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| 00:03.04 | TomTomTosch | aarcane, you have old-stable, stable and unstable in your sources.list |
| 00:03.31 | markybob | aarcane, do you seriously? |
| 00:03.53 | markybob | aarcane, please pastebin what i asked |
| 00:04.16 | TomTomTosch | markybob, http://paste.debian.net/379436/ |
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| 00:04.53 | markybob | aarcane, wow. yeah. no one's going to be able to help you there. you can't do that. |
| 00:05.06 | teraflops | derdon: heh i got it working in debian jessie :P |
| 00:05.12 | teraflops | derdon: https://ptpb.pw/jE77.png |
| 00:05.22 | derdon | teraflops: wow, cool! how did you do that? |
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| 00:05.54 | nedstark | don't sweat it, i've had fedora rawhide in mine for 3 years |
| 00:06.26 | teraflops | derdon: i downloaded qpaeq.py then I installed the python and qt packages it was complaining as missed, then I loaded module-equalizer-sink and module-dbus-protocol |
| 00:06.56 | teraflops | and then i just python qpaeq.py |
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| 00:08.26 | derdon | teraflops: what is the program called again to load the modules? |
| 00:08.41 | markybob | derdon, modprobe |
| 00:08.50 | teraflops | pactl load module |
| 00:09.02 | markybob | oh |
| 00:09.05 | teraflops | derdon: i just do tab tab since it has auto completion |
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| 00:10.29 | teraflops | derdon: you can automate this either in pulseadio wide/user config or e.g .xprofile if you use gdm/lightdm |
| 00:11.29 | derdon | teraflops: yay, I could start the application \o/ |
| 00:12.21 | derdon | bad news: I got an AttributeError b/c toPyObject could not be found in ``self.channel_box.itemData(x).toPyObject()`` |
| 00:12.40 | derdon | ⦠and then the application terminated |
| 00:13.01 | derdon | guess it's another one of those PyQt4 â PyQt5 issues |
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| 00:14.00 | teraflops | derdon: it does not "die" here |
| 00:14.26 | teraflops | derdon: im in debian jessie xfce4 + lightdm |
| 00:14.53 | derdon | cool, sound doesn't work at all anymore. and in alsamixer, I cannot select any sound cards at all anymore. shouldn't have loaded those modules :| |
| 00:15.11 | teraflops | derdon: are you in debian jessie? |
| 00:15.23 | derdon | testing, actually. is that jessie? |
| 00:15.59 | teraflops | derdon: well, you can unload the modules or just kill xorg or reboot |
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| 00:16.30 | derdon | gonna reboot. my latest apt-get upgrade also installed a new kernel, among hundreds of other things |
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| 00:16.39 | teraflops | heh |
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| 00:21.13 | aarcane | So uh.. Getting a strange error message after apt-get update, which tells me to run apt-get update to fix it. I've pasted some (slightly filtered) output from apt-get and a few other helpful diagnostics, but I'm not sure what to do to fix the.. warning. http://paste.debian.net/379436/ (I've manually checked. Nothing I filtered out is an error, but there are a few ign lines, all expected and normal) |
| 00:21.48 | markybob_ | aarcane, like i told you. no one can help you mixing olstable with unstable. you can't do that. it's broken. |
| 00:22.14 | aarcane | markybob_, I know it's unconventional, that's why I added APT::Default-Release "wheezy" ; |
| 00:22.41 | aarcane | I actually don't have any unstable packages anymore, just oldstable and stable, for now. |
| 00:23.00 | markybob_ | aarcane, doesn't matter. we can't help you. i highly doubt it, but you may be able to get help from unstable's channel which is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:24.29 | beepie | aarcane, so you don't have any unstable packages but you still have sid in your sources.list |
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| 00:26.11 | aarcane | beepie, I built a few from source as backports. |
| 00:26.31 | markybob_ | aarcane, those weren't deb-src. they were deb |
| 00:27.01 | aarcane | markybob_, so you're kinda (okay, mostly) right. I commented out the deb line for sid, and the next update worked fine. |
| 00:27.07 | beepie | aarcane, why does it say "multiverse" ? |
| 00:27.41 | beepie | oh lol |
| 00:27.46 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 00:28.02 | beepie | i never looked at that.. it actually is in that apt conf file -- normally when i see that it means "ubuntu" |
| 00:28.21 | aarcane | beepie, probably something from the ubuntu peeople got upstreamed? It's in the Never-MarkAuto-Sections block. |
| 00:28.29 | beepie | it must be something i should complain about to the apt package maintainers XD |
| 00:29.18 | aarcane | beepie, actually, it's probably useful. a lot of people end up using "similar" ppas for software not packaged for debian, but packaged for ubuntu. |
| 00:29.49 | beepie | i dont even know if debian uses those |
| 00:29.56 | beepie | i don't think anybody on debian does |
| 00:30.11 | teraflops | !frankendebian |
| 00:30.11 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 00:30.56 | beepie | i mean nobody should even bother to use ubuntu repositories in debian, may ppa's light projects but not large repos |
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| 00:31.33 | aarcane | beepie, by default, no.. but a ppa is literally just an apt repo with a signing key, and a wrapper to configure it, and a build system behind it. I don't have any systems like that in production, but one of the projects I use recommended using that method on debian for a long time until they found a native deb packager. |
| 00:32.22 | markybob_ | aarcane, the whole point that beepie is trying to make is that your set up is nothing we can support |
| 00:32.34 | beepie | aarcane, btw you could add jessie-backports -- not me implying to fix anything, but just the contruction of your sources.list |
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| 00:33.08 | beepie | markybob_, rather multiverse here is in 01autoremove in apt conf, but he is unfamiliar .. he says he doesnt have unstable but still has "sid" defined |
| 00:33.29 | Rui | Oi boa noite a todos ! |
| 00:33.29 | aarcane | markybob_, I commented out the deb for sid, and it's working now anyway. I was preparing for an upgrade to jessie, which is why I have the jessie stuff enabled, and I just added the sid in there for convenience, because I knew I wouldn't be able to install from sid without -t sid |
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| 00:33.48 | Rui | Gaúcho GNU/Llinux |
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| 00:34.19 | Rui | canal inglês ? |
| 00:34.26 | aarcane | didn't think extra unused packages would wreack havoc on apt and aptitude |
| 00:34.35 | beepie | Rui, yeah this is english, looking for #debian-es ? |
| 00:34.36 | Rui | tem português Brasileiro ? |
| 00:34.59 | teraflops | !brasil |
| 00:35.01 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 00:35.06 | teraflops | hmm |
| 00:35.13 | quantic | Rui: Sim. Eu creio que há um canal de Português no #debian-br. |
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| 00:35.19 | abrotman | Rui: #debian-br on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:35.20 | TomTomTosch | rip bot |
| 00:35.33 | teraflops | !br |
| 00:35.33 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:35.35 | Rui | legal obrigado.. |
| 00:35.36 | teraflops | ah |
| 00:35.37 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 00:36.12 | quantic | Rui: Seja bem-vindo! |
| 00:36.45 | quantic | Whew, out of practice. |
| 00:39.39 | aarcane | beepie, markybob_ btw, the correct answer was "Some packages in sid happen to use features that aren't released in debian wheezy's apt yet. They'll show up if you update apt or complete the upgrade process to jessie" |
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| 00:40.39 | markybob_ | aarcane, no. the correct answer is "installing unstable things in wheezy will break shit and isn't supported" |
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| 00:43.07 | aarcane | markybob_, nothing from unstable is installed. Nothing from unstable will be installed unless I specify -t sid, which I never have. Therefore, your response, while a sufficient initial response, is invalidated and becomes.. What's the opposite of helpful? |
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| 00:43.51 | markybob_ | aarcane, that's not how apt-get works. if sid is there you don't have to do -t sid. |
| 00:44.03 | markybob_ | aarcane, i'm sorry you don't understand the basics |
| 00:44.52 | markybob_ | aarcane, you do -t for backports and experimental. not sid. |
| 00:45.08 | teraflops | aarcane so you dont do pining there, you just put sid there and pray for the best? that plus ppas has to be quite an entertainment |
| 00:45.21 | aarcane | markybob_, unless, of course you have APT::Default-Release "wheezy" ; in your apt.conf files |
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| 00:45.51 | aarcane | teraflops, I don't have PPAs. I know other people use them. I swear to shit, do you people even pay attention? |
| 00:46.06 | markybob_ | aarcane, we saw your sources. that's why. |
| 00:46.10 | teraflops | aarcane: ah sorry I misunderstood that then |
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| 00:47.18 | aarcane | teraflops, I use a product that, prior to getting a debian maintainer, recommended that users use a compatible ubuntu PPA to acquire the product. I think it was for deb6. I don't remember the PPA version. I never used that combo, and moved back to debian only once they found a competent debian maintainer. |
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| 00:48.04 | aarcane | markybob_, and anticipating the knee-jerk reaction, I made sure to include the additional information as well, namely apt.conf |
| 00:48.08 | beepie | aarcane, look on the bright side, 8.3 was released on iso about a week ago, and basic desktop installs of debian should not take more than 15 minutes on conventional hardware |
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| 00:48.47 | aarcane | beepie, bah, I've got too much configuration to lose. I just need to upgrade to jessie the old fashioned way. |
| 00:48.55 | beepie | aarcane, you shouuld be using vbox for anything very risky -- this way you can also use snapshots |
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| 00:49.46 | aarcane | beepie, zfs :) I have snapshots. |
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| 00:50.41 | teraflops | aarcane: btrfs works fine in debian this days, I do btrfs + subvols in debian jessie |
| 00:50.45 | beepie | aarcane, then use zfs in virtualbox |
| 00:51.45 | aarcane | beepie, zfs is my vm host. my vms run in libvirt/qemu-kvm. |
| 00:52.25 | axc1298 | is ext5 in the works or is linux most likely going to start using btrfs/zfs? |
| 00:53.23 | beepie | axc1298, what's ext5, that like ext4+ext1 ? |
| 00:53.28 | markybob_ | axc1298, no. the future is btrfs |
| 00:53.59 | markybob_ | axc1298, that's a quote from the kernel's ext4 maintainer |
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| 00:54.08 | beepie | axc1298, guess what happened to ext2 and ext3 modules. the Linux kernel project deleted them. |
| 00:54.12 | beepie | axc1298, ^ |
| 00:54.24 | teraflops | axc1298: zfs in linux? theres a licence issue and it's not in the linux kernel if i recall it well |
| 00:54.27 | beepie | axc1298, maybe they might just bring back ext3 as more featureful than ext4.. ya never know ;-) |
| 00:54.36 | axc1298 | ok so we'll all be using btrfs in a few years? |
| 00:54.44 | beepie | axc1298, maybe |
| 00:54.49 | teraflops | axc1298: you can use it right now |
| 00:54.50 | aarcane | axc1298, someone will reinvent zfs and btrfs by integrating the features into ext5... it'll never catch up, but btrfs and zfs will still be miles ahead. zfs will still have superior testing, validation, and reliability. btrfs will still be moving toward it, but still be easier to use because of licensing BS, and ext5 will become the champion because it's called ext5, and everyone will just want it without thinking about |
| 00:54.50 | aarcane | why. |
| 00:54.58 | beepie | axc1298, why not? |
| 00:55.02 | beepie | axc1298, nobody really needs it |
| 00:55.07 | beepie | !btrfs |
| 00:55.08 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. See also <btrfs gotchas>. |
| 00:55.15 | beepie | yuck |
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| 00:56.08 | markybob_ | beepie, Theodore Tsâo, ext3/4 maintainer says it's better and it's the future. |
| 00:56.10 | aarcane | axc1298, but that's a few years off still, unless you want to start ext5 for us now.. |
| 00:56.28 | axc1298 | teraflops: is it stable enough to use on your main computer? |
| 00:56.32 | beepie | markybob_, gerp! |
| 00:56.37 | tpanarch1st | hello, what is the command to set fail2ban to start automatically on boot please? |
| 00:56.38 | beepie | drinks more booze |
| 00:56.40 | tpanarch1st | debian 8.3 |
| 00:56.52 | abrotman | tpanarch1st: it's supposed to do that on its own |
| 00:57.00 | tpanarch1st | oh right :) |
| 00:57.05 | tpanarch1st | fair enough!! |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | if not, see /usr/share/doc/fail2ban/ ? |
| 00:57.28 | tpanarch1st | yeah i was googling about this point :) how do i test to see if its running on boot please? |
| 00:58.05 | teraflops | axc1298: well i have a couple of jessie servers, but with backported kernels, also several vms with stock kernels, no issues here |
| 00:58.17 | abrotman | tpanarch1st: We don't know your rules ? |
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| 00:59.24 | teraflops | axc1298: https://mediagoblin.mysticemporium.xyz/mgoblin_media/media_entries/12/screencast-1450632779.webm |
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| 00:59.36 | tpanarch1st | oh abrotman :) I just followed this short walk through https://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?t=28678 |
| 00:59.45 | tpanarch1st | and installed fail2ban via apt-get |
| 01:00.10 | markybob_ | tpanarch1st, you're probably fine. if you really want you can PM me your ip and i'll test to see if it blocks me |
| 01:00.35 | axc1298 | teraflops: lol supercow |
| 01:00.49 | tpanarch1st | thanks markybob_ I could have done with that later |
| 01:00.56 | tpanarch1st | i haven't exposed opencloud to the world just yet :) |
| 01:01.34 | axc1298 | teraflops: what do you use to record that. virtualbox? |
| 01:01.38 | axc1298 | pretty cool |
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| 01:04.21 | teraflops | axc1298: the screencast? just a script |
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| 01:16.37 | SpaceAce | I purged the contents of /var/log and now some things aren't working properly |
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| 01:18.05 | deego | SpaceAce: what things? |
| 01:18.11 | SpaceAce | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.17 | SpaceAce | as an example |
| 01:18.50 | markybob | SpaceAce, you could simply touch them. that'll probably fix your issue. touch /var/log/lastlog |
| 01:19.10 | nebg | hello everyone... i have to install a program on a computer on which there is no internet connection... how can i download all the packages needed from another computer with internet connection ? |
| 01:19.10 | SpaceAce | thanks markybob |
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| 01:19.15 | deego | no clue, but i'd guess a reboot would set such daemons happy again |
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| 01:19.37 | aarcane | So uh.. I've read a few guides over the years, and the recommendation always seems to switch back and forth every few years, too.. but apt-get or aptitude? What's the current difference, and which is currently preferred? |
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| 01:20.15 | zykotick9 | aarcane: the cool kidz use apt ;) |
| 01:20.17 | deego | aarcane: i continue to prefer apt |
| 01:20.23 | teraflops | aarcane: I don't.know I just use apt |
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| 01:20.42 | nebg | i for example on red-hat based distro i can use "yumdownloader --resolve nomepgm" |
| 01:20.57 | nebg | and this will download me all the dependency tree... is there something similar on debian ? |
| 01:21.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | aarcane, apt-get's dist-upgrade may resolve dependencies better than aptitude, I think, but the latter can be a nicer frontend for other things. |
| 01:21.11 | deego | nebg: debian can use cds/dvds as a source for apt |
| 01:21.13 | markybob | aarcane, a lot of people will tell you apt. i use it |
| 01:21.32 | nebg | deego, ok but i can't make a cd... i only have usb sticks... |
| 01:21.52 | markybob | aarcane, note apt is different from apt-get |
| 01:22.03 | deego | what's the apt- equivalent for aptitude search ? - the latter only searches packages and their brief one-line descriptions. |
| 01:22.05 | nebg | markybob, how is different ? |
| 01:22.14 | markybob | nebg, man apt |
| 01:22.16 | deego | nebg: no clue :( |
| 01:22.48 | markybob | nebg, basically it tries to merge apt-cache and apt-get |
| 01:23.10 | markybob | nebg, that's a really simplistic and stupid answer but there you go |
| 01:27.12 | nevyn | deego: aptitude search takes a search expression that's actually pretty powerful |
| 01:27.23 | nevyn | deego: but apt-cache search is probably the closest |
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| 01:29.15 | deego | nevyn: yeah, and apt-cache search searches the entire description. |
| 01:29.49 | aarcane | nevyn, aptitude download "~i" is fun, if you're planning on cloning your config to a new host~ |
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| 01:35.30 | MakeFile | Hello how do I create a makefile? |
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| 01:36.02 | markybob | !makefile |
| 01:36.02 | dpkg | somebody said makefile was a file to pass rules and dependencies to <make>. A nice guide to writing makefiles can be found at http://www.la.utexas.edu/lab/software/devtool/gnu/make/Top.html |
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| 01:36.56 | markybob | MakeFile, a lot of sources will make one for you if you run ./configure |
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| 01:40.59 | _future | Hello, I recently got a new keyboard, but when I plug it in it does not work. dmesg outputs "device not accepting address 18, error -" and other errors |
| 01:41.00 | nebg | aarcane, ok what does aptitute download "~i" does ? |
| 01:41.06 | _future | Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 01:42.23 | aarcane | nebg, it downloads the source for every installed package, and stores them in /var/apt/cache. If you're using a local proxy cache, it'll speed future installs. If you're installing the same packages to a new system, you can nfs export the folder, or copy them on a flash drive. |
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| 01:43.08 | nebg | aarcane, how can i set up a local proxy cache ? |
| 01:43.40 | markybob | !apt-cacher-ng |
| 01:43.40 | dpkg | apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>. Its usage is documented at http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/ and alternatives comprise <apt-cacher>, <squid deb caching> and <approx>. |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | _future: what is 'uname -a'? |
| 01:45.24 | _future | Linux Carbon 4.3.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.3.3-7 (2016-01-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:46.42 | _future | abrotman: Sorry, see the above post |
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| 01:49.33 | abrotman | _future: I was thinking your kernel might not have a driver, but that's pretty new |
| 01:50.32 | _future | abrotman: Okay, no problem. The main error seems to be "-71", not sure what that means. The keyboard is brand new, I may try to return it if I cannot use it, it was expensive! |
| 01:50.49 | MakeFile | dpkg: That link is broken. |
| 01:50.49 | dpkg | MakeFile: I think you lost me on that one |
| 01:52.13 | _future | abrotman: Any other ideas? |
| 01:52.53 | MakeFile | markybob: Oh I see. I have a program with multiple files and dependencies. I would like to create a makefile so I can compile it with the makefile. How would I construct the makefile? Is it like a programming language? Are there any programs that create makefiles or you other than CMake? |
| 01:53.13 | markybob | MakeFile, is there a configure file? |
| 01:53.27 | MakeFile | dpkg: Oh I see. What do you mean? |
| 01:53.28 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, MakeFile |
| 01:53.38 | markybob | MakeFile, dpkg is a bot i called to answer you |
| 01:53.42 | MakeFile | Oh your a bot dpkg |
| 01:53.52 | markybob | MakeFile, here are a couple of other guides http://mrbook.org/blog/tutorials/make/ http://www.cs.colby.edu/maxwell/courses/tutorials/maketutor/ |
| 01:53.56 | MakeFile | markybob: Oh I see. You have guys working for you? Nice! |
| 01:54.33 | MakeFile | markybob: No I don't have a ./configure file. I just have the source code for the project. |
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| 01:54.58 | markybob | MakeFile, so this is your own program? not something you downloaded? |
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| 01:57.04 | markybob | MakeFile, okay, then read the tutorials i sent you |
| 01:57.35 | MakeFile | markybob: Correct, this is my own program. |
| 01:57.46 | MakeFile | markybob: Alright, I will take a look at them. |
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| 02:01.47 | _future | abrotman: I have to run but I may be back later |
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| 02:03.05 | cheetahw26 | why in debian by default using securcrt my "" turn into ââ¬Ë ? |
| 02:03.50 | cheetahw26 | seems like a unicode issue, but looks like I'm using UTF-8, i.e. locale -a returns: C, C.UTF-8, en_US.utf8, POSIX |
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| 02:10.25 | dvs | cheetahw26: Just run "locale" and see what LANG is |
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| 02:12.14 | zykotick9 | suspects it's an issue with securecrt... but perhaps that's just because it's a proprietary program... |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | suspects " isn't really " |
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| 02:16.39 | cheetahw26 | lang=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 02:17.09 | cheetahw26 | actually it's strange,the results of that command showed "" fine, so maybe it's just make |
| 02:17.26 | cheetahw26 | i.e. error: unknown type name ââ¬Ëdrm_local_map_tââ¬â¢ |
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| 02:18.15 | dvs | cheetahw26: What are you compiling? |
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| 02:18.19 | opal | 21 36 42 < veelope> could my use of dhcp be causing connection issues? my connection resets every day around the same time, and i've only noticed this for about a month now |
| 02:18.20 | opal | 21 37 15 < veelope> i contacted the network provider who said it was an issue on my end; i shouldnt be experiencing this |
| 02:18.26 | opal | oftc #debian never seems to answer |
| 02:20.45 | cheetahw26 | trying to compile an intel driver to get hdmi audio working on my intel compute stick with kernel 4.3.4... everything else is working, so close |
| 02:22.02 | MakeFile | markybob: Can I run makefiles on Windows? |
| 02:22.31 | markybob | MakeFile, i haven't touched windows in over a decade. i'm sure you could with cygwin or something but i have no idea |
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| 02:24.18 | MakeFile | markybob: Alright, that's alright. P.S Windows 7 is great :) |
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| 02:30.49 | opal | nice joke |
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| 02:34.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | MakeFile, see MSYS/MinGW |
| 02:35.27 | MakeFile | Eduard_Munteanu: For making make files in Windows? |
| 02:35.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | MakeFile, for getting 'make' and related tools on Windows |
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| 02:36.36 | MakeFile | Eduard_Munteanu: Oh I see. So I would be able to make makefile in Windows? |
| 02:36.44 | MakeFile | *makefiles |
| 02:36.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | MakeFile, yes. |
| 02:37.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | http://www.mingw.org/wiki/msys |
| 02:37.11 | MakeFile | Eduard_Munteanu: Great. I have MinGW installed. What do I do now? |
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| 02:43.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | MakeFile, write Makefile, test with make, profit! :) |
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| 02:55.31 | MakeFile | Eduard_Munteanu: :D :) |
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| 04:05.13 | joshumax | Hey all, I was curious as where I might be able to find a comparison for the amount of debian packages available on a given architecture? I took a look at buildd but for the most part it seems to be unhelpful in this regard... |
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| 04:06.08 | joshumax | *vs |
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| 04:15.16 | okee | Can someone recommend a free software program for making web pages, for non-coders? I would like to recommend something for someone? |
| 04:15.59 | beepie | okee, people these days use things like wordpress -- there's a package that installs but I don't know how well out of the box it 'just works' -- (/usr/share/doc/wordpress/<>) |
| 04:16.16 | zykotick9 | okee: libreoffice is a very basic web page editor... |
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| 06:26.39 | yates | is there an command-line pastebin command for debian? something similar to fedora's fpaste? |
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| 06:33.50 | nevyn | !pastebinit |
| 06:33.51 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 06:46.51 | yates | pastebinit only returns http://paste.debian.net - not the actual pastebin |
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| 06:47.18 | yates | cat file.txt | pastebinit |
| 06:47.34 | yates | returns "http://paste.debian.net" |
| 06:48.08 | towo^work | towo@Druck-Buero:~$ pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:48.08 | towo^work | http://paste.debian.net/379461/ |
| 06:48.14 | towo^work | it works on unstable |
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| 07:05.26 | awal1 | Almost all WMs include a static applications menu but not all packs/apps installed are added to that menu even if I run "update-menus". Any clue on how to solve that? |
| 07:06.13 | awal1 | Some apps I installed are added automatically , others not; I dont understand why |
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| 07:20.12 | DiamondSword | hello!!! |
| 07:20.16 | DiamondSword | I want to use Debian |
| 07:20.33 | DiamondSword | I came across here http://ftp.linux.org.tr/debian-cd/8.3.0-live/amd64/ but I don't which one I should download |
| 07:21.05 | DiamondSword | wait a sec |
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| 07:21.20 | DiamondSword | from here http://ftp.linux.org.tr/debian-cd/ which one I should download |
| 07:21.21 | DiamondSword | ? |
| 07:21.37 | r6ku | do you have a 32-bit or 64-bit cpu? |
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| 07:21.50 | DiamondSword | r6ku, I'm 64 |
| 07:21.55 | DiamondSword | amd64 |
| 07:22.08 | r6ku | which desktop environment do you want to use? |
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| 07:22.29 | DiamondSword | I don't know ... which one do you use? :) |
| 07:22.39 | DiamondSword | most people talks about new gnome 3 |
| 07:22.41 | FeignInt | Hi DiamondSword, the most important thing is the cpu 32/64 bit, the others are just different deskops.. but you can switch once installed so don't worry too much |
| 07:23.04 | DiamondSword | FeignInt, If I can change the desktop later, it's ok then |
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| 07:23.20 | DiamondSword | I'm using 64 bit Windows 8.1 |
| 07:23.43 | DiamondSword | when I write on cmd "set processor_architecture" it says amd64 |
| 07:23.44 | r6ku | your options are gnome,kde,mate,cinnamon, xfce & lxde, search for videos/pictures and pick which one looks best to you |
| 07:24.18 | DiamondSword | r6ku, I was thinking it is gnome, but I'll look at others too, ok |
| 07:24.35 | DiamondSword | but as if I'll go with gnome, which one should I download? |
| 07:24.46 | awal1 | DiamondSword, you want a live image for try/test or an install one? |
| 07:24.55 | r6ku | DiamondSword: this one http://ftp.linux.org.tr/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 07:25.03 | DiamondSword | awal1, no tests, I want it for my pc |
| 07:25.04 | r6ku | gnome is the default DE |
| 07:25.06 | DiamondSword | for personal use |
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| 07:26.08 | awal1 | DiamondSword, you have a choice between netinst, cd or dvd images, choose the one you want |
| 07:27.00 | DiamondSword | r6ku, there is also cd-2, do I need it? |
| 07:27.05 | awal1 | personally, I recommend the netinst one, if your internet is ok |
| 07:27.08 | DiamondSword | awal1, I need a dvd iso |
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| 07:27.34 | FeignInt | DiamondSword: the other disks are for offline install ( i.e. so you can use them on a machine with no network ) |
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| 07:27.58 | DiamondSword | ok ok |
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| 07:28.05 | De_Julio | HI friends.. am new to IRC .. |
| 07:28.12 | DiamondSword | how to install debian with netinst? |
| 07:28.13 | r6ku | dvd has more stuff on it, netinst downloads newest packages while installing |
| 07:28.26 | DiamondSword | r6ku, ok friend |
| 07:28.29 | De_Julio | am quiet puzzeled how it works would someone help me please |
| 07:28.35 | r6ku | DiamondSword: netinst -> http://ftp.linux.org.tr/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 07:28.37 | DiamondSword | show me how I can install via netinst |
| 07:28.46 | DiamondSword | ok |
| 07:29.03 | r6ku | it works the same way as the regular cd iso, so no differences there |
| 07:29.21 | FeignInt | DiamondSword: there are a few different images, you will need a network connection , it only has the basics and downloads most of the system during install |
| 07:30.00 | DiamondSword | FeignInt, ok I got i |
| 07:30.04 | DiamondSword | it* |
| 07:30.10 | DiamondSword | r6ku, thank you a lot!! |
| 07:30.21 | r6ku | you're welcome |
| 07:30.32 | awal1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
| 07:30.53 | awal1 | DiamondSword, ^ |
| 07:30.59 | awal1 | choose from there |
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| 07:31.21 | DiamondSword | awal1, ok brother, I'll go with netinst |
| 07:31.27 | DiamondSword | thank you for help |
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| 07:32.18 | awal1 | DiamondSword, will you use ethernet or wireless? |
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| 07:32.37 | DiamondSword | awal1, wireless |
| 07:32.41 | DiamondSword | why? |
| 07:33.19 | awal1 | i wonder if your machine needs a non-free stuff |
| 07:33.25 | FeignInt | hmm, go with a full image not netinstall ( unless you can use a wire) wireless can be a problem .. firmware has to be manually loaded etc.. |
| 07:33.51 | FeignInt | once installed wierless shouldn't be too much of a problem |
| 07:33.54 | awal1 | there are unofficial images including firmwares |
| 07:34.16 | FeignInt | awal1: true true.. but complicates things |
| 07:34.17 | awal1 | I think they are more suitable for laptops |
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| 07:34.49 | awal1 | complicates no, facilitates yes :P |
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| 07:35.46 | DE_julio | வனà®à¯à®à®®à¯ |
| 07:35.47 | awal1 | DiamondSword, your plan is install debian alongside windows 8? |
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| 07:37.30 | DiamondSword | awal1, yes, I'll shrink some space for Debian |
| 07:37.54 | FeignInt | DiamondSword: personally I would recomend you go the liveImage route.. that way you can boot the live image , start the install and still be able to use web/irc during the install incse you need info on options etc. |
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| 07:38.23 | DiamondSword | hmh |
| 07:38.42 | DiamondSword | so? dvd option again for offline installation? |
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| 07:38.47 | oskie | is linux md RAID1 capable of fixing bad sectors by rewriting them automatically from the healthy mirror? i'm getting quite a few "md/raid1:md0: redirecting sector X to other mirror: sdb" |
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| 07:39.11 | r6ku | DiamondSword: is this your first time using linux? |
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| 07:39.44 | FeignInt | DiamondSword: on of the live images from http://ftp.linux.org.tr/debian-cd/8.3.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ and choose Try, you can install from the live session |
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| 07:40.11 | DiamondSword | r6ku, yes :) |
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| 07:41.30 | r6ku | DiamondSword: give linux mint or ubuntu a shot first, you'll have an easier time with them compared to debian |
| 07:42.18 | DiamondSword | I tried Debian once |
| 07:42.32 | DiamondSword | I'm with Debian r6ku, no like for other distros |
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| 07:43.26 | r6ku | okay, do what FeignInt said and try the live image and check that everything is working correctly before installing |
| 07:43.39 | FeignInt | DiamondSword: :D yeah Debian is a good choice.. but I do understand where r6ku is coming from, mint/ubuntu has less hoops to jump through for someone coming from windows |
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| 07:47.07 | awal1 | r6ku, live installers are not supposed to be used for installs, but for live |
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| 07:47.33 | awal1 | they can probably fail during the install process |
| 07:47.39 | r6ku | news to me :p |
| 07:47.47 | FeignInt | oskie: if you replace the disk the raid should resilver, sector relocations are usually haddled at the drive lvl, so if you see problems now chances are disk failier is coming |
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| 07:48.35 | awal1 | DiamondSword, for install debian use an install image , not a live one. but good luck if your plan is install debian alongside windows 8.... |
| 07:48.43 | awal1 | be careful |
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| 07:49.25 | Mads__ | Hello |
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| 07:49.38 | awal1 | you may end with unbootabel debian, or almost unbootable windows too. I just advise you ;) |
| 07:49.49 | FeignInt | awal1: ? why? a liveDVD can install and has the advantage of web/irc for help with install options |
| 07:50.42 | Mads__ | Does anyone know if Debian have an MTU of 1500 on an interface, does it then take account for the ethernet overhead ie 14 byte ethernet header, 4 bytes fcs? |
| 07:50.52 | awal1 | FeignInt, they can achieve the install but they are not designed for that purpose |
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| 08:13.25 | temhaa | Hello |
| 08:13.35 | temhaa | I am new for debian |
| 08:13.39 | temhaa | actually linux |
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| 08:16.08 | FeignInt | Hi temhaa , welcome to the world of linux :D |
| 08:16.51 | temhaa | My application works on the debian server. My application needs some env. variables. for example I must use 'export OCI_HOME=$HOME/oracle/instantclient' What is best practice to put env. variables |
| 08:17.45 | temhaa | I am setting variable using export command but If I logout than its broken |
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| 08:18.06 | temhaa | where should I put my export commands |
| 08:18.24 | temhaa | sorry my english is very bad. I hope I explained my problem |
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| 08:18.47 | FeignInt | personally I find the easiest is to include them in a script which starts the main application.. but you can also put the export in $HOME/.bashrc |
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| 08:19.22 | msn | so finally back to centos6.5/ext3 from jessie/ext4 |
| 08:20.10 | msn | facepalm |
| 08:20.42 | temhaa | FeignInt: $HOME/.bashrc file is best method? So /etc/profile file doing samething for all user, right? |
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| 08:21.08 | FeignInt | temhaa: correct, |
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| 08:23.00 | temhaa | FeignInt: so which one should I choice to use |
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| 08:25.04 | FeignInt | temhaa: well, do you need all users to have it? .. personally I would use the one in home .. and include it in /etc/skel/ ( these are used for newly created users ) |
| 08:25.13 | jusss | if I compile the new kernel, and I can find bzImage in compile-dir/arch/x86/boot/bzImage, and where I can find modules? |
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| 08:26.53 | temhaa | FeignInt: I mean, If I dont login to system it won't be work my export commands(of course If I put to bashrc under the home dir). |
| 08:27.03 | FeignInt | jusss: they are the files ending .ko but really you should use the package manager, see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-kernel-handbook/ for guidence |
| 08:28.00 | temhaa | FeignInt: If I put to bashrc file under the home then I must to login with that user to work my application at least once |
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| 08:28.29 | FeignInt | temhaa: yes, what is the application? how does it start? |
| 08:28.54 | temhaa | FeignInt: my application is nodejs |
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| 08:29.24 | FeignInt | temhaa: :D something I know nothing about, one sec I'll see what I can find |
| 08:29.32 | temhaa | FeignInt: It is using oracle and required oracle modules. Oracle module is working with some env. variables |
| 08:29.57 | jusss | FeignInt: how I can get a size of directory? not the directory file's size |
| 08:30.31 | temhaa | FeignInt: I can put to bashrc and It will work correctly but I am trying to understand how can I do better :) |
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| 08:31.23 | jusss | ok I know, use ls -lh |
| 08:31.30 | FeignInt | jusss: you can use the "du" command see "man du" , I also like to install "ncdu" which is a more powerful version |
| 08:32.25 | jusss | ls -lh can't get what I want :( |
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| 08:33.21 | FeignInt | temhaa: yea, I have to work out how the "service" starts and where it's configs are.. it might be better that you move the config files out of $HOME into a global dir |
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| 08:34.28 | temhaa | jusss: I you have du command you can use du -sh * FeignInt I know some commands but not more ;) |
| 08:35.02 | jusss | FeignInt: temhaa ncdu is good |
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| 08:36.38 | temhaa | jusss: FeignInt I saw new, thanks for new thing |
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| 08:41.16 | temhaa | FeignInt: yes It can be. Thanks for your replies |
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| 08:45.20 | FeignInt | temhaa: ok, I have had a quick look at nodejs ( still not certain where the service starts ), but.. you could try adding your export to /etc/environment ( but do not include export just "OCI_.....=..." ) |
| 08:45.49 | FeignInt | temhaa: oh, you will need root to edit that file |
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| 08:48.49 | frozengeek | hej, I'm running some jessie machines and want to use the systemd user instance, but i keep getting "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused" |
| 08:49.31 | temhaa | FeignInt: I don't have root privileges but I can say to them(who have root privileges) |
| 08:50.22 | FeignInt | temhaa: to be honest it probably isn't the best option, is it a production machine? |
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| 08:52.45 | temhaa | FeignInt: both test system and prod system |
| 08:53.06 | temhaa | FeignInt: we have two machine for this |
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| 08:55.36 | FeignInt | temhaa: well, it should work, it is just I feel there should be some configuration file for it (nodejs), I don't know enough (read as anything ) about nodejs |
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| 09:06.39 | temhaa | FeignInt: I wrote to bashrc under the home for now. :) I can do better after more read |
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| 09:34.35 | testuser123 | Hello, I did a test (LPIC) but I don't understand the question. If Linux detects an ACPI BIOS on bootup, what does it automatically deactivate? |
| 09:34.42 | testuser123 | can someone explain me please? |
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| 09:35.41 | testuser123 | I mean do you know the answer? |
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| 09:38.24 | petemc | testuser123: im not 100% sure but possibly some native power saving features |
| 09:39.15 | testuser123 | do you think it could be APM (advanced power management)? |
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| 09:39.50 | nkuttler | !tell testuser123 about apm |
| 09:39.53 | nkuttler | !tell testuser123 about acpi |
| 09:40.35 | nkuttler | probably just loads the acpi kernel module |
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| 09:42.28 | nkuttler | oh, deactivate.. |
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| 09:45.08 | testuser123 | ok petemc and nkuttler, thanks a lot |
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| 10:11.32 | Muted | Hi, I'm receiving serial data from a microcontroller using an FTDI USB cable. The microcontroller sends \r\n but it seems to get interpreted as \n\n by my computer. (I tested this by writing it to a file and then checked with od -c). I my only option to swap \n\n with \n? Thanks! |
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| 10:12.23 | Muted | or is there a way that I can receive \r\n and interpret that correctly? |
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| 10:13.26 | jelly | how do you know for sure that the microcontroller actually sends \r\n ? |
| 10:14.11 | jelly | Muted: which software are you using for serial communication, did you try messing with stty? |
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| 10:21.51 | Muted | and yes I know for sure, just checked with scope |
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| 10:27.44 | Jonathan_ | what could cause a server to have suddenly all ports closed ? reboot changes nothing, firewall is off and logs are empty |
| 10:28.49 | jelly | Muted: you'll have to learn about tty and line discipline and set up your /dev/ttyUSB0 properly before using it |
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| 10:29.09 | jelly | Muted: there are dozens of settings in man stty |
| 10:29.41 | jelly | Muted: eg. [-]icrnl translate carriage return to newline |
| 10:32.41 | Muted | yes tried that and also ignore cr |
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| 10:33.11 | Muted | but you're probably right that it has to doo with my settings |
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| 10:37.37 | Infiltra1or | So, the entire system seems to be hung now. It just keeps giving the same CPU#1 stuck message. |
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| 10:38.48 | Infiltra1or | It responded to REISUB, at least. Is CPU#x stuck a hardware or software error? |
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| 10:44.09 | DoctorD90 | good morning! I have probably find out a bug in network manager in gnome3. It is related at look of applet. In which bug report I should write? about nm, or gnome? |
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| 10:48.34 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: the nm gnome package |
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| 10:58.55 | DiamondSword | ok I downloaded debian-8.3.0-amd64-CD-1.iso file from here http://ftp.linux.org.tr/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 10:59.03 | KhazAkar | Hi all,I have a problem with making router from PC with Debian |
| 10:59.05 | DiamondSword | but it has 627 mb |
| 10:59.08 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler, ok i looking for it :) |
| 10:59.11 | DiamondSword | isn't it supposed to be larger? |
| 10:59.21 | DoctorD90 | apt-cache search nm gnome |
| 10:59.23 | DiamondSword | or this is the file I need to install Debian |
| 10:59.25 | DoctorD90 | lol sorry |
| 10:59.33 | DiamondSword | ? |
| 11:00.05 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: will you be online during the install? |
| 11:00.19 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: that's just the first full cd, not all of debian |
| 11:00.24 | nkuttler | !tell DiamondSword about netinst |
| 11:00.39 | KhazAkar | Good WiFi card,properly maked hostapd.conf and kernel cannot switch to destinated Channel ;_; |
| 11:00.54 | DiamondSword | nkuttler, no I won't be online during install |
| 11:01.19 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: well you can install base and afaik a basic gui with cd1 |
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| 11:01.33 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: will you be online later? you might want to get dvd images if not |
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| 11:01.59 | DiamondSword | nkuttler, isn't there a way with one shot for Debian? |
| 11:02.11 | DiamondSword | I want an offline install with iso file |
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| 11:02.36 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: there are even different cd 1 images, so no |
| 11:02.36 | DiamondSword | I'm using Windows 8 and I want to install Debian along with it |
| 11:02.56 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: it depends on which desktop enviornment you want. but ofc you can just download the eight or ten dvds, or how many there are.. |
| 11:03.06 | DiamondSword | nkuttler, what cd-1 image gives me? if I install this one, what do I have got? |
| 11:03.15 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: depends on which one you downloaded |
| 11:03.33 | DiamondSword | nkuttler, I downloaded this >>> debian-8.3.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 11:03.47 | DiamondSword | and I want gnome desktop |
| 11:04.00 | DiamondSword | I think it's default with this iso |
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| 11:04.56 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: the default cd 1 should be gnome, so, you should be good |
| 11:04.58 | nkuttler | right |
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| 11:05.32 | DiamondSword | nkuttler, why do you prefer online install? |
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| 11:05.42 | DiamondSword | netinst |
| 11:05.45 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: smaller install image |
| 11:05.53 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: why do you want your system to be offline anyway? |
| 11:05.56 | markybob | DiamondSword, because you only download what you need. faster |
| 11:06.06 | DiamondSword | hmh |
| 11:06.31 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: but you already have the image, don't you? just install it |
| 11:06.32 | DiamondSword | I'm new to this, because I'm afraid to get stuck when installing online :) |
| 11:06.51 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: just get a wired connection and you'll be good. wireless can indeed be tricky |
| 11:07.19 | nkuttler | but now that you already have the cd, just use it |
| 11:07.25 | DiamondSword | nkuttler, do you think how much files in gb does it download with netinst? |
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| 11:07.39 | markybob | DiamondSword, nkuttler wireless is pretty easy if you use the firmware installer. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:07.40 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: totally depends on what you install |
| 11:07.49 | nkuttler | markybob: "pretty" |
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| 11:08.35 | DiamondSword | firmware installer.. unofficial.. markybob what is this? :) |
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| 11:08.57 | markybob | DiamondSword, it's the installer with firmware files which are generally needed for wifi |
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| 11:09.04 | DiamondSword | nkuttler, I just need Debian with minimal settings + gnome desktop |
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| 11:10.15 | DiamondSword | nkuttler and markybob, I asked about the file size because I read somewhere on the Debian site that full image is about 4.4. gb |
| 11:10.31 | nkuttler | DiamondSword: sounds like that's for dvd 1 |
| 11:10.32 | markybob | DiamondSword, of dvd1, yeah |
| 11:10.35 | DiamondSword | but I downloaded 627 mb |
| 11:10.43 | markybob | DiamondSword, that's cd1 |
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| 11:11.03 | DiamondSword | what I miss from dvd-1? |
| 11:11.25 | markybob | DiamondSword, really no idea. i haven't used anything other than netinst in like a decade |
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| 11:11.50 | DiamondSword | ok ... I'll try with what I downloaded first |
| 11:11.54 | DiamondSword | thanks for help |
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| 11:16.34 | KhazAkar | Somebody can Look at my problem? :p |
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| 11:23.48 | aZz7eCh | KhazAkar: can you elaborate on what you asked |
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| 11:24.46 | KhazAkar | Properly made hostapd.conf, supported WiFi card and hostapd cannot switch to destinated Channel |
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| 11:25.10 | KhazAkar | On kernel level |
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| 11:26.27 | KhazAkar | WiFi card are tl-wn553ag and tl-wn551g |
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| 11:37.51 | rimfr0st | Hi! After suspending my computer running Jessie, it fails to connect through the wired ethernet connection. Any advice? |
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| 11:48.51 | nkuttler | rimfr0st: is the interface still up? |
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| 11:49.28 | nkuttler | rimfr0st: try to ifdown/ifup it, see if you dhcp client is still up, maybe reload the kernel driver, who knows.. |
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| 11:51.13 | KhazAkar | Switching the Channel ends with error "-22 (Invalid Argument)" after try to run hostapd |
| 11:51.21 | KhazAkar | Any advice? |
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| 11:56.44 | tazle | Should I interpret "Then the initial part of the remainder of each string which consists entirely of digit characters is determined. The numerical values of these two parts are compared, and any difference found is returned as the result of the comparison. For these purposes an empty string (which can only occur at the end of one or both version strings being compared) counts as zero." at https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version to m |
| 11:57.42 | themill | tazle: irc line limit cut you off at the URL |
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| 11:58.11 | tazle | sorry, should I interpret it to mean that 10 and 1 are equal version numbers |
| 11:58.48 | themill | tazle: no, numerical parts are compared numerically |
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| 11:59.15 | tazle | hm, right, the entire numeric part of course - I guess it means that 1.2 and 1.2.0 would compare equal |
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| 11:59.45 | themill | no, 1.2 < 1.2.0 |
| 12:00.11 | gaurishankar_ | is there any risk inupdating the sources.list file in debian jessie 8.2 |
| 12:00.19 | tazle | where does the "empty string counts as zero" rulethen come into play? |
| 12:01.19 | tazle | "a" and "a0"? |
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| 12:01.55 | themill | tazle: the . is significant |
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| 12:02.13 | themill | !compare versions |
| 12:02.13 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as «dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true». See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version , <version epoch>, <debian revision>. |
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| 12:03.18 | tazle | themill: thank you, --compare-versions seems useful |
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| 12:05.25 | themill | tazle: when it comes to comparing versions with different numbers of parts, the rules aren't always obvious. They have to exist because versions have to be sortable in a defined way, but they are sometimes not what you are used to |
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| 12:06.00 | themill | I always double check before putting a version into a package if there's any potential for making a mistake |
| 12:07.05 | tazle | yes, I'm trying to see if there is a consistent version numbering scheme that would work in both RPM and DEB as well as Maven and Docker, and hopefully also be Semver-compliant... |
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| 12:07.46 | tazle | it doesn't seem to be possible, though, because RPM doesn't allow dashes in version, and Semver mandates dashes to separate pre-release versions from release versions |
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| 12:12.57 | loply | Hi folks |
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| 12:13.47 | loply | I ran an apt-get upgrade on a wheezy server a few days ago, and ever since Dovecot has been serving up mail via IMAP incorrectly, in that it's making no effort to read the multipart mime headers, and the email clients just see all the headers & base64 data as text... Anybody else heard of this? I'm really struggling to get to the bottom of it. |
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| 12:16.45 | HoloIRCUser5 | Test |
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| 12:53.12 | pragomer_1 | hi. I need help with "xrdp"... no matter what username I choose under windows remotedesktopconnection.. I alway "get" to the same useraccount on the debian server .. |
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| 12:55.31 | biubiubiu | can debian run on android's kernel? |
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| 12:56.27 | petemc | yes |
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| 13:02.20 | biubiubiu | petemc: I mean not chroot, it can? |
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| 13:07.36 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: probably, but to what end? |
| 13:08.24 | DammitJim | %user would grant sudo access to the group called user, right? |
| 13:08.47 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: if I can use android's kernel for debian, I mean android-x86's kernel, I can run debian on x86 tablets I think |
| 13:08.54 | blind | yes |
| 13:09.00 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 13:13.02 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: well I don't see why not.. you may need to extract,edit and re-pack the initrd.. not sure how the android-x86 kernels are packaged |
| 13:13.45 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: yes, that's the problem |
| 13:14.09 | blind | What is? |
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| 13:14.54 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: do you know what the bootloader on the device is? |
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| 13:18.17 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: no, but I think if I can pick the kernel from android, maybe I can install debian on it, and work with android's kernel and modules |
| 13:18.47 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: tablets support boot from usb-stick |
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| 13:20.26 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: tbh I would be surprised if someone hadn't already installed a linux disto on your device model .. have you found any such projects with web searches? |
| 13:20.40 | biubiubiu | but debian's installer can't recognize emmc store media, it's a litte bad, installer I mean dd iso into usb-stick stuff |
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| 13:21.16 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: yes, https://wiki.gnome.org/BastienNocera/Ondav975w |
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| 13:21.52 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: and here http://www.jfwhome.com/2014/03/07/perfect-ubuntu-or-other-linux-on-the-asus-transformer-book-t100/ |
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| 13:24.36 | phre4k | okay, so I screwed up by making a new IMAP folder called INBOX which can't be removed inside my client. Where is it in the file system? (Dovecot/Exim4) |
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| 13:26.15 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: so.. any reason you can not follow the same path as those guides? it looks like they are making progress |
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| 13:28.20 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: drivers are really problems, and my tablet not one of them, now I'm stuck in the soundcards driver, put soundcard into cpu is really evil, I mean intel baytrail z3735f |
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| 13:30.02 | biubiubiu | soundcard, battery, touch screen, wifi, all don't work |
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| 13:31.11 | rgr | android's kernel for debian? W |
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| 13:33.29 | sidao | hello everyone , I have issues with Debian testing virtualized with VirtualBox. When I try to launch Xorg, I got a seg fault with an error |
| 13:33.48 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: but they work with the android-x86 kernel you have? |
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| 13:37.06 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: they don't work with android-x86's kernel, they work with normal kernel, because of drivers problems, so I think if debian can run on android's kernel, the drivers's problems are solved |
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| 13:38.45 | FeignInt | sorry biubiubiu: you have confused me.. "" they don't work with android-x86's kernel"" ... ""so I think if debian can run on android's kernel, the drivers's problems are solved"" |
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| 13:39.31 | biubiubiu | android-x86 run on my tablet and drivers are fine. and drivers are mostly kernel modules, so with android's kernel you'll don't think drivers's problems |
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| 13:39.51 | jeddi | biubiubiu: are you really trying to get debian to run on a tablet using an android kernel? |
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| 13:40.21 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: my English is not good |
| 13:40.36 | biubiubiu | jeddi: is that possible? |
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| 13:40.42 | jeddi | biubiubiu: i'm going to say no. |
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| 13:41.23 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: how far with the debian install have you got? |
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| 13:41.32 | biubiubiu | jeddi: http://qnalist.com/questions/6272651/is-it-possible-to-run-ubuntu-with-the-kernel-of-android-x86 |
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| 13:42.40 | flikkes | can you tell me which repository i have to add, to install netbeans via apt? (stable) |
| 13:42.48 | Rackmount | Is OpenSSL version 1.0.1k the most current version available for Debian? I'm only asking because my Slackware box is patched to 1.0.1r, and I wasn't sure if 1.0.1k is proper, or if my system isn't updating properly. |
| 13:42.50 | flikkes | i couldn't find one |
| 13:42.50 | jeddi | biubiubiu: I'm not sure that is a convincing argument that it *can* be done. |
| 13:42.52 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: I don't understand this word...or statement? |
| 13:43.15 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: have you booted debian on the tablet |
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| 13:44.06 | themill | Rackmount: for jessie, yes. Fixes are backported to stable releases. |
| 13:44.36 | jeddi | flikkes: doubt there is one - you may find one for ubuntu that you can make work - but why not just use the installer they ship with it? |
| 13:44.36 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: technically, yes |
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| 13:45.07 | flikkes | jeddi: i'm a person of habit :D |
| 13:45.19 | FeignInt | Rackmount: debian sid is on openssl:amd64/sid 1.0.2f-2 |
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| 13:45.32 | Rackmount | themill: Okay, thanks for clarifying. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't neglected something on my end. :) |
| 13:45.54 | Rackmount | And yes, I should have clarifed, this is Jessie I'm asking about. :) |
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| 13:47.43 | flikkes | jeddi: anyway, thanks for your help |
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| 13:48.46 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: ok , well, you might be able to patch the debian kernel source after looking at the source for the android-x86 source code.. but if it was that easy I don't know why it hasn't already been done |
| 13:49.24 | themill | Rackmount: that means you've got to look at the package version and not just the output from something like "openssl --version" |
| 13:49.38 | themill | ,v libssl1.0 |
| 13:49.39 | judd | No package named 'libssl1.0' was found in amd64. |
| 13:49.57 | themill | ,v libssl1.0 .0 |
| 13:49.58 | judd | No package named 'libssl1.0' was found in amd64. |
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| 13:50.08 | themill | gets grumpy |
| 13:50.09 | themill | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 13:50.11 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u19; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u19; jessie: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; sid: 1.0.2d-1 |
| 13:51.07 | Rackmount | themill: I see. I come from a Slackware background, so I'm still used to vanilla packages. Debian is definitely a different beast. :) |
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| 13:52.01 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: there's another easy way to do that, chroot debian on android x86, like android arm |
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| 13:54.44 | sidao | mmmh ... I have "xf86EnableIOPorts : failed to set IOPL for I/O (operation non permitted)" when I do "startx" |
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| 13:55.50 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: yes, exactly the same way.. only use x86 repos and not arm |
| 13:56.10 | Rackmount | Gotta go. Thanks again everyone. :) |
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| 13:59.47 | FeignInt | sidao: startx as a user or root? the user is probably missing audio and video group.. does x work fine if you use a desktop manager.. gdm3 kdm, lightdm ? |
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| 14:01.18 | sidao | FeignInt: My user is in the groups video and audio. I start X as user, it fails but when I start it with root its working |
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| 14:01.37 | sidao | FeignInt: and I always use netinstall with no DM |
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| 14:01.49 | sidao | FeignInt: Desktop env* sry |
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| 14:02.13 | sidao | but its weird with Debian stable as VM I never had issues with Xorg as user |
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| 14:03.49 | biubiubiu | FeignInt: but I don't know how to make the debian on that, just cp all files on my computer to android's sdcard? |
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| 14:06.03 | FeignInt | sidao: well, it does seem like a permision problem, the Xorg.0.log may shed some light |
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| 14:07.26 | sidao | FeignInt: just have "xf86EnableIOPorts : failed to set IOPL for I/O (operation not permitted)" |
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| 14:09.52 | sidao | FeignInt: Got also, "systemd-logind : failed to get session : PID xxxx does not belong to any know session" |
| 14:10.05 | Amun_Ra | ,v pacemaker |
| 14:10.06 | judd | Package: pacemaker on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.9.1+hg15626-1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.7-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.7-1; stretch: 1.1.14-1; sid: 1.1.14-1 |
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| 14:11.23 | sidao | But same error when I exit and login again... systemd-logind see the session now, but permission refused with xf86EnableIOPorts |
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| 14:14.30 | tyll | Hi, will Debian stop supporting the armel architecture? |
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| 14:15.53 | jelly | tyll: dunno, ask in #debian-arm over on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net, OFTC) |
| 14:16.10 | karlpinc | sidao: You are not supposed to run X as root. There's been "things" in place to prevent this since about 1998. Dunno if there's a workaround, other than the obvious of not using root and doing something else to satisfy the reason why you want to run X as root. |
| 14:17.01 | FeignInt | sidao: does it work with a DM? |
| 14:17.16 | tyll | jelly: ok, thank you |
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| 14:18.15 | sidao | FeignInt: Yes , I always started Awesome with startx as normal user |
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| 14:18.28 | sidao | karlpinc: I know, this is why I try to fix the issue as normal user now |
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| 14:19.46 | FeignInt | sidao: what output do you get from "groups" just want to double check you have audio/video :D |
| 14:20.22 | sidao | FeignInt: cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetotth |
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| 14:24.40 | OneSploit | Hi |
| 14:24.48 | OneSploit | my destkop constantly sends lots of data |
| 14:24.54 | OneSploit | how can I figure out which process does it? |
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| 14:26.46 | rgr | what do you mean your "desktop sends lots of date"? How are you monitoring this? |
| 14:26.50 | rgr | data |
| 14:27.05 | nkuttler | OneSploit: netstat, ss |
| 14:27.35 | OneSploit | rgr, I see in gnome system monitor lots of traffic out 1Mb and 900kb in |
| 14:27.40 | rgr | lots of distros have run x as root for ages. Debian is only moving over to running it as a user now in testing. |
| 14:28.15 | grawity | you're not supposed to run X _client apps_ as root |
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| 14:28.27 | grawity | the X _server_ traditionally needed root for hardware access; KMS mostly removed that need |
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| 14:29.15 | grawity | so setuid /usr/bin/Xorg is normal, but `sudo startx` is evil |
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| 14:29.50 | OneSploit | nkuttler, does any of those show how much process is sending? |
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| 14:30.27 | sidao | grawity: And then if X refuses to launch as normal user ? what's the solution ? |
| 14:30.44 | jelly | grawity: setuid's removed from actual Xorg server binary, there's a tiny /usr/bin/X wrapper in jessie (and I think wheezy, squeeze had a similar setup) |
| 14:30.53 | grawity | jelly: the wrapper is upstream |
| 14:31.05 | grawity | sidao: there's no magic solution â you read error messages, figure out what caused them, etc. |
| 14:31.19 | jelly | even better |
| 14:31.24 | grawity | sidao: can you pastebin the full Xorg log? |
| 14:31.55 | grawity | sidao: do you have a custom ~/.xserverrc? are you using just `startx` or something more like `startx -- :1`? |
| 14:32.11 | jelly | sidao: did you try with a freshly created normal user, to exclude weirdness in user's session |
| 14:32.11 | sidao | grawity: just startx , as I did when I used stable |
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| 14:32.25 | sidao | jelly: my install is fresh |
| 14:32.34 | grawity | jelly: Xorg.wrap is upstream as of 1.16 it seems |
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| 14:33.31 | sidao | grawity: I just have the error " xf86EnableIOPorts failed to set IOPL " in my logs |
| 14:33.40 | grawity | sidao: but can you pastebin the whole log anyway |
| 14:34.00 | sidao | grawity: it's in a VM , with no shared folders :-/ |
| 14:34.09 | grawity | network? |
| 14:34.21 | sidao | grawity: will try that |
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| 14:35.02 | nanohard | Greetings. I can't connect to some hostnames. Google search works, but I can't load any page to it (Connecting... forever). I can succesfully ping debian.org, but apt-get update says Connecting... forever too. I rebooted my machine, rebooted router, but problem persists. I can receive email, skype seems to be working. I can't search google for help. Any ideas? |
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| 14:35.06 | FeignInt | sidao: you could try installing "xserver-xorg-legacy" |
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| 14:37.24 | jeddi | nanohard: what's 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' give you? if it's more than one or two lines, put into pastebin please. |
| 14:37.45 | FeignInt | nanohard: can you try "dig @8.8.8.8 broken.hostname.com" |
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| 14:38.12 | nanohard | I can't connect to pastebin |
| 14:38.13 | nanohard | # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 14:38.14 | nanohard | search home |
| 14:38.14 | nanohard | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 14:38.14 | nanohard | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:38.14 | nanohard | nameserver 8.8.4.4 |
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| 14:39.13 | jeddi | nanohard - is 192.168.1.1 your actual dns? you may wish to try removing it from /etc/resolv.conf and check name resolution again. |
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| 14:39.45 | FeignInt | jeddi: I would guess that is the router |
| 14:39.55 | nanohard | yeah, it's the router |
| 14:40.12 | nanohard | I can comment out and reboot, see what happens. |
| 14:40.14 | jeddi | it's *probably* the local adsl modem / router. |
| 14:40.22 | jeddi | nanohard: don't reboot. |
| 14:40.24 | jeddi | comment out. |
| 14:40.29 | FeignInt | nanohard: do you know what the nameservers on the router are? I'm guessing the ISP's |
| 14:40.43 | nanohard | oh, thanks. and that dig command to pastebin.com seemed to not have any errors |
| 14:40.45 | jeddi | and/or try FeignInt's earlier suggestion to dig @8.8.8.8 google.com (for example) |
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| 14:41.28 | jeddi | nanohard: what's 'home' - is that your internal domain? intentional? |
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| 14:41.34 | rgr | sidao it depends on your distro and which version of X. eg in debian testing I run startx as user but x itself is not setuid afaik. |
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| 14:42.09 | nanohard | after an edit to resolv.conf, do I just restart networking.service? |
| 14:42.26 | FeignInt | nanohard: nope, that will just revert it |
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| 14:44.17 | nanohard | well, the only thing I have in there now is nameserver 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 14:44.34 | nanohard | but still can't connect to http sites |
| 14:45.04 | jeddi | nanohard: two separate lines? |
| 14:45.08 | nanohard | yeah |
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| 14:45.49 | nanohard | I opened another browser (chrome) and cleared all history |
| 14:46.06 | nanohard | I usually use firefox |
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| 14:46.25 | jeddi | firefox? on debian? |
| 14:46.44 | nanohard | yeah, separate issue though, haha |
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| 14:46.58 | nanohard | not sure what could be causing this |
| 14:47.06 | FeignInt | well, iceweasle is firefox.. just harder to spell :D |
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| 14:47.37 | jeddi | nanohard: so, basics. when did this happen, and what changes did you make prior to this breaking? are you using a vpn? have you done a reboot and replicated the problem? |
| 14:47.49 | jeddi | can you 'ping google.com' |
| 14:47.54 | jeddi | can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 14:47.58 | nanohard | FeignInt: at the time, iceweasel was a few versions behind of something that I wanted, so I removed and installed firefox |
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| 14:48.39 | nanohard | jeddi: yup. ping google looks weird though: lga25s41-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.219.238) |
| 14:48.56 | nanohard | I can also ping debian.org, but I can't apt-get update |
| 14:48.58 | jeddi | nanohard: so it's resolving? |
| 14:49.03 | nanohard | it just says connecting forecer |
| 14:49.06 | nanohard | it just says connecting forever |
| 14:49.13 | jeddi | and you can't get onto any pastebins? |
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| 14:49.24 | jeddi | i've tried my usual two, but they both choke on ip addr access. |
| 14:49.29 | FeignInt | nanohard: take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net/ once the current problem is fixed |
| 14:49.48 | nanohard | nope. I can ping it, but can't get to the site |
| 14:50.08 | jeddi | can anything else in your network get access to public sites? |
| 14:50.23 | nanohard | jeddi: good call, let me check |
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| 14:50.31 | jeddi | nanohard: so, basics. when did this happen, and what changes did you make prior to this breaking? are you using a vpn? have you done a reboot and replicated the problem? |
| 14:51.11 | FeignInt | nanohard: lga25s41-in-f14.1e100.net is fine , google have servers all over the world |
| 14:51.13 | nanohard | nope. I leave my PC on all the time. last reboot was yesterday afternoon. Last night it was fine, then I woke up this morning to this problem |
| 14:51.31 | jeddi | nanohard: and have you rebooted since the problem was first observed? |
| 14:51.43 | FeignInt | nanohard: you say some sites work fine |
| 14:52.15 | nanohard | google seems to work fine |
| 14:52.31 | nanohard | I can search it, but can't get any of the links to work |
| 14:52.42 | jeddi | and when you say you opened another browser - it's not clear what the results of that test was. |
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| 14:52.54 | nanohard | ah, another device can't go to site either |
| 14:53.18 | jeddi | nanohard: that's insightful. |
| 14:53.26 | nanohard | yup. so it's not this machine |
| 14:53.34 | jeddi | nanohard: sounds like something upstream. c an you check that other device's dns servers? |
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| 14:53.56 | jeddi | this is why i keep about 20 virtual machines handy in the house lab ... just to be extra extra extra sure :) |
| 14:54.13 | nanohard | lol, maximum redundency |
| 14:54.37 | jelly | (the house lab runs on a single host node, of course) |
| 14:54.40 | nanohard | I don't know how to check a smartphone's dns server (android) |
| 14:54.53 | nanohard | but I suspect I'll have to put in a call to my ISP |
| 14:54.55 | jeddi | nanohard: if you've got 8.8.8.8 as your first name server - i don't understand how many things will fail to resolve - that should Just Work. whacky. either way, might be an upstream issue ... but can't work out how you'd have selective outages of some destinations like that. |
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| 14:55.29 | FeignInt | nanohard: long press the wifi icon in pull down, then long hold your wifi network, show details ( or something like that ) |
| 14:55.34 | jeddi | jelly: laptop, desktop, two esxi servers - the latter run probably two or three dozen vm's between them. a handful of raspberry pis if things become desperate :) |
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| 14:55.41 | nanohard | it's either a router fail or ISP problem, since the phone can't get onto sites either |
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| 14:56.09 | jeddi | nanohard: did you say you'd reset your adsl modem? |
| 14:56.14 | jeddi | or cable modem or whatever. |
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| 14:56.30 | nanohard | yup. that's the first thing I did was reset the router/modem |
| 14:56.33 | FeignInt | nanohard: sorry, just tap the connected network once on wifi selection screen |
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| 14:56.58 | jeddi | nanohard: symptoms don't sound like it's CPE related .. but you never know. you don't perchance have a spare modem handy? |
| 14:57.06 | nanohard | and I also went to the router GUI and everything looked ok, as far as I could tell |
| 14:57.39 | jeddi | nanohard: there'll be some system logs on the router, probably, but they're usually useful. if you've got ip connectivity (which you clearly do) i can't see how it would block lookups to some sites, esp. as you're resolving via google's dns. |
| 14:57.50 | jeddi | s/usually useful/rarely useful/ |
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| 14:58.41 | nanohard | jeddi, yeah the logs aren't nearly as detailed as I'd like them to be |
| 14:59.03 | sidao | jelly: wow I got banned with no reasons from freenode |
| 14:59.18 | biubiubiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.30 | jeddi | nanohard: i'm feeling similarly, though with a set of different devices (pulling in 2gb of logs at the moment ... why can't people settle on iso8601? flippin' heck) |
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| 15:00.23 | jeddi | nanohard: anyway .. an interesting conversation awaits you with some zoid on the isp's helpdesk. |
| 15:00.36 | nanohard | yeah, dreading it now. |
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| 15:00.54 | nanohard | thanks all, appreciate the help. not sure why I didn't check another device first |
| 15:01.20 | nanohard | now I'm off to customer support hell |
| 15:01.25 | FeignInt | biubiubiu: lpss low power subsystem |
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| 15:01.48 | artag | the first thing they'll tell you to do is reboot the router, so you might as well try that first |
| 15:01.54 | jeddi | nanohard: good practice for network admin interview questions. |
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| 15:04.55 | nanohard | I already did that, first thing |
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| 15:05.10 | nanohard | guess it won't hurt to try again |
| 15:05.34 | jeddi | keep rebooting it until it works or the lights go off and don't come back on. ; ) |
| 15:05.51 | FeignInt | nanohard: can you check the ISP service status page? maybe with mobile data if no connection on pc |
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| 15:06.52 | nanohard | I don't have mobile data, so no go on that |
| 15:07.12 | FeignInt | so you can't get to verizon site? |
| 15:07.38 | nanohard | nope |
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| 15:08.06 | nanohard | but I'm about to call using skype |
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| 15:09.54 | nanohard | the automated system says the service was interrupted because of payment due. I love it when questions get answered |
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| 15:13.27 | jeddi | error occurred between isp and wallet. |
| 15:13.31 | nanohard | lol |
| 15:13.38 | nanohard | that should be a status code |
| 15:13.50 | jeddi | 40$ |
| 15:13.52 | nanohard | lol |
| 15:14.13 | FeignInt | hehe |
| 15:14.16 | jeddi | but seriously - is that the status? you're getting half an internet because of an unpaid bill? |
| 15:14.22 | nanohard | yup |
| 15:14.26 | nanohard | tv is still on too |
| 15:14.53 | markybob | solution seems simple enough |
| 15:14.54 | jeddi | that's whacky - it just pushes more work onto their helpdesk, more frustration onto you (if things stopped working properly <tm> you'd know straight away what was going on and could fix it faster -ie. get them cash quicker). |
| 15:14.56 | FeignInt | would be funny if a vpn worked for you |
| 15:15.04 | nanohard | ... lets find out |
| 15:16.27 | jelly | sidao: it wasn't just you |
| 15:16.44 | nanohard | ah, frootvpn dropped my creds |
| 15:16.52 | nanohard | I got on it when they had free accounts |
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| 15:17.08 | nanohard | worked for a bit after that |
| 15:17.46 | nanohard | jeddi: agreed. I hopped onto this channel, wasting several people's time |
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| 15:19.17 | nanohard | if I were the account holder, I'd demand an apology be sent here |
| 15:21.00 | sidao | I don't remeber who asked me for the Xorg error log but here it is : https://framabin.org/?be6f8c57543c9d0b#cTyHoToMIyJlq/4WrcOuCpH+GVjgnxTYzc/x61R++jc= |
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| 15:21.53 | sidao | so as I understood Xorg is no longer using root privileges |
| 15:22.12 | sidao | and this is why I got an error now as a normal user trying to launch it ? |
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| 15:23.01 | markybob | sidao, in testing. are you using testing? |
| 15:23.14 | sidao | markybob: yes |
| 15:23.23 | markybob | sidao, testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
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| 15:46.25 | dFence | eek!! sysbench has left a 50G test-file floating around somewhere on my disk |
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| 15:49.06 | biubiubiu | if I install archlinux and debian both on my computer, and can I chroot one in another? |
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| 15:49.26 | abrotman | dFence: find / -size +35G ? |
| 15:49.29 | papi83dm | how can I find out why a package is unstable |
| 15:49.36 | abrotman | papi83dm: that doesn't make sense |
| 15:49.44 | biubiubiu | I mean get into archlinux on debian via chroot or reverse? |
| 15:49.45 | dFence | abrotman: I found the directory where they were stored *phew* |
| 15:49.49 | nikio_ | is it possible to fix a windows boot sector from debian? i cant login into my Windows OS, so now im using my Debian OS (i got dual boot) |
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| 15:49.52 | papi83dm | i meant why is on the unstable repo |
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| 15:50.06 | nikio_ | it says that due to a recent software update windows cant boot anymore |
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| 15:50.41 | abrotman | papi83dm: that's how Debian works. What are you really asking? |
| 15:50.47 | papi83dm | abrotman: https://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2015/12/msg00008.html |
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| 15:51.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell papi83dm about goal |
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| 15:51.56 | abrotman | papi83dm: okay, and what about that? |
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| 15:52.13 | papi83dm | i'm trying to install that version manually since its not in the repo |
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| 15:52.31 | btf | i want to unload the lp module to enable lpt on guest vm - is @reboot entry in crontab really the way to do that |
| 15:52.36 | nikio_ | anyone? |
| 15:52.40 | jelly | papi83dm: why do you want or need that specific version, and which debian release are you trying to install it onto? |
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| 15:53.02 | papi83dm | i want to take advantage of mpm event |
| 15:53.13 | abrotman | backs away slowly |
| 15:53.18 | jelly | btf: read /msg dpkg blacklist, maybe |
| 15:53.19 | nikio_ | HELP! |
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| 15:53.42 | jelly | nikio_: ask in ##windows |
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| 15:54.13 | nikio_ | im asking if i can fix the boot sector from Debian, I doubt windows will know |
| 15:54.45 | papi83dm | jelly: i'm on debian 7 |
| 15:54.45 | btf | nikio I think that they may - but it will be dependant on what boot arrangements you have |
| 15:54.45 | jelly | they will know. |
| 15:54.59 | btf | jelly thanks |
| 15:55.06 | nikio_ | btf im grubbing that baby |
| 15:55.33 | jelly | nikio_: even if they don't know, they will have a way forward for your issue when you give them a good description of the symptoms |
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| 15:55.57 | mynameis | hi guys |
| 15:55.57 | mynameis | I'm using debian testing cinnamon in VB |
| 15:55.57 | mynameis | but I do not have hardware acceleration |
| 15:55.57 | mynameis | How can I enable it? |
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| 15:57.14 | nikio_ | jelly ok |
| 15:57.15 | nikio_ | ty |
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| 15:58.46 | liznot | good day |
| 15:58.56 | liznot | guys |
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| 15:59.15 | liznot | I'm using testing cinnamon 64 bit on VB |
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| 15:59.19 | k-joseph | hi guys, am stuck at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35318952/dh-builddeb-pkgbinarymangler-dpkg-deb-build-debian-tmp-returned-exit-code |
| 15:59.29 | k-joseph | can any one here be of help |
| 15:59.32 | k-joseph | ? |
| 15:59.38 | liznot | but no hardware acceleration |
| 15:59.47 | liznot | can someone haelp me to enable it? |
| 15:59.51 | liznot | please |
| 15:59.52 | mtn | liznot: is 3d turned on in the vbox settings? |
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| 16:00.27 | liznot | mtn yes |
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| 16:00.48 | mtn | liznot: should work then |
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| 16:01.37 | liznot | but it is not |
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| 16:02.13 | liznot | the system works but is a little bit slow |
| 16:02.24 | liznot | if you know what I mean |
| 16:02.42 | liznot | maybe we have to install additions? |
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| 16:02.45 | mtn | liznot: give it more memory for graphics? |
| 16:02.49 | liznot | I already have full screen |
| 16:03.02 | liznot | but not HA |
| 16:03.37 | liznot | it have maximum I can give it |
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| 16:05.06 | mtn | liznot: there is #vbox. they would know more |
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| 16:07.09 | nkuttler | meh. so i have a mailbox i have imap access to and i'm supposed to forward around 1k emails.. any suggestion? |
| 16:07.48 | nkuttler | i guess i should just import them into a local mailbox and use mutt.. |
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| 16:08.34 | jelly | nkuttler: mutt can open a remot imap folder, no need to import |
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| 16:09.11 | jelly | (making a local copy is safer if your connection is unstable, but that's not mutt's fault) |
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| 16:09.18 | nikio_ | il try this http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fix-corrupted-windows-ntfs-filesystem-ubuntu/ |
| 16:09.42 | nkuttler | jelly: right.. i'll just do that on my mailserver.. |
| 16:09.43 | cuchufli | Can anyone recommend a fairly decent usb wifi adapter for use with Linux? |
| 16:09.48 | jelly | nkuttler: mutt -Rf imap://username@imap.host.example.org/Folder%20Name (-R is for read only) |
| 16:09.58 | nkuttler | jelly: nice, ty |
| 16:10.28 | jelly | just ran a silly mutt -F .mutt/muttrc-gmail -f 'imaps://imap.gmail.com/[Gmail]/All Mail' |
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| 16:13.57 | papi83dm | is there a website that show the status of a package |
| 16:14.36 | papi83dm | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/ is missing apache-common-2.4.18 |
| 16:15.10 | abrotman | papi83dm: why do you thikn you need that version for MPM? |
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| 16:15.42 | papi83dm | some bug fixes that were applied after version 2.4.13 |
| 16:16.07 | abrotman | papi83dm: if you backport this package, you'll be responsible for your own security, etc |
| 16:16.16 | jelly | ,v apache2-mpm-event |
| 16:16.17 | judd | Package: apache2-mpm-event on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4 |
| 16:16.39 | abrotman | did they change the name? |
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| 16:17.02 | papi83dm | jelly: yes I would be responsible, how can I backdoor it? |
| 16:17.10 | abrotman | I'm not jelly ... |
| 16:17.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell papi83dm about simple sid backport |
| 16:17.26 | jelly | judd: checkbackport apache2 |
| 16:17.27 | judd | Backporting package apache2 in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 16:17.34 | jelly | huh |
| 16:17.49 | jelly | abrotman: you're so jelly |
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| 16:18.01 | abrotman | IN MAH BELLY! |
| 16:18.07 | abrotman | well, not really .. but enough :) |
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| 16:18.45 | nkuttler | waits for the mailbox full bounces.. |
| 16:18.50 | papi83dm | judd: said its for jessie |
| 16:19.11 | nkuttler | oh noes, can't even send it, too big.. |
| 16:19.50 | nkuttler | i think i'll just pipe them through procmail and send each one individually.. |
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| 16:21.00 | ewew | Hi. Is normal to segfault when executing dumpe2fs alone ? |
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| 16:21.40 | nkuttler | ewew: happens here too, but segfaults are never normal.. |
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| 16:24.49 | ewew | so the current status is that no one knows why ? |
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| 16:28.09 | nkuttler | ewew: what did you mean by alone anyway? without parameters? |
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| 16:30.50 | jelly | ewew: you can take a guess at why by debugging it a little, try running it under ltrace and see it basically doesn't do much of input parameter verification |
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| 16:32.17 | papi83dm | ,v php5 |
| 16:32.18 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze28; wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.16+dfsg-2; jessie: 5.6.17+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.17+dfsg-3; stretch: 5.6.17+dfsg-3 |
| 16:32.19 | ewew | without parameters. |
| 16:32.25 | jelly | precisely. |
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| 16:33.09 | jelly | and the manual says it takes one mandatory parameter |
| 16:33.18 | markybob | paianni, if you need something newer there's always dotdeb, though i don't recommend it. much easier than backporting it yourself though |
| 16:33.29 | markybob | papi83dm, ^^ |
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| 16:33.47 | ewew | but still it should fail the safe way. |
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| 16:34.24 | jelly | I'm not sure how that segfault makes things unsafe, but okay |
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| 16:34.30 | jelly | it's a bug |
| 16:34.33 | abrotman | markybob: please don't recommend those .. they're still not that good |
| 16:34.41 | papi83dm | markybob: thanks, their latest is 5.5.27 |
| 16:34.45 | markybob | abrotman, i did say i didn't suggest it |
| 16:34.50 | jelly | he just said he didn't recommend them! |
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| 16:35.07 | abrotman | markybob: then don't mentio them :)( |
| 16:35.17 | jelly | that would be unfair |
| 16:35.29 | papi83dm | markybob: I was looking for a version that has this patch, https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=62172 |
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| 16:35.58 | markybob | papi83dm, given that abrotman is an op and is against this i'll shut up now |
| 16:36.46 | abrotman | has nothing to do with opiness |
| 16:36.47 | papi83dm | markybob: sorry about that, I should have read the rules |
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| 16:40.43 | jelly | papi83dm: I'd file a bug report in debian to make sure fix for #62172 ends up in debian's build when the next 5.6 version gets built for sone more security patches |
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| 16:42.45 | jelly | you could attempt a local package rebuild if you need it right now |
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| 16:42.48 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 16:42.49 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 16:42.52 | jelly | papi83dm: ^^ |
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| 16:43.18 | jelly | papi83dm: add patches after 4) |
| 16:43.26 | ewew | jelly The man page does not say about the mandatory parameter. |
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| 16:43.58 | jelly | ewew: it does, SYNOPSIS dumpe2fs [ -bfhixV ] [ -o superblock=superblock ] [ -o blocksize=blocksize ] device |
| 16:44.28 | jelly | ewew: stuff in [ ] is optional, stuff out of [ ] is not optional; so, it's mandatory |
| 16:44.28 | ewew | ok then. i expected it in note or something. |
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| 16:44.51 | jelly | this is common metasyntax for man pages |
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| 16:45.05 | centrx | It still shouldn't segfault though |
| 16:45.12 | jelly | ewew: man man |
| 16:45.15 | jelly | :-D |
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| 16:51.28 | papi83dm | jelly: thanks i'm going to try it |
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| 16:55.44 | zeeble | hi. anyone know how to turn off showing any desktop icons when using Mate on Debian? |
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| 16:55.59 | zeeble | Can't seem to find any settings that allow turning display of icons on/off |
| 16:56.52 | papi83dm | jelly: i'm stuck right after 4 |
| 16:57.00 | papi83dm | how do I add the patch file? |
| 16:57.23 | blind | It can apparently be done with dconf-editor, zeeble, org>mate>desktop>background>show-desktop-icons |
| 16:57.35 | jelly | papi83dm: check out the structure of debian/ and debian/patches/ directories, I think |
| 16:57.59 | zeeble | blind: let me try that |
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| 16:59.30 | zeeble | blind: heh, worked. thanks :) |
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| 17:05.25 | queso | xterm is not copying to the primary clipboard correctly when I select text using a mouse. It routinely gets the carriage return locations wrong (e.g., removes a carriage return and fills the space with spaces when I paste). Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 17:05.48 | queso | It makes copying and pasting Python code very frustrating :P |
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| 17:06.40 | okee | Is anyone running Debian stable and libreoffice? If so, would you tell me what version is showing up in the repository for your distro? I am trying to get a comparison between that and what is available on Debian old. |
| 17:07.23 | nkuttler | !tell okee about pdo |
| 17:07.29 | nkuttler | ,v libreoffice |
| 17:07.31 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1:5.0.4~rc2-2~bpo8+1; sid: 1:5.0.5~rc1-1; stretch: 1:5.0.5~rc1-1; experimental: 1:5.1.0~rc3-1 |
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| 17:08.51 | okee | judd> Thanks |
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| 17:09.04 | markybob | okee, judd is a bot. nkuttler called it |
| 17:09.44 | okee | markybob> I need to upgrade. It is just a matter of finding time to do it. |
| 17:10.09 | markybob | okee, no time like the present |
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| 17:10.40 | markybob | !tell okee about wheezy->jessie |
| 17:10.59 | FeignInt | in my experience upgrades are easy with debian |
| 17:11.32 | markybob | FeignInt, most times. wheezy->jessie apache fucking sucked, for example |
| 17:12.27 | ewew | Be carefull when using recent install guide it has wrong release. |
| 17:13.15 | FeignInt | ah, I don't run apache markybob , did it fail hard or just complain and stop? |
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| 17:13.24 | Muligan| | Linux version 2.6.15.1 (root@hostname) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP: I'm trying to P2V this host, what iso should I use for 'linux rescue'? |
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| 17:13.53 | markybob | FeignInt, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
| 17:14.26 | Muligan| | debian-live-500-i386-rescue.iso ??? |
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| 17:16.24 | acos | i paused my new vm during installing debian |
| 17:16.28 | acos | how bad is this? |
| 17:17.45 | FeignInt | acos , shouldn't be a problem, a pause should resume just fine |
| 17:17.47 | Muligan| | acos, it's not |
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| 17:18.01 | acos | whew |
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| 17:18.13 | acos | trying to redo it....after ruining my first debian vm |
| 17:18.17 | acos | RIP vm-1 |
| 17:18.20 | acos | hahahha |
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| 17:39.28 | rsync | Our Family is strong! |
| 17:39.30 | rsync | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WZtvsZ8LDI |
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| 17:53.19 | ntz | hello |
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| 17:55.49 | oskar- | Hi, for Xen Netboot the recommendation is to download kernel and initrd from http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/. Is there some tool, that helps authenticating the downloaded files? |
| 17:55.50 | nikio | Kk.. so i smoked my mbr using lilo i guess.. now nothing boots.. grub doesnt even show |
| 17:56.11 | nikio | No idea what to do |
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| 17:58.35 | khazakar_ | Hi all,I need a help with hostapd on my debian wannabe-router machine. Log provided -> http://pastebin.com/w2QhTrQ5 |
| 17:58.43 | nikio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.27 | kulyzu | in a bash script |
| 17:59.31 | blind | nikio: you need to fix Windows? Try ##windows |
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| 17:59.36 | kulyzu | how can i hide error for only one command |
| 17:59.37 | kulyzu | ?? |
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| 17:59.53 | nikio | Did u read? |
| 18:00.09 | oskar- | command 2> /dev/null |
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| 18:00.16 | ntz | what am I supposed to use for re-creating a partition table from backup, if I try to re-use for second disk what sfdisk -sd /dev/sda (or even without -s) prints it always ends up in bummer because of different geometry (eg sector size is on one disk 512/4096 and on second 512/512 (logical/physical)) ? |
| 18:00.19 | blind | I did. It sounds like it boots into Debian and your problem is actually with Windows. |
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| 18:00.37 | nikio | It boots into nothing |
| 18:00.49 | nikio | I blew it up using lilo |
| 18:00.56 | nikio | Please read what i wrote |
| 18:01.00 | ntz | writing some script that will parse the output and recalculates it for different geometry seems like overkill for me |
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| 18:01.22 | blind | Maybe you should have elaborated more. I'm not sure why you used lilo? Anyway, to get grub back, boot to a live CD and install grub to the disk. |
| 18:01.54 | markybob | nikio, why are you using lilo? |
| 18:01.58 | nikio | U think lilo smoked grub? |
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| 18:02.06 | markybob | nikio, yes |
| 18:02.17 | blind | Well I'm assuming my "smoked the whole thing" you mean it doesn't go to grub anymore. |
| 18:02.23 | nikio | I followed instructions on fixing windows from debian.. |
| 18:02.34 | nikio | Yes |
| 18:02.36 | blind | s/my/by/ |
| 18:03.02 | markybob | nikio, there's no reason to use lilo in 2016 |
| 18:03.45 | nikio | Terrible disaster |
| 18:04.05 | nikio | Ill try putting debian on a sd card from my other laptop |
| 18:04.13 | nikio | Is that possible? |
| 18:04.23 | oskar- | nikio, this might be able to help you: http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/ |
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| 18:04.23 | nikio | So i can boot from an sd |
| 18:04.23 | teraflops | nikio: what did you do to fix it? also describe the disk(s)/partitions layout |
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| 18:05.52 | teraflops | nikio: hmm and how did you fuck the whole thing would he helpful as well |
| 18:05.56 | teraflops | be* |
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| 18:06.22 | nikio | Teraflops it was a lilo command |
| 18:06.34 | nikio | That was supposed to fix the mbr |
| 18:06.47 | teraflops | dont you remember it? |
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| 18:06.59 | nikio | I dont remember which.. but now |
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| 18:07.16 | nikio | When i boot.. i got no boot signature found |
| 18:07.35 | teraflops | nikio: if you boot with a debian iso via cdrom/usb/sd can you see the partitions? |
| 18:07.36 | nikio | No boot signature in partition |
| 18:08.03 | nikio | Ill try when i get home.. im on the bus now |
| 18:08.15 | nikio | What do i put on the sd? |
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| 18:08.46 | teraflops | nikio: just boot with a debian netinstall select expert select to boot from existing intallation and reinstall grub into the mbr |
| 18:08.58 | nikio | Is there not a simple grub fixer for the sd card to boot with? |
| 18:09.01 | teraflops | installation* srry |
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| 18:09.09 | nikio | Ok |
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| 18:09.50 | nikio | Ty |
| 18:10.04 | teraflops | nikio: you want grub installed into /dev/sdX not /dev/sdxy |
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| 18:10.25 | teraflops | nikio: nah, good luck, dont worry is not a big issue |
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| 18:11.59 | teraflops | nikio: you can put the debian netinstall iso into a sd or a usb stick, from windows or linux |
| 18:12.01 | teraflops | ... or osx |
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| 18:12.44 | nikio | What do u mean? |
| 18:12.52 | nikio | Oh |
| 18:13.01 | nikio | U mean just put it there |
| 18:13.13 | nikio | Yah i got another laptop |
| 18:13.35 | nikio | I thought maybe u ment booting over the net |
| 18:13.49 | nikio | Dunno why they call it netinstall |
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| 18:14.15 | nikio | I saw u can boot from a network card |
| 18:14.32 | nikio | Boot from Realtek.. strange |
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| 18:15.04 | nikio | Its beneath the harddisk in the boot options |
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| 18:19.33 | teraflops | nikio: afaik debian does not do pxe over the internet, i think other distros does it, anyway it's a ~300 MB download so not a drama anyway |
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| 18:21.58 | nikio | Yeh.. it should work.. as i think the mbr got rewrittten.. so its just a matter of restoring.. and grub has a standard format. So it willl fit right back like a missing puzzle piece |
| 18:22.00 | finalbeta | I need to clone a system (rasp pi) that is running from a sd card to an sd card connected to the system. if I try to use dd to copy the running boot/os to the sd card. Should it work (is it a sane idea?)? |
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| 18:27.21 | jelly | finalbeta: which OS is running on the r.pi? |
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| 18:28.36 | finalbeta | jelly, raspbian (debian) |
| 18:28.55 | abrotman | and why aren't you asking #raspbian ? |
| 18:28.57 | jelly | finalbeta: because if it's raspbian, ask in #raspbian or ##linux and not here. In any case cloning a block device like that is safer if you first remount every point point read-only |
| 18:29.14 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 18:29.14 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 18:29.44 | finalbeta | Ok, thanks anyway |
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| 18:31.07 | jelly | remount every mount*point ro |
| 18:31.14 | jelly | can't type today |
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| 18:32.11 | finalbeta | jelly, can you do that with / ? |
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| 18:33.53 | Iridos | wasn't there some program that let you print things as a banner on multiple a4 pages? |
| 18:34.00 | Iridos | like... a picture |
| 18:34.32 | tharkun | hands jelly a hot iron to straighten his fingers |
| 18:34.55 | NoCode | http://i.imgur.com/pRZoTkZ.png - Now I don't need any other DE. It was weird, I had problems with installing via UEFI, used ACPI which worked then realized Debian allows you to choose which DE you want. So I only installed Cinnamon. This is the result that I wanted a few days ago but for 2 days I had issues with Ubuntu/ Debian. Now things are installed and it ultimately worked out. :D |
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| 18:36.17 | Iridos | ah, apt-cache found it for me pdfposter or posterazor |
| 18:36.51 | joshumax | Great, libc6 is complaining I can't use the 2.4 series kernel with it |
| 18:37.16 | joshumax | *insanely edits libc6's preinst* |
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| 18:39.33 | jelly | predicts joshumax will see a message like this from a wheezy or jessie userspace binary: FATAL: kernel too old |
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| 18:46.29 | joshumax | Alright, so some of the syscall vectors don't quite match up with the ones called by libc6. |
| 18:46.37 | joshumax | Most everything is broken, but apparently ed works |
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| 18:46.52 | joshumax | I can write a kernel module that fixes this with it |
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| 18:47.28 | joshumax | Oh boy do I looove Debian SH4 |
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| 18:51.00 | kulyzu | is there a way to alias a command, like u[0-9]+ will be anything the user type like u1 u2 u3 ...u333 |
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| 18:53.04 | nkuttler | kulyzu: what do you mean? |
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| 18:53.27 | nkuttler | kulyzu: try #bash |
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| 18:54.39 | kulyzu | assume you have an app, and you want to intercept any number the user enter after the app name (not args) like $ app3, $ app5 $ app8 |
| 18:55.01 | kulyzu | and be able from the app to parse that number the number |
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| 18:55.13 | nkuttler | do you mean app 3 |
| 18:55.45 | nkuttler | i guess not, no idea, #bash |
| 18:56.37 | FeignInt | the app is written in? |
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| 18:56.52 | nkuttler | he wants a dynamic app name it seems |
| 18:57.06 | kulyzu | nkuttler, yes |
| 18:57.20 | kulyzu | i write a little app that override cd |
| 18:57.29 | kulyzu | instead of type cd ../../.. |
| 18:57.35 | kulyzu | you can just type u 3 |
| 18:57.47 | nkuttler | u 3 or u3? |
| 18:57.52 | RabotiC | hi |
| 18:57.56 | kulyzu | but i want to make even simpler so i don't have to type the space |
| 18:58.03 | kulyzu | so i just type u3 |
| 18:58.07 | FeignInt | well, busybox figures out how it was called ( symlinks ), and a bash script can do this with $0, just strip out and none digits ( assuming digits are only on the end ) |
| 18:58.13 | kulyzu | and it'l go up 3 directories |
| 18:58.22 | karlpinc | Iridos: I thought you were looking for one of those ascii-art tools. I swear there used to be one but I can't find it. |
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| 18:58.52 | nkuttler | kulyzu: you don't even get to your program like this, if at all the shell might be able to do it |
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| 18:59.28 | kulyzu | FeignInt, how? it's not that easy, unless you want to make symlinks for every possibility |
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| 19:00.10 | Iridos | karlpinc, found "posterazor" ... I must even have installed it some time before, as it was already there |
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| 19:00.18 | FeignInt | kulyzu: yeap, I fail to see why a space is a problem |
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| 19:00.52 | nikio | K im rolling grub |
| 19:00.54 | kulyzu | FeignInt, it's not the space it's the challenge to remove that space and to find a way |
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| 19:01.12 | nkuttler | kulyzu: parse your shell history in your shell prompt... |
| 19:01.28 | karlpinc | Iridos: I used something back in about 1998, with some program I recognized from the 70's. Designed for line-printers and sheet-fold paper. |
| 19:01.38 | kulyzu | nkuttler, hell yeah :) |
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| 19:01.48 | kulyzu | that a good idea, am gonna try it now |
| 19:01.55 | nkuttler | kulyzu: no, ffs, go ask #bash or whatever shell you're using |
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| 19:02.09 | kulyzu | nkuttler, sorry |
| 19:02.10 | karlpinc | Iridos: I'd hate to see it go away, and now that valentine's day is here, well, it could come in useful. |
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| 19:02.20 | nikio_ | ok |
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| 19:06.07 | SCoder | http://sourceforge.net/projects/fireplus/reviews http://mas.phpyjs.com |
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| 19:07.54 | abrotman | SCoder: please don't spam here |
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| 19:11.00 | nikio_ | teraflops, im bootted |
| 19:11.07 | nikio_ | which options do i chose to install grub? |
| 19:11.19 | nikio_ | rescue mode? |
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| 19:12.25 | teraflops | nikio_: yes, "Rescue mode under Advanced options" |
| 19:12.37 | SerajewelKS | i can't recall, how would i go about requesting a package be removed from the archives? |
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| 19:12.59 | karlpinc | Iridos: pbmtoascii, or aview. See:apt-cache rdepends libaa1 |
| 19:13.22 | nikio_ | its configuring the network etc´ unneeded |
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| 19:14.43 | Jonathan_ | I have a debian 8 server who suddenly crashed, it's now only responding to ping (all ports closed), firewall is off |
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| 19:15.48 | karlpinc | Jonathan_: You need console. |
| 19:16.40 | Jonathan_ | I can't access to this server with ssh, only when booting in rescue mode and logs are empty |
| 19:16.45 | jelly | console good. Might be doing fsck. |
| 19:17.04 | jelly | console access good. |
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| 19:18.11 | nikio_ | it got fixed : ] |
| 19:18.47 | nikio_ | teraflops, ok now its back to fixing windows 7´'it says an error occured while attempting to read the boot configuration data |
| 19:18.53 | nikio_ | so i tried using lilo to fix things |
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| 19:19.44 | teraflops | nikio_: wait. not grub prompts and you can boot linux? |
| 19:19.49 | teraflops | now* |
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| 19:19.53 | nikio_ | yep |
| 19:20.02 | nikio_ | i can see debian and windows 7 |
| 19:20.13 | teraflops | nikio_: but when you pick win it fails? |
| 19:20.17 | nikio_ | yep |
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| 19:20.26 | nikio_ | http://www.wintips.org/repair-windows-7-or-vista-boot-errors-problems/ |
| 19:20.29 | nikio_ | i get boot error condition 3 |
| 19:21.22 | teraflops | nikio_: is not related to debian, anyway if update-grub (from linux) does not fix it, youll need to boot a windows iso I guess |
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| 19:30.54 | zortein | if i setup my machine using X version of Debian and Y version of e.g. KDE, will i have to setup everything from the beginning if i upgrade to X+1 version of Debian and Y+1 version of the Desktop? |
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| 19:31.35 | greycat | I would imagine most of your personal KDE configs should carry over just fine. I don't use KDE myself, though. |
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| 19:33.26 | zortein | thanks for the answer |
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| 19:37.16 | Jonathan_ | how can I use ips from /etc/network/intefaces in chroot environnment ? |
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| 19:37.57 | greycat | A chroot doesn't give you additional network interfaces to configure. You're still running under the same kernel on the same system. With the same network interfaces. |
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| 19:38.31 | Jonathan_ | I'm booting on a live cd because the normal debian isn't booting |
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| 19:41.41 | khazakar_ | Hi all,I have a 2 problems with dnsmasq |
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| 19:42.46 | khazakar_ | 1 - It don't run correctly when I have uncommented "listen-address=172.16.1.1",problem with assignation of that Ip to device. Secod problem is that,It don't work for second wifi card (don't give dhcp address to clients) |
| 19:43.26 | khazakar_ | s/Secod/Second |
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| 19:43.40 | khazakar_ | t |
| 19:43.53 | luhkevin | Is anyone getting 404/503 on cloudfront right now? |
| 19:44.05 | luhkevin | e.g. cloudfront.debian.net |
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| 19:51.48 | khazakar_ | k,works after reboot ;_; |
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| 19:58.16 | [exa] | Hello everyone. So I have a piece of software I maintain and I'd like to create debian packages for that. I'm able to create the simple package, but searching for a good workflow to keep configuration/deps/changelogs across "releases". Is there some kind of best place to start studying? |
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| 19:58.59 | deni__ | can anyone help me debug boot/mount issue with my lvm encrypted (luks) setup. it worked fined for years and now after the latest upgrade it doesn't work |
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| 19:59.14 | deni__ | first i se a lot of message like : device-mapper: remove ioctl on sdb5_crypt failed: device or resource busy |
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| 19:59.24 | karlpinc | [exa]: Are the packages to be included in debian? |
| 19:59.24 | deni__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.33 | deni__ | and then it drops me into the initrams shell |
| 20:00.08 | [exa] | karlpinc: that would be great. |
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| 20:00.52 | karlpinc | [exa]: Go ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.net. They are there to help get stuff into debian. |
| 20:01.10 | [exa] | Oh, okay. Thanks for the pointer. :] |
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| 20:02.22 | karlpinc | deni__: Is there anything like your problem described in the release notes? That might be the first place to look. |
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| 20:02.56 | ponyofdeath | [+mode_indicator+(away)+ input_search+ input_paste+ vi_buffer+] |
| 20:03.16 | deni__ | karlpinc: I've googled but I didn't find anything specific |
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| 20:05.22 | deni__ | I guess it's worth noting that the issue happened after a few force shutdown (hard button shutdown) because my gui (gnome-shell) was acting up and I couldn't move my mouse or use my keyboard |
| 20:05.47 | deni__ | and then after the (let's say) 4th hard reset it started happening that it wouldn't boot at all |
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| 20:06.51 | deni__ | i'm doing a fsck on /dev/mapper/my_device now |
| 20:07.14 | deni__ | and this might be part of the problem |
| 20:07.29 | deni__ | I'm just seeing numbers rush by on the screen now |
| 20:07.31 | Muligan| | so i've p2v'd this host, and re-installed grub, must i rebuild the kernel now? |
| 20:07.36 | deni__ | I'm not sure on which pass this was |
| 20:07.39 | Muligan| | working w/debian 5.0 btw |
| 20:07.40 | deni__ | 4-5 maybe? |
| 20:08.14 | greycat | Why would installing grub necessitate a kernel build? |
| 20:08.54 | Muligan| | greycat, diff hardware? |
| 20:09.27 | greycat | If you need a different kernel for some reason, that's OK, but "I just installed grub" is not one of the reasons that would prompt such a thing. |
| 20:09.29 | Muligan| | i corrected the context of menu.lst to match up the drive to /dev/sda |
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| 20:09.47 | Muligan| | grub was reinstalled due to boot of blank screen |
| 20:09.55 | deni__ | getting a lot of "free blocks count wrong for group.... " messages now |
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| 20:10.03 | cluelessperson | Question, how can I remove/purge/strip all networking capabilities of a machine? |
| 20:10.26 | greycat | pull the network cable out of the jack |
| 20:10.32 | cluelessperson | I'm serious |
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| 20:10.42 | greycat | So am I. |
| 20:10.45 | cluelessperson | software, I want to remove anything that is for networking. I'm trying to barebones this |
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| 20:11.00 | jelly | cluelessperson: start with a base installation |
| 20:11.09 | cluelessperson | jelly, and? |
| 20:11.22 | jelly | THEN unplug the cable |
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| 20:11.49 | cluelessperson | jelly, I want to strip out the drivers themselves even, no files that aren't needed |
| 20:11.54 | deni__ | jelly: perhaps we can pick up here |
| 20:11.59 | deni__ | if you have any advice |
| 20:12.04 | cluelessperson | jelly, Reduce a 1.5 GB iso to 300mb |
| 20:12.17 | jelly | cluelessperson: the loopback device is kind of important, what's your actual goal? |
| 20:12.31 | greycat | where the hell did you get 1.5 GB of crap if this is a base netinst installation |
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| 20:13.17 | cluelessperson | jelly, Not keep any files that won't be used. |
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| 20:14.02 | jelly | cluelessperson: what _will_ be used that takes 1+ GiB? |
| 20:14.06 | greycat | If the goal is *space savings* on permanent storage, asking how to disable network interfaces is really barking up the wrong tree. |
| 20:14.15 | jelly | cluelessperson: what is the system going to be used for? |
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| 20:14.37 | cluelessperson | jelly, minimal boot + python + GPG |
| 20:14.51 | cluelessperson | idea is minimal offline, RAM based system for encryption utility |
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| 20:15.12 | greycat | GPG without access to public key rings? |
| 20:15.12 | jelly | cluelessperson: ok, but python and gpg and base system takes less than 1GiB installed size. |
| 20:15.48 | jelly | cluelessperson: reimage first, then we talk |
| 20:16.03 | cluelessperson | jelly, Thanks :) |
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| 20:17.14 | jelly | cluelessperson: you may or may not want to avoid some of the Recommends when installing packages after the base system is in place. /msg dpkg apt recommends |
| 20:17.35 | jelly | deni__: yeah no, not really, if you need to run fsck, run fsck |
| 20:18.08 | deni__ | jelly: i ran it.....after a bunch of do you want to fix it <y>? I managed to boot again |
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| 20:18.29 | deni__ | but now I'm back to the original problem (Which probably cause this one) is that I can't move my mouse or use my keyboard once gnome-shell boots |
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| 20:18.57 | deni__ | literally none of the keys work after I initially log in |
| 20:19.16 | jelly | oh, that's a question for #debian-next :-) |
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| 20:19.35 | jelly | you wanted to run testing, you deal with the consequences |
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| 20:20.00 | jelly | my kanta runs stable |
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| 20:21.23 | _Christian | hi |
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| 20:23.44 | deni__ | jelly: :P i'm running sid for a couple of years now...no issues like this ever |
| 20:23.59 | CuteAlien | Hi! Does anyone know what kind of process has as name just "-:0" I'm not finding anything on google... |
| 20:24.14 | markybob | deni__, this is still the wrong channel for it. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic like he said |
| 20:24.30 | greycat | CuteAlien: Any process can change its own name, or be invoked with a fake name by its parent. Process names are only a hint intended to be useful to someone. |
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| 20:25.01 | CuteAlien | greycat, sure, but that name is a little bit unusual. So wondering what it could be. |
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| 20:25.16 | greycat | That said, process names that begin with - traditionally indicate login shells. The :0 is reminiscent of an X display. That's all I know. |
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| 20:25.52 | nikio_ | teraflops, is there a way using the netinstall to set the boot flag of a partition? |
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| 20:25.56 | nikio_ | i know mint has gparted |
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| 20:25.59 | notmentor | CuteAlien, You can look to see what files it has mapped using the /proc filesystem |
| 20:26.08 | notmentor | CuteAlien, The code it runs has to be in there |
| 20:26.11 | greycat | lsof is also good here. |
| 20:26.17 | markybob | nikio_, yes, but why? |
| 20:26.29 | adis | imal neko iz Bosne? |
| 20:26.47 | markybob | nikio_, linux pays no attention to boot flag. |
| 20:27.16 | jelly | adis: try #linux.hr or #ubuntu-hr for help na domacem |
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| 20:27.42 | lizzie | trying to upgrade my debian packages in a chroot on an older arm device and I got an error from the libc6 package saying the new version requires at least kernel version 3.2.x |
| 20:27.43 | adis | ok |
| 20:27.49 | jelly | otherwise, use English in this channel please |
| 20:27.50 | lizzie | I am on kernel 3.0.x with no ability to upgrade the kernel |
| 20:27.50 | nikio_ | markybob, im dual booting windows 7 and debian using grub´ but my windows 7 got messed up, it cant boot it says it cant read the boot configuration data |
| 20:27.52 | lizzie | what should I do? |
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| 20:28.06 | nikio_ | so im trying to fix windows with the repair tools from a bootable sd card with windows 7 |
| 20:28.10 | markybob | nikio_, that's because you installed lilo |
| 20:28.19 | nikio_ | but i read that for that to work i have to set the boot flag |
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| 20:28.27 | nikio_ | here: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/boot-error-windows#TOC-Step-3:-repair-Windows |
| 20:28.31 | nikio_ | i fixed the lilo issue |
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| 20:28.44 | nikio_ | grub and debian are working now and windows 7 is visible to just not bootable |
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| 20:30.19 | nikio_ | so is there a way to set the boot flag using the netinstall cd of debian? |
| 20:30.34 | markybob | nikio_, can you boot into linux? parted /dev/sdX set 2 boot on |
| 20:30.50 | nikio_ | yes i can |
| 20:30.50 | markybob | nikio_, go into console during the install and run that |
| 20:31.01 | nikio_ | during the install? |
| 20:31.10 | CuteAlien | thx, guys. Looks like the strange process is related to kdm (at least all open files are about that) |
| 20:31.11 | markybob | whatever. you just need console of some type |
| 20:31.13 | greycat | ctrl-alt-F2 during install gives you a shell. not sure what's installed in it. |
| 20:31.39 | greycat | Usually in my experience, whatever I need to use is not there. :( |
| 20:31.44 | lizzie | nikio_: if markybob's advice doesn't work, you can use your windows cd to repair windows boot, which will break linux boot, and then boot linux again and use the grub-install command |
| 20:31.55 | zln | what's the non-deprecated way to restart network. someone said that services network{ing?} restart was deprecated |
| 20:31.58 | nikio_ | markybob, is the grub shell good enough? |
| 20:32.10 | markybob | nikio_, honestly don't know |
| 20:33.07 | nikio_ | markybob, is it possible from within in debian? |
| 20:33.19 | markybob | nikio_, yep. that's your best option |
| 20:33.20 | lizzie | so does anyone have any idea what to do about the libc6 update that seems to require the 3.2.x kernel? |
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| 20:33.27 | greycat | Of course it's possible from within a full Debian boot. You have many, many tools that can alter a partition table in Debian. |
| 20:33.29 | nikio_ | ill do that |
| 20:33.41 | markybob | nikio_, "parted /dev/sdX set 2 boot on" as root. no quotes. |
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| 20:33.49 | nikio_ | sdX ? |
| 20:33.59 | greycat | substitute with your actual disk device |
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| 20:34.20 | sdx23 | nikio_: yes? |
| 20:34.30 | markybob | heh |
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| 20:35.15 | nikio_ | its supposed to be set on a small 200 mb partition used by windows |
| 20:35.19 | nikio_ | but fdisk doesnt show it |
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| 20:35.29 | greycat | Then use fdisk to set it. |
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| 20:35.44 | nikio_ | ? |
| 20:35.52 | greycat | Or parted. Or whatever. |
| 20:36.01 | markybob | use parted |
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| 20:36.27 | jelly | fdisk doesn't deal with gpt well |
| 20:36.49 | nikio_ | it doesnt list the partition |
| 20:37.07 | NoCode | What's a good music player that will work with Jessie/ Cinnamon? |
| 20:37.11 | blind | parted doesn't? or fdisk doesn't? |
| 20:37.17 | jelly | NoCode: clementine, maybe? |
| 20:37.19 | nikio_ | parted doesnt either |
| 20:37.27 | NoCode | Clementine is too old :P |
| 20:37.35 | nikio_ | https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/boot-error-windows#TOC-Step-3:-repair-Windows |
| 20:37.36 | jelly | too old to play music? |
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| 20:37.41 | nikio_ | its supposed to show that 200 mb partition |
| 20:37.56 | blind | yes. well more than just that but yes. |
| 20:38.02 | markybob | NoCode, music.google.com ? :P |
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| 20:38.25 | nikio_ | mayybe its not possible from debian it needs to be done at boot time? |
| 20:38.44 | greycat | nikio_: *what* doesn't show *what*? |
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| 20:38.54 | nikio_ | greycat, see the picture in the link |
| 20:38.55 | markybob | nikio_, does sudo parted /dev/sdX print show it? |
| 20:39.09 | greycat | Did YOU take a picture and post it somewhere? |
| 20:39.26 | greycat | I don't want to read some idiot's "how to windowz" link. |
| 20:39.29 | markybob | is confused |
| 20:40.09 | nikio_ | welll that pic shows what im supposed to see |
| 20:40.17 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:40.18 | johnny0 | nikio_: could try something like cgdisk if you need to flag the efi boot partition |
| 20:40.24 | nikio_ | but i only see two partitions the debian one and the big windows 7 one |
| 20:40.28 | nikio_ | but not a 200 mb windows 7 one |
| 20:40.44 | greycat | nikio_: Are you reading a guide for "how to fix an EFI multi-boot system" but you are actually NOT doing EFI? |
| 20:41.03 | markybob | nikio_, if you use gparted live. which you could do. but don't ask us how to do it in debian if that's your goal |
| 20:41.20 | markybob | nikio_, we told you how in debian. if you want to follow that guide, download gparted live |
| 20:41.31 | nikio_ | im doing it in debian |
| 20:41.41 | nikio_ | and as i said it doesnt show the 200 mb partition using parted |
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| 20:41.55 | markybob | nikio_, you never responded about my parted print command |
| 20:42.11 | markybob | nikio_, does "parted /dev/sdX" print show it? |
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| 20:42.14 | greycat | nikio_: pastebin the outputs of "parted -l" and "lsblk" on some TEXT (not image) paste site, e.g. http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 20:43.24 | markybob | nikio_, include print in the quotes. typo on my part |
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| 20:43.30 | osakaSys | Trying to get adb to work on my system and it won't detect any devices. I've tried running adb as root and that doesn't return any devices either |
| 20:43.41 | nikio__ | http://paste.debian.net/379659/ |
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| 20:43.55 | nikio_ | could markybob no such device |
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| 20:44.03 | greycat | nikio_: you have an msdos partition label, not gpt |
| 20:44.10 | markybob | nikio_, did you actually use X? |
| 20:44.15 | greycat | nikio_: so it's perfectly normal for you NOT to have an EFI partition |
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| 20:44.23 | osakaSys | the device doesn't have a label when it shows up in lsusb |
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| 20:44.32 | nikio_ | markybob, yes i did |
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| 20:44.53 | nikio_ | greycat, ok but i think the point is that im supposed to somethign so that the windows recovery tools see me windows OS |
| 20:45.01 | markybob | nikio_, like greycat said, you're supposed to substitute it with the actual device. not actually use X |
| 20:45.03 | nikio_ | and because im dual booting using grub it doesnt see it by default |
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| 20:46.24 | nikio_ | maybe i have to set the boot flag on the windows partition |
| 20:46.48 | greycat | nikio_: parted /dev/sda set 2 boot on |
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| 20:47.34 | nikio_ | greycat, it says i may need to update fstab |
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| 20:48.02 | greycat | nikio_: Don't worry about that. |
| 20:48.16 | nikio_ | ok ill restart and see if the windows recovery tools see my windows 7 now |
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| 20:51.31 | nikio_ | nope it doesnt see shit |
| 20:52.00 | nikio_ | and the windows people r clueless too |
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| 21:00.05 | DeaDSouL | Hi, I tried to upgrade my debian server from 7 to 8 ... but when i reboot it it says 'welcome to emergency mode!' |
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| 21:01.16 | DeaDSouL | http://workupload.com/file/IXKp4gas |
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| 21:03.12 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: take a look at your fstab, I guess |
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| 21:03.33 | greycat | log in and run "journalctl -xb" like it says, maybe? |
| 21:04.15 | teraflops | i bet is a share or a line in fstab that is wrong |
| 21:04.32 | greycat | The important thing is to find out what caused it to fail the normal boot. |
| 21:04.42 | RabotiC | hi |
| 21:06.21 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: here is my fstab: http://workupload.com/file/jdy9xX8Z |
| 21:06.32 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: it looked ok to me... what do you think ? |
| 21:07.17 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: well youre the one that have to check if the fstab is ok, I mean check uuids etc |
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| 21:10.26 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: uuid seemed ok too ... idk |
| 21:10.40 | greycat | DeaDSouL: what did you learn from journalctl? |
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| 21:12.06 | DeaDSouL | greycat: it says that EXT4-fs (md1): VFS can't find ext4 filesystem |
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| 21:12.46 | nikio_ | greycat, teraflops, http://superuser.com/a/808323 worked´ windows is now doing a chkdsk |
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| 21:13.29 | nikio_ | i did that in the cmd shell that the recover options after booting from a sd card show |
| 21:13.39 | nikio_ | ty |
| 21:13.55 | greycat | DeaDSouL: that looks like the OS probing done by update-grub... no idea why you'd see that during a boot. |
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| 21:21.25 | teraflops | nikio_: ah nice |
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| 21:22.33 | axk4545 | what type of debootstrap would I need to run virtualbox within? |
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| 21:22.57 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: then since the raid is somewhat failing youre droped into an emergency shell? |
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| 21:23.22 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: that what it says |
| 21:23.25 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: so it's a line in the fstab ... |
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| 21:31.20 | DeaDSouL | greycat, teraflops: systemd[1]: Failed to mount /media/raid/disk02. ......... systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Local File systems. ............ systemd[420]: Failed at step EXEC spawning /bin/plymouth: No such file or directory ...... those are all the errors i found from journalctl -xb |
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| 21:34.55 | greycat | DeaDSouL: is that a file system you actually NEED? Or is it some removable device...? |
| 21:35.19 | DeaDSouL | greycat: you mean the raid disks ? |
| 21:35.25 | DeaDSouL | greycat: no i don't |
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| 21:36.01 | greycat | If there is an optional/removable file system in /etc/fstab then you should comment it out for now, so you can boot without it. Then after booting, figure out how to mark it as optional (probably "noauto"). |
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| 21:36.48 | DeaDSouL | greycat: doing so now ... |
| 21:37.19 | DeaDSouL | greycat: it worked now |
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| 21:37.31 | greycat | so teraflops's guess was corredt |
| 21:37.36 | DeaDSouL | greycat: so, the problem was with the RAIDs ? |
| 21:37.40 | DeaDSouL | but why? |
| 21:37.55 | Stameni_ | hello, how do i "suspend" from a command line ? |
| 21:37.55 | greycat | You tell me. What is that device? |
| 21:38.11 | DeaDSouL | greycat: virtual disks |
| 21:38.41 | Stameni_ | suspend/hibernate |
| 21:38.51 | greycat | oh, laptop thing, not shell job control thing |
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| 21:40.42 | nucdak | linus torvalds is a fat piece of shit |
| 21:40.55 | nucdak | fuck that fat asshole |
| 21:40.58 | nucdak | he's a dick |
| 21:41.00 | nucdak | and a faggot |
| 21:41.08 | nucdak | i hope he dies a slow and painful death |
| 21:41.23 | artag | loltroll |
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| 21:41.29 | artag | you'll have to do better than that |
| 21:41.50 | Mousey | yea, really.. just sounds like your patch got rejected |
| 21:41.55 | teraflops | Mousey: heh |
| 21:41.57 | Mousey | try harder next time |
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| 21:43.41 | nucdak | i want to punch linus torvalds in the face |
| 21:43.48 | DeaDSouL | ok... before upgrading... i used to be able to ssh to the hostname ... now i can only use the ip-address.... |
| 21:43.55 | nucdak | i want to punch him in the gut so hard that he'll throw up all his fat |
| 21:43.58 | nucdak | fucking piece of shit |
| 21:44.13 | artag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:45.33 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: does it have the same ip address, do you do from inside the lan or outside? |
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| 21:46.47 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: my server hostname is 'debianserver' i used to ssh to it from my laptop `ssh user@debianserver.local` ... after upgrading i can only ssh to it by its ip not by its hostname |
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| 21:47.46 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: and how do you setup the addressing and dns' in that lan? |
| 21:47.55 | teraflops | dhcp + bind? |
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| 21:48.07 | Mousey | maybe dnsmasq? |
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| 21:48.18 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: it's the same ip as always? |
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| 21:48.25 | teraflops | has it* |
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| 21:48.30 | DeaDSouL | easy guys.. I'm not that guru :p |
| 21:48.44 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: heh |
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| 21:49.21 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: I do have a static ip |
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| 21:49.48 | teraflops | ah, and how do you do the name resolution? in your home router? |
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| 21:50.20 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: or you use avahi or something similar |
| 21:50.22 | teraflops | ? |
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| 21:51.01 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: yes, i saw avahi got removed in the upgrading process |
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| 21:51.42 | teraflops | ah |
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| 21:52.23 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: so, I should install the 'avahi-daemon' ... right? |
| 21:52.37 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: well if you want it I suppose so |
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| 21:52.54 | DeaDSouL | ok, i'll try it now |
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| 21:53.31 | DeaDSouL | teraflops: bingo... it does work now ;P |
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| 21:54.38 | axc1298 | just noticed that lxqt is in unstable. that's pretty cool that people will have a new DE to choose in debian 9 |
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| 21:57.21 | Stameni | hello, how to sleep/hibernate from the command line ? |
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| 21:59.45 | teraflops | DeaDSouL: np |
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| 22:01.42 | Stameni | Sudo pm-suspend |
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| 22:02.40 | leo-unglaub | hey friends, on my debian server opensmtpd segfaults. ther bugreport is here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813398 |
| 22:02.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/813398 in opensmtpd (open): «opensmtpd: segfaults when relaying email»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-02-01; last modified: 2016-02-06. |
| 22:02.54 | leo-unglaub | could someone please uploade the patch? |
| 22:03.04 | leo-unglaub | its already fixed in upstream :) |
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| 22:11.03 | deni__ | markybob: yeah yeah i know....I'm on the other channel anyway |
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| 22:11.22 | deni__ | not that much activity there though... I'd be happy to get any help on how to diagnose the issue |
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| 22:27.20 | markybob | DeaDSouL_, no. that's awful |
| 22:27.24 | markybob | DeaDSouL_, it will break things |
| 22:27.39 | Mousey | i find it easier |
| 22:27.41 | markybob | DeaDSouL_, no one here will tell you that's okay |
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| 22:27.51 | markybob | Mousey, well you're not the brightest |
| 22:27.58 | Mousey | i'd tell you, but i run frankendebian which is also not popular around here =P |
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| 22:28.09 | markybob | point made |
| 22:28.13 | Mousey | =P |
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| 22:28.44 | Mousey | makes an excellent, if unsupported (and morally repugnant), rolling release to have testing and stable in one's sources.list.. |
| 22:28.51 | DeaDSouL_ | markybob: thanks |
| 22:28.56 | Mousey | excuse me as i now dodge the pitchforks and firebrands of #debian |
| 22:29.06 | markybob | not excellent. it's terrible and a very simple way to break your box |
| 22:29.17 | Mousey | for many, perhaps |
| 22:29.28 | Mousey | and lord knows i'd never drag any issues i had with it in here |
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| 22:30.17 | poffs | is there any reason why I should not delete all the files in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 22:30.27 | Mousey | poffs: apt-get clean |
| 22:30.30 | Mousey | there's a command for taht |
| 22:30.32 | markybob | poffs, nope. that's what apt-get clean does |
| 22:30.39 | DiamondSword | hello #debian |
| 22:30.47 | Mousey | hello @DiamondSword |
| 22:30.53 | DiamondSword | today I installed Debian on VMware |
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| 22:31.01 | DiamondSword | but I don't like the performance |
| 22:31.11 | DiamondSword | It seems buggy to me |
| 22:31.13 | Mousey | throw tomatoes at the stage |
| 22:31.15 | deni__ | jesus f chris....after 10+ year I'm thinking about switching from debian |
| 22:31.28 | DiamondSword | is it because on VMware? |
| 22:31.29 | jhutchins | Mousey: We don't actually mind you running frankendebian, just as long as you don't demand support or recommend it to others. |
| 22:31.33 | markybob | DiamondSword, i don't either. i've found that virtualbox performs better here |
| 22:31.48 | Mousey | jhutchins: i know. i tried to be very disclaimery! |
| 22:32.02 | DiamondSword | markybob: I used wheezy, it was better than jessie I guess |
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| 22:33.20 | DiamondSword | my job is about Big Data, so I use massive programs, need more performance, more memory.. It's because I wanted to give a shot on linux but I'm dissappointed now |
| 22:33.45 | Mousey | linux, much like life, is what you make it |
| 22:33.58 | Mousey | if you give up before figuring it out.. well.. that happens. =) |
| 22:34.02 | r6ku | DiamondSword: hey, did you manage to install debian? |
| 22:34.10 | markybob | DiamondSword, i've been really happy with vsphere, which you should use if you're big data. not vmware workstation though |
| 22:34.18 | DiamondSword | my windows freezes all the time and now this debian looks like windows, frak .. I was planning to set Debian as my default OS |
| 22:34.50 | DiamondSword | r6ku: yes, I installed it on VMware first, I want to see at general before I install it along side Windows |
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| 22:34.56 | DiamondSword | it was pretty easy :) |
| 22:35.21 | r6ku | okay, cool |
| 22:36.08 | Mousey | DiamondSword: try to avoid using GNOME |
| 22:36.20 | DiamondSword | markybob: vsphere hmm .. do you think VMware vs VirtualBox won't make big difference as performance? |
| 22:36.22 | Mousey | if you want your GUI to be anything close to performant |
| 22:36.34 | DiamondSword | Mousey: uh?! |
| 22:36.40 | DiamondSword | eveybody advises with gnome |
| 22:36.44 | markybob | DiamondSword, it was better for me than vmware workstation. give it a shot |
| 22:36.44 | jhutchins | DiamondSword: We run hundreds of Linux servers on VMWare hosting thousands of web sites. |
| 22:36.47 | DiamondSword | which one do you prefer? |
| 22:36.58 | markybob | DiamondSword, gnome is awful for performance |
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| 22:37.08 | jhutchins | markybob: Oh, yeah, vbox is WAY better than workstation. |
| 22:37.09 | Mousey | GNOME is for human resources personnell |
| 22:37.10 | markybob | DiamondSword, try xfce. that's what i use |
| 22:37.16 | Mousey | I use LXDE for gaming |
| 22:37.19 | r6ku | same here, xfce all the way |
| 22:37.27 | lmw | openbox! |
| 22:37.29 | Mousey | XFCE for lower end hardware and VMs |
| 22:37.36 | DiamondSword | xfce? I a bit like KDE maybe :P |
| 22:37.38 | jhutchins | I really liked KDE 3.5. |
| 22:37.51 | Mousey | KDE is great for your workstation at work |
| 22:38.01 | Mousey | it's not for VMs or the weak of RAM |
| 22:38.06 | DiamondSword | but you say xfce is for performance? hmh |
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| 22:38.37 | lmw | Gnome 3.x makes me crying |
| 22:38.43 | DiamondSword | :D |
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| 22:39.10 | DiamondSword | I never thought it was because of desktop environment |
| 22:39.21 | DiamondSword | I'll search about it, ok |
| 22:39.27 | Mousey | there's only one windows desktop |
| 22:39.31 | Mousey | but there are very many linux desktops |
| 22:39.44 | Mousey | picking the right one for your VM means one that doesn't do compositing |
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| 22:40.13 | lmw | loves to trying out several DEs in virtual machines |
| 22:40.14 | DiamondSword | a general question .. do I need a fresh install for a different desktop environment or can I change it without a new install? |
| 22:40.26 | Mousey | nope, it's just a different set of packages to install |
| 22:40.27 | lmw | You can change it |
| 22:40.36 | Mousey | yah, apt-get install xfce4 |
| 22:40.37 | somiaj | DiamondSword: you can install them side by side (for the most part they should live side by side) |
| 22:40.38 | FeignInt_ | DiamondSword: you can haave all the desktops installed at once if you want |
| 22:40.48 | lmw | In the login screen, you have a drop down button to select your desired DE |
| 22:40.54 | DiamondSword | wowww |
| 22:41.08 | DiamondSword | ok |
| 22:41.14 | DiamondSword | let me google it |
| 22:41.16 | Mousey | DiamondSword: there's an appstore-like graphical program called synaptic, you can find all the softwares in there |
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| 22:41.26 | DiamondSword | thank you all |
| 22:41.35 | FeignInt_ | DiamondSword: and hardware permiting I think you can run multiple desktops on multiple X screens |
| 22:41.45 | Mousey | FeignInt_: crazy talk! |
| 22:42.22 | Mousey | DiamondSword: in the end, try to avoid running GUIs on servers, (much like you've experienced) they're just a waste of resources if you're not sitting in front of the box |
| 22:42.43 | DiamondSword | ok Mousey |
| 22:42.46 | lmw | Mousey: not only that, one rule: more packages == more security risks |
| 22:42.52 | DiamondSword | for now I just started linux seriously |
| 22:43.20 | Mousey | DiamondSword: well that's awesome. The only barrier you have in front of you now, is you! :D |
| 22:44.01 | Mousey | Linux won't make you recertify when a new version comes out, so enjoy learning everything you can now, since it'll be useful still years from now.. =) |
| 22:44.29 | DiamondSword | thank you :) |
| 22:44.42 | Mousey | (unless Pottering has his way, muahahahahha) |
| 22:44.50 | lmw | DiamondSword: If you need help, you know where you can find us :P |
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| 22:51.53 | Iridos | Mousey, there's that |
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| 22:52.29 | Muligan| | has anybody p2v advice for an older variety of *nix hosts? |
| 22:52.42 | Mousey | dd? |
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| 22:53.02 | Muligan| | isn't that what vmware converter uses? |
| 22:53.26 | markybob | Muligan| yes |
| 22:54.13 | Muligan| | i keep running into the issue with the customization vmware converter performs |
| 22:54.27 | FeignInt | {g}ddrescue gives better feedback than dd ;) |
| 22:54.28 | Muligan| | i've had to rebuild the bootloaders on a few machines |
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| 22:54.45 | markybob | Muligan|, call vmware. really. i have. their tech support is great |
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| 22:55.29 | Muligan| | even with old aging OS's that aren't in the HCL? |
| 22:55.35 | Muligan| | erm, would it be HCL? |
| 22:56.01 | markybob | Muligan|, in my experience they bend over backwards to help |
| 22:56.28 | Muligan| | i wonder what kind of support i've with essentials plus |
| 22:57.13 | Muligan| | unlimited, nice |
| 22:57.25 | Muligan| | i've standard support, that works for me |
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| 22:58.12 | deni__ | if mouse and keyboard aren't working what package should I revert to and older version? |
| 22:58.19 | deni__ | any help is appreciated |
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| 23:16.28 | DiamondSword | ok |
| 23:16.35 | deni__ | anyway if I select gnome-on-wayland it works fine |
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| 23:16.46 | DiamondSword | is there any tutorial how to install xfce while using gnome? |
| 23:16.47 | deni__ | if i select normaln gnome on login it doesn't work |
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| 23:17.18 | somiaj | DiamondSword: the debian wiki will have instructions on how in install xfce. Just follow those. Having gnome installed while you do so will have no effect on the process. |
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| 23:17.49 | DiamondSword | okay |
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| 23:19.12 | lmw | for lazy peoples like me ... :D |
| 23:19.14 | lmw | DiamondSword: https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 23:19.43 | DiamondSword | oh thanks lmw :D |
| 23:20.58 | DiamondSword | apt-get install xfce4 and next login I have xfce? |
| 23:21.18 | lmw | Read the installation steps on the link I've posted you |
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| 23:24.05 | DiamondSword | ok thank you |
| 23:24.09 | DiamondSword | I'll be back later |
| 23:24.11 | DiamondSword | .) |
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| 23:30.26 | zeeble | hey. need some help with vlc on debian. i have this mp4 that plays fine with mpv, but not in vlc. can hear audio in vlc but no video. any idea what else i need to install for the video to work? |
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| 23:30.57 | markybob | zeeble, i have seen this on testing. is that what you're using? |
| 23:31.13 | Finetundra | Hey folks, is there an alternative to ssh that is similarly secure? |
| 23:31.14 | zeeble | markybob: yes |
| 23:31.19 | markybob | zeeble, per /topic that's on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:31.27 | aZz7eCh | Q: i've been keeping my debian install regularly backed up under the belief that if i ever needed to restore my system, i could just copy back all the folders. ie... alllll my programs/gnome settings/ everything.. i thought. having screwed my system last night - i've been trying to restore/copy back, all the system folders, however, my home folder seems to be all i have permission to copy or write :/ |
| 23:31.28 | r6ku | zeeble: last that time that happened to me is when I updated my drivers, reboot? |
| 23:31.37 | zeeble | markybob: ok |
| 23:31.53 | zeeble | r6ku: reboot? :| oh well, will do that later. for now, will just go with mpv :) |
| 23:32.04 | markybob | zeeble, reboot didn't help me |
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| 23:32.16 | aZz7eCh | Q: being* ... is this impossible? can i not just copy my programs back like i can my home folder ? |
| 23:32.21 | deni__ | if I do an upgrade and disregard the changelog that what presented to me (by pressing Q and moving forward with the upgrade). How do I see that text again after the upgrade has finished? |
| 23:32.33 | zeeble | markybob: mpv works.. so i'll just try to learn the keyboard shortcuts for mpv as well |
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| 23:35.21 | deni__ | I know how to check the changelog for a specific package but I'm not sure which package this was |
| 23:35.34 | deni__ | so i wan't to show the all the last notification from ugprade that i got |
| 23:36.25 | markybob | deni__, there is no command for that |
| 23:37.20 | deni__ | markybob: is what I saw during the upgrade even a changelog or some special announcement? cause I don't see a changelog for every package just if it's something super important |
| 23:37.36 | deni__ | I don't know the term for it other than changelog which obviously doesn't quite fit |
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| 23:38.09 | markybob | deni__, it's a changelog. not for every package but just for serious things. you should read it. |
| 23:38.46 | deni__ | markybob: and I usually do...but this time i didn't....trying to figure how to get that message again so I can infact read it |
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| 23:45.33 | deni__ | markybob: I just searched through /var/log/apt and did package by package.... anyway the issue is resolved in #debian-next....a few packages got uploaded delayed |
| 23:45.39 | deni__ | installing them fixed the issue |
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| 23:46.11 | markybob | deni__, didn't i tell you to go to #debian-next hours ago? |
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| 23:51.54 | figlfdev | just fyi... /join debian-next brings you here |
| 23:52.00 | figlfdev | i suppose thats the joke? |
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| 23:52.31 | markybob | figlfdev, no. and #debian-next is on a different network. irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:52.44 | zerodrama | kde-full and kde-standard 90 cannot be installed |
| 23:52.53 | figlfdev | ahh, thats what it is then |
| 23:53.03 | figlfdev | tips hat |
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| 23:53.12 | zerodrama | a bunch of packages depend on libkabc4 and others which breaks/conflicts with recent libkdepimlibs-data |
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| 23:54.42 | kireevco | I'm new to preseed. can't grasp the concept of partman priorities. I'm struggling on a very simple partition lvm on /md0, whith /,/boot, swap on it. here's the config: |
| 23:54.45 | kireevco | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lCaNSn84/ |
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| 23:55.41 | zeeble | damn, i should have disregarded the probable fake ebury ssl backdoor warning from chkrootkit and stuck with my old install. setting everything up the way i want is going to take time |
| 23:56.11 | deni__ | markybob: I was there all the time :D but just now someone showed up |
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