'd into the same volume to create the two initrds |
| 21:07.35 | Sedna | jelly: I have Debian 8, I only upgraded the packages |
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| 21:07.44 | greycat | Winner: jelly. |
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| 21:07.52 | mices | at /debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ there's two different gz files that both contain a 1gb boot.img file with different dates, which is the one i need there's boot.img.gz and initrd.gz |
| 21:07.57 | SerajewelKS | the fact that the contents compare as equal is the most perplexing part |
| 21:08.16 | markybob | two out of three :P |
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| 21:09.04 | Vasistha | what's the name of that standard linux sysutil I can use to get file info like creation,modification dates, ownership, etc ? |
| 21:09.05 | markybob | there's a debian conference in vegas soon, right? :P |
| 21:09.08 | greycat | Vasistha: ls |
| 21:09.18 | SerajewelKS | the "cpio magic" appears to be identical in both cases as well. the first six bytes of both gunzipped initrds are "070707" ascii. |
| 21:09.23 | SerajewelKS | erm 070701 |
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| 21:09.45 | bazhang | ,v sl |
| 21:09.46 | judd | Package: sl on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.03-16; wheezy: 3.03-17; jessie: 3.03-17; sid: 3.03-17+b1; stretch: 3.03-17+b1 |
| 21:09.49 | jelly | markybob: pot, meet kettle |
| 21:09.56 | markybob | heh |
| 21:10.39 | jelly | Sedna: did you log off and back on, or reboot, since those upgrades? |
| 21:10.44 | Free_beard | Vasistha: stat is probably what you want |
| 21:10.52 | Vasistha | Free_beard: yes!! thanks |
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| 21:12.30 | jelly | Sedna: because patching up libraries can sometimes introduce instability in an already running environment |
| 21:13.11 | Sedna | yes I rebooted |
| 21:13.18 | Jay2k1 | as seen today with libc6 |
| 21:13.23 | SerajewelKS | is anything that update-initramfs puts in the initrd dependent on the system clock? such as a timestamp? |
| 21:13.39 | SerajewelKS | running update-initramfs twice in a row, i get two initrds of different sizes -- up to 500 bytes different |
| 21:14.12 | kemu | should i first install linux image or linux headers? |
| 21:14.35 | kemu | or linux-libc-dev? |
| 21:14.54 | markybob | kemu, if you have them as debian packages just dpkg -i foo*.deb and it'll be fine |
| 21:14.54 | SerajewelKS | if i gunzip the images, they are all the same size |
| 21:15.23 | Sedna | jelly: When I run iceweasel from the terminal and open facebook (for example), I get the next message and then iceweasel crashes. (iceweasel:4732): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_memory_get_sizes: assertion 'mem != NULL' failed |
| 21:15.24 | Sedna | Segmentation fault |
| 21:15.24 | Sedna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:16.53 | SerajewelKS | maybe the cpio archive just has different timestamps |
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| 21:16.59 | SerajewelKS | still -- i can't figure out why one boots and one doesn't |
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| 21:19.24 | SerajewelKS | is anyone smarter than me willing to take a look at a working and non-working example to see if they can spot any differences that would cause the "no cpio magic" error? |
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| 21:20.28 | jelly | Sedna: pastebin the outputs of: 1. "apt-cache policy iceweasel gstreamer1.0-libav gstreamer1.0-plugins-good" 2. "apt-cache policy" 3. "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" as root |
| 21:21.56 | zln | Hi guys. I have a problem but I don't know if it's debian or virtualbox related. Could be the router too but I start here. I have a x86 debian guest system. Host is win7. Network is bridged. The problem is, debian doesn't get access to internet on boot. I have to login as root and run `service networking restart` and then it starts working. The network is configured with static ip. |
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| 21:25.14 | zln | btw, ifconfig output is the same before and after restart of networking |
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| 21:26.29 | rsync | stupid question from a newbie : is the grub2 bootmanager installed into mbr or on /boot? |
| 21:26.30 | dutchfish | zln, hard to diagnose from that, but i would start checking you initialisation of your vnet when the vm starts |
| 21:26.41 | Sedna | jelly: iceweasel: |
| 21:26.43 | Sedna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:27.30 | dutchfish | zln, never had those problems on any of my vm's with debian since a very long time |
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| 21:28.28 | mtn | rsync: mbr or the efi partition, depending on whether legacy or uefi boot |
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| 21:29.20 | rsync | perfect thx. i was not certain of the scenario of dualboot but you respond my question, thx! |
| 21:29.21 | SerajewelKS | rsync: you can install it wherever you want during the install process |
| 21:29.34 | SerajewelKS | so the answer is "it depends what you chose" |
| 21:29.48 | zln | dutchfish: I'll check on #vbox too :) |
| 21:30.14 | dutchfish | zln, i user neither of them, solely xen, kvm and containers |
| 21:30.15 | rsync | ok.. they talk about 2 stages, the bootloader from mbr loading the bootlodader from /boot and the kernel |
| 21:30.22 | rsync | i was not sure in case of dualboot |
| 21:30.33 | teraflops | zln: service networking restart is deprecated. Also how did you configure the network? Interfaces file? If yes, are you sure the interface gets up at boot? |
| 21:31.39 | rsync | and when i say : install it not in mbr, but in /boot ? |
| 21:31.49 | rsync | what are the exact stages in case of dualboot? |
| 21:31.50 | zln | teraflops: i edited /etc/networking/interfaces and ifconfig output seem right |
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| 21:32.15 | rsync | ah lol i understand.. |
| 21:32.17 | rsync | k |
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| 21:32.36 | teraflops | zln: may you pastebin that file to paste.debian.net? |
| 21:32.58 | rsync | btw : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAFUd1ZwB8 |
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| 21:37.24 | zln | teraflops: I'll do that. But so you know. the network works fine after restart so the file should be good. you mentioned that service network restart was deprecated. What to use now? |
| 21:38.45 | SerajewelKS | greycat: i'm looking at mkinitramfs and i don't see anything that would cause it to build differently |
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| 21:39.03 | SerajewelKS | the -H option to cpio seems to generate cpio archives with a specific type of magic |
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| 21:39.10 | SerajewelKS | it unconditionally uses -H newc |
| 21:39.30 | zln | teraflops: http://paste.debian.net/379418 |
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| 21:41.33 | SerajewelKS | the cpio tool is able to extract both. this makes me think that there might be a subtle bug in the kernel's cpio code. |
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| 21:44.06 | dutchfish | zln, i think you still need `allow-hotplug eth0` just in case your vnet is not ready when your vm's kernel wants to initialize eth0 |
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| 21:45.10 | zln | dutchfish: I feel hopeful again :-) |
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| 21:45.38 | dutchfish | zln, could you test that? |
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| 21:47.09 | yeehi_ | Is there a problem with mono being accepted into Debian Testing, at the moment (Stretch) |
| 21:47.48 | zln | dutchfish: not right now but I will. But now when I thing about the whole thing. The guest worked nice when I installed it on my computer. The problem started when I moved the .vbox and .vdi file's to my couisins pc. Wonder if it's his crappy router |
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| 21:48.14 | teraflops | zln: yeah if you can check it now change the auto eth0 for allow hotplug eth0 and reboot |
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| 21:48.46 | dutchfish | zln, either that, or that lan is different or slower, so that might explain why it works on networking restart |
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| 21:49.13 | dutchfish | zln, try that with allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 21:50.05 | dutchfish | zln, also check if that vmhost is proparly configured regarding vnet |
| 21:50.09 | zln | dutchfish: I'll do that. I could do it right now and restart but if it don't come up, then I need physical access to the host or teamviewer |
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| 21:50.33 | dutchfish | zln, better not on my watch ;) |
| 21:50.58 | teraflops | zln: if the.issue persist maybe switching to Nm might help |
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| 21:51.48 | zln | dutchfish: :) |
| 21:51.55 | kemu | unfortunately i could not boot with 4.4.1 kernel |
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| 21:52.10 | zln | a guy at #vobx says I should reconfigure network to catch my cousins pc mac adress |
| 21:52.13 | teraflops | zln: then wait till you are there. |
| 21:52.19 | kemu | small flash happens and then black screen |
| 21:52.40 | zln | I asked a few questions but he insists on same explenation. I don't know how to catch new mac address on configs :) |
| 21:52.45 | dutchfish | zln, not in earlier debian's, it's mac is one configured at install |
| 21:52.50 | kemu | could anyone link me to debian source of 4.4.0? |
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| 21:53.17 | kemu | jelly: here? |
| 21:53.25 | dutchfish | zln, its hidden somewhere in udev net rules |
| 21:53.36 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 21:53.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 21:53.43 | zln | teraflops: what is nm? |
| 21:54.05 | nkuttler | kemu: it's in experimental |
| 21:54.09 | zln | he means the host mac I think |
| 21:54.13 | jelly | kemu: not really |
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| 21:55.00 | teraflops | zln: either systems service with machanger or pre-up line with the new Mac I think hmm or better I believe there's a option in vbox for changing the mac |
| 21:55.00 | zln | this was the expl. I got: < bekks> zln: I am talking about the MAC address. The MAC address for your VM (being on your cousins computer) is different from the VM's MAC address on YOUR computer. So re-setup the static IP settings in your guest, catching the NEW MAC address. |
| 21:55.06 | dutchfish | zln, if it is an earlier debian, you can safely remove that net rule, it will be created again with a proper mac on next boot |
| 21:55.21 | teraflops | zln: network manager |
| 21:56.06 | zln | teraflops: I mentioned to the guy that I went in to settings on vm and renewed the mac adress of guest there but then I got that explanation :) |
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| 21:56.20 | nkuttler | zln: or man 5 interfaces |
| 21:56.21 | zln | dutchfish: debian 8 |
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| 21:56.35 | zln | I'll check it up nkuttler |
| 21:56.57 | nkuttler | zln: hwaddress |
| 21:56.57 | teraflops | dutchfish: I Don get that explanation. |
| 21:56.58 | dutchfish | zln, as far as i know, it is automagically now adapted (not sure, my mem left me for 8) |
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| 21:57.40 | dutchfish | teraflops, in earlier debian a mac was generated and stored in a udev net rule and wasnt changed automatically |
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| 21:58.05 | teraflops | dutchfish: yeah but only when you clone vms |
| 21:58.19 | teraflops | I don't see that issue here |
| 21:58.29 | teraflops | Unless zln forgot to say that |
| 21:58.37 | zln | I renewed the mac on vbox gui settings for network card. And when the vm was up, I checked that it was the same in guest as the one in gui |
| 21:58.43 | dutchfish | teraflops, yes, but when you move the vm to another lan, it can create clashes |
| 21:59.01 | dutchfish | teraflops, specially when it runs on a vm host of same making |
| 21:59.23 | zln | I didn't clone, just moved the .vbox and .vdi to new pc and added the vm on virtualbox software on the new pc |
| 21:59.26 | dutchfish | teraflops, the vmhost he is using is not to brite about that |
| 21:59.55 | dutchfish | teraflops, sorry for my poor english |
| 22:00.04 | teraflops | Hmmm. Either way it is easy to find out just deleting the net udev rule and rebooting |
| 22:00.16 | dutchfish | teraflops, yup |
| 22:00.32 | teraflops | dutchfish: nah it's fine mine is even worst heh |
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| 22:00.40 | zln | I have nothing in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 22:01.01 | kemu | as i can see the linux image and linux headers deb files will require a lot of dependencies, i am afraid if i install all of them my os will not boot with older kernels |
| 22:01.15 | dutchfish | zln, innnnn debian 8 all this has changed, so thats fine |
| 22:01.24 | kemu | right? |
| 22:01.24 | greycat | kemu: you're not making ANY sense at all. |
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| 22:01.41 | kemu | u lie |
| 22:01.58 | kemu | it will upgrade the deps |
| 22:02.02 | dutchfish | zln, i stick to my first advice, check that first and if your vnet is properly configured on that host |
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| 22:02.09 | kemu | and i wont' be able to boot old kernels |
| 22:02.12 | teraflops | Then I guess is not your issue. zln when you have access to the host just try all this things we discussed here |
| 22:02.19 | greycat | Package: linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:02.22 | greycat | Depends: linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common (= 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2), linux-kbuild-3.16, linux-compiler-gcc-4.8-x86 |
| 22:02.29 | greycat | That's it. It's a very short list. |
| 22:03.18 | zln | I activated the hotplug thing |
| 22:03.36 | dutchfish | zln, dont reboot if you ca not access it right now |
| 22:03.50 | zln | <but I want to :) |
| 22:03.54 | teraflops | zln: you're brave heh |
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| 22:04.03 | dutchfish | zln, dont blame me afterwards ..... |
| 22:04.10 | derdon | what is the recommended way to install pulseaudio equalizer on testing? |
| 22:04.17 | zln | never :) |
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| 22:04.48 | SerajewelKS | here are the two initrds, if anyone particularly feels like looking at them to see why one causes a panic and one doesn't: http://static.chrishowie.com/files/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64.broken http://static.chrishowie.com/files/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64.working |
| 22:04.53 | derdon | trying to install it by downloading the *.deb and dpkg -i *.deb let's me run into dependency hell :O |
| 22:05.06 | SerajewelKS | greycat nkuttler ^ |
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| 22:05.24 | teraflops | derdon: install it and being sure you have the appropriate pulse modules loaded after launching it? |
| 22:05.54 | derdon | teraflops: I have honestly no idea about the pulse modules that have possibly been loaded |
| 22:06.16 | teraflops | derdon: hmm isn't that package in testing? |
| 22:06.21 | derdon | teraflops: no |
| 22:06.31 | teraflops | ... |
| 22:07.02 | teraflops | derdon: also there's no backported version? |
| 22:07.12 | zln | btw should I remove auto eth0 and only have allow-hotplug eth0 or keep both |
| 22:07.31 | derdon | teraflops: how do I find it out? |
| 22:07.34 | kemu | dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process |
| 22:07.34 | dpkg | kemu: okay |
| 22:07.45 | kemu | solution? |
| 22:08.00 | dutchfish | zln, no, you need both |
| 22:08.09 | teraflops | dpkg: there's a factoid for the bot I don't remember |
| 22:08.09 | dpkg | teraflops: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 22:08.23 | teraflops | I.mean derdon |
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| 22:09.14 | derdon | teraflops: sorry, I don't understand your reply. a factoid for a bot? can you elaborate? |
| 22:09.42 | SerajewelKS | derdon: he pasted an error message and the dpkg bot interpreted it as a command |
| 22:10.14 | derdon | SerajewelKS: okayyy |
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| 22:17.05 | dutchfish | zln, the difference is that allow-hotplug starts an interface when the kernel detects a hotplug event, auto will start th enetwork on system start, there is a distintive difference. |
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| 22:19.44 | teraflops | ,v qpaeq |
| 22:19.46 | judd | No package named 'qpaeq' was found in amd64. |
| 22:20.34 | teraflops | derdon: what's the name of that package? |
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| 22:23.28 | derdon | teraflops: pulseaudio-equalizer |
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| 22:24.29 | teraflops | ,v pulseaudio-equalizer |
| 22:24.30 | judd | No package named 'pulseaudio-equalizer' was found in amd64. |
| 22:24.51 | teraflops | derdon: not from debian, am I right? |
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| 22:25.27 | derdon | teraflops: actually only for ubuntu and other distros. I found a deb here: http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-15.10/webupd8-i386/pulseaudio-equalizer_2.7.0.2-5~webupd8~vivid0_all.deb.html |
| 22:25.41 | derdon | but I would like to install it on my debian |
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| 22:26.35 | teraflops | derdon: i don't recommend you to do that, also better do not ask here for support in such thing |
| 22:26.55 | derdon | teraflops: which channel is better suited for those kind of questions? |
| 22:27.02 | teraflops | idk |
| 22:27.04 | beepie | derdon, you can use pacmd |
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| 22:28.07 | SerajewelKS | i opened a bug on initramfs-tools about this issue |
| 22:28.11 | SerajewelKS | we'll see where we get |
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| 22:28.30 | SerajewelKS | based on everything i'm seeing, i'm pretty confident there is a bug somewhere -- if not here then maybe in the kernel |
| 22:28.41 | derdon | beepie: this starts a REPL. how do I use it as an equalizer? |
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| 22:29.21 | last1 | is there a package for gnutls v3.3 ? |
| 22:29.29 | teraflops | derdon: or just wait for https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794650 to be accepted |
| 22:29.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794650 in src:pulseaudio (open, confirmed, help, newcomer): «pulseaudio: please ship the pulseaudio equalizer UI (qpaeq)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-08-05; last modified: 2015-11-01. |
| 22:29.55 | last1 | I'm on Debian Jessie and gnutls-cli --version shows I have version gnutls-cli (GnuTLS) 2.12.23 from 2012 |
| 22:29.56 | beepie | derdon, if you type help, it'll show a command you can use to list loaded modules |
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| 22:31.11 | derdon | beepie: and then � I'm searching for a GUI that works as a system-wide equalizer |
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| 22:32.20 | beepie | derdon, well if your settings are correct, then if would show up |
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| 22:32.59 | teraflops | derdon: are you aware pulseaudio runs as user by default? |
| 22:33.35 | derdon | beepie: ``list-modules`` prints a list of modules with corresponding info. how is that an equalizer? |
| 22:33.40 | teraflops | unless system-wide means other thing there |
| 22:33.51 | derdon | by equalizer, I mean more than just setting the volume. just to make it clear |
| 22:33.53 | teraflops | derdon: no it's not |
| 22:34.05 | teraflops | derdon: i only know of qpaeq |
| 22:35.13 | derdon | ,v qpaeq |
| 22:35.14 | judd | No package named 'qpaeq' was found in amd64. |
| 22:36.13 | derdon | this look like quite an adventure to install: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Equalizer/ |
| 22:36.18 | derdon | *looks |
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| 22:58.58 | beepie | *beeps |
| 22:59.04 | beepie | *and looks* |
| 22:59.22 | taliptako | what |
| 22:59.36 | beepie | looks at taliptako |
| 23:00.05 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 23:00.05 | dpkg | < Pardus_Selcuk> Which Debian version of Windows 7 is more like eating |
| 23:01.49 | beepie | jelly, "<taliptako> are you a bot ?" :) |
| 23:01.55 | beepie | lol |
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| 23:02.27 | jelly | that did not happen in here |
| 23:03.31 | beepie | derdon, pulseaudio documentation in debian for some reason is ahem, missing.. i just use the manpages on the internet.. you can add load-module directives somewhere under ~/.<pulseaudio>/<other conf file> ... when you "kill" pulseaudio it'll reload settings, after you check with pacmd if your module loaded |
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| 23:05.22 | derdon | beepie: my goal is to have a graphical, application-independent equalizer. how will adding load-module directives help me to reach this goal? |
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| 23:07.19 | beepie | derdon, i was relating to your um question there above about how to load modules. Whatever your "larger" goals are I suppose you're tinkering and "importing" things from outside of debian, that I can't help you with. |
| 23:08.14 | derdon | beepie: I don't want to tinker. is there any package in the official debian repositories that let's me have an equalizer? |
| 23:08.33 | derdon | as I found out, pulseaudio-equalizer is not one of them |
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| 23:10.24 | teraflops | derdon: not for pulseaudio afaik |
| 23:10.24 | sine` | hi folks. im watching a video about bash and linux and I have debian installed. there is mention of the /dev/tcp folder yet I do not have that on mine |
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| 23:11.05 | derdon | teraflops: and in general? |
| 23:11.35 | beepie | derdon, find /usr/lib/pulse-5.0/|grep -i eq |
| 23:11.45 | beepie | derdon, maybe look into that module-equalizer-sink |
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| 23:12.14 | SerajewelKS | derdon: you could always build pulseaudio-equalizer from source |
| 23:12.40 | derdon | SerajewelKS: that's true. |
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| 23:13.39 | ChicoPanico | Hi! |
| 23:14.01 | derdon | beepie: I got /usr/lib/pulse-7.1/modules/module-equalizer-sink.so; now what I shall do with it? what do you mean by "look into that"? |
| 23:14.04 | teraflops | derdon: nope if yuore talking of pulseaudio |
| 23:14.08 | SerajewelKS | derdon: sometimes the GUI tools are written in python or some other scripting language, which means that you might be able to extract the ubuntu .deb into your home directory using dpkg-dev and invoke it from there |
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| 23:14.38 | ChicoPanico | Can someone helpme with an iptables rule? |
| 23:14.51 | SerajewelKS | derdon: whether or not that works depends on a few factors, but it might be worth a try |
| 23:14.54 | beepie | derdon, i think that's the same as on that website |
| 23:14.58 | SerajewelKS | derdon: dpkg-deb* not dpkg-dev |
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| 23:15.12 | beepie | derdon, you've got to get used to using everything how pa stuff gets loaded and controlled |
| 23:15.21 | beepie | derdon, otherwise nothing will make sense what is a "sink" |
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| 23:15.27 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 23:15.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:15.29 | SerajewelKS | ChicoPanico: ^^^ |
| 23:15.33 | derdon | SerajewelKS: I downloaded the Python script and after a lot of adjustments (because it uses PyQt4 whereas I have PyQt5), I got the error message "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/1000/pulse/dbus-socket: No such file or directory" |
| 23:15.48 | v^ | whats the correct channel to get help with gdb |
| 23:16.05 | SerajewelKS | derdon: ah, one might be able to fix that by replacing that path with the place where your pulseaudio server puts its socket |
| 23:16.14 | v^ | heh, #gdb im guessing |
| 23:16.16 | v^ | brb |
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| 23:17.09 | derdon | SerajewelKS: ``ls /run/user/1000/pulse/`` returns just ``cli native pid`` |
| 23:17.27 | aarcane | So uh.. Getting a strange error message after apt-get update, which tells me to run apt-get update to fix it. I've pasted some (slightly filtered) output from apt-get and a few other helpful diagnostics, but I'm not sure what to do to fix the.. warning. http://paste.debian.net/379436/ (I've manually checked. Nothing I filtered out is an error, but there are a few ign lines, all expected and normal) |
| 23:17.40 | SerajewelKS | derdon: right, the socket is probably somewhere else |
| 23:17.57 | SerajewelKS | i don't use pulseaudio right now though so i couldn't tell you where it is |
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| 23:18.40 | derdon | SerajewelKS: ok, thanks for your help already anyway |
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| 23:20.59 | SerajewelKS | derdon: np, hope you get it working. i had the same need some time ago and finally just found a music player that had a working equalizer. |
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| 23:22.59 | derdon | damn. the script uses the dbus module to generate the path to the socket and it seems that it's broken. so I can't fix the path in the source directly |
| 23:23.21 | SerajewelKS | :( |
| 23:23.26 | SerajewelKS | can you monkey patch dbus? |
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| 23:27.02 | derdon | SerajewelKS: hmm, I will try |
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| 23:32.02 | beepie | will bb |
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| 23:42.24 | derdon | SerajewelKS: now I get ``dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist`` and can't reproduce it in a python shell using the same values (which gives me a different exception!) |
| 23:42.30 | derdon | what am I doing with my life |
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| 23:43.04 | mices | waiting to be validated |
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| 23:51.26 | teraflops | derdon: heh |
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| 23:52.17 | derdon | (could reproduce it meanwhile in the python shell by the way. didn't do anything different than before) |
| 23:52.19 | derdon | this is normal. |
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| 23:58.33 | aarcane | anyone got any idea for me? strange error/warning on apt-get update? |
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| 23:59.26 | markybob | aarcane, i just came in. didn't see if you've posted before. pastebin your commands/errors and souces.list |
| 23:59.35 | n0arch | aarcane: you provide more info? |
| 23:59.39 | n0arch | can* |
| 23:59.51 | n0arch | distro version and maybe the error message |
| 23:59.53 | markybob | aarcane, sources.list* |
